#552 - Kid Cudi

[0] The Joe Rogan experience Train by day Joe Rogan podcast by night All day Whenever you talk to a rapper Or any dude who has like a name Like Kid Cuddy You never know Am I supposed to call you kid Like Immortal Technique Comes on the podcast all the time To this day I don't know what to call him I love that dude I love that he's cool as fuck I love talking to him But I never know what to call him Do I call him Tech Do I call him immortal Mr. Technique.

[1] So I had to ask you before this podcast started, I said, do I refer to you as Kid Cuddy or do I call you, Scott?

[2] I introduced myself to other human beings with my government name, Scott.

[3] I don't walk up and say, hey, I'm Kid Cuddy.

[4] But no, like I get Mr. Cuddy sometime, and that's a little weird.

[5] It makes me sound like a stripper or something.

[6] It's weird, yeah.

[7] Mr. Cudley.

[8] Yeah, Mr. Cudley is cool if it's like a check or something.

[9] Yeah.

[10] Yeah, that's a weird, there's not a whole lot of white dudes who ever pulled off the, like, the nickname.

[11] Like, carrot top, Weird Al, right?

[12] Weird Al, it's always Weird Al Yankovic.

[13] It's always Weird Al Yankovic.

[14] It's no, hi, I'm Al Yankovic, it's weird Al, right?

[15] P. Diddy, puff daddy, prince, whatever he is.

[16] A lot of black guys pulled it off.

[17] I mean, you just keep going forever.

[18] But there's a small handful of white people that have ever pulled off the nickname.

[19] I thought you were going to talk about Captain Kirk I was thinking of Blue Albania The Captain and Tenil The kid goes deep into the 1970s drawer The Captain and Tenil Wow That's a terrible band From way back in the day Terrible by today's standards You know but back in the day people loved them Do you remember the Captain Intenil?

[20] No I don't remember what they sang I shouldn't even say they're terrible Because I'm being just a dick Because I don't remember any of their songs They're probably sitting there like Hey, what's the big idea?

[21] I believe one of them is dead.

[22] I think one of them got like some serious anorexia, though I think the woman got serious.

[23] I might be mixing my stories up from 1970s bands that I barely pay attention to, but you want to talk about some people that got some fucking stories, you know, the people that grew up during the 60s and were like famous during the 70s.

[24] Those are, that's a strange little slice of American life right there.

[25] Oh yeah, you can imagine.

[26] It was just a whole other way of living, you know?

[27] I think there was a lot more communication amongst human beings.

[28] Yeah, for sure.

[29] Like, just, you know, just casual conversation.

[30] It wasn't, like, weird.

[31] Nowadays, if you even just say hi to someone walking down the street, it's like, what the fuck?

[32] It's like, you're being polite.

[33] Like, what the fuck did you say to me?

[34] Well, I think two things are going on.

[35] One, people are just nervous because there's a lot of news stories about terrible things that happen all over the world.

[36] Like, most of what you get in the news is terrible things.

[37] Yeah.

[38] So people always worried about.

[39] terrible things when they meet strangers and then two everybody's fucking texting and emailing and the amount of time you spend person to person has probably been greatly reduced yeah yeah for sure and and i'm i'd support you know the healthy dose you know Brian just put up a picture of the captain McNeil now we know nice I mean one of them caps my buddy miles he has one of those caps he rocks all the time that's a good cap if you're just letting everybody know you like to party miles teller Miles teller he wells he wells He wears a cap like that all the time.

[40] So that's one of the things, if you walk around with a captain's hat on and you're like a sober guy, you're an asshole.

[41] No, I know.

[42] Miles parties, he gets it in.

[43] Yeah, that's my guy.

[44] Shut up.

[45] One of those dudes who doesn't smoke weed, doesn't drink.

[46] They don't do told straight ed, but you're wearing like a captain's hat.

[47] You're a fucking idiot.

[48] Yeah, it's not good.

[49] But there's something if you're like some Hunter S. Thompson dude with a captain's hat on.

[50] You're on masculine while you've got a bottle of whiskey in one hand, a bottle of vodka and the other.

[51] I want to talk to that dude.

[52] For real.

[53] Yeah.

[54] I'm hanging out with him.

[55] Yeah, there's certain outfits that you're allowed to wear if you get fucked up.

[56] Like, the way Stanhope dresses.

[57] Like, if Stanhope was, like, a sober guy, he couldn't pull off that outfit.

[58] You know?

[59] He's just, he's hammered all the time, so he's wearing this bright, checkered leisure suit or whatever he wears.

[60] Yeah.

[61] It's, it's a, every city he goes to a thrift store and tries to find the most shittiest, I guess, suit you can possibly find.

[62] Well, yeah, that's stuff that doesn't fit him all the time.

[63] It's, like, barely fits him.

[64] He's awesome.

[65] so uh dude you're a you're a young man you're doing very well everything is going well for you this is uh exciting time in your life yeah man i'm trying what's it like to be kid cuddy uh it's um it's cool man i feel like that's intrusive no no i mean um you know it's nothing too spectacular i'm mostly like trying to stay creative and uh hang around family a lot get family time in with my mom and my daughter and so like my life is split between that and And, you know, creating.

[66] You know, it's a good balance.

[67] I've found the balance now at 30, yeah.

[68] At 30.

[69] Dude, you're living a dream.

[70] Yeah, it's cool, man. I can't complain.

[71] Even on the days I complain, I realize I can't complain.

[72] You definitely can't complain.

[73] No, I mean, to be a professional entertainer is probably the luckiest job of all time.

[74] Like, you made it.

[75] Well, it's really deeper than that, I think, to just have a fan base, you know, that's supportive.

[76] It's a real ultimate, you know, blessing because, you know, guys get record deals all the time.

[77] And, you know, some of their music is shit, you know, but then...

[78] How dare you?

[79] It's just like, you know, but then when you have, you know, you have a lot of artists that come and, you know, end up having like a grassroots following and they have a fan base that rides with them their entire career.

[80] That's, that's, man, that's a blessing on top of a blessing.

[81] You never know, because today's audience, you know, these kids like you one minute, they hate you the next, like you one minute they hate you next, like you one minute they hate you next and to have a loyal fan base in that type of climate.

[82] And it's awesome.

[83] Yeah, that is the thing that it used to be, like, if you were a rapper or any kind of entertainer, you were only as good, if you were a comedian, you were only as good as the people got to see you out there.

[84] Like, it was really difficult to build a fan base if you weren't on something.

[85] If you weren't on a television show, or if you weren't, you know, a regular guest like The Tonight Show or something like that, it was really hard for someone like build a fan base.

[86] Yeah.

[87] But today, because of the internet, rappers, singers, musicians, I mean, everybody, comedians.

[88] all they can kind of keep tabs and just communicate with people, like, directly.

[89] Yeah, yeah.

[90] And I feel like I kind of was at the beginning, the early stages of that wave.

[91] You know, just, you know, another way for people to find music online, new artists, you know, music that you probably wouldn't hear on the radio.

[92] Yeah.

[93] Stuff that's quality, quality, you know, music.

[94] And now, you know, things are way more advanced, even since when I started, you know, when I dropped day and night, that was 2007, I think, the only platform at that time that I had at my disposal to upload music was MySpace.

[95] Wow.

[96] And that was literally how the world discovered my voice, you know, through my MySpace music page.

[97] How did MySpace drop the ball so hard?

[98] They had the world by the balls.

[99] They had everybody.

[100] I think you know, I don't think I don't even think they've fallen off like that.

[101] I just think that there's just so much there's just so much out there.

[102] There's definitely so much out there.

[103] It's an overabundance of, you know, it's like for every Facebook, there's five more other Facebooks.

[104] Well, there's always new ones coming out, too.

[105] It's got to be hard to figure out a new thing, though.

[106] Like, what's the new thing?

[107] Is it involved video?

[108] What's going to be the new thing?

[109] Memes and emojis.

[110] I think it's just a combination of everything.

[111] Just like, it's a one -stop shop to just anything that you can, you know, dig around on the internet with, it's possible through this app, you know?

[112] Yeah, probably, right?

[113] I think it's also, have you seen that new thing?

[114] that Unbox Therapy did a video on.

[115] Oh, my God.

[116] Lewis from Unbox Therapy did this video of this new Iron Man tech.

[117] If you go to his page, go to Unbox Therapy, Iron Man for real, I think it's called, there's a YouTube video that he put up.

[118] It's insane, man. You're putting on these gloves, or these goggles, rather, that cover your eyes, sort of Oculus riff style, but you see everything.

[119] I would see you clearly.

[120] But in front of you, there's like icons and things that I can move around.

[121] I can open things and close, them and you do it all with hand gestures.

[122] So, like, as I'm looking at you, if I had these goggles on, I'd be looking at you and I'd see these floating geometric objects, like boxes, circles, and you can open them up and close them and move them around, and they stay places, like minority report style.

[123] Like, remember he's doing it on the screen?

[124] But you're going to be able to do it, like, in the air.

[125] Right.

[126] Like, when Tony Stark put that helmet on, he could see a bunch of shit in front of them, that's going to be, like, reality.

[127] And in his words, in Lewis's words, he said, this guy wants to make the world the desktop the world is your screens when it's take away screens and the screens are going to be the world you put this thing on and you just see through it and there's no more screens anymore everything you do you do through this this is his ultimate goal now there's a like do the glasses look all like fucking gnarly like you know some super visor virtual reality type of thing they're right up there they're pretty big right now but so was the first phone yeah that's true remember those home telephones those giant boxes they used to have to crank call people up and they used to fucking put cables into holes and shit you remember all that that was what a that was what an old phone used to be like but you know what this type of technology you wouldn't want you know walking down the street or like on your everyday that easily to access I mean people wouldn't you know what I mean like it's kind of like not that weird that it's kind of big and something that you gotta like be stationary with at home yeah I think that's actually saves saves the world in some small way for a few years until like you know Apple figures it out to have it on your phone or something but they're gonna make it in like a Google Glass form for sure well the Google Glass is it's like just the smaller version of that yeah except you can't you know you can't you swipe and stuff but you can't really like manipulate the image in real time have you played with it at all yeah I got one I got one it's a you know it's cool I mean I'm not gonna I went out in the streets a couple times for it and I really noticed I actually tweeted about this I tweeted about it because it was so funny to me my experience going on public with Google Glass is people just really thought that I was either taking a picture of them or filming them and people were really concerned because there's no recording lie and you can tell that there's a lens there and especially once people ask you what it is and you say Google Glass people have heard about it they're like are you filming me and I thought it was interesting you know because this is something that like you know you might see a celebrity you know freak out because they're getting photographed or film trying to you know live their lives and do something with their families and try to have some privacy and then the public really doesn't understand why they might freak out and why that might be intrusive but you know it's it's a funny twist for me to walk in a place and all of a sudden someone's like oh are you filming me or whoa whoa like what are you doing and it's just like no I'm not filming a random person that's intrusive because I understand that that's intrusive but it is it's a potential option for the future that's weird about it but it just it was it was interesting to just see like that was besides people being like oh it's cool could I try it?

[128] It was just like, are you filming me?

[129] Are you filming me or are you taking a picture?

[130] How am I supposed to know that you're telling me the truth?

[131] Right.

[132] You know?

[133] Yeah.

[134] Because you could just be lying and then even if I take it off, it cuts off.

[135] So it's not like you can see what I'm seeing when I'm doing it, you know?

[136] Well, they have little cameras.

[137] Remember Stanhope had that Fox show.

[138] Way back then, they had little cameras that would go on glasses.

[139] Like in the eyebrow part of a glass.

[140] And he put his glasses on and he would walk into some place and do these pranks.

[141] And they would, the film was good enough to put on television.

[142] And that was a long time ago Yeah Yeah I mean You can film stuff And put it up on your Twitter Through the Google Glass And the photos are pretty quality I've done it a couple times Wow It's gonna get crazy than that right Because it's gonna get to some point Where you're gonna be able To put contact lenses on Or something like that You know But I don't know if I'm I mean that's That's wild Iron Man shit with contact lenses And they all have their own Like they get charged With solar power Yeah Because your eyes are always open Yeah I don't know if I'm Some constant solar energy, right?

[143] Technology in my eye, though.

[144] I don't know if I want to do it.

[145] Yeah, I definitely don't want it right now, but if it's awesome.

[146] In the future, you might be changing your mind on it.

[147] Yeah, if everybody has it and it's awesome.

[148] Yeah.

[149] You know, I mean, I would have always been tied to a phone just because it's so dope.

[150] Like, to have a phone is an incredible thing, you know?

[151] I'd rather have a cyborg arm before I have contact.

[152] A cyborg arm?

[153] Yeah.

[154] You know what I mean?

[155] But, see, the real thing about the cyborg arm that really freaks me out, This is no bullshit.

[156] It really does kind of freak me out.

[157] We watched this video once of a dude from Australia that got his arm and his leg bit off.

[158] I think I've seen that exactly.

[159] You've seen it?

[160] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[161] It's amazing.

[162] So this guy had no arm and no leg, but he walked without a limp and his hands moved around.

[163] I mean, it didn't move as good.

[164] I mean, he probably couldn't play piano or something like that, but moved pretty goddamn good, a lot better than the old ones that came with like the hook -style old ones.

[165] And I was thinking, like, this guy is still a person, 100 % human, but he has an artificial arm and an artificial arm.

[166] leg like what if the shark bit everything but his head and they took his head and they put it on artificial body what would that be that is that still a person i guess it's a person it's got a person's head but what if they said listen man this transfer of your head to this artificial body is not working that good your body's rejecting it your head's rejecting the body but the good news is we can completely duplicate your brain and put it in this artificial head so to be like your brain except better because it's never going to get old and it's not going to rot away.

[167] Like, well, are you a person then?

[168] No, because I think your soul is just gone at that point.

[169] I would like to believe that too.

[170] But imagine if that's how people were essentially created in the first place.

[171] Just slow improvements.

[172] What if they go, okay, we're going to take a snapshot of your brain right now because we're going to transfer it to this new body.

[173] So anything after this point, you know, you're not going to remember.

[174] So then for like 10 minutes before they like pull the plug.

[175] on this body, you can just abuse the person of death.

[176] That's you.

[177] You would think of some ridiculous thing to do to your body, not the existential angst of dying and having no soul.

[178] You're thinking about playing with someone's ball or asleep.

[179] And you're 40.

[180] Congratulations.

[181] Speaking of cameras, Joe, I just got one added to my car, so it records everything now that my car does, and it does it on GPS.

[182] And then when you watch it on your computer, it shows real -time Google Maps and like a 360 view almost of your car.

[183] Wow.

[184] Oh, wow.

[185] Oh, wow.

[186] That's pretty interesting.

[187] Yeah.

[188] It's called Roadhog, hawk, hog.

[189] Roadhog?

[190] Roadhog.

[191] And what it does is you just put a memory card in there and it constantly records HD video.

[192] Where are the cameras?

[193] The camera is like this little box.

[194] It looks like a baby radar detector that you just put underneath your, like behind your rear view mirror, you know?

[195] So you just put it on the windshield right there.

[196] And you have to run power.

[197] I just plug mine into my cigarette lighter.

[198] And it connects to GPS.

[199] and it records on a memory card.

[200] But where's the cameras?

[201] The camera has a wide angle lens.

[202] So it gets everything in your car, the front of your car, and it also gets sound.

[203] Wow.

[204] And it tracks everything.

[205] Because I was just tired of driving around Hollywood, like going to the comedy store every night, and then like almost getting in car accidents, crazy crackheads, like jumping in the street.

[206] Like all this shit happening all the time.

[207] I'm like, something's going to happen soon.

[208] You know, and I don't have this.

[209] People have to see this.

[210] Well, you know, in Russia, that's when they had those meteors.

[211] They caught those.

[212] That's how they caught them.

[213] They caught them because those people have dash cams.

[214] Because apparently, like, fraud and, like, that kind of shit, like, accident fraud, like, super common in Russia.

[215] Like, they pull shady moves all the time.

[216] So a lot of people have those little cameras on their dash to make sure they could resolve disputes.

[217] You know, like, there was a thing that was going around in California for a while where people were suing people.

[218] They would get in accidents on purpose.

[219] A bunch of people died from it.

[220] They'd get on the highway, get in front of you, and slam on the brakes.

[221] Right.

[222] So you slam into them.

[223] And this one dude who was an illegal alien, so it was like all the Republicans were up in arms, one illegal alien does something shady.

[224] Everybody freaks the fuck out.

[225] But this dude had done it a couple of times.

[226] He'd done it a couple of times.

[227] And, you know, that was his move.

[228] That's the way he made a lot of money.

[229] Just get in front of people, slam on the brakes.

[230] Yeah, but, you know, that's a risky fucking move, too.

[231] Shit.

[232] Well, when you ain't got nothing to lose, it's like, fuck it.

[233] Yeah, I guess.

[234] It's just they're playing the lottery in the promise land.

[235] It's just very, very strange.

[236] That's the item.

[237] That's the item.

[238] See, right there is where you put the memory card in.

[239] That's not that big.

[240] It is kind of like, it's hard to tell perspective -wise.

[241] It's like, yeah, it's like a cell phone size, basically.

[242] And you just, like, I can't barely even see my mind's hidden behind my mirror.

[243] Like a disposable camera.

[244] That's probably the best way to describe it.

[245] It's like a disposable camera.

[246] And what's cool, it does like a DVR loop, like what, like, security companies do or where they have to film everything, like a jewelry store or something.

[247] It just, when it gets to the, of the memory card it just goes back to the beginning unless you pull it out and save the files it's just a constant records over records everything over and over how long before people start making porn with those i know it seems like but you know what it's also great it's already done it automatically turns on so if you give your card to like a valet or something you could hear what they're doing doing it that's a turn it around nice that's the new that's what i'll get it for that's what i'm getting it that's right send me that link valet porn valets blow each other in your car get out to your car you're like what the hell but i i'm reviewing it right now i have a review website now you have a review website yeah java lambs dot com oh that's good it's good you you stop doing that for a while yeah because i lost my amazon account why does that work man did you ever try to get it back yeah i tried three times with uh my l oc uh social security number or whatever the business ID number.

[248] I tried with them.

[249] So it was completely away from me. I tried everything.

[250] And finally, they just let me through it because of this Java LAMS thing.

[251] So they did let you through it?

[252] They just finally did after about four years of not letting me do it.

[253] Is it because you changed the name of your website?

[254] I guess so.

[255] Website and everything, I don't know.

[256] How annoying.

[257] Yeah.

[258] Yeah.

[259] It seems like there was a weird thing.

[260] It was like they're upset at you because you're connected to porn, right?

[261] Because that porn stars on Death Squad.

[262] That's so.

[263] ridiculous yeah there's nothing wrong with porn stars nothing nothing well you just like don't they sell porn i mean if you go to amazon dot com don't they sell porn yeah did you buy porn on amazon they sell vibrators they sell hotaches by the way did you see missy martina's our friend missy uh who does kill tony with us a lot of times she was on tmc because her hattachi blew up in her pussy no no okay did it really blow up in her pussy or Did she blow it up in her pussy and make it the equivalent to the Mexican dude slamming on his brakes on the highway?

[264] Was it the vibrator equivalent?

[265] What happened is it's...

[266] To the braking crash?

[267] What happened is it starts sparking and flames and smoke started coming out of it.

[268] Did she start screaming?

[269] Yeah, the pussy's that good.

[270] That's why it's sparking.

[271] Oh, no!

[272] There's the Hitachi, though.

[273] And what's weird is that this is not, and there's nothing new about this.

[274] look online.

[275] There's tons of Hittachis blowing up and porn stars.

[276] What?

[277] Yeah, because it's the only vibrator that you plug into a wall.

[278] So it's like, it's like the dumbest, like, because it's really for your back.

[279] Because it's supposed to be high powered.

[280] But like, girls are getting so numb down there that they're using these Hattachis, these high powered ones that just like shave off the walls of their vagina.

[281] Just do it anymore.

[282] Yeah.

[283] They're not, they're saying cutting it.

[284] Oh my God.

[285] They take things to the next level.

[286] It's just like when we were talking about body.

[287] builders of like the 1960s in comparison in the bodybuilder today, I think it's the same way with like the way girls beat on their pussies.

[288] Absolutely.

[289] I bet it in the old days, just a little spit in your fingers.

[290] He didn't need anything.

[291] They didn't need anything.

[292] Their vaginas were super sensitive.

[293] Technology fuck things up.

[294] So did circumcision fuck things up for us.

[295] Apparently if you don't if you don't have a foreskin, the head of your dick gets like kind of just abused.

