Giant Bombcast 07-19-2011

[0] Hey everyone, it's Tuesday, July the 19th, 2011, and you're listening to the Giant Bombcast.

[1] I'm your host, Emails!

[2] Bombcast at GiantBomb .com.

[3] Your first email coming in from...

[4] What is...

[5] What?

[6] I told you last week I was going to mix it up with emails.

[7] We're doing emails right now, Brad Shoemaker.

[8] I didn't say it.

[9] Yeah, that's right.

[10] Doesn't matter.

[11] This isn't canon.

[12] Tony Dunlap from Seattle.

[13] I don't hear anything.

[14] Hey, Bombcast, what's up with all the Doom 3 hate around Giant Bone?

[15] I'm curious because I really enjoyed it back when I played it in 05 on the Xbox.

[16] I haven't played the PC version.

[17] Phil had a very unique atmosphere, not to mention it was also a critical commercial success.

[18] Is this hate for Doom 3 a generational thing?

[19] Thanks, and keep up the good work, you guys.

[20] Brad, say it.

[21] No. Say it.

[22] No. Say my name.

[23] You know what?

[24] I'll cut it out of another podcast, and he will have already said it.

[25] Whoa, whoa.

[26] I can make him say whatever I want.

[27] What are you doing with that penny over there?

[28] It's a dime.

[29] What are you doing with that dime?

[30] I'm dropping a dime on you.

[31] I'm snitching back.

[32] Smells like weed in here.

[33] Couldn't have set that up any better.

[34] What was the question?

[35] I don't know.

[36] Brad say...

[37] Are we really doing this?

[38] Yeah.

[39] We're really doing emails at the front.

[40] Right now.

[41] He said it.

[42] Okay, there we go.

[43] Bombcast at GiantBomb .com.

[44] Tony Dunglap.

[45] From Seattle.

[46] Okay.

[47] Hey, Bombcast, what's up with all the Doom 3 hate around Giant Bomb?

[48] It's a dumb game.

[49] Heard the rest.

[50] I disagree.

[51] He asked if it was a generational thing.

[52] I think for me, it was an issue of expectations from what id and what top -tier first -person shooters at that time were and were supposed to be.

[53] Also, that was the moment that you realized, wait, it's software.

[54] has shit artists.

[55] Their designs for stuff.

[56] All of the character designs of we're going to update all the classic Doom enemies for 3D high res, futuristic.

[57] You just took the most literal versions of all of these characters that you possibly could.

[58] This is just a head with fangs and a rocket behind it.

[59] Doom 3 is the game that's why we talk about monster closets today, right?

[60] Certainly games before that did it, but it was the game where The graphics had advanced, but the design had not.

[61] And you were like, what?

[62] The visuals just brought the outdated.

[63] Yeah.

[64] That stuff was just brought into stark relief.

[65] But Brad, you like Doom 3, right?

[66] I don't mind it.

[67] It's not offensive to me. I don't think it's a great...

[68] I think it is not a worthy successor to Doom 2.

[69] No, probably not.

[70] Or master levels for Doom 2.

[71] Or also things like this is like, you know, isn't this the follow -up to Quake 3 Arena?

[72] This is the first game that it does since basically mastering first -person shooters.

[73] It was the next game since.

[74] It was not the follow -up 2.

[75] No, no. But I'm saying, like, look at the run that they had up to Doom 3.

[76] Like, it was crazy.

[77] It was, like, genre -defining.

[78] They ran the engine business.

[79] This is, you know, before Unreal was a big deal.

[80] Quick 3 engine was everywhere.

[81] Yeah.

[82] Still is.

[83] Yeah.

[84] It's just floating around one way or another.

[85] And then Doom 3 came out, and very few people licensed that engine, and I never thought that engine looked all that awesome.

[86] Oh, come on, dude.

[87] When that game came out, nothing looked like that.

[88] Well, okay, okay.

[89] The engine was fine, but I agree.

[90] The art assets were dumb.

[91] Yeah, no, it was great tech wasted on it.

[92] Those art assets were totally jean jacket with sleeves cut off.

[93] They made Doom seem dumb.

[94] It was badass.

[95] Maybe it was just enough time had passed, and yes, the stark relief situation you referred to earlier, but it wasn't cool.

[96] There was nothing cool about hell in Doom 3.

[97] It was just like, you're just doing this again, huh?

[98] It was really stupid.

[99] It was a fairly sterile and mechanical representation of hell.

[100] And it was kind of hokey in that outdated way, in a similar outdated way to like Duke Nukem Forever is.

[101] Sort of.

[102] Kind of like that style had worn out its welcome.

[103] So yeah, I mean, Doom 3, yeah.

[104] Doom 3 was a real disappointment.

[105] I mean, I'm not saying it was...

[106] complete garbage or anything like that.

[107] There were some decent things in it, but yes, I also agree, yes.

[108] Considering what it had been working on up until that point, Doom 3, extremely disappointed.

[109] I remember day one going like, man, this ain't, I don't want to, I kind of don't want to play this anymore.

[110] Also, why is there no light on the shotgun?

[111] Bring some duck to it.

[112] I mean, yeah, that part, which was just kind of a frustration.

[113] more than anything else.

[114] Why were these decisions made this way?

[115] Why is this game the way it is?

[116] The question that Tony asks, and I don't know how old Tony is, but he asks if it's a generational thing.

