#1644 - Ethan Suplee

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[2] Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day.

[3] So what's up, man?

[4] Dude, if I didn't know who you were and I ran in you, I would have no idea that you're the same guy.

[5] It's crazy.

[6] You're a fucking completely different human.

[7] Yeah.

[8] You went from this guy that looked like you were really in bad shape to a guy who looks like a guy out of a void in jujitsu.

[9] I'd be like, fuck that guy.

[10] Let me get away from him.

[11] He's too big.

[12] You look fucking.

[13] and great.

[14] That's awesome.

[15] This is the greatest compliment I've ever gotten.

[16] Thank you very much.

[17] By the way, all I want is to look like a big dude who's not just gigantic and fat.

[18] That's all I want.

[19] Dude, you look like a gorilla.

[20] You look like a dangerous human being.

[21] Like, how did you do it?

[22] Well, over the past 20 years, I've gone back and forth with dieting.

[23] I've lost a shitload of weight.

[24] I've gained a shit little weight back.

[25] How did I do it?

[26] I think that.

[27] The thing that I've done that has been sustainable is undoing kind of, look, a lot of diets come in and say, just do this and you'll lose weight, but we're not focused at all on how we got to whatever point we were at that we consider non -optimal that we want to change.

[28] And so undoing the bad habits that I had that I would associate with allowing myself to get up to 550 pounds is really more.

[29] important than anything that I could say, this is what I did to lose weight.

[30] Does that make sense?

[31] Yes.

[32] Yes.

[33] So when did the process start?

[34] So you kind of went back and forth, but you've obviously been on a very steady course for how long now?

[35] 20 years.

[36] 19 years.

[37] 2002 was the first time I thought I really want to change my life and I started then.

[38] And how much weight have you lost instead?

[39] 2002, I went from 550.

[40] I did a liquid diet for two months and lost 80 pounds.

[41] That 80 pounds I've never dipped back into.

[42] So I was 450 and I went down to close to just under 300, then went back up to 400, then went down to 200, then back up to 350.

[43] And for the past five years, I've been around the weight I'm at.

[44] now so I've I've really gotten that under control and what are you at right now 270 that is incredible that is that's so incredible so you've lost more than 200 pounds oh yeah yeah I mean I've lost 200 pounds a couple of times but you've also put on muscle like you're a different you're different all like you're unrecognizable yeah I think listen the other strange thing about weight loss is when you're building fat and you're storing fat your body is naturally building lean tissue too just to support that fat so under every obese person there's a person with more than average muscle so because they have to carry around all their weight yeah you're naturally building muscle just by like raising your heavier arm i used to say that to ralphi may yeah ralphi may was so heavy and i was like look at your legs dude i go you'd be able to kick someone through a fucking wall if he just lost weight.

[45] Yeah.

[46] Like, just to be able to carry around.

[47] I have gnarly calves.

[48] I bet you do, dude.

[49] That's one of the few things that, like, I train sometimes with bodybuilders now.

[50] And my coach is a professional bodybuilder.

[51] Jared Feather, shout out to him.

[52] And he has a lot of calf emphasis.

[53] And I'm like, I don't really need to do that, bro.

[54] My cows are good.

[55] Yeah, you carried around 500 pounds for years.

[56] Yeah.

[57] Let's go to a, can you show me a. photo of Ethan when he was at his heaviest so find me so has this affected your work because you know you were getting roles for so long as an actor when you were large yeah i think so yeah it has there was a time if we go back to like 2015 um and i had been really thin and when i say really thin i mean 200 pounds but for me that was extraordinarily thin that's what i weigh it was just crazy and you're a lot bigger than me it's crazy to see i looked i thought i looked um gaunt god that's insane look at those two fucking pictures like like if a girl broke up with you when you were on the left and then ran into you you know at the fucking airport when you were on the right i mean that is bonkers man yeah it's incredible yeah i mean truly truly incredible that's my favorite picture and that's not even downlighting i i was an idiot and i'm not super thrilled with my hair and my head and I wouldn't shave my head because I thought the hat looked better with a little bit of hair poking out and then it got in the way of down lighting so that's not even as good a picture as it could have been down lighting that's what everybody wants for abs yeah they want down lighting yeah see the guns um so your your training regimen must be like pretty strict look at that fucking picture that is so bananas dude yeah what what movies everyone remember the titans wow yeah that that wasn't even the heaviest that that's not the heaviest i mean i was probably close to 500 there but no that's that's not even the heaviest i don't know what to point to like this picture down here is i believe after remember the titans and i'm certainly a little bit heavier yeah when you look at that and you know how far you've come i mean it has to be incredibly satisfied it's incredibly satisfying but you know look The reality is that I don't, I, I have mental illness and I can't, I don't look at myself and think like, God, I look great.

[58] I see nothing but negative stuff every day.

[59] And I try to convince myself.

[60] I try to find something that I'm happy with.

[61] Usually it's my traps.

[62] I can look at my traps because it's lean.

[63] There's not a bunch of loose skin hang in there.

[64] They're not all scarred up from surgeries.

[65] And I look at my trap and I go like, okay, that looks good.

[66] And based on that, I can.

[67] then start to feel okay about myself.

[68] Looking at those pictures, you know, that's also a long time ago.

[69] And I just don't, I cannot relate to how I lived then.

[70] Wow.

[71] It's, it's very bizarre.

[72] Now, when you say you have mental illness, meaning that you're aware of this, right?

[73] So you're aware you have a distorted perception of yourself.

[74] Yeah.

[75] Very much so.

[76] And what do you think is, what's fueling that?

[77] distorted perception.

[78] When I go back to like my childhood, I was put on a diet when I was five.

[79] And prior to that, I had no sense of self.

[80] I existed and clearly I had fun and I played, but I was not aware of my body as a thing kind of, if it is external to me, as a separate component to me or just as a thing itself, it just was and at five I was put on this diet and all these parts of me were pointed out as being super negative and so I just at five years old yeah and I really and by the way in fairness if you look at the average five year old today I wasn't like I wasn't obese at five I was a chubby five year old but I was super active and I wasn't eating junk food all day long and you're growing into your body too yeah that's the thing about five -year -olds it's like I've seen kids that look kind of chubby and then you run into him a few years later like look at you you're a beanstalk yeah yes I have four kids myself and you watch them they kind of go in different directions wide and then tall and yeah there isn't a sad thing but I I spent most of my life feeling wrong like literally that I was wrong or bad or there was some some just super negative about myself and so I still have to fight through that today like no matter what I've done I 2012 um I went and rode every stage of the tour to France or 2011 maybe just for just for fun and I could do that on a bicycle that's not fucking easy that's thousands of miles on a bicycle in a very short period of time I was much thinner than I am now and I was miserable.

[81] I was not happy.

[82] Why were you miserable?

[83] I didn't like the way I looked.

[84] I still thought I was fat and I was 70 pounds lighter than I am now.

[85] So it's body dysmorbia.

[86] Yeah, something like that but I think being aware of it I can talk myself through it.

[87] It's not like I'm hung up on it every day walking around feeling like a piece of shit.

[88] Right.

[89] But I do catch certain glimpses of myself and feel bad and feel negative.

[90] See, this is the argument against fat shaming.

[91] And I've always said that, you know, I've had more, like, I've never, I've never, I mean, I've never been really overweight, but I've been fatterer than I am now.

[92] I've had a belly.

[93] I've had, I got fat for a little bit.

[94] But not, but it's a joke.

[95] Like I would, you know, I should be slapped for saying that, right?

[96] A couple pounds on you.

[97] I mean, yes, I don't think so.

[98] Whatever you want for yourself, I think is what you should do.

[99] But I looked at it and I was like, oh, fuck, I got to lose some weight.

[100] And I went on this carnivore diet and I lost like 12 pounds.

[101] But the point is that that work for me. But I'm not in this mental state where I'm constantly judging myself and some people are.

[102] And it's not their fault.

[103] You know, you know what determinism is?

[104] Sure.

[105] Some people don't.

[106] There's an argument of free will versus determinism.

[107] And I think there's a real good argument for both.

[108] But the argument for determinism is you are who you are.

[109] I should explain this.

[110] The idea is determinism is essentially based on the idea that you are you're a product of all of your life experiences.

[111] And the idea that you are responsible for everything you do at every step of the day that's not entirely plausible because there's childhood trauma, there's life experiences, there's emotions, there's genetics, there's what you've had from all, all these life experiences that you've tried to assimilate, and those are different than my life experiences, and everybody's are different, and who you are right now.

[112] Like, someone said to me one day, and it was kind of a compliment, I can never do what you did what you do like I can never do what you do I go you could if you were me right it's not it's not like I'm not saying there's nothing special about me I am just who I am because of my life experiences and my genetics and all the things I've done and you are who you are for all your life experiences and who you've done and to expect someone who has had bad input and bad emotional guidance and bad perceptions of their own physical health and their identity to accept them to just get their shit together is ridiculous.

[113] It really is.

[114] But they can do it.

[115] Some people can do it.

[116] You obviously did it.

[117] You know, and that's probably the best piece of fuel and inspiration for anyone out there that's looking to get their life together physically, metabolically, healthy.

[118] dude how what's the best be the best is someone who is at rock bottom who is 500 plus pounds and worked their way back to like i said a guy would i would avoid in jiu jitza class i mean it's really what it is like fuck that big guy get away from me dude yeah but that's what you did and i think um in that you can help so many fucking people but you are a gift in in so many ways because what you've done is so extraordinary the accomplishment is so So it's magnificent.

[119] I mean, it really is.

[120] It's an amazing accomplishment.

[121] Not just because of your own personal health and what you've done and the way you look, which is incredible, incredible achievement, but you, you're a fuel, man. You're a rocket fuel for all these other people.

[122] Yeah.

[123] Because they look at you and go, I can do that.

[124] Yeah.

[125] I can do that.

[126] And they can.

[127] They can.

[128] Yeah, certainly.

[129] I think you had him on the show too.

[130] Robert Sapolsky makes a great argument for determinism.

[131] He does.

[132] He is the guy who I read and I go.

[133] oh shit I don't have free will right but I think that as my perspective shifts I do today feel as though I have free will I have to battle through everything that makes me me still but I can do that and I can win yeah there was certainly a point where the momentum was such in the other direction that I failed time and time again and again it kind of always came down to I wasn't addressing how I arrived in the state I arrived at.

[134] I was addressing how do I lose weight thinking that was the only piece of the puzzle that I was missing.

[135] And so once I'd lose weight and I'd wake up and go, well, none of the habits that I had cultivated for decades to get me to this bad place or this place that I deem non -optimal have been addressed.

[136] And by not addressing them, they still exist.

[137] And now here I am repeating this.

[138] cycle over and over and over again.

[139] Today, I have whatever version of free will I feel that I have, I feel very confident in decision making because I can kind of work through these ideas.

[140] But there was a long time where it is tough to have the attitude with somebody who's in the middle of it and just go like, just make a decision.

[141] It's a rough position to put them because you can make that decision a hundred times and fail.

[142] It's also your body is trying to trick you into sabotaging your progress.

[143] Yeah.

[144] Which is really one of the most fucked up things about the weight loss addiction, which makes it so much more difficult than I think most addictions, is that you have to eat.

[145] Yeah.

[146] You don't have to gamble.

[147] Right.

[148] Or do drugs?

[149] Right.

[150] But do you know anyone who's a gambling addict?

[151] Yes.

[152] It's really fascinating because it is a drug, but it's a weird drug.

[153] It's a drug that your brain makes.

[154] I didn't know anyone who was a gambling addict until I started playing pool.

[155] And then I was hanging around this pool hall.

[156] When I was like 22, 23 years old, it's a place called White Plains Billiards in Executive Billiards, rather, in White Plains, New York.

[157] And Executive Billiards was a full -on degenerate pool hall.

[158] It was just guys that were gambling, a lot of guys who lived in flop houses, they always had like $10 to their name, and they would bet that $10 and then try to bum money off of people.

[159] I mean, and it was as a young guy who came from sports, you know, came from martial arts, and I was, you know, I was like goal oriented and I was trying to be very disciplined in my life to see these guys live like this.

[160] I was like, wow, this is crazy.

[161] I just enjoyed the game of pools.

[162] I was trying to learn this game and these guys that were really interested.

[163] to it were also degenerate gamblers and almost all of them I mean to a man they were degenerate gamblers and to watch these people get jazzed up for gambling and for bets they would bet on anything man rain drops going down a window pane they would gamble on which drop like you see their eyes glaze over a little bit oh my god they just wanted that fix yes fuck yeah fuck yeah and they'd win I mean crazy they would gamble on cards they would roll dice they would do anything they would gamble on shots make a shot set a shot up they would they'd give people crazy games but it is 100 % of drug but it's a drug you can avoid just don't go to the pool hall to get talk to a counselor it seems like an easier one to get away from but the food one's crazy yeah because you have to eat you have to there was a time when uh and it's so bizarre that it came out and they modeled it after soiling green which ultimately turned out to be people at the end of spoiler alert for anybody who hasn't seen that movie it's from the 60s it's a long time ago yes we haven't ruined anything hopefully but uh there's a soylent drink which is pretty bland but they have all and they design it to like here's my weight and height and activity level and they give you these drinks and you basically stop eating um and i when i heard about that i was like fuck because i'm sober and i and i totally understand this kind of black and white like when i'm doing something I'm doing it 100 % whether that's eating cheeseburgers at 4 a .m. Or, you know, scoring Coke and drinking a lot.

[164] If I can just give up food and drink this soilant shit for the rest of my life, maybe I'm solved.

[165] Maybe that's the key to me. But, you know, I don't think that's even really a realistic thing to do.

[166] No, I don't think that's the key.

[167] I mean, I think it's a tool, you know, and you can use tools to kind of help you bridge gaps in between where you are and where you want to be.

[168] but it's again it's like who are you are you I mean for some people that's not a good tool for some people it is it's yeah that we have to come to grips with the fact that human beings are so different from each other we're so similar and yet so different and so much of your life experience and your genetics and all these different things determine who you are currently and to say just get on this soilant drink for someone who just craves the flavors of food And, you know, Action Bronson was on the podcast recently, and he's a chef.

[169] Yeah.

[170] So for him, real tough.

[171] Yeah, real tough.

[172] But he also had a son.

[173] And when he had a kid and he realized he was ridiculously overweight and sedentary and wasn't doing anything.

[174] And now he's a fucking beast.

[175] That guy trains so hard.

[176] He trains every day.

[177] One of the first things he did when he booked the show out here, he said, hey, I need a gym to go to.

[178] I said, go to my gym, on it gyms, just down the street.

[179] It's a little bit of ways from here.

[180] We'll set you up, get you a train.

[181] trainer.

[182] We worked out with him.

[183] He fucking works out hard, man. He goes after it.

[184] Yeah.

[185] He really does.

[186] I was really impressed.

[187] I worry sometimes for some people that trading or trying to handle being obese with exercise, for me, that's a scary proposition because I've done that.

[188] And the minute that you miss a workout or miss a few or you hurt yourself, if you haven't adjusted your food.

[189] Right.

[190] You're gaining weight.

[191] Yeah.

[192] So I really do, I train every day.

[193] I take a day off a week, but, but, and it's very important to me to get into the gym.

[194] But I do that because it makes me feel better.

[195] Yeah, me too.

[196] Yeah.

[197] I guess I do it for fitness and I guess I do it for health.

[198] I do it for all those things, for sure.

[199] But I really do it for my head.

[200] Yeah, me too.

[201] And I feel, you know, I'm a, I'm a broken record.

[202] I talk, people don't even know what a broken record is anymore, these fucking kids today.

[203] They don't, you don't know.

[204] have you ever heard a broken record you ever heard a record skipped you fucking young Jamie the but the message is really clear people out there that are not exercising you're doing your brain a disservice more than anything I know it sucks I know you don't want to do it but if you can do it it'll relieve so much anxiety when I talk to people that are on anti -anxiety medication or SSRIs and all these different things my first question is always do your exercise yeah and they'll look at you like you're talking to a cancer patient like how'd you do this how'd you get there why do you why do you have cancer man like that's not i'm just saying listen if you exercise i guarantee you feel it might not fix everything right but it'll fix a lot for a lot of people yeah and for me it started with just taking a walk like when i couldn't when the idea of exercise was insurmountable just how far can i walk and then can i walk a little further the next day and then can i beat that you know and I'm saying like when I'm used to just walking to my car from my front door, can I walk past my car?

[205] Literally, if that's it, at 550 pounds, it might be that small.

[206] But if you go into it with the attitude of setting goals and you see that you can achieve this goal and then you can beat it and you can go a little further, I wouldn't use that to address weight loss, but just to feel that you can accomplish something with your body is a big deal.

[207] There was a lady that I used to yoga with, and I watched her lose about 100 pounds in a year.

[208] Wow.

[209] It was incredible.

[210] And I remember I brought it up to her, and I was trying to figure out how to bring it up to her because I could tell she got, like, super uncomfortable.

[211] And I was like, shit.

[212] Like, I'm trying to be nice here, but I'm addressing the fact that she was gigantic, and now she's just big.

[213] Right.

[214] Um, and I said, I don't, I don't remember what I said, but something along the lines of, I think your, um, your consistency is incredibly inspirational.

[215] I said, I think it's awesome.

[216] You're in here all the time.

[217] But I mean, by saying that, I'm saying, you're acknowledging.

[218] Yeah.

[219] I'm acknowledging that there's an issue, you know, and that's, it makes a lot of people feel uncomfortable.

[220] They'd rather just be invisible.

[221] Yeah.

[222] You know, but I had to.

[223] I spent the, the majority of my life trying to be invisible, trying to, um, you know, I wore shirts at the beach, which made me feel like I was covered.

[224] I mean, you look at the white fucking shirt with water.

[225] It's a wet t -shirt.

[226] You can see through it.

[227] It's not hiding anything.

[228] But it made me feel less present.

[229] I have terrible posture simply because I try to be smaller, right?

[230] And now, like, you call me a gorilla.

[231] It makes me feel good.

[232] When I was 500 pounds had you called me a gorilla, I would have been like, oh, my God, this is awful.

[233] you know, because the reals are big.

[234] Yeah.

[235] And it's just a weird thing.

[236] But I think, you know, I think it's nice to acknowledge people when you see something.

[237] And God, what a wonderful way you did that by just saying her consistency.

[238] Like you're acknowledging everything.

[239] You're not pointing out to her that there was anything wrong with her.

[240] You're simply stating like you admire what she's doing.

[241] That's a nice, that's a, I think that's a kind way to acknowledge somebody.

[242] I was trying.

[243] I was trying to be kind.

[244] And I was being really honest.

[245] She really is impressive.

[246] And, you know, it was just, it's amazing to watch someone just decide at some point in time, enough is enough, I'm going to do something.

[247] And that lady was in there every day.

[248] And I wasn't in there every day.

