97 - The Hague

[0] This is exactly right.

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[15] Goodbye.

[16] Welcome.

[17] Welcome to my favorite murder.

[18] Why am I just repeating what you say?

[19] It's fun.

[20] It's like a...

[21] call and response.

[22] It's like this is a real thing.

[23] Me and I was making Nora, my niece.

[24] Nora, she's 10, do cheers with me. Oh my God.

[25] I love babies who cheers.

[26] There's nothing better.

[27] We have video.

[28] She used to do it when she was like four years old, but now she doesn't care.

[29] Now she's like into sports and stuff.

[30] But I was making her like in my dad's living room while he watched football and ignored us.

[31] I made her stand up and do cheers from high school.

[32] And it was making me laugh so hard.

[33] Oh my God.

[34] It was like, we had a good, we had a nice Thanksgiving.

[35] How was yours?

[36] It was great.

[37] We went with some friends to, because my mom and I aren't speaking, which is great.

[38] So I was able to just go to a fucking old school steakhouse with Vince and our friends.

[39] Oh, yeah.

[40] And have a nice time where I didn't have anxiety tax and go to the bathroom and need to breathe and take Xanax and drink a lot.

[41] I mean, I still drink a lot.

[42] Well, that's, but it was your choice.

[43] You didn't feel like you were trying to escape.

[44] No, I was feeling I was trying to be.

[45] like part of it yes that's good how is yours um it was great we i think i may have told you this but we uh basically revolted on my dad and we're like because normally we drive down into the bay area we go to daily city or we go to pacifica or some it's somewhere on the peninsula whatever we always go to our families and they all of them are in san francisco or south and this year my sister's like i'm so tired i'm so i like can barely move and i was like we don't have to go like aunt jo our family isn't going to be like how dare you they're not they're not like that yeah my mom is right i mean it can be pressure my dad is so we had to like since when did you give a shit about thanksgiving yeah there's no religion attached to it it's just fucking feeding the shit out of yourself but it's like it's a family it's a family time and yeah we had to my sister's the one i i'm saying we but she's the one that did all the putting the foot down but then we went to adrian's With her family, and it was super fun.

[46] Chill and fun.

[47] I love when sports are on.

[48] It's loud.

[49] And I love when fucking food is everywhere.

[50] Is there a baked free?

[51] I hope so.

[52] Sure was.

[53] Uh -uh.

[54] Yo, yeah.

[55] There were samosas because Adrian's mother -in -law is from Sri Lanka.

[56] Oh, my God.

[57] I fucking love that so much.

[58] I hung out with her a lot.

[59] Pushpa.

[60] She's one of my favorite people.

[61] She's the one that when Nora, when Nora was five, she asked Nora what she wanted to be when she grew up.

[62] Nora said, I want to be a cheerleader.

[63] and Pushpa said, don't be a cheerleader, be a doctor.

[64] And, you know, does that impression and says it all the time.

[65] A lot of badass women in our neck of the woods.

[66] Don't be a cheerleader.

[67] Well, I'm looking forward to, I'll be in Vegas.

[68] To a faraway train.

[69] For a faraway train.

[70] We're going to Vegas for Christmas.

[71] Nice.

[72] I'm excited about.

[73] And fuck it.

[74] The rest of the month, fuck it.

[75] You get, holidays should be a holiday.

[76] they really should yeah we want to Vince and I are talking about how we can um show up at the family Hanukkah party like ridiculously so like one thing is that we get a Hummer limo for just the two of us and have it weighed outside the whole night yeah and then I walk in wearing that amazing uh dress that has yours in my face all over my god here's that from again oh like who made it no but it's like someone made it and it's a website oh it can get it and a couple girls have worn it to the meat and greet there is nothing more disorienting so weird and amazing then somebody walking up with a because it's not like pictures or whatever no it's like one step further where someone has made material yeah of our faces and then knives and cats and like all the things that we like knives and cats it's so banana so I want to wear that to the honica party good idea and then that you're just going to burn all the bridges at one time yeah with one fell swoop yep one swale foop.

[77] A fell swoop.

[78] A swell foop.

[79] Well, I was going to tell you at Thanksgiving, because now everybody knows my once secret passion that's now a very public passion of loving true crime, there was someone that had a Charles Manson story.

[80] He died.

[81] We don't care.

[82] The end.

[83] Yes, but somebody at our Thanksgiving dinner, when he was just by chance, met Charles Manson, like walking through.

[84] a jail knew someone that was in a holding cell he was like a teenager and they had been they'd been messing around and whatever and he like shook charles manson's hand and it was when the cops had arrested him for like stealing car parts but they didn't know that the tate la bianca murders had just happened wait so they why did he shake his hand then because it was just the guy he was talking to in the cell was like hey why are you here why are you here it was one of those things and then they're like laughing it was both of them were just like oh it's this dumb misdemeanor like no big deal and then but the guy in the cell goes oh this is charlie and then the guy at our dinner like shook his hand it was like oh hey how's it going that is fucking bananas and not a lot of people have a story like that it was awesome and also the guy that told the story is a really good storyteller yeah real casual very petaluma yeah like let just little bits out here and there exactly draws you in and all this but also very like he's very much himself so it was like you could see him doing it he was i think at the time and it wasn't like a story he told all the time and he was like bragging about it was like oh yeah in fact i'm i wonder if i'm allowed to even be telling this right now that i think about his name out and then we'll move on bleep his name and relation out stephen cut that don't cut it just stephen bleep that bleep it that's a new one um Stephen bleep that yes um I want to talk to you about well so they caught this a confrontation yeah I want to talk to about your problem I've been wanting to talk to you no more macaroni and cheese no please order the macaroni and cheese balls that they do now like a deep fried macaroni and cheese do you know what I ate the night oh god was it the of Thanksgiving, oh my God.

[85] After we went to fucking this crazy steakhouse, ate this crazy meal, we went and drank the rest of the night.

[86] You know you'd like eat at 4 o 'clock Thanksgiving.

[87] Yeah.

[88] So by the time we get home at like 11 or whatever, Vince and I are hungry again and drunk.

[89] Yes.

[90] And so we made a Stoufers French Red pizza.

[91] Hell yes.

[92] And fucking frozen mac and cheese.

[93] Yes.

[94] The night of Thanksgiving.

[95] Stoufers?

[96] No. It might have been like Trader Joe's or something.

[97] But still, some nice oven mac and cheese.

[98] Yeah, I'm not fucking here to talk about Stoufers.

[99] I'm here to just talk about their French Red pizza, which is my fucking favorite thing ever.

[100] Yes.

[101] That's an American classic that is totally unsung.

[102] People like to talk about, I don't know, apple pie and Chevroletes.

[103] Yeah, or like fancy pizza.

[104] Fucking a pizza that someone was like, look old bread.

[105] We're going to put tomato sauce and cheese on it.

[106] And, like, weird little triangles of the saltiest best pepperoni you've ever had.

[107] That's like, don't come out with the fucking Supreme.

[108] Don't come out with the fucking cheese.

[109] I want those fucking tiny triangles of pepperoni.

[110] That bring, it's immediately bring me back to, like, spending the night at someone else's house where I'm like, my parents would never let us eat this for a dinner.

[111] Definitely.

[112] Suddenly, you're at a parent's house where they're like, Coke out of a can at the table and a stover's French bread pizza.

[113] What the fuck?

[114] Oh, my God.

[115] That's so true.

[116] It's so exciting.

[117] It's like a total celebration.

[118] Yeah.

[119] Or it also is like, you're eight, you've been left home alone, you've been given directions, turn the stove on, then turn the stove off.

[120] Yeah.

[121] Don't burn down the house.

[122] We'll be back at 11.

[123] My, yeah.

[124] 11.

[125] They need to party harder than that.

[126] Well, that's what they'd say, but you'd be asleep by the time they came back at 2.

[127] Right.

[128] They're like, we came home at 11.

[129] And we were totally sober.

[130] Okay.

[131] So then speaking of serial killers, they, which Manson wasn't, it was just a, he was just a fucking bastard.

[132] He was like a drug dealer.

[133] Piece of shit.

[134] The Florida, the Tampa, Summinal Heights serial killer, they think they caught him.

[135] Oh, right.

[136] Are they 100 % that it's him?

[137] It's pretty fucking certain.

[138] I'm 100 % that is him.

[139] I am too.

[140] So that must be right.

[141] Because if you tell me something once on social media, it is locked law in my head forever.

[142] Karen doesn't want to hear more than 140 fucking character.

[143] about it?

[144] Actually, 10 is fine.

[145] 10's fine.

[146] Just be like they caught him.

[147] Great.

[148] And she'll, and they don't even have to say who it is.

[149] She'll believe.

[150] No, but I'm not interested in his business.

[151] That's not in my business, what his name is.

[152] Not interested.

[153] Well, I'm looking forward to seeing how that unfolds.

[154] If he worked in the fucking Popeyes at any point, the fact that he did work into McDonald's, but gives me hope.

[155] Hold on though.

[156] Did he work at McDonald's or was he arrested at McDonald's?

[157] Both.

[158] He had worked at McDonald's before and he was arrested at that McDonald's.

[159] But we don't know about Pop -I's, that's just from our email.

[160] So we had an email a couple of episodes back where these girls were like, we got an Uber car, an Uber car.

[161] And the driver was like, I think I drove the serial killer.

[162] He had worked at Popeyes.

[163] Right.

[164] So the fact that he had worked at one fast food place makes me think that he had maybe had a job at another fast food place at some point in his life.

[165] Also, if he really was a serial killer, he could have worked McDonald's, but that was his cover.

[166] Like, he thought, oh, I'll lie and say work at Popeyes, and they'll never catch me. Or maybe, because if the McDonald's, if I'm remembering correctly, that he wasn't a McDonald's employee anymore, he had to have another job, and maybe it was, like, currently a fucking Popeye's employee.

[167] That's right, because if he has the experience of dropping those fries for three minutes, pulling them back out, salting them as, and I would encourage you to salt them thoroughly, because what's more heartbreaking than fresh McDonald's French fries that are all ready and you're like oh i shouldn't be doing this i'm doing it and then you stick one in your mouth and there's no salt or very little salt i don't think that's ever happened to me at mcdonald's it hasn't no it's happened to me a couple times i have good french by luck fuck i have the worst because also i'm like i shouldn't be doing this right and you're like well now i have to fucking double down and put the salts on myself yeah or you get like older ones just like they've been around no nope listen this is the episode called let's talk about john food this is the episode called sure you want to hear about serial killers but we want to talk about how french fries break down and we just realized that we're hungry and maybe that's the problem i've had a bowl of fucking raisin brand for dinner tonight oh that's good and half a vodka soda oh you've got your fiber mommy is full you've got your fruit did you put a little lime in there good fucking citrus no scurvy for you gal okay here's a fun part speaking of Tampa We put the Florida episode up last, Orlando episode up last week, right?

[168] Yes, yes.

[169] Because we were like, we're Thanksgiving, goodbye.

[170] Yeah, exactly.

[171] We're out of town.

[172] And I would just like to say, I am fresh off the highway five driving for fucking six hours to get back down here.

[173] Straight to the record, straight to Georgia's house.

[174] Love it.

[175] Thank you.

[176] No, no. Sacrifice.

[177] I know that's not.

[178] I'm not.

[179] More of an excuse for my performance.

[180] Okay.

[181] Okay, so in the episode of Orlando, I did Eileen Warnow's.

[182] Yes, you did.

[183] And at one point, we mentioned Lando Lakes, Florida.

[184] Yes.