[117] If you saw that game, if you didn't already have the understanding and the knowledge of...

[118] all these games that it had made before, if you weren't deep into Doom and Doom 2, and this was kind of your first exposure to it, and it was just purely about the atmosphere and kind of the mood, which is kind of what all that game is really about, is dark rooms and jump scares.

[119] Which is why I was into it.

[120] Absolutely.

[121] I could see being a little more lenient on it.

[122] A little bit of an Event Horizon -y kind of quality to it.

[123] I don't know.

[124] I could see someone coming to that game with no knowledge of id's history and playing that game and going, why did anyone care about id ever?

[125] But I think it's just as likely to go the other way.

[126] I don't think you can say one way.

[127] But that assumes that they would, I mean, if they have the knowledge of what id is, that's assuming more knowledge.

[128] I guess.

[129] Well, whatever.

[130] The id that made Doom 3 is not the 10 or 12 guys that were making games out of a garage in 1993.

[131] Incredibly salient place.

[132] Those guys were either, you know, departed the company in a couple cases or, like, moving into sort of upper -tier management kind of positions.

[133] I mean, a game like that doesn't get made by 12 people.

[134] Like, you just need more grunt labor, if nothing else, to carry out that much design.

[135] Just turn out the textures and art and stuff.

[136] The textures were cool.

[137] Like on the moving textures, those were cool.

[138] And then the textures on the video players that were video.

[139] Are you air quoting these cool when you say that?

[140] No, because I remember there were like a lot of tentacle stuff.

[141] Everything was wet.

[142] Like the world was well realized.

[143] It was one of those games where everything was wet.

[144] Yeah, wet.

[145] No, it was like one of the first games, though, where everything was wet.

[146] It was tip of the spear.

[147] Sometimes metallic.

[148] Not everything was dripping wet spear.

[149] Other things were metallic.

[150] But it was like wet metallic.

[151] Everything was kind of like – looked like it was like the humidity was too high and it was just kind of sweat was on everything.

[152] But the texture stuff that I really liked were – I don't know if they had been the first ones to do this, but the video monitors had like video on them.

[153] Like full actual real video.

[154] Yeah, not just frames of video.

[155] And that was cool.

[156] Oh, the production values were extremely high throughout, for sure.

[157] And I just kept wondering, oh, is this what you can do when you turn off all the lights?

[158] This is what you can get away with.

[159] The thing for me was just that those production values enabled a really intensely moody environment.

[160] Like you said, it was all about atmosphere, like shooting a bunch of creepy monsters in the dark.

[161] It sure was not about thrilling or...

[162] Innovative combat, that's for sure.

[163] I mean, they still aren't.

[164] I guess not.

[165] You've seen Rage.

[166] The combat feels great from what I've played of it.

[167] At least Rage has options with the weapons.

[168] Building different ammo to put in the guns and stuff like that.

[169] But there are tactical considerations in that game.

[170] The enemies basically take cover.

[171] Or run at you.

[172] Yeah, I was going to say, I didn't see too many of them taking cover.

[173] Some of them will.

[174] There's a lot more of dudes run at you.

[175] I don't know which enemies you see.

[176] There are kind of advanced soldier types later on.

[177] Is Doom...

[178] That's the advanced part.

[179] We have trained ourselves to hide.

[180] Well, no. The guys who run at you are like mutants.

[181] No, I know.

[182] And wasteland monsters.

[183] Is Doom still happening?

[184] Yeah, unless something has changed that we don't know about.

[185] Are they still calling Doom 4?

[186] Did they go back to Doom?

[187] No, it's Doom 4, I think.

[188] Okay.

[189] The way they announced that game was...

[190] Chronicling the continued adventures of Doomguy.

[191] The continuing adventures of, oh no, there are aliens on Mars.

[192] Dude, I love Doomguy.

[193] I think, I'm pretty sure they said Doom 4 is on Earth.

[194] Okay.

[195] If I remember.

[196] All right, yeah.

[197] It is the sequel to Doom 3.

[198] Yeah, even -numbered Doom games take place on Earth.

[199] Everyone knows that.

[200] So even -numbered Doom games are the good ones, like Star Trek.

[201] No. Well, whatever, yeah.

[202] You're right, Star Trek V is underrated.

[203] Ironically, the odd -numbered Quake -ons are the good ones.

[204] That makes sense, because everyone's playing Quake at the even -numbered ones.

[205] Okay, sure.

[206] Quake III, now that's a goddamn video game.

[207] Sure, Doom III.

[208] Especially by comparison.

[209] Quake 3 TNT.

[210] Let's do it.

[211] You want to throw that down?

[212] Have we not done that yet?

[213] No. Did Quake 1.

[214] Yeah, we did Quake 1.

[215] So apparently we're skipping Quake 2.

[216] Orb.

[217] I feel like we have to do due diligence.

[218] We have to do Quake 2 before we get to Quake 3.

[219] No. Only if it's all Rocket Arena.

[220] What was that Doom 3 multiplayer like?

[221] Was that existent?

[222] Like one -on -one?

[223] No, it was like four -player or something.

[224] Was it four or eight?

[225] It was low.

[226] Yeah.

[227] Whatever it was.

[228] Yeah, I remember the time thinking, like, man, to come from, like, Quake 3 to this, like, what do you...

[229] Like, obviously, you're focusing on something different.

[230] Sure, why not?

