Sofia Coppola

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[7] Just quickly, I want to say thanks to all the people that have been so unbelievably lovely to us in response to Day 7th.

[8] I hope you felt loved and supported and that your fears were abated.

[9] My fears were the opposite of what the result was.

[10] Good.

[11] But yeah, but yeah, struggling with.

[12] some fraudulent feelings of receiving love based on a fuck up.

[13] But at any rate, I am really, really grateful.

[14] And there's so many beautiful, nice people.

[15] So many.

[16] Yeah.

[17] One of those nice people is Sophia Coppola.

[18] That's right.

[19] Oh, I got to add one more thing.

[20] I was not high when I shaved my head.

[21] That was day two.

[22] Our people ask you that.

[23] Yeah, a lot of people said, I could see you are high as a kite.

[24] I actually was not.

[25] I was having a metamorphosis, uh, transatlantic I wanted to make a physical statement that I'm shedding something.

[26] Okay, sorry, Sophia Coppola.

[27] Sophia Coppola is an Academy Award and Golden Globe Award winning screenwriter, director, producer, and actress.

[28] Her credits include Lost in Translation, one of my top ten movies of all time, Marie Antoinette, the Virgin Suicides, the Bling Ring somewhere, and she has a new movie that she's written, produced, and directed called On the Rocks with Rashida Jones and the incomparable Bill Murray.

[29] Your favorite.

[30] It comes out October 2nd, followed by digital streaming on October 23rd on Apple TV Plus.

[31] I am going to watch it, and so should you.

[32] Enjoy Sophia Coppola.

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[36] It's exciting to see what you look like, Monica, and to see you guys.

[37] Wait, have you heard the program?

[38] Yes.

[39] One of my closest friends, Hannah, is obsessed with your show.

[40] And it's like, you have to be on an armchair expert.

[41] And she's the one that told me about it.

[42] I've listened to a few.

[43] That's so flattering.

[44] And you've gotten her through quarantine, and she loves you so much.

[45] Oh, my God.

[46] I was like, I have to be on Dax's show.

[47] And then they're like, you're going to be on it.

[48] I was like, oh, no, no, I have to really do it.

[49] We've accidentally, I think, kind of carved out a space where it could elicit the same fear that people used to have over doing like Barbara Walters where it's like, oh, fuck, she's going to make me cry.

[50] I know it.

[51] That's what she does.

[52] Yeah, Rashida said, oh, he, yeah, he likes to get psychological.

[53] Have you ever heard this term Bader Meinhauf frequency illusion?

[54] Have you ever heard that term?

[55] Yes, but I don't know what that is.

[56] In short, it's like you buy a Volkswagen bug.

[57] And then you're driving around L .A. and all of a sudden you start noticing they're everywhere and you're like oh my god i thought i was buying this unique car and everyone drives a green Volkswagen bug and that's an illusion right it was always the same amount of bugs we're obsessed with it we always pointed out so we had literally just ordered dominoes and then we like put the computer down and then we literally read that your name at one point was domino and we're like oh my god beta mine off yeah we got very excited you gave us a really exciting baiter mine off that was so funny it's all road sweet back oh my god you really do your research.

[58] I was talking to Rob saying, God, it's so much work to have to research everyone as in depth as it seems like you guys do.

[59] It's not terrible.

[60] No. We have experts on every Thursday and they're like scientists.

[61] Oh, yeah.

[62] I loved Wendy Mogul I learned about from your show.

[63] We love her.

[64] Yeah, and then I got her book and then I got to do a Zoom with her.

[65] The good thing about quarantine is people are accessible and you can talk to experts.

[66] So it was really cool.

[67] She was like Yoda.

[68] Oh, yeah.

[69] She'll totally jujitsu you.

[70] So you come at her like, you got it all figured out.

[71] Yes, and then look at this.

[72] You're on your back and you are completely wrong.

[73] Now you see it.

[74] Lover, lover, lover.

[75] Where are you at, if you don't mind my asking?

[76] Oh, I'm in Napa Valley where I grew up in Northern California.

[77] Oh, I was excited to learn that you lived in Paris for a bit.

[78] How long did you live there?

[79] Yeah, I lived there for a few years after I did Marie Antoinette.

[80] I had my first daughter there and took the first couple years there.

[81] Yeah, and I don't even know, 2005 for a couple of years.

[82] And do you speak French?

[83] No, sadly.

[84] I tried to learn and then I just gave up.

[85] But after you spent enough time there you start to understand it, but I'm shy about speaking.

[86] Yeah.

[87] But my husband is French.

[88] Oh, so does he ever communicate with your children?

[89] And you're like, oh, cool, guys, I'd love to know what's going on.

[90] I can kind of follow it.

[91] But no, I'm just so proud that they understand French that I'm glad.

[92] And I have two daughters, so I hope that they can have like a secret language against me, like motivate them to speak French.

[93] I couldn't agree with you more.

[94] We have two daughters as well.

[95] And I've been telling my wife, like, from the second number two arrived, and I'm like, can't wait till they start plotting against us.

[96] Like, I'm almost like listening at their door to when they're going to start plotting against us.

[97] And it's been happening for about a year.

[98] And it makes me so happy.

[99] Oh, it's really cute.

[100] And they do.

[101] Yes.

[102] You had siblings growing up?

[103] Yeah, I have a brother, Roman, and we work together.

[104] And yeah, we're really close.

[105] I had that bond with my brother against everyone else in the world.

[106] And it's like the most safe feeling ever.

[107] I know.

[108] Yeah, it's the best.

[109] Yeah, we always went on location with my parents.

[110] So I think we're extra close because we didn't always have.

[111] have like the neighborhood kids and stuff.

[112] Okay.

[113] So before I started asking you a bunch of questions, okay.

[114] I'd like to know what your appetite is for them because I never want to be asking somebody about something they hate talking about.

[115] So of course I have deep curiosity about your childhood.

[116] I just introduced Monica about six months ago to hearts of darkness.

[117] Yeah.

[118] Wow.

[119] Oh, yeah.

[120] What a documentary.

[121] It's a great.

[122] It's insane.

[123] Yeah, no, I don't mind talking about any of that.

[124] I'm so glad that my mom filmed that I think it's such a great document.

[125] of just creativity.

[126] And, you know, I love that we have that.

[127] And I have memories.

[128] I was, they're from four to six.

[129] So I definitely have memories.

[130] I think I was only one having fun.

[131] Yeah.

[132] In the Philippines.

[133] I was one time directing a movie with a ton of explosions.

[134] And so my daughter loves explosions.

[135] So she'd show up every day we had tons of explosions.

[136] And I just remember, like, as a three -year -old, I'd hear in the other room yell, fire in the hole.

[137] And I was like, oh, my God, this is so great.

[138] Yes, I have memories like that from the Dolphine.

[139] And then the thing I thought was particularly cool or inspirational, to hear your father who is without question in the pantheon of the very best directors to ever live, hear him say repeatedly, I don't know what the fuck I'm making.

[140] I'm so scared.

[141] I don't know what I'm doing is so helpful.

[142] I know.

[143] I love that about it.

[144] And I think when you make anything, it's always scary to show it.

[145] anybody that's like, I nailed it.

[146] I don't trust them.

[147] So I think all creative people are full of self -doubt.

[148] And it's comforting to hear from someone that's so brilliant and revered that even he has those doubts.

[149] And I remember even him telling me that the first day on set, he always feels like he doesn't know what he's doing and people are going to look at him.

[150] Like, does he know what he's doing?

[151] And like, it's so comforting and reassuring to me to know that even he has those insecurities.

[152] So when I go on set, like this is normal, that everybody feels that way.

[153] And it helps a lot to know that.

[154] Yeah, because the fear level for me is like, it's a very complicated.

[155] job, right?

[156] And until you've done it, you don't really, I think even as an actor, you're not really getting what's going on, but you have all these different roles in the process, be them creative and everything else.

[157] But at the end of the day, it is a dictatorship.

[158] And you are the military general, and you mustn't instill confidence in these people so they don't feel like they're wasting their time.

[159] So you're juggling that with also wanting to be vulnerable and ask for help and admit you're scared and all those things.

[160] So it's a very tricky place to be able to do that.

[161] And I think it shows insane confidence to be vulnerable in the moment you're supposed to be like total conviction about everything.

[162] Yeah, and I think hopefully you're prepared and you go into it knowing what you're doing, but I love the collaborative part of it that you get to ask your art director, I don't know, what do you think?

[163] And then really think about it and there's all these people there working with you, you're not alone.

[164] But as long as you go into it with a plan in mind, I think you figured out as you go.

[165] Yeah.

[166] And again, I think the more confident you are, the easier it is for you to open up the discussion where you're like, well, ultimately I will make this decision.

[167] So I don't need to be terrified that I'm going to lose my autonomy by taking on this information.

[168] Yeah.

[169] You know, I think if you're confident enough, you're open to other people's ideas and then it's fun and collaborative.

[170] Yeah.

[171] Now, as a filmmaker, did you just absorb, like I've already noticed, well, I have many questions.

[172] I'm going to have some selfish ones about how not to fuck up my daughters.

[173] But that, that's forthcoming.

[174] I'll try.

[175] But you must have been absorbing.

[176] I think even like our five and seven -year -olds, it's like the amount of lexicon they know about movie making is already way more than I knew at 20 years old, just because how could they not have picked that up?

[177] They're on sets all the time and everything.

