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[0] This is exactly right.
[1] Hey, this is exciting.
[2] An all -new season of only murders in the building is coming to Hulu on August 27th.
[3] Steve Martin, Martin Short, and Selena Gomez are back as your favorite podcaster, detectives.
[4] But there's a mystery hanging over everyone.
[5] Who killed Saz?
[6] And were they really after Charles?
[7] Why would someone want to kill Charles?
[8] This season, murder hits close to home.
[9] With a threat against one of their own, the stakes are higher than ever.
[10] Plus, the gang is going to Hollywood to turn their podcast into a major movie.
[11] Amid the glitz and glamour of Los Angeles, more mysteries and twists arise.
[12] Who knows what will happen once the cameras start to roll?
[13] Get ready for the stariest season yet with Merrill Streep, Zach Alfinacus, Eugene Levy, Eva Longoria, Melissa McCarthy, DeVey, Melissa McCarthy, DeVine, Joy Randolph, Molly Shannon, and more.
[14] Only Martyrs in the building, premieres August 27th, streaming only on Hulu.
[15] Goodbye.
[16] Moments of staring at each other.
[17] I thought we were going to say hi at the same time.
[18] I know, but I didn't know when you were going to start, ready?
[19] name here.
[20] Hi.
[21] How are you?
[22] What the fuck.
[23] Welcome to my favorite murder.
[24] It's a show where we talk at the same time.
[25] Time.
[26] Time.
[27] That's George Hardstar.
[28] That's Karen Kilgariff.
[29] This is my favorite murder.
[30] Welcome.
[31] So glad you could make it.
[32] Thanks for coming.
[33] Thanks for staying for at least 10 minutes, we hope.
[34] Give us 10.
[35] We're going to do this for 10 minutes.
[36] Just a lot of back and force.
[37] Yep, yeah.
[38] If you're into that, hang out.
[39] If no, bye -bye.
[40] Yeah.
[41] See you in 20, actually 20 minutes when we start the murders.
[42] See you in 45 minutes when I begin to commit to the project that is my favorite murder.
[43] Yeah, we're being realistic now.
[44] Do you love your night?
[45] You got a manicure.
[46] I got a manicure today.
[47] I did need to look at my house.
[48] I know.
[49] Isn't it fun?
[50] You're gazing lovingly.
[51] at your nails.
[52] I've never seen you do that before.
[53] Here's the thing.
[54] And I just talked about this, but to you, but having, so now I work on Guy Branden's TV show.
[55] And on this TV show, I get, for it's sometimes 8 .30 in the morning, I get three grown women who stand around me doing my hair and makeup for hours.
[56] And it is so fun.
[57] I love it.
[58] And like people are just, just teasing my hair for like 45 minutes straight.
[59] The best.
[60] And shaping it.
[61] So I have really good hair.
[62] Doing makeup, very lightly brushing my face for an hour.
[63] Amazing.
[64] I start to realize, like, on the first day, because this is a very collapsed schedule, it's been hard, we've worked a lot.
[65] Which is why we're recording on a Sunday instead of a Tuesday.
[66] That's right, because this next week is going to be the same and crazy.
[67] But so, the first day we went to tape, I sat down at my, so it's a, it's called Talks for the game show.
[68] Guy is hosting, Guy Brannum, friend of the show, expert lawyer, Guy Brannum.
[69] It's a talk show.
[70] He's the host.
[71] And I am a judge where people come out and they do an interview with Guy and then I judge them and tell them how they did.
[72] God, that sounds like a dream job.
[73] Just like.
[74] Super fun.
[75] And you don't get judged.
[76] You just talk shit on people.
[77] Hell no. They can't say shit to me. Don't fucking talk to me. But going through like basically the beauty, a glam squad, every.
[78] morning makes me realize how like the first day after I left Diane who's my makeup person handed me a mask and she goes why you put this on tonight oh my god and it was basically like thing by thing where it's like oh yeah that's right like I go home and then just go to sleep and don't watch my face.
[79] They're like can you make our lives a little easier please?
[80] Can you not make this so that we have to put you together like a wax god damn dummy?
[81] Um and so then you know like one day I realized I have to hold up signs I need to paint my fingernails.
[82] No dude I at it when you're like, oh, this person, I have done the bare minimum of looking good.
[83] Yes.
[84] And now, but then once I do it, it's like, oh, this is fun.
[85] Doesn't it feel nice to take hair, to pamper yourself?
[86] It really does.
[87] So today, I really like it.
[88] So today I was like, I just did my nails last week really fast.
[89] I did that too.
[90] But so today I went and got a manicure in Silver Lake.
[91] And it was nice.
[92] And the lady, Rose, did it really awesomely.
[93] That's so sweet that you find out the names of your manicures.
[94] She asked me my name and then I asked her her name.
[95] Oh, wow.
[96] it was fun when i went to leave also but my glam ended because it was the weekend so i had no makeup on and oh fuck that looked a lot like a scound bag you saw me that morning went to leave i told you in the morning you look beautiful well i can't have it i don't think i said beautiful i think i said you look so pretty right i think beautiful is like get away from me in the valet area and ran away from you i was i was working ballet that was right george had her little hat on and she brought my car around.
[97] I told her to get away from me. Went and got a manicure.
[98] As I was getting rung up, a girl who was getting her manicure looked up at me and goes, Karen, and I go, yeah, because I was like, oh, does she work with me?
[99] Is it somebody that, like, I haven't talked to you that much?
[100] Whatever.
[101] And then she goes, I love your podcast.
[102] But she was like, she was getting a manicure.
[103] So she was kind of weirdly stuck.
[104] It wasn't like we could shake hands or say hi or anything.
[105] And I immediately got so self -conscious that I had like these crazy nice nails and then other than that I really looked like I rolled out from under a bridge I was like oh thanks bye and just ran away so quickly so I just wanted to say to that girl if you're listening which she might have quit at this point because I was so not all that friendly to her hi I'm sorry I didn't ask you what your name was I'm sorry I didn't say I sorry I didn't have a moment with you I was kind of embarrassed I'm kind of embarrassed in general how are you feeling today kind of embarrassed.
[106] Kind of generally embarrassed, but I'm working on it.
[107] Yeah.
[108] But I feel like, but the thing is, too, that she knows so much about you at this point and, like, doesn't expect you to, like, she doesn't think you're going to be Chrissy fucking Tegan, you know what I mean?
[109] Yeah.
[110] Like, we haven't fucking positioned ourselves to be Chrissy fucking, I mean, Chrissy Tegan seems like a chill chick, but like, but she looks like.
[111] For some reason, I can't drop the Chrissy Tegan expectation.
[112] It's my problem.
[113] Oh, yeah.
[114] No one.
[115] I kind of am like, oh, maybe I look like, I kind of get that because I'm like, I'm not wearing makeup anymore and then I'll see myself sometimes I'm like oh my God I look like I'm on my way to rehab and like to people like my neighborhood fucking cafe are they like is she okay?
[116] I have like some acne scars right now so it looks a little like I've been picking at my face you know like yes I want to be presentable presentable you might be presentable if my mom saw me who's a fucking really into image is everything she'd be like she'd be worried about me my mom I have a tape in my head of my mom who used to always if you would like walk through the kitchen it would just be like after school one day or like casual time.
[117] My mom would be the one to go, oh, God, put some lipstick on.
[118] You look like a corpse.
[119] That was like her great quote.
[120] So I have that kind of there.
[121] I'm like, really in the house you need me to wear lipstick, lady?
[122] It's so, moms, the minute she sees me, she tells me how something I am doing that she likes it better when I do the other way around.
[123] Like, if I have short hair, oh, I like your hair longer.
