#125 - Giorgio A. Tsoukalos, Eddie Bravo

[0] Mr. Sukolos is ready to throw the fuck down.

[1] This is the magic of fucking Twitter, ladies and gentlemen, in the internet.

[2] Just something happened.

[3] I don't remember what we were tweeting about, but all of a sudden, Georgio tweets me back, and I tweet him, and I say, you want to do my podcast, and he says, fuck yeah, and boom, and then we meet in Vegas, and we're hanging out in Vegas like we'd known each other forever.

[4] A great fucking time.

[5] Thank you, dude.

[6] That was a lot of fucking fun, man. And Georgia is a cool cat.

[7] And, I mean, one of my favorite shows of all time.

[8] I love that ancient aliens.

[9] I've got a big stack of them.

[10] I don't necessarily agree with everything.

[11] But I don't think you do either.

[12] I think it's a lot of, who knows, right?

[13] Absolutely.

[14] It's a lot of, I mean, that's what I've got from you talking to you in Vegas.

[15] I was like, man, maybe this dude's crazy.

[16] Maybe he's going to tell me Atlantis was a spaceship and it flew away.

[17] You know what I mean?

[18] You know what I mean?

[19] But you were, like, really open to any possibility, which I truly admire in a person.

[20] You know, so many people are married to them.

[21] fucking ideas, even preposterous ideas.

[22] Like, you know, that David I guy really fucking believes that there's reptilians that are running this planet.

[23] You know, like, and he says he's got facts and information.

[24] Motherfucker, have you seen a reptilian?

[25] If you haven't, how can you be sure?

[26] How can you be?

[27] When you hear stuff like that, now you're in the business of this wild, crazy UFO world where so many people look down on anything that's even remotely outside of the main stream, oh, that gets ridiculed.

[28] But when you see a guy like David Ike, do you ever say, I wonder if this motherfucker works for the government?

[29] Because he says so much cool shit and so much shit that makes sense.

[30] And then he starts talking about reptilians.

[31] And he got to go, well, that's classic disinformation.

[32] That's like the move.

[33] That's like, you know, if you want to piss in the well, what you do is you throw a bunch of shit in there that really makes sense, like the CIA killed JFK, and, you know, we were in a Vietnam.

[34] for money, and the military industrial complex really does run things, just like Eisenhower said.

[35] Plus, there's a base on the moon.

[36] We've been going there telepathically for years, and what we do is we have a place where we go.

[37] We teleport people, and you have to be naked, and that's why women aren't allowed to be on the base.

[38] I know, what the fuck are you talking about, man?

[39] And by throwing all that wacky shit in there, you kind of piss on all the stuff that is interesting.

[40] Because, you know, you can say, well, wait a minute, this guy said that the CIA killed Kennedy, But didn't he also talk about the wonky shit on the moon?

[41] Right?

[42] Yeah, no, absolutely.

[43] So, I mean, to me, it's a very easy solution.

[44] You go with your gut feeling because there are people out there that say some really crazy stuff, and at the same time, some of the stuff they do say also carry some merit.

[45] Right.

[46] So, you know.

[47] That's a problem, though, isn't it, though?

[48] Of course it is.

[49] Of course it is.

[50] But you know what, at the end of the day, you just have to let it go and be like, all right, crazy, We all make a choice of what we believe in, what ideas we subscribe to, and if some of that stuff is crazy, guess what?

[51] I mean, if you look at science today, a science book, theories in there and ideas, and it's pretty much the cutting edge of knowledge.

[52] But if you look at a textbook from 200 years ago, which was published at a university, that too was considered a cutting edge of knowledge.

[53] edge of knowledge at the time now you look at that textbook today 200 years later and 99 % of that knowledge in there is obsolete is that true what has been really disproven like what field has been completely reworked over the last 200 years because there's thorough stuff as a fuse list and almost it gets updated but how much of it is like completely obsolete all under well you know i mean it all comes down to you know medicine when there were certain procedures that at the time were considered to be you know perfect Like radiation treatment They're actually Broadcasting this from the station on Mars Yeah, this is telepathically done Shit goes down It gets ugly You know that things And now they're friends They go on each other shows But we know Alex I wanted you to hang out with Alex At one weekend in Vegas Because you're a big Alex Jones fan I'm like, listen brother I love Alex too I love Alex too But come on let's hang out with the dude And then you get a better sense of what Alex Alex Jones is Alex Jones 24 -7 Whether it's a fucking conspiracy to keep him from getting a cigarette or uh she's trying to keep me from that beer this woman who works at the bar knows i want a beer sees me avoids me avoids on contact i've been told about the management to keep me from having a beer everything anything he was worried that we weren't really going to get him the ufc tickets i'm like brother you're good you're my friend we're cool he's a great guy he's a great guy but he's crazy you know and you have to be crazy to dig for the church that much and i like i say about Alex.

[54] He's right about a lot of shit.

[55] I don't know what the percentage is.

[56] I always throw out a number.

[57] Like he's right about 70%.

[58] But the 30 % fucks him.

[59] That he just, you know, kind of fills in the blanks.

[60] There's a lot of filling in the blanks.

[61] But the 70 % that he's whatever number it is, that he is right.

[62] It's worth it.

[63] It's shocking.

[64] And he's a perfect example of what you were talking about before, like where you have to kind of like use your own filter.

[65] There's a lot of stuff that he says that has an incredible amount of merit.

[66] It's absolutely correct.

[67] And there's some stuff that he says.

[68] You just go, what the fuck are you talking about?

[69] He gets crazy.

[70] He doesn't go reptilian crazy, but he gets deep end new world order.

[71] He gets like eugenics crazy.

[72] He gets like he's sure they have a population decreased plan where they're going to kill off.

[73] Most people, except for 500 ,000 elites are going to be able to live forever.

[74] And like, man, you've got to have some fucking rock solid evidence to throw that one around.

[75] You can't just toss that out like a beach ball that the elites are going to kill out fucking all the population except 500 ,000.

[76] Maybe.

[77] someone's thought that up, you know?

[78] I'm not saying it's outside of the realm of possibility.

[79] Your business, though, is filled with that.

[80] Look, there are hundreds of billions of stars in this galaxy and we have already spotted so many of them over the last couple decades, or a couple years, rather, that are in the Goldilocks zone, where they know possibly inhabit light.

[81] They spot it.

[82] I don't know what the number are, but it increases all the time.

[83] They're constantly finding planets that could possibly support light and planets.

[84] that are older than ours by a billion years plus.

[85] Oh, absolutely.

[86] And the fascinating thing is that, you know, when in the 60s and 70s, when Eric von Danik first wrote chariots of the gods, you know, the general consensus in the 60s and 70s was that this discussion was even more taboo than it is today, obviously.

[87] But back then, you know, it was like, you know, maybe we're alone in the universe, and there was only a handful like Frank Drake and Carl Sagan who proposed the idea, or dabbled with the idea that, you know, we might not be the only ones in the universe.

[88] In the mainstream legitimate scientific community.

[89] Now, today, you'd be hard -pressed to find any scientist or any astronomer or astrophysicist that will tell you that they think we're alone in the universe.

[90] So we've definitely switched where it's almost a given now that everyone thinks that, you know, their intelligent life exists in the universe.

[91] However, the big taboo topic that we have today that still remains is, okay, they'll say there is life in the universe or in the galaxy, but there is no way that that intelligent life could have ever been here or visited Earth in a remote past or even present day.

[92] And that to me is a fallacy and logic because, granted, the distances between the stars are indeed huge.

[93] They're mind -boggling.

[94] But just because we can't get from point A to point B doesn't mean another society that, like you mentioned or you said or inferred, that they're a billion years older than us, or their world at least is a billion years older than us.

[95] Well, I mean, we are a very, very young culture by any means of the imagination.

[96] So someone that's only 100 ,000 years older, I mean, they have technologies or other type of something where they combine biology with technology and things like that that we couldn't even dream up right now.

[97] Yeah, our imagination is the only thing that limits us from seeing what they could possibly have given them a thousand years in advance of us, a million years, or even a few hundred years, man. Look what Nikola Tesla was doing in the early 20th century.

[98] And look at what's going on today.

[99] I mean, that's a gigantic monumental leap in just a little, over a hundred years.

[100] That's amazing.

[101] Well, I mean, just imagine showing your great grandpa one of our phones today.

[102] I mean, to him...

[103] Star Trek couldn't fuck with that, right?

[104] Exactly.

[105] They thought you were going to be able to beam people onto a planet, but they still had Rocky Talkings.

[106] You know, Kirk out.

[107] You know?

[108] They had to fucking...

[109] They didn't...

[110] They couldn't wrap their head around the idea that you would have real time if we can beam people there, but the idea that you can just talk into it, Google, talk, the voice thing, You press the voice thing, you go, Eddie Bravo, and Googles Eddie Bravo.

[111] Wikipedia page videos, it's fucking amazing, man. And it's even with 3G, it's not 4G yet, but it's fast as fuck, man. Any alien species that's of 1 ,000 years from us, the idea that we're going to know what they can do is absolutely silly.

[112] We already understand the principle of folding space time and meeting those two points and having a gateway, something.

[113] They know the possibility that's existing in the universe, completely theoretical, but so many things were theoretical just a couple of hundred years ago.

[114] I mean, look at what they're doing right now with CERN with this Higgs -Bosson Corridor in that, the Clark -Luan plasma, the particle that they've created, one sugar cube is 40, or 40 billion tons.

[115] I forget which one.

[116] Either one, it's a goddamn sugar cube.

[117] You know, and the fact that they're going to come up with this, they're hinting that they're really close to discovering the god particle, this Higgs -Bosson particle.

[118] Yes.

[119] This is us today, 2011.

[120] Something a thousand years from now, my thought is always, though, that why would we even see it?

[121] They could come as clouds.

[122] You don't think they're going to be able to disguise themselves as a fucking tree or just not be visible at all?

[123] Be around us right now.

[124] And that is, you know, the same allegory I sometimes likes to use is if you have, you know, some patio lighting out on your patio and you have a cat.

