Johnny Knoxville

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[1] I'm your grateful host, Dak Shepard.

[2] Today we have an exciting guest on.

[3] His name is Johnny Knoxville, but that's not really his name.

[4] His name is PJ.

[5] Or in fact, those are his initial, so that's not even his real name.

[6] But just suffice to say, people call him PJ who are friends with him, so you'll hear me referring to him as PJ.

[7] He has a movie coming out on June 1st called Action Point.

[8] That looks hysterical.

[9] The reason he made it is really funny.

[10] So we were very, very excited to have him in today and, you know, this dude has really gone through the ringer and we get into it.

[11] I mean, he's hurt his penis very severely more than once.

[12] And, you know, we got to applaud him for that and celebrate him.

[13] And that's what we're going to do.

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[26] He's an upsharexswain.

[27] He's an up tovets good.

[28] Headphones in general?

[29] I do a radio show for Sirius and I wear them, but I have to wear them half on, half off because I, am so loud that I need to be able to hear sure can I tell you what I like about the headphones what's that I know you're super curious I was going to ask something about the headphones on and then us talking in the microphones I kind of lose my other senses and it becomes kind of an alternate reality for me it almost feels like doing drugs there's something about like locking into my ears I've always noticed when I go do radio interviews I'm like I feel like I'm in a good mood when I'm doing that.

[30] Yeah.

[31] And I think it's like canceling out everything else.

[32] I'd rather just do drugs.

[33] Yeah.

[34] Those are quicker.

[35] And no, I know what you mean, but I need my foot.

[36] I need one foot on the ground.

[37] Right.

[38] I would imagine that about you.

[39] Yeah.

[40] Okay.

[41] Today, our guest on Armchair expert is, you know, Miss Johnny Knoxville, but friends call you PJ, right?

[42] Yeah, PJ, uh, yeah, PJ, Fantastic.

[43] And so you did go by PJ as a kid.

[44] Yeah.

[45] Uh -huh.

[46] And who started that?

[47] Your parents or?

[48] Uh, you know, yeah, my parents, apparently they called me Chip for like a few months, which I'm so glad that didn't play out.

[49] Was it while the TV show Chips was popular?

[50] No, no. Well, I think maybe a little bit before.

[51] A little overlap.

[52] Okay.

[53] Okay.

[54] Yeah.

[55] But you know, you and I both have rich friends.

[56] And, um, Do you find it the least bit bothersome when they refer to a private jet as a PJ?

[57] I've never heard that before.

[58] Your friends are richer than mine.

[59] Listen, we have many of the same friends.

[60] Just how I know you socially.

[61] God, that's really annoying.

[62] That's like referring to Sandra Bullock as Sandy.

[63] Yes, yes, yes.

[64] PJ makes it sound cutesy.

[65] Like, not only are you loaded, but look how cute this is.

[66] We're going to take a PJ over to Puerto Rico.

[67] Oh, God.

[68] We're going to get an H. on the PJ.

[69] Yeah.

[70] Well, that's the goal of a PJ.

[71] Yeah.

[72] If you're not getting Hs, you've wasted, you've spent your money in the wrong direction.

[73] What are you doing?

[74] But you, you, all your buddies's grown up.

[75] I'm just fixated on your name for half a second.

[76] All your buddies called you PJ.

[77] Yeah.

[78] Or did they, they didn't call you by your last name.

[79] Because where I'm from, everyone called each other by their last names.

[80] Uh, my coaches would call me by my last name.

[81] Clap.

[82] Yeah.

[83] That could be a rough last name to be called in high school, right?

[84] Well, like in middle school, I wasn't even sure what it was, but soon as I got my letters jacket, freshman, year they put clap on the back and they just i just got murdered what sport did you play that you got a jacket baseball oh really yeah what position i know so little about baseball but i picture in first base so you were the stud are those the two best positions and maybe shortstop or something shortstop's usually your best athlete catcher as well catchers like the the quarterback okay of i mean the pitcher controls the game but the catcher controls everything else I'm basing this, I think, on don't the pitchers get paid the most in the...

[85] It depends.

[86] Okay.

[87] They got a hit, too.

[88] Yeah, I think maybe the hitters probably get paid.

[89] It's probably neck and neck.

[90] Okay.

[91] And how long did you play baseball?

[92] From six until I was 18.

[93] All through high school.

[94] Yeah, and then I hurt my arm as senior year.

[95] So then baseball was done.

[96] Heard it from pitching or heard it?

[97] You did.

[98] Did you have aspirations?

[99] Do you think you were going to play in college or...

[100] Yeah, I could have played college.

[101] ball.

[102] Really?

[103] Yeah, but I don't think I would have done, I couldn't have done much after college ball, but right, but I could have done that.

[104] And now, had all this happened to you in 2018, could you have benefited from that surgery people get now?

[105] I'm having to get it.

[106] Like, I'm supposed to get it earlier this month.

[107] I get it maybe next month.

[108] Could I give it to you here on the podcast?

[109] Yes, yes.

[110] I have a cadaver tendon in that little fridge next to the Red Bull.

[111] I love it.

[112] Where's the anesthesiologist is the most important thing.

[113] I'll do it.

[114] I assume, okay.

[115] Perfect.

[116] I assumed you came with enough stuff to put you out.

[117] Right, right, right.

[118] We'll just have Monica oversee it.

[119] More stuff to wake me up and put me out.

[120] Right, right.

[121] That's what part of the day we're in.

[122] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[123] It's right pocket, not left pocket part of the day.

[124] You're on the climb, right?

[125] Yeah, yeah.

[126] When do you peek out, like 4 p .m., 5 p .m.?

[127] I usually peter out around 6 in bed by 930.

[128] Right, right.

[129] I went camping with you.

[130] We went camping together.

[131] And yeah, you put her down early.

[132] You circle the runway and then you start.

[133] your descent.

[134] Oh, man. Around nine, right?

[135] Yeah, it's pathetic.

[136] And you did the most kind and manly thing for me. I, my car, I'm not a great driver, so there's dents here and there.

[137] And you just walk up with like a dent fixing suitcase.

[138] And he just, I didn't ask him.

[139] He just walked up and started fixing the dents in my car.

[140] I was like, that is so kind.

[141] I didn't know it was your car.

[142] I just kept your, otherwise you'd put more dents.

[143] I would have spray painted.

[144] Fuck you.

[145] Yeah.

[146] Fuck you clap.

[147] but I kept, you drive a suburban not to blow your identity in case people are combing L .A. looking for you.

[148] Oh, yeah, yeah.

[149] But you drive a black suburban and it was, we were in cabins next to one another.

[150] So I kept walking by your suburban every time I went in and out to get a diaper or whatnot.

[151] And I kept noticing this pretty good grapefruit size dent in your, in your fender.

[152] And I thought, I just, it drove me nuts.

[153] I thought, I bet if I pop the hood, I could reach my hand in there and kind of pop that out manually.

[154] And then you walked up and I was just under the hood of your vehicle.

[155] And I had been inside the vehicle to pop the hood and whatnot.

[156] And you caught me red -handed.

[157] But just to go to that place, like, because I can't fix anything.

[158] I don't know.

[159] Like to even go, I, what if I could McGiver that dent out?

[160] I just, I can't even.

[161] So you're really obviously very handy.

[162] I'm mechanical.

[163] Yeah, yeah.

[164] But I think OCD as well.

[165] So just that.

[166] Oh, I'm that.

[167] But I can't fix anything.

[168] What a madness you must live in.

[169] Because if you're seeing all this stuff.

[170] that's driving you nuts but you can't do anything about it oh yeah that's a purgatory yeah no wonder you're medicated well no no i that kind of stuff doesn't i don't go ocd on that kind of stuff okay yeah what kind of stuff you just do things repetitively yes okay great yes me too yeah well i've largely stopped but as a kid it fucking plagued me like i i had these routines that took 10 minutes for me to take a shit i had to be bare naked for star girl oh boing yeah i had to be bare naked i was in a phase where i do every single thing twice, right?

[171] So when it came time to wipe my butt, I also had this weird OCD thing.

[172] I had to take the toilet paper a roll, walk out of the bathroom, touch the hallway wall, then come back in.

[173] Now I've got what before after I pooped, after I pooped.

[174] So yeah, I'm walking around.

[175] Is that where you're getting at?

[176] So it was clean, no, clean toilet paper.

[177] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[178] So on the roll.

[179] Off the wall.

[180] No, no, no, no. Everything was nice and tidy.

[181] Okay.

[182] But I just want you to imagine I was spackling in his mom's wall.

[183] I'm going to really go for it.

[184] So I also had to be in what is the position that people now get in with the squatty potty, right?

[185] So I basically would be standing on the toilet, crouched down, bare naked, then it came time to wipe.

[186] I had to walk out in the hallway, touch the hallway, come back.

[187] But then I had to do that twice before, while you were still a little messy back there, you would have to touch the wall?

[188] Of course.

[189] So you're just sloshing it around.

[190] You're making it so much worse for yourself.

[191] But I'm eight.

[192] So, you know, it's cute.

[193] I hope.

[194] Like, if I did this now, it would be a real drag.

[195] Oh, it's just all the getting matted and all the hair.

[196] Well, again, there was no hair back there.

[197] It was nice and clean.

[198] And then so my anxiety of walking into the hallway bare naked, because I didn't want anyone to see me. I didn't want anyone to know I had this ritual.

[199] And then by the time I was done, I had at least 30 feet of toilet paper that I didn't need.

[200] Oh, you wouldn't break it off.

[201] Well, I would.

[202] I would.

[203] I would start, you know, making it usable into usable sizes.

[204] But when you walked across, it was one piece.

[205] Yes, that I was running out like a garden hose.

[206] and I would touch the wall and then I would come back in and this was my ritual and I didn't want anyone to know and we went to this amusement park I'm hearing about your party routine so we go to this amusement park in Ohio we stop at Pizza Hut on the way home I have a stepdad then that I don't like he's an angry man and he's violent and I go to the bathroom at Pizza Hut I've been holding it all day at the amusement park I'm in there bare fucking naked in a public bathroom crouched on the toilet seat and I've been in there for a while while and all of a sudden here it's knocking at the door and it's my stepdad and he's like what are you doing in there and I was like I felt so vulnerable because I was naked in that weird position in a public restaurant in a dirty public restaurant right what was a fucking pizza hut so he goes what are you doing in there and I and I go just going to the bathroom and he goes you better not be doing what I think you're doing which what did he think you're doing well now in retrospect I think he was accusing me of beating off in there in the pizza hut in the pizza The bathroom in Ohio, Sandusky, Ohio.

[207] But I thought he meant, oh, my God, what are you doing?

[208] You better not be doing it.

[209] You thought he knew about your ritual.

[210] Whole routine.

[211] And it was the most panicked I've ever been in my life.

[212] But I want to hear, did you have these weird things as a kid?

[213] Yeah, I mean, I would, I mean, not that creative.

[214] Okay.

[215] Thank you for euphemizing it.

[216] Mind my way, I would just bite my fingernails and toenails down to the quick.

[217] Uh -huh.

[218] Just little things like super obsessive things.

[219] And has anyone ever told you what OCD comes from?

[220] Isn't it fear and you're trying to control things?

[221] You're trying to control things.

[222] Yeah, yeah.

[223] I've since talked to a psychiatrist said that's too simple.

[224] It's actually a part of your brain could be bigger than the rest.

[225] But regardless, let's say it's control.

[226] Do you remember what it was that was kind of chaotic?

[227] That may be when all this started.

[228] My childhood, you know, sometimes my parents would fight and whatnot.

[229] Uh -huh.

[230] So, and I'm like really sensitive and so that would really freak me out.

[231] Uh -huh.

[232] And you have siblings?

[233] Yes.

[234] What order are you?

[235] I'm the baby.

[236] Oh, you're the baby.

[237] And did they like take care of you and fall in over you?

[238] Yeah.

[239] That's why you can't fix anything.

[240] Yeah.

[241] No, I literally had to do nothing between my mom baby.

[242] I was just, they'd either be baby me or putting me up to do something terrible.

[243] Uh -huh.

[244] So.

[245] And was your, did your dad watch on just go, oh, they're spoiling.

[246] this kid he's going to no he uh i was like a a toy for them uh -huh you know i was programmed to attack people from the time i was three and four you know my dad all his friends go go hit him in the cards so a three and four -year -old i would go over and just you know hit somebody in the nuts as hard as i could and i thought that's how you said hello sure um so were you were you was there a big gap between the two sisters and you, were you like, were you a miracle baby?