[124] Not like, you look cute.
[125] It's like, oh, I like your hair shorter.
[126] Like, it's just like, here's what you've done that doesn't please me. Yes.
[127] And I'm like, fuck you.
[128] You voted for Trump.
[129] What do you fight?
[130] Here's what you fucking mom.
[131] That's right.
[132] You don't get to tell me nothing anymore.
[133] No, no, no, no. Moms.
[134] Moms and dads.
[135] Do we have corners?
[136] Oh, I have a couple corners.
[137] Can I tell you something I've never talked about?
[138] Vince and I have this.
[139] I'm going to share a real intimate, not intimate, but I'm an instant.
[140] I joke that my husband and I have that we're the only people who know what this is and we kind of love it and share it together and I'm going to just sell a few people right now.
[141] And every time we say any kind of corner thing, I think of this.
[142] So whenever the word corner comes up, Vince and I say to each other, corner, corner, corner.
[143] And the reason is because we would go to this like late night diner in Los Felis called House of Pies.
[144] That's like the fucking best like old school diner.
[145] And there was this chick who was a waitress there who was like late night waitress.
[146] You could tell she was on like Adderon fucking like buzzing on coffee and shit.
[147] She was really cool, but she was like clearly buzzing.
[148] And every time she'd have hot plates on her, you know when you're a waitress and you have to say, behind you, behind you, behind someone with plates so they don't walk into you, she would come around the corner with these hot plates and go corner, corner, corner, corner, corner, corner, corner.
[149] So you'd be like eating your chicken pot by or whatever, you just keep your corner, corner, corner, corner.
[150] And so whenever we hear someone say corner, and this is like three years ago and we're still like, corner, corner, corner.
[151] Now I just told everyone.
[152] So let's do corner corner corner corner time is it corner corner corner time well we were at that live show we got to meet some people afterwards and there were two different girls who took the time to tell us that we this podcast meant a lot to them because they were going through a really hard time and that they were like one the one girl said it I'm sorry I don't remember your name the way you phrased it was you were these great voices in my head when I only had bad voices in my head and it was was so touching to me, but it also was the same exact thing that a different girl said.
[153] And I was like, I said to her, just so you know, that's just what someone else said.
[154] Shut up.
[155] I don't remember this.
[156] Yeah.
[157] The first girl said and I was like, someone else just said that.
[158] And then she was like, where I was like, I wanted to go, like, go over there and talk to her, but that's weird.
[159] But it was just very, A, it was very touching that we could help somebody that would be in that position.
[160] but B, if you are in that position and you have those feelings, get help, figure out a way to find a therapist, go online, look it up, it's, there's, you know, like, it's good to get help for yourself, and it's good to solve those problems.
[161] There are solvable problems.
[162] We've both been there.
[163] And it's good to have friends, too, and I have to say the Facebook group is they, those people are, everyone's becoming friends and everyone will talk to you and everyone will help you with something and it's like a really good resource for people who who listen to this because they need help yeah i think i mean i completely also get help from a fucking professional but it is a really cool like i think a lot of people are making friends off of it yeah it seems like it yeah and we relate because and we talk about this all the time like there are lots of podcasts i listen to that when i listen to them it like it's my friends who have their own podcast or it's somebody else you know whatever that i love but like i start listening to it and i feel better i feel like I'm with people I like I feel like I'm hanging out like my loneliness goes away my anxiety goes away and so we get it like I'm not laughing at you I'm laughing at this um meme I saw that says on the top um what I what I'm like when I listen to podcasts and it's this yeah did you see this it's this billboard of these three cute girls like eating ice cream and then there's this dude sitting next to the billboard like laughing along with them and eating a bowl of ice cream yeah it's like me too it's like how you listen to podcasts which I fucking I'm the same way.
[164] Yeah, it gets you through.
[165] It's nice.
[166] I think we have to, we have a couple live shows coming up that aren't sold out.
[167] So we have to shout them out to people to get the tickets, right?
[168] Hold on.
[169] Stephen, can you wait on this?
[170] Okay, so here's some new information on our live shows.
[171] So on February 3rd, that's a Friday, these tickets will go on sale.
[172] So, okay, we're doing an extra point.
[173] Portland show because you guys, they got sold out so quickly and people got pissed off.
[174] So Sunday, the 26th of March at Revolution Hall, there's going to be an added show.
[175] So that is going to be on sale on the, what did I say?
[176] Tomorrow.
[177] On the third of February, that's a Friday.
[178] I think that should be tomorrow.
[179] So that's Portland.
[180] No, that's next Friday.
[181] What's today?
[182] Okay.
[183] Isn't it?
[184] Yes.
[185] Tomorrow is today the 20.
[186] Wait, today's 27th.
[187] So, yeah.
[188] Yes, this Friday.
[189] Today's the 29th.
[190] So this coming Friday.
[191] So, yeah, when this episode drops, it will be the day after.
[192] Thank you, Stephen.
[193] So it's tomorrow.
[194] Yes.
[195] And then Boston is adding a late show at the Wilbur on March 3rd.
[196] It's the same day as a regular show, but we're having a later night show as well.
[197] And then Milwaukee is moving to a larger venue.
[198] So it was at the Papps, which we sold out, I guess.
[199] So it's now moving to the Riverside.
[200] but all the tickets that you bought from the PAPS will be...
[201] You will get the same or better seats at the new place.
[202] But there's going to be more tickets on sale.
[203] That will be on February 3rd at noon.
[204] Noon local time.
[205] So that was a show, live show, Corner, Corner, Corner.
[206] Now we have Laura Kilgareff Corner.
[207] That's Sister, Sister, Sister Corner.
[208] So my sister goes on the Facebook page and tells me stories that she loves and she has great taste.
[209] So this one is especially awesome, and it's Kristen Michelle McClure's story that she posted on the Facebook page, and it's fucking crazy.
[210] So she says, her boyfriend was sick, so she drove up to McAllister's in Addison, Texas to pick up some food and ice tea for dinner.
[211] And the parking lot was pretty dark, and the only people there that late were the staff.
[212] And one woman who left shortly after she got there.
[213] And when she got her order, she walked outside to see the woman from before.
[214] smoking a cigarette and suddenly she comes over to me, I switched it now, it's first person, suddenly she comes over to me and says, hi, oh my God, it's so good to see you.
[215] How have you been?
[216] And I'm sure I looked very confused as I responded, I'm sorry, I think you have me confused with someone else, I don't think I know you and her voice got quiet and she said, pretend like you do, there's a man hiding behind your car.
[217] Fucking chills, you guys.
[218] I'm a very observant and spatially aware person, but I never would have known he was there if it wasn't for this amazing lady so i let her walk me to my car and as i do she explains that she saw him lurking as she was leaving and got a bad feeling so she decided to wait for me what an angel baby that is so incredibly nice and we really need to be doing that for each other sure enough we get to my car and a man in a hoodie stands up from behind my passenger rear side and nonchalantly walks into the dumpster alley dumpster alleys we're fucking lurker Lirk.
[219] So as we're saying goodbye, she smiled and said, stay sexy, don't get murdered.
[220] What the fuck are the chances?
[221] A fellow murdererino probably saved me from being robbed, assaulted, kidnapped, murdered, God knows what, and I'm so thankful for her.
[222] I didn't catch her name, but if you're listening or, but if you're reading this, thank you.
[223] Let's listen to MFM, drink wine, and catch, and watch murder documentaries some time.
[224] So then there's an update from Cheney Coles with this girl.
[225] Holy shit.
[226] It's Cheney Coles, Kristen Michelle McClure, and Emily Burke.