[185] At which point, we kind of both admitted that we lost our shit because it's like, wait, that's really a place that was just a butter.

[186] We thought it was just a fucking, it's not a condiment.

[187] What is it?

[188] It's a dairy product.

[189] Dairy product.

[190] We both lost our shit.

[191] We got stars truck about butter.

[192] Yeah, two things.

[193] One, it turns out, I just want to go ahead and say it turns out it's actually a very made in Minnesota.

[194] Right.

[195] But there's more than one land of lakes.

[196] Right.

[197] But there is a land of lakes.

[198] Okay.

[199] The other thing is I was doing my fucking normal Etsy late night scrolling.

[200] And this thing randomly popped out that was like maybe Etsy thinks she might like this.

[201] And I was like, well, I'm going to buy that for Karen immediately.

[202] And give it to you a month before Christmas because I can't fucking wait that long.

[203] No chill whatsoever.

[204] Are you ready for this?

[205] Is it a stick of butter from Etsy?

[206] I'm actually pulling it from behind the couch cushions right now.

[207] So if it was a stick, of butter for Betsy.

[208] Oh, this butter smells.

[209] It's vintage.

[210] Okay, ready?

[211] Yes.

[212] Georgia.

[213] It's a, it's a fucking vintage, like, serving tray with the whole land of lakes theme, seemingly take a photo up and post it on with Karen's face.

[214] My God.

[215] No, don't include my face or body.

[216] Your hair.

[217] Your hair looks amazing.

[218] Hair up.

[219] I'm going to go like this.

[220] Hair up.

[221] I've just invented the new selfie for ladies over 45 yeah who have been driving for eight fucking hours there it is we'll put it on on Instagram this time we promise we always say we will but isn't that amazing okay can I just tell you first of all this is gorgeous yeah it's a gorgeous tray like it's very solid it doesn't look I mean it's clearly vintage but it's perfect quality yeah and then why am I telling you how much how cheap it was it's $1 .00 no but it's a beautiful picture yeah like I want to to hang this on the wall like a picture i know but then on top of it this every time we go to an antique store when we're on the road these you pick these up i do every time you pick up a decorative tray oh shit a tech decorative tin triangle oh i could i could fit it no i have room and then like you like argue with yourself and with vince yeah we isn't this perfect and he's like what where what for and then you put it back down but this is your favorite I guess that's my thing.

[222] And you got me your favorite thing.

[223] Because I thought it was so funny.

[224] I fucking love it.

[225] All right, I'm taking it back.

[226] Noah.

[227] Also, taking it back.

[228] Also, thank you.

[229] Yeah.

[230] And I love that this is like the girl, the, uh, it's not supposed to be Pocahontas herself, is it?

[231] I don't know.

[232] It's just a representative young Indian, um, yeah, it's like a Native American, a native, sorry, Native American.

[233] No, whatever, young, we all know who.

[234] the Land -a -Lakes Butter girl is.

[235] Woman.

[236] But.

[237] Cut all of this.

[238] She's holding her own package of Land -A -Lake's butter.

[239] With the same image on it.

[240] Yes.

[241] It's the picture within the picture.

[242] Oh, my God, I'm freaking out.

[243] It's the fucking, what's it called?

[244] What was that great movie?

[245] Not The Matrix.

[246] Inception.

[247] Inception.

[248] Thank you, Stephen.

[249] Inception.

[250] We're inceptioning Land -A -Land -Ake style.

[251] I would love, we should do a heavy drug.

[252] Okay.

[253] And then just go into this picture.

[254] You don't have to go on.

[255] okay and then stare until we're in the picture this is so good thank you so much yeah i love it i'm genuinely excited and then if i can continue to fucking hold the floor please can i mention so we're in the pod loft again for the hold that floor are you um what's that called when they do that in the republican senate when they uh oh like when you pee out in front of everybody what's it called uh bad mash billbuster Yes.

[256] Yes.

[257] I'm billabessering.

[258] Great.

[259] Because we're back in the pod loft after like months because over Thanksgiving break, my one thing of like, Vince, we have to do is we have to clean up the pod loft.

[260] It's great.

[261] And so in one of the boxes, we found this painting by this girl.

[262] Okay, this painting I want to talk about it.

[263] I have to redo this thing.

[264] So it's a painting of like a, like a charcoal drawing of Elvis, my cat.

[265] It's a little wonky and weird, but at the same time, it's kind of, like, artistic and gorgeous.

[266] It's gorgeous.

[267] And I was like, did that get sent in the mail?

[268] Yeah.

[269] And I had, like, it was a big package, so I just thrown it upstairs at, like, I don't know how long ago, a while ago.

[270] Yes.

[271] And Vince was like, what's this?

[272] I don't know.

[273] We opened it.

[274] I was like, oh, shit.

[275] So then just, like, read me the card, and it says to all of us, blah, blah, blah.

[276] Thank you for the Minneapolis show.

[277] She was there with her two favorite murderinos, Hannah and Ashley, all excited, blah, blah, blah.

[278] And then it says, I wanted to give you this red watercolor of Elvis.

[279] I have no artistic talent at all.

[280] My husband, on the other hand, got drunk as fuck in our backyard one night and I woke up to this masterpiece.

[281] No. Are you serious?

[282] Yeah, there was no question it had to be yours.

[283] I tried to get him to do one of Frank and George, but I think Elvis was his cross -eyed muse.

[284] Thanks again.

[285] SSDGM, Carrie.

[286] That's amazing.

[287] Isn't that great?

[288] It's really great.

[289] I know.

[290] It has a kind of, um, uh, Monet.

[291] This is, it could be Mooney.

[292] It could be mani.

[293] Uh, Maudelaney.

[294] You know, that one with the lady with the blue eyes that has the crazy long face.

[295] Look, we'll fucking post this one as well.

[296] Shit.

[297] Look at us posting shit.

[298] Oh, no. This is good.

[299] I love it.

[300] You know what?

[301] I don't think I ever thanked.

[302] Remember the woman who gave me that amazing painting in it may have also been in Minneapolis.

[303] There's a lady and I believe her name is Clarissa.

[304] I've had the thank you note on my desk and I hung that picture.

[305] It's hanging in my living room.

[306] It's the amazing one, right?

[307] It's the one that's it's basically a it's a green rolling hills and then a blue sky but it's that progressive.

[308] I have to tell you how jealous I was when I saw that and she like gave it because it's so beautiful.

[309] So beautiful.

[310] And it's, the frame is beautiful.

[311] Yeah.

[312] Like, it's a very lovely thing.

[313] And she basically, the note was like, basically, it sounds like you're getting tired of murder.

[314] So I painted this for you so you.

[315] So you can just look at something else.

[316] It's so nice.

[317] It's so lovely.

[318] And I don't think I ever thanked her.

[319] And I hope to fucking God her name is Clarissa.

[320] But I'm almost positive is because I have the thank you note on my desk.

[321] But anyway, thank you.

[322] Clarissa, Asterix.

[323] I'll fix it next week if your name is not Clarissa.

[324] But also, I love it so much.

[325] I mean, I told her.

[326] It is stunning.

[327] We had a whole conversation face to face, but.

[328] Yeah, it was gorgeous.

[329] It was really cool.

[330] We love art. Hey, listen.

[331] Art is our fucking thing.

[332] We're into it.

[333] This podcast loft is not big enough for everything.

[334] We're going to have to buy a fucking bigger house.

[335] It's so cool.

[336] You guys, you wouldn't believe how many needle point got fuck yourselves are up on these walls.

[337] Well, those two bins are full of art that I need to go.

[338] We need to go through and hang.

[339] So it's going to take a photo once we're done with that.

[340] And then on the other side of the wall, there's just wrestling memorabilization.

[341] from Vince.

[342] It's the perfect combination.

[343] So great.

[344] Boys and girls.

[345] Speaking of memorabilia, God, I'm just fucking acting like this is my podcast.

[346] No, no, no, you're fine.

[347] You know what it is?

[348] You're thinking of great segways.

[349] Okay.

[350] That's all it is.

[351] That was sarcastic.

[352] Oh.

[353] Memorabilia.

[354] Merch.

[355] Hey, we have new merch.

[356] We have our holiday design designed by our friend Kirsten Bencoma, who's fucking awesome.

[357] We had two designs.

[358] last year it's like supposed like ugly holiday sweater style but it's actually really cute yeah and then we have a new one uh up this year so you can get that what's the new one it's the uh here's the thing fuck everyone no okay here they think fuck everyone stay sexy don't get murdered and then one that says something else uh and then 15 % of all of that merch is for the end of the year when we take it down is going to rain which is stands for rape and abused abuse, incest, networks.

[359] Yes.

[360] Something network.

[361] Oh, what else do you have?

[362] Oh, I don't know if we're not probably going to do it on this episode.

[363] I can't remember if we said we're going to do it separately.

[364] But my sweet Audrina is our book club.

[365] We fucked that up because Jesus fucking Christ.

[366] There's no way anyone, I'm sure people, there's definitely people who could have finished that book in like a day or two.

[367] I'm certainly not one of those people.

[368] people.

[369] Well, I got mine late.

[370] I'm not going to fucking name the girl on Etsy who sent it out very fucking late and very fucking slowly.

[371] I read a couple pages and I was like, well, this is kind of boring, right?

[372] And then I accidentally spoiled it and read what happens and I'm like, oh, I don't want to read this.

[373] Well, yeah, I forgot about the fact that it is an incredibly problematic and triggering book for many people.

[374] And it is from a time in the 80s where everybody pretended things like that didn't happen in real life so you could read a book about it and oh my god.

[375] I'm like shocked and odd.

[376] Exactly.

[377] Can we quickly switch to flowers in the attic?

[378] No. Because it's the exact same thing.

[379] There's no difference.

[380] Well, they're choosing to bone.

[381] There's like a rate.

[382] No, they've been locked in an attic for years.

[383] Yes.

[384] They have no choice.

[385] That's true.

[386] But yes, you're right.

[387] It's not sexual fucking assault that's been strangely romanticized.

[388] it's well well spoiler alert oh shit but well no that comes out in the first beginning but here's the thing i think it would be fun still to read a dumb book and talk about it because i was i have gone through so many emotions of trying to read that book the phrase the first and best audrina right that's creepy as if you pulled that phrase out of the book it the book would only be 112 pages long it is repeated so many times oh and that's fuck cousin of hers who were like obviously it's not her cousin like we could like I mean like shit that you know now and you didn't know when you were 12 I've just really really been enjoying the photos people are posting of their copy because no one has a new copy it's the best and like people are taking photos with their cats and they're this and then the like comments of like um I can't you know the like how the fuck did I read this at 11 years old yes what the fuck yes this is why I'm this way It's been really amusing.

[389] It's hilarious.

[390] Also, there is an aspect to it that I think is almost introductory.

[391] If you want to be a writer and you're nine or 11 or whatever, hopefully not nine, hopefully you're 12, you're in a weird junior high area.

[392] And you find that book on your mom's shelf.

[393] Oh, my God.

[394] And you start reading that book.

[395] You are like, this is dramatic writing at its finest.

[396] It's one of those things, too, where it's like when you found the map of where Dommer hit the, bodies.

[397] Gacy.

[398] You say to yourself, oh, I've been lied to by adults and there is this life that I didn't understand and then you can't stop obsessing about it.

[399] Yes.

[400] That's like what those books are for 12 year old, 11 year old girls.

[401] Because up until you read a VC Andrews book, you are sold the bill of goods that boys, if you just figure out the right thing to say or wear or wait to be your prettiness.

