#1249 - Donnell Rawlings

[0] Oh shit.

[1] I think fall off those pieces of shit.

[2] See, this is when you're too fancy, bro.

[3] Yeah, they get too fancy.

[4] Yeah, whatever.

[5] We got another one.

[6] Oh, I live already?

[7] I hit when you said go.

[8] Whoops, sorry.

[9] Cheers, sir.

[10] Thank you.

[11] My pleasure.

[12] My pleasure.

[13] Donno, we were talking about the different kinds of comedians that there really are.

[14] Like, meme comedians, they're comedians.

[15] They have a special skill.

[16] It's a different thing.

[17] They have a special skill set.

[18] In fact, one of my closest friends bearded humor, he's like, I would say if he was a stand -up comic, he would probably be in my top five in terms of creativity, in terms of talking about things in the moment and just all -out funny.

[19] You know, the skill set for stand -up now, I used to be, I started 25 years ago, it used to be the only way you proved yourself as a person with any type of comedic integrity while I was on stage standing, flat -footed in front of an audience, that you probably don't want you to be funny or have no idea you're going to be funny.

[20] But these mean people in Photoshop, especially because our attention is so quick and so drawn to social media, people, I don't even know if people are as excited about stand -up as they used to be.

[21] and now it's excited about what's going to be the newest thing, what's going to be the hottest photo, the Photoshop, and what's going to be the hottest image.

[22] Well, that's the easiest to get, right?

[23] It's easier to get it on your phone.

[24] You get those images, the Photoshop's and the memes that are funny that hit you immediately.

[25] But I think right now, I mean, especially when you go to the store, don't you think there's, like, more people interested in stand -up now than ever?

[26] Yeah.

[27] But it's so, we're in a tricky place now.

[28] People are interested in it, but people are so, they're more critical of stand -up now more than ever.

[29] ever.

[30] It used to be a time when you could just say what you wanted, and people say that person was outspoken, outraged, but they were themselves.

[31] But now you tell one joke, one blogger, one troller, dissect your jokes, and print your jokes.

[32] Don't do the setup.

[33] Don't do the callback.

[34] Don't do the tag.

[35] And next thing you know, you offended somebody.

[36] Yeah.

[37] But I think with a lot of events that happened today that are happening now, comedy is going to start taking a shift back to people with honest voices.

[38] I think so too.

[39] I think there's a direct backlash to like political correct thinking and the type of policing that you're seeing.

[40] And you're being policing.

[41] I mean, I understand policing stuff in the Catholic Church, police and stuff in a regular church, but you go to a comedy club to police, you're in the wrong place.

[42] and nine times out of ten people that go to a comedy show that walk out and protest their mindset was to protest before they even went there they're just waiting for the trigger word just like well I never and they'll leave well it's a way to get a lot of attention you know being outraged at something especially if you kind of have a point like if you could you could articulate that point it's a great way to get attention with the troders and the people that yeah I mean there's a giant market for that like if you think of like if you're a comic and you're a famous comic and you're outspoken, you know, and someone could take your bit and take it apart like they've done with Chappelle many times, right?

[43] But Chappelle owns it so much.

[44] He owns it.

[45] I was just with him, and I've never seen a guy that flips our sets over.

[46] Like, he's just writing another five -minute bit.

[47] That's weird, right?

[48] But the thing is now, I've watched some of his new stuff and things he's doing now.

[49] He's going to lead to charge for comedians having a voice.

[50] I did a show with him at the story recently, and at the end of it, he said, If comedians nail more than ever, you need to grab your boss because it's our job to talk about the things that are bad in this world.

[51] Yeah.

[52] And we are the best people for it.

[53] Well, it's the last line of free speech.

[54] It's the last real line of free speech because you don't have a real boss.

[55] Right.

[56] Like when you go on stage, it's no one's, no one gives you a single word of direction.

[57] Right.

[58] You know, that's, that's a very unusual place to be in in terms of entertainment.

[59] And it's something that reaches, especially with someone like Dave.

[60] millions and millions and millions of people every time he does a Netflix special every time somebody he does anything that's filmed it's going to hit millions of people have no one telling you what to do no one no one giving you any input and then when they try to tell you what to do you resist to anything you do what you want to do he's a real comic he's a real comic but you have that I've been following you for a while I've been a comedy store for years I'm always in the cut and I've seen you do some material like how the fuck does he get away with this I know how because he fucking owns it.

[61] I really believe what I'm saying in a lot of ways.

[62] Like in other things, it's obvious that I don't really believe it, but I'm saying it because I think it's funny.

[63] And I think comedy is for us, as much as people are like, oh, I need that.

[64] I think for comedians, it's therapeutic for us too.

[65] Yeah, it's 100%.

[66] Can you imagine the situation?

[67] You have an argument with your wife or somebody, and you can't go on stage that night just to talk about how pissed off she made you.

[68] Yeah.

[69] That's our outlet.

[70] Yeah.

[71] So as much as people get stuff out of us, when you come to a show we get now our psychiatric exam right on the spot Yeah also like you could complain about some shit Right you can complain about someone saying something Or you could turn it into a bit And you can get hundreds of people just die and laughing I've had some conflicts online One of them with a bunch of vegans Conflict so you entertain somebody You try to be You're like I don't got time for it I'm not going to entertain Every once in a while you just want to punch a troll Well, I would read the comments.

[72] That was the problem.

[73] Occasionally you read the comments.

[74] holy shit.

[75] Like, people just want you dead because, you know, anyway, I had this whole thing in my act about chasing down the hashtag vegan cat.

[76] Somebody wrote some mean shit to me. And this hashtag vegan cat.

[77] I was like, what the fuck is that?

[78] I went there in this whole community of people feeding their cats vegetables.

[79] And, but in doing this and like tracking this down and, like, it makes you really I was like, okay, I've got to write a bit about this, because I could just get mad.

[80] It's easy.

[81] It writes itself.

[82] It writes itself.

[83] I could just get mad and be upset that someone's being mean to me, or turn this shit into fuel.

[84] Or you could just go fucking just destroy the whole vegan community.

[85] There's nothing, it's nothing wrong with vegans.

[86] The problem is the same shit as every other group.

[87] I don't really know too many vegans that aren't assholes, bro.

[88] I know some vegans that aren't assholes.

[89] I don't know.

[90] Rich Roll, he's a great guy.

[91] John Joseph, he's a great guy.

[92] Neil Brennan, he's a vegan.

[93] He's an asshole.

[94] He's a little bit of an asshole.

[95] Oh, man, Neil Brennan is a mother.

[96] fucking prick what are you talking about you can tell when people are turning to ass when the asshole is embodying them yeah especially people wear glasses because they have like million different frames oh that's when you're at the next level of being an asshole when you switch your glasses up but neil brinan is a vegan he's one of those I don't think vegans should be allowed to go to a barbecue and complain they all come to a fucking barbecue they got their patties they're upset if you've been cooking meat on a grill that was designed to cook dead animals and they get upset so all vegans are assholes I'm sorry it's not all of them but I see what you're saying all the ones that I know and then because when they make their transition they can't just become vegans they got to they just got to let you know I'm vegan now they can't wait until you say dinner is it vegan options it's vegan vegan they just can't do it They got to make an announcement and they got to let everybody know that I'm a vegan and now and I'm an asshole.

[97] They think they're saving the world.

[98] And the worst is a vegan that always gets colds.

[99] Yo, whenever I see Neil Britton coughing, whenever I see him call, I say, so how is that vegan life going?

[100] You fucking flu -haven -ass motherfucker.

[101] I always say that's Ian Edwards.

[102] I'm like, dude, you look tired.

[103] You look exhausted.

[104] I take pictures of Ian.

[105] Every time we fly together and he falls asleep, I take pictures of him.

[106] just sitting there.

[107] I'm like, look at Ian.

[108] He needs some goddamn B -12 in your diet.

[109] Get a steak in your motherfucking diet.

[110] He said he would eat meat, but he would only eat elk that I killed.

[111] He said he would eat some elk meats.

[112] I'm going to cook him some elk meat.

[113] We should film it.

[114] He'll probably like bounce around like super person.

[115] Like he's been eating nothing but lentils for the last 20 years.

[116] Elk, where does one go to even shoot an elk?

[117] Utah.

[118] Colorado has a lot of them.

[119] There's some of them in California.

[120] How do you do that?

[121] transport is there a loss can you transport your kill or you have to break it down wherever wherever you kill it you uh you have to have uh first of all you have a tag and then when you when you have a tag you're allowed to get a certain kind of animal so say if it's like a you have a a buck deer tag that means you can kill a male deer and then once you kill it then you break it down and you either bring it to a butcher shop and they turn it into cuts for you or you could do it yourself and wrap it up.

[122] But you have to have a tag, you have to register that you kill that animal, and you have to keep that with you, that paperwork with you.

[123] So if you transport the meat across state lines and some game warden pulled you over and said, do you have a deer in your car?

[124] And you do, sir, do, sir.

[125] He's got to see that you have the paperwork for it.

[126] I don't want to sound racist at all, but I don't know a black person that could tell that story that you just told about killing butchering up and transporting a dead animal Yeah that's what you have to do That's how you do it You got to put them on ice I mean you have an obligation To try to save the meat You know When you have an animal It's down You want to get it into Like a packaged form As quick as possible You want to break it down Sometimes Dude sometimes people hang things They hang things in their garage In the cold Too so You mentioned the word Hanging all I think about is Jesse Sommelette.

[127] Oh my God.

[128] Talk about setting a whole bunch of people back in one interview.

[129] Crazy story.

[130] Interesting.

[131] Such a mess.

[132] It's a mess.

[133] And I think it was really awful about it because his story, it was like good and bad of it.

[134] The good of it was when people thought that he was violated and he was a victim of a hate crime.

[135] It wasn't just gay people there was a rushing to support him.

[136] It was like thug dudes.

[137] You know what I'm saying?

[138] It was like some real motherfuckers.

[139] There was like, I mean, I saw Exhibit, make a comment.

[140] It was a community of people away from the LBG community that thought it was really fucked up.

[141] Yeah.

[142] And that was the beauty of the incident because it kind of brought people together.

[143] But the fuck the thing about it, it was just a lie.

[144] And it's so fucking unfortunate.

[145] It's so unfortunate somebody would play on people's emotions for or to benefit themselves.

[146] It's awful.

[147] Well, there's a certain narcissism that exists in show business that I think you and I both know very well.

[148] You know, we've all seen it.

[149] And thankfully, the people that seem to be the best, for whatever reason, they have some of the best handles on it.

[150] Like, Dave doesn't show any of that.

[151] Right.

[152] But there's some people that do.

[153] And that narcissism is weird.

[154] that wanting it to be all about them and they'll do sneaky shit like fake and attack like that's a symptom of that same kind of thinking it just got desperate and went in some crazy way it was awful for a reason because you have people like when I first went down you had people that normally people that you look at okay that's my friend or whoever you started having side eyes and that's just it's just it's so messed up and I think also it's messed up as much as people rode for him when they thought that it was an injustice or anything nobody's really talk about it nobody's addressing it like you know what this is our movement these are things that we're trying to progress toward but this was an isolated incident and just say how awful it was yeah you know the beautiful thing is that people are way more tolerant than they ever have been before also beautiful things attack didn't happen right so we don't have to think of one more atrocious thing that people have done to another person for no reason so that's good and it's also good that you get to see where that kind of stuff heads where you're always looking to be a victim to the point where you realize there's like some sort of currency in being a victim so people fake being a victim so they can get all this fucking attention it's good for us it's good for us to see because you see that now next time a story comes around that's just a little fishy you're going to second guess it exactly it's like the boy cry wolf and that's what's unfortunate about it because anytime someone says that they were a victim of such a heinous crime like that you want to believe them you want to believe them the minute they said but with this incident it makes you start second guess the thing and that's another thing that was awful about the whole thing.

[155] And all the smoke he's getting right now that he deserved?

[156] Because I've been tearing his ass up on Instagram.

[157] Yeah.

[158] On everything.

[159] He deserves every bit of it.

[160] He knows he deserves it.

[161] Everybody knows he deserves it.

[162] I read a story once about this dude who said that he punished his daughter by making her sit in the backyard by a tree and then he went out there an hour later and she was gone and he suspected that coyotes got her.

[163] And I remember thinking that story going, man, that just does not sound real.

[164] That does not sound real.

[165] It just seems weird.

[166] Yeah, you...

[167] This guy left a baby in the backyard and coyotes got it, like really?

[168] Well, it was like a new, like a not walking or anything?

[169] Like, well, he left the baby, like to punish the baby, like a two -year -old, left it in the yard.

[170] Well, it turns out he really didn't do that.

[171] The kid died and he had stuffed it in some drainage ditch somewhere.

[172] So this, I don't remember how the kid died and what was the reason for it, but it was one of those stories where you hear the story like, Jesus, this doesn't sound real.

[173] Sometimes stories don't sound real.

[174] Yeah.

[175] the next thing we're going to be second guessing everything well I hope not but when it first went down I thought it was a I thought it was a situation where Lee Daniels and Jesse sat down in a writer's room and Lee Daniels like anybody got any ideas for any new episodes and just like I got one nobody's going to believe look I'm going to be hungry and shit right I'm going to go to subway to get a 12 inch foot long and Lee Daniels like I believe that I believe that And then he went through the whole story and Lee Dan, you said to him, nobody's going to believe it.

[176] Jesse got upset and told Lee Danes, we'll see, I'm going to shoot it myself.

[177] And he walked himself into that whole scenario.

[178] And it's just awful.

[179] That's entirely possible.

[180] That's what it sounds like.

[181] It sounds like.

[182] Now you're going to say, now anybody that was a fan of Empire, which I know a lot of people that's listening were being very sarcastic when I say that.

[183] They're going to be like second guess, the storyline of so many of those shows, the storylines of everybody who ever said that they were.

[184] done wrong or anything the awful thing about this is now people are going to be ready and quick to just second guess anything that you say.

[185] Yeah, that's a fact.

[186] Until we can read each other's minds until we can find out for sure.

[187] That's going to change the whole game.

[188] Be it and read somebody's mind?

[189] Yeah.

[190] That's definitely going to eliminate a lot of street fights.

[191] Most of them.

[192] I mean, you talk about your imminent dangerous senses are going to be 100 % if you can read somebody's mind.

[193] Yeah, yeah.

[194] I don't know want to do that i do i like having secrets i'm all in i like having secrets too but i like going all in i think all in i think i think it's just inevitable we were talking about it in the last podcast about there's something they're going to be able to shoot into your neck what did he say the way you described it some like an injection that will take over sort of well it's but the way it interacts with your brain cells thread itself in your brain cells so literally like having i think we're going to have built -in wifi internet systems where we're connected to each other's heads.

[195] So this is what people request was like a study they're going to try out on people.

[196] Or you can just go to your doctor and say, shoot me with the brain shit.

[197] I think eventually it's going to be shoot me with the brain shit.

[198] First you've got to get it on in a clinical trial.

[199] First you've got to be able to be a big.

[200] Well, who do you get for that?

[201] Like, your heroin addicts or crackheads?

[202] Who do you get for that?

[203] Like, who is close to no brain cells and shit?

[204] And that's the one we try it on.

[205] What was that movie?

[206] There was a movie where a dude got shot and they put some chip in his back.

[207] Upgrade.

[208] Upgrade.

[209] Yeah.

[210] Yeah, and it did that to him.

[211] It turned to be, he, like, had access to all the information.

[212] He knew martial arts.

[213] He knew how to move, and everything was happening.

[214] Like, he was basically like a supercomputer inside of a person that could do everything.

[215] Artificial intelligence is right down the line.

[216] Dude, they're talking about this shit, shooting it into your brain.

[217] We're going to share a network.

[218] We're all going to be on a network.

[219] Well, there's going to be a lot of white people joining that effort because black people don't fuck with needles, bro.

[220] We don't do none of that.

[221] Unless it's heroin, we don't take out needles.

[222] It was like that, bro.

[223] I'm telling you, you say that, but how many athletes are on steroids?

[224] Yeah, but that's a different, that's a different animal.

[225] I'm talking about the average black dude, Brooklyn Brownsville or watch or something like that.

[226] Yo, I got this new brain shit.

[227] We ejected through a needle.

[228] They're going to fuck you up.

[229] They don't want to hear that shit.

[230] That's hilarious.

[231] And that's probably true.

[232] I mean, how many people are going to try that?

[233] Like, who's going to be the earliest adopter getting a shot in your neck that lets you read everybody's mind?

[234] And then what are you going to do with it?

[235] It's an interesting thing.

[236] It's going to fuck our job up, man. Because, like, half of what we do is say shocking shit that people know is kind of true, but you can't believe you're saying it.

[237] And then, you'll have people to audience like, oh, not the old Winter's Subway joke coming up.

[238] If you could do that, that'd be the ultimate fucking joke hater right there.

[239] Oh, yeah.

[240] Two guys walk in a bar.

[241] You don't got anything other than that?

[242] No, I think I'll have to pass on that.

[243] Keep it, bro.

[244] Yeah, it's going to be weird.

[245] When would you get it?

[246] Like, would you want to be the first comedian to have it?

[247] No. You almost want to be a fool who doesn't have it If you want to be a comedian, yeah, yeah I want to watch other motherfuckers do it first Yeah, oh yeah I'll sit in the back But the problem is they're gonna fucking take over Like finances like instantly As soon as they upload their brand They're like, oh, just gonna get all this money I'm gonna figure out a way to get all this fucking money And then by the time you shoot it into your head They've already got the system locked down But see, that's you have different level of people That you hang out with Because your level, your level would be like How are we'll get the money But my level would be like, yo, we got this brain shit How are we gonna get some ass off of this dog?

[248] You can get it You'll be more clever If you can read a broad mind You can all to ask you want All of it Yeah you would know But then it wouldn't be fun Like half the fun Is not knowing if somebody likes you Right You don't know what's gonna happen Here is this gonna work out How was that movie with Mel Gibson Or he could read women's minds What women want And they re -made it right now It's coming out Really?

[249] I've seen the billboard That's hilarious Taraji Henson And Tracy Morgan That's hilarious Tracy Morgan I had a conversation With Mel Gibson the other day On the phone It was one of the weirdest Things in my life I'm just happy You know I have friends they're going to say that.

[250] See, you have a lot of sentences, my friends, can't use.

[251] Yeah, you know how you kill them?

[252] You know how you kill an elk?

[253] All right, here's the difference between the buck and so -and -so.

[254] You got a trigger one time.

[255] And then it's like, oh, it accounts, yeah, so I'm on the phone with Mel Gibson the other day.

[256] I was on the phone with Ray Ray Ray, right?

[257] Well, I'd rather be on the phone with Ray Ray, right?

[258] But not, it's not bad to talk to Mel Gibson.

[259] It's like, okay.

[260] He's a regular, he's a dude.

[261] He's a guy.

[262] He's Mel Gibson.

[263] Bill Gibson.

[264] But you go like, fucking for real?

[265] Like you're talking to him.

[266] You're like, for real?

[267] It's a real conversation with Mel Gibson.

[268] Yeah, that would be very interesting.

[269] And I've never run into him.

[270] He's a super nice guy.

[271] He did a podcast to talk about the stem cell doctor that helped his dad.

[272] Oh, yeah?

[273] He came on for Dr. Neil Reardon.

[274] He's this guy in Dallas that treats people down in Panama.

[275] He's got this radical stem cell therapy that you can't get in America.

[276] And it fixed.

[277] Mel Gibson's dad was 92 and he was in a wheelchair.

[278] And now he's 100 and he's walking around.

[279] What's the issue with stem cell situation in America's?

[280] I don't hear too much.

[281] The last time, and I'm not probably as knowledge as you are, but wasn't Christopher Reeves trying to promote more stem cell research?

[282] I'm sure he was.

[283] Yeah, he had that spinal cord injury from a horse accident.

[284] He was doing those horse jumps.

[285] Yeah.

[286] South Park thing, remember?

[287] I don't remember.

[288] You just talking to the next level of a set?

[289] They're eating dead babies to, like, get the stem cells.

[290] I was like 12 years old.