[249] I was only going to yoga a couple days a week.

[250] And I'd go in there.

[251] I'm like, again, you're here again?

[252] Yeah.

[253] She was such a nice lady, too.

[254] And then the instructor said, how much have you lost so far?

[255] And I think she was, at that time, she was closing in on 100 pounds, which was amazing.

[256] Yeah.

[257] But, you know, you could see the consistency was changing, like, her practice, like, for the beginning of the year versus the end of the year.

[258] She was deeper into poses.

[259] She could hold things longer.

[260] And this is hot yoga, too, which is, you know, rough stuff.

[261] It's 105 degrees.

[262] I don't have all forms of exercise, indoor exercise.

[263] The only time I thought I was going to potentially die was hot yoga.

[264] And the teacher said, we have one rule here.

[265] You cannot leave.

[266] If you can't do anything, you just lay down.

[267] And I laid down and thought, I'm going to lay here and die because I'm too scared to tell this teacher to go fuck herself because I'm not allowed to leave.

[268] And she said, we locked the door.

[269] I'll kick a fucking hole through the door.

[270] I laid there for the rest of the class with my heart rate jacked up and thought, like, I can't believe I'm going to allow myself to die in this sauna.

[271] Yeah.

[272] Because this chick has a rule.

[273] Yeah, but that rule is good for your head.

[274] It's not good for everybody.

[275] You really should have ice cold water.

[276] I bring a gigantic hydroflask, like a 64 -ounce hydroflask, and it's mostly ice and water.

[277] Yeah.

[278] You know, like mostly ice and then water, because it's going to melt during the class.

[279] Right.

[280] And I was like always trying to find the right level of ice to water, so at the end of the class had a little bit of ice, but not much.

[281] But it's, there's something about that, too.

[282] There's a study they're doing right now.

[283] I believe it's at Harvard where they're trying to figure out whether or not hot yoga, mimic.

[284] the same sort of effects in terms of heat shock proteins that sauna does.

[285] Right.

[286] Because sauna is insanely beneficial for you.

[287] But one thing it definitely does is it tests your brain in a unique way because, like, you want to get out of there because you want relief.

[288] And then, but if you could talk yourself into not getting that relief until the end, you've got a victory.

[289] It's a victory for the day.

[290] My victory was simply that I didn't die.

[291] And I was really convinced.

[292] You only did it once?

[293] I did it one time.

[294] And I did it after a spinning class.

[295] It was a very stupid move.

[296] Jesus Christ, that's crazy.

[297] Yeah, it was not smart.

[298] Wow, that's a risky move.

[299] Spinning class is fucking hard.

[300] Period.

[301] Yeah.

[302] And then to go yoga after spinning class, that's preposterous.

[303] It was awful.

[304] I used to do.

[305] Well, there's a couple times I did it.

[306] I said, I can't do this anymore.

[307] I'm getting mauled.

[308] I would go yoga in the morning and then jujitsu at night.

[309] Yeah.

[310] I would just get mauled.

[311] I just like, I'm so tired to get my ass kicked.

[312] Because I would be at.

[313] like legit 60 % of what I'm capable I was like oh I have no pop no explosiveness my body's just so tired my body's like what are you doing stupid like you just killed me five hours ago and now you're doing this you're in here doing this thing that can kill you also it's so good for your fucking head though that's how I feel about sauna too my one of the things that I like most about sauna is that I don't like it I don't like the last five minutes are so hard yeah you know It's just, it's fucking, it's so rough because you're sitting there and it's, every, every impulse you have is to get the fuck out of there.

[314] The door's right there.

[315] Like, what's wrong with you?

[316] Open that door and you go, ah, cool, jump in the shower, cold water, let's get free.

[317] Right.

[318] Nope.

[319] Stay.

[320] You have a timer.

[321] I think that that is the thing that I like about exercise because I, sometimes the night before I'm looking forward to it, like I'm going to go to the gym tomorrow.

[322] First thing, I'm going to feel better.

[323] The morning of, I'm never super -amped up to get to the gym and start working out.

[324] And there's always a little bit of struggle there.

[325] It's never something I'm close to losing the struggle on nowadays.

[326] But making it through is a big deal for me. And the fact that I put – and when I string together a succession of making it through, the momentum carries me a long way.

[327] Any day that I miss it and I lose that fight, it's like – a massive swing in the opposite direction.

[328] Psychologically.

[329] Yeah, I feel that way too.

[330] I always am less enthusiastic about getting to a place where I have to work out with other people.

[331] Yeah.

[332] Which is weird.

[333] It's like that's the one where all of my bitch -ass instincts are like, stay home.

[334] Don't you, doesn't your back hurt or something?

[335] Yeah.

[336] How'd you feeling tired today?

[337] You know, like, and people say, oh, you know, you work out so hard, you must be really disciplined.

[338] I'm like, I'm kind of disciplined, but I'm kind of late.

[339] I'm like the most lazy, disciplined person you'll ever meet because I always do it.

[340] Yeah.

[341] But I always don't want to, but I always do it.

[342] You know, I'm very consistent in my actions, but there's part of me, like, and David Goggin said that about himself.

[343] He was like, people think that it's easy for me. He goes, sometimes I look at my shoes, I stare at those motherfuckers for a half hour before I put him on.

[344] Yeah.

[345] He's amazing.

[346] He's a fucking amazing.

[347] He's a monster.

[348] He's a monster.

[349] that people are watching him and going, if I need to use him just to walk to the bathroom, that's what I should use him for.

[350] Do you know what I mean?

[351] It doesn't all have to be ultramarathons.

[352] Right, right, right.

[353] Anything, anything, walk around the block, anything.

[354] Get work done that you need to get work, that you need to get done.

[355] Don't just sit in your house.

[356] Sitting in your house and being lethargic is so fucking bad for you.

[357] There's something about, like, nature or genetics or, Whatever our code is that when you're doing literally nothing, just laying around doing nothing, your body's like, what the fuck is the point?

[358] Like, what do we hear for?

[359] And what people don't recognize is like when you're laying around just watching television and then you shut the TV off and you feel like shit, like you're artificially stimulated for hours and hours just staring at things happening while you did nothing.

[360] And then when you shut it off, the reality of your actual day sets up.

[361] in like oh my god I've done nothing but I thought I was doing something I thought I was I was in a fucking Aston Martin being chased because I was James Bond yeah and the guys are shooting turn da da da but no you really weren't doing anything but you're getting this weird fake stimulation it's so bad for you I'm not saying it's bad for you all the time it's great when you've accomplished things and you feel good and you want to just enjoy something give yourself a little reward and I'm a firm believer in rewards but man when I waste a day I feel like such a fucking loser.

[362] It's awful.

[363] It's awful for me too.

[364] Um, we arrive at a day in age where you can be a professional video game player.

[365] You can have all your food left on your doorstep.

[366] Um, have you watched television recently?

[367] Yeah.

[368] I, I hadn't watched television just like network television in years.

[369] Oh, no, I don't watch that.

[370] You put it on.

[371] The commercials are all medication and food.

[372] Oh, yeah.

[373] That's right.

[374] It's fucking crazy.

[375] The medication.

[376] commercials freak me out yeah and there's so many like I didn't even know like there were these problems that existed that have medicines now like I I shit you never heard of um it seems unethical and it seems weird that it's allowed like for sure you know we're only one of two countries on planet earth that allows that I didn't know that what's the other country New Zealand wow United States New Zealand's doing way better than us by the way right I think they're brushing it off a little easier but it just seems wrong like your doctor should be the one telling you if you need fucking medication and you should go to your doctor because psychosomatic disorders are real you know and also this idea that watching something on television and a commercial and you're like oh I have all those problems real simple real clean talk to your doctor I'm gonna go talk to my doctor about this like what about hypochondriacs man what about crazy people like you just fucking their head up all day long which is a real problem with people if you if you say people, if you plant those seeds in their head, do you have this?

[377] Do you have that?

[378] Is this wrong?

[379] Do you feel bad about this?

[380] You're like, oh, do I?

[381] Like, man, maybe I do.

[382] We're so malleable, you know, that to influence us with drugs and then they hit you with side effects may include, and then they may include, what if they definitely included?

[383] There's almost always colitis and rectal bleeding and that's the one that I just go like, who the fuck wants to, that's not a tradeoff?

[384] And the thing is, it's like, may include is weird.

[385] Because what if it said, always include?

[386] Like, take this and this is definitely going to happen.

[387] You'd be like, I'm not taking that.

[388] Yeah.

[389] It might happen, but I might not.

[390] Maybe you'll feel better.

[391] Maybe your toes won't hurt.

[392] You're like, oh, Jesus.

[393] Psychosis and colitis are the two where, like, I just go, like, any problem I have, I'll just, you know, fix it with nutrition before I try to this drug.

[394] Good for you.

[395] Good for you.

[396] That's what I'll try.

[397] But here's the thing.

[398] Like, I'm kind of full of shit because I watch those commercials.

[399] They don't do shit to me. Right.

[400] I watch those commercials and, you know, I can see some girl spinning around in the field, you know, fields of wheat and flowers.

[401] I don't think I need to get on birth control.

[402] It's like, whatever she's on, it's not.

[403] So I'm kind of full of shit because it doesn't affect me. So why am I upset about it?

[404] Why do I give a shit?

[405] Yeah.

[406] Because this is the problem that I have with a lot of things that people are very upset about today.

[407] Like, whether it's a conspiracy.

[408] theories or whatever it is there's people out there that want to protect other people from bullshit and I kind of I get it I get where they're coming from but why doesn't it bother me I think though that you know and I think I know what you're talking about I think we've come to another point where there's an assumption that we all have the exact same set of values right and like when I hear people say I'm siding with science my first instinct is to ask when science developed a set of values or morals because that's there's no there's no scientific moral code there's no that doesn't exist if if you want to place some value on a scientific outcome that's a human point of view it's an opinion that forces that scientific outcome into a value system and so if you sit back and you assume that everybody innately has the exact same set of values, then, yeah, we can have these arguments based on science, not science.

[409] But if people don't necessarily have the same value system that you have, why would we want all the, like, this is where I get into people who want to protect other people.

[410] And it's like, well, you're just assuming that all the things that you want are the things that they should want.

[411] And when I hear what people should want, I go like, That doesn't really make a whole lot of sense to me. Right now, it's slightly difficult to talk about weight loss because I've been obese and now I'm not obese and I celebrate not being obese.

[412] I am much better off with the way I have structured my life because of having lost weight.

[413] But I can't tell anybody else to do that.

[414] And I don't even really want to.

[415] If somebody wants to be overweight, if that's a tradeoff, they're willing to make.

[416] make.

[417] That's fine with me. But I think for the most part, most of people I've spoken to, they don't want that.

[418] A lot of people seem to have goals that generally line up with mine.

[419] And then in talking to them, now there's this diet culture monster in the room where even that is attacked because there's a whole new set of values that are born that must be enforced.

[420] And at some point, there's got to be the recognition that we don't all necessarily have to want the exact same stuff.

[421] Yeah.

[422] There's also so much biological variability, right?

[423] Yeah.

[424] The things that would work on another person just don't work on you.

[425] You know, the thing.

[426] Yeah, including diet.

[427] You know, there's...

[428] Oh, man. Arguing about diets is another great one.

[429] And this, I really like talking about diets simply because there's, at the end of the day, it's so much safer than politics because there's no military backing up a diet system.

[430] But you talk about politics and it's like, we have a fucking military to force you to do this.

[431] the shit we want you to do versus the other military that's going to force you the other way.

[432] But diets, it's like veganism versus carnivore.

[433] If we're just talking about weight loss, the other thing, some of these things get into like the minutia of health.

[434] If you've got a guy who's got 200 pounds to lose, why are we focusing on the minutia of health?

[435] I don't know that that's the right goal.

[436] If the goal is just weight loss, I don't think these are the same conversations.

[437] Yeah, I think, I mean, I think the variety, there's so many different things that need to happen to a person to force them into action.

[438] What do you think is the key things?

[439] Is it, is it inspiration, is motivation, is sometimes is it that you don't want to die or you don't want to be sick any longer that you're fed up?

[440] Or is it being inspired by a guy like David Guggins or Cameron Haynes or someone like that?

[441] For me, for the very first time in my life, I was thinking about the future in a way in terms of what I wanted out of life versus just like what makes me happy right to second.

[442] And I was seeing a girl who I'm now married to.

[443] We have a bunch of kids.

[444] And I couldn't have a better life.

[445] Like 20 years ago, if I described to you the life I wanted in that moment, I've way surpassed that.

[446] That's awesome.

[447] Congratulations.

[448] Thank you very much.

[449] Yeah, I like, I have to take a step back occasionally and go check you out.

[450] Look what you did.

[451] Yeah, that's amazing.

[452] That's amazing.

[453] At 500 pounds, I was not thinking I can be a dad, I can be a husband, I could teach little kids how to do stuff.

[454] Like, this was not part of my, I can't, I could take my wife on a hike.

[455] I could go to the beach with her and not, you know, sit under a towel in the back because I'm scared of people looking at me. These were not the thoughts I was having.

[456] So that spark of motivation of like, what do I want out of life got me just so far?

[457] Because after an extreme diet, when you've crashed your metabolism and you then, and by the way, your body is fighting against you tooth and nail doing these things because this is.

[458] your body thinks you're starving to death.

[459] Right.

[460] You know.

[461] So it's trying to slow everything down.

[462] Slowing everything down.

[463] Over long periods, you're not just consuming fat.

[464] You're consuming fat and lean tissue.

[465] Like, it's fucking tough.

[466] All your hormones are fucked up.

[467] You're, I forget the name of the hormone, but there's a hormone that makes you hungry.

[468] This is skyrocketing when you're on an extreme, extremely caloric deficit diet.

[469] And so then you go to like just eating like a normal person and you're watching what other people eat.

[470] you're eating this and you're fucking putting on weight again like at a rapid pace and going like this doesn't make sense I thought I was cured I lost all this weight um I watched a really fascinating TED talk by a guy named Mike Isratel about five years ago four five five years ago and in it and I had tried I was dead convinced that I was allergic to carbohydrates and so I was like I'll never eat a carbohydrate for the rest of my life you thought you were allergic to I was convinced that everybody, yes, that everybody was gluten intolerant that the way that we made bread in America with all the ingredients was just poisonous to the human body.

[471] I was totally convinced of this.

[472] And I watched this TED talk by Mike Isretel and in it, it's called the dietary landscape of healthy eating.

[473] And he just goes over like, just be moderate.

[474] That's it.

[475] Just like try to figure out moderation.

[476] Nothing's poisonous.

[477] Nothing's off.

[478] Like salt.

[479] if you have no salt you can die if you're if sodium disappears from your diet you can die if you have too much salt it can kill you like there's a an amount five grams i think at one time and and this was i believe this study was done on small bodies can kill you it can be fatal so is that poisonous or is it necessary it's both this is food for me like um the way i was interacting with food the idea that that I'm a machine, like you, you're a car guy.

[480] You're not going to put diesel fuel in your gas car.

[481] You're not going to do that because it's going to break it.

[482] And I had to start really thinking about food in these terms and going like, I just have a bad relationship with food, a relationship that is giving me an outcome I don't want.

[483] How do I change that?

[484] Like utterly, the first carbohydrates I ate, after 15 years basically of being convinced that I was allergic to them, I was fucking terrified that it was going to be like cocaine and I was not going to be able to stop myself to sit there with a bowl of rice that's crazy lo and behold uh rice or pasta without a bunch of oil and cheese is not fun enough to sit there and eat it like that for me maybe it is for somebody but I couldn't do it I got my cup of rice down and I was like holy shit I'm okay I don't have to eat another cup I don't have to eat the whole bag of rice um this This was like night and day for me because for a long time, I tried to address myself with the diet.

[485] And now I think diet is the most important aspect, but the other definition of diet, not restrictive, just how you eat.

[486] Yeah.

[487] For performance, most people believe that carbohydrates are essential for peak performance.

[488] Yeah.

[489] Yeah, there's a lot of people.

[490] Even the carnivore ultramarathon guys, right?

[491] Exactly.

[492] like Zach bitter.

[493] Zach who holds the world record for the fastest 100 miles run.

[494] He ran 100 miles and I believe it was 11 hours and 40 minutes or something shit like that.

[495] Zach's a freak.

[496] I mean, he's a savage.

[497] And he takes in quite a bit of glucose while he's running.

[498] He uses glucose gels.

[499] He does a bunch of different things.

[500] But for the most part, he eats an animal -based diet.

[501] And this particular gives him.

[502] There's other people that are doing it that are eating mostly pasta, and they can do that too.

[503] I think at the end of the day, if you're a guy who the idea of giving up carbohydrates, if you need to lose a shitload of weight and the idea of giving up carbohydrates, if you can't really see that as a long -term thing, fucking don't.

[504] Right.

[505] Don't do it.

[506] What seems to work best for me, I've tried a bunch of different ways of eating.

[507] What seems to work best for me is meat and fish and vegetables.

[508] When I eat mostly just meat and fish and generally like salad or maybe sauteed broccoli or some sauteed broccalini or something like that, those things to me, it seems like I have zero issues with food.

[509] When I go off the rails, it's pasta.

[510] I'm a fucking glutton, dude.

[511] But it's not just pasta, right?

[512] It's pasta with lots of sauce, cheese, creams.

[513] Yes, keep talking.

[514] We take my pants off.

[515] Sausage.

[516] Yeah, yeah.

[517] That's the thing.

[518] I just can't stop eating it, man. I mean, I'll have a, I could eat a full steak, like a 16 -ounce rib -eye, and then if there's a bowl of pasta right next to it, I'll keep going.

[519] But if I just have the steak, I'm fine.

[520] Steak and a salad, like, I'm good.

[521] I'm done eating.

[522] I'm satisfied.

[523] But if that pasta is there, I'm like, oh, oh.

[524] And then my stomach will stick out of it.

[525] I'll be in pain.

[526] I'll be like, oh, it sticks out my sides.

[527] It's like, and I look at myself in the mirror, I'm like, you fucking slob.

[528] Like, what have you done to your body?

[529] Yeah.

[530] Because you've forced your body to eat this glue, you know?

[531] Because when you chew it down, it's just paste.

[532] It's just like fucking bowl of paste you've stuffed in your sack.

[533] I try to eat some pasta.

[534] Pasta's like the least of it.

[535] And I hate it without a ton of olive oil or parmesan cheese.

[536] It's not fun.

[537] So it's not one of my go -toes.

[538] But I do have pasta or rice or whole grain bread or potatoes.

[539] day, a little bit.

[540] But for the most part, that's my diet.

[541] It's lean protein and vegetables.

[542] I seem to have very little problem with rice.

[543] When I have rice, everything seems good.

[544] You know, it doesn't mean me, it makes me full, but I don't feel like shit.

[545] Yeah.

[546] You know, like rice seems to be no issue for me, particularly white rice.

