#141 - Duncan Trussell

[0] So this is what's going on, folks.

[1] We're sitting here waiting for Graham Hancock to get here.

[2] He was doing some sort of a seminar in Orange County.

[3] And so that's like at least an hour away.

[4] So Duncan and I, instead of just sitting here staring at each other, decided to stare at each other online.

[5] So that's the basic motivation for this podcast.

[6] Yep.

[7] I ended up getting out here is crazy, man. I ended up in some...

[8] My GPS took me in a bad direction this time.

[9] Like, you're out in the middle of nowhere, man. I ended up in a place that was like the surface of the moon.

[10] I don't know where the fuck it was.

[11] Spooky.

[12] It was spooky.

[13] Like, I could have gone off a cliff and no one would have found me for a week.

[14] You'd be fine, dude.

[15] Don't worry about it.

[16] You're tweaking.

[17] Stop your tweaking, son.

[18] I'm tweaking, bro.

[19] Are you scared of nature?

[20] Terror.

[21] No, I'm not scared of nature.

[22] but I am scared at night when I'm when you're going around like winding curves through meth country I'm not exactly like I'm not exactly comfortable with those curleysly lives out there uh there's a lot of people live out there yeah but my window space they like to be away from each other I like space why do people assume that it is a strange thing why people assume that when someone wants to be away that they want they want some space between you and there's something creepy about them all they're out there fucking cooking meth and you know You automatically assume, why is that cabin by itself with that chimney blowing smoke?

[23] What the fuck are they cooking in there?

[24] Yeah.

[25] You know, you don't look at it and go, look at that guy, he's out there, just doing it, by himself, chopping wood.

[26] No, you assume automatically there's some creepy thing is going on out there if he's by himself.

[27] When traditionally the creepy people are the ones who live underneath you in your apartment.

[28] Those are the real creeps are.

[29] The ones who are masturbating to your footsteps.

[30] I have a footstep fetish.

[31] Oh, yeah.

[32] there was a documentary you know that VBS .tv you know the website they I wouldn't call it a documentary I guess I'd call it an episode where they went and they went and visited this guy who lives in like northern eastern Alaska he lives like way the fuck up there they have to drop him off supplies and he lives in this little tiny shack and he's like one of the few people that's allowed to live there and he's been there for like 20 years this dude never even saw nine 11.

[33] He never saw the towers go down.

[34] He'd like heard something had happened.

[35] He's so removed from everything.

[36] He's got like a little generator that sometimes he powers up a TV and he's got movies that they watch.

[37] But dude this guy's living in the woods in a tiny one room house with his wife who looks like some sort of an Eskimo type of woman and they're fucking happy shit up there.

[38] He says that hunting and gathering is like what keeps you happy and that's what keeps him happy.

[39] out there shooting caribou and following them i mean this fucking dude loves it he loves living up there it sounds great he had to shoot a bear on one of the episodes because the bear had came too close to his house and the bear bears killed their dogs and shit so it's the middle of the night they're running after this guy with a camera and he's running through the woods with a fucking shotgun and jop boom he's just blowing holes into this fucking bear and chasing it down while they're all chasing after him with cameras in the middle of the night in the woods in alaska dude it's gnarly it's it's it's a it's amazing footage too it's a it's such an interesting insight to someone who would choose to live that life you know which seems so horrifying to us but to him like our life is just fucking mundane there's nothing to it and he just can't get excited about it i don't think it's horrifying i i think it sounds amazing i mean there's something about being self -sufficient that seems like it would feel so incredibly good to be completely off the grid and know that if everything fell apart, your life would barely shift at all.

[40] Yeah, that's interesting, right?

[41] But that's like, is that like instincts to not join the system?

[42] I mean, is that what that is?

[43] Is that some sort of a resistance of the hive, you know, that would feel good to not need all these people?

[44] You know, isn't that ridiculous?

[45] Because the reason why everything is so awesome, the reason why society in general is so awesome is because millions of people contributed to make this one colossal thing that relies on millions of people.

[46] but it but because all these other people are involved it's fucking awesome right amazing it's got some terrible parts about it too but the idea itself and what can be accomplished with it is fucking amazing so why do we want to not need that why do we want do we want to keep the option open to be a cunt so you can just fucking fuck off i'm just gonna go live off caribou in the middle of nowhere well that's the that's like the argument you know like people have that argument against monks like when someone goes and becomes a monk it's the same same argument.

[47] It's like, what are you doing?

[48] You're ignoring all of society to go and be a monk.

[49] Isn't it better to be in the world than it is to go and isolate yourself?

[50] How if you do go and isolate yourself or you, so what?

[51] Whatever you learn, you're still, it's not applicable to people in the world.

[52] But some monks, I don't think they give a shit.

[53] You know, some people, they just don't care.

[54] They're, they're not concerned with the society.

[55] They don't, it doesn't make any difference to them whether they're contributing or not.

[56] Like, who cares?

[57] Yeah, I hear you, man. I know what you're saying.

[58] I've had that thought in my head about monks.

[59] You know, like, well, what kind of a loser?

[60] Just wears a fucking orange robe and never beats off and just hides and chants all day.

[61] Right.

[62] Like, dude, you're missing out on muscle cars, blow jobs, great movies, weed, cookies.

[63] You know, you're missing out on killer restaurants.

[64] You're missing out on shit talking.

[65] And the monks, like, you're missing out on astral projection.

[66] You can't send your spirit to the higher dimension.

