#1880 - Tulsi Gabbard

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[3] Hello, Joe.

[4] Good to see it.

[5] It's good to be back.

[6] Nice seeing you.

[7] What's it been like retiring from being a congresswoman for a wee bit?

[8] It feels so weird hearing that word.

[9] Retire?

[10] Yeah.

[11] It's a dirty word.

[12] I don't know what that means.

[13] I don't believe in retirement.

[14] Yeah.

[15] I believe in quitting.

[16] Yeah, I suppose.

[17] Or moving on, rather, moving on.

[18] That's where I never, I've never seen politics as a quote -unquote career.

[19] Some people are like, oh, how's it like retiring from Congress?

[20] Like, I can't relate to that.

[21] I'm just continuing the work, but in a different way.

[22] Well, the way you did it, though, is what most people should do.

[23] Like, when people are running for office and then they're also in a job, like, you're not doing a good job at that job.

[24] There's no way you can be.

[25] Yeah.

[26] Like running for office, just campaign financing, just raising the money for the campaign has to be crazy.

[27] It is.

[28] The amount of time, there's no way that you could be dedicating 100 % of your time to your constituents like you should be.

[29] Yeah, yeah.

[30] It has to be your full -time mission.

[31] And, you know, people who come and ask me, they're like, oh, I'm thinking of running for office.

[32] And that's literally what I tell them.

[33] I'm like, are you ready to quit everything else in your life and have the support of your family?

[34] family and dedicate all your energy towards this mission of service because it will require that.

[35] If you're serious about it, it will require that.

[36] If you want to do it at your best.

[37] Absolutely.

[38] Yeah.

[39] And if you want to be truly sincere, when you're knocking on people's doors, you're standing in a town hall meeting and you're saying, hey, essentially, give me your trust that I will fight for you, I will speak for you, I will represent you every single day.

[40] How are you going to do that if you're like yeah by the way i got this side gig or that side gig or this you know other loyalty that is something other than you you know the people the voter and um i don't know i i think i think more and more people are starting to pick up on that and question that uh in in both people who are running for office and they're elected like who you really working for well they certainly should it's a it's a complicated union yeah it is it is that it really is between money and politics and it's just like it's I mean it would be wonderful if we could get money entirely out of politics if the only way that a politician could make money while they're in office is just their salary yeah if we said it that way like I'm sure you're aware of the Nancy Pelosi stuff absolutely it's wild it is and and look this is I think this is one of the good things about social media is of course the the mainstream corporate media is hardly covering it at all but because Because of social media, things like that are spreading like wildfire, like, hey, Paul Pelosi is doing these trades within this period of time of Nancy Pelosi voting on this bill or bringing a bill to the floor because we've got to remember, Nancy Pelosi as Speaker of the House, nothing happens without her knowing about it or giving her stamp of approval.

[41] So regardless of whether it's happening in the Judiciary Committee or the Commerce Committee or the Armed Services Committee, if there's a bill coming to the floor, there's major legislation that's being passed or is being squashed, that is happening with her say -so.

[42] And so just in these last few days, you know, they, once people started making noise saying, hey, you as a member of Congress or your spouse or your adult child should not be allowed to conduct insider trading on issues that Congress is dealing with, which really covers every issue under the spectrum, they can't pretend anymore that they haven't been doing it.

[43] And yet, even as a Nazi policy is like, okay, okay, fine, we'll draft legislation.

[44] but Congress is about to take a break as they head into the general elections and once again she's refusing to bring the bill to the floor for a vote saying oh well you know we're not going to bring it to the floor if it doesn't have support put people on the freaking spot make them cast that vote that is the last thing she wants right before they lose that honey pot she doesn't first of all she doesn't want it becoming a big important thing that people are talking about yeah Where people start, excuse me, where people start looking at it and say, well, how much money have you made?

[45] Yeah.

[46] Like, why are you worth $200 million?

[47] That's crazy.

[48] You make $200 ,000 a year.

[49] You're worth $200 million.

[50] Like, what's going on?

[51] What, and you look at, like, Paul Pelosi's stock, like, what his record is, he's better than Warren Buffett and George Soros, who are like wizards.

[52] Exactly.

[53] Those guys are the best.

[54] He's better than them.

[55] Yep.

[56] But it's 100 % insider trading.

[57] You mean, you think about what they put Martha Stewart away in jail for.

[58] That's a nothing.

[59] That's nothing compared to what she's doing.

[60] And she's not the only one, obviously.

[61] There are, and this is where, you know, the, the quote unquote, unit party in Washington has been blocking this kind of legislation from being passed because they're both benefiting from it.

[62] We had, I think they're Republican and Democrat senators in the lead up.

[63] towards COVID, who knew about it, right, and started making different investments in as we were approaching it, even before the rest of the country knew about it so that they could profit financially from it, just absolutely disgusting.

[64] It's crazy.

[65] It's just crazy that it's legal.

[66] Yeah.

[67] It's, it's really egregious.

[68] And it's shocking how complicit the mainstream media is in ignoring it.

[69] Like, do you think that there's.

[70] some discussion or is it just an understanding that you'll lose access to these people if you highlight this like what is why are they not covering that it's it's like this this chummy insiders club in Washington and you know a common term that's being used now is is called permanent Washington which really fits when you think about it because it kind of encapsulates that whole swampy ecosystem of both those who've been elected into positions, those who are longtime appointed or powerful bureaucrats and the corporate media, they all go out to the same parties, the same social functions, you know, passing information to each other.

[71] And so, you know, if the anchor of a big time news show says, hey, guys, guess what, Nancy Pelosi and her husband are insider trading, then they have to think about, oh, well, Am I cutting a bridge?

[72] Am I cutting off access to, you know, information that she or her staff might be feeding me that I can break news on and all this stuff?

[73] So, you know, it's like you scratch my back.

[74] I'll scratch yours.

[75] And if you start pissing off certain people, then you get kicked out of the cool kids club.

[76] That's really what's at what's at the heart of it.

[77] And so they play along because this is this issue's come up before.

[78] It came up years ago.

[79] Congress said, okay, we're going to take action to stop insider trading and make sure that.

[80] elected leaders aren't benefiting off of insider information.

[81] And so they passed the Stock Act, which did nothing.

[82] Essentially, it just said, okay, if you are going to, you know, trade in stocks or buy or sell stocks, you have to report it.

[83] You have to be transparent about it.

[84] Most of Congress has failed to do even that.

[85] So it did nothing to stop it.

[86] It says, you just got to tell us.

[87] And most people are like, yeah, I'm not going to tell you anyway.

[88] And there's no repercussions.

[89] And there's no, well, they might get like a $100 fine, $200 fine as they make millions in their, in their trade.

[90] So, you know, again, it's good.

[91] This is kind of like one of those things that should give us all a glimmer of hope where if enough people, we the people make noise about it, they're forced to pay attention.

[92] So now what about when we were talking about like chumminess and like sort of like the hidden rules, what about.

[93] if you do right wing talk shows.

[94] Like if you're a Democrat and you decide to go on Tucker Carlson, for instance, like what is that like?

[95] It ranges from people kind of like giving you a cynical look like whose side are you really on to people just outright ending that friendship or that professional relationship because they don't want to have anything to do with you.

[96] have you experienced that over and over really over and over and it's not just Tucker Carlson there's been this negative stigma for almost as long as I've served in Congress against anyone who actually goes on Fox News period and so you could say like and I do I was like hey more people watch Fox News than any other cable news channel so my audience is speaking to the American people if I have the opportunity to do that and by the way Fox News more than CNN and MSNBC over the last decade has been more fair to me and providing me that opportunity to speak to the American people, I'm going to take advantage of it.

[97] Well, it seems like one of the things that Fox News does well is if they have a Democrat on, they don't attack them.

[98] They allow them to express themselves.

[99] That's right.

[100] Which is interesting.

[101] Whether the host agrees or disagrees.

[102] That's not the point.

[103] Because when a right -wing person seems to be, if they're on MSNBC or if they're on CNN, It's like they have these weapons ready to go.

[104] The blades are sharp and they attack.

[105] And they're trying to discredit that person, trying to mock them.

[106] They will talk over them.

[107] They will be rude to them.

[108] They will mock whatever position they have.

[109] Instead of like trying to offer some sort of a reasonable debate against it, they will just, they will talk over it and mock it.

[110] And they'll bring on another expert and that person talks over it.

[111] Yeah.

[112] It's not even limited to those who bring like a soap.

[113] called right -wing perspective or conservative perspective.

[114] It's really anyone who brings a voice, a view of perspective that is different from whatever the mainstream narrative is at that point, whatever the cause of the day may be.

[115] And so as a Democrat serving in Congress, I experienced that over and over and over again, exactly that reaction that you're talking about in not allowing me at least just to come and present my view.

[116] They can ask me a tough question.

[117] They can present an opposing view.

[118] That's great.

[119] But so many times I've gone on these different shows and they don't even allow that.

[120] And it really just speaks to what is really a dangerous mentality amongst the Democratic Party leadership and kind of this establishment narrative in Washington, which is they don't believe in freedom.

[121] They don't believe in freedom of speech or freedom of thought.

[122] And for anyone who brings an opposing view, they choose to shut you up, silence you, smear you, try to ruin you or undermine your character and credibility because they don't want the weakness or the insecurity of their own argument to be exposed.

[123] And also they immediately judge you as someone who may bring an opposing view, regardless of your political party, as the enemy, as a threat, as somebody who is less than and doesn't deserve a voice, which is really, really dangerous for our democracy when you really think about it.

[124] Yeah, it's very spooky.

[125] And it's spooky how prevalent that mindset is and how many Democrats, not even just politicians, just people that are Democrats, how many people share that position that you should silence people that you don't agree with?

[126] And it's just, it's such a foolish perspective.

[127] and it's it plays out historically over and over and over again in a terrible way and I just don't understand why people don't learn that lesson I think that I think that the Democratic Party leaders people like Hillary Clinton people who've been in charge for a very long time foment this kind of culture of fear and like hey if you go against us like you're dead you're on the shit list.

[128] You have kind of the very loud activists who don't represent, I think, even the majority of the Democratic Party, but the AOCs of the world who are almost like these radical religious zealots and they are ideologues and whatever they choose is the battle of the day.

[129] Yes.

[130] If you are against them on that, forget it.

[131] You're done.

[132] What is that woman's name, Rashida?

[133] Talib.

[134] Yeah, I'm sure you watched this, where she was communicating with the heads of these banks.

[135] And she was asking them about, you should see this.

[136] See if you can find this, where she's talking to the heads of these banks, where they're talking about funding fossil fuel projects in the future.

[137] And she asked them point blank, will you fund fossil fuel projects in the future?

[138] and they said yes, and if we didn't, that would be devastating to the United States.

[139] And then she goes on, we'll play it for you.

[140] Okay.

[141] Because it's, Jamie will find it.

[142] It's so bonkers because the first thing she goes to is we gave student debt forgiveness and those people have bank accounts and we're going to urge them to take their money out of your bank account.

[143] So it's like we bribe these people by giving them 10 grand.

[144] If you really want to help them, make it so that you.

[145] you can get out of student debt.

[146] You really want to help them?

[147] Make it so that a bankruptcy actually absolves you of student debt because it doesn't, because it's a corrupt system.

[148] So like, fuck all this, you're 10 grand, because 10 grand's nonsense.

[149] These people are $150, $200 ,000 in the hole, and some of them actually wind up getting their Social Security docked when they're in their 60s because they still owe money from student loans that didn't help them at all.

[150] Exactly.

[151] And she uses that.

[152] She holds it over their head.

[153] Meanwhile, she does not understand the incredibly complex variables that are involved in the elimination of fossil fuels or how many fossil fuels are involved in every single thing you do, including electric cars, the construction of solar panels, like everything, the transportation of goods and services.

[154] This idea that you're just going to stop all future projects.

[155] Yeah.

[156] Because you think that that's what your ideological group wants.

[157] Right.

[158] Play it.

[159] I think this is it.

[160] Let me see it.

[161] Let me see your face.

[162] Yes, that's it.

[163] This is it.

[164] So.

[165] You have all committed, as you all know, to jurisdiction the emissions from lending and investment activity to line with pathways to net zero in 2050.

[166] Do you know what the International Energy Energy Agency has said is required to meet our goal.

[167] global 2015 that sterile targets of limiting global temperature rise to 2 .7 degrees Fahrenheit or 1 .5 degrees Celsius.

[168] So no new fossil fuel production starting today.

[169] What a wizard.

[170] Well, I would like to ask all of you and go down the list because again, you all agree to doing this.

[171] Please answer with a simple yes or no. Does your bank have a policy against funding new oil and gas products?

[172] Mr. Diamond.

[173] Absolutely not.

[174] And that would be the wrote to hell for America yeah that's fine no no no there's more this is just this is like a fox news clip there's more of her see if you can find the rest of it you can find an actual clip of the conversation said this nonsense with the music over it because the actual clip of the conversation shows like she goes down the line and talks to these guys and they all say no yeah everyone says no because it's it's not reality you can't just hit the brakes And then just, that's what happened with COVID.

[175] You see how the economy collapsed when you make everyone shut their business down?

[176] That's going to happen times a thousand if you just stop all fossil fuel production.

[177] Didn't we just see this in California where they passed a law?

[178] What is it requiring all electric vehicles or stopping production of vehicles that use gas?

[179] Yes, all cars that are sold in California as of 2035 must be electrical.

[180] And then the next week they said, you can't charge.

[181] charge your electric car because the power grid's fucked.

[182] That's California politics in a nutshell, though.

[183] Because it's so ideologically driven.