[247] No, my dad called it an M &M baby.

[248] What's that mean?

[249] You came between menstruation and menopause.

[250] You said, the best part of you ran down your mama's crack, boy.

[251] That's a line from Beaufort Tea Justice.

[252] Yeah.

[253] Well, I kind of delivered it like that.

[254] Yeah.

[255] When we get home, I'm going to punch your mama in the mouth.

[256] So what state did you grow up in?

[257] Tennessee.

[258] Tennessee.

[259] Yeah?

[260] Yeah.

[261] And like in a rural area or in the city?

[262] Well, it was the city, but we had a pony in our backyard because it used to be the county.

[263] And then since we got the pony grandfathered in because it used to be the county.

[264] So there's woods surrounding my house.

[265] Right.

[266] And you could go get lost in there and stuff.

[267] Yeah.

[268] Yeah.

[269] That was fun.

[270] Because like my sisters, when I was six or seven, they, you know, they were about to move out.

[271] So most of my childhood.

[272] I was kind of only child in the house right after a certain point yeah and I've made all these assumptions about you because I've been I've known of you for 25 years now like I 25 I think when was when did jackass first come out even before that you guys had made a video that kind of circulated Hollywood and it was you guys doing some crazy stunts and I assume that video was used in pitching the show eventually right but you you had a bulletproof vest on and you got shot right like, well, I was supposed to get shot.

[273] But when we got out there, my friend refused to shoot me. Okay.

[274] So I had to shoot myself.

[275] Oh, even worse.

[276] It's even worse because I'm like, oh, God, is this going to back?

[277] Is this going to back?

[278] And like, I was broke at the time and I bought the cheapest best they had.

[279] Oh, Jesus.

[280] And I call, I'm like, hey, these best, they're good best, right?

[281] And they're like, these are the top of the line.

[282] I'm like, great, because I'm going to shoot myself while wearing a bullet.

[283] And they're like, can we call you back?

[284] Oh, sure.

[285] And they called me back and there's like, don't do it.

[286] I was like, too late.

[287] I've already said I would.

[288] I already promised three knuckleheads.

[289] Yeah.

[290] If I don't go through with this, I'll never hear the end of it.

[291] Well, no, I just feel I can't go back on it.

[292] Absolutely.

[293] Especially if you go out there that far, you can't.

[294] It's just terrible.

[295] But yeah, you had, so you had done that.

[296] And I had seen that.

[297] Like somehow, a good friend of mine who maybe you even knew Kareem El -Safie.

[298] He's no sense that you knew the Lincens, right?

[299] new.

[300] Yeah, I know John.

[301] Yes.

[302] Yeah.

[303] So that, that had ended up there.

[304] And my friend was an assistant to them.

[305] He's like, you got to fucking see this video.

[306] Cream was, uh, he's sweet, sweet, he's sweetest guy ever died.

[307] I don't know if I know that.

[308] Yeah, I was at the funeral.

[309] Oh, you were.

[310] Yeah.

[311] Oh, that's really nice.

[312] So I knew of you.

[313] And so, and I was fascinated with you for sure.

[314] And I thought you dressed cool and you look cool.

[315] I just was very into the whole package.

[316] And I'm from a lot of package.

[317] And I'm from an area that's on outskirts of Detroit, but again, turns to rural farmland on the other side of us, right?

[318] Just west of where I grew up.

[319] So I've made all these assumptions about you.

[320] And one of them being is you must have, yeah, been in the woods, left to your own devices as a kid, lighting shit on fire and crashing shit.

[321] And is that accurate?

[322] Yeah, I wasn't, I was relatively rowdy, but is either in the woods.

[323] or watching like the Wild Bunch or Sanford and son with my father.

[324] We ate dinner around the television and we were constantly watching television or watching some films.

[325] So that was such a big, I was either daydreaming or watching the results of other people's daydreams.

[326] Yeah, but I guess what I'm saying is I can't imagine a kid that grew up in Manhattan has jumped over a bonfire or put a pink can full of gas in a bonfire or fucking lit and something on fire out in a junk pile.

[327] Right.

[328] Where would they do that?

[329] Yeah.

[330] So there's a certain skill set that you can kind of hone in the country, right?

[331] Yeah.

[332] Yeah.

[333] Okay.

[334] So then you start doing the show and it's immediately everyone loves it, right?

[335] How long had you been pursuing doing something in entertainment before the show started?

[336] What age were you when Jackass started?

[337] When it came on the air, I believe I was 29.

[338] And I'd moved out here after high school to act, but I didn't do any.

[339] I just pretty much stayed loaded until I was like 25, 24.

[340] And then my then wife got pregnant.

[341] Uh -huh.

[342] And I was, ooh, I got to think of something quick.

[343] Yeah.

[344] I had a daughter.

[345] And that enforced me to like, I got an agent.

[346] I started doing commercials.

[347] Lenson took some of the things I was writing and sent it to an editor and he got me jobs writing for magazines.

[348] Oh, really?

[349] Yeah.

[350] Like what magazines were you writing?

[351] Bikini, those kinds of things.

[352] The famous bikini magazine.

[353] There was a couple of others they had.

[354] I wrote for Big Brother and some of the most publications.

[355] Vice.

[356] Was Vice a thing?

[357] Vice wasn't a thing.

[358] that I knew of yet right it probably was in New York yeah I don't know yeah but I think they started in Canada but I didn't know of them and for a few years but that would have been a really good fit for you oh yeah right because there was I remember the first time I read it was like a guy who's just a normal dude not a addict like me was like I'm gonna try crack I'm gonna smoke crack for a few days and then he'd write an article about it which was very dangerous yeah back then in in the sex drugs and rock and roll the the book the vice book It just has pictures of different people on different drugs.

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[379] When did you start doing drugs?

[380] Well, I had allergy -induced asthma.

[381] So from five and six years old, I was taking four or five pills a day.

[382] Really?

[383] Yeah.

[384] When I would have a bad asthma attack and the inhaler wouldn't work, sometimes that doesn't help.

[385] Yeah.

[386] I would have to go to the emergency room and they would shoot me up.

[387] give you a shot of adrenaline.

[388] Yes, yes.

[389] And it is, it's quite a jolt.

[390] I've had it for bee stings.

[391] Ah, I'm allergic.

[392] Especially when you're little.

[393] It's an electrifying experience.

[394] Yeah.

[395] You're real shaky.

[396] Yeah, but it really, it really, then you get a breathing treatment and then I would start settling down.

[397] Uh -huh.

[398] So I just.

[399] So you've had a relationship with your body is, you can't regulate your body, basically.

[400] And there's these outside things you put in your body and then you gets to where you want to be.

[401] that's like kind of a formative relationship with anything, right?

[402] Yeah, you know, a lot of people are like, oh, I hate the hospital, this or that, and I get it.

[403] But with me, I would be so scared when I would get in these attacks that when I go to the hospital, I would feel better after.

[404] So that was my first.

[405] So I identify with that.

[406] Yeah, you have a really, as opposed to the dread of it.

[407] Uh -huh.

[408] Yeah, you have a great association with the hospital.

[409] And I'm in them a lot.

[410] Sure.

[411] doing stunts so it's like they make me feel better they fix things so how do you go from auditioning for presumably like you know kFC ads and whatnot to deciding i'm going to do this thing i'm going to do crazy stunts that no one else will do and then i'm going to try to make that a show how does that come about you know i love hunter s thompson and so a lot of the articles i was doing was it like my poor man's imitation of a participatory...

[412] Sure, God's journalism.

[413] And so it started down that route.

[414] And then I had an idea for an article.

[415] I saw some guy getting pepper sprayed on the news.

[416] And I just thought that was so funny.

[417] Sure.

[418] And so I'm like, I should do an article where I get pepper sprayed, stun gun, taser gun, and then I'll test the bulletproof vest on myself.

[419] And everyone loved the idea, but no one wanted to pay for it or participate.

[420] They were like, bring it to us afterwards.

[421] Well, you didn't have any money to buy any of that stuff.

[422] Right.

[423] And so the only magazine that would have anything to do with it was Big Brother, Jeff Tremaine's magazine, who went on to direct Jack Asson.

[424] Oh, okay.

[425] And I was just going to write an article, and they were doing skateboard videos.

[426] They were working on their second one.

[427] And he goes, we'll film it too.

[428] Uh -huh.

[429] I'm like, okay.

[430] That's great.

[431] Yeah.

[432] But then I show up to the camera guy the next morning.

[433] I pull up to get him.

[434] And I'm like, all right, get in.

[435] And he goes, okay, here's the camera.

[436] Do you get play here?

[437] I'm like, you're not coming?

[438] He's like, I can't because there was a gun involved.

[439] No one won.

[440] Even they didn't want to be involved with it.

[441] Well, there's like three layers.

[442] A, you don't want to witness someone fucking die.

[443] That's just out of the gates when you wake up in the morning.

[444] You're like, I hope I don't see anyone die today.

[445] And then secondly, the liability of it, right?

[446] Right.

[447] I don't want to be in a courtroom or be deposed over this.

[448] Yeah, my, the guy who took photos for me, Jeff Bender, he had, we got out there and he was trying to talk me out of it.

[449] He's like, I saw a friend of mine die once doing a stunt.

[450] I'm like, that's not helping, Jeff.

[451] Right, not the time for that story.

[452] Yeah.

[453] But they were, yeah, it was, it was pretty.

[454] Similarly, I once was in an off -road race and, you know, had some nerves about it.

[455] And as I pulled up, the guy who started the race had a claw in his face was completely melted because he had caught fire in an off -road race.

[456] And he was, he's the last thing you see, every racer sees as you take off.

[457] I was like, I had, you know, I had prepared for maybe a, you know, a stiff neck or a broken bone, but I did not think I might be melted after this.

[458] It was, it was very disturbing.

[459] Does it fill you with confidence?

[460] No, maybe at the finish line.

[461] you bring that guy out.

[462] He should be giving everyone the checkered flag, but not like have a good race.

[463] Yeah.

[464] When you're doing something, anything along those lines, you have to commit.

[465] Yes.

[466] And if anything that, like that you see or someone's telling you not to do it, it just it's, I can't.

[467] Even when we're doing stunts today, if someone's negative on the set, we'll just, I won't.

[468] You'll pull the plug.

[469] Yeah.

[470] And we'll do it another time.

[471] Okay.

[472] And so can you compartmentalize the death like you can just remove that from your brain as an option yeah i i don't go there like a few days out you think about that you're like oh you kind of go over all the bad things that can happen yeah but as it gets closer i just try to calm down and and then my magical thinking kicks in and then whatever fears left i just override uh -huh but as um which is not the healthiest thing ever yeah whatever but i think it's rare to be able to do that yeah most people the closer you get the more high ramping up yeah yeah but as a kid well i have to yeah i just the only thing i want to be clear on before we move on is is as a kid were you a daredevil or is this something that you decided fuck it i have to i have to be willing to do whatever it takes to to be successful at journalism or be successful in another area or were you always that i wasn't like the rowdiest guy in the class but I was pretty rowdy sure my my father best explained it uh Rolling Stone had asked him why does he do what he does he's like well he's like that Dominican baseball player he ain't going to get off that island by a button oh that's a that's probably a really great analogy yeah I was at that point of like I have a daughter now and I have to do something and fast Yeah.

[473] And I just took all my interest at that moment, which were like Hunter S. Thompson.

[474] Did you like Bukowski?

[475] Yes.

[476] Yeah.

[477] Love Bukowski.

[478] He was John Infante.

[479] Oh, sure.

[480] Ask the dusk.

[481] I had my daughter.

[482] She was born when I was 24.

[483] Aye, yeah.

[484] So, yeah.

[485] I was terrified.

[486] Yeah.

[487] Now, look, I would have been an alcoholic, I think, no matter what happened.

[488] But I definitely think during the.

[489] that period, I needed relief.

[490] Like, I needed a, I needed some hours of the day where I wasn't obsessing about the fact that I was accomplishing nothing.

[491] I needed relief very badly.

[492] Right.

[493] Now, how long have you been sober?

[494] 13 years.

[495] Oh, congratulations.

[496] Yeah.

[497] Thank you.

[498] But yes, I was a very heavy drug user and a full -blown alcoholic.

[499] But for many years, I was like, functioning.

