#482 - Rob MacCachren & Bud Brutsman

[0] Cue the music, young Jamie.

[1] We're going to talk about some crazy shit.

[2] The Joe Rogan Experience.

[3] Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night all day.

[4] My pal, Bud Bruttsman, who's my neighbor.

[5] We've been friends for many a year, more than two decades, right?

[6] We've been friends for a long time.

[7] 16, 17 years?

[8] Something like that.

[9] Long ass time.

[10] Bud every year leaves family and friends behind and travels to Mexico.

[11] to do this fucking crazy race, and every year I talk to his wife shaking my head.

[12] I talk to other people shaking my head, going, that Bud Bruttsman is a crazy son of a bitch.

[13] Like, what the fuck is he doing down in Mexico, doing jumps and flying over hills?

[14] Well, he is brought with him, Rob McCackran, who is apparently the man when it comes to this Baja racing stuff.

[15] And I mean, I'm fascinated by it, and so I'm real excited to get you.

[16] guys on the podcast and talk about it and I know you've got something upcoming that you're promoting that uh so people can get a chance to check it out yeah we I started racing I'm at the TV business right so I think you think I'm crazy but this race is much like Mount Everest to me you just got to go do it it starts always starts as a stupid bucket list thing you've got to go do right so I did it one year Rob's been doing it for 25 years or 30 years I I did it one year 2005 and I'm like I got to go climb Mount Everest I got to go do this thing So I did it through a sponsor, my B. F. Gertritch, and I'm like, oh, my God.

[17] And this actually leans back to you.

[18] This is mixed martial arts of racing.

[19] There's no rules.

[20] There's no classes.

[21] There are classes, but there's no rules.

[22] You can do anything you want.

[23] There's consequences down there.

[24] I mean, if you don't train, you don't pay attention, you don't sleep, you go out part of night before.

[25] You have consequences.

[26] You get hurt.

[27] You can get killed.

[28] You can wreck your car.

[29] You can sit in the middle of desert for 20 hours.

[30] You know, I just went to go compete, kind of like an Iron Man. Like, I'm going to go compete.

[31] I want to finish it, all right?

[32] Right.

[33] So I just say you did a marathon.

[34] Yeah, I did a marathon.

[35] I'm a big, I get a little trophy, it's fine.

[36] And now I'm hooked, right?

[37] So then it's kind of the lure, this majestic place.

[38] Rob will talk about a lot, this majestic place.

[39] So I was like, I finished.

[40] I'm happy.

[41] 36 hours in a car.

[42] I finished.

[43] It was great.

[44] Everybody was happy.

[45] I was tired of shit.

[46] Then the next year I came back.

[47] I want to do it again.

[48] Maybe I'll take second or third or get on the podium.

[49] And so I started chasing it and started chasing it.

[50] It took me eight years every day.

[51] I work out all the time just to go race I watch race videos as much seat time as I can because I only do the one race a year I do about two races a year just one to practice and then I go down and race the thousand and I finally won in 2012 but then there's guys like Rob 200 wins he's won 200 times in offward racing he's won five I don't know all the stats over it five Baja 100 by 1 ,000s 5 by 100s he's the legend of our sport he races in trophy trucks, which is not my class.

[52] So for folks who don't know what Baja racing is, explain that.

[53] Rob, why don't you explain it since you've done it for decades?

[54] Absolutely.

[55] Baja 1 ,000 is Baja Peninsula.

[56] Basically start in Ensenada, race all the way down to La Paz, approximately 1 ,000 miles.

[57] All dirt roads.

[58] All dirt roads.

[59] Some asphalt roads.

[60] Sometimes we can't get through dirt, so we have to get up on the highway and actually race down the highway with the traffic.

[61] As Bud was alluding to, there is no rules.

[62] The highway's wide.

[63] open the race course is wide open there's cattle there's horses there's uh are there speed limits on the highway now there are there didn't used to be yeah they didn't used to be now you know sanctioning bodies the sport is growing a little bit and uh the mexian government does want rob doing i can't do 130 miles now on the highway he can they don't want him to do 130 on so they've they've got us down the 60 but they they it's sections it's really it's kind of like in between rounds and a fight you know you jump on the highway you get time to relax a little bit gets it take a drink of water you're cruising 60 miles an hour and then up ahead about five miles you dump off in the dirt and you're just hauling ass in the dirt and how fast do you go on the dirt the top speed the close to 140 oh jesus yeah yeah we go cross dry lakes 135 140 miles an hour through the whoops you know two and three foot whoops like waves uh -huh anywhere you know from 60 all the way up to 120 across them it's an incredible thing the the wheel travel of these trucks is you know over 20 inches in the front, over 30 inches in the rear.

[64] The tires that we have are 39 inches tall.

[65] They cost a lot of money.

[66] Luckily, both Bud and I are supported by B .F. Goodrich.

[67] It's an incredible, incredible sport.

[68] And like Bud was saying, when he got involved with it, he fell in love with it.

[69] And I did the same thing back in the early 80s.

[70] And I'm addicted to it.

[71] The ball 1 ,000.

[72] It only comes once a year.

[73] You try to win it.

[74] If you don't get it done, you got to wait another 365 days to get down there and do it again.

[75] And it's an awesome feeling.

[76] And it's an awesome feeling.

[77] and you can't wait to get down there and do it.

[78] So these trucks, they have like some sort of special suspension on them where each wheel is kind of independent and they have a lot of wheel travel.

[79] So they can hit these big crazy bumps and it still kind of keeps the thing fairly level.

[80] Is that the idea behind it?

[81] Absolutely.

[82] Got a great analogy there.

[83] Yeah, the front suspension's A -arm, independent.

[84] The rear is actually straight axle, but with, you know, shocks that are four and a half inches in diameter, coil springs that are five inches in diameter, the trucks they work really really well over the bumps they're amazing when you watch them in video you see the wheels just flopping around like they're just just super loose and uh it's a credible thing that it's absolutely amazing yeah they have um i i know dodge makes a truck that's just like a purpose built off road truck that that they sell for like civilians Ford Ford makes a truck well I know Ford makes the Raptor right what a Dodge makes a even more hardcore version of it for the ram you guys are shaking you know no no there must be ford people no we just know the truck industry and both rob and i were in the early stage of develop of the raptor i raced the raptor in o eight rob was in an early development of the other raptor testing and we just had that conversation about testing barago we we know the truck market pretty well dodge has nothing they've they've tried to duplicate it is what they've done there's there's something called a ram runner yeah exactly there's a jammy pull up the video dodd raptor versus ram runner head to head this is what I'm referring to I saw a video online that was...

[85] Have you driven one of those yet?

[86] No, I've driven the Raptor a lot and they're an incredible vehicle and I know...

[87] They're pretty cool that you can buy them like a regular person to buy them.

[88] It's amazing to go to the Ford dealer and get a truck that is capable of doing what the Ford Raptor is.

[89] I'm blowing away.

[90] I've been in the off -road industry for a long time and it's absolutely incredible what the Raptor can do.

[91] Yeah, our neighbor has one of these things.

[92] He uses it to go get groceries.

[93] See, that's the difference between them is that the Raptor, I watched the video, the Raptor is more comfortable driving around.

[94] You could actually use it as a regular car, whereas the Ram Runner is much more like, you know, one of these things, something that you really wouldn't drive on the street.

[95] Yeah, the Ram Runner, I don't know what it is.

[96] I mean, it's probably aftermarket or purpose built by a third party or a second stage manufacturer.

[97] It's not, I don't mean.

[98] So it's not like as mainstream as the Raptor.

[99] They run, they run, and I've talked to them, I've been to the plant, they run like eight F -150s, and then they throw a raptor in there.

[100] 8 -1 -F -150s put a raptor.

[101] I mean, it's a real production vehicle, high -high -number production vehicle.

[102] That was what my point was going to be, is like this type of racing has become so popular that it's sort of bleeding over into the commercial market.

[103] The regular domesticated human beings are buying these trucks that they could just drive out into the desert and go fucking go.

[104] crazy and hit bumps with yeah you used to see we called you know the flat billers you know mimicking the off -road truck buying a ranger putting fiberglass fenders on it raising it up lowering it and i think uh you know for motor companies saw that it's like hey we should build something that you can just buy right off the lot and and they did that i think uh 2008 bud and i both went to got invited go to the outdo some testing with the raptor and and blowing away by it and then they came on the the showroom and you're capable of buying those things for you know under around $50 ,000.

[105] It's an incredible vehicle.

[106] Yeah, they're fast as shit, too, right?

[107] The 6 -2 is really fast.

[108] The motor is incredible.

[109] I beat the crap out of it in our race.

[110] Did 103, 105 across the Diablo Lake Bed.

[111] It's an amazing motor.

[112] That's a stock motor, too.

[113] That's not even pumped up.

[114] My trophy truck's got 900 horsepower.

[115] That's why we can do 140s.

[116] Jesus.

[117] 900 horsepower.

[118] Yeah.

[119] Wow.

[120] They're probably weigh full of 105 gallons of gas gets about two miles a gallon, 900 horsepower, 39 -inch tall -touch.

[121] 105 gallons of gas?

[122] Yeah, like driving a bomb.

[123] In order to get anywhere, you've got to have that much gas because at two miles a gallon, you don't get very far.

[124] It really only gets two miles to the gallon?

[125] Pretty much, that's about the average.

[126] With him driving.

[127] That is hilarious.

[128] That's hilarious.

[129] You have a two -mile to the gallon car.

[130] Wow, 900 horsepower.

[131] It is a bomb.

[132] It's a bomb.

[133] It's a 900 horsepower, 100 and how many gallons?

[134] 105 gallons.

[135] Wow, that's crazy.

[136] So how long can that get you?

[137] Like, it's not always two miles, right?

[138] Like when you're on the highway going 60, they can bump up to eight?

[139] Yeah, it'll go up to probably six.

[140] Whoa, crazy.

[141] We try to go anywhere from, you know, 175 miles to 225 on a tank of gas.

[142] With 900 horsepower, the tires can't go a whole lot farther when you're out there in the desert, spinning them.

[143] It just starts tearing the rubber off them.

[144] So do you have spares in the back, or do you have pit stops?

[145] Both, both.

[146] We carry two spare tires on the back, but we have pits.

[147] Yeah, just two.

[148] But every, you know, 175 miles, we have a full -on fuel pit.

[149] We pull in there and stop.

[150] They'll put, you know, 100 gallons of gas or get it filled back up and change the rear tires on the truck.

[151] And then if we happen to have a flat in between spots, you know, they'll re -rack another tires.

[152] So we pretty much have that plan to racing up and down the Baja Peninsula.

[153] That's about 1 ,100 -mile race.

[154] We'll stop every 200 miles.

[155] If we do the shorter loop races, anywhere from 250 to 500 miles or the other races, go halfway, do tires and fuel and hit it.

[156] So, Bud, when we did, for folks who don't know, Bud produced, he's produced, Jesus Christ, 100 shows.

[157] I mean, how many shows are you produced?

[158] Produced overhauling and rides.

[159] And rides when we did that barracuda, the silver barracuda that we made, that was what, like 2004 or something like that?

[160] Yeah, 2005, yeah.

[161] So that was like right around the year that you were, You were beginning to race.

[162] Yep, right around the time.

[163] And I love Jiu -Jitsu, and I love all the stuff that we used to train together.

[164] And this is kind of my next new passion.

[165] I always had to figure out.

[166] Something new and crazy.

[167] Yeah, I'm going to go to Antarctica.

[168] I'm going to climb out Everest.

[169] I'm going to go do something stupid.

[170] This is my something stupid.

[171] It was really just a – I had so many TV shows on the air at the time.

[172] My sponsor was like, hey, we want to treat you.

[173] Why don't you go down doing this stupid celebrity race?

[174] And then I just haven't returned.

[175] Well, Bud was also, for folks who don't know, was one of the owners of the King of the Cage back in the day.

[176] And Bud and I met at Jiu -Jitsu.

[177] We trained at John Jock Machadoes are both students of John Jocs.

[178] And you were always involved in a bunch of fucking nutty shit.

[179] You're always off doing something Looney Tunes.

[180] But this one, man, this one stuck like glue.

[181] This Baja thing, boy, you would get this look in your eye like a fucking junkie.

[182] When you would start talking about like a crazed crackhead, just looking to get that neck fix.

[183] He's a king junkie.

[184] This guy's mad.

[185] Well, I'm sure, with a 900 horsepower car.

[186] flying around going 140 miles hour over bumps.

[187] It is nothing like you've ever seen, though.

[188] You have to, like I talk to people, like a good friend of mine, Andrew Hendricks.

[189] He raced SCCA for years, right?

[190] So he's got his Mustang.

[191] He's got an Audi.

[192] He's racing SCA in the American Le Mans series, and they're fast, and he's loving it.

[193] He took one ride in a trophy truck, sold his stuff, and he's got five trophy trucks now, and he's going to start racing.

[194] So flat ground got boring?

[195] Flatground always gets boring.

[196] Going around in a fucking circle?

[197] It's stupid.

[198] If you're going around a circle, you're going, I love, left, left, left.

[199] I love it bad for your brain, like bouncing up and down.

[200] I talked to a guy who's an expert in, um, that I know of, there's a lot of shit bad for your brain.

[201] That's what I'm saying.

[202] My whole life, I'm looking at my whole, all my choices.

[203] I'm like, it's amazing.

[204] I talk for a living.

[205] What, I'm not sure there's anything I don't do.

[206] It's not bad for my brain.

[207] Um, but the bouncing around, apparently he was telling me that even just jet skiing, like, or, or, or water skiing, like getting pulled behind a boat and bouncing up and down.

[208] He's like, that's really bad for your brain.

[209] Like, there's nowhere in nature where you like, to -de -de -de -de -de -dee -dee, to -dee, to -dee, hit water and have your head snap up and down like that.

[210] He's like, in nature, it's like, what, running, maybe the occasional jump, you jump over things.

[211] You're avoiding animals that are trying to eat you.

[212] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[213] But you know, the human body is an amazing thing, right?

[214] So my very first race, I don't think I could feel my neck or my head for about three days after.

[215] towards.

[216] My neck was so sore.

[217] And I, at the time, and I've actually been a lot smarter in technologies.

[218] They gave me the heaviest, oldest, craziest helmet.

[219] It must have weighed six pounds.

[220] I here to put this on.

[221] And then I was in the car for 36 hours with this helmet on.

[222] And I thought my head was going to come off.

[223] You get a Mike Tyson neck from that.

[224] Yeah.

[225] So your body do a good workout with a...

[226] I do.

[227] I do one.

[228] For training for the thing, I put a 25 pound plate on my head.

[229] Then I do this.

[230] I do that.

[231] Yeah, I'm not kidding.

[232] I believe you.

[233] You got to, your body start to evolve and could absorb that.

[234] And you actually, and the thing that helps you the most, is you're almost like a drunk driving, you just relax.

[235] Do your seat belts?

[236] Just fucking relax.

[237] You always put, like Rob and I, we'll go take guys for a ride, we do on occasion.

[238] They're over and there's on the holy shit bar, and they're tense, and they're so tense, and their seatbelts are sucked down.

[239] You stop breathing, too.

[240] Yeah.

[241] And they suck their, we actually took a SEAL team guy.

[242] It was on my team in 2009, but he put his seatbell so tight, like, start hurting their clavicle, your clavicles start crushing down to your sternum, your sternness starts separating from your chest.

[243] And I'm not kidding.

[244] He's like, I think my heart hurts.

[245] I'm like, no, I swear to God.

[246] Am I joking?

[247] No, absolutely not.

[248] My heart hurts.

[249] I think I hurt my heart.

[250] I'm like, no, you just, what happens?

[251] Really, you push so much on the clavicle down, sucking down, and your chest is moving.

[252] Separating your ribs?

[253] You're separating the scent of your sternum out.

[254] So like the area that they cut open when they give you open heart surgery?

[255] Yeah, it starts separating.

[256] It gets crudged right here.

[257] And I'm like, you're not having a heart attack.

[258] You just put your things.

