#2015 - Zach Bryan

[0] Joe Rogan podcast, checking out.

[1] The Joe Rogan Experience.

[2] Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day.

[3] What's happening, baby?

[4] How you doing, Joe?

[5] How you doing?

[6] And we're drinking Bud Light, ladies, ladies.

[7] Sorry, guys.

[8] Sorry.

[9] We're fucked.

[10] There's nothing wrong with it.

[11] Mm -mm.

[12] People are so...

[13] Cheers, sir.

[14] Cheers, brother.

[15] Because people are so silly.

[16] We were just talking about how silly this.

[17] One person made a really stupid decision.

[18] Now everybody's decided that Bud Light is the enemy.

[19] But that's like this thing that people do in America.

[20] where they just decide now or hate these people these people are the enemy and you know and it's over yeah and it's over the reason i've drinking bud light and butterwise like my entire adult life and then on on twitter i defended my my sister's spouse and people were like people were pissed and i was like i'm so i didn't mean to do this it was crazy and Travis trit came after me and i was like he didn't come after me Travis trit is so respectable and he's like a good guy and i met him at the two -step in where you were and it was just It was cool to get to talk to him about it and see, like, two different views.

[21] And it was cool, sitting in the room with them and hearing it.

[22] Well, you know, people, just the culture war in this country is so goofy.

[23] It's so overblown.

[24] And a lot of it's people just not talking to each other.

[25] It's people talking through social media and talking through narratives.

[26] And it's just...

[27] It freaks me out.

[28] Yeah?

[29] It freaks me out.

[30] And being so public, you too, as well.

[31] It's so scary.

[32] I feel like it keeps people from being who they actually are.

[33] Oh, yeah.

[34] Which is terrifying because every time I get anywhere, I'm like, shit, man. I can't say or do this, and then when you do, it's fucking, it's crazy.

[35] It's psychotic.

[36] There's a lot of self -censoring, but I think it's important to speak your mind.

[37] I think it's getting better.

[38] Yeah, it's just more people have to do it, and then more people.

[39] You know, people are worried about the repercussions, but you have to understand that when you're a person like yourself or a person like me, you're communicating to millions of people, and so you're going to have a certain percentage of them that are upset at everything you say, whether you say you like to eat meat, or whether you're saying.

[40] say you think Robert F. Kennedy Jr. is a good guy or whether you think that you know, whatever the fuck you think.

[41] And you only have one you only have one life, man. Allegedly.

[42] Yeah, I guess.

[43] I'm not sure about that.

[44] I'm not sure about that.

[45] You ever feel like you've been here before?

[46] No, I saw your podcast like two years ago about the infinity thing.

[47] Yeah.

[48] And I kept telling people about it like in Oklahoma and stuff and like, what the Isn't it weird that that freaks people out?

[49] Like it freaks people out like I love life.

[50] I love my family.

[51] I love my friends.

[52] I love my job.

[53] I love existing.

[54] I enjoy it very much.

[55] But if I had to do this over and over again forever for infinity, it's a weird feeling.

[56] It freaks people out.

[57] Have you seen that Black Mirror episode?

[58] No. Not to be that guy.

[59] No, I've seen a bunch of them.

[60] There's a black mirror episode where they're in a cabin.

[61] And this guy's in prison for infinity.

[62] And he's talking to this guy over and over and over again.

[63] Wow.

[64] And there's the new one.

[65] The new season came out.

[66] And the same thing, they're in space and they're like coming down.

[67] I'm not going to ruin it.

[68] No, no worries.

[69] It's crazy.

[70] It's an amazing show.

[71] It freaks you out.

[72] It's my favorite show.

[73] It's good.

[74] It's great show.

[75] My wife won't watch it with me. Really?

[76] She thinks it's scary.

[77] Really?

[78] She gets freaked out by it.

[79] Yeah.

[80] She doesn't like things that could be real.

[81] I get that.

[82] I get that.

[83] A lot of people like when I bring it up, they're like, I don't know.

[84] And I'm like, did you ever see heavy metal?

[85] Uh -uh.

[86] That's the one where the robots are chasing this lady.

[87] Oh, yeah.

[88] The dogs.

[89] I didn't like that.

[90] I stopped watching it.

[91] That one freaked me out too much.

[92] I was like, no way.

[93] That's so close to real.

[94] Well, the one about the murdering, too.

[95] There's a one where this chick like murders.

[96] Oh, yeah.

[97] And she gets in this, like, white lie of trying to hide from it.

[98] Like, she's, like, hiding it from her kids and stuff?

[99] Yeah.

[100] Wow.

[101] It's just, it's so close to real.

[102] It's so close to real.

[103] There was a World Economic Forum video that they just put out about people going to work and wearing earbuds.

[104] Have you seen it, Jamie?

[105] Going to work and wearing earbuds that monitor your brain waves.

[106] And the brain waves are going to tell whether or not you're being productive.

[107] or distracted.

[108] And in this video, this woman is kind of fantasizing about a guy she works with and then catches herself doing it and then some guy gets busted for like...

[109] Is this a show?

[110] What is this?

[111] It's just a video explaining how in the future you're going...

[112] See if you could find it.

[113] I mean, I'm seeing the people talking about it.

[114] Dude, you saying this reminds me yesterday I was in Walmart and I was like walking around and I was like looking for something to buy.

[115] And one of the girls I asked the question to shed an air butt in or an air pod in.

[116] And I was like, why would you do that?

[117] You're like walking around work and people are asking you for help.

[118] and stuff and she's just walking around like listening to it's like talking to people with and listening to this music yeah kids do that today my kids do that they'll have one ear open I was kind of I didn't mean to I didn't mean to be an ass but I was like I was talking to the guy at the here it is yeah that's check this out yeah check this video this is this is bonkers dude this is really cursor to the left and scroll through your brain data over the past few hours you can do your stress levels rising training videos as the deadline to finish your memo Yeah, and she's wearing these earbuds.

[119] Has the peak in your beta brainwave activity right before an alert popped up, telling you to take a brain break.

[120] But what's that unusual change in your brain activity?

[121] This is not the one I saw.

[122] Okay.

[123] There's another one that I saw that's...

[124] That's scary than a black mirror episode.

[125] The other one's more scary because it talks about like self -censoring at work and monitoring your thoughts at work.

[126] I can see it.

[127] God, I sent it to somebody.

[128] I could see it.

[129] What the fuck did I send it to?

[130] I mean, this video on TikTok seems like I just...

[131] saw the brainwave thing you just said.

[132] Oh, come on.

[133] Like that?

[134] That's the same video.

[135] Yep, this is it.

[136] This is it.

[137] Oh, it's a little later in there?

[138] Yeah.

[139] Okay, so I'd only seen part of it.

[140] That's it.

[141] Keep it rolling.

[142] You got two going.

[143] Oh, my God.

[144] This is a nightmare.

[145] This is black mirror.

[146] This is what I hear at night.

[147] Oh, this is fine.

[148] Let this play.

[149] No, it's before this.

[150] It's before this.

[151] where she's fantasizing about this guy that's it, yeah, that's it, that's the guy.

[152] How do you smoke pot and watch stuff like that?

[153] I love it.

[154] That's crazy.

[155] Back up.

[156] But you can't help fantasizing.

[157] The mind starts to, if you take a quick look at my brain data, anything to worry about?

[158] The doctor.

[159] Your mind starts to wander to the new colleague on your team.

[160] No way.

[161] Come on.

[162] Given the policy against intra -office romance.

[163] But you can't help fantasizing and just so long.

[164] But then you start to worry.

[165] worry that your boss will notice your amorous feelings when she checks your brain activity to shift your attention back to the presence.

[166] Imagine all the shitty things you've thought of at work and your boss knowing.

[167] Congratulations on your brain metrics.

[168] So you've earned you another performance bonus.

[169] So you get bonuses for thinking a certain way.

[170] Where is this?

[171] Where is this fraud?

[172] The cloud has fallen over the office, along with emails, tax messages, and GPS location data.

[173] The government has subpoenaed employees' brainwave data from the past year.

[174] They have compelling evidence that one of your co -workers has committed massive wire fraud.

[175] Now, they're looking for his co -conspirators.

[176] You discover they are looking for synchronized brain activity between your coworker and the people he has been working with.

[177] While you know your innocence of any crime, you've been secretly working with him on a new startup venture.

[178] Shaking, you remove your earbuds.

[179] You know what's crazy about that?

[180] You know what's crazy about that?

[181] I feel like the world right now with all of our phones is the same way.

[182] Because your phone knows everything about you.

[183] Yeah.

[184] And people can do that.

[185] But it's not the same, but it's like...

[186] It's getting there.

[187] It feels like it.

[188] I mean, the idea of being able to collect data on everywhere you walk...

[189] I remember when I was...

[190] I guess it was like I want to say it was like 99, 2000 was the first GPS thing that I had, and you would load it, I think, with CDs or DVRs.

[191] I remember when Garman's came out and my grandpa was going crazy.

[192] Yeah.

[193] He would put it on the dash of his truck and he's like, we're going to Texas and we know where we're going.

[194] Yeah, you had a map with you all the time.

[195] But the one that I had in the early days, I only had California because that's all the data could fit.

[196] And the California data was on like a CD -ROM or a DVD.

[197] I can't remember which one it was.

[198] but you had to load it, I remember.

[199] And it was kind of clunky, but I was like, this is wild.

[200] This is, like, very early on with that kind of electronics.

[201] Thinking about it now, like, what's freaked me out the most in the last year of my life has been friends of mine and people that I've met and things.

[202] I got a flip phone, like, six months ago.

[203] I was like, man, I called you on it.

[204] When I first started talking to, I was on my flip phone.

[205] Because I was talking to a friend of mine, and it was like, they were like, well, how are you going to track?

[206] How are you going to know where your friends are at?

[207] like with the tracking on iPhones and stuff like that you can like see your friends I'm like what do you mean I don't think we're supposed to know where we're all at and it's scary as shit why do I want you to know that I'm at my house or if I'm even your best friends in the entire world our parents never did that it's weird you know it's crazy it's weird and then some people are gonna want to know where you are all the time why won't you let me know where you are Zach?

[208] Yeah it's six years that's like seven years ago I read Snapchat because I saw the map with all the fucking heads on it and kids are growing up like this bro it's crazy My kids use that constantly.

[209] They're always tracking their friends.

[210] And I'm 27.

[211] I'm not allowed to say that yet.

[212] I don't know.

[213] You're still a kid.

[214] I don't know what age that is where you can start saying the kids, you know, which is cringy to say.

[215] You can say it at 27.

[216] After 25, you can kind of say it occasionally.

[217] That's how I feel.

[218] Yeah.

[219] After 25, I was like, holy fuck, man. Life is not.

[220] Then once you're 30, like, oh my God, I'm a grown up.

[221] I was told at 30 you feel more.

[222] I was told at 30 you feel like more settled.

[223] Depends on who you are.

[224] Sometimes people aren't happy at 30, and then they start panicking more because they haven't got anything done my fucking i don't know about your 20s i don't know what you did in your 20s but my 20s have been like this crazy roller coaster that have just like it hasn't stopped and i'm like holy shit this is what they meant by the 20s or yeah psychotic i mean you're just over being 10 yeah literally 10 17 years ago and you think you know everything man when you're 22 and 23 it's so scary of course decisions and shit you make it's crazy you got into you got into making music.

[225] Well, I'll say you were successful making music while you were still in the military, right?

[226] Yes.

[227] How old were you?

[228] 22 when I started.

[229] Wow.

[230] I started putting videos on Twitter and it was psychotic.

[231] It was crazy because I did it like, I get all these messages all the time from people who were like, hey man, I was around when you release Head and South.

[232] I've been here from the beginning and I'm like, wow.

[233] Really?

[234] The very beginning, you know, and I started putting videos on Twitter back in like 2017 and then I just kept doing it and doing it and doing it because I was in the Navy I had a lot of shit going on I had like I didn't believe in therapy because that's crazy in the Navy you know and uh I started just making music and I started posting them on Twitter and people I'd get like five or six likes and I didn't care it was nice it was nice to go home it was nice to go home and feel the way I did and write and put music on Twitter I don't know it's kind of my validation in the world of I can write a song at least right and then man one i was it i was training in florida and one day i put like four or five videos up and they just went like crazy viral and i was like cool neat and then my life just kept going up and up and up and i was at that time did you have any what were your your aspirations about recording no i didn't even know what it was that's why all my beginning records are shitty you never thought they're not shitty but see when i recorded this when i I recorded this I was about to like go inside I was like whatever I'll just throw this on the internet and it was like an iPhone uh -huh and it was like the number one voted Reddit video in the entire like world I think I don't know but I was like getting calls for people I'm like what the hell's going on everyone it works like you're going viral I was like what and we're like literally like learning how to load missiles and shit I'm like cool sick man and uh it's it's been crazy and I never I never in my life envisioned being a musician ever really period No. I thought I was going to, my old man was in the Navy for 25 years.

[235] He was a master chief.

[236] My mom was in the Navy.

[237] My grandpa was in the Navy.

[238] Both, yeah, just that like, whatever.

[239] And I was like, I'm going to be in the Navy until the day I die, probably, until I retire at least.

[240] And that was it.

[241] That was going to be my life.

[242] And I was thinking about it yesterday, how crazy my reality is now.

[243] Like, coming back to Oklahoma and being around people and people like coming to get me in diners and me, like, take a picture of me. I'm like, what is going on, man?

[244] What is going on, man?

[245] And there's like 700 people hate me online I'm like bro I didn't fucking mean to do this I don't I'm sorry It's crazy Wow I just kept going Kept writing So when you made your music You just made it for fun You make it for yourself Did you plan on No I just wanted to be a writer I think writing is like the most beautiful thing in the world Because I used to read like Steinbeck books and stuff When I was a kid And I just thought it was so crazy That someone could Take words And put them on a page and it would make you feel something.

[246] Not to be deep either, I mean that.

[247] Like, you can be reading a book and feel something like visceral and real from a page on a book.

[248] It's just ink, and you're looking at it, and I was like, that's crazy.

[249] So I started writing poems and stuff when I was a kid.

[250] And those turned into songs because writing poems is lame, right?

[251] Not really.

[252] Now that I'm 27, I know that it's not.

[253] But when I was a kid, I thought that.

[254] And I was like, what way can you write poems and it's not weird?

[255] That's why I started playing guitar.

[256] Yeah, poems are one of those ones people are embarrassed to say that you know exactly yeah and I never under I don't get that nowadays but I do if you're you know why you know why because the people that aren't embarrassed when they talk about poetry or annoying yeah they are they're annoying oh man you that's the problem people talking me about writing I'm like man you suck please please don't I don't want to read I don't want to hear it I don't want to hear it man so people just want to unload on you because it's almost it's almost embarrassing to like write vulnerable stuff yeah but it's not at all at the same time It's like you have one life, you know?

[257] Well, it connects with people so much.

[258] The vulnerable stuff, like, it connects with people.

[259] It resonates with people so much.

[260] And people act like you should be ashamed of it.

[261] Well, it's just...

[262] People are ashamed of emotions for some strange reason.

[263] It's strange.

[264] It's really weird to talk to people about it.

[265] It's very stupid.

[266] At the same time, so many people are drawn to them.

[267] Like, I have so many happy songs, and people always love my, like, darker ones.

[268] And I'm like, this isn't my fault.

[269] You guys all lean towards this.

[270] It's not...

[271] I think what stems from is people criticizing people who lose control of their emotions, like people who are too emotional.

[272] So it could be any little thing that goes wrong in their life and they break down and start crying and think the world is out to get them.

[273] Like that is, that's annoying to people.

[274] I agree.

[275] And in harder times, that is really looked down on because those are the people that don't carry their own weight.

[276] Those are the people that get in the way.

[277] those are the people that panic and battle those the people that can't control their emotions so when we think about someone who's exploring their emotions or expressing their emotions we like kind automatically think about the most annoying aspect of expressing your emotions other people in your childhood it were just crying all the time yeah well people there's some people that just like anything that goes wrong in their life they think the universe is out to get them like god damn it like Have you ever seen Africa?

[278] You ever seen like people that are living in third world countries?

[279] You ever think people that are walking from Guatemala to try to get through to Mexico to get to America?

[280] Wake up every morning and so happy to breathe here in America, man. I wake up every morning.

[281] I'm like, holy shit, this could be so much worse.

[282] Yeah, that's like when this whole border crisis thing is going on.

[283] And I'm like, listen, if I was living in Honduras and I had no way of making out and I knew that I could walk all the way to America, My cousin was going to do it.

[284] My brother was going to do it.

[285] It's going to take us two weeks to walk to America.

[286] Like, let's fucking go, man. Otherwise, we're stuck.

[287] And you have to think about that being a story in itself.

[288] Yeah.

[289] Like, for you as that person who's like, I'm going to go make this trek and make this journey in my life to make it better.

[290] That's like an odyssey, right?

[291] Well, people do what they have to do in order to make their life better.

[292] And when there's nothing you have to do because your life's pretty fucking easy, then people find all sorts of stupid shit to come.

[293] complain about because people have there's like a level of dissatisfaction that most people just contain all day long and a lot of it is like they have a lot of dissatisfaction about their own self yeah and they don't address that so instead they find all this dissatisfaction in the world but that whatever that percentage is whether their life is unbelievably brutal or whether their life is really easy they still want to spend you know 30 what percent fucking complaining about shit yeah so they find dumb shit to complain about that means nothing have you have you there's weird you're bringing this up because I posted on my Instagram, I had to bring it up, but I posted on my Instagram last week this thing called the Catastrophe of Success.

[294] Have you ever read that?

[295] No. By Tennessee Williams?

[296] Oh.

[297] There's this paragraph at the end.

[298] He talks about how success just made him like, you got to, sorry.

[299] Yeah, pull it up.

[300] I'm so sorry.

[301] No, don't pause it.

[302] Okay.

[303] No, I'm going to.

[304] You got to read this.

[305] Yeah, yeah.

[306] Okay.

[307] You know then that public somebody you are when you have a name, yeah, you can read it, but.

[308] Okay, you know then that the public somebody you are when you have a name is a fiction created with mirrors and that only somebody worth being is the solitary and unseen you that existed from your first breath and which is the sum of your actions and so is constantly in a state of becoming under your own violation and knowing these things you can even survive the catastrophe of success.

[309] Wrong paragraph.

[310] I had one job.

[311] It's the one above it.

[312] But it talks about what you were just saying that people get so content in their lives that they make like the only thing worth the only thing worth it in this life is conflict you have to have that conflict in those stories and those things that make you suffer to be happy and content which is just crazy to think about yeah it says this is an oversimplification one does not escape that easily from the seduction of an effet way of life is that how to say that?

[313] I don't know A feat?

[314] How do you say that Jeremy?

[315] You got it.

[316] A feat?

[317] Killed it.

[318] With one of them?

[319] I got it with one of them.

[320] The first one?

[321] That's one of those things I've only read I've never like said out loud.

[322] I've never seen that word bless all this.

[323] I was like, no way, man. You cannot arbitrarily say to yourself, I will not continue my life as it was before this thing.

[324] Success happened to me. But once you fully apprehend the vacuity of a life without struggle, you are equipped with the basic means of salvation.

[325] Once you know this is true that the heart of man, his body and brain are forged in a white, hot furnace for the purpose of conflict, the struggle of creation, and that with the conflict removed, the man is a sword cutting daisies.

[326] That's amazing.

[327] That's sick.

[328] That not privation, but luxury, is the wolf at the door, and that the fangs of this wolf are all the little vanities and conceits and laxities that success is heir to.

[329] Why?

[330] Then with this knowledge, you are at least in a position of knowing where danger lies.

[331] And people who are content, that's what it means.

[332] You won't be happy without the conflict of...

[333] You need struggle.

[334] And that's very unfortunate.

[335] That's what I've dealt with a lot lately in my life and like the touring life and things like that.

[336] Being successful in anything, it's just hard I think.

[337] Which that's so, I'm not trying It's not trying to bullshit anyone.

[338] Yeah, of course.

[339] It's not like your coal miner.

[340] Exactly.

[341] I'm not being like in the 1800s.

[342] Yeah.

[343] And you're 12.

[344] Yeah.

[345] It's fucking complicated.

[346] It's complicated is better to say than hard.

[347] It's also super bizarre because there's not a lot of people you could talk to about it.

[348] Of course.

[349] Yeah.

[350] There's no one who relates.

[351] It's hard.

[352] But it's not.

[353] Try to talk to a bunch of different people about it like early on and everybody has a different take on it and some it's interesting to see like some people as time has gone on they've dealt with it less and less well which is crazy to think about you would think as you went along the route you get better at it yeah yeah a lot of things and it's just been it's been insane and that really every time i feel however i'm like stressed out i'll read that i'm like cool everything will be all right for me um that's why exercise is like a key component of my mental health regimen.

[354] It's more mental health than anything.

[355] Personally, because when I was in the Navy, I was running, like, I was running marathons, like on the weekends.

[356] Because I loved it so much.

[357] Running, I've always ran, like, a lot.

[358] And I've lost that along the way of being a musician.

[359] And I've noticed a decline in, like, how I feel, like, energy -wise.

[360] You know what I mean?

[361] Yeah.

[362] And it's freaked me out.

[363] So every morning when I wake up to play a show, I'll always go and run now.

[364] I always try to tell other comics that, like, because a lot of comics do not like to take care of themselves.

[365] It's like part of the fun of being a comedian.

[366] You're just lazy and crazy and you're doing drugs.

[367] Has it a musician too.

[368] Yeah.

[369] It's a part of the thing.

[370] But I always tell them your body is literally the race car that you're maneuvering around life in.

[371] And if you can give that race car more horsepower, if you make it more robust, it works better.

[372] It works better with everything.

[373] It thinks better.

[374] It handles emotions better.

[375] It sleeps better.

[376] It eats better.

[377] You'll be smarter.

[378] And people don't want to believe that because it's easier to not.

[379] It's also more fun.

[380] But fucking lazy.

[381] It's also fun though.

[382] To not care.

[383] To go crazy?

[384] But then you realize, it makes it so much worse.

[385] That's what happened to me last year.

[386] Because I mean, I wasn't like being crazy.

[387] I wasn't like shooting up or anything.

[388] But we were just we were just drinking so much and we weren't like working out and like...

[389] Right.

[390] It was just like...

[391] And I woke up one morning.

[392] I was like in New York City and I'm like, man, I feel just bad.

[393] I shouldn't feel like this at 8 in the morning.

[394] I haven't done any thing.

[395] And that's when I started like addressing, I called my dad.

[396] I'm like, man, I got to do something.

[397] That's the real problem with booze.

[398] That's the real problem with booze.

[399] Unnoticed, yeah.

[400] Boose is so much worse for you than weed or mushrooms or anything else.

[401] Booze is the worst because it removes all of your, uh, am I being an asshole filter?

[402] So you're fucking loud.

[403] Yeah, yeah.

[404] So people get loud and confident and uninhibited.

[405] And then you feel terrible the next day.

[406] Exactly.

[407] It's the worst drug.

[408] But it's also really fun.

[409] It's the most fun thing you can do.

