JRE MMA Show #128 with Kamaru Usman

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[4] Is that what you just did?

[5] I can't believe they woke you up at 5 .30 in the fucking morning.

[6] Oh, yeah.

[7] That's ridiculous.

[8] They don't care.

[9] But that's not even not caring.

[10] That's like negligent.

[11] It's like if you have an athlete and the athlete has to rest and recover.

[12] and you're waking them up at 5 .30 in the morning, you break their sleep cycle.

[13] You're affecting their training.

[14] You could cause an injury.

[15] A lot of shit could be wrong.

[16] But I think for them, it's, oh, well, we're, we're, I don't know because I'm not them.

[17] But, you know, I think some people, fighters feel like, oh, it's their, oh, we're going to catch them.

[18] Yeah.

[19] It's 5 .30 in the morning, we're going to catch them before they do anything, which is.

[20] Well, Ali was saying that it's EPO, that it's like short -lasting.

[21] So if people take it and they take it at night.

[22] It'll be out of their system by the time you saw a show up.

[23] If they show up at 9 a .m., then, you know.

[24] I wouldn't fucking know.

[25] Maybe he would.

[26] Like, Ali, how do you know that information?

[27] Does he know?

[28] Well, you know, if you're a manager, you're dealing with at least one cheater.

[29] Yeah, I'm sure.

[30] If you have 50 clients, there's a guy in there that's doing something fucking.

[31] Yeah, yeah.

[32] What percentage of fighters do you think are doing something?

[33] Do I think nowadays, I mean, it's tough.

[34] It's tough.

[35] Because I never really, I never focused on that.

[36] I never worried about it.

[37] But I did know that, you know, yeah, some fighters, you could just, you could see back in the day like, hey, this is not normal.

[38] Last year I saw you, you didn't look like that.

[39] And, yeah.

[40] So I think, yeah, back in the day, pre -usata.

[41] Oh, yeah.

[42] You could say, I would say a good, maybe 20s.

[43] 25 to 30 percent.

[44] I think before you saw it, it was higher than that.

[45] I think there was a time where it was a, I don't know what the percentage was, but I think it was a lot of fighters.

[46] And then it got real squirrelly with the testosterone replacement shit.

[47] Yeah, I do remember that time.

[48] That was the dumbest time ever.

[49] The fact that they didn't think that through and they just let people game the system like that.

[50] It's funny to me because I get it all the time now.

[51] Of course.

[52] like people people accuse me all the time and um and i haven't really told the story but so i one day i i saw like people kept tagging me in this video and there was this some fucking guy some dumbass that that's on youtube that that swears he can spot people that do you know peds oh it's probably more plates more dates maybe yeah i don't yeah i don't know he's been on the podcast before so he's like yeah i i know i know that that guy's doing it because I can see the marks on him and stuff like that and so he starts they they start pointing out because I have like like five scars on my stomach like you know like burn like this coloration on my stomach and it and he starts they start pointing at that and he starts talking about it and making up this whole theory and it kind of it kind of hurt my feelings a little bit because it should make you happy.

[53] I was, okay, so here's the story.

[54] I was a little self -conscious about it because, so this is what happened.

[55] I was in college.

[56] This was my, I want to say junior year, sophomore junior year, going into my junior season.

[57] And actually, I think it was after my junior season.

[58] So I started getting these, I got it like a mole on like my stomach.

[59] And I got one, like, on my hand, and I'm one of those.

[60] I'm kind of like a clean freak.

[61] Like, I shower, you know, after practice right away.

[62] So I start scratching it.

[63] And then it starts bleeding.

[64] So I'm like, fuck, that's not a regular.

[65] I thought it was like a pimple.

[66] That's not a regular, like, a Zit or something like that.

[67] So then I, you know, over time, it was like, maybe it was like five little.

[68] It was like tiny.

[69] You could barely see them.

[70] So I'm like, you know what?

[71] I'm going to ask the doc.

[72] We have a team doctor.

[73] I'm going to ask.

[74] about it.

[75] So I went in for a physical and then I went before the season, I asked them, hey, you know, I have this right here.

[76] I don't know what they are.

[77] So he looks at them, he goes, oh, these are non -cancerous moles.

[78] They're just little bitty moles.

[79] You know, it's very, very common.

[80] I'm like, shit, not for me. I don't know.

[81] That's common for me. He's like, yeah, they're very common.

[82] I'm like, yeah, well, how can I get rid of them?

[83] I try to scratch them and they bleed in.

[84] He's like, yeah, you don't want to do that.

[85] What we could do is I can burn them off.

[86] And I'm like, okay, fuck it.

[87] Let's do it.

[88] Because, hey, spring break was going to come up.

[89] Like, I started, I started, I started, I'm lifting now.

[90] I got a body now, you know, I'm a, you know, I'm a junior and I've looked jacked.

[91] So I'm like, spring break is coming.

[92] I want to look jack.

[93] I want to look good.

[94] You know, so I don't get walking around with those.

[95] Fuck no. So he's like, I can burn him all.

[96] So he burns him off with, I think, nitrogen or something like that.

[97] So he burns them, and then he goes, hey, those are going to fall off in a couple of days, you know, just give him time.

[98] So I'm like, okay, but I was so like, I was still training heavily during the summer because I was just like an addict of wrestling.

[99] I wanted to, for me, I wanted to catch up to everybody and I wanted to exceed everybody.

[100] So this was my time, the summer, that was my time for me to catch up.

[101] So my dumbass I go back the next day I go to school and back to the school and I go in and I go drill I go wrestle I couldn't stop I was just training all summer So I wrestled and I didn't think anything of it Like okay they just burned those But nothing has happened yet And so I wrestled And then later that evening I'm sitting in my I go I get down and I get in the shower And I'm showered all of a sudden just burning down there and I looked down and I had like scraped them off like so as soon as he burned him he said don't do anything they're going to fall off on their own but my dumbass wrestled and it robbed up against it and now they all fell off so then they scarred it because now I was like out for like seven days like putting neosporin on it just so they can heal and then they scarred over so I have those from just that moment so then this fucking guy's like oh he's He's doing PEDs.

[102] Look, look, he's got the marks on his stomach.

[103] And it hurt my feelings.

[104] I'm like, I'm like one of those guys who I'm like, I don't even think about PEDs because my work, even if I don't care, I probably have dealt with someone that was cheating or competed against someone that was cheating.

[105] But my work will far exceed all of that.

[106] And so when I see idiots online or say, oh, yeah, I know for a fact he's doing PD, I'm like, have you ever been a fucking Africa?

[107] Have you been in Africa?

[108] There's a lot of Francis and Gano's walk.

[109] around there's a lot of guys like me just walking around and because of the work and because of the way that I find they're like oh no he's definitely got to be doing something because they can't explain why you are the way you are why your performance exceeds what their their mind is mentally capable of there's a photo of you we're on top of the cage after one of the victories oh yeah And you're like this, like, fuh, and it looks preposterous.

[110] Like, if I didn't know any better, I'd be like, that motherfucker's on some shit.

[111] Genetics are real, man. Genetics are real.

[112] Everybody did not get the same deck of cards.

[113] Oh, yeah.

[114] Yeah, that one.

[115] Look at that one.

[116] Come on, son.

[117] If I saw that shit, if someone said, do you think this guy's on the juice, I'm like, highly likely.

[118] Yeah, adrenaline.

[119] Everything.

[120] And I think this, yeah, this is right after.

[121] the Maswadal fight.

[122] Oh man. Was that your sweetest victory?

[123] The second Masvadole fight?

[124] It's tough.

[125] Tough to call.

[126] That one was so shocking.

[127] I think the first, the first Coventive fight.

[128] Yeah?

[129] Probably the sweetest.

[130] Just to stop him?

[131] Yeah, and I was deal like, I deal, you deal with so much, we deal with so much things going into fights before fights.

[132] And I don't think people care.

[133] People don't care about, but I don't think people understand.

[134] So to make it to that fight, just to get in there, to step in there on Fight Day, nowadays I'm so grateful because you deal with so much from family, from relationships, to children, to injuries, to finances, all of that, and coaching.

[135] To where by the time you actually step in there, it's like, peaceful.

[136] This is like, I'm grateful to be in here that I actually made it in here.

[137] So I think that Coventify was probably, the first one was probably the sweetest.

[138] It was just too much.

[139] There was so much shit talking.

[140] He puts people in a crazy state of mind.

[141] Yeah.

[142] Because he goes dark, man. He goes after your family.

[143] He goes after your friends.

[144] He goes after past relationships.

[145] He just tries to find anything that he can light on fire.

[146] Yeah, there's an art to that.

[147] I mean, some guys, some guys it works for.

[148] but it's for me what I would love to do is ask and hopefully in the future I can do that and just sit down with these guys and ask them like what how did you feel after that like what like are you human you come you got to be human too you got to feel something after you go that far and let's say you don't win you do lose how do you feel sitting at home can't be good that no you can't like I know how bad you feel losing I've lost now twice so I know how bad that feels at home how do you feel when you got your ass kicked and you did all of this shit talking all of this and it didn't work all negative too yeah yeah there's a dark energy and a dark aura that that just surrounds that when you when you yeah yeah and then when you do lose people get so happy oh yeah when you talk so much shit and you're so mean and nasty and then you lose people get so happy Connor Connor the first Yeah.

[149] Habib, yeah.

[150] Oh, my God.

[151] Oh, man. Like, Habib, I think.

[152] Habib went from, like, maybe two to three million followers to, like, 12 overnight.

[153] When he was on top of him, pounded on him, go, let's talk now.

[154] Yeah.

[155] Let's talk now.

[156] Let's talk.

[157] And he's just punched him in the face.

[158] He's got, Habib's got some savage moments in the case.

[159] Oh, man. I think one of my favorite, I think, I don't know if it was, it might have been the Edson Barbosa fight or some of the fight.

[160] where he was he was on top of the guy he was holding him with one hand holding his face and he was beating his face with the other hand i was like this is the most savage shit i've ever seen michael johnson he did that too michael johnson that was that was better sweet for me that one was that one was hard to watch because mike was like my training partner at that time we were really like training together and mike was on the upswing because mike had just killed poorier yeah and he was Mike was really having a great, great run.

[161] I got very offended when they were talking about Porier and, like, I think it was Stephen A. Smith was talking about one, like, accidental loss.

[162] I forget how he put it to Michael Johnson.

[163] One inexplicable loss to Michael Johnson.

[164] Like, what the fuck are you talking about?

[165] Like, Michael Johnson's a savage.

[166] Michael, I think, is one of the most dangerous lightweights.

[167] He's dangerous as fuck, man. And when he's on, when he knocked out Porreier, he dinged Khabib too.

[168] He had Khabib and a little rocky for a second there.

[169] And maybe the only guy to ever do it.

[170] The weird thing about Michael Johnson is he doesn't look the part.

[171] He looks long limbs, they look skinny, but he's got speed and power.

[172] Till this, well, until Leon, Michael is the only God has ever dropped me, sat me down.

[173] And, well, I felt worse after that than I do now after the.

[174] Leon's situation.

[175] Because he beat my ass.

[176] Mike beat my ass.

[177] That sparse.

[178] It was early on.

[179] I think it was like, I was like maybe in the second year of training in MMA.

[180] And Michael was getting ready for a fight.

[181] He's in the UFC at this point.

[182] And he was like maybe two, three weeks out, three weeks out.

[183] And Mike's on.

[184] Because he, Mike, and that's another thing I love about Mike is Mike likes to train.

[185] It might not be all the things that he should be trained.

[186] but Mike loves to train.

[187] He loves to spar.

[188] And so I just, I think it was in between my first and second fight.

[189] I just came off of my first win.

[190] So I had a couple weeks off.

[191] So I'm coming in and I'm sparring Michael Johnson and he's three weeks out from his fight.

[192] Mike's on at this point.

[193] And we're sparring and sparring and, you know, I'm trying to fake it.

[194] I'm trying to be bigger guys.

[195] So I'm trying to like, you know, I didn't find a groove.

[196] I didn't have a groove at this point.

[197] I was just a guy who could wrestle and throw punches.

[198] And Mike is, it's, you know, I'm trying to fake.

[199] he's moving his feet he's touching me he's touching me starts slow he starts slow then he starts picking up the pace and then i was like i'm i'm gasping for air and we're fucking two minutes in and he's still just peppering me and then now he starts to land shots and they're getting harder and harder and harder now we're three minutes in and i i'm waiting for the bell to go off but no we're still stuck in here and and at that point i would spar with headgear so i'm like no fuck this headgear's getting in my way that's what's causing it but no Mike was just beating my ass so I take the headgear off and we're still going and he just puts a combination on me bing bing bing sits me down being and I fall like on my hand and I roll over and this how fucked up it is Rashad had the whole thing recorded and had it on his phone forever and so I fell and I'm we're home that night and Rashad It's replaying it and he's showing me how I felt.

[200] And I'm like, no, I just, you know, I slith and I fell out.

[201] And he's like, no, no, you was down because you fell on your hand and you kind of rolled over like, so it wasn't like I was out, but it was like he sat me down good.

[202] And he beat my ass.

[203] To this day, well, until Leon Edwards, that was the only time I've ever been sat down.

[204] And that bothered you more?

[205] Yeah, it bothered me more because I didn't have an answer for it.

[206] these are the the moments that that's really haunted me that that really mess with me was when there was nothing that can do about it um there's there's that the first one was rashad rashad beat me up one time to where i had to rethink what i was doing so i think i was about a year in my career and this was around similar times and rashad was like really traveling a lot which i was a man I was traveling, doing shows, commentating, maybe do a movie here and there, and I was living with Rashad.

[207] So at this time, he had, like, he was a stretch.

[208] He was gone for, like, three weeks.

[209] And I'm training every day, twice a day.

[210] I'm like, this dude's not fucking, he hasn't really been training, hasn't been going to the gym.

[211] I know if he comes to wrestling, I cannot wrestle him.

[212] But I'm like, I'm striking now.

[213] I'm starting to hit people.

[214] Like, no, he comes in, I'm going to put it on him, you know?

[215] So I built this whole experience.

[216] it's in my head.

[217] I'm like, I'm going to put it on Rashad.

[218] Let him know little bro is, hey, little bro is learning some shit.

[219] And he hadn't trained three, three weeks, four weeks.

[220] And so he comes in town, he comes back, and we go to the gym.

[221] And usually, and he would hate that I'm saying this, but I had the hardest time waking Rashad up in the morning.

[222] He would not leave his room.

[223] His room was on the other side of house.

[224] He would not leave his room.

[225] We had practice at 10 .30.

[226] We have a 30 minute drive, he would not come out of his room until after 10 a .m. And so I would always, I go bang on his door.

[227] Hey, you up?

[228] You know, try to get him out before 10.

[229] And he just would not do it.

[230] And so I would drive us to the gym.

[231] You know, I'm a little bro.

[232] I take care of the house when he's not there.

[233] And, you know, so I drive us to the gym.

[234] And the whole time in my head, I had to experience.

[235] I'm like, yeah, I'm going to fuck him up today.

[236] He's been gone for three.

[237] three weeks I'm about to show him all the new ninja shit that I've learned I'm gonna put it on him and I know he hasn't been training so we get to the gym and he just happens to be sparring day so I'm smiling I'm like yeah this gonna be the day I'm gonna show him little bro learn some shit and I'm on the other side of the room and I first couple of rounds I you know I kind of go with guys that would go at my pace you know and so I think it was like maybe the third round And Rashad, he comes in, he takes his sweet -ass time.

[238] This is what he was at 205.

[239] He takes his time, and he gets ready and all this.

[240] And then he's going, and I'm the whole time I'm eyeballing him.

[241] On the other side of the gym, I'm eyeballing him.

[242] I'm like, yeah, I'm going to go with him today.

[243] So now it's his third round.

[244] I'm like, yeah, Rashad, let's go.

[245] Let's go.

[246] He's like, all right, and this was MMA gloves.

[247] And this was back there in the Black Zillions, we didn't really start using the 7 -ounce poofy gloves.

[248] We would use the UFC MMA gloves.

[249] And so Rasha had his gloves on.

[250] And we start moving and we're going, we're going.

[251] And I'm just like, like, all right, let me try some shit.

[252] I don't know now.

[253] So I throw, I throw like a one -two or something like that.

[254] And I just kind of hit his hands.

[255] And, you know, he's moving with me, moving with me. And I'm like, let me ramp it up on him.

[256] I know he's not in shape.

[257] Let me ramp up on him.

[258] So I'm picking up the pace.

[259] I'm picking up the pace.

[260] And no, I couldn't hit him.

[261] And then he starts hitting me. But he was hitting me a little.

[262] bit like with a little bit more conviction than I anticipated than I thought I was like why is he and he's hit me and I can stop it and he's now he starts fucking me up and he's beating on me and I'm like no okay let me go to my wrestling I know I could always get him there and I shoot for takedowns he stuffed them all like two or three of him he stuffs him then he hits me again he has me against the wall and he's just beating on my body then he shoots for a takedown he takes me down and I'm just like fuck there was nothing could do.

[263] I just, I didn't have the knowledge to really defend myself.

[264] And he mounts me and that was one of the worst things at that point.

[265] 205 Rashad on top of you is, is bad because, you know, you could see it in his fights when he was at 205.

[266] Like, when he mounts guys, he'll crucify guys.

