S8 E3: Double Life

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[3] In 2011, something strange began to happen at a high school in upstate New York.

[4] A mystery illness, bizarre symptoms, and spreading fast.

[5] What's the answer?

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[18] Here's Aridian.

[19] At that time, I graduated with my associates at our community college, and it was like such a wonderful experience and Lindsay Ben's sister got so excited and like she was like let's celebrate you this is wonderful Ben's mom was so proud like she at that point was like you are like my daughter and I'm so proud of you and my parents got together and my grandparents were in town on their visa like coming from out of the country and they like came to have dinner with us and I just remember Crystal throwing the biggest fit because everyone was celebrating my graduation.

[20] And she was just saying like, well, no one celebrated my graduation.

[21] And I got two associates degrees and she only got one.

[22] And this was not around me or Ben at all.

[23] This was in front of Lindsay and Ben's mom, and she was just visibly angry.

[24] And then I guess at one point, Lindsay was like, Grant, what is going on?

[25] Like, why is she so angry?

[26] And he was like, well, you guys don't care about her.

[27] You guys don't even, didn't even celebrate her graduation.

[28] And Lindsay was just, she just said, when did she graduate?

[29] like did we even know her and grant just said well no this was before you guys met her but you didn't bother celebrating her and i just remember lindsay being like we didn't know her then how are we supposed to know to celebrate her what was it like a year before we met her and he was like i don't know it was time sometime before and she said well were you expecting us to to backtrack a life moment, a big milestone in her life just because we didn't celebrate it because we didn't know her.

[30] And him and Crystal in the end were like, oh, whatever.

[31] You guys are just thinking we're being dramatic.

[32] Grant and Crystal were so salty about it.

[33] And it got to the point where they were like, well, we're not going.

[34] And Lindsay was like, good, don't go then.

[35] You're not invited.

[36] And my mom was like, that's rude.

[37] You have to invite everyone.

[38] So because my mom said so, I texted Crystal and said, hey, if you would like, we're having a family dinner and I would love it if you guys came.

[39] Of course, you know, the baby to everybody, grant you, everyone.

[40] And we can just celebrate together.

[41] And she said like, oh my God, I'm so happy for you.

[42] I will definitely be there.

[43] I'll make sure we're all there.

[44] We're going to celebrate you, blah, blah, blah.

[45] And it was like completely different from what, how they were being towards Lindsay and Ben's mom.

[46] I just told Ben, like, wait until I graduate with my bachelor's.

[47] She's not going to like that.

[48] Like, I was like, this is just my associates.

[49] I'm still in school.

[50] So from there, like, things were just so salty.

[51] That's when I really saw that shift.

[52] I do think she wanted to create some friction.

[53] I really, looking back on it, I really, like, looking back on it, I do think that it was, like, looking back on it, I do think that it was that Nars.

[54] I don't want people to like her more or like them more as a couple.

[55] And then came a time where in like October -ish, we went to one of the children's birthday parties.

[56] I think I just got out of work or something, but I'm really tired.

[57] I'm like, I just went there because I want to be a part of the kids' lives.

[58] And Ben was already there.

[59] so, you know, I'm trying to be this aunt figure for the children.

[60] Everyone was there.

[61] And I just remember Crystal's daughter was very upset.

[62] She was just like crying the whole time.

[63] And she's very little.

[64] She was just getting so frustrated because her daughter was loud and the youngest and crying and she couldn't get her to sit still.

[65] I just remember that at one point, I knocked over like a whole bowl of chips onto myself and it was really embarrassing and like it got in my hair and everything.

[66] And I just remember that the one person that like genuinely laughed at me was crystal.

[67] And she just sat in front of me like a cartoon and she pointed at me and she just laughed so hard.

[68] Like she was genuinely enjoying the fact that I was embarrassed or that something bad happened to me. Like I know that that's like reading it.

[69] to something quite a lot, but it was so taunting and it was like reminded me of like an elementary school bully.