[402] And love is love and sex is sex.

[403] They will love you.

[404] you and the end.

[405] This is like, there's also intense, horrible violence on women.

[406] And then you're like, sorry, wait, what?

[407] Like, I'm barely getting the romance part.

[408] And now we're going to do something.

[409] It's also like the sad thing of like you marry who, like the mother marries this dude and she's unhappy.

[410] And it's like, oh, you can do that.

[411] Okay.

[412] And then I'll never get married until in 36.

[413] It seems as a kid reading it, you're like, this, these are all solvable problems.

[414] like why don't you just just break up yeah talk about it name your kid sarah instead of adrina your second one i mean and there's all kinds of like there's still incestuous overtones it's just not the direct flowers in the attic type of stuff i mean i do the descriptions of her and her daddy sitting in the raw and sometimes it got terrifying or something yes and it's like hang on what it's not it doesn't okay i'm going to keep reading Imagine in this day and age.

[415] Also, I will say this, I will admit this, and some people did this, and they said they were cheating.

[416] I don't think it's cheating, though, because that book, here's the fun of it.

[417] I had it at my sister's house, so every night we'd all go to bed.

[418] Did you read it to Nora?

[419] No. Every night we'd go to bed and I'd read Nora to sleep.

[420] How incredible would that be?

[421] Literally, Lydia, literally Nora just started the Laura Ingalls Wilder series.

[422] That's how nowhere near this she is.

[423] but I would go home and then I'd go oh yeah I've that dumb book to read and then I would get kind of excited but yeah me I got me I got a hard back copy with a big plastic cover that I was using as the bookmark that every night I would fall asleep while I was reading it because it's the same roughly the same 11 sentences over and over again for 200 pages so I would it would literally drop out of my hand and I would be asleep with the light on and I would wake up at 3 in the morning like what the fuck I love it and I would lose my place every night so I have read read the first 50 pages like it's like one step forward two steps back every night so yeah that's a problem there's a lot in there but so on the wood drive down I bought the audio book so I could like fill it in a little bit and I have to say the audio book is incredibly enjoyable the woman reading it is doing a great job of being all these crazy people I never read books but this time I was like I am obligated to buy a vintage copy and read this.

[424] Yes.

[425] That didn't sound right.

[426] I never have time to read books.

[427] Right.

[428] I don't know how to read.

[429] I hate books.

[430] I hate words.

[431] Just like Hitler.

[432] Okay.

[433] Audio book, everyone.

[434] I mean, sorry.

[435] You know what?

[436] You have that in your fucking bookcase now and everyone's going to admire it in your bookcase.

[437] Doesn't matter.

[438] Well, and also, I think there's probably people who love it and are sitting there going, are you guys fucking crazy?

[439] This book was awesome.

[440] There's just so many ways.

[441] is to take this book in.

[442] This is why you have a book club.

[443] I want to argue with those people right now.

[444] But also, I have that thing.

[445] That's right.

[446] This is why you drink wine and sit in a circle.

[447] Because it shouldn't be a one direction.

[448] This should be, wait, let's pause and let them say what they think about the book.

[449] Go.

[450] Nope.

[451] I'm sorry.

[452] I need to stop you right there.

[453] You're totally wrong.

[454] I apologize, but I know I'm interrupting you.

[455] Does anyone need anything?

[456] Does anyone need crackers?

[457] Gluten free?

[458] Gluten free crackers.

[459] Oh, my God.

[460] Thank you so much for making that appetizer.

[461] Yes.

[462] Fill in your name here.

[463] Blake's Brie.

[464] Everyone loves a blaked brie.

[465] I love Blake Lively's Brie.

[466] She makes the best kind.

[467] Oh my God.

[468] She needs to get on that.

[469] You're welcome.

[470] I want to say really quickly, we have one last set of shows.

[471] Sorry, I'm going to sidebar this.

[472] Okay.

[473] I just want to say, I'm going to keep on reading my sweet Adrina.

[474] I'm sorry.

[475] And I'm going to keep on talking about my sweet adrina.

[476] I'm there with you.

[477] Okay, great.

[478] Awesome.

[479] And also listening.

[480] Listen to a new podcast.

[481] My sweet, my favorite sweet adrina.

[482] this the best and first i'll dream my favorite vc andrews the best and sweet my first vc andrews favorite with lando lakes you just put your hands in the tray the tray was next me and i decided i need to put the tray on my own posing with it it's pretty great it's so good oh you are she's posing like the landa lakes uh native american woman now it's three her it's holding it and now i'm well if you look really closely in the package there's probably a picture there's probably a picture of her there is it's on this tray there's four Native American women holding this thing okay bye late show Kansas City late show on December 9th it's a Saturday it's our last weekend of tours for the year and there's a few seats left for the late show good I think that's it great right yeah that was two weeks worth of yeah we caught everyone up yeah who goes first this week based on our new algorithm of who should go first this week in my opinion yeah yours is going to be better purely because i slept today yeah you slept today you didn't do six hours of driving and you didn't write it quickly mine is more of a uh yeah i think you should go first plus all i've seen you eat in the past three hours that you've been here is peach gummies from the gas station from the gas station i don't know how you're surviving off of that I had at least some raisin, nice raisin brand.

[483] You had a nice bowl of raisin brand.

[484] I had a hamburger on the highway.

[485] What kind?

[486] Burger King.

[487] Okay.

[488] That's good.

[489] Here's the thing that's a little worrisome to me. I mean, we all know Russia's invading this country.

[490] Oh, yeah, yeah.

[491] So that's worrisome overall.

[492] Yes.

[493] Like, we're not trying to belittle any of the problems.

[494] One little thing in Karen's mind is.

[495] Is that we, this is a red dawn, very slow, quiet red dawn situation that we're in right now.

[496] Okay.

[497] um but but on top of that driving down the five i have every exit memorized because i've been doing it for over 20 years yeah so it's like i know i'm like do i want do i feel like a foster's freeze situation or am i just gonna go subway coming up yes do my do i need to go clean and light and not get depressed or do i not give a fuck and is this my time to shine yeah whatever exit after exit everything is closed abandoned the foster freeze is abandoned no yeah that's creepy there's hotels that are abandoned i haven't taken that drive in a long time it's fucking and also a shit ton of the trees those almond farmers a lot of those they're abandoned farmers the trees are they had to stop because the water got cut off because of the drought so there's entire like uh groves of trees that are dead and pushed over and then the fosters freeze has fucking graffiti on it.

[498] End of days.

[499] It's nutso.

[500] Fucking end of days, people.

[501] Guys, we can't, all the money's at the top, it needs to come back down.

[502] It's literally nutso because we're talking about almond trees.

[503] We got to rise up.

[504] All right, go ahead.

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[533] So the other night, I was falling asleep to my audio book that I always fall asleep to.

[534] It's either some space fucking story or.

[535] space jam yes I was thinking that too the soundtrack to space jam or whoever fights monsters yes that book we love the best falling asleep couldn't fall asleep listening and I was like wait what's this about this case had you never heard of it before I think I'd heard about it like some people on the Facebook group had written about it here and there so I'd maybe heard about it and also Mind Hunter even though the show there's like a couple cases that are similar.

[536] It's not one of them.

[537] But I was like intrigued.

[538] Let's up.

[539] Let's do this.

[540] So in June of 1973, the Yeager family of Farmington, Michigan, they go camping at a campground in Montana's Waterhead State Park.

[541] It's near the small town of Manhattan, Montana, right?

[542] Yeah.

[543] It's their first trip, or sorry, it's their first stop on a month -long trip.

[544] They're going like, we're going to fucking.

[545] And this is our first, like, family camping trip and we're going to drive and all the shit, all the fun stuff that is fun when you're a kid.

[546] So that night, the parents tuck their five children into the kids' tent.

[547] Oh, no. Uh -huh.

[548] Just those words alone.

[549] But three are teenagers.

[550] Three of their kids are teenagers.

[551] And then two are grade schoolers.

[552] So they're like, great.

[553] They're together.

[554] They're safe.

[555] They should be safe, right?

[556] Yep.

[557] They fucking should be.

[558] Yeah.

[559] And also it's the 70s where not only are they together and safe, but some people would be like, yeah, this, you can leave them alone for four months.

[560] Uh -huh.

[561] Give them a pack of cigarettes, a carton, maybe.

[562] You're all good, yeah.

[563] So that morning around 4 a .m., one of the teens in the tent, this Heidi Yeager wakes up and notices that her little sister, seven -year -old Susie, is not in the tent any longer.

[564] And not only that, there's a fucking slugher.

[565] slash through the side of the tent.

[566] No. Uh -huh.

[567] And there's a hook hand hanging on the top of the fuck.

[568] This is like, this is urban myth shit.

[569] Uh -huh.

[570] Uh, she fucking flips out, wakes her parents up.

[571] Uh, no one in the tent, none of her siblings had hurt a freaking thing they had just were fast to sleep.

[572] Uh, authorities are called.

[573] Go ahead.

[574] I just wanted to say the first thing I, I, I just, somebody slowly slashing that tent open.

[575] quietly a little rip of the fucking fibers quietly and slowly not it wasn't a quick fast one so much scarier than a fast one i didn't think of that and now i want to cry yeah me too okay and turn around there's a fucking wall mural of a fucking forest behind you like where they were camping fuck okay oh my god okay authorities are called like in the like immediately they find footsteps leading away from the tent um and the so the FBI is called because So at the time, the FBI would only get involved in kidnapping cases if it was a possibility that they were taken across state lines, which is fucking bananas.

[576] So they're called because maybe that was going to be a thing.

[577] I don't know.

[578] And then ensues the biggest search at the time in Montana history.

[579] They fucking drug the river bottom.

[580] They had helicopter circling.

[581] They did all this crazy ship, but Susie could not be found.

[582] one like i think a couple days later one random call like ransom call came in oh but saying we want this i want this we want this much money we'll give her back we'll call back with details but no call was ever come no call it came back just the one call just the we'll call you about the ransom nothing came back so almost a year later the case is fucking stalled and special agent pete dunbar he is an agent in the in the FBI's Montana office, he's attending a training session led by Howard Teton and Patrick Malaney.

[583] These two dudes are developing the FBI's newly formed behavioral science unit.

[584] Oh, hell yeah.

[585] Hi.

[586] That's right.

[587] Hello, Mind Hunter.

[588] Hi.

[589] You guys are the ones that are thinking that maybe all these guys have something in common.

[590] Right.

[591] Maybe if we study and interview thousands of murders and murderers, we'll get something.

[592] yeah so before the units even was created there's not a lot known about criminal profiling and their goal was to bring a public awareness to the psychology of murder and behavioral analysis this agent dunbar dude is like please take a look at this case we need your help which is like so big of him because back then there were so few i feel like that was not a thing where you like asked for help from other no there's a huge deal right that's why in that show that was those parts were so good because it would be like they would come to talk about one thing, then it would be the guy that would hang behind and be like, can I ask you up?

[593] They all did.

[594] It was almost like they had to make sure no one knew.

[595] It was like emasculating by asking for help.

[596] Right, right.

[597] Okay.

[598] So this, although Teton and Mullaney have been studying this stuff for a long fucking time, this turns into the first real case where they get to use their behavioral analysis.

[599] Oh.

[600] So this is the first case where this is used in real.

[601] life.

[602] IRL, as they would say later.

[603] L -O -L.

[604] L -O -L, IRL, FBI, OMG.

[605] Crazy.

[606] Okay.

