#983 - Natasha Leggero & Moshe Kasher

[0] Yes Yeah Natasha put your phone away I'm trying to retweet it You're trying But the story was real It's hard This shit's not coming up There it goes This interface It's very hard It's very hard Are you guys worried That by calling your tour Endless Honeymoon You might put the jinx on it Sort of like how Rob and Black China In doing a reality show A jinx on what our marriage Or the Tour No, man. We can pivot into the endless divorce tour very quickly.

[1] Right, because you guys would be friends, even if you hit the rocks.

[2] Strictly homies tour.

[3] Well, the way we thought of it is when we were in Newport, Rhode Island, we learned about this rich couple who went on a 10 -year honeymoon.

[4] And then they came back with four kids.

[5] And I just thought that sounded so romantic to be so rich that you just, like, went away for a decade.

[6] Yeah, you have kids on the fly.

[7] You go away newlyweds, you come back grandparents.

[8] That's super bold too They don't even know their doctor They're in fucking Sweden and shit I mean they're rich people Those people were so rich man Do you know about the Newport The Newport, Rhode Island?

[9] Oh yeah I used to do a lot of gigs in Rhode Island There's these insane mansions there Yeah In the Gilded Age In like 1900 Basically 90 % of the wealth In America was in Rhode Island And then everyone else was living like You know in squalor Because they hadn't established Personal Income tax yet It was like the years right before personal income tax had been established in this country.

[10] So people had like 35 indoor servants, 55 outdoor servants.

[11] Like, you could, people like would come from Australia and boats and you would just make them your, it was like slavery, but.

[12] Yeah, this is the show at the endless honeymoon tour.

[13] We do an extended lecture on personal income tax in the history.

[14] And slavery.

[15] Yeah, it's really fun.

[16] No, my show another period is based on that.

[17] That's how we know about it.

[18] But yeah, they were like these people, it was the Carnegie's and the Rockefeller.

[19] fellers and these like seat of power like illuminati old you know like Carnegie had a billion dollars a hundred years ago like these people were they were just but now we've come full circle and people have figured out how to legally steal money and not pay income tax so but not that many I mean the difference is pretty shocking but don't like the romneys of the world don't they know how to not pay or like the romneys are you talking about well like the like politicians don't they kind of know how to you you're talking about she's talking about big old corporate oligarchy billionaire people that have figured out.

[20] Any super rich people are going to try really hard to hold on to their money and pay as little taxes as possible and form LLCs and corporations and all kind of jazz.

[21] It is funny that comedians are like mostly super liberal, right?

[22] And they're all like, man, we got Bernie and we got to like pay these high tax rates.

[23] And anyway, I'm incorporated and my LLC's name is, it's just like you're doing a corporate fiction too.

[24] It's a tax shelter for entertainers.

[25] But here's the problem.

[26] Like, where's the money going?

[27] I'd be willing to give away more money and tax dollars if I knew that it was a rock solid establishment.

[28] They really knew what to do.

[29] If you could tick, if you could tick like little, fill little bubbles, like, well, I'd like most of my money to go to education, nothing to this, nothing to that.

[30] Oh, that'd be amazing.

[31] It would be, but the country would be fucked.

[32] Yeah.

[33] The roads would fall apart quickly.

[34] Oh, everything would fall apart, you know.

[35] Cops would be out of business.

[36] Well, no, because half of the country at least would be like all my money of the cops, all my money to defense.

[37] I would love to see.

[38] I wouldn't love to do it because I just don't think that that amount of power should be in people's hands without a lot of research first.

[39] You know, I think that's a big part of the problem even running for president and voting for president.

[40] You don't have to have any research done before you choose a candidate.

[41] You just like them.

[42] And also you don't have to have done any research to be the president.

[43] Also, there's like no choice.

[44] You're like, okay, I guess I'm a Hillary person.

[45] Yeah.

[46] Yeah, you could become a Hillary person just because you didn't want a reality show contestant or whatever the fuck he was.

[47] But that's a crazy thing about, and I do think, I think we were talking about this last time, I do think Trump, if he's doing anything good for American society, he's pointing out how ridiculous and arbitrary the worship of the American president is.

[48] Oh, yeah.

[49] If people are going, that's not presidential.

[50] Well, presidential means that you look dignified while you bomb a village in Yemen.

[51] So we should just destroy presidential as an idea.

[52] Gore Vidal said that he, He called it the uniquely American religion of president worship.

[53] President worship, yeah.

[54] That is really, I mean, it's really just a new version of kings.

[55] Oh, we, that's so funny that our whole foundation mythology is based on the rejection of the king, and we immediately established kingship, which is what they did in Christianity.

[56] I think of Christianity this way.

[57] Like, it's based in this Judaic religion that says, let's get rid of the idea of a man that you worship or a figure or a God that you bow in front of.

[58] There's one right in front of us, right?

[59] Let's get rid of a statue that you bowed out in front of.

[60] And the next religion was like, let's worship a human being.

[61] Like, it's so, that is so in us.

[62] Well, it's alpha male chimpanzee stuff.

[63] We always try to look to the number one, the one that knows the most, the oldest with the most scars.

[64] It's gone through the most battle, has the most wisdom lead us, because you want to know which snakes are poisonous and what plants you can eat and what's going to kill you.

[65] Right.

[66] And everybody worships the past.

[67] That's what's so funny to me about.

[68] American, it's the day after July 4th and everybody talks about the founding fathers, so it's like, those were dudes who had the education of the, they were brilliant people in the 1800s and 1700s, but I'm not like trying to, I'm not trying to go to a doctor from the founding father's days.

[69] Or like, yeah, people probably stunk.

[70] People probably did stink.

[71] Thomas Jones, they probably stank.

[72] It probably just what people smelled like back then.

[73] Like if you caught a gal after a bath, you were psyched.

[74] but even a bath a bath is let's be honest about what a bath is it's asshole and vagina soup I mean you're sitting in a big teapot but you don't put your dick or balls in there it's just the men put their assholes in women put their vaginas in but men they hold up their assholes their dicks and balls so they don't well it doesn't concern me what a guy smells like but what a girl smells like concerns me but maybe it wouldn't have back then maybe it wouldn't have yeah maybe just you're standing Change.

[75] I mean, if you're horny enough, you don't care.

[76] That is true.

[77] I'll never forget this passage.

[78] Always.

[79] But you're an incredibly horny person.

[80] Classically horny.

[81] My wife, let me just say, guys, my wife is so horny.

[82] I love that word.

[83] I like how you did it in a sort of a gay, floppy way.

[84] Isn't it funny that, like, being mobile is gay?

[85] It's gay.

[86] If you just start going like this, people go, oh, that's gay as fuck.

[87] There's a story about time.

[88] Tom Cruise, have you heard this, that he came to, I can't remember who, some comedy person who's like a normal human being, right?

[89] Like, but famous, but not like Tom Cruise famous.

[90] So Tom Cruise, like, connected with that person, I can't, I may get a better story if I remember who it was.

[91] But there's somebody like, at like your level or like, or like a Mark Duplas or, you know what I'm saying, like, and the...

[92] I don't know who Mark Deplas is.

[93] Well, he's a guy at your level.

[94] No, he's not...

[95] Do you know he is?

[96] The Duplas brothers.

[97] Jamie knows who everybody is.

[98] I don't know who the Deplas Brothers are.

[99] They made the show Togetherness on HBO.

[100] My point is about the Duplas brothers is like, they were just like semi -famous, not like, inhuman.

[101] Okay, what did Tom Cruise say?

[102] So, Tom Cruise got himself.

[103] She's so horny she wants to get to the fucking.

[104] I get it.

[105] So he got invited to a Super Bowl party at this person's house, right?

[106] I'll imagine if Tom Cruise is coming to your house for the Super Bowl?

[107] For a Super Bowl party?

[108] He was like, oh.

[109] Asking Tom Cruise and he says yes?

[110] You're like, honey, he said yes.

[111] What do we do?

[112] Right.

[113] And imagine me in Tom Cruise.

[114] be like, I think I will be among the humans today.

[115] So Tom Cruise apparently shows up with a brand new, like, clearly fresh football that is assistant.

[116] Like, you know, he's like tossing like a literal brand new football in the air.

[117] And they're all talking about marriage at some point in the day and goes, you know what the best part of being married is though, right?

[118] Fucking your wife.

[119] Am I right?

[120] You just fuck your wife.

[121] And everybody's like, like, felt like tumbleweeds are all three apart.

[122] He's sort of like a robot, huh?

[123] Like an alien visiting us.

[124] He must be amazing to hang out with.

[125] I would love to hang out with him.

[126] Fucking your wife, right?

[127] I mean, when you're that famous, your work ethic, it's like you just devote everything to that, I think.

[128] Because, like, I have, my agents were like, they know that the agents who are Tom Cruise's agents, they said, Tom Cruise always gets back within an hour when we send a script.

[129] Because I'll, like, keep a script for like three weeks, and then by the time I read it, the part's been cast.

[130] He reads it in an hour?

[131] They said Tom Cruise will read a script in an hour and get back to them and either like it or not like it like he's just like on the ball he's like he's trying to win yeah he's won and it's an inhuman instinct because our human instinct is to just atrophy in a way i mean you have to kind of fight it but easy to be lazy and to procrastinate it's definitely easy to be lazy but it's not if you're going to be tom cruise you really have to be on the ball there's no other way it doesn't just he doesn't but that's not just what's going on no there's this weird alien sort of behavior patterns that we don't recognize as being normal.

[132] Like when he jumped up on Oprah's couch, it's like, I'm in love, I'm in love, and love him in love.

[133] And everybody's like, what the fuck is going on here?

[134] It's like a person, no, it's like a person who doesn't understand French, but you're speaking French to a French person.

[135] You're saying all the right words.

[136] But you're like, what the fuck is wrong with this guy?

[137] It seems like every choice he makes outside of acting is based on what he's assuming normal human beings think is the normal behavior.

[138] Right.

[139] So it goes, ooh, love is when you jump on a couch and go, I love her, which is informed by movie.

[140] really, right?

[141] Like, that's more movie like, right?

[142] That's like John Cusack and say anything, like, oh, that's what love looks like.

[143] It's not, you know, or telling a bunch of the fellas.

[144] You know, oh, we're going to have sex talk with the fellas.

[145] Oh, so oh, I like to fuck my wife, huh?

[146] The friction of her vagina makes me just sploge, huh?

[147] Right, guys?

[148] And everybody's like, eh, backing out of them.

[149] Everyone's like, uh, we're sick of fucking our wife.

[150] Never.

[151] I just don't relate to that joke that you made.

[152] Aw.

[153] Sweet.

[154] That's so sweet.

[155] Yeah, what a fucking strange guy.

[156] He might be one of the strangest guys of all time.

[157] I wish he would just, like, come clean.

[158] Would, like, one day just sit down and just be, like, give him some ecstasy and have him just talk about who he is.

[159] Like, I don't even know who the fuck I am.

[160] I mean, I've been in Scientology for so long.

[161] Like, 13 guys last year.

[162] 13.

[163] I'm always worried they're going to tell.

[164] I'm always worried they're going to tell.

[165] Well, he did Chris Hardwick's podcast, right?

[166] He did?

[167] He did.

[168] He did a one -on -one interview.

[169] He did?

[170] I haven't listened to that.

[171] Recently?

[172] I wish you could get him on here because you get in, but I don't think you could pierce that impenetrable layer.

[173] I think he would be fake with you too.

[174] But even if he's fake, you find out if he's fake.

[175] You find some stuff.

[176] You still pierce.

[177] He was telling Chris like, oh, I love movies.

[178] You know, I'm passionate about movies.