[70] Like she was having such a good time that I was embarrassed and that I was a mess and oh my God, those chips were so greasy that they stained everything I was wearing.

[71] And I just think that speaks even more to who she is as a person, even if I am reading a little bit too much into it.

[72] I'm Dan Tibersky.

[73] In 2011, something strange began to happen at the high school in Leroy, New York.

[74] I was like at my locker and she came up to me and she was like stuttering super bad.

[75] I'm like, stop fucking around.

[76] She's like, I can't.

[77] A mystery illness, bizarre symptoms and spreading fast.

[78] It's like doubling and tripling and it's all these girls.

[79] With a diagnosis, the state tried to keep on the down low.

[80] Everybody thought I was holding something back.

[81] Well, you were holding something back.

[82] Intentionally.

[83] Yeah, yeah.

[84] Well, yeah.

[85] Yeah, it's hysteria.

[86] It's all in your head.

[87] It's not physical.

[88] Oh, my gosh, you're exaggerating.

[89] Is this the largest mass hysteria since the witches of Salem?

[90] Or is it something else entirely?

[91] Something's wrong here.

[92] Something's not right.

[93] Leroy was the new date line and everyone was trying to solve the murder.

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[97] Scammers are best known for living the high life until they're forced to trade it all in for handcuffs and an orange jumpsuit once they're finally caught.

[98] I'm Sachi Cole.

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[106] So I ended up getting hired at the contact center, at the call center, where Crystal worked at.

[107] We technically didn't work together because she worked with the temp agency and I worked with the actual corporation.

[108] However, her desk was right by the training room.

[109] In my head, I'm naive.

[110] I'm like, it's my sister -in -law.

[111] Like, I have this sister connection.

[112] Yeah, sisters are probably shitty sometimes, but in the end, we're family.

[113] And that's how I saw it.

[114] So we had this like unspoken like connection where we were like, oh my God, hey girl, come to my desk, come say hi to me sort of thing for a little bit.

[115] It was not very long.

[116] But around the family, she was still like low key kind of mean to me. And I could tell she was still like looking for reasons to talk bad about me and Ben behind her backs.

[117] But I just kind of chose to ignore that.

[118] When I got hired on by the company, what they do is they'll put you in a room with a whole bunch of people that got hired on and they'll train everybody.

[119] And everybody is getting trained.

[120] So Crystal's desk was right by the training room right next to it.

[121] I just remember she moved desks at one point.

[122] And I don't know if maybe she was trying to like listen in or what.

[123] Because these rooms are not real rooms.

[124] You're in this giant tin building that's like a warehouse.

[125] And then the rooms are literally just divided by like cubicle walls.

[126] So her, her desk was right by our training room.

[127] And I remember I made a couple of friends when I was in training.

[128] One of them being this guy named Zachary.

[129] And he had worked for the company previously.

[130] And so he knew everything about like how how everything worked.

[131] I did know at the time why he had left the company, but I guess he had left the temp agency at one point.

[132] And then when I got hired on, he got hired on by the company as well.

[133] Well, being that he came from the temp agency, I guess he knew Crystal and they were, they were friends like at some point.

[134] So one day in passing, I came to say hi to Crystal and she noticed that I was all buddy buddies with Zachary.

[135] And she just said to me, hey, watch out for that person.

[136] And That person is a pathological liar.

[137] You shouldn't trust anything that comes out of their mouth.

[138] They lie and they steal.

[139] They've stolen things from me. And in my head, I'm going, oh, my God, what did he steal?

[140] Like, what happened?

[141] And she just said, oh, I just, I can't get into it.

[142] I don't want drama.

[143] I can't get into it.

[144] He just stole like a charger or something.

[145] She was like, I don't even remember.

[146] He stole something from my car.

[147] now that I'm asking questions, she doesn't have answers, but she's telling me don't trust this person.

[148] I know him.

[149] Don't trust him.

[150] And I just left it at that because I don't know anybody and I've noticed that I tend to trust a little too easily.

