JRE MMA Show #5 with Stipe Miocic

[0] guy they're everywhere yeah you ohio folks stick together no messing around yeah what is it about ohio we live what is it about ohio all you ohio guys like ohio you're o 'clock we're cleveland columbus you guys all stick together that man's how we do it man uh just good people you know even when you won the title you're like cleveland we got a champ yeah oh hio what is it about ohio why is everybody love it so much i don't know man i just think it's the mentality of people they're just the people are awesome um you know i don't know it's just hard to explain i think you just got to live there like you know there's people that have lived in other states and move to cleveland or ohio and they're like man you know i get it now i see why you guys like you guys are so like in depth with each other you guys are awesome like you guys love each other like yeah man it just it's like it's like it's like Columbus in particular it's like one of my favorite places to visit it's like one of the it's it's like i get the weather sucks a lot i get it but the people are so damn nice like it's like overall it's like it's a really good spot yeah yeah actually i love columbus too i've uh i've had a bunch of uh blurry nights there well down there i went to brothers and all that good stuff but uh it's uh i love columbus too it's one of you know they're going down there and especially for like we go down to arnold and stuff like that right right checking it out and you know they have a couple of mma fights and and uh local shows too we have a lot of our coaches go down there for local mma shows remember when they used to the ufc with the columbus with the arnold yeah that was a big event that was a bit i wonder why that stopped that was always a lot of fun i remember the one time that strike force there that's when uh ron arsie was like sorry i suck at this this is my first podcast be gentle is it yeah really yeah how the fuck is the heavyweight champion of the world never been on a podcast before well i've been on a podcast like over the phone but not like oh live yeah yeah so um but i think it was uh strike force is when uh rousy and tate fought and it's when she dislocated her elbow yeah yeah was that one of it I think that was one of them.

[1] Yeah.

[2] I think so.

[3] Yeah.

[4] Back in the day.

[5] So what's it like walking around the UFC heavyweight champion in the world?

[6] How's that feel?

[7] Feels good.

[8] It doesn't really matter in my household.

[9] I'm like fourth on the ladder.

[10] It's my wife and the two dogs and then me. I'm there to just pay bills.

[11] It feels like that sometimes, right?

[12] Yeah.

[13] The money machine.

[14] But so is everything good now?

[15] You finally got a title fight.

[16] You finally got a real challenge.

[17] and Francis Ingano on January 20th.

[18] How do you feel about this?

[19] I think he's a great fighter.

[20] You know, definitely he brings it.

[21] It's hard, you know.

[22] But, you know, fortunately, nothing's going to change.

[23] I'm walking out with the bell still wrapped on my waist.

[24] I mean, you know, I'm excited for him.

[25] You know, he's going to get a shot.

[26] But as long as I'm here, no one's going to be champ.

[27] Damn.

[28] You have to have that mentality.

[29] What do you think about him that's unusual?

[30] What about him, other than the size and the strength?

[31] What stands out?

[32] I mean, it's power, I guess, you know, but I think everyone who's hard in the heavyweight division.

[33] I mean, 260 -pound man, 250 -pound man, I mean, you're not, you know, you're not supposed to be hit by something like that.

[34] You know, I fought JD, I fought JDS, I fought or Nelson.

[35] I found Marcant.

[36] I mean, I got guys who, you know, do hard.

[37] Yeah.

[38] You know, and, you know, he's just, he's a little wild, too, which is, that's tough, you know, sometimes you can't prepare for that because just there's punches you don't see.

[39] Right, the punch he hit Alistair with that wild left hook, swings wide.

[40] 100 % well i think that was a little bit of both on both ends i think over you know over him was just kind of being a little sloppy and then just put his face right in the lane and yeah did over him's got a weird style now right it's a it's a totally different style over the last couple of years you know but he does awkward stuff you know like when you fought him what did you how did you feel well when i fought him he was like very traditional moving around running but like kept you know keeping his distance i'm like oh cool it's a fight you know and then uh you know He tried that, oh, lunging, I don't know what kind of kicked to my thigh, and I grabbed it in time and took him down.

[41] But, you know, I mean, I didn't watch the whole fight with Nagano, but what I saw was he's doing all these wild punches.

[42] I'm like, you know, when he fought me, he was throwing straights.

[43] You know, he wasn't really, you know.

[44] I think with Ngano, it was almost like you felt like he could not get hit, which was correct, right?

[45] So he just decided to be just completely wild and unpredictable.

[46] I mean, through that wild lunging left hand to start the fight off and then got the clinch immediately.

[47] but wasn't able to do anything with it.

[48] Yeah, you know, I don't mean, I'll find out January 20th.

[49] I think I'll be all right, but, you know, I'm the best coach in the world.

[50] You know, I'm pretty confident to walk in there.

[51] You know, he's a big dude, throws hard.

[52] I mean, but that's every heavy weight.

[53] I mean, it doesn't take much.

[54] Well, the only time we've seen him on his back was, which fight was it that he got taken down?

[55] Curtis Blades took him down?

[56] Yeah.

[57] That was his first UFC fight, right?

[58] Yeah, that was an interesting fight, right?

[59] You got a chance to see.

[60] But it's hard to see when a guy's real young in MMA.

[61] It's hard to see a fight from three years ago or whatever that was and then look at him and say, well, that's the same guy today because it's not, right?

[62] Yeah.

[63] Yeah, I mean, I've definitely changed him the past couple months.

[64] Oh, for sure.

[65] You know, I think he's definitely gotten better.

[66] There's no question.

[67] But, you know, we'll see what happens, you know.

[68] Listen, I'm going out there for broke, you know.

[69] I'm going on through the win.

[70] You always do?

[71] Yeah.

[72] Now, this is January 20th, and right now, what was this, December 13th or something?

[73] what's the day?

[74] Second.

[75] Yeah, it's December 2nd.

[76] No, today's not the second.

[77] Oh, today I'm talking about their fight.

[78] Oh, no, today.

[79] Like, 13.

[80] 13?

[81] Yeah.

[82] So, like, how much time did you have to prep for this?

[83] Well, I've been prepping.

[84] I've been working out.

[85] I've been, you know, staying in shape.

[86] So did you have a feeling that January was going to be the card?

[87] Yeah.

[88] So, like, when the UFC lets you know, how do they do that?

[89] How does that work?

[90] Usually contact my manager, like, hey, you know, that's what we're thinking.

[91] You know, you think you'd be ready.

[92] So, you know, I was a little beat up after the JDS fight, you know, with my shin and everything, not just my shin, but I had other things and just had to heal up it until it took me a while.

[93] You know, everyone thinks I'm just trying to hold on to the belt and just, you know.

[94] Who the fuck says that?

[95] All the time.

[96] Fucked them.

[97] Don't listen to that.

[98] Don't even respond.

[99] I don't even respond.

[100] I think it's funny.

[101] I think it's great.

[102] Yeah, that's crazy.

[103] You fought everybody.

[104] Yeah, it is what it is.

[105] What are you going to do?

[106] I can make everyone happy.

[107] But, yeah, man, you know, I was beat up a little bit and just had a lot going on.

[108] So, you know, now here we are.

[109] The JDS fight was interesting, right?

[110] Because that chin was swelling up hardcore, man. I couldn't believe that.

[111] Like, I feel fine.

[112] Also, I'm like, man, it doesn't feel right?

[113] You know, I just, I could feel like the rush of like blood in my shin.

[114] And I'm like, hmm, they kicked me again.

[115] I'm like, I checked it.

[116] And I was like, oh, I got that hurt.

[117] I got to end this.

[118] And so I was like chasing them down and finding my opportunity.

[119] And thank God I got it.

[120] It's so interesting that after all these years in MMA, a new trend surfaces.

[121] And that trend is the low lead kick.

[122] the low leg kick to the shin in the calf area, it's devastating.

[123] Yeah.

[124] Now, you saw it with Benson Henderson, I think, was the first guy to really bring it to the UFC and really, like, make it a big part of his arsenal.

[125] But, you know, you're seeing it with so many guys now.

[126] The low leg kick is just a giant technique.

[127] It sucks.

[128] It's fucking sucks, right?

[129] Well, you can't condition that part of your leg.

[130] It's not the same.

[131] Anyway, I think some people are different.

[132] Some people that's going to be real bad, I think.

[133] Yeah.

[134] Like, for me, it sucked.

[135] Like, it was terrible.

[136] Like, going up the stairs after that, fuck.

[137] fight was like the hardest thing ever just trying to strain it almost looked like your leg was broken like it swall up so quick i was wondering if you had like a the fibula was cracked or something like that yeah my doctor's actually was super pumped about it because he can be like oh my god look how deep this bone bruises this is this is amazing he was so pumped yeah he's like he's like he's a train with us so he's like he's like he's a good dude and he's just loved he showed my coach my coach's like oh that's awesome i'm like so what did he like put it on an MRI or something like that yeah they took an x -ray and all that thing it was an x -ray or something like that saw all the pictures and he's like, man, this is a deep bone brew.

[138] It's like, this is the deep as you get.

[139] You know, it's pretty bad.

[140] Yeah.

[141] It's amazing to me that, you know, you think of all the techniques in martial arts that this technique becomes like a prominent technique in 2016, 2017.

[142] Yeah, you know, I'm still trying to work on my jab.

[143] You know, that's what I'm working on right now in 2016.

[144] So over that, it takes off a while.

[145] No, but yeah, it's funny how, you know, mixed martial arts, there's one thing.

[146] And then, like, you know, when it started, you know, there was one guy who's a wrestler, one guy, jihitsu, one guy.

[147] Now it's, you know, trending and training more and more.

[148] And, you know, you got guys who are like, you know, sprawl and brawl or, you know, it's just crazy.

[149] We're watching how the sport evolves.

[150] It's amazing, actually.

[151] Well, you're an interesting case because you're a guy who does everything, right?

[152] You're not a one sport specialist.

[153] Like, you didn't come in as a kickboxing champ, like Overeem or, like, Mark Hunt.

[154] You know, you came into the sport with everything.

[155] You know, you're one of the new guys where essentially, you know, you do everything.

[156] You know, you're not a special.

[157] Yeah, I thought, yeah, I think so.

[158] Yeah, I mean, I wrestle my life and then, you know, actually, it was my coach, actually, who made it better because when I started training with mixed martial arts, he literally was like, I would take everyone down.

[159] I'm like, oh, this is easy.

[160] He's like, no, no, no, me, go.

[161] He's like, every time he takes someone down, I'm going to stay and drive back up.

[162] So you're going to learn how to flight.

[163] I'm like, oh.

[164] And I just got the crappy out of me for, you know, a while until I started like learning how to use my hands better.

[165] And, you know, I took a little time off, just do going goes boxing, and, you know, here we are.

[166] When did you start?

[167] M &A?

[168] Yeah.

[169] Ooh, 10 years ago, 10 years, 9 years ago.

[170] That's not that long when you think about it.

[171] Now you're the UFC heavyweight champ.

[172] Yeah.

[173] And I took a year and a half off just for boxing.

[174] Really?

[175] Just to learn how to use your hands better.

[176] Yeah.

[177] It's probably a good move, right?

[178] That was a great.

[179] Probably best move I did.

[180] Especially coming in with a wrestling background.

[181] But you have an overall athletic background, too.

[182] Like, you paid baseball.

[183] You know, you're a multi -sport guy.

[184] Yeah, I tried.

[185] I tried, but, yeah, you know, I definitely wrestle and, you know, the wrestling does help me out, you know, MMA because...

[186] Sure, of course.

[187] I always use that, and, you know, I think baseball definitely helps me out, too, just because of the reaction and the way to use my hips and stuff like that, it definitely helps me with the cultural arts.

[188] Yeah, I would imagine.

[189] You know, I think that having a bunch of different skills, like, have you, I'm sure you're a boxing fan.

[190] Did you watch the Lomachenko?

[191] The guy's fucking amazing.

[192] Oh, Goddial fight.

[193] Oh, I'm the whole shit.

[194] Oh, yeah, you swear.

[195] Oh, you just want to go fucking crazy.

[196] Fuck shit, cockballs.

[197] Okay, I'm good.

[198] There you go.

[199] I mean, what I thought was fascinating about the commentary, they were talking about how his dad made him make him take four years off and just do Ukrainian dancing.

[200] That's how he got his footwork.

[201] Really?

[202] Yeah.

[203] His father said, do you want to be a fighter?

[204] He goes, well, you're going to take four years off of fighting and just learn traditional Ukrainian dancing.

[205] Yeah.

[206] I mean, his fucking father's a wizard, man. I mean, he did something right.

[207] He nailed it.

[208] And, you know, they asked his dad, like, when did you know that he was going to be the champion?

[209] He said, before he was conceived.

[210] Holy shit.

[211] That's some Russian shit right there.

[212] That's the Ukrainian dark.

[213] Oh, my God.

[214] Like, Soviet Union type shit.

[215] Just watching that guy.

[216] Dude, watching that dude, though, like, honestly, it's like, it's like, it's like poetry.

[217] I don't know.

[218] It is.

[219] He's like, he's like, up.

[220] Everything.

[221] Even body shots.

[222] Like, he's sliding.

[223] out of the way of body shots.

[224] He slides out of the way of body shots the way like a Muay Thai guy slides away from leg kicks.

[225] Yeah.

[226] You know what I'm saying?

[227] Like he's just moved so much different than anybody I've ever seen box before.

[228] And then like, who's last four points?

[229] The coach is through the towel in.

[230] Yeah.

[231] Like, fuck this.

[232] Fuck this.

[233] This is terrible.

[234] If I was pointing that dude, I'd be like, I'm done.

[235] Right when I walk in the ring.

[236] Nine one of my phone around in.

[237] I'm like, we're calling a day.

[238] It's just, I'm wondering.

[239] But I think he's one of those guys that's like a barraiser, right?

[240] Like where he's just raised the bar.

[241] Where people look at what footwork is and they look at that guy and go okay this is not just like moving around a lot everything's so purposeful like when he turned around him when regondial like he put his hand on his head and then spun all the way around him reganiel's like what and the fuck is going on here he's a smaller guy and he's like what's going on exactly that's crazy like mind -blowing yeah because it's not like he got out like struck by a bigger heavier power puncher no he got the shit boxed out of him like it was just pop pop double jab pop pop pop pop oh Oh, where is it?

[242] It's over here.

[243] Crazy.

[244] I mean, I just like watching that guy.

[245] I mean, sorry, I'm trying to comfortable here.

[246] Yeah, I mean, just, it's that guy just, it's like, I'm so happy to be, like, alive to watch this.

[247] You know what I mean?

[248] Like, yeah.

[249] Because you're like, I was there, you know what I mean?

[250] Yeah.

[251] Just, I watched videos on that guy all the time.

[252] Yeah, there he is right there.

[253] I mean, just the fucking guy barely gets hit.

[254] I mean, there's no one like him in boxing because what he's doing is he's standing literally right in front of you and he's unavailable.

[255] It's not.

[256] like he's like dancing all over the place and moving away he's doing some shit and it doing it in a way that nobody else is doing like floyd had a lot of shoulder rolls and he's slick as fuck and floyd stands right in front of you too and he ties people up and shit but what lomacheco's doing is just some total next level shit yeah i mean like it's like what he does just when his hand a hand drops you don't care you know he knows he's going to get out of the way yeah he does a lot of very interesting stuff but i'm wondering like if we're going to see this in the future now.

[257] I mean, you know, obviously when Ali came along, a bunch of guys started imitating Ali.

[258] Yeah.

[259] You know, when Tyson came along, a bunch of guys tried to imitate Tyson.

[260] You always see that.

[261] Yeah.

[262] I wonder how many guys were going to figure out a way to take that to the next level.

[263] Yeah, I think, you know, I think some guys are going to take it to like, not to that.

[264] I mean, I mean, I don't know if everyone was going to catch that level.

[265] That, that's just...

[266] Well, that, you know what the next level is?

[267] That, but with, like, Roy Jones Jr. power.

[268] Yeah.

[269] You know what I mean?

[270] Yeah.

[271] Like, if someone figures out a way to move like that with that kind of footwork, but that one punch, go -to -sleep, you know, knockout power.

[272] That'd be sick.

[273] Yeah, that's probably the next level.

[274] Hopefully I'm alive for that, too.

[275] We'll see it.

[276] I mean, this is an amazing time for all combat sports, I think.

[277] I think the bar, like, I think with all sports, right, like if you look back at the olden days, you look back at today, the athletes are bigger, they don't know how to train better, they're faster.

[278] But I think anywhere that's more apparent than MMA.

[279] I feel like MMA is like the best example because it's so nice.