[259] Come on, pussy.

[260] Get out of here.

[261] You know I took Josh Barnett Two years ago, yeah I know a lot of MMA guys do it Doesn't Apple Eric Apple He goes down there a lot?

[262] No, he's been down there a lot He does short court racing Yeah, he did short course racing He does a lot of racing He told me he was involved With some horrible, horrible wreck racing It was bad, yeah, he did he did a nose Did you see?

[263] I think it was like Elsinore He was in that West Coast Chill truck Oh yeah They went over and over and over And he yeah he got blood in his eye And got all kind of funky He's the same thing He did the same accent All sorts of bleeding, head bleeding.

[264] Yeah.

[265] And he's a novice.

[266] He's a great friend of ours.

[267] He's a novice.

[268] He hasn't raced as much.

[269] But yeah, that was...

[270] Well, he's another fucking nut, right?

[271] I mean, he started out his career doing...

[272] Motorcycle racing.

[273] Yeah, motorcycle racing.

[274] They got into MMA.

[275] And now another crazy adrenaline junkie.

[276] The idea behind this is all based on competition.

[277] It's one of the things we were talking about.

[278] Like, there's very little money in this.

[279] Yeah, for...

[280] It's really...

[281] You know, it's a beautiful...

[282] sport because you don't really have to have a lot of money to get in certain classes.

[283] And then there's the upper echelon class, like Rob's class, and there's not, and I'll stop talking a minute, there's not a lot of money into it.

[284] But I don't think there's a lot, how much money is in yacht racing?

[285] I mean, all the really big sports or things that are on a bucket list, you know, there's not a lot of money in climbing on Mount Everest.

[286] It's actually cost you 25 grand if you want to go do it.

[287] It's just one of those things you have to go do.

[288] Right.

[289] It's passion driven.

[290] I mean, we get addicted to it.

[291] It's like a drug and we end up spending everything that we have to do it.

[292] The smaller classes, the they run anywhere from 20 to 50 grand.

[293] Trophy trucks, like I drive, they're $500 ,000.

[294] That's a $500 ,000 truck?

[295] Yep.

[296] Oh, my God.

[297] Should pull up a picture in one of those?

[298] What would he look for it?

[299] Trophy trucks.

[300] No, just to Rob McCackern.

[301] Do you have one on your site?

[302] Yeah, yeah.

[303] Yeah, Rob McCackern .com.

[304] You'll pull it up.

[305] You know, for me, too, there's a mystique around Baja for some reason.

[306] It's all basically, you go, the essence of cool, As you're trying to figure yourself out in your 20s and your 30s and you look back at Steve McQueen, guys like Steve McQueen and James Gardner and all these other cool, Paul Newman, they all have raced the race.

[307] I mean, they did this race before, and they went down there, and they race, I mean, McQueen almost won it a couple times.

[308] Really?

[309] Paul Newman raced it when he was 80.

[310] It was 80 went down to their race.

[311] I mean, these cool guys.

[312] That might be what killed them.

[313] Yeah.

[314] Poor bastard.

[315] These cool guys want to go down there and race.

[316] So there's a cool mystique to it.

[317] I mean, the list of celebrities and people want to go down there in race is just interesting.

[318] Yeah, I guess.

[319] It's a very strange thing that this has become.

[320] So is that the truck?

[321] Yeah, that's the image of your trophy truck.

[322] Yep, that's actually a short -course truck there.

[323] I do short -course racing, too.

[324] That's a pro too.

[325] Why is there a naked girl next to you?

[326] Does she race with you?

[327] That would make racing better.

[328] Absolutely.

[329] That's rock star, the image.

[330] Always have the ladies in the posters.

[331] Oh, rock star energy drink, is what you're saying.

[332] And not like one of those dudes like, I'm a rock star.

[333] I'm out there driving around.

[334] I'm a rock star.

[335] No. He's the most humble driver out there.

[336] There's a lot of guys out there.

[337] I just wanted to let people know who are just listening.

[338] A lot of people watch this.

[339] More people listen and watch it.

[340] So the idea behind it came when?

[341] Like, what year did this race get created?

[342] I don't know.

[343] Probably in the early 60s.

[344] Want to hear my version of?

[345] Go ahead.

[346] And then I'll fix it.

[347] I read once.

[348] No, in 62.

[349] I'll tell exactly how it happened.

[350] The 62, the Honda Motor Company decided that they were going to put out two Enduro bikes, right, in 1962.

[351] Steve McQueen's stunt guy, his name's Dave Ekins.

[352] Bud Ekins was his stunt double in a lot of the races, and I'll make this short.

[353] They said, how are we going to test these bike and market to Americans?

[354] These guys are just racers and idiots, and they wanted to go, okay, we're going to go, and swear to God, this is what happened.

[355] They went in 1962.

[356] They went to Tijuana.

[357] They went to Western Union.

[358] They timestamp a card, and they went down to La Pazette.

[359] and they timestamped a card.

[360] No navigation, no nothing, and it made the Baja Peninsula.

[361] That was the very first run in the 60s that happened.

[362] And then all of a sudden, so they did a time.

[363] It's kind of like, you know, the gumball rally?

[364] This is like the gumball rally, but on dirt with a huge car.

[365] So they did their rally, and then they posted a time.

[366] We did that in 35 minutes.

[367] So then somebody else came back, or 35 hours, sorry.

[368] Somebody else came back says, okay, wait, well, we can beat that.

[369] So they did it in 32 hours.

[370] And if you look at the heritage of people going down there, saying, I can beat that.

[371] And then trucks started going down there, and then cars started going down there.

[372] And then in 67, there was a race.

[373] 67, there was a race, the Nora, right?

[374] It was the first Nora.

[375] And then an icon in my world, right, Mickey Thompson, who's an icon of motorsports for everything that he's done in land speed and off -road and everything.

[376] Is he the guy that drove the rocket car?

[377] Yeah, he did.

[378] He built landspeed records for off.

[379] Yeah.

[380] He did every, he's, Mickey Thompson in the motorsports world is just a, it's a, is just a genius.

[381] He's just kind of a pioneer in a lot of ways.

[382] He was always like ahead of the game.

[383] He was always building and pioneering something before it's time.

[384] Him and Perlman got together and said, let's do a race.

[385] So they started off in Tijuana and there was a couple hundred guys.

[386] I mean, Gardner was in there, Steve McQueen was in.

[387] There were guys, I'm not kidding, they had shoulder pads, like football shoulder pads on, on a motorcycle, drop the flag, and they all go.

[388] Wow.

[389] Wow.

[390] So that's what started it all off.

[391] It's the wild frontier, and it's, I'm telling you, there's no rules.

[392] Someone's in your way, you honk nicely, and if they don't move, you move them.

[393] Like, you punt them.

[394] Like, you run into them with cars?

[395] Yes.

[396] So humans or cars?

[397] You're running into humans or you're running into cars?

[398] Cars.

[399] Depends on the day.

[400] For me, it's cars.

[401] Try not to run into humans.

[402] That's not good.

[403] But you told me that there's a lot of shenanigans that go on with, like, the locals.

[404] Like, the locals know that this event is going to take place.

[405] A lot of what we talked about, we talked about before we went on live on the air.

[406] But besides the fact that they try to touch the cars, like, if you see the videos, like, I don't know how much of the stuff can we show.

[407] We can't play the music.

[408] Is that what it is?

[409] No, you can play all the other ones, the other videos I sent you.

[410] Here's a video right here.

[411] Look how wide that fucking thing is.

[412] Yeah, it's about 92 inches wide, which is about 15 inches wider than a normal truck.

[413] There we are going across the dry lake about 1 .30.

[414] And that's your trophy truck.

[415] Yeah, that's a trophy truck.

[416] That's Baja, California.

[417] Oh, that looks fun.

[418] It is fun.

[419] But look how close those people get.

[420] Yeah, down there in Baja.

[421] I mean, this is the biggest sport that they have, and they wait year -round for us to come down there, and they have such huge passion for it like I do.

[422] At times, they want to touch the truck.

[423] You'll go by and you'll see them trying to reach out and grab the truck.

[424] Some of the other things, the shenanigans they do is build jumps, booby traps, we call them.

[425] And they crash a lot of cars, but what they're doing is they want to see the excitement.

[426] They want to see the truck or the buggy hit the jump and fly through the air and get pictures.

[427] One thing it's always funny about Mexico is you see that they have the phone cameras.

[428] And I think you can piece together your whole race by them with their phone cameras.

[429] If they all posted it, you could pretty much put the whole race together.

[430] Because there's thousands.

[431] So I'll put a perspective.

[432] So first of all, the Mexican people are amazing.

[433] They're amazing to us.

[434] And it sounds like I'm making excuses for them, but they are innocent enough where they just decide, like, they truly, and I had to learn this the hard way.

[435] I had a celebrity in my car and I was driving.

[436] But that's just a random celebrity?

[437] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[438] No, I had actually Chip Foose.

[439] I had Chip Foose with me in my car.

[440] Okay.

[441] And we're driving, and I'm doing about 90, just a random dirt road.

[442] And I see a bunch of people over here, right?

[443] Okay, I got to make sure to watch them, make sure they're not darting out in front of me. And there's some random people over here with a fire, and there's a lot of them.

[444] And it's dusk.

[445] And they both have fires on the side of them.

[446] this road and I'm like this is strange what are those fucking people doing on side of the road boom and I hit a telephone pole they buried in the middle of the road right and I went up like this and I'm coming down like at 90 miles and I'm like oh fuck this is going to be terrible luckily the car absorbed it we nerfed in bounced off and kept gone I didn't even see the telephone pull because I'm an idiot I'm a newbie and I'm looking a bunch of Mexicans over there is a bunch of guys over that's really nice of these people coming out to see us so they thought it was cute to set up this booby trap just to watch people try to jump it and go flying through the air.

[447] Well, I think, you know, I think the rednecks would do the same thing.

[448] If you let, if you didn't have those fences at the Daytona 500 and they could actually, you know, fix the outcome, like, we're going to see if Dale Jr. could jump this car, right?

[449] Oh, for sure.

[450] They would do it.

[451] But that's what it is in Mexico.

[452] There's no fences.

[453] There's no fences.

[454] There's no fences.

[455] They're able to go wherever they want.

[456] Well, and the capabilities of these trucks are pretty extraordinary.

[457] They're very different than anything that a NASCAR car could do.

[458] They're not necessary.

[459] I have a belief.

[460] Some people throw bottles and shit like that, but they're not necessarily out to kill us or hurt us because actually after they wreck us, they'll help us wreck before in a booby trap, and they'll roll a car over.

[461] They'll help you fix a car with a welder.

[462] They'll get help you change a tire and they'll push you on your way.

[463] They not only throw bottles, but they throw rocks sometimes.

[464] They've thrown snakes in the cab of the truck.

[465] They've thrown snakes in the cab of the truck to you?

[466] No, it didn't happen to me, but my partner with MasterCraft.

[467] Racing, he was coming in to Ensonata coming to the finish at night, and they...

[468] Robbie?

[469] No, yeah, Robbie Pierce from MasterCraft.

[470] They got a snake thrown in the cab of the truck.

[471] Holy shit.

[472] Thankfully, it's not me, because I don't really care for snakes.

[473] What kind of snake?

[474] I don't know.

[475] Who cares?

[476] Well, if it's poisonous or non -poisonous?

[477] Who cares if you're driving 80 miles an hour to snake hits them?

[478] When you look down, it could be, it might be a cobra at that point.

[479] If you're really hardcore, you put it in your teeth and you keep driving.

[480] It's bite down on the head and you fuck you.

[481] At that point, you just pull over and get the fuck out of that.

[482] the car.

[483] So was technology developed specifically for this race to figure out how to drive fast and hit those bumps?

[484] Because this all, I mean, I'm fairly ignorant to, I mean, I kind of understand suspensions.

[485] I kind of see, but it's pretty obvious when I look at your trophy truck.

[486] There's some extraordinary equipment on that.

[487] Yeah, absolutely.

[488] It's developed over the years.

[489] You know, like when it, when Bud was telling the story earlier, how it started in the 60s, they were taking stock trucks down there putting a little bit bigger tires on them taking the windshields at them stuff like that see putting some extra seatbelts in them and now it's just developed into you know big tall tires that weigh tire and wheel probably weighs 150 pounds a piece wow shocks 15 ,000 dollars for a set of shocks for the truck nine -hulled horsepower like I said uh some of us has automatic trannies some of a manual trannies um lights like a baseball stadium of kc lights as a sponsor and run seven of them on the roof and seven them on the front bumper and you can see a mile down the road and light up the whole desert.

[490] And over the years, we keep developing, making the things better, and it's the whole ego thing.

[491] You want to be the first one to La Paz.

[492] And you're constantly thinking about what can you do, what can you make, what can you build to make it go faster.

[493] Well, go ahead.

[494] No, please.

[495] No, I mean, there's an entire industry that was spawned off of this.

[496] This is a halo, right?

[497] So trophy trucks and Baja Racing is a halo for any brand.

[498] It doesn't really matter what it is.

[499] We entertain brands like we said Ford, B. F. Gertrich, K .C., they can go down there and conquer Baja.

[500] GoPro, you name the company, and they want to go to Baja.

[501] And they always come to me because I'm the media guy, and they're like, how do we do this?

[502] I don't know.

[503] I'll hook up with the Tofi truck, and we'll go beat the shit out of your product and see if it works.

[504] There's an entire industry, if you go to SEMA, which is that big, you know, aftermarket parts thing, there's an entire industry which is dedicated off road.

[505] And the halo of off road is Baja 1 ,000 racing.

[506] It's the halo.

[507] It doesn't really, you know how we, when you say it's the halo, what do you mean by that?

[508] It's really the pinnacle.

[509] If you go to racing, like NASCAR, F -1, you know, stuff is developed and then trickles down.

[510] So there is a pass -through from everything that Rob is, because he complains a lot, everything that Rob complain, because it's not fast enough, it's not good enough.

[511] That's how you get a 900 horsepower truck that goes two miles of the gallon.

[512] He'll talk to his shock comes, I hit a shock, I hit this bump one time at 85 miles an hour.

[513] And I felt it.

[514] I felt it.

[515] I don't want to feel it.

[516] I drive, all due respect, he drives a fucking pillow.

[517] I mean, that thing, it drives, it just, it drives.

[518] So when you're going all over those crazy bumps and shit, you're fairly level.

[519] Nothing.

[520] He feels nothing.

[521] You do feel a little bit, but it's incredible.

[522] It's an analogy we have is it's like riding on a marshmallow.

[523] When you jump and you land, it's like just falling like you're landing on a marshmallow.

[524] Wow.

[525] And that's the development over all the years.

[526] And thankfully, I'm in the trophy truck class, which is the elite class.

[527] I've worked my way up from the bottom, driven through them all, and definitely don't want to go back.

[528] Thanks.

[529] Well, what's the difference?

[530] The bottom ones, like, what are there, how many classes are there?

[531] Well, there's, there's more than 10 classes.

[532] There's probably six or eight truck classes, and there's six or eight buggy classes, and there's also motorcycles.

[533] And ATVs.

[534] And ATVs, all these, there ends up being over 20 classes at the bottom 1 ,000, and they all compete against their own class.

[535] They all start at their own time together against the clock.

[536] They don't, we're not racing, we were racing altogether at the track at the same time, but we're separated by start time.

[537] So you're really racing the clock.

[538] You do have traffic.

[539] You do have to get by the guys.

[540] And to get the win.

[541] What is what happened there?

[542] I'm so used to bud jumping in on me. You're flinching.

[543] So when you're driving these things, it's very different than the cheaper trucks.

[544] Yeah.

[545] I want to say cheaper, because none of them are cheap, but the different classes.

[546] Yeah, well, the different classes.

[547] Because you've got to have your entry -level classes.

[548] Exactly.

[549] You've got to have your entry -level classes, and they're a lot more stock.

[550] They don't have as much wheel travel.

[551] They got eight or ten inches of wheel travel in the truck, smaller tires.