[151] I just stayed friends with Zachary and I was like, okay, I just won't talk to him about you or anything like that.

[152] And I really do think that was the intention was to keep us either from being friends or from discussing things a little too closely.

[153] Well, I guess at one point, Zachary and I and a couple of other co -workers were going on our breaks, and I stopped by Crystal's desk to say hi.

[154] Zachary had come up to us.

[155] I thought he came for me, but turns out he actually had come to speak to Crystal to say hi to her because they hadn't yet connected since he'd been back.

[156] I just had a conversation with both of them, and then we left for our break and Zachary just kind of mentioned to me like oh my god I didn't know you were friends with Crystal and I just said something like yeah I'm not really friends with her she's just family a little bit you know how do you guys know each other and Zachary was like oh we used to be friends when we used to work together and we dropped it because I remember her saying don't trust him and I just felt really awkward because I was like this person seems pretty trustworthy.

[157] So I dropped it.

[158] Here's Aridian's friend and previous co -worker, Zachary.

[159] At this point, Crystal and I hadn't really talked since that night.

[160] Like, we had been on Snapchat, like, we had Snapchat at each other back and forth a couple times, but it was never really like conversation.

[161] Like, it was just kind of like, here's what I'm doing today sort of thing.

[162] And when I went back, that's when I met Aridian.

[163] Her and I were in the same training class my second time around.

[164] So, Eridian and I started kind of become friendly and about three, four days in, I had seen Crystal and went to her desk and had said hi to her and all these different things.

[165] So her and I started talking again, like on my breaks and whatever.

[166] One of our breaks, I went over there and Eridian was talking to her and I was blown back because I didn't know that she knew her.

[167] They stopped talking.

[168] I said, hey, Crystal, how you do?

[169] And then talk to her for a second.

[170] And then we always went outside anytime that you could get sunshine it was kind of a you grabbed what you could get and so we went outside and i was like oh so how do you know crystal and and she said oh yeah her husband is my brother -in -law so of course as a normal person who was raised decently i said oh my gosh i'm so sorry for your loss and she said what are you talking about and she laughed and was like, I don't know what you're talking about.

[171] And when I tell you, it blew my mind.

[172] Like, when they show, like, the mind -blown gif, it doesn't even compare.

[173] Here's Aridian.

[174] I actually don't remember this part of the interaction very much.

[175] He actually remembers it a lot better than me, because in my eyes, like, we were joking about something, turns out he was telling me something that I didn't know about Crystal.

[176] And like, we're working there for like a few months together, you know, from August to January.

[177] And I run into a girl that I actually went to school with.

[178] I think I was on a break.

[179] And so she was walking in.

[180] And this girl, like, said, Arridian, like, is that you?

[181] And I go, yeah, who are you?

[182] And she said, I'm.

[183] so and so.

[184] We went to school together and it was just this very like sweet interaction.

[185] And I was like, oh my God, I did not even recognize you.

[186] I'm like, you know, you look amazing.

[187] Look at you.

[188] You're such a grown up.

[189] I was just like looking for a good way to like for us to interact, I guess, like a conversation.

[190] And I was like, I've seen you around the building and I didn't even realize that was you.

[191] I was like you, I think you've been working with Crystal, right?

[192] You work with Crystal.

[193] And she's like, Crystal, who?

[194] Like, I don't know.

[195] And I said, you know, Crystal so and so.

[196] And she was like, oh, you mean the one who's like husband passed away?

[197] And I was like, what?

[198] No, no. Crystal.

[199] Like, this crystal.

[200] And she goes, yeah, like her husband died.

[201] Didn't he?

[202] And I was like, no, I think we're talking about different people.