[67] planes to communicate with the supreme gods or third eye is sealed shut you have no idea about the what it feels like to be completely in tune vibrating with the harmony of the universe you're just you're just humping so you're just leg humping down there in the city while i'm floating around through the eternal paradise uh outside of time and space and like a pure transcendent bliss do you think there's a monk who could talk that good shit if there's a monk who can talk like that and say things like that that guy should like be doing tours you know it would recruit monks like left and right you could change the world if a guy could speak that way about being a monk yeah well they they i think what theoretically what may happen is that as you uh evolve and begin to like open your chakras up and this is purely theoretical but i think that you begin to extinguish the desire to tour you extinguish the desire to do to perform you don't want to do that anymore you're just kind of in another place altogether right you've zoomed out it's like google maps you've zoomed so far out that you see you're saying that the more you would go down the road of meditation the less you would want to do stand -up comedy are you saying that is that what you mean by tour yeah well no yeah i mean like the show like the exhibitionism you know like the the You were saying somebody you talk like that should tour and talk to people.

[68] I'm saying someone who talks like that, you know, and it's all a theoretical idea, but, you know, the assumption when someone becomes a renunciate, I think, is that they're not, they're not experiencing happiness.

[69] Right, right.

[70] When it may be the thing that they're experiencing is a million times better than what they were experiencing in the world.

[71] Well, I know for a fact that I have achieved at least bizarre states of consciousness just from yoga.

[72] I remember one time I was in New York and I was real nervous.

[73] I had to do the Howard Stern Show the next day.

[74] It was the first time I ever did it.

[75] I was genuinely nervous and I couldn't sleep.

[76] So I was in my hotel room reading off of this ancient yoga book and doing these poses.

[77] And I did yoga for like an hour and a half.

[78] And at the end of it, I felt fucking great.

[79] I mean, I didn't just feel great.

[80] I felt high.

[81] I felt tingly.

[82] My body was like, I felt tingles, like a glowing tingle.

[83] I mean, I did this intense yoga routine for an hour and a half.

[84] And when it was over, my body had just stretched everything out, released all the tension, opened up all the, whatever the fuck it is.

[85] You want to call it chakras.

[86] You want to call it senses.

[87] You want to call it, you know, your, whatever, your ability.

[88] to tune in to what's around you was all that was just cranked to 10 I was like wow if this was a drug if this feeling like an intense yoga workout you know you can feel very much like a real mild pot you know yeah like woo like nothing nothing that's going to make you fucking drive shitty or forget your keys but something that's going to make you just a little just a wow I feel a little better right I feel a little more relaxed I feel a little sensitive I feel good yeah well that's a you know that can put that's I felt that too from yoga and I felt that from chanting and I felt that from any kind of ritualistic thing that has you know spiritual undertones to it which I think yoga does you got deep into chanting right didn't you you got at one point in time you were you know you you like you can chant out that fucking crazy I got deep into it what is that thing that you busted out on the podcast that thing is that that's a harry Krishna prayer that's a prayer that you read before, that you say before you're going to read the Bhagavad Gita and it means...

[89] The Hari Christians, read the Bhagavad Gita?

[90] Oh, yeah.

[91] It's their primary text.

[92] That and the Shreemad Bhagavatam.

[93] Whoa.

[94] But the, yeah, you say that prayer and they have a bunch of other texts too.

[95] I mean, they're really, that's how they spend most of their time, is studying the Vedas.

[96] I know almost nothing about the Hari Christians.

[97] All I know that when I was a kid, people made fun of the Harry Christians.

[98] It was like a stock joke, you know.

[99] Oh, sure.

[100] Oh, and in movies, too, an airplane and so many movies they get made fun of because they would go and hang out of the airports.

[101] And they're these guys in saffron robes with shaved heads.

[102] Right.

[103] So it was like...

[104] They were trying to sell books, right?

[105] Yeah, they try to sell books.

[106] And so there's a lot of reasons that they did get made fun of.

[107] And it was like, for me, what happened to me was...

[108] Well, there's also a bunch of legal cases, too, right?

[109] Weren't there, like real cult -like scenarios of men?

[110] Oh, yeah.

[111] It's organized religion, man. and it's hardcore organized religion, that recommends, you know, renouncing the world.

[112] Like, it doesn't tiptoe around the fact, like, it's hardcore into the idea that the way to live, if you really want to be happy, is to let go of all the things of the world and start chanting the Hari Krishna Mahamantra.

[113] And that the, but it's very important to realize that that mantra is not owned by Iskhani, which is the Hari Krishna.

[114] That's like the Catholic Church for this sect of Hinduism, which is known as Bhakti Yoga.

[115] So there's a lot of different schools of thought in it, and it's a very deep philosophy that has its roots and the idea that there is, that God, everything comes from God.

[116] And so the word Krishna means, translates into the reservoir of all pleasure.

[117] So the idea is like all pleasure, all opulence, all happiness, everything springs from some source, like the Big Bang except the spiritual Big Bang.

[118] And they believe that this is an intelligent force in the universe that has specific qualities.

[119] And so people are kind of born with this case of amnesia where they've forgotten that this even exists.

[120] And so they begin to become attracted to these qualities and different things.

[121] So people are attracted to beauty, people are attracted to intelligence, people are attracted to wealth, people are attracted to strength.

[122] But they say that these are just the sort of the, what people are seeing is the qualities of the supreme being reflected through the material universe, and that's what people are attracted to.

[123] And so by the specific process of Bhakti Yoga, you begin to turn your senses back towards the original source of all this stuff through this very, very, very.

[124] very strict discipline of chanting, not eating meat.

[125] They recommend the monks that wear the robes.

[126] It's called the four regulative principles.

[127] So you don't eat meat.

[128] You don't use any intoxicants, no sex, and no gambling.

[129] You wake up at four every morning, four -thirty -every morning.

[130] You chant, I think, 16 rounds of this mantra, Harry, Krishna, Krishna, Krishna, And you study and you live in a temple and that's how you spend your life.

[131] And that's like a...

[132] And you're studying the Bhagavad Gita.

[133] You're studying the Vedas, the Bhagavad Gita and the Shrema Bhagavadam and all these other religious texts.

[134] And you get deep, deep, deep into it to the point where you complete...

[135] I mean, they recommend, as I recall, it's like even your family is just...