[231] Granted, you know, Quake 3 was...

[232] Remember where you were looking for a bottle opener?

[233] Or cheese?

[234] Stumbled around the house.

[235] He made some sort of, like, I need to open a beer motion.

[236] It was more like, I need a rig.

[237] Anyone got clean needles in here?

[238] He smelled like he hadn't showered, like, three days.

[239] He always kind of smells that way.

[240] He rides a bike to work.

[241] Yeah, no, I mean, that's why.

[242] I understand why.

[243] I think he spent the weekend here.

[244] I don't know.

[245] No, I came in on Saturday.

[246] I'm joking.

[247] He was not here.

[248] I am joking.

[249] He's perfectly fine.

[250] For sure.

[251] After I slept in the city.

[252] I don't know if you remember the amount of strife that preceded the production of Doom 3 at id. That was like Paul Steed getting out.

[253] Paul Steed fucking got fired over all that shit.

[254] That was back when they were still posting drama in their plan updates.

[255] Right.

[256] That's when they still had plan updates.

[257] It was like they made Quake 3 and then they tried to decide what to do with the company and there was great internal conflict about whether Doom 3 should be made or not.

[258] But I mean, yeah, that's the disadvantage.

[259] I'd be really curious to see what the other factions game was.

[260] I think they've talked about some of that stuff.

[261] I can't remember what.

[262] I'd kind of actually like to go back and look at Doom 3 again because thinking about it in the context of at the time, coming off of Quake 3, which was granted a totally multiplayer -focused game, and then seeing this and just like, all right, great tech, but just really disappointed by the actual game of it.

[263] And I wonder if with a little more distance, what that looks like now.

[264] You know what happened to me in the intervening years since that game came out was I stopped playing.

[265] on a CRT and started playing on an LCD.

[266] And that game is fucking unplayable on a bad LCD.

[267] Because of the dark levels?

[268] Yeah, because you know how kind of cheap LCDs with contrast levels and really dark colors?

[269] You can't see shit in that game.

[270] Oh, yeah.

[271] On my monitor, no. I believe it.

[272] And it's a bummer.

[273] All right, next email comes in from Billy Hayes in McHenry, Maryland.

[274] Hey, GB Crew.

[275] Do you think we will ever see Child of Eden DLCs such as additional levels and stuff?

[276] I'm not sure if the port sales of this game will affect any plans for that.

[277] What do you guys think?

[278] Good care, Vella.

[279] I haven't played Child of Eden yet.

[280] Jeff Gerst.

[281] I'm going to say no. You think that's not going to happen?

[282] I think it's not going to happen.

[283] Brad Shoemaker.

[284] What do you think?

[285] I don't know that with an installed base of, like, what, 25 ,000 people, that I don't think the cost, like, the value proposition is there.

[286] Yeah.

[287] If I was Ubisoft, even if I was Ubisoft, I would not.

[288] What if you were Ubisoft?

[289] What?

[290] That's how my computer pronounces it.

[291] UBI Soft.

[292] That barcode scanning thing I got when it reads all the names.

[293] Yes.

[294] Assassin's Creed 2 by UBI Soft.

[295] Do they do it all caps and separate or something?

[296] Yeah, I don't think so either.

[297] I think it's unfortunate that that game has...

[298] Even though I did not love parts of it, it's still unfortunate that game didn't sell better than it did.

[299] I bought it.

[300] I did my part.

[301] Copies were purchased for sure.

[302] It sounds like they're still going to stick with the...

[303] Weird rumblings about it's going to be $20 in Europe or on the PS3 when it comes out, but Ubisoft's, no. It will be the same price.

[304] For two weeks.

[305] But they were still putting it out there.

[306] We saw these sales numbers for both Child of Eden and Shadows of the Damned, and they were crazy, crazy low.

[307] That was like 34K for Shadows of the Damned.

[308] And something we kind of heard when those games were first coming out was a lot of people saying, I can't find this game anywhere.

[309] A lot of suggestions that there were super limited runs.

[310] Now granted, I also saw like zero...

[311] promotion, marketing, advertising, anything for either of those games anywhere.

[312] Yeah, I mean, if you were a Best Buy going into a game like Shadows of the Damned, what...

[313] what incentive would you have to purchase a lot of copies for your store?

[314] If you look at it and go like, okay, crazy game from crazy Japanese guy whose previous track record is not all that great.

[315] And granted, yeah, he's got the Resident Evil guy on there, but he's not the Resident Evil guy anymore.

[316] And they're not really doing any promotion for it.

[317] Okay, yeah, we need like one copy per store.

[318] How about that?

[319] I mean, that's a game that I feel like from the get -go they were just intending to sell to the crowd of people who follow games online and know what that is and are looking to do that and hoping that word of mouth brought it beyond that.

[320] We went to a Best Buy last week trying to find a copy and they didn't have it.

[321] I had to order it online.

[322] They straight up did not have Shadow of the Game.

[323] What do you think motivated the marketing or the lack of marketing for that game?

[324] I mean, do you think they crunched the numbers and they were like, all right, we can spend...

[325] X number of dollars on marketing to guarantee Y sales and Y was a very low number?

[326] Yeah, probably.

[327] I don't know.

[328] But, like, for as cool as that game is, like, how wide is the audience for it, really?

[329] Is that a game that, you know, if the guy who...