[227] And Cheney Coles is saying, so a lot of you probably saw Kristen's post yesterday about how a fellow murderino saved her when a hooded man was hiding behind her car at McAllister's.
[228] If you didn't scroll down, it's a crazy story.
[229] I live in Dallas, so I commented that I wanted to be her friend since we're practically neighbors.
[230] a few chats via messenger and Facebook friendship later.
[231] She and I and my murderino best friend, Emily, met for drinks last night and discussed all kinds of murders.
[232] The tables around us thought we were weird, but we had a great time.
[233] This podcast and this group makes me so happy.
[234] Murderitos met for drinks last night.
[235] Oh, there's an overlap, sorry.
[236] Murderino's Unite is the last line.
[237] That's so sweet.
[238] When my sister sent me that, I started crying, and I was like, That's the cool, that idea right there of somebody noticing something that might be bad and taking the time to look out for another person and the idea that the reason they might do that is because they were emboldened by the shit that you and I say on this.
[239] My therapist is trying to make me cry more and I'm going to try to do it because I really want to, but there's something inside of me that won't let me do it.
[240] But stop it.
[241] Yes, keep going.
[242] I'm so proud of us.
[243] I left therapy the other day and just texted you, I'm really proud of us.
[244] You did.
[245] That's right.
[246] Okay.
[247] I'm proud of us, too.
[248] I want to cry.
[249] Well, just don't do it now.
[250] You do it.
[251] I mean, Jesus Christ.
[252] And you're, like, sitting there like, I've got to cry on this podcast.
[253] I already did it today.
[254] So that's, I got it out of the way.
[255] You did it at lunch.
[256] It's just a cool thing.
[257] It's like, you know, it's the point.
[258] It's so wonderful.
[259] And, like, I'm just proud of, I'm proud of us.
[260] Good job, everybody.
[261] Good job, you guys.
[262] We fucking did it.
[263] We're staying sexy.
[264] We're not getting murdered.
[265] We're making friends.
[266] Extending yourself to people who might be in a, been a bad place that's kind of like that's the that's what we're looking for these days and we're fucking like we're putting those fucking dumpster alley lurkers in their place of like no you can't fucking you can't do this dude no or you know maybe that guy was peeing either way that girl got in her car and got home safe in the end peers can attack people too you know maybe he was doing both maybe had a pee and it could have been a pee attack a pee attack oh Karen you know I'm all about vintage Absolutely.
[267] And when you say vintage, you mean when you physically drive to a store and actually purchase something with cash.
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[285] Goodbye.
[286] Hey, this is exciting.
[287] An all new season of only murders in the building is coming to Hulu on August 27th.
[288] Steve Martin, Martin Short, and Selena Gomez are back as your favorite podcaster, detectives.
[289] But there's a mystery hanging over everyone.
[290] Who killed Saz?
[291] And were they really after Charles?
[292] Why would someone want to kill Charles?
[293] This season, murder hits close to home.
[294] With a threat against one of their own, the stakes are higher than ever.
[295] Plus, the gang is going to Hollywood to turn their podcast into a major movie.
[296] Amid the glitz and glamour of Los Angeles, more mysteries and twists arise.
[297] Who knows what will happen once the cameras start to roll?
[298] Get ready for the stariest season yet with Merrill Streep, Zach Alfinacus, Eugene Levy, Eva Longoria, Melissa McCarthy, Daveine, Joy Randolph, Molly Shannon, and more.
[299] Only murders in the building, premieres August 27th, streaming only on Hulu.
[300] Goodbye.
[301] This has been my favorite murder.
[302] Goodbye.
[303] That was gorgeous.
[304] Oh, my phone just told me, Robert Durst Hearings are, uh, is it tomorrow?
[305] Oh, it's, oh, the February 15th, sorry.
[306] It came up as an alert just now.
[307] That's really weird.
[308] Random.
[309] Real quick, merch corner, corner, corner, uh, my favorite murder shirts .com.
[310] And we have new hats.
[311] We have hats now.
[312] Oh, yeah.
[313] Caps and beanies and I guess people like hats.
[314] I, like never post anything that I wouldn't wear.
[315] So I'm like, all right, you like a hat?
[316] Baseball hats.
[317] They're like ski hats or whatever.
[318] Yeah, they're actually really cool.
[319] yeah the same murdering now on them and stuff all right good job hey should we talk about what how many minutes was that we told people 10 minutes 22 what the fuck hey siri how many minutes oh my god surrey just started talking to me without me pressing anything you think my new place is haunted yes me too I think you're first this week okay so let let's start what was that show called that you recently told me. The new detectives.
[320] I'm not telling you any more shows.
[321] Because I keep getting wrong.
[322] Jesus Christ.
[323] Okay.
[324] So.
[325] No, because you're like, I fucking hate that show.
[326] No, I, I know.
[327] I do that about a lot of things.
[328] All right.
[329] So this is a story from that show, but it's, no, what?
[330] Oh, you watched it and got the story from it?
[331] I had a story and then realized when looking it up that they had covered the story on that show.
[332] Got it.
[333] Not new detectives.
[334] Real detectives.
[335] And so there was so much more to the story.
[336] So I was like, okay, I'm still going to do this, but I'm going to give a shout out to the show Karen likes at the same time.
[337] So I'm not being negative.
[338] All right.
[339] Okay.
[340] I'm not fucking being negative.
[341] All right.
[342] So in Worcester, Massachusetts in 1964, a kid named Nathaniel Bar Jonah is seven years old.
[343] He tells a five -year -old neighbor, that he had just gotten a Ouija board, and she follows him into his basement to play with it.
[344] He attempts to strangle the five -year -old girl.
[345] The seven -year -old attempts to strangle the five -year -old girl.
[346] She screams, his own mother comes down and rescues her.
[347] So, like, his mom knows something's up already.
[348] You know what I mean?
[349] So this fucking seven -year -old cut to six years later in 1970, he's 13 years old.
[350] He lures another neighbor, a six -year -old boy, to a nearby hill, that he wants to go sledding with him.
[351] And of course, he didn't go sledding.
[352] He ends up sexually assaulting the kid.
[353] And then in March 1975, 17 -year -old Nathaniel Bar -Jona, he's doing the fucking classic impersonation of an police officer, abducts an eight -year -old kid named Richard O 'Connor, who's on his way to school, sexually assaults and strangles him.
[354] A neighbor saw this happening and notifies the police.
[355] police, they find a car matching the description in a parking lot, they get him out of the car, and the kid is found in the car near death, but alive.
[356] So, uh, Nathaniel is arrested, charged, and convicted, but he receives, you ready for this?
[357] A year of probation for this crime.
[358] Uh, I, how?
[359] Yeah, because it's 1970.
[360] But What?
[361] Okay.
[362] Probation.
[363] Like, he's not dead.
[364] I mean, he must have had some insane lawyer or some kind of, yeah, that's crazy.
[365] No, I think that happened all that.
[366] Well, it gets worse.
[367] Okay.
[368] It always gets worse.
[369] So a few days before he graduates from high school, he's again impersonating a police officer, and he abducts a nine -year -old girl who he assaults savagely in his car, and then later throws her from the car into a sidewalk.
[370] She's still alive.
[371] And a witness gets his license plate, which leads to his arrest.
[372] And this assault never gets back to his probation officer.
[373] And so he's released from parole from the earlier assault in 1976.
[374] And so when his probationary period is over, he receives a letter thanking him for his cooperation.
[375] So he never gets...
[376] No. Sorry.
[377] What?
[378] His parole ends in 76.
[379] They catch him, and I don't know if he ever got...
[380] charged with anything after they found the kid after he threw her out of her car, but the parole officer never finds, or probation officer never finds out about it, so nothing is added to his sentence.
