#679 - Barry Crimmins & Bobcat Goldthwait

[0] Right, ladies and gentlemen, Bobcat Goldweight, better known as Bob.

[1] Bob's here, and Barry Crimmons, thank you very much for coming.

[2] I really, really appreciate it.

[3] Hey, Joe, it's great to be here.

[4] Where are the drugs?

[5] We got a lot of stuff.

[6] But I'm mostly a pot guy, so if you want that, we got that.

[7] But we got plenty of alcohol.

[8] I know you enjoy that, sir.

[9] When I was a kid, when I first started doing stand -up, you would go on stage and you would pull a Budweiser out of your blazer.

[10] That was part of your jazz.

[11] That was the old open where I'd walk out, spill up and a cigarette, and then pull a you're out and take a big chug of it and say kind of a health nut that was the open you know it was a very fortuitous um just amazing situation to be starting out stand up in 1988 in boston there's such an incredible spot to be in just total dumb luck where i decided to do an open mic night dumb luck got me there yeah dumb luck got you there but for folks who don't know um you were one of the reasons why Boston became what it was and you and the community that you sort of established at the Ding Ho was the legendary community.

[12] When I came along, it was already gone, right?

[13] When did it end?

[14] I think around 83, 84, something like that.

[15] And then I went to stitches and tried to maintain there.

[16] But then, you know, I mainly became a comedy producer to get stage time.

[17] And new other comics needed stage time and also new comics needed to be treated like someone when they walked into a joint because I'd been around the country and been treated like shit you stand in line and you're 12 hours since you got in line and you get on for three minutes and then they tell you you can't come back for three weeks and it's like well I fucking hitchhiked here and you know I was camping out to do comedy and now I can come back in three weeks thanks and it's some gruff shithead with a clipboard who's nasty so anybody that walked in the ding I tried to make sure they were treated well and given a fair chance and the thoughts that when we put our shows together, people who feel like there's somebody, you're going to act like there's somebody, and they're going to do a good job.

[18] And, you know, I think the proof is in the remarkable amount of great talent that came out of there.

[19] Phenomenal amount.

[20] I mean, it's spawned.

[21] Joe Iosa.

[22] No, I'm just naming the open mic comedians.

[23] All the greats.

[24] He's still remember?

[25] Lenny the loser.

[26] Yeah, Lenny the loser.

[27] Charlie Gallo.

[28] Joe I owes you a nickel.

[29] Oh, yeah.

[30] And I remember...

[31] He used to pump his arms when he taught, when he did his acting, he was like, you know, like, it was like...

[32] But he's doing his act, and the crowd was kind of, there was this really terrible thing where the crowd...

[33] He's probably listening.

[34] How did you?

[35] I doubt it.

[36] But so, so the crowd did this really evil thing one night, Barry's hosting this open mic.

[37] I don't know if you remember this.

[38] And then they start laughing at him instead of with him, and he thinks he's killing, and the crowd's going.

[39] It's very evil and very dada.

[40] So he's having the set of his life, not knowing that they're making fun of him.

[41] Barry is upset by this.

[42] And he's like, he walks out on stage.

[43] He goes, I know what you're doing.

[44] Now just stop it.

[45] It's not nice.

[46] Well, because I know they would keep up.

[47] And so IOS is like, Barry, get off the stage.

[48] It's because it's the first time.

[49] And it gets to the point where Barry is, Barry's laying on the stage going, all right, John.

[50] Tell your last joke ever.

[51] at the day home.

[52] Tell your last joke ever.

[53] Yeah, so there was...

[54] Well, the problem with those kind of sets is when they get those laughs, those guys are going to stay in the business like four extra years just based on that one night.

[55] Because that one set.

[56] Yeah.

[57] There was a set at the comedy store where Joey Diaz went behind the stage.

[58] There's a curtain in the original room at the comedy store, and there's this woman who was on stage who's just...

[59] Whatever.

[60] She doesn't have the gene.

[61] It just doesn't exist.

[62] But she kept trying.

[63] She was always there, and it was one of those things, but she would go on stage, like midnight.

[64] or something like that, and she would mostly clear the room.

[65] But she's on stage, and Joey goes backstage behind the curtain, and when she hits her punchlines, he would open the curtain up, and his pants would be down.

[66] So his dick of balls would be hanging out.

[67] And, you know, Joey's 300 pounds.

[68] He's got this giant gut, and it's hilarious.

[69] So every time she hits her punchline, he opens the curtain, and she's smashing it.

[70] And as the set goes on, she gets more and more confident.

[71] Because she starts to strut a little bit, And she starts to think, finally an audience gets my humor.

[72] And she's fucking killing.

[73] I mean, every time.

[74] And the next time she went on stage, she bombed.

[75] And she chastised the audience, telling them that this stuff killed last week.

[76] And we were like, fuck, she'll never know.

[77] Did she ever catch on?

[78] Did anyone ever tell it?

[79] I don't believe so.

[80] As far as I know, no. And if you told her, she would never believe you anyway.

[81] She'd just put it in the folder in the back of her head.

[82] Well, that's the thing, you know, that.

[83] That same thing that keeps us going.

[84] What is that?

[85] You know, and there's folks that never done well and they keep going.

[86] Well, that was that open mic night thing where people would get the phantom laughs.

[87] People would hear phantom laughs.

[88] That was pretty good.

[89] You're like, well, even to this day, and this is the thing that kills me. These kids, you know, they find out about you and they want to, and they, oh, thanks for you did for comedy.

[90] Here, I'm going to send you my latest set.

[91] And it's them bombing.

[92] in front of four people in a fucking pizza shop, and they say, what do you think of this?

[93] I said, I think whatever money you have used to buy this up and destroy it.

[94] Are you fucking crazy?

[95] This sucks.

[96] And you have immortalized it.

[97] You know, don't put shitty sets on, you know, and by the way, kids, when you walk on the stage and no one knows who the fuck you are, how about opening with a joke instead of going, hi, how are you?

[98] You're really like that golden moment when you can fucking take the stage.

[99] and get somewhere with them, like, wow, how did you think of that opening?

[100] How about saying something funny and that's maybe pertinent to where you are that shows you're on the same planet as the audience, but you're the funny guy?

[101] That's why you're walking on the stage, just a suggestion.

[102] Well, Boston has a very low tolerance for fucking meandering on stage.

[103] Yeah, there was no, yeah.

[104] You didn't have a grace period as soon as he came out.

[105] I think this is the best place to develop because of that, because you had to come out guns blazing.

[106] And you would learn everything else afterwards, but you had to get them.

[107] And if you lost them, like, very few people would start bombing in Boston and recover.

[108] Like, there was very little recovery out.

[109] It's like, if you got lit on fire in the moments of your open moments of your set.

[110] I mean, I would do it for fun sometimes.

[111] Just to see, like, let's see what pit we can get out of today.

[112] There'd be a cut man in the corner.

[113] Rich page.

[114] I think I did that subconsciously, but it was just shitty planning.

[115] You know, that's what it turned out to be.

[116] Yeah, I wasn't like, that was going poorly, and then he really pulled it up.

[117] It doesn't happen.

[118] It never happens.

[119] Not in Boston.

[120] Man, am I enjoying this interview after, you know, two straight weeks of, like, can we get up and talk about yourself all day?

[121] Well, also, we were talking, it's, you know, the nature of the movie.

[122] It's, it's, it's...

[123] Oh, I've done it.

[124] I've led us into it.

[125] It's all about...

[126] Fucking moron.

[127] Don't worry about it.

[128] We'll be fine.

[129] Well, wait, but I can give you an example.

[130] So, you know, the movie...

[131] It's called Call Me Lucky.

[132] I watch you, like, oh.

[133] Uh -oh.

[134] Get him some paper towels, Jim's Johnny.

[135] No worries.

[136] There you go.

[137] Sorry.

[138] So, yeah.

[139] A little reminder of my visit, Joe.

[140] Well, it's fresh beer.

[141] It's what happens.

[142] So, um.

[143] Yeah, so call me lucky.

[144] He really doesn't want to talk about it.

[145] He's pouring beer all over the studio.

[146] We don't have to?

[147] We can get to it eventually.

[148] I can tell you examples of what we're talking.

[149] We're doing those satellite things and it's like, you're talking to Tate and Tate and T -Bag in El Paso.

[150] Tate and Tee bag again.

[151] And so he's like, you know, because it's, you know, the movie deals with Barry talking and dealing with and surviving.

[152] Childhood rapes, you know, when he was four.

[153] And you could tell these guys are like, well, we talk about rape, but, you know, we're never serious, you know.

[154] It's really creepy.

[155] Fucking idiots.

[156] It was the worst.

[157] Some people are just not, they just, whatever, they can't.

[158] They're just not capable.

[159] They're just not capable of the morning.

[160] Yeah.

[161] navigate anything that's complicated or serious or nuanced or really sensitive emotionally it's just some people just don't have the capacity and they they shouldn't you know Ryan Seacrest okay if you're doing a fucking interview with Ryan Seacrest it's great if you want to tell what color you like yeah what's your favorite color line three this most really good but sometimes blue I it's perfect for that I'm I'm just kind of an awe of someone like him with an empire because I mean but I don't know what he does I mean true I'm not even being negative he found a hum he found a hum that secretaries tune into it's like a whistle that dogs can hear and he hit that hum it's like a drone yeah it never goes too high it never goes too low and he never says fuck this world what are we doing with our never he's never yeah he's not threatening to old ladies and little girls I listen to his radio show in awe yeah radio show's amazing really for all the wrong reasons I mean he's not a bad guy, by the way.

[162] I've met him, did his old show.

[163] He has to be.

[164] He's just, he's just, he's, he's to say that there'd be a comic.

[165] People are, ah, he's a nice guy.

[166] And he'd be like, yeah, he has to be.

[167] I'm funny.

[168] I can afford to be an asshole.

[169] But he's got that market covered, that bland white guy always wears a suit market cornered.

[170] You know, he just knows how to nail it.

[171] It doesn't bother me. He doesn't, because, you know, I did Godless, American people.

[172] I think, like, I hate, like, the American Idol and all that stuff.

[173] I didn't really, I never really cared about it, you know.

[174] God bless America.

[175] Yeah.

[176] Your movie was fucking awesome.

[177] Oh, thanks, thanks.

[178] And ruthless and just ridiculous.

[179] I watched it on a plane, and there's one point in time.

[180] I had to fucking, like, do this with my earphones.

[181] You go, fucking, jeez, and then go right by the kid.

[182] Like, literally, I took the earphones off to talk to you.

[183] Wait until this one hits the planes.

[184] Yeah, well, I saw it.

[185] I saw it last night.

[186] I like you, like, leaning, someone leaning out.

[187] over and there's a baby getting shot with a shotgun.

[188] It's a crazy fucking movie.

[189] But you, you know, you had a point and you went for it.

[190] I like to say it's a violent movie about kindness, you know?

[191] It really is.

[192] I mean, that's all that Joel's character wants is people to act right.

[193] Right, yeah.

[194] And it's not, you know, I don't even agree with, I agree with about 90 % of the things that he's mad about, but, you know, because that clearly wouldn't work.

[195] It's not a good plan.

[196] Yeah.

[197] Yeah.

[198] When I came up in Boston, what I was going to say, when I was talking about you getting on stage with the beer bottles, you had this thing that you represented when you would go on stage.

[199] This is a guy who stood for something, you know, and a lot of people didn't, you know, and I didn't.

[200] We were all just kids.

[201] Well, you're finding your way on the stage first.

[202] I was one of those kids at first, too.

