#351 - Georges St. Pierre

[0] The Joe Rogan experience.

[1] Oh, you cut out the Nick Diaz part.

[2] I see what you did.

[3] Very, very smart.

[4] There was a thing that Nick Diaz had a quote.

[5] He's like, you know, Train by Day, Joe Rogan podcast by night all day.

[6] Do you not hate him now?

[7] Folks are just listening to this.

[8] George St. Pierre is our guest, and he's the UFC Welterweight champion in the world.

[9] Just recently defended his title against Nick Diaz.

[10] Are you cool with Nick now?

[11] it seemed like you guys were complimentary after the fight I'm cool with him I don't know if he's cool with me I'm like I'm alright I'm cool with everybody that dude turns everything into a personal affair right yes he does does that ever get to you when guys shit talk to you because you're like if people didn't know you all right if the average person did not know what you do besides the look you know that you're physically strong they would never think that you're a fighter you're a very friendly guy you're very like easy to I've seen you interact with a lot of different people over many years.

[12] You're very easygoing.

[13] Very, very nice to get along with.

[14] Yeah, I don't want to be, I don't want to look like a fighter when you talk to me, let's say on the phone.

[15] I want to look like a normal human being.

[16] Right.

[17] Of course, yeah.

[18] That's a little bit, the impression that people have sometimes.

[19] Well, you're not just a nice guy.

[20] You're like, you're honest about your own vulnerabilities, which I've always found fascinating.

[21] Like, you talk about what makes you scared.

[22] You talk about what you're worried about.

[23] Like, you know, like, even this Nick Deans about you, you're like, I am scared because I don't.

[24] want to lose to this guy.

[25] Like, there's a lot of people who never admit that.

[26] Yeah, but it makes you, I think it makes you stronger to admit that you're scared because you're not scared to say that you're scared.

[27] Right.

[28] Someone who doesn't admit it because he's scared, to admit that he's scared.

[29] He's scared of himself.

[30] Scared of what people are going to think about him.

[31] I'm not scared what people are going to think.

[32] They have to see me as I am.

[33] So I'm not scared to admit that I'm scared.

[34] And it's almost like when you don't admit you're scared.

[35] It's like you're protecting yourself from evolving.

[36] Because the only way you can ever be realistic about a situation, get better at anything in life, is you've got to accurately address what's happening.

[37] True.

[38] 100%, you know.

[39] There's some people that don't do that.

[40] And I think that cuts them off from a certain amount of progress in life.

[41] I think there's a certain, there's like walls that you put up yourself because you're not willing to look at your own failures.

[42] A hundred percent.

[43] You're not honest with yourself.

[44] Yeah.

[45] So that's what it is a little bit.

[46] yeah so admitting you're you're afraid is like so what bitch yeah i'm afraid that's what you know what you know what as much as i'm afraid i'm going to make that walk the day of the day of the day of the the day of it and i'm going to do it regardless and it sounds more crazy i would be more afraid of a guy that says i'm like who says like i'm afraid but you know what i'm going to still do it and i don't care if i'm afraid bring it i'll do it like this is sound crazy to me more than the guy said oh no no no I'm not afraid because this guy is a lie.

[47] He's afraid to say that he's afraid.

[48] Right.

[49] Like, man, you know what I mean?

[50] To me, like personally, that's what it is.

[51] Yeah, the posturing and posing.

[52] It's unnecessary.

[53] Exactly.

[54] But you are afraid of aliens, though, right?

[55] Yeah, I'm afraid of a lot of things.

[56] Does it true you have like a path mapped out in your house, how to get out if the aliens show up?

[57] No. No?

[58] That's the rumor, man. That's what I heard.

[59] I heard you have a plan because I know you like to use game plans So I figured you've had an alien...

[60] I know karate and I know Jiu -Jitsu So the alien show up I put a triangle truck on him And I also have a katana, a Japanese katana So if they come, I can slice them apart Wow, do you keep a sword in your house?

[61] Yes, I have.

[62] It's a collection, you know, it's for me You better not bring any crazy bitches home Ah man, it's a sword and crazy bitches I have this axe saw on the side of my bed I'd always forget is there.

[63] I almost cut my finger off all the time.

[64] Yeah, you should put that in the garage, son.

[65] Fuck this drop.

[66] It's like this big sword slash meat cleaver that it's just awesome.

[67] So do you really have a fear of aliens or is this just a bullshit rumor?

[68] Because didn't you do a countdown show and you did a whole thing talking about how you're being scared of being abducted by aliens?

[69] Yeah, I'm scared.

[70] I'm scared of a lot of thing, you know.

[71] But that's a specific one.

[72] I'll get into it.

[73] I can't talk about it right now.

[74] You can't talk about it right now?

[75] It's one day I'm going to come out and make a big thing about it, but no. Are they in the room right now?

[76] Yeah.

[77] Have you had an experience with aliens?

[78] No, no, no, no, no. I don't believe you.

[79] I don't believe you.

[80] I don't know.

[81] I don't know.

[82] You might have had an experience with you.

[83] My manager is going to have a heart attack right now.

[84] Listen, my brother, I would never do or lead you down any path that's bad for your career.

[85] Just as you said that it's good to be afraid, it's also good to be honest about everything, even shit that sounds crazy.

[86] No, no, no, no, there's a thing.

[87] I'm honest.

[88] I'm honest.

[89] I'm afraid.

[90] But I don't have to tell everything on the public.

[91] It's true.

[92] You don't.

[93] But, you know.

[94] Did you have sex with an alien?

[95] Because you're a smart guy.

[96] Let me tell you, you're a very smart guy.

[97] You know how to dig into people's mind.

[98] And as much I like you, I hate that about you.

[99] because he put me on that spot right now but he's a very smart guy but no no I can't go too deep and listen if I was on an alien spacecraft and I had sex with an alien like I'm assuming you did I feel like I would just come out and talk about it I don't know why you would hold that back no but I mean something happened George I don't know it's either I'm crazy or maybe it really happened but I hope that I'm crazy I don't think you're crazy I hope I am I could be crazy You know some people There's some great mind You know They have been hallucinating stuff Some people are How do you say maniacal depressive Some people are OCD Some people are this Some people are that And they're still They've been able to Achieve great stuff In their life You know So maybe I'm crazy Who knows I don't know I hope I'm crazy Well are these experiences I can help you In one way Are these experiences Happing at night I am not sure.

[100] I'm not sure.

[101] Have any of these experiences happen while you've been in a dream state or where you have just been dreaming or just asleep and you were woken up?

[102] I am not sure that I had experience.

[103] I don't know.

[104] I don't remember anything.

[105] But it was there was nighttime type things.

[106] Was it nighttime when you think you might have had something happened to you?

[107] I can't say something happened to me. I have no proof.

[108] I just don't know.

[109] What I'm going to tell you about is your brain produces a chemical while you're sleeping.

[110] But I'm going to tell you something and I'm going to be honest about it.

[111] Sometimes I'm looking at the clock and it's like I wake up and I look at the clock right after and it's like the clock advance like a four hour or two hours.

[112] There's a time zone that I don't remember what happened.

[113] It's called falling asleep.

[114] I hope so.

[115] What do you think?

[116] You think you're getting snatched up and taken away for a couple hours?

[117] No, I think maybe I fall of sleep.

[118] That's why I hope.

[119] That's why I hope.

[120] Or I can drive.

[121] I can drive my car.

[122] I can drive my car.

[123] And it already happened.

[124] I drove my car.

[125] What, you were sleeping?

[126] I don't know.

[127] I drove my car in a normal day.

[128] Like going somewhere.

[129] Then I look and it's two hour pass.

[130] I'm like two hour I just pass like this.

[131] Like maybe I didn't see.

[132] Maybe I didn't, I didn't, I didn't.

[133] Maybe I watched the wrong time, like I watched my clock and I made a mistake myself.

[134] Right.

[135] Most likely, right?

[136] Yes, of course.

[137] I hope so.

[138] Well, that's very minor stuff.

[139] That's very minor stuff.

[140] Yeah.

[141] But that could be you're being tired because you push yourself and a lot of stress.

[142] It's exactly what I hope so.

[143] It's exactly what I hope so.

[144] But you don't have any memories of great dudes putting fingers up your butt.

[145] No, I don't.

[146] None of that.

[147] I've had a Joe where you're driving down the street like on the highway and you're just like kind of dazed out.