[125] And that cat likes to go outside in the patio every night and, you know, look up to the sky or look up to the patio.

[126] sees the lights and the cat might think, yeah, this is very pretty, it's beautiful, but that cat has no concept of what goes into those patio lights, that there's electricity, plastic, wiring, all these different things.

[127] Which means that that is exactly the concept of exoterrestrials as well, that they can conceivably show up as some type of shapeshifters or something and not just into people, but into objects or something, because they would use exactly the same what we use today, and that's technology.

[128] Yeah.

[129] But there's something involved where, you know, just because we can't figure it out doesn't mean it does not exist.

[130] Yeah, I always say, I always bring up what I call the fart theory when it comes to aliens.

[131] And my theory is that this is the idea is that if you couldn't smell, if you didn't have a sense of smell, you would have no idea that farts existed.

[132] You had no idea that you would just sit.

[133] in someone's ass gas, right?

[134] You would have no clue.

[135] But because you have a sense of smell, this invisible thing all of a sudden becomes a reality.

[136] How do we not know there aren't a million different senses, a million different things that are around us all the time, that we just can't tune into.

[137] And all some alien has to do is tune into something that's outside of our spectrum.

[138] Toot into something that's not within our natural ability to perceive.

[139] I mean, our natural ability to perceive is very similar to the people that live 10 ,000 years ago and we're throwing fucking, you know, pointed sticks at moving animals.

[140] There's a very, very little difference between us genetically now and then.

[141] So how do we not know that the systems that we have in place are all in place for the natural world, all in place for, you know, you hear animals, you know, you see moving things, you know, you smell food, you know, they're all in place to keep us alive and keep us successful.

[142] We could very well be developing new senses because of Wi -Fi and because of all these cellular signals and the way human beings, how sick are you right now, buddy?

[143] You want to go home?

[144] Are you that sick that you want to go home?

[145] I don't want you to get everybody else like.

[146] Colds, perfect example.

[147] It's fucking some shit flying through the air in this room right now.

[148] This guy's sick, and he's got some germs inside of his body.

[149] There's some shit that you can't see unless you get a microscope, and they're little invading animals.

[150] They're trying to take over and kill him.

[151] So his army right now is at war.

[152] There's so much shit out there.

[153] There's so much shit out there that we can't wrap.

[154] our heads around.

[155] And it's happening right here at this table.

[156] Right now.

[157] There's aliens watching us in this room.

[158] How did you get into your field and how did you get on ancient aliens?

[159] Well, for that, I really have to thank my grandma because growing up, I traveled around the world with my parents.

[160] And they made sure that we would go to all those different museums and archaeological sites and things like that.

[161] and, you know, have, like, guided tours by the resident archaeologist or the resident curator and stuff like that.

[162] But then, whenever I would come back home, my grandma would say, all right, so you've just been taught about the contemporary ideas of these particular cultures, but let me show you that other ideas and theories exist as well.

[163] So she would tell me about Atlantis.

[164] She would tell me about, you know, the ancient astronaut theory and chariots of the gods and all those different viewpoints that have been proposed by others.

[165] So for me, these types of topics have been exposed to those fairly at a fairly young age.

[166] I mean, this was all dinner table conversation, especially, you know, when my parents or my grandparents would visit.

[167] But at the same time, my mom, she always used to say that whenever we would have these discussions, she would say, You know, I really think that all of this that we have today, it's been here before.

[168] And I never knew what she meant.

[169] And, of course, you know, I was five, six, seven years old.

[170] But today, I know exactly, and I finally understand what she meant, that, you know, this is just a repetition of history.

[171] How high was she when she said this?

[172] Hey, I was too young, so I don't think.

[173] You weren't sure.

[174] Yes, no. Moms in there talking about ancient civilization.

[175] I don't think so.

[176] Not my mom.

[177] No, she's lovely and all this.

[178] My mom got a hog.

[179] I'll tell you that right now.

[180] And, you know, so the question, you know, so today, especially, you know, now that my parents are like, you know, for a long time, they were like, ah, you're wasting your time with this, yada, yada, yada.

[181] And now all I have to say is that, you know, I am here because of my parents and my grandparents, and so it was their fault that all this happened.

[182] What year did Charriots of the Gods came out?

[183] It came out like in the 60s?

[184] Yeah, it was first published in German under the type.

[185] memories of the future in 1968 and then it was a runaway success and the first English edition came out in 1970 and within you know eight months or so six million copies had been sold I mean it was an absolute phenomenon that they called denichitis and it was a huge success worldwide and here we are in 2011 and Cheriates of the gods is still red Eric Fondanikin just turned He turned 77 years old.

[186] By the way, he says hello to the entire audience.

[187] He's very happy and excited that I'm on the program, so he says hello.

[188] Really?

[189] Yes, absolutely.

[190] Is he listening?

[191] So we're trying to get him on the program too here.

[192] Oh, dude.

[193] Bring him in, man. We'll do it remotely or something.

[194] Where does he live?

[195] He lives in Switzerland.

[196] I'll fucking fly out to Switzerland.

[197] All right.

[198] We'll definitely set something up.

[199] How weird was it when you first met him?

[200] Was that kind of crazy?

[201] Well, I would say it was weird the first time we actually.

[202] hung out and, you know, had a conversation and stuff because I had, you know, I had gone to some of his lectures when I was, you know, in my early teens.

[203] So, you know, and, you know, it's different if you meet someone.

[204] So you've been in the game forever.

[205] Yeah, no, I mean, look, I started the magazine that I published, you published legendary times magazines, right?

[206] That's when you started by that.

[207] Yeah, 1990s.

[208] And, uh, and, you know.

[209] And legendary times is basically all about ancient civilizations.

[210] Yes, and it's specifically geared towards ancient civilizations in respect to the ancient astronaut theory, suggesting or exploring the idea whether or not extraterrestrials, flesh and blood exoterrestrials visited Earth in the remote past.

[211] And by that, I don't mean, you know, a hundred years ago, but we're talking five, six, seven, eight thousand years ago from today, Sumerians.

[212] When you look at it, when you look at the Sumerian text, and you look at Von Danikins were.

[213] What is your gut impression?

[214] Would you, I don't think you, if you got, not making a conclusion, which way do you lean?

[215] Do you lean 50 % that they were, they were here, 50 % that maybe something else happened?

[216] How do you, more than 50 %?

[217] Personally?

[218] Yes.

[219] 100 % of they were.

[220] Absolutely.

[221] Wow.

[222] What gives you the most hope or the most reason to believe this?

[223] Well, because it's, I sometimes liken it to when you're completing a puzzle.

[224] It doesn't matter how big the puzzle is but the more pieces you put together the more pieces you fit into place even when that puzzle is not yet completed and we've all done puzzles as kids it gets easier as you move along but you can you know stop somewhere three quarters of the way and you can look at that puzzle and you know exactly what the picture looks like even though it's not yet complete and there's a couple of pieces missing.

[225] So that is what the ancient astronaut theory to me is like, that there are so many indications from all ancient cultures that the conclusion, in my opinion, is inescapable.

[226] And I'm not just saying this, you know, because I'm pulling this out of my ass, but because there are stories and there are physical pieces of evidence that the only conclusion that we can draw unless we go into the realm of the fantastical and the unlikely is that we have been visited by flesh and blood exterrestrials in the past.

[227] But what is, like, if you were going to try to convince somebody, what is the most compelling evidence in your opinion that, you know, you said there's evidence where you cannot draw any other conclusion?

[228] What is the most compelling?

[229] Well, you know, and this is where I truly enjoy and respect the work of many archaeologists around the world, because they are excavating at different, you know, sites and different monuments, and they're truly, you know, breaking their backs for some fantastic research.

[230] However, sometimes when you look at that researcher and some of the ideas that they present, there are some, you know, faults in logic there because they, for example, suggest that we have moved a block that's 1 ,500 tons.

[231] heavy, 1 ,500 metric tons heavy with a piece of string and some chicken bones.

[232] And today, our cranes, they tap out at 1 ,350 tons.

[233] So if we today...

[234] How much difference is that weight -wise?

[235] Oh, we're talking about 200 tons.

[236] So 200 tons shy?

[237] Yes.

[238] What we can do today?

[239] Right.

[240] Well, it's heavier.

[241] So you think that is the best proof?

[242] Well, I mean, there's...

[243] multiple.

[244] I mean, that one block, for example, is at a city in Lebanon called Balbeck.

[245] And we've all seen that amazing stone.

[246] That's in the Charities of the God of the movie.

[247] Exactly.

[248] Incredible.

[249] Yes.

[250] Heliopolis.

[251] Beyond.

[252] You've seen it, Eddie, right?

[253] Beyond.

[254] Right.

[255] You can't even wrap your head around it.

[256] You're like, this is not...

[257] You can't move this.

[258] Who moved this?

[259] You got the photos of that?

[260] Was it maybe just something that we're not thinking of?

[261] Like, it was, you know, underwater at one point?

[262] It made it easier to move rocks or anything like that?

[263] It doesn't make it easier to move something that big.

[264] What the possibilities are, there's two, in my opinion.

[265] There's his idea that we've been visited by ancient aliens.

[266] And then there's the idea that civilization has been restarted several times, and that is that there's some sort of a cataclysmic event that's killed almost everybody, except for a small amount of stragglers, and they regrouped and rebuilt and rethought things out.

[267] And that's one of the reasons why things come so quickly, and technology is moving so fast, and as your mom said, or who's your grandmother, whoever it was, that we are re -learning.

[268] We've done this before.

[269] That is possible, right?

[270] And it can also be a combination of both.

[271] You see, that's the thing that there are...

[272] Can I see that picture?

[273] Of course.

[274] This is the one...

[275] This is Balbeck?

[276] Yes, this is the Balbeck.

[277] It's called the Stone of the Pregnant Woman, and it's one of the biggest monoliths that has ever been seen.

[278] on planet Earth.

[279] And, you know, to me, right there, we could not move this with our modern -day cranes.

