#549 - Big Jay Oakerson

[0] Is it fucking up again?

[1] No, you said you didn't want to do music, so I unplug it.

[2] Oh, you already unplugged it.

[3] That's how wonky our fucking system is.

[4] You need a better system where you can't just unplug.

[5] Oh, no, I mean, I usually unplug it just so nothing bad happens.

[6] Like in the middle of it, I get like an instant message or something, and you're like, what the fuck was that?

[7] Do you get instant messages on your iPad?

[8] No, but I'm saying if something like that were to happen, you know?

[9] Gotcha.

[10] Big Jay, what up, dog?

[11] Yeah, buddy.

[12] Thanks for coming in, man. Thank you for having me. It's very exciting.

[13] What is that?

[14] e -cigarette you're puffing on you know congress is trying to fucking ban those finally that's fine they're stepping in the government's stepping up and ending these evil evil e -cigarettes that are stealing money from the mouths of the babies of the families that own the tobacco companies which is marlborough who makes your preferred brand logic and i do the logic zero no nicotine that's no no nicotine oh i see so it's like uh just a a half a thing crutch yeah but I haven't it's actually looked yesterday on my 29 days from a year that's interesting that that's interesting like a zero tobacco thing that just fills the habit because you got a habit of pure water vapor yeah wow and there's no feeling whatsoever do you get like a little mental thing that happens a mental thing yeah when I get the itch to go like the things I've always wanted to do what are you putting up they just uh New York just said that now uh e -cigarettes are allowed to have paid commercials during movies now And this has not, you know, they haven't had that for 16 years since regular cigarettes were.

[15] Wait a minute, wait a minute.

[16] You mean before the movie plays?

[17] Yeah, like paid product placements.

[18] Oh.

[19] But wait a minute, that's not a product placement.

[20] Is that before the movie or in the movie?

[21] Paid product placements and films has been off limits for tobacco companies for 16 years.

[22] So now they're allowed to have paid, like in movies, they're allowed to be paid.

[23] So what you're saying is like if you watch the Incredibles or whatever.

[24] And they all pull it out east.

[25] They're smoking e -cigarettes.

[26] They're getting paid for that.

[27] I don't know why I said the incredible.

[28] I was going to say it.

[29] Toy story.

[30] Well, I was going to say, what's the November man?

[31] What's the new one?

[32] Peter's Prasman, so if he's smoking an e -cigarette, it's one of those things.

[33] Right.

[34] If he gets paid to do it.

[35] That's so weird.

[36] They do that on television.

[37] You know, like you'll only be able to use Mac computers on some shows.

[38] It's so weirdly obvious, too.

[39] I was a member American Idol.

[40] Every judge happened to be drinking a Coke turned out to the right.

[41] Yeah.

[42] Yeah, well, there's that, too, and there's just, there's also, like, on certain shows, like, you'll see everything, even movies.

[43] You'll see, like, every product is a Sony, and they'll close up on the Sony phone when someone gets a phone call, so you see the Sony logo, and it'll be on a Vio laptop, and you go, oh, Sony has a deal in this movie.

[44] Actually, when it's not Sony, it seems like it's always not, like, they always use Apple computers, and they always have the sticker over the Apple logo or iPhones, but they have the Apple logo covered up for some reason.

[45] and like every single TV show.

[46] So it's almost like Apple's like, no. It's obviously an Apple, though.

[47] You have to pay us to show that Apple.

[48] No, no, you've got it totally wrong.

[49] It's the opposite.

[50] Yeah, it's they don't get paid by Apple, so they cover it up.

[51] That's what it is.

[52] If Apple paid them, then they would have.

[53] Yeah, they're like, we're not going to advertise your thing.

[54] But isn't it weird that it seems like every show does use Apple products in all their shows?

[55] They want to.

[56] You know, there's like a cult of Apple in Hollywood, for sure.

[57] You know, I'm not sucking my own dick, but I did a show called P. Diddy's Bad Boys of Comedy on HBO.

[58] And that was, it turns out, that was just an entire season of a TV show to promote Sean John clothing.

[59] Really?

[60] And they made you, you had to wear it when you did stand -down?

[61] So they dressed me up in, like, hip -hop clothes.

[62] It's great.

[63] It's really easy.

[64] You had to wear their clothes to do stand -up on their show.

[65] And all they could find in my size was a short sleeve, like, zip -up sweater that said Sean John across the front really big.

[66] Oh, my God.

[67] And I was about 70 pounds heavier than I am now.

[68] Wait a minute.

[69] You did stand up with a Sean -John shirt on because they made.

[70] you wear it oh yeah i mean i did beaties comic view with my pant leg rolled up in my first like year of comedy i think one pant leg rolled up like hello cool jay i bought in full wigger i went hard on did you for how long just you know what it was i figured out i started out in a black comedy room and i just found out i could fucking destroy if i just went right to him right on that level now i actually loathe that kind of comedy and it's fun to expose that like the white guy who goes to a black room and just like come on y 'all you know when you buy a bitch a drank and then that bitch walk away i'm gonna go dancing with that drank bitch i bought it and but you know yeah yeah yeah just you know every jokes are you up in a club well there's a few white guys who take on that role with zealous intention yeah there's a few of those white guys there's always like one or two of those out there that like get known as a white guy who does black rooms oh man yeah gary owen I've watched him It blows my goddamn mind I have no idea It's like listening to What's funny is that when you If they turn the microphones off On the audience You'd be like And you said there's all black people in the audience You'd be like well they're probably furious Right at what's happening Like they're basically being called clowns Like they won't understand A white guy unless he does this And then you turn on the volume of the audience And they're just roaring Highfiving just losing their shit in the audience You're like really?

[71] It's such like a It's such a grand scheme pander it blows my mind you're allowed to do that panda though as long as it's like positive you're allowed to do that pander if you do it good it seems phony it seems so phony it seems really phony because there's guys i work with in the black circuit when i started that like fantastic comics black out like bill burr used to do some of those rooms you know but isn't it weird that like no one has any issue whatsoever with uh a black guy who does like alternative comedy like that really deadpan you know no one's got a problem with a very white nerdy comedy no one no one would say he's taking on the affectation of the white nerds no but i'll tell you what that guy eats shit in a real black comedy room yeah the black nerd right right the black nerd is not accepted by it no well the white guy who acts like a black guy eats shit in a lot of white comedy clubs yeah that's what happened when i first came to new york and i was dude.

[72] They're ridiculous.

[73] It's so crazy that they make you wear their clothes.

[74] This lady would not stop hunting.

[75] You couldn't say no. Couldn't say no. It was a part of the deal.

[76] There was also some contract where in that word, he was your manager for like three years beyond that show or something.

[77] Like he got a managerial cut of anything.

[78] Because assuming anything you got moving forward from Pete Did he's Bay Boys of Comedy somehow was because of them.

[79] It was because of P. Diddy.

[80] That's no joke, man. I've seen that in reality show contracts.

[81] I've seen that where friends were thinking about going on a reality show and they brought the contract to someone and it turns out like say if you're like on a, you know, if they created some new show like a real housewives type show and then you became like the breakout star and took off and had like cookbooks and shit like a lot of these chicks do and started making bank.

[82] They get a big fat piece of that man. That's not all yours on some of these contracts.

[83] Oh yeah, because you'll be, it'll even be called, like, oxygen networks, whatever chick presents.

[84] Yeah, it could be.

[85] I mean, you're allowed to use that in your credit, you know, like, as seen on, you know, Sean Diddy's bad boys of comedy.

[86] You're allowed to use that.

[87] You know what I'm saying?

[88] What a ridiculous show.

[89] They'll own you.

[90] Like, they're saying that you have no value other than the value that they gave you.

[91] I mean, they own it.

[92] Like, they don't just, they don't benefit from having a talented person on their show that rewards them and gets them ratings, which in turn gives them more advertising.

[93] No, no, no, no. They want a piece of your future prosperity.

[94] Your future prosperity based on you being an entertaining person that they put on television.

[95] So not only do they want to pay people just a shit, tiny amount of money, then they want to script what they're doing, but then treat them like they're not even actors.

[96] They treat them like they're these weird slaves.

[97] I think these robots that they made to be out there in the world, yeah.

[98] Yeah, because no actors let anybody do that.

[99] You don't get on a sitcom and they say, okay, we own all your book sales.

[100] And you're fucking, you know, anything you do in the movies or anything from here on out.

[101] But the reality stars, though, are you totally against it?

[102] Because there's some issue of the reality stars, though, are completely made by the network.

[103] They are, not slaves to...

[104] So what, though?

[105] But, yeah, but...

[106] How is it any different than actors?

[107] Because actors are better at it?

[108] Because they're...

[109] Because there's a skill there.

[110] Yeah, there's something that's like...

[111] What about the ones that suck?

[112] Yeah.

[113] But, I mean, like, do you think, like, uh...

[114] Like, Snookie should always give some...

[115] kick back to MTV to some degree?

[116] No, no, I don't, I just agree.

[117] Chef Gordon Ramsey?

[118] Well, he's singing, I think those are his shows.

[119] I don't know, he's on like four different shows.

[120] Yeah, but I think those are his shows.

[121] Yeah, he creates those.

[122] You know what I'm saying?

[123] Like, he's a pretty famous dude.

[124] That's not a good example.

[125] And he also has a skill.

[126] It's like he's a world -renowned chef.

[127] It's not like Snooky, you know?

[128] You know what I'm saying?

[129] It depends on what you do, though.

[130] It depends on what you do, though.

[131] If you're like the guy who's on the bachelor and he owns like a horse stable, if after that show, the horse stable's business, picks up huge I don't think there should be any kickback from some like that but if he does something moving on like another reality show like the bachelor all stars whatever thing like sure I think for some degree dude I think that's crazy talk I think a person who's working for you when they're doing something like that if you're a producer of a television show or an executive and a network or what have you who I don't know who's getting the money and you hire someone you're hiring someone because you think that they're going to be the best performer in this production that you're putting on.

[132] Sure.

[133] Let's stop pretending their reality shows.

[134] Sure, okay.

[135] The only reality show is fucking cops.

[136] Okay, you know how you know it's a reality show?

[137] Because one of the guys got shot and killed the other day, because it's real.

[138] Really?

[139] Yeah, the sound guys, and they filmed the whole thing like regular cops style.

[140] Yeah, the guy got shot and killed.

[141] The fucking sound guy did.

[142] That's the only real reality show.

[143] There's videos out there?

[144] No, it hasn't been released.

[145] Yeah, it's a really recent thing.

[146] But when you're watching a lot of these shows, whether it's about selling cars or, you know, whether it's about being in a pawn shop, it's all rigged yeah it is everybody knows what the subject's going to be beforehand they know what the scenario is they're painting so you're basically an actor you're into some quasi actor okay they can't they put you on the show say if we we do fucking big big jays grill house and uh i decided i'm going whole hog and then you see like a hog spinning around on a thing big jay i do stand -up comedy but i also love cooking so i decided to open up and then And they, what, they own you?

[147] They own you?

[148] They own a piece of you forever?

[149] That's more shit.

[150] The reason why they want you on the show in the first place, whether you're some crazy housewife that fucking gets piled up and starts screaming at people, or whether you're Charlie Sheen, if he ever does a reality show.

[151] The reason why they want you is because they think people are going to tune into you and they're going to benefit from that.

[152] Like, they can't own you because they made you.

[153] Fuck on.

[154] No, you're right.

[155] And I guess who are you talking about originally.

[156] I can't even remember who you're talking about.

[157] Not talking about anybody in specific.

[158] I'm talking about these reality shows.

[159] Oh.

[160] These reality shows where they take people and, you know, we're talking about him being forced to wear those shirts.

[161] And I'm saying that these shows that, like him saying that he was going to be managing him for three years afterwards, they connect people in these weird ways where they'll own you for like a long time.

[162] After your thing, they'll get a kickback.

[163] But I guess you're right.

[164] Even an example that I use, I guess like Snooki really like she was cast to do something.

[165] Of course she was.

[166] In essence, she is an actor.

[167] When that camera's on you, man, let's be real.

[168] it's very difficult for people to be themselves.

[169] It's just very difficult.

[170] When the camera's on you and they say ready go, you're performing.

[171] Whether you're performing in some weird sort of a sitcom -ish reality show that's just not based on.

[172] I know what the fuck is really going on.

[173] Like, did you see Alan Thick show?

[174] What?

[175] No. He had an Alan Thick had this reality show.

[176] You would watch him and you go, why didn't you just do a sitcom?

[177] Like, it's just so set up.

[178] It's so set up.

[179] Everything is set up.

[180] Gene Simmons thing is like that too.

[181] Exactly.

[182] It's sad, and I love Gene Simmons.

[183] I love Gene Simmons.

[184] Do you have a kiss shirt on?

[185] Yeah.

[186] I love kiss.

[187] I found a letter the other day that Paul Stanley's coming in.

[188] I found a letter the other day that I read, I wrote rather, to some magazine when I was 11 years old.

[189] Like a kiss letter.

[190] Yeah, my mom saved it.

[191] So I'm going to bring it in and read it to Paul Stanley.

[192] What's his new show?

[193] Don't they have a new show?

[194] Gene Simmons has a new show.

[195] Him and Paul Stanley have some arena football show.

[196] I don't know what they're doing.

[197] I don't know what they're doing But the reality show That reality show Those are hard to watch Especially with ones like Why is Mark Wahlberg Doing a reality Like he's killing it in life But yeah But he's getting exposed As being a dufus By his reality show That's what I mean It makes him look like It just looks like a desperate move When it's not It's a narcissistic move I don't even think it's that I think he probably wants to help All those other people out That's helping his brothers Yeah he's helping his brothers And his family out It's admirable Helping them, like, actually helping them, like, giving them money, so it's, like, come earn a little bit, I guess.

[198] I think having him a part of it, without a doubt, I mean, he's a mega movie star.

[199] Having him a part of it ensures its success.

[200] People want to see Mark Wahlberg hanging around with his family, period.

[201] I'll watch a show, a reality show that I find interesting to some degree.

[202] At least give it a couple chances.

[203] I couldn't, and I very much enjoy Mark Wahlberg.

[204] Yeah.

[205] But I couldn't even drum up a reason to give it a shot to watch that.

[206] It's hard.

[207] Other than to watch it for the wrong.

[208] reasons and if he's welcoming that that's kind of weird well what we were saying earlier i think is really true about these reality shows being completely scripted but the reason why is because these kind of shows can happen where they're just boring nothing's happening you know if the Kardashians aren't fighting with their mom or fighting with their boyfriend and this guy's out of rehab or that girl's pregnant it's always like something you're tuning into there's always some chaos so they know how to hook you up oh the best one is the the best show by far and i recommend that actually like watch it it's great even if you skim through it on DVR the Bad Girls Club I've heard of it I can watch that over and over Those girls They're pieces of shit I mean these chicks are Like garbage And every week they fight They fight over Just immediately out of the gates It's like this bitch thinks she's cute And they're like what'd you say bitch And then they Hospital fights Fights that get in them at the hospital Well that's how they stay on television Oh yeah And then the producers come out and they say like look We let you guys fight, you know, it happens, but you hit her in the eyeball with a high heel, so we're going to have to ask you to leave.

[209] And that's like a teary, like, you know, I'm going to miss my girls.

[210] It's ridiculous.

[211] Hit her in the eyeball with a high heel.

[212] Yeah, man, and people will take things to the next level because that's how you get noticed.

[213] If you don't take things to the very next level, you don't get noticed.

[214] Yeah, it works.

[215] I mean, that's why, I mean, the UFC is such a great example.

[216] It's buried boxing, you know what I mean?

[217] It sort of has.

[218] Well, the problem with, boxing is there's only like a few big stars that there's like a few fights that you want to see and it's they're just going to punch like the floyd way of whether um my donna fight this past weekend right mayweather's a master he's a master boxer it's beautiful to watch i mean he really knows how to fight i mean he's just one of the rare real like him and bernard hopkins james tony is a good example just the real uh andre ward just boxing masters like if you understand how difficult it is what they're doing it's amazing yeah but you're watching a guy paint a beautiful picture where in MMA you get that too and you get to satisfy that gladiator you want to see two guys fight I get my ears perk up on any time I see people fighting on the street or anything it's like yeah that's human DNA yeah well the this the added elements of takedowns and chokes and slams and it makes it more crazy kicks and if you're a guy who's a fighter if you're a young man who can box the reason why there's no stars I think is you're almost like I could probably learn some spin kicks and really like that's such a much more glorious way to win is, you know, the cage, like, you know, Anthony Pettus cage kicks wins are like the prettiest thing you've ever, better than any, you know, or at least tied with any great Tyson knockout.

[219] And I love Tyson knockout.

[220] Brian, what are you doing?

[221] There's that fight that we were talking about earlier where a student, a black girl, attacks a teacher and starts slapping him and stuff like.

[222] Don't say what it is.

[223] Let's show it.

[224] Are we going to get in trouble for this?

[225] No. Is this World Star Hip -Hop?

[226] No, I think it's it was on the news that's the best so this is like someone's film it with their iPhone yeah is that what happened yeah oh lower the shit oh my god she's attacking the teacher whoa this is crazy this chick is just swinging at the teacher oh he judo hip tossed her and held her down whoa that's crazy that school needs crazy Joe Clark Holy shit.

[227] They need to lean on me, principle.

[228] I think I would have went more crazy.

[229] He handled it way better than if that chick starts slapping me. Well, this is a, this gets into the subject of what we were talking about the other day, with Anthony Kumia getting hit on the street while he's taking photographs.

[230] People don't react well.

[231] That guy reacted very well to getting hit.

[232] He didn't hit back.

[233] Right.

[234] A lot of people would just hit back when they get hit.

[235] And if you're, especially if you're a man and you're hitting a woman, anytime people are hitting people, if a woman hits you, it's fucking dangerous, man. getting punched in the face is like everybody thinks that a woman can punch you in the face and you're going to be fine like there's a lot of women that'll knock you the fuck out man if they especially if they connect on your jaw you can't be hitting people and if you can't you know if you do hit people man you got to be really careful who you're hitting because if they hit you back like if that guy just decided to tee off on that chick I mean you see the way he threw her to the ground that's a guy who knows martial arts for sure and he was avoiding all over hitting him but he wasn't hitting her back but if he did man You're running in flailing your arms and some guy uncorks one on your face.

[236] You fall back.

[237] You're unconscious.

[238] You're going to bounce your head off the ground.

[239] And sometimes people die from that shit.

[240] Yeah.

[241] And that's a real problem.

[242] When people get knocked out, they fall down and they hit their head on the ground and die.

[243] It's like you're pretty much maybe having a really bad car accident with your face.

[244] Yeah, it's just like that.

[245] It's the ground is completely like there's, there's, it resists 100%.

[246] Like there's no give to it.

[247] Like, if you fall in dirt, you're going to be probably okay.

[248] You know, like if you fall in a grassy area, you'll get a concussion.

[249] But you might crack your head wide open if you fall on concrete.

[250] I've seen it, man. Like a bowling ball.

[251] You ever dropped a bowling ball?

[252] That sound?

[253] Imagine that's your head.

[254] Yeah, and the amount of distance that your head travels.

[255] If you're a six foot tall man and someone knocks you out, you're probably going to travel a good five and a half six feet.

[256] I mean, depending on how you're standing, you go unconscious, that's a lot of distance, It's probably more than six feet because it's, you know, you're going to fall back first, too.

[257] I mean, there's probably going to be a lot of momentum connected to your head bouncing off that concrete.

[258] It's awful.

[259] It's awful.

[260] Those fucking videos freak me out, man. Oh, the fight videos?

[261] Some crazy, like, face kicks and stuff.

[262] I can't believe.