[184] And I talk to people from California that are just in that fog, the fog of woke.

[185] And they're my friends and I'll show them that.

[186] And they're like, what?

[187] Really?

[188] And I go, yeah, look, you're not supposed to charge your electric car.

[189] They're like, what the fuck?

[190] I'm like, yeah, what the fuck?

[191] But that right, like that's like the analogy.

[192] That is the example of exactly what we're talking about.

[193] This whole mentality of wokeism, of being ideologues, that not only doesn't make sense, but if you don't agree with it, you're wrong, you're the enemy.

[194] If you're silent, right?

[195] If you just don't eat, hey, like, I got no comment on this.

[196] Well, you are now complicit in the problem.

[197] Exactly.

[198] Silence is violence.

[199] Silence is violence.

[200] And then, and again, I have experience with all of, like, this whole spectrum.

[201] And then, like, if you're like, okay, like, get off my ass.

[202] fine, I agree.

[203] They're like, well, prove it.

[204] Prove it.

[205] You need to stand on the street corner.

[206] You need to scream out loud.

[207] You need to do all this.

[208] And, you know, the women's march when Trump got elected, right?

[209] I didn't go.

[210] I was out of the country.

[211] I got harassed and harangued.

[212] Why weren't you there wearing the pink pussy hat?

[213] What is wrong with you?

[214] You must not believe in women's rights.

[215] You must.

[216] And the irony is here we are sitting now with a lot of these same people who like, oh, well, I don't know how to define a woman.

[217] And there is no such thing as a woman.

[218] And it just, but all of these examples point to the hypocrisy, the fact that they don't believe in truth and that whatever their cause of the moment is, is whatever they decide is the truth and the thing that must be measured against for you.

[219] Like, you're either with us or you're against us.

[220] And if you're with us, you've got to prove your zealousness for the cause.

[221] Is that a word?

[222] I think, I don't know.

[223] Zellousness?

[224] I think so.

[225] Sounds good.

[226] It fits.

[227] You know, there's a chess game and the ultimate checkmate is, what's a woman?

[228] Yeah.

[229] I mean, when you're coming to, with wokeness and you can identify as a woman, you get to use the female restroom, like, okay, but what is it?

[230] What's a woman?

[231] You know, can a man get pregnant?

[232] Yes.

[233] Okay, well, what is it?

[234] Can a biological male get pregnant?

[235] and then people panic and they start the people that identify as a woman are capable of being pregnant and people that identify as a male are capable of also being pregnant like what are you saying what's a say if you identify as a woman what are you identifying as like that's the documentary the matt walsh documentary which is fucking amazing and also amazing that no one's reviewing it no one's reviewing it that That documentary is fantastic because Matt Walsh allowed, and you can only get it on the Daily Wire, I think, which is unfortunate, but I get it.

[236] You know, I get it the Daily Wire produced it.

[237] They want people to sign up and they're creating this alternative platform for content.

[238] But that documentary is so good because Matt Walsh simply asks questions and he does it deadpan.

[239] And it's amazing watching these people just like twist reality in this.

[240] some weird fucking contortion it's not it's like what are you saying it's so revealing what is a woman what does it mean yeah it's so revealing you know you're marching for women's rights but what does that mean so if I decide I'm a woman and I go out you're marching for me I'm a woman now right you can just say it yeah we can't have that that doesn't make sense and it doesn't mean you can't have trans people it doesn't mean that yeah you can most certainly and it doesn't mean you're against yes anyone denying anyone's existence either.

[241] They exist.

[242] However, if you want to be pregnant, you must be a biological female.

[243] This is science.

[244] This is something that we have all studied and looked at and observed.

[245] And this is fucking doctrine.

[246] It's no getting around it.

[247] If you want to breed, if you want the egg in the womb, they want the whole thing to happen, the uterus, the baby.

[248] That's a woman.

[249] Just because you have a fucking beard because you're taking testosterone.

[250] You're still.

[251] a woman.

[252] Like this is crazy.

[253] And that's what was so powerful about that documentary was both Matt Walsh's demeanor and frankly his respect with whoever he was questioning and the spectrum of people that he spoke to on this from, you know, psychiatrists, psychologists, doctors, professors, and even a woman who transitioned hormonally to become a man who is like crying on camera.

[254] That's the problem in this country.

[255] You know, everyone wants to talk about representation.

[256] Here's what's not represented at all in the mainstream media.

[257] People that have had a horrible experience having gender transition surgery and regret it deeply.

[258] There's a lot of them.

[259] It's not a small amount.

[260] It's a lot of people.

[261] It's not a cut and dry thing.

[262] Look, if there was a way where we had some sort of genetic engineering, where, you know, some super advanced form of CRISPR where I could just decide I want to be a woman now and then bam now I have a double X chromosome I have a vagina I'm a actual woman like 100 % not surgery and here's the other thing it's like if you're saying that you identify as a woman you're a woman okay why do you have to get an operation then right what why do you have to take hormones like why do you have to do all that stuff and that stuff seems to be where all the problem lies because that is purely experimental, especially when it comes to children.

[263] Like, we're now finding, when they're talking about hormone blockers, they were saying hormone blockers are reversible and there's no side effects.

[264] That's not true at all.

[265] They're finding horrific side effects for kids to take those things.

[266] And we don't have a lot of long -term data.

[267] We just don't.

[268] Yeah.

[269] It's so dangerous that the Biden administration's, you know, health and human services secretary, is openly advocating for this.

[270] parents and schools in the community need to support this quote unquote gender affirming care and treatment for kids knowing what we know even the limited knowledge of what we know about the impacts of these hormone treatments the impacts of these irreversible surgeries both physically as well as mentally as more and more even of these kids who come forward who've gone through this with incredible regret and talking about the long -standing symptoms and problems and illnesses they're now having to deal with, we have the person who's supposed to be in charge of federal health policy for the country saying, no, no, no, this is exactly what we should be doing and encouraging parents and kids to go and get this treatment.

[271] It is an advocating for abuse of children.

[272] And it's something that more and more people need to stand up against.

[273] But the fact that we don't have more people speaking out about this speaks to this culture of fear that we're talking about.

[274] Right.

[275] And you can't even talk about it because that person is trans, which is even crazier.

[276] So the person who's advocating for children to transition also is trans.

[277] And I'm sure you saw the Rand Paul interview where Rand Paul is questioning her and asking questions.

[278] And it's like talking to an alien.

[279] Yeah.

[280] It's like he's talking to an alien that has a tape recorder that's going to press play every time the question's over.

[281] Thank you, Senator.

[282] You know, transgender care is a nuanced and like goes into this speech.

[283] And Rand Paul says, just let it be set on record that the person is not answering these questions.

[284] Exactly.

[285] And the worst thing that I don't know how well known this is, but I saw a brochure that the Department of Health and Human Services put out on what is gender affirming care.

[286] it basically says that if parents refuse or fail to provide this gender -affirming care, then child protective services will have the authority to step in and try to intervene for the sake of the child.

[287] Wow.

[288] And so when you look at what...

[289] So if a kid is just going through a period in their life where they decide I'm a girl or I'm a boy.

[290] Right.

[291] And the parents say, hey, let's wait until you turn...

[292] 18, you might grow out of this.

[293] And the kids like, fuck that.

[294] I'm calling child protective services.

[295] And then Homeland Security or whoever the hell it is comes in and physically forces the parents to do the bidding of the minor child.

[296] With the threat of taking your child away from you.

[297] How did anybody allow it to get this far?

[298] Who, are there no adults in the room?

[299] I mean, that's a big expression, right?

[300] It is.

[301] That was the thing that everyone said that we were going to.

[302] love about the Biden administration right the adults are back in the room yeah really like what is everyone out of their fucking mind like we know children are incredibly malleable we know children are impulsive they they decide like there's kids ready for this my friend his wife is a school teacher and she works at a school that had to install a litter box in the girls room because there is a girl who's a furry who identifies as an animal and her mother badgered the school until they agreed to put a litter box in one of the stalls.

[303] So this girl goes into the litter room or to the girl's room and urinates or whatever.

[304] I don't know if she poops in it.

[305] That's pretty gross.

[306] Like if you could teach your cat, by the way, here's the thing.

[307] If you could teach your cat to use the toilet, you would.

[308] Okay?

[309] Yeah.

[310] Like you don't want a box of piss.

[311] in your house.

[312] It's the worst.

[313] I've had cats my whole life.

[314] It's the worst thing about having cats.

[315] You've got to clean that box of piss every day.

[316] Yeah.

[317] Like it's the greatest thing about dogs.

[318] They go outside.

[319] Like, you're a fucking human.

[320] The cats got their humans trained.

[321] Imagine how crazy that is.

[322] You're a fucking human being and you prefer a litter box.

[323] You want to piss into a pile of sand rather than use a bathroom that you could flush the toilet, wipe yourself, like a normal person.

[324] Like, you're so crazy with what you think an animal is.

[325] That not only have you said this, but you've conned the school into putting this fucking litter box in a girl's room.

[326] Yeah.

[327] Which is bananas.

[328] It is.

[329] It's absolutely insane.

[330] I'm sure you saw the teacher in Washington State that has the giant rubber boobs.

[331] Oh, my God, I did.

[332] And then the school is now supporting.

[333] Giant is an understatement.

[334] But here's the thing about these giant boobs.

[335] And this is a male teacher.

[336] Yes.

[337] Yes.

[338] This is a male teacher who had, they're not.

[339] fake boobs, they're fake fake boobs.

[340] This is what I mean.

[341] Like, if you knock your teeth out, like, if I, like, if I, like, go lift weights, I hit myself in the face with the kettlebell and knock my teeth out.

[342] They'll replace my teeth with fake teeth.

[343] Right.

[344] But if I have these teeth that are my real teeth, and I put fake teeth over them, those are fake, fake teeth.

[345] Right.

[346] So this person, these are not fake boobs, like they went and got an operation and had breast augmentation.

[347] No. They put But giant rubber boobs over their real boobs.

[348] I wish I could find a watermelon that big.

[349] I love watermelon.

[350] If I can find a watermelon that big, they're so big, it's crazy.

[351] What is the point of that, by the way?

[352] I think it's a troll.

[353] And I have been reading about this online.

[354] Apparently, there's many people that are pointing to the fact that this teacher may very well be scamming people.

[355] Okay.

[356] What does it say?

[357] Whether or not it was satire.

[358] Yeah, I was reading.

[359] It shows where the power lies.

[360] Talking about that.

[361] Was the fake boobs teacher a hoax?

[362] Interesting.

[363] So what I've heard is that this is actually, this teacher's actually a conservative man. And that he's doing this as a goof and also knows he can never get fired.

[364] Like maybe trying to get fired.

[365] Like, see what does the article say?

[366] Does it say anything?

[367] This article brings up the same stuff that like James Lindsay did where they made those fake.

[368] Yeah, the grievance.

[369] Articles.

[370] Similar thing.

[371] There's a law.

[372] I'm trying to read and think at the same time.

[373] I can't do that.

[374] No worries.

[375] Because the teacher could probably...

[376] Yeah, so here it is the Peter Bogosian Helen Pluck Rose and James Lindsay ceded peer -reviewed journals with absurd critical studies papers, which was amazing, that they simply made up caused a huge star, but neither academia's perverse incentives nor the often ridiculous stances on critical studies have noticeably changed as a result.

[377] Academia still publishing apparently sincerely auto -ethno -gette, how do you say that word?

[378] Ethno -graphic?

[379] Auto -ethnographic studies about pedophilic masturbation.

[380] What is that?

[381] What?

[382] Click on that link.

[383] What are they saying?

[384] What is this study?

[385] We'll come back to this in a moment.

[386] I want to know what the fuck they're talking about.

[387] So University Investigator's Ph .D., yeah, click on that.

[388] Okay.

[389] Click on that real quick.

[390] Hold on.

[391] University investigates Ph .D. students' paper on masturbating to comics of young boys.

[392] Holy shit.

[393] Manchester University launches inquiry into ethical standards after paper details masturbation sessions.

[394] A leading university has launched an inquiry after it emerged at one of its PhD students has written a research paper about sexual attraction to young boys.

[395] Carl Anderson spent three months recording his thoughts and feelings while masturbating over images of young boys in Japanese comic books.

[396] In the abstract for the paper, Anderson, who's interviewing fans of Shota, I guess, S -H -O -T -A comics for his PhD said he wanted to understand how they experienced sexual pleasure while reading Shota.

[397] Oh, you wanted to understand.

[398] I get it.

[399] Normal.

[400] His 4 ,000 -word study, which detailed his sexual habits and sexual encounters between boys in the comics was published in the journal, qualitative research in April.

[401] It provoked outrage from academics and MP and others after it was circulated on Twitter this week.

[402] Yeah, there's a normalization of all kinds of sexual attraction, including illegal sexual attraction.

[403] They're trying to say that people aren't pedophiles.

[404] They're minor attracted individuals.

[405] Go back to that article, Jamie, if you don't mind.

[406] Just that, see that bottom part?

[407] It says, I have, this is the guy, right?

[408] The guy who did this research.

[409] He says, I happened to live alone during this experiment, and I had newly become single after long relationship.

[410] Those factors probably contributed to my willingness and eagerness to explore this method.

[411] Sick.

[412] That's so crazy.

[413] Sick.

[414] This is exactly, you know, when you don't believe in truth, and, you know, you're talking about the furries, like, you know, the accommodations for this child who identifies as a cat in the school, then you have the minor attracted persons.

[415] There are no boundaries anymore.

[416] Right.

[417] There are no boundaries.

[418] The teachers in the school and the school itself just said no. Exactly.