[607] So the three of them together, the three agents, they profile the case based on their studies and come to the conclusion that whoever had taken Susie, so this is their profile of him.

[608] They come upon the family during a habitual night prowl and impulsively took her by cutting through the tent.

[609] So it was not planned, but he was doing his like fucking round.

[610] of maybe he'd spot an opportunity enacted he appeared to be they thought he was a young white male a loner lived not far from the campsite so a local they thought he had military experience because the fact that he fucking broke into this tent and pulled a person out without anyone hearing it is so stealth it's creepy yeah um and he had killed before and possibly since oh this is like a year after her kidnapping.

[611] And then they were like, listen, Susan's, Susie's probably dead, too, that they were like, this is part of it.

[612] And that they said that he also probably collected trophies from the victim.

[613] So before these two had been called in, an informant had called and suggested that his neighbor, David Meierhofer, should be looked at.

[614] It was his neighbor.

[615] He's fucking creepy like one of those like this guy's weird you should look at him which usually we scoff at because we're like weirders are not killers yeah um so david meerhoffer is a 23 -year -old vietnam vet who agent dunbar actually knew personally he said quote david was well -groomed courteous and exceptionally intelligent he was the gentlest of persons to oh murderer right yeah i mean it's not a good sign look and he was innocent moving on to the real suspect yeah No, I'm not doing that.

[616] You know that's not how it works on law and order.

[617] They, so the local FBI law enforcement had questioned David and that he was, he was polite, well -dressed, really helpful.

[618] So they didn't think it was him.

[619] He had even taken a polygraph test and taken truth serum and had fucking passed both flying fucking colors.

[620] Okay.

[621] Do we believe him?

[622] No. Oh, okay, no. Oh, you do.

[623] You did.

[624] Well, I was just thinking, okay, maybe.

[625] He did it.

[626] I just want to let him.

[627] He's the killer.

[628] I just want to let everyone know.

[629] I know.

[630] Because the one thing I was, one of my theories was going to be at that time, Vietnam vets were shat upon in this country.

[631] And had bad PTSD.

[632] Had PTSD, but also were judged by others.

[633] But not by law enforcement.

[634] I think they respected Vietnam vets.

[635] Oh, I guess, but I'm just saying the person that would call in and be like this guy.

[636] you know what I mean baby killer it's that shit that was like right it they really attacked people for that and so I was thinking maybe that it was like oh he's violent because he was made he's made to go into the army sure but it doesn't mean it yeah no he did it okay okay uh that's a real relief I'm not like spoiling it's like I'm only talking about him no I love it I love it so it's fine okay so Melania and Teton had seen but they okay so now they these two profilers come in and they use their fucking tactics and they're like, show us all the suspects you had.

[637] They read his chart and they're like, I'm sorry, this guy, it doesn't fucking matter.

[638] They thought that he was a psychopath and he would have no problem passing a polygraph test, which they had never heard of before this.

[639] Yes.

[640] Because he was a fucking, he was able to disassociate himself from the person who had been, who had killed someone.

[641] Yes.

[642] So he was like, it's not fucking me. and so I'm not lying because I'm not that person.

[643] Right.

[644] And also the thing I love about sociopaths, I mean psychopaths, they don't get nervous.

[645] Right.

[646] They don't get nervous.

[647] They don't have stress reactions to things.

[648] When I watched the old YouTube, like, it was one of those, like, old true crime shows where they had, like, there was like an FBI head guy who was the narrator.

[649] Yeah.

[650] So there was no charisma whatsoever.

[651] Because he was the real guy.

[652] Because he was the real guy.

[653] Yeah.

[654] It wasn't like a fucking, like, charming, you know.

[655] journalist.

[656] Yeah, like a journalist.

[657] Sure.

[658] They said like, you know, they believed polygraph tests, polygraph tests implicitly.

[659] So this was like brand new as well.

[660] Blah, blah, blah, da, da, currently exhibiting.

[661] They thought it was the killer, for sure, these two dudes, Malini and Teton, but everyone else was like, how fucking no, you're wrong.

[662] Even Dunbar, they were like, uh -uh, dude, it's not him.

[663] That was a quote, a direct quote.

[664] they but then okay then they're able to convince the yagers the fucking mother and father of susie now they're back in michigan they said okay we think this is the kind of killer that will contact you again because they want to be part of the investigation it's the kind of thing where they want to be friends with cops yeah which fucking david meyerhofer was chatty with cops just like our boy ed camper exactly um they think that The kind of killer wants to insert themselves in the investigation and stay part of the victim's lives and continue to inflict pain.

[665] So gross.

[666] I know.

[667] Okay.

[668] So they're like, let's tape record, let's put a tape recorder with your phone and let's set up a tap.

[669] And they're like, hell yeah.

[670] All right.

[671] Meanwhile, Susie's mother, Marietta, she's a devout Catholic.

[672] And initially she says that she was, quote, ravaged with hatred and desire for revenge.

[673] and that also she could have killed the man, quote, with my bare hands and a smile on my face.

[674] Yeah.

[675] Which are like, girl.

[676] 100%.

[677] Then she was like, as a devout Catholic though, she's like, I, she says she understood that her hatred was going to fucking kill her.

[678] And she says, I quote, called for, I was called to forgive my enemies not to kill them.

[679] So I made the commitment to work toward an attitude of forgiveness.

[680] So through that year, she was able to come to terms and start praying.

[681] for whoever took her daughter, even if it was like, maybe he's alive.

[682] So I'm praying for, you know, good weather that day.

[683] Or I'm praying, you know, she started kind of opening her heart to him, which is beyond incredible.

[684] Okay.

[685] Exactly one year to the fucking day.

[686] And Karen, to the fucking minute.

[687] No. 3 .30 in the morning.

[688] A call comes in.

[689] Oh.

[690] Uh -huh.

[691] To the minute.

[692] Oh.

[693] Okay.

[694] So the kidnapper calls the yank. akers.

[695] Okay, initially, so Marietta answers the phone and initially the caller tries to fuck with her and is like, uh, your daughter's still alive.

[696] We've been traveling in the world and you're not, you'll never see her again, all this bullshit.

[697] But Marietta was unfuck withable.

[698] And she fucking, instead of being intimidated, she spoke to him with compassion and patience.

[699] And she told him she prayed for him every day and that she forgave him.

[700] And he fucking burst into tears and starts fucking weeping on the phone uh -huh holy shit the callins of being a fucking hour long and they're and they're talking are you fucking kidding i am not fucking kidding you and then what is he confesses not yet okay this is not so i know um mum mum okay so they had an fbi voice analyst says the caller is definitely miss david mirhofer for sure but that is circumstantial evidence it's not sufficient to obtain a probable cause search warrant of David's house and then so this is the fucking this is crazy to me and I like it makes me sad so agent Malaney says that the caller quote could be woman dominated meaning it could be dominated by a female somehow so he says to Marietta Yeager do us a favor come back to Montana where you're fucking seven -year -old daughter was fucking kidnapped and have a have a face -to -face conversation with David Meerahofer.

[701] She jumped on a fucking plane and I'm like, I hope they fucking paid for that plane ticket.

[702] Can you imagine?

[703] There's no way she paid for that.

[704] I know, but how fucking crazy would that be?

[705] No, no. I know.

[706] But still.

[707] She should have gone on like fucking Air Force One.

[708] Yeah.

[709] Well, that would be.

[710] That'd be a little crazy.

[711] Yeah.

[712] Then it would be like a waste of taxpayers.

[713] Chartered plane.

[714] Just first class.

[715] Something.

[716] Give her a meal on the way.

[717] Oh, my God.

[718] This woman.

[719] I know.

[720] So she meets David Meerahofer at his lawyer's office, begs him to tell her about Susan.

[721] He fucking clamped up.

[722] He won't talk.

[723] He's unmoved.

[724] He denies it.

[725] They're in there for an hour.

[726] And finally, it's like, this isn't working.

[727] So she leaves.

[728] She goes back home to Michigan.

[729] And then David calls her again.

[730] This time, he says something else.

[731] like um like oh hey my he says my name is mr travis i'm the one i'm the one who did it like trying to fucking trick her like this i'm the one who did it it's not this other guy and then marietta goes what's up like what's up david and he fucking loses a shit she's just like hi david wow she fucking knows it she knows and he loses the shit so by this time though the FBI is finally able to trace the call and they arrest him, trace the call to him, you know.

[732] And now they have enough evidence for a search warrant in his home.

[733] Police discover everything's fine.

[734] Everything's fine.

[735] Open the freezer.

[736] Human remains.

[737] There's packages that look like, I guess they look like deli packages, you know?

[738] Yeah, like the pink paper.

[739] And labeled with the initials of who the pieces belong to.

[740] Not only do they belong to Susie, one of the packages contained a hand, like an entire hand with nails, identified as a woman named Sandra Smoligan.

[741] Sandra was a 19 -year -old woman who had disappeared in 1974, so like after Susie.

[742] Her remains had been found, incinerated in the woods near an abandoned ranch.

[743] and it was known and he had been questioned that she had refused a second date with David Mirhofer but after he volunteered but he at that time way before all this had volunteered to take a polygraph test and again fucking passed it so they were like it's probably not him but then they find her fucking hand in the freezer and they're like it's him yeah so after the search and his arrest David Mirhofer confesses to killing both Susie and Sandra he said Sandra had, here's the fucking bullshit of the day, he fucking, it says that Sandra had died of suffocation when he had broken into her apartment.

[744] She's sleeping.

[745] He put, he was going to kidnap her and like keep her.

[746] He puts duct tape over her face, goes to pack her bag and realizes that he had accidentally put it over her nose too and she had suffocated from the duct tape.

[747] Why bother lying like that?

[748] What's, I mean, come on everybody.

[749] Because then you don't seem like it's such a monster.

[750] Yeah, to yourself.

[751] But everybody else still thinks you're a big asshole.

[752] but he had incinerated her body so no one could tell you know that's so crazy um quick sidebar weird fact in 2005 a crew was doing some remodeling work on a garage uh the fucking building thing and they torn to a wall to like change out the wall and found a wallet identification and a small wirebound notebook that belonged to Sandra okay 30 fucking years later which is like my dream come My dream come goddamn true.

[753] Let's rip all the walls out of this apartment.

[754] It's a new build.

[755] It doesn't matter.

[756] Let's fucking do it.

[757] Was it on this podcast where we talked about our low -key superpowers?

[758] No. We talked about that in person and it's one of my favorite things in the world.

[759] Oh, someone asked us in a VIP line.

[760] Yes.

[761] They were like, hey, hey, nice to meet you.

[762] Let's take a photo, smiling.

[763] What's up?

[764] Really quickly.

[765] This is my favorite question.

[766] What's your fucking.

[767] key superpower that's like not that big of a deal.

[768] And what was yours?

[769] I don't remember what it was something really stupid like I just want to eat food.

[770] What was mine?

[771] I don't know.

[772] I don't know.

[773] Apparently looking through walls.

[774] No, no, remember mine was when people can't remember the name of an actor or a movie, I'll always be able to be the one.

[775] Which you do anyways.

[776] I wish I did, but I don't do it fully.

[777] I don't do it as much as comprehensively.

[778] But I want to change it right now.

[779] So to whoever asked us that question, I would like to officially change.

[780] I want it, and maybe if it's low -key, then it can only be a one -time thing.

[781] X -ray vision to see either what's buried or what's hidden in walls.

[782] Can it only be superficial things?

[783] How about that's the trick of it being low -key?

[784] It's only like a can of beer or that the builder place.

[785] It's like not a clue to anything.

[786] I don't care.