[280] And so, you know, something happened in all of these ancient sites.

[281] Because, you know, we know there's absolutely no question in my mind that our ancestors, I mean, they were extremely smart.

[282] They were ingenious.

[283] And obviously, did they know how to cut stones and how to transport them and things like that?

[284] However, I'm not really interested in moving around stones that are cut from limestone or from sandstone and things like this.

[285] But what I'm interested in is stuff like this, where it was cut out of granite or out of diorite, where still today we use diamond -tipped saws in order to cut any of these blocks that we cut today.

[286] And allegedly, our ancestors did this with copper tools.

[287] And I'm sorry, somewhere, the logic just fails.

[288] The logic certainly fails that that technology that we attribute to those people, because we have to put them in the Bronze Age and the Copper Age.

[289] We can't put them in the Age of Steel.

[290] But to me, the logic is much more likely that we were wrong about the age of bronze and the age of steel and that people had figured out diamond -tipped tools.

[291] Like, didn't they find markings inside the sarcophagus in the King's Chamber, of the Great Pyramid of Giza that they believe were attributed only to diamond -headed drill.

[292] Absolutely, and in Egypt, we have a very fascinating site called Abidos.

[293] And in Abidos, you have a...

[294] Sorry, an Abusir, not in Abidos.

[295] Abidos is where they have to do those weird hieroglyphics.

[296] But in Abusir, you have what's known as signatures of core drills.

[297] And a core drill is basically, if you imagine a steel tube tipped with diamonds that drills itself into the ground or into the rock and then you break it free you take out that tube and inside of it you have like a pipe of that a cordial sample of that particular rock now in abuzir we find multiple stones where we can see a signature of these types of machining that took place there now a lot of people have said oh well these are all modern day occurrences and it was done, you know, when the first modern -day cordial machine was invented in early 1920s.

[298] Now, when you look at the book that Sir Flinders Petrie wrote, that book was written in 1906 and it already had drawings of those cordial holes in them, which proves that these cordial holes that we can find at Abouzir are not much.

[299] modern day creations and that is absolutely crazy because Christopher Dunn, one of my colleagues who wrote the Giza power plant, he proved because he's a machinist.

[300] I mean, he's an engineer and he knows this stuff like the back of his hand.

[301] So it's not like, you know, somebody walked along and said this is how it is, but this guy, that's what he does for a living.

[302] He builds machines and he, you know, precision mechanisms and things like this.

[303] So he is trained for that kind of, you know, investigation.

[304] And he said that there is no way that this could have been done with copper tools.

[305] I mean, it's just impossible.

[306] And so, you know, there's some just wild, wild pieces of evidence that we have out there.

[307] Like in Puma Punco, for example, in the Bolivian highlands, at an altitude of 12 ,500 feet, there is this magnificent place called Tiwanaku, that every day hundreds of tourists arrive there and they look at it they take pictures and then they leave as clueless as they arrived and uh...

[308] uh...

[309] about a hundred and fifty two hundred yards away from from tionaku there's another site that's very much lesser known called puma punku and at puma punku everything defies logic is defied at puma punku because the blocks of stone that we have there are pure diarite, and the site, and granite.

[310] And they are so perfect that we today would have a hard time recreating some of these blocks.

[311] And I actually spoke to a real -life stone mason.

[312] His name is Roger Hopkins, and he looked at some of these pictures that I showed him of Puma Punku, and he said that not for any amount of money or for any amount of time would he volunteer to, try to replicate some of these rocks, some of these blocks.

[313] And if a real -life stone mason says this, I mean, God bless the professors and the archaeologists, but I'd rather listen to someone who cuts stone for a living than someone, you know, who stands before a blackboard.

[314] But this guy who cut stone for a living, what he said was that it could be done.

[315] He said it would be really hard and he wouldn't want to do it for any amount of money, but that it could be done.

[316] Yes, but only with modern day.

[317] Yes, and not with chicken bones.

[318] If we know that, if we know that it could be done with modern technology, wouldn't it be more likely that modern technology is sort of a recreation of what people did learn in the past and that they probably were wiped out by some sort of a cataclysmic disaster?

[319] That, to me, seems way more likely than aliens came and moved rocks.

[320] You're saying if it'd be really, really difficult for people to do it today, Well, there's a lot of stuff that would be incredibly difficult for people to do today.

[321] I'm not necessarily suggesting that aliens move the rocks.

[322] What I'm saying is that the aliens that visited Earth gave the technology or taught the technology to humans because what they wanted to do is to leave behind messages that they were here in the past.

[323] So all those incredible monuments that we have today, like the pyramid, at Giza, or Stonehenge, or Puma Punco, for example, or New Grange, all these magnificent sites, Cusco, you know, Machu Picchu in Peru, that all those places are messages for a future generation to understand that something way different happened in our past, that is the main reason why, for example, we have religions today and things like this.

[324] So you think that pretty much all science emanates from some sort of an alien contact?

[325] Is that what you think?

[326] No, because modern day, because, you know...

[327] Because there's a trace of modern day science.

[328] You can follow it.

[329] Yeah, exactly.

[330] Right.

[331] Now, let's think about this.

[332] What age do you think people had technology that sort of any fucking nut that crashed and the TV show lost, crashed on an island and you could recreate?

[333] What was that?

[334] Like, maybe 2000, 3 ,000 years ago?

[335] No. 4 ,000, 5 ,000?

[336] Yeah.

[337] Something like that.

[338] So, like, five, six thousand years ago, they were basically living like savages, right?

[339] Supposedly, supposedly, clearly supposedly, yes.

[340] If you follow, let's give them 10 ,000.

[341] No, even even earlier, I mean, look, the thing is.

[342] My point, I'm sorry, just, my point was that if in 10 ,000 years' time, people have gone from being cave dwelling savages that were throwing pointy sticks at moving animals to people with cell phones and the internet and wireless.

[343] and this is all created, you know, inarguably by human beings.

[344] There's a record of all these inventions and all these creations.

[345] If this has been achieved over 10 ,000 years, what's to say that there wasn't some sort of a massive disaster that happened at the end of the last Ice Age or somewhere in there?

[346] 20 ,000 years ago, they'd date it, 15 ,000, whatever the fuck it is, and that technology died, and that civilization died, and it had to be reinvented by the surviving humans, basically, from scratch, and that even though human beings had been around for a long, long, long time before that, and civilization had evolved to an incredibly high level, all that information was lost.

[347] That, to me, is way more likely than aliens.

[348] Well, but see, here's the thing, this is where the difference lies, that when, let's say, the Sumerian culture sprung out of virtually nothing, and it happened virtually overnight, the Sumerians were very clear in stating that they got their start in civilization by what they referred to as the Ananaki.

[349] And the Ananaki translated into English means those who from the head came.

[350] Yes, exactly.

[351] But isn't that true that that's only by, I mean, Zechariah Sitchin is pretty much the main scholar of the Sumerian text of Belize.

[352] There's a lot of other scholars that do not agree with it.

[353] Oh, absolutely.

[354] But the translation, even a quote -unquote mainstream science, scientist or sumurologist will say that Anunnaki means that.

[355] I mean, that is not, for example, Sicorai.

[356] He did, there are quite a few things that he translated, you know, quote -unquote himself.

[357] So that's definitely a valid point, but there are the great majority of what he's talking about has been translated correctly, and he has used, you know, many of the most accessible and correct translations that can.

[358] can be found today.

[359] But even in the epic of Gilgamesh, don't they refer to a long, gone, superior civilization that existed before them?

[360] Yes, but that civilization always lived, quote, unquote, somewhere else, and in the Great Dark Void.

[361] Now, what's the Great Dark Void?

[362] That's a beautiful...

[363] Pasadena.

[364] It's a...

[365] It's a city name.

[366] It's a poetic way of saying...

[367] Compton.

[368] That would be better.

[369] Compton would be better.

[370] been better for the great talk for him.

[371] Shit, I fucked up.

[372] Yeah, maybe it is.

[373] But do you know, you follow me?

[374] What I'm saying is that, like, you know, I firmly believe that there's life out there.

[375] I mean, I think the possibility is, you know, there's the numbers, you know, and I think it's also very possible that it's reached us.

[376] But I think if you look at what's more likely, if we absolutely know that people can build immense structures, if we absolutely know that civilization, most likely, because of all these, historical you know depictions of natural disasters whether it's the epic of Gilgamesh or Noah's Ark or a hundred different cultures that have stories of apocalyptic disasters and the volatile nature of the earth itself the fact that we know it's covered in craters the fact that we know that every planet we look at the moon and just see craters all over the place we know about the shifting in the polar ice cast we know about Pangaea we know that there was intelligent life probably in some sort of a monkey form when pangia was around right yes no absolutely Pangea, being for people don't know.

[377] The whole entire world was one continent.

[378] That's a theory.

[379] And it's drifted apart.

[380] I think that, I mean, I just think that if we know for a fact that human beings are capable now of doing spectacular things, and we have said already that if we existed 100 years more, man, imagine what we would know.

[381] Just imagine what has sprung out over the last 100, 300 years.

[382] You know, and I think you add a few hundred years to that or a thousand years to that, it's not unreasonable, in my opinion, to think that 10 ,000 years ago there was some sort of an event, some sort of a catastrophic, maybe it's 15 ,000, whatever the fuck you name it, a catastrophic event that fucked this world sideways and killed almost everybody.

[383] To me, that is just way more likely than these people got it from some higher intelligence.

[384] Well, he's saying both of it, a combo of both.

[385] Could be.

[386] And how many different ancient civilizations tell the people where they got their knowledge?

[387] It's not just the Samarians.

[388] They're all telling you there's incredible monuments that puzzle us today.

[389] We're telling you that dudes from the heavens came down and showed us, but no one's believing it.

[390] We're also telling you that a guy died and came back to Earth three days later and turned water into wine.

[391] No, but these are structures that actually you can see, and they're scientists paffled by them.

[392] What structures?

[393] What structures?

