#384 - Ian McCall

[0] For Joe Rogan, experience.

[1] Train by day, Joe Rogan, podcast by night, all day.

[2] Powerful Ian McCall.

[3] Dude, thank you so much for doing this, man. Thank you for having me. Much requested by the Underground Forum.

[4] Yes, the UGCTT, T, my loyal followers.

[5] Yeah, what does that stand for?

[6] The Underground Creepy Top Team.

[7] And these guys, I've been there forever.

[8] I've been on the underground since 2002 or 2001, I think, but they made this themselves.

[9] They called themselves the UGCTT to make fun of all the other top teams in the world.

[10] That's why all the shirts have it on it.

[11] That's why we don't make money off the shirts.

[12] Oh, that's funny.

[13] We just make enough to pay for it, and then we give away tons of shirts.

[14] I mean, it's...

[15] Yeah, that underground's kind of mine of its own.

[16] Yeah, they could sway the opinion of, yeah, the sport, I think, itself.

[17] Yeah, and it's funny how, like these things sort of just sort of they just come out of nowhere on a forum and then it becomes like a meme and then it takes off like on the underground it was always beep the homo detector like threads would always have beep like someone would some someone would even if you could clearly see that some guys would troll for beeps too but still like it's very common if something happens some guy has a shirt off beep you know I had a long thread on the underground for a while.

[18] I don't know if you ever saw that.

[19] What was it?

[20] Yeah, the thread of the women that I was sleeping with?

[21] No, you had a thread with all the women you were sleeping with?

[22] I didn't, I was aware of that.

[23] I was getting trouble for it too.

[24] Yeah, that would seem like that could get you in trouble.

[25] But there was no nudity.

[26] Oh, no nudity.

[27] Yeah, but it was, you know, there was, honestly, it was a couple of, probably a couple hundred on there.

[28] And it was, like, a year long, and it just got ugly, and then, you know, some people obviously complained and threaten me. I'm like, well, you're not naked on there.

[29] there's stars over your parts it was at the time it probably felt like it was a better idea at the time yeah yeah I thought it was yeah I this was before I was in the UFC this is before I was it was a while ago and I just I just thought I was cool so and that's really all I'm only good at the physical things everything else I suck at fighting and and women I'm all right at well the underground has produced some of the most epic threads I've ever seen on message boards Did you ever read the one with the guy who's the undefeated prison fighter?

[30] No. Oh, my God.

[31] I believe his name is Christian Darrow.

[32] And he went to jail.

[33] Super thick white dude?

[34] Yeah, he was a big, big, yoked up white dude with a lot of tattoos.

[35] Yeah, and he wound up having a fight with this, fuck, what is his name?

[36] Jane.

[37] God damn it.

[38] I got to look up this guy's name.

[39] The kid who fought him Because the kid who fought him Had some skills And just beat the shit out of this guy But it was weird watching it was like Is this guy even trained And he might have not even have ever trained He might just be a crazy guy who lied And he talked himself into Being the toughest man on the baron?

[40] Into having an MMA fight When he really had no fucking business doing it Did they fight in prison?

[41] James Finaro That's his name No no no they fought in a gym There's a video of it There's a video of it on the line.

[42] I don't even need to shit on the dude, but...

[43] But sorry, you suck.

[44] Sorry.

[45] Yeah.

[46] Come on now.

[47] I don't even know how we got onto the subject.

[48] I'm not sure.

[49] Because I totally forgot.

[50] Oh, epic threads.

[51] So that's how I found out about this thread was from the underground.

[52] You ever read The Girl Tried to Lick My Pooper?

[53] Jesus Christ, that thread is like a billion fucking pages long.

[54] It's six months old of it or whatever.

[55] It's crazy.

[56] There's some threads that I have, like, subscribe that I'll check in on every couple of months you know like they have a podcast thread and uh you know every now and then i'll jump in they have a thread about the podcast i'll jump in and say yeah those are your those are your people yeah they're nice people they look this the this the amount of cunts in the world is is pretty high i love that word and when people are free to be whoever they are anonymously you're gonna get a lot of cunts because that's the the root of all animosity is cunty behavior i got trolled in brazil And I would just lost it on some guy Because he was just he just There's only one word he said But it just pissed me off It's constant But it's you know what it is They're just trying to have fun A lot of times By just getting a rise out of you You gotta realize that And but it's also just It's not a natural way to communicate To not be in front of someone Like there's a lot of things That you'd say in email That you would never say in front Like that's why people say I don't want to talk to you I'm just gonna write your letter To show you how you feel it Bitch stop it with your fucking letter Don't make me read Just look at me and tell me What's going on You tell me what's the problem and let's talk this out Because that's the best way to communicate It's looking at each other And actually saying what's on your mind You can't let things like build up And yes Because you're gonna explode and end up You know doing something stupid Yeah and things can swing like left or right Like good or bad depending on how you react to a moment While you're in front of someone And a lot of times you'd apologize You'd go look I shouldn't have said that Look I didn't mean it that way or look let's let's this is where I'm coming from I don't, you know.

[57] When you do that when you're looking at each other, yeah.

[58] But you write it down on an email.

[59] You could just be completely self -indulgent and just filled with nonsense.

[60] And you think just because someone wrote it down, like it makes it really, oh, respect feelings and this, blah, blah, blah, shut up, you fucking, you verbose asshole.

[61] You just don't have the ball to say it's my face.

[62] Clickety, clickety, clickety clack, clickety clickety, stop it.

[63] Talk, stupid.

[64] Text messages.

[65] You broke up with me over text messages.

[66] Well, that's horrible.

[67] But if you are in a nightmare relationship, it's probably a good move.

[68] That's true.

[69] Like, why be around them any more than you have to?

[70] Just go, just pull cord, kutush.

[71] Hey, you know, I've been thinking.

[72] I got to go.

[73] And you're kind of crazy.

[74] Yeah.

[75] Unfortunately, we've all run into crazy people.

[76] And they've all run into us.

[77] So there you go.

[78] I attracted crazy for 99 % of my life.

[79] Of course you did, my friend.

[80] You're old school, man. People don't fucking understand that.

[81] You were talking about Chris Brennan and Jeremy Williams and that's next generation, right?

[82] All those guys.

[83] Old school.

[84] I started like, oh, Roy McDonald's started training M .A. I'm like, so did I. That's what I started doing.

[85] Chris Brennan, man. He was like an early pioneer jiu -jitsu guy.

[86] He was like one of the first guys around L .A. to get really fucking good.

[87] He was sick.

[88] His comoras were nasty.

[89] Yeah.

[90] He had a gang of setups too.

[91] Yeah, a bunch of it.

[92] And that's that was my, that's what I took from him.

[93] that was most of my game.

[94] Yeah, he's a tough dude, man. Really good Jiu -Jitsu.

[95] A lot of people slept on his Jiu -Jitsu.

[96] And then he went over to Japan, but it was almost like on the tail end of his competing, you know, when he was over in Japan.

[97] Yeah, he wasn't able to really showcase how good he really was.

[98] Didn't he have a bunch of epic fights with Pat Militich?

[99] I know, I mean, didn't they have two fights?

[100] Did they have two fights?

[101] They fought in, was it UFC?

[102] I remember he slept.

[103] Joe Stevenson in UFC when Joe was like 16.

[104] Oh, yeah.

[105] And he held onto it the triangle for too long like a dick.

[106] He just the only got a knockout Antonio McKee, too.

[107] I was there.

[108] That was bad.

[109] Woo.

[110] That was a nasty kick.

[111] Nasty kick.

[112] Chris Benner was a bad motherfucker.

[113] Yeah.

[114] Well, he's doing jiu -jitsu in Dallas now, right?

[115] Yeah, exactly.

[116] He's out, living out in Dallas.

[117] He just wanted to change his scenery, so he took off.

[118] And that was a good for him, man. A long time ago.

[119] I love Texas, too.

[120] That's a beautiful thing about having, you know, a reputation, having a name.

[121] You know, in martial arts world like he does, you could just start up a place, places.

[122] And people would be like, hey, fucking Chris Brann just moved into town.

[123] And that guy's a businessman.

[124] I mean, he is a very, very smart businessman.

[125] Good Jiu -Jitsu guy.

[126] It's nasty fucking ears, though.

[127] Get that shit fixed, son.

[128] He's got some crazy Walid Ishmael type of ears.

[129] He knows he's not the most attractive man in the world.

[130] But if you see his wife, she's a beautiful creature.

[131] I'm sure.

[132] He's a tough dude.

[133] I like that guy, too.

[134] He's a nice guy.

[135] He was training with Gerald Strebent, who's a buddy of mine.

[136] Yeah, I know Gerald.

[137] You know, Gerald, yeah, you know, a lot of dudes, but...

[138] Buck Rear and just old -school people, man. How did you start fighting?

[139] I liked fistfighting.

[140] I mean, that was me and my boys' thing in high school.

[141] Like, we all, we wanted to fistfight.

[142] And it wasn't like, and we were in this stupid little gang that the cops called us a gang, but we were just a bunch of rich white kids who liked the fist fight.

[143] And, I mean, we're talking out of my friends, let's say 20 of us, 18 of us trained, and 10 of us had pro fights.

[144] We're talking to myself, Shane Dulliver's.

[145] Robert Emerson Josh Smith Oh my god You guys all went out looking for fights Justin Levin's Um Sid Yeah imagine Imagine yeah we've been pulled to parties And just push over a lantern I would because I was the smallest one Or I'd go You know hit on someone's girlfriend Or go steal CDs or something And then some big jock I'd be like what's up And then of course I'm not the guy to hide I want to jump in front And talk some shit like Hey Yeah And then they just kind of see everybody Behind me and kind of go Like uh no okay And then all the sudden Why would you want to be that guy?

[146] I was, I don't know.

[147] I had something to prove.

[148] I was tiny.

[149] And I liked fistfighting.

[150] It wasn't like I wanted to, you know, jump somebody.

[151] So you weren't even thinking that you were, like, disturbing people's private lives and interfering with their happiness.

[152] I understood that.

[153] I was, I was a dick when I was a kid.

[154] I was a horrible child.

[155] I literally was.

[156] I spent most of my life being a horrible person doing a horrible thing.

[157] What made you realize that you were?

[158] That I was a bad person?

[159] Yeah.

[160] 20 -some -odd years of doing bad stuff.

[161] and then just just trying to pull out of it constantly falling back into it trying to pull out of it falling back into it and now I have a kid and now I have for once in my life I have a positive female influence as far as dating goes and I mean it helps me you know I don't I've literally done everything possible I think a fucking psychopath would want to do but I've done just about everything you know I can't really think besides you know having a man to enter me I haven't I've done it He's young.

[162] Yeah, you know.

[163] But I'm just saying, and I've just, you know, now I've got a kid in a career, and I'm just trying to settle down and be a good boy.

[164] Yeah.

[165] It's kind of a wild past for a dude who's, like, a top -level professional athlete.

[166] You know, people listening to this on the podcast, you know, without getting to know you better, I'm like, who the fuck is this guy?

[167] I was one of the best flyweight on the planet.

[168] I'm the best.

[169] Look, without a doubt.

[170] I just got to prove it.

[171] Look, dudes may, on any given night in the world of high -level mixed martial arts, anybody could beat anybody.

[172] And I thought you beat DJ in the first fight.

[173] And then you guys, well, this is, I think, and correct me if you disagree, I think that there has to be an element of the fight where when one person is like doing something like really dominant to the other person, that's got to count for more.

[174] Yeah.

[175] Like when a guy's got a guy's back, like he got his back and you're pounding on them, that's got to count for more than just winning around all, you know, barely.

[176] Like, if a guy wins around with, like, strikes and...

[177] With ten more strikes or three more strikes.

[178] Or the next guy gets into a really good position and does significant damage.

[179] That's not the same point.

[180] It's a different...

[181] It doesn't make sense to me. The way things are now.

[182] I think that...

[183] Do you know Doc Hamilton's idea?

[184] Do you like that idea?

[185] It's a half -point idea?

[186] Yeah, I like the half -point idea, actually.

[187] It makes...

[188] I mean, it just...

[189] It sounds...

[190] nice, but we have people that have no business judging, judging fights.

[191] And then like literally, let's say, if I would have won that fight, my, I wouldn't have gone into some just horrible spiral out of control for the, the next year of my UFC career right after, my very first fight, you know, back to just being stupid doing horrible things to myself.

[192] Do you think you would have done that?

[193] No, no, that's what I did.

[194] Oh, you did after.

[195] Yes.

[196] That's why DJ kicked my ass the second time.

[197] That's why Joe, I didn't do anything to Joe when I could have, I I mean, I should have done a lot better.

[198] Both guys said I could have finished him.

[199] And I just, I had just a mental, bad marriage.

[200] It's all it was.

[201] I don't want to get into that stuff.

[202] Right, right, right.

[203] You're just in a bad place in your mind.

[204] It was a really bad place.

[205] And it wasn't performing.

[206] And we are all top level athletes, but I know I'm better than these guys.

[207] It's just they were better that night.

[208] They were better performers at this point in time mentally.

[209] It's what it comes down to is the mental aspect.

[210] And, you know, I'll get back.

[211] Now I'm happy.

[212] You know, now I'm finally in a good place.

[213] I think against Joe, I was getting there.

[214] but I wasn't quite there yet I mean physically I'll always be there you know but it's just for me mentally even in this last fight I did great you know but I think I still have steps to get back to where I know I can be like when I became world champion it was just it just it was just better you know I was just training harder and longer and faster and everything I mean now I'm technically better I think but it's just getting my head there is still it's still a process but I'm I'm almost there guess.

[215] So you feel like you're a work in progress?

[216] Of course, always.

[217] Always.

[218] Yeah.

[219] Do you feel like all this shit that's happened to you, all this craziness in your life, the mistakes that you've made?

[220] Like, in some ways, surviving as many mistakes as you have, like really creates a very fascinating person.

[221] Because the type of person has as many experiences as you.

[222] It's a very, it's a magnetic thing to be around.

[223] Because most people haven't had as many crazy, fucked up life experiences and have been, you know, professional cage fighters at the same.

[224] time.

[225] Yeah, I know I'm trying to now becoming a better person for once.

[226] I'm trying to be that better person.

[227] I'm trying to just show people like this is what this is what I've done.

[228] I'm a walking example of what not to do.

[229] Right.

[230] Because most likely you're not going to get back to where I am.

[231] You know, most likely you're either going to become just a normal human being or you're going to die.

[232] You know, like I would either calm down.

[233] Yeah.

[234] Or you're going to die.

[235] Yeah.

[236] And you either figure it out on your own or you're on a bad path.

[237] Yeah.

[238] And I think that for some reason i'm i'm able to i've been able to do to do that and make get back to to greatness and try and do something that no one really ever gets to do and that's fight in the octagon you know there's very few percentage of people in the world that actually get will ever be able to do this true so yeah especially at your weight class man yeah you know that's a really fucking technical weight class that dj he keeps getting better to every website every time he fights man his uh last fight with maraga was incredible yeah he's so good like changing where the fight takes place.

[239] Yeah.

[240] Whether it's taking you down, kicking you when you think he's going to punch you, punch you when he thinks he's going to kick you.

[241] And he's, he is ever evolving.

[242] I make fun of him a lot.

[243] I do.

[244] You can't help it.

[245] Because, yeah, exactly.

[246] I got to chip my shoulder because I thought I beat him and then he beat me up.

[247] And plus I think he's a nerd.

[248] But he's just such a nice guy.

[249] Is there something wrong with being a nerd?

[250] No, nothing wrong with being a nerd.

[251] I just can make fun of him because he beat me up on time.

[252] Right.

[253] Just let me do that.

[254] Right.

[255] But no, he's, the guy is, he's, at first, people gave him so much guff because he just wasn't performing, but now he's getting better.

[256] He's getting in the point where the strides he's making are making it actually exciting.

[257] And the adoring public is actually not being such douchebags.

[258] They're learning the sport and realizing that.

[259] That's, that's art right there.

[260] Yeah.

[261] You know, he's painting a fucking masterpiece.

[262] You know, especially compared to these big guys, not to say that anything against big guys, but we're doing a lot more than they are.

[263] Yeah, it's, well, it's definitely a different.

[264] game the pace is faster it's more technical there's very little room for error yeah you know like he caught maraga in that guillotine there was no room it's just like just snatched it up you know it's uh it's really kind of an interesting um difference between watching the the smallest weight class and watching the largest weight class the room for error it's incredible the gap becomes a lot big oh my god i mean if you've never seen a heavyweight that moves like like a flyweight it doesn't exist you know It doesn't exist.

[265] It's a completely different experience.

[266] Watching the lighter way classes.

[267] It's like you guys are like hummingbirds.

[268] You're like moving at such a faster pace, you know?

[269] It's, it's, I mean, even just to fight at that pace.

[270] Yeah.

[271] I mean, you've got to be on point because if you're one step behind, I mean, it's just a constant.

[272] Bop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop.

[273] You're just like.

[274] Well, DJ got caught by Maraga big time in that fourth round.

[275] It's a perfect example of that.

[276] I mean, DJ was not getting hit by anything.

[277] He was just moving like a ghost.

[278] He was in and out.

[279] And when you thought he was coming in, he was coming out.

[280] I mean, it was a beautiful performance.

[281] And then, boom.

[282] I think it's hard.

[283] He hits hard.

[284] He hits hard.

[285] But even the point is, like, any time it can come.

[286] Yeah.

[287] Anytime a big one can clip you.

[288] Yeah.

[289] That's the craziest thing about the sport, isn't it?

[290] Yeah.

[291] There's really nothing like that.

[292] It's so rare in boxing for things to turn around out of nowhere with one shot.

[293] It doesn't happen that often.

[294] Like later, you know, in a fight, when you see it in an MMA that it can happen.

[295] any moment with those little gloves.

[296] Yeah, it just slips right through.

[297] That's what people really don't get is that defense, even having, your defense has to be perfect.

[298] Yeah.

[299] Because those little gloves fit through the smallest holes.

[300] And they make those holes bigger.

[301] It's not just like a boxing glove where it's a blunt object that's just kind of expand and on impact, you know.

[302] Yeah, there's much less give.

[303] Yeah.

[304] They slide through things, especially when they get all greased up, sweat it up.

[305] Like the Todd Duffy Mike Russell fight is a first.

[306] fight that I always point to.

[307] If you never saw that fight, if you've never seen that fight, it's a historical MMA fight.

[308] They play that for young fighters.

[309] They go, this is what can happen.

[310] This guy, motherfucker, looks like Superman.

[311] Three rounds, wasn't it?

[312] Yeah, three rounds of horrific beating, broke his arm.

[313] Russell had a broken arm, and then with no hint whatsoever that it was going to take place before this.

[314] It wasn't like he had tagged him a couple of times.

[315] It looked like he had him staggered a few times, like he's coming back.

[316] He's getting just destroyed.

[317] And plus, it's Duffy is a physical specimen.

[318] That guy's huge.

[319] And Mike, not so much.

[320] Yeah, Mike looks like what he is.

[321] He's a Chicago cop.

[322] He's a tough fucking guy, no doubt about it.

[323] Super tough fucking guy.

[324] But that punch was like one of the quickest, it was out of nowhere.

[325] It turned the whole fighter out.

[326] Bang, he had him hurt, and boom, he was out.

[327] Like, what the hell?

[328] Like, how is that even possible?

[329] I mean, especially at that weight, you know, when you have two guys that are 250 pounds hitting each other that hard, I mean, that, that is frightening.

[330] Terrified.

[331] And I see way to heavy weight, you know, my roommate, Chandarro, to see him move, and he's fast, you know, and he hasn't been able to, you know, to really show how good he really is.

[332] But, man, that guy can move.

[333] And it's, I mean, it scares the crap.

[334] I mean, he can hold pads for me. That's how fast he is.

[335] Wow.

[336] And, I mean, I'll go for, you know, 30 minutes straight.

[337] Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

[338] Yeah, he moves really well.

[339] And he's at that weight of heavy weight where there's, like, a point of diminishing returns a lot of people believe.

[340] There's an argument about it, at least.

[341] And that argument is about, like, 240.

[342] Yeah.

[343] Like, anything bigger than, like, King Velasquez, you get tired too easy.

[344] Yeah, exactly.

[345] You know, but, you know, but then for a while there was like, people thought it was like, when Brock Lesner, like, first burst on the scene, people were like, oh, shit, you got to get way bigger, man. That's when Frank, if they got way bigger, Shane Carwin got way bigger.

[346] Those dudes got way bigger.

[347] They're like, fuck that, dude.

[348] If that's your game, if your game is, you know, tuck your face in between your shoulders and plow forward, if that's your game, man, you better be built like that guy.

[349] Shane just Hulk smash people.

[350] Yeah.

[351] It's, I don't know, man. It doesn't work out so well.

[352] Yeah, well, it's when you watch a fight like Carwin versus Leicester, which is an all -time classic fight.

[353] But you see how quick Carwin gasses out, like to the point where he's dead.

[354] Within one round?

[355] Within one round?

[356] It was like you can't...

[357] Well, first, I think he said it was also that he was so fired up with so much adrenaline.

[358] He couldn't believe he thought he was winning.

[359] He thought the fight was over.

[360] He thought he was going to win the fight right there.

[361] And he was beating on him for a long time.

[362] So, I mean, that's going to take not just ten seconds if I thought I won.

[363] It was a couple minutes of I thought I won.

[364] And he was sprinting.

[365] I mean, it was two minutes of sprinting.

[366] And literally, after it was over, Brock survived that he was done.

[367] Like, he couldn't even get up out of his stool.