[263] I'm almost, like, so shocked at the mentality of someone that can do, like, inflict that kind of harm on somebody.

[264] I always think that there's a lot of them out there that people aren't aware of.

[265] So I'm not shocked when I see it.

[266] I'm always like, I fucking knew it.

[267] I know there's people like that out there.

[268] I know there's people that have experienced just awful shit from the time they were born.

[269] If you grow up in a household where everybody's beating the fuck out of everybody and you go to school and people beat the fuck out of everybody and you see abuse and you see people are going to jail left and right and life has no value and you're seeing people die, that's what you're seeing.

[270] When you watch those world star hip hop tapes where a dude's out cold and guys are running by just punting him in the head.

[271] I've seen a bunch of those.

[272] Yeah, me too.

[273] It's always, like, it's shocking that someone can do it to somebody else.

[274] That's a wake -up call for people, man. Unless you're, if your life was directly threatened and you were in that kind of a rage made, but I mean, once somebody's down, like, I don't know, I've been in a lot, I've been in a, I say for a guy my age, a decent amount of street fights in my life, but I've never, I've never, I've never had, like, a kill urge ever.

[275] You know, you know, I've lost, I've won, but even when I win, like, when it's over, it's kind of over, you know what I mean?

[276] I've never, like, tried to put somebody like down, you know, hospitalized.

[277] I guess it would depend on why you're fighting, right?

[278] Yes, but it's almost my point.

[279] But even if, like, I don't know if it was a guy beating the shit out of your girlfriend, you know what I'm saying?

[280] Sure.

[281] You know what I'm saying?

[282] Like, what if you pulled up somewhere and just got there right when a guy was beating the shit of your girlfriend?

[283] I'm not saying not to knock them out, but I mean, like, to punt somebody's head, like, I don't know.

[284] I just don't know where my killer rage kicks in.

[285] Like, actual murderous rage, I don't know where that level is in me. Yeah, I think it's pretty deep.

[286] I'm a pretty mellow dude.

[287] Yeah, but I think if you were confronted, I mean, you might be.

[288] I don't know you.

[289] But if you were confronted by someone that you were trying to protect, someone that you cared about very much, and you're trying to protect them, that's when people get murderous when they feel like someone is a being, like someone's trying to murder someone you love.

[290] That's when people get murderous.

[291] You know, that's a very common one.

[292] But I'm saying my point is being like a street, I promise whatever the situations were on the World Star hip -hip videos where guys are getting face -punted, I promise they weren't, it wasn't calling for that.

[293] Yeah, you mostly.

[294] likely punting a guy who's already unconscious well i've seen a few of them where it's people just being drunk idiots laughing or laughing or talking shit or starting to fight when they were too drunk and they got knocked out and then once they were out everybody just started taking free shots at them did you ever see that it's literally the worst people in the world quite possibly because and i think you would agree especially someone who's trained in martial arts which you have and have you ever seen that video the guy the the weird homeless black guy who's crazy and he goes into the karate studio oh yeah and they can kill him and they i don't know if he's dead but that was supposedly what happened was he died i mean the noise he's making after that excess and and what's what's ridiculous about it it was such a a cock wagging because the reason that guy went so far is because when he was trying to like do a show off like oh let me stand up and fight this guy and like you know shut him up he wasn't doing very good yeah the karate guy was not like beating his ass in this fight like this weirdo was actually like giving him a hard time to some degree well the other guy knew how to fight a little bit you know the other guy knew how to fight a little bit the guy got killed yeah he definitely had think so really yeah enough that he had been in fights before you know he wasn't totally helpless the guy beat the shit out of him but you were right in the beginning he wasn't getting the best out of it yeah i think the guy had probably i mean he must have had some street fighting yeah he was also crazy he's crazy but the guy thought but the guy thought yeah the guy thought yeah the guy thought he was gonna like kind of like yeah knock him around a bit and make him look stupid but it was taking him long we should snopes that because i don't even know if that's true Uh, you know, man kills man in, homeless man in karate academy.

[295] And I feel racist for assuming he's homeless.

[296] I don't know if he's homeless.

[297] I mean, that's what the story always was.

[298] Yeah, the guy's black and crazy.

[299] He's probably homeless.

[300] In karate academy.

[301] Snopes.

[302] Let's see.

[303] Karate Instructor, unofficial .com.

[304] Murder of mentally challenged man. Yeah.

[305] It seems like it really happened, man. But, I mean, those face stumps, like, what kind of human being does that?

[306] Terrible people.

[307] But, I mean, the kind of guy who gets a buzz cut and grows a mustache and works in a karate school?

[308] Do you know what I mean?

[309] Like, that guy seems like, not that you can't be crazy and be all those things, but doesn't it seem like a guy was a little put together?

[310] Well, the guy who was the main guy was a Marine.

[311] He's a karate instructor.

[312] And he let his student who fought this guy.

[313] and a student allegedly actually killed this guy.

[314] It's like the real -life Cobra Kyes?

[315] They've been a real evil karate teacher.

[316] Yeah, but there's a thing, man, that people do.

[317] There's a video, Brian, if you want to pull it up.

[318] Where should I search?

[319] Well, actually, we probably shouldn't see someone getting killed, right?

[320] It's kind of fucked up.

[321] I mean, it's online.

[322] It's really, it's a tough one to watch, even.

[323] Well, that's a he was up for assault in the 18th of the month on an unregulated charge.

[324] So, I don't know what the fuck actually happened.

[325] You think if it's true, you think with that kind of evidence, should that guy die?

[326] Okay, this is stupid, man. They don't know what the fuck they're talking about.

[327] Hold on a second.

[328] This is one of the things that says sources in the medical and law enforcement community tell us that indeed the victim must have died.

[329] The snoring at the end is so -called agonal breathing and a sign of massive brain damage and impending death.

[330] That's just not true.

[331] isn't true when you get knocked out you snore that's whoever said that has never seen someone get knocked the fuck out when people get knocked out they have that horrible snoring it happens all the time that's really scary shit scary is shit the first time i thought i was 16 saw somebody laid out just it doesn't mean they're going to die that's not true at all so whoever wrote this story i don't believe him this guy should come out and do a show the guy you'd be funny if he just comes he has like a diagonal face his face is just Just got the guy's footprint in it still?

[332] It's all, there's a video of it, and there's all these stories of it, but none of them substantiate any, like, legal stuff.

[333] I guess you'd have to look into it deep enough.

[334] But apparently this shit was a long time ago.

[335] Yeah, it looked like it was a long time.

[336] But, I mean, based on the theory that if he did die, do you think that guy deserves to die, the guy who did it?

[337] The guy who died, deserves to die, or the guy who killed him?

[338] The guy who killed him.

[339] Well.

[340] With that kind of evidence, like, it's clearly from that.

[341] It's clear that they were fighting.

[342] I don't know what the conversation was that led that guy to be fighting that guy.

[343] I don't know if he said, I'm going to come in and fight to the death.

[344] I don't, you know what I'm saying?

[345] Do you know what I'm saying?

[346] I don't.

[347] It didn't seem like that kind of a dark underground like Kumitae situation.

[348] It's like someplace in Des Moines, Iowa.

[349] Right.

[350] I think it was somewhere in Georgia.

[351] But anyway, the guy was a schizophrenic.

[352] So it really doesn't matter what he said.

[353] He's crazy.

[354] I mean, that's what, it happened in Virginia.

[355] September 13th, 1984.

[356] And he's obviously crazy, too.

[357] That's the thing.

[358] He walks in, you're like, this guy's a little...

[359] And you could have...

[360] That guy literally also could have hugged him, and that would have ended the situation.

[361] Do you know what I mean?

[362] There's a thing that happens in martial arts schools, though, where if you're running a martial art school, crazy people will show up, and they'll start, like, they'll start shed.

[363] I've seen it.

[364] I've seen it firsthand.

[365] I've seen it at my Taekwendo school.

[366] He would...

[367] My instructor would take guys like that that would come into schools, and he would make them spar with blackback.

[368] And put them just like, you know, he'd go, okay, so you know how to fight.

[369] You're a pretty good guy, right?

[370] We're going to do some sparring here.

[371] Okay, you have your gear?

[372] We have gear for you.

[373] Do you have your gear?

[374] And they would, like, lure these guys in because they would come to school and they would go, you are a false master.

[375] You are a false master.

[376] You don't truly know martial arts.

[377] And, you know, they try to reason with them.

[378] Listen, sir, you know, you can.

[379] Was it the Wu -Tang Clan?

[380] You can watch a class, but you can't yell things out.

[381] Like, people, there's nutty people that will come in that have, like, real mental issues and they could be dangerous you know they also could be martial arts trained too there's a lot of people that just learned how to throw kicks and punches from friends like like if you teach an athletic person how to deliver a good straight punch and just show them the mechanics of it and they practice on a heavy bag they'll can fuck you up if they hit you you don't they don't really have to be like really well trained and disciplined and so there's a lot of people that have martial arts abilities like the ability to punch you really hard in the face but they don't really know how to fight they don't they've never been formally trained but they might charge you and punch you in the face and they could be really dangerous so if you're in this sort of a scenario like that a lot of times these martial arts instructors are forced to defend themselves against these crazy people sure it didn't seem like that didn't seem like that in this video in this video it seemed like they lured the guy in set them up oh yeah beat the shit out of them to death the saddest part is at one point during like when they're just kind of like it almost seems like slapboxing mm -hmm the homeless guy stops me he goes you're good He gives him, like, a compliment.

[382] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you're good.

[383] Yeah, it's kind of a fucked up video, man. And he starts saying, and he starts saying, don't stop.

[384] At one point, he does tell him to stop, and then it just gets so.

[385] The guy won't stopping on him while he's down.

[386] It's gross.

[387] Mm -hmm.

[388] I don't know if the guy died, but if the guy did die, yeah, that's basically murder.

[389] I mean, it's like a perfect example.

[390] What we said is, where would that murderous rage come out?

[391] Would it come out if someone was trying to kill your mom?

[392] You probably would.

[393] Sure.

[394] Probably would come out.

[395] but this guy wasn't in that scenario this guy was like the guy was saying don't like he was saying stop he had given up like a healthy person backs away at that point yeah it's like it's like it's merciless right it's just complete like i think i was so offended somehow but i wonder if they just got away with shit like that and this is the only one that people saw like i wonder if this had happened more than once because like if a guy's willing to beat a guy to death like that and then dispose of a body and this is the only piece of evidence that some schizophrenia guy was murdered like that motherfucker's probably killed a bunch of people before and he's a Marine that's the other thing yeah we don't know what kind of action he saw you know if you if you have you know you're serving your country and you're used to killing people on a regular basis then you come back home and some fucking crazy schizo guy wants to come into your karate school and talk shit yeah you'll let a guy kill him like why not you've been killing people for years in the 80s that was like how they like yelp reviewed like karate schools like how many homeless guys have you killed three homeless guys have you killed guys and counting.

[396] I was a part of many challenge matches where people showed up at the school and I got to watch them fight friends.

[397] I fought dudes that just showed up at the school.

[398] That was a super common thing.

[399] But you can more or less with that, you deliver a couple, really?

[400] Oh yeah.

[401] We took a lot of those guys to the hospital after we beat them up.

[402] We'd bring them to the hospital after they sparred.

[403] But easily could have happened to me. I mean, I was good, but there's a lot of good guys that came in too.

[404] There were.

[405] Yeah, guys had, they had, they talent there's a lot of guys who say they weren't the fight what you put on gloves depends depends on like what they said a lot of it was bare knuckle really yeah yeah because you didn't know like what they wanted to prove you know what is what i've never and i've never been good at even back in school when it was the meet me at the library i'd throw a punch then see when the guy would say it because i was like i say if i got to think about till three i probably won't show like i'll probably chicken out like later like i'm angry now let's just do it let's get into it.

[406] That's probably the best way to get everything broken up and keep it from being like something that no teachers or adults know about.

[407] The problem is if you go in a field, meet me in the field, then it's like children of the corn.

[408] Someone can get killed, yeah.

[409] Because Lord of the Flies.

[410] I had to do that a few times.

[411] And it was with bullies and it always sucked but always turned out me beating them up.

[412] So it was great.

[413] What kind of bullies did you beat up?

[414] One was All girls.

[415] One is now a cop and the other guy I think is dead.

[416] Wow.

[417] Yeah, most of them.

[418] Most of the guys who talk to them, oh, shit, though, just never had to really be confronted with somebody, like, stepping up to it.

[419] Yeah.

[420] When you're a kid, everyone's kind of, I mean, I bought into it, too.

[421] That's why I said, but whatever was instilled me by my dad and steppop was very much like, get it going while you're angry.

[422] You know, I mean, like, don't wait for it.

[423] And that's why I was going to ask when they'd come in and they'd say, like, you know, Rogan, go teach this punk a lesson.

[424] Like, what was going to?

[425] We didn't even have a conversation about it.

[426] Yeah, you'd get nervous as fuck.

[427] But the idea behind it was my instructor was training a bunch of people.

[428] for national tournaments.

[429] So the idea was like, these guys can't hang with you.

[430] You're a national level competitor.

[431] And this is a good thing to experience because it's very dangerous.

[432] So you're going to be able to, you're going to have to perform under some very real pressure.

[433] Like people just swinging at your face.

[434] And you know, you're dancing around inside this closed area looking to knock each other out.

[435] And it happened a lot.

[436] It happened, I mean, not a lot, but it happened every three, four months over the course of like seven years that I was there every three or four months some guy from another school would come into town and would want to show people up would like you want to show everybody how much better his style was and people would duke it out it was it was crazy when you stop and think about it this is all pre -UFC and there was a lot of delusional people too there was a lot of people that thought that their martial art literally could not be beaten they did a certain type of wing chung and if they could go to a taekwondo school and spa they would just run through people there would be no way they could stop them did you get half off your monthly dues if you won the fight.

[437] I didn't I didn't pay after a certain amount of time.

[438] I taught so if you kill three homeless people you don't want to pay when I was a kid I started out when I was really young I was like when I was 15 I was completely dedicated and I was there every day so they would give me things to do they would give me like I would clean things or would teach classes I taught a lot of private lessons like the people that are first starting out you have to learn in you know like in private lesson form and since I advanced really quickly and I'd spend so much time there, I was pretty good at breaking down the technical aspects of certain moves.

[439] You know, it's funny, and pardon the hand job here, but I think you're a fantastic comedian.

[440] Super funny.

[441] And you have such the origin story of a guy who would not be.

[442] But yet I know a few people like that, too, of people that are very, like, strict in life about certain things.

[443] Mike Vecchio, hilarious comedian.

[444] Sting is a very, like, regimented guy.

[445] I grew up football.

[446] He was good at it.

[447] He excelled wrestling, went to Penn wrestling there, you know, and then hilarious comedian, but usually that doesn't breed the funny guy.

[448] Yeah, I think people have...

[449] Usually, like, the introvert or the, you know, the weird kind of like social awkward guy or the class clown type goes on to that, but it's not usually someone who's like a strict, like, you know, usually that story becomes like, you know, I have four kids, they all wear dockers and fucking sweaters.

[450] No one says fucking.

[451] But I'm not like a, I'm not strict.

[452] I just get into things.

[453] I'm just very motivated.

[454] Like, I'm a more like I wouldn't say I'm disciplined as much as I get more obsessed you know I'm disciplined at things that I'm obsessed about but I'm not like a strict person and in the other way like I'm not strict socially I'm just usually the comics who like a guy who's in shape and doing comedy and like cares about that and cares about his health like just tends to not always be it's usually a guy it's like you know some fucking some pig the other day you know this fat broad because you know at 165 pounds you slob you know just being like that and you're like who's relating to this right right and and you definitely transcend that but I mean like that's what I'm saying it's weird that uh I don't think that always happens I think it's more of an odd thing I think could happen like you know so I was getting it's when all of your um like flaws kind of become your virtues in comedy you know so the nerd who got beat up now he's telling his stories about getting beaten up and now girls will fuck him because he knows how to tell it funny do you know I mean that's usually the origin story yeah but it doesn't have to be so that's the cool thing about comedy is there's so many versions you know like black guys have always had that thing where they're allowed to dress up really cool on stage wear gold chains and crazy leather outfits like remember eddie murphy and delirious and it's but it's the entire difference of black comedy and white comedy if you're going to take by those circuits i said there's definitely comics that bridge both worlds but uh the difference in is like white mainstream comedy is very like self -deprecating you know yeah my little dick fat guy bald whatever it is and black is very like so I'm slanging the dick right and it's just like I mean the fucking a stool at a black comedy club is probably owed a lot of money in civil court to just like just been fucked I mean yeah just like off to the side stages there's a bunch of like broken up stools like from uh from gang rapings I mean they're so like but when I would watch I grew up like a big fan of comedy and watching like everyone in the 80s that I would watch to getting to where Def Jam became the thing I loved all that too And I just didn't even know I almost didn't even notice the difference That comedy had taken a turn To like you know How good you are at fucking And how big your dick is Well it's Comedy can be Anything man It's just got to be funny That's what people don't understand Like if anybody wants to say that Like I've heard people say this This is like a social justice warrior thing that they say That real comedy always punches up Meaning like get it Get at the bad person that's above you Dominating you The boss the president Real comedy punches up And you know You don't pick on any people that are below you But the reality is Sometimes punching down is fucking hilarious Sure It's not always But it's about what is the subject matter Like what it like you could Like I remember Louis CK Doing a bit about how his kid is a fucking asshole Sure And it was really fucking funny Because first of all you knew he wasn't serious Right It was I mean he was Talking about his kid Like in a frustrated way About a kid just being a kid I'm sure he loves his kid like he loves life itself But because he's he's punching down He's making fun he's like shitting on his kid Yeah for being an asshole Sure sure and it's hilarious It's like you there's no rules There's no rules like a guy has to be self -deprecating The guy's saying so I'm slinging that dick right I'm giving that good dick you know when you're giving that good dick And you feel that asshole reverberating off your ball sack Every time you come down home Blu la loop You could be crying laughing Listen to that laughing or you could be crying laughing listening to a guy who talks about it we can never get laid the there's the variable in those things is just is it funny or is it not funny that's the important variable we me and my buddy watched a nick cannon special you want to have fun man get stone to just watch a nick cannon special it's just if you like i love watching just ridiculously horrible comedy it's my favorite thing in the world i can't do it and just watching nick cannon buy an hour of television so he can slowly but surely peel down from a tuxedo to a tank top is one of the first of he has a backdrop that's just a million light bulbs so when he moves it's going to give you a fucking seizure and his jokes are all like you know you meet a girl up in a club and you're all like spladoosh just noises and and then apparently Mara Gary was texting that night like live tweeting or whatever and she goes I told you my baby was funny Oh my God Did she say that?

[455] I love that If you want to watch a show That'll just bring joy to your life Have you ever heard of Bill Bellamy's Who Got Jokes?

[456] No No Wow I'm scared Just take a weekend And really dig into it Because it's a I don't think I have it in me It's a comedy Yeah you don't like watching bad comedy No This is It's on TV 1 Which is a black TV network I didn't know they existed Yeah It's called TV 1 And Bill Bellamy hosts it is it a new show no it's done now I think too Tommy from Martin but it airs on marathons on this network Tommy from Martin is the called the Pope of comedy he sits in a throne and judges as three comics come out and they do the first round is just their set in front of an audience and there's three people from the audience picked at random to be the judges where they give a score from one to five five being the best one being the worst everyone gets a five and if you give someone a four the audience loses their shit they get very mad at you that's round one the comedy has always got awful and then it's unprepared usually it looks like these guys know they were going to do a TV show that day and and then round two they come out and they do some kind of like challenge that you don't know what so they have a heckler in the audience or somebody comes out like they're actually a producer and hitching the face with a pie and you got to keep going and then they judge you score from one to five And it's just horrible, horrible comedy.