[178] So do you think you had a pretty good awareness of the process, or did you enter it with fear and confusion and all those things?

[179] We spent our whole childhood on set.

[180] It was always fun to go to set.

[181] And my dad always liked having the kids there and everyone who worked with family.

[182] So I felt always comfortable on set.

[183] And I spent a lot of time and later reading the Malcolm Gladwell about 10 ,000 hours.

[184] I was like, oh, yeah, I got my 10 ,000 hours.

[185] Like, I think that's so true and so important.

[186] And I didn't think I wanted to be a filmmaker.

[187] I wanted to do something different from my family, of course.

[188] And then I, in my 20s, I was trying different things.

[189] And I did a short film.

[190] And I was like, oh, wow, I just know how to do everything.

[191] And it felt really natural and comfortable.

[192] And so I realized that I was learning my whole life.

[193] And then it made sense when I tried to do it in a kind of mysterious way.

[194] Yeah.

[195] And so I know you were in a. fashion.

[196] I know that you've had all these different passions and they've come together beautifully in the stuff you've done.

[197] But I do wonder if you could even put a percentage on it.

[198] Like how much of it was like general interest and how much of it was like, I got to get in a completely different lane because I just, I have to.

[199] Well, as a little kid, I always really loved fashion.

[200] It's just something I was into.

[201] And at the time, it wasn't in our culture the way it is now.

[202] So it's sort of unusual.

[203] And so my parents really encouraged it.

[204] And I did an internship at Chanel when I was a teenager because my parents had a friend that worked with them.

[205] And they just really encouraged that.

[206] So that was something I always was really into.

[207] But I could never kind of lay on my plane on one thing because I liked so many different things.

[208] I liked photography and I liked music.

[209] And so when I did my short film, I felt like, oh, wow, this is something where it combines all the things I'm into.

[210] Because I never had the patience to become an expert on one thing.

[211] I was always annoyed that I was kind of a dilettante.

[212] Like, I couldn't be great at one thing.

[213] But I had these interests.

[214] So I felt like when I did film that you get to work with all the experts, I get to work with a cinematographer.

[215] and I get to work with musicians and all the things I enjoy, but I don't know enough to do just that.

[216] So it kind of all came together in a way that I could express my ideas.

[217] Yeah, were you not a great finisher for a while?

[218] Like, were you a good starter of things and not a great finisher of things early on?

[219] If I say I'm going to do something, I have to do it.

[220] I hate when people say they're doing things, then don't do it.

[221] So if I say I'm going to do it, I finish it.

[222] Yeah.

[223] My dad gave me a really strong work ethic.

[224] He's a really hard worker.

[225] It probably came from his immigrant family.

[226] One of my favorite parts of hearts of darkness is the movies put on hold, right?

[227] There was a tsunami or whatever and they shut down things.

[228] I mean, it's as bad as it gets, I'm sure, for your father and your mother at that point, pressure wise, right?

[229] Like there's going to be more money needed and all this stuff.

[230] And then we cut to this insane party at your family home that looks like something out of a Fitzgerald novel where it's like everyone's dressed sexy and you're at a vineyard.

[231] And of course I already know the answer to this, which is just like your child.

[232] childhood's your childhood and whatever it is is like baseline normal.

[233] But did you have any awareness at all when you were a child in that environment going like, this is spectacular or this is abnormal or this is, you know, oh, there's Jack Nicholson.

[234] Were you aware of any of that?

[235] I mean, I guess that was just normal to us.

[236] But I remember now looking back that it was very kind of magical and like Bill Graham jumped out of the plane and my dad's 40th birthday in that kind of setting you're describing.

[237] My dad always made things really, really fun.

[238] And he had like a camp out party first 40th birthday where like hundreds of his friends were all camping.

[239] So I just think he did everything in a really big way, but it just seemed really fun and magical.

[240] And we went in a helicopter and landed in the parking lot at Disneyland.

[241] And the security came out and be like, you can't land a helicopter here.

[242] And like, so that's just like how he did things.

[243] And so to me, I grew up with that being normal and fun.

[244] You cannot land a helicopter in the parking lot.

[245] I'm very sorry to inform you.

[246] Oh, that's really great.

[247] Okay.

[248] Now, when did you start?

[249] thinking of yourself identity -wise as like, I'm a filmmaker.

[250] This is what I'm going to do.

[251] In my 20s, I went to Cal Arts.

[252] I wanted to be a painter.

[253] I knew I wanted to be an artist of some sort, and I started a little t -shirt company with friends.

[254] I remember someone in their 60s telling me that they never liked what their career was, and I thought, oh, I don't want to be like that.

[255] I want to try everything and make sure I do what I love.

[256] So I was trying everything.

[257] And then I made the short film, and then when I read the book of the Virgin Suicides, I loved the book so much, and I heard someone was making a movie, and I was like, I hope they don't ruin this book.

[258] And I thought, I'd like to learn how to adapt a book into a screenplay, so I'll just try making a few chapters and see how it goes.

[259] And then I started doing that just as an experiment.

[260] And then I couldn't stop and I wrote a whole script.

[261] And I was so attached to it.

[262] I had met the producers and I said, if anything falls through with the director, will you consider mine?

[263] And somehow they took a chance on me when it didn't.

[264] But it was really out of wanting to protect that book.

[265] And I heard a guy was doing it and making it really dark and violent.

[266] I'm like, no, it shouldn't be like that.

[267] It should be like this.

[268] It was really out of the love of that book that I wanted to make it into a film.

[269] And then I guess I was hooked and got into it.

[270] But I wasn't planning really on being a director.

[271] And I was fighting it because it's so obvious in my family.

[272] I wanted to do something different.

[273] Yeah.

[274] But again, it is a very interesting dynamic.

[275] Most people, conventionally in the U .S., the pattern has been, most children exceed whatever the parents did.

[276] So this is like this kind of expected, oh, good, they did this, and I'm going to have a little leg up, and I'm going to go to college.

[277] They didn't.

[278] This is going to happen.

[279] Again, you know, when your father directs a movie that's tied is the best, movie ever made in the history, it's every single person agrees.

[280] It's like, you know, for you to step above that would be you got to, you got to beat Citizen Kane somehow.

[281] And I'm so glad that you never felt the brunt of that, I guess, because some of your movies are some of my favorite I've ever seen.

[282] And I'm glad that you didn't feel oppressed by that or competitive.

[283] No, I mean, I would never think that I could do anything in the realm of what he does.

[284] But I thought a little freedom because usually children of celebrities or revered people, a lot of times they're kind of losers are fucked up.

[285] And so I felt like there's a low bar for like the kids of people, you know, in a way I sort of felt free.

[286] Like, that's true.

[287] If you stay out of rehab like for more than two years straight, you're peeling.

[288] Yeah, pretty good.

[289] But it's not the kid's fault.

[290] I think about my own children.

[291] I'm like, okay, well, I grew up on a dirt road in Michigan.

[292] And so everything was an upgrade in my mind.

[293] It was like, oh, if I lived in Florida, it'd be warm all year.

[294] That's exciting.

[295] ocean there.

[296] Oh, if I went to New York City, that's that.

[297] And then the ultimate would be California.

[298] And then I came here and I'm here.

[299] And then my children have a swimming pool in their backyard.

[300] Well, we didn't have that.

[301] In fact, that's why you worked to get one.

[302] So I'm kind of like, where the fuck are my kids even going to want to move?

[303] They're already here.

[304] What thing do they want?

[305] You know, it is a very different way of parenting than, say, my mother had to deal with.

[306] Yeah, I never thought about like trying to top your upbringing because I guess that would just be too daunting.

[307] Yeah.

[308] I felt like living in Paris.

[309] I mean, I knew about it because my family traveled a lot and we spent time there, but I felt like something different and getting away from my upbringing home and living in different country and stuff.

[310] And also like about doing film, I never thought I could dare to do.

[311] I mean, you see Apocalypse now.

[312] I would never dare to ever try to do anything in his realm, but because I was doing my own thing and I felt like there weren't a lot of movies talking about teenage girls or a female point of view.

[313] And I felt like, oh, that's something that I'm not seeing out there in a way that I relate to.

[314] So I felt like, I'm making this, which is my thing.

[315] Yeah.

[316] It didn't have to be bigger, but it felt different enough.

[317] I wouldn't try to make, like, gangster movies, you know.

[318] Yeah.

[319] Well, don't rule it out.

[320] There could be a female gangster story that pops up that might be intriguing.

[321] Back to Paris for one second, because I have this thought when I'm there.

[322] I've not been a bunch of times to Paris, maybe five times, but a friend of mine has an apartment there.

[323] And right before we had our first child, I asked my wife, like, can I just have a week, like last time on Earth where I don't have a kid and blah, blah, and I'm going to go see my buddy.

[324] Yeah, totally.

[325] So I went, and, you know, it was winter and we had a snowball fight in front of the cafe to Flora.

[326] and I was like, oh, I'm living in a movie, right?

[327] Yeah.

[328] I even had the thought like, it'd be a shame if I moved here and that this place got filed into white noise, the way the rest of wherever you live gets filed into white noise.

[329] Like, is there a risk in moving there where it's no longer Paris?

[330] No, I never felt like that.

[331] You know, you walk over a bridge and you're like, I can't fully Paris.

[332] And I have a friend who's American that's lived there for like 20 years and he's still, like it's so beautiful out today.

[333] I walk through Paris.