[419] Exactly.

[420] To the parent.

[421] No crazy.

[422] First of all, what are you doing to your kid that you let your kid, because they identify as an animal, use a litter box?

[423] They're still a human.

[424] Use a goddamn bathroom.

[425] It's sanitary.

[426] It's much better.

[427] Like, do you want your house smell like human pee?

[428] What if they eat asparagus and then they pee into a box?

[429] You don't think that's gross.

[430] You want to go into the bathroom and smell asparagus pee because your kid is fucking crazy and you're encouraging that?

[431] That's nuts.

[432] Right.

[433] Go back to that big.

[434] boob gentleman slash female hoaxer I want to finish where we're at so try to figure out what is happening here um okay we're right around there uh and in much of the same way if lemu is attempting to force an absurd anti -discrimination law to breaking point the attempt has failed rather than forcing the school to confront the grotesque absurdity of letting a male wear prosthetic boobs to a teaching job, it simply promoted a debate on what size and shape the prosthetic should be.

[435] Jeez.

[436] Oh my God.

[437] The school exacerbated at the international attention they've garnered, has simply approved a new dress code that would force Lemieux to wear slightly smaller fake boobs.

[438] But what if you actually have real augmented boobs that are that big?

[439] because people do go to that go back to that please click on the new dress code I need to find out of what they're looking what are you guys are out of your mind how far are they bending over backward this is a school not a circus students joined protesters outside the Canadian school with trans teacher with oversized prosthetic breasts I don't think it's really a trans teacher I think they're calling this person a trans teacher but I according to Reddit which I hold in high regard I think they I was trying to do something some research on Kayla real quick.

[440] Yeah, what are they saying?

[441] I didn't get, I had to go back to the article first.

[442] Yeah, me and Duncan were actually going back and forth about it yesterday, trying to figure out how much of a hoax it was and laughing hysterically.

[443] Because if it is a hoax, along the lines of the Helen Plectrose and Peter Bogosi and James Lindsay studies, it's really funny.

[444] Yeah.

[445] It's really funny because this person has taken it to the umtenth degree.

[446] Exactly.

[447] Like, these are great, for folks just listening, these things are the size of a small child.

[448] Like if a small child, like if a six -year -old was in the fetal position and they hung from your neck, that would literally be the size of one of these breasts.

[449] Yeah, exactly.

[450] And I think that's, I think the point remains, right?

[451] Whether it's a hoax or not, it points to how insane our society and culture has become where rather than the school being like, yo, no. Yo is the right thing to say too.

[452] Yo, yo is the perfect thing to say there.

[453] Like, yo.

[454] What are you doing, man?

[455] I don't like that.

[456] You're in wood shop, okay?

[457] Which is, you're not even supposed to have loose clothes.

[458] How do you have giant rubber boots?

[459] That's so dangerous.

[460] It is.

[461] He's using a bandsaw.

[462] Excuse me. She's using a bandsaw.

[463] Like, look at that.

[464] Look at the size of those things.

[465] Imagine these poor fucking kids.

[466] Imagine, like, you go in there.

[467] And she's wearing sunglasses indoors, too, which is awesome.

[468] Right.

[469] I mean, the whole thing is just so crazy.

[470] Canada is Canada is like California on some sort of SSRI.

[471] It's like they've taken it to a whole new level.

[472] Yeah.

[473] Okay so right there is Kayla Lemieux.

[474] That's a YouTube video.

[475] There's a bunch of YouTube videos.

[476] Woke culture, endgame.

[477] Look at the size of the nipples.

[478] That's so crazy.

[479] The nipples are enormous.

[480] This person literally has shoulder straps like they're backpacking in the woods.

[481] Like they've got a weeks worth with a food in those things.

[482] They're carrying around on their back.

[483] That's so nuts.

[484] Yeah, clear shoulder straps.

[485] I mean, it's...

[486] Look at the Twitter, the tweet...

[487] Oh, sorry.

[488] Kayla Lemieux is conclusive proof that trans women are women and that there's absolutely no connection between trans activism and mental health issues or misogyny.

[489] Sure.

[490] Conclusive.

[491] Yeah, well, obviously that's satire.

[492] Obviously.

[493] Yeah, but it's...

[494] I would have never imagined if we went four or five years ago.

[495] I remember when I had Peter Bogosian and James Lindsay on the podcast years ago, people were saying to me, like, why are you concentrating on this?

[496] Like, this is some stuff that's happening at universities.

[497] Why is this even a, like, why are you obsessed with this?

[498] And I said, because this is going to spill over into society.

[499] Like, you don't see this?

[500] It's like if we have barbarians that land in Hawaii, and they start attacking, marauding, and they get in their boats, and they start moving towards America.

[501] And you go like, well, hey, I think this is coming here.

[502] Why are you concentrating on that?

[503] This is only happening in Hawaii.

[504] No, they're fucking in the boats now, kids.

[505] They're in the boats, and now they've hit land.

[506] And now they're burning through tech industry.

[507] They're burning through so many corporations.

[508] Because all this craziness is an accepted ideology, in universities, so you let these children get away from their parents, fuck my mom and dad, my mom and dad are bullshit and they're racist and fascists and this now, and then they go to school, which their mom and dad paid for probably, or they got crazy student loans that they can never go away from, and then they infect these corporations.

[509] So you have these people that are in their 50s and 60s that are running these corporations go, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, what the fuck is going on?

[510] Exactly.

[511] This is crazy.

[512] You want a litter box in the bathroom?

[513] What?

[514] That's happening in tech companies, too.

[515] Yeah.

[516] You talk to, I've talked to a number of different CEOs who've very clearly expressed that their biggest headache in life is with our HR departments.

[517] Yeah.

[518] Activism.

[519] What in the world are we doing here?

[520] That's what, you know, you started this by saying like, how did we get here?

[521] Yeah.

[522] What you just outlined is exactly how we got here.

[523] So much of this has been happening already, you know, for decades in some of these incredibly, I don't even know what you call them.

[524] in a lot of the universities.

[525] And then you start seeing it, okay, well, here's the boundary today.

[526] Okay, cool, got that.

[527] We're going to shift it.

[528] We're going to shift the goalpost.

[529] Okay, cool, got that.

[530] We're going to shift the goalpost.

[531] We're going to shift the goalpost.

[532] It never ends.

[533] It doesn't.

[534] It never ends.

[535] And that's where the thing that I, you know, people weren't against in the past, but it's hard to imagine that it would be possible, certainly within our lifetimes, the normalization of pedophilia.

[536] Yes.

[537] What you said, the minor attracted persons and don't stigmatize that.

[538] You know, we're all people.

[539] We should all be allowed to celebrate ourselves and all this other crap.

[540] We're talking about kids.

[541] Yeah.

[542] And how a lot of these same people who are saying, hey, if you refuse to use pronouns, you're fired.

[543] A friend of mine in a huge New York law firm, corporate policy is you have to put your pronouns in your email signature block.

[544] Or you will have to talk to the HR department.

[545] And he's like one of the partners at this law firm.

[546] He's like, this is bullshit.

[547] Now, why do they make that distinction?

[548] What kind of pressure force them into having something as crazy as like, you have to have your pronouns?

[549] I don't know.

[550] I think that it's driven by fear.

[551] But what percentage of the people are having a problem identifying something?

[552] someone yeah without pronouns yeah like how many people are we talking about i would imagine it's a very small number it's a very small number it just the number of people that identify as trans is higher than it's ever been before which is really weird that that's not consistent and you could say well it's because they feel comfortable doing that because it's accepted part of society like maybe but according to abigail schreier who wrote that book irreversible damage right with young girls it's up an extraordinary amount like a preposterous amount where they have these clusters of girls who identify as trans in school where you get like eight nine kids yeah that just all in a friend group identify as trans and she's like there's a very distinct possibility that this is a social contagion yeah and that this is that there are and without the denying that some people are trans because there are but it's like how do you know now because this is one of those incredibly bizarre human where it's open to interpretation like this guy or woman whatever with the giant rubber boobs can just say that they are a woman and everyone has to back off right because of that because of a lack of an ability to prove something now you're in this area where it's open to how someone feels exactly and that you could just decide well that's how you get male prisoners who go into female prisons and impregnate inmates.

[553] Which is so crazy.

[554] That's how you get male athletes who want to compete in women's sports, and when the women complain, they get kicked off the team and forced out of the locker room, which we're seeing, which is nuts, because it's just how you feel.

[555] Yep.

[556] I talked with Carla Sparza recently about this issue specifically, and I gave her great credit because she has been and continues to be very outspoken about how dangerous it is, especially in mixed martial arts, to have biological males competing against biological females.

[557] And, you know, she grew up competing on the boys' wrestling team in high school because there was no girls' team.

[558] And at that age, even, she was just like, yeah, I experienced the unfairness of it because, obviously, these boys are built very differently.

[559] And she's like, I'm stronger than the average girl, my size, but still.

[560] I couldn't compete at a level playing field, and then you take that forward to mixed martial arts.

[561] I know you've talked about this a lot about how actually dangerous it is.

[562] But the fact that it takes a whole lot of courage for a UFC champion, female UFC champion, to speak out and say, hey, no, biological males should not be competing against biological females.

[563] That's an act of courage in this society rather than just like, yeah, of course, she's stating fact.

[564] It's truth.

[565] but this is the problem is when you when you have this you know it's it's the democratic party leadership it's the and the uh you know progressive left that is so ideologically zealous about this cause because it's the cause today tomorrow it'll be something else they create this culture of fear that there will be consequences uh towards those who who differ and also that they just don't believe in truth and so whatever they say is true today is true today, whatever they say is true tomorrow is true tomorrow.

[566] But the danger of that is you take away all the boundaries of, you know, what is true and what is false.

[567] You know, you take away the boundaries of the things that science actually does prove.

[568] And what are we left with then?

[569] We have no foundation.

[570] And then we end up where we're at.

[571] Like, okay, well, today we're going to promote pedophiles.

[572] That's what we're going to promote.

[573] Today, you know, we're going to push books in public schools, kindergarten, first grade, third grade, fifth grade, that are causing your child to say, well, I don't know if I'm a boy or I don't know if I'm a girl.

[574] I saw some of these books that some of the parents in Virginia and other states are protesting at their boards of education, trying to get these books removed from their kids' schools.

[575] These books, like I thought, okay, how bad can it be?

[576] I saw them.

[577] And they are some of the most graphic images I have ever seen in my life.

[578] Yeah, including oral sex.

[579] Including oral sex.

[580] And this is targeted towards 12 -year -olds, 13 -year -olds.

[581] It's so strange that we've gone this far, like, into cuckoo land.

[582] And that it's happened so quickly.

[583] It seems like it's happened so quickly.

[584] But that's where if we actually stop and think about it, it has been very intentional.

[585] And the groundwork has been laid over time.

[586] Do you think it's intentional, like, planned out?

[587] Or do you think that there is an ideology that gets accepted?

[588] accepted, and then that ideology, it's like a forest fire.

[589] It feeds off new fuel, so it has to expand its boundaries.

[590] I think it's probably a combination of both.

[591] So if it is intentional, whose intention is it to spread this?

[592] People who, I mean, it's the very same people who are doing it now, I think, over time, trying to see how far they can push, you know, I mean, I mean, the sexualization of our kids in our society.

[593] You know, I don't know exactly who the person is or the group is or whatever, but we can't have gotten to this place by accident.

[594] Why not?

[595] Because it's happened so methodically and so quickly over time.

[596] Right.

[597] But if it's a mind virus, which what I think it is, and I think that these ideological perspectives that are not grounded in reality get accepted.

[598] accepted by people and then they promote it.

[599] These people are promoting it without any conversation with some cabal of evil leaders.

[600] It's clear there's a mechanism in play.

[601] And that mechanism is very easy to follow.

[602] You could see where it starts in universities.

[603] You could also see that in these universities, these people that are promoting these things and teaching children also grew up in the university system themselves and most of them don't have any real world experience.

[604] They have experience going from being in a university to teaching any university and then promoting these ideologies that are preposterous to the rest of the world as if they're smarter than the rest of the world and then that keeps spreading.

[605] It needs more fuel.

[606] So it keeps moving further and further to the left and further and further into crazy land.

[607] But I don't think, I think just by observing that, just by observing the fact that these people that are promoting these things, They're not being paid to do it.

[608] They're not, they're stuck in this, this mind virus.

[609] Yeah.

[610] And this woke mind virus, this ideological mind virus, is trackable.

[611] Yeah.

[612] You could see it.

[613] And you could see how it infects people.

[614] I've seen infect people.

[615] You know, I had this guy on the podcast, his name's Adam Conover.

[616] And he has a show, Adam questions everything, or Adam ruins everything.

[617] I don't know if you ever seen it.

[618] We got into the subject of trans people in sports.

[619] And, you know, and his position was, the most far left, far woke, I just think it would be great to be inclusive and this and that.

[620] I go, well, why do women have a specific category?

[621] Why can't men compete against women?

[622] Right.

[623] And then that's like the, that's where the record skips.

[624] Right.

[625] Because obviously there's differences, right?

[626] So what are the differences between a trans woman and a biological woman?

[627] Right.

[628] They're pretty fucking significant.

[629] Huge.

[630] They're huge.

[631] And if you want to actually study science, it's, I mean, if you had the science of that it's trackable right you could see it right like but in when it comes to the mind virus people don't ever want to accept that reality they want to go inclusivity yeah they say the words yeah they just say these words you're supposed to say or you get attacked exactly and they're terrified of being attacked exactly and and these are people who as you said they're they're not connected to reality don't have any um kind of personal experience I think I think I was shocked when I saw Megan Rappano basically say, I don't know what her statement was, but basically it was like, yeah, you know, there's no real difference.