[457] But it makes me laugh.

[458] Why does that make you laugh?

[459] Just like, because it works.

[460] I'm amazed by, I'm very interested.

[461] And there's actually a science to comedy.

[462] Don't you find that interesting?

[463] There's an actual science.

[464] You can just say the right words.

[465] Have you ever seen a comedy hypnotist?

[466] No. Never seen one of those guys?

[467] Dude, you got to see a comedy hypnotist if you get a chance, a real one.

[468] I just assume it's like it's fake.

[469] No, no, not fake at all.

[470] There's something that really stupid people are susceptible to, that you're not susceptible to.

[471] There's someone can like say some things to you on stage, snap their finger, and some people literally go into a trance.

[472] Sure.

[473] They can do it.

[474] Those people will laugh at anything too.

[475] They're dumb as fuck.

[476] I think what the reality of this world is that there's people that are, their brains don't work so good.

[477] They just don't.

[478] And there's not a goddamn thing you can do about it.

[479] It's not about education.

[480] It's not about how much information you give them.

[481] It's not about the environment they're in.

[482] They have nine -volt brains.

[483] No, I know.

[484] And what's funny is, again, the audience has never communally stood up to someone who was like, that's hacky.

[485] Like, the audience never says that.

[486] It's always being judged by other comments.

[487] I say this is in general, like, when there's a hacky comic on stage, usually he's destroying.

[488] It depends on where you're at, right?

[489] I mean, if you're in L .A. or New York, those guys could be beat and shit.

[490] Possibly.

[491] But forums like this were comics and people get to talk And there's so much inside information out now I think it kind of weeds through that happening And now I think the audiences are a little smarter In some circles But they have to be fans Like if you Do you remember like going to see comedy When you first started to like go to open mic nights You see guys that you thought were really funny And then like a year later You fucking couldn't even be in the room When they're on stage Oh I mean the people I worshipped when I started I was like just the way he kills You know like I gotta do a job where I open up and say, DJ put that shit on one more time.

[492] And I got to, because everyone had to have one of those.

[493] I used to get down the underwear on stage.

[494] Used to get down to my underwear posing to the 2001 theme.

[495] Oh, God.

[496] And then one day, no one left.

[497] I didn't do it ever again.

[498] I went to see this guy when I was in Boston.

[499] Before I did stand up, I went to see this comedy at Play It Again Sam's.

[500] It was like this movie house that had stand up in the basement.

[501] And this guy did these like fake adlips.

[502] and I knew they were fake while it was happening I didn't understand comedy but he pointed to me and he goes and this guy's over here saying this but I didn't say anything I don't remember what it was but I remember like he's like what I couldn't believe that he was pretending that there was some sort of a weird interaction between us for the rest of the audience and so I realized that this guy was just bullshitting and his acts kind of this fake dance and then as I got to know him I kept seeing him over and over and over again he was doing the same thing every time he would set this bit up he would point to a guy in the audience and he's like this and he would say the same thing like he never hid his fake ad -libs with the crowd there was no variation so if you saw him more than once the act was done like the the veil had been lifted it doesn't bring any joy to watch like that level of shitty comedy like happen no it makes me sad like that makes me laugh so I used to any show I just can't believe something when you watch somebody they're on television and their first joke is now I know what you guys are thinking actually I had a guy open for me one time on the road where he had a joke I forget what was it about but whatever it was the crowd never laughed in the middle of it and he goes so my family used to run a funeral home he goes now you guys laugh but he goes into his joke but no one laughed at that but every time he goes now you guys laugh but I never that's always funny the now I know what you're thinking you see me and I'm like it happens a lot like people like it I feel you should never and a lot of us do but you should never get on television with your first ever set you know when you go on the road and me you know as a when I when I go on the road and someone opens for me I'm generally getting somebody doing their first set you remember that like when every time you get on stage it was the introduction like so my name's Jay and I blah blah blah you know it's like first day girl comedy so I'm so and I'm a total slut and I sex with my friends and But it's just like But that first set makes it on TV a lot now Because there's so many forums Yeah, but that's just life You just kind of move on Just deal with it It's probably not good to have your first set But if you've been doing stand -up for 10 years Or whatever it is when you get your first set on TV Six years Just fucking accept it sucks Yeah Accept that it sucks and move on You know and you won't know it sucks Until you see it You gotta watch it on TV Like later in your career When you're better And you go But I'm almost saying I'm surprised that the behind the scenes don't catch up to like Like they seem like there's no like They don't take any cues from the actual community of comedy itself Do you know what I mean?

[503] They're like this guy's been doing comedy for five months Like of course he should be on Letterman You know what I mean?

[504] Oh the behind the scenes people No they're always looking for someone to come along It's a prodigy that figures it out after four months It's so weird But I don't know if they do that person any favors Well they definitely don't they don't give a fuck though All they care about is what can they sell Just like the reality show as I if you've noticed If you've watched the video I've moved into a new chair, ladies and gentlemen.

[505] I don't know if this one's going to make it.

[506] I don't know.

[507] I think the other thing is better.

[508] The no back thing's better.

[509] But it's, you know, they just, just not sell you, you know.

[510] Sure.

[511] If they can sell the hook is, you only been standing for five months, they're not going to protect you.

[512] They're not going to go, oh, that big Jay, he's got potential for the future.

[513] Let's not put his five -month -old comedy set.

[514] No, fuck you.

[515] Get on TV.

[516] Who gives a shit.

[517] Sink or swim.

[518] There's many more people they have to pay attention to.

[519] They don't give a fuck about it.

[520] Look, I'm sure the fucking, what's it, the Hunger Games people are pretty thrilled that J -Lash is out there.

[521] That's huge for them.

[522] Just drew a whole new audience to that show.

[523] Yeah, I don't know how those two are connected, but we're talking about someone being hacked now.

[524] That's not what I was talking about.

[525] I thought you're saying about selling things.

[526] Like the companies that don't care, like the movie companies don't care, that how she gets, like, exposed, you know what I mean?

[527] It does them a good job.

[528] They don't protect her.

[529] I'm saying they don't come out.

[530] Well, they would have protected her.

[531] sure they probably wouldn't have let it be released but it but it's to their benefit now that it is i kind of guess so yeah it's a yeah but it's a different thing than was just a pot head in my mind i was like did it have nothing to do with it i'm like no there was a connection in my mind there was something there i guess i guess i've never i've only seen the first one now i want to watch more after seeing her naked right which is good for the company so the movie company even though it's like they pay her and she's like you know she has a relationship with them they don't give a fuck if something to her detriment builds up their movie.

[532] Yeah, I could see that, probably.

[533] Yeah, probably after it's over.

[534] They're like, they probably would have protected her from it getting out, but once it's out, like, hey, look, in the long run, we're going to do, brook.

[535] She looks great.

[536] Yeah.

[537] I sat around the office and, yeah, it's true.

[538] She looks great.

[539] I mean, but the only way you're ever going to get protected as a comic is if you have a manager.

[540] And the manager will say, listen, Jay, you know, let's keep hitting the clubs and, you know, wait a year.

[541] You know, wait, wait a couple of years.

[542] It's just work.

[543] Where's that manager at?

[544] my Jeff Sussman yeah my guy yeah I that's it's hard you got to develop comedians like you got to treat them as like a long -term project you can't like move people into a house before you even put a roof on it and you can't pretend it's done when it's not done and when you see a like a young guy that's got potential I mean everybody that we've ever met they go through periods like you were talking about your black comedy period sure you know like people go through these weird phases where they're trying to find themselves as I hate to use a word but artist yeah I find myself as an artist man and uh you know but the thing is if you there's a video of you five months in and then it's terrible but there's a way better video two years later well if someone watches both they go oh jay got better you know it's just there's nothing wrong yeah oh i did beat he's comic view thrice three times yeah so i mean like who was hosting uh the first one ever was lester barry who was a black circuit comic it's very religious nice The second time I did it was Arnaz -J in Miami, and the third time.

[545] Third time was funny because I said by this point, I go, I'm not doing comic view ever again.

[546] Like, I just, I've written that one off.

[547] I'm not doing it.

[548] It's always an awkward situation when I go there, too.

[549] Why?

[550] Because I'm the only white guy.

[551] The production is white, and they put some weird responsibility on me to be like the den mother of the comics.

[552] No. So I'd like smoke cigarettes, and I'd go outside and I'm going to smoke a cigarette.

[553] She goes, okay, wait a second.

[554] She goes, everyone, Jay's going to smoke.

[555] If you want to smoke, go out now with him and everyone's got to be back in here in 15 minutes and then she tried to give me all of their food tickets so I'd be responsible for them it was very bizarre just because you're white yeah I assume so that said a lot of the black comics will do things like I'm gonna go out and smoke and go like you know fuck a chick for five hours try to come back 15 minutes before the show starts like that did happen well what they want you do just hang out all day waiting for the show to start all they put you there at nine in the morning until night I went on at midnight what yeah because they just don't want, they just wrangle everybody because they don't believe anyone's going to stay.

[556] They have no, no belief they're going to stay there.

[557] They've done entire shows about how hacky they are.

[558] Like they'll do a show where the same joke gets repeated by different comedians.

[559] Well, yeah, and so I went and did it.

[560] Kevin Hart ended up posting, I think, one of the last ever seasons.

[561] But it was called One Mike Stand and or something like, I think it's what it's called One Mike Stand.

[562] But it wasn't called Comic View.

[563] and Kev called me and asked me if I wanted to do it or if I would do it.

[564] And I said, yeah, but I go, I don't want to do Comic View anymore.

[565] He goes, it's not Comic View.

[566] It's different.

[567] They're flying people out now.

[568] They're doing it all right and set it up good.

[569] And it was, when I signed the contract, it's Comic View presents one mic stand.

[570] They gave us a big speech before we taped anything.

[571] And the guy was like, we're changing Comic View.

[572] It's going to be different.

[573] And the guy specifically said, no more stool humping and DJ hit it and pulling out fake teeth.

[574] and I mean we weren't three comics in before a guy was wearing fake teeth and fucking a stool I mean not even and by the way when he's giving this speech to it these same guys who are getting ready to fuck stools and put in fake teeth are doing like you know like staring at him give the speech and like nodding their heads like Pacino speech in any given Sunday like it's like an emotional powerful speech how we're changing comic view now and then they went and put their fake teeth and they're like yeah let's go out there and show the world something and then two minutes later you're like DJ put that shit back on You can fuck a bitch with fake teeth to this one Those black circuits made for some Great great great stories I had a guy one time This is a true story Kev used to host a club in Atlantic City Kevin Hart Called Sweet cheeks Violent It was like a pimps and players ball No bullshit It was like everyone was wearing like Zoot suits and shit And bringing like three chicks a piece And they were all dressed up fancy But they'd interrupt dancing to do a comedy show in the middle of the fucking night.

[575] It was like two, three o 'clock in the morning.

[576] What?

[577] Yeah.

[578] And I was hosting it one time for Kev.

[579] He couldn't do it.

[580] And they hated me. They absolutely didn't like me at all.

[581] And I was going to bring a comic on stage and I go, like, all right, but I'm going to bring you up next to go, what's your name?

[582] And he goes, Ignit nigger.

[583] And I was like, dude, don't make me say that, please.

[584] And he's like, that's my name, man, that's my stage name.

[585] And I kept, I begged him to let me calling by his regular name.

[586] And I go, it's not going to go good.

[587] If I say, he goes, it's fine, man. I'll explain.

[588] It's my name, you know.

[589] He set you up.

[590] Yeah.

[591] When he went on stage, he goes, you're going to let that white boy call me and just, I left.

[592] I just left the show.

[593] I drove home.

[594] Yeah, that was like, it was a dangerous place, man. The bouncer outside was a bounty hunter also.

[595] So he would run IDs for everybody that walked in.

[596] Like, he'd get five people a night on warrants.

[597] Wow.

[598] Isn't that crazy?

[599] He was a bounty hunter and an ID checker.

[600] Yeah.

[601] That's like fishing in a fucking swimming.

[602] really yeah that's so not fair that seems like you know you're shooting deer in a stock pond yeah you know what i mean it just seems really fucked up especially the nightclub yeah and it was just like and a pimps and players nightclub yeah they threw they threw chicken wings at me one time wow it was uh and i think yeah i think i was doing that joke where i was getting down to my underwear who the fuck wants them to do comedy at two o 'clock in the morning in a place where they have dancing they do i used to do these ski trip shows that were like black ski trips and black people don't even ski at all they'd go and they'd take a bus thing they'd go to this hotel and they'd all just like fuck each other everyone would just fucking drink you know green alcohol and uh and then they would what's green alcohol just like whatever you know tango rays and something the drinks were always great like thug passion I like that thug passion mixed drinks yeah I'd go up there and open sometimes I would headline for these like black ski trips and they just fucking hated it They wanted no parts of the comedy show.

[603] I never understand why they force comedy into places where it doesn't need to be at all.

[604] Well, people make money, you know.

[605] I'm sure Kevin Hart got a nice piece of pie.

[606] Maybe.

[607] I mean, well, he was very young.

[608] We were like brand -new in comedy.

[609] Yeah, but I mean, if somebody offers it, you're like, yeah, we can do a show there.

[610] Fuck it.

[611] Yeah.

[612] I mean, the bar shows.

[613] In New York, that's become such a thing.

[614] Bar shows.

[615] Bar shows?

[616] Yeah.

[617] And I go to him with this, you know, this expectation.

[618] What blows my mind about it, I think bar shows are a cool thing.

[619] thing to have as far as like open mics basically little produce shows you can get people on but like I'll hear my friends you know or younger comics who I know and I'll be like where are you at tonight and they go so and so I go oh well do this other thing with me like don't go to that bullshit bar show it's like I've been booked for this for three months like whoa yeah they call you it's like you want to do my bar show it's about 25 people you know he's getting like a drink ticket or half price off drinks and it's on Tuesday at you know 9 p .m. somewhere in Nowhereville fucking Brooklyn and then it's like oh yeah I guess I can do it it's like you know okay so I'm looking at like I have my book open here like December it's like May like they really book this thing's far out is that just because there's so many comics in New York it is I think it's a lot of it becomes like people just getting their friends on and shit probably if I the guess right because a lot of these shows have become like legit to some degree well if it's a good show it's well run it's very valuable to comedians sure you know you go to Wednesday night comedy juice the improv it's always gonna be packed it's a great place to work out material like that becomes valuable though yeah but you know i'm saying like so shows like that become valuable and then little side gigs like what was that place you were talking about three of clubs and what is three clubs yeah but i mean like all these we there's tons of bar shows but the like with the old red rocks has one now that's that's like in the corner but the problem is is new york is like a billion times more bar shows than l .a so like all the local comics in l .a they'll get that one shitty bar show but it's like yeah it's like a month away when they get booked like how many rooms are there all told in New York, if you had a guess?

[620] You live in Manhattan?

[621] Yeah.

[622] How many brooms do you think?

[623] How many stand -up rooms are in the actual clubs?

[624] Yeah.

[625] We could run through them.

[626] Really, a stamp New York comic strip.

[627] The seller.

[628] Seller.

[629] Seller.

[630] Gotham.

[631] Gotham.

[632] The stand.

[633] Carolines.

[634] Carolines.

[635] Then there's a Greenwich Village Comedy Club, New York Comedy Club, Broadway Comedy Club.

[636] New York Comedy Club's still around.

[637] Dangerfields?

[638] Bought by New Guy.

[639] Danger Fields.

[640] So we're at 10.

[641] there is a l -o -l comedy club and time square l -o -l yeah how dare they and then there's like places there's like and then like some rooms joe boy there every week time square l -o -l -l chicks love them l -o -l she's a good dude i'm not fucking with them uh 11 we're at 11 and then there's 12 and then there's like oh eastville comedy club 13 i think yeah i mean it's really it's pretty nuts like there's yeah so that's the major clubs it's real clubs did we say Gotham did say Gotham so that's that's the major clubs yeah and then on top of that you got how many bar shows you think in the city or around even the boroughs just in the city just in the city just in Manhattan I mean there's got to be fucking 10 a night if I to get it at least wow that's crazy it's also like the people that live in New York and go to New York they're more into like plays and live performances that i think like the west coast is well if you're a young person or any person who's got free time at night and you're looking for some entertainment it's one of the best places in the world to go you can go to the cellar you can go to carolines me you can see live comedy in new york every night of the week you can see killers you can see you know atel and ck and all these different people show up at clubs i mean it's one of the best places in the world to go out and see live comedy oh new york yeah fantastic they're like just to go out I mean, that's what people, if they've never been in New York before, they're like, there's so many restaurants, there's somebody this, somebody that.

[642] It's a fucking mad scene.

[643] I drove by the Laugh Factory last night out here, and it was like the line was like wrapped around in the building.

[644] That's because Jamie doesn't let people in.

[645] He wants that line to be wrapped around the building.

[646] He doesn't just like let people in.

[647] He makes you stay outside to keep that line out.

[648] And then we're signing up for tomorrow.

[649] A lot of them is like the open mic nights.

[650] Like they have to, the open mic nights, they make people sit out there from 9 o 'clock in the morning sign -up time is and they have to wait in line until they get picked and then they go on next week they don't even go on that week they wait in line all day and they go on the next week why exactly we've been rallying against us next time is it just like a control thing exactly it's a ridiculous idea that he has that in doing so he makes the club look more special because there's always a big line it's tough to get in why put your thumb on people that could eventually like you know like say like this is my home this is the club that showed me the love of like why yeah i never got that that same evil shit that makes producers put someone on a reality show and then try to own everything about them for the next you know 10 years or whatever the fuck it is it's the same thing it's that greedy thing that people do out here this weird creepy fucking behavior where the people that are coming up are not respected as potential equals and if they do somehow another make it through it's never through their own merit it's because of the the good nature and your you know your generosity that's led that's led to you them to this position of being a good showbiz person i find it weird with any comedy club that doesn't have comics hanging out at it and like like they want people to hang out like comedians to hang out like that place the laugh factor that's the one thing that i've always heard is like no they don't let you hang out there there's one you can hang out there's a car i mean upstairs i know i think but that's only to like a certain group of like you know the big guys but the the average comic is what they all that always tells me that i did a club on the road one time where there was like young comics hanging out so i was like uh i talked to him for a little while and i was like you know if you guys want to go on like you know you can put you guys on like each one do like seven minutes or something go for it and they told me and i confirmed with the club that they go oh no the club doesn't do guess spots at all i'm like at all i thought it's kind of up to the is it up to the headliner if he like doesn't care like is it fine they go now that's just like our policy don't do it i go and i told when i talked to the manager guy i was like why would you discourage comics from hanging out it's very like you know i mean it doesn't make it's not a friendly environment right well wendy curtis you know that's kind of thing is you work those shitty open mic shows so eventually maybe they'll give you a shot at like hosting a weekend or you know doing something like that guess spots do you know wendy from comedy works in denver i know she is yeah yeah she uh she had a great way of describing it she goes why would you sell widgets and not have like a widget development team like why wouldn't if you you want to sell other people's widgets you can make your own in -house widgets like if what are you doing when you're running a comedy club you're not develop any local talent you don't develop any of it like it's one of the things like they were moving improvs into town and she was saying like what are you guys going to do for like developing local talent and they're like nothing she was like what like that's alien like she's developed a bunch of comedians out of that club and she has like a whole system of taking people from emc's to middle acts to headliners like it's it's this really well thought out really like conscientious system of helping these artists you know sometimes they have their babies though when people come to new york yeah it's always it's a coin flip of someone's like what city you from and you know they with miami like oh what was your home club like oh the owner there was a piece of shit treating like an asshole would you say about babies some of them are babies no what'd you say did i say babies yeah but i don't know because you were saying that people complain about the well it's that when someone comes to the to like moves to new york from their home club you know where they started it's a coin flip whether they're going to say it was like a great experience you know they're very supportive of them they get behind some people the local clubs and then some they just like yeah there's such shitty people to me but never understand being shitty to like local talent this crazy people own clubs you know crazy people own dance clubs crazy people who tends to be a certain personality type yeah you got to be a hardcore motherfucker to own a bar you know and to own a comedy club and just want to deal with comedians all the time you got to be either someone who loves comedy or an insane person do you get frustrated when uh when people that are around comedy enough even if it doesn't make sense in their life they're like i'm gonna try and they start doing open mics or you like go for it what do you mean do you get like i know there's club owners in new york even that just fucking start doing comedy after owning the club for like three years like i'm doing it i'm gonna give a shot but who knows maybe they'll be good they hire bookers and the bookers start trying to do con it's like very weird well Well, Eleanor Carrigan, she was a waitress at the comedy store forever.