[547] I was shocked when I found out that brown rice is actually not as good for you as right white rice is.

[548] I knew like, what?

[549] How's that possible?

[550] No, we were lied to as children.

[551] They lied to us.

[552] Well, it just seems like that.

[553] like you're eating something whole grain man yeah you know it's like lick man dude when when um gluten -free bread was invented because this happened in the midst of me becoming gluten -free and it was like a few years into it that suddenly it was like there's a there's a cookie shop there's a bakery in in west hollywood that does gluten -free pastries and then i was just like oh my god they're speaking to me and i go there every day and i would eat muffins and cakes and shit and i'd go, it's gluten -free.

[554] And I would gain weight, and I'd be like, what the fuck is the problem?

[555] Sugar.

[556] There was no point that I was ever like, it's gluten for me has nothing to do with it.

[557] Now, if you have celiacs or Hachimoto's or something where gluten can mess with you, yeah, don't eat it.

[558] But, you know, there's so many trendy diets that come out.

[559] And it's like you have a group of people that has failed so many times that they're desperate to just tell me the right thing to do.

[560] Just sell me that.

[561] Tell me gluten.

[562] Tell me I'm allergic to gluten and I'll give it up and if that will do it.

[563] Well, you know what actually has low gluten but is fucking delicious is sour dough bread.

[564] Yeah.

[565] Which is crazy, which is kind of the best tasting bread.

[566] I love it.

[567] My buddy Tom Papa makes sour dough bread and whenever he comes over he brings me some.

[568] Jesus, we make a deal.

[569] Like I give him elk meat.

[570] He gives me sour dough bread.

[571] His fucking sour dough bread is so goddamn good.

[572] Yeah.

[573] You put butter on it.

[574] Just a sour dough bread.

[575] bread and butter, like, ah.

[576] Or I'll put Nutella on it, if I really want to go off the rails.

[577] It's so good.

[578] It's so good.

[579] But sour dough bread, something about the starter and something about the way, you know, there's the yeast in the bread or I don't know.

[580] I think the gluten consumes itself and then it becomes molecularly something else before you bake it.

[581] Yeah.

[582] When it's an actual fermented bread.

[583] Right.

[584] And it's more delicious, which is crazy.

[585] Yeah, it's fantastic.

[586] It's so good.

[587] Yeah.

[588] And then we have.

[589] Wonderbread that has 31 ingredients.

[590] And it's also good with bologna and American cheese, but, like, it probably has a shitload more calories.

[591] And what do you want from your body?

[592] Like, at the end of the day, what do you want from the food you're eating?

[593] Is it just entertainment?

[594] Because I like to be entertained by food.

[595] You know what I mean?

[596] Yeah.

[597] I like to go to a place and see a fancy thing that's got all the fucking oil and shit on it.

[598] I like that.

[599] That's fun.

[600] A peanut butter and jelly sandwich with Wonderbread.

[601] Not bad.

[602] Fucking incredible, dude.

[603] Incredible.

[604] When I was a kid, we used to use Wonderbread for fishing.

[605] Yeah.

[606] We used to catch carp with it.

[607] Because you'd take Wonderbread.

[608] We used to buy a loaf of Wonderbread, and we would roll up the Wonderbread, the little balls, and put it on a hook and toss it out, and the carp would get it.

[609] Yeah.

[610] It was the best bait for carp.

[611] I mean, it's either that or like worm guts.

[612] You know, that's not the most discerning fish, I think, at that point.

[613] Carps?

[614] Yeah.

[615] Carps is an odd fish.

[616] they um you know they're really not supposed to be here they're like it's not it's not native to a lot of places around here have you ever seen those people where they're driving boats and the carp fly out of the water and hit them in the head yes it's Asian carp yes it's like for whatever reason when boats come by they want to fly through the air and slam into the people that are riding the boats it's incredible it's a weirdest thing man people have been knocked out yeah like out cold bam get hit by a fish it's a wonder that those fish are still around that they haven't just evolved extinct.

[617] There's so many of them.

[618] That's the thing.

[619] They're so prolific.

[620] They're a real problem because they're one of the weirder invasive species.

[621] Like, I don't know how they got over here, but there's some lakes and river systems that are just choked with these.

[622] I think they're Asian carp.

[623] I think that's what it is because there's that big red carp that I grew up.

[624] I lived in Newton, Massachusetts, and I lived right across the street from the Charles River.

[625] and the Charles River had this waterfall like down the street from my house and I remember being there one day who went on this little like yeah yeah do you ever seen this I never saw it that crazy bro they're nuts that's like a mosh pit of car yeah they don't no one no one knows why they do it or I don't know why they do it maybe someone does but yeah when you're when you're driving by they just go flying out of the water and hit people and sometimes they just do it here like they're just doing it on their own and they land in the boats but i don't think they're necessarily good to eat right but obviously there's fucking way too many of them so people need to eat them yeah so i go to are they edible are Asian carp edible in this video this video they do what they are making it says the highest population is in the Illinois River and it doesn't say why I'm sure the video does but yeah they're making like fish all sorts of stuff within the end of they doing them Jesus oh oh they make like cart balls so what they're look at all the bones in that yeah so probably what they're doing is putting it with dough and like a crab cake type deal yeah I was gonna say it was a crab cake but I was like wait it's fish I don't know she's saying she's gonna lie oh delicious you're putting a bunch of shit on it right it's not like a piece of redfish you just have to grill with some salt and butter right we have to add shit to our food when i when i got to this waterfall down the street from my house it was just choked with carp like 30 40 50 carp just on the surface of the water i'm like this is nuts but it's really because they're not supposed to be there like there's supposed to be an ecosystem right there's big fish the big fish killed the medium fish medium you know it's like there's a whole thing going on in this place there was not that thing They were just carp.

[626] And they're big, big, fucking 30, 40 pound carp.

[627] Like some of them were this big just floating around, like, what the fuck?

[628] And then, you know, you realize like someone released them in.

[629] And there's a, like in Lake Austin out here, there's a grass carp that I was just talking to a guy who's a fisherman who's telling me that it's a real problem on the lake because the grass carp have eaten all the grass.

[630] So now the fish don't have cover, like the bass, they want to hide, like so they can jump out and snatch up the other fish.

[631] but there's no place to hide.

[632] So now they're like, what the fuck?

[633] So they're going to go.

[634] And it'll be just grass carp at some point.

[635] Maybe.

[636] Could be.

[637] But he said it's a real issue because like the bottom of the lake has no vegetation anymore.

[638] It's all been eaten by these carp.

[639] And you see the carp occasionally.

[640] Big fat suckers just like belly up floating in the river.

[641] And you're like, whoa.

[642] Yeah.

[643] I mean, listen, there's got to be a healthy way to use those carp.

[644] Well, you know what?

[645] Someone was just saying this.

[646] And it's a really good point that like, Invasive species, if you just found a way to make it profitable to go after those invasive species, like that's the solution that they're trying to come up with with the python in Florida.

[647] Because pythons are overrun in the Evergrades.

[648] They're so bad in the Everglades that they've killed most of the mammal species and they've started to eat alligators.

[649] Jesus Christ, really?

[650] Crazy.

[651] There's a photo of this guy came upon, I think it was a 12 -foot alligator being consumed.

[652] by a python.

[653] That's how big they are.

[654] They killed all the deer.

[655] They've killed all the raccoons, all the rabbits, anything that's on the ground is fucked.

[656] Right.

[657] But these pythons.

[658] But meanwhile, like commercially, Python's skin is illegal in California, as if they're endangered.

[659] Right.

[660] Like, they're not endangered at all.

[661] Like, California is so nuts.

[662] So you couldn't ship Python skin from Florida to California.

[663] No, you cannot buy Python goods from somewhere else and bring them to California.

[664] We're like, no, man, we just didn't believe in that.

[665] It's so dumb.

[666] It's like they're not endangered, not even a little.

[667] Right.

[668] And the idea that this like fucking sleazy reptile, like this evil fuck that would swallow a baby and a heartbeat, like that's what we're protecting, but yet you can buy wool?

[669] Right.

[670] Lambs, you can just walk up to a lamb pet in the sweetest hot.

[671] They're so nice.

[672] If they had, if they did a python farm, you couldn't do that because they're endangered?

[673] They're not in danger.

[674] Right.

[675] I mean in California.

[676] It's just exotic.

[677] They call it exotic.

[678] And then you can't get exotic.

[679] They're trying to make, I believe they might have made it recently illegal to bring an alligator, which is more preposterous.

[680] Because there's places in Louisiana and Florida that are infested with alligators.

[681] So much so, have you ever watched that swamp people show?

[682] Yeah.

[683] One of the guys on that show was talking about the tags, like the allocations of tags that means how many alligators you could kill per season.

[684] He's a commercial.

[685] They were giving them 500 alligators he could kill.

[686] That means there's so many alligators.

[687] Yeah, that's insane.

[688] When I was a kid, I lived in Florida for a little bit.

[689] We lived in Gainesville, Florida, and it was right near Lake Alice.

[690] And Lake Alice had alligators, but they were endangered at the time.

[691] Because I guess people had hunted them to the point where they had gotten down to very low numbers, and they were trying to save the alligators.

[692] But they fucked up and saved them too much.

[693] And now they're just overrun.

[694] They just show up on golf courses.

[695] They're walking through people's backyard All they got to do is eat one little kid But they don't, that's not true They ate a little kid in Orlando Did they?

[696] At Disney World They grabbed the little kid A two -year -old baby came out of the fucking pond At Disney World and snatched up a baby Wow Bro That's crazy That's the thing you can't keep them out of lakes There's so many of them They find they slither in the middle of the night You don't even know they're there Like they'll walk a few hundred yards You didn't know they were in the woods and then they walk a few hundred yards, they slide into the lake and they feel like little feet walking by the water and they just jumped out and snatched up this baby.

[697] Can they make the jump to salt water like crocodiles or no?

[698] I don't know.

[699] That's a good question.

[700] I mean, if they started to mess with the beaches, that might get them shut down.

[701] I don't know.

[702] People are weird.

[703] When we decide that something needs to be protected, they're like, we have to protect it, man. We have to protect it forever and ever and ever.

[704] we never let it go like that's they're dealing with that with wolves in some places like they reintroduce wolves into yellowstone in the 1990s and they spread through Idaho and all these different areas and they've gotten to the point now where uh I think it was in Idaho they just decided that they have to kill all the wolves except for like a small number of them they have to get them down like a few hundred wolves because there's so many fucking wolves they're like decimating the elk populations and they're encroaching into people's ranches and killing steers and...

[705] But they were endangered at some point.

[706] Yeah, yeah.

[707] Well, they poisoned them to the point where at the turn of the century, they were virtually extinct.

[708] And then they had to go to Canada and bring wolves from Canada and then repopulate Yellowstone.

[709] But isn't there a point where they can say, scientifically, we have determined that they are no longer virtually extinct, and scientifically that means some are on limits to hunt?

[710] Oh, Ethan, you're talking logically.

[711] You can't do that With my friend Steve Ronella What he calls What does it go Charismatic Megafauna And that's what wolves are They're charismatic There's something about wolves Oh they're cute They're cuddly Well they're majestic man I mean I don't want wolves to go away Wolves are fucking amazing I've only seen one once in the wild And it was really It was in Canada It was real blurry It was at dusk I saw this like dog like thing Run across the road Like oh shit that's a wolf And they have a lot of them up there I can't think of a single animal I want to go away But when an animal like pigs in this state There's a lot of pigs and people have a lot of feelings About the way the pigs are hunted But there's a lot of fucking pigs They don't have any feelings about the way the pigs are hunted in Texas The Texans don't They don't give a fuck California feels a lot of ways about the way pigs are hunted in Texas They're like no, save them with the pythons And put them all in a happy family Right they're one generation away from being Wilbur Just to investigate all the pigs You know, that is the truth.

[712] That's what's weird about them.

[713] Yeah.

[714] What's weird about pigs is that if you took a regular pig, like a domestic pig, and you let it loose, within, I think, five or six weeks, they start to transform.

[715] Into those boars with the hair and the tusks.

[716] That's what's crazy is they're the same animal.

[717] It's all one genus.

[718] It's called Sue Scroffa, and all of them are the same.

[719] Domestic pigs are just wild pigs that have been domesticated.

[720] Like, if you take a domestic pig, they look all pink and white, and you let them go.

[721] Their snout elongates, their tusks lengthen, and it happens quick.

[722] Right.

[723] Like, do you ever heard of Hogzilla?

[724] Yes.

[725] The gigantic one.

[726] Yes.

[727] Hogzilla is, there's a lot of thoughts on Hogzilla.

[728] It's a super controversial animal because a lot of people think it's a prospective trick.

[729] But there are 1 ,000 -pound pigs out there.

[730] There's definitely 1 ,000 -pound domestic pigs, I believe.

[731] Well, let's find out.

[732] What's the largest domestic pig ever recorded?

[733] I'm going to guess it's over 1 ,000 pounds.

[734] What do you think?

[735] 1 ,200?

[736] Yeah, that sounds about right.

[737] What are you guessing, Jamie?

[738] Oh, man. Ah, what the fuck you're doing?

[739] You going crazy?

[740] Look at you.

[741] We weren't way too big for him.

[742] He got reckless.

[743] Knocking over mic stands and shit?

[744] I just got the chance to see the number, though, so I have a number in my head.

[745] What was the number in your head?

[746] I don't know.

[747] I didn't have one yet.

[748] Oh, okay.

[749] You didn't ask me yet.

[750] I wasn't think of it.

[751] What's the real number?

[752] It said over 1 ,000, but this Wikipedia says weight was 794.

[753] I don't understand.

[754] It says Hogzilla weighed over 1 ,000 pounds.

[755] But Wikipedia says the largest domestic pig is 794 pounds?

[756] Hogzilla was feral, right?

[757] Yeah.

[758] See, what they think, though, is that Hogzilla was one of those domestic pigs.

[759] It broke, so it fattened up and then broke through fencing and then went out and started the transformation.

[760] So once pigs fend for themselves, it's so weird.

[761] Like a switch goes off in their brain, and their fur gets thicker and denser.

[762] Like, they change.

[763] The same exact animal changes, and it's really quickly.

[764] All right.

[765] What were the guesses?

[766] I said 1 ,000.

[767] I said 1 ,200.

[768] I'm way off, apparently.

[769] Big Bill from Jackson, Tennessee in 1933, was a Poland -China breed of hog that tipped to scale is at 2 ,552 pounds.

[770] What?

[771] You have a picture of Big Bill?

[772] I was going to look.

[773] I don't, I doubt it, maybe.

[774] That's a big fucking pig.

[775] Yeah.

[776] Let me see.

[777] Big Bill.

[778] What the fuck?

[779] What the fuck?

[780] Yeah, yeah.

[781] Oh, my God.

[782] That thing just must have no life.

[783] Just constant food.

[784] That was 1908?

[785] 1933, I think.

[786] Oh, 33.

[787] Yeah.

[788] And so if a pig that size gets out, has access to food.

[789] Yeah.

[790] It's going to go feral.

[791] Yeah.

[792] And that's what.

[793] But again, this is my friend Stephen Runello, who's a legitimate wildlife expert.

[794] Pull up Hogzilla.

[795] Pull up a photo of Hogzilla.

[796] Yeah, see there's Hogzilla.

[797] See that photo right there?

[798] The goat, yeah, that's a good one.

[799] But the one hanging from the legs, like right there, yeah.

[800] See, that's a bit of a perspective trick because I think the pig is several.

[801] It's like if you catch a big bass, you do this.

[802] You hold it in front of you with your arms extended, and it makes it look bigger.

[803] But even this pig going into the dumpster.

[804] That's a fucking legit giant pig, man. I don't give a fuck.

[805] That's a legit giant pig.

[806] Look how little his feet are.

[807] Imagine that was a man. That's in Hong Kong, too.

[808] Little girl feet and giant body.

[809] Look at the size of his feet.

[810] That's so weird.

[811] Hogzilla, though.

[812] You go to that photo again of the...

[813] Whoa.

[814] Fuck that.

[815] Yeah.

[816] That's in someone's yard.

[817] Look at the size of that thing.

[818] That looks like one of those.

[819] giant cows that's so look at his balls holy fuck and Tom thinks he comes a lot imagine what that pig does oh god Jesus Christ I can't believe how big that thing is that guy's yard well that's hard to tell that might be little that's a sow too but the other one was enormous it looks like the same it's no it's different it's definitely different you see that how the head is bigger yeah yeah that's a male but the balls the balls the balls on the that thing wandering through someone's yard but that photo with it's covered in mud that one in the middle yeah it's hanging see that is that's the super controversial hogzilla photo because he could be standing a few feet back and then yeah thing just looks you don't know like that could be a 500 pound pig which my friend shot a 300 pound pig real recently they're real and um there's a lot of them let me show you something my friend john hennessey he sent me this uh just uh yes yes Yesterday, there's a place where they hunt them at night.

[820] Look how many of them there are.

[821] Oh, my God.

[822] Yeah, this is outside of Houston.

[823] And those are about 300 pounds?

[824] Or the one he got was much bigger than that?

[825] No, this is a different friend.

[826] But just the, I'm going to send you this, Jamie.

[827] Oh, I just air dropped it to you.

[828] It's just the sheer amount of, oh, here you go.

[829] The sheer amount of them in that photo.

[830] And that's just one photo, one random photo.

[831] from a trail camera that shows how many pigs are just wandered to this field.

[832] And what they, they're really hard to get close to in the day because they're very smart, but their eyesight sucks.

[833] So what they do is they set up at night with night vision and just like they look for these weird glowing bodies and they take them out.

[834] That one in front looks pretty fucking big.

[835] But look, I mean, it's one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven.

[836] That's just in the view.

[837] But they set these poor pigs up.

[838] Like, look, they have feeders out there.

[839] Are those feeders for pigs?

[840] I don't know.

[841] They might be for pigs, but they might be for deer as well.

[842] Texas is a, it's either another, there's like a tree stand back there or a feeder in the background.

[843] It's hard to tell what it is.

[844] I don't think you can do any of that in California.

[845] No, it's illegal.

[846] Texas is a weird place when it comes to hunting because there's, I'm using air quotes, hunting ranches that are like 200 acres.

[847] So basically you're shooting your pets.

[848] Like, you've got like these animals that are corralled in the, I mean, it's harvesting meat, and it's probably in some way more ethical than farming.

[849] It's a hard sell.

[850] It's a hard sell.

[851] Yeah.

[852] It doesn't seem like quite what I imagine when I think of hunting.

[853] I like to go where they live.

[854] Yeah.

[855] I mean, but those things live there.

[856] Well, those things are different.

[857] They don't look at wild pigs as like a game animal.

[858] They're a nuisance animal, but they're delicious, which is crazy.

[859] They really are, like, some of the best meat.

[860] Like, wild pigs, if you cook, like, pulled pork from wild boar, it is damn delicious.

