#535 - Scroobius Pip

[0] Joe Rogan podcast checking out The Joe Rogan Experience Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night All day What's happening, fella?

[1] I'm good man, how you doing this?

[2] It's been cool to talk to you from the moment you got here 25 plus minutes ago, been hanging out We did a lot of talking with Jack Black who's a very cool dude Been telling us some crazy stories of Russia But yeah He was telling us some, Robin Black was telling us some awesome stories of these Russian dudes that he partied with these sumo wrestlers it was insane what he was saying was like it was so ridiculous the stories of excess and drinking and waking up covered in urine and we videotaped it so Jamie Jamie would put that shit up later but it was really funny he was a cool dude man I really like Robin yeah a good guy yeah interesting guy from another country he is as are you sir yes indeed I am yeah all the way from England I saw your shit on my message board It was the first time I saw your shit.

[3] Some people had put up, one of the videos was of you, you're cutting your hair.

[4] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[5] Intradiction.

[6] That's a great fucking rap, dude.

[7] That's really fun.

[8] Spent £100 on that video.

[9] Did you?

[10] That was my complete budget.

[11] Can we play that?

[12] Yeah, yeah.

[13] Go ahead.

[14] Let's play that.

[15] Let's play that and talk about it.

[16] Brian, pull it up.

[17] It's an interdiction.

[18] You got to tell them I spell it.

[19] I can't spell.

[20] It's my fault as well for picking a name that's ridiculously hard.

[21] to spell and pronounce and yeah it's it's scrupious pip's a tough one for twitter it's not easy no easy to fit in some people do they try oh you yeah yeah they try oh us yeah hmm screws yeah they get it in the end eventually here we go i saw the dead fish on the pavement and thought what did you expect there's no water around this stupid should have stayed where it was wet you gotta see this how long my name is pip and i would like to speak some lyrics into this micro This amplified so you can hear it.

[22] This piece of diction is the intro to distraction pieces.

[23] That's all the shit that flies around my head and keeps me sleepless.

[24] Such little food for all my fucking brain feels anorexic.

[25] So many typos when I write, oh I'll claim I'm dyslexic.

[26] I've got your poem here.

[27] I've put it in this envelope.

[28] I'm setting fire to it.

[29] Hope you all can read the smoke.

[30] Most people where I live don't know me and I fucking like it.

[31] Some people where I live don't like me and I fucking know it.

[32] Some heads won't know my name or give me a look since I live.

[33] A flow kind of strange, that's fine a bit for the footprint.

[34] Original, I stole this flow from the creator, and from some others too, can't think run out, I'll name them later.

[35] If I say fuck a lot, well then I may gain more attention.

[36] If I say cun, well then with some of you there will be tension.

[37] I find this interesting, because in the end they are just words.

[38] You give them power when you cower, man. It's so absurd.

[39] But all that was covered by Lily Bruce back in the day.

[40] Nothing's original.

[41] Now I'm repeating what I say Paranusical use to running fits I'll brandish the blindest man's anguish with a ram -vist Directed at the throat of any man that can withstands These rappers that say things like no homo and such It always seems maybe the lady duck protest too much I'm really speechless but I speakless than you might imagine Sometimes I stutter and I spot I'm known to write about the shit most people won't discuss Sometimes I'm using too intrusive with their words and such You see a mousetrap, I see free cheese and a fucking chuck balance, but you say quiet, the fear of tipping the balance, when it's horses for courses of our horses distorted.

[42] I bought it for four quick and poor.

[43] That is great.

[44] That's really fun, man. That's really fun.

[45] I really enjoy that.

[46] I thought the lyrics were cool.

[47] I like how he did it.

[48] It was interesting.

[49] It's crazy because we filmed that in just a metal container and the guy we'd rented it off.

[50] We didn't tell him what the fuck we were doing because I figured we can only do it in one take because I've got to shave my head and shit.

[51] So I thought if he doesn't if we ask him he can say no right if we do it he can just tell us off afterwards and yeah and that's that so as it finished obviously there's tons of fire we're setting and shut on fire and we have the doors closed because of lighting oh so in a metal container just burning everything and then I piled out with smoke bellowing and the guy just walked past and just went pipped I don't even want to know and walked on I was like good man good man you've saved the day what a great scene you're coming out of a video shoot and it's fine fire hanging off of me fire Your head shaved.

[52] Your head shaved and the fucking door opens to a storage container and there's smoke bellowing out.

[53] What a great scene.

[54] That's rock and roll, man. That's some real shit.

[55] It's the beauty of directing all your own videos is you don't have to do health and safety shit.

[56] You don't have to tick that off.

[57] There's no one to say you can't do that.

[58] It's like, yeah, we can fucking do that.

[59] How did you get started rapping, man?

[60] Well, do you consider that rap?

[61] Yeah, kind of.

[62] I mean, I started off in spoken words.

[63] So I started off just kind of with no beats, but I was into hip -hop.

[64] And again, a lot of people hear spoken word and think that sounds shit, basically, and poetry and that.

[65] But I was exactly the same.

[66] Well, spoken word has potential, right?

[67] I mean, what do people like?

[68] I mean, people love.

[69] I have a dream.

[70] I have a dream is goddamn spoken word.

[71] I mean, Martin Luther King's, I have a dream speech.

[72] It's why I always refer to it as spoken word rather than poetry or anything else, because that's the most literal.

[73] Right.

[74] Do you know what I mean, a really, an intricate stand -up set that's like one piece, that's a whole story.

[75] That's spoken word.

[76] Does the word poetry, does poet, does that have a bad connotation, like a pretentious connotation?

[77] It puts people off and people kind of think you're a dick.

[78] Yeah, you're a dick, right?

[79] If you say, I remember, I was at the comedy cellar in New York, and David Tells on stage, and he's killing.

[80] And there's this snotty fuck in the audience.

[81] And for some reason, the guy took offense to one of Dave's jokes and says something.

[82] and Dave's like well I'm sorry sir I'm just up here trying to do some jokes what do you do for a living sir you know he's fucking and the guy goes I'm a poet published and I'll never forget that and for a year I was saying that to people I'm a poet published like for ages when trying to get insurance and shit like that I'd just I'd try and explain what I do and then just go with unemployed or self -employed because I'm putting poetry on my thing that's I never forget that asshole I'm a poet published and he had like fashionable clothes on and shit you know he's just oh he totally lives at home still with his mom I bet David Tell doesn't even remember it but I remember it it wasn't even me that got heckled fuckheads but yes obviously I'm not in love with poetry but I started doing it because I was in kind of like some some punk bands and shit like that and I got sick of relying on drummers their mom like giving him a lift to to practice and the bassist can't make it because he's working a night shift and shit like that.

[83] So I was looking at what I could do and succeed or fail on my own.

[84] I love the buzz of the fact that if it went well, it's my fault.

[85] If I fail, I can't say, oh, it's this other guy's fault.

[86] That's a real problem with bands, huh?

[87] Eddie Bravo was trying to explain to me, like, the trials and tribulations that the average band goes through.

[88] And I was thinking about it when we had the conversation.

[89] I never even thought about that before.

[90] But dealing with all those egos together.

[91] And then also some people that are just undisciplined.

[92] yeah completely some people who aren't as passionate about it as you are or it's just a fun thing for them and equally like accepting gigs and shit and shit like that you have to ring through like four or five other people to say can we accept this gig it's like yeah it's awful to me yeah that's kind of why i started doing spoken word um yes so i could do it all off my own back it was just a hate of being in bands really you know what i like about what you did too um for whatever reason there's a lot of guys who speak a certain way and then when they perform rap it sounds like an urban black guy yeah completely it's very strange it's like what what happened that you had to start doing it like this because that's not how you would talk in real life miss is you know i was raised in the hood but i'm strong from my you know what you know it's there's there's like it blows my mind that people the most common thing that people say to me after shows and that is like oh you sound exactly like you're doing record it's because this is my voice that's this is me talking that's yeah there is an article really recently about why people with British accent sing in an American accent.

[93] You know, I don't remember what the fucking conclusion was.

[94] I barely paid attention.

[95] I looked at it.

[96] I'm like, who cares?

[97] They just choose to.

[98] You know, you can choose.

[99] But if there's a difference between an English guy choosing to sound American and an American guy choosing to sound British.

[100] Because if an English guy comes over to America and loses his British accent, nobody's going to give him a hard time about it.

[101] Yeah.

[102] But if an American guy takes on a British accent, get the fuck out of here.

[103] Madonna can live in London until her tits fall off.

[104] You're not British.

[105] Cut it out.

[106] You cut it out.

[107] You cut it out, Madonna.

[108] You don't get a fucking bought a house there.

[109] That rich bitch, she bought a house there just as she could talk in an English accent.

[110] I just want to be one of the lords.

[111] Come on.

[112] I am Madonna.

[113] I am a dancer slash singer slash superstar.

[114] Was Madonna knighted?

[115] She should be.

[116] and fucking what's his name Elton John I was listening to Country Comfort on the way over here Just randomly Sometimes like my iPhone sinks up with my car And it just will play You know how it does it sometimes I'll just play a random song And it just started playing It's on one of my playlist But that Elton John song Country Comfort That motherfucker could sing his ass off God damn Elton John's good You're just like There's so much emotion and power in his songs You know it's just like It takes you right to to what he's saying like it's a about grandma needing help to fix her barn you know like this and you're like you're seeing the whole thing play out you're seeing fields of wheat and butterflies and an old lady and Elton John's a bad motherfucker but does he sound like Elton drum when he sings that's not really right?

[117] It's kind of it's not really an American accent though is it?

[118] It's kind of hard to say it's hard to say because when you're singing you're extending these words you mean he's saying farm I mean, it's taking him like 10 seconds.

[119] Yeah.

[120] She needs some help to run the phone.

[121] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[122] Nobody talks like that.

[123] So I mean, I've got a stutter, so I do kind of talk like that.

[124] This might end up being a really long podcast because I'm going to stay.

[125] They're normally three hours.

[126] This will be like six hours, seven hours.

[127] So lock yourselves in.

[128] Yeah, there's a, singing's a weird thing, man. Singing's a beautiful thing.

[129] But spoken word to music is a very different thing.

[130] Spoken word to music, it's very lyrical, um, uh, lyrical.

[131] dependent.

[132] That's the word for it.

[133] It's like, that was what I really enjoyed about your stuff, is it was very clever.

[134] I could see that you put a lot of thought into your lyrics and what you're, you know, and I love the thing about Lenny Bruce.

[135] It's like, you know, you covered it in a really cool way.

[136] And then you could also tell it was one take.

[137] Yeah, it's, it's trying to, whenever I'm writing, it's, the main goal is to make it interesting to me kind of thing.

[138] And that's what I think confuses me about a lot of hip -hop when it is all just talking about the same thing.

[139] It's get bored performing that or doing that over and over again so it's kind of you know what that exists i think in every art form i bet it exists in rock and roll i bet it i mean i know it exists in comedy you know there's there's certain subjects that guys will cover when you can tell they're covering it because they think that the audience wants to hear that and it's not like what's actually interesting to them yeah i can't imagine getting excited finishing a line or finishing a piece that's just exactly that kind of oh i think people will yeah enjoy that Well, there's a lot of people that do do that, though.

[140] It's weird, like those hipmaker guys who, like, sit down, they write these songs that they know specifically will hit, like, a target nerve.

[141] See, I understand that because they're writing that for someone else to have to perform and sell their sold every night to kind of sing and get through.

[142] I can understand that because they're just going, I'm going to write this and make a fuck ton of money and then hand this over to some other guy to jump up there.

[143] Wasn't there a band where the lead singer was, like, one of those guys that would, like, write songs for a lot of, like train didn't isn't that what i'm thinking of no but what was that there's just what the fuck was train there was this one band fuck i'm not gonna remember i'm not gonna remember but i remember this guy as big as the one he writes the songs four well he made one that he released himself and it was pretty recently it was it was a big hit but it was like one of those songs where like i couldn't get into it because it was like it was well done but i could tell that it was like a calculated thing.

[144] It's ticking all the boxes.

[145] It's got a formula that makes it work.

[146] Yeah, as opposed to, like, there's certain songs, you know, where, like, you don't even know why you like it.

[147] Like, there's this old Leonard Skinner song, The Battle of Curtis Lowe.

[148] Yeah.

[149] You know, and it's one of those songs where, like, the ballad, rather, of Curtis Lowe.

[150] And it's one of those songs where you hear it, you don't even know what is going on that this song is just, captivating me in such a unique way like making me emotional like making me feel that moment you can tell when they feel like they've been written I like that like one of the things I liked about when that song intradiction kind of blew up was no one kind of noticed for ages that it's not got a chorus it's not got a hook it's not got anything and it was kind of but people didn't notice that because they were kind of captivated and into it and didn't think about all right you meant to kind of go verse chorus chorus verse core bridge you know this kind of shit so it's kind of nice when that works and you can tell it's just here's just just what came out and what yeah but you piece that together right like that's a piece like you started working on that you developed it do you when you when you do something like that and you develop a piece do you write it all out and like what like how long is that whole song it's about three and a half minutes or so three and a half minutes yeah and do you do you develop it at three and a half minutes do you add to it along the way like Is it completely written before you ever get to the stage?

[151] Yeah, it's all completely written before I get to the stage.

[152] A lot of that song in particular, I mean, I'm noting stuff on my phone all the time and just, yeah, I'm making note of just good lines or good ideas or topics or subjects.

[153] Like maybe you have like a new line that just pops in your head and you want to add it to it.

[154] I mean, in my notes always, I'm going to have something awful in there now.

[155] But it will just be notes, even if it's just, even if it isn't a line or a turn of phrase, my last note was saying about how loads of rappers at the moment are going on about going beast mode and beast mode being a thing i've just written one saying do one about going depesh mode he said that's literally there i've not structured that yet right right right it's just right i'll do something with that so then on a song like that because a lot of my songs are stories as well though so but one like that it's easy to go through all these kind of weird little ideas or phrases or even like bits of philosophy and shit like that that just to go right i'll put that in there right right that's the coolest thing about creating your own stuff right is that you could just decide yeah what goes in you could decide and it's just i mean the thing that i buzz about it the most is that you don't know what's good until you put it out there yeah i genuinely on on that one there's a line uh you see a mousetrap i see free cheese and a fucking challenge right um it was just one of loads of lines and then when that came out it's the one that everyone was going crazy on and everyone was tweeting it's like i had no idea that that was stand out because you're so in in it that yeah yeah it's got so much you're putting together so that was one of many standout that that whole thing there's a lot of great lyrics in that but yeah that's definitely a standout part of it that's uh that's that's really cool man i love anything like that where it's like one guy piecing something together where it's whether it's music or whether it's a book like talking to an author about creating a book or whether it's a stand -up comedian creating an act or a guy writing a you know a movie or anything it's just there's something about that creative process and there's so much more now where that's so much more acceptable and doable because of the internet and because of being out to get whatever your one passion is out there that you can kind of just be it doesn't have to be a team of right as a team of people doing this and that you can find a lot more people have got that just one vision yeah and then just yeah see what it turns into yeah yeah and when you like have this one thing that comes out of your own mind and you put it together and you it's like we were talking about this with comedy like when somebody becomes a pip fan like you're the only one that can give them that stuff yeah it's crazy then it's they're looking to see what comes out of your head yeah you know it's crazy as as as as as well though and again I'm sure it's the same with stand up it's that weird thing of all of it as much as you put into it it's just what you think at the time so like but then it's committed to record and that's that so right a five years down the line, my opinions or views might, or I'd hope my opinions and views will change in general, not on everything, but I think it's important to develop ideas and philosophies constantly.

[156] So it's then that weird thing that people will have got that first record and being, have listened to that one phrase or thing over and over and it's become their kind of mantra.

[157] And then you're like, yeah, I kind of, I'm not into that as much anymore.

[158] I'm kind of into this shit now.

[159] This is what's going on now.

[160] And it's weird how that, yeah, that can be the thing that you can either give them what they need or you can't, if you know what I mean.

[161] Right.

[162] It's natural development.

[163] Hip -hop seems to be, in a way, a lot like stand -up comedy in that it's kind of generic in term.

[164] Yep.

[165] But it's very broad in terms of content.

[166] It's very different, right?

[167] It's stupid people who say, I love comedy or I love hip -hop.

[168] Yeah.

[169] You love specific comedy and specific hip -pop.

[170] There's loads of shit -comedy.

[171] There's loads of shit -spoken word.

[172] I like good comedy hip -hop and so, you know, I've got my specifics I like.

[173] So, yeah, it's another one that a guy, I work where sometimes Sage Francis was saying in an interview recently, it's got to the point now where when people talk about hip -hop, he can't assume that they're talking about the same thing as him.

[174] And again, I think that's, it's because it's so broad.

[175] There's such a variation in there.

[176] Yeah, yeah, there's a giant broad variation.

[177] And it's interesting.

[178] It's like if you went to a club and it just said rock and roll, Well, you'd know it would be rock and roll, but if you went to a club just said music.

[179] Well, hip hop is like, it's such a very specific type of music, but inside the genre, there's like a bunch of different variables, right?

[180] Yeah, hugely, again, like, when I first started off and I was touring about and trying to get my name out there, I'd struggle to describe what I do.

[181] Because if I said hip hop and people instantly thought of 50 cent, or came because of 50 cent or can't you?

[182] It's like, you're not going to be happy with what you get or equally.

[183] They might be put off because they're not into that.

[184] And it's like, well, this might not be.

[185] Right.

[186] They might think that you would, you know, you would be affecting a certain type of behavior.

[187] Exactly.

[188] They think I'm going to speak in an American accent and be.

[189] Are you allowed to say Whigger?

[190] Is Whigger a...

[191] Wigger.

[192] It's okay to say Wigga.

[193] Wigga.

[194] Has it become an issue?

[195] It doesn't seem like it.

[196] Like, you can call someone that and it's not like dropping an N -bomb.

[197] Right.

[198] Like, even though it sounds a lot like it, with a W, you're allowed to let it slide.

[199] It's fine.

[200] And don't have a heart out here.

[201] But there is that kind and then there's what you're doing, which is like a completely different thing.

[202] Like you're talking and you're making shit rhyme, but you're also making statements and it's very entertaining.