[410] It's pretty fun.

[411] People give me shit all the time because my sister, my sister sobered up a long, long time ago.

[412] And we always talk about it with each other in a way of balancing our lives and things like that and drinking and all that.

[413] And every time I talk to her, she's like, well, why don't you just quit drinking if you feel bad all the time?

[414] And I'm like, because I'm a musician, it's a great time to be like that night at the mothership and stuff.

[415] Like you go down and you start drinking with your friends and things.

[416] It's when it gets out of hand that it's not okay.

[417] Yeah.

[418] Yeah.

[419] It's a balancing act, for sure.

[420] Did you see Huberman's podcast?

[421] On alcohol?

[422] No, I didn't.

[423] Sure, it's terrible.

[424] I watched, yeah, no. I watched that man, I was like, I'm never put the get away.

[425] Yeah, it's scary.

[426] He was talking about it, and I was like, I probably was drinking a beer because it was like 8 p .m. And I'm like, oh, shit.

[427] He was like, no, this is, he did not, don't quote me on this.

[428] He was like, it kills you.

[429] Every time, every time you drink.

[430] And I was like, man, I got it's poison.

[431] Because I'd stop drinking, I thought, man, I thought I was being a smoking.

[432] And like last year we were drinking a lot of whiskey And I was like, I'm gonna stop drinking whiskey I'll stick with the light beers and just the beer I started drinking beer and I felt worse And I was like shit You're getting a lot of carbohydrates Exactly and I didn't realize that I woke up every morning like full And I'm like why I just can't eat breakfast And it was just crazy calories If you're drinking 12 beers shit That's a shit load of calories And I mean our days are so long Like being a musician people don't realize How much fucking time you're just waiting around Because you get to the venue early and then you wait around all day to play and then you play and then afterwards everyone wants to talk so you're like up for like 18 hours and there's beer involved in everything and you don't even meaning to do it but you're like man at the end of the night you're like I gotta eat something man it's crazy there's stages of guys drinking less and one of them is they go to the tequila stage like tequila doesn't give you hangovers man tequila's bad right don't they do that that's like one of the stages you even saying tequila makes me want to just gag I can't do it even the smell of it freaks me out That's probably my favorite drink Interesting Yeah Wow now It doesn't fuck me up As much as other ones I like when I am purposely Trying to get fucked up It's whiskey Of course Yeah me too So I had to stop drinking it But the older I get the more I realize like Dude you're not invincible You can't do this That's what man it's crazy Your body starts declining And you're like I gotta Do you ever do Ivy vitamin drips after you drink I tried them once And it made me feel worse So now I'm like scared of him Yeah I did it at a festival one time Because I was just I did ACL And I'm not ACL's amazing and everything.

[433] It's awesome, but, man, I woke up the next morning, and I was like, I can't, man. There's no way.

[434] It was like 5 .30.

[435] I had like the 5 .30 slot, and we had been driving all night.

[436] I was like, man, I can't do this.

[437] And Danny's like, here, do this IV.

[438] It'll make you feel better.

[439] And I did it, and I went on stage.

[440] I was like, oh, this is terrible.

[441] Really?

[442] I had a great time, and the show was fine, but it was just.

[443] I did feel worse.

[444] It gave me a headache for some reason.

[445] That's interesting.

[446] What, man, hmm.

[447] I don't want to throw any coffee.

[448] companies under the bus, but I wonder, like, what they put in it.

[449] There's always those IV companies at, like, the festivals and things, yeah.

[450] What you want to get in is glutathione.

[451] That's a big one.

[452] And it actually helps your liver process alcohol.

[453] A lot of people take glutathione while they drink to actually help.

[454] I was literally about to ask, can you do it simultaneously?

[455] Yeah, you can be needled up and drinking at the same time.

[456] You could.

[457] I think that would be cumbersome.

[458] But a lot of people take liposomal glutathione.

[459] It's a way it gets in your bloodstream better.

[460] You, like, squirt it under your tongue.

[461] I've tried that before.

[462] But generally, you're rehydrating, and you're getting, like, a full panel of vitamins.

[463] You're getting zinc.

[464] You're getting vitamin D and B and a lot of high -dose vitamin C. It's good for your body, for sure.

[465] Of course.

[466] And when you're recovering from a night of drinking, it's good to, like, give your body the, you know, the building blocks to try to get your shit together.

[467] Wow.

[468] To speak about it technically.

[469] my body like hit a wall because I was so I was so like in the Navy and it was so physical like it was so physical and like you had to be in such great physical shape and then like all of a sudden it was like out right do whatever you want yeah now it's like you're free and I was like okay let's go it was crazy it was crazy I waited like eight months to it was just such a crazy story and then when I finally had freedom I kind of overdid it do you ever think about taking like a trainer with you on the road I think we're doing it next year that's a good move but I hate there's something in me not my It might be my ego or whatever, but there's something in me. It's like, no, you can do it yourself.

[470] Well, you can, but will you?

[471] Exactly.

[472] That's what's hard.

[473] If you haven't so far.

[474] It's so unexpected.

[475] Well, I mean, I have enough.

[476] But you know what you could do?

[477] You could make, like, an agreement with the guys that you work with, like, where everyone's going to do a specific amount of working out every day.

[478] Like, you're going to do, like, X amount of days a week, and you have to do, with each workout, 20 minutes of cardio, 100 push -ups.

[479] That's cool, too.

[480] It's camaraderie amongst the guys.

[481] We've been doing better this year on the road.

[482] But if you, like, have something like that where everybody can complain about it and talk shit about it and have fun with it.

[483] That's when people do their best, man. When there's a market, they got to, like, compete with.

[484] It's cool.

[485] It's also, like, a bonding experience, and it's also, you know, it's a shared experience.

[486] It's like, you're having a fun time, and you're getting stuff done.

[487] And it'll force you to do it.

[488] Like, you'll hold each other accountable.

[489] And just do it for a month.

[490] The only thing I'm going to do for the next month is play pool.

[491] Yeah.

[492] Yeah.

[493] You got to get better.

[494] I was good at pool, man. Yeah, I play a lot, though.

[495] It's not fair.

[496] I thought, I'm telling you, when I say we did too.

[497] Yeah.

[498] A lot, like, too much.

[499] People, like, refer to it when they're talking to me. That's crazy.

[500] Well, there's pool that you play in a bar, like, on a bar table.

[501] And then there's tournament pool that you play on a tight -pocketed table.

[502] When I showed up and the guy started telling me the rules, I was like, I'm sorry.

[503] What?

[504] That's for nine ball.

[505] Of course.

[506] Yeah, but we play eight ball.

[507] It's the best game in the world besides maybe, like, poker.

[508] I love it.

[509] I love it more than anything because you have to execute.

[510] It's one of the rare games where it's not just knowing what to do and figuring out little puzzles, but you have to execute.

[511] Like you have to control your body.

[512] You just put words to how I feel about it too.

[513] I've always thought that way.

[514] I'm like, how is this game so damn fun?

[515] I think that's the same thing that people get with golf, you know, because you have to execute.

[516] You have to make the shot.

[517] Golf, man. You play golf?

[518] No, I don't.

[519] But Jamie's an addict.

[520] I can't do golf.

[521] Jamie just got back from my tournament.

[522] I can't do golf.

[523] Something about it I just can't do.

[524] You'll get there It's got to be the shorts I'm just kidding I'm just kidding A lot of my friends do play golf And they always try to get me to play It's a super addictive game That's the only reason why I've never messed with it Really?

[525] I just I don't want to get addicted Like Tony Hinchcliff and him And Ron White And a lot of my good friends Are just full on golf junkies Really?

[526] They can't stop playing I've been living in the Northeast And there's a big It's like there's a lot of I feel like in golf You have to go out And like there's a lot of work involved In the golf Same with like sports like lacrosse and stuff like that there's just like a lot of shit you gotta have to oh yeah golf you gotta have so how many fucking clubs do you have you're supposed to have 14 or so in your bag plus your shoes it just rules about what you gotta wear out there yeah i just thought it was annoying carrying a pool queue on the road they're taking a pool cue 60 -pound bag i feel like a dork when i do that if you walk into you're not a dork if you do that because some of my friends do it but you walk into a bar with a pull a stick it's like yeah i'm not and also people are like they don't want to play you at that point i don't at least if i'm in a bar and a guy brings a pool stick in like a glove i'm like okay but the thing like i never play pool much in bars that's what you're saying out there yeah real pool halls yeah that make it that's a different game yeah yeah way different yeah maybe that's why i think i'm so damn good yeah yeah you're playing lemons yeah yeah it's crazy but a lot of pool players that are really good go to bars because people do think they're good at pool and they'll go and talk shit hustle up man someone'll try to gamble The next thing you know they're walking out of there were 10 grand.

[527] I have a bunch of friends that have done that.

[528] We do the dumbest shit at bars when it comes to the pool because we'll all be drinking beers all night.

[529] It'll be like midnight and someone's like, I'll bet you on this one.

[530] And then like the whole bar will get around, you know, and just watch us play.

[531] It's crazy.

[532] Yeah.

[533] It's psychotic.

[534] Yeah, gambling.

[535] It's scary.

[536] Dude, I was in Vegas with Dana White, Taylor Lewin.

[537] Who else was gambling?

[538] Will Compton.

[539] Who else was gambling?

[540] That was Will was gambling.

[541] And Shane.

[542] And Shane Gillis was with us and Jamie.

[543] And Dana Hoyt was gambling, and he was down $600 ,000 playing blackjack.

[544] And I was like, no, don't do it.

[545] Taylor was telling us.

[546] So we were backstage with Shane.

[547] Shane Gillis is doing a show at the Mirage.

[548] I came to hang out.

[549] We're all having a good time.

[550] And then he goes, hey, we're going to go gamble with Dana.

[551] I'm like, oh, my God.

[552] Do you know how hard he gambles?

[553] He's like, I'm up all this money.

[554] Taylor's like, I'm fired up.

[555] Dana shows me how to bet.

[556] We get there.

[557] Taylor's down $120 ,000 in the first five minutes.

[558] But can also go the other way.

[559] Yeah.

[560] That's why people do it.

[561] It did go the other way.

[562] He made his money back and he won like $65 ,000, I think.

[563] And then he backed out.

[564] People will just gamble on anything, which is cool.

[565] I do this thing every year where I go to the casino and I'll put X amount of dollars on red every time, no matter what.

[566] And I've never lost, which I'll probably lose now that I jinxed it.

[567] But like every year, once a year I'll go and put.

[568] money on red just to say again like whatever good once a year i can't go to the casino man it's scary man i was we were in um i don't remember we were like in um it's freaky like in uh arkansas and oklahoma missouri states like that if you go to the casino i was at the hotel like even the hotels at casinos are scary you're like go i'm gonna send you something james on the couches man you're like what's going on you go downstairs and like your buddies are like smoking cigarettes and like with those fucking sticks on the lottery machines or what The slot machines.

[569] It's like a, it's like a dungeon, and you're like, oh, no offense to anyone who gambles, but it scares the shit out of me. I'm like, bro.

[570] It should.

[571] Yeah.

[572] It triggers some things in your brain.

[573] There's certain things, though.

[574] This is Dana.

[575] He's on vacation in the Amalfi Coast.

[576] Bro.

[577] And this fucking dude brings a casino.

[578] He had a casino come to him.

[579] Bro, who's that kid next to him?

[580] That's a son.

[581] That's crazy.

[582] So he's, look, he's got stacks of cash.

[583] That's bothered, man. No, it's not.

[584] That's sickness.

[585] Who knows?

[586] He brought a goddamn casino to his boat.

[587] My thing is, man, if you can do it, you should do it, if it makes you happy.

[588] Wow, look at you.

[589] All open -minded.

[590] No way.

[591] I guess.

[592] I guess the last year of my life has made me like that.

[593] Well, that's a good way to be.

[594] No one lets you do what you want to do.

[595] Or me, do what I want to do?

[596] Like, when it comes to, like, socially, like, on the...

[597] What do you want to do?

[598] I just think everything is so micro -analyzed.

[599] Yes.

[600] You know what I'm saying?

[601] But there's just so many voices.

[602] That's what it is.

[603] Like we were talking about earlier.

[604] Like if you go on social media and you read comments about you, you're reading the opinions of literally millions of people.

[605] There is no way they're all going to be positive.

[606] It's like gambling, man. It's either one way of the case.

[607] It's crazy.

[608] The problem with social media, though, is the negatives far outweigh the positives in terms of the way it makes you feel.

[609] Like when you see someone get ganged up on in the social media, I've seen it happen to people where they're like, they say something on a podcast that people disagree with.

[610] some culture issue or medical issue and people get really mad at them and then you go to their timeline you see all these people hating on them.

[611] I just imagine like what that does to your psychology, to your mind when you're reading all like if you read a hundred things that like Zach you're a great guy and then one guy you fucking fraud you piece of shit I know who you really are oh well being from my being from like individually it freaks me out individually like from the inside out and also if you see someone get ganged up fucking socially ruined yeah yeah what freaks me out is like what would have that person done artistically if that wouldn't have happened right what would have that person done for the great for the good of people sometimes you know what I mean like if they wouldn't have been either way depending on what it was I mean either way it's like fucking scary there's a thing that people do what it is is they're terrified of it happening to them so people know it's a thing that people can gang up on people and they're terror it's the same reason why people jump people by like 10 guys will beat up one dude like you're terrified of that ever happening to you and when it's happening to someone else you just jump in and gang up on people so it doesn't happen to you it's like a thing that people are doing or they're so afraid of being ganged up on on social media that they just gang up the like the most neurotic people are also like oddly the most aggressive about attacking people it's weird I saw on here like two years ago sapiens that book yes I read it because of this podcast and in that book somewhere it says that like people are only supposed to be groups of 150 people like villages you know yes yeah and i had this rant in denver colorado like two weeks ago we played red rocks uh and um everyone afterwards went out to the pool like pool bar and we were all just hanging out and we were walking home and i grabbed my phone because i was fucking i mean we drank too much obviously because we had played uh forest hills in new york and then we went to red rocks and we just were celebrating because it was a big big deal to us at least and i was walking home with like eight other guys and i had my phone And I was like, man, screw this.

[612] And I just threw it behind me. Because it's scary, man. There's so many fucking people right in the palm of your hands.

[613] Well, you know what that's from?

[614] That's from how we evolved.

[615] Yeah.

[616] That's what they think, at least.

[617] Some people think.

[618] It's Dunbar's number.

[619] Dunbar's number.

[620] And it's more complicated than like 150 people.

[621] It's like there's tears of people.

[622] There's people like family and very close friends.

[623] And then there's like a tier above that.

[624] Like people, that's the tears.

[625] So like there's five people that you're like super close with.

[626] and then there's 15 people that you're slightly less close to and then it goes all the way out to 1 ,500 people And imagine the vulnerability it takes to be you or me And like in your life A lot of people think they know you at the 150 level But you know, you don't know Me personally, I don't know 150 people On the top of my head What is this one, Jamie?

[627] I just try to find one that has the explanations of it on the screen.

[628] Yeah, how many friends can a person have?

[629] I think about this more often than I should when it comes like looking at my phone and like seeing how many followers I have or the bullshit that comes with being socially active.

[630] You know, it's crazy.

[631] Well, it's something to think about because what I think is happening is human beings evolved in these tribal groups, and now we're evolving a new consciousness that is actually global because it went from being in small tribes to larger communities, agricultural communities, cities, millions of people, countries, and now the whole world.

[632] and that's that's a completely new way of interacting with people that has never existed in the it's so much heavier than people make it out to be yeah i feel like i feel like people are like taking it lightly which obviously a lot of people aren't but i don't think they're aware of it i think it's just something that you're kind of dealing with because it's just there you know you're tweeting and you're looking at the news and you know the news cycles now the news cycle of literally eight billion people i haven't talked to anyone like this in like four years Because I'm so fucking scared, man Not scared of anything in particular I'm just not scared of the world either But you know what I mean I just like it wasn't worth it to me Right Not in a arrogant way Just in a way where it was like Man why I make enough I write enough music Like you know me from that And right right Why risk people getting pissed off at you Yeah about something silly Yeah And I went back to Oklahoma recently I've been in the Northeast For like two years, three years And I went back to Oklahoma man And I had some time off and I just sat in the grass, sat in a field like I used to when I was a kid.

[633] I was like, man, oh, that Duncan Trussell episode with you?

[634] When Duncan Trussell was like, man, there's probably some sad sack sitting by a waterfall with...

[635] Yeah.

[636] He didn't know who's mad at him or who he should be scared at.

[637] You remember that?

[638] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[639] Crazy, and he said that.

[640] I'm like, he's right, man. Duncan's a genius.

[641] He is a genius.

[642] I watch his episodes religiously on here because he's just so beautifully that he articulated.

[643] That's how he is all the time, too.

[644] It's so funny because, like, we did two episodes kind of back to back to We did one where we dressed as doctors.

[645] And what was the other one for us?

[646] I remember the fucking, you guys had the butt.

[647] It's not like a fucking fanboy.

[648] What we did?

[649] Oh, we've got way too hot.

[650] Yeah, we couldn't.

[651] We respect to furries because like they're putting in work.

[652] They're putting in work those ferries.

[653] You guys are talking about it.

[654] I was like, holy shit.

[655] I can't believe this realm of people exist.

[656] How crazy.

[657] Somebody had a good idea the other night.

[658] They're like, you should make every guest dress up.

[659] No matter how like how important they think they are, world leaders.

[660] Make them put on clown costumes.

[661] I don't know, man. You can do the show, but you have to put on a car costume.

[662] I could barely put on a shirt this morning.

[663] I was like, what do you wear?

[664] What do you do here, man?

[665] I'd never done this.

[666] Well, I saw this Johnny Cash shirt sitting in my closet.

[667] I was like, this is perfect.

[668] It works.

[669] I thought you were working out in it.

[670] I was like, okay, shit.

[671] No. Should have did it.

[672] No, I shot bows this morning, got a little workout in.

[673] Came straight here.

[674] Where do you shoot bows around here?

[675] At your place?

[676] Yeah.

[677] Yeah, I have a range.

[678] No, shit.

[679] Yeah, I have a range in here.

[680] I can't imagine.

[681] And you're just waking up and me, like, you know what I'm going to do.

[682] I'm going to head over and shoot some bows, man. It's good for your mind, man. Has to be.

[683] Anything you focus on.

[684] Yeah, I mean, forget about bow hunting, but just archery.

[685] Just archery, like shooting at a target is so good for your mind.

[686] Well, that's why doing anything, writing for comedy probably, writing music, dude, you're just focused.

[687] Right, you're in there, you're locked in.

[688] And I wish I could just be in that state forever all the time.

[689] But you don't, man. You got to love it like you love sex.

[690] You don't want to fuck all day.

[691] every day you'd get bored true i'm there i mean i'm not there now i love making music and stuff but like even touring like playing the same songs right i love doing it because the people are so beautiful and the people who come to the shows are so like moved by it and i'm but like people like look at me and they don't realize that i played the same show x amount of times and i'm so blessed so lucky but sometimes man i'm like halfway through my set and i'm like give it all you got man give it all you got no matter no matter how many times you've sang it you know yeah you just kind of reset like those people are You know, what I call the Joe DiMaggio principle, is that Joe DiMaggio was playing once, and I think he was like 40 years old, and he slid in the third base, and the third baseman said, why do you play so hard?

[692] You're already Joe DiMaggio.

[693] And he goes, because somewhere out there in the audience is someone who hasn't seen Joe DiMaggio play, and I don't want to let him down.

[694] My dad says that to me every time I go on stage.

[695] And I think about it, too.

[696] I think what I do when I go on stage, I look out at the audience, and I pick out one, kid whether whoever it is I pick out one kid who's like in it and I'm like man this one's for you that's how I do it so religious because it's kind of a paradox man because you write the music or you write a skit and you care about it so much and then every time you play it it feels like you're almost giving a little bit of it right to other people yeah and at one point you're singing the song and you forget it's so sad because you love the song so much but you've sang it so many times so when I look at the kid whoever's out there I'm like that's it that's why I'm doing this man let's go let's go because it means so much What does it feel like when they sing along?

[697] Is that wild when they know the lyrics?

[698] This year's been weird because last year was such a crazy year for us growth -wise.

[699] People used to love it.

[700] Now I'm like, I'm getting no arrogance attached.

[701] I'm just getting big enough to where people are like, man, I go to a show, I can't even fucking hear him sing.

[702] Because everyone's singing.

[703] Everyone's singing along.

[704] And it scares me a little bit because I fear that like, what if there's like some like 50 -year -old woman or a 50 -year -old man who's like sitting in this house?

[705] I'd really like to go to a Zach Bryan show to hear him sing these songs.

[706] Then you go to one of the shows, and it's all these fucking, like, reckless kids.

[707] Just doing it, man, shirtless.

[708] And the 50 -year -old sitting back there like, damn it, I just want to hear him sing it, you know.

[709] Yeah, but they should be just taken in that experience.

[710] That's what it is.

[711] You're not going to change it.

[712] No way.

[713] Stop singing.

[714] How do you do you?

[715] That guy sucks.

[716] That guy sucks, man. That guy sucks, man. Whoever that guy is sucks ass, man. I hate that guy.

[717] That guy stormed the capital.

[718] Yeah, of course, man. Of course.

[719] Of course.

[720] And it's so sick, man, because we had Charles Wesley Godwin on the road with us, like the first year and the second year, and it's like such a...

[721] It felt like when I was watching him open for us or whatever.

[722] I'm not even trying to plug him.

[723] But when he would be singing, and you'd be in like these weird fucking like 2 ,000 cap, 3 ,000 cap, like roll the rinks.

[724] And all these American venues, like, ever been to the majestic, you know, in Detroit?

[725] Yeah.

[726] And the venues, like, in San Francisco, the Warfield.

[727] you look around and all this architecture is so beautiful and like you're hearing like your opener saying and you're like this is a chapter and something this has got to be something this is beautiful there's all these 18 to 25 year old kids just like giving there everything to be there for you and you're like man this gotta this is crazy this is what you see like on whatever you read this shit in books or whatever when I was in Greece last week I got to see Guns and Roses in Athens They're always playing not in America Bro, my dad always is like, I saw them in Japan I'm like, why?

[728] I think they played everywhere.

[729] I think they play a lot in America too, but it was just dumb luck that we happened to be there and I ran into Axel Rose at a restaurant and Axel invited me to the show.

[730] I'm like, oh shit, like this is wild.

[731] And we went and watched Guns and Roses.

[732] These dudes are 60 years old.

[733] And just killing it.

[734] Murdering it for three hours.

[735] I don't get it for three hours.

[736] I love that, man. Do go.

[737] I mean do your thing but it was intense and it was like 95 degrees out we were talking about earlier how hard the road is and stuff and I see these older guys doing I'm like man what's going on well Mick Jagger when the Rolling Stones were here they played coda the circuits of the Americas oh yeah my friend owns it and he was explaining to me how they brought two trailers two trailers two trailers work out equipment he yeah two trailers full of shit still moving man I mean every day that guy works out every day has to he has to like we're we're saying it'll kill you if you don't.

[738] He's Biden's age.