[651] I knew her as a waitress for more than 10 years.

[652] Now she's a real professional comic.

[653] She started like many, many years in.

[654] Did she have no, around comedy?

[655] No thought about doing it ever?

[656] Nope.

[657] Just got a job one day.

[658] She was an actress.

[659] She did a lot of acting.

[660] She was in wrestling.

[661] She did some pro wrestling.

[662] And then somewhere along the line, she just decided, fuck it.

[663] I'm going to go on stage.

[664] And she started doing stand -up.

[665] yeah I mean now she's a pro she's funny I mean it's crazy I mean she's smart so she understands like what's funny and what's not funny she knows what's hack and what's not so she didn't fall in any pitfalls maybe I feel the ego strike because I feel like when it's done like Kurt Metzker you know Kurt yeah sure Kurt's never had a girlfriend that hasn't eventually been like well if this shithead can do it I can do it and they'd never vocalize that but in my mind like if my chick was like I want to do comedy I'm like what do you think it's like it looks like super simple you think it's like You can just go, it's like, you know what, I'm going to do your stupid thing.

[666] It looks a lot more fun than my stupid thing.

[667] Well, it's also when they're around comics, they see how fun it is, and they see, like, how comic think, and then they start thinking like comics and saying ridiculous shit.

[668] Sure.

[669] You know, if you're around a chick, like, long enough, like, she'll start, like, seeing how you pick things apart and make jokes.

[670] Like, if you're around someone who's really funny at work, you know, and this, like, I used to have this boss who was a private investigator.

[671] Dude was hilarious.

[672] He was just instantly hilarious.

[673] just would find things that were goofy about people and you would just howl with this guy and I learned a lot like being around him I started doing that too like you start like seeing how he would find these patterns like he was very predatory like the patterns that we find that were fucked up in people and just attack those patterns and it's like teaching you pick it up in relationships people pick it up in friendships so you know Kurt is a funny dude I get these chicks were probably around him they're like you know what I can fucking do this yeah I see what's going on here.

[674] I guess it means you can make it look effortless maybe but like sort of but also fun you know I mean if you were not enjoying your life and you know not enjoying your job but you saw a guy like you having the fucking time of his life cracking jokes making shit like god damn I think I could do that he looks it looks way better than a regular job if you're a person that does a regular job and then someone like Big J comes along you're hanging out with him and you're watching how he does it like this fucking guy's barely working here sure he's just laughing about shit writing it down and then figuring out a way to say it on stage in a funny way.

[675] Fuck, selling insurance.

[676] How many people did you grow up with before comedy that genuinely are happy for you?

[677] Like, really feel it.

[678] What do you mean?

[679] Like, do you have, like, friends from before comedy still?

[680] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[681] And they're, like, genuinely happy for your success and, like, dig what you do.

[682] I have one friend from, like, growing up that I'm still friends.

[683] And it's because he's the only one of my friends that is doing what he wanted to do also.

[684] You have to have that self -security before you can, like, really cheat.

[685] I go back to Philly constantly, barely.

[686] I mean, I hung out with a lot of people growing up.

[687] No one comes out.

[688] No one gives a shit.

[689] Really?

[690] Yeah.

[691] None of them give a shit at all.

[692] None of them come to your shows, you mean?

[693] Once in a while, one of them will pop up, but a lot of times they'll say they're coming and they don't show up.

[694] I mean, I stopped giving a shit years ago.

[695] I realized it all at one time because a bunch of them did come out once, and afterwards they were like, good job, man. So we're all going over.

[696] It's like dollar beer night at the so -and -so.

[697] You want to hang?

[698] I'm like, well, hang here for a few months, catch up and whatever they go.

[699] The place kind of closes and like an hour, and you're like, all right, bye, fuck faces, I guess.

[700] So what did you want them to, like, spend more time?

[701] I didn't even the doad over me, but I haven't seen these people in a while, and I was genuinely curious about what's going on with them.

[702] But you didn't want to go to their spot.

[703] But I just also, they were very dismissive of the whole thing.

[704] I know.

[705] Like, thanks, dude.

[706] Pretty good job.

[707] It just seemed, it seemed very like, if they would have been like, wow, dude, this is a pretty extraordinary thing you're doing.

[708] at any point i'm not saying they had to say those words but if they showed that at all it makes them have to face the fact that like you know he said he was going to be a pilot but he's working at a fucking gas station do you attribute it to jealousy or do you just disinterest or what do you attribute it to this to it might be a little bit of both who knows but i know when i first started doing it again like you said the way you did taekwondo it's a heavy commitment especially because i started going after the first year of just doing it in philly Keith Robinson grabbed me, Kurt Metzger, and Kevin Hart and started taking us up to New York.

[709] And when I did that, I started not being able to do all the bullshit with my friends that we were doing.

[710] I wasn't part of like Dollar Beer Night anymore.

[711] You know what I mean?

[712] Or any of that shit.

[713] So they feel like you kind of left them.

[714] And but when I would come back and be like, hey, guys, like I'm doing this cool thing.

[715] Like come check this out.

[716] They were just very like, eh, I don't care.

[717] You know, and it's like, oh, no, I'm going to go do this neat show in Atlantic City.

[718] Well, isn't that the case always when life when you're growing up?

[719] There's certain people that you grow up with, they went to school with you and they were your friends and some folks evolve and develop and change and grow and some people stagnate and actually develop problems from themselves to distract themselves like i grew up with some kids that were really good friends and then uh they became like one of them became a pillhead like he's gone like i don't talk to me more if he called me i wouldn't call him back you know he's too fucked up he's too fucked up i know his family i know all the disasters he's been through just i'm not interesting communicating so there's going to people like that in your life have you had circumstantial friendships and comedy do you know i mean like like that just like four year like you hung with someone for a little while and then like i guess it really like derosa did he lived with me for a while when he first moved to new york when he moved out and we were tight we were together every day you know like we drove in together to the city and from queens and hung out all the time and i'd still describe me and joe like friends like he's my buddy for sure but i mean i'm probably the 30th person he would call if he had good news in his life do you know i mean right i'd probably hear third hand first And we have no beef at all.

[720] And when I see him, we love to catch up and bullshit and have a good time.

[721] But, you know what I'm saying?

[722] So what's the issue?

[723] Just, you need more from him?

[724] Yeah.

[725] I'm just saying I need more from him.

[726] I need him to call me, too.

[727] I think he's angry at my racism's also.

[728] Oh, that Anthony Coomia thing the other day was just so ridiculous.

[729] He did our show and on the show, he went on this long thing that was very jilted loverish in a lot of ways about Coomia not calling.

[730] I'm like, why don't just call him?

[731] He goes, I mean, and also recognized that the guy's busy.

[732] No, he defended all these other people, but he didn't defend me. I'm like, oh, come on, man. Because he didn't, like, talk about you online.

[733] Like, you're upset at him.

[734] And then there was this accusations of racism that they also didn't discuss.

[735] You know, it's like it was so all of it could have been handled better.

[736] Did you watch him go on the Anthony show?

[737] Yeah.

[738] Yeah, I listened to it.

[739] I mean, look.

[740] How that end.

[741] It should, he should have never, he should have never, just.

[742] just written him off.

[743] If a guy's your friend and he's involved in some sort of a public crisis like Anthony was, you know, first of all, you have to recognize there's a tremendous amount of stress involved in any sort of physical altercation.

[744] So don't expect people to behave rationally after someone punched him.

[745] That's one.

[746] And then two, don't expect people to behave rationally after like gigantic groups of people start calling you, you know, a racist and saying, you know, what you're doing by writing all this thing is like essentially a hate crime.

[747] You get fired from your job.

[748] People rally for you to get fire from your job.

[749] Other people rally for you to get rehire.

[750] They want other people to boycott the show and cancel Sirius XM because of that.

[751] There was a lot of stress going on.

[752] The idea that he's ignoring Joe DeRose's tweets like, fuck man. Like what he, what version of the thing did you see?

[753] Yeah, Joe made it a little bit about him.

[754] Sure.

[755] Yeah.

[756] And I love Joe.

[757] He's a great guy.

[758] Yeah, absolutely.

[759] That's what makes Joe a really funny comic is that he obsesses on things.

[760] He thinks about things until he finds out.

[761] It's really funny about them.

[762] And then he figures out a way to do it on stage and figures out a way to cut it down to like a really funny joke.

[763] He's a great comic.

[764] Sure.

[765] That same sort of curiosity, sensibility, obsession, all those, the combination of things mixed together in a stew, you know, sometimes they could fuck with your personal life.

[766] You know, I think that's probably what would happen there.

[767] You know, that if it was a more rational circumstance for Anthony, more rational response by Joe, I think they could have had a conversation about it and worked through.

[768] And I think they did kind of on the show.

[769] I don't understand how Joe, in any way, shape, or form had a feeling where it was, like, does affect to him in some way?

[770] I don't know how people think, man. I mean, I had, I got tweets that were, like, you know, cancel Sirius XM stand by aunt.

[771] And I just, you know, I just didn't.

[772] And not that I don't, I did, I did Anthony Coomie's podcast after that and talk to it.

[773] I am, I understand why he did what he did.

[774] I think he shouldn't have done the way he did it.

[775] I think there's a better way to handle it.

[776] I think he does, too, though.

[777] Of course he does.

[778] But I'm saying, but I just think, like, I don't know.

[779] but it was just, I agree that Sirius fired him.

[780] I wish he didn't get fired.

[781] I wouldn't have done it myself, but I'm not blown it.

[782] When they said he's fired, I wasn't like, wait, what?

[783] Like, I completely understand that they fired him.

[784] The shit, though, that'll rain down on them, it wasn't worth it to them, so they fired him.

[785] Yeah, I understand it, too.

[786] Business call.

[787] It is kind of a business call, but it's also a business call to not do it.

[788] Like, you have to decide, like, what helps your business.

[789] Giving that guy an opportunity to express himself on the show would have generated a tremendous amount of ratings.

[790] You know?

[791] Absolutely.

[792] And I think if he'd done it eloquently, which I'm sure he would have, there would have been a tremendous amount of support for keeping him on the show.

[793] I think that his argument and his assertion about the black community has always been there's a violence problem in the black community.

[794] It's not that he's racist against all black people.

[795] What his point has always been is that there's a lot of folks that are not willing to concede that there's a violence issue.

[796] And he thinks there is an issue.

[797] You know, where he and I, I don't know what his take on the social ramifications.

[798] or the reasons for this racial issue or this violence issue in the black community I think it's an economic thing and what I've always pointed to is the gypsies gypsies in England and Ireland who are constantly getting involved in crime and fighting and they're bare -knuckle fights and wild motherfuckers and they're white you know it's those type of people people that live in these economically challenging situations where there's a lot of bad people around them and a lot of crime and violence that's the atmosphere you live in that's the soup you fucking were born into and the shit's hard to deal with for everybody and i think that what what he did is also that it's a function of that form of media like doing things in 140 characters you can't express yourself very good in 140 characters and if you take even if you take something from something you said in this podcast and put it in 140 characters in quotes and put it on a tweet it can make it look like a real piece of shit you know well but what he did it really was like what he he just just tweeted out what he should have just said while he you know punched a piece of plywood or no he should have said it on the radio no no absolutely but but by then he could have gotten a way to say it you said eloquently i'm talking about in that moment of fury you need to call a friend who's going to go i know dude right i know you're so right and then 15 minutes later when you calm down you go of course i don't hate every black person it's like he he vented and i said and he's such a guy who's used to preaching to the choir and he forgot that there's like regular people behind that choir that were going to be like, wait, what?

[799] Waiting to hear, catch something like that.

[800] It's way easier to take your tweet and retweet it than it is to say, hey, you got to listen to Anthony on Sirius XM this morning when he was going off about how there's a violence problem in the black community and all the crazy shit that he screamed and yelled about.

[801] That's one thing.

[802] But to someone to just take those tweets and retweet them or take them and cut and paste them and put him in a blog completely outside of the context of who you are, what your style of communicating with has always been on the show.

[803] The style of communicating on the show has always been him screaming.

[804] He's always done that.

[805] So when he does that in a Twitter form, it's par for the course.

[806] I mean, that's what he does.

[807] It's just, when he does it on the radio, the people that are going to be upset at that, they would have to listen to the whole thing to get to that.

[808] They would have to listen to that chunk.

[809] Someone would have to alert them to it.

[810] They'd have to, like, listen to it all play out.

[811] All they have to do is just hear it, see it, retweet it.

[812] See it, retweet it, See it on a blog and then a bunch of fucking outrage attached to it and all these accusations.

[813] Now, but what do you do at that point?

[814] I mean, in your opinion, do you come out in high defense of yourself?

[815] Or do you just go, sit back and go, look, my, his resume kind of speaks for itself.

[816] Like, you can just look at his body of work and know it's like he's clearly not a outwardly racist.

[817] I mean, like, well, a lot of people want to close people to his world are like black.

[818] A lot of people disagree with you there.

[819] A lot of people disagree with you.

[820] That's a fact.

[821] A lot of people will take.

[822] take a lot of the things that he said on, you know, the radio show, cut him out of context, and put it up and say that these are more pieces of evidence that he's racist.

[823] I don't think he's racist.

[824] I think he's frustrated.

[825] I think that he, like a lot of people that have been involved in these type of scenarios, you only see the person's attacking you and you only see the group that they're attached to.

[826] And if I lived in New York and I had a deal with a lot of bullshit on a regular basis, I don't know how much bullshit he deals with, but whether it was bullshit coming from Irish people, or it's bullshit coming from, you know, it's Asian people that are fuck with me all the time.

[827] I mean, if you're living in a group where there's a certain number of people from ex -community that are causing a lot of crimes, you're always going to have some frustration, and you're always going to be upset about that.

[828] I don't know where his head's at.

[829] I've never had, like, long, like, uncensored conversations with him about this.

[830] I've talked to him on the radio, and I love talking to him.

[831] So if I had a guess, I would say, no, I don't think he's racist.

[832] I think he's just not scared.

[833] of speaking his mind about very controversial issues that could very easily come across as racism when he is describing things like very real statistics, like crime statistics.

[834] Like, they're undeniable.

[835] I mean, if you look at crime statistics and the amount of young African -American men that are in jail, it's fucking bananas.

[836] It's bananas representative of the population as a whole, like this small amount of people that are black and then the large amount of black guys that are in jail, you would go, okay, well, is that evidence of racism, that that's why they're being prosecuted, or is it evidence that they're committing far more crimes?

[837] Is it a combination of both?

[838] Is it a lack of social awareness that has allowed these inner cities to get completely out of hand, these impoverished neighborhoods?

[839] Yeah, I think that.

[840] But all the fear is just going to be that he was like, you know, some black bitch basically, you know, to be so dismissive.

[841] No one's caring about the statistics he's throwing out.

[842] They're only focusing, but my point is you can get those facts out if it had been a bunch of Irish people when he was like, you know, this, this Mick Ginger Fuck just punched me, you know, cunt just punched me in the face.

[843] Because he's white, he could do it, but he could do it, but they would, but then his tweets would resonate more, it wouldn't make any kind of news, but at least it would resonate more if he had some kind of facts and figures to support, you know, whatever, the, yeah, the Mick Ginger fucks, violence problem.

[844] Joe, don't you find it interesting, though, that after all this recent shit about him being racist, that he doesn't just kind of back off and just for like a year talk about cupcakes or something like that he's actually pushing it almost to the point of like like he's really proving white national well yeah like he's really proving freedom of speech and and and everything like like he's almost trying to make a point about you know what do you what are the examples you're talking about well like you know after all this thing of of him being racist on twitter then he started going off on ferguson you know all the Ferguson stuff and then what did you see when you talk about things like that like do you know specifically what he said about Ferguson?

[845] I can pull it up, but I don't have that memory.

[846] What we know is about what Joe DeRosa talked about the other day, but he didn't cite any specifics either.

[847] So I don't know what Anthony said about Ferguson.

[848] If I knew, then I can comment on it specifically.

[849] Well, I mean, I follow him on Twitter and he's still doing, you know, silly things that What's you think about?

[850] Yeah, you got to give examples to make sense.

[851] I'll just start pulling stuff up.

[852] But I didn't really want to go that deep into that point.

[853] What I'm saying is you can go on his Twitter and see what I'm talking about.

[854] he doesn't back off well he doesn't have to yeah he doesn't back off for a reason it seems like i think most people have you got that much like you lost your job you got in trouble on twitter about a certain subject then i'm like all right i'm not going to talk about pie for a while definitely but because he's got a new show yeah he immediately made like a chunk of money you know it's like a netflix subscription type thing so he immediately made like a gang of money off that i assume so i don't know i don't know how well he's doing but i i hope he does well I thought that it would be probably smarter if he did it through subscription, that way more, or through, um, through, uh, through advertisers.

[855] Because if you did it through advertisers, that way, you know, he's going to get a large number of people that are going to listen to it.

[856] Because if it's free, you know, like, but he's kind of like hamstringing himself by making a subscription service.

[857] I think it's tough, you know.

[858] To make it cost money is like, like, you're definitely cutting people out of it.

[859] Yeah.

[860] But I think there'll be an initial thing, but you have to like get people to catch, you know, latch on board.

[861] It's really hard to get people to pay for shit on the internet in these, these, these, this day and age so much awesome stuff Howard Stern gives you like you know I mean you basically are paying for serious for like that or ONA and you can't argue that like Stern Channel that gives you like tons of you know for what you're paying like he gives you a lot of different stuff it's like him all day and other shows and his old content and just like fun productions and stuff yeah but that's not online that's not serious it's like if you subscribe to serious is that what you're saying you can get that online too yeah but I'm saying but I'm saying but I'm saying but I'm talking about making people pay for something but he but he did 20 some years of giving it for free so now you can get people are confused are you but we're talking about two different things we're talking about satellite radio or we're talking about internet subscription does he have an internet subscription thing well it's that same thing i mean it is like you could watch it online stern's thing well sort of but it's satellite radio you're working for a company i mean it's not like what anthony's doing anthony's doing an completely independent internet subscription thing i was confused i'm saying but now but howard went from being for free to ask for basically cost money to listen to him if you want to i'm saying opi going from like you know he did years of free and then years of he was you know he wasn't a specific charge for Sirius XM, even though he was, yeah, he wasn't, but now he's asking for a Netflix amount of money for one show.

[862] That's what I'm saying.

[863] There's no variety, there's no, like, he's not really giving you anything besides that two -hour show.

[864] It's very different, because first of all, Sirius is in so many cars when you buy it.

[865] Sure.

[866] When you buy it, you get a 90 -day subscription, and it plays, and you get to listen to Stern, you get addicted to it, and listen to all the different music channels, you get addicted to it, but you're paying for satellite radio.