[148] And you're like, wait, how long I've been, I've, I've been dazed out for like 20 minutes.

[149] What have I been doing for 20 minutes?

[150] You could totally go to autopilot, yeah.

[151] And then, like, you just realize, like, almost all of a sudden you're home.

[152] Yeah.

[153] But the thing about being exhausted and sleep, you know, having these experiences at night, there's a chemical your brain makes that's one of the most powerful psychedelic drugs known to man. So one of the things they're trying to connect, it's called DMT.

[154] And one of the things they're trying to connect is people having.

[155] near -death experiences and people that have had UFO alien abduction type experiences and this chemical and that they can introduce this chemical into the human body and these people have very similar experiences to what they had when they had a UFO encounter or when they had a white light near -death experience encounter and it's most likely there's this chemical that's doing this so when people having these experiences they're very realistic and they do believe they're being taken aboard by you know a UFO somewhere they might not be wrong but this is not a UFO encounter the UFO it's unidentified a firefighting object this the encounter you talk about that if they've been taking a board this is this different it could be a third type encounter there's many ways but this is different yeah but I the you talk about me I don't have any I don't have any memory of such thing but the thing I don't like I have like you say sometimes I fall I fall asleep then I wake up is the the time passed and I'm like well You know, it's like I...

[156] But that's just because you're tired, man. That's not aliens.

[157] Yeah, no, no. But are you worried?

[158] You like, man, maybe it's aliens.

[159] Is that what you do?

[160] No, it's because I, I feel like I didn't fall asleep and I'm not tired.

[161] I'm wide awake awake.

[162] But I fall asleep like this and it's kind of, I mean, it's kind of weird.

[163] Are these on hard sparring days?

[164] No?

[165] No?

[166] Just a normal day?

[167] Like, it could happen every day.

[168] You just get a GoPro, like a camera and just record yourself all the time.

[169] And then when you ever think that happens, watch.

[170] I mean, those things record for like eight hours at a time, some of them.

[171] Yeah.

[172] How long has this been going on?

[173] Says I'm a kid.

[174] Wow.

[175] Wouldn't it be crazy if the aliens, like, manufactured you to be a mixed martial arts fighter?

[176] They're like, let's see if we could just turn this.

[177] I'm sure if it would have happened, I would have been much better than this.

[178] Much better than this.

[179] You're the fucking champion.

[180] Yeah, but if I would be alien manufacturer, I would be Superman, you know?

[181] Well, they just won't want to get ridiculous with it.

[182] It would be, yeah, that would be obvious.

[183] Like, you can't turn a guy into a goddamn superhero.

[184] Maybe they manufacture Anderson Silva, John Jones.

[185] Maybe they did Rosaldo.

[186] Maybe someone needs to talk to them about their sleep patterns.

[187] Maybe they're falling asleep behind the wheel, too, and being sucked aboard a spaceship for repairs.

[188] Maybe they don't want to talk about it.

[189] Maybe they don't say it, but maybe they are, I don't know.

[190] I don't know.

[191] I'm there pretending.

[192] I think it's funny, though, that that's maybe one subject that you have a, You had a really hard time talking about that.

[193] I do, because it's...

[194] Because it sounds crazy.

[195] Yes, and I will talk about it one day.

[196] I'm going to talk about my fear, all that stuff.

[197] But now I don't get deep into this.

[198] Yeah, maybe they just...

[199] But I promise one day I'll talk about stuff.

[200] But it's not what people think.

[201] You promise one day?

[202] Yeah, I'll promise one day.

[203] What's that?

[204] There is no tomorrow.

[205] Didn't you see Rocky 3 when Apollo Creed says that to Rocky Bellbone?

[206] It's true.

[207] Maybe I'll die one day.

[208] Maybe I'll die tomorrow.

[209] I hope I touch wood and not.

[210] And I'm like, oh.

[211] How did you say that?

[212] Was that French?

[213] I touch wood not.

[214] Is that what you said?

[215] Like I touched the wood like you say when you don't want it happened, you know?

[216] Yeah, just let it go.

[217] Just whatever information you got, spill it.

[218] No, but I don't know.

[219] I'm doing my, I'm doing my own research.

[220] I'm researching on myself.

[221] Like you say, that's the thing that you just told me. It's very interesting.

[222] The chemical that buddy products.

[223] That's part that I'm happy that I meet you today and you tell.

[224] that about me because I make me happy.

[225] Yeah, it'll make you think like, I think a lot of people think they're going crazy and it's not, it's just, your brain makes psychedelic drugs.

[226] It's true.

[227] Your brain produces and parts your liver and your lungs, they don't know why this stuff is in the body, but it's a super potent psychedelic.

[228] Your brain makes it and it happens when you're sleeping.

[229] So if like, the speculation is that it happens during REM sleep, I don't think they have the most accurate way of measuring it, but they know it's in the body and they believe it's the theory is that it comes out during periods of heavy stress or when your body thinks it's going to die or in REM sleep and those are the times that you have higher levels of this stuff in your neurochemical soup that's interesting it's crazy why would your brain produce an incredibly potent psychedelic drug so a lot of people that are having these nighttime experiences could be just varying levels of this chemical that's going around in your brain but that doesn't mean that these experiences aren't real.

[230] We don't know what the fuck sleeping is anyway.

[231] I mean, what is sleeping?

[232] You shut your eyes, you shut off, you don't exist in this plane, and your consciousness goes somewhere else.

[233] Like, literally, you have no memory of a giant chunk of your day, and we have no problem with it, and yet we don't connect it to any other realm or the idea of there being other dimensions.

[234] You go into another dimension when you go to sleep, okay?

[235] You do.

[236] You just shut off, you stop.

[237] And for all intents and purposes, you are in another dimension.

[238] And if one, you're While you're in that other dimension, your brain is being pumped with this psychedelic chemical that when you take it, when you're sober, makes you have these incredible experiences.

[239] It only seems to, it just seems like a normal thing to look into it.

[240] Like, people should be looking into that.

[241] Like, what is, what is happening when you're sleeping?

[242] You're sleeping, you go away.

[243] And everybody's just so used to it.

[244] They're like, no big deal.

[245] We just go away.

[246] Just go away for eight hours a day.

[247] You know, everybody's scared to die and no one's scared to fall asleep.

[248] you're just shutting off man you know you're going to be back so you're not worried but you're shutting off whatever that is you know is just accepted if sleeping didn't exist it would be the craziest fucking thing if all of a sudden you told people that they had to shut off for eight hours a night and just completely not be aware they'd be like what are you talking about i got to shut off they're like yeah you're going to shut off for eight hours a night and you're not going to know what's happening people can touch your balls while you're sleeping you'll have no way of stopping them there's a lot of things can happen that the truth is like you say we don't know we don't know we don't know what the fuck that is i could i could like you know like you say it's something that i'm afraid to be crazy it's just i i i i can say whatever the hell i want and we don't know maybe you know what i mean we don't know we don't know the truth we don't have no idea yeah somebody might be stealing time from you they might be stealing time like this motherfucker's got too much time i i i the truth is i feel like i had experience but i don't know what it is so for me to say it's alien or say it's the drug chemical you talk about i don't know i can't tell you right now i don't know what it is but i did i felt like it could have been an experience or not maybe i felt maybe i'm crazy and it's the normal thing that everybody goes like maybe i but right now i like i don't know it's too i'm making my own research to found out about that how are you researching when i research a lot of stuff uh documentaries and things and uh go on the internet now it's another thing that you just said to me i'm going to research that maybe i researched on the wrong Maybe I research things that people have tried because that lapse of time that you don't remember, some people have been hypnotized and they have a bad, you know what I mean, bad adventure.

[249] And I don't want being baptized because I'm scared of it.

[250] Well, that's very controversial.

[251] You know, what's happening during hypnosis, hypnotic regression, it's very controversial because there's a lot of people that believe that you can introduce fake memories into a person while they're unconscious.

[252] And then you could, you know, you could steer the events in what.

[253] one way or another and introduce false memories it's not it's not very it's not very reliable i don't think so that's one of the big things about these people that have these crazy stories from hypnotic regression like what the fuck is really going on you know you don't know a lot of times people that are in therapy in the first place are a little wound up of course of course so it's that those are the type of people that you're you're dealing with you're hypnotizing them and then you're finding out about these nutty experiences with aliens who knows what the fuck you're really but i'm gonna tell you It's like Socrates used to say, you take a fish in the water, okay?