[394] The stuff in South America, the Mayans, all the ancient Samarian, Well, yeah, but the Mayans, you know, their shit is totally different.

[395] I mean, they believe that a fucking plume snake created the universe, you know?

[396] Yeah, but hold on a second now.

[397] That's exactly what I'm talking about.

[398] What is behind this story of the plume snake?

[399] Mushrooms.

[400] Like a motherfucker.

[401] In the jungle, hang it out, banging hot, Mayan chicks, chilling.

[402] I mean, that's definitely an idea and possibility.

[403] Playing football with human heads.

[404] But I'm trying to figure out what are the realities behind those stories.

[405] I certainly think it's a possibility.

[406] I'm not ruling out that possibility.

[407] Oh, no, of course not.

[408] But, you know, it is definitely a combination because the bottom line is that all these ancient cultures are very adamant and very specific in saying that this all happened because of a visit from beings from the stars.

[409] I mean, the star thing is very prevalent.

[410] if it were a previous civilization or if it were, let's say, human beings because sometimes people say, well, how come you're not talking about that maybe it's our civilization from the future that traveled into the past to help us with certain developments?

[411] Well, that can't be true because nowhere in the ancient texts do we find any reference where it says, well, we're just like you, but we're from the future.

[412] Maybe it's just future bullshit artists.

[413] That's what those little gray dudes are.

[414] They're just completely full of shit.

[415] They're us from the future, but they fuck with us the same way we fuck with monkeys.

[416] Like, yeah, if you get in the cage, I'll give you a banana.

[417] And the monkey gets in the cage, and you just steal them, take them to the zoo.

[418] And you give him that banana, and he's like, what the fuck?

[419] The crazy thing about Zacharii Sitchin, when people question his translations, are the things that he got right in the 70s that we were fighting out just a day in, like, 2001, 2002, that in the stories that he's talking about with Adonaki, he's saying in a nutshell that this hyper -advanced race is created us as slaves to mine gold because they needed gold dust particles to suspend in their atmosphere to protect their planet.

[420] Well, we just discovered in the 2000s that, hey, you actually do protect atmospheres by suspending metallic products.

[421] How the hell did an archaeologist know some astrophysics in the 70s?

[422] That's an intense shift.

[423] Yeah, well, it is possible that they were really sophisticated seven, eight thousand years ago and they knew that we were eventually going to run into the same problems again.

[424] I mean, maybe they were burning shit back then that was eating up the ozone layer.

[425] Maybe they were fucking with chemicals back then, just like we are now.

[426] So that would mean they were super smart, but they're telling you specifically the reason why they how it happened.

[427] Yes.

[428] Yeah, well they figured it out, just like we figured it out.

[429] Just like we figured it out now, they figured it out then.

[430] No, but they're telling you how they figured it.

[431] They're saying, they got it from the Ananaq.

[432] Yes.

[433] But again, I don't know.

[434] See, I don't know enough about language to argue against or for Sitchin.

[435] But I know that he's a rogue scholar.

[436] He's not the only one, though.

[437] I mean, or the Ananaki or the Samirian stories are not the only stories that we find concise pieces of evidence.

[438] The Dogans, right?

[439] Yes.

[440] I mean, they have completely such detailed astronomical knowledge, which was not corroborated until the 19.

[441] early 1960s, and there's still people that say, oh, this is a complete hoax when it really isn't.

[442] I mean, they knew about invisible stars that were then later truly corroborated by NASA and other astrophysicists.

[443] I mean, how on earth would they know something like this?

[444] And Dogan give you the answers that they were visited by somebody that descended from the sky.

[445] And then who are we to say that these people are lying or that they made up?

[446] fantasy stories because that to me is the insult, right?

[447] When people say...

[448] I'll insult the fuck out of some old tribes.

[449] Suck of the shit.

[450] No, no, no. Goofy fucks, worship, the snakes.

[451] No, I'm just referring to, you know, because people, you know, archaeologists may or debunkers are saying, well, you know, you guys attribute everything to alien intervention and, you know, you undermine the human ingenuity.

[452] You're suggesting that you know, our ancestors were stupid.

[453] And nothing could be further from the truth because obviously, nothing happened in our brain development in the last 50 ,000 years.

[454] If you bring back someone from 10 ,000 years ago to today, you can teach that person how to drive a car.

[455] You can teach that person even to fly a plane.

[456] No problem because intellectually speaking, they're as capable as we are today.

[457] However, there was one huge difference, and that is their technological frame of reference was different or smaller than what we have today.

[458] So when we have stories of flying shields or dragons or, you know, smoking snakes and plumes and plumes and plume snakes and things like that, then my question is, well, what was it exactly that our ancestors tried to describe with their vocabulary?

[459] Because they didn't have the vocabulary for rocket or for, you know, had to liken a rocket to a blazing oven or something like this or, you know, gleaming bronze monster and things like that.

[460] So therein lies the big difference.

[461] And so when archaeologists then say, well, you know, you're saying that I undermine human ingenuity from the past, it's like, no, I'm really not because I am reading to you exactly that these same people said that they received their knowledge from these humanoid beings that descended from the sky.

[462] So you think that's the most compelling piece of evidence to you is human beings depictions of what was going on, like Divimanas or, you know, no, I mean, that is definitely see, and that's the great thing about the ancient alien theory, that you can you know, it's such an interdisciplinary field of research that, you know, you can look at ancient Egypt and you can look at South America and draw correlations.

[463] I mean, they found, you know, crazy correlations between those two cultures, for example, where they found cocaine in mummies and things like that, where cocaine was only, you know, available in one country.

[464] And so, so it was just definitely, I mean, something definitely happened that there was trade between all continents, and personally, I suggest that trade didn't necessarily happen on water, but that they actually had, you know, aircraft, because that is what the ancient texts are saying.

[465] Not only in India with the Vimanas, but also in the Hebrew and in the Ethiopian cultures, you have the story of King Solomon and his flying carpet and its flying machine.

[466] Didn't your show take an artifact and recreate it?

[467] Explain that.

[468] Tell me about what happened there.

[469] Well, where was the artifact from?

[470] It's from South America, from Colombia.

[471] And it's a, gold funerary objects, it's a totem, that hundreds, I'm sorry, thousands and thousands of those little artifacts have been found, and they were usually shaped in the form of frogs and insects and fish and crocodiles and things like that.

[472] However, out of those thousands of funerary objects that have been found, about eight were found worldwide that look like modern -day airplanes.

[473] And so these two engineers, one doctor and one engineer in Germany, what they did is in the early, in the mid -90s, in 1996, they took one of those little funerary objects, and they blew it up to ratio and to size without adding an inch or subtracting an inch.

[474] I mean, they just basically blew it up to about three to four feet long.

[475] It looks exactly like the old one.

[476] Exactly.

[477] And they put a propeller inside, and they tried multiple objects.

[478] I mean, they didn't just do one that they thought, well, this one is most likely, looks most likely like a plane.

[479] So let's just do this one.

[480] No, they took a whole bunch of them, and they recreated them as model planes.

[481] They threw them up in the air, and they were 100 % aerodynamically sound.

[482] They were able to do rolls and loops and stuff like that.

[483] I mean, they were 100 %, you know, they were airplanes.

[484] And even to the untrained eye, they look like planes.

[485] Unquestionable.

[486] Yeah.

[487] Because here's the thing that, you know, a lot of people are saying.

[488] What do they say about this?

[489] Yeah, well, they say that these are also fish or insects, but, you know.

[490] You look at that.

[491] That's an airplane.

[492] Because here's the thing.

[493] Well, because it's, first of all, it's got a delta shape and a fuselage.

[494] And then you have the stabilizers in the back, and you've got an upright rudder.

[495] and no living creature in nature it does not exist.

[496] Plus, the wing formation is a low wing formation, where the wings are attached to the bottom of the fusillade of the body, exactly.

[497] And we have our wings or arms attached like the birds on the shoulder girdle.

[498] And that formation that we can find in the Colombian artifact does not, it doesn't suggest this.

[499] is that artifact?

[500] 1 ,500 to 1 ,600 years old.

[501] God damn.

[502] Yeah, so, Tolimar region in Colombia and pre -Columbian artifact, and it's, you know, so those are all those little things that, you know, all fit together somehow.

[503] And, in my opinion, they had something to do with flesh and blood aliens who visited in the remote past.

[504] It's so weird that our history is so incomplete.

[505] That's why we're having this debate.

[506] The reason why we're having this debate is because, you know, that the history is so sketchy.

[507] When you get just a few thousand years ago, it's like, ugh, fuck knows, man. And it doesn't help when you get these conventional archaeologists that are so fucking set in their ways, man. This Robert Shock -John Anthony West thing that's going on in Egypt in pertaining to the dating of the Sphinx.

[508] I find their research fascinating.

[509] What I find more fascinating is how these mainstream Egypt just, just poo -poo it.

[510] Like, where's the evidence of this culture?

[511] Like, the argument they had was so childish, it was so egotistical.

[512] The guy was standing up going, you know, you're talking about the sphinx being predating, you know, 9 ,000 BC.

[513] Where's the evidence of this culture that's willing to do?

[514] Where's the evidence?

[515] Like, what the fuck do you think is going to be there, sir?

[516] What do you think is going to be there after 11 ,000 years?

[517] You're talking 9 ,000 BC.

[518] How much is going to be left, man?

[519] I'll tell you what's going to be left.

[520] Rocks.

[521] And there's your evidence, geological rocks that are so fucked up by water that it has to be thousands of years of rainfall.

[522] You know, that is unanimous.

[523] When geologists look at the sphinx enclosure and they show photographs of the water, the water erosion of the fissures, they're 100 % agreed that it's water erosion due to thousands of years of rainfall.

[524] By the way, rainfall, too, not just flooding, not like one crazy flood.

[525] thousands of years.

[526] So that just shows you it has to be older than 9 ,000 BC because that was the last time there was flooding or there was a rainforest in the Nile Valley.

[527] No, and the crazy thing is also that their research is corroborated by other research as well.