[203] But it's a form of hip -hop, but it's a very different form of hip -hop.

[204] Yeah, yeah, completely.

[205] And it's key.

[206] The entertainment part is key as well because I think a lot of people who do the more conscious stuff, it's just like, yeah, it's a lecture.

[207] You know what I mean?

[208] You kind of just being fed this and it feels like they're trying to get across just how intelligent they are and all this.

[209] I'm kind of, in all my stuff, it's trying to open up discussion rather than say, here's the beginning and end of this subject.

[210] It's kind of saying, look, here's some shit that we should maybe all think about a bit more or discuss in music or culture in general more, but not trying to say, I've got all the answers.

[211] Here's, yeah, here's my shit, I think.

[212] Yeah, yeah.

[213] I love the fact that there's so many different genres in hip -hop now, because I think that I've always been a fan.

[214] I'm a fan of all kinds of different.

[215] Like, I'm a fan of all kinds of different.

[216] I'm a fan of your style, but I'm also, like, a big fan of, like, old school ghetto boys.

[217] Yeah, yeah, completely.

[218] I've got a radio show in the UK.

[219] Damn, it feels good to be a gangster came on the radio the other day, and I was like, fuck, this is the shit.

[220] This song is the shit.

[221] A favorite thing is when I'm in LA is because you've got radio stations that just play just old hip -hop and proper kind of hip -hop all day long, and, yeah, I don't have that in the UK.

[222] I miss Scarface.

[223] Yeah.

[224] Was Scarface still putting out shit?

[225] He put out a new track like six months ago.

[226] I need to get back in a scarface.

[227] I forgot what a good rapper he is.

[228] Damn, it feels good to be a gangster.

[229] And that album cover with a guy's eyeball hanging out?

[230] Yeah.

[231] We can't be stopped.

[232] Ghetto boys, man. That's Bushwick Bill.

[233] Shot himself in the eye.

[234] They were the craziest.

[235] Yeah.

[236] That was some fun fucking music, man. My mind's playing tricks on me. do do do do do do I was Joe I was uh when I was in a Florida for doing comedy just last weekend there was this fetish con going on and we so it was like Mark Marin and uh you know Chris Hardrick and a few of us just all hanging out at this bar watching all these freaks it was like being at like a AVN with dominatrixes and people in gimp suits and stuff like that wow and there was this one this guy that was dressed up as a woman with a face mask on and she just stared at us and didn't move and the face mask had this creepy like smile on it and it was the most disturbing thing ever I have a photo of it somewhere all just fetish people yeah just fetish people and then in Jacksonville I went to this borough bar and uh there was a band that was about to start in the next room and out of nowhere this band jumps off stage and goes into the room that were the bar area that we're at and starts playing right into the crowd like jumping on like like the tables of the bar and stuff and then at the end they caught the symbols on fire and the place was like on fire it was the most intense amazing band i've ever seen and it was just like a band i just popped into a bar and and saw this amazing band and so if you should check out a video sometime of them it's they're really interesting band but it's cool seeing like live what do they call again uh their name is doc oh hold i want to make sure i say this right doc uh suey or something like that it's uh spell it here i'll get it to well to people online that are listening yeah yeah here i'll find it i'll find the proper spelling i'll be right back.

[237] Okay.

[238] All right.

[239] Um, I don't know where the fuck we were going before you just derailed the conversation.

[240] Sorry, it's D -A -I -K -A -J -U.

[241] And you thought that Scroobius PIP was tough.

[242] Huh?

[243] Yeah, right?

[244] That's ridiculous.

[245] And here's actually them playing outdoors, which is completely different than what you'd normally see.

[246] But the lead singer, the guy right there in the face mask, has the same mask that was at the Fetish Khan that was just staring at us the whole time.

[247] Wow, this is kind of wild.

[248] If you could imagine them in a small bar and like things are on fire.

[249] Stand it right in front of you with that mom.

[250] These are good.

[251] These guys are good.

[252] That guy's a bad motherfucker.

[253] Imagine.

[254] Imagine if you couldn't hear and you didn't hear sound and you were trying to figure out what the fuck.

[255] Make this totally silent.

[256] Imagine if you didn't hear sound and you see all this moving around and see all these people staring at these guys just playing with these sticks in their hands you'd be like what the fuck is going on on that stage why is everybody watching that like it's it's it's a weird gig man you're creating cool sounds with a stick and you get this big piece of wood you're creating wild sounds with it that's really interesting here's here's how i saw them you're just walking around the whole entire bar wireless and they could be different guys they didn't even have to these guys get cocky the fucking put a mask on a new dude fire him it's perfect and it's good to see there he's he's he's learned and moved up to wireless because clearly the cold was restricted him in the first one as he wanted to to go and run around here's him on top of the bar he was like doing this shit that's cool one player he was like just leaning on like sitting on my lap for the most part that's wild yeah so check him out so they're They don't sing?

[257] They just play...

[258] No, they just jam like fucking crazy, dude.

[259] Like Hendrick's style almost.

[260] That's wild.

[261] Yeah, so their name is D -A -I -K -A -I -J -U.

[262] I like that, man. I like that idea.

[263] That's pretty cool.

[264] I love that they've got a harder name than me. That's right.

[265] Even though you're spelling out twice now, I've no idea what their name is.

[266] Man, Arnold Schwarzenegger is the good fallback.

[267] It doesn't matter.

[268] It doesn't mean shit.

[269] It doesn't mean shit.

[270] Bufferick.

[271] Yeah.

[272] Crazy names.

[273] Yeah, it's a weird thing, isn't it?

[274] Like the names, it's important to write the right letters and words.

[275] I can never tell if it's, it's, like, if, if, if the doors is a good name or it's a good name because of the doors, do you know what I mean?

[276] If some, if you were at some shitty gig and the local band and the doors never happened and they were called the doors, it probably wouldn't be as, as awesome as it is, right?

[277] No, it's, isn't it fascinating, though?

[278] The names are about picking a pleasant sound that you can remember.

[279] and that's easy to replicate with letters like if you have too many like what is this dyca what the fuck is this get out of here with that shit dude no one's going to remember that shit and you got think more about it now because of the internet because if you pick a name that's too familiar then when you google it you're going to get yeah you know some crazy yeah whatever it is you've chosen yeah right restricted yeah especially if you and what is how does it work when you hear bands have the same name as other bands I never know I guess someone to argue it you know like the love assassins like this must be like more than one love assassins the original love assassins you know i mean i just need that name up but i'm sure it exists i'm not the first person to think that way yeah right that's a path it's like that's like that's like looking at like a section of street and trying to imagine that no one ever walked down that it's impossible somebody walked down that i might not have seen it but it's happened so like how many different guys can come up with something like the love assassins you know you've just got to become the biggest love assassins out there and then you've won right if you're the biggest ones then that you're who the love assassins like do you think there was another kiss you know a kiss seems like a seems like this got to have been had to have been at least one other band thought about becoming the name kiss so probably if you if somebody's kind of retired or not as popular now you could just be like hey no my name's n w a now and just because you're more popular you could kind of would win at that argument right i don't know man i think that's probably trademarked because that's such a huge business.

[280] But I think, like, when you're first coming up and you don't have any legal paperwork, that's when it's only an issue.

[281] Because, like, if you try to be Jimmy Hendricks today, they'd be like, shut the fuck up, bitch.

[282] I ain't Jimmy Hendricks.

[283] But no, it's my new name is Jimmy Hendricks.

[284] I'm Jimmy Hendricks.

[285] But they would be like, no, Jimmy Hendricks.

[286] You can't be a musician and be Jimmy Hendricks.

[287] There's a fucking, there's a copyright on that shit.

[288] But I could be Millie Vanilly.

[289] Well, no one wants to be, so I bet they would just let you.

[290] Yeah, if you tried to be Millie Vanilla.

[291] But I bet not.

[292] I bet someone owns that shit.

[293] Like, say if you and Jamie decided to go on tour as Millie and Vanilly and you started doing with, like, you would lip sync and other people would sing the songs, you'd get your ass sued.

[294] Yeah?

[295] Yeah, for sure.

[296] But if you only did, like, the Vanilli part.

[297] Even Vanilly.

[298] They probably own Millie and Vanilli.

[299] They own both of those.

[300] Yeah.

[301] Yeah, they own it.

[302] Don't you think they own it?

[303] Rick Ross.

[304] Well, Rick Ross is different because Rick Ross, the original Rick Ross was not a rapper.

[305] I mean, that's the whole reason why he has those T -shirts that say Rick Ross is not a rapper.

[306] He was just unsigned.

[307] He rapped all the time in the shower, I bet.

[308] He was just unsigned.

[309] Christmas time, he was rapping.

[310] Well, he was a notorious drug dealer and genuine, nice guy.

[311] I really like Rick Ross.

[312] He's a cool guy.

[313] He's got a book out now, by the way.

[314] If anybody's interested, Rick has a brand new book, and people have been asking us to get him on the podcast again, and we definitely should.

[315] Rick Ross's book.

[316] Just give him a plug.

[317] The real Rick.

[318] Rick Ross, freeway Rick Ross.

[319] The untold autobiography?

[320] Yeah, the untold autobiography.

[321] That's what it's called.

[322] And he's got a fascinating story.

[323] If you're interested, his story is he was the connection between the Iran -Contra affair and selling drugs in Los Angeles.

[324] He was one of the connections.

[325] He was being supplied by a guy who was channeling that money that he made from Rick Ross directly into foreign operations it's crazy the whole story is crazy and the dude when he went to jail didn't even know how to read okay and in jail taught himself at a read then became a fucking legal expert and found the loopholes in his in in his prosecution where they fucked up found holes in the prosecution's angle and and got himself off got himself out they had him like a three strike situation and he he got out of that because it has to be three sentences it can't be three crimes right right yeah yeah so they they prosecuted for him it it it too they prosecuted him for it illegal it was incorrect use of the prosecution it's kind of weird though then that he wouldn't have educated himself or potentially wouldn't have educated himself in such a manner if he hadn't been been put away so it's kind of it's odd to come out of that with you know improved and better and yeah yeah it's a fascinating case it's a fascinating case it's a very fascinating case and he's a very good guy.

[326] And then have to, you know, put out with Rick Ross are using your name?

[327] Yeah, well, he sued him and lost, which is really crazy.

[328] I mean, when we'll have him on, I'm sure he'll be able to tell us.

[329] I don't know if they're continuing the lawsuit, or maybe we could Google it right now.

[330] It's a weird one with that because it's more of a regular name.

[331] It's a Jimmy Hendrix.

[332] That's not, you know, you're not going to hear that every day.

[333] But Rick Ross, it feels like it would be a tougher one to sue over because, you Yeah, I don't know.

[334] Yeah, Rick Ross wins lawsuit against Freeway Rick Ross.

[335] Freeway Rick Ross lost his lawsuit against rapper Rick Ross born William Leonard Roberts on First Amendment grounds.

[336] The case, wow, First Amendment grounds, freedom of speech.

[337] So I guess you're allowed to take on the persona of a known drug dealer because it's like, it's a persona?

[338] So it's like artistic expression?

[339] I mean, what is that?

[340] It's like Bonnie and Clyde shit.

[341] You know, like I could probably call myself Bonnie and Clyde.

[342] Yeah, but if they were alive, would you be able to, you know?

[343] Yeah.

[344] But the full name, Rick Ross?

[345] The real Rick Ross knew about the entertainer's stage name since 2006.

[346] Oh.

[347] The case originally began in 2010 and later appealed to a higher court after the lawsuit was ruled untimely since the real Rick Ross knew about the entertainer stage name since 2006.

[348] So the idea was that the first time it was ruled untimely because he didn't act quick enough.

[349] You know, but I think that there was, there was some issues the real Rick Ross said where he had talked to Rick Ross and like he was going to be compensated for it.

[350] Right.

[351] And then remember he said he was going to chop it up with him?

[352] Remember that?

[353] He said, we'll chop it up, we'll chop it up.

[354] Like he was going to give him some money and then he decided not to and then decided to go to lawsuits with him.

[355] So fucking shady business.

[356] explain why he took time over it and why he got around to that but yeah that and now that is a very different sort of a hip -hop yeah yeah completely but again it's a hip -hop I love as every day I'm hustling it's that it's that mistake that people think that just because I do a certain kind of hip -hop that I think every kind of hip -hop should be like that it'd be boring as hell of all hip -ball it was like that you have to have the variation in the genre and yeah how much you think the real Rick Ross should get paid by the fake Rick Ross like if you were the judge half depends how much the real holy shit that's crazy that's like being married to a dude that's too much maybe 10 % though 10 % might not be a bad number I say 10 % it seems fair look you don't even have to wrap he lets that dude use his name that dude makes him more popular here's the thing about the real Rick Ross being emotional sweet you're a sweet guy I like a lot about you but here's the thing about like think about the real Rick Ross like we know about the real Rick Ross because his story's fascinating and we've talked to him he's an interesting guy but we also know about the real Rick Ross because the fake Rick Ross got famous as fuck with the same name yeah so how much would you know about Rick Ross if he wasn't getting fucked over by the fake Rick Ross I submit not nearly as much I submit that quite honestly the the real Rick Ross has benefited substantially from the fake Rick Ross using his name and it actually makes him even more legit because this fake fat rapper who used to be a corrections officer is using his shit.

[357] I think the table has kind of changed a little since the fake Rick Ross has now become who he is.

[358] He's like, you know, big.

[359] He is now a huge moneymaker.

[360] So now 10 % I think is completely fair and everyone should just be happy and have dinner together and maybe go on tour together.

[361] But the real Rick Ross, the original drug dealer Rick Ross, is benefiting substantially, like, publicity -wise, to being connected with this.

[362] I mean, he has an amazing story on his own, but the reality is that this store is made more compelling by the fact that there's a guy running around stealing his name.

[363] Like, he's benefited from it.

[364] It's really crazy when you think about it, you know?

[365] And I wonder if what the cool thinking of the time of it was, when he probably first heard of this rapper Rick Ross, he probably didn't think it was that, huge a deal right but then when it's when rick ross becomes one of the biggest rappers in the world then suddenly that's that's a change do you think that's part of it or uh well i think always have been trying to fight the i think he always you know even when he came out of jail rick ross was famous yeah he just wasn't as famous as he is now he's become really super but yeah completely his book i'm sure wouldn't be what it is if it wasn't for well the story is amazing the story itself is amazing Yeah.

[366] I mean, he was a tennis standout in high school.

[367] Couldn't go to college because he couldn't read.

[368] So he was an athlete and was, like, stranded in this terrible neighborhood, didn't know what the fuck to do.

[369] So he started selling drugs and became this giant drug dealer.

[370] He was making like some insane amounts of money, millions of dollars a week.

[371] I mean, he was just making just stupid money.

[372] And it was all being funneled to the United States, all these covert operations overseas in Nicaragua.

[373] It's crazy.

[374] I mean, it was a, the whole Oliver, the whole, um, uh, uh, Reagan contra affair and, um, the fuck's his name.

[375] Oliver, what's his name?

[376] Stone?

[377] No, the, the, Oliver North, thank you.

[378] The Oliver North situation, these guys on trial in front of the fucking entire country.

[379] No one's ever seen that shit before, you know, and Reagan, they're asking him if he sold arms to, to other, other countries and shit.

[380] This was all, like, part of that same era, you know?

[381] the same era of all this crazy shit going on that we're finding out the government's involved with him.

[382] One of the things was selling drugs in the Los Angeles neighborhoods, the poor neighborhoods, and taking that money like the CIA was selling drugs.

[383] And our late great friend Michael Rupert, who passed away recently, Michael Rupert, who was a narcotics investigator for the Los Angeles Police Department, he uncovered that shit.

[384] They did that thing where he stood out in front of that press conference.

[385] they have this press conference and he he yells out like in this in the middle of this conference that he that they he knows that the CIA has been selling drugs in Los Angeles communities and he's caught them I mean this guy says this crazy on on television and the whole the whole crowd filled with black people they start cheering they're all excited about it and it's like he's just standing up and like what a fucking crazy prick he was yeah we've been following the latest you know with the anonymous and the whole shooting of that kid that oh the kid in st louis yeah that's ugly man that's ugly the kid in st louis is ugly and there was the other kid in the uh walmart that had the fake gun yeah just like what the fuck is going on man you know there's an old expression but it's a really valid one is that when the only tool you have is a hammer everything looks like a nail yeah yeah and that's the problem with the society that we have when people, you know, you give them guns and you put them in situations where if they make a bad call, someone dies.

[386] You know, if they make a bad call, if they freak out, someone dies.

[387] A huge difference to have that there, have that on you and as an option.

[388] But it's also like, I don't know what the options are because if you take their guns away from them and then ask them to enforce crime in a place where a lot of people have guns, boy, is that even feasible?

[389] it's like disarmament seems like the choice that like the really cautious people would choose like we everyone needs to just give up their guns but that's never going to happen like people have to accept the fact that there's always going to be people that keep illegal guns if anybody tries to do that and they'll be they'll be doing it with in their mind the full approval of the constitution the full approval of the second in australia like when they've got rid of changed all their gun laws and got rid of guns and it was seen as it couldn't work and they've not really had any incidents since.

[390] They've changed their gun laws because they used to be exactly the same as America.

[391] I don't know all the statistics on it, but they used to be the same as America, and then they had one really bad major, like, shooting.

[392] And they changed their gun laws as a trial, a thing, I think, in this particular state or area.

[393] And it's maintained and it's worked.

[394] Again, they had all the same thing.

[395] People saying, you can't take people's guns away.

[396] And they did have people protesting and against it.

[397] But then a year on, kind of everyone's...

[398] The problem is, I think you trust your government a lot more than we trust ours.

[399] Because our government likes starting wars.

[400] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[401] And our government has a history of not being honest with us.

[402] Our government has a history of trying to suppress us.

[403] And particularly...

[404] I mean, it seems for every...

[405] On a yearly basis, for every huge story...

[406] there is of a member of the public going out and killing people doing a shooting, there's then a police story of it as well.

[407] So it kind of fuels them both.

[408] I was tweeting.

[409] That whole thing of, well, if we don't trust the police, then we need to be armed.

[410] And the police is exactly the same as you've said.

[411] If they're police in an area where everyone's got guns, it's kind of people need to come to an agreement and that's not going to happen.