[296] It's always bouncing around inside your underwear and like having a foreskin, the reason why men are upset that they're not just the fact that it's ritual genital mutilation that doesn't make any sense, but also, that it kills the sensitivity in your dick.

[297] Yeah, but I mean, that's great.

[298] It's great.

[299] When did you like your dick to look like Clint Eastwood, not like fucking Ryan Seacrest or something?

[300] That doesn't make any sense.

[301] Because you're beating the tip of your dick up.

[302] I mean, if you look at your dick, it looks like...

[303] If you're beating up your dick and it looks like Clint Eastwood today, are you talking about Clint Eastwood from the fucking outlawful?

[304] Josie Wales days.

[305] Are you talking spaghetti westerns?

[306] I'm not talking about porch one.

[307] The handsome, Clint Eastwood, not the crazy -looking old man that talks to Obama.

[308] Yeah.

[309] Well, he talked to Obama.

[310] That was the, do you remember that?

[311] Do you remember that shit that he did on TV where he sat Obama down?

[312] No. You didn't see it?

[313] Oh, you should watch it.

[314] You should watch it.

[315] We'll pull this up.

[316] Dude, yeah, we'll pull it up.

[317] This was recent?

[318] Oh, my God.

[319] It was during the presidential elections.

[320] He pretended to sit.

[321] Obama down on stage and improvved it.

[322] Didn't have anything poignant to say, but improved it.

[323] It was so incredibly disrespectful.

[324] It was so ridiculous.

[325] But he was just pretending to have a conversation with it.

[326] He sat him down below him.

[327] He didn't just have a conversation.

[328] He wasn't like pretending to have a conversation with Obama where they're looking eye to eye like men.

[329] No, he sat him down in a chair and started to, it was the strangest fucking thing ever.

[330] This is it here.

[331] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[332] He was having that thing and they were talking about hope and change and they were talking about yes we can and and it was dark and outdoors and it was nice and people are lighting candles and they were saying uh you know and i just uh thought this is great i mean everybody's crying Oprah was crying and uh I was even crying and then finally I haven't cried that hard since I found out that there's 23 million unemployed people in this country Wait, he sat him down here?

[333] Yeah Where is he sick?

[334] I'm home tomorrow morning No you got to back it up Because that's the chair Like he puts them down in the chair You were running for election No no no back it up a little bit more Possibly Now it may be time For somebody else to come along And solve the problem So Mr. President How do you How do you handle How do you handle promises that you've made when you were running for election?

[335] And how do you handle it?

[336] I mean, what do you say to people?

[337] Do you just, you know, I know people were wondering, you don't have it.

[338] Okay.

[339] Well, I know even some of the people in your own party were very disappointed when you didn't close Gitmo.

[340] And I thought, well, I think closing Gitmo, Why close that?

[341] We spent so much money on it.

[342] But I thought maybe it's an excuse.

[343] What do you mean shut up?

[344] I thought it was just because somebody had...

[345] You want to watch the whole thing?

[346] No. It's worse than I remember.

[347] It's worse than I remembered.

[348] I remember it being bad, but holy shit.

[349] I like how CNN, like, jumped to, like, the MTV camera where they're in the audience and it's all shaky, like, to try to make it more, like, entertaining him talking to it.

[350] Oh, my God.

[351] So ridiculous.

[352] What the hell is he doing?

[353] He's being an old dude.

[354] That's what he's doing.

[355] Being an old Republican dude.

[356] They're all crusty, conservative.

[357] Not like, and they don't like the youth, the young of America, like yourself.

[358] Didn't he just do that movie?

[359] Didn't he just do that movie, though?

[360] What was it?

[361] Well, he's like, the movie you were just talking about, he was really pissed about people being on this porch.

[362] Yeah.

[363] What was that movie called again?

[364] I don't know.

[365] It was named after El Camino.

[366] No, that's, El Camino is El Camino.

[367] That's the Black Keys.

[368] Grand Turisma.

[369] El Camino is the Grand.

[370] No, the Black Keys.

[371] The Black Keys have a CD called El Camino.

[372] Yeah.

[373] Don't they?

[374] I think so, yeah.

[375] Yeah.

[376] Yeah, El Torito.

[377] Whatever it was.

[378] El Torino.

[379] Grand Torino.

[380] Grand Torino.

[381] Grand Torino.

[382] I said that.

[383] Did I?

[384] No. I had a friend whose girlfriend had one of those cars way back in the day.

[385] That was a goofy -ass car.

[386] That was back in America just made these houses on wheels.

[387] They made a living room.

[388] They just drove around in these big old fucking crazy American cars, man. Yeah, that was a movie about what?

[389] It was like about immigrants, wasn't it?

[390] I don't know if it was people moving in his neighborhood.

[391] I've just seen the previews.

[392] I just remember seeing that in the preview.

[393] Being really pissed about kids being on his porch.

[394] Yeah, that's all I remember.

[395] But, I mean, I was sold.

[396] I mean, I wanted to see it.

[397] I just never got around.

[398] to me maybe i'll check it out um i think you got better shit to do with your time i don't know seeing clinton eastwood being pissed about people being on his front porch i mean he had a shotgun in his hand too i remember that he was on my porch well do you remember when clean eastwood did a reality show a lot of people don't remember that yeah see this mm -hmm yeah clean eastwood's wife was on a reality show before he got divorced he divorced her but she was on a reality show and it was like some knucklehead show was ridiculous but he was he on episodes I don't remember if he was on it.

[399] I never watched it.

[400] But, yeah, it's one of those things.

[401] Well, like, the wife wanted to do it, and he was like, oh, okay.

[402] He finds himself in some ridiculous situation.

[403] Have you ever met him?

[404] No. I always see him in Bourbon, because I think he has a studio at Warner Brothers, so he's always walking on the sidewalk out there, and it's weird just driving by going, and that guy gives a pass for life for me, for the Unforgiven.

[405] That, I think, is the greatest cowboy movie of all times.

[406] Oh, yeah.

[407] That shit was, like, it was so realistic.

[408] So dope.

[409] That was such a good, scary -ass cowboy movie.

[410] That was Clint Eastwood at his finest.

[411] Yeah.

[412] You know?

[413] I just love how he's just like, I don't live that, that no more.

[414] Yeah.

[415] The whole movie's just like, I'm not that guy.

[416] I love it.

[417] And then they just dragged him in.

[418] Spoiler alert.

[419] Oh, yeah, that's not telling him.

[420] But he's like one of those dudes that becomes this old guy, and then he becomes, like, super duper conservative.

[421] Yeah.

[422] You know, there's a bunch of those guys.

[423] Like, Cosby's a guy like that.

[424] he's like super duper conservative now John Voight Yeah You know I mean That movie though Is one of my favorites Especially Morgan Freeman too One of my favorite Morgan Freeman movies Fuck yeah Yeah Yeah man That was just a perfect movie Like everything Yeah Yeah Just the way I mean I don't want to give away the ending But the way it all goes down So much more likely Than most of those stupid Shoot Em Up movies Yeah Yeah Yeah Just that was much more Probably like with how the way people would behave oh yeah oh yeah it was and it it ended up getting messy in there but i like how i kind of just started off like real chill and you kind of just you know oh hey yeah i'm here yeah that's a that's a fascinating look at the old west that was like he's almost like he did it like he did all those westerns back in the day like the good the bad and the ugly and fun movies yeah but they weren't super realistic you know and i think as he got older I mean, I'm just speculating, but he wanted to do one more that really got it right.

[425] Like, the way they make movies today, as opposed to the way they made movies back in, like, High Plains Drifter days.

[426] Did you see True Grit?

[427] Yeah, I saw both.

[428] I saw the old one and the new one.

[429] It was not bad.

[430] The new one.

[431] It was not bad.

[432] It was not a bad movie.

[433] I liked it.

[434] It's just whenever you have a movie where you're redoing an old movie, people are harsh, you know?

[435] Yeah, yeah.

[436] I mean, but, you know, I feel like it kind of brought some of that realness that, you know, unforgiving had.

[437] Yeah, it definitely did, yeah It was a good movie, for sure There was a lot of fun shit going on in that movie But goddamn man, remaking a John Wayne movie is hard Yeah, yeah, yeah I mean, you know, Hollywood, they do what they can I mean, it wasn't like, you know, most of the shit that comes out That gets regurgitated, you know It's gotta be hard to make movies, man You know, one of the beautiful things about Do you write all your own lyrics?

[438] Yes, thank God, I'm blessed with that ability, you know A lot of guys don't See, think of that, just Think of that, like how happy you are.

[439] You write on your own shit.

[440] And imagine this is, so you're a one -man situation, you know.

[441] If you want the kid -cutty experience, you only go through one door.

[442] There's no one else there, right?

[443] So they go to you.

[444] But you don't have to worry about the producer getting along with director, getting along with the actor.

[445] The network has notes, the studio, rather, has notes about the script, the screenwriter wants to change this, and the actor wants to improv that.

[446] And you're managing it out.

[447] the fucking makeup lady who's fucking the hairdresser and everybody's doing blow after the sets closed down.

[448] It's craziness, man. Making a movie's gotta be really hard.

[449] It can go down like that in music though too.

[450] If I did, my career is just purely my vision and stuff so it's a different, it's a little unorthodox and, you know, what most people do.

[451] You know, the average you know, pop star, it might be about you know, six people involved just to get the album together.

[452] You know, somebody to get song, right, somebody to get producers in the room, you know, and then there could be chemistries off, you know, this person might not mess with this writer, and this producer might not mess with this artist, and there's all this going on, and I'm pretty sure it gets messy, but this, I've just been blessed not to deal with that, you know, I have a, I had an idea of, you know, what I wanted my career to be, and I've been sticking to that, that goal and that plan, you know, and what was the idea, if you could give us, like, a one line of it.

[453] Man, I really just truthfully wanted to tell my story and hopefully it inspired others to not feel alone, you know, and understanding they could persevere through anything, you know, and at that time or writing, I like to tell people, I don't even know if I believed half of the shit I wrote.

[454] You know, like when I made Pursue to Happiness, I was hopeful for happiness, but I was in such a dark place that that song for me was more of a nightmare more than, you know, supposed to be a happy uplifting song.

[455] You were in a dark place, how so?

[456] Well, just like, I think coming to terms with just the fame factor.

[457] You know, I always felt like I would get some type of recognition, you know.

[458] I didn't know to what magnitude.

[459] You know, people say like, oh, you know, you know what you signed up for, but like, we really don't, you know, and you kind of have an idea and you feel like, oh, it'd be cool.

[460] But like I doesn't, and I still to this day, I don't look in the mirror and see myself how other people see me, you know, so I never, I never could prepare myself for what came And everything came so fast, you know.

[461] So that brought on darkness?

[462] Yeah, because I just, I wasn't comfortable.

[463] And then I had to, you know, I was in a place where it was like all this pressure all of a sudden to be something and to deliver, you know, a certain type of quality.

[464] And these are things that I've stepped up to the plate and I was excited about doing.

[465] But I didn't know that it would stress me out to that magnitude that it did, you know.

[466] I just didn't know that many people will be watching and paying attention or care that much, you know.

[467] What was the number one consequence?

[468] I just think, I didn't see it being too big of a consequence that I couldn't deal with, you know, losing a lot of my freedom.

[469] But then I have a daughter, you know, I just worry so more about her now, you know.

[470] And I just want her to have a normal life and I want her to, you know, have that opportunity.

[471] Now I think about it more now than I did then, you know, right, before she was born.

[472] Yeah, I'm sure.

[473] Yeah, I have children.

[474] Once you, when you have children, it really becomes more about them than it doesn't even about you in a lot of ways.

[475] Yeah.

[476] It's like the way you live your life is now always going to be like what's the best way for them.

[477] Right.

[478] And if it's not that way, you're going to feel sick.

[479] Right.

[480] You're going to feel like you're doing something wrong.

[481] Exactly.

[482] Exactly.

[483] Yeah.

[484] It's a weird situation when you bring people into this world.

[485] You're responsible for little tiny people.

[486] You got to teach some shit and raise them.

[487] Oh, yeah.

[488] No one, it's really hard.

[489] I mean, I wouldn't say no one.

[490] Because I think people are capable of intellectualizing it.

[491] But most people have no idea, I should put it that way, how intense the love a person has for their kid is.

[492] Yeah.

[493] It's pretty intense.

[494] Yeah.

[495] I mean, it's something that, you know, you have to have, you have to have a child to experience.

[496] You know, you can't explain it.

[497] You know, it's just, I mean, my daughter is, man. She's everything, man. It's also why, like, when you see kids that are abused, it's so extra disturbing.

[498] Yeah.

[499] Because it's almost unimaginable.

[500] Who would do that, you know?

[501] Who would do that to anyone's kid?

[502] And who would do that to their own kid?

[503] It's just, you know, I've met people that have their parents beat them.

[504] And it's a fucking weird place to beat.

[505] Yeah.

[506] Talk to someone who's the person they love more than anything beats the shit out of them when they do something wrong.

[507] Oh, yeah.

[508] Oh, yeah.

[509] You know?

[510] And this difference between a weapon and then not beat it.

[511] Well, this Adrian P. You know.

[512] this NFL thing the guy who beat his kid with a stick you know the excuse is that I guess like when he was young that's how they treated him that's how he was raised I don't know what the kid did that was so horrible how old was this kid do you know and man I don't even be reading into that he's really young right like nine or something like that well whatever it was when you know when they talk about they say well this is the way he grew up which is true but man there's got to be a way to end that cycle you can't be beating kids with sticks in 2014.

[513] I mean, everybody should know that by now.

[514] I just think it's a cop -out for people to use that as an excuse.

[515] We're like, those are always raised, even like just with anything, you know, because that's just a cop -out.

[516] There's just somebody not wanting to change and grow with the times.

[517] I mean, if we could find any way to be less violent, we should try it.

[518] Yeah, certainly anything where there's victims involved.

[519] Yeah.

[520] Especially if the victim's a little kid.

[521] Yeah.

[522] And you, by the way, if you get kids used to the idea that the person they love the most, their parents, is a person who's going to beat them and hit them with things, you are introducing violence into that kid's life at a very early age, and that violence becomes a natural part of the world.

[523] It becomes something they expect.

[524] That's why they say that, you know, people who are around their parents beating each other up are more likely to be involved in abusive relationships when they get older.

[525] They say that kids, people who are hit by their parents, or people who watch their parents hit by their parents, it's even worse, apparently.

[526] It's awful.

[527] Yeah, I mean, who's to say?

[528] I mean, my mom spanked us, you know, but she had three boys to deal with by herself a majority of the time, you know.

[529] And I mean, it's not like, you know, I don't, you know, look at my mom as a villain and, you know, but she didn't beat us.

[530] I can't say like I've been beaten by my mom.

[531] Like, when I did some whole ass shit, you know, my mom reprimanded me and I deserved it.

[532] You know when you're doing some suck of shit as a kid, you know, especially before you do it.

[533] You know, you know that there's a consequence that comes with that, but I've never experienced that, you know, what I'm pretty sure a lot of people are, you know, talking about right now with just, like, thinking it's okay to beat up on your kids.

[534] But, like, my daughter's four and a half, I haven't had to reprimand her in that way, and I never will, you know what I'm saying?

[535] That's just not how I do.

[536] I think it's a different situation, too, when you have a single mom dealing with young sons, like, shit can get really unruly.

[537] That's what I'm saying.

[538] And it's like, totally different.

[539] But even in, but even with that, they weren't beatings.

[540] Right.

[541] It's a reprimand.

[542] So, yeah, it's like a difference.

[543] Yeah, this, that is a big difference.

[544] And that's, that's something that people don't like to admit, right?

[545] It's never good to beat your kids.

[546] But if you're a young woman who's raising young boys and they don't respect you.

[547] You get the ass.

[548] Shit.

[549] I got yardstick.

[550] You got yardstick?

[551] Yeah, my mom had a yardstick.

[552] Where'd she hit you?

[553] On my ass, but it never hurt.

[554] Like, she would smack and I'm like, oh, okay.

[555] I deserve that.

[556] Right.

[557] You're just more humiliating.

[558] It's not like stripped down naked.

[559] You know, after you're out the shower, catch you off guard, you know.

[560] Take the yardstick.

[561] It's aluminum.

[562] Heat it on fire until it's fucking white hot.

[563] I saw a video with these fucking idiots.

[564] One kid put an iron, a hot iron.

[565] They lost a bet.

[566] The kid lost a bet.

[567] So he put a hot iron on his back, like, left the mark.

[568] Left the iron mark.

[569] Oh, that's for life, too.

[570] Yeah.

[571] Yeah, that's not going to them.

[572] Most likely.

[573] Fucking, goofy college kids, man. Kids a day.

[574] And kids today that are trying to make videos of all this shit, too.

[575] That's like half the thing, they're making videos while they're doing the stupid shit.

[576] That's the motivation.

[577] It's like, let's show people how fucking idiotic we could be.

[578] We're lucky more people aren't dead.

[579] Seems like people would just be telling themselves accidentally left and right trying to make these fucking videos.

[580] Did you see that video?

[581] I'm not sure if it's 100 % real or not, but the girl boils water and then, films her do take this huge thing of boiling water and pouring it over a dude's head and he's like there's pictures of him just he's been in the hospital with like all these burns all over his body from yeah just from this like the als uh yeah it was like ice bucket challenge but boiling water yeah are you serious yeah it's totally serious i'll find it for you no i don't want to watch oh my god people are so stupid i don't i bet it's probably real i mean i don't know if it's real but i bet it's probably real people are dumb as shit man fuck man that sad's me yeah Fuck That's not cool Yeah you can overhear some conversations It'll make you lose your faith in humanity Yeah If you imagine if you were there In their goofy ass backyard But thinking about throwing boiling water on this kid Yeah You'd be like you know That is gonna fuck you up for the rest of your life Like you're gonna be covered in scars Like that might as well be lava you idiot Yeah That's like your life has changed forever After that Yeah I mean it's at very least It's gonna be some pretty significant scarring right boiling water oh yeah the medical bills for that you know just the pain suffering just for one stupid -ass video where people can think you're an idiot you have scar tissue on your face for the rest of your life because of oh so were these kids uh you know reprimed like were they reprimanded and yeah it didn't really get into that point it just showed the video of the girl doing it boiling in the water and doing it on him and then so this didn't make the news no i think it made the news because there was a there's a photo of him later where he's just sitting there all burnt and bandaged stuff.

[582] This whole body's all fucked up.

[583] Fuck, man. What is this desire to make these fucking goofy videos?

[584] It's horrible.

[585] And bullying now has taken it to the next level because kids are all filming them bullying people and then putting it online.

[586] So now it's...

[587] What do you mean bowling?

[588] Bullying.

[589] Yeah, bullying.

[590] Jesus Christ.

[591] Sorry.

[592] Bullying.

[593] I'm like, they're going bowling?

[594] They're going bowling.

[595] I thought there was like a new thing where you like roll in a fetal position and knock people down like pins.

[596] I was really trying to figure out what you were saying But yeah But people are taking videos of them beating up other kids And then putting it online And sharing it around the class and stuff So now you just see these videos of these poor kids getting bullied Well how are these kids not getting in trouble I mean can't they are they are now But the acts are already being done We've lived in weird times Weird times It's like what we were talking about earlier About people worrying about your Google glasses recording them They're recording everything And kids are growing up with that It's like a part of, a normal part of life.

[597] You know, when you, when you first got into the internet, would you say you were in your late high school days when you really started getting into it?

[598] Yeah, yeah, because that was, I mean, we ain't had no computer.

[599] You're 30 now.

[600] We ain't had no computer except at the schoolhouse.

[601] So that was the only time.

[602] And then you couldn't really explore that much, you know.

[603] It wasn't much out there.

[604] Because, well, there was stuff out there, but, I mean, the teachers kept it restricted.

[605] You know, there were certain sites you couldn't go to.

[606] And, you know, you couldn't, you couldn't watch porn and stuff, which was a big bummer back then.

[607] This is a big bummer.

[608] Can they do that?

[609] They can block stuff now in schools, right?

[610] Do they block stuff at, like, universities?

[611] They have to, man. I mean, the internet is just so much more on there now than it was back then.

[612] But do they allow, like, porn sites, like in dorms?

[613] Can kids download porn?

[614] Well, I mean, there's, I mean, you don't even have to go to a site no more.

[615] You know what I mean?

[616] Yeah, but you do, well, yeah, I mean, you don't.

[617] But you could always just download it, right, from, like, a torrent?

[618] Well, you could just go.

[619] Google porn and it'll be right there.

[620] Right, that's true.

[621] Yeah, but I was just wondering, like, whether or not...