[136] just a, is your karma, your fan, like your attachment to your family.

[137] It's just your karma.

[138] It's like let go of all those attachments, surrender to this higher force, and then you'll experience transcendent happiness.

[139] And the ultimate goal in life is to try to connect with God.

[140] That's the only reason to be alive.

[141] And if you're not engaged in that activity, then you're miserable.

[142] Then you're not really experiencing the type of happiness.

[143] And even if you think you're experiencing happiness it's nothing compared to what you can obtain from uh living like a spiritual life and chanting this mantra and what happened to me but this is you're not saying this is your opinion you're saying this is what they know that's let you know it's a summary of of it's not my opinion but i what happened to me you're saying it like almost like in the first person like oh yeah that i mean yeah i'm just explaining it i mean i don't really believe that though right no i mean i'm a comedian i was like just smoking in front of how of blues drunk I'm not like right but have you ever considered that maybe that would be a path that you would you would get so interested in it because you are interested in all those principles you are interested in well yeah I'll tell your consciousness and truth have you ever thought about doing something like joining the monster well what happened was when I got into the heart when I got into the Harry Christians what happened to me was um because you know you have an if you have an experience you've had an experience there's no way around it if you have an experience, you have to accept that the experience happened, and you have to tell the truth about the experience, one way or the other.

[144] So for me to not talk about that part of my life or to pretend that I had a conversion experience where I was in this temple on Jamostomy, which is what they call the appearance date of Krishna.

[145] It's like Christmas, basically.

[146] And what I was, what had just happened before that is I someone had gotten me really high like really stoned so I was sitting in the temple and they're like ringing bells and they have these like deities that they worship and they're pouring this uh I believe they pour like milk on the deities and it's like there's just it's all your senses are being uh overwhelmed they're burning incense they've got like flowers everywhere so the whole place is garlands of flowers so it's just the smell of flowers and incense and monks, you know, like the guys with the shaved heads and the necklaces that they wear and like bells ringing.

[147] So your senses are completely overcome.

[148] And I've never had this experience before or since, but I was looking at these symbols.

[149] And all of a sudden the symbols, it felt like I was seeing past the symbols into something deeper than what those symbols were.

[150] The symbols were just a human's attempt to try to embody this greater thing that exists in the universe and all of a sudden I felt the only way I can explain it is it felt like I was sounds so crazy felt like I was on a spaceship I thought oh this is like this is what an advanced intelligence is like this felt it felt like I was looking at something that was a billion times smarter than I was and that it was being somehow tuned into in this ritual that if you were outside the ritual, it would just look like a lot of pump and maybe some brainwash people, you know, going through the motions of something.

[151] But in the inside of it, it felt like this incredible blast of super intelligence.

[152] And that happened to me. And like it changed me for my, for the rest of my life, I'll be changed because of that.

[153] Like, I'll never be the same after that.

[154] What do you think it was?

[155] Do you think it was a combination of anxiety because all these people are there and do you do what you said you were high yes what were you high on marijuana did you eat it or smoke it smoked it what do you think it was what do you mean what do you attribute I mean that's a pretty crazy experience you're talking about well I mean what I think that uh what it was the chant yes the chant I mean if you chant the thing about Harry Krishna is you don't have to be a um Harry Krishna to chant Harry Krishna to chant Harry Krishna And that's the thing that they always said.

[156] It's the thing that Prabapad, the founder of the Arik Krishna, said, is just chant it.

[157] You have nothing to lose.

[158] What the fuck does it do?

[159] You're saying this specific synchronized series of sound.

[160] This chant has an effect that actually puts you in a psychedelic state?

[161] Oh, yeah, absolutely.

[162] That's why all the hippies loved it, man. Whoa.

[163] Yeah, totally.

[164] Think of yoga.

[165] Yoga is specific movements that you do.

[166] do that if you do these movements you go into like what you said this mild psychedelic state well that's just one form of you know that's hatha yoga or whatever particular type of yoga you were doing but in the same way these mantras that they have um induce a very specific experience that um if you do it enough you will it'll light the only way to explain it is it will your mood will lighten you will um the heavy you know that heaviness man i mean i there's a heaviness that people get that i get and if i'm deeply in this state that it's what i consider like the road rage state you know what i mean where i'm likely to scream at a car cutting me off or something like if you chant harry krishna or any of the other there's a lot of other mantras out there uh then and you do it regularly just for a week then you will experience a change in your consciousness um early how is that how are you attributing that.

[167] What could possibly be, I mean, from a scientific standpoint?

[168] Let's look at the scientific.

[169] Let's look at what a scientist might say.

[170] I think a scientist would say, well, it's a placebo effect.

[171] You know, you could decide to chant any mantra.

[172] You could make anything up.

[173] You could chant rum -de -do, de -do, de -do, if you wanted to, and do that enough times.

[174] If you believe it's going to, the intention creates the change.

[175] That would be the scientific explanation of it.

[176] The religious explanation of it is that what you, you're going to, you you're doing is create, you're tuning yourself in to a specific, you're tuning your neurology.

[177] And when you're chanting, you're addressing the language center of your brain.

[178] You're focusing in on the specific pattern.

[179] Hara, Hary, Krishna, Krishna, Krishna, Krishna, Hara yada yada, Rama, Hara.

[180] And you do it a certain way to.

[181] Do it how you do it.

[182] Hary, Krishna, Hary, Krishna, Krishna, Kishna, Yada, yada.

[183] That's how you would do it.

[184] This is how I chant.

[185] If I'm alone by myself.

[186] If I'm alone by myself and chanting, I chant fast.

[187] So it's like, Like, what Ram Dass talked about this and said that it's like kind of the way you chant is just an indication of the way you chant is just an indication of the where you are in life.

[188] You know, like so if I'm more relaxed, the chanting will slow down, but because of like, because of just the way I am, like I end up chanting fast.