[528] When my colleague Robert Boval came out with the Orion mystery and when he suggested that if you look at the three gray pyramids at Giza from a bird's eye perspective, you see that the three are sort of lined up, but not completely.

[529] They're not in a straight line that the smallest pyramid is a bit off.

[530] And he's like, well, that's really strange.

[531] So what's going on here?

[532] And then he determined that these three pyramids are, in fact, built to the exact ratio of Orion's to three stars in Orion's belt.

[533] I had heard, though, that the only way you could see the three stars from that angle, you would have to look at everything upside down from like, that it doesn't actually work that way.

[534] that it was disproven, that you can see it that way, but not from Earth, not from the way we look at it.

[535] You would have to reverse everything.

[536] Is that true?

[537] Yes.

[538] I mean, look, the general idea still holds, even though the upside down theory is possibly correct.

[539] I'm not sure of that, to be honest with you.

[540] I'm not sure of it either.

[541] I've watched a video, I think.

[542] However, what he did determine is the fact that the time, if you were to put three floodlights on top of each tip of the pyramid and fire it straight into the sky, you know, like at the Luxor in Las Vegas, the big beam, the time when the three tips of those pyramids would line up exactly with Orion's belt and you have software for this where you can, you know, rewind back the night sky and the computer these days, it would be.

[543] in 12 ,500, 12 ,500 years ago, which Boval labeled or is known in Egyptology as the golden age, when the gods still walked amongst men.

[544] And so the fact that the Pyramid also, I mean, the Sphinx also dates to 9 ,000 BC, well, that's the golden age that everybody talks about in Egypt.

[545] And we have 9 ,000 BC, thousands of years earlier, it has to exist because of the thousands of years of rainfall.

[546] So you are talking, maybe 10 ,500 BC, maybe 11 or more.

[547] So the fact is that, and there are ancient texts that talk about these previous cultures or these previous periods of other kings that lived in the Egyptian region.

[548] But they're considered to be fantasy stories by archaeists.

[549] Right, even the pictures of the pharaohs of like 34 ,000 years ago, aren't there?

[550] I mean, I believe John Anthony West has stated that it goes back almost 30 ,000 or more years.

[551] There is a Kings list out there, and everybody can go Google this tonight.

[552] It's called WB44, and that Kings list absolutely will boggle your mind because it basically lists a combined age of kings that ruled for a half a million years before our culture.

[553] Now, you know, it's absolutely, it's absolutely crazy.

[554] And so, and that is a list that can be found at the British Museum in England, in London.

[555] Where is it from?

[556] It's from Sumeria.

[557] And it's WB44.

[558] And it lists for how long, how old?

[559] For hundreds of thousands of years.

[560] And some of these kings, it says, have reigned for 16 ,000 years, for 48 ,000.

[561] thousand years one thing one king and then the question is well how is this even possible got all that all braid de gray type shit they were working that back then man or they or are we talking about time dilation time dilation what you mean where if you travel at close to the speed of light if on your spaceship five years pass and you travel at 99 .9 % of the speed of light 5 ,000 years pass here on earth and that's just the the theory of relativity, which is, you know, and it takes time dilation into account.

[562] I mean, like anyone that flies a lot, those people are actually aging slower than the rest of us.

[563] So the more you are in motion, the slower you age.

[564] And so this is a mathematically viable and proven theory that if you travel close, which of course we are not capable of doing yet, but just because we human beings can't do it doesn't mean it does not exist and that's the big you know argument.

[565] So this dude would like come down here, fuck with some shit and go yeah I'll be right back and then he comes back like 16 ,000 years because to him it's only a year but he goes at the speed of light or whatever the hell he goes and he comes back.

[566] Yes and it sounds like science fiction but who says that that is not possible that is an interesting way to stay valid and just say listen bitch I am coming back and then you actually do come back?

[567] And those are the stories that we find that these quote -unquote gods, which by the way they never existed, it's all lowercase G, there is no such thing as gods.

[568] I mean, it's completely it was a complete misunderstanding, a misinterpretation of our ancestors who didn't understand the nuts and bolts technologies behind these visits, and so they started to worship these people.

[569] And those visitors knew exactly, that they were being worshipped because, you know, it would be the same thing that if we arrive on a planet, one day in the future, 5 ,000 or whatever years from now, and we find a quote -unquote intelligent species, but they're a bit primitive, yeah, well, you know, we'll push them a little bit in the right direction, show them how to, you know, to complete agriculture and medicine and architecture and all those things.

[570] And then we'll just say, okay, we're going to disappear again.

[571] Well, guess what?

[572] Our once real visit will turn into, will enter the realm of mythology a thousand or two thousand years after our visit.

[573] And so one day, all of us, all human beings will become ancient astronauts on some other planet.

[574] It's just, it's just a, you know, it's an internal wheel.

[575] I have a question.

[576] You're a master of ancient cultures.

[577] Most ancient cultures predict.

[578] Get up close to the mind.

[579] Most ancient cultures have some kind of 2012 warning or signifies the end of some age?

[580] What do you think?

[581] Yeah.

[582] I really need you to pay attention to this because I think that the biggest threat that we face on December 22nd, 2012 is the massive hangover that will all be suffering.

[583] So that's about it.

[584] Look, because there's a lot of 2020.

[585] 12 stuff with Zacharii Sitchin.

[586] Of course, of course.

[587] And so, you know, here's the thing that...

[588] What did Zacharii Sitchin think, 2012 then?

[589] Nibiru was going to, you know...

[590] Even though...

[591] That's like a year away.

[592] Wouldn't it be able to see it?

[593] Yeah, look, here's the thing that, you know, the whole 2012 thing, in my opinion, is nothing else but a complete...

[594] It's a mass hysteria.

[595] You think of them?

[596] Absolutely.

[597] But not to Zachary Sitchin, though.

[598] Yeah, well, he...

[599] Even he, right before, or a year before he died, he rephrased his theory by saying that if, if at all, Nibira were to return, it's going to be around 2036 or 2038 or something like that.

[600] Damn, it changed it.

[601] Absolutely, yes.

[602] But, you know, that's neither here nor there because the bottom line is that the big problem with 2012 is the fact that it's not even 2011 right now.

[603] That's what nobody talks about, that, you know, we, our calendar is wrong because if there's a couple of arguments that you can make, and that is, you know, if you look at our quote -unquote history, we went from 1 BC to 1 AD without a year zero, which means that we are already at least by one year off, so it's either 2012 already or it's still 2010.

[604] And then, you know, we don't know whether or not our calendar, we also know that Jesus was not born in the year zero, but scholars.

[605] And I'm talking to theological scholars now have determined that Jesus was born between 5 and 3 AD.

[606] So right there, born, exactly.

[607] So right there, we've got another five years, you know, considering the fact that we're being told that, our calendar began ticking on the day of Jesus' birth.

[608] So, long story short, and the third argument is also that it is now Berkeley scholars and scholars at a university in Rome have determined that in the Middle Ages, when the monks were in charge of recording our dates and everything like that, that they also made a mistake up to five years.

[609] So, the interesting thing is that, to make a long story short, that we could be as far off as 10 years with our current date.

[610] And if you take into consideration, when did our calendar really start ticking, was it at the time when Jesus died, or was it at the time when he was nailed to the cross?

[611] Who knows these things?

[612] I mean, some have suggested that we're off by 200 years.

[613] And these are not people that, you know, just pulled this stuff out of their butts, but they're scholars at universities who, you know, have studied this stuff.

[614] And so the bottom line is that the whole 2012, it's nothing else but complete hysteria and nothing, let me repeat, absolutely nothing will happen next year.

[615] Dude, you've got to talk to Daniel Pinchback because he's written books and he doesn't agree with you.

[616] That's fine.

[617] He thinks Quetzel Quattel's coming.

[618] And God bless him, and Quetzel Quattel will not come.

[619] Now, didn't they predict...

[620] And by the way, Quetzel Quattel was an extraterrestrial spaceship.

[621] You think so?

[622] Absolutely.

[623] Didn't they predict that the Mayans accurately predicted the sonar looter eclipses in the future?

[624] So if they predicted that, how is it possible that we say they predicted it right?

[625] We must be following their timeline.

[626] If we're following their timeline, then it must be 2012.

[627] Oh, no, absolutely.

[628] You're right.

[629] But if our calendar from the very beginning is wrong, then we are basing our wrong calendar on their calculation.

[630] Right, but if we're basing our wrong calendar on their calculations, then it lines up with what we call 1919, and what we call 2012, then shouldn't it be that they got the lunar eclipses right?

[631] So they got 2012 right?

[632] No, they definitely have 2012 right.

[633] And by the way, the only thing, yes, but not, yes, in their counting.

[634] In their count, but not ours.

[635] Yes, exactly.

[636] But how is their counting, like, line up exactly with ours when it comes to the prediction of solar and lunar eclipses then?

[637] Well, solar and lunar eclipses, it doesn't matter what you're in.

[638] Right, but they accurately depicted the year that these solar and lunar eclipses were going to take place according to our calendar.

[639] But we superimposed their counting onto ours.

[640] Okay.

[641] So we tried to make it fit.

[642] Yes, exactly.

[643] Okay.

[644] So, you see, and here's the other thing that's...

[645] Tricky, when you get two calendars too, right?

[646] Like, one of a completely different type of calendar than ours.

[647] So there must be something happening in December 21st, 2012.

[648] That must signify at the end of the 13th Bactun?

[649] What does that mean?

[650] It's the end of the long count.

[651] And that is the exact thing that, you know, the mind.

[652] not once, not once did they ever say that the world was going to end.

[653] The only thing they said is that one period of time ends, and a new period of time begins.

[654] So it could be that, you know, if you believe, some people believe that time has certain qualities to it, that there are times when things are easier and times when things are harder, and that this is literally like an ebb and flow like the tides, and that perhaps what the Mayans were predicting is just some new, stage of humanity, some new stage of existence, some new stage of the Earth and the universe, that this thing just, things just keep flowing in this sort of a circular direction.