[552] They're just restricted a lot more.

[553] And those cars are a lot more difficult.

[554] They beat you up a lot more.

[555] They take a lot longer to get down the peninsula.

[556] Yeah, that's what I was going to get at.

[557] So, like, when you first started out, you took much more of a beating.

[558] Yeah, absolutely.

[559] So now, like, that's why you're into these really cushy rides.

[560] Like, you've been there, done that.

[561] I've been there, done that.

[562] I want to work my way up and get to the top of the sport.

[563] I've been doing it for 30 years, and I've been in the elite class since the mid -90s.

[564] So this is a good vehicle for the apocalypse, except for the fact that he uses so much fuel.

[565] Yeah, but if you have gun, you can get fuel.

[566] Yeah, but you've got to make your own fuel at a certain point.

[567] I mean, you're not running diesel, right?

[568] No. See, that's the problem.

[569] You know, Neil Young makes his own diesel?

[570] I think Darrell Hanna makes your own diesel out of vegetable oil and crap like that.

[571] Yeah.

[572] Well, Neil Young apparently has his gigantic farm.

[573] He has like a thousand -plus acre ranch in Northern California, and he makes his own biodiesel and runs all his vehicles off of his own gasoline so he's completely totally off the grid.

[574] They do like a conversion on the old Mercedes?

[575] Yeah, you can do a conversion on any kind of old car.

[576] Well, even new cars, apparently.

[577] On the diesel, right?

[578] You can do conversions to biodiesel.

[579] Yeah, we have to...

[580] Actually, I was going to run one year I was working...

[581] What does that show that picture of Jamie, would you put up?

[582] Neil Young's 59 Lincoln runs on biodiesel and can be plugged in.

[583] Wow.

[584] I like that.

[585] That's pretty dope.

[586] I was working on a deal where I was going to do a truck, an all -electric truck down there.

[587] Oh.

[588] Instead of switching up gas.

[589] Is that possible?

[590] Yeah, it's possible.

[591] I mean, the lithium batteries, because I was involved with a truck company, and they, you know, my answer is very stock.

[592] Like, what can we do to market this thing?

[593] Race it.

[594] I don't want to care what it is.

[595] It could be a mini bike.

[596] My answer is race it.

[597] We should probably go race it, right?

[598] I don't care.

[599] Could you do a, I mean, is it feasible that you could have enough battery power to do that?

[600] Sure.

[601] Yeah, and the torque would be amazing.

[602] That's why I want to do it.

[603] Torque on those electric motors are amazing.

[604] The problem is I don't think you would go.

[605] Our pits are, my pits, not his.

[606] My pits are about 120 miles apart, and that'd be hard to get there.

[607] Yeah, my buddy, Aubrey has one of those Teslas, and the pickup is incredible.

[608] Like, I was really shocked at how fast those things go.

[609] Like, the zero to 60s, like four seconds.

[610] It's bananas.

[611] And it's weird because there's no gears.

[612] It's just, you're just going.

[613] It's not like, it's very digital it's just it's very much like a spaceship you just you hit the grass completely silent you hear the tires rolling on the rubber or the rubber rolling on the concrete and that's it you don't hear anything it's very strange that'd be a little bit scary in Baja because the spectators they're used to hear in the race vehicle come in electric they probably wouldn't hear it coming right we could play that noise we could play that poker music or something on it yeah there you go how many You would have to have so many batteries, though.

[614] What I'm thinking is, like a Tesla, if you go from the beginning, fully charged to the end, you're getting like 300 miles, I think?

[615] Yeah, but that's all I would need to do.

[616] We planned it out.

[617] It would be 120 miles through charge.

[618] So you build a carriage underneath, which are about 7, 800 pounds of batteries, and then you get to the next pit, you have a fully charged set of batteries.

[619] You drop that carriage, put that carriage in, bolt it back up.

[620] I'd be in my own class, and I could provide them, whatever company was, at the time it was a company called Phoenix, I could provide them with a Baja 1 ,000 win as a marketing campaign.

[621] Has Ford or any of these other countries have ever thought about doing something like that?

[622] Ford is amazing at it because they do use Baja a lot.

[623] Last year I raced the brand new F150, the 2015 F150, which is a twin turbocharged V6 in the stock class.

[624] That stock suspension, stocked, everything's stock on the car, twin turbocharged V6.

[625] And we did the Raptor together.

[626] I did the Raptor together.

[627] I did the Raptor in wait.

[628] He was on the testing.

[629] and I raced the F -150 last year.

[630] And when you race an F -150, how much of it is different than what you would buy off a showroom floor?

[631] Nothing.

[632] Roll cage.

[633] We had a fuel cell roll cage, spare tire.

[634] That one, I had a radio, and we had cup holders.

[635] I remember looking at some of the videos as a cup holder.

[636] You can look up online.

[637] F -150 races to the Baja 1 ,000.

[638] There's me, and you're going to laugh at me. That's it right there.

[639] That seems pretty different.

[640] No, that's not.

[641] That's not.

[642] No, you'll see my.

[643] It's the 2012 ballroom.

[644] And they pissed me off because I told them They did this to make me mad But they made me wear a white driving suit For folks you don't know Bud wears Bud you're the weirdest fucking dude I've ever met when it comes to clothes You go over Bud's house He's got all black pants All black shirts His whole fucking wardrobe His entire closet is black shirts Black pants black t -shirts Black underwear I'm assuming Yeah Black socks Black sneakers He just doesn't want to think about colors no so when they they hit you with some white did you wear it or did you just get a marker sharp i was i was pretty up luckily i didn't have to get in the car at the beginning and i am in the rain was uh the weather was pretty cold so i had a black slicker i put on the top so it rained on you and you rolled around the dirt i've been trying in your white driver's seat i've been trying to get bud high for so long to get him to smoke pot and i'm like the first thing you're going to do is throw away those fucking black clothes you're going to go what all these pretty colors i could choose just let me get a Let me get a little color.

[645] So when I get stoned, I start wearing pastels?

[646] You'll start enjoying different colors.

[647] You start realizing how ridiculous she is.

[648] We turn you into Andy Dick and you can wear pastels.

[649] It's not Andy Dick.

[650] I'm saying you have an appreciation for other colors.

[651] No. No. I think if I smoke pot, which I'm not going to, I'd be more into the dark lord world and I'll have just maybe skulls on my t -shirts.

[652] Wow.

[653] You would get darker?

[654] Yeah.

[655] Okay.

[656] Now, when you drive an air, F -150.

[657] Do you use, like, regular tires?

[658] Like, you take tires that are right off of a showroom floor?

[659] Yeah, we had the new B .F. Kroo -2s that we raced on this truck.

[660] Normal suspension.

[661] Regular F -150 suspension.

[662] Stock.

[663] Dude, we went hunting at Tihon Ranch up in, like, it's near Bakersfield.

[664] For TV, right?

[665] You did that?

[666] No, no, no. This was a recent one.

[667] We went wild pig hunting.

[668] Tohone Ranch is, this huge ranch.

[669] It's 1 ,700 ,000 acres.

[670] Biggest ranch in California.

[671] Huge place.

[672] And this guy, Cody, who's one of the guides there, one of the hunting guides, drove us all around an F -150.

[673] And I mean, talking horrific terrain.

[674] And this fucking thing is driving over rocks.

[675] And I was so impressed.

[676] I was like, this is like one of the best commercials for an F -150 you could ever get.

[677] Just going to, like, if you're thinking about buying one of these things, what's an F -150 cable of?

[678] Go fucking drive around to a hone ranch for a couple of days in one of these things and think if you would want to do this on anything else.

[679] This is what I – oh, that's the Raptor that Rob – Rob and I were involved with the development of.

[680] So that's a custom Raptor.

[681] That's not like a – Yeah, we race that in Class 8, and we built it out.

[682] But that one still had the stock motor.

[683] Yeah, stock motor, stock dash.

[684] We did have custom suspension on it.

[685] Actually, that's what caused me to race the F -150 last year.

[686] Is they like, okay, well, we built the Raptor a little bit, and, you know, people start chatting now online, like, oh, that wasn't really stock.

[687] So they made us race a stock car.

[688] Oh, so just not even a Raptor, just a regular F -150.

[689] A regular F -150, regular.

[690] Now, did you bottom out at all with that?

[691] That's probably an understatement, yeah, yeah.

[692] You don't bottom out with your truck?

[693] We do, but we're going, you know, three times as fast as the stock truck.

[694] So it bottoms out.

[695] You don't feel it quite as bad.

[696] It doesn't do as much damage.

[697] So the bottom of your F -150 was completely stock as well, no plates or anything.

[698] We had a, no, we definitely had a scam.

[699] skid plate underneath the front on them to protect the motor underneath yeah because we bottomed out a lot that's what you see in the front of the raptor that front piece that comes down out that's a skid plate yeah so you just installed something along those lines yep that's it yep wow and then after we raced it and then the car was in such good shape but i can't even believe because this year was what last year see if you pull up that video f -150 races baha yeah it's a two thousand you'll see it and we put it up online um the forward f -150s new f -150 races conquers baha um they This was a tough, 2012, 2013, sorry, was the single toughest Baja 1 ,000 I've ever seen.

[700] Why is that?

[701] I don't know.

[702] Roger Norman, who owns score, decided it was his first Baja 1 ,000 course.

[703] This is my opinion, I'll let Rob talk.

[704] It was his first Baja 1 ,000.

[705] He wanted to make a statement.

[706] He's a former racer.

[707] He wanted to make it the worst fucking course you ever, ever could drive.

[708] And it was tough.

[709] It was hard and slow and fast and gnarly.

[710] How do they change it?

[711] He just marks the course.

[712] He goes down.

[713] So this is the F -150?

[714] This is it right here?

[715] Yeah, that's it.

[716] That's a stock F -150 with just the lights on it.

[717] Yep.

[718] Wow.

[719] That's you driving that thing?

[720] Yep.

[721] I have the blue helmet sitting in my...

[722] It's a great F -150 fucking commercial.

[723] I mean, Ford's really smart doing this.

[724] I'm fucking never thought about racing in my life.

[725] And now I'm thinking, God, I've got to do this.

[726] Go with Rob.

[727] Yeah, you got to do it.

[728] That's the way to go.

[729] Go straight to the top.

[730] Trophy truck.

[731] Next time you're in Vegas, he lives in Vegas.

[732] Next time you're in Vegas, he'll take you out to prim and go for a ride.

[733] You'll shit yourself.

[734] I'm there in May. I'm there in May. for the UFC.

[735] Incontinent.

[736] I'll tell you what.

[737] We'll make a deal.

[738] I'll get you UFC tickets.

[739] You take me for a fucking beat ride in the desert.

[740] We're in.

[741] His girlfriend would love that.

[742] Amber would love to go to the UFC.

[743] Yeah.

[744] All right, beautiful.

[745] It's a good event, too.

[746] That's T .J. Dillshaw versus Hennon Burrow.

[747] It should be fun.

[748] Now, you guys have been involved in this for a long time.

[749] How much is the popularity increased over the last few years?

[750] Because it seems like there's a lot of exposure.

[751] Like, I'm hearing about it all the time.

[752] Maybe I'm hearing about it just because I'm friends with Bud.

[753] But, I mean, I'm seeing it online.

[754] I'm seeing, like, a lot of these crazy, like, ram -runner -type trucks are being built.

[755] Yeah, popular, it's, you know, I've been doing for 32 years, and it's increased.

[756] Bud's definitely helping out a lot with score this year, you know, with television production, getting us out there on TV, putting very good shows together.

[757] I think here at the end of April, I think April 20th, we'll be on.

[758] We just did a deal with CBS.

[759] You know, I just, I told them this great story.

[760] I won my race in 2012 in my class.

[761] And then Roger Norman, who's a new owner, came up to me and I swear to God.

[762] He's like, well, now you're a champion, you can produce TV for me. It was what he said to me. It's like, great.

[763] And I get to happy because, you know me is I do TV, I do all my stuff.

[764] So now I get to kind of merge, and I always seem to do this, merge my two hobbies together.

[765] When I was doing jiu -jitsu, we had King of the Cage, right?

[766] Right, because I got to have a reason and really a television vehicle to do something, because then I get to kind of be cool in a sport.

[767] Well, you're kind of a workaholic, and it helps you when you're doing jiu -jitsu.

[768] Well, you know, hey, I need to know what the fuck's going on when I'm watching fights.

[769] Exactly right.

[770] So it's a way to sort of make a hobby a part of your job.

[771] But you do, my immersion style, like Rob will tell you, like I've a race for 10 years and now I'm producing a TV, there's not much I haven't done their experience down there, not like Rob has, but he, I know the racers feel comfortable.

[772] Just like, you know, when you're commentating a fight, the fighters feel comfortable that you're commentating going.

[773] You know what the fuck they're doing, the setups.

[774] I know what they're doing in the car.

[775] I've been on the course.

[776] Right, right, right.

[777] And not in the super trucks, but I've been down there going, I know that course, I know what he's doing, this is what happens, that's a booby trap.

[778] So when we're editing the show, I get to bring my experience into it.

[779] Yeah, that's got to help a lot for the riders, for the drivers.

[780] Yeah, absolutely.

[781] He has as much more passion than I do, just riding around with him today and listening to talk about all his stuff and how jacked up he gets when he watches the videos and stuff.

[782] He's like a kid in the candy store.

[783] Yeah, Bud's fucking show Rides is what got me to...

[784] I've never thought about buying a classic car, but I watched this show Rides.

[785] I'm like, God damn, I want to get one of those that looks fucking cool.

[786] I think the show's coming back, by the way.

[787] Rides is coming back?

[788] It should come back.

[789] You have space right back there.

[790] You can put two more cars.

[791] There's space.

[792] I got a little garage.

[793] You can put two cars in?

[794] I'm thinking of expanding.

[795] I think of getting a bigger place that I can put an archery range in.

[796] There's an archery range here, whether you know it or not, there's targets in the back, and there's a straight shot, 28 -e, yards from the front door to the back.

[797] You got to tag the werewolf?

[798] Is that what you got to do?

[799] No, I have a compound bow site back there.

[800] That's normal.

[801] A compound bow target back there.

[802] Absolutely normal.

[803] Well, my new thing is hunting, and I've been doing that the last couple years.

[804] I'm fucking bananas about that, the way you're bananas about racing.

[805] So I'm trying to incorporate that into my life.

[806] Yeah, but we do that too.

[807] Yeah.

[808] Kill animals on the racecourse every once in a while?

[809] Yeah, but I don't think that's hunting.

[810] I think that's just traffic jam.

[811] That's just livestock getting on the race course.

[812] Yeah, back to the course getting tougher.

[813] How do they make the course tougher?

[814] Rob, you can enter that.

[815] Roger looks at the maps, tries to figure out the roughest, worst spots on the whole Baja Peninsula, and then tries to mark the course so it goes through all that.

[816] He wanted to make a statement, wanted to make Baja tougher than ever, and he did it last 2013.

[817] It was a loop race from Ensenada to Ensenada.

[818] It wasn't a peninsula run, but he went to all.

[819] all the worst parts of Baja and had us run through it.

[820] So they changed the actual place you go to.

[821] So there's no benefit.

[822] Oh, every year.

[823] Every year.

[824] Every year the course gets different.

[825] Absolutely.

[826] Every year it's different.

[827] Maybe runs the opposite direction.

[828] Just different areas.

[829] Because that becomes a big issue with like, say like the Nürberg ring, which is the benchmark that they use to test performance cars.

[830] The issue becomes when guys have raced the Nureberg ring so many times, they know exactly when to slow down, exactly when to speed up.

[831] And that has a big effect on those Nureberg ring times because, you know, everyone's chasing that seven minute time around the Nureberg ring.

[832] And now sub -seven minute in that portion 9 -18, they've managed to go sub -seven minutes, which is fucking insane.

[833] But a lot of that is those guys knowing that course.

[834] Absolutely.

[835] You don't have that.

[836] No. Our stuff changes every time.

[837] It's different.

[838] Even loop races, every time you come around, there's already been 100 other cars that have been there since you had.