[179] And Chris goes, oh, yeah, like, what are some of your favorite movies?

[180] This is how politically, like, constructed he is.

[181] He goes, yeah, just movies, all movies, all movies.

[182] Like, he was such a political being.

[183] They're all the same.

[184] They're all the same.

[185] The biggest movie star couldn't pick three movies that have inspired him.

[186] Because he didn't want to pick like, you know, a Spielberg, a Bruckheimer, and a blah, blah, blah, because then he piss off Coppola and Scorsese.

[187] You know, I mean, it's all a construct.

[188] God, I want to meet him.

[189] Yeah.

[190] I can't believe he did Chris's.

[191] That's so cool.

[192] You should have him on the show.

[193] You could get him.

[194] I think, I got faith you could get him.

[195] I've had this guy on Ron Miscovich, who's David Miskovich's dad.

[196] Oh, wow.

[197] Oh, so you can't have a bond.

[198] And I had Leah Remini on.

[199] You had Leah Remini on?

[200] Yeah, and we talked for three hours about how crazy her life in Scientology was.

[201] You're a classic SP.

[202] There's no way you're getting, Tom.

[203] I'm a suppressive person.

[204] Although I'm not.

[205] I'm just misunderstood.

[206] I got to say, though, the more I learn about the Catholic faith and all these, like, kid fuckers keep coming out, the more I'm like, that's the worst one.

[207] Did you see the new one?

[208] Keepers?

[209] No, the new, um...

[210] Oh, that Australian guy?

[211] There's, uh, 8 ,000.

[212] cases of child molesting that they just uncovered?

[213] I mean, let's just shut down that religion.

[214] Was it Catholic child molestation?

[215] All 8 ,000 was...

[216] Well, priests are Catholic.

[217] No, no, I'm not doing a bit.

[218] But all 8 ,000 of it was connected to the church.

[219] Jamie will find it.

[220] It was just some...

[221] I mean, I didn't even read it because I looked at the headline and the first thought was, duh.

[222] And second thought was, ugh, I just can't.

[223] I mean, it's so much worse than, like, making someone believe they can get acting work.

[224] Like, whatever Scientology does.

[225] Like, the Catholic religion is, like, They're fucking little girls and boys and, like, permanently ruining their lives, making them have, like, terrible flashbacks, making them have, like, wide chunks of memory that they just don't remember.

[226] Then they do remember.

[227] And it's like, it's just the worst thing you can do.

[228] And having, like, sexual problems, I'm not Catholic, I'm Jewish now.

[229] Well, you know, the Pope, the last Pope, Ratzinger, that guy, one of the things that they, one of the reasons why he had to step down was because they found out that he was one of the guys that used to move people around.

[230] coffee.

[231] He was one of the guys when someone get caught molesting children.

[232] He would move into a new precinct or what do you call it?

[233] That's what takes your breath away.

[234] We live actually right next to a rehabilitation, a former rehabilitation center for wayward priests on our street in L .A. And I was like, oh, I always thought oh, wayward priests, like I wonder what that means.

[235] And then after we saw that movie Spotlight, we looked it up and that's exactly where they were housing, it was one of the places they were housing the molesters.

[236] Spotlight makes this really interesting point about the church, which is that The commonly held sort of folk belief about the Catholic Church is that when you take away someone's ability to have sex, you will concentrate their sex drive and pervert it and you'll become a child molester.

[237] And what Spotlight, the movie sort of point that it makes is it's the other way around is that basically when you're a child molester, you go to the church because you know they'll give you a haven.

[238] See, I don't think that's true though.

[239] Like it is hard to become a priest.

[240] You have to like study scripture for, I mean, how long is seminary?

[241] He did molest a child?

[242] You got to groom them, you got to hang out, you know what I mean?

[243] I just don't know how true that is.

[244] So Ratzinger moved a guy that went on to molest 100 deaf kids.

[245] Yeah, I saw this document.

[246] Wait, why deaf kids?

[247] Because they couldn't talk about it.

[248] They would be...

[249] They can sign!

[250] Yeah, but no one's going to listen to them.

[251] It's not like they can just start talking.

[252] You know what I mean?

[253] It's like it's a way just...

[254] I mean, he was working with deaf kids, like deaf orphans.

[255] Well, it's just...

[256] It's not that nobody would listen to a deaf person.

[257] It's that...

[258] This is how scams works to.

[259] One step removed.

[260] It's one more, what you want.

[261] A little easier.

[262] What you want as a predator is the most vulnerable person that you can be predatory towards.

[263] Like in the documentary Keepers, it wasn't until this girl came to the priest and said, I actually have been molested.

[264] He was like, oh, you have, have you?

[265] And then he started molesting her.

[266] But he waited for her to come into, it was in confession.

[267] He found that she was weak.

[268] So she was weak, and then that's who he picked.

[269] So it's like.

[270] Well, I remember these Nigeria, speaking of that, psychotic.

[271] it's insane yeah and but that's what they want the child molester loves the the weak and vulnerable because if they go to a strong confident child who they know will just be like if you touch me I'll tell my fucking dad I'll kill you that's why I wasn't molested they were like that girl's got a big mouth also you do not touch her also though I've seen your baby pictures you weren't a hot kid I was and I was always but it's very much always boys right no it's very rarely girls The keepers.

[272] Oh, yeah?

[273] Yeah.

[274] Oh, God.

[275] It's girls and boys.

[276] It's like who.

[277] I've only seen documentaries on boys.

[278] But the boys thing is weird.

[279] But I kind of, I do believe there's a math to, like, suppressing someone's sexuality, and then it's just going to come out in these other ways.

[280] Well, I think that also monsters are, orientation is spread equally across monsters.

[281] Sex -oriented, yeah.

[282] Yeah, I think that, I don't even know.

[283] Are you even gay if you're a child molester that likes little boys?

[284] Is that even gay?

[285] That seems like a third thing.

[286] Like just you're not even in a sexual zone anymore.

[287] Now you're in a pathology zone.

[288] But since the cases are so, there's just so many cases, like maybe we should just let priests get married.

[289] A hundred percent.

[290] Well, they used to be able to, but they were rock stars.

[291] The problem was back in the days, like during the Lutheran days when Martin Luther was around, priests controlled everything.

[292] I mean, they fucked everybody's wives.

[293] Really?

[294] The Pope had wives and children.

[295] Popes had wives.

[296] They had children.

[297] They had armies.

[298] The Roman Catholic Pope controlled armies.

[299] You know, like they controlled troops.

[300] Like, it was a totally different scene.

[301] And then somewhere along the line, they were fucking so many women.

[302] They were like, hey, here's a new rule.

[303] If you're going to be a priest, you can't fuck any chicks.

[304] And then just the whole thing went, hey, why.

[305] Does anybody know why that happened?

[306] Why the changeover happened?

[307] Because they were rock stars, because they were banging everybody.

[308] Really?

[309] Why they made them not right?

[310] Okay, because they were too irresponsible.

[311] This is what I've read.

[312] What I've read is that there was a real concern.

[313] amongst people that were, you know, under the tutelage of these priests that these guys were out of control.

[314] They were just banging everybody.

[315] Find out what was the reason.

[316] And that's why they made them not able to...

[317] That's so interesting.

[318] I wonder what year do you think that is?

[319] It wasn't that long ago.

[320] I think it was like a thousand years ago.

[321] It might have been less.

[322] That's so interesting.

[323] I think it was less than a thousand years ago because I know that during the Gingas Khan era, the Pope still had armies.

[324] And I think still, I think they were still allowed to be married.

[325] Oh, and I bet they were using their religious status to abuse their power.

[326] Probably.

[327] Probably women would, like, fall for them, too.

[328] Like, there was no, like, think about it.

[329] If there's no musicians, there's no comedians, there's no directors.

[330] Who are the hoes going to go to?

[331] The hoes are going to go straight to the priests.

[332] They go to the gestures, though.

[333] They had comics back then.

[334] But it was to do with, like, a floppy hat.

[335] Yeah, but they were, like, cruise ship comics.

[336] Like, they couldn't get out of line at all.

[337] They got killed.

[338] There were still rock stars.

[339] They were just, like, had white hair and played the, deal with the latrine that you have to shit in?

[340] What is the deal with Cornish Gamehen?

[341] The white hair played the piano that was later.

[342] That was like the renaissance.

[343] This is like a dude plucking a loot.

[344] I would like to find out, yeah, probably, right?

[345] A harp.

[346] I want to like have a timeline of what was the year.

[347] There is this idea that the guy, the itinerant singer that would come to town and like pluck the loot and tell like the tail was always fucking everybody.

[348] Of course.

[349] That's got to be who we all came from.

[350] It was like Robert Plant.

[351] We came from the gestures.

[352] That's Rockstar versus comedian.

[353] Right.

[354] We were the people who would like come in on a wagon.

[355] Yeah, like juggling balls of manure, you know, like the king has the ears of an ass.

[356] I would like hit you on the head with a baguette.

[357] Comedians.

[358] Do you think that you guys have like genetic ancestry to former comedians?

[359] I believe in that more than Moshe does.

[360] Do you believe in it?

[361] I don't believe.

[362] I just feel like I have a blood memory of like, like for example, I do think there are people in comedy who are doing it because that's where like the energy is right now and they're just like trying to like make money and.

[363] Right.

[364] Actors.

[365] Yeah, or whoever.

[366] I think it's moved beyond that.

[367] It's like now it's like everybody that you would have been a DJ when I was like 17 is now a comedian.

[368] Right.

[369] There is a lot of that.

[370] It's cool.

[371] It's cool.

[372] It's not all of you guys?

[373] Well, what I was going to, I don't really care.

[374] I mean, I think you just have to like focus on yourself.

[375] It doesn't bother me. I think it's cool because when you go big, then the 10 % of geniuses that wouldn't have started if it wasn't cool will start.

[376] And then the 90 % of people that were going to be garbage, what do they, they don't matter.

[377] Damn, 9010, huh?

[378] Uh, probably less, probably 991.

[379] No, you think?

[380] Oh, yeah, maybe.

[381] A person that starts comedy to becoming, like a, forget genius.

[382] The person that starts comedy does a set at an open mic to becomes, like, one of the, like, great comedians, like, you know, even in the top 10 % of comedians, that's, that's got to be 1%.

[383] That's the point that Todd was.

[384] I don't know if my math works.

[385] But the problem with it is, like, you say once they start, because the 99 .9 .9 % that start never even.

[386] make it.

[387] That's part of it.

[388] Yeah, but it's like the 1 % that do, the 0 .1 % that actually become professional comedians.

[389] Like, how many people out of your group of open micers that used to hang with, how many are still doing stand -up?

[390] This is a bad ratio because how many of them have a TV show, all of them?

[391] Things have changed.

[392] Like, it's easier to be famous now, so your ratios are a little off.

[393] Dude, I remember when I would...

[394] From open micers?

[395] Well, yeah, no, the numbers are very, are start.

[396] I remember when I first started like I would have I would have fucked let a man fuck me 50 times to get like a Montreal spot and now it's like 50?

[397] Yeah, 50 times I've thought about it a lot and they would rub my back very gently and smoothly What about a big man like Alonzo Bowden?

[398] Okay, he could do 25 times Dude I looked at Alonzo Bowden's fingers once and I was like there are men with dick smaller than your finger Oh for sure It's crazy I see him online It's so Dick smaller than your finger Yeah, oh well that's rough if that's true It's true Anyway, Alonzo, if you're listening, every time I look at your hands, all I think of is dicks.

[399] Wow.

[400] Small dicks.

[401] Interesting.

[402] But my point was, oh, is that I would have done anything for a Montreal spot or a spot on the tonight show.

[403] And now there's young comics who are like, no, I'm not really trying to like be a second lead on a show right now.