[867] You're not paying for a specific show on the internet.

[868] There's a complete total difference in what you're getting.

[869] Like to get something on the internet is what I'm saying.

[870] It's very difficult to pay for get people to pay for something that's on the internet.

[871] It's not difficult to get people to subscribe to satellite radio, especially because satellite radio is in their car.

[872] But zillions people are like Netflix and that's all internet -based.

[873] Yeah, yeah.

[874] But Netflix gives you thousands of options.

[875] That's the point I'm making.

[876] It's hard to get people to pay for like one, two -hour show a day, four days a week.

[877] Netflix is movies and television shows.

[878] I mean, If you're paying for Netflix, you're paying for something that you could watch on television.

[879] I mean, I guess you could watch Anthony's show on TV, but that's not how most people are probably watching it.

[880] I bet the majority of the people that listen to a show are getting it, yeah, they're getting in on, like, as an audio thing, they listen to in the subway or something or in their car.

[881] That's what most people do with these things.

[882] It's just hard, it's hard to get people to pay for shit online, you know?

[883] I mean, people are trying to do it like Drive Plus is a YouTube channel that I really love.

[884] it's uh it's all about various sports cars and the inner workings of them and they do all these really cool in -depth pieces they just changed their format and it became drive plus and they made people subscribe to it and the very video they did it to the first one was one that i was a part of this shark works company that makes these cars and uh the comments were just filled with pissed off people people were so fucking mad i mean they were so mad that all the sudden They were going to be forced to have to pay.

[885] I forget what the amount of month is.

[886] I don't think it was a lot, like five bucks or something.

[887] I don't remember, though.

[888] And people, the entire comments for the video was all about people being angry that they had to pay for it.

[889] I wonder what Hulu's thing was, with their fall off or whatever, when they went from, hey, have it all for free to, like, now we charge you.

[890] Yeah, I don't know.

[891] I bet they lost a lot of people.

[892] I mean, that's just what happens.

[893] People don't want to pay for shit.

[894] But Netflix is so good.

[895] There's so much stuff.

[896] And they have their own independent programming.

[897] like that house a card show or they're doing a chelsea handler's going to do a show on it like they're they're actually becoming like a network so if you pay x amount a month for it the amount of content that they have access to is fucking incredible i like that plan too they just release the season as a whole right away yeah that really does make for like well there's also some weird shit that goes on with them with like cable uh internet providers and different internet providers like now they're going to have to pay more because they're using up more like they have to cut deals otherwise they throttle back Netflix users there's a lot of like weird shady shit when it comes to like bandwidth and how much bandwidth is worth and how much bandwidth gets soaked up by different applications what shitty Ben Affleck Justin Timberlake movie are they going to make about that guys fighting for bandwidth with the behind the scenes wars bandwidth wars yeah it's tricky man if you're trying to sell shit online unless you're a Netflix like if HBO became an online line thing only.

[898] Even with all their awesome shows that they have, they would be tough.

[899] Although, that said, the hipsters have dominated that world, and a lot of them don't do cable at all and just get, like, a subscription to HBO Go and Showtime .com and all that stuff, and they watch all their shit like that.

[900] Well, there's a lot of people that do with the iTunes.

[901] Yeah, you do, like, Apple, you know, you get an Apple TV thing.

[902] Yeah, and get a subscription to all those things.

[903] It's, you know, it could probably cost you somewhere of, like, 50 bucks a month, and you could, you pretty much have excellent.

[904] us to everything like the next day pretty close i mean there's a lot of shit you get i mean i use uh iTunes for uh i use the apple tv to watch that show the strain and i tried watch it on regular tv oh my god the fucking commercials make you hemorrhage you can't believe how often the fucking commercials come on it's like a couple minutes in bam there's another commercial and then a couple minutes after that bam there's another commercial like oh my god like they just assault you with commercials.

[905] I keep cable, direct TV for a few, one, the football package is huge, but two, there's also something that makes me feel like an adult having cable.

[906] Do you know what I mean?

[907] Like, you're supposed to have cable?

[908] I don't know why, but it really does.

[909] It just like I stopped now, but for a long time, well beyond needing one.

[910] I always had a house phone, like a landline.

[911] I was like, you're supposed to have a landline just in case, but it's just gone all.

[912] I've bought the cell phone now.

[913] After a while.

[914] Well, it's also like, don't ever want to have something that you can't just turn off yeah the beautiful thing about a cell phone is you shut that bitch off and nobody can get it away yeah yeah but um yeah like those uh a lot of people do that Netflix thing now where they don't have cable they just have Netflix and they use like their computer for shit and then hook up one of those uh I do it right now I just went and it's great because you could just target what you want instead of listening to background noise pretty much yeah it's probably smart keep you from watching as much stuff too You know, you're not just flipping through the channels And then you watch You know, sometimes there's a search process They're like, what do I want to see here?

[915] And you go on And sometimes I'll take a half an hour Just looking for a good movie to watch Like it's just wasted half hour here But like having cable Like I'll never seek out the movie Breaking ever again But I'll watch the last 45 minutes of it Three times a week if it pops on Yeah, if I'm flipping through the channels And Roadhouse comes on It's like two o 'clock in the morning You're not going to stop watching it somewhere I'm going to watch that shit It's like a gift of the universe If you're alone in a hotel room flipping through the channels And Roadhouse comes on You're on the road You'll start laughing You gotta watch it You owe it to the Jeff Healy band To do it I want you to be nice Till it's time to not be nice How I know when that is I will tell you My mom used to come home from work In the middle of the night And feed my little brother And we didn't have cable And we had a VCR And we had Roadhouse And she would watch Roadhouse Every night My mother knows every line To Roadhouse That's ridiculous Yeah It was a VHS Mijo Yeah Yeah, VHS.

[916] Oh, my God.

[917] I had that and hard to kill on the same tape, and we watched it constantly.

[918] You know what's amazing?

[919] If you could go back in time to when those video stores were out, like the local video stores, like every community had like a local video store, like a mom and pop video store.

[920] And then the Blockbuster came in and fucking, oh my God, Blockbuster's going to shut down all these mom and pop video stores.

[921] In a lot of ways they did, except Blockbuster didn't have porn.

[922] That's what kept them alive, right?

[923] So if you wanted to get the porn, you'd have to go to the Mom and Pop video store.

[924] If you came back to that day when those things were all, like, everywhere, and you said, within a couple decades, these won't even exist anymore.

[925] They're going to be gone.

[926] You're going to get everything out of the air.

[927] People will be like, what?

[928] Yeah, you're just going to press a button on a machine, and you're going to get it out of the air.

[929] Specifically for porn, what you had to go through, too.

[930] Like, our franchise in Philly had a place called West Coast Video, and you know that at all?

[931] And there's just the red boxes.

[932] Everything was like in a red box.

[933] There was no, like, the covers were up on the wall.

[934] but you got a red box and the beauty of that was I would try to just like find like my mom and step pop would rent porno movies when I was younger I guess for themselves and I would they'd leave in the VCR we only had one VCR so I guess they'd watch it when I'd stay at my grandmoms and I'd come and I'd see the title of it and I would they'd always find titles that weren't very porn sounding and then I would go I'd stay at my grams the next night and I would tell her like hey if I reserve movies go pick them up and I would reserve I'd say my little grandma in to go pick up porn movies for me. She had no way.

[935] She'd be like, you want me to make popcorn?

[936] We'll watch it together.

[937] I'm like, I'm going to probably watch it later.

[938] Did she ever call you on it?

[939] No. But one time I never returned one and they ended up calling.

[940] Oh, you tried to keep it.

[941] I just tried to keep it.

[942] It was a terrible it wasn't even a porn.

[943] It was when I rented.

[944] It was like a, like a Skinimaxy type thing.

[945] I had a friend that if the videos were really good, he would not bring them back.

[946] He was like, I'll take the penalty.

[947] I need to keep this one.

[948] Porns?

[949] Yeah.

[950] Oh, I had a guy.

[951] Take me the court for that for not returning.

[952] Really?

[953] And then eventually, like, the only reason I got off the hook eventually is it was a mom and pop place and it went under.

[954] It's called Wow Video.

[955] There was a mom and pop place when I used to hang out this pool hall in White Plains, New York.

[956] And there was a mom and pop place across the street that they found out had Tracy Lord videos that were illegal.

[957] Wow.

[958] And the guys at the pool hall found out about it.

[959] And so they took them all, and they pay the penalty on all of them.

[960] They just, they're like, these are valuable because.

[961] because she's underage.

[962] And I'm like, bro, that shit's illegal.

[963] Like, what the fuck you doing?

[964] I mean, she looked like she was of age.

[965] She had large breastuses, and she was, you know, she looked.

[966] Oh, yeah.

[967] She was enjoying it sexually.

[968] She had this big banana tits, too.

[969] Yeah, they were weird tits.

[970] But, um, beautiful girl.

[971] But anyway, she was fucking like 17 years old or 16 years old at the time when they were, when she was making these.

[972] Big muff.

[973] These guys found out about it.

[974] Yeah.

[975] Well, the whole deal.

[976] She was a woman.

[977] Yeah.

[978] I mean, she looked like a woman.

[979] She's obviously a little girl, but if you looked at her like, what is that?

[980] You would say, well, that's a naked woman.

[981] You know, no, no, she's 16, you piece of shit.

[982] What the fuck?

[983] How would I know?

[984] You showed me her naked.

[985] How much of a documentary is like her boyfriends were like in their mid -20s, early 30s and shit?

[986] Like, none of them had any idea.

[987] You mean the guys on the show or actual boyfriends?

[988] Like, she had, she's her boyfriend.

[989] The show.

[990] I'm calling the porn video this show.

[991] The guy in the show is?

[992] She dated porn stars for a while.

[993] Oh, she dated them.

[994] I think that guy, Tom Byron?

[995] Remember when there's only, like, four dude porn stars?

[996] Yeah, there's like Peter North, Tom Byron.

[997] He's always the first one because he shot the biggest loads.

[998] Isn't it weirdly gay?

[999] That's the reason?

[1000] It's gay or that he did gay porn.

[1001] Did he before that?

[1002] Yeah, he did gay porn.

[1003] Wasting those big loads on dude butts?

[1004] I don't know about wasting them.

[1005] He seemed to be enjoying it.

[1006] And this is pre -Viagra.

[1007] So he was really getting hard for gay guys.

[1008] He stayed in there, like, he stayed in the game a really long time, simply because of those loads.

[1009] They were ridiculous.

[1010] The fact that I know what you're talking about, like, if you brought it up about any other performer, you'd be like, I'm calling them performer.

[1011] What do you call them?

[1012] What do you call a guy who fuck chicks?

[1013] Adult artists, Peter North?

[1014] This powerhouse.

[1015] What's what everybody knew?

[1016] Those are the things you knew.

[1017] Ron Jeremy can count down from Tannen and come, and Peter North shoots fucking face covering loads.

[1018] What do you mean everybody knows that?

[1019] I didn't know that.

[1020] You guys didn't know that?

[1021] You guys never looked over Ron Jeremy?

[1022] How do you know that?

[1023] All his porn is what he would do He'd start counting down from 10 Or has the girl count down And then when she says one He pulls out and blows a load on it No kidding really I had no idea I had no idea about that either Yeah that's a weird thing to know Why don't you guys Take a little time How many have you watch it How many points have you watched Oh tons I had a nice stack collection Yeah and all the tapes were The tapes were red They were always like shitty colors too Red videotapes Yeah right The cheapest fucking stuff I had a friend I had a friend who had two BCR's black dude named Frank, he would just make compilation of like his favorite, like, they were great, they were great to borrow.

[1024] No, because whatever it was, it was like fat -ass white bitches.

[1025] And then it would just be like, oh.

[1026] So he was like the first compilation guy.

[1027] Yeah.

[1028] Because they have compilations now that you can go online.

[1029] Way before the internet.

[1030] But I think if I was a, I'd have a severe problem if I grew up with like the internet.

[1031] It was good that I was, that I had to like really work to get my porn.

[1032] You'd have a severe problem if you had instant access.

[1033] Absolutely.

[1034] I think a lot of people do.

[1035] I think a lot of people do have a problem.

[1036] And I think it's, as someone who has a daughter, I fucking hate that, you know, facial comshots is part of the common day.

[1037] You know what I mean?

[1038] Like, that's what you do right out of the gates sexually now.

[1039] Right out of the gate sexually.

[1040] No one, a girl's like, I'm, and I said, I'm not going back to that.

[1041] Well, I'm 36 years old, but I do remember in school, like, the girls who fucked, it was kind of quiet.

[1042] And the ones who everybody knew fucked were kind of, they were kind of shitty to them.

[1043] They kind of got like, you know, like, oh, she's a slut, which was just all the guys wishing they were fucking, you know, wishing they were fucking her.

[1044] But still, like, vilify.

[1045] You know, I think the internet's just, like, made that completely like 16 -year -old girls talking about who sucks dick better.

[1046] That's crazy.

[1047] Is that really what's going on?

[1048] Are you there when this is happening?

[1049] It's happening.

[1050] It's happening.

[1051] No, it's happening.

[1052] No, no, no. I'm sure.

[1053] I have siblings who are very younger than me because I have a stepfather.

[1054] So I have a sister who's still in high school.

[1055] oh so i mean like she's you know hopefully the best of my knowledge not doing this stuff but they were doing a thing a few years ago where the uh the kids would wear the colors you snap off the color that means like you know finger your asshole in the locker room and then you go do it and the girls would always be like oh so unfair and they would just go do it because it was like it was it was the rule a bracelet rule that they were doing mad if that was going on i would never be a comic that's for sure i would have got nothing done do you really believe that though yeah no you would eventually become a comic.

[1056] You would just get bored of it eventually.

[1057] Maybe, but I mean, even now, I had one point I lived with a guy who worked for the cable company, so we got unblocked, just a shitty Playboy channel.

[1058] Like how benign the Playboy channel is.

[1059] Right.

[1060] And if I was playing Madden on the loading screens on PlayStation 2, I would constantly flip back, like...

[1061] Back and forth to the Playboy channel?

[1062] Just to see whatever it was, because there'd be a girl with her pussy out, and that would just, for some reason, I'm going to watch that for a minute, and then go back to the loading screen.

[1063] Remember when they had fake porn?

[1064] that would like Emmanuel series on like showtime you'd watch these weird movies it was like kind of it wasn't it was romance that wasn't designed for women it was like romance that was designed for like couples or men to watch so it eventually got to people having sex but you all you really saw was like you saw breasts and you saw the man like fake humping the girl but you know you saw no penetration but you could tell like their organs were misplained like their sexual organs were not not lined up correctly she's blowing him but she's like headbutting him in the like the chest yeah yeah and if he was banging her like where's her pussy sitting there belly button it's weird some strange place none of it made any sense you know and but they were you know they were like fake moan uh uh and they were always on late at night they still have that crap man do they yeah i couldn't jerk off that now if i tried for a long there's no way i'm too far gone yeah you can't go back but you could if you were like trapped though like if you were like like in the Amazon jungle for like six months and then all of a sudden you got to a hotel room like oh my god TV and you flip through the channels and carry on Emmanuel was on and it was like a little shitty filter because those the cameras they used back then were dog shit so it was like there was no HD it was like really low resolution and kind of fuzzy and oh I used to be able to jerk off to like the girls gone wild like promo video on like e channel at night but I mean it's just like it's just such a thing of the past I couldn't even everyone was like oh how could you do Why you couldn't get so excited to the, the fappening thing, all the celebrity nudes that came out, is because still images.

[1065] I can't jerk off the still images anymore.

[1066] Yeah, and the only thing that's hot about it, well, they're hot, but it's just that they're famous.

[1067] And you know them from something else.

[1068] Yeah, that's a weird thing about porn stars.

[1069] It's like, people used to have this idea, at least, that the really beautiful women weren't porn stars.

[1070] The really beautiful women were like Cindy Crawford or, you know, whoever, fill in the blank.

[1071] Farah Fawcett.

[1072] Those are the really beautiful ones.

[1073] And the porn stars are really a couple notches behind.

[1074] But there's porn stars today that are fucking tens.

[1075] They're unbelievably beautiful.

[1076] Like you look at him and be that girl could be Lindsay Lohan.

[1077] She could be a super model.

[1078] She could be anything.

[1079] And she's just getting plowed.

[1080] Yeah.

[1081] Slanging that good dick.

[1082] You know what I'm talking about?

[1083] But they've also like removed like the excitement of that's so out there.

[1084] Like there's still something more exciting if you saw a girl that was hot at the gas station and somehow you were able to see her 10 minutes later like do something where you opened the door by accident she was naked that's way more exciting do you know what I mean I guess because it's you're seeing them it's from a different context like a porn star you know you're going to see if that same porn star happened to be the star of a sitcom and you saw her naked that would make that so much more exciting but the fact that she's you know her from sucking dick like seeing her pussy isn't that exciting I get I see what you're saying yeah Unless you weren't being inundated with porn.

[1085] See, if you're being inundated with porn, I think that's the real issue.

[1086] You get numb to the porn.

[1087] And then what the real excitement is, like, oh, I'm not supposed to be seeing this porn, so it makes it exciting.

[1088] My favorite kind is the home video shit.

[1089] If you weren't getting inundated with porn, and then you saw some porn, some naked sex, you'd be like, whoa, this is great.

[1090] You'd get excited.

[1091] Oh, yeah.

[1092] It's just a numbness thing.

[1093] That's what it is.

[1094] Yeah.

[1095] Well, you also get, like, I think I also used to be able to jerk off and fucking.

[1096] in three minutes.

[1097] Now it's like a whole process because you're like I can find a better video it's like a challenge to yourself and then the head shake you make it yourself when you're just jerking off to that third one you found like 40 minutes later you're like come on man I could have made phone calls I got emails to send could have a lot of shit done yeah and here I am right back at the same stupid bachelor party gang bang well it's like those monkey tests they do with cocaine and heroin they give the monkey's heroin they take the heroin once a day and they're straight They give the monkey's Coke And they just keep hitting that Coke button Until their fucking hearts explode You know There's something about giving guys access Just constant 24 -hour porn I mean that's where all that gagging shit And gaping and fucking All the abuse porn It's gotta become violent Well it comes out of like What's next We've done all this What's next We're gonna fucking pee in girls' butts Okay Okay how about we peeing girls' butts And we touch a straw to that pee And we make them drink it out of their own butt Fuck you That guy's in jail I think Yeah, he is in jail.

[1098] He's out now.

[1099] Is he?

[1100] Did you ever see that documentary?

[1101] Max Hardcore.

[1102] Did you ever see that documentary called Hardcore where the girl comes over from England?

[1103] It'll make you, like, furious of that guy.

[1104] Did you ever see it before?

[1105] I think I saw clips of it on EFuck.

[1106] It's a girl who comes from England, you know, porn producer is like your beautiful baby.

[1107] You're going to basically starts out where you're just going to do like pictures and lesbian porn.

[1108] And then before you know it, like they get to sets and it's like, well, I thought you said we were just going to watch today.

[1109] It's like, no, baby, come on.

[1110] Like, I told him you're doing this anal porn today.

[1111] She's like, well, I said no anal.

[1112] And he's like, well, it's more money if you do it.

[1113] And it's really watching them break a girl down.

[1114] So at one point, Max Hardcore, I believe it is, getting ready to do something terrible to her.

[1115] And she finally, like, after crying, she said she didn't want to do it.

[1116] Well, first thing he does is he walks into a room when she's going to meet Max Hardcore for the first time.

[1117] A bunch of people in this room and the documentary crew.

[1118] He walks in, he shakes everyone's hand, and goes over to her.

[1119] It seems very real.