[203] And she was like, oh yeah like we probably are we probably are thinking of two different people and then she said no wait wait wait is it the crystal that's dating wilson and i'm like no that's not her like that couldn't be i bet you're still thinking of like a different crystal like that name is pretty common and she was like okay yeah she's like oh well you know and then we're like talking and she comes back with like oh my god wait crystal she has a little daughter right her her daughter named daisy and i was like yeah yeah that's her that's my sister -in -law and she goes oh well okay um i still think we're thinking of different people because the the crystal i know her husband actually passed away so i think we're talking about different people we we basically just decided like between the two of us that we were genuinely just talking about different people closer to christmas time i decided that i'm going to give crystal and grant a present for christmas and my present was i had taken a picture of crystal's daughter daisy and i was just going to go ahead and like edit it really beautiful and put it on a stretch canvas for them for christmas and so i did that i fixed up this really cute picture that I took of her daughter and I got it all pretty and I was so proud of it.

[204] I was showing all my coworkers this photo that I did.

[205] And one coworker that just so happened to be a desk behind mine, she noticed the picture and she said, oh my God, I know that little girl.

[206] She's like, why do I know that little girl?

[207] And I said, oh, that's my sister -in -law's daughter.

[208] that's Daisy.

[209] My sister -in -law actually works right over there.

[210] And she was like, okay, sure.

[211] And I remember her asking me very randomly, like, I don't know if it was the next day or just a couple hours later, but she asked me if my boyfriend was white.

[212] And I was like, yeah, he's pretty white because I'm not.

[213] And she wasn't.

[214] And we usually would speak Spanish to each other.

[215] And so, So she goes, okay, interesting.

[216] And then I was like, okay, and we left it at that.

[217] And like the next day, she comes up to me and says, like, hey, listen, I know it was weird that I asked you if your husband, your boyfriend was white.

[218] But the reason I asked that is because you said that Crystal is your boyfriend's sister -in -law, right?

[219] Like, she's married to your boyfriend's brother.

[220] And I said, yeah, yeah, that's it.

[221] And she said, well, the person that I know that she's with is not white.

[222] He's like a person of color.

[223] I was like, okay, I don't know anything about that.

[224] And she goes, so your boyfriend's white and his brother is white?

[225] And I'm like, yes, we've been over this.

[226] Everybody is white.

[227] And she just said something like, is your boyfriend's brother alive then?

[228] And I'm like, yeah, he's alive.

[229] Like, he's literally probably at work right now.

[230] Like, he's very alive.

[231] And she goes, okay, well, I don't want to be the one to tell you this, but I will.

[232] Crystal told us all that her husband actually passed away.

[233] She actually told us all that he died.

[234] And she literally has a boyfriend.

[235] Like, her boyfriend works right over there.

[236] His name is Wilson.

[237] And I just like, that was just such a shock to me. I was like, what is happening?

[238] Who says that?

[239] It seemed like she just found out something like she was watching a soap opera.

[240] Like, I can't believe this.

[241] I don't even remember how I felt at that time because I just was like, this is really weird.

[242] Who does that?

[243] I can't even fathom that.

[244] And in my own mind, I kind of just thought that maybe this girl was making this up because that's something really hard to lie about.

[245] And it's really hard to keep up with.

[246] But I just kind of marinated on that for a little bit.

[247] You know, I just like kept it in the back of my mind throughout the day.

[248] And when I got home and I didn't even tell Ben immediately, days later, this girl came back up to me and she had mentioned it to her friends, the other girls that had worked with Crystal.

[249] And I guess they were all like flipping out about this because it was news.

[250] When I eventually decided to tell Ben, I remember that I didn't mention Wilson.

[251] He just said, yeah, it's probably because she's dating someone there or it's probably because she's having an affair.

[252] Here's Aridian's friend and previous co -worker, Amber.

[253] Yeah, everybody knew that Crystal was dating Wilson.

[254] And she had been, so Crystal had actually, she had worked at this place before.

[255] And it was said that she had had an accident.

[256] Once she healed and was healthy again, they allowed her to come back and have the job again.

[257] But she was dating Wilson before.

[258] So when she came back, it just made sense that they started dating again.