[254] And the fish, he lives in his environment.

[255] Let's say a fisherman, he grab a fish in the water.

[256] He pulls it off the water, look at him, make the fish look around, and drop the fish back in the water.

[257] The fish after, he's going to go back to his friend, and he's going to tell the other fish, he said, man, I built out of the water, and it was, people were breeding air.

[258] It was another environment.

[259] I saw a human being, you know, like a man grabbing me, I saw trees, I saw a bird in the sky, I saw like a sun, I'm like, I see a different thing in different universe, and then he put me back.

[260] The other fish will think he's completely insane, you know, and it's normal.

[261] So maybe, in a way, we're all like fish, and maybe there is something, like you said, like when you see another universe or another well or something, and we don't know, and we're right next to it, but we don't know.

[262] And if, that's what I'm doing research, I want to see, you know, I want to grow as a human being, find what was the truth, even though I probably will never find out the truth.

[263] And then I want to get closer, closer, and find my own research, see what's happening, you know, and we're all in the same pattern, you know.

[264] You know what I think the problem with people wanting to find the truth is there is no truth.

[265] There are truths.

[266] I think there is no one truth.

[267] And everyone is like, someday I hope to find the truth.

[268] Like, what are you talking about?

[269] It's not one thing.

[270] there's truths there's a lot of information there's a lot of stuff and to call it the truth like to figure out the whole big thing that's almost impossible for our brains to grasp like an ant doesn't know what a cell phone tower is it's it's almost impossible for our brains to grasp the enormity of you know going from protons and cells and an animal and a planet and a galaxy and a universe and multiple universes and it's not it's too much there's no way you're going to be able to take all the things that are going in all over the world and understand it all and understand the pieces that it falls into it's not possible so this whole thing where it was like I'm going to hopefully find the truth you will find truths you will never find the truth because you're a monkey we're not we're not smart enough we're not that we're not we're being birthed into a whole new universe of information that's never existed for any previous human beings and we're not designed for it we're not designed to process this we're designed to figure out where the deer going we're designed to figure out who do you want to fuck we're designed to think this guy he's probably going to take over my village this cunt and that's how we're designed and then within the last 10 ,000 years that has become you know watching like space documentaries and getting on the internet and it's too much there's no there's no way there's no way you you know exactly what's going on all over the world you'll go crazy yeah you don't have the time it will take a lot of time and still yeah to acclimate yeah i agree 100 % with that have you heard of like a lot of these guys like dan hardy did this going to peru and they take these ayahuasca ceremonies did you hear about that no you didn't hear about that um dan hardy did it again wait to get him on the podcast and talk to him about it but he said it changed his whole life and it's the same thing It's DMT.

[271] It's these Amazon Indians, they make it in a brew, and the active ingredient in this brew is DMT, and they have these ceremonies, and they all get together, and they'll play music, and this guy blows tobacco smoke in your face, and you drink this stuff, and an hour and 20 minutes later, they enter into the spirit world, have life -changing visions, the wildest physical manifestations of your imagination you could ever possibly think of and dream of.

[272] You can't even think about it.

[273] You can't even put it into words.

[274] And it's legal in Peru.

[275] You know, it's legal in parts of South America.

[276] So people are going down there.

[277] Americans are going down there on a regular basis and having these shamanic rituals, life -changing rituals.

[278] And it's all based on the same thing that comes out of your brain when you're dreaming.

[279] Yeah, yeah.

[280] Pretty nutty.

[281] Yeah, you could make you realize things.

[282] Like you say, learn about yourself, you know.

[283] Do you meditate?

[284] I wouldn't say meditate.

[285] visualizing yes visualizing yeah so with specific tasks in mind like like visualizing fight strategies and fights visualizing what I want in my life what you know where I wanted to be in 20 years I've tried to visualize where I could be what I want you know could be about fight could be about anything could be about my training and one hour what I'm going to do and you know about everything could be in business you know could be when I'm going to meet someone when I'm going to say or, you know, could be a lot of everything.

[286] Do you have very specific, like, goals like for your life?

[287] Do you have, like, things written down?

[288] Yes, I do.

[289] Do you write them down?

[290] Yeah, I have goals, yeah.

[291] Some I wrote it down, some I don't.

[292] But, yeah, I do.

[293] I do have a specific goal.

[294] I have goals for my career, but I have bigger goal than this, much bigger.

[295] Much bigger goal than your career.

[296] Yeah, like, for example.

[297] Are you going to be president in the world?

[298] No, no, but I want to be, for example, one of my goals, like, is to have a, to be married.

[299] I have a wife with at least five kids, four or five kids, minimum.

[300] Wow.

[301] One have a lot of kids.

[302] That's one of my goal, you know, that's my goal.

[303] And that's, I'm not there yet, but it's one of my goal, you know.

[304] I don't think you're going to have a problem finding a nice lady.

[305] Find a nice lady that I can get along with that's, you know.

[306] Well, I think you better off in Canada.

[307] Look up in Canada.

[308] Japan.

[309] That's what you need to say.

[310] Don't be trying to get these American jokes.

[311] They'll get mouthy, especially after you retire.

[312] Oh, look at you all retired and shit, getting fired.

[313] That's so funny.

[314] Do you have a clear timeline as to when you're going to discontinue your fighting career?

[315] No, I don't.

[316] I don't.

[317] I just, I didn't plan this.

[318] Now I'm focusing on my career right now.

[319] And I wanted to be the best what I do.

[320] And I want to be the guy that made the difference in the sport, you know, bring help the sport.

[321] F .C. grow and be more mainstream everywhere.

[322] Well, you've already done that just by being who you are, you know, by your personality.

[323] You know, your ability to just be a normal guy who just how happens to be one of the baddest motherfuckers on the planet.

[324] Yeah, but, you know, it still is a lot of, a lot of thing to do, you know.

[325] In some country, it's illegal, you know, I want to help.

[326] Sure, there's still a lot of work to do as far as the spread of MMA.

[327] Not just some countries, some states.

[328] It's still illegal in New York State.

[329] When I first start, yeah, and when I'm from my country, it was illegal in Canada, you know.

[330] It was not sanctioned and everything, so this I'm happy at least where I live now.

[331] It's good and it's very popular.

[332] Yeah, I watched your first fights, man. I watched you in the TKO organization.

[333] Yeah.

[334] Yeah, I watched all those, you know.

[335] I've always been a big, big fan of MMA, and I think that it's so important that there's all these other organizations going on, like, you know, like that MFC up in Canada.

[336] and it used to be strike force, and, you know, now this Bellator is doing really well.

[337] It's, like, so important to have a bunch of different outlets for guys to pursue their careers.

[338] But up in Canada, it was just like that TKO organization, right?

[339] Yeah, it was a couple more.

[340] Yeah, it was pretty much only the TKO.

[341] You guys fought in a ring?

[342] Yeah, it wasn't a ring back then, yeah.

[343] Yeah.

[344] What do you do?

[345] Some guys prefer the ring.

[346] What do you prefer?

[347] No, the cage.

[348] The cage?

[349] Yeah, the ring is not the environment.

[350] The cage is better.

[351] or I would rather do like, yeah, the cage is perfect.

[352] A circular, like octagon or a circular cage or even better than a ring would be like a platform where there is no walls.

[353] There is like a line, a line.

[354] No, no, you don't fall, but there is a line.

[355] And if you step across the line, they put you back.

[356] There is a line and then there is a bigger, so you don't fall, but it's a platform.

[357] I see what you're saying.

[358] They have that in the Super League, yeah, a little bit.

[359] Like wrestling?

[360] Like sumo?

[361] Yeah, kind of sumo, yeah, exactly.

[362] Yeah, that wouldn't be good, too.

[363] Yeah, that's not a bad idea.

[364] It's just a space consideration probably.

[365] Exactly, yeah, no, for sure, exactly.

[366] And they don't want some Brock Lesnar do just steamrolling someone right into the crowd.

[367] It's true, no, no, that would be out of court, but something, I think, like that.

[368] You know, I think they have, you know, the cage is pretty good, you know, it's a good surface.

[369] Yeah, the only objection that people have as fans is sometimes it makes the action a little hard.