[739] That's crazy.

[740] Bro.

[741] That's insane.

[742] He's Biden's age.

[743] I want to talk.

[744] Look at him out there.

[745] And doing what I do at 27, I look at this and I'm like, he looks great.

[746] Yeah, and dude, he's moving around.

[747] You know, like, he's not stationary.

[748] He's not like just standing there singing the songs.

[749] He's dancing.

[750] As a young person, man. Look at him go.

[751] As a young person, that's not easy.

[752] No, man. As a young person, that's not easy.

[753] These guys, because they're devoted, man. They're so into, they're...

[754] And the show was epic, right?

[755] So it's at this outdoor racetrack, and they have these giant fucking screens, this huge stage.

[756] And you're seeing Keith Richards and Mick Jagger right there.

[757] Come on, man. Right there.

[758] Dude, I'm telling you, it was like being on drugs.

[759] Dude.

[760] It was like a psychedelic experience.

[761] I couldn't believe they were really there.

[762] Those guys are so iconic.

[763] Sometimes, I wonder if they ever think about it.

[764] Like, do they ask themselves the same questions that I ask myself, or not that sounded shitty but like since I'm smaller obviously like watching those guys I wonder if they came up and accidentally became legends or like they were so young when they hit the scene you have to stop and think about the 1960s was their dream to become massive musicians no I don't think anybody could have imagined that could have been the Rolling Stones there's no way anyone can imagine being the Rolling Stones exactly you think Taylor Swift imagine she'd be Taylor Swift nobody maybe maybe maybe Maybe.

[765] Maybe.

[766] Maybe.

[767] Maybe.

[768] Maybe her.

[769] Yeah.

[770] But for most bands, the idea is just to try to be successful.

[771] There's so many talented people, too.

[772] Yeah.

[773] That's what freaks me out being me. I know, like, three chords on the guitar, and I'm like, ooh, what's up?

[774] And there's so many people that, like, I get in these circles of these astounding musicians who aren't nearly as big.

[775] And I almost have, like, that I have a real guilt of that, you know?

[776] I'm like, what the fuck am I?

[777] Right, right.

[778] Why the fuck am I on stage, man?

[779] You're incredible.

[780] You're on stage for your songwriting and your voice.

[781] And your songs, man, and your music too, but it's like the combination of the things.

[782] And it's, you know, to toot your horn, man, it's uniquely authentic.

[783] It's just very, you have very authentic music.

[784] You can kind of tell when someone's bullshitting.

[785] For whatever reason, it feels like you could take, like, a certain amount of it.

[786] Like, there's a certain amount of sugar that you can take in food before it starts getting gross.

[787] You know, where you're like, oh, this is so sweet.

[788] That's why the writing's so important.

[789] Like, it's, man, I can't do it.

[790] writing is excellent i can't listen to um corny writing personally i can't well it's like corny comedy and you've got to like love it to love it but yeah like people in the car with me like what the fuck are we listening to and i'm right oh it's an indie song i found and i'm like the pretentious asshole you know oh you're that guy no i'm not no way like i usually put on like the fucking barnyard shuffle 50 of the top hits when people are with me but when i'm alone you know what i found man i don't know if you've ever heard this song but um my friend brian simpson turned me on to this song and this song should have been a fucking gigantic hit I hear those all the time should have been a I mean I hear this song I'm gonna sing it to I'm gonna I'm gonna send it to you Jamie it's called um it's called I'm alive hold a second let me find it for you by Johnny Thunder I'm alive by Johnny Thunder here I'll share it with you Jamie man I always want to be the guys you got it heard it you got it Jamie listen to this man so this This is a song from 1969, I believe.

[791] And it was re -released sometimes in the 2000s.

[792] They probably thought the same thing as you.

[793] But this is, listen to this.

[794] Oh, man. Come on.

[795] How the fuck did this not make it?

[796] Would you hear this?

[797] My friend Brian, just sending to me, he's like, you got to listen to this.

[798] Dude, you want to be on the highway right now.

[799] Fuck yeah.

[800] I want to be dancing right now.

[801] That's 69 Camaro.

[802] Let's go.

[803] Oh, shit.

[804] How good is this?

[805] That's crazy.

[806] So good.

[807] You hear shit like this all the time.

[808] That's why I feel so bad on stage, man. Yeah, this is a guy from 1969.

[809] Sick cover, too, man. They had it right.

[810] They had all the art right.

[811] Yeah, I mean, that, dude, it's good.

[812] Like in the 60s and 70s.

[813] Everything you see is just right.

[814] This one is particularly good.

[815] It's bigger.

[816] It's so good.

[817] And I'm like, a guy that can do this, this is like a world famous, gigantic music for ours, forever.

[818] Someone who could do this.

[819] This guy's a star.

[820] Well, it only takes once, too.

[821] If you put this on, like, whatever people are using now, we've got to go run around, man. This is on our pre -show playlist at the mothership.

[822] I'm going to start walking out to that.

[823] When we're hanging out in the green room, we listen to that.

[824] Well, that's what, there's a huge resurgence in music right now because of TikTok and shit like that.

[825] Yeah.

[826] Because people are like...

[827] Finding old stuff.

[828] Finding old stuff, which is a beautiful thing, also a scary thing, but I don't even know.

[829] Like, I don't know anything.

[830] but um it's cool because of one person that was big or whatever used that it might be might have a brand new life which kind of stinks for the johnny thunder was his name johnny's dead which is isn't that crazy like the vango thing where like he knew he was going to be a famous artist and he like i don't know if this is vangou or i don't know if it's another one but there was an artist back in that era of like people who my producer eddie he used to tell me this he said that uh one of those guys He painted his entire life, he would paint in, like, coffee shops and stuff, and he would tell his buddies or whoever he would say, I know one day these are going to be, these are going to be worth something.

[831] And then he, like, lived his life, died.

[832] And then 200, 300 years later, or 100 years later, whatever, he got famous for it.

[833] And so it's like that's like the whole plant a tree and watch it.

[834] Like, if you plant a tree, you'll never see grow.

[835] Plant a tree, you never see it big.

[836] Whatever that shit is.

[837] I know what you're saying.

[838] You know what I'm saying?

[839] Yeah.

[840] Yeah.

[841] And this Johnny Thunder, somehow or another, it slipped by.

[842] How old was he when he died?

[843] I'm trying to look stuff up about him right now.

[844] His real name was Gil Hamilton.

[845] Tom Jones covered it.

[846] Wow.

[847] I found a Ghostface Killis song that sampled it.

[848] Oh, nice.

[849] But yeah, I was trying to...

[850] What year did this guy?

[851] I think it said...

[852] Well, the cover was 69.

[853] His version, I'm alive, Thunder.

[854] 68?

[855] So Johnny Thunder's version was first, right?

[856] And then the 69.

[857] version I've also heard Tommy James and the Chondell's It's not as good He had to have wrote it Right obviously I don't think Tommy James and the Chondelles wrote it There's a Don Fardon Farden But if he wouldn't have sang it like that Man Oh he's saying it's okay Yeah exactly That's a weird conflict In my head too Right that's a thing The covering thing is weird I don't cover on stage Because I'm young I don't know I don't act like I'm better than a cover I just I don't know Like it's what I stand by Well it's like Do whatever whatever you want to do man whatever resonates with you so but sometimes people just have a feel for a song and they want to redo it when i knew everything when i when i knew everything at like 20 or whatever uh i used to hear covers and be like way man you're ruining the feeling of the song that writer wrote it and it means the world don't mess it up some covers are fucking amazing i agree like stevie a vaughan's cover of voodoo child come on some of the best songs of like ever were covers yeah there's some amazing shower oh oh my Goodness, yeah.

[858] Oh, right, that's Hendricks, right?

[859] He covered Dylan.

[860] And then, Dave Matthews.

[861] Dave Matthews, yeah, you've seen a live one where they're all on stage and just, it's nuts.

[862] And something recently in my life, I've like started delving into, this is crazy to me that people don't even, and this isn't an issue.

[863] I have no problem with this, but people don't even give a shit about who wrote whatever if it sounds great, which is cool in a sense.

[864] But in my life, even as like a writer or whatever, I just now started going to the song credits and like looking.

[865] and it surprises me every single time because there's people who you don't think would write something that did write it or someone who sounded so great covering a song that you think they wrote it and then you go to it and there's like eight people writing it and you're like, what?

[866] This is crazy, you know?

[867] I just found out that May West was a writer and May West got arrested for writing I think it was a play.

[868] May West?

[869] Yeah, it was about sex.

[870] There was something about sex that she got arrested for.

[871] Yeah, May West spent, eight days in jail.

[872] She looks like she looks like a badass.

[873] Oh, she was a badass.

[874] What did she do?

[875] We actually have her couch.

[876] Yeah, so the, yeah, Mitsy owned her couch and Mitsy's son gave it to me and so that's in our green room at the mother ship.

[877] We have May West couch.

[878] I was trying to get it.

[879] We had re -apolstered it.

[880] That's fucking crazy.

[881] Where was it at?

[882] It was in New York.

[883] It was in Mitzis.

[884] At Mitzis place.

[885] Where's Mitzis?

[886] Oh, I'm sorry.

[887] Mitsy Shore was the own.

[888] That's that lady.

[889] She was the owner of the comedy store.

[890] Oh, wow.

[891] Wow, okay.

[892] Members of the cast of sex were whole...

[893] So the show was called sex.

[894] Who'd have such a ho!

[895] Who'd have thought, man?

[896] What a powerful lady.

[897] February 9, 1927, May West, the original Cardi B, went backstage of a performance of her play, Sex, and found herself surrounded by officers from the New York City Police Department's municipal vice squad, municipal vice squad, which rounded up the cast and put them into black police vans.

[898] Whoa.

[899] Wes was a smart -talking, wise -cracking, blonde bombshell of the 1930s cinema, famous for some of the sharpest and most suggestive one -liners in the history of the movies.

[900] As both a playwright and a screenwriter, she wrote many of those lines herself.

[901] She was like one of them original boss pitches.

[902] That's insane.

[903] All these, like, boss ladies now, like Cardi B's a big one, like who else?

[904] I guess you could say Lizzo's like a boss lady.

[905] Like, who's a boss lady?

[906] Beyonce.

[907] Beyonce's a boss lady.

[908] Oh, yeah, the Queen of the Mall.

[909] There's a lot of boss ladies now.

[910] It's crazy to think about.

[911] They could say whatever the fuck they want.

[912] They're amazing, too.

[913] But back then, like, when in May West time, like someone who was like a bad -ass lady.

[914] It was unique and they didn't care.

[915] Who wrote a play called sex?

[916] Yeah.

[917] Like, in the 20s?

[918] That's nuts.

[919] That's probably she didn't get arrested for that.

[920] I think she did.

[921] I mean, I think that's why she spent eight days in jail.

[922] Oh, my goodness.

[923] That was what they arrested her for?

[924] Yeah.

[925] What was the official charge?

[926] So much time.

[927] The charge was kind of interesting.

[928] So much time hasn't passed since this shit's happened.

[929] Like, my grandpa was born in like the 20.

[930] Listen to what the charge was.

[931] Giving a performance not tending to advance the morals of the spectators.

[932] Whoa, man. That's why.

[933] Wow.

[934] That's wild.

[935] She got arrested for giving a performance not tending to advance the morals of the spectators.

[936] That's amazing.

[937] Because it was all backed by, like, back in the day.

[938] It was all, everyone just was.

[939] So everyone was a really religious, man, morally.

[940] It was also, you could starve to death super easy back then.

[941] Wait, why do you say that?

[942] The 20s?

[943] I mean, obviously, yep.

[944] Wait, in the 20s?

[945] Yeah, dude, that was the Great Depression.

[946] I'm a dumb ass, yeah.

[947] To come out of the Depression, people...

[948] 1927 was the Great Depression?

[949] What year was the Great Depression?

[950] I thought that was like...

[951] 19 or something?

[952] Yeah, it stuck depends on the year, but yeah, right around there.

[953] So people are still recovering from the Depression.

[954] My grandmother kind of never recovered from it.

[955] My grandmother used to, when she died, when they were cleaning out her house they found coffee cans filled with money that was stuffed away in the walls that's what yeah they were always worried that thing 1929 so it was exactly the roaring 20s and stuff from the 20s exactly which is so this is exactly that time period that she made that that that play which is wild right yeah you would think people would want to go wash it get their mind off being so depressed man I don't think they had any money and also I think like it was like a hopeless helpless kind of depression where everything crashed all at once, like the banks collapsed.

[956] Well, everyone was like, you know, what caused the Great Depression?

[957] It was a stock market crash, right?

[958] These motherfuckers been monkeying around with numbers for a hundred years.

[959] I know, right?

[960] They've been fucking everything up for that long.

[961] Making insane amounts of money.

[962] For that long, man. Insane amounts of money.

[963] Like, that game, that financial banker game, like, whoof, those guys.

[964] Being from Oklahoma, you hear a lot about, like, the Dust Bowl and shit, too, when the Great Depression came by.

[965] And I'm like, how much shit did people have to go through?

[966] man right because it was like I don't know like I'm not a historian I'm sorry but I not I know you you hear shit about like the Great Depression and the dustball hitting Oklahoma at once and I'm like bro imagine complaining about how your coffee tastes you know like in the morning for us it's like these people would wake up and like have to fucking be be just in the Great Depression and like lift their plate up and yeah it's just nuts to think about bro I mean there's a great book rather a biography of this guy, I think his name was Danny McGurdy.

[967] I think it's called McGurdy Life of a Pool Hustler.

[968] And this guy was a pool hustler during the Depression.

[969] And he talks about being so hungry, just knocking on people's doors and begging for food.

[970] Just going from town to town and being broke, trying to hustle people out of money.

[971] He wrote a book.

[972] He obviously succeeded at one point, right?

[973] No, they wrote a biography of him.

[974] I think a guy named Robert Byrne wrote the book.

[975] Do you find it i have it at home i was telling you but it's like you're just you're absorbing like the this that those times were so desperate hopeless hopeless and desperate which is a scary place to be man it's surprising the more people this is really dark to say but it's surprising the more people just didn't go off the deep in and like just cared you know that's i'd have this i think i talked to you about it last time i'm fucking annoying man i tell my friends about this all the time like on the bus uh i i lived in new york for a little bit and I lived like by the Empire State Building just because I wanted I thought I was some fucking I don't know I just wanted to get out of Oklahoma for a little bit and go somewhere that I'd never been before so I moved to New York City and I lived by the Empire State Building and every morning I would look up and see the Empire State Building and one time my dad came in and visited me and we went up and I was like I'm a dork when it comes to like touristy stuff I love it we had I love New York shirts on our hats and you're up they have you ever been in the Empire State Building yes They have that simulation where it's like, you go in that floor and you see all these, like, hardened men, like, building and riveting the fucking beams.

[976] And, man, people were coming from, like, Iowa and California, like, wherever the hell.

[977] Look at this guy adjusting that bolt.

[978] Dude.

[979] It's probably making a dollar a day.

[980] People don't have this anymore, I don't think.

[981] They don't have the thing where you're, like, you're, like, struggling away and your family is whatever.

[982] What's the kind of person that could do them.

[983] This is, like, an athlete.

[984] Like, you have to be, we talked about, there was a guy recently we talked about on the podcast that to this day fix his shit like that.

[985] I don't know what country he was in.

[986] I don't know if it was America or somewhere else.

[987] But this dude was climbing these fucking beams.

[988] These metal beams like an athlete.

[989] I was watching him do it.

[990] I'm like, I can't do that.

[991] So not only is he skilled, but he's carrying tools and he could physically do things that I can't do.

[992] I'm watching him climb.

[993] Watch this guy.

[994] This is a different guy, but he's another guy that's doing the same kind of thing.

[995] He's got a harness on.

[996] The other guy didn't have a harness.

[997] There's no way, like, regulations would let somebody do that in America is probably somewhere else.

[998] Maybe.

[999] That is fucking wild.

[1000] You ever seen, like, linemen?

[1001] Oh, now he doesn't have a helmet.

[1002] People who work on lines and stuff, like the power lines and stuff.

[1003] My uncles did that growing up.

[1004] They have to go all the way up there?

[1005] That's why I wear it.

[1006] Because my grandfather wore him and he would put his spikes on.

[1007] Oh.

[1008] And my cousins and shit just climb poles, like, in 20 seconds.

[1009] They go up there, and they're just, like, touching shit that can kill him all day.

[1010] And you're like, Oh, my God.

[1011] It's crazy.

[1012] And they do that, man. It's nuts.

[1013] You ever, I was watching this, I don't know, it was a balloon or something that flew into these power lines.

[1014] And holy shit.

[1015] What, they explode or something?

[1016] Just this gig.

[1017] I think it was mylar balloons or something like that.

[1018] They flew into these power lines.

[1019] Is that what it is?

[1020] Oh.

[1021] These are other balloons that are caught.

[1022] So this guy has to, imagine just thinking you have to touch that thing, even knowing that it's not going to get you, understanding how electricity works.

[1023] Just imagine wanting to be in contact with that amount of electricity.

[1024] Dude, you ever seen that guy who does it like in Montana?

[1025] I don't know where it was, but he like flies around on a helicopter and he like gets in a basket and has his stick and he like puts it out there.

[1026] For lightning?

[1027] Yeah.

[1028] Oh, no, not for lightning, but he's like fixing the...

[1029] Oh.

[1030] People don't think about where the power comes, like all the power and this dude just...

[1031] Does it out of a helicopter?

[1032] Yeah.

[1033] He's like hanging off a helicopter just like messing with wires.

[1034] Yeah.

[1035] Oh, my God.

[1036] This guy.

[1037] This is the exact thing, man. I look this shit up because my uncles do it.

[1038] And I'm like, no. Oh my fucking way, man. So what is he doing?

[1039] Well, someone's got to fix him when they go down and stuff like that.

[1040] This is so wild, dude.

[1041] It's crazy.

[1042] So this guy has to climb on these things?

[1043] Yeah.

[1044] It's a big economic thing in Oklahoma.

[1045] What is he doing?

[1046] He's going to climb in that?

[1047] What the fuck, bro?

[1048] And that thing will just kill you, man. Dude, this is freaking out.

[1049] You know those Kevlar?

[1050] I don't know if this is right, man. I'm not a lineman.

[1051] Look at that guy's going the other direction.

[1052] You know those Kevlar suits that, like, shark people wear?

[1053] They wear the same thing, the metal thing, I think I don't know if it's the same shit, but So you don't get shocked Is that really gonna stop you from getting shocked?

[1054] Well, it just prevents, it conducts a lot So it goes around your body opposed to in it That's what that thing's doing?

[1055] I think That thin little cloth that you have?

[1056] Yeah, crazy, man People do shit like that?

[1057] That's why those Empire State Building guys are so crazy One of those guys just died Some guy who's one of those Climbing skyscraper Daredevil In that photo?

[1058] Were they eating lunch?

[1059] No, it was, I don't know Someone, Kelly Slater just sent it to me. Want me to send it to you?

[1060] That's why I don't get it.

[1061] I respect it a lot.

[1062] 30 years old.

[1063] He fell off a building.

[1064] Oh, that's so sad.

[1065] He plunged 68 floors.

[1066] He was last seen knocking on window outside.

[1067] I wonder why he was knocking.

[1068] Because he wanted to get in.

[1069] He couldn't figure out how to get in.

[1070] He fucked up.

[1071] That's scary.

[1072] He closed the window.

[1073] He climbed out.

[1074] Somebody closed the fucking window.

[1075] Oh, man. I wouldn't be in disrespectful.

[1076] I was wondering why he didn't just like.

[1077] I think.

[1078] I'm just guessing.

[1079] If he climbs up, I don't want to be...

[1080] I don't know what happened.

[1081] I don't know what happened.

[1082] I don't know if he just climbed out on the ledge.

[1083] That's all my worst fear, bro.

[1084] You ever run on the...

[1085] Bro.

[1086] My hands are so sweaty right now, just looking at that.

[1087] The Golden Gate Bridge?

[1088] Don't do this to me, Jamie.

[1089] I can't do it here.

[1090] I'm not a hot guy either.

[1091] Not now.

[1092] Not after that guy just fell.

[1093] Have some respect.

[1094] That's him?

[1095] Don't show me this, dude.

[1096] Don't show me this, dude.

[1097] That's crazy.

[1098] Don't show me this.

[1099] That's crazy.

[1100] I don't get rock climbers at all.

[1101] Bro, I've had Alex Honnold in a couple of times.

[1102] I've watched all of his stuff, and that Jimmy Chin, I follow him on Instagram.

[1103] He's like, oh, he's not to take it away from Alex Honnold, but, dude, Jimmy Chin, I, like, followed him on Instagram, and all I see on his Instagram page is him just, like, getting into Antarctica water and fucking skiing down mountains.

[1104] I'm like, bro, what is your, like, how are you, you just do this, man, it's crazy.

[1105] He's just doing nothing but wild shit.

[1106] Nothing but wild shit, and I think that's beautiful, and he has such amazing footage, and it's so cool to me that people can just devote their lives to showing that kind of thing.

[1107] Did you ever see the alpinist?

[1108] Yeah Yeah Sad Sad but also I mean Wild It's sad that his But It blew my mind Just the The experience he had In the small amount of time That he was alive Were so over the top To a normal person's life How old is Alex Alex?

[1109] Alex Honnold If I had a guess What would you say Jamie?

[1110] 32 37 And he was like The Alpinus I'm not comparing The two at all How old was the kid?

[1111] This kid was pretty young.

[1112] He was like 18 or something crazy.

[1113] Well, he was getting so bored with free solo climbing that he was ice pick climbing on glaciers.

[1114] So there was overhangs, like these massive ice and overhangs.

[1115] The videos you see him where he was just...

[1116] And he's climbing up these fucking things.

[1117] You're either...

[1118] Dude, that is the craziest way to climb.

[1119] That's so insane.

[1120] Imagine the strength too, man. He was doing.

[1121] He was doing this shit.

[1122] shit.

[1123] Wait, is this the Alpinus commercial?

[1124] Yeah.

[1125] This is the I mean he was climbing things that nobody was climbing.

[1126] And what stinks the most is yeah, look and he had like that, the girlfriend who like loved them so much and she was so sweet about it.

[1127] She was like, it's what his passion is.

[1128] Dude, there's certain people that are just wired way different.

[1129] He did all that crazy shit and he did such an amazing climb and things and he was just with his buddy in Alaska doing a, I don't know if this is true, but like a simpler climb and that's when he passed away and I'm like Like, man, that's got to be.

[1130] I don't know if it was simpler, because they died in like an avalanche.

[1131] That's so, that's heartbread.

[1132] I think he was climbing some insane peak when he died.

[1133] I want to say he was in Argentina.

[1134] Where was it when he died?

[1135] I forget where it was, but it was crazy.

[1136] Like, they couldn't retrieve his body.

[1137] I remember watching the Alpinist and watching the whole film.

[1138] And like, it just hit you with it.

[1139] Yeah.

[1140] And at the end, you're like, wait, what?

[1141] What?

[1142] Yeah.

[1143] Wait, what happened?

[1144] What are you doing?