[330] learns about games by seeing ads on television is he gonna go out and buy that game and enjoy it or is he gonna go out and buy that game and make him go out and buy it like aren't a lot of audiences audiences are kind of like made by marketing in a lot of cases right like final fantasy 7 is the classic example Maybe people are a little more savvy now than back then.

[331] But we haven't seen anything like anything that...

[332] I think maybe people are a little more like divided in the types of games they play now.

[333] Yeah, maybe.

[334] Well, I mean, also you can't sucker a bunch of people in with just a bunch of CG movies in a commercial.

[335] Well, people actually know like, oh, I know what a game is now.

[336] I know what a Madden is.

[337] I know what a Call of Duty is.

[338] Sure.

[339] Which is why all you see for those marketing opportunities are Halo, Madden, and Call of Duty.

[340] Man, if you just showed people that skull turning into that motorcycle.

[341] You might be on to something.

[342] Maybe.

[343] I still haven't played my copy.

[344] You maybe just sold me a second copy.

[345] Yeah.

[346] Skull turned into a motorcycle.

[347] It's pretty awesome.

[348] It happens.

[349] God damn it.

[350] Why didn't I play that this weekend?

[351] For as neat as that game is, I wonder if the big mainstream game audience got a hold of that game, if they would actually like it.

[352] It's not even like it needs to be big mainstream audience, but those are crazy, crazy low numbers.

[353] Even by enthusiast standards.

[354] And never mind the Duke numbers.

[355] Don't look at those.

[356] Those are not real numbers.

[357] Those are the numbers of crazy people.

[358] So even trying to make that comparison is no good.

[359] But it's – I'm still not sure what would be the right way to sell them.

[360] I'm not – bus ads for Child of Eden.

[361] Is that going to do it?

[362] It's not really like the moms and kids kind of angle that has helped a fair number of Kinect games find some sort of...

[363] You could make the argument that that's about the right number for that game to sell.

[364] How many people are realistically going to have that game resonate with them?

[365] Okay, so this girl was born on the internet.

[366] Looks in the puddle, and then everything turns black.

[367] I don't know.

[368] And then...

[369] Techno.

[370] Wave your hands around and it shoots, and then...

[371] Crystal Whale.

[372] Techno.

[373] Like, oh, license bands I've heard of?

[374] No. The producer's been putting out some tracks in Japan, and he's going to put his stuff in it?

[375] I go, oh, all right.

[376] That's about 22 ,000 people, right?

[377] Yeah, I guess so.

[378] I still think that game, from everything I've heard about it, and I haven't played it, it sounds like it's something that should have been downloadable.

[379] I think it's right on the cusp.

[380] I think you're right.

[381] And who knows?

[382] Then you start to get into how much money did it cost them to produce?

[383] Do they lose too much money if it's downloadable?

[384] Is the install base of Kinect users into downloading XPLA games?

[385] Hell yeah, I am.

[386] I don't know.

[387] We've got an install base here.

[388] But how many people are out there beating their chest going like, man. They need to listen to me and make a sequel to Rez.

[389] It's kind of the definition of vocal minority, right?

[390] No, but I'm beating my chest here being like, they need to make a Kinect game that I can access and try out a Kinect game.

[391] That's Kinect optional.

[392] It's not even going to...

[393] But I would have bought it just to download it and have something to do on my Kinect.

[394] Yeah, but the onus for that is on Microsoft because they sold you the Kinect.

[395] Ubisoft and Q have nothing to do with that.

[396] And I think the onus for that is on Microsoft also because they...

[397] don't want downloadable connect games yet for another two weeks i got three weeks until fruit ninja comes out what's up with that yeah gun stringer went until they changed fruit ninja to retail i think that's another key i think i think uh gun stringer is another cake a case of like they had the game they got to the point like you're on the edge you're almost big enough to exceed our limits Does it make more sense to make this into a full retail product?

[398] It's kind of the opposite direction.

[399] Are you talking about file size and stuff?

[400] Yeah.

[401] I mean, if Missplosion Man comes in at 2 gigabytes with all that video in there, who knows?

[402] And Child of Eden installs at like 2 .2.

[403] So that's kind of the heartbreaking part about it is you look at it and go like, oh, man, it's like just missed the cutoff.

[404] If they had done a little more work, they probably could have gotten this under the file size.

[405] But who knows what the relationship with Microsoft was like for the production of Child of Eden?

[406] And for Kinect Games as a download, they might not even.

[407] been ready to handle anything like that.

[408] Who could say?

[409] We'll never know.

[410] No DLC.

[411] I think Child of Eden is really great.

[412] I really like it a lot.

[413] But there aren't a ton of me out there.

[414] That's my thought on that.

[415] It probably could have sold more copies and certainly I think Rez did better than that back in the day.

[416] How many of those people are left and how many of those people really care and how many of those people.

[417] I guess it still seems like you could both of those games.

[418] I'm not saying they would be standees on top of fucking Pepsi pyramids at the Safeway.

[419] Man, that'd be great though.

[420] I'm not saying Garcia fucking Hotspur.

[421] Garcia fucking Hotspur says drink a Pepsi.

[422] Get a boner.

[423] Taste my big boner.

[424] Yeah, exactly.

[425] Like, buy this case of Pepsi and get a boner.

[426] There you go.

[427] Taste the strawberry.

[428] It sells itself.

[429] I do that anyway.