[203] I'm sure.

[204] I mean, no need to qualify it, but it was, there was a very distinctive.

[205] feeling, a very distinct feeling when you got on stage.

[206] Like, this is a, this is a serious person.

[207] This is a guy who was a stand -up comedian, a very funny person, but this a guy stands for shit the way it's, this is, this is what's right, and this is what's wrong.

[208] And when shit's wrong, you pointed out.

[209] And then, you know, I followed your career through the time you did that, it was a cassette at the time, I think, with Randy Credico, and who else was on it with you?

[210] Which one?

[211] There was, you guys had did the whole political series.

[212] Yeah.

[213] Oh, Kretico Tingle went.

[214] Tingle, right.

[215] Was it just you three?

[216] No, there were several other people.

[217] Bev Mickens, and I'm blanking, only because I, you know.

[218] Yeah, you've done so much.

[219] I'm like, Barry, where are you?

[220] I'm going to Nicaragua.

[221] I'm just do comedy.

[222] I'm like, who books that?

[223] Boston comedy?

[224] Is that a Barry cat's gig?

[225] No, it's not a cat's gig.

[226] It was a Sandinista gig, actually.

[227] Billy Downs involved in that?

[228] No, no, you know, we got paid.

[229] I always love Billy.

[230] But, you know, to me, and I think, you know, it was reflective of the way guys were speaking about you in the documentary.

[231] That's, you know, you were an important part of that comedy community because you were, you know, I think comedy communities are only as strong as the strongest link.

[232] You know, you can say they're only as weak as the weakest link, but not really in comedy because there's always going to be open micers.

[233] And they essentially, there's a weird thing like you're not a comic until you're getting paid, but.

[234] kind of they're all comics yeah we all were open micers and aspiring whatever you know whatever distinction you want to put in the beginning of it but the strongest member of the community is really where the community lies and that's where that's where the standards are set and so you were a very very important guy to me when I was coming up you know that means a lot it means a lot to me I wasn't thinking I mean I mean those thoughts I didn't really crystallized So I was just trying to do what was right.

[235] And I was trying to do what I wanted to be in the situation that, you know, I wanted to provide the situation that I wanted to be in myself.

[236] And I was immediately rewarded for that with who came in and the blossoming of all that talent.

[237] It worked.

[238] It was great.

[239] And we had a really nice, we had a really nice run.

[240] Sometimes, like, I don't want to, you know, we've done enough dingho reunions.

[241] It's like going to your little league reunion.

[242] Well, we're a really good team, but we didn't even win the fucking championship, you know.

[243] But it's great seeing all those people now and then and whatever.

[244] But we really, you know, we really did it together.

[245] It was just a matter of just providing this sort of one opportunity.

[246] And then as far as I did the same thing I wanted everybody else to do.

[247] I developed at what I was good at.

[248] What I was good at was talking about what was going on?

[249] What was your first time meeting him?

[250] Were you nervous?

[251] I never met him.

[252] Did you see him or did you hear about him?

[253] I got the fuck out of the way.

[254] I didn't want him to see my act.

[255] I met you Maybe Hi What's all Like Joe I knew you And I knew what you were doing And I liked you And I would like That's not That's not It never ended I'm on your show And I'm either whether If I You know And I know I get to tell the truth Here I knew what you were doing And I saw the spark There And then I heard What else you were doing And I thought Oh Now Joe's found And you know Exactly what I'm talking Because you fucking Do it Brother You do it You found What you're supposed to be Talking about You found What you're supposed to be illuminating people about and then you found a way to become tremendous at it.

[256] I couldn't be happier that I played a little role in providing helping to create stage time in a scene somewhere where somebody like you came out of so thanks man you didn't thank you you definitely did but that fear you were talking about never went away I would have an HBO special and the phone would be ringing and I go that's fucking criments like you would always you would actually say you would like go Hey, you made a really good point here.

[257] Why the fuck you pick it on Bruce Willis?

[258] He's just an actor.

[259] And it was just like going down the line and I go, okay.

[260] It would be like back and forth.

[261] Well, I felt that last night when he came up to me after my set.

[262] I was like, thank God I didn't know he was in the room while I was up there.

[263] Oh, Jesus Christ.

[264] Yeah.

[265] You came up right when I got offstage, I was like, whoa.

[266] I dodge that bullet.

[267] Every movie I make, too.

[268] I'm like, oh, I hope he likes this.

[269] Oh, man. I really liked a new one.

[270] Now, when did you know, when did you find out about his...

[271] By the way, did you see...

[272] We're doing this live on the air.

[273] Did you see the New Yorker piece today?

[274] Holy fucking shit, is it a Valentine?

[275] The New Yorker, and not a tiny piece.

[276] I'm thinking if you get a little blurb in the New Yorker, you're doing it.

[277] Anyway, so I'm a pretty good mood.

[278] I just wish I had my kettle drum with me so I could play it.

[279] Dun -Din -Din -Dond, Dund, D -Don, D -Don, D -Don, New Yorker.

[280] He went to kettle drum.

[281] nice.

[282] Like Henny Youngman.

[283] Oh, okay.

[284] Good evening.

[285] Don, ding, don't.

[286] I was thinking like those Jamaican guys, but that's like a kettle drum.

[287] Yeah, that's tunable.

[288] Dindon.

[289] Dendon Don, don't.

[290] That would be a nice surprise for me. Someone could surprise me with the, you know, somebody maybe.

[291] Maybe, maybe.

[292] We never know.

[293] Depending if we do well in a word season.

[294] Dund.

[295] So you were saying what?

[296] When did you find out about the traumatic history?

[297] When did you find out about the childhood rape, which was a major part of the...

[298] You didn't reveal it until about an hour into the film, plus...

[299] The idea isn't like a spoiler alert thing or anything.

[300] It was, I wanted people to...

[301] No one will be allowed out of the theater at the 30 minute.

[302] Yeah, you know, because tonally, I give clues that something's coming.

[303] Yeah.

[304] And, you know, he talks about some things, and so you can tell, and other people do.

[305] But I...

[306] I, you know, I get it a little weird if people think that I was trying to manipulate him.

[307] I wanted people to meet him, know who he was, so they can empathize.

[308] I wouldn't say manipulate.

[309] I would say you set it up beautifully.

[310] Oh, thanks, me. It was very compelling, captivating.

[311] But, you know, knowing Barry and knowing about the story because of you telling me about, I had no idea, no one had any idea.

[312] Well, he told me before he went to the judiciary Senate hearing.

[313] Well, I told you before I went public at all.

[314] Yeah.

[315] And, yeah, before you did it on, we talked about on stage.

[316] but he said that he found my reaction was what was it like he was like all right because I said you know like oh there's a reason you're such a dick I was like I've been betting on this all along because he's going like everyone's going like criminals is an alcoholic and he could tell I just used it as coolant you know it wasn't like I was turned up missing for days it was just like you know I really did I was running hot man I really did Real hot.

[317] I was always like, I went, no, man, you know, he doesn't have the werewolf, you know.

[318] He doesn't like, and his personality doesn't change.

[319] He stops for long periods.

[320] He just, you know, so I knew.

[321] Twain said when the others drink, I like to help.

[322] And that's, you know.

[323] So there was this anger and pain in my friend that I knew for all these years.

[324] And when he told me, it wasn't like, I just was like, oh, I was kind of.

[325] It was an awful relief, I would say would be your response.

[326] Yeah.

[327] I was, yeah, I was like, oh, you know, inside him.

[328] And then I went into panic mode.

[329] I go, well, what do I do now?

[330] And then I thought, oh, maybe I won't talk.

[331] And let him talk.

[332] And that's a point that comes out in the film.

[333] People, I would be telling friends about it.

[334] And they would be saying to me, well, have you talked to anyone about this?

[335] Yeah, I fucking thought I was talking to you, man. You know, I guess not.

[336] Oh, I got to go pay somebody $200 to be put on pharmaceutical dry ice until I stopped talking about it.

[337] That's your plan, right?

[338] Well, listen, shithead, I'm going to keep talking about it.

[339] Not to you.

[340] Goodbye.

[341] You know, thank you for helping me edit my friends list.

[342] This guy listened.

[343] You've been living in upstate New York for how long now?

[344] About the last 10 to a, no, for this millennium.

[345] What made you decide to go up there?

[346] You know what?

[347] It's the Internet, and I can do what I want.

[348] Yeah, and if I have to go work or appear somewhere, I've got to go to an airport.

[349] So I go to Rochester, Ithaca, or, you know, El M. Ira or wherever.

[350] But I get to sit there and so peaceful.

[351] So I hope you come visit me, Joe.

[352] I would love to.

[353] It's really fucking tremendous there.

[354] How far away is it from New York City?

[355] About four and a half, five hours.

[356] So that's how you do it?

[357] You fly in New York?

[358] You fly or drive.

[359] I don't mind driving there sometimes because it's sort of, you kind of get in game mode and you get out of game mode on the way back.

[360] So I like that.

[361] But my house is like, I finally have the ideal place to do some acid.

[362] Ah, I see.

[363] Yeah.

[364] The parents are, if the parents come.

[365] I come home, they're me. Right.

[366] So, la. And then I get good ass that I hear.

[367] It's fucking terrible.

[368] It's awful.

[369] God damn government.

[370] I mean, you know, for Christ, well, you did that.

[371] I think they figured out too many people got smart after that sort of came through.

[372] Well, they certainly did.

[373] I mean, in the 1970s, the sweeping act, when they made all the psychedelics illegal, they made stuff that wasn't even psychoactive illegal.

[374] They just tried to make everything illegal.

[375] They just didn't want anybody experimenting with anything that's going to make another Timothy Leary.

[376] My friend Tim Walco said about cocaine is how I feel, too.

[377] It's like, you know, I don't like to do, I don't like to stay up, I don't do coke.

[378] I don't like to stay up late and complain about my little league coach.

[379] So I was never a coke guy.

[380] And, you know, in Boston it was bad.

[381] I wasn't a coke guy.

[382] But I used to say to people, if you want to get high, I'll get some acid, you know, and see if we're looking for the dealer at midnight, you know.

[383] Because I'll reach into my little drug pocket in my jeans and pull out another 10 hits if we need them, you know.

[384] But we don't.

[385] And you won't.

[386] The cops wouldn't even know what it was.

[387] get fucking high, you know, and that's the thing.

[388] But my only acid experience as well was when I was a total mess, and I was drinking and taking other drugs at the same time.

[389] Right.

[390] So then you wake up.

[391] Well, I didn't wake up.

[392] I'd just beat the alcohol and Coke wore off in jail in the Watertown jail.

[393] Oh, man. And I'm still high.

[394] Watertown mass?

[395] Yeah, still tripping balls.

[396] And I remember, I remember, like, this, I thought it was the wall or, I don't know, I just saw this thing going, going, he be, be, beep, be, beep, beep, bo, bo, bo, bo, bo, bo.

[397] The three stooges were in the next cell.

[398] Well, that's what it was.

[399] Like, I figured it out later on.

[400] It was some dude was snoring, but I was convinced it was he, peep, beep, beep, beep.

[401] Because you were tripping.

[402] Oh, bo, bo, bo, bo, bo, bo, bo.

[403] It could have went on five minutes or an hour.

[404] I'm not sure.

[405] But I remember looking at this thing on the wall on, he, peep, beep, beep, beep.

[406] Well, psychedelic drugs can definitely make you interpret sounds in a strange way.