[267] That's like his thing.

[268] And he crucified me. He beat my ass so bad.

[269] He usually I drive us to practice and I drive us home.

[270] He knew he beat my ass that bad.

[271] He drove.

[272] He's like, yeah, let me drive.

[273] Let me drive home.

[274] So he drove.

[275] I was sitting in the passenger seat and I'm just looking at the window.

[276] I couldn't make eye contact with him.

[277] I'm looking out the window the whole time like, holy shit.

[278] And then we get home and usually when we're home, like I'll like make lunch or like get lunch.

[279] This day we didn't get lunch.

[280] Or I usually sit on the couch and like maybe watch old fights or watch something like that in the living room.

[281] But no, I was in my room the whole time.

[282] I was like, no, I'm not coming out.

[283] and he would just randomly come in open the door hey you're all right you're good I'm like yeah I'm good man I'm good I'm good he's like all right you want something to eat like no I'm okay I'm okay I felt like he purposely knew he beat this shit out of me and that how he just had to check on me all through the day to make sure that I was okay but it messed with me because I couldn't do anything about it I couldn't defend myself I didn't have the knowledge to yeah and that was what was so hard about my first professional loss as well is when I got submitted, I didn't have the knowledge because I wasn't doing jiu -jitsu like that.

[284] I didn't know what and how to defend myself at that point.

[285] So those was hard.

[286] This one, not so much, because I knew exactly, you know, where I went wrong.

[287] And it wasn't like I, like, Rashad beat my ass.

[288] There was nothing I could do.

[289] This one, that wasn't the case.

[290] So, you know, this is a little easier to deal with.

[291] you were saying that it's almost a little bit of a relief yeah yeah it was it's weird it's weird to really explain but it's you get to a certain point to where people start putting expectations on you they start like oh yeah you're gonna do this you're gonna do that yeah you're you're this you're that to where i didn't get into it for all of that i was never i was never attached to the title Now, as weird as that sound, I didn't, I was never attached to it.

[292] It wasn't like, oh, I'm champion, I got to hold on to this.

[293] I got to hold on to this.

[294] I got to hold on to this.

[295] No, and I've said it before and I continue to say it.

[296] In my head, each and every time I was fighting for that title or defending that belt, I was fighting for the title.

[297] I was a contender in my head.

[298] I felt like that.

[299] I have to go contend for this belt each and every time.

[300] So, because I feel like when you're defending, you're tight.

[301] Now you're all defense.

[302] You're not thinking offense.

[303] So you just want anything to hold on to this, anything to hold on to this.

[304] I was never really like that.

[305] So when everyone got felt like kind of started putting expectations, like, yo, oh, you're about to break this record.

[306] I didn't know, I didn't even know what Anderson Silver's record was until, like, before the last fight, where everyone started saying, oh, yeah, you're about to break the Anderson Silver's record, or you're about to tie this, and, yo, you already broke George St. Pierre's record.

[307] I don't care.

[308] I don't give a shit.

[309] The last time I cared about the number was when I was five and one, and I was about to get into the UFC.

[310] I was like, yeah, I'm five and one.

[311] Damn, Rashad went on like a 15 -fight win streak one time.

[312] Damn, I wish I could do something that great.

[313] And, but I just, Rashad even told me at that point, he's like, just take a fight at a time.

[314] As long as you worry about that next fight and that next fight and the next fight, don't add up.

[315] And so, yeah, it was almost like a relief of expectations of everyone's pressure.

[316] Oh, yeah, you're the goat this, year the goat that that's relative that's that's a relative like it's hard to argue that situation because George St. Pierre was the greatest in his error with what he had to deal with the opposition he had to deal with he was the greatest hands down and you know when George St. Pierre kind of moved aside Woodley was was that guy and and then Robbie had a stint there where Robbie was that guy so and Pat Milititch had a stench when he was that guy so was did Matt Hughes.

[317] And so to say, oh, yeah, that guy's the goat.

[318] That's relative because styles make fights, you know, and you can never really tell what would transpire if this guy goes with that guy.

[319] Styles make fights, and it's also guys are building on the work that was done before them.

[320] Because if you look at the fighters from 1993, that's the best example, because it's one of the rare sports where we get to see a stark contrast between the early days of the UFC and the current days.

[321] If you go back and watch basketball in 1993, it's pretty similar to basketball today.

[322] There might be better athletes today.

[323] People are better at everything today.

[324] But it's still basketball.

[325] The UFC is almost unrecognizable.

[326] You watch the way people fought back then versus the way people fight now.

[327] I mean, there's no comparison.

[328] You got to go to, like, UFC 12, you see Vitor's debut, and you go, okay.

[329] Now we're looking at, like, what a real modern mixed martial artist looks like.

[330] And then there's a few guys along the way there were outliers that were much better than everybody else.

[331] And now you have a whole roster filled with people like that.

[332] And when you watch the development of fighters, I mean, every fighter learns from the people that are in their gym, and they learn from the people that they see fighting.

[333] And so everybody of today, you have Tyron Woodley's videos to watch.

[334] You have the fights that George St. Pierre had to watch.

[335] You had all these different fights that you can watch and you can learn from all these.

[336] The Anderson Silva fights, the John Jones fights.

[337] There's so much knowledge that's accumulated in the minds of the athletes now.

[338] And that's built on the people that came before them.

[339] I'm like, yeah, of course, they have to do the work.

[340] Yeah, of course, you know, the thing that's most impressive about a person like yourself is that in spite of all this knowledge out there and in spite of all these athletes, you were still dominating.

[341] there's so the level so high there's so many great guys i think the level of your competition was higher than the level of anybody else's competition because i think that everybody's better now oh absolutely i think when you look at the guys that you faced and you look at gilbert and you look at colby and you look at mosvidal you look at all these guys that you've faced man that's a that's a serious resume of hard -hitting fighters like really really talented really skillful fighters Yeah, I started, when you start watching, and like I mentioned, I started doing research when I started getting more and more into MMA.

[342] And, yeah, so I'm like, damn, Joe had hair.

[343] Joe was, Joe was, it was 20 years ago, man. That's crazy to me. And that's how long you've been in the sport you've been covering.

[344] Well, I started in 97 as a post -fight interviewer.

[345] Yeah, I saw that.

[346] That's wild.

[347] Yeah, and some of the questions you'd asked, too, was wild.

[348] I'm like, damn.

[349] And the guys are fresh off the fights and having interviews.

[350] But even then, you were on it.

[351] You were on the money.

[352] And I was like, damn, Joe's been doing this for a minute.

[353] Bro, when I used to do it back then, I was on a television show, and they would talk to me like I was out doing porn.

[354] They're like, why are you doing that?

[355] That's what it was like.

[356] It was like I was involved with something seedy.

[357] I know.

[358] It felt, I see that.

[359] I can see how they felt that.

[360] I was trying to explain to them.

[361] I'm like, this is the greatest sport in the world.

[362] It's going to be the number one sport in the world.

[363] They're like, get the fuck out of here.

[364] Like, what are you talking about?

[365] I go, it's more exciting than any other sport in the world.

[366] Yeah.

[367] You just have to watch it.

[368] It's, yeah, and watching the evolution because it was almost like, guys came in with one skill, and it was, they were battling to see which skill would dominate.

[369] And then you had the, the, you know, the mixture, the guys that would come in now with two skills.

[370] Like Marco Houahs.

[371] Yeah.

[372] And then you have guys like Rashad who come.

[373] in with like two three skills who could wrestle who could box and can knock you out and can knock you and it's like wow and then you know you got guys like chuck you know but chuck just wanted to stand but he had the wrestling to stop you from taking him down yeah and then you know the sport just kind of starts to shift and change into where guys are guys are just ninja kids not just guys kids are ninjas now yeah some of these guys coming up you know i mean 10 fights in and you're watching me like this guy looks like a world champion they're so good there's so much talent now and also the the eyes on them there's so many more eyes so there's so much more attention so there's so much more it's so much more intensity to to a lot of these up -and -comers oh yeah we we have there's a couple of some young guys that i just watch i'm just like holy shit these guys are going to be a pro there's i have one of my training partners in archie he was a wrestler at a Wyoming.

[374] I think it was like a three -time conference champion from Wyoming and then went to national, national qualifier and just strong, explosive wrestler, but he just wants to knock you out.

[375] He was just standing and bang with you the whole time until he does knock you out.

[376] And I watched these guys try, I'm like, man, these guys are going to be the future.

[377] We have a young kid.

[378] It's a young Nigerian kid named Adamu.

[379] He trains over at Kilcliffe with Henry Hooft.

[380] And I watch, this guy spars with the world champion he's green he's part of the world champion and he's kicking him in the face and he's just doing everything I'm like what the f yeah I need to hurry up and get out of this before all these guys get to me and decides I can't be the the butt of their jokes like you don't want to be that guy well we were talking about staying off social media after the loss yeah they're like you can't you can't read them memes it's it's funny to me The thing is, everyone expected me. I feel like you get to a certain point.

[381] It's a weirdest thing to me. It's like, I don't understand how people, people just want to see the demise of someone else.

[382] Like, it's like people are feigning for that.

[383] They stay and they sit there.

[384] Yeah, but that's because you're so much more successful than them.

[385] Yeah, that's what I don't understand.

[386] The average person.

[387] Yeah.

[388] The idea of being the welterweight champion of the world, you walk into an arena and you raise your arms.

[389] arms and 18 ,000 people go yeah that's that's alien yeah that's you might as well be living on the moon that doesn't even make sense to most people yeah so when they see someone like you and you're killing it and you're going on this unbeaten streak and you're dominating everyone you dominate tyrone woodley to win the title you knock out masvada with one punch holy shit this it's wild so they just want you to fall apart because they can't compare to you yeah and it's you know i i i i i I recognize that, you know, and even after the last time we spoke, and I don't, I'm not on social media like that.

[390] Like, I'll post something here and there.

[391] Some days I'll go a few days and not even look at it.

[392] Some days I'll, you know, post.

[393] And that's, I guess, a good and a bad thing with the, the new algorithm that kind of Instagram has is you don't just see everybody's shit.

[394] Right.

[395] Now it's like, maybe like your friends that constantly you talk to, you see their stuff.

[396] and so I'll get on my daughter's doing something cute or I feel like something cool I want to share I'll get on and I'll post that and then I'll get off but I feel like and it's even making people more upset because they expected me to feel a certain way that I'm not feeling how do you know what they expected because I people make fake pages with my it was hilarious to me this was the funniest shit to me was it was a few maybe a couple hundreds would make a create go out of their way to create a whole page with because when I was knocked out I was like my eyes were open which was the craziest thing to me you know now that I've watched the fight over maybe like 10 times and my eyes were open which is weird and so people would like screen grab that and make a fake page with that as the avatar and have a page dedicated to that like you got knocked out you got this you got for them to take time out of their day i'm like shit i'm special like mostly people that don't have a good life it's it's weird they did have a good life i don't i don't have the time to do that shit yeah i don't have the time to do that shit yeah i don't have time to scroll through instead rather than go out of your way to make a page and and just because but they think that that bothers me but it's funny to me it's it was funny it made you laugh yeah it made me laugh i And I, you know...

[397] Did you see the photo of me interviewing you in the middle of the head kick?

[398] I almost posted that yesterday.

[399] Oh, shit.

[400] I'm going to post that.

[401] I was like, Joe got to get that interview.

[402] That was so rough.

[403] No, it was, um, what an experience, though.

[404] What do you remember after the head kick?

[405] Oh, man, this is, uh, I was dreading talking about this.

[406] But, uh, not in the bad.

[407] way but it was it's funny to me so um the fight is going and there's a zone that I've learned to put myself in and my coach is going to kind of attest to this like because I do it even in training um there's a way that I train that I practice to where I try to get myself into the zone which is as similar to a fight experience as I can be and to where I I try not to be bothered by anything that's going on.

[408] And my body has adjusted and gotten used to this.

[409] So in the first round, the fight's going on, and boom, that situation happens.

[410] He hooked my legs, and this is my bad knee.

[411] Well, my not so good knee, but both of them aren't the greatest.

[412] So I'm like, okay, let me hip him through.

[413] So I tried to hip him through, but he just had great position.

[414] you know, kudos to him, and I get taken down.

[415] That I probably was more upset about, giving up that takedown.

[416] I was like, fuck!

[417] I gave up a takedown.

[418] So we get done, and he, you know, he tries, you know, he takes it back, and I'm just chilling.

[419] And waiting for the bell, and the bell goes off, and I get up.

[420] And I didn't realize this until I watched the fight back over.

[421] I get up, and I was kind of smiled.

[422] You know, I get up, and I jogged back to my corner.

[423] But I was, I look at it, and I'm like, okay.

[424] I know that's where I was at at that time.

[425] I was in that zone to where I'm unbothered by whatever is happening.

[426] I'm going to make this be whatever I want it to be.

[427] And so the next round, I just take off.

[428] And I just start kind of wailing on him.

[429] And so by the fifth round, I kind of have him in a spot to where I'm just like, I never think, okay, yeah, I've got the fight one.

[430] Let me just coast.

[431] Let me hold on to him and win.

[432] I never think that.

[433] I want to if I can get the finish I'm going to try to get that finished and I want to do something spectacular I'm like okay we're going to take a risk here we're going to do something great and I remember and this is a great thing about Trevor Whitman in the training camp we work on certain techniques to kind of put him where you want them and get him out of there like even in the mass with all fight like everyone oh the knockout just happened no I set him up for the knockout people didn't realize I did the same sequence in the first round that I did to finish him and so I start that with Leon you know because I've kind of got Leon in a place now to where I you know I could kind of really kind of dictate whatever I wanted to do and so we get him I get him up and I think her breaks us from the from the cage so we're we're moving and I'm trying to set him up and I'm trying to get his feet moving I wasn't doing the greatest of job which is this is all on me and and I'm trying to get his feet moving you see me change levels and what I wanted to do is set him up and I was going to throw the punches that he couldn't see and I wanted to sit him down and get him out of there I wanted to throw him with conviction and really like I did with Mastodon and get him out of there and so I'm like okay what I'm going to do is I'm going to shake left shake right and then I'm going to let him go but I got to get him moving first and I didn't do a great job of that and so I'm moving moving I'm like okay I got him set up all right which I really didn't I shake left I shake right and I'm sitting in the ambulance and they're asking me do you know where you're at?

[434] That's what you remember?

[435] You remember waking up in the ambulance?

[436] Yeah, I was awake, but I remember it coming to it in the ambulance.

[437] So you had been awake because you were walking around but you were still gone.

[438] Yeah, I was good.

[439] I was good.

[440] I was taught.

[441] I watched the fight over.

[442] I'm good.

[443] I was talking.

[444] I talked to Trevor.

[445] You know, I talked to, you know, everyone.

[446] Apparently, because you know, you go back and then you go into medical tent and they take care of you and all of that.

[447] You don't remember any of that.

[448] And they talked to me. I talked to my family.

[449] I hugged everyone because he was on video and everything.

[450] I remember sitting.

[451] It was like Leon gave me like a 20 -minute nap.

[452] Oh, which was, it was, I think about, and I was laughing hysterically in the hospital.

[453] Because I had to go in just to get scanned and all of that, which everything was fine.

[454] So it's like immediately I come to, I'm in the ambulance, they're asking me, do you know where you're?

[455] I'm like, yeah, Salt Lake City.

[456] UFC 278 like what's your date of birth I'm like I answer five you know and they were like wow perfect I answered everything perfectly like oh we still need to take you to to the um to hospital just to get you scanned and everything like that I was like all right fine so we go to the hospital to get scanned and everything but I was already good I was okay I wasn't I was maybe disappointed that I lost but I wasn't like bummed like the first loss that I had in my career that one that fucked with me. Is that because you didn't know whether or not you would ever be able to make it?

[457] Yeah.

[458] It was the uncertainty of the future.

[459] Right.

[460] And also because there was nothing I can do with that.

[461] I couldn't defend myself because I didn't have the knowledge of it.

[462] Right.

[463] That was what hurt me the most is I'm like, because when I was in that position, I could have fought it because I was standing up with the guy, a backpack for almost a minute and I had no idea what to do.

[464] And I wanted to go back to the ground and try to fight it but I'm in my head I said shit I don't know what I'm doing down there if I go down there anyways so no I'm just gonna stay up here until I eventually tap and but this one was like okay I know my mistakes that's one thing I've said I'm very very honest with myself I am honest with myself to where I'm like shit okay he got me he got me you know I didn't do a good job of what I wanted to do and he got me and I don't like the notion of everyone saying oh he got lucky, yeah he got lucky, yeah, of course but luck to me is not what everyone is saying luck is when preparation meets opportunity that's luck to me. You can't tell me that Leon didn't train that kick.

[465] Of course he did.

[466] I'm not even the South Pole and I train that kick.

[467] I know he trained that kick and there's a video out I don't know if that was before the fight or after her whatever that was, but they're like, look, his video of him actually training it.

[468] Yeah, of course you train that.

[469] That's what a well -rounded, the number one contender, mixed martial arts in the world should do, and they should know how to do.

[470] It's, yeah, of course he trained that.

[471] So, yeah, he did get lucky.

[472] He prepared to be able to land a kick like that.

[473] I presented him with the opportunity, and he landed the kick, and here we are.