[430] It's more of an RC Cola level of promotion anyway, I think.

[431] It's more up their alley.

[432] They're a little more street with it.

[433] Oh, Royal Crown.

[434] Yeah.

[435] The Royal Crown can represent Royal Crown plus Crown Royal.

[436] At Royal Crown, if you've got a big fucking boner, that's the marketing.

[437] Next email comes in.

[438] There you go.

[439] Next email comes in from Jason.

[440] Dear Bobcast, I attended a funeral today.

[441] Awesome.

[442] Great.

[443] I'm glad we do these first now.

[444] It really sets the mood.

[445] I'm not saying now.

[446] This is not permanent format change.

[447] I like it, though.

[448] I'm keeping you guys guessing.

[449] I'm on board.

[450] Anyway, I don't want to laugh.

[451] I don't know when it's going to happen.

[452] No, it's okay.

[453] Funerals.

[454] Dead people.

[455] Tragedy.

[456] That's how I deal with personal tragedy is laugh my way through it.

[457] So why should it be any different here?

[458] Uh, Sierra, I attended a funeral today and it had a small LCD set up in the corner playing a slideshow of the deceased, weddings, birthdays, etc. Anyways, as an accompaniment to the slideshow, there was a soft musical number playing in the background.

[459] I ignored it until my brother -in -law pointed it out.

[460] It was the theme music from the Wii home menu where all the channels and VC games are shown.

[461] What?

[462] At this point, I started humming along with the music, and it triggered a desire to want to play Wii Sports.

[463] I tried to secretly record the Muzak version of the Wii Home Music theme, but couldn't get close enough to the TV without drawing attention as I held up my phone.

[464] Is it possible that some company has decided this music is calming enough to be played at memorial services?

[465] If so, then Wii Shop music should be played at Christings, as it is way more cheerful and full of hope.

[466] Do you think this use of music was appropriate?

[467] I'm not sure what he's talking about, because the actual Wii Home music is not music.

[468] Sort of like a little oscillating kind of – Ambient thing.

[469] Well, it's – I mean – Digitally – I don't even know how to describe it.

[470] It's – I don't know.

[471] It's an ambient soundscape.

[472] It's on some Brian Eno shit.

[473] Yeah.

[474] Toto wrote it.

[475] I don't know if you guys knew that.

[476] Then I want to see girls strip to it.

[477] I think it would have been better if they'd used the Wii Shop music.

[478] Yep.

[479] At the – or at least at the – not the actual memorial but after the fact.

[480] No, I think for the actual – because, I mean, nothing really says personal loss quite like we wear.

[481] Yeah.

[482] Too true.

[483] Let's see here.

[484] This next email is about vomit.

[485] It's from Matt Makowski in Villa Park, Illinois.

[486] Dear Bombcast, the other day during the inaugural wearing of my I'm a Wizard shirt, I threw up for the first time since, literally, October of 1997.

[487] The end of one era and the beginning of another.

[488] Now I will always be reminded of this momentous event.

[489] Every time I put that shirt on, I thought you guys should know.

[490] So there you go.

[491] Matt will think of barf whenever he thinks of us.

[492] There's our marketing.

[493] One of the many.

[494] Yeah.

[495] He ain't the only one on the list.

[496] Let's see.

[497] Next thing it comes in from Brian Peterson.

[498] If that's your real name.

[499] Sounds like a fake name to me. This question I'm going to look at Vinny and Jeff for this.

[500] What is the little fly?

[501] I don't know.

[502] He's looking at me too.

[503] He is.

[504] After playing a bit of Misplosion Man, I find myself losing track of where she is during the large boss fights when you are zoomed way out.

[505] While the busy background is certainly a problem, the bigger issue for me is that her pink body is just too similar to a lot of the environmental colors for my red -green colorblind eyes to pick out.

[506] Man, I feel vindicated.

[507] This is awesome.

[508] If anyone, probably Jeff, also experienced this, so that's why I throw it to the colorblinds.

[509] I haven't gotten that far.

[510] I only did one or two boss battles, but yeah.

[511] Everything gets lost.

[512] You fight the octopus.

[513] It sounds like everything gets lost whether you can see color or not.

[514] Yes.

[515] Colorblindness is not an issue.

[516] The contrast in the character is not great against a lot of the backgrounds, but also the camera goes way the fuck out.

[517] What do you want to call it?

[518] The silhouette, the shape of that character, is basically a stick figure.

[519] At a great distance, that is really hard to pick out against a busy, colorful background.

[520] Especially when you explode, there's a big cloud over you for a couple seconds.

[521] You're like, where am I going?

[522] There's a bunch of flying car sequences that other people I have seen complaining about.

[523] When you jump off of each of the flying cars, it explodes into a bunch of debris and stuff.

[524] It's really easy to get lost in that.

[525] It's just a bunch of little stuff like that.

[526] I got some of those car sequences.

[527] What did you think?

[528] They were kind of frustrating.

[529] I really wanted to like that.

[530] I don't hate the game.

[531] It's decent.

[532] It's a different experience.

[533] It's not as good as the first one.

[534] No. But it's a forward momentum kind of experience.

[535] It's different than like Meat Boy or something where you're stopping, you're waiting for stuff to go by.

[536] It's very much just like go, go, go, go.

[537] Once you get going, don't stop.

[538] Yeah, totally, totally.