[622] I'm giving out tips, guys, by the way.

[623] What's your favorite?

[624] You just Google!

[625] It's right there.

[626] Which camera do I look at?

[627] Which one is the one behind you?

[628] Right, right here.

[629] It's right there.

[630] It is right there.

[631] Dude, you're a natural pitchman for the internet.

[632] Yeah.

[633] You should be like the internet's official spokesperson.

[634] Man, they need to hit me up.

[635] Let's go.

[636] So you, you know, getting out of high school?

[637] school and then growing up like essentially like young teens your 20s all that like being able to like get online at school and then being like completely immersed like being a part of like interactive communities talking to people that's you know the you're like one of the first generations of musicians that's able to do that that's able to go like directly from high school into communicating online with people releasing stuff online and then you know becoming a part of this first generation I mean there's a bunch now there's like a lot of artists that are becoming really well known because of just interacting with people online yeah not even not even putting out any music just being online and you know you know whatever having an identity on on on internet you know yeah there's that too right that's something that people value about you as well it's not just that you know they like your music they like you they like to talk to you you know what I'm saying like you've got a cool personality like you're a cool guy on, thank you.

[638] You're a cool guy on social media, you know, you're yourself.

[639] Yeah, you know, I think it's important.

[640] No, I think it is my job and my calling to also show the world a different type of person in the position that I'm in, you know, someone, you know, it doesn't, isn't really big into conforming because of my job, because, you know, the people around me because of the people I work with you know I always tell people I'm a human being first before anything you know you're born naked you go in a really nice suit you know and everything that happens in between it's just madness and we figure it out along the way but you know it's it's really interesting how a lot of people just kind of like you know get this this blessing this job getting this business and they just you know get really caught up and I never want to I never wanted to be that guy and and the beauty of Twitter it's like first I was really against it because it just was so much, you know, unfilteredness, and I've learned to appreciate it.

[641] Like, literally, I get a lot of confidence just by looking at my feed and seeing maybe a couple tweets that are like, yo, man, keep doing it.

[642] And I'm not necessarily doing anything right now.

[643] I don't have any music coming out, but it's just a random Tuesday.

[644] And there's some kid in Minnesota that's like, yo, I fucking love you, dude.

[645] Keep going.

[646] We're listening.

[647] And I might have needed to hear that that day.

[648] You know, so, like, those kids don't know that that means that much to me in the, and does so like I wasn't really that big with talking you know and having such a presence online because I was weird about it and now I got a grip over it it's it's no problem for me I love that I can you know just hit up a kid randomly and just make their whole year you know and just give me some confidence or something that's using it for good you know rather than me posting a picture of some jewelry or some new $1 ,000 sneakers I bought that doesn't do anybody any good other than being like damn I ain't got shit you know that's the reality that people realize And then it's like, well, I need to do what I got to do so I can have what he have.

[649] And I don't want people to think like that, you know?

[650] Like when I post, I like to post like, you know, maybe my lactate milk or, you know, like, something like.

[651] So does this come from, like, lessons that you've learned watching other people and what, like, their behavior, you felt like the shortcomings of their behavior once they became famous?

[652] Oh, yeah, man. I watched everybody around me, you know, and I think, and I, and I kind of use, I want kids to look at me and understand what, not to do you know when i was dealing with my drug issues back in 2010 2009 you know i was just heavy into cocaine and it was like a big thing for me yeah and it was like a really big thing for me and it was something that you know kept me level or something that i felt like i needed self -medicating uh you know so you felt like cocaine kept you level yeah man because i had this whole technique uh where i don't know if i even should get into this i don't even want to talk about this.

[653] You don't have to.

[654] These kids can't run around and talk, do it, you know.

[655] Let's just say I got into, like, you know, what I would call, like, you know, a trifecta, which was, you know, I would wake up in the morning.

[656] I would, you know, do Coke immediately, even before I had cereal breakfast.

[657] Whoa.

[658] And then I would have a beer and then I would smoke weed.

[659] So, like, I never wanted people to know I was doing cocaine.

[660] So the beer and the marijuana leveled me out in a way where I was able to walk in the streets and talk and seem as though I wasn't on anything but deep inside I'm just like zing you know with my face and just like yeah that's right you know but what it did for me it completely numbed me I didn't care about anything and I was a robot but also with being so numb it allowed me to go out and meet my fans and be out in the street so in a twisted way it did it did a positive thing for me and that's why I didn't see it as an issue it was like damn today I went walking in soho with no place to go and i was just high -fiving fans and shit like it was just the most you know amazing experience something that i never get a chance to feel because i'm just like such a recluse and i'm just at that time was just weirded out when people recognize me and just didn't want to go anywhere you know yeah that's an issue with substances that can help you in some ways but they're ultimately detrimental to your health or your well -being or your ability to keep it Yeah, I mean, I abused it.

[661] You know, it's not like the guy who, like, goes out with his buddies in spring break.

[662] And it's like, hey, cool, you know.

[663] Those guys aren't real.

[664] Those guys are only people in movies, man. Everybody else is just too broke to keep going.

[665] They just don't have the amount of money that it requires to be a fucking full -time co -cath.

[666] Yeah, it was definitely expensive, man. It was definitely expensive.

[667] But, you know, I, um...

[668] Did you find, like, while you were doing it every day?

[669] Like, was there a thing that made you start?

[670] because that's usually there's like a moment you got caught and then people started to know I did it and that wasn't yeah and it was like damn now everybody knows I do it this is not cool anymore like it's only cool when no one knows coke is a weird one right yeah it's like I didn't really let you know I didn't let the public make me feel bad about it though it was just kind of like fuck I guess I can't do that no more and then also my daughter was born so it was like you know it was like two kind of life lessons back to back that I experienced in 2010 and you know my daughter's birth and being arrested were those two things because I think I had already started toning down my cocaine use to begin into that year but then I was the king of like something tragic happening or something I felt was tragic or stressful and then spiraling back into it just needing any excuse to be like I'm gonna go do cocaine now because I'm upset and I'm dealing with something and I don't know how to deal it's just like my way of coping out and avoiding my issues wow you know so it was like a block it was like maybe a couple months will go by I'd be in Hawaii, you know, working on some stuff with Kanye and I never did cocaine or anything around those guys.

[671] I was like my time to detox when I would be away because, you know, if you do coke, you're either doing coke with other people, you know, or alone.

[672] And I felt weird about traveling the world and every place I was at asking people where the drugs was at.

[673] So like it was something that I did, you know, at home and at a certain time, you know, and which was, you know, I was able to like kind of keep it together and go out and work on my music and be into it.

[674] it.

[675] I had a system.

[676] It was a weird sick system I developed, you know, for myself, you know, where, you know, I was able to be cool if I wasn't in New York, but then when I was back in New York, it was on, you know, because it was just like being at home and the apartment alone for hours on there and just really just got me, you know?

[677] Right.

[678] And doing it just kind of like, oh man, I could just put on Leaky Lee and just chill out for hours by myself and it's all good.

[679] It's interesting that, like, the arrest made you want to stop because you real, was it because like the feeling like oh shit of an event has taken place like this is obviously a big sign that I'm going down the wrong direction I'm in I'm dealing with the legal system now getting arrested no I was it was just more like did this is not Scott Meskitty how in the hell did I let this become Scott Meskitty how in the fuck do I got people looking at me like I'm not Scott Meskitty and I know what it was and I know how to fix that and I went and made I just, it was just, I didn't like how people were looking at me at that moment in time.

[680] So they were looking at you like you're a Coke fiend.

[681] Yeah, crazy, cracked out dude like everywhere I would go it was just these looks and I was just like, man, I just did a little blow with the fuck, you know?

[682] Get off my back, you know what I mean?

[683] Like, y 'all motherfuckers acting like, y 'all, I never did a bump, get out of here, man. Like, it was so, I was just like, are you kidding me?

[684] People love to be sanctimonious.

[685] Yeah, yeah, but I, But that's the thing.

[686] When it happened, I wasn't like, you know, on, you know, the next complex interview I did, like, I have a statement that I issued here.

[687] This camera.

[688] Okay.

[689] I'm really sorry to all my fans for you guys knowing I do cocaine now or I used to.

[690] I don't do it anymore.

[691] I'm sorry if I let anyone down.

[692] Fuck that.

[693] You know?

[694] Fuck that.

[695] It was really just like, I'm dealing with some shit.

[696] If you don't understand it, I don't go about fuck, this is how I was surviving.

[697] If I didn't do it, I would have blew my brains out.

[698] Well, I like how you describe it, too, because you're very honest about the positive aspects of the effects.

[699] And I think that's super important.

[700] And this was my contract, by the way.

[701] Oh, the release.

[702] Don't worry about it, man. Sorry.

[703] Don't worry about it.

[704] I'm an actor.

[705] Everything's a prop.

[706] Your method.

[707] You're very method.

[708] You're very honest about the positive benefits of it.

[709] Like, people have this idea, like, you shouldn't talk about positive benefits of any drugs, whether it's harmless drugs like marijuana or dangerous drugs.

[710] like cocaine, maybe even especially dangerous drugs like cocaine, because the reality of what you're saying, your experience and the positive aspects of your experience, it's like, he's promoting drugs when clearly you're doing just the opposite.

[711] You're talking about how you needed them and used them and they helped you, but the reality is it was because you were dealing with an issue.

[712] Right.

[713] And it just helped mask the issue.

[714] But it did help.

[715] And to lie and deny that, it clouds the issue for people dealing with their own drug issues dealing with their current drug issues or their past drug issues.

[716] People aren't honest about it, man. It puts people in this weird place.

[717] We're like, you know what, if I wasn't for fucking meth, I would have never started this business.

[718] The reason why I'm doing so well is because I got on meth.

[719] There's some people that can say that probably.

[720] Well, the only reason why I can sit here and say that is because, like, I've been four years clean, man. I'm not like, right.

[721] You're not dipping back in.

[722] Yeah, and I can speak about it candidly, and it's not something and I'm weird about, and I've just grown so much since then.

[723] And I also know that the more I talk about it, you know, the more it'll help somebody else who might be dealing with it, you know what I mean?

[724] You know, when you're in that, it's probably just, it seems like you can't get out of it because it is like a thing, you know what I mean?

[725] A cycle.

[726] Yeah, and you get caught up in it.

[727] And, you know, I just know, with kids listening to me talk now, it's, it could be helping a lot of people.

[728] I'm not like one of those people now that used to do cocaine and I'm like, oh, you're bad if you do cocaine or cocaine's bad and you shouldn't do cocaine.

[729] I don't promote any drug but I'm not judging anybody if they do it.

[730] You know, it's not like a big deal.

[731] I did it and I just abused it in a way and it didn't benefit me. It didn't benefit Scott.

[732] I didn't like the person I was becoming.

[733] There's some people that could do this shit and they could live and do it in moderation and it doesn't affect their lives like how it affected mine, more power to them they got superpowers if you ask me but i just have that you know it's a history of drugs in my family it was like my blood was waiting it was like yeah like let's go and i know that about myself and i just had to make that choice i had to make a choice and i think that's with anything cigarettes and which i'm you know four months five months done with now um you know you just have to make a choice and i made that choice you know for myself for my own health for my daughter for her future for my fans, you know.

[734] Yeah, a bunch of people quit cigarettes because of the daughter.

[735] Anthony Bourdain quit cigarettes because of his daughter, too.

[736] I just realized, like, what am I doing?

[737] Yeah, I mean, for me, like, my father passed away from cancer.

[738] All my uncles passed away from cancer.

[739] And my father died when I was 11, you know.

[740] So that was an experience, you know, for me that kind of, like, traumatized me in such a way.

[741] But I can't, you know, when I got older, I started to, you know, do everything that my father was in.

[742] to like my dad smoked new ports i started smoking new ports at 17 you know my dad's you know he loved m gd miller genuine draft i fucking drank m gd miller genuine draft you know it was like tribute to no i just kind of was becoming my dad in a weird way and and you know it wasn't you know it was like one of those things there's you know i don't know i just kind of i never really had a relationship with him so the only memories i had was just this guy like you know like this guy was just so cool he had his cigarette and he had his beer and he was always awesome and he was there for me as a man and up until he left you know uh and i think i kind of got caught up in that and that's something that like you know i can't say the image of my father drinking smoke is what made me drink and smoke but i can't say it didn't right do you think you took like comfort in it maybe like i think maybe yeah for sure i think everybody takes comfort in smoking cigarettes it's like you know one of those things yeah that's the the grand trick that cigarettes pull on you they they get you give you comfort in that need to replenish like you give you a little stimulant from the nicotine and all the chemicals that are in the cigarette and then you're so addicted to it that you have this weird stress when you don't have it and then when you smoke it relieves that stress and you think that it's actually calming you down but all it's doing is feeding the dragon it's like a drug it's anything oh it's a drug yeah nicotine is one of the craziest drugs all time because it's legal as fuck and you could just get it anywhere kills everybody it's like they present in it in such a way where it's all cool but you know and I don't and that's another thing too I don't I'm not like anti -smokers either like I have friends cover my house if they smoke I don't shush them outside and you know like you can smoke in a house it's not that big of deal you don't mind people stinking up your house they're stinky as cigarettes don't bother me I smoke for a long time and you know it's not like I got people chain smoking in the house somebody needs a cigarette one or two you know it's cool I have friends that used to smoke and if they smell it they get sick they can't they just I'm cool with it I just It's more just like For the people that can't stand it It's people that might still Have an issue with the addiction But if I smell it or anything like that It's kind of just like It's not for me It doesn't really bother me You don't have a pull It doesn't pull you towards it You don't want to smoke it again I mean I get I can't say like Occasionally And this is something that just Will forever happen Because I was addicted to the shit But like I can't say Like after a meal A really good meal I'm like, oh, man, a cigarette wouldn't be nice.

[743] But I don't do that no more.

[744] So that's that.

[745] And then that's it.

[746] Wow.

[747] Good for you.

[748] You know what I mean?

[749] But I got hypnotized, so.

[750] Is that what happened?

[751] You went to hypnotists?

[752] Yeah, yeah.

[753] Do you remember them hypnotizing you?

[754] I remember because you have to listen.

[755] You have to receive the information, you know, that he's telling you, you have to, you know, really process what he's saying.

[756] Because it's really a re -education of the dangers of, you know, it's kind of like what we learned in health class when we were in school as kids, you know, it's no different.

[757] except, you know, over time, the fear is not, you know, as heightened as it was when we were fourth graders sitting in the room with our teachers saying, like, oh, it does, your lungs are nice and pink like this.

[758] Ooh.

[759] And if you smoke, they're black like this.

[760] You know, it's not, over time, we see pop culture.

[761] We see the James Deans.

[762] We see everything going on.

[763] And then it doesn't seem as dangerous.

[764] And basically, this guy reminds you of the dangerous and kind of reboot you.

[765] And it's like, oh shit, it is kind of.

[766] And as an adult, you take it a little bit.

[767] It's really funny, just how the cycle of life goes.

[768] It's like, at my age, I guess, I was able to look at it in the same way I saw it as a fourth grader, you know, and just kind of realize, oh, this is hurting me. So talk me through it.

[769] Do you lie down on the couch and close your eyes?

[770] They turn the lights down.

[771] Well, I had them come to my crib, you know, because I wanted to feel comfortable.

[772] And I had a knife there.

[773] So if you tried any funny bits, I was going to slit him ear to ear.

[774] I was going to slap up.

[775] Did you worry?

[776] Don't touch me. Did you worry?

[777] I thought he would try to, you know, touch me. I didn't know what was happening.

[778] I had a shank.

[779] I needed my pillow in case.

[780] There's a comedian that used to come to the comedy store.

[781] No bullshit.

[782] There was a comedian that used to go to the comedy store that used to hypnotize women.

[783] His thing was that he was a comedian, but he also, like, did some hypnotist work.

[784] And, like, he would always hypnotize girls.

[785] And, like, I remember very clearly, one time I was walking to the back of the comedy store, and he was talking to a girl, and she just pulls her head away, and she goes, no one don't want you to hypnotize me and I was like wow it's true the dude really is out there hypnotizing people that's about that man so cool when they do you do it in your bed no we were in the living room on the couch and he kind of just sits there and he you know count you down and get to sleep you sit up on your back okay so you fully stretched out pillow behind the head just relaxing and then when they count you down what does it feel like it feel like you're tired as hell you like slipping you like slipping into like you know a dream state really relax you just really relax it's like had you been hepatized before this no first time first time only time only one does it three times three times three in three separate sessions does it are weeks apart does it feel different each time you do it or does it feel the same no no after the first time it's like he does this thing it's like after the first one it's like you don't um uh you can smoke between so it's like we did ours from tuesday to tuesday so it came that tuesday that whole week i was allowed to smoke right after the first session after the first uh therapy session and the hypnosis then after that second week you're done completely then after that third week it's like kind of like reestablishing that it's done and and that's the final one but after that first one it's like the final week right so To come out of that hypnosis and still, you know, him telling me, like, I can still smoke.

[786] I still had this urge, like, I don't know if I want to do that.

[787] You know, like, I was allowed to smoke.

[788] He said it was cool.

[789] I remember, like, my first cigarette after, like, the hypnosis, I waited, like, a couple hours.

[790] Like, I had that urge, but I wasn't so quick to jump into it.

[791] Why did he say you could smoke?

[792] What's the logic behind it?

[793] Did you ask him?

[794] just kind of like to I don't know to give it a minute or give you that last week to just know that this is going to be up after because he tells you like all right so this last week you can smoke and then after that second session you're done so when you're going under and he's he's telling you I'm going to count you down and then boom you're under do you remember the first things he said to you like do you were you conscious of it yeah yeah he's just basically you know just talking about you You know, just the dangers of cancer and what it could do to you and how it's just nasty and it's poison and just everything you can imagine that will kind of put it in a way for a human being to understand and get it like, okay, this is dangerous.

[795] Because that's really what it is.

[796] I think the average person that smokes doesn't see the danger in it like that because you might see, you know, the old lady that's 80, 90 years old that's been smoking all her days.

[797] that looks like she's fine, you know, and you just be like, well, I'll probably be that lady or I'll probably be that guy, you know what I mean?

[798] But the reality is you don't know, you know, and it's like a gamble every time, and it's like literally him just kind of, he'll give me scenarios too.

[799] And I don't even know how much I can really talk about because he sells this.

[800] This is like a thing that sounds.

[801] But, you know, he just really gives you examples, you know, just like scenarios, like simple example.

[802] Like, if you knew someone was, you know, If you were dating a girl and you knew that, you know, she was known for poisoning her boyfriends, putting, like, poison or rat poison in her food, but there wasn't real proof, but every guy she dated kind of got murdered.

[803] But she gave you.

[804] And you, you know, we're dating her for a while and she said, you know, she wanted to finally cook for you.

[805] Oh, no. Oh, no. You know, like, what would you do?

[806] You know what I mean?

[807] Like, would you, you knew for a fact that she was, you know, a killer?

[808] Would you let her cook your food?

[809] Would you let this person into your house?

[810] No. You would say, I'm not fucking with the chick.

[811] I mean, guys stop messing with a chick if she calls too many times.

[812] Like, it's just kind of the reality of like, man. Well, anytime you've seen any obsessive behavior or anything dangerous.

[813] Yeah, yeah.

[814] But it's kind of just that reality.

[815] Like, it's poison.

[816] Right.

[817] You're going out your way to buy poison to put in your system.

[818] So you felt much more in touch with the reality of what it is.

[819] Yeah, yeah.

[820] And then, you know, I just, I've seen it.

[821] I've just always been curious about, like, what the state is like.

[822] being hypnotized you don't feel you don't feel disconnected no i felt like i was i could have woke up at any minute i felt like if somebody or if he tried something i could have smacked the shit you were really worried about him trying something this is the second time yo because bro like just like you just like you know what i said if you've never done hypnosis and you see in the movies it just like you kind of like vulnerable yeah and and and you know i just i didn't know what extent that would feel like you know i didn't want to be like i know what you're saying You know what I mean?

[823] So, I don't know.

[824] Have you ever seen, like, one of those comedy hypnotist shows?

[825] No. You should go and check one out if you ever see one.

[826] Well, they make people like dog, or bark like a dog or whatever.

[827] Yeah, yeah.

[828] Is this one guy that does it particularly, right?

[829] He's known for it.

[830] Well, there's a bunch of people all over the country to do it.

[831] Ah, okay.

[832] I mean.

[833] So this is like a thing.

[834] Yeah, yeah, it's a thing, man. I've seen it.

[835] When I was starting out in Boston, there was this comedy club called Stitches, and they had a guy named Frank Santos who did it there all the time.