[404] I'm really waiting around for my vehicle.

[405] Things have changed.

[406] I dated a girl that was like that.

[407] She was like, I don't want to do TV.

[408] I'm holding out for film because I was on a television show at the time.

[409] and she was, it's like saying that she didn't want to do TV.

[410] It's like it was beneath her.

[411] Oh, and you're doing TV at the time.

[412] I took an acting class.

[413] Yeah, yeah.

[414] I took an acting class with her.

[415] I'm a fan of that show.

[416] I took an acting class with Paris Hilton, and the teacher was like, who wants to do TV?

[417] And everyone raised their hand except her.

[418] And he was like, who wants to do just movies in Paris Hilton raised her hand?

[419] Of course.

[420] She wants to be legit.

[421] That's so funny.

[422] That was the thing in the 90s.

[423] Yeah, I guess.

[424] Do you know that Paris Hilton is one of the top.

[425] highest paid DJs in the world?

[426] She can't have good taste in music.

[427] Or she's not a DJ.

[428] She also has like 20 perfumes.

[429] I think comics that sucks should go in a DJing.

[430] It seems like it's an open market.

[431] It seems like you just dominate.

[432] If you have half a sense of entertainment.

[433] Oh yeah, who's that guy who's got a billboard on sunset?

[434] Mosch is like, he is like DJing at a swimming pool in Las Vegas.

[435] Oh, it was a huge famous celebrity of a DJ.

[436] You know how in LA you'll always know what's happening in Vegas.

[437] Like Paul Harris or one of those guys.

[438] And it was literally, you look down and it's like Vegas Swim Club.

[439] It's like he's DJing a pool.

[440] But those pools will have 15 ,000 people stuffed into the area going crazy.

[441] It's like a sex party.

[442] I mean, if I was a horny dude, that's probably where I would hang out.

[443] What about a horny girl?

[444] No, I would not hang out there.

[445] She's on her way.

[446] She's going.

[447] We're stopping there on the honeymoon tour.

[448] Just wear a Nixon mask.

[449] Just go crazy.

[450] A Nixon mask.

[451] That was like a beautiful naked woman body.

[452] Yes, with a Nixon mask on.

[453] I heard that they recently, this could be bullshit, started making more money on their nightclubs than on the casinos.

[454] That's got to be true.

[455] It may be.

[456] I don't know.

[457] I don't know what the numbers are, but I would imagine they make a lot of money on the casinos.

[458] Well, because there's people like...

[459] What's up?

[460] I just heard John Taffer, that guy that does Bar Rescue talking about it on another interview.

[461] He said they'll go in on Friday night and make about $500 ,000 for their club show and then wake up the next morning and do the pool.

[462] at noon for 150 and leave in the afternoon.

[463] No, no, no, you're talking about the actual performers.

[464] We're talking about the club itself.

[465] We're talking about the casino, that the casino makes more much.

[466] But imagine that.

[467] If the DJ makes $650 ,000 for a weekend, you've got to multiply that by what, 20, 100%.

[468] Well, then they have the odd person, like I am on that show Dice about Andrew Dice Clay.

[469] Have you ever had him do the show?

[470] Oh, many times.

[471] So, as you know, I mean, I didn't know that this was a real thing, but in the show, the whole premise is that he's paying off his gambling debt.

[472] to the casino because it's like $800 ,000 and it's the only way you can pay it back.

[473] But that's a true story.

[474] Yeah.

[475] He was in debt.

[476] Like, he would lose $800 ,000 in one night.

[477] So as long as they have people like that, they must be making a lot of money, right?

[478] Yeah, there's always going to be people like that.

[479] There's always, like, the old lady, like, putting in nickels.

[480] But then there's also, like, dice.

[481] But you also have to think, like, how much money does it cost to run a casino?

[482] The overhead is insane.

[483] Right.

[484] It's also, they also exist in this odd, like, Venn diagram of, like, a legal business.

[485] business and an old world like criminal enterprise and I don't mean that in a mafia way like don't they have like india like why is it even legal for them for them to let someone rack up an eight hundred thousand dollar debt like a normal business business would say sir you're twenty dollars over your limit so we're gonna they just know like he's got credit he's dice he's gonna make money my he's gonna my grandfather he uh gambled away the deed to his house at the riviera and like they just lost my her her my Nana's wedding ring and then someone told me when I was at I was at Foxwoods and they said that at Mohegan's son they're like yeah it's gotten really bad at Mohegan's son when you gamble away your car they won't even give you a ride home but we at Foxwoods are giving people right like it's happening like people are just like they run out of money and they're like okay I can win it all back if I just sell the car right and it's like the car's gone yeah here's what's interesting though if you win they ban you like my friend right Like, how is that legal?

[486] If you lose, they give you right home.

[487] Dana White is a notorious gambler, but he wins millions of dollars sometimes.

[488] Wow.

[489] I think he said he lost as much as $1 million, and he's won as much as $7 million in a night.

[490] Has he gotten banned from places?

[491] Yes.

[492] Yes.

[493] Dana, he's a celebrity.

[494] That's so weird.

[495] Not only does he get banned, but he gets banned and then he pulls the UFC out of them.

[496] Like they used to do UFC at the POMs, and he killed the POMs, and the POMs banned him.

[497] So he's like, fuck you.

[498] I'll ban you.

[499] We're going to move to the Hard Rock or wherever the hell they moved to next.

[500] But yeah, they've banned him from a bunch of casinos because he's really good at Blackjack.

[501] Wow.

[502] What stakes is it?

[503] What's the minimum bet for the Dana White Blackjack?

[504] I wish I knew.

[505] That sounds fucking crazy.

[506] How is that legal to ban someone once they win at the thing you're saying?

[507] Because I'm saying these casinos are not fully legal.

[508] They're like in this weird area.

[509] They reserve the right to ban you if you kicked their ass, which is crazy.

[510] Can they say your card counting or something?

[511] You're not card counting.

[512] I mean, even if you are, it doesn't matter.

[513] It's legal.

[514] I mean, you can do whatever the fuck you want.

[515] I think, I think it's, as long as it's on your head, if you're not using a calculator or something.

[516] It's technically within the rules of the game, because your job is to sit down.

[517] I guess card count, but Blackjack, they have a...

[518] What does that mean, though?

[519] I mean, you're supposed to not know?

[520] Like, say if you have knowledge, you're supposed to ignore it.

[521] Right, if you know how to count cards.

[522] That's so stupid.

[523] It's like a girl going to a bar and watching a guy roofier drink.

[524] Oh, can't pay attention to that.

[525] It's not the rules.

[526] Like, you know what the fucking rules are, right?

[527] The rules are, like, if you know how many decks they're using and you know what cards going to hit and when not to hit and just play it smart and count and think and calculate I didn't know what's like that also what drives why does Dana White was a reach right why does Dana the rupee thing we all accepted it sort of it's your house we were like uh -huh Joe you got that but I was like hmm it's probably not good why why does Dana White gamble or who's the famous basketball player like oh Charles Barkley what drives those people they're so rich why drills?

[528] Oh yeah also people that I've been hit in the head a lot.

[529] Dana's been hit in the head a lot.

[530] Notoriously impulsive and notoriously susceptible to addiction, whether it's gambling addiction, alcohol addiction.

[531] Really?

[532] Yeah.

[533] Yeah, it's a big part of CTE with chronic traumatic encephalacy, which you see, I think I said it right.

[534] That's brain damage from getting hit in the head.

[535] A big part of it.

[536] Is he a fighter or something?

[537] He was, did a lot of boxing when he was young.

[538] Whoa.

[539] Has dome rattled a gang of times.

[540] Got that dome rattled.

[541] You're not supposed to get punched in the head ever, right?

[542] You're definitely not supposed to get punched in the head multiple times a day for years.

[543] What about, like, you train, right?

[544] I don't do any kickboxing sparring at all, no. Because of that.

[545] Yeah, and even in jiu -jitsu, you're like slam into someone's knee accidentally or a head.

[546] You get your head bonged, your don't wrap, but it's not that common.

[547] But when I was kickboxing, boy, I got hitting the head a lot to the point where I just like, sometimes I think about some of the decisions I've made.

[548] I'm like, what's going on in there?

[549] Like, what screws are loose?

[550] Even with head gear, you're saying you're still.

[551] It's worse.

[552] Headgear's worse.

[553] Because headgear, it actually makes an artificial lever.

[554] Like, say if your head is this large, it means if you clip it here, it's got more of a fulcrum effect.

[555] Whereas if your head is smaller and compact, then you just take it here.

[556] So Richard Nixon mask would be bad because they had a big old chin, knock him moose a little bit.

[557] It doesn't how thick the rubber is in the mask.

[558] But the idea is not necessarily just the initial impact.

[559] It's how much your head moves.

[560] Like the stronger your neck is, the less likely you are to get brain damage.

[561] So these guys do a lot of neck exercises just to keep their head stable when it gets hit.

[562] The idea is like the more your head moves, the more your brain is going to swish around inside your dome and break off the connective tissue.

[563] That's also part of the problem is connective tissue, this like really soft, almost like cotton candy -like tissue that connects your brain to the skull.

[564] That stuff gets ripped up.

[565] Would you rather be a NFL, whatever the guy that linebacker?

[566] Is that it?

[567] Sure.

[568] Or like long -term prize fighter?

[569] Long -term prize fighter, for sure.

[570] Long -term prize fighters can get through it.

[571] Like, there's guys like Bernard Hopkins that, you know, fought into his 50s who speaks well, you know?

[572] And there's, see, the problem is even guys that speak well, there's the weird shit that they do, the impulsive stuff.

[573] There's, like, if you talk to people that are CTE experts, they tell you some really disturbing things about brain damage, about how it manifests itself and the weird things that men find themselves doing.

[574] They don't even know why they're doing it.

[575] They're just doing it.

[576] and like real impulsive behavior and just stomping on the gas on the highway and just like weird gambling stuff and sex stuff and drug stuff and a lot of it is connected to CTE.

[577] What if you looked over and Natasha was crying?

[578] Just weeping.

[579] When I see Mosha, you do all of those things.

[580] When I see Moshe watching, is it MMA where they're like doing 69 and just writhing?

[581] How are they doing it?

[582] They're writhing?

[583] Yeah, it's like they're just like like one's got the head in his dick and then the other one's got his head and his dick and they just kind of like writhe back and forth Even Joe is like one of the main commentator for the U .S. No, I know.

[584] I still don't understand it.

[585] And that's what you say, right?

[586] He's got his head in his dick and they're writhing, folks.

[587] Sometimes I have said things along those lines.

[588] It's an odd sport.

[589] You have to understand from a woman who's like not into sports and then sees that.

[590] It's like I don't understand it.

[591] She comes in and she says always derisively.

[592] Did your team win?

[593] I'm like, there are no teams.

[594] You know they're on purpose.

[595] Oh, yeah.

[596] I mean, I'm just, yeah.

[597] And they're barefoot, like they maybe have been fucking.

[598] That's the video game.

[599] That's the video game.

[600] Yeah, the video game lets you get a little gayer than the actual sport does.

[601] Oh, yeah, that's a good one.

[602] You can actually fuck a guy.

[603] Those are women, though, aren't they?

[604] That's a great game.

[605] Could be.

[606] No, that looks like a dude.

[607] That's a dude caught in a triangle.

[608] So it's people who don't, they don't care about brain down.

[609] much though like these this sport you get this sport brain why is that funny like don't you think that's important yeah they don't care about the cartilage that connects their head to their cartilage it's or the connective tissue connective tissue it's not that it's it's not that it's not that they don't care it's just that this is something that they started doing when they were young they got really good at it and they see it as a path to make a career and they like thrills they like doing things dangerous and excitement and exciting some of them just accept the risks and some of them say I would rather live a dangerous life that's exciting than a really fucking boring life.