[1145] It was crazy.

[1146] Oh, this is sad.

[1147] It was Alaska.

[1148] Okay.

[1149] So after summoning a new route in Alaska's Mendenhall Towers with partner Ryan Johnson, the pair sent messages to friends and family from the summit but disappeared while descending after being hit by a storm.

[1150] Search and rescue teams discovered the ropes several days later in a crevas.

[1151] How do you say that?

[1152] Kravos.

[1153] Near the base of the route leading to speculation that the duo was struck by a falling rock, I don't know what a cornice is, or an avalan.

[1154] while descending what you don't a cornice what is that I'm just kidding I got no idea the corn knees though the bodies were never recovered so they only found like ropes were a cornice that is so heartbreaking and they were trying to call the family and friends massive hardened snow at the edge of a mountain precipice oh interesting imagine just saying that and casual learn something new every day you know people expecting people to know what you mean like how pretentious that guy's an asshole man that guy's a party that guy's talking down to you man Yeah, I agree.

[1155] For sure.

[1156] The worst kind of person.

[1157] A cornice.

[1158] Oh yeah, everybody knows that, bro.

[1159] Hey, man. Everybody knows what that is.

[1160] This is what I know.

[1161] Yeah, it's common snow terms for a thousand.

[1162] I rock climbed like two times in my life and I was like, I was sitting too.

[1163] I can't do that.

[1164] I can't.

[1165] Are you scared of heights?

[1166] Yes.

[1167] That's interesting.

[1168] Yes.

[1169] I'm fearful of dangerous things.

[1170] Whoa.

[1171] Hites are dangerous.

[1172] That's how you had to take the picture.

[1173] Oh my God.

[1174] But like I was saying, man, these guys...

[1175] And look at that camera.

[1176] That camera's like a typewriter.

[1177] This size of that goddamn thing.

[1178] Bro, I fear that we'll never get that ethic back, man. Slippery ass leather shoes.

[1179] Who does shit like that anymore?

[1180] Who's that determined?

[1181] Human beings are...

[1182] They built the Empire State Building in two years.

[1183] Sorry for interrupting.

[1184] Sorry for interrupting.

[1185] No, did they really?

[1186] Two years, man. Yeah.

[1187] Dude, that's what I'm talking about about the Empire State Building.

[1188] That was such a beautiful fucking dream and ethic.

[1189] And people from like Iowa and shit were like going to New York to build it because it was such a beacon of hope.

[1190] Hard times, create hard men.

[1191] Hard men create easy time.

[1192] And it's so easy to think now being in my position or whatever, like, oh man, I wish I had a Empire State building to build.

[1193] But sometimes I got a song on the new album called Tradesman.

[1194] Sometimes I wish, man, that I was like just doing something that gave purpose.

[1195] You know, and obviously music does, and it's amazing that I get to do what I get to do.

[1196] But, yeah, one year and 45 days, less than two years, bro.

[1197] One year in a month.

[1198] I saw that.

[1199] That's insane.

[1200] Bro, and this is in the 30s, man. Imagine how determined men had to be, bro, or women, like, two, but fucking A. Well, it was all men doing that construction.

[1201] Of course, but the people at home and things like that who were taking care of those guys.

[1202] Oh, yeah.

[1203] And obviously, I say that with respect.

[1204] But I'm saying just the human beings that were involved in the actual maneuvering and construction of that thing.

[1205] Like, those are, that's extraordinary human beings.

[1206] Hard, hard men, man, who like wouldn't.

[1207] stop for anything and they knew what they were doing died how many people died during the construction of the empire state building they knew what they were doing was important what do you think how many died there's 3 ,400 working on it that said okay fair enough sorry I thought you're going to give me the answer I don't know I'll give you something to build it off 34 700 17 deaths 17 yeah I say 17 84 whoa I'm gonna say 84 okay that's pretty high five see that's even more Incredible.

[1208] I've worked died in a slip and fall or struck by accidents over the 13 months of construction.

[1209] Slip and fall.

[1210] In the 30s, you would think they all fell off of there.

[1211] So in one year, four dudes fell from the sky and just splattered on the concrete.

[1212] Bro.

[1213] And I wonder, I wonder.

[1214] And everybody else has to go to work the next day.

[1215] And they can't, I feel like back in the day, people were like, hey, shut up.

[1216] Don't talk about it.

[1217] Don't talk about it.

[1218] Because if they talked about it, I bet if they talked about it, like people would be too scared to do it.

[1219] I think they just accepted the inevitability.

[1220] They were devoted.

[1221] Is what I'm trying to, like, being in the Navy and things like that, man, like when you, not to be that fucking guy, but, like, you see, you, you, you have, like, kids working for you, 18 and 19 year old kids, and you see, like, the, um, just how people work nowadays is a little bit different different different.

[1222] Same, same goes to me. I'm not any better.

[1223] I'm just saying those people who are building the Empire State Building were so devoted to the one task at hand.

[1224] And they fucking did it in a year and 45 days.

[1225] Those are different humans.

[1226] They are, truly.

[1227] One of the first incidents occurred while the building was still under construction.

[1228] worker who was fired from the job took his own life by jumping down an open elevator shaft oh god when was it built oh my god same same time period oh my god as the as the great deprecate like 29 to it opened in 1931 so there we yeah what a beacon man for these fucking for america because that was the tallest building in new york i think oh my god to build that and be like oh yeah americans did that we did that man holy shh what someone jumped from the 86 floor and didn't die Oh, God.

[1229] A strong gust of wind blew her body back towards the building, and she only felt like one floor.

[1230] Yo, I'm good, man. I'm not going anymore.

[1231] I'm not going anymore, man. No, that doesn't make any sense.

[1232] Have you ever been the sheer amount?

[1233] The lucky one.

[1234] But the gust of wind had to be coming up under her.

[1235] Was she lucky?

[1236] I wonder what she was like after.

[1237] It gets windy up high, I'll tell you that.

[1238] Right, right, right.

[1239] But is it possible that, like, a hundred plus pound person could be slow?

[1240] down by the wind to the point where they don't die?

[1241] It doesn't sound right.

[1242] Maybe.

[1243] It seems off.

[1244] Never know, man. You ever done it?

[1245] I have not.

[1246] Who knows?

[1247] That's great.

[1248] Crazy or shit's happened?

[1249] People have fallen out of planes and survived.

[1250] Like skyjumper?

[1251] I mean, uh...

[1252] Well, I just might have been a big ledge and she didn't, you know, she didn't jump out far enough.

[1253] You ever skydow?

[1254] It said she landed on a three foot ledge about 20 feet below.

[1255] Oh, okay.

[1256] So she fell 20 feet?

[1257] Yeah.

[1258] But it says she was on the 85th floor.

[1259] Jump from 86 and land on 85 All right No, I'm not discrediting the lucky one I mean that's what this says Also I'm trying to find the year this is behind him Oh so she was found laying on the ledge See 854 ledge That is the lucky one I bet she was fine Good Lord One time I fell 35 feet man That's far man I broke both my wrists Both my collar bones It's crazy Oh shit And I'm a buddy Graham My guitarist now I was like I was like a 15 He had to carry me up a mountain Oh my god Not a mountain 35 feet ledge on a river It was nuts It was crazy It was a rope swing You ever do a rope swing Yeah Like you can do a river Mm -hmm Man I thought it was so tough They were like We were young There was girls there I'm like man I'm gonna go The tallest rung I'm gonna do this A bunch of boys being boys And like I climbed to the very top And tied it off And I went off Forgot to untie it Yeah And just immediately stopped And rolled Down like rocks and shit And I landed Man this is why This is crazy But this is why One of the reasons Why I like believe in God because I went and rolled and tumbled and my my head landed exactly where we'd been putting our feet all day long so it was indented so I bought like both my collar bones broke because I landed in that hole and it hit like that and it's crazy and I got up and I didn't even feel it I was in so much shock and I went to climb up and my wrist popped out it was great it was nuts man I never forget it but so you both both arms my sophomore year in high school man I had like two casks I was in a wheelchair yeah it was crazy how long did you have to keep them on for uh one of my arms was in a cast for like three months and the other one was like i think probably like two two weeks three weeks holy shit i'll never forget it man it was crazy yeah isn't it wild how when you get injured you should so appreciate not being injured you don't realize when you're running when i'm running a lot sometimes like this weird fucking feeling of like oh man you got legs right this is cool this is cool and i'm not i'm not i'm not i'm not i Obviously, I mean that with sensitivity to anyone who can't run or anything, but sometimes I'm running.

[1260] I'm like, wow, this is so beautiful that we can use our fucking legs and things like that to move.

[1261] Yeah, if you're an able -bodied person, you're super lucky.

[1262] You're solely like 0 .005 % of whatever.

[1263] People realize it once they get injured.

[1264] Once they get injured, that's when they start going, oh, my God, I'm vulnerable.

[1265] Like, I could be in pain all the time from this thing now.

[1266] Yeah, like any time I've ever been sick.

[1267] I felt like that too.

[1268] I'm like, man, I can't believe we're just in a constant state of like, I guess at a younger age being okay and what we were talking about earlier, like working out as much as you can because old age is scary and I'm 27 but when I think about being older and I think about like arthritis and like all the shit that happens like our parents when they get sick and stuff it's like her grandparents my man you got to take advantage of it now yeah there's no matter who you are when you're 98 you're fucked yeah doesn't that's scary?

[1269] Yeah.

[1270] Like what's the most fit 98 year old person?

[1271] I saw this.

[1272] Find the most fit 98 year old person.

[1273] I saw this video the other day of like a 102 year old climbing Yosemite and he climbed it with his granddaughter and I was like whoa.

[1274] That's crazy.

[1275] I just think I was going to be a goner by like 40.

[1276] Not in a dark way, but maybe they just want, if they want to die, why not die doing something they love?

[1277] I agree.

[1278] It's how a lot of people feel about a lot of stuff and I don't know how I don't know.

[1279] Did you ever see the documentary dirt bag it's about this famous climber who was just like this legendary climber I forget his name but he basically just like slept in sleeping bags and slept on people's couches didn't give a fuck about anything but climbing and mapping out his climbing roots and like these detailed maps of the roots and it's a Fred Becky and no one can say he was wrong which is crazy play some of this because in the beginning it's really interesting to hear him talk in the beginning like you hear him talk in my head I thought he was young that's crazy what's that Jamie I got there's a big music and shit still going on a lot oh okay I can listen that song again man it was great yo so this dude was like old as fuck created his own culture he became a culture of one it's a grandfather sick video wow his name is everywhere he was there before the rest of us were that's sick more about the mountains of North America than anyone has ever lived.

[1280] This is one track mine most of the time.

[1281] If it wasn't on women, it was on climbing.

[1282] Fred was lively and addictive.

[1283] There's some sort of magnetism there.

[1284] Right now, I don't know what I'm doing except tomorrow.

[1285] I have no idea.

[1286] We go home.

[1287] We were together all the time.

[1288] Our relationship deteriorated because he continued to climb and I did not climb anymore.

[1289] Fred was only focused on climbing and he never felt sorry for you if you're climbing ended up in a divorce Whoa Totally obsessive That's who Fred is He's just sleeping on the ground Yeah Everywhere Some people may think it's an adventure They're going to a cruise ship to the Mediterranean To me it's no adventure at all Somebody bombs the ship Contemporaries They founded companies They were like movie stars for a while Imagine how many people are like this.

[1290] Why did the best climber of all never go on to the greatness that they all did?

[1291] He's a dirtbag, and because of that, I don't think he'll get the recognition that he really deserves.

[1292] It's a really good documentary.

[1293] I can't recommend it enough.

[1294] It's fascinating.

[1295] A few years ago I saw it.

[1296] I don't know what year came out.

[1297] It was a while.

[1298] Six years ago?

[1299] It's really good.

[1300] He sleeps on the ground, man. What's weird to think about is...

[1301] He just never stopped wanting to do that one thing.

[1302] and for some reason that like haunts people is that a bad thing or a good thing you think but here's what's weird if you saw him sleeping on the ground like that and he was 20 years old you go oh you know he's a kid yeah still living his life why is it when you see him when he's 70 years all like that is it's so sad because we have a thing everyone has to abide by in our lives you know right which i think is i don't know i think it's good for us it's good to have that thing yeah i think it's good to like evolve past not if you're that guy I guess that's what I was asking like who knows what's right I think we have to realize that everyone is not wired the same no matter what we think and everyone thinks everyone should be yeah everyone thinks that everyone should be wired exactly the way they are and then when they aren't they're they're pissed yeah it's just not the case they want to control yeah it doesn't work that way want to control yeah it's how I feel with um everything sometimes that's why I get so frustrated with people because everything I do someone has an opinion or whatever and I'm like this seems like you just want me to be who I'm not when it comes to these sorts of things.

[1303] That's just, you're probably, if I had a guess, you're probably taking in too many opinions.

[1304] Of course, man. You should probably have as little opinions coming in as possible.

[1305] I think you know what you're doing.

[1306] Deal.

[1307] Isn't it crazy, man?

[1308] It's nuts.

[1309] Stay away from other people's ideas.

[1310] But also, like, I feel like people didn't grow up in this.

[1311] I feel like people, this is a whole new world now.

[1312] Yeah.

[1313] Like when I was talking to, when I was talking to trash, I respect him after talking to him and things like that.

[1314] And we were talking and he was telling me about all these things.

[1315] And I was like, and indifferently, I was like, man, I feel like we live in two different realms of music and things like that.

[1316] Because I feel like the world's so different now from when the whole Nashville scene was back then.

[1317] And it's just funny to get to talk to other people and hear about their experiences and how they, I don't know.

[1318] What's the big difference?

[1319] I feel like radio was a huge thing.

[1320] It might still be, but I feel like radio was a really, really big deal back in the day.

[1321] And it's still a big deal, but it's becoming smaller and smaller and smaller.

[1322] Yeah, nobody really, I mean, I'm sure some people do.

[1323] But the amount of people that listen to radio now has to be...

[1324] I've been surprised by it lately because I've been going to the lake and stuff.

[1325] Oh, yeah?

[1326] I've been going to, like, birthday parties and things, and I've heard a lot of radio.

[1327] And I'm like, oh, wait, people, I guess people still listen to the radio.

[1328] Can you make radio sound good?

[1329] Like, it was always like a lower quality signal.

[1330] right Jamie?

[1331] They have what they call HD radio now but it's still using the same technology you know it's still spreading out radio waves but is it as good sounding as like like S -streaming XM sounds better right yes and then streaming's the best sound yeah it's all compression it's gonna be the best do people really care though most don't yeah a lot of people don't even realize they just want to hear it loud turn it up that's crazy about like writing music and stuff like that because the first records and stuff they were so bad we recorded on like one at like this this kind of microphone and we didn't know what we were doing so everything just kind of sounded shitty but it was like a like renewed my like faith in humanity because no one gave a shit they were like no these are good songs man we like them it's authentic yeah it was cool yeah there's something to be said for things being not that professional you know it's like it shows you more of who the person is i agree yeah as long as it's legit i guess the worst thing is fake authenticity you say you say that but like there's like um all the rate oh man like man man I don't think people give a shit man that much at least like people like the songs on the radio and things like that they're all well there's two different things going on I think there's people that are making songs that they think are going to be hits and then there's people that are making songs because they want to create something special I think there's two different things that are happening and some people are really good at that one thing where they make hits And they make these kind of catchy songs, and maybe they don't resonate with you, but they resonate with enough people that they become real successful.

[1332] But it's like, and, you know, it gets to all kinds of different levels.

[1333] Like, it gets to, like, the milly -vanilly level, right?

[1334] Or they created a fake band, and they had these guys go out and lip sync it.

[1335] That's insane.

[1336] Yeah.

[1337] I think that was more acceptable back in the day.

[1338] I feel like people are really, like, hitting on the whole, like, realness thing nowadays.

[1339] When back in the day, I feel like there were just megastars who just did whatever.

[1340] Like all the lip syncing and things Like all the conspiracy Do people still do that today?

[1341] Some people do, right?

[1342] I think, I don't really know Like I've seen Oh, didn't Cardi B throw a microphone?

[1343] She got very angry She said two microphones though I saw Was the music still playing?

[1344] Yeah, she was rapping if you will Over her track Without the vocals taken out Which they do sometimes It's very yeah It's very like it's very gray It's like a gray area for me But I don't it doesn't make sense to me Because when I play I'm sorry Is that why the girl Through the drinking of it?

[1345] No but They also, like, getting way too deep.

[1346] Some contracts, they might not pay for you to do the real performance.

[1347] They might just pay for that, and you have a different fee for that performance kind of thing because it's so less of a big thing for them.

[1348] Yeah, less risky.

[1349] They're not.

[1350] It was like daytime in Vegas.

[1351] Do people get mad when you do that?

[1352] In Vegas and the daytime party, why would you, you're not, you know, you're just happy that they're there.

[1353] Do you remember when there was a girl who got caught doing that on silent live?

[1354] That's what I was talking about when I brought it up.

[1355] The whole, like, conspiracy was behind lip -syncing and stuff.

[1356] But today, production is so, like, fucking in everything that, like, people will just say they're, like, it's a backtrack.

[1357] When in reality, it's, like, a lot of their performance.

[1358] And there's, like, a word for it now, so it's okay.

[1359] I think, man, I've never, like, dove into it or anything.

[1360] But it kind of sucks when I got my boys up there, like, busting their ass, fucking trying to hit every single note, right?

[1361] Right.

[1362] Which is a lot of beautiful bands who still do that to this day.

[1363] but you hear about like a lot of like click tracks and shit and like you're in ears and it's like oh man we we we rehearsed a lot to make this sound almost as good as that you know it's a it's a playback track or whatever it's crazy yeah that's a weird controversy I guess with people right and I forget words all the time which is crazy like I was at a festival like two weeks ago and I was playing in front of fucking 25 30 ,000 people when I was playing and I literally blanked on it and I had no I had nothing I got nothing oh my God and I'm like What'd you do?

[1364] I just said, hey, I forgot the, I'm going to restart it.

[1365] I forgot the words.

[1366] And if people were like, yeah, I mean, it makes sense to me, but it's such fucking, it's like, it blows people's minds.

[1367] I'm like, no, I'm singing this stuff.

[1368] It's also cool for the people, too, because you get to see something that's rare.

[1369] You know, it's not just a regular performance.

[1370] Which is silly.

[1371] People are so inhuman to me when it comes like watching people perform.

[1372] I'm like, how the fuck, how are they doing it, you know?

[1373] Yeah.

[1374] Because when I'm performing, I'm like, I'm like going crazy in my head.

[1375] I'm like, don't forget it.

[1376] Don't forget it.

[1377] You got it.

[1378] You got it.

[1379] Look at the kid.

[1380] Have you ever taken anything from memory, like neutropics or anything like that?

[1381] You know what those are?

[1382] Budweiser every time.

[1383] Budweiser will do a different thing.

[1384] Yeah.

[1385] Yeah.

[1386] It's good.

[1387] I don't know if Budweiser's bad for your memory, but I don't think it's good.

[1388] Can't be.

[1389] The other guy said, Huberman said it kills you.

[1390] Yeah, it's a...

[1391] It's a...

[1392] It's a relaxing, man. Relaxing you.

[1393] Yeah, it's crazy.

[1394] But there's a bunch of different things that are called neutropics, and there are vitamins and nutrients that you can take that actually help your memory.

[1395] They help brain function.

[1396] My buddy Austin, he takes him all the time He makes it a huge deal when he does too He makes a big deal of it He jokes about it man He'll like take one and be like Hey guys I'm on on it right now I can do anything you want It's crazy man But I've never felt like I needed to I feel like I've done a pretty good job With like remembering every word I've ever written When it comes to being on stage But not even just for that It's like it increases Whatever the fuck is going on in your head When you're conscious You know, like, you know how you're awake and you're alive and, you know, but you vary day by day.

[1397] You vary in, like, how well you can talk, you vary and how well you think, you vary and how much energy you have.

[1398] What neutropics do for me is it can get you to a point where, like, there's less of the negative and much more of the, like, communicating and being able to.

[1399] think and being able to remember things at the peak of your abilities.

[1400] Wow.

[1401] You want to be closest to that.

[1402] We joked about taking one before I came on here.

[1403] Did you?

[1404] Yeah.

[1405] You want to take more than one.

[1406] I think I think like six.

[1407] I think six at time those alpha brains.

[1408] Because I like being quick.

[1409] I mean you like everyone likes being quick witted when it comes to just speaking and communicating and things like that.

[1410] I just like my brain working better.

[1411] I guess like sometimes you feel fucking foggy.

[1412] That's what I mean when I said I forgot the fucking song that I've sang a thousand times and you do it and you do you just like an idiot.

[1413] I'm sure.

[1414] And every time I get off stage I'm like holy shit but that's touring too right you're getting worn out man yeah I think so too yeah like how many months have you what's like the longest run you've done at the beginning of the year when you saw us in Austin two step in started our like Europe run into the May run which was like 60 days it was sorry it was absolutely insane at the end of it we we ended a railroad in Kentucky and I just laid in the grass and I was like thank God it's crazy man but then you see fucking Mick Jagger and stuff doing it and you're like man why am I complaining?

[1415] Shut up you know you're like get on stage bro I don't think Mick drinks anymore that checks I've been there too well it's been a weird it's been a weird conflict in my head because I don't like take anything I don't like take pills or anything and getting on stage I mean like normal pill like beta blockers like that they keep you from freaking out but dude I have like have you ever taken those no I've always wondered like I've taken, I just lied to you, I've taken them one time, and I took him and I was like, this feels weird, man. I'm not, like, in it.

[1416] Because I get really bad stage fright, like, super bad stage fright.

[1417] And I, like, but then as soon as I'm on stage, I'm like, oh, this is sick.

[1418] I don't know where it comes from.

[1419] So it's right before.

[1420] Every time.

[1421] Just before.

[1422] And I just, like, my whole body locks up, and I'm like, you can't do this.

[1423] You can't do this.

[1424] Oh, shit, we're doing it.

[1425] Oh, okay, cool.

[1426] And then I'm doing it.

[1427] And I'm like, why are you freaking out?

[1428] I think it's just because you love what you do and you want to do it great.

[1429] Yeah, nervousness is a good thing I think there's certain amount of nervousness Is a good thing And I'm grateful for it Yeah, it puts you on edge Truly, it's nice Because your performance is like When I saw you live You're so hyped up man So it was really exciting It was really fun And if you have to be nervous Before every show to accomplish that Exactly I just want to be hungry man You know like I miss I don't miss it because I still am But I just always want to feel that I always want to feel like I'm proving something Every single time You can keep that I know I know And it's been beautiful to see that over the last three years because I thought at this point I'd be like oh screw it man it's beautiful it's cool I think if you love what you do you can keep it I think there's just as you're going to get more and more successful it's going to get more complicated your life will get more complicated it gets more intertwined and it gets more public and you're you know you're going to experience a lot of success and when you experience a lot of success then it becomes weird and then you have to readjust constantly I'm dealing with that new way of life readjust this new you know new amount of pressure that people have on you to adapt yeah it's crazy to think man i i remember like when it all first started i was like oh this is it i did it yeah and it was like two months in i had no i had no idea i got a i got a steak dinner bought for me by like a label or something i was like man if all i get from this is steak dinner then i did it and it's just it's been really beautiful to like watch it unfold and see how it all worked out that's awesome it's crazy it's absolutely crazy yeah it is a crazy story right it is yeah and being in the navy for like nine years beforehand is even crazy because no one ever talks about that I'm like bro I busted my ass man I was I was like in Africa and fucking Bahrain and stuff and I was like would you do in Africa and Bahrain I was a this is a crazy story in itself but I won't tell the whole thing tell the whole thing shit okay so my open a second Bud Light and let's go Like I said about my dad, he was in the Navy for like 25 years.