[1120] pulls her panties down and stuffs his dick in her asshole and she makes a face like it's pretty real and she gets weeded out and then he goes let's go upstairs and he starts talking to a scene she says she doesn't want to do it he gets really first thing he tries to do is like hit her with the baby you're beautiful like you're going to make a lot of money this is a great thing people want to see your beautiful body he does that for about five minutes and then he kicks right into you stupid bitch hey whatever go back to england and tell your kid you can't take care of her and you fucking okay you get to waste my fucking time and then she agrees to do it and the documentary guys step in and they turn the camera off and just says like at this point we thought she wasn't responsible for herself anymore and they pulled her out of it okay is this a hundred percent confirmed do you sure that this wasn't in any way set up that that's why you know like there's a lot of these porn scenarios where they do like casting couches no no no no really are there's a documentary no i know that there's other ones that they do where it's totally rigged yeah i think most of them are always rigged this is not a this is a full length like two -hour documentary It's about this girl.

[1121] That was just one scene.

[1122] Right, but they showed him fucking her in the ass?

[1123] She doesn't, she's not opposed to that.

[1124] Okay, but, like she goes, yes.

[1125] Yes, they say, well, they don't show like his dick going in because it's just not the way it's a documentary guy.

[1126] So it's like if it happened in the corner over there.

[1127] Uh -huh.

[1128] So they're not showing the actual sex.

[1129] Yes, they show.

[1130] They just don't show the penetration, but you see him put his dick and her and make a face and get weird.

[1131] I don't know if that's, I don't know if that's a setup.

[1132] You know what I'm saying?

[1133] Like, do you know that that's not a setup?

[1134] Obviously, you know, I can't confirm it to 100%.

[1135] But she goes through a weird thing in this documentary.

[1136] This sounds like a real documentary.

[1137] I mean, if it was a porn documentary, they would show, like, real porn.

[1138] Yeah, no, they don't show, there's no penetration.

[1139] That doesn't necessarily mean it's true.

[1140] That's not necessarily true.

[1141] I mean, I don't know.

[1142] I see what you're saying.

[1143] Like, it sounds like it could be real, but it also could be something that they set up.

[1144] I don't know.

[1145] Of course.

[1146] Oh, well, anything could be, you know?

[1147] Yeah, I mean, it's the same, that same world.

[1148] You know what I'm saying?

[1149] That world of the fake auditions that turn to sex.

[1150] But this isn't a, this isn't a jerk -offable thing.

[1151] thing in any way.

[1152] This whole thing is terribly like, what the fuck is this guy doing this girl?

[1153] Like, is he really doing that?

[1154] It's not a...

[1155] Oh, okay.

[1156] It's not, it's not, there's no fancy set around.

[1157] Like, you see the documentary guys, like, like, the guys talking to each other, like, is this like should we do something?

[1158] So he's just an evil guy that's out of control, abusing the shit out of chicks and putting it on video?

[1159] I've heard him on Howard Stern, right?

[1160] It seems like a pretty horrible dude, but I'm speaking a little out of school.

[1161] He seemed like a horrible dude.

[1162] Yeah, this is a road documentary.

[1163] Hold on a second.

[1164] Would you hear that it seemed like he was horrible dude.

[1165] Howard Stern is the way he talked with girls come in that want to be porn stars and he just like, he just doesn't mean, he's like, well, you're a little fat, but you know, I can work with that.

[1166] Like, you know, you're, you know, right pig on your face.

[1167] And he's just like, kind of like a gruff, like shitty guys.

[1168] Maybe it's a character, for all I know, you know what I mean, but I don't know, but I heard, yeah.

[1169] But why be the villain?

[1170] I mean, the guy did go to jail, but again, I don't know what that was for, so I shouldn't.

[1171] Well, I'll tell you exactly what it was for.

[1172] He went to jail for obscenity.

[1173] No, really?

[1174] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1175] Obsenity laws.

[1176] It's a very scary thing Look I don't think that what he See it's a tricky situation because I think anybody with any ethics or morals It looks at that guy and what the kind of videos he did You don't want to be attached to that It's disgusting I mean if even if it is fake It's still like man what why does this get you off Like you're just you're being fucking horrible to these people If that's really what gets you off Like what kind of a human being are you and what kind of a What kind of a product are you selling But the way they got bottom is there are certain places that have like really strict obscenity laws and so they prosecuted him in florida in this one area that had these like really brutally strict obscenity laws so they went after this guy they targeted him i think you know they saw the videos and he decided this is a piece of shit and we need to put this guy in jail and like they in their eyes the prosecutor's eyes i think if i had a guess that they found a guy who had made this sort of a evil business off of a loophole And that loofhole is the freedom of expression that he's allowed to have his own artistic interpretation of what's porn and what's not porn.

[1177] But to anybody like you, that's a normal guy who watches it, you're like, this guy's a piece of shit.

[1178] Like, he's making movies for fucking evil people.

[1179] Yeah, to want to get off to that is a very bizarre thing to me. It is.

[1180] It's definitely very bizarre.

[1181] But it's also like at what point in time is it censorship?

[1182] At what point in time is like, who's to say that you can't, I mean, if you made a movie, okay, this is a totally, unrelated thing, but if you made a movie about a guy who was a horrible serial killer, right?

[1183] And he's very sadistic, and it's part of the entertainment this guy's very sadistic, and then as long as someone catches that guy and kills him, most of us are like, wow, that was a fucked up movie, but they got him in the end.

[1184] Yeah.

[1185] The problem with this is nobody gets it in the end, except the girl.

[1186] Girl gets it in the end.

[1187] You know what I mean?

[1188] Like, the girl gets abused, and it's about abuse, and that's it.

[1189] There's no narrative.

[1190] There's no, like, story arch, arc where someone comes along and they fucking find this guy and they lock him up in jail at the end and everybody feels safe.

[1191] No, it's just awful.

[1192] From the beginning to the end, it's awful and then it ends.

[1193] There's no plot.

[1194] It's just him violating somebody.

[1195] Yeah.

[1196] And it's but I mean, it rolls on without him though.

[1197] I mean, there's like a thousand max hardcore.

[1198] I'm sure right?

[1199] Those guys, they'll put on a, on e -fucked, I've seen them do those, uh, the compilations of like just not even the sex part, just the guys being mean to the chick.

[1200] It's like they bring in like awful like unattractive.

[1201] women and they shit on them and then fuck them.

[1202] It's very weird.

[1203] Yeah, and they smack them.

[1204] There's a lot of physical abuse.

[1205] There's like physical abuse that would be illegal and you would actually go to jail for.

[1206] Like, you can't smack a chick in the face, but like, you can't.

[1207] You can't even sign a waiver to say that's okay.

[1208] I guess I sort of can.

[1209] I mean, like wrestling, right?

[1210] But isn't it different if it's a guy smacking a woman?

[1211] I mean, let's be honest, isn't it?

[1212] Morally?

[1213] If a guy smacking a guy in a wrestling, if they're doing a pro, wrestling match and a guy smacks a guy these guys are they're agreeing to this they're both guys if two girls are doing it they're both girls but if a guy does it to a girl but I mean there's been there has to have been pro wrestling storylines where the guy accidentally swings and smacks the girl like that's part of the storyline I mean I just watched the other day Triple H put Stephanie McMahon the pedigree well in movies for sure there's been domestic violence in movies without a doubt but they're not really no no no but they're not really hitting.

[1214] That's the actual contact.

[1215] No, but in pro wrestling, there is contact.

[1216] Yes, that's the difference.

[1217] In pro wrestling, they're actually hitting.

[1218] So if you've watched...

[1219] There's absolutely TV shows and movies that they hit each other in.

[1220] No, you see a woman hit a man. You never see a man actually hit a woman in a movie.

[1221] Not a recent movie.

[1222] Well, I bet you there is.

[1223] In the last year, some show that you has a man hit a woman and it's a real hit.

[1224] No, they can make it...

[1225] No. Jersey Shore had that happened.

[1226] But that wasn't set up.

[1227] You can make it look like it's a real hit.

[1228] You could make it look like it, but I've never seen, I've never seen a woman cough a man, or a man cough a woman in the face where I thought it was real.

[1229] That Jersey Shore, Snooky got punched in the face by a dude.

[1230] Yeah, that was real, 100%.

[1231] That was 100%.

[1232] That got jawed her.

[1233] She got blasted.

[1234] So that's the type of thing you can't fake.

[1235] I mean, she just got popped.

[1236] That guy was a fucking savage.

[1237] That guy was a school teacher.

[1238] I know.

[1239] And an MMA fighter.

[1240] Was he really?

[1241] Yep.

[1242] Yeah.

[1243] I mean, he just uncorked on her face.

[1244] I guess MMA's been around long enough now.

[1245] There's just finally there's some guys coming out and disgracing the sport a little bit.

[1246] There's always going to be crazy people in everything.

[1247] Soccer players, fucking whatever.

[1248] Competition, aggressive types.

[1249] Polo athletes.

[1250] Yeah, there's people that are nuts.

[1251] You're going to run into people.

[1252] I mean, the most unlikely scenario, if it's a competition, you know, you're going to run into, even if it's not a competition.

[1253] There's probably asshole dentists that'll punch you in the face if they're doing shots.

[1254] And then sometimes it works out those MMA guys.

[1255] It works out great.

[1256] Remember that?

[1257] Was that a World Star Hip -Hop video?

[1258] video with the was it down in DC kind of unassuming white dude oh Ryan Hall dropped the big black guy right and the guy gave up eventually yeah and then it shows like partying with the black dudes later yeah yeah you mounted him you didn't even kick his ass just held him down and just out grappled him let him know yeah let him know that it's gonna get worse yeah that's so awesome yeah well especially if you haven't grappled before you get tired so quick you're like okay okay get off me like you don't have enough energy left to attack him like you there's nothing left I love bullies getting knocked out video I do love those those make me happy It's nice when you see that As comics I think where you said the thing about punching up Earlier it really is like we do seek justice to some degree For sure I just have a problem with the statement That all good comedy is punching up That's just not true There's a lot of good comedy that's punching sideways There's a lot of good comedy that's punching down But there's no but Louis CK is shitting on his daughter There's no like lack of justice there Do you know I mean in that regard Because you said you kind of know It's not only is it implied It's very obvious he's kidding He loves his kid Nobody makes an outward And it's funny No one does make an outward thing about that The fights people choose to pick When I did a Interestingly enough With the daughter thing When I did Fallon I talked shit about my daughter For the first two minutes of it And then I did Michael Vic jokes And thousands of hate males The next day poured in Over these Michael Vic jokes Over Imaginary dog I say that he was on my team so I have to love him because he's on my team at the time he's on the eagle still and I say I go you know I know he's a terrible dude and did some terrible things but while he's on my team just win like I'll throw him a dog let him tear it apart like a werewolf in the end zone if he scores and I said I'd mail him a box of puppies with a photograph of me shushing if he wins a Super Bowl and it killed in the room and it did great but then all the hate mail came in for that and it was such a weird thing that's like not one person was like how do you shit talk your daughter like that you know you're telling a joke about shitting on her father's day present or something she got for you it's like no one cares but that there but there's petitions online for a public apology for me for imaginary dogs dogs that don't exist well once things happen people get excited and they want action they want they want you to apologize and if they can force you into action they've won some sort of an online contest you know they've decided they've written a blog about it they've started a hashtag make j oakerson hashtag make jay apologize yeah it's specifically It's so bizarre to get that wound up about comedy ever.

[1259] I don't get it.

[1260] How about everything, man?

[1261] I mean, every fucking YouTube video that comes out is a thousand comments.

[1262] People are duking it out in the comment section, and people get fired up about almost everything and anything.

[1263] And if they have the license to be offended, people have the license to be offended.

[1264] Like, they could think that what you said is not funny.

[1265] You know, they can think that what you said is cruel, but this license to be offended.

[1266] Aren't you blown away?

[1267] I don't want him ever on my show again.

[1268] This is my show.

[1269] I like this show.

[1270] Aren't you blown away, though, how like offended people get us but i feel like comedy should be void of that course yeah like it's sometimes i feel like we're treated like we're speaking to fucking congress like yeah we're giving affidavits in court there's a laughing microphone behind me on a sign you know like what do you well you see it you see what's going on people are just getting attention if you talk about it and you engage them and they get to be upset about you and find other folks that are upset about it as well everybody gets to be to have a little attention that's why and you know it's obviously one of the most famous moments in the show but that's why I was always I was very tight with Kilstein like Jamie Kilstein at one point and like as a comic coming out against comedy that blew my mind so much when that happened yeah the thing about I still once in a while yeah I was still once in a while go back and watch that whole thing because I'm trying to get where he was coming from with that where he's coming from is a very rigid ideology there's a very rigid ideology of you know what with the down the people that are talking down on it we call the social justice warriors they talk about in a mocking sense social justice warriors but social justice warriors like the idea behind like the super male feminists very liberal very you know a lot of them vegan like this this whole idea of do the least amount of harm possible they have a very rigid ideology when it comes to certain things they don't they don't leave any room for certain things to be discussed in a mocking matter you know and i think that you get stuck in that world if you're in that world like they have very rigid rules they don't think you should ever say a joke about rape was really fucked up as jamie had one about rape it was about men getting raped and it was okay it's like you can't you can't you just can't have any mocking jokes about any woman getting raped even if the daniel tosh situation it was like such an obvious line the you know she yells out during his if no one knows the scenario tosh was on stage and he was asking the audience what they wanted to talk about because like occasionally someone will yell out a subject and it'd be pretty funny you know and then you may may be able to come up with a bit from it who knows he's just having a good time with the crowd being loose ad living some guy yells talk about rape and he goes and he starts listing off all the thing that's not funny about rape like what are you talking about what's what is it the humiliation the physical violence like what part do you think it's funny and this woman like self -righteously yells out actually there's nothing funny about rape as if he didn't know that as if he wasn't saying that exact same thing and he goes wouldn't it be funny if five guys raped her right now like and then everybody starts howling laughing why because it's a funny thing to say in that moment sure and to argue against that as saying like that promotes a culture that accepts rape is completely ridiculous what it promotes is is rallying against people that are stating the obvious they're stating the obvious to take a moral high ground actually there's nothing funny about rape like he was saying that very thing with humor that there is nothing funny about rape when she chimed in it's a person that wanted attention that's the same person that wrote that blog she wrote a blog about it that very person was like the nightmare person to say that too because she went and she wrote this blog and then he wound up giving this like fake apology which is pretty hilarious did you see uh what law and order SVU did with that story what they made that into they did oh yeah you know they do the polls from the headlines so they had the First of all, they referred to him as, like, they're like, where are you going?

[1271] Like, we're going up to the college campus to watch that, that new rape comic is in town.

[1272] They call him a rape comic.

[1273] No. It's Jonathan Silverman, plays him.

[1274] That's hilarious.

[1275] He goes, the new rape comic in town.

[1276] So he goes up there, and his jokes are all about, you know, like, fucking chicks against their wills to some degree.

[1277] But everyone loves him.

[1278] He's getting huge applause and cheers.

[1279] Oh, my God.

[1280] That's so ridiculous.

[1281] The SV, the entire, what's funny about that is at one scene after they suspect, uh, He goes on trial because a girl almost got raped after his show, a girl that was a fan of his, and they try to make the argument that these guys wouldn't have tried to rape her if they weren't all goose up from his comedy show.

[1282] And that was the actual argument.

[1283] And what they ended up doing with the story was, first thing they do what made me laugh was the whole SVU team goes and sits front row at his comedy show is what they do first.

[1284] And they're just sitting there staring and shaking their heads, and you almost want to go, you guys are actually being a pretty shitty audience.

[1285] at the end of the day it's like if you're gonna sit there and stare at least sit in the back like that seems like a kind of a weird like you're making the show get weird and rapy by staring staring at them but then what they do the big payoff is at the end of the whole episode they make that he was also a rapist I actually tweeted out I was like pretty fucking irresponsible like that's a really irresponsible thing for the show like that to do you would think that by the way the kind of people that actually would be rapist they would be talking about how rape is awful because they would probably be trying to throw people off the face.

[1286] They wouldn't be like raping all the time and then joking about raping all the time.

[1287] Like that sounds like the exact opposite of what you would do if you were trying not to get busted being a fucking rapist.

[1288] Crack joke?

[1289] What are you trying to loosen people's expectations?

[1290] Remember there was a comedian rapist?

[1291] Remember that?

[1292] Oh, yeah.

[1293] A guy would backtrack his schools.

[1294] He would go to colleges and he would rape girls at colleges and he would ask them to pray for him.

[1295] Really?

[1296] Vince Champ.

[1297] Yeah, but didn't he do it?

[1298] Was his name Vince Champ?

[1299] But didn't he do, he would go, like, those block bookings?

[1300] Like, he would go do one school, pick out the chick, go to the next school, and then double back.

[1301] So I think he pulled it off for a while.

[1302] I didn't know he had a strategy.

[1303] Did he have a strategy?

[1304] From what I understand.

[1305] I could be wrong about that, obviously.

[1306] But I've heard that from several sources that.

[1307] It was like a doubling back thing.

[1308] He won Star Search in 1992, and he's serving a 55 to 70 -year sentence for rapes he committed at college campuses on his stand -up circuit.

[1309] How many did they say?

[1310] many rapes there's a bunch i don't know man the uh story i'm looking for has been removed from the internet how many rapes well there was so many rapes it's in the late 90s but it was in the late 90s yeah i don't know how many got how many girls he raped but he would have asked them to pray for him which is really fucked rape the last thing a chick wants to hear while you're raping him so even you feel bad about the rape i i think rape there always has to be like it seems to me there's got to be a shut up or I'll do this element to it because I feel like you just couldn't it's like professional wrestling like how you couldn't suplex somebody like a a vertical suplex it doesn't want to be suplexed like you couldn't possibly do it to someone I feel like how could you fuck someone who's really snapping their leg shut and fighting it's it almost seems like it's an impossible to ask are you serious it's got physically for real yeah I mean it happens all the time obviously you can happen no by saying I think there's always an element I think eventually the girl kind of has to do like some kind of like just get this fucking over if you fight physically fight the entire time i think you almost couldn't pull it off um i don't know man i think a guy could probably pull it off i think they do i don't even know what you're saying like guys i know no no i don't know i don't know jesus christ did it make it sound like i say guys don't don't know no no no no but girls fight them off and they still rape them that shit happens all the time i think men are just bigger you know big strong men and small women it's probably they you down.

[1311] It seems pretty obvious.

[1312] I think though, if you just spit on it.

[1313] Is that what you're saying?

[1314] No, I mean like if you, like she's not going to be wet, you know?

[1315] I'm not even talking about that.

[1316] I'm talking just about the other of someone like nonstop, like physically flailing around, like to completely subdue someone's, have you ever just like playfully wrestled with a girl?

[1317] Like, with your girlfriend or something was like, uh, oh yeah, my chick, if I try to hold her arms and to tickle her and she's flailing, like I don't think I can control her full and she's not a big girl at all.

[1318] Hmm.

[1319] I control my girl.

[1320] She can't move.

[1321] Brian kicks ass on.

[1322] bullies controls his girl he's a fucking savage dude you could stop a rape and rape don't even forget all personal appearances put that aside he's a savage Jesus Christ I can control my girl yeah you could look man if you know how to wrestle you could hold a chick down pretty goddamn easy it's not hard could hold a dude down but you have to hold her down and accomplish something that's like sort of intricate to some degree I don't know I don't This is a weird thing to speculate.

[1323] Let's break it down.

[1324] How would you go, Brian?

[1325] Let's take it around the horn.

[1326] It'd be jih Tzu -y.

[1327] First of all, I do a classroom judo throw then.

[1328] Jiu -Jit -same.