[836] And I thought it was bullshit at first.

[837] And then from, from, being there all the time i got to see all these shows i realized like whoa no you can just hypnotize some people oh yeah and you get some dudes to come in their own pants they would think they were having sex they would think they were having sex on stage and they would be on the ground like humpin and he would tell them when they were going to come and they would come and they'd be embarrassed and they'd go and sit down yeah i'd be embarrassed too it's like somebody with a ghost hand coming there jerking you off when you're not noticing it it was so strange it's not cool some people apparently are super susceptible to it but he knew he knew when people were under and when they weren't under that's why i was i'm always confused like you so you you were conscious but you were under yeah like he'll do things like i want you and you know say yes you know so he'll you know to check and make sure that you're under or whatever there's certain things that he'll do like and you got and i'm paying for it so it's not like you know i'm not lying right what is under though that's what's confusing to me What is that state?

[838] It's like halfway between dreaming and awake?

[839] I mean, I'm definitely like the understate is more just like a relaxed feeling, not like sleep.

[840] Right.

[841] But it could be, it can be, you know, you can feel like it's sleep because you're breathing slower and that's what sleep is.

[842] Like, you know, you're relaxed and to us that's what sleep feels like, you know, that relaxed state.

[843] But you're conscious.

[844] But you're conscious.

[845] I hear him crystal clear I'm not in deep sleep Hmm You know It feels like it But I'm not I'm hearing everything clearly I'm understanding him You know So I'm not snoring here It's not like It's not weird You feel present But then you just are really Really chill So it's just basically like some weird middle state Yeah It's the in between If some shit that happens That motherfuckers know how to do I don't know Like I've I've never experienced anything like it.

[846] What's the difference between one, session one, and session two, and then session three?

[847] I can't.

[848] The difference between session one and session two, I can't really differentiate between session two and three.

[849] Are you allowed to smoke?

[850] You're allowed to smoke after one.

[851] Are you allowed to smoke after two as well?

[852] No. After two, you're done.

[853] After two, you don't want to.

[854] Really?

[855] I think that's when he actually, like, I think two, the difference between the first stage and the second stage is like the first stage he doesn't really instill.

[856] anything like when you wake up from this you're not gonna be smoking cigarettes anymore like he doesn't say anything like that he's just like educate you and then he's like no you gonna come back you know and i'm gonna cut you out from from 10 all the way up to one you know and he counts you up and cut you up but he doesn't say he says like you can smoke this week you know and after this you're gonna be done you know so like you come out of that first state just kind of like okay but like i said i was hesitant to smoke i really wanted to smoke but what is something that There was something that stuck still in that first, you know, session that made me like, oh, man, it is kind of gross, you know.

[857] What is his success rate?

[858] Did he say?

[859] Literally, I mean, well, he says everybody does it, but I know, you know, I'm pretty sure a lot of people have a hard time with it.

[860] You know, it's just, you really, and this is what he says, and anybody that I know that has done it, too.

[861] It's really just kind of like you have to be ready, you know, in a weird way, you just got to be ready.

[862] And I think that's what anything in life.

[863] I mean, they try to make it like this thing, like, you just got to be ready.

[864] But like, that's what anything, marriage, you know, even just dating someone or whether it's a job, you just got to make that choice and just really want it for yourself to really and really commit, you know?

[865] And really, it costs money, too.

[866] Like, you spend, you paying this money.

[867] I mean, it's like, it's a waste of time, you know, otherwise, you know.

[868] And he's the type of person where even though he's getting paid, he cares.

[869] The dude is passionate.

[870] You know, he devotes his whole life to this.

[871] This guy, Kerry Gaynor, I'm going to give you his contact so you can, he has a Twitter page and stuff, and he does this whole thing where...

[872] He's going to get bombed with dickpicks right now.

[873] They're coming in hot.

[874] Smoke this.

[875] They're coming in hot, bro.

[876] Just say his name.

[877] It worked on my sister.

[878] Don't give his Twitter page out.

[879] They'll get him.

[880] Hypnotic.

[881] Like, my sister got hypnotized, and it worked for about a year.

[882] And then she said one day she just woke up And it was gone and she just started smoking it Yeah, Kerry Gaynor Yeah Wow That's, um What is his Twitter?

[883] You want to give it out?

[884] Oh yeah I could if you want Yeah, I'll find it Because he's a dope dude man He's the nicest guy He totally, as soon as I saw him I knew I wasn't going to have to shank him But you never know You never know Joe Rogan I mean not anybody has the bad that you have Dude where people are just like Not gonna try you They'll still try It's like session one involved chloroform.

[885] It's tough for the squeeze, the sweet of the juice.

[886] His Twitter is Kerry Gaynor.

[887] K -E -R -R -Y -G -A -Y -N -O -R.

[888] Kerry's one of those weird words that dudes are still allowed to have, you know?

[889] But it's a weird one.

[890] He has a Twitter for his...

[891] Chick's name.

[892] For his business.

[893] Why are you naming a dude K -E -R -R -Y?

[894] I mean, it is.

[895] You can get away with it.

[896] but it's strange i think it's the irish thing though too is it okay it could be that or it could be a dominant wife who wishes she had a girl well i promised i promised you that that is not what's going on i had a uh a girlfriend in high school and uh her her mom had a boy's name because the dad wanted a boy so he named her a boy's name it was the craziest situation no i've known people like that have had that yeah for sure it was ugly though because you know she didn't get a along with her parents like her mom did not get along with her parents and uh it's like she's always resented that her dad gave her a boy's name that's creepy you could just change it yeah but it was it was like a love missing thing what was the name i want to say come on i don't want to say come on let's make it that's not that's not that's not that's not that's because girl i don't want a girl named michael no it's it's my girlfriend my girlfriend from high school's mom so i don't think it's appropriate you know Okay, understood, I understood.

[897] But she was a nice lady, but you could tell she wasn't really into people, especially men.

[898] Yeah, it's always weird, too.

[899] Yeah, men with the same name.

[900] She had this strange boyfriend for a while.

[901] It's very weird when you see, like, how other people grow up and you see, like, oh, that's where that comes from.

[902] Like, you got some weird thing about men, and then you go, okay, let me see what's going on in your house.

[903] Oh, look.

[904] Okay, let me see what's going on your house.

[905] Your mom has a boy's name.

[906] and this is her boyfriend, and he's a mess.

[907] Okay, yeah, I see how you'd be weird about dudes.

[908] It's science.

[909] It's not your fault.

[910] It's like, yeah, you've been doing science in your own house.

[911] That's fucked, man. You know, that's the one thing.

[912] When everybody judges people and everybody does love to judge people, the reality is not everybody starts off in the same spot.

[913] You know, some people get a shit spot in life.

[914] Yeah.

[915] You know, and then some people, I think a bad spot or an imperfect spot.

[916] a lot, a lot of times motivates them.

[917] Oh, yeah, for sure.

[918] Do you feel like that happened with you?

[919] Oh, most definitely.

[920] Yeah.

[921] And I think about it.

[922] Like, and that's what a lot of my, my issue came through, you know, with, you know, early on in my career.

[923] I had this moment where literally I had like security and a car service everywhere I went.

[924] And I just started to feel like richy fucking rich.

[925] It was just a, I was like, I got a chaperone.

[926] It's like my mom has this person with me every.

[927] where I go to make sure I don't get in trouble and then like she feeds my bank account as long as I'm good like it just felt really weird you know and uh and you want coke yeah well then I started to get on coke oh that's because it was because you know I came from nothing you know I'm saying it was kind of like it was hard for me to like the way of life was just a different transition yeah yeah I would imagine that's got to be a that's a big leap to come from nothing and then become a famous entertainers wealthy is a very treacherous and difficult path to to manage how to imagine i think most people's motivation is to you know and i can't say i didn't fall victim to it was to just kind of prove people wrong in a way oh yeah and and that was a i mean it wasn't anger that fueled me though it was just more like okay i'll show you well it's your own desire to determine self -worth right right So it wasn't misguided.

[928] It was always just like, okay, I'm doubted.

[929] The odds are against me, but I know what I'm feeling, and this is what I want.

[930] Did pink sign your hand and then you turned into a tattoo?

[931] No, this is pink ploid.

[932] Oh, okay.

[933] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[934] I mean, I'd like to feel like early on in my career, I was pink a bit, you know, building up these walls and kind of like, you know, and I kind of connected with that story early on.

[935] And, you know, I was, you know, really into Floyd so much that it inspired my sound.

[936] Pink Floyd and Electric Light Orchestra really ultimately determine the sound escapes for my entire career.

[937] Are you into vinyl?

[938] Are you into, like, listening to it on Old Vial?

[939] I don't collect vinyl.

[940] I know buddies that do.

[941] I haven't gotten into that.

[942] You know, I feel like that is a hobby that I eventually want to get into.

[943] But I have not experienced, you know, a lot of music that I, you know, would love to on vinyl because I just haven't gotten into that.

[944] It's supposed to have a different sound quality to it, right?

[945] Well, I release all my music on vinyl and, you know, all my album covers.

[946] I design for vinyl covers.

[947] Like, and that's a lot of things that, a lot of people don't know that.

[948] But, you know, I design all my album covers for vinyl and for that presentation to be able to see the artwork and, you know, have this, you know, and be able to hear it in a certain quality, you know, if you can't play Kid Cuddy back in 1960, at least you can kind of get a little taste of a little.

[949] Right, you know.

[950] So, like, we mix for vinyl.

[951] We do everything for vinyl.

[952] Ultimately, you know, we're not doing this shit for, for, you know, iTunes and MP3s, you know?

[953] Right.

[954] How much different is this sound?

[955] Yeah, the rituals big, right?

[956] I'm just getting the vinyl and putting it on there and sit back.

[957] You know, it's a thing.

[958] Well, that thing is rare.

[959] today like people don't sit down and listen to music together yeah like i'll like if a friend is in a car i'll play them some shit like listen to this check this out or if we're here in the studio maybe i'll hook i got this bluetooth speaker thing i could hook it up to that but most of the time you don't sit down with dudes and just listen to music but i remember when i was a kid my stepfather and his friends they would they would put on an album and they would sit down and listen to an album oh yeah you know there was an experience yeah like you would get the new you know whatever the hell it was I remember they had the new Billy Joel album.

[960] I was a little kid, man. It was the piano man. I remember when it was new.

[961] They pulled that shit out.

[962] I was probably like seven or something like that.

[963] And they put it on the record player, and everyone just sat around and listened to this Billy Joel album.

[964] That's what people did back when there was two TV channels.

[965] And I kind of imagine that's what my fans do.

[966] And that's kind of like how I create.

[967] And a lot of people might not.

[968] It's like, that's why when I release a single, for example, it might be some weird shit that people are just like what is this but in the context of the story when you consume the entire album it makes sense you know because I don't really make records for singles you know I'm making an entire album here this is a project what percentage of your music is listened to by pod ads is it like 80 I think more than that I think a hundred percent he's talking about the moon again he tuned it right now fuck in yeah right on in there man uh that's funny man yeah i think that that's what's missing in mainstream music i think everything is always moment to moment single to single who's got who on what record it's not about like sitting down and having an experience you know right and i'm gonna always create with that in mind and i think as long as i do that i always have an audience because there's people you know like us that want that experience that want that feeling uh to get the homies together and even if we all heard the album a trillion times just to put it on from the beginning and let it play you know, it's just dope and nobody really does that anymore everybody's kind of like Spotify this here, Pandora and just skipping around, skipping around, skipping around and that's because music is designed that way you know, but you step into like you know what we do the kids know it's like okay you buy kick out of the album you probably have your friends come over it's a thing it's like don't open until I get there It's a very big deal And I love that there's That type of ritual going on Because like I do it too I go and I buy my own album when it comes out And kids, you know, see me and best buy Arguing like, why is it in the fucking front Put it in the front?

[969] Is that what you do?

[970] No, I'm not arguing I'm just doing the shit now.

[971] I don't talk to anyone.

[972] If it's not in the front of it, yeah.

[973] Really?

[974] Hell yeah, dude.

[975] Wow.

[976] Is that legal?

[977] No, but I do it.

[978] I think that's digital terrorism Or something.

[979] You know, but it's kind of like I look at it like this.

[980] If I'm not going out on a day I'm buying my album, you can't expect other people to do it.

[981] You know, I've got to support my own self too, you know?

[982] That's hilarious.

[983] You're supporting your own self.

[984] That doesn't even work that way.

[985] Just keep the money in your pocket and steal your own album.

[986] Well, that's what you should do.

[987] I really do believe.

[988] That way you really truly support yourself.

[989] Or get caught shoplifting your album at Best Buy so everyone reports it.

[990] There you go.

[991] That's a big story on TMZ.

[992] Yeah.

[993] That's like you would be a front -page guy.

[994] I'd be an idiot.

[995] but you know like I really do believe that man it's just like that's good if you're selling some merch you gotta promote your merch kids got to see you wearing your own stuff you gotta let them know like hey I'm down with this shit too he's covered in his own merch the kid never wears anything but Desquod t -shirts and Desquod hats I have to make my own class now Desquad.

[996] TV he's gonna make his own crocs He's gonna be Desquod crocs He's gonna walk around them he's gonna become that guy I want a pair of those blue crocs with white socks that have Desquot kitties on them.

[997] Would you ever wear crocs outside?

[998] It's so weird that you said that, Joe.

[999] I went to the Magic Castle last night.

[1000] And you were wearing crocs?

[1001] No, I had to buy new shoes because I don't wear, have dress shoes.

[1002] You're a member up there?

[1003] Huh?

[1004] No. No, I got invited.

[1005] Oh, lucky bastard.

[1006] Would you really want to go to that?

[1007] Just to see what's up.

[1008] Yeah.

[1009] Just to, I just drive by it every damn day.

[1010] I want to know what's going on.

[1011] That'd be easy.

[1012] Yeah?

[1013] I can get you in.

[1014] Okay.

[1015] But I had to get dressed shoes, and I was joking.

[1016] with my girlfriend that I was just going to buy black crocs so I could use them other times than just dressing up and she thought I'd wore them the whole time because I had an old pair of crocs and they're like these are what I buy and she's like are you sure you're not wearing those and then right before I left I switched on but we had this whole crock thing last night that's hilarious crocs are great do you own crocs yet no no no no but I mean I don't have any problem with wearing them I mean I would wear them if they were that comfortable yeah it's not good I don't own any but I heard they're good it's my I walk outside and get the mail or do something else.

[1017] I usually wear either skate shoes or wear Converse.

[1018] Like All -Stars, that's where I wear.

[1019] Yeah, that's good.

[1020] See, I got these leather chucks on.

[1021] Nice.

[1022] They're comfortable.

[1023] I got these bates today.

[1024] Capow!

[1025] Oh, those are nice.

[1026] What are those?

[1027] Bates in eight?

[1028] A couple years.

[1029] I mean, like five years old these came up.

[1030] I like that.

[1031] I like the star on the side.

[1032] It's pretty dope.

[1033] Skate shoes are probably the most comfortable.

[1034] Like them and like chuck tailors those are all like pretty much i used to only wear vans and then uh my girl got me into wearing jordan's and stuff like that they're built that's i get it now they are the most comfortable shoe in the rural welcome welcome welcome to the dark side finally you've got jordan are you going to be one of those dudes like on MTV cribs where you go into your house you got all these jordan's like stacked up around your place look at these shoes right here oh nice look at you yeah you son of a bitch Look at my mags.

[1035] Back to the Future shoes.

[1036] Those are giant.

[1037] Those are from Back to the Future.

[1038] Is that what they're from?

[1039] Yeah, those are the mags, the Nike Mags.

[1040] Are those comfortable?

[1041] Yeah, they are, man. They designed the shit out of those.

[1042] Joe, have you ever wear a pair of Jordans or any of those kind of shoes?

[1043] I haven't in a long time.

[1044] When I used to have a deal with Nike, I used to have one of those things where, like, when I was on news radio, they'd give you free shoes.

[1045] And on Fear Factor, too.

[1046] They just send me boxes of free Nike's.

[1047] I just stopped I don't really do TV anymore I'd be rude if I kept calling them so you know I still need that shit yeah they're like um what are you gonna do with this it's gonna work out and your shit but they had a thing where you could call them and they would give you free stuff that's amazing yeah but I so they would give me a bunch of stuff that I wouldn't wear like white and red like basketball shoes I'd be like I can't think I can wear these but a lot of like cross trainers and shit they have comfortable shit but I got into like smaller soul things that have like less, you feel the ground more, like Chuck's, like Chuck Taylor's.

[1048] I like that better.

[1049] I can't perform in Jordans, you know, and that's something I discovered recently.

[1050] Really?

[1051] In what way?

[1052] I just can't move.

[1053] In bed or on stage?

[1054] Imagine that?

[1055] On stage.

[1056] I need combat boots.

[1057] I fuck with Army boots on.

[1058] Only.

[1059] With a cigar hanging out of your mouth like fucking Sergeant Fury.

[1060] That's ridiculous.

[1061] How about Timbalands?

[1062] Man, I've seen people do it in all sorts of, you know, footwear.

[1063] But for me, I'm moving around a lot.

[1064] And it's hard for me to move as quick and as nimble.

[1065] Why is that?

[1066] With Jordans, I would feel they were athletic shoes.

[1067] Well, I'm not like, well, first off, I'm not like, I don't have them laced up.

[1068] Oh.

[1069] You know, like, I'm about to go play full court.

[1070] You know what I mean?

[1071] So there's that.

[1072] So they're slipping around.

[1073] Yeah, there's the whole, like, you know, trying to be fresh thing about it.

[1074] So they're not, like, really being worn, how they're supposed to be worn.

[1075] But then, like, there's nothing like Converse where it feels like you're literally dancing barefoot.

[1076] Yeah.

[1077] Like on your tippy toes from one end to the stage to the other.

[1078] And that's literally I find, like, the best sneaker for me on stage.

[1079] Yeah, Converse are the best for working out, too.

[1080] Like, if you're lifting with stuff, you just feel the ground with them.

[1081] There's very little padding.

[1082] But it makes you think, like, those dudes like Julius Irving and, like, back in the day where they used to wear those and actually play basketball games in them, that's incredible.

[1083] Yeah.

[1084] Like, that's what they wore.

[1085] Chuck Taylor's.

[1086] They would play a fucking basketball game with no protection, basically.

[1087] You know?

[1088] Ancles were getting broken.

[1089] Oh, they probably snapped.

[1090] But then again, they probably developed tougher ankles, you know?

[1091] Like, they grew up doing that.

[1092] Does that make any sense?

[1093] Yeah.

[1094] Jamie Chakes his head.

[1095] He's a fucking physiological...

[1096] Muscular ankles, man. I'm there.

[1097] Yeah.

[1098] I think...

[1099] Well, doesn't it make sense that, like, if you used it, it would get stronger?

[1100] No?

[1101] Like, if you put too much bracing around it...

[1102] Can I talk with that?

[1103] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, go ahead.

[1104] Yeah, I would imagine.

[1105] There's a letter right there.

[1106] Thank you.

[1107] There's some more of these, too.

[1108] Thank you.

[1109] Joe's Hello, Kitty, Larry.

[1110] Am I on camera?

[1111] Oh, no. Okay.

[1112] Make sure he's on camera.

[1113] We don't want the world.

[1114] No, he smokes weed.

[1115] So, uh, we got in touch because you reached out to, uh, to me on Twitter out of nowhere.

[1116] What?

[1117] Oh, yeah.

[1118] That was cool.

[1119] We was on Twitter talking shit.

[1120] Yeah.

[1121] I love what you do, Joe.

[1122] I'm a big fan.

[1123] I'm sorry.

[1124] You don't mind us.

[1125] No, please.

[1126] Okay.