[407] That's why those South American shaman have those songs that they, sing while you take ayahuasca yeah the whole idea behind it i've never taken iawaska but i've done dmt when you do which is the same thing it's the uh the active ingredient and when you do it with those those songs like you see the songs dance like you see wow it's very very bizarre and have you have you done that with the songs yeah yeah they're called icaros these south american icaros i've only done it one one experience we tripped several times during the night because it's only like a 15 minute experience so we tripped like four or five times during the night to these songs but they're they're incredible and this this songs you know they're they're recorded live as a guy who's been sober as a guy who's been sober for 34 years i'm listening to this like it's a vacation you took oh like no it's not so nice i'm never going to go to borah borah col's wait said to me last year i've been sober for 33 years i think i'm ready to start dating I think he was wrong This is the songs This is all recorded in the jungle While these people are just deep in the trance of the mother And this guy will sing This is just him starting it off and whistling There's a bunch of them But they're beautiful I listen to them sometimes when I'm driving in my car And I can almost trip because I remember this experience of being wrong.

[408] Can I get copies of that?

[409] Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll get you a copy of it for sure.

[410] Is that on my iTunes?

[411] I don't think it is.

[412] I bet it's not, man. Oh, man, that's great.

[413] I love that guy.

[414] You should see it when these geometric patterns are dancing to that sound.

[415] I almost got, man. It's spinning around you in infinity.

[416] It's very, very bizarre.

[417] LSD was my other drug of choice.

[418] Friends were my drug of choice, but LSD, back in the day, you know let's do some more i almost have something figured out you almost get you know i got let's go in there one more time and i also and you know what i never tell this story but i'm thrilled to tell to you i was the red adair of lSD you know you know red adair was he was the guy who jumped he like parachuted in to put out uh oil oil steric fires i didn't know who that was you heard that question not adair red adair was he parachuted in to put up yeah yeah yeah he would lead a team and they would go and they would put out yeah look it up red adair i'm sure oil fires.

[419] Yeah, like oil well, it blow, and you go in, it's like, oh, the fuck is going to go in here and deal with it.

[420] When someone would be bumming out on acid, I would get the call.

[421] They're bumming out.

[422] And in those days in the early 70s, if they bum out, then they could end up going to the doctor, a hospital, or whatever, and then suddenly they're blathering, they'll turn in everybody, and it's nobody's doing anything.

[423] We just all got some acid.

[424] One person got the acid, but they weren't a drug dealer.

[425] They were just the obtainer of the acid, you know, but they, that's who gave it to me. And that person would have could end up in fucking Attica or something.

[426] So I would get these calls from people like they're freaking out.

[427] And I got this reputation for being good at helping people who are freaking out doing acid.

[428] And I would go and go like, okay, what did they do?

[429] They did these.

[430] How many they do?

[431] They split one.

[432] Give me two.

[433] I got to get in there quick.

[434] And I would get in there.

[435] And then I would like, help them laughing in a while.

[436] And like, I would do stuff like, get me a temple orange.

[437] Just get me one.

[438] You know?

[439] I like, I eat this.

[440] Wow, isn't it?

[441] See, it's okay.

[442] You're on a planet that these things grow from trees.

[443] It's an amazing place.

[444] Put on an album.

[445] What do you like?

[446] Come on.

[447] There's an old Joni Mitch.

[448] See those things?

[449] I know what's freaking you out.

[450] Those hieroglyphics you think are almost words, but you can't quite read them, and now you're getting frustrated.

[451] No, it's just a cool thing.

[452] It's like looking at a beautiful Egyptian crypt carving thing or something.

[453] Obviously, you can't read Egyptian, but you kind of get the point they were making.

[454] Don't worry about it.

[455] It'll be, and an hour later, we're all laughing, and the next morning we're at breakfast, and it's cool.

[456] But that's when I was the Red Adirabilis.

[457] Is freaking out on acid, like freaking out on mushrooms where you're just trying to control it, and you get scared of the experience where it's taking you and you try to resist?

[458] I think it's probably maybe a little worse.

[459] And plus, I mean, you know, there was shitty acid out there sometimes.

[460] Although then, that wasn't that shitty.

[461] It's hard to make, right?

[462] You've got to get a bunch of stuff, and they monitor that stuff.

[463] It's very difficult.

[464] It was, you know, to me, it was my favorite.

[465] I, you know, if I can never get a whole of it, I'll do it.

[466] But Bob calls me in the movie a lifelong LSD enthusiast, like, I'm doing it all the time.

[467] It's one's great credibility to Mike.

[468] In this age of drug McCarthyism, how many people they've ruined just by the hand.

[469] I'm sorry, I made you look bad.

[470] Oh, you're fucking.

[471] Sorry.

[472] It wasn't a lot of guys doing it.

[473] Dushay.

[474] In Boston.

[475] You were one of the primary acid enthusiasts.

[476] Well, but I was one, you know, but I mean, by then it was hard to find, but I would do it once in a long.

[477] Because you were from the 60s, it was a big deal.

[478] Yeah, when you got, I was at the University of Miami.

[479] We literally had an oil drum full of yellow sunshine.

[480] Oh, my God.

[481] Yeah, it was unbelievable.

[482] How much is that?

[483] An oil drum?

[484] However many little.

[485] But you only had a drop, right?

[486] Yeah, there was a lot of them.

[487] I mean, we just kind of, it kind of, someone was in some sort of trouble.

[488] They needed somewhere to put it, and then they disappeared, and we sort of inherited it, and it was like, you know, I don't know how many everybody, and then everybody just left with, like, baggies.

[489] They weren't even baggies then, but just, like, fill up your pockets, glass, and go, go home.

[490] Does it break down?

[491] Does it only last for a certain amount of time?

[492] Well, I had enough, I had plenty of friends.

[493] Jesus Christ, plenty of friends, you know.

[494] There's things like Grateful Dead concerts where they needed a lot of help, so it was all right.

[495] So you, 10 years ago, you decided, fuck it, I'm going back to where I grew up.

[496] Is that what the deal was?

[497] Basically, I mean, you know, 15 years ago now.

[498] But, yeah, I mean, I love the country.

[499] You know, I mean, it really soothes me. And I finally just sort of noticed to cut myself a break.

[500] You know, I've taken enough of a, you know, I've been through enough shit.

[501] And it just soothes me to be there with, you know, with a dog.

[502] And I just love the terrain.

[503] And it's so verdant there.

[504] I mean, I love it out here.

[505] It's so great to come here, especially to see my friends like you two doing so great and having succeeded.

[506] It's a completely different thing to come to L .A. now than it was when I first came to L .A. and we were all trying to get our foot in the door.

[507] But it's really nice.

[508] It's serene.

[509] And I can, you know, it's a really nice place to sort of rake myself into a pile and my thoughts into a pile and then distribute them and reflect.

[510] And in common, I want to have something to say, but, you know, be perfectly fine for being missing for a week or two at a time.

[511] Well, it's not forced input up there, you know?

[512] That's the beautiful thing about being anywhere where there's very few people.

[513] Just less input.

[514] When people come to my house, like a car will drive by when they first get there.

[515] Six hours later, another car will drive by.

[516] And they go, I don't know where all this fucking traffic's coming from today.

[517] I'm really sorry, man. Well, it's actually two dirt roads to get to his house.

[518] Must be fun when it snows.

[519] And if you go past, there's a young.

[520] gal with a giant sow on a chain?

[521] Do you know what I'm talking about?

[522] She's got a chain.

[523] There's a woman walking her pig.

[524] It was like, it'd probably wait like 500 pounds.

[525] Do you know what I'm talking about?

[526] Yeah, that pig was killed in a horrible accident.

[527] Oh, I know.

[528] Car accident?

[529] Barry?

[530] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[531] The car was basically total.

[532] Jesus Christ.

[533] We have a joke about how Barry can ruin anything.

[534] I saw a pig.

[535] It's dead.

[536] Moving on.

[537] So when 2000 rolled around, I guess, decided to just once the internet started kicking in you made a conscious choice to try to go some more that's a little bit more peaceful yeah absolutely and i heard you talk a little bit about but have you have you thought about doing a podcast i mean if you know it just seems if anybody was right for us and i are going to paul casliske and i are going to do it and it's going to be called over to the podcast which is the upstate the defeated tone because paul live up there too yeah you just moved back he just come back really Jesus Christ yeah i speak to you and i speak to an upstate home for like 193 inches of snow last year.

[538] I just sat my house and worked out my alcoholism until I could get the door open again.

[539] That's where I...

[540] What is Paul doing these days?

[541] A lot of art. People buy his art. And then we're trying to get the podcast going.

[542] But he's been pretty busy because he's been swamped with art orders.

[543] And I've been pretty busy.

[544] After he hit that pig.

[545] That's right.

[546] It was a performance.

[547] The performance piece.

[548] Total does you go.

[549] It was a performance piece.

[550] Well, yeah, man, you could easily do a podcast up there.

[551] And if you ever do, please do let me know.

[552] And I'd be happy to promote it.

[553] And I would listen to it every week.

[554] Thank you, man. I listen to you all the time.

[555] And, I mean, you kill me. I mean, you just, really, again, to have, you know, even helped, like, rake the dirt that you grew out of.

[556] It's terrific.

[557] Thank you very much.

[558] That's an honor.

[559] You certainly did.

[560] You were, like I said, you were the strongest part of that.

[561] You know, and I have had, like, some little Twitter conversations back and forth over the years about, you know, the community and what it's like now.

[562] His Boston is, um, it's making a little bit of resurgence.

[563] I keep hearing that.

[564] And Rick Jenkins is trying to do something in that Chinese restaurant, just kind of ironic that it all started out at the ding -ho.

[565] That it goes back.

[566] It's a, it's definitely there's some sort of connection between comedy and MSG.

[567] It's just, there's, you can't deny it.

[568] But back in those days, the MSG would make you pay the comics.

[569] I don't get it Well, we paid it today Oh, oh, I get it Oh, Rick doesn't pay people?

[570] No, I don't think he makes enough money to I understand that But we don't advertise, right?

[571] Isn't that like part of his fun thing?

[572] Yeah, well, I Doesn't let people know It's like a poker game Let them figure it out Yeah, if you're invited, it's okay But no, you know, he's done a great job He's been there longer than he.

[573] He's probably the longest running comedy club in Boston history We shot some of the movie there.

[574] Yeah, I saw.

[575] The stuff with Barry now, because, you know, I didn't want to do that.

[576] I didn't want to do that thing in documentaries where they have the triumphant return because that always feels very cooked.

[577] But I just wanted to show that Barry was alive and still relevant, and that's why.

[578] And it ended up being great.

[579] It was Bradley Stone's like for the DP who suggested it.

[580] And it ended up really good because Barry ended up narrating a good portion of the movie from the stage, you know.

[581] Like when he says, you know, we went back, we went to that basement where I was raped as a kid, you know, that, that was, that was not something that I, that was cooked.

[582] It was something that I was going to film the, the space where these things happened, because I thought that would be powerful.

[583] And I didn't want to do reenactments.

[584] Yeah.

[585] Yeah, neither did I. You know, what the fuck.

[586] I mean, I would have been testifying in front of another committee.

[587] What's the fuck.

[588] Oh, my God.

[589] So when we got there, Thanks, man. Barry and I, well, before we got there, we had a big argument.

[590] He says, look, I'm going down there.

[591] Because I just kind of wanted him to put it in perspective, but I didn't want him to go down in the basement.

[592] And because I also was afraid.

[593] You know, I was worried for my friend.

[594] I've seen him going to shock.

[595] I've seen it.

[596] I saw it coming on when we were even there.

[597] Oh, it came on.