[839] And it's completely different.

[840] Silt beds, rocks are moved.

[841] So that's part of the thing that's so interesting about our sport is never the same.

[842] Well, it's interesting.

[843] And it's also, the mayhem starts with the organizer.

[844] So I want to put in perspective for it.

[845] So you know what a tough mudder is, right?

[846] I've heard the expression.

[847] So a tough muddur are those, you know, those races they put through obstacle courses and through mud holes, and you're going to take over here to climb up a wall and then go through fire and crawl through bobwire fence.

[848] This is like a tough mudder.

[849] Our organizer, which is Roger and some of the guys who mark the course, they want, they, The mayhem starts with them Because they'll put us through shit And they know we're going to get stuck Or they'll go If he's not paying attention He's going to hit that rock He's going to go flipping off the edge And that'll be great These guys are sadistic pricks So they're saying We're going to set up a rock there To make sure We're going to set up the course By a rock So if you don't pay attention You're going to go flying off the edge of a cliff Yes And I've been I'm not kidding Sometimes it's really weird You'll be reading the terrain You'll come up over this rise And there's a left -hand turn And if you don't pay attention, you're off.

[850] Oh, Jesus Christ.

[851] So it starts with this sadistic pricks that are down there marking the course.

[852] Am I wrong?

[853] No, absolutely right.

[854] Well, you told me once that you were driving and you came upon a wreck and a guy had his bones sticking through his leg.

[855] A guy broke his leg.

[856] Right.

[857] And you flipped off the side of a cliff and you had to get down there and locals were starting to creep in and it got real sketchy.

[858] No, no, that wasn't.

[859] You're mixing two stories.

[860] Am I?

[861] Yeah, the Josh Barnett story, and then our wreck, we had my team in 07, the BF Koduchin, O7, had one of the worst wrecks in the planet.

[862] Everybody thought the two drivers were dead, and I had to go in and get them.

[863] And this is part of...

[864] Again, this is an adventure race.

[865] It's not car racing.

[866] This is an adventure race.

[867] And what happened in ours, this is our BC car went off the cliff at San Javier.

[868] And to guys like us, you say he went off the cliff at San Javier.

[869] It's fucking crazy.

[870] Because it's...

[871] How far?

[872] 300 feet.

[873] And there are sections on the course.

[874] where they're inverted where it's like this and you just hit luckily the car dropped 300 feet rolled seven times 300 feet destroyed the car and I didn't know because I went we were just talking about it too I went I was down in Loretto we went down to La Paz and I got a call to go back to Loretto because our car's in trouble and we can't find the car and I didn't know where he's at and then the guys in the car call my wife two o 'clock in a morning that's not good to call my wife on the sat phone even though I told them how to use a sat phone they're like and they're they're they're they sound all fucked up.

[875] They're like, uh, is bud there?

[876] And Adrian's like, what the fuck?

[877] So she calls me on my sad phone, goes like, somebody just called here from the house.

[878] I'm like, all right, would they say they were at?

[879] It's like, no, they just hung up.

[880] So now our car is off the course.

[881] We know it's not moving because they can track it.

[882] We don't know where they're at.

[883] We could kind of tell where they were the last time.

[884] So I did this, again, this is an adventure race.

[885] And Rob's got seven million of these stories.

[886] I'll tell you one stupid story.

[887] And then I'll shut up because I've been talking.

[888] too much.

[889] You keep saying I'm going to shut up.

[890] You better stop saying that.

[891] You're not supposed to shut up.

[892] You're supposed to be here doing a podcast.

[893] But not on me. You're too self -deprecating, you fuck.

[894] I'm the douchebeg.

[895] Shut up.

[896] You're my friend.

[897] Tell your goddamn story.

[898] All right.

[899] So we're racing and I remember it was Kenny Barcham.

[900] These two guys in the car, there was Tracy Jordan, who's a rock crawler, King of the Hammer's guy, and Kenny Barchum.

[901] Kenny was this, you know, famous guy who Cowboy Kenny does he does a nuclear cowboy stuff and he's an FMX guy.

[902] I'm a motorist motorcross guy.

[903] So I told him, I got said, get in the car, San Javier is very dangerous, settle yourself down, get through San Javier, and then you can haul ass, you know, down to La Paz.

[904] No problem.

[905] 13 miles from the pit.

[906] 13 miles from the pit is straight down, and he knows I'm not lying.

[907] It's up a twisty road, and there's cliffs on one side.

[908] You're on the side of the mountain for 13 miles, and there's a cliff on the side of the road.

[909] Real tight, twisty stuff, don't make a mistake.

[910] And let me tell you why.

[911] Because 200 years ago, some priest, this is actually true, 200 years ago, some.

[912] priest on a donkey they used to what they used to do with the missions they used to be two days missions used to be two days apart they'd set a mission here and then him and a donkey and somebody else would go up a road and after the second day they'd land and they'd build another mission right there and then two days later they'd do it so up this hill this donkey trail going up this hill this guy and I talked to him I had Thanksgiving dinner with him he hung a wheel off it off the corner and said oh shit hold on six times he counted the revolution the revolution's going over and over and all of a sudden there was nothing and then they hit and the co -driver was knocked out he had a compression bruise from his helmet um compression bruise like his helmet got hit and they put a bruise on his skull from the from the roll cage so i have so my story is i get to loretto and nobody's there we're so be far behind there was no pit there's no support and there's one guy picking up cans i'm in my race suit i studied jihitsu i'm a badass right okay so i go up to this guy and i i look at at him, and he's an older guy's in his 60s.

[913] I really didn't feel like talking.

[914] I just said, give me your keys.

[915] He looked at me, excuse me?

[916] I said, give me your keys.

[917] I have an injured driver.

[918] I need your truck.

[919] So he reaches in his pocket.

[920] I was going to beat his ass.

[921] I didn't care.

[922] I was going to take his truck.

[923] You were going to take his truck?

[924] I have an injured driver on the course.

[925] So why wouldn't you just ask him to help you?

[926] Yeah, I don't know.

[927] You were just full with adrenaline, crazy, and I was tired.

[928] Panicked.

[929] You stay up for three days and go, I'm not staying up for three days.

[930] You stay up for 36 hours and they go, excuse me, sir, I'm not English.

[931] So you just said, give me your keys.

[932] I said, give me your keys.

[933] You're lucky you didn't get shot.

[934] Yeah, that's true.

[935] So he reaches in his pocket, and he hands out, and he goes, can I go with you?

[936] I'm like, sure, get in.

[937] So I grab his truck, and it was a stocked Toyota truck, and we go down this riverbed, the riverbed, which was terrible by.

[938] It took me two hours to go 13 miles, and a stock Toyota truck, little tiny, itty bit like a mini truck.

[939] We got to Sam Javier, went up, searching for him, stopping every time that there was a crest, every time that I thought, Momentum could take a driver off.

[940] We'd stop, search, couldn't find him.

[941] So two hours, we finally found him.

[942] It was still night?

[943] Was it still night?

[944] Still night?

[945] I found him, and my co -driver had a concussion.

[946] He's vomiting.

[947] He's peeing, pissing himself because he smelled like shit.

[948] Got picked up my two drivers, went down there, and the scavengers were already starting wheels off the car, GPS, anything you can get off the car.

[949] They were already doing that while the guys were inside the car?

[950] Guys were already, they got off the top of the, out of the gully, and they were already down there picking.

[951] So I went back down there to get my sat phone and get my other stuff.

[952] And I'm like, get the fuck away.

[953] I'm shooing the Mexicans away that are already picking this car apart.

[954] Wow.

[955] And so I get Tracy back in the car.

[956] And these are stories.

[957] These happen every, that's why it's an adventure race.

[958] I'm not like I went to the drag strip and it did nine seconds.

[959] So I got Tracy back in the car two and a half hours back and we stopped because he had to vomit every, like every 15 minutes.

[960] Like, hold on, guys, hold on.

[961] And he's vomited.

[962] Because he's got a concussion.

[963] Bad concussion.

[964] So we get him back.

[965] He's okay.

[966] We get him in a Loretto.

[967] We're in Loretto.

[968] We got him down to La Paz.

[969] And by that time, it was 7, 8 o 'clock in the morning.

[970] Take into the emergency room.

[971] Probably not advisable, but took an emergency room.

[972] What's that like?

[973] Yeah, I told the doctor in Spanish that he hurt his dick, and he's got to check his dick.

[974] So the doctor, he's got this huge bruise on his head.

[975] So the doctor's like, take your pants off.

[976] He starts taking his pants off.

[977] And then Tracy's joint, the sordid a guy, he's looking at me, he's like, why is he asking?

[978] I go, I told him you hurt your dick.

[979] He's like, God.

[980] So how many people have died doing this race?

[981] Every year or so, there's probably one motorcycle.

[982] The biggest thing is there's accidents on the highway.

[983] It's not actually the race cars that happen, but because the race starts in Ensonata, goes all the way to La Paz.

[984] We race all the way through the day, through the night, into the next day.

[985] And usually a lot of the accidents happen there on the highway.

[986] highway with the spectator traffic or the chase traffic race cars not too often not too often motorcycle guys get hurt a lot i mean josh barnett hit a motorcycle guy in uh in 13 or in 12 in 2012 he hit a motorcycle guy but what happened with that well you know it's funny monster energy called me and they said they wanted uh do i know any um any athletes any athletes or superstars that want to come down a race because they were out like yeah so i called josh i know he's the he's the ultimate gearhead And to gearheads, if you say, hey, you want to come race, he two weeks noticed, never raced off for him in his life.

[987] I had him in a car.

[988] He comes down there to, like, the next week.

[989] I put him, I do some training down down to the sterile beach, show him how to work at the car, and next thing, he's in a race.

[990] Poor fucker.

[991] He's like a 19.

[992] He was 19 hour.

[993] He took him 19 hours.

[994] He was like the first stent, like 300 miles.

[995] He's going through a silt bed.

[996] There's a motorcycle guy, clips him, and breaks his leg.

[997] Now, Josh did one of the most amazing things.

[998] I'm not saying that Rob wouldn't do this.

[999] So Josh Brunette, do you know who he is?

[1000] No. Youngest ever UFC heavyweight champion, super great guy.

[1001] Super great guy.

[1002] I had him on the podcast.

[1003] He's probably one of the best podcast guests.

[1004] Excuse me, one of the best podcast guests I've ever had.

[1005] He's a super intelligent guy.

[1006] Yeah, he's so smart, heavyweight fighter, amazing, amazing grappler, amazing fighter.

[1007] And he loves cars.

[1008] He has a Shelby, he's got all kinds of cars.

[1009] He loves it.

[1010] He's a fucking nut.

[1011] So he goes down there into a silk.

[1012] The silk bed, and he wants to get around it, but you don't only have control on the silk bed.

[1013] You can hit it.

[1014] Sometimes you hit a rut, and it throws you right a little bit.

[1015] He hit this guy and broke his leg.

[1016] Compound fractured his leg.

[1017] So he gets through the silk bed, and not a lot of guys that do this, by the way.

[1018] I'm just telling you, it's like for the first time being down there.

[1019] So he, and he feels like shit, he'll tell you the story.

[1020] But he pulls off to the side of the course, goes in the silk bed, which is dangerous, by the way.

[1021] Pulls the guy's motorcycle out, so no other cars hit it.

[1022] and then picks the guy up, walks him out, and puts him on the hood of his car, calls in, waits for a helicopter to come.

[1023] Helicopter comes.

[1024] Josh carries this guy with a compound fractured leg into the helicopter, drops him a helicopter, then puts his helmet back on and continues his race.

[1025] And then he rolled it.

[1026] He rolled his truck after all that?

[1027] Yeah.

[1028] There's Josh.

[1029] Oh, yeah.

[1030] That's the pitcher right there.

[1031] That's his buggy.

[1032] Monster Energy truck.

[1033] Wow.

[1034] So you were talking about the dude who raced.

[1035] on flat surfaces and then just gave it up and started doing only this kind of dirt crazy shit there's not a lot of these courses though right it's like you could go there's a lot of race courses around the country where the average person can do and do you know a track day and put on a helmet and drive fast around a course how many courses are there like this where a guy can just go out and it's unlimited Baja there's there's roads everywhere go down there and practice or run or play.

[1036] You'd have to go to Mexico to do it, though.

[1037] There's some stuff in the States.

[1038] Well, there's a lot of races, by the way.

[1039] I mean, he does short course.

[1040] You can gear up in a Pro 2, Pro 4 pretty easy, and you go short court racing.

[1041] And then there's two organizations.

[1042] There's obviously score, and there's a couple other organizations that do them.

[1043] You know, the Mint 400, which Rob races in, a Besson Desert Rob races in.

[1044] I've done some stuff in Arizona, Nevada.

[1045] There's a lot of races.

[1046] So there are a few courses.

[1047] Are there courses or is it just organizations?

[1048] We build courses.

[1049] Every off -road race is unique.

[1050] Oh, okay.

[1051] So now, like, what if someone's listening to this?

[1052] And they're like, you know what, I need some goddamn adventure in my life.

[1053] Best thing do is look up score.

[1054] Score.

[1055] Score schedules?

[1056] Score.

[1057] Score.

[1058] Not the strip club in New York City.

[1059] I thought that was in Atlanta.

[1060] No, that's it.

[1061] Wherever it is.

[1062] I don't know anything about those places.

[1063] Score International.

[1064] Yeah, Score International.

[1065] Looked up on the Internet.

[1066] Look at the schedule.

[1067] find out where the races are, go check one out.

[1068] There's a lot of other racing organizations that race all over, you know, the western United States.

[1069] There's almost off -road race just about every weekend, somewhere in the western U .S. You can...

[1070] And for some folks, they just go, quote -unquote, off -roading.

[1071] So they just get a truck and find a spot where they are allowed to drive and just go nutty.

[1072] Yeah, those are Jeep adventure guys.

[1073] The guys go like Moab and they go real slow and that's not what we do.

[1074] That I don't get.

[1075] That crawling.

[1076] Look, I made it up the rock.

[1077] Dude, I could walk quicker than that, you stupid fuck.

[1078] What's in your truck that you need to get up to the top of the rock with it?

[1079] You know, that doesn't make any sense to me. No. Yeah, I don't get the rock crawling.

[1080] It's slow speed.

[1081] It's pretty incredible.

[1082] I did a rock crawling.

[1083] It's actually rock race.

[1084] Oh, it's a race.

[1085] Well, there's different things.

[1086] Rock crawling is one thing.

[1087] Racing slow.

[1088] And then racing slow.

[1089] But it's pretty wild that when they do the, I think it's the events called King of the Hammers.

[1090] and you climb up some rocks that you can't even climb with your hands, but you get in this modified, unlimited vehicle, like very expensive on top.

[1091] It's the same with even bigger tires than we have, and they just go right up it like you're actually crawling a little.

[1092] You can't climb it.

[1093] You can't climb it with your, you can't, it's very hard for you to climb it as a human being, but this car will pull up to it or this truck, kind of like a Jeep, but it's highly modified.

[1094] It's a difference between like a stock Ford F -150 and a trophy truck.

[1095] It's like a stock, Jeep and an unlimited, I think they call them Ultra 4s.

[1096] Yeah.

[1097] And they're incredible what they'll do.

[1098] They'll go up incredible rock climbing events.

[1099] Straight faces.

[1100] You'll see some of the internet stuff.

[1101] It is fascinating.

[1102] It's crazy, but it is slow.

[1103] It's racing slow.

[1104] Well, I guarantee you somebody could climb it, though.

[1105] Like those free climber dudes, like those Alex Arnold guys that go up the, you know, they go up things that aren't even flat.

[1106] They're like leaning towards you.

[1107] No, he said you couldn't climb it.

[1108] I could climb it.

[1109] Don't fucking test me, bud.

[1110] I'll fucking climb it right now, bitch.

[1111] The industry, like, must be, like, it must be a huge thing, like, building all these different things.

[1112] And, I mean, people must be getting involved in this recreationally and building these, like, trucks and taking the regular trucks and adding all this stuff to it.