[1127] Hello everybody This is like what everybody wants to see Right This is what you guys want to see No they want to see Shoot heroin Do bumps There's a bunch And the other one Brian is a bunch There's a bunch There's a bunch in that one Um yeah Do some bumps dog I'll tell you what Joe When I get married I'm gonna invite you to my wedding Me and you're gonna do some bumps No I never done coke I've never done coke Well here's the thing I don't think I'm ever never gonna get married so like beautiful this works out for the i remember saying that too they get you man i want to be gotten joe i want to be gotten bro it's definitely better than wanting to be gotten being gotten is better than wanting to be gotten yeah man i'm i'm joking by the way i'm just dicking around everybody wants love it's the truth oh for sure dude it's one of the weirdest things when you know somebody just can't ever fucking get it right they can't find somebody they care about like everybody knows this one girl or one dude that just can't get a girlfriend or boyfriend there's always like the struggle they're always single they can't find anybody worth the fuck that's sad shit what they can't find anyone to fuck or just worth worth a fuck yeah i mean almost everybody what that's me lower your standards enough to find somebody that'll fuck you that's you no i mean i i'm not saying that i meet i don't i meet people that aren't worth a fuck but it is hard to find somebody you know and and it's it's just it doesn't it's no different whether you a celebrity or not you know it's just hard to meet people and you don't it's also it's hard it's hard to really i guess trust and believe you know someone i mean how well do you ever really know someone you know and and you know how long does it take to say that you really know someone how do you know what somebody is giving you is really them you know it's true i mean there's definitely people that will bullshit you and there's definitely people that have layers to their personality that you didn't imagine especially if you cross them if you develop some sort of a feud with them and you find out that they're willing to just go completely psycho on you and take shit to the next level and start banging on your fucking door in the middle of the night screaming get that hoe out of there you know this well that's me I that's what you do that's your move I'm totally certain people can go mentally insane in the course of a relationship right um but no I feel you man But I like to keep a stance where it's like, well, fuck that, you know, I don't need anyone.

[1128] But deep down, like, everybody wants somebody that's like a companion, you know.

[1129] There's somebody that's a best friend and a teammate.

[1130] And I kind of, you know, will always want that.

[1131] But it's not something that I'm like searching for like I used to.

[1132] Like, it was for a while.

[1133] It was like I felt like that was the only way I can get a certain happiness in my life, you know?

[1134] Right.

[1135] And just come to terms with it.

[1136] and you realize that that's not the way.

[1137] And, you know, I'm just very hopeful, you know, that I'll run into somebody, but it is tough, you know, and I meet a lot of cool chicks, you know, I meet a lot of cool chicks.

[1138] And, you know, it's just, for me, it's just really just, it's tough about being at the right place and the right time when, you know.

[1139] Sometimes you're not in the right place in your own head, too.

[1140] Right, that's what I'm saying.

[1141] It's a good person to be in a relationship with.

[1142] Yeah, and that's, that's, and I really do, I feel like, you know, at this time of my life, You know, there's a lot of soul searching that Scott needs to do.

[1143] Scott's talking about himself in the third person now?

[1144] In third person.

[1145] Scott, I didn't want to admit that, you know.

[1146] So when I have to admit shit like that, you know, flaws and all, I have to step out.

[1147] Right.

[1148] Scott needs to get his shit together.

[1149] Yeah, it never means like, I have to get my shit together.

[1150] It sounds so much worse.

[1151] Jefferson Starship, man. They said it back in the 60s.

[1152] Don't you want somebody to love?

[1153] Oh, yeah.

[1154] Don't you need somebody to love?

[1155] Wouldn't you love somebody to love?

[1156] You better find somebody to love Yeah And that bitch could sing I really feel like You know Well I actually want to ask Before I go into this How did you meet your lady Like was it just like Because everybody says like It happens when you don't When you least expect it Like was it at I don't like to get too into my personal life On podcast Because I think people fixate On other people's personal lives too much And it gets weird When people start talking to you In public about your personal life And you don't even know them So I just found There's no benefit in doing that.

[1157] Right.

[1158] But it just met her in a normal environment.

[1159] I met her in a bar.

[1160] You can meet people.

[1161] It doesn't, it's like, where do you go?

[1162] Well, if you go, like, people say, oh, you never meet somebody in a bar or you never meet somebody in a bowling alley.

[1163] Do you go to a bowling alley?

[1164] Yes.

[1165] Okay, well, then you could meet somebody at a bowling alley.

[1166] Yeah.

[1167] You know, people vary.

[1168] It's just finding them.

[1169] And that's what's, it's not that easy.

[1170] Finding the right combination of you and them.

[1171] And you might be terrible to other people.

[1172] Like, other people might think, like, the last thing I want is this crazy scott motherfucker in my life yeah there's some chicks right now that's sure it's of course sorry girls we're not all compatible with each other and everybody wants to take that as a sign of rejection or a sign is a sign of you know your own lack of self -worth or something like that but it's not that somewhere out there there there's someone who enjoys your personality yeah if you if you're honest and you're nice like if you're honest with yourself you understand your flaws whatever you're trying to do in this life try to do it well if you got you know you got a lot of positive energy about you could probably find somebody yeah yeah but you got to be worth finding yeah i got to get out the house joe got to get out the house that's step one step two i play a lot of xbox so that's my thing and whenever you want to come over you can either go deep um i'm sorry or you could get out of the house or you could just go oculus rift and live your whole life through the net that's like common man Yeah, I just have a me character I date in this other realm.

[1173] It's kind of like her, like, you know, and it's just my babe in this world.

[1174] She's hot as fuck, and then when you're done banging her, you pull her mask off and it's you.

[1175] You're like, what the hell is that?

[1176] Well, the thing is, you can always power down.

[1177] It's not like something you've got to deal with all the time, you know?

[1178] Maybe.

[1179] Maybe they get you like a hypnotist.

[1180] Just climb inside your head.

[1181] I want the world to know that, like, I'm part -time, a comedian when I want to.

[1182] So there's a lot of sarcasm So just bear with us here You can kind of like You know Decipher most of it Yeah you don't want to take any of your quotes In text Yeah because I come from I come from a world where anything That come out of my mouth is taking So it's like I want to make sure that we understand We're dicking around here And we're having fun You know And that's why I came here today Because I don't do interviews And I don't sit down and talk to anybody My fans know Because shit's weird You know People aren't cool you know Not everybody is as cool as Joe Rogan, bro, you know?

[1183] So, like, a big fan, like I said, and I know you talk about psychedelics, and I saw something you were talking about one time, you were talking about how you went into, uh, what is it, one of those chambers?

[1184] Isolation tank?

[1185] Yeah, and I was it a video?

[1186] I think, no, I didn't.

[1187] It wasn't a video.

[1188] Brian made a video about it when I gave away my tank.

[1189] It was like one of your best videos.

[1190] Oh, you own one, bro?

[1191] Yeah, well, yeah, I own one now, but I had another one, my old one, I gave it away online.

[1192] So we had this, uh, Where do you get them?

[1193] Well, you can buy them.

[1194] Buy them online.

[1195] Holy shit.

[1196] Yeah, I mean, you can order.

[1197] There's a bunch of different companies, but we'll talk afterwards because I'll ask you where you live, and then I'll tell you your best option.

[1198] But the place that you want to visit, there's a place called the Float Lab, and it's in Venice, and the guy who runs it as my friend Crash.

[1199] He's actually been on the podcast before, and he's the master when it comes to float tank technology.

[1200] He's the guy that really changed the entire industry, because it used to be like kind of home models that were like kind of flimsy and you know they would have all sorts of issues he fixed all the issues changed all the filtration system made them much more durable much bigger better insulation like he's turned them into these incredible like complete next level devices oh wow that's that's in california so the best place is in california there's another place that's in austin uh that is probably uh right up there and that place fuck i forget the name of it i got it on my my instagram Me up with all this, man. I need all this information.

[1201] Do you live in California?

[1202] Yeah, I'm here.

[1203] Okay, well, if you live in California, then there's one place to go.

[1204] That's the float lab.

[1205] Here's, if you look at the video, here's Joe's the isolation tank he had at his house.

[1206] This is his old one.

[1207] The Amazon Indians, and he brought it back to him.

[1208] I'm talking about the movie altered states, which is where I found out about isolation tank.

[1209] It was like 11 or 12 years ago.

[1210] into the box after a double filter.

[1211] And on top of that, I also have this right here, which is an oxygen scrubber, just like they have at those oxygen bars.

[1212] This little machine right here pulls oxygen, pure oxygen out of the air, and it pumps it through this tube.

[1213] And this tube gets it all gets pumped into the tank while I'm lying in it.

[1214] So I get pure oxygen, which is amazing for your mind anyway.

[1215] It makes you feel very refreshed.

[1216] And then on top of that, I'm in this weightless bodiless experience where it's just you and your thoughts usually my experience it takes the first 15, 20 minutes is always just me thinking about my life, me thinking about my friendships, my relationship.

[1217] What the fuck?

[1218] Are you underwater?

[1219] No, you float.

[1220] There's so much salt in the water that when you're lying in it, you just float.

[1221] Right.

[1222] So you're like half your body's above the water like this much and everything behind it is underwater.

[1223] It's like your ears are underwater.

[1224] So you can either wear ear plugs if you want i don't usually wear earplugs i just get in but some people like earplugs right you can just rinse your ears out and what happens you float and you're in total silence what's the experience total darkness well total darkness it varies if you feel like you're flying through space like i recently got graham hancock into it he just did a couple of them and that's his description but he said it feels like you're in space you're flying because you're weightless and as you're lying there like floating that's a that never happens in life where you don't feel like there's anything holding you down you feel like you're flying through space yeah and because the fact that you're in this tank with no light coming in and no sound you have no like your brain doesn't have any work to do doesn't have to worry about your balance doesn't have to worry about moving you around or dealing with your environment in any way nothing's coming in yeah so this tank was created by this guy who's a he's a pioneer in interspecies communications with dolphins he's this really crazy guy called john lilly and he did all these like really important important studies with dolphins, like trying to teach dolphins human words and trying to communicate about their noises are so much different than ours, but he did a lot of it while he's on acid.

[1225] He was trying to develop a bunch of ways to get outside of the influence of the body.

[1226] Like he was being very scientific about it.

[1227] And his ideas where he used to have like a scuba tank that was like you had a helmet on, like one of those 25 ,000 leagues under the sea type helmets.

[1228] Yeah, that's what I'm thinking.

[1229] Like at first when you were talking about, I was like, what about?

[1230] fuck that's what he used to have and he used to have it where it was like hooked up where it was on a harness and you would be sort of just dunked in the water so eventually you'd forget about the helmet you forget about your body you just chill out and relax and the water was the same temperature as your skin so it becomes indistinguishable after a while once he's got it dialed in just right you don't want it too hot because then you can sweat if you don't want it too cool or you're cold in there and start shivering you guys the goldilocks 93 and a half degrees it's like 93 and a half some people it's 94 yeah So you should do it, man It's amazing So you got it at your crib?

[1231] Yeah, I have one Could I come over and try?

[1232] Sure, absolutely I would love to you Yeah, absolutely But if you wanted to get one for your house too Crash definitely sells those Okay I feel like it's something that should be In every university It's something that should be And just a lot of people should If they have the money Or they have the time Or the group of people get together And invest in it It's so beneficial And it's something that's just It's not thought of as being important like tool in your life yeah but the ability to tune the whole world out and just float that's awesome oh you trip your balls up too but how do you get in and out of it like if somebody has to help you know no no it's real easy it's real easy it's only 11 inches of water okay so as you're lying there you mean you just stand up when you're done okay and you just get out it's nothing means you can't you can't drown the water's 11 inches and it's only six feet wide just you touch the sides with your hands you know you center yourself in the middle and relax and when you do it you get more and more comfortable every time you do it the first time you do it it would be a little weird like everybody's described it pretty much says what I always have said like the first couple times it's just like about getting to relax figuring out how to relax but once you've done it like a few dozen times yeah then it just becomes that thing you do just get in there you just but for me it's giant whenever there's any issues that I'm dealing with any any problems that I have maybe creatively even you know I like to go in there I'll go in there with jiu jitsu problems I'll go in there with uh try like try to analyze someone's movements like if there's a guy who like keeps catching me with a particular submission i would i would go in the tank and i would try to work out like the defense for the submission in the tank oh wow yeah i would go with like a specific goal in mind because it makes your brain like supercharged because we don't like when i'm sitting here i got a super uncomfortable chair this is this thing called a saddle chair a sally's swing something chair holy shit it's super uncomfortable but it's really good for your back.

[1233] It makes you sit.

[1234] It makes you sit like an arrow, you know.

[1235] But it's stupid, uncomfortable, man. What was my point?

[1236] No, you were saying that, like...

[1237] I completely lost my point.

[1238] I picked up to show the fucking chair.

[1239] What was I saying?

[1240] Just before that.

[1241] None of you guys know.

[1242] I was listening.

[1243] Three people in this room.

[1244] That's a sure sign that your conversation...

[1245] You gave me a joint!

[1246] That's a sure sign.

[1247] Whatever I was saying was very ineffective.

[1248] Because no one remembers it at all I was following Yeah short -term memories Motherfucker man Yeah what were you talking about I don't know Oh we're talking about Sensory deprivation Because this This gives me a lot of sensory input It's uncomfortable It's like pinching my dick You gotta squeeze your legs together To sit up And when you're sitting in it You're constantly kind of working out your legs Like you're pinching your legs together Oh that's the only way you can sit up Is if you squeeze your legs That's the key to it The key to it is it's uncomfortable And when you do sit like that, it activates your core, and it's actually good for your back.

[1249] And it makes my back feel great.

[1250] It's amazing.

[1251] Like I do a three -hour podcast, my back doesn't fuck with me at all.

[1252] Whereas if I sit in a regular chair, after like three hours, I feel like tight, you know, I feel like kinked up.

[1253] This doesn't do that at all.

[1254] But there's a lot of sensory input.

[1255] I think when you're dealing with, like, there's a keyboard in front of you, or do you see that light, you see this clock, you see all these different things, you're taking in your entire environment, you're feeling.

[1256] the gravity of your body pulling into the chair.

[1257] There's all these things that your brain is calculating.

[1258] And if there was some people next to you, they were screaming and yelling, it would be really hard to pay attention to what you're saying.

[1259] Like, sometimes we do these podcasts and they'll be unloading trucks.

[1260] And we'll hear the trucks in the background.

[1261] Bang, bang, bang.

[1262] You know, we'll hear the hydraulics and the engines and shit.

[1263] And it's distracting.

[1264] It makes you wish that it would go away because then you'd be able to formulate your thoughts without any resistance, with less resistance.

[1265] Right.

[1266] But when you're in that tank, that is that, that that's that state at its best because there's nothing coming in there's nothing coming in it's just your mind there's nothing coming in and when you get to that place where there's nothing coming in it's beautiful you just you get a real chance to like go over shit creative stuff or personal stuff or you know problems like if you play a game if there's anything that you do where you're constantly working at it like some guys play golf or some guys you can get in that tank and just think about all the various things the various aspects of anything anything you're trying to concentrate on.

[1267] And it offers you this window of concentration that's just unavailable any other way.

[1268] Yeah, yeah, yeah, I feel you.

[1269] I mean, I definitely need to try it because I've heard a lot about it, but I never really knew what it was, and I didn't really know how you would go about doing it.

[1270] Super easy.

[1271] That's another thing, too.

[1272] It's like, who do you ask?

[1273] You know, and that's with anything, like...

[1274] Well, right now there's less of them than there should be.

[1275] They should be all over the place.

[1276] And people are starting to open up these tank centers.

[1277] Yeah, it was about saying.

[1278] It could be a place where you just go, like a spot.

[1279] They have them.

[1280] have them.

[1281] There's a bunch of them that are popping up.

[1282] There's a couple of them in California, but only a couple.

[1283] But I know that I know that the guys who run on the map thinking about starting one.

[1284] And I know that Crash is opening up a bigger one in Westwood.

[1285] It's just very under, as far as like the amount of demand, it's very underutilized.

[1286] That demand is undertapped into because I think a lot of people would like it.

[1287] And Burbank one's still there, I think.

[1288] Yep.

[1289] Soothing Solutions, which is in Burbank, which is where I first went in like 2002.

[1290] I got hooked immediately.

[1291] Like, I couldn't, I couldn't imagine that this is something that so few people were talking about.

[1292] Yeah, you got to try it.

[1293] You got to try it.

[1294] And you were actually the first person.

[1295] I might have heard about it in another conversation, too, but you were the first person I heard talk about it extensively in detail.

[1296] And it wasn't this video.

[1297] I heard you talking about it at one of your podcasts.

[1298] Yeah, I won't shut the fuck up about it.

[1299] And people get mad.

[1300] Well, you have one.

[1301] I mean, it's not just that.

[1302] I'm telling you, if you don't, if you haven't tried it, you don't know, I'm telling you for your own.

[1303] good.

[1304] If I'm beating a dead horse, I apologize.

[1305] You just one of the lucky sons of bitches that has one in his house.

[1306] Look, there's a lot of people that do renovations to their house.

[1307] They do all these different things.

[1308] They spend a lot of money.

[1309] That doesn't even come into the realm of possibility.

[1310] Like, we've got to get a hot tub.

[1311] That's there.

[1312] People love to get hot tubs.

[1313] Oh, Mike and Sue got a new hot tub.

[1314] Let's come on over.

[1315] We'd go sit in the jacuzzi.

[1316] Oh, nice.

[1317] What does this run you?

[1318] That's about five grand?

[1319] Well, a little more, Bob.

[1320] And they have these fucking stupid conversations, but if one of them said, hey man, I'm thinking about getting an isolation tank, which is like, you could get one for less than that.

[1321] I think a company called Zen float, they make one that's like really inexpensive.

[1322] I think it's like $1 ,700.

[1323] It's like the least, the least expensive one.

[1324] It's not the same as like crashes, not even close.

[1325] It's flimsy, but it'll work, you know?

[1326] It's, I don't know how it deadens the sound anyway, but I guess being underwater deadens the sound.

[1327] You know, maybe it works great.

[1328] Maybe it's enough.

[1329] It's definitely better than nothing, that's for sure.

[1330] The kids are talking about us on Twitter, I love it.

[1331] Don't pay attention to that shit.

[1332] No, it's great.

[1333] It's great.

[1334] It's a lot of being mean to you, so you pay attention to them.

[1335] No, they love it.

[1336] Of course they do.

[1337] They love us, bro.

[1338] This will fuck you up, though.

[1339] You can't be doing that while you're doing a podcast.

[1340] We'll never get to talking.

[1341] We'll be doing no talking.

[1342] I was like, we've been on here kicking it.

[1343] I wonder how you feel right now.

[1344] You can't worry about that shit, man. Can't trust him.

[1345] Can't trust them with your thoughts.

[1346] Dawn of the Dead You got a Don of the Dead shirt Yeah man That's a dope fucking horror movie That was scary Yeah Oh yeah When that movie came out And they were going through the mall When the zombies were wandering through the mall Yeah Yeah The people don't know All these people today That are so spoiled Because we've had about a billion fucking zombie movies Back then when Dawn of the Dead was around When that first movie When that movie first came out That was a game changer It made people shit their pants And I think that that's like You know I'm a big walkie dead fan and you're a walking dead.

[1347] Yeah.

[1348] So like, you know, like Greg Nicotero, who's just like, you know, special effects legend, you know, did a lot of the earlier special effects in these movies, you know, and just to see Walking Dead and see, like, just how they use real practical effects and all the gore is just so real looking.

[1349] Yeah.

[1350] It's so sick, man. I'm just a horror movie fanatic, man. I've just been obsessed with horror since I was a kid.

[1351] Me too.

[1352] The only thing that bugs me about the Walking Dead is uniformity of their slasher sounds.

[1353] what do you mean when they're cutting somebody up when they're killing people and stuff you know where they're hacking up zombies the sounds are all the same you know what I'm saying it's like there's not a lot of variety and the sounds they make when they cut open their heads man they get gruesome it's always like it's always the same you know what I mean it's like the cat sound every time somebody throws something out the window it's always the exact saying like it's always like super exaggerated too I would just like a little realism like sometimes when you hit someone in the head with a bat it doesn't make the best sound like sometimes you just graze them it doesn't have that that same every time it's quchch it's like it's you got a bat you're the bat specialist you know you just know well i've seen a lot of zombie movies bro i know if it's done correctly it makes a different sound like the best was 28 days later in my opinion that's the best zombie movie of all time did you see the second one the shot of dead was fun that was really fun the sequel was good 28 weeks later, that was great too Look, it was, there was a difference In that those zombies were scary as fuck They ran at you And they could bite you And if it got in you, you would instantly turn You know, there was some wild scenes That scene, spoiler alert Where that chick chops her boyfriend up With the machete He got bit and she goes, let me see your arm And she looks and he goes, no And she just starts hacking at him with the machete That is dark It's real life Fuck yeah it is It's real life, Joe Rogan.

[1354] That's real life zombie life.

[1355] It's not real life.

[1356] It's a movie.

[1357] In my eyes, it's real life, Joe.

[1358] That was a fucking great movie, man. That was a great horror movie.

[1359] So you're into, like, the special effects guys and everything.

[1360] You know who they are.

[1361] Yeah, I'm into, like, you know, art. And I look at that as an art form.

[1362] Oh, yeah.

[1363] That's how those guys do it.

[1364] It's just, it's sick.

[1365] It takes a certain level of expertise and taste.