[280] know yeah 100 % you know like you said like it's always something always evolving like you know i mean like like was it john jones you said a teep to the thigh yeah like like that you know i go a couple years ago and then like everyone started doing it and then you know like bans and henderson doing the you know i mean just i don't know i just i just love it because it's always evolving you know you really you literally cannot take like two months off and if you do people are going to pass you out yeah and it's interesting too it's like there's different schools of thought right there's like the AKA school where you have all these killers in one room and you have like world champions beating up world champions and and then you have your gym which is much more specialized you know it's like you're the big guy to emerge from your gym and then it's been Jessica I and some other high level MMA fighters coming out of your gym but that's a like a lot of people think that's the way to go to have specialized training like Max Holloway has specialized training where like you know there's not you're not dealing with a bunch of people that are already champs you're building camps.

[281] Yeah, that's right.

[282] We're a lot, like, my gym's awesome.

[283] Like, my coach, Marcus Maranelli.

[284] He, uh, it's like all homegrown, man. Guys come in and he just makes him better.

[285] We don't, uh, you know, you and like, you know, I don't get any specialized training like to anyone else.

[286] Like, I don't go, you know, everything's just pushed aside because the guy, you know, like if the dude's got a fight, they're going first, then I go.

[287] You know, I'm not better than anyone else.

[288] Yes.

[289] You know, I'm the headway champ.

[290] I don't, I don't look at it that way.

[291] I look at like, all right, you got a fight coming up.

[292] You go first.

[293] We'll push my training back later, you know, like, I don't care.

[294] But, yeah, like, it's just great watching, like, you know, our gym, like, guys coming in, they're like, oh, yeah, I want to train, and also, and they're, like, to come out, like, a few months later, and these guys are killers.

[295] You're like, Jesus, like, you know, we have a, we have a, Kenil Lexi, a two -l -five -pounder.

[296] Like, it keeps me young.

[297] I had to, like, he's just turned pro.

[298] He's, everyone was third pro fight, and I'm like, God, dang, I come in some days, I'm like, who, isn't it interesting how there's guys like that in the gym, and then for whatever reason it never clicks for them like there's some guys that are just so insanely talented but they just don't have whatever it is whether it's focus the whether it's the discipline to keep going when things get weird to just finally realize their potential like what separates a guy like that that's like a gym killer from a guy like you who can perform under the bright lights you know when I when I was fighting UFC, I don't mean the whole story here, but it's when I was fighting, you know, I was like 9 -0, I lost the Shroove, and I thought it was unstoppable, and Struv beat me. I'm like, I almost didn't want to fight anymore.

[299] I was like, I don't know if I'm ready for this anymore, and then came back, fought Roy Nelson, you know, I had a couple more fights, and then I lost the JDS.

[300] And literally, when I walked in the back locker room, I was just like, I'm down.

[301] I'm like, I don't even care anymore.

[302] Like, I don't even care what happens.

[303] I'm going to go out there, I'm going to train, and all I'm going to do is put it all out there.

[304] If I'm going to win, I'm going to lose, and I don't really care.

[305] It's going to happen It's going to happen But I'm going to go out there And get my damn this to win And I'm going to do whatever I got to do And I just don't care So but some So something switched in your head Well you can kind of see it Like when you're doing One of the things I've always said about you When you walk out the fights And during the stair down You're like stoic You're like you give them dead eyes You're just like you're like You're there Here we go Like when you fought Verdume When you fought Verdume When you fought Verdume in Brazil And knocked him out in the first round It's like you look at it Your face While you're standing there It's like you might be waiting in life the fucking car wash you know i mean you're not you're not you're not mean mugging them you you've you almost got like that fade or face going on or you're just like here we are yeah you know i get i think i get that dead face from like when my wife yells at me so it's kind of like you know no uh no yeah um yeah yeah i just you know i just i looked at a lot like i just stopped caring i'm like you know what i'm not going to like over like get emotional about stuff like i don't care like all i care about is like i'm married i got a beautiful wife She takes care of me. At the end of the day, no matter what happens in this fight game, she's going to be there for me. She likes me for, you know, who I am, not because I fight.

[306] She likes me because, you know, I make her laugh.

[307] I do good things for her.

[308] She does a good thing.

[309] You know, I mean, just like a marriage should be.

[310] And, you know, and, like, she was there before all this, you know, all this stuff happened.

[311] So, like, she's not like a, what do they call it?

[312] What's the word of it?

[313] There we go.

[314] Yeah, yeah, gold digger.

[315] That's, I couldn't think of that.

[316] I'm an idiot.

[317] But, yeah, something like that.

[318] You know, she's been there the whole time.

[319] and, you know, that's what I love about her.

[320] You know, and I just stopped caring.

[321] So you're anchored.

[322] Yeah.

[323] Yeah, I mean, I just stopped carrying.

[324] I just like, who cares if I lose?

[325] I'll lose me. You know, but I'm very competitive.

[326] So I'm going to go out there and do whatever I do to win.

[327] Yeah, Randy Couture said that once.

[328] He was talking to young fighters and he was saying, you can't be worried about losing.

[329] The people who love you are always going to love you.

[330] You're not going to lose anything.

[331] You're just going to lose a contest.

[332] And if you're entering into something like a mixed martial arts fight, someone's got to win and someone's going to lose.

[333] And you've got to learn from those losses.

[334] And, you know, some of those losses, that devastating feeling, like I'm sure was there for you after this true fight, that the rebuild from that is what makes real champions.

[335] Yeah, you know, definitely.

[336] It helped me. I actually took my mom there.

[337] She didn't go to the fight.

[338] She never seen me fight.

[339] But, like, so, you know, in London, they got those big double -decker buses.

[340] Right.

[341] So we're going back, and then my head's like, wrang -o, like, it's throbbing.

[342] I'm like, oh, God, this sucks.

[343] I'm driving back, and my coars are next to me. He's trying to make me laugh for all sitting there tall.

[344] And I look out the window at the hotel and my mom spoke a cigarette.

[345] She's like, she's like, she's like, I look to my buddies.

[346] I'm like, my fucking high school right now.

[347] Like, who does that?

[348] You know, and I get that right there, like, made me feel better.

[349] Like, like you said, like no matter what happens, you know, always going to be.

[350] Yeah.

[351] You know, someone's going to be, no matter what happens.

[352] They're going to love you no matter what.

[353] Yeah, your family's always your family.

[354] Your friend's always your friends.

[355] And if they're not, they were never really your friends in the first place.

[356] Exactly.

[357] You're probably better off that way.

[358] Sometimes it's good to have some losses just so you realize who's just going to abandon in you.

[359] Yeah, right.

[360] It makes sense.

[361] So do you have any mental coaching?

[362] Do you do anything like that?

[363] I did for a little bit back in the day after after the shoe fight.

[364] I think it was a true fight.

[365] I talked to a sports psychologist, which it turned into about a minute talking about fighting the next was about my personal life.

[366] Had nothing to do with sports.

[367] It was just all I talked about.

[368] It was just about half an hour.

[369] I did it a few times and I walked every time.

[370] And that's when I started getting that mentality like why do I care anymore like I just stop caring I not you know I just I don't care anymore like like what was he trying to she she sorry I'm a rap sexist I immediately assumed it's an expert must be a man how could a woman know anything such a piece of shit I am but what you when you think when you think about like your that's that's a critical component in keeping your mental state together right that's one of the things that a lot of people will talk about, like having a good support group around you, having a support system, family, friends, real loved ones.

[371] So in her examining that, do you think she was trying to, like, reinforce, like, what matters and what's important?

[372] You know, I never actually thought about it that way.

[373] Maybe she just nosy.

[374] Maybe.

[375] But I've known her.

[376] I've known for a while.

[377] So, like, we know, no, but she, I don't, you know, I thought about it, but we'd start talking she's like so what's talk I'm like right and I said I talk about funny I'm like yeah all this and then I'm like you know what I'm my girlfriend and the girl at the time was like she's doing this to me you know what I mean and she's like all right she's like psycho you know what I mean like yeah but really I walked down I felt like so much better not even just because of the funny I think you needed to clear all like all stuff out just needed like mine straight they say that for people go to shrinks like if you go to a psychiatrist I've never gone but if you go like the best thing is just to talk about it like most people just keep things bottled up inside they don't have anybody to talk to about a lot of the shit that's going on inside their head yeah that was my problem when I was younger actually uh you know like especially like my wife the one thing that made us better was that I had to communicate because I was like she'd get mad of me I'm like he just bottled up I was just holding and finally one day I'm like dach she's like whoa whoa that was like two weeks ago like calm down dude you know I was like well you told me And then now it's just talking that lady and just opening up more and just when something bothers me, you know, she hates it now because I'm like, listen, you know, you need you do this.

[378] Like, you know, she'll go, oh, what's up, tough guy, you know.

[379] Now, you're a full -time firefighter, too, as well as being the UFC heavyweight champion.

[380] How do you balance that?

[381] Well, I'm part -time, actually, at two departments.

[382] Oh, okay.

[383] You know, but it's just tough because being full -time, you know, I didn't get hired full -time, so I couldn't, you know, it would be tough to do both.

[384] you know if I did before it'd be a lot easier but I can't just take a test because you have to probation year long and you can't fight right so while you're fighting you work part -time and do you have it set up where you know like you tell them in advance like hey I got a January 20th fight yeah so I already picked my schedule so a month in advance like one station I pick it within the first week I pick my whole month and then the next station we go like seniority so when I come up I pick my schedule so I make sure that you know It's already picked out, so I literally work probably five times in about two weeks.

[385] Now, 12 hours shift.

[386] How much does that get in the way of your training?

[387] Never.

[388] Nope.

[389] No. How's that work?

[390] Just the way I pick my schedule, if I had to do, I could trade someone or someone's coming in.

[391] I make it work.

[392] And they're amazing people.

[393] Like, those, both stations are amazing.

[394] The chiefs are great.

[395] The guys at work, I mean, actually, a lot of them are coming to a fight January 20th.

[396] Yeah, well, that's, that's an interesting thing about firefighters.

[397] a lot of times you get those 24 -hour shifts, you know, and where, you know, you get a chance to work out, you can cook, you know, hanging out with guys.

[398] It's like once the duties are done around the firehouse, right?

[399] Yeah, I play a lot of call duty.

[400] Do you?

[401] Yeah.

[402] Like, they're losing a 10 -year -old -old -old -old.

[403] It's a crazy job because when you have to do something, what you have to do is so extreme and what's demanded of you is just insane.

[404] Like, I'm sure you've been paying attention to what's going on just a few miles from here.

[405] Yeah.

[406] In Ventura, it's out of control.

[407] You know, what's crazy is that we just went past the, was it at Gettie Boulevard?

[408] Yeah, Gettys Center.

[409] I saw that, it looked like it was like Armageddon, and then we just passed it today and it was like burnt.

[410] Yeah.

[411] It was nuts, like, a couple days ago, that's what it would look like.

[412] It was, like, shocking.

[413] Well, L .A. is a fucking mess.

[414] You know, the beautiful thing about California is we don't have any weather.

[415] Yeah.

[416] And it never rains.

[417] But the terrible thing is once it gets crispy, and the other night, you know, when this was all happening, I was at my house and the wind was blowing like ridiculous.

[418] They were calling it a dry hurricane because the wind.

[419] wind was so crazy trees were falling down all over the place and the thought was man if a fire gets lit here we're fucked and then boom they start popping up right it was a natural like just from being no i don't think so i think there's a lot of psychos out there i think there's a lot of fucking people that recognize these are crazy fire conditions and they just want to light something on fire and they do and they step away and then next thing you know it's a 300 000 acre fire it's crazy there's accidents for sure.

[420] But I think for sure some of this is arson.

[421] Well, that was it within one, a day or two of all those ones burning?

[422] I mean, that's kind of weird.

[423] That's kind of weird.

[424] Yeah, there's a bunch of fucking psychos out there.

[425] That's what I think.

[426] I think there's definitely some accidents and obviously those winds exacerbate anything that would have been a small fire.

[427] Like, there was a small fire in my neighborhood a couple months ago, but it wasn't windy.

[428] The firefighters jumped on it quick and they put the house down.

[429] But, man, when the winds were the way they were, I mean, you were having chunks of embers that were flying six, seven hundred yards away, flying through the air, this and that and everywhere.

[430] There was no way they could stay on top of it.

[431] Yeah, that's like, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, I mean, we don't, I mean, we have, like, brush fires.

[432] Yeah, well, that's a good thing about Ohio.

[433] Yeah, right now we got, I think we got, like six or seven inches.

[434] Yeah, snow, so.

[435] Yeah, listen, man, snow, you just need snow tires.

[436] That's it.

[437] You know, warm clothes, snow tires, you're good.

[438] Fucking firestorm.

[439] It's not good.

[440] Yeah, I mean, that, that's like, that's like.

[441] oh god that's scary man like just just reading a lot and just seeing it and seeing the pictures just you know you feel terrible for the people you know we actually have friends in san diego they had to get uh evacuated yeah they said there was 85 % chance that their house would be be gone jesus they came back and within that 10th of the mile the fire stopped they're gonna lucky yeah i've been evacuated twice that's scary yeah it's scary but you know you just got to get out quick throw the dogs in the back let's go fucking you know part of it's like cleansing like all that stuff in your house is not you you're fucking tv or your clothes that's That's not you.

[442] You're you.

[443] You'll be all right.

[444] It's a much holistic thing.

[445] I'd always buy a new one.

[446] Yeah.

[447] Just fucking stay with your grandmother for a while.

[448] You'd be fine.

[449] Everybody will live.

[450] As long as you get out, you're all right.

[451] You'll rebuild.

[452] Get back.

[453] Sometimes it's a, I mean, it's not a good thing to lose everything that you work for, but sometimes it's a good thing to know that you are vulnerable.

[454] You know, like in these fires.

[455] Like, I think it's one thing that L .A. is missing is humility that's brought on by the weather.

[456] Like, you know how it is in Cleveland.

[457] When it fucking snows, right?

[458] When it snows out and it's thick, there's that feeling in the air where everybody calms down, right?

[459] Everybody's like, okay.

[460] Like, there's no one driving like a fucking crazy psychopath when it's snow.

[461] Everybody's going real kind of slow, slow and steady.

[462] Your back tires are kicking out a little bit.

[463] You know what I mean?

[464] Like, that keeps people humble.

[465] Yeah, we actually, uh, was it, the weekend of, uh, what was it, which one in New York, Madison Square Garden, which one was it?

[466] What was that?

[467] What number was that?

[468] I don't know.

[469] 211, whatever.

[470] Whatever it was.

[471] So I'm coming home, my wife's like, hey, you know, there's a huge storm.

[472] Come, just let you know.

[473] I'm like, cool.

[474] She calls me again.

[475] My house, we have actually a built -in generator, so if the power goes out.

[476] Oh, that's nice.

[477] So I'm like, sweet, dude, awesome.

[478] So every Saturday I would hear it kick on.

[479] I'm like, awesome.

[480] The thing works, great.

[481] Of course, the time we needs to work, the power goes out, is dead.

[482] So the battery busted on it.

[483] But so we came home, and I came home, and I flew home that night, and it was like a Like a zombie apocalypse, man. It was, like, stuff everywhere.

[484] Like, it was all dark.

[485] There was trees, like, on top of everything.

[486] It was crazy.

[487] And then they said, like, 15 tornadoes touched down within between Indiana, Ohio, and, uh, and a PA.

[488] And so we came to my house, and it was like, half, I have one big tree in my yard.

[489] I have eight and a half and I have one big tree.

[490] That magically got split in half.

[491] Wow.

[492] Then our barn, we have a barn.

[493] It's like a little, um, softening on the side.

[494] That all, like, half of it got ripped down.

[495] It was, it was, like, I mean, there was, like, so much stuff, like, we had a Z black got ripped down like you said but yeah but it's you know like you said it's humbling because you know we're not safe so but at least we can find out that the uh generator didn't work no no we're good because actually worked the other day it was so windy that the power went out and it actually kicked down i was yeah there's something that like that's comforting about hearing that when i lived in colorado we had a generator the power go out and you you're like ooh i'm okay i'm safe yeah are you handy do you fix it like you know my buddy my buddy Rick.

[496] Actually, he was over the other day.

[497] I was like, hey, he said, what's that man?

[498] I'm like, hey.

[499] I'm like, what are you doing?

[500] He's like, I'm coming to your house.

[501] I'm like, uh, do you?

[502] He's like, yeah, I talk to you.

[503] I actually need to fix something.

[504] I'm like, oh, cool, I'll see you out to the gym.

[505] So he comes over and does that for me. I mean, I do help him out, but it's mostly, it's all him.