[598] Yeah, I mean, but even before you got out of the car.

[599] you know, before you got out of the car.

[600] But I know how to operate in this state of shock.

[601] That's how I did the child pornography investigation, and that's how, you know, they make their own worst enemies.

[602] The child pornography investigation was a huge part of that movie.

[603] And the fact that you, I mean, I think if it was going on today, I think AOL would have gotten a lot more fucking trouble.

[604] Yeah, I think it would be a much, much bigger story.

[605] But it was also...

[606] Let's explain what happens because people don't...

[607] So Barry discloses that he was raped as a kid on stage during a benefit for children, basically.

[608] Well, it was for the Southern Poverty Law Center.

[609] But I was speaking up about what happened in Los Angeles, and everyone was knocking.

[610] It was after Rodney King, and everyone was knocking these kids.

[611] I'm trying to get rid of this show.

[612] I'm not looking at it.

[613] So then.

[614] And so at that point, I just sort of put my whole life together, and I just, just wanted to say, you know, kids come from somewhere, man. These kids do ride, they come from somewhere.

[615] These guys come from a place where right up the street from their squalid condition are some of the richest people in the fucking world.

[616] And they see it and they don't know what to do.

[617] And guess, well, gee, they want some stuff when things, what a surprise.

[618] So I was speaking up for them and it was this long rap.

[619] And then at the end of it, I said, everybody comes from somewhere.

[620] I come, I came from something.

[621] And then I told my story.

[622] Yeah.

[623] And I talked about a disclosure.

[624] But he had planned on that that's how the set was going to go.

[625] Because Sweeney wanted to close, and Barry's like, I don't think you should close.

[626] He should have him close.

[627] He insisted on it.

[628] I went, well, all right.

[629] So Barry talks in comedy, con. I've never said follow that to anybody, but in so many words that it that night.

[630] That show was over.

[631] So while he was looking for it.

[632] Good luck with that.

[633] You want more, Barry Crimmons?

[634] Let's go, let's go.

[635] That's a Jack Cameron ambulance.

[636] It's Mass Avenue.

[637] So when Barry's looking for other survivors, he became aware that AOL was allowing pedophiles to exchange child pornography openly in their chat rooms.

[638] Not just exchange it, but back then, the more you use, the more you paid.

[639] So they were profiting.

[640] It wasn't like today.

[641] You can get online all day long.

[642] Thank you for making that point.

[643] So it was a big deal.

[644] So it was a lot of money.

[645] Millions.

[646] Millions.

[647] So they're playing it dumb with me because one nut is bothering them.

[648] And they just, well, thank you for your being a good citizen of the ALL community.

[649] But we have to balance in, as Bob noticed, you know, our corporate growth along with First Amendment rights.

[650] And it's like, what are you fucking kidding?

[651] These people are exchanging pictures of children being raped.

[652] There's no First Amendment right.

[653] I don't give a fuck about your corporate growth.

[654] fuck you keep it up and then right before they asked me to testify or when I was already invited to testify two days before they will contacts me and says you know would you like to get together and meet now they were they were going to come up with the bribe and I went you know what I you know what I'm going to see you Tuesday at the hearing or whatever day I was so what do you think I would have loved to meet with them or hear you meet with them just to see what their plan was I wanted to talk to that guy now but he wouldn't be in the movie the attorney for AOL what's he up to that way would he what's he Sucking Satan's dick somewhere?

[655] He's busy.

[656] Okay, listen, he's not an attorney anymore.

[657] Oh, well, maybe stop sucking Satan's dick.

[658] He's running paramount.

[659] No, no. You guys keep talking.

[660] I'm going on in the man's room.

[661] So, yeah, so Barry, after Barry testified, he wrote an article in the Boston, Phoenix, that I thought, and this was in 95, and I thought it read like a Frank Capper movie, you know, this, you know, a part, we should, I'll film more of the holes of the story.

[662] Because Frank Capper.

[663] Oh, Frank Capper, it's a wonderful life, Mr. Deeds, all those kind of, you know.

[664] So, so he, so Barry, basically he didn't even pose his kids, he just signed on his kids, and that's all it took, and he got all this evidence against these guys, and he basically embarrassed AOL on the floor of the Senate.

[665] but he he pretended to be a child to get to lure these child guys yeah but it wasn't even that much it wasn't even that much um you know it wasn't really that much of a bait you know it's pretty easy yeah just say hey we're two kids and we're on and our parents don't because he played as he as if he was a girl and a boy and all it just just came pouring in it wasn't like he was entrapping these guys they were just pouring in and he spent you know almost a year you know and downloading all these things.

[666] He gave it orders.

[667] He lost a hundred pounds.

[668] Yeah, it's not in the movie, but he, because he had given the evidence over to the feds.

[669] And the reason it's not in the movie is that there was arrests that were made directly because of the stuff that Barry had handed over.

[670] But the feds weren't interested in being in the movie, I think, because Barry kind of did their job for them.

[671] And, you know, and, and, and, so, so, where is he?

[672] Oh, so he begged me to make the movie.

[673] No. So, no, so I thought this reads like a Frank Capper movie, and I asked Barry to write a screenplay, but this was right when you just said he had lost 100 pounds, and I was like going, Barry, this article you wrote for the Phoenix is tremendous.

[674] I think it's a picture, you know, and...

[675] We can make money.

[676] Yeah.

[677] And by the way, you have no idea how to write a screenplay.

[678] And so, Barry, what was your motivation, like when you knew that they were trading pornography?

[679] Child pornography.

[680] Child pornography, excuse me. I don't care about it.

[681] You decided the way to catch them or the way to gather evidence on them was to pose as a child.

[682] Well, no, what I did, I needed a reason to be in the room, okay?

[683] If I was in the room as an adult, they would think it was weird that if I wasn't sending child pornography back to them.

[684] So I needed to be a child.

[685] Right.

[686] So then they're going like, look at the fun you could have.

[687] That's what they're literally doing and approaching me with.

[688] You know, Doug Stano wrote a whole book about it.

[689] it about baiting he used to do it all the time like back in the old days he he used to call it baiting and he used to put it at publish it on his website baiting child porn people yeah baiting pedophiles i got to meet Doug i've never met him he's the best i hope that i love the fuck about that dude maybe you could uh fuck yeah absolutely i'll fly him in to you tell me where you're going to be let's do it okay great great he but what it's it's a crazy thing that when you were doing this it's sort of analogous to how people got away with pedophilia and how they got away with child molesting back in the day because it was something that was almost it was just pushed aside the word taboo works in the favor of the perpetrator yeah that's why we have to break silence that's why we have to be like kind of specific about different terms like people say to me wow you admitted you were raped I didn't fucking admit anything I was raped I you know guilty people right rape you know I mean I I didn't admit anything it's like you admitted you they held they robbed your home you know you would You were held up at gunpoint.

[690] Well, I disclosed.

[691] I chose to disclose.

[692] Not everyone sort of has the wearwithal to do that or the makeup to do that, but fortunately I did.

[693] So I disclosed, but I didn't admit anything.

[694] And they tell you, the deep, dark secret he had.

[695] No, I dealt with it when I could, and I talked about it when I could in a fashion that I tried to make as accessible as possible to other people.

[696] So people would know, like, look at this guy.

[697] This guy's sensible.

[698] This guy's got something to say.

[699] This guy seems to be lucid.

[700] And now he's saying this But it took a toll on him And so It was a hard time for me Because, you know, he was Barry And I saw how ill he got And I was making Police Academy 4 It was really taken away from my time on the set So you had lost a hundred pounds Why you were doing this?

[701] Well, I also became a vegetarian and stuff done So there's a variety of people draw Whatever conclusions and there's some stuff in the movie i mean i just hooked people up to be in the movie and then i i didn't say hey remember to say this or remember i i just backed off and i didn't loom while bob was making the movie i thought it was enough of a task so i tried the one thing i could do is i just kept saying to people it's bob's it's about my life it's bob's movie and bob's movie about my life is something i'm very i put my money on the right you know the right spot on the table you know so and i knew that coming in i knew he would do me right but but his like there's parts in the movie that my daughter has a problem with because the the one is the basement because it looks like i i asked him to or kind of manipulated in a fight about that yeah went the other way the fight was he's known i'm going down there you go through a problem not around it you can film this or not i'm going down there you don't have a problem with that that's because she didn't like me looking like a manipulative guy right and she didn't like the scene with your sister because who again in my My sister, I don't tell anybody, I just said Bob's making a movie about my life.

[702] And then she, at one point in the movie, she says, well, you know, I knew you were going to interview me, but I didn't know there would be cameras here.

[703] It's a fucking movie, Mary Jo, but she's my sister, and she literally saved my life as a, I mean, I very well may have saved my life.

[704] It was close because the degree of violence and it's just this physicality of things and whatever.

[705] She's so important to the movie because people want to discredit victims of abuse and to have a witness.

[706] And that's about as much time as we should give those people, you know, fuck them.

[707] Yeah.

[708] Yeah, but I just wanted to show them that we're ironclad.

[709] Oh, yeah.

[710] That's why that's why it was key.

[711] I mean, she did me, a big solid, not just you.

[712] So, Barry went into.

[713] Well, the original big salad is what I'm talking about when I was, you know, when she walked in.

[714] If she hadn't, who knows, maybe that day, maybe if that.

[715] That guy wasn't stopped that.

[716] Maybe I was just about to be.

[717] It's so evil, too, because the girl that was involved as well, the girl that, the babysitter that leered, that lured you in and brought the guy over, and then the girl was trying to stop your sister from getting away.

[718] I mean, it was her or us.

[719] My fucking heart was pounding when I was watching that.

[720] My hands were sweating.

[721] It's just, and your sister's crying.

[722] It's like, whoa.

[723] Yeah.

[724] Whoa.

[725] It's.

[726] And then cut to good evening.

[727] And there's a very bright young comic from upstate New York.

[728] Well, that's like when Barry was in the basement, you know.

[729] And to me, what he says there is very, you know, it proves that he's not living in it, that he's bringing the message back to the tribe, you know, very Joseph Campbell kind of stuff, you know.

[730] That's the, you know, the end, it's a great fourth act.

[731] And so he says, he says to me, goes, I totally blacked out.

[732] I don't know what I said is any of it.

[733] Thinking about the movie, which is very sweet.

[734] He goes, was any of that usable?

[735] And I said, I don't know.

[736] I'm playing yakety sacks the whole time you're down in that basement.

[737] And he goes, yeah, you can animate it and stuff.

[738] But, you know, people get weirded out by that.

[739] But how else the two guys that genuinely love each other?

[740] We had to keep making plenty of jokes as I went along to go through some of the, some of the, you know.

[741] Jokes that only.

[742] he can make and then I can get away with a little bit because I'm close to my love them.

[743] I fully licensed Bob to use my jokes.

[744] But in any case, you know, I'm glad I went into that basement for a few reasons.

[745] Number one was because other kids go in that basement.

[746] I didn't want to imply that it was imbued with some sort of supernatural power because this rapist had been there.

[747] You know what?

[748] It turns out rapists cannot imbue stone walls with their evil.

[749] It's just something that happened within those stone walls.

[750] And I went down and said hopefully there's a good spirit to say any kid who's ever been in here or any kid who will ever be in here.

[751] I hope you have fun and you play with your friends and everything's okay and no one else ever gets hurt here, ever.

[752] And that was really important to me. And the other thing was like kind of as silly as it sounds, it's sort of grunchy granola as it sounds.

[753] In a way, well, I mean, I had thought about that place for so long.