[1113] It's just like hot rodding.

[1114] I mean, you have a Geyser, right?

[1115] Yeah, there's the Geyser brothers build trophy trucks.

[1116] Jimco builds trophy trucks.

[1117] There's probably five or six builders.

[1118] that do trophy trucks, and then you have all your guys that work out of their own shop, smaller, building their own stuff.

[1119] So, you know, but alluded earlier, there's really no rules.

[1120] Trophy trucks, the rules are it can't fly.

[1121] You could have unlimited suspension.

[1122] It has to have a body, like a truck body, which is fiberglass, and it can't fly.

[1123] It has to stay on the ground.

[1124] So it's a unique thing.

[1125] You can pretty much brainstorm with whatever you can to try to go out there and beat your competition.

[1126] Well, that's what's innovative about the sport.

[1127] When you give guys unlimited horsepower, unlimited of this, do anything you want.

[1128] Actually, there is one rule that I'll tell you that I saw.

[1129] And you'll remember this story really well.

[1130] There's actually only one rule that I know of, actually.

[1131] But you get to, especially in competition, you get to breed the best of the human mind because he's trying to beat this other guy.

[1132] I'm going to kick his ass.

[1133] So here's the one rule.

[1134] 08, 07, I think it's 07, right?

[1135] This guy named Brian Collins.

[1136] Swear to God, this happened.

[1137] They took a fueling system off an Apache helicopter, right?

[1138] Stuck it off the back of their truck.

[1139] And they had a fueling truck that would walk up to it.

[1140] while they're moving and jam it in the back of it and refuel it while they're moving and finally a score, was that 07, 08?

[1141] When was that?

[1142] Yeah, I think it was Mark Miller and Ryan R .C .ro.

[1143] Holy mack.

[1144] And they did it on the highway.

[1145] They developed a system on a regular chase truck that was following the race truck down the highway, and the fuel was in the bed of the chase truck, and they had a pressurized system that they pulled up while they're going 60 miles an hour down the highway.

[1146] They pulled up behind the race truck and it had like a nozzle.

[1147] out the front of it, and they stabbed it into the nozzle that was on the race truck, and they filled it.

[1148] Jesus Christ.

[1149] Yeah, so they could save four minutes.

[1150] They could save two or three minutes in the pit.

[1151] You're not even supposed to smoke when you're at a gas station.

[1152] So I think that's the rules, like, no more fueling while you're going down the highway.

[1153] You're not even supposed to use your cell phone while you're at a gas station, because very rarely a spark, an electronic spark, can ignite fumes, and you can burst into flames.

[1154] Like, that's happened before.

[1155] These fucking crazy assholes are going 60 miles an hour filling their car up on the highway.

[1156] I remember what I was with a Herps team that year.

[1157] I forgot when it was.

[1158] The Herps?

[1159] Yeah, Herps.

[1160] Like Herpes?

[1161] Terrible Herpes.

[1162] Like in Vegas.

[1163] The Herpes gas stations, the Herps Hotel.

[1164] I don't know what that is.

[1165] I've never heard of that.

[1166] They're pretty big.

[1167] Yeah, the Herps hotels right on Paradise.

[1168] That's a terrible place to go and stay.

[1169] I'm sorry for the people who own it.

[1170] But just the name.

[1171] Don't be sorry for it.

[1172] The name.

[1173] Yeah, we're going to stay at the Herps.

[1174] Good luck.

[1175] I got the Herbs?

[1176] Yeah.

[1177] I got to the Herps.

[1178] Shit.

[1179] You're going to be okay?

[1180] Did you take your venication?

[1181] Use some antibacterial soap?

[1182] So, anyway, I was with them.

[1183] Without, I won't say their name again.

[1184] I was with them, and we saw that, and we're all kind of like, that's pretty cool.

[1185] Did they win that year?

[1186] Yeah, they did.

[1187] They won that year because of that.

[1188] Well, it's saving time.

[1189] There's more to it than just that, but it definitely helped.

[1190] How many minutes do you think that saved?

[1191] Throughout the 1 ,000 mile race, probably 10 minutes, 10 minutes of time, instead of stopping in the pit.

[1192] And that matters.

[1193] Absolutely.

[1194] Now, no one's sleeping.

[1195] You guys are just driving.

[1196] Everybody in the race truck, they're driving the whole way.

[1197] Some people solo, they drive the whole thousand mile race without getting out of the truck, drive the whole way.

[1198] I've done that in the past.

[1199] Do you have a diaper on?

[1200] They have these catheters called a piss kit.

[1201] There's a tube in your dick.

[1202] That's when your hobby is way out of control.

[1203] No, okay.

[1204] It's not that bad.

[1205] That's not a tube in your dick.

[1206] It's actually a catheter, right?

[1207] It's one of my favorite things.

[1208] I like having a, like, I like having a tube in you dick.

[1209] No, it's not what it is, but it's the best thing that's ever happened for off road for me. It is amazing.

[1210] It goes over the top, like a, like a, like a condom.

[1211] And then a rubber hose connected to the end of that that goes all the way down the inside of your leg and you tape at the end of the hose to the side of your shoe.

[1212] So you can piss on your shoe.

[1213] So next to your shoe.

[1214] It's the best.

[1215] So it's in the truck.

[1216] Somebody just peeing.

[1217] Some people have done that, though.

[1218] They don't get the tube out of their shoe before they start racing, and they're actually find out their pee, and that's another great story.

[1219] Ivan Stewart, who's a legend.

[1220] Do you hang your foot out the window?

[1221] No, you just pee on the floor.

[1222] We don't have carpet.

[1223] It's all metal, aluminum down there.

[1224] There's a hole in the floor?

[1225] Ah, just yeah, that.

[1226] There's leaks.

[1227] There's little panels and stuff.

[1228] So you just pee on the floor and just hope it goes away somewhere?

[1229] Yeah.

[1230] It does.

[1231] It does.

[1232] Well, the best things you pull up in the pits and you start peeing, you tell your mechanic was like, I think you got a leak, and he's down there sniffing it.

[1233] That's a great, that story right there's happened multiple times, and the one I was going to tell you about, it's Ivan Stewart's an icon of the sport.

[1234] was at the start line, and warming his truck up, he's just about ready to go off the start line, and all of a sudden underneath his truck, there's liquid in one of his mechanics, jumps underneath her, like, holy shit, what is that?

[1235] Goes, touches his finger in it, comes up, smells it, and realizes what it is, that Ivan's actually taking a piss.

[1236] Didn't mean to ruin your story.

[1237] But for your listeners, by the way, get a catheter.

[1238] Go online, get a race catheter.

[1239] The best thing, like in a bar, I did a race.

[1240] Or a UFC fight.

[1241] Or a UFC fight.

[1242] I did this.

[1243] You don't have to miss anything.

[1244] Yeah, but then you get a pee on the ground.

[1245] Yeah, you can pee in the bar near a drain.

[1246] It's fine.

[1247] I was at this blue water.

[1248] I was at this blue water race in Arizona one time.

[1249] It was with Greg Fouts, and we got our ass kick.

[1250] We're just putting around.

[1251] We got stuck a couple times in a stock full.

[1252] So we actually got to the bar, and we felt like a dick, by the way.

[1253] And I had my race suit on because we came in so late, but the bar is going and everybody's there and they're having a celebration.

[1254] I just kept my catheter on.

[1255] So I'm just sitting at the bar.

[1256] I'm like, I get next to somebody and just start peeing.

[1257] Okay, okay.

[1258] And you're done.

[1259] You don't have to go.

[1260] And you just pee on the ground at the bar.

[1261] Yeah.

[1262] You son of a bitch.

[1263] I can't believe you think that's funny.

[1264] How dare you?

[1265] What about the person that owns that bar?

[1266] You just peeing in their establishment right on the floor.

[1267] It tries to be $8 for a beer.

[1268] I don't give them fucking slurs for that guy.

[1269] He needs to make some money.

[1270] Somebody has to buy the beer, bring it there.

[1271] Somebody has to pay to be, put the refrigerator in and turn it on.

[1272] Don't feel sorry for me. Eight bucks?

[1273] Don't buy it.

[1274] So that's what it looks like?

[1275] Black Cat.

[1276] That's one of the brands right there.

[1277] Wow.

[1278] That is ridiculous.

[1279] when you're in a sport when you have to have a hose taped over your dick maybe there's a problem with that sport maybe you don't uh bob you don't drink coffee no never never when I was a kid my mom dad drank coffee I couldn't stand the smell probably got to early 20s or so realized I'd never had it and said you know what I'm gonna do without it for for my life so I'm a soda guy so you drink sodas yeah that's my fix in the morning so is that what you get your caffeine from I mean like when you're doing a 33 hour run like you must do some form of stimulant to stay awake no uh the the adrenaline gets going in you when you're winning the race you know you get you get into the night you typically our ball 1000 starts at 10 o 'clock and you'll finish at two three in the morning for me uh if we're doing well about midnight when you start to get tired usually realize you're in shit you got a chance to win this race and the adrenaline kicks in and takes you right to the finish it's when you're having a bad day lots of troubles and you're pulling a 36 hour event that and you're not capable of winning the race.

[1280] The adrenaline goes away and then you need to throw some sodas down to keep it going or some energy drinks.

[1281] Yeah, I would think that that would get really sketchy when you're dealing with like these crazy turns where you really have to be paying attention and you've been up for 25 hours.

[1282] That must be where the real danger lies, no?

[1283] Yeah, absolutely.

[1284] That's, you know, most likely Bud's earlier story with Kenny Bartram and Tracy Jordan when they went off the cliff.

[1285] I mean, they just got in the car, but I believe they were in that car earlier that same day, right?

[1286] So the Bob Peninsula, the race course is 1 ,000 miles.

[1287] The highway is 800 miles.

[1288] Most likely they got up in the morning in Ensenada, did a couple stints in the race car, got out, but they were traveling down the race course, down the highway.

[1289] And when they got back in it, it was early hours of the morning and dusty, maybe foggy.

[1290] You've got to remember that every turn could end your race.

[1291] Maybe it may be in your life if you're going too fast, but every turn.

[1292] So for me, because obviously you can tell, I have an issue with paying attention, I think I can't think of anything else And that's why I always equated to cage fighting If you get in the cage, you start thinking about your bills And your check and you know they got this happen And my all the bullshit, you're gonna get your ass kicked Right same thing down here The only thing you have to really worry about Is you're looking at brush, you're looking at dust You're looking at power lines, looking at all that you're reading the terrain And that's all that consumes your mind Because if you don't, you're fucked Yeah, that's a thing that people need right Like I find that I gravitate towards things that require my full, complete attention in the moment, whether it's going to the rifle range and shooting a rifle.

[1293] You know, like I took my friend Duncan and Chris yesterday, we went to the rifle range, and it's one of the things that Duncan was saying.

[1294] Like, when you're shooting, you don't think about anything else.

[1295] Like, the moment you're pulling that trigger, your mind is free.

[1296] Of all the other nonsense you got going on in your life, your mind is just concentrating on keeping the reticle, keeping that crosshair on that target, calming your nerves, and squeezing that trigger and not moving anything else.

[1297] What is it about us that we need things like that?

[1298] Is it the over -complexed society that we live in?

[1299] I think so.

[1300] I think, you know, there's, with my business, your business, and all the thing we're doing, there's text messages, and there's fucking Facebook and Twitter, and you've got to do all this bullshit, and there's so much stuff in there.

[1301] And the thing that I think is different, much different than rifles, there's consequences of what we do.

[1302] Because if we don't, if you miss the shot, oh, hum, I miss the shot.

[1303] I'm not putting down rifle, don't shoot me. But, and what we do, if you, and I've done it before, I'm like, you kind of get into a lull, like driving into snowstorm, you see the snowstorm coming out, and you kind of get drive, you kind of drive yourself to a little bit of sleep, turn comes up, you're going to go off a cliff, you're going to wreck, you're going to hit you from behind, you know, at the, the worst, it's death.

[1304] The very easiest is you broke your car and you got to get to sit out there and fix it, and you just let your team down.

[1305] There are teams, he's got 60, 70 people, they're on his team, and then they all worked really hard to get him, down there and that pressures on him not to fuck up but isn't it weird that we as human beings have this strange desire to chase danger like that that that managing danger becomes sort of like a drug fix we're getting well you're a lot deeper human being than i am but this is this goes back you know primal human we used to go on hunts right as guys we used to go on hunts we used to like you stay here i'm going to go on a hunt and i'm going to chase bear i'm going to kill the buffalo I'm going to go to war.

[1306] I'm going to do these things.

[1307] And, yeah, I don't know what it is.

[1308] You get to a certain part of your life and you've got to start chasing that.

[1309] You have to have it.

[1310] Like, I don't need to race.

[1311] I'd have to race.

[1312] Well, I think there's certain human reward systems that are set up in our minds and essentially in our DNA.

[1313] And that we don't fulfill them at all with the average, the average everyday cubicle life.

[1314] Traffic, cubicle, come home, television, the news bombards you with fucking nonsense from all around the world.

[1315] and you go to sleep and start all over again and you're missing a lot of shit and then something comes along like this race where like you're fucking jumping around this crazy fucking truck you're going 140 miles an hour and your body's like finally something's happening yeah is that it it's addiction yeah for me absolutely i'm when i'm not racing last year i raised 35 weekends i I raced, took the green flag.

[1316] Most of the year.

[1317] Yeah, I raced.

[1318] I think I took the green flag over 80 times.

[1319] What's that mean?

[1320] Every time, basically, I started a race.

[1321] I started a race, they threw a green flag.

[1322] So I raced over 80 times.

[1323] Oh, okay.

[1324] Last year, and 35 weekends.

[1325] Some of these times I take four green flags.

[1326] Actually, one weekend last year, I took seven green flags over the weekend, racing in three different trucks.

[1327] Disguster, there's multiple classes.

[1328] In the short course races, there's multiple classes.

[1329] So I'm addicted it so much I go get in any vehicle I can go race So I race seven times But when I have a weekend off I don't know what to do with myself So I think I need that adrenaline rush I need to race I need to get a checker flag I need to win That's really what my life is about now It's just become part of your system Absolutely And bud you've been You've been chasing stuff like that All as long as I've known you You're always like trying to do some crazy charged up thing.

[1330] Build your character, I think as a guy, it helps you build your character, and I'm addicted to drugs.

[1331] My drug is adorphins and adrenaline, and I have to have that.

[1332] I think it was, I forgot who said it.

[1333] It might have been Reese Millen or someone like that, but they said in normal life, the guy in the cubicle was sitting in New York City, he may have like one close call in his whole entire life or maybe one a year.

[1334] Down in Mexico, you have nine or ten in a race.

[1335] I mean, you are close to death a few times.

[1336] I mean, holy shit, oh, fuck, I'm glad that didn't happen.

[1337] And you do that over and over.

[1338] And it's scary for, you know, definite.

[1339] I've shot, I did a movie in the Raptor.

[1340] I don't know if you saw it.

[1341] No, I never saw that.

[1342] But you did that, like, you produced a film about the Ford Raptor, like, right when it was coming out?

[1343] Is that what it was?

[1344] It was the launch of it.

[1345] Yeah, it was a launch of it.

[1346] What year was that?

[1347] Oh, wait.

[1348] And my wife, there was two movies back -to -back I did, and there was one time we got stuck All the guests and I got stuck You remember the scene And I took a toe strap Pulled it to the front of the thing Walked across and hooked it to my friend's truck And some idiot in the trophy truck Wasn't me Ran over my strap Like right where I was Whoa I mean Because you know you're in this blinding silk bed I don't think he didn't try to kill me He's blinding silk bed He knows if he slows down He just sees a hole There's a truck And there's a guy I'm gonna go right between it And I'm like Oh my God Oh, fuck, that was very close, really close.

[1349] So that was a scene in our movie, and my wife is like, uh, yeah, you're not doing that anymore.

[1350] It happens quite often.

[1351] Because she saw it.

[1352] Oh, wow.