[787] Okay, then fuck it.

[788] Because when I was growing up, our friends had chicken coops on there, like, And Petaluma, there's like just big open fields with old chicken coops that have been sitting there since the late 1800s.

[789] Terrifying, I want to look through all of them.

[790] You can, we would walk through them and there would just be old equipment hanging and shit everywhere.

[791] It's like people just kind of left them on the property because they used, it's like either their family used to.

[792] Or they thought they were going to come back or chicken farmers or they bought the property and were like, oh, just leave it there.

[793] There's like, it's those kind of like barns that are slightly sloping to one side that people take pictures of.

[794] You shouldn't go in because they're going to collapse on your stupid head.

[795] Yeah.

[796] But we were like, oh, well, this is how we fill our days.

[797] So Katie Newberger, my friend and the girl who lived down on the corner, her parents raised llamas.

[798] And they also had an old house on their property, a house.

[799] And we used to go into it.

[800] And one time and some of the walls.

[801] Was there furniture and shit in that?

[802] No, no. It was just like, there was wallpaper on the walls.

[803] And no cup, no, it was like flatboard floors.

[804] but there was a hole in one wall and I looked in it once and saw something and started pulling out bills to the chicken feed store that were handwritten old bills Oh my God And I was like I was like oh my god look look And my friend Katie's like oh yeah Those are in all the wall This is some straight Gooney shit I know you know what Goonies fucking ruined it They made me want to do this Goonies raise the bar where it's like I don't just want chicken feed bill store Bills.

[805] Yeah.

[806] I want a large ship filled with gold de blooms.

[807] Right.

[808] Right.

[809] Hidden in a cove.

[810] Yeah, but I want to start with the fucking attic with all the paintings in it.

[811] Yes.

[812] Yes.

[813] Listen.

[814] Okay, look.

[815] Look and listen.

[816] I've totally.

[817] Please invite us to your abandoned house right fucking now.

[818] I left this part in them because I knew that this would happen because it's like my dream.

[819] It's so good.

[820] It's so good.

[821] Our dream.

[822] I know it's yours too.

[823] If you've ever found something in a wall or floor.

[824] Email us immediately.

[825] Please.

[826] Please.

[827] And no lying.

[828] No lying.

[829] My favorite murder of Gmail.

[830] I did have a friend, a couple of friends who did a, who were remodeling their house on their own here in L .A. and found like, just like cool trinkets and stuff.

[831] Yeah.

[832] It was cool.

[833] That'd be amazing.

[834] Yeah.

[835] Okay.

[836] Okay.

[837] Poo pop -pah.

[838] They did it.

[839] Back to the story.

[840] Anyways, here's more horrible things.

[841] So he had tried to kidnap her, blah, blah, blah.

[842] She died, incinerated her body.

[843] That's for Sandra.

[844] Okay.

[845] Then David Meera Hoffer is like, but wait, there's more.

[846] He confesses to the unsolved killing of two local boys.

[847] March, 1967, 13 -year -old Bernard Pullman is playing with a friend in a creek in Manhattan, Montana.

[848] So at the time, David Meirhofer is a high school senior, and Bernard, this kid's older brother, was a classmate that David had fought with.

[849] David drives by, sees the little brother fucking pulls over, takes his fucking 22 out of his car, hides behind some bushes, and fucking shoots Bernard through the fucking heart as he's playing.

[850] Oh, yeah.

[851] Then in May 1968, and this is five years before Susie had been kidnapped and murdered, or had been kidnapped and murdered.

[852] This is like 10 miles from where that had happened.

[853] A Boy Scout named Michael Rainey, he's 12 years old.

[854] He was sleeping in his tent at this Boy Scout retreat and he, his tentmate, who was in the fucking den with him, wakes up to find him dead.

[855] He had been struck on the head and stabbed to death while he had been sleeping.

[856] No. Yeah.

[857] It's fucking crazy.

[858] David said he had randomly killed the boys because he was pissed that he had, he'd rarely killed that kid because he had been pissed that he had been fired from being involved in the Boy Scouts.

[859] Wow.

[860] I know.

[861] Which is like so problematic in your fucking thinking.

[862] Okay.

[863] I mean, obviously.

[864] Yeah.

[865] He's a murderer.

[866] All right.

[867] As for lovely little Susie Yeager, David said he had taken her to an abandoned ranch and choked her to death after he had kept her, I think, for a little while in a closet, like a week.

[868] I know.

[869] Then he dismembered her and burned her pieces, burned her up.

[870] But of course, we don't.

[871] know what happened for sure because that's this is just all him yeah yeah all right so david mirhofer who tetan and malaney believed had uh psychopathy uh right which is a mix of psychopathy and simple schizophrenia that's what they think he had this was the case this case was the first case solved by offender profiling this was the first fucking case where these two dudes not the guys from Mind Hunter, but very similar.

[872] Yeah.

[873] And there actually is a book called Mind Hunter, and that's what the, that's what it's based on.

[874] Yep.

[875] Whatever.

[876] Okay.

[877] So this is the first case solved by that.

[878] They believe that his motive had been the thrill of killing for sport.

[879] So he's just a fucking asshole.

[880] Yeah.

[881] So they didn't, they couldn't interview him further because that night when he fucking confessed to everything at like early morning hours, they walk him back to his cell.

[882] And he fucking hangs himself with a, with a fucking towel that was in the cell with him.

[883] Yeah.

[884] Of course he does.

[885] But wait.

[886] I'm not ending it on that.

[887] I'm not a fucking asshole.

[888] Um, but, but, but, do, do.

[889] So that was September 29th.

[890] He's, he's 25 years old.

[891] David Mirhoffer hangs himself.

[892] Fuck you.

[893] Okay.

[894] What?

[895] Fuck you.

[896] I'm not as good as Marietta.

[897] No, I will.

[898] I heart.

[899] We, may we all strive to be that.

[900] way.

[901] And in the meantime, fuck you, dude.

[902] All right.

[903] So back to Marietta.

[904] In the early 1990s, Marietta Yeager co -founds a group called Journey of Hope, Dots, from violence to healing.

[905] Dots.

[906] That's a colon.

[907] It's a colon.

[908] It's absolutely a colon.

[909] I also think the word earlier is pronounced psychopathy.

[910] I knew I was getting it wrong.

[911] But when I read it, I read psychopathy too you're totally right psychopathy but it's like that's the people who study it are the ones who say it that way i wasn't going to correct you and you don't hear it that much anymore seems like an old term right yes no i'm glad you corrected me because i was like psychopathy yeah no thank you yeah okay so marietta now in her late 70s works with family members of murder victims and lectures at university schools churches fucking around the entire country and also like went to the hague and shit to fucking argue for certain things i don't mean what is the haig i think it's like the peace center the like let's it's like the one of my favorite this might need to be edited out because we sound real stupid no no no i love to reference the hagg i think it's a really funny comedy reference and one of my favorite people on twitter dvs who is a rapper in new york he made a tweet today about being at the hague and it made me love him so much much.

[912] It was so funny and random and bizarre.

[913] But as I laughed at it, I was like, I just don't know what this actually means.

[914] How on earth is the Hague mentioned twice in one day for you?

[915] Right?

[916] That's crazy.

[917] That's why I mentioned this anecdote.

[918] I think it's like the peace center.

[919] It's it's something political for sure.

[920] It's like where you can't be a fucking asshole.

[921] It's like the Hague is like where everyone looks for peace and justice.

[922] Jesus Christ.

[923] That's not real.

[924] Stephen, Stephen's laughing at us and looking at his phone.

[925] Read it, Stephen.

[926] It's the Peace Center.

[927] I don't know.

[928] I can't find a actual definition of it.

[929] It doesn't exist.

[930] It's a political building where they, isn't that like where they...

[931] Oh, yeah, it's the international city of...

[932] Oh, it's a city.

[933] It's called the International City of Peace and Justice.

[934] Oh, my God, you were word for word right.

[935] Everyone suck my neck right now, Elvis, am I right?

[936] Oh my God.

[937] I'm so sorry I doubted you.

[938] It just sounded like total bullshit.

[939] The thing is it was total bullshit.

[940] I just must have learned about it somewhere and my brain is a better fucking flytrap than I thought it was.

[941] You like, that was like you Wikipedia memorized that and you didn't even know it.

[942] Uh -huh.

[943] Nice one.

[944] Thank you.

[945] The hag.

[946] Shit.

[947] I'm going to call my production company The Hague.

[948] So good.

[949] Do you think that's copywritten?

[950] Or do you think it's like, 100%.

[951] Also, you're opening a production company?

[952] Can I get it out of this?

[953] Oh, I didn't tell you.

[954] It's more for sports.

[955] That's my new thing.

[956] Love it.

[957] Love it.

[958] Okay.

[959] Boop, boop, pop.

[960] Okay, so she's in her late 70s.

[961] She fucking is like telling everyone what.

[962] She works for the survivor so they don't end up, quote, giving the offenders another victim themselves.

[963] Yes.

[964] Because that whole thing of like this hate is going to consume you.

[965] Yes.

[966] So she's like, here's how to forgive.

[967] It's not, you know, I'm making this part up, but it's not for them.

[968] You're not forgiving them for them for them.

[969] You forgive them for yourself because you can't have that.

[970] 100%.

[971] Yeah.

[972] That's, it's so true.

[973] And like, and I think it's also every, it's everybody's kind of overarching goal.

[974] Because we all have things we're mad about.

[975] We all have bitterness.

[976] And we all think like.

[977] It doesn't affect that other person at all.

[978] Nope.

[979] Unless you bitch slap them once a day.

[980] Like it doesn't even affect them.

[981] It feels terrible.

[982] Right.

[983] And you're angry person.

[984] I've had a couple dreams where there was one person I was very mad at for a long time.

[985] And I had to have dreams about slapping her face.

[986] And when I woke up, I was so relieved that I didn't actually do it because it feels terrible.

[987] Like making yourself feel terrible in an effort in the name of vengeance.

[988] Yeah.

[989] But that's such, that's high level recovery fucking Buddhist shit.

[990] Yeah.

[991] Don't be mad at yourself if you're not there yet.

[992] No way.

[993] serious fucking I don't I mean like that's the hardest that's yeah I feel like it's yeah that's long term goal yeah long term goals and like we're talking about someone who fucking made out with our boyfriend not someone who fucking murdered our seven -year -old daughter yeah a child yeah so listen so it's even baby steps it's even more just self -care look we're all listen we're all trying to walk to the hag right but there's miles to go we got miles to go we got miles to go.

[994] You know the Hague is your fucking end game.

[995] Hague's end game.

[996] Don't be mad of yourself that you're not at the Hague.

[997] No. We're still here in America.

[998] We don't even know where the fucking country the Hague is in.

[999] Or what it does.

[1000] Where is it?

[1001] Denmark or some shit like that.

[1002] I bet it is.

[1003] Somewhere the vague is in a Hague place.

[1004] The Hague is in a vague place.

[1005] Denmark.

[1006] Karen.

[1007] No. No, Netherlands.

[1008] Sorry.

[1009] We're going.

[1010] Okay, now I have to ask another embarrassing question isn't Denmark and the Netherlands.

[1011] Aren't we going there?

[1012] No, Amsterdam's the Netherlands.

[1013] Aren't we going there this fucking May?

[1014] Perhaps.

[1015] We're going there in May. Yeah, it's the Netherlands.

[1016] The Netherlands is where Amsterdam is, right?

[1017] Okay, so I'm not.

[1018] But Denmark, Denmark's its own beautiful, independent country.