[861] And if you have a really good chef that knows how to cook wild game well, and they can, like, put one on a traeger.

[862] Oh, my God, it's so good.

[863] Yeah.

[864] Yeah.

[865] I mean, it just, we get into, again, what the values are.

[866] California has a whole different set of values.

[867] But I also don't think we have a pig problem like that.

[868] They do.

[869] Do they?

[870] Yeah, they have wild pigs that have invaded San Diego.

[871] Oh, excuse me, San Jose.

[872] Really?

[873] Yeah, they're in people's lawns in San Jose, fucking them on.

[874] And they're trying to figure out what to do about it because they're like, they're encroaching on like the tech community.

[875] California, you have to humanely capture the pig and then drive it out into the middle of nowhere and release it, I believe.

[876] You can kill them.

[877] You can kill as many as you want, actually.

[878] Oh, really?

[879] Yes.

[880] But you have to have a tag for them.

[881] The difference in California and everywhere else is, like in Texas, you don't even have to have a tag.

[882] If you have a hunted in license, you can go out and you can shoot 30, 40 pigs out of a helicopter.

[883] Legitimately.

[884] Have you ever seen that?

[885] I have.

[886] That's how they do it in a lot of places because it's literally the only way to get close enough to them.

[887] So they circle around in helicopters and they gun them down at machine guns.

[888] It's bananas.

[889] In California, obviously you can't do that.

[890] But you can kill like 30 pigs in a day.

[891] But you have to have a tag for all these pigs.

[892] And each tag costs money.

[893] If they're in San Jose, you can't hunt in, I don't, you've got to find them somewhere else.

[894] Yeah, in a place like San Jose in an urban environment, I'm pretty sure you have to capture them.

[895] See if you can find wild pigs invade San Jose.

[896] There was a news article that showed video.

[897] I'm trying to find something newer than October.

[898] So I have a bunch of stories from October, which is like six months ago.

[899] That's all right.

[900] It doesn't matter.

[901] You don't have to get newer.

[902] Just show me some video because it's pretty crazy.

[903] This guy's sitting in his house.

[904] and he's watching these big ass fucking pigs just chew his lawn apart just in a city in the city house yeah like a suburban house nice suburban house wow nice lawn getting fucked up by pigs yeah that's crazy well a lot of them were brought over there but did we dispute this william randolph hurst was responsible for a lot of them his uh you know at the castle he wanted pigs he wanted pigs he wanted a lot of other animals like yeah this is uh city to allow archery to hunt wild pigs They said that they weren't going to.

[905] That's how you get around the gunwark.

[906] Oh, they weren't going to?

[907] So I'm saying this is like, this is October 7th.

[908] There was October 23rd said they weren't.

[909] I was trying to figure out if it said there was 24 pigs.

[910] Whereas running around, it doesn't sound like they could have caught all 24 pigs.

[911] The problem with archery in a neighborhood is like people suck.

[912] You know, archery is hard to learn.

[913] I don't want some guy who just picked up a fucking bow.

[914] And he starts launching arrows into other people's yards and, you know, hit someone's window hits a kid people are i mean it all seems like a bad idea in a neighborhood yeah you know archery is tricky so some guys uh trying to make often they have large teeth that are not afraid of people it's um yeah hunting in a neighborhood is any kind of archery hunting like telling someone they should archery hunt is like telling someone they should jujitsu fight right you know what i mean oh okay just going there there of jujit, yeah, just go choke people.

[915] Like, so, fuck, there's a lot of work involved, man. Like, you want to learn how to archery hunt?

[916] Like, pigs?

[917] Pigs are smart.

[918] It's a very specific skill that you have to spend a lot of time.

[919] A lot of time.

[920] And how are you going to get close enough to shoot that pig?

[921] Because if you're not really good with a bow, you're going to have to figure out how to get 20 yards from it.

[922] Right.

[923] And even that's, you're going to run away.

[924] Yeah.

[925] You're not going to get 20 yards from a pig.

[926] That's close, man. Yeah.

[927] 20 yards is 20 steps.

[928] Right.

[929] You know, like legitimately.

[930] I don't, I don't think, I don't think that's going to work.

[931] I can't, I mean, I can't picture myself getting, I mean, maybe slightly closer to a chipmunk or a squirrel or something.

[932] Maybe, maybe if they're near the tree.

[933] Right.

[934] And they're super used to you being there.

[935] Yeah.

[936] My dog got a possum the other day.

[937] And I think he thought he killed the possum.

[938] It's kind of hilarious because possums play possum.

[939] Right.

[940] You know, my dog is a golden retriever.

[941] He's not a vicious dog.

[942] but he got this possum and now he has the craziest bloodlust it's so nuts all he wants to do is go out and find animals like he's got like this video game he's playing it's like he's an addict yeah he just runs up to trees he's looking for squirrels and he's looking for where's that fucking where's my friend the possum like the possum lived like he didn't even make it bleed like he just kind of like attack the possum bit it and then let it go and it just laid there it's like this like possums i don't understand what they're doing I don't know what kind of weird evolutionary benefit there would be in pretending to be dead.

[943] Maybe it's something like with your dog didn't want to eat it.

[944] He just wanted the thrill of killing it.

[945] He definitely was trying to capture it.

[946] I don't even think he necessarily wants to kill it.

[947] I think what he really wants to do is bring it back to you.

[948] Right.

[949] Like his whole thing is, he's a retriever.

[950] His whole thing is bringing things back.

[951] Like, look what I got.

[952] Yeah.

[953] You know, but when we found this, he wasn't coming.

[954] Like I always go, Marshall, come on, buddy.

[955] Come on.

[956] What's up, buddy?

[957] And he wasn't coming.

[958] I go, Marshall, come on.

[959] I'm like, what the fuck is going on?

[960] And then we found out he had a possum.

[961] And then we go to the possum, and the possum's line up.

[962] First of all, possums have giant teeth.

[963] Have you ever been up to one up close?

[964] They look like predators, but they're not.

[965] They eat like berries and nuts and shit.

[966] What are the teeth for?

[967] I don't know, man, but they're giant, which is crazy, right?

[968] You think they're going to defend themselves.

[969] Yeah.

[970] But they don't even defend themselves.

[971] They just like, they freeze up.

[972] It's the craziest animal.

[973] And then Marshall wanted nothing to do.

[974] with it after that.

[975] Well, he did, but I could get him away.

[976] He's a great dog.

[977] He listens.

[978] I'm like, come on, man, get the fuck away from that because I didn't want me to catch a disease or whatever.

[979] And I was like, this thing's alive.

[980] And so we just threw the thing over the fence and it was alive.

[981] And then eventually got up and walked away.

[982] That's wild.

[983] But what benefit does evolution, I mean, what evolutionary benefit is there to just pretend you're dead?

[984] No, I mean, if most things are going to eat you, most things that capture you like that are going to eat you that there seems to be no benefit like what here google that why do possum i've already up there past it do they know uh is there a reason because a lot of animals will not that's what it looked like will not uh go after a already dead animal like that possum right there is alive yes dude that's what it looked like it looked exactly like that okay many animals are turned off by dead prey an evolutionary tactic that keeps carnivores from the consumer disease food.

[985] Most predators will give up on prey that plays possum.

[986] Huh.

[987] They go completely catatonic, it says.

[988] Oh, wow.

[989] It can take the marsupial anywhere from a few minutes to a few hours to become mobile again.

[990] While they can survive these types of encounters, they can still be injured.

[991] Scientists have found many possums in the wild wandering around with healed wounds and fractures, likely from being attacked.

[992] So playing possum isn't an act.

[993] It's an involuntary reaction to threat.

[994] Wow.

[995] It's intonic immobility or thanatosis and its body enters a catatonic state in response to fear.

[996] So they just, they freeze up like a bitch.

[997] In addition to seemingly feigning death, possums have other remarkable traits.

[998] They have prehens, what was that word?

[999] Prehensile?

[1000] Prehensile tails to climb tree branches.

[1001] They're immune to pit viper venom.

[1002] females give birth up to 18 babies at once just 12 to 14 days after conception holy shit that's insane what a freaking animal it worked yeah they're still here yeah exactly right and they also look scary as fuck like that thing looks like a giant rat yeah with i'm telling you giant ass teeth this thing had giant teeth and it was just like lying out like this like these giant teeth and my dog is now obsessed with finding another one yeah Like in the middle of the night last night.

[1003] What does it say here?

[1004] Here's a fun fact.

[1005] A possum meads white dog in the Native American Algonquin language.

[1006] Huh.

[1007] White dog.

[1008] Well, they kind of look like a dog.

[1009] They kind of do a little bit, like a little weird coyote -looking thing.

[1010] But yeah, now he's just completely obsessed with finding animals outside.

[1011] It's like it sparked some weird things.

[1012] Like, I didn't even know how much fun this is.

[1013] right so that's like his favorite thing to do yeah other than chase a ball and go swimming we need to find that yeah as a as a culture and I say need because I needed to find that so that kind of urge to exist outside or just outside of my house just doing something with my body yes this is an important thing it was very important to me I wouldn't recommend it for weight loss I think they're two completely separate things right it's a primal switch that gets activated in with just feeling your body move and feeling satisfaction and physical activity, right?

[1014] Yeah.

[1015] And I say all that and I'm like, if the dude who's a professional video game player loves to eat pizza and is perfectly happy, good for him.

[1016] Yeah.

[1017] Good for him.

[1018] I was talking shit on professional video games once.

[1019] Oh, boy, did they get upset.

[1020] But this is coming from someone who used to play a lot of video games.

[1021] I have addictive tendencies towards games, like serious addictive tendencies, where I can't play video games.

[1022] And I, but the thing is, it's like, if you can play golf for a living, why is golf better than a video game?

[1023] Because those video game guys make a shitload of money.

[1024] Yeah.

[1025] They do now.

[1026] Like, and I think it's going to improve.

[1027] I think like the shitload now is going to be more, you know, in a few years.

[1028] I think as these things get more and more and more people get involved and also in a lot of places, people go to watch them play.

[1029] Well, I mean, you see whole stadiums filled up, but there are a ton of people that make money at home playing video games and people are tuning in to watch.

[1030] I don't understand any of this at all, but this is a real thing that our kids are growing up with.

[1031] I think for them it's exciting, you know, and like, was it Starcraft in Korea where they have those giant stadiums full of people?

[1032] StarCraft For video games Oh yeah Have you ever seen it No You need to watch this I saw there was one A friend of mine's son Was at one where a guy I think his name is Ninja Won something And this was big in America But I didn't know they had Specific stadiums For video games This is wild Yeah there's Starcraft is a particularly Demanding strategy game That I've never played I don't really understand But it's a top down Game and you're looking down on this world And you're moving these players around and doing all kinds of shit and these and you're doing many things simultaneously setting you're like playing war with these video game characters and you'll see enormous stadiums like 15 ,000 people filled with cheering fans and giant screens watching this game play out the last time they're on the new game is now apparently this is not the current hot shit if you will Starcraft 2 yeah that clip we saw a video game was one guy controlling all those guys?

[1033] Yeah, that's what's nuts, man. You move things around.

[1034] You've got a bunch of things happening.

[1035] But look at the size of the crowd, man. This guy's a star.

[1036] He's walking through high -fiving people.

[1037] Yes.

[1038] Look at that.

[1039] Look at that fucking crowd for a video game.

[1040] It's not quite the Saitaimo Super Arena.

[1041] Not quite, but it's up there.

[1042] It's on its way.

[1043] Yeah, it's up there.

[1044] But, I mean, you know, 15 years ago, this did not exist.

[1045] Right.

[1046] And now they're filling up arenas.

[1047] Like 15 years from now, who fucking knows?

[1048] And you've got to imagine that the games these guys are able to develop now, in comparison to the games that will exist 15 years from now, they'll be even more immersive.

[1049] They'll either be augmented reality or some form of virtual reality or some more insanely aggressively addictive version of these video games because they're so addictive.

[1050] I was given sometimes they give you presents you're going to start a movie and they give you gifts which is a bizarre thing to happen but I was given an Xbox I was starting a movie given an Xbox 15 or more years ago and I brought it home and my wife said ho ho that doesn't come in this house you can keep that in your trailer and then when you're done it's you're done with it so I took it to my trailer and one day after work I started playing a game that I was playing sporadically and the next thing I knew they were knocking on my trailer like oh you're here good we're wrong ready for you in hair and makeup.

[1051] I sat my trailer all night playing a video game.

[1052] You didn't realize it?

[1053] I had, I mean, I knew it was late, but I wasn't, no, I didn't realize that I was there for 10 hours.

[1054] No. Oh my God.

[1055] And, and that was kind of when I knew video games were not for me. It was, it was a bad, dark road.

[1056] They're fucking crazy addictive, man. And we've only begun to scratch the surface.

[1057] At my old studio, I had a virtual reality, two virtual reality setups.

[1058] I had an HTC Vive and I had an Oculus.

[1059] And my kids would run to them when they came to the studio.

[1060] They would just run to the Oculus and put it on and start playing games.

[1061] They couldn't wait.

[1062] And I had some people say that like video games, you know, I had a conversation, you know, Naval Navarreant, you know who he is?

[1063] Fascinating guy, big tech guy, really brilliant person.

[1064] But he was like, he doesn't buy it.

[1065] He's like, he doesn't buy it.

[1066] He's Like nobody plays augmented or virtual reality.

[1067] It's just doesn't, he doesn't think it's really going to catch on.

[1068] I'm like, you need to see my kids.

[1069] Right.

[1070] They go bonkers for this shit.

[1071] Because you can box in it.

[1072] Like the boxing thing is like a legitimate workout, man. You do become inside of the universe.

[1073] And you're boxing like some guy.

[1074] Like he's in the, you're in a ring and you look at him across the ring staring at you.

[1075] And he's moving towards you.

[1076] And when he hits you, you see a flash of a blinding light.

[1077] Yeah.

[1078] It's like, whoa.

[1079] Yeah, and it's a workout, man. You get a good workout.

[1080] I have a kid who believes very heavily in the simulation.

[1081] And she's also a nihilist, though.

[1082] She's 16, so it's a weird, it's a weird time for her.

[1083] What happened?

[1084] Sometimes she says she's an absurdist, and sometimes it's a nihilist, which I am happy that there's at least...

[1085] That just means she's very smart.

[1086] She's trying on these different schools of thought.

[1087] Yes, and she will go into simulation theory, and I'm just like, if it's true, who cares?

[1088] we're here this is this whatever reality is what it is if it's fake simulated reality it's this is what we got that's one way you're looking at it um the the com I had a conversation with Nick Ballstrom once and he's a guy who believes in the simulation and what does he do that we're in the simulation or that it's gonna happen no that we're in it okay he was talking about probability theory and it was one of those conversations where I was like, ooh, I'm too dumb for this one, which happens quite a bit, you know, and but with him, he was explaining how, because of probability theory, because we know that, we know virtual reality exists.

[1089] We know that technology is ever evolving and that there's always constant innovation and then there's a real thirst for it.

[1090] We also know that wherever we are right now, if we can stay alive, whatever our technology is today, we'll pay.

[1091] in comparison to the technology from a thousand years ago.

[1092] Then we know that there are literally hundreds of millions of stars in this galaxy, hundreds of billions, hundreds of billions of galaxies in the known universe.

[1093] Each one of those has who knows how many fucking stars, each one of those has who knows how many planets.

[1094] So that means in some of these they've gone far past us if there is intelligent life out there in the universe, which they suppose there is, right?

[1095] someone has figured out how to make something that's indiscernible from this.

[1096] So if this is reality, if what we, you and I and Jamie and everybody else listening exist in, is a real tangible reality that you can touch and feel and you can weigh and measure, but that one day will get to a place where there'll be an artificial reality that will be as amazing and as tactile as this, and you won't be able to tell the difference.

[1097] Nick Bolstrom's argument was because of those facts it's more likely that it's already existed and then we're in it right now I mean again that's a heavy thought to run through and I think that's exactly what my kid was trying to tell me and that's fine but I don't know what I do with it it's just Elon believes in too by the way he believes we're in it yeah he believes in the simulation yeah I believe it's got I mean I don't know I just don't know what like if if all of this is computer generated or artificially generated then what do we do we keep doing what we're doing maybe it's the wrong question because we know for sure that at the lowest measurable or understandable level of reality when you get to the quantum level it's basically magic when I talked to Brian Green and he was trying to explain it to me and again too dumb for that conversation it did my best but you get to these super states where things are moving and they're also still and they're existing two things one thing is existing in two places at once yeah and then spooky action at a distance where somehow another a particle in a long far away place far far away place has an interaction with a particle that's here and vice versa and like yeah they're entangled yeah how who knows they don't know but they can kind of show it with mathematics right and try to show it with these calculations and cern is doing some weird shit too where they're looking at this kind of stuff yeah um you were talking before about how you had a guy coming who's dead set on belief in aliens and like yeah christopher melon all the shit that the pentagon's releasing and all of that i uh i talked to a guy because So I'm hyper -focused right now on diet and stuff like that.

[1098] But I remember reading Carl Sagan and him talking about how he thought that our first brush with extraterrestrials would be microorganisms.

[1099] And I was talking to a guy who is a professor at UCLA, Emron Meyer or Mayor.

[1100] And he was talking about our gut biome, how there's, there's more.

[1101] more bacteria, individual organisms in our gut, than there are stars in the galaxy.

[1102] Really?

[1103] Something astronomical like that, yes.

[1104] And he said that these things act in an intelligent way and communicate with our brain in an intelligent way and that there's some kind of symbiosis there.

[1105] And that to me sounds like fucking aliens living in us already.

[1106] Yeah.

[1107] Yeah, for sure, right?

[1108] We're an ecosystem.

[1109] Yeah.

[1110] And like if we were to, if something external that had no idea what we were, were to perceive us in terms of living organisms, we would be the last because we're a single living organism with hundreds of billions of other organisms inside of us and around us and contributing to us and working together.

[1111] This is a wild thought.

[1112] It is a wild thought.

[1113] And it seems like that that applies to every animal on Earth.

[1114] Yeah.

[1115] And all life on earth, essentially, right?

[1116] Even plants have this crazy symbiotic relationship with fungus and with the nutrients that are in the ground.

[1117] And I mean, when you think about what a probiotic is, right?

[1118] Like if you drink, I love kombucha.

[1119] I drink a lot of kombucha.

[1120] Yeah.

[1121] You're drinking a live organism.

[1122] Yeah.

[1123] And it's like healthy.

[1124] And it's fueling all the other live organisms inside of you.

[1125] I describe it as like you're, you got a little arm.

[1126] and you like put some healthy soldiers into your body with this with this kombucha yeah like that's kind of what a probiotic is with acidophilus whatever you're taking you're kind of like taking in some little soldiers take care of a lot of stuff yeah for jiu jitsu people it's critical for avoiding skin diseases right you know there's one of things that comes up in jiu jihitsu all the time is scratches and staff yeah scratches lead yeah and all those things can be at least somewhat mitigated with acidophilus and with various probiotics and then healthy soaps.