[500] Yeah, yeah.

[501] Yeah, I went to college and stuff and I went through the groundlings and stuff.

[502] But I was like, oh, I want to be Bukowski.

[503] So I'm killing it.

[504] Like, I, I, I'm, My heroes were Hunter S. Thompson, Bukowski, all these other, you know, country outlaw musicians.

[505] So it didn't, I didn't feel.

[506] How you choose your heroes.

[507] Yeah.

[508] For real.

[509] I didn't have any shame really about it.

[510] Like four, if I would blow four days on a bender, I would think, yeah, I'm bullseying what my heroes did.

[511] Towns Van Zant did it.

[512] Why can't I?

[513] Yeah.

[514] If you, I'm sure you have, if you watched the tales from the tour bus thing that Judge does.

[515] Oh, I love it.

[516] Oh, it's so good.

[517] It's amazing.

[518] And I had read Whalen's autobiography, so I thought it was really up to speed on him.

[519] But there's a, did you watch the two -part Whalen one?

[520] I've seen, seen them all.

[521] Okay.

[522] Well, Well, Well, and Jennings is my hands -down favorite musician ever.

[523] Yeah.

[524] And, oh, he's the greatest.

[525] Test of him is when you put him in the highway men.

[526] And now he's with the best.

[527] He's with the best of the best.

[528] And when he comes and starts singing, you go, oh, no, right.

[529] That's the top of the mountain right there.

[530] I was a damn builder.

[531] cross the river deep and wide.

[532] And you're like, oh, shit, Whalen.

[533] Waylon is so, I mean, just, he was like a handsome guy and had the amazing voice and the wonderful guitar player.

[534] And he was really, he was an outlaw country guy, but he's also a punk.

[535] You know, he was very, he was a punk rock hillbilly.

[536] And weirdly liberal, too, for that scene.

[537] Like he was, I mean, America, that song America, he's like very inclusive of Native Americans and all these things.

[538] But there's a part of, in that tour tales from the tour bus where he and the band are you know there's old bandmates are talking about like how many amphetamine pills they would be taken and right before the show they just kind of make sure they were all on kind of the same level yeah i was taking the same drug yeah yeah and the guy goes out he goes uh i'll taking six uh mike's taking six uh hoss how many of you take in wailants like 30 yeah times five of what everyone else was on i don't think i really realized the the appetite he had i knew he was like full -blown coke addict but I didn't realize like the real appetite, like a kilo a week.

[539] He, I mean, Johnny Cash would take a hundred dexedrine a day.

[540] A hundred.

[541] Oh, my God.

[542] And Whalen, I heard, like, go through an out, not like an OZ of blow a day.

[543] Yeah.

[544] You know, an eight ball would be fine for all five, six people in this room.

[545] Yeah, for a whole great evening.

[546] I mean, the out -law country guys partied so much harder than any of the rise.

[547] guys or any of the punk guys it's you're not even they're not even on the scoreboard and it's under this veil of like wholesome music like a middle of america yeah it's really funny and ironic um yeah uh but but i imagine because when they got into the details of him like regularly his schedule is up up for five days down for two days up for five days and i was thinking my goodness what did he feel like towards the end yeah i think over it yeah probably old.

[548] You know?

[549] Yeah.

[550] But you make all these decisions when you're young and you're kind of proceeding through life as if you're never going to see 40, right?

[551] Isn't that kind of the...

[552] No, no, I didn't, I wasn't in, I wasn't in that mindset.

[553] I don't mean like you'll be dead, but just like, who gives a shit about 20 years from now?

[554] Uh, I was in that, I was in that mindset.

[555] Right.

[556] But I wasn't until I'm going to die before 40 mindset.

[557] Oh, no, no, no. Yeah, but I just thought, I'm not just, I'm not too worried about how I'm going to feel at 40.

[558] Yeah, but I don't think that that's really special to you and I. I think that's just how kids are.

[559] Yeah, most of them.

[560] I think you're right.

[561] But I do think a lot of people were very afraid of drugs, the long -term effects of drugs.

[562] Right.

[563] And I just wasn't that concerned about it.

[564] Well, if you're taking them, you're not going to, like the people that were concerned weren't taking them.

[565] Yes, yes.

[566] We didn't have those concerns.

[567] Yes.

[568] Okay, so you have this video.

[569] I see it.

[570] It kind of goes all around.

[571] Hollywood and then you magically get somehow you get MTV to get on board and how did they deal with the liability of that they only had to deal with it for nine months and then I quit the show oh you did yeah why um because we unfortunately had some copycat incidents where oh people got hurt yeah and yeah and what you did and then it was an election year and joseph leverman picked our show and me personally to come down on.

[572] And they came, Washington came down on Biocom and MTV.

[573] Oh, really?

[574] And it got impossible to do the show.

[575] We're only air for nine months, but they buy them in blocks of eight.

[576] And they call that eight a season, even though maybe last three months.

[577] By the time, the third season, the, you know, we're into our six month.

[578] All these lawyers were on it.

[579] And we, you can't jump off anything.

[580] Four feet are higher.

[581] what are we what are we doing yeah you know yeah so I decided I didn't want to none of us wanted to do a watered down version of the show so I just quit MTV was very upset contractually they certainly had you legally for five or six or seven years right yeah probably but I didn't read the contract you just quit okay and but out of that came the a good result is we did the movie.

[582] And then that all the, then we could do whatever we wanted.

[583] Because it was R -rated and we could, it opened up.

[584] We could do the things we couldn't do on television.

[585] Oh.

[586] But we still were.

[587] So am I delusional?

[588] In my mind, there were many seasons.

[589] 24 episodes that you shot all at once and then you never did it again.

[590] Yeah, 24 episodes over nine months.

[591] Maybe there, and there was two specials.

[592] So 26th and that's it.

[593] But they aired it for.

[594] Yeah, I'm completely.

[595] 10, 12 years.

[596] If you would have asked me how many years that show was on, how many seasons I would have definitely thought six or seven.

[597] Oh, it was on for 10.

[598] Yeah.

[599] They just re -ran those episodes.

[600] Yeah, yeah.

[601] Well, then that kind of ruins one of my questions because the most exciting thing for me, because I'm a long -time fan of Brad Pitt's.

[602] I just, I'm so in love with them, I can't stand it.

[603] And fucking Brad Pitt was on the show one episode, right?

[604] You guys had abducted him.

[605] Yeah, we did two things with him.

[606] So it clearly had aired.

[607] enough for him to see it to them.

[608] I assume that call came in from him, right?

[609] You guys weren't sitting around going, we should reach out to Brad Pitt, or did you?

[610] No, it was, I think he was at Spikes one day.

[611] We started talking, or Spike had already talked to him about it.

[612] Okay.

[613] I think Spike maybe said, hey, Brad Pitt's up for doing something.

[614] But it hadn't aired yet?

[615] It had already been on television for a couple.

[616] three months.

[617] Okay.

[618] So he had some sense of what he was saying yes to.

[619] Yeah.

[620] And he came on the set and we first, we did the thing where we had abducted him.

[621] I should sing it from the hot dog.

[622] What's the hot dog place?

[623] Pinks?

[624] Pinks, yeah.

[625] And then we put him in a guerrilla suit and we were just bombing the hill on Vine and yuck up.

[626] And shopping carts, right?

[627] Not shopping carts.

[628] It Like little, I don't know, little four wheelers or something.

[629] Okay.

[630] And we were all like worried you to kill Brad Pitt.

[631] National treasure.

[632] Yeah.

[633] You don't need to get hurt, man. We need you to be, because we were all concerned because he's such a good guy and so amazingly handsome.

[634] Oh, my God, yeah.

[635] But no, he just takes off down the middle of the street before anyone can get him to stop.

[636] He was down.

[637] Yes, yes, yes.

[638] So, well, that's the thing.

[639] he even over delivers, doesn't he, that son of a bitch.

[640] Yeah.

[641] He couldn't be any, you know, he's a great guy.

[642] Yeah.

[643] And he's from Oklahoma or some shit like that.

[644] Missouri?

[645] Yeah, Missouri.

[646] Yeah, yeah.

[647] So he's lit in some shit on fire, I think, out in the woods.

[648] Yeah, he's rowdy.

[649] Yeah, yeah, he's rowdy.

[650] We loved him.

[651] Everybody loves.

[652] Did it cross your mind of like, we got to get him in a stunt?

[653] We got to get that top off ASAP.

[654] No, we put him in the guerrillas.

[655] We took the most handsome guy on the planet and covered him up in the You would, the opposite direction.

[656] Every idea I would have had would have been set in a swimming pool.

[657] Yeah.

[658] Yeah.

[659] Yeah.

[660] Yeah.

[661] Yeah.

[662] Yeah.

[663] Yeah.

[664] Yeah.

[665] Yeah.

[666] I don't blame you.

[667] Or at least minimally raining, you know.

[668] Yeah.

[669] Get that sheer see -through thing.

[670] Yeah.

[671] It can be almost better than the shirt off.

[672] Yeah.

[673] So what is your like, you know, what is your ego and your identity doing in that moment where you start this little thing?

[674] It's impossible.

[675] And then all of a sudden, you have the biggest movie star on the planet participating in your little show.

[676] What are you, what's that experience like?

[677] Like, it was pretty overwhelming, you know.

[678] Yeah.

[679] For a few years, it was, you felt like you're living someone else's life, but just, you know, like we were talking about earlier, be careful how you choose your heroes.

[680] Uh -huh.

[681] Because it's like, well, they were living it up.

[682] Yeah.

[683] So I should probably live it up.

[684] And that takes a toll after a while.

[685] Uh -huh.

[686] And you have to reel it in at some point.

[687] Yeah, well, I got to say, again, having been a fan of yours and looking at you from the outside and also having the relationship I've had with drinking and doing drugs, you're fascinating to me because you somehow like played around the fire nonstop and then you just didn't go down.

[688] Yeah.

[689] Like, right, you went as maybe as far as you can go without literally needing to go to rehab or.

[690] to, you know, ending up in jail or whatever the fuck, the things we do.

[691] And I remember watching you thinking, like, God, is he going to be able to fucking ride this unicycle?

[692] And then to my amazement, you're one of the handful of people that, like, got to do it hard and then somehow didn't go all the way.

[693] And people around you died, right?

[694] Yeah.

[695] Yeah.

[696] Me too.

[697] Yeah.

[698] I don't know.

[699] I just, I also had a kid.

[700] Yeah.

[701] So that kept me from going overboard.

[702] That's what you were, yeah, tied to the dock with a little bit.

[703] She saved, save me. Yeah.

[704] How old is she now?

[705] 22.

[706] She's graduating college.

[707] Have you ever told her that?

[708] Or is that too weird of a conversation?

[709] Yeah, that would be.

[710] Because you'd be admitting how much shit you did or just it would be too, too saccharine for you?

[711] I don't know how you deliver that.

[712] That's a lot of energy coming at your child.

[713] You know, that it is.

[714] That's a lot of pressure.

[715] It's tough to like, oh, I recognize it'd actually be way more for you than for her.

[716] Yeah.

[717] I think if my dad, who my dad was a coke addict and then got sober and died sober.

[718] But if he had told me, boy, if it wasn't for you, I would have gone all the way and died.

[719] I guess, yeah, that would just maybe be weird.

[720] Yeah.

[721] But when I said it first, it sounded really flattering, like it would really warm her heart.

[722] Well, yeah, I don't know.

[723] Well, I guess let me, let me come in it from another angle.

[724] I think we'd all like to think we save someone's life before we die.

[725] That's kind of a cool thing.

[726] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[727] Like if you saw someone drowning or whatever, pulled someone over a car crash.

[728] Yeah.

[729] I'm just assuming it's kind of a, you know, like a really ubiquitous desire for us to save someone's life.

[730] But I'm rethinking the whole thing.

[731] Maybe she's an armchair and she'll find out.

[732] Yeah.

[733] But you said his name, Spike Jones, he was involved right from the get -go.

[734] Yeah, what Jeff and I were trying to figure out what kind of show we wanted to do.

[735] We're trying to develop a TV show.

[736] And then Jeff had went to high school with Spike in Maryland.

[737] So they were friends.

[738] I knew Spike a little, but Jeff and him were really close at the time.

[739] Yeah.

[740] And he goes, well, should we see if Spike wants to do this with this?

[741] Yeah.

[742] Like, yes.