[754] I wasn't going to walk up to the door and give it the kind of power that I couldn't walk in there.

[755] I had every right to walk in there.

[756] And so I did.

[757] And in a way, I walked in there, and I collected myself as a small child, and we all walked back up the stairs.

[758] And they did a beautiful thing in the movie where they talk about, I'm walking up the stairs.

[759] And then this U .S., I mean, this county prosecutor from Cuyahoga County in Ohio, says, you know, like we've arrested over 1 ,000 people for trading child pornography in Cuyahoga County and a lot of what he did is the basis of what's being done nationally about this heinous crime so it's you know I mean it's a fucking beautiful bow on a like a ridiculous package and I'm in and man did we name the movie the right thing you know I'm so fortunate what year was this that you were doing this with the AOL 95 95 so this was the beginning of the internet yeah yeah Yeah, and like in the movie where the senators so proudly talk about how illiterate they are with computers.

[760] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[761] Yeah.

[762] I don't know who they're trying to appeal to there.

[763] Yeah.

[764] Is it supposed to make them folksy or something?

[765] Yeah.

[766] Yeah.

[767] Yeah, it's just incredible that 20 years ago it was that easy to trade child pornography that it was just...

[768] They were fearless about it.

[769] And they actually, they would attack someone who challenged them rather than, like, someone coming in and going like, holy shit, someone sees what we're doing, the scatter.

[770] you know at least that would happen now at least at least they know they're in a little some sort of danger back then it was like well this is a natural progression of thing and and plus i'm just reading these guys and you know i i i will read what my enemy writes so i like i studied nambla and what they have to say and these fucking people if you're not familiar with nambla watch the movie powder uh it basically uh puts the entire uh philosophy of nambla you're Ambla into a film that Disney paid for that was directed by a convicted child molester.

[771] Really?

[772] Yeah, abs fucking lootly.

[773] I didn't know that.

[774] Oh, the boy had all the power.

[775] And he looks like Michael Jackson.

[776] It's like so fucking creepy.

[777] I thought powder was about like a magic kid or something?

[778] A alien or something.

[779] Magic kid has this power all the way.

[780] But the director directed a movie called Clown House.

[781] Yeah, it was the movie I think Clown House.

[782] And he was caught actively.

[783] actively abusing children.

[784] A child actor.

[785] He was caught and went to jail with it for it.

[786] And then Disney makes a fucking film with this guy.

[787] Afterwards?

[788] Yes.

[789] What year was the film made?

[790] Mid -90s.

[791] To the internet.

[792] This is Sean Patrick Flannery, right?

[793] 95 is when it came out.

[794] Yeah.

[795] Yeah, I guess.

[796] Wow.

[797] Yeah.

[798] So fuck that guy.

[799] Fuck him.

[800] I know about him.

[801] I know what his fucking movies about.

[802] It's the fucking Nambla philosophy put into a movie.

[803] Like, this kid has power over everyone.

[804] Everything's the kid's choice.

[805] Fuck you.

[806] Everything isn't the kid's choice.

[807] You're lying fucking sack of shit, creep, fucking child rapist that Disney hired.

[808] And when you look at Disney, and they let that guy direct a movie, just consider who might be behind the fucking goofy mask at their theme park.

[809] Thank you.

[810] Wow.

[811] That is crazy.

[812] This is the guy?

[813] That's right.

[814] Victor Salva.

[815] Look at that mustache.

[816] Fucking relentless sack.

[817] Yeah.

[818] I actually am friends with the number one.

[819] Boy, I don't know who got him in that right corner picture, but I like it.

[820] American film director best known for directing the film's powder and jeepers creepers.

[821] Jeepers, creepers.

[822] That was that horror movie?

[823] Yeah.

[824] That was a good movie.

[825] Fuck.

[826] But, um...

[827] The attracted controversy of being a convicted sex.

[828] What, where is he now?

[829] I don't know, but he better not be too close to me. How is that?

[830] He's directing the, uh, full -house reunion.

[831] Fuller?

[832] Fuller.

[833] Really fuller.

[834] Fuller house.

[835] Oh my gosh.

[836] God.

[837] Yeah, so there you go.

[838] Hey, Victor, a little press for you today.

[839] Vic?

[840] Vic, you fucking Nambla, fucking proponent.

[841] Fuck you.

[842] Piece of shit and fuck Disney.

[843] Yeah.

[844] I get that.

[845] Yeah.

[846] So when he directed that movie, he was only like 37.

[847] He was only 37 convicted sex offender.

[848] Wow.

[849] What else did he direct?

[850] He directed children.

[851] Look at that.

[852] Hold on.

[853] Look at that vice.

[854] piece.

[855] He loves convicting, loves terrorizing semi -naked youths?

[856] What?

[857] This is from 2012?

[858] What is this?

[859] Oh my God.

[860] Jesus, Larry and Joseph.

[861] Oh, my God.

[862] And people think about Padres or sexually deviant a film director, they are likely to imagine Roman plants gave in sex with a 13 -year -old.

[863] Rudy Allen marrying is adopted daughter.

[864] But those stories are a bit tired and cliched now.

[865] So those of you with a thirst for horrible stories about film men abusing the power, we present mid -budget journeyman.

[866] director Victor Salvo.

[867] Journeyman.

[868] He's on a boxer.

[869] Yeah.

[870] What does that mean?

[871] Mid -budget journeyman.

[872] What a weird distinction.

[873] I know.

[874] Just director.

[875] In 1989, Salvo was jailed after molesting.

[876] I would prefer if you call me Journeyman.

[877] Okay, from now on, I'm calling him.

[878] Claptons should sue these guys.

[879] Clownhouse.

[880] So he was jailed after molesting a 12 -year -old star.

[881] And you know what?

[882] Don't, so don't rent his movie.

[883] Don't pay for his next defense.

[884] And by the way, the Gary Glitter's shit, they play in every, in every ballpark.

[885] That's his fucking defense one.

[886] And I won't finish it, but hey, you know that song?

[887] He makes money on that every time a ball game's going on.

[888] The plots victims of Clown House are three prepubescent brothers led by the debutante, Sam Rockwell, who spent their time running hysterically around the enormous suburban house.

[889] Funny how he has three prepubescent kids in that film, too.

[890] funny what a piece of shit I can't even look at this show How's this guy not in jail I thought when you go to jail for something like that You go to jail for a long time now You'd be surprised Well that's I'm surprised right now Because it came out in Disney Let him make a goddamn movie That was the Nambla movie It's like You know The Nambla film festival Outside of God knows what they would show So what is Nambla's philosophy That's the kid's choice That's their run Yeah Yeah, yeah, that's the kid's the kids make all the decisions.

[891] You know, I used to think that NAMBA was something that they joked around about.

[892] Like, I thought it was a...

[893] He didn't think it was a real thing?

[894] No. I used to hear Howard Stern talk about it.

[895] Yeah, no, Nambal is real, and it's not a joke.

[896] So look at...

[897] But the thing is, it's like the Communist Party.

[898] Nowadays, if you go to a meeting, you know, it's like 80 % FBI agents, so enjoy yourself, Nambla guys.

[899] Remember the hilarious thing when they had a NAMLA meeting at the San Francisco Library, and the film crew came in, and everybody walked out like crouching.

[900] They're all like walking like a groucho marks.

[901] No, I didn't stand it.

[902] They wouldn't stand up.

[903] You know, I bet we could find it.

[904] Nambla, San Francisco Library, you know, it's hilarious.

[905] I just thought for sure, if something like that happens, you go to jail for 100 years.

[906] I mean, I don't understand how this guy could have been out at 4.

[907] I mean, that means at 37.

[908] So if he was convicted and then he was out at 37, he couldn't possibly have done more than, you know, 17, 19 years, right?

[909] If he was 18.

[910] Well, he didn't do anything close to the.

[911] And then he did a little bit.

[912] He did a little bit.

[913] And then when they made the movie, though, here's the thing.

[914] He wasn't directing that film at 17, 18, you know, I mean, he was in a day.

[915] He only did it a bit of time.

[916] Motherfucker.

[917] But, you know, the movie they greenlit, that's the other thing that's weird.

[918] They knew his past, and then they green lit that movie.

[919] He was released on parole in 92, 15 months into his sentence.

[920] Whoa.

[921] He laid low for a while, planning his next move.

[922] What the fuck does that mean?

[923] I don't know.

[924] Oh, my God.

[925] The registered sex owner who'd recently been driven out because he was hired to make a film for Disney.

[926] Selva's Disney film film film film film was a stray pot of a freakishly intelligent albino boy with telepathic and telekinetic powers.

[927] The film was marketed as a modern -day fail show which starred such household names as Jeff Goldblum and was at the time decreed to be asleep or hit after gross $30 million worldwide, outstripping its modest $10 million budget.

[928] Yeah, all I remembered was that, oh my God, you touched me and I've had better, what does that say?

[929] Jeff Goldman comes across powder, an empty cafeteria and says to him, you touched me and I've had better sex than I've had in 10 years.

[930] I want to be a friend.

[931] That's not creepy.

[932] And this thing get good reviews.

[933] You touched me and I had better sex.

[934] Oh, man, we hit, that's what I love.

[935] I was looking forward to doing this because I know we would hit some stripe, you know, some vein that you would completely dig, man, and you get it.

[936] See, this is my work.

[937] This is what I'm fucking out.

[938] What the fuck?

[939] Yeah.

[940] He takes powder's hand as his hair supposedly due to an electric current begins to stand on to end.

[941] So the idea is that he's holding him.

[942] And the power of this child makes his hair stand up.

[943] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[944] Then Goldblum then...

[945] It's a fucking tenetophile movie.

[946] And caresses powder's face and bald head for around 20 seconds.

[947] What the fuck is wrong with Jeff Goldblum?

[948] I don't know, Jeff, what is the wrong with you?

[949] The fuck, I don't care.

[950] I don't need to meet movie stars.

[951] Fucking, you know, come on.

[952] I'm glad you're on the fucking rent .com horror ads now.

[953] Apartment.

[954] I'm glad it's falling apart.

[955] Well, I'm not.

[956] Good luck to you, but what the fuck?

[957] He was really good in Jurassic Park.

[958] I didn't see that I missed that Can you imagine I didn't happen to see that He said he really like calling you lucky Did he?

[959] Not really No, are you kidding Yeah He's kidding You kidding I'm totally kidding I know that kidding I'm sorry I mean maybe he wasn't thinking that much Maybe the movie was made incrementally And whatever so I'll give him a break But Disney should have fucking And Disney's whole business is based on kids Right So this is what The Big Kid Studio The fucking theme park people.

[960] They put this piece of shit out, and it's still sort of like honored is this critically acclaimed thing, and I'm no guy who can critics figure out shit that I'm not smart enough or I don't care enough to figure out.

[961] They can follow avant -garde and I don't know what the fuck they're talking about.

[962] But this movie, I know the message better than anybody.

[963] I know what it's about, and I know who they're appealing to, and they're putting their fucking horse shit in our face and asking us to like it.

[964] Well, you know what?

[965] I don't like it Disney.

[966] I don't like itself.

[967] I go fuck yourself.

[968] I vaguely recollect that this was an issue that someone had brought up to me before, but I never investigated it or maybe it was in conversation at the comedy store or something like that and I never looked into it.

[969] But God damn it, this is fucking crazy.

[970] There's a, there's fucking jelly in this beer.

[971] What do you mean?

[972] Jelly.

[973] What do you mean?

[974] What was it said?

[975] Blackberry.

[976] This is Sam Adams?