[368] It was like his whole body like completely shut down.

[369] It's crazy.

[370] to watch.

[371] But you watch a body like that, that's when you go, okay, how big is too big?

[372] Because that might be too big.

[373] Like, you got to, someone's got to figure this out, like scientifically.

[374] Yeah, we've got to figure that way.

[375] It's, I don't know anything about CrossFit, but my roommate, he runs RV Sport for Ruka, and he went to go sponsors to guys and talk to some people and watch it.

[376] And I always thought CrossFit guys are douchebags.

[377] I don't know.

[378] I just always hear him yelling and screaming.

[379] I hear it's a, he's like, no, dude, they're really positive.

[380] They're cool guys.

[381] and apparently like the perfect weight for them is like 185 200 pounds for what they do and that's which is I don't even really know what they do stupid weights those guys just stupid weight I mean I don't see stupid like dumb I mean like credible like holy shit I've seen this a little guy who's like 165 pounds and he was doing cleans with a I think it was cleans with a 120 pound kettlebell he was a little he was not a big guy he was doing this clean press over and over again with this was more than a 100 pound kettlebell.

[382] It was ridiculous, whatever the fuck it was.

[383] Yeah.

[384] And he was doing it for reps. I was like, this is incredible.

[385] I can, we got a 200, or, we have multiple stones.

[386] We got a 125 pound stone at, uh, at my strength conditioning place.

[387] God damn.

[388] You know, roll it up in my legs and I can pop, pop, but it's just a stone.

[389] It's just, that's, I think it's where I get my suplexes from, but I would think it probably would help you a lot, man. But I mean, I can, I can, I can get up the two, I think it's 250, 240.

[390] I can get that up and do it maybe five times.

[391] But I mean, And it's getting it up onto your lap is the hardest part.

[392] I can explode probably 400 pounds off my hips.

[393] As a professional athlete, isn't it fascinating to see how much things have changed as far as, like, the way they train athletes, the ideas behind it?

[394] If you go back, like, if you're a student of the game and you go back just like 20, 30 years, like, they used to, like, Angelo Dundee's to tell fighters to not lift weights.

[395] Yeah.

[396] They used to tell them a lot of weight, and it was going to slow you down.

[397] Yeah.

[398] It's hilarious.

[399] They just didn't, they just.

[400] They didn't know.

[401] They didn't understand.

[402] They didn't know.

[403] Well, it does slow you down in that if you lift weights and you're sore, the next day you're going to be slower.

[404] And then the coach was like, ah, it's slowing you down.

[405] But then Mackey Shilstone comes along and trains Evander Holyfield to go up to heavyway.

[406] And all of a sudden, heavy, he's like a real heavyway.

[407] He was like 205 or something like that.

[408] Like, not too big.

[409] No, but he was big enough.

[410] But got swole!

[411] He got fucking swall!

[412] He was jacked.

[413] Oh, my God, was he jacked?

[414] And he was, what, 40?

[415] Holyfield?

[416] How old was he when he went up to heavyweight?

[417] He started out as a cruiserweight, right?

[418] Because he fought Dwight Kaui.

[419] That was like a 195, right?

[420] That's cruiserweight.

[421] And then when he went up to heavyweight, was it Mackie?

[422] Shillstone worked with him?

[423] It did, right?

[424] Because he worked with Spinks, right?

[425] Yeah.

[426] He worked with Michael Spinks.

[427] When he was bulking Spinks up to be a heavyweight to fight Tyson and Larry Holmes.

[428] That was when he burst into the scene.

[429] He was like one of those first guys that were realizing back in the day, Like, we've got to do things a little different here.

[430] Can't just do curls.

[431] Marenavich.

[432] Yes.

[433] I mean, that guy's in San Clementian.

[434] I've never had a run -in with him, but all my friends have and all my coaches, apparently he's just very set in his ways, I guess we'll say.

[435] But, I mean, he was an originator of so much crazy stuff.

[436] I mean, look at his son.

[437] I mean, that didn't turn out like it should have.

[438] Well, his son was under a tremendous, for people who don't know the whole story, I don't know his son's name because I'm not a football fan.

[439] What is his son's name?

[440] Todd?

[441] Todd, Tommerich.

[442] And, uh...

[443] There's a good documentary on it.

[444] And Morinovich is like a crazy strength and fitness guy.

[445] And he's the guy who got BJ Penn in the best shape of his life.

[446] When BJ Penn fought Diego Sanchez and when he fought Sean Pan, I think those were the two times, Sean Penn. Sean Shirk.

[447] Jesus Christ.

[448] Right after I said it, I'm like, yeah, that's right.

[449] What?

[450] He fought Sean Chirk and he fought Diego.

[451] And I think that BJ was like one of the best fighters I've ever seen in my life.

[452] That's my, elite BJ.

[453] That's my, the guy I've always looked to.

[454] up to the most because that was he was old school and people he made joe stevens and cry he beat a man up so bad that he was crying in the fucking corner b j pen was a motherfucker man for a long time yeah that's the kind of fighter i want to i want to get myself too because you when people need to fear people you know i want to be fucking feared because then people you know you you beat him up and they cry in the corner that that's that makes me feel well it's all i mean look what do you i mean that's that's the path you're on you're on the path to excellence and the people fear the scariest most excellent fighters i mean there's no really disguising what's the sports about exactly sports about victory it's about beating the other man it's about imposing your martial art skills and you really can't get great at that and not be scary as fuck it's part of the program well exactly i mean it brings out the most primal urges in us that that i you know i want to kill something eat it with you know eat it my bare hands i want to like you know i want to just be the you know king stink i want to be the head monkey you know i do uh i want to be able to do that Do you think you have that extra bad from growing up small?

[455] Oh, yeah, because I always wanted to prove myself.

[456] My parents, especially my mom, I think my dad really cared.

[457] Because he always knew I was, you know, I could do it.

[458] My mom wanted to show everybody else that I do every single sport and you're good at it.

[459] Oh, wow.

[460] Because I was good at everything.

[461] How much did you weigh when you're in high school?

[462] I wrestled 103, 103, 112, 119.

[463] But I got into high school at 100 pounds.

[464] Wow.

[465] But then again, I've been doing Kung Fu Sansu my whole life.

[466] I had a black belt and that, which you don't compete.

[467] It's, I learned how, and I was the, Bill Egan was my, my, my, my sefu, he was, he just, I was his protege.

[468] And he's, he's like, I'm going to teach you things that, I don't teach other kids.

[469] Okay, you have this red zone around you.

[470] Okay, if they would get in within arms length of you, they're a problem.

[471] You need to hit them.

[472] I got, you know, in a threatening manner.

[473] And I got, you know, I would punch kids in the throat, elbows.

[474] You know, I would, I learned arm, you know, arm bar kind of stuff back then, kick, jump kids, you know, in the face, the groin, like, I got kicked out of all the best private schools.

[475] So, it was always people fucking with you and you defending yourself against assholes, or was you being an asshole sometimes?

[476] A lot of the time, it started out as me wanting to beat up the bullies.

[477] That's how it turned into me being like, you know what, fuck those guys.

[478] I want to beat up every bully I see.

[479] Right.

[480] And I did it, you know, like, I got kicked out of my high school one year for beating up some cholo for picking on my friend's mentally handicapped cousin, Down syndrome.

[481] I beat the shit out of the kid.

[482] What kind of a world is it where you get in trouble for that?

[483] What happened was I beat him up and then I felt someone grabbed me. So of course I thought one of his friends and I turned around and I swept the person on the ground and it was one of the proctors, one of the female proctors.

[484] And I ran away.

[485] Oh, you swept her.

[486] And I just kind of...

[487] Karate kid style?

[488] Sweep the leg?

[489] Yeah.

[490] It just turned around and like...

[491] Because I, she grabbed me from, you know, one side and I put my arm out on the chest and just swept the leg and just...

[492] That's so dangerous to grab someone in the middle of a fight And she probably wouldn't even think that because it's probably not a violent person.

[493] Yeah, she was super nice.

[494] She just, I had to be pulled out of school.

[495] My coach pulled me out of school three out of the four years from freshman, sophomore, junior year, because after wrestling season, I would just, la. So you needed the discipline of wrestling to keep you in check?

[496] Oh, yeah.

[497] That's the only.

[498] That, I owe my life to a small group of people in Reseda, Betty.

[499] My old wrestling coach is one of them.

[500] And that guy saved me. Yeah, isn't it, it's an amazing thing how many people have been saved.

[501] by the diversity that comes from something like that, whether it's boxing or MMA or wrestling or Jiu Jitsu.

[502] For me, it was Taekwondo.

[503] Yeah.

[504] It's like I needed something.

[505] I needed some form of discipline.

[506] Yeah.

[507] Something that can I can like enjoy and I can attack it and I can get really good at it and it gives me a calmness.

[508] Because most boys, like people who are not boys don't remember it, I guess, when they get older or they forget because they have problems of their own.

[509] They don't want to deal with it.

[510] When you're like 15, 16 years old, you're fucking crazy.

[511] Yeah.

[512] Your body's bouncing around.

[513] Hormones are flying through your system.

[514] Your dick is a murderer.

[515] Your dick is hard all the time.

[516] And you're crazy.

[517] And you're basically almost a man. Yeah.

[518] And you're like thinking, I'm kind of fucking almost a man. And I was out beating up guys that were in college.

[519] So bad.

[520] So I was, you know, I thought I was fucking super cool.

[521] I was out stealing my dad's supras, which we built.

[522] You know, he'd have built Supra or go out of their cars.

[523] And I would steal those.

[524] And he knows.

[525] whatever um you know i was living you know living in south orange county and just just getting away with whatever i wanted my parents i was too fast for them so i you know that and they were going through their own stuff you know right so of course you know like i just was off on my own just just being crazy and i mean i started smoking weed when i was like eight years old that's a good you know start so it's not six yeah it's eight eight sounded good and it wasn't like it was a bad influence you know it was just just happened and i mean i thought so crazy yeah so eight years old you're smoking weed god God, damn, that's so crazy.

[526] I'd go to school, and kids'd be like, oh, my God, my dad, let me have a sip of beer.

[527] And I was like, I drank a 40 and took four -foot bonnips all the weekend.

[528] Oh, my God.

[529] How old were you?

[530] You know, going through like middle school or whatever, and kids just, I mean, didn't understand.

[531] I mean, I'd be a private school.

[532] And I wouldn't, I never, you know, I was always, you know, you don't, you don't talk about stuff like that, especially you don't want to get in trouble.

[533] Right.

[534] So, of course, I always kept my mouth shut.

[535] But, you know, I was a degenerate at a young age.

[536] You know, it was just, it was just in me to just, to just, I wanted to be the bad guy I wanted to have that fun And where do you think that came from When you think about it now When you're trying to be a calm guy And you have a kid and your your career's on track When you reflect back to like your wildest shit Like what makes you think I had a great upbringing Literally?

[537] That's hilarious I did this all to myself My parents are awesome people Sure they went through a divorce But that doesn't turn Let me stop you right there Because I think it's really difficult To understand or underestimate the negative impact of being bullied can have on a person.

[538] Yeah.

[539] It's huge, you know, and people say, like, that it's not, like, being molested or abused.

[540] And I say bullshit.

[541] I say, it's probably pretty close to a lot of guys.

[542] Yeah.

[543] I mean, it's not, it might not be the physical humiliation of someone forcing you to have sex, but the physical intimidation aspect of it is terrifying, and it changes your perception of reality when you're around that person.

[544] There's constant danger.

[545] You're going to get swatted.

[546] You're going to get pushed.

[547] You're going to get compromised.

[548] It's a terrible, terrible thing.

[549] And it can fuck with people.

[550] And it can turn people into depressed people who want to kill themselves because of that.

[551] Because they can't take the pain anymore.

[552] And people don't realize it when they're doing it, I don't think.

[553] I think they're probably bullied at home or, you know, someone bullied them and, you know, they're insecure or they're beaten or whatever the fuck it is.

[554] They go to school and they just cunt out on some little kid.

[555] But, man, I've seen it have devastating impacts on people.

[556] I mean, I, yeah, exactly.

[557] I mean, you just see it in high school, and what I always did is in high school was I would pick on the bullies or pick on the cool kids because, because, you know, the class president types, I was just like, I just like talking shit, too.

[558] It was just, it was fun.

[559] Yeah, I always had a big mouth.

[560] I got pretty lucky with not getting the fuck beaten out of me in high school.

[561] Yeah, well, see, the only time I ever got really beat up, I think, in street fights was, because obviously I pick my battles.

[562] I know, you know, I know I can beat that guy up.

[563] I'm small, you know, but, like, I would always try and test.

[564] it but I got you know we used to go as groups me and my friends we would go beat up a bunch of skinheads in the next neighboring town like all the time right I got booted and you know booted by those guys twice at a del Taco and went to the house party but you know it's you get beat up I get beat up on national TV now and it's not that bad but I mean when you're getting beat up I mean especially as a kid getting beat up by by a bully by someone in front of other people and that like humiliating it's it's horrible and that's why I would always try and stick up for the kids getting getting bullied and And it's also at a time in your life when you're the most vulnerable.

[565] It's really hard for you to really understand what's going on in life.

[566] And, you know, people make a lot of terrible mistakes at those young ages.

[567] And I think one of them is actually being a bully.

[568] Yeah.

[569] You know, I mean, I think that kind of karma, like pushing out in that direction.

[570] You're a 10 -year -old asshole.

[571] Yeah.

[572] I want to punch you in the face.

[573] Yeah.

[574] I started getting into martial arts just because I was scared.

[575] I just wanted people to be scared of me. I didn't want to do anything.

[576] Like, I didn't want to start fights.

[577] I just wanted everybody to be scared of me. I wanted to be Wolverine.

[578] You got the look.

[579] Yes.

[580] Yeah, it's a weird thing, but the interesting aspect of it is that I'm a huge MMA fan, and I don't think you have MMA if you don't have bullies.

[581] True.

[582] It's really kind of fucked up, but one of the things, I mean, it's not everybody, but God damn, a lot of them have been bullied.

[583] Like, I don't know if John Jones has been bullied, but I do know that John Jones has a bigger brother, and they used to go at it in the house all the time, So like that's it's not bullied because it's not dangerous.

[584] I mean, it's like your brother, but it's still like you got to fight all the time.

[585] Oh, my brother used to beat the crap out of me. My oldest brother, Tom, he was kind of a dick.

[586] He was, he was a bully.

[587] But he's, you know, he's like 15 years older than me. My brother Brad, who fought professionally before there was anything.

[588] You know, like I told you, he fought me a fan and stuff.

[589] And he was five and oh, or five in one or six and one.

[590] You said we trained a tenth.

[591] No, yeah, you trained there.

[592] I trained with Eddie at 10th and you a 10th.

[593] But we know, we were at next generation.

[594] And our, when we would get mad to each other?

[595] I mean, we'd be at the gym.

[596] And I'm sure he, you know, he never probably really let me have it, but he used to beat the crap out of me. And I was, I was 15 getting beat up by grown men, by the Chris Brennan's, and the Adam Lins and my brother, and Jeremy, it's, it sucked, man, but that fucking sucks.

[597] Yeah, it was horrible.

[598] It was, it was, but it made me the fighter I am now.

[599] Yeah, but that's almost, I mean, I'm not encouraging bullies in any stretch of the imagination, but George St. Pierre was bullied.

[600] Yeah.

[601] The greatest fighter of all time.

[602] He's one of the all time grades.

[603] Oh, yeah, by far.

[604] I don't know about Anderson Silva, but I would like to know.

[605] I wonder whether the voice like that in talking about.

[606] I mean, he for sure was in a dangerous area growing up.

[607] Yeah.

[608] It seems like those days, like, it's funny just like watching those old fights and those shoot the box guys would all come in like a gang.

[609] Yeah.

[610] They were the wildest motherfuckers.

[611] I mean, fighting in like backyards.

[612] Oh, yeah.

[613] Going from grass to concrete to stucco wall.

[614] Yeah.

[615] Just wearing tiny speedos.

[616] Like, when you go, like, you look at the early days of pride, and you see, like, Vandrelay and Shogun and Ninja.

[617] Like, God damn, they were scariest motherfuckers, wild -ass Brazilian dudes.

[618] Trying to step on your face.

[619] Oh, yeah.

[620] Like, trying to...

[621] And there's not a drug test to be had, son.

[622] They were pretty open about it back then.

[623] I mean, I've heard things from, you know, people who were there, they were like, hey, like, guys, guess what?

[624] Like, we don't test for steroids.

[625] Yeah.

[626] Well, they tell you to get on them, too.

[627] I had a friend who he was 170, and they wanted him to go to 185.

[628] He gave you struts.

[629] Give you struts.

[630] They were just like ready to go.

[631] They were just going gangster.

[632] I mean, in a lot of ways, I was really happy that pride existed and that it was as wild as it was.

[633] Because they put together shit that no one would ever sanction.

[634] Like Minotaro versus Bob Sap, when Bob Sap was 370 plus.

[635] Like, people don't realize that that's really.

[636] real he was 370 fucking pounds hong man choy like bringing these just these oddities out yeah just like what was the big fat black guy from brazil um zuluino or whatever yes i mean and he could he could fight but he was just they just see these well he was zulu's son yeah they they see the japanese see things differently they just see entertainment you know like they see a black guy and they're like oh he's got to be entertaining that's why he's here you know like he get quentin like they love him over there well clinton also had some sensation well and he was fights, man. I'm just saying the Japanese, they have the niche that they like and they just make it the weirdest craziest shit they can.

[637] Yeah, anybody who complains about Quentin Rampage Jackson, you are not an MMA fan.

[638] If you complain about Rampage, I don't care where he's at now, I don't care whatever, stop, go back and watch those pride fights and shut the fuck up.

[639] He was a badass.

[640] His fight with Kevin Randleman, incredible fight.

[641] His fight with Arona, is one of the highlight all -time slam.

[642] in the history of MMA.

[643] That's when he was with my coach, Oiyama.

[644] Ah, yeah, yeah.

[645] Yeah, Rampage was a beast, man. Oiyama had him throwing more leg kicks.

[646] He had him doing a lot of different things than he's doing.

[647] He became like a real power puncher after a while.

[648] You know, look, Rampage can still knock out anyone in the world.

[649] If he catches anyone in the world, their fucks go in his sleep.

[650] He has hammers.

[651] That right hook that he hit Chuck Ladell with, I'll never forget that punch.

[652] He ducked away.

[653] I think Chuck threw a left.

[654] and he came over the top of the right, whatever it was.

[655] I think Chuck was pawing with his jab, maybe.

[656] He was trying to set up the right.

[657] Whatever it was.

[658] Rampage hit him with either...

[659] I think it was a counter -right hook.

[660] I know they were circling.

[661] I can see the camera here now.

[662] God, I barely remember.

[663] Chuck's one of my best friends, so that's ingrained in my brain, you know.

[664] But I think they're circling left, and then, of course, you know, something.

[665] He threw that right hook and just boom.

[666] That was...

[667] Rampage had that ridiculous one -punch, power that van der leigh fight's another example god damn he uncorked that left hook on the button you're going nine you know nobody had ever done i mean crow cop he hit him a gang at times before he flatlined him he was lighting vanderlay up in that fight because the first time they fought it was an incredible fight but crocop just really wasn't good on the ground yet his takedown defense wasn't there very little very little and they had a strange rules fight whereas like you could only stay on the ground for a little bit of time.

[668] It was like a minute or some short period.

[669] Some short period.

[670] So Crow Cop would just lock them up in a guard and try to hang on.

[671] I don't know what rules they had.

[672] It was a weird rule thing.

[673] It was pride.

[674] They did it over there.

[675] But then in the second fight, Crocop had had a few MMA fights, and he got his timing down.

[676] And that was when Crow Cop was Crocop.

[677] He was dangerous.

[678] God.

[679] That was a scary man. I mean, he had, again, one of the scariest tools to ever exist in an MMA that he knocked out multiple people with.

[680] And the thing about But Crow Cop is, I feel like UFC fans, again, don't appreciate the majesty that was Crow Cop in his prime.

[681] We got him after a long career, a hard career against Fador and against Josh Barnett.

[682] I mean, he fought some fucking battles.

[683] So by the time we got him in the UFC, he had been in quite a few, like, real, real wars.

[684] And think of all the heavyweight kickboxing fights he had.

[685] Yeah, exactly.

[686] Yeah, he fought a lot of K -1 fights against the top guys.

[687] High level, high level guys.

[688] That Mark Hunt fight.

[689] It's a classic one, man. Classic.

[690] They had some wars in K -1, man. People had...

[691] I mean, he was in the mix with some of the best fighters in the world over there.

[692] Yeah, you got the Bonjowski and a small Alistair, Peter Ayuritz, you know, the Tyrone Spongs.

[693] Like the Dutch group of kickboxers, the heavyweights are...

[694] I mean, and these guys have like 100 heavyweight fights, 200 heavyweight fights.

[695] I mean, this is insane.

[696] I mean, someone my size, okay, you have 200 Thai fights in Thailand.

[697] It's still pretty gnarly.

[698] It's more than gnarly.

[699] It's crazy.

[700] But, I mean, double the size and almost the same amount of fights.

[701] I mean, that's just, that's completely insane.

[702] Yeah, it's incredible.

[703] I mean, dude had 29 kickboxing fights on record.

[704] On record.

[705] And then 41 MMA fights.

[706] God damn.

[707] Yeah.

[708] Yeah.

[709] He had some great fucking K -WK.