[1430] So I was, uh, hey, man. Look at you.

[1431] Hey, man. Uh, dork, bro.

[1432] I've always loved dressed blues, though.

[1433] That is sick.

[1434] You ever heard that song, Dressed Blues by Isabel?

[1435] No. You got to, it's beautiful.

[1436] It's beautiful.

[1437] But my dad was in the Navy for like 25 years.

[1438] And my mom was in the Navy, like I said earlier, my grandpa was in the Navy.

[1439] And so growing up, when I was like 14 years old, I was like, man, I'm going to be in the Navy.

[1440] That's all I want to do.

[1441] I want to, like, die for this country, man. best country in the world I want to be in it I want to experience that whole like empire state building thing where you're devoted to something yeah and so I turned 17 and my dad was a recruiter in Oklahoma and I was like okay cool so he like helped me get recruited and I was supposed to go in the Navy as a diver but shit fell through my dad was like it'll be fine you'll get to boot camp and they'll ask you if you want to be a diver and then you can just say yes and it'll be fine.

[1442] So I was like, okay, sick.

[1443] It was like, get on a fucking bus, and I'm like, let's do this.

[1444] And I was nervous.

[1445] I was scared, man. I was terrified because as like a kid, you don't really know what to expect in the military.

[1446] And I like end up at boot camp, which is crazy.

[1447] And I was terrified.

[1448] And then I realized it was all just kind of routine and stuff like that.

[1449] And I got out of boot camp.

[1450] Actually, no, that's not the whole story.

[1451] I was trying to be a diver.

[1452] and and one day they were like hey you're going to get to you're going to get to reclass what you're doing and they gave me like two options and it was like be a master at arms which is like a cop in the military or be a aviation ordnanceman which is like the dudes who like load the bombs and things on planes and I was pissed at my dad I was like what the hell man I thought you said I was going to get to be a diver I called him I'm like dude you suck man and so my buddies were all aos which in the Navy they're all fucking made fun of because they're all like big old dumb idiots and then I became an AO and I went to A school to be an A .O and it was amazing man I met some of those beautiful people I've ever met I've ever met I've learned more than I've ever learned but while I got stationed in Nebraska and and I hate I hate this I'm not gonna I'm not gonna oversell this because I don't want to sound tough but I trained to be a CEO for like two years with this guy named Senior Chief Lundquist that a Omaha Nebraska and I trained really really hard I took a bunch of these PSTs and I would call my mom every day she would ask me how far I ran how far I swam how many how much I lifted and shit and then I don't take it lightly either I'm not tough it never happened but I wanted to go to buds really bad because like I said I wanted to do something that was greater than myself and then the day my package came back for the seal the buds thing my mom had died And I was like, well, fuck, man, this sucks.

[1453] This is crazy.

[1454] And all the while I was an A -O.

[1455] And I hated it.

[1456] I hated it.

[1457] I was like, oh, shit.

[1458] Now I've got to be an ordnanceman.

[1459] And when she passed away, I was like, man, I don't want to do that.

[1460] I don't really want to pursue that.

[1461] So I bitched out for sure.

[1462] And I wish I wouldn't have sometimes, but like life is crazy.

[1463] And my chief, my chief, who's like high ranking, he looked at me and he was like, man, you want to go out there and die or something?

[1464] Why do you want to do this so bad?

[1465] And I was like, I guess you're right.

[1466] it's one of those stories in my life where I kind of I look back and I'm like man if things would have been different what would have happened but uh she passed away and then I moved to Washington to be an ordinance man and as soon as I fucking landed in Washington they sent me they sent me to the desert this Bahraini desert to like learn how to like build missiles and load missiles it's crazy and it was sick man it was beautiful so I and I was you had to build missiles as in like load them or as in like disassemble and reassemble And this is different from EOD There's explosive ordnance disposal And then there's AOs Which AOs are kind of just like the The little tiny baby cousin of Not even, they're not even connected EOD, there's some badass guys AOs are just the dude to build, load, Arm and dearm the bombs That are on the planes that are taken off Just build bombs No big deal Yeah, it's cool, man, it's neat And but fucking It's crazy So I was in the desert man I was fucking like 19 years old Like oh shit Okay I'm here and I was a sand sailor for sure I never like was on a ship and so that was my first deployment and I fell in love with it I wanted to do it like always I was like this amazing I had this really great gunner gunner is like your officer above you and he just inspired me so much to be the best that I could be like every day so I'd go into work and dude I was a fucking kiss ass like in the Navy everyone hated me because I was like let's do it let's go to war man let's go and we were just doing simple shit like eating dinner you know and uh but i fell in love with it and i wanted to do it forever and so we would like launch planes out and like do the keys and shit to arm the missiles that took off and things like that and uh i forgot what your name question was i'm so sorry like at the very beginning i don't remember what the exact question was either oh yeah just being in the navy in general and what was what were you talking about we were talking about something in specific you know specific story exactly and i said I didn't want to tell the whole story.

[1467] God damn it.

[1468] Oh, I was just saying that I was in for like nine.

[1469] I was in for like nine years and no one ever talks about that shit now.

[1470] And I was like, but, and then I went to Djibouti Africa, which was crazy.

[1471] That's right.

[1472] I asked you about Africa and I asked you about Bahrain.

[1473] Yeah.

[1474] That's what started it.

[1475] And then I was in Africa for like, dude, I've been in Africa for like a year of my life.

[1476] I was deployed there twice.

[1477] And it's like, I loved every second of it because I'd wake up at 5 a. 5 a .m. every morning and like go eat breakfast.

[1478] go like load your plane go eat lunch what part of Africa were you in Djibouti and where's that the horn it's like right on the edge either top or I'm gonna sound like an idiot Was there a lot of wildlife?

[1479] No we were stuck on the base The whole time you can't even go off the base It's crazy it's called Camp Luminear yeah But it's cool though because there's like eight gyms man And like food That's all you do and you're as happy as fuck Because it's so simple That is wild And you just go to breakfast workout go do your job work out that's what it looks like there no way yeah a little shittier where we were man it's cool and so you're just on the base and that's it yeah and then every every more like whether there's like cluster bombs or whatever you'd like go you'd go assemble them or load them and shit and it was it was really crazy yeah and then like I said one day I just like ended up like it was overnight one day I just went to fucking Jacksonville Florida and was playing my guitar on Twitter and it like blew up and then my chief was like hey man it's crazy you got a fucking this is a this is a conflict of interest man you can't because i was famous yeah i was like i think they were scared that i would show up to work and just be like fuck you guys man i don't need this you know it never happened i would never do that because i was so devoted to being in the navy but they thought you they were losing all power over exactly which is crazy to think about man and I had this fucking my gunner one day comes up to me and he's like hey man this is getting crazy you gotta get out of the Navy I'm like okay whatever do I have to and he's like yeah and I was like I'd rather not and he's like okay too bad and then he was like okay you'll be out of the Navy next week and I'm like that's crazy all right been doing this for eight years now and then it took eight months to process me out of the Navy and it was crazy because every day I would go into work and think like oh it's my last day in the Navy cool for eight months this is my last day you gotta work as hard as you possibly can man make it count make it count make it count and every day I'd go in and just bust my ass and then dude fine like six months in I'm like I'm in the fucking Navy forever man sounds good Jesus Christ why is that is that just standard for paperwork it's never happened it's never like I think don't quote me but like Elvis Presley was the last guy who got like honorably discharged out to make music and I'm not I'm not like being arrogant in that either I think that's true and it just never happens like that there's been a lot of stuff with um like NFL players who are like at the academy the naval academy who like are really good of football and getting drafted the NFL they have to like get transferred out and stuff like that but it's never happened like some Joe shit the ragman a oh like me and that's when I knew it that when my gunner called me that and he's like pack your bags i was like holy oh this is that serious i called my dad i thought he was going to be disappointed because he was a master chief and stuff and i was supposed to be a master chief my dad had like a bottle of whiskey when i was a kid that said master chief brian on it for me when i made master chief wow i thought when i called my dad he'd be disappointed but he was like might come home do it and i thought it would flop i thought it'd be nothing in the year you were already successful online yeah exactly exactly but i still i think still I never like played a show or anything and then we went like I got to remember your first one oh yeah what was it was uh the pageant in St. Louis Missouri how many people there wasn't a very first one this is unfair to say like my best friends in Washington when I was in the Navy I used to play at this place called uh I used to play like shitty acoustic sets at this place called um off the hook where like all the sailors went like on the weekends and shit they They had like, and my best friends, Austin and Kramer, they used to come to the bar and watch me, these two fucking dudes just looking at me play.

[1480] And every time I'd finish a song, they'd clap for me, man, because they're real friends, you know.

[1481] And that was like the very first show I ever played.

[1482] But the pageant in St. Louis, I got out of the Navy, and here's what's weird for me, because musicians have a...

[1483] I'm talking way too much.

[1484] I apologize.

[1485] No, you're not at all.

[1486] Musicians have usually a pipeline.

[1487] Which drives me crazy.

[1488] I don't know why, but they have a pipeline of like, oh, man, I played small bars, and then I played the bigger small bars, and then I played the bigger, bigger small bars.

[1489] Then I went to medium venues, and then I went to bigger medium venue.

[1490] And they have this, like, thing where they're proud of it, of course, which I would be, too.

[1491] That's a journey.

[1492] But when I got out of the Navy, I was already, like, there.

[1493] So I, like, hopped on a fucking tour bus.

[1494] So like, hey, you're going to the pageant in St. Louis play.

[1495] Wow.

[1496] How many people is that?

[1497] I think 2 ,500.

[1498] Wow.

[1499] Which was crazy for me, because I never played a show.

[1500] And people blame me a lot for this.

[1501] Like, they get mad at me. And I'm like, bro, I didn't fucking do this.

[1502] I didn't mean for this to happen.

[1503] Why are they mad at you?

[1504] I agree.

[1505] And it freaks me out too.

[1506] And I just like, I wish I could just, uh, I wish I could just like talk to people and be like, hey, man, this is a, this is a phrase that I've heard that I've repeated way too much, but I'm going to say it one more time.

[1507] I forget who said this but we'll look it up all criticism is the tragic result of unmet needs so people who feel like they should be you people feel like man in the arena shit I was thinking about that before I got here yeah there's something to that there's something to like what you do with your energy if you're a big old hater Marshall Rosenberg father of nonviolent communication said that every criticism judgment diagnosis and expression of anger is the tragic expression of an unmet need.

[1508] Peace requires that we develop the skills to recognize the needs, feelings, and values that influence our perspective so that we can respond.

[1509] I forget what it's not...

[1510] Wow.

[1511] I know what the rest of the article says.

[1512] That's just the highlight.

[1513] But whatever it is, oh, so we respond appropriately.

[1514] Often we react to situations and people that push our buttons that have recognized and that our emotions are simply a guide to uncovering the unmet needs inside.

[1515] Instead of looking outwards in blame and judgment, self -awareness helps us, see our role in each interaction.

[1516] That's insane.

[1517] Beautiful, brilliant.

[1518] And I get that, but you're, like, empathetic to those people.

[1519] You can't be empathetic to someone's mad at you because you're successful.

[1520] I learned the hard, like, last, we did a whole bunch of shit, like, with ticketing and stuff like that.

[1521] We tried our best, actually.

[1522] Like, as a man, I was like, okay, I'm going to fix this problem, man. This is happening.

[1523] I remember we had a conversation on the phone about it.

[1524] Yeah, exactly.

[1525] I was like, man, it's me. I'll be the guy.

[1526] I'm gonna do this and then I did it and it was just Theo was on the video and stuff for it I like put out the scalpers I was like I'm gonna make everyone register we're gonna show IDs at the venue tickets are gonna be 150 bucks no matter what no matter what I don't care and um fucking backfired on me because people were just so angry at me about it and I was just trying do the right thing and so it kind of were was everybody angry at you no some of the people happy with you of course it's hard to tell yeah that's the problem exactly it's hard to tell that's the problem and that's why in that dunbar's number those five close confidants those are the ones you need to be able to have a conversation with about that kind of shit and that's the thing about my life which is sorry that's the thing about my life which is so crazy is because I have so many people that are so close to me and they know why I do what I do and the feelings that I feel and why I'm why I try so hard and why do this why do that same with everyone's life but it's hard I think to be a figure or a big figure and say one thing to those people and then the public guy see something else right and it's like damn tried tried my hardest you know it's crazy man it's nuts it was like psychotic like we're saying though someone there's always going to be someone that's upset and if you have people upset at you even if it's a small percentage of the people that that feeling is magnified it feels way worse.

[1527] But their feelings are valid though, too.

[1528] Like those, that small amount of people whose feelings are like that, I have that problem.

[1529] It depends on what we're talking about.

[1530] Very true.

[1531] It depends on what we're talking about.

[1532] I mean, sometimes it's valid, but sometimes it's just a pure expression of that, that paragraph that that guy wrote.

[1533] Yeah.

[1534] Very, very true.

[1535] It could be that.

[1536] Because there's a lot of people are upset because they didn't figure it out and they didn't get the breaks they thought they deserved and they didn't get opportunities.

[1537] Or they got a bad roll of the dice in terms of like their life and where they grew up and and they get really angry when they see someone who hits the lottery and some people hit the lottery you know they respect i think most people respect a long grind to be like the rolling stones like if you're the rolling stones like how can you not respect that the guy's 80 he's up there doing concerts and killing and probably when they were a younger band they fucking yeah grinded and grinded and grind in those like i was saying earlier with those small venues use those medium menus and things like that.

[1538] So nobody would hate on the Rolling Stones.

[1539] No. But someone would hate on you because you're new.

[1540] So it's this new thing with this guy like, he didn't even have to try that hard.

[1541] He didn't even play a small boy.

[1542] This motherfucker was in the Navy.

[1543] This is bullshit.

[1544] I've been on the fucking road since I was 12.

[1545] And people forget, man, about the fucking like four or five hours a night I spent after a shift in the Navy, like doing the shit.

[1546] at writing songs, getting good at writing songs.

[1547] People forget that it takes a lot to be a good writer.

[1548] You know, and I'm not, I'm not talking on my ass.

[1549] I'm saying that that's one thing in my life, this life that I know that I've earned because I've written so many things and I've had so many shitty songs that I've like, and I'm like, come on.

[1550] Do you write pen to paper or do you write with a laptop or a computer?

[1551] Pen to paper.

[1552] I can't, I have fucking 70 notebooks in my truck right now.

[1553] Wow.

[1554] Because I just, and they're all like, store them?

[1555] Do you like store them like images of them or anything?

[1556] No. I think it's kind of cool.

[1557] It is cool.

[1558] It's very cool.

[1559] It's not fucking...

[1560] Super valuable.

[1561] I know.

[1562] Last year I had a buddy, we were at the studio in Times Square, and he had this backpack on.

[1563] My notebook, four of my notebooks were in it with like every...

[1564] Like, yeah.

[1565] I don't know if I should say this, but every song I'd written in the last like two years in it.

[1566] Dude, that's scary.

[1567] Left it.

[1568] Crazy, man. No. Crazy, man. Oh, my God, did you freak?

[1569] Middle of New York City out.

[1570] I was terrified.

[1571] But that's why I don't know if I should say it.

[1572] Someone's going to fucking go on a scavenger hunt and look for it.

[1573] They're going to find your fucking songs.

[1574] Exactly.

[1575] Try to sell them back to you.

[1576] It's crazy.

[1577] Maybe you can get like a reward.

[1578] Without a reward.

[1579] Maybe some kid.

[1580] How long ago was this?

[1581] November last year?

[1582] Homeless people wiped their ass with those songs by now.

[1583] Think about that, bro.

[1584] I wonder if it, imagine if there was like a fucking super hit song.

[1585] I think about it all the time.

[1586] Like something in the orange.

[1587] And it's out there.

[1588] and some homeless guy's wiping his ass with it right now and he loves it and he loves it man it feels great i think about it so every morning i wake up and like fuck man who'd have thought maybe someone'll find it i think everything happens for a reason though yeah so maybe maybe i had a fucking shitty album in there oh i doubt it dude it's crazy but yeah i'm pin to paper for sure are you when you write your comedy are you no i write on a computer i don't you think that hurts it no i can write faster and your comedy's hilarious i'm just asking if you think it makes a difference in writing pen to paper?

[1589] Um, herts it in terms of memory, yes.

[1590] So I write pen to paper when I'm writing stuff down before a show.

[1591] So I'll write on index cards and I'll write on my notebook before show.

[1592] So I'll write out key bullet points, key important parts of a bit.

[1593] But when I'm writing, I don't want to be hindered by time.

[1594] So if I have a thought, if I'm sitting there and I'm writing, and I can type without looking, right?

[1595] So I can touch type.

[1596] So as I'm sitting, when I have ideas i can get them out like i can write appreciation like that that quick but if i have to write a p oh yeah it takes too much time yeah i can i'm the opposite man i'm a fucking i'm an ass i'll like take as much time as i can't writing the song but that's nothing wrong with that's that's i know a lot of comedian like my friend mark norman he carries a stack of index cards in his pocket it's like that thick why are you so worried about wasting time no it's just better for me with thoughts um we with time, like the more, like when I'm writing something out, if I have a thought and I gotta capture it, if I can get the words onto the screen quicker, then I have less of a chance of not, for getting it or something.

[1597] Yeah, not holding onto the idea.

[1598] Wow.

[1599] Because if I have to write out a word and they're like, fuck, what was I saying?

[1600] Where did I go with this?

[1601] I wanna be real sure that I have like a flow of ideas to documenting the ideas, ideas to expanding on the ideas and I don't want to be herky jerky touch typing I've been pointing in there I don't want to be I mean you know poke typing yeah I want to be able to just write wow when I can just write it's so much I can get so much more done so I can write paragraphs and the more paragraphs the more there's a chance that there's something fertile in there and then I take those things and I take them out that's happening I put them in another five you forget some shit always it's terrifying I know always I have great ideas in the middle of the night and i'm like i'll remember never remember i'm like this one i'll never forget melodies are weird melodies are really weird yeah how do they come to you for the most part i just have to have a guitar i'm different in a lot of people a lot of people that just pops in their head i'm like no i got to i got to sit with my guitar for like 10 hours yeah in play it's such a different but the same thing like i feel like writing comedy is probably similar to writing songs in a way how do you get jokes in your head you have to write and you have to think and you have to hang out with your friends.

[1602] A big one is hanging out with our friends.

[1603] Like, so, you know, you've been to the mothership and see how we all hang out together.

[1604] Everyone's talking shit and laughing and we're, like the other night, Ron White was telling this story and I said, did you, have you told this on stage?

[1605] And he goes, no I haven't.

[1606] I go, fucking please do.

[1607] You got it.

[1608] I'm like, that is a giant chunk of material.

[1609] I'm like, please write that down.

[1610] That is hilarious.

[1611] He's done that like three or four times.

[1612] But funny people are just funny people.

[1613] Ron White is so fun.

[1614] I wish I could meet him so bad man you can meet him i remember being a kid i'll set it up are you in town tonight i'll have you meet him i'll meet ron dude he'd love to meet you he's the fucking man my daddy's forced me to watch him man when they're like kids and then not that he's getting old or anything i'm just like remember that fucking he's definitely getting old we all are do you remember that awesome the four dudes when we were younger you get it on dvd it was like larry the cable guy yeah blue color comedy tour was huge that's what made that's what made larry the cable guy that's what made ron white jeff fox were there was already really successful it was huge Everyone watched it.

[1615] I remember like my whole family was talking about it in Oklahoma like that I'm like huge It was huge That's crazy But I've learned that What you were saying about That was really beautiful What you said about You have to hang out with your friends Because It's a big part of it right Like communication with each other Talking about stuff People want a lot from you As well as me As well as whoever And If you're touring all year And you're playing these shows And you're on a bus And you're going in an arena And out of arena You're not like Living these things that you can write about and when you're a writer it takes it like bothers you a lot because you're like I'm like I have an album coming out soon and I'm like damn man I hope it's good enough because I've been fucking touring for three years because I haven't gotten to live the things that I want to write about yeah like those amazing songs that people want it takes it takes like experience in this life it takes living which is such a paradox because it sucks because you want to be playing the songs you've written in the past but you also want to be writing the songs you have in the future you know it's nuts well i mean you your songs in the past you're always gonna have but it's when there's an exciting artist like yourself and i'm a fan i think you're awesome thank you joe and when i listen to your music i'm like this motherfucker could write songs like this for forever there's certain people that it's like davidel like my friend davidel davidel can write funny jokes forever forever Ever.

[1616] When he dies, he will be funny the day he dies.

[1617] But is he funny because he's relatable?

[1618] No, he's just awesome.

[1619] He's just so good.

[1620] He's so polished and he's the most underappreciated stand -up of our generation.

[1621] He's like an asshole for not knowing him.

[1622] He's so fucking funny, man. He's so good.

[1623] He's hilarious.

[1624] Is he at the mothership ever?

[1625] Yeah, he's been.

[1626] He's also, he's in New York most of the time.

[1627] That's where he lives.

[1628] But he's a legend, like a comedy legend and a legend amongst comedians.

[1629] Like universally loved amongst comedians.

[1630] And he just fucking, I would never imagine a time where that guy's not going to come up with something funny to say.

[1631] No shit.

[1632] It's not going to exist.

[1633] Just like you.

[1634] I'm not going to imagine a time unless you fall apart on us.

[1635] Yeah.

[1636] Well, it's a non -existent fear.

[1637] I remember when it all, when it all free, I fucking hope so.

[1638] Keep it together, bro.

[1639] I mean, you're on the other side.

[1640] You had to have times in your life where you, like in fame.

[1641] I don't know.

[1642] Bro, every day.

[1643] Every day.

[1644] I'm like, keep it together, bitch.

[1645] You got to do it.

[1646] Every day.

[1647] And that's why you're getting that fucking cold plunge, man. That's why I do all that.

[1648] torture shit I do to myself.

[1649] I'm doing it because I'm smart.

[1650] I know what I'm doing.

[1651] Bro, you've inserted yourself into everyone's head every morning and it's infuriating bro.

[1652] Every time I wake up, I'm like, fuck, dude.

[1653] Gotta go.

[1654] How about Joe's doing some shit right now?

[1655] Yeah, and I think that too.

[1656] I think that.

[1657] I do it for myself.

[1658] Like, I do it anyway.

[1659] But I do think, imagine if people were watching you and making sure you're not half -ass in this.

[1660] That's another thing about me and you, I guess, but like you gotta keep going.