[291] As soon as you said South Park, when I was like, this is going to take a bad turn.

[292] They go bad.

[293] Yeah, maybe an episode about rape on South Park.

[294] They don't give a fuck.

[295] They're the best.

[296] They're also pushing the boundaries.

[297] They're the ones out there that are promoting, like, ridiculous, preposterous comedy that's completely offensive but brilliant.

[298] That's one of the things that when we were doing the Chappelle show, the one of the things I appreciate more than anything about that show was how it brought people to all racist, all back.

[299] backgrounds together to do the thing that we all should have in common and that's to laugh and also to not push the button but touch on racial stuff without having an angry undertone and that's what's so fucked up about America now whenever you talk about race it feels like one side somebody has to be tense yeah you know what I'm saying it's never like a comfortable state it's never like and I know things are intense but we we have to be able to laugh first once you get people to laugh you can talk about whatever you want.

[300] And then even if a person is not in agreement or have the same thoughts, at the end the day, you should be able to respect that person.

[301] And I think those same people should be able to share laugh.

[302] Yeah.

[303] And there was a fun, silly, non -aggressive quality to the way you guys put together sketches that got the point across and everybody laughed.

[304] Everybody laughed.

[305] And when I drove to this day, when I travel, when I do my audiences, it's interesting because of course you would think I'm going to draw a certain audience because I'm black, which I, you know, which I am and I do, but it's weird I can go to places and it's straight up like Dave call them the muddy boot motherfuckers you know what I'm saying like the muddy boot motherfuckers the money boots they got John Deer right you know what I'm saying they know all that elk shit you're talking about you know them John Deerers know all that shit they probably call it right now and say no Joe I think you got that wrong you gotta cut the heart from the ins you know you got to go left the right you know what I'm saying and I notice I have those people and then I have hood people but it's just it's just when you can look out and this is what that show did when you can look out in the audience and you say you have all of America there it was the best sketch comedy show in the history of television I think I think in living color is very very very overlooked people forget how goddamn groundbreaking and groundbreaking and it was right and both of them like it's wherever I go people always they always bring it up it's a big point in my career but I was like every I don't know what happens every 10 years there are 15 years it comes a time where the audience wants something different.

[306] They sick, shit watered down.

[307] Yeah.

[308] Same way when they're living color, same way when Deaf Comedy Jam came out.

[309] You know, you didn't see a lot of black stand -ups on TV.

[310] But they had this underground circuit that was bubbling, that was bubbling, and it was the right time.

[311] When they pulled that, it was the right time.

[312] And Living Color comes around.

[313] It's the right time.

[314] Yeah.

[315] The Dave Chappelle Show comes around.

[316] It's the right time.

[317] The Richard Parris Show, even though that only lasted three or four episodes, it was the right time.

[318] And it caught on it the right time.

[319] Yeah.

[320] in terms of like groundbreaking sketch comedy shows though like that that that KKK bit where he had the the blind let me tell you something do you understand in the history of sketch nobody has premiered a sketch and came off so hard core the first night as Shepal show as hard as it comes when they ended that shit when we asked why why after all these years it was like because she's a nigger lover I was like I was like that was one of them that was one of the joints I'm like wake up everybody no more sleeping in bed I knew from that moment that this show was going to be on the next level of shows well he was free it was so many months when we did funny thing, a lot of things I used to do I was a warm -up comedian for a Chappelle show so whenever you saw a Chappelle show episode and if you notice that whenever I came on screen and I'm not being cocky people would go nuts they'd be like oh shit and the reason was because I was a guy that warned of the audience before Dave came out so I knew if I go gut the room out at the beginning people don't even nobody knew who I was or anything if I ripped that at the beginning and then when they see me on the screen it's gonna be like it's gonna be big you know and that and that show man it was just like it was just a lot of things happened on that show people like the Rick James sketch the day we played that during the wraparounds man that shit hit so hard I was like this shit is it's fucking crazy funny thing people don't know is that Comedy Central did not like that sketch Comedy Central So, here's the, this guy, it's funny.

[321] Comedy Central didn't like the sketch.

[322] And Commy Central didn't think Charlie Murphy was funny in it.

[323] And I watched, we ran that shit, just to let you know the direction of people think.

[324] I watched that shit six times.

[325] And every time, man, every time you heard Dave say, I'm Rick James, bitch.

[326] It was gut, son.

[327] It was gut, son.

[328] Yo, what did the five fingers say to the face?

[329] Blow!

[330] Where's the last time you had a sketch was getting kids suspended in school?

[331] Right.

[332] People was going to school today teachers.

[333] What did the five things they say?

[334] B 'am!

[335] I'm Rick James, bitch.

[336] All right, Tommy, you suspended for a week.

[337] You and Dave Chappelle go to the fucking timeout room.

[338] It's one of the most iconic sketches of all time.

[339] How wrong was Comedy Central?

[340] I mean, not just a little wrong.

[341] All the way wrong.

[342] All the way wrong.

[343] Almost like suicidal.

[344] It was like, hmm.

[345] But then it goes to show.

[346] It goes to show.

[347] You know how you have a vision with something.

[348] You see it.

[349] Everybody may not see it.

[350] Well, that's the problem with working with executives, too, right?

[351] It's like their vision is different than your vision.

[352] They like to shape you in a certain way.

[353] And I know Dave ran into problems with them wanting them to change language so they could get more sponsors.

[354] Yeah, I think that that wasn't an issue.

[355] And to be quite honest, I don't know exactly what happened.

[356] Everything is speculation.

[357] You never talked to them about it?

[358] Never talked to him about it.

[359] because the reason why I never talked to him about it, because I didn't need to talk to him about it.

[360] You know what I'm saying?

[361] That show was great for me. It was a great, great platform for me. And then it was more important.

[362] My friendship in how he felt away from that was more important than, so why did you leave?

[363] Right.

[364] Where did you go?

[365] You know, first time I saw him, I'm like, as long as you're okay.

[366] Because it's going to be scary for anybody.

[367] One of your closest friends, somebody you work with, all of a sudden just goes to another country you don't hear from him, you know?

[368] But when I first saw him after that, like, I was excited and I was just like, you know, whatever it was, we had a moment, we made history, and people go on, people go on to do other things and just keep it moving.

[369] But that show was really, people always say, Donnell, if it wasn't for the Chappelle show, this and that, the Chappelle show gave me a platform for people to see what I've been doing for years.

[370] And you know, you see talent in the club now, you see a muffled as good as shit, good as shit.

[371] but will they get the right platform for the world to see them?

[372] You know what I'm saying?

[373] And that's kind of separate, you see one person go from one level to the next level, who has the right platform to showcase their talent.

[374] And that show did that for me. And with that said, I gave that show everything.

[375] Every time I had a second on camera, every time, like if you look at two and a half years on that show, if you had an editor break down, how many times I spoke, it would probably be a total of four minutes.

[376] I'll get a word here.

[377] I get a phrase here.

[378] But I told myself, whenever they turn that motherfucker camera, I'm going for it.

[379] Like, even if I'm not talking, I'm going to make my body so expressive that your eyeball draws to with, I remember Neil told me one time, he said, because I always get a mic, because I'll come up with a line or something to throw in.

[380] And we were doing a Rick James sketch, and I didn't have a mic.

[381] I was like, yo, sound.

[382] And Neil said, you're not going to get a mic, bro.

[383] I said, I might, I was like, I might say something.

[384] He was like, you're not going to say anything.

[385] I was like, fuck.

[386] So I told myself, when he smacks this motherfucker, because if you look at that scene, when he smacks, I said, what the fuck?

[387] I was like a, like a Washington Square Park, mine.

[388] I pushed that, I said, what the fuck?

[389] I made my face.

[390] He didn't give me a mic, but I said, what the fuck?

[391] with my face and I always as people always ask about that show and be young actors and stuff like that if you talk to me what do you need to do I was like with anything the best thing to do is figure out a way to get on a set you get on a set you do background you learn you get opportunities you got to be around it you got to get a skill set but when it's time to show up you got to show up you have to show up my fucks talk a lot I want to do this out of there.

[392] And then when they say action, motherfuckers ain't ready to show up.

[393] And every time motherfuckers say action in a situation, you got to show up.

[394] Well, you have a great ability to express yourself on stage and on TV.

[395] Some people feel uncomfortable.

[396] They just like to be cool while they're telling the jokes.

[397] Like, some people have that style.

[398] Like, your style is big, you know?

[399] I appreciate, you know, you ever see Jim Brewer?

[400] Yeah.

[401] I saw Jim Brewer, like, the first time I saw him, we're really young young and my manager jason steinberg says what's up to tell me i said what's up no doubt when i first saw brewer he's so physical and i remember i remember you get tired watching him i know you like i remember jim brood like boston comedy club days yes yes i mean where you i mean that's why when you just mentioned his name i was like yeah which jim brewer are we speaking of your jim bruer i mean even today our dad jim brewer today i mean he's still real energetic but i'm telling you when i tell you i used to i saw him in his super prime he was a murderer and he was he destroyed like shut the light like who's going to do anything after that you know who dude I ate shit following him once one of the worst bombings in my entire career I was I was headlining and Jim was middling we were working together we did and you know milling is a prime spot to fuck somebody up that's a prime spot 2025 we had a good MC too so the emcee was like got the crowd really popping And the middle came on And Jim Just ripped the place apart Right He ripped it apart And I was scared I had a blown out ACL at the time And I was wearing Cavaricies I was wearing like Sexy pants Oh shit That thought I'm like too much information Pause They were these stupid pants And people wore In the 80s man They were tied to the top And they flared out A little on the legs Like MC Hammer pants Almost like a little bit They were pathetic I can't believe I ever owned them But they were in style I don't believe I have that.

[402] That's what I have that image they look like.

[403] Yeah, look at that, bro.

[404] You're not should know elk and them motherfuck.

[405] No, you're not.

[406] I think mine were probably jeans.

[407] The jeans ones like that.

[408] Like, see the far left in the blue right there.

[409] Bam.

[410] Yeah, mine's always like those.

[411] Terrible.

[412] That's awful.

[413] How can I wear those and have a straight face?

[414] And then I had like some nice dress up shirt on and I just ate plates of shit.

[415] But it made me rethink my whole act.

[416] Yeah.

[417] Because it was so, such a humiliating bombing.

[418] Because I knew that the audience was right I wasn't being funny I was nervous and scared Think about it Those are the moments That make you 100 % And like now I see a comedy Like I go to some clubs My fucker's trying to do the line up Kind of soft like Well we can't put that person In front of that person Because they won't be able to follow Blah blah blah But it should be a point Like when I started like The baddest motherfuckers in the game They went on stage Yeah And if you was a new jack coming up How are you going to have a defining moment in comedy?

[419] You've got to go behind somebody.

[420] Anybody can do it.

[421] If you got a hot room, everybody's doing good.

[422] But put that shit behind where you got a motherfucker like a Bill Burr comes in the room and just goes and fucks it up.

[423] What are you going to do?

[424] Flatlines it.

[425] You got to stand up?

[426] Yeah.

[427] We did.

[428] I did a tour with him, Bill, and it's so interesting because I know they have one of those podcasts where the theme is, have you ever had to come behind or the story.

[429] I forget the podcast that does it, but Chris DeLeal was.

[430] If you ever had to come behind?

[431] A story of coming behind someone that just demolished.

[432] Oh, going on after them.

[433] Okay, yeah.

[434] I saw Chris DeLier once.

[435] He said me in that.

[436] But when we were doing Chappelle's show, after the second year's show, we weren't really making a lot of money on Chappelle's show because the show still hadn't been proven.

[437] You know how something you got a, if you got a contract, you got a contract.

[438] That's it.

[439] It's just so happened.

[440] The show blew up before the contract was over, but that don't mean nobody's going to renegotiate.

[441] So we had this popularity, but we weren't making money.

[442] And I came up with the idea of doing a tour called the I'm Rich Bitch Tour.

[443] And at the time, at the time, Charlie was, Charlie Buffy!

[444] Like anywhere he goes.

[445] At the time, Bill Burr was a headliner probably at the time in B rooms.

[446] You know what I'm saying?

[447] And there's no disrespect to him.

[448] But he was on the come up.

[449] But when you saw Bill, you knew this motherfucker was going to be next.

[450] You knew he was going to pop it.

[451] But we still wasn't.

[452] getting no cash.

[453] Charlie had never told jokes.

[454] And I was like, how to fuck you around all these comedies you've never been on stage?

[455] So I used to bully him.

[456] You know, he's tough ass motherfucker, rest in peace.

[457] But I was like, yeah, you're so tough, motherfucker, but not with a microphone in your hand.

[458] And I bullied him so much that he finally went on stage.

[459] And the tour was Charlie with MC.

[460] And all we needed him to do was 10 or 15 minutes.

[461] At the time, me and Charlie, outside of the day were two popular people on the show.

[462] Bill Burr had a couple of sketches, but Bill Burr didn't pop off of the show.

[463] And I was like, but if we're going to do this, let's have a fire show.

[464] You know what I mean?

[465] We could put somebody weak in the middle.

[466] I said, let's give them a show that they won't ever forget.

[467] And Charlie used to come out to 10 or 15 minutes.

[468] And I tell people, they always like, who's the toughest person to follow.

[469] But Charlie would go out do 10, 15 minutes, and Bill Berg will come out and do 20 to 25.

[470] And then I came behind Bill.

[471] Not one night for a year, a whole year.

[472] And Bill Burr's the type of act, you have no days off.

[473] You have no, any of that, any little inkling of being off, you just going to hear, yeah, I like the show, but the white dude was funny as a motherfucker, you know?

[474] And he, and you can tell at that time that Bill Burr was going to be a start, whether it would have been movies or television, but as a stand -up, you know, he was one of the, pound for pound one of the dopers to do it and that tour went on for a fucking year we had a blast yeah bill's brilliant uh i got to work with charlie for we did this maxim tour we did like 22 dates yeah me and him and john hefron we traveled all over the place was it when charlie was starting to do it was he kind of he's like two years in he was two years in at the time and you know people joe people understand how tough it is to start as a comedian as a famous person as a as a as a comedian that you're basically you're open micer just selling out of you know how hard it is all across the country.

[475] Yeah, yeah.

[476] And not only that, but you're Eddie Murphy's brother.

[477] Yeah.

[478] So you've got to fight past all of that shit creating your own identity.

[479] You know what I'm saying?

[480] Like, I cannot imagine like the heat he probably had, yeah, but he ain't Eddie Murphy.

[481] Right.

[482] He ain't Eddie Murphy.

[483] And that's one of the things that when Charlie passed that I really appreciated about what the Chappelle show did for him because when he passed away, nobody said Eddie Murphy's brother died.

[484] Right.

[485] Everybody was like, Charlie Murphy passed away.

[486] So he had his true identity and that was Charlie Murphy.

[487] Yeah, and that was one of his bits.

[488] You know, is it, does it piss you off of people yell, Charlie Murphy?

[489] He goes, no, I'm just happy they're not calling me Eddie Murphy's brother anymore.

[490] That's funny.

[491] I remember that.

[492] That was like at that time.

[493] That was a joke that addressed it.

[494] And he found himself.

[495] He got better.

[496] Yeah.

[497] He got better.

[498] And then he carved his own lane.

[499] He carved his own lane.

[500] Dude, I was with Mauree Smith.

[501] He used to be the UFC heavyweight champion.

[502] And Ivan Salivary, who's a guy who fought in the middleweight division of the UFC and a couple other professional fighters at a table with Charlie Murphy.

[503] And Charlie was explaining how none of these motherfuckers know how to do a Chicago Ridgehand.

[504] He was talking about some karate shit.

[505] Oh, he was big on a karate shit.

[506] But it is like Charlie Murphy's holding court standing up, all these UFC fighters are standing back.

[507] And Charlie Murphy's talking about Ridgehand.

[508] And he knew exactly what he's talking about.

[509] Yeah, he knew how to fight for sure.

[510] He knew martial arts, man. He knew he was big into it, years.

[511] He used to be Eddie's bodyguard when Eddie was right at the height of his stuff.

[512] But Charlie was like martial arts, but everything that he said, it was the truth.

[513] You didn't feel like, oh, this dude is lying.

[514] Everything he said, it was the truth.

[515] And one of the most genuine people you want to meet, man. Just a dope guy.

[516] Yeah, his karate lineage, like he has some sort of.

[517] sort of a connection to some of my friends.

[518] I'd have to ask them, but he was like a legit martial artist, too.

[519] I saw one video of him in a martial arts contest, and it was I don't know what, I don't know, I always told I was like, yo, you knocked a 14 year out, right?

[520] I don't know how he, I don't know if it was a weight or whatever it was, and I was like, yo, that was a fucking kid.

[521] You just knocked out.

[522] He was like, yo, anybody in the ring could fucking get it.

[523] But he was, yo, he was gangster, son.

[524] Why are they putting kids in with him?

[525] I don't know.

[526] He never, I saw the video he never wanted me to talk about it, whatever.

[527] I used to bust his balls about it all the time.

[528] I could tell being around him that he legitimately knew how to fight.

[529] Yeah, you could tell.

[530] The way he carries himself.

[531] Yeah, he just had that scowl.

[532] He just looks like that.

[533] But he was one of the nicest guys, man. He was so fun to be around.

[534] Like, in not knowing him at all and then traveled with him for 22 days.

[535] We had so much fun, man. Oh, man, the stories.

[536] All just laughing and silly and super friendly and...

[537] And all he wanted to do was, man, just have a good time and laugh.

[538] That's all he wanted to do and talk shit and talk shit to me all the time.

[539] And was so happy to be able to do stand -up.

[540] That was a big thing for him, you know, that he could do stand -up and travel around.

[541] I tell him, I tell him all the time, I say, I birthed your career, dude.

[542] Like, I bullied him into this shit.

[543] That's hilarious.

[544] But he did it.

[545] But you could tell, and I've been around him and I've been around his family, and you could tell when he was growing up, he was the guy that always, had to send him attention.

[546] Yeah.

[547] You could just tell that.

[548] Yeah, you could tell.

[549] He knows how to hold a story.

[550] Yes, he does.

[551] That was a hard one, man. When he passed, I was like, I didn't know he was sick.

[552] I had no idea.

[553] You know, it's interesting that you say that because I had to continue to do shows, do radio interviews and stuff, and the thing that people kept saying was he was so young.

[554] He was so young.

[555] And he was young.

[556] But I don't, believe that we're all going to live to be 80, 90, 100, you know.

[557] The only thing we all guarantee, when we're born, we have our born date, we have that dash in the middle, and then we have the end, and it comes down to what the fuck do you do with your dash?

[558] Yeah.

[559] How hard did you live?

[560] What did you go for?

[561] What inspired you?

[562] What motivated you?

[563] What did you do with that dash?

[564] Who the fuck gives a fuck about living to 100, and you don't have a passport?

[565] you haven't been outside of your block you haven't been out you haven't never been on an airplane what are you doing your life and I know Charlie from the point of being in the Navy to being with his brother saying his brother reach a certain height of success being interested about it interested in the business but you know kind of in there but never really made your mark and then you get a platform that you become and get your identity and shit that's the doper shit Yeah, it's one of the best kind of success stories because it doesn't happen automatically.

[566] It's that Frank Sinatra, and I did it my way.

[567] And it's like, you know, people say what they want to say, but he put the work in.

[568] I remember when I think the movie Eddie did called Norbert, right?

[569] And it came from a joke Charlie had to start over that movie.

[570] And I guess, I think him and Eddie was talking whatever.

[571] And then, you know how, oh, that could be, blah, blah, it could be a movie.

[572] And my motherfucker Charlie called me and said, yo, man, I think I'll get this movie deal.

[573] I said, what you're going to do?

[574] He said, I'm about to go lock myself in the hotel for 30 days and write this motherfucker movie.

[575] They already gave me the money.

[576] You know what I'm saying?

[577] I'm talking about, I'm not talking about somebody.

[578] I've been writing this movie for six months or whatever.

[579] It's like I'm about to go, block everything off, and write this shit.