[189] And I'll try to slow myself down.

[190] But it just ends up going fast again.

[191] But if you look at, I mean, I just was watching a video of Prabapod chanting and he chants relatively fast.

[192] So it creates this sound.

[193] Like, here, listen.

[194] It creates this weird, trippy sound, especially when you're, if you're...

[195] Do it, do like your for real intentions.

[196] How do you get shanigis, niggas, niggas, niggas, niggas, niggas, niggas, niggas, niggas, niggas, niggas, niggas, niggas, niggas, niggas, niggas, niggas, niggas.

[197] You're easily the weirdest young baby.

[198] The fact you bust that out like that.

[199] That's awesome.

[200] That's the chant.

[201] But what's cool about it is if you listen to the chant, it has the oom in it.

[202] Oh, rachan, I gushan, gish, na gush, gishna guson.

[203] And some people will just chant the om.

[204] Or some people will just chant rom.

[205] That's another chant.

[206] Rom, rom, rom, rom, rom, rom, rom.

[207] All of these are, no matter what you think, and I know people are going to think I'm a, you know, a new age freak or whatever.

[208] But I'm not.

[209] I'm just telling the truth.

[210] It's helped me immensely in my life I don't think anyone should do anything more than what they're comfortable with But if you're having a bad trip If you're freaking out in your life But if you're especially if you're having a shitty trip And you start chanting Hareda Krishna You will feel better Every time man If you could remember how it goes If you're really blitzkrieged out of your mind Talking to the lucky charms guy In the top of the world You're not going to remember Christian tank, Krishna, grish d 'arm, brum, brum.

[211] When I just do the om.

[212] When I get super baked and get in the tank, I om.

[213] Yeah.

[214] Because when you're in the tank, you know, first of all, it's a, mine is very tall.

[215] It's like seven feet tall.

[216] And there's a sound when your ears are underwater that's really bizarre, man. When you make a body noise, like a hum, hum, and that'll be all my breaths.

[217] Every breath is just that hum, and it's echoing.

[218] so as i'm taking in my inhale i'm still hearing the exhale echo and then home and i can i get i get deep yeah i go deep into crazy train town crazy trains yeah woods yeah the woods of the universe well well that's the uh that sound is considered the original um sound vibration of the universe that's the sound that all things emerge from that's like the basic primordial sound Oh Why?

[219] Why?

[220] I mean, if it was a Big Bang, do you think it went ohm?

[221] Or do you think it went ba fucking boom?

[222] By the way, what a shitty theory that is.

[223] The Big Bang is the shittiest theory ever.

[224] And I'm not a scientist, and I'm clearly I'm retarded.

[225] And I know that there's some evidence, supposedly, that some big explosion happened 14 billion years.

[226] But they have no idea why everything was smaller than the head of a pin.

[227] what are you talking about so wait a minute everything was smaller than the head of the pin why was it small on the head we don't know we don't know but we do believe that there was an infant point where the whole universe was small than the head of a pin they don't even know why it's the weirdest fucking conversation ever that's like someone said it best it might have been mechanic i think terence mckenna said um it's as if they're asking you just believe in magic only once right right yeah we know that Just believe in magic only ones.

[228] They've recently figured out a way to get subatomic particles to move faster in light.

[229] So that's what they believe they've accomplished now.

[230] So that break, it was just really a week ago, the scientists were saying time travel is impossible because the speed of light cannot be surpassed.

[231] And then, like a couple weeks later, these guys say they got subatomic particles to move faster and light.

[232] Time travels open again.

[233] So that's the implication.

[234] Yeah, time travel is the big implication because once they figure out how to actually make And it would require an immense amount of power.

[235] But just think about what powers your cell phone today and what was like to have those Apollo 11 computers when they filled entire rooms.

[236] And they weren't nearly as powerful as your cell phone.

[237] Right.

[238] And your cell phone not even plugged in anything.

[239] It's in your fucking pocket.

[240] Can you explain what that?

[241] Maybe you can, because I don't understand it.

[242] They blasted some neutrinos or something.

[243] And the neutrinos were they reached where they were supposed to reach a few milliseconds before they should have reached it or something?

[244] That's a huge question.

[245] So let's look it up on Google because I'm not the person to answer this.

[246] And also I don't think they've totally confirmed it yet.

[247] I think a lot of people are still saying that there's a high likelihood for some kind of error in the experiment.

[248] Of course.

[249] And well, everybody's going to say that anyway when something's that crazy.

[250] You know, when someone says, oh, I figured out time travel, bitch, didn't figure out, let me see your papers.

[251] You didn't figure out time travel.

[252] You didn't figure out time travel.

[253] Yeah, I was thinking about time travel.

[254] if there really was a time traveler, then they could follow somebody by walking in front of them.

[255] Wow.

[256] That's, uh, yeah.

[257] Because you would know where they were going already so you could walk in front of them on whatever.

[258] You'd have to have like a really fucking detailed list of all the shit that's already gone down.

[259] You'd have to see it.

[260] You'd have to send a time probe back first to like watch the...

[261] And watch the whole world?

[262] Observe whoever you wanted to study.

[263] You'd run out of time.

[264] You'd die.

[265] You'd die of old age.

[266] No, if you wanted...

[267] you could send you could like it you know if you wanted to observe like thomas jefferson or something right would you be incredible yeah right to get real video the founding fathers who would you go to if you had if you had a just an open ticket back in time clearly the first person i visit is jesus no hold on jesus or buddh jesus or buddh that's a tough choice i think i i'd no the first human i want to visit the first human i guess the first human you'd want to see cavemen on the field yeah i think that if i mean if i had a bunch of chances that's the first thing i'd like to see then i'd move up to buddha and then um i don't know all right here's it here's what it is the research clearly shows that when a total of 15 000 beams of neutrinos were fired the tiny particles traveled the 730 kilometer 2 .43 millisecond trip roughly 60 million second trip roughly 60 nanoseconds faster than light wow that's fast than light that's that's just that's period that's not they think so that's it yeah that's it yeah by saying that this is CERN that's putting this out so that's it so if you don't know who CERN is folks CERN look it up it's the people that are responsible for the large Hadron Collider which is the the craziest scientific experiment ever that's going on right now I believe it's in Switzerland right Sweden one of those fucking incredible gigantic particle collider that is supposed to uncover this thing called the Higgs -Bosson particle which they call, or excuse me, Bosen, people have corrected me on Twitter.