[334] I can't imagine that happening.

[335] And we have, our place is around the corner from Cafe Floor.

[336] I've been there a million times, but every time it's like, we're at Cafe Floor and you're looking at Parisians.

[337] I'd never get jaded of it.

[338] I think it's just such a magical place.

[339] Oh, on that trip, I was seen Bradley Cooper.

[340] He goes, hey, I got to do this talk show appearance.

[341] Do you want to come with me?

[342] I'll tag along.

[343] Let's go do that.

[344] And we get there, and I'm expecting like a translator.

[345] And maybe it's like a Charlie Rose situation where it's going to be a serious thing.

[346] Oh, no, this is a fucking late night comedy show.

[347] And Cooper starts out.

[348] And he's got that.

[349] And people are laughing.

[350] And I'm like, not only does he.

[351] speak it?

[352] He's making jokes in their landing.

[353] I was like watching him fly.

[354] I was like, I didn't know you could fly.

[355] How does he speak French so well?

[356] Does he have a French parent?

[357] No, he got interested at it in high school and he is a savant that can learn things like I was just saying him the other day.

[358] I mean, he never sang.

[359] I've known him for 15 years.

[360] He's never sang.

[361] And then I see Starsmore.

[362] I'm like, oh my God, yeah, sure, you sing.

[363] I said if you flew over my house in an airplane, I'd be like, yeah, I guess I guess he learned that this weekend.

[364] You know, some people.

[365] have that aptitude.

[366] Yeah.

[367] Okay.

[368] Now let's talk about loss in translation because I think that's such an amazing movie.

[369] It's so incredible in so many ways because it's paradigm shattering.

[370] It's not as linear or conventional or there's all these different things I'm sure like a screenwriting professor would have been like, I don't know.

[371] This is your device to get you know, but there's so much magic in that movie.

[372] And I'm just curious because I've acted in enough stuff that sometimes you're in the presence of magic and you can feel it.

[373] And it's so special.

[374] And I just wonder if you were feeling it real time or it was something in retrospect.

[375] Oh, that's a good question.

[376] I remember it was just a magical experience.

[377] We were in Tokyo and Bill Murray showed up.

[378] I didn't even know if he was going to show up, but I wrote it for him.

[379] And I was like, not making this without him because it wouldn't work without him.

[380] And I got the financing all like on this whim that he might show up.

[381] We didn't have a contract or anything.

[382] So when Bill showed up, I was just like, oh my God, like, thank God.

[383] And we just, we shot it in, I don't know, like, 27 days or something like really tight.

[384] And we were shooting all at night because we had to stay out of the way of the hotel.

[385] So we were all kind of delirious.

[386] Yeah.

[387] And I just remember we were all half awake and to be there with Bill and Scarlett, Tokyo was just, so it had like, it felt like the movie that you're kind of like in that neon dream atmosphere.

[388] And had you ever met him prior to working with him?

[389] I met him once.

[390] I met him once before.

[391] I spent like a year trying to track him down.

[392] And then my friend Mitch Glazer, who's a writer, is friends with him.

[393] And I was like, well, you look at my script.

[394] let me know what you think and do you think he would ever be open to it?

[395] And I left messages on his voicemail for like a year.

[396] Well, again, for people who don't know the, um, the mystery of Bill Murray, right?

[397] And again, I'm probably wrong on some of this stuff, but apparently he has a line that you can call that you can only leave a message.

[398] It doesn't really ring him.

[399] And then some people magically get called back and some don't.

[400] Is that how it works?

[401] Yes.

[402] It's not just folklore.

[403] He really was only reachable that way.

[404] And then I was in New York and I got a call from Mitch saying, I'm with Bill right now.

[405] We're at this restaurant come.

[406] He wants to meet you.

[407] You know, And I was like, okay, and I dropped everything and ran over.

[408] And he was wearing a Searsucker suit.

[409] I always remember that.

[410] And in my new movie, I'd make him wear a Searsucking suit.

[411] But I had that moment, I don't know, do you know, in 16 Candles, when Jake Ryan picks her up at the end and she points to her dad, like, that's the guy.

[412] Yeah.

[413] I had that moment with my friend Mitch, like, I'm here next to the bell.

[414] Like, yeah.

[415] And then I said, you know, do you think you would do my movie?

[416] And he said, I might be inclined to.

[417] That's all.

[418] That was the only kind of sort of commitment.

[419] I kept being like, well, calling.

[420] I'm like, are you really going to do it?

[421] And I went to Tokyo and we were like spending money, making a movie and just on the hope that he would show up.

[422] So it was nerve -wracking.

[423] By the way, I hate to bring it back, but it literally sounds like waiting for Marlon Brando to show up.

[424] And like, will he be here?

[425] I didn't ever thought about that.

[426] But I do credit, I feel like I got balls from my dad because he would just make things happen.

[427] He's like, you just got to start.

[428] You just have to do it.

[429] And a few years ago, I was like moping and complaining.

[430] I'm waiting to get approval to get green light from the studio to get our financing for an actor.

[431] And he's like, green light.

[432] I never waited for a green light.

[433] You just start making your movie.

[434] I do believe that is 100 % true because everyone else is incentivized to not step on a landmine and you're incentivized to start working.

[435] So it's like sometimes you just got to start.

[436] Yeah, there is that momentum that you just have to start and hopefully things will follow.

[437] Now, I'm not going to ask you because you won't tell me and it's none of our business, I suppose.

[438] but I am curious if you know what Bill Murray says to Scarlett Johansson in her ear.

[439] I love when people ask him, he says it's between lovers.

[440] It's between the two of them.

[441] I do, but I'm not asking for it.

[442] I just want to know if you know.

[443] I always felt like you can't summarize that in a sentence and that for people to, they knew what you get the gist of kind of what is it.

[444] But I never thought that that would be a big thing.

[445] Oh, it's a huge thing.

[446] Well, I was going to say, it must be so interesting to create a scene that is one of these things.

[447] like what's in the fucking briefcase and pulp fiction?

[448] That's so funny.

[449] But at the time, we were just like, I don't know, we'll figure out the line when we get there.

[450] And like, nothing really.

[451] And we were thinking about the Italians, how they would just count numbers and then figure it out later, you know, when they would dub movies.

[452] So it's funny.

[453] I guess there's a lot of things that could happen out of accident.

[454] There had to be at some level anxiety, too, which is like, is that going to do it?

[455] Is that going to be satisfying to watch him whisper in her ear?

[456] That was an unknown, I'm sure.

[457] It's like you committed to it, which is great.

[458] But it could have gone the other way, right?

[459] Yeah, that's true.

[460] I know.

[461] It was just sort of one of those.

[462] Let's just try that.

[463] Uh -huh.

[464] First of all, do you ever get checks from the park hyatt?

[465] Just like, hey, man, thanks.

[466] Because I have it as a life goal to go there and have a loss in translation experience based solely on your movie.

[467] I just want to live in a few frames of your movie.

[468] So I went there a few years ago with my kids and stuff.

[469] And it was exactly the same.

[470] They've kept it perfectly the same.

[471] But, you know, we're fresh.

[472] They have all the wallpaper and storage and they keep it updated.

[473] But it's a good.

[474] Exactly.

[475] It makes me so happy they kept it exactly the same.

[476] They never redid it.

[477] And they're so nice there.

[478] But they were nice to let us shoot there.

[479] But yeah, they had like tours and stuff.

[480] No, I don't.

[481] I don't get checked for them.

[482] But they take good care of me when I go.

[483] It was really fun to go back and they spoiled us.

[484] Okay.

[485] Now, there's one scene in the movie that I must talk to you about because I think it's the thing that comes up the most often in my life that I do.

[486] And I don't know how often people even understand what I'm doing.

[487] But there is something so pitch perfect about Bill Murray dealing with.

[488] He slept with the woman from downstairs.

[489] stairs.

[490] And he's kind of dealing with the aftermath.

[491] Oh, the redhead.

[492] Yes.

[493] That was the real singer at the hotel.

[494] I've heard that.

[495] But the fact that she was saying, midnight at the oasis, there's something so truthful about that moment.

[496] And I just am curious that there's anything you remember about how that little thing came to be.

[497] That's so funny.

[498] I just thought it would be funny and he would be so busted and that kind of that feeling the next day.

[499] And I didn't want to embarrass the singer, but I just thought it was funny.

[500] Yeah, it's like that she's unattractive.

[501] It's just like, oh, and now I'm I've got, now I've got this attachment to a stranger that has emotional implications that I don't want to deal with.

[502] So it's not even like it was cruel.

[503] Yeah.

[504] And I thought the next day he'd be regretting it and like on top of it.

[505] She's singing.

[506] I forgot about that scene.

[507] I haven't seen that in a while.

[508] I'm so glad you enjoyed that.

[509] But that song.

[510] I don't know.

[511] There isn't a better selection than no same the night at you.

[512] Time to put the camel to bed.

[513] If I will, if someone woman was singing that and I'm thinking like, how quickly can I get this person out of my life.

[514] They're singing that song to me. There's just such a unique embarrassment.

[515] Embarrassment and trauma that it felt so real to me. Oh, that's funny.

[516] I'm glad.

[517] She was a good sport about that.

[518] That must have been fun for her.

[519] I remember they put the folks from the Dresden room.

[520] I don't know if you ever went there in the 90s.

[521] Yeah.

[522] Marty and Elaine.

[523] Yes.