[710] fights too man really fun see he was one of the best guys to come over even though he wasn't one of the best K1 guys he was like just below the the elite of the elite like it wasn't just below like the Grand Prix winners yeah exactly before he did win a Grand Prix recently yeah right it was in it was the European one or something yeah something like that I'll I'll find out and give him the credit he deserves but when he came over he was he had the one thing that a lot of people didn't have ridiculous speed and explosion and he had like, I think he had a karate background, right?

[711] Is that correct when he first started?

[712] I think he started like, I'm sure that was a long long ago.

[713] Didn't he like with John Claude Van Damme movies or something like that and learn how to kick that way and then got anything crazy like that, I believe.

[714] I believe that that's like how it got started.

[715] I think he like was a Jean -Claude Van Dam fan and then got into karate from that.

[716] But his fucking kicks are so unusual.

[717] The angle, the speed.

[718] The speed was ridiculous.

[719] And he's got, I mean, horse legs.

[720] Like, those things are huge.

[721] So, of course, those kicking you in the face is going to not feel good.

[722] And he, again, I mean, it was like, he had that weight.

[723] It was like, you know, 2 .30 -ish, 2 .28.

[724] He said, yeah, 228 is what he, like, the average that he weighed when he was in his prime.

[725] And it was just scary fast.

[726] When he knocked out Bob Sapp, Bob Sapp was 3 fucking 70.

[727] And Merkel Krocop, no, he right -handed him, or left -handed him, a straight left to the eyesight.

[728] Oh, he broke his eye socket, remember?

[729] Oh, he broke his eye socket.

[730] Yeah, he broke his eye socket.

[731] I think he kicked him before that.

[732] I remember a kick to the body?

[733] Yeah.

[734] See if you can find that.

[735] See if you could find Krocop versus Bob Sapp.

[736] Because that was one of Krokov's best fights, and he was a kickboxing fight too.

[737] You know, that was back when this was a guy, Bob Sap, who had beaten Ernesto Hoost, who most people think was the greatest ever, or one of the top ten guys ever, for sure.

[738] I shouldn't say the greatest ever.

[739] Like, even Dutch guys say, but it's kind of been.

[740] Between him, when he's in his prime, or, like, Rob Kamen, or, of course, Ramone Decker's.

[741] But Decker's gets the most credit because he fought the lightest guys.

[742] Yeah, exactly.

[743] I read that.

[744] Roman Decker's is four of my idols.

[745] Look at this shit, dude.

[746] This is Bob Sap versus Merco Krocop.

[747] Merco is literally almost 200 pounds lighter than him.

[748] He's actually 100, he's probably, no bullshit, 150 pounds lighter than him.

[749] Easily.

[750] Which is incredible.

[751] And, I mean, he just sucks.

[752] man. And he's chasing Crow Cop around and he gets a hold of him and he like trying to rabbit punch him, like he's trying to dirty box him.

[753] He just wants to clubby to death.

[754] He's that big, he just has to lay one on you and you're done.

[755] But Merco was strong enough and fast enough to keep him off, which is the difference between his style and Ernesto Huss.

[756] The Ernesto Huss is the better kickboxer, like, technically than Merco.

[757] Oh, yeah.

[758] What makes Merco so dangerous in M .A. is that he's explosive and it'll dart in and blast you.

[759] He'll take a chance and do something wild where a guy like...

[760] He teaches you with something hard yeah it's not just a ridiculous shit not just a feeler i mean that that's he wants to yeah he would go after you oh i forgot he got ball clipped he got ball clipped it looks like or something happened there very rarely do you get pokes in pride too that's another interesting thing this is actually kickboxing about those fat fingers on yeah fat fingers and it apparently the way it's designed it makes you uh curl your hand more uh keep it curled whereas the ufc ones do you feel that the ufc ones make your hand straighten out I never thought about it I'll have to check that out next time Well they say that the pride ones were like curved They had like a curve Yeah they were actually bent curved Where the UFC ones are straight Yeah and as you Especially as a fight goes on You've relaxed your hands maybe a little bit Like that would be a time Where the pride one would be better Because it would keep them kind of curved That makes sense Oh so he hit him with a body shot there Backed that up I'm talking too much People who listen into this And watching this are getting two totally different experiences Because I don't even know who has the See there's the body shot Boom.

[761] Left kick to the body and straight left to the face.

[762] Marco Krocop was a fucking savage back then, man. He was one of the most dangerous guys as far as like sniper strikers.

[763] Yeah.

[764] And then came into M .MA and fought in pride.

[765] Holy shit, with those some great fights.

[766] His knockouts in pride are some of the all -time greatest highlight reel head kick knockouts.

[767] It's the same thing.

[768] Yeah, ego of chance can, boom!

[769] Alexander Millian ankle, boom!

[770] Just blasting dudes with that head kick.

[771] kick.

[772] That Russian dude, Doscaros with the he came in with the Luta Libre mask on.

[773] Head kick, bong!

[774] Yeah, he was trained with Marco Huas for that fight, and I remember thinking like, dude, this guy's gonna, duh.

[775] Because, you know, Marco was in our area, was in our area, and I had some friends that trained over there, and I remember just like, I would stop in there every once in a while, and I was just like, man, this guy's, this guy might actually die on this one.

[776] Yeah, he was amazing, man. Marco, when he, at that level, that's, like, when he was at his very best.

[777] It was either before he was challenging Fador right after.

[778] Yeah.

[779] It was somewhere in that area where it was him chasing after Fador couldn't quite beat that guy.

[780] You know, that guy was the best at that time, at that time.

[781] You know, still one of my all -time favorites.

[782] Especially now, like, now that, you know, you've had a chance to, like, look at his career in perspective because, you know, he's decided to step back.

[783] I've been watching some of his old fights.

[784] Like, I've watched the best of pride and you watch some of the crazy ones.

[785] Oh, my God.

[786] He was a risk -taking motherfucker, man. As a heavyweight champ, a wrist -taking motherfucker.

[787] He wanted to go in there, and he wanted to finish you.

[788] No matter what, he wanted to, and he wanted to just violently just crush you.

[789] And he would, I mean, it just seemed like he had that super killer instinct that, I mean, is rare.

[790] He was incredible.

[791] Yeah.

[792] He was so aggressive, and explosive, and yet unassuming.

[793] Yeah.

[794] It was the weirdest thing.

[795] 230 pounds, 20 pounds of not buff.

[796] At all.

[797] Almost like a chubby kid.

[798] Yeah.

[799] Not even.

[800] little buff.

[801] And just like, I mean, he could move.

[802] Yeah.

[803] That guy was fast and he hit with, you know, he hit like a, had a brick on the end of his hand.

[804] And it was crazy because he really started off as a grappler.

[805] Yeah.

[806] But somewhere along the line, he became one of the scariest strikers in MMA.

[807] And one of the guys who was the most successful striking.

[808] Like, his fight with Crow Cop was basically a kickboxing fight.

[809] Yeah, they stood the whole time.

[810] Yeah.

[811] I mean, there was a few exchanges on the ground where he was inside of Crow Cobb's guard.

[812] But for the most part, it was a kickboxing bout that he won.

[813] Yeah, exactly.

[814] He outraged Crow Cop.

[815] And he just kept Crow Cop backing up.

[816] He kept coming forward, and he's always dangerous.

[817] You know, and there was fights where he had to come back, too.

[818] Like the fight against Fujita, where he got clipped.

[819] Remember that fight?

[820] He did the chicken dance.

[821] Yeah, he did the chicken dance.

[822] And then, you know, 15 seconds later, Fujita's out.

[823] Yeah.

[824] Ran him and slammed him and then literally just swept him and took his arm.

[825] That Kimura, that reverse arm bar, whatever it is, that was beautiful.

[826] And it was like the seconds after getting slammed on his head And one of the most ridiculous suplexes ever attempted in MMA And Randman, if you never saw Rathamon fight, Randman was probably the biggest freak athlete to ever get into MMA.

[827] I know that's like a big statement.

[828] No, that guy is a ball of...

[829] Of Alpha.

[830] Of Alpha, yeah, he is just...

[831] I mean...

[832] He could do things physically...

[833] Like the Hulk.

[834] Like the Hulk.

[835] If the Hulk was real.

[836] Yeah, that's him.

[837] He would go into the octagon before fights and do this thing where he would jump up in the air just to kind of freak you out.

[838] And he would literally jump to the top of the octagon.

[839] It was one of the weirdest thing you've ever seen in your life.

[840] You couldn't believe a human could jump that high.

[841] He's not that tall, but wide and just long.

[842] He's probably, is he 5 -11 or 6 feet tall, maybe?

[843] 5 -11, I'd say.

[844] And unbelievably muscular in his prime.

[845] I mean, he was a superhero.

[846] He had a 26 -inch waist.

[847] He looked like Wolverine.

[848] Like if Wolverine was a real person.

[849] He had that build, and God damn that motherfucker could move.

[850] Rannerman would take guys down and take guys down with these powered doubles, like, launched them through the air, like he was launching hundreds of pounds.

[851] He was, and then, you know, those big looping setup hooks that he would throw like he knocked a crocop with?

[852] He jumped from halfway across the ring.

[853] Ridiculous.

[854] Explosiveness, athleticism, power speed, off the charts.

[855] But it seemed like there was only bursts where he really applied himself, you know?

[856] That's one of the curses, it seems like, for like these ultra, ultra -talented guys.

[857] It's like almost it comes too easy.

[858] And it's almost like guys that have to, I've always said, like, if you want to learn technique, like when he's like trying to learn jiu -jitsu, learn from a light guy.

[859] Yeah.

[860] Learn from a guy who has struggle and really learn how to do it correctly.

[861] You learn from some Kevin Ranneman -type cat.

[862] Like, that guy can do shit you can't do, man. Like, he's still getting around that.

[863] You ain't going to do what he's doing.

[864] He's just going to can't opener you all day.

[865] Yeah, let's just forget that.

[866] We've got to figure out another way.

[867] way to approach this because you guys are dealing with two different kinds of vehicles that guy's got a fucking Ferrari he can do crazy shit you can't do that you got to think yeah you're in a Ford Aspire aren't gonna it's weird that a lot of those guys that are like super ultra talented for whatever reason they don't achieve the same results that a lot of the guys that are like almost it's an uphill battle the entire way but along the way they develop these incredible skills like perfect example of a guy who had very few physical gifts and didn't even take care of his health was Jeremy Horn.

[868] Yeah.

[869] You know, and Jeremy Horn would eat shitty ass food.

[870] He was never yoked.

[871] He didn't lift a weight in his life.

[872] He had, what, 200 fights or something?

[873] Fucking goddamn Jeremy Horn had a lot of fights.

[874] And he very rarely got hurt.

[875] Yeah.

[876] Very rare.

[877] He got Chuck.

[878] The Chuck fight was like the only fight where he got hurt.

[879] That was a bludgeoning.

[880] That was sad.

[881] It was a bludgeoning.

[882] It was a different Chuck.

[883] It was a different Chuck, and Jeremy didn't belong in that weight class.

[884] There was already a weight class below.

[885] He should have been competing at 85.

[886] It was, I think, a money thing.

[887] It was a hype thing, you know?

[888] Well, yeah, it was like Chuck's first loss.

[889] Yeah.

[890] It was a fun fight.

[891] The first fight was interesting because Jeremy caught Chuck with an arm triangle from the bottom and put him to sleep, which never happens.

[892] It's so rare.

[893] And if you know how fucking strong Chuck LaDelle is, that's when that becomes really incredible.

[894] Yeah.

[895] Because Chuck is a fucking savage.

[896] He's a very big, very strong man. People don't know.

[897] was like in person, I saw some of his greatest victories.

[898] Yeah.

[899] Like the Tito fights and Babaloo fights and just you could think of there's so many of them.

[900] Back to him.

[901] The Randolphin fight.

[902] Another great fight.

[903] Chuck had a way of going after dudes.

[904] Like the first Tito knockout that fucking series of hammers he threw.

[905] He was a terrifying guy, man. Terrifying.

[906] Especially for Tito that time because Tito knew.

[907] Yeah, it was coming.

[908] Yeah, Tito knew it was coming.

[909] coming.

[910] He knew that it was only going to get worse with no pads on.

[911] And Tito doesn't like getting hit.

[912] He's just that kind of guy who will break under that kind of pressure.

[913] I think most people will.

[914] But I mean, he just he wilted pretty bad.

[915] Well, it was just a terrible matchup for him at that time.

[916] And I think Tito was already having some back problems.

[917] Yeah.

[918] I think Tito's back had been fucking with him for a while.

[919] I mean, you got to think he had a real powerful style.

[920] You know, Tito had this really aggressive attacking style.

[921] And the only fucking feed that bitch is you've got to work it like that in the gym.

[922] Yeah.

[923] You know, and I'm sure if he fought the way he fought, and if he trained for those kind of fights, I bet his training was every bit as fucking brutal.

[924] And that's an incredible amount of punishment for your body to take.

[925] My coach is the one who had him there and he just, I mean, that guy trained his ass off from what my coach is that Colin Yama?

[926] Yeah, Colin says that...

[927] Collin's been around forever.

[928] Yeah, he's super old school.

[929] Old school, respect.

[930] Yeah.

[931] I guess.

[932] Yeah, my respect.

[933] We got an old school team, man. Fuck, yeah, you do.

[934] I mean, to go from, like, Tito's early days, you know.

[935] That dude went hard, man. And I'll tell you what, you know, people, I don't think Tito Ortiz gets enough respect.

[936] No, he doesn't.

[937] Because people realize that during his era, he was incredibly dominant.

[938] Even if he lost to Chuck Lidale or whoever he lost to, during Tito's era, when he was on top, when he beat Evan Tanner, when he slammed him and caoed him, rest in peace, Evan Tanner.

[939] Yeah.

[940] When, you know, when he beat.

[941] Ken Shamrock, and granted, these are not the best fighters in the world.

[942] At the time, Ken had already had a long career and had a lot of damage, and his ACLs were fucked up, you know, but he, it doesn't matter.

[943] Tito was fucking dominant back down.

[944] When he would get his hands on you, he was so strong and get you down with clean wrestling, and then he may, like, maybe he didn't punch on her on the feet, but when he got on top of you, oh, man, he was putting all of his weight into the elbows, all of his weight into the punches, and I mean, he was just on point.

[945] that in my opinion he's like a pioneer of ground and pound inside the guard definitely because he's one of the best at doing it inside the guard like everybody i say like if i see someone doing a ground and pound thing in the guard i always think well this guy would do better if he would get out this position yeah not tito tito would fucking smash guys from inside their guard and i think we learned a lot about horsepower in those fights yeah that if you got that kind of horsepower there's certain there's like most dudes have a 320 horsepower engine and you know if you're in there with a dude like Tito, Tito's got a 500 horsepower engine, okay?

[946] And you're not going to hold on to one with your legs.

[947] Yeah, it's not your sweaty -ass, tired legs.

[948] I'm not going to keep that animal fucking slamming elbows in your face.

[949] But it's just, that was his time.

[950] And everybody's time is very limited in that sport.

[951] Of course, yeah.

[952] We all have a very limited shelf life.

[953] I mean, we're going to go bad.

[954] Even T, I mean, even Chuck, who was one of the most durable guys ever.

[955] Yeah.

[956] At a certain point in time, he had to be like, you know what, that's, we're gone.

[957] We're gone.

[958] I mean, that your body gives out, that button gets pushed too much.

[959] whatever it is.

[960] And it just, you know, one day, you know, we, most of us want to go out on our shield, you know, so that's just how it ends.

[961] And it's not that, it's not always pretty.

[962] You know, it's interesting, the volume of strikes that you guys deal with in the flyweight division, it's got to be higher than, by far than any other division, right?

[963] Have you ever, has anybody ever compiled it and tried to see, like, what the volume of strikes is?

[964] That's a good, uh, someone do that on the UG.

[965] Someone, uh, someone, figure out.

[966] Someone probably already has.

[967] They're like, I'm all in it.

[968] Crunching numbers, I got the beta.

[969] There's probably dudes out there that remember all those stats.

[970] I only have the weekends.

[971] But the amount of actual beats that actual go on, whether it's movement, steps, strikes landed, and the accelerated aspect of that in comparison to maybe other weight classes where they don't move as much, I wonder if that has an impact on your body getting to a certain point and just saying, All right, we're good.

[972] I landed the fourth most leg kicks in UFC history.

[973] Oh, my God.

[974] That's what Halwani told me. In your last fight?

[975] Yeah, 43.

[976] Holy shit.

[977] God damn.

[978] Which, I'm going to have to kick harder because if I land 43 kicks, someone should not be walking.

[979] I'm just thinking about 43 kicks hitting your legs.

[980] And that was just the body.

[981] That was just the legs.

[982] I got a couple of the body and couple of the head, I think.

[983] The average person.

[984] I come from a Muay gym.

[985] I know you do.

[986] Listen, I love your footwork, too, man. You're a fun guy to watch.

[987] It's constant excitement.

[988] And your last fight was fucking badass.

[989] I wish I was there.

[990] Yeah, it was a lot of fun.

[991] Did you fight in Brazil?

[992] Is that where it was?

[993] Yeah.

[994] What was that like?

[995] Oh, man, I love Brazil.

[996] And I went out of my way to make the fans appreciate me and not hate me. I was the only non -Brazilian that didn't get booed at weigh -ins.

[997] Oh, that's beautiful.

[998] And, you know, and of course, I knew I would get booed during the fight because there's 15 ,000, 20 ,000 angry Brazilians in it.

[999] What do they say?

[1000] They chant, you're going to die.

[1001] Who, who, who, who, we're going to die.

[1002] You know what I think, though, man?

[1003] Undeniably, you're one of the best fighters in the world.

[1004] Thank you.

[1005] And undeniably, they're mixed martial arts fans.

[1006] Those people, when they see a top contender in his weight class respect.

[1007] They appreciate it.

[1008] I mean, there's a few guys that have said stupid shit.

[1009] Like, Chale Sonnen can't go to fucking Brazil.

[1010] Like, if Chale ever, look, Chale's not the type to come to me for advice.

[1011] Yeah.

[1012] But if he ever came to me. for advice and he said hey uh joe they're offering me a fight against the brazil vitor belford in brazil do i go fuck no you don't go no don't eat the food don't go and i'm not saying brazilian people would poison you don't get me wrong but one of them might shit they're fucking they have a lot of pride they're the most intense fans and i like it i enjoy it i was chanting you're going to die along with them how does it what is it the words to that again i think it's Banda, it's M -A -R -R -A, it's somewhere, somewhere around there, something like that.

[1013] Yeah.

[1014] And they just, I mean, even in Australia, American fans, you've got to get your act together.

[1015] You guys are half really knowledgeable but quiet, and the other loud half are douchebags and are just drunk.

[1016] But, like, other countries, they might be douche -packs, but they're all doing it at once.

[1017] Like, you know, they just become one giant entity of energy that's just going fucking crazy.

[1018] God, I love that shit, man. There's nothing like Brazil for that.

[1019] Nothing like it.

[1020] It's a really life -changing experience.

[1021] First of all, they're there for the first fight an hour early.

[1022] An hour early, the place is packed to the gills.

[1023] They're singing songs and shit.

[1024] I'm not joking, right?

[1025] Yeah, it's incredible.

[1026] You can hear it in the back and you're like, wow.

[1027] They have fucking passion.

[1028] And they're so successful.

[1029] If you look at Brazil in the international MMA scene, I mean, fucking across the board from the old days, the very first one, hoist Gracie, to go over just all.

[1030] all these different dudes that are Anderson, Shogun, you know, just all throughout the list, Fabrizio Verdui.

[1031] They're everywhere.

[1032] Vanderlai Silva, of course, you know, and Jesus Christ, so many jiu -jitsu guys.

[1033] Aldo Barrao.

[1034] So many.

[1035] There's so many.

[1036] And they're still coming.

[1037] They're coming more and more and more.

[1038] You've seen these guys from, whether it's Novo Niao or, you know, all the different teams.

[1039] There's a fucking gang of them over there.

[1040] Yeah, and when we were down there, I didn't get to see it, but my coach and, and, a few of the guys went to go into X -Gyim to watch sparring.

[1041] And Jiva got Jeeva, my jiu -jitsu coach, Jiva, the arm collector, Santana.

[1042] He got, you know, he, like, the guy didn't, like, the guy, they just go super hard, and the guy, the guy hit him with, like, a spinning heel kick and hit him in the ribs and just, like, separated a rib or something or hurt him.

[1043] And, uh, and they're like, man, those guys, they, they're fighting.

[1044] Yeah.

[1045] Like, they are going, they're trying to knock each other out.

[1046] Like, Jean -Cadee knocks him out, and woke him up, and the guy kept sparring.

[1047] Oh, my God.

[1048] God.

[1049] You know?

[1050] Like they're, it's like, of course, if you can survive that, you're going to survive a fight.

[1051] You know, I mean, they're tough.

[1052] They're way, they build a tougher product than I think anywhere else in the world.

[1053] Do you think it's just the extreme poverty that's close by that you're getting a lot of like real intense, like, need to get the fuck out of there and elevate your position?

[1054] And this is an opportunity to become Anderson Silva.

[1055] Exactly.

[1056] To be, yeah, to be a baller.

[1057] To be Elvis, you know.

[1058] Intercontinental baller, you know.

[1059] By far.

[1060] I think that.

[1061] They see it and they know that that's where, you know, the humble beginnings they started at.

[1062] So they see it and it just makes sense.

[1063] There's a straight path.

[1064] Yeah, there's a straight path.

[1065] There's no, I mean, there's, you just know where to go, you know.

[1066] Such a high level of competition there.