[1366] And, you know, I'm just a fan of that anybody that can do a horror movie with no CGI, I mean, bravo.

[1367] And it still be funny and believable.

[1368] It's like, or a TV show or anything, it's, you know, not easy, you know.

[1369] Oh, it's really hard.

[1370] These guys like Pat McGee is the guy who did the werewolf out there, which is the copy of the Rick Baker.

[1371] When I walked in, I was like, okay, okay, I know I'm in the right place.

[1372] The Rick Baker, uh, werewolf from American Werewolf in London.

[1373] And one of the beautiful things about that movie, that there was no cg i was all rick baker's creation and they had to show it to you in these little flashes they couldn't just show you so much of it like they do today yeah like now yeah the monsters look way better for sure they're but they're showing you too much yeah so in showing you too much it's actually it actually looks shittier like there's a lot of monster movies where like one of the weird things about monsters like a real monster movie is you see them so briefly before they kill you.

[1374] You know, it's like, oh, Jesus, and then you're dead.

[1375] Like, and they sort of represented that in American werewolf in London.

[1376] Like, you saw that thing for, like, a frame, two frames, and you were shit in your pants.

[1377] The guy was running through the subway, and there's a brief, like, a couple frames where the werewolf's at the bottom of the escalator, and it's down there, and he's traveling up, and he sees the werewolf starting to make its way up the escalator, and he's shit in his pants.

[1378] It's a couple seconds, and it's gone.

[1379] And it's like, God damn.

[1380] It's so much better than showing people like a CGI.

[1381] Like those movies that are kind of fun, underworld, those kind of underworld movies.

[1382] But the werewolf is the hour of screen time as a werewolf.

[1383] If you get used to seeing it, it's not scary anymore.

[1384] They got it.

[1385] It's like, you know, if you can tease the audience and build up that anticipation, it's like, you know, because you can, you know, do the CGI and make, you know, the monster look more present in the scene, you know, It's kind of like People aren't thinking about They give it to them in doses Yeah Some movies have done it You know dope Like I liked Cloverfield I thought that was sick I was great You know The new Godzilla I thought was dope I wasn't mad at it It was fun to watch Yeah The dude who kept surviving Bumb me out a little bit I was just like This motherfucker has no worst luck Yet the best luck ever He keeps getting in these Cataclysmic situations It keeps getting out With a bandaid Everybody else is dead This fucking dude rises from every ass brushes himself off we gotta fight Godzilla he's not freaking the fuck out that a bridge just missed his head no he's like we gotta get Godzilla gotta save my family and get Godzilla still haven't seen it oh my god it's worth seeing just for the end scene just for the fight scene between Godzilla and the other monster yeah that's epic it's pretty dope I wasn't expecting that that's pretty dope and then it reminds you that like Godzilla is really about Godzilla well Godzilla is a hero movie yeah it's like Godzilla is a hero.

[1386] Godzilla is a hero.

[1387] So is King Kong.

[1388] Those are hero movies.

[1389] Like you can't, they're not scary movies.

[1390] Like, it's not like a monster movie.

[1391] Like, King Kong, you only see them in brief seconds.

[1392] It wouldn't work.

[1393] Like, that's one of the main problems with, like, special effects, and a movie like King Kong.

[1394] It's like it always had to be special effects.

[1395] From the 1930 movie.

[1396] Like, you've got to see them all the time.

[1397] Yeah.

[1398] It's not like this monster you briefly see for a second, and then it gets you like the original alien.

[1399] Oh, yeah.

[1400] Oh, yeah.

[1401] I mean, but that's the shit that, I mean, aliens is always going to be a classic.

[1402] The original one was the best, because you barely saw it.

[1403] I think they all were kind of like that, though, because in the environments that they were at, it was just so fucking shady.

[1404] Like, you know, the spaceships and...

[1405] Well, the second one was pretty fucking dope.

[1406] That was the James Cameron one, Aliens.

[1407] But it was different than the first one, because the first one, you barely saw that fucking thing.

[1408] You barely saw it.

[1409] It was always...

[1410] And by the time they saw it, it would be on them, and it would kill them, and that would be it.

[1411] Yeah.

[1412] And then the second one, they're everywhere, and they're just shooting them and killing them.

[1413] Like, they kill them so much easier.

[1414] Yeah.

[1415] The first one, it was like this super intelligent thing that was sneaking up on you.

[1416] Yeah.

[1417] It was like some super genius alien.

[1418] And the second one, it was like this trailer park aliens.

[1419] And there was a million of them.

[1420] And they were all idiots.

[1421] They were all idiots.

[1422] Like, the first alien was brilliant.

[1423] It was so clever and sneaky.

[1424] It knew where people were going, and it would ambush them.

[1425] It would hide.

[1426] And then the second move.

[1427] They were all dumb.

[1428] They were just jacking them.

[1429] They were just running to a room and kill four or five of them.

[1430] The third one was my favorite.

[1431] Really?

[1432] With rock.

[1433] The rock was at?

[1434] Charles Lus Dutton.

[1435] He's a nice guy, man. I meant that dude once.

[1436] He was on a TV show with him.

[1437] Like one of those talk show type things.

[1438] Back when he was doing that show, he was cool as fuck.

[1439] Yeah, he seems cool.

[1440] Very friendly.

[1441] But he was a badass in that movie.

[1442] He was the only person I ever seen in that whole franchise.

[1443] Go toe to toe.

[1444] That's right.

[1445] Go toe to toe.

[1446] Wasn't Winona Ryder in that one, too?

[1447] Or was she in the fourth one?

[1448] How many of them were out of?

[1449] I know the third one was he was in the third one, right?

[1450] Am I right?

[1451] I think so.

[1452] Because that was the one she killed herself.

[1453] Right.

[1454] Because she had the baby.

[1455] She had the baby inside of the lava, right?

[1456] Yeah.

[1457] Damn, she wanted to kill the baby.

[1458] Yeah.

[1459] And that was the one, that was the one where he was down there about to square up with the dude because he ran out of ammo.

[1460] Yeah.

[1461] It was like, is that all you got?

[1462] It was like fighting him.

[1463] Yeah, that's right.

[1464] So fucking G. Yeah.

[1465] That didn't end well, though, for him.

[1466] Yeah, but you know, but you know, hey, hey, we don't make it in these movies like that, and we don't make it.

[1467] But he is probably like in a horror movie, or I wouldn't even call it a horror movie.

[1468] It was more like a sci -fi, you know, thrillers.

[1469] The first one was a horror movie.

[1470] Yeah, but that third, by the third one, it was just more like a, it didn't come off more.

[1471] It was more like action than sci -fi, but that was the only time I've ever seen in that franchise if we dare call a horror where, you know, you know, the black character goes out in such a way.

[1472] was like, you know, fuck that, you know, going out swinging, like, to some shit like that, come on.

[1473] Like, an alien, like, dude.

[1474] Like, come on, Joe Rogan, you would not, you would not square up with no alien like that.

[1475] Yeah, who would you do?

[1476] You just, like, just shit your pants.

[1477] Yeah, exactly.

[1478] Let it eat you.

[1479] Exactly.

[1480] It's going to eat you.

[1481] It's happening.

[1482] Yeah.

[1483] It's happening.

[1484] It's like, if a puppy talks shit to you, you're like, what?

[1485] That's what it's like.

[1486] It's like, you know, that's what the alien is like with a person.

[1487] True.

[1488] be told yeah and then it became aliens versus predators like what the fuck did you do it's a slow degradation from like one of the greatest horror movies of all time a ridley scott masterpiece to like this preposterous just action fun film i mean they're fun i didn't watch that though i watched alien versus one of them one of them i remember oh there was more than one oh there's like a thousand of them i didn't even fucking turn them out every year no how many aliens versus predators no if i had a guess Let me guess.

[1489] I want to say this three or four Alien versus Predators.

[1490] I don't believe this.

[1491] I remember there was one.

[1492] There's only two?

[1493] Get the fuck out of here.

[1494] I'm not buying that.

[1495] Maybe there was a TV show?

[1496] No, no. There was movies, man. It's like Transformers.

[1497] How many Transformers movies were there?

[1498] Three.

[1499] Well, four if you could count the cartoon.

[1500] Three, yeah.

[1501] No, four.

[1502] You got that touch.

[1503] Isn't there a new one that's coming out or something?

[1504] What's alien?

[1505] That's the one that just came out.

[1506] That already came out.

[1507] out the marky mark one yeah that's been and gone already yeah yeah not so good wait no man you gotta bring back side of boo yeah he's crazy but he knows how to fucking sell the shit ass him robots how many transformers are there though there's there's the original one movies the new ones yeah the actual ones there's three okay all right there was one that just came out with mark waboo yeah and that's the third one how many aliens versus predators is it just two yeah two it looks like, wow.

[1508] I would have assumed there was more.

[1509] Man, I didn't even, I mean, what was alien resurrection?

[1510] That was the one, that was four.

[1511] That was they took their DNA.

[1512] Yeah, she came back.

[1513] And they cloned her.

[1514] They somehow know they got her DNA, they cloned her, and that was weird.

[1515] It's like, how's this happening?

[1516] So Gurney Weaver's just back.

[1517] And then there was the Prometheus movie, which was weird as fuck too.

[1518] I wonder if they're going to do another one.

[1519] I think so.

[1520] Oh, yeah.

[1521] Prometheus could have been, I don't know, man. it's hard like we said like the idea of putting together a movie just the idea of getting all those people together i i enjoyed prometheus i mean it wasn't the perfect sci -fi movie it wasn't as good as the original one but i enjoyed it i thought it was fun and i love the idea behind it the idea of like that's how he introduces his DNA into the uh the new virgin planet by taking some horrible poison that breaks him down and he dies falls into the water and then slowly but surely a natural course of evolution grows out of his DNA and that's how people are created that's fascinating to me i mean it was i mean i ain't never seen no shit like that so i hadn't i entertained it i enjoyed it well i think that ridley scott is brilliant and i think he's probably been thinking about this for a long time before he created this and i don't know who wrote the screenplay but i would imagine all of them have been thinking about this for a long time like if you were going to like the right way to introduce life into another planet it'd be like just get a planet doesn't have any life and you just inject some something you know some dee and if it's a body especially that breaks down that body has also got all sorts of bacteria and weird shit on it and that's going to come out when it dies and the bacteria starts eating its flesh and will they be able to transmit and go to plants or other plant matter that's on this planet does is there some primitive life that it can cling to and morph with some sort of a virus like diseases change people you know diseases can probably change all sorts of other things.

[1522] Viruses and bacteria slowly mutate and morph out of this one body that comes.

[1523] I mean, how far can a body go?

[1524] If a body rotted, if there was a planet and this planet had no biological life and you brought a body and you just threw it there, all it had is plant life, is it possible that that could somehow or another have enough fuel from eating that body and figuring out how to subside off plants that they would fit?

[1525] figure out some sort of a way to to become a viable life form on a planet is that outside the realm of possibility yeah is that stoner talk is it i mean i mean i don't know i mean how i don't think it's too i don't think it's too crazy even and then if some other dude landed on that same planet and then got sick from this bacteria that was created by the body that was left behind before then he takes it back to his planet everybody gets fucked up and they all die and then the planet where the bacteria was that bacteria has figured out how to form a civilization and has Wi -Fi and they've spread out and become people and they call themselves humans Yeah if you get too high you can think some really stupid shit And you can talk about it on a podcast Like I just did But everybody's fascinated by that subject of aliens The idea of aliens creating people Like a movie like Prometheus Yeah Because I mean like It's entertaining play with that idea you know for a minute yeah it's entertaining to think that someone's going to come visit too yeah i mean everybody loves aliens yeah i mean you even except predators if you live on they don't fuck with aliens at all if you lived on an island somewhere and you're by yourself just out there just you're sitting around maybe you got a dog you're sitting on this island you got plenty of food but you're bored as fuck just looking out waiting for someone to come just someone anyone just let me see a light someone someone I think that's kind of what's going on with us.

[1526] It's like, yeah, we have each other.

[1527] But the reality is we're on some weird round boat that's just bobbing around in the universe and we want someone to come visit us.

[1528] Well, there's just people like us.

[1529] They're like, hey, man, most of these people suck.

[1530] Can y 'all come down here and fuck with us?

[1531] Come take us where you're at and teaches your ways.

[1532] But a lot of people don't suck, right?

[1533] I think the real thing is figuring it out, how to make less people suck.

[1534] Yeah.

[1535] And figuring out how to way to accept people for things they've done wrong, too.

[1536] I just think it's love, man. I just think a lot more love.

[1537] You need that in the world.

[1538] And there's ways to do it without it being sounding so silly, you know.

[1539] It's just something that people need to do internally, you know?

[1540] Yeah.

[1541] It seems like an easy thing to say, right?

[1542] All you need is love.

[1543] Yeah.

[1544] But it's like, you know what?

[1545] Like, to be hopeful is a good thing.

[1546] you know it's super valuable it's everything if you're not hopeful you got nothing you know I mean just your attitude determines your your success and a lot of your endeavors in life your attitude like your approach that you take to it oh yeah it's whether or not Sam harris fucked me up man I had this dude Sam harris on the podcast and he was talking about determinism and it's the idea that no one has free will and that basically everything about your personality has been formed by your interactions with your life experiences your DNA your genetics your your your neighborhood that you grew up in and that that's just no matter what you do inescapable and that there is no free will like every decision you make is based on all the shit that's happened your fate yeah yeah well it's not even that your fate destiny i mean it's sort of been determined by your past experiences and your you're the chemical interactions with those past experiences and that you're on a path and that that path is like almost undeniable yeah which is a it's a weird sort of a semantic argument too it's because man what's going on when you just side did not do coke anymore what's going on when you decide you know what that's it i'm not smoking anymore what what is going on because part of me wants to say hey scott did some powerful shit he stepped up and he uses willpower and he uses intelligence to realize he was on a bad path and that's an admirable thing to talk about because it inspires people who might be on a bad path themselves to kind of like catch your your momentum and you know and gives them confidence And it gives them confidence hearing you today with your shit together all cool as fuck and think about you being, you know, this guy who was doing coke all the time and didn't like it.

[1547] That's, um, I feel like there's got to be something there that made you do that.

[1548] I mean, this idea of pure determinism is really fascinating and I get it.

[1549] I totally get it.

[1550] I just, I wonder how much of personal choice is just what it, what is the force that makes a person decide to do the right thing.

[1551] well I think it goes back to you know what we were talking about before you know you know if you kind of start from one place where you know you got to make your own way it just kind of makes it a little bit you know it just you savor it a little bit more and it means more when you get it you know because you had to really work and achieve something you know but my whole thing is when I was a kid I was immediately looked at as someone who wasn't going to amount to shit.

[1552] So like, you know, like, you know, it's just like, start to talk about start from the bottom.

[1553] That's the bottom.

[1554] When motherfuckers look at you as a human being and be like, oh, he's not going to amount to anything.

[1555] And you know that's what teachers.

[1556] You know that's what your peers.

[1557] You know, that's what certain people in the neighborhood may think of you.

[1558] You know, because of whatever, whatever reason, whatever.

[1559] You know what I'm saying?

[1560] Off just you just being in a certain environment, you know?

[1561] So you already have that.

[1562] against you right and then you you don't want to conform you don't want to be a statistic you know and that's kind of like what my thing was you know i just didn't want to be another nigga out here lost and shit and do you know what i and that was that was that was what i made that choice at that time you know and and i knew that me making that choice would help other people see that they can make the choice because i was also inspired by you know some people that were in my space that weren't falling into the other shit it might have been like one of my homies that was like you know in the sports and like you know got good grades and played sports and wasn't caught up and some shit and I was like man this dude got some goals here you know I might not be in the sports but this dude right here has some type of goal because he don't want to turn up like this because we got that option too you know so it's like it was just a lot of things I was able to list like and I was the youngest of four so you know I was able to just kind of be young and look at my older siblings and kind of like learn what not to do.

[1563] And that's kind of why I use that whole like, I'm your big brother phrase in my music because I feel like, you know, even the mistakes I've made, that's what a big brother is supposed to do.

[1564] Like, I'm supposed to make some mistakes so you can learn, you know, and then those kids will learn and then they'll make their own mistakes and then there'll be a bunch of other kids that'll learn, you know.

[1565] It's like a system, you know.

[1566] And I kind of like, you know, I like that.

[1567] I'm that person.

[1568] You know, I like to take that, that whole big brother thing to that, you know, to the full extent into the music.

[1569] But I really believe that I had the odds against me in such a way.

[1570] And I also just felt like everybody thought I was a loser from day one.

[1571] I was tired of feeling like that.

[1572] I was tired of people looking at me in that way.

[1573] And I wanted to finally find whatever it was that was my own, my calling to prove that, you know, because I tried everything else.

[1574] Do you think that in some ways, like coming from a troubled background is like almost a gift because it gives you that burning fire?

[1575] Or do you think it's like a double -edged sword because it gives you that gift, but it also gives you like this hole that sometimes is difficult to keep filled?

[1576] Do you know what I don't know.

[1577] I see what you're saying, but it's hard to say because everybody's circumstance is different.

[1578] Of course.

[1579] You know, like it could be somebody who came from money that still got the same, like, you know, DNA and teachings that my mind.

[1580] mom gave me because they just had really good parents except they came for money like it don't really matter you know what I'm saying and it could still be drugs in the suburbs and it could still be all these things that one could get caught up with in in the suburbs for sure you know anywhere else so like I it's hard to say you know I just had and this is another thing I was talking to somebody about you know because um you know I was raised when I think of strength I think of a woman I was raised by my mom you know and that is something that i you know she's someone i always will look up to how she just sacrificed everything and took care of us you know on a teacher's salary and that for me it's like i got that role model like somebody who like could have just been like damn i got four kids i need to be chasing a man and trying to find some man to come take care of us it was more like you know i got married it didn't work out no i just need to figure it out for my kids you know like I just have that, you know, and I just kind of always looked up to my mom in that way and, you know, I wanted to, I didn't, I didn't want to be a failure to her.

[1581] I wanted to, you know, show her that I could be great and be as strong as she was.

[1582] And, you know, that's beautiful, man. That's really a beautiful thing to say.

[1583] Yeah.

[1584] That's a cool story, man. I love that.

[1585] Yeah, I, I just feel like there's a certain amount of energy that people get from wanting to prove, other folks wrong.

[1586] Yeah, no, for sure, for sure.

[1587] And it can, it can help you in some ways.

[1588] It can certainly help you.

[1589] But I think sometimes even like, when you're talking about the benefits you had a cocaine, like there was benefits to it.

[1590] It's like you could say things and do things that you ordinarily wouldn't be able to do.

[1591] Yeah.

[1592] Well, this, there's the motivation of like proven people wrong.

[1593] You know, I'll show you, you know, you said I wasn't going to be shit.

[1594] I'll show you.

[1595] Like you get to a certain point in time, that could kind of play against you too, right?

[1596] Yes, it could backfire because then it becomes for me it becomes like and I definitely did my last not the album I did my album before last with that an angry I'll show you spiteful like villainous energy right you know and I was able to make some really great records but it was the most aggressive music I had ever made right and um some of it was the most aggressive on a lot of levels not even in the mean way but just like you know just the music except And I benefited the, you know, what I set out to do, you know, it all benefited, you know, but I didn't, it wasn't the normal way I went out about making an album.

[1597] So it was weird, you know, and it was something that I took a step backward afterwards and then dropped the second album.

[1598] I'm like, all right, this one's not so, I don't really feel like I'm, like, going, you know, up against the masses.

[1599] Like, I really have something to prove here.

[1600] This is more just, like, about, like, just being at some type of peace, you know, and just having things sorted out once all the madness is all done.

[1601] And it's kind of just, like, now it's just, like, right, you know?

[1602] And that's why I did Indicud and then the satellite flight, you know, because I feel like Indicud was me just figuring out how to produce, you know, and make records.

[1603] And then satellite flight was me having it mastered and finally putting together something that was just, like, fine -tuned, you know?

[1604] but in a different structure where I have like some instrumentals and then you know with you know they're kind of like interludes and then you know records that were just completely you know formatted in different ways maybe not the three verse two hook formula maybe just one long verse and one outro and you know maybe no hook at all maybe no drums for the first minute and 30 seconds but there's like raps you know just experimenting and trying things you know not that I had that expertise with creating a record you know did you ever um listen to the brand new heavies i know some records yeah the brand new heavies did this rap thing where they're god i was trying to remember the name of it um there's a but it was it's along those lines like very experimental and this is like back in like the early 90s yeah they did like kooji rap did one of them and it did it like to like some like actual music behind it like It was pretty interesting stuff, but I remember that, and I remember thinking, like, man, like, why don't more people do, like, weird shit with music?