[268] My apologies, Bosen.

[269] The God particle.

[270] Yeah, but now they're saying that it's 95 % sure that it doesn't exist.

[271] Fuck.

[272] Too bad.

[273] You know, you imagine that?

[274] They built this gigantic fucking billion dollars when they're obviously finding out a bunch of other shit.

[275] Well, yeah, I'll take time traveler or some stupid particle.

[276] Well, who knows what that particle means?

[277] they did create that cork glue on plasma shit that's i believe it's one sugar cube is like 400 billion pounds or something fucking crazy that that's what it weighs and they created some incredibly negligible amount you know some tiny small amount yeah don't want a lot of that shit laying around did you imagine if they made like a marble size chunk of it it just drop through the earth just shot right into the water and core like water the earth like water the earth just be like a big droplet of water I wonder how much weight it would take for that to happen like for sure if you had a bowling ball full of this quark gluon plasma shit that shit would just go right through the earth a bowling ball would have to be some insane amount of weight yeah it would be yeah I don't know what the weight would be someone should I don't know try wrapping your head around something that's that dense think about like a fat person you look at like think about Fat James from the condo store.

[278] Remember Fat James?

[279] Love Fat James.

[280] Great guy.

[281] Calls himself Fat James, folks.

[282] Yes.

[283] It's his nickname.

[284] It's Fat James who calls you up.

[285] Hey, it's Fat James.

[286] You think about him as a human.

[287] He's not a tall fellow, but he's fairly heavy.

[288] And you look at him and go, wow, that's a lot of weight right there.

[289] That's a lot of weight.

[290] Now, think about if he was a quark -gluon plasma.

[291] You know what I'm saying?

[292] I mean, if you even wrap your head around that?

[293] Yeah.

[294] If a sugar cube is $40 billion or $400 ,000.

[295] billion fucking pounds, whatever the hell it is, whatever insane.

[296] When you say 40 billion or 400 billion, I know that there's a big difference in those two numbers, but to me, none of them even register.

[297] I'm just making noises with my mouth.

[298] I don't know what 40 billion means or 400 billion means.

[299] That to me is like, it's too abstract.

[300] It's too big.

[301] I'm not assimilating that, you know?

[302] But to think of a fat James made out of this stuff, you can't even, like, how is that even possible that there could be two types of matter that are both some, they're so far different from each other, that they could be the same size and one of them would be literally the weight of the fucking earth?

[303] Probably not that much.

[304] Yeah, it's insane to think about that and it's insane to think that these people are down there tinkering around under Switzerland trying to make this shit.

[305] That's what's creepy.

[306] Well, they make only little tiny amounts of it.

[307] They've got a great sense of humor about it.

[308] They dress up like the Half -Life dudes and they've like taped pictures of them pretending to be the characters in Half -Life.

[309] Because if you don't know, the video game, Half -Life was all about.

[310] scientists cracking a hole in the universe and aliens come over fuck everybody up awesome game what an awesome game that is but dude i like to think about uh one thing i like to think about is the large hadron collider accident like what it would look like and like the way i see it it goes like this you're you're on the internet you look on wherever you go CNN and it says fire large hadron collider that's the first thing you see and you're like oh that sucks now it doesn't there was an explosion underground that's it then like five minutes later, it's like, this fire is spreading like no fire we've ever seen before.

[311] Like the fire is just all of a sudden just racing through Switzerland.

[312] No one understands why it's spreading that faster.

[313] I'm like, what the fuck?

[314] And then the next thing you think is, what's that?

[315] You're just gone.

[316] Because this fucking energy beam is shot around the planet in like a millisecond and just wiped everything out.

[317] That's how I know I've eaten too much pot.

[318] Because inevitably my mind will start going to the large, I'll start getting nervous about the large Hadron Collider.

[319] Have you eaten too much pot today?

[320] No. You're okay?

[321] Totally fine.

[322] You're totally fine.

[323] How much of that cookies do you take?

[324] Just a crumb.

[325] I didn't even open...

[326] Oh yeah, I took a crumb.

[327] Good move.

[328] Yeah, I'm not...

[329] I've fucked up so many times.

[330] Yeah, you know, I'm 100 % for marijuana legalization, but I think you should at least have to read a book or watch a documentary before you eat one of those cookies.

[331] Yes.

[332] You don't know what the fuck you're getting into it.

[333] Well, I could eat a cookie.

[334] It's just a cookie.

[335] It's no big deal, man. I'm going to eat the whole cookie.

[336] Those cookies are crippling sometimes Sometimes because you don't know how many There's no standard dose Like when you get a cookie and it says 2x What the fuck does that mean?

[337] You know two doses?

[338] Two doses, three Xs?

[339] I don't know what this fucking...

[340] You're using a porn system for this shit You're using the porn rating system?

[341] Dude, I had a one bite of a very small cookie This cookie was only like the size of a...

[342] Not even just slightly larger than a quarter It was a small cookie I took a little bite out of it I said let's just be careful I'll take a little bite out of it an hour later I literally my whole body was tingling I wanted to just lie down the carpet and make like carpet angels I was blitz -greaked I mean roaring roaring through the tunnels of reality clinging to the earth as it spins a thousand miles an hour I was gone and all I could think of is what the fuck would happen if I took that whole cookie.

[343] I couldn't even keep my eyes What would happen?