[580] And no matter what anybody wanted to say about how good the movie was, what the critics say, anybody in this business if you can do something where it goes from a thought and it goes to the paper and you can execute it how many motherfuckers can do that they don't do that people talk shit all the motherfucking time but then you say how many you got in the can yo I write movies give me a script oh hold on hold on I'm almost I'm 30 pages in you know what I'm saying how many times you hear that story well there's a lot of that going on I got it I got a great idea all right what is it I remember I was, this when Chappelle's show was popping, and Ludacris gave me a lesson out of nowhere I saw him in the airport.

[581] And I was on Ashley Larry, hard.

[582] I was, I'm, I'm rich, bitch, man. So I'm like, looking rappers, like, we're even, right?

[583] So ludicrous color to the airport.

[584] I was like, yo, Luda!

[585] Right?

[586] He said, what's up?

[587] Ashley?

[588] I said, yo, can the motherfucker get in a movie or something?

[589] Because I just thought that's what you do.

[590] You just ask the motherfucker to get the movie.

[591] I'm like, can the motherfucker get a movie or something?

[592] and he looked at me, Joe, it was so cold.

[593] He looked at me right in my face.

[594] He said, we're looking for people with ideas.

[595] And I looked at him like, well, I have none, right?

[596] So I guess this is this conversation.

[597] And it did.

[598] And when I'm telling you, it was a lesson.

[599] How the fuck you're going to ask for somebody for something and you don't got shit to give him?

[600] Well, a lot of guys in the beginning think that's how you do it.

[601] That's how he do it.

[602] When I was on HBO's The Wire, this motherfucker told me one time he said, Yo, Dee, can you give me the number to the wire?

[603] I think I could do that shit.

[604] This motherfucker thought that there was like a hotline.

[605] From anybody from the streets, you ever thought about being an actor?

[606] You don't want to put those 10 years of getting rejected?

[607] Just call this number and we'll put you on the wire.

[608] You know what gets me about acting, though, is when someone who's never acted before goes in there and kills it.

[609] You know, like people who are, like, athletes in particular, like rappers have done it.

[610] Like, a lot of people have done it.

[611] But some people...

[612] Singers.

[613] A lot of singers.

[614] But some people, I believe that you have natural talents.

[615] Yeah.

[616] I think some people have natural talents.

[617] That person, like, you have a person that's trained that you have people that just are natural.

[618] And then if you think about it, acting is just playing make believe.

[619] So who can play make believe better?

[620] Is it a person that, is it a person that for 12 years they've been studying and they went to the school?

[621] or is a motherfucker that got that one story that one character that they can nail.

[622] Right.

[623] Or is it a case of there's some people that'll do stand -up comedy for 30 years and they're never going to be that funny or Dave could do it for a year and kill you.

[624] Like Chappelle?

[625] Yeah.

[626] Oh yeah, he could kill it.

[627] But he's got this.

[628] But you know what I'm saying?

[629] Yeah.

[630] But there's just a whole different animal and the reason why I say that you're a great comic.

[631] I consider myself a great comic.

[632] I consider you a great comic.

[633] I appreciate it.

[634] And with that said, like, we do have eagles.

[635] Like, as much people talk about somebody, in your mind, you're like, I'm great too, motherfucker.

[636] And I was like, and one day I was watching Dave on stage, and I'm like, what makes this motherfucker great?

[637] And I think, in my opinion, what makes it great is like, it's not too often that we have or opportunity to have a Muhammad Ali moment.

[638] And when I say that, I mean a moment where you got to throw everything on the table.

[639] It's your integrity, your moral beliefs.

[640] What do I want to stand doing?

[641] What do I want to stand for?

[642] And that's how some people get attached to you.

[643] Of course, Muhammad Ali was the greatest, but it wasn't just in the boxing room what made him great is what he stood for.

[644] And I think when I look at Dave Chappelle, I look at his stand -up, and I look at his career, and I say, what made him great?

[645] And that's a person that's standing in a belief is going to give you their unfiltered truth, and they own it.

[646] And don't compromise and don't back down to anything.

[647] Well, he understands what's important about stand -up, especially the type of stand -up that he does.

[648] He has to have full freedom.

[649] Yep, that's how you, I've heard you say shit on stage.

[650] I'm like, that white boy Musk can fight.

[651] Certain white dudes, you're like this.

[652] What the fuck just happened, son?

[653] Like, that motherfucker got some suplex or something.

[654] He knew how to hit you, like, you know, like in a certain part of your neck and your whole shit is fucked up, you know?

[655] But those are people Only Tony I was telling Tony Hinchcliffe Yeah Yeah yeah yeah He was doing this joke about What's the card motherfucker The pedophile dude Oh Jared from Subway Not Jared from Subway He's got a joke about Jared from No he got another other petrified motherfucker Another one Who's the other pedophile?

[656] The other one he's a big actor Big time actor He had a Netflix show Oh oh oh oh oh Spacey The whack off at the bar dude Kevin Spacey Yeah man Tony Oh my God, that bit is crazy.

[657] Man, that bit, and you know what, for me, that bit is so dope.

[658] I'm like this, I'm about to throw up.

[659] Yeah.

[660] I'm like, it's like this.

[661] He won't stop.

[662] Yes, he won't stop.

[663] He owns it.

[664] And I told him, and it was just, like I said, I don't know if it's a movement, but I feel like I was recruiting him for a gang right now.

[665] I saw him in the hallway, I was like, yeah, me and Dave Chappelle was just talking about the brand of comedy that you have, don't lose it.

[666] You know what I'm saying?

[667] Like, stay true to it.

[668] Because as much as people fucking with us, they don't want you to say this, you want to say that.

[669] Again, it's a handful of motherfuckers going to stay to their truth and they're going to be rewarded for that shit because the other shit is just bullshit, man. Can't about tell you what, how the fuck is somebody going to tell you what you think is funny as a comedian?

[670] And, you know, you don't even know if you think it's funny while you're doing it on stage.

[671] You're trying to make it funny.

[672] So there's a lot of stuff that people hear, maybe they only hear it once.

[673] But you know it's funny.

[674] You know it's funny.

[675] you just don't know where the funny is sometimes.

[676] You don't know what it's, the rhythm of it because I know, I don't know what your writing process is, but.

[677] What's yours?

[678] Mine is like, it's a, it's a regular conversation.

[679] Like, I have conversations with friends all day.

[680] It's talking about pop, I mean, topical stuff.

[681] And it's like, you know, people with sense of humor is like, you see the funny side of anything.

[682] Like, did Jesse, Smiley, it's just, Bill Cosby, Smollett, whatever the fuck.

[683] Whatever it is.

[684] All that shit, you think something funny.

[685] So I've never tried to.

[686] to sit down and like, I'm going to write this perfect joke.

[687] It's usually something that comes in a casual conversation, and it's those moments.

[688] You know, you talk to somebody, you'd be like, oh, that's funny.

[689] Usually that's where I start my writing.

[690] Yeah.

[691] If something connects with me like that.

[692] And I just go and believe in it and just force that shit to work.

[693] Yeah, once you get on that stage with that idea and you're in that moment and you have just like, remember, you know, everybody understands the first time you're trying a new bit.

[694] That's one of the weirdest moments ever.

[695] Everybody don't take the chance.

[696] That's one thing I say about you, the time that I've watched you, that I call them pussy comics.

[697] You know, motherfuckers just do a set.

[698] Like, yo, I'm going to fuck somebody after this shit.

[699] Right.

[700] I'm just going to stand outside and hear, good set, good set, good set.

[701] Then you got the motherfuckers like, no, that was a thought from last week.

[702] I got some more shit to talk about.

[703] I got some more shit.

[704] And you push those boundaries.

[705] A lot of people don't do that shit.

[706] You have to.

[707] It's part of the business.

[708] I can't respect them robot motherfuckers, son.

[709] Them robot motherfuckers.

[710] Talk to me. Yo, dumb motherfuckers.

[711] could go to sleep and you wake up and you can indescent, fuck out of here.

[712] We know it work, motherfucker.

[713] Oh, no!

[714] And here comes my closer.

[715] Yo, I'm saving my closer.

[716] You really want to test the motherfucker nuts?

[717] Open with your punk -ass closer, motherfucker.

[718] Open with your closer and we'll see how much strip them other motherfuck get to flip that shit up.

[719] The motherfucker, I call them the brum -psh.

[720] Yes.

[721] Broom -pish.

[722] Go on.

[723] They got scared, and then they got better.

[724] They got an act, and then they got scared again, never got rid of that act.

[725] And then they can't stand for the right motherfucker being in the room.

[726] Yeah.

[727] They can't stand for a buffalo like this.

[728] Oh, that's what you did, bro?

[729] Guess what I'm doing?

[730] I'm going to flip a whole new set on your mother ass.

[731] Maybe I won't even do a set.

[732] Maybe I'll just build some shit from this one motherfucker right here.

[733] Right.

[734] Not a riff like your parents so tight, but pull something from him and just turn this into a whole shit.

[735] And then that hard drive starts coming Because you know, we got millions of jokes That we never use They just get stored on the hard drive They like this, people like this Is that your first time?

[736] When'd you come over that?

[737] 15 years ago But the moment was now Yeah You know, it's going to go now, you know?

[738] Yeah And that's it, I'm gonna tell you I've been doing it for 25 years And after 25 years I can honestly say I feel like I get better every year Me too I think the same thing That's somebody that's a Purist Yeah Yeah me too And I think that I mean Good sets and bad sets When you're working on new stuff But I think overall When I'm done after two years Each two years is better Than the two years before But I'm ready to film Yeah I think that's what it's all about It's fun If you're not out there If you're not out there If you're not out there Creating a type material Where It's old to Like I'm gonna do another special Who are you doing it for?

[739] Here's the tricky part I'm not on I might be on Netflix radar but I don't have a deal with them but I'm going to not by myself but Dave Chappelle has gave me a verbal commitment that he's going to produce my next special so with that said I don't have a home but I'm pretty sure the level I've been operating with my stand -up.

[740] You know when you're ready.

[741] You know what I'm saying?

[742] It's like, I just know it, bro.

[743] I just know.

[744] And I think the energy that I'll bring to a special right now and then the energy that he would bring to produce it for me, it would just fucking blow up.

[745] And this is not something like, I'm not calling Dave up every day, like, dude, you got to do my special.

[746] Every time I work with him, he was like, you got to let me do your special.

[747] I'm like, let's go, motherfucker.

[748] Yeah.

[749] So I feel good about that.

[750] I don't, I'm not saying that I'm eye in this place, I'm eyeing that place.

[751] First thing I want to do is drop, put an hour of material that when it plays, it can change my life.

[752] Well, I've been seeing you at the store, man. You're locked in.

[753] You can tell, you can tell you're doing a lot of sets.

[754] Yo, I'm, yo, I want reps. Yeah, that's what's up.

[755] What do you do, bro?

[756] I can't fuck, I'm going to stay home for reps. Got to have reps. Never catch a motherfucker all.

[757] God.

[758] I sometimes I'll do four sets in a night in LA.

[759] I did.

[760] I did and I was so proud of myself.

[761] I got six sets in a night in L .A. Wow.

[762] And I was so fucking happy because that's a normal night in New York.

[763] Yeah.

[764] But in L .A., you got to play in that shit.

[765] Yeah.

[766] You got to hit sunset.

[767] It's got to be like boom, I'm out.

[768] But you feel like you feel like you just do whatever you want.

[769] Because you know if you're starting off with something new on that first one you got four more, the time of night is over, you got that motherfucker.

[770] Yeah, it's when you're doing reps the same night, too, when you hit that third set, it's almost like you're in this weird flow state where there's no resistance between you and the ideas.

[771] The material just comes out so loose.

[772] And then you know, the thing you got to do is it's one thing to have a joke.

[773] Anybody can, not anybody, motherfuckerman can write a joke.

[774] And that's why you see some motherfuckers, you can, you just tell that they're a good writer.

[775] But there's nothing, there's no performance of it.

[776] you know what I'm saying there's no performance that brings you back to Brewer Bruehers wasn't just like funny writing he would get physically stretch his neck out man he would do shit and you I can see man I'm telling you the Boston Comedy Club years ago Barry Katz ran and owned it at the time and that was the premiere showcase spot it's a great place it was running neck and neck with the comedy seller comedy seller had the longest legs you know it's a tortoise in the hair it's been in forever but this spot And it was Jim Brewer, it was John and a round boy, Johnny.

[777] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[778] It was two guys.

[779] What is it?

[780] And round boy, something, fat Johnny and round boy?

[781] Yeah, they would demolish it.

[782] Is that how they say it?

[783] Yeah, something like that.

[784] And then you had a motherfucker 17 -year -old.

[785] The round guy?

[786] One of them.

[787] Fat Johnny and the round guy?

[788] They all dads now.

[789] Yeah, I forget the name.

[790] That was a time where comedy was on fire, and Jim Brewer were demolished it.

[791] Jay Moore.

[792] You used to demolish it.

[793] It was a great spot.

[794] It was one of those real small clubs.

[795] Like, what did that seat?

[796] Probably 125, 130.

[797] But it was like, it was old comedy club via brick wall.

[798] Yeah.

[799] Tightness.

[800] You know what I'm saying?

[801] It reminds you of like.

[802] Red Johnny and the round guy, right?

[803] Is that it?

[804] It reminds you of, though.

[805] It reminds you, yeah.

[806] Red Johnny.

[807] Look at John Stewart.

[808] Oh, look at those guys.

[809] They were on TV.

[810] They were a team.

[811] They got on a pants.

[812] You had on Earth?

[813] No, no, no, no. My were more pathetic.

[814] You know who I used to follow at the comedy store that also changed my life?

[815] Martin Lawrence in the 90s.

[816] People forgot.

[817] You came by him in the 90s?

[818] Dude.

[819] I used to be the guy who had to go on after him.

[820] Mitzie used to always stick me on after Martin Lawrence.

[821] And I know he was an animal then.

[822] I'll tell you, the first time I saw Martin Lawrence, and it was kind of made me interested in comedy.

[823] I was in D .C. I was laying up in a bed with this chick.

[824] and HBO You know, when it was like Yeah, it was like Yeah, it was like, right Yo, you just had popcorn for Yeah So Martin Lawrence came out there They was like ladies of gentlemen Give it up for Martin Lawrence And he sees his little black dude Big ass, skinny motherfucker with all this energy And this motherfucker And this is a motherfucker open line He said, give it up for A brother making money the right way He said when you make it money the right way You can tell your lady's shit like, shut the fuck up.

[825] I woke up.

[826] I was in a bed like, who is this motherfucker, right?

[827] He said, you can tell your lady's shit like, shut the fuck up.

[828] People's like, woo, woo, woo.

[829] And then he said, and he said, after that, he said, and she'll shut up too.

[830] He says she'll be like, you're so crazy.

[831] And like, who has, come on, son.

[832] the first sentence you like boom yeah and he ripped that shit and if you was fucking with that shit that it was like it was everything martin then that was a good time he was going on stage with leather jumpsuits on and i was going on after him it was devastating well you know you are already going to make it or made it if you're going on with leather jumpsuits and you're hitting comedy well it was just people were getting up in droves by the time i would go on stage everybody just wanted out of the building that was and this is what i say that what year was that 94 that was that was that was when that was that's when specials were really specials right there wasn't that many of them that was that's when it was it was it was HBO was it yeah HBO was it and that was one of those specials where like and that's what I'm saying with the next one I do you never can plan stuff like that but the energy I want to have is an energy yeah it's like this is going to change my life yeah that was the energy and that's what you're so crazy you can just feel it I can imagine when he was done with that Everybody can't have like this You know your life is about to change You know like a Bernie Mac Yeah With I'm scared of you motherfuckers Yeah You know the story behind that?

[833] That's an all -time classic Do you know the story behind it?

[834] The story behind it It was this comic from DC and a Butch Burns Butch Byrne was a DC legend Right He was a senior guy Of all of us in DC Tony Woods And Joe Wrecked He was a senior guy So in Def Jam, nobody really knew what Def Jam was going to be.

[835] It was just a new show.

[836] So Butch Burns had a set, and he didn't do well.

[837] He bombed.

[838] Like throwing chicken bones.

[839] I'm not saying this because it was a black audience.

[840] I'm just saying they was throwing bottles on the stage.

[841] They booed the shit out of this dude.

[842] Martin couldn't contain the audience.

[843] Martin couldn't do anything.

[844] It was just one of those things.

[845] You haven't seen a room that's so fucked up that can't anybody do anything.

[846] The only thing you're saying is up, okay, just let me go on.

[847] So, Butch Burns' career was dead.

[848] He's leaving, going off backstage, and he talked to Bernie Mac.

[849] Bernie Mac said, listen, hold your head up.

[850] He said, the sun's not shining on you today, but just shine on you again.

[851] Just hold your head up.

[852] You'll be all right.

[853] And next on deck was Bernie Mac with the audience that was uncontrollable.

[854] Martin couldn't do anything.

[855] It was just like this.

[856] Nick, you're on your own, right?

[857] It was one of the moments.

[858] And that's where the phrase, I ain't scared of you motherfuckers came from.

[859] That wasn't in his set.

[860] It was a real motherfucking comic figuring out what he's going to do in this moment.

[861] And he had to kick him.

[862] Let me hear this.

[863] Let me hear this.

[864] Give me some volume.

[865] I ain't coming from no foolish.

[866] No, get it from the beginning.

[867] I ain't scared of you, motherfucker.

[868] Right out of the gate.

[869] Rewired it.

[870] Rewind it.

[871] That's what I'm trying to sell you.

[872] I'm telling you.

[873] I'm telling you.

[874] I ain't scared of you motherfuckers.

[875] Rewat me one more time.

[876] Okay.

[877] All right, stop it.

[878] Can you pause for one second?

[879] Now, this is after a motherfucker's career was buried.

[880] This is after Bernie Mac, he came on a year before that, and I think he thought he was dressed too old.

[881] He had like a Steve Harvey suit on.

[882] So he wanted to appeal to the youth a little bit more.

[883] That's why he got the graffiti thing.

[884] And he's backstage saying, like, this could change my career.

[885] Another motherfucker's career is over.

[886] And this is a real comedian.

[887] This first line out the motherfucking box.

[888] I ain't scared of you, motherfuckers.

[889] I'm going to tell you something.

[890] fucking press I ain't coming from no foolishness and New York goddamn y 'all motherfucking women look good y 'all like a big of an egg sandwich look good because I love sex I love it can't do shit look at their face they're bored and I'm blessed yeah we gotta I don't we're getting kicked off YouTube if we keep playing it oh man but the builder when he first get that when he first do that yeah you know well you don't stand he called back oh man you now you see the emotion of it yeah it was like that i'm guarantee the energy he wanted to have to rip was there but the story the back story and being in that moment and at the end of the day who's going to be prepared for those moments joe right motherfuckers not built for that shit no more you got to do reps you got to do reps they're not built for it they got a motherfucking excuse for everything you ever go to a motherfucker room and they'd be talking about how's the crowd motherfucker fuck the crowd how are you oh was the crowd lame no you were lame bro it ain't day job it's our motherfucking job I was going hard in the pain no I'm just saying it's our fucking job you're right and I've heard you in your podcast talking about no excuses and I feel like the things you say about no excuses yeah it's easy to make an excuse but in the day it's an excuse you got two excuses you got a good excuse and you got a bad excuse well you know what you could have an explanation for failure with no excuse what do you mean we could talk about how you failed and why you failed don't have an excuse but go i fucked up i came out i was flat i didn't concentrate up yeah i know what it was i fucked up and don't and don't use it like i say this crowd sucked that's the wrong way to look man anytime i hear a comedian say how were they no i never said it how were you yeah because guess what we don't know what's going to happen bro we don't know if that motherfucker in the front row is thinking about a funeral we don't know that but it's our job to like you know kind of going back to what you said earlier in a sense we do we read people's mind through their body you can tell you can watch the show you can be like oh she was so upset because I said that you can just look at the body you know the posture you know everything and then we feed off of that but who's going to be fucking ready for that and there's so many of these motherfuckers that are talking and I'm not going off but it's just yeah yeah it's just frustrating when you see motherfuckers out here making excuses well it's not good for everybody that's around them that's also part of the problem see when a guy like you is around me or uh you know a guy like Tony Hinchcliffe or people who are just going forward who live in the comedy life like you're writing you're always writing new material that's empowering I want to be around you guy I want to talk I can't be around the motherfuckers I've been around motherfuckers they got more bomb material than they got real material you know muffles got a oh don't you do I did my bomb set and they're waiting to just one joke don't work and be like oh and then they slide into their bomb and shit they bomb set don't have no bomb material who the fuck writes material to bomb it yo in case they throw tomatoes I got the old tomato bit my uncle grew tomatoes back that's not going to hurt me go hard to go home yeah it's a ridiculous this idea to have a set that you do in the audience is shitty i mean you do well you do you know we got you got certain shit if something come your way you could bounce off but i'm talking about these motherfuckers actually right yeah like like like like have in the event that i bomb it's going to go that way fuck that they have bombing bits and i and i i just like i'm a person that just loves doing it love getting better and i tell people all the time if you like any of the things that I've done where there was HBO's The Wire Chappelle show and the other stuff if you come to see me do stand up you'll become a complete fan because like you said earlier that's the one thing that we control we don't have to have an audition for that shit we don't have to get tested for it you know what I'm saying like oh I made it to the test that we don't have to fucking we don't have to pitch it and you know it's a good thing and they say fuck you anyway you can't fuck with us with that it's like that's what we are the executive producer, the producer, the line producer, we, the line producer, we, everything.