[1605] Like, how many people are thinking the way you're thinking, like, saying, like, okay, how about we just do no drums for, like, the first minute and a half, and then just start rapping, and then the drums kick it?

[1606] Like, these kind of things where you're just, like, coming up with, like, just a different approach, a slightly different entry.

[1607] I think people are just a little scared that they'll lose the audience's attention, which is the very, real fear it's like I get it you know but it also goes back to what I was saying like I've just been blessed with a family stat like you know it's into what I'm doing no matter what you know and that's that's just dope you know but the average artists no they can't just experiment and there's a fear where they might not sell records and then that's bad for business and this is a business you know so you know it's understood while most guys don't really do it you know I would like see people do it.

[1608] I feel like that's not an excuse.

[1609] I feel like there's a way where people can be a little bit more creative and push the envelope a lot more with the music, where it fits in a way that makes sense and it's true to their art and their formula.

[1610] I feel like, yeah, there's always a way to try something new and be innovative and bring something different to the table.

[1611] If anybody wants to check out that brand new heavies that I was talking about, it's called heavy rhyme experience.

[1612] And it was the brand new heavies.

[1613] It was 92 way back in the day when I was living in New York.

[1614] And my friend, God damn it, trying to remember his name.

[1615] Stand -up comedian told me about him.

[1616] He goes, you got to listen to this shit.

[1617] These guys are doing some weird stuff.

[1618] They did a duo with Cool G. Rap.

[1619] They did one of them with a gang star.

[1620] It was pretty badass.

[1621] That a bunch of different collaborations.

[1622] So like jazz singers with like rap.

[1623] like serious like best of the class back then hardcore rappers rapping over their uh their rhyme or their music it's pretty cool oh wow yeah um but your your point about having the fan base that allows you to fuck around and practice and take chances that is huge isn't it like this the ability that you know they they like you as a person as well as like your music so and they want they want to see where you go with it yeah you're always going to do your best well they know it comes from a pure place too I'm not like trying to make a top 10 single they know I'm just trying to make some cool shit that they can connect with and that's the extent every time it doesn't go beyond that and the minute it tries to it just starts to get frustrating like start thinking about a radio record to please somebody at the label then it gets frustrating if I start to think about this and that for this it gets frustrating if I keep it just based on like hey man this sounds gnarly and let's make sure we it's not too trippy and this make sure it's not too this and not do that, but an effortless combination of everything all at once, you know.

[1624] And that's really what these past couple years for me have been like just mastering that technique as a producer.

[1625] And, you know, really, really just going all out creatively and just trying new things because I also internally don't feel like I have anything else to prove as a musician.

[1626] But I have that itch.

[1627] You know, like I need to create.

[1628] Right.

[1629] I feel like that's, it's like working out for me. It's like doing reps and staying mentally fit, creatively fit, you know.

[1630] So when it comes time to do an album, I've got some new powers I've acquired in the past year.

[1631] Just like, you know, from just dicking around in the studio for a couple months just going every day making beats.

[1632] Whether I'm in the studio for five hours or two hours, I'm making something.

[1633] I'm making at least, like, on average, I make about, like in the studio, I'm making at least two to four beats a day.

[1634] And when I say beats, I'm talking about completed, sequenced instrumentals that I could make records on.

[1635] So, like, not just some shit I started a little bit, and then it's kind of cool, and I'll get back to it later.

[1636] I have probably like a baker's dozen of those in one session.

[1637] But they'll have, like, four that are officially like, oh, these jams are dope.

[1638] I'm going to sit and live with these and see what comes up.

[1639] So when you sit down to write music, do you sit down and do you have an idea in your head or do you just let it come to you while you're there?

[1640] Like, how do you know how to start?

[1641] It comes different every time.

[1642] It doesn't, it depends.

[1643] It could be a baseline that I'm thinking of that inspires me, or it could be me not have anything in my mind and just going through the sounds.

[1644] Or it could be like, you know, a rhythm I heard or, you know, anything.

[1645] It could be a movie I'm watching.

[1646] I like to, you know, produce while I'm watching movies with the sound off.

[1647] And that kind of helps me with scoring, you know, when I get into scoring and I'm, you know, doing that.

[1648] That's my next step.

[1649] You know, I want to get more into scoring movies and sound design.

[1650] But it's all, for me, it's all just experimentation and just seeing what happens.

[1651] and you know it's not any pressure and when you hear a beat like when you're making a beat and you're creating it do you hear in lyrics are you hearing are you thinking about yeah yeah i'm hearing i mean here's you know when i when i'm hearing something i hear it completed right so when i'm starting a record and i feel like i got some of my i this song i'm like i feel like and it's back to what you were talking about because you know i feel like you know time doesn't really exist so an hour from now is happening right now, right?

[1652] So there's songs that are created that I haven't made yet.

[1653] So when I'm in the studio, I feel like I have this small like peek into this other world and this window that I can hear the song, but it's my job in the present to find the pieces to make it so.

[1654] And sometimes it might come out exactly like what I'm hearing and sometimes it might not, but it's never, it's never really spot on.

[1655] You know, I just hear glimmers of what the song completed sounds like until it's completed and then it's just everything's perfect but that's how I can sit there and listen to a mix and be like something's off because in my completed version you know it's like a coloring book every record starts off in one way just blank and I'm just filling in all the colors and then there's one color still missing you know that's what's happening in the final in the ninth inning you know when we're mixing the album I'm like there's still some colors that just not in there yet and then I'm going through sounds and I find the colors and everything's full and I'm cool or I might not find the exact color but some close enough I'm fine and like that's That's literally where it's at where you have to make the executive decision like, all right, I'm done with this.

[1656] So I'll be sitting for another two weeks trying to sit with this mix because I'm really anal about it.

[1657] And if I don't just back away and let it be, you know, we'll never hear any music.

[1658] That's a fascinating insight into the creation of music.

[1659] I don't know anybody that does that, like, well, or they could tell me about the entire process from the beginning to end.

[1660] So it's interesting to get a window into that world because I always wondered, and I also always wondered, like, I know Jay -Z never writes his lyrics down.

[1661] He keeps them all in his head.

[1662] Do you do that, or do you actually write them down somewhere?

[1663] Nah.

[1664] Sometimes I mean, a lot of my hooks are in my head, but I need to write, you know, certain things down to just kind of make sure I'm making sense.

[1665] I used to do a lot of my earlier stuff just off the dome, just freestyle and shit, you know, and sometimes that works good with melodies.

[1666] I do that a lot.

[1667] I'll go in there and just humm flows and try different things like that and melodies.

[1668] but it's really just a combination it's never just like you know always like writing off the dome like some ballots I write completely off the dome you know I don't need kind of paper for a ballot but like if there's something like I like that term off the dome yeah that's a great term I'm going to use that from now on whenever there's a joke that I have that's not written down anywhere it's going to be off the dome yeah that was and I feel like that it kind of like you know gets people to understand that this is some you know this the spontaneous of it you know um is that some a turn that rappers use all the time or is that your term off the dome is that yours oh i can't let's say it's yours i like to say it's yours okay i just say i know the guy came up that shit off the dome it's a very popular phrase amongst the youngsters now but it all came out of kid going i'll take it take it i'll start spreading that room so you're you're essentially you're open i mean whatever which way ever comes you just show up you show up and you put in the work you you put in the work creating the beats, you put in the work coming up with lyrics, whatever way it comes up, whether it comes up all in your head or whether it comes up writing it down on paper.

[1669] And the sessions are really me and my engineer Ian and occasionally I have my brother from another mother, Dr. Genius, coming through who, you know, was in a band that I came up with a couple years ago that, you know, we kind of just put together because we wanted to try something outside of the world we were already making music in.

[1670] You know, the sessions are really small.

[1671] It's not like I got 20 dudes in there Right They're kind of sad sessions They're really sad They're probably not sad at all Well I always wondered I mean one could be in Feel bad for me like Oh he's got nobody in the studio FM But then like But then like you know Like I'm in there like a mad scientist Like you know I'm inventing It's not like you know An inventor don't get 20 motherfuckers In his lab Why he inventing shit Niggas is steal his shit Or they'll you know Rack Focus and you know distract him You gotta find that when you have your friends in the studio you got you know a couple guys on world star couple guys on twitter a couple guys over here and everybody's talking about what's going on over here and what's going on here you're trying to write this song you get distracted you like what happened oh hell no that's funny funny next to you know it's two hours ago and by you're still working on this record you had some laughs but what you came to the studio for is not done yet right you know and there's money being spent there's time time is of the essence this is what we hustled and worked hard for you know and i have to i had to remind myself it's like man this is turned into a fucking party like we're here for work so also have this like really gnarly work ethic like because i've been working since i was 15 like my first job was wendy's i i remember why i wanted to work it was because i wanted my own shit i was tired asking my mom for stuff and also didn't think it was fair you know to ask my mom for stuff because i know we didn't have much so you know i just had work for me is always like one of those things that's very important yeah but like there was also some jobs that i didn't fucking take serious like American Apparel, you know, where I was, like, coming in late and I didn't give a shit.

[1672] And then, like, when my boss fired me, like, he took me to, like, this office and kind of told me and when he said, he's like, I'm going to have to let you and I was like, yeah, I figured that, yeah.

[1673] You knew it, because I didn't give a fuck.

[1674] You know, it was like, now I can go to the studio.

[1675] Well, it's probably good for you, too.

[1676] And, like, work on my craft, and then maybe find a better paying job, you know, that doesn't have me in the fucking basement of some building, you know, sweating my ass out, full and clothes.

[1677] Everybody says you should always do your bastard at every job you do.

[1678] A champion in life is a champion in everything they do.

[1679] So if you're going to mop floors, do your best at mop the fuck out of those floors.

[1680] That's great on paper.

[1681] But the reality is when you're a young man, sometimes it's good to fuck off at something so you know you don't ever want to do that again.

[1682] They fire you and then you learn.

[1683] And there's some value in that.

[1684] It's unfortunate, but we don't all learn the best way.

[1685] Sometimes we've got to get fired from American apparel.

[1686] Yeah.

[1687] At least I didn't get fired for like stealing something.

[1688] I got fired for being a shitty landscaper kept scalping people's lawns Yeah, that's fuck that would fuck somebody's emotions That would hurt my feelings If somebody just, if that was like The word around town that I've been, you know, my main bread and butter I've been doing Investing my life in that I was just shitty at Yeah, I wasn't invested At being a landmark, landlord boy Landscaper Yeah, no, I know what you're saying, man It's a there's a completely different thing When you're creating your own stuff When you're working for yourself then it's like a focus like an obsession almost type focus like the laser beam i love that term the lab too that's one of my favorite terms yeah the rap world they love talking about being the lab creating material you are like an inventor yeah scientists you know and it's it's kind of like i treat it in every sense of the word and every sense of that that that that that term i guess you know lab it's like where i'm working it's work and i and i almost don't like playing around in the studio like that because it is a place for work.

[1689] It is an office, you know?

[1690] Especially if you're trying to write.

[1691] If you're trying to write things there too as well, you're trying to write lyrics and dudes are all jumping around.

[1692] But not even that.

[1693] What if I'm not?

[1694] Even just me sitting there and I might not have an idea yet.

[1695] Even if I might just need silence.

[1696] Right, right, right.

[1697] I might just need fucking silence for a little bit.

[1698] Yeah, I don't, I've never been to any sort of a recording studio where anybody was doing anything like serious like that.

[1699] But I would imagine it's very difficult to avoid the party.

[1700] It's like, hey, we're in studio and guys come to visit you.

[1701] Come on by, come to visit.

[1702] We did that.

[1703] So it's like, I did that.

[1704] Like, now I was, I've been doing that's like the music videos.

[1705] Since like 22, 23 going to studios and having those moments with the buddies.

[1706] Because in the beginning, it's like, you want your boys around.

[1707] So I kind of got that out of my system.

[1708] And now it's like, all right, 30 year old Scott goes to studio by himself.

[1709] He's got his book bag.

[1710] He's in there for maybe five, six hours, and then he goes home.

[1711] That's smart.

[1712] You know what I'm saying?

[1713] And then he's And this is a Friday night.

[1714] You know, and I'm like in, I'm in bed by like 11, 11 .30.

[1715] Capow!

[1716] Fucks that, right, live.

[1717] That's beautiful.

[1718] Yeah, yeah.

[1719] Yeah, no, man, that's how you get shit done.

[1720] That is how you get shit done.

[1721] I'm just psycho with it, man. Those music videos, though, when they show the recording studio, it's always a giant table.

[1722] There's, like, all those little switches that nobody understands.

[1723] Maybe you do.

[1724] Yeah, it makes them board.

[1725] Everybody's standing in front of all the switches.

[1726] And then everybody's partying.

[1727] Everybody's in the background, having a good time.

[1728] But that could also be when the album's done.

[1729] and they're celebrating it because that's what also happens like when I'm done with let's say let's I finish maybe eight songs and I feel like I've got the album like and I just need maybe a couple more jams you start inviting people to come here what you got and get their opinions so you have those moments too so you might see that happen but there's a year and a half of just studio by myself before that happens you know like I don't really and maybe a case I have one or two friends you know maybe some one of my director friends or my fellow actors who I just kind of want who have never really got a chance to be in the studio come by and just see get the experience but they're not in there distracting me. They're just watching and paying attention and want to just be a fly on the wall and see how it works.

[1730] Yeah well a lot of people are really curious about it because it's almost sort of a mysterious type of creativity if people aren't involved in it especially the creating of music is such a cultural it's such a cultural influence.

[1731] So it's such a powerful influence like music has it inspires people like when you listen into music at the gym it can make you work out better like you put your headphones on and you play some awesome songs you don't give a fuck that you're on some stupid stare machine like a hamster you just keep going yeah and the music you like the music so much you get into it and it's only it's in your head drowning out everything else sometimes you don't even realize how heavy you're breathing until you know you take the earplugs out you're like holy shit I'm getting it in work in here It's because nothing else, like, hits you like that.

[1732] Like, people's words, they don't sustain that way.

[1733] You can't, like, read an incredibly passionate essay, and it sustains you through a workout like that.

[1734] No, it's like, it needs to be just something that, like, there's nothing like music in that respect.

[1735] It has an impact that very few things do.

[1736] So that process of creating it is always fascinating and mysterious to people like me that don't have any musical talent at all.

[1737] Yeah.

[1738] I mean, I just approach it in a different way because I'm just, I do feel like I'm just, every time I'm in the studio, it's just like me just, you know, trying to create the uncreated.

[1739] And it's a very private thing sometimes, you know, I want to, I want to be able to, you know, have my privacy when I do that.

[1740] Right, right.

[1741] Yeah, no, I totally, do you do all your writing and everything in the studio or do you sometimes sit, at home oh it comes whenever man right i'll be in the shower do you i be in a shower i'm thinking of some shit you know do you ever use that uh note app on the phone on your phone where you talk into it um i'm recording memos yeah a lot a lot of the time not even that i mean the note app you know you can talk to it and a voice recognition no no no i just kind of see if i'm recording something it's a melody okay if i'm thinking of something i'm not like thinking of raps like those earlier days It's less about that now And it's more about like Like just Melodies and coming up with songs And structures So you want to hear the sound Yeah and then the lyrics come next Because the music is just going to tell me what to say You know Wow That's fucking wild That's so cool Now How much of your creation is done Under the influence of marijuana Man I don't smoke to create I've come up with a lot of shit Sober sometimes When I'm fresh waking up in the morning like sometimes i have the most ideas at like 8 a .m. sometimes a lot of people say that man a lot of writers like Stephen king i believe does all of his writing in the morning i think he does it like nine to noon every day yeah it's like man i'm fresh in the morning with something some melody and it usually comes just walking through the house making breakfast and you know it could be whenever dropping a deuce you know i come up with just melodies here and there and i record them all if something really catches me because if i don't record them immediately and I lose them.

[1742] So I, you know, I got to record them somehow.

[1743] But it's, it's very, um, I'm always, I'm always thinking about music.

[1744] As much as like I like to deny it and, you know, go shoot a movie and shit and, you know, I always think about music.

[1745] I'm obsessed with the idea of just making, you know, the most beautiful songs that like, you know, really make people feel some type of comfort or some type of understanding because the world is so fucked.

[1746] And, and, you know, And, you know, I just really am obsessed with that idea.

[1747] I think I'm always going to be.

[1748] And now I'm just trying different ways of doing that.

[1749] You know, we did the rap shit.

[1750] We did the rock album.

[1751] Now I'm just trying to be this weird instrumentalist, you know, and I don't really know what that's going to be.

[1752] But I'm just really, I guess, in the process, learning how to produce better too, which is something that, you know, I've been trying to, you know, I always want to be better.

[1753] so it's good to, you know, be learning and getting better as I'm creating.

[1754] Do you do any other things, like, other than music?

[1755] Do you have any other hobbies or other things that, like, you also get locked into?

[1756] I like designer sometimes.

[1757] Like, I wouldn't look at myself as, like, a fashion designer.

[1758] But, you know, if an opportunity comes around, I'll do a collab or two.

[1759] You like designing clothes?

[1760] Like, what kind of clothes?

[1761] Yeah, like, I've done about five T -shirt collaborations with Baitan Ape.

[1762] I used to work there That was my last job Before I got famous You know So like I have You know Roots back in New York And that was pretty much One of those The only job I really kept in touch with And you know That I went back to And you know Did some things for the fans So you just into creating shit Yeah it doesn't Yeah you know It really For me I'm starting to write a little bit more It's just staying creative Right like a book Or like blog entries Like what I mean Like a TV show TV shows, horror movies, ideas I've had in my head for a while to start jotting them down and, you know, just everything right now is just me just expressing whatever comes to mind, you know, anything that creatively strikes me. Yeah, see, that's a dream job for people to be able to just come up with things all the time.

[1763] Just work on creating, your entire day spent mostly just constantly just concentrating on creating.

[1764] I'm not doing anything with those things yet, but it's stimulating, you know?

[1765] Yeah.

[1766] It doesn't mean that, I'm going to have some TV show tomorrow or anything.

[1767] It's just for me, it, it just, it's stimulating, you know, and shit.

[1768] Knowing me, I fuck around, I might write the next shit, you know?

[1769] Right, right.

[1770] Or definitely write something that you become interested in.

[1771] Yeah, that's something I could lead me to something else.

[1772] Yeah, who knows.

[1773] But, um.

[1774] And it probably also helps your, your creativity in the other areas as well, right?

[1775] But then on top of that, I was the king of being like, oh, I have this idea, but No, that's not for me. Or no, I couldn't do that.

[1776] Music is my thing.

[1777] No, I couldn't do that.

[1778] So now I'm like past that.

[1779] Now there's nothing.

[1780] If it pops into my mind, then I can fucking do it because I thought about it for a reason.

[1781] So now it's just about finding time for certain projects and I'm not in no rush.

[1782] So you're not worried about being pigeonhole, you're saying?

[1783] No, I think I've done enough strong arming and let me get, you know, my space as an artist where I can kind of do whatever I want now at this point.

[1784] So you reached out to me on Twitter.

[1785] to be good though like that don't get me wrong like i'm always feeling like i'm vulnerable to make some bullshit you know like i don't feel like i'm invincible like and i think a lot of artists do get to that point when they feel invincible like i am very capable of making some weak shit it's just y 'all motherfuckers don't hear it you know and that's because i'm sitting there making sure that there's not weak shit the scrapping the ones that are and and working on the ones that started off weak but you know making sure that they were where they needed to be before you heard it um do you have there are they like you got to know when to abandon them oh yeah you all know when to abandon some shit immediately in certain feelings you get you know when some shit is the right one and when it's not there's got there's jokes like that too it's very similar yeah it's very similar some of them you just got to let go yeah and you can't and for songs it's it's much more emotional to let go some shit that you like because it might be on the right track to being something gnarly like you put it on shelf maybe like say you always revisit it yeah i go back every year i go back and listen to the shit that i made a year How do you categorize them?

[1786] Do you make notes or do you just...

[1787] No, they're all numbered.

[1788] You just numbered.

[1789] You just say you go back and you go, okay, this is from 2013.

[1790] Then we just listen to what I was doing.

[1791] Yeah, my engineer, I'll just tell them, pull up everything.

[1792] We'll just listen to things one by one flag, the ones that are good.

[1793] And there are ones that, you know, because that's the thing.

[1794] You always got to give yourself a break, and it's always good to listen to stuff with fresh years.

[1795] I find, yeah.