[412] Well, it's also a problem whenever you have a group of people that become sort of responsible for the actions of an individual, right?

[413] If you have 100 cops and one cop does something really fucked up, then cops are pigs, you know, and all these other cops get lumped into this one group.

[414] Instead of it being an individual that was in a position of power that did something fucked up, it's the cop.

[415] So then it's the cops versus the people.

[416] Yeah.

[417] And that's madness.

[418] You know, that's all madness.

[419] The guy who shot that kid for sure is a piece of shit, you know, he fucked up.

[420] But that's not saying that cops in general.

[421] Yeah, it doesn't mean, I mean, who knows what's going on through this guy's head?

[422] The other thing about these guys, a lot of them have PTSD.

[423] Yeah.

[424] They have like, you know, you talk about PTSD for people that go away and they fight in wars and they come back.

[425] Well, a lot of those guys that do that become cops.

[426] First of all, when they come back, it's a good gig for a soldier.

[427] You've already used to being in the shit.

[428] It's probably mild in comparison to what you've seen.

[429] And, you know, you probably handle stress better than the average person.

[430] It's like if you're looking for a gig, it's probably a good gig.

[431] It's going to make you more comfortable pulling your gun as well, right?

[432] That's true too.

[433] And, you know, you also used to, I mean, especially if you had to have active, you've actually.

[434] You've actually.

[435] You've actually.

[436] You've been in combat.

[437] You know, if you've been in combat, you've, you've definitely shot people.

[438] If you've definitely shot people, it'd be easier to shoot somebody again.

[439] And you're also probably, your senses, your whole sense of like what's on the line would probably be much, much more, like, sharp than a person that's never seen people killed.

[440] Like, you're like, you're like, this could happen in any second.

[441] You better stop this before it happens.

[442] You have like a much shorter, like, line of bullshit that you'll tolerate.

[443] And that's, you know, that's, if you're in a war zone, that's to be expected, but that war zone becomes the streets if you have the same attitude and you're dealing, but it's just going to happen that way.

[444] When you have people and they hate each other and there's a group here and a group there that cops and the citizens and you have a situation like this, things will be flared up for years now.

[445] It's annoying how it has to be such a group thing and these people against these people.

[446] There was a song out about two years ago now just before all the Trayvon -Martin stuff happened and it was called a film the police and it was a rewrite of NWA fuck the police and it was just calling everyone to, like we've all got phones now it's saying the police are policeness but there's issues so rather than being less, rather than being a fuck the police being just make sure you're filming stuff and there was just a huge backlash from people in support of the police saying no this isn't fair and it's like well it's not saying that film the police and catch them all up to shit it's like the good ones won't be doing anything bad so it's not a negative a thing, you know, but if you're using more watching the watchman as it were kind of thing, then it starts to then police itself and hopefully I don't think there's anything wrong with the idea of filming police.

[447] No. And I think there's also a lot of evidence that when police are forced to wear cameras that film all their actions, there's the thing about the...

[448] Yeah, the allegations of abuse dropped by 80%.

[449] Yeah.

[450] And someone actually said this though, yeah, it's because people can't claim fake abuse now.

[451] Like somebody actually said to me on Twitter.

[452] I'm like, or cops know that they can't fucking do dushy shit because they're wearing a camera.

[453] Yeah, it's great.

[454] Again, I mean cops are people.

[455] There's good ones and bad ones.

[456] Completely.

[457] In the UK, you realize now that there was a time when the cops were the best of the best, but that's not the case anymore.

[458] There's a variation.

[459] There's some people who are genuinely good citizens trying to make this change.

[460] But I knew people who worked with me in the record store and didn't get kept on.

[461] became a policeman instead.

[462] It's like you, you couldn't do retail and now you're police in the streets kind of thing.

[463] That's crazy.

[464] That's not the best of the best that it should or was.

[465] Being police should be like being the night's watch.

[466] Yeah.

[467] It should really be like you're the guy who's guarding the top of the wall.

[468] Yeah.

[469] I mean, that's really what it should be like.

[470] It's like it should be a revered position of noble people, you know, martial artists, people who are, you know, they actually want to do good, have a code and an ethic.

[471] with politicians though like we all complain about how all the politicians are kind of scumbags it's like because it's not appealing job like normal people like that's wouldn't it's not appealing being a fucking politician that's could you imagine if you're going to be the mayor or something they said pip it's your time it's the worst nightmare imagine if that was like the draft like you just get drafted to be the fucking mayor like out of nowhere we like your lyrics you're going to be the mayor now you're like what and they fucking show up at your door with accountants you got to go over the budget like what how much you want to spend on education.

[472] What?

[473] How much you want to spend on the government?

[474] What?

[475] It's crazy.

[476] How much you want to spend on sewage?

[477] What?

[478] Spend on sewage?

[479] Yeah, we got a water bill.

[480] We go to Colorado.

[481] What?

[482] Yeah.

[483] Fuck all that, man. And that's the problem because everybody says fuck all that.

[484] And the only people that don't say fuck all that are the ones who can make some money from it or can be...

[485] Or hopefully are really dedicated to trying to help people.

[486] You hope.

[487] But good fucking luck.

[488] Good luck with all that.

[489] Especially in this day and age.

[490] We're going to need some dust to settle.

[491] it's a mess I mean it's just with the whole politics thing you need I don't know I kind of argue with people online about this all the time because I think the way your democracy is currently set up and our democracy is currently set up there's no chance of any real change like any time soon because it's a gradual it's slight changes either way but nothing else is discussed we need to protect the ideals of democracy and it's like well why I think there's I mean there's I'm going completely up on tangent now, but there's, there's hundreds of different kinds of occupancy and kinds of ways to run a society.

[492] Number one, our democracies we've got aren't real democracies.

[493] Right.

[494] They kind of, it's, it's the two -party system and all this kind of thing, so it's not a real, we just vote and that's who gets in.

[495] And they're often being funded by the same companies.

[496] Yeah, exactly.

[497] It's the same thing.

[498] Incredibly ridiculous.

[499] But there's loads of, I mean, I was just discussing recently, and it pisses people off because it kind of shows a level of elitism that people are scared of.

[500] But I think going on stuff based on on a meritocracy and stuff like that where say your vote would be worth more than the guy who who's sitting at home in a trailer and doesn't know anything about a politics but isn't that dangerous though that's kind of dangerous when one person's vote is worth more than another it depends how it's it's it's it's measures so for example like my theory on it being if when you go to vote there's a short questionnaire on politics or on social on society or something and that ranks are what you were But isn't that subjective I mean first of all There's just information Like you could have information about politics That's one thing like you know When was Eleanor Roosevelt this When was more on policies On policies and what's actually valid at the moment Because then even if people Then just bone up on it to try and cheat the system That's good They're reading about what the policies are They're learning it rather than just going And ticking a box that their family Have always supported Republicans Therefore that's that That's a good forcing people to have some level of education in it to make their vote worth more.

[501] Yeah, maybe I'm hanging on to the idea that everyone should have an equal vote and that it shouldn't be like an earned thing and you earn it by having an education about the system.

[502] There's actually not a bad idea.

[503] There's a great quote that says, we're not all entitled to our own opinion.

[504] We're all entitled to our own informed opinion because again, everyone quotes that thing of I'm entitled to my own opinion.

[505] So, well, no, if someone's done more research on it and knows about it, then there is right and wrong.

[506] You can't just argue, well, that's my opinion.

[507] I'm entitled to it.

[508] In some issues, yeah.

[509] There's some issues where it's not.

[510] There's some issues where it's just a subjective judgment.

[511] One person would agree.

[512] One person would disagree.

[513] Like, there's certain issues that people are very, very passionate about that you have polar opposite people absolutely dedicated to their opinion and won't budge.

[514] Like abortion.

[515] And that's a great thing, but then it's an informed opinion.

[516] It's not just a kind of.

[517] Sometimes not even though.

[518] Sometimes there's not an informed opinion.

[519] Sometimes people just get on a side and that's their side.

[520] Stuck on that side.

[521] It's so stupid.

[522] It's crazy.

[523] But that's people.

[524] That's a super common thing.

[525] That's a super common thing to like take on Republican talking points or take on liberal talking points.

[526] Really common.

[527] Or the Bible's the key example of that where people are just blindly well that's that's that's my belief.

[528] Yeah.

[529] And therefore I will fight any arguments against it despite any logic.

[530] and theories and yeah and reality yeah that's a big one it's that's a common one because you know that's one that has been used for so many years by so many people and it's become just a well paved path that everybody could walk on it's a great structure and set up our first song that um got big like when i was working with a guy dan le sac was called that shall always kill and it was just a rewrite of commandments it was a load of commandments for now and i'm not religious but the reason I think it hit through with people is it's a simple structure that you all know and are familiar with.

[531] And that's why it works for religion as well as in a spoken word hip -hop song.

[532] It's kind of it's that simplicity of you know the stories and the structures.

[533] Therefore you can get a point across that isn't about a religion, but by using those, that's more about society and people, but using that template of what religious and people have laid down for us.

[534] Yeah, what religious people have laid down, and, you know, the variance in, like, how much they vary from one to the next, like how much Judaism varies from Islam, varies from Christianity, how much they borrow from each other.

[535] Like, somebody's wrong.

[536] Somebody's wrong.

[537] Well, let's just break down, like, what you guys are actually, what are we supporting here?

[538] Are we supporting the idea that there's a guy and this guy watches over everything and he made everything.

[539] He's allowing all this crazy chaos, and he told us once a few thousand years ago how to live your life.

[540] and if you don't pay attention to what the fuck he said back then you're on your own and so you're forced to be led by a bunch of people he sees these people he sees their hypocritical actions he does nothing he allows them to distort his message and relay it in this most fucked up way that's ruining the earth itself and still he doesn't come down and correct anybody like this is what you're saying yeah that's crazy are you sure or is this puzzle far too complex for our brains is this like an ant trying to understand a satellite because if you try to get an aunt to understand a satellite it's outside of his realm of comprehension and i think we have a realm of comprehension whether we like to admit it or not and i think the very nature of the universe itself is currently outside of our realm of comprehension or at least the realm of comprehension of the average person me included but faith has got to be the most not dangerous word ever made but that's that's the thing the argument would It would always be, well, you know, we were left here and we've got to have faith that God's going to do this and do that.

[541] And it's all tests, but I've got my faith.

[542] It's like that's a massive get -out clause for any argument of, well, you've never, you can't see this person.

[543] You can't prove any of faith.

[544] Well, not only can not prove it, but you're having faith in something that it looks very much like bullshit.

[545] Yeah.

[546] You know, if you look the stories, you read a guy came back from the dead.

[547] He was dead for three days.

[548] And then he pushed a rock side and came back.

[549] Okay.

[550] Okay.

[551] Yeah.

[552] All right.

[553] All right, I believe that.

[554] Okay, there's Adam and Eve, so there's two people, and then they fuck, and what happens?

[555] They have kids, and then...

[556] It's time, though, right?

[557] Kids start fucking together.

[558] Because everyone kind of jokes now and mocks Scientology because of the ludicrousness of loads of what they say.

[559] But it's ludicrous because it's new.

[560] If it was thousands of years old, then people would be the same with Christianity and just kind of go, well, you know, it is kind of ludicrous, but it's our faith and I believe.

[561] Christianity is ludicrous.

[562] If you have conversations with hardcore Christians about whether or not Christianity's ludicrous and they'll argue with you why it's not and what these stories really represent and how the message of God comes through these stories like...

[563] I think it's crazy that there's such a mixture as well in there there will be loads of Christians that know that all that stuff is kind of bullshit but they believe what they believe and they believe they're just stories and all this kind of thing so it's...

[564] Well there's also some levels within your own belief system And there's such a variation.

[565] There's people who would sit here now and go, yeah, that's fucking crazy.

[566] But they're devout Christians and...

[567] Yeah.

[568] There's people that just believe in God and they feel like the Bible is sort of a framework for good behavior that was laid down by this holy entity at one point in the past.

[569] And that although the stories have been twisted and weird and, you know, that a lot of these stories, they probably represented something important a long time ago.

[570] And so you're getting the...

[571] this connection to God through a game of being in that game of telephone and I don't know if you played it in England but you would tell a friend something and then he would tell a friend something and he would tell a friend something by the time it got down to Brian the story was dog shit it was all fucked up and I think that the idea is that in the UK it was called Chinese Whispers which sounds incredibly racist but that's what it was it was called Chinese Whispers it wasn't that's that game anyway a telephone's a far better name for it Let's stick with that.

[572] But that whole idea is that at the end of that is God.

[573] At the end of that is God.

[574] Yeah, the story got fucked up.

[575] But the story did get fucked up.

[576] But that story has a direct connection to God.

[577] And the way that direct connection works is that at one point in time, there was something where someone was explained the very nature of the universe.

[578] And then, whether it was through psychedelic drugs, whether it was through an actual religious experience with a divine entity and then from that point what happened is that person told another person that person told another person they took they did their best to remember everything that the people before them told them but if you got through all that goofy shit all that adam and eve stuff and all the the the more weird and ridiculous and preposterous stories in any religion if you got through all that and went back to the source you almost are still connected in some sort a weird, bizarre, and maybe like a, um, like an, like, almost like a mathematical way, you're connected to the original story.

[579] Yeah.

[580] You know, there's the original story.

[581] The original story turns into this.

[582] His memory fucks it up.

[583] It turns into that.

[584] Like, is it correct at the end?

[585] Just in the translations as well, though.

[586] The translation was all written in a language that is dead and people to retranslate and change and things like that.

[587] And it's like, well, well, there's two of them too far away from.

[588] There's the, the oldest version.

[589] that they've found is the stuff that's in Kumran.

[590] That's the Dead Sea Scrolls.

[591] They're some of the same stories that are in the Bible.

[592] So these are the oldest versions by like a thousand years.

[593] And I think they're the only ones that are in Aramaic.

[594] It's an Aramaic and it's written on animal skins.

[595] It's fucking crazy.

[596] They pieced together the Dead Sea Scrolls with DNA.

[597] They made sure that they got the DNA of the same cow so they knew if it's the same cow, it most like it was the same piece of paper because they were all different cows and different pieces of paper and they had to figure out like which animal skin because all these crumbs and pieces and they had to piece them together over decades man just madness and that is what all the faith and beliefs are based on and they just found this shit man it was in like 1947 again there's that old I think it was in a TV series in the UK there was a joke thing if they found the original first page of the Bible and just saying that any resemblance to people in real life is purely coincidental and so on and so forth and that it's just a book of fiction but it's just some found old thing yeah in my the best version of the world it would be that get to the end of the Bible and it just says psych we were on mushrooms that would be the best version be far better love david copperfield psych made it all up yeah in 1946 a collection of 981 text was discovered uh between 46 and 56 took some 10 years in this area in the West Bank called Kumran, and they were found inside caves about a mile inland north of the northwest shore of the Dead Sea.

[598] A really interesting shit, man. Nine of the scrolls were rediscovered at the Israeli Antiquities Authority in 2014 after they had been stored unopened for six decades following their excavation in 1952.

[599] The text are of great historical, religious, and linguistic significance because they include the earliest known surviving manuscripts of works later included in the Hebrew Bible canon along with Deuterada Wow, Deuterah canonical Deuterotara Deuterotomy Is that the band?

[600] Dutero.

[601] You know, this is how like, my wife was saying this to me the other day.

[602] It's interesting when you're raising kids and you're teaching them how to say words and you know you have to spell it and you see how it's difficult.

[603] Well, when you, you learn a new word like this like you know if that was deuteronomy i could just say it and it would be easy but i'm trying to figure it out as i'm saying it like a little kid like that's kind of never goes away deutero canonical dutero canonical and extra biblical manuscripts which preserve the evidence of the diversity of religious thought in the late second temple judaism interesting interesting interesting stuff man yeah from 408 BCE and 318 BCE man they don't really know though it's crazy that it's just that the Bible is just a collection of stories and not one do you know what I mean wasn't written as one thing you kind of think of it as the Bible but saying that parts of the stuff on the on the Dead Street Scrolls were stories included in the Bible and yeah yeah just pick 48 BCE what the oldest known that's the The, that's the range.

[604] So the oldest one they found was 4008 BC.

[605] I wonder what the oldest version of the Hebrew Bible is, if you had a guess.

[606] 40 years.

[607] Shut up, bitch.

[608] That's ridiculous.

[609] What do you think, like, the oldest version of the Hebrew Bible?

[610] I have a clue.

[611] 3 ,000 years.

[612] Because I assumed that actually the Dead Sea Scrolls were from earlier than that.

[613] I'd read something that must have been incorrect that said it was older than that.

[614] Okay.

[615] The oldest surviving Hebrew manuscript, including the Dead Sea Scrolls, Second Century B .C .E. Well, this is Wikipedia, and it's given me a different date.

[616] Because they were saying 4.

[617] Like 408, right?

[618] Was that what the longest version?

[619] So that is like the oldest version.

[620] It's the oldest version of the Hebrew Bible.

[621] Or the oldest version of the stories that are in the Hebrew Bible.

[622] Yeah.

[623] Amazing.

[624] imagine if you can go back to those dudes who wrote the Bible way back then and you could bring them in the time machine to 2014 and show them like the havoc that they've created.

[625] And have them explain, yeah, what was...

[626] No, that's not.

[627] They've missed the whole page out there.

[628] Just have them tweak it a little.

[629] Well, it's so weird that it's...

[630] It gets translated into different languages.

[631] Like, if you ever done one of those things where you take Russian and translate it to English and you try to like explain what the fuck they mean, their language is so different than ours that it always comes out like he gives to a country but fails not.

[632] yeah like what you know there's like there's a weird weird interpretation of of languages to english so you got to think you're going from a weird language like ancient Hebrew which was um they used to have like their numbers were embedded in their words so like there was no there's no numbers what if it just started off as memes like whatever just going back to how the bible you know the language back then actually was just like we all talk like a mean back then like like you just said that sounds like a meme almost like i go back home knee with letters in.

[633] No, no, no, no, no. That's not the Bible.

[634] You're not even paying attention when I said.

[635] That's like if you take Russian and interpret it to English.

[636] Right.

[637] That's not what I'm saying.