[381] What the fuck?
[382] Yeah.
[383] So in September, 1977, he's claiming to be an undercover FBI agent, and he convinces two boys to get into his car.
[384] He goes to a secluded area with them, and he handcuffs them, and he assaults them.
[385] And he thought he had killed one of the boys, so he took the other one, still alive in his trunk and drove off.
[386] But the kid he thought was dead was a not dead.
[387] He regains consciousness and fucking finds help.
[388] And the boy who was kidnapped is found still alive in Nathaniel's trunk.
[389] So he's caught, convicted of attempted murder, and gets the maximum sentence of 18 to 20 years in prison.
[390] So fucking finally he's being incarcerated.
[391] So while he's incarcerated, he tells a psychologist there about his family.
[392] of murder, dissection, and cannibalism.
[393] It's a psychiatrist, and she, that psychiatrist decides to commit him to the Bridgewater State Hospital for the sexual predators, which I think means that you don't have a release date.
[394] I think they can keep you indefinitely.
[395] That could be wrong.
[396] Guy Brennan, please let me know.
[397] So he stays in the hospital from 79 to 91 when there's a hearing before Superior Court Judge Walter E. Steele, who needs to be fucking named.
[398] named two psychiatrists say that Nathaniel Barrejona is a danger to society and he should not be let out.
[399] Two of them said he isn't.
[400] So we got two and two.
[401] The judge sides with the, I said, the judge sided with the stupid ones and said that he thought that Nathaniel Barjona would not commit the crime again and decided that the state had failed to prove he was dangerous.
[402] So this dude, Facken Superior Court Judge Walter E. Steele, lets Bar Jonah out.
[403] Does his family have money?
[404] He must have amazing lawyers.
[405] I don't think it was that difficult then, though.
[406] You know what I mean?
[407] There's no Megan's Law.
[408] There's none of this shit where they think predators and sexual abusers are even important enough to let their next -door neighbor who has children know that they're there.
[409] Like, it's not a priority.
[410] Yeah, but it's, I mean, these are attacks.
[411] They're physical attacks.
[412] It just doesn't make sense.
[413] It doesn't make sense.
[414] be like, he attacks a little girl, throws her out of a car, and thanks for, thanks for doing such a great job in your parole.
[415] Like, that doesn't even track.
[416] No, it doesn't.
[417] And it's the same way we're talking with Guy Brennan where it's like, well, his intent was to kill these people.
[418] Why isn't he kept in prison in the same amount of time that someone who had actually killed them are?
[419] And it's just because he got lucky for, you know, he just kept getting lucky.
[420] I mean, that's beyond lucky where he's not getting arrested for it.
[421] Like he's not even.
[422] I think it's a fucked up justice system at the time.
[423] I think that's all it is.
[424] So he leaves the institution and he promises to not go back to Massachusetts, that instead he'll go to Montana.
[425] But Megan's Law is still being debated.
[426] It's not enacted yet, which, you know, as everyone knows, Megan's Law is that if you're a sexual offender, you have to notify everyone in the community and they're allowed to know where you live and all this.
[427] So, okay, so he has weekly garage sales selling Star Wars memorabilia and stuffed animals that attracts many local children.
[428] And let's see, within a week, he commits another attack on a child.
[429] And then no one in Montana is notified of his past crimes at all.
[430] So on February 6th, 1996, 10 -year -old Zachary Ramsey is on his way to school at about 7 .30 a .m., he takes his usual school route through the alleyway.
[431] And remember those fucking shortcuts he used to take to school?
[432] The shortcuts I used to take as a kid, the amount of places I could have been murdered in is just more than I couldn't have been murdered in.
[433] You know what I mean?
[434] Like fucking alleyways and back alleys and fucking, what are those?
[435] called like the river dry river beds and just these horrible places um and a family who lives in along the alleyway reports seeing him but also sees an off white four door car that nearly runs him over another witness who lived in the area sees him distressed with an obese adult male following him a few feet behind at about seven 45 Zach then disappears which is another thing of fucking, if you see something, fucking say something.
[436] If you see a little kid upset with an adult and something doesn't look right, you can be rude and be like, is everything okay here?
[437] You know what I mean?
[438] You're not going to get in trouble for it.
[439] Let's see.
[440] Okay.
[441] So the police investigate Zach Ramsey's kidnapping.
[442] And it turns out that Nathaniel Barjona, who was a known sex offender in the area, although there were a lot of them, has access to his mom's off -white, four -door Toyota Corolla, the day that Zach goes missing, and his mother was out of town for a funeral, and so he had the house to himself.
[443] And he also didn't work that day.
[444] So he stays away from the police until 99 when he's arrested near an elementary school in Great Falls, Montana.
[445] He's dressed as a policeman.
[446] He's carrying a stun gun and pepper spray, and is, like, fucking targeting one of the kids there.
[447] And they search his apartment, and they find a little.
[448] list of boys' names, including previous victims that he had actually had, and the name Zachary Ramsey, the last word of which was died, because he had done these crazy encryptions.
[449] And so when the FBI finally took apart everything, they found all of these names.
[450] There's dozens of newspaper clippings found in his apartment following the Zach Ramsey case, and a former roommate said that he found clothes in his apartment, which matched Zachary Ramsey's clothes that he was wearing the day he disappeared and bloody gloves.
[451] So they also found encrypted menus referring to cannibalizing children.
[452] And there were actual, I don't want to, I don't if you want to hear them, but like names of of meals that were like puns on children being the fucking on the menu.
[453] It's pretty fucking.
[454] It's like, it's almost, it's too like, it takes too light.
[455] I don't like it, but it's gross.
[456] Because he thinks he's being like funny?
[457] Yeah.
[458] Yeah, it's just a disgusting sense of him.
[459] Yeah, it's not amusing in any way.
[460] It's fucked up.
[461] And he's also said that he possibly cut up and served human meat of his victims to his neighbors at barbecues and cookouts and stews and hamburgers.
[462] And there was one woman, his neighbor who said, this tastes really weird.
[463] What is this?
[464] And he said, oh, it's a deer I found.
[465] I cut it up myself, and she remembers it tasting weird.
[466] I mean, can you...
[467] You would have barbecues.
[468] Fucking imagine the eating disorder you would have if you were that neighbor.
[469] Can you imagine ever try...
[470] You'd be vegan for the rest of your life.
[471] Oh, my God.
[472] That's...
[473] Never eat meat again.
[474] I know.
[475] This is really horrible.
[476] I know.
[477] Okay, and they also find a list of 22 names, many which were past victims, known victims, but several have never been a...
[478] counted for.
[479] And they also dug up the yard and found 21 bone fragments of a yet to be identified boy estimated between 8 and 13, and it's not Zach Ramsey's bones.
[480] Okay.
[481] So in July 2000, he's charged with Zach Ramsey's murder and for kidnapping and sexually assaulting three other boys who lived above him in an apartment complex.
[482] He would babysit who was, the mom would just leave him, leave the kids with him, even though she was like, yeah, one of them started acting real weird after I'd let him babysit, and it's like, I didn't know.
[483] But the charges involving Zach Ramsey's murder are dropped because Zach's mom refused to believe that he was dead, and so would testify that Bar Jonah, or Nathania Barjona, never killed her son.
[484] She was going to testify to that.
[485] But he's sentenced for the other charges to 130 years in prison.
[486] It's for sexually assaulting one kid and torturing another.
[487] And on April 13th, 2008, Nathaniel Bargeon is found dead in his prison cell.
[488] His death is either a heart attack or a brain clot.
[489] I can't really, a lot of different, you know, articles.