[370] see if you're there you know watching it at home it's perfect i'm sure they could make a material which is like a window that could see through it like a plastic window which is so greasy and shit every time dudes would be like what if that daniel cromier frank meir fight happened true the whole thing would be just grease you wouldn't be able to see shit because they those guys pressed up against every spot on that cage but it's also girl mMA now and it could be like a car wash Like a girl in the MAMA car.

[371] No, it's true, but I'm sure there is.

[372] There's a lot of things I would have changed in the sport.

[373] First of all, the time is no time, no round.

[374] Right.

[375] I think seriously, I believe it's stupid the round.

[376] We want to see who's the best man. Let them fight, you know?

[377] 15 minutes or maybe 25 minutes for the championship.

[378] No round.

[379] Why the round?

[380] Why would try to be like boxing, you know?

[381] We're not boxers.

[382] They did round to be like boxing, to be accepted as a sport.

[383] Yeah, there would probably be a lot more finishes if there was no time.

[384] Yeah, of course.

[385] 100%.

[386] No round, you know, like, this is ridiculous.

[387] I mean, I like it.

[388] Me seriously, I...

[389] Do you think it's possible that the UFC, would you fight someone like that?

[390] 100%.

[391] Would you arrange that?

[392] Like, as a particular rule, like, maybe the UFC could do it in Russia or somewhere where they're gangster about it?

[393] Yeah, I would rather, like, I would rather fight in a rule like this.

[394] I think it would be more honest, like, who's the better man, let them fight, you know?

[395] See, that could have happened.

[396] in pride they did that in pride right with this in hoist crazy have a 90 -minute match with Sakaraba but I think that was like even then it was like that's that's when they used to be the real thing you know back in the day that's why I have so much respect for these guys Hoyce Coleman Dan Severn oh yeah this guy had a pioneer oh yeah the no no time limit pioneers I roll Howard yeah with those crazy glasses Joe Sondo yeah who else did yeah Joe Sond became like a fred itish he's in jail for gang rape oh my god really yeah Joe Sandoz is a part of a gang rape are you serious yeah apparently they arrested him for something else and got his DNA and connected it to a gang rape oh my years by yeah I'm wondering what happened to like somebody other guy like Harold I think he got arrested he's a Canadian when I was so much I was happy you know it's a Canadian guy I was like yeah let's kick ass you know everybody threw that crazy cartwheel kick.

[397] And Steve Jenham.

[398] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[399] That was good.

[400] That was a good fight, you know?

[401] Yeah, it was good, man. How about the boxer, Emerson with one gloves?

[402] Yeah, what was Jimerson?

[403] Art Jimerson.

[404] Yes, yes.

[405] Yeah, what was that about?

[406] Maybe he had a hurt hand or something.

[407] No, I think he was thinking more like he's going to grab with one end and swing with that.

[408] I don't know.

[409] Like, who knows, go true with their mind.

[410] But it was also back in the day.

[411] It was the real thing.

[412] It was the time where a little.

[413] I literally watched the fight back in a day and thought someone could die.

[414] You needed to have so much courage back in a day to step in the actor, much more than nowadays.

[415] Nowadays, you know, okay, before, it's no weight class, nothing.

[416] It was, like, unknown.

[417] It was unknown.

[418] I remember a fight, like, Norris against Pat Smith.

[419] Man, the guy had, you know, like, blood everywhere before they stop the fight.

[420] And you see a towel flying and he still didn't stop the fight.

[421] I'm like, this is one time you, this is the guy, the pioneer.

[422] You know, these guys, they were the real tough guy, you know what I mean?

[423] Yeah, there was no referee stopping.

[424] Yeah, no referee, no round, no athletic commission, no a wake class, no this, no that, no, hey.

[425] Do you see fights where fights get stopped quickly?

[426] Does that piss you off?

[427] Well, you know, it's to protect the, you know, the referee can make a mistake sometimes.

[428] And it missed me off.

[429] Yeah, it's sad to see when it's a mistake done.

[430] I think they try to be the best they could be.

[431] But like the, I can believe the round.

[432] I don't think round is a good idea.

[433] That's my opinion.

[434] Just round.

[435] Round, it's a bad idea, yeah.

[436] What about gloves?

[437] Some people think there should be no gloves.

[438] Some people think if you can knee a guy and elbow a guy and kick a guy.

[439] Like, why do you have covers on your knuckles?

[440] That's true.

[441] Could be an option.

[442] No glove.

[443] But there would be a lot of broken hands.

[444] But the problem is they would fight differently.

[445] Like, back in that, in Pancration, I wrote stuff that they used to hit a lot with the smash the end, you know?

[446] Yeah.

[447] Well, if you, you know, if you watch the old Boss Rutan days in Pancras, he figured out that he could throw punches.

[448] He pulls his hand way back.

[449] So instead of, like, slapping and like karate chop style, he was throwing punches.

[450] But he was doing it with his palm.

[451] Yeah.

[452] But the thing is, we wouldn't fight the same way we would fight now to preserve our body.

[453] Like, like, when I fought Nick Diaz, he was in a total position, I was punching.

[454] Like, if I would be a better hand, I would hit with my palm, you know what I mean?

[455] I wouldn't hit like the same way.

[456] I would have probably broke my hand or, you know.

[457] Yeah.

[458] I never had my hand broken, you know, I'm lucky, you know.

[459] But, you know, I would fight a different, different way.

[460] It would make it better also for all the grappling aspect.

[461] Yeah.

[462] I big fan of Brazilian Jitsu and wrestling.

[463] It would be better.

[464] It would be more realistic.

[465] I mean, I don't really understand.

[466] why they have a pad on the gloves.

[467] I mean, I think it's a...

[468] A hundred percent.

[469] If you don't have pads on your shins and you're kicking people in the face, like, come on, that's crazy.

[470] Like, you're going to pad little knuckles.

[471] And yeah, you can cut people more, but it also breaks your hand more.

[472] It's just, if you want to, if the sport, if you're trying to have it be realistic, it's almost like bad to allow people to wear gloves because it allows them to tee off and punch as hard as they can without worry about breaking their hands.

[473] 100%.

[474] 100 % is true.

[475] It's true.

[476] and I you know you could break your hand but you know you hit a guy with a good punch in the jaw you know burn a knuckle I don't think you will break your hand you know just doing karate you know care cushion they you know well people are also you know would punch much harder of course because the tape I don't think it's the glad I think it's the tape that hold the wrist so there is no movement in the wrist and everything all the impact makes it harder is more definitely that's why I believe you know yeah I think the hand wrap definitely aids the person's punching.

[477] But you also would be really cognizant of only punching with the first two knuckles, you know, because in boxing, you know, you're taught to punch and concentrate on those knuckles, but in reality, a lot of times when you're throwing combinations, you're hitting them with all parts of your hand.

[478] Whereas you're taught in karate, the idea of punching, you know, like a macawarra over and over and over again.

[479] It's to toughen these two knuckles.

[480] Jack Dempsey says is the third knuckle.

[481] The third knuckle?

[482] Yes, he was to punch with the third knuckle.

[483] And he was known for punching power.

[484] Yeah, he could punch very hard, Jack Dempsey.

[485] So he says it's the turn knuckle because he said the alignment of the body is better with a turn knuckle.

[486] Hmm, that's interesting.

[487] So maybe...

[488] Well, I wouldn't never argue with Jack Dempsey.

[489] But most people believe that it's the first two.

[490] No, no, I know.

[491] I can karate, same thing they teach.

[492] But Jack Dempsey, strangely, says the turt knuckle in the book.

[493] He says that.

[494] That guy was a fucking savage, huh?

[495] Yeah, he was like...

[496] Watch those old school fights.

[497] He would fight.

[498] He was much bigger than him.

[499] He was only about a buck.

[500] I think he was like 196 or something like that when he was the heavyweight champion he was fucking up those you know what I might be wrong I think actually Jack Dempsey was even lighter than that I think Jack Dempsey hold on a second let me pull it up I don't even think he was 196 Rocky Marciana which is really Marciano was 175 yeah what the fuck man there's certain dudes like that that just can hit so fucking hard yeah but they're open it they're they're they're open opponent was not as big as well you know now not now we're like monster like look like let's go you know it's crazy you know yeah it doesn't say his weight on his wikipedia it says his uh he was six foot marciano or demcy marciano was like one seventy five one and 180 marciano was yeah yeah i thought he was one eighty what marciano i remember i read it was an 180 not i don't think he was demcy was one ninety two that's crazy yeah it's like my size is my size fighting every white guy like brook lesnar holy shoot but they they had those little tiny ass gloves back that true they're just a little cover over the knuckles very little padding at all and it's probably just like a little horsehair in there as well wild wild do you pay attention to like old videos of like old fights do you ever watch like old boxing matches and see like like What guys like Dempsey had to go through?