[743] Yeah.

[744] At that point, what he had done, the, the sabotage video.

[745] Yeah, I mean, the Buddy Holly video.

[746] Oh, I mean, like so many huge videos.

[747] He was right.

[748] And he was just getting, I think he may have been working on being John Malkovich at the time.

[749] But what a lucky coincidence that Spike Jones is in your circle at that time, right?

[750] Because this guy's one of the most gifted human beings alive.

[751] Do we agree?

[752] Yeah, I don't know, 100%.

[753] 100%.

[754] And he's not good at this or that.

[755] He's good at at all.

[756] every side of the business like the business side the entertain the creative uh -huh he he sees it he sees the whole field did you see her yeah it's brilliant i felt physically love sick for like four days after i saw it i don't think i've had that feeling from a movie and anytime i can remember but i was like i just felt like someone someone i love broke up with me for like four days yeah it's it emotionally put you through the ringer it's wonderful just brilliant at writing and execution and top the bottom.

[757] So the movies, they, I don't know what your expectations were, but just me again on the outside thinking, oh, they're doing a movie, you know, that'll be cool.

[758] What were your expectations?

[759] Low.

[760] We never thought the show was going to get on TV.

[761] Right.

[762] And then we did a movie.

[763] We were like, no one's going to come see it.

[764] Right.

[765] And so that's everyone felt that way.

[766] Yeah.

[767] So we.

[768] Well, it's a reality.

[769] movie.

[770] I don't even know if what were other reality features films then.

[771] Were there any?

[772] I can't remember any.

[773] I have no clue.

[774] Yeah, so you're like, basically, this is a documentary.

[775] You guys are releasing a documentary.

[776] Documentaries don't make $100 million.

[777] One has.

[778] Yeah.

[779] How much did the first one make?

[780] You don't, and if you can't remember Monica will say in the fact check later.

[781] Over a hundred million, right?

[782] Yeah, I believe so.

[783] I can't remember.

[784] Yeah.

[785] And you've made how many of them?

[786] Three.

[787] Three.

[788] And they've all been gigantic.

[789] They, I think each one has done better so that we've been very lucky.

[790] And bad grandpa did good.

[791] It's not a, it's kind of from the same.

[792] It is from the same thing, but not everyone was involved.

[793] Right.

[794] Are you uncomfortable talking about money?

[795] Uh, I guess.

[796] Yeah.

[797] I am too.

[798] I mean, I'm not uncomfortable talking about your money, but I'm talking about money.

[799] I, I, yeah.

[800] Do you care about money?

[801] Let's start there.

[802] I, I, I, I, I, As long as I do is to the point where I need to support my family, right, you know.

[803] But I think, again, if you have a family, I can't not imagine feeling that way.

[804] Right.

[805] Because that's the center of your, that's the center of your whole life.

[806] You have to depend on you and you want to take care of them.

[807] Yeah.

[808] But were, did you get a sense of relief when those movies did what they did?

[809] I would just, I would be relieved that I'm still walking.

[810] Right.

[811] There was that relief at the end of every film of, like, thank God.

[812] I, you know.

[813] You're not in a wheelchair.

[814] Yeah, like I felt that way at the end of action point, too.

[815] The movie that you're, yeah, that's coming out June 1st.

[816] What happened in that that you?

[817] Well, it's, it was inspired by Action Park, which was the most dangerous theme park of all time.

[818] It was insane.

[819] There's a 14 minute doc online that everyone should watch.

[820] The owner was like, I'm not going to hassle the kids with a bunch of rules.

[821] Let's leave safety up to them.

[822] And he did and it was a shit show.

[823] Okay.

[824] What state was this in?

[825] New Jersey in the 70s, 80s, you know, before class action laws.

[826] Before jurisprudence.

[827] Yeah, yeah.

[828] In the documentary, like, were people dying at this place?

[829] Yeah, there were some of those, some of those instances.

[830] Oh, my goodness.

[831] Yeah, it was.

[832] Wow, so a lot of injuries.

[833] The swimming pool, they had a couple of bad, the wave pool, they had a couple of bad instances.

[834] Sure.

[835] And they eventually painted the bottom of it black to make it easier to find the body.

[836] Oh my goodness.

[837] Wow.

[838] It was more like a haunted house in this place.

[839] It was, but no, documentary, all the kids that went there, just love it.

[840] It was like Lord of the Flies, you know.

[841] If you survived it, it made you stronger.

[842] Yeah.

[843] Well, yeah, because I mean, it was, you made you, like, help your immune system.

[844] Like, girls would go in the water and get yeast infections.

[845] It was so, everything was so dirty.

[846] Right, yeah.

[847] So it really thinned out the herd probably.

[848] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[849] So you saw that documentary and you said this has to be a movie.

[850] Yeah, Derek Freida sent me the documentary and he's like, you have to see this.

[851] Uh -huh.

[852] And that's what inspired the movie.

[853] And like I'm the owner of a dangerous theme park.

[854] And that's a great world where I can do all my own stunts.

[855] And I ask the stunt guys, I'm asking you to do them like me. No cutting on the action, no pads.

[856] We're not going to pass.

[857] We're not going to pass.

[858] pads were going to dirt or concrete and we did and uh yeah it was most injuries ever on a movie for me oh really yeah how old are you now 47 ish yeah and um is it is it hurt more now no it doesn't no hurts the same okay but i never was in that did you guys i wasn't never too involved with that side of it uh -huh i just wanted the footage yeah and i knew the hurt was coming but I just want the footage and I can I can deal with that side of it can I ask a question I wanted to ask earlier when you complete a stunt what is the feeling is it relief or is it excitement or both or what is it because I'm so scared of everything so I can I could never do that and I don't know what that feeling would be it's yeah it's overwhelming relief and enjoy for having done something great just that I am walking away from, sometimes I don't walk.

[859] Sometimes I got knocked out a few times.

[860] And they, the stunt coordinator, Charlie Grisham, he says, I always know when you're concussed because you get so sweet afterwards.

[861] Yeah.

[862] I'm so sweet talking to him when I usually, we just talk shit to each other.

[863] Oh, that's funny.

[864] Do you freak out when you see these documentaries about CTE disorder or whatever the football thing is?

[865] brain disease do you like spin out about that uh i i don't spin out but it is a area of concern and i have a neurologist that i've gotten you know that i see in there in the middle of doing some tests some baseline tests after we got finished filming action point and at that point i just had three concussions and i was in the middle of doing the baseline test then we did reshoots i got another concussion.

[866] So I have to go back and start those all over again.

[867] But at the time, my brain had completely reset itself.

[868] Oh, really?

[869] And how could he determine that?

[870] Is he looking in there with like a pet scan or something?

[871] Yeah, I had like, yeah, there was a lot of.

[872] A little helmet on with that.

[873] Oh, yeah.

[874] There's a lot of things.

[875] And you have to do little tests.

[876] Oh, a lot of tests.

[877] You can't really test for it unless it's an autopsy.

[878] But I think I heard recently that there is some kind of something you can do so you'll probably be looking into that uh -huh didn't mean to bring you down no no i know i'm just i because i don't know how to yeah because of that and be funny well i because i haven't had uh 10th of the many as you but i had such a bad one that i will be watching that and i'm like oh my god is my personality going to radically change at 50 you know like when you hear these stories you can yeah yeah it's it's really scary i mean if i mean if i you got to lose anything literally your brain's the last thing you want to go bad on you right sometimes you can go more impulsive and angry yes a lot of those yeah the wives will describe like all of a sudden i was living with a guy i'd never met like he was violent and explosive and all these things yeah yeah but you're with a baller she'll tell you right away if you start acting different oh yeah she knows karate she's not fucking around so um you you got more hurt on this than anything yeah did you were you did they ever have to shut down production while you healed from something yes at the end of the by the end of the film they can only film one side of my face what uh would it be a spoiler if you told me what happened to the other side of your face we put all the most dangerous stunts to the end and one was a i go i go flying off the alpine slide okay and we had been testing it a bunch with a stunt guy he would go off and in pads and a Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[879] And we had it where I realized flying like 20 feet in the air, about six feet off the ground.

[880] Uh -huh.

[881] But when he would land, he would kind of roll out of it.

[882] Yeah.

[883] I don't want to.

[884] First of all, I couldn't if I try, but I definitely didn't want to like make it look.

[885] Yeah.

[886] Yeah.

[887] So, boy, did I stick the landing.

[888] Oh, you do.

[889] Yeah.

[890] Oh, wonderful.

[891] And I flew through the air like 20 feet.

[892] And then the only thing that stopped my forward momentum was my forward momentum was my.

[893] face hitting the ground.

[894] I get the worst concussion.

[895] I couldn't remember where I was, really, and I told him, Los Angeles.

[896] I was in Cape Town.

[897] I couldn't remember so many.

[898] But my memory came back and got checked out and at the hospital, went back to my hotel room, had blood in my nose.

[899] So I blew my nose.

[900] And when I blew my nose, my eye started coming out of its socket.

[901] And I popped it back in and went back to the emergency.

[902] room.

[903] And what happened was, I didn't know, but they told me that on impact, my orbital lamina bone had just disappeared.

[904] It was just powdered.

[905] And when I was blowing my nose, I was blowing air behind you.

[906] Yes.

[907] You're just not expecting it.

[908] Yeah.

[909] It really comes out of nowhere.

[910] It came out of nowhere.

[911] Yeah.

[912] I really blindsided.

[913] Yeah.

[914] It was just so relaxed, being back to the hotel room.

[915] Take it easy.

[916] Yeah.

[917] And then I, boy, wing, wing, oh my goodness.

[918] And how on earth did they fix that?

[919] Do you have like a cheetah mandible in there now or something?

[920] Well, I didn't.

[921] They just had to watch it for a few weeks.

[922] You couldn't blow your nose, obviously.

[923] Or sneeze for six weeks.

[924] Oh, boy.

[925] And I'm really bad allergies.

[926] So I was just like, I don't know how this is going to work.

[927] Right.

[928] No pepper on your food.

[929] But they taught, like, ophthalmologist was like, oh, if you do have to do it like this and just let it all go, don't try to hold anything back.

[930] Uh -huh.

[931] And you could really shoot your eyeball.

[932] ball across the room like a fucking ping pong ball and but then like five days later i'm walking around cape town with ponnius and he says something funny i got an eye patch on and fall on pirate and for whatever reason i laughed and i grabbed my nose and held and doing it comes out again oh my god so double vision i put it back in but uh it only happened twice just the totality of all the injuries in the movie at the end i you know it was it was a lot and i lost my mother and no November, and we, like, and then I got another concussion and lost a few teeth after that.

[933] Oh, yeah, yeah.

[934] So, did you have these talks with yourself at all where you're like, do you have any like existential crises where you're like, what's the end of this?

[935] How many times do I need to do this?

[936] Do you have any of those kind of moments?

[937] I realize that I only can, you can only take so many chances.

[938] Yeah.

[939] And I've been very, I mean, I've been injured a lot, but I've been very lucky.

[940] Yeah.

[941] So I know it eventually has to stop.

[942] I'm pretty, I'm not very body conscious, thank God.

[943] I have to, I go to the doctor's, like, I don't know, once or twice a month.

[944] I go see some doctor for something.

[945] Uh -huh.

[946] My back was pretty bad for a while, but it's kind of evened out.

[947] But did something happen to your penis, you were saying on Stern, right?

[948] Yeah, I broke my penis.

[949] once too.

[950] On a fence?

[951] No, I was trying to backflip a motorcycle and I don't know how to ride a motorcycle.

[952] Sure, sure.

[953] I saw a bunch of yours downstairs.

[954] You're a very manly man. Can fix dents, ride motorcycles.

[955] But I literally, Travis Mastrona had to let out the clutch for me when I was trying to backflip a motorcycle.

[956] And he's like, whatever you do, when you come off the ramp, don't let go the motorcycle because it'll go 20 feet up, turn into a rocket, and come back down and hit you.

[957] But sometimes when I'm doing stunts, people are talking to me, but I'm not listening.

[958] Yeah, you're in your like zone.

[959] I'm just somewhere else.

[960] Uh -huh.

[961] And I guess that was one of those moments.

[962] Yeah.

[963] Because about the fourth, I think maybe every time I let go of the motorcycle, I try to do it four times.

[964] Yeah.

[965] And on the fourth time, I let go, go straight up in the air.

[966] And my knees are behind.