[638] Um, the, the, the, um, just the ancient languages, like when they try.

[639] The fact that they've got that translation and the original thing they're reading is just so old and they're using DNA to kind of piece it in the right order and all that kind of thing.

[640] Yes.

[641] Mostly guessing, right?

[642] Well, no, they're not really guessing, you know.

[643] I mean, there's, there's, there's, Definitely peace is missing, but when they have stories that are, like, when they translate part of the story and the story is, like, very similar to, like, Book of Genesis or something along those lines, they can sort of make those correlations.

[644] If they have enough similarities, you know, but there's a lot of those stories that are like that, man, like, when you go back to the oldest shit, that Coonioform that the Sumerians used to write in, oh, it's so weird -looking, man. it's like these these there was no like variation in the like the way their letters were right their letters were all like these little lines so they'd go down to like pull this up like cuneiform ancient sumerian it's weird weird shit man they would write in this more easy google searches here yeah simplest yeah it's um it's cool to look at yeah it's like it's like it what it looks like is like a wedge that you would like if say if you were chop it down a tree you had to stick a wedge in there like i Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[645] It's like, they're more like wedges than they are, like, it's not like a straight line.

[646] Yeah, yeah.

[647] It's like there's a fat top, and then it goes down to a lower bottom, and they, see, this is how they wrote.

[648] Like, look at these things.

[649] How weird is that?

[650] Yeah.

[651] It's like all emojis.

[652] Yeah.

[653] It's so, it's so weird.

[654] I mean, it's sort of like, it's so hard to imagine how different that is.

[655] Keep that up, so we could look at that shit for a second.

[656] Look how weird that is.

[657] Like, that's their language, and they write in these little columns.

[658] Yeah.

[659] Yeah, and so much of it just, just to us, looking exactly the same, looking similar shapes and sizes, how can that have the intricacies of a language?

[660] Yeah, if you looked at that, that looks like dog shit.

[661] Like, if you had your whole life to figure out what the fuck that means, you would never figure it out.

[662] You'd never figure it out.

[663] So it takes like a team of linguists to piece this together.

[664] And here's the crazy shit.

[665] They don't even know what the word sounded like.

[666] there's a bunch of words in ancient Sumerian fucking guesswork like there was there was a thing that someone had done where they had recreated what they believe ancient Sumerian sounded like but it's so dead that no one can even talk it yeah of course like how can you even start to conceive how to pronounce the scratchings that were on that thing then it's so weird well I don't know how they do it I don't know I know that they have like this is what it like this is the language yeah I guess some of them oh this is year by year well let's scroll make that a little larger so we can see it it's year by year like scroll down so you get to the top to the top to the top we see 3200 BCE 3 ,000 BCE and then you go all the way to the far right and it's just all the lines a thousand yeah wow those weird lines man that's interesting so this was like 8 bit and this is like Xbox they pretty much updated it to a better language no the other way round.

[667] Other way around.

[668] Right.

[669] it's got to be partly down to the, the methods in which they were writing.

[670] Like they couldn't have done more intricate stuff if you're scratching into clay.

[671] Into clay and stuff like that.

[672] Yeah.

[673] They also would make these rollers.

[674] They would make these rollers and then they would lay out clay and they would roll the roller into the clay and then bake the clay.

[675] So like the roller itself.

[676] would be like a method of distributing like a newspaper yeah like you'd be able to roll that shit and you'd put it in the clay and then you could do it several times yeah yeah so they had these weird things that they used to do to make these clay tablets so you kind of have to make the newspaper yourself yeah i guess i mean i remember hearing it's crazy the first the first adverts ever made were musical um notes and that printed on the product you bought and you had to to sing the advert yourself as the first ever jingles were on cigarette packets and that but in those days um because yeah there wasn't any radio and stuff like that and in it in those days everyone kind of had a piano or could could play a shit and yeah the first ever jingles were printed and written out and people had sit around the piano and play the the camel cigars wow that's wild it's the origin of jingles which is the original jingles was advertising Hey, pull up Sumerian cylinder seals And you could see these things that they used to do Where they used to lay this clay down And roll their message out on the clay And I guess like if you probably wanted to get a message of somebody You would send a seal You send one of these cylinders And then they would lay the clay out And they would roll the cylinder on the clay And it would read out what you had to say to them Oh, that's sweet.

[677] Isn't that wild?

[678] What would you think this is like, hey, Those are the bird.

[679] Well, I think they, you know.

[680] She's ranging a meeting, isn't it?

[681] That represents UFOs, Brian.

[682] Don't you get it?

[683] Look at the Griffin in the bottom, UFO.

[684] That's an alien.

[685] See, those squirrely things?

[686] That's DNA.

[687] So what that represents is the alien came down from sky.

[688] And Leo's rule.

[689] And the griffons are awesome bird looking, freaky lion things.

[690] And what are those lions in the top?

[691] There's like a male lion and a female lion?

[692] Is that what's going on there?

[693] Yeah, they're like high -fiving.

[694] Oh, they're doing knuckles.

[695] This is the number one culture that the ancient astronaut theorists point to.

[696] They love this stuff because it was so far ago, you like, who fuck knows?

[697] So long ago, who the fuck knows what was really going on?

[698] But these people in ancient Sumer, they had all this, like, they were really into the stars.

[699] They had all these images of like the galaxy.

[700] They had a depiction of the solar system with all the stars or all the planets, rather, in the correct orbit.

[701] It's really interesting.

[702] crazy yeah pull up uh sumerian um solar system ancient sumerian solar system is that horses having sex it's one goat looking one way one goat looking the other way and some crazy thing in mail going what do you want for me everybody's banging everybody it's an important message to have at to send we need to commit this to cylinder and get the word out about the way that that goat was looking well it's like having you ever made a note on your phone and you couldn't remember what the fuck it meant like at the time you're like i'll understand this so many times it like a waking up at night and thinking I've got a lyric or an idea just noting it and then looking and going what the what is it that you wanted?

[703] Sumerian solar system yeah yeah there's a there's an image of the sun in the center and all these planets that are floating around the sun and they're all in like the sort of similar sizes like see see how it's like that similar to what the actual planets are that's what it looked like in but pull it back so you actually see the image of itself, the actual cylinder image.

[704] You just had it.

[705] Oh, you couldn't see it?

[706] No, the image, the actual image of the, there's a clay image of it.

[707] See it on the right?

[708] That's it.

[709] Either one of those.

[710] That's the actual image.

[711] And if you see the, see that right there?

[712] That's the solar system.

[713] In between them, there's the sun and those circles.

[714] Those are the exact planets.

[715] And, you know, the bigger ones are bigger and the small ones are smaller and they're all in the right orbit.

[716] It's really weird.

[717] Yeah, it's weird.

[718] Most likely what they think is, you know, when I've listened to many people give their opinions on these kind of things and how do these people know what they knew and what I'm of an opinion that most likely at one point in time, people were really fucking smart.

[719] And they had gotten really far and they had learned a lot of shit and they had lived for a long time and then cataclysmans happened.

[720] They get hit by asteroids.

[721] they got hit by you know super volcanoes whatever it is and whatever was learned was forgotten and they started all over again and they probably did it a gang of times and people who kind of argue against that will say just that they yeah would they have like why aren't their cameras or or whatever but i think the very nature of that of that theory is there's no chance at all that their intelligence would have developed in the same way as did the technology wouldn't have developed in the same way they could have been far superior have yet never invented petrol or used electronics, electronics, any of that.

[722] So that kind of, yeah, it makes sense of, it's our own arrogance now of going, but, you know, they didn't have TVs.

[723] Exactly.

[724] The fact, they can't be that clever.

[725] How are they clever?

[726] They haven't got TVs.

[727] That's so true.

[728] It's so, that's such a good point.

[729] And, you know, I think that people from England have a bit of a better perspective of time than people in America because if you're in London, if you go through London, you'll see a thousand -year -old buildings like you don't see that shit in america a wedding in boston once and i had a day spurner and popped into an antique store and it was like all like the 50s and 60s and it's like that's not an antique store like you go to england antiques so it's like hundreds of years old all this old stuff but there's like this is antiques this is like 80s this is this is a long time ago it's like no that's not that's not what an antique is my friend yeah there's bars in london that are like a thousand years old right yeah that's so crazy the whole place is it's so different like when you're passing by the palace and you look at that thing you see buckingham palace you're like well that that that's a palace it's right here they have a palace and then it's another thing in l a like when driving around i see a lot of the houses that are kind of castle like and they think that that's what a castle looks like it's like have you been if you've been to a castle because castles aren't really castles aren't just houses with a little square bit on top they're these out of rocks and these huge things and yeah always entertains me over here the yeah all the different castles it's like this isn't it weird that they sell castles like you can buy a castle yeah like you scroby's pip could go back to england and buy a goddamn castle i want a castle now who do i need to talk to about this jerusalem i don't know we need to find the guy and connect you to him because i i watched some one of those home and garden shows you know when they're Like people work on houses.

[730] Build you a castle or you buy an original and old.

[731] They had an old castle and they were trying to do an addition, add on to the castle.

[732] And they had a fight like tooth and claw to get it.

[733] They wanted to like put a garage in or something like that.

[734] And like, fuck off.

[735] You can't.

[736] It's a castle.

[737] But he's like, it's my castle.

[738] I'm like, nope, can't do it until they eventually let him do it.

[739] I don't want to have a clicker for the drawbridge.

[740] So when they pull up, it just to come on.

[741] Help me out.

[742] Like an RFID car they put on your license plate.

[743] As soon as it recognizes you're driving in and opens up the drawbridge, no one else can get in.

[744] There's a load in, there's a few different castles in England that are hotels now, and you can just go and stay in a castle that is hundreds and hundreds of years old.

[745] I've done that before, and it's, yeah.

[746] Yeah.

[747] Imagine owning.

[748] You can, though.

[749] I know people have, I've heard of people that are famous people, like, buy castles.

[750] It feels so rude to put a TV and everything in, though.

[751] Like, you're in this old castle, and you're like, kitting it out.

[752] Yeah, you should not even, like, it really probably shouldn't even have electricity.

[753] No, you should just read.

[754] Yeah, everything should be candlelight.

[755] Yeah.

[756] If you're going to do it right.

[757] I mean, that's what England's basically like anyway.

[758] It's all year old and candle lit.

[759] I know that's what.

[760] Is it really?

[761] That's the image that we give out.

[762] Check this out.

[763] You can get some castles right here.

[764] What kind of castle do you want?

[765] Sell castles?

[766] Yeah, what kind of castle?

[767] What do you mean?

[768] It's like a, like a website?

[769] Yeah, it's a real estate website.

[770] Wait, one of them says the castle is a thousand pounds.

[771] pounds, a million.

[772] Is that a million pounds?

[773] That's what it says?

[774] Yeah.

[775] What's a pound?

[776] It relates to a dollar.

[777] At the moment, a dollars, so that would be about a 1 .8 million?

[778] So one million pounds is 1 .8 million?

[779] That's a pretty good deal for a castle.

[780] Yeah, that seemed crazy.

[781] It seems like castles are one of those things that really wouldn't depreciate very much.

[782] No, they don't, I mean, I'll get a castle in Transylvania.

[783] You look after it, well.

[784] Yeah.

[785] And then, and then, and then, you know, and then.

[786] Does it come with a vampire?

[787] Fuck that.

[788] It's 47.

[789] Do you want to have a castle?

[790] Where do you, what do you, we go to Transylvania?

[791] We have a summer home.

[792] I bet Wi -Fi would suck in a castle.

[793] Transylvania is very non -existent.

[794] You probably have to have satellite internet.

[795] I mean, you might not even be able to get that.

[796] I guarantee you they haven't laid the lines down unless this castle's been used by people for a long time.

[797] I drove through Transylvania on our last tour and it just feels like the most underused, like the, that they should put a Dracula Disneyland or some shit there and it'd be the most that'd be a huge tourist thing you go through and it is eerie and kind of a run down and really no economy going on there and you just think since Transylvania for fuck sake surely that's the most marketable real location it blows people's mind to find out that that's a real place that's not just a fictional thing in a book it's like they've got someone needs to go there and build a tourist resort Dude, you should do it.

[798] You should do it.

[799] You should contact their tourism board.

[800] I'll remortgage my castle and I'll see if I can open up Transylvania.

[801] But doesn't it seem like that would be like a dope idea?

[802] Yeah.

[803] And you think of loads of kind of where you have these amusement parks and things like that.

[804] It's normally in kind of shitty areas where there isn't anything else anyway because you don't want that in the middle of a town.

[805] Don't say that about Anaheim, sir.

[806] Is that?

[807] That shit's rude.

[808] Orlando either but it makes them a destination Oh yeah Orlando is a big time destination Just because of those And if you like what kind of like if you had Whoa how about this If you had a fucking spot where you had It was like an amusement park But it was all horror rides Everything was fucking terrifying Like they're doing an American werewolf in London maze At Universal for Halloween Which I'll be attending every day see that shit that's gonna be fun but could you imagine it's making an amusement park purely for adults amusement park for adults in Transylvania that's all horror and then they set up they set up the entire location like they have like fucking like speakers in the woods where you hear like horrible howls in the middle of the night while you're sleeping they scare the fucking shit out of you you know everywhere you go like people are instead of like you know when you go to Disneyland, you see dudes are dressed up like fucking, you know, Mickey Mouse and Goofy, and Goofy's kitchen and Goofy Way of you.

[809] Instead of that, you have dudes made up in like full horror outfits.

[810] And those things have loved working there.

[811] Just sprinting out of nowhere.

[812] Just out of nowhere.

[813] They dive and find out of and then take off into the bushes.

[814] They don't fuck with people, they don't hit them, but they scare the shit out of you.

[815] I guess when you're going there, though, you'd have to sign so much shit to say you're not going to punch anyone Ooh, if someone jumps out, yeah.

[816] They have something.

[817] I think this is like a camp where you go camping, and it's a horror camp.

[818] Oh, great.

[819] It sounds like a recipe for murder.

[820] It's probably really annoying.

[821] Well, if you were like a crazy fuck and wanted to kill people, like Jason style, wouldn't you want to do it at this camp?

[822] That seems so appropriate.

[823] Yeah.

[824] The people that you're...

[825] In the UK now, where they have kind of these zombie tour things or whatever, and like, it'll be in an old shopping center or something, and you'll pay to go and be part of it and it will be all actors kind of just jumping out and chasing you as zombies and you'll be living out the zombie apocalypse but again all of that just feels how many of those actors get punched in the face or someone just a reacting in panic and hurting people what they really need to do is make real zombies like have an artificial real zombie have like what you do is you make like a fake person that's not really a person it's not really a person it's not a person it's dead you show it's got it's a shriveled up brain but it can move and it comes out you like it's going to bite you and you have a sword and there's like hundreds of them and it's like a new amusement park and this is when bioengineering gets to like a really high level like you know it's been said a million times but the phone the processes that you have in your phone was far greater it's far greater than the process is to put people on the fucking moon yeah yeah yeah yeah okay so imagine what kind of technology they're having today they're starting to develop all these artificial cells, artificial skin, they're going to develop artificial body parts.

[826] It's going to get to a point where about thousand years from now you're going to be able to make zombies.

[827] Everyone's going to know, it doesn't have a soul, you can just chop this fucker up.

[828] I'd be carrying as a zombie donor card to say that when I die, definitely I want just turn me into a zombie.

[829] But I'm saying artificial.

[830] My family to have free access to it.

[831] People are never going to allow that.

[832] See, that's the difference.

[833] What you're talking about is an actual person that becomes a zombie.

[834] What I'm talking about is a constructed artificial person that never had the potential to be an actual person.

[835] It's made entirely in a factory.

[836] There's no soul whatsoever, but it's made out of an artificial flesh with bones.

[837] It moves at you and it's trying to bite you.

[838] And what do you do?

[839] You fucking sword fight this bitch.

[840] On the notebook of people who are working on making clones and shit, how far down do you think clone artificial zombies is?

[841] It's surely their first going to be looking.

[842] A lot of my ideas, especially my mom.

[843] more poorly thought out ones, a lot of them require like some sort of a demise of civilization for them to be valid.

[844] And this is one of them.

[845] We would have to have some serious casualties.

[846] We'd have to devalue life in a way where, like today.

[847] I like it as the answer, though, when people are against cloning and the dangers of it and they're not a real person and the risks of playing God, it's like, well, no, they're zombies.

[848] We're only going to make them, we're not going to have them thinking and acting.

[849] We're just cloning's all right as long as we're making brain dead zombies, essentially.

[850] Well, if we really just decided to start cloning people, that would be a huge issue.

[851] Could you imagine if people just decided that they wanted to make more screwbeys pips?

[852] Yeah.

[853] What if they got a hold of your DNA and they made a bunch of them and you didn't even realize they did that until they were like 15 or 16, then you meet them?

[854] And you're an older man and you're meeting yourself at 15.

[855] There's like 20 of you and you're like, what the fuck?

[856] I'm not even responsible for my own self growing up.

[857] And they come in there to wipe you out.

[858] Yeah, and they're using your name.

[859] They can be only one using the name.

[860] They're all Joe Rogan's, a ton of Joe Rogan.

[861] They all have your fingerprint.

[862] Is that what the real Rick Ross and Rick Ross thing actually is?

[863] Is it a clone thing?

[864] No, they don't look to like at all.

[865] The real Rick Ross is actually quite lean.

[866] God damn it.

[867] The fake Rick Ross is the one is...

[868] If cloning came about and you had the choice of doing it yourself, would that be of any...

[869] Why would I want to clone myself?

[870] I don't see how I'd benefit from that.

[871] It'd just be me. I don't get it, but if it came about, surely, you would have the rights to your own DNA.

[872] Surely that'd be a key thing rather than me finding out and bumping into a script.

[873] It'd have to be I would have made that happen.

[874] But you would find out that when you signed your terms of use when you got your iPhone that you gave up your right to clone yourself and that they own you.

[875] Yeah.

[876] So every time you like use your phone, a little bit of your DNA gets in you from your earwax gets into the speaker and then you turn them in and then they make copies of you.

[877] It'll be some scam that they expose on CNN or something.