[524] You know, they put them in swingers.

[525] And then they became this thing people would go like observe.

[526] And I just always thought that was so interesting and surely that gal people probably went to see seeing midnight at the oasis i i could okay maria antoinette is um also a movie i just thought was so spectacular in so many ways in fact on that trip i just talked about to paris i had never had a desire to go to versa i'm not interested in that type of thing but you shot there or at least some exteriors and stuff no they let us shoot there they let us shoot in the palace and it was incredible i don't think they had let anyone filmed there before and um they really gave us full access It was so fun to be there, my cousin Jason and Kirsten, all of our crew.

[527] And I remember one day we were shooting in the real Hall of Mirrors, and they had let us keep our equipment in Marie Antoinette's real bedroom around the corner.

[528] So I walked through and it's Maria Trinette's bedroom with all our camera cases.

[529] Yeah, I was like, really?

[530] Yeah, so it was really surreal.

[531] And we shot at, did we did a Cribs episode with Jason walking around the Hall of Mirror.

[532] Do you remember that show Cribs?

[533] Yes, I loved it, but I didn't see that episode.

[534] We did all with Jason around Versaise.

[535] It was fun to be there.

[536] It was kind of overwhelming because I wasn't used to having so many extras and it was so much work for the costumes and everything but it was really fun and to be in the real places was pretty incredible.

[537] Yeah, is that the biggest movie you've directed in its scope?

[538] Yeah, definitely.

[539] And what were the pluses and minuses of that going to that scale?

[540] I love the way it looks and I'm proud of it.

[541] Now, seeing it after so much time, I watched it with my 13 -year -old daughter and the fact that she admitted that she liked it was a big moment for me in my career, but at the time it was just exhausting and overwhelming because I'd never had such a long shoot and so many logistics.

[542] And after that, I was like, I don't want to make movies anymore and my daughter was born and kind of took a break.

[543] Is it because the juggling of the logistics were so exhausting or was it the pressure of having that much riding on you or both?

[544] I think it was just exhausting, coordinating it all, that I was like, I just want to make another movie with two people in a hotel, you know, just focused on acting and it was so much coordinating.

[545] And yeah, it was just a bigger scale, which I'm glad I did.

[546] I enjoyed it, but it was different than just, like focusing on two people's performance.

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[558] What's up guys?

[559] It's your girl Kiki and my podcast is back with a new season and let me tell you it's too good and I'm diving into the brains of entertainment's best and brightest, okay?

[560] Every episode I bring on a friend and have a real conversation and I don't mean just friends.

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[564] Now, I once did a movie set in a prison, and even though I got to leave at night, it was 10 and 12 hours a day in a jail cell.

[565] Oh, wow.

[566] And I couldn't spread my arms all the way, right?

[567] So just this notion that I could be touching two walls had this like cumulative impact on both the other actor and I, I'm not complaining at all.

[568] I'm only saying that these fake environments can kind of inhabit you in bizarre ways that you're maybe not intending.

[569] And I wonder if in the fun way, did that environment, Versailles seep into you.

[570] Were you able to feel like you were experiencing it in the period at all?

[571] It was incredible.

[572] The people that worked there had the same experience where you walk into one of the banquet halls and seeing it all set up with food and people living in it.

[573] It almost felt like ghosts or something.

[574] So it did feel like you were somehow in communication with the history there and to see it kind of reenacted.

[575] It was really striking when you were there in person.

[576] Do you ever wish you would have taken like a ton of mushrooms and just wandered into your set?

[577] so that you could actually believe you were there.

[578] It was real.

[579] That's a good idea.

[580] Yes, I mean, it might fuck up your day of work, but...

[581] Yeah, that would be terrifying if anyone asked me what to do out of it, but it's a good idea.

[582] Yeah, do you want to shoot the wider, the close -up first?

[583] Blue.

[584] Let's go with Blue.

[585] Oh, my God.

[586] It might be fun to wander around Versailles altered.

[587] You just gave me an idea, which is, I have to imagine you have director friends.

[588] You guys should be stopping by each other's sets on mushrooms.

[589] Okay, of course.

[590] You can't do it while you're directing because you'd fuck it all up.

[591] Good idea.

[592] Whoever's friends with Benny Off, like go to Game of Thrones.

[593] Put on the fucking mask, be boomers out of your mind, and be in Game of Thrones for a couple hours.

[594] That's a good idea.

[595] It is.

[596] And if you have access to it, it would be a shame not to.

[597] Yeah.

[598] West Anderson World.

[599] Oh, wow.

[600] Oh, that would be maybe the best because the details you'd spin out on and the symmetry.

[601] The squirrel costume.

[602] I just got another idea.

[603] I think we could almost finance movies.

[604] If we had a couple of period piecey things and you did sell for a lot of money, let's say, 200 grand.

[605] I think you could get tech billionaires to come live in Versailles for the day on shrooms and be in your background.

[606] And you can maybe finance a whole movie like this.

[607] Oh, my God.

[608] You're full of ideas.

[609] Yeah, that's a great idea.

[610] Thank you so much, you guys.

[611] It's like virtual reality.

[612] It's a new level.

[613] Okay, Kirsten, clearly you guys worked well together, yeah, unless you've had a public falling out, I don't know about, which is possible.

[614] No, I love Kirsten.

[615] She's like my sister, like a little sister to me. What is the thing for you two that makes you so sympathical?

[616] Do you know?

[617] No, I think it's just like how you click with certain people and certain directors have their muses, and I just feel like she understands.

[618] I don't have to explain it to her, and she gets what I'm trying to convey.

[619] She just gets it.

[620] She has the same sense of humor and taste, and she just knows what I'm looking for.

[621] And there's something about her that I am drawn to because she seems kind of effervescent and extroverted in a way that I'm not.

[622] But then she has this depth behind her eyes that you don't expect from a kind of sparkly blonde.

[623] There's just something about her that I love that she can express for me. I have to imagine you watched her in Fargo.

[624] Yeah, I didn't watch the whole thing.

[625] I need to watch the rest of it.

[626] But I just have the first few of her and Jesse.

[627] And I know I need to watch the rest of it.

[628] I've always thought she was really good, but I got to say in Fargo, I had that moment.

[629] And this is a weird thing to say, because she's had plenty of success.

[630] So it's not that I'm saying she isn't wildly successful.

[631] It's just sometimes you see people and you're like, oh, well, they're Merrill Street.

[632] Does everyone not agreeing on this?

[633] Or is there not consensus?

[634] Like, this person is shockingly talented.

[635] I'm so impressed by her, but I should watch that.

[636] I need a new thing to watch.

[637] So thanks for reminding me. What do you watch?

[638] What TV are you into?

[639] I'm watching The Vow right now.

[640] Oh, us too.

[641] Yeah, yeah, I'm hooked on that.

[642] But I don't watch a ton of TV.

[643] But then it's really fun when you get hooked into something like that.

[644] I really was into watching Killing Eve the first season of it.

[645] Did you watch Fleabag?

[646] Yes, I love that.

[647] I'm going to guess you haven't watched this, but if you liked Fleabag, I may destroy you.

[648] Have you seen this?

[649] Yeah, I watched the first few, and I thought it was so well done, but it was too dark for me. Like, I don't really want to live in that world.

[650] Yeah, yeah.

[651] I need a little scapism.

[652] That's fair.

[653] I miss, like, the kind of glamorous era of, like, mini -series from the 80s when I grew up.

[654] TV's got a little too gritty for me. I want some glamour's escapism.

[655] You want heart to heart?

[656] I love heart to heart.

[657] Yeah, me too.

[658] Me too.

[659] Yeah, there was so many shows back then.

[660] It was just about like a cute couple doing some stuff.

[661] It didn't.

[662] It could be anything, really.

[663] It's a little glamour.

[664] Okay.

[665] Now, when it's time to make your newest movie on The Rocks, do you assume like, oh, I'll be able to get Bill again, or are you just as nervous as you were the last time?

[666] I didn't want to work with him again because I feel like we had something special and people really loved him.

[667] that movie so I could never recreate it.

[668] So I never wanted to work with him again.

[669] And now after all this time, I thought, you know, I love working with him and we're at different phases in our life.

[670] Hopefully we do something else.

[671] And it's not going to be that.

[672] But hopefully people will be open to that.

[673] So that part was scary to me. But I thought, I'm not going to not get to work with him, you know, one more time.

[674] There's something really interesting there because generally when two people have massive success together, the first thought is like, well, let's do that again.

[675] That recipe works.

[676] Yeah.

[677] So I'm curious, you are just fearful that it would fall short of this thing that you captured?

[678] Yeah, I didn't have something particular in mind to do with him, but I also kind of put it off because I thought we'll never be able to top that or it'll always feel like, oh, it's not lost in translation.

[679] And then now, after all this time, I thought, I've never seen him as a dad.

[680] And, you know, we're both at different phases of a life and he's older.

[681] And my brother and I did a Christmas special with him.

[682] And he had a scene with Rashida, Bill and Rashida were together.

[683] And I thought, oh, they're so cute together.

[684] I have a nice chemistry.