[891] And you can't do it.

[892] It's us and a motherfucking mic.

[893] And at the end of the day, no matter what success, I feel, Joe, we get with this, whatever level.

[894] I mean, you're big ass shit, you hit it.

[895] You know, whether it's TV or movies, nothing is going to ever be able to take away from you being a flat, mother flat -footed motherfucker that can stand in the audience and you've built your stand -up name enough where for the most part the rest of your life you'll be able to create a good living off of your name off of doing stand -up in Hollywood don't have to call you for that's that's big too but if you respect what it is that you have a relationship with those people you have to write for them you have to work on your stuff you have to be diligent you have to be you have to have to have an ethic about it you don't want to rip anybody off you want to them to see a great show you want to do your best you want to do your best i feel but and it's so weird you know how we are i could do i could do a show comedy club like 500 people 498 motherfuckers i'm destroying and it's two motherfuckers just not feeling me and i need to get their undefined attention it's like i don't even hear the laughter i'm like you don't fucking like me now let's talk about it you know it's the worst at that nick de paolo well he'll go at One person?

[896] He gets so bad.

[897] And one person.

[898] He sees someone like this and the whole rest of the audience is dying and someone's giving in the stink eye.

[899] He's like, what's your fucking problem?

[900] Yeah.

[901] You can't, you just like that.

[902] And it's like, and you won't stop into that person doesn't have a problem or they leave.

[903] Yeah, that's a weird thing, man. It's called undivided attention.

[904] You get committed to wanting everybody to love you.

[905] You can't.

[906] That's impossible.

[907] There's also people that will fuck with you for extra attention.

[908] Yeah.

[909] You know, they want you to look at them with their arms crossed because they need attention.

[910] They're the same people that protest shit where it doesn't really necessarily make sense.

[911] They spend so much time and effort thinking about these things.

[912] Let me tell you something.

[913] It's so funny you said about protests because last couple of years, comedy has been interesting.

[914] There's a lot of people that are fans of Donald Trump.

[915] A lot of people that aren't fans of Donald Trump.

[916] And I think it's petty for you to be upset with anybody because they chose to vote for whoever they chose to vote.

[917] vote for.

[918] I think it's stupid as shit.

[919] But I will say this past election was interesting in the sense that a lot of people were upset.

[920] Black people were upset the last election.

[921] Women were upset.

[922] Gay people were upset.

[923] But white people were really upset.

[924] Like white people were the angriest.

[925] And white people did not protest.

[926] They voted.

[927] Black people was like, Black lives matter.

[928] White people's like, we'll see about that in the morning.

[929] And whenever you hear someone says, We'll see about it in the morning.

[930] It's going to be some change.

[931] It's going to be some change.

[932] But comedy, I don't think comedy should be a place where people exercise, anger, or be angry.

[933] How so, in what way?

[934] That, like, being mad.

[935] Like, when Donald Trump first got elected, you know, personally, like, it was very interesting.

[936] I've seen a lot of comics, they could just go up there and be like, fuck Donald Trump and just, ha, ha, ha.

[937] Right.

[938] You know, you could find a way to say fuck Donald Trump or anybody, but it doesn't have to be fueled with any anger.

[939] Yeah.

[940] You know what I'm saying?

[941] It doesn't have to be fueled like, fuck you, be like this.

[942] Fuck him.

[943] Okay, why?

[944] Why do you say that?

[945] Why do you say fuck him?

[946] And then let out the reason.

[947] But I just don't think that people should be angry about how they feel about, about.

[948] It's just, I think it's fucked up when politics make people angry.

[949] It's contrary to what you were saying was great about Chappelle's show.

[950] That the comedy came without being angry.

[951] But it made great points.

[952] But even anybody on both sides could laugh at it.

[953] Yeah.

[954] The thing about Trump, that's, it's interesting, it's like, the job shouldn't exist.

[955] The job of what, president?

[956] Yes.

[957] It shouldn't exist.

[958] It's a ridiculous idea to have 300.

[959] million people under the guidance of one that's insane and that one wins in a popularity contest that's insane right it's fucking insane it doesn't make sense it was a great idea back when there were pilgrims and it was a small colony and they just came over on a boat forget it forget about the rest of this shit it's just too many humans right so when you let a guy like that like try to be present no you're not going to be happy no one's going to be happy but you're not going to be happy if anybody wins it's it's untenable look at Obama Obama aged like how many years In eight years He looked like he aged 20 years They all do that It's like I call it to Ted dancing effect Once chairs got canceled You was like Who the fuck is that You know the first time you saw Ted dancing I'm not talking about years after cheers Like after a friend you're like god damn He stopped dying his hair Yeah Yeah man Is there something about Trump Before that that people enjoyed He was in a lot of rap lyrics Man he was like The old like People would probably still be, if he was a rapper instead of rest of it right now, it'd be different.

[960] He still be popular.

[961] People rapped about him.

[962] They liked that lifestyle.

[963] But the thing was I'll tell you this, my thoughts, the thing was because you thought you knew a person.

[964] You thought you knew him.

[965] And even when he got elected, I think a lot of people thought they knew him.

[966] Right.

[967] They thought they knew him.

[968] They thought the image like you ain't going to be the billion guy, a billion dollar playboy guy forever.

[969] But you thought you knew him.

[970] But then when you got to know him, you started to think, well, maybe I didn't know him.

[971] When you got to see him as president.

[972] Yeah, you get what I'm saying?

[973] Like, I don't think, and even as much as, even how we got elected, people were upset about it.

[974] But I think a lot of people, some point he was like, did you know what?

[975] Maybe all of that shit was just to get elected.

[976] Maybe that energy was to get elected.

[977] And if that was the case, then he mastered it.

[978] He mastered how to get connected.

[979] with his base.

[980] He mastered how to get not everybody to fuck with you, but just the right amount of people.

[981] Yeah.

[982] He looked at the numbers.

[983] It wasn't about the, it was a popular contest, but there's also new, like, these are the people that got to hit, and he figured that out.

[984] But I think at some point, Joe, people were like, all right, okay, it's over now.

[985] Let's see who you really are.

[986] And I think it's so many examples of when you felt like, he could have showed people example that he's for everybody opposed to just his base.

[987] And I think that's what get people a lot of what make people frustrated.

[988] He gives the impression that, you know, I only care about these people that elected me. You won, right?

[989] But you have responsibility to everybody.

[990] And it just don't have that feeling.

[991] Even on my social media, I don't go hard.

[992] I keep it kind of neutral.

[993] But I said something and somebody said, well, the last time I checked Don Hill, the economy was doing well.

[994] And I said, you can't confuse the economy with humanity.

[995] And that's the thing.

[996] And that's what people don't feel good about.

[997] You can tout all the numbers you can talk all the numbers you want, black unemployment, all the numbers, all the numbers.

[998] But how do people feel?

[999] You know what I'm saying?

[1000] They feel, they don't feel represented.

[1001] it.

[1002] They don't feel like I can rock either way bro, Democrat, Republican.

[1003] I make enough money where a lot of the views of Republicans be like, yo, that's right up my album.

[1004] You know what I'm saying?

[1005] Like you got there and right.

[1006] I'm rich, bitch!

[1007] You know, like that?

[1008] I fucked some Republican bitches before us.

[1009] You know what I'm saying?

[1010] I get it.

[1011] You know what I'm saying?

[1012] But at the same time, it's the and it may not sound right to a lot of people, but it's the human factor of it.

[1013] You know what I'm saying?

[1014] Like, you want to feel good.

[1015] You want to, you, you, you, you, you, why so many people don't know the economy is doing well, because they don't feel good.

[1016] Right.

[1017] You know what I'm saying?

[1018] You want to celebrate, you want to cheer, you want to feel good about it.

[1019] And that's the whole thing.

[1020] And I think, I believe when Obama ran, like his campaign was changed, Donald Trump would make America great again.

[1021] Either one of them could have ran off each other's campaign slogan.

[1022] Do you know after Bush, Obama could have said, make America.

[1023] America great again.

[1024] And it would electify the debates the same as change.

[1025] True.

[1026] They said the same fucking thing.

[1027] That would be the great thing for Obama to say right after Bush.

[1028] And I'm going to tell you, one thing that kind of, I don't know, insulting or get people upset is like you keep pushing the narrative, make America great again, make America great again.

[1029] You keep pushing it as if America was so fucked up before you took office.

[1030] And that's not the case.

[1031] Right.

[1032] when Obama took it from Bush he was making America great again you're talking about a shit show and the thing that people however you took it respected or not it was never nothing laced with anger it was never it wasn't no you see this mess Bush left me it was never like ah this motherfucker it was never no mention do you see that new movie about Bush did you see it?

[1033] I didn't see it either what's it called Jamie?

[1034] Is it out?

[1035] Yeah no yeah the one with vice about Dick Cheney and George Bush Whenever I think about The movie about getting shot in the face Because that's the only scene I want to see Well the thing about Bush and Cheney is like that movie Kind of makes it seem like Cheney was the guy pulling the strings And Bush was this simple Happy Go Lucky guy Who they just roped into being president Because he was the son of a president That's not far fetched though It's not far fetched at all It's not at all Not even Moli I think I actually agree with it.

[1036] When I think about Bush now, I don't think about him in a negative way, but I think about Cheney in a negative way.

[1037] Really?

[1038] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1039] I think about Cheney about, I think about Halliburton, I think about all the rebuilding of the places that we blew up, like all the crazy shit.

[1040] From Dick Cheney, coming from Dick Chene.

[1041] No bid contracts that are worth billions of dollars to rebuild.

[1042] You know, is it just you said that about the Bush?

[1043] Because if I had, I know it may sound crazy, if I had to have a pick of who I would have wanted to be the Republican candidate.

[1044] It was on the Republican side.

[1045] I liked Jeb Bush.

[1046] I didn't really get to know him at all.

[1047] There was something that, I don't know, I don't know too much problem.

[1048] I just thought that he was kind of like a mama's boy.

[1049] I think he probably, out of all the kids, I probably think that he probably was the one that thought a little outside of what their norm was.

[1050] I think he was a successful businessman, too.

[1051] Didn't he married a Latino chick, if I'm not mistaken?

[1052] I don't know about them.

[1053] But I just, I don't know, but Bush, I mean, Trump fucked him up.

[1054] He did fuck him up.

[1055] Yo, how do you fuck motherfuckers up with just nicknames?

[1056] I feel like you wanted to lay down.

[1057] I felt like Jeb wanted to lay down.

[1058] I really do.

[1059] I felt like the pressure got to him.

[1060] Trump put all of the motherfuckers days.

[1061] Like, you were safe until you got your nickname.

[1062] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1063] Once you got a lion.

[1064] Yeah, Lion Ted.

[1065] No energy, Jeb.

[1066] You know, that motherfucker was like, he can name rap artists.

[1067] Yeah.

[1068] No, it was a smart thing he did that no one's ever done before.

[1069] Nobody, there's a lot of things.

[1070] And even like, even when, um, even when Obama got elected, you know what it got Obama elected was fucking, um, Facebook and $5 contributions, $5 donations.

[1071] He was, if you, when he was, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, he was running, that, that, he was the first person to use Facebook the way he did.

[1072] really oh man they have so many every goddamn day it was Obama asked he wouldn't ask for like millions he was just like a dude in the hood yo let me hold $5 right like I would get an email hey this is Barack Obama yo let me hold $10 right and I got and I was like yeah he'll go $10 right and then a week later he asked for fucking $20 and then he would ask for $10 again and then he got so bad then Michelle was send me an email, but he just, he nickeled and dime America, and that's what supported his campaign.

[1073] And the fact that he was right at the turn of a form of media that you could use to your advantage.

[1074] He was the Facebook guy.

[1075] He reached people to Facebook.

[1076] Donald Trump's doing the same thing through Twitter.

[1077] I can reach people.

[1078] Why does he tweet so much?

[1079] Why does he tweet so much every day?

[1080] Because he knows motherfuckers would rather pick up a phone and read a treat than to read the newspaper.

[1081] 100%.

[1082] Fuck that.

[1083] All I need is headlines.

[1084] Way more people reading tweets versus newspapers, right?

[1085] That'd be stunned.

[1086] Like, if you could get to see that exact engagement in a good article in the New York Times on the front page versus one of Donald Trump's tweets.

[1087] The only two people that motherfuckers are just waiting for their tweets come out is Donald Trump and Kanye West.

[1088] Those are the two most interested tweet people.

[1089] Kanye West could just say grapefruit juice and fuck.

[1090] fuck up all of the media the next day.

[1091] What do you think he meant?

[1092] Do you think he meant he was hungry or he was thirsty?

[1093] Kanye just tweeted grapefruit juice.

[1094] One of the most, one of the most interesting tweeters out there.

[1095] Yeah.

[1096] You wait for a Kanye West tweet.

[1097] Well, he's got a free way of expressing himself.

[1098] He has an unfiltered way of expressing himself.

[1099] And a lot of people, people have mixed feelings about it, mixed views.

[1100] I know black community is a little stressed out right now.

[1101] Well, because of his Trump thing, but you know what I don't know how much of that there's two things one Obama called him a jackass that could weigh on you that stung a little bit you know and then Obama when Obama's gone Trump takes office Trump is willing to let him talk Trump's Trump will charm him And here's the thing Joe With that said like when I do White clubs black clubs Whatever do all type of clubs But the thing is You You You, first off, Kanye West has a voice.

[1102] Not too many, as much as black people want to throw the towel on them, we don't have too many voices that everybody is waiting here, whether, whatever it comes out, he has a voice.

[1103] I believe that Kanye West is trying to say something.

[1104] I just don't know what the fuck he's trying to say because I'm not fluent and easy.

[1105] I barely know Swahili.

[1106] I can't do Swahili and Yeezy.

[1107] and I think he's trying to say something but if there was some type of interpreter you know and this would be a dope and if the Chappelle show is right now this is what I think this is a dope -ass kid Kanye Way says something and then Dave Chappelle is his conscious interpreter that would be hilarious Kanye says and then Dave yells up you know what I think and this I mean I only talk to him once in the phone but what I think from studying him and pay attention because we're supposed to eventually do a podcast one day is I think he thinks different.

[1108] He does.

[1109] He connects dots different, and that's one of the reasons why he's so prolific with music.

[1110] But that's the point I'm making, Joe, and that's the point I'm saying about not speaking easy.

[1111] And some people that think like that, they don't know how to get it out.

[1112] It's like just speaking.

[1113] But I've been thinking about this.

[1114] You're Superman.

[1115] I love you.

[1116] You're my dad.

[1117] You're my superhero.

[1118] You're my dad.

[1119] You're like my father.

[1120] You're not hard.

[1121] that was for the black community here and say that part you can sell them a plane all you want but when you're saying you're like my father and then black people sitting back like can you please explain that so we think then this was funny to me then Kanye said yeah you're like a father figure to me like when I was younger I thought he was great hit me with the horrific you know father was in a shootout a drive -by and this would fuck me up bro He said, yeah, when I was younger, my parents separated at a young age.

[1122] First off, you had parents.

[1123] You already winning, motherfucker.

[1124] None of my niggas had parents.

[1125] They had my mother and my father, you know what I'm saying?

[1126] Not only that.

[1127] Okay, okay, cut my friends.

[1128] I didn't have parents, but he said, my parents separate.

[1129] I mean, they were married.

[1130] That's two wins.

[1131] You up, too.

[1132] Before you even get to And they separated and mom moved down the street You still got to see your fucking father So that was a little troubling But the whole thing is I'm pretty sure at some point Kanye West will be able to speak a language That everybody can understand Until then It's only a handful of people To speak and understand it And also write it But here's my problem with all this And I've been thinking about this a lot.

[1133] They want to medicate him, right?

[1134] Yeah.

[1135] Look how effective he is.

[1136] Just stop and think about culturally effective in terms of the music that he makes that people love.

[1137] Yeah.

[1138] His influence.

[1139] Yeah.

[1140] He creates clothes.

[1141] Okay.

[1142] He's married.

[1143] He creates conversation and dialogue, too.

[1144] He does.

[1145] His wife makes hundreds of millions of dollars.

[1146] They're insanely wealthy, insanely successful.

[1147] If you want to talk about overall success, they're together.

[1148] They have children.

[1149] They're super wealthy.

[1150] Of course.

[1151] He produces incredible art that's loved worldwide, and they want to medicate him.

[1152] Just stop and think about how effective.

[1153] But they want to medicate him to operate at what level though.

[1154] Exactly.

[1155] Think about how effective he is.

[1156] And yet they want to...

[1157] On medication or off?

[1158] Off.

[1159] When he's off medication, he said himself, he's his most creative.

[1160] Stop and think about how creative he's been, how successful he's, how well received.

[1161] Yeah.

[1162] happy in all these other elements in his life.

[1163] But yet they want him to act the way they want him to act.

[1164] Well, black people just want him to take the hat off.

[1165] You know what I'm saying?

[1166] I mean, whatever, bro.

[1167] You can say whatever the fuck you want.

[1168] The black people wasn't mad because he wore the hat.

[1169] They was mad because he wasn't affidate.

[1170] They was looking for a new era.

[1171] If that was a new era, they would have been more accepted of it, man. We just don't want the hat, son.

[1172] It's red and white now.

[1173] That's a problem.

[1174] Anything with red, with white letters, somebody will punch you.

[1175] Yo, I'm telling you, it's like, when I see, it's so funny now, whenever I see a red hat, I'm like, like, I'm immediately, but I did a show upstate New York, and it was his white dude came up to me after show, and he didn't have what looked like a Make American Grading Head.

[1176] He had a Make American Grading in Hat, and it looked like he had the original one.

[1177] You know how you got a Boston fan, and you're like, you're only been a fan.

[1178] He was a fan of American Making Great Before, like, he probably sold the hashtag.

[1179] to him.

[1180] But here's the thing, Joe.

[1181] This motherfucker had the hat on this shit.

[1182] And at the end of the show, he was one of the dudes that was continued to laugh in the most, you know?

[1183] And I went up to him and I was like, you, I got to get a picture with you.

[1184] And I took the picture and it was a video.

[1185] I was like, yeah, motherfucker.

[1186] Y 'all see his hat and he started laughing.

[1187] And we had a good moment.

[1188] It wasn't no, I wasn't angry at him.

[1189] I'm not going to let, I think it's hard did get away from it, but I think Kanye would have he likes the idea of how it gets people flustered.

[1190] He's a contrarian in a lot of ways.

[1191] Your special was triggered, right?

[1192] Yeah, one of them was, yeah.

[1193] Excuse me. All right, all right.

[1194] No, but I'm saying, it's like triggered.

[1195] Like, even, and I, when a guy had the hat on and I was talking to, I heard an aside, it was like this.

[1196] Oh, he's triggered.

[1197] And I wasn't.

[1198] I wasn't triggered by that.