[490] And then eventually a judge declares Zach Ramsey legally dead in 2011, despite his mom still objecting to that.
[491] How fucked up is that?
[492] It's super fucked up.
[493] It's like one of those murders.
[494] It's like one of those articles that's like, 10 serial killers, you've never fucking, or ten monsters you've never heard of.
[495] And like, why are, you know, why are these other people heard of?
[496] And he's not.
[497] He's just as huge of a fucking monster.
[498] Well, that's the real detectives that I saw.
[499] Yeah.
[500] That was the first one I saw.
[501] With the detective who's like crying.
[502] It was crazy.
[503] And he chased that guy forever.
[504] And he literally chased, he tracked him down.
[505] And by the time, somebody said, oh, well, like, he kept hearing, oh, they went on the shortcut.
[506] so he walked the shortcut himself finally like it was like beat cops were telling him the information so he finally himself walked a shortcut and when he came up the alley bar Jonas was standing at the top of the alley dressed like a security guard across the street from the grammar school and the guy in the show is like you know like and that's when I knew I had my guy and the most horrible part like I looked into that too of like, oh, would this be a good one to do?
[507] The details are so fucking disturbing.
[508] They're really dark.
[509] It's awful.
[510] Yeah.
[511] It's just like, yeah.
[512] It's that kind of thing where it's like, oh, that's interesting.
[513] I feel like maybe that's a reason why it's he's one that you don't hear that much about.
[514] It's because it's like insanely disgusting and awful and he did it to a bunch of kids.
[515] Well, what's so surprising to me about this story and one of the reasons I think it's important to talk about is because Zach Ramsey was taking these shortcuts in 1996.
[516] Like, it wasn't the 80s or even the early 90s, which is when I was doing those things.
[517] It seems like more recent.
[518] And I feel like he was alone early in the morning.
[519] And I know it seems like a well -traveled place and everyone's going to school.
[520] But you can't do those things.
[521] I don't think anyone does anymore.
[522] And especially because people saw that happening.
[523] And we're like, this is weird and like went on with their day.
[524] Right.
[525] It's just so troubling.
[526] Well, and also that guy dressed.
[527] He did, I mean, he was like a real.
[528] he knew what he was doing like dressing like a security guard that thing that people fall for all the time where it's like oh it's a cop it's a security guard it's the person standing outside the school that's dressed like an official must be a good person and to see like yeah it's yeah it's crazy and also that he um did it I mean the idea that like his first thing was when he was seven years old I couldn't find any information about his childhood and how, you know, it could have not been fucked up at all.
[529] He could just be fucking crazy, but there had to be something going on that he would try to strangle a five -year -old when he was seven.
[530] Yeah, it makes you think of Mary Bell.
[531] Yeah, totally.
[532] Just an outright evil kid.
[533] But also what's happening?
[534] I mean, Mary Bell was a total victim as a very young child, and that affects you.
[535] And I wonder what could have happened.
[536] Like his mom found him strangling a little girl.
[537] you know what could have been done to help him at that age yeah and clearly nothing was yeah yeah so intense yeah but also the um the really creepy thing it was like seven it's like the movie seven where he had all these notebooks just tons and tons and tons of notebooks that they recovered yeah that was he obsessively wrote about i mean he was yeah he was insanely crazy it's like he knew that if he did get caught he wanted there to be as much information as possible so he'd be talked about yeah and then i did it and if you watch that episode of real detectives the real detective that that solves that case who talks about it like at one point is crying on camera like he is so clearly it's it's one of those things where that's the case of a lifetime yeah and horror so horrible yeah yeah horrifying yeah you want to go you mean leave right now Um, mine is very well known this week.
[538] It's Rodney Alcala, the dating game killer.
[539] This one I've seen, like, I've seen the forensic files of this guy.
[540] I have seen like a 2020, like almost everything on Discovery ID, there's been every version of one of those shows they have featured this guy.
[541] Because it's, the dating game thing is such a fucking, That's what did it for his fame.
[542] Yeah.
[543] It's so insane.
[544] But there was one of those shows that kind of reverse -engineered where they followed the victim.
[545] And now I don't remember the show.
[546] I don't remember which victim it is because he has so very many.
[547] But it's that thing where basically this girl goes missing and her family's trying to find her.
[548] Her family's trying to find her.
[549] And then eventually this cache of photographs because Rodney Alcala is, photographer and when he's finally arrested and they start going through thousands and thousands of photographs they find a picture of her and they finally realize I think it was the hiker she was a hiker and she was like a real outdoors woman and then they find a picture among all these really disturbing pictures and they can't identify all like there's so many of those photos are like tons do you know who this is or are they missing or what cold cases they say they're still online okay so here's the here's the basic story and we'll start it here in 1978 on the popular TV show, The Dating Game, host Jim Lang, introduced Rodney Alcala as Bachelor number one is a successful photographer who got his start when his father found him in the dark room at age 13 fully developed.
[550] Wait, what?
[551] Well, that's the show.
[552] Have you ever seen that show?
[553] Yeah, but what a...
[554] So it's like sexual innuendo, which when you're not a...
[555] Your dad molested you in the fucking dark room?
[556] No, I know.
[557] No. But basically, it's...
[558] basically like the fun sexual innuendo when you're not a serial rapist and killer is fun but um when you are is so horrifying uh and the rest of that is between takes you might find him skydiving or motorcycling um or murdering actor jed mills who was bachelor number two on the show and competed against i'll calla um described him as a very strange guy with very bizarre opinions and the funny thing is the Bachelorette, Cheryl Bradshaw, chose Alcala.
[559] He won the dating game, but when she met him, she refused to go out with him because she found him so creepy.
[560] Oh, my God, I want to talk to her.
[561] She was right to find him creepy because he had already raped an eight -year -old girl and murdered four women when he was on that show.
[562] Four women already?
[563] Four women.
[564] And then he's like, I'm going to go on TV.
[565] What a cocky.
[566] So he was basically mid -killing spree that had started uh they believe in well he raped the eight year old girl in 1968 um and then the killing began soon after and he's in the middle of all that goes on a game show um so yeah he's completely out of his goddamn mind and kind of like a luca magnate like it's that thing of like i want to be famous i want everyone to see me yeah and you can't catch me yeah i'm smart i'm smarter than everybody he did have 160 IQ so he's kind of less smarter than everybody in a way fair enough so he committed his first known crime in 1968 a motorist in Los Angeles called the police after watching him lure an eight -year -old girl named Tally Shapiro into his Hollywood apartment the girl was found alive raped and beaten with a steel bar but Alcala had already fled so to evade the resulting arrest warrant he left the state and he enrolled in NYU Film School under the name John Berger, where he studied under Roman Polansky.
[567] Oh.
[568] That's convenient.
[569] Oh.
[570] Then he obtained, in 1971, he got a counseling job at a New Hampshire Arts Camp for Children, using a different alias, John Berger.
[571] But in June of 1971, Cornelia Crilly, a 23 -year -old, trans TWA flight attendant was found raped and strangled in her Manhattan apartment.
[572] That Cornelia's murder would remain unsolved for 40 years.
[573] Holy shit.
[574] So she was one of the ones that when they found the pictures, they started putting it up all together.
[575] They're like this person was missing or murdered, we don't know.
[576] Oh, my God.
[577] So now Alcala's on the, in 1971, he goes on the 10 most wanted fugitives list.
[578] And a few months later, two children who were at this arts camp that he got the job at, they notice his photo on an FBI poster at the post office.
[579] And they finger him.
[580] Fuck yeah, they do.
[581] Some kids.
[582] So he's extradited to California.