[685] And I'd love the idea of like a father, daughter -daughter buddy movie and I thought I'm just going to get over my fear and and he's so great to world with and I knew that that he could make the character lovable who could have been very unlikable and you know I know he would bring his heart to it and help me out yeah and what is on the rocks about do you hate telling the premises of your movies no but I'm not I don't feel like I'm good at it I thought I should have it down in a nutshell by down but I'm going to meander but hopefully a friend of mine had a story she suspected her husband was having a thing with one of his coworkers and she had like a playboy father who insisted that they like spy on the guy and she was really like hiding in the bushes spying on her husband and I was like oh my god that would be a fun premise for a buddy movie with a father and daughter and I love the thin man movies did you difference the thin man no 40s there was a detective couple and they would just drink martinis and solve mysteries and it was a whole series that I love so that was kind of the idea is I wanted the two of them to be drinking martini's and discussing relationships while they're spying on her husband.

[686] Okay, so dad's helping daughters spy on daughter's husband.

[687] Yeah, and in the meantime, I remember growing up with my dad and his buddies, like, telling me like it is about what men are really thinking and, you know, like how it, and about like relationships.

[688] I just thought it was such a funny kind of different generation discussing men and women and relationships and sort of about how your parents affect the way you pick a partner or how you look at them through their point of view.

[689] Or also what comfort level you have kind of boundaries -wise, if that's the right way to say it.

[690] It's like, if you had kind of progressive parents, then the blueprint is a little more flexible or unconventional, and then maybe you're...

[691] You go the other way.

[692] Well, you could go the other way.

[693] I see people go the other way.

[694] Or my world, my mom and dad were best friends, even though they were divorced.

[695] And my mom was best friends with all of her exes.

[696] And there were exes all around.

[697] You know, like, so I just grew up that way.

[698] And I'm friends with all my exes.

[699] And when I met Kristen, she was like, I do not understand.

[700] this.

[701] I've never met anyone that's like super close with all their exes.

[702] And this is weird.

[703] And her mom doesn't hang with her exes.

[704] So I'm like, oh, we both just inherited this, you know.

[705] Yeah.

[706] Yeah.

[707] I have to imagine it's all pretty predictable.

[708] But it is tempting to feel like you and I, the age we are, that the way our dad's talked to your point and the way men are now or at least should be and we're aiming to be, that feels like a huge chasm.

[709] I feel like it's a bigger one than has existed previously.

[710] I think so too.

[711] It feels like a huge difference between the generations.

[712] So just having them discuss these things from such a different aspect.

[713] And that he's seeing it from his point of view, which is totally specific to him and getting her kind of wrapped up in this idea that he has.

[714] That he's like him.

[715] Yeah.

[716] And I think for me, sometimes I get caught between like movements I support and yet this real weird tolerance for bad stuff.

[717] Simply because Again, everyone I loved growing up, if they spoke the way they did in the late 70s, early 80s, you would hate them.

[718] But I have all these memories of when that was totally fine and I see the joy and playfulness behind it.

[719] I'll be sometimes talking with someone like maybe 15 years younger than me that maybe didn't experience that in the 90s growing up.

[720] And I can feel there's this dissonance about how I'm comfortable with flawed shit and bad points of you.

[721] And they don't seem to be.

[722] and I, that's my only explanation for it.

[723] Yeah, no, definitely.

[724] I feel like we are in between the two.

[725] So I see that it's not being spirited and where it's coming from.

[726] So it's kind of like this old world playboy and the kind of clashing with the modern relationship.

[727] There's sort of an identity crisis I experience in most women.

[728] Like when you have kids, you kind of lose yourself for a second and you have to kind of reconnect with who you are.

[729] Yeah.

[730] So he comes in right when she's feeling a little lost.

[731] She's more vulnerable and gets carried away on his adventure.

[732] Or she wouldn't have if she had been more soft.

[733] And then hopefully by the end, she kind of reconnects with who she is.

[734] Now, you've specialized in really being able to capture the voice of young women repeatedly.

[735] And I wonder as you age, like Bill Murray is a perfect example.

[736] If I line up all my comedy heroes of the 80s, the shelf life is not great.

[737] He seems to be the single one that I loved in the 80s that is still completely relevant.

[738] And I'm still shocked by what he says or interested.

[739] So he's done the impossible.

[740] but I wonder as a director, has it gotten harder?

[741] Is it just the same?

[742] Or do you even think about that?

[743] Working on this, I'm writing, having little kids and at this moment my life, and I was like, it's so boring.

[744] Who wants to hear about, like, middle -aged life?

[745] And, like, I'm not in a crisis point.

[746] My husband, I talk about, like, if you're in a good moment in your life, like, what do you have to make stuff about if you're not struggling or in a crisis?

[747] It's like, boring.

[748] But then at the same time, I want to make work that's personal that I can try to connect with what I see around me and what I'm.

[749] experiencing so it's super uncool but I'm just going to write about what I'm struggling with right now and I hope that other people and other women can relate to that because I haven't seen that so much in a film.

[750] I think it's fun to think about men and women and relationships in this context of this man of that generation and daughter that's not full of anger.

[751] There's love there too and Rashida and I talked about that too because her father's from another generation and says things and she has to say like dad that you can't do that you can't say that you know.

[752] Yeah yeah.

[753] So I just thought it was a unique moment where this generation, there's such a big divide and with so much understandable anger between women and men of that generation to do something with playfulness and love at the differences.

[754] I think so much of life is like being able to hear people in a way that it gets through.

[755] And sometimes the relationship is so pertinent to whether or not you can even hear somebody.

[756] Like, I don't know what your experience is, but I've been with my wife for 13 years and it's like I'm ashamed to admit sometimes I have to stare at her and go she's a human who has needs too she's not the co -pilot of this fucking plane crash we're on with these two guys like you know it's so easy to see them as this like other person facilitating these people's needs and I got to really look at her and go like she is a girl who wants things and this you know like I'm a little boy who still wants this and that.

[757] And my mom can say things to me that say my wife has said to me, but coming from my mom, I'm like, oh, I can hear that for some reason.

[758] Yeah, that's a good point.

[759] Do you want me to go out on the press tour and I can talk about the movie?

[760] It seems like I got a pretty good handle on it.

[761] Yeah.

[762] Yeah.

[763] What's going on with the release?

[764] I feel anyone who's in your situation, I just feel dreadful for it, having known the commitment of filming a movie.

[765] It's just years of your life.

[766] Thanks.

[767] I feel so lucky that we finished our sound mix like a week before the world shut down.

[768] So I feel for people that were filming and got their projects interrupted, like how hard that would be.

[769] We finished and then we could all go home and hunker down and feel like we finished our work.

[770] And we got to shoot in New York City, which feels like a period movie now.

[771] Like we didn't realize how lucky we were just to be able to be walking around New York and these restaurants.

[772] So I hope when people see it, I hope it's fun to get to see like being in a restaurant with Phil Murray and these kind of normal things that we can't have right now.

[773] Yeah.

[774] So 824, the studio is putting it out who I love what they do.

[775] And they're going to try to do it at the actual release, but I'm like, really, is that possible?

[776] Yeah.

[777] But I'm really happy that we partner with Apple because then people will get to see it at home.

[778] And I feel like it won't get, I hope, not lost in the shuffle.

[779] And I hope people are ready for something new to watch because we're all home watching things.

[780] Yeah.

[781] And ego -wise, is that fine with you if it turns out everyone just watch it at home?

[782] Yeah.

[783] I feel like this isn't a big epic movie.

[784] it's sort of cozy family movie, so I'm happy people see it at home on their couch.

[785] I always love seeing things in the theater because there is that experience of the community of people feeling it together.

[786] You really feel that when you're in a room together, and I don't want that to be lost.

[787] Especially in the situation, I feel glad that people will get to see it.

[788] I feel okay about that.

[789] Now, if we look at over the last 12 years of how the film business has changed, I would argue that you're in the bullseye of people that got hit hardest.

[790] There's no real appetite to make a 40 -and -under movie that's a drama or a dromedy or relationship -driven.

[791] It seems like you would fall into the category that has gotten hurt the most.

[792] Was it more challenging than it's ever been to put the movie together?

[793] A couple of years ago, I was talking to my friend, like Tamara Jenkins, who's another independent film director.

[794] And it was just sort of like our whole world kind of fell apart for a moment.

[795] And yeah, you can only have superhero movies or little tiny movies.

[796] It was a little bit of a moment of worry.

[797] And then because of streaming, now we have these companies that will finance movies.

[798] So I feel like now there's another kind of second life for movies that are not huge formula movies.

[799] Yeah.

[800] And so you're optimistic.

[801] Yeah.

[802] I feel like with Netflix and Apple, these companies were able to get our kind of movies financed.

[803] Yeah.

[804] I just hope that they'll still get to be seen in the theater.

[805] But yeah, I feel like it was almost extinct.

[806] And then they kind of brought life back to movies that weren't a little atypical or something.

[807] Well, that's good to hear because I was going to say.

[808] say, it almost seems like you would have been forced to, and I want you to, and I can already tell you're not going to do it, but how about doing a 10 -part something?

[809] Would you consider that?

[810] Actually, I'm adapting this Edith Wharton book that I love, my favorite book of hers, A Custom of the Country, which was written for a magazine serial in five parts.

[811] So I'm adapting that to be five parts.

[812] Oh, good.

[813] Yeah.

[814] Yeah, it's like a period and, um, gilded age, 1900s in New York and Europe and I'm in the mood to have beautiful costumes and do something in that era.

[815] So I'm excited to try that.

[816] I'm obsessed with biographies of that era, particularly all the tycoons in the patrician class.

[817] Yes, I've read like the Rockefeller one a bunch of times, Vanderbilt.