[632] Like, okay, well, you already won your Olympic gold.

[633] Got it.

[634] So are you saying that you could have gone and won that gold competing against men on soccer field?

[635] You know, I have a friend who's a gay guy who's a power lifter and he was upset, that people were upset that trans women want to compete as women.

[636] And I was like, dude, at all the fucking people, you're a giant ass powerlifter dude.

[637] And all the giant people that, or all the people rather, that know there's a difference between biological males and females.

[638] It should be you.

[639] But in that LBG, T, whatever the other extra words are, there's a lot more now.

[640] There's like a plus in there.

[641] What's the plus?

[642] It's like, I think it's like the equivalent of et cetera.

[643] Anybody else?

[644] It's like L -G -B -T -Q -I -A, and don't ask me what they all stand for because I don't really know.

[645] And then it's the plus at the end.

[646] What could the eye be?

[647] Is it intersex?

[648] Yeah.

[649] Is it?

[650] What's the A. Asexual.

[651] Well, you don't even have a fucking dog in the game.

[652] I'm actually guessing.

[653] I'm actually guessing.

[654] I don't know.

[655] It could be something else.

[656] But if you're asexual, stay the fuck out of it.

[657] How is asexual lumped in there with gay men?

[658] That's a very good.

[659] Because gay men are the most non -a -sexual people alive.

[660] All they're doing is having sex.

[661] Like the fact that the asexuals.

[662] Hey, I'm not even in this conversation, man. Leave me out.

[663] of it.

[664] Is it asexual?

[665] The fact that gay men get lumped in with lesbians like lesbians and gay men don't necessarily get along that well because of that reason gay men are pretty fucking sexual and then you get down to asexual and then it's in the same group.

[666] And they're I mean you know gay and lesbian friends of mine don't get on with the whole like trans activism part either.

[667] I mean there's no this is not one you know what do you call it like monolithic group.

[668] Well they have to publicly support that because of that whole group, this whole lumping in of everyone together.

[669] That's why a lot of gay and lesbians support that.

[670] But a lot of them, if you talk to them, you know, specifically in my conversations with lesbian women, that lesbians have a real hard time with trans women entering into what is, in their mind, feminist spaces and then running things.

[671] and running things like a man and running things with threats and with aggression and insults and treating people the way biological men tend to treat people when they're behaving at their worst.

[672] Right.

[673] And, you know, that's a real giant issue because if you're a woman and you're a feminist, you're supposed to be ideologically left, you know, maybe even like far left in some of their eyes.

[674] And now all of a sudden you get lumped in with something you completely disagree with.

[675] It's before I left Congress, I introduced a bill called the Protect Women's Sports Act.

[676] What is a woman?

[677] Exactly.

[678] I am a woman.

[679] Just to make that clear.

[680] I could be one too.

[681] Don't get cocky.

[682] Yeah, I don't know.

[683] I'm going to put myself out there and disagree wholeheartedly.

[684] with that Joe Rogan.

[685] You are a big I can't believe it.

[686] Outrageous.

[687] Called worse things.

[688] We introduced this legislation.

[689] I introduced it with a Republican friend of mine named Mark Wayne Mullen from Oklahoma and he's got six kids, three of them are little girls.

[690] All of his kids wrestle and the bill was very, very simple in upholding the original intent of Title IX.

[691] She's playing Title IX to people.

[692] Title IX was passed Gosh, I think in the 70s, if I'm not mistaken, and it was a huge landmark piece of legislation because it provided a level playing field on the basis of sex, meaning males have opportunities, females deserve those same opportunities, whether it be in sports or in college, and in all public funded, in a public funding realm, essentially.

[693] where the federal government can impact it, it said there has to be a level playing field and equal opportunities.

[694] So people like my mom who grew up, she was very athletic.

[695] The only thing that was available to her in high school was cheerleading.

[696] And she did it.

[697] She was great.

[698] But she would have liked the opportunity to be able to compete in other sports.

[699] Carlos Spars, I think, is a more modern day example.

[700] There were no girls wrestling teams in her high school.

[701] She got a scholarship to wrestle in college on a girls team.

[702] And obviously, she has gone on to do amazing things.

[703] So Title IX was created recognizing that difference on the basis of sex.

[704] Democrats have championed Title IX and talked about this great accomplishment and passing this legislation for decades.

[705] And that's where it makes no sense.

[706] So our legislation basically just said, hey, we want to uphold the original intent of Title IX in recognizing the biological differences between males and females, period.

[707] they should not be competing against each other.

[708] The legislation didn't move forward for obvious reasons.

[709] We were excoriated for having the audacity to uphold the original intent of Title IX.

[710] And now what we're seeing with the Biden administration is administratively, not even through passing legislation.

[711] They're trying to backdoor this move to change the rules around Title IX to include gender identity rather than having it.

[712] be on the basis of biological sex to include gender identity and threatening schools that they will withhold federal funding unless they adopt this rule change within the Biden administration.

[713] Again, not running through Congress, not allowing the people's voices to be heard, but trying to backdoor this through and making threats to publicly funded educational institutions as a means of trying to implement this.

[714] Now, why do you think they're doing that?

[715] And is that public supported because the only thing that makes sense is politically they would do that because that would help them in terms of an election?

[716] Why else would they do that?

[717] There are polls that have been done that show not only a majority of Americans disagree with this, but also a majority of Democrats disagree with this.

[718] And so why they're doing it, they're catering to those ideal theological zealots within the Democratic Party and trying to placate them in their radical policies and their extremes rather than actually standing up and saying, you know what, no, this is science, this is biology, and this is what's right.

[719] And oh, by the way, it's also, it would also be politically beneficial, given where the vast majority of Democrats and Americans are on this.

[720] But it's just wild that no one's pushing back.

[721] It's really wild, especially no one in the Democratic Party.

[722] They seem like they're captive by the furthest left.

[723] Yeah, it's true.

[724] And that doesn't make any sense to me. Because if the majority of Democrats, and I agree with that, the majority of people that I know that are on the left don't think it's fair, why are they doing it then?

[725] Because that seems like that would be an unpopular position.

[726] Not just an unpopular position, but horribly unpopular for people that have daughters that compete in sports.

[727] Exactly.

[728] Like, if you're a daughter and you're competing in that Connecticut track and field team where those two biological males are breaking world records, like, that's crazy.

[729] It is.

[730] Like, at what point in time do you not understand you're denying a child of a fair future?

[731] You're denying them a potential scholarship where they could go to a university and pursue an education.

[732] Like, you're fucking them up because of this thing that doesn't even affect you.

[733] Exactly.

[734] You're just doing it for this cult -like.

[735] ideological perspective.

[736] Exactly.

[737] And that's the danger of it is the people in charge of the Democratic Party, whether they actually hold positions or they just are influential in the Democratic Party, have created this cult -like atmosphere and fomented this fear so much so that people who are really in a position to impact this, to stand up against it and say, hold on, guys, this is literally insane and needs to stop, they're too afraid to do so because of what the ramifications will be.

[738] The Democratic Party of the past, the Democratic Party that I joined doesn't exist anymore.

[739] The party that was, you know, the party of JFK of Dr. Martin Luther King, the party of inclusivity, the big tent party that welcomed and encouraged this marketplace of ideas and conversations and people who held different views, the party of, you know, the championed women and equality and the rights of people in our society, that party just, it doesn't exist anymore.

[740] And instead, we have a party that's being led by people who have gone insane with this ideological fanaticism.

[741] And there are a lot of different issues, a lot of different examples, you know, the whole issue of biology and the trans issue is just one of them.

[742] There are so many different others.

[743] You know, parents don't have a right to raise your kids now.

[744] You don't have a right to say what they're being taught in schools now.

[745] The state, the government, the teachers' unions, only they have that right in responsibility.

[746] They're undermining families.

[747] They don't believe in the rule of law.

[748] Defund the police.

[749] The Supreme Court, we don't agree with them.

[750] So they're illegitimate.

[751] There's so many different examples of.

[752] these ideologues who have taken control of the Democratic Party, who don't actually care about the people, it's all about themselves, their power, and they're maintaining control.

[753] And that's the real threat to our democracy that they pose is they don't believe in freedom of speech.

[754] They don't believe in freedom of thought.

[755] They don't believe in freedom of religion.

[756] All they believe in is you've got to buy into whatever they're selling at any given day.

[757] And like I said, not only, it's not enough to agree.

[758] You've got to go out there.

[759] You've got to march in the parade.

[760] You've got to carry the sign.

[761] You've got to scream and yell.

[762] And don't you dare even think about talking to Republicans.

[763] Don't even think about working with Republicans because that directly undermines their authority.

[764] And frankly, Joe, this is something that I've been trying to fight against within the Democratic Party back when I was vice chair of the DNC for years.

[765] And it's gotten to a point where those who have been in charge for a long time remain in charge are not willing to change.

[766] And so I'm leaving the Democratic Party.

[767] Is that this big announcement?

[768] Yeah.

[769] You're leaving the Democratic Party because I've tried to enact that change from within.

[770] It's not, I, I, I don't see the Democratic Party as being savable.

[771] And I know that I can make an impact more from the outside.

[772] And I, and frankly, I just, I can't be associated and stand by this insanity that's been going on and continues to worsen day by day.

[773] Are you going to be an independent?

[774] Yep.

[775] So that's how you're moving forward.

[776] Yep.

[777] What, what is it about this country that is so, politically married to having two teams and two teams only.

[778] And how do we fix that?

[779] Because there is very little room for someone who's a third party candidate to be taken seriously in this country.

[780] And when you do vote for a libertarian, you do vote for an independent, many people think of it as a protest vote.

[781] Spoiler, right?

[782] Yeah.

[783] Or at the very least, you say, you know, that's why I voted for Joe Jorgensen.

[784] That is me personally, why I did.

[785] Because I was like, this, I'm not voting for him and I'm not voting for her.

[786] Yeah.

[787] Fuck this.

[788] And then I'm not voting.

[789] Or that was, with this one, it was Biden actually.

[790] But that was also why I was voting for Gary Johnson.

[791] It was like, I'm not voting for her and I'm not voting for him.

[792] I'll vote for that guy if it doesn't know where a Lepo is.

[793] That's right.

[794] I forgot about that.

[795] But I don't, that's, that wasn't that big of a deal to me. That to me was like.

[796] It seems like, I mean, it was a big deal at the time, but it seems like so minor now compared to, you know, our vice president standing at the.

[797] DMZ saying we are great allies with North Korea.

[798] What a fuck up that was.

[799] And that didn't even make the news.

[800] People barely talked about it.

[801] Our great partnership with North Korea.

[802] Like what?

[803] North Korea?

[804] Yeah.

[805] And not, she didn't even stand there and be like, I'm sorry, I misspoke.

[806] Right.

[807] No. Well, sometimes people, like, you don't realize your, I do that all the time.

[808] Like, Jamie will correct me all the time.

[809] Well, I'll say something that I thought.

[810] I thought I said another thing.

[811] Right.

[812] He's like, you said that.

[813] I go, oh, did I?

[814] Oh, I didn't mean that.

[815] I meant the other thing.

[816] Because you just, it's just a flub.

[817] Yeah.

[818] I haven't, I, I guess the problem is it comes in a long line of flubs.

[819] She's terrible.

[820] She is absolutely terrible.

[821] And that is, for you, that is where, like, everything sort of soured with you and the Democratic Party was when during the debates, where you accurately pointed out her record.

[822] Yeah.

[823] And you basically sank any hope that she had of being president because you opened up this discussion that many people were not aware of about a prosecution record and the things that she's done that are absolutely illegal.

[824] Like forcing people to work as labor, as cheap labor for the state to fight wildfires after they're supposed to be released.

[825] They did their time.

[826] They did their time and she kept them in prison to use them essentially as slave labor for the state, putting their own lives at risk.

[827] forcibly.

[828] The thing about my exchange with her on that debate stage, and you take a step back, you got a question, like, all of those things I brought up on her record, you easily Googleable on the first page when you look at Kamala Harris' record, all of those things.

[829] I'd have to dig very deep to see what those issues and problems were with her record.

[830] So then the question is, hey, why didn't anybody in the media ask her these?

[831] questions about the record that she said, I'm so proud of my record as this and as that is that.

[832] All right, cool.

[833] Talk about this.

[834] This is your record.

[835] Talk about these things.

[836] No one in the media did that.

[837] There's no other candidate on the debate stage who had the balls to bring that up.

[838] How are voters supposed to be able to make their best informed decision when the media and fellow Democratic candidates who are running, who are her opponents in that race?

[839] don't have the courage to ask a very factual question on a record that she says she's proud of.

[840] Do you think that there's a concerted effort to hide that information, or do you think that people recognize that that's a trap?

[841] Like if I do that, then it's going to fuck up my future.

[842] They're going to not want me to participate in certain things, which most certainly happened to you.

[843] Yes, that most certainly happens.

[844] And that shows the double standard.

[845] I don't know why no one had the courage to ask her those questions, why I was the first person to do it.

[846] If I had to guess, I would imagine it's because she's got friends in high places.

[847] I would guess it's because she's a woman of color and no one wants to be seen as the person attacking a woman of color who's running for president.

[848] They got no issues attacking me on a whole host of fronts.

[849] But because, again, she was connected.

[850] She's playing the game.

[851] She's somebody that the Democratic Party knows that they can control.

[852] And that was the thing for me is, and it started years before I ran for president, is once the Democratic, I went to got elected to Congress and they were like, oh, she's the first this.