[506] You're lucky.

[507] Yeah.

[508] Lucky to know somebody can fix shit.

[509] Yeah, I'm terrible at that stuff, man. I'm like, I make it worse.

[510] Well, especially if you live in a place like where there's fucking tornadoes.

[511] like can you is there a tornado proof house can you make a house like uh remember like three little pigs you remember like the guy with the bricks you can make a little you can make a little shelter the ground i guess i don't know you know i don't like a little like a little doors i have no idea right like wizard of oz type shit i guess yeah yeah yeah you'd have to go you'd have to make something that like was underground yeah like some underground did you guys have that remember remember when we were kids like a lot of guys had uh like not a lot of guys but people were talking about building bomb shelters in their backyard.

[512] That was like a big...

[513] It's kind of like that thing, yeah.

[514] Yeah.

[515] Well, in my basement's pretty...

[516] It's not bad.

[517] It's got a few, like, center block windows, like the...

[518] Right.

[519] That's about it.

[520] I mean...

[521] So you probably survive down there.

[522] Yeah.

[523] Plus, we have, like, a little area in the, too, with, like, with the furnace and stuff so we can hide in there, nothing will...

[524] Do you work out at home at all?

[525] No. God, no. No. Yeah, actually, I have a...

[526] I have a 3 ,000 -squift barn with raiding heat, so it's, like, warm all you around.

[527] You know, it's awesome.

[528] I was like, dude, you should put a cage in there, she's training.

[529] I'm like, hell no. I'm like, this is my sanctuary.

[530] This is where I go and I watch TV and I relax and I do fun stuff.

[531] You know, like, no, I'm not bringing anything.

[532] My wife does.

[533] My wife, you know, she has some on it stuff.

[534] We have her little kettlebells and her little, you know, stuff like that she loves it.

[535] So, you know, she does a treadmill and she does her thing there.

[536] Yeah, that's probably a good attitude, right, to burn it all out in the gym and then home is peace.

[537] Yep.

[538] I mean, well, it's peaceful as it can be, you know.

[539] If I piss off the wife, and it's not so peaceful.

[540] How do you relax?

[541] Like, when you're the UFC heavyweight champion in the world, like that's a tremendous amount of pressure and stress.

[542] Play some call of duty, I don't know, just hang out.

[543] I really honestly, I just chill.

[544] I don't do much.

[545] Like, you know, John Volante, I'm him.

[546] I play with him online with a bunch of guys from New York, and we just sit there and talk smack, talk shit to little kids, and make yourself better, you know?

[547] Imagine you getting your shit.

[548] If you're playing online, call of duty, and the UFC heavyweight champions talking shit to you.

[549] What the fuck?

[550] My buddy was actually We were playing one time and Nate and he's like Goes like Yeah you're gonna come over Kick your ass My boy's like Just let me do it I'm like Don't you I can say word I'm like just Let him have his moment You know Come over and kick your ass That's hilarious I mean it's so funny You get direct messages And stuff like that You know, you're a terrible person Oh yeah You're such a noob And you're like I don't know where you live I fucking find you And I kill you I'm like It's so funny You imagine the thought That would go through their head If they found who the fuck they were talking to.

[551] Well, the horror, when you're some 14 -year -old shit -talking kid, I'll fucking come to your house, stick my dick in your mouth.

[552] Like, and I find out you're talking to the UFC heavyweight champ.

[553] You're like, oh, Jesus.

[554] Oh, yeah.

[555] Oh, Jesus, Lord.

[556] Oh, what have I done?

[557] Yeah, I remember we were in Vegas.

[558] Funny like that, like some guy had no idea.

[559] Like, not being like taught a shit, but we went to, like, a Bud Light party, and we wanted to, like, just one mansion.

[560] It was like, it was crazy.

[561] We were having fun there, like, like, bunch of different Elvis Presley's, whatever.

[562] They had, like, all these miles they hired.

[563] Some with my wife and were hanging out.

[564] And I'm, like, sitting there, like, just looking straight, like, not looking around because, like, you know, there's all that girl and girls.

[565] I'm like, you know, and I'm like, you want to get some macaroni and cheese?

[566] She's like, yeah, because they're, like, really randomly macronia cheese.

[567] I went to get some macaroni cheese.

[568] And I came back and did you talk to my wife.

[569] And I'm like, hmm.

[570] So I'm like, it turns around.

[571] I'm like, here, something.

[572] He's like, I'm so sorry.

[573] I didn't know.

[574] Like, he was being nice.

[575] My wife was like, he was being nice.

[576] She just asked me what I was doing, like, but you had no idea that I was with her.

[577] Yeah, what a disaster.

[578] Yeah, it was actually pretty funny.

[579] That guy, like, they're like piss his pants.

[580] It was interesting ever.

[581] Do people treat you any different around the fire station, or is it pretty normal?

[582] It's gotten worse.

[583] Worse?

[584] Yeah, they treat me like garbage.

[585] They're like, you know, I always say they give me a plunger.

[586] Like, hey, go to town champ.

[587] I'm like, I'm like, really?

[588] Yeah, they don't care.

[589] That's funny.

[590] Yeah, but they're good guys.

[591] I mean, I love them.

[592] Both stations, they're just, you know, Oakland and Valley View.

[593] Those guys are just, they're just good guys.

[594] They're just always, you know, like, they actually, when I fought in Brazil, so they couldn't go to a fight, so they flew to Vegas, had their own watch party in Vegas to watch the fight, you know.

[595] How convenient.

[596] They couldn't stay in Ohio.

[597] They had to go to Vegas.

[598] Yeah, honey, I got to go to Vegas to support Steepa.

[599] He's fighting in Vegas?

[600] No, no, no, he's in Brazil, but the hookers are in Vegas.

[601] I got to go where I got to go.

[602] Yeah, no, I mean, honestly, they're great guys.

[603] I mean, they're just, you know, as I became championed, they didn't really don't care.

[604] I felt bad from the look because, like, really, so I won the title on Saturday.

[605] I flew in on Monday.

[606] I got home Monday, and I think worked Wednesday at the one station.

[607] And literally, like, everyone found out, and that phone did not stop ringing in a doorbell.

[608] And they were looking at me, like, are you serious, you motherfucker?

[609] This is we're supposed to be taking naps right now.

[610] Where's the gym?

[611] Oh, I felt so, like, they understood, but I felt really bad because, like, I wanted to relax too, you know.

[612] Didn't they have, like, a little parade for you?

[613] Yeah, yeah, not a little parade.

[614] It was a, I was in the, I was in the cast parade.

[615] It was big.

[616] Yeah, it was pretty big.

[617] 1 .3 million or 6 million, whatever.

[618] That's crazy.

[619] Yeah, oh, it was nice.

[620] It was so hot, too.

[621] Like, the UFC's like, hey, dude, here's a jersey.

[622] I'm like, are you serious or not?

[623] We only wear this black jersey right now.

[624] Oh, they wanted to wear one of them Reebok kits.

[625] Yeah, it was so hot.

[626] It was like 90 degrees.

[627] I'm like, I was struggling.

[628] I was supposed to, oh, it was so bad.

[629] But it was honestly, it was cool, man. There was, you know, everyone's screaming and, like, it was so many people.

[630] It was just, just, it was great to see, you know.

[631] There it is.

[632] Yeah.

[633] Yeah, he swan like a pig.

[634] Bro, it's so bad.

[635] Is it weird, like, walking around the street now?

[636] Like, what is a normal life for you?

[637] Normal, man. Everyone's so nice.

[638] They don't, don't, like, run to me and like, oh, what's up, man?

[639] They're just like, hey, I did see a champ.

[640] How you doing?

[641] Is there any, do you think there's any benefit of keeping a day job?

[642] Do you think, like, in any way it's, like, good for your head or anything?

[643] I think so.

[644] I definitely think so.

[645] I think it keeps me grounded because, you know, we don't always talk about fighting, you know, but, like, it just, you know, other things to worry about.

[646] I don't have to worry about fighting and this and that.

[647] I keep some mind off of it.

[648] But I think also, too, is always a plan B. You know, I could walk out of here for a trip and fall and break my hand and never fight again.

[649] You just never know.

[650] So that's why you keep the job?

[651] Yeah, a little bit.

[652] But I really worked hard and make my mom proud.

[653] You know, I just, plus I love helping people.

[654] You know, my whole life, like I said, I've been helped.

[655] And so it's my, I want to get.

[656] Because I was thinking about being a Coast Guard, a police officer.

[657] And my buddy's like, dude, check out the fireman, dude.

[658] It's a great job.

[659] I looked at it.

[660] I'm like, yeah.

[661] Get full time, 24 -8, 40 -8 off.

[662] That's awesome, man. Like, who doesn't want to do that?

[663] And then, yeah, so.

[664] But, like, some people would say, like, to be at the top of your game, you literally must devote all of your time to it all the time, and that you wouldn't have enough time to work a regular job.

[665] No, I mean, I make it work, man. I don't care.

[666] Like, you know, I work a lot of Sundays.

[667] I'll do 24 hours on Sundays.

[668] So, like, if you just hit the lottery tomorrow, you got $100 million, I'm out.

[669] I'm out.

[670] I'm out.

[671] You'd quit.

[672] Oh, yeah.

[673] I'm out.

[674] Who wouldn't?

[675] Who wouldn't?

[676] But that's the point.

[677] Like, what if, you know, say you continue your title run and you make more and more money, become a giant superstar like you deserve to be, and you start making those Connor McGregor checks?

[678] You're going to keep that job?

[679] Yeah.

[680] Really?

[681] I will.

[682] Really?

[683] Yeah, no, if I want a lot of hit -ups for loans.

[684] This is going to happen.

[685] Trust me. Already been there done that.

[686] Yeah, I'm sure.

[687] It's so bad.

[688] I'm like, bro.

[689] My family already bothered me. I'm like, this is great.

[690] But, like, friends and stuff.

[691] Like, Jesus, really?

[692] They want loans, right?

[693] That you know are not loans.

[694] No. Nobody's ever paying you back.

[695] I get out one loan.

[696] I only one I ever get out and it came back.

[697] Really?

[698] It came back.

[699] You got lucky.

[700] Yeah, dude.

[701] Actually, it's that guy that looks like my brother with a mustache.

[702] Steak and potatoes, potato.

[703] You don't talk about my coach.

[704] Oh, oh.

[705] They got out of the mustache that last night I was talking about.

[706] This is, um, when it's Chobb's here, and what's his other buddy's name?

[707] What's his name?

[708] Brian Callum?

[709] Yeah.

[710] Who's that, his brother or something?

[711] remember in the Cajun.

[712] Oh, right, right, right, right.

[713] So, yeah, he actually stares his own business and helped him out.

[714] And, no, he's the only guy I trust.

[715] Well, that's someone that you're close to.

[716] But it's always people that you're kind of, like, in the periphery, that have some stupid business idea that can't go wrong.

[717] Yeah.

[718] It can't go wrong.

[719] Those people are my favorite.

[720] This can't miss. Yeah, I don't play that game.

[721] Plus, my wife, someone pretty much in charge of the money.

[722] That's good.

[723] That's good.

[724] You have, like, removal from it.

[725] Like, hey, I can't even do anything.

[726] Yeah, exactly.

[727] I blame it hurt, and she's like, she don't care.

[728] I don't even buy sneakers.

[729] Yeah.

[730] I can't buy underwear for myself.

[731] I went from my next fight.

[732] So who schedules your training?

[733] Like, say if you're going to do a big camp for like this and Gano fight, like who schedules what you do all the time?

[734] My coach, Marcus, you know, he sits me down.

[735] He's like, I want this guy here.

[736] I want this guy here.

[737] I think we should bring this guy in, you know, and just we kind of just figure it all out.

[738] So does he have all this written out?

[739] Like he'd like a certain amount of rounds.

[740] You want a certain amount of strength and conditioning.

[741] So is he your overall trainer?

[742] Yeah, he's my head coach.

[743] He's the one that figures everything out.

[744] We have my box coach, Alex.

[745] I have my strength and conditioning, Bobby.

[746] You know, I have Steve.

[747] The guy looks like the mustache.

[748] Yeah, he's a grappling kind of more about my dude.

[749] Just my dude just kind of makes you feel good about myself.

[750] You know, I mean, I tear apart and talk shit to him.

[751] You know, I make myself feel better about myself.

[752] You know, like, God, you're so old and fat.

[753] Like, I feel good.

[754] You know what I mean?

[755] But, yeah, he, Marcus, he sets it all up, makes sure it's all good, you know, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Wednesdays, and then, you know, just Saturday.

[756] They just take Fridays off.

[757] How much strength and conditioning do you do?

[758] I don't do too much.

[759] I don't, not like, I don't do like heavy lifting.

[760] You know what I mean?

[761] I don't, because it's not a power lifting competition.

[762] It's a fight.

[763] Right.

[764] So like on Tuesdays, I do posterior chain work for my lower back and my half.

[765] We have a, you know, west side barbell?

[766] Sure.

[767] You know the belt squat.

[768] Yeah, I love that thing.

[769] Oh, dude, it's sick.

[770] They're putting one in here.

[771] Oh, really?

[772] Yeah.

[773] Yeah, dude.

[774] Dude, dude, I love that guy.

[775] Yeah.

[776] He's a freak.

[777] We had one of the best podcasts ever with him.

[778] He's so fucking crazy.

[779] He's out of his mind.

[780] My coach is one of like the OGs with him.

[781] He worked out in his garage before it became like, it is now.

[782] Like, he used to like just train with him back in the day.

[783] Yeah, we went there.

[784] He gave us a tour and that whole belt squat thing.

[785] That thing's amazing.

[786] Oh, it's awesome.

[787] Plus it gives you traction and not so much train.

[788] So, you know, I do that, you know, I do that.

[789] The new one that's even awesomeer now, too, which is great.

[790] You can deadlift off of it and you can do rubber band.

[791] They're geniuses over there.

[792] They just do an amazing job.

[793] So I do a bunch of that, like reverse hypers.

[794] Yeah, I've got a reverse hyper machine back here Yeah, the pendulum swings real good too That thing's amazing Yeah, that reverse hyper is a back fixer Oh, night and day It's the craziest thing I mean If you have a back issue, ladies and gentlemen Please just Google reverse hyper It is an amazing machine that Louis Simmons created And it literally decompresses your spine And strengthens it at the same time It is a work of art Yeah, I mean, I love it I mean you see you I can't talk to him excited Yeah, there it is right here Don't look at me, motherfucking paperboy hat with the belt squat thing on.

[795] That thing's amazing, man. Yeah.

[796] But I feel like having that thing on you, you would seriously develop some, like, real power in your movements and your ability to push off.

[797] And I think for striking, that would be fucking incredible that thing.

[798] Yeah, I did what I do yesterday.

[799] I did three, five -minute rounds at 290.

[800] So do you shadow box while you're doing that?

[801] Yeah, it depends what I do.

[802] I do a little shout -back.

[803] The first one I did marching, then I slide back and forth.

[804] I just a little bit, then I do a, it's kind of funny, but I actually grab the bar and I, like, thrust my hips.

[805] It actually helps me, like, works my hips and it helps me with my lower back.

[806] And then the next time we did, I would squat, medicine ball, throw it to one coach, squat, throw it back, back and forth, five minutes.

[807] And then, another one on, I do, like, burbands, you know, just kind of keep moving a little bit like that.

[808] Have you evolved this over, over time?

[809] Oh, yeah, we actually have a, the one, put it back up again, we used to have a medicine ball that was strapped up and, like a moiety clinch.

[810] So we did that, you know, for five minutes.

[811] That was terrible, actually.

[812] So that was actually not fun at all.

[813] We did that.

[814] Then we had, like, these massive, like, I don't know what they were.

[815] It almost like like a part of a boat, but there's these big metal rings, like oval rings.

[816] And they had chained out.

[817] I don't know.

[818] We just sit there and just walk her like this and keep your hands up high and just.

[819] So just working on keep your hands up.

[820] Plus, we put the vertemax in there.

[821] You're a vertemax?

[822] No, what's a vertemax?

[823] So it's like a, it's like a platform.

[824] little platformer's got all, you know, strapped and all resistance.

[825] It's pretty cool, so you can jump and, you know, punch.

[826] Oh, you know, I think I have seen that before.

[827] It's like, it's strapped up to different parts of your body.

[828] Yeah, yeah.

[829] So you could throw knees and punches and kicks and stuff like that.

[830] Yes, we add that to that so it's pretty interesting.

[831] And you do operate on rounds?

[832] You do like rounds?

[833] Yeah, we do five in a round.

[834] Yeah.