[344] I was like this.

[345] I was just sitting and I was like cuddling with myself on the couch.

[346] I was blasted.

[347] Yeah.

[348] Meanwhile the phone rang and I picked up the phone.

[349] Hello.

[350] I was talking to a buddy line.

[351] Yeah, what's up dude?

[352] No, everything's cool.

[353] You're right?

[354] Yeah.

[355] Yeah.

[356] No, I'm just getting some writing done.

[357] All right man, I'll talk to you here.

[358] Bye.

[359] Click.

[360] Right back into it.

[361] I could talk on the phone.

[362] Like I could be okay.

[363] I was functioning.

[364] Yeah.

[365] But I was thinking, what if I took that whole fucking cookie?

[366] Yeah.

[367] That's funny, though, that thing you just said about how that part of your mind, the part of your mind that, like, clicks back in the, like, no matter how deep the psychedelic experience is, there is a part of your mind.

[368] It puts a flashlight in your eyes.

[369] Yeah.

[370] Like, dude, we're cool.

[371] It's all right.

[372] Everything's fine.

[373] Sure.

[374] Yeah, it's very strange how your mind can do that no matter how far out you get.

[375] It's very, it's a curiosity.

[376] Like, there's a story about that Ram Dass talks about this lady called him because she was on orange sunshine, which was apparently back in the 60s.

[377] It was like the ultimate.

[378] at LSD.

[379] It was like this legendary acid.

[380] And she called him and said, you know, I've, you know, I've gone, I've took too much orange sunshine.

[381] I'm going completely insane.

[382] I don't know what to do.

[383] And he's like, okay, well, can you put the person on who thought that they should call me and picked up the phone and dialed it?

[384] Because that's what I want to talk to right now.

[385] Because it's like her, she was logical enough to know how to dial a phone and call and talk.

[386] She was making logical decisions.

[387] She had just decided to allow herself to be the crazy person for a second.

[388] You know, there's always, that's, what I'm saying is it's like, there's always the observer.

[389] There's always the part of yourself that's watching you go into whatever the experiences that you're going into, whether it's a psychedelic experience, whether it's a traumatic life experience.

[390] There's always the part of you that's just kind of watching.

[391] It just depends on who you want to identify with in any given moment you know so so you know when you get angry it's so easy said than done though when you're talking about someone going on a bad trip because when you go on a bad trip you could feel utterly helpless right the crazy thing about psychedelics is that you have to you have to release yourself to them you must submit in order to take in the experience correctly you've got to submit or you got to take doses where you have no choice yes you know and those that's better that in any that you said that was awesome yeah I know it is that was as honest as you could have been yes that's the better thing because when you have to surrender that involves like this choice to die it's like but still the bad trips occur and the reason why the bad trips occur is because you're fighting it right well yeah I mean the bad trips can occur for a lot of different reasons yeah it's quite often it's ego death you're desperately trying to keep your from blinking out of existence.

[392] Yeah, your ego kicks in and does the exact same thing that happens when someone's dying.

[393] Like, I used to...

[394] But it makes sense to you then that, you know, you would be feeling like you're going crazy.

[395] You need to be terrified.

[396] Oh, no. Sure.

[397] Isn't it the real problem that there's no one to guide people on these experiences?

[398] No, like, really seasoned professionals that measure the dose in a clinical setting.

[399] And, like, you know, like, could you imagine how much...

[400] help people could get from that sort of an environment?

[401] Dude, you've helped me. I've talked to you on the phone when I'm way too high, and you've inevitably made me feel better, just from, like, talking to you, because I'll call and I'll, if I'm freaking out, I don't remember the specific time, but I know that I've called you and just started talking about some terrible idea I'd have about an imminent war or something, like, some awful thing I'm getting paranoid about, and you're really good at being like, that's not going to happen.

[402] you're fine that everything's fine and it just takes that it's just one confident person be like dude everything's going to be really great you don't have to worry about anything and you'll feel better so yeah you're right there needs to be these people especially that's not even someone you know who knows what they're doing that's just a friend you just called up a friend and it seemed normal yeah but if you were getting dosed up by a professional yeah because i think look like i said i do think that everything should be legal i mean i think there's horrible consequences to make crack and heroin illegal.

[403] And if you want to keep those illegal, I'm, you know, I'm not going to fight you.

[404] I'm not going to fight you from meth.

[405] I'm not going to fight.

[406] I don't think it should be easy to get math.

[407] And I think the people who make math, for sure, you should fucking put them in a cage.

[408] Yes.

[409] You know, some asshole wants to get someone addicted, some horrible fucking chemical that's from cold syrup and shit and it just completely fucks your world up.

[410] But when it comes to other stuff, when it comes to like mushrooms or ayahuasca or all these things have to be released to the public.

[411] Totally.

[412] They have to.

[413] Sure.

[414] If they don't get released to the public, society suffers.

[415] Yeah.

[416] Society is more lost.

[417] Society is less introspective.

[418] Society is more prone to patterns.

[419] Yeah, it's like closing a library.

[420] It's a type of library you're not letting people into.

[421] Not just a library, but perhaps a source of inspiration, of knowledge, of wisdom.

[422] It might even be another fucking life form you know somebody um uh corrected me on twitter the other day about something about we were talking about mushrooms being plants and it was like actually mushrooms not a plant it's a fungus it's a totally different life source isn't it its own kingdom it's its own kingdom and not only that they're they're closer to animals than they are to plants right and you know when when you talk about uh giant super organisms the whole pacific northwest apparently there's some giant mushroom colony in the Pacific Northwest that's all considered, you know, it's under the, it's mycelium or whatever the fuck it is, it's considered one large organism.

[423] And it's one of the biggest organisms on the, on the planet.

[424] It's like a fucking sperm whale of mushrooms.

[425] I think it's bigger than a sperm.

[426] I mean, I think it's huge, like, it's like, isn't it miles or something?