[977] I don't go to, I don't drink it fucking Knotsberry Park.

[978] Can I see it?

[979] Can I see what?

[980] it says what is it it's really sweet is it taste it well no no I don't think so okay alright he's moving on these Nuevo's are really good I gotta try in Nuevo these are great it's from New Mexico local beer all right so thank you man that's a great thing about doing your show and I've listened to you go off on these rips for so long I gotta watch it no o 'clock in the morning because my with Don Gavin but I gotta watch it no o 'clock Cut the shit big guy yeah I gotta watch it I got to watch at no o 'clock in the morning because I'm on a dish and it uses up too much band with to keep watching.

[981] But if I'm up at no o 'clock in the morning, I'm checking out what you've been doing and you fucking kill me, man. And it's great.

[982] And that's why I was so, I mean, I didn't approach one.

[983] I don't think, I might have approached a couple of, but like a very few people I approached that can we come on and do your thing and do your show.

[984] You're one of the only ones, man. And I'm so glad.

[985] And you're the last one we're doing it.

[986] This is it.

[987] I'm done.

[988] Thank you very much.

[989] It's an honor for me. And I knew I could trust you for me arriving as test pattern, boy, at the end of fucking 100 interviews.

[990] Like, well, let's go back.

[991] Now, what's, you like to call it a rape barry deal.

[992] Is that what good?

[993] Is it a sexual assault or a rape to you?

[994] Is that right?

[995] Can we, I'm going to go ahead and use that word rape.

[996] Is that all right?

[997] One thing that really sort of kind of defines you and how you approach things.

[998] Very good, beer.

[999] It's very good, right?

[1000] Nuevo.

[1001] that you, you, you said that if that guy was alive, that you would want to show him that he didn't, he didn't break you.

[1002] That's right.

[1003] I would show him that my personal revenge would be to behave decently towards him and even advocate for him to be in a situation confined and segregated from any possibility of being near children where he was treated in a humane fashion.

[1004] And if he weren't, I would tell him he could tell me and I would do something about it.

[1005] because I did not, I became a human rights activist and not a, not a human rights offender.

[1006] And so you didn't win.

[1007] The light that was extinguished in you was never extinguished in me. It survived, and I'm so fortunate that it did.

[1008] I would have probably said that and then killed him, for sure.

[1009] I stop spiders.

[1010] I'm not a big fan of poisonous things.

[1011] Yeah, well, I understand.

[1012] I understand.

[1013] I didn't experience what you experienced, and you have obviously.

[1014] I couldn't be consumed by a job of been consumed.

[1015] Well, you're a very strong person to go that path and to go that route, and that's indicative of who you became, and that's one of the reasons I think, ironically, like, why you became such a strong leader in this powerful person is because you overcame something un -fucking bearably traumatic very early in your life, and you developed this intense sense of right and wrong.

[1016] I think this is a great time to tell people they should follow them.

[1017] on Twitter at Kriman, C -I -M -M -I -N -S.

[1018] Let's see the record we can send for followers right now at this moment.

[1019] At Krimmins on Twitter.

[1020] He was talking about me, Barry.

[1021] Oh, man. No, I was talking about it.

[1022] So I seize the moment.

[1023] This has been the weirdest, hardest movie to promote, you know.

[1024] What in the Bigfoot movie?

[1025] Because Bigfoot, it's scary and it was fun.

[1026] You know, oh, I got to, here, you guys talk.

[1027] I got to show Joe a picture.

[1028] I think he's going to dig.

[1029] Oh, is it the lizard guy that lives in?

[1030] No, no. It's the fact that...

[1031] It's the fact that...

[1032] Hey, hello, all of Joe Rogan's followers, all you crazy goddamn...

[1033] What would you describe your politics?

[1034] I'd try not to.

[1035] Okay, good.

[1036] I think it's...

[1037] I'm trying not to define it.

[1038] Oh, shoot, I can't get on the internet.

[1039] My politics are wait for the aliens to land.

[1040] My politics are like...

[1041] My politics are never trust anyone who wants to be in charge.

[1042] That's perfect.

[1043] Yeah.

[1044] Anybody who wants to be president should...

[1045] be president is fucked i have a thought i have an idea that people it should be like jury duty and that absolutely yeah absolutely and then you know hey i'm gonna go try to do us proud for a week i mean i like i ran the dingho i did that shit i could have parlayed that into something but i just knew we needed something i didn't want to be fucking in charge fuck that i want to do my shit i think it should be by height and i don't want anyone to have to approve of it by height yeah how did the ding how did the ding how did the dingho um wind up closing And Chun Lee lost the tax money in a mahjong game.

[1046] For real?

[1047] I sold out four shows on Saturday.

[1048] I went over to pick up my notebook on Monday.

[1049] There's fucking plywood on the door.

[1050] And the ultimate dingho not here.

[1051] Because the joke is, I used to call the club.

[1052] I'd be out on the road.

[1053] And I would call in on Saturday.

[1054] And this old guy, Henry, is like an 82 -year -old Chinese guy who took the takeout orders on the phone.

[1055] I would call up.

[1056] And I would say, hey, Henry, it's Barry.

[1057] Barry, not here.

[1058] And hang up.

[1059] And this is back in the day.

[1060] You've got to get another $2 .85 and change.

[1061] Henry, you know.

[1062] I want to order Shun Lee on the phone.

[1063] You know, like I would have to figure some way to break through his belly and not here.

[1064] So it turned into my friend, the late great John Brown, you know, the man who wants, the man who wants, the man who wants, oh, you fuck.

[1065] The man who wants puked in a wishing well.

[1066] The Patterson Kremlin photo is Barry.

[1067] How about the one with you together?

[1068] Okay, how about yours?

[1069] I was watching the movie editing, and I was like, holy crap.

[1070] It's the holy crap for me. Well, there's a lot of Bigfoot sightings in upstate New York.

[1071] Well, that's my thing.

[1072] I just do movies about a hairy, mysterious man that live out in the woods.

[1073] I was on some point, but it doesn't matter because Bob had to mock.

[1074] You were talking about calling up the dingho, and then you had to trick them.

[1075] So it became Dingho not here.

[1076] I don't remember the rest of it.

[1077] Anyway, I still, it wasn't enough of a prompt, Joe.

[1078] It's gone.

[1079] I have a compartmentalized memory.

[1080] I've had a lot, and plus, I've had a lot of concussions because I played a little ball in my day.

[1081] Oh, man. Back in the day when spearing was, you know, legal.

[1082] Yeah, and widely practiced.

[1083] Yeah, man. Did you enjoy Fran Salamita's documentary when Stan up stood out?

[1084] Yeah, great job.

[1085] Fran was a big help in our movie.

[1086] He gave us footage that wasn't used in that, so that was a big big help.

[1087] It was the first real chance for me to go on.

[1088] record about a lot of stuff and then and then some of that was stuff bob ended up using in our film so yeah i enjoyed it a lot you are in this uh this is position now with this film coming out to help a lot of people i think this this film is not just going to you know tell your story and and you know open up a lot of people's eyes as to i hope so of the aOL situation all but i think a lot of people you know you're such a powerful guy I'm hearing from them, Joe.

[1089] I'm sure you are.

[1090] And, you know, and they know how to find me, or they will, you know, find me, and I'll do what I can.

[1091] Some, I give everybody as much of a chance as I can.

[1092] There's a lot of what's sold to abuse survivors that I think is horseshit, and that's basically, they get quote -unquote empowered.

[1093] And I hate that word because it takes the strength out of the word, power.

[1094] What sounds more like power?

[1095] Power or M -powered?

[1096] M -powered is like sandy, making it wear Birkenstocks or something.

[1097] So I'm not that big on M -powered.

[1098] Like I did my friend Sam Cedar's podcast a couple weeks back, and he said, I don't want to give away with the movies.

[1099] I said, listen, man, it's not that kind of movie, and it hinges largely on the fact that I survived rapes as a child.

[1100] Well, I heard from several people who said, you know you really should have had a trigger warning on there and it's like what the fuck do you think i was doing what the fuck do you think i was doing when i said it hinges largely i was warning you that what it was about right there but someone has empowered you to to have a way to take issue with me because i'm not completely basing i like you know the whole world isn't baser on me even though i got rape when i was four years old everybody shouldn't be thinking in terms of that all the time because they've been through their own shit and they're dealing with their own shit and they're dealing with their own and they're trying to survive.

[1101] So if I can make them more sensitive to this issue, if I can show them that it matters to them, that they deal with other people who have been through this kind of trauma and we want to reduce it as much as absolutely possible, that's good.

[1102] But after that, if I'm going to find a way to set up a situation where I'm always the injured party and I prove again and again that I'm persecuted and no one's thinking in terms of me, then I'm never going to get fucking healed.

[1103] I'm never going to get fucking healed.

[1104] So what I did was I went out, and I tried to help other people.

[1105] When I help other people, I realize how far along I've come.

[1106] And I realize there's really something in it for me to do that.

[1107] And it's not like I'm this altruistic guy.

[1108] It's like I'm saving my own life.

[1109] And, you know, like that AOL investigation that took such courage to do it.

[1110] No, what would have taken courage was turning my back on those kids and walking away going like, oh, I don't want to know what's who -hoo going on in there.

[1111] How would I live with that guy?

[1112] How would I live with myself then?

[1113] But, you know, like, it was nice.

[1114] Everyone said, oh, gee, what he went through when he was doing that investigation?

[1115] What about the kids in the fucking pictures?

[1116] That's what I want everyone to know about.

[1117] Thanks for caring about me. But it's the kids in the pictures I give a shit about.

[1118] It's the kids that are suffering right now.

[1119] Somewhere within the sound on my voice, someone, you know, I mean, in this broadcast, like where this is on, someone in the next apartment or wherever, some kid is going through this shit.

[1120] Have the courage to know about it That's all I ask people Have the courage to know about it And save the contemporary children So you don't have to deal with a much of fucking maniac Abuse Survivors when you go That's all And if anybody can diffuse the term James Brownscape guys coming in now If anybody can diffuse the term Trigger Warning You're the fucking guy Well thanks Jesus goddamn Christ stop We're gonna develop a nation of permanent children Like, if anybody can tell their story and doesn't need a fucking trigger warning, it's you.

[1121] And this idea, I don't need trigger warnings.

[1122] If you're going to show me something, show me something.

[1123] And if I don't want to see it, let me know what it is before you show me. Tell me what the, we all knew what the documentary was about.

[1124] No need a goddamn trigger.

[1125] This fucking term is disgusting.

[1126] It's a disgusting term.

[1127] It does damage.

[1128] It just sets people up to stay in the pit, you know, to wallow.

[1129] It's empowering them to wallow.

[1130] Like, well, I've got it hurt it again because the whole society.

[1131] It's like, sorry about that shit, man. But I'm telling you what, I know you're in a pit of your own shit.

[1132] I know you're used to the temperature.

[1133] And the smell of it, you're used to that.

[1134] And it doesn't bother you that much anymore.

[1135] But when you stand up and they fucking hose you off, and then you go in the house and take a real shower and put on some clean clothes, you're not going to believe how much better you feel.

[1136] So stop letting other people tell you that you have to expect the world to do the important.

[1137] possible, and that's be, like, telepathic about what the fuck you've been through.

[1138] Get to the point where you can stand up and tell them the story yourself when it's appropriate.

[1139] And don't put up with anybody who is truly being insensitive or snickering about any of the shit.

[1140] Fuck people who tell me, people walk up to me all the time and tell me, like, well, you know, the good thing is those guys get arrested, you know, and bubble ticket.