[1661] You can't stop.

[1662] Even if it sucks.

[1663] That was a That's a crazy thing to think about, like, along your journey, no matter what, if it's bad or not, if your jokes are bad, if my songs are bad, you can't, you have to write the bad jokes and you have to write the bad songs and you have to keep going because if you don't, you're never going to write the good one.

[1664] Sometimes I would imagine you're bad, like, I've had bad jokes that, like, I was like, I can't figure out what to do with this.

[1665] I have an idea, but it's just too clunky.

[1666] And then, like, two years later, I revisit it.

[1667] Oh, yeah.

[1668] I have a new premise that ties in with it.

[1669] I'm like, oh yeah.

[1670] Oh my God, it slips like a love.

[1671] It makes sense.

[1672] Perfect.

[1673] That's what writing songs is like too, because like fucking you write like three lines.

[1674] Yeah, that's what I was going to say.

[1675] Do you have times where you write a song and you don't like it?

[1676] But then you come back and you have new ideas and then something from that song.

[1677] So, man. That's how all songs for me are written at least.

[1678] Except like a few of them, like the huge, here's what's interesting to think about.

[1679] I don't want to say huge coming on an ass, but like the big ones that I've written, the ones that were like successful.

[1680] they were always like two minute songs like sat down and like just fucking jotted and then wrote like did a video and then people loved them and I was like shit man but the ones I think about a lot the ones that I write and write right right they're always like no one really cares about them you know it's funny I'm like fuck man maybe I should just like get drunk and write really fast I think Sturgle Simpson said that about you can have the crown like that one song I fucking love that song Sergio's so good man what a hero man He's the fucking best All those guys are He's off the grid now Living on an island Good for him, yeah Look at that motherfucker doesn't play Bro, I follow a fucking Instagram called Where is Sturgle Simpson You follow that one too And it's just like random shit he's doing And I'm like I just wait for text messages He's one of those guys You like You just watch him existing Like man I love him to death I wish I could meet him Or whatever But he's such a legend I will hook it up If he's in town If he comes visit Sometimes I'll look it up Because like I said I know like three chords and shit And Sturgle's writing songs About like metaphysics and all that Well, you know, Sturgle was Yeah, yeah, that one.

[1681] That's the one, but go down, it was so funny.

[1682] There's all these fucking crazy pictures of him with puppies and shit.

[1683] He's a wild, bro.

[1684] He's such a man's man, bro.

[1685] I love him to death.

[1686] Yeah, me too.

[1687] I love that dude to death.

[1688] I'm so curious about him, man. When I first had him on the podcast, I had heard there's a psychedelic country guy, and I listened to a couple of songs and then had him on the podcast, and I was like, I wonder if this guy's going to want to play music.

[1689] I wonder if this guy's going to play music.

[1690] I wonder if he's going to just want to hang out.

[1691] And we just fucking smoke weed and talk shit.

[1692] It was amazing.

[1693] It was amazing.

[1694] I can't smoke pot, man. But you can.

[1695] It's totally possible.

[1696] I guess, yeah, I hate to sound like a bitch.

[1697] Do you get paranoid?

[1698] We smoke a lot of pot.

[1699] Well, I used to smoke a lot of pot.

[1700] Well, after I got out of the Navy, obviously, I was like, okay, I got to do it now.

[1701] Because I didn't smoke.

[1702] I didn't do drugs for like nine years.

[1703] Right.

[1704] Like, every day in the Navy.

[1705] Right.

[1706] And I didn't even know it was a thing.

[1707] And then my buddy, J .R., he smokes quite a bit, and there's nothing wrong with it.

[1708] but man I lived in New York for a little bit and one night I got some gas station marijuana from a fucking like corner stop and I like smoked it and I was on this like scaffolding thing in New York looking at the stars and I thought everything was fine and then all of a sudden my world collapsed which is such a bitch a bitch thing to say I don't really know I thought my fucking body was collapsing and I thought it you know it's crazy it was like a positive feedback loop in my head and I was like oh man my body's collapsing I'm fucked and I called my sister My dog's running around the apartment I'm taking my shirt off, bro My dog's running around with me I'm like, you gotta stay on the phone with me I can't do it Oh my god It was crazy So many people have had that experience But yeah I know And it's like You just gotta do it enough to do it But I don't really like There's never been a part of my life Where I wanted to do it enough To get to the point where I was okay with You definitely don't have to And I take like two hits With the guys out there and shit Like it's no big deal That's all you need But every time I think it's a different thing I'm like okay This is the time I'm gonna fucking Lose my mind You just went way too deep You do mushrooms?

[1709] Occasionally, I've been known.

[1710] They do some mushrooms.

[1711] I've been, I love shrimps a lot.

[1712] I think they should be not just legal, but we should have centers where people who are educated in the right dosage and the right, you know, for whatever it is for a person, if you want to achieve a certain thing, and they should have, like, screenings and, like, mental health screenings for people, and then they should have guided psychedelic experience.

[1713] And I think it would make the world a better way.

[1714] Don't they do that shit with a conopin or something?

[1715] I don't know.

[1716] No, no, ketamine.

[1717] They definitely do it with ketamine.

[1718] I don't think it's for everybody.

[1719] It's not for everybody.

[1720] I don't think anything's for everybody.

[1721] I think there are some people that have psychological problems and they shouldn't do anything that perturbs their normal state of consciousness.

[1722] Wow.

[1723] I've heard that said by experts, so I'm just repeating that and I agree with it because it makes sense to me. But for a lot of people, having a psychedelic experience, Where you get to see yourself outside of yourself is very beneficial.

[1724] That freaks me out when you talk about like DMT and things like that even on the show Yeah, like I hear you talk about stuff like that and I'm like dude, how the fuck does someone just do that to themselves?

[1725] Not in a bad way.

[1726] I mean that in like a in like a trip way or like if you were to do something like that I have that I have that I have that I got a funny story to tell you But I have that fear in me. It's like man. What if it goes wrong?

[1727] Yeah, what if you never come back?

[1728] Exactly like we've all heard about was it Keith Moon?

[1729] Who?

[1730] Who has it?

[1731] in uh who's like the first guy that they said went cuckoo from acid it was the dude from pink floyd right no what's that ken keezy's like the can kesey was like the fat the father of the psychedelic movement he was one of the fathers of the psychedelic movement i bet back in the day it wasn't as uh like it probably wasn't as good sid barrett right sid barrett was the the pink floyd right and he went crazy from lSD yeah but didn't someone else go crazy as well Cidbert is one of the most tragic stories in rock and roll.

[1732] What do you mean go crazy?

[1733] Sometimes, well, you know, Howard Stern talked about this once too.

[1734] He said that he took a lot of ass in one time and he was really fucked up for a long time and he's really scared that he wasn't going to come back.

[1735] Because there have been times where people have had, whether it's LSD or some mind -altering substance, that for whatever reason that we don't totally understand, they fucking go and never come back.

[1736] That's so weird.

[1737] Why would you ever do something like that?

[1738] Maybe it was Brian Wilson?

[1739] Did he go crazy from...

[1740] No disrespect to anyone?

[1741] That sounds as an interesting album.

[1742] Brian Wilson from the Beach Boys.

[1743] Wasn't he the guy that was also tied up with Manson?

[1744] He was tied up with the Manson family.

[1745] Well, that's where he was going...

[1746] Right.

[1747] Manson wanted to make music with him, and he was trying to force him to, like, do it.

[1748] Right, so that's probably why he was doing all that acid.

[1749] And he made him do acid?

[1750] Because Manson was doing acid.

[1751] And Manson was...

[1752] Dude, Manson, for the millionth time, I'll talk about this.

[1753] From the Beach Boys?

[1754] Manson ruined Dennis Wilson's life.

[1755] Oh, it's his brother.

[1756] Brother of Brian Wilson.

[1757] Never went to dare.

[1758] So Dennis Wilson was like the guy was going to manage him, right?

[1759] Or something like that?

[1760] I believe so.

[1761] Something like that.

[1762] He was looking for his house, I think.

[1763] The Manson family most likely was like a CIA project.

[1764] Most likely it was a project of MK Ultra.

[1765] And it's documented by this guy, Tom O 'Neill, in this book called Chaos.

[1766] It's an amazing book that talks about the CIA's LSD program.

[1767] They were dosing people all over the place with LSD.

[1768] They had a thing called Operation Midnight Climax where they would go to a brothel and they would have, you know, 3D or see -through mirrors so they could see through and watch the Johns.

[1769] And the prostitute would give the John a drink that was laced with acid.

[1770] So this guy would take this drink and just fucking trip balls and they would monitor them and they would talk to them.

[1771] And then they did a bunch of different things where they had the LSD studies that they did out of Harvard.

[1772] that actually created, most likely, was a factor in creating Ted Kaczynski, because the Unabomber was a part of those LSD studies.

[1773] And then...

[1774] He reminds you a Pineapple Express.

[1775] While he was tripping balls was thinking that technology is going to kill all the people.

[1776] So he has to kill the people that are making technology.

[1777] And by the way, I'm not condoning what he did.

[1778] But it's logical.

[1779] Yeah.

[1780] It's logical.

[1781] That's episode of Black Mirror.

[1782] It's logical.

[1783] It seems like it would be.

[1784] an episode of Black Mirror where the computers become far more intelligent than human beings and they have no use for them anymore and they in fact they find human beings to be a problem like that's that's the idea that you're going to create a new life form that's far more intelligent than you i'm going to sound down that technology is going to take over people you think it's no way me and danny talk about all the time well people smarter than me don't think it's going to happen like mark andres i feel that way and i'm not smart at all sometimes we talk about it i'm like Dude, there's no way in hell that people let things get that far to where...

[1785] I don't think we have a chance.

[1786] I don't think we have a chance.

[1787] Against it or for it to happen?

[1788] This is the problem.

[1789] And I'm not saying the capitalism is a bad thing.

[1790] But when corporations are primarily around to make money and they have an obligation to their stakeholders, they're always going to make money, if this new frontier is opening up and it's called artificial intelligence and you're a part of that and you start making money doing that, that fucking train.

[1791] is on the tracks baby and there's no brakes we you're not going to stop them from making they're already got chat gpT they can have fucking conversations with you right and can diagnose illnesses and tell you how to fix your car I have this problem where I believe in humanity though I do too no not that you don't I wasn't like inducing that I'm just I'm just a realist yeah but that's just a little crazy listen man they're not going to stop making it so if they're not going to stop making it where's it going to go it's going to go to a life form it's It's a matter of how much time does it take.

[1792] I don't understand the technology, so I can't say that it's 50 years from now or 100 years from now or five weeks from now.

[1793] I don't know.

[1794] I don't know what it is, but they're going to be able to create a life form.

[1795] Wow.

[1796] This is going to be...

[1797] This is what I don't understand.

[1798] Sorry for interrupting.

[1799] No, please.

[1800] This is what I don't understand.

[1801] You see those videos you've been seen them for like five years of like those weird robotic heads talking that look like real faces and things like that.

[1802] And this is really elementary.

[1803] I just mean like those weird balls.

[1804] old mannequin looking heads who are communicating the AI looking things that's what happened in for five years oh yeah when's it when's the when's like what everyone's scared up gonna well they've got some pretty sophisticated ones out of I believe Japan now there's Whitney and her robot yeah I thought you were just pulling pictures like girls man I was like what the hell that's my friend Whitney Cummings and that's her robot so Whitney Cummings robot can like talk and and say things and she has it say jokes that's a fucking nightmare it's hilarious not Whitney Cummings twice but like the fact that there's a robot well she thinks it's hilarious that's that's so scary a ton of inappropriate jokes about the robot does no she you know puts them in the robot's face but she's holding its face yeah she took its head off yeah well this is like very rudimentary like that kind of robot yeah that's what I mean by that it's like I feel like everything you've seen online when it comes to AI and things like that it's all which is even scarier because who do you know like what's going on somewhere else when it comes to AI and things like that.

[1805] I think we're only, what we're learning from, like, chat, GPT, is that just from scouring the internet, you could have a program that's so powerful that it could answer any question you have in very complex ways, and paragraph after paragraph.

[1806] This has been interesting in the music industry because people, like, people fucking every day, man, 20 people send me a song by an AI bot that I wrote.

[1807] And it's almost insulting Because I see the songs And it's like It's crazy to see the lyrics That these AI bots come up with I'm like man I gotta write fucking better songs Can you see it?

[1808] I'm like man I wrote that to this AI bot And it scares the shit out of me But I'm also like Like when I think of my head And like think about What I can write personally from my heart I'm like there's no way AI has ever It's not going to be able to replicate What your lived felt experiences Can convey in a creative way Which I think people are smarter than people think and I think that it'll always reign supreme.

[1809] But I think it's going to make some hits.

[1810] Yeah, there was like a bunch of.

[1811] There was like a bunch of them.

[1812] Yeah, I was going to mention it, but I didn't want to.

[1813] Like, it was huge.

[1814] Apparently it was huge.

[1815] Look, it's going to make some hits.

[1816] And that's not against Drake.

[1817] That's so cool.

[1818] Drake can still make hits too, but AI can make Drake hits.

[1819] And that's what's crazy.

[1820] It's like when you get to a certain point, like if you have a certain style of music, like I wonder if it can do.

[1821] do jazz.

[1822] I don't really have a real understanding of jazz.

[1823] I feel like it would be easier to do jazz than right.

[1824] This is not an insult towards jazz musicians.

[1825] I respect them.

[1826] I feel like it could do jazz well because it has so many notes and perfect like slides and things to go off of.

[1827] When it comes like songwriting, it might be a little different.

[1828] Imagine if it did jazz better than the jazz musicians and everybody got mad.

[1829] That'd be crazy.

[1830] Oh, jazz musicians would be pissed.

[1831] They'd be so mad.

[1832] They'd be so mad, man. There'd be a bunch of fucking breweries.

[1833] Just Up in flames.

[1834] You go into some independent coffee shop.

[1835] And they're just all pissed.

[1836] And there's a jazz playing.

[1837] Some fucking dude.

[1838] But it's AI jazz.

[1839] But it's amazing.

[1840] And you're like, oh my God.

[1841] Because if AI is that smart.

[1842] There's some dude with a bass, just fucking piss.

[1843] Right.

[1844] If you think about what, like every, they say, I don't know anything about music.

[1845] Let me just say this real quick.

[1846] But they say that every note is apparently been played, like all of them, right?

[1847] Yes, okay.

[1848] I don't know if this is true, but Bach, uh, don't, I don't know anything about music either.

[1849] But Bach when...

[1850] Isn't this AI then?

[1851] Isn't that a program?

[1852] Jammy or freaking me out?

[1853] But no, that's the same thing?

[1854] No. No, no, no, that's a program.

[1855] Those pieces of paper or those holes in that paper or whatever the fuck that thing is, that scroll.

[1856] But what's artificial intelligence, right?

[1857] That's the same thing.

[1858] You're feeding it a bunch of shit to then recreate without some...

[1859] Yeah, but it's not growing.

[1860] That's mechanical, bro.

[1861] It's not growing.

[1862] It doesn't grow inside itself.

[1863] That's why AI's fucking scary.

[1864] That's like saying an automatic watch.

[1865] is artificial intelligence.

[1866] Or like factories or artificial intelligence.

[1867] Because all the gears are spinning and ticking and keeping perfect time.

[1868] No, that's mechanical.

[1869] That's engineering.

[1870] You know what?

[1871] I'm with him, man. That's what, I feel like that's what Andresen was sort of saying.

[1872] Like, it's just, like, reading off of the internet sort of and saying words that sort of to us makes sense.

[1873] Sure.

[1874] For now.

[1875] But yeah, that's the thing people have been saying forever, though.

[1876] Did you see the Black Mirror episode?

[1877] With the AI and the likeness thing?

[1878] and they can steal your likeness and they be created.

[1879] I think I saw that one.

[1880] Did I say that one?

[1881] Maybe I didn't.

[1882] And the TikTok fucking things?

[1883] I don't know.

[1884] I'm not seen this exactly.

[1885] This has just been around for 150 years and it's very close to this replaced a piano player you know from the Wild Wild West.

[1886] But it'll always play the exact same thing.

[1887] Yeah, and it sounds the exact same every time you play.

[1888] Oh, so they have them in the Wild Wild West.

[1889] This is old as shit.

[1890] Yeah, these are really old.

[1891] See, that's what I'm trying to say about people.

[1892] They keep saying that.

[1893] Sounds like someone's playing it.

[1894] That sounds like a place where someone's getting shot.

[1895] Right?

[1896] How did they make that in the...

[1897] When'd you say it?

[1898] These are old...

[1899] I don't know when they were first invented But these are not new and they're old.

[1900] Got to get one of them, man. Alarm clock.

[1901] We should have one of those in the studio.

[1902] Got to.

[1903] See, that's not, you know...

[1904] Bro.

[1905] How much do you think one of those costs?

[1906] A player piano.

[1907] Right now?

[1908] We should have one in the studio.

[1909] What's a player piano?

[1910] Is that what it's called?

[1911] There's a play...

[1912] We should get one of them old ones.

[1913] Supposedly a player.

[1914] It'd be dope just to have around just for the vibes.

[1915] Put it in here, man. So next time this comes up, you can just...

[1916] Just play it.

[1917] And there's no room in here.

[1918] We have the perfect amount of things that are in here.

[1919] We have no room in here, but out there we have room.

[1920] Thank you.

[1921] Thank you very much.

[1922] I'm scared of artificial intelligence.

[1923] I'm scared of all of it because I think human beings are going to become obsolete.

[1924] And I think we either are going to merge with technology, which we're kind of already doing.

[1925] Elon always points out that we're already a cyborg.

[1926] We just hold our phone.

[1927] Yeah.

[1928] But you're connected with it in a very, very strange way.

[1929] You can't exist without it now.

[1930] It's hard to.

[1931] You can, for sure.

[1932] A lot of people do.

[1933] Christopher Nolan apparently does.

[1934] Apparently he doesn't have email, nothing.

[1935] Can't you have to talk to him.

[1936] And you aspire for that sometimes.

[1937] Like in your head, you...

[1938] Sometimes, but I like...

[1939] First of all, I like the distraction of my phone sometimes.

[1940] If I'm bored, I like to sit and watch, like, pool matches on YouTube.

[1941] Agreed.

[1942] You know, I like to watch fights if I found out about fights.

[1943] And, like, I get to watch, like, results.

[1944] I get to watch things that maybe I had missed, like, on other organizations outside of the UFC.

[1945] You're like, watch my phone.

[1946] I wonder why you're so, yeah, I wonder why people are so, I personally, like, the age that I'm at, you're older than me, but, like, I feel ashamed of your phone use.

[1947] Looking at my phone so much.

[1948] Yeah.

[1949] And I think that might be, like, an immaturity thing.

[1950] You know what I mean?

[1951] Where I can't monitor myself and I, like, just, but I tweet some heinous shit.

[1952] Do you?

[1953] I tweet some crazy shit.

[1954] People are always like, man, what's going?

[1955] And I'm literally just like, like, 3 a .m. on a Tuesday.

[1956] And I'm like, man, fuck it.

[1957] You know?

[1958] And I just get on, and people, I'll wake up the next day and people are like, hey, man. you good I'm like yeah it's a song lyric or something yeah it's crazy I like doing it's like like I said I haven't talked to someone like this and so so long that like my fucking crazy tweets are the only thing that people know me by and I'm like man I gotta clear some hair bro it's so crazy do you think about not tweeting sometimes like it's not worth it I actually recently deleted my Twitter I do I go through these phases where I'm like I do it so much then I'm like man get off here for a second I don't know how the fuck Elon does it I have that stuff.

[1959] Yeah, dude, he changed the world today.

[1960] He, like, made it X, right?

[1961] Yeah, it's X now, officially.

[1962] You tweet, ever?

[1963] I don't...

[1964] Yeah, occasionally.

[1965] I read things more than I post things.

[1966] Do you run your own Twitter?

[1967] Yeah, but I don't want to engage with anybody.

[1968] You know, like, these back and forth that people have with people, like, I am so not interested in doing that.

[1969] There's something in me where people respond.

[1970] I'm like, my...

[1971] No, it's not like fans responding.

[1972] Oh, I see.

[1973] It's people get into conflicts on Twitter, and I think that's ridiculous.

[1974] Ridiculous.

[1975] I think it's the worst way to communicate.

[1976] It bothers me a lot.

[1977] And I think people, I see some people, all they do is just lash out at people.

[1978] And that is a hurt person.

[1979] That's what that is.

[1980] That's all that is.

[1981] It's like, it's not a healthy way to live your life.

[1982] But you have to empathize a little bit inside yourself, too, with those people.

[1983] Sure.

[1984] Sometimes people tweet at me and I'm like, hey, man. But I don't tweet back ever.

[1985] I always control myself most of the time.

[1986] I'm not, don't quote me on that.

[1987] I have friends that tell me about tweets that they read.

[1988] Isn't that crazy?

[1989] I'm thinking about fucking telling that kind of fuck off And I'm going on man Stop reading that shit Yeah it doesn't matter that much I don't think at the grain But it is interesting to read All these different people's opinions and thoughts I do love that about Twitter That you'll get like these Hardcore leftist perspectives And hardcore right wing perspectives And every I think as much as it makes people uncomfortable You have to have a place Where everybody gets to talk it out Everybody gets to talk And it's beautiful Looney people that think that fucking nuclear bombs aren't real.

[1990] Do you know that's a big one that's going around the internet now?

[1991] Nuclear bombs are not real?

[1992] Yeah, nuclear bombs are hoaxes.

[1993] It's a hoax.

[1994] Okay.

[1995] That's the latest.

[1996] Oppenheimer was bullshit, man. It's semi -connected, I think, to Flat Earth.

[1997] Let's go.

[1998] I think it's semi -connected to dinosaurs aren't real.

[1999] It's like a three -pronged attack of idiocy.

[2000] That's crazy.

[2001] What's their main reasoning behind nuclear bombs?

[2002] Well, I just think they're that I think they're big bombs.

[2003] Just big bombs.

[2004] Yeah, there was like some Twitter thread I was reading where they were talking about how nuclear bombs have to be fake because Hiroshima and Nagasaki don't have any nuclear fallout.

[2005] That's the fuck.

[2006] I've been that.

[2007] When I was a kid, I went.

[2008] I saw the museum, bro.

[2009] Dude, if you're a little kid and you're walking through.

[2010] I wonder.

[2011] I seriously wonder how many of these people that are having these conversations online are like Russian agents or their feds or they're like somebody who's just designed to make people stupider.

[2012] I should worry about the same thing now Everyone who tweets at me is a Russian agent, bro I'm saving the world baby I fucking seriously wonder Because you remember when Free Bleeding was a thing on 4chan And they talked some feminists Into not wearing tampons And just bleeding in their pants As a sign of empowerment Free I wasn't a part of this movement No Free bleeding But it became people actually did it Some people actually did it It was like a troll It was a troll at first And I think a lot of these things Whether it's flat earth or whether it's nuclear bombs aren't real.

[2013] I think it's a lot of crazy people and a lot of people that watch too many YouTube videos.