[1353] Well, my wife, one last story.

[1354] So my wife, in 2012, when I won my race, I call my wife, I'm excited.

[1355] I won one race.

[1356] Rob's run 220 races, more than anybody in the planet.

[1357] I won one race.

[1358] I call my wife at 5 o 'clock.

[1359] I said, honey, we won.

[1360] I'd be chasing for nine years.

[1361] She said, good, you can quit.

[1362] And she hung up on me. I got no play at all.

[1363] I'm like, I was so excited.

[1364] Like, I can't, I want to call my mom.

[1365] I want to call my wife.

[1366] I want to, like, hey, guess what?

[1367] I did this.

[1368] She's like, yeah, that's nice.

[1369] You can quit now.

[1370] Yeah, it's hard for some people to relate to that need to be charged up and do nutty things like that, right?

[1371] Yeah, I think so.

[1372] I mean, for me, it's all about winning champions, winning races, and I can't get enough of it.

[1373] Well, so many people try to, they've tried to.

[1374] try to live their life safe you know they try to do just the opposite they're like looking for the softest cushion to sit on they're looking for the easiest job they're looking for the longest amount of time off they're looking for the this the the the cussiest existence that's not no that's not living that's you got to get out there and experience life you got to live it yeah i agree but i mean there's that there's like these two schools of thought when it comes to people there's people that try to seek out adventure and thrills and have all these wild experiences in their life, and there's people that have zero desire to do that.

[1375] See, Joe and I have, we have a disease.

[1376] We have, like, a dinner party disease that we share.

[1377] Like, I can't talk to those people, right?

[1378] Because I seek out.

[1379] Like, I do deep -sief dives on shipwrecks, and I'll try to go to this, not because I think I'm a bad ass shit because I'm pushing myself.

[1380] I always want to push myself.

[1381] I have to something, do something to train for.

[1382] So when I go to talk to people, like regular people or people that are boring as shit, I sound like an idiot and I had nothing to say to him because you try to do what we just did here and Rob's got a million of them you try to tell them an adventure story in Baja like I hit a jump at 120 and I jumped this or I accidentally hit this guy on a bike and like they think you're crazy.

[1383] Yeah, there's certain people that it's just, it's too time consuming trying to explain your motivations behind certain things like I try to think of like what's the least thrilling thing that I do that I could sort of like tell people that I do like what do you do you do for a living?

[1384] do a radio show on the internet like i say that like i'll leave out the ufc i'll leave out stand -up comedy like i don't want it's just this ain't the bridge between us is too far to there's no there's no room there some folks just they don't want any thrills they want no thrills they want no nothing dangerous they want just everything to be spelled out for them they want you know two weeks paid vacation and they want to make sure that they can retire when they're 65 and they're already ready to die.

[1385] Like they've got it all set up.

[1386] You bet you.

[1387] You betcha.

[1388] So, Rob, what's the best story for Baja?

[1389] Because I told my crazy story, but you have the, you have better stories.

[1390] Well, you know, actually, I think I've been honestly fortunate enough when I started going to Baja.

[1391] I went with Walker Evans and people that have tons of experience down there.

[1392] And they kind of help minimize those stories for me. You know, one of the early days racing class one single buggy, single -seater, only one person in there, down there after San Javier, where you're talking about earlier, had a flat tire, and got out to change that tire and had a, you know, the motors running in the buggy, and you can't hear anybody around you.

[1393] There's typically, there's no, I thought I was in the middle of nowhere, and all of a sudden somebody came up, tapped me on the back of the shoulder, scared this crap out of me. Things like that, I don't, you know, crashing, I've done multiple crashes all over the place, wad and stuff up, breaking my collarbone.

[1394] The crazy stories, I guess, you know, I don't have the wild ones.

[1395] The reason why is I think that I, you know, I go down there to prepare it.

[1396] I'm there to win.

[1397] You know, I really minimize all that stuff and haven't had a lot of crazy stuff happen.

[1398] Did you get involved in other motorsports first?

[1399] Were you involved regular racing first?

[1400] Yeah, I started racing motorcycles when I was 8, 9, 10 years old.

[1401] Jesus Christ.

[1402] Yeah.

[1403] You're racing motorcycles as an 8 -year -old.

[1404] Yeah, got involved in doing that.

[1405] And, you know, my dad was involved in doing off -road racing in the early 70s when I was on motorcycles.

[1406] And then when I got turned 16 years old, we got into racing buggies doing the men 400 and stuff like that.

[1407] And, you know, I quit my senior year of basketball.

[1408] It was the dumbest thing I ever did.

[1409] I should have played it through.

[1410] But I fell in love with off -road racing and then, you know, just made it my hobby there for a few years.

[1411] And then got lucky enough to get picked up by people like Ford Motor Company, BF Gooders Tires.

[1412] And I ended up making a career out of it.

[1413] So I'm doing this for a living for over 20 years, and like Bud said, we've won, you know, over 200 races on B .F. Goodrich's tires.

[1414] I'm actually about 280 total wins in off -road since 82, over 20 championships.

[1415] If you had to stop and you had to go and live an office job, like if someone came along and B .F. Goodrich said, look, we're taking you out of the fucking heat.

[1416] It's just, it's too crazy.

[1417] We're going to give you a nice cushy job, six -figure salary, nice house.

[1418] Yeah, at this point, I can't even imagine that.

[1419] You know, I think about that, you know, every once.

[1420] What am I going to do when this is over?

[1421] And I don't know.

[1422] I don't even know what I'm going to do.

[1423] But, you know, hopefully go to work with somebody like B .F. Goodrich or, you know, my family owns an off -road buggy shop in Vegas doing stuff like that.

[1424] But, you know, I don't plan on quitting any time soon.

[1425] It's what I know.

[1426] You know, it's almost all I know.

[1427] I mean, it's my hobby.

[1428] It's my job.

[1429] It's my life.

[1430] Who's the oldest guy that can do it?

[1431] You were saying that Newman did it when he was 80?

[1432] Yeah, he did a race when he was 80 What a fucking animal he was And Ivan Stewart did it I mean he did it until in his 60s Yeah, Walker Evans Larry Ragland Some of the best of the sport You know had their most success In their 50s Which I haven't got there yet What?

[1433] Because you calm down Yeah It's you calm down There's a thing in our race In racing called Red Mist Red Mist will get you hurt Like Jesse James goes down there all the time And he generally wads it up In the first 100 miles Talking shit about Jesse James Because he just goes crazy No because people misunderstand the race.

[1434] I mean, he knows more about the races.

[1435] They misunderstand the race.

[1436] They think in the first 100 miles, I got to beat everybody.

[1437] The analogy that I have is when they put their helmet on, they throw their brains out the window.

[1438] And I did that when I was young.

[1439] Crash a lot of stuff, ruin cars.

[1440] But over time, you learn.

[1441] That's not how you win the race.

[1442] You basically go as slow as you possibly can to win.

[1443] You have to keep an eye on your competition.

[1444] You go through the pitch, get split times, find out how you're doing.

[1445] But as long as you're, you know, you're close to winning the race, you're doing a good job.

[1446] When you get down to the end, it's typically only you and a couple of other guys that are racing for the win.

[1447] All those other 20, 30 guys in your class, they're broke or they're having problems.

[1448] How many people are racing?

[1449] Like when they say ready, set go.

[1450] How many people fucking 150?

[1451] All the classes, 150 to 350, it depends on which race.

[1452] Like the thousands, like 300 to 350 people.

[1453] Vehicles, yeah.

[1454] So 350 vehicles all together.

[1455] How does it set?

[1456] I mean, how many lanes are you dealing with here?

[1457] When they start the race, they send one truck or one buggy at a time, usually every 30 seconds apart.

[1458] We're racing the clock.

[1459] We're out there racing on the track at the same time.

[1460] You do have to come up and bump those guys, move them out of your way, if they're slower than in front of you.

[1461] But we're racing the clock.

[1462] And as you get down the course, the bikes start usually, the bikes, the quads, the UTVs, they start about three hours in front of the first four -wheel vehicle, but we end up catching those guys.

[1463] And that's where it becomes really sketchy.

[1464] And sometimes where these, you know, Bud's story earlier when Josh hit the bike guy.

[1465] That's because the bikes can't do certain things.

[1466] Well, some of them can.

[1467] Yeah, some of them can.

[1468] But a lot of the, especially in Mexico, a lot of the bike guys are sportsmen.

[1469] And when you're doing a long race to like a ball 1 ,000, it becomes more, the bike guys, you know, they get used up quicker.

[1470] And the trucks, you're sitting in the seat, you have, you know, you don't have air conditioner, but you've got, you know, you can have snacks, you can have food, you can have water as you're racing down the course.

[1471] The bike guy, it's just him in a small light.

[1472] You know, I talked earlier about how the lights on our trucks are like a stadium.

[1473] They have one light.

[1474] We have 14 to 20 lights on our trucks.

[1475] That makes sense.

[1476] So it's a lot different.

[1477] Yeah, fuck, that must be scary.

[1478] Driving a motorcycle fast like that.

[1479] Yeah, they think of baseball stadiums behind them sometimes.

[1480] I hear a trophy truck behind them.

[1481] Some of the guys, the smart ones, oh, they freak out.

[1482] They look behind them, like, oh, shit!

[1483] And they get off the road, and the traffic codes go blowing by them because they don't want to get run over.

[1484] Wow.

[1485] There's a lot of accents with the bike guys, and their score is doing a lot of things to mitigate that at this point.

[1486] They're starting them later.

[1487] We're going to start it in the night before and stuff like that.

[1488] Oh, okay.

[1489] For me, there's an interesting thing for me. I was going to tell you, like, I'm known, you know me for a long, long time.

[1490] I'm known kind of like kind of a crazy jackass that doesn't do this.

[1491] When I've gone down in the races, you talked about the catheter.

[1492] This is an interesting thing that happens to me and my psyche.

[1493] I'm wearing a fire suit.

[1494] I have my catheter's on I have a fireproof underwear I put my helmet on I got my knife in my pocket so I can cut my seat belts off anything else happens I start doing all this stuff I'm like holy shit I'm doing something pretty serious and I calm down I have problems with my sponsors who hang out with me and they're like you're gonna fucking wreck you're a crazy wacky idiot who's gonna wreck the car so they don't they're not managing this craziness well that's what it is some people just don't some people just can't like look at all the different variables look at all the craziness and just settling okay this is what we're doing now yeah some people and it's hard the red mist comes in like you you're some and i've get i get caught up sometimes too because i had a guy pull behind me one time a french guy told me he's going to kick my ass if i don't move we'll stop the car i'll stop the car and get out i don't care we'll stop right in the middle of course you're going to kick my ass fucking french they gave us these fries and now they got Get out to my way, I'll kick your ass.

[1495] That's what he's saying to?

[1496] Yeah, on the radio, I'm like, fuck you.

[1497] Get out of the way, I'll kick your ass.

[1498] Yeah, and I know what he's doing.

[1499] He's freaking out going, and he's in this race, and you just got to pace yourself.

[1500] You've got to be calm.

[1501] It's hard not to get caught up in the beginning when guys are banging you.

[1502] Like, they're hitting you.

[1503] I don't understand.

[1504] Some people hit you.

[1505] Hard.

[1506] They just rammed into you.

[1507] Ram in you.

[1508] To try to get you out of the way.

[1509] Yeah, they don't even care.

[1510] They don't honk.

[1511] You just drive all of a sudden.

[1512] Boom.

[1513] And it's like being rear end of the 405.

[1514] 60 miles an hour, you're like, holy shit.

[1515] Yeah, the off -road tracks are one lane.

[1516] It's not like five lanes on the 405.

[1517] It's one lane.

[1518] So to pass that guy, you come up there, you hope he moves out of the way.

[1519] Typically, he doesn't really want to.

[1520] So you've got to come up there and bump him.

[1521] And sometimes people get out of control and they hit you really hard.

[1522] They try to move you off the track.

[1523] Especially if it's a jackass like these guys who have actually had a bad day.

[1524] So this is the problem I have, right?

[1525] So I'm having a good day, right?

[1526] So I'm in front of my class.

[1527] He's had a bad day in a trophy truck.

[1528] He's got 900 horsepower, 105 gallons.

[1529] fuel he's fucking pissed off he's tired he's not happy anymore and he's trying to make up time and then and there's me and my buggy we don't want to deal with these slow guys we want to get to the we want to get done we want to get to the finish line and in the dust that he's kicking up makes the trophy truck guy pissed off and it's like you don't deserve to be here get out of my way and by the time you get to him you give him a little love oh a little love that's the bump that's the bump oh yeah and how many guys get fucked up because of that I mean it seems like that would be like that would be one of the reasons why a lot of guys wrecked well a lot of the cars they're they're built to take that it's it's in the DNA of off road that's that's kind of how we pass you come up there you bump into each other you tag him it's like that's you're you know you're i caught you now you move out of the way let me go by that's what we do so you guys use they're chrome molly tubing huge chrome molly tubing so they're designed to take a good impact yeah but you you you would pull over notice i yeah exactly like a 1950s dad yeah give it a little of this If you were in the accident, if you were on the four -off side, if someone hit you that hard, you pull over and call the cops.

[1530] Right.

[1531] And grab your neck and go, whoa, that was an impact.

[1532] But they're like, yeah.

[1533] It's part of the game.

[1534] It's part of the game.

[1535] Wow.

[1536] That's crazy.

[1537] That seems so bizarre.

[1538] That just seems so crazy that part of it is just ramming into you while you're going, you know, X amount of miles an hour.

[1539] Right.

[1540] It's normal.

[1541] It's normal.

[1542] It's normal.

[1543] It's normal.

[1544] In that world, in that world, it's normal.

[1545] We're fucking human beings.

[1546] are so crazy in that way.

[1547] We just find normalcy in the fact that, well, this is what happens when you do this.

[1548] And then all rules, all decor, all normal rules of behavior, go out the window when you're racing in a Baja and you're pissing through your fucking shoe.

[1549] Well, I think there's a very weird, something in the psyche, I can tell you from me, once you've figured this out and you've done the organization and you've gone to your catheter, to your knife, If you've got your chase team, you've got your feel.

[1550] Once you've organized the successful race campaign like he has, then regular life and business is not that hard, right?

[1551] You actually get out of a race.

[1552] It's like, then actually you sometimes get a little short with stupid people.

[1553] You're like, really, you just had to go to the store and pick up a six pack and come back.

[1554] Was it that that fucking hard?

[1555] And because what we do, there's so many consequences.

[1556] He can tell a guy, and this is actually how it goes, too.

[1557] I need you to go to the PEMIC station, which is the gas station in Mexico, be there at one o 'clock with some extra tires I may need when I get out.

[1558] And that's what you tell the guy.

[1559] And it's 800 miles away.

[1560] And you don't see that guy until, you know, 12 hours from there.

[1561] And that guy is sitting there.

[1562] It is logistics crazy.

[1563] And you surround yourself with the people who know, have a common goal.

[1564] Your logistics are all put out.

[1565] I mean, if you need anything down there, you know where it's at.

[1566] And you come back to the States and you can't, you, and like, you know, some of your employees or someone like that can't handle like two simple instructions.

[1567] You're like, that guy would die down in Mexico.

[1568] Well, it's just that the stakes are higher.

[1569] the pressure is higher and everyone's tuned in everyone's tuned in everyone has a goal yeah you want to surround yourself with the people have been down there to Mexico it's two lane highways very dangerous there's not streetlights very rarely there's yellow line dividing the center lane and you got you got to have the right people it's a very dangerous thing it is it's a logistics nightmare to plan out a race I always say to people if I would spend as much effort that I do off -road racing and putting the the team together and the logistics in a regular business, I'd have a lot of money.

[1570] Instead, I raise a trophy truck and I don't have much money.

[1571] Oh, yeah.

[1572] No, this makes UPS look like, I don't know.

[1573] This is like real logistics.

[1574] Yeah, but would it be any more exciting?

[1575] I mean, a lot of money would, it wouldn't be worth it.

[1576] You know, like, there's a lot of people that have a lot of money that we know.