[1141] It's like, you're endorsing rape to me. You're fucking endorsing rape to me, motherfucker.

[1142] I don't want anyone raped ever.

[1143] Not even rapists.

[1144] Rape is illegal.

[1145] How about making jails lawful places?

[1146] How about that for an idea?

[1147] How about someone going to jail and realizing the law protects me sometime?

[1148] I'm not going to be raped.

[1149] I'm not going to be menaced here.

[1150] I'm going to, and maybe Dale will start thinking about getting reformed.

[1151] But Jesus Christ, don't joke to me about rape.

[1152] Don't tell me you want them all killed and sweep them under that rug because I was born without blood on my hands.

[1153] I don't want any fucking blood on my hands now, man. So don't guess these stupid -ass fucking lightweight things and presume I'm going to sign off on them because I don't I ever want anyone else ever raped and if it happens even if it's a rapist I'm opposed to it and I don't want them fucking killed either now I want them to live with what they did now this is a difficult this is a difficult thought and is a difficult subject but did you after this is all said and done horrendous moment in your life many moments in your life did you try to figure out what would create a person like the guy who did that to you yeah did you try i did how much time yeah and i can tell you what created him he was taken out of an abusive home he was put into foster care and abused many more times and he was gone and he was gone and he was gone and he was and he was succumbed by the agony i was put through by him i survived somehow i made it so call me lucky i'm not i didn't become him i didn't become what i was I didn't pass along the poison.

[1154] Maybe I did in some ways when I was difficult or whatever, but mostly I didn't.

[1155] Mostly when I'm mad, I'm mad because it's like Hendricks, a cry of love.

[1156] It's a cry of love that I make.

[1157] It's a cry of love.

[1158] It's like I don't want the innocent hurt anymore.

[1159] I don't want people victimized because of greed and cowardice and bullshit.

[1160] You know, I don't want that.

[1161] And so I do what I can to stand up to it.

[1162] Were there moments where you wanted to talk to him?

[1163] I would love to have talked to him.

[1164] I would love to talk to him to show him that I didn't become a monster like he was.

[1165] I would have almost become an advocate for him in the sense that, like, well, let me know if they're mistreating you in here.

[1166] But he died in prison.

[1167] No one claimed his body.

[1168] And I don't know where his grave is.

[1169] If I knew where his grave is, they'd go put fucking flowers on it.

[1170] Not for him, for me. The idea that someone could do that after someone did that to them seems insanely countered.

[1171] It's like if someone...

[1172] It's the only thing that saves you, but really saves you, really is redemptive and really saves you.

[1173] To me. It's one of the things that you covered in the film that I thought was in really a very powerful moment where you talked about this thing that you didn't become him, that you maybe if your sister didn't come down there and catch...

[1174] I could have been dead.

[1175] It was close, man. It was close.

[1176] But you also that you could have been one of them.

[1177] You could have been someone who...

[1178] And that would have been worse than death.

[1179] Yeah.

[1180] I would rather be a victim a thousand times than the perpetrator wants, and that's not any bullshit.

[1181] Did you contemplate the mechanism?

[1182] Did you try, have you tried to understand the mechanism that turns an abused person into an abuser?

[1183] What is that?

[1184] I don't think I'm as nuts and bolts as you, because I listen to you and I know how much, I mean, what detail you go into.

[1185] So I understand how and what you're asking, but I can't be, there's enough of me that.

[1186] it's been through enough that I can't be quite as thorough as you're asking me to be to answer that.

[1187] I get as close as I can, and I understand what happened.

[1188] But then after that point, I'm not one of them, and I can't go far enough to say, well, then, of course, if you get past this point right here, then obviously this is the, I can't do that.

[1189] That is what is too much for me. Well, you know, one of the reasons I was interested in making the movie was when Barry told me that the guy had died in prison.

[1190] I said, how'd that make you feel?

[1191] And he said, it made me sad.

[1192] And I said, because you didn't get any closure, you know, you didn't get to confront him.

[1193] And he said, no, he died alone.

[1194] And I was really blown away by that, and I thought, I should really make a movie about this.

[1195] No, I don't.

[1196] No, I No, I thought, I thought, well, this is like, you know, this is Jesus' stuff, you know, that's what this is.

[1197] Yeah.

[1198] And so, you know, that was what, that really did motivate me to make the movie, you know.

[1199] And so the movie was going to be a narrative with someone else playing Barry, and I thought about that for years.

[1200] He tried a stab at a script.

[1201] I tried, and it wasn't until, you know, Robin Williams was my pal, and he suggested I make it as a as a doc.

[1202] This was just February 2014.

[1203] And I said, I don't have any money.

[1204] He says, I'll give you some money.

[1205] You can start it because he was a fan of Barry's and he knew Barry's story.

[1206] So that's really how the movie came together.

[1207] It came together really fast.

[1208] I didn't realize how long it takes to make a doc, you know, because when I was at Sundance, other directors are going, yeah, we started seven years ago.

[1209] Seriously, I started four years ago.

[1210] And I was like, I started February.

[1211] And they didn't go, hey, all right.

[1212] They're like, hmm, I hope it's okay.

[1213] Well, good luck with that, Bob Scratch.

[1214] How difficult was it to even attempt to tell this story for you as a person who loves this guy?

[1215] And as we know, he's out of the room right now.

[1216] He was so instrumental.

[1217] He was the foundation of that whole community, which I think is so important to you and me. And help mold me, you know, because I met him when I was 16.

[1218] Right.

[1219] So it's, you know, making a movie that's not a work of fiction.

[1220] someone you love that you want them to like when it's done and you want people to like the movie and him for the same reason you like him it was hard it was it wasn't you know like people will talk about making a movie and they say that was hard no matter what i never think you know but but seeing that there's real people i don't want to embarrass anyone i don't want to i don't want to no i don't know you know i know i know and i was thinking about how hard i made your work It's like there's footage, you know, what the fuck am I going to do about that?

[1221] It's interesting.

[1222] Before this film came out, was there a time where you were trying to figure out how to tell your story?

[1223] No, I mean, I felt like I had told it a lot, and I felt like the trail was there, and people could find it.

[1224] This is like the dream that it gets told this way, but I didn't expect it.

[1225] I didn't presume it, and I was completely honored and flattered that it was done, and then it was done so well.

[1226] but you know i mean like part of me doesn't give a fuck about my story i mean i just like i like i've learned as i've learned i've learned not to take life personally you know i just i'm just part of it and so i don't expect it to stop for me and do it but it has in this sense because bob stopped it and got the footage and sequenced it and put it together and thought these brilliant ways to approach it and and then made this beautiful picture i mean really If it wasn't about me If it weren't about me, I mean, I would be out crusading to get people to watch this It just seems immodest at this point You know, because it's about me He made such a tremendous movie I mean, like, you know Well, there's a lot of folks I mean, Jeff Stranger the editor Clinton and Charlie are producing They're your people Right That you put together, you know Bradley Stone Seifer Who I got to see while I'm in town By the way, is he around?

[1227] I don't know We should figure that out How do you follow this?

[1228] We're doing a sequel.

[1229] I'm going to, yeah, call me greedy.

[1230] I'm going to, you know, I got a book coming and, um, uh, what's a book about?

[1231] A lot of essays and, and, and then a lot of quips.

[1232] It's sort of dedicated to generation text, you know, the people there are like, I, so, I mean, I'm trying to hang in there, but it's like I read this shit on it.

[1233] P -T -G -O -T -R -S -H -U.

[1234] Half hour later, I'm going to, like, putting on other shoe.

[1235] What the fuck?

[1236] You've got time to tell me you're putting on your other shoe, but you've got to, but you're in such a hurry.

[1237] You've got to abbreviate it, so I can't figure out what the fuck.

[1238] You say, so, and I have to be calm enough to try to convey this.

[1239] Okay, kids.

[1240] S -M -H is my least favorite.

[1241] What is that?

[1242] Shake my head.

[1243] Oh, fucking gross.

[1244] Yeah, no, and the whole, and the whole emoji thing.

[1245] I'm a grown man. It's like, come on.

[1246] I make smiley faces.

[1247] I'm so sorry.

[1248] I never do.

[1249] I do it.

[1250] I do to get him.

[1251] I do to wind him out.

[1252] Oh, they all send them to me. The whole crew.

[1253] Smiley face emoticon.

[1254] Yeah.

[1255] I sent one to my friend Paul and he's like, did you fucking send me a smiley face?

[1256] I actually, I actually text with enough women that I put smiley face emoticon on it.

[1257] I don't have any emojis, but I do look to dot dot smiley.

[1258] Every time I upgrade my phone, they put like a million more of these things on there and then I hit it by mistake.

[1259] I'm trying.

[1260] Barry just sent me a Christmas tree that's puking.

[1261] I don't know if he's happy or mad.

[1262] It's a drunk Christmas tree.

[1263] La, la, la, la, la. We're like, we're regressing.

[1264] Yeah, yeah, we're just communicating with hieroglyphs.

[1265] It's 100%.

[1266] A hundred percent.

[1267] I got a deer with an arrow in its face.

[1268] And a gun pointed at its head.

[1269] What the fuck does that mean?

[1270] Very depressed beer.

[1271] Guys wearing skins.

[1272] Yeah, suicidal emojis.

[1273] Like, how are?

[1274] Guns in emojis?

[1275] Yeah, they are.

[1276] They are in there.

[1277] Why are so many people communicating?

[1278] with guns and we need the ones we need you know the fart the pile of dog shit that's another one flat jolland hey can I do my Hercules thing on you can people see it what's your throw me this door throw me this daughter from boulder who is the fool now I ask you Joe Rogan what is that that's my that's my old Hercules movie bit oh is it like synchronized yeah but everybody no one they all do it now but I don't do it first I ask you I don't That's, I'm bombing It's more like Kung Fu movie stuff Well no, that was later Oh, it was later I mean This is pre that It was Hercules movies Nah Don't me just stuff Oh, who is the fool now Testicles I would get you Soon or later my friend You will come around And you'll understand The point of this joke Well on audio The vast majority of our listeners are just that listeners We'll maybe have like Less than 10 % Probably watch this Perfect It's better I love shit that doesn't work When you're when you're on upstate When you're when you're like So you go out and you do Has that too many beers Is that four beers?

[1279] Three is good Four is too many When you're in upstate And you go out You're doing these These gigs Are you performing on a regular basis?

[1280] No, no, but I will be.

[1281] I mean, regular basis is something.

[1282] Because that was a part of the film.

[1283] Someone was saying, like, I don't know how he makes money.

[1284] Like, someone was asking.

[1285] Steve Sweeney sends you in?

[1286] I'm about to.

[1287] I'm about to.

[1288] I have a great new Speakers Bureau called Kepler Speakers in New York.

[1289] If you want me to come talk to you, I will for a fee.

[1290] And I'm going out and doing a bunch of shows and getting ready.

[1291] And I would like to, you know, I think there might be like kind of a valedictory performance.

[1292] And then I might be kind of done.

[1293] You know, maybe just find a little spot, a little lady, settle down the country, and relax.

[1294] Do you have a desire to do stand -up again or stand -up sort of like too limited?

[1295] No, no, no, no, no. I'm happy to do stand -I.

[1296] I did it last night at the belly room of the comedy store.

[1297] It was fun.

[1298] And they were like, wow, you're allowed to do that?

[1299] Yeah, fuck, yeah, you are.

[1300] You know, so it was cool.

[1301] And I love doing stand -up.

[1302] And I love comics.

[1303] I mean, I fucking love comics.