[1199] What I was, what I would have been triggered by is how you make me feel.

[1200] With that hat.

[1201] No, period.

[1202] Period.

[1203] You know, you could come at me like, you could come at me with the hat on with some fucked up energy and I could feel it.

[1204] But the energy he gave me was like, I noticed me sound crazy.

[1205] He was like, yo, you're a funny motherfucker.

[1206] With the hat on.

[1207] You're like, okay.

[1208] I didn't give a fuck.

[1209] Right.

[1210] Because I couldn't let him, I couldn't let him make me feel like, if that's what his intent was he was going to make me feel uncomfortable I couldn't do it smile do you think he was trying to make you feel uncomfortable I think he really that's who he was I think that's who he was but I think that's who he was but I know that motherfucker would laugh like a motherfucker so at a comedy club that's all you can ask for it's all you can want it's all you want yeah that's all you can want yeah now you got the right perspective man looking at it all the right way I love it man it's like at the end of the day you got good people and you got bad people and it's who do you choose to be you want to be on the good side or the bad side and it's easy man it's I know it's I know it's corny Ronnie King said can we all just get along we all could get along if motherfuckers just remove the hate yeah well you know who I always look at it we can get along the three of us in this room they have no problems so when people expand out what goes wrong like what something goes wrong when you get to like three million what is it three million and what just humans as people expand out you get a couple of people together and most people could be fine together most people the vast majority it's when you get to large numbers it gets fucked up it gets fucked up it's almost like people are supposed to live in small towns you know with a bunch of cool people like small town with a bunch of assholes would suck but small towns with all how about if we lived in a small town with a small town with all comedians.

[1211] If I live in a small town right now, I would be a, if I live in a small town right now, I would be a grandfather.

[1212] You think so?

[1213] 100%.

[1214] What are you doing small towns?

[1215] You drink and get them fucking babies.

[1216] Yeah, but I mean, a small town, a community, let me say, filled with comedians.

[1217] It would be a lot of murders.

[1218] Yo, comedians will actually kill each other, man. I can't even, like, I can't, it's just only a certain amount of comedians.

[1219] I can be around at one time.

[1220] Because then it started getting, you know, there's motherfuckers jocke in for the best joke.

[1221] There's some of that are like that, but there's some that lay back and they're laughers.

[1222] Those are snipers.

[1223] Yeah, those are snipers.

[1224] They're a good sniper.

[1225] Yeah, they're snipers.

[1226] They got their breathing pattern right.

[1227] They know when you pull that trigger, it's supposed to shock you, you're supposed to cite you every time.

[1228] Yeah, they don't throw any loose bombs.

[1229] None of that shit.

[1230] They got that sniper finger.

[1231] Yeah, that's a good way.

[1232] That's a very good way to put in.

[1233] So snipers and the motherfucker grunts that go out there.

[1234] I was a military for four years.

[1235] Were you really?

[1236] Yeah.

[1237] Air Force.

[1238] I was a, I was a cop in the military.

[1239] Really?

[1240] Nobody believes I was the worst cop ever.

[1241] I made one arrest in four years.

[1242] And that was because a girl came through the gate.

[1243] She had some big tities.

[1244] And I decided that I needed to pull her over.

[1245] But I was the worst fucking cop.

[1246] And I had to get out of the military because I used to hear this phrase all the time.

[1247] Airman Rawlins, your blatant disregard.

[1248] for established military policy shows a lack of military brain and integrity.

[1249] I used to hear that.

[1250] I was like, these motherfuck was going to gun and kick me out.

[1251] Air Force four years.

[1252] I was a cop stationed in Kunza in Korea, stationed in Boland, NUICO, Tung San, NACO, NACO, NUNA, Haigu, Dehoku Ke Arso.

[1253] Wow.

[1254] Four years, military, three years, two years in Korea, two years in Korea, two years went to a comedy club became a heckler.

[1255] I was an asshole.

[1256] I used to go to this comedy club every Wednesday to fuck with the comedians.

[1257] Where was it?

[1258] Comedy connection to Greenbelt.

[1259] It was like the black comedy club in D .C. This was the time of when Martin Lawrence was on fire, the death jam thing was popping and they had on black comedy clubs, it would be a pizza shop.

[1260] They'll just turn, okay, now it's a comedy club.

[1261] Monique had a club that she made turn from a restaurant to a comedy club just because she got more business on the weekend and the clubbed in the restaurant and they took it over.

[1262] And I used to go heckle the comedians and I was such a good heckler that people used to come to the show to hear me heckle.

[1263] They would be at the door like, yo, is that asshole dude going to be here tonight?

[1264] And that was me. The club owner dared me to go on stage because they wanted to shut me up.

[1265] Joe, I was so cocky.

[1266] After four weeks of heckling, I tried to make a deal with the club owner.

[1267] Come on.

[1268] I swear, I was like, look, I know, I'm telling you, I said, I know I've increased business by 30%.

[1269] No. We need to start working on the door there.

[1270] He looked at me like, what the fuck are you talking about?

[1271] Anybody in DC to tell you this story?

[1272] And they wanted me to shut up.

[1273] They asked me to go on stage, and I went on stage.

[1274] And the first time I went on, I murdered the shit.

[1275] And I knew that I wasn't going to be doing anything else with my life but doing it.

[1276] I just knew it.

[1277] It was just like, flat, flat, all like.

[1278] How did it feel?

[1279] It felt great.

[1280] Do you remember it?

[1281] I remember it because.

[1282] The flashes in your mind?

[1283] I remember it because I had talked so much shit to this point and the thing about it was but the room of the energy the energy of the room was there because there was a lot of people that came, they saw me and they were like when you're gonna go with you should try you should try so the first time I went on people were excited about it they didn't know what they expect and I wrote all these jokes I'm like I got 30 minutes I was like I was so cocky we used to have an open mic and you know over mic list is like 30 people And I would be like 10 on the list And they would keep bumping me And I thought they were just trying to save me the headline I didn't think they were just trying to give me the shittiest spot But half the club came to see me So they would stay there And that first time I went on I had all these jokes I planned I was going to do And when I went on stage I drew a complete blank I didn't remember shit And then I went with I knew best I started fucking somebody in the audience I got a laugh And then I did my material And I didn't know what the light was They gave me the light And I was like, oh, I got to go.

[1284] Like, you know, the light means, just make that your last joke.

[1285] Right.

[1286] And I got off abruptly.

[1287] I said, I got to go.

[1288] And people started booing.

[1289] The host went up.

[1290] And there was like, no, Donnell, he doesn't know.

[1291] He's new.

[1292] It's his first time.

[1293] He don't know what the light means.

[1294] He'll be.

[1295] He'll be back.

[1296] And I was there almost every Wednesday for eight months.

[1297] And then I moved to New York at six months.

[1298] Wow.

[1299] Said I'm out of here.

[1300] Where'd you go first?

[1301] Club -wise?

[1302] Or live?

[1303] Either one.

[1304] Brooklyn.

[1305] Brooklyn was a bear out.

[1306] That's why I did this day.

[1307] But Brooke, it was interested in me because I didn't go from, from D .C. to, like, mainstream white clubs.

[1308] I was doing still to ghetto rooms and shit.

[1309] And a lot of times I couldn't get spots.

[1310] So I would go to, I would go to the poetry open mics.

[1311] Because that she used to be so dull.

[1312] The water was shifting the wave, wave.

[1313] And I'd be like, does anybody want to break from this?

[1314] shit, right?

[1315] And then I would go do jokes when I couldn't do comedy because I would do that until I started making a name for myself and never looked back.

[1316] It was dope.

[1317] New York is a great place to get your chops up.

[1318] What year do you enter New York?

[1319] It had to be probably like 95.

[1320] Probably like 95.

[1321] Yeah, I'd already moved.

[1322] I'd left in 94 to come to L .A. Oh, yeah?

[1323] When did you get out here?

[1324] I got out here like seven years ago.

[1325] Maybe eight years ago.

[1326] And it was because my situation was different because I wasn't getting a lot of road work.

[1327] And I was like, well, fuck.

[1328] If I'm not getting a lot of road work, I might as well try to get more film and television stuff to move out to L .A. And then when I moved out here, I started getting more personal appearances.

[1329] So basically, I moved to L .A. It became a role comic.

[1330] And I wasn't mad at it because after you're doing it for a while, you just wanted, where the fucking I can make money doing this shit?

[1331] You know what I'm saying?

[1332] If it's the road, it's the road.

[1333] You know what I mean?

[1334] If it's Hollywood, it's Hollywood.

[1335] But who was going to pay me some money, and it was the road?

[1336] And until now, like, I do 40 weekends a year.

[1337] But with me having a young kid now, I'm trying to focus more and film and television and get some more stable shit, because I'm getting a little, you know, it's getting burnt.

[1338] I hate to say this because I've said it too many times, but she should have a podcast.

[1339] I've heard that.

[1340] Shot to be a beard of humor, man. Dude, I've started a thousand podcasts.

[1341] I need to start yours.

[1342] I'm with it.

[1343] Yo, I'm telling you, my dude, like...

[1344] You should do it, 100%.

[1345] I used to do, and I miss, I used to do radio.

[1346] I did radio.

[1347] I did hot 97, but I would love to do a podcast.

[1348] You're natural.

[1349] You could have the number one podcast in the country.

[1350] No bullshit.

[1351] 100%.

[1352] Let's do it.

[1353] Don't you think, Jamie?

[1354] Yeah, it'd be easy.

[1355] You just need someone to make you an account and just up...

[1356] Shit, you could upload it literally from your iPhone or whatever phone you use.

[1357] You put a little microphone.

[1358] in the bottom of it I do I do it and another reason why because I always want to talk yeah I'm sure it's fun I get it but you've been in the game for a while nine years damn almost 10 but you were you can see yourself a pioneer no there's people before me for sure I was just one of the early adopters I'd say an early adopter but it was already established Adam Curry had one I think he invented the name podcast and then Adam Carolla went from radio to podcast and that's when I was like oh I didn't know oh wait a minute was he a radio personality before he was doing the man show yeah no no he did the man show and then he did he well he was a radio personality first then he did the man show and I think he did radio during the same time he did love line yeah yeah during the same time and then after that he had a big time syndicated morning radio show and I did his radio show a couple times and then when he left his radio show and went to podcast he got this professional studio built and everything and I went to visit him and I was like whoa and I remember walking around place going look at this shit like i was when i came here right same thing i'm like who the fuck got a wolf and not a wolf from here from london yo i saw a shit that i never seen motherfuck i'm like what is that a point what is that what is that what is that called right there that's an elk yeah one of the people that um that uh that make that what do they call that's a profession taxidermy but that's only when they put like the fake when they put the fur over it the fake eyeballs and shit is that yours that's mine yeah that's the actual real skull.

[1359] God damn.

[1360] That's what they call a European mount when they just have the skull and the antlers.

[1361] That's where I get my food from.

[1362] I'm cooking an elk roast tonight when I get out of here.

[1363] And it's from him?

[1364] Not that one.

[1365] I ate that one already.

[1366] I ate that one.

[1367] See, that's some man shit, man. Elk.

[1368] Yo, if I go tell my boys I'm eating elk, they'd be like, you change, I think you gay, son.

[1369] Yo, he gay, son.

[1370] He had caught his cheese the other day.

[1371] That motherfucker Say he's a vegan And he's eating elk Oh no, son He's trying to do Them fucking $5 foot laws With Smollett Or Smollett What he said his name Smollett That poor guy I say the motherfucker Let me ask you this How does that guy come back From that?

[1372] He doesn't Ever?

[1373] No Because he's going to How does he feed himself The way he feeds himself Because he's still Going to have a base the base he's going to have was like the motherfuckers would have did the same thing oh that's not a good group of people you said it's not it might not be a good group of people the way you think it but for him it's a group of people right there's going to be still some people that want to hear his side of the story everybody's not everybody's not like dismissive of him right and some people still hold on to like well maybe some people that just going to you know like I refuse to believe it right point blank well he's still denying it he's saying that they're lying yeah man but you know I don't know maybe I don't know it doesn't look good I don't know don't know I think something else was going on bro I think something that I think he was I think he was possibly paying them for something else could be not just yeah to beat my ass I'm like thank you guys All right, I got some other ways you can make money.

[1374] I don't know.

[1375] Again, it's just, it's so fucked up, bro, because you have, like, it's so fucked.

[1376] My older brother is gay.

[1377] And, like, with that situation, it kind of rung home to me because when it first was when it put out of it like this, I wish the fuck somebody would try to violate my brother or disrespect my brother.

[1378] I know how it arms.

[1379] I'd be ready to go.

[1380] So I had that.

[1381] And that's what's so fucked about the whole shit.

[1382] He had so many people that was riding for him for different reasons, man. And it's, like, really selfish for you to not give a fuck about how you're going to hurt people.

[1383] You know what I mean?

[1384] Maybe he didn't realize how bad it would go wrong.

[1385] Man, bro, come on.

[1386] You're going for the gates.

[1387] Where you're saying, when you're saying throwing fucking bleach on me, you're trying to, you're trying to trigger motherfuckers.

[1388] You're trying to trigger for Alvin's cell.

[1389] Then he said he was the gay Tupac.

[1390] he said that I ain't no killer but don't push me Revenge is like the sweetest joy Next to getting Well he didn't say the pussy part Oh that's hilarious He said that he was the gay He already had his movie in his head That's so ridiculous I fought back I'm the gay two pod He already had his hashtag He probably bought the white website Trace that I don't know I don't want to stop this podcast But I got to pee so bad I did two podcasts in a row So I kid it Talk to Jamie for just two minutes We can talk about the wire.

[1391] What is that right here?

[1392] I'll take one of those.

[1393] Is that a pre -roll?

[1394] Yeah.

[1395] Word.

[1396] I'll be right back.

[1397] I just have to be so bad.

[1398] I ain't mad at your son.

[1399] You got a lighter right there?

[1400] Yes.

[1401] Look, just know when you know your LA, it's like this.

[1402] Is this an indica or sativa?

[1403] There is some extra spice in there, too.

[1404] There's a little extra, like, I think it's called butter.

[1405] Butter?

[1406] That's like wax.

[1407] What?

[1408] Yeah.

[1409] It's a little bit.

[1410] You can't really tell it, to be honest with you.

[1411] That's how white boys set you up.

[1412] Yeah.

[1413] Yeah, no, yeah.

[1414] Yeah, like, no, just eat half the ear.

[1415] You'll be okay.

[1416] How many people still come up to you about the wire?

[1417] I know, obviously, Chappelle's show, but the wires.

[1418] You know, the funny thing about the people that come up to me, the wire, they identify by themselves as instant intellects.

[1419] Yeah.

[1420] You know what I'm saying?

[1421] Like, people, and they'll, they're almost like they're cocky, like, I know you're on Chappelle and a couple other things, but you know where I really love you from, the wire.

[1422] that was a dope experience did you ever watch HBO's The Corner I started I think I got I feel like it was six episodes And I watched three of them I think I didn't watch all of it I was in that Okay I played a heroin addict And a lot of people don't know People that are fans If you were a fan of the wire You definitely been a fan of the corner Because so many of the actors came back To do the wire After I watched the Wire I wanted more and more content like that And so I went back and tried to watch it But I just I actually enjoyed rewatching the Wire more.

[1423] I like the show and I was supposed to my character was supposed to build up more but the Baltimore Tourism Board was upset that every time someone goes shooting Baltimore they depicted as a drug infested pretty much what it is so that's why they went from the if you noticed the shift in the writing it went from the towers to the docks like how do you get to the docks that's because they didn't just want to be in the hood like that but David Simon he was like yo I liked you you know what you did so they brought me back for the last season I've tried to get Joe to watch it but it's like it's 10 years old now so it's hard to get back into an old show yeah but it's so good so many people love it that way people are like they were like definitely wire fanatics and when they brought me back to last season I was nervous because HBO the last season of any show on HBO the writers get vindictive and they do nasty shit to the characters like to the last season of Oz it was dudes getting raped on Oz it wasn't even on Oz they was like dude I'm on Nickelodeon I'm just trying to get to the bathroom man but they was right to me I didn't get raped the last season and it was fun I got to settle down and and choose it for a run just get in and it's still it's see you just got to watch it because it's so good his character comes up at like the best time and he's not to spoiler alert it but like the follow the money starts with him and like that's a That's why you know You're a fan You know that My role would have been Like if they didn't switch The tone If they would have kept it In the towers My shit was Because I was The connection Between the streets And the politics I know I could have Blown that carri -tile And when I first got busted when I was in the room I was trying to I was going to rob the mansion And with Latina Danes He said what's your name?

[1424] I said my name is Dadee My name is Dadee But they mostly called me Damien, right?

[1425] And then he said, my name is Daniel, and they mostly call me lieutenant.

[1426] And this is I had already said how I would rob the whole crib, because I thought he was a driver with me. And that character should have been off by then.

[1427] But it was a good opportunity.

[1428] It was another cool platform.

[1429] It was dope.

[1430] I can honestly say, whatever happens in my career, I was on two shows that go down in television history.

[1431] The Wire is.

[1432] Yeah, I believe you about the wire.

[1433] I mean, everybody says it I never settled down and watched it But for sure, Chappelle's show Is the greatest sketch comedy It's number one and number two It's like that and in living color And you could pick your spot Depending upon when you grew up And what it meant to you Because for a lot of people in living color too Because it was on Fox You didn't have to have cable to get it It was on Fox Did you have to have cable?

[1434] Did you have to have cable?

[1435] No, Fox was regular TV But then it was like It was new too Because it was for the most part a all black cast.

[1436] All black cast.

[1437] And you didn't see that.

[1438] Dancers.

[1439] It was like they took everything.

[1440] Jennifer Lopez.

[1441] Everybody was making money and getting ass when that was out.

[1442] I don't think they, DeWans, I think who was it?

[1443] Sean was a DJ.

[1444] I don't even think he knew how to DJ, but Keenan had that fucking vision, man. Yeah.

[1445] He had that vision.

[1446] Who's like...

[1447] How many seasons did that go?

[1448] I don't know.

[1449] Probably six.

[1450] But did it really go that many?

[1451] Yeah, it was, that was the show.

[1452] Every comedian hope that they were, Every year they would come around and say, they're looking for new people for living color.

[1453] And every city was like just busting doors down and trying to get an audition.

[1454] Wow.

[1455] And I remember watching it for the first time.

[1456] I was at a pool hall in like Yonkers, New York.

[1457] And I looked up at the screen, me and a buddy of mine, my friend John Tobin, we're playing pool.

[1458] And we're watching the show.

[1459] I was like, what in the fuck are they doing?

[1460] And it was doing no lips.

[1461] When Fire Marshal Bill came out, I was like, what the fuck am I seen?

[1462] Joe, Jim Curry was an animal, man. Man, he was again, like, once you saw him, you just start laughing.

[1463] Yeah, he was an animal.

[1464] I mean, how many times?

[1465] What do we have now?

[1466] Homey the clown.

[1467] Homie the clown?

[1468] Homie don't play that.

[1469] Girls would always say that.

[1470] Paul Mooney, I wrote the Hominy the Clown Curts.

[1471] Really?

[1472] Yeah.

[1473] Did he?

[1474] Yep.

[1475] That's hilarious.

[1476] It was groundbreaking.

[1477] It was Wanda.

[1478] Wow.

[1479] That's right.

[1480] She fucks me. But did look at that.

[1481] That's funny, right?

[1482] But you know, talk about how dope of a career That motherfucker had Jamie Fosser go Frenat to Oscar That motherfucker can do anything He can do anything And sing Yeah, we've talked about it before He's got that weird He's got that weird ability To do anything Like when Mike Tyson was talking About Jamie playing him You know He was uh Oh Jamie was gonna play him He apparently is Oh I know he's gonna kill him He's gonna kill him He can do anything He can do anything He can do anything He's got great stories man Had one on the podcast He's got great great story And he's just a good guy.

[1483] Anytime I've talked to him, he's always been a really cool dude.

[1484] Good dude, man. Yeah, he's very friendly.

[1485] Last time I saw him was out of a gas station, he's got some crazy fucking truck, some weird thing.

[1486] I was like, what is that?