[835] So, like, when we go back and forth of that and stuff like that, you can want to be one heavy one, one when they win resistance and da -da -da.

[836] So are they, do they monitor your heart rate no no i just i just push it to the limit i don't worry about it you know like i do this in my body if i'm tired or i'm struggling you know like the last camp for jDS camp i don't what i was thinking but i did like i was already doing five five minute rounds and then like the first like 12 weeks before 10 10 or 12 weeks for the fight and i was like fine i was like oh yeah i feel good yeah it's amazing and then like eight weeks and i was like oh i just died you went too hard yeah i was being just a dumb jock well that's what i wanted to say it's like like What is the, not that you're a dumb jock, but like that is, what is the, what's the way you prepare for, like, a major championship fight?

[837] Like, what is the buildup like?

[838] Like, how do you, how do you know, like, when to push too hard?

[839] How do you know when you're peaking, when to back off?

[840] Well, every fight, two weeks out, I stop sparring.

[841] I don't sparred two weeks before a fight.

[842] Two weeks.

[843] Why is that?

[844] Just don't my body rest.

[845] No more, no building my body, you hurt my body.

[846] That's my reason I made that JDS fight.

[847] Really, everything hurts so bad.

[848] I would wake up in the morning, I'd like, right.

[849] Just stretching out.

[850] I could feel the pain, like just my bones.

[851] From sparring?

[852] Just soaredness.

[853] Yeah, I was just being sore.

[854] And then from sparring, from doing everything, grappling, just, you know, on, on boxing, whatever.

[855] And then, you know, if I had two weeks, man, I felt like a million dollars.

[856] So what do you do for those two weeks out?

[857] I do power, condition, running, and stuff like that.

[858] You know, just keep my mind straight, my right, you know, working a pad, just like technique, going to the game plan for the week, you know.

[859] Yeah, everybody's got a different strategy for that.

[860] Like, Matt Hughes told me he would work out hard, right up into the day of the fight.

[861] Like, yes, he's like, that's what we've always done.

[862] It's what I've always done.

[863] It feels right for me. Like, and he puts his mind in a good place, I guess, too.

[864] Yeah.

[865] I mean, that's old school, you know.

[866] Yeah, it's old old old school.

[867] But he worked for him, and he looked for him.

[868] Fuck, yeah, dude.

[869] He's one of the best of all time, you know.

[870] Yeah, no doubt.

[871] I talked to another coach who said that when he was competing, that what he would do is the last week of the fight, he literally wouldn't do anything.

[872] He goes, I wouldn't work out at all.

[873] I go, nothing?

[874] he does nothing he goes I might ride my bike he goes I might swim a little bit because I don't do shit he goes I already know how to fight he was already in shape he goes I'm just trying to recover and he goes and you think about it like if you haven't worked out in a week when you go and work out you're like fucking ah yeah it's like that you feel so so powerful and energetic because everything's recovered and he's like that's how I want to be when I'm fighting yeah I'm like okay that's I think I think that's how I you know I still go hard I still do my rounds and I you know I'm pushing limit but like you know I definitely just the last two weeks just let my body rest from getting beat up yeah no it makes sense get my mind right too you know do you uh you have any sort of recovery methods do you do like cryotherapy or massage or ice baths or yeah i um i do ice baths in my own um but i do cryo now i have a place they hooks me up so i go there uh in back cleveland i do absent salt probably once a week with uh with uh menthol is it was called menthol with that green menthol is it mentholed aren't those cigarettes no no it's like i think it's like wherever you know It comes in, like, the, you need to put it, like, in the Epsom salt and, like, green, like, the liquid.

[875] I don't even know what that is.

[876] I have no idea.

[877] So it's Epson salt, but it's green?

[878] Yeah, it's, like, I think it's menthol.

[879] I have no idea.

[880] I should pay attention to that, you know, who knows, but it's supposed to, yeah, opens up.

[881] It actually helps with people cutting weight, too, but then she opens up, you know, gets everything out.

[882] And then I do that, like, once or twice a week.

[883] I want to start doing that here soon once twice a week.

[884] You know, proteins, amino acids, all the stuff, you know, you're supposed to.

[885] I go to a chiropractor a couple times a week.

[886] They also include massages, so I get a 20 of a massage after.

[887] Yeah, I think massage is super beneficial.

[888] I think the more people do that, the better.

[889] I think especially for fighters, you're constantly dealing with knots and things that could eventually become, like, real injuries.

[890] Yeah, I remember when I was supposed to have been in Rothwell and I pull out a flight, it was like the worst time of my life.

[891] I never pulled out of a fight before.

[892] I didn't know what to do.

[893] I really couldn't bend over.

[894] Like, I was like, I never forget, I dropped my wallet.

[895] I was like, what happened?

[896] Just my back, it was so screwed up.

[897] Like, I was driving.

[898] I couldn't even, like, sit up straight.

[899] I thought, like, it was so bad.

[900] My back was so messed up.

[901] Like, I would...

[902] Did you get an MRI?

[903] Yeah, so my lower, sorry.

[904] My, what was it, my...

[905] Lth, four, whatever else...

[906] Lumbar, right.

[907] They were just screwed up.

[908] They were, you know, their herniated, bulging out, whatever we want to call them.

[909] And so I went to talk to Tom from West Side, you know, Irish guy.

[910] Yeah.

[911] You know, a good guy, whatever.

[912] he's out he was like hey man check out his so -ass my so -ass muscle uh -huh you know what the so -ass muscle is no so it's a muscle it's connected inside your thigh inside your bone and it goes over your hip -bone and it goes to your lower back okay so I was sitting there and like I would like take your shit and I was like oh like I could feel like like my spine it would kill so I started like stretching it out and I said I get a massage and the massage girl's like she's like I'm like a lie She was like, you touching your so -ass muscle, because you have to dig and get to it, because, like, you just can't find it.

[913] Right.

[914] She was, like, a rubber band with, like, bumps on it.

[915] She was, like, it was disgusting.

[916] She's like, it was the dad.

[917] So I go to West Islander's guy named John Quint, who is a release therapist, whatever, big dude, awesome dude.

[918] He actually stayed my career.

[919] He started working my so -ass and started stretching me out.

[920] I mean, now I can do head kicks now.

[921] I'd never be able to do a hit -kick.

[922] So it was, like, a muscle that just was broken down, and it wasn't getting enough recovery.

[923] I think it was from wrestling from being, you know.

[924] Sure.

[925] And then just being tight all the time and then hurting my back when I was a little kid.

[926] You know, not a little kid when I was 18, I hurt my back.

[927] And then he just carried on and found you.

[928] You ever do yoga?

[929] I did.

[930] Yeah, it's tough for me. Not going to lie.

[931] Of course it is.

[932] That's why it's supposed to be good for you because it's hard to do.

[933] I probably should do it.

[934] It's just tough.

[935] I remember I forget when I was training in a gym before I started doing mixed martial martial slash.

[936] I was doing a yoga class and I was trying to do it.

[937] And his lady's like, you're just too big.

[938] She really told me that.

[939] And I was like, you're a terrible instructor.

[940] like, how do you want me to come back?

[941] Like, what?

[942] You're just too big.

[943] She's like, you're just too big.

[944] Your muscles are too big.

[945] She's told me. The yoga instructor told you.

[946] Yeah, she's ridiculous.

[947] I was so devastated.

[948] I just walked out.

[949] I know what to do.

[950] I was like, this is stupid.

[951] Yeah, that's ridiculous.

[952] I lost my mojo after that.

[953] No, no, no, you get to get back in there.

[954] I would just think that, like, for anyone that's involved in anything that's as brutal as MMA, that yoga's a great sort of balancing thing for that.

[955] It keeps you flexible, you know, keeps your core strong, does a lot of, you've developed, like, weird strength.

[956] Strengthen, like, it helps the joints.

[957] It helps, like, a lot of the connecting tissues, helps stabilize everything.

[958] Yeah, yeah, I believe in.

[959] Plus, it doesn't it really good with your mind and stuff like that?

[960] Sure.

[961] Yeah, that's why I mean, I've done it, like, one or twice, like, a toadion the layers, like, your muscles.

[962] I mean, when I read about it and when I've seen about it, looks pretty good.

[963] Yeah, I look that post on Instagram that I put up last night.

[964] Yeah, I saw it.

[965] from um let pull this up like this is uh from jujitsu brotherhood this uh got it what's up um yoga is a martial art you do against yourself how do you say nick's last name gregoryadis gregory adis nick gregorias anyway real good jujitsu guy he was the guy that was in london real right wasn't he used that little fancy google machine I'm pretty sure.

[966] That's Nick.

[967] He was in the early London Reel.

[968] He did our podcast.

[969] Yeah.

[970] Yeah, he did the podcast a long time ago.

[971] But that's a great quote that yoga is a martial art you do against yourself.

[972] How long have you been doing it for?

[973] Real serious for like two years, two and a half years.

[974] Before that, I would do it like once a month or once every now and then.

[975] But now I do it pretty regularly.

[976] We did the sober October thing.

[977] No booze, no pot, 15 hot yoga classes a month.

[978] month.

[979] It's fucking life -changing, man. Yeah?

[980] Yeah, I haven't done yoga since.

[981] It changed my life.

[982] I really haven't, but I need to because I tweak my back yesterday doing something.

[983] Do you a chiropractor?

[984] No, no. Yeah, I don't believe in them.

[985] Really?

[986] Yeah, no, I don't.

[987] I'm sure you do.

[988] Oh, so good.

[989] I think massage is good, but do you know how chiropractic was founded?

[990] Do you know where it came from?

[991] It came from a scam artist.

[992] A guy was a magnetic healer, and it came to him in a seance, that he could cure all ailments if you manipulate people's spines.

[993] Yeah.

[994] And then he was killed by his own son, who then, who was also a scam artist, his own son ran over him with a fucking car, and they took over the business.

[995] I'm sold.

[996] I'm in.

[997] Yes.

[998] You know, people claim all sorts of benefits for all sorts of things, but there's no scientific evidence that manipulating your spine does anything.

[999] The only thing that it does show is that if you can manipulate lower backs, sometimes with some people, you can relieve some of the pain.

[1000] But I think a lot of that is just massaging them.

[1001] Like a lot of that is just manipulating them, just rubbing into them, giving them some sort of relief and adjusting them.

[1002] But the neck is very dangerous.

[1003] You know, like people that want to get their neck adjusted and feel that pop.

[1004] It feels good, right?

[1005] But literally people have gotten strokes from that.

[1006] Oh.

[1007] Yeah.

[1008] Well, I just, you know, I read a little study on it and said, like, you know, they did, like, you know, adjusting, you know, twice a week.

[1009] And kids, like, reaction, like, sports were quite quicker just because, you know, I just because.

[1010] everything was like lined up perfectly.

[1011] Yeah, I don't think that's real.

[1012] I feel like it is though.

[1013] I'm sure you do.

[1014] I'm just sure.

[1015] I just don't think that you, I don't think your body is manipulated that way.

[1016] I think that what's happening is you're putting attention on your body.

[1017] You're thinking about recovery more.

[1018] You're getting adjusted and while you're getting adjusted, getting massage.

[1019] Like when I used to get adjusted, the best part of it was what you said, the massage.

[1020] That was the best part.

[1021] I get massage and then I get adjusted and it felt good.

[1022] Like everything loosened up.

[1023] But when I talk to guys that are actual orthopedic surgeons and real doctors, like spinal doctors, and they talk about it, they're like, you're just making like a pop.

[1024] Like, it's not real.

[1025] Like, it doesn't, your body would be so fucked up.

[1026] If, like, you could manipulate it one way or another, that's how you fix things.

[1027] It's like, that's how you fix things.

[1028] Like, you've got an injury.

[1029] It's like, there's a whole bunch of shit going on.

[1030] Like, if you have some sort of a muscle pull or a back injury, I soured on it when I had a bulging disc.

[1031] And the reason why was because this guy was convinced.

[1032] that I didn't have a bulging disc and I didn't get an MRI and I was just going to a chiropractor and he's like pushing down on my head I had a in my cervical in my neck oh it was a my hands were going numb from jiu -jitsu yeah and this guy was like trying to tell me just keep coming to the car you'll get adjusted it'll be fine and then I finally went to a real doctor and they gave me an MRI and they're like no this is why you're in pain your disc is bulging out and it's pressing into your nerve and it's called the ulnar nerve and that's why your hand is going numb yeah like we're going to give you spinal decompression and you should try to look into some things that are going to reduce inflammation.

[1033] They changed my diet, and I started getting something called regenicine, which is like platelet -rich plasma, where they take your blood, they spin it, they heat it up, and in the heating up the blood, it produces this radical anti -inflammatory process, and they then inject that, your own blood, back into the injuries, and just fixed it over, like, the period of like two or three months, then I got another MRI, and it went away.

[1034] So I think a lot of that shit is just fucking voodoo.

[1035] It's just nonsense.

[1036] And you think it's working or you're thinking about it or you're giving yourself time to rest while you're getting all those adjustments.

[1037] So you think that the adjustments are what's doing it.

[1038] But obviously there's a lot of people that are chiropractors that are very skillful in all sorts of different methods of recovery.

[1039] Like electrical muscular stimulation, massage.

[1040] There's a bunch of different things.

[1041] Even traction.

[1042] I don't know enough about acupuncture.

[1043] Yeah, me neither.

[1044] I suppose one.

[1045] I never got it done, but I always like, yeah.

[1046] It seems to me like horseshit, if I had a guess.

[1047] But I don't know.

[1048] I mean, maybe there's some method to it.

[1049] I mean, I think that massage works.

[1050] That definitely works.

[1051] Like, if I get a good massage and I have, like, something that's tight and, you know, like your neck is fucked up from not tapping or something like that, and then you go get it massaged out, like, you can fix that.

[1052] Like, that actually can provide you some relief.

[1053] And I'm sure that if you go to a good, one of those people that does cupping, like people apparently swear by that shit.

[1054] You know, you know, cupping?

[1055] What is cupping, by the way?

[1056] You know what it is?

[1057] I've seen it like, like, sucks on the bag, and these terrible marks in your body.

[1058] I think that's half of it.

[1059] Half of it is, like, the marks in your body make you think like you're getting something done.

[1060] But they take this cup and it sucks all your skin up into the cup.

[1061] And how does that, I don't know how it works.

[1062] Like, look at this asshole.

[1063] That's so weird.

[1064] That looks like he has the worst disease.

[1065] known to man. Like, imagine if that was just, like, what happened to your skin.

[1066] You got, like, some porcupine disease.

[1067] Or is there a nipple disease?

[1068] Look at a bunch of nipples.

[1069] I guess, like, they have a vacuum thing, and it attaches to the top, and it pulls.

[1070] Look at that.

[1071] How is that, like...

[1072] Yeah.

[1073] Olympic cupping, a practice rooted in ancient Islam.

[1074] Oh, shit.

[1075] Hmm.

[1076] Interesting.

[1077] Yeah, I mean, look, these fucking people are world -class athletes at the top of their game.

[1078] Is cupping therapy...

[1079] Okay.

[1080] How about Google?

[1081] does cupping work?

[1082] It's cuping therapy work.

[1083] It's probably some weird sexual shit called cupping too.

[1084] Gotta be real careful.

[1085] Careful what you pull up.

[1086] How does cupping work?

[1087] Hmm.

[1088] There's dry cupping.

[1089] Yeah.

[1090] How does it work?

[1091] The glass cup is warmed by burning an alcohol -soaked cotton ball inside of it.

[1092] And they're making a bomb.

[1093] This removes the oxygen in the cup, which creates a vacuum.

[1094] The cup is turned upside down and placed on the patient's back.

[1095] The vacuum created by the bell lack of oxygen well that's this kind of cupping but the other one seemed to have like a stem on the top of it where a vacuum thing pulls in but what is it supposed to do facts down here how do you feel about ice though i think that's very important yeah drawing up the skin go scroll over towards the right so i can see though yeah drawing up the skin and the cup is believed to open the skin's pores which helps to stimulate the blood flow balances and realigns the flow Okay, you fuck me with this, this chi.

[1096] QI.

[1097] Realigns the flow of QI.

[1098] Oh, you got any, you got any peer -reviewed studies on that QI, you fucking dip shit?

[1099] Breaking up obstructions creates an avenue for toxins to be drawn out of the body.

[1100] Again, as soon as assholes start talking about toxins, oh, well, I'm just cleansing.

[1101] I'm on a deep cleanse, getting the toxins out of my body.

[1102] It's so nice.

[1103] It's so nice.

[1104] It's just bullshit talk.

[1105] That whole toxins talk is, I'm pulling toxins out of my body.