[878] If they're making iPhones They're taking iPhones Then using them as DNA collectors Yeah They're making copies of Scroby's PIP Well I think we're going to wonder At one point in time We're going to wonder What is it acceptable way to consider How to engineer Our civilization Both like as our society Like how we have How we govern ourselves How we have laws How we distribute money And then also like How we breed Like there's going to come a point in time and people become like super, super intelligent and far removed from this weird sort of ape -like situation we find ourselves in today.

[879] And if they get to that point, one day, they'd be like, look, how much should we be investing our intellectual time into actively breeding people the way we do every other animal that we have under our control?

[880] I mean, the way we breed cows, the way we breed dogs, should we just keep doing this whole thing on love or should we just love everybody and breed according to the best, way possible to enhance the human race is that but surely that had in turn just involve cutting down breeding hugely because surely the biggest problem of the human race is that there's far too many of us to fit on this that's true but with that boiling pot of having far too many of us it's like it sort of highlights the reason why that would be a terrible idea because there's so many variables that make society awesome and all of them come from completely different realities Like the variable of the computer geek is a very different reality than the variable of a pro football player And all these variables, like in biological variables too Like as far as like the way your body works Might lead you in one direction or another Like lead your desires and that's what makes this whole world So fucking cool and crazy in the first place So could you imagine if we got so far advanced That we decided to start genetically engineering Selecting the end goal straight away Rather than everything that can influence influence and and yeah and in doing so we lost all art yeah we lost all of it because it's not functional and well because everybody's perfect yeah yeah everyone's perfect no one has any emotions everyone's rational and logical yeah there's no more art it's over we're super advanced no art and art and no strippers it's killer well we'd have robot strippers and then we would slowly start to devolve and people enjoyed robot strippers more than they involved uh and enjoyed meditation classes.

[881] Memory injection, though, they're not real.

[882] You just have like a Netflix of like memories like, oh, I just fuck that stripper.

[883] You know what I mean?

[884] Well, I think there's definitely going to be a time where you're going to be able to download memories.

[885] I think that's I think that is without a doubt what we're seeing with these Google glasses.

[886] What you're seeing is the beginning.

[887] Like, you could take photos with Google Glass, right?

[888] Yeah.

[889] You can look at things, you can take photos.

[890] Well, if you can look at things and take photos, what are you doing when you're taking a photo?

[891] You're capturing time.

[892] You're capturing a moment.

[893] It's just not the best version of it.

[894] But it's way better than a painting, and that's how they used to capture time.

[895] Everything that's here now and pulling it into a little...

[896] Exactly, exactly.

[897] But it's very two -dimensional.

[898] It's right in front of you.

[899] Well, it'll eventually become three -dimensional, and then one day it will be immersive.

[900] One day you'll be able to record and not just record a single image.

[901] Like, this is the baby steps.

[902] One day, you know, this is like when people first started to figure out a fire, you know, and what that led to is the combustion engine.

[903] I mean, think about that, all the way up to plane travel.

[904] It was figure out fire.

[905] All other shit comes up.

[906] up after it.

[907] Well, we're seeing now, by being able to take a photograph with the glasses, we're capturing time in a very rudimentary way, but really, for us, amazing.

[908] Well, one day, we're going to be able to capture everything about it, the way your seat feels, the way your hands are sweaty, the way your beard isches, the way your clothes fit, you're going to be in that life.

[909] So you'll be able to take someone's memory and just run, whatever it is, you know, an hour program, a two -hour program, you know, people will be able to upload their sexual exploits you mean that's going to be legit we should remove the point of needing a memory as such because if you can just access it all if you know i mean it'd kill our ability to actually remember stuff because you don't need to ensure the same as how google already and now there's so much that you don't need to learn or take in because you can really quickly see who was in that film and who yeah and what else he was in there's that kind of instant thing so yeah absolutely i think the first thing that's going to happen is there there's going to be a search of your memory starting from a certain period of time where you're going to be able to access, like, what you had said in the past or did in the past, and it's going to be more searchable, like, to the point where I could go, what did I say last night around 10 o 'clock?

[910] You said at 10 .1, blah, blah, blah, while standing at this location.

[911] And you know what I mean?

[912] Right, right, right.

[913] You're going to have Google for yourself.

[914] Yeah, you'll be able to ask it.

[915] Yeah.

[916] Which you did.

[917] Yeah.

[918] It'll be able to pull it up.

[919] It's going to ruin the fun of arguments, though, right?

[920] When you can accurately, when you can accurately say, no, here's what you actually said.

[921] This isn't rather than no, no, no, no. I didn't say, I never said that.

[922] I meant what I said was this.

[923] No, let's, where were you last night?

[924] That's the next logical progression, right?

[925] Because Google's already ruined the bullshitter's argument.

[926] And people bullshit about stuff, you go, wait man, let me Google that.

[927] Bitch, that's not true.

[928] Like, how many of those conversations have happened since Google were, those guys would have been insufferable fucks forever?

[929] Completely.

[930] It's weird.

[931] I always enjoyed in, in football or soccer, as you guys insist on calling it.

[932] We don't insist on calling it.

[933] We wish it was.

[934] It's just not interesting.

[935] That ball will pop.

[936] These white people in America would stop pretending they like soccer to appear more interesting.

[937] Hipsters.

[938] For years, they were pushing for goal line technology and all this to see if a goal definitely happen.

[939] And the main guy in charge, his argument for not having it was, one of the best things about this sport is arguing over that shit.

[940] And I love that.

[941] I love that as a kind of, that's the best logical reason I've heard that it's better not knowing exactly.

[942] It's a referee's decision.

[943] And then the next day you're like, that.

[944] clearly went over the line this is yep that's great that's part of sport that's a big thing in baseball in baseball it's so boring but they love to argue when someone's safe or out yeah and they'll fucking play that foot touching that bag a hundred times and the guy catching the ball and the foot touching the bag and they'll play that shit over and over and over again that's a terrible call by the referee i disagree from my point of view i think it was the right call whereas if technology is just saying no here's the answer that's that that was out exactly takes all the fun out of it takes a little bit of the fun out of it, especially goofy sports.

[945] Goofy sports.

[946] You know, it's like, it's a strange thing, our obsession with scoring, you know?

[947] I mean, it's really kind of, we have a built -in need for war and a built -in need to conquer and a built -in need to form tribes to go on after other tribes.

[948] We figured out a way to do it peaceably through sport, you know, through organized, high -level athletic competitions, we have our team takes on your team, and if we win, we drink, and we run to this treats, whoo -hoo!

[949] Do you think there's then an intentional thing in sports?

[950] Like, I mean, in MMA, everyone talks about, is the 10 -point must system, the right system?

[951] Do you think there's an active thing of, well, yeah, because everyone's having this discussion and talking about it and engaging about this fight, rather than, oh, you know, it'd be best if we actually knew who won and who...

[952] The problem with that is, sometimes the scoring system is so bad and so ineffective that it leaves everyone feeling like they get robbed.

[953] Yeah.

[954] You see, I think the scoring system works.

[955] It's just you need better understanding from the judges and from all of that.

[956] I think, again, almost any system, if it's clear enough and the people understand it, then it works.

[957] I agree with you in some ways.

[958] But I also think that it's just not a comprehensive enough system to have 10 points.

[959] Because MMA is not one sport.

[960] See, if it's boxing, the thing about boxing is, did this guy use his hands better?

[961] or did that guy use his hands better?

[962] Yeah.

[963] This guy did.

[964] Well, then he wins.

[965] Look, we got, he scored 100, you know, punches.

[966] Five, you know, of them were this, and 10 were that, and 30 with it.

[967] And you go over these statistics, and it's kind of clear who won the, who got the round.

[968] It's not hard to figure out.

[969] Yeah.

[970] But when you start factoring in things like takedowns and then things like leg kicks and things like submission attempts and you have to quantify, what's more important, whether it's the strike or the takedown, what's more important?

[971] is it more important this guy landed five punches or is more important that guy took the other guy down and held on to him and did nothing and different people are going to have different opinions it's very subjective and when you you're dealing with something like a 10 point system one guy's going to get 10 one guy's going to get nine like it's very screwy it's you need more you need you need like a scoring for grap bring a variation right so scoring yeah all the way across each one yeah there should be like a score for everything that happens in the round and there should be like 10 9 for each event and like if they're standing up 10 -9 John Jones controlled the stand -up but then John got it to the ground and it was 10 -6 because he almost submitted them beat the shit out of them controlled them you know when it came to take down defense you know this guy got that you know and you could have it like that and then count up the score but then that would be tough if they're on the ground for a small amount of time but that time they were on the ground this guy scored that guy right then if they've got 10s six for that, that was like, that was 30 seconds.

[972] If a guy, no, because if a guy goes to the ground and it's only for a few seconds, it's not going to mean anything.

[973] You have to have a submission attempt for it to mean something.

[974] So if you, the guy just went to the ground and they got back up, it'd probably be a 9 -9.

[975] If a guy takes you down and get back up and you get immediately back up, it may not be even, but it's pretty close to even.

[976] I just think that if a judge is properly educated on it, then they'll be able to come closer and take all that into account and know that But that takedown, there were three takedowns, but he didn't do anything while he was down, or they got up straight away.

[977] And I think, yeah, if there's a greater education on the judges, they'd be able to work that system.

[978] I wish I was English just so I could say straight away and say it like normal, and proper.

[979] And that's a proper fight.

[980] No, you're right, but I just think there's not enough variables, or I think there's too many variables, rather, and not enough accounting for those variables in the current scoring system.

[981] Why is it that they bring Herb Dean and all these great refs into each of these places, yet it tends to be the judges are more a local thing and local, why couldn't they have the same they have with the judges, a kind of elite, here's the 10 best judges who are specialist MMA, not doing a boxing one weekend and kickboxing or wrestling another weekend, only do MMA and therefore be more specialist.

[982] Well, that's the local athletic commissions have the say on who gets to ref, who gets a judge and it's an issue that we deal with when we fight when we have events in certain places that don't have a lot of high -level fights and so you'll have local judges that were appointed by the commissions and they're on television and they're doing a terrible fucking job and they do things like they get too involved they have two big egos so they're like get in the way of the action they tell guys to fight and the guys are fighting they become a distraction instead of enforcing the rules but that seems to happen a lot less like it seems to be they'll tend to choose the bigger refs for big events.

[983] For big events it's critical.

[984] If you have a big fight, you want an Eve Levine, you want Herb Dean, you know, you want Josh Rosenthal before he went to jail, you want Big John McCarthy, you want somebody who's not going to fuck up, you know.

[985] Mark Goddard in the UK.

[986] It's great.

[987] I did his course on his seminar on refereeing and judging and I think he's just, yeah.

[988] Mark's great.

[989] It's got such a good, similar to Herb in the kind of the calmness in the cage of knowing that yeah yeah there's a lot of good guys in control yeah yeah yeah it's a hard gig it's a very hard gig it's very difficult to make the right decision and you have to be on top of the action you can't let someone get hurt but you also can't stop a fight too soon and you have to be very knowledgeable there's a there's a there's a it's a very very stressful position that doesn't get a lot of reward like people don't appreciate when they're really good but they get very upset if they're bad and it's easy It's an easy job for everyone that isn't doing it to do.

[990] It's easy to sit there and go, oh, there you go.

[991] That's completely wrong, but.

[992] That's, that's absolutely true.

[993] It's, you know, but that's true with a lot of things.

[994] You know, watching it from the outside, it looks like it would be easy.

[995] But doing that is way harder than what I do.

[996] What I do is tricky, but it's not nearly as hard as being a referee.

[997] I think that's way harder.

[998] Those guys, people get mad at them, man. They stop fights too soon.

[999] Dude, push them.

[1000] guys fucking scream at them you know like and they have to build control shit too you know yeah like when when things are going down and you know if guys won't get off of each other and they won't stop hitting each other that's why I get nervous when I see female referees and big men like I was gonna say do you think experience in the cage is key for a referee because again I always feel the people like the people that have actually fought or have trained on on judging or referee and surely that would benefit your ability to know when someone's needs helping or needs protecting rather than having not experienced it and kind of being outside on it.

[1001] I think that's a good point.

[1002] I think most definitely having some high -level training.

[1003] Most definitely understanding when a guy's in a bad position, like when a guy's neck is about to get hurt, when a guy's arm is about to snap.

[1004] You know, like when Herb Dean stopped the Tim Sylvia versus Frank Mear, Frank Mear broke his arm and Herb jumped in.

[1005] and stopped, he heard the snap and he stepped in and stopped the action.

[1006] And Tim didn't know when it wasn't tapping.

[1007] Yeah, he wasn't tapping and he was still trying to keep fighting.

[1008] He knew something wrong with his arm, but he didn't know exactly what it was.

[1009] I mean, that's because Herb has grappled, he's fought MMA, he's a very high -level martial artist himself.

[1010] So he knew there was a bad situation.

[1011] But, like, say if that was like someone who had never trained and maybe he was out of shape and just didn't recognize it, that guy's arm could have got fucked up really badly.

[1012] Yeah.

[1013] Because if Frank kept yanking on it, and he would have kept yanking on it.

[1014] He wasn't going to let that fucking thing go.

[1015] I mean, he could have torn through his skin.

[1016] It could have been a compound fracture.

[1017] It could have been really, really, really ugly.

[1018] Yeah.

[1019] And I guess it is a compound fracture when they both break.

[1020] Yeah.

[1021] But when they puncture through the skin, that's another level of severity because you have to worry about infections.

[1022] And it's super dangerous.

[1023] And that could easily happen if you got the wrong guy who's a rough in a fight.

[1024] Tough job.

[1025] Leon Roberts is another UK guy.

[1026] It's very good.

[1027] Yeah, he's great.

[1028] He's excellent.

[1029] There's a lot of good guys that are doing it now.

[1030] There's a lot of good guys.

[1031] There's a large group of people that sort of grew up being M .M .A. fans and got involved in smaller shows and became like a trusted referee.

[1032] But, you know, the gold standard is always like John McCarthy, Herb Dean.

[1033] Those are the gold standard.

[1034] And Rosenthal was great too, man. Unfortunately, he went to jail.

[1035] Yeah.

[1036] For that weed, son, slanging that weed up in Northern California.

[1037] And apparently had some pistols.

[1038] He's not supposed to have They had to penalize It's no good Robbed of a good Yeah it sucked He's a cool dude Yeah he's a cool dude too I mean I hope when he gets out of jail They recognize it wasn't a violent crime And they yeah They reinstate him But you know Dudes in jail for like Over a year for weed But you know I don't know What you're I guess it's like If you If you're selling medical marijuana It's legal statewide but it's not legal federally so I don't know I guess you could still get busted for it federally but he wasn't even doing that he was just slinging weed there was no federal involved who's like getting paid selling plants which I support 100 % I'm tired it's so stupid it's just it's unbelievably stupid that it's possible to lock someone in a cage for selling plants in 2010 it's dumb as fuck I don't care if it's written on a piece of paper it's dumb as fuck selling plants to people who want them plants and grownups and adults.

[1039] Should you have guns on them?

[1040] Probably shouldn't have illegal guns on them.

[1041] That I agree.

[1042] I mean, that part's harder to argue.

[1043] I'm not arguing that part.

[1044] The guns, not so much.

[1045] But yeah, now I get that, it's crazy.

[1046] Yeah, it's just so sad.

[1047] And one day they're going to look back and they're going to realize how unbelievably stupid we were when it came to our drug policies.

[1048] Unbelievably stupid.

[1049] Like we took the most beneficial, the least harmful ones.

[1050] and we made them the most illegal and put people in jail for the longest amount of time for those.

[1051] It's the perception of it as well.

[1052] I always remember when I was younger and I was smoking a lot of weed and doing a lot of acid and shit like that and reading...

[1053] Good times.

[1054] Yeah, good times.

[1055] And reading Tim Filiari's thing of when he was saying how the way society looks at drugs is legal or not legal.

[1056] His argument was it should be treated like a car that you have to...

[1057] If you want to buy acid, You pass a test, you get your license, you basically prove that you're intelligent and of sound mind enough to enjoy this.

[1058] And then you go and buy it.

[1059] Not like, not because the one drug we've got in alcohol, it's just you pay money and that's that.

[1060] Right.

[1061] Anyone can have it.

[1062] It's kind of, yeah, I loved that the first time I read that of the small mindiness of the way we approach it when there's millions of ways to approach the legalization of every drug.

[1063] Well, it's also very strange when we arbitrarily decide that one.

[1064] drug, regardless of its impact on people's health and well -being and crimes committed under the influence of it, which is like one of the most devastating ones, alcohol, and we make that our primary drug.

[1065] And we just decide.

[1066] That's the one.

[1067] That's a drug.

[1068] I'm behind that one.

[1069] If you're going to do that, if you're dealing with a sophisticated intelligent civilization like the UK, like the United States of America, like the Western world in the year 2014, You're dealing with people that have just previously impossible levels of access to information.

[1070] It's unparalleled access to information.

[1071] It's never in human history.

[1072] And yet, in the face of this, in the face of this overwhelming evidence, you're choosing to put people in cages for plants.

[1073] Like that, that's unconscionable.

[1074] It's intolerable.

[1075] Because we've known it for so long that it's just acceptable.

[1076] It's the same as we were saying early with religion of how ludicrous it is, but because it's been there for so long, it's accepted.

[1077] It's exactly the same with that.

[1078] But I think it's changing.

[1079] If you strip it down and started it again, if that didn't happen and some a politician came in and said, what we're going to do is we're going to put humans in cages, and people are going to go absolutely mental.

[1080] That didn't already exist.

[1081] That was a new thing.

[1082] They'd be like, what the fuck are you talking about?

[1083] You're not putting people in cages for plants?

[1084] Is that guy's, yeah.

[1085] He's violated drug policy number 65290.

[1086] He has more than one gram of marijuana on him for personal consumption.

[1087] Get in that fucking cage, shippie.

[1088] Yeah, it's crazy.

[1089] Didn't they just change it in Brooklyn?

[1090] Didn't they just make Brooklyn make weed legal in Brooklyn?

[1091] Medical, I think, yes.

[1092] I think New York.

[1093] Medical in New York, but I think they just made edibles legal?

[1094] Really?

[1095] Where?

[1096] In New York.

[1097] Edibles are legal in New York.

[1098] Marijuana in New York.

[1099] Hmm.