[583] But by then, that eight -year -old girl that he had attacked, her parents had relocated the entire family to Mexico and they weren't coming back.
[584] Yeah.
[585] So they were unable to convict him.
[586] of rape and attempted murder so the prosecutors were forced to permit him to plead to a lesser charge of assault so he's paroled after 34 months and assault yeah he basically it's the same thing if he demonstrated evidence of rehabilitation he got out early so nice for 34 months and you can get out whenever the fuck you want.
[587] Right.
[588] So two months after his release, he's re -arrested after assaulting a 13 -year -old girl who he had offered a ride to school and she thought she was just getting a ride to school.
[589] And again, he's paroled after serving two years of an indeterminate sentence.
[590] So after that release from prison, a L .A. parole officer takes the unusual step of permitting this repeat offender and a known flight risk to travel to New York City.
[591] Irritating, but if he has 160 IQ and he's this level psychopath, he's probably incredibly charming and incredibly convincing.
[592] So he's, he's, you know, he, he, it just sucks.
[593] He makes it work.
[594] Yeah.
[595] It's crazy.
[596] Well, a lot of people who just aren't, aren't capable of handling this level.
[597] This is like a super villain.
[598] Yeah.
[599] He's, it's savvy as fuck.
[600] And even a person who's of normal intelligence don't understand the, like, the nuances of manipulation, probably.
[601] Right.
[602] Have you seen the show Good Behavior with the girl who's Mary from Downton Abbey?
[603] No. It's really good.
[604] Is it when we do a TV show recommendations?
[605] Well, and also, so in it, she's like a con woman.
[606] And she does these things.
[607] Like, she started off being a con woman because she was addicted to drugs, but now she's doing it just to get more.
[608] money and like you watch it it's really good but she does these things and it's you see how easy it would be to fall for it because like she'll go in and she'll she has a really nice outfit on and she looks like she has a lot of money and she's like a high -end resort and then she's like shopping for jewelry so she'll be like oh can I see that there my husband wants my husband said I could get one thing and so I'm going to pick it and so while the guy she's shopping and chatting and giggling and they're drinking champagne and then she's making the guy go get her things away from the counter and while he's gone she's just loading her purse with the jewelry she's trying on but she's doing these switch around so she's like never you know what I mean it's all very believable and then she walks out he's not going to know anything is gone until way later and it's that's what it makes me think of did you see the movie paper moon it's one of my favorite movies in the world with the um the o 'neill family Tatum o 'neill and right o 'neill and they do that and it's they're they're grifters and it's just one of my absolute favorite movies, and you would never fucking know what they're doing.
[609] It's so good.
[610] Well, that's because you have to be good to get away with it.
[611] Yeah.
[612] And that's how you're good.
[613] It's casual.
[614] He used to be casual about it.
[615] And you have to be friendly and kind of charming and alluring.
[616] So people are like, no, never be her, the pretty.
[617] They're probably good looking.
[618] I get nervous that people think I'm shoplifting, even when I have no intention and I'm never going to shoplift.
[619] It's like, I'm still like, I'm not top left egg.
[620] I know.
[621] So we have to be pretty fucking.
[622] You have to be like steely, but also like superlifting.
[623] super charming.
[624] Yeah.
[625] So clearly that's this guy.
[626] So he convinces his parole officer to let him go to New York.
[627] And while he's there, a week after he gets to Manhattan, he kills Ellen Jane Hover, who is 23 and the daughter of the owner of Ciro's, which is a Hollywood nightclub.
[628] She was the goddaughter of Dean Martin and Sammy Davis Jr. She was like an heiress.
[629] She had a lot of money.
[630] And her remains were found buried on the grounds of the Rockefeller.
[631] estate in Westchester County.
[632] How did he even get in there?
[633] Well, I have no idea.
[634] He probably went to like a club and she was there and he's, you see pictures of him.
[635] He's super creepy now because like you see pictures of him in jail and he has like really long, like salt and pepper creepy curly hair.
[636] Like a ramen, dry ramen hair.
[637] But you know back then it was like the late 70s and it was that kind of looking for Mr. Goodbar era of.
[638] era of like pickup clubs and everyone was like post hippie yeah you know feeling it yeah era I don't know um but he also did the thing where he was a photographer right he was playing like the artist side um for a little while he worked at the LA Times as a typesetter and um he was at one point interviewed um by the members of the hillside strangler task force as part of their investigation when they were interviewing known sex offenders.
[639] He was ruled out as the Hillside Strangler, but he got arrested and served a brief sentence for marijuana possession.
[640] So they got him for that.
[641] Thank God.
[642] But he also, during this time, he convinced a bunch of young men and women that he was a professional fashion photographer and photographed them for his portfolio.
[643] And he showed that portfolio to his co -workers at the LA Times and there were people who are quoted as saying they should I thought it was weird but I didn't you know I didn't know because he said he was like a fashion photographer and so I just remember there was a bunch of naked girls oh my God and he would show it to people like this is my this is my portfolio it's so fucking creepy so he's totally flaunting it and of course everyone's just like oh i guess that's high fashion photography um so in 1979 he knocks um he knocks um he knocks unconscious and rapes 15 year old monique hoyt as she's posing um for him for one of those uh shoots um and uh then he goes on the dating game which was in also in i believe 1979 around that same time.
[644] And they think that because, or he was on the dating game in 1978.
[645] So they think because of that rejection of the girl on the dating game being like, there's no fucking way I'm going out with that guy.
[646] Because right after that, a 12 -year -old girl from Huntington Beach named Robin Samso disappeared on her way between the beach and ballet class.
[647] It was June 20th, 19th, 1979 when this happened.
[648] 12 days later, her deep composing body was found in the Los Angeles foothills.
[649] I know I did I did something like that.
[650] A guy saying, I'm a photographer when I was like 17.
[651] No, like 18.
[652] And you did what?
[653] I went and took photos with him in the fucking Santa Monica Mountains.
[654] Holy shit.
[655] I've never told anyone this.
[656] This guy should have killed me. But he just took pictures of you and drove you home?
[657] Yeah, he was a regular at this restaurant I was working at and was like, he came in all the time.
[658] He was like, I'm a photographer.
[659] I'd love to take photos of you.
[660] And I'm like, okay.
[661] And we went up to Santa Monica Hills.
[662] And that was when I was like, oh shit, I'm alone with this guy in the fucking forest.
[663] In the fucking hills, overlooking the ocean.
[664] And like, there was, he was so nice at the restaurant.
[665] And the minute his eye went to the camera lens, he looked fucking evil.
[666] I remember thinking, you need to fucking, this is not okay.
[667] And so I kept asking about his mom.
[668] And he kept telling about his mother.
[669] And it was almost like I was, I kind of knew something was not right.
[670] And I needed to talk to him a lot.
[671] And and then we just went home.
[672] But my heart was racing the whole time.
[673] And I don't know what happened to him.
[674] And I kind of just, I think I quit soon after that.
[675] It was just that I should have been dead.
[676] That's insane.
[677] I know.
[678] And I'm so embarrassed of that.
[679] I don't fucking tell people about it.
[680] But it reminds me so much of the story.
[681] Right.
[682] Well, also, because there's a, there's another guy that's on like I've seen like three different you know ID discovery things about the guy that he would approach women in malls and say that he was a photographer that he was a casting director right um he wanted to take their picture because he was casting for the latest was it Batman or some like the latest big movie and they would go meet him yeah and then they would disappear and they were meeting him at houses that were for sale oh I didn't know that yeah Yeah, so he was going in and basically meeting them in empty, like, houses that he knew that the real estate agent, like, was showing.
[683] He would go have it shown to him, have them meet them there, and then attack them there.