[2014] But I also think some of it has to be someone that's like monkeying with people's ideas.

[2015] Like throwing preposterous ideas that are well articulated out there to get people to believe in nonsense and then argue about it.

[2016] When we did the ticket master stuff and we made it a big deal, my managers that came to me like, hey man, you got to be ready for.

[2017] bots and things online to manipulate how you're feeling and make you respond in a way where Well also manipulate the conversation about you And you get upset It's not just manipulate how you feel It's manipulate how the people that are read Like maybe someone doesn't know how to feel About what you did And they're like I mean I think he's doing it for us And then you go and read on Twitter That guy's a selfish piece of shit That guy this, that guy that You're reading all these horrible takes That might not even be real They might not be people Or they might be people Or they might be engineered by people people through multiple fucking sock puppet accounts.

[2018] If you go to like a famous person's like Twitter and things like that, you can look at who's following in them and like if you like scroll down like this is fucking psychotic that I know this.

[2019] I don't do this myself.

[2020] I just know from talking to people and things.

[2021] If you like scroll down, you can see like just fucking like 100 and hundreds of bots and stuff like that.

[2022] Oh yeah.

[2023] Who are just tweeting crazy shit but their accounts aren't really like three people follow them and they're following like 600 people and all the 600 like famous.

[2024] people and they're either saying like nice shit or mean shit and you're like this is weird it's weird what's going on man it's anytime there's culture war stuff like anytime there's stuff about like trans rights or anytime it's stuff about ukraine war like these right like uh anytime there's an abortion debate you will read these comments i'll go through the comment the um that one's a big one the row v wade one's a big one if you go through those comments and you read them some of the the people you look at their page like I'll read like some preposterous take on things and then I go and read their page I'm like oh this isn't even a person Yeah yeah and it's a lot of times it's in politics and shit like that When I said that shit about like whatever Bud Light because my fucking Sister's spouse is transgender I like I like hired a security guy for a second I was like man this is crazy People are mad at you Yeah and not being a bitch either I was like man it's kind of scary bro I live in a city I don't want people to come for me Because a lot of people were pissed It's such a dumb reason to get mad I woke up on a Saturday, bro, and I had a dude tell me I was like a Nazi and a mutilator on my Twitter.

[2025] And I was like, girl, what the fuck are you talking about?

[2026] It was psychotic.

[2027] It was crazy.

[2028] Well, there's people that feel, there are some people that feel like supporting that idea is going to make more people try it.

[2029] And it's going to make more people regret having gone through transition.

[2030] And so they really highlight detransitioners.

[2031] So, like, people have one side or the other side.

[2032] They either look at it like it's only a good thing to live your truth and to be trans, like you should get on, hormone blockers as early as you can and that's what that that person that's the secretary of who's that person the secretary of health that used to be a Rachel Levine right that's it is was saying like what if you go you're going through puberty but it's the wrong puberty like what if you're going through puberty and it's pain for you because it's not you like look you're still a child like the idea that for ideology we're going to abandon this thing that we have always known which is that children are very impressionable and very malleable, and that they can be manipulated, and that also they can change their minds.

[2033] And there is a ton of stories about girls who were tomboys when they were younger and just became regular women.

[2034] And then there's also tons of stories about guys who are feminine when they were growing up and they became gay men.

[2035] And some of my gay friends feel like this idea that, like, those people should become trans is probably homophobic.

[2036] And that someone encouraging them to become trans, if that's the case, is homophobic.

[2037] But as a human being, you only have one...

[2038] Sorry.

[2039] I was going to say, because he was saying that, and this is true, that in Iran, I believe, they have, like, a large amount of transgender women.

[2040] And the reason being is that homosexuality is illegal.

[2041] Yes, it's strange.

[2042] So because it's illegal, the way they get around that is some of these men become trans.

[2043] Whoa.

[2044] Which is wild.

[2045] In the Middle East, there's a weird...

[2046] I don't know anything, like, actually.

[2047] But in the Middle East, there's a weird feeling around it.

[2048] Like, if you're walking around...

[2049] because I was in Bahrain and things like that and you'll go out in town and there's like a femininity to like a lot of the guys and you're like oh that's kind of listen there's a certain percentage of guys or gay in all of the world yeah of course it's just a part of being a person and that's what um like a lot of this stuff that came out about the whole like transgender thing with me I'm not defending anything either I don't care um my sister is gay and she married a transgender thing with me I'm not defending anything either I don't care um my sister is gay and she married a transgender gender person and they're both close to my heart and all I know as a human being and a man is to like love them because they're my family of course and that's it like I don't give it like I don't care what anyone is doing I don't care if you support the kid thing or not I just love them and that's what being a human being is is knowing your own perspective and working from there and I didn't realize it was going to start such a battle defending someone that I love so much you know because they're there's such a There's such a funny, amazing person to me that I've spent so much time with, and I've utmost trust in and respect for.

[2050] And that is my picture in my head of a transgender person.

[2051] So I don't have the perspective.

[2052] That's how all people should be looked at as individuals.

[2053] And respected.

[2054] And individuals are what we should concentrate on.

[2055] But the problem is everything's so tribal today.

[2056] Oh, yeah.

[2057] That's why this Bud Light thing went so bonkers.

[2058] Because the people that enjoy Bud Light are completely.

[2059] Completely the opposite tribe, for the most part.

[2060] Well, I think a large number of them.

[2061] Then the tribe that's into following Dylan Mulvaney.

[2062] I've never cared about anything that in my entire life.

[2063] How these fucking people care so much about it?

[2064] And I'm like, dude, you guys are...

[2065] They felt like it was taken over their thing.

[2066] It's like if Fox News went all gay.

[2067] If Fox News just became the gay news.

[2068] And they're like, no. And every anchor was gay.

[2069] And they talked about everything from a gay perspective.

[2070] So much hate, man. You know, like, let's look at gays in Ukraine.

[2071] And, you know, like, no matter what it is, let's look at it from a gay.

[2072] People would go crazy.

[2073] Yeah, I can't imagine waking up with that much on your heart.

[2074] So I think that's what people felt like was happening with the bud light can.

[2075] And what, like, bothered me a lot, it was like, I empathize.

[2076] Like, I see both sides and, like, people think I didn't.

[2077] I was like, oh, man, I get it, man, I understand.

[2078] Both of these realms of people.

[2079] I'm like...

[2080] The problem is people, like, take it serious forever.

[2081] Like, they've been buddlight drinkers for fucking 30 years.

[2082] And they'll die on this hill, man. And all of a sudden, like, now, fuck Bud Light forever.

[2083] Yeah, I don't care, mine.

[2084] And you just see Medello cans everywhere, bro.

[2085] You go to a show, and there's fucking Medello everywhere.

[2086] And you know what makes me mad is I've drank?

[2087] Bud Light's so long, and it's such a great beer.

[2088] And I can't even drink.

[2089] Like, people fucking look at you weird.

[2090] And I'm like, bro, I don't...

[2091] I'm out of all of this.

[2092] I just want to drink a Budweiser, bro.

[2093] I was reading about this bar owner that stopped selling it because people were beating people up that were buying it.

[2094] That's crazy.

[2095] Crazy.

[2096] I can't imagine buying a Bud Light when they just getting decked from the face.

[2097] It's just a beer.

[2098] it's just a beer you fucking leftist you suck yeah everything that's wrong with this fucking country you're supporting that that's how this shit is gonna fucking take over you gotta punish these people look this American flag them all the thing that's going on though is people are getting fired like regular folks that work in breweries are getting fired because the demand is down so the demand is down the production is down the production is down jobs are down and that's an unintended consequence you were talking about that earlier before we got on here And you were saying that they were down, like, the market cap or whatever.

[2099] Let's see what the number is.

[2100] Like, what is...

[2101] I've been checking the stock every day, but I guess I just don't know anything.

[2102] It's more than $20 billion.

[2103] They've lost more than $20 billion.

[2104] You don't smoke cigarettes in here, do you?

[2105] No, yeah, go ahead.

[2106] Sure?

[2107] Yeah, we got a fan.

[2108] It sucks the cigarettes out.

[2109] Because we have...

[2110] We smoke cigars in here.

[2111] Don't smoke, man. Don't smoke, man. They lost a ton of money.

[2112] The point is, it's not good.

[2113] It's real bad.

[2114] And it's who the fuck saw that coming?

[2115] Who thought that people were going to be that.

[2116] upset that's what blows my mind is that so many people touch my looks you don't hear a lot of stories where the the uh like the population can actually control the companies right share price and thing and dude there's a part of me like the humorous part of me where i'm like holy shit good job guys man you fucking killed it but it's so wrong they definitely can if you know if they have a point but light sales down by 27 .1 % i don't even know what i don't even know what started it is what's funny i I just, I saw, dude, I got on Twitter one day just like everyone else and out of context responded to somebody and everyone hated me all of a sudden.

[2117] I was like, holy shit.

[2118] I think what they're saying was the, just find out what the market cap loss was because that was the big, just Google Anheuser -Busch market cap lost $21 billion.

[2119] Google that.

[2120] That's heinous.

[2121] Yeah.

[2122] That is crazy.

[2123] What was it say here?

[2124] But there's no way that like, $27 billion.

[2125] Budlake maker, Anheuser -Busch, in business.

[2126] Bev has lost a whopping $27 billion in market value in the wake of his Star Cross partnership with Dylan Mulvaney, most recently slammed by a 4 % stock drop this week.

[2127] That's June 2nd.

[2128] So that's more than a month ago.

[2129] This is July 4th it says it's $6 billion.

[2130] It's different.

[2131] Is that $60 billion or $6?

[2132] How do you hate something that much, man?

[2133] $6 billion.

[2134] Oh, I was looking at all the zeros with no. How do they have all those zeros?

[2135] with no fucking commas that's rude i was in like an emotional isn't that ridiculous i was in a pretty weird place when all this stuff happened too because there was like a shooting in uh in colorado or something where some dude some some some guy he like ran into a transgender bar or something a gay bar or something and just killed a few people and it was crazy my sister was really emotional about it because she's gay and i when all this isn't that like a non -binary person too i i don't that was the that was the uh tech i I don't know what that was.

[2136] That was a crazy one because that was the son, I think, of a guy who was a former guy, a guy who was an MMA fighter.

[2137] Wait, which one?

[2138] He was also a porn star.

[2139] The bar?

[2140] Yeah.

[2141] Isn't that scary?

[2142] Yeah.

[2143] Terrifying.

[2144] My sister was really, really up in arms up, but she's really emotional about it.

[2145] She's my best friend in the world.

[2146] I would do anything, just like you would probably for, do you have any siblings?

[2147] Yeah, I have a sister.

[2148] And she's my best friend, no matter what.

[2149] That's awesome.

[2150] thick and thin but that's why i i love my sister too she's awesome exactly and you would defend her to the bits right so this is like some just really ill person who went into a bar and started shooting people but i i don't know like what the motivation was but i don't either my sister my sister was saying that like um uh they were under she was under attack and things and i'm like i don't i just didn't like as a as a young guy i just both ends up because she felt like it was an attack on gay people exactly and i i talked with her about it like as just a normal person i'm like is it an attack on your people or is it a is an individualized event that's terrible and and and heartbreaking and things like that and i think it's that because i think that person like i said i think that person was a member of the lbg t i'm pretty sure people are just scared man that's so shitty or something along those lines but either way it's a human being doing something evil to a bunch of other human beings and it's crazy times now crazy man it's wild do you think it was like this when um like when you were younger were things as like polarizing no no what do you think what do you think change things well for one the communication for one social media is exacerbated the gap is like made us more divided i think than ever before because people huddle up in these like echo chambers you think it may think it may think It made access to information better.

[2151] It made people more informed, but it's difficult to navigate those waters and not everybody's going to do it.

[2152] Some people are going to crash on the rocks.

[2153] You know, and I think that it's a new thing that people are trying to navigate.

[2154] I think there's a lot of people that are horribly addicted to it and they're just constantly involved in these interactions with other people.

[2155] And most of them are feuds and disagreements and they're trying to one up each other and trying to like, post facts and dunk on people and so oh always question validity of like um i was questioned validity of uh artists and things now like do you think people are better for it or worse for it when it comes to talent like does the cream rise to the top faster now or does it just make everyone great i don't know how to word this make everyone great how myself uh like um when i started putting videos on twitter and things like that i wouldn't been discovered in the 70s because I would have just been playing guitar around a fire.

[2156] Do you think, and there's, I don't mean this for my own ego.

[2157] I'm just saying in general, do you think people are more talented for it because they have to compete with millions and millions of people now?

[2158] Or do you think people are less talented for it because millions and millions of people are getting famous?

[2159] I think in general, the talented people of today, like every other generation with every other kind of art form and even most sports, the generation.

[2160] as they progress, they have the benefit of learning from the previous generation.

[2161] So we all imitate each other, whether it's like Mike Tyson imitating Jack Dempsey style or Stevie Ray Vaughn imitating Jimmy Hendrick style.

[2162] We all learn from our predecessors.

[2163] And when you have access to all of the predecessors, which is what you have today, you're going to get an insane amount of talented people.

[2164] There's always going to be certain, like the idea that everyone's going to be soft and society's soft and no one today could do that.

[2165] No, there's still people that can do it.

[2166] They're going to rise.

[2167] They're always going to be here.

[2168] There's always going to be exceptional human beings.

[2169] There's people that are driven to do things.

[2170] Just like that guy was driven to climb fucking mountains.

[2171] People are driven to make great music.

[2172] They're driven to write good books or great books.

[2173] They're driven to make great films.

[2174] People are always going to be driven.

[2175] And they have the benefit of having seen, you know, apocalypse now and having listened to the white album.

[2176] And there's so much that.

[2177] people could absorb so much greatness and so much if you were an artist in the 1800s like how much impact did you get from other artists because you wouldn't know that much right did you ever hear Caribbean music did you ever there was no hip hop so you're not here that inspired by other people and now we're all just inspired by each other so we're making better things if you use your brain wisely that's the key if you use your brain wisely you can be constantly inspired and enjoy all these people or if you use your brain like a fool you'll be embroiled in conflict constantly all the time and always fucking arguing yeah it's not good waking up angry and having the least charitable view of every person you talk about got to be the worst life man it's not a good life it's not good for you it's just not and people don't realize it because they you know they feel that they're just ignored or this is the way they get attention or whatever it is it's just a super unhealthy way to interact and I see people doing it on Twitter that are my friends and I'm like bro you're killing yourself like you're giving yourself stress levels from being in these constant Twitter battles you're distracting yourself too I think being in the Navy and things like that it always scared me because we used to have chiefs and things talk about like the Chinese and the Russians and like everyone going to war and things like that and I always would look at like the younger sailors and I'm like oh man sorry or are we going to be okay if anything terrible happens.

[2178] Because these guys aren't paying attention.

[2179] Distracting.

[2180] They're not, they're not like, yeah.

[2181] And I'm not saying that I'm tougher than anyone ever.

[2182] I never will.

[2183] I'm just saying when I joined the Navy, since I had so, like you were saying about artists, you're inspired by the people around you.

[2184] So my dad and my fucking mom and my grandpa, they were all in the Navy and I was inspired to be in the Navy and like fucking fight for my country and shit like that.

[2185] And I wonder now if people are like forgotten country -esque.

[2186] Like that kind of shit.

[2187] Like what the movies are about like that like the wartime movies and things like that there's no great war like fight club said you know uh like i fear that if things were to happen where people have that american spirit like that empire state building spirit that made things like so fucking legendary and like the pictures that you see of those guys climbing on the buildings well that's what the propaganda that we always get that says this how china thinks about us and this is how russia thinks about us this is uh you know like you always get that from a lot of like the hardcore right wingers.

[2188] That's what their perspective is, is that China and Russia are making fun of us while we are arguing about gender wars and whether or not, you know, a trans woman can use the woman's bathroom and, you know, and we're concentrating on these silly things about what is your pronoun.

[2189] And meanwhile, they're trying to make people as manly as possible and they're trying to figure out a way to continue to feminize America.

[2190] That's like the grand that's insane conspiracy but you see dude you see those like Chinese marching videos and things like that and I say that with respect but yeah it's pretty gangster yeah it's crazy they're all like like they're all insane and things like that some severe discipline and there's also like there's there's a rejection of feminization there they did something recently where they like outlawed boy bands whoa what did they do like bt yeah that kind of stuff like k -pop bands I was reading this I'm such I'm the worst at this where I'll like read a headline I go I got enough information I know now man I know it all now I read one paragraph in and then I got distracted by a phone call but a lot of like the you can find that jammy they uh China banned boy bands I found an article for 2021 saying that no it was a real recent thing I know but this is the same thing okay China to ban sissy boy bands I want know who quoted that like who said sissy bands right is that a Chinese interpretation of of a word?

[2191] There's not a guy on TV saying.

[2192] We got a ban the state regulator is calling for a boycott of pop acts that don't conform to macho standards as well as overly entertaining and vulgar internet celebrities and influencers.

[2193] That's crazy.

[2194] Get out now.

[2195] But do you think that's but do you think that's um but do you think that's propaganda?

[2196] It's hard to say.

[2197] I mean we're we don't really know like we're just guessing like just like they're guessing unless you can read Mandarin unless you have boots on the ground over there so you really know what's going on unless you know like exactly what's going on in terms of like how much censorship how much censorship are they involved in really what how about the face ID system how often are they using is that everywhere the social credit score system is that all real like the central bank digital currency is that all real where it's tied to the credit what is this ubiquitous is it through the entire country is it you know what is this like what are we looking at and it's hard to say because I'm sure there's propaganda that comes from both sides I'm sure there's propaganda from them, there's propaganda from us.

[2198] It's hard to say today, like, what exactly is going on, but it seems like they are doing things, at least in some videos that I've watched, where they're, that sort of technology where they were talking about with the ears in that cartoon, they're doing something similar, at least a test version of with children, in classes where they have this head gear on.

[2199] And the headgear is monitoring whether or not the kids are paying attention.

[2200] I was thinking, I'm going to college right now, and I was taking a procter exam the other day, and I was talking with my buddy about it.

[2201] And he was saying that we might sound like idiots.

[2202] It just doesn't exist.

[2203] But they were saying that, like, in the classrooms and, like, China and things like that, or whatever country, they have, like, video cameras that monitor where eyes are going.

[2204] That's what they were talking about in this thing.

[2205] So these kids had these headsets on, and they were monitoring their faces to make sure that they were, looking at their phones and they weren't looking somewhere else and then this head gear they had on it was indicating whether or not they were paying attention that's crazy yeah so i guess there's like a different frequency but doesn't that make you a different person like when you're cheating in class is like fourth grader doesn't that make you resourceful it does a little that's why that's why i believe in like the american like i'm conflicted in my own head because like all these uh this has nothing to what we're talking about but uh like a lot of right wingers and left wingers i feel like they have like the wrong idea of what the American spirit is, but also on this hand, I'm like, America is the best country in the world.

[2206] We got to figure it out where the, we're like, the American spirit is alive and well, and I think we'd be fine if it come, if it came down to it.

[2207] If we fall apart to totalitarianism, it's a giant blow to humanity.

[2208] Because if totalitarian reaches a place that has the most freedom, and the problem with freedom is people are willing to give it up if it suits their side.

[2209] And you're hearing this from people all the time.

[2210] You used to hear from people on the right, but now you're hearing it from people on the left where they're willing to silence people's free speech if they think that what they're saying is dangerous.

[2211] And you can't do that because no one gets to decide what's dangerous and what's not dangerous.

[2212] Because if you allow people to, they keep moving that fucking goalpost, and then they'll silence you.

[2213] And then if you're a liberal and you vote for this, you want this to happen, and then it gets in place and then a Republican wins, and they use that same thing to stifle liberalism.

[2214] It's all competition.

[2215] So this is the kids with the things in their head.

[2216] and that green light is apparently, or one of the different color lights.

[2217] White means you're offline.

[2218] It looks so happy.

[2219] So you're not paying attention.

[2220] This is a black mirror episode.

[2221] Yeah, this is wild.

[2222] And so they use facial recognition to make sure the kids are paying attention.

[2223] Who owns the Wall Street Journal?

[2224] Look at this facial recognition.

[2225] I do not know.

[2226] Look at their facial recognition.

[2227] How wild is that?

[2228] That's what I was talking about with the proctor exam I was taken.

[2229] Yeah.

[2230] Imagine.

[2231] But, dude, there's such a. fine line between like safety and cheating and like is it good or bad well it's not cheating but but it definitely is enforcing concentration so is the if the results are better right right if they get better grades is that worth it to like completely give up freedom like that and to have a fucking headband and then people don't rise to the top either if they're great at least probably still will because like even if you're paying attention you might be you might be just a dumbass You know, whereas some people are paying attention and they have brilliant ideas.

[2232] Like, you're always, I think there's always going to be competition.

[2233] Whether you're focusing or, there's going to be more competition, probably, because more people will be forced to be disciplined, you know, forced to, they'll be forced to do the work as opposed to, like, fucking off and, you know, procrastinating.

[2234] Yeah, but those people do amazing shit, too.

[2235] Like, the shitty guys, man, in class, I was shitty.

[2236] Yeah.

[2237] Man, I never had good, I was always shitty.

[2238] Like, teachers hated me. And if you want good songs.

[2239] You know what I mean?

[2240] Like, what if you do, dude?

[2241] And also, like, I don't have kids yet.

[2242] If your kid came home and was like, hey, I had this headband on today that was making sure I didn't look to the paper next to me. How would you feel about it?

[2243] Not good.

[2244] I would not be into that.

[2245] I would not allow that.

[2246] Exactly.

[2247] I would find another school.

[2248] I just think you have to have a certain amount of freedom, especially coming from a person like me who's a creative person.

[2249] Like, I do, what I do doesn't, it didn't exist when I was a kid.

[2250] It's a new thing, like to be able to podcast or stand -up always existed, but that's also, like, it's a very creative thing.

[2251] It's got to be a new thing now.

[2252] It's got to be able to have freedom.

[2253] But stand -up is, you know, a hundred years old or whatever it is.

[2254] But, like, the most recent versions of it, you can't have that unless you have freedom of expression.

[2255] You can't have it.

[2256] It won't exist.

[2257] And you have to be...

[2258] China's primary school stops using headbands to study people's concentration levels after public outcry.

[2259] Oh, that's good.

[2260] That's good.

[2261] That's good.

[2262] Well, that's good.

[2263] That's public outcry.

[2264] This was four years ago this article got posted.

[2265] Interesting.

[2266] That's weird that the video has been going around even recently.

[2267] Yeah, interesting.

[2268] So the...

[2269] It's just people reciprocating information.

[2270] Well, the outcry probably just keeps continuing because people are terrified of that being the dystopian future that we're all monitored constantly by Big Brother and that we give into it because we want a little bit of comfort, which is a little bit of comfort, which what's fucking scary.

[2271] That's what's scary, that people taking advantage of bad situations.

[2272] And, you know, if there's something breaks out in this country, some kind of a war or something really scary, you have to be very careful of anybody whose solution is to take away your rights to protect you.

[2273] You've got to be very careful of that, because that's what tyrants do, and they've always done things like that, always.

[2274] And they have all the information.