[1019] Oh my God.

[1020] Now they're so pissed.

[1021] Cut the first half this podcast and the second half.

[1022] A fucking disaster.

[1023] The first and second half.

[1024] Okay.

[1025] let me finish yes sorry no no you're fine because we need to get through this yeah because i'm gonna because i'm trying to end this on a positive note we just keep you know what it is it couldn't be a more positive note and we're like ruining it we're just giddy for some positive news yes exactly okay okay marietta is also an advocate against the death penalty she says quote i would not honor the goodness and sweetness my and beauty of my little girl's life by killing someone in their name Um, and then she says, she's worth, she's worthy of a more honorable, uh, memorial than a cold -blooded state sanctioned killing of a defenseless person, however deserving of the death, of death that person may be, which like, agree or disagree, that's a beautiful fucking statement.

[1026] And you can't argue with someone who's talking about the killer of their daughter.

[1027] You're like, no, you're wrong.

[1028] And here's why.

[1029] No, no, there's no arguing that because that's a person, that's first person experience.

[1030] Exactly.

[1031] Yeah.

[1032] So anybody.

[1033] So anybody.

[1034] I mean like look everybody obviously grieves and processes in their own way but that concept it's a reframing of looking at it which is you really are doing it self -righteously in the name of the person who was killed exactly but then it's like she's making you rethink that which is brilliant and really amazing are you ready for fucking to go to practice what you preach town yeah are you ready to fucking visit it and go there and stay there for a holiday You mean the peace place?

[1035] Yeah.

[1036] You ready to go to the Hague, the practice what you hague.

[1037] So after David's suicide, Marietta reaches out to David Mirhofer, the fucking killer of his daughter, her daughter.

[1038] Yeah.

[1039] Reaches out to David Mirhofer's mother.

[1040] Yes, because she's a victim too.

[1041] And in the years following his suicide, the mom's.

[1042] together accompanied each other's to each other's children's graves.

[1043] No. And she said, quote, together we were able to grieve as mothers who had lost their children.

[1044] I hoped that it would help her to know that I had forgiven him.

[1045] I know.

[1046] Holy fucking shit.

[1047] I know.

[1048] Say her name again.

[1049] Marietta.

[1050] Marita Yeager.

[1051] Wow.

[1052] Yeah.

[1053] I think she wrote a book too, but the group is called Journey of Hope and it's co -founded yeah, it's fucked out.

[1054] It's crazy.

[1055] I can't like because you've seen that I mean we've all seen that on true crime shows where the family of the perpetrator is horrified and like and they are in this strange bubble and they have this shame and humiliation guilt to half of it.

[1056] Yeah and this like what could I have done to prevent this and and they are.

[1057] Often are the subject of so much hatred.

[1058] Right.

[1059] But probably maybe, or maybe we're victimized by the person, the perpetrator themselves.

[1060] God damn.

[1061] That's high level, high level human work right there.

[1062] Marietta Yeager.

[1063] Fuck.

[1064] Yep.

[1065] And that's that.

[1066] Wow, Georgia.

[1067] That was amazing.

[1068] Thank you.

[1069] It was fair.

[1070] That's what happens when you have insomnia and you listen to terrible books.

[1071] And they're like a way that's like, of course you're not sleeping.

[1072] You're listening to this shit.

[1073] It's so funny, though, because when I was listening to those, is it those who fight monsters?

[1074] Yeah.

[1075] I think so, yeah.

[1076] Yeah, I think it is.

[1077] Something like that.

[1078] Which, by the way, is a great book to fall asleep too.

[1079] I fucking bring it down to, um, instead of at full speed, I bring it down to 75 % speed.

[1080] Oh.

[1081] Good fucking night, usually.

[1082] I like that narrator.

[1083] Yeah.

[1084] It's, he's good.

[1085] He's, he sounds like an FBI agent.

[1086] He sounds official and standard.

[1087] But then there's also an.

[1088] interestingness to his voice, but when I was reading that, because that book, it seems like that book has 95 chapters.

[1089] Like, when I was reading it, it was just in my car every time I would drive around.

[1090] Yeah.

[1091] And it felt like it went on forever.

[1092] But every time I would be like, write this down, this could be your next murder.

[1093] Because there are so many ones that were obscure or I either hadn't heard of or knew a little bit about it.

[1094] Yeah.

[1095] Where I was like, write this down.

[1096] And I just never would.

[1097] Well, this is, the reason I found this one is because I was on the last chapter and it's about Ed Kemper and it's just this like even killed the guy narrator talking about he would cut the heads off of them and I was like what are you listening to Georgia yeah so then instead of like putting something else on about like fucking space I put on chapter set I was like fuck this chapter I'll go to a different chapter of the murder book where this is the subject exactly again yeah it's just going to be a different body part it just won't be at anything that's not Ed Kemper that's all I need.

[1098] Also, have people already started up fan groups for the actor?

[1099] Because I realized I said our boy, Ed Kemper.

[1100] But what I mean is the actor who played Ed Kemper and Mine Hunter is our boy.

[1101] Well, you know we're following him on Instagram now.

[1102] Oh, really?

[1103] Yeah, because someone, we joked about how he would be, he should be on, uh, what's that pitch perfect, pitch perfect.

[1104] And so someone, uh, and someone made a fucking amazing.

[1105] graphic with just him Photoshopped in there very badly on purpose and it was super hilarious.

[1106] Oh yeah that's right.

[1107] And so someone tagged the dude who plays him and was like hey look you're on this podcast and so we're following him now.

[1108] I don't know if I can find his name right now.

[1109] I probably can't.

[1110] We follow Beyonce too so he's got to be in there somewhere but it's pretty great.

[1111] That's so rad.

[1112] Yeah it's pretty because he looks like he looks like your like your big friend from high school that like always has shitty weed to hang out with you with and like video like he just looks cool and fun and then he looks like men in his life as have always tried to pressure him into playing football but then he would talk to them about like quantum physics and they leave him alone and he like really likes hanging out with girls but like not sexually assaulting them yes exactly unlike ed kemper and then he like will post a photo on instagram of like here's me as ed kemper you got to watch this and it's like oh my god that's not you it's real stephen Cameron Britton.

[1113] Is he Canadian?

[1114] He looks...

[1115] He's got a Canadian vibe to me. Yeah, maybe.

[1116] Maybe.

[1117] Cameron, let us know.

[1118] Well, that was great.

[1119] So this, as I've already said several times, I drove down the five today.

[1120] Honey, I bet this is going to be amazing.

[1121] No, no, no. This is like the beginning.

[1122] I'm sorry, I called you, honey.

[1123] Oh, okay, I get it.

[1124] I thought you were telling about how...

[1125] bad it was going to be.

[1126] Well, it is, but I've already made that clear.

[1127] But I wanted to do a story something about the five.

[1128] Love it.

[1129] Right.

[1130] Now, I've already done the I -5 killer.

[1131] Yeah.

[1132] The guy that used to be on the football team.

[1133] That is, I mean, and then there was also an I -5 strangler.

[1134] But he was one of those ones that I didn't, it just was depressing.

[1135] Yeah.

[1136] And it was a lot of women women's bodies lost in creek beds for years and years which I fucking hate.

[1137] We say it was just depressing.

[1138] We mean it also didn't have interesting facts.

[1139] We don't mean like, they're all fucking depressing.

[1140] They're all depressing.

[1141] This one was once again a man who for 20 to 30 years just got away with killing whoever the fuck woman he wanted to come by.

[1142] There's no myrietta at the end of that fucking story.

[1143] That's exactly what it is.

[1144] That's exactly what it is.

[1145] Except for, that's not true.

[1146] In the I -5 Strangler, there's a there's a detective who would go and hike up in the mountains because the one woman that this guy said he killed but they couldn't find her body he would just go hike to see if he could find something and he finally fucking found a quarter size bone in a creek that when that had been a dry creek bed when he put her body there but was now a flowing creek what the fuck he found it and they they DNA tested it and it was her what in the fucking I bet you I had all that on a document somewhere somewhere I could have given you the names but it was pretty amazing and that was that one of those things where there are detectives out there who do that job because they want they not only want to help people but they uh they want to solve people like that sadness for families they want people they want them to know they want to end the sadness as much as they can there's no closure we know that yeah but unique but not knowing it's worse exactly yeah and he would hike he would just hike around the area i mean it's amazing anyway but apparently that didn't cut that didn't cut it for me okay apparently my standards are even higher than that amazing story no here's what it is i hadn't heard this but this is a not only is it not an old story uh this is almost a borderline breaking story wait what so that when i heard it i was like hold on i'd never heard anything about this so on Wednesday, November 15th.

[1147] Wait, like two weeks ago?

[1148] A cab driver in Stockton, California, he picks up a fair and he notices that the man that's in his car fits the description of the APB that the San Joaquin County Sheriff's Department had just put out for a six -foot -tall man with a heavy -billed black hair and black eyes.

[1149] Oh, no. Who was very dangerous and the APB said, do not approach him under any circumstances.

[1150] Or pick him up in your cab.

[1151] Right.

[1152] So this cab driver calls 911 and says, I think I just had this guy in my cab.

[1153] And at 10 .30 a .m., police arrest 59 -year -old Randall Sato at a gas station on Highway 99.

[1154] And it turns out, Randall was an escapee of a Hawaiian mental hospital where he had lived, he has lived, for the past 40 years.

[1155] Oh, my God.

[1156] He is described by the doctors and the people that committed him there as violent, a violent manipulative psychopath and a murderer.

[1157] So here's what he did to get into that mental hospital.

[1158] In 1977, a woman named Sandra Yamashiro was walking to her car out of a mall called the Ala Moana Center.

[1159] Her next to her car is a car parked and a man sitting in that car.

[1160] He shoots her in the face with a pellet gun in her car.

[1161] And he goes over to ask if she's okay.

[1162] She's been shot in the face.

[1163] Oh, my God.

[1164] And then he repeatedly stabs her.

[1165] He goes over to like see if she's okay and then.

[1166] Well, says the phrase like, are you okay?

[1167] but he just went over there.

[1168] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1169] And then basically stabbed her multiple times, left her in her car, and then got back into his car where her's girlfriend was sitting in the car and drove away.

[1170] Was she?

[1171] Okay, go on.

[1172] I don't know anything about the girlfriend because this is so fresh that basically all the, it's one of those things where there's the AP story that came out.

[1173] There was a story that was in time and AP.

[1174] and every other article in every other newspaper was basically the same article with different, slightly different word changing what we call the Karen Kilgareff treatment.

[1175] So he's tried for this murder and he is acquitted by reason of insanity.

[1176] His girlfriend had to know because you don't stab a person that many times and then get into a car and you don't blood all over you.

[1177] She's sitting in the car next to the car where the murder's taking place.

[1178] Then she's hanging out and having a great time.

[1179] I don't, she's like, unless she has 70s fucking headphones on and an eye mask, like, there's no way.

[1180] She doesn't know exactly what the fuck's going on.

[1181] Ooh, good point.

[1182] She's driving.

[1183] Creepy.

[1184] Well, either way, he gets tried.

[1185] He's not convicted.

[1186] Instead, he's acquitted by reason of insanity.

[1187] But then he is committed to the Hawaii State Psychiatric Hospital.

[1188] Okay, good.

[1189] Where he's lived for the past 40 years.