[967] I hit my down on my back of my knees are behind my head.

[968] Uh -huh.

[969] And the motorcycle comes down and breaks its handlebars off on my cross.

[970] Oh, my God.

[971] Is there blood?

[972] Well, I didn't.

[973] I felt like I was peeing my pants.

[974] Sure.

[975] So I looked, I was unzipped, and every time my heart would beat blood would chewed out my penis.

[976] How many people are watching your penis project?

[977] I only, I only saw that.

[978] I know Matt Hoffman or Travis may have been standing there, but I don't know.

[979] Okay.

[980] But I walked over to the doctor on the set, the EMT.

[981] I'm like, is this bad?

[982] Oh, I knew it was bad.

[983] I didn't, he goes, we have to get you to the hospital right now.

[984] Because you can bleed out really quick, right?

[985] There's a ton of blood flow there.

[986] Yeah, internally.

[987] Did it, it cut the base of your penis, your perineum, your urethra?

[988] Yeah.

[989] Did it sever any of your Vaz deference?

[990] No, no. Vaz is doing fine.

[991] It is great.

[992] Okay, so you can get erections and whatnot.

[993] Yeah, well, it's funny because, yeah, I had to go straight in surgery.

[994] And the doctor came in and talked to me. Naomi was there.

[995] my wife beautiful nice kind wife yeah so sweet and risk adverse yeah level yeah totally level solid yeah um yeah the rock thank god she's a rock yes you're orbiting her yeah i'm kind of hovering around and and but she was the doctor came out and they're like okay you have to go into surgery and he walked out and she was telling me it's going to be okay and i started getting an erection right then when she was telling you know giving me a hug so i'm like okay well that's good news yeah yeah yeah Yeah.

[996] Wow.

[997] Just from a hug.

[998] Yeah.

[999] Oh, wow.

[1000] I have a great imagination.

[1001] I think you're more virile than I am.

[1002] I'm envious.

[1003] If you get hard from a hug.

[1004] It's your wife.

[1005] From your wife of a while at that point.

[1006] No, no. She was new.

[1007] Well, I mean, that still happens.

[1008] Oh, from her.

[1009] That's really nice.

[1010] Oh, my God.

[1011] That's really romantic.

[1012] Don't you think?

[1013] Yeah, I do.

[1014] And you met her.

[1015] She's going to kill me for saying that.

[1016] It's a big compliment.

[1017] I know.

[1018] Thanks for saving it.

[1019] Yeah, how could she not think?

[1020] But on your way to the hospital while your dick is draining tons of blood, you must be thinking of the worst scenario, right?

[1021] Like, well, that's a wrap on that, dick.

[1022] It's gone.

[1023] No, I mean, they take them, I was getting loaded in the back of the emergency, the ambulance.

[1024] And I was posing and flexing.

[1025] and I was there was no existential crisis in that moment.

[1026] Soaking up the attention.

[1027] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1028] The most popular guy there.

[1029] I was having a grand old time.

[1030] Oh, my goodness.

[1031] I had to catheter twice a day for three and a half years after that.

[1032] Oh, my God.

[1033] And it's like a big, like, 16 inch long catheter, bigger than a number two pencil.

[1034] Okay.

[1035] Which is weird because I, you know, I'm sitting on two inches.

[1036] but you'd have to put it all the way in until it hit bladder and then you'd have to push a little when it hit your bladder you had to push a little harder for it to go in and soon as it went in all the pee would rush out it just started spraying out yeah it just spray out and you had to lube it sure because it was you had to wet it and get it all lubed up before you put it in but after doing it when I first started doing it I was very careful but you do it for a few months and it's just like okay But sometimes, like, all the lube wouldn't be activated.

[1037] And it's just like sandpaper where it's not activated.

[1038] This is my, I got to say, I think that'd be my worst nightmares, have to put something to my urethro over and over again.

[1039] It's got to be the most excruciating experience.

[1040] Yeah, it really didn't feel great at first.

[1041] But, like, when I woke up one morning and my boxers were covered in blood.

[1042] Oh, boy.

[1043] And I just, like, I was like, oh, God, I hope it's the, I hope it's the front.

[1044] I hope it's the front.

[1045] And I don't know why I was so, it's front or back.

[1046] It's terrible.

[1047] It's a terrible problem to have.

[1048] I'm with you.

[1049] I don't want to be hemorrhging blood out of my ass.

[1050] But I had done it so fast that I ripped it open again.

[1051] But not as bad as the first time.

[1052] That happened a couple times.

[1053] Oh, PJ.

[1054] You've got to be more careful.

[1055] Have you seen those commercials with the old cowboy who says he, he's been catheter for 25 years or whatever?

[1056] Have you seen those?

[1057] The catheter commercials?

[1058] The catheter cowboy?

[1059] Yeah.

[1060] I haven't.

[1061] I don't know if I've seen the catheter or cowboy, but I've seen some catheter commercials and...

[1062] Well, they got this one in particular where it's an old...

[1063] The catheter cow...

[1064] Yeah, we need a spokesperson.

[1065] John Oliver has now kind of taken charge of that.

[1066] It's a real commercial, but then he hired a guy that does it just the same.

[1067] But what's so great about the commercial, I don't think anyone's really thought of is this guy goes, Hey, I've been cowboying for 25 years.

[1068] And I cath every day.

[1069] That's how it starts, right?

[1070] Yeah, he uses it as a verb.

[1071] And the interesting thing is, when you're looking at...

[1072] this guy, the guy has to be 75, right?

[1073] So I thought, wait, he started cowboying at 50?

[1074] This doesn't make any sense.

[1075] Right, right.

[1076] No one fucking crunched the numbers on this commercial.

[1077] This guy's probably never been on a horse or anything, but at least go, I've been cowboying for 50 years.

[1078] Right, right, right.

[1079] Right.

[1080] Right.

[1081] Well, I mean, you're writing the cath commercial.

[1082] You know, he probably, this is no assessment of his intelligence or not, but who knows if he even knows what cathing is.

[1083] I mean, it's, it could, if you've not cathed.

[1084] Yeah.

[1085] You might even think you're selling some other product, you know, how did I not get that spot?

[1086] You, listen, I can't imagine a better celebrity endorsement.

[1087] I mean, you, the new cath cowboy.

[1088] He goes, I hate being in pain when a cath.

[1089] So I use, he's got some great product that makes cathy a breeze.

[1090] Why would he be in pain when he, I guess if, I guess if the shaft was too big, it could really.

[1091] Yeah.

[1092] I think it's implicit in just that his cowboyian, that that urethra is very girthy.

[1093] Yeah.

[1094] He just looks like he's got a big old garden hose down.

[1095] Yeah, it's like his catheters, like the size of a roll of dimes.

[1096] When do you meet Naomi?

[1097] What age?

[1098] I can't remember.

[1099] Around that, around there.

[1100] And does she change her life?

[1101] Yes, she did.

[1102] She did.

[1103] I had known her a little before.

[1104] And at that time of my life, she, like she wanted she's like I can't be around the fireworks show yeah yeah yeah and I didn't hear from her for a long time and and then she came back into my life and I always said if she comes back into my life I'm going to settle down yeah and then you were able to do that yeah yeah was it easy or hard uh no it's just something I wanted to do Right.

[1105] So it wasn't, you were ready.

[1106] It wasn't hard.

[1107] Yeah, I was ready.

[1108] Okay.

[1109] You liked women though, right?

[1110] I like them a lot.

[1111] Yeah.

[1112] Would you say that that was that the number one drug?

[1113] Yeah, that was that was part of it.

[1114] Uh -huh.

[1115] And how do you, how do you shut it off?

[1116] Because I have my own personal journey with that.

[1117] Yeah.

[1118] I just didn't want to lose her.

[1119] Okay.

[1120] That's great.

[1121] So that's, my thing was it had run the same course.

[1122] as drugs had and I didn't want it for me right you know what I'm saying so when we met she's like Kristen was like I'm not sure I could ever trust you really giving your your history and I'm like that's a legit concern I said the only thing I could say to maybe help you would be that I'm not I'm not going to do it for you so I'm doing it for you and I'm in China sometime and I don't think anyone knows me you know who knows what I do if I think I can get away with it I said but if it's for me I can't get away with it because it's for me. You know, I, again, I don't know what your experience was, but mine was, you know, towards the end before I met Kristen, it was just like drugs.

[1123] It was like, okay, I need to regulate how I feel right now.

[1124] Right.

[1125] And it's just like you drug, you think it's making you feel better or adds to your self -worth or, you know, it's just weird.

[1126] Validation, right?

[1127] reasons you're doing it well mine was like a mind's addicted to validation i uh i pinpoint someone i'm sure would never like me this person went like me and then i go to task trying to win them over by being funny or dancing or whatever goddamn thing they want and then i and then if i can get them to like me i i think i'm going to feel better about myself you grew up your your dad uh he was a alcoholic drug addict love women yeah so you that was your model and you and you also like you always He just wanted people to like you.

[1128] I wanted everyone to like me because it's, you're a child of an addict.

[1129] Yeah.

[1130] And also I didn't do well with girls for a long time.

[1131] And then all of a sudden I started skateboarding.

[1132] My brother made me do my hair a certain way and started dressing me a certain way.

[1133] And then all these girls like me and I was like, get the fuck out of here.

[1134] And it was I couldn't stop.

[1135] Right.

[1136] Didn't never stop until, you know, 11 years ago.

[1137] Because I wanted it so bad like elementary school.

[1138] All my buddies had girlfriends and stuff and none of them liked me. And, you know, all kinds of.

[1139] stuff.

[1140] I also think I got molested.

[1141] I think that's somehow in the stew somewhere, like over -sexualized maybe.

[1142] Oh, man, that's rough.

[1143] Yeah.

[1144] We can edit that out if I make you uncomfortable.

[1145] No, I mean, but I think it's all in the soup for me and mostly just the, what you're saying, approval.

[1146] I want everyone to like me. I want every girl to want to date me. I just can't get enough.

[1147] Yeah.

[1148] I will, you brought up sexual, like when I was four or five, they, you know, they would buy me playboys and I would sit there and look at the.

[1149] the playboys and name every part, you know, and for their amusement, right?

[1150] But that was like, it seemed harmless at the time, but it's like, I was, my therapist, like, your youth was kind of sexualized by that.

[1151] Yeah.

[1152] And also, so many things that I think are awesome and they're great stories about me as a kid.

[1153] I imagine putting my own children through.

[1154] And then now I realize, oh, Jesus, no, that should have never been happening.

[1155] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1156] Right.

[1157] Well, was it, yeah, did.

[1158] different time.

[1159] I've been around you guys and you guys are such a really beautiful couple and you seem very, very happy around her and it's kind of a cool thing to say.

[1160] I want to tell you now my personal and I brought it up to you one time and I think it made you uncomfortable.

[1161] I can't find my nicotine.

[1162] Do you see me panicking right now?

[1163] Yeah.

[1164] Yeah, where the fuck's my nicotine?

[1165] Probably in your couch.

[1166] Drugs and sex, but I got to have my nicotine.

[1167] He's got to have something.

[1168] It's right there.

[1169] I got to have 80 milligrams of nicotine a day to function.

[1170] How many, how much did you start on?

[1171] Like, is it, it used to be like 10 or 20.

[1172] It stays consistent.

[1173] I do a sheet of these a day.

[1174] Sometimes a sheet in half, depending on if I'm stressed about something.

[1175] But I use a smoke a pack and I have a cigarettes a day.

[1176] So this is much better.

[1177] Well, it's like my cousin who stopped doing drugs and alcohol, but then he started drinking like a 12 pack of monster energy drinks a day.

[1178] I'm like, but you're doing the same thing with the nicotine.

[1179] Like, how many sheets of that a day?

[1180] One sheet.

[1181] These aren't bad for you.

[1182] They raise your blood pressure.

[1183] That's the single side effect of these.

[1184] But I have moderate to low blood pressure, PJ.

[1185] I'm sure you'll come out the other side.

[1186] You haven't bottomed out on the nicotine yet.

[1187] How dare you sit in your ivory tower telling me I can't have nicotine.

[1188] But here's my personal.

[1189] So I was a fan of yours, but then I had all these personal kind of weaving back and forth with you.

[1190] And it really started with me doing idiocracy down in Austin.

[1191] And you had just finished a movie like a month before.

[1192] Yeah, probably the Olympics.

[1193] The ringer.