[1577] They're just miserable as fuck.

[1578] They're all on antidepressants and they're always constantly in and out of relationships and their life is a fucking holy wreck of failure and catastrophe but they're financially successful because they're not challenging themselves.

[1579] I think it has to do with challenging yourself.

[1580] Yeah, I think you're right.

[1581] I think there's something about being uncomfortable that provides you with a certain sense of well -being.

[1582] I don't know what it is but I was hunting in Montana last year and we were talking about employees doing things and this show Meat Eater has these guys that work for it.

[1583] I mean, I don't know what they get paid, but I'm sure they don't get paid much.

[1584] And these guys are working 24 hours a day for the six, seven days that we're there.

[1585] They're sleeping on the ground.

[1586] It's fucking zero degrees outside.

[1587] They're huddled up and sleeping back.

[1588] They get up before everybody else because they have to start the coffee.

[1589] They have to fire up the campfire.

[1590] And, you know, have a job where someone doesn't want to fucking clean the restroom.

[1591] Someone doesn't want to take out the garbage, a normal job where you show up at night.

[1592] and you leave at five and try getting people to work throughout the day for what this guy gets paid to be 24 hours a day in Montana sleeping on the ground freezing their dick off but that's what he's doing like that's what he's doing and in that world in you know he becomes a part of that production like this is what I'm doing now and this guy that you're calling and saying hey you know go 800 miles get some fucking tires meet us there like that's what that guy's doing doing and he's there and he's there yeah and you see i mean and production like last year i have a group and we did the f -150 thing they called my production guys like you've been around production for a while my guys were up for 54 hours straight and they called himself the 54 -hour crew right because they they they had they we filmed this whole special for ESPN and then they were filmed my whole special for for Ford and they were up for 54 hours not a complaint they didn't like hit me for overtime they're like that was amazing and you just got to surround and i don't care about the overtime you got to surround yourself with people like i didn't know my my race is going to be that effing long.

[1593] I mean, we just happened to be, you know, we took 42 hours to do it.

[1594] These guys do it 19 or something like that.

[1595] But you surround yourself with those people.

[1596] And I was going to say something about our support staff is, you know, our chase crews are amazing.

[1597] Because we have volunteers.

[1598] Like my brother comes out every year.

[1599] It's something my brother and I can do now.

[1600] Their chase crews are amazing because most of them are volunteers.

[1601] They're going to come down there.

[1602] They'll drive in dangerous roads.

[1603] They won't sleep at night.

[1604] They'll be up for 36 hours and eat beef jerky.

[1605] And it's cold as shit.

[1606] And they are always there.

[1607] It's miserable.

[1608] They hate it while it's happening.

[1609] Yep.

[1610] But in the end, you get home, you get rested up, and all the great stories come out, and you love it, and you want to go back and do it again.

[1611] It's that just that different level of life.

[1612] It's like when you're out there doing the race, you're out there doing some wild, crazy shit like that, it's like everything's elevated.

[1613] You're more tuned in.

[1614] You're more aware of your surroundings.

[1615] You're not inundated by cell phones and telephones and television.

[1616] text messages and emails.

[1617] They don't even work.

[1618] Actually, I have one phone and maybe a sad phone.

[1619] I don't even return.

[1620] I'm like, I'm gone.

[1621] Once you go to Mexico, you call, going to Mexico.

[1622] Yep.

[1623] Be down there.

[1624] See when I get home.

[1625] And that's part of it too, right?

[1626] Part of it, too, is like the disconnect.

[1627] Unplug.

[1628] Unpluging, and then, you know, recharging your brain and being out there and the desolate surroundings going 140 miles an hour over bumps.

[1629] There's another side of it, too, that gives you appreciation.

[1630] I have a kid now, but I know my brother says it, too.

[1631] You're down there, you also see the people how they live.

[1632] There are kids, amazing kids, and they live in chicken coops, right?

[1633] The blue chicken coop down by Ojos.

[1634] They live in chicken coop.

[1635] And I'm not kidding.

[1636] I'm saying, it's a blue chicken coop.

[1637] That's what it is.

[1638] And there's kids, and I actually call, this is my own little story, but there's the kids that never grow up always come out of O 'Hos.

[1639] So there's a little road after you turn down the blue gate on the right hand side, there's a blue chicken coop.

[1640] and it looks like every year for 10 years the same kids come out they never get older they don't have shoes they're smiling we hand them stickers I stop them give them I give them candy I talk to him he signs autographs you take pictures you go back the next year they look the same age and they and they live Joe I'm telling you chicken coop I can draw it for you right it's a fucking chicken coop it looks like it's it's a chicken coop but it's a chicken coop but you appreciate you come back and sometimes you look at your kids and other people who kids Like, you have no idea.

[1641] How easy you have it.

[1642] Yeah, and then sometimes the kids and chick who will go to the dump, and that's where they find metal and they find scrap, and they take the aluminum cans, and they get their money.

[1643] And they're happy, too.

[1644] They're happy.

[1645] They're not negative.

[1646] They're not pissed off.

[1647] They have no shoes.

[1648] And, you know, the Baja racers do a lot for the community down there.

[1649] I mean, sometimes they'll build orphanages.

[1650] I mean, a lot of the Baja guys get touched by what happens down there and the people down there, and they go give back.

[1651] Because you can't help, but, you know, you can't.

[1652] help but go to these it's a third world country in a lot of a lot of ways not cabo and stuff like that but the places where we go and you you get affected by it you get to see the other world and you do appreciate what we have our kids will never appreciate it because you know they have 500 shoes these kids have no shoes seriously no shoes and the living chicken coops with a a sheet on the front door yeah i've been i've driven in the mexico uh out past tijuana um into some really sketchy areas and you get to see people that are living in these houses that are essentially like cardboard boxes with no windows and you know you see these small villages of places like that and it really puts it into perspective and even more weird that that's connected to the united states just one of the richest countries on earth it's just you just drive it's like same landmass just keep going and you go from southern california the fucking kardashians live and you see a rolls royce in your neighborhood and then a couple hours drive and then all of a sudden you're in a third world country where no one has shoes there's a vantage point you go through the gate of Tijuana you take it right and you go up this hill and there's a marsh so you're in Tijuana and you're right you have the carbon boxes and you look off to your right and there's a $20 million beach house sitting there and you can see it imagine waking up every day you're up on this hill in Tijuana no running water everything's happen and you look over there's a $20 million beach house that's mind blowing who puts is it a Mexican No, it's in San Diego.

[1653] States, yeah.

[1654] Yeah.

[1655] So you can see San Diego.

[1656] Yeah.

[1657] You come up on this hill, you can see, look off to the right, there's San Diego and 20, it's right there.

[1658] Yeah, that is fucking bananas.

[1659] La Jolla, like those houses in La Jolla.

[1660] We used to do the comedy store and we, you know, look at La Jolla.

[1661] Like, I mean, they have palaces.

[1662] These palaces overlooking the ocean.

[1663] And the most incredible affluent community, everyone's driving around these expensive European cars.

[1664] And you're 20 minutes away from.

[1665] Tijuana.

[1666] Yep.

[1667] 20 minutes.

[1668] That's fucking crazy.

[1669] That's like from here driving a van ice, you know?

[1670] But except you're driving to one of the worst spots, one of the worst border towns.

[1671] Yep.

[1672] On earth.

[1673] But the people are amazing.

[1674] The people help us.

[1675] They do so much for us.

[1676] Their food's pretty fucking badass, too.

[1677] Mexico's not a...

[1678] Oh, yeah.

[1679] You know how to fucking throw down.

[1680] Tacos.

[1681] Shrimp.

[1682] Everything.

[1683] Lobster tacos.

[1684] Where is the lobster tacos at?

[1685] Lopster tacos.

[1686] I forgot what was that.

[1687] Mamas is Mamas Tomas.

[1688] Mama Espinoza and lobster tacos are amazing.

[1689] I should never get to stop there.

[1690] I'm using a car.

[1691] Now, do any Mexicans race?

[1692] Absolutely.

[1693] There's a lot of people that live in Mexico that join in on this.

[1694] Have they ever won it?

[1695] Oh, yeah.

[1696] No, actually, Tavo Villadosa won.

[1697] He's part of the Red Bull team.

[1698] On the 50th anniversary, no, I'm sorry.

[1699] It was the Mexican independence.

[1700] Him and his father, Gus, won it.

[1701] And they're from Tijuana.

[1702] They're from that area.

[1703] And there's also one Carlos Lopez.

[1704] There's a lot of Mexican teams.

[1705] I mean, Mexican teams get little resources.

[1706] They go race.

[1707] And by the way, they don't race trophy trucks, which they do.

[1708] There's a couple trophy truck teams, but they'll race Volkswagen.

[1709] They'll race everything you could possibly get.

[1710] So you were talking about the French guy that wanted to kick your ass.

[1711] Is that a guy from France that came over just to race in this?

[1712] Yeah.

[1713] There's usually guys from 150 countries.

[1714] People all over the world come.

[1715] Japanese guys come down there all.

[1716] I mean, everybody all over the world come to Baja 1 ,000.

[1717] It's that much of a spectacle.

[1718] You have to be, I don't know, live in a cave for 800 years Not to hear of the Baja 1 ,000 Wow And people all over the world come Yeah, because I've seen like in Europe I know they do a lot of rally car races And they use Porsches Like Porsche has a lot of rally cars They drive on dirt roads Yep But did they have this kind of thing as well Do they have like...

[1719] In other countries?

[1720] Yeah No, rally's big everywhere Like this kind of rally Like this kind of like crazy modified truck Well, they do Dakar, which is a little bit different race.

[1721] It's a stage race.

[1722] Dakar used to, it was really from Paris to Dakar.

[1723] It was the name of it.

[1724] And now that's in South America through Brazil and Argentina and Chile.

[1725] Have you raced that car yet?

[1726] No. Yeah, Dakar's famous race.

[1727] I mean, it's a very famous race.

[1728] And we score, Raj and I've been talking to the Saudis to try to bring a race over there.

[1729] We've met with China.

[1730] Roger met with China to try to bring a race over there.

[1731] We were going to try to try to expand what score is going to do and try to bring it to other countries.

[1732] I would think it would be a no break.

[1733] brainer for like Saudi Arabia or any of those places where all those rich oil people love to do crazy shit like drift cars.

[1734] You've seen those videos, those drifting videos.

[1735] Oh yeah.

[1736] From Arab countries.

[1737] Dubai's real big right now on the sandbuggies.

[1738] We need to get them into off -road.

[1739] Well, Roger's talking to them.

[1740] We can get them over there.

[1741] They have an F -1 race.

[1742] You know, the obvious idea is getting all get all the trophy truck teams, come over there, put them on a ship, get everybody there and go race.

[1743] What's the sandbuggies?

[1744] Like a It's a lot lighter Buggy than what we race An off road And they basically just go to the sand dunes They're specific built For sand duning They have 1 ,000 horsepower They do wheelies up the hill Down the hill And over in Dubai I guess that's a big thing Going on right now A lot of the Recreational crap Yeah Not races Just recreational craft Yeah they just have fun What is it about people That you know Like the moment someone invented cars Look at these guys are Drifting Why is that exciting to go sideways, by the way.

[1745] I have no idea.

[1746] It's a feeling of being out of control.

[1747] It's kind of the most people.

[1748] Out of control while in control.

[1749] That's on an open freeway almost.

[1750] Yeah.

[1751] No, it looks like it is.

[1752] It doesn't seem like a smart move.

[1753] Well, I've seen some fucking horrific crashes, too.

[1754] Oh, yeah.

[1755] I've seen some of those Arab drifting crashes, where cars are flipping and bodies are flying out.

[1756] But the moment, like, people invented cars.

[1757] Like, how long before the moment a car was invented before people decided to and race them when the second car was built probably right no promise you when the second car was built henry ford based the whole industry our whole industry the first auto race was in in chicago but our whole industry is based on auto racing it's it's there's an it's even goes past the 60s it's back when henry for was he raced henry ford raced dusemberg raced all these guys raced to prove out edelbrock who's an aftermarket guy but he raced they all the thing in our industry is you know race on sunday sell on monday so i'm going to go out ford built his car's like i'm and win this race.

[1758] Indianapolis 5 -home is based on manufacturers racing.

[1759] Who's got the fastest car?

[1760] Yeah, I had a conversation with someone about that once, whether we were talking about planned obsolescence, like planned, like that there's certain technology that's available today that you're not going to see in cell phones or televisions because they wanted to be obsolete a year from now.

[1761] And he was trying to make the argument about automobiles, that they do that, that they can make the best car right.

[1762] And I'm like, you don't even know what the fuck you're talking about.

[1763] Because what they're doing right now is they're racing cars, and then they develop that technology based on those race cars, and that trickles down into the consumer aftermarket cars or consumer cars.

[1764] The Corvette program is the number one to look at, right?

[1765] So Corvette is the longest running sports car in America, longest built, isn't everyone out of production, and their race program, the transfer of technology, I did a whole documentary series on Corvette launching the C6, and the whole thing was transfer technology.

[1766] If they develop a, you know, you do the R &D, which is the hard part, right, which is what Rob does for his trucks, and they start looking and poking around.

[1767] You do in the RD and your race, and you make that C6 Corvette R, which is called C6 Corvette R, now C7 Corvette R. They race those teams.

[1768] Pratt and Miller builds them, and then there is a Chevrolet engineer, and I know them.

[1769] On the race team, looking at stuff, you know, check in camber, checking brakes, checking aerodynamics, checking everything, and that technology transfers to your car, which is why Corvette is still one of the most dominant cars out there.

[1770] For 70 grand you can get, just because they invest in that technology and that new one is incredible that stingrays pretty bad that is an incredible car it's beautiful looking I saw one the other day I thought it was a Ferrari same here I told my son I go check out that Ferrari because that's a Corvette I'm like oh you're right it looks like yeah it looks like a European like high in top end car and the interior's nice now too finally they figured out a way to make a car that doesn't look like a piece of shit with a fucking Impala steering wheel I mean they used to have these dog shit interiors.

[1771] Same thing the Viper did.

[1772] I did a document on rebuilding the Viper.

[1773] Ralph Shields from SRT Motors, he did the same thing.

[1774] They race, they learn stuff from racing, they put it in there, but the new Viper is amazing looking.

[1775] What's a better car?

[1776] The new Viper or the new Corvette?

[1777] Depends.

[1778] The price points are much different for the money.

[1779] The Corvette has to be it.

[1780] The price point on the Viper is 110 ,000, 115 ,000.

[1781] The Corvette, you can take the roof off, too.

[1782] That's pretty dope.

[1783] The Corvette's pretty cool.

[1784] Yeah, look at that thing.

[1785] I mean, they fuck and nailed it, man. Yeah, but see, all the hood vents, all the, all the brake ducts, all that stuff is all developed from racing.

[1786] It's all functional, yeah.

[1787] It's not nonsense.

[1788] It's not just something to look at, which, you know, cars have had in the past.

[1789] We were at a weird time right now in automobiles because there's so much power.

[1790] Great time.

[1791] Great time.

[1792] But so much power in the cars you could buy on the showroom floor.

[1793] Like, when they have the Shelby GT 500, 660 plus horsepower, right at the, you know, walk from the showroom, pay the guy your money, get in a car, and you have a 660 plus horsepower car with a live rear axle.

[1794] And you're stomping on the high.

[1795] And it goes, I mean, it's insane.

[1796] Zero to 60 in three seconds in a fucking car that you can just drive off a showroom floor.

[1797] And in the 60s used to be, you know, 280 horsepower, three.

[1798] The boss 302 came out, I was like, oh, it's got 320 horsepower.

[1799] That's nuts.

[1800] And I've actually driven an old 302, and I actually test drove the new 302 on a test track at Ford.

[1801] It's unbelievable.

[1802] Parnelli Jones said the same thing.

[1803] It's like, if we were racing Laguna Seca, Parnelli and I is like, if I had that car, this would be easy.

[1804] Well, the new 302, are you talking about the Laguna Seca one or the one that hasn't come out yet?