[818] Oh, wow.

[819] I'm more focused on how they partied and stuff.

[820] Well, I'm fascinated by that too.

[821] I just think, yeah, there was like opulence for almost the first time where blue collar people were becoming opulent, not like a chosen aristocracy.

[822] It was like people were making themselves into aristocrats, which I think is very fascinating and fertile.

[823] Yeah.

[824] Yeah, yeah, she writes, it's kind of a satire of society and the new money and the old guard and all of that.

[825] So it's really fun to read about.

[826] Yeah, and people thinking so -and -so's crude, you know, like Cornelius Fanderbell.

[827] He's crude and he fights men in the street and he doesn't deserve to be here.

[828] And I just, I love that kind of class struggle thing always.

[829] Yeah, it's fun.

[830] Okay, so you will do a series we can watch, which I'm making you've committed to it, and I'm glad.

[831] Oh, no, I wouldn't know how to do an ongoing one, but I like that this, you know, has a beginning and an end.

[832] I like watching ongoing series, but I would know how to do it, but maybe someday.

[833] Well, Sophia, I'm just such a huge fan of ears, and I cannot wait to see this.

[834] And when will we be able to see it?

[835] It's coming out October 23rd on Apple.

[836] I think a few weeks before, theatrically, possibly, supposed to.

[837] I'm not sure what that will entail, but yeah, so soon.

[838] Do you want to ask about not ruining your children?

[839] I do.

[840] Thank you.

[841] Thank you.

[842] I almost left without any selfishness.

[843] So I have two daughters and I don't know what it's like to grow up with famous parents.

[844] Mine were not trying to be very mindful of it.

[845] I'm doing the best I can.

[846] But occasionally I interview people that had very famous parents and I love asking them like, you know, what's a tip I should avoid.

[847] Oh, that's a good question.

[848] Oh, I don't have a good answer for you.

[849] Yeah, that's fair.

[850] That's fair.

[851] What to avoid.

[852] I would love it if you said don't beat them.

[853] that's a good tip i wonder how like um well you could answer that like your dad's incredibly recognizable to me but i'm very into movies like was when you would move through the world did people know oh that's francis for cobala or was there some anonymity my parents moved to the country in appra valley when i was a little kid because my dad wanted to get out of l a and the parents don't want to raise us in that so i grew up in a small town where i knew everyone and you know we were a little bit different but i graduated with the kids i went to first grade with and i still see them And so I felt like my mom always made, we would travel all over, but we always came back to nap and had a home base and had some normalcy.

[854] And she was very protective of us.

[855] So I definitely was suspicious of people because I would see people gravitate towards my dad that I knew they wanted something.

[856] So I think you grew up, I think it makes you suspicious, but hopefully in a good way, you know.

[857] Yeah.

[858] Well, it's a testament to what that place meant to you that you're currently sitting there talking to me. I mean, that really says it all.

[859] I think my next move is to move out of L .A. it sounds like, I think that was a tip.

[860] No, they'll be fine.

[861] All right, so fun to talk to you.

[862] Thank you.

[863] It was really fun talking to you guys, and thanks for having me on your show.

[864] Yeah, good luck with the movie.

[865] Cannot wait to see you.

[866] Thank you.

[867] I hope you like it.

[868] Bye.

[869] Stay tuned for more armchair expert, if you dare.

[870] And now my favorite part of the show, the fact check with my soulmate Monica Padman.

[871] Welcome, welcome, welcome.

[872] To the fact check.

[873] You finally did a character.

[874] You.

[875] Yeah.

[876] We do it one more time.

[877] That was really good.

[878] No. I won't push it.

[879] I won't push it.

[880] Okay.

[881] You're right.

[882] Well, that's me. I want more, more more.

[883] I know.

[884] We hit this in the intro, but we should hit it again.

[885] Okay.

[886] We're really grateful to all the arm cherries and people who've reached out.

[887] Big time.

[888] And support.

[889] Yeah.

[890] The exact opposite.

[891] of what I was scared of.

[892] But do you want to talk about what you feel a little bit still now scared of since that's what we do?

[893] Oh, man, I don't because I would hate for anyone to interpret that I'm not super grateful for the love.

[894] I'm so grateful for the love.

[895] But it is ironic that even in a podcast that we declare we want to celebrate failures and learn from them, I still had this feeling yesterday that I was getting, because a lot of people in my life reached out to me, which was so lovely.

[896] I mean, my cousin Kelly, which I haven't heard from in a while, a bunch of people, just incredibly nice.

[897] And I did have this kind of weird just childhood emotional reaction, which was like, I'm being recognized for having failed and for having been weak.

[898] And I think it just circles back to like not feeling worthy of love and kindness, maybe.

[899] I don't know, but it wasn't just like super easy for me to navigate.

[900] Also, as we were just talking about, we had so much control over everything for a minute.

[901] Like we got to choose how we recorded it and how we wanted to address it.

[902] And then we like got to control what day it came out and what it was called.

[903] Yep.

[904] And that was the last bit of control we had.

[905] Then there was like news stories and blah, blah, blah, which again, it's not that we didn't know that going to happen it just went from feeling like we had control buttoned up a little bit yeah the buttons came on right and then we just didn't have control so my obsession with control of course plus my feeling like I was weak and people knew and so loved and so grateful yeah way more like if it was up high it was 60 % gratitude and 40 % feeling like I didn't deserve it yeah yeah but what people are recognizing is not that you relapsed.

[906] You know, they're not praising you for that.

[907] They're not praising you for the thing you did wrong.

[908] They're not praising you for the weakness or praising you for the strength that you talked about it.

[909] So publicly and honestly.

[910] Yeah, and I know that intellectually.

[911] Yeah, I know.

[912] And it's just hard to feel.

[913] Yes.

[914] You know, you and I say it to you all the time.

[915] It's like everyone on the comments like, Monica's so beautiful.

[916] And I tell you and you have a reason why it's not real every time.

[917] So it's like there's this emotional disconnect from our intel.

[918] For me, there's an emotional disconnect from my intellect a lot.

[919] Well, I hope they come together so that you can feel it.

[920] Yeah, you too.

[921] What else was I going to say?

[922] It's Bill Gates sent us some di Coke.

[923] That's, yes.

[924] You just revealed this to me. 15 minutes ago when we're reeling from it.

[925] He sent the Da Vinci book he talked about.

[926] Yep.

[927] Three copies for Wobby Wob.

[928] That's right.

[929] Wanaka and Wii.

[930] And then is that an eight or 12 pack?

[931] It's the tall, they look like bottles, but they're aluminum.

[932] They're thrilling Diet Coke box.

[933] And one for Rob, myself, and that.

[934] It looks rare, doesn't it?

[935] It looks exclusive.

[936] I don't want to open it.

[937] I'm scared to open it.

[938] What if there's a billion dollars in each of these boxes?

[939] What if the bottles are made of gold?

[940] Oh, so lovely.

[941] Oh, man. Yeah, Bridget, Bridget, Bridget.

[942] Thank you so much.

[943] Thank you for making that happen.

[944] And then thank you for the card and the feedback.

[945] So Bridget, you're our hero.

[946] I want to end of the night.

[947] He's got to be strong and he's got to be.

[948] I need a hero.

[949] Oh, there we go.

[950] Yeah, from footloose.

[951] You know I don't like Footlox.

[952] I know you really?

[953] Yeah, you didn't respond to it.

[954] Why was it again?

[955] I just really don't like that song.

[956] The main song.

[957] Okay.

[958] I've actually never seen the movie, to be fair.

[959] It's fantastic.

[960] Oh, I'm never seeing it because I don't.

[961] You hate the, Not I got a foot news.

[962] Yes, please stop.

[963] I don't enjoy it.

[964] Take up your Sunday shoes.

[965] Ugh.

[966] I just, real.

[967] There's something about the tune.

[968] I despise.

[969] But you love Loggins?

[970] I wouldn't say I love.

[971] Oh, man. Well, I shouldn't say I don't love.

[972] Oh, there's so many great Loggins tunes.

[973] Okay, let's not go through.

[974] All right.

[975] Do you feel like you have a new leverage over me?

[976] Like, you're really bossing me around today, and you deserve to.

[977] You feel like?

[978] No, I always boss you around.

[979] That's true.

[980] That's true.

[981] Okay, Sophia.

[982] Sophia Coppola.

[983] She's such a brilliant filmmaker.

[984] She really is.

[985] If people haven't, I mean, I'm sure they have because she has so many noteworthy films.

[986] But if you haven't seen them, please watch.

[987] They all have a very specific fingerprint.

[988] I'm going to suggest the fingerprint is.

[989] So recently Bob wrote some songs for us for some new shows that are coming out.

[990] And we were listening to all these different songs.

[991] There was probably eight in total.

[992] At the end of it, we both were like, oh, you know the unifying thing of all Bob Mervax's music is that motherfucker just has so much.

[993] much soul.

[994] He can't not have soul.

[995] Yes.

[996] And I would argue that Sophia's thing is like every frame has emotion in it.

[997] It's just a very emotional experience.

[998] There's something about the way it's lit and shot and intimate.

[999] It's just beautiful.

[1000] Like everything she makes is really gorgeous.

[1001] I'm not surprised that she was into photography.

[1002] And fashion.

[1003] Yes.

[1004] Yeah.

[1005] It's all very stylized.

[1006] But but not in a, you know, sometimes things are stylized and it gets in the way.