[501] What guys like Jack Johnson had to go through?

[502] I watch a lot of stuff, you know?

[503] Like what I've been watching on the Internet recently is a lot of a lot of karate stuff.

[504] I'm really intrigued.

[505] Really?

[506] Yeah.

[507] Like the point karate guys, I think it's very underrated.

[508] Oh, yeah.

[509] Like there's a lot of very good fighters.

[510] They come from that.

[511] And I think it translates to MMA very well.

[512] Absolutely.

[513] Marciano was 188, apparently.

[514] The ability to move in and out really quickly, have you ever fought, have you fought in point tournaments before?

[515] I did, yeah.

[516] It's very frustrating.

[517] I'm from Kyokoshi and karate.

[518] It's not the same system, but I did point karate before, yeah.

[519] I fought only a few point karate tournaments, but I found them, I fought one really high -level guy, and he wins a lot of those point tournaments.

[520] It was so different from Taekwendo being, like, continuous fighting, to this being like, stop, you know, it was like, and it was really hard to fight that way.

[521] if you're not used to it.

[522] And I would just imagine the guy who's really good at lunging in and out like that.

[523] If you could teach them all the other aspects of MMA, that would be a big advantage.

[524] That's what I use for my takedown.

[525] The shoot, the people saw, is you're wrestling.

[526] There's nothing to do with my wrestling.

[527] My racing is once I get the leg, I finish the takedown.

[528] But how I get in and that's because of karate.

[529] People are like, no way, karate, no. And I'm like, yes, karate that allowed me to cut the distance and to take the people down.

[530] I have a very good single to the ball or very good the ball and very good penetration.

[531] Because of my leg, the way I do, and this timing, I get it from the karate.

[532] Wow.

[533] Yeah, that's pretty good.

[534] I wrestling too, but Karatee primary.

[535] Because before I started wrestling, I was Karatee guy, pure.

[536] And I just acclimate myself very well to wrestling and to wrestling for, especially for the mixed martial art. Wow, that's really interesting.

[537] Because I've always said that one of the best things about you is your ability to close the distance.

[538] Yeah, it's Karatee.

[539] That makes sense.

[540] Yeah.

[541] It totally makes sense.

[542] All my footwork pattern and everything is from Karatee.

[543] this is this what i get it from springing in like that you know the ability to cover that distance that's a huge advantage cover the descent and to not get hit is this very important right yeah and that is one of the cornerstones of those tournaments and and that style did you um have a hard time when you made a transition to moitai and mama style today today even my kicks are like more like karate guy you know i don't i do moitai but i my kick you know it's like printed inside my right it's hard to say like you're a taekwondo guy you you can kick but you will stay taekwondo like you know it's fine too you know the the best like i believe taekwondo is the best spinning back kick you have the best spinning back kick i ever seen in my entire life you know you're from taekwondo you know what i mean yeah and it's your background and you try to change your technique of your spinning by kick it will be the worst thing you could do you know what i mean so i i i try to learn to have stuff to my arsenal but i don't try to change my my thing you know right right yeah i um i still incorporate a lot of those techniques but i do more just regular moitai now than anything else because i think all those techniques like the spinning back kick and wheel kick for a guy like you that has like a strong karate background or a guy who picks things up really quickly that's you know those are good techniques to learn but like for everyday use it's hard to pull those things off unless you're doing it on a regular basis.

[544] Like, they become normal when you're fighting in Taekwondo tournaments and everybody's doing it.

[545] You're doing it every day.

[546] But in MMA, there's so many other fucking things.

[547] Like, to have the type of leg dexterity that you see, like, the top level Taekwondo guys have, it's so hard to have that along with wrestling, along with boxing, along with jujitsu.

[548] Like, how do you manage, like, all your different skill sets?

[549] Do you have, like, a, like, 20 % of your time goes to this 30 % goes to that like no no no it depends like like i give you an example right now last week i was doing for the the movie captain america the filming then now i'm doing the interview but every day i find time i go to freddie roach work on my boxing and this part of my like this time i'm on my boxing pretty much and when i'm going to go to new york for example because i have to go to New York for the book promo and stuff, I'm going to do my jih Tzu with John Dannar.

[550] I'm going to be doing jih Tzu.

[551] When I go back in Montreal, I mixed up everything, you know.

[552] But when I go to different places, I go, you know, I do my, like, specific things.

[553] And this is in between fights, so you don't have a fight scheduled.

[554] So now you're just in the skill development phase, is that what it is?

[555] Yeah, and that's where my training is fun, because I train for myself to get better and I try stuff.

[556] Like now, you see me, If I go roll with my friend, like at his academy, I roll.

[557] I try stuff that I would maybe not have the gusts to try a normal time because it's risky.

[558] So I try it.

[559] Oh, I get tap.

[560] And, you know, I tap and I laugh.

[561] Who cares?

[562] I tap.

[563] I don't care.

[564] Sometimes I tap him.

[565] Sometimes I get tapped.

[566] But when I train for a training camp, now I train for performance.

[567] So I have to perform.

[568] I cannot be beaten in training.

[569] It's always my confidence will be affected.

[570] So I try to perform.

[571] So that's when my training is not as fun as it is now.

[572] Right.

[573] Yeah, the ability to loosen up in training is very important when you're in the learning phase, right?

[574] Yes, yes.

[575] That's how you develop new techniques.

[576] And that is an ego issue, too, like with guys who are not that good at Jiu -Jitsu, like you see it a lot, like maybe like strikers, they don't want to roll because they don't like getting tapped.

[577] That's stupid.

[578] It doesn't mean anything you tap.

[579] It doesn't mean you're not as good as the other guy.

[580] It doesn't mean you play that game and you just get cut.

[581] So what?

[582] So what?

[583] I got.

[584] all the time I don't get at them you know it's a fascinating aspect of jiu -jitsu though that doesn't exist in other martial arts you know like if you was kickboxing spar a guy it's not as you know yeah it's like it's like you don't want to be knocked out but I mean it would be the same thing in a way let's say you you're a jit -soo guy and you do kickboxing with a guy but that guy will not knock y 'all he will let's say we'll do a combo that he will be like you would know like oh that right hand would have knocked me out if you know it's something jit too oh I would tap otherwise he would have break my arm you know it's a little same thing we don't hurt each other in Jitsu you can allow to go further without hurting each other and in kickboxing for example where it's striking it can be brain damage yeah that's the hardest is it or i should ask you is that the hardest place to find guys that you're comfortable with training with is in striking so you know that they're not trying to knock you out you know you like every day in the gym isn't a war a different i'm gonna tell you is i have many time people try to hurt me and i try to hurt you know like i have no choice you know i mean you know you know and when I first, you know, now it's different because of the notoriety I have.

[585] I can find place how I can go.

[586] I mean, training, it's training, you know, we still go hard.

[587] There is a smart way to train, of course.

[588] I don't try to hurt myself when I train and try to hurt people, you know.

[589] But of course, I say I'm training for a fight before a fight and we spark hard.

[590] If the guy, you see, you hurt the guy, you let him breathe.

[591] You don't go for the finish.

[592] But the thing is, for example, kick to the head.

[593] We control the kick to the head, things like that.

[594] You know, we don't do knees on to the head, the elbow, stuff like that.

[595] We don't do that.

[596] That.

[597] And this is important to have a good training partner like that, you know.

[598] Because sometimes you train with someone who's crazy.

[599] You're getting ready for a fight.

[600] It's a lot of money on the table.

[601] He's going to throw, true, true.

[602] Yeah, cut you or something like that you don't need, you know, to make a name for himself.

[603] So now when I'm people ask me, hey, why are you going to go train in my gym?

[604] It's because sometimes I go, because I go training in the gym, they know who I am.

[605] I'm George St. Pierre and they go, oh, I'm going to try to hurt him to make a gym.