[474] So, you know, people are kind of try to take away from his way, and all he, No, he landed a good kick, you know, and he put me out, and now...

[475] So other than Michael Johnson, that's the first time you've ever been dropped?

[476] Yeah.

[477] Yeah.

[478] That's pretty incredible.

[479] What about the Gilbert fight?

[480] Well, I mean, see, the thing with the Gilbert fight, I wasn't really, you know, he didn't rock me to where I sat down.

[481] I was, you know, buzzed.

[482] Yeah, it was just like, boom, that was a heavy shot.

[483] Shit.

[484] And I even put my hand down on this, and I could see, I knew what was going on.

[485] He was coming at me, and I put my hand down.

[486] down the brace and try to you know control the situation you know yeah it was a heavy shot gilbert hits hard you know but this was yeah this one was like hey good night yeah and he gave me a good 20 minute nap when you watch the fight yeah where do you think you made an error i didn't i didn't get him to do what i was everything was perfect that's the thing i love my my coaches are amazing you know Trevor Whitman Ben Charrington, George Santiago, and these guys, they do a great job.

[487] And my strength and conditioning coaches, Corey Peacock and Aaron, they do a great job of preparing me. They do a great job with what they have to work with, getting that prepared for battle.

[488] And for me, it was executing what I wanted to do.

[489] In that moment, there was a setup that I was trying to set Leon up, and I didn't execute it.

[490] proper way.

[491] I didn't move his feet the way that I wanted to move his feet.

[492] I didn't put him in the position where I wanted to put him in order to be successful with what I wanted to do.

[493] And so that was all on me. No, it was a great, it was a great one.

[494] And the instructions, and I tried that based on the instructions that I got from Trevor.

[495] And it was amazing instructions because Trevor did tell me that, hey, when you're throwing your right hand, you're looping it and he can see it because it's South Pole and he's just leaning back.

[496] And so I was like, oh shit, you're right.

[497] So I need to throw it a different way and I was setting them up for that and I didn't execute the way that I wanted to and hey he caught me slip you said something about you get yourself into a mind state a zone where nothing bothers you yeah is that because like you do see moments in fights where things don't go fighters away and you start to see some frustration you start to see them like lose some of their focus like they kind of get taken out of their game because things aren't going their way and you see things bothering them so is that something like so if you recognize that you can put yourself in this very specific state of mind where no matter what happens you are exactly the same way yeah that and it took years for me to get to that point because yeah I'm human yeah you know I get you know stuff aren't going is not going your way you start to you know you know the anxiety starts to build and then you start to, you know, start doing things uncharacteristic.

[498] For me, I've trained over and over and over to try to be as close to that zone as possible.

[499] And so...

[500] Where you just execute.

[501] Yeah, where I don't care what happened.

[502] Like, I kicked his, I think I kicked his elbow and I kick the shin a couple of times.

[503] And if you ever kicked the shin and kicked...

[504] It's not fun.

[505] It's not...

[506] I'm sitting here with...

[507] I have a huge bump on my shin.

[508] still from any still swelling up you know and I didn't care I didn't even didn't even phase me you know because I was in that zone and I didn't care what I got taken out I don't give a shit if I get beat for four rounds of 50 minutes guess what I'm still gonna execute that 10 seconds left I'm gonna execute what I set out to do this this mindset is this something that have you managed this is this have you written things out is Is it something that you practice?

[509] Do you meditate?

[510] Like, how do you get yourself into that state?

[511] I mean, just years of experience.

[512] So it's just an error?

[513] Years of experience, trial and error.

[514] And all of the above.

[515] Like, you know, I started meditating.

[516] I've grown a lot in the last three years.

[517] A lot.

[518] A lot has happened to me in the last three years.

[519] Whole time.

[520] Life, you know, experiences, you know, relationships.

[521] Your father's out of jail now?

[522] Yeah, my father being bad.

[523] How great is that?

[524] That, it's amazing for him to be able to witness.

[525] now everything that's going on in my life and see it firsthand you know that that that that feels great to me that's one of the joys of where I am now which I think has kind of ultimately led me to the point where I am because it's I see things I'm just more I'm more grateful for for things and that I I see people kind of like look at me like an alien because if I'm not upset at certain things that don't go my way or if I don't react a certain way to certain things people are like oh well why why don't you react in this way why aren't you you should be more upset oh you're not disappointed you're not hurt no and especially about this experience the biggest I would say the the most the hurtful thing for me is I didn't represent well it's not that I didn't represent I did I didn't get the result for the amount of work that I put in the amount of work that my coaches put in with me. Well, you did minus one minute.

[526] Exactly.

[527] But for me is, for me is I'm not one of those, oh, you kind of execute, no, I want to execute all the way through.

[528] Right.

[529] And so, yeah, I'm secure and knowing what I'm capable of.

[530] I know what I'm capable of doing to Leon Edwards and to anybody else in the world.

[531] I know that.

[532] And so it's funny to me, now everyone's kind of writing it off like, okay, they're talking about, yeah, this is a big fight.

[533] Leon and this guy Leon and that guy and I'm sitting like I'm the best of the world are you serious you know so that that I would say maybe might be a little irritation for my part but it's not it's it's it's I didn't feel like I didn't get the victory so I in my head I'm like damn you you didn't execute all the way through but I know what I'm capable of I've always known what I've capable of I knew that before I fought Tyron Woodley do you think that this fight can actually elevate you to another level?

[534] 1 ,000%.

[535] 1 ,000%.

[536] Everything, like everything is a lesson for me. Everything.

[537] Every experience, every failed relationship, failed business, all of that is a lesson for me. And I'm, a lot, like I got a lot of flag.

[538] Like, I saw that.

[539] Okay, the one moment I have to be honest, I did hit my heart a little bit was when I was in a hot, hospital with uh ali we were in the hospital together when i was getting scanned i was already back i was watching the video clip of it he showed me that because i wanted to see how it happened and i was like damn he got me that was a good shot you know i was envious of it like i'm like damn that he sent me up good that shit was beautiful you know it's like a form was just nice you know kudos to leon and but then they the camera pans into the audience and they showed my daughter my daughter cried and and she cried and that it was like it was the weirdest thing it was like an instant trigger response like boom my heart like i wanted to cry just seeing that for her because as a as a parent as a father that's one of the worst things is we couldn't and i learned that when my daughter was an infant is when they're sick or something's bothering them you just feel it it just hits your heart and then when my daughter was crying that one it got to me i was like oh shit i don't i don't i don't i don't i didn't like seeing that yeah and then you know Connor i think Connor had tweeted something and was it was kind of blasting me about it like you know for bringing her to the fight and this and that and and and really and yeah like he tweeted some some some some mean things and certain things like that and it was just like i'm how low at people sometimes but for me it was like fuck no like they don't they don't understand it they don't they're just in a low level of thinking to it they don't understand like absolutely I'm gonna bring her my daughter's not only gonna see when daddy's victorious and daddy just continues to beat everybody and daddy gets to you know put her in the best school or whatever she wants to be no you know because I'm in a weird place like I'm trying to teach teach her.

[540] She has work ethic, but it's kind of like, I don't want to do that today, or I don't want to go to gymnastics, so I don't want to do that this week.

[541] And she's kind of like, does he want to do it?

[542] Oh, I don't like it anymore.

[543] I want to quit.

[544] You know, and I'm trying to teach her the best way that I can without forcing her to do something of what it takes to work hard.

[545] And my daughter has been going to the gym with me ever since she was six months old, so she understands that, and she's okay with it.

[546] That's why she can watch my fights.

[547] but I'm not only going to bring her because Daddy's victorious I am blessed right now with an opportunity to show my daughter that look you could fall down and look how you can get back up and so it was to see people and someone like Connor who actually does have children to say something like that it was like man you're missing the mark big time bro you're missing it big time because I am blue blessed with the like how I am blessed how often do you get an opportunity like that to where you can give them an example of how it is to rebound at the highest level do you think about your daughter in the audience while you're fighting at all no is it when you get to the cage do you think about the fact that she's there or you just completely focused no I try to limit my this is like fight week I got had to get comfortable with bringing her around fight week because and I look I learned I learned this.

[548] The first fight she ever went to was the Tyler Woodley fight.

[549] And my daughter, we have this bond to her.

[550] My daughter wants to be sweet.

[551] She's going to be sweet.

[552] She's going to be on me. She's going to rub my face and grab me and just be very affectionate.

[553] And I just felt this overwhelming sense of, no, because in the coming weeks, I built myself into this ironclad guy, to this mental state that I want to be in to go to war.

[554] And with my daughter, she, flips the switch on all that she turns it off and and um i i i learned that that fight like okay i got to limit my my moments with her because she softens me up right and so when i when i see her now it's like moments i try to really fight that and stay in that place and not spend too much time with her because she's going to get affectionate and i don't want to make her feel weird for being affectionate, but at the same time, I understand what I am feeling in the mental state that I'm in.

[555] So, no, by the time I walk into the cage, I'm already that person.

[556] When they come and get you from that back room and they say, all right, it's your time.

[557] So I pace back and forth in the backstage before I do the walk, and I'm already, I'm starting to slowly climb into the Nigerian nightmare when I step inside that cage.

[558] So when I'm there, I don't even know, I don't feel, I don't see, I don't hear, I don't care that they're there.

[559] I have a task, I have a job to do and that's what i need to do so the fight is over time is passed what do you do now as far as prepare to fight again and do you go straight to a leon edwards rematch i that's a good question i've never been in this situation so for me it's it was always like all right well you know i get home and i'm home for like two three days and i start getting bored and Because it's only so much.

[560] Like I drive her to school.

[561] I get her ready in the morning, take her to school.

[562] Then I come back home.

[563] It's like 8 .30, and I'm just like sitting there.

[564] Because I can't go back to sleep.

[565] 8 .30 in the morning, I'm just sitting there like, shit.

[566] All right, well, let's go train.

[567] And I usually go back to the gym.

[568] And, you know, whether it's just hitting a bag or doing something, rolling with George, it's something.

[569] But now it's with this, the fight the way ended, they're like, hey, don't.

[570] You can't train for a certain amount of time.

[571] You can't hit the bag?

[572] Well, they don't want me doing anything to, I guess, cause a vibration or to my brain or anything like that.

[573] So I'm just like, you know what?

[574] I'm just going to lay low.

[575] Just give it a, because I very rarely do I have a break.

[576] Very rarely do I have someone say, hey, stop.

[577] You can't train.

[578] Even when I'm in training camp, practice is over.

[579] As soon as Trevor leaves the room, my mind is already like, what else can I do today?

[580] What else can I do to push, to enhance what I've just learned?

[581] And so it's kind of a relief.

[582] It's kind of a change to where I, one time I sat in my movie room for like four hours.

[583] I watched the fight like three times in a row over and over and over.

[584] And then watch the movie or something that I'm waiting.

[585] I'm just waiting for my daughter to get out of school.

[586] I'm like, okay, she's about to be done.

[587] All right, let's get ready to go get her.

[588] So I'm already bored and I want to go train.

[589] I want to go do something.

[590] I feel completely fine.

[591] Like I said, it was almost like Leon gave me a 20 -minute nap, and I was back.

[592] There was no other repercussions?

[593] Nothing.

[594] I feel nothing except for the bump on my shin for kicking his elbow, and I feel nothing.

[595] So I want to go back, but doctors are like saying, which I have to listen because they're supposed experts, and they're like, yeah, even though you might not feel anything, there might be some bruising back there.

[596] that you don't know that could cause some type of harm later on.

[597] So how many weeks?

[598] I don't know, a few weeks.

[599] A few weeks.

[600] Just a few weeks, yeah.

[601] But, you know, I'm already, you know, thinking about what I can do, push -up, sit -ups, or do this or that to just stay in shape because I already feel like, you know, I'm addicted to that burn of that workout, the burn of physical activity.

[602] I can honestly say I'm an addict to that.

[603] it's i mean you talk openly about this so i could bring it up but it's amazing how well you can fight and how well you can train with your knees the way they are i just go it's it's your mental strength in that regard is really extraordinary because like you've got some fucked up knees yeah but you don't see it when you're fighting you don't notice it at all you're throwing kicks you're wrestling it's um I get to I've just been conditioned over time to when it's time to just compete we compete I don't care what's going on we just we compete and are they getting worse I don't think so I mean I stabilized yeah I think they're stabilized because I you know over time now I've usually I could just go into a practice you know like I said that one day Rashad just came in didn't really even warm up and still whip my ass, I could usually do that.

[604] But now it takes me about 45 minutes to warm up.

[605] Even if my workout might be 30 minutes, it takes me about 45 minutes to warm up.

[606] And I try to be religiously diligent in that, in knowing that I have to get that in.

[607] In order to prolong my ability to stay here, I have to do that.

[608] And then after you're done, you've got to stretch, you've got to cool down, which I'm still, I'm much better at, but I'm still working out the kinks of those.

[609] It's amazing how many fighters don't stretch.

[610] I'm like, you guys are so crazy.

[611] It wasn't, but that's because it wasn't part of the culture.

[612] Yeah.

[613] We weren't taught that.

[614] It was just like, show up, spar, all right, go home, sit on your couch, you know.

[615] But in terms of, like, your ability to, like, execute kicks, it makes such a giant difference.

[616] It does.

[617] Flexible guys kick so much easier.

[618] It's like there's less resistance.

[619] Yeah.

[620] It's just the mechanics.

[621] of how they get the leg up there.

[622] The technique is, it's, yeah, they are.

[623] So you have to wait a few weeks before you can train again, and then once you start training again, then do you get an assessment of like when you'd be able to compete again?

[624] No, I mean, I think to compete, I think they would, you know, doctors would sign off in about two months.

[625] They would say you'd be okay.

[626] When you get knocked out cold, yeah.

[627] Do you think that the more time off the better In terms of fights I don't know It's weird that you're asking me that you I know it's weird I know Usually I'm asking You got knocked out cold Jamie You got knocked out cold Well usually what I'm talking to you I'm talking to you in the conversation Of like you might be the greatest of all time Yeah Now we're talking you in this conversation about like How do you get back in there?

[628] No I think For me personally everyone's like everyone's these experts everyone's throwing these things out like no he needs to wait a month two months three months oh no can he ever that's the this was the most the funniest thing to me that i've been seeing so far on the internet is is he ever going to be the same again how is he going to come back how is he going to do this how is he going to do that is he going to be gunshot is he going to fuck no i'm fine like right now i wanted to train last week I wanted to go in and spar last week But I knew that probably wasn't the wisest thing to do There is a thing that happens to fighters And I'm not saying this is going to happen to you Yeah But when they've been knocked out More than once oftentimes They lose their chin Yeah, I've definitely seen that Yeah And the thing is I don't Feel any different And I think the good thing about The way that I compete anyways Is I try not to take punishment you know i i try to use my brain i try to use you know i want to outthink the guys when i'm in there fighting and i think i do that pretty well so but i i i'm listening to you know the experts and the guys that have you know that have the knowledge of what this is and they're saying if they're saying okay you need to wait a month and not take any hard training or heavy this yeah of course i have nothing my time i mean the only logical thing that makes sense is to fight this guy again.

[629] Yeah.

[630] Well, that's where the money is, too.

[631] Yeah, but for me, it's not necessarily about the money.

[632] I don't, you know, I don't really care about the money.

[633] For me, don't tell Dana that.

[634] I mean, Dana, he cares about the money.

[635] Of course, me and Dana talk.

[636] Me and Dana, we hear it.

[637] So he knows.

[638] But for, I do care.

[639] I like to be, of course, I want to be rewarded for the time that I put in.

[640] But for me, it's, the main thing is representing the work that I put in.

[641] That's the biggest thing for me. I fucking, I give everything for this.

[642] Like, I've sacrificed a lot.

[643] I sacrifice relationships.

[644] I sacrificed time with my daughter.

[645] I think this camp, I was gone almost like a six -week stretch.

[646] Like, this is time that I won't get back.

[647] All these things that I sacrificed.

[648] I sacrificed time with friends, you know.

[649] Like, for me, I just live this.

[650] You know, I'm in camp.

[651] like my nutritionist the chef and she'll make me food some days I'll come in and I'll just I won't even talk I'll just eat the food's there ready and I'll just eat and I know in her head she wants to have a conversation or she's wondering why is any you know talking I don't I just want to eat you know I'm living in my head and I'm going through this experience and maybe that day Trevor put me through a workout that was just super tough that I I was fluctuating with dealing dealing with it mentally while I was doing it.

[652] So I'm reflecting on that the whole time.

[653] So I might sit there and just stare off in the space while I'm eating.

[654] And I know she probably wonders like, why isn't he talking?

[655] Why isn't he?

[656] But that's it.

[657] I sacrifice all of those things for what I am doing right now.

[658] And so, yeah, I have to represent that.

[659] Each and every time I step in there, I want to represent that to the fullest.

[660] You know, I don't spend as much time with my mom and dad.

[661] You know, my dad's out now, and, you know, I'm sure he's having a blast, you know, now, seeing where we all are in life.

[662] But I would love to spend more time with them, but I sacrifice all of that to go and try to be great at this.

[663] So, in an ideal timeline, when would you like to have a rematch?

[664] I think what makes more sense is to go to London or go to England somewhere.

[665] I think that makes sense.

[666] That makes sense.

[667] I love the idea.

[668] I love it.