[539] Did you finally Mr. Miyagi that fly?

[540] Yeah, I think I had Daniel Sun that fly and missed.

[541] Gross.

[542] Jacob Casper in Austin, Texas.

[543] After finishing Duke Nukem Forever tonight and watching the extras videos, I noticed that every two or three years it seemed like they completely remade the entire game.

[544] The plots changed and so did almost all the material they were showcasing.

[545] My question is, do you think there are several nearly completed projects out there under the name Duke Nukem Forever that they simply never shipped?

[546] Yeah, there are three.

[547] But not nearly completed.

[548] Well, there are three different iterations.

[549] Well, not counting the one that came out.

[550] Right.

[551] Four total.

[552] Did any of you guys listen to the thing?

[553] What's Leo Laporte's game show they're doing?

[554] Fleshlight.

[555] You know what I'm talking about.

[556] Yeah.

[557] Glenn's on it.

[558] Twit.

[559] No, no. They have a game show specifically.

[560] Yes, at the controls.

[561] Anyway, one of the hosts' brother worked at Three Realms.

[562] I don't know if you'd...

[563] Anyway, I listened to the whole thing.

[564] He called in and talked for like 30 minutes.

[565] Yeah.

[566] And he said specifically they started over three other times.

[567] I'm pretty sure the number was four.

[568] I might be putting my foot in my mouth here, but I'd swear he said that there were four separate distinct games.

[569] Sidebar, I would love to see one of the Half -Life 2s that Valve threw out.

[570] They made pretty quickly after the original Half -Life shipped.

[571] They were cranking on something that was going to be the same engine.

[572] like a pretty close follow -up that got scrapped and I believe was actually pretty far along at that point.

[573] So, yeah, you know, I think we'll never see more than a couple of screenshots of these things.

[574] I think there were legal issues was one of the things that I remember when they first announced it, when we were talking to Randy Pitchford about it, saying like, oh, dude, it'd be really cool.

[575] Do some special edition, like compile this stuff in some weird way and get it out there.

[576] And he was just like, ah, like legally it'd be weird.

[577] So.

[578] I believe that.

[579] Everything about that project is weird.

[580] Yeah.

[581] Next email comes in from Sankis.

[582] Spiders is the subject line.

[583] And actually the subject line is I'm just going to show you my iPad.

[584] Spiders!

[585] Two exclamation points.

[586] Just two?

[587] I could use a few in here.

[588] Get rid of this fly.

[589] I thought I'd let you know that while they are arachnids, the critter known as Daddy Long Legs is not in fact a spider.

[590] Furthermore, you are correct.

[591] They are not very deadly and yet unable to pierce flesh.

[592] There are no known species with poison glands.

[593] Also, they're called Harvestmen, which is an awesome name for a thing.

[594] I like it.

[595] Sounds like they're from the Killzone universe.

[596] Harvestmen.

[597] I know.

[598] It sounds like some kind of scarecrow.

[599] It sounds like they should be in Westfall.

[600] Yeah.

[601] So they are spiders but not arachnids?

[602] No, they're arachnids, not spiders.

[603] Not spiders.

[604] Is it the segmented body?

[605] Does he go into detail?

[606] It's the number of legs.

[607] It's the number of legs, right?

[608] I thought the daddies have eight.

[609] Scorpion is an arachnid, right?

[610] Yeah.

[611] Yeah, they said it's more closely related to the scorpion.

[612] There you go.

[613] You learn things.

[614] A lot of stuff to learn.

[615] Get over here.

[616] Get it?

[617] Scorpions, right?

[618] Roger Rees in Santa Monica, California.

[619] Hey, Bombcast.

[620] Question for everyone.

[621] When you put on your shoes, do you go left or right first, both socks on before shoes, or do you do a complete foot before moving on to the next?

[622] I only ask because I found myself picking up my right shoe the other day only to probably put it down and put the left one on.

[623] Also, I do both socks first.

[624] Vinny?

[625] Both socks first.

[626] I have no idea.

[627] Left or right.

[628] Okay.

[629] Jeff.

[630] Yeah, I mean, obviously you put both socks on because you don't do those both at the same time.

[631] Brad.

[632] Right first, sock then shoe, sock then shoe.

[633] Yeah, I'm with Brad.

[634] Also, sock then shoe, sock then shoe.

[635] I don't want to wear socks ever, so the only time that I put on socks is when I have to put on shoes.

[636] Putting on socks is like a...

[637] As you get out of the shower, dry yourself off, you put on all the clothes, and then before you leave the house, you put the shoes on and go.

[638] No, I put the shoes and the socks on before I leave the house.

[639] Barefoot in the house until I have to go out the door.

[640] Absolutely.

[641] You guys are fucking dust heads.

[642] No. Socks are living free.

[643] Socks are bullshit, man. Slavery?

[644] Oh, my God.

[645] Footpants.

[646] They're so bad.

[647] Bigger question of protocol.

[648] Do you hold the sock at the very end and just pull it all the way up, or do you bunch it up?

[649] Oh, that's a good way to rip your heel on your sock.

[650] So you just kind of bunch it up so that you just sort of slip it over the toe.

[651] I wear short socks, so it's not so much an issue.

[652] Yeah, but you've got to bunch it up.

[653] If you're doing a full -length sock, absolutely.

[654] You ruin those socks.

[655] No doubt.

[656] Let's see here.