[1067] It's really interesting to say.

[1068] But you know what?

[1069] In America, you can say the same thing.

[1070] There's such a high level of competition everywhere in MMA.

[1071] Oh, yeah, there is.

[1072] It's amazing.

[1073] It's an amazing time where you're seeing high -level females.

[1074] Yeah.

[1075] You know, you're seeing like really high -level MMA fights that are happening in female divisions.

[1076] They're going to have to expand female divisions in the UFC.

[1077] Yeah, we have one of my training partners to grow up my gym that's the Invicted champ Carlos Barza.

[1078] And I mean, she is vicious.

[1079] She's fucking badass.

[1080] She is I see her beat dudes up all the time.

[1081] And I mean, she is fucking mean.

[1082] I mean, like, in the gym, I've had to crack her hard.

[1083] And just be like, hey, Jesus.

[1084] Like, stop it.

[1085] She's trying to kill you?

[1086] Yeah, like, I told you once, I told you twice.

[1087] If you do that again, I'm going to drop you.

[1088] Do you feel like you're in a John Wayne movie when that it happens, we got to smack a bitch and go, hey, listen, I know you've been fucking up some dudes.

[1089] If you ain't fucking up me, I'm not trying to fuck you up.

[1090] I'm just, just, we're trying to go with technique, Carla, don't hit me that hard.

[1091] Pop and I hit her back.

[1092] She's go, I'm sorry, I'm like, okay.

[1093] Well, some people get really intense, man. They get really intense.

[1094] But that's, you know, obviously it's a style of training and some people disagree with it.

[1095] Like, they think that like to shoot, box it up, you're going to punch a car too many times before you even get into a ring or a cage.

[1096] We're head gear.

[1097] That's what I do.

[1098] But does that, really make an impact because they say that headgear even though you don't get cut as up as much you're you're still it's the impact on the brain the actual impact doesn't change it gets cushioned a bit yeah but it almost rattles you more that could be true i i don't know i just i just you know i'm no scientist yeah i have no idea i just it it keeps it makes me think i'm protected yeah i agree So I'll wear it.

[1099] Well, and also, do you practice training with guys that you can trust?

[1100] Do you like it?

[1101] Or do you train with anybody?

[1102] No, no. We've got to tighten it team.

[1103] It's an interesting thing, isn't it, that MMA over, like, maybe the past, like, decade or so has really developed a way to professionally approach things.

[1104] Whereas there was a lot of variation just 10 years ago in training methods, and a lot of people did a lot of stupid shit.

[1105] Well, we've got, you know, we bring in wrestlers.

[1106] You know, we have the wrestling coaches that bring in wrestlers to work with me. I have the guys that are on the team, but then I also have guys that are just Muay.

[1107] You know, like Romeo Donza.

[1108] He's my, you know, he's the guy's one of the best U .S. kickboxers of all time, you know.

[1109] And people, no one knows who he is.

[1110] You fight the 115 pounds.

[1111] But he'll sleep at any heavy weight out there, promise you.

[1112] He's incredible.

[1113] What is his name again?

[1114] Romeo, Donza.

[1115] And is he going to fight M. Or just Muita?

[1116] He's, he's just Moy Thai.

[1117] You know, he's had a bad string of luck the past couple of fights, but I mean, he's just, incredible and and and but like I said that a lot of high level moitai now days too right yeah I've got the moitai the wrestling the jiu jitsu and I work it all separate all with guys I trust that are my size and then we can combine it too and who's the mastermind of your camp is it you and colin colin do you work it out together it's just Colin just Colin colin jiva for the jujitsu and then romi for for you know because he he holds pads for me you know we'll go like literally we'll go like an hour straight holding pads um and then rome aram no rome adonzo rome adonzo yeah Romy Arams over at Millennia.

[1118] Yeah, yeah.

[1119] That's what I was going to say.

[1120] And then you have, for wrestling off, Sheldon Kim.

[1121] Romney's another old school guy, right?

[1122] Him with Hobby Vasquez?

[1123] Old school.

[1124] Super old.

[1125] I mean, he was...

[1126] Bad motherfuckers right there.

[1127] He was a black belt at, like, what, 16?

[1128] A long -ass time ago, too, and there's no black belts.

[1129] Yeah.

[1130] I mean, he's...

[1131] Yeah.

[1132] I never rolled with Javi, but Javi rolled...

[1133] I saw him roll a couple of times in John Jacques in person, watching his jujitsu.

[1134] Chiu -Jitsu is incredible.

[1135] He talks to you the whole time.

[1136] It's a constrictor.

[1137] And just tells you what's going to happen.

[1138] and like in like a super sometimes annoying way he's so good he'll show you after what what he did but it's like dude oh my god you're so good it's crazy Eddie Bravo told me a hobby Vasquez story the first time he ever went to a tournament he saw hobby he saw this dude running sprints up the stairs and he was like what the fuck who the hell's gonna have to fight this fucking guy Eddie comes in there with flip flops on he can't even do a sit -up and he's watching this fucking dude run sprints upstairs I think he I think he lost a hobby twice.

[1139] I want to say he almost caught him in a twister once, but him and Havi had some crazy battles.

[1140] Javi's elite, elite jihitsu guy.

[1141] Yeah, very rarely do.

[1142] There's black belts, and then there's the super elite.

[1143] Yeah.

[1144] You know, like the Javis or the Jivas or the or the, you know, the there's, you know, you can name off a million different graces.

[1145] Havi's also a guy that he was pretty public about his knee injury.

[1146] Yeah.

[1147] You know, he had a pretty fucking serious knee injury and he lost his title.

[1148] Yeah.

[1149] And what the fuck was it that he fought?

[1150] God damn it.

[1151] I can see him right in front of me right now.

[1152] He fought in the UFC as well, that guy.

[1153] God damn, I gotta look it up now.

[1154] Sorry, Javi.

[1155] Havi's listening.

[1156] He's like, what the fuck, Joe?

[1157] Fuck you guys.

[1158] How do you not remember, bitch?

[1159] I can't remember.

[1160] There's not enough room.

[1161] All right?

[1162] There's a thing called...

[1163] I know Robert fought him.

[1164] Robert's team on my team, but I don't know if that wasn't the fight, I don't think.

[1165] No, no. Robert just stayed out of his guard.

[1166] Yeah.

[1167] Robert fought a very smart fight again, Emerson.

[1168] Yeah.

[1169] That was another guy who had incredible skill and could have been really good.

[1170] Alberto Crane.

[1171] But wasted it.

[1172] Yeah, he fought Alberto Crane and blew out his ACL and then kept fucking fighting through the rest of the fight.

[1173] His shit was gone.

[1174] So his leg was buckling every time he tried to move.

[1175] Every single time.

[1176] And he just mangling the inside of his knee while he did that.

[1177] And he just really always had problems with it after that.

[1178] you know he had so many problems with it he's actually he got mad at me that i brought it up in a a telecast once i didn't meet i mean he was he talked about it in interviews i didn't think that i was like naming something that people weren't aware of but i was saying that someone should kick his legs because he's had problems with his knees and he was like that's kind of fucked up and i see his point it is kind of fucked up but it's also but it's the truth public knowledge yeah it's not like you hide that and like you told me don't tell anybody but i fuck my knee up Coaches are already going to have that thought of.

[1179] Yeah, and I just, I hate saying shit like that, but it is what you should do.

[1180] Yeah.

[1181] I mean, it's like if you were fighting in a movie like Game of Thrones and there was like the noble choice, no, it's not noble to kick a guy's legs if his knees are problematic.

[1182] But with a fucking boa constrictor like that, dude, you've got to take every advantage you can get anyway, right?

[1183] Yeah, you've got to just try and put a chink in that armor somewhere.

[1184] So the body doesn't move right if you can just start to hurt something.

[1185] Yeah, so he got mad that I brought that up.

[1186] But it's not that I don't love you, buddy.

[1187] I love you, hobby.

[1188] I do love that, dude.

[1189] I was bummed out that he was mad at me. But I get it.

[1190] I understand it.

[1191] Yeah.

[1192] It's one of those weird things where, like, people have been upset at me if I've done commentary on them losing in, like, spectacular fashion that, like, I sort of, like, I sort of, like, I sort of, like, I sort of, like, it's, like, I sort of, like, it's, you know, or they suspect that it's personal.

[1193] no way you get excited about doing your job that's that's a apparent yeah it's a weird job though you know yeah it's an especially weird job if you haven't done it you know because like I'm doing commentary on MMA I never had an MMA fight I never come close I wasn't even thinking about it you know I almost fought Wesley Snipes but I was pretty sure he didn't know what he was doing but I thought I was just gonna grab him just take him down a chuck that's all I felt like I'm like how's like I'm gonna keep me from grabbing him yeah what are you gonna do you're gonna be gonna be really slick It takes a long time We have a long time to dance I'll grab you I'm gonna grab you That's all I thought of I didn't think like I'll start fighting MMA You know So to do commentary On a guy like Anderson Silva Like who the fuck am I To say what he should do I have zero credibility It's a ridiculous position For me to be in Damn you, you're just like the refs man You had no business being there It's true I have no business being there And yet Not the refs I said the judges The refs have no right The refs actually For the most part I mean there's some mistakes Like Mazegadi takes a lot of heat.

[1194] I think it's a fucking tough gig.

[1195] It's a tough gig.

[1196] And I think there's excellent guys, like, in my opinion right now, Big John McCarthy's always top of the heap.

[1197] That's the gold standard.

[1198] And then there's Herb Dean, who I think is right up there.

[1199] He always has been.

[1200] Josh Rosenthal.

[1201] Josh Rosenthal's right up there, man. He's elite, man. I'm really bummed out about his legal situation.

[1202] He got a...

[1203] I don't want to blow up his spot.

[1204] Whatever.

[1205] I don't need to talk about his legal problems.

[1206] he's a great guy.

[1207] I wish that guy luck.

[1208] Yeah, me too.

[1209] He's a good dude.

[1210] He just did something that's only illegal because the world's run by cunts.

[1211] Yeah.

[1212] That's what I'm also answering things you shouldn't have had like firearm.

[1213] Whatever.

[1214] They don't have that.

[1215] Great dude.

[1216] I love the guy.

[1217] And he's a great referee, too.

[1218] Yeah.

[1219] You can count on him.

[1220] Like, there's a few guys, like, you find out they're going to be the referee.

[1221] You go, okay.

[1222] Good.

[1223] This is going to be a good fight.

[1224] Do you have say over who referees your fights?

[1225] No, I'm just waiting for the day that Kim Wenzell walks in and I can just raise my hand and go, hey, this is not happening.

[1226] I think Kim does a pretty good job, man. I don't think...

[1227] I think she has a real hard time with big people, though.

[1228] Yeah.

[1229] You know, like, who was her last fight where there's two fucking...

[1230] Oh, it was Gonzaga and Peewee Herman.

[1231] I was like, that is crazy.

[1232] Yeah.

[1233] Like, that's dangerous for her.

[1234] Yeah.

[1235] And for the fighters.

[1236] Yeah.

[1237] She's like 120 pounds, maybe, right?

[1238] And Gonzaga is 260.

[1239] 260 built like a fucking gorilla that someone took in a lab and merged with a human.

[1240] I mean, when he like gets in front of the camera and goes, wah, makes crazy faces and shit, I mean, Gonzaga looks like he's some crazy caveman.

[1241] Well, see, it just bothers me because she's made some bad choices and the fact that I don't want to hear a woman's voice in the cage.

[1242] Oh, how dare you?

[1243] Just, just bick and just yapping at me while I'm trying to fight.

[1244] Prepare for the feminists to be coming at you full bore, especially feminist MMA fans.

[1245] Yeah, that's just me. Which are in the, it's a huge growing part of the market.

[1246] The UFC's going to have to apologize for you now.

[1247] Probably.

[1248] We're probably both in trouble right now.

[1249] Let's shut our phones off so Dana can't text us.

[1250] Sorry to talk.

[1251] He'll fucking shut the internet down.

[1252] He'll call Vegas.

[1253] I'm getting this turn.

[1254] Call Lorenzo, shut the internet down.

[1255] Rogan and Ian are going to get us in trouble.

[1256] It's funny, man. But I see how you would want definitely If you have that opinion about it, whether it's a woman or a man, if you have an opinion about a referee that you don't think is good, I would think that would be important to make sure that that's one less thing you have to think about.

[1257] Do they give you a hard time about that?

[1258] Is that pretty easy to do?

[1259] I don't know.

[1260] I've never had to complain about it.

[1261] Because I know that's been in dispute in boxing matches.

[1262] Like there's certain reps that are slower to break things up and let guys fight out of clinches, you know, and then there's other reps that don't tolerate knowing that shit.

[1263] I've never seen it happen in UFC, so I don't know.

[1264] That's a good question.

[1265] I'm sure it's going to happen or it has happened and that they've taken care of it.

[1266] I'm sure Bert has made it quick work of it.

[1267] You know, that guy does his job.

[1268] Well, it's really, it's an interesting situation and a lot of people don't even aware of that.

[1269] Like, people go, what does the UFC fix your fucking judging?

[1270] They can't do anything.

[1271] Yeah, it's the state athletic commissions that control all the judging.

[1272] It's getting better, I think, sometimes.

[1273] Sometimes I think it's getting better.

[1274] Right.

[1275] And every now and then a fight comes along and you're like, wait, what?

[1276] You know, come on, man. Like, there's some shit you guys are not taking into consideration.

[1277] consideration here.

[1278] You know, there's a few fights where you just go, man, I'm missing something here.

[1279] I don't get how that was...

[1280] What did you see that I didn't see or not say?

[1281] I'm just laughing.

[1282] I really believe this.

[1283] And this sounds like stupid bullshit.

[1284] But I think that they should consider having one extra vote, one extra judge.

[1285] And that one extra judge should be the internet.

[1286] That's what I think.

[1287] I think you should allow fans to register and vote and allow them to like you could rate someone who judges the way you rate a Yelp account like oh this food tastes like ass like oh this guy judges like shit and then you get a few red flags if you made some questionable decisions and then you get removed from the queue and you can't judge anymore or you can't judge high level fights or you have to prove yourself or whatever the fuck you got to do but I think having that as a fourth judging is a fourth option maybe even coming to it if it's a close disputed decision if it's close let's go to the internet judge let's see what that was and then you know take that into consideration or what i mean i don't know how you would factor it in what would be most valuable whether it's the in -person judges or the internet judge yeah because it's a different experience not being there as well maybe give them half a point yeah like is that does that make sense that is a different experience watching it cage side as it is watching it on television and it almost wouldn't be fair if they only watch it on television it's completely different yeah because there's so much There's so much you can't see.

[1288] I'm sure judges have screens in front of them, don't they?

[1289] Yeah, and you can, yeah, they do have screens if they want to catch angles.

[1290] They do now.

[1291] It's something that we complained about for a long fucking time before they finally gave in and started giving them screens.

[1292] Because there's certain angles where if someone, if I'm on one side of the cage and there's a ground fight going on on the exact opposite side of the cage, I can't see what's going on.

[1293] If a guy has his back to me and the other guy has, I don't know what he's, I have to see a moderate.

[1294] It's the only way to see it.

[1295] Exactly.

[1296] So finally judges get to see that.

[1297] Because for the longest time, some of the questionable decisions could be boiled down to that.

[1298] Like, you didn't get a good angle to see exactly what was happening the whole time.

[1299] So in a close, like, 10 -9 sort of a situation where it could go either way, there's a lot of fights where it could kind of go either way.

[1300] Where after the round was over, you're like, fuck, they've got to choose a winner here.

[1301] Yeah, and I mean, how much do refs or judges go off punch stats?

[1302] Do they know them right away?

[1303] I don't think they know them at all.

[1304] You know, that's the kind of thing that needs to get figured out.

[1305] We have them.

[1306] I know, but I'm saying that they should want that information to judge a fight.

[1307] I don't think they get it.

[1308] I'm pretty sure they don't get it.

[1309] So, like, I think that could influence them.

[1310] Yeah.

[1311] Yeah.

[1312] But I think that's why they don't get it.

[1313] I need to find that out for sure.

[1314] I should ask Mike Goldberg.

[1315] I'll text him.

[1316] That's how strong this is while this is going on.

[1317] It's, Mike Goldberg will be on that show.

[1318] If they don't know the numbers, then that's bullshit, because they need to know, they need to see those numbers.

[1319] Yeah, yeah.

[1320] It seems like that would be something just like the, just like the monitors, that would be a no -brainer.

[1321] But it's hard, man. It's hard to get change.

[1322] Change is fucking hard, you know.

[1323] Especially when it's run by a state program.

[1324] Yes, and that's what people need to understand.

[1325] It's not, this is not as simple as, like, the UFC needs to implement the, no, you're dealing with a whole bureaucracy.

[1326] You're dealing with people that don't want to lose their jobs.

[1327] You're dealing with, it's really tough to fire people because it's a government gig.

[1328] It's not the same.

[1329] You know, and that's part of, like, there's a lot of people that are judges that I like as human beings.

[1330] I always say hi to them.

[1331] They're very nice people.

[1332] I just don't think they're qualified to do what they're doing.

[1333] And I think there should be...

[1334] You can look at them and see that.

[1335] Yeah, there should be some sort of some sort of like absolute baseline knowledge that you have to have had.

[1336] You have to have some experience in some sort of combat sport.

[1337] Exactly.

[1338] I think that judges should have been fighters with so many fights.

[1339] It's a good idea.

[1340] You know?

[1341] Or at least hire a a stand -up judge a wrestling judge and a jih Tijuana and a jih Tudu judge or you know some sort of and then have a fourth MMA I don't know just they need to figure out something because everyone has to have knowledge and I think the entire sport instead of just one facet of it yeah I think you're right too but man if you had just jujitsu judges those motherfuckers would be every five was the jujitsu was winning my friend he said play guard he didn't know he can pass his god my friend you know we disagree everybody there was so many Brazilians were mad when Hodger Gracie got cut yeah they're fucking legend he's just so good man he's one more fight for 205 Mr. Dana White they're like they all wanted him you know they're so loyal and like a name like Gracie yeah you know that shit's that's his royalty in mixed martial arts as you get fuck Prince Charles all right that's real royalty the Gracie name is royalty it is so when Dana cut Hodger Gracie it's like Jesus what how dare you He's a dude that I don't think should be fighting in 185.

[1342] I look at Hodger, and he's so big.

[1343] He's so tall, and it is murder for that motherfucker to make 185.

[1344] I saw his, like, what he looked like after he'd weighed in.

[1345] Like, Jesus.

[1346] That dude, I mean, that is really hardcore weight cutting that guy's doing.

[1347] Yeah, he's a big boy.

[1348] Fuck yeah, he is, man. Yeah, the weight cutting is his...

[1349] Yeah, he's big, dude.

[1350] When you're around him, you're like, how does that guy weigh 185?

[1351] How's that even possible?

[1352] I see a lot of guys like that at every weight Yeah That is just like wow Yeah No one better exemplifies it than who Uh GSP's pretty big Anthony Romwell Johnson Yeah He's I mean he made one Well we barely made one I said 170 But now he's fighting at heavyweight Yeah It's okay And he's beating guys like Orlovsky You missed weight at 70 So they kicked you out of 70 They kicked you out of a weight class Which I don't You knew that was possible Then you miss weight at the 15 pounds higher weight class by 12 pounds so you missed your original weight by 27 pounds you're just being an asshole now I met him in between fights once is back when he was one of the scariest guys in the Walterweight division he was just coming up he had knocked out Tommy Burns and remember that fight ruthless fight man he was absolutely brutal Tommy was coming off the ultimate fighter and he was there's moments in fighters careers where they just appear like, oh my God, this is the motherfucker right here.

[1353] And he was one of them.

[1354] In that moment, when he burst on the scene and knocked out that Tommy Bernstein, that was like his coming out party.

[1355] I was like, this kid is fucking powerful.

[1356] Yeah, that's what it was.

[1357] I mean, he went after people, and he just, physically just crushed people.

[1358] And he was so big for 170.

[1359] It didn't even make sense.

[1360] No. I met him in between fights.

[1361] He was at one of the, I think it was in Denver, came down, and he wasn't competing.

[1362] So he was giant.

[1363] I go, what do you weigh?

[1364] And he goes, I'm about 2 .30, 220, 2 .30?

[1365] Like, how much?

[1366] What?

[1367] He was huge.

[1368] It was fucking gigantic.

[1369] That's, I mean, a foot.

[1370] That's a 60 -pound weight cut.

[1371] And he's built like a heavyweight, too.

[1372] Yeah, he's huge.

[1373] I mean, he looked like, it didn't look like, man, you shouldn't be fighting heavyweight.

[1374] It was like, yeah, you could be a heavyweight.

[1375] How the fuck did you get 170?

[1376] Because he's tall, too.

[1377] It's not like he's a short, super thick guy.

[1378] He's just a big man. Yeah, that's just got to be unbelievably bad for your body.

[1379] just got to be unbelievably bad for your body when you have that nutty seesaw, right?

[1380] Yeah, I honestly probably think it takes a year or two off your life every time you do it.

[1381] I mean, it's like, I cut, the most I've ever cut was 18 .8 and the last 20 hours.

[1382] It's a different thing for you, though, too, because of the percentage of your body weight, as opposed to like a guy like Johnson, who's 50, 60 pounds heavier.

[1383] But as I'm saying, I was in Florida.

[1384] Oh, my God.

[1385] When I fought Demetrius the second time, I cut 18 .8 pounds the last 20 hours.