[669] And so I think they already booked all the way up until January.

[670] So I think any time, February, March.

[671] So that's a good amount of time, too.

[672] That's a good amount of time to recover.

[673] Yeah, it's perfect.

[674] It's always like it just lines up perfectly.

[675] Yeah, so I'm going to take the time.

[676] I'm going to make sure that I listen to all the experts and take the appropriate time to let it heal.

[677] If they say, oh, yeah, you're healed now, which I already feel fine, then, hey, let's rock and roll.

[678] Yeah, that will be bananas.

[679] Oh, yeah.

[680] That fight will be bananas.

[681] That will be one of the biggest fights in the history of the sport for sure.

[682] I mean, it's going to be epic because it was such a shocking result.

[683] It was so unexpected.

[684] You know, it came out of nowhere in a fight you were dominating.

[685] And the rematch in England, I mean, Leon.

[686] a hero over there now I mean it would be yeah it's gonna be gigantic yeah I think you know that over there for that one Joe you gotta come I might have to go you got to go you got I'm not to take that trip this is I mean it's it just lines up like I've I've the thing is I'm so grateful for some of the things that I am experiencing in in life to I was grateful to to be able to fight Tyron Woodley for the bell and win and I'm grateful to be able to defend and I always wanted the headline a pay -per -view in Vegas I did that with Kobe Coventon it's like wow that was great to me it's like all these amazing things and then it's like MSG wow that would be cool and then I get the call it's like oh shit I'm gonna do that too it's grateful for that then now to be a part of potentially headlining a stadium show in England yeah they're talking about Wembley right yeah which is What is that, 80 ,000 people?

[687] Yeah, something like that.

[688] That, that I...

[689] I thought 18, I thought 18, like, I walk out to Salt Lake City, which is big shout out to Salt Lake City, big shout out to all the guys that took care of us there, Sean, and all those guys, they, they, the AG, and they did a fantastic job taking care of.

[690] They were very hospitable.

[691] And so I'm thinking, oh, you know, I love it.

[692] because I went to school in Colorado in Iowa and the Midwest so I'm like okay Salt Lake City and I live in Colorado I'm like I'm you know I don't know what to expect here and I walk out I'm walking out I'm like holy shit these people on top of me like they were like right there they were right there It was intimate arena Yeah it was intimate they were packed I was like wow this is incredible And they were hyped up Oh yeah To have a big title fight in Salt Lake like that They were hyped up oh yeah i'm hoping they uh they enjoyed the show and not the result i wanted but well you got a great attitude about it i'll tell you that man you know your attitude about the relief of it is very similar to matt hughes's attitude i remember when i interviewed matt hughes after bj beat him and he he was very honest inside the cage he said i have to be honest it's a relief like it's a lot of pressure you know like constantly having these guys like biting at my heels and, you know, I'm going to go back and hit the gym and regroup and come back stronger.

[693] Yeah, I feel like that, but I got used to dealing with to where I wasn't even, I didn't even think about the guys anymore.

[694] You know, it was always someone.

[695] You know, as soon before you even get done, oh, that guy's next, that guy's next.

[696] It was always someone.

[697] But I got used to that in wrestling because, you know, the three years, Division II, I was ranked number one going into the national tournament.

[698] And so I kind of made friends with everyone looking at me as that guy, the number one guy they were coming after, and that was fine for me. It was fine.

[699] I got beat my sophomore year and junior year.

[700] I got beaten the national finals, and then senior year, I was like, no, I'm going to win this thing.

[701] And I eventually did win it.

[702] But I feel like everything in my life leading up to it has just been preparing me for it, you know.

[703] And it's, now it's, I'm just blessed to be able to still be able to do it you know to say that i and i talk to my my friends i which i consider like big brothers daniel cornea and these guys and daniel's like yo when you stop this shit stops it just stops and you feel it because as an elite athlete you feel that yeah and i think some of these guys are still chasing that i mean connor's still chasing that he you know he loves that feeling which you know more power to him if he can still get there but the difference between the life of a combat sports athlete and then regular life when it ends is really hard for people to adjust it's very crazy because it's all about building up to these moments these extreme moments and you know if you have a career that's 40 fights you have 40 of these wild ass moments in your life and then everything other than that is preparing for the next moment it's like celebrating the victory of the moment rebuilding from the defeat of the moment training and getting ready for the next moment and then no more moments forever it all goes away and for some people that's hard some people find something cool to do and they know they find like a crazy hobby that they really enjoy and they find something that really they can focus on but i think for a guy who chases excellence his whole life like yourself it's very difficult to find something to do with that energy because what you're doing is you're not just chasing excellence you're chasing it globally you're trying to be the most dominant person at 170 pounds on planet earth and you're succeeding at it and you put forth this immense amount of concentration and determination and discipline and effort and thought and just focus and the process over and over again day in and day out with incremental improvements and and then you have these moments and then boom you land that right hand on mosfidal and he goes asleep like that kind of moment yeah and then the world cheers but those go away they go away you have to some sort of funnel for that energy that that that's um that's a very good way putting it because um and I like I said I try to I try to learn from the guys that have done it before and that's one of the things whether you win or lose you're gonna have you're gonna have a come down yeah and there's just you know moments where you feel the depression kind of setting a little bit and obviously worse when you you do lose and I recognize those and I've been you know over the years now I've been you know trying to kind of branch out and learn different ways and get into different things to be able to do that and you know I've taken up which I would love to have a conversation one day you know hopefully being in the same setting of Michael Jordan I would love to have a conversation with the guy like that you know and the Tiger Woods and all these guys and have a conversation with them and just what is it like?

[704] Love learning.

[705] Yeah, what is it like for you guys?

[706] You know, but now I'm just, I'm starting to learn branching out.

[707] I took up tennis.

[708] I'm starting to learn tennis, tennis lessons.

[709] That seems like it's more fucked up for your knees.

[710] Yeah, golf lessons.

[711] I'm starting to, you know, take a little bit of lessons there.

[712] And even in the business world, I've started to kind of dabble a little bit in that, which that I've been screwed over a couple of times.

[713] Oh, really?

[714] And like, oh, fuck.

[715] Like, that's what I'm saying.

[716] It's like, it's hard when you're doing something.

[717] like this because this has to take a lot of my attention.

[718] Right.

[719] And so, even in the business world, I've been, you know, I've been got a few times, Joe.

[720] I was, I've been got Joe, I mean, I tell you two quick stories.

[721] One, the first time I was got by this, some girl in Miami named Lisa, Lisa Anderson or something like that.

[722] And she was, I guess, a day trader.

[723] And, you know, new Rashad.

[724] So this was right, I became champion.

[725] Right after the time with this, the first time I'm really made significant money.

[726] And everyone, you know, tells you, oh, you have to invest, you have to invest, you have to invest.

[727] I'm like, oh, fuck, okay, I need to start now, you know, to invest something.

[728] And, you know, me and Rashad, I meet with some advisors and I'm thinking about working with them.

[729] And that same day, after that meeting, I met with Rashad, me and Rashad had lunch, and Rashad's like, oh yeah, I know this girl who does investments and things like that.

[730] I was like oh okay I didn't know how well he knew her he was just like oh I know this girl and I was like oh yeah he's like yeah you should probably holler at her you know so Rashad's always that's like big brother he's always trying to like help me out this way and that way so finally meet the girl you know like eventually we connect and she's not bad looking you know that's part of the problem that's how they get you it's not bad looking and she just you know, I guess games me up over time and make a long story short she got me out of like 55 bands 55 ,000.

[731] Really?

[732] Got me. Haven't seen a dime back.

[733] What did she do?

[734] How'd she do it?

[735] She was a day trader and we signed this contract to where okay you invest this amount and this is the amount of interest that she can incur over time.

[736] Is it in a fund?

[737] In a fund, yeah.

[738] She had these small funds in increments of a lot, I think maybe half a million or 300 ,000, and I had different people in the fund, and whatever, whatever, you know, I don't know what she did, but eventually she got me for 55, you know, I try to reach out to her to get the money back, nothing.

[739] And then over time, then she had messaged me, like maybe a year later, like, hey, I'm sorry, I lost everything.

[740] I wanted to reach out to you and blah, blah, blah.

[741] I just, for me, it was just like, I'm not fucking getting it back.

[742] So, Was she just making bad investments, or did she swindle it?

[743] I have no idea.

[744] It's South Florida.

[745] Oh, boy.

[746] It's so crazy.

[747] Oh, which leads me to the next one.

[748] Oh, my God.

[749] So this guy, it's a guy named Pino.

[750] Right away, I'm nervous.

[751] And he's Canadian, you know, from Canada.

[752] He owns this franchise, pizza pasta franchise in Canada, named Vivo.

[753] and and I met him through a mutual friend you know that I had in Florida guy friend of mine that was you know smart guy into business and the friend's like yeah he has this restaurant that he already has like five six locations in Canada doing well blah blah blah and and I just happen to go to Canada maybe 2017 or 2018 and then he's like hey come to these come look at these restaurants and I go look at him amazing I mean crowds people and I have the food it's amazing I'm like, okay this is cool but I'm still reluctant like I don't know I don't know enough about this and the guy and the way he talks you know as Italian guys like hey and he calls me Kumar I'm like that's my name it's like it's like it's like hey we're gonna go here we're gonna eat and we're gonna have a great time I'm telling you this is gonna be the best ever you've ever and he talks like that and he just it's just you know you have the intuition right but I just you don't fucking listen into it.

[754] And he's like, okay, I'm coming down.

[755] I want to basically do the same thing in South Florida.

[756] I'm doing the chain or whatnot.

[757] And I'm still reluctant because all my advisors and my accountant says, don't get involved in a restaurant business.

[758] Don't do it.

[759] Don't do it.

[760] You know, especially if you don't know what you're doing.

[761] Don't do it.

[762] So I listen.

[763] I listen for a while.

[764] And then he just somehow uses my friends, these people around me to get to me. So all in all, we get a group of the guys of us.

[765] He gets us for like half a million.

[766] And, you know, he sells us the restaurant, like one of the business.

[767] And he got them because they were in for another location.

[768] So he got them for like over a million.

[769] So the one I invested in was a different location.

[770] And he got us for half a million.

[771] But he turned around and sold it to a, the same time, sold it to another couple like pay.

[772] And I forget her name, Paige and Paul, someone got them for like half a million.

[773] Turns out and sells it to another one.

[774] Like this is all.

[775] Like he sells the same restaurant to like three or four different people.

[776] Oh my God.

[777] And I remember sometimes he would talk to us and he said, you know, I just, I don't like these people down here in South Florida.

[778] They're a bunch of scammers.

[779] You know, I don't like these people.

[780] And when people talk about scammers, chances are they are the scammers.

[781] Right.

[782] And he gets us for that much.

[783] And he's, I don't know.

[784] I think he's sold it to someone else now, a different group.

[785] now and the thing is he's still walking around what like you know especially me all told he got them for some of those my friends he got them for over a million and then he got us he got our group for another half a million then he got them for another half the other group page and Paul for like half a million so a couple million at least yeah oh he's but who knows how many people he's done that to I mean he's because he's got locations all through Canada.

[786] What's the name of the place?

[787] Vivo.

[788] Vivo pizza pasta.

[789] So what does he do?

[790] He sells it to a bunch of different people.

[791] Yeah, he's a franchisor.

[792] And then he's, I think he's, I don't, I don't want to speculate on what he's doing with the money.

[793] But all I know is he sold us a location that we paid him for, never was built the time where he said he would be built, nothing, anything like that.

[794] And then now he's saying he didn't get money from us while we're like, here's the receipts.

[795] he's like no i didn't get that much it's like what what and he lives in Canada he lives in Florida and Canada so he's like like I could see him around in Florida he he would probably be in a restaurant like he it's a close place where we live so he I could probably see him in a restaurant he's just sitting there eating what would you probably swindling someone else I don't know I probably nothing you know the the smart the smart individual that the smarter individual that I am now probably nothing because that's just an opportunity for him to get more money out of me like if I go up and and let's say he decides to I'm going to get brave and talk reckless to him because he knows he's going to provoke me and try to get in my face and do this what am I supposed to do right people like that I can't hit him I can't you know like I'm a boy I'm a man at some point I'm going to want to get physical you know I can't do that because if I do do that it's like yes now I get more money out of him can you sue him Yeah, I think we're in the process of trying to do that, but it's...

[796] How long has it been going on?

[797] For a while, and over a year.

[798] That's why I don't get involved.

[799] Yeah.

[800] I don't get involved in anything.

[801] People ask me to invest in stuff.

[802] I'm like, you're on your own, fucker.

[803] I don't have any time, man. I don't have any time.

[804] I have zero time for that.

[805] But these are all lessons.

[806] These are all things that I'm learning.

[807] It's a good attitude.

[808] Yeah.

[809] That is how you have to look at it.

[810] They really are just lessons.

[811] Yeah, and the whole thing with my, same thing with my daughter is like, now with this loss, it's, it's, she doesn't give a shit.

[812] That's great.

[813] Like the next day, she's like, oh, I got to go to school.

[814] Hey, can I go to this park and play?

[815] Can I go do this?

[816] And my daughter doesn't care.

[817] You know, yeah, I have to live with it, but I'm in a rare, I get a rare opportunity to rebuild, to work myself up and show her that, look, it's not the end of the world.

[818] Like, you could still get back to this point.

[819] still do something and so yeah that was it was weird to me that you know people would speak on that and negatively about that and Connor would say something about yeah that's why I don't bring my family or I wouldn't bring my family well he's just trying to fuck with you I think there was a time where he was angling towards a fight with you yeah but I don't like that's the thing is I gave him an opportunity to fight me he didn't take it so was this post -porier fight when he broke his leg or before that before that Oh yeah, before that Before I gave him an opportunity He didn't want to do it like he broke his leg Like I didn't even when he broke his leg I didn't kick him when I was down That's a very tough injury You know I almost felt for him I almost wanted to even send him a message and say Hey man you you know heal up you'd be back Like I would do that's just kind of who I am This is sport it's yeah it's fucking sport At the end of the day you're still a human being If I saw you on the side of the road and you needed help Or something was wrong If I could I would 100 % try to help There's a few people I'd pass right by.

[820] Okay, yeah.

[821] A few people I'd hug my horn.

[822] Hey, hey, good luck, fuck face.

[823] Yeah, maybe that guy now in Florida.

[824] Yeah, fuck Pino.

[825] Yeah, that guy, I'll probably be like, yeah.

[826] Bro, you got a flat tire.

[827] That's it.

[828] That's it, no help.

[829] I hope your phone runs out of batteries.

[830] Fuck out of here.

[831] You crook?

[832] Yeah.

[833] There's so much scamming going on in South Florida.

[834] Oh, my God.

[835] It's so much partying, so many partiers.

[836] It's a, it's a unique place.

[837] It definitely is.

[838] It's like a different country in its own.

[839] Yeah.

[840] Because it's, and South Florida, it's almost like it's a service industry.

[841] Like anything you need serviced, they service it for you in South Florida.

[842] That it's that.

[843] So a lot of people are posing and trying to pose and do that, you know, that they're this and that.

[844] But it's really not.

[845] that that's a great way to put it like a service in you they're almost talking you like sales people yeah everything is a sale you know whether it's it's whether it's it's physical mental emotional financial or everything it's a saying they're selling everything they're selling everything in south florida how many girls got rich just scamming rich dudes in florida there's a whole industry whole industry you know the the night life and yeah and the business and just everything.

[846] And everyone's moving and shaken, and now everyone wants to get involved in NFTs.

[847] They all want to talk to you about NFTs, and, you know, are you into crypto?

[848] Because you get you into crypto, bro.

[849] You've got a crypto wallet?

[850] You're like, huh?

[851] What?

[852] I do actually have a crypto wallet.

[853] I have three.

[854] There's nothing wrong with crypto, but it's the people that get involved in it.

[855] Do you have crypto?

[856] Yeah, I've got some.

[857] I got some Bitcoin.

[858] Yeah, I got some Bitcoin.

[859] It's the people to get into that that recognize there's a lot of fuckery in NFTs and Bitcoin.

[860] It's like what, NFTs in particular.

[861] It's like, what is that?

[862] What's going on there?

[863] I have no. I've, I don't, I've had it explain to me a dozen times or more.

[864] I don't get it.

[865] I still don't get it, but at the same time, I'm not ignorant in recognizing that things are moving a certain way.

[866] Yeah.

[867] I can't, like, the whole, the whole metaverse thing.

[868] Mm -hmm.

[869] It's ridiculous to me. The fact that they're selling real estate in a make, this is a place that's not an make -believe universe.

[870] They're selling, people are actually paying money for this.

[871] It's wild to me. I found out from my friend Tim Dillon, who was on the podcast, he goes, do you own any virtual real estate?

[872] And I'm like, what?

[873] What are you talking about?

[874] And then Jamie had to pull up all the different kinds of virtual real estate that you could buy, and how people, like, companies are buying.

[875] it what they're buying up big swaths of virtual reality like what does it even mean yeah what is like I guess the idea is like get in early and then if it is very valuable you you were you got in early so you got this virtual real estate before it you know the price skyrocketed but if it's okay this is the thing if it's a virtual real estate like there's no endless to there's no end to the possibilities so then how how does it how is it valuable I don't get it.

[876] I don't get it.

[877] I mean, I don't get it at all.