[1329] I think that it'd probably be, it's like, especially there's a lot of violence involved, right?

[1330] Like hitting, choking.

[1331] I don't think it would be hard.

[1332] I mean, it would obviously, it wouldn't be as easy as, like, normal sex.

[1333] No, I'm almost making the point I'm saying, that time actually the sex part happens i feel like there's just a give up to some degree man yeah i guess you can see me appearing at the tomahawk university college started my announced my college tour it's called the don't worry i don't believe i could possibly rape you tour hey everybody has their own confidence level what they can put off what they can't Can't pull off in this life.

[1334] If you feel like you're limited in that regard.

[1335] I can never dunk a basketball and I can never rape.

[1336] Those are two things I physically can't pull off.

[1337] It is a fucked up thing, man, that that's like so common in the animal community, like violence and sex.

[1338] Like, if you ever watched, like, I was watching this documentary, or I was listening to this podcast, rather, about Tasmanian devils and how vicious Tasmanian devils are with each other, and that while they're having sex, like, they always bite each other.

[1339] They're constantly biting each other.

[1340] fuck each other's faces up like when they have sex and they fuck each other's faces up when they're fighting over a meal they're constantly going at it but there was a disease that was spreading amongst them that was actually a type of cancer and the type of cancer was actually proving to be um something that's contagious by some strange manner of evolution these cancerous cells would burst and infect the cells around them and so they all these uh tasmanian devils started dying off because they started developing these cancerous, contagious tumors, and they were constantly biting each other in the face.

[1341] So they would be biting into these tumors, and the tumors would, like, literally make tumors on the other animals.

[1342] Jesus.

[1343] Yeah, but just constantly attacking and fucking mangling each other.

[1344] Like, that's what they did.

[1345] They were just constantly, like, biting when they fucked.

[1346] And they make these crazy noises, man. This guy who is a...

[1347] Have you ever listened to Radio Lab?

[1348] You know what I'm talking about?

[1349] Yeah.

[1350] amazing podcast it's an amazing podcast and the podcast is all um you know it's all like really interesting things that are like one of them they had about uh the problems with trying to communicate with dolphins and just really fascinating fascinating stuff one of them was on the apocalypse like how uh what the asteroid impact did and how many animals were killed off and what the original humans probably looked like the thing that became a human that was alive back then this fucking burrowing throwing underground mammal rodent type thing but um they were doing this this radio lab one on these tasmanian devils and this cancer that was spreading it was fucking madness man i don't like to dig in this stuff like that too much of it gives me a genuine anxiety especially apocalypse stuff yeah like you know it's like it was always just a chance of you know a meteor size of texas could destroy the earth but just weird that that became like a thing with these animals that they would bite and fuck while they're biting wah they're biting each other in the face and that's not a discussion And that's just nature.

[1351] It's the nature of it.

[1352] It's not like...

[1353] They constantly do it.

[1354] Apparently, they just bite.

[1355] They're just always fighting over meat and fucking biting each other in the face.

[1356] Pramantis fucks and kills, like immediately, so...

[1357] Yeah.

[1358] Same, you know, it's like...

[1359] So does Black Widow, right?

[1360] Yep.

[1361] That's real common in the insect community.

[1362] I saw an ant once.

[1363] This weird fucking ant that takes...

[1364] They're almost all females and there's occasionally males.

[1365] And when they find a male, they bite his legs off.

[1366] They bite his legs off.

[1367] They bite his legs off.

[1368] and they bring the male's like slightly larger they bite his legs off and then they carry him into the hive to breed and then they wind up killing him.

[1369] They make him write a book.

[1370] They just, they cripple him.

[1371] He has like wings, I think, too.

[1372] Is that the story of misery?

[1373] You make him write a book with your favorite character?

[1374] Yeah, we got it so weak, we're such pussies.

[1375] You know, we have a conversation about how difficult it would be to rape somebody and it's like dangerous subject to tread you look into the nature world.

[1376] It's like, sex without raped, they're like, what are you talking about?

[1377] That doesn't even happen.

[1378] I wanted I take it Yeah there's That's how you make sure Like the line right They just walk up and start fucking Well yeah And the lion has to get through all the male lions He has to prove his worth And then eventually he's going to get pushed out By some new young lions You know because he wants to keep like a few chicks around And some new young lions are going And then he's going to be out there on his own They'd say that's like the biggest problem in Africa It's like a metaphor for SNL For some of the new line comes in The old one gets sent out to pasture To Meadows I never watch that show but like with uh african uh villages the real problem that they have is when a lion uh gets cast out and uh the females don't get their food anymore then the lions have to go get their own food and a lot of those old males they start to get crippled and slow and the chip teeth off and shit then they become super dangerous because they can't get the the normal game animals they're used to getting so then they start snatching people just oh yeah they still keep proving themselves well there was a leopard there was a story about a let it was in the new yesterday about a leopard in India that they think it's responsible one individual leopard responsible for 15 deaths 15 different people that it targets drunk people and that it waits yeah how fuck does that's really yes leopard weights a spot yeah well people you know they go out and they start partying and this leopard has apparently developed this taste for drunk people like he knows that when people come out of these bars they're slow and they don't know what the fuck's going on they're not on there they're not on the ball and they get jacked.

[1379] It's almost weird to walk out of anywhere in the world of a bar and there's a leopard waiting for you, even in India.

[1380] India is scary with leopards.

[1381] In fact, in India, I find it more weird if there's a bar than a leopard waiting to kill you.

[1382] I feel like the bomb, like there's bars in India.

[1383] Well, you know what's interesting, like India everybody always thinks of as being like this place of peaceful meditation and yoga, right?

[1384] I mean, that's a lot of people think of you.

[1385] Desert, camel.

[1386] But you hear about all these goddamn gang rapes.

[1387] Like India has these horrible stories.

[1388] Is the people getting, like, gang raped on buses and women dying?

[1389] Like, don't you hear about those quite a bit?

[1390] Sure, yeah.

[1391] Like, I wouldn't have normally associated that with India, you know?

[1392] We don't think of that.

[1393] But it's like, when you have a billion people, you get a lot of crazy shit going on.

[1394] You got a billion people stuffed onto a continent.

[1395] Can you imagine?

[1396] I mean, the young people anywhere are picking up on, like, especially with Internet and everything, picking up on, like, the culture of all that stuff.

[1397] So if you go to South Africa, they're street gangs, you know.

[1398] And they think they're bloods and crips because that's what they see.

[1399] Really?

[1400] sure yeah i mean it's not i don't think they're directly affiliated but there's like there's street gangs you know like that kind of thing in south africa it's a weird place like that do you remember when there was a ice cube song about um moving the crips and the bloods to the midwest no what's the song yeah steady mobbin i think it was road trip it was yeah it was it was something like that where these uh these gang bangers it got too hot in la so they set up gang affiliates in the middle of the country oh those are those like southern ones like those documentaries HBO would do about the white boy gangs like just a bunch of dudes wearing like bandanas over their face and carrying hay sickles like yeah what a terrifying thing coming your way is like the children of the corn with do rags on what was that show was like banging in the suburb bangin little rock banging in little rock that's right yeah wow that's like white trash guys like get him geary that scared a lot of people oh yeah banging in little rock type shit.

[1401] It scares a lot of people.

[1402] The idea that this gang violence that you see in like Englewood and Compton on the television shows that that's somehow another that boys in the hood shit could somehow know that make it.

[1403] Yeah, and it's like terrifying.

[1404] When you see it in the South, it's weird because it looks, it's already kind of a scary area of like swampy overgrown hedges and stuff.

[1405] And then there's like, there's like a dude with an oozy wearing a red flannel and swampy Louisiana weather.

[1406] And if you, yeah, fuck.

[1407] And if you're scared of it, you're racist.

[1408] Just don't hit back.

[1409] You know, I tell you what, I've talked about some shit on this podcast and gotten, you know, a lot of people's reactions about it.

[1410] But one of the biggest reactions I ever got about anything I said was that I was talking about John Jones.

[1411] And I said, I wonder how much of like why he's not popular is racism.

[1412] I wonder if people are racist.

[1413] You even say you wonder that someone might be racist, like if someone's reaction to something.

[1414] It's probably like flipping of me to say, like, that's like, especially when you need.

[1415] not considering it before you're saying it, you're just discussing a subject because you think it's interesting.

[1416] It's such a charged subject.

[1417] You've got to have like a fully formed idea before you say it.

[1418] But just the mere possibility that some people could be racist was like such it, like people are so angry, like not even saying you're racist, not saying the only way that you couldn't like the guy was because of racism.

[1419] I said, I wonder how much of it is racism.

[1420] I wonder if it's a factor.

[1421] Because I always wonder about racism.

[1422] I think he gives reasons beyond that.

[1423] I think it's a fair question.

[1424] I mean, he gives reasons to dislike him.

[1425] Beyond race, but, you know, at the same time, why?

[1426] Yeah, some people will just, is it ridiculous the notion that people will just blindly, like, think, just, you know what I mean?

[1427] Like, I don't know.

[1428] It's a, we'll leave in a world of apologies.

[1429] Don't apologize for asking.

[1430] Well, it's, it's just such a highly charged subject.

[1431] It's a fascinating thing that it's so highly charged, that, you know, even a mere suggestion.

[1432] And if people thought in some way that I meant, if you don't like them, it's because you're racist, then that's my shitty job of communicating an idea because that certainly was never what I was thinking but what I was thinking was what I think I know for a fact when I was a kid I used to root for white guys I just did like when Jerry Cooney fought Larry Holmes I remember very clearly being embarrassed that I rooted for Jerry Cooney because he was a white guy because I remember Larry Holmes boxed the shit out of him and he just picked him apart and before that I mean Jerry Cooney was a really good fighter he was uh he beat ken norton he knocked him out devastating knockout it was like it was he was a good fighter but larry holmes was a master at the time and it was just i should have been appreciating what larry holmes was able to do to this guy who'd been able knock out some really good fighters that larry holmes was just using his skill and then it was but i had been rooting for jerry cooney so when he lost i was like damn but was it because it might have been because he was the underdog too no i was a kid i was dumb i know i was rooting for it because he was white i know i was probably like i was a senior or a junior maybe a junior in high school so i guess i was like 16 and uh yeah i was just dumb i mean it wasn't that i was racist it was how dumb i could just been going what you would like what you attached to the most like what you related to the most certainly i could be that guy yeah most certainly most certainly yeah but um i did it a little bit when i was 20 not but not nearly as enthusiastically with Tommy Morrison.

[1433] Screaming.

[1434] I love you, white boxer.

[1435] No, with Tommy Morrison, I was like, I just, you know, I was keeping an eye on him.

[1436] How'd you feel after Ray Mercer?

[1437] How'd you feel after that?

[1438] That was the worst knockout I've ever seen in my life.

[1439] That knockout was so good that my friend Kevin, who was like a huge fan of Tommy Morrison, was like, he wasn't even bummed out.

[1440] He's like, damn, that dude's awesome.

[1441] Just saying that, you know, Ray Mercer was so awesome.

[1442] Even though he was rooting for Tommy Morrison, it was such a brutal knockout that he just wanted to see Ray Mercer fight again.

[1443] It was so good.

[1444] Cut to Ray Mercer whispering in a guy's ear a few years later, like, please take a dive.

[1445] I'll give you half the money.

[1446] Who did he say that to?

[1447] I forget, but it was like a court TV case.

[1448] Oh, that's right.

[1449] Oh, my God.

[1450] When they were in the clinch, he goes, take a dive, I'll give you half the money.

[1451] Who was that?

[1452] Was it Bobby Ches?

[1453] No, who was it that he had a fight with?

[1454] He had a fight with someone, and it was it important.

[1455] If he lost the fight, he was not going to get a title shot.

[1456] So he was right, or allegedly.

[1457] He asked one to take a dive.

[1458] Have he ever been proven?

[1459] Was it ever proven?

[1460] You can look it up.

[1461] I think he may have been found guilty of that.

[1462] Maybe.

[1463] I don't know.

[1464] Did you ever watch that documentary speaking of boxing about the guy, what was his name, where they made his, like, inside of his gloves?

[1465] Billy Resto.

[1466] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1467] They fucked Billy Collins, Jr. He claims he didn't know.

[1468] Yeah, that was Panama Lewis.

[1469] That was the same guy who doctored up Aaron Pryor's drink.

[1470] He said, don't give me that water.

[1471] Give me the other one, the one that I fixed.

[1472] And then he gives it to Aaron Pryor, and Aaron Pryor goes out there.

[1473] like a fucking bat out of hell and knocks out Alexis Argue on the next round.

[1474] And they said it was some sort of a stimulant.

[1475] Aaron Pryor, rather, wind up having a bit of a drug problem.

[1476] So could have been related in that way.

[1477] But it's just weird how the fucking ferocity of the reactions when I brought up this racism thing.

[1478] Maybe it was like irresponsible on my part, but I'm sort of happy that I brought it up anyway just because I'm fascinated by the response.

[1479] And I'm fascinated by no black people.

[1480] agreed with me. That's the weird thing.

[1481] The weird thing is the guys who disagree, I don't know everybody who disagree with me on Twitter, so I'm kind of talking out of my ass here, but the people that I interact with on a regular basis, whether they all thought it was, the black guys all thought it was very valid, that there's a certain amount of, like, extra judgment that you give a cocky young black athlete.

[1482] And I was like, that's fascinating.

[1483] Like, I wonder if that's true.

[1484] Even just paying attention to that, that's something, I wonder, you know, that's So I wonder what of a factor it is.

[1485] And it's not, it's not the only factor.

[1486] Look, there's 350 million people in this country, rather.

[1487] And if, you know, if a million people like you and a million people hate you, this is a fucking wide variety of reasons.

[1488] But to say that out of all the millions of people who know you are, that they're on a certain percentage of them that are racist seems disingenuous.

[1489] I mean, it seems like there's a certain amount of people across the board, they're going to be racist.

[1490] If you have 350 million people, I don't know how many people.

[1491] you're going to get that are racist, but there's got to be a certain percentage that has to be factored in there.

[1492] So, you know, saying you wonder how much of it is?

[1493] I think the interesting thing is that I think Floyd Mayweather, people that hate him, I bet there's a lot more racism involved in that than John Joe.

[1494] John Jones gives you pretty valid reasons to be like, this guy's sort of a dick, just publicly from what you see, you know, I don't know anything of them other than what I see in the press and on the shows.

[1495] But I mean, like, Mayweather's a guy, you know, you see, like, you know, the press is talking to him, he's like throwing $100 bills on the, you know, he's just like, uh, like, he's a master showman in that regard, too, though.

[1496] But that personality feeds into someone who's got racism in their heart.

[1497] That's really, that fires them up.

[1498] Well, I've read some horrific shit about, well, I've read, I've read some racist shit about both guys, about John Jones and about Floyd Mayweather, but this recent, a barrage of shit about people, like, how much hate they have for him after he fought Maidan and lost, you know, I don't know if they were betting on my Don, I don't know what it is, but That's also how he sells tickets.

[1499] I mean, he sells tickets by people wanting him to lose.

[1500] Sure.

[1501] But he's so fucking good.

[1502] You could barely hit him.

[1503] If he gets tagged once or twice hard in a fight, it's shocking and rare.

[1504] But there's a lot of fights where he'll go, like, the entire fight just boxing someone's face off and not get hit at all.

[1505] So for every Sugar Shay Mosley who connects or every Midana right hand that lands, there's like a lot of rounds where he's not even getting hit.

[1506] He's just slipping out of things and moving and doing things to you that you.

[1507] didn't expect and moving in a way that you didn't anticipate and being nowhere near you when you're looking to hit him you know he's a master but he's also a master of manipulation i mean he's playing the heel where i think john is just a young guy figuring it out on his own while he's one of the baddest men on the planet at 25 years of age and he's had this ridiculous rise to success that happened in a really short period of time like from the time he was like 21 years old to the time that he's 25, starts martial arts and becomes the light heavyweight champion.

[1508] I mean, that's fucking crazy.

[1509] I mean, he had a martial art background because he was a really good wrestler and did know some kicking and punching and stuff before he started into MMA.

[1510] But he got into MMA because he got his girlfriend pregnant.

[1511] And he, you know, he couldn't go to college.

[1512] He wanted to do the right thing and said, all right, fuck it, I'll start fighting.

[1513] And then got into it.

[1514] I mean, he's a crazy road for anybody to take.

[1515] And to be that popular and that famous at 25, yeah, you're going to fuck up, man. But there was a...

[1516] You're going to make mistakes.

[1517] You got to watch.

[1518] Can you almost pinpoint what it is when the switch flipped on him?

[1519] I remember, like, I saw, I went to, I went to UFC 101 in Philly, Forrest Griffin versus Silva.

[1520] And there, he was walking around, John Jones, and I remember my buddy Dave was with me. He was like, there's John Jones, man, he's like, that guy's badass, he's going to be the next chance.

[1521] He was just really pumping him up, like, saying how great he was and how fun of a young guy.

[1522] And then I started paying attention to him more, and he was amazing.

[1523] And then just one day, it just seems like people were like, what a did.

[1524] some people yeah yeah but people want you to be perfect then they're looking for flaws too the machita thing was the first thing i saw he didn't do anything wrong in that what do you mean i thought it was weird that he dropped him afterwards i know it's an aggressive situation but i think dropping a guy that he said he knew it was unconscious was kind of was kind of shitty for a sport where i thought this is all supposed to be handshakes at the end and stuff i see what you're saying i see what you're saying i thought you could hear you can't you can hear uh but when he walks over it's funny Greg Jackson that you can hear him say to him he goes John goes go win these people back and go check if he's okay that's true he says he goes go check if he's okay go get some fans yeah go get some fans yeah no that's true um I think but also I think to be a bad motherfucker at that high level like a lot of times these guys are so intense that they get completely caught up in it and they just trapped in the moment I think I know the dude I know him from backstage I know him from when he's not fighting and he's really friendly he's really cool dude but I wouldn't want to be fighting them.

[1525] I think if you're competing against him, I think he's, all those dudes that are at the top of the heap, they're pretty fucking ferocious.

[1526] And some guys are better at keeping it together in scenarios like that, you know, where they don't drop the guy, but some guys aren't.

[1527] You know, I mean, Dan Henderson, who's one of the greatest of all times.

[1528] One of the most famous moments in his career is he knocked out Michael Bisping with his vicious right hand.

[1529] And Bisping went soaring.

[1530] I mean, he was out cold, and Henderson dropped one on him afterwards.

[1531] I remember that.

[1532] Talked about it in the post -fight interview, how he dropped one on it.

[1533] I mean, that's common.

[1534] And he said the last one was like running his mouth kind of thing.

[1535] Babelieu, who's another famous mixed martial arts fighter, great fighter, who fought in a bunch of different organizations.

[1536] He lost his gig with the UFC, partially because he held onto this guy after he was done choking him, and then talked about it in the post -fight press interview with me. And that guy was, I mean, not doing anything that B .J. Penn hadn't done.

[1537] BJ Penn did the same thing to Jen's Pulver Like Pulver was tapping He still fucking hung on to it Because they were angry at each other But Pulver didn't go out You know And for whatever reason Him holding that choke for an extra couple of seconds Was okay Whereas Bobaloo's guy went out And then he talked about it But everybody knows why they do it Sure They do it because they're fucking caught up In all the trash talking And all the bullshit And you know It is important that a fighter let go When a referee tell him not to But it's understandable How these guys get caught up in that It's understandable They've got to stop doing it, but what John did technically is nothing wrong with it.

[1538] Because when the referee came over to him, he didn't keep hanging on to it.

[1539] That would have been a more egregious example, more, you know.

[1540] But it is one of those things where you appreciate, like Nate Marquart fought this guy, Damien Maia, knocked him out with one punch.