[1100] Hmm, that's nice I like hearing that shit Florida was the opposite That everyone told me like You know It's so bad if they find a seed In your car They will get you Yeah they'll fuck with you in Florida Dude they only want cocaine Yeah Do do do do Yeah it's a medical marijuana state As of July 5th of 2014 So you can get medical weed In New York Good Jesus Christ How is this 2014 it's happened Especially the medical which is, by the way, a Trojan horse.

[1101] But especially the medical, because the medical is, you can't argue against it.

[1102] People have interocular pressure from glaucoma, it cures them, it helps relieve pain, it helps regain the appetite of people that are suffering from AIDS and on chemotherapy.

[1103] It's like there's so many benefits.

[1104] It's impossible to argue medically.

[1105] How long do you think it will be before it just spreads over the country?

[1106] Because it seems to it worked, like everywhere it's gone, right, it's worked and it's good for the economy.

[1107] The best shit is when we get the people in Iowa high.

[1108] That's going to make the world a way better place.

[1109] All those tense dudes who are out there deer hunting.

[1110] Get those guys high.

[1111] Everybody needs to just get a, it's a perspective enhancing moment.

[1112] That's what's going on here, folks.

[1113] Do I mean that everybody needs to get high?

[1114] No, I don't really mean that everyone needs to get high.

[1115] You don't.

[1116] If you're a happy person the way you are, keep on, keeping on, son.

[1117] But the idea that people can't benefit from something that people have clearly benefited from not just benefited from have but have stated over and over again that they benefited from it you don't hear that about a lot of other drugs this is a great drug you know and there's a lot I mean I benefit from several different drugs but like caffeine I benefit from caffeine you know we don't like to think of it as a drug but that's a drug it's an absolute drug and I like it I love coffee marijuana is a very beneficial drug there's a lot of great aspects to it can it be abused, of course.

[1118] Everything can be abused.

[1119] Every single thing.

[1120] Food can be abused.

[1121] But as grown -ups, that should be a choice that you can make, right?

[1122] It's just about being a disciplined grown -up.

[1123] I mean, I stopped smoking, like, or I haven't had any marijuana in, like, over 10 years now, but it just wasn't, it wasn't working out for me personally.

[1124] But that doesn't mean, again, it's not, I'm still very pro as, as I think everyone should try, or it's positive to try all these things.

[1125] Yeah, and the idea that everyone is going to respond exactly the same way to any given substance, whether it's aspirin or marijuana.

[1126] I mean, there's a reason why some people are allergic to some things and other people enjoy, like shrimp.

[1127] Some people eat shrimp and they'll get sick as fuck.

[1128] I love shrimp.

[1129] It's delicious.

[1130] It's to make it illegal.

[1131] It's dangerous.

[1132] They're not to make it illegal.

[1133] It's not safe for society.

[1134] I mean, there's a good percentage of the population that's allergic to shellfish.

[1135] It's a fairly common allergy.

[1136] And if they had chosen the same sort of ideas that they have on like marijuana addiction this is one that they love to throw around marijuana addiction i would like to put marijuana addiction next to shellfish allergy and see which one is more common yeah because i bet shellfish allergy is way more fucking common than marijuana and so the idea of making it illegal because one tiny percentage of the population gets physically addicted to it well i don't know what's going on their body they might be physically addicted but for me i know I can stop and not have weed for weeks and I don't feel any physical pain.

[1137] Nothing.

[1138] I've taken two weeks off and had nothing, not felt a thing.

[1139] Not an urge, not a just living life.

[1140] There's no want, there's no itch that you can't scratch.

[1141] It's weird that we have these arbitrary decisions that get made a long time ago and that they stick just because someone wrote them somewhere.

[1142] We're so goofy like that.

[1143] He's protecting against addictive personalities, I guess, or physical addiction, but people will have that for anything.

[1144] Did you see the New York Times said that, you know, they did a New York Times editorial saying that marijuana should be decriminalized nationwide?

[1145] And the government had a response to the New York Times that was so goofy.

[1146] And it included all this shit about children, about the affecting the brains of children.

[1147] No one's saying give pot to fucking children.

[1148] Did you even listen?

[1149] They didn't even read the editorial.

[1150] The editorial is about adults, informed adults, should be allowed to smoke marijuana.

[1151] And the government's thing, like, the response was all about kids.

[1152] It's like, you goofy fake babysitters, you don't give a fuck about kids.

[1153] You guys aren't in the hood.

[1154] You guys aren't in the hood saving babies.

[1155] Fuck off.

[1156] Fuck off.

[1157] You're not looking after kids.

[1158] It's not hurting kids.

[1159] Stop it.

[1160] No one's saying kids should go get high.

[1161] Jesus Christ.

[1162] It's ridiculous.

[1163] Goofy fucks.

[1164] But that's the kind of people that are responsible.

[1165] that's the kind of people that are responsible for our laws but who's saving the kids from shellfish who's who's out there fighting that battle they try to save me peanuts are a big one man yeah nuts free schools like the schools my god my daughter goes to my daughter goes to a nut free school why did they still have nuts on airplanes like i they still do it why wouldn't they just switch to cheese it's or something like why is it nuts anyways it's good question nuts are delicious there's tons of things like that though like the realization and making me want nuts I can't remember a comedian was talking about how how come when epilepsy came about and we didn't go all right we don't need strobe lights then strobe lights aren't a necesses oh that could kill you send you into a fit let's get rid of them that's fine we don't need unless it's like no we need to party my friend Jim his wife would black out she would see like one of those animated gifts online I just put him somewhere else just I thought he was fucking around do you remember that guy Jim from the message board he um he put some uh some warning up like saying like hey you guys take down these fucking strobes and then of course everybody changed their avatar to a strobe like fuck off maybe you just shut off avatars instead of killing the party yeah if you like you know didn't know that you were going to see something and if you saw it it would black you out you'd have to be like really careful about your viewing habits you know there we go don't do that Many people die.

[1166] You shouldn't do that, man. That's rude as fuck.

[1167] That's going to bring the aliens back if you do that.

[1168] Yeah, right.

[1169] They're going to come back and land.

[1170] It's a secret signal.

[1171] Yeah, there were some radio signals they just found in the galaxy recently.

[1172] Fascinating.

[1173] New radio signals found in the galaxy.

[1174] And people are speculating as to whether or not it's aliens.

[1175] What's it sound like?

[1176] Does it sound like static or is it?

[1177] I don't think it's like a sound.

[1178] I think it's like a signal.

[1179] Radio, waves emitted from nearby galaxy.

[1180] Wow.

[1181] Yeah, that's interesting.

[1182] Shit, man. July 10th.

[1183] Mysterious signal from a galaxy far, far away.

[1184] Brief pulse detected by the Arescebo telescope appears to come from far beyond our galaxy.

[1185] Could be caused by evaporating black holes or mergers of neutron stars.

[1186] Or...

[1187] Aliens.

[1188] Could be aliens.

[1189] Could it be aliens?

[1190] Yes.

[1191] There's a chance.

[1192] They could be trying to reach us.

[1193] It could be a chance.

[1194] Did you see that video that somebody shared it to me on Twitter where they can take sound waves off video of like a plant and like map it out and it will recreate what the sound was when that video is recorded?

[1195] Yeah, well they can use a Doritos bag.

[1196] Yeah, Doritos bag.

[1197] You see you saw that video off.

[1198] That was nuts.

[1199] Incredible.

[1200] So if you're in a room and say like you're talking and you have like a Doritos bag there like a light piece of paper, they can focus on that.

[1201] And the impact of your voice on that Doritos bag, they can detect what you were saying.

[1202] They can detect the sounds.

[1203] What?

[1204] Damn.

[1205] See if I can find that video.

[1206] That is the mind blower of the week's mind blowers.

[1207] And we were getting excited about cameras earlier.

[1208] And that's fucking insane.

[1209] Yeah, I mean, how much smarter are those people than me?

[1210] Yeah.

[1211] They're so much smarter.

[1212] Like, that's not even a human.

[1213] Like, anybody that can figure that out, like, when I think about my potential, for figuring things out and their potential for figuring things out like you know the tools that they have the the the steps that they are ahead i could live a hundred lives and never even catch up to where they are never even get close it's amazing like when people want to pretend that all people are created equal why don't you pay attention there's some motherfuckers out there that are getting sound off doritos bags and guess what fuckface they're smarter than yeah they're just their brains work better here we go the results of this video are the best experienced through When sound hits an object, it causes that object to vibrate.

[1214] The motion of this vibration creates a subtle visual signal that's usually invisible to the naked eye.

[1215] In our work, we show how using only a video of the object and a suitable processing algorithm, we can extract these minute vibrations and partially recover the sounds that produced them, letting us turn everyday visible objects into visual microphones.

[1216] It's crazy.

[1217] In the silent high -speed video shown here on the left, we see the leaves of a potted plant shown on the right.

[1218] The video was recorded while a nearby loudspeaker played the notes to Mary had a little lamb.

[1219] Oh my God.

[1220] So now what they're going to do, they record it with a sound and they're going to play it back using...

[1221] Even when we play the video in slow motion here, the vibrations caused by the music are so subtle that they move the plant's leaves by less than a hundredth of a pixel.

[1222] making the plant appear still to the naked eye.

[1223] But by combining and filtering all the tiny motion happening across the image that you see, we are able to recover this sound.

[1224] Oh my God, it's crazy.

[1225] So in the future, we're going to be able to take old video and find out what we're really talking about or JFK or something.

[1226] Oh my God.

[1227] Oh my God.

[1228] That's insane.

[1229] We recovered live human speech from high -speed video of a bag of chips, lying on the ground.

[1230] But to make things a little more challenging, this time we put the camera outside behind a soundproof window.

[1231] This is what a cell phone was able to record from inside next to the bag of chips.

[1232] Mary had a little lamb whose fleece was white as snow.

[1233] And everywhere that Mary went, that lamb was sure to go.

[1234] And this is what we were able to recover from high -speed video, filmed from outside, behind.

[1235] fine soundproof glass.

[1236] That's haunting.

[1237] That's haunting.

[1238] And everywhere that man was stored to death.

[1239] That's haunting.

[1240] Oh, my God.

[1241] That's amazing.

[1242] That's amazing.

[1243] So what that's going to happen is we're going to be able to take old home movies, especially like the 8mm kind that's like no sound that used to have in the 70s.

[1244] We're going to be able to eventually probably take that and actually recreate the sound of everything that was going on as long as they had the three o's pocket no but it's not filmed at the same resolution well as an example they're going to show it now at a very lower resolution at this part of the video and that this is early on so i think in the future they're going to be able to get it to the point of being able to do that because here's what they can do with just a typical camera uh right like a laptop yeah yeah so here i was show which can record thousands of in most consumer cameras We can sometimes actually recover sound at frequencies several times higher than the frame rate of our video, letting us recover audio from video captured on regular consumer cameras.

[1245] Here we see a 60 frames per second video of a bag of candy captured on a regular consumer DSLR while our Mary had a little land music played through a nearby loudspeaker.

[1246] And 60 frames is like half the speed that like the iPhone can do.

[1247] Wow.

[1248] That's in fucking same, man. This is so strange.

[1249] By using a variation of our technique on the rows of the recorded video, we are able to recover this audio, which includes frequencies more than five times higher than the frame rate of our camera.

[1250] So yeah.

[1251] Expect new crazy ghost in the future from the past.

[1252] What a weird, weird world we live.

[1253] in man what a weird world that someone can figure that out that's well that someone can try to figure it out in the first place it's just insane just the actual thing of having the idea and perception of thinking of that is just yeah yeah that's a real game changer right so humbling yeah you know it's like you i really feel when i see something like that that we're in we're very fortunate in the time that we live that we're going to get to see these things yeah that we're a part of this insane moment in history where things are becoming so complicated so quickly so powerful so quickly the the impact of them the impact of people's words just it's it's never been in time like this man's the speed of it all is insane like the speed the the chain or the or the speed we went from the invention of the internet which is putting everyone in the world in touch with everyone else and then the speed we went from that to turn it into something that we just look at tits on and tweet people and talk shit coming.

[1254] The speed which we just become comfortable with this amazing piece of technology that we should be using to find out amazing things constantly, but 90 % of the time we've got so comfortable with it because it's just on your phone now.

[1255] It's not this great jumping technology that...

[1256] Well, we take it for granted while it's doing its work.

[1257] Yeah.

[1258] And it's doing its work, and its work is connecting all of us.

[1259] connecting all of us and i mean we're connected in some really bizarre ways now man that's uh i mean what we're seeing on this the screen we're watching this video that's a fascinating new thing an amazing new thing but it's probably one of like a million new things that are coming out that are going to freak us the fuck out you know all this stuff is essentially magic it's crazy how they're freak us out for like a minute and then it'll just be regular and then it's just fine then it's going to be an app that should be a It'll be an app on your phone in two years.

[1260] It's creating time travel but using it like weird, like old VCR type kind of technology where we're going to be recreating everything that's ever happened based on tree DNA or something.

[1261] So weird, man. Yeah, you're going to be able to watch an outdoor video and watch the look, stare at the trees and listen to the actual voices that the people were saying while they were near those trees.

[1262] Well, not only that, they'll probably be able to do things digitally to change the resists.

[1263] of things like probably some sort of an algorithm where they'll like be able to analyze each individual pixel enhance in post the the camera's reaction to the image and change it and enhance it and recreate reality based on some sort of an understanding of the surroundings.

[1264] I love the idea that this technology could come about though but the the the foible of it would be they have to be near a plant or a Doritos packet or some kind of it's like we've had these great moments in history but it wasn't next to a plant so fuck we'll never know what where would be a safe place be would it be underwater or would it know wouldn't it well would it imagine if they figured out a way imagine if they figured out a way I'm gonna watch what I say around Doritos packets from now on I don't want to in case I'm picked up stay away from Doritos imagine if they figure out a way to recreate old historical videos and actually make them like a part of the Oculus Rift make them like super high resolution calculate them based on all that like say if they took the Kennedy assassination and they calculated it on all known photographs of the area they did a very comprehensive analysis they in detail every photo of Kennedy's face ever taken every photo of Jackie O ever taken every inch of one of those crazy limousines that Kennedy was driving in the convertible limousines every inch of it and then they put you in a virtual reality where you're at the scene and you got to watch the zepruder film play out like right there like you're there you're looking at zepruder holding the camera and you know you could move around on it i mean this sounds like this hurr you know like because the sounds from reflections of like yeah they'll figure out a way to they'll yeah you wonder if you'll ever be able to accurately like replay the voices.

[1265] Yeah.

[1266] But the recreations of historical events in three -dimension in virtual reality is inevitable.

[1267] Like, I mean, if people are making paintings of Nixon, they're definitely going to make, like, a virtual reality scenario where he gets shot at the theater.

[1268] Yeah.

[1269] You get to see John Wilkes Booth sneak up behind him and shoot him.

[1270] They're going to have that.

[1271] And peace and all, yeah.

[1272] Yeah.

[1273] Historical events, any known historical events, you know.

[1274] I'm writing a story or song or whatever at the moment about a guy that.

[1275] that gets a chance meet some kind of God or whatever but gets told you can have one truth and you've got to pick everything throughout history like you could pick like to know what happened with JFK or to know if Jesus was real or whatever and just what would that one I mean in this story he ends up going through all of that and then asking if his girlfriend cheated on him because that's the reality that's the truth that you'd ask and need to know but what the fuck would you it's weird because JFK is one that I always come to, and I'm not American, I've got no. I think it's just because it's such a conspiracy theory hotbed that I want to know the actual truth.

[1276] Yeah.

[1277] I think the actual truth would be interesting, but I'm pretty convinced of a conspiracy when it came to JFK.

[1278] I've seen the evidence that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone, and one of the things that I don't find compelling is that there was obviously some, the Warren Commission had a predetermined be a predetermined conclusion that they wanted to reach yeah and that was that there was a lone gunman and they wanted to reach it so badly that they ignored evans to the contrary and even concocted crazy stories like the magic bullet theory yeah yeah yeah they only did that because they had to account for a bullet that hit a underpass and ricochate so they had to account they had to make all these wounds come out of one bullet because they know there's only three shots from this was the only reason why they did it is to wrap up there it wasn't like a scientific analysis like they looked at it all it was done by oran hatch he's a he's a was it oran hatch i think it was single bullet theory i want to say it was him it was one of those fucking weirdos from um the the the the the uh remember when um anita hill and clarence thomas and there was uh do you know who anita hill is in clarence thomas is supreme court justice who uh when they were trying to uh appoint him there was this crazy story that came out like he told this woman Anita Hill this really sexy black chick he told her that there's a pubic hair and her coke remember that did you ever find out of coke like the like sales went up during that time or was like Pepsi sales I bet that'd be fascinating I wonder right yeah you know pubic hair makes me want to buy Pepsi Arlen Spector sorry that's who he was it was wasn't Orrin Hatch it was Arlen Specter but I think Orrin Hatch was involved in as well but Arlen Specter was just like this known creeper he was just one of those guys that had been around he was a democrat switched to a republican then switched back to democrat he's just a shifty fucking character and he was the one who came up with a single bullet theory he was the guy was his idea how about would you say one bullet just went fucking nutty it's crazy that they would even consider trying a shit like that on something that's clearly the biggest case you know i mean going to be the most scrutinized thing it's equally insane that it's stupid that they can be equally insane that they would think yeah that that will do we'll tell the people that but it did work I mean there's people that argue it today so they were right like whether or not they were right or not I'm not sure but they were right that people would accept the fact that this one bullet did all that damage to put that there I mean it's so preposterous in so many different ways and I have conversations with people but you can't deny the actual bullets dimensions itself the bullet itself was in pristine condition people hate this conversation because it's been done so many times before but there's also fragments of it that it was left in the body of Connolly especially where they weren't accounted for they weren't missing for the bullet they found on the gurney that wasn't the bullet that did all that just wasn't it's not a bullet that shattered bone it just wasn't fucked up enough it doesn't make any sense much more likely since it was found on the gurney at the hospital that somebody placed it there and to pretend that people wouldn't place it there is preposterous you find a pristine bullet on a gurney on Governor Colley's gurney in the hospital.

[1279] Do you assume that someone placed it or do you assume that this is a bullet that went through two people and just happened to wind up on a gurney?