[878] I scratch my head and I go, can't anybody just make virtual real estate?

[879] Can you keep making more virtual real estate?

[880] Like, how controlled is this whole metaverse thing?

[881] Is there only going to be one?

[882] Is there going to be multiple metaverses?

[883] It's weird the things that we as humans put value on.

[884] It's weird, weird to me. And I had a number.

[885] experience with with my daughter with this and i my uh actually ali uh bought her a pair of shoes one time for a birthday and and it was the you know the belenziaga's like that like you put on like so they feel like socks some of the most comfortable shoes i've wore and i wouldn't me at that point and yeah i have enough money to to buy them i wouldn't i wouldn't buy those they were like $1 ,100.

[886] I'm like, no fucking way I'm going to buy those.

[887] And then the kid's size were like $700.

[888] No way in hell I'm going to spend $700 for my kid.

[889] And she's going to grow out of them.

[890] Well, she's going to grow out of them in a month or a couple of months.

[891] So I'm like, no. But, you know, Ali wanted to just buy her something.

[892] I was like, bro, it was such a thoughtful and special gift.

[893] So I buy it and he buys it and I give it to her.

[894] And she loves him.

[895] And she's like, oh, man, he's a great.

[896] And I remember when I gave him to her and I said that to her.

[897] And I said, hey, don't wear this to school because I know when she goes to school, she's just going to play.

[898] Recess.

[899] They have recess twice a day.

[900] She's going to wreck those quickly.

[901] And I'm like, you don't want to wear them in school because you don't want to mess them up.

[902] So I said, and I'm going off of the experience that what my parents would tell me. And so I'm gone.

[903] I think I go out of town for something.

[904] I had to go do a show or something.

[905] And I come back to next week and I see the shoes.

[906] They were like wrecked.

[907] I was like, Samiris, you wear your shoes.

[908] choose the school and I and I instantly I caught myself on my I have to be careful how I approached this with her I was like hey did you wear these at school and she's like yeah I was like well did you see how dirty they are she's like yeah but we can just clean them and you know she kind of talks to me like that like it's a little smart smart sass now and I'm like I'm like okay yeah we we could clean them so we clean them and she she you know she's starting at this point I'm just like oh fuck who cares she's just gonna wear them anyway So she's wearing them.

[909] Then the next week she goes to gymnastic practice.

[910] And I didn't know I was somewhere.

[911] I think I was in Denver and training.

[912] And so she calls me. She facetimes me. Some random number facetimes me. And it was her at gymnastics.

[913] I don't think of waiting to be picked up.

[914] Her mom was waiting to pick her up.

[915] And she was with one of her friends.

[916] She calls me and she goes, hey, daddy, can you, um, and we're talking.

[917] I'm like, hey.

[918] what's up what's going on she's sitting next to another girl little girl and she goes um my friend i forget her name my friend loves my shoes can you buy her a pair of shoes whoa and uh and i remember in my head and i was just like in my head i'm like fuck what fuck no you know how much i didn't even buy those for you you know much those costs you know in my head i'm thinking this but then i'm i had to snap into very quickly i had to catch myself and i'm just psych she doesn't know and she doesn't care what those shoes are we put value on it we as adults have put a value that those shoes are worth $700 she doesn't give a shit she doesn't know and she doesn't care all she cares about the value that she cares is making her friend feel good for wanting to have the same shoes that she has that's all she cares about and in my head I'm like those are fucking seven hundred dollars I'm not buying those I didn't even buy you those ones I'm not I'm not doing that but she's just like can you buy these for my friends she just wanted to make her friend feel good and I had to catch myself and me and Eddie alvarez we talked about had a conversation about this and I was just like wow so crazy how it's like kids got this shit figured out mentally they don't care there's no attachment to that seven hundred all pair of shoes they don't give a shit all they care about is they experience and how their friend is going to feel when they give them this gift and and i remember i had caught myself i was like holy shit i can't i can't i can i have to approach certain things differently like this little girl is teaching me so much and and enhancing me so much even with my relationships and now i deal with them now and deal with maybe a loss of a relationship or gaining a new one how you deal with them i'm learning so much so fast it's almost like and i i've still feel like I felt when I was 12 but I'm fucking 35 like this is probably how you know how we'll see 60 year olds that are doing young things and you you're like at your age you're 60 you don't know they just feel a certain way they still feel the same well we're assuming that when you get to be a certain age you're gonna run out of energy yeah and you're gonna be exhausted and so you should act your age fairly fairly fairly accurate assessment yeah that's what happens with most people but you can you can keep that shit going a lot longer than most people do the problem is most people are lazy yeah and they just don't take care of their body and they don't you got to take care of your body the entire time so if you get to some people and they're like 70 years old and like act your age like why should he yeah why should he's fucking healthy he's out there running around doing shit that's what you should do if you can oh yeah we just also assume that people get broken down by jobs too they're broken down by work responsibilities and you know you just got to be some boring person who can't be silly about shit can't have fun joe you're living this is i mean i don't i don't live your life so i can't really i can't really you know speak on it but if i i know how i feel when i'm home in my house i don't want to leave and yeah of course now people make it a lot harder for me to even want to be outside to be around people but i don't want to leave i can stay in my house all day and just be there.

[919] But this set up like here, I would never leave.

[920] Do you have a bed here?

[921] No. You don't have a bed here?

[922] No, I'd probably sleep here if I did.

[923] Yeah, I would, I would probably build.

[924] That's probably one of the things that I'd build.

[925] I'd build a room here with a bad, comfortable bed and just, I would never leave.

[926] You got your gym here.

[927] You've got your recovery, your therapy, your sauna and cold tub and all that here.

[928] I would never leave.

[929] I have that shit at home, too.

[930] That shit's important.

[931] she's like yeah i got that at home too that's why i don't leave my house you know people want like what's a great luxury item a sauna and a cold plunge yeah if you're an athlete if you're a person who works out all the time sauna and a cold plunge if you're a person who values your immune system wants your recovery to be better you want the reduce inflammation in your life sauna and a cold plunge get those two motherfuckers back to back do 20 minutes in that sauna and do like three to five minutes in that cold plunge you get out you're a different human you're a different human and then if you do it all the time your body has so much more resilience you bounce back from things so much better do you think it's beneficial to go more than the three to five minutes probably not really yeah I don't think so I did 20 minutes once it wasn't smart yeah me neither I did I did it too I think the most I did uh I think 18 minutes yeah you feel fucked up for days yeah you show mental toughness but then for days my body's like was wrong everything feels weird i i that's exactly how i felt and i did it was one i would just build it up to it and camp and i would um it was uh maybe the mass football camp that's mass football too i would i would i would go in cold plunge over with uh rose and pat after we work out we'd get in there and i would start i think we started at usually i'd do eight minutes and then i started 10 10 is like my thing i'd 10 minutes i get in there and then i started I just kept going.

[932] It was like 12 minutes.

[933] And then one day I was just, I got into that zone, what I was talking about, a lot earlier in camp.

[934] I got into it like maybe a week or two before I was done with camp.

[935] So I was just in there.

[936] And I was just like, no. And he used, Pat came out.

[937] I was like, oh, yeah, that's time.

[938] It's okay.

[939] All right.

[940] Are you using one where they pour the ice in the water?

[941] I used to, I used to, that at Rose and Pat, we did that one.

[942] But now Justin has one that is like, has the filter and the, pumps and everything like just the water that shit that shit is cold that shit is cold and that's the one i did all this camp and i would i think i did maybe like eight 10 minutes that's a lot yeah that's a lot those are the real ones though that's where you get the real work so like some people brag about the the ice plunge and i'm like put a fucking thermometer in that bitch that's just 48 degrees that ain't nothing yeah like it's not that cold justin's this one was fucking cold those the real ones like morosco forged that i have one of those at home and that that fucker's at 33 34 degrees there's always ice floating in it and then the one here the blue cube is 37 degrees but it's moving the water's moving so it's like you're in a fucking cold river well not pat out justin you're in 37 degree river like oh fuck yeah i got it the first one i first time i went in and i go in hands too because actually the first day i did My little brother kept telling me, yeah, yeah, put your hands in there, put your hands.

[943] That's the way he tells me. What, you weren't doing the hands?

[944] I was, I weren't put, I would go, I would go, like, neck up, but I would put my hand out.

[945] Just in case, you know, someone breaks in the house.

[946] Yeah, I need to be able to hop out.

[947] Yeah, I got to get out quick.

[948] So I, that day, I just, I think it was maybe my brother telling me to put my hands in was kind of like, no, I'm not putting my hands in.

[949] No, I'm good, I'm good.

[950] And I needed it because this is, the one I just sat in surgically repaired I should have put it in that day so I didn't and it was it was cold I mean because you know it hit you hit that wall about two three minutes in yeah and then it's once I get through that that I'm just in there and I'm like okay I can do more I can do more I can do more that's where I start pushing the limits of what I can do and and yeah Trevor's Trevor's been doing it now like he just does it every day him and his wife they'll do it every day And Justin is still, eh, he has it in his house, but I think he's still questionable whether he'll do it or not.

[951] Does he have anything scheduled?

[952] No, I don't think not yet.

[953] He's still chilling.

[954] He's still taking some time.

[955] But he's kind of like me. Like, you know, he'll come in the gym.

[956] He'll watch me train, and then he'll, like, punch the bag, you know, or, like, hit the other bag.

[957] It's kind of fun when we come into our gym at Onyx.

[958] We have all the little gadgets to different things that Trevor has and uses to train us.

[959] So it's like, for me, it's hard to walk by a speed bag and not punch it.

[960] It's very hard.

[961] I'm like, okay, let me just hit it once.

[962] Let me see if I got the little pattern.

[963] Next thing you know, I'm there five minutes.

[964] I'm just running the bag.

[965] So Justin's kind of like that.

[966] Trevor makes the best fucking equipment.

[967] Oh, yeah.

[968] His MMA gloves should be adopted by all organizations.

[969] The fact that the UFC and him haven't come to some sort of an agreement doesn't make any sense to me because the UFC gloves that they use are so inferior to the gloves that Trevor makes.

[970] Those onyx MMA gloves, I think we would have less eye pokes because they make your hand curve.

[971] It forces your hands to curve.

[972] Yeah, forces your hand to curve.

[973] I think we'd thus have less hand brakes because I think it offers better support for your hands.

[974] Yeah.

[975] That's the thing with Trevor.

[976] Trevor's such his mind is always.

[977] He builds everything.

[978] Builds everything.

[979] Fixes everything and and that was the biggest thing is he wanted to because you know fighters we always hurt our hands we always break our hands and he was like man how is mine's always going how can I create something that's better to for your hands that can enhance it and enhance it and so his gloves even the big the 16 ounces the X factor gloves are amazing they're the shit and the MMA ones I think eventually like you know people are just slow the world is slow like that sometimes you know when you when you tell people hey I have this thing that's going to help people are kind of like uh well we'll see but then once someone else adopts it and starts using it's like oh yeah we yeah we got to do that we got to do that so i think it'd take a little bit time but i just think forever it'd be great for him and it'd be great for the ufc just absolutely just just just you just come along and buy it buy that design it's the best design it's yeah but it has to make sense yeah they should give him the right amount of money it's it it's it's he did the work he made the best glove it's the best anybody that i give it to like We had one at the old studio.

[980] Yeah.

[981] I'd go try this shit on.

[982] And they put it on and they'd be like, oh, fuck.

[983] Like, this is better.

[984] It makes you want to throw a punch.

[985] Yeah, it's better.

[986] It's better support for your hand.

[987] Yeah.

[988] I mean, in his bag gloves and his sparring gloves, the Velcro ones, like Justin told me he doesn't even wear hand wraps.

[989] No, Justin, yeah, they're built to where you don't have to wear hand wrap.

[990] Yeah, I mean, that second strap that tightens their shit down, like you really feel like you could just hit things with him on.

[991] Yeah.

[992] still got to wear hand wraps now your hand surgery that you had how long did it take you to recover i think the doc said about four months and but then after the four months because i wanted to right away i wanted to start hitting the back because i wanted to i was going to try to push myself and fight an international fight fight weekend i wanted the headline there but um yeah doc was like yeah that's that's kind of close too close to comfort because i would start punching right away And, you know, God forbid you hit someone's skull.

[993] Right.

[994] And I don't want to split that back up and this do, you know, permanent damage.

[995] What did they have to do to your hand?

[996] So I kept feeling pain.

[997] I was like, yo, something's wrong with my hand.

[998] You know, because it was like this tendon right here, when you push on this finger, would just kind of give.

[999] And I was like, that's not normal because usually I pride myself on my grip.

[1000] When I grab, it's not going anything.

[1001] But this I'm having an issue, but it wasn't necessarily a lot of pain, you know, when you hit right away and so I would kept I kept saying it and saying it.

[1002] So they made me get an MRI, but I got the MRI like this.

[1003] So they couldn't really see it.

[1004] So what happened was I had a cut.

[1005] I had this tendon right here that that folds the hand finger up and down split into this way.

[1006] So when I had my hand straight, it's hard to see it.

[1007] But when I had my hand straight, it's hard to see it.

[1008] But when I was, I was a tendon right here that, that folds the hand finger up and down, that folds the finger up and down split into it.

[1009] So, it's split it.

[1010] So when I'm When you go like that, it just opens up.

[1011] So I had a hole in it in my hand, and I kept punching.

[1012] It was his doctor in California that that was his specialty, Dr. Shin, and this is what he does.

[1013] And he's like, yeah, I've dealt with a few boxers and a few, you know, fighters and basketball players to where I know that injury.

[1014] It's hard to see, but, you know, he had a thought of maybe that's what's going on.

[1015] And then once he went in there, he's like, yep, you got to, I come out of surgeon.

[1016] He's like, show me the pictures that he took on his iPhone.

[1017] He's like, look, look.

[1018] You take, he's like, yep, just what I thought.

[1019] And I just had a hole in my hand from that.

[1020] So he had to go in and stitch it like this together.

[1021] And so it'd heal like that.

[1022] So now I have function, you know, with it.

[1023] So it's still a little bit of scar tissue right there compared to this one.

[1024] But it feels 100%.

[1025] I don't know if anything's 100%.

[1026] Once you get cut into, I don't know if that's, that's, not the way God made you or that's not the way that you were born.

[1027] So I don't know if I would say 100%, but definitely feels good.

[1028] Well, that's a very important point about fighters going into fights is that they're very, very rarely 100%.

[1029] Oh, yeah.

[1030] And athletes, you know, when you step into the octagon, you look 100%.

[1031] Shit, look at him.

[1032] He looks amazing.

[1033] So everybody assumes there's nothing wrong.

[1034] But like, how many times have you had a fight where you got some shit wrong?

[1035] Um, now it's, if, if I'm going into a fight and there's nothing wrong, I'm like, oh, did I prepare enough?

[1036] Did I do enough in this camp?

[1037] I think almost every fight, something has been really, really wrong to where I could have been like, yeah, I can't fight.

[1038] And there's evidence.

[1039] The doctors are saying, yeah, I don't recommend you to fight.

[1040] Something has definitely been wrong.

[1041] Every fight.

[1042] Every fight.

[1043] Every fight.

[1044] What's the worst thing?

[1045] I don't know you kind of have to pick your poison on that one like before masphidal two I didn't throw a punch with my right hand for three weeks until fight night yeah until fight night I didn't throw my right hand until no not masfatal before uh Colby Kobe 2 I didn't throw a punch for three weeks until fight nine um Masvedal was my I think my leg my knee yeah something happened with my knee I got kicked in the knee boom just went out so I was for like three for like two three weeks leading up to the fight I was just like bro I'm I don't think I could fight and for this last one my hamstring just popped three four weeks before and I didn't throw a right kick until fight night for this one and did it limit my mobility maybe but who cares I'm the biggest thing for me is I'm I'm grateful that I've made it there The biggest fight is that weight cut To make the weight the night That's the biggest one What do you walk around that?

[1046] Now that I'm getting older I'm starting to get up there So I'm like maybe like 95 I would say in between 95 and 200 That's not that bad for 170 Yeah but I'm I'm walking around and maybe 6, 7 % body fat Yeah And my fattest So I think like Like my threshold is like 185, 84, 85.

[1047] That's what I'm like really down of all fats.

[1048] Then the rest has to be muscle and water.

[1049] Yeah.

[1050] That's painful.

[1051] George Lockhart was explaining this to me, and he was saying that people with a lot of muscles, like yourself, it's actually easier for them to cut weight than skinny people or people that have fat.

[1052] Yeah.

[1053] Because like you don't get a lot of water out of fat.

[1054] They said you get into water out of the muscle tissue.

[1055] Yeah, I've tried that.

[1056] And I think when I fought, when I didn't fight, actually, the most muscular I was, was when Tyrone Woodley fought Dary and Till in Dallas.

[1057] I weighed in as an alternate for that, for that fight.

[1058] Because in my head, I was going to be, I was going to fight for this title, whether Dary and Till made the weight or whether Tyrone Willey made, whether Dary and Till didn't make it or Tyrone Willey didn't make it, I was going to step in.

[1059] I was prepared to step in.

[1060] and I was that was most muscular in that camp I prepared for two different styles two different guys and I was really muscular and I got 13 off in two hours I think that was that was a video that will did that was out I did 13 pounds in two hours and I was what are you doing to get 13 pounds off in two hours just working work I've over the I used to run on the treadbills but clearly that doesn't work anymore so now I'll do elliptical and sauna, elliptical and sauna, those two and a little bit of work.