[259] They were both supposedly single.

[260] I mean, they took lunch breaks together every day.

[261] They would try to set up threesomes people at work at the temp agency or at the larger corporation because it's in the same building to the point where like it was a known thing.

[262] Like if you're, if you want to do that, just approach them.

[263] They're that couple.

[264] Here's Zachary.

[265] It was common knowledge that Crystal and Wilson were running game on other girls to like have threesomes together.

[266] But they were for sure together together and like he was buying her like bags and shoes and paying for her phone bill and like telling me all kinds of stuff about like he was.

[267] I'm, he's taking me out to dinner and, you know, I got to make sure that I do him real well so he'll buy me what I want for my birthday.

[268] Here's Aridian.

[269] Around this time, like, I started finding out a little bit more and more about all the lies that she had told.

[270] She, I guess, had told some coworkers that her daughter had a brain injury and was needing brain surgery.

[271] And I kept going back and forth because I'm like, maybe there's something I don't know.

[272] Maybe, you know, they're keeping this a secret from Ben and I. Maybe it's true.

[273] Like, maybe there's rumors mixed in with the truth.

[274] I don't know.

[275] But one day, I pulled Lindsay aside at a family dinner that Crystal was not at.

[276] Crystal and Grant were not there.

[277] And I asked Lindsay, has Crystal ever been married before and Lindsay was like no I don't think so and I asked her okay has Crystal ever had brain surgery before and she said not that I know of but I don't know her I guess I haven't known her for that long and then I asked her has Daisy had brain surgery is Daisy okay and she said yeah she's totally fine why are you asking me these things that's weird and I just told her there's these rumors going around at work, and I think I may have stumbled upon something that I didn't mean to.

[278] Come to find out, Crystal has this weird double life at work.

[279] She struck him with her motor vehicle.

[280] She had been under the influence and that she left him there.

[281] In January 2022, local woman Karen Reed was implicated in the mysterious death of her boyfriend, Boston police officer John O 'Keefe.

[282] It was alleged that after an innocent night out for drinks with friends, Karen and John got into a lover's quarrel en route to the next location.

[283] What happens next?

[284] Depends on who you ask.

[285] Was it a crime of passion?

[286] If you believe the prosecution, it's because the evidence was so compelling.

[287] This was clearly an intentional act.

[288] And his cause of death was blunt force trauma with hypothermia.

[289] Or a corrupt police cover -up.

[290] If you believe the defense theory, however, this was all a cover -up to prevent one of their own from going down.

[291] Everyone had an opinion.

[292] And after the 10 -week trial, the jury could not come to a unanimous decision.

[293] To end in a mistrial, it's just a confirmation of just how complicated this case is.

[294] Law and crime presents the most in -depth analysis to date of the sensational case in Karen.

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[297] Here's Zachary.

[298] So at first, I wanted to really, before I went to Aridian and, like, just fully let everything out of the bag, I did want to do some of my own research first and was very Sherlock Holmes about it, if I do say so myself, and went to Aridian and was like, hey, what is your, you know, brother -in -law's name?

[299] And found him on Facebook.

[300] Of course, found more evidence in this entire time.

[301] I'm being like, dude, it's real.

[302] Like this whole, this crazy literally lied to us for six months telling us this whole thing about how destroyed she is and how this whole situation has been so tough for her and her child and everything.

[303] Like her talking about how awful her in -laws were to her and how they just, hated her because they felt like that she should have died instead of him like when i say she went into so much deep like she literally was saying stuff like that about she would be like i hate sitting my daughter to my in -laws because i really feel like like they blame me for his death and like wish that i had died instead of him and they just they they they don't understand that i'm the one who's going through this i when i tell you her and i had conversations about this I mean hours.

[304] I was a real friend to her.

[305] Like, she would literally call me sobbing, being like, my in -laws are so evil.

[306] They don't understand me. We talked about her struggles with her daughter after her husband's death, about how her mom was so evil, even though, like, real, I thought, real friends.