[657] Ilano Reyes from Reseda, California.

[658] What is your criteria for shopping for a brand -new pillow?

[659] I am about to move from my current address, and looking at new pillows has been by far my most contentious purchase.

[660] When comparing brands and sizes, I can never tell how long a pillow will last nor how it will feel on my actual bed.

[661] Are there any tests I can perform in the store to ensure a high -quality product without actually buying the pillow or getting arrested?

[662] Thanks.

[663] Keep up the good work.

[664] I always go with a smother test how long it takes to kill somebody just in case.

[665] Because some are – some you can breathe through.

[666] Some are permeable.

[667] Yeah.

[668] So you need one of those big Tempur -Pedic ones because that's like – you just die.

[669] It's thick.

[670] Yeah.

[671] I don't know.

[672] I bought some big ones.

[673] Just bought big pillows.

[674] I bought some big ones.

[675] Material -wise, what do you go for, Vinny?

[676] So I've got one of those, like, Tempur -Pedic pillows.

[677] It's like memory foam?

[678] Yeah, I've got a big memory foam pillow.

[679] Okay.

[680] And I kind of like it, but I also use a – I need thick, really, really, like, two -foot -thick pillows.

[681] Yeah.

[682] I've kind of got broad shoulders.

[683] Yeah.

[684] So I either need, like, seven pillows or, like, a couple of really thick ones.

[685] I just take the pillow and put it on its side.

[686] Yeah, crunch it in half.

[687] Yeah, so that's part of my big pillow.

[688] thing is that, yeah, I can put it up on its side and put my head on that and sleep on my side.

[689] Material -wise, Jeff, what kind of pillow material?

[690] I don't even know.

[691] Down.

[692] Are they down?

[693] Is there a foam core?

[694] Sure.

[695] You would know if there was a foam core.

[696] Okay.

[697] They're pillows, man. It'd be hard in the middle.

[698] There ain't no hardness in my pillow, man. I don't care what you heard.

[699] If you tried to bend it, it would just bend right back if it was a foam core.

[700] All right, well, it doesn't have that then.

[701] Brad, how do you feel about pillows?

[702] Ever since I started living in sin, they seem to be multiplying in my house.

[703] Yeah, you definitely have more pillows now.

[704] How does that happen?

[705] They just, they fucking, they bring them.

[706] More pillows are cool.

[707] There's like eight or ten pillows in my house.

[708] Yeah, it just never happened before.

[709] I have two pillows for the entirety of my life.

[710] You have shams.

[711] And now, yeah, and there's like, some of them are down because I see feathers going everywhere.

[712] And then I thought there's at least a couple like sort of weird gel pillow.

[713] I don't mind hello pillows except for the part.

[714] where then when it's time to go to bed, I am throwing all these pillows on the floor.

[715] You do those pillows but throw them everywhere.

[716] You stack them up.

[717] Not so much here, but back in New York where it was actually hot.

[718] You guys probably have it up north.

[719] Yeah, flip that pillow in the middle of the night.

[720] Oh, man. Get the cool side of that pillow.

[721] So I have a kind of foam core pillow right now because I also, you know, broad shoulders, I need something that.

[722] Otherwise you're just.

[723] Yeah, otherwise my neck's off to the side and it sucks because I am occasionally a side sleeper.

[724] So that's great.

[725] The foam core has been awesome because usually it would be like, all right, I need like four or five pillows that I'm going to sink my head into and then like once I'm actually settled, that will be the appropriate height because they're all down or whatever.

[726] But this is like I have one pillow and it's totally good for me. The problem is that I don't get the good, cool side of the pillow with whatever the material that this is made out of.

[727] You can't flip it?

[728] I can flip it.

[729] It's just the – it's not as dramatic.

[730] I feel like with, like, a down pillow, I get that cold side.

[731] It's like, oh, yeah, give me that cold side of the pillow.

[732] Well, the other problem with the memory foam stuff is, like, when you flip it over, there's just the imprint of your gun that you didn't have to, like, settle your head back into because it does keep, like, the – And sometimes the grease.

[733] like gets in it yeah in that side of the pillow because you know it's like pressing up against the pistol all night oh I'm sorry I thought you were talking about my biceps yeah pressing up against your pistol oh when you're spooning my guns yeah just your guns yeah I thought yeah you're right I do my guns do leave an impression imprint of a like Popeye anchor just comes off like silly putty I also keep canned spinach out of there it's true For home defense.

[734] That's right.

[735] Shit's going to pop off.

[736] Oh, shit.

[737] Fuck.

[738] I need to go and stuff this can of spinach down my corncob pipe.

[739] You know what I mean?

[740] I don't.

[741] Things are going to get crazy around here tonight.

[742] How do you cool down after that?

[743] The other side of the pillow does not work out anymore.

[744] It's not good enough.

[745] It's got to run around in circles.

[746] So I guess the answer is, dude, we don't know how to buy pillows.

[747] Ask me if you could sleep in the store or something.

[748] I don't know how to buy anything bed -related.

[749] I'm still sleeping on a busted -ass mattress.

[750] For me, it's been trial and error.

[751] For me, it's been like, all right, I'll buy this pillow.

[752] I don't like this pillow.

[753] I need a different kind of pillow.

[754] If it's like five feet long and made in the shape and image of a large -breasted woman, you've made some wrong choices.

[755] No, you should be good.

[756] Should be good to go.