[1061] Just back and forth and back and forth elliptical.

[1062] I probably do an hour on the elliptical, and once I get done with that, I've got a pretty good sweat going.

[1063] And now I can do the sauna in alternate, do some time in the sauna, come out, go back in, come out.

[1064] But it's almost like my body knows.

[1065] It just knows what we're about to go through.

[1066] Right.

[1067] Without me telling it, it knows, hey, we're going to cut today.

[1068] We're going to be, do this.

[1069] So it just naturally starts doing it.

[1070] And once I'm in that process, it just starts coming off and it comes off.

[1071] And it shocks me every time because now I can pretty much know, I know when to stop.

[1072] What does it feel like when you actually hit 170 though?

[1073] I've never given birth to a child.

[1074] but uh i would say i want to say those are comparable pains because i it's it's unexplainable because your body's is dying yeah you know it's actually dying because the organs require fluids and all of that and you've just taken all of that out so it's just slowly dying and you're just there waiting to step on the scale and and people think oh you made 170 now you're good no it takes Take some time for you to start to feel good again.

[1075] When do you feel good again?

[1076] Like how many hours?

[1077] I want to say like eight hours after is when I start starting to feel like normal again, eight hours after.

[1078] And what is, do you have a protocol that you follow as far as rehydration?

[1079] Oh, yeah.

[1080] It's, and I've done it every wrong way.

[1081] But for me, the best way is like now, oral hydration.

[1082] You know, knowing when I put in the sodium, the magnesium and certain things, that you know step by step and that's what you know big shout out to Clint and the guys at the the PI you know they have a whole protocol on the process to getting those fluids back in you the electrolytes you know the the carbohydrates and the certain things back in your body that's going to hold that water and you know it takes a it's a process it takes some time and you got the rubber suit on too oh yeah oh yeah that aids in getting it off and And see, at this moment, it's, it got to hold you up because your body's just wrecked.

[1083] Yeah, I've watched certain people get on the scale.

[1084] Yeah.

[1085] And you see him shuffling to the scale.

[1086] You know, I can't believe this guy has to fight in a day.

[1087] For me, by this point, by the time I get here, it's, it's, it's, it's just an autopilot.

[1088] It knows what to do.

[1089] I could, I just stand there, and it's just, you know, I'm not hungry.

[1090] You can see it in your eyes.

[1091] Yeah, I'm just like, that's the battle.

[1092] Your eyes are kind of sunken in.

[1093] Yeah, this is the battle right here.

[1094] And I just, I just went through that.

[1095] The fight's a bonus.

[1096] What do you think about the possibility of eliminating that?

[1097] Do you think that's ever possible to eliminate weight cutting?

[1098] Like, if they had more weight classes, they had hydration tests like they do in college for wrestling, do you think that they could do that?

[1099] Or at least make it more safe?

[1100] I mean, that's, everything is really.

[1101] like it's it's all an individual choice but if they invented it now see like you can try but people are still going to try to beat the system but that's what I'm saying I'm saying like imagine if you just weighed in and what you weighed in and you fought like you weigh one oh yeah that would be one and it would be the best right yeah that would be great and if someone came along and said I got an idea how about you pretend you're 170 and you get down to 170 you'll almost get on death's door 24 hours before the fight and then you could rehydrate you're like what the fuck are you talking about why would I do that That would weaken me. That's like saying, why don't you go out and party the night before.

[1102] But you'll rehydrate.

[1103] Yeah.

[1104] Don't worry.

[1105] We'll just drink some tequila.

[1106] Tequila's clean.

[1107] That's the excuse now.

[1108] There's like, oh, it's plant -based.

[1109] It's plant -based.

[1110] It's plant -based.

[1111] It's plant -based.

[1112] It comes from a plant, so it's healthy.

[1113] It's good for you.

[1114] Yeah.

[1115] I just think it's the dumbest thing.

[1116] I think it makes me angry that we haven't come up with a solution.

[1117] I think it's the culture, you know, it was the culture that...

[1118] For wrestling, it's certainly the culture.

[1119] Yeah, so it's...

[1120] But, yeah, I wouldn't mind.

[1121] Like, I've, you know, you compete against those guys, you know, and I'm, you know, I wrestle with them, and I train with them, and I'm bigger guys to where it's not that big of a problem.

[1122] Do you see how much weight Alex Pereira is cutting before he fights is he?

[1123] No, how big is he?

[1124] I know he's big.

[1125] He was over 220.

[1126] What?

[1127] Yeah.

[1128] Over 220.

[1129] with 9 % body fat.

[1130] I think he weighed 2 .26?

[1131] 232 a couple weeks ago.

[1132] 3 weeks ago.

[1133] 2 .32.

[1134] So he's got three months to cut 47.

[1135] 100 % he's going to do it.

[1136] Ask you.

[1137] You're like, yeah, I can do that shit.

[1138] Yeah, that's a four -day process.

[1139] He's a big fella.

[1140] He's very big.

[1141] Yeah, he's actually, I knew a middle weight that was bigger.

[1142] You remember Caesar for hair?

[1143] Yeah.

[1144] Oh, yeah.

[1145] Caesar was a, like, he looked like a complete.

[1146] God, yeah, Mutantia.

[1147] He's big, he looked like a Greek god, he's tall, and he just, he cut a lot of weight.

[1148] At one point he got to 170.

[1149] Oh my God, that's right, he did.

[1150] Jesus Christ, look at the abs on that motherfucker.

[1151] Damn.

[1152] At one point he got to 170, I was just like, holy shit, how?

[1153] Yeah, it's hard to believe.

[1154] Well, he was Vitor's guy, right?

[1155] Yeah.

[1156] Yeah, that guy was too big for the weight class.

[1157] So there's a point of diminishing returns, right?

[1158] when you cut too much weight and then you never really fight at 100 % because you're always weakened by the weight cut?

[1159] Yeah.

[1160] Because I know one championship is they've implemented some sort of hydration strategy that apparently didn't go well during the last way -ins.

[1161] There's a bunch of people that like missed hydration and missed weight and oh and by the way shout out to Demetrius Mighty Mouse Johnson.

[1162] I know.

[1163] I was going to say that.

[1164] Still doing it.

[1165] Still doing it.

[1166] What a savage.

[1167] The world title over at one.

[1168] I mean, he's got to be.

[1169] How old is Mighty Mouse at this point in the game?

[1170] 36, I think, maybe.

[1171] He is one of the greatest of all time.

[1172] That guy is so fucking talented.

[1173] So talented.

[1174] And the way he set that knee up, the way he hits him with the right hand and there's like a pause, not yet, not yet.

[1175] Boom!

[1176] Lands it perfectly.

[1177] He's another fighter that intelligently is one of the best.

[1178] When he was at the top in the flyweight division in the UFC, he would, you would see guys trying to solve this puzzle of this guy who's here and then he teleports to here and then he's kneeing you in the body and then he's over here and then he's got your back.

[1179] Boom.

[1180] Perfect timing in that.

[1181] And then walks off.

[1182] See you.

[1183] Look at that.

[1184] Hit some with the right hand.

[1185] Bing.

[1186] I got you.

[1187] Look how he splits out.

[1188] I got you.

[1189] I know that's over.

[1190] He just knew just by the way the impact is like, there's no way you're getting out.

[1191] Look at the size difference, though.

[1192] Look at how big the other guy were compared to him.

[1193] But they're fighting 135 now, you know, because he's not weight.

[1194] He's never going to fight 125 again, he said.

[1195] So their fly weight is 135.

[1196] And their idea is move everybody up 10 pounds, move, you know, create more weight class opportunities for these people.

[1197] Look at how he did this.

[1198] It's just this timing and his awareness.

[1199] I mean, and this is the guy who's been at the top of the game for a long time now.

[1200] You know, you go back to that first fight that he beat Sohudo.

[1201] I mean, come on, man. Look at that.

[1202] Oh.

[1203] Perfect.

[1204] In the air.

[1205] Mighty mouse.

[1206] He's one of the greatest, you know, even clip to me is that when he did the Ray Borg.

[1207] That was such a ninja move.

[1208] Catches an arm bar in mid -air.

[1209] In mid -air while he's slamming him catches the arm bar.

[1210] And he said, I practice that all the time.

[1211] I'm like, you imagine being his fucking train.

[1212] trading partner you're getting suplexed and armbard on the way down like fuck could you imagine me doing that oh my god well that was something that dc here it is let's take a look at this look he hooks it as he's going down i mean that is incredible the timing on that it's just pristine he had so many great fights that the finish was just as good as the celebration you know they don't talk about him they don't bring him up man it's just really weird like the UFC doesn't promote him anymore.

[1213] Like now that he's gone and he goes to another organization.

[1214] But it's still the fights that he had, the UFC, like when they show that whole, you know, that when they play The Who, they have that music and they have that compilation.

[1215] How the fuck do you not have Mighty Mouse in that?

[1216] Because he's no longer with the company.

[1217] I think when he's done from over there, I think they're, because UFC owns all those intellectual properties.

[1218] They own all of that.

[1219] So I think when he's done over there, where he can't give them shine over there anymore.

[1220] I think they'll start to bring it out because he's...

[1221] Is he not in the Hall of Fame?

[1222] Not now.

[1223] Not now.

[1224] He's fighting for a different organization.

[1225] Whatever.

[1226] It's in politics, but I think that he's done, absolutely.

[1227] In my world, that doesn't make any sense.

[1228] You've got to recognize that.

[1229] For sure.

[1230] The guy's one of the greatest champions ever, ever.

[1231] He's one of the best.

[1232] When he was at the top, man, he was like untouchable.

[1233] It was wild how he'd watch him move.

[1234] Like his footwork and his positioning was so good.

[1235] And he could do everything.

[1236] He could submit you.

[1237] He could knock you out.

[1238] He could tune you up on the feet.

[1239] He could take you down at will.

[1240] The one time, the one time I bet against him was when he fought Dodson the first time.

[1241] I think John Donson.

[1242] Because I had known John Dotson from season 14 on the Ultimate Fighter.

[1243] And John Donson was like a little ninja.

[1244] He's a physical freak.

[1245] A ball of energy.

[1246] And he's got power in his hand for guys.

[1247] that size.

[1248] I'm like this guy could probably touch DJ and then I just watch DJ do what he does.

[1249] I was like yeah I think he was that good he was that good and that's also like one of those examples with there's a few of those examples we have this real wizard trainer who has the star pupil and then you get to see like how good that trainer is because there's an athlete that's good enough to represent that guy's understanding of the sport And that's like Matt Hume and him That's that kind of relationship that they've always had Oh yeah And there are coaches like that And I think I mean you see that With Trevor And how he's able to handle me And with three different guys Me Justin and Rose I mean You know Does an amazing job Yeah I still to this day I think Rose is Some of the things that she can do Is amazing What did you think about that last fight I mean not her best obviously what does she think about that fight like what did she I mean she wrote something apologizing about it but like why did she fight like that like what was that I don't know I mean you never really know but I think she's for her now I think she's in a place where she's made peace with it to where I'm just I'm over it you know I'm over it I don't even want to think about it I made peace with it you know so I don't know what she's thinking as far as a future whether she wants to fight again or whether she doesn't want to fight again you know I would be sad if she doesn't fight again because so she may not fight anything I don't know you never know what she's thinking I mean she's she's such a she's so talented I mean she can do anything have you ever watched the play the piano yeah I was just going to bring that up anything she can play the piano she can go back to school and and she's smart she's intelligent so she can do and she can do anything that she wants to do she certainly could I don't know I I would be bummed if she doesn't fight again, but, you know, she's got to end sometime, though.

[1250] I mean, if it ends now, it sucks that it ends on that fight.

[1251] That's what sucks, because it's not like it ends on the Yonah fight, what she caoed her, or when she caoed Jean -Wea -Lee, you know, to lose on that fight where it was so perplexing.

[1252] Like, it didn't make any sense.

[1253] Like, no one was engaging.

[1254] Yeah.

[1255] It was just weird.

[1256] I would love to see her get that one back.

[1257] But I think they already announced that Carla's fighting.

[1258] She's going to fight Jean -Wea -Lie.

[1259] Which is, I mean, that would be sad to watch.

[1260] Let's say Jean -Willy goes and takes the title from Carla.

[1261] That would be sad to watch her walk around with the title when, you know, Rose has bested her twice.

[1262] The second fight was close.

[1263] It was close.

[1264] Second fight was a very good fight.

[1265] The first fight, that head kick was brilliant.

[1266] God damn, that was beautiful.

[1267] I didn't even, you didn't even see it.

[1268] Yeah.

[1269] And even, even, um, what's her name?

[1270] Even Jean -Weillie didn't even, she thought it was going to be an inside kick.

[1271] Sean Way -Lee is no fucking joke.

[1272] That lady is a monster.

[1273] When you're watching her knock out, Ewanah like that with a spinning bag fest, I was like, Jesus.

[1274] It was tough because, you know, I like Yowana too.

[1275] I do, too.

[1276] And Yowna had her, and that's the thing.

[1277] This sport changes so fast.

[1278] So fast.

[1279] We forget that Yona went on a run.

[1280] She was just defending, defending, defending.

[1281] When she had, like, what, five title defenses or something like that?

[1282] Five or six.

[1283] She was just defending the belt, and she was the boogey, boogey man. You know, I know everyone was.

[1284] And when she beat Carla, when she bloodied up Carla and battered her, Jesus Christ, she was good.

[1285] Yeah.

[1286] She was so good.

[1287] So it was a tough one to watch, but, you know, there's, you can just see how deep now the women are getting.

[1288] You know, you have Jean, Lee, you have Joanna, you have Rose, you know, you have Jessica and Drogh.

[1289] Like, those weight classes get deeper and deeper, and you have younger girls now that are coming on, you know, Miranda Maver, you have what is that, Macy, Barbara, you have a, you know, a couple of these girls that are getting better and better in there.

[1290] And some of those fights, like Juliana Pena and Amanda Nunes, it's one of the best title fights I've ever seen in my fucking life.

[1291] That shit was wild.

[1292] Did you see that, did you see those two little girls they were they might have been I think one was like 19 and the other one was maybe 20 one was Mexican one was Brazilian they were both like Juliania I think so how long ago was this it was literally like two three three weeks ago they fought on the card in Vegas what card was that it was that wild one and they had the the the African can fight that Nate the train guy That wild fight It was like back -to -back fight It was the two girls Did you say that scrap?

[1293] Yes I did watch it on TV That was an Apex Center fight Yeah Apex Center fight And oh man What fights But that's what people want Yeah People want to see the blood People want to see the back and forth This guy's hurt They come back And that guy's heard And they come back But when you're just dominating People don't want to watch that People like They kind of do too They like all of it They like a dominant champion who just kills everybody and then they like back and forth scraps okay then look at that israel fight why does israel get flag because people are dumb that's why this is why if you want to fight jared cannoneer you better fight in that way yeah because jared canoneer will knock you into the fucking next dimension like that guy is a huge 185 yeah who has ruthless knockout power he was knocking people out at heavy weight knocking people out at light heavy weight and knocking people down Dead at 185.

[1294] If you want to fight Jared Cannoneer, you've got to fight that way.

[1295] That's my same criticism of people that were saying that Wonderboy, when Tyrone Woodley fought Wonderboy, that he fought him wrong.

[1296] Like, no, he's the only guy who fought him right.

[1297] You have to fight him that way.

[1298] You've got to make him come to you and then counter him.

[1299] You cannot be involved in a chasing down one of the best counterstrikers that's ever competed in the Walterweight Division.

[1300] You can't fucking do that.

[1301] That's a way to lose your title.

[1302] If you want to fight the right way, you fight the way Tyron did.

[1303] beat him twice yeah but people don't people like oh no that because they wanted to see tyrant hurt yeah and him battle back and then wonder boy hurt and him battle back and that's just it's it's crazy it's people it's i feel like people are trying to still bring keep it a blood sport they want to keep it that it's just the casuals man it's the people that don't understand the actual events that are taking place when is he's setting uh jared up and he's moving and and out pointing him and striking him Look, if Jared wanted to get wild and crazy, Izzy probably would have knocked him out.

[1304] But Jared fought the way he should have fought, and Izzy fought the way he should have fought, and the better man won.

[1305] And that's what prize fighting is all about.

[1306] That's what it's about.

[1307] Absolutely.

[1308] If you want to, like, ruin your brain for a bunch of people that don't give a fuck about you when you lose.

[1309] Exactly.

[1310] Good luck.

[1311] Go try that.

[1312] It's a dumb way to live your life.

[1313] It's a dumb way to live your life.

[1314] You're supposed to fight the correct way.

[1315] And sometimes it's exciting Like the Polo Costa fight That shit's exciting The first Robert Whitaker fight That shit's exciting But this is the same problem That Anderson Silva had When Anderson was in his prime Is that like some guys would fight him In a very cautious way And people would say Well he should have pushed the action No that's not what you do Yeah You don't open yourself up Just because the other guy's not doing anything Or turn into a brawl Because people are booing That's dumb Trevor Trevor touches on that and Trevor and I he said that to me the first between the first time I fought Massvedal right after the fight because I remember I was just so mad at myself because I felt that I could have done better I dominated the whole fight you know but I was just like no that guy wasn't as good as I I made it up to be in my head no no way I want to fight him again and Trevor and I was just I was upset with myself backstage and I was just I was upset with myself backstage and And Trevor was like, bro, you're the fucking champion.