[853] She's the first that.

[854] She's cool.

[855] She's going to be one of us.

[856] We'll put her forward.

[857] And, you know, she'll be a great new face of the Democratic Party, all these things.

[858] But then very quickly, they realized, like, I mean, I've always been an independent Democrat.

[859] Every race that I've ever run, whether it was for city council in Honolulu or for the state legislature or for Congress, I was never like the party pick, ever.

[860] I never won any of those races with the Democratic Party saying, all right, hey, we're going to back you up.

[861] We're going to send you money.

[862] We're going to send the troops out to support you.

[863] None of that.

[864] It was always been a truly grassroots campaign of the people, which is amazing.

[865] They found out very quickly like, okay, she's not somebody that, you know, the puppet masters can control.

[866] She's not just going to read the talking points when she goes on TV or stands on the house floor.

[867] And that's where things started to take a turn where those who are in those positions of power said, okay, she's somebody who could expose our weaknesses, expose our insecurities, expose the hypocrisies and our arguments and started to create that distance and then resorted to the smear and the discrediting and the attacks.

[868] and then ultimately, like, total media blackouts.

[869] It's amazing when I talked to people, and it happened recently with Alex Berenst, and he was like, isn't she crazy?

[870] I'm like, what's crazy?

[871] How's she crazy?

[872] Tell me how she's crazy.

[873] And then no examples.

[874] I'm like, well, why are you saying that?

[875] Like, why does someone say?

[876] He's like, yeah, actually you're right.

[877] Like, I don't have an example.

[878] I'm like, isn't that weird that you just like have, and he's a journalist.

[879] I mean, work for the New York Times.

[880] And it just, isn't she crazy?

[881] Yep.

[882] Yep.

[883] accepting that and that's how they do it wild that's how they do it is is like hey let's just plant a seed of doubt or suspicion so that most people I mean as a journalist he's got no excuse but most people don't have um just I'm honestly they don't have the time that they hear one thing they're like shoot like I got kids I got work we got soccer games we got this we got that and you want me to do research like wait what right and you want me to do research from multiple different platforms exactly so that I get an unbiased perspective, or at least an objective perspective based on multiple sources of information.

[884] It's like it's such a bizarre system that we have, and it's so easy to rig because there's only two parties, and both parties are controlled by these gigantic special interest groups.

[885] gigantic special interest groups corporate for -profit media big tech and then the powers in both parties and that's where i'm glad you use the word rig because it's an important word and usually when you use it people aren't thinking of it in the way that we're talking about it's what i experienced during that campaign is that collusion between those very very powerful entities to decide before voters even get a chance to be exposed to different candidates to choose from, they decide, all right, here are the candidates.

[886] Here's the people that we're going to, you know, we think will be all right.

[887] We think they're going to play the game and we'll promote them.

[888] We'll say nice things about them.

[889] Maybe throw in a tough question here or there just to not blow our cover, but these are the people that we want voters to choose from.

[890] And these other people are the ones that we're going to try to either just slide into the darkness and hope nobody notices them or if people are noticing them, we're going to do everything that we can to smear them and undermine their credibility so that when they do speak, you get that kind of reaction from Berenson.

[891] Did you notice an immediate change in the way people communicated with you before that debate versus after that debate?

[892] That was one of the factors.

[893] That was one of the factors.

[894] The interesting thing to me was that I heard from some friends who were sitting kind of in the green rooms and backstage for some of the major cable networks at that moment live when it happened on the debate stage there was a whole bunch of people cheering and like holy crap that just happened yeah but probably within within an hour maybe 30 minutes of the debate being finished and going into the media room where they you know the you've got the post debate, all the interviews and all those things happening, immediately it was like, okay, no, we've got to change the narrative because we can't allow that to stick.

[895] Is there any courting of you by the Republican Party?

[896] Not that I know of.

[897] You have no interest?

[898] No, no. I mean, look, the Republican party, I mean, what is the Republican Party today?

[899] You know, I've got Republican friends who don't like to be associated with each other because they're in different factions of the Republican Party.

[900] I think that you know, when you look at the two, I think there's potential there for that party.

[901] That's the Republican Party is kind of turned more towards populism and actually fighting for working people.

[902] It's a, you look at a recent vote that was taken, you know, on the issue of foreign policy and war in peace, the Republican Party had like, I think it was 50 members of Congress voted against that massive multibillion dollar funding package for Ukraine and have been saying, hey, we shouldn't be waging this proxy war against Russia, or at least we need to have a debate or accountability.

[903] Zero Democrats voted against that.

[904] So you look at, you know, the Democratic Party that used to have people who, you know, protested the Vietnam War and others.

[905] Now, I mean, the Democratic Party leadership is very strongly within the grips of the military industrial complex and advocating for more war and you have more Republicans.

[906] And I think even Trump, this was this was Trump's instinct when he ran for president and he was president was like, hey, we shouldn't be, we shouldn't be going and being the policemen of the world.

[907] We shouldn't be going around the world and starting all these wars.

[908] I think the problem with him was he surrounded himself with people who held a diametrically opposed view.

[909] You know, Mike Pompeo, Nikki Haley, John Bolton people who never saw a war they didn't like and advocated for.

[910] So there's movement.

[911] There's movement happening within the Democratic Party leadership is going crazy.

[912] I think the Republican Party is, I don't know.

[913] I think they're trying to figure out what they're doing.

[914] Yeah, I mean, I think if they had someone like Ron DeSantis who seems to be like the most reasonable amongst the potential candidates, he seems to be, you know, a pretty no -nonsense guy, not without his flaws, but he's more reasonable than anything that I'm seeing on the left.

[915] Yeah.

[916] At least with his, the way he handled COVID.

[917] Yeah.

[918] You know, it's just, it's one of those things where as it's all playing out, there's this sense of hopelessness.

[919] Because there's not like a clearly defined path where this country's ship gets righted.

[920] It's like I just see a lot of chaos and a lot of confusion and a lot of infighting.

[921] And I don't know how this plays out.

[922] It doesn't seem like there's a real clear, oh, this is our path to sanity.

[923] You're right.

[924] And I think the first step towards that path though is, people recognizing what the insanity is and the problems.

[925] And I think that more and more these things are coming to light.

[926] I can tell you, I mean, I know there are a lot of Democrats that feel the same kind of frustration that I feel with the Democratic Party leadership.

[927] Often quietly.

[928] Yes.

[929] Yeah, there's a lot of quiet disagreement where people are just like, I don't, I'm not voting for Trump, but what the fuck are we doing?

[930] Right.

[931] And I think there's that in the Republican Party as well.

[932] Yeah.

[933] And so I think that that creates opportunity for us as a country to get out of just this two -party system mindset and this mindset of fear that drives so many of the elections where instead of saying like, hey, I'm running for president because this is how I'm offering to lead the country.

[934] This is how I'm offering to serve the country.

[935] Here are the things that I will do.

[936] Instead of that, we are kind of relegated to, hey, vote for me or vote for my party because the other guy is the devil.

[937] Right.

[938] And really treating voters like we're idiots and we don't care or have the intelligence to actually look at, okay, here's where you stand on this issue.

[939] Here's where this other person stands on this issue.

[940] I'm going to make my decision not based on party, but actually based on, hey, who best reflects my values?

[941] Who is actually going to put the country first, the interests of the American people and the country first?

[942] And not just the people who say the words, but the people who actually have the record and the policies to back that up.

[943] And so I hope that this is the direction that we're moving in as more and more people get disillusioned.

[944] with leaders in both parties who care more about their own political ambitions and their own party's power than they actually do care about the American people.

[945] It seems like part of the problem is that that attack style of politics works.

[946] Like, just think about someone saying, oh, she's crazy.

[947] Like, okay, how is she crazy?

[948] But that's a narrative.

[949] And it gets out there because they attacked you.

[950] So, like, that stuff works.

[951] That's what's unfortunate.

[952] is that instead of to make it, like if there was an incentive to say these are our plans and this is how we can implement this and just ignore negativity on the other side.

[953] Yeah.

[954] This is what I want to do and I think that we are the best hope for the American people moving forward.

[955] Yeah.

[956] You know, when I was running for president at town halls that we held across the country, it didn't really matter where we were, whether it was a small town or a big city, middle America, East Coast, West Coast.

[957] One of the things that one of the media embedded reporters that would, you know, kind of follow us around everywhere we went, made an observation that I thought was pretty awesome.

[958] This reporter said, gosh, you know, I go to all these different campaign and candidate events.

[959] Yours is the only one where people walk out feeling hopeful and feeling inspired.

[960] And we had Democrats, Republicans and independents and libertarians at every single one of those.

[961] And it was because we talked about different issues.

[962] We talked about, you know, the threat of nuclear war.

[963] We talked about this new Cold War, the dangers of continuing down this path.

[964] We talked about things that they, education.

[965] We talked about how we actually talked about these things.

[966] Most days, I never brought up Trump.

[967] Because why?

[968] I'm running and I'm asking you, hey, let me have the opportunity to view and here's here's what we will do whereas with these other candidates these other democrat candidates who are running people left angry people left angry and that was their only goal was like hey how many lines against trump can we use that we know we're going to piss people off and motivate them through anger and fear rather than through hope and inspiration for what we can do together as a country that that's the direction that we need that we need to go and there there are a lot of things that that are issues that are of concern and treating people with respect and like they have intelligence and actually tackling those issues breaking through and being able to deliver that message to the American people I think is is the challenge I think people want it, but the media, the media does a really great job of kind of reducing, reducing things to their, um, their lowest kind of standard.

[969] Do you think that the biggest challenge, or one of the, I should just rephrase that, one of the biggest challenges, I believe, is the influence of money.

[970] And when you look at one of the, Dave Smith was on the podcast recently and we went over the defense budget.

[971] And I had no idea it was that much.

[972] It's such an insane amount of money.

[973] How can decisions be made that are not influenced by that money?

[974] When you're talking about whatever the, what was it, $1 .7 trillion, that is a preposterously huge amount of money per year.

[975] That was the 2022 budget apparently.

[976] What can be done to remove money from the equation of doing the right thing, doing the safe thing, doing the thing that's going to secure the future of America and put us in a good direction?

[977] It seems like money is so inexorably tied to all the political decisions that get made in this country, particularly when it has to do with foreign policy.

[978] When you're talking about, and you have been a very outspoken.

[979] and critic of interventionalist foreign policy and wars that are unnecessary and that put lives in danger and cost incredible amounts of money but enrich the coffers of all these corporations.

[980] And that undermine our own interests and security interests.

[981] Yes.

[982] And this is exactly what Eisenhower warned of when he was leaving office.

[983] Exactly.

[984] The military industrial complex.

[985] I mean, that is such a nefarious term.

[986] And to most people, it's sort of abstract.

[987] Like you hear that term, the military industrial complex.

[988] Like, if you go to the average person this treaty, even a well -educated person, like, define that.

[989] What does I mean?

[990] Like, how do they affect policy and change?

[991] And what's the defense budget?

[992] Like, how much money we're talking about?

[993] So things like funding the Ukraine war with Russia, please explain to people what that means and why we're sending so much money over to Ukraine.

[994] So let's start with that.

[995] Let's start with the military industrial complex.

[996] What is it?

[997] Who is it?

[998] It is these massive defense corporations who make all these different weapons systems from the smallest to the most powerful nuclear weapons and missiles.

[999] When we are at war, they make a lot of money.

[1000] When politicians, even if we're not at war, but are threatening that we may go to war, they make a lot of money.

[1001] And these decisions are not made within the context of, hey, what is our military actually need?

[1002] What do we need to ensure that our military is ready to defend our country and our national security interests?

[1003] It is very often what members of Congress are advocating for, even more than the military is asking for sometimes because of those cozy relationships with the military industrial complex with these massive defense contractors and their lobbyists.

[1004] So there's a direct correlation as the money is changing hands there.

[1005] The problem is not with the Democratic Party, the Republican Party.

[1006] On this issue, when you see there's so much divisiveness on tons of other issues facing our country, everything from infrastructure to education, all these other things, you see like, oh my gosh, Democrats and Republicans can't agree on anything.

[1007] This issue of putting our country in a continual state of war is supported by leaders in both parties and the majority of people in both parties.

[1008] And it's directly tied to the military industrial complexes influence and tied to people who, you know, want to act and look tough, but aren't asking the most important questions like, okay, if we do this, will this help the American?

[1009] people or hurt the American people.

[1010] If we vote to, you know, send these billions of dollars to Ukraine, is that strengthening our national security or undermining it?

[1011] You'll hear a lot of rhetoric, especially recently, saying, hey, if we've got to send all this money to Ukraine, otherwise, Russia is going to come and attack us here.

[1012] Otherwise, our national security will be undermined.

[1013] So they say all these things to foment fear in people's minds, but they're not rooted in reality.

[1014] So what we're seeing play out now is essentially a proxy war.

[1015] U .S. is engaging in a proxy war with Russia using Ukraine as their military.

[1016] So the U .S. and some European countries, predominantly the U .S., though, are providing billions of dollars in funding, weapon systems, and so forth, and essentially waging this war using the Ukrainian military.

[1017] military and people as their chess pieces in this geopolitical chess game, the ultimate objective being regime change with Russia.

[1018] And you can see years before, obviously, Russia's invasion in Ukraine, this anti -Russia sentiment has been building up by the permanent Washington establishment and laying the groundwork, and this was the opportunity that they saw.

[1019] It's put us in the most dangerous position we, the American people, and the world has ever been in, in that we, a nuclear war could break out in a week, in 30 days.

[1020] We are staring over the precipice of that nuclear brink now more than ever before.