[1304] They're my brothers and sisters.

[1305] and you know what I put a lot on the line for them they put a lot on the line for me and sometimes people like a lot of people come with me you're like I know I don't do what you do and it's like no I'm supposed to do what I'm supposed to do you're supposed and that's what I was saying to you before you figured out what you're supposed to do and you're so tremendous at it it makes my heart the kettle drums in my heart go don don don don don don don don't don't Joe Rogan la la da don't don't don't den don't don't don't dindon don la la da and i see his movie bob cackle through it don dund dund dund don't dund don't dund but for you that's why you fuckers got a few bucks buy me a kettle drum okay we'll get your kettle drum i'm gonna have one shipped upstate new york gonna take it on a fucking back of a 500 pound pig carried into a town down a dirt road so but my point is like are you gonna you're gonna tour I mean, is I going to say, and I will tell you, and you will pass it along to your people.

[1306] Is there a website that people could find out about what you're doing?

[1307] Barry Criminis .com just got completely renovated by my friends at Slab Media, Jim Infantino, Catherine Infantino, and Boston.

[1308] Today, we just launched the cleaned -up modern version of the website, because I added, like, a wood -burning website before this.

[1309] And it has a calendar where people look at that.

[1310] They will.

[1311] Sexy pitch.

[1312] Oh, there you go.

[1313] D -D -Dun -Dun -Dun -Don.

[1314] Distinguished beard.

[1315] Don't.

[1316] That's right.

[1317] That's right.

[1318] Okay, so there's an appearances thing, an account.

[1319] Look at it's a modern Facebook, Twitter, the whole deal, Instagram.

[1320] You got an Instagram?

[1321] Yeah.

[1322] I don't use it much, but I, Twitter's kind of perfect for me because I'm a pithy joke guy.

[1323] Right, right, right.

[1324] So they played right into, for once it came into my wheelhouse.

[1325] Stephen Wright would have been the awesome.

[1326] Mitch Headberg, Mitch Headberg and Stephen Wright.

[1327] Do you know what Stephen did when he was using Twitter a lot?

[1328] He wrote a book?

[1329] Yeah, yeah.

[1330] Yeah, yeah, he was writing a book on Twitter, what a funny prick.

[1331] What a funny trick.

[1332] Imagine getting to know him for all these years.

[1333] I mean, he's like, one of my dearest ones.

[1334] And we don't see each other that often when we do.

[1335] It's just like talk about just picking right up from where you were the last time.

[1336] And he came up and saw me out of nowhere.

[1337] That's why he knew in the movie, you know, when he says in the movie, it's like if Thoreau had a computer because he was there.

[1338] I mean, he drove out to see me from Massachusetts, just because he kind of wanted to get some context.

[1339] And then, you know, Stephen, he's so honest, and he's, oh, I'm so glad now in my head, I know where you are, you know, it's just so great, you know.

[1340] So he's back in Boston, Stephen Wright is?

[1341] Well, he lives there, but, you know, I mean, he goes out and does, you know, as many dates as he wants to.

[1342] He lives in Massachusetts.

[1343] I'm not sure.

[1344] He lives kind of on 120.

[1345] You know, I don't want to say exactly where he lives, but it's, oh.

[1346] up, you know, near the...

[1347] Not that far if you went to one of the...

[1348] Because he pissed off the juggalo's.

[1349] Hmm.

[1350] Did he?

[1351] No. Happens.

[1352] I keep hearing about the jugglers.

[1353] I did the gathering.

[1354] How was it?

[1355] It was as horrible as you'd imagine.

[1356] Yeah, I would imagine it would be amazing.

[1357] It was insane.

[1358] It was insane.

[1359] There's no security.

[1360] There's no lights.

[1361] There's no...

[1362] Just people selling bath salts and fighting and fighting and...

[1363] There's a video of a girl just pulling down her pants and a bunch of guys just fucking her at the...

[1364] Have you seen that one?

[1365] Well...

[1366] It's probably just one video of many.

[1367] The teal tequila footage where they ran out of Fago to throw at her because they spray each other with Fago Cola.

[1368] So they just knocked over the outhouses and just started throwing human shit at her.

[1369] Yeah, I stress human because like if you and I were walking on the street and you picked up some dog poo and hit me with it, I'd be mad, but later on we'd be pals we'd laugh it off I go dude what the fuck you hit me with dog shit but you know if it was like hobo duke that would be a deal breaker we wouldn't be pals anymore Juggalo shit in that blue liquid Hobo duke The hobo dukes That's a new band Old hobo duke's Tonight with Hitler's jism We are Hitler schism My opening act was Upchuck the clown And he's driving me around The grounds in a golf car And people are in the jugglers are getting out of the way, like, who are the millionaires?

[1370] You know, so this juggalo runs up, runs alongside the golf car, and then just starts punching the fuck out of Upchuk.

[1371] Oh, that's right.

[1372] You talked about it on the podcast.

[1373] It was a drive -by beating.

[1374] He just started whaling on him.

[1375] And he's like, fuck you, Upchuk, fuck you.

[1376] You know what really frosted my cake in this whole exchange was, I remember he was saying, you got nothing to worry about.

[1377] This is like a Dave Matthews concert.

[1378] And then he gets punched.

[1379] Well, so the idea that, like...

[1380] That's Upchuck the Conner.

[1381] With Jimmy Walker and Ron Jeremy.

[1382] Holy Father of Christ.

[1383] That's Joel.

[1384] Wow.

[1385] No, but like the idea that, like, I'll talk to Bobcat in the language he can understand.

[1386] It's like a Dave Matthews concert.

[1387] I'm like, I wouldn't go see Dave Matthews.

[1388] I think he's trying to say it's safe.

[1389] It's chill.

[1390] Yeah.

[1391] Dave Matthews conscious.

[1392] You know what?

[1393] I got to say this.

[1394] Crowd, they were really nice.

[1395] But then Upchuk got hit in the head with a can of Fago.

[1396] And they kind of slumped over the steering wheel unconscious.

[1397] And he's like, steer!

[1398] And so he wakes up.

[1399] And I'm steering with a semi -unconscious clown.

[1400] Oh, my God.

[1401] So, yeah.

[1402] I still can't get you to repeat.

[1403] Yeah, I don't think you remember that game show story from Australia.

[1404] Oh, I can't remember that story.

[1405] Soapy.

[1406] Oh, God, I wish you would do that.

[1407] I kept hitting this woman's buzzer.

[1408] I was on a game show.

[1409] And they go, and they're going, and they go, Sophie.

[1410] That was her name.

[1411] She was, oh, you touched the buzzer.

[1412] So he keeps hitting my buzzer.

[1413] I go, hey, lady, if you're going to lose, just lose.

[1414] Don't drag me into this.

[1415] Sobey.

[1416] Oh, man. It's great for Friday night here.

[1417] Unfortunately, it's Thursday, right?

[1418] What is this?

[1419] I love that you don't know what day it is.

[1420] I never know.

[1421] Yeah, Thursday.

[1422] I never know unless I have gigs.

[1423] I have two gigs tonight.

[1424] You have two gigs?

[1425] Do we be wrapping this up?

[1426] Yeah, I got one at the W and I got one at the comedy store.

[1427] but um what time you on at the comedy store 1045 okay yeah can you get me in man fuck yeah brother don't worry about it come on down keep drinking i'll take a little man will you in no you know what this is the end of the tour not to mention any other films i've been this is like the hundredth interview in 10 days or something it's like i can only imagine that was about your rape barry though it's right that's unfortunate you have to do press for these things but it's kind of a part of the thing right No, it's important, and I'm thrilled, and I'm so, again, I, how much, I mean, we just named the movie the right thing, because just to look at what this fucking guy has done for me. And he's had to, and he's also had a sort of, and I, there's times when I've milked the fact that I'm watching him treatment with kid gloves, and I'm going like, hey, you know, I may let this go on.

[1428] So August 7th is, it's going to be, it rolls out.

[1429] This Friday, and that'll be, that'll be, like, all across the country?

[1430] No, no, it'll be in New York.

[1431] They'll probably show you if you keep scrolling.

[1432] New York, D .C., Austin, here in L .A. Santa Ana.

[1433] IFC, New York.

[1434] Santa Ana.

[1435] Beverly Hills.

[1436] Washington, Angelica Poppa.

[1437] Vegas.

[1438] Yeah.

[1439] Okay, so it's all, call me luckymovie .com.

[1440] It's all available on the website.

[1441] Mr. Sean Bidgen, I say, you not.

[1442] I see you not.

[1443] We drop our teas in upstate New York.

[1444] I understand.

[1445] I understand.

[1446] Nah, George.

[1447] It's going to be available up there, too.

[1448] Look at that, Stitches.

[1449] Powerful stitches.

[1450] Oh, yeah.

[1451] That's where I did my first open mic.

[1452] Yeah.

[1453] Who hosted?

[1454] Jonathan Katz.

[1455] Oh, wow.

[1456] Yeah, it was pretty cool.

[1457] Good old John.

[1458] Love that guy.

[1459] He's in the movie?

[1460] Yeah.

[1461] Yes, he is.

[1462] When is it going to be available, like on iTunes and all that stuff?

[1463] It will become, like, it'll be on Netflix, the whole deal.

[1464] I think Netflix, yeah.

[1465] You know, most of my, actually, all my movies end up on digital platforms.

[1466] So unlike those movies, though, MPI, the folks putting it out, you know, believe and giving this one a little bit broader for theatrical run.

[1467] Nice.

[1468] Beautiful.

[1469] That's great.

[1470] Willow Creek was good, dude.

[1471] What did happen with that?

[1472] Did it do well?

[1473] It did well for me. It actually helped the same company that put that out said, when I said, hey, I want to make a movie about this guy, and it's about his child abuse.

[1474] They were going, fine.

[1475] It was really cool.

[1476] Wow.

[1477] So Robin had given us the money to start the beginning of it, And then MPI didn't, you know, they were cool, man. They've been really, they were very supportive of what I do.

[1478] That's awesome.

[1479] Barry Krimmins has been an honor.

[1480] Thank you, sir.

[1481] Thanks for being here.

[1482] Thanks for being you.

[1483] You, unbelievable.

[1484] I'm so honored to be on your show.

[1485] Bob, first interview I got hammered at, and out of 100, I apologize.

[1486] I don't apologize, but I was going to do it somewhere.

[1487] It's perfect.

[1488] I thought he's going to say, Bob.

[1489] I've had it.

[1490] Don't apologize.

[1491] You can take that sequel and shove it up your ass.

[1492] Now I'm hammered, and I'm not hammered, but I'm, you know.

[1493] You're up there a little bit.

[1494] I love you, man. And thanks.

[1495] You're the fucking greatest.

[1496] You're a beautiful person, Bob.

[1497] But, I mean, honestly, how much more, like a fucking, you know, active friendship is one thing.

[1498] A documentary of it is quite another.

[1499] Thank you very much.

[1500] I love your brother.

[1501] And I'm most appreciative.

[1502] And thank you so much for having me on Joe.

[1503] And I hope I get to come back and hang around and see what we, fucking skip off on.

[1504] Absolutely.

[1505] Anytime.

[1506] Come on back.

[1507] I'm so proud to know you.

[1508] My honor, sir.

[1509] Thank you very much.

[1510] All right, everybody.

[1511] We will be back, uh, what's today?

[1512] Thursday?

[1513] Wednesday?

[1514] Thursday?

[1515] We'll be back tomorrow.

[1516] All right.

[1517] Love you guys.

[1518] Bye.

[1519] Woo!