[1127] Like, you don't want to use a anti -bacterial soap.

[1128] Because you kill the good guys too.

[1129] Exactly.

[1130] So there's actually a company called Defense Soap.

[1131] And defense soap, shout out to my man Guy Sacco, who created defense soap.

[1132] He created it for grapplers.

[1133] And he created it for wrestlers.

[1134] And because a lot of these kids were getting sick and then they were using antibacterial soap, like they would get not sick, but they'd get little infections.

[1135] And so he came up with this defense soap, which is mostly healthy oils, like tea tree oil and eucalyptus and all those things, they don't kill the bad bacteria, but they fight off, rather they don't kill the good bacteria, but they fight off the bad bacteria.

[1136] And they keep the skin biome healthy.

[1137] And so there's a bunch of products that they've developed that are based on this principle that you're dealing with the surface of your skin.

[1138] And it's an ecosystem, which is nuts.

[1139] Like you want to keep the soldiers happy.

[1140] There's so many theories that you can run down to, like autoimmune disease and the rate of autoimmune in countries like America versus really, really third world countries where it just basically doesn't exist.

[1141] Now, I think the life expectancy might be lower.

[1142] So that's not a good tradeoff.

[1143] But when you have stuff like your immune system and you're clearing it of every.

[1144] that it's learned to fight over however long we've been here yeah and suddenly it has nothing to fight it's going to find things to fight and then you know I think that that's the same with bacteria and all this stuff and I know it's even kind of taboo in some circles to recommend eating vegetables you know I I know carnivores are not super into vegetables but even the mitotoxins in vegetables is you're getting just enough of it that your body learns to fight it, you know.

[1145] Right, that's Hormesis, right?

[1146] Hormesis, yeah.

[1147] I think that's the argument, unfortunately, that some epidemiologists have made about our current situation in terms of like constantly sterilizing our hands and hand sanitizer and also not even being around people that our immune systems are atrophying, which is scary.

[1148] Because you think about how many people, my kid right now, my youngest daughter, has a cold an actual real cold i haven't seen a fucking cold in forever what's the last time you saw a cold a year and a half we tested her for the rona she's already had it and uh she had corona yes oh wow which was nothing this cold is way worse than corona right like she's coughing running nose she feels like shit but she's watching tv and chilling yeah but it was crazy it's like oh you got a cold huh forgot about those yeah like kids always get colds yeah and you know no colds right because no contact yeah no contact yeah no So we're not building up immunities.

[1149] Right.

[1150] Yeah.

[1151] I mean, it's critical for children.

[1152] And, you know, you know, because you have kids as well, like those little fuckers are petri dishes.

[1153] Yeah.

[1154] They go to school and they come back with all kinds of stuff.

[1155] Yeah.

[1156] You get it and, yeah.

[1157] There's a huge period of time where kids' fingers are just dirty and sticky.

[1158] No matter what, you wash them all day long.

[1159] They're just, they just appear dirty and sticky again.

[1160] Like they're running around, licking their hands and touching the floor.

[1161] Yep.

[1162] Yeah.

[1163] Yeah.

[1164] Yeah, they're just, it's, it's nature, right?

[1165] when you see babies, they're always sticking things in their mouth and touching things and dirt.

[1166] It's like nature's trying to get them to do that, I guess.

[1167] I have a hard time rationalizing some of this stuff when it becomes these absolutes of everybody must do this.

[1168] And again, I go like, well, do we all have exactly the same values?

[1169] I don't know that that's true.

[1170] And if that's not true, then this sounds to me like a religious position that we're making.

[1171] but I try to understand these things and I was speaking with a guy who studied epidemiology at UCLA and he said they had a large sign that was a constant reminder to them every day and it just said everybody lies and this I think for fucking weird sign I mean this but it's it's like the idea is like because I was asking if somebody's had Corona why why why are they pushing so hard for them to get vaccinated when the amount of reinfection doesn't look to be any worse than breakthrough infection post vaccination?

[1172] So what's the point there?

[1173] And his point was, well, we, in epidemiology, you learned that everybody lies.

[1174] So your aunt who never got tested but had a bad cold back in March and is convinced she had Corona might not get the vaccine when she might not have had corona right and so therefore they're going forward with everybody must get the vaccination as this kind of but I think it's interesting to think about that like everybody lies and and I don't think they mean it necessarily even intentionally like they mean play it safe or even just like I'm counting calories but I'm going to not measure my ketchup yeah are you really counting calories you know what I mean ketchup's got calories a lot Yeah.

[1175] A lot of sugar.

[1176] I'm counting calories, but I'm going to eat four pounds of broccoli today.

[1177] At some point, that's going to add up.

[1178] Yeah, it's amazing how much a handful of almonds.

[1179] Yeah.

[1180] Handful of almonds is like 500 calories or something crazy.

[1181] Dude, when I was keto, I would get bags of macadamia nuts at Trader Joe's and never look at the caloric value of them and eat them.

[1182] Like, I could just eat this full of fat and it's so good.

[1183] And then I'm not losing weight.

[1184] Right.

[1185] And I'm eating, you know, bacon for breakfast, like a package of bacon for breakfast.

[1186] breakfast, a steak for lunch, snacking on macadamia nuts all day, and not losing weight and like fucking pulling my hair out because it didn't seem to be working.

[1187] At some point, you can't eat more than your body needs or you're going to hold on to weight.

[1188] Like this is just the way that works.

[1189] If keto gets you to a place where you're going to be able to not eat enough to lose weight, that's great.

[1190] That's perfectly great.

[1191] But If you're eating fucking heavy whipping cream on everything, this might not be the solution.

[1192] Yeah, there's a, there's no miracle when it comes to weight loss.

[1193] That's a fact.

[1194] And calories in versus calories out is real.

[1195] Yeah.

[1196] It's real.

[1197] The difference between keto and other diets is once your body gets into that fat burning state, it becomes easier to eat less.

[1198] There you go.

[1199] But you still have to be disciplined because macadamia nuts still taste fucking good.

[1200] Yeah.

[1201] And then like a sicko like me, I'm reading all the.

[1202] keto recipes of like how to make bagels with pork grinds and heavy whipping cream and cream and cream cheese.

[1203] You know what I mean?

[1204] And and convinced that this is going to, this is going to work.

[1205] But I'm eating 5 ,000 calories a day in fat and not losing weight.

[1206] The only thing that I did ever when I went on a diet to lose weight was that carnivore diet.

[1207] But the reason why is because when you're not eating the pasta and the rice and all that stuff like a salad or or anything like that, the steak itself is enough.

[1208] Like it does satisfy you.

[1209] But I could have definitely eaten other shit.

[1210] Like a loaf of bread.

[1211] If there was a loaf of bread, I would have chowd that too.

[1212] And that would have been additional calories that I really didn't need to be satisfied.

[1213] But if you're just eating steak, you get to the end of that 16 ounce ribon, and you're like, I'm done.

[1214] I'm done.

[1215] I'm good.

[1216] You know, I don't, I'm not a full, like a glutton, like what I like to be.

[1217] I am.

[1218] Yeah, but you can get to this place where, you know, your body is in sort of a calorie deficit.

[1219] And also not as much cowries as I'm accustomed to eating because I do eat a lot of food.

[1220] Yeah.

[1221] I eat a lot of food too.

[1222] I just, I've, you know, the idea of maintenance, this was something that I never went into any diet thinking about.

[1223] I never went into any diet thinking about like how once I lose weight, how am I going to eat to keep it off?

[1224] This was not a thought.

[1225] The thought was always my problem is I'm fat.

[1226] once I lose my weight I will have solved my problem and all will be well and then I arrive at well shit now I'm gaining weight so I'll just kind of do this diet again sporadically um I work my fucking ass off for a couple of years just on maintenance and not even when I was at my goal like let me figure out what it is to eat because I trampled over all the physical signs of like sati satiation Like, I don't know what it is to eat a meal and go, like, I've had enough.

[1227] I don't know what that is.

[1228] I eat until I'm practically nauseous.

[1229] Yeah, that's how I eat.

[1230] And I do it in private because I don't want people to watch me eat like that.

[1231] So to like, and I hate these cringy words, like mindfulness.

[1232] This word makes me sick to my stomach too.

[1233] However, like, if you, if I sit by myself and like actually look at what I'm eating, and eat it with some sense of purpose this has helped it's it's unfortunate the hippie dippy shit has helped a little bit yeah the hippie -dippy shit is real the problem is so many hippie -dippy people are so fucking annoying right they've ruined these good hippie -dippy dippy phrases and words and ideas yeah yeah mindfulness is a legit concept yeah but it's been ruined because it's awful really it's awful spirituality yeah i'm spiritual yeah i'm not religious some spiritual right yeah here's my favorite one i'm living my truth yeah what the fuck are you saying yeah just don't let your truth fuck with my truth you have your own truth holy shit yeah um when you said you were on a liquid diet yeah what how did you do that i was doing a movie in Romania and um what was the movie cold mountain 2002 and i had this brutal experience on a plane with a conversation with a guy who I think was very meant well but I you know honestly he framed it all in terms of like his relationship with Christ and how my relationship with Christ was clearly lacking because I was a mess and that was his value he was concerned for me was basically at the root of it and expressing that concern I think anytime somebody tells me or or has You know, I don't want to talk really about masks or anything like that, but this is also very much like, we don't all have to share the same values, but I recognize that when somebody's telling me, I need to live a certain way, this is just them imposing their values on me. This is not anything more than that.

[1234] And so I'm a little open and I go, okay, I understand where that's coming from.

[1235] You know, I don't want to upset anybody.

[1236] He had this conversation with me on a plane.

[1237] I landed and I started to think about like what am I doing like I just hadn't been thinking about it what am I going to do with my life what do uh what do I want to do like I have trouble going to the beach with my girlfriend at the time she likes to go on hikes I don't fucking go on I'm not going on a hike I don't even like walking around the block at that point and uh I called her up and it was the most bizarre feeling because I am objectively 550 pounds at this point and I had to talk to her about wanting to change my weight and it felt as though I was telling her a secret like I felt like I was going to tell her something she didn't know like if you couldn't tell I'm morbidly obese nothing could be more evident and in this conversation she was like okay what do you want to do and I was like well I want to lose weight and she said good as soon as you get home I'll have something ready for you and when I landed she paid picked me up and she had this whole liquid meal plan ready that was full of like fiber pills and vitamins and shakes and that's what I ate for 60 days and how much weight did you lose in 60 days 80 pounds that's incredible in and of itself yeah wow and that weight I never put back on so when you lost that did you decide at one point in time I can't do this anymore yeah I mean I was cold all the time and I would start cold yeah freezing cold all the time which I'm a really I run really hot like I can sweat just standing up and and this I was like not quite shivering but I was really cold and what do they think that's from I don't know just being malnourished oh and uh when I would stand up my vision would go dark uh and I had a I had a like an eight week break from this movie and it was and I did it then but I don't think I could be at work feeling like that I understand yeah you wouldn't be able to concentrate yeah wow that's crazy that you would you would go dark when you got up yeah like all the way no eyes open but black and then it would slowly come back and I'd have to hold on to shit because I felt like I was going out wow yeah so that has to be some sort of blood sugar thing I would imagine yeah I don't actually know but probably sounds right I don't know either we just guessed Like you've been choked out Yeah I've been choked out Not unconscious Not totally unconscious Really No I always tap Okay I didn't even know it was happening It happened to me once And I thought like No I can get out of this And then I was just unconscious But I remember my vision starting to go And that's the sign I should have paid attention to I flew in an FAA 18 once With the Blue Angels and I blacked out Yeah I made it all See the problem is I made it to way higher Gs And I didn't black out And then we were on one turn And I just I'm like I got this.

[1238] And then I'm like, just the blood goes somewhere else.

[1239] Yeah, yeah.

[1240] It's, we were doing seven and a half Gs, which is, for those guys is nothing.

[1241] But for me, it was like, what the fuck?

[1242] When you feel that pressure, it's crazy.

[1243] We're banking into a turn.

[1244] I wish I could remember the gentleman who was flying, but he was a fucking stud.

[1245] And these guys are all like super jacked.

[1246] And one of the reasons why they're jacked is because they have to force blood into their brain while they're flying.

[1247] Right.

[1248] So as they're holding onto the thing, he's going like this, hoot hoots hoots hoot so you're forcing blood into your head as you're as you're banking and we're like and i could see it like an elevator door like my consciousness closed in and i'm fighting and i'm going huts huts huts huts and they could get to like seven 10 nine you know like they go way higher than seven and a half what i did and um i was fine with that and then uh as we were coming in we did this other hard turn we're only like at four and a half cheese or something like that and i'm And then I got up, threw up, blah.

[1249] Yeah.

[1250] I was like, damn it.

[1251] Yeah.

[1252] I was almost home.

[1253] This was every time I stood up doing a liquid diet.

[1254] Yeah.

[1255] Vision black.

[1256] And then once you got back on food, did it all come back?

[1257] Your heat and everything?

[1258] Yes, that all came back.

[1259] But I was on a very, very low calorie diet when I started eating.

[1260] And I ate that way for another few months.

[1261] So I continued to lose weight far, far more slowly.

[1262] But then even then, I was still doing.

[1263] like under a thousand calories a day, but I was eating solid food.

[1264] Have you ever heard of the story of the man who fasted for 365 days?

[1265] And he, do you know this guy?

[1266] I don't know him, but I have heard about him.

[1267] He drank only water and took in vitamins, I think, IV vitamins.

[1268] I forget how they did it, but this guy lost an insane amount of weight and the crazy thing is his skin shrank.

[1269] Yeah.

[1270] That's, I mean, listen, I don't want to say that's something that's not really talked about enough amongst people who have massive weight loss.

[1271] And I find that people who start to lose a lot of weight are suddenly confronted with this fact that they have billowing skin.

[1272] And it's shocking and very upsetting.

[1273] And I think that guy's an outlier.

[1274] Because I did read about him.

[1275] Mostly people are going to have a lot of excess skin.

[1276] The thought was that maybe because the fact the guy was ketogenic for the entire 365 days a year and his body was consuming fat, that it also consumed skin as well.

[1277] I don't think that's scientifically possible.

[1278] But do you know of any other outliers that lost a shit ton of weight and didn't have any loose skin?

[1279] No. I don't know of anybody.

[1280] Yeah, that's what's weird, right?

[1281] Yeah.

[1282] And I was ketogenic for hundreds of pounds of weight loss.

[1283] and still had loose skin.

[1284] And then I got skin surgery and then gained weight again.

[1285] Like I've done every awful thing you could do with weight loss.

[1286] I think it's more than even ketogenic because this guy's body was literally living off itself.

[1287] It's not like he was taking in macadamia nuts or whatever.

[1288] He's living off his own tissue.

[1289] And I wonder if that was the catalyst.

[1290] I just don't think skin is bioavailable in that way.

[1291] But muscle is.

[1292] Muscle is and fat is, but I don't think you can, I don't think you can disintegrate, like, consume your skin in that way.

[1293] From what I've read, skin as an organ is elastic, and when you fill it up, it's built to be stretched.

[1294] But if you keep it filled up for too long, and it can't stretch from that point, it then goes like, oh, shit, we have a new settling point.

[1295] We're going to now grow to this size and so that we can be elastic again.

[1296] Because your body, unfortunately, will always store fat.

[1297] Your body wants to store fat, you know.

[1298] Your body understands famine and it understands when there's excess.

[1299] You store it if you can.

[1300] Like, you want to do that, you know.

[1301] Your body's not concerned with being thin and looking good.

[1302] Your body wants to stay alive.

[1303] It doesn't give a fuck.

[1304] And being fat will save you if there's a famine.

[1305] and it takes a hell of a lot longer to kill you than starving.

[1306] You can starve to death pretty quick.

[1307] Isn't that crazy that your body lives in the same space as your brain?

[1308] Your brain wants you to look good.

[1309] Right.

[1310] But your body's like, shut the fuck up and make me fat.

[1311] Yeah.

[1312] This food's going to go away.

[1313] Yeah.

[1314] The five days worth of food you can get at the gas station for two bucks, that's going to go away.

[1315] It's going to disappear.

[1316] You're going to starve.

[1317] Eat it all.

[1318] Store the fat.

[1319] You'll be safe.

[1320] What a weird battle.

[1321] Yeah.

[1322] Your brain and your body.

[1323] play with each other.

[1324] It really is strange.

[1325] It's fucked.

[1326] And then if you want to lose weight and retain muscle mass, you've got to convince your body that you're doing shit with it to survive.

[1327] So you've got to lift heavy things so that your body doesn't consume your muscles.

[1328] Those are like the key things to if you want to lose weight because muscle requires energy.

[1329] It requires food so you can eat a little bit more if you have a little bit more muscle.

[1330] This is the benefit of having muscles yeah and the what it takes to gain muscle most people don't understand they think you lift weights you gain muscle like no no no you have to lift weights and then you have to tell your body hey motherfucker we're going to do this all the time you better grow and it's going to get heavier and it's going to suck yeah you have to feel like oh you're stretching and everything's sore and that is the only way your body's like okay this asshole is just going to pick up heavy things every fucking day we we need more resources we need more tissue yeah that's it and then your appetite kicks in yeah yeah and you're eating more oh yeah when i lift weights especially heavy i am so fucking hungry yeah because your body's like hey bitch time to grow you're gonna make me do this yeah why are we carrying things don't don't isn't isn't this a new world we have machines to carry things right you're you should be playing video games what's wrong with you why you farmer walking with two 72 pound kettlebells you piece of shit and didn't you know at the guy maybe you have an electric car but at the gas station yeah You can get all the food you need for the month, and it won't go bad for 20 bucks.

[1331] What is happening to that stuff inside your body?

[1332] It's fermenting.

[1333] It's turning to formaldehyde.

[1334] I avoid that stuff as often as possible, but every time I do eat processed food, my body's like, what is this nonsense?

[1335] Yeah.

[1336] I have a weird thing where I can eat sugar if I'm in the gym.

[1337] Like, if I'm in the gym, lifting weights, and I have a gatorade, I feel fucking awesome.

[1338] I feel like Superman.

[1339] Yeah.

[1340] If I have a Gatorade late at night or a bowl of ice cream, I wake up hungover and feel like I'm dying.

[1341] It's crazy.

[1342] Yeah.

[1343] When I eat ice cream and then go to bed, I will have this horrible feeling in the middle of the night where my stomach's like, yeah.

[1344] Yeah.

[1345] And I almost have a headache.

[1346] Yeah.

[1347] You know, like it's just your body doesn't want.

[1348] But a hard weightlifting session and then a Snickers bar, like you feel pretty fucking good.

[1349] Because you can use it.

[1350] Yeah.

[1351] You actually can use it.