[1021] We're hearing language coming from Putin, from Medvedev, from different Russian nationalist leaders saying, no, Putin, you should go and use those nuclear weapons.

[1022] Whether they're the tactical nukes or the strategic nukes doesn't matter.

[1023] There is no way to win this.

[1024] That would spark a nuclear war.

[1025] It would spark World War III.

[1026] And the result of that is destruction of the world.

[1027] It is destruction of the world as we know it.

[1028] And, you know, I hate to paint such a bleak picture, but this is, people need to know that this is the reality that we're facing, that our leaders have pushed us and led us to this brink of nuclear war.

[1029] They have their own bunkers and ways to protect themselves.

[1030] There is no shelter for the American people.

[1031] I think it was last time I was here, I talked to you about the, you know, the, you know, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the.

[1032] the nuclear scare that we had in Hawaii and how, you know, this message went out to everybody saying, hey, missile incoming, you know, seek shelter immediately.

[1033] This is not a drill.

[1034] What everybody found out immediately is there is no shelter.

[1035] There is no shelter.

[1036] There's no place to go.

[1037] There's no place where you can take your loved ones and your kids to be protected not only from the blast, but the fallout and the lack of food and water and everything else that comes after.

[1038] New York New York City recently put out a PSA.

[1039] I don't know if you saw it, but it is literally a video ad that they put out saying, hey, here's what you do in the event of a nuclear explosion.

[1040] Why are they putting this out now?

[1041] Because of where we are as a country.

[1042] The problem is, as it shows in this video, their advice to the people of New York City is get inside, stay inside, and stay tuned.

[1043] That's it.

[1044] So they're doing to what?

[1045] The radio, I guess.

[1046] I mean, what is even going to be available?

[1047] That's my point.

[1048] That is exactly my point.

[1049] There will be no power.

[1050] There will be no infrastructure.

[1051] There will be no, you know, you see what's happening in Florida right now with the recovery efforts after this hurricane just swept through and demolished it.

[1052] You think about that.

[1053] Multiply that by like, I don't know, 50 ,000 times the devastation is what we would see.

[1054] But we wouldn't have FEMA.

[1055] We wouldn't have these first responders who were able to actually go out and help people.

[1056] And the worst thing, man, the worst thing I said, when I watch that PSA, get inside, stay inside, stay tuned.

[1057] At the end, I'm assuming as an actor, they hired to do this, she looks in the camera and she's like, you got this New York.

[1058] Like, what in the world?

[1059] These people are creating this false sense of security for the American people saying like, oh, yeah, take shelter.

[1060] But there is no shelter.

[1061] We should watch that because it's so crazy.

[1062] It is insane.

[1063] Let's watch that, because it's...

[1064] So there's been a nuclear attack.

[1065] Don't ask me how or why.

[1066] Just know that the big one has hit.

[1067] Okay?

[1068] So what do we do?

[1069] There are three important steps that I want you to remember.

[1070] Big smile.

[1071] Step one, get inside fast.

[1072] You, your friends, your family, get inside.

[1073] And no, staying in the car is not an option.

[1074] You need to get into a building.

[1075] and move away from the windows.

[1076] Look at her smiles.

[1077] I know.

[1078] Big smile.

[1079] Step two.

[1080] Stay inside.

[1081] Shut all doors and windows.

[1082] Have a basement?

[1083] Head there.

[1084] If you don't have one, get as far into the middle of the building as possible.

[1085] If you were outside after the blast, get clean immediately.

[1086] Remove and bag all outer clothing to keep radioactive dust or ash away from your body.

[1087] step three stay tuned follow media for more information don't forget to sign up for notify NYC for official alerts and updates and don't go outside until officials say it's safe all right you've got this officials like who Rashida Tilly she's going to tell you like who's the officials people that they elected who who's going to tell you It's okay to go outside during a nuclear blast in the United States, something that's never happened ever and that we're completely woefully unprepared for.

[1088] Exactly.

[1089] You got this.

[1090] You got this.

[1091] She's so pretty, though.

[1092] Her big smile.

[1093] She's got a nice smile.

[1094] She's got a great smile.

[1095] That's probably they hired her.

[1096] That is a crazy thing to put out there.

[1097] First of all, because, like, what is it, what's the purpose of that?

[1098] Is that to reassure people?

[1099] Like, what is the purpose of that?

[1100] It's not to inform people because none of what she said makes any sense.

[1101] No. Oh, get in the middle of the room?

[1102] Oh, that's okay.

[1103] The outside's not good?

[1104] Just stay away from the window.

[1105] The middle's not going to be.

[1106] Because the radiation is not...

[1107] It just stays, but...

[1108] Yeah, doesn't move.

[1109] It's kind of like a fog machine.

[1110] Yeah.

[1111] You know, it just doesn't get inside.

[1112] Like, what?

[1113] I was in, I think it was after my second deployment.

[1114] When I came back to the Middle East, I went on a trip and did some travel through Eastern Europe and went and actually visited Chernobyl.

[1115] And it was astonishing to me even...

[1116] decades after that happened.

[1117] Because I was curious, I'd heard about it, and it's like, okay, went on this little bus and went out there, they gave us these radiation monitors, these handheld radiation monitors, so that wherever we were, you know, you could kind of test and see where the radiation still existed.

[1118] They're like, oh, you're going to see apple trees and things like that.

[1119] Don't eat any of the fruit because it's contaminated.

[1120] it is still contaminated decades later walking through the middle of the town I know everyone's seen the pictures and obviously now with that Chernobyl series I think that Netflix did more and more people know the story but you know walking through like the school and the classrooms where the desks and the books and the kids' shoes and the deflated basketballs everything is still there in the way that it was when people fled.

[1121] and had to evacuate when that nuclear plant melted down.

[1122] It was so eerie walking through there.

[1123] You could almost kind of feel the heaviness of what happened there.

[1124] And then as we were leaving after we left and were crossing back into Ukraine, we had to go through these, like, before we got on the bus, we had to go through these radiation, kind of like the thing.

[1125] you walk through in TSA, except it tests for radiation to make sure you're not actually bringing any contaminants with you back into society.

[1126] All of that is to say, like, this is what we're talking about.

[1127] So you see that kind of video and you see how completely out of touch it is with the reality of what could happen in the event of a nuclear attack.

[1128] And the fact that, you know, Russia's got, what, over 6 ,000 nuclear warheads.

[1129] The United States has over 5 ,000 nuclear war.

[1130] both countries making up 90 % of the total number of nuclear warheads that exist in the world.

[1131] And literally it would just take the flick of a match to spark this war off.

[1132] And that's where I say, okay, well, you hear President Biden say, well, this is Putin's war.

[1133] This is Putin's fault.

[1134] It's Putin who's the one who's solely responsible.

[1135] Well, the United States and some of these European NATO countries are fueling this war.

[1136] and need to provide the leadership to bring about a negotiated outcome.

[1137] That is exactly what needs to happen here to prevent the destruction of the planet and life, as we know it.

[1138] They're not doing that.

[1139] And in doing so, they are failing the American people and putting us in this position of not knowing where we're going to be in the event that this kicks off.

[1140] Do you think that whoever the powers it be and whatever the influence is from the military industrial complex that they are trying to prolong this in order to profit?

[1141] So they're trying to continue to fund Ukraine.

[1142] This gives them an excellent reason to ramp up budgets and keep shipping over weapons and arms.

[1143] They keep making more and more profit and just get us right to the point where it gets squarely.

[1144] Well, Putin won't do it.

[1145] He won't do it.

[1146] He won't do it.

[1147] But if he does it, there's no pulling back from that.

[1148] And the only reason why we would ever get to that point is because people are trying to make more money.

[1149] That is certainly a major driver.

[1150] I have no doubt about that.

[1151] I am concerned that we may have passed that point already.

[1152] You're talking about it.

[1153] You're talking about people pushing us right up, right up to the line and then just saying, well, you know, the whole theory of nuclear weapons is one of mutually assured destruction, right?

[1154] Like, there's no way Putin will ever launch this because of that fear of like, okay, well, we will all be destroyed if that happens.

[1155] And they're saying, you know, Putin is many things, but he's not crazy.

[1156] There's no way he's going to do this.

[1157] Well, they're talking about doing it.

[1158] they change their nuclear weapons policy so that according to their laws they would be authorized to use a nuclear weapon if they are facing any kind of existential threat whether it's coming from a nuclear source or not and and you look at um the situation that that Putin is in right now he's boxed into a corner he's lost face he uh he is he is in a place where he is he is in a place where he may feel like he has nothing else to lose.

[1159] And you find that same kind of mentality in people who are suicidal or people who are bullied or people who feel like their best option is a way out.

[1160] And so to say, to be so dismissive and say, well, you know, Putin's not crazy.

[1161] He's not going to, he's not going to do this.

[1162] It denies the reality of the position.

[1163] that he's in.

[1164] Also, doesn't he have cancer?

[1165] I don't know.

[1166] I've read different things about how he's sick.

[1167] Oliver Stone said that when he was over there, when he was filming Putin years ago, he had cancer.

[1168] And that he was being treated for cancer back then.

[1169] And he believes he still has cancer.

[1170] And there's all these rumors that he has cancer.

[1171] Yeah.

[1172] I mean, if he's terminal and he's slowly dying, that's a terrifying.

[1173] It is.

[1174] It's terrifying possibility.

[1175] It is.

[1176] The other argument, the other, the opposing argument is, hey, if we don't stop Russia now, then they will take over all of Europe and, you know, come at us.

[1177] And then we'll have to deal with them later.

[1178] The problem with this is you look at, you look at all the intelligence reports and things that were coming out in Russia first, was preparing to invade Ukraine and then invaded Ukraine.

[1179] This is what they were saying.

[1180] saying, right, is they're going to do shock and on Ukraine, take all of Ukraine, and then move on to, you know, other NATO allies and then to the West as a whole.

[1181] That has all been completely disproven.

[1182] And the intelligence community failed us as a country with those reports because we've seen how Russia's military has been depleted and destroyed in many cases.

[1183] And as far as, you know, taking over, they're having a hard time holding on to a little sliver of of a non -NATO country that is directly their neighbor right now, what to speak of being able to go and take over Ukraine and move into other countries.

[1184] So, you know, these arguments that they keep making to justify sending billions and billions more of our taxpayer dollars to fund this proxy war, there is no justification because it is undermining our economic security and it's undermining our national security and putting us and the world in a place where nuclear war in World War III could be imminent, imminent.

[1185] Not like, oh, a far future possibility.

[1186] Total destruction of the planet is imminent if this occurs.

[1187] Our leaders are completely failing us because they've got the power and the ability to be able to de -escalate and pull us back from the brink, but they're failing to do so.

[1188] And do you think that they're failing to do so because that would be.

[1189] cut off the gravy chain?

[1190] That's certainly part of it.

[1191] That's certainly part of it.

[1192] This is something, and I'm bringing this up because no one else is talking about it.

[1193] I ran for president in 2020 warning of this outcome, seeing, hey, this is what's around the corner if you continue to wage these new Cold Wars.

[1194] I talked about it virtually every single day, brought it up in virtually every single interview, and the media refused to talk about it.

[1195] was never brought up in any of the debates and uh i was even told by a reporter like come on why do you keep talking about nuclear war here we are we are unfortunately in this place and and my concern is you know look the next presidential election is over what two years away over two years away we don't know what's going to happen next week or next month with this war the only way to stop this now is for the American people, people in Europe, people around the world, taking that direct action to make sure that our voice is heard and putting our, holding our leaders' feet to the fire to literally bring about an end to this insanity and save our future.

[1196] Did you ever see the video of, I forget who it was from the State Department, who was on the Colbert Report?

[1197] We played it the other day during the Dave Smith podcast.

[1198] And there was a guy who wrote a book, and this was in 2014.

[1199] And he was on the Colbert Report back when it was on Comedy Central.

[1200] And he was essentially bragging about how they are trying to lure the Ukraine.

[1201] We'll play it for you, just to watch it.

[1202] I did not see this.

[1203] Gideon Rose.

[1204] It's crazy.

[1205] First of all, before we play it, Here's one of the things that's crazy about it is that they're essentially bragging openly about foreign policy shenanigans that are just designed to try to undermine Russia.

[1206] And they're doing it on Comedy Central in a joking way while this guy's selling a book.

[1207] And this guy, we'll play it.

[1208] So you see.

[1209] What does he do again, Jamie?

[1210] What is his position?

[1211] Foreign Affairs is a...

[1212] Foreign Affairs Magazine is the magazine for the Council on Foreign Relations.

[1213] Okay, so let's listen to him.

[1214] Fix this mess.

[1215] Here to tell me how to reanimate Reagan is the editor of Foreign Affairs magazine, Gideon Rose.

[1216] Mr. Rose, thank you so much for being here.

[1217] There's the magazine, Foreign Affairs.

[1218] Now, Gideon, help me out here.

[1219] We've got a battle.

[1220] The Ukraine, some of them want to go.

[1221] into the EU, the European Union, and some of them want to stay with Russia.

[1222] If the Ukraine's not in Europe right now, what continent is it on?

[1223] Well, it's part of Eurasia, but it's part of Eastern Europe and the former Soviet bloc.

[1224] It's basically Robin to Russia's Batman.

[1225] And the challenge here, the challenge here is to try to attract it to the West, to get it to flip sides.

[1226] So the rebels in the streets, what are they fighting for?

[1227] They're fighting for a better future.

[1228] Countries have a development.

[1229] That sounds like a political speech.

[1230] No, but it's actually true.

[1231] Countries have to develop over time.