[427] It's like.

[428] Something crazy like that, but it is a life form.

[429] And McKenna had this rap about mushrooms that, um, not only did he think that, like, mushrooms were the catalyst for humans evolving from lower primates, but he also thought that mushrooms came from under their planet because the fact that spores could survive in a vacuum and the structure of, uh, of, uh, what is it, five p. There's like, it's called Fox for a Loxy and dimethylotripy.

[430] Right.

[431] And he said something like something about the phosphorus in it.

[432] Four positions.

[433] Yeah.

[434] The only one like it on the planet.

[435] Right.

[436] There's nothing like that mushroom on the planet.

[437] And yet it mimics human.

[438] neurochemistry.

[439] I mean, and dimethyltryptamine is produced in the human body.

[440] And it's in the blood -brain barrier and they think it's responsible for dreams and all that shit.

[441] And this stuff has it in it.

[442] I mean, it is, that is part of what it is.

[443] And if it really did come from another planet, imagine if, you know, all of our ideas about intelligent life are based on the ability to manipulate carbon, the ability to manipulate carbon matter.

[444] But what if a mushroom is a life form that has evolved so far that it doesn't need a form anymore it doesn't need to move and the way it gets you is you eat it and you can't kill it, it fucking fly through space on an asteroid gets knocked off a one planet and travels four billion light years to another one and lands there and it starts up a new fucking colony of mushrooms and they grow and they grow where people are.

[445] They don't grow in the middle of nowhere.

[446] They're not hard to find.

[447] They're on grass lawns.

[448] They're on lawns where people always are.

[449] They're always around people man right there's people there's mushrooms that's a weird thing that's a weird thing the idea that it's a life form a life form from another planet that came in on an asteroid and that that's how it's the theory of pansperia that that's how life is seeded throughout the universe what's the word panspiria that's cool yeah the idea is that the universe is seeded by asteroid impacts hitting planets and knocking off you know um amino acids and the building blocks of life and somehow or another some sort of a chemical reaction with another planet and also comets carrying water and the water comes and life is and it's you know and it goes from one planet to the other and that's the idea is we're seeded by asteroids yeah that i mean that idea i've heard i've heard mckenna's idea and it and when you're tripping it definitely does seem like you are getting some kind of transmission from something you're getting well not even a transmission to me to me when i'm really gone it feels like i'm in something.

[450] Like I'm a part of it.

[451] You know, like I'm, it's not a transmission.

[452] I'm in this, whatever your consciousness truly is, outside of cells and fingernails, whenever your inner consciousness is, this thing took me to another place.

[453] And so the physical body that I exist and move around, it literally didn't exist and I was inside this other place.

[454] It's an experience that's not like, it's not like a transmission.

[455] you know it's almost like more like a chemical gateway feeling and you know we talked about this before the podcast that it could just be your senses fucking with you when you're whacked out on drugs it could be it could be that your senses everybody's senses work the same way you take this whacked out drug and everybody gets a reaction the same way but i don't think it is um and even if it is it's more fun to think that it's not and there's no evidence to prove otherwise yeah exactly so let's stick with it because it's more empowering it's more fascinating i like to believe in magic you know i don't like to believe in too much magic But I like to believe that mushrooms are magic.

[456] I like to believe that DMT is magic.

[457] I like to believe that weed is magic.

[458] I really believe weed is magic.

[459] It sounds stupid, but listen, I'm talking about it in a silly utilitarian way, in a way that's functional and easy to use without delving too deeply into what the weed is.

[460] When I smoke weed, all of a sudden I get ideas.

[461] I smoke weed and all of a sudden I have ideas.

[462] What is that?

[463] If that's not magic, I don't know what the fuck is.

[464] All the things come to you from the burning of a plant.

[465] You burn a plant.

[466] You take in its essence, whist up.

[467] Interpective thoughts, start worrying about your own behavior, studying yourself, looking at the world differently, thinking about clouds.

[468] How strange clouds are, man. They're just floating above us.

[469] There's moisture in them.

[470] Right.

[471] Where's that coming from, man?

[472] You're whacked out, man. You're killing your brain cells, man. That's your brain cells done.

[473] that's the first sign your brain cells are dying as you start having brilliant thoughts you remember that this is your brain on drugs the egg I would love at any point in time to get high and debate that guy the war on drugs that commercial the VO guy the no nonsense guy yeah see this this is your brain this is your brain on drug Bill Hicks had a great bit about well every comic at the time had a great bit about that but Bill Hicks had a particularly brilliant one about that about how preposterous it was you know you remember those commercials that came on after 9 -11 where a guy was a no -nonsense guy in a steakhouse with a suit on eating a salad and his friend was like the silly man and his friend were like man you can't tell me that you know if I smoke pot I'm supporting terrorism yes I can and he's eating the lettuce you know why because it's true that's a commercial like the no -nonsense man who's with his shoot on I'm eating a salad I'll tell you right now the drugs that you support terrorism they're selling marijuana fuck man they're the most retarded there's no logic to them the appeal to the weakest of emotions the desire to be this fat douchebag eating a steak salad you know with a suit on and a red and I'm a no nonsense man I'm a no nonsense man Bob's always working that's right he's a disciplined business man because it's true he's not taking any nonsense you know what's fucking true you know else is a no nonsense man that fucking pig in New York who mace those women he netted.

[474] Did you see that shit?

[475] That fucking beefy piece of shit.

[476] There's like these two apparently out there, there's these two distinctions in the police.

[477] They're what, and they're calling the white collar police and the blue collar police.

[478] The guys in the blue suits are apparently just being police and they're cool.

[479] But they're these violent kind of like thug pigs out there who have been like grabbing people who weren't doing anything.

[480] And I saw the video of the girls getting maced.