[606] name from my say that sucks you know this I don't like it so they're very careful with why I train now it that's a bad side of it because they they other people try to take advantage and make the name you know and I don't like it you know I'm I like to try with different trade partner new guys and but now I have to be careful to do it I cannot do it you know have to you know I have to know I have to know where I'm going with tell the guy tell me oh this guy can go with him he's good you know I don't care that get tapped out or be dominated that's not what I care is care of being hurt you know or or injure, not be able to work.

[607] You know, it's a lot of money.

[608] When I have a fight, I have to cancel, it sucks.

[609] Yeah, there's always accidental injuries, but there's the injuries where you know a guy's trying to hurt you because he's trying to, that's got to be really annoying.

[610] There is guys that, how do you say, they always hurt people.

[611] Oh, no, I didn't mean it, but I like, why it always happened to you, man. Why I always happen to you?

[612] I've got in the gym in Montchal's like, when I bring my training partner here for, like I bring guys to train.

[613] from like my last training camp, bring guys to train for my training camp, to mimic Nick Diaz.

[614] I told these guys, I listen, there is this guy, this guy, you're not going to train with him.

[615] Because he's like, and they're all like, oh, why, why, why?

[616] It's like, because every time someone train with you, he happened on injury, he's like, yeah, but I don't mean it.

[617] I thought you don't mean him, but it's still happening, man. It's like, that's how you are, man. I've seen guys kicked out of gym for that.

[618] Of course, of course.

[619] But some guys, it's intentional.

[620] also guy it's not intentional but even if it's not intentional you could don't want to take that chance to do it you know what I mean I don't hurt people when me when I train find me a guy that I hurt in training it could have happened accidentally once in our very rare it's very rare it's very rare it's very rare I could if I wanted to I could but I don't hear I don't hear I don't hear hurt the people you know yeah you're there to train you know yes of course of course yeah there's uh there's a couple guys that I know that it's just people just won't train with this oh he just they just walk away yeah they'll get hurt.

[621] No thanks.

[622] Because, you know, the minute you're going to turn with them is going to be a fight.

[623] You know, it's going to be like a real fight.

[624] And I'm, you know, I fight, and I'm paid to fight, and I don't want to hurt myself in real life, you know.

[625] And I don't want to have to hurt something.

[626] I don't want to put myself in this situation.

[627] You put together a great camp now, though, man. You've got, you're going to so many different great guys.

[628] John Donahir, who's one of the most underrated or underappreciated jujitsu coaches in M .A. In the world, really.

[629] You know, with you, if you look at all the different guys that get famous for coaching Jiu -Jitsu, talk to a lot of people about John Donner, and they all say the same thing.

[630] Like, that guy's a bad motherfucker.

[631] Yeah, he's amazing.

[632] Super smart, brilliant in the corner.

[633] Like, I love the advice he gives.

[634] He's always, like, on point, direct, accurate.

[635] Yeah, it's probably the most, I would say, like, brilliant, educated man I ever met in my life.

[636] Yeah, he's brilliant.

[637] Like a lot of people don't know, you know, I believe he is a philosophy major.

[638] Yeah, he's a PhD in a philosophy, used to teach philosophy in Columbia University.

[639] And he was a bouncer.

[640] Before he drop everything and dedicate his life to Jitsu, and he was bouncing at night in a hip -hop club.

[641] Oh, my God.

[642] In a hip -hop club, can you believe it?

[643] And apparently he was big on weightlifting back then.

[644] Yeah, he was like a bodybuilder.

[645] Bodybuilder.

[646] And then he starts doing Jiu -Jitsu and fell in love with it.

[647] That's amazing.

[648] Yeah.

[649] So you go to him for you, Jiu -Jitsu and Henzo as well, right?

[650] You go to Hensos?

[651] Yes, I go to Hanzo.

[652] You travel a lot of gyms.

[653] Yeah, but I travel.

[654] It's a good thing because I have places that no matter...

[655] I come to L .A. often for business stuff.

[656] But when I come to L .A., I have the place where I can train in L .A. You know, I'm very happy.

[657] I have a place where I can train in New York.

[658] I go to New York a lot.

[659] And Montreal, of course, France, Paris, France.

[660] You know, and it's a place.

[661] You know, so everything, everywhere I go with a second home where I can go train there.

[662] That was hilarious when you brought that French dude with you on the Ultimate Fighter and he showed up hammered.

[663] What is his name again?

[664] John Charles Scarboski.

[665] Yeah, he's very, very good Muay guy.

[666] Very famous Muay kickboxer.

[667] And he would partying all night and show up to the gym with one of them club cups, a plastic cup.

[668] And there was fucking alcohol in it.

[669] He's out of his mind.

[670] He shows up.

[671] He was drunk and high from the party.

[672] Like, you haven't sleep for more than, like, 36 hours, you know, flight to Paris.

[673] Then I thought, I made the training when he arrived.

[674] I made on purpose.

[675] I organized a training for him to come teach the afternoon class, the late afternoon, not the morning class because I said I was thinking, oh, he's going to sleep.

[676] No, he arrived from Paris the night before, went out all night, went in an after party, went in an after, after party, and arrived straight to training.

[677] He didn't even go to his hotel room and train and kick everyone's ass and Moetai.

[678] Everybody was like, what the hell is this?

[679] And even when he left, because he stayed for like a week, when he left, the producer of the Ultimate Fighter came to see me, George, George, we need to get this guy, we need to keep this guy here.

[680] It was good TV, you know?

[681] I was like, no, no, he's leaving.

[682] He has to go back.

[683] It was making me look bad sometimes, you know?

[684] Man, it was like giving And he's not an imposing -looking guy, which is amazing.

[685] When you look at him, he's not like a scary -looking...

[686] But he doesn't know anything about Eminem.

[687] He does the thing.

[688] He has no idea who was Chocoladale, who was under something.

[689] He had no idea.

[690] He came in the room and he saw those pictures.

[691] He was like, who's these guys are, you know?

[692] Like, he knows all those, like, famous Moitai guy, but Eminemey doesn't know anything about it.

[693] Yeah, he fights ties.

[694] Like, he fights in Lompini Stadium.

[695] Yeah, he fought Buehakao, the guy.

[696] He's like, he cut Bwakao with a spinning elbow in the head, you know?

[697] Like, he lost that.

[698] fight but you took that fight on a short notice like like a few days notice and he was under weight it was yet to gain weight for the the way class he doesn't care he has like he has like courage like crazy wow it's weird because you look at the guy you would never think that guy's a fighter it's amazing it's character we're surrounded by a lot of character kickboxing is much more famous in europe than it is in america isn't it true I believe the level is higher in Europe.

[699] Yeah, apparently the glory, though, they're going to start to bring glory to someone.

[700] I think they're going to bring it to.

[701] Frank Shamarck said they're going to bring it to CBS Sports.

[702] I don't know what channel that is, you know, which, you know, I think CBS has like a bunch of different channels that they own.

[703] But if they start airing those, like, high level, you know, like Go Kansaki and Daniel Gita and all these, like, high -level heavyweight guys, that's some wild shit to watch.

[704] It's true.

[705] It's true.

[706] It's got to be interesting, you know, bring that here.

[707] Yeah, it's so funny how, like, the difference in just like a pure, straight -up kickboxing match, you know, when guys have no worries about being taken down, you know, and when people say, oh, like, the level of kickboxing in MMA is not as high as the level of kickboxing.

[708] It's a different distance.

[709] Yeah, everything's different, right?

[710] You cannot compare it.

[711] Different stance.

[712] Look, Alistovarine got knocked out by the, what is my name?

[713] Oh, Bigfoot, Seville?

[714] Yes, Alvo.

[715] But he's a K -1 champion.

[716] You know, it's because it's not the same thing.

[717] It's not the same thing.

[718] I mean, it's easy to adapt when you're a higher -level K -1 guy to adapt to MMA timing, but the timing is different.

[719] I think Alster had some issues going into that flight.

[720] Oh, it could be, too.

[721] Like, I don't know the inside of it, but I'm just thinking.

[722] It's got a testosterone issue.

[723] It's got low testosterone.

[724] Yeah.

[725] You know, he tested high for testosterone, like he had taken something.

[726] Okay.

[727] And now he has low testosterone.

[728] Okay.

[729] But, I mean, like, it's just like an example.

[730] I don't know the behind those or whatever.

[731] He just didn't look like he had a lot of energy.