[655] Well, yeah, I mean, look, everything, as we know, is cyclical, so that is definitely, you know.

[656] And they, they, they mastered the procession of the equinoxes.

[657] Yes.

[658] And they had figured that out.

[659] They had figured out a lot of cycles that were really complex.

[660] But who taught them this?

[661] And they're also very cool.

[662] Mushrooms, mushrooms and a lot of.

[663] free time also so the aliens who were dressed up as little mushroom mascots the aliens that's what it is what do you say to people that say well how do we know Jesus really even existed yeah and they're like DVDs and stuff that what was that DVD the god the god wasn't there the god there wasn't that yeah there's a lot of people that argue scientifically that he's not a real figure I you know I personally think that Jesus 100 % was a historical figure.

[664] Do you think he was an alien?

[665] No, no, no. And neither was Buddha and neither were any of the other, quote -unquote, prophets and saints.

[666] What about just a regular astronaut?

[667] No. No, I just think that, you know, Jesus, you know, was a historical figure, was able to move people, but that he was the son of God, in my opinion is nonsense because we are all the sons and daughters of God.

[668] We all have the divine within our hearts.

[669] Well, what kind of proof?

[670] I mean, you've studied a lot of ancient cultures, obviously.

[671] Do you know of any proof that would that Jesus existed.

[672] Well, I mean we have stories we have the texts that have been written down at the time, like the Kumran text of the Dead Sea Scrolls and things like that.

[673] So, I mean, obviously nobody took a picture and, you know, there are some Well, the Kumaan text is where you get real squarely because the Dead Sea Scrolls, that's where it's, they trace it back to an ancient Sumerian word, Christ is an ancient Sumerian word that means a mushroom, covered in God's semen?

[674] Well, interesting.

[675] You know the John Marco Allegro story.

[676] Yes.

[677] Interestingly enough, what's also fascinating, and what many people don't know, is that before Jesus, there were 15 other crucified, quote -unquote, saviors in human history.

[678] And so it's all very bizarre that, you know, Christianity claims that he was the only one, which is completely untrue.

[679] Well, when you measure his story, story next to all these other stories, I mean, even Hercules, Hercules and Jesus, pretty fucking close.

[680] A lot of goddamn similarities.

[681] You know, it's, it's pretty obvious that we've always been looking for a savior.

[682] We've always been looking for a one, a one thing.

[683] And you think that's just like some alpha male chimpanzee thing where you look for the alpha and you think somehow, you know, that at one point in time there was a super alpha and the super alpha had all the answers?

[684] Is it just a myth to keep?

[685] people going?

[686] What is that?

[687] What is the need for this super alpha?

[688] Do you think that it signifies this alien intervention in human history?

[689] Is that what you personally believe?

[690] No, I just think that a lot of times people are not happy with their own thoughts, that they need to...

[691] But there's a theme.

[692] And the theme is that at one point in time, there was a god.

[693] The theme exists in all of them.

[694] All of the different religions all talk about one point in time, there was a God, and this God had all the answers, and this is the shit that he wrote down.

[695] This is the shit that he told people.

[696] Well, yes, but here's the thing that, you know, I mean, if you want to look at the Old Testament where we have a description of quote -unquote God, in the ancient national opinion, whatever or whoever was described in the Old Testament, and this is exclusively referring to the Old Testament.

[697] It has nothing to do with a New Testament.

[698] Like the Ezekiel shit.

[699] Yes.

[700] That whatever or whoever was described in the Old Testament, by all means, was not God.

[701] That being, or that humanoid creature that was here was misinterpreted or thought as God, as something divine, something spiritual, something more advanced, something magical.

[702] It was 100%.

[703] So Jesus was an alien.

[704] No, I just said, that has nothing to do with the New Testament.

[705] Okay.

[706] Old Testament.

[707] No, no, no, old testament.

[708] So God was an alien and Jesus was just a dude.

[709] No, no. See, it was not God.

[710] That's the thing.

[711] That's what you're saying.

[712] Our ancestors thought it was God.

[713] Because, see, a lot of people say, well, does that mean you're an atheist?

[714] Does that mean you don't believe in God?

[715] And, you know, because a lot of debunkers or actually creationists are always using Albert Einstein as their best example of where they say, See, even Albert Einstein, he believes in God, so, you know, we must be right with our ideas.

[716] Well, that is only half of the story, because when Albert Einstein was asked as a journalist, when a journalist asked Albert Einstein, do you believe in God?

[717] What Einstein said, and anyone can go and look this up, is the fact that he replied by saying, well, dear journalist, before I can answer your question, we have to define what your definition or your idea of God is.

[718] And then the journalist said, well, I believe in the Old Testament God and Creator.

[719] And then Albert said, well, if that is your definition of God, then I respectfully will tell you that I do not believe in God.

[720] And then he's like, well, then, so what are you talking about?

[721] And Einstein then explained his definition or his idea of God and the universe and the order that we have in the universe amidst chaos.

[722] And he said, and if that is what, and this to me is my idea of God, that there's some order to the universe because, you know, God does not throw dice.

[723] That's one of the most famous quotes.

[724] So therein lies the difference that, yes, I do think, that there is an all -encompassing force out there but it's not a personal god it's not where you know I pray and then all of a sudden I you know I'm praying for something to happen I mean that to me is a waste of time to be honest with you it's like if you want something to happen you got to go out there and do it yourself no matter what you do but I think the reason why the idea of prayer exists is because people can manifest things with their own thoughts and and staying positive and focusing on a goal and making things happen, to a certain extent.

[725] But thought, but that to me is just thought.

[726] Yeah, well, the idea of prayer, prayer is just advanced thought.

[727] Right, but the moment that, see, that therein, to me, that's where it gets about wacky, because the moment that you correlate your own powers, your own, you know, connection to the universe that you have, the moment that you connect that to a personal God and put everything that you have, You basically deny all responsibility.

[728] You say, okay, fine, God will take care of it.

[729] That, to me, is such a cop -out attitude.

[730] It's like, you know, why?

[731] No, be responsible for your own actions and don't rely on someone else.

[732] No, I completely agree, but I think that that's where the idea of prayer came from, the reason why it exists to this day, because you can sort of make things happen if you focus on them for a long period of time, and people who have been successful at making things happen have, like, stepped back and said, look, you know, we made this happen by prayer.

[733] We thought this through.

[734] Get a crawfurt, bro.

[735] Open it up.

[736] I'll be scared.

[737] You need one.

[738] Stop coughing.

[739] Poor little sickie.

[740] Poor little sickie, Brian.

[741] Now, you've been doing this for a long time now.

[742] You said, 1999, you started out your magazine.

[743] How do you get approached to be doing this ancient alien show?

[744] How does this happen?

[745] Did they just seek out people with, you know, sort of fringe beliefs and people that are experts on these subjects?

[746] No, it was actually a very funny story, and that was, if you remember, in 2008, that New Indiana Jones movie came out, the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, and it's kind of a disaster of a movie, in my opinion, but whatever.

[747] They're making another one, can you believe it?

[748] To redeem themselves, I hope.

[749] I don't know, to make it worse.

[750] No, no, no, no, no. It can't get worse.

[751] They just don't seem to be making the same quality of movies.

[752] Anyway, the great thing about the movie itself was, you know, the idea behind it was great, but the execution was horrid.

[753] It was basically an ancient alien movie where, you know, he was chasing a crystal skull.

[754] The crystal skull happened to be an extraterrestrial origin, this and that.

[755] So the History Channel made a two -hour documentary about Indiana Jones and the feasibility behind, you know, all the stuff that he chased down.

[756] And so it was one segment.

[757] about crystal skulls in which I appeared and, you know, talked about the possibility whether the Mitchell Hedges skull, for example, was in fact, or could in fact be an exterrestrial artifact.

[758] And the Mitchell Hedges skull is, what is that?

[759] The Mitchell Hedges skull is one of the most perfect, or actually the most perfect crystal How do you spell it?

[760] M -I -C -H -E -L -H -H -E -D -G -E -S.

[761] Mitchell Hedges skull.

[762] And that skull was found in Belize by Mitchell Hedges' daughter on her birthday.

[763] And it's this crystal clear crystal that was found in the shape of a humanoid head.

[764] I mean, it's massive.

[765] It's really big.

[766] If you go to Mitchellhages .com, they have a countdown to revelation.

[767] It's gloom and doom once again.

[768] I mean, it's just crazy.

[769] It's a dope -looking skull.

[770] And what did you say about this skull?

[771] And some of them have been disproved, right?

[772] Yes.

[773] And there's no question about that.

[774] And in fact, you know, with this one here, it's so magnificent where you can actually detach the jawbone from it and which means that it's from the same crystal, which means it had to be one big freaking rock out of which this whole thing was made.

[775] And when was it found?

[776] In the early 1900s.

[777] And when Mitchell Hedges, or the actual caretaker, after Mitchell Hedges died and Anna took over or kept the skull, she and her, this other dude whose name escapes him right now, I think it's Dan Nisarino or something, they brought it in the 1960s to the labs up in the Bay Area of Hewlett -Packard.

[778] And even in the day, of course, only the best scientists worked at these particular, you know, factories and labs.

[779] And when the Hewlett -Packard scientists were done with all their research, their conclusion was very simple.

[780] And they said, and I quote, this skull should not exist.

[781] And meaning that it was, they did not find any tool marks.

[782] They did not find any polished, any evidence that this thing was polished or anything like that.

[783] And even more crazy is the fact that each crystal, it grows in a particular axis.

[784] And in order to work crystal, you have to turn the crystal at high speeds in that direction of the axis.

[785] And according to the Hewlett -Packard people, it was ground against its grain.

[786] And that would shatter every crystal that you would do this to.

[787] And the Mitchell Hedges, I mean, the Mitchell Hedges skull, it still exists, and it shouldn't.

[788] So it's a big mystery.

[789] And yes, like, you know, some crystal skulls have been determined that they are, you know, modern -day creations, but not the Mitchell Hedges' skull.