[1232] And Ukraine, basically, after the end of the Soviet Union, faced two tracks.

[1233] It could stay a sort of stagnant, corrupt, authoritarian country tied to Russia, or it could essentially join the West.

[1234] It could modernize, liberalize, become a democracy.

[1235] At the last minute, when it looked like it was going to trade up from its sort of abusive relationship with its boyfriend from the hood to a nice yuppie...

[1236] You're not loading these choices in any way whatsoever.

[1237] It's actually true.

[1238] When it looked like it was going to trade up to a better environment, at the last minute, Putin offered a bribe.

[1239] How much?

[1240] $15 billion.

[1241] That's a lot of cash, man. It's a lot of cash.

[1242] And the president, who himself was tied to the old elites and the eastern part of the country who ties to Russia, decided to back off the change and go join Russia.

[1243] Do you know how many pirate -themed restaurants you can buy it with $15 billion?

[1244] The problem was the western parts of the country and the younger parts of the country and the more modern liberal parts of the country basically knew that they had no future being Russia's vassal.

[1245] And so they took to the streets.

[1246] Is America taking sides in this in any way?

[1247] If these people, the rebels are winning right now, right?

[1248] Yes, just recently.

[1249] Why isn't Obama spiking the ball in the end zone and calling Putin and saying, hey, you might have won the medal count, but we won the country count, bia.

[1250] It's actually a very good question, and the answer is that we don't want Russia to intervene and kick over the table like a game of risk and take Ukraine back.

[1251] Would they do that?

[1252] Could he send in troops?

[1253] Yes, he could.

[1254] So we are choosing...

[1255] Does Ukraine have any troops of their own?

[1256] Would they fight back?

[1257] Yes, but we don't want this to escalate, and we don't want Russia to crack down.

[1258] So we want to basically distract Russia.

[1259] Oh, look, you have the highest medal count.

[1260] Oh, you did really well.

[1261] And, you know, focus on the Olympics.

[1262] There's a shiny object.

[1263] We'll just take an entire country away from you.

[1264] Basically...

[1265] Okay.

[1266] Now, this is a wild.

[1267] Yeah.

[1268] That's wild.

[1269] Yeah.

[1270] It's just wild that that's like a humorous thing that everybody thought was outside the realm of possibility.

[1271] And now here we are.

[1272] Right.

[1273] Right.

[1274] Eight years later, it's actually happening.

[1275] It is happening.

[1276] And you see the drivers of this, you know, when we talk about the military industrial complex, it's not just the United States.

[1277] Because the longer this goes on, the more NATO is strengthened.

[1278] I think two other countries, was it Finland and Sweden, have just joined NATO as a result of this.

[1279] These big arms deals are also happening with NATO.

[1280] The major producers of these weapon systems are coming from the military industrial complex here.

[1281] So there are a lot of interests that are pushing to build and strengthen this whole NATO complex.

[1282] And this war is giving them a great opportunity.

[1283] to do it.

[1284] There should have been a very direct and, you know, full -hearted attempt to de -escalate and try to negotiate an outcome to this conflict before it started or very quickly after.

[1285] But instead, what we saw was an influx of money and weapon systems, which helped further escalate this war and no attempt, no meaningful attempt at all towards an actual diplomat.

[1286] end to the conflict.

[1287] There doesn't seem to be any clear path to removing money from influence, especially this kind of money.

[1288] When you're talking about $1 .7 trillion for 2022, that's so much money.

[1289] It comes down to who we are choosing to elect, really.

[1290] Like, yeah, okay, we could, you know, yeah, Congress should pass legislation to prohibit lobbyists and PACs from giving money to members of Congress and candidates.

[1291] That's what should happen.

[1292] But it's not what's going to happen so long as these same crooks are in charge.

[1293] So where does that leave us as voters?

[1294] It leaves us with making a choice.

[1295] There are candidates from both parties right now who are running saying, hey, I'm running to serve you in Congress and I refuse to accept a single penny from a lobbyist or a corporate pack.

[1296] There are choices out there.

[1297] We need more of those choices of people who are not just saying, yeah, America first, I'll put country first, but then are going in the back door and making these shady deals.

[1298] People are actually backing up saying, yes, I'm here.

[1299] to serve you and only you, the American people, and backing it up with their actions.

[1300] So moving forward, like, you know, even Trump, one of the things, like, I don't know, I think, I believe it was with Steve Hilton.

[1301] He was having this interview.

[1302] And he started talking about the military industrial complex, about how these people want to go to war.

[1303] And it, you've never heard a sitting president say something like that.

[1304] No. And it was one of the things that I think is kind of interesting about Trump, is that he is such a loose canon that he'll say things like that, which is no one's going to say that.

[1305] Yeah.

[1306] But how do you stop that influence once a person gets into office?

[1307] Because it seems like obviously you never got into that spot, but it seems like once you get into that spot, there's so many moving pieces, and there's so much influence, there's so much money, and there's a lot of you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours, we're working together on this so that we can work together on that and we can open up the pathway for this if you open up that like how does that ever get resolved by electing a real leader who has a backbone and whose motive is to serve the country and not these interests you see it with the military industrial complex you see it with big pharma you see it with big insurance you see it with a lot of these different wall street um by electing a leader who has the back backbone and courage to stand up for the American people, that's how we start to make this change.

[1308] Because then that person who's elected as president, commander, and chief, then makes the decision of who's going to be the director of the National Security Council, who's going to be the Secretary of Defense, who's going to be the Secretary of State, who's going to lead all of these federal institutions, including the national security state, law enforcement, FBI, Department of Homeland Security, making those decisions and then going down.

[1309] not only those who you're pointing to those positions, but recognizing that those bureaucrats who've been there for a really long time and who are very cozy with all of these special interests, actually bringing about that institutional change that we need in order to clean out the system.

[1310] I'm not saying that this is an easy task at all.

[1311] It is a tough task, which requires a tough, strong leader to be able to do it.

[1312] That's why I ran for president, because I've lived through experiencing the cost and consequences of presidents and members of Congress who don't give a shit about the cost of war, not only on our military and our veterans, but on the American people and on the people in the countries where, you know, we've gone and waged these regime change wars in the name of spreading democracy and humanitarianism.

[1313] And meanwhile, we're destroying those countries and harming those people.

[1314] A leader who can actually fulfill that responsibility of Commander -in -Chief is what we need.

[1315] What insight, if any, do you have on what it must be like to take office?

[1316] Like the day of office.

[1317] I don't know if you, do you know Bill Hicks is?

[1318] Yeah.

[1319] A stand -up comic one of the greats.

[1320] And he died in like 90, I want to say like 93 or 94, he had this bit about what it's like the day you take office that he thinks you're in a smoky room and they show you an angle of the Kennedy assassination that you've never seen before.

[1321] And then they stop the projector and you just go, any questions?

[1322] Yeah, what's my agenda?

[1323] Like, what do I need to do?

[1324] Like, tell me what to do.

[1325] Because this is what people think is that once you get into office then.

[1326] because so many people had promises and campaign slogans and you go, okay, was Obama just lying?

[1327] Did he never have intentions to do those things?

[1328] Or once you get into office, do they appraise you of all the threats to the world?

[1329] Do they tell you, you know, what kind of influence the military industrial complex really has and how impossible it is to get the barbs out of the skin of the American people?

[1330] obviously I have not sat in that chair but what I will say is if if we elect a president who cares more about the title and the re -election and the power than they act than they do about actually doing the job to serve the American people in our country then yeah you can and you we will end up with a president who is easily bullied and kowtowing to these special interests, whatever they may be, told, oh, hey, look, if you make this decision that we don't like, whether it be the military industrial complex or big pharma, we're going to pull our support from you, or we're going to do this, or we're going to do that.

[1331] If that, that's not a leader, that's a follower.

[1332] What do you think happens to you if you go against the grain?

[1333] Like, imagine.

[1334] I've experienced it to a degree.

[1335] Right.

[1336] To a degree.

[1337] But imagine a person like, are you going to run as president as an independent?

[1338] The system as it sits today, that's not a viable option.

[1339] Are you going to run for option?

[1340] Because I think it was back when Ross Perrault ran for president.

[1341] Yeah.

[1342] As I think he was an independent, if I'm not mistaken.

[1343] And he was beating Bill Clinton in the polls.

[1344] You know, both parties saw that as a direct threat to themselves and got together and rigged the system to, to practically speaking, shut out a third option for voters.

[1345] Well, they shut him out, the commission for presidential debates, which is a privately funded institution, which most people don't know.

[1346] Yeah.

[1347] Which is kind of crazy.

[1348] That is, they changed the standards for the debates.

[1349] For the debates.

[1350] Yeah, they did.

[1351] And then also they changed the electoral college.

[1352] to make it so that if you have a viable third option, basically none of the parties will get the minimum number of electoral votes through this winner take -all system needed to actually win.

[1353] And then it goes to Congress, and then Congress will make that selection.

[1354] And so the electoral college system itself also needs to be reformed to one that is proportional.

[1355] So if I were to run for president and win 60 % of Texas, I would get 60 % of Texas's electoral votes rather than if you win a state, you get all of them.

[1356] All of them.

[1357] Right.

[1358] That makes sense.

[1359] When you say they changed the presidential elections and they changed the electoral college, like who's they?

[1360] The leadership of both parties.

[1361] So they decided that if we are threatened by a legitimate third party, this is how we can stop that in its tracks.

[1362] Yeah.

[1363] And so now a third party is essentially almost important.

[1364] possible?

[1365] As of today, yes.

[1366] It would be great to live in a world where that were not the case, but when you look at the practical application of our electoral system right now, it's not a viable path.

[1367] Are you going to run for any kind of office as an independent?

[1368] I'm not running for this very real and imminent threat of nuclear war that no one is talking about, that no one is preparing the American people for, that people are kind of sitting ducks because of the decisions that our leaders have made.

[1369] If I felt that there was a way that I could stop that and make a difference and impact that and pull us back from the brink, then yeah I'd seriously consider running again my concern though is like we don't know what's gonna happen and you know we we don't know if it's gonna be too late I see there's no way to argue with that that's that as you're saying this I'm like yeah yeah I mean I wish I had a counterpoint is it possible that this is it yeah but I don't this is not look good and I don't know how many people are even and really truly aware of how close we are.

[1370] Most people aren't.

[1371] Most people aren't.

[1372] And part of it is because, again, the media hardly covers it.

[1373] And if they do, they're talking about it as though it's like, you know, one missile system against the other.

[1374] They're talking about the waging of a nuclear war as though it can be won or as though there's some kind of limitation to the destruction and devastation that it will cause.

[1375] you know, going back to Reagan, he talked about how a nuclear war cannot be won and must never be fought.

[1376] You go back to, you know, JFK recognized the serious danger and risk of a nuclear war.

[1377] We go back to these leaders in the past from both parties who saw how dangerous a nuclear war would be and therefore took action to try to reduce the numbers of nuclear weapons in the world and try to put these nonproliferation treaties in place.

[1378] Almost all of those treaties have been stripped away at this point.

[1379] There is one left between the United States and Russia, the two largest nuclear powers in the world, and that is being eroded as we speak the longer this war continues.

[1380] So no, I think the American people don't largely know, and that's why it's so important to talk about it, because as we sit here today, like that's the only that's the only thing that'll make a difference at this at this point is people here in the United States people in Europe people around the world stepping up speaking out making sure that our voices are heard taking action to say no absolutely not we need our leaders need to look out for our lives our futures our country this planet and negotiate an end to this war and prevent destruction of this planet.

[1381] There's also these very simplistic narratives that are going out now.

[1382] Like, you have to support Ukraine, put a Ukraine flag in your Twitter bio, and I see so many people doing that.

[1383] And then Russia invaded Ukraine, so supporting Ukraine is important, so we should send money to Ukraine.

[1384] And that's it.

[1385] Yep.

[1386] And don't ask questions.

[1387] Don't ask how that money is being spent.

[1388] Right.

[1389] Don't question the corruption that everybody knows exists in Ukraine.

[1390] Don't question where those weapons are going.

[1391] Don't question, you know, what the actual real -life ramifications are to our national security as a country, to our future, given nuclear war is on the line.

[1392] What to speak of the direct economic implications we are already feeling with, you know, gas prices, hiking in many places in the country, increased inflation, you know, supply shortages, food shortages, the UN's food guy.

[1393] I can't remember his official title, but he's already sounded a warning saying that this war is causing an unprecedented threat of global starvation.

[1394] Global starvation.

[1395] So the ramifications of this, people are just like, okay, go to war and here's more guns and here's more weapons.

[1396] And instead of actually being leaders and advocating for peace and a negotiated resolution where yes, Ukraine's going to have to give up something, Russia's going to have to give up something.

[1397] That's literally what happens when you negotiate an end to a war.

[1398] You can look throughout history.

[1399] Nobody walks away completely happy.

[1400] But that's what needs to happen for the sake of humanity at this point.

[1401] And our leaders are are failing to do so.

[1402] And so we're at a point where the future is in our hands.

[1403] And what are we willing to do?

[1404] I'm going to ask you a difficult question.

[1405] What do you think is going to happen?

[1406] If we continue down this path that we have seen where we have seen this war continue to escalate since the invasion happened, we will end up in World War III and a nuclear holocaust.

[1407] If nothing else changes, and we continue down this path, this is where that path leads.

[1408] And it's not some far -flung possibility.

[1409] They're talking about this now.

[1410] It's very difficult for people to live in a world without nuclear war, to live in a world where you get up, your alarm clock goes off, you go to work, you drive the same way every day, to imagine the eradication of all.