[1194] Yeah.

[1195] Yeah.

[1196] And you had become friends with Mike Judge, maybe even long before that, but you guys were friends.

[1197] Yeah.

[1198] And Mike and I were friends and I really liked him.

[1199] And this was my first bout of getting sober, right?

[1200] I got sober for that movie.

[1201] I relapsed after that, but during that movie, I was sober.

[1202] Right.

[1203] And Mike and I got along so well and I liked him so much.

[1204] I idolize him.

[1205] Yeah.

[1206] And then occasionally, he'd have to break off from me because he'd go hang out with you.

[1207] Right.

[1208] Because it was time to have some cocktails and shit.

[1209] Yeah.

[1210] Yeah.

[1211] And I just always.

[1212] bummed me out, through no fault of anyone's, just me going like, God, I wish I could fucking party with Judge and I can't.

[1213] At that point, you couldn't be around it.

[1214] Well, not only could, I could have perhaps been around it, but I don't think he would have felt great about it.

[1215] Like, he didn't want someone that's going to remember everything.

[1216] Right.

[1217] No one's the dude that's going to remember the whole night with them.

[1218] And yeah, probably at that time, I was much more, it was a much bigger thing to me. Now I could give a fuck and you could smoke crack in front of me. It'd be fine, I think.

[1219] Let's try.

[1220] And so then I think this little seed for me is planted like, oh, that dude's cooler than me. Mike Judge likes him more than me, right?

[1221] So this is just the foundation.

[1222] Right, right, right, right.

[1223] Then you and I are both mutual friends with Jimmy Kimmel.

[1224] Yeah.

[1225] And then I start kind of seeing you semi -regularly over at his house.

[1226] I want to say I see you like seven or eight times.

[1227] And when those times happened, you're the only person I don't talk to there.

[1228] And so I then deduce Was it like a choice?

[1229] No, I very much like again, I was a fan of yours.

[1230] I very much would have loved to have talked to you.

[1231] And then probably, well again, we come to this and I'll admit this.

[1232] In those times, in those couple years of seeing you, I concoct this insane story in my head, which is you hate me. And now I'm like, well, that's obvious.

[1233] The guy hates me. Now what could be one of the reasons he hates me?

[1234] Wow.

[1235] Did you think I wasn't talking to you on purpose?

[1236] Yes, yes.

[1237] I thought for sure you were not talking.

[1238] talking to me. Right.

[1239] And one other time back in the judged thing, I somehow went somewhere with him and there was a pool table involved and you were there.

[1240] And I also felt like you didn't want to talk to me at that time.

[1241] And so I had concocted this whole thing, right, where you don't like me. And now I don't really have a reason why you don't like me. And then I decided in my head this like, oh, well, punk came right after Jackass.

[1242] So he thinks that we were ripping him off his show and then he hates me and all this thing.

[1243] And I create this whole story about why you don't like me right and I don't even know if you remember me saying this to you but eventually last year I I see you and I go I'm gonna be honest with you I think you don't like me and I'm and I concocted this crazy story and I just had to deal with it because it was bothering me oh and you go no I'm I'm just shy I would I've never decided not to talk to you I've just never talked to you yeah I I I know I actually I don't even remember you bringing that up to me I'm in so in my own little world and I also like in public place I get very uncomfortable uh -huh you have social anxiety a little bit yes yes especially in crowds uh -huh and it seems like most of times oh yeah yeah I would see you it was like in a crowd situation so I I kind of shut down a little in crowded situations uh -huh so yeah I never had any reason to dislike you and And as far as punk goes, like any shows that did anything, you guys had your own thing.

[1244] You know, you guys had your own thing going.

[1245] But any shows that kind of did anything in our area, I knew about, but I couldn't, I didn't want to watch them and then subconsciously pick up something.

[1246] Yes.

[1247] And then do it.

[1248] And then I'm fucked because.

[1249] Yes.

[1250] I couldn't.

[1251] So I just, there's never even saw it.

[1252] Couldn't watch anything that was in our area.

[1253] Yeah.

[1254] I don't want to read a script while I'm writing a script because I'm afraid somehow subconsciously and then I'm going to look like I rip somebody off.

[1255] Yeah, you think it's an idea four months later.

[1256] You don't even realize it's a memory and not a new idea.

[1257] And that's like I'm a little obsessive on that.

[1258] Like I just, I can't.

[1259] Right.

[1260] And it's maybe not rational.

[1261] I think I can go watch all those shows now.

[1262] Uh -huh.

[1263] But I just shut everything out.

[1264] Well, and also it's all in, it's all on my side of the street because not, not only did I concoct that whole story where you hated me, right?

[1265] Yeah.

[1266] Because I was biting your style and ripping you off.

[1267] None of that.

[1268] It's compounded by the fact that I liked you.

[1269] And also, I know things about you.

[1270] Like, I know you're into country.

[1271] I know we both have a kind of weird obsession with like lower income white trash culture, if I can call it that.

[1272] There's like some kind of the Hunter S. Thompson thing.

[1273] There's all these things I thought, oh you guys you and i would really see eye to eye on all this stuff and then i'll throw in a dose of like me being jealous that you could still party like somehow you kept it on the rails and i didn't right so i'm over on this side of the room having this super complicated relationship with you yeah you spun out a little absolutely it's a hundred percent in my head yeah you you don't even note any of this is going i didn't know you were upset by me i didn't know you thought Because, like, I would have, if I known you were upset, if that upset, I would have come, I said, gave you a hug.

[1274] Sure, sure.

[1275] I just don't know.

[1276] I'm so.

[1277] You're a nice guy.

[1278] I'm in my own little.

[1279] And I used to say to Kimmel, I'm like, what, what is your interaction with PJ like?

[1280] What's the basis of this friendship?

[1281] Like, I'm very curious about it because I think this guy hates me. Like, I was really trying, it was occupying.

[1282] Oh, I'm sorry.

[1283] No, it's ridiculous, but I just want to admit it to you to your face because I feel like it might help someone else who's a lunatic about something else.

[1284] And I also thought we could maybe relate on this, which I thought would be bonding is, have you had this, you know, you, you, you started doing these stunts in reality TV and then you want to act.

[1285] And then do you, do you, did you have the same, like, when I first started doing movies and they would always bring up punk, it would like really trigger me. And I'm like, I'm not a just a reality, whatever.

[1286] I had this huge complex that no one thought I was a real actor or that I had, that's not what I was always trying to do.

[1287] And I thought, Oh, you had to have gone through that, and that was something that we could bond over.

[1288] I never would twitch or cringe when someone brought up jackass.

[1289] I've always been, I know it's silly, but it's always something I've been very proud of.

[1290] Well, you should.

[1291] And by the way, had I created Punkt, if it was my show, I was just an actor on Punk.

[1292] So it's not mine.

[1293] And I bet, yeah, if I hit like, that was my brainchild and I executed.

[1294] it, I probably would have carried a lot more.

[1295] And by the way, now, 15 years later, I'm crazy proud of punk.

[1296] Like, I'm super happy.

[1297] I was on it and grateful.

[1298] But there was just a period of time where I so desperately wanted to be one of these many actors that I was trying to model myself after wanting to be.

[1299] And I just felt like this thing was getting in the way.

[1300] Or people wanted me to just be that thing.

[1301] Yeah.

[1302] Did you, do you have a, you see a therapist?

[1303] Well, I'm in AA.

[1304] So I do a lot of.

[1305] So just AA, but no. No therapy.

[1306] Right.

[1307] Yeah.

[1308] You think I should go with you to.

[1309] Yeah.

[1310] Yeah.

[1311] We'll do, we'll go do doubles.

[1312] Couples.

[1313] Couples therapy.

[1314] I was like, honest, I had no idea.

[1315] He was so upset.

[1316] Like I. Yeah.

[1317] Yeah.

[1318] You'd be like, he just, he winds himself up into these things.

[1319] And then he's all in his head.

[1320] He just, he gets triggered.

[1321] And then he spirals.

[1322] And then there's tears.

[1323] And then we're here.

[1324] I think it would be I think the therapist would get a real bang out of it even if we got nothing out of it it might make his day we would probably start trying to entertain and no longer trying to do therapy absolutely we're just trying to and do you see a man do you see a man no oh you don't you see a woman yeah so I think for me that'd be counterproductive because again I'd be trying to like impress her or win her over in some capacity right you don't do that no I just try to be as honest as you can because otherwise you know I I'm just sitting there hanging picture frames.

[1325] Right.

[1326] And how long have you been going to therapy?

[1327] Well, just honest, right before action point, I stopped.

[1328] Okay.

[1329] Because I knew I was going to have to go to a certain place.

[1330] Right.

[1331] And it wasn't going to probably be a healthy place.

[1332] And I'm not going to pretend here in therapy that everything's great with me. What is the internal monologue as you're about to do something like that?

[1333] Do you have to say you're a failure, you don't do this is there like a no i don't go that direction i just know that what i have in mind for the film and what that means and what that's going to take and with my stunts i i once i leave the ramp or jump off so i don't know what's going to happen so yeah uh i just have to kind of let go in my mind a little well i think tyson would go off antidepressants leading up to fights.

[1334] He's been pretty vocal about.

[1335] So it seems something like in that realm.

[1336] Yeah.

[1337] And who directed this one?

[1338] Tim Kirkby, English director.

[1339] Where did you find him?

[1340] He directed Fleabag.

[1341] And you had consumed that show?

[1342] No, I didn't see until afterwards.

[1343] Oh.

[1344] I had seen a film he did, a short film he did on The Clash.

[1345] Oh.

[1346] This girl obsessed with going to the clash and she meets the Clash.

[1347] And I thought.

[1348] it was really well done.

[1349] Uh -huh.

[1350] And did you, and so let me ask you this because there's a director of the movie.

[1351] There has to be a director of the movie, but this is so your world and your thing.

[1352] How does that, how does that, how do you navigate that?

[1353] We're like, cool, good idea, but it's got to go like this.

[1354] He was, Tim was very collaborative.

[1355] Uh -huh.

[1356] And so everything was discussion between us.

[1357] Uh -huh.

[1358] Some things I stayed out of, you know, I don't.

[1359] cameras and lighting I don't I can't yeah I can't invest my energy in that because it's not my area but you know I helped write the movie we had a few writers Dave Oshler and John Krenski wrote John Krenski not Krasinski no Krenski that poor guy so he's just a syllable away John Krasinski but it's John Krenski but we I mean Mike White helped me out out near the end.

[1360] Mike Judge helped us on the story.

[1361] Oh, really?

[1362] Robert Smigel did a draft.

[1363] We had some amazing people work on this.

[1364] And do you like that part of the process, writing?

[1365] Yes.

[1366] I get kind of obsessed with that area where it's all I can think about.

[1367] I write better alone because if I'm in a group of people, I get excited and my brain starts going zzz and I can't think clearly because I just I don't it's you're distracted yeah it never it's like I maybe it's like a small version of crowds being around in crowd we have done family and friend screenings and that kind of thing right that's all very helpful to the process yeah to see what's work especially with when you're doing a comedy yeah it's either people laugh or they don't yeah it's not like a drama where it's like I don't know what's...

[1368] Well, and also, unlike a drama, you can't put the perfect song in there and, like, bail yourself out.

[1369] It either fucking works or it doesn't, right?

[1370] Usually, I remember when we were screening bad grandpa, like, the first couple were good, but not where all the other ones had been.

[1371] And I just told Spike, I'm not going to the next one.

[1372] Fuck this.

[1373] I don't want to go.

[1374] Of course, I went.

[1375] It's very, I'm very sensitive.

[1376] I guess I'm very sensitive.

[1377] and because you know it's all of what we did yeah yeah yeah there's really no one to point the finger yeah yeah so those it's i'm not i go to them but it's it's tough because i'm about over traveling and being away from my kids yeah it's harder it gets harder every time and i just yeah i can't i can't do it to me the first two days are heaven and then the rest is just terrible if i have to be away first two days i'm like i sleep 10 hours i'm like this is awesome I can, I could sit here and watch TV all day long and do anything I want.

[1378] Then by day three, I'm like, who cares about any of this?

[1379] Yeah, I don't feel right.

[1380] I feel like a bird that broke its wing or something.

[1381] I'm not in stride or it's, I don't like it.

[1382] Well, you know, it's hard to say that you, in a business that has attracted a trillion different people that are all talented in all these different ways to have really stamped out a completely original thing.