[1386] I don't even know what I was before that I just That one really screwed me up When you go to a place like Florida How much time do you spend Adjusting to the moisture in the air And the change in the environment I don't I mean I don't really It doesn't really bother me What about an altitude If you have to fight it like Denver I've never fought in the high altitude before Wow But I mean That would be a wild place to watch some fucking fly weights Oh geez man I wonder Because heavy weights in Denver are crazy Like every time you have a heavyweight fight in Denver.

[1387] It's like these poor fucking guys just got drugged and pushed into a cage.

[1388] You're going to fucking dart in your neck, man. People don't understand, man. If you've never been to Denver, that shit is up there.

[1389] That's a mile high city legit.

[1390] And the people that live there have more endurance than you.

[1391] If you get used to that too, like that's why those guys train in Albuquerque, everybody goes up a big bear.

[1392] When you get used to that shit, it makes your body like super enriched with oxygen and red blood cells.

[1393] You have all this endurance.

[1394] Well, my girlfriend outside, she lives in Reno is always in Tahoe.

[1395] Oh, so you're always up there.

[1396] And she's, I mean, she's always, she comes out here more, but, but yeah.

[1397] Do you ever go up there to train?

[1398] No, I'm going to start more because she's up there and I actually genuinely like this one.

[1399] I would think that for a guy like you, like there would be a real benefit in training in a place like Big Bear.

[1400] Well, I don't make enough money to pay for a camp, you know, and I do do CVEC, which is, I don't know if you've ever know what Ceyback is.

[1401] Explain that, though, for...

[1402] It is, let me try and be smart here a second.

[1403] Is it the tent like BJ has?

[1404] No, it would have or the sleeping bag.

[1405] It's an egg.

[1406] An egg.

[1407] An egg.

[1408] You sit in.

[1409] And you're sitting in a recliner.

[1410] And basically it's, it does the elevation, but it changes to temperature, density of air, elevation, a few different things where it makes your body at a cellular level flex and expel all the bad stuff.

[1411] And you're just ready to suck and you feel amazing.

[1412] Like you'll shoot from sea level up to 25 ,000 feet within 20 seconds and then shoot back down.

[1413] And then up and they do this rhythmic stuff to it.

[1414] And you have, you do breathing exercises.

[1415] And it, um, I mean, why am I only hearing about this for the first time right now?

[1416] I'm so excited.

[1417] I'm the, I was the first real fighter to start doing it.

[1418] And now, I mean, you got a lot of guys who are doing it in Newport Beach.

[1419] I mean, yeah, this is some I've all, I, okay, it, what's it called again?

[1420] Sea back, look up, uh, meanwhile, cut to 10 months from now.

[1421] Joe Rogan caught up in, a scent, Newport Beach.

[1422] The biggest hoax ever.

[1423] I got tricked into going into a fucking egg.

[1424] Yeah, see, there's, there's, I got, totally.

[1425] Totally hoaxered.

[1426] And I love it, man. I'm sorry, so how do you say it again?

[1427] CVACC?

[1428] C -VAC, yeah.

[1429] VAC.

[1430] No, no, VAC.

[1431] And it's, I go to Ascent, Newport Beach.

[1432] And I mean, it's, I'll do 20 -minute sessions.

[1433] I'll do three of them.

[1434] And I just pound out, you know, water like this with a good, you know, 9 .5 pH or whatever while I'm in there.

[1435] And it just, I feel amazing.

[1436] And then I do breathing exercises while I'm in there.

[1437] So I'll hold my breath.

[1438] And what it does is when you shoot up an elevation, you're already full of oxygen.

[1439] And, dude, it stretches your lungs, like, there's no other way to get this feeling that I've ever, I mean, felt.

[1440] It literally stretches your lungs out and you, and then breathe again.

[1441] What's the website for it?

[1442] I'm having a hard time finding out of time.

[1443] Seaback, what?

[1444] Seaback, Newport Beach.

[1445] Just Google, yeah, Google Seaback, or Seaback, Ascent, A, C. Am I spelling it right?

[1446] S -C -A -V -A -C -C?

[1447] No, it's just a cent, yes.

[1448] What's that?

[1449] Ascent, C -VAC, Newport Beach.

[1450] Ascent C -V -V -A -C.

[1451] But am I spelling it right?

[1452] S -E -A -V -A -C?

[1453] Yeah, but no, but C -V -V -A -C is just one word.

[1454] C, the letter C. Oh, C, and then VAC, that's it.

[1455] Oh, okay.

[1456] Just letter C -V -V -E -F -E -C.

[1457] Okay.

[1458] C -V -A -C.

[1459] Okay, C -V -A -C.

[1460] That's what it is.

[1461] So it stands for something?

[1462] What does it stand for?

[1463] I have no idea.

[1464] A -S -C -V -V -E -V -.

[1465] but yeah i mean it's it's something that how long has it's been around for uh it's been around for a while powerful five -star review on yelp they've just uh yelp's amazing they've just started to really cater towards athletes mortito goes i've been going for a while now well wow so what is the process how does the uh how is the actual thing you go into your body you go in and you sit in the pod and then as it as you you build up there's different levels um the defluxations in the pressure the temperature, the elevation, you know, the density of the air.

[1466] It just makes your body just heal faster.

[1467] You get rid of swelling.

[1468] I mean, it has a list of stuff.

[1469] I mean, you read on there what it does.

[1470] I can't really put my finger on it.

[1471] It just makes me feel amazing.

[1472] It makes my cardio go through the roof.

[1473] Sounds like one of those magnet bracelets, son.

[1474] Hop on.

[1475] Check it out.

[1476] Cycle variations in adaptive conditioning.

[1477] Okay, that's what they're calling it.

[1478] Building the super athlete men's journal .com and it's in in this it works for me i believe you dude i'm only fucking with you come on much respect i'm just joking um but what they're saying is this uh this this this this is called the power of it's an article that's in uh men's journal magazine and the article is building the new super athlete and the first sentence is the power of the pod and it says heather hinnaker owns and runs what could be considered a gym of the future in newport beach California.

[1479] The machine does all the work at her ascent facility.

[1480] The training consists of showing up and settling into one of her three stationary CVAC pods for a 20 -minute session.

[1481] The air pressure inside will yo -yo between sea level and about 22 ,500 feet with 200 to 400 pressure changes in between.

[1482] When you hit maximum altitude, or rather the air pressure equivalent, you take a rapid nose dive back to earth akin to racing up to the top of the Anca Gagua.

[1483] I don't know what that is.

[1484] Anko -A -C -O -N -C -A -G -U -A.

[1485] Why did you have to be so obscure, crazy person?

[1486] You couldn't say Everest.

[1487] Heather.

[1488] Fuckhead.

[1489] Heather.

[1490] Cheap it together.

[1491] And jumping off.

[1492] The 36 -year -old Hinkler said that the pod is the only thing that has kept her rhomboid arthritis at bay and that she left her job in finance, sank her life -saving into this and saw her business nearly go under until words started spreading around.

[1493] The California jac grapevine.

[1494] Dude, welcome to the California Jop Grapevine.

[1495] You're part of it.

[1496] Wow.

[1497] You're in the California Jock Grapevine.

[1498] I don't know if that's good or not.

[1499] It's a tricky one, right?

[1500] When somebody calls you a jock.

[1501] Yeah.

[1502] She says the majority of her clients are professionals, athletes, and the first thing it says, UFC fighters.

[1503] And it says, Major League Baseball Player and Dirty Comedian, I'm coming.

[1504] I'll go there.

[1505] I'll try that shit.

[1506] Come on down.

[1507] How many times you go?

[1508] A week.

[1509] Three days a week.

[1510] It's death to get down there, though.

[1511] Yeah.

[1512] Well, and supposedly it cures Maneers, and I kept telling Dana, you got to come try it.

[1513] You got to come try it.

[1514] I had vertigo for like six months in my life a while back.

[1515] Cures Maneers.

[1516] How's it Cure Meneers?

[1517] Again, I don't know.

[1518] I didn't build it.

[1519] Is it a bracelet with a rubber band and a magnet under its fun?

[1520] I told them to just give it a shot.

[1521] It makes me feel better, so.

[1522] Well, it sounds like there's something happening.

[1523] Yeah.

[1524] It's not like, it sounds like also it's getting a lot of people that are excited about.

[1525] it.

[1526] Yeah, because now finally people are starting to see it, and they're starting to see the results.

[1527] Although I do have to say, we're talking about Shane Carlin.

[1528] Much respect to Shane Carwin, much love to Shane Carwin, big Shane Carwin fan as a human being and as a fighter.

[1529] But that motherfucker was trying to tell me that a rubber band work for him.

[1530] He had a rubber band with a magnet on who's telling me that it's really helping my balance.

[1531] I'm like, that's shame.

[1532] Nothing.

[1533] That's in your head.

[1534] Those guys, the guys who have been in power balance are...

[1535] Oh, those guys are so crazy.

[1536] They're from my area.

[1537] There's a bunch of them now, right?

[1538] Yeah, but I'm saying power balance, that company at least was done by my house.

[1539] Did they get in jail?

[1540] Did they have to go to jail?

[1541] Oh, I don't think so.

[1542] Did they get away?

[1543] I mean, I know there was some, like, crazy lawsuits.

[1544] Whether it was them or someone else.

[1545] I think they just had to give money or they had to stop doing something.

[1546] I know I went under, but they made it a lot of money while they could.

[1547] Well, if you sold something that gave you the kind of confidence that made you believe that, I mean, is that a product?

[1548] Because if you got all those fucking positive, you know, you look at like, those stupid rubber band things, man, So many people were telling me how great they were.

[1549] Oh, I wore them just to wear it, just to wear it so people, so for one, I could try and get a sponsorship out of it.

[1550] Oh, there you go.

[1551] That's smart.

[1552] I didn't, I thought it was bullshit, but if it did actually help, because everybody else had them on, I was wearing it.

[1553] You know, the only reason why I was willing to believe, look, I've been willing to believe a lot of dumb shit in my life.

[1554] Psychics and fucking tarot card readers.

[1555] And I've been willing to believe a lot of stupid shit.

[1556] But the reason why I didn't believe in this one, when it got down to it, was that the dude who was trying to demonstrate it on me. He was trying to do carnival tricks.

[1557] Yeah, he was like, put your arm out like this.

[1558] Now resist.

[1559] Okay, now I'm going to put the bracelet on now, you.

[1560] And put your arm out like this and resist.

[1561] I'm like, that's not the same position.

[1562] Like, we were up here.

[1563] Let's go, bring my arm back to here.

[1564] Okay, we're back here again.

[1565] Go ahead.

[1566] No, you weren't there before.

[1567] Yes, I was.

[1568] Like, what are you doing?

[1569] Yeah.

[1570] Like, you guys are playing a carnival.

[1571] They were doing leverage tricks.

[1572] Exactly.

[1573] Like, trying to, like, get me to pick him up with my hand.

[1574] I'm like, what are we doing?

[1575] Like, you're holding your hand next to your waist to try to prove strength.

[1576] there's one way to prove strength stupid put some weights on a stack and let's see if I can lift the same amount or less or more or whatever that's the only way you can't do a carnival trick so I go what are you guys doing like who taught you how to do this I go is this like do they teach you and then they got like real weird with me and I was like this come on man you're trying to make some money I've seen people trying to make some money before but did they teach you how to do this I'm like because this is the second person that I've ever met that has these wristbands for sale that wants to thumb wrestle they want to like get you in some weird mercy position.

[1577] Okay, we'll try and lift me up now.

[1578] It's like, well, I don't know.

[1579] What?

[1580] It was ridiculous.

[1581] Yeah.

[1582] And the guy wasn't even that good at it.

[1583] You know, I resisted it.

[1584] Like, I'm like, come on, man. You're not even doing it right.

[1585] At least do it right if you're gonna try and sell me the scrap.

[1586] It's one of those things where people want to believe that there's a rubber band that you could put on that makes you feel better.

[1587] Yeah.

[1588] Like, slap that bitch on.

[1589] I'm going to be ripped and good looking.

[1590] This rubber band is straightened in my chakras.

[1591] My chakras were out of line.

[1592] I didn't know what it was.

[1593] I was taking yoga.

[1594] It was really a waste of time.

[1595] I just needed a rubber band with a little hallgram in the middle of it.

[1596] Put me back in center, in tune.

[1597] So how long you've been doing this three times a week thing in the CVAC pod?

[1598] Oh, man, since before I got in UFC?

[1599] By the way, this is not sponsored by CVAC.

[1600] Right now, people are going, oh, I see product placement.

[1601] You worked your friends.

[1602] No, this is spontaneous.

[1603] I'm going to bring Joe down to try it out.

[1604] I'd love to, except I can't get down there without a helicopter.

[1605] Yeah, because it takes forever.

[1606] Oh, I'll just quit.

[1607] I'll just pull over the side road and go asleep.

[1608] Driving down to Newport Beach is a...

[1609] People don't know.

[1610] It's a joke.

[1611] Yeah, it sucks.

[1612] I went to visit...

[1613] Yeah, I went down to Affliction.

[1614] And back when Tom was working there.

[1615] And I went to visit him.

[1616] I said, yeah, man, I'll come visit you, come hang out.

[1617] Yeah.

[1618] It took two hours.

[1619] Yeah.

[1620] Two hours.

[1621] That's not even Orange County.

[1622] Seal Beach is still...

[1623] L .A. County, I think.

[1624] 40 -minute drive.

[1625] I mean, it should have been a 40 -minute drive.

[1626] at most and I was like this is just ridiculous and they do that every day and it wasn't even like it was an off time it was like three in the afternoon or two in the afternoon it wasn't even my dad drove from my family dealership in downtown LA next to staple center the tow dealership it's my families he would drive from there down to lagoon in the gale and then to san clemeni after we moved to san clemeni on the beach for 30 years there were some really fucking long time how old were you when you moved you lived on the beach like right on the beach yeah like that it you Yeah, like I walk out my balcony and I could, you know, it could be two in the morning.

[1627] I could grab a group of people and run and jump in the water naked and run back in the house without getting caught.

[1628] Wow.

[1629] How old were you then when you guys moved to the beach?

[1630] We moved there when I was 16 or 17, I believe.

[1631] Did you find in any way that that had a change in your demeanor at all, like being by the water?

[1632] No, because I already had lived in the gun and to go like a couple miles from the beach.

[1633] I was at the beach.

[1634] That's where our whole little fight crew came from was Salt Creek Beach.

[1635] And Dana Point was that was our beach.

[1636] Like, what are you doing at our beach?

[1637] Like, beat it.

[1638] You know, beat it, Kook.

[1639] Like, we had a bunch of pro -surfing friends and bodyboarded friends.

[1640] And you would just bully people and kick them off the beach?

[1641] And throw water balloons, you know, and like, it was so bad about it now?

[1642] It would always, not really.

[1643] It was kind of fun.

[1644] It was supposed to say yes.

[1645] It was our beach, though.

[1646] It was different, you know?

[1647] That's so douchey, though.

[1648] People would just want to use the ocean, man. The fuck, that was our beach.

[1649] It was the big deal.

[1650] We were such, we were such douchebats.

[1651] What I mean is there a difference in being by the water all the time and living at the water?

[1652] Yes.

[1653] I've always wondered.

[1654] For me there is.

[1655] I have a friend who has a beach house.

[1656] And it costs like $4 million.

[1657] And it looks like it should be like $50.

[1658] It's fucking crazy.

[1659] I was like, this is not a $4 million house, man. And you're right next door to the neighbor.

[1660] Like this is the nuttiest thing ever.

[1661] Like how the fuck did somebody get you to pay $4 million for this?

[1662] Yeah.

[1663] You could have like a castle in Colorado.

[1664] Yes, exactly.

[1665] You could have 100 acres with elk wandering through your.

[1666] yard instead you're jammed up on your neighbor yeah but he was like it doesn't matter when you get up and you see the ocean you look out you when you see the ocean he goes i'm on vacation every day in my life yeah he goes i look out there i hear that water and it just chills me out yeah for sleep the water i mean my dad's a waterman he his whole life has revolved around you know surfing and fishing and traveling that's like his passions you know um the man fish fear my dad you know he's he's spearfishing any sort of fishing.

[1667] Spear fishing some wild shit, man. Yeah, he's a...

[1668] My friend Aubrey, the CEO of Onet, just got back from doing some spearfishing.

[1669] And he was saying, it's like hunting underwater while you hold your breath.

[1670] It's such a different thing.

[1671] Yeah, and there's a lot more creatures that want to eat you.

[1672] You know, sharks come soon up next to you, but like, you know, like living on the beach as a senior in high school, you know, he was never home.

[1673] My parents had gotten divorced at that point.

[1674] I had his brand new car to drive, brand new Porsche to drive around.

[1675] Oh my God.

[1676] and he let you drive a Porsche when you were in high school no no I would I just do you know many people right now I just know he didn't know I but he found out I was driving it but I was like an evil character in a fucking teeny bopper movie I was a horrible kid I mean think about it like if there was like a 16 candles type movie I would be like the ultimate bad character but then you know what there'd probably be a girl in the movie and you'd fall in love with her and you would change for her so that's what's happening right now yeah yeah that's what it'd be like if you if that just think about you driving your dad's Porsche around living in the fucking beach and shit and kicking guys asses like what a dick constantly and it my dad would bring he would go kill fish you know big tuna whatever out of Mexico and come back with whole fish whole tuna and just literally we would eat you don't get any fresher than that I mean he's cutting up he's gutting it and then giving you sushi out like is amazing I've never done any tuna fishing but my friend Tommy did and he said they ate tuna sashimi on the boat he said it's the most ridiculous thing You can't even believe how good it tastes.

[1677] It's a different, it's a whole different world.

[1678] And, I mean, tuna, it's a fucking torpedo of muscle.

[1679] I mean, that's the best fighting fish in the ocean.

[1680] Yeah.

[1681] You know, tuna albacore like that, those, those, those, those jacks, you know, maybe like a yellow tail, but tuna's the best.

[1682] But, um, and they're also the best eating, I think, you know.

[1683] I mean, gerado's fun, they're pretty, but, you know, or sailfish, you know, there's a fun pretty, but, I mean, tuna's, you know.

[1684] It's unbelievably delicious.

[1685] Especially, it's, it's so delicious that it's preferred raw.

[1686] Yeah, exactly.

[1687] I mean, tuna's preferred raw more than anything.

[1688] The Japanese had paid over a million dollars for one fish.

[1689] That's so crazy!

[1690] I love sushi.

[1691] How's that possible?

[1692] How's that possible?

[1693] You sure that's true?

[1694] Did you make that out?

[1695] No, you can Google that shit.

[1696] You can Googleize it.

[1697] Listen, this is at least 50 people listening to this.

[1698] I have to be really careful about telling the truth.

[1699] All right.

[1700] Largest amount paid for a tuna.

[1701] Yeah.

[1702] But they regularly get like $30 ,000, $40 ,000 for a tuna that's right?

[1703] All the time.

[1704] If you go out of Nova Scotia from my dad has told me, you go out of Nova Scotia on a tree.

[1705] and everyone pays, you know, for, you know, this couple -day trips.

[1706] Oh, my God, you were wrong!

[1707] You ready for this?

[1708] 1 .8 million!

[1709] Oh, well, fuck me running.

[1710] That's insane!

[1711] That's for a fish.

[1712] What did it weigh?

[1713] Depleted bluefin tuna sold for $1 .8 million.

[1714] What does that mean?

[1715] That just means that they're trying to get them endangered because they're...

[1716] 500 -pound, a moderate -sized 500 -pound bluefin tuna sold for an unimaginable price of nearly $1 .8 million U .S. dollars.

[1717] a new record at a Tokyo fish auction.

[1718] Yeah.

[1719] Okay, so that must be because the supply is way down.

[1720] Oh, yeah.

[1721] It's because we need to stop.

[1722] I mean, as much as I love bluefin tuna, we need to farm it and we need to let it rebuild in the fucking, if we ever want to fish it again.

[1723] Because...

[1724] Okay, but hold on, there's some fuckery here.

[1725] It's saying supposedly the high price is paid at the annual New Year's tuna's auction.

[1726] Tuna auction in Tokyo are a way to celebrate.

[1727] more likely is about publicity and do not reflect actual market price.

[1728] Nevertheless, the continued increasing price buyers are paying for bluefin tuna mirrors its increasing rarity.

[1729] Okay, so this is a really unusual circumstance for this.

[1730] It's probably fuckery.

[1731] Yeah, they probably did that just so people are paying attention.

[1732] Yeah, there could be some crazy yakuza shit going on.

[1733] The old price was pretty high anyway, though.

[1734] The old record was $740 ,000.

[1735] Yeah.

[1736] Holy fucking shit.

[1737] And that wasn't even supposedly fucked with that's supposedly a real record that's what's the biggest those things get it's gonna be a thousand pounds i think gotta be okay let's find out world record tuna i'm scared now i'm thinking of catching it could you imagine there's us you're in for a fucking fight son yeah i think's gonna rip your arms off i mean that is a thousand pound ball or whatever but however many pounds it is a ball of muscle that just wants to eat and i mean those things could eat us biggest fish i ever caught was a marlin and uh it was not big it was only about 70 pounds but it was my oldest daughter was a vegetarian a little bit she's trying to be a vegetarian and i was uh you know she's just a kind person yeah and at the time i think she's like probably 12 makes sense yeah about 12 and i say you know what let's let's go fishing i said we'll catch a fish we'll cook it we'll eat it and we'll understand sort of the cycle of life because you know we buy things in the supermarket and we're very disconnected from it but you have to understand like these animals they eat each other and this is like it's a natural way with people to acquire food and it's way people have done it throughout history but she tried to be like this really kind person so it was a moral reason like she didn't want to hurt animals she loves animals so anyway we're fishing we're fishing for maybe 15 minutes and I hook a marlin maybe 15 minutes that's unheard of like people fish for years and they never catch a marlin it's total stupid luck because we're trolling it's not like no skill whatsoever it just happened to hit my line So, we get this, Marlin, it's jumping through the air.