[1106] the fuck you are no you know what pulls toxins out of your body your liver you dumb cunt that's what that's what your liver's for it gets the toxins out you're not pulling them out with a cup for me it's a son after I've been drinking all day that help sweat yeah your sweat does it'll least a little little filter out some of that water that ionic foot spa thing oh that's the worst where they the foot the water turns black and they try to pretend that it's like toxins coming out of you but meanwhile it's just a reaction it's a chemical reaction reaction.

[1107] Yeah.

[1108] You ever seen that?

[1109] No. Yeah.

[1110] They have this thing.

[1111] It's plugged in and your foot sits in it.

[1112] And there's some sort of reaction with the water and your feet and it turns black.

[1113] And they try to tell you, oh, the toxins am coming out of your body.

[1114] And then you walk out of there.

[1115] I feel amazing.

[1116] No, I need a colonic.

[1117] No. No. This is not real, ladies and gentlemen.

[1118] What is that?

[1119] What are they doing?

[1120] What is the exact reaction?

[1121] There's lots of videos you can look up where people do the exact process with not without putting anything in there and the water still turns black.

[1122] I think it's something to do with like battery acid or, I don't know.

[1123] Honestly, that might not be it, but it's something weird.

[1124] It's bullshit.

[1125] See, people want to get healed.

[1126] You get hurt.

[1127] You want to get healed.

[1128] You want to believe anything.

[1129] Well, you ever heard of Rakey healers?

[1130] Oh, yeah.

[1131] No, that's, uh, that's ralphing.

[1132] That's real.

[1133] That's legit.

[1134] That's like fascia manipulation.

[1135] Rakey is like they rub their hands and they just pass them over your body and they, they heal you.

[1136] We had this one video that we were watching this, this one lady.

[1137] was just rubbing her hand above this lady's vagina just like above it like what is going on there you're trying to what kind of sorcery are you using what are you trying to what are you trying to exercise from this lady's body next year I started a porno yeah next thing you know she's the number one porno star in America look I did it with my hands my healing my rakey healing I met a dude last night that was a psychic healer told me was a psychic killer I go good luck with that that's not real you fuck psychic healer Oh, the reason I ask about icing, because, like, I know there's some people that don't like icing, they like doing that like that.

[1138] The insulin injury gets hurt, unless it's needed, but, like, you know, say you sprain your ankle and you can't usually start moving it right away and get the blood flow back in there without.

[1139] Yeah.

[1140] You know what I mean?

[1141] There's some evidence that, well, I think it depends entirely upon the injury, but if you look at the vast majority of scientists and sports medicine therapists and the people that are at the cutting edge of the business, they almost all.

[1142] I'll use ice.

[1143] Yeah.

[1144] They don't think that you're not supposed to use ice within, who was it on the podcast?

[1145] Was it Andy Galpin?

[1146] Who was it that was talking about the time frame between icing and exercise where you need to, or it might have been Rhonda Patrick.

[1147] There's a beneficial amount of time you should wait before you ice after an exercise.

[1148] Like that you give yourself a chance for more recovery and more growth.

[1149] if you wait a while before icing like say if you had a hard training session you wouldn't want to go right to cryotherapy you might want to wait an hour and a half two hours and then go and then you'll get the benefits of the hard training but then you also get the anti -inflammatory benefits of cryo yeah when i did cryo and the first time a couple times they did it i was like this is like this sucks like i wasted a bunch of money like this is like i just hated it right and then this is another place plus also it's free which is nice that helps yeah free is nice yeah right and the guys like can't Hey, man, you know, come out, so I checked it out.

[1150] And, like, man, I got done with that one.

[1151] It was, like, I felt, like, the coldness coming, like, in my whole body.

[1152] So it was a better place?

[1153] Yeah.

[1154] I went to a better place.

[1155] Yeah.

[1156] I think so.

[1157] I think it was because I definitely felt a difference, you know.

[1158] How long are you in town for?

[1159] I'll leave it tomorrow.

[1160] Tim, I want to take you the place out here.

[1161] Yeah, the cryotherapy, cryo health care out here, they have a very unique system.

[1162] Their system is, it's, first of all, the guys that developed it, what they did was instead of having it where you're breathing in liquid nitrogen, you know, like, where it's from the next.

[1163] down, which is a lot of those places, you go into it and you're breathing air, and you have to have your head above where the cryo is, because you can't breathe that shit in, which is how that girl in Vegas died, folks.

[1164] If you don't know, there's a girl in Vegas that went in the tank by herself, and she was too short, and she was breathing in the nitrogen, and she passed out, and then she froze to death.

[1165] But the ones at cryo health care, that's the normal one.

[1166] That's like Floyd Mayweather in there right there, where you see the cryo stuff is all below his head.

[1167] The ones at Cryo Health Care, they jack the temperature way down, like 240 degrees below zero.

[1168] And what they do is they freeze the air itself.

[1169] So the air they're pumping into is super cold air.

[1170] So you go in there with full, like, you're breathing in this cold air.

[1171] It's on your head.

[1172] Your full body is immersed in this cold air.

[1173] So it's way more intense.

[1174] And it's supposed to have way more benefit because your head gets cold too.

[1175] So the reaction that your body has for producing cytokines and anti -inflammatory cold shock proteins, your body freaks out way more when everything is covered, not just from the neck down, but your head too.

[1176] Really?

[1177] Yeah, so, too, I wish you were in town.

[1178] I'll take you there.

[1179] Yeah, that's pretty sweet.

[1180] We got out to this.

[1181] You got some other duties?

[1182] Yeah, I do.

[1183] What do you have to do?

[1184] Other UFC stuff?

[1185] No, not even, yeah, kind of, kind of not.

[1186] It's like my stuff.

[1187] I don't know.

[1188] I don't want to go, but I had to go.

[1189] You're like a big kid Oh it sucks My wife's like Just go And I put up a little fire That's funny I read your home right now I'm just training Like when you have a big fight How much of the big fight Is like how much of the pain in the ass Is doing press I've gotten used to it I want to say you're complaining about it But I mean as far as like time constraints Yeah sometimes it sucks Like you do suck Because like you're in your center You're thinking about doing this And they'll call you like hey You're like Right No, you know, but I understand that's part of the game and it helps, you know, promote you and, you know, your sales and, you know, paper views and all that stuff like that.

[1190] It does, but there's like a balance to be achieved, right?

[1191] That was Connor McGregor's argument.

[1192] Connor McGregor's argument was when he went on that world tour with Aldo, he's like, they just did way too much.

[1193] He's like, by the time you're doing all this, you don't have time to train.

[1194] He goes, there's no way you're going to train, recover, sleep correctly.

[1195] You're flying from one city to another country to another country.

[1196] and he was constantly on a jet.

[1197] Yeah, that was like, I mean, yeah, when I went to Australia, I mean, I flew Australia and I flew Australia and I actually was there in Australia.

[1198] I was there for like a day and a half and I flew back home.

[1199] That's crazy.

[1200] Yeah, it was bad.

[1201] So the flight is more, more time.

[1202] I think it was like a 20 -hour flight there and 20 -hour flight.

[1203] That flight sucks plates of dicks.

[1204] That flight is, you get out of there and you're just half a person.

[1205] You're like confused and, like, it's.

[1206] something happens to you when you're flying 16, 17 hours on a plane.

[1207] I was there after the flight, so I got there a week early before the flight.

[1208] I stayed for the week of the flight, and I was there like three or four more days later.

[1209] So I was there with three, what, three and a half, two and a half, two and a three weeks.

[1210] And I got home, and it was crazy.

[1211] So I get home like seven of the morning.

[1212] And when brothers in my house, my wife, me and my wife come home.

[1213] And I'm like, you know, I'm trying to keep my eyes open.

[1214] And like, it was like so miscombobulated.

[1215] So I get in the car, I almost forgot how to drive because I was on the other side of the You know, I mean, like, I'm with my brother, I'm like, you should probably drive as a way.

[1216] I'm like, because I have not been on the side of the road in a long time.

[1217] Were you driving in Australia?

[1218] No, no, but it was just, I was just, I was just, I was just being there.

[1219] Yeah, I was just saying that opposite the side was just so weird, you know, just everything was so awkward.

[1220] I mean, it was crazy.

[1221] I went, I went for a run, and there were freaking parrots and, like, kangaroos and shit.

[1222] Like, they're like, just regular, like, our seagulls and crows.

[1223] They're like, you know, I'm like running.

[1224] There's, like, there's, like, too can sand next to me. Yeah, Australia is a weird place, man. Yeah, it was crazy, but my time clock was screwed up.

[1225] I went to work a couple days later, and, like, I was still, like, four days later and I was still, like, messed up.

[1226] It was bad.

[1227] Yeah, it could fuck you up for a week or two.

[1228] But, you know, it's worth it just to go to Australia, just to see.

[1229] Amazing.

[1230] It's a great place.

[1231] Yeah, I have a bunch of family there.

[1232] When you have a big fight with a guy, like, say, Mark Hunt, where you know it could be a brawl, and that turned out to be a five -round fight, right?

[1233] Was it?

[1234] Yeah, four and a half.

[1235] Yeah, you stopped him in the fifth?

[1236] Yep.

[1237] when you have a fight like that and you know this is you're in there for the long haul do you plan on like staying for days after the fight to recover no i actually wanted to get home but i was a bad boy so they wanted me to do a couple like promotional things yeah so i was like i went out here because i get to see my family so i have family out of mr oh you have family out there oh no kidding yeah so we got hang out there for a little bit it was cool Did you see that video that they posted yesterday of these guys in Australia with a 39 -foot boat and a shark swam by it that was 20 feet long?

[1238] You see that video?

[1239] It's a fucking insane video because the shark is almost as big as the goddamn boat.

[1240] They have this 39 -foot boat and they have an overhead, like a drone footage of the shark swimming around the boat.

[1241] And I'm like, Jesus Christ.

[1242] I definitely shit my pants in that moment.

[1243] There's not much you can do.

[1244] I mean, you don't have a whole lot of options.

[1245] I mean, wow, it's like...

[1246] 20 -foot shark.

[1247] That's crazy.

[1248] Fuck all that.

[1249] And Australia has a ton of those.

[1250] They're all over the place.

[1251] Yeah, I mean, I was talking about.

[1252] This happens a lot, apparently.

[1253] It's found out like 18 -foot shark next to a 21 -foot boat.

[1254] Oh, fuck that.

[1255] Oh, my God.

[1256] You see those videos like, those whales and stuff that, like, sprout up.

[1257] Yeah.

[1258] Whoa, you know, like right next to the boat.

[1259] Yeah.

[1260] What is this one, Jamie?

[1261] It's the 18 -foot shirt next to the 21 -foot boat.

[1262] Oh, my God, that thing is big.

[1263] See how big the boat is.

[1264] Jesus Christ It's huge And it's just swimming Next to the boat Going can I eat you Hmm How do I eat you Hmm Not sure if I can eat you God damn Kid get back Get back That was your son Get back you little fuck Sit down Jesus Christ It's a shark Yeah They're Did you see the video The guy was diving The real recent video And they like hit the back It hit the shark came up And thumped the back of his head You see one guy He was fishing And he was like, I don't know, I think all the video, but he's like this, you know, old guys like this in the seat.

[1265] And honestly, he's like this and the swordfish.

[1266] Half of it, yeah.

[1267] No, no, the whole thing jumped in.

[1268] Oh, whoa.

[1269] It was just starting going crazy.

[1270] And one guy, like, jumped overboard because he, like, you didn't want to get, like, sauteed by this thing, you know.

[1271] And the guy's trying to, like, get out of the chair, I try to hurry up, you know.

[1272] So the fish was trying to get away from a shark?

[1273] No, I think he just flew in.

[1274] Just jumped in.

[1275] Oh, yeah.

[1276] Yeah.

[1277] Yeah.

[1278] I saw, like, I saw, like, the seal one time was, like, you jumped in the boat.

[1279] was trying to wait for my killer whale yeah dude my my oldest daughter when she was 13 we went fishing and she was a vegetarian at the time she loves animals and uh and i was like you know and she but she was eating fish i said listen let's just go fishing we'll catch a fish we'll cook it and you'll get like this sort of connection with your food is this what was this one was this one just in south beach the other day some guy just i don't know like probably 10 feet off the coast this guy's just trying to die what is he doing I don't know if he even saw it so anyway I'm on this boat and we catch a marlin within 10 minutes of the trip 10 minutes in we catch a marlin which is crazy right all of a sudden I'm pulling this thing in and it's not a big marlin it's probably like 80 pounds or something like that we get it into the boat and they beat the fucking thing to death with clubs right in front of her because that's They do.

[1280] They pull it in and they just fucking thump, thump, thump.

[1281] And she's sitting there, oh!

[1282] And then they put it on ice after that.

[1283] And then when they put it on ice, it's like still alive.

[1284] Every now and then he'd hear, like, his tail would be flapping out.

[1285] It would be spazin.

[1286] It would come back to life and they'd thub it in the head again.

[1287] She was a vegetarian for another year after that.

[1288] It took a while.

[1289] It took a while to turn her back around.

[1290] Oh, my God.

[1291] My thought was like, we're going to go catch some mahi.

[1292] Mahi, this is going to be great.

[1293] It's hard to catch a marlin.

[1294] You usually don't catch a marlin.

[1295] And we caught one within 10 minutes.

[1296] Yeah, it was...

[1297] I mean, you were maybe like, good dad.

[1298] You're like, I'm going to take the fish.

[1299] And then they'd just be the smash this marlin right in front of her.

[1300] It just was the total wrong experience.

[1301] Like my youngest daughters, I took them fishing, and they caught little fish, and it was a great experience.

[1302] It was like what I was hoping for.

[1303] Like, they caught little fish.

[1304] We brought it back to the restaurant.

[1305] The restaurant cooked them.

[1306] you were staying at a resort and that was great I was like whew nobody got clubbed I was terrified the first time I took him I'm like if you're fucking four and you watch a Marlin get clubbed to death you might not ever bounce back from that I don't know what I would do if I like if I was a child and saw that I'd probably be scarred for life yeah I mean it's I fucked up I didn't I just didn't I saw in time I've ever caught a marlin too I've gone ocean fishing a hundred times they never caught a marlin yeah I'm not even if I've never been ocean fishing Oh, it's the best.

[1307] Is it fun?

[1308] Yeah, man, it's amazing.

[1309] Yeah, the only thing that's kind of a bummer is a lot of times they just want to troll, right?

[1310] So they're just pulling the lines behind the boat.

[1311] So you're not really actively doing anything.

[1312] I like casting.

[1313] Yeah.

[1314] You know, like the best ocean fishing I've done is in Mexico for, I think they're either Skipjack or Amberjack tuna.

[1315] I forget what they're called.

[1316] But we would go and they would follow these seagulls and bait fish.

[1317] So like the bait fish would be frothing on the water because the tuna were underneath jacking them and then just cast into them and just, oh, it was amazing.

[1318] Where in Mexico?

[1319] It was outside of Cabo.

[1320] Oh, okay.

[1321] So it's like, no, no, it was outside Puerto Vallarta.

[1322] Yeah, it was outside Puerto Vallarta, so I'm not sure, like, what part of the ocean it was.

[1323] But it's great.

[1324] You know, it's like, when you eat a fish that you caught like an hour ago, you realize, like, wow, this tastes way better.

[1325] Yeah.

[1326] It's amazing.

[1327] Like, the degrading of the, it's kind of the opposite with meat.

[1328] Because with meat, like, you can eat a lot of meat fresh right after you kill it, and it tastes really good.

[1329] But much, much of, like, the best cuts of meat that you get, like, from a butcher or from a really good steak restaurant, they let it age.

[1330] You know, and apparently they do that with tuna, too.

[1331] Like, when you get sushi, I didn't know that.

[1332] Yeah, they let that shit age.

[1333] I love sushi.

[1334] Do you fish?

[1335] I mean, I used to, like, back in the day.

[1336] Yeah.

[1337] But I...

[1338] How do you have time, right?

[1339] Yeah, I'm kind of busy.

[1340] I have a little pond in my house, but I don't think...

[1341] You have a pond?

[1342] Yeah, it's not, like, not huge.

[1343] Probably, like, 20 yards, by, like, 20 yards.

[1344] It's not big at all.

[1345] But we do have, like, massive turtles.

[1346] Like, the one day...

[1347] Yeah, which I had no idea.

[1348] So, like, actually, we made a bet one of the UFC fights, and a bunch of my coaches were over.

[1349] And I was lit up having fun.

[1350] And I never bet.

[1351] And they're like, I bet you this person wins.

[1352] So I was like, I'll take that bet.

[1353] Like, what happens if you win?