[1487] I never even saw one of those things before.

[1488] I don't know what it is.

[1489] I think he got a whole bunch of what you've never seen before us, you know, like, what is that?

[1490] Oh, that was from.

[1491] It's some new, some new custom -made weird fucking truck.

[1492] Right.

[1493] It looks like something from the future.

[1494] Does he drive it or just?

[1495] He was driving it.

[1496] He was, uh, yeah.

[1497] Good dude.

[1498] He never, did he do, no. I think he's doing more stand -up again.

[1499] I think he's doing more stand -up.

[1500] But, you know, how do you, that's a tough thing to do, too, probably, to get that level as an international A -list superstar to still have the passion to do stand -up.

[1501] Right.

[1502] You got to want it.

[1503] You got to want to do it for some strange reason.

[1504] You let the motherfuckers peers in your group No, I still got it, motherfucker.

[1505] You know who did?

[1506] Did you ever see that thing It was about maybe a year or so ago Right when Bill Cosby was in the heat of all his trouble Where Eddie Murphy Did some stand -up on a dais Like in front of a platform?

[1507] Yeah, that was for, it was an award He got at the Kennedy Center It was some type of cultural show I can't remember exactly name of it But I remember, I think Dave was a part of that too That was a big deal But what got me was how good he was.

[1508] was.

[1509] I was like, God damn, he's good.

[1510] He's a comedian, you know, even though he's not using the stage platform, you know he sits around or it's like, oh, shit, that would be funny.

[1511] Of course.

[1512] You know?

[1513] I mean, he had this whole routine about them taking Bill Cosby's doctorate degree away from him.

[1514] He had this whole bit about it when he's doing a Bill Cosby impression while he's doing it.

[1515] I'm telling you, man, his timing was that would be so good to see him do it.

[1516] Yeah.

[1517] That's what I'm thinking.

[1518] It was so powerful.

[1519] I was like, God damn, we missed out on years of this.

[1520] Years.

[1521] Yeah, you're like, what would he talk about?

[1522] He's like probably close to being a grand game.

[1523] Can you play a little bit of this?

[1524] I don't know.

[1525] Maybe.

[1526] It's only a minute long.

[1527] Just give me a little bit.

[1528] Just give me a little bit.

[1529] Okay, so he's got a bunch of music in it.

[1530] Here it goes.

[1531] Bill has one of these.

[1532] He says, did y 'all make Bill give his back?

[1533] You know you f***ed up when they want to you.

[1534] did the trophies, man. Man, we missed out on him hosting the Oscars, man. Dude, I'm telling you, when you watch him do this routine, you go, oh, my God, he still got it.

[1535] It's Eddie motherfucking Murphy.

[1536] I know, but he hasn't done any stand -up in forever, and it was like he's been doing it every day.

[1537] Yeah, but you got to look at it when he came on, like, certain people are just naturals, bro.

[1538] But it's so sad that he hasn't been doing it, man. When you stop and think, go from raw, you know, delirious to raw, to nothing for all these years and he might be if he's not nothing i wouldn't say nothing international movie star you know but not you mean for sure i mean nothing is terms of his do is stand -up got you that's all i mean yeah the course he's an international movie star but he could have been one of the greatest of all time if he isn't already i mean he is already if you have a top 10 you got to kind of put edie murphy in there of course but he could be number one ever yeah if he just kept doing it but he made his it would just be interesting But he made his mark.

[1539] Nobody was fucking doing it.

[1540] Like, we got big names and stuff now.

[1541] But Eddie Murphy was just like everybody was talking about him.

[1542] Like his special job, the next day, everybody was quoting lines from it.

[1543] I watched it with my friend Jimmy and with a bunch of his friends.

[1544] And we were probably like 18 or something like that.

[1545] Like maybe.

[1546] 17, 18, delirious.

[1547] It's the best.

[1548] And I remember we were just like, everyone was stunned.

[1549] Like we were just, everyone was sitting back on the couch going, God, that was incredible.

[1550] Dice Clay had that energy.

[1551] Dice Clay had everybody.

[1552] That was like what you said, when specials were really special.

[1553] It wasn't very many of them.

[1554] It was a couple of them and then whoever that person was, you knew you were going to see them on TV or somewhere for like the next two years, easy.

[1555] Dude, I found out about Kinnison from a girl that worked the front desk at a health club that it worked out.

[1556] I used to work at this Nautilus Plus.

[1557] I was going to say what the fuck was he doing in there.

[1558] I worked at this Nautilus Plus in Revere.

[1559] It was Revere, Massachusetts, like this fitness place.

[1560] No, that wasn't Nautilus Plus.

[1561] That was the fucking, God damn it.

[1562] Boston Athletic Club in South Boston.

[1563] That's where it was.

[1564] Anyway, there's a girl who worked a front desk.

[1565] She goes, I saw this comedian last night.

[1566] You gotta fucking see him.

[1567] He's the most amazing comedian.

[1568] He did this joke about gay people, fucking dead people.

[1569] Yo, you know that.

[1570] No, I don't know that, but just sentences.

[1571] 20 years old.

[1572] What's that?

[1573] That sentence is 20 year old.

[1574] The thing you just said.

[1575] He did this bit about gay people fucking so -and -so.

[1576] Yeah.

[1577] Motherfunk couldn't even probably try to think about saying that on stage now.

[1578] Brian, it would be a rough.

[1579] It would be rough.

[1580] But the way he said it, the way Kinnison said it, you know, she was saying it to me one way.

[1581] Yeah, yeah.

[1582] I went and got it on VHS after that to watch it.

[1583] It was dope.

[1584] But she was lying on her stomach in the parking lot to pretend to be a dead body.

[1585] Because what had happened was these homosexual, the Kinnison bit, These homosexual necrophiliacs were paying money to have a little bit of time undisturbed at the freshest male corpse.

[1586] So Kinnison lies down on stage and he's going, you imagine that.

[1587] Undisturbed.

[1588] He's lying down on stage and he's like, wow, I can't believe this.

[1589] I guess I'm going to go to heaven now and be with Jesus.

[1590] And oh, hey, what is this?

[1591] It feels like someone's fucking me, man. Oh, you mean life keeps fucking this even after you're dead.

[1592] It never ends It never ends So I'm watching this girl Who's like this volleyball player This big athletic girl And she's got her body Down on the ground And she's yelling out Oh Do you're creating a bit?

[1593] She's like life keeps fucking in the ass Even after you're dead It never ends And I was laughing so hard At what she was saying I went out and got the VHS tape Did it meet your stet Did you like it?

[1594] I was blown away I couldn't believe It was coming That type of energy man Is it a different kind of comedy.

[1595] Yeah, and then, like, you think he was really loud, but then he was loud, but he was saying shit.

[1596] Just like that bit, you know how your brain has to be to even think of that shit?

[1597] Do you know he shared something with Roseanne Barr?

[1598] Brain injury.

[1599] Really?

[1600] Brain injury, personality changing brain injury.

[1601] Both of them were hit by cars.

[1602] Both of them were hit by cars.

[1603] And that's how it happened?

[1604] Both of them.

[1605] Yeah.

[1606] Same thing.

[1607] I mean, don't hit your kid with a car and hope they turn out to be a comedian.

[1608] You don't think you're funny.

[1609] You're funny now, motherfucker.

[1610] With Roseanne, she was in a mental institute for nine months.

[1611] You know, and with Kinnison, they said there was an abrupt change between who he was and who he became.

[1612] He got hit by that car.

[1613] And then from then on, he was this wild, reckless, don't give a fuck guy and this ranting, raging preacher.

[1614] But it turned out to be good for her.

[1615] Oh, yeah.

[1616] The dark side.

[1617] The dark side is.

[1618] And for Roseanne.

[1619] It's good for her, too, you know, in many ways.

[1620] She might be done now.

[1621] We haven't heard.

[1622] How was that show doing her spinoff?

[1623] Is it doing good?

[1624] I don't think it's doing that good.

[1625] I think it's dropping off.

[1626] Roseanne is, in my opinion, like having a person with a broken leg and expecting them to keep up on a hike.

[1627] She's got brain issues.

[1628] She's heavily medicated.

[1629] And, you know, Adderall and marijuana and all these different things.

[1630] There's a lot of shit that's fucking with her head.

[1631] You know, and they kind of knew that when they were making that show.

[1632] I really think they did.

[1633] I really think they knew that.

[1634] But they're roller dice.

[1635] Yeah.

[1636] But it's also one of the, those things were like there's lovable parts about that show because of the fact that she's kind of loony you know and she's self -admittedly loony and self -admittedly medicated to the train man the most interesting person is a train wreck it's true the most interesting person to watch somebody you think you could probably do better or smarter than or there's also we'd like when successful people have a giant major flaw like a brain injury with it makes them ramble about shit you know I don't know how to push for that one.

[1637] But you know what I'm saying?

[1638] I like my celebrities with no brain engines.

[1639] Now here comes the needle comes out and shit, like inject them.

[1640] Well, for Kinnison, like Kinnison was a, he was a groundbreaking comedian.

[1641] Like when I remember seeing him, and obviously I was only like 18 or 19 at the time, but I remember seeing him being like, oh, I didn't even know that this was comedy.

[1642] I didn't know you could do that.

[1643] It was a totally different.

[1644] Yeah.

[1645] He didn't give a shit.

[1646] He did a show where he would call up, he had out of a phone.

[1647] and we'd ask some guy in the audience if your heart was ever broken by a girl and the guy would say, me, what happened?

[1648] Tell me what happened.

[1649] And he goes, oh, she fucked my friend and she left me. He's like, God damn it!

[1650] Give me this bitch's number!

[1651] And if we get on the stage, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, your ex -boyfriend, Tom, this is Sam fucking Kidison!

[1652] And we'd say, and would scream at this late and they had her over a speaker.

[1653] She's like, what?

[1654] What the fuck?

[1655] And he'd be screaming, You fucking whar!

[1656] Oh, that's too funny.

[1657] screaming into this telephone.

[1658] It was chaos.

[1659] Oh, man, I would have loved to see that, man. I saw that working.

[1660] I was working as a security guard, a Great Wood Center for the Performing Arts.

[1661] So I got to see it while I paid for it there once.

[1662] The special.

[1663] Yeah, I got to see him live three times.

[1664] I didn't see the special, but I saw him perform.

[1665] Like at the comedy store or something?

[1666] No, no, no. Is it a big -ass amphitheater?

[1667] Can you imagine how it felt to see him work the OR?

[1668] Oh, my God.

[1669] You know, motherfuckers might be out in the hallway.

[1670] and shit trying to peek in.

[1671] That road started getting tight as a motherfucker.

[1672] He was so powerful and funny looking, you know?

[1673] Like everything about him, the beret and the fucking child molester jacket.

[1674] I don't say if it set the standards, but it was like everybody wanted to be the loud fat, loud fat guy with the crazy hair.

[1675] Yeah, there was a little bit of that after that.

[1676] He opened up a door for something that people loved.

[1677] They loved, there's something about him that was like, you knew that he was like genetically fucked you know it wasn't it wasn't a good specimen of manhood but he was angry and smart and confident and fucking ferocious and he would talk about all that and he make you know the part of the fact that he was physically vulnerable was part of what would what made him funny and he was just off the chain yeah well the funny thing is about he had some hilarious bits about being married about the devil coming up to when you're married ah oh you've been married Oh, relax.

[1678] This isn't even going to be scary for you.

[1679] Like, oh, here's where we torture the soul.

[1680] That's funny.

[1681] He had this shit where he's like, he goes, look at my face.

[1682] Look at my face.

[1683] Oh, oh.

[1684] He goes, I've been married twice.

[1685] And you can't even try one of his jokes while doing his voice.

[1686] No, you can't.

[1687] You can do Seinfeld and you kind of do Seinfeld voice.

[1688] Even if you hear somebody, do their voice even yell a little bit like, all right, calm down, Sam Kinnis.

[1689] Exactly.

[1690] Get out.

[1691] Oh, oh!

[1692] I live in hell!

[1693] Yeah, he had some groundbreaking shit where you watched it, and it was like you were on a ride.

[1694] Like, all of a sudden there was this new thing going on.

[1695] Was he a Saturday Night Live?

[1696] I don't think so.

[1697] No, I don't think so.

[1698] You would have tore that shit up.

[1699] He would have.

[1700] They banned him from a lot of things by the time you got to a certain stage in his comedy career.

[1701] There was certain subjects and certain, you know, this bit about.

[1702] about AIDS.

[1703] It was so ruthless.

[1704] And it was like, you can't do that?

[1705] And he goes, everybody says, AIDS, shouldn't make fun of AIDS, Sam.

[1706] It's a communicable disease.

[1707] He goes, straight people get it too.

[1708] He goes, name one!

[1709] Name one fucking guy!

[1710] And I remember hearing that going, whoa.

[1711] That's funny.

[1712] Whoa.

[1713] Fuck you, it's not our dance.

[1714] I'm like, oh my God.

[1715] And there was certain bits like that where people were like, cut.

[1716] Yo, right now, it would be like comedy police everywhere.

[1717] everywhere i mean so much of his bits were punching down it was an argument that i got in with a guy who wrote a book on comedy and he was telling me that comedy always has to punch up and i said no it doesn't that's crazy i go sam kinnison had one of the greatest bits of all time two of the greatest bits of all time one there was a dude who was getting fucked in the ass after he was dead yeah i want another committee that nominated and made that one of all times but go ahead And then the other one was the bit about watching someone Oh, this one burnt, I lost the ash here And the other one was a bit about us Watching a commercial To, will you please donate money To feed the starving children in Africa And he's saying, what just occurred to us You know, like there wouldn't be world hunger If you people would move where the food is He has this horrible fucking joke It's the worst punching down of all time He's making fun of starving children and it's so good.

[1718] Oh, it's just an observation.

[1719] I call it an observation.

[1720] And he's like, he goes, hey, we've got deserts in America too.

[1721] We just don't live in him, asshole.

[1722] He goes, don't send him food.

[1723] Send him you halls.

[1724] Send him something like me. He's going to take you where the food is.

[1725] And that's all he need to do is simple.

[1726] He had a joke where he was saying, he literally saying, see that?

[1727] See that?

[1728] It's fucking sand.

[1729] You know it's going to be 100 years from now?

[1730] Fucking sand.

[1731] Pack your kids.

[1732] We're going to take you where the food.

[1733] is and you were crying and it was the most ruthless and wrong thing that anybody could ever say you're talking about starving children and it was punching down you can make it all work you can make it all work we can make it all work he was he was punching down with earthquake like effects boom boom and then he hit him with a punch I probably killed it at the end with a punch it was unbelievably funny and it was one of the most punched down things you could ever do he's making fun of starving babies I think it could be done you can make fun of any It's just We have to know We have to know two things One, it's not really happening The way you're saying it Because you're just joking And it's comedy And it's an observation Yeah It's an observation Yeah Somebody said Donnell Can a joke be too soon And I don't think A joke could be too soon But it never could be Too soon for a funny observation It's the observation That we see We can go We can go to a fucking funeral And being that motherfucker On the inside Laughing like crazy Yeah And everybody going and talking about when we'll see you in heaven when you go to heaven assuming that everybody's going to go to heaven one of the best lines one of the best one of the best one liners i ever heard was from dave foley i was on news radio with dave foley and after phil hartman had gotten murdered by his wife and then his wife committed suicide yeah he was up for an emmy and uh so we all went you know uh and we all put on suits and shit and went to the emmys and uh he didn't the dude from uh frazier one and dave foley turns to look at us and goes what the fuck's you have to do to win and we're just like blah oh shit it was just one of those things in the moment our murdered friend just lost at the emies and he turns to us and goes what the fuck does he have to do to win And me and Stephen Rood, we're falling down in our chairs.

[1734] We're like, no, you didn't.

[1735] That's fucking funny.

[1736] There's no, there's no too soon.

[1737] It's just not funny.

[1738] Yo, you know, motherfucker's saying it's too soon.

[1739] I'm like, not always.

[1740] And it's going to be, it's going to be too late.

[1741] Because the minute you're saying it's too soon, somebody's going to jump on that shit.

[1742] Exactly.

[1743] Fuck it.

[1744] Exactly.

[1745] It's when you think about it, that's when it has to go down.

[1746] That's why I have this bit about that.

[1747] that dude who was visiting that uncontacted tribe and trying to convert him to Jesus and they shot him up with arrows I didn't say that.

[1748] It was an internet thing.

[1749] It's a story that's on the news and I made sure I made fun of it that day.

[1750] The moment I read it I started writing.

[1751] I was like, I'm not letting anybody have this one.

[1752] This guy visited uncontacted tribe with Bibles.

[1753] And then you're like this.

[1754] I got to do a set tonight.

[1755] Tonight!

[1756] Right now.

[1757] Right now.

[1758] I called up Adam.

[1759] I'm like you got to hook it up, dude.

[1760] Yo, I feel that.

[1761] I feel that way sometimes, man. It's like, fuck it.

[1762] I'm going for it.

[1763] Sometimes you just have to jump on something.

[1764] Man, if it doesn't make my stomach rumble a little bit, a little uncomfortable, it's, it's like, it's funny, but it's not like, you know, it's not your gut funny.

[1765] I want my gut to be happy.

[1766] You don't want one thing that I think we should really say is we should really thank all the real comedy club fans that are still coming out.

[1767] And one of the things that we're not getting were guys like you and me. perform wild people when we perform in front of comedy clubs we're not getting a lot of pushback man we're getting a lot of good crowds man it's great crowds and they want to do it's great crowds they want to hear that fucking voice man want to hear that crazy shit and did anything like like with me like it's weird because like I'll do shows I'll do like an improv saying and clearing some shit and then I'll have a sold -out show and I'm still club I dabble with little theaters and that's on a group of people whatever and I was like how many people follow me social media and it's like out of a room of like 500 it'll be like four people and I'm like wow that's fucked up but the thing is the show is still sold out you know so it's not followers I really believe I have real fans you know like people that whether it's through Instagram doesn't have to be there but they know this dude they didn't want to see them and those are the best shit the crowd that comes out to see you for sure 100 % you know there's one thing and we can't take anything for granted it's one thing to like go up like at a night at the comedy store where you know it's going to be a million comics you know it's going to be everybody in the stage you know you go to and this another thing and you perform it but it's another thing knowing when the people that are there are there just to see you yeah you know when they make a weekend of it you know that's dope it is it is it's a great responsibility too right yeah Yeah, but you're married to it.

[1768] But when it's, when it's like your only option for the most part, that's all I do now.

[1769] You know, so it's good.

[1770] Yeah, but it's like you're in control of your own destiny, man. I just think the only thing you're missing is the podcast.

[1771] I think your podcast would be gigantic.

[1772] I think I'm going to do it.

[1773] John know I'm going to do it.

[1774] You have to do it.

[1775] Beard it, my man. I'm telling him, he tells me like, we'll be talking and he'll be like, son, when are you going to do you?

[1776] I said, I'm doing Joe Rogan's podcast.

[1777] He was like, yeah, but son, when are you going to do yours?

[1778] You need to do one.

[1779] Like, you're so good at this.

[1780] Let's set it up.

[1781] Set it up, Jamie.

[1782] Too soon with Donnell Rawlins.

[1783] Too Soon?

[1784] Yep.

[1785] I like it.

[1786] I like it.

[1787] That's it.

[1788] That's the name.

[1789] Lock it up.

[1790] Someone buy Too Soon.

[1791] Don't be a dick.

[1792] Don't be a dick.

[1793] Give it to Donnell.

[1794] You'll get to Donnell.

[1795] Give it to Donnell and I'll reimburse you on PayPal.

[1796] Cash app.

[1797] Don't be an asshole.

[1798] That's so white, sir.

[1799] You got to get cash app.

[1800] That's what you're going to tell people.

[1801] you mean Uncle PayPal.

[1802] You can't say PayPal.

[1803] Cash app is a sponsor of this podcast.

[1804] It is Cash App is a shit.

[1805] It's a shit.

[1806] But PayPal does cash app you for anything?

[1807] They will.

[1808] Now, you can't say PayPal.

[1809] You got this cash app.

[1810] But I said it.