[790] again that could be another tool that we're not they used to have back in the day that we're not thinking about though right of course of course of course and so this is how you got hooked up with the history channel and then they're like we like this dude with the crazy hair let's bring them in no what do you think about Nazis no and then I got a call and I was asked you know had I heard of a book called chariots of the gods and Eric von Danik and I said of course you know we publish a magazine together and this and that And here we are today.

[791] I mean, it was just an idea to shoot a two -hour documentary 40 years after Chariots of the Gods.

[792] I got an argument with a journalist when I first came to Hollywood.

[793] It wasn't really an argument.

[794] It was a talk at one of these.

[795] They had this, it was Fox.

[796] I was on Fox.

[797] They had a party for a sitcom I was on.

[798] And the guy said, hey, can I ask you a couple of questions?

[799] And he goes, okay, so he rattles off a bunch of questions.

[800] And one of them was, do you believe in aliens?

[801] and I think I said, yeah.

[802] And he said, why?

[803] And I said, well, I saw this thing, Charriots of the Gods, and it's a pretty incredible movie, and I think it's more than possible.

[804] There's a lot of stars out there.

[805] And he started going off on how Cherries of the Gods was bullshit.

[806] And he goes, oh, it's been completely debunked.

[807] And so I'm pretty calm about that kind of stuff.

[808] I go, all right, well, how was it debunked?

[809] And he had no answer.

[810] And I said, but yet you're so convinced that it's debunked.

[811] Well, I know I read that it had been debunked.

[812] I go, but you don't remember what you read, but yet, did you read it to the gods?

[813] And he's like, no, I didn't read it but I mean, I know it's all about aliens and aliens came and made these structures and I'm like, wow, dude, you're pretty convinced, you know, it's weird, but it was like, a sensible man doesn't believe such silly things and that is the whole attitude about aliens, about extraterrestrials, or even about ancient civilizations and the sensible man doesn't buy into such nonsense.

[814] And you must have had to deal with that your whole fucking life.

[815] Oh, no, absolutely.

[816] And And that's the thing.

[817] And that's why you can just go wacky with the hair and the jewelry.

[818] And you're like, fuck it, bitch.

[819] I'm going deep.

[820] Yeah, you know, it's like, you know, deep into the crazy hole.

[821] I'm still the same guy from 10 years ago.

[822] You know, that's the thing that, you know, it's like, to me, you know, especially the Chariots of the Gods argument that, you know, from Danik has been debunked and things like that.

[823] It's like, really, I mean, have you looked at this stuff?

[824] Because the bottom line is that Charate's of the Gods had over 200 question marks in it.

[825] And you even had a freaking question mark in the fucking title.

[826] right there it was a question right it is a idea it's raising questions and if those questions happen to be uncomfortable questions well you know what so be it because a couple of them are wrong you're talking about a lot of goddamn questions in that book here's the thing let me let me ask you this when was the last time you saw a scientist or any author or whatever give a you know 30 years after their first publication and say well, you know, on page so -and -so, I made a mistake.

[827] When Chariots of the Gods came out as the 35 -year edition, the 35 -year anniversary edition, Eric wrote a 16 -page preface to the new edition, and in that he pointed out exactly which mistakes he made in the 1960 or 1970 book on what page.

[828] on, you know, what happened here.

[829] For example, one example is the that iron pillar in New Delhi.

[830] For a long time, you know, we thought that this might be something that is of extraterrestrial origin or at least that extraterrestrials taught these metallurgists how to pour this pillar of iron because up to that time, it didn't corrode, it didn't rust, and it had been around for many, many years.

[831] you know, hundreds and hundreds of years.

[832] And guess what?

[833] The thing is rusting today.

[834] It's corroding.

[835] So, you know what?

[836] That piece of evidence out the window.

[837] You know what?

[838] Who cares?

[839] Because the conclusion is that it, in case a piece of evidence turns out to be wrong or false, if you eliminate that piece of evidence, it only makes the overall theory stronger because you eliminate false stuff.

[840] So to suggest that just because there were a few mistakes in Chariads of the Gods, which Eric openly admitted to, that doesn't mean that the whole ancient alien theory all of a sudden becomes irrelevant.

[841] On the contrary, it makes it more stronger.

[842] And the fact that today, especially on the show Ancient Aliens, I mean, by the way, tomorrow is the premiere of Season 3.

[843] I'm very excited about that.

[844] What's going on?

[845] What's going on on, season 3?

[846] Can you preview us?

[847] Can you tell us, give us some scoops?

[848] any Nazi stuff?

[849] There is definitely stuff in there that has not been explored in the previous season.

[850] The History Channel needs to combine Nazis, UFOs, and ghosts together.

[851] And colors and monsters.

[852] One all fucking smash -em -up show.

[853] And, you know, so...

[854] I lost my train of thought.

[855] The new season of the History Channel, ancient alien special.

[856] Especially now in season three, it's amazing how many university professors have come forward and agreed to be on a show called ancient fucking aliens are you kidding me the fact that university professors because as you know you you're in TV you have to disclose what show you're calling from or what show you're going to be on you can't just you know put a question mark there so the fact that university professors are now coming forward especially for season three to to appear on that show I mean, that speaks volumes.

[857] I mean, it's huge that all of a sudden, you know, Eric Fondannick and Childress and I and Martell and Coppins, we're surrounded by people from MIT talking about ancient aliens.

[858] And what exactly these professors on about?

[859] What is their subjects of expertise?

[860] What are they testifying about?

[861] We, for example, in this episode that airs tomorrow, aliens and the Old West, we have professors, not only do we have elders, Native American elders who are talking about the idea of star people in the ancient American West, but also there are professors that we've gotten from universities and curators of museums where they corroborate the stories about the star people.

[862] And so...

[863] Like how do they do that?

[864] Well, because they they are, they have access to many, many recordings that were written down by, you know, a previous, in the Old West, things for the first time would be able to be recorded because in ancient Native American times, their traditions were brought from generation to generation.

[865] Spoken words, exactly.

[866] And then when, you know, white man came, I guess, unfortunately, you know, the whole thing was recorded all of a sudden.

[867] And so we have very old recordings talking about these star people that came allegedly a long time ago.

[868] And so that is a huge, huge part of our theory that there are entire cultures, for example, Native Americans that talk about the, Kachina is descending from the sky in flying shields and they were very adamant because of course Native Americans, you know, believe in the spiritual realm.

[869] There's no question, but they're also very adamant to say that there are two worlds.

[870] There is the spiritual realm and then there is also the physical realm and that the star people were part of the physical realm.

[871] and here we are to say oh well you know they didn't know what they were talking because they were just all high they were getting that peyote which you know I mean of course I mean there is not one culture in the world that did not dabble in in mind -altering drugs I mean it's just a a complete it's who we are as a people there is no question about that but at the same time there were always these different levels that yes there's an absolute no doubt in my mind that the spiritual realm does exist but we also have a physical realm in which our ancestors said that somebody came in a physical form so you think that there's probably some sort of an advanced life or some sort of a different life in a in a non -material form as well yeah like there's some sort of a spiritual realm one hundred dimension or absolutely of something else some sort of intelligent life and then there's physical life as well and you know me i'm the nuts and bolts alien guy right but at the same time i would be a fool to deny or to even suggest that that a ethereal realm does not exist because that would render our physical world completely useless if if that's all there is because a lot of people are saying well you know if you die all it's going to happen is that you know they're going to basically just pulled a plug from the computer hard drive and things like that.

[872] And that's usually the argument that they give.

[873] But the bottom line is that's not necessarily true because if you keep your computer in a very safe place and you can leave it there unplugged for a million years, if you find a power source a million years down the road and you plug that computer back in, guess what?

[874] Everything on that hard drive is still there.

[875] So what if the heart drive is the soul?

[876] And therefore, once we die, our soul goes with us.

[877] That's who we are as an essence.

[878] Yes, we will leave this body.

[879] But at the same time, energy does not die.

[880] It goes on in some form.

[881] So to suggest that after this life, it's all over, I cannot process that.

[882] What do you think of Kurtzweil and Ray Kurzweil's ideas of downloading human consciousness into intelligent computers and the idea of you will be able to duplicate yourself and live forever in some sort of a cyber environment.

[883] I think it's fascinating.

[884] What happens with the spiritual version of you if that takes place?

[885] Well, maybe then that's where you live inside that cyber world.

[886] Zombies.

[887] Yeah, no, but the thing is you see, and that's why movies like The Matrix are so, the first one, was so wonderful because those are all, you know, fantastic and interesting ideas, but to me, I'm a big subscriber to reincarnation.

[888] And what I find, because of energy not being able to die.

[889] And I think our soul, our essence, is energy.

[890] It's part of this all -encompassing force that to me is the universe or God.

[891] And so, you know, if you have, if you look, for example, at the Dalai Lama or a lot of Buddhists, you know, who believe in reincarnation or or Hindus and things like that.

[892] They always talk about how you will get reincarnated here on planet Earth as another being or another animal or whatever.

[893] But see, to me, that's all very limited thinking because while I do subscribe to reincarnation, there is no way, in my opinion, that we would only reincarnate here on Earth.

[894] We can reincarnate throughout the entire universe.

[895] And that is why some people, when they come back to Earth, they're considered maybe old souls, or they're more intuitive to everything that they might have been here before.

[896] So you think there's one universal bank of souls for the entire universe and that everybody has to tip into it no matter what, you know, you're on planet fucking serious or whatever, you know, you all dip from the same souls and so like you could die here and then reemerge on planet, go fuck yourself in the middle of nowhere.

[897] Yeah, and somehow, and somehow with, but somehow with the same quote -unquote instincts or knowledge because there is something that's out there it's called the eternal spirit.

[898] And that is that we all consist of particles and elements.

[899] And every 60 days, our entire bodies are completely recycled.

[900] Because, I mean, we're completely changing.

[901] I think it's every seven years.

[902] Oh, okay.

[903] Well, whatever it is, it's the complete recycling of a body, which is absolutely mind -boggling.