[610] I can respect that.

[611] Sitting on the couch, atrophying.

[612] I can respect that.

[613] I mean, of course.

[614] This is funny, though.

[615] This is like going to like on Da Vinci's podcast and being like, I don't know about this art stuff.

[616] I don't know about this.

[617] Joe can take it.

[618] No, I think you're right.

[619] No, you're right.

[620] My perspective is when I see it.

[621] But now you put it like that too, it's like what's the alternative?

[622] Get a job in a factory or get a job.

[623] We all die.

[624] I mean, this is temporary.

[625] This is not going to last, right?

[626] So for them, it's like, how am I going to use my meat vehicle?

[627] Yeah.

[628] And am I going to use it for fun and just go crazy?

[629] And, I mean, that's the thought process behind it.

[630] It's like, yep, I know I'm doing damage to it.

[631] And, you know, I know a lot of guys that I've known when they were in their prime, where they were just killing everybody.

[632] And now they are broken.

[633] That's crazy.

[634] Like, I know guys who can't even brush their teeth.

[635] Really?

[636] Their shoulders are so shot.

[637] They have to, like, brush their teeth left -handed.

[638] and they suck at it and they're gonna fucking move their head.

[639] And how old are they?

[640] In their 30s.

[641] What?

[642] Yeah.

[643] There is something about the human animal that wants, it's an interesting facet of humanity that wants to achieve greatness for some reason.

[644] Well, the glory of winning in that too is also directly related to the danger of doing it.

[645] It's like there's something dangerous about it that makes it super exciting if you pull it off.

[646] It's winning a fight is a crazy feeling.

[647] feeling it's even more than you're making all these other people happy too because people have like voted on you know or how do you vote on them root for you or whatever like you bet on them but people I mean it's like you're it's so many people just I've noticed so many people get their mood is changed if their team wins so it's like oh that's the problem with m .m .a though I when Chuck Liddell started losing is when I realized like MMA is not a good sport for like having to have your guy win right eventually your guy will always lose.

[648] Oh right.

[649] Really?

[650] Always, because they'll get older.

[651] That's like just the inevitable reality.

[652] As opposed to a team that swaps people out.

[653] The team is dynamic, so your team can always be a winner.

[654] But if you root for one fighter, that fighter will get old and the young people will come in.

[655] By old, it's like 38?

[656] Yeah.

[657] No, that's way old.

[658] Oh, really?

[659] 38 is way old.

[660] So like 32 or something.

[661] Especially now with drug testing.

[662] It used to be back in the day that when you would get tested, it was really like they would say it's like an intelligence test.

[663] It's more than a drug test.

[664] Like, you just don't take anything the remaining few days before your test, and they're just testing your pee for, like, really obvious stuff.

[665] But now it's super comprehensive, and they use Usada, the U .S. Anti -Doping Association, and they fucking crawl up your ass with a microscope.

[666] They wake you up.

[667] Checking for what?

[668] Do people watch you pee?

[669] Yes.

[670] They are in the room with you.

[671] Look at your dick, because guys have used rubber dicks.

[672] Yeah, I went to rehab when I was a kid, so I knew all the tricks.

[673] The Wizzinators.

[674] Or you'd get your homie to piss into a bag, and you'd have the bag in your pocket.

[675] But what kind of drugs are MMA people doing?

[676] Steroids, steroids.

[677] Oh, right.

[678] It's not like...

[679] You're so hilarious.

[680] You know nothing about it.

[681] Like, well, that doesn't even make sense.

[682] Why test it for drugs?

[683] Isn't that illegal?

[684] So they're all doing...

[685] Why would they do it if it's illegal?

[686] Joe, I got to say your impression of Natasha is spot on.

[687] I don't even understand.

[688] Okay, no. What are the rules?

[689] You're allowed to do illegal drugs or no?

[690] Now I'm horny.

[691] Okay, hold on.

[692] I just thought that people have...

[693] standards and that they wouldn't do that, but you're saying they would all do it if they could.

[694] No, not all.

[695] There's definitely a core group of champions who have never thought about taking drugs and still don't.

[696] Thank you.

[697] The problem with steroids is...

[698] There's a lot to do.

[699] The problem with steroids also is that when one person starts doing it, the person beneath him will lose.

[700] We'll lose or has to be pressured to do it, and so it creates this, like...

[701] I'm sorry if people out there are upset that I'm not a sports fan.

[702] Don't think about them.

[703] Let's just talk.

[704] Do you believe that's what's holding us back.

[705] Don't sweat it.

[706] You do?

[707] I don't.

[708] I mean, I'm just like not.

[709] You think sports are holding us back as humans?

[710] Is that what you mean?

[711] I think she's doing a bit.

[712] What's elevating us?

[713] If that's holding us back, what's elevating us?

[714] I just think making sports like our main thing.

[715] I hate when sports are on in any sort of public establishment.

[716] I think it's aesthetically.

[717] Okay, I won't.

[718] Nothing wrong with it.

[719] Go ahead, be yourself.

[720] It's okay.

[721] You don't like when you see sports in an establishment.

[722] I find it depressing.

[723] depressing.

[724] What about law and order when you watch that?

[725] That's like one notch down, but very depressing.

[726] What about CSI?

[727] Oh, I love CSI.

[728] It pulled the head off the carpet and the blood sticking to the head.

[729] It's been dead for hours.

[730] Natasha, I will say, is extremely connected to aesthetics, more than any human being I've ever met in my life.

[731] I think tennis is a nice aesthetic.

[732] There you go.

[733] Aesthetics.

[734] Okay.

[735] I would...

[736] So that's a sport.

[737] That's okay.

[738] I think like a tennis match, Yeah, I could handle that.

[739] Why is that okay?

[740] Honestly, because I like how they, like how they dress.

[741] What about basketball?

[742] No. No. I hate those long shorts.

[743] No. I don't like baseball or football.

[744] That's why I mean my aesthetics.

[745] You hate someone.

[746] There's a dark for aesthetic.

[747] Black people play tennis.

[748] Yeah.

[749] There's a couple of chicks.

[750] They're really good at it.

[751] I mean, I think it's probably, it's probably, it's probably because I grew up and I was always the last to get picked for sports because I'm so small.

[752] So maybe that's why I hate it.

[753] You're so tiny.

[754] You really want to go deep.

[755] When I hug you.

[756] I'm always worried I'm going to break you.

[757] You weigh like 80 pounds.

[758] I weigh 100 and 5.

[759] You do not that small.

[760] Come on, you do not weigh 100 pounds.

[761] You're lying yourself.

[762] Do you do?

[763] No, I do.

[764] I mean, I'm not like that skinny.

[765] I'm just small.

[766] She weighs 105 while we fuck.

[767] And it's 100 when we're not fucking.

[768] I have a 5 pound dick.

[769] I mean, and I didn't want to mention that.

[770] I asked Natasha not to bring it out, but it needs to be said.

[771] Yeah, I've got an Alonzo Bowden, two Alonzo Bowden.

[772] I don't know what I'm talking about.

[773] Four Alonzo Bowden fingers.

[774] I'm just teasing you about that.

[775] the sports.

[776] No, you don't have to tease me. I don't like sports.

[777] I also don't like video games.

[778] The only thing I watch is fighting.

[779] I literally don't watch sport.

[780] I don't even know the rules.

[781] You don't like any sport other than MMA and boxing?

[782] No, I don't watch them.

[783] I don't even know when they're happening.

[784] Like when someone says, oh, do you see the NBA championship game?

[785] I'm like, oh, when was it?

[786] No, like, it was last night, man. You didn't watch?

[787] I'm the same.

[788] It was the thing.

[789] The only sport I watch is MMA and have watched consistently since I was a kid is MMA.

[790] And then boxing very secondarily.

[791] And then I can't get into kickboxing at all.

[792] Really?

[793] Do you know what's glory?

[794] I've seen clips of everything.

[795] I don't know why I can't get into...

[796] Because I like MMA much more than boxing.

[797] And you would think I would be more in a kickboxing than boxing, but I'm not.

[798] Sports just seems like men exercising.

[799] That's funny.

[800] But like I just, I mean, I know it's more than that, but that's how I see it.

[801] Like, if you saw opera, you'd probably be like, this just seems like fat people singing or screaming.

[802] I've seen opera.

[803] Do you like it?

[804] No. I felt like it was this like antiquated form of...

[805] entertainment that I watched.

[806] I was super duper high when I went to see it because I knew I knew I had to see it.

[807] Why did you have to see it?

[808] Oh, just I had to do a favor.

[809] So when I went to watch, I was like, listen, I'm just going to blaze out of my fucking mind.

[810] That's a good instinct.

[811] But what's interesting is what I really started paying attention to was all the people in the audience.

[812] And there's like this class of people that probably live in like Bel Air and Beverly Hills and want to be seen at the opera.

[813] And it's like a big deal to say they're going to the opera.

[814] And I was, like, watching this, I was like, they can't possibly like this.

[815] Like, even if they like it, they don't like it that.

[816] They don't like it like people like the UFC.

[817] That's true.

[818] That's true.

[819] You're right.

[820] No, that's not true.

[821] It's true.

[822] But he's saying is like.

[823] You're not all pretending to like it?

[824] No, there's a different level to what they like.

[825] It's not true.

[826] It's like sophisticated entertainment.

[827] I mean, like, we went to the orchestra, the symphony recently.

[828] And Moshe hated it.

[829] I've been, I went to the symphony when I was a kid with my grandma.

[830] She used to take me. And there are some bangers, you know?

[831] Bangers.

[832] Yeah, you know, like, that's like, that's a hot banger.

[833] You know, he was just in there, like, doing his thing.

[834] But we went to see, I don't even, who was it?

[835] Mahler.

[836] And you read the description, Mahler, and it's like, limonations on death, not discord into, not pleasant to listen to.

[837] So we're going to go sit down for an hour and a half performance of, like, something that in its description is like, Natasha, you didn't like it either, did you?

[838] No, and there was like a lot, Moshe got in a fight with two different elderly people.

[839] Did you?

[840] Trying to help this woman.

[841] I was walking in.

[842] People are on like double crutches.

[843] It's so old, you can't imagine it.

[844] It's like, it's so old and so white.

[845] It's like unbelievable.

[846] You can't believe it, you know?

[847] And I was walking in and this old man was sitting down.

[848] He's like 85.

[849] And so I told him he started to get up to let me through.

[850] I go, you don't need to get up.

[851] I can kind of crawl around you.

[852] And he goes, we're not all as young as you.

[853] Some of us are going to die soon.

[854] And I was like, oh, I'm trying to like.

[855] I go, I just read the Wikipedia page.

[856] So I go like, oh, well, I guess that's what we're here to listen to, right?

[857] And the guy's, nothing, iced me out.

[858] And I sit there, like, bored and the worst.

[859] And it's got, it's the worst kind of symphony muller because it always seems like it's ending.

[860] It'll be like, da, dun, dun, done, done.

[861] And you're like, cool, let's get the fuck at her.

[862] Dun, da, da, dun.

[863] It's just, like, never.

[864] But then what about the old lady who yelled at you and she almost fell down the stairs?

[865] Then as we were leaving, I was an old man, and he was so feeble and wobbly that I was staring at his body like in my mind you ever have this kind of situation where you're like this this is going to this person's going to fall i can feel it in my bones way before it happened or like way up on the rafters in the steepest possible like it would and i could feel it like this guy's going to fall he's too feeble he's too old to be ascending these stairs and he sure enough does he just starts to like tip over and he still goes for it because i was already like looking at him I grabbed him by, like, the top, the collar, and the bottom of his jacket.