[684] And he had killed a couple girls, and then one girl got away, and that's how he got caught.
[685] So it's the exact same thing.
[686] That's so great.
[687] And, I mean, I don't want to say it because I feel so stupid, but I was like 18, and, like, I was new to L .A., and I was so flattered that someone wanted to take my photo, and it was the 90s, and I didn't understand.
[688] and I thought I knew this person he was so nice all the time and so when I say fuck politeness it's because I've done shit that have probably been really like unsafe and it's just I want to cry thinking about it I feel so fucking stupid we're having done that yeah but that's the whole manipulation is that they're playing on like we're then we're supposed to be embarrassed that we had you know the pride oh who are we to think that we have our picture taken when actually that's that's the play that's that's the play that's that's the whole thing is how they get you is like of course you're flattered and then you have a little ego stroke and then oh my god maybe i am a model and it's all those things that then it's the shame of that that's supposed to like keep you quiet yeah and fuck that shit it's like it's that's they're doing that's what they're doing to you any human being that gets that kind of special attention is going to go oh my god yeah i want that special attention that's what we all want yeah that's everybody wants to be told that they're pretty and want you know have their picture taken and that's it's the easiest way to manipulate people and I just remember the moment it took a turn and I got scared and realized something was not right thank fucking god nothing happened yeah um anyway so Robin Samso's friends uh told the police that a stranger had approached them at the beach asking to take their pictures and um they circulate a sketch of the photographer Alcala's parole officer recognizes him in this sketch and then they search his house in Monterey Park and they find a rental receipt for a storage locker in Seattle so then they go into that storage locker and they find a pair of Robin Sampso's earrings so he's basically killing people taking the why don't I ever remember the word for it?
[689] Yeah, the trophy but then he's keeping it like in a different state okay um so he's arrested in 1979 held without bail he's tried convicted and sentenced to death for robin samso's murder but the verdict is overturned because jurors had been improperly informed of his prior sex crimes no um so then in 1986 seven years later they retry him for the same it's the identical trial um except for omission of the prior record and he's convicted again and sentenced to death again.
[690] And the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals panel nullifies the second conviction.
[691] Why?
[692] In part because a witness was not allowed, who was not allowed no sorry, a witness was not allowed to support Alcala's contention that the park ranger who found Samso's body had been quote hypnotized by police investigators.
[693] So there was somebody that wanted to Alcala said this park ranger was hypnotized by the police that's why he's saying this happened he had a friend who was going to back him up and they were like no your friend doesn't get to say that and then they find once they find that out there like the whole thing has to go so they keep getting it like on these weird um little details all right and this goes I mean he's in prison the whole time though right he is yeah he's held with about bail.
[694] I'm not sure.
[695] If you ask me details about this, I'm not going to be able to tell you.
[696] I threw this together so quickly.
[697] But this is the kind of thing.
[698] You can look up his name and watch 1 ,000 shows about him.
[699] Because he's, he, basically they say he's like, because of these pictures and the cold cases that they believe are associated with these pictures, he's only, he only goes to jail for, um, for murders, but they think he, he's responsible for over a hundred.
[700] they just can't prove it over a hundred worse he's he's one of the worst serial killers ever and he's still alive yeah and in jail doesn't he keep um appealing i keep seeing him in i keep seeing him getting older and older in like news photos okay with that crazy hair um well he does he has all these and and it's crazy because he's again one of those geniuses that's like at one point he represents himself and and then cross -examines himself and is talking in a deep voice as one person and then his own voice and the other like it's that kind of total insanity thing that you you know it's what that's Ted Bundy he represented himself they all kind of think like it's they just think you're invincible and that they're the smartest people in the world but essentially in 2003 Orange County investigators they learned alcohol as DNA had matched seamen left at the rape murder scenes of two women in Los Angeles.
[701] And that's when they start linking cold case DNA to this guy.
[702] And it led to his indictment for the murders of four additional women.
[703] Jill Barcombe, who was 18, a New York runaway who was found rolled up like a ball in a Los Angeles ravine in 1977.
[704] They thought she was a victim of the Hillside Stranglers.
[705] Georgia Wickstead, 27, who was bludgeoned in her Malibu apartment in 1977.
[706] which is super weird because Malibu is so fucking tony and high end and this is that thing of like that the sister Cirros heiress who he clearly was able to like be in and out a very tony high end places and with those kind of people yeah you don't break into a like high end Malibu location no you talk your way in like I feel weird at the Starbucks in Malibu you just feel like you don't belong totally and they know it Charlotte Lamb was 31.
[707] She was raped and strangled in the laundry room of her El Segundo apartment complex in 1978 and Jill Parento who was 21 who was killed in her Burbank apartment in 1979 and all of these bodies were found posed in carefully chosen positions which I think then they eventually led to understanding that he was posing them and taking pictures of them.
[708] Oh my God.
[709] And they found another pair of earrings in the Seattle storage locker that matched Charlotte Lamb's DNA.
[710] So they're kind of, it all starts hooking back over and over.
[711] So eventually the police find a collection of more than a thousand photographs, and they're mostly of women and teenage boys in sexually explicit poses.
[712] In his third trial in 2003, prosecutors enter a motion to join the SAMHSAO charges with those of the four newly discovered victims.
[713] And so his attorneys, of course, try to contest it like you basically saying you can give benefit of the doubt or whatever they call.
[714] Reasonable doubt for one, but you can't do it with four.
[715] But they ruled in the prosecution's favor and in February of 2010, he stood trial on five joined charges.
[716] I can't believe it was so recent.
[717] I know.
[718] that weird?
[719] It seems like it should have been so long ago this happened.
[720] Because he was doing it for so fucking long.
[721] But I think it was a thing of they had him on one and he was in jail for one and then suddenly it was that DNA era that came through and it was like all the sudden.
[722] And that's what that was when all those specials come out.
[723] Right.
[724] In the late 90s were like they just found this guy.
[725] Yeah.
[726] A lot of them have that feel to it of like this guy.
[727] Pardon me. When he, when he was his own lawyer, he showed the jury a portion of his 1978 appearance on the dating game in an attempt to prove that the earrings that were found in that Seattle locker were his own and not Samso's.
[728] And they end up bringing Jed Mills, Bachelor number two, to this trial so that he can say, I would have remembered if a guy was wearing earrings.
[729] It was in 1979 he was not wearing earrings.
[730] What the fuck?
[731] Yeah.
[732] It is that crazy.
[733] And then eventually, they get Talia the eight -year -old girl that he had raped in the late 60s and she comes and testifies so that they can keep this guy in jail.
[734] Holy shit.
[735] In March 2010, the Huntington Beach in New York City Police Departments released 120 of his photographs seeking the public's help to identify the people in them in hope of determining if any of the women and children he photographed were additional victims.
[736] There are 900 additional photos that could not be made public because they were too sexually explicit.
[737] So he was like a fucking hideous, kiddie porn, you know, like pornographer, exploitive pig, obviously.
[738] Wow.
[739] The police reported that approximately 21 women had come forward to identify themselves.
[740] And six families said that they believe they recognized loved ones who had disappeared.
[741] years ago and were never found they saw their missing loved ones in these photos but none of the photos were unequivocally connected to a missing person case or an unsolved murder until 2013 when a family member recognized the photo of Christine Thornton who was 28 whose body was found in Wyoming in 1982 I did not even hear about this yeah and as of September 2016 last year 110 of those original photos remain posted online, and the police continue to solicit the public's help with further identifications.
[742] Let's all go to them right fucking now.
[743] In 2016, he was charged with this 1977 murder of a woman who was identified through one of those photos.