[1190] fuck yeah so here's what happened on uh sunday november 12th at 9 a m randall walks off the grounds no he shouldn't be able to do that right he shouldn't and he walks to a place called kana okay park which is how i'm thinking that they pronounce it but could be very differently that sounds hawaiian is fuck to me i think it's right because i went okay which is kana okay yeah can we have a free trip to Hawaii please we love you guys um so he gets to this park he calls a cab the dispatcher there was a whole article about this dispatcher um it's a a female cab driver comes and picks him up oh no um there's a video camera inside the cab and it shows him and he now has a backpack that he didn't have at or couldn't have had at the psychiatric hospital and he in the video he's looking through the backpack like he's never seen it before so he's like rifling through it to see what's in it oh my god no no no um he pays the cab driver in cash and he gets dropped off at at the airport where he has chartered already chartered a plane cost him 1500 bucks what if you charter a plane that's essentially a private plane and you don't have to check your that's right what the If you pay a guy 1500 bucks and you're like, can you fly me to Maui?

[1191] They're like, okay, they don't make you do anything extra.

[1192] That's not enough money to not have that shit checked.

[1193] Right.

[1194] But it is Hawaii where it's all islands and that's kind of a major mode of transportation.

[1195] Right, right, right, right.

[1196] As I learned from the film, hard ticket to Hawaii.

[1197] Please watch it if you've never seen it.

[1198] I haven't.

[1199] Okay, so so he gets he gets to Maui then he with a fake ID that was in their you know postulating was in the backpack so basically somebody put that backpack together for him who his I bet it was his cousin I'm just gonna say cousin fucking cousins man they're always they're always fucking helping you too much they're always aiding and they're always abetting always aiding and abetting um so he gets on to a Hawaiian air flight to San Jose.

[1200] No, no, no, no. Imagine the difference between you live in Hawaii and you're like, I got to get to San Jose.

[1201] Imagine who sat next to him?

[1202] Right?

[1203] On the plane.

[1204] I want to know what he drank.

[1205] I want to know what sandwich he ordered and they were out of that sandwich so he had to get a fucking wrap.

[1206] I'll tell you what.

[1207] He has a backpack full of cash seemingly.

[1208] Uh -huh.

[1209] But they don't take cash on planes anymore.

[1210] Good point.

[1211] I'm sorry.

[1212] He got zero drinks on that.

[1213] that plane.

[1214] He got zero sandwiches on that plane.

[1215] Unless it was a jet blue where you go up to that awesome little refrigerator.

[1216] I have never, George and I took a flight and there's a jet blue set up now where instead of them bringing around a weird wicker basket of like, do you want a pretzel or not?

[1217] Pick it now.

[1218] Pick it.

[1219] Don't pick more than one.

[1220] Don't put this on me. I always say no out of like pride.

[1221] I always pick wrong and I get bummed about it.

[1222] I'm always like, I'm above pretzels and cookies.

[1223] I actually hate pretzels, but I would have loved.

[1224] those fucking yam chips or whatever the fuck i want to i don't want a basket shoved at me like it's the offering plate in church i want to sit with my decision and be like what do i want and i'm going to grab each and then eat a little of each like a fucking i want to dig through it like a large raccoon i want to see what i want all of them i'm going to touch each bag even though they're the same brand and the same item yeah well he didn't get that opportunity he didn't get shit unless it was a jeple right no it wasn't it was hawaiian air okay okay we knew that we knew that we knew that going in i just wanted to talk about a midplane refrigerator and snack cupboard yeah that was purely based on do you have the guts to walk up here and grab food and then it was just all the bravest people on the plane that makes me sad why because you have to be brave to go up and get a snack well i mean that's just societal pressure where it's like you walk up there but everyone's going to watch you like for me i'm going to point at every one next time.

[1225] Fuck you, fuck you, fuck it.

[1226] I'm going to go through the plane.

[1227] Here's what I did.

[1228] I waited and waited and waited.

[1229] Then I waited until I did go to the bathroom because the bathroom was right across from this area.

[1230] Then as I came out of the bathroom, I pretended that I've never seen the cupboard before.

[1231] And then I went, well, I guess I will have a beverage.

[1232] Well, I'm up.

[1233] I mean, this makes me think you have shame issues around eating and drinking.

[1234] Do you think?

[1235] Because I fucking.

[1236] This makes you think it and not me telling you over and over that I have a severe issue.

[1237] when you say those things.

[1238] I'm like, yeah, I care.

[1239] We all have issues.

[1240] Great.

[1241] What do you want to order?

[1242] Well, I guess this is probably why when you do order, I'm like, let's get the this and this and this.

[1243] Because then you'll just say yes instead of saying I don't want that.

[1244] I'm not ordering it.

[1245] I also, my favorite new thing is, yes, let's get four things.

[1246] Okay, sorry, this is just a sidebar.

[1247] This is this poor guy.

[1248] This has become about us.

[1249] I know.

[1250] Poor guy.

[1251] Fuck this asshole.

[1252] Fuck this.

[1253] Fuck him.

[1254] Okay, what?

[1255] We went, there was a new restaurant that opened in Pedaluma while I was home for Thanksgiving.

[1256] And Adrian and I made plans for lunch.

[1257] Then my dad was like, hey, want to go to lunch?

[1258] Then I was like, Adrian, can we collapse these plans together?

[1259] I'm under a lot of pressure.

[1260] And she's like, totally, let's party with Jim.

[1261] Is he the coolest?

[1262] I want to hang out with him so bad.

[1263] My dad?

[1264] Yeah.

[1265] He's the greatest man. Is he coming in our LA show?

[1266] I think we could get him to.

[1267] Let's put him up at like a really nice hotel.

[1268] Like, let's spoil Jim.

[1269] I want Vincent and him to talk about wrestling.

[1270] he would him and Vince should go on their own separate vacation okay they would be best friends immediately do you know that my dad got mad we went to this place and they didn't have Budweiser and he wanted to leave oh Vince is like that too yeah it was that thing where he goes I go dad they have log they have all Loganitas on top because Loganitas is in Petaluma that's so fucking oh it is that's bullshit I don't want that who doesn't have fucking Budweiser seriously no Vince gets pissed if they don't have like certain things Lunch started with a slight anger.

[1271] Oh, it was for, oh, your dad and I are going to get along.

[1272] Lunch drinking?

[1273] Sign me the fuck up.

[1274] Honey, when you walk into, you guys have to come up.

[1275] When you walk in to Jim's house, the first thing he says to you, hey, want a cold one?

[1276] Can he make me?

[1277] I know that he used to drink Manhattan's with your mom.

[1278] Can he make me a Manhattan?

[1279] He would love to make you in Manhattan.

[1280] It would be his favorite thing.

[1281] And he would also laugh like, you're going to have a Manhattan.

[1282] You would think it was the most refreshing thing in the world.

[1283] Okay.

[1284] Yeah.

[1285] They party.

[1286] He parties.

[1287] They.

[1288] Well, kind of all my family, I was thinking of, because at his birthday party, we all went out to dinner.

[1289] And Carol Painter, who was sitting next to me, his friend, his friend Woody, who's also a fireman.

[1290] They, that's, Manhattan's are like the first thing they order at a restaurant.

[1291] Oh.

[1292] Yeah.

[1293] I love it.

[1294] They're good times.

[1295] Good time, people.

[1296] So from Maui, he goes to San Jose.

[1297] He arrives in California, 5 .30 Hawaiian time.

[1298] Two hours later, the hospital alerts the authorities that he's missing, which is eight hours after he walked off the hospital grounds.

[1299] He's fucking, in a different fucking part of a planet.

[1300] And they're like, oh, hey, um, look, we just did a quick bed check.

[1301] We did an evening bed check and Randall wasn't around.

[1302] We did our once a day bed check.

[1303] This is a hospital with 300 patients.

[1304] They're at capacity.

[1305] And the sad part is, or whatever part they're now under all under investigation and like over 60 employees are on unpaid leave until they figure out how this happened i just hope they figure it out quickly so that they're not just punishing a bunch of random people 59 of those people deserve their job back and hey you work in a psychiatric hospital you better get paid every minute of the time you're there that's a hard job basically then the apb goes out at 830 so this is like you know a lot of time is past since Randall has just super chill style walked off the psychiatric grounds.

[1306] That's a problem.

[1307] So somebody called in a tip line and let the authorities know in Hawaii that Randall had a brother that lived in Stockton, California.

[1308] And that's how they knew to alert the San Joaquin.

[1309] Sheriff's Department.

[1310] Hey, you put out the same APB, make sure.

[1311] And that's how that news all got distributed correctly.

[1312] Can you, quick sidebar.

[1313] Yep.

[1314] Quick fill time.

[1315] Can you imagine being that brother being in Stockton with your family and friends you haven't seen your fucking brother in 40 years your crazy brother that murdered someone knocking the goddamn door yeah look through the people uh oh yeah uh oh okay go on Hawaii 5 uh oh sorry that was not necessary no that was the best thing I've ever heard my fucking life that was gorgeous I totally it okay so altogether they Randall had been on the run for four days okay that whole span of time um but he had been trying to leave that psychiatric hospital for a while so in 1993 uh he put in a request for a conditional release saying that he uh and and the court said no fucking way you are a sexual sadist and a necrophile oh so you have to stay in the mental hospital um deputy prosecutor jeff albert said randall sado is very disturbed mentally ill individual who is very dangerous with respect to whom all the predicators indicate that if he were to be released, he would kill again.

[1316] Oh, dear.

[1317] Then in 2000, he gets his defense attorneys to once again argue for his release.

[1318] And again, that same prosecutor, Jeff Albert, says he fills the criteria of a classic serial killer.

[1319] Basically, he's not getting out.

[1320] But a lot of people that worked there and, the people that the doctors that um you know analyzed him or whatever the word is said he was also very personable and had very good social skills because he's a psychopath yeah he's a master manipulator don't use that as a yeah but it's like yeah and right it is i think for them it is a yeah and but i was using it as a segue okay so i was trying to make it i was trying to turn it that basically since he's been in this mental hospital he has had six significant relationships three have been with staff members of this hospital.

[1321] What?

[1322] Yeah.

[1323] And to the point where then a hospital administrator found out that Randall had been being escorted home for weekend conjugal visits for two full years with nobody on that like high level knowing or whatever.

[1324] Yeah.

[1325] He had two wives outside of the hospital that he would, he basically tricked people into letting him go home and like fuck his wife.

[1326] um two different wives and oh no they ended up blocking the visits um for all patients two years later oh exactly nobody now he's like you know what now nobody can leave the facility now nobody gets to that's not there have conjugal visits here or off but if you think about it if you've been committed to a mental hospital because you fucking stabbed and shot a woman for him yeah but everyone else is like all I did was go crazy one night and like break stuff oh that's true well I mean yeah that's case by case yeah but in general they're basically saying when you are dealing with like people like this this can't even be an option on the table no because you're going to end up jail with treatment exactly but he has been there for a long time so he's like uh you know the mind is going the mind of a psychopath is going always so um and actually those dalliances were impetus for a rule in 2003, the state attorney general's office decided mental patients committed to Hawaii State Hospital have no legal right to conjugal visits.

[1327] So that actually went to the state level because of him.

[1328] Yeah.

[1329] Because it was that bad.

[1330] And he got so horny.

[1331] He broke out.

[1332] He's like, someone get me a backpack.

[1333] Backpack.

[1334] I got to get to San Jose.

[1335] I got to fuck.

[1336] So in 2015, Honolulu prosecutor Wayne Tashima argued against him receiving.

[1337] passes to leaving the hospital grounds without an escort.

[1338] So again, he was asking, he's like, guys, real quick, it's just me. I know you've said now before.

[1339] It's just me, the murderer.