[1280] Well, either one of those is true.

[1281] Or either one of those is possible, rather.

[1282] You know, to say that you absolutely know that that's the single bullet, and this is the reason why.

[1283] No, it easily could be placed there.

[1284] And if it was placed there, your whole theory of one bullet doing that thing, well, you have no bullet.

[1285] Like, where's the bullet that did all this?

[1286] What does it look like now?

[1287] Well, it looks One or something You don't know So because Finding the bullet Was the only reason Why people were willing To believe That one bullet did all this damage So they had Which is really ridiculous Because you would think That would be contrary Because like It's a bullet that was like Shot into a swimming pool Or something It doesn't look fucked up at all I don't know man The either or thing Is it's a problem as well Because everybody wants to say Lee Harvey Oswald Acting Alone No he didn't It was a conspiracy Could be Lee Harvey Oswald was a part of the conspiracy.

[1288] You know, that's possible, too.

[1289] He could have been their patsy, like he said I was a patsy, but he also could have been involved in it, which would account for the slaying of the officer, like a police officer was shot, and they attributed that to Lee Harvey Oswald.

[1290] He might have shot a cop because he was a guilty fuck.

[1291] He might have been involved.

[1292] He might have been one of the gunmen.

[1293] There might have been several gunmen.

[1294] And they might have just had that guy, like, set up as a patsy from the jump because he had a wife that was Russian, he was from Russia.

[1295] Either way, they killed.

[1296] Kennedy.

[1297] I wouldn't, I wouldn't, I wouldn't go back to see that.

[1298] I'd go to Roswell.

[1299] Yeah.

[1300] I'd want to see if a UFO crashed or it was just a fucking air balloon.

[1301] But that one, surely would, that one feels to me like it would, if, if it could potentially have the most disappointing outcome.

[1302] Yes.

[1303] I'm looking forward to being disappointed.

[1304] And then go, oh, fuck, it was an air balloon.

[1305] I want my, to confirm my suspicions.

[1306] And my suspicions are like, this is, this is, my suspicions when it comes to UFOs.

[1307] This is the big one.

[1308] I think that people are full of shit.

[1309] I think that there's enough full of shit people to account for some really good stories about UFOs.

[1310] Has anybody ever experienced an actual UFO from another planet?

[1311] It is absolutely possible.

[1312] That's not what I'm saying.

[1313] I'm not discounting.

[1314] If you're the one person out there that actually has a real unique experience with a UFO and you're not crazy, I'm not discounting you.

[1315] But what I'm saying is, when I look at all the evidence like the Roswell and all these different stories and all these different crash stories.

[1316] People are so full of shit that it's much more likely knowing the small number of these things that actually get reported.

[1317] People say thousands of sightings every year.

[1318] There's 350 million people in this country.

[1319] If you only get thousands of sightings every year, what are the odds of those people being crackpots?

[1320] 100%.

[1321] Yeah.

[1322] It might be 100%.

[1323] If it's not 100, it's 99 .99 .99 .99 .9 .9 .9.

[1324] It's too crazy.

[1325] It never happens to a really regular Mm -hmm.

[1326] And we can't, we, we must account for the number of crazy people that we have, that we've, we've counted.

[1327] There's a lot of them.

[1328] So if people are just having these episodes where they start telling you about UFO abductions and seeing ships that are invisible and move faster than time, like, it's also possible they're crazy and full of shit.

[1329] Like that's, so I would love to go back.

[1330] And if I went back to Roswell and I found an actual UFO, I would fucking change my tune.

[1331] But if I went back to Roswell and I just saw a bunch of people standing around a weather balloon.

[1332] It's good that your one isn't going back to, it's going back to disprove something, rather than witness this is, this is what happened.

[1333] It's like, no, this didn't happen.

[1334] Fuck that shit.

[1335] Absolute bullshit.

[1336] You can't come up with any of this anymore.

[1337] Well, I think I would like to be open -minded.

[1338] Look, no one would like it more than me if I went back and I actually saw a spaceship for another planet.

[1339] Like if you go to Area 51 and they could take you to the Bob Lazar place where they have this fucking gigantic hangar and you go inside and you see an actual alien UFO, holy shit, I would love that.

[1340] But it's way more likely to me that you get there and you see a bunch of remote control shit that the government's been working on and you see like some aircraft technology that led to the stealth bomber, which they know they built out of there.

[1341] That's more likely what the UFOs are.

[1342] Yeah, that makes more sense.

[1343] Yeah, although it was back engineering alien technology.

[1344] Well, I don't see a lot of evidence of that.

[1345] That seems like you're discounting human ingenuity, which is obviously fucking amazing.

[1346] Like, look at this sound thing.

[1347] Exactly.

[1348] So what we're looking at already is that back engineered from aliens who want to see what we're saying at distance?

[1349] So I think you're dealing with a lot of dull -minded people that can't even comprehend the intelligence level.

[1350] of the people that can conceive something like a stealth bomber.

[1351] So they're seeing this technology arising, they're attributing it to back engineering UFOs, when it really could just be people that are so smart, so much smarter than them, they're not even the same species, essentially.

[1352] They're just super fucking smart and they figure out a gang of shit.

[1353] Yeah.

[1354] That's way more likely.

[1355] Yeah, completely.

[1356] So the people who work for the government that have made it, Our aliens, essentially.

[1357] In a way.

[1358] They're that much further advanced than...

[1359] Right.

[1360] Us.

[1361] That's the proof of aliens.

[1362] Stephen Hawkins.

[1363] Tell me he's not an alien.

[1364] Yeah.

[1365] There's an alien.

[1366] What is it?

[1367] He's a computer voice, right?

[1368] Yeah.

[1369] And he's a brain that's connected very loosely, biologically, to some movements that control a computer.

[1370] It's essentially a brain directly interfacing with a computer through fingers.

[1371] It's a textbook alien.

[1372] He's the classic alien right there.

[1373] And he warns us about it.

[1374] aliens is warning us about him he's covering his own tracks he's so much smarter than us right in front of us pretend that he can't move and waiting and then he'll open up like the thing it'll be a fucking mouth and chop down someone's head but in a sense petrifying in a sense he's an alien in that he's so he's like he's something that we can't even imagine we can't even imagine what's going on inside of his mind he's so goddamn smart he's so advanced that his concepts and his the levels that he's operating on thinking on might as well be alien to some guy who works at crispy cream and keeps fucking up and doesn't figure out which button to press you know shouldn't say crispy cream it's a wonderful establishment makes fine donuts what's the deal with the line for that though they're delicious there's like 30 car deep in burbank every time i drive by it i'm like one day i'll like to try it's not because they suck well you do the burbank one is the shit dude because it's 24 hours a day you need to do is come home from a comedy club some night i've done that coming home from the ice house stop off get some crispy cream got it's like one in the morning and there's a line of 30 people gluten free not no gluten free you're getting full sugar it's gonna go right to your arteries you're gonna feel like shit for hours after you eat it but for the mouth pleasure that you get for this that minute or so where you're eating one of those it's worth it's worth those hours yeah don't be a pussy you know What do you think is going on with this Ferguson thing?

[1375] Because I'm looking at it now, like they just arrested the Huff Pro reporters, the arresting reporters.

[1376] They're going into the McDonald's and going, everyone needs to leave, like, employees.

[1377] Why, wait a minute.

[1378] Huff Po, why is the Ferguson thing?

[1379] You know who to fall is Wesley Lowry.

[1380] It's W -E -S -L -E -Y -O -W -E -R -Y.

[1381] He writes for, I think, the Washington Post.

[1382] He's formerly of the Boston Globe and the L .A. Times.

[1383] Huffington Post reporter arrested in Ferguson.

[1384] Yeah, it says Ryan J. Ryan.

[1385] Oh, Ryan J. Riley, rather.

[1386] This is fucking crazy.

[1387] Ryan J. Riley and the Washington Post's Wesley Lowry were arrested Wednesday while covering the protests in Ferguson, Missouri, surrounding the death of unarmed African -American teenager Michael Brown, who was shot to death by a police officer last week.

[1388] Riley tweeted that around 8 p .m., the SWAT officers invaded the McDonald's at which he was working, requested information after he took a photo of them.

[1389] Lowry was also working at the fast food restaurant.

[1390] Whoa.

[1391] Wait a minute.

[1392] How are Huffington Post reporters arrested?

[1393] Oh, Huff Post caused the Ferguson status of Riley after tweets that he had been arrested.

[1394] The person who picked up the phone identified himself as George said he couldn't give any information at this time.

[1395] So who got arrested?

[1396] I'm confused here.

[1397] A reporter for the West...

[1398] Yes, I'm a Los Angeles Times reporter.

[1399] Matt Pierce talked to the police department.

[1400] And this guy used to work for the Boston Globe.

[1401] And looks, Officer Slammed me into a fountain soda machine because I was confused at which door they were asking me to walk out.

[1402] And this is a reporter that was waiting to be taken away.

[1403] Large black man screaming for help in the back of police truck.

[1404] Whoa.

[1405] I'm dying.

[1406] I'm dying.

[1407] Please call.

[1408] He screamed.

[1409] Yeah, I'm still trying to figure out.

[1410] which Huffington Post guy got arrested.

[1411] Also, Ryan Really of Huff Pro assaulted and arrested.

[1412] Wow.

[1413] So those guys, so who, why did it say that they, oh, I get it, I'm sorry.

[1414] They were working on their laptops at McDonald's.

[1415] That's how they were working for McDonald's.

[1416] Right.

[1417] Oh, wow.

[1418] So they came in while they were working and they asked for their ID and when they took a photo.

[1419] Holy shit like that's like beyond overstepping bounds there was also a video that someone put up online of some people filming cops and the cop points the gun on them and tells them to get the fuck out of here and they all start screaming it's really crazy shit at the cops says get the fuck out of here and he points the gun at them you know it's it's some dark shit man it's this is all what everyone was terrified of when that um that operation um or that uh occupy wall street shit was going on Yeah.

[1420] What they were worried most is that at one point in time, the United States is going to have something, something that just wakes people up to shit like this and they actually start rioting, you know?

[1421] And that's a terrifying thing for police.

[1422] It's a terrifying thing for law enforcement, for, you know, any form of government.

[1423] When you have this happen, these types of things, they build momentum.

[1424] you know it gets it gets real scary when people feel like the police is doing them wrong and people they have a there's a battle between people and the police they start shooting rubber bullets at crowds like they're doing here they're just hitting random people in the crowds trying to disperse them you can't do that man this is this is dangerous shit this is how people get overthrown here's a picture from it you know the shah of iran got overthrown one of the one of the reasons why they rose up against him is because he was starting to say that they were going to attack people if they were in any sort of formation more than two or three people were together and they formed any sort of a group they were going to arrest them all, shoot them on site.

[1425] And the next day there was like two million people.

[1426] There's got to be a breaking point in all those things of going, right, we can't.

[1427] Yeah.

[1428] Yeah, well...

[1429] It's just tough because there's always going to be a load of smaller breaking points along the way that don't cause the chain but change but cause a lot of bad bad yeah this is crazy and actions crazy that they feel like that they can just arrest people that are in McDonald's like are you protecting or serving when you're doing that which one yeah what are you doing guys are in McDonald's there were reporters and you're allowed to just come in and disturb them because you think they took a photo of some crazy shit that's going down you don't want it being released is this protocol are you following like is this like is this in your book of what you're supposed to do look they were arrested stiffed for not packing their bags quick enough.

[1430] It's hilarious.

[1431] They can just decide to come into McDonald's and kick everybody else out.

[1432] Meanwhile, the streets are flooded with people.

[1433] That's so strange, man. Why were they kicking everyone out of McDonald's anyway?

[1434] Yeah.

[1435] Is that?

[1436] I don't know.

[1437] McDonald's is property.

[1438] I think when shit hits the fan, when you have a situation like this and people from the police and civilians are fighting, it's like things get real hairy.

[1439] And there's a lot of like huge, huge, huge, huge.

[1440] mistakes that get made and there's a lot of stress and a lot of pressure and it's going to be real tough to calm this fucking thing down and it just can spread so much more now because of twitter and because of everything else it becomes this everyone knows about it which yeah fires it all up more right most of the time you live in england right yeah and in england the cops don't have guns right no so is there ever any this kind of rioting i mean there still has been yeah, there's a regular police don't have guns but there are obviously like different units or higher up things where it can be the case and yeah, yeah, there has been like it was a couple of years ago there was a big one where a kid was shot because they thought he was an armed like armed police had been called out for an incident and the guy wasn't armed and it caused riots for days and days kind of in London but similar type of situation.

[1441] It's just, not as regular and not as far rarer because yeah it's not any policeman not a policeman in McDonald's or wherever else not everyone has got yeah is weaponized that's a weird thing how does the police deal like like if how often is violent crime with guns take place how often is that in england it's not that regularly it's it's it's there is that again it as everywhere there are guns there are knives they like there is crime going on but you Yeah, it's nowhere near as regular a thing.

[1442] And I'd say even proportionately, obviously there's millions and millions more people in the US, but I'd still say percentage -wise, it's far more regular.

[1443] Yeah, and every now and then, there's like some sort of a, like that Lee Murray situation where they had that crazy bank robbery.

[1444] Yeah.

[1445] That was fucking nuts, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1446] They had full armor on and masks and, you know, ski goggles on and shit.

[1447] You couldn't see their faces.

[1448] And it's weird because stuff like that wasn't.

[1449] wasn't that they with that that wasn't that bigger news story I mean it was it wasn't no it was the biggest bank robbery in all of England right again yeah but it wasn't it was it it wasn't again like as big as as the riots over a kid getting shot or just I don't know bank robberies aren't as hot a topic these days are they I don't know it's weird I think it's way harder to rob a bank I don't think that happens all that often and the Lee Murray one was one of the biggest ones ever yeah I mean him and his alleged compadres, I mean, they heisted some insane amount of money, right?

[1450] It was hundreds of millions of dollars.

[1451] Crazy amounts.

[1452] Yeah, that guy's a crazy story, huh?

[1453] Yeah.

[1454] How much of a folk hero is he in England?

[1455] Not that, generally not that much.

[1456] Again, I heard about it more because of, I heard about that whole story more because of who he is and because of his fighting and everything else.

[1457] Because it makes martial arts.

[1458] Hmm.

[1459] So the other people that were involved.

[1460] That's how I became aware of it.

[1461] And again, I can't say, I guess other people may have been more aware of some reason but yeah that's the main that's how i heard about the story more because of mima yeah he doesn't even seem like a real person like guy who fought as a high level mama fighter got stabbed like seven times and then one of being involved one of the biggest bank robberies ever he's a folk story isn't he yeah and then he goes away to morocco and he's in prison in morocco and just running shit over there yeah he's living over there for a while and then eventually got arrested and where's he down in jail is he jailed the uk I think so.

[1462] Wow.

[1463] He's got a crazy life, man. Someone's going to take that guy's life and turn it into like the most insane guy Ritchie movie ever.

[1464] Yeah.

[1465] You know, like him narrating it.

[1466] It's got a bit of easiest, I want to write because it's all just there.

[1467] It's just literally tell your stories.

[1468] England has a lot of violence, but like fisticuffs.

[1469] Yeah.

[1470] That's something that I found like shocking when I was there.

[1471] How often you see guys duke in it out in the street?

[1472] It's a weird one.

[1473] I'm a, I'm a mill wolf.

[1474] fan which is a football team over there and we're known for having a lot of hooligans and violence of writing they're known as as the worst of the lot coming but again it's all my opinion is that's not exclusive to football really in the UK if you're on and generally on a Saturday night if you're in a busy town centre you're going to see a fight of some sort it's going to because we drink so heavily Doug Stanhope has a great bit about it in England they just fight about everything where are you from over here fuck over there that's exactly right it's such a strange thing do you think it's i wonder of how much that is related to the fact that you mean there's direct descendants when you're in europe there's no clean break it's not like your family comes over to a new continent forms a you know a new civilization starts fresh yeah no you're essentially riding on the momentum of king george you know it's like the same you know like the society The society has moved and progressed.

[1475] We're a tiny little island, but we've got this...

[1476] And used to be a massive empire.

[1477] Yeah.

[1478] You know?

[1479] It's got to affect things, right?

[1480] Our whole history is running so much of the world, and then we're on this tiny little island still claiming that we're the mighty England, but we're just scrapping in the streets amongst ourselves.

[1481] Isn't it weird how civilizations do that?

[1482] Like, cultures like rise and fall, rise and fall, and their influence, in their power.

[1483] You know, Rome, go to Rome.

[1484] Man, shit there.

[1485] Nothing's going on.

[1486] Go buy a pizza.

[1487] I mean, what are you going to get when you go to Rome?

[1488] You're not going to see any just giant armies.

[1489] And again, it's the weird illusion.

[1490] Like in Britain, our history and our arrogance in a way, 90 % of the stuff that we got that was good was from the Romans.

[1491] The Romans came and showed us.

[1492] And the reason a lot of our society crumbled after the Romans left was because we had all these amazing roads and everything.

[1493] But we didn't know how to rebuild them or to maintain them or anything like that.

[1494] So we kind of had this big.

[1495] boom when the Romans came over and then plummeted for ages because we're like, oh shit, we've got all this technology and whatnot and we don't really know how to fix it.

[1496] Some other guys made it.

[1497] And then they went broke and had to go home because they got overthrown.

[1498] And we were there like, ah, fuck.

[1499] And then years later, it's then turned into our great history and our great advances in technology.

[1500] Yeah, it comes in waves, right?

[1501] Yeah.

[1502] Like guys figured out and then something happens.

[1503] Then the new people have to read.

[1504] invent and yeah that's it's just such a fascinating thing such a fascinating thing when you go to europe and you see how old everything is yeah it really puts into perspective because uh when i was a kid i lived in boston and uh there was a cemetery uh near uh the commons and uh it's like one of the oldest cemeteries in the country and you'll like see like a headstone from like the 1700s or 1600 so that's a big deal yeah yeah but in comparison to the you know european history like they have that big big white horse that's on the side of a hill.

[1505] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1506] And nobody even fucking knows where it came from.

[1507] Nobody has a goddamn clue.

[1508] So much stuff like that.