[1411] civility of all all the things all of our structure in terms of all of our just everything from all of our civil liberties to all of our roads and utilities being gone yeah everything eradicated almost instantaneously yes and living in a lawless structureless society where people are scrambling for food and dying of radiation poisoning if you're lucky if you're lucky because those are the lucky ones who survive who survive exactly and how long that radiation contamination lasts hundreds of thousands of years it's it's an impossible scenario for people to put it in the radiation will last as long as homo sapiens have existed yeah which is wild yeah and so we we're in a position where you know, I'm sure the billionaires of the world have their, you know, deep bunkers with food sources and water sources.

[1412] Do they even though?

[1413] Do they even?

[1414] I got to believe that they do.

[1415] Have you ever heard of one?

[1416] I know that, I mean, look, I know there are contingencies in place for our politicians at the highest levels should this situation occur so that they can continue to manage and wage the war from another location.

[1417] What do you make of the pipeline blowing up?

[1418] Because now people are saying that the pipeline, whoever did it, they did it intentionally.

[1419] And what do you think that's all about?

[1420] War is unpredictable.

[1421] And so that this occurred should not have been a surprise.

[1422] I don't know who did it.

[1423] I haven't seen any evidence to point in one direction or another.

[1424] other, you know, Russia's got the financial investment in that pipeline.

[1425] So I don't know, somebody's done the numbers.

[1426] I don't remember what they are, but how much money they lost in that with that explosion and that pipeline being sabotaged.

[1427] So I don't know who is responsible, but we should not be surprised that as this war escalates, that this sort of thing happens.

[1428] And it should cause everyone to wonder, okay, so this week it was a pipeline, a major energy pipeline being sabotaged, cutting off the ability for, you know, major countries in Europe as they head into winter from having that option.

[1429] Internet cables, deep undersea internet cables, GPS satellites, other necessary pieces of infrastructure.

[1430] not only to the United States, but to the world, what's next in this escalation of war?

[1431] And again, this is not just about something happening in Europe because, again, we've already seen in this past week, at least on the West Coast and other parts of the country, how gas prices have gone up, 50 cents, 70 cents, they're continuing to rise.

[1432] All of these things are directly connected.

[1433] And you mentioned the loss of civil liberties.

[1434] Let's say we get to a point where World War III is sparked because of this, but a nuclear weapon has not been used.

[1435] It's absolutely a realistic outcome to imagine some kind of martial law being implemented here in the United States because now we are a country at war and there are certain regulations and civil liberties that are being violated just like we've seen with the Patriot Act in the past.

[1436] we've seen recent examples of the country being shut down by the government in the interest in the public interest and so this these these outcomes are not just theoretical this is where we are headed if we don't change course yeah I'm concerned about all that and I'm concerned about the lack of understanding that people have about the implementation of things like a digital currency that is centralized, that's controlled by the government, that scares the shit out of me. Absolutely.

[1437] Because that's what we're, and Maxine Waters, who has been promoting this, said that we need this to compete with China, which is so crazy.

[1438] Yeah.

[1439] It's like saying we need communism to compete with communism.

[1440] Because that's what it is.

[1441] If you want to compete with communists, you have to be a communist.

[1442] Like what?

[1443] Yeah.

[1444] Like digital currency that's centralized by the state is terrifying because they'll connect it to a social credit score system.

[1445] Yeah.

[1446] If they connected to a social credit score system, Tulsi Gabbard, I don't like what you said on the Joe Rogan experience.

[1447] We're going to go and eliminate your ability to fly.

[1448] You can't fly.

[1449] You can't travel.

[1450] You can't buy gas anymore.

[1451] Which is what they do in China.

[1452] It's all within the realm of possibility.

[1453] And you look at that and what is the recent thing of, I think Elizabeth Warren was pushing for credit card companies to start tracking people who buy ammunition and firearms and report that to the government?

[1454] Visa has done this.

[1455] Visa is going to change the way they categorize gun sales so they'll put gun sales in a different realm of like just regular sales which is to let people know like hey we're watching yeah exactly and not just because like oh well I'm just curious no no there's a regulatory follow up action to that violation of privacy do you have any good news is anything happy you talk about Tulsi when you and I talk outside of this it's always very happy.

[1456] You're a happy person.

[1457] I am a happy person.

[1458] I'm full of Aloha Joe.

[1459] That's why I'm warning people about the impending doom of us of where our leaders are taking us.

[1460] And really it is that it's that care for each other and for our planet and our future that should require, that should encourage us to be involved and to be engaged and as disheartening as our election and politics can be, we've got to know that we have to be the change.

[1461] No one else is going to come and save us.

[1462] Our founders envision this country as a country of by and for the people.

[1463] Many in our government have forgotten that, unfortunately.

[1464] They're not going to wake up one day and magically remember.

[1465] It's up to us to bring about that change.

[1466] and the system that our founders set up for us.

[1467] It has its flaws.

[1468] We've got a lot of work to do on it.

[1469] You know, with the money, you know, lobbyists and PAC money, infecting our, corrupting our politics, you know, election integrity, making sure that, you know, people are actually trusting the system and that their votes will be counted as they were cast.

[1470] So there's work to do, but these changes can only come about when we are all informed and engaged.

[1471] in the process.

[1472] So one piece of news.

[1473] Last time I came on your show, I talked about launching a podcast.

[1474] I'm finally doing it.

[1475] Specifically to be able to really, you know, I'll go and do different interviews.

[1476] They're like four to five minutes long.

[1477] I have like, okay, cool.

[1478] I can say four sentences in that period of time, but to actually take a deep dive into examining like, hey, here are the challenges that we're facing.

[1479] Here's how we identify what the problem is.

[1480] and the cause and here are some of the things that we need to be able to do to solve these problems.

[1481] Yeah, that's the reality of conversations.

[1482] And, you know, I think it took until podcasts existed where people realized the value of talking about one particular subject for over an hour.

[1483] Yeah.

[1484] Like when we were talking about gender identity and the craziness of woke culture, like that's uninterrupted.

[1485] It keeps going on and on.

[1486] You could never do that.

[1487] a network television show.

[1488] You'd get interrupted by a commercial.

[1489] We'll be right back and the audience claps and like, this is madness.

[1490] You can't have a nuanced, important conversation about a subject that is very complex.

[1491] Exactly.

[1492] Quickly.

[1493] You can't do it quickly.

[1494] And really when you think about it, all of these different things, you might see a headline here, a soundbite there, there's always so much more to it.

[1495] And looking at, you know, different people's views and actually encouraging those conversations and and helping people just to understand um each other right as people yeah well the good news is people recognize that yeah and that's one of the reasons why podcasts are so huge yeah like the numbers that we get like off of this conversation will be so much bigger than any other conversation that you can have anywhere else which is weird right but that's why yeah it's because people recognize like, hey, this is not, it's not satisfying to watch these five -minute chunks on CNN where people talking over each other with three different screens, you know, three different boxes on the screen and everybody's yelling over each other.

[1496] All right, well, thank you for your input.

[1497] Bye.

[1498] Click.

[1499] We solve nothing.

[1500] Yeah, exactly.

[1501] You don't learn anything.

[1502] No insight gained.

[1503] See ya, bye -bye.

[1504] And here's Pfizer.

[1505] Right to you by Pfizer.

[1506] It's like, this is wild.

[1507] Like, this is a dystopian Mike Judge movie.

[1508] Yeah.

[1509] And it's not an accident that you never hear people on those channels saying, hey, you should be careful about what Pfizer is telling you because of the drugs of the vaccines or whatever it is they're trying to sell you and then cut to the Pfizer commercial.

[1510] It's not an accident that, you know, 75 % of all television advertisement is pharmaceutical companies, which is insane.

[1511] It is absolutely insane.

[1512] And we are one of two countries on earth that allows that.

[1513] The other one is New Zealand.

[1514] And New Zealand is much more strict than us.

[1515] Yeah.

[1516] And I mean, this is a huge other topic.

[1517] I know you've talked about a lot before, too, is like people talk about health care reform in America, but most people who talk about it aren't identifying the root cause of the problem, which is our entire system incentivizes sickness and obesity and people being unhealthy.

[1518] Our system is built around that.

[1519] It does not incentivize health and wellness and nutrition and prevention and fitness and again i mean this this who's making the money here yeah prevention's the big word and you know it's the problem is these corporations are always trying to make more money every year and if they go around telling you hey you know we'd make less money but you'd be happier yeah if you stop eating sugar and garbage and start exercising every day right right yeah there's no incentive it blew my mind during the covid pandemic era that Jen Saki at the White House refused.

[1520] She refused to say that, hey, nutrition and being healthy could actually help you if you get COVID, that the symptoms might not be so bad.

[1521] Did she refuse?

[1522] Like she was encouraged to say?

[1523] Somebody asked.

[1524] Somebody asked her a direct question.

[1525] You know, and I think this was censored around I think the CDC was saying that people who are obese, are more likely to have severe health consequences if they, if they catch COVID.

[1526] And so the reporter asked, and I don't know, I don't remember which outlet it came from, but the reporter said, so are you the White House therefore then advocating for nutrition and health in order to try to prevent that?

[1527] And she just said, we take all of our guidance from the CDC and the CDC says get vaccinated.

[1528] She couldn't even just say, well, yeah, of course, try to be healthy.

[1529] Yeah.

[1530] Well, she's a propagandist.

[1531] I mean, that's that job.

[1532] You're the propaganda arm.

[1533] Yeah.

[1534] But it's stuff like that, right?

[1535] It's stuff like that, that people see that and be like, what's wrong with you?

[1536] Like, are you a robot?

[1537] Right.

[1538] Why can't you say the thing that's obvious to everyone?

[1539] Well, if they really care, they would tell people supplement with vitamin D. Yeah.

[1540] They've been one of the first thing to say.

[1541] It's cheap.

[1542] It's not hard to do.

[1543] Yeah.

[1544] We have plenty of it.

[1545] Let's go.

[1546] And we know statistically that people are radically deficient in this country.

[1547] Yeah.

[1548] And lose weight.

[1549] It's not hard to lose weight.

[1550] In fact, it's cheap.

[1551] You eat less food.

[1552] And eat less money.

[1553] Eat healthier food.

[1554] Eat real food.

[1555] Yeah.

[1556] I mean, the percentage of people in this country that eat fast food primarily on a daily basis is crazy.

[1557] And that we've done nothing to, especially for lower income people, to make real healthy food available to them easily and readily.

[1558] And this goes back to that information where these norms have been created.

[1559] And I've had conversations with different people.

[1560] people recently somebody who was telling me about his experience like they were overseas and deployed and it was somebody's birthday and like one of the guys knew how to cook and he made this amazing orange cake like he actually went to the market and got oranges and made this cake from scratch like not even from a box and it was better than a cake from Walmart and my mind I'm like holy crap like why is it abnormal to make a cake from scratch where you put the flour And you put the sugar and you put the oil or whatever.

[1561] It doesn't come from a box.

[1562] That's why we're so crazy that things with preservatives that come from the store are normal.

[1563] Yeah.

[1564] And things that you just make out of actual food are not, even when it comes to like something like cake, which is not even good for you anyway.

[1565] Exactly.

[1566] Same thing as this other woman I was talking to.

[1567] And she's like gluten intolerant, newly gluten intolerant or like diagnosed with celiac.

[1568] She's like, I'm really having a hard time.

[1569] And, you know, there are certain foods I can't eat.

[1570] And I'm trying to cook for my family and this and that.

[1571] I was like, oh, I got a great gravy recipe because she'd be like, I can't eat gravy.

[1572] I was like, no, you can make gravy but use garbanzo flour instead of regular flour.

[1573] And you use this and you add this and you add that.

[1574] And she's like, you make gravy from scratch?

[1575] Oh, my God.

[1576] It's like, oh, my heart hurts.

[1577] It's crazy, right?

[1578] Yeah.

[1579] It's a sad, it's kind of a sad picture of where we are.

[1580] Well, that shit's all going to change.

[1581] If everything goes south, you're going to have to learn how to figure out how to get food.

[1582] Yeah.

[1583] And it's not good.

[1584] No. It's, I mean, there's so many apocalyptic movies and television shows out now, too.

[1585] It's like they're just, like, I mean, it's in the back of our head that this could all go away at any moment.

[1586] You know, the dystopian landscape, the destroyed buildings in the background, the gray skies.

[1587] Yeah.

[1588] I think the fact that politicians in the media are not talking about it should be a major red flag and a warning to everybody.

[1589] There's a reason why they refuse to talk about it.

[1590] And so it's up to us to learn about it and to use our voices to get them to do the right thing.

[1591] I think they're terrified that if they do talk about it, that it makes all these decisions and opinions very unpopular and that people are going to be scared about it.

[1592] it.

[1593] Yes.

[1594] So instead, they'll just have them talk about, you know, real simple.

[1595] Oh, the border's leaking.

[1596] Oh, look at the border.

[1597] Like, there's like all these different things that they can talk about.

[1598] If that.

[1599] Right.

[1600] If that.

[1601] Well, it's always the Republicans are talking about that.

[1602] Yeah.

[1603] But that's because they're not in power.

[1604] Yeah.

[1605] And if they were in power, it would be the Democrats that were talking about it.

[1606] And they'd find some reason why they're wrong.

[1607] Right.

[1608] Exactly.

[1609] Which is because it's just a political game of football versus people that are actually trying to change things for the better to make the country a healthier.

[1610] happier place to be yeah that's the key telsie you're awesome i always appreciate talking to you it's great to see you even though you depressed a shit out of me today and scared me to no end you're awesome and i appreciate you very much thank you i appreciate you joe all right we'll talk soon bye everybody