[1796] And also, to just give your brain a break, because for me, I'm sitting in the, in the studio for hours listening to the same old shit like the same old beat that you're working on you know so it's kind of like you need to back off a second like I like to you know work on a record bounce them whatever you know bounce them means kind of compressing all those sounds to one track to make that mp3 you know that's what you bounce down the file that's what you guys get on your iPods is a bounce down file of all the files um so I'll bounce down everything every one of the ones that I feel like were close to being finished are reasonable enough for me to listen to and write to.

[1797] And I won't listen to him that night.

[1798] I'll wake up the next day and while I'm making breakfast I might listen to him then with fresh ears.

[1799] And I'm like, oh, this is dope.

[1800] Because the night before, I'm just like, this shit sucks.

[1801] I don't know.

[1802] I'll listen to it tomorrow.

[1803] You know, because I've been in the studio for hours.

[1804] You're too close to it.

[1805] I'm by myself and I don't have nobody to tell me like, yo, that shit is fresh.

[1806] It's just like me and my own.

[1807] expertise and just like right now i think this is all shit but i'll bounce it down and i'll listen to it tomorrow and see how i feel and almost every time i do that if i bounce it down it's like dope and a lot of this shit could be for someone else and not for me do you that it's it's the thing about music too it seems like when when there's a song that i really like any genre it's like i really like it i like it at first and then i start really liking it when i keep hearing it i hear it a bunch times and then as i'll hear it like the fourth or fifth time that's what i'll really get into it Yeah.

[1808] And it's interesting how music does that.

[1809] Like, there's songs that you need to hear a bunch of times.

[1810] That's why people don't like new shit.

[1811] Like, if the Rolling Stones go on tour, like, they better play those fucking classics.

[1812] Nobody wants to hear some weird shit even writing, Keith.

[1813] Yeah, yeah.

[1814] I mean, and that's what I learned.

[1815] I learned the hard way.

[1816] You know, you go out and you do Coachella, and it's like, all right, I got fucking Coachella to do.

[1817] This come with the hits.

[1818] Let's give them the joints they want to hear.

[1819] You know, I'm not going to go out in the Coachella.

[1820] And be like, all right, guys, so I know you guys know these songs as they are produced on the album, but we're doing them all acoustic tonight.

[1821] And I'm doing them all in different keys, so they won't even be formatted and how you remember them.

[1822] But I promise you, you have me tonight on this stage for at least an hour and a half.

[1823] My stroke.

[1824] And it's just the worst show ever, you know?

[1825] Yeah, when you go and do a new show, like if it's a totally new thing, do you do, are smaller clubs?

[1826] Do you fuck around with, like, rock clubs?

[1827] Nah, what were you talking about like?

[1828] Like, if you're going to work, like, the first time you're going to do a live perform.

[1829] Oh, like any of you new stuff.

[1830] New material.

[1831] Tour.

[1832] Tour.

[1833] Because the tour is like, for me, it's the fan club.

[1834] You know, I could go up there and fumble as many times I want all night.

[1835] And my fans are just like, it's all good.

[1836] This is the clubhouse.

[1837] Right, right.

[1838] You know, this is where you're supposed to fuck up, you know.

[1839] When you go and do Coachella, there's no time.

[1840] Right.

[1841] There's no time to fuck up.

[1842] Everybody's watching.

[1843] It's like the clubhouses, we dick around.

[1844] It's like, you know, when a comic goes to, like, the club he used to do stand -up at before he blew up because he knows those is his people and he could be himself there and you can try new jokes.

[1845] Right.

[1846] You know, that's the same deal.

[1847] Like, that's how I approach tour.

[1848] You know, I don't let press in unless they buy a ticket.

[1849] You want to come to my show and then fucking buy a ticket.

[1850] Because most of the time you give the press their ticket and they're writing and talking shit.

[1851] So it's like you give a motherfucker's a free pass to come see your show so they can talk shit.

[1852] It's like, no, asshole.

[1853] You want to talk shit about my show.

[1854] You're going to have to pay for it.

[1855] People feel like they can't get any attention unless they talk shit.

[1856] That's a big issue with folks.

[1857] But it's like, like, you know, whatever the case may be, I'm going to make you work hard to get in there to talk shit.

[1858] Because it is a fucking membership.

[1859] It's like the only people I want in my concert are people that really give a shit about what we're doing as artists, you know, and, you know, understand me as a human being, you know.

[1860] So let's say.

[1861] This is a very psychedelic point of view.

[1862] Yeah, I mean, because at the end of the day, like we were talking about before, it's all an experience, you know, and the show is even more so, because it's bringing the songs to life.

[1863] Like, I'm there.

[1864] It's like a play for me. It's theater.

[1865] Like, I'm out there.

[1866] I'm the showman for tonight, and I'm taking you to a place.

[1867] It's kind of like leave your worries behind.

[1868] It's like, I don't really want kids to, you know, the average hip -hop show.

[1869] It's like you see your favorite artists come out at best, perform the hits.

[1870] They're almost there, but you can't touch.

[1871] but it's just dope to know that you're in the same building with them and then that's the end of it and that's just what you take it's like man it was we were in the nosebleeds but it was really nice we was you know there tonight with that my favorite rapper or whatever this shit with me it's more therapy I'm confessing some things through song you're seeing me you know confess these things you see the emotion as I'm performing you know and then there's kids out there that are connecting with it in such a way where it's like man I already connect with this dude but he's performing it in such a way where it's like man I already connect with this dude but he's performing it in such a way where he means it even more.

[1872] He's singing it in a way where he means it even more in this environment.

[1873] You know, it's like, it's a different experience.

[1874] And I love giving people that experience.

[1875] You know, I love connecting with them in a way where, you know, everybody at that concert is paying attention and they're there because they want to experience something.

[1876] Right.

[1877] You reached out to me about people asking questions about psychedelics.

[1878] Yeah.

[1879] You fielding questions about psychedelics.

[1880] Yeah, yeah.

[1881] What was the, what was the motivation behind that?

[1882] Just, I saw a tweet from a young man, he hit me up, and he was, he just simply asked me, you know, how much he should take, some shrooms.

[1883] And I, I don't know, I was just, I just saw it.

[1884] I was like, oh, okay, I gave him a response, and I didn't think nothing of it.

[1885] But then I saw a lot of people responding, and I was like, oh, this is cool.

[1886] Other people were asking me questions, and then I was like, holy shit.

[1887] this could be bad this could be really bad but then it's like you know what the I am your big brother shit like if they're gonna do drugs and they want to know about it at least ask me come to me you know I'll give you the real shit you know if you want them to ask somebody ask me and that's kind of how I looked at it and it ended up being this thing but then I know that you talk about psychedelics and you have specifically talked about DMT because I answered the question about DMT and that's why I was like man we should talk about this with Joe you know because I know that I I mean I can't sit down with just anybody and talk about DMT even some of my friends I've told them that I've done it and they've like looked at me in a way where it's like you know it's like whoa you did DMT it's a game changer yeah yeah but that lets me know that there's people that don't understand it and they're not educated about it and so they just kind of hear these stories and uh yeah that's also why I was like man it would be dope to if we just sat down and talked about it and educate some people because I just know it's, I mean, even some people are scared of acid.

[1888] It's a scary thing.

[1889] You know, I tell people, I remember this is a true story.

[1890] I hope so.

[1891] This is kind of like one of those things.

[1892] You know, I'm not throwing this kid under the bus, but, you know, it's just a reality.

[1893] I was at Coachella.

[1894] We were backstage.

[1895] I ran in the Wiz Khalifa, you know, and I see him, you know, often.

[1896] And he was telling me he was doing shrooms or whatever and experiment with shrooms.

[1897] And I was like, oh, man, you should do acid.

[1898] And he was just like, no. And I was like, oh, man, well, you know, Schrooms is like the training wheels of fucking psychedelics and shit.

[1899] You know, it's like, he's like, oh, man, I'm not fucking with that, though.

[1900] You can just tell it.

[1901] It was just, maybe, maybe he might have known somebody had a bad trip or he heard some bad things, but like, there was like fear.

[1902] And I was just like, oh.

[1903] It's like, man, it's just people, people are kind of like taken back when you say you do ass it sometimes.

[1904] And even when I talk about it on Twitter, people would be like, Whoa, chill, you want some other shit.

[1905] And it's like, man, like, I mean, well, that's the one where people always talk about going crazy.

[1906] Yeah, but I don't, you can go crazy drinking too much.

[1907] Yeah.

[1908] So I don't really.

[1909] You never had a bad trip?

[1910] On acid, yeah, but it wasn't because of me. It was because I let some other motherfucker come in the situation that wasn't ready with his shit.

[1911] You know, you know, some people come in and try to act like they do this and don't do this.

[1912] and, you know, you have situations like that.

[1913] And so you have a bad tripped and you got dragged along.

[1914] Yeah, because you got to make sure everybody's cool and you want to, you know, help people out.

[1915] You don't want to leave nobody abandoned.

[1916] And I feel like that's the big thing with psychedelics is if you're doing it with people, no matter if you know them well or not, you don't want to really leave nobody hanging, you know, and you want to try to find a common ground because everybody tripping, you know, and it's like, you know, everybody at the end of the day, we tripping.

[1917] And it's scary because somebody just to be like, one minute.

[1918] You was trying to kill me. What?

[1919] No. It's not what you think.

[1920] You know?

[1921] Right, right, right.

[1922] I've never had no shit like that.

[1923] And I'm pretty sure people have dealt with that, though.

[1924] You know?

[1925] Well, that's the thing about acid is always the horror stories.

[1926] Like, we were talking about Pink Floyd.

[1927] Like the dude from Pink Floyd, which one of those guys went fucking crazy from acid?

[1928] What the fuck's his name?

[1929] Jim.

[1930] Jim, you don't know?

[1931] Yeah, one of the dudes from Pink Floyd went fucking crazy.

[1932] That's what Shine on You Crazy Diamond was about him.

[1933] that song was about him going fucking crazy from doing too much asset hold on shine on you crazy diamond I know part of the information I don't want to quote like I know it all yeah in Wikipedia he's the man yeah it was written okay shine on you crazy diamond is a nine part pink Floyd nine part pink Floyd composition written by Roger Waters Richard Wright and David Gilmore and it's a tribute to former band member Sid Barrett Sid Barrett was the one who went bananas Allegedly, allegedly, allegedly.

[1934] But that album cover, too, is just so fucking sick, too.

[1935] He's shaking his hand, and dudes on fire.

[1936] Yeah.

[1937] So fucking gnarly.

[1938] For real.

[1939] Yeah.

[1940] He, apparently, I don't know if that's true, the whole LSD thing, but through the, it says, this is the Wikipedia, it says throughout late 1960, for Barrett, for Sid Barrett, throughout late 1967 and the early 1968, Barrett's behavior became increasingly erratic and unpredictable, partly as a consequence of his reported heavy use of psychedelic drugs most prominently LSD.

[1941] Many reports described him on stage strumming one chord through the entire concert or not playing at all.

[1942] At a show at the Fillmore in San Francisco, during a performance of interstellar overdrive, Barrett slowly detuned his guitar.

[1943] The audience seemed to enjoy such antics unaware of the rest of the band's consternation interviewed on the Pat Boone show during the tour, replied to Boone's question was blank and totally mute stare according to Nick Mason Sid wasn't into moving his lips that day so he was just he was just going he was just going he's my hero he went out there for whatever reason I mean I don't he's my hero yeah he might have lost his shit who knows or he might have just got tired yeah he was like fuck this probably yeah probably on assid all the time and just couldn't realize he was quitting pink Floyd for acid He met that new girl and she was just still He was still in that old relationship Yeah, well we were talking about cigarettes earlier and in the world where cigarettes are legal and they kill half a million people in this country alone every year It's preposterous to think that we're too much of a group of fucking babies to deal with psychedelics We need like centers We need centers we have educated people with you know like degrees who understand the human body, doctors who can administrate it, people can take care of people and have them in these really comfortable environments where people go and they have the possibility in a professional setting of experiencing these things.

[1944] And that should be a part of normal human culture because you've benefited from it, I've benefited from it.

[1945] Brian is kind of benefited from it.

[1946] It's debatable as he holds up his cigarettes.

[1947] Camels.

[1948] Smokes camels.

[1949] Camelettes.

[1950] Silly bitch.

[1951] So silly.

[1952] Do you think you get hypnotized?

[1953] I don't think hypnotize or I don't think I can get hypnotized now.

[1954] Too smart?

[1955] Yeah, I think I would just think about it the whole time, overthink about all right, this guy's trying to hypnotize me right now.

[1956] I can hear his voice.

[1957] All right.

[1958] I don't know.

[1959] I think you could do it, though.

[1960] They say ayahuasca is one of the best ways to quit.

[1961] Ayahuasca is supposed to be like a really good way to quit smoking.

[1962] Quit anything if you want to.

[1963] Because you wake up and I'm alive, thank God.

[1964] But you go through it, you go through the journey, and it's just so self -examatory.

[1965] Even the regular DMT trips I've had, they're intensely self -examatory.

[1966] Yeah.

[1967] Like the insight that you have and do your own life and your own world, your own mind, it's scary.

[1968] It's awesome.

[1969] It's so clear.

[1970] The clarity is so bizarre.

[1971] Yeah, it freaked me out, man. I'm not going to lie.

[1972] And I've done my fair share of asset.

[1973] You know, I'm big on psychedelic.

[1974] and...

[1975] TMT, some next level shit.

[1976] Yeah, but I've had nothing like this and you try to explain it and you can't because there's nothing you can't find the words to explain sometimes what you see.

[1977] You know, and you're a little bit more educated about it than I am.

[1978] You could probably find the words, you know.

[1979] Like sometimes you fucking talk like a scientist and shit.

[1980] I'm like following like, but you know.

[1981] It's bullshitting, trust me. But, you know, at the same time like for people that might not be educated.

[1982] It's still hard for me to, you know, put in the words what I saw.

[1983] But, you know, the reality is, is what you're seeing is everything literally melt down and reconstruct and reconstruct around you.

[1984] And your eyes are wide open.

[1985] And it literally for me, that was the only thing that freaked me out.

[1986] The fact that my eyes weren't closed, but my environment was completely altered immediately almost before I could even exhale all the smoke before I was even leaning back on my couch I mean the room rearranged itself and became something else and I felt happy Graham Hancock is a very fascinating way of looking at it and what he thinks the way he described to me I never heard anybody describe it this way before but it made total sense he said everyone says you're taking drugs and it's distorting your perception of reality and that's what you're saying he goes that is a possibility another possibility is that like a telescope needs to be tuned in to see a far off star that what you're doing by taking this chemical that your brain already makes yeah you're tuning into something that's ordinarily impossible for you to see and that there is this dimension that is around you all the time all the time it is filled with intelligent entities and he said we must consider that that is also a possibility and that is a fascinating way of looking at it because we really don't know what's happening and the people that aren't blown away by it are just the people who haven't done it if you've done it and you're not blown away by it I don't understand you yeah if I maybe you there's also supposedly some people who don't have a reaction to DMT there's a small percentage of people that try it where nothing happens I've tried I went two separate um occasions where I first time it didn't work for me and then the second time it did was the first time bad stuff I think the first time we didn't administer it right and then the second time it was done right you know second time it was like second time it's like because also I hit it extra hard because I was like I ain't no mistake it's gonna work this time so I had this really like I'm man man you know what's she was crazy my story is the same as yours almost it's it's slightly different in that I did it.

[1987] The first time I did it, it was pretty fucking profound.

[1988] Intensely profound.

[1989] And I thought I'd hit the center of the universe.

[1990] I thought I'd...

[1991] And then the second time I did it, I blew way past that spot to some complete new place where there was no avoiding it and no denying it.

[1992] And I went, oh, this is it.

[1993] And then that's the spot I've been kind of going to pretty much every time since then.

[1994] Yeah.

[1995] But the first time was unbelievably profound, way more profound than anything else.

[1996] And I didn't really even get all the way through right me i didn't i haven't been through yet like that world that you're talking about like i haven't went there like i couldn't even get out of whatever was happening in that room in my house because it was i don't know if i was keep your eyes open i i i for the most most part my eyes were wide open because i was so intrigued that like yeah i was just like you're seeing a bunch of shit around you yeah but then when i closed my eyes and i got over that then i was a whole other And that was this tunnel -like thing And then it was dark It was more some evil shit Happened in there It didn't freak me out too much But you know Because I know Like that's another thing People like As long as you If you see some shit That might freak you out Just remember you are on drugs You know Like You took some shit You know Or you're seeing demons for real Yeah but they can't harm you You know Just sit your ass still Don't fucking move And you know You'll come back Hopefully Hopefully Hopefully Hopefully But this was more just like Just some Some weird shit happened and I didn't go down that rabbit hole too far I was just kind of open my eyes back open and just kind of still shit was weird but I kid you not Joe as soon as I was kind of like oh my I'm over this then I came back and it was kind of like I could describe as like an overlapping a little bit of that world in reality still a little haze of it where it was shades of the other world it was almost like I saw a face in the corner in my room just kind of dip back off into the walls.

[1997] Yeah.

[1998] I saw like these kind of like spidery things kind of coming out my Grammy and onto the ground.

[1999] But that's the thing though.

[2000] At this point my room was back to it being a room.

[2001] You know what I'm saying?

[2002] Like I was back to reality but it was like this this you know the world was still like the echo from where I was at was still kind of in the room you know and it wasn't worn off yet yeah well you next time you do it don't do it that way next time you do it just keep your eyes closed and let it go away so don't keep my eyes open no I don't think so dude the keeping the eyes open part is uh probably fucking with you oh man I was yeah they say the best way to do it is in a really comfortable place I mean I loved it though it wasn't that still positive yeah but I didn't go to I didn't go to that world that you did you say you're going to because my eyes were open It was really just, I was just so untrary.

[2003] I wanted to paint.

[2004] It must have been crazy.

[2005] When I got done, I wanted to paint everything I saw because I just had never seen that like that.

[2006] And I never want to paint, dude.

[2007] Have you ever seen Alex Gray's paintings?

[2008] Yes.

[2009] Yeah.

[2010] And that's the thing.

[2011] But I don't know if my shit was going to be like that because I didn't go to that world.

[2012] Right, right, right.

[2013] Whatever you went to would be different than this world.

[2014] But like, you know how you were saying like, or some of those paintings are just like some guy and there's like all this energy around it and saw these colors.

[2015] I didn't see that.

[2016] I didn't get there yet.

[2017] You probably, yeah.

[2018] Well, most people don't get enough.

[2019] You know, like I said, my first experience, I thought it was pretty fucking amazing.

[2020] And it still wasn't nothing like the second one.

[2021] The second one, I was like, oh, I get it.

[2022] Boy, that was ridiculous.

[2023] I thought I was already there because what I had seen was still so much different than reality.

[2024] I was like, wow, this is the craziest thing ever.

[2025] But it was not even close to the actual craziest thing ever.

[2026] So you close your eyes every time.

[2027] Yeah, yeah.

[2028] You never keep your eyes.

[2029] I have opened my eyes before.

[2030] And what happened?

[2031] Just you see patterns everywhere.

[2032] it's like it's you too much I think there's a conflict of information there's the information you're getting from your eyeballs there's two different trips yeah and then there's what's going on to your imagination or your mind whatever the imagination is not even to imply that it's not real or it's not a real experience the imagine the term the imagination is a lot of like negative connotations to it but whatever it's going on when you got your eyes closed you're not there's no physical objects in front of you you're seeing all this stuff happening in your in your visual field with your eyes closed but you're not You know, there's nothing you reach out and grab.

[2033] So that's why I'm saying imagination.

[2034] But whatever you're doing when you're doing that is real.

[2035] I don't know what it is.

[2036] I don't know what the fuck is happening.

[2037] Yeah.

[2038] But it's real.

[2039] Yeah.

[2040] Dude, we're out of time.

[2041] Oh, man. It's over.

[2042] We did three hours.

[2043] This is awesome.

[2044] Thank you, man. This is awesome.

[2045] Really appreciate it.

[2046] And I think it was cool for people to get a unique insight into your creative process.

[2047] It was really powerful.

[2048] All the shit that you shared about your personal life and the Coke and everything.

[2049] That was amazing, man. Thank you, man. Thank you very much.

[2050] Anytime.

[2051] And, uh, ladies and gentlemen.

[2052] And that's the end, you dirty fucks.

[2053] So we will see you very soon.

[2054] Many more podcasts this week.

[2055] And until then, go fuck yourselves.

[2056] I love you guys.

[2057] Much love to everybody.

[2058] Big kiss.

[2059] M -mom -w -w -w -w -w -w -w -w -w -w -w.

[2060] That was awesome.

[2061] We definitely...