[744] And just in closing, which I find fascinating and interesting, his diagnoses when he was in court, the psychiatrist diagnosed him as having a narcissist.
[745] personality disorder and malignant narcissistic personality disorder with psychopathy and sexual sadism comorbidities jesus comorbidities that's the fucking trifecta you don't you don't want to end up with you don't want the word comorbidities anywhere near you no uh do you want to know what what it means it's the presence of one or more additional diseases or disorders co -occurring including morbid including liking dead bodies maybe and I think morbid just is like gruesome or something we'll have to ask Guy Brana we will have to ask I'm sure everyone will tell us on Twitter that was not the greatest version of trying to tell the Rodney Al -Kal story no that was very um that was very detailed did I do all right you did a great timeline really interesting I had some personal information to share as well, you know what I mean?
[746] It actually gets worse than that and I'll tell you afterwards but oh no I know I know um yeah it was a good story uh well I just recommend anybody that's if you are slightly interested take a deep dive because he is uh really horrifying and and kind of like another one of those lesser known but very uh depraved and horrifying yeah monster people we this was an episode of monster people monster people for sure people from the depths of fucking hell yeah and plus the dating game plus the dating game plus the pacific northwest is always got a mix in there somehow you know it just has to be in there um it's depressing uh how about a good thing how about a good thing how about it i did my apartment my new apartment last time it's beautiful thank you i really like it why don't you do oh no i did the jacuzzi cat last time jacuzzi cat and i saw your picture on my instagram jacuzzi cat is real Hard Stark is my Instagram, and there's a fucking sweet picture of jacuzzi cat, who I've seen since.
[747] Gus, the jacuzzi cat is legit, and he's so chill.
[748] Legit in the real deal.
[749] Yes.
[750] I guess I've already bragged now twice at you about my best thing, but my best thing is just, it's so fun to work on a job.
[751] Right now, it's just fun to perform again on TV.
[752] It's really fun to have fake eyelashes on.
[753] all day long.
[754] I love peg eyelashes.
[755] Aren't they the best?
[756] Oh my God, they make you feel like a queen.
[757] Yeah, it's pretty fun.
[758] And for me, like, it's just a period of, I just didn't think I was going to be performing anymore.
[759] And like, 10 years ago, if you would ask me, if any of these things would be happening, I'd be like, you're insane.
[760] I'm stuck in an office building in Burbank, and I will never leave here.
[761] So I'm very, I feel grateful and, like, kind of just excited and I don't know.
[762] No, I'm happy.
[763] I feel fingernails, fingernails, finger nails about it.
[764] What's that I mean?
[765] Oh, because your nails then.
[766] Like kind of fancy and like, oh yeah, maybe I should have a manicure.
[767] Like, maybe I should try.
[768] You need to.
[769] I've been in like a bit, I've said this a million times, but I've been in a, I've been in a cave for almost a decade.
[770] And look at you coming out of it.
[771] Look at me out of the cave.
[772] I love it.
[773] And it's all because of nails, probably.
[774] The thing I love is, and I tried about it, is I've been posting political stuff on Instagram and Twitter.
[775] And you know, scary it is to do that because you're immediately like refreshing to see people saying mean stuff to you.
[776] But so many people have been saying really nice things.
[777] And the ACLU is a fucking entity that I'm so happy to donate to and to and are fighting for us.
[778] And so I started crying when I saw all the like positive comments from people on my political posts.
[779] I just want to read one thing because you wrote this tonight and I retweeted it.
[780] Oh, I know.
[781] Thank you.
[782] Um, because it's beautifully written and it's exactly right with all this stuff that's happening in our country right now, which is incredibly scary.
[783] And I have a lot of friends who like talk about it all the time.
[784] We're like, I don't know what to do.
[785] This is insane.
[786] This is insanity.
[787] This is so scary.
[788] And you, you tweeted this tonight.
[789] You said, we have an amazing opportunity to atone for the atrocities past generations inflicted on those deemed different and undesirable.
[790] And then you did the hashtag love Trump's hate.
[791] And it really feels like that's what's happened.
[792] right now is those people that are fucking taken to the streets who when somebody puts down a Muslim ban in order to say that certain people can't come to this fucking country people immediately show up in the streets going no fucking way that's and to see it happening I mean that I sat in the grocery store parking lot staring at my phone for an hour and crying and going holy all these people it's so empowering and like up until like a week ago I was not looking at articles.
[793] I was feeling so beat down.
[794] And maybe it's because my, uh, my, uh, my, uh, lexapro got doubled.
[795] I don't know.
[796] But suddenly I'm feeling really like positive and empowered and not scared of reading these articles and like excited to be part of it.
[797] We've been told for a year that the majority wants this.
[798] Yeah.
[799] And basically people are showing up in the streets to say, the majority does not want this.
[800] I am here to say I don't want this.
[801] It's an amazing beautiful thing and you see it now the thing that people are tweeting tonight is showing all these people that are protesting at these airports and they're protesting at airports in the middle of the country people keep tweeting oh look at these um look at these coastal elites in the middle of kansas in the middle of uh you know wherever they were it was like the it was like a joke a couple different people made the coastal elites joke because it was a airport in texas it was an airport in Wyoming.
[802] Well, you know, it's so great, too, is that I feel like for years in every administration, there's been so many things that should, that people are up and arms about and that everyone's like, what do we do about this?
[803] And nobody's protested because it's, you don't know what to do.
[804] It's not big enough.
[805] There's not enough people.
[806] There's not this army to protest with.
[807] And suddenly it feels like we're not letting these things happen now.
[808] And there's definitely things that in the past should have been protested like this and haven't been.
[809] 100%.
[810] And now everyone knows there is a way.
[811] for every single person to get involved.
[812] And it's kind of, it's empowering to when everyone's like, I don't know what to do.
[813] And it's like, here are five things you can do.
[814] Just go online and there's protests.
[815] You can donate money.
[816] You can donate time.
[817] You can, you know, tweet something.
[818] Make phone calls.
[819] It's just, there's a lot to do.
[820] You can express yourself.
[821] But it is very, I love the fact that it kind of kicked off with the women's march and all the women's marches being five times bigger than they all, they thought any of them were going to be.
[822] But then this, these areas.
[823] airport protests watching, and it's people I know that are out there, watching people show up by the thousands to say you cannot do this to people is beautiful.
[824] And that's what we have to remember.
[825] That's what we have to remember.
[826] That's the majority.
[827] Yeah.
[828] That is truly the majority.
[829] And maybe, again, maybe it's a lexapro, but I'm fucking over my fear and anxiety of protesting.
[830] Like, I'll be out there.
[831] Oh, being in a crowd.
[832] Yeah.
[833] It's hard to be in a crowd.
[834] I know.
[835] But it's necessary now.
[836] Now I realize it's fucking necessary.
[837] And I don't care if I get a little overwhelmed by it.
[838] Well, it could be beautiful too.
[839] Yeah.
[840] All right.
[841] Let's be there.
[842] We'll see you guys there.
[843] Yeah.
[844] Thanks for listening.
[845] Go to my favorite murder .com.
[846] If you are so inclined, I don't know, we're on Twitter and Instagram and face.
[847] I don't know.
[848] Thanks for listening.
[849] I mean, you don't do any of those things.
[850] We just appreciate you listening.
[851] We really appreciate you listening and please stay sexy.
[852] And don't get murdered.
[853] Bye.
[854] Elvis, you want a cookie?
[855] Yeah, you want cookie?
[856] Mimi, it's your big chance.
[857] Do you want a cookie?
[858] Mimi, you want a cookie?
[859] That was Elvis.
[860] All right.
[861] And Steven, thank you for being awesome.