[866] And I just, like, held him up right.

[867] Oh, my God.

[868] And he fucking, like, just, like, shrugged me off of him, gave me a dirty look, and stormed off.

[869] And I was like, I just saved your fucking life, you old bitch.

[870] You wanted to go.

[871] Maybe you wanted to go.

[872] Right.

[873] Maybe he was a good way to go.

[874] He's like, I listen to Mahler.

[875] I'm out.

[876] Depressing shit, pretends he slips.

[877] Listen to his wife complaining about her stool.

[878] I saw more blood in my seat.

[879] stool and he's like I'm just gonna fall you know what my grandma it's glorious I'm on a good steep angle no my grandma said to me no but she said to me on her deathbed like days before she died she looked at me and she said if there is a god he saves the worst part of your life for the very end oh it's like bye bye grandma I've been thinking about that because I was like going into like an old person's home seems so depressing like I would never want to do that to go away from your your stuff and your house you know like I'm just trying to think what's the best way go.

[880] I think it would be...

[881] Well, old people by themselves in a home alone when they're dying.

[882] It's super depressing, too.

[883] Yeah, yeah.

[884] I lived in New York when I first moved there.

[885] I stayed with my grandparents in New Jersey and my grandmother had had an aneurysm.

[886] They gave her 72 hours to live.

[887] She lived 12 years.

[888] Wow.

[889] Yeah, dude.

[890] How were those 12 years?

[891] Rough.

[892] I was only there living with them for a few months.

[893] I think I lived there for maybe five months, six months.

[894] But it was bad.

[895] It was bad.

[896] Like my grandfather, They had a nun or a nun.

[897] A nurse would come over and they would help.

[898] But this, like, she would have horrible bed sores.

[899] She couldn't move.

[900] She was paralyzed.

[901] Oh, she was completely vegetableized.

[902] No, she would talk a little bit when her teeth were falling out.

[903] They would have all fallen out.

[904] Did she want to live at that point?

[905] No, no, no, no, no. But I do think, like, the two main ways to die are, like, to have a deathbed.

[906] Like, that seems kind of glamorous because then you could, like, call people to you and give them wisdom and, like, have last words.

[907] No, but if you die in an accident, then you never get to.

[908] to have any of that.

[909] No, but the third way.

[910] You can't have like those funny last words.

[911] Wait, the third way, what is you, what is you, your bit about your grandma on her deathbed?

[912] I don't remember.

[913] Oh, the third, the third way, though, is to go mad and to shit your pants and to...

[914] Oh, my grandma didn't die like that, though.

[915] That's just a joke.

[916] My grandma did.

[917] My grandma's great fear her entire life was becoming a feeble, senile person that was battling to herself.

[918] And, of course, it came true.

[919] Because the only way to avoid that is to have a heart attack or an accident.

[920] I feel bad that I say that about my nana.

[921] It's just a dumb joke.

[922] Well, you know, they have assisted death now in California, and 11 people did it on, like, the first day.

[923] That's crazy.

[924] My, my, 11 people did it in the first day?

[925] Yeah, which I absolutely believe in.

[926] I mean, I think, God damn it, why do we need to have people die of natural causes when they're horribly suffering and on their way out?

[927] That's a good question, right?

[928] It's like, what is suffering?

[929] Right.

[930] If you're physically fine, you have a 70 beats per minute resting heart rate, you have no cancer, but you just...

[931] Five pound dick.

[932] Every day, five pound dick.

[933] Every day.

[934] hating life yeah it's crazy they in scandinavia where they've had euthanasia for a long time they they've started to accept that the person who's suffering from chronic depression can opt out and take assisted suicide as a means to escape their depression isn't a part of the problem with chronic depressions like we don't know what they're feeling yeah like if you if like someone if you have a broken arm like okay i broke my arm i kind of get it but if someone says i have chronic depression i was like okay what does it feel like i don't know i don't know i don't don't know what your depression is and your chronic depression might be different than another person's and another person's like and how do you know that it can't be turned around with a pill or with exercise and diet and if you did turn it around like I have friends that were suicidal and now they're super happy so it's hard well the problem is the main one of the main tenets of depression is hopelessness so if you can't feel at all hopeful how are you ever going to try to get your way out another strange thing about mental illness in my experience and I have a lot of it in my family and is that it always looked, not always, except for schizophrenia and stuff looks obviously like that person's sick and can't help it.

[935] But with depression or alcoholism, that kind of thing, it always feels like you could act differently.

[936] If you just tried a little bit harder, you could not be doing this.

[937] You could be less depressed.

[938] You could go apply for a job.

[939] You could get up.

[940] But schizophrenia is like a, you're stricken.

[941] You can see is impossible.

[942] But it looks to the normal brain like close enough.

[943] to normal that they could just change their circumstance if only they tried harder and mental illness is maybe the inability to try harder so it's very seductive to the normal brain to think of mentally ill people as like lazy or not trying to get better yeah i just think it's one of those very odd things to quantify almost impossible like i don't know what you're feeling you know and what is like what's normal for some people you know and like some people are just ecstatic all the time.

[944] And like, what is normal for them?

[945] And also, antidepressants are like literally just a chemical experiment with somebody's brain.

[946] Like, oh, if I tinkle this and do this.

[947] Yeah, but I know people who ever since they started taking antidepressants, it's changed their life and their life's way better.

[948] Sure.

[949] Have you ever taken, either of you ever taken an antidepressant?

[950] No. Someone gave me some Adderall once.

[951] That's not the same.

[952] That's similar.

[953] I was on antidepressants when I was a kid when I was like 13, 12 year old.

[954] Do you remember your personality changing?

[955] I remember my brain doing things to me that I didn't like physically like I started to see things in the horizon of my vision I started to I started to feel like less hungry I started to like Wait what to see things in the horizon of your vision Like you know oh like actual apparitions Not apparitions like sort of Like sort of hallucinogenic fractal situations you know I started to see that And just like I could feel it tinkering with my brain Of course what was happening was I was getting given antidepressants to combat like being a juvenile delinquent, like druggie.

[956] And so it wasn't fixing it or tinkering in the right way.

[957] So a psychiatrist gave you this?

[958] Yeah, I was all fucked up with psychiatrists.

[959] Psychiatrists will give you, that's the real problem, right?

[960] They'll give it to people that don't need it.

[961] That's what's happening with the opioid crisis.

[962] Like, they'll people just like, they'll just give you oxycontin.

[963] Like, it just seems so crazy.

[964] It is crazy.

[965] This doctor told me this weekend.

[966] I was talking to this family member that's a doctor that it takes eight days of a regimen of what's the drug in the in the current there's one drug that all the opiate addicts are getting addicted to it's not oxycontin it's not oxycontin it's a fentanyl yeah fentanyl it takes eight days to get hooked and a and a treatment regimen is something like 12 days so it's like everybody that's given the treatment regimen for regular pain is is having to kick it when they get off and that's why that's why we've got a crisis that's incredible that eight days in you you're hooked.

[967] It's insane.

[968] Because everybody who takes, if you break your leg or something.

[969] They give you fentanyl?

[970] No, I don't know why they give it to you.

[971] Why would they just give you medical marijuana?

[972] For a broken leg?

[973] I don't know for pain.

[974] It's real simple.

[975] I mean, you're saying it like you haven't thought it through.

[976] Because they make a lot more money selling you something you can't get anywhere else.

[977] I'm too naive.

[978] Doctors aren't, isn't that like the first rule of being a doctor?

[979] We're not going to hurt you.

[980] They have relationships with pharmaceutical companies.

[981] I mean, it's a standard thing.

[982] I don't want to believe that people are like that.

[983] But there's also a bunch of doctors that are ignorant to the actual positive benefits of pot.

[984] They have a negative association about pot.

[985] People don't smoke pot.

[986] But also, to get real, like, if you have a compound fracture, you don't, what you need is more than medical marijuana.

[987] At least at first.

[988] You don't agree with me?

[989] Oh.

[990] You would take, your bone is, your bone sticking out of your leg.

[991] Yeah, it hurts.

[992] You pop it back in, and what would you take?

[993] Yeah, once you get the cast on it, you're fine.

[994] It's just, you just sit there.

[995] It sucks when you move, but you don't have to take that stuff.

[996] You don't.

[997] And medical Marijuana supposedly they did a recent test and 93 % of people with chronic pain preferred marijuana over opiates.

[998] God, I can, my mom has pain and like she's never tried drugs and I just can't get her to try, you know, like she, there's such a stigma.

[999] Like she'd probably try fentanyl before, because a doctor, a doctor said it was okay than marijuana.

[1000] I wish we could change the...

[1001] I'm not a fan of pain pills.

[1002] I hear you.

[1003] I got my knee reconstructed and I didn't take anything.

[1004] I just was like...

[1005] Really?

[1006] Yeah, I'm like, I'm not taking them.

[1007] Well, you took marijuana, though, or...

[1008] No, I wasn't going to smoke a pot back then.

[1009] How much did you suffer?

[1010] It's not that bad.

[1011] It's just pain.

[1012] It depends on your tolerance for pain.

[1013] Yeah, it's the kind of pain that you just go, okay, well, that's what that feels like.

[1014] Okay, now I know what that is.

[1015] You know, back pain is one of the harder ones.

[1016] Because it's like everything you do.

[1017] That's a very overrated pain, by the way.

[1018] It's almost nothing.

[1019] It's like scratches.

[1020] It feels like this.

[1021] Yeah, no, I've heard people say it hurt more than anything in their life, so you're just tough.

[1022] Those people are pussies.

[1023] I know a lot of wussies.

[1024] It doesn't hurt that.

[1025] It just doesn't hurt that much.

[1026] It just absolutely does not hurt that much.

[1027] There's spots where it's not comfortable, like bones, like elbow bone, when they go over the elbow bone.

[1028] And oddly enough, like right when they get close to your chest, that's painful.

[1029] But not childbirth.

[1030] It's fucking manageable.

[1031] You just go, whoa.

[1032] And it's like just, I think a lot of it is just how you think about the pain.

[1033] Of course.

[1034] And you fester.

[1035] What's the most painful?

[1036] Does anyone know what the most painful thing of human being experience is?

[1037] what's like the top threshold it seems to me a compound fracture is as bad as it gets but maybe i'm told it just seems awful burning to death probably hurts broken bones suck and but broken bone compound fracture just a broken bone and in a horrible laceration oh right i guess that's true i had a broken arm and it wasn't that bad i think burning i think you're right burning burning is one of the most absolutely painful ones burning and not burning the death i think that's rough the recovery process from do you know that when burn victims are in the hospital other burn victims random strangers go to them and talk to them I didn't know that my friend Zach Zach Crager who's from the widest kids you know and he's a successful actor he's on that show wrecked he told me he burned himself at a party in the Caribbean and in the Caribbean people would go visit burn victims from the Caribbean would go visit they're like a community like a or something yeah because apparently the pain is so intense and insane that they how nice it's interesting let me say this now before or forget.

[1038] People who love Stevo, Stevo did something.

[1039] I don't know what the fuck he did.

[1040] But on his Instagram, if you're going to Denver this weekend, Stevo's going to be in Denver.

[1041] He has horrible burns all over his body.

[1042] And he's looking for some sort of an EMT to take care of him, like someone to help him dress his wounds, because he's still going to do his shows at the comedy works.

[1043] And apparently he won't tell the story of what happened to him, but he put it, because he wants to tell it on stage.

[1044] But he put these images would put a video of it up on Instagram and his fucking skin is falling off of his arm.

[1045] But he's still going to do a show?

[1046] Yeah, it looks really bad.

[1047] Don't do your show, dude.