[904] Yeah, it's pretty crazy that it's seven years.

[905] And we're being bombarded by this cosmic dust.

[906] that is what we consist of.

[907] And this one French philosopher, Jean Choran, in his book called The Eternal Spirit or the Eternal Particle suggested that each time one of our particles in our body travels through the universe, no matter what it passes through, if it's a stone or some type of a being or something, it records everything.

[908] And so, you know, each and every particle contains, the knowledge of the entire universe and that's within us.

[909] I mean, it's such...

[910] I've heard that theory of things recording things by Rupert Scheldrake has a...

[911] You know who he is?

[912] Yes.

[913] He has some sort of theory that things contain memory.

[914] Yes.

[915] Like houses, tables, chairs.

[916] Because we're all made of the same stuff.

[917] And if that, you know, if these particles all record the same stuff, then, you know, we are all one.

[918] See, if you take a piece of skin...

[919] and you put it underneath the electron microscope and you go deeper and deeper and deeper and deeper everything wobbles everything vibrates it's all you know exciting down there and uh you know that's just we are we consist of vibration it's all frequency it's all harmonics now you take a piece of this metal cup right here which is considered to be inorganic or dead material and you put a little piece under the same electron microscope and you go deeper and deeper and deeper at the very very core it's the exact same thing and I would challenge you for a hundred bucks to tell me which is which nobody can tell the difference unless you know which the subatomic level exactly which means we all exist of the same stuff don't we all exist actually as nothing I mean isn't like most of the universe nothing absolutely and the universe is mostly atoms and most atoms are almost entirely nothing.

[920] And we consist of nothing, too, because while we can touch ourselves and touch other people and the sensation of touch and all this, it's all complete, it's magnetism.

[921] You should use that as a molester in a trial.

[922] You know, grab some chick's ass and go, I touch nothing.

[923] There's nothing to touch.

[924] There's nothing there.

[925] I have a question.

[926] A lot of the stuff you're saying, I agree with.

[927] And a lot of stuff you're saying, Edgar Casey, for instance, he was He believed in the Akashik records, and he could put himself under hypnosis, right?

[928] Self -hypnosis, and then when he was under self -hypnosis, he became this brilliant, all -knowing man, and he had a third -grade education, and he said that all this information can be tapped into by anybody.

[929] You just got to learn, like meditation is part of it, and that's why there's a big, you know, meditation's huge, and yoga's huge, because once you master meditation, you actually can tap into the Akashic records, which holds the answers to everything.

[930] Were you an Edgar Casey fan?

[931] Did you follow him at all?

[932] No, actually.

[933] I really don't know much about him, but it is true that, you see, we only use about 5 % of our entire brain power.

[934] Is that really true?

[935] I've heard that's been debunked.

[936] Well, even if, let's say, let's say it's 10%.

[937] I don't even think that's true.

[938] I think they've debunked it.

[939] I think that was back when people were ignorant is about the functions of different areas of the brain, and now they've attributed different areas of the brain to different functions.

[940] And I think the more they understand about the brain, the more they realize that that's a misnomer.

[941] Have you driven down to 405?

[942] Yeah, I have.

[943] Do you still believe we use more?

[944] I'm not saying that these people are thinking well.

[945] They even said, like, if you use more than 10 % at the same time, it was just going to seizures and stuff like that.

[946] I think that's all horseshit.

[947] I think that's all been disproven.

[948] I'm almost positive, yeah.

[949] Well, go ahead and say what you were saying.

[950] Well, anyway, so the idea, let's operate under the assumption that, you know, we only use about 5 to 8 % of our total brain power.

[951] This one guy suggested a philosopher.

[952] He said that the brain is the last untamed beast in the universe.

[953] And that is true because every single thing that we see each day, every single thing that we hear, everything that we say, our brains records it.

[954] Everything is there.

[955] Everything is there permanently for eternity in our brains.

[956] The only problem is we can't access the information.

[957] And then, of course, there are people who are great at, you know, memorizing lines or memorizing texts or whatever, or, you know, or have photographic memory.

[958] Or autism where they could remember.

[959] Well, you know, and also, you know, normally, quote -unquote, functioning people.

[960] I mean, you know, it's amazing how, you know, some people have the quote -unquote gift to recall certain things, and some people don't.

[961] And that is where, I think, you know, the last frontier lies that we could conceivably, you know, access way more of our brain power.

[962] And then you could move proverbial mountains.

[963] The 10 % of the brain is absolutely a myth.

[964] Yeah?

[965] Yeah, it's absolutely been proven.

[966] It is actually a misinterpretation, a misquote of Albert Einstein, or the misinterpretation of the work of Pierre Florens in the 1800s.

[967] We use 100 % of our brain.

[968] They have it mapped out.

[969] They know what part of your brain works for different areas.

[970] They did not know at a certain point in time and history, and that's when people started, you know, kind of chirping that and saying it back and forth.

[971] So through the wonders of the Internet, we just cleared that up.

[972] See, and this is why you never stop learning.

[973] Never.

[974] Every day you learn something new.

[975] What do you think about all this Nazi shit?

[976] Because one of the things that's fascinating about the ancient aliens show is how much the Nazis were into the occult and the Mahabharata and trying to recreate things that were in ancient scriptures.

[977] I mean, the Indiana Jones thing, they kind of got into it with the...

[978] What is it called?

[979] The Ark of the Covenant and that there's...

[980] Holy Grail.

[981] There's something to it.

[982] And the Nazis were obsessed with that shit.

[983] But if they were just some fucking cooks, you know, which they clearly were in one way, but they were also so fucking advanced with rocketry and with science and, you know, I mean, so many companies came out of Nazi Germany, you know.

[984] There's, I mean, just Germany period.

[985] Forget the Nazis.

[986] I mean, Porsche started there, you know, BMW.

[987] Some, so many sophisticated engineers, they were so advanced.

[988] What the fuck was there a big thing about UFO?

[989] What was the whole Nazi UFO connection?

[990] Because that was one of the most fascinating ancient aliens to me. Yeah, no, look, I mean, there's definitely something that can be said about this.

[991] And the whole idea, because many scholars say that, you know, Hitler and the Nazis were never into the occult.

[992] And that is simply untrue because we have found, or they found documents, because the Nazis were immaculate record keepers, as we know.

[993] It says that these expeditions to the North Pole to find openings at the North Pole and the South Pole, that these expeditions truly did exist, that the real society and the Tula Society really existed and things like that.

[994] And I personally find fascinating, but I've got to be honest with you, you know, that to me, it's not ancient enough to talk about.

[995] It was because I was 70 years ago.

[996] And, you see, my ancient aliens, you know, some people consider 70 -year -old people ancient, but, you know, I don't.

[997] So my aliens happen thousands of years ago.

[998] So you're a Sumerian, Mesopotamian -type...

[999] Egyptian and ancient Greece and things like that.

[1000] But at the same time, you know, you just never know.

[1001] And it would be foolish to not listen to those stories or to look at these opinions because you just never know.

[1002] be open at all times.

[1003] Isn't there like a bunch of vases and paintings that have like old drawings of aliens on them and stuff like that?

[1004] Have those been disproven or have those because I've seen a few of them where they're like, yeah, this is an alien.

[1005] I'm like, yeah, or it's just a guy that has his head shaved and the artist sucks, you know?

[1006] I mean, have you done any research on that kind of stuff?

[1007] Yeah, no. I mean, look, one of the greatest quote unquote pieces of evidence that we have is, you know, the carvings that we find, but also the figurines and drawings on vases, like what you were saying.

[1008] And there really are compelling figurines and compelling drawings that compared to modern days are eerily similar to modern -day astronaut suits.

[1009] And, you know, a lot of times the debunkers are like, okay, so.

[1010] So you're suggesting that the aliens were here and why on Earth would they wear the same suits or why would they need suits like our modern day astronauts?

[1011] Because they were a little more advanced to us.

[1012] Right, exactly.

[1013] They were us in 100 years.

[1014] Well, we would need suits.

[1015] Right.

[1016] But that's the exact argument that, you know, if we can't go to the moon without a suit, so why would aliens, if they're, you know, oxygen -based people as we are, or people that need to breathe oxygen for.

[1017] for their life support, so to suggest that aliens are so vastly different than us, I have a hard time with that.

[1018] I mean, there's some people that have suggested that aliens are just these, you know, blobs of slime.

[1019] And I'm like, okay, that's possible, but, you know, that would define nature, because nature is very efficient.

[1020] And I think that the building blocks of the requirements for life are pretty much given throughout the entire U .S. universe.

[1021] And so that if something happens here, you know, to think that aliens would exist like in the Hollywood movies, that's a bit too much for me. I mean, look, it's great entertainment, but do I think that that is how it is in reality?

[1022] Not really.

[1023] I think that we're all pretty much, you know, the same out there.

[1024] You know, more advanced, obviously, but looks wise, because all those ancient carvings or descriptions and paintings that we have, you know, we have, you know, more advanced, obviously, but looks wise, because all those ancient carvings or descriptions you know, especially if you look at the ancient Hindu gods, they look like us, beautiful, but just with blue skin, for example.

[1025] But they weren't, they didn't have four, well in India, yes, they did have 20 arms.

[1026] But, you know, so, you know, it's definitely something to be said that, you know, we think that we have depictions that show potential extraterrestrial visitors in the past.

[1027] You must dominate some late -night hippie pussy sitting around with some, you know what I'm saying?

[1028] Sitting around smoking weed with some chicks at a party and you drop some of this ancient alien knowledge.

[1029] Dude, you must just knock it out of the fucking park.

[1030] Or should I say, have in the past, or should I say have the potential to?

[1031] I don't say you use it for evil.

[1032] Never evil, never evil.

[1033] Do you believe in, or what do you think about the reptilian shapes?

[1034] shape -shifting genre.

[1035] Complete nonsense.

[1036] But David Ike has so many good points.

[1037] Complete nonsense.

[1038] He's got so many good points about other things.

[1039] But you mentioned shape -shifting earlier.

[1040] Yes, of course.