[1738] It's wild, man. It's really cool.

[1739] It's not that big.

[1740] It's only like 70 pounds.

[1741] You know, maybe, yeah, maybe, I don't know how many feet long.

[1742] But it's about, the guy said it was about 70 feet long.

[1743] They get hundreds, over a thousand, I think.

[1744] Well, this fucking thing, they pull it, they gaff it.

[1745] They bring it in the boat, and then they beat the fucking shit out of it with a club.

[1746] Yes.

[1747] And the way it works, we're in Hawaii.

[1748] in Hawaii the owners of the boat they own the fish like if you catch fish they'll take you and you'll enjoy it but it's also their livelihood it's how they make a living so it's like it's a different sort of a situation than a lot of charters it's like they want you to have a good time but we know you're in a resort and this is our livelihood and we would like the food too is that cool and everybody's like yeah it's cool because otherwise like sometimes the food would go to waste and that's terrible and I think they recognize that really early and they put the kabash on it and they said look people are just trying to have some fun Let's have them have some fun, catch some fish, but we'll eat the fish.

[1749] So they were going to take it, and apparently they bring it to a luau, and they smoke the marlin.

[1750] And my poor little 12 girl, there's just sitting there, while this marlin gets clubbed.

[1751] Whomp!

[1752] And it's a big animal.

[1753] I mean, it's in a boat with us, and it's a fairly big boat.

[1754] A beautiful animal, that once you kill it, the color goes away.

[1755] Yeah, and it's the size of a dog.

[1756] Yeah, exactly.

[1757] It's like a golden retriever size.

[1758] Yeah, exactly.

[1759] They're beating it with clubs, and it's real, man. It's real shit.

[1760] And when you're a 12 year old girl Wanted to be a vegetarian That's like that's a fucked up thing to see It didn't die right away either man It was flopping around They had ice on it And it did like it was fine It wasn't moving at all And then I saw out of nowhere It just fuffa fuffa fuffa fuffa fop It was devastating Devastating And we didn't catch another fucking thing For the rest of the trip We caught this one Marlin And then the rest of the day It was just looking down At this murder victim Who's in the boat with us Yeah just sitting there dead And then afterwards Taking photos together And it's like really weird look on her face with this fucking murder victim that we just clubbed to death we didn't club to death but we ate it and abetted yeah tricked it into the boat but they're uh apparently you can't eat marlin like I didn't know I didn't know you can't eat them but apparently you can what is the size of that one 920 pound tuna caught last week oh my god look at that thing oh I hope my dad's watching this what a fuck and they have to attach it to a fucking crane ladies and gentlemen to get it out of the water, they hook it up to a crane.

[1761] I love killing fish, man. Killing fish is a good time.

[1762] Well, if you grew up near the ocean, look at the size of this fucking thing.

[1763] Oh my God, that's a tuna.

[1764] That's incredible.

[1765] What a big animal.

[1766] Jesus.

[1767] I mean, think of the speed.

[1768] Those things get so big, they die off because they can't get enough food.

[1769] That's incredible.

[1770] They just eat and eat and eat.

[1771] That's their whole life to spend hunting.

[1772] I mean, they are, like, you know, vicious.

[1773] What is the biggest one ever?

[1774] I have no idea.

[1775] Oh, we've got to find out now.

[1776] Biggest, biggest tuna ever caught.

[1777] It's got to be, that one was, what, 900 and what?

[1778] It's got to be maybe 12, 1 ,300 pounds, I would think.

[1779] Let's say, world record tuna weight.

[1780] They're so cool looking, too, man. Do you imagine if there was, like, tuna that had four legs and would run down a field looking like that, glistening and blue and just running like a bullet fucking up every other animal on its path a pack hunting just eating lions and shit could you imagine if a fucking tuna could run on ground as fast as it could swim that's frightening I yeah I always think a weird shit like that like about the fucking like what if parrots were the size and they walked on all fours like dogs and I'm afraid of birds in general because they always hate me but you should be afraid of birds birds are cunts they're evil man Yeah, they're vicious killers.

[1781] Yeah, they fucking are, man. They're creepy.

[1782] They're creepy animals.

[1783] You know, they don't really give a fuck about anything.

[1784] I mean, they're in a real survival of the fittest gene pool situation.

[1785] Yeah, you know?

[1786] Birds are just fucking, we're just lucky that they're not that big.

[1787] Imagine birds who like the size of giraffes.

[1788] If eagles like the size of giraffes, they would be eating people all day.

[1789] There's nothing we could do to stop them.

[1790] We'd have to kill them all.

[1791] And it sounds like a ridiculous thing to say.

[1792] Imagine the world of tuna could run.

[1793] Imagine the world of eagles of the size of giraffes.

[1794] Well, guess what, asshole?

[1795] A giraffe's the size of a giraffe.

[1796] Okay?

[1797] There are animals that are that big.

[1798] We're just lucky they don't eat people.

[1799] Exactly.

[1800] We're lucky.

[1801] They're not against us.

[1802] We probably would have never got to this place if they did.

[1803] I don't know.

[1804] We're kind of tricky.

[1805] We've seemed to con our way this far.

[1806] I really don't think it would have happened.

[1807] I think we came along.

[1808] We were like boxes that became heavyweights after Mike Tyson.

[1809] and lost his prime.

[1810] We're like finding a gap.

[1811] We're like falling into this like relaxed period.

[1812] Just tiptoed our way through evolution.

[1813] It was way easier to survive after those dinosaurs got hit by that rock.

[1814] You know?

[1815] After Buster Douglas came along and D -Trow and Tyson, the world got a little safer.

[1816] You know, back in those days?

[1817] I cried myself in sleeping that happened.

[1818] It was a weird thing to see because I watched it after the fact.

[1819] I didn't see the fight live.

[1820] I had heard what happened and I still didn't believe it happened.

[1821] I was watching it.

[1822] I was like, he's going to get up, he's going to kick his ass.

[1823] that's Mike Tyson.

[1824] Me and my brother both literally cried.

[1825] I turned around, I cried like bawling to our parents.

[1826] Like, why?

[1827] Why?

[1828] How did that happen?

[1829] I can remember the last time I got emotionally attached to a fight and I was devastated when a fighter lost.

[1830] It was Mike McCallum when he knocked out Donald Curry.

[1831] I was a big Donald Curry fan.

[1832] Donald Curry was the welterweight champion at the time.

[1833] Donald McCown, I think they went up to 154.

[1834] Donald Curry like ruined his career because he kept cutting weight down to 147 and he couldn't do it anymore.

[1835] He couldn't do it anymore.

[1836] He had those fights with, not McCown, but who was the other, there was another really strong, well -to -weight, a Kronk fighter from that era, and he'd knock that dude out, and Donald Curry emerged, it's like the top pound -for -pound guy, but then he fought Lloyd Huntington.

[1837] And he was just too dehydrated.

[1838] He couldn't fucking do it anymore.

[1839] It just wasn't the same guy.

[1840] And everybody's like, that's the top pound -for -pound fighter, and that one beating to Lloyd Huntington never was the same again.

[1841] He went up to 154, and then he didn't have the physical advantages that you had at 47 and when you see the UFC and you see like that this is especially in uh higher weight classes there's a big gaps huge in between the weight classes what would you like it how would you if you if someone could like allow you to create the optimum weight divisions what do you think it would be i mean you see you just don't want too many you know but i think there would be we would really figure out who is pound for pound the best you know but at the same time maybe 10 pounds because boxing there's so many champions you just gets you know it gets diluted yeah and boxing as a sport in general is well boxing has a bunch of different sanctioning bunch too that's where it gets really weird it's almost weirder there because of that than it is because of the amount of weight classes yeah it's it's a it's a it's a it's a it's a it's a all of it's just all of a cluster fuck you know yeah people don't realize how many weight classes there are in boxing but it's crazy they start at like 106 right isn't it what's like light flyweight it's got to be something I started like really light and they go all the way up to 195 and then heavyweight and that's the deviation.

[1842] Like the USC, the only gap they have that's more interesting is the 205 to 265.

[1843] Yeah, that's where they need to put at least I think a weight class.

[1844] Yeah.

[1845] A 240 or something.

[1846] And I think also in between 85 and 205 would be good.

[1847] I think so yeah, I could see that because you know, just make it every 10 pounds.

[1848] I think so too.

[1849] I think so too and I think that a big example of that is between 55 and 170.

[1850] That's, especially is you get low in percentage of body weight.

[1851] That's those jumps, between that one and the 185 to the light heavy weight.

[1852] Those are big jumps, man. Yeah, 15 pounds is a lot of person.

[1853] Yeah.

[1854] And it's also, you're seeing these guys who are making these cuts to get to 205.

[1855] See, like, a guy like John Jones, he's coming down from like 225, 230, like, big as shit at 205.

[1856] And if you're, like, kind of like, don't want to cut weight, but you're really a 185er and you, you know, you see him.

[1857] You go, oh, God, no, I got to lose the weight now.

[1858] Like, you got to be realistic about this.

[1859] Yeah, and especially because the way the sports have evolved, people get stuck in certain weight classes because they're good for that weight class.

[1860] And then they try and cut weight or they try and gain weight, and then they end up not having the advantages that they had before.

[1861] And they don't work on it or they don't have it at all.

[1862] They just can't get it.

[1863] So then they end up getting beat up by someone smaller or something like that.

[1864] What does it like to be a part of this sport right now for you, like, as a top -level professional fighter?

[1865] Because it's a really interesting time as far as the sport.

[1866] Like, it's evolved to this point where there's clearly, like, the best athletes that have ever been involved in MMA or involved in MMA now.

[1867] And the level of fighting and competition is as high as it's ever been before now.

[1868] Oh, by far.

[1869] But you've had a chance to see it from the outside for a long -ass time.

[1870] Like, what is it like for you now?

[1871] You know, the evolution of the people, of the fighters, I think as a country, I think we're getting pusified, you know, kids aren't allowed to get in fist fights.

[1872] I think it's a right of passage for young men to get in fist fights, you know, and not jump each other, don't talk, no weapons, just, you know, just duke it out and deal with your problems.

[1873] Some people don't want to do that, though, and they don't want to be harassed by people who want to beat people out.

[1874] If they don't want to, they shouldn't have to.

[1875] Right.

[1876] But how do you stop that, though?

[1877] Exactly.

[1878] I don't know.

[1879] But that's not, but I'm just saying, but we're building better athletes in the gym.

[1880] but we have to now now I which I get as a good thing we if we want to build a tough kid if we want to make him tough we'll build him in the gym right and that maybe you know that that is a good thing because not only is he going to be tough but he's not going to be a dick like I used to be right yeah you know because like I said I started out beating up bullies and then I ended up just being a bully you know I'm glad you're really honest about that man I think it's really important because I think you know there's a lot of kids out there that or fighting that watch a guy like you and look up to you and maybe they might be on a similar path and they hear that and they can learn from your mistakes yeah i've made just about every mistake there is you know whether it's that or dying of dine of drugs you know drug overdose or whatever or whatever i've done a lot of things and it's just it's there's so many things that i feel like i can share um and it do i can help one person change it'll work you know a little obviously i'd like to help as many as possible but um you know just try and you know Especially the people that are closest to me. Like, we got some amateur guys that I'm trying to just turn into super athletes.

[1881] And they already are, but just get them focused and ready and not make any mistakes.

[1882] It's very difficult for a fighter to transition from being a fighter to, like, mainstream life, to going back to being, like, a regular person with a regular job who, you know, doesn't have those big crazy thrills every few months.

[1883] Yeah.

[1884] You know, you just have sort of like this weird, steady drip of, of, of, of, of, of, of, you know, life juice instead of this wild roller coaster rush that everybody knows you can only stay on for so long but the thing that I always try to stress with people is that like one of the best things about martial arts is the development of the ability to do something good to be good at something and know what it's like to be good at something and then from there you knew how hard it was to get good you didn't start out good you started out shitty but you got better and you got better and you get that understanding of that is so important for everything.

[1885] Don't look at like the finish line and go I'm never going to get there look at progress and you can get anywhere as long as there's not some crazy physical limitation yeah that that's what i tell people because they always turn to me for rehab stories you know drug stories or whatever because i've been to two rehabs and whatnot how old are you 29 how old were you when you went to your first rehab oh it was 19 i think wow what was it for um i got caught with with some pills and then uh i was a pill guy um and then it was just through the court I had to check in and I got kicked out of some like class things and they put me in like a outpatient rehab program and then I ended up um the second one was you know before in between WBC and Tachi when I you know became world champ um I got in trouble you know got arrested was looking at probably going to prison for you know like three to five for just doing some dumbshay and I had I had a record so me doing anything bad would put me in you know in prison so I check myself into rehab and they were like oh good job little buddy you know pat on the head you can stay there for six months and it was a live in and and at first it was just escape just a scapegoat for me not to go to prison but then it actually helped you know the people there help me the program helped me actually getting getting my uh just to just help me get my life together you know i had to be sober you know and i stayed sober for a long time you know and it was it was it was it was good for me you know it did i it actually gave me some perspective on life because i was just such a mess for so long But isn't it crazy to be a guy who's such a mess and is wild and with like this really self -destructive style of living, especially with regards to drugs and your body?

[1886] But you're a professional athlete, a high -level professional athlete.

[1887] I don't know how it worked for so long.

[1888] Yeah.

[1889] How the fuck did it work for so long?

[1890] I don't know.

[1891] Really?

[1892] I mean, I'm like a cockroach or something.

[1893] There's something inherently, I don't know if it's right or wrong.

[1894] I hope nobody tries to imitate it.

[1895] Yeah, do not do not do what I've done.

[1896] Yeah, learn.

[1897] Learn from that.

[1898] do that i'm a walking mistake go to the gym bitch exactly if if i would have spent those extra i mean hours that i was doing stupid things i believe me i've i've done calculations to everything i could have put in that that because they say it's 10 000 hours to master something you know right so i could have put an extra 10 000 hours into jitsu an extra 10 000 into kickboxing an extra 10 000 into wrestling if i would have done that because i've been training for that long i could have fit that in there I would be, I would make everyone else look silly.

[1899] Well, don't you think, though, that there's something about you that is the way you are because of the adversity that you've gone through?

[1900] Of course.

[1901] I wouldn't change the thing.

[1902] I'm just saying that.

[1903] Right, but isn't that weird?

[1904] It is weird, yeah.

[1905] You know, I just like, I would be the motherfucker of motherfuckers, but I'd be a choir boy.

[1906] I'd probably go crazy from that because I wasn't doing anything nuts.

[1907] Yeah, I would, yeah.

[1908] And then this, this beast would show up now, and it would just blow it all.

[1909] That happens to a lot of guys, too, right?

[1910] They get it, instead of on the way up, They get it once they get up.

[1911] They get there and they're like, oh, this is too much fun.

[1912] Should have never given you money.

[1913] Yeah, there's a lot of those dudes out there.

[1914] They should have never given you money, dudes.

[1915] Especially crazy, wild, impulsive athletes and fighters.

[1916] Like the Tyson stories of the most...

[1917] The dude got tigers.

[1918] He had his own tigers.

[1919] He had like the most legendary stories of spending money.

[1920] $200 million.

[1921] Have you seen his show that he does?

[1922] No, oh, his stand -up show?

[1923] His one -man show.

[1924] No, I heard it's awesome.

[1925] I heard it's incredible.

[1926] Yeah, I really want to see it.

[1927] Dana White called me up after he goes, dude, it's one of the greatest things I've ever seen in my life.

[1928] He goes, it's fucking amazing.

[1929] He goes, Spike Lee, I guess, directed it.

[1930] Is that what happened?

[1931] And they just, they put it together.

[1932] It's a fucking show.

[1933] Yeah.

[1934] And it's really entertaining.

[1935] It's just him, isn't it?

[1936] Yeah.

[1937] He puts up a number.

[1938] It's whether it's $200 or $300 million.

[1939] Yeah.

[1940] Puts up a number on the thing.

[1941] And it's like this giant screen.

[1942] He goes, that's how much I lost.

[1943] $300 million or $200 million or whatever it was.

[1944] Something's $100 million, whatever.

[1945] So it's a insane amount of money.

[1946] He just spent it.

[1947] He just spent it.

[1948] Remember when he bought a Bentley and crashed it and then gave it to the cop?

[1949] Yeah.

[1950] Like, take it if it's all scratched up.

[1951] I'm like, not interested.

[1952] It's a piece of shit now.

[1953] I don't even want it.

[1954] Here you have it.

[1955] He's going to cost me a hundred going to fix.

[1956] He used to wear furs and shit.

[1957] He used to walk around like Jack Dempsey style.

[1958] With the hat.

[1959] Yeah, like Jack Johnson.

[1960] When Jack Johnson was a heavyweight champ and was hanging out with all these white chicks, nobody did it.

[1961] They were trying to make those lives.

[1962] so he couldn't show the state lines.

[1963] Dude, people don't even know.

[1964] Have you ever seen, was it unforgivable blackness?

[1965] Is that what the documentary is called?

[1966] What is the documentary called?

[1967] I need to quote it because it's an amazing documentary.

[1968] I'll just blackness, Jack Johnson.

[1969] Boy, am I going to jail if they fucking do a Google search on my shit.

[1970] Yeah, I don't remember who made it.

[1971] I want to say it was Ken Burns.

[1972] Because, you know, he does a lot of those.

[1973] Unforgivable blackness.

[1974] that's what it's called is it Ken Burns I don't know if I saw it on Netflix or TV but I saw it pretty recently oh it's amazing it's amazing it's incredible I mean you got people don't realize what a bad motherfucker this guy was and what incredible racism he encountered like the racism that fighters encountered today or people encountered today like here's a perfect example the recent thing with Oprah Winfrey do you know about this thing it's you know they should have done it she went to a store in Switzerland or some shit is that where it was yeah and um she there was a purse it was a very expensive purse yeah and she asked to see it and the store clerk said oh you can't afford that purse you don't even want to look at it we should you should look at something less money and Oprah was like oh shit really okay that's the kind of racism yeah that Oprah has to experience in 2013 with Jack Johnson experience is like it's like to these people they wanted him They wanted him dead.

[1975] And slavery had just ended, like, inside of their lifetime, 1865.

[1976] So you're dealing with just a few decades later.

[1977] And all of a sudden, there's this dude just knocking white dudes senseless and taking these white chicks and impaling them on this fucking super dick, the likes of which white women had never seen before.

[1978] And they were just following him around and falling out of his car while he's driving down the street.

[1979] I mean, he was like the first black guy ever with a dope.

[1980] car.

[1981] Exactly.

[1982] Across that border and just kill it.

[1983] And he just did it like, fuck you.

[1984] What are you going to do about it?

[1985] He would take them across state lines.

[1986] They would try to get them for all kinds of shit.

[1987] Transporting white women across dirt lines that they drew.

[1988] The government was after you.

[1989] For sleeping with white women.

[1990] Yeah.

[1991] You're winning, sir.

[1992] It's a sad, sad movie.

[1993] And then at the end, when he throws a fight, you know, you could tell he throws a fight.

[1994] I wasn't, no, wasn't Jess Willard.

[1995] Who was it that he froze?

[1996] I don't remember.

[1997] I don't remember.

[1998] But I don't want to tell you, in fact, even if I remember you should watch it go get it's it's an amazing documentary and it's just you see like like those old jack johnson fights or um you see um jack dempsey's old fights like boy you're dealing with a totally different kind of human being back then it was a lot different there were animals yeah they they're they're they're i think we're slowly losing that that that piece of us yeah you know with whatever whatever is it that's everything everything is taking it away from us but we're slowly losing that killer instinct.

[1999] Well, you know, it's funny that Tyson latched on to Jack Dempsey.

[2000] Jack Dempsey was one of his main heroes and his main idols for that style of fighting.

[2001] They're just ferocious, mauling style.

[2002] You know, and Tyson sort of recognized that he was a throwback.

[2003] I mean, you think about that in the 80s, and then you look at like, Jack Dempsey was doing it when there was no TVs.

[2004] You know?

[2005] They found out about fights from the radio.

[2006] Yeah, he was doing that exact thing that long ago.

[2007] You were either there in person or you were listening to guys talk Jack Dempsey with a left Jack Dempsey he's down and it's I mean I guess yeah I guess it was it was all word of mouth you know it was all back then it had to have been did you see that a photo that somebody posted on the underground the other day of a fight from 1913 did you see that shit I don't think so with MMA or do you know that can you find it you know what it's on my Instagram if you go to my Instagram um It's a dude name Irish Roddy.

[2008] It's a boxing match.

[2009] And it's a boxing match from, you know, 1913 that they've turned into a color image.

[2010] They've processed it and made it true to life.

[2011] It's fucking incredible.

[2012] I'll pull it up here for you.

[2013] Look at this shit.

[2014] Look at that picture.

[2015] Holy shit.

[2016] Yeah, holy shit is right.

[2017] It's incredible.

[2018] That was back.

[2019] when they used to fight like 50 fucking rounds.

[2020] Yeah.

[2021] I mean, didn't they have like some crazy fights back then?

[2022] What was the most amount of rounds you think anybody ever fought back in those days?

[2023] Probably 50 or 60.