[1352] When I was riding bikes a lot, some of the old pros would say, like, at a lot.

[1353] And I'd have, like, you know, non -GMO fucking health bars and electrolytes without sugar and all of this stuff.

[1354] And we get to the top of the hill and they'd have a Snickers and a Coke.

[1355] And they would literally say, like, this is the perfect, perfect meal for right now.

[1356] Yeah, that's what Floyd Mayweather uses.

[1357] After it works out, he drinks Coke.

[1358] Yeah.

[1359] Which is crazy.

[1360] And his body, it's like rocket fuel.

[1361] It's high octane.

[1362] I don't actually know how gas works, but it's something that sounds like high octane is for a fast car.

[1363] I know it's a thing that trainers actually recommend, which is nuts.

[1364] They'll tell you, yeah, a sugary soft drink is actually very good after a workout.

[1365] Yeah.

[1366] Like, what?

[1367] I mean, this is the idea that food is fuel, right?

[1368] That we are actually, could you imagine if every night the leftover gas in your car would make your car heavier and you'd still need to put gas in the next day?

[1369] Like, you would start to fucking figure out exactly how much gas you needed.

[1370] Yeah.

[1371] We don't do that.

[1372] Right, right.

[1373] You'd be like, with this fucking stupid car is so fat.

[1374] Yeah.

[1375] I can't, I would like to drive to your house, mom, but my car's fat.

[1376] It's slow.

[1377] It'll never make it.

[1378] I've been overgassing it for years.

[1379] It's got clogged fucking hoses.

[1380] There's wheels hurt.

[1381] Yeah.

[1382] It's just miserable.

[1383] It's riding low.

[1384] They're all fucking half deflated.

[1385] Yeah, treating your body like a machine.

[1386] Like, I always call my body my meat vehicle.

[1387] Yeah.

[1388] But, like, treating it like a machine is so difficult because it's interconnected with all these feelings, pangs, hunger pangs, and there's so much going on, emotions.

[1389] And in America, we celebrate everything with food.

[1390] Oh, yeah.

[1391] Like, every holiday is about food.

[1392] I get so over it at Thanksgiving.

[1393] Like, we're going to do this again.

[1394] And then Christmas is just a string of events where we're eating.

[1395] Yeah, the turkey industry celebrates Thanksgiving.

[1396] The turkey industry, and then the pumpkin industry is really pumped about October.

[1397] Yeah.

[1398] And Halloween rolls around.

[1399] Like, who the fuck else would be buying pumpkins?

[1400] Yeah.

[1401] You know, if there wasn't for Halloween, how many pumpkins will we sell in this country?

[1402] Three?

[1403] Three pumpkins?

[1404] Pumpkin pie, I guess, actually.

[1405] Pumpkin pie is pretty good.

[1406] Pretty goddamn good.

[1407] But you don't want to eat it all the time.

[1408] I mean, I don't.

[1409] If it's right there, some whipped cream.

[1410] spaghetti squash, why can I say that, spaghetti squash with mariner sauce is almost as good as pasta.

[1411] Yeah.

[1412] Sometimes better.

[1413] Have you ever had these kelp noodles?

[1414] No. There are kelp noodles nowadays and one of my kids was eating them and I was just like, this is stupid, kelp noodles are stupid.

[1415] But then I tried them and I couldn't, I mean, they're not exactly the same, there's a little bit more of a crunch.

[1416] So you imagine if it's like super al dente pasta.

[1417] But they're fucking good You put some tomato sauce on them Really?

[1418] It's pretty good, yeah I've had hemp pasta Okay I like hemp pasta Is that lower in calories?

[1419] I don't know I think it has protein though Right That's the thing about hemp pasta There used to be There's a protein spaghetti That I used to buy But oh my God The farts Yeah They were out of this world They're like What is happening in my body But it might have been I would eat this protein pasta With mariner sauce with tuna And this is when I was a young single man Yeah I would boil the pasta, and then I would take the sauce and dump a can of tuna into the sauce, stir it out, pour it on together, and then just thank God I was alone.

[1420] Right.

[1421] But that's a ton of protein.

[1422] Yeah.

[1423] Oh, a ton of protein.

[1424] But, yeah, I don't think my body enjoyed it.

[1425] And I don't know if it was the pasta or the combination of the pasta with the sauce and the tuna as well, but altogether.

[1426] When I upped my protein, I started, like, paying attention to how much protein I got every day.

[1427] and I actually had to increase my protein.

[1428] If I would fuck up and miss a meal and wind up with like, I got 100 grams of protein left towards the end of the day and I'd eat it all at once, which is a fucking shitload of protein to consume at one time, the gas, everybody in my house would be furious with me. I mean, like, really fucking awful.

[1429] So that, you know, and I have my coach, Jared Feather, again, amazing guy, he would program me and he would say, no, like, you eat 25 grams in this meal and 50 grams in this meal and spread it out throughout the day.

[1430] And I'd go like, yeah, okay, but if I get to the end of the day and I've only eaten one meal, I'll just eat everything then because I kind of like just fucking eating till I'm stuffed and he'd go, that's a bad idea for a number of reasons.

[1431] I go, okay, but like, does it really matter?

[1432] And then the gas actually got me to spread it out, which is beneficial.

[1433] Have you ever heard of the warrior diet?

[1434] That's when people eat one meal a day.

[1435] Yes.

[1436] Yeah.

[1437] If I was going to try to cram 250 to 270 grams of protein into one meal a day, it would be a disaster.

[1438] Yeah.

[1439] It would be a fucking disaster.

[1440] I think that goes to the biodiversity thing.

[1441] Like, some people can do it.

[1442] Yeah.

[1443] Some people like it that way.

[1444] I know quite a few people that eat one strong meal a day.

[1445] Yeah.

[1446] Mark Sisson, wasn't he saying that?

[1447] Wasn't Mark saying he eats one meal a day often?

[1448] Yeah, he's the guy that wrote that book.

[1449] the primal blueprint.

[1450] And he had all sorts of arthritis and all sorts of issues with his joints and cut out for him, I mean, this is like his thing, he cut out all bread, all pasta, all grains, and just started eating completely unprocessed food, eats a lot of grass -fed steak, eats a lot of just vegetables, and it all went away.

[1451] And then he feels infinitely better and wrote this book about how, you know, how, you know, to cook and how to eat with completely unprocessed food.

[1452] But he now, but he's in his 60s, very fit.

[1453] He's my canary in a coal mine.

[1454] When I see a dude in his 60s, it gets after as much as that guy does.

[1455] But he exercises, but he doesn't kill himself, but he looks great.

[1456] He's got a full six -pack.

[1457] As far as like an older guy, he looks amazing.

[1458] And I'm pretty sure he only eats once a day for the most part.

[1459] Occasionally he'll have a light breakfast or something like that, but he's got his body kind of dialed in to where he needs it and what to eat.

[1460] Most of my friends, though, that are athletes, particularly fighters, they eat all throughout the day.

[1461] They eat multiple, a lot of them carry around those little Tupperware containers and they'll eat, you know, multiple meals.

[1462] I take that to work.

[1463] I don't fuck with food at work anymore.

[1464] Craft service.

[1465] Yeah, I don't fuck with it.

[1466] It's deadly, dude.

[1467] It's deadly.

[1468] You start grazing.

[1469] Yeah.

[1470] I see people just walking by that craft service.

[1471] Like, hmm, what do we got here in bagel?

[1472] M &M's.

[1473] And then they like serve a weird meal.

[1474] They come around with sandwiches halfway through the morning and there's still the table over there.

[1475] It's psychotic how much.

[1476] And in fairness, like a grip or an electrician who's picking up heavy things all day, I understand that guy needs to eat throughout the day.

[1477] But like I who am a fucking dumb actor who mostly just standing around saying words, like it's not physically demanding.

[1478] Right.

[1479] It's like a luxury thing though.

[1480] They want you to feel like you're catered to, like if you went to a resort and they walk by, which likes my ice cream.

[1481] Like, yes, I would.

[1482] I'm on vacation.

[1483] Anything you can think of, we have it somewhere.

[1484] Yeah.

[1485] Yeah.

[1486] It's, um, those habits that people develop at work, like I knew a lot of people that would act and they would be on sets and they would gain weight.

[1487] Like, every time they would be on a set because they just would, that craft service pay, the table, those set up, especially if it's a good craft service one with the bagels and the and fucking hard to avoid man yeah especially in the morning when you're tired when I'm tired I have fucking zero willpower yeah when I'm tired like when I come home and I'm hungry I'm tired it's like fast food whatever there's like it's been proven I believe that your body reacts differently to cravings when you're tired you make poor choices yeah this is this is a this is one of the habits that I've worked on really hard at changing is like I don't do anything hungry and I don't let I don't go to the grocery store hungry I don't start cooking hungry yeah if i start cooking my dinner and i'm starving my my pour of the olive oil is heavier you know what i mean my my my portion of the of the rice i'm smashing it into that cup to make sure the cup has really two cups in it like just accidentally yeah what kind of exercise you do in these days i just lift weights just weights that's it yeah every six days a week and and for cardio it's mostly walking around.

[1488] I take my dogs on a walk.

[1489] I get on an elliptical machine, but I'm never doing like hit type stuff.

[1490] I like ellipticals for, you could pretend you're working out, like you're working out, but you can watch TV.

[1491] Yeah.

[1492] Because like, you just kind of can get into a movie.

[1493] And next thing you know, you're like, oh, fucking 150 beats a minute.

[1494] Look at me. I'm getting after it.

[1495] Yeah.

[1496] My heart rate spiked.

[1497] I can do an elliptical for a long time.

[1498] And it doesn't, it doesn't, it's like I don't want my heart rate too high.

[1499] So if I'm trying to keep it steady, that's a great thing to do.

[1500] Why do you want your heart rate low?

[1501] I just don't want to tap into any, I don't want to like for the time being.

[1502] If I'm like when I was just hyper focused on I want to lose weight, I just want to get small.

[1503] Then I was, I had a lot more cardio in my, in my routine.

[1504] And right now, I want to preserve every single gram of muscle I have.

[1505] I don't want to give it up.

[1506] So, and since I've been basically in some kind of caloric deficit for so long.

[1507] If I work too hard or if the deficit slips too much, it's going to tap into.

[1508] It's going to use some lean tissue too.

[1509] So you're just getting jacked right now.

[1510] That's it.

[1511] I just want abs, dude.

[1512] I didn't, I got to 200 pounds.

[1513] I was doing eight hours of cardio a day on a bike and I didn't have abs.

[1514] And it was really fucking disappointing.

[1515] Now, all of that said, I have loose skin.

[1516] So it's like, you see those big muscle guys in loose shirts and they don't, they just, that's still what I got because I got loose skin hangover.

[1517] But downlighting, you get all the right things.

[1518] You can see it.

[1519] You can see abs, which is nice.

[1520] Are you doing a lot of abdominal exercises?

[1521] None.

[1522] None.

[1523] Almost none.

[1524] How come?

[1525] I just, I just not, I feel like I get them with bench press and squats.

[1526] They're all kind of activated.

[1527] a little bit, but I'm not hyper -focused on doing abs.

[1528] I'm also not building muscle right now.

[1529] I think, I mean, you can get abs just by being lean.

[1530] Yeah.

[1531] You will look good.

[1532] Yeah.

[1533] By being lean.

[1534] But if you want, like, thick, boom, boom.

[1535] Like distended, yeah.

[1536] Big muscles.

[1537] You got to do it.

[1538] Yeah.

[1539] I also, I do it because it protects everything, too.

[1540] It protects my spine.

[1541] It protects, you know, like.

[1542] Like your super core.

[1543] Yeah, really, because everything I do, whether it's kickboxing or jiu -jitsu, it's very core -focused.

[1544] Yeah.

[1545] So, like, it makes a big difference to have a strong back and strong abs.

[1546] So I do a lot of reverse hyper.

[1547] I use that machine a lot.

[1548] I do sit -ups on that, you know, that thing, what's it called the glute ham GHB?

[1549] Yeah, I know what you're talking about.

[1550] It looks like a really extended sit -up, right?

[1551] Yeah.

[1552] Yeah.

[1553] It's exactly.

[1554] I do a lot of those, and I do back extensions on those two.

[1555] And so I do, that's all, you know, so I'm working my lower back with a reverse hyper.

[1556] I'm working it again with the back extensions.

[1557] I'm doing my abs with that.

[1558] And then I have, you ever seen an ab mat?

[1559] You know what those are?

[1560] Rogue makes it.

[1561] Rogue fitness.

[1562] I love it.

[1563] It's crazy, this little hump.

[1564] It's not high.

[1565] It's just little hump.

[1566] But it makes such a difference.

[1567] and like a sit -up.

[1568] Because if your back is flat on the ground, it's so much easier to sit up than it is with just this little hump.

[1569] Right.

[1570] It's so strange.

[1571] Yeah.

[1572] Like you would think, like, what is this little bitch -ass hump?

[1573] That doesn't matter, but it does.

[1574] That thing right there.

[1575] That's what I have.

[1576] That little hump, when you go down, first of all, it protects your butt and keeps you from getting torn up on the floor.

[1577] But that thing right there, the ab mat.

[1578] I fucking love that thing.

[1579] I like the crack there, too.

[1580] That's convenient.

[1581] Yeah, where your legs and your old saccharoonie.

[1582] You can sort of nestle itself in the middle there.

[1583] But when you use that for sit -ups, it makes the sit -ups more demanding.

[1584] And then I do these other sit -ups with kettlebells.

[1585] I forget what they're called.

[1586] There's a name for it.

[1587] Like where it's on your chest?

[1588] No. No, I put my feet into sit -up, in two kettlebells.

[1589] So I'll take like two 50s and I'll hang them over my toes.

[1590] And then I'll take two other 50s and I'll sit back and I'll sit up.

[1591] with the kettlebells so I'll force myself to like press these kettlebells and then I'm raising it up so it's a strong abdominal exercise that you really can only do like 10 reps or so in right yeah it's just really good for developing all that muscle and then I do I love Turkish get -ups too yeah because Turkish get -ups works the whole core yeah those are gnarly I did I did read an article once um years ago when I was super cardio focus that said that this like overweight power lifter really wanted abs and the way he got him is he did this kettlebell thing where he did a thousand swings a day for 10 days and I did that and I didn't get abs and I was like fucking I'm over it this is bullshit how was he doing it how did he get a thousand swings a day for 10 days and that gave him abs I don't know because that's not the way it works but this was back in the day where I wasn't really paying attention to like how stuff actually worked I mean it does engage it doesn't it engages your abs for sure yeah I would I Imagine it's more like your lower back and your hams.

[1592] I couldn't sit on a toilet on day three.

[1593] It was awful.

[1594] Hamstrings?

[1595] Yeah.

[1596] Really?

[1597] It was all hamstrings.

[1598] I mean, that was the thing that fired the most for me was hamstrings.

[1599] And by the 10th day, they were okay again.

[1600] But day three and four, I wasn't sitting down.

[1601] It was really painful.

[1602] When I realized how weak my hamstrings are, was when I got this device called a monkey feet.

[1603] You know what monkey feet is?

[1604] No. It's the thing you strap onto your foot and you put a dumbbell in it.

[1605] so like your foot is grabbing and then I'll do like leg curls like I would do arm curls with my my legs and I'm like Jesus Christ I'm so weak like I thought my legs are strong as fuck yeah but like doing curls with my legs doing that it's very weak but it also allows you to do things for your hip flexors so you can lift like knee raises yeah while holding on to like a 35 pound dumbbell with this thing at the bottom of your foot and some guys work up to 45 pounds 55 pounds and you could really build the muscle tissue in your hamstrings and your hip flexors in a way that you kind of can do with what by holding something in your arm yeah i do mostly um straight like deadlifts for hamstrings are good too yeah but again i thought it was a lot stronger i thought my hamstrings are a lot stronger than they were and in jiu jihitsu hamstrings really come into play because you you want to squeeze someone and hold them in place and you sort of develop that strength just from grappling but you certainly can enhance it with lifting weights with your hamstrings, but I think the best way I've found is with these monkey feet things because it forces it to act as an individual unit.

[1606] It forces it to balance the weight and maneuver it, and I think it gets all those stabilizing muscles.

[1607] I was, I trained with Eddie Bravo a long time ago, and I have gigantic legs, very, very strong legs, as you know, somebody who carried around 550 pounds would have.

[1608] And, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, would go around to other places whenever I'd travel, I'd find somebody and go do a private somewhere.

[1609] And I was like, I'm going to throw fucking lockdown on Marcelo Garcia and see if my legs are really strong.

[1610] They weren't shit.

[1611] Nothing.

[1612] They did nothing.

[1613] He was like, oh, that hook, that's interesting.

[1614] And just fucking came right out.

[1615] You're talking about the master.

[1616] I know.

[1617] I mean, Marcelo Garcia.

[1618] I didn't think I was going to actually do anything beyond that.

[1619] I just thought I could throw the lockdown on him and hold him in place and show him like, this is what real strong legs are because he's got pretty good calves too oh my god that's a big part of marcello's game is his control with his legs yeah and his arms are not big they're very small and that's one of the reasons why they're very big but that's all genetic right and that's one of the reasons why marcello always avoids what he calls strong man moves right like marcello never uses kumoras because he feels like kamas are a strong man move right which is really interesting but a lot of guys who even like gab tuttle who's the head coach at uh 10th planet in austin he uses Kimoras and he's a small guy but he likes Kimuras to set up other things so he uses Camaras because when you have to defend Camoras then it sets up back attacks it sets up arm bars and triangles there's different things that happen so as you clamp onto that Camorra and pull it the guy has to react and then you use that because it's a very predictable action right if you have a hold of a person's arm and you're threatening with a Camora there's not a whole lot of things they have to do or they can do, rather.

[1620] You know, so you've got this thing and you're yanking it back like that.

[1621] Like, they kind of have to do this.

[1622] Right.

[1623] So as you anticipate that, then you transition to a triangle or you transition to something else or take the back.

[1624] Like, there's a whole series.

[1625] I think David Avalon has a whole series of Camura traps and how the, you know, they call it a, you know, Camor a trap.

[1626] Yeah.

[1627] You're setting up.

[1628] You're using this attack and you can finish with that attack if you get it, but you're setting up a bunch of other stuff.

[1629] Right.

[1630] But Marcello didn't even fuck with it.

[1631] He's like, I'm just strangling.

[1632] bitches.

[1633] Right.

[1634] I'm just going to hold them with my legs and strangled me. Yeah, I'm just going to, his his arm bars are great.

[1635] Everything is great for sure, but man, he would get your back.

[1636] Marcello got the back.

[1637] I remember I was in Brazil in 2003 and I saw him put Shaolin to sleep.

[1638] He arm dragged, and no one knew who Marcello was at the time, but he arm dragged him and then took the back and the two of them were rolling.

[1639] They're spinning on the mat.