[1007] of everything.

[1008] It feels forced or something.

[1009] Uh -huh.

[1010] Yeah.

[1011] This does.

[1012] Or that it was prioritized over the stories.

[1013] And there's none of that imbalance.

[1014] It's just all there and their story.

[1015] Yeah, which makes me so excited to see her new movie because I wonder how that's going to get incorporated with this like daddy daughter buddy film.

[1016] Also, like her and Bill Murray just have some undeniable chemistry.

[1017] For sure.

[1018] Yeah.

[1019] Oh, so fun.

[1020] That's probably my, would you say it's your favorite Bill Murray movie?

[1021] Lost in Translation.

[1022] Yeah.

[1023] Uh, what are other ones?

[1024] Well, Rushmore for me is, he is so brilliant.

[1025] Oh, that's such a good movie.

[1026] It is.

[1027] That's probably my fave.

[1028] Makes sense she brought him up that they're bros. Oh, wait, he's also in Tenin Boms, right?

[1029] Uh -huh.

[1030] Yeah, I love Tenant Bombs.

[1031] He's also in Zizzo.

[1032] He's in all the West.

[1033] Yes, yes.

[1034] And it's all ding, ding, ding, ding connected, because Sophia's cousin is Jason Schwartzman.

[1035] They work together a lot.

[1036] And Jason Schwartzman is in all the West movies.

[1037] I want her to make a movie with my hero, Nick Cage, who's also her cousin.

[1038] Oh, yeah.

[1039] Yeah.

[1040] Because I want to have the Travolta resurgence of Pulp Fiction.

[1041] That'd be great.

[1042] Ding, ding, ding, Pulp Fiction.

[1043] Okay, because you talked about Pulp Fiction being the briefcase scene is similar to the whispering scene in Loss and Translation.

[1044] So then I looked up, What are some other unanswered questions in movies?

[1045] Oh.

[1046] Okay.

[1047] I don't know a lot of these, but you might.

[1048] So one is Blade Runner.

[1049] Don't know well enough.

[1050] Okay.

[1051] It's saying is Deckard, Descartes a replicant.

[1052] Oh, okay.

[1053] Okay, yeah, I don't know enough.

[1054] No. Inception is Leo still dreaming?

[1055] Yes, yes, yes.

[1056] Well, that was all came down to whether that top was going to drop or not.

[1057] Exactly.

[1058] I could rewatch that.

[1059] Me too.

[1060] Let's do it.

[1061] I could rewatch anything with Leo.

[1062] Oh, my God.

[1063] What a sex machine.

[1064] All I can think about is his dinosaur bones now.

[1065] I know his T -Rex skull.

[1066] Yeah.

[1067] I really want to see it.

[1068] I really want him to make.

[1069] I want you to be bent over the T -Rex skull while he makes love for you.

[1070] Can you imagine him more?

[1071] Wait, is it?

[1072] Well, I don't think people are all going to like that.

[1073] Oh, why?

[1074] Because of the paleontology of it all or just you're being bent over.

[1075] Because it's disrespectful to the T -Rex.

[1076] Oh.

[1077] Okay.

[1078] I didn't know if I had crossed the line with you about you and Leo.

[1079] No. He's in my age range, under 65.

[1080] Well, he's a little young for you, but yes.

[1081] Yeah.

[1082] And he's going to move in and bring his T -Rex, and we're going to find a way to incorporate that into my new house.

[1083] But just imagine that the lovemaking somehow takes place on the T -Rex, and you're like holding on to the incisors of the T -Rex for stability.

[1084] I'm going to be nervous.

[1085] Can you imagine anything, though, more primal than holding the T -Rex's incisors while coitus is happening.

[1086] That's a lot.

[1087] I think I would make love to them if I could hold on to the incisors.

[1088] Maybe you guys will do it in the mouth of the T -Rex.

[1089] How big is the mouth?

[1090] I bet it's big enough to put like a twin bed on the tongue where the tongue would be.

[1091] Oh, my God.

[1092] And you guys could be in like a T -Rex cave.

[1093] Oh, my God.

[1094] I'm not saying no to that.

[1095] I hope Leo's listening because if he hasn't thought of this idea, he's missing out on a great opportunity.

[1096] But Dibbs, Leo, it only gets to be with me and in my house with your T -Rex.

[1097] Talk about a novel experience.

[1098] Oh, yeah.

[1099] It's a double whammy.

[1100] Very few people have been able to make love to Leo.

[1101] Plus, I would argue no one's made love in the mouth of a T -Rex.

[1102] Yeah.

[1103] God, we're so good at coming up with these.

[1104] Should we write for softcore pornography production companies?

[1105] Potentially.

[1106] First thing will be the butt snake.

[1107] Butt snake.

[1108] Yeah, bottom snake.

[1109] Oh, yeah.

[1110] Okay, number four, the thing.

[1111] Never seen it.

[1112] Yeah, me neither.

[1113] The big question is who is the thing?

[1114] I wish I could weigh in.

[1115] Demolition Man, but the big question is how do the three seashells work?

[1116] That means nothing to me. Okay, great.

[1117] So Bill Murray, Scarlett Johansson, Lawson, Translation, and then, okay, this one is the only one I sort of knew.

[1118] The Breakfast Club.

[1119] What's the punchline to John Bender's joke?

[1120] Oh.

[1121] His joke is, a naked blonde walks into a bar with a poodle under one arm, had two -foot salami under the other.

[1122] He lays the poodle on the table.

[1123] Bartender says, I suppose you won't be needing a drink.

[1124] Naked lady says, and then we don't know the answer.

[1125] But when I did research, it said he was just making that up, so there is no answer.

[1126] Oh, okay.

[1127] Yeah.

[1128] That's unsatisfying.

[1129] Agreed.

[1130] I wonder if Tarantino knows what's in the briefcase.

[1131] He must, right?

[1132] It was glowing.

[1133] It was breathtaking.

[1134] Yeah.

[1135] Is that what I think it is?

[1136] It felt something like biblical, like Raiders of the Lost Ark, when they open the Ark of the Covenant and the commandments are inside and it blasts everybody.

[1137] I'd love to know.

[1138] Yeah, me too.

[1139] I hate not knowing.

[1140] It's also nice to have some things unanswered.

[1141] No. You know, it reminds me of like being young and having people telling secrets and me not knowing.

[1142] I think that's what it triggers, like feeling on the outside.

[1143] Okay.

[1144] Yeah, I like having.

[1145] some mystery left.

[1146] Good for you.

[1147] That's why I haven't finished the Bukowski books or season five of Friday Night Lights.

[1148] Like anything could happen in season five.

[1149] I don't know.

[1150] Stuff does happen.

[1151] I won't tell you.

[1152] Coach T. He could levitate during a game or something and we find out.

[1153] How'd you know?

[1154] Oh my God, that's what happened.

[1155] Oh, my God.

[1156] You just guessed it.

[1157] Okay, so she said that once they landed a helicopter in the parking lot of Disneyland, Oh, my God, that's so great.

[1158] And then they were told it's illegal.

[1159] So I looked into it.

[1160] A couple things are interesting.

[1161] One is Disney World and Disneyland are no fly zones.

[1162] Really?

[1163] Yes.

[1164] I wonder how they got that distinction.

[1165] It says it doesn't apply to all planes.

[1166] You'll see commercial airliners flying over, but they're way above 3 ,000 feet.

[1167] You may even see skywriting from advertisers who found a loophole.

[1168] they'll get a plane that writes messages in the sky that you can still see while you're at Disney but they're not directly above Disney.

[1169] They're far away enough to be obeying the law but close enough that you can read what they're writing in the sky.

[1170] Okay, so ding, ding, ding, my childhood, I grew up just a mile and a half from the General Motors Proving Grounds, which is this miles and miles, square miles of development tracks and all this stuff.

[1171] So they have a no -fly zone above them so that spy photographers can't rip off their thing.

[1172] And what would regularly happen is I also lived in an area where hot air balloons were common.

[1173] Yeah.

[1174] In fact, one landed in my yard.

[1175] Well, actually two lots over, but there was no house there yet.

[1176] And they were trying to bring it down.

[1177] And as like a 13 -year -old, I was involved.

[1178] And I got to hang off the side of the basket.

[1179] And we just kind of glided across the ground, like two or three feet off the ground until it sat down.

[1180] It was one of the most wonderful physical experiences of my life.

[1181] But anyways, those hot air balloons accidentally land at the proving grounds.

[1182] and then the security has to come, make sure they don't have cameras.

[1183] Oh, wow.

[1184] Corporate espionage.

[1185] Maybe you should write some of that, too, when we're not writing our pornography.

[1186] Okay, so Disney has actually shown interest in getting exemption from the law recently because drones in 2019 Universal Studios created a massively impressive spectacle using drones.

[1187] Oh, I think I've seen video of this.

[1188] It's in the Harry Potter world.

[1189] They created a luminous patronus spell.

[1190] Oh, that's awesome.

[1191] I'm fiendin' for a trip down to Disney World and I guess now universal to see the drone display because Eric is obsessed with the avatar ride at Disney World.

[1192] So it's the greatest experience of his life.

[1193] Is it at World?

[1194] It's at World.

[1195] It's in Orlando.

[1196] Man, you know, I used to go every year with my family for spring break.

[1197] We'd go for a week.

[1198] That was where my family's vacation destination.

[1199] was.

[1200] That's the only place we went.