[1354] I'm like, if the person that wins, you know, you can do everyone to pick whatever, you know, So I went, I'm like, all right, you guys have to get in the, get in a little shuttle boat, and you have to do across the lake.

[1355] We did the snowballs at you.

[1356] It was winter, middle winter.

[1357] And they're like, no, I'm like, 100%, you're going to do it.

[1358] So they did it.

[1359] And the best part was, it was covering an ice, so they couldn't go anywhere.

[1360] And if the pedal boat sucks.

[1361] So they're just sitting there, and I'm drilling them, like, so whatever.

[1362] And we do our thing.

[1363] And, like, months later, my wife's like, honey, she sends me a video of these massive snapping turtles.

[1364] They're, like, hate fucking each other.

[1365] Like, the ones, like, sitting.

[1366] I wonder if I can find them in my fucking.

[1367] phone.

[1368] The one's like this and I'll get some bag and I'll get some back and I also the girl's like like tries like bright's face off I'm like what the thing's going on it was like but they're like I mean they had both had to be that big they were massive and then I looked over and they had like a bunch of babies and they don't and they're next or so long like you have to grab them by like by the behind yeah they'll bite your hand off yeah so those just moved into your neighborhood is that what happened or were they always there where I live like it's weird so I have like a private drive from my house you can't see my house off the driveway so I have a little pond and so yeah but were they there before yeah they're always been there yeah they're always been yeah they go back and before there's a little pond next to it that connected where our driver is cook them up turtle soup must be half decent if you cook it right um what is your diet like um you know usual pizza beer yeah i frowned upon that i mean i joked around about that but we had Courtney do walter in she's the woman who won the moab 240 oh yeah yeah yeah yeah that chick is a fucking savage right she beat every Every man, every person who entered that race by a marathon length, 240 miles.

[1369] And she was ahead by more than 20 miles.

[1370] The next person, the second place person was more than 20 miles behind her when she won.

[1371] So it's like an ultramarathon?

[1372] Yeah, yeah.

[1373] So three days for some people.

[1374] But for her, she did it in, I think she did it in two, right?

[1375] She's an animal.

[1376] She's a fucking animal.

[1377] Anyway, beer, nachos, candy.

[1378] That's what she eats.

[1379] beer, nachos, and candy.

[1380] And we were like, what?

[1381] Like, I expected some sophisticated Kinojetic diet protocol where they're monitoring her fucking ketone levels and her blood and checking out.

[1382] All of her portions are mapped out.

[1383] It's like Eri and Drago running around.

[1384] When she was here, she just kept eating candy.

[1385] She was just eating candy, like M &Ms and shit.

[1386] I mean, I get like, I got meals.

[1387] Yeah, those are great.

[1388] I love them.

[1389] That's right.

[1390] Yeah, I work with that.

[1391] So you get a meal prep.

[1392] Yeah.

[1393] So they send me a bunch of stuff.

[1394] It's good.

[1395] You know, but I don't know, I'm a heavyweight, so I don't go, you know.

[1396] Right.

[1397] You know, some days a lot of pizza.

[1398] You can do whatever the fuck you want.

[1399] Yeah, exactly.

[1400] But I don't like.

[1401] Have you ever thought about trying to go to 205?

[1402] We thought about it, but it would be really tough.

[1403] What do you weigh now?

[1404] 240.

[1405] Yeah.

[1406] And you're not fat.

[1407] So, like, even if you got super lean, you're probably looking at 225 and then a hard 20 cut.

[1408] Yeah, they're at 225 class all day.

[1409] Yeah.

[1410] Easy make that.

[1411] I think there should be one.

[1412] Me too.

[1413] I think there should be a lot more.

[1414] weight classes.

[1415] I really do.

[1416] And I know there's a resistance because they want to keep the sport pure.

[1417] They don't want it like boxing with a weight class every four pounds.

[1418] But I feel like if you look at guys, there's a lot of guys that I think are tweeners.

[1419] You know, they're like they're quite, yeah.

[1420] Well, you're a heavyweight champ.

[1421] You can't say you're a tweener.

[1422] You're like me, but you can't say that because you're the champ.

[1423] But there's guys that, you know, like Diego Sanchez was always a good example.

[1424] He's a little bit too small to make 55.

[1425] When he tried to make 45 was a disaster.

[1426] But if there was a 65 -pound weight class, I think that's perfect for him.

[1427] And there's a lot of guys that, like, 70 to 85, that's a big jump, 85 to 205.

[1428] That's crazy.

[1429] That's got 20 pounds.

[1430] Yeah, I mean, I think definitely a few more weight classes, not like every two pounds.

[1431] Yeah, I think every 10 pounds.

[1432] Yeah, I think it'd be great, too.

[1433] I'd be on board for that.

[1434] I think that's the move.

[1435] Every 10 pounds, and then when you go 205, 205 to 225 to, it should be unlimited.

[1436] It shouldn't be 265.

[1437] That seems silly to me. But I think that, too, with those guys that are unlimited, they won't last long.

[1438] They might not.

[1439] But Ingano's cutting weight to get to 265.

[1440] Or you ate 250 last five, I thought.

[1441] No, no, he weighed 260 something.

[1442] He weighed 263?

[1443] 263 or 264.

[1444] Yeah.

[1445] No, he's cutting weight.

[1446] Oh, cool.

[1447] Good for him.

[1448] Yeah, it's a big fellow.

[1449] Yeah.

[1450] But obviously, there's pros and cons to being big.

[1451] And the con is, if you're getting into the third, fourth, and fifth rounds, you know, those big guys are not known for their endurance.

[1452] Yeah, they say that the weight class, like, there's, like, there's always a thought in MMA, like when Kane Velasquez was on top, there was a thought that that might be the perfect size, like 240.

[1453] Like, anything bigger than that, maybe it's just, like, not worth it, because a 240 -pound man could basically knock out anybody on the planet.

[1454] Yeah.

[1455] You know, so the power's still there, but you have more, like, nobody had more endurance than Kane.

[1456] No, no, I think so.

[1457] I think being like $2 .40, you know, you still got the cardio, still got the strength, still got the speed.

[1458] I mean, I love me where I'm at.

[1459] You know, I don't try again.

[1460] I mean, I'm not going to push more.

[1461] You ever thought about gaining or no?

[1462] No, I mean, I've gained.

[1463] I remember after Mark Hunt height, man, Mark Hunt, I kind of went on the deep end and just went out of the deep end and just went out of living it out of life.

[1464] And I showed up in the scale.

[1465] I was like, $2 .59.

[1466] Wow.

[1467] I never waited on my life.

[1468] Do you take a picture, like, holding your gut?

[1469] No, I didn't actually.

[1470] I looked exactly the same.

[1471] I just looked a little thicker.

[1472] Nothing, like, bad.

[1473] So it filled out good.

[1474] Yeah, it was a good, yeah.

[1475] I think a lot of them in the ass, too.

[1476] So if you were a chick, it would have been a good move.

[1477] Man, I would have been twerking all day.

[1478] Tony Ram, go back to the whole Ultramarathon thing.

[1479] So I'm a weirdo, and so I found out about Ocho Marathon.

[1480] So I go on Wikipedia and I start reading all about it.

[1481] Yeah.

[1482] Like, they were talking about the top three guys.

[1483] Like, they're crazy.

[1484] Like, the one guy was the first ever one other guy like that did awesome Was it a cattle runner, cattle, like, guy, cattle farmer guy?

[1485] Cattle farmer?

[1486] Yeah, yeah.

[1487] So they run through the night.

[1488] Well, he didn't sleep at night, so he would just run and keep running.

[1489] He didn't run fast, but then they had another guy.

[1490] Oh, I saw that guy.

[1491] I saw a video about that guy.

[1492] And then there was another guy.

[1493] He was, like, third years old.

[1494] He had, like, epiphany.

[1495] He was, like, he was drinking one night, and he just got sick of, like, he just went to drink one night for his birthday party, put on his shoes and just start running.

[1496] You could still run, and he, like, tore it up again.

[1497] I don't know who the guy's name was.

[1498] He's like, at one point he was sleeping, running, and, like, he's still like...

[1499] While he was sleeping, he was running?

[1500] Yeah, he was running, he was sleeping.

[1501] Yeah, I can't talk.

[1502] Give me a break.

[1503] But he's like...

[1504] But he's like, they watched him sleep while he's running.

[1505] Whoa.

[1506] I don't remember, and the guy, like, he's like...

[1507] Snoring?

[1508] No, no, I'm saying.

[1509] You were just running.

[1510] Like, he just, I don't know if he was snoring, but, like, they had another time, like, they were saying a story about he, like, twists his ankle in the beginning of the race, and it was, like, at size of a grapefruit.

[1511] he still destroyed everyone waited at the finish line and high -fied everyone at the cross finish line wow like it's gonna bottom man look it up he was like I don't know it's like did you find it this is the one guy that Cliff Young shuffle yeah that's the yeah that's the cattle rancher guy yeah so he he does he kind of has a shuffle and the idea was that that shuffle allowed him to save energy because he wasn't like picking up his legs like really high he's just kind of like shuffling along Yeah, I remember this guy Yeah, look at him He competed without his false teeth Because they rattled when he ran Jesus Christ They were 61 when he showed up And no one thought he knew what he was doing They didn't know what he knew what he signed up for Wow, meanwhile he won Well, the history is filled with guys like that It's like everybody thinks they know Exactly how everything works Until someone comes along that's a completely unique version that no one has seen before like that guy doing his little shuffle or like this Courtney Dolter chick she just won she just beat the world record for the most amount of hours a woman has ever run in 24 hours she's a freak and again candy drinking beer nachos they watch those people like run marathons like it's crazy I remember one year I had my one coach he did like security detail for like the Cleveland Revgo marathon on.

[1512] So I'm like, I sat there.

[1513] It was a worst day in my life, though.

[1514] I literally sat by in the van driving five miles per hour behind these people running.

[1515] So they fell off.

[1516] I'd pick them up and take them to the finish line.

[1517] But it was just crazy watch.

[1518] They were so like nuts.

[1519] I'm another one guy.

[1520] We stopped to check on him.

[1521] He's like, you're like, you're like, you're right?

[1522] And I got an ivy on and stuff like that.

[1523] He's like, yeah, I'll be fine.

[1524] He put an ivy in him.

[1525] He went to go finish the race, right?

[1526] This guy's like dead almost.

[1527] It gets Ivy, comes back to life.

[1528] He's like, I got this.

[1529] It starts running again, and I'll never forget, we're about to be done, and I see the guy running.

[1530] He's about 100 yards away, and he starts, like, tripping and falling, and he couldn't finish the race.

[1531] Wow, 100 yards away?

[1532] Yeah, he's like, literally 100 yards away.

[1533] He couldn't finish it.

[1534] I was like, oh, I felt so bad for the guy.

[1535] But he was like, literally about to fall pass out the first time.

[1536] They put an ivy, felt gray.

[1537] He's like, I'm good, leave me alone.

[1538] Took off again and then.

[1539] It's endurance racing is a totally different kind of thing as far as, like, the mindset.

[1540] Like, if you think about a five -round heavyweight title fight is a grueling affair, right?

[1541] It's 25 minutes of throwing bones at the best fighters in the world, but it's still 25 minutes.

[1542] These motherfuckers, like this Courtney Dolter chick, she's running for three days.

[1543] That's crazy.

[1544] What is this?

[1545] It was a Dallas Marathon.

[1546] This was a lady that was winning.

[1547] She got to the end and she just collapsed and this girl helped her.

[1548] She's like a high schooler.

[1549] She was running one of the shorter races and just saw her and just like was compelled to help her finish.

[1550] Do you still win the race?

[1551] I guess the lady said she was afraid she was going to get disqualified because someone was helping her, but they still, she's still won.

[1552] I would get that chick's on that money.

[1553] So someone's helping her.

[1554] That seems weird.

[1555] Sort of helping her.

[1556] You can kind of tell us she doesn't really care.

[1557] She's picking her up, though.

[1558] She's picking her up every time she falls.

[1559] I feel like that's cheating.

[1560] They might have had some rules.

[1561] I don't know.

[1562] Listen.

[1563] What about the rules when people poop?

[1564] Tell that bitch you get back her metal.

[1565] No. Just kidding.

[1566] Just kidding.

[1567] That's what a courage, man. Yeah.

[1568] They poop himself or something like that.

[1569] Is that legal?

[1570] I don't know.

[1571] They said in fights now if you poop yourself, they stopped the fight.

[1572] A lot of guys have shit themselves.

[1573] A lot of guys.

[1574] Famously.

[1575] Yeah.

[1576] I mean I wrestled guy in college one time that shit his pants.

[1577] I remember Michael Kiesa, who was he fighting?

[1578] Benile Darayush.

[1579] And right before the fight started, he leans over to the kid.

[1580] He goes, dude, he goes, I might shit myself during the fight.

[1581] I go, you serious?

[1582] And he's like, I got a shit so bad.

[1583] Are you serious?

[1584] And he wound up choking out Daryush.

[1585] And we were talking about afterwards.

[1586] He goes, bro, he goes, something will happen during the fight it went away but I was convinced I was gonna shit myself really he goes I just got out there and I was like oh no that's the worst feeling I was terrible feeling that'd be like Arlowski like where my hotel time they're coming to get me and I'm like you know what I'm just shit make sure thank God I shit because whatever came out of me like it was like just disgusting diarrhea and I'm like I get done I'm like imagine holding that in oh yeah I didn't feel like I had to go but I was like you know just checked me on safe side you know man thank God I fucking that was a big win for you too that was good one good start of it all yeah it was a big one because it was a big one because it was was like a definitive it was like you were marching towards the title and then when you blasted or lovsky out there's like all right this guy's the guy's the next guy well it took a little long of map yeah but i mean you know what i'm saying like that was like the definitive like you're like i want my fucking shot like where's my fucking shot like right then and there like that was sort of one of those moments where like you got to give this guy the shot yeah yeah i know appreciate you help me out with that too so i appreciate that you know i'm a big fair no i appreciate and then the title fight man holy shit that must have been amazing Knocking out Verdume in Brazil like that with one punch.

[1587] And holy shit.

[1588] That was like one of the best title fight winning performances ever.

[1589] Yeah, it was a good night, man. You know, I actually work on that a lot, step over, right across and the guy chasing you down.

[1590] Just getting an angle, you know.

[1591] And, you know, it was just, what a great night.

[1592] You know, I wouldn't be there without my coaches, honestly.

[1593] They're just great people.

[1594] Of course.

[1595] They're just, like, the stories I'm there just because they put so much time and effort into me. I got to say it all over and over again, but they're just amazing guys.

[1596] I'm very lucky to have them in my corner.

[1597] Well, they're very lucky to have you, too.

[1598] You know, it takes both.

[1599] You know, and you're right.

[1600] You know, you have a great relationship with your coaches, too, which is very important, I think.

[1601] Like, like, you're saying about having a great wife, having great friends, having a great support system, like, all that stuff, like, for your mind, for your mindset, it's great.

[1602] But having coaches that you have a great relationship with, that you really, you know they're looking out for you.

[1603] You know they're working hard for you.

[1604] You guys are in there together.

[1605] Yeah, yeah.

[1606] I mean, this is what I love about my head coach, Marcus.

[1607] I looked at him like a long time ago, and I was like, man, once I was he retired today?

[1608] He's like, more time to drink wine, bro.

[1609] You know what I mean?

[1610] Like, that's what I love about him.

[1611] He's fine, yeah.

[1612] He's like, I don't care, dude.

[1613] You can do what you want.

[1614] I just joke around and see what he would say.

[1615] You know, he's like, bro, he's like, whatever.

[1616] He's like, listen, I just want you to be happy, you know.

[1617] That's the best kind of coach, man. That's the best kind of coach.

[1618] That way when you retire, the worst is the kind of coach that wants a guy to fight when you really know it's over.

[1619] Yeah.

[1620] You know, and the guy really should be stepping away.

[1621] And then you see them, you know, trying to give the guy the pep talk.

[1622] And you know, the best days are in the past.

[1623] Yeah, that's why, Mark is actually real good at that.

[1624] You know, we've got a couple guys that were like, I want to go.

[1625] He's like, he's like, yeah, I ain't going to be in your corner.

[1626] He's like, you should retire.

[1627] Yeah, I mean, he would really kill him inside of telling that.

[1628] But he's like, listen, no. You know what?

[1629] This is an important point to talk about.

[1630] But you remember that feeling that you felt like after this true fight?

[1631] It's like, you've got to kind of figure that out on your own and come back on.