[1048] But also I want to say to Steveo, if you listen to this, there's a new stem cell therapy that they've created for people that have burns where they spray stem cells all over the burn and the healing time is radically reduced as well as the scarring.

[1049] The scarring is radically reduced.

[1050] You know another thing we do?

[1051] He's got to look into that.

[1052] They put tilapia skin on the burn.

[1053] You heard about this?

[1054] Whoa.

[1055] There's fish scales on burns apparently is one of the much, so much more healing than bandages.

[1056] Whoa.

[1057] I don't know why, but it like creates this sort of, you know, skin on skin healing energy apparently.

[1058] Yeah, there you go.

[1059] Doctors trying orthodox prostrate burn victims using fish skin.

[1060] That's fascinating.

[1061] Is Steveo going to be okay?

[1062] Yeah, he's going to be okay.

[1063] But he's got, go to the Steveo Instagram page so you can see it.

[1064] But the stem cell treatment is pretty radical.

[1065] Like, they've shown people with third -degree burns, they spray it on them, and in a couple of days, it's gone.

[1066] That's crazy.

[1067] Yeah, like literally no scar, no nothing.

[1068] It just heals.

[1069] That's interesting.

[1070] Yeah.

[1071] I mean, we're in a new world.

[1072] Not this.

[1073] The next one.

[1074] The next one.

[1075] Do you take it off?

[1076] Oh, wait, what about that one?

[1077] Wait a minute.

[1078] He took it down?

[1079] That's a video of him getting blood poured on his face.

[1080] Oh, he took it down.

[1081] Whoa.

[1082] That's crazy.

[1083] So he is telling.

[1084] Asking for people to come and see him in Denver.

[1085] Like all that stuff all over his body, all those, like he showed what that looked like.

[1086] Click on that because it just seems like, yeah, fuck.

[1087] This is one video that he had.

[1088] Okay.

[1089] He's not going to show anything.

[1090] But the next video, he showed what's going on under those bandages and it's horrific.

[1091] Oh, maybe it got flagged.

[1092] What's the most painful thing you've ever experienced?

[1093] I feel like I'm so lucky.

[1094] What about you, you got nothing?

[1095] I mean.

[1096] Your shoulder?

[1097] I'm a baby.

[1098] Her shoulder popped out in Hawaii and it was...

[1099] That was not even that painful, though.

[1100] It was...

[1101] I just don't like getting, like, blood drawn.

[1102] I felt very weak as a man at that moment.

[1103] She popped out of the ocean, and her shoulder was, like, separated.

[1104] From body surfing.

[1105] And I was just like...

[1106] Did you get an MRI?

[1107] Do you know what's going on?

[1108] Oh, yeah.

[1109] It was like three years ago.

[1110] It was just a dislocated, yeah.

[1111] Right, but no tearing or anything like that?

[1112] No. It still doesn't feel the same.

[1113] Dislocated my shoulder.

[1114] I didn't even know.

[1115] Weird.

[1116] Yeah, because I could see it physically.

[1117] on her body.

[1118] Although she doesn't have as much muscle as you, but I was looking at her arm going like, I don't know what to do about that.

[1119] I don't know what I'm going to do.

[1120] I guess I could hoist her on my shoulder and walk back to, because it was like, there was a walk too.

[1121] I just moved my arm and it came back.

[1122] You're supposed to like, for some people, you're supposed to like lay them down and stretch their arm, like pull it out and then it'll fall back in.

[1123] The most I know about shoulder dislocations is from lethal weapon.

[1124] Oh.

[1125] So slam him up against the wall.

[1126] Yeah.

[1127] He would do that.

[1128] He would throw it in yourself.

[1129] But some people just have loose shoulders Like I know some girl who like every time she has sex Or like one out of five times Her shoulder becomes dislocated I'll be honest Joe Natasha is some of the loosest shoulders in the game Yeah maybe Maybe those girls are just like drama queens Yeah they're always going like this And they're bump the shoulder out Just like being hurt where they're fucking I'm getting a salt It's like a assault Can you imagine though how bad that would be If you were fucking a girl And her shoulder got dislocated Yeah that would be really bad I'd get her some pads Shoulder pads Some shoulder pads Like some football pads support yeah I do that anyway just because I like a more masculine woman so I like her to be wearing big back something with a helmet yeah just like give her a little TBI traumatic booty injury wow man you guys would be in jail it's so easy to go to jail now yeah we should be in jail just for saying this right you go to jail just for talking about it now so we can aren't you glad to not be dating right now oh yeah it seems like a nightmare for everybody I know that is oh yeah it seems so scary if you get lucky you find someone that's awesome it's great it's good time and it's fun and exciting but you guys I just feel like you got in right under the wire.

[1130] Well, you know, I remember what does that mean?

[1131] Like the PC, like, you know, like now it's like if if a girl wants to, she can just say that she didn't consent and you'd probably.

[1132] Oh, I'd make them find forms, fill out forms.

[1133] That's what I mean just because they're doing that so much now.

[1134] But you didn't need forms.

[1135] I think she'd have a stack of them next to the bed just to let chicks know that this is like really casual.

[1136] They do that, though.

[1137] So many forms.

[1138] All these big stars do that.

[1139] They make you like Instagram.

[1140] Tom Cruise?

[1141] No, like there's a story about Justin Bieber Will make you like videotape yourself saying like I'm a sound mind and body And I choose to fuck Justin Bieber You know Oh, that makes sense Whatever Because he's fucking a lot of skinks Yeah Allegedly And you know They're probably trying to get over on them Yeah I would imagine if you're that wealthy Like you have to worry about everything you do All the time I'm sure But there are a lot of guys Who are probably trying to take advantage of girls So Oh for sure Maybe there's more of that Maybe that's on the rise So it's bad for you, boys.

[1142] I bet it's the same as it's always been.

[1143] There's always been creeps, and there's always been creeps on both sides.

[1144] The thing is that there's more creeps in the men's side.

[1145] Let's get real.

[1146] I mean, there's more, like, there's more psychos, maybe, more crazy people that you date, but there's more predators that you, as a, they're more male predators than there are female predators.

[1147] I'm sure there are female predators, and they're psycho men.

[1148] But if we were to really do some number crunching, you know.

[1149] Yeah, I would imagine it's not even.

[1150] I've never had, I've never had a experience that I was actively scared in.

[1151] I've had experience where I was like, I'm not spending the night at this girl's house because I don't know if I'd wake up.

[1152] But remember our friend, this girl emailed him and was a weird laugh.

[1153] Well, I'm just saying that's too real.

[1154] It is real.

[1155] I remember this one girl, I was at her house and I was like, oh, this person maybe would kill me in my sleep.

[1156] She was crazy.

[1157] She was, I remember she kept, she was like real Hollywood, like punk trash right when I moved to town.

[1158] you okay with this story and uh she she she's so okay with it she kept going um she kept uh asking me to put a cigarette out on her and i was like i don't think i can do that and i don't think i can do that and i would like kind of ash on her but i wasn't really ready for like full put and then i remember that she was um she was she kept when she would go down on me and she kept like horribly like biting me in my genitals and she was like biting my balls I remember and I was like please stop that like please please no and then all of a sudden we kept like making it out and then she looked down and she was like what is that like the way you say what is that when somebody's got like an STD right you know that like what is this and I looked down and there was a fucking contusion in my nuts like a from her biting you from her bite she like burst a blood vessel and then she was like mad about it she would no she had done it and not And she had done it and not...

[1159] Joe, have a little respect.

[1160] My wife's in the room.

[1161] So she's sucking my balls so hard that...

[1162] Mosh, remember our friend?

[1163] The girl emailed him and said, Just so you know, I know he didn't have sex.

[1164] But if we had, you didn't have permission and it would have been raped.

[1165] Right.

[1166] She goes, what the fuck?

[1167] Our friend was like...

[1168] Our friend was at Reed College, actually.

[1169] Or not Reed.

[1170] Yes, it Reed.

[1171] At Reed, not Evergreen, but Reed.

[1172] Where it's like sort of the center of like the woke sort of PC campus culture.

[1173] That's the extreme.

[1174] That's very extreme.

[1175] She called him and said she was drunk and she came on to him.

[1176] Oh, God.

[1177] His name's Andrew Mishon.

[1178] He's a, he's a, oh, I shouldn't say that?

[1179] Oh, I don't know.

[1180] Oh, maybe I shouldn't do that.

[1181] Too late.

[1182] Oh, because I just feel like I'm telling his, he didn't do anything.

[1183] No, no. She came on to him.

[1184] Let's not say her name.

[1185] I don't know who she is.

[1186] But he's a comedian and I just figured he'd want a shout out.

[1187] But at any way, sorry, he's a great comedian.

[1188] He definitely avoided He's at the punchline in San Francisco August 17th At any rate He didn't hook up with her She came on to him and he was like I'm not feeling this No thank you Went home, went to bed Gay guy And then she She texted him like a week later I just wanted to thank you For not taking me home that night Because I was drunk It wouldn't have been consensual It would have been rape So thank you It's just like why Well that's not a lot of people Want to like firmly establish that though That if you are an adult and you're drinking and you have sex, it's rape.

[1189] Well, it is hard, though, because you have to understand being a woman, you are so vulnerable.

[1190] Like, men have more upper body strength.

[1191] We do have a hole, and they have a thing that goes into the hole.

[1192] Whoa, you're saying crazy things right now that no one knows.

[1193] Slow down.

[1194] If you're going to drop that kind of knowledge, pace it.

[1195] You have to imagine yourself.

[1196] Imagine yourself if you had a hole instead, and you didn't have those muscles, and you were just walking around, you know?

[1197] Well, what is the idea that men are afraid that women are going to laugh at them?

[1198] women are afraid men are going to kill them.

[1199] Yeah, those are both very different things.

[1200] Yeah, but that's a reality, is that just like when you say there's like the equal dispensation of predators on each side, it's like, well, no, there really aren't, right?

[1201] That really is.

[1202] I said there's creeps on both sides.

[1203] I didn't necessarily think it was equal.

[1204] No, but what I mean is, and I'm not trying to, I wasn't doing that to like say I got to.

[1205] I might have even said that, but I probably was flippant.

[1206] But my point is that the world that women walk around in is one where they fear that the worst case scenario is they're going to be kidnapped, raped, murdered and our worst case scenario is probably usually is not that yeah well exactly the rape part in particular most of the time it's not that and if it is it's also from a fucking man from a dude yeah i mean i i had an argument with a guy who's a men's rights activist about that it's like actually more men are raped than women i go hey stupid they're raped by men you fuck you're just right you're just reinforcing the argument against men that's like such a dumb argument well they always like they haven't even looked into it they like they've like it's such a surferral thing to say like if you done like the next step like who's raping these kids oh yeah guys probably shouldn't bring it up yeah you probably shouldn't bring it up you want to support men if you like your whole thing is that men are awesome like men are actually the victims we're raped more than women right by what goblins the fucking demons are coming in the middle of the night and raping you that's such a good point by other men but this guy was saying it like I got you with this fact that I bet you didn't know well because people like to talk in talking points they don't like to I mean you had that experience with the alt -right people on your show.

[1207] What's that?

[1208] Just that they don't think things through.

[1209] Like, remember that guy was trying to tell you that the people at the women's march?

[1210] He's like, how did they take off their work?

[1211] And it's like, it was on a Saturday, dude.

[1212] Yeah, that's right.

[1213] That we had this guy on the show that was like, the problem is it was all these out -of -work people that just, I don't know about, this was a talking point in the right about the women's marches, or just about protests in general.

[1214] I don't know how these people are able to have such privilege that they can just take work off to go protest.

[1215] It's like, first of all, there's a history of protests where people strike.