[1509] And just things like Stonehenge and all that kind of just, it's just crazy how old that.

[1510] And again, really, it's not that impressive.

[1511] It's a load of slabs, it's some shit, but it's the fact that this is, yeah, that's so old.

[1512] Thousands of really knows what, how or what.

[1513] Yeah, and they like debate the purpose of it.

[1514] Like, they find roads, these crazy stone roads.

[1515] Like, okay, what the fuck What's going on here?

[1516] No one knows.

[1517] Everyone forgot.

[1518] It's all just gone.

[1519] Whole civilization comes and goes.

[1520] It's a beautiful thing, though, man. It's an amazing thing to discover the remnants of the past and try to piece together what happened and then really try to put it into perspective what has happened that brought us to 2014, all the different lives that had to be lived, all the events that had to take place, and all the different things that we're trying to still piece together today and try to figure out, well, what was going on?

[1521] What did they believe?

[1522] on why were they worshiping cows and what were they doing on top of this hill and what was this why they set this up in the to align it with constellations like what was their belief system they wrote like this what the fuck they got these little squeakly lines what are they saying it's crazy to think of of the level of intelligence that was around before the breakthrough was made to record that and to document that so much stuff just amazing shit that probably they all knew what these stones were for everyone knew what the fact that was for but that That wasn't written down anywhere.

[1523] Yeah, they figured, we're not going to forget that.

[1524] We spent so much time building this.

[1525] Everybody knows.

[1526] Everyone knows what the stones do.

[1527] Jesus.

[1528] Stonehenge.

[1529] Everybody knows what Stonehenge is for.

[1530] Yeah, I wonder when the first guy started writing shit down, everybody else was probably like, what the fuck are you doing?

[1531] He's like, I wrote a language.

[1532] Like, I'm not learning your shit.

[1533] I got my own language.

[1534] My language involves circles.

[1535] It's all about big circles and little circle.

[1536] Yeah.

[1537] Big circles means I'm really mad.

[1538] Little circles mean I'm happy.

[1539] Okay?

[1540] Big circle, little circle.

[1541] you had to get a bunch of people to agree like you had to get a bunch of scholars how many generations yeah how many generations are to take to figure that out it's unimaginable and then someone's like I'm going to write it on a cylinder and I'm going to roll it on clay you're going to know what I mean like what and then how fucked up is it when they then go and find another society that I've got it completely different like no correlation at all so not only have you had to figure out this completely new way of communicating you've got to then interpret their way into yours it's too crazy it's the idea of how how crazy look when when you think about like Columbus and 1492 sailing off finding the americas landing here seeing the native people trying to communicate with them like what that must have been like not even knowing where the fuck you landed you get there and you see some people and they're all brown and shit and they got feathers on their head and you're like what is going on how do I tell this guy that I'm from Spain like what do I you know what what what is he saying like you had to decipher a language that no one even knew existed and there's a gang of them you got the Lakota people who speak one way you got the Cherokee that speak another way you get the Apache that have their own way yeah pooh and that's only 200 years ago you know 400 500 years or whatever it was from 1492 to 2012 I mean think about like when they came here the the amount of time between 1492 the less than 600 years 500 plus years to today that's nothing in terms of the world nothing but in that time this one spot with a bunch of people on horses just hanging out just erupted became New York City San Francisco California last time I was here I can't remember what it was but someone was telling me how long ago it was the LA was part of Mexico 1800s it's like yes yeah not that long I don't think when okay when was was L .A. Mexico?

[1542] I say it was more recent than that.

[1543] Really?

[1544] I could be wrong.

[1545] I could be remembering it wrong, but Brian, you didn't know Mexican.

[1546] I was on a Mexican last night.

[1547] But if you, uh, if you had an ask though, if you had a guess, when was L .A. Mexico?

[1548] Uh, 1821.

[1549] So you think.

[1550] 1827.

[1551] Okay.

[1552] When was L .A. Mexico?

[1553] Hmm.

[1554] When did L .A. belong to Mexico?

[1555] Okay.

[1556] When did L. dude it's the anticipation now i know it's building i'm saying more recently than that i'll be in santa barbara what you're saying i don't know i don't want to uh 1769 oh really 1769 i think so hold on a second european exportation period from 1542 to 1769 so oh no no no i'm skew um Mexican period 1821 to 1848 the united states hood dude that's fucking which continues to the present day 1821 i guessed it date yeah That's amazing.

[1557] You probably, do you think maybe you had that in your head, like you knew?

[1558] I got a little Mexican juice on me. Maybe that has an idea.

[1559] Do you think that maybe you saw that somewhere?

[1560] No, I have a crazy number.

[1561] It's a crazy number.

[1562] Yeah, it is a real weird number.

[1563] Yeah, it's really specific.

[1564] Yeah, it's really specific, but you got it.

[1565] But it's also, I've seen those T -shirts.

[1566] That's one thing to take into consideration.

[1567] They have a T -shirt that says 1881 to 2014.

[1568] A lot of people wear it's got the, you know, it's like, there's a birth t -shirt.

[1569] I've seen them in, like, different years.

[1570] Maybe I saw it one day I have no idea I've never even thought of it Well it's a good memory though Whatever it is you were right I actually didn't even know that Mexican And the United States was in the same Different tribes of Native Americans Have lived in the area that is now California For an estimated 13 to 15 ,000 years Holy shit man Holy shit Wow During the pre -European Period Americans living in California.

[1571] Wow, there's no one here.

[1572] It's crazy, just empty.

[1573] Isn't that weird?

[1574] 300 ,000 is not empty, though.

[1575] It's amazing.

[1576] It's probably amazing.

[1577] I mean, look, it's probably a hard life living back then, but how amazing must it have been to be on horseback and shit 300 ,000 people here.

[1578] Well, actually, pre -European, the problem with that is pre -European, I don't think they were on horses at all.

[1579] the horses came from the europeans i'm pretty sure yeah they're riding horses like that was one of the things like where cortez showed up and monazuma's people were like what the fuck these guys are gods because they were on horses and thought that they were part yeah yeah of of the horse yeah fascinating shit man 1821 that is not that long it's not that long ago it's not that long ago at all less than 200 years ago this was mexico no wonder why mexicans get mad that shit's really recent that's not that many generations either no not at all that's not that many at all this like great great grandparents yeah who can almost remember that shit yeah wow i think i saw somewhere the other day that Columbus ohio now has a bigger population of Mexicans than white people i think is what i'll double check on that but Columbus ohio and we just i remember when i lived there just some 10 or 11 years ago it was like i remember seeing the first Mexican.

[1580] I remember like, what's that?

[1581] You know, and my mom's like, that's a Mexican.

[1582] Every day I'm hustling.

[1583] Every day I'm hustling.

[1584] They figured out a way.

[1585] It's fucking hustled.

[1586] They got all the way up to Columbus.

[1587] Like, these fucking chubby white people aren't working.

[1588] Let's go take their jobs.

[1589] Kick some ass.

[1590] Take some names.

[1591] I'll take five jobs, please.

[1592] We're all living in a one bedroom apartment.

[1593] We're saving money.

[1594] Boom.

[1595] Next thing you know, they're opening up a taco joint.

[1596] Best tacos in Columbus.

[1597] Dude's not even legal.

[1598] They're earning it.

[1599] They're taking over.

[1600] It's fine.

[1601] If there's two taco places in town, and one of them was a dude that's not even legal i'm going to that guy's place yeah he's bringing over goats and shit and serving some some nasty vicious jalapinos that one place man in la hoya across the street from the condo that's that place called you um shit asked me too fast deep bob's burritos don't don's luke whatever it is it's so close to mexico it's just the most authentic the most ridiculously good burritos you'll ever have in your life.

[1602] Amazing.

[1603] And it's in San Diego, so it's like real close to the actual Mexico.

[1604] You can't play.

[1605] Don Lucas.

[1606] Don Lucas.

[1607] You can't play.

[1608] When you're in San Diego, you can't have some shitty Mexican food.

[1609] Mexico's right there.

[1610] It's literally on the doorstep.

[1611] Yeah, it's a weird moment, man. When you have, you know, this incredible community, like La Jolla, you know, this, like, really rich area.

[1612] Yeah.

[1613] It's beautiful, beautiful area.

[1614] And then 20 minute drive, Tijuana.

[1615] 20 -minute drive, like a complete different country, you know, wrecked with poverty, drug violence.

[1616] It's crazy to touring around Europe, realizing how many countries you can cover in a few hours drive.

[1617] Yeah, right?

[1618] That's insane that you're driving through Germany to France, to Holland, to Italy.

[1619] All of these are within a day kind of thing.

[1620] But you're in a completely different country and culture, language, everything.

[1621] well yeah i mean you guys can go to france and germany and hungry like how many different places can you leave in england and get to in one day insane amount insane if you if you're literally driving through or drive yeah there's so many in the also how many of them speak different languages all of them all of them it's crazy they're all like across the board from each other and completely different languages but most of them speak english as well yeah yeah when you When you're doing gigs, do you do gigs in all these countries and do English gigs?

[1622] Yeah.

[1623] It's crazy.

[1624] It was crazy because obviously it's quite lyric -based.

[1625] We assumed when we first started going out there that they wouldn't really get that side of it.

[1626] But it's crazy how in Europe a lot of people seem to get it more because they read the translations of it and are paying attention more, if you know what I mean?

[1627] So if you're hearing it and you speak English, you're going to miss tons of it, but you're just you're picking up enough.

[1628] Whereas because they're not picking up any, they'll then go and read it a word for word and understand it far more than half the British people who come to our shows and stuff like that.

[1629] Oh, that's kind of cool.

[1630] Because it's all fast.

[1631] So if you're like, oh, this is my language, then you won't get, there's tons of hip -hop songs.

[1632] I don't know half of it, but I've listened to it a million times and you just, yeah.

[1633] Have you ever thought about like doing that as an app, releasing it as an app and having all your lyrics as an app?

[1634] All the lyrics on the, no, that could be good.

[1635] I mean, I've always been adamant of putting it in, like, in the booklets and shit like that.

[1636] I've always been adamant on the packaging, always having, being good, I like physical stuff.

[1637] Obviously, I'm adapting to digital stuff, but I like to put out a nice, a physical product as well, with all the lyrics in.

[1638] And then I kind of sit there all kind of snotty online when people ask me the lyrics.

[1639] It's like, well, if you bought the CD, then you just go and buy the album.

[1640] You'll find that out.

[1641] Yeah.

[1642] Do you get upset with people?

[1643] bootleg your shit um i get upset that there's no shame over it that that kills me now that people will openly just tweet again yeah i stole that it's like cool i understand that that happens but don't come to my face and tell me that because particularly as i release most of it on my own label now and stuff like that it's just like you're not ripping anyone off other than me um yeah but do you feel like um there's a balance with people finding out about your stuff because someone will take it and download it and then they'll distribute it and then other people find out about it and then more people come to your shows.

[1644] I think they completely is.

[1645] I think yeah it's all a kind of it's it's all interwoven but I think people often argue I stole your music but I paid to come to see you live it's like yeah and I perform live for you that's what you were paying for that's you know what I mean that doesn't that doesn't cover the it's like a respect thing almost it's like if you're going to do it yeah it might find this you might hear some have some new listeners because he told somebody but don't go do your like you say go to your face and do it it's it's such a weird argument the saying um or saying i stole this but i paid for this when the thing you're paying for has its own value anyway it's like saying i'm not going to pay you at work at this week but i paid you for the last three weeks so so we're cool so no we're not cool this this is for this this work right right right right but i don't know i'd like i do a lot to try and just make it engaging and make people I want to pay on my solo album I released a fake torrent that was all the all the instrumentals but me just talking and just chatting and doing kind of a DVD extras kind of oh the drummer on this track was was Travis Barker and shit like that and going through stuff just so that the torrent that was first out there and everyone grabbed it wasn't at the album but then it also kind of not in a preachy way kind of said if you're stealing it you're stealing it from from me from the artist that you're into and supporting it's like so yeah and that kind of works a lot of people say oh shit i got caught i got caught on the fake torrent and that's interesting that you know i try i like to try and be yeah try and make things interesting in in that way because again if people are going to steal they're going to steal but we get an awful lot of people who say i've not paid for an album in it ages but i paid for your album because of yeah the way it's all coming from a personal perspective right because it's from someone directly you release it yeah yeah that's kind of you know there's there's a lot of things that people don't want to pay for online yeah you know once they start being able to get things for free they don't they don't want to pay for them it's finding the balance and and the sweet spot i've just released my i did a spoken word show edinburgh fringe so it's kind of spoken word but there's some stand up in there as well kind of thing and it stunned me that the comedy world louis and yourself and everyone have found that thing of putting it out for $5 and being direct to the customer, $5 is enough for you to not want to go on a torrent site and hunt it down.

[1646] It seems to be that sweet spot that people will be happy to pay, yet the music industry hasn't done that.

[1647] It's a for my Edinburgh show I've done that and released it in that way.

[1648] And again, it seems to be working.

[1649] People are kind of up for that.

[1650] I think people like you, they'll buy it.

[1651] And if they wouldn't buy it, they were probably never going to buy it anyway.

[1652] And if they download it, you'll get more people download it.

[1653] it so I don't know how many people have illegally downloaded my shit but a lot of people have bought it so it's I think it all works out I just think it works out spreads the word but again I'm it's that I'm completely I think that's the way things go like I started off I think you've got to do a certain amount of free stuff I think that's totally key you need to be giving away stuff for free and engaging and and building that crowd so that hopefully when you do have stuff for sale yeah people will pay well I think that definitely makes it a better better relationship that if everything you do is just for sale.

[1654] Yeah.

[1655] You know, I think when you give people stuff for free, I mean, certainly like a podcast.

[1656] Have you ever thought about doing something like a podcast?

[1657] I'm tempted.

[1658] I've had a radio show in the UK for the last a year and a half.

[1659] I've just stopped that now for a bit of a break, but I'm considering going the podcast route instead.

[1660] Yeah, why not?

[1661] I mean, when you have a radio show, the thing about it is you're always going to be working for somebody.

[1662] You're always going to be, you know, uploading something to someone else's servers, and they have to decide whether or not Scrupius is getting crazy.

[1663] This motherfucker is saying some shit that I don't agree with.

[1664] We're going to have to remove them from our own.

[1665] I mean, that's exactly.

[1666] That kind of just being your own boss on that is...

[1667] Yeah, and much like you do with your spoken word stuff, you're the creator of this stuff.

[1668] You know, you'd be the creative of your own podcast, too.

[1669] Yeah.

[1670] I think...

[1671] I've completely...

[1672] I forgot.

[1673] The Edinburgh Fringe thing I mentioned is $6 on my website, but if you went to the code word, Rogan, it's $5 at the moment.

[1674] You know, I've, I've seen your adverts.

[1675] I know how it works.

[1676] I know how to win people over.

[1677] So, uh, scrupiouspip .co .com.

[1678] Oh, there you go.

[1679] Dot C .O. Yeah.

[1680] Okay, cool.

[1681] Well, that's awesome, man. Yeah, I forgot about that.

[1682] I sorted that before I came in.

[1683] What are you doing over in America right now?

[1684] I'm working on a new solo album.

[1685] So I'm working on that with a Travis Barker again, a Danny Loner from Nine -E -N -H -N -N -Ales.

[1686] Yeah, Danny's friends with Eddie Bravo.

[1687] Yeah, Eddie was over last night.

[1688] Travis seems like a cool guy.

[1689] I've never met him.

[1690] but we've gone back and forth online.

[1691] I've communicated with him a little bit.

[1692] The last time I was over here.

[1693] And again, he's fucking, he's huge.

[1694] He doesn't need to give anyone any favors.

[1695] I came over and he was just, he gave us about two hours in his studio of just him playing drums for the record.

[1696] It was like, do you anymore?

[1697] And just, we chatted online and he played on a track I've done previously, but it was all over emails.

[1698] And just the most accommodating, a nice guy.

[1699] And it's like, you don't have to be this guy.

[1700] You could be a complete dick.

[1701] But he's, yeah, just played for hours.

[1702] And literally as soon as I left, I had a message from him saying, if you need any more, just let me know if you're in town.

[1703] That's so cool.

[1704] That's great.

[1705] Yeah, that's amazing.

[1706] Yeah, he's about as big as it gets as it comes to drummers.

[1707] Yeah.

[1708] Does that guy have any room for tattoos?

[1709] Or is he just like completely filled up?

[1710] He still seems to be having them all the time.

[1711] How's that possible?

[1712] He's just taking tattooing over tattoos.

[1713] Yeah.

[1714] Yeah, he's got no room, man. I like that dude, though.

[1715] He does a lot of martial arts training too.

[1716] It does.

[1717] It loves it.

[1718] Yeah, there's a place near here that he changed it.

[1719] The way we started talking was us talking about our UFC events and our picks and that.

[1720] That's kind of how we got to know each other.

[1721] So, yeah.

[1722] Yeah, he loves the UFC.

[1723] He's a big MMA fan.

[1724] He's always tweeting about it and stuff.

[1725] That's cool, man. So listen, we're out of time.

[1726] We did three hours.

[1727] Can you believe that shit?

[1728] God damn it.

[1729] Flew by.

[1730] It did.

[1731] It did.

[1732] But thank you for, first of all, thank you for letting us play your music on the show.

[1733] And thanks for coming on and just having a chat.

[1734] It was fun.

[1735] Thanks for me on, yeah.

[1736] pleased to be here and what was the thing that I wish I could say besides proper something with an F wasn't it straight away or straight away totally an F you're the worst reporter ever I was thinking of no that's what you're always thinking of ladies and gentlemen the fucking show is over and we thank you we thank you very very much thanks to me undies go to meundies .com you dirty boar seven -year no -change in underwear motherfuckers go to meundies .com forward slash Rogan and get 20 % off your first order by September 1st.

[1737] That's meundies .com slash Rogan and thanks also to NatureBox.

[1738] Go to NatureBox.

[1739] Do we do NatureBox?

[1740] Well, we did NatureBox last one so thanks to NatureBox anyway.

[1741] If you want a free Naturebox commercial, go to Naturebox .com forward slash Rogan.

[1742] You'll get 50 % off your month's first box.

[1743] And thanks also to Ting.

[1744] Go to Rogan