[1340] Can I just take a walk around the ground?

[1341] And in this, these articles, they're also interviewing the neighbors that live near this hospital where they're like, yeah, we didn't know they were allowed to leave.

[1342] We didn't know any of this was happening.

[1343] It's super crazy.

[1344] Oh, my God.

[1345] So anyway, um, Uh, the judge, so you know how he was acquitted on account of mental insanity?

[1346] The circuit court judge, uh, who, who deemed him mentally unfit to stand trial and committed him to the hospital, um, uh, is a controversial figure.

[1347] Uh, he said that because after he shot her and then went to check on her and asked if she was okay, that to him meant he.

[1348] he was insane.

[1349] And so he was not, he could not stand trial.

[1350] Oh, that was all it was based on.

[1351] The whole thing was based on simply that.

[1352] And this is what he said.

[1353] If you look at the evidence that was presented, she did not move.

[1354] She was bleeding profusely.

[1355] Her face was down.

[1356] She did not move or answer him at that point.

[1357] And for him to think that she would identify him and therefore he had to kill her, that becomes irrational also in my mind.

[1358] The same year that he, had that ruling he overturned a jury verdict that found high profile Honolulu crime boss Charlie Stevens guilty of a double murder Stevens admitted to the murder and the jury was like yep you did it he's like he's guilty this guy comes in and it's like overturned don't ever do that he's going to walk away judges um he said there wasn't enough evidence there wasn't enough evidence and the guilty party confessed.

[1359] Yeah.

[1360] So anyway, they basically, after that happened, protests happened at the state capitol, and everyone was calling for his firing.

[1361] And an investigation, because clearly there's something going on, are you on the take?

[1362] All the cases, yeah.

[1363] Yeah.

[1364] But especially with things like that where he's basically kind of, and I mean, obviously this is super technical, but the idea that a judge is like, I've decided you're too crazy to go to jail.

[1365] You can go over here, but you don't have to go to jail for this murder.

[1366] Because I've just, I think that seems crazy.

[1367] Yeah, because this one thing you did in my mind and like, you're not a fucking crazy person.

[1368] So you're judging this based on your own fucking, you know, just like your taste.

[1369] Yeah.

[1370] That seems crazy to me. That's crazy.

[1371] That's crazy.

[1372] Don't go to jail.

[1373] Okay.

[1374] Oh, also, on October 6, 1981, that same judge was arrested for drunk driving, and he was found later at his family's Mochalea Beach House with multiple injuries, including a broken collarbone.

[1375] He said that he passed out as he was beaten, but the investigators think that he tried to hang himself.

[1376] Oh, my God.

[1377] So that's my super sloppy, but kind of a. amazing still breaking story.

[1378] That's amazing.

[1379] Where every article I read had a little more information.

[1380] So he's in custody now.

[1381] Yes.

[1382] And they've extradited him back to Hawaii.

[1383] He didn't kill anyone until he was out there.

[1384] Nope.

[1385] He did he go to his brother's house?

[1386] Did they have Thanksgiving dinner?

[1387] He didn't make it.

[1388] He didn't make it.

[1389] He didn't get any of that.

[1390] Okay.

[1391] He basically took two plane rides, well, three on the way back, and a couple cab rides.

[1392] And we don't know who gave him a backpack yet.

[1393] That's the thing.

[1394] Is it his girlfriend in the hospital?

[1395] Is it the girlfriend that he was visiting on his day pass outside of the hospital?

[1396] Sorry, honey.

[1397] It's you.

[1398] But there could be somebody on the inside because that's who one, but how do you leave a thing if you're on the inside?

[1399] Oh, you mean like one of the.

[1400] She's like, I'll leave it by this awesome coconut tree as you walk out of the front game.

[1401] Oh, so it could have been on the grounds.

[1402] Because also, how does he just walk off the grounds?

[1403] Like just, just walk off.

[1404] Yeah, you'd hope it'd be more secure than that.

[1405] And go to the park.

[1406] if he is a criminal where the deputy district attorney is like this man has all the makings of a serial killer yeah but like think of you're like I've watched this dude for 40 fucking years he's never tried to escape it's like you don't need to worry if he wants to go look at the fucking grass on the whatever the fuck and he's a psychopath so he's going to be able to tell you exactly what you want to hear to make you trust him yeah and get and maybe get you get him a backpack filled with cash and fake IDs.

[1407] Right.

[1408] Because he had to have a fake ID to get onto that Hawaiian air flight.

[1409] So somebody was doing, somebody was breaking the law for him actually.

[1410] Yeah.

[1411] Oh, that motherfucker's going to jail.

[1412] But then the thing that kind of drives me crazy, I really wanted to know more about that murder because also, it's so insane and extreme.

[1413] It seems like other there's, because there's not, the thing about that is, is there's nothing sexually sadist about that murder from what you've told me. Or necrophilia.

[1414] Right.

[1415] So there's more shit going on.

[1416] It's like they have taken this story and they, it kept saying police records, hospital records, and then interview things.

[1417] So it's like this story is kind of like piecing itself together.

[1418] Like there's way, as it goes.

[1419] There's way more going on.

[1420] There's way more.

[1421] And I wonder, like when I was, when I was Googling, because I really was just trying to look up Sandra, uh, Sandra Yamashiro's murder in 1977 and you can't you can only find it within these articles about him or they're like the original the original news report that someone made yes I was trying to do that quotes around the name all those search things that you try to do and it nothing came up about her specifically which drives me crazy but I guess also because it's so long ago that maybe those like that microfiche has been thrown away but anyway hopefully more stuff will come out about that because it seems like that guy's done way more stuff yeah obviously he's been prosecuted for that's fucking awesome i can't wait to hear more yeah that was great thanks georgia yeah karen good job i mean look look at your mom nail polish you know what's insane what we laura can attested this we could call her right now i bought this nail polished last night and I go, isn't this the best color?

[1422] And she goes, that's the color mom used to wear.

[1423] Oh, my God.

[1424] I swear to God.

[1425] I swear to God.

[1426] Mwob.

[1427] It is.

[1428] It's like a brownish mauve.

[1429] Yeah, I like it.

[1430] It's very 1982.

[1431] Um, well.

[1432] Goodbye.

[1433] No. And then one thing that makes you happy.

[1434] You do it first.

[1435] I've been talking for so long.

[1436] Um, I had a couple, but I think very simply, my favorite thing is that you have found GIFs.

[1437] Oh.

[1438] GIFs.

[1439] Yeah.

[1440] Say GIFs.

[1441] It's too late for GIFs.

[1442] I don't think anyone knew what I was talking about.

[1443] GIFs.

[1444] Yeah.

[1445] I thought you meant Gifts.

[1446] Diffs.

[1447] I love gifts so much.

[1448] Yeah.

[1449] And I, and you didn't do them until like the past two months, I think.

[1450] You know why?

[1451] Why?

[1452] I didn't understand.

[1453] I didn't understand that you had to get the app.

[1454] Oh, yeah.

[1455] Giffy.

[1456] G -G -I -P -H -H -Y.

[1457] Yeah, you just get that.

[1458] And it's already on your texting.

[1459] It's waiting for you.

[1460] Nothing.

[1461] There's no better response than a response in GIF.

[1462] Yes.

[1463] It's just perfect.

[1464] It's very specific.

[1465] It's very specific.

[1466] Any fucking thing you like, any fucking face you're trying to make.

[1467] Yep.

[1468] It's so stupid and funny in GIF form.

[1469] And you, the fact that you now like do it to me makes me so happy because it's like, it's really funny.

[1470] Because you did it to me forever And it would make me laugh so hard And I wanted to do it back But I would be trying to do it I would be going on to like Google and then look Putting the word GIF into the fucking search bar Like the old woman that I am It was making me insane Steven did I ask you about it Is that how I ended up getting that app No I think you found it on your own Did I do it on my own?

[1471] Oh my God, you're a big girl Well then that's my favorite thing for this week Is that I did it on my own Who's a big girl?

[1472] No you know what my favorite thing is And this could be I'll go even simpler than your gifts.

[1473] Because the one I sent to you tonight is stolen from Stephen.

[1474] It's my favorite gift of all time and it applies to any situation.

[1475] It's Kim Kardashian peaking around a bush.

[1476] And it is so fucking funny.

[1477] And the first time Steve had sent it to me, I of course sent Stephen some text that was like, no, Stephen, go fuck yourself or some obnoxiously jokey, mean thing.

[1478] And then the response was Kim Kardashian peeking around a bush.

[1479] What do you put in to look for that, Kim Kardashian -Bush?

[1480] Oh, God, no. Don't do that.

[1481] No, don't do that.

[1482] I think it's sneaky or sneakers.

[1483] She's like, boop.

[1484] I want to see that episode where it's from.

[1485] Yeah, I don't care.

[1486] I think I've seen that episode because they made Chloe go on a date and then they all watched her from behind a bush.

[1487] Oh, my gosh.

[1488] She was on, like, a weird, uncomfortable blind date, and she didn't want to go.

[1489] And Chloe and Kim, no, sorry.

[1490] wait Kim and Katrina Kim and Maureen my favorite one right made her do it and then spied on her and laughed at her where it's like that's one of the first episodes I ever saw where I was like but you made her do it so this isn't like you're not let it's only funny if she wanted to do it if it was her idea but it was your idea so you can't make fun of her so we hate the Kardashians and what they stand for but we love the gifts they make here's the thing The gifts are their gift.

[1491] Whatever the Kardashians thing is, you can't deny it and you can't fight it because one time I went and laid down on my couch and turned on E accidentally, nothing I would do intentionally.

[1492] And there was a Kardashian marathon on and I watched every fucking episode for like hours and hours.

[1493] It's amen.

[1494] I watched every episode of fucking Nick Lechay and Jessica Simpson show.

[1495] Oh, that thing was brilliant though.

[1496] so much.

[1497] But that was brilliantly, I know some of the people that worked on that, they were like comics.

[1498] What about Ashley Simpson's show?

[1499] That was amazing.

[1500] I'm not interested in Ashley Simpson.

[1501] Well, what about fucking six years ago, were you?

[1502] Yes.

[1503] Yes.

[1504] When she was married to Pete Wentz?

[1505] No, it was but way before that.

[1506] It was like, when she was like, I'm this famous person's little sister and I'm going to do it on my own.

[1507] And then she's like, eyeliner, eyeliner, eyeliner, eye liner, oh my God, I'm fake punk.

[1508] Yeah.

[1509] That was a good show.

[1510] But that, the original Jessica Simpson is like with some fucking gorgeous television.

[1511] Huh?

[1512] Huh.

[1513] So good, bad.

[1514] Honey.

[1515] Look and listen.

[1516] We've done it again.

[1517] And fucking look.

[1518] You know, if you've ever tuned in to us because you were trying to waste time or just distract yourself, I feel like this is the episode for you.

[1519] congratulations.

[1520] I hope we took you to a different planet.

[1521] Listen, this was absolute madness.

[1522] All hail Marietta Yeager.

[1523] Yes.

[1524] And fucking live your life.

[1525] Do your shit.

[1526] Get, try, just, just we're all.

[1527] Just Marietta.

[1528] Try to do it Marietta style.

[1529] Like, don't do what we do.

[1530] Fuck no. We're fucking monsters.

[1531] Jesus.

[1532] Christ.

[1533] No, no one's trying to do what we do.

[1534] And stay sexy.

[1535] And don't get murdered.

[1536] Please.

[1537] Bye.

[1538] Elvis O'Donnie.

[1539] Hi.

[1540] Oh, that was cute.