[1383] like you did is is incredibly impressive well i appreciate you appreciate that no it's really really almost impossible just when you even think about what we're talking about the first jackass movie coming out going like well that no one even did that like you know there it's it's all very unique and and amazing and it's a really huge accomplishment i don't yeah it's tough to think about oh i did this and because i don't want to be that guy and i'm not that guy you know No, you're incredibly humble.

[1384] I think everyone that knows you would say about you.

[1385] Yeah, I'm just lucky.

[1386] That's why leave it to me. I'm telling you.

[1387] You don't have to walk around like that.

[1388] I'm just saying when I think of my short time on planet Earth, there are some people who I think of like Jim Carrey where I go, well, nobody came around and did that.

[1389] That was really something to witness.

[1390] That's really cool.

[1391] David Letterman, wow, that was something to really set eyes on.

[1392] And your thing was just wholly unique and weird and interesting and hysterical.

[1393] And I don't think anyone's ever gone to a jackass movie and not fucking laugh no matter where you're coming from.

[1394] It's a really, it's, it will stand out for me as the things I witnessed.

[1395] It's in that soup of like 20 things that I saw that are memorable and I'll never forget.

[1396] And it's really cool.

[1397] And I'm really glad you don't hate me. I couldn't like you anymore.

[1398] It's just, I'll fix your car for free for.

[1399] I'm so oblivious to, I was so oblivious.

[1400] I could have stopped it oblivious.

[1401] Yeah.

[1402] But no, I've come to find out most of the people are convinced that hated me. They did not hate me or even.

[1403] More importantly, never even thought about me. Wait, you've had that with other people?

[1404] Oh, absolutely.

[1405] So you really internalize any kind of rejection.

[1406] Well, like you, I'm sensitive.

[1407] What you perceive as, you perceive as rejection.

[1408] Absolutely.

[1409] I've come to realize no one's even thinking about me. They're thinking about themselves.

[1410] I'm not unlike me. I'm thinking about myself right i adore you tell me when your movie comes out again june first um yeah and it's it's scary you get super fucked up it's gonna deliver in all the ways that you've always delivered great summer movie yes uh and don't don't try any of the things you see PJ do uh but go and um in support movies so they keep getting made especially this one because who the hell's making these besides PJ.

[1411] Thanks for coming.

[1412] Thank you.

[1413] And for the record, I love you.

[1414] I don't dislike you whatsoever.

[1415] You're a great guy, a wonderful talent, and I've had a ball here today.

[1416] Thank you for having me. Now we don't have to go to your therapist.

[1417] Stay tuned if you'd like to hear my good friend and producer Monica Padman point out the many errors in the podcast you just heard.

[1418] Welcome to my favorite part of this podcast, which is the fact check with one.

[1419] My good friend, Monica Padman, and I, before we even started, I just want to say I was in a very cranky mood when you arrived here today at the attic because the power's out, there's no water.

[1420] I took a dump and I couldn't flush it and I was panicking that you were going to come here and Rob, but way more you, and you would discover that I had made waste.

[1421] And that was unacceptable to me and I ended up getting a five gallon jug of water.

[1422] This caused me $4 a flush of toilet because I filled the back of the toilet tank with some sparklets or arrowhead like a nice jug of what was I going to do?

[1423] I had to get rid of that before you.

[1424] Suffice to saying.

[1425] Tap water would have surprised.

[1426] No, it was gone.

[1427] No water.

[1428] Oh, yeah.

[1429] Not just in the toilet.

[1430] No water here at the clubhouse.

[1431] And also I had a crazy laser procedure on my face because I'm vain and I want to look good for my new show.

[1432] But you know what?

[1433] What?

[1434] You're honest.

[1435] Yes, I got that going for me. And they fucking blasted my face with like a flame throw.

[1436] You got to admit over the last four days, it looked like I went through the windshield of a car and then caught on fire.

[1437] Your face looks different.

[1438] I will say that.

[1439] Poor children.

[1440] And so for these reasons, and I'm just sick of it.

[1441] Now, I mean, it's getting better, but I'm sick of it.

[1442] And then just my physical overall health, it felt like I was at a five.

[1443] And I was so cranky.

[1444] And then you got here and I started opening up about it.

[1445] And then you were your nice, charming self.

[1446] And then here I am now.

[1447] I'm hovering around nine.

[1448] I just want to publicly thank you.

[1449] That makes me happy.

[1450] And then Rob took me up another 0 .5.

[1451] One day, I hope we get to the point where you would have left your poop.

[1452] Yeah.

[1453] I think that's the, I think that's the pie in the sky dream for us.

[1454] Yeah.

[1455] I'm just not there yet.

[1456] Okay.

[1457] Yeah.

[1458] It's been three years.

[1459] I can be patience.

[1460] Okay.

[1461] So let's talk about Jonathan Knoxville.

[1462] Because a funny thing happened that you guys don't know about that we know about.

[1463] A funny thing did happen.

[1464] We can start with that.

[1465] Okay.

[1466] So before Johnny even got here, PJ, I said to Monica, boy, I hope he brings up the story about me fixing his car because that's the kind of thing I want you guys to know about me that I'm mechanical and capable and competent and then there he brought it up right out of the gates he did you were so happy I was really shaking my head because I mean for you I wanted him to say it because I wanted you to feel bolstered okay but I also didn't want him I know I can feel that you didn't know it's complicated why I don't know I don't know I don't Yeah.

[1467] Can we dig into that?

[1468] I don't know why.

[1469] I think, well, actually, I do.

[1470] Because the thing that is making you want everyone to know that part, I think that's a little warped.

[1471] Like, I don't.

[1472] Oh, surely.

[1473] Okay, good.

[1474] At least we're on the same page about that.

[1475] This is like me thinking people like me because I'm a good driver.

[1476] Exactly.

[1477] I don't want to reinforce those things.

[1478] I think that's bad for you.

[1479] I think it's unhealthy for you.

[1480] Yeah.

[1481] I am also aware of the fact that just because I admit these flaws doesn't make them less stinky.

[1482] Yeah.

[1483] Yeah, sure.

[1484] It only goes so far.

[1485] I think it does.

[1486] I do think it makes it less.

[1487] I think acknowledging it is helpful.

[1488] Okay.

[1489] But anyways, I was going to tell him myself in the actual conversation with PJ, but then I didn't want to derail it with.

[1490] Yeah, I was also waiting for that.

[1491] That was that part two.

[1492] I was waiting for you to be like, oh, I wanted you to bring that up.

[1493] And I was just talking.

[1494] And then you didn't do that.

[1495] So, I was not happy.

[1496] Oh, wow.

[1497] You would have wanted me to do that.

[1498] I would have assumed you thought, oh, Jesus, hear more about you.

[1499] Thanks, PJ for driving over here to hear more about Dax.

[1500] It's very vulnerable to say what you're saying right now, that you wanted people to know that.

[1501] Well, this is a triple whammy.

[1502] I pooped in the toilet wouldn't flush.

[1503] I had a laser treatment because I'm vain.

[1504] And then I wanted people to know I can fix a car.

[1505] And I'm fucking 43 years old.

[1506] I hope I hope people learn from that.

[1507] Okay.

[1508] So PJ's last name is clap.

[1509] And we were talking about how that might be a not so great last name at that age.

[1510] And in case people don't know, that's because the clap is gonorrhea.

[1511] Yeah.

[1512] I don't know if everyone knows that.

[1513] That's an old timey.

[1514] It is.

[1515] It is.

[1516] And I think people my age grew up watching a lot of Vietnam movies.

[1517] And it was really common in Vietnam because people in R &R were going.

[1518] into these prostitution, I don't know what the nice, nice way to say it, but they would go on R &R in Bangkok, they'd go to Pat Pong, they did a little hanky -panky, and a lot of them got the clap, or gonorrhea.

[1519] Gonorrhea.

[1520] And you know, I assume younger people, probably people that listen to the show, they grew up with movies about Iraq and Afghanistan.

[1521] They permeated.

[1522] Sierra Dark 30.

[1523] Uh -huh.

[1524] Hurt locker.

[1525] That airplane movie The 9 -11 air movie No 9 -11 airplane movie Yes 54 Yeah maybe Studio 60 But you know so people who grew up with those The soldiers weren't banging in Iraq or Afghanistan I went to Afghanistan twice And I can tell you there was virtually no hanky -panky going on Or R &R or brothels So I assume that the STD rate Much lower for that set of wars.

[1526] You know where the guys would go on R &R in those wars is they would go to Qatar, which I flew into the first time went to Afghanistan.

[1527] Very cool city.

[1528] I had an idea of what that place would look like.

[1529] Then we landed and it looked like goddamn Miami.

[1530] Like all these skyscrapers on the water and they were all brightly lit and stuff.

[1531] And I was like, hmm, not a bad place to go on R &R.

[1532] Cool.

[1533] Hope you get the clap.

[1534] Okay.

[1535] There was a discussion of who gets paid the most in baseball.

[1536] You said pitchers, and according to a business insider article in 2014, so a tiny bit outdated, no positions make more money in Major League Baseball than starting pitchers and first baseman.

[1537] Ooh, okay.

[1538] So had he gone the distance, he would probably be the exact same riches he is now after three hit movies.

[1539] So I guess he didn't matter.

[1540] Okay.

[1541] So, oh, you refer to a surgery that pitchers get.

[1542] Like it was a common known surgery, but I didn't know what you were talking about, but you're talking about Tommy John surgery.

[1543] Yeah.

[1544] Which is actually called the ulnar collateral ligament reconstruction.

[1545] Tommy John surgery.

[1546] Tommy John's surgery.

[1547] There's also a panty brand Tommy Johns, but it ain't no me undies.

[1548] Just throw that in there.

[1549] I didn't get paid for that one, guys.

[1550] Yeah, named after Tommy John a pitcher, 1974 was the procedure when it was invented on Tommy yeah you sound super confident about that yeah the procedure was first performed in 1974 if it bears his name I have to imagine that it was on him in 1974 well it's named after the first baseball player to undergo the surgery Tommy John but I don't know if he was the first person to it's you know while we're on the topic, these baseball players, they state claim on diseases, like Lou Gehrig's, that's some kind of a neurological disorder or something.

[1551] Clearly it existed before our friend Lou got it.

[1552] Lou Gehrig's is ALS, yeah.

[1553] ALS?

[1554] Yeah.

[1555] Okay.

[1556] So he just got to put, he just got like a fancy name with it.

[1557] Well, it's like when astronomers discover a star, they get to name it.

[1558] Yeah, it's unfair really because it's just like they want to associate the PR.

[1559] for the diseases, wants to.

[1560] But you know, and I'm sure Magic Johnson's super happy for it.

[1561] They didn't rename AIDS Magic Johnson.

[1562] I know.

[1563] Well, let me be clear.

[1564] He never had AIDS.

[1565] They never named HIV Magic Johnson.

[1566] No. Which, by the way, sounds like a great diagnosis if you get.

[1567] Yeah.

[1568] Yeah.

[1569] You're right.

[1570] It's probably for the, okay, for the person, it's undesirable.

[1571] but for the disease, I hate to say this, but I'm going to, they want a celebrity to get it so that they can associate the disease with a famous person and then people will care more.

[1572] Be more compassionate.

[1573] Yeah.

[1574] I'm sticking to that theory.

[1575] You mentioned squatty potty because you were talking about your poop ritual, your OCD poop ritual.

[1576] And you were saying that you stood sat on the toilet in a way that was reminiscent of a squatty.

[1577] Potty.

[1578] So I don't know if people know, not everyone knows about a Squatty Potty, but they should.

[1579] Yeah, you love the Squatty Potty.

[1580] I love it so much.

[1581] They're not a sponsor yet.

[1582] Okay.

[1583] But I hope they become one because.

[1584] Well, and I bought you a really gorgeous one for your new apartment.

[1585] You did as a housewarming gift, a teak, squatty potty.

[1586] You almost feel like you're yachting when you're using it, right?

[1587] Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1588] But it is a full evac.

[1589] Yeah, right.

[1590] Nice, clean, full evac.

[1591] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1592] And it says the monkeys poop.

[1593] Right.

[1594] So anyway.

[1595] Primates.

[1596] Johnny said vice started in Canada and he's just right.

[1597] I was really embarrassed when he pointed that out.

[1598] Because as soon as he said it, I was like, oh, yeah, Montreal.

[1599] I was humiliated when that happened.