[1201] And good for my parents.

[1202] I'm so, I'm so impressed.

[1203] Every day.

[1204] At spring, during spring break.

[1205] Yes, and they would cart me around in a stroller, even when I was way too big for it.

[1206] Oh, that sounds so on brand for you.

[1207] In your sedan chair.

[1208] I'm so, in retrospect, impressed and grateful.

[1209] Nirmala, a show.

[1210] You killed it.

[1211] But now I haven't been in many years.

[1212] We went when Harry Potter first, opened and then I haven't been since and so I have not seen Avatar well we're going to have to do a live show in Orlando and then spend two days going to all the shit oh my god that'd be amazing I'd love oh wow should we interview Walt Disney's corpse is ghost is it a urban legend that he's cryogenically frozen or is that true I don't think it's true and I don't think it's a legend I don't think it's either.

[1213] No, it's definitely an urban.

[1214] It is?

[1215] Yeah, let me just.

[1216] I've never heard it.

[1217] Let me googie.

[1218] Is Walt Disney really cryogenically frozen?

[1219] Question mark.

[1220] Rumor has it that the animation legend was frozen after death so he could be reanimated in the future.

[1221] Oh, the rumor is that he's suspended in a frozen state and buried deep beneath the Pirates of the Caribbean.

[1222] Whoa.

[1223] In Anaheim, awaiting the day when medical technology would be advanced enough to ream.

[1224] animate the animator.

[1225] I think they're overusing the word reanimate.

[1226] Just bring back to life, right?

[1227] Well, but they're doing a play on words.

[1228] Disney's daughter has denied that he's cryogenically frozen.

[1229] I'm going to guess he's not.

[1230] I'm going to guess he's not, too.

[1231] But it's fun to believe.

[1232] But you know, Lenin is Vladimir Lenin.

[1233] I thought you meant Lenin Parham.

[1234] Oh, no. She's still with us.

[1235] Yeah, thank God.

[1236] She's another sweet person I talked to yesterday.

[1237] But yeah, you can go view him in the Kremlin.

[1238] or surrounding area.

[1239] Really?

[1240] Mm -hmm.

[1241] I want to say Stalin is also, but I'm not, I'm not positive about that one.

[1242] But I am positive about Lenin.

[1243] All right.

[1244] Okay, but back to Disney.

[1245] Oh, sorry.

[1246] So they used to allow it, but then there were two crashes.

[1247] Drone crashes?

[1248] No, I'm so sorry.

[1249] They used to allow helicopter.

[1250] Okay.

[1251] And what they would do is they'd pick people up from LAX by helicopter and bring them to Disney and then take them back.

[1252] And there were two crashes and everyone died.

[1253] Okay.

[1254] So they stopped allowing that.

[1255] Yeah.

[1256] What's their tagline, the most something on the something?

[1257] A magical place on earth.

[1258] The most magical place on earth.

[1259] It's the most magical place on earth.

[1260] Okay.

[1261] Let me look.

[1262] The happiest place on earth.

[1263] The happiest place on earth.

[1264] And the magic kingdom is the most magical place on earth.

[1265] Right.

[1266] So a helicopter crash is very incongruous with the happiest place on earth.

[1267] Well, yeah.

[1268] Yeah.

[1269] Does Mariah Carey sing a song?

[1270] about happy?

[1271] I don't know.

[1272] I know Farrell does.

[1273] He does, but he's not a ding, ding, ding right now.

[1274] Okay.

[1275] I was just going to, she talked about cribs because they...

[1276] Oh, that's the most spectacular episode of Cribs.

[1277] Mariah Carey.

[1278] Yep.

[1279] She got in the bath at one point.

[1280] Yeah, she got in the bath.

[1281] Gold doors.

[1282] She has a walk -in closet dedicated to lingerie.

[1283] Mm -hmm.

[1284] A bathroom is so serene that Carrie has to change outfits before using it.

[1285] a kitchen with the Shays lounge, and a mermaid room.

[1286] Mm -hmm.

[1287] I got a bad hunch that even after you create this perfect environment, you're like, hmm, I feel the same.

[1288] Are you going to feel that way when you have the miniature Rocky Mountain and the floaties?

[1289] I'll tell you why I don't think so.

[1290] What's that called?

[1291] Lazy River.

[1292] A lazy river with a perfect model of the Rocky Mountains alongside of it.

[1293] I don't think so because what will happen is it'll be way more about other people experiencing it.

[1294] Whereas her, like, bath and all that.

[1295] That's just for her to experience, and it's just lonely.

[1296] But my thing's going to be like, people are going to be like, what the fuck?

[1297] Oh, shit, there's a basin.

[1298] Oh, there's, that's, that's, uh.

[1299] It's a community experience.

[1300] I can't even think of any of them.

[1301] What are these famous ski places?

[1302] You act like you care so much about the rock email.

[1303] I know, I know, I can't think of one ski place right now.

[1304] Okay.

[1305] So I looked up the top cribs episodes.

[1306] Okay, so obviously Mariah.

[1307] Richard Branson, he showed people around his private.

[1308] private island, and it's the most expensive property ever featured on Chris.

[1309] I want to say Mariah was there.

[1310] Really?

[1311] Dingle, ding, ding.

[1312] She is.

[1313] Uh -huh.

[1314] I saw it, and I remember that.

[1315] She just happens to be vacationing there.

[1316] It says, complete with rock, pool, jukebox, dance floor, coral shower, rooftop bathtub, and Mariah carried just sort of lounging around ambiently.

[1317] Yep.

[1318] Wow, ding, ding, ding.

[1319] Okay, so, yeah, so that's the most expensive property ever on cribs.

[1320] Our friend Michael Rosenbaum had a brilliant one.

[1321] He did?

[1322] Yep.

[1323] He like hid people in the bedroom.

[1324] So like when he was showing the bedroom, people got out of the bed all of a sudden.

[1325] Oh, he did a bunch of really funny ones.

[1326] Oh, that's fun.

[1327] Okay, Gene Simmons.

[1328] Gene Simmons had a kiss room where he collects memorabilia from his band, books, mass, figurines, magazine, slippers, toilet seats, and women's underwear, emblazoned with his face and the phrase, lick it up.

[1329] Oh, wow.

[1330] Right.

[1331] 50 cent, our old friend, 50 cent.

[1332] I want to see that one because I didn't know until we interviewed him that he owned Tyson's old place.

[1333] Yeah, he called his house an East Coast Playboy Mansion, 19 bedrooms.

[1334] This must have been the one.

[1335] Yeah, a Tyson's house.

[1336] Oh, yep, 19 bedrooms and 19 bathrooms.

[1337] Connecticut home was a tasteful oasis of chandeliers and hygiene marble.

[1338] He bought the chairs from Mike Tyson.

[1339] He filled his fridge with vitamin water.

[1340] very on brand, obviously.

[1341] And synergistic, because he was a spokesperson.

[1342] That's right.

[1343] He has a framed picture of himself standing next to Jessica Alba.

[1344] Great.

[1345] And he has a strip club room.

[1346] Chris Angel, I would love to go to Chris.

[1347] I saw that one.

[1348] It was in Vegas.

[1349] And he had like a lap pool inside the room.

[1350] Giant train set that snaked around a miniature fairground.

[1351] That's kind of what you want.

[1352] It is.

[1353] Should I start hanging out with Chris Angel?

[1354] Yes.

[1355] So he had a drawer full of sweats.

[1356] teddy bears dangling from lamps and constantly observed CCTV linked his place of business.

[1357] Never trust magicians.

[1358] Yeah, it's a good rule to follow.

[1359] I trust them.

[1360] I love them.

[1361] Okay, last one, jaw rule.

[1362] Perhaps the greatest cribs of all in which the rapper showed the crew around a house that wasn't actually his, and the owners sued him for filming there without permission.

[1363] The whole episode is a prequel to the fire festival.

[1364] You know, he was involved in that.

[1365] That's great.

[1366] Hulk Hogan one was really good, too.

[1367] Oh.

[1368] I don't remember that.

[1369] I think it's what led up to him having a reality show.

[1370] Oh.

[1371] Also, if you famously remember, the Osbournes was a Cribs episode that turned into their show.

[1372] Oh, wow.

[1373] I think I'm right about that.

[1374] Cool.

[1375] Kill.

[1376] Kill.

[1377] I loved at that age, especially, like, getting a peek behind the curtains, seeing people's houses and seeing what their lives were like.

[1378] It combined two of my love.

[1379] So when I was a kid, I loved lifestyles of the rich in fame.

[1380] Oh, is that the same thing?

[1381] Well, in essence, because you're seeing rich and famous people.

[1382] And their lifestyle.

[1383] Yeah, but it was like people, like Ed McMahon.

[1384] I was a kid, and I didn't have a great interest in Egg McMahon.

[1385] But Ed McMahon had built an exact replica of their enormous house in the backyard for his daughter.

[1386] Okay.

[1387] So it sounds like you've gotten your idea from a few other places, like cribs.

[1388] There's no original ideas.

[1389] Let's just be honest about that.

[1390] At best, you're just putting together two people's others' ideas.

[1391] and creating yours own size ideas.

[1392] You're right.

[1393] Yeah.

[1394] Well, that's all for Sophia.

[1395] Love you.

[1396] I love you.

[1397] I love you.

[1398] I can't wait to watch your movie.

[1399] Oh, I can't wait.

[1400] Bye.

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