[1640] And by the time the spin was done, Shaolin was unconscious.

[1641] It was wild.

[1642] That's awesome.

[1643] And it was quick.

[1644] See if you could find that.

[1645] He was Marcello Garcia versus Shaolin 2003 Abu Dhabi.

[1646] And I remember being, I was right there, man. I was in the stands like 20 yards away watching him do this.

[1647] Yeah.

[1648] Watch this.

[1649] So they're tying up.

[1650] Look at this.

[1651] Arm drag.

[1652] Take the back and spin, spin, spin, spin, spin, spin, spin, spin.

[1653] Oh, my God.

[1654] And by the time he gets to here, done.

[1655] He's out fucking cold.

[1656] He's trying to resist as much as he can't So they're still spinning And then by the time Look at those fucking legs he has He's out cold That's awesome And Shaolin is a world -class black belt And this is this what made Marcella Garcia?

[1657] Yeah this was when the world first found Marcelo Garcia Shaolin was already a known black belt But to show that again Because the way he did it By this arm drag So they're tying up And this is early in the match too man Look at this.

[1658] He kind of pulls guard, uses his legs to upset the balance, and then holds him in place with his legs as he spins and takes the back.

[1659] And then Shaolin is defending the best he can, but Marcello just, again, not big arms, but perfect technique.

[1660] But look at how big his legs are compared to the rest of his body.

[1661] Enormous.

[1662] And he used those legs.

[1663] He used those legs to transition.

[1664] He uses those legs to enter into techniques, and he use those legs as control when he gets hold of a guy and by the way couldn't be a nicer human being yeah he's like one of the nicest guys I've ever met in my life he's so friendly and smiling you would never imagine he's a like if there was him and like a couple of the fucking jack buff dudes and be like which one of these guys is the biggest killer you'd be like oh that guy with the fucking big shoulders no no no this guy this mousy -looking fellow was always smiling yeah he'll fucking kill everybody in his room pants on so you can't even see that he's got fucking lethal weapon legs.

[1665] They're just like, they're like Herschel Walker's legs in a five foot six guy.

[1666] Yeah.

[1667] Like, it doesn't even make any sense.

[1668] Yeah.

[1669] And he, man, watching him in Abu Dahl, I've seen him several times compete, watching him live is something special because it's just like the transition is so smooth.

[1670] His attack is so smooth and it's so technique -based.

[1671] And he has just a few techniques that he hits over and over and over and over and over again.

[1672] And like, everybody knew he wanted your back.

[1673] Everybody knew he wants your back.

[1674] Good luck stopping it.

[1675] Right.

[1676] You know, it just, he could get to that back so quickly.

[1677] I can't believe he did that in that that melee.

[1678] I know.

[1679] That's incredible.

[1680] Wild scramble.

[1681] Yeah.

[1682] I mean, we were all like, whoa, who is this guy?

[1683] And we knew that he was from Fabio Gourgel's school.

[1684] Fabio Gourgel is a very famous Brazilian jihitsu, a real legend, early, early pioneer.

[1685] You know, so everybody knew he was well instructed, but just like, why didn't we know about this guy?

[1686] Like, how come out of nowhere?

[1687] He's strangling everybody and he wins Abu Dhabi?

[1688] It was wild.

[1689] Jiu Jiu Jitsu is just so amazing.

[1690] It's such a, it's the one martial art where it does what a martial art's supposed to do.

[1691] What a martial art is supposed to be is that a smaller man with good technique can beat a larger man. And that kind of can work in other martial arts, but man, that's smaller guy's got to be so much better.

[1692] Like in striking, the smaller man has to be so much better.

[1693] Like, Logan Paul is going to fight Floyd Mayweather.

[1694] Logan Paul is a big guy.

[1695] He's like, what is he, like, six, two -ish, somewhere on that range, 200 pounds, lean, fucking strapping kid.

[1696] Floyd is, at his best, he was 147, 154.

[1697] That was a tiny guy.

[1698] He's not a big guy.

[1699] He's small hands.

[1700] But everyone's betting on Floyd, even though he's literally 50 pounds lighter than this guy, because he's so much better.

[1701] is there a puncher's chance in that situation yes it's a low percentage like you wouldn't want to bet it right you might want to bet it for a goof yeah but i mean i would imagine let me guess what the odds are is it a professional fight no i believe they're calling it an exhibition look come on logan paul's fucking thick i met the dude in person i met him at um uh in hawai it was right after he had that boxing match with KSI.

[1702] He was vacationing at the same place.

[1703] I was with my family and all of a sudden I get this tap on my shoulder.

[1704] I'm like, oh, what's up, dude?

[1705] He is not the same guy that just no. That's his brother Jake.

[1706] Okay.

[1707] Jake is allegedly the more talented boxer.

[1708] He certainly has preposterous knockout power.

[1709] He can knock motherfuckers out.

[1710] You can't sleep on that guy just because he's a YouTube star and he talks a lot of shit.

[1711] But they they're training together there.

[1712] But Logan is the guy who's fighting Floyd and Floyd is considerably smaller than him and I would imagine the odds I'm gonna say 20 to 1 right that he wins that Floyd wins no Floyd that Floyd Mayweather wins 20 to 1 that Floyd wins right yeah you would Floyd is the favorite yes yes yes big big big big big way oh 20 to 1 against yes yes yes is that right see motherfucker I know my shit I'm a professional yeah not really but you know a lot about this kind of thing I know about that kind of thing I know about like hmm it might happen weird shit can happen so if I was for a goof I want to bet 50 bucks I might put 50 bucks on the kid I'm not such a boxing fan I really think you had it right 20 to 1 actually for Floyd to win so you have to bet 2 ,000 to win 100 yeah wow it's 9 to 1 for Logan to win yeah so you bet oh that's interesting 10 dollars you win 90 so 9 to 1 for Logan to win but 20 to 1 for Floyd to win.

[1713] 100 pays 900, but if you want to win 100 on Floyd, you've got to bet 2 ,000.

[1714] Okay, so they're making it difficult.

[1715] Yeah.

[1716] They're going to make.

[1717] Somebody's going to make a lot of money.

[1718] Yeah, if you want to bet a million bucks, yeah, you'll make some money, but you might sweat it.

[1719] No, but I think the odds makers are making money with that differential, right?

[1720] Yeah, yeah.

[1721] Joey Diaz always says, I never met a book you with a part -time job.

[1722] Right.

[1723] The thing that could happen, and this is very unlikely to happen, but what could happen is if Logan holds him and hits him and hurts him.

[1724] So if there's a moment in an exchange where Logan, who is a very good wrestler, I mean a very good wrestler, we saw him wrestle Paul Costa, who's a UFC middleweight contender, and you watch the scrambles, like he was controlling Costa, and they scrambled, he was keeping up with Costa, but you watched him move, and you're like, man, this kid can fucking wrestle.

[1725] And Floyd is not like this one punch obliterating knockout power puncher.

[1726] And then he's also 50 pounds lighter.

[1727] So the weirdness, what's the weirdest thing that can happen is Logan could somehow another tie him up and clip him, like really hard because he's a big guy.

[1728] If I was his coach, I'd be like, listen, motherfucker, you are not outboxing the greatest boxer of all time.

[1729] What we're going to do is we're going to cover up.

[1730] we're going to cheat we're going to maul this guy yeah we're going to maul him we're going to push him around i want you to hold him and i would say plant your feet and push him over your knee he might twist his ankle and fuck his knee up and we're going to mug him in the clinch that's the thing cover up and mug him in the clinch because this is a poppy with a jab keep moving throw a punch but don't throw a punch like you even trying to hit him just get close when he's throwing a punch at you, close the distance, actually close the distance and tie him up and just fucking try to wail him in the clinch, because that's the only time you're going to hit him.

[1731] I'm now nervous for Mayweather.

[1732] Like, now I'm scared.

[1733] Now I want to bet Logan.

[1734] I would never train a guy like him if I was a trainer.

[1735] I would never train a guy like him to try to box with Floyd.

[1736] I'm like, you are not going to be on the outside trying to out maneuver, literally the slickest boxer that's ever walked to face of the earth.

[1737] Do you get broken up if you get an underhook?

[1738] It depends on the referee.

[1739] That's the thing.

[1740] Like some referees say fight through it, fight through it.

[1741] And it really depends on whatever rules they develop specifically for this.

[1742] When sort of understanding, like I know there was like some specific understandings for the Connor McGregor fight.

[1743] When Connor fought Floyd, like if he did anything that was like MMA related, like if you try to take him down or kick him or something like that, I think he would lose like all his money or be fined a million dollars or something.

[1744] I went to that fight.

[1745] Did you?

[1746] And I was, I was like, I was waiting for a leg kick.

[1747] I was thinking, like, you're going to get pissed off and, like, body slam the guy.

[1748] He could have if you wanted to, but I think he had an opportunity to win $100 million.

[1749] Right.

[1750] And that's what he got.

[1751] And he risked everything.

[1752] He made $100 million in that fight, which is so crazy.

[1753] Yeah.

[1754] It's insane.

[1755] It's fucking insane.

[1756] I mean, that fight made Connor McGregor so fucking rich.

[1757] And he did catch Floyd.

[1758] That's what's.

[1759] crazy.

[1760] When he clipped him with that uppercut in the first round, Floyd was like, oh, shit, like this guy can strike.

[1761] But Conner's used to, like, being a sniper and using all his other school, all his other tools, like kicks and, you know, kicking the legs and jabbing the body with that front kick that he likes to throw.

[1762] For him to just use his hands only, he could kind of get things off until Floyd figures out his timing.

[1763] And then once Floyd figured out the timing, Then Floyd was just not there when those punches land.

[1764] Then Connor's punches became more and more labored, and Floyd just dragged him into the later rounds and started fucking him up.

[1765] Do you think that's like the worst thing that can happen for a fighter?

[1766] Like a fighter like Connor, who I remember watching a video on him before he, maybe his first UFC fight when they followed him around Ireland, he did not have much money at all.

[1767] Poor kid, training, hungry.

[1768] To go from that to making 100 million, in a boxing match where if as long as he doesn't kick the guy he makes a fortune right is maybe the worst thing i mean for a guy who still seems like at times like he wants to fight for that for that sport for mixed martial arts having so much seems to be working against him No?

[1769] It can.

[1770] It can.

[1771] There's no absolutes, you know?

[1772] Here's the thing you have to think.

[1773] Floyd Mayweather fucked him up with like a half a billion in the bank.

[1774] Right.

[1775] Think about that.

[1776] Because Floyd Mayweather, when they did fight, Floyd Mayweather was rich as fuck and still beat his ass.

[1777] Way richer than Connor.

[1778] Then Connor became after the fight.

[1779] Yeah.

[1780] It's not an absolute thing.

[1781] Some people, like Michael Jordan famously, didn't.

[1782] it didn't matter if he was rich he wanted to win right at anything yeah some people are just winners they're playing war with a deck of cards he's he wants to win yeah you beat him in pool won't talk to you for two weeks right that was that was michael jordan and there's guys like that in everything and there's guys and i think floyd is like that in boxing some guys do while while saying that while acknowledging that some guys do get soft though most guys get soft Like, I don't remember who said it, who the quote was, but it's hard to be a savage when you're sleeping on silk sheets.

[1783] Right.

[1784] Yeah.

[1785] I think about it, and I only bring it up because it hasn't happened for me because I keep readjusting goals.

[1786] I'm sorry to bring it back to diet again.

[1787] I'm hyper concentrating on diet.

[1788] But I do know that time after time, if my goal was just, I want to lose 100 pounds, when I lose the 100 pounds and I go, well, I did that.

[1789] the motivation or the hunger to keep it off.

[1790] It could have just been that my goal wasn't to lose 100 pounds and keep it off for five years or 10 years or 20 years or whatever or lose 100 pounds for life.

[1791] My goals were literally just, I'm going to do this diet for four months.

[1792] And so I think about like a guy, and I have no idea what Conner's goals are, but like a guy like that who goes like, I'm going to make $100 million.

[1793] Once you make $100 million, you got to set new.

[1794] fucking goals because he's not fighting the same way that he was at least in UFC prior to that well yes and no because he was fighting the same way when he fought Cowboy Soroni when he could fuck Cowboy up he was rich as shit you have to realize he had a hundred million dollars in the bank and he knocked Cowboys block off that's true it's um that fight it's hard to judge him based on the Dustin Poirier fight because most people tend to look at the end result.

[1795] You tend to look at how it went down and how the fight ended.

[1796] And if you look at how the fight ended, you go, oh, Connor Soft.

[1797] But when I look at it as an analyst, I look at it from the beginning to the end.

[1798] And one of the best ways to look at it is my brother Daniel Cormier has a thing on ESPN called Detail about that fight.

[1799] And he shows the first fight and he shows the second fight.

[1800] And he shows the adjustments that Dustin Poyer made, and then he shows the difference between the way Connor fought the first fight and Connor fought the second fight.

[1801] And one of the things is Dustin started kicking the low calf instead of the thigh.

[1802] In the first fight, he kicked the thigh.

[1803] It's way easier to absorb a few hard kicks to the thigh than it is a few hard kicks to the calf.

[1804] The calf, it becomes debilitating almost immediately.

[1805] One or two good shins slamming into your calf.

[1806] There's just not enough meat there.

[1807] There's a thing called compartment syndrome that happens where your blood pools up in the leg.

[1808] And there's a guy, you want to get grossed out?

[1809] There's a guy named Austin Hubbard who fought in the UFC.

[1810] Google compartment syndrome, Austin Hubbard.

[1811] He had a fight in the UFC, and he got his legs kicked to high heaven.

[1812] And afterwards, they swelled up so bad.

[1813] They had to split his leg like a banana.

[1814] They had to open up.

[1815] Yeah.

[1816] Look.

[1817] at that.

[1818] Holy fuck.

[1819] Holy fuck.

[1820] So Austin has this enormous scar leading down his leg, but that's what they had to do with his leg.

[1821] So they had to open up, his leg was enormous and they couldn't sew it up so they have a wound vac sucking the liquid away.

[1822] Exactly.

[1823] Exactly.

[1824] And it was fucking rough, man, like really rough.

[1825] And they see him, go to that picture that you got your cursor on.

[1826] See, that's what his leg looked like.

[1827] So he's sitting there.

[1828] in the hospital, after the fight, his one leg is, and Austin fights at 155 pounds, I'm pretty sure.

[1829] And it says welterweight, Austin, Hubbard.

[1830] Yeah, his name has 155 in it.

[1831] Oh, I think he's fighting welterweight, and, well, he's fought both, I believe.

[1832] That's what's going on.

[1833] But his leg was twice the size of his other leg, just from swelling and tissue damage.

[1834] And when you get that compartment syndrome, they have to alleviate the, look at that one picture.

[1835] Go back to where you were.

[1836] Look at that picture in the middle with the two legs split them.

[1837] I know, but look at that.

[1838] That's an example of compartment syndrome.

[1839] So they have to open you up and figure out a way to drain all that shit.

[1840] So see that?

[1841] That's in the calf.

[1842] And the compartment syndrome in the calf is it happens even more often for whatever reason.

[1843] I spent a lot of time with a wound vac.

[1844] Yeah?

[1845] I have a disgusting story.

[1846] I don't have pictures to show you.

[1847] um not that i would show them if i had the pictures but i uh had loose skin removed in 2008 or maybe 2007 anyway somewhere around there and they tell you like you you can't move for a while you got to sit around i had a full cut all the way around 11 pounds of skin yeah and i'm 11 pounds of brisket yeah it's a fucking big brisket dude and this was just flat like it puts the lotion in the basket skin.

[1848] Do you have photos of the skin?

[1849] Not accessible right now.

[1850] If I do, they're on a disc somewhere.

[1851] I did.

[1852] I did.

[1853] I actually, um, I don't know why I want to see it.

[1854] I will send you pictures.

[1855] Let's Google skin removal operation.

[1856] If you want to get really gross and I don't talk about this much because it seems to put people off, but when I was going to have the skin surgery, I told the doctor that I wanted to tan the skin and make trinkets for my friends.

[1857] And he was so offended by this.

[1858] He was so gross.

[1859] And I was like, it's, it's like the most loving gift I can imagine giving somebody of literally a piece of myself.

[1860] And he was like, I'm Jewish.

[1861] This offends me on so many levels.

[1862] And I was like, I don't even understand what you're saying, but I don't want to do anything to somebody else that's bad and all of that.

[1863] What about being Jewish makes up?

[1864] He was like, they made lamp shades out of my people.

[1865] And I was like, okay, I don't want to do that.

[1866] I want to make keychain bangles for my friends.

[1867] That's a different thing.

[1868] It's a different thing.

[1869] Also illegal in California.

[1870] To make key chains out of your skin?

[1871] To give somebody their skin.

[1872] You can't do it.

[1873] What about toenails?

[1874] Toonails?

[1875] That's what I mean, I said I got my wisdom teeth.

[1876] When I had my wisdom teeth pulled, they handed me my wisdom teeth.

[1877] I didn't understand.

[1878] We're very specific about what you can keep and not key.

[1879] Skin is off limit, so I donated it to burn research.

[1880] But I had so much anxiety about sitting still and gaining weight while I was sitting still that I didn't sit still and I fell and tore my side open and had to have a wound vac just like that gentleman for a long time because they can't sew you back up and it's filled, fills with fluid and you have to constantly suck the fluid away from the wound.

[1881] Why couldn't they sell you back up?

[1882] I don't know.

[1883] I don't know.

[1884] But I did so much damage falling and tearing my side open that they had to...

[1885] Fuck.

[1886] They had one of those wound vacks, yeah.

[1887] How long did that last for?

[1888] Months...

[1889] That's the best I could find.

[1890] There's some skin that they removed from somebody.

[1891] Fucking A, man. Jesus.

[1892] That could be 11 pounds.

[1893] I mean, that looks like a lot of skin.

[1894] It looks a lot.

[1895] How long was the healing process from all this?

[1896] Uh, the entire last season of my name is Earl, I wore a wound vac that I would take off, like, as we would start rolling.

[1897] But so it was months and months and months.

[1898] It wouldn't have been if I hadn't have fallen and injured myself.

[1899] How long would it been if you hadn't fallen?

[1900] Three or four months.

[1901] Even then.

[1902] That's so long.

[1903] Yeah.

[1904] You know, the thing that really scares people about injuries is infections.

[1905] Yeah.

[1906] So that's, you had to worry about staff and things.

[1907] on those lines are MRSA, which is really scary.

[1908] Oh, I was on heavy -duty antibiotics levoquin the whole time just to kill bacteria as it came up in case it was like something I had to take every day no matter what, in case an infection happened.

[1909] Wow.

[1910] Yeah, it sucked.

[1911] And that wears you out too, right?

[1912] Antibiotics just make you so tired.

[1913] Yeah, it was not something I would consider doing again, though I've been a healthy weight with excess skin for years now.