[307] So, of course, real friends go into real detail.

[308] But she literally had this so done out.

[309] that everything that anyone could ask or she had an answer for.

[310] Every detail.

[311] Here's Aridian.

[312] I decided I'm going to get to the bottom of this.

[313] I'm going to do some sleuthing.

[314] I texted Zachary and said, hey, I just have like a super quick question for you.

[315] Has Crystal ever mentioned her husband to you?

[316] I have screenshots of everything.

[317] He said, yeah, she actually mentioned.

[318] to me that he had passed away but like that's it and I go okay thanks for letting me know the conversation ended and I told Ben you know like got him up to date on everything and then the next day I walked up to Zachary again and I said hey the reason why I'm asking you this is because Crystal apparently has been lying about her husband and this is not true.

[319] Her husband's alive.

[320] And I'm really sorry to tell you this, but I think maybe she didn't want us to be friends and figure it out because she told me that I wasn't supposed to trust you for whatever reason.

[321] And now that just tells me a lot about maybe why she didn't want us to be friends.

[322] And he just said, yeah, I really, really don't.

[323] appreciate that she said I was not trustworthy.

[324] We used to be best friends.

[325] This is what I know.

[326] He told me like a very, very vague thing.

[327] Like her husband passed away and she's dating Wilson.

[328] Again, I'm hearing Wilson's name for like the 20th time.

[329] Turns out he was actually piecing everything together on his own and didn't even say it because he didn't really know me that well and didn't really know what was safe to say or not.

[330] So when he noticed that I had no clue, he just didn't say anything.

[331] He was like, I'm staying in my own lane.

[332] This is not my business.

[333] And so we ended our conversation and I went home.

[334] Here's Zachary.

[335] When I feel betrayed by someone that I've had such loyalty for already I'm the type of person that if you come for me, I'm coming for your jugular.

[336] Because I don't mess around with foolishness.

[337] So, add on top of that, me being hurt by this person that I thought it was my friend, I probably did some things that I don't regret because she deserved it, but I just want to throw that out there.

[338] It was not like a thought -out decision of what happened after this.

[339] So I lost it.

[340] I put a Snapchat story up.

[341] Would you like me to read it to you?

[342] I would love it.

[343] Can you read it in like the voice that you wrote it in?

[344] Girl.

[345] I was a little buzz at the time.

[346] I don't know I can read it out all the way, but I'll try.

[347] I said, imagine telling someone that I'm the liar, even though you're the one who lied saying your husband is dead and being a two -bit ho sleeping with a man and saying that you're just staying with him because he buys you things.

[348] Can't relate.

[349] You're going lie on me, I think not, hon. Try again next time.

[350] do not pass go.

[351] Do not collect $200 with your broke ass, taking money from your husband, mama.

[352] Don't come for the queen unless she's sin for you.

[353] Can you talk about her reaction to your post?

[354] And what followed after that?

[355] There was a phone call.

[356] There was Snapchats.

[357] There was three text messages that were, when I say they were freaking encyclopedias, it's not even, I'm not joking.

[358] immediately she sent me snaps being like you don't know who you're fucking with bitch i'll end you like crazy stuff then a phone call with her screaming at me being like do you know what you've done you don't understand what you like going off and so i went off on her it was probably an hour and a half conversation of just straight yelling between her and i back and forth and then text messages of her calling me every name in the book that you can think of.

[359] Homophobic, everything, everything that you can think of.

[360] I got called.

[361] It was pretty vile, so I blocked her number, and I've never spoken to her again.

[362] Here's Aridian.

[363] She started, like, blowing up my phone saying, hey, girl, hey, like, how are you?

[364] And since I didn't respond, she texted again.

[365] And within the hour saying, are you friends with Zach who is steady bashing me right now?

[366] Like I saw a post he made and someone else has been telling me some things that he's saying about me. He's trying to cause a lot of problems for me right now.

[367] Next time.

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