[1600] Yeah.

[1601] Why?

[1602] Is it like obvious that it was?

[1603] Well, because I was saying New York.

[1604] I mean, I think it went there next.

[1605] But why is it embarrassing?

[1606] Because I associated with Leslie Arfinn, right?

[1607] Because she wrote a column.

[1608] And then she had this great book.

[1609] She wrote Dear Diary that was compiled from Vice articles she wrote.

[1610] By the way, you guys buy that book.

[1611] It's so good.

[1612] And we love Leslie Arfin.

[1613] Anyways, I just felt like I was trying to be, I was trying to show him that I was cool and punk rock.

[1614] Uh -huh.

[1615] And then I misspoke.

[1616] Yeah, like something that I, anyone that's claiming to be cool and punk rock should know.

[1617] Got it.

[1618] Yeah.

[1619] I didn't know.

[1620] Right.

[1621] And I'm cool.

[1622] But you weren't, you're not going for like a punk rock thing like I am.

[1623] Not anymore.

[1624] Because I guess it's not working.

[1625] Okay.

[1626] You guys mentioned tales from the tour bus.

[1627] I just want to get a little more information on that in case people want to watch it.

[1628] It was on Cinemax.

[1629] Mike Judge created it and it's animated.

[1630] It's a nice little mix.

[1631] You do get actual archival footage of the events and then a lot of it's animated.

[1632] About different musicians and such, right?

[1633] Yeah.

[1634] And you loved it.

[1635] Yeah, it's so good.

[1636] Okay.

[1637] So I watched the Brad Pitt clip of Jackass And I was trying to figure out What they were riding down the street on Oh, uh -huh Because you had said shopping carts There was a clip in that of shopping carts But Brad must not have been in those Okay But they were a little like They looked like What are those cars called That like kids make?

[1638] Soapbox derby cars?

[1639] Yes.

[1640] Okay.

[1641] So they were kind of in soapbox Derby cars.

[1642] They were in soapbox derby cars.

[1643] Oh, that's great.

[1644] Yeah.

[1645] That's exactly what it was.

[1646] Also, Brad Pitt is from Missouri, but he was born in Oklahoma.

[1647] So did that make us both right?

[1648] No, you didn't.

[1649] I didn't have either of those.

[1650] I don't think you had either of those.

[1651] Okay.

[1652] But now commit it to memory.

[1653] I will.

[1654] You love him so much.

[1655] Yeah.

[1656] Okay.

[1657] You said documentaries don't make $100 million.

[1658] Maybe one has.

[1659] And one has.

[1660] You were absolutely.

[1661] Right.

[1662] It's Michael Moore's, right?

[1663] Fahrenheit 9 -11.

[1664] That one made $119191 ,194 ,000.

[1665] The next biggest is March of Penguins.

[1666] Oh, I wouldn't have guessed that.

[1667] I would have thought it'd been another Michael Moore documentary.

[1668] March of Penguins, which made 77.

[1669] Such a cute movie.

[1670] Was it a cute?

[1671] Do you remember that?

[1672] I didn't see it.

[1673] Oh, it's so cute.

[1674] It is.

[1675] Their life is so brutal.

[1676] What they do to have a little?

[1677] a little baby penguin because they have to take turns sitting on the egg and then their partner has to walk all the way back to the water which is miles and miles and miles and you see how stupid they walk Yeah, their locomotion is ridiculous They do a lot of sledding in fact because they walk so shitty that they end up sledding on their bellies which is cute Yeah, it's so cute.

[1678] It's really good.

[1679] Okay, do you want to guess what the third highest grossing documentary of all time is?

[1680] Now that you know those two are crossed off the list.

[1681] Yeah.

[1682] So my hunch is there's another Michael Moore documentary that was really big, I feel like.

[1683] And then I also want to say inconvenient truths probably in the mix.

[1684] Fuck.

[1685] What is it?

[1686] Justin Bieber never say never.

[1687] Oh, which our friend made, our friend directed.

[1688] Mm -hmm.

[1689] And you loved.

[1690] Yeah.

[1691] And as people will remember if they hear listen to the Kristen episode, I murdered some pigeons on the way to see that.

[1692] And yet we still left in a good mood.

[1693] Yeah, that's how good it was.

[1694] That's the power of that beaver flick.

[1695] Okay, so speaking of how much did the Jackass movies make?

[1696] Jackass the movie made $79 .4 million.

[1697] Jackass number two made $84 .6 million.

[1698] Jackass 3D, 171 .7 million.

[1699] Oh, oh, girl.

[1700] And then, that's...

[1701] Bad grandpa associated, not in that same, but, you know, associated, made 151 .8.

[1702] Oh my gosh, I'm glad you said that because ever since he was talking about bad grandpa, when he left, I was like, did that movie do well?

[1703] Because I personally didn't see it.

[1704] And I'm so egocentric.

[1705] If I didn't see it, I think no one did.

[1706] So I'm really glad to hear that that made money.

[1707] But it's important to remember, again, because I'm fucking obsessed with money.

[1708] Those things cost five cents to make.

[1709] So they're just pure profit for everyone.

[1710] I'm so happy for everyone.

[1711] It's the best case scenario.

[1712] Yeah, like when people win the lottery.

[1713] Yeah.

[1714] Six people are known to have died at Action Park, the theme park.

[1715] Oh, Jesus Christ.

[1716] Six people.

[1717] It's actually, it was when I started delving in, there's a lot of stuff on that.

[1718] Like, there's like a whole BuzzFeed article.

[1719] There's a lot.

[1720] It's more common than I thought.

[1721] And I know people are going to be upset that we're laughing about it, but I just want everyone to be to recognize what we're laughing about.

[1722] We are certainly not laughing at the fact that people died or were injured.

[1723] We're laughing at how irresponsible is to keep a place.

[1724] Yes, the people that they would keep a place open.

[1725] I mean, because you have to imagine if six flags in our area here had one death, big, big issue.

[1726] They would continue on.

[1727] Two deaths, wow, they're getting shut down for a while.

[1728] They're going to retool some stuff.

[1729] I got to imagine three deaths in this current era, that's lights out.

[1730] Yeah, you're getting cut.

[1731] You can't kill six people and stay in business.

[1732] I saw a picture of a water slide that went upside down.

[1733] Oh, great idea.

[1734] The water slide.

[1735] Oh, boy.

[1736] Okay, I tried to find out how old the catheter cowboy really is.

[1737] Problem is John Oliver's Catherer Cowboy has really taken over the searchers.

[1738] Yeah, he has.

[1739] And he's stolen the thunder of the original Catherer Cowboy.

[1740] Couldn't find barely any information on him.

[1741] But the John Oliver Cather Cowboy is 72.

[1742] Yeah, and just by my observation, I'd say the original Catherer Cowboys even older than that gentleman.

[1743] Maybe, yeah.

[1744] We won't.

[1745] We'll never know.

[1746] We won't.

[1747] But it still doesn't make sense that he's only been Cowboying for 20 years.

[1748] No one starts Cowboying at 55.

[1749] I mean, I also love that it's called Cowboying.

[1750] Maybe it's also a commercial for finding your passions late in life.

[1751] Oh, I guess, yeah, it's kind of life -affirming, although that passion may lead you to CAF, which is a mixed message.

[1752] Your passions may have some downsides, but it's worth it.

[1753] You see, I've had a lot of surgeries.

[1754] CTE is brought up, and people can just reference the Joel McHale fact check if they want to learn about CTE because I talk about that there.

[1755] I have a theory.

[1756] This isn't a fact, but this is a theory of mine based on no science.

[1757] So when he was little, he said this.

[1758] When he was little, he used to go to the hospital a lot because he had asthma, bad asthma.

[1759] Oh, right.

[1760] And then they used to shoot him up with adrenaline.

[1761] Yeah.

[1762] So that is very interesting to me. During some formative years, he spent a lot of time in the hospital and a lot of time getting jolted with adrenaline.

[1763] And that that adrenaline was a fix.

[1764] A fix.

[1765] Yes.

[1766] So, you know, considering his choices later in life, I would.

[1767] wonder if that subconsciously sort of drove him to maybe not do it but but why he keeps coming back to that because it does give obviously an incredible boost of adrenaline to perform these stunts correctly even maybe incorrectly it still does yeah I wish I would have done a better job at getting PJ to help us understand more about his childhood because I think there's probably a lot of stuff in there the OCD mixed with the going with asthma I think there's yeah I think there's you know if there was ever part two of this with him, I'm more curious about, I don't think you accidentally end up doing the thing he does.

[1768] Yeah, agreed.

[1769] Do you think my theory holds water?

[1770] Yeah, I like it.

[1771] Okay.

[1772] Yeah.

[1773] One other thing I just want to bring up from last week, last week's episode, Mark Maron.

[1774] Oh, okay.

[1775] I posted a picture.

[1776] Oh.

[1777] And, um, yeah, you're really worried about this.

[1778] I got a lot of blowback on, because my shoes were on the couch.

[1779] My shoes are currently.

[1780] My shoes are on the couch as we speak right at me too yeah yeah and people did not like that my shoes were on the couch but I guess I do it all the time mm -hmm so that's it that's it I'm not gonna apologize for it because the owners of the couch don't care let me just say I own this fucking couch and I've had this couch for 12 years and I don't give a shit if you put your feet on it yeah and Monica would not come into your home if you invite her uh because you like her on an armchair expert, and you invite her over for some supper, which you should do.

[1781] She's a great guest.

[1782] She's not going to put her feet on your couch.

[1783] Don't worry about that.

[1784] This is just, think of this as a sign of our closeness.

[1785] Yeah, I'm so comfortable.

[1786] Yeah.

[1787] And by the way, listen, so yeah, I can tell you the line of thought.

[1788] They go, shoes are dirty.

[1789] They're on the ground.

[1790] They're picking up germs.

[1791] You're putting them on the couch.

[1792] But then I'll go, okay, and then people sit on it with their jeans.

[1793] People aren't going to pull their jeans off and fucking lick the ass of their jeans.

[1794] So what are you afraid of?

[1795] Yeah.

[1796] And no one sleeps on this couch.

[1797] This is in a attic, guys.

[1798] No one's licking the cushions of the couch.

[1799] So everything's fine.

[1800] Everything's fine.

[1801] Don't red flag us with the health department.

[1802] We don't even have water or power right now.

[1803] And now if you guys start...

[1804] Don't take away our health certification.

[1805] Also, we do prepare food in here sometimes.

[1806] Yeah.

[1807] Yeah, we can't get shut down.

[1808] Feet away from our toilet.

[1809] Yeah, yeah.

[1810] Kristen posted a picture on her Instagram.

[1811] Mm -hmm.

[1812] The very next day of her on a podcast, feet also on another person's couch.

[1813] Uh -huh.

[1814] And I'm just going to call the world out.

[1815] I didn't see one comment about her shoes on that couch.

[1816] Yeah.

[1817] Well, she's more beloved than you nationally.

[1818] Yeah.

[1819] That's upsetting.

[1820] It's upsetting.

[1821] But how do you think I feel?

[1822] I'm married to her.

[1823] Well, you're much more beloved than me. Well, you know this story that she would fart an elevator and people would get in.

[1824] and 100 % they were convinced that I had farted.

[1825] They look at her and then they look at me and they go, well, that guy farted, right?

[1826] And she would do this kind of often and I said to her, listen, if you do this again, I am going to look at the people and say, my wife farted.

[1827] That was not me. And I did that one time in a New York elevator.

[1828] She farted, people got in.

[1829] When we got out, I go, just want to, for the record, that was her that farted.

[1830] And then they looked at me and let me tell you how it backfired.

[1831] Not only did they still think I had farted, they go, God, this guy farted.

[1832] And he just blamed his wife.

[1833] He's a fucking monster.

[1834] Yeah.

[1835] There's no winning.

[1836] That's just the price we pay to be surrounded by such an angel of goodness and light.

[1837] And that's just how it's going to be.

[1838] And that's okay for both of us.

[1839] Yeah.

[1840] That's all.

[1841] Anything else?

[1842] Nope.

[1843] Thanks for cheering me up.

[1844] And you guys, thanks so much for listening to this show.

[1845] It makes me so, so happy when I see your comments on Instagram and on Twitter.

[1846] But I just love hearing from you guys.

[1847] And I'm so grateful for all of you.

[1848] And I love you.

[1849] Monica and I love you, Rob.

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