[2024] What the fuck?

[2025] I mean, those guys look like they're like on the verge of beating each other to death.

[2026] Very close.

[2027] But I've seen some UFC fights that look like that too.

[2028] Joe Stevenson and BJ Penn. The end of that fight looked like Joe Stevenson got murdered.

[2029] Yes.

[2030] You know, I mean, especially those forehead cuts.

[2031] Forehead cuts are responsible for some of the craziest, most ridiculous scenes in the Octagon.

[2032] But what did that Bigfoot Silva's manager say?

[2033] His head is well irrigated.

[2034] It's just squirting blood out of his giant noggin.

[2035] Yeah.

[2036] No shit.

[2037] That was a crazy one.

[2038] Longest boxing match ever.

[2039] Let's find out.

[2040] Match ever.

[2041] What was the longest boxing match in history?

[2042] Oh my God.

[2043] A boxing match lasted seven hours.

[2044] How many?

[2045] I can't do the math.

[2046] What the fuck is that?

[2047] Is that real?

[2048] Oh my god Listen to this The longest boxing match ever took place in New Orleans On April 6th of 1893 The match was between Andy Bowen and Jack Burke Both of whom claimed the lightweight title After the reigning champ Jack McAulful Ollafee Jack McAuliffe retired The winner of this take -all purse was set at $2 ,500 And in order to decide who is really the new champion The match was set to fought to a finish They fought to a finish I like that.

[2049] All through the contest, fighters went at each other aggressively pounding each other with their gloves, inflicting and sustaining tremendous punishment.

[2050] That read like someone wrote it with their pants off.

[2051] That red like...

[2052] Just vigorously masturbating.

[2053] Just boiled up and shaved and...

[2054] Yeah.

[2055] Three -minute rounds wore off.

[2056] Oh, my God.

[2057] They went to 111 rounds.

[2058] Both fighters, dazed and weary, gave up and did not come out of their corner.

[2059] Pussies.

[2060] Well, you can't fight a hundred and twelve round.

[2061] One more round.

[2062] There had to be one guy telling them.

[2063] Just get up Rocky and you win.

[2064] Guinness says...

[2065] All that.

[2066] What's that?

[2067] Guinness says it's 276 rounds in 1825.

[2068] Ah, but that's English people lying.

[2069] Mate.

[2070] We heard it much longer than that.

[2071] Our endurance is superior.

[2072] We have proper boxing training.

[2073] That's not a more South African.

[2074] So maybe they're right, man. I don't know.

[2075] Whoever fought over 100 rounds is the craziest fucking human being that's ever lived That fight was only four and a half hours Oh, that's weird What did they have like 30 second rounds It doesn't even make sense I can't even do the math I don't even try 2 ,500 bucks That's crazy For the welterweight championship of the world Or lightweight rather These days It's a good question It's a very good question I bet it'd be like a million bucks Yeah Isn't that weird Like when you hear about like Economies imploding And then all of a sudden Like a loaf of bread's worth a million dollars like how the fuck what does that even mean yeah i don't even understand how people have billions of dollars how does that number even a real number and can i how do you i'll pull out a billion dollars in cash let me see yeah at a certain point tom you have to admit that you you hack the game okay you hack the game somehow dude how'd you get 10 billion dollars i don't understand when you know you've got like bill gates you have a submarine inside your giant boat you're like hey what happened here what exactly what you do just where you getting all that money This isn't fair You have a scape pause in your house To jettison you to the middle of the fucking ocean Whenever fucking danger shows up Yeah you have a constant team Of security detail around you That's like having a bank You know around you all the time Bill Gates is worth What a hundred billion or something crazy like that But if it was the whole Him dropping $40 ,000 he shouldn't pick it up kind of thing Yeah that's what they say If he drops $40 ,000 it's worth more of his time To keep moving forward Than it is to turn around and pick it up Yeah, he just, what happened was he just didn't turn around to pick up the bonus I just got almost for bludgeoning another man for 15 minutes.

[2076] If he dropped that, he wouldn't pick it up.

[2077] It is crazy if you think about how much more difficult MMA is than almost every other job that you have to do physically, like besides being a soldier or a cop or a fireman, where you're really putting your life in danger on a daily basis with, fires and bullets take all those out and then ambulance driver pretty fucking dangerous there's a few race car drivers dangerous as shit but mima fighters a fucking scary one that's that's one of the most dangerous jobs you can have other than like crab fishing those fucking crazy assholes yeah but the deadliest catch guys those guys are nuts they're secluded out there for a reason are you friends with guita uh we don't talk or anybody he's a cool dude it's a great guy Clay Guida did that shit for like a year I went to like like test his metal, went out and was a fucking crabber.

[2078] Crazy.

[2079] Fuck.

[2080] He's the kind of guy who would just like, that sounds like fun.

[2081] I can make some cash cool.

[2082] Okay, I got to go.

[2083] Stop moving.

[2084] Yeah, that dude's got some endurance.

[2085] Imagine him just on the boat the whole time doing that.

[2086] I've seen him blow off more energy at a way in than I have from a real workout.

[2087] Like a real workout like today, I'm going to have some coffee, I'm going to really work out.

[2088] Meanwhile, he gets more cardio in on the way up to the scale.

[2089] And he's always fucking like super energetic where everybody else is dried out.

[2090] You know, they're cutting weight.

[2091] and Guida wasn't much bigger than 155.

[2092] He has ridiculous endurance.

[2093] Yeah, but he's just, that's one of those natural things that, he's never at rest anyways.

[2094] Yeah, he's not.

[2095] It's just, it's constant, his rest is active, so he's never going to get tired.

[2096] It's a great fucking guy too.

[2097] Yeah, and he's a cool.

[2098] Very, very fun dude to hang out with.

[2099] And he drives like he fights.

[2100] You ever drive with him?

[2101] He's awesome.

[2102] He drives, you like, all right, Clay Guida.

[2103] Close my eyes and just hold on Fucking Chicago savages Yeah It's a different breed of human Yeah those Illinois people are animals bro It's cold as fuck Those cities where it's really cold And there's a lot of people It takes a hearty motherfucker To rise above in those spots Yeah it wouldn't last I don't make it eaten alive You're like a growing up here You grew up in paradise Yeah This is the greatest weather In the history of the universe It's great but you've missed that adversity that you get from dealing with the weather, there's like a knowledge that it's out there.

[2104] Yeah, yeah.

[2105] That we don't have.

[2106] We're like, oh, it's sunny another day, whatever.

[2107] My stepdad, for instance, world -known hunter and tracker.

[2108] Like Saturday's almost 80 years old, he's this mountain of a man was in the CIA, and he's a mason, and he's just this, like, that guy, my mom, you know, met him, you know, being a chef at his wilderness hunting lodge in the middle of being.

[2109] Fee in Alaska.

[2110] Like, the guy, I've seen pictures of him with polar berry killed.

[2111] Like, he's just this big mountain man. Polar bear, holy shit.

[2112] I actually have a polar bear rug.

[2113] It's not, I don't have a house to put it in yet.

[2114] But, I mean, it's just, that's like, that guy's just weathered.

[2115] You don't eat polar bear, do you?

[2116] Do you eat it?

[2117] I don't think so.

[2118] I think he just did it to do.

[2119] But back then, he's the guy's almost 80s, so back then it was okay.

[2120] I mean, he doesn't hunt anymore.

[2121] Back then, we own black people, we shot polar bears.

[2122] Whatever, don't worry about it.

[2123] okay we drove drunk shooting in polar bears out the window of the car yeah you're you're supposed to hunt certain predator bears though they have to keep their numbers down people don't like that that idea but it does become a real problem when you have um there's like the the game wardens in these areas and the department of fishing game yeah they're very meticulous about keeping track of numbers of both animals that are prey like deer and then animals that are uh there are also predators like cats and bears and shit like that and they're pretty good at figuring out how to manage that stuff but you have to kill some of them unfortunately I understand people hate that idea because they're so beautiful and majestic but the reality of biology is that there has to be a certain balance of predator and prey because if there's not then we become in danger they are going to come fuck us out and nobody likes that idea people people that are like especially like people are animal rights people or people love animals there's a lot of people that their dogs are like their best fucking friend.

[2124] It's the only thing that they can count on for love.

[2125] You know what I mean?

[2126] That's not even a bad thing.

[2127] No, it's not a bad thing.

[2128] It's true.

[2129] So I understand where they're coming from.

[2130] Like you would think about a bear is just like a big dog.

[2131] But it's a big dog that will eat your asshole.

[2132] All right.

[2133] The thing doesn't give a shit about you.

[2134] Exactly.

[2135] It wants to eat.

[2136] Yeah.

[2137] It's a heartless monster.

[2138] And for the most part, they're harmless.

[2139] You don't go near them.

[2140] You stay away from them.

[2141] For the most part, you're right.

[2142] We're going to be fine.

[2143] But the reality is when they get to a certain number and they start taking down elk in front of people at the camp Scaring the shit at everybody.

[2144] You ever see a 12 -foot bear take out a moose?

[2145] No, I haven't either.

[2146] But there's a video.

[2147] There's a video of a bear in, I've never forgot this.

[2148] Pull this shit up, Jamie.

[2149] It's a bear eats a moose in driveway.

[2150] Dude, okay?

[2151] Just, dude.

[2152] Imagine.

[2153] Imagine you're living in Alaska, okay?

[2154] I'm 5 '8, okay?

[2155] I stood next to a moose.

[2156] They're fucking huge.

[2157] Its dick was over my head.

[2158] I mean, they're gigantic.

[2159] I went to Alaska when I was a kid.

[2160] That place is fucking beautiful.

[2161] They're gigantic.

[2162] I mean, I didn't get really close enough to a moose to get his dick over my head.

[2163] But look at this.

[2164] But this moose, which is gigantic, okay, is killed by a grizzly bear in this guy's fucking driveway.

[2165] So could you imagine there's a thing that's, oh, you know, whatever, 10 times the size of a deer.

[2166] And it gets killed by a giant wild dog.

[2167] that's essentially what a bear is a giant bulletproof wild dog moose or what like 12 feet tall they're fucking huge it's a huge animal that's not the biggest moose in the world no but it's a and it's a female it's a big fucking animal and what's really crazy about bear is bear eat moose alive they eat all the animals they kill alive a lot of times they go guts first they don't even bother killing the animal they just start eating them you look at the size of that fucking thing just ripping chunks off of this moose he's eating the guts now that's what they go for the first but they're they're just they're everywhere up there and it comes a time where the the wildlife people determine that okay the population is too high and so we have to manage this what is that where they dragged it away wow look how they dragged it away look at the size of it back that up so it puts it in perspective Oh my god Look at them dragging it away Look how big it is You don't realize how big it is Because the bear's so fucking big But when they drag it away You're like holy shit How big is that bear Now let's go back to the bear Go back to the bear Look how big the bears God damn how big is that fucking bear Oh That's a big bear dude Literally a fucking 600 pound Angry dog with bigger claws and teeth Look at the size of that thing Now that you know how big that fucking mooses in comparison to a car that bear's huge oh fuck god damn fuck living in Alaska my mom was saying when she went to go hunt a doll sheep that of course my stepdad's not going to tell her but a bear was tracking them the whole time of course yeah they the whole time and if like and like she's like oh we're wading through like thick you know brush shit and just you know I wonder why they started telling the story I was like man that's fucking frightening having something something wants to eat you it's so crazy because you can get there at the wrong place and the wrong time you can get there when there's an old bear that can't catch moose or deer anymore and they have worn out teeth and they see you and they're like oh I can catch you and then they just eat you and especially when it's late in the season they say that's when it gets really desperado well bears will eat their cubs they get really desperate because there's no food and they can't catch any fish there's no salmon left and they're starving to death And so they'll fucking eat everything in front of them.

[2168] You can catch them in that really intense desperation because they're the last animals that haven't hibernated.

[2169] The healthy fat bears.

[2170] That what...

[2171] Grizzly man?

[2172] Grizzly man. That movie was crazy.

[2173] Yes.

[2174] I talk about that every week.

[2175] I can't talk about it anymore.

[2176] Unfortunately.

[2177] I love to talk about it.

[2178] I'm just saying it was like that.

[2179] That was the exact storyline.

[2180] Yeah.

[2181] The guy stayed way too long.

[2182] He was like there in October or November or some shit like that when they're supposed to already be sleeping.

[2183] Yeah, that's a weird thing, man. To live in the presence of those crazy beings.

[2184] beasts.

[2185] My favorite shows are all these subsistence shows.

[2186] Like Alaska, the last frontier.

[2187] It's one of my favorite shows.

[2188] I get giddy like a little schoolgirl when that shit's on.

[2189] I got to watch it.

[2190] It's these people.

[2191] They live.

[2192] It's a bunch of families.

[2193] The Kitchener family.

[2194] And I believe like Jewel, you know that beautiful singer, incredible voice.

[2195] She is like related to these people.

[2196] It's fascinating.

[2197] But these folks live in like a really remote part of Alaska.

[2198] And they have a homestead where they're responsible for everything they're responsible for all their own repairs and their equipment they get all their own meat from either cows that they have to butcher because they run cattle or animals that they hunt whether they hunt bear or moose and they have like very specific chores they do and they have maybe four or five months a year where they're just trying to keep it together and then it's bundle up for the cold and their whole life is about preparing for the cold yeah and they're just fucking storing fish and every day's just a mad Gash, getting up at six, pulling nets of fish in, freezing them, smoking them.

[2199] Everybody's working around the clock, and then the fucking frost comes in.

[2200] The river freezes over the point we can drive cars on it.

[2201] It's gangster cold up there.

[2202] Well, I've got to watch that.

[2203] It's amazing.

[2204] I'm a dork for it, dude.

[2205] Well, my, you know, my mom went through it.

[2206] Your mom went through it?

[2207] Because she was living and being the chef at the hunting lodge.

[2208] God damn.

[2209] In middle of nowhere.

[2210] I mean, you know, she was living in Alaska for a while.

[2211] And obviously, Jim's, you know, I'm sure listening to this, he's old, but yeah, he was up there forever.

[2212] Wow.

[2213] You know, I mean, that's, the harsh climates are, I don't, I like Southern California way too much.

[2214] There's something amazing about the people that come from those spots, though.

[2215] They have a different, there's a different sort of like mentality that they possess.

[2216] It's for a pussy like me, it's so attractive.

[2217] It's like, wow, this guy.

[2218] That's a man right there.

[2219] He doesn't have a bank account.

[2220] He's got some beaver skins.

[2221] He's got a trade for gasoline for his fucking snowmobile and he's driving around where it's 80 below zero and he's running traps.

[2222] And that's how he feeds his kids.

[2223] This guy, there's a fucking show called Mountain Men where this guy takes a plane every winter.

[2224] He flies.

[2225] He leaves his family behind.

[2226] He flies for months and camps out in the woods.

[2227] He's got these shacks up there and he runs these trap lines and just kills animals.

[2228] In the wintertime, it's like apparently easier to kill him because they're desperado and they go and find the bait and snap down on them.

[2229] And this guy just takes it all.

[2230] and freezes them and skins them and then brings him back home he lives out there by himself for months and months at a time no phone no nothing just a woodhouse a woodhouse and a snowmobile and yeah and this party it's like could you do it could you do it i don't know i guess you could if you had to like if that was your life if there was no way around it if it's like listen um you know they came to you and said hey uh there's a fucking there's a nice age coming there's nothing we can do about it figure it out we're going to have to figure it we're going to have to have to figure it out.

[2231] We're going to have to about four months out of the year to gather up food.

[2232] And then it's going to be 80 below zero by the time December comes around.

[2233] I can't do it.

[2234] I can't do it.

[2235] Well, those people are going to die off.

[2236] Because you know what?

[2237] People are doing that in Anchorage.

[2238] Go up there.

[2239] Go to Fairbanks.

[2240] Go up there.

[2241] There's a whole city.

[2242] It's a whole city where it gets so cold that you could freeze to death while you go to get your mail.

[2243] Jesus Christ.

[2244] You can freeze to death.

[2245] They all carried candles in their car and shit.

[2246] If you get trapped somewhere, you've got to light a candle.

[2247] You can't just sit in your car.

[2248] You'll freeze to death.

[2249] You'll freeze to death.

[2250] Damn.

[2251] Yeah.

[2252] I didn't know that.

[2253] That's not even, I mean, like, I'm, I would love, I want to learn to bow hunt and go kill and eat my food.

[2254] But I would definitely want to come home and bring it home to my, my beach house.

[2255] Air -conditioned house by the beach.

[2256] The breeze and, you know, the nice, yeah.

[2257] Did your dad take you on, on, like, hunts and fishing trips?

[2258] He came into my life, my stepdad, the hunter, later on where, I mean, I would love, that's my goal is to now eventually take him on, like, one last.

[2259] hunt, you know, because he's the man's bulletproof, but, you know, because he doesn't hunt anymore.

[2260] I want to go up to Alaska and, and I don't want to kill anything, like a bear or anything.

[2261] I want to kill something.

[2262] I'm just going to eat like a deer or whatever elk.

[2263] Caribou.

[2264] You get a caribou.

[2265] You get a caribou.

[2266] We get something of a doll sheep, you know, but something difficult.

[2267] But my dad on the other side, we were, it was just all fishing.

[2268] So we're always hunting something.

[2269] Right, right, right.

[2270] And it's, it's definitely, I love doing it.

[2271] I love, I also need to go fishing again.

[2272] Do you feel like that that's a primal thing, too, that almost I mean, not obviously on the same level as fighting, but there's something about, like, the satisfaction that you get from acquiring your own food is a very primal thing.

[2273] It's the most intimate thing you can share with another creature is taking its life.

[2274] It's like a fucking psycho.

[2275] It's true.

[2276] If I was a fucking FBI profiler, I'm like, yeah, I'm going to follow your Twitter from here on out, pal.

[2277] What?

[2278] It's true, because you get to send it off.

[2279] You get to kill something and eat it.

[2280] No, I know what you.

[2281] I'm fucking with you.

[2282] Obviously, we're joking around.

[2283] But I know what you mean I killed a deer For the first time of my life Last winter And it's a very intimate feeling When you eat in the liver of an animal That you just shot a couple hours ago It's weird And it tastes fucking delicious It tastes unbelievably delicious And the reality is It's the most ethical way to approach it Because that animal is probably not going to survive Much longer anyway It gets unfucking believably cold In Montana in the winter And a lot of them just freeze at death There's a fucked up picture Jamie, have you seen this shit Of an elk frozen to death standing up Yeah, you want to know how brutal Colorado gets, bitch?

[2284] Check this shit out.

[2285] There's an elk that they found that froze to death, like trying to cross a lake or something like that, like standing up, frozen.

[2286] It was trying to, whatever was, maybe tall snow.

[2287] And it's stuck, standing up, and animals have eaten big chunks off of it.

[2288] So it is like this freaky carcass of this standing up zombie elk that has like these chunks taken out of its body, but it's frozen standing up.

[2289] Oh, man. You find it?

[2290] How dare you?

[2291] That sounds...

[2292] You got it?

[2293] Let me see it.

[2294] This is what's going to freak you out.

[2295] I'm sure there's people that have some more MMA questions.

[2296] You're going to fucking stop.

[2297] Talk about animals, Roggan.

[2298] Talk about M .M .A. You're fucking queer.

[2299] Hey, don't be mean.

[2300] You hate her, folks.

[2301] Look at this.

[2302] Look at that fucking elk, dude.

[2303] Are you shitting me?

[2304] Can you see it in that picture?

[2305] Is there a better picture?

[2306] There's got to be a better picture than that, man. See if you can find the actual picture, because the actual picture, the high -rise picture, is fucking crazy.

[2307] This thing's frozen, standing up, and big chunks are bitten off of it.

[2308] That looks fucked up.

[2309] My point is, we're such pussies here in California.

[2310] It's true.

[2311] It is true.

[2312] It comes to the weather.

[2313] Yeah, exactly.

[2314] But, on the other hand, it's a great place to develop you for an MMA fighter.

[2315] I mean, there's a picture.

[2316] Holy shit.

[2317] It's even crazier than it looked.

[2318] I mean they're eating holes straight through it Yeah it's just the body Like you could see the spine And like the organs are all missing In the top area like by the spine and the organs Are all like chewed out Of course the assholes eaten Of course it's delicious They're right to it What you're gonna do bitch They probably ate the asshole before it even died Like oh shit what we got here Sorp I'm a bear Actually it was a bear They'd be nothing That has to be probably Coyotes or something like that Because they didn't even knock it over or chew through the bone.

[2319] Wolves would have probably chewed right through the bone.

[2320] What am I a wildlife expert?

[2321] Listen to me. Like I'm a fucking, like I'm the crocodile hunter.

[2322] Like a zoologist or some shit.

[2323] The fuck, son.

[2324] So let me ask you about some upcoming fights.

[2325] Because people always request this, and I never get around to it, when fighters are on to talk about upcoming cards because there's a bunch of like really interesting fights coming up that people are interested in it.

[2326] First of all, I got to ask you.

[2327] What do you think about Anderson and Chris Weidman to rematch that fight?

[2328] I think this time, obviously Chris, you know, can beat him, I think, but I don't think he's going to.

[2329] I think Anderson's going to blast him quick.

[2330] Really?

[2331] I saw a turn in that second round where I just, I thought that the tie that completely turned.

[2332] And Anderson does the same thing he always does, and it's one, two, dip.

[2333] You know, he just, because it's MMA, guys, don't know how to box very well.

[2334] It's just a straight, basic one, two.

[2335] Right.