[1914] Gordon Ryan was in here the other day, who's the greatest jujitsu grappler of all time, right?

[1915] He's a young kid.

[1916] 25.

[1917] You think he's the greatest of all time?

[1918] Of all time.

[1919] Really?

[1920] Yeah, he's the best.

[1921] Really?

[1922] Yeah, he's the best.

[1923] I know who he is.

[1924] I just can't believe already at 25.

[1925] He beats everyone.

[1926] This is the consensus.

[1927] How do we get, like, Hickson versus him?

[1928] Well, he's a lot bigger than Hickson, first of all.

[1929] But obviously, Hickson is long past.

[1930] time.

[1931] It's a different world.

[1932] Yeah.

[1933] He taps big, giant Brazilian jiu -jitsu world champions.

[1934] Right.

[1935] And he puts him in bad situations and taps him like it's nothing.

[1936] I'm not talking shit and saying he's not great.

[1937] I'm just saying the greatest of all time is 25.

[1938] It's extraordinary.

[1939] It's very unusual.

[1940] You were doing jiu -jitsu when he was two years old.

[1941] Exactly.

[1942] Yeah.

[1943] He learned from John Donaheher, who's probably the greatest mind in combat sports alive today.

[1944] Not probably.

[1945] I think he is.

[1946] You know, and when I found out that John Donahar, Gary Tonin, who is also one of the greatest grapplers alive, was also a John Donahar student, has entered into one FC, which is a mixed martial arts organization in Asia, and he's been incredibly successful.

[1947] And then I was like, well, who's his striking coach?

[1948] And Gordon's like, John Donaheher is his striking coach as well.

[1949] And I was like, what?

[1950] And then I realized, like, Holy shit.

[1951] You're talking about a guy who used to teach philosophy at Columbia and then became obsessed with Jiu -Jitsu.

[1952] Doesn't have a family, doesn't have a girlfriend.

[1953] All he does is train fighters and study tape.

[1954] And I get a chance to talk to him this past weekend.

[1955] And every time I talk to him, I'm reminded, like how fucking brilliant the guy is.

[1956] He's an extraordinary person.

[1957] And Gordon, who is a great athlete who has incredible dedication and discipline, was trained by the greatest mind in combat sports alive today.

[1958] And maybe the greatest ever.

[1959] How about that?

[1960] John Donnerher might be the greatest mind in combat sports ever.

[1961] And the two of them together, unstoppable combination.

[1962] So you have genetics.

[1963] He's a big, strong, tall kid who grew up doing jujitsu, right?

[1964] Starts jiu -jitsu when he was a kid and then finds John Donahur and trains seven days a week.

[1965] And when he's not training, he's studying tape.

[1966] and he's examining moves and going over things and he's just fully dedicated they don't take any days off man right and that's one of the things we talked about no day i'm like no days off like no when i'm tired i just train light i'm like what in the fuck he's like yeah i might go in and get tapped a few times but who gives you shit you know i just if i'm worn out i just go in i keep training and he hasn't had an mma fight he has not yet but he has signed for one fc exclusive for mMA and they might put him in grappling matches in 1FC as well.

[1967] 1FC is a really interesting organization because they have kickboxing, they have moitai, so they have regular kickboxing with gloves, with big gloves, boxing gloves.

[1968] They have kickboxing with small gloves.

[1969] They have moitai with small gloves.

[1970] They have MMA, and apparently they're going to have grappling as well.

[1971] So they're going to give away a grappling belt, same way they have 1FC belts for all these other disciplines.

[1972] Did 1FSI grow out of Strike Force?

[1973] No. No, Strike Force is purchased by the UFC.

[1974] Oh, when was that?

[1975] A long time ago.

[1976] Okay.

[1977] Yeah, UFC bought Strike Force back in the early 2000s, I believe, because Rhonda Rousey actually came from Strike Force.

[1978] Okay.

[1979] Yeah.

[1980] So when he does do MMA, if he does do MMA, he has to do it with one FC.

[1981] That's where his contract lies.

[1982] But the contract allows him to grapple with one FC, but grapple everywhere else as well.

[1983] And the conversation we were having was he's having a hard.

[1984] time getting opponents because no one wants to get grappling for grappling because no one wants to get manhandled they get manhandled why did I say that that way manhandled he doesn't just manhandle guys he tells you how he's going to tap them like he fought wagner rocha and uh he wrote on a piece of paper he wrote a triangle and he handed it to the uh guys who are doing commentary and he said open this envelope up after the match is over that's crazy and he's trying he's fighting a world class guy waggers is a world class guy he fights this guy triangles him and he said he was going to manhandle him for a long time because he apparently the guy fucked with him when he was 19 he's going to manhandle him for a long time and then triangle him and that's exactly what he did and they had a match a long time ago and the difference between like several years ago the difference between like several years ago The difference between that match and today is Stark.

[1985] Like, Gordon is that much better.

[1986] He continues to grow at this crazy rate and get better at this crazy rate.

[1987] These other guys are recognizing, like, not only is he the best guy alive, but he's so much better than he was a year ago.

[1988] He's so much better than he was a year before that.

[1989] He's better than he was six weeks ago.

[1990] He just keeps getting better.

[1991] And he's only 25.

[1992] So when you're 25, you just keep getting better.

[1993] And he's training seven days a fucking week.

[1994] He gets up in the morning, he lifts weights, he does MMA training, and then he does jih Tzu, and then he eats, and he goes to sleep, and he does it all over again.

[1995] And they moved to Puerto Rico so they could do it because New York City was shutting down the gyms.

[1996] Right.

[1997] So they're like, okay, we'll go over here.

[1998] Yeah.

[1999] Like, we're not going to stop.

[2000] Like, we're not going to take a year off.

[2001] Get the fuck out of here.

[2002] Yeah.

[2003] So they just went to Puerto Rico.

[2004] That's exciting.

[2005] I can't wait to see him fight MMA.

[2006] I'm excited about that, but honestly, I'm just as excited about him fighting and gravest.

[2007] But like who?

[2008] Who do you want to see him fight?

[2009] That's what's interesting.

[2010] With one FC, I think they have a promotional machine behind them with financial backing that might incentivize people to compete against him.

[2011] So they might be able to talk some other elite grapplers who are also heavyweights to get in there and risk getting tapped because this is what they wanted to avoid.

[2012] Because like he had a match with Cyborg Roberto Abru who's a huge fucking powerhouse of a man like multiple time world champion and Cyborg is like widely respected as being like one of the top grapplers alive Gordon trapped him early on got him in a heel hook and tapped him out and when people saw cyborg get tapped out so easily by Gordon they're like holy shit it just it's changed the game yeah and these guys How big is he?

[2013] Cyborg?

[2014] No, no, Gordon 220?

[2015] Oh, he's really big.

[2016] He's big, it's a big kid.

[2017] And this is the thing, we got to this whole, we got to Gordon from this conversation about staff infection.

[2018] Yeah.

[2019] So Gordon had this recurring staff infection over and over and over again.

[2020] He kept taking these antibiotics, and he developed his stomach issue.

[2021] I forget what it's called.

[2022] But the stomach issue does not allow him to consume a bunch of different foods without getting nauseous.

[2023] He's nauseous all the time.

[2024] Really?

[2025] Yeah, he can only consume small amounts of food, too.

[2026] And to maintain his mass to be 220 pounds, he's got to, like, eat a lot of food.

[2027] Yeah.

[2028] He can only eat, like, white rice, chicken, fish, and a couple other things.

[2029] And no oils or greases or anything like that.

[2030] I mean, in fairness, that sounds like a pretty healthy diet.

[2031] Not a bad diet, but he can't eat, like, the amount that he wants.

[2032] What is it called?

[2033] Gastroporias.

[2034] Poresis?

[2035] Gastroporesis.

[2036] So this is it, which means partial paralysis of the stomach is a disease.

[2037] which the stomach cannot empty itself of food in a normal way.

[2038] If you have this condition, damaged nerves and muscles don't function with their normal strength and coordination, slowing the movement of the contents through your digestive system.

[2039] And they think that that happened because of the continual use of oral antibiotics, just over and over and over again.

[2040] He's on this stuff, and it eventually fucked up his stomach.

[2041] And is the staff infection under control?

[2042] Staff infection is under control, but now he's got this gastroporesis.

[2043] gastroporesis still he can't take it that sucks dude does suck that really sucks I hope still the best still the best still the best he can't eat what he wants and he's still the best still with this fucked up stomach thing because he thinks that if he didn't have the stomach thing he could because of his steady weightlifting and everything he could get up to 240 where he thinks he can dominate people even more he's a big kid you see the size of him he's a big kid I mean I think it's probably accurate yeah he'd need to eat a lot more and and maybe chicken and rice and vegetables isn't going to cut it you need to up the fats you know larger calories a larger uh you know larger uh you know larger portions but yeah it's just it's i love outliers i really do i just love i love exceptional human beings who could figure out things like that i do too gets me excited i just fucking i love when there's a dude who's just so far ahead of the curve yeah and when you're talking about hickson like that was how everybody felt about hickson when hickson was in his prime and hickson was the same way.

[2044] He was training every day.

[2045] And Hickson's special thing was yoga.

[2046] Right.

[2047] Because Hickson had this crazy physicality and flexibility that these other jiu -suits guys did not have.

[2048] And also this insane understanding of positions and insane understanding of the language of the interactions of human bodies in grappling exchanges.

[2049] He just knew how to grapple in a way that other guys just did not and a lot of it was just based on just repetition over and over and over and over again and the fact that he was stronger than the other gracies so he got more taps in than they did and that's how guys get really much better like a guy who's like physically stronger and a guy who who like Eddie bravo always says that if you really want to get good strangled blue belts and it's really true because you get more taps in when you're doing this more reps yeah you get more reps in.

[2050] And that's what happened with Hickson.

[2051] He was just better than everybody else and more physical.

[2052] And it's one of the reasons why, there's a couple reasons why Horian Gracie, who created the UFC, wanted Hoyce to compete rather than Hickson.

[2053] One was that he couldn't control Hickson because Hickson doesn't, he don't listen to anybody but Hickson.

[2054] And the other one was that hoist was less physically impressive.

[2055] Like when you saw Hickson, you've seen Hickson.

[2056] with his shirt off.

[2057] I mean, he looks like a fucking assassin.

[2058] He looks like an Adonis.

[2059] Yeah, I mean, he was beautiful.

[2060] Yeah.

[2061] Truly beautiful.

[2062] He had perfect features.

[2063] He was so handsome.

[2064] And Hoyst compared to him was like a scrawny little guy.

[2065] Yes.

[2066] So Hoyce was a better example, a better, it was a better demonstration.

[2067] More impressive, certainly.

[2068] Yeah.

[2069] In that way.

[2070] And the idea was that they would use Hoyce until Hoyce lost.

[2071] And if Hoyce ever lost, then they bring in Hicks.

[2072] And then everybody's fucked.

[2073] Just assassinate people.

[2074] Yeah, but Hickson went over to Japan and won the Japan Valley Tudow and became a giant star in Japan and then he fought in Coliseum and he fought in Pride.

[2075] And I think Coliseum was his last fight and if I want to be accurate, I want to say it was the year 2000.

[2076] I think that was Hickson's last hurrah.

[2077] So who today, I didn't mean Hickson like should fight him now or should.

[2078] No, no, of course.

[2079] But at the time, the version of Hickson.

[2080] Nixon versus the version of Gordon Ryan today.

[2081] And so we can't even play that game.

[2082] Who today do you want to see Gordon fight?

[2083] It's very, well, I'd love to see Cyborg again.

[2084] I think that would be an interesting fight because Cyborg still, now Cyborg and him did have one other match and Cyborg was disqualified for slapping Gordon in the head repeatedly.

[2085] Which just look like a fucking bitch thing to do, too, to be honest with you.

[2086] He just, you know.

[2087] Get frustrated.

[2088] frustrated to get emotion.

[2089] I mean, Gordon talks so much shit, too.

[2090] But meanwhile, it didn't bother him that he was getting smacked.

[2091] He just kept rolling.

[2092] I mean, his ultimate goal was to get Cyborg to engage with him and tap him out again.

[2093] Yeah.

[2094] And Cyborg was very defensive and used a lot of slaps and was very physical.

[2095] There's some guys.

[2096] Penya's really good.

[2097] There's a lot of guys in the heavyweight division that are elite grapplers.

[2098] But the thing is, like, a lot of them don't want to risk getting tapped.

[2099] That's what the thing is.

[2100] That's the thing.

[2101] They just don't want to risk having happened to them what happened to Wagner Rocha.

[2102] Yeah.

[2103] But then if they put enough money, people will start to risk that.

[2104] If they put enough money, and that's the argument about something like 1FC, is that one FC might have the financial means to goad maybe some judo champions and some elite grapplers and other disciplines, you know, and make it a big deal.

[2105] and, you know, do it in a stadium.

[2106] You know, I mean, who knows?

[2107] Because if you're doing it at one of those big one -fc shows, they have some pretty, once they have audiences again, I don't think they're having, I think the UFC is the first combat sports organization, in mixed martial arts, at least, to start having full stadiums again.

[2108] And so the one that we did a couple of weeks ago in Jacksonville, Florida, was a full stadium, which is pretty fucking nuts.

[2109] Yeah.

[2110] It was wild, man. I'm so glad it's coming back.

[2111] The electricity in the crown is fucking tangible.

[2112] It's crazy.

[2113] I liked what they were doing in, was it Dubai or Qatar or something?

[2114] It was Abu Dhabi.

[2115] That was awesome, but it definitely felt from an audience perspective to be a little bit lacking without the feeling of a crowd.

[2116] Yeah, well, they kept the sport going, though.

[2117] That's what they did.

[2118] They kept the sport alive, and they allowed fans to come back in a limited capacity in Abu Dhabi for the Conner fight.

[2119] I forget how many, they had rules.

[2120] like you had to have a negative COVID test either day of or day before or something like that.

[2121] So there was some rules to get in there and I don't think it was full capacity but it was quite a few people.

[2122] But when they fight again, it'll be in July at the T -Mobile Arena in Vegas and barring some sort of crazy outbreak of COVID again, it should be full capacity.

[2123] It'll be wild.

[2124] Yeah, it's exciting.

[2125] Yeah, it is.

[2126] It's a crazy sport, man. There's nothing like it.

[2127] It really is nothing like it.

[2128] Yeah, I never was super into boxing.

[2129] It was the only thing that seemed to just be more entertaining.

[2130] I enjoyed watching it more, and I like combat.

[2131] Yeah, I like boxing too, you know.

[2132] I'm not shitting on boxing.

[2133] It just was not right.

[2134] I know you're not.

[2135] I like boxing too, but yeah, MMA is more dynamic.

[2136] There's more involved.

[2137] There's more options.

[2138] It's more exciting.

[2139] And it ends more suddenly more often, you know?

[2140] Like if you watched the UFC fight last weekend or two weekends ago.

[2141] Last weekend, this past weekend, this Porhaska, how did he say a prohasa?

[2142] I think that's how he said his name.

[2143] Yuri Prohaska.

[2144] Did you see that fight?

[2145] Bro.

[2146] That guy is a monster.

[2147] He's a real problem.

[2148] He's this guy from the Czech Republic, this big, fucking crazy.

[2149] striker who fights wild and he just comes straight at you and puts it on you in this wild way where he just throws himself at fighters and forces them into these dog fights and he got tagged he got rocked in the fight at one point in time but then he knocked Dominic Reyes out with a spinning elbow and it was just I mean face plant out cold and Dominic Reyes is a guy who went five hard rounds with John Jones and then he got stopped by Janbovich and then he got really fucked up by Prohaska.

[2150] Yeah.

[2151] It's going to be fucking wild.

[2152] Is John Jones going to come back and fight in a...

[2153] Supposedly he's going to fight in the heavyweight division and supposedly he's going to fight Francis Ingano.

[2154] But it's not done.

[2155] It's not done.

[2156] And Francis Ingano, if John and the UFC don't make an agreement, then Francis is going to fight Derek Lewis who is the last guy to beat him in a decision.

[2157] That's a fun fight too.

[2158] Fuck, yeah.

[2159] Yeah, Derek is terrifying.

[2160] Derek's terrifying.

[2161] Derek is the only guy that can knock guys out as impressively, maybe even more so than Francis.

[2162] Yeah.

[2163] Because he face -planted Curtis Blaze with one punch.

[2164] You know, Derek can knock any man out, any man, any man alive.

[2165] He's so big.

[2166] Derek is huge.

[2167] Yeah.

[2168] So he's a natural 265 pound or two, and he's just got a real knack for knocking people unconscious.

[2169] And, you know, what he said about Francis said, if we fight again, he's going to knock him the fuck out, which is crazy.

[2170] If he knocked Francis out, that would be full -on bananas.

[2171] Yeah.

[2172] And, you know, Derek has the ability.

[2173] He really can knock anyone out.

[2174] And if Francis has to fight Derek, he has to be much more careful than he was against Depe.

[2175] Because Derek is a one -punch guy.

[2176] Like, one punch can change everything.

[2177] So that'll be fun.

[2178] Either way.

[2179] I'm in for all of them, no matter what.

[2180] So why'd you stop?

[2181] What is this here?

[2182] Here's the...

[2183] Oh yeah, this is the spinning yellow, but watch this.

[2184] I mean, fuck, dude.

[2185] Crazy.

[2186] That's insane.

[2187] Yeah, he's something special.

[2188] It's not just that, man. It's all the other stuff that he did in the fight as well.

[2189] And it's the pace that he set.

[2190] He has crazy cardio and he's a wild guy.

[2191] Like, real wild, like even after the fight he was upset with himself for getting hit.

[2192] He's like, oh, I got really caught him.

[2193] Don't think it was a masterpiece.

[2194] He was talking crazy.

[2195] He's like, he's a wild, like, sort of an interesting person, like, the way he thinks and, you know, it's just, and the way he fights is not like anybody else.

[2196] Yeah.

[2197] He just goes right at you.

[2198] Yeah.

[2199] He just puts it on you.

[2200] He's going to give people trouble.

[2201] He's going to give everybody trouble.

[2202] Yeah.

[2203] I mean.

[2204] Is that his first fight in the USC?

[2205] Second fight.

[2206] Second fight.

[2207] Okay.

[2208] Yeah, his first fight he fought Osdimir, Volkan Osdemeer, knocked him the fuck out, too, which is crazy.

[2209] What is that way class?

[2210] Oh, Zemir's scary.

[2211] 205.

[2212] 205, okay.

[2213] Ozedimir is scary.

[2214] Ozedimir's a serious knockout puncher, and he slept him.

[2215] Yeah.

[2216] I mean, both guys, flat lines on.

[2217] You seen that fight?

[2218] I'm looking at his record right now.

[2219] Everything he has is a K .O. One decision here.

[2220] Yeah.

[2221] TK.

[2222] Retirement, TK