[1811] It's like saying Uncle Joe's coming over, guys.

[1812] No. Is he bringing his PayPal account?

[1813] PayPal's great for buying things online.

[1814] You don't use it?

[1815] Yeah.

[1816] But it's not the cool shit.

[1817] Cash app's the cool shit.

[1818] Cash app is the cool shit.

[1819] I'll cash app you.

[1820] I have a cash app thing too.

[1821] I'll do that.

[1822] No, I'm going to do it.

[1823] Too soon with Donnell.

[1824] I got to do it this year.

[1825] You should do it tomorrow.

[1826] You should literally do it tomorrow.

[1827] You're really good at it, man. Yeah.

[1828] Yeah, for real.

[1829] You're really good at it.

[1830] You'd be great.

[1831] You're natural.

[1832] It doesn't even make sense that you're not.

[1833] I'd be honored to help.

[1834] I want to do it.

[1835] Let's do it.

[1836] You're the podcast motherfucker.

[1837] Why not?

[1838] Fuck with the podcast, motherfucker.

[1839] I want a podcast, son.

[1840] I want everybody to do one.

[1841] I've left podcasts.

[1842] You are the king of the podcast.

[1843] Well, I got lucky.

[1844] I got in early, but I love podcasts, and I would love to listen to yours.

[1845] I'm going to do a podcast.

[1846] This sounds like a love fest.

[1847] I'm going to do a podcast.

[1848] You 100 % should do a podcast, and will 100 % be gigantic.

[1849] I guarantee your podcast would be like number one in iTunes within like a couple of months.

[1850] 100%.

[1851] 100%.

[1852] Probably the first episode would be close to the top.

[1853] People want to hear it.

[1854] So how would I get it off the first one?

[1855] How would I launch it?

[1856] I'll let you back.

[1857] I'll tweet it for you.

[1858] You tell me when you're doing it.

[1859] I'll put it on Instagram for you.

[1860] Jamie will help you find a way to set it up.

[1861] Just get you either with a microphone and a friend or, you know, another comedian or whatever.

[1862] So do you think it's important to engage with other people or can you do it?

[1863] Bill Burr does it entirely on his own.

[1864] It's amazing.

[1865] Ari Shafir does some of the best shit he ever does on his own.

[1866] Ari has these like long introductions.

[1867] He'll have a podcast as two hours, but his introduction is an hour.

[1868] And it's just Ari talking shit.

[1869] And it's some of my favorite stuff that he does.

[1870] does it by himself too.

[1871] Delia and Theo.

[1872] Theo, knows it by himself.

[1873] A lot of people do them by themselves.

[1874] I need to do one.

[1875] I really need to do one.

[1876] Well, you're really funny with other people.

[1877] I mean, if you could probably be just as funny by yourself, but you're a funny dude to interact with.

[1878] You know, like, I think you and another person would be great.

[1879] And, you know, you could just have a friend that's also a comedian.

[1880] The two you just start, you don't have to have guests.

[1881] You can just be talking shit about things that are going on on the news or talking shit about life or talking shit about, you know, pick a subject.

[1882] You could have Q &A's from the crowd.

[1883] They could ask you questions through email and you can read out those questions.

[1884] Why not, man?

[1885] Yeah, I have to do one.

[1886] Yeah, I have to do one.

[1887] A hundred percent.

[1888] It's been calling me. Let me help you.

[1889] I'm with it.

[1890] All right.

[1891] I mean, how would I turn that down?

[1892] You can't.

[1893] We're in motion.

[1894] People said we look like the black and white version of each other.

[1895] Thank you.

[1896] I don't know what, I don't even know what to say about that.

[1897] But it does look like your light skin me. That's hilarious.

[1898] I got a...

[1899] That's funny as shit.

[1900] I guarantee you, I have way more Neanderthal.

[1901] I have 57 % more Neanderthal than the average person.

[1902] That ain't...

[1903] That's not as hard as it seems.

[1904] Especially if you have a rifle.

[1905] But you still got to focus.

[1906] You got to focus.

[1907] Yeah, for a rifle, you do, but for a bow and arrow, that's when you really have to focus.

[1908] But it's an honest way to get me...

[1909] I just immediately hear, like a one just went past.

[1910] Yeah.

[1911] But it's an honest way.

[1912] way to get meat, you know.

[1913] I think, like, it's all, you know what, like, there's an honest way to earn your jokes.

[1914] There's an honest way to do stand -up.

[1915] There's an honest way to get meat.

[1916] I don't think everybody should do it.

[1917] You shouldn't have to.

[1918] A lot of people wouldn't, a lot of people wouldn't, if you told the average person, all right, you want chicken and just show him like six hens alive and it was like, you want chicken, there you go.

[1919] Yeah.

[1920] That motherfucker fucking chicken would rock before a motherfucker was able to skin it and do whatever they do to it but that's just how we're being raised it's a denial issue it's not a reality issue because the reality is they're still eating animals like crazy the denial is no one's killing them there's like a tiny tiny tiny tiny tiny tiny tiny tiny so you got to get somebody do your dirty work exactly so because someone's doing your dirty work you don't think it's dirty but everybody this is how this is the shit to get vegans caught out there yeah this conversation will turn them up to a vegan a little bit yeah there's something there's look look there's a reason why so many people accept veganism is because there's a lot of really good points where the biggest point is less animal cruelty you don't want to see animal suffer i don't want to see animal suffer yeah but you know what i don't hear you you're absolutely right but i don't hear people push that side of it as much as the the um dietary habits of it yeah you know my side i hear like it's carrots and this but you don't hear about no it's more about the animals you know what it really is there's two things it's it really is all about the animals for a lot of them and they're really right that it's better than the standard american diet that you eat in vegan food and healthy vegetable food all the time as long as you do it correctly it's way better than the standard american diet but it's also like fish is good for you just is it's good for you piece of salmon piece of salmon's good for you wild salmon that shit's really good for you Tune is good for you.

[1921] It is good for you.

[1922] This idea that it's not good for you is kind of crazy.

[1923] Like, meat is good for you.

[1924] The real problem is sugar and bullshit.

[1925] And you guys got that sorted out with the vegan diet, and some people have it sorted out with another diet.

[1926] The whole idea is to keep the poison out.

[1927] That's all it is.

[1928] They just get overzealous.

[1929] And then when people have an idea of something that they're doing that they think everybody should do, then they start telling everybody they should do it.

[1930] And then you don't want to listen.

[1931] Dude, when I was a little kid.

[1932] That's like what the fucking, um, The straws and the turtle shit.

[1933] Straws and a turtle?

[1934] Oh, whoa, whoa, yeah, yeah.

[1935] The whole shit, that started.

[1936] Plastic straws.

[1937] Yeah, it was like one motherfucker turtle.

[1938] And I understand it reaching out, but now you can't fuck with plastic straws.

[1939] Yeah, there was someone I retweeted their post.

[1940] I wish I could remember who the fuck said it, but they were laughing about how you can't buy straws.

[1941] But at Starbucks, they still have those plastic lids.

[1942] Like, what do you?

[1943] I know.

[1944] Every straw is made out of paper.

[1945] I got to ask for it, I want to, and then you get a paper straw, and that shit can all sloppy.

[1946] It's just, but I understand it, but somebody started it, and motherfuckers are fucking running with it.

[1947] Well, you know, they can make hemp plastic that's biodegradable.

[1948] They don't have to use the same stupid plastic that's made out of oil.

[1949] But they can do everything.

[1950] Hemp's about to change the world.

[1951] About to.

[1952] Shout out to natural cannabis.

[1953] I meant, these people told me they gave you one of those books.

[1954] Most likely.

[1955] The book, you probably have.

[1956] The book, it's got artwork.

[1957] It's really, really dope.

[1958] The cannabis people do?

[1959] Natural cannabis.

[1960] But it's like, you know, in our business, people are always handing us.

[1961] Yeah.

[1962] But this was like, it was art. It was like, it was like just little nugs of each strand.

[1963] And then they had where it from.

[1964] They had a different artist designed it.

[1965] Tate Fletcher gave me that.

[1966] That was that big ass book he gave me at the comedy store.

[1967] Yeah.

[1968] I saw Tony with one.

[1969] And then Ivy over there, he gave me one.

[1970] And it's dope and shit.

[1971] But this is the first time I saw something that maybe looked like, okay, this is the direction.

[1972] Like, everybody's going to be involved with this.

[1973] Dude, these dudes...

[1974] Everybody.

[1975] These dudes over here brought me a war case.

[1976] That war chest over there with that championship belt on the top of it.

[1977] That war chest at the bottom, that box...

[1978] That's all weed, man. Jesus Christ.

[1979] Jesus Christ, I'm going to open it up.

[1980] It's got LEDs.

[1981] You want to see what it looks like?

[1982] Yeah, hell yeah.

[1983] Fuck it.

[1984] Look at this.

[1985] I got this box from Mike Tyson.

[1986] Joe's walking over to the box.

[1987] Oh, can I be a little bit?

[1988] He might have forgotten that no one has a microphone.

[1989] No microphone Yeah No microphone That's all weed Sorry folks It's all right I don't want to leave you hanging And ladies and gentlemen But Yeah I'll be right back But I'm stopping But everything is got to be illegal I think Today's the birth of a new podcast Someone already bought They already bought too soon With Donnell .com Oh beautiful So he has to start They bought it They're going to get it to us And we're going to PayPal them Like regular white people Like regular white people No PayPal I'll use the cash app I'll sign up tomorrow I'll use the co -word Rogan and I'll get five bucks That's hilarious Just grab shit Whatever you want man That's the whole deal with that box That's the box of doom Shout out to Geno from L .A. Speedweed For hooking that up If you're in the middle of nowhere Or you're in one of those States that's still clinging To prohibition this shit is, son.

[1990] You don't understand.

[1991] No, I know.

[1992] Have it all.

[1993] Yo.

[1994] We'll get you a bag if you want, you want a bag.

[1995] Yeah, take a bag.

[1996] You got drops and shit.

[1997] There's places that we get arrested for all this.

[1998] And here in California, drops, yeah.

[1999] The future of California is 100 % legality.

[2000] We're legal.

[2001] These other states, their future, they need to catch up.

[2002] They need to pay.

[2003] have some laws.

[2004] We're living in the future.

[2005] We're living in the legal weed future.

[2006] Yo, I'm telling you, man, this shit.

[2007] Yo, this shit right here, L .A. would make you a snob, so.

[2008] Yo, L .A., when you go back to the West Coast, I mean, any other coasts for L .A., when you go back, people like, I got weed, and you'll be like this, what strand?

[2009] And they're like, what the fuck you mean?

[2010] What's strand?

[2011] I got some loud.

[2012] I got some fire.

[2013] I got some gas.

[2014] But this is dope.

[2015] yeah it's but you can't underestimate weed in some places one time ari and joey dyes and i we got cocky we were doing a show in philly and they gave us some weed but like it's philly weed man oh yeah that's the worst where you name it after the city you said it's philly weed we thought it was going to be like like low grade weed because it's in philadelphia but the guy got a hold of some o g cush strains from like 2001 and brought it back to philly and we were cripple and we were But you guys had to be the type of company that you knew you would have to find the best shit.

[2016] Yeah, well, he didn't know it was going to be that good.

[2017] Like, if I knew it was California weed, I would have backed off.

[2018] Right.

[2019] It's a different thing.

[2020] Once you say, now, California, well, and Denver's got that.

[2021] Yes.

[2022] I wonder who's going to be the next gangster state.

[2023] Oregon.

[2024] Don't have the right ring.

[2025] You know, Oregon.

[2026] It's got to be like Philly, something like you can say really quick.

[2027] Yeah.

[2028] It's, but this, it's hard to find bad weed today.

[2029] Weeds everywhere now.

[2030] Yeah, you got to think about the type of friends you have that would give you bad weeds.

[2031] Yeah.

[2032] There's no need for that.

[2033] At this comedy club down in Tampa or something.

[2034] I was like, you got some weed?

[2035] She was like, yeah, I got some weed.

[2036] I was like, all right.

[2037] So she gave me this joint.

[2038] And she said, yeah, it's some shit weed, but here you go.

[2039] And I said, what are you giving it to me for?

[2040] She was like, you wanted the weed I was like, why would I want some shit weed?

[2041] She got mad to me as if I was ungrateful.

[2042] I want to say, bitch, you smoke it.

[2043] That's what I wanted to say.

[2044] I wanted to say it, but I couldn't, son.

[2045] But I'm like this.

[2046] Yo, why would I want to smoke some weed that you just told me was garbage?

[2047] Just to say thank you.

[2048] Fuck that.

[2049] You can keep that shit.

[2050] It makes sense to keep it, right?

[2051] Yes.

[2052] Damn, is this childproof?

[2053] I look like a crackhead, son.

[2054] They're making some of the.

[2055] those hard to get off now i swear they're not oh bam look at that shit these are the best you can tell that's good stuff i know it's quite potent i know there's different levels there's there's three different ones three different colors find what you like this we got some batteries back there too yo that's what i don't have so why i feel like it's christmas right now man it is go grab one of those zip up there's a few of them there's three or four of them where these are the joints yeah no i like those little vape pans, they're great.

[2056] And you could regulate it.

[2057] They're good.

[2058] Once you figure out what it is...

[2059] What are these?

[2060] Just the charger.

[2061] For that?

[2062] Yeah.

[2063] Once you feel like what it is, like you get...

[2064] Why does this little battery look like it changed?

[2065] No, it's just a USB.

[2066] That's a USB port.

[2067] It screws into the bottom of the base of the battery.

[2068] All right.

[2069] Don't nobody moves.

[2070] Stay still.

[2071] I don't...

[2072] Oh, where?

[2073] Hold on a note.

[2074] Damn, it feels like you in a hospital when you get out of the room, man. You like got a row.

[2075] you got you got you got oh i'm about to get a shot yeah that's a weird thing oh there's a disposable battery no no rechargeable with that little USB thing that thing right there does it work what do you got to do with that one is that a five presser didn't check five no sometimes you press some five times it works work oh there you go ta -da powerful l -sb we yo this looks so cool man yeah it is cool yeah but in the LA, we get it delivered, folks.

[2076] All right, Joe.

[2077] Keep rubbing it in, man. All these people out there.

[2078] Keep rubbing it in.

[2079] Change the loss.

[2080] We're not going to meet you on the corner.

[2081] Change the laws.

[2082] All I'm saying is, it's aspire to inspire.

[2083] Keep moving.

[2084] But you can, in California, you can, can you mail weed?

[2085] No. But you can fly with it.

[2086] They will let you fly at LAX.

[2087] Yeah, I went for one of you motherfuckers to get caught with that because everybody, you're the third person.

[2088] Not caught, but you're the third person to say how easy it is.

[2089] Everybody's like this.

[2090] Oh, yeah, they'll let you.

[2091] I'm like, okay.

[2092] They won't let you land, though.

[2093] That's the issue.

[2094] That's what the problem was.

[2095] Somebody in Boston told me that shit.

[2096] Yeah, if you land in Delaware, they'll put you in a hole.

[2097] Yo, then what the fuck?

[2098] Then it's like you can't do it.

[2099] No, it's still stupid in, like, a bunch of states.

[2100] It's only legal in what, nine states now?

[2101] I think it's legal in nine states and maybe a few more medically.

[2102] How many all -tolds?

[2103] For legality, recreational.

[2104] I think it's still only four.

[2105] So what is that, but it's Nevada, too.

[2106] So it's Nevada, Nevada, Nevada, California, Oregon, Washington, Colorado, that's five.

[2107] Okay, so five.

[2108] And Boston, Boston is six, D .C. Recreational in Massachusetts.

[2109] Yep.

[2110] I think.

[2111] Check on that.

[2112] I think it passed when we were there, but they might not have their stores open yet sort of thing.

[2113] Oh, Ohio just passed medical and they just are now open.

[2114] See what Massachusetts has.

[2115] I'm pretty sure Massachusetts is recreational.

[2116] Come on, man. Grown adults.

[2117] Yo, I feel like something else needs to go in here, Joe.

[2118] It is.

[2119] It is?

[2120] Yeah, Massachusetts is.

[2121] Oh, no. What do you mean?

[2122] No, this is a pretty -ass pouch.

[2123] He's pretty, right?

[2124] Yeah, it's pretty, right?

[2125] Yeah, what company is that?

[2126] What was it saying on it?

[2127] Loud.

[2128] Loud.

[2129] Loud.

[2130] Shout out to loud.

[2131] Loud and clear.

[2132] I love those little things.

[2133] Yeah, that's cool.

[2134] You know what, that's a good dose before you go on stage.

[2135] Just a little.

[2136] A little quick, yeah.

[2137] Just a little, whoo, just a little pick me up.

[2138] Yeah, the worst of them.

[2139] Yep What is your pre -show ritual Do you have one?

[2140] No No, I like to have like you said Two puffs of weed Two puffs Little puffs or deep tracks No little puff You know Dave got me back on blunts Really?

[2141] Yeah Charlie got me on the first place When you hit me with the blunt When I first walked I was like Yo Joe slow down man We get it You're cool motherfucker That's all we use most of the time now.

[2142] When Charlie Murphy got me on them the first time, and then I was like, this is an interesting experience to be high and then nicotine high at the same time.

[2143] The two of them together are unique.

[2144] Right.

[2145] It's a different feeling.

[2146] And then I didn't do it again for a long time until I smoked with Dave and John Mayer.

[2147] Name drop.

[2148] And we're both smoking that stuff.

[2149] It's a nice guy.

[2150] Yeah, he's a dope guy.

[2151] He's a very, very nice guy.

[2152] He's a very, very nice guy with, like, these vapor shit that, like, squirt out, uh...

[2153] Smells?

[2154] Smells and shit.

[2155] Oh, like aromatherapy?

[2156] Yes, man. This motherfucker just, yo, I'm telling you, you got to watch out because he'll just, you can tell when he got his aromatherapy thing in his head.

[2157] Oh, my God.

[2158] Because he's just doing like this, right?

[2159] Mm -hmm.

[2160] And then he'll just come by you and be like, so how's everything, right?

[2161] And then...

[2162] It's probably real, though.

[2163] It's real, but he's supposed to give me one of the motherfucking machines.

[2164] Give him a wand.

[2165] Yeah, give you a wand.

[2166] I'm like, I like, I liked it.

[2167] He had like, like, it was like, like, lavender or something.

[2168] He was like, it was a crazy color, crazy way.

[2169] He was like just kept just doing like this.

[2170] Lavender.

[2171] Like he was a wizard of there.

[2172] What's that smell that you got to be careful of?

[2173] Oh, butchule.

[2174] What is the chile?

[2175] What is the chile?

[2176] Is it a plant?

[2177] Is it a chuli oil?

[2178] It's like a type of oil that, like, people are wearing, like a lot of hipsters were wearing, right?

[2179] Is it a hipster thing?

[2180] Or a hippie?

[2181] More hippie.

[2182] Hippy.

[2183] But what is it supposed to do?

[2184] Just a stinky oil.

[2185] People put on a spatula oil.

[2186] Put it up here and here.

[2187] I have some lotion.

[2188] I don't have it with me. Like organic with some magical elements.

[2189] That's pretty good.

[2190] Magical elements?

[2191] Yeah.

[2192] Yeah.

[2193] So what is John Mayer trying to do with this aromatherapy wand?

[2194] He's waving around everywhere.

[2195] I think he just wants people's sinuses to be open, man. I think he cares about people breathing.

[2196] That's considerate.

[2197] You know?

[2198] But when he has it, he's like a different.

[2199] person.

[2200] I mean, it's like he's like, like, it's powerful.

[2201] And he brings it around people that have been drinking.

[2202] So now you got to mix the smell of fucking rum for his goddamn lavender machine.

[2203] And he only has one machine.

[2204] So once he gets you addicted to it, you got to chase him.

[2205] And he's a little too handsome.

[2206] I don't even care about that part.

[2207] I just don't want him to have me chasing him for smells.

[2208] Because the last two times I've seen him, I was like, John, man. What's up with the fucking vapor thing?

[2209] He was like, you like that, don't you?

[2210] Like, he's got like a pimp.