[1316] You have to be the smart one here because it took a lot of work for you to get here to the title.

[1317] And it takes a lot of work to be able to defend this title.

[1318] You have to be the smarter guy.

[1319] And I heard every word that he said.

[1320] But the dark Kermit, the gangster in me was like, Dark Kermit!

[1321] The gangster me was like, no, I got to go again.

[1322] I need to do what I did.

[1323] That second fight to Massadol.

[1324] I got to do that.

[1325] That's what I want.

[1326] That's what the people want.

[1327] That's what has to happen.

[1328] And I think this is partially why the first Coventon fight was the most satisfying one to me. And it's weird because I actually, I like both guys.

[1329] I do like Coventon and I do like Massifthal.

[1330] People would be surprised you say you like Covington.

[1331] After all those.

[1332] I mean, as a person, I've never hung out with him as a person.

[1333] so I wouldn't know how he is as a person.

[1334] I know I've heard rumors, but, you know, because how he is, his energy is with other people might not be how his energy is towards my energy.

[1335] You know, so until I experience that, it's hard for me to speak on it.

[1336] But, you know, as an athlete, as a competitor and what he brings to the table, like I'm almost kind of like low -key, a fan, not really, you know, but I admire what they're able to do.

[1337] For you to talk that much shit and get your face broken to and still talk more shit after, like that takes, you know, a different person.

[1338] Well, it's been brilliant marketing for him.

[1339] Oh, yeah, for sure.

[1340] And you know the whole story.

[1341] He created that kind of character when the UFC was pushing him out.

[1342] Yeah.

[1343] They were saying, you're boring.

[1344] You got to get out of here.

[1345] And he was like, well, how about I try this?

[1346] Yeah.

[1347] And nothing changed with this fighting style.

[1348] He was always that dominant.

[1349] Yeah.

[1350] He was always doing that to guys.

[1351] And it's just now he's got that stick behind him.

[1352] And it works.

[1353] So more power to him.

[1354] Greetings nerds and virgins You gotta fucking admire it It's funny man I've hung out with him in real life At the comedy store Yeah he came to the comedy store one night He's a super nice guy He's like a super nice guy Polite real friendly to people Yeah He's just not that guy at all But it's like he's like look I had to do what I had to do And he was explaining it And he's like they were gonna cut me They told me they were gonna cut me And he's like I didn't know what to do It's like I'm just gonna start talking crazy shit Yeah And that's what he did For me though the difference is is i mean he's a single guy i don't i don't know if he has kids or not but i i do and like for me to have to my daughter now she watches everything she asks questions like for me to have to explain that to her right that is not how daddy really is is the act i that i that i don't think i don't want to do that well it's not your personality anyway it's like you don't and also you don't have to like yeah you don't have to you dominated him despite that it's like you know There's people that they come up with a shtick, and you see, like, sticks are valuable.

[1355] I mean, look, Sugar Sean O'Malley is a wild guy to watch fight.

[1356] He's very talented.

[1357] Yeah.

[1358] But part of why O'Malley's so popular is he's smart about his marketing.

[1359] He talks a lot of crazy shit.

[1360] He's got crazy colored hair.

[1361] He's got all these tattoos, smokes a lot of weed, plays video games all the time, puts it all out online, puts all this content online.

[1362] So there's way more eyeballs on.

[1363] any of his fights.

[1364] Then they would be with, you know, like a regular guy.

[1365] Yeah.

[1366] No, I like him too.

[1367] And yeah, that's the one thing that I noticed is he was very keen to that early in his career to where he is able to do that.

[1368] Because there's some killers out there that don't get their shine.

[1369] Like Rockmanov, Schofcott, Rockmanoff, that guy's a fucking killer.

[1370] Yeah.

[1371] And nobody's talking about him.

[1372] You know, but then you've got certain people in that weight class like, who talks crazy shit.

[1373] I kill them all.

[1374] I kid everybody.

[1375] And, like, everybody wants to pay attention to it.

[1376] Not bad, right?

[1377] Yeah, everyone.

[1378] I mean, there's another tough, what's in that?

[1379] Sean Brady.

[1380] Oh, Sean Brady's a bad motherfucker.

[1381] Yeah, tough kid in the division.

[1382] He's an excellent grappler.

[1383] You know, there's a lot of good guys.

[1384] Jeff Neal.

[1385] Oh, yeah.

[1386] Jeff Neal's back.

[1387] Jeff Neal's back.

[1388] That was big, man. Knocking out Vicente Lucke.

[1389] That was big.

[1390] That was big.

[1391] That's big.

[1392] That was hard to watch, too.

[1393] You're a training partner with Vicente.

[1394] I love both guys.

[1395] I've actually trained with both guys.

[1396] But Vicente, I trained with for a long time, Vicente is like a brother to me, too.

[1397] And watching that was just, that one was really tough.

[1398] It was bittersweet, right?

[1399] Oh, yeah.

[1400] It's also, for me, it's nice to see Jeff Neal back in form.

[1401] Because I was, Jeff Neal, like, when he knocked out Mike Perry, I was saying, that guy is the dark horse of division.

[1402] Like, he is so technical.

[1403] and so clean and the way he lands and strikes is so efficient and like he's someone to watch and then he had a rough time for a while like where it didn't really and he had some personal issues and it seemed like he kind of lost his focus but now it looks like it's 100 % back yeah and he's calling who was he called someone out or was it Coventon or was it Burns or someone he called someone out I don't know who it was and I was like yeah that's not a bad fight so is it Gilbert is scheduled to fight someone right I don't think so why did I hear I know they were he was having Massadol was going back and forth that's right that fight and that isn't a great fight I think that's a great fight yeah I don't know if that's that's for sure because I I'm hearing now like all this week they were saying oh Massadol is pushing to to fight Leon Edwards for the title I'm like that doesn't really make sense but files Leon I'd be like where have you been you punched me in the face four or five years ago I think that, oh, that's what it was.

[1404] It's him and D .C. got into it.

[1405] They were going back and forth because I think D .C., I think he called for the Massadol fight and saying, oh, he will.

[1406] I think they asked Leon, would you fight Massifengal?

[1407] And Leon's like, I mean, yeah, the opportunity is it.

[1408] But, you know, I've been wanting to fight this guy for three years.

[1409] And he just ignored me and said that I was a nobody.

[1410] But now out of the woodwork, he wants to fight me. And then I think D .C. had commented and said, if I was Leon, I would just completely ignore it, this guy, because that's what he did to you.

[1411] He ignored you when he could have fought you.

[1412] You guys were both in a certain situation where you could fight each other, but now that, you know, you are the champion.

[1413] He wants another crack at the bell, so he, of course, he wants to fight you now.

[1414] And so I think that's what Massoudal in his camp got upset with, and they started going at D .C. And D .C. did the most savage shit, I think, to do.

[1415] and he posted a picture of his titles stacked up.

[1416] I remember saying I was just like, well, the argument's over.

[1417] You can't really say shit to that.

[1418] I mean, I think he had like seven world titles just all stacked up on the table.

[1419] And he posted a picture of it.

[1420] I was like, yeah, I mean, you can't argue back with that.

[1421] And he's got his Hall of Fame jacket.

[1422] You can't argue with that.

[1423] Those guys that are so close.

[1424] Yeah.

[1425] They're so close.

[1426] And Masfadol is one of those guys It's so close Masfadol So close Coventon Yep So close Wonder boy So close Yep Perfect examples There it is Oh shit That's just savage Those are the old school belts too Do you like the old ones Or the new ones?

[1427] New ones Do you have an old one too?

[1428] No You got the one it was the new I was the first one Oh really Yeah The first Walterway I think Henry Sehudo Was the first guy to get it And I think I fought after Henry Sehudo I look at the old one now, and it looks kind of cheesy.

[1429] Yeah.

[1430] I used to think the new one, like, what is this?

[1431] Yeah, that's exactly how change.

[1432] What is this new thing?

[1433] Exactly how I felt.

[1434] But now I look at the new one, I'm like, that's a better looking belt.

[1435] Oh, yeah, 100%.

[1436] And just the different elements that are in the belt.

[1437] Everybody get a jewel?

[1438] Yeah.

[1439] For each time you defend your title?

[1440] I'm wondering what are they going to do when I get the belt back.

[1441] Do they give me a new belt?

[1442] Maybe you get one different kind of jewel that's in there.

[1443] You get one gray jewel Like Now they're all red There are the rubies Right Like do I Get an opal Yeah All rubies and something Well this one's kind of fucked up But But because of it got better You know It's hard for me Because I You know I like A lot of guys Yeah And sometimes two guys I like Like Leon a lot He's great He's a fantastic guy Yeah So it's hard When you watch A guy you like beat another guy you like it puts you in that that weird place yeah you know Habib and and Michael Johnson well that was a tough one because Mike was my guy I was my training partner but I liked Habib too and I like being around him out of his step because he thinks you know like he's the same on the same experience like mental how he thinks and how he approaches the fights and I'm just like yeah this guy's it's going to be hard to deal with and then watching him fight Michael Johnson and it's just like oh man that was a tough one to watch Habib said he wouldn't even come back for a grappling match did you see that they offered him money to grapple and he's like nope why he's done and I think the fact that would continue if he's anything like me the fact that people are continuing to ask him makes it easier for him not to come back would if let's go the what if bucket would if Charles Olivera beats Islam Akachev Yeah.

[1444] What happens then?

[1445] Then he fights.

[1446] What if he submits him and he calls out Khabib?

[1447] He calls him out.

[1448] He makes it easier for Khabibb to say, no. First of all, I don't think he gets down to 155 ever again.

[1449] Really?

[1450] No way in hell.

[1451] He's a light heavy weight.

[1452] No way in hell he gets down to one.

[1453] And he's a solid light heavy weight.

[1454] Like he's holding down light heavy weights and submitting him.

[1455] Really?

[1456] He's a bear.

[1457] He's like a short, stocky bear right now.

[1458] Yeah, there's no way he gets back down to 155.

[1459] How did he gain so much weight?

[1460] I think he just let his body grow into it.

[1461] You know, you hold it down for so long.

[1462] And then when you let go, it just grows.

[1463] Like, look at Anthony Johnson.

[1464] He was making 170.

[1465] And then he went up to heavy weight.

[1466] And he's knocking people dead.

[1467] Yeah.

[1468] He just let it.

[1469] He was solid there, too.

[1470] So, you know, I think it's just you, once you let your body go, it just grows.

[1471] How is rumble doing?

[1472] Because I heard he had a health scare Yeah, he had a health scare And he has good days and bad days But he's still there We don't know You know, maybe They're saying maybe From the years of maybe weight cuts And you know Other different things And then you know I don't want to speculate on it Because I didn't know the whole file Of everything But I know he has good days And then some days He has some bad weeks That motherfucker hit so hard Anthony Johnson He was one of the purest athletes i've ever seen because he had the feet of a lightweight and the power of a heavyway and he carried it all the way through so it's you know i i pray for him and i hope he he gets better how long is he been dealing with this over a year because i know he fought in bellator won in bellator had that great come from behind victory yeah and then it just and then he just happened when he knocked out Glover de Shera with one punch I was like god damn did you see the tooth fly yes that I mean that's that's the scary power and I had to spar him I sparring him a few times a video of me sparring Anthony a few times and Anthony is one of those guys that doesn't go soft he doesn't know how to go soft and his big ass would wear 14 ounce gloves too at sparring and it It was like, and I remember we'd complain, we'd tell Henry, like, why is he wearing 14 hours gloves?

[1473] He should be wearing 20s.

[1474] Like, there's no way he should be wearing 14s.

[1475] But he's like, yeah, I'm just going to touch.

[1476] I'm just going to touch with you.

[1477] Put the fuck out of here?

[1478] No, he doesn't touch.

[1479] He's touching you with canned hamps.

[1480] Yeah.

[1481] Oh, yeah.

[1482] Fucking giant hammers for fists.

[1483] Yeah.

[1484] He hit so hard, man. He was just such a dangerous guy.

[1485] Because any mistake you make, it just takes one from him.

[1486] Yeah.

[1487] I mean, he knocked out everyone.

[1488] He was knocking out.

[1489] He knocked out Gustafsson.

[1490] Yep.

[1491] Oh, my God.

[1492] Yeah, in Sweden.

[1493] In Sweden.

[1494] Which, you know, we love to do that.

[1495] We love to go into someone's country and...

[1496] Like England.

[1497] In silence.

[1498] Yeah, like England.

[1499] Is that what you're looking forward to?

[1500] I'm looking forward to.

[1501] I'm...

[1502] It's almost like a new, it's a new challenge.

[1503] It's almost like a new thing now for me to get excited about.

[1504] Before it was you, now you got to to make up things.

[1505] Oh, you're fighting Salt Lake City against Leon Edwards.

[1506] You've already fought.

[1507] You beat.

[1508] Okay.

[1509] How to get excited for it?

[1510] Now this one's exciting.

[1511] There's a lot of state now.

[1512] Now you're fighting for the belt.

[1513] Now you're in their country, which honestly, I think I'm going to have more fans in this country than he will.

[1514] I mean, and that's no, that's no knock on Leon.

[1515] You know, I like Leon.

[1516] I really do.

[1517] Half of England is Africa.

[1518] You know, and I have, there's a lot of Nigerians in England, a lot of Nigerians.

[1519] And he knows that, a lot of Nigerians, a lot of Jamaicans, but I think I will be well represented in England.

[1520] Do you think there's more Nigerians than there are Jamaicans?

[1521] I don't know, but I would think so.

[1522] I would think there's more West Africans than there are, which Jamaicans are West Africans.

[1523] Yeah.

[1524] You know, I would think.

[1525] But also, he lives there.

[1526] Yeah.

[1527] And he's the first champion that really.

[1528] trained his entire career there.

[1529] True, but I don't think, and I don't think he's been getting the love that he should have been getting.

[1530] Well, up and, yeah, you know, there was that problem with the two years where, you know, during the pandemic and the fight, fights canceled.

[1531] You don't think he's getting the love now?

[1532] He won the title and got to the airport.

[1533] I think he was told maybe 20 people there.

[1534] Really?

[1535] He should have had a parade.

[1536] I would have thought there would have been a bigger reception.

[1537] Exactly.

[1538] Especially the way he won.

[1539] Exactly.

[1540] I would have thought that too but it was like 20 people there his family really I would have thought he had a part like you have a purport they have to shut down the airport it should be Leon Edwards Day it should be you just got the title from Kamara Usman it should be Leon Edwards Day yeah you know so you know more I mean I hope he does get it but you know to do something that he's that to do what he's done what he just did to come from where he's come from and and stay in England and yeah And I don't care how he did it.

[1541] He did it.

[1542] Yeah.

[1543] You know, I would, that's kudos to him.

[1544] And what he stands for, you know, that victory because he's, now he's intertwined with the inner city and helping kids and, you know, stay out of the gang life and things of that nature.

[1545] So it's commendable.

[1546] And I, and I'm glad for him for what that, you know, being able to achieve that.

[1547] You know, but in my head, it's not like I feel like I'm a loser.

[1548] I know I'm the best in the world and when given that opportunity again I will prove that but I'm glad he's you know getting the things and doing what he's doing right now that's a great attitude that's a great attitude as long as you get that second shot yeah absolutely I mean there's no logical fight one am I going to beat up Covington again right masford all again like what is there's no logical other fight for you no for him the only fight that would make any sense marketing -wise, I could see you could say the Mazvedal fight.

[1549] If you couldn't fight in time and they offered him a headline of fight and Mazvedal took it, I kind of could see where that would, maybe.

[1550] But I don't think they would risk the rematch.

[1551] Even with that, I would give it to Coventon first.

[1552] If we're going to be logical about the order of things.

[1553] Right.

[1554] I would give it to, but if we just don't give a shit, we don't care, then yeah.

[1555] I don't think they give a shit.

[1556] I think they're just trying to make the most amount of money.

[1557] I think so, too.

[1558] What can you sell the most?

[1559] For sure, you and him are the biggest fight.

[1560] Absolutely.

[1561] For sure.

[1562] In England?

[1563] Absolutely.

[1564] For the title or the legitimate?

[1565] Because that makes sense legitimately for the title.

[1566] So, yeah.

[1567] That's the legitimate fight.

[1568] Especially because you're one of the most dominant champions ever.

[1569] And so for you to lose that way and then to rematch for the title in England.

[1570] that shit is going to be bonkers I'm going over there bitches I'm flying to England I told John Anwick I would right after the fight I'm fucking going I'm fucking going We gotta go we have to go to England Let's go to England Let's go to England Let's do it back Wembley Stadium that is going to be wild If not Wemblee Some other stadium They gotta find And I know Dana said we're looking at all options here Because people are going to come from All over the world I think that that might sell out in 15 minutes Yeah that might sell out quick And then they'll probably have some big fights on the undercard, too, because that's going to be a big one.

[1571] That's a big coming -out party for the UK.

[1572] Yeah.

[1573] Big UFC -U -F -U -K fight.

[1574] Did even when Bisping was champion, no, he lost it on the first defense, wasn't it?