[1216] That's the whole idea.

[1217] But second of all, the Women's March in particular, was on a Saturday.

[1218] Who was this guy?

[1219] Who was this guy?

[1220] The kid named Lucian Wintrich.

[1221] No, you were asking me. He's like a Milo on a be.

[1222] Who is, yeah, who is like a good, alt -right person.

[1223] It's reasonable.

[1224] I came to you because we were trying to get, basically we did the show, right?

[1225] And we started with cultural appropriation.

[1226] We ended with the alt -right, with Meet the Alt -Rite.

[1227] And so we were trying really hard to really explore ideas, right?

[1228] And I guess if there's one thing I realized in the, the wake of a we definitely triggered the alt -right with that cultural appropriation thing people were very upset that we even broached the topic without condemning it essentially and i i think there's there's one thing i realized in the wake of all of the show is like there's one position i truly don't respect it's i disagree with you therefore i won't listen to you fuck you yeah that's that's really there's nothing about that that i have any respect for no i completely agree i think i want to know how you came to that conclusion and oftentimes you You could find, I mean, especially if you particularly disagree with something someone says and you've thought your side through and you talk to someone with an open mind, you can actually find, like, the holes in their logic.

[1229] And it'll help you understand maybe you've got some holes in your own logic.

[1230] 100%.

[1231] And everyone has their own experiences they're drawing from to help them come up with their way of thinking.

[1232] And I definitely, in exploring all those topics, found just what you're saying, I found, like, the part of the gun argument that I really fully wrapped my brain and my heart around.

[1233] the pro -gun, the Second Amendment, right?

[1234] I mean, I'm still not like a wildly pro -gun guy, but I totally 100 % had this understanding of where they were coming from that I never had before that really, you know, a lot of the condemnation of the left is that they condemn identity politics, right?

[1235] And really, when it comes to Second Amendment stuff, it, and also the truth is the alt -right too, it's also identity politics.

[1236] It's just identity politics in the reverse.

[1237] It's not like leftist identity politics.

[1238] It's more gun -owner identity.

[1239] Like, in other words, When you condemn a gun owner, you, the liberal thinker, is going, oh, I'm condemning guns.

[1240] I'm condemning violence.

[1241] And what you don't understand is you're condemning a person where their hearing is you're calling them, their identity, the thing that makes them passionate, illegitimate, stupid, and based in ignorance and violence.

[1242] And, of course, a person's going to react and go, go fuck yourself.

[1243] I'll never listen to your argument if you start your argument by basically telling them their whole lifestyle is bullshit.

[1244] Yeah, there's a real problem with the gun ownership argument, and one of the big problems is the mass shootings, right?

[1245] Everybody condemns mass shootings.

[1246] They're horrible, they're terrifying, and they only happen with most of the time with people with guns.

[1247] I mean, we've had some situations recently in Europe where people driving over people with cars, and there's a lot of insane shit that's going on over there with that, and then people have been stabbing people in some places.

[1248] But for the most part, it's guns, right?

[1249] But my thought on it is always that it's a mental health issue.

[1250] There are more guns in this country than there are people.

[1251] So if you have 300 million guns and every once a year or so, one of these things happens and you have this mass shooting, this horrible tragedy, one of the most constant things is mental illness.

[1252] Almost all those people are either on psychoactive medicine, either they're on some sort of an antipsychotic or an antidepressant or the coming off of it.

[1253] They have a history of psychiatric treatment, a history of illness, of mental illness.

[1254] it's 100 % it's almost 100 % of people that are like severely mentally ill we have horrible standards for mental illness in this country for people just being roaming around the street and a lot of that came from Reagan when Reagan let those people lose yes when they let those people lose that means people need fucking treatment they need help it's a lot of them it's a lot of people that are on disassociatives they're on all these sort of psychotic medication they're fucked up man like they have real issues and then they can get a hold of guns I agree with you But I also think there's a flaw in that logic because the mass shootings didn't start commensurate with the shutting down of the mental health facilities in California.

[1255] When did they?

[1256] They seemed to me to be a more, I mean, Kent State obviously was the original.

[1257] No, Kent State was the National Guard.

[1258] I'm sorry.

[1259] What was the one in the tower in Austin?

[1260] I'm sorry.

[1261] 10 states in Ohio.

[1262] Excuse me. Yeah, that.

[1263] That was like the first, right, the first big one.

[1264] But the modern phenomenon of the mass shooting is a, it is a. A fairly modern one.

[1265] It feels like the last 20, 10, 20 years, right?

[1266] But you know that that guy in the tower was mentally ill. Oh, I'm not disagreeing with you at all that there's that mental illness is a huge part of the pie.

[1267] You're saying the Reagan thing.

[1268] I'm not saying the Reagan thing is 100 % the reason for it, but it's a big part of why there are so many mentally ill people that were released in that time.

[1269] I mean, I can remember it when I was a kid because my dad was talking about it.

[1270] He was like, it's crazy.

[1271] There's like so many more homeless people now.

[1272] And they're talking to themselves.

[1273] They're all fucked up.

[1274] We just abandon these human beings because their brains aren't working, right?

[1275] The idea was that Reagan shut down all the mental health facilities in California, and the idea was that they would be replaced by community centers where each community, each neighborhood would have like a check -in center.

[1276] And the check -in centers, of course, were never built.

[1277] So the people just hit the streets.

[1278] That was California?

[1279] I thought it was when Reagan was president.

[1280] It would be changed the standards nationally.

[1281] I could be wrong.

[1282] Yeah, I think it was when he was president.

[1283] I might be wrong.

[1284] It's all dark, man. And they never made the check -in places?

[1285] They just didn't exist.

[1286] I mean, the only thing I was saying, though, was that it's there's something else happening in America that's like almost feels mystical or spiritual with it when it comes to mass shootings because it's like there are other countries with mentally ill people that have access to guns and maybe it's that we that we have a lesser standard of care for our mental ill but Canada also has people babbling on the streets although they have limited access to guns there's something else going on it feels like to me and this is totally anecdotal in just my opinion but it feels like to me there's some things that we don't understand that it is of course mental illness and it is of course access to guns and there's some third thing that people don't really can't put your finger on which is like why is this happening here why is it happening so much here well it could be related to overpopulation it could be related to the sort of established mindset of the American people like why are Canadians so much nicer when they're connected to us like you just like if you look at the landmass there's no real line but you go across that Culturally.

[1287] Yeah, they're way nicer.

[1288] They're just nicer, you know, and they talk like us, they look like us, they pronounce a few words differently, and they're way nicer, you know, and they don't get a lot of mass shootings up there.

[1289] It's super uncommon.

[1290] It's interesting.

[1291] I mean, it's based on this, I think it's about, the connection of America to its guns is based on its, it's a foundation mythology.

[1292] It's religion in a weird way, right?

[1293] The religion of America, the greatest country on earth.

[1294] Well, it's based, it's a lot of it's based on fear.

[1295] I mean, it's freedom for sure.

[1296] but a lot of like the tactical people like the people that are like really into what happens if somebody breaks in you got to be ready you got to pull that gun out in 2 .2 seconds you got to be able to ting ting shoot those targets I mean there's people that I know people like good friends that practice that shit all the time and if you break in their house you are fucked because they're ready and they're looking for it they want people to break I know people who are asking people please break into my fucking you I took natasha to shoot guns in anticipation of this gun episode I hated it so much I can't say I loved it either well I got there and I thought I'd make a joke because you have to pick your little target so I was like are there any Trump and he was like I'm nudging her like Natasha shut up we are not in the right area and he's like we got the Hillary's coming in next week oh and I was real Hillary's that you could shoot that seems fucked up I think he was just talking shit to her for asking the Trump quite sure yeah probably but it was rough did he talk with the southern accent no this is in L .A. That's how I heard it.

[1297] I was decided to give a twang.

[1298] And then we get in there and there's like people just like doing magazine rifles and then there's a guy going through saying, what was he saying?

[1299] No rapid fire.

[1300] No rapid fire.

[1301] Because they're just like these like kids.

[1302] It was pretty crazy.

[1303] Like there weren't even dividers in between us.

[1304] Oh and then he was telling me how to work the gun and I was like he's like make sure that your thumb doesn't go here.

[1305] Okay go ahead.

[1306] And I was like wait wait where is my thumb not supposed to go?

[1307] Can I, will you please?

[1308] Because I know he didn't know.

[1309] Motion didn't know either.

[1310] Oh, you got a laugh and pointing me. I was like, can you just show us?

[1311] This is a little poof over here.

[1312] You got scared, too.

[1313] We did it once.

[1314] No, I didn't.

[1315] No, I did, though.

[1316] We each did what we got like 50 rounds.

[1317] Yeah, we bought two, because you have to buy the ammunition in like a box.

[1318] You can't buy like, oh, I'll have, so we bought two boxes thinking we'd be there for a while.

[1319] The training session was literally.

[1320] Two seconds.

[1321] 30 seconds long.

[1322] Put your hand here.

[1323] Okay, here's your gun.

[1324] Go shoot.

[1325] And people are rapid firing.

[1326] And you're surrounded by other people that got that same safety briefing, right?

[1327] And there's a celebrity wall, one celebrity, Shia Leboof.

[1328] This is not what you want, right?

[1329] This is not what you want to see.

[1330] That's a weird one too, right?

[1331] Yes, that's what I'm saying.

[1332] He might have lied about being there.

[1333] No, it was a picture of him there.

[1334] So I shot the gun and she shot it, and then I shot it again, and I'm feeling like, I got to get out of here.

[1335] And Natasha's like, I got to get it.

[1336] I just think it was a bad, I think every gun advocate or a strong gun person we've talked to since said about that particular place.

[1337] like that's not a place to start it's not a cool place it's unsafe and so we just so i think we picked the wrong place at any rate though i'm thinking about these two boxes of ammunition i'm like i can't go to the dude up front because he'll think you know i'm like a little bitch you know what i mean like i got all this ammo left you know what i mean so and then she's like natasha's like don't be an idiot let's get out of here so i so i walk up to the front and i swear i sold her out immediately i'm just like you know i'm trying i love it here you know this is my home, baby.

[1338] I like how you go black with that.

[1339] That's my name.

[1340] You go southern.

[1341] You go southern.

[1342] If you want to do an idiot, you go black to get tough with the guys.

[1343] I'm like, I'm like the wife.

[1344] You know what I mean?

[1345] The wife is like, let's get out of here.

[1346] You know how women, all right?

[1347] You know, but I want to stay.

[1348] I want to stay.

[1349] But I can't.

[1350] I got to admit.

[1351] I'm like, you know, I did say the wife.

[1352] I did.

[1353] The wife is, you know, I'm all like emotional from having shot a gun.

[1354] Like, I got to get out of here.

[1355] But really, I'm just like, you know, you know how it is.

[1356] You want to.

[1357] You want to shoot all night, but no life.

[1358] Now I'm going Italian.

[1359] The first time I ever shot one, the first thing I felt when I went into the area where you put the earplugs on and you stand next to these people.

[1360] And there was these little dividers in the place that I went.

[1361] But when you hear the, doom, boom, boom.

[1362] You feel so vulnerable.

[1363] You feel like, whoa, like if that hits you, that's a rap.

[1364] It's dead.

[1365] You are not going to make it.

[1366] Yeah, exactly.

[1367] I've got to ask you guys this before you take off.

[1368] Did you just see this Trump thing, the CNN thing?

[1369] but they're going after the kid who made the meme.

[1370] I heard it wasn't a kid.

[1371] Well, this is the thing.

[1372] Jamie will explain the whole thing, but it was a kid that they went after who had made a video or made a meme.

[1373] But apparently the meme came from a video, and the video was made by someone else other than this kid.