[1805] Yeah, we are, Parnell and I were test driving the Laguna Seca.

[1806] That's an incredible car.

[1807] That car got overlooked a lot by people.

[1808] It did.

[1809] Because, first of all, the stripes and everything were a little whack, like the way they were painting it.

[1810] But everybody wants the bigger engine.

[1811] Everybody wants the 550 horsepower Shelby, now the 668 horsepower Shelby.

[1812] But that 440 horsepower Laguna Seca was the perfect balance.

[1813] Front end to rear end.

[1814] There it is right there.

[1815] Yeah, with suspension.

[1816] That's the Boss 302, right?

[1817] Yeah, that's the Boss 302.

[1818] Yeah.

[1819] That's the Boss 302.

[1820] about Laguna Saka with the red and had the red rims and the red it had the front air um the front spoiler the race spoiler with the pipes coming off of it they just figured out a way to make cars that have horsepower that would be a fucking super exotic car just 20 years ago just 20 years ago just 20 years ago if you wanted to buy a car that had 400 horsepower I mean you're spending a hundred grand you're spending 150 grand you know you're buying you know, the top of the line Porsche at 9 -11 turbo or something like that.

[1821] Or a crazy Lamborghini?

[1822] Yeah.

[1823] Yeah, that's 300 grand.

[1824] Now you're buying a fucking Mustang GT.

[1825] Yep.

[1826] I mean, it's bizarre.

[1827] With bizarre time.

[1828] It's good.

[1829] It's very good.

[1830] But the amount of power and responsibility that comes with having one of these, you just hand it off to some fucking 17 -year -old kid.

[1831] Merry, you know, Merry Christmas, you little fuck.

[1832] Here's your key.

[1833] Well, they've also improved.

[1834] They've also improved breaks.

[1835] Brakes.

[1836] Trash control.

[1837] Actually, I have also, I have big issues with traction control, stuff like that, because you do hand that guy a 700 horsepower car, and then he really, then you just, you really unfuck everything for him, right?

[1838] If he gets a little squirrelly?

[1839] The car fixes it for him.

[1840] Yeah, the car fixes.

[1841] It starts breaking for you.

[1842] You don't have throttle cables anymore.

[1843] You've got drive -by wire, and you can hit wide -open throttle, but the drive -by -wire, the brain tells you, no, no, no, you don't want full throttle because you're just going to spin the tires.

[1844] I was racing at a road Atlanta in a corvette, a C -6 corvette, and they have this turn.

[1845] 11 that comes off and your car gets airborne and every time I get airborne I'd land the car shut off like okay idiot whatever you're doing you got to stop because that's not good we're not supposed to have four it would shut off it would go to limp mode shut off I go brr I go around the corner what if you had to fucking maneuver away from something well the injury would go in a limp mode it would go it would go it would shut down I'd nail the throttle there's no throttle it would go to it'd go into four cylinder mode limp mode until I got halfway through the straight it went and I go and I couldn't shut the damn thing off that's that's That's retarded.

[1846] Yeah.

[1847] That's terrible.

[1848] But now they're developing them with sport mode and other modes where you can do it.

[1849] You can flip a switch too on a lot of these.

[1850] Yeah.

[1851] So you can...

[1852] Well, the other problem is...

[1853] I don't know if this is true, but what people are really worried about is that someone is going to be able to have kill switches when they could shut your car off, like remotely.

[1854] Like, say if you're running from the cops or something like that.

[1855] They're doing it already.

[1856] They have that.

[1857] It's OnStar.

[1858] OnStar does that?

[1859] Yeah.

[1860] You're OnStar.

[1861] You can shut your car off like that.

[1862] Like, Joe Rogan just stole my Cadillac.

[1863] I'm driving down the road.

[1864] Can you please shut it off?

[1865] Bing.

[1866] Really?

[1867] Mm -hmm.

[1868] Can you pull that shit out?

[1869] Can you unplug all that stuff?

[1870] Probably.

[1871] Yeah, it's probably wired in.

[1872] It's definitely wired in.

[1873] But that's something you can't retroactively, you can't take like an old Corvette stingray, like a 1970 stingray, and just take all those modern components and have the same sort of experience that you would have driving a C -7 Corvette, but no, Monstar.

[1874] No nonsense.

[1875] Oh, yeah, I'm sure you can.

[1876] Can you?

[1877] But you couldn't have the traction control, right?

[1878] You couldn't, could you figure out a way to put a computer and have all that?

[1879] There's enough.

[1880] There's enough.

[1881] You know, tuners are, tuners and builders are amazing.

[1882] They can have the traction control in it.

[1883] Sure.

[1884] Because that's what a lot of people want to do now, right?

[1885] I mean, that's another show that you're doing, right?

[1886] Restro mods?

[1887] Resto mod, yep.

[1888] Resto mods are the thing where you take on an old car and you put all new suspension, new components.

[1889] That's very attractive to people.

[1890] Tim Allen's got him.

[1891] He's got a 69 Camaro, and it's got all new C7 Corvette, suspension, wheels, everything in it.

[1892] You can look it up.

[1893] It's green.

[1894] It's beautiful.

[1895] You pop the hood.

[1896] You know, like some of the stuff you in cars, you and I were looking at.

[1897] It's unbelievable.

[1898] And he drives that around?

[1899] You could drive it everywhere.

[1900] Yeah, drive it everywhere.

[1901] It starts like a Corvette.

[1902] You can start it from the remote.

[1903] Boom, 69 Camaro just started it up.

[1904] It's a cool car.

[1905] What about the interior?

[1906] Does it look like a new Corvette or is it like an old school interior as well?

[1907] It's an old school interior.

[1908] Wow.

[1909] Pull that up, man. Let me see this.

[1910] Yeah, it's built by Bodie Stroud built it.

[1911] Okay, I've heard that name before, right?

[1912] B .S. Yep, I've told you about it.

[1913] Yeah.

[1914] This is a video of it here.

[1915] Is this it?

[1916] Yep.

[1917] It's Tim Allen and Jay Leno.

[1918] Hey.

[1919] Wow.

[1920] Jay Leno's Garage.

[1921] Hey, everybody.

[1922] Oh, wow.

[1923] I mean, it really is a sleeper.

[1924] Yeah.

[1925] That's crazy.

[1926] That's a Corvette.

[1927] Turn the volume up.

[1928] Let me hear what he says to say about this.

[1929] This one here belongs to a real car guy.

[1930] Tim Allen.

[1931] Tim, come on in, buddy.

[1932] shitty wheels.

[1933] Wow.

[1934] Good to see you.

[1935] Good to see you.

[1936] What an introduction way.

[1937] Stock sucks.

[1938] It's true.

[1939] It's true.

[1940] Good to see you.

[1941] Comedian, actor, best -selling author, and Carga.

[1942] Cargai.

[1943] Yeah?

[1944] Movie star?

[1945] Yes.

[1946] But most of all, Cargai.

[1947] This is a beautiful Camaro.

[1948] You know, I've been looking at it when it first pulled in, I went, oh, a 68 Camaro.

[1949] But then I look, and there's all these subtle little changes, just the kind of things that I like.

[1950] Those aren't stock wheels.

[1951] They're way wider.

[1952] The rims are, but they're the ones that go in their stock.

[1953] Tom Sherwood used to race one of these on Woodward when I was a kid.

[1954] green, this car, stock 327, it's one of those things, just a great bullet.

[1955] It ran, it ran circles around, any other car.

[1956] I love that car, loved racing with them, no console.

[1957] It was the low -end one, wasn't the SS.

[1958] So I redid that, and I always like Smokey Unique, the transam car that he made, and every time I saw one, I think one of the Elder Brock family has it now.

[1959] And I'd see it race in these classic car racing, there's something about that car.

[1960] Right.

[1961] That's a beautiful car.

[1962] That's a beautiful car.

[1963] It's amazing.

[1964] And he's Jay, two inches off the rake of the hood, took off the drip rails, which I don't have on.

[1965] Oh, right.

[1966] They're natural flares, which they're not all buttoned up.

[1967] A lot of my time with a ball peen hammer, Jay, you know me, think, think, ding, ding, think, ding, think.

[1968] And then I decided in those days, in Woodward days, they had copos, which is, what is it?

[1969] Central Office production order.

[1970] You could put it on your order, and if you did the right sequence, GM would put a truck motor in cars.

[1971] That time was the 427.

[1972] Yeah.

[1973] And they put 427s in very few Camaros, and now they're, what, you know, 800 grand or something.

[1974] Right.

[1975] Well, what that means is GM did not want their big engine from the Corvette in the Camaro because it meant people buy a problem.

[1976] But if you knew the right people, or they're in his Bogotty room.

[1977] Is that what that is?

[1978] Yeah.

[1979] You could order a lot of his Bogotty.

[1980] He's in that.

[1981] You could special order a car with the big engine.

[1982] And that's what these had.

[1983] So I changed the name to that.

[1984] That's the name.

[1985] It's a 427 Copo.

[1986] That's what I called it.

[1987] And we did some great.

[1988] little name tags.

[1989] All this kind of stuff is details that I like.

[1990] Rally wheels that aren't wheels at all.

[1991] I mean, it's not a wheel like the old days.

[1992] Diss brakes have to fit underneath this.

[1993] Sure, you got to make them bigger.

[1994] Were they 17s?

[1995] Yes.

[1996] Yeah, I mean, that's what I like.

[1997] You know, I like it when someone does a period car.

[1998] I hate it when they all of a sudden they have 22 inch dubs on it.

[1999] Right.

[2000] It just doesn't look right.

[2001] Well, you know, this town, you hit a pothole and I'm sitting at the side of the road.

[2002] I got to have a, because I drive these things.

[2003] Right.

[2004] And well, that's a beautiful looking wheel.

[2005] I mean, that's a custom wheel you cannot buy.

[2006] that was made specifically for this vehicle.

[2007] Number one, I really wanted black wheels with hubcaps.

[2008] That's how Copos came.

[2009] They didn't come with rally wheels.

[2010] So I have a set of black wheels that I want.

[2011] Bumpers I put back on it.

[2012] All the trim went back on it.

[2013] Stock mirrors put back on it.

[2014] No console, none of that stuff.

[2015] Well, that's what I love.

[2016] It's really a beautiful, beautiful car.

[2017] See if you can get a video of the inside of it.

[2018] I want to see what they did through the inside of it if you get images.

[2019] But that's a trend that a lot of people are doing now, because they want to have that beautiful old school muscle car look, but they also want to have a car that, that's the interior?

[2020] No way.

[2021] That's a real interior.

[2022] That's...

[2023] That can't be the interior of the car.

[2024] Yeah, that's the interior of the car.

[2025] No way.

[2026] Press play.

[2027] Let me hear what he has to say.

[2028] That can't be the actual interior.

[2029] It's like a stunt interior?

[2030] I always like to break pedal.

[2031] It says disbreak...

[2032] Because that's an image instead of the video.

[2033] Why isn't...

[2034] Yeah, I don't know why they did it.

[2035] But that does interior.

[2036] car i've sat in their car that's what it looks like yeah so he had he put like an old stupid looking steering wheel and everything's a stock steering wheel everything stock interior but it's not stock handling like the no it's rock opinion and all that shit yeah it's all it's all c7 corvette wow that's the trend right that's what everybody wants yep and your new show when is that is that airing already pilot on history channel hasn't aired yet it'll be a pilot we're shooting the pilot right now and you're gonna start doing a bunch different cars like that doing four of them yeah now how much would Tim Allen have to spend to make something like that?

[2037] Three, 400 ,000?

[2038] Jesus, fucking Christ, you get a goddamn brand -new Corvette for 60 grand.

[2039] Talk about defeating the purpose.

[2040] You can get a trophy truck.

[2041] Why spend money on that way?

[2042] You could buy a trophy truck.

[2043] Well, that's what you're into now.

[2044] Regular cars on flat ground is boring as shit to you.

[2045] They are boring as shit.

[2046] Wait till you go.

[2047] Wait till you go for a ride.

[2048] Bring us back when you come back.

[2049] Okay.

[2050] I'll bring you back when I come back when we do Vegas.

[2051] When can people see your show?

[2052] Because I know you...

[2053] April 20th on CBS Sports.

[2054] April 20th, CBS Sports.

[2055] On Sunday, yeah, it's an hour long.

[2056] We're doing six one hours this year, including the Baja 1 ,000.

[2057] So all the races that Rob's racing in, including the San Felipe 250s, our first race that he raced in.

[2058] We'll tell you what happened, but he raced in, and it's on April 20th.

[2059] And Chris from Overholland, is he one of the hosts?

[2060] Yeah, Chris Jacobs from Overhollins, one of our, Cameron Steels, is another compadry of his.

[2061] He's one of our host, and he's a trophy truck racer also.

[2062] Awesome.

[2063] And Chris Jacobs.

[2064] Chris is a cool guy.

[2065] He's awesome.

[2066] And a crazy car nut himself.

[2067] There you go.

[2068] There's Chris.

[2069] Yep.

[2070] Wow.

[2071] Awesome stuff, man. Awesome stuff.

[2072] So do you have a Twitter account or anything like that?

[2073] Yeah, Rob Mac 21.

[2074] Rob Mac 21.

[2075] Okay.

[2076] And Bud, do you have a Twitter account?

[2077] No. No. He says, no. I wear all black.

[2078] I wear all black.

[2079] There'll be no Twitter.

[2080] No one wants to contact me. I don't have Twitter or Facebook.

[2081] They will now.

[2082] They will now.

[2083] The French are fucking mad.

[2084] at you.

[2085] Yeah, yeah.

[2086] I should have kicked your ass.

[2087] You did not pull over.

[2088] Now you talk shit about me. All right, April 20th, CBS, thank you guys.

[2089] This is a lot of fun.

[2090] Great conversation.

[2091] Thank you.

[2092] And Rob, thank you very much for explaining us your insane world.

[2093] Oh, we have one more thing for you.

[2094] Another.

[2095] When we race, especially when I started racing, if you don't win the race, sometimes you get a little bit of money, you get a trophy, right?

[2096] So we would only race, and I have a collection of my house, used to get these little pins, right?

[2097] Little hat pins, like a $2 hat pin that says finisher on it, right?

[2098] And that's all you race for.

[2099] You just spent all this money, all this time to kill yourself, you've got a wall for them.

[2100] I got like 10, right?

[2101] And it says finisher, and sometimes I have, you know, this, and I got a plaque that says winter.

[2102] But they've upgraded a little bit, but generally you run, Rob and I brought something for you, which is going to be a finisher's medal from the Baja 500.

[2103] Oh, that's what it looks like?

[2104] You can have it.

[2105] Why would I have that Ryan?

[2106] It didn't finish shit.

[2107] I don't deserve to have this.

[2108] It's ridiculous.

[2109] You get to remember us.

[2110] I'll remember you no matter what, dude.

[2111] You live in my neighborhood.

[2112] This is ridiculous.

[2113] I can't have this.

[2114] I'll leave it here, but I won't touch it.

[2115] I don't deserve to.

[2116] I don't deserve to.

[2117] All right, good times, gentlemen.

[2118] Rob McCackran, Bud Bredsman, and April 20th, you could watch it on CBS Sports, watch it, tune in, enjoy support.

[2119] And the History Channel thing is just a pilot.

[2120] Is it airing?

[2121] Yeah, it'll be air probably fourth quarter from December.

[2122] All right, let us know when that's going to be.

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[2124] Well, I'll tell you all about it, but he's actually a really good pool player.

[2125] Apparently, he's like professional level.

[2126] So we're going to play some pool.

[2127] And then we'll be back Friday with one of the co -founders of Reddit.

[2128] Next week, we've got Dave Attell's coming in and a few other people.

[2129] Oh, and Andreas Antonopoulos is going to come back to and discuss.

[2130] us what the fuck is going on with Bitcoin, because it seems to be the hot topic these days.

[2131] Okay, we'll be back.

[2132] We'll see you soon.

[2133] Much love to everybody.

[2134] Thank you very much.