[2211] He wants to hold it back from you.

[2212] Yeah, I'm going to find out who makes it.

[2213] I'm going to get my own.

[2214] You should get your home.

[2215] Yep.

[2216] Maybe I can get them to sponsor my new podcast.

[2217] I bet they would do it.

[2218] Too soon.

[2219] Too soon.

[2220] I like it.

[2221] It's born right here.

[2222] Yep.

[2223] It's inevitable.

[2224] I like it.

[2225] It's perfect.

[2226] I get to talk every, how often do it I have to do it?

[2227] Anytime you want.

[2228] That's the thing, yeah.

[2229] Yeah.

[2230] take time off.

[2231] Ari Shafir, when he went to Asia, he went on a walkabout for like, what is it, three months?

[2232] More than three months.

[2233] Arir Shafir vanished off the face of the earth, disconnected from social media, from his phone, from his email, everything.

[2234] He bought a burner phone and went to Asia and just traveled around for months and months and months and he just didn't do anything.

[2235] And then he came back.

[2236] He came back after three, four months, and it just picked right up where it left belong before.

[2237] And now he's doing one a week.

[2238] I want to do it, man. I got to do it.

[2239] It's easy You could literally do it from your phone I gotta do it And it's like I think people want People want me to do it I think I want you to do it I'm doing it let's do it I think Jamie wants you to do it Jamie Is that it?

[2240] Yeah people want you do it That's simple man So simple I don't gotta dance I make power moves We'll help you out It's super easy Say little bitch You can't fuck with me If you wanted to These is expensive These is red bottoms These is bloody shoes Say little bitch You can't fuck.

[2241] That's what I'm saying.

[2242] You can't fuck with me if you wanted to.

[2243] You could use that as your opening music.

[2244] Man, I'm telling you, that's it.

[2245] You can do whatever you want.

[2246] You can't fuck with me if you wanted to.

[2247] These is Spencer.

[2248] These is red.

[2249] This is gutter.

[2250] These is butter.

[2251] These is Brooklyn shoes.

[2252] Say, Lord, bitch.

[2253] You can't fuck with me if you wanted to.

[2254] These is expensive.

[2255] These is butter.

[2256] These is Brooklyn Shoes.

[2257] Please welcome too soon.

[2258] Hit the store, cop them both, bitch.

[2259] I don't got to choose.

[2260] And I'm quick, cut a knicker up so don't get comfortable.

[2261] Huh.

[2262] That's it, son.

[2263] No bleeps.

[2264] It's perfect.

[2265] I want to do it.

[2266] The other thing is that the, yeah, no bleeps ever.

[2267] Do anything you want.

[2268] All fuck -ups and all.

[2269] Let it roll.

[2270] Yeah, man. I want to do it.

[2271] You should do it.

[2272] I am going to do it 100 % Yeah everybody was Like my friends Everybody was like geeked out You're doing Joe's podcast You're doing Joe's podcast That's awesome That's awesome That's awesome I'm like I can't wait But my friend Keep telling me He says Donnell Fuck that Do your own You should do your own He's right Your friend loves you It's quite obvious It's making a lot of sense I like the fact I know motherfuckers I got wolves Wolfs Wolves?

[2273] That's a wolf outside, right?

[2274] Wulfs.

[2275] American World War off in London.

[2276] I don't know how to feel.

[2277] It feels very...

[2278] You can, you know, the thing about your podcast, too, is with technology today, you could literally do all of it on a phone.

[2279] Like, you don't need...

[2280] If you don't feel like...

[2281] If you feel like fucking around for a little bit, getting your feet wet, you can do everything from your phone.

[2282] You could stream from your phone.

[2283] You can record from your phone.

[2284] You can do everything.

[2285] What about...

[2286] Could I do just, just if I've recorded, I know that may be an app, but if I recorded like in my voice memo, just, what is it important, just to have my voice, or it has to be on a certain, like, platform or?

[2287] Oh, yeah.

[2288] Well, the voice recorder, like, on a phone, on an iPhone, the voice notes, I have made at least a dozen podcasts.

[2289] So I could use that?

[2290] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[2291] Just with that, that's been a dozen podcast.

[2292] A lot of them on planes.

[2293] like me and Tony Hinchcliffe would be on a plane.

[2294] I just have the phone between us.

[2295] We just start talking shit and drinking cocktails and laughing.

[2296] So the more important thing is the conversation.

[2297] Yeah, yeah.

[2298] It doesn't matter.

[2299] I mean, as long as you do your, like right now, we have a real professional setup.

[2300] We have a desk.

[2301] We have microphones.

[2302] Jamie, he's a real audio engineer.

[2303] He knows exactly what he's doing.

[2304] Everything sounds amazing.

[2305] But as long as you put the effort to give people a good solid product, occasionally you can have one where you're just talking on a phone.

[2306] Right.

[2307] They won't be upset.

[2308] It'll actually be kind of cool.

[2309] Like people will know, oh, these guys are on a plane.

[2310] You can hear the stewardess comes over.

[2311] But I like that.

[2312] Does that not normal?

[2313] No, it's not normal.

[2314] But you could totally do that too.

[2315] The thing is, like, if you just started doing that, people would love it.

[2316] And then let it just sort of figure its own, you know, as it gets bigger, figure its own path.

[2317] But you don't need a big investment to start.

[2318] You just need one of them little Zoom recorders.

[2319] I got a Zoom.

[2320] Yeah, perfect.

[2321] Microphone, two microphones.

[2322] I got money to just do it.

[2323] just do it just got to do it and you could do it you know here's a thing this thing um all right here's a thing with me why I was probably somewhat hesitant I'm like man everybody got a goddamn podcast yes but but if you're with the right network of people and you're with the right network of people people people if you're in the network of people with we're talking about you did theo show you do my show you'll do Joey Diaz's a show have you done Joey show yet I haven't done Joe's show everybody does everybody show and everybody does it yeah all the these guys funny people you do their show and then everybody knows oh okay and then it's all in the same group of people and everybody gets a bump everybody gets a bump everyone as long as everybody is succeeding and everybody's doing well and there's more and more podcasts and if i say hey you should see this guy's podcast you see god else's podcast can i say something right now joe for all the black people that are listening right now could you please take a note of what joe just said for the last minute.

[2324] Networking.

[2325] You got a network.

[2326] All the family.

[2327] It's everything.

[2328] And more importantly, everybody gets a bump.

[2329] Everybody gets a bump.

[2330] Everybody gets to eat.

[2331] Including me. Everybody who's even the people that are making more money, everything's better for everybody.

[2332] And it feels better.

[2333] It feels better when everybody's doing great.

[2334] Man, I'm telling you, 100 % on that.

[2335] And that's like, I'm with you 100 % on it.

[2336] And it's not, it's really, simple yeah it's really simple it's um it's hard when you're struggling because when you're struggling you feel isolated and you feel alone you feel like it's you versus everybody else but it's really not and one of the things about comedians is we've we've had this conversation many times we try to figure out what the number is i don't know what the number is but it might be less than a thousand on the whole planet on the whole planet earth of seven billion people there might be a thousand legit comedians and i'm probably being real generous when i say that i'm with you 100 % if i run into a dude like you or any other real legit comedian, that is a rare human being.

[2337] There's not a whole lot of us.

[2338] If we don't stick together, who the fuck will?

[2339] Nobody.

[2340] Who's the alarm's going off?

[2341] Dude, you going to sleep?

[2342] No, mine.

[2343] Damn.

[2344] I'm like, I'm in a dream.

[2345] Imagine if we just that alarm went off and I woke up to pee.

[2346] I was like, fuck, I was dreaming.

[2347] Yo, you got me one to do a podcast, son.

[2348] I'm going to do it.

[2349] I'm like, this is the epic podcast.

[2350] Yeah, man. I really I really believe that.

[2351] I really do believe that.

[2352] But I believe that about all that shit.

[2353] It's good for everybody.

[2354] It's good for all of us.

[2355] It makes sense.

[2356] That's what I was saying.

[2357] I was making a point, not being funny, but making a point.

[2358] And I was like, Black Floak that are listening right now, listen to the strategy and listen to what he just said.

[2359] Listen what he just said.

[2360] It has nothing to do with anything other than community.

[2361] All the other shit that's in your head in terms of competitiveness is in your own head.

[2362] When you have that stage, that's your stage.

[2363] You're there for 15 minutes or 20 minutes, whatever you're set is.

[2364] That's yours.

[2365] What everybody else does should be fuel.

[2366] It should inspire you.

[2367] And we should support each other because there's not many of us.

[2368] But I'm telling you, bro, and that's the, I'm with you 100%.

[2369] But that is the one of the troubling factors in a lot of communities, like the support goes away.

[2370] Yeah.

[2371] You know what I mean?

[2372] Motherfuckers talk.

[2373] They talk.

[2374] Everybody talk.

[2375] But do you know why?

[2376] I really believe this.

[2377] Why the support goes away?

[2378] The famine mentality.

[2379] Famine, what do you mean?

[2380] They feel like there's not enough for everybody.

[2381] Everybody had this feeling for the longest time with there's not enough for everybody.

[2382] And I think that's a crazy way to think of things.

[2383] There's more than enough for everybody.

[2384] There's 300 million people.

[2385] How many fucking people do you need in your audience?

[2386] Like, you should realize if you really enjoy doing stand -up, you'd want these people to become fans of stand -up, so you'd want to tell them about all these other comedians.

[2387] Tell them about Joey Diaz.

[2388] Tell them about, you know, fill in the blank, Tony Hinchcliff, whoever it is that you think is hilarious.

[2389] Tell them, tell them.

[2390] There's a lot out there to see, man. This is a great time.

[2391] Yeah, but motherfuckers, I'm telling you certain communities, they just don't want to, they don't want to tell motherfuckers be just on their, on their self and themselves so much that they don't want to help.

[2392] They don't want to reach out.

[2393] And it's like, you know what I'm saying?

[2394] Like, the conversation you're having with me right now, it's simple for you because, you know, those are the type of friends and those type of people you deal with.

[2395] But some people, you know what I mean?

[2396] I do know what you mean.

[2397] You know what I mean?

[2398] They have other fucked up shit.

[2399] Like, yeah.

[2400] I look at it like people I hang with Chappelle and these other guys, like we are, like I'm around some powerful motherfuckers, but we're friends first and foremost, but everybody don't think like that.

[2401] Yeah.

[2402] That's a tough one.

[2403] It is a tough one, but it's just a matter of a shift in the way you view things.

[2404] Just look at it.

[2405] Just try, don't let go of your beliefs.

[2406] Just try to look at it in another way.

[2407] Try to look at another way.

[2408] So you're way better off if you're a team.

[2409] You're way better off of this.

[2410] camaraderie.

[2411] Like, when you do a show, when you do a show with someone who's a murderer, a murderer and they go on in front of you, you're way better off if you're laughing.

[2412] When you go on that stage, you're way better off if you're loose.

[2413] Like, you just had a good time laugh.

[2414] But if you're tense, like I told you I bombed with Jim Brewer, I was backstage freaking out.

[2415] I was like, God damn, I got to follow this.

[2416] How the fuck am I going to follow this?

[2417] But you was way younger, but I was going to eat shit.

[2418] I knew I was going to eat shit.

[2419] But another thing, Joe, it probably wasn't, and it's hard to get away from whatever your first experience is going to be.

[2420] you know what I'm saying it's probably your first experience it happened like that like a real bomb like a like a oh I couldn't do shit about it yeah like I was supposed to do 45 minutes I got offstage at 35 but you went back in the gym I did I had to yeah but that the thing is like Jim and I've always been friends and I've been friends with a lot of people that made me eat shit going on after them it didn't matter that the thing about it is that like and I've even after all these years I feel genuinely honored to be a part of this group of people Yeah.

[2421] Because we do something that is my favorite thing to watch.

[2422] That's a group of people, but like you say, it's like a limited circle of like, there's no other way to say it, but real motherfuckers.

[2423] It's a small circle.

[2424] It's an okay motherfuckers.

[2425] Right, right, right.

[2426] You know, it's a motherfucker that you're like, they say, somebody say somebody name, and you're like this, okay.

[2427] Okay.

[2428] And they're like, no, you're like, I heard you, right?

[2429] You're like, I heard you.

[2430] But this is the real folks.

[2431] And like you say, they got to stay united.

[2432] I tell you a couple weeks ago and I was with Dave and he said he said comedians it's time to grab our balls because now more than ever we are the only people that we have to talk about what's fucked up in the world yes we have to we can't keep it to ourselves no it's not fair to nobody it's too confusing right now because it's too dangerous to have any controversial ideas people are getting in trouble for left but you don't have no balls though yeah yeah yeah when you own it you own it you own it if you own it if you own it, you own it.

[2433] Yeah, you Charlie Sheen that shit.

[2434] You know?

[2435] And normally, I'm telling you, if you have a, like a good, people know your character, if you own it, they know what you meant to say.

[2436] They know, they know.

[2437] Exactly.

[2438] Come on, man. Really?

[2439] Yeah.

[2440] You know?

[2441] If you own it.

[2442] Like, someone was asking me, why do you think Charlie Sheen never got Me Too?

[2443] I was like, what is, what are you going to do to him?

[2444] He hasn't already done himself.

[2445] The guy was on ABC Goodman.

[2446] what you're going to do is because you know why they didn't know nobody to them because they didn't want him to have another show oh right yo think about it yeah if he would have got me too he'd have been the headlines and he would have found the show somewhere let's talk about that like collectively there was a period of time where hollywood lost their fucking mind and they were giving out these deals where if you got a certain amount of episodes they signed you up for a hundred episodes and that's what happened with anger management charlie sheen show charlie sheen made more money off that show that he did it even off three and a half men but people don't know that he knows that he's the only one that needs to know yeah he's the only but it's a crazy story they used to sign shows tv's 200 million dollar charlie sheet an experiment they used to sign these shows and they would sign these shows in the anticipation of it being a huge success right so they did that with him they did it with george lopez and they gave the money up front they give you a certain percentage you know it's like i don't know how it's structured but apparently The point is that they sign up for a giant number of shows, not 13, not 22.

[2447] They sign you up for a giant number of shows.

[2448] And by doing that somehow or another, they, you know, right after Charlie Sheen had his whole scandal leaving two and a half men, he went on to have, make way more money than ever before.

[2449] That's crazy.

[2450] He's got a crazy career, man. Legit movie star, gigantic TV star, also talks about smoking a lot of crack.

[2451] right was it crack you're talking about or coke what was he saying i think crack doing yeah doing drugs yeah i don't think i've ever had a crack conversation with anybody i don't think so either there's no crack advocates no people you like this weed advocates nobody's nobody's like yo last night was a little weird you know what i mean like yo i had too many you can't say you got too many beers too many glass of wine i'd had too many crack rocks come on man yeah there's a certain darkness to giving into that glass dick once you start going down that road you know you've already you've made a choice you know there's no critical thinking involved there that's debauchery that's the happiness you chose everybody chooses different happiness i had a friend who did a lot of crack back in new york it was weird he would he would have to drink like 40 ounces of uh of malt liquor to try to calm down because he'd be just so jacked up from the crack i had a crack friend i was like i gave so many opportunities just to be cool and he crackhead, he gave me a crackhead experience once.

[2452] It was like, it was almost to McDonald's, bro.

[2453] We was waiting for McDonald's and we gave him the money.

[2454] They was like, oh man, we were like, we know you're a crackhead, but don't crack head us.

[2455] You know what I'm saying?

[2456] Go outside of our community, but like here, don't do that, bro.

[2457] Yeah, my friend was brilliant too.

[2458] Brilliant, brilliant guy, but he had just like mental problems and he just needed to get high all the time.

[2459] He never wanted to be.

[2460] It was his escape?

[2461] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[2462] He never wanted to be alone with his thoughts.

[2463] that's a tough one for a lot of people it was a real one for him because he was brilliant he's a brilliant guy but he was also homeless half the time i knew him you know it was a lot going on man with him a lot going on but he was he nobody could help him no he was too stubborn he would listen he he would just vanish and disappear and do drugs for a few days then come back and he could do math in his head like you could say to him 99 times 54 times six minus five divided by three When he was sober Yeah And he would just banging out He would just tell you What it is Quick $2 ,000 He would tell you And like You'd be there With a calculator You're like You motherfucker Yeah It was crazy But he couldn't He couldn't manage His own brain To the point We could stay away From hard drugs And eventually Die out of an overdose Yeah That's usually Yeah That's how it goes That's usually How that one goes Yeah It's not too Yeah It's like this Yeah, like not to me, motherfuckers, come back from that.

[2464] They don't come back from the needle.

[2465] Nope.

[2466] They don't come back from none of this shit.

[2467] It's hard.

[2468] I mean, it is possible, but you need some help.

[2469] That's one of the reasons why that 12 -step shit works.

[2470] We really give in the God or the higher power.

[2471] It's like you're going to have to somehow or another think there's something more important than what you're doing.

[2472] Otherwise, you're never going to stop this shit.

[2473] Yeah, but those people become like big sex addicts and shit too.

[2474] Coffee and cigarettes.

[2475] Like, you're like, motherfuckers, anybody you know who used to be a heroin addictic, they want to fuck everything.

[2476] They want a coffee, son, they want to call me in some ass, son.

[2477] They don't give a fuck, sad.

[2478] Give me the ass for us, coffee, whatever it is.

[2479] You do know, uh, yo, that's so fucking funny.

[2480] So true.

[2481] Everybody did I know they had a situation.

[2482] The motherfuckers on coffee hard shit.

[2483] They don't ever get rid of those tendencies.

[2484] They just try to figure out a way to...

[2485] Put it somewhere else.

[2486] Yeah, it's more socially acceptable.

[2487] Yeah, or it's marathon running or some shit.

[2488] Yeah.

[2489] There's a lot of those.

[2490] And they go hard.

[2491] Those newly gym motherfuckers can go on and know it.

[2492] Donnell, I think we birthed a new podcast today.

[2493] Yo, you know what I just did and I know there's a reason why I'm here's a reason why I bumped it to you in the show and we see each other in passing.

[2494] We've been talking about doing this for a long time.

[2495] You know what I mean?

[2496] But I don't, like, when I see in the comedy club, I'm like this, yo, that motherfucker working, I'm working.

[2497] What's up?

[2498] I know you Joe Rogan, yada, yada.

[2499] But I was like, you do your shit I'm like but when I see I be like there to work but I'm glad we had this conversation I just did Bert's cooking show and I took that shit over son they was like yo this might be my week of getting show son they was like yo you should do a cooking show right I went to Bert shit Bert was like this I think I just gave my show to Donnell right then I come here then Joe Roggan's like yo Donnell let's do a show we can do it right here like You have to do a show fuck it let's do it You have to do a show.

[2500] Yeah.

[2501] And like I said, you start off easy.

[2502] Just put a microphone on your iPhone.

[2503] It's nothing.

[2504] It's easy to do.

[2505] I got all that.

[2506] I'm going to do it.

[2507] Beautiful.

[2508] Yes.

[2509] Hey, this is a lot of fun.

[2510] Thanks for having.

[2511] Thank you.

[2512] Thank you, sir.

[2513] Thank you very much.

[2514] That was a good time, man. Always good to see you, man. And congratulations, congratulations on all your success and however many years you've been doing it.

[2515] Because when I was first introduced, I knew like Fear Factor, you know, I didn't even know that you did stand up until I came out here.

[2516] Wow.

[2517] I didn't even know that.

[2518] You know what I thought?

[2519] I was like, oh, that's the TV nigga, right?

[2520] I don't believe this, son.

[2521] I was like, that's the TV nigga right there, right?

[2522] That TV nigga do podcasts, too?

[2523] Right?

[2524] And then I was like, that nigga do stand -up, too?

[2525] And I was like, all right, but he's a podcast, nigga, right?

[2526] And then when I saw you do your show, I was like, he'll go hard, motherfucker, I appreciate your work ethics and everything you do.

[2527] Thank you, brother.

[2528] I appreciate you too, man. I appreciate your perspective on comedy, your approach, your ethics, the whole deal man i appreciate you i appreciate you being around the comedy store too it's awesome all right dono ladies and gentlemen