[1374] And they're essentially, they threatened to docks this kid.

[1375] They said they reserved the right to expose him.

[1376] And I heard he's 15.

[1377] I don't know if that's been 100 % proven I don't know if it's been 100 % disproven But I just heard that that is a lie It was a lie The 15 year oldness of this kid Well I don't know if that's the case Because he's not actually 15 or it's because now They're talking about a different person And created the original video I haven't heard this story yet Well you know the video Of the Trump body slamming the CNN Oh they're saying that that's face This is what it is Trump was on the WWE And he did a thing where he slammed the guy to the ground and so they're going to they took that and put a CNN head over the person's body who Trump slammed to the ground and then Trump tweeted it.

[1378] By the way, very offensive, very inappropriate, very non -presidential, pretty fucking funny.

[1379] I mean, I got for the president to do that.

[1380] But that's nothing compared to him talking about that woman having plastic surgery and saying that her face was bleeding badly from a facelift.

[1381] That's just gross.

[1382] Like that is like so beneath.

[1383] There's something wrong with him.

[1384] That's so beneath anybody.

[1385] That's not just beneath, like, the president.

[1386] That's beneath anybody I would talk to.

[1387] It's...

[1388] There's something deeply wrong with him.

[1389] He's getting worse.

[1390] He's going off...

[1391] He's on tilt right now.

[1392] Pressure.

[1393] Probably getting mentally ill at this point.

[1394] And he's old.

[1395] Isn't mental illness like your brain chemistry changing?

[1396] And can you imagine what would...

[1397] By the way, when the alt -write came after me for the show, I had this other realization, which is even people you don't respect.

[1398] If enough people hate you, it's...

[1399] it's got a effect on your brain.

[1400] And imagine being Donald Trump where half the world or more is like, fuck you all day every day.

[1401] Definitely more than half the world.

[1402] It's a, imagine that pressure of people, even in the Republican Party.

[1403] Exactly.

[1404] But it's way more than half of America now because it's a large number of people in the Republican Party that are criticizing it.

[1405] You know what makes me mad is that we called it the Women's March and that no one really gives it respect for what it was because it was the largest protest in our history of our lives was to an anti, basically an anti -Trump protest.

[1406] Like when that guy was elected and like we should just be talking about that more.

[1407] Like that's never happened in our lifetimes or our parents' lifetimes.

[1408] There was that big of a protest because someone was being elected.

[1409] And it just kind of gets like pushed to the side.

[1410] I mean, I'm glad it's called the woman's march.

[1411] But she thinks that basically that we, the idea of it was marginalized and the scope of those marginalized because they called themselves a woman's march.

[1412] Maybe.

[1413] I don't know.

[1414] Because it's such a huge deal.

[1415] Like, I mean, it was so exciting to be a part of that, and you saw those pictures, and they weren't just in every city in America.

[1416] They were in every city in the world.

[1417] That's how opposed we were.

[1418] That didn't happen when, you know, anyone who in our lifetimes has become president.

[1419] No, we've never seen this kind of a reaction to a president before ever.

[1420] But you wanted to talk about the CNN of it all.

[1421] Yeah, but what's crazy is that CNN is becoming a monster to fight a monster.

[1422] Right.

[1423] And they're threatening to docs people that are making funny memes.

[1424] All that was was funny.

[1425] I mean, nobody really thought that Donald Trump was actually.

[1426] slamming the person that is CNN that doesn't even have a head that has a CNN for a head.

[1427] CNN is suing?

[1428] Some reporter from CNN was going after the person.

[1429] They tracked the person down on Reddit who made the memes.

[1430] Who gives a fuck who made the memes?

[1431] That's what's crazy.

[1432] By the way, the meme itself isn't offensive.

[1433] The meme itself is funny.

[1434] The offensive part, if anything, is that the president of the United States thought it was appropriate to retweet it.

[1435] It's more dumb than it is it didn't offend me even slightly.

[1436] I saw him that he retweeted.

[1437] I was like, huh.

[1438] That's my reaction.

[1439] Listen, you are correct, in my opinion, that CNN in particular and the press in general is as filled with warts, not as filled with warts, but is filled with warts in the same way that they're used to...

[1440] As your five -pound dick.

[1441] Ew, dude.

[1442] It was the right joke to make it.

[1443] Joe, that was the right joke to make in the right time.

[1444] I didn't mean it.

[1445] And just affected Natasha.

[1446] I'm so sorry that you're there.

[1447] If you weren't there, we would have such a laugh over this.

[1448] We've got to sand them off before I see the misses But it's not that It's this new realm that we're in Where these cable networks are struggling so hard To get attention And they're focusing on really crazy shit Like CNN had a bunch of people fired For making up fake stories about Russia and Trump Or not substantiating these stories And making sure they're correct Before they released it And put it live And so three people had to resign I think it was three But CNN's not struggling.

[1449] That's what's interesting.

[1450] But they are.

[1451] They're struggling.

[1452] They're down 20 % in ratings.

[1453] I thought CNN, MSNBC, and some other left -leaning thing, although I don't really consider CNN left -leaning, is like at the top of the charts now.

[1454] What I read, and it might be bullshit.

[1455] I don't know.

[1456] Well, let's pull this up, see if you could find out.

[1457] What I read was that CNN is down 20 % since June, and that Fox is actually up 20%.

[1458] No?

[1459] No. Fox is slipped in typed in CNN ratings.

[1460] It says Trump is.

[1461] his way off on CNN's ratings being down.

[1462] Oh, so Trump said, no, no, no, I didn't, I didn't hear it from Trump.

[1463] I heard it from someone else.

[1464] It was probably parroting Trump.

[1465] Yeah.

[1466] I mean, we're all, that's, that, this, therein lies the problem.

[1467] We're all being pumped filled with misinformation from both sides.

[1468] And each side is so ideologically in their, in their echo chamber that they all accept the left and the right included, all accept the information that they're getting as gospel truth that cannot be assailed by the other side's facts.

[1469] And so nobody even knows what the truth is anymore.

[1470] Nobody knows what the argument even is.

[1471] People think if they read it, it's true.

[1472] Oh, so Fox News, CNN and MSNBC.

[1473] So Trump is responsible for everybody paying attention now.

[1474] Driven by surges for the Rachel Maddow show.

[1475] Last word with Lawrence O'Donnell.

[1476] I have no idea who that is.

[1477] MSNBC is up a whopping 86 % in local, total viewers.

[1478] Wow, in prime time.

[1479] That's amazing.

[1480] Do you watch Rachel Maddow?

[1481] No. I think she's great.

[1482] She's a beast.

[1483] She's so good.

[1484] Incredibly smart.

[1485] Tucker Carlson.

[1486] Just kidding.

[1487] He's a well -dressed guy with a great -haired.

[1488] cutting a good vibe.

[1489] Well, you know what he is, though?

[1490] What he is, is like, this odd bridge between reasonable people and right -wing maniacs.

[1491] You think he's a bridge between reasonable people?

[1492] Oh, for sure.

[1493] Compared to Hannity, Sean Hannity?

[1494] So much more reasonable than Hannity.

[1495] He's just a dick, though.

[1496] That's the problem about him.

[1497] He's an asshole to the people he interviews.

[1498] His whole thing is that he bombards them with, like, kind of snide interviewing that relentless snide interviewing until they make a mistake.

[1499] You don't think some of them deserve it?

[1500] Of course some of them.

[1501] people just because he knows that they're going to say something stupid that he can mock exactly well there's this idea called nut picking and natasha's got to go right i'll take an uber and you can stay well i'm that's totally fine this is a weird little moment in relationship no because i'm sorry i had the whole day like just by the hour you know and i i have to be in hollywood it's it's it's for i get it's something i'm doing like i'm it's a voiceover say it we could we could bring this home Tom Cruise.

[1502] It's not Tom Cruise.

[1503] She's a Scientology promo film.

[1504] I'm sorry.

[1505] It's just I have like partners who are waiting for me and if I don't get there right at four.

[1506] Wait a minute.

[1507] Huh.

[1508] It's so boring to explain.

[1509] It's an ADR session that I'm hosting with people from my show another period.

[1510] And it's in Hollywood at four.

[1511] So I have to go.

[1512] I'm sorry.

[1513] But I had a great time.

[1514] I had a great time as well.

[1515] I think we learned a lot about each other.

[1516] And here's the important thing is you guys have an awesome tour that's going on.

[1517] What did you kickoff?

[1518] Tell everybody.

[1519] July 19th, we will be in New Orleans, Louisiana.

[1520] It's a honeymoon tour.

[1521] My dad always says, Nolins.

[1522] The honeymoon tour, and then we're going to Atlanta, Miami, Montreal, Boston, New York, Philadelphia, Chicago, Milwaukee, and Minneapolis.

[1523] Yeah, we'll be in Brooklyn.

[1524] Motioncashire .com, Natasha Lajaro .com.

[1525] We'd love to see you.

[1526] But I do a set.

[1527] He does a set.

[1528] Sometimes, you know, we switch the order, and then at the end, we both come out, and we've been giving people love advice.

[1529] Yeah, we do live relationship counseling.

[1530] It's been really fun, and we've, like, helped some marriages, I feel like.

[1531] I feel like you haven't.

[1532] Why do you feel like we haven't?

[1533] It's the funny thing to say right there.

[1534] Five -pound dip filled with wards, maybe.

[1535] Did they give them a microphone and they ask questions to you?

[1536] Well, they come up on stage.

[1537] Oh, wow.

[1538] What if they're crazy?

[1539] That's happened?

[1540] Some of them have been.

[1541] One time, we've helped some people in the most minor ways.

[1542] Somebody's like, the cat likes to sleep on the bed.

[1543] And we go, well, why don't you once a week, put a blanket down, let the cat sleep?

[1544] One guy was like, well, I think we have problems because I wasn't touched.

[1545] by my parents at any point until I was like nine years old and we were like check please okay and you're back qualified obviously I would love to stay here and talk all day or at least for another hour listen we can do it another time you could do a solo podcast after we leave for another 45 minutes don't worry about it we'll be fine there's plenty of entertainment out there for these folks oh you want me to stay whatever you want but I got to call the Uber not in alright we can wrap it up I think you should take whatever you want Joe we'll wrap this up we'll wrap this up we'll wrap this up Natasha LaGero Emotio, Ladies and gentlemen Have you ever had a more awkward ending To a podcast?

[1546] No, it's perfect.

[1547] This isn't awkward?

[1548] Who wasn't awkward at all?

[1549] She's angry.

[1550] She's not awkward!

[1551] You can't wait to hear your conversation in the car.

[1552] You guys should do like This is going to be a good point.

[1553] You can tell a lot about a man how he does an impression of women.

[1554] No, man, no, wasn't awkward!

[1555] You mean accurate?

[1556] That's not accurate.

[1557] And then Dice always makes him like, oh.

[1558] No, he's like, Oh, can I please?

[1559] He makes them.

[1560] Like he makes them seem like...

[1561] And then other guys always make them seem like gay.

[1562] Like, oh, well, you must know.

[1563] Well, Natasha, I'm not making fun of all women.

[1564] I'm just making fun of you.

[1565] No, no, because I don't sound like that.

[1566] Oh, my God!

[1567] I don't sound like that.

[1568] Listen to yourself.

[1569] I hate sports.

[1570] My impression of women goes like this.

[1571] Hi, I'm Alonzo Bowden.

[1572] My dicks the size of three fingers.

[1573] All right, ladies gentlemen.

[1574] Thanks, though.

[1575] We wrap this up.

[1576] Bye.

[1577] you guys.

[1578] Thank you for having us.

[1579] My pleasure.

[1580] Thank you.