[1632] on your own yeah right and some guys they have that feeling and then they're never they're same again they never reach those same like you got better for sure you rose above that but some people are dwarfed by bad performances or bad knockout or whatever it is and they just never they're never the same again yeah i mean i just i think it's you know just two to type people you're they're going to go above beyond or you're not i mean that's just how it is yeah but there's also stages in your life too right where you just don't want to do it anymore like you see some guys who at one point in time great driven fighters and then the grind just gets to them yeah yeah i mean i i totally understand like i mean i was just talking to who they're talking to about this valante yeah i was seen the last i mean i've had i mean 11 ufc fights i think more than 11 of those have been five rounders i've trained that's insane yeah my third my fourth ufc fighter was a five -rounder and even if they didn't go five rounds you're still training for five yeah you're doing a camp for five rounds i mean i mean yeah a lot of them ever since the vadoom fight was so crazy because i almost think you benefited from it being in brazil because it seemed like verdum was so emotional and so ramped up because it was in brazil he's like chasing after you which i was like this is crazy yeah i think a little bit too is that you know we knew exactly who was going to do and so he did everything he wanted to do and he just wasn't following him for anything he wanted you know you went for a flying knee you went for a takedown you went for a body kick i just wasn't giving anything you wanted you know and i think you realized that it wasn't going anywhere you also caught him before that big punch too yeah when we watched the fight we did a fight companion we watched the fight you clipped him early and i was like he's hurt like you could tell there was something going on like when he got hit like and then he tried to get it back and you know when a guy gets hit and then just tries extra hard to get it back like a lot of times they're exposed and you just caught that right hand perfect yeah thank god yeah we wouldn't be here right now what was that feeling like man awesome like so when i hit him then he fell and i was like he fell you know what i mean because like it was the last time he's been knocked out like that right you know i mean i just he was out junior was the last time that was like real really you know and i was like he's on a tear and i'm like holy shit so i gave me a couple uh uh extra ones right and then you know um i stopped the fight i looked at all right so my coach was like oh hell yeah so i run over and i was like i'm you know like no one heard this before that but before i said i'm a world champ i looked at my coaches i'm like we did it we did it you know that's what i told them i was we all did it you know then i said i'm a world champ and i kind of like frank the tank i blacked out and didn't remember what i said after that but uh you know it was uh it was awkward too because it was so quiet in there and all i heard was myself screaming oh it was amazing it was amazing we were clapping when you were when you when you hopped over the the octagon and you're standing there you're like i'm a world champ I'm the world champ It was like setting in Like you could see it Those moments man Those are some of my all time favorite moments When a guy realizes like The biggest dream The biggest accomplishment Of his career Thus far at least And to see a guy like you win the title It's just There's nothing like that man It's nothing like that Yeah it was just great You know It was 45 ,000 We had about 15 people there So 45 ,000 people rooting for Fabricio Verdom Yeah actually it was 44 ,985, I had 15 there for me, so I forget.

[1633] And then, boom.

[1634] Yeah, it was, my, my brother, my cousins, and they're all the top row with my buddies.

[1635] And when I knocked them out, they all were all going, like, yeah, they're going crazy.

[1636] And actually, they're like, oh.

[1637] Yeah.

[1638] And they're all the Brazans are looking at, I'm like, it's up, bro.

[1639] You know, like, it's up.

[1640] They're like, we're sorry.

[1641] They're like, it's okay.

[1642] You know, congratulations.

[1643] They were really nice about, you know, they were.

[1644] Oh, that's cool.

[1645] But it must have been silent in there, though, when you dropped them.

[1646] Oh, it was, honestly, it was so awkward.

[1647] It was so awkward.

[1648] Like, it was just, because I remember sharing myself screaming.

[1649] Like, I'm like, yay, we got out of the champ, you know.

[1650] What was the crowd doing?

[1651] Nothing.

[1652] They were just quiet.

[1653] I mean, it was just quiet.

[1654] It was really, like, I remember hearing my wife screaming.

[1655] I heard her screaming, and that was about it.

[1656] Wow.

[1657] Yeah.

[1658] It was awkward, you know, and then, you know, clean it was like a toll and 180, you know, that was crazy, too.

[1659] I'm sure.

[1660] You know, being put in my ass and then getting up and when the zombie mode, didn't care after that.

[1661] Wow.

[1662] It's a crazy time for you.

[1663] You know?

[1664] Yeah.

[1665] You're the UFC heavyweight champion in the world.

[1666] I mean, one day you're going to look back.

[1667] You're talking to your grandkids.

[1668] You're talking about the time like now, and you're the fucking champ of the world.

[1669] Yeah.

[1670] That's pretty intense.

[1671] Yeah, I'm excited, man. I just have something, you know, that, you know, be proud of my wife, my mom.

[1672] You know, he's like, hey, you know, my son actually did something with his life, you know?

[1673] Well, what I'm excited about, too, for you for this in Gano Fight is there's going to be a lot of people buying this on paper.

[1674] review.

[1675] This is going to be a big fight.

[1676] And these big fights, this is what makes a champion popular.

[1677] I mean, this is, I mean, historically in boxing, they've always said, that the health of the heavyweight division just represents, like, boxing overall.

[1678] I don't think that's the case anymore.

[1679] Because now in boxing, you've got all these lightweight guys like Kanati Golovkin, Canala Alvarez, Lomachenko, all these big stars now that are emerging in a lighter weight divisions just because they're so skillful and talented.

[1680] Andre Ward, But I think in the heavyweight division of the UFC, it's been a while since people, like, really pumped up about a big heavyweight title fight.

[1681] Yeah.

[1682] You know, I'm excited, man. Listen, he's a good, tough dude, you know?

[1683] I mean, you can bring the pain so a lot.

[1684] But unfortunately, I'm not walking out without that belt.

[1685] I'm still a champ.

[1686] And still.

[1687] When you see a guy like that, what preparations?

[1688] Like, what do you think is different about him than guys you fought before?

[1689] And what are you going to do different?

[1690] Well, I mean, every guy is different.

[1691] I mean, every fight's different.

[1692] You know, like, yeah, everyone's like, oh, my God, it's punching power.

[1693] I mean, listen, there's a lot of guys hit hard.

[1694] I mean, there's no question.

[1695] He does hit hard.

[1696] I mean, but I'm going to not be stupid, put myself in a position where I'm going to get hit.

[1697] You know, I'm going to do things that make him feel uncomfortable, and I'm going to do what I'm going to do.

[1698] I'm not going to sit there and let him do what he wants.

[1699] I'm going to dictate what I want.

[1700] When you see the rest of the heavyweight division, do you see any standouts or any guys that are coming up that are exciting to you?

[1701] honestly I don't pay attention you don't pay attention not really that's that's a fascinating thing because some people do you know I talked to Matt Hughes after Matt Hughes got beat by BJ Penn and this is what he said it was really fascinating because he had he's got so much courage that guy like to say this in an interview as well he's like honestly it's a relief he's like being the champ was like so much pressure it was just it's overwhelming so having this happen honestly right now I feel relieved.

[1702] And I was like, wow, that's crazy.

[1703] Yeah.

[1704] You know, it's not like he gave up.

[1705] I mean, he fought his heart out, but he got caught and got choked out.

[1706] And then to go from that to say, you know, honestly, he's relieved.

[1707] And then rebounds and then gets back on the horse.

[1708] And, you know, probably had to have that experience just to have the perspective that, or I don't know if you ever had the perspective that you have, but your perspective is different in that you, like, you don't seem to be concerned.

[1709] Well, I mean, I'm concerned.

[1710] There's no question.

[1711] Every fight, you know, I'm nervous and always, you know, never know what's going to happen.

[1712] That's what, you know, as real as it gets, because you never know what's going to happen.

[1713] But you're not concerned that all these guys nipping at your heels, all these guys coming up the ladder.

[1714] It's part of the game.

[1715] That's what I signed up for.

[1716] Yeah.

[1717] You know, I mean, if I didn't want to do it, I wouldn't do it.

[1718] You know, I knew that, you know, one day I would be the champ, and I knew there were people were coming from my belt.

[1719] Yeah.

[1720] I don't understand that.

[1721] And, you know, and there's a lot of good guys out there that, I mean, you know, like, you know, fighting JDS, fighting over you, for Doom, you know, Nagani.

[1722] I mean, they all want a piece of it, you know, I understand.

[1723] They, no matter who it is, it's not only just me. It's just whoever, when Kane was fighting, you know, when, you know, I just overdue him, you know, I ever wanted a piece of the title.

[1724] Well, you know, it's an interesting thing, too, because what we're seeing today with MMA, we're seeing this combination, like this marriage of fighting with promotion.

[1725] I can't do it.

[1726] Yeah, you're not that guy.

[1727] I hate it.

[1728] But you not being that guy is promotable.

[1729] This is what, it's like, it's almost like, no, first of all, I don't think the UFC has a, enough resources to promote every fighter adequately.

[1730] Because I think UFC is a promotional entity, but it's also like the sanctioning body, you know, like the, not the sanctioning body, but they're the ones who put on the fights.

[1731] They're the ones who decide who fights, and you've got a 500 fighter roster.

[1732] Whereas, like, in other organizations, you would have a, you know, you would have a bunch of different venues and avenues where different fighters could go.

[1733] when a guy like you is the heavyweight champion, blue -collar guy, works as a firefighter.

[1734] You know, you got a great story.

[1735] You're a fun guy.

[1736] Like, does it frustrate you that people expect you to talk shit?

[1737] And, I mean, you're seeing all these guys that are getting a lot of attention now for it.

[1738] Obviously, Conner's the master at it, right?

[1739] But you're seeing other guys that are, you know, trying that route, trying to say outrageous shit to try to get attention, you know?

[1740] Yeah, I'm not going to be a copycat.

[1741] Right.

[1742] It's too exhausting for me to figure out what I'm going to say and what I want to say and hurt someone's feelings.

[1743] I don't like, I don't care.

[1744] Right.

[1745] I got more important shit to worry about.

[1746] Like, I got my kitchen, I had to figure and fix that.

[1747] Like, I don't, I didn't worry about that.

[1748] I didn't worry about, like, what the next guy I was going to fight was going to say.

[1749] I was going to say it about it.

[1750] Like, I'm good, man. Like, I'm just going to do my thing.

[1751] I'm going to go on there.

[1752] I'm going to beat your ass.

[1753] I'm going to walk out.

[1754] I'm a champ.

[1755] I'm torn because on one hand, I'm like, I love a good shit talk.

[1756] concession i like shit talking like listen if it's the fire station all day man i thought i should talk the best of them you know but i just don't want to go out my way and just hurt someone's feelings i don't even know yeah but like colby covington like he's making a name for himself but he's making a name for himself not just beating good guys like damien maya but talking mad shit yeah like talking shit in Brazil and you see one for rizio overdue him hit him in the head with a with a bang boom right doesn't he have to go to court for that i think he's got to go to court for that he's just let it go he's got to fly all the way to australia to go to court for that it's crazy Let it go Come on Fucking boomerang It wasn't trying to hit him I mean he wasn't trying to kill him He just threw whatever he had in his hands I don't know It's pretty sweet though Give him a fine Give him a little fine In Australia right Yeah It's great Yeah it's like hitting something in the head With a koala bear Right You got a bottle of vegomine Or something like that Oh god That stuff's so salty I like that stuff You really?

[1757] Yeah I do I never had it I did it one time It was so salty It's good with butter Yeah with butter on bread but the thing like has there been any pressure on you to try to talk some shit to try to like promote things more no I mean they tell me like you're your own promoter I'm like well okay that's what they say to you like how does the UFC say it I mean no I mean they just I don't know like I don't really care what you know they think want me to do like promote I'm not going to promote myself like I'm right that's what you guys are in a promoting company that's what you're supposed to do you guys do that you know I just you know I think they'd rather, you know, 50 -50 with it, but I don't see it that way.

[1758] Well, I think they would rather someone who's just promotes themselves.

[1759] Like, Connor McGregor's a perfect example, but he's a fucking unicorn.

[1760] Yeah.

[1761] Like, every now and then, one guy comes along that has, first of all, he has an entire country behind him.

[1762] Like, I've never seen anything like that.

[1763] Like, Ireland's not a big country, but it seems like they're the biggest country in the world when Connor's fighting.

[1764] I mean, he's fighting in Vegas against an American, and there's more Irish people in the audience.

[1765] I mean, that's just bananas, right?

[1766] but when they got a guy like that they kind of get spoiled like hey this is this is how you got to do it you got to do it like connor does it well not everybody's connor you know so like for a guy like you to see all these guys getting a lot of attention and they're very good fighters as well and connor's case great fighters as well but the thing is the shit talking like that's that's sort of what's ramping everything up that's what's getting all these people to buy the pay -per -view right yeah i mean if someone came out me you know of course I'm to defend myself.

[1767] I'm pretty witty.

[1768] You know, I mean, I'm a fireman I get shit talked to every day by, you know, five or six guys.

[1769] So, like I said, I just want to go out of my way and just, just have other stuff to worry about, like, training -wise.

[1770] And, like, what am I going to tweet today?

[1771] Right, right, right.

[1772] It's too much.

[1773] Made Chale's sonnen's career.

[1774] Yeah, I mean.

[1775] Other than being a great fighter.

[1776] Yeah.

[1777] But it did.

[1778] Chale's, like, career, really took off when he started talking shit.

[1779] If people remember Chale in the early days of his career, he was a gentleman.

[1780] He was a gentleman.

[1781] you absolutely suck.

[1782] That's my belt.

[1783] And it's like a W .W .E. Everybody's going crazy, and Chale took it to a new level.

[1784] Like, Chale opened up the door to a lot of shit talkers of the modern era.

[1785] He really let him know, like, look, the guy promoted the fuck out of some fights.

[1786] Do you like take classes or anything that?

[1787] I'm not trying to be funny.

[1788] I mean, he's just very smart.

[1789] You ever talk to him?

[1790] No, yeah, he's very intelligent, yeah.

[1791] Very smart.

[1792] I did a couple of his radio shows.

[1793] Exceptionally smart.

[1794] and very articulate, very, he's got a great vocabulary and just knows...

[1795] You're right there, I have no vocabulary, I'm not articulate, I'm screwed.

[1796] But you're you.

[1797] I think, I always said that, like, people just need to...

[1798] It's almost like there's no way...

[1799] I mean, other than, like, maybe having a podcast or something like that, there's no...

[1800] And I know that Tyron does that now.

[1801] Tyron Woodley has his own podcast, and I think a couple other guys maybe as well.

[1802] But it's hard.

[1803] It's hard for people to get to know you.

[1804] All they see is this.

[1805] stoic fireman who goes out there and fucks people up you know they're not which should be enough who doesn't want that that's what i say it should be enough but it's like to it's hard i think it's hard for the ufc to figure out how to promote everybody no yeah i understand i mean you like you said there's 500 people on the roster and all that so yeah definitely um yeah yeah whatever it is what it is what we need to do well can make everyone happy well i think the embedded helped me out a little bit yes i think embedded's a great i think those help me out a little bit too they help you You got a lot.

[1806] Yeah, they get the chance to see who you really are.

[1807] I love in the comments.

[1808] It's either I'm too loose or my wife's got a fat ass.

[1809] Both might be true.

[1810] That's true.

[1811] But there's nothing wrong with, you know, first of all, I can't read the comments.

[1812] Oh, I love it.

[1813] I laugh.

[1814] Do you don't freak out?

[1815] Back in the day, when I lost the street or anything, I was like, people would write me like novels, to tell how bad a person I was, I should kill myself.

[1816] That was the worst fighter America.

[1817] I was in the world.

[1818] I'm like, oh, my God.

[1819] Oh, my God.

[1820] And my wife's like, stop reading it.

[1821] So I deleted my Facebook account.

[1822] Did you?

[1823] Yeah, I deleted it.

[1824] I went, and then I get my epiphany, I said, screw it, I don't care anymore.

[1825] So now, if you watch my Instagram once in a while, I'll take, some dude tag me or something, he'll be like, what's up, Joe, what's up your, you know, say something stupid.

[1826] Like, you're a paper champion.

[1827] I was like, he's like, he's a fake, he's a paper champion.

[1828] I'm like, I know, dude, totally fake and a paper champion.

[1829] Do you need his ass beat?

[1830] You know what I'll put, and out, it's me. You talk about me, and these guys are like, and they won't.

[1831] put a word.

[1832] I'm like, what the fuck, man?

[1833] Come back with me something, man. Like, you know, like, now, I just laugh at it.

[1834] I just think it's funny as shit, you know.

[1835] But isn't it kind of a waste of energy to engage with those people, or you actually enjoy it?

[1836] I actually enjoy it.

[1837] I think it's funny.

[1838] You know what the difference is?