[1541] Damien was like dazed but still conscious, and Marquard hovered over him and pulled back.

[1542] I realized he was out of it.

[1543] The referee stepped in and stopped it, but Nate easily could have dropped a bomb on him.

[1544] And he didn't, and it was a really classy move.

[1545] And people really respected that, that he did that.

[1546] And I made sure I talked about it in the commentary that is a very classy move.

[1547] Roy Jones used to do that.

[1548] Roy Jones was like, almost look at the ref, like, stop this.

[1549] He did that with Vinnie Pazienza.

[1550] He looked over at the rev, and he's like, come on, man, stop the fight.

[1551] And the referee said, no, he said, okay.

[1552] And then he went, boping!

[1553] And dropped him again, you know.

[1554] And, yeah.

[1555] I mean, there's moments.

[1556] Is it fighting an interesting thing?

[1557] Once you lose your mojo, man, it's amazing.

[1558] Isn't it amazing Roy Jones overnight went from, like, still doing amazing things and then he lost and he lost again then he lost it can go it's like once you stop believing in yourself as an athlete you believe it is a lot to do with you believing you're indestructible once you see that chink in your own armor man getting that getting that energy back up to do it again must be really really hard yeah I guarantee and there's a lot other factors involved in Roy too because he went up to heavyweight and then really had to dehydrate himself and weakened himself very badly getting back down the light heavyweight again And then he got knocked out I mean he fought Glenn Johnson right No Glenn Johnson knocked him out after God damn it I can't believe Tarver yes Antonio Tarver Tarver knocked him out Tarver was the first guy to stop him And he did it in a fight where it was a rematch Of a fight that they had that was very close Yeah and then Roy went up to heavyweight He boxed John Ruiz and beat him for the title Then came down to light heavyweight And in losing that 25 pounds He really dehydrated the shit out of himself He looked terrible He looked like he had starved He lost all of his like His like hardness to his muscles He looked terrible Yeah Like it was a really ugly weight cut And he might have been done some shit To get up to heavyweight too That's possible And then you get off that shit Your hormone levels crash That's a speculation But the bottom line was Tarver knocked him out And when Tarver connected And Carver's a big puncher And we connected and knocked him out Roy was never the same Then the Glenn Johnson fight was scary That's it never the same It's one day it just happens Mike Tyson was never the same, you know, Lennox Lewis.

[1559] He was never the same necessarily after jail, but he was still pretty ferocious after jail.

[1560] Well, he, Tyson went to jail after he lost the title.

[1561] Tyson lost and then went to jail and came back was still fucking ferocious.

[1562] The difference in like what happened with Roy is that Roy fought again, like within a certain amount of time, it got knocked out really bad.

[1563] And when you get knocked out by a guy, when you get your brain scrambled, like, it takes a long time for, it's like, Freddie Roach is a genius.

[1564] And one of the things that he did brilliantly with Manny Pachial is after Pachial got knocked out, he told him, like, you're not going to fight for a year.

[1565] He's like, take your head out of this.

[1566] Like, there's no more, we're going to, that was a bad knockout.

[1567] And Freddie is a guy who suffers from trauma -related Parkinson's himself.

[1568] He's got the shakes from his career in boxing.

[1569] And so because of that, he's super, super aware of damage.

[1570] And he's like, look, you could be okay, but you've got to heal up.

[1571] Like, there's no contact for a long time.

[1572] You're going to not fight for a year.

[1573] And then he came back a year later, and he looked great.

[1574] Yeah.

[1575] He looked like Manny Pacquiao.

[1576] And it's, I think, that rest time is, like, super important, that recuperation time.

[1577] It's very important when a guy gets knocked out.

[1578] And so we saw Roy get beat by that guy, or get beat by Tarver, and then beat again by Johnson in a really scary way.

[1579] Yeah.

[1580] Yeah, that's when he went through the ropes.

[1581] Well, he went down and banged his head off the ground.

[1582] Yeah.

[1583] And he was stiff.

[1584] At the end of the fight, like, he was, like, stiff in this weird.

[1585] scary way and it didn't look like the kind of punch that would do that to you like it didn't look like the kind of punch that would really put you in a catatonic state like that was scary shit man it was also scary because Roy Jones you know he used to be invincible yeah that's what I mean watching that happen to people is very you know watching like you know Michael Jordan number 45 come back on the Washington Wizards you know you're like well it's like watching Michael Jordan play baseball yeah That was the first thing He's human Yeah that was definitely the first thing But I mean But to come back Because he came back And then was pretty great again But then by the time He came back on the Wizards That one time It was like Why even like You never wanted to believe It wouldn't be good anymore I never saw that I never saw him He'd come back That was tough to watch I had that with a Being from Philly Iverson When he came back For like Did like 16 games Before he left again Doesn't Iverson have some weird Situation where like When he gets to be 50 He gets like some giant Chunk of money Apparently yeah With a Reebok some kind of like they're like set aside trust or something weird but he's broke now right that's what they say they said he was begging for money well actually it turned out it was bullshit right wasn't that a bullshit story he's not begging for and they just retired his number he looks fine you know like somebody somebody was somebody was saying that he was outside of a mall asking for money but then I think that turned out to be like a bullshit rumor that someone started yeah that's absolutely I heard Marilyn Manson lives above a fucking liquor store here in LA he might he might do that just to be a fucking crazy person.

[1586] Marilyn Manson is a real deal, dude.

[1587] Talk to Stan, do you know Stanhope?

[1588] No, he's, but Malamance is my favorite rock star of all time.

[1589] Do you know Stanhope?

[1590] Yeah, yeah.

[1591] Do you need to talk to Stanhope about Manson?

[1592] They hung out?

[1593] Oh, good lordy.

[1594] Really?

[1595] Oh, I don't want to say anything on the air.

[1596] It's not my place.

[1597] But go, uh, ask.

[1598] He's, he's not playing games.

[1599] Sounds like an absinth story.

[1600] Nope, it involves a lot of different things.

[1601] You need to hear it all from Stan Hope.

[1602] I will.

[1603] I will look into that.

[1604] Or Melan Manson.

[1605] Or talk to Tate Fletcher.

[1606] just hung out with him too.

[1607] I never met Marilyn Manson because it's the same reason every time I see Dice I never really talked to him because I'm like, if this guy's a douchebag to me, it's going to just destroy my thing.

[1608] Dice would be cool to you.

[1609] If you're a comic, yeah, you'll be cool.

[1610] I wrote him on Bobby Kelly's podcast.

[1611] They made me read it.

[1612] I wrote him, I got stoned one night and just, this is this should have happened 15 years ago, not a year and a half ago.

[1613] I wrote him some Facebooky love letter and the return thing was like this is actually Dice's assistant.

[1614] He doesn't really check his own birthday.

[1615] I was like, I was like, yes.

[1616] Oh, I gave him references to who to ask about me, that I'm legit.

[1617] Oh, no. How long had you been doing comedy when you did that?

[1618] 14 years.

[1619] It was a year and a half ago, as I'm saying.

[1620] I got stoned and I was like, you know what it was?

[1621] I got stoned and I was listening to Dice Man Cometh.

[1622] And Dice Man Cometh, look, as a professional adult comic now doing it many years, like, I see the holes in every.

[1623] one's game all the way you know i mean like i don't there's no pedestal that i have mom except for the fact that dice when i was younger loved him was my favorite thing in the world was part of the reason i would be funny like i would go to school and recite dice lines and it was also a bonding thing that me and my step pop my step pop started dating my mom and staying over and everything like that like he would let me watch dice like he brought that into my life that was like our bonding thing that we both just love dice so now when i see him just one of those guys just like you that I've just somehow, we haven't crossed paths, and I've seen him once in a while.

[1624] I'm going to go talk to him, and I just don't.

[1625] Well, if I'm ever around him and you're around him, I'll introduce you.

[1626] He's great.

[1627] He's fun.

[1628] He's been on the podcast a bunch of times.

[1629] He's been great on the podcast, yeah.

[1630] I hung out with him, and Norton and Anthony, and God, it was a bunch of us, and Brian, and who else was with us?

[1631] Was Bobby Kelly?

[1632] No, it wasn't Bobby Kelly.

[1633] It was Bobby Kelly?

[1634] Yeah, Bobby Kelly was there, too.

[1635] Yeah, and we all saw him.

[1636] We went to his show in Vegas at the Riviera.

[1637] Nice.

[1638] Which is the classic, the classic venue.

[1639] It's the only place I've ever played.

[1640] Hasn't changed since the 1970.

[1641] I mean, they haven't done a goddamn thing.

[1642] They've washed the floor, that's it.

[1643] He did the comedy club?

[1644] Yeah, upstairs.

[1645] Right across from the dancing girls show.

[1646] No, he was at the above thing, the theater.

[1647] They used to have the Frank Marino drag show, the drag queen show.

[1648] Did you ever see that?

[1649] No. Oh, it was great.

[1650] He's like, the lady is a queen, I think, like, he has like a book out about, you know, being a cross -dresser.

[1651] He used to do a whole show where he would, like, cross -dress this guy.

[1652] And he's like a famous cross -dresser for Vegas.

[1653] Like one of those guys where, like, you really didn't see him or hear about him anywhere else.

[1654] But if you're in Vegas, like Frank Marino, you'd see his name on these cabs, like the little triangle that sits on top of the cab.

[1655] You know what I'm talking about?

[1656] They're the little billboard things that they have that they ran out.

[1657] And so Dice had that room.

[1658] It was like the upstairs room.

[1659] It's a larger room.

[1660] And we went to see it.

[1661] We're howling like little school children.

[1662] And then after it was over, we were hanging out backstage.

[1663] And I was like, holy shit.

[1664] backstage with dice like i was thinking about like being a kid and listening to his it was a cassette yeah he was tapes dice rules yeah it was just dice i think the first one was just dice yeah you know and i was listening to it this girl i was dating we were crying laughing we thought it was so funny because back then it was like so shocking what he was saying anytime someone dismisses dice i always go uh he goes he's having a hard time making friends so i go to see the psychotherapists and i'm like hey doc i'm having a hard time making friend you fucking cock sucker i'm like if you tell me that's not funny and you just don't know what funny is that's funny well he you know if you know his story that that dice part was a character yep oh yeah no i know i mean just from being a fan but i heard him on your thing too tell the whole story and everything but it's weird that it's weird that he acknowledges it being a character and still in a weird way chooses to live as the character he likes it he likes being that guy he likes wearing wrestling i'm sort of okay oh joey buttafuco sweatshirts and shit just the cut weightlifting gloves oh he's gonna do flash dance the flash dance shirts he used to wear the gold's gym jacket everywhere it's great the way he came out on that uh the one he did in the round the special yeah was what it was just the band the headband with the big feather like staying alive hair well you ever hear him talk about how he tried to move back to Brooklyn too uh uh oh it's hilarious yeah you just tried to move back with those animals they're like like after he became the dice man I'm gonna go back to the neighborhood gotta get back to fucking Beverly Hills put up a fence and hide behind it he can't it's the same hanging around with those people it's an interesting I'd be curious to find out if Larry the cable guy like he's like hey hey babe I gotta run to the hardware store whatever you know I'm sure doesn't do that but whatever I have to go out for if he has to go throw on like a sleeveless flannel shirt if he can go back I mean he's like a tucked in shirt guy well he that is a complete in total character.

[1665] Yeah, Dan Whitney, but does he, I mean, does he almost committed to living his life now as Larry the cable?

[1666] I mean, he sort of has to.

[1667] I mean, if he ever went out as Dan Whitney or did an interview, like on the view, he's one of the few real characters in stand -up, whereas like if he went on the view, I don't know why I keep saying the view, but if he went on the Jimmy Fallon show, the Tonight Show, and he went on as Dan Whitney, it would probably blow his whole fucking thing.

[1668] Well, isn't that what happened?

[1669] You can almost pinpoint the change in Dice's career trajectory was when he cried on Arsenio Hall.

[1670] He humanized himself too much, which some people probably thought was a cool thing, but when he cried about, like you know, Dice Man's supposed to come out and be, you know, they were taking his movie out of the theater.

[1671] That was his beef.

[1672] And he got teary -eyed.

[1673] But if before he, you know, Dice is supposed to come out and be like, fuck you.

[1674] Don't see my movie, you twats.

[1675] Wow.

[1676] But he cried on Ressennial Hall and it was real.

[1677] It was a genuine moment and that's just, you know, that's not who Dice is.

[1678] Well, I think he was under some insane pressure like if you don't remember what it was like back then like there were so many people that were angry to me mean he had like some hateful comedy yeah like the things that he was making fun like the way he was making fun of it it's like if you go back and listen to like Eddie Murphy raw if you go back and see some of the gay stuff like it was like really aggressively anti -gay like I was the comic strip in New York I've told us on so many radio shows but does make me laugh that how things have changed and no one comes down on Eddie Murphy ever for this stuff but they have two of his gold albums on the wall and the first one track four it's just called faggots and then track one on the next album is cause uh it says faggots and in parentheses says revisited we didn't cover it all in the first go around well it's in that way like social justice warriors as it were are kind of important because that's the only reason why a lot of this change has taken places because of how outraged people got like if people just kept quiet about it back then so in a way like a lot of the the over like taking it too far it like sort of bounces back and has a healthy middle you know what I mean like in some ways like there's always going to be like the far left but in a lot of ways the far left tempers the far right it's like because like the standard it changes it moves back and forth like if you if you if you let people go and, you know, be as racist and as homophobic and as hatefuls they want and don't do anything about it, they kind of never realize that where they're doing as shitty.

[1679] But because of the blowback, like, dice, all that crying and everything they did, that's probably a direct result of blowback.

[1680] Like, he's probably like, he was constantly experiencing people that were protesting.

[1681] Remember, he got kicked off of MTV for life?

[1682] For life.

[1683] And I remember Kurt Loder saying about how unfunny it was and this is now, like, unfunny to who?

[1684] to you?

[1685] Okay, I guarantee you if he did that late night at the comedy story would fucking crush.

[1686] Oh, yeah.

[1687] So, like, are you recognizing this as a character?

[1688] Or do you think this is a real person who's saying these real things?

[1689] And do you don't think there's any comedy in this play that he's putting on, which is essentially he's pretending to be this awful guy.

[1690] Oh, you cock sucker!

[1691] Like, they're saying he's going to fuck a guy's chick in front of him and stuff.

[1692] I mean, it's obvious that he doesn't really mean.

[1693] I mean, he's like, five minutes left.

[1694] That's what he's doing.

[1695] There's some craziness to it.

[1696] It's a character.

[1697] I mean, is there a difference between that character and the bad guy character in a movie where the guy is going to run around killing people or raping people or is there a difference?

[1698] I mean, it is just fiction.

[1699] Like, how come we don't hold the actor responsible because the actor didn't write it?

[1700] If he wrote it and he wanted to be the bad guy, would be, we'd be upset at him?

[1701] No, it's like for the comedian.

[1702] For that kind of comedy, but I mean, but there's also, you don't have to do a character to say, I feel like I feel like the entire disclaimer of everything goes to like I said earlier it's like there's a laughing microphone behind you on a wall like we're not you know I mean I'm not addressing yeah you know the state of the end the state of the union you know I mean like yeah I'm up here telling it's like it's clearly that was all my thing about uh with the tosh the lady getting so mad it's like do you believe for one split second that Daniel tosh is pro rape and has slipped through the cracks to find himself massive television success like do you believe that that doesn't happen no doesn't happen that would have reared its head before it's not what they're saying what they're saying is they found a green light they found a green light to be outraged and you know also some people way more sensitive than others you know being called out in front of all those people having everybody laugh at what he said to her probably sucked for her sure she decided that she was for whatever reason you know she was justified in proving her point or making her point or expressing herself which you know you should be allowed to express yourself but the idea that he's supposed to apologize for that.

[1703] Like, if you look at what it was on paper, and then they hear comics agreeing with them, that was just disappointing.

[1704] But your outrage is supposed to come at, like, oppression, injustice, whatever.

[1705] It's not, you're not supposed to, like, rage against the art. You know what I mean?

[1706] Like...

[1707] In a clear...

[1708] The creatives?

[1709] Fucking around situation where someone's just fucking around.

[1710] It's clear means ad -libbing.

[1711] This is not a thought -out piece, you know, where he's advocating a woman, a random woman getting raped for no reason other than...

[1712] But it's also not a clan rally, is what I'm saying.

[1713] It's like, they're in an environment of...

[1714] if this is what it is.

[1715] Well, you know what, man, some people would be really happy if everybody was exactly like them.

[1716] If everybody had the same sensibilities, sensitivities, everybody had the same ideas about what's important to talk about, what you can't talk about, what's taboo, what's okay.

[1717] You know, there's plenty of people out there that agree and disagree and they're fucking going at it back and forth.

[1718] That's what's fascinating.

[1719] That's what's fascinating about trying to find out where's the middle ground.

[1720] Like, how much of it is me being crazy?

[1721] How much of it is me just tapping into one mindset with whatever thing you support or disagree with anything whether it's the style of comedy that people do or the kind of music that people are into some fucking kid got arrested because he took some lyrics to a song and put it up put the lyrics up as a tweet and they arrested him because it was like some fucking crazy some song about school shootings oh i was going to say it wasn't for like the actual copyright of the song you're saying no no no no he they came they arrested him because he tweeted some in the band i for forget what the show's almost over i forget what the band's name was that uh came to his defense but they're like this is the lyrics to our song it's like an anti school shooting song you know but it's like talking about like where this all comes from the rate i don't know if it's an anti school shooting song but it's just a song and it's coming from like the rage of like where where's this guy feeling what is this guy doing and he this guy tweeted this these lyrics like if you tweet something from a movie about like kill them all that god sort about like does that mean i'm gonna go out and kill people?

[1722] I mean, Gus Van Sant made a whole, basically a Columbine movie.

[1723] Yeah, right?

[1724] You know, it's funny.

[1725] Remember what he did in that movie, though?

[1726] It said what he added in, for some reason, was before they went to do the murder, they just got in the shower together and made out.

[1727] What movie was that?

[1728] He just added that in there, before they went to go shoot, it was all the same thing, like filming themselves and planning the whole thing for weeks and getting the guns together, and then right before school that morning, they just hopped in the shower together and started making out.

[1729] The two dudes?

[1730] Yeah.

[1731] Nothing about that ever in the real story.

[1732] That was how he made it like, you know, oh, no, this isn't the Columbine story.

[1733] These kids were making out in a shower first.

[1734] Wow, that's pretty clever of them.

[1735] There is.

[1736] And on that note, Big J. O 'Cerson, thank you very much, brother.

[1737] There's a lot of fun.

[1738] We do this more often.

[1739] Thank you so much.

[1740] I think we could do like 100 of these.

[1741] Yeah, well, you know what I'm saying?

[1742] I come out, dude, I'll be...

[1743] Anytime.

[1744] How often are you out here?

[1745] I'm trying to come out more.

[1746] I'm trying to come out like three times a year at least.

[1747] Beautiful.

[1748] And you're on Ari Shafir's storyteller show that's online, and you're doing the other one tonight.

[1749] I'm doing the other one for TV tonight.

[1750] So I think there's probably some tickets available.

[1751] Ari was upset that they weren't moving quick enough.

[1752] People just didn't know about it, but they're available for free.

[1753] Contact Ari Shafir on Twitter, and he will respond to you and get you tickets for free.

[1754] Yeah, definitely.

[1755] Big J. O 'Kerson on Twitter.

[1756] What's your website?

[1757] Big J. Comedy.

[1758] Big J. Comedy, ladies and gentlemen.

[1759] Thank you, brother.

[1760] Dude, thanks for having you.

[1761] Fun times.

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