[481] Did you you see that video yeah it looks like does the girl try to pull down the barrier and then he just maces her is that what happened i don't know no no i watched it a bunch of times and i didn't see her even then i don't think it's you can't mase but he didn't just mace her he maced a maced it a maced it a bunch of them yeah for no reason for no reason and then he's he's kind of like skittered off he did like a he came in did it and then tried to sneak away they got a picture of the son of a bitch it's on you can look at what's the name of that thing it's Occupy Wall Street, is that what it's called?

[482] On that site, OccupyWallstreet .org, I think, there's a picture of the guy.

[483] They got a picture of them and they're trying to find them because they've got lawyers who are volunteering to help the people get out of jail and help the people who are, like, they've already arrested 100 people.

[484] And what are they doing?

[485] They're protesting what?

[486] See, they're protesting, the ideas they're protesting the fact that 1 % of the people on the planet control, the resources, and they're going to Wall Street because that seems to be like the locus of all this.

[487] like greed.

[488] There's great video.

[489] There's video of like these really like rich people sitting out on a balcony drinking champagne and toasting the protesters.

[490] All these like super richy riches out there just watching them like they're like fucking with them.

[491] Yeah, kind of.

[492] Really?

[493] Yeah.

[494] You know like they're a novelty.

[495] It's like look.

[496] Oh, look at the protesters.

[497] This is what I keep hearing.

[498] I keep hearing that no one's covering this in the mainstream news.

[499] I keep hearing that.

[500] But then I'm looking at Bloomberg .com.

[501] It's on there.

[502] It's on Business Insights.

[503] They just, I think they've started covering it.

[504] Just started covering it.

[505] Yeah.

[506] Like they have to.

[507] Yeah.

[508] Because people are starting to get arrested.

[509] Yeah, that's it.

[510] Is that what it is?

[511] But I don't know the real number of people that are out there right now.

[512] I would love to know that.

[513] This is fascinating.

[514] This is a new movement.

[515] Yep.

[516] And it's happening right now.

[517] I mean, if you're in New York, you could go down there right now and bring them a sandwich.

[518] Because they've got to be hungry, man. A lot of these kids, they don't look like, they've been out there for eight days.

[519] Nearly 100 people have been arrested for protesting in and around Wall Street during what some are calling.

[520] The Arab Spring of the United States outraged.

[521] Oh, wow, that's scary.

[522] I know.

[523] You hear that.

[524] You're thinking about what's going on, these Arab countries.

[525] Outraged over the way that the political and financial worlds are managed protesters calling themselves.

[526] The 99 % have gathered to share their grievances with the top 1 % of America and demand change.

[527] Well, I don't understand why it's illegal to protest.

[528] I thought protesting was always legal.

[529] You have to get a permit to protest.

[530] And these people don't have permits?

[531] Is that what it is?

[532] I think that they did get per.

[533] I don't know.

[534] I wouldn't be surprised if there was like they didn't have a permit.

[535] It seems gross that you should need to get permission to protest.

[536] It seems like there should be some sort of a right.

[537] But I don't know if you should be able to do it on someone's property.

[538] Like if you're blocking them.

[539] Blocking traffic?

[540] Yeah, that shit's annoying.

[541] I mean, yeah, but it does seem to go counter to the idea of a protest, which is like, can I have your permission to protest?

[542] You're just supposed to protest.

[543] Yeah, I mean, look, it's something.

[544] I support them.

[545] They're doing something.

[546] They're out there beating the drum.

[547] They're letting everybody know, hey, we are pissed off.

[548] But to say it, it's like an Arab Spring of the United States.

[549] That's fascinating.

[550] Well, people are, I mean, it's like people, this whole thing of, like, 1 % of the fucking population having all this shit.

[551] It's like, at some point, that can't work anymore.

[552] Like, if you're on an, let's imagine we're on an island.

[553] And one, there's like 10 people on the island.

[554] And one person on the island has control of all the.

[555] bananas it's like you got to share the bananas man it's you got to pass the bananas around i don't care how you got them right and the idea is that you look at the end of the day you're using up the earth's resources if you're especially if you're talking like some big gigantic corporation you're using up a gigantic chunk of the earth's resources which you know really in all fairness should be distributed equally amongst all the people on the planet yeah we just don't have the technology yet to do it and and also a lot of the people who the resources would get distributed distributed to are fucking idiots.

[556] So that is a real problem because a lot of people are not, because our education system is crap.

[557] So people have been being like brought up through a really crappy education system.

[558] Not all schools are terrible, but a lot of them, these kids, they have way too many kids.

[559] How are you going to teach a classroom of 60 fucking kids?

[560] Many of them who are living in poverty and their parents are drug addicts.

[561] How are you going to do that?

[562] You'd have to be Superman to pull that off.

[563] So it's like you're dealing with like a. people who haven't been educated and people who are hopeless and so the real question is let's imagine that all the 1 % that these people are protesting suddenly like we're like you know what we're going to distribute our wealth how do you do that like how would you even do it anyway like how do you how do you solve the problem i don't know but they're saying we have to do something that's what they're saying they're right you know they're right the system is completely fucked up it doesn't work it's not it doesn't make sense that you like the whole idea of a financial system, you know, the whole idea of when you start talking about banks and economics and numbers and manipulating things, and then things get to weird, where you talk about, like, interest rates and then you talk about taxes and you talk about the distribution of the money, where's the tax money going, when you break all these numbers down, then you realize that these numbers only represent numbers.

[564] They don't represent a fucking bag of gold somewhere.

[565] They don't represent anything of, like, real value.

[566] It's like numbers.

[567] So then when someone has you know fucking 18 billion dollars or something crazy yeah and then you you examine them and you go what did you do well i moved numbers i moved numbers around and i made billions of dollars moving all these numbers and buying and selling numbers and agreeing and and and graham hancock's here cool powerful all right folks that's the end of this one and we'll be right back in about 15 minutes because he's going to eat some food but thank you and sorry we'll be back