[732] And Bigfoot Silva waited until he got tired and just beat the shit out of him.

[733] That was a brutal knockout, too.

[734] Yeah.

[735] I remember I was surprised to see that.

[736] I was like, oh, my God, I was not expecting this.

[737] Bigfoot Silver looked awesome.

[738] That was an amazing combination, man. I mean, you know, whether Alster was hurt or not, the combination, he leveled.

[739] him with was devastating you know just i mean he was it was like it was a lot like like remember phil baroni and dave manet remember that knockout or phil barone had dave manate up against a cage oh that was violent yeah it was not quite as bang bang bang bang bang oh he hit him like four times before manet can even drop that was bad yeah and baroni could fucking hit and he's teeing off on him literally he's keeping them standing with his punches this big foot one wasn't quite as devastating as that But it was number two.

[740] Yeah, Manet was, like, bouncing on the felt like, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang.

[741] It was like the greatest punching highlight reel knockout ever, that Barone -Meney fight.

[742] It's true.

[743] It was bad.

[744] It was bad.

[745] Some of those knockouts you watch are like, ooh.

[746] Yeah.

[747] When you first lost your title to Matt Serra, that was the first time.

[748] Matt, Matt, Matt, no, Matt, Matt, yeah, it's true, it's true.

[749] When you lost your title to Matt Sarah and, you know, and Matt Sarah stopped you, you know, that was, was that like, that had to be like the most devastating loss of your career, right?

[750] It was, but I learned something valuable that allowed me to survive to Carlos Cundit.

[751] What was that?

[752] When I got hit by Matt Serra, the first punch, he, he, uh, I make me very dizzy.

[753] And I was so proud, like pride, it's a good thing, but it could be a bad thing.

[754] I was so proud, I'm a very proud person.

[755] So I got, I got, uh, whibble, you see.

[756] in English, right?

[757] Wobble?

[758] I got Wobble.

[759] And instead of back off and say, oh, I'm going to go back to my sense, why did I go back to my equilibrium before reattacking, I got Wobble, and I got so angry.

[760] I was like, I can't believe this guy, because back in the day, it was like 5 to 1, 10 to 1, the odds.

[761] I was like, I can't believe I get wobbled by a guy like this.

[762] You know, like back in a day, like I was angry that I got wobble.

[763] I was a proud guy.

[764] First time I ever happened in my life.

[765] So I wanted to give it back to him as fast.

[766] as I can.

[767] But Maseroy hit very hard.

[768] So I was, I didn't have any equilibrium.

[769] I got a wobble with one shot.

[770] Then I tried to jump back into a war with him, into a slug fest with him while I was wobble and he wasn't.

[771] So I got punched like boom, boom, boom.

[772] Then he started tee off on me and then I fall down and I tap.

[773] I know I was completely out.

[774] If I would have keep going, I would be like, you know, I had to stop.

[775] Thanks God, the referee stopped.

[776] But what happened with Colorado?

[777] Coscon did the same situation.

[778] I got kicking the head.

[779] Then instead of telling, oh, I need to give it back to him, I fall on the round, I said, you know what?

[780] Yes, I got caught.

[781] Then relax now.

[782] It's time to defense.

[783] Catch up your bread, catch up your senses.

[784] Bang, bang, bang.

[785] I focus on my defense, my shield, close everything, every opportunity has to hurt me. And then I came back after.

[786] So I step into my ego a little bit, try to accept the fact I actually.

[787] I got hit, relaxed, and then I came back later.

[788] That's a little bit of...

[789] That's the experience that I gained from that loss with Matt Serra that allowed me to survive Carlos Condit.

[790] Oh, interesting.

[791] Because Carlos Condit dropped me with that kick.

[792] Matt Serra, the first time he cut me, I wobble, but I didn't drop.

[793] Like, I was on my feet.

[794] But I tried to get back right into a slug fest with him.

[795] Instead of backing up, try to use my footwork, get back to my senses, and that's what happened.

[796] I got cut.

[797] You know, sometimes you learn.

[798] during a loss and that's what happened to me. Matt Serra, by beating me, he helped me become a better martial artist you know?

[799] The kick what had you in more trouble?

[800] The punch by Matt Serra or the kick by Condit?

[801] But the kick, I believe with Condit was like harder, was a bigger kick.

[802] The first punch, if you look, the punches of Sarah finished me because it was many punches and I took many punch before I fall and when I fall I was too late I was completely dizzy, I did dizzy, you know.

[803] But I should have, when I got punched and wobble, because Matt Serra, he hit very hard, and I never seen that punch coming.

[804] I should have stepped back or hold him or go for, you know, instead of trying to slug fest with him.

[805] And Condit, when I got dropped, I said to myself, I said, okay, like, don't go back into a hole.

[806] Because I could go back, try to go a single, go back up right away.

[807] I said, okay, use the guard up, up, up, close everything.

[808] And, you know, because I was dizzy a little bit.

[809] bit too come there you know i didn't see the kick coming at all i follow his body and his kick come on the side and on the temple he broke he damaged my uh temple artery uh by the way it was a hard kick man it looked like a hard to go to hospital after and get it fixed you know you have to go in 10 minutes is that what's what's going on here is that why you guys were having a fucking conversation what what is it what's going on you know but another interview man what kind of other interview you got some boring ass bullshit is what you got what you got to do all right other PR stuff for the book, I guess.

[810] Ah, the book, PR stuff.

[811] So, everybody wants them.

[812] And I need to go train, too, Joe.

[813] Yeah, where are you going to train tonight?

[814] Don't tell anybody, man. They're going to go watch you.

[815] They have the security.

[816] Curves.

[817] Do you, like, now that you just beat Diaz, there's a lot of people that are coming up in the 170 -pound division.

[818] Of course, Johnny Hendricks is the big name and Jake Ellenberger and all these different guys.

[819] Do you, at one point in time, there's been a lot of talk at one point in time of you guys getting together and you and Anderson Silva meeting maybe at a catch weight or something like that and fighting in a suit a super far yeah is that question everybody asked me they asked me that even before I came back from my injury you know right they wanted me like I need to do stuff in my division before I think because it's new it has moved now so right I don't like I know silver is fighting a Chris Wayneman but Anderson's several is very big you know he's a one of It's 2 .30 pounds, you know.

[820] It's a very big guy who walk around, very big.

[821] And I'm 190 pounds.

[822] Right.

[823] And he's a lot of weight different.

[824] So, you know, if this fight happened, one day we're going to have to decide what weight class and, you know, everything.

[825] But this is, you know, try to see, figure out what's going to happen, what weight class and everything.

[826] He says he can make 170.

[827] If he won't make 170, I wait 170 and he comes 170.

[828] It's fine.

[829] Do you think that's possible?

[830] He was fighting back in a day and july.

[831] japan at 168 that was a long time yeah but he was he was over 25 years old wow so you think if he just did it slowly over a long time yeah what's the biggest cut you've ever seen the biggest weight cut i did or anybody that you've ever seen anybody do i don't do much a lot of cut it would be easier for me to go fight at 155 than fighting on 185 i would be more at my weight right actually that i had a one five there's guy at 155 they walk around 190 like me yes I've seen him yeah because they they think I'm big because I have a large frame but I don't have a I'm not big guy I'm very I'm not tick I'm not tick you know but they you know I we'll see this fight like I know he's fighting women and like Hendricks is freaking out you want to fight me so you know we'll see you know what's going to happen in the future what do you think is next is it going to be the Hendricks fight that's not probably probably Andrews you know yeah that's a big fight yeah but the thing is every like he's always going to be a guy that people say oh this guy going to beat you after andrews and you know who's what's going to happen yeah no it's a good fight it's a it's a fight that a lot of people want to see and you you have a very talent stacked division you know you at the top and look at how many great contenders are at 170 yeah no no it's it's a tough it's a very tough division what's it like walking around with that kind of stress I mean you got like a whole line of trained killers that want to get to the champ you know is that a difficult thing to manage i'm not stressed i tried to take one fight at a time you know and focus on one guy at a time i have no choice you know i cannot split myself enough you know and for me the last two fights were close to each other and my second fight the training came and it was brutal like in a way that i didn't have mental break now i need to take a little break mentally to come back stronger after because i always i will i will get tired at what i do I will not be as good as I could be, you know.

[832] But you still train, you still constantly.

[833] All the time, but I train for fun.