[2336] And he always goes the same way, one, two, and then if you start to pressure him, he goes back and dips to that side.

[2337] It's the same, watch other video.

[2338] It's what he does.

[2339] You know?

[2340] And I don't know if, Wyman might have not even known it, but all he did was take one step forward.

[2341] I bet Ray Longo knew it.

[2342] Yeah.

[2343] All he did was, you know, flash, he kind of stepped into Southpaw, flashed out of jab, and then through the hook.

[2344] Yeah.

[2345] And it was ugly.

[2346] It wasn't beautiful textbook punching, but it worked.

[2347] Well, you know, that's that same hook that he knocked your Riah Hall out with.

[2348] He has a weird, long hook where he has this arm, like, fully extended, and he catches you on the end with, like, his hand turned.

[2349] Exactly, and Anderson's used to being out here, you know, and he already got crack coming in, so it's, I mean, he just got lazy or overconfident or whatever it was, but I think that he, I would love to see him in Blitz -Widman, just because I want to see Anderson do it to something.

[2350] but because he does it so beautifully.

[2351] Nothing against Chris.

[2352] Right.

[2353] I know what you're saying.

[2354] I know what you're saying.

[2355] He's the most beautiful guy to watch as far as movement.

[2356] By far, yeah.

[2357] Yeah, he's, it's hard to wrap your head around that.

[2358] How you could like a guy like Chris Wyman and want to see him get fucked up.

[2359] People don't understand that.

[2360] It's not what it is.

[2361] It's just you want to see the performance.

[2362] Exactly.

[2363] I want to see a beautiful performance.

[2364] And no one makes it more beautiful than Anderson.

[2365] And when it's against a really tough guy, it makes the performance all the more spectacular.

[2366] Exactly.

[2367] I'm a huge Rich Franklin fan.

[2368] I've always been a rich Franklin fan.

[2369] fan.

[2370] He's a great guy.

[2371] He was a great champion.

[2372] So when Anderson beat Franklin for the title, I knew how fucking tough Rich Franklin is.

[2373] So it made it all the more crazy.

[2374] When you're watching that, you're like, Jesus Christ, like, if you don't know how tough Lee Murray is, if you don't know how tough Lee Murray is, watch Lee Murray versus Anderson Silva.

[2375] First of all, watch Lee Murray versus a host of other motherfuckers that he just slept with like one punch.

[2376] Like, Amir Renovardi, he slept him, like, tens.

[2377] He was a sniper.

[2378] He had a piston of a right hand.

[2379] And that guy, different breed.

[2380] That guy...

[2381] He's an animal!

[2382] I mean, psychopath.

[2383] Well, he's in jail right now.

[2384] Listen to this podcast.

[2385] He listens to the podcast.

[2386] Is he Morocco?

[2387] Yes.

[2388] Well, I think he's still in Morocco.

[2389] Yeah.

[2390] Probably living in a castle.

[2391] They probably got like a little manhole in his gym.

[2392] Or in his cage, rather.

[2393] And like, when the guards go to bread...

[2394] Yeah, he got a girl pregnant while he's in the cage.

[2395] He probably has like a little manhole and he opens it up and it's like fucking Saddam Hussein's palace underneath the gym.

[2396] He's a crazy criminal character.

[2397] But he was an excellent fighter.

[2398] day a very dangerous striker and Anderson Silva just ran it on him and the way he attacked him so systematically and took his legs out from under him and Anderson just fought brilliantly and also showed a fucking world -class chin yeah you know which is interesting because this is the first time we've really seen Anderson staggered and hurt yeah and stopped it's never happened before and it's it's such a cliche it's the shot you didn't expect exactly it's so cliche but even on a great fighter like Anderson.

[2399] I mean, even on a great fighter like Anderson, it's so hard to believe, but it's a shot that you didn't expect.

[2400] And it perfectly landed, point of the chin, whirp, legs go, that's it.

[2401] Lights are out.

[2402] Amazing.

[2403] But it's also, I think, in a way, it's poetic that he's the guy who got caught that way.

[2404] Because as much as I'm a huge Anderson Silva fan, and I'll never not be, the guy who is like a human highlight reel of excellence.

[2405] That's how I would describe Anderson Silva's career.

[2406] Perfection.

[2407] Perfection.

[2408] But it's good for young guys to see.

[2409] It's good for young guys come up to go, okay, that can happen even to that guy.

[2410] You can't do that.

[2411] That can happen even even though.

[2412] Sometimes you can do that, though.

[2413] Only for so long.

[2414] Yeah, it depends on who you're fighting, too.

[2415] And what's the circumstance, you know?

[2416] You know what fight I'm looking forward to, man?

[2417] It's fucking two this weekend.

[2418] Yariah Hall and John Doomsday Howard.

[2419] Oh, they're going to slug it out.

[2420] They are going to beat the crap out of each other.

[2421] People who don't know, if you don't remember John Howard, and you've seen Uriah Hall from Tuff, who just had some of the most wicked knockouts in the history of the fucking competition.

[2422] The ultimate fighter is like, the highlight reel of an ultimate fighter, without a doubt, at the tops of Yariah Hall.

[2423] Oh, by far.

[2424] Without a doubt.

[2425] That wheel kick, K .O., the right hand to make it into the finals.

[2426] I mean, he's a fucking monster, man. He is really tough, man. His striking is so, but you know who throws him?

[2427] fucking hammers doomsday John Howard and he's a good boy tie striker he's going to be able to do that and I think it's ah man that's a tough call I'm gonna have to go with your eye I think but I mean if anyone's gonna end up spoiling that party it's gonna be Howard by vicious Howard is also only like 5 -7 yeah that's what I'm saying is short yeah it's interesting but I wonder I mean he's a thick motherfucker there's some guys that even especially as they get older in their career they actually do better when they go up and wait.

[2428] I wonder if that's going to be the case where I wonder if he can carry that power, that 170 power.

[2429] That motherfucker carries that power no matter what.

[2430] He hits so hard.

[2431] He's got that kind of hit hard where it doesn't matter if he goes up a weight class.

[2432] You know, it's probably the guys are going to be able to absorb it better, but he throws some stupid one -punch power.

[2433] Hall's got a very diverse game, too, though.

[2434] Hall does a lot of wild shit.

[2435] Yeah, and that's a very...

[2436] Because when you get a guy that's very, very moitai, you know, sometimes that random shit's either going to work really well or it's going to get you in some trouble and you're going to take a fucking beating.

[2437] That's true, right?

[2438] If you miss and you slip and your back has turned and you're just going to get bludgeoned.

[2439] Especially if you can catch your legs.

[2440] I think that it's interesting.

[2441] It's an interesting thing because Uri has a, I mean, he obviously has a lot of moitai skills as well, but he also has a lot of traditional like karate style, taekwondo style techniques.

[2442] It's always interesting when you see those.

[2443] clash of those two yeah i was actually just talking to uh leota's brother on the way back from the from the fight to the hotel and uh it's kind of awkward he's like oh so who do you think won oh shit and i honestly that fight sucked it wasn't the best fighter but i enjoyed it i didn't i wouldn't say that fight sucked it was just well i mean for i don't know i i didn't like it very much because i i think that neither of them did enough to to to really win that much i I mean, it was a toss -up.

[2444] It was just not exciting to me. Oh, you're so crazy.

[2445] I thought it was very exciting.

[2446] It was just...

[2447] Oh, you're so crazy, Ian McColl?

[2448] It was just one of those things that...

[2449] I mean, it had flashes of brilliance.

[2450] Both guys are awesome.

[2451] I like both guys a lot.

[2452] It just was a bad matchup.

[2453] It didn't work out well.

[2454] You know what I think?

[2455] I think that it wasn't as exciting as it could have been because not a lot of action took place, but to me, it was very entertaining because I was watching a puzzle take place.

[2456] That's true.

[2457] And I was watching it trying to be solved.

[2458] I was watching Phil Davis try to hit the takedown.

[2459] I was watching Leota try to defend and land shots.

[2460] Blitz him.

[2461] And Phil Davis landing shots of his own.

[2462] And it's interesting, you know, if it was just a kickboxing match, it would be curious to see how it would have gone down.

[2463] But you throw in the wrestling and, you know, Davis accounted himself very well on the feet, which I think surprised a lot of people.

[2464] You know, you look at the way Machita knocked out Ryan Bader.

[2465] You look at the way Machita knocked out Tiago Silva.

[2466] Machita's used that sniping style on some really highly skilled.

[2467] strikers and fucked them up.

[2468] Badly.

[2469] Especially the Tiago Silva fight.

[2470] I mean, whew.

[2471] And Bader, man. He caught him with that one punch coming in.

[2472] I mean, he's a bad motherfucker as far as his counters.

[2473] And Phil Davis didn't really take any of them full clip.

[2474] You know, he avoided, he took some shots, but he rolled with a lot of them.

[2475] He had good defense, took a good shot, like he showed good chin.

[2476] He was constantly, well, he never was squared up.

[2477] He was constantly moving back and forth and had good head moving.

[2478] But, you know, I think Bichita landed more strikes.

[2479] Oh, yeah.

[2480] You know, so it becomes a matter of what's more important.

[2481] Is the takedown more important?

[2482] But when you hit a takedown, how much damage was actually accomplished during a takedown?

[2483] Do you feel like there's like an overhaul that needs to be done of the scoring?

[2484] Oh, yeah.

[2485] They definitely need to figure this out because there's been so many, I mean, put my shitty call aside.

[2486] I mean, there's been so many that are bad.

[2487] Yeah.

[2488] I mean, they need to have maybe it's a scoring system where a takedown is this much, you know, But it just has to be thought over by a big group people to just figure out every angle, you know, and because people are going to keep on getting screwed no matter what.

[2489] And for folks who don't understand again, we talked about it if you're not like a fan of the sport, the state athletic commission is the one who choose the judges.

[2490] And, you know, the rules are in place essentially like piggyback from boxing.

[2491] Yeah.

[2492] They took the 10 -9 system.

[2493] So one fighter, if they win, they get 10 points.

[2494] if they lose the round, they get nine points.

[2495] And the difference is in a boxing match, there's 10 -9, and then there's 10 -8 if there's a knock -down.

[2496] It's like, it's easier to define.

[2497] 10 -7 if there's two knockdowns.

[2498] It's pretty easy to define.

[2499] It's a very rare that a fighter gets knocked down but wins the round.

[2500] Whereas in MMA, you're dealing with a longer round, and you're dealing with all these other variables, kicks and takedowns and near -submission attempts.

[2501] If a guy, like, pepper's a guy with strikes, and then he gets taken down, but absolutely nothing happens while he, he's on the ground.

[2502] He just ties the guy up.

[2503] How much damage does he take?

[2504] And is it equal to all the punches that he landed before he was taken down?

[2505] It becomes a weird situation of like what's worth more.

[2506] Forcing the fight into the area where the fighter wants it, whether it's through a takedown or forcing the fight by standing up and landing strikes.

[2507] By stopping the take down.

[2508] What is more, what's worth more?

[2509] Is it a, you know, a takedown or defending yourself and attacking from the guard and getting a near submission?

[2510] Like if a guy takes you down, but you almost get him in a triangle, like, hmm, does a judge really know how to score that correctly?

[2511] It gets tricky, right?

[2512] Especially not some random person who got their job just because they know someone who works there.

[2513] Yeah, I mean, I'm sure they teach them some stuff, but my take on it has always been there.

[2514] There's so many fans out there that would love that gig, and they're like huge fans of MMA and would do a good job.

[2515] A much better job.

[2516] Yeah.

[2517] I think it should be like a Yelp thing, an Internet Yelp thing.

[2518] We should do that at the UFC from now on.

[2519] We should do online vote.

[2520] Give them an opportunity for an online Metro PCS vote.

[2521] Metro PCS.

[2522] Let's make this out.

[2523] Maybe a Bud Light vote?

[2524] Bud Light?

[2525] Bud Light doesn't like us anymore.

[2526] The Culinary Union got rid of him.

[2527] I think it's Bud Light.

[2528] Is it Miller?

[2529] Whoever it was.

[2530] I don't know.

[2531] Overeem and Browns this weekend, too, man. I want Travis to win because I'm, you know, I'm friends with him.

[2532] But can he, I mean, Overeem's too cocky.

[2533] You know, maybe, you know, we saw that in the Silva fight.

[2534] He got knocked out.

[2535] He's a better fighter, technically, than I think just about anyone in the heavyweight division.

[2536] If you break.

[2537] down just about each aspect.

[2538] But I don't know if he's lazy or what it is.

[2539] He's gas out.

[2540] It's just there's something wrong with him.

[2541] Well, I think you also have to deal with his hormones.

[2542] I mean, there's a reality of that.

[2543] Yeah, let's be honest here.

[2544] Yeah, you can't not talk about that.

[2545] Yeah, exactly.

[2546] He had a completely different shape to his body when he came back after testing positive for testosterone.

[2547] Yeah.

[2548] So when you do that, you know, I mean, and I, you know, I have no reason to believe that he didn't accidentally get this injection by this doctor who was going to fix his shoulder.

[2549] It might have happened that way, you know, or it might have been that in pride and in these other organizations in K -1, you could get away with doing things, and then when you get off those things, the problem is your body doesn't exactly know what the fucking do.

[2550] Exactly.

[2551] Because your testosterone is really low.

[2552] So he tested like really low for his last fighting against Bigfoot.

[2553] Yeah.

[2554] Like almost in like a dangerous area.

[2555] Like, ooh, that's a professional athlete and this is like really low.

[2556] And you're that big?

[2557] Yeah.

[2558] It's interesting and it's unfortunate because, man, you juiced that dude up and he's a motherfucker.

[2559] Yeah.

[2560] He's not rushing everyone.

[2561] When he was fighting Brock Lesner, and I'm not saying he was juiced up, but let's just say, for instance, if he was juiced up then, God damn, he looked good and scary.

[2562] Dude, that fight against Brock Lesner, he ragdawed Lesnar.

[2563] He slammed those kicks into his body.

[2564] And he was kicking Lesnar when Lesnar was just like ultra wrestler.

[2565] He didn't give a fuck.

[2566] He was still slamming kicks into him.

[2567] Kings and knees into his midsection.

[2568] Kneen him in the clinch.

[2569] And Lesner couldn't take him.

[2570] down.

[2571] You're like, how is this possible?

[2572] Two 300 -pound guys that were just clubbing each other like that.

[2573] Dude, whatever he was on, let's say he was on nothing.

[2574] Yeah.

[2575] Whatever.

[2576] That shape that he was in back then, that's the scary ovariem.

[2577] That's the overreem that everybody thought was going to be the greatest heavyweight of all time.

[2578] Just wicked ground games, submits Vitor Belford, wins the Abu Dhabi trials.

[2579] I mean, he's a motherfucker.

[2580] He won the Europeans.

[2581] Yeah.

[2582] As a grappler.

[2583] Yeah, as a straight grappler.

[2584] That's a big fucking fight, man. You know what else is a big fight, Travis, excuse me, Matt Brown versus Mike Pyle.

[2585] That's another very interesting fight.

[2586] That's a good fight.

[2587] I'm going to go to Mike.

[2588] Yeah?

[2589] I think Pyle's too crafty?

[2590] Yeah, I think Pyle's too crafty.

[2591] I think that, Brown's good.

[2592] I mean, he's, you know, he's obviously been here forever for a reason, but I think that that Pyle's too crafty.

[2593] He'll end up getting him with something.

[2594] Piles are crafty motherfucker.

[2595] He's an underdog, man. Not in this fight necessarily.

[2596] I'm sure he probably is listed as an underdog with Matt Brown coming off of his last fight.

[2597] But I mean, in that division, he's like a dark horse.

[2598] He could beat a lot of the top guys.

[2599] You know, and everybody that trains with Mike Pyle will tell you that, like, Mike Pyle in the gym is just motherfucker.

[2600] Yeah.

[2601] Like, he's even guys that have beaten him, he fucking trounces in the gym.

[2602] You know, it's like he's sort of coming into his own, you know, as a fighter.

[2603] And he's at a long career already.

[2604] But Matt Brown is a special kind of savage.

[2605] Yes.

[2606] There's a, there's a darkness to that man's heart.

[2607] When he fucking comes after dudes, you can, like, You could smell the devil in the room when he's beating on dudes.

[2608] I'm telling you, man, that fight with Jordan Meehan, that was a fight to the death.

[2609] That was a fight to the death, man. I was a fight to the death, man. That was an incredible fight, incredible fucking fight.

[2610] He went after Mian, and Mian is a tough, talented kid.

[2611] He's fucking good.

[2612] And Matt Brown put an assault on him.

[2613] You smell the devil.

[2614] You smell just whisp of brimstone as he's beating the fuck out of this dude.

[2615] You're like, this guy, there's a certain fury.

[2616] that that dude brings into the cage He's got that instinct He's got that That wants to wear your skin kind of thing All these fucking dudes that went through rehab What is about I didn't know he went through rehab?

[2617] Oh yeah man He had also some similar near -death experiences With drugs I believe Why is Rory McDonald's so weird Oh he's got his own issues man He's got his own issues But uh it's uh Think about um court Court McGee Another one Same sort of situation That dude's fierce man I know.

[2618] Cort McGee is a bad motherfucker, and he doesn't get tired, man. He never gets tired.

[2619] He keeps coming.

[2620] You see that dude?

[2621] Elevation training.

[2622] There you go.

[2623] Elevation with weight vests running hills.

[2624] The fucking dude runs miles with a weight vest on.

[2625] He doesn't get tired.

[2626] He's a tank.

[2627] Yeah, he's a scary dude, and it's the same thing.

[2628] These dudes that go through crazy adversity, even if it's self -imposed adversity, like drugs.

[2629] There's some...

[2630] You guys been to the other side.

[2631] Is that what it is?

[2632] Yeah.

[2633] I don't ever want to go back.

[2634] But you have had like a near -death experience.

[2635] experience.

[2636] I died.

[2637] But I mean you didn't.

[2638] I died.

[2639] I got about back, but I got hit with like three EpiPens and the paddles.

[2640] Did you see aliens?

[2641] Um, no, there was no light.

[2642] I woke up in the hospital with my brother just shaking his head at me. Whoa.

[2643] So you didn't know anything.

[2644] And this was a real overdose.

[2645] This wasn't like, oh, I overdosed and they'd let me out the night that night.

[2646] No, I was in the hospital for a week.

[2647] Whoa.

[2648] Like I aspirated, like I had pneumonia.

[2649] Like I actually was dead and they brought me back.

[2650] Was it pills?

[2651] Yeah, it was a mix of pills and alcohol and more pills and this other pills and some GHB and some God damn I just and I was sober for a while and I just went ripe and I just used me getting a tattoo as an excuse to get fucked up and it uh I literally I remember I remember parts of it and then I remember waking up in the hospital with just like you know one of my friends and I don't know how the hell she got there still this day I never even asked dude you should stop your story right now and make the rest of it up and write a book about what I learned on the other side.

[2652] How many dudes get to go to the other side?

[2653] Just make a dope book about it.

[2654] Make some shit up.

[2655] Like, I saw the light.

[2656] You could do it.

[2657] You've been to heaven.

[2658] You came back, man. You can tell us some shit.

[2659] Just make some shit.

[2660] It's true.

[2661] Don't tell anybody.

[2662] Okay.

[2663] So you know what?

[2664] Really want to know what happened?

[2665] Do you feel like that you have like a second chance at life?

[2666] Yeah.

[2667] Definitely feel like I have a second chance.

[2668] And it's...

[2669] Did it feel like that?

[2670] Like, tangibly?

[2671] Like, wow.

[2672] I gotta get this thing right.

[2673] No, because I still fucked up after that You know Honestly, I still Drop the ball a couple times after that I still just You know, I'm running out of time Is it three minutes left?

[2674] I'm a constant threat to myself Oh please get it together You're such a fun guy And that's what I'm working I'm a work in progress I love underdog stories I love when a dude pulls it out Like you fucked it up in the beginning You get it on track I love those stories Spinning and Because I think I think they're beneficial for everybody.

[2675] I think I'm not a perfect person.

[2676] I never have been a perfect person.

[2677] I've made a lot of fucking mistakes.

[2678] And I think in talking about mistakes, not only do I get like some jokes and relief out of them, like other people can, you could realize like, oh, he's sucked at life too.

[2679] Yeah.

[2680] You know?

[2681] It's therapy for me to be able to, to explain my story.

[2682] Yeah, you're taking it to a whole new levels.

[2683] What I'm trying to say.

[2684] It's like my story is fucking ridiculous compared to yours.

[2685] I mean, you fucking died, dude.

[2686] All right, fucked up as you can get you you've fucked up so bad your body said we fucking quit and then science came along and jeez shit shocked this dummy back to life we need them around well look man look at that you die and then you come back and have some awesome fights it's amazing yeah dude let's do this again let's do it let's do it more often I live close enough we're all head up here close enough in Los Angeles I'll drive a faster car next time that's what you're gonna deal with it you need a helicopter bitch Maserati's not fast listen congratulations on all your progress and thank you very much it's been a lot of fun You can follow him on Twitter.

[2687] It's Uncle Creepy MMA on Twitter and Uncle Creepy MMA on Instagram as well.

[2688] I tagged it in a picture I took of us earlier today.

[2689] Thanks, man. It was all had fun.

[2690] It was fun.

[2691] Thank you.

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[2694] Yeah, you know the fucking deal, folks.

[2695] Don't have to tell you.

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[2698] See ya, bitches.

[2699] We'll be back next week with all.

[2700] sorts of goodies.

[2701] Much love to you all and I'll see you guys in Boston this weekend.