[1839] I have the people, though, usually hit me up on a message, and they'll be like, bro, I just love a champ.

[1840] I just wanted to get a reaction out of you.

[1841] I'm like, oh, you're that guy.

[1842] That guy.

[1843] Yeah.

[1844] Those guys are the saddest.

[1845] Yeah.

[1846] But it's also, like, after this true fight, you were at your lowest.

[1847] So you're reading comments when you actually lost.

[1848] Now you're reading comments when you're the heavyweight champion of the world.

[1849] It's like, what are you going to say, bitch?

[1850] Yeah, it's true.

[1851] What the fuck you're going to say?

[1852] Kiss the rain.

[1853] The worst thing, you know, they could say is they can't say anything.

[1854] You're fucking, you're the champ.

[1855] Yeah, you're going to lose someday.

[1856] Like, that's the worst thing they can say.

[1857] Yeah, probably.

[1858] Most likely, if you keep going eventually, it'd be 80.

[1859] Yeah, I mean, that's going to suck.

[1860] Yeah, I mean, everybody, if you keep going, will lose, including Mayweather, including everybody who's ever lived.

[1861] If you keep going, long enough, Father time will kick your ass.

[1862] One hundred percent.

[1863] And someone will be there to help them out.

[1864] Fuck, I go mow on my three acres once a week and I'm like, I get done.

[1865] I'm like, oh.

[1866] How old are you?

[1867] I'm 35.

[1868] You're still all right.

[1869] You still got a couple of years.

[1870] Heavy words, they say mature later in life.

[1871] Yeah.

[1872] Not when I cut the grass, bro.

[1873] I feel like I'm 95, man. I get done and my back is like tight and sore.

[1874] I'm like, God dang.

[1875] I'm cutting grass?

[1876] Yeah, yeah.

[1877] I got a big scag, man. I fly around.

[1878] I get done.

[1879] I wake up in the morning.

[1880] I'm like, oh, like, everything hurts.

[1881] one inch like it's like a commercial on more oh you got one of them bad but those seems like fun oh it's flies but that that hurts your back yeah because I'm always bouncing like it's not a perfect level sometimes the fucking daily grind of MMA training like what that's got to be doing to your body like when you're talking about how you barely get out of bed like some days most people would think like they see you fighting like this fucking guy's just doing cartwheels all around his house all day and it's so bad like I'll wake up in the morning and my wife like hey I'm like hey I'm like She'll keep me a coffee?

[1882] She wants you to get her a coffee?

[1883] Yeah, it's what I do for me. Who's the fucking champ?

[1884] Oh, yeah, I know.

[1885] Who's the champ?

[1886] I'm fourth of my house.

[1887] The champ doesn't get coffee?

[1888] I'm like, fourth of my house, man. It's like her of the dogs and me. Like, I guess I'm there to pay the bills, man. I think that's good for you, though.

[1889] I really do.

[1890] I think that's healthy.

[1891] Just like have somebody you got to answer to sometimes.

[1892] I love it.

[1893] Honestly, like, you know, she takes care of me, man. She does a lot for me, so it's the least I can do for her.

[1894] You know what I mean?

[1895] She's a good woman.

[1896] And she, like I said, we had that, like, the big storm.

[1897] I had no idea what to do.

[1898] She called insurance.

[1899] She screened with them, got more shit that we needed them, you know, that we needed.

[1900] And I wouldn't.

[1901] I'm like, oh, yeah, that's fine.

[1902] They gave me, like, a little check, and I'm fine with it.

[1903] You should film, like, you getting out of bed in the morning.

[1904] Maybe you should do something like that for, like, Instagram.

[1905] To, like, an Instagram video, you, here we go.

[1906] Oh.

[1907] I mean, people just don't, they don't know, because all they're seeing is you, K .O. and Fabricio Verduin, knocking out Junior Dos Santos, raising your hands, you know, all of the glory moments.

[1908] I think that's one of the things that Embedded does really well is they show like, hey, this is a fucking grind for weeks and weeks and weeks and weeks until you get into a cage for a fist fight.

[1909] And this is a fucking brutal way to get by in life.

[1910] And you can go 30 seconds or in about 25 minutes.

[1911] Yeah.

[1912] Which, of course, really go 30.

[1913] second to win but yeah maybe they should do something like that for this fight like really like follow you from beginning to end like see see what it's like when you're getting up in the morning and then just put it together for something after the fight yeah you know yeah I mean it sucks in some days man you know like other days I'm like god damn it's it I'm so sorry like you know me like man it sucks like I sleep wrong like unfortunately we let the dog sleep in bed oh no I get like one eighth of the bed every king size bed so the white sprawled out like a skydiver Yeah, I'm like, I'm like, honey, can't have some covers, please?

[1914] You know, like, yeah.

[1915] And then the dogs are fart in your face.

[1916] Oh, last night was so bad, man. Primo, God, that dude, hot stinks last night.

[1917] Yeah, I had her move.

[1918] My dog was watching TV with me last night.

[1919] Farting up a storm.

[1920] Dude, it's not cool.

[1921] It's the worst.

[1922] But when do you, like, have a, like, how do you know when to call it?

[1923] Like, if you get up in the morning and you're, like, real fucking sore and you just can't, how do you know when, like, maybe I should take.

[1924] today off?

[1925] I usually know about that night, the night before.

[1926] Yeah.

[1927] I talk to my coaches, you know, and, you know, a little bit like, hey, how do you feel?

[1928] And just how my sparring goes and stuff like that or grappling, whatever I do, some type of my condition, like my sparring session, if it's, you know, I'm going to make kickboxing or boxing or jihitsu, whatever it is.

[1929] They just watch me, and they're like, how are you feeling?

[1930] I'm like, I feel like, like, shit.

[1931] And they're like, all right, you know, let's just take tomorrow off and leave that.

[1932] Or just, you know, take half a day and then work out in night.

[1933] And when you do take a day off, do you do, like, ice bath?

[1934] or, like, how do you try to accelerate the recovery?

[1935] Yeah, usually, like, ice bath, absent salt or something.

[1936] Or I just leave and you know that I sleep all day.

[1937] I literally just eat and sleep all day.

[1938] Just sleep, just catch up my rest.

[1939] Yeah, it's interesting, though, because there's no real set thing where you can know when to do it when not to.

[1940] He's got to do it all by feel?

[1941] Yeah, I think just knowing your body.

[1942] I think it's one thing I've picked up well -on since I started fighting and just knowing my body.

[1943] Because, you know, I think you're the best critic on your body because, like, back in the day we used to do K -Van.

[1944] training you know like I feel fine you know I'm fine but there's nothing too is like we're so used to training a certain way you can get through those workouts even if you're tired and sore but I can go and pick up a bag of groceries and blow up my back right right like you know I pick up a baby or put put on my shoe like I never had it but I just you do random stuff that you don't do every day like you know you pick up a bag of groceries out you're oh my back oh your back goes out but then I can go and spar five five in rounds and my body's dead but yeah I can make it through just because I'm so used to my body being right which yeah that's the weirdest thing, right, was you do the most ridiculous, hardcore shit, and then like you just go to tie your shoes wrong and something tweaks.

[1945] Yeah.

[1946] Like, what is that?

[1947] Like, what's causing that?

[1948] Actually, after my over -room fight, I'm sitting there and we're on the boat with my buddy with his parents, we're hanging out.

[1949] We're just, you know, a couple cocktails, a little day drinking.

[1950] We're hanging out, driving around Brown Stadium in the water.

[1951] And he has this little, like, four -pound dog.

[1952] I was like, oh, what's up, girl?

[1953] How you doing?

[1954] I go to pick her up, and I'm like, and my back went out.

[1955] after the fight yeah it's after the fight like a week later week later how crazy is that i was like oh but you think like go fully fully like i felt i'm like okay we're good we're good wow so then a couple days later i didn't do anything for a couple days left so i went to spar and hit a double leg my pinched the nerve my back and went i was out for a whole week that's crazy from picking up a dog four pound dog it's like what the i mean i get i get punched in the face by massive men and then He's no dog fucks me up.

[1956] I was going to Vegas once for a K -1 bout way back in the day.

[1957] There was some K -1 fights in Vegas.

[1958] We're going to go watch.

[1959] And I'm in the shower on the way to leave the house.

[1960] I'm like taking a shower.

[1961] Oh, this is going to be fun.

[1962] I can't wait to see these fights.

[1963] And I just turned to grab the soap and something popped in my neck.

[1964] I was like, fuck.

[1965] Out of nowhere.

[1966] So I drove to Vegas like this the entire way, like four hours.

[1967] and every time I had to turn, like, to look behind me to park, I had to literally turn my whole bottle like this from just turning to grab shampoo or something.

[1968] Like, just turning.

[1969] Pop!

[1970] Ah!

[1971] Like, no idea what it was.

[1972] It doesn't make any sense.

[1973] We just turn around and just...

[1974] Every now and that.

[1975] And it fucked me up for like two weeks.

[1976] For like two weeks, my neck was fucked.

[1977] Oh.

[1978] It doesn't make any sense.

[1979] Do you get adjusted?

[1980] No, didn't get adjusted.

[1981] I was trying.

[1982] Maybe I should have.

[1983] That's trying.

[1984] Maybe I should have.

[1985] Maybe I should have gone to a chicken doctor.

[1986] They kill a fucking duck and whack it over my head.

[1987] voodoo shit I mean look I'm not saying that going to a chiropractic is a bad thing with some people I'm sure it works but when you know the history of what it like how it got started I didn't know that it's a little wacky I didn't know that there's some pretty good articles about how wacky it is but there's a lot of like it's interesting because there's a lot of methods of recovery that some people swear by like the cupping thing or like electrical muscular stimulation or you ever see those Norma Tech boots they put those things on your legs have you ever used those no no no those are they're like it's like like like you're putting on pants they go all the way up your legs oh yeah the compression yeah yeah yeah they have like they're supposed to be really good for recovery yeah like it's interesting how so many of these things it's like they're just trying things out and they're trying to figure out like what works for you and what doesn't work for you you you know yeah when i had knee surgery they had this awesome like contraption like wrapped around your leg and she's like like how, like, compressed you want.

[1988] I'm going, you know, eventually we'll get tight.

[1989] So we should get the tight now, so the cold water comes through, and it gets super tight and constricts it and pushes all the bad blood, and, you know, it's awesome.

[1990] I love it.

[1991] What'd you have done with your knee?

[1992] It's a scope.

[1993] Yeah.

[1994] Yeah.

[1995] It's my fifth one, so.

[1996] Fifth one?

[1997] Yeah.

[1998] Holy shit.

[1999] Yeah.

[2000] On the same knee?

[2001] No, I had two in my right and three of my left.

[2002] Yeah.

[2003] It's tough.

[2004] You and a big guy.

[2005] I'll be crippled when I get older.

[2006] Do you run?

[2007] I do.

[2008] I use an anti -gravity treadmill.

[2009] What's an anti -gravity treadmill?

[2010] So I put on these super tights, these super tight things, and I zip myself up, and I, and you can go like half your body weight, 60 % of your body weight, whatever.

[2011] Oh, you in the water?

[2012] No, no. It's air, and it lifts me up.

[2013] What?

[2014] Really?

[2015] It's pretty bad ass.

[2016] What's the benefit of that?

[2017] Just so don't pound my feet as much.

[2018] Is that it right there?

[2019] Yeah, that's it.

[2020] Whoa.

[2021] So it doesn't pound your feet.

[2022] Like, so I'm 240 pounds.

[2023] So I'm going to kill my feet and my leg and my knee.

[2024] So it lists me up, it makes it a little bit easier.

[2025] But does it, it can't possibly be giving you as hard to work?

[2026] Oh, definitely.

[2027] I'm running a 9 .5 miles per hour.

[2028] Right, but you're running at 9 .5 miles per hour lessen your body weight.

[2029] Yeah, I'm still running a, you know, like 20, like 200 and some pounds instead of 240.

[2030] Oh, okay.

[2031] So like, yeah.

[2032] So if I go have it by way, I'm wearing 120 pounds and then 75 % I'm running like 200 some pounds, whatever it is.

[2033] It still works.

[2034] I still, I get a great swim.

[2035] I'm still breathing hard.

[2036] I mean, I still push myself.

[2037] Is that like one of your main forms of cardio?

[2038] Yeah, that and I do like a lot of, you know, bad, a pad workout.

[2039] what they're sparring.

[2040] So I get done with sparring.

[2041] I do my rounds and I get done.

[2042] I do either paperwork for like 20 minutes straight right after and then I do some sticks with my coach, you know, working my head, moving and just keep my stings.

[2043] Oh, the foam, foam sticks?

[2044] Yeah.

[2045] Well, whatever they made, they made some weird contraption probably.

[2046] I don't know.

[2047] Do you do any other machines, like a Versa climber or anything, swimming?

[2048] Do you know any swimming?

[2049] No. No?

[2050] No, I do a lot of wrestle.

[2051] I'm sorry, I started to wrestle here soon.

[2052] So mostly a lot of his, old school training yeah which is probably the best way anyway yeah i like it i mean i i run twice a week though for sure there's no question i like running just because like i run hard on mondays and fridays is more of recovery run that my body rest but you're doing it in this thing you're not running on the concrete yeah yeah i like running and i think it just it feels so much better my legs like i feel hard times better oh i could imagine i mean especially when you're you know you're dealing with 240 pounds pounding on your knees and you've scoped out all the cartilage and shit yeah it's they're doing some stuff now though you should look into like talking to like talk to Dr. Davidson from the UFC.

[2053] They're shooting stem cells into knees and regenerating cartilage and meniscus tissue.

[2054] Hmm.

[2055] I check into that for sure.

[2056] I mean, definitely when I get knee replacement when I'm older, so.

[2057] Knee replacement?

[2058] I don't want to have that.

[2059] Oh, no, you don't want that.

[2060] Yeah, exactly.

[2061] I don't think you're going to have to do that anymore.

[2062] I think soft tissue stuff, they're going to be able to fix that.

[2063] Oh, thank God.

[2064] Yeah.

[2065] They're pretty damn close.

[2066] They're able to do some pretty incredible shit now.

[2067] Yeah.

[2068] And they're...

[2069] We're saying can grow your teeth now.

[2070] Really?

[2071] Yeah.

[2072] My wife just posted horn They grow your teeth They can grow your teeth Like the PRP Like something like that Whoa Really?

[2073] Yeah Jamie will find it They can grow your teeth Yes Something about this They put a little scaffolding Of some kind And then they use Some injection To regrow teeth I don't know if it's in full use yet But like it's definitely On the way if it's not They're gonna be able to grow All kinds of shit They're gonna be able to grow Body parts Our great grandchildren They're gonna cut their hands off And grow new ones If they don't think they look good Yeah.

[2074] Kids are going to be like, my hands looked ugly.

[2075] I wanted long, slender fingers.

[2076] I cut them off.

[2077] Like, that's the world we're going to be living in.

[2078] 100%.

[2079] Yeah, it's going to be superficial.

[2080] Well, not just superficial, but bizarre.

[2081] Like, you're going to be able to, you know, they've already regenerated a bunch of different body parts.

[2082] Like, this one woman had bladder cancer.

[2083] And so they made her a new bladder with her own skin.

[2084] They used her own skin and used stem cells and grew her bladder in a petri dish and then put it back in her body.

[2085] And works great now.

[2086] I don't know how great it is.

[2087] I haven't talked to her, better pee.

[2088] The promise of growing new teeth.

[2089] Dental stem cells could revolutionize treatment for patients who face extractions.

[2090] Wow.

[2091] Growing new teeth.

[2092] Fuck, what a weird world we're living in.

[2093] Right?

[2094] That's got to feel good for you, though, to be thinking about the future.

[2095] Like all the stuff you're doing yourself right now, all the injuries and getting banged up.

[2096] Yeah.

[2097] I'm going to squirt some stuff in there and fix everything.

[2098] I'm good with that.

[2099] You're good with that?

[2100] Yeah, I'm good with that.

[2101] All right, Steepie.

[2102] So January 20th, everybody should watch UFC Heavyweight Championship live from Boston, Massachusetts.

[2103] I'll be there.

[2104] I can't wait.

[2105] Good luck to you, brother.

[2106] Thanks for doing the show, man. I really appreciate it.

[2107] Glad we had John.

[2108] Oh, for sure.

[2109] Ladies and gentlemen, Steep Abeye -O -Chic, heavyweight champ of the world.

[2110] Let these bitches know.

[2111] Let them know.

[2112] Cleveland's in the house.

[2113] O -H -O.

[2114] Thanks for having me. Oh, my pleasure, brother.

[2115] Thank you.