[2275] Yeah, well, that's the other thing that's crazy.

[2276] They have all your data.

[2277] They have everything.

[2278] You have your geotracking location.

[2279] They know where you are.

[2280] From the time you were a kid, for me at least.

[2281] That thing on your fucking iPhone can track you and you can decide to let your friends track you.

[2282] Other people can track you too.

[2283] That's scary, man. That's freaky, bro.

[2284] That's fucking freaky.

[2285] I can't do it.

[2286] I can't do it.

[2287] And every, the internet's weird.

[2288] It's all weird, but so is this artificial intelligence thing that we're talking about.

[2289] And then this UFO thing.

[2290] Like, why is that, why is that, like, in the mainstream description?

[2291] discussion so frequently today.

[2292] You think it's a distraction from someone?

[2293] I don't know, man. Dude, aliens are real, right?

[2294] That was decided?

[2295] I, well, listen, I don't know.

[2296] But I think it's very unlikely that we are the only consciousness in the universe, the only intelligent, conscious communicating being other than like whales and orcas.

[2297] So if that's the case, so if there are things out there, it's very likely there's going to be many more than we can even imagine.

[2298] and it's very likely they're going to be older than us.

[2299] So they're probably to figure things out.

[2300] And if they evolved in a stable atmosphere, in a place that doesn't have meteor shower slamming into it every few thousand years like Earth does, maybe they got way further ahead of us very quickly.

[2301] You know, maybe they didn't have to go through all the brutality.

[2302] Maybe they never had dinosaurs.

[2303] Maybe they didn't have to have an asteroid hit them to kill off the dinosaurs.

[2304] Maybe they're like small lizard intelligence that evolved.

[2305] And they're way more advanced.

[2306] And they're way more advanced.

[2307] Like a million years more advanced.

[2308] But did you see the court, do you saw the court case, right?

[2309] Oh, I'm very closely watching.

[2310] The guy being like, yeah, man, we got aliens in the back, bro.

[2311] He definitely didn't say it like that.

[2312] But he said that there are reports that indicate that there are biological entities that have stored in freezers that are alien, some, whether it's interdimensional or from another planet, something very different.

[2313] And they have crashed vehicles.

[2314] Not just one, but many.

[2315] As many as 12 crashed vehicles.

[2316] And then there is a UFO crash retrieval program, and they believed that this program was probably what they used when they went to Brazil in, was it 96, the Virginia case?

[2317] That long ago?

[2318] There's a case in 1996 that James Fox did a great movie on called The Moment of Contact.

[2319] The Moment of Contact is all about this one town in Brazil where everyone was there when this UFO was a little.

[2320] over their sitting.

[2321] Like everyone has a story.

[2322] Was there evident, like with their videos and things over it?

[2323] Well, there's a guy who died who carried the body to a car.

[2324] He carried the body to a car and they brought it to a hospital and the hospital's like, get that fucking thing out of here and they're like, get that fucking thing out of here.

[2325] This happened?

[2326] Yes.

[2327] It's all documented.

[2328] And then the guy who's a soldier who carried this alien being, that guy died of a horrible bacterial infection that they couldn't cure.

[2329] They didn't know what the fuck it was.

[2330] He died really quickly.

[2331] Within two weeks he was dead.

[2332] No man. And he was a young fit guy.

[2333] No way.

[2334] Yeah.

[2335] So, this scary they have a fucking giant like UFO monument in the middle of the city like when you enter into the city in Virginia there's a huge UFO there and James Fox is like he's filming all this and talking to these people this guy who was the police who's a police officer that investigated the crash when they brought him to the scene they brought him to the woods to the scene of where this thing supposedly crashed the guy breaks down so it's crying I mean he's fucking weeping weeping so either he's the greatest actor in the world why was he weeping because he was there because he remembered that that thing he remembered seeing that crashed ufo he remember seeing this this alien body and these girls they talked to these two girls that ran into one of the things that was still alive and they described it there's an actual statue of it that we have in the the studio or in the um comedy club yo and that's them today that's them when they were little girls and that's them today the whole town saw it man whole town like he he kept interviewing people after people that talked about it that were there it's crazy what's he describing a stick for i wonder what that's about i think he's probably describing the impact how the thing slammed into the ground there was a crazy lightning storm apparently and this thing fell in the crazy lightning storm it got hit and disabled and crashed into the earth and apparently the air force sent something to retrieve it so the air force flew into Virginia, Brazil, and that's all been documented by James Fox, too, that they did send a plane there to go retrieve this thing.

[2336] And now that this guy's come forward, and then the government is allowing him to say it.

[2337] I was about to ask.

[2338] Yeah, so the government is allowing this guy to say they have a retrieval project.

[2339] And this is all like they're allowing him to say these things.

[2340] I wonder why?

[2341] Well, he only has to, he only can stay within the lines.

[2342] Like, and you saw that during the testimony.

[2343] There was multiple questions.

[2344] Yes, there's multiple questions they had where He said, I can't answer that.

[2345] I can answer it.

[2346] What is it called in a skiff?

[2347] Is that how they say it?

[2348] So a skiff is like the way I've been explained to me, make sure this is right.

[2349] It's like a completely soundproof room that has no electronics.

[2350] Okay, here it is.

[2351] A sensitive compartmentalized information facility.

[2352] It's an ultra -secure room where officials and government contractors take extraordinary precautions to review highly classified information.

[2353] So they go into this like very, very protected room and then they'll break out.

[2354] these laptops and they'll break out these these photographs and videos and they'll show them like what these things are they'll show the biological entities they'll show them the crashed UFOs they'll show them the high resolution videos of these things hovering over military bases they'll show them all the reports of them shutting down all the nuclear systems it's wild shit if it's true but it doesn't feel true why would it not feel true I don't know, because maybe if aliens are real, maybe if this disclosure is so real, maybe it's so mind -blowing that it just feels like nonsense to me. But something about it just feels a little fake.

[2355] You said the UFO thing happened in 96?

[2356] I think the Virginia Brazil one was 1996, yeah.

[2357] If it's been around for that long, why is it just now?

[2358] Well, there's Roswell, New Mexico.

[2359] It was 1947.

[2360] The Roswell, New Mexico crash was on the front cover of the Roswell Daily record.

[2361] I have it framed.

[2362] It's the front cover of the Roswell Daily record.

[2363] They talk about a flying saucer that crashed in a ranch.

[2364] And so these people or these military people who were there reported initially, who is the guy?

[2365] Like, pull up the Roswell story.

[2366] This is a crazy story.

[2367] So that was on the front page of the Roswell Daily record.

[2368] RAAF captures flying saucer on ranch in Roswell region.

[2369] no details of flying disc are revealed and then they talk about the people who are involved it's really difficult to read the print in this image of it someone has to approve of this getting printed and things like that so I feel like if the next day then the next day they said oh it was just a weather balloon sorry I made a mistake and so they had this press conference where they posed with these pieces of aluminum foil and like very clear weather balloon the problem is all the eyewitnesses have a very different account they talk about this kind of metal that you could crumple up in your hand.

[2370] It was light as a paper.

[2371] And then you would open it, it would go right back to its original form.

[2372] They talk about these pieces of metal that were impossibly strong but impossibly light.

[2373] And they had some kind of writing on them that looked like Egyptian hieroglyphs or some kind of ancient, some kind of symbols on it that they didn't know what the fuck they were.

[2374] They looked very alien.

[2375] And they talk about biological entities that were in the crash that they transported to this funeral home and they there's this documentation of them making these small coffins and there's a lot of weird shit where people that were there talked about seeing the bodies there's multiple versions of the same story now it could be just nonsense it could be like a folklore thing that people just started talking about and everybody ran with it and then it becomes like a a tourist trap like people go to roswell to you know the fucking that'd be crazy they do economic boosts It is an economic booster.

[2376] UFO freaks go to Roswell, New Mexico every year.

[2377] Do you ever think you're going to be that old person in those old videos that you think like when you used to watch about aliens, they'd be like, man, I saw all the saucer in my backyard, you know what I mean?

[2378] I hope so.

[2379] Like in the future, you're just the guy on the video, not you either.

[2380] I'm just saying...

[2381] Imagine if that is you.

[2382] Like, imagine if you're on tour and you guys are out in the middle of nowhere and you're out of fucking truck stop.

[2383] You pull over to take a leak and you step outside and there's a fucking UFO Oh, I've seen it.

[2384] You have?

[2385] Taking shrooms, yeah.

[2386] Ooh.

[2387] Yeah, walked outside, I saw a UFO.

[2388] Probably really.

[2389] You just probably can't see him.

[2390] Exactly.

[2391] The shrooms reveal them.

[2392] No way.

[2393] That's crazy.

[2394] Well, it might be...

[2395] It's getting more and more real now.

[2396] It's freaking me the funny.

[2397] It might be more complicated than we're thinking about...

[2398] Interstellar stuff?

[2399] Not just interstellar, but interdimensional.

[2400] And what does that really mean?

[2401] What does that mean?

[2402] And maybe there's certain times where we have access, we don't know how to do it, like we can't just go there, but maybe there's an opening and maybe they have access to us.

[2403] Maybe they can create these openings and just appear.

[2404] Maybe they're from something that is so different than what we're experiencing here on Earth that we can't even understand what the fuck they're talking.

[2405] There might be a million years more advanced than us in a completely different dimension and they figure out a way to visit.

[2406] And they can figure out a way to just, just show up and hover and move around things.

[2407] Look, if we can send a probe to Mars and Elon can shoot a Tesla into space, who the fuck knows what some insanely advanced civilization that has no, like, warlike primate behavior like we do?

[2408] Like, maybe they've completely evolved past that.

[2409] Maybe they have no jealousy and rage and envy.

[2410] Maybe they've engineered negative emotions out and maybe they read minds.

[2411] And maybe these things are just insanely advanced.

[2412] And it's their job to help usher in other civilizations into the next stage of existence, which would be an existence without war and violence, an existence where human beings sort of achieve almost a hive mind.

[2413] That makes the whole God conversation crazy.

[2414] Well, God might be the universe.

[2415] Instead of thinking that the universe created God, the universe might be God.

[2416] It might be conscious.

[2417] The whole thing might be conscious.

[2418] Why not?

[2419] When I look around, though, here's my thing.

[2420] Sometimes when I'm like running or like hiking or I'm on the lake or I'm playing a show and everyone's singing back to me or I feel a certain way towards someone or whatever, those moments are like too.

[2421] grand and like beautiful to like not believe in god for me you know what I mean you ever feel like that you ever been on a mountaintop and you're like oh man this is crazy I believe in something I think the problem that people have is the word and when you say God people automatically think of this very rigid organized religion perspective that's based on ancient scripture yeah it's ruined it for a lot of people yeah whether it's the god of you know whatever religion you choose to believe in God.

[2422] There's a bunch of different religions, a lot of them believe in God, right?

[2423] But if you don't want to think that there's something going on, something like insanely complex that's constantly moving, at least in our lives and our existence, constantly moving in this ever -evolving direction, why?

[2424] Is it possible that this is how the, you know, universe creates more universes and the universe creates new things and these things become more and more advanced and everything continues to always advance just like we were talking about it doing with music and movies maybe it's how it does it with planets maybe it's how it does it with everything like keep things constantly get better and the beings get better at manipulating reality they get better at creating black holes and being able to pass through wormholes and being able to manipulate space time.

[2425] How did you get to that perspective if you're from like Boston and things like that?

[2426] Did you grow up in the Catholic Church?

[2427] Well, I was Catholic Church when I was a kid, did Catholic school for first grade.

[2428] But then, you know, we got out of it.

[2429] I was a horrible experience.

[2430] Not good.

[2431] And then I kind of fell out of religion as a young kid because my Catholic school experience was so bad.

[2432] It's like a really mean nun who taught first grade.

[2433] But it was also a good lesson.

[2434] that like there's people like that in the world because I never met anybody like that before.

[2435] Religiously mean like about God and things like that?

[2436] Everybody in my life was nice to me. I was a little kid.

[2437] So everybody's nice to me. My grandparents are nice.

[2438] My uncles are nice.

[2439] Everyone's nice.

[2440] And then all of a sudden you're in the school where there's none is a cunt.

[2441] And I was like, oh, I don't know there's people like this out there.

[2442] Like this is crazy.

[2443] I didn't know there's going to people but just mean to you for no reason.

[2444] Not yell at you if you did something wrong.

[2445] I experienced that.

[2446] Every kid does.

[2447] But mean to you.

[2448] Like corporal punishment, like scaring you, telling you're going to, oh yeah, she hit people.

[2449] Rotten hell and stuff like that.

[2450] But tell you're going to make, I'm going to make you sit on a nail in the closet.

[2451] You're not going to be able to go home.

[2452] You're never going to see your parents again.

[2453] Like crazy shit.

[2454] See, growing up I had the, like, religion and things was so nice to me. Because I grew up like in a Baptist church and everyone was like loving and shit.

[2455] Yeah, there's something about that Catholic guilt.

[2456] You know, there's great.

[2457] It's you.

[2458] It's weird.

[2459] I've been around.

[2460] I'm not saying Catholicism is weird, but it's, it is a weird.

[2461] There's a strict.

[2462] to it that makes you feel unwelcomed yeah and there's a lot of these uh priests they like to drink which is insane they like to get fucked up this this priest gave my grandmother her uh you know her last rights and uh he kept saying her name wrong and we people had to correct them like her name was josephine he was saying geraldine left behind a great family he's like just josephine her name is josephine he was just going through the motions and i remember seeing him before they started the thing and looking in his face and thinking like this guy is drunk a lot like he had those gin blossoms all over his nose and his face like when he was just talking to people and everything?

[2463] When he was getting ready and setting up I was looking at his face like wow this guy looks super unhealthy.

[2464] Communion wine baby yeah well not just communion wine I'm sure they're getting drunk I mean imagine that's not allowed right I don't know is it allowed but imagine your occupation does not ever allow you to be in love that it makes me did you see that Mark Wahlberg movie which one where he like um he he gets paralyzed he gets paralyzed and he just wants to be a priest no I didn't see that one oh my goodness you gotta watch it I forgot Father Stu Father Stu you have to watch it it's so good all he wants to do is be a priest and he there's like a there's a girl in it and there's some big actress actresses and actors in it and he like falls in love with her I don't even remember what happens but he gets paralyzed and things and I'm not gonna ruin that movie either but it's crazy is a new movie I think so.

[2465] It came out with in the last year, I think.

[2466] There's so many movies out.

[2467] It's impossible to keep up.

[2468] I got this crazy story.

[2469] I was in Chicago.

[2470] It involves, like, the church that I grew up in and things like that.

[2471] When I was a kid, like 13 and 14 years old, we used to go on all these mission trips, like, as a church.

[2472] And we used to go to Chicago to this place called Maywood, and we would help all these kids out and, like, run a VBS.

[2473] And there was nothing pretentious or weird about it.

[2474] We would just go and, like, play kickball with kids and, like, talk about God and Jesus and things.

[2475] and it was this park in Chicago that we would always go to like Maywood Park and it's kind of the rougher side of Chicago but like being a kid I was naive to that so I didn't know so it's beautiful to think about that I had no idea that it was like the rougher part of town it was just fun for us and um we went back to Chicago two weeks ago to play the windy city smokeout and I was there and I was there for three days so I didn't really have anything to do and one of the days I was off I um I wanted to go to that park that I went to when I was 13 so it's been like 17 years or 15 years since I'd been there and I haven't talked to the pastors and things that I had like we had pastors growing up I don't know about Catholicism but they're just called pastors like the guys who are over you and um on the way there I had no idea where I was going I didn't even remember where this park was in Maywood Chicago I didn't know where Maywood was so I just typed in Maywood into the Uber app and my it was so beautiful man like the Uber started driving me out there and I was riding out there and I was like where is this park I have no idea And there was just, the story's all over the place, sorry.

[2476] But when we used to go on that mission trip, Chicago had been flooded really terribly.

[2477] And there was this lady named Miss Barnes, who I had, who I had, like, help clean out her house when it had flooded really bad.

[2478] And she'd written me letters while I was in the Navy, like, all, like letters throughout the years.

[2479] And I would write her back and things like that, and I would send them back and forth.

[2480] One day I sent her a letter, and it was sent back to the sender because she had passed away.

[2481] and I had known when I saw the damn like back to cinder thing so I'm on my way to this old church that we used to do these missions out of and I'm calling my old youth pastors and I'm like hey where's this where's this park at where's this church at and finally I get in touch with this guy named John who lives in Maywood and he sent me about all the addresses to like the park and the house and everything and I go out there and it's been 15 years and I'm sitting in this park and it's a Friday at like 6 p .m and when we used to go out there they used to just be all these kids and and things like that playing kickball and like in the basketball in the basketball courts and at the park and like there was an American flag hanging up and stuff and I went out there and there was nobody and it was completely desolate it was 5 p .m. on a Friday in the summertime and I was just sitting on the I was sitting on the bleachers and I was looking around I was like man this has got to mean something it's got to mean something terrible or crazy like are people just inside now do people just hang out inside and then I went to the house that she had lived in Miss Barnes the one that I'd clean out from the flood and no one was there and this john guy who i'd got in contact with had bought her house had purchased her house like the mission guy and that's like those are the reasons why i believe in god because that was crazy like i was driving out there and i had no idea where i was going what i was doing and it turns out the guy i talked to was the guy who had purchased miss barnes's house who i had written letters to all those years and i'd been to that park and everything meant you ever like go back to somewhere you like you spent time as as a kid.

[2482] Oh, yeah.

[2483] Isn't it weird?

[2484] It's not freak me out a lot.

[2485] I was listening to music and I was walking around and I remembered like stepping in the same places.

[2486] Well, it was weird is for me when I went back to the town.

[2487] It was just reminded me going to church and things like that.

[2488] Not at all.

[2489] When I was a kid and I went back to my town where I grew up, what was weird was like I had these memories that were just basically like placeholder memories.

[2490] They were like, like framework where I knew the specifics of stuff.

[2491] but I didn't really have a memory of it until I went there.

[2492] And then all of a sudden, like, everything filled in.

[2493] That's what freak me out.

[2494] I was at the house and things like that.

[2495] And I was walking around.

[2496] I was like, oh, my God, I remember lifting this here and, like, kicking this ball here.

[2497] Yeah, it fills in.

[2498] That's, like, the nostalgia of all that shit is nuts, man. I'm not even that, I'm not even that old.

[2499] You know what I mean?

[2500] I'm not like.

[2501] Yeah, but things from your childhood, like, that's a long -ass time ago.

[2502] When, you know, you think of how much different you are from when you were a kid.

[2503] That dimensionally freaks me out.

[2504] Yeah, it should.

[2505] I was talking about it last night, man. I was in this fucking, dude, I was in this fucking kitty pool in this yard, and I was, like, talking to someone about it.

[2506] I was like, the reality of then is the same as the reality of now, but it's all so different and weird.

[2507] That's got to be some weird dimensional thing, man, where it's like, that existed too.

[2508] Like, each day is the same?

[2509] Yeah.

[2510] And you think about it, and, like, is your nostalgia, like, a fucking...

[2511] What are your memories, man?

[2512] Like, what is this?

[2513] Like, how does that mean less than the present?

[2514] Well, they're definitely shaky.

[2515] You know, we all know.

[2516] our memories are shaky unless we're like even if things like your songs like stuff you wrote like you have to concentrate on them right you're you wrote them and sometimes you can forget the words yeah of like memory's weird and memory of like specific things from the past is always slippery until you're there again you're like oh it really freaked me out it really freaked me out to be sitting there because i remember like my dad with hair and shit you know what i'm saying and it was like yeah i called my dad when i was there and i was like man this is nuts like do you remember your friends they're in high school and they see them now and they're all grown up and you're like what the fuck and they're all like engaged and having kids and shit and you're like wait this came out of you what's going on i remember you throwing a tequila bottle at coach craigs you know what i'm saying like and now a sudden they have kids of their own you're like whoa this is wild and some of them you're like oh yeah this is wild man this is wild and um damn it's fascinating it's becoming an adult human being is fascinating and then as you're becoming an adult human being more and more other people are becoming adult human beings they have a different way of living their life than you do and that's why like every generation looks at the new generation oh these fucking kids today and everyone says it and I've been feeling it so vividly what scares me the most about growing up is having songs it's got to freak you out too about having podcasts you ever feel like you're gonna look like having all these songs from the time I was 22 to now sometimes I'm like I've made peace with it it's just what I do I have conversations to people like my kids are going to hear it one day and be like my kids listen to my podcast before specific ones but especially people that they like on it artists that they like they'll listen to this one i'm like like your most vulnerable moments you know your kids sure yeah that's that's beautiful that man's cool it's you know we're fucking talking about aliens man that's crazy well sorry to your kids that's a fascinating thing to talk about yeah it's kids talk about it too it is everybody does it's one of those things where it's like if it's true it's real that the whole map that we have of reality is very different now these things really are visiting and they really are these super sophisticated creatures that have been here from the beginning they have been around as long as the earth's been around they've been visiting and checking in on us it'll change the trajectory of the entire universe like it'll it'll like that's why I brought God up earlier and that's why I went into that fucking Chicago story but like it'll change how people have lived their lives for the last 600 years which is scary man that's gotta do something terrible is it though is it scary or is it good Is it just evolution?

[2517] Or is it just is.

[2518] Is it just is?

[2519] It just is life.

[2520] This is life.

[2521] This is what it is.

[2522] Like you can just decide you wish we're living in 1967 when you had a fucking call on a phone that was...

[2523] Do you ever meditate?

[2524] Sure.

[2525] Really?

[2526] Yeah.

[2527] All the time.

[2528] Is it out of just like purely...

[2529] I do it when I want to clear my thoughts.

[2530] I do it in the sauna because it's a good way to concentrate why I'm cooking myself.

[2531] Yeah.

[2532] I've tried to before.

[2533] Sorry.

[2534] The way you said that, like everything just...

[2535] isn't that the thing isn't that what meditating is it's like everything is coming and going for some people for some people's just a chance at stillness or attempt at stillness you know but it is it it is if the aliens are real we're not going to be able to change it because we don't like it yeah true just have to deal with it like you just have to deal with it let's look world the war stuff we live in fascinating times I wonder people isn't that like a curse may you live in fascinating times who said that isn't that I think that I think think that was like an ancient curse people have had to have talked about this forever though oh yeah like forever you know like that's why i get freaked out by conversations like this i'm like man are we just no because this is a different time i mean this is a time where you're having congressional disclosure yeah this is the time where people who are on the inside are being allowed to talk about these things may you live in interesting times the chinese curse would say may he live in interesting times that's a chinese curse interesting that's insane there you go and we definitely live in interesting times we're just writing songs man aliens exist and I was writing song and just live in life listen man I think we did like three hours oh no shit yeah time flew by wow yeah kick me out my friend that's crazy it was awesome wow this is a pleasure and uh I really appreciate you coming in it's been fun hanging out with you I loved your show and I'm a fan and I appreciate everything you do man there's a lot thank you Joe I appreciate it Let's go.

[2536] All right.

[2537] Oh, yeah, man. Bye, everybody.

[2538] Have good evening.