[1575] Didn't he fight Dan Henderson over there?

[1576] I think he defended against Henderson.

[1577] No, I don't think that was for a title because I don't think Dan Henderson's ever fought for a title.

[1578] I think he did.

[1579] Did he?

[1580] Yeah.

[1581] I think he beat Henderson for the title.

[1582] I think that was the rematch, right?

[1583] Is that true?

[1584] Manchester, England.

[1585] Yeah.

[1586] Bisping versus Henderson, too, was for October 8, 2016, Manchester Arena.

[1587] But was that after he won the title?

[1588] I think it was.

[1589] I think he lost the...

[1590] I think he won the title in 2015, if I remember correctly.

[1591] World World War II.

[1592] Yeah, it was.

[1593] World Middleweight championship.

[1594] Yeah.

[1595] So that was for the title.

[1596] Okay.

[1597] Henderson fought for the title twice because he fought for the title twice, Anderson, too.

[1598] Remember Anderson, lit him up at her Christmas tree.

[1599] Anderson?

[1600] Really?

[1601] Bro, that was prime time.

[1602] Super Ninja Anderson.

[1603] Yes.

[1604] Yeah, pull up Anderson versus Dan Henderson.

[1605] Bro.

[1606] Where was I for that?

[1607] Bro.

[1608] Anderson was on fire.

[1609] This was when Anderson was in its fucking full prime.

[1610] Oh, yeah, you could tell.

[1611] You could tell.

[1612] Oh.

[1613] That's the thing that Anderson, when he starts doing this bop and this hot.

[1614] Yeah, the shuffle him, moving back and forth.

[1615] He was so good.

[1616] And reckless, too.

[1617] Oh, my God, he had full regard for his chin, full confidence in his chin.

[1618] He actually wound up strangling Henderson.

[1619] He beat his ass, and then when he got him on the ground, he took his back and strangled him.

[1620] Yeah.

[1621] But it's because he heard him on the feet.

[1622] Look, he did.

[1623] Well, he stood right in front of you and let you swing punches at him because he had so much confidence in his ability to take a shot, too.

[1624] That was Dan Anderson.

[1625] his shot to you.

[1626] I know.

[1627] Dan Henderson was scary.

[1628] He was another guy.

[1629] I mean, he knocked out Fador.

[1630] Dan Henderson knocked out Fador.

[1631] Who was a fucking heavy way.

[1632] Yeah.

[1633] Which is so crazy.

[1634] So he gets his back.

[1635] And then he went like bone of the forearm across the trachea.

[1636] So he went like Gable Grip behind the back.

[1637] See?

[1638] Like there.

[1639] That's how he gets it.

[1640] Right there.

[1641] So he wound up finishing it palm to palm like that.

[1642] Right there.

[1643] Damn.

[1644] You got him.

[1645] That was prime Anderson.

[1646] People forget.

[1647] People who are fans who didn't become a fan until recently, go back and watch the Anderson Silver era.

[1648] Oh, yeah.

[1649] Because when he knocked out Vito with that front kick to the face, nobody was front kicking people in the face before that.

[1650] And then it became a thing.

[1651] Yeah.

[1652] Like, he changed M .MA.

[1653] That, and then Machita did it.

[1654] Yep.

[1655] Machita did it with Randy Couture.

[1656] And then quite a few people who done it since then Marlon Vera did it with Frankie Edgar.

[1657] Marlon.

[1658] Michael Chandler did it to Ferguson.

[1659] Oh, that one was crazy.

[1660] That one was crazy.

[1661] See the close -up of Ferguson's face.

[1662] Those close -ups of him and Frankie while the foot is on the face.

[1663] Those are terrible.

[1664] Don't show those.

[1665] This doesn't mean.

[1666] Nobody should see those fucking pictures, man. Imagine your kids have to see you look like some elf.

[1667] That's the world we live in now.

[1668] You know, fucking miserable people are going to, they close up that picture and they save it as their avatar.

[1669] Oh, they do.

[1670] And then they text you all day.

[1671] Oh, yeah.

[1672] They send you DMs all day with your face.

[1673] Oh, fucked up.

[1674] These motherfuckers.

[1675] Yeah, I've gotten a few of those.

[1676] The funniest meme that I've seen was the Rick James.

[1677] And remember the Dave Chappelle show?

[1678] Yeah.

[1679] When Charlie Murphy's story, when he's talking about how he kicked Rick James in the chest.

[1680] I saw that and they said this was what Leon said to Usman.

[1681] And, oh, I died.

[1682] I died laughing.

[1683] It was hilarious.

[1684] There's some funny people out there, man. Funny haters.

[1685] They're quick.

[1686] They're quick.

[1687] They're so quick.

[1688] The night of fights, like that night, the memes are out of control.

[1689] They're on the computer.

[1690] They're waiting.

[1691] They're waiting.

[1692] Oh, it's happened.

[1693] There we go.

[1694] Yeah.

[1695] That kind of energy.

[1696] But you feel like, I almost feel like I get the fact that you're getting a lot of laughs.

[1697] But you don't know how talented you are.

[1698] Like, if you can come up with something.

[1699] like this, you, you should be like a professional.

[1700] Yeah.

[1701] This should be what you do for a living.

[1702] Like, you're really funny.

[1703] They're good with it.

[1704] They're really good with it.

[1705] Really good.

[1706] Scary good.

[1707] Well, I think with MMAs, the highs are so high and the lows are so low.

[1708] And they know the lows are so low.

[1709] So they go after you when you're down.

[1710] They're like, oh, he used to be on, he used to be shredded on top of the cage, flexing.

[1711] And now he's out cold.

[1712] Oh, I can't wait.

[1713] Yeah.

[1714] Let me brush off.

[1715] off my meme fingers.

[1716] And it's some guy, some fat guys in front of his cats.

[1717] Like, oh, yeah.

[1718] Knocking the Cheeto dust off.

[1719] But that's the thing is I would say the biggest, the biggest thing that I've learned, the way I've grown the most is not being affected by that.

[1720] That's good.

[1721] That's much.

[1722] Yeah.

[1723] You know, not, it's, it's almost impossible to say I'm not going to be affected at all.

[1724] Yeah.

[1725] But with that, not being affected.

[1726] The thing is to just avoid it.

[1727] This is the advice I give to fire but it's also the advice I give it to comedians too.

[1728] You don't want to be reading mean shit.

[1729] Yeah, because you can't respond to it.

[1730] Yeah, no, no, no. You want to, like, respond.

[1731] You can't respond.

[1732] You're like, hey, fuck you too.

[1733] You want to, but you can't.

[1734] So, what are you going to do?

[1735] You're going to read something that you can't respond to?

[1736] For what?

[1737] What information are you getting out of that?

[1738] Nothing.

[1739] Don't you know human nature?

[1740] Yeah.

[1741] You know, by the time you reach 30 years old, don't you fucking understand people?

[1742] Kind of.

[1743] Yeah.

[1744] Well, no, there's going to be people out there.

[1745] They're just, like, they're anonymous, and they just want to hate on you.

[1746] Don't take that in.

[1747] No, I, that's the biggest thing is, I'm, it's like, you gotta let, that's their job.

[1748] Yeah.

[1749] That's their, their job is to fuck with you.

[1750] Yeah, it's their, that is their job.

[1751] Your job is to be great.

[1752] And yes, their job is to fuck.

[1753] If you're doing your job, they're just, they're like, fuck.

[1754] They don't have shit.

[1755] What do I do?

[1756] I'm just waiting, I'm waiting for my moment.

[1757] I'm waiting for my moment.

[1758] You know, and that's all they do.

[1759] If you're doing their job, then they go after Mazvedol.

[1760] Yeah.

[1761] Like when you knocked out Mazvedol, then they're, They poke fun at him.

[1762] Oh, man, they said some, and I didn't even, same thing, I didn't really even read, the one meme that, well, it wasn't really a meme.

[1763] It was, well, yeah, it was a meme.

[1764] It was, the one that I saw and I actually liked is Massvedar did this interview where he was like, he was saying something to me. He was saying like, oh, Ushman just doesn't possess.

[1765] God didn't bless him with the machoness to be able to put someone to sleep.

[1766] and he said that and why he was saying that and they had like the split screen they had the video of me just sleep in him and that one I was like that was such a clean punch too and to land it on a guy like Mazvedal who's such a crafty striker he's so skillful we set him up and that was the thing with Trevor is it's such a mastermind is how we set him up and just delivered and I did the same thing in the first round that I did in the second the same setup and how I got him there but it was just he was expecting something different in the second and he just didn't it was just I just sent the missile to his head and he didn't even see it based on how I set him up such a perfect punch you know and I wanted to I wanted to do that again look at that but Leon Ever said nope so somewhere around February you think February March anyway I don't care I'll be ready I was bored last week I wanted to I was so bored I wanted to train I wanted to do something maybe you could use this at a time to go get them needs shot up with stem cells somewhere I'm doing it all I'm gonna get a shot up when we leave here I'm going to go to Columbia go to like bioaccelerator you know go to one of those places where they could do illegal shit yeah well I don't want illegal shit it's not you heard him I didn't say it illegal in terms of cheating I mean the amount of stem cells they can pump in you yeah That's what that's yeah I have gone to Columbia have you was yeah that was uh maybe four five years ago I went to oh maybe now maybe get back there no for sure stem cells for sure I'm gonna do stem cells again um definitely just try to prolong this as much as possible you know and I'm doing everything I can you know I'm trying to spend the time and money on my recovery you know making sure that I'm I'm healthy I'm warmed up before and stretching after and getting some physical therapy some body work done so i'm doing it all and of course it supplements you know as far as the you know turmeric and the ginger and the different things that the natural herbs that you can put in your body to help reduce those inflammations i'm doing and you know i used to say oh man maybe a couple more fights than i'm done but you know with the newfound hunger that leon has sparked it's like we'll do this for a free do this a little bit more how long do you think how long do you think if you had a guess i would say i don't know i would this is this was my roadmap it was what was the road map my roadmap was beat leon in the way that i wanted to and go to 205 beat year a prohaska defend with yon come back down defend with hamza Jesus and then if Connor wanted to or if Canelo at that point wanted to then do one and just sell off and just say you know what why did you want to go all the way to light heavyweight just because Israel's at 85 yeah Israel's at 85 I don't want to you know that I don't take any pleasure in fight in Israel of course but No one else at 85, like if Israel retired?

[1767] Yeah, if Israel retired 100%.

[1768] Because 205 is a big jump.

[1769] It's a big jump, but I think I have this style, and I have the mental ability to be able to handle those guys.

[1770] Well, not those guys.

[1771] I don't want to say those guys.

[1772] Not everybody there.

[1773] A couple of those guys.

[1774] A couple of those guys, and they happen to be the guys that are at the top.

[1775] So I think Yeah, I think I could deal with Yuri and I could deal with the Yon You know, not saying they're not great They're scary, they're fucking big scary guys Which is kind of what makes it Also tempting for me Because they are scary It's like you get to a certain point Where you're looking for new scary things to do To kind of, you know Keep you alive Keep you motivated So now you have a new roadmap though Yeah, I have a new roadmap But it's still similar Now that's a road map Let's imagine you go back.

[1776] Now I got to run Leon back.

[1777] I got to run that one back.

[1778] Let's imagine that fight takes place.

[1779] You win the world title back.

[1780] Yeah.

[1781] Do you think, what do you think happens after that?

[1782] Well, we have to see what happens with Hansa and Nate Diaz.

[1783] I don't know.

[1784] You can't sleep on Nate Diaz.

[1785] No, absolutely not.

[1786] You can't.

[1787] But it's just, it's kind of like a fight.

[1788] It's a bizarre fight.

[1789] It's a bizarre fight.

[1790] It's a bizarre fight.

[1791] It doesn't really make sense.

[1792] Well, Nate asked for Francis and Gano.

[1793] I know.

[1794] That's more bizarre.

[1795] That's more bizarre.

[1796] You know, what if I would, if I was dating, I was, okay, you want that, fine.

[1797] Francis, you want it?

[1798] All right, let's do it.

[1799] Nate, what do you weigh?

[1800] He weighs 180.

[1801] Well, he's only giving up 80 pounds.

[1802] What's the big deal?

[1803] Yeah, I, I, yeah, that's ridiculous.

[1804] It's bizarre, but that's Nate, we'll see, it's Nate.

[1805] He's a wild fellow.

[1806] And you can't count him out.

[1807] But, I mean, even after that, I still think, you know, it's hard to just say, Hamza, you got to jump.

[1808] Gilbert Burns.

[1809] You jump Masvedal.

[1810] You jump.

[1811] Well, he beat Gilbert, but seeing him versus Mazvedal.

[1812] Mosvedal.

[1813] Now, that fight I could get behind more than maybe even the Nate fight.

[1814] Mazvedal versus Hamzad.

[1815] Ooh, I like that fight a lot.

[1816] I like that fight a lot.

[1817] That's interesting.

[1818] I think what's more interesting is him versus Coventon.

[1819] Hamzot versus Covington is very interesting.

[1820] That's the ultimate test.

[1821] Because Coventon does everything.

[1822] For lack of a better word, and by no disrespect, with all due respect, I mean no disrespect, Coventon.

[1823] You can say no disrespect because you beat him twice.

[1824] With respect, I think, yeah, like, it's Coventon.

[1825] You've got to get past Coventon.

[1826] Most people have said before the Leon fight that if it wasn't for you, he would be the champion of the road.

[1827] I agree.

[1828] He's that good.

[1829] Yeah, I think so, I agree He's got so much endurance, man It's wild And he weaponizes it Yeah, he pushes a fucking crazy pace And you saw it in the The Woodley fight was one of the best examples Yeah Like he just put it on But even that fight He didn't really push the pace He didn't push He didn't push As he could do it more With yeah with Woodley Think about Woodley And Robbie Lawler Which I love Robbie too But look at the pace that he put on Yeah Oh my God He threw over I think he set the record for most punches thrown in that fight like just kept throwing punches kept taking them down just kept doing DC says he's always been like that he says he's always had this crazy gas tank it's like a genetic thing yeah I've heard he I mean I'm disciplined I think genetic but I think a lot of it goes to the discipline yes you know because a lot of people now they get gas they don't necessarily know they can deal with it yeah in their mind they feel like they can't and they get tired you know because they don't push themselves in a certain way but I do think it's mental how he's mentally embraced it and pushed and pushed and pushed himself because for me that's what it is I don't run you know I do all the different things I roll and I bike and I do what I can to try to get that that same thing but it's not the same as running you know but the running is the ultimate cardio for me I I love running it's to where it's running is so so good to where you there's even a thing called Runners High, you know, and I've felt that a few times because I ran cross -country when I was in middle school, and that's why I really developed a passion for running.

[1830] You know, running, nothing, when you're running and you just get in that zone and you're just going, it's a different feeling.

[1831] Maybe when you're done fighting, they'll give you some new knees.

[1832] Yeah, definitely.

[1833] Screw in some of them new jammies.

[1834] I'm definitely getting new ones.

[1835] If they don't weigh me down for sure, I'm definitely getting new ones.

[1836] Oh, they're going to have new ones by a time.

[1837] you're done that are probably way better than the ones I even have now you know like I told you Matt Sarah just got his knees done and you said your mom did and my mom did she got her knees done yeah yeah it's uh it's pretty wild now you're seeing people walk around with fake knees and they have no pain bisping bisping's got both both of his knees done really yeah yeah bisping has two fake knees I did not know that yeah yeah yeah he knocks on him like tap tap tap tap they sound weird wow yeah he runs now bisping runs he kicks the bag everything these new knees are wild like I just, just me, yeah, I know.

[1838] Cringe, just thinking about that.

[1839] Well, they say they're going to have to replace them in 20 years, but, I mean, but they were going to have to do something new in 20 years anyway, if you're going to work out.

[1840] With the evolution of man, just the way that we're changing things and growing things.

[1841] Yeah, of course.

[1842] I think also biologics are going to advance to a point where they're going to be able to regenerate tissue in a way that they're not going to have to replace your knee.

[1843] Oh, yeah.

[1844] They're just going to be able to regenerate all that cartilage tissue and meniscus.

[1845] Have you seen that printer that is printing, printing, Anything?

[1846] Yes.

[1847] That's wild.

[1848] That's scary.

[1849] It's crazy.

[1850] That's super scary.

[1851] They're going to be able to replace your arm one day.

[1852] Like you lose an arm in a car accident that just replace your arm.

[1853] That's like in Star Wars.

[1854] Yeah.

[1855] It's coming.

[1856] Yeah.

[1857] Hurry up now.

[1858] Well, listen, Kamaro, you are a fantastic representative of everything that's excellent about mixed martial arts.

[1859] You really are.

[1860] Your character, the way you win, the way you lose, the way you discipline yourself, the way you fucking, you're just always on top of everything, man. And I love the way you've handled this, the loss, and, you know, it's like you handle, you're a champion in victory, just like you're a champion in defeat.

[1861] You really are.

[1862] You handled it great.

[1863] Thank you, Joe.

[1864] And I can't wait.

[1865] See that rematch.

[1866] I can't wait either.

[1867] It's going to be amazing.

[1868] Leon, I'll see you soon.

[1869] All right.

[1870] Thank you, brother.

[1871] Thanks for being here.

[1872] Bye, everybody.