[834] I don't train for performance, which is different.

[835] Like I explained earlier, like I trained for myself.

[836] I'm having good time.

[837] It's fun.

[838] Now, while you're doing this, do you keep up with your jiu -titsu at all?

[839] Do you just do your boxing?

[840] No, no, no, I do jujitsu too.

[841] You do everything.

[842] Yeah, yes, very important.

[843] How many hours a day do you train?

[844] I depend.

[845] Like, now I'm going to have only maybe one hour and a half.

[846] I'm going to train at Freddy, and that's it.

[847] You know, it depends on my schedule.

[848] I train twice a week, twice a day, three, three hour maybe total, like two training of an hour and a half.

[849] The training itself is maybe 45 minutes, 30 minutes, the training itself, the talking, the this, the that, that changing, the shout, you know, an hour and a half.

[850] Now, when you're, are you still doing gymnastics?

[851] Yes, I do.

[852] How often you do that?

[853] Once, twice a week now.

[854] And you think that's, like, really responsible for a lot of, like, ability to do.

[855] Classic and track and fill.

[856] I run track and track too.

[857] Like sprints and jumps and things along those ones.

[858] 60, 100s and 400s.

[859] And you feel like that's the best kind of exercise for MMA?

[860] Yeah, if I would have started all over again.

[861] Because back in the day, I used to train like an idiot.

[862] I was doing bodybuilder and watching movies like, you know, Rocky and all this, you know, and Jean -Claude Van Damme, Arnold.

[863] I thought that was the thing.

[864] Back in the 90s, for my generation, That was the thing.

[865] Back in the day where I'm from, Canada, a mix of martial art and bodybuilding was the best mix you could be.

[866] You were, like you say, a badass, you know, you said that.

[867] Then after we discovered that body builder is not suited for mixed martial art, it's better, like, do like, I was doing more like strength conditioning kind of stuff.

[868] Then I found out after the strength conditioning, it was better, an Olympic lifting, I think it's better the gymnastics.

[869] Do you think it's better for your joints as well?

[870] Yes.

[871] track and fill and gymnastics if i would have to do if that's i would george that's i would have to go back in time i would have tell myself that george stop all that bodybuilding stuff that you're doing it's better do gymnastics and uh trek and fill is that because you're you're already a fairly physically strong guy and you're pretty strong from uh wrestling as well i'm very strong when i wrestle when i when i grab someone like in that string but if i lift weight, I'm not very strong.

[872] I bench like, what, two plate and a half maximum.

[873] I'm not very strong bench press.

[874] People are like, my God, you're not very strong.

[875] I'm not strong at lifting weight.

[876] When I was a kid, I remember I was in school, in secondary school, and everybody, the thing was to have a big chest, you know, every guy wanted to have a big chest.

[877] So I remember for years, I used to do bench press, flies, dumbbell, and man, I never had a chest.

[878] And, man, I never had a chest.

[879] in my life is and never had it i i try so hard to train for it and never add volume here and and you know it's genetic man is that's where it is so i say you know what you know i'm not going to do it man i'm going to do for gym like you know i'm i give up on it i give up i have big legs big big big butt big big big uh big cal say it you're going to say cock Say it.

[880] You're going to say it.

[881] You know what I mean?

[882] I don't have chess, man. I try to work, but it's one of these things that, you know, I give up on it, man. I gave up.

[883] Well, you could always do what Tommy Morrison did.

[884] Get breast implants.

[885] Did you see that?

[886] Yeah, but there's a lot of ways that I can use to have chess, you know.

[887] Have you seen that, the Tommy Morrison breast implants?

[888] No, I don't.

[889] Remember Tommy Morrison, the boxer?

[890] The guy at the A's at the A's?

[891] He had the A's?

[892] Is that him?

[893] Yes.

[894] He has a disease, right?

[895] He has disease.

[896] Yeah, I heard that.

[897] He also got breast implants.

[898] Oh, really?

[899] Yeah, pull that up, Brian.

[900] Pull that up.

[901] Tommy Morrison breast implants.

[902] Why am I doing this?

[903] Okay, here's why, folks.

[904] Because if there's a guy out there that's thinking about getting breast implants and I can talk about it, I got to do my job.

[905] You got to see this.

[906] Take a look at this fucking picture.

[907] This is Tommy Morrison.

[908] He has, pulling it up?

[909] Yeah.

[910] Got to hit the switch.

[911] Is this it?

[912] Yes.

[913] Look at that.

[914] Oh, man, that's not good, man. Oh, man, that's not that good, man. That's hilarious.

[915] Yeah.

[916] Don't do that.

[917] That's what I'm saying, folks.

[918] Anybody, to anybody, please listen to me. Is there an unauthorized biography of you as well?

[919] Yes, there is.

[920] Who the fuck wrote that?

[921] I don't know.

[922] It's sad.

[923] You call up my mom.

[924] You know, my parents are very nice people, you know?

[925] They talk.

[926] They're from countryside.

[927] They're always very respectful to everybody.

[928] And this guy, apparently, he called up my mom and my dad.

[929] My dad, he's an old ice guy.

[930] Oh, yeah, yeah, he answered all their questions.

[931] And I told my parents, like, stop answering questions that people call like this, man. Because, you know, they're a little bit naive.

[932] They don't know this thing.

[933] So I say to stop talking to people who don't know about, like, they did.

[934] So some asshole just wrote a book based on that?

[935] Yes, yes, he did.

[936] Wow.

[937] But it's a bad book.

[938] He only talked about my fights.

[939] He basically described.

[940] my fight.

[941] You don't say anything personal.

[942] He doesn't know me. He doesn't know me. So that's not a real unauthorized biography.

[943] No, no, no. The real one is the way of the fight.

[944] It's available on Amazon.

[945] You can go buy it right now.

[946] It's available in bookstores.

[947] Kindle.

[948] Yeah, you can get it on a Kindle.

[949] You can get it on a Kindle.

[950] You can get it on Audible?

[951] Are you talking it?

[952] No, no, it's me. Yeah, yeah.

[953] It's you doing it.

[954] I start doing it when I add my ACL surgery.

[955] And that's why I started writing down stuff.

[956] But I didn't wrote all word myself.

[957] It's in English.

[958] I don't write it.

[959] But it's made with someone I need it.

[960] So you don't write it in English at all?

[961] You just speak it?

[962] Yeah, I write English, but I would not write a book in English because it has been made in English first, then in French.

[963] So his name is Justin Kinzley.

[964] He was a friend of mine who wrote it, who wrote the book for me. But he took stuff that I say in my note, stuff that I write myself in French.

[965] He speak both languages, bilingual, so he switched it to the book.

[966] Oh, so you switched it to English.

[967] Yeah, it's not a biography.

[968] It's not about an MMA.

[969] It's not a book for a MMA.

[970] It's a book for more general public, you know.

[971] What's it all about?

[972] It's about the tactic that I use to start where I come from and to be a world champion.

[973] I find myself goals and drills the repetition, and I keep doing every day.

[974] That's all, you know.

[975] So that's what the book is about?

[976] Yeah, it's more philosophy.

[977] It's more philosophical book.

[978] It has nothing to do with MMA.

[979] It talks about MMA, but it's like people that like it.

[980] Normally, it's people.

[981] Because it not has been written by an MMA guy.

[982] The guy who written, it doesn't know nothing about MMA.

[983] Even the M .M .A people, sometimes they might read it.

[984] They say, eh, the terms are, because it, you know, sometimes a little mistake we correct in the future that it would misunderstand, but it's a book about philosophy and the mindset of someone, where I come from, how I became successful, from my experience.

[985] Well, George, you're a bad motherfucker.

[986] You're a cool guy.

[987] It's always great to talk to you.

[988] Thank you, Joe.

[989] I'm glad to be a friend.

[990] And it was one of the coolest things in my life is being able to teach you throw a turning sidekick.

[991] The fact that you would even listen to me when I tell you that I had a good one.

[992] I'm going to do it in a fight one, I promise you.

[993] I promise I'm not comfortable enough.

[994] We're going to do soon.

[995] Well, let's tighten it up, man. Let me give you some drills.

[996] I got some drills for it that can definitely help you out, help you increase accuracy.

[997] We'll do it some more.

[998] We'll train some more.

[999] For sure, man. Love you, buddy.

[1000] Thank you very much, my friend, and best of luck to you in the future.

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