[757] I got this Catherine pillowcase now.

[758] Did they really send you a pillowcase?

[759] The deluxe edition with the game comes with a pillowcase.

[760] That's a regular pillowcase?

[761] Sadly, yeah.

[762] It's not like a real body pillow.

[763] It's not like a creepy anime body pillow thing.

[764] I mean, it's still an anime pillowcase.

[765] Yes, it still is an anime pillowcase.

[766] They didn't go all the way, though.

[767] I don't know how to feel about that game.

[768] I don't know either.

[769] I just popped it in and we'll start playing it.

[770] I really don't know.

[771] We'll start playing it soonish.

[772] Next email comes in anonymously.

[773] Oh, my God.

[774] I recently met Rovio executive Julian Forgard.

[775] Uh -huh.

[776] And he actually informed me that many of the Angry Birds developers were actually musicians working on their own Angry Birds songs.

[777] Perhaps this is the reason why they did not return contact for Buckner and Garcia.

[778] Hmm.

[779] Competition in the space.

[780] Yeah, it might have been like, hey, we've already got, we're already working on.

[781] We've got like 20 of those.

[782] On these Angry Birds songs, so we're good, you guys.

[783] Hmm.

[784] The mystery just widens here.

[785] Kieran Murphy from Chicago, Illinois.

[786] Dear Bombcast, what's worse, walking barefoot through a public pool locker room or pooping in a gas station?

[787] Vinny Caravella.

[788] Pooping in a gas station.

[789] Yeah.

[790] Yeah, totally.

[791] Barefoot through what?

[792] Public pool locker room.

[793] Man, that's a toss -up.

[794] Come on.

[795] Pooping in a gas station?

[796] That's tough.

[797] The thing is I feel like there are harder – yeah.

[798] Public pool locker room can be gnarly.

[799] Yeah, you know why?

[800] Because you're more likely to catch something from that locker room.

[801] You're right, and I'm not saying it's logical, but my feet are invincible.

[802] That's the view I have.

[803] That's what every dude at the gym that we go to seems to think as well.

[804] But I feel like, yes, maybe percentage -wise, you're more likely to catch something at the public pool locker room, but the thing you catch at that gas station will kill you.

[805] What?

[806] The thing you put your butt down that creeps into your butt.

[807] That is going to kill you.

[808] The rattlesnakes they keep in the gas station toilet?

[809] The feces toilet.

[810] Have you ever used a gas station?

[811] I mean, he's talking about like a gnarly gas station bathroom.

[812] I mean, yeah, sure.

[813] I'm talking like hubcap on the keychain.

[814] Also, I think we've touched on to something which is important here, which is feet are invincible, but is not.

[815] Fair.

[816] That is direct entry.

[817] Yeah, but is vulnerable as hell.

[818] Now you're sitting over there talking about like rusty metal and stuff.

[819] I would hope you would look before you sit.

[820] Well, I mean, sometimes the lights don't work.

[821] You never know what's going on in there.

[822] Yeah, I think I would just find another bathroom.

[823] If the lights did not work.

[824] I don't want to talk about this anymore.

[825] Yeah, this is terrible.

[826] Not an option in this nightmare scenario.

[827] Well, it's good because we're out of emails, so thanks to everyone who wrote in.

[828] That was refreshing.

[829] I'd rather take a shit on the public pool floor than in the bathroom.

[830] All right, that's it for the podcast.

[831] All right, we're done.

[832] Emails, we're done.

[833] So maybe you're right.

[834] Maybe walking on the floor was a worse idea because I've done taking a poop on there.

[835] Yeah.

[836] Then he decided to cop a squat right there in the middle.

[837] Does that mean you have to walk around in the gas station toilet?

[838] Barefoot?

[839] And he shit right on the little grid thing that's supposed to keep your feet off of the tile floor.

[840] So it's just getting there in between the little hexagons.

[841] I thought you were going to say all over the shower drain and now it's filling up with water.

[842] But the water is tainted.

[843] Worst of all worlds.

[844] This coffee is delicious.

[845] That awful last email notwithstanding, that was a refreshing change of pace.

[846] I'm glad you liked it.

[847] I was thinking last week you specifically said you just hadn't been feeling it, hadn't found your thing, and I said I would mix it up for you, so there you go.

[848] Thank you.

[849] Vinny Caravella.

[850] Hey, man. How's it going?

[851] How are you doing?

[852] I'm doing okay.

[853] Check, check, check.

[854] I had a great weekend.

[855] Sound great.

[856] Yeah.

[857] What'd you do?

[858] You did.

[859] You did sound great.

[860] Great.

[861] What did you do?

[862] Why was your weekend so great?

[863] Friday night, went out drinking with an old bartender, which, you know, it's...

[864] With a young...

[865] You know, it's...

[866] Known for a long time.

[867] An ex -bartender.

[868] An ex -bartender, yes.

[869] My old bartender.

[870] Yes.

[871] Some people have a barber.

[872] Some people have a mechanic.

[873] I think a lot of people have a bartender.

[874] A bartender.

[875] But she's no longer a bartender, so we said goodbye to her there.

[876] That was fun.

[877] It was good to see some folks and say goodbye to them and be the last time I'll ever go into that godforsaken bar.

[878] How was your rendition of This is How We Do It?

[879] Oh, we never made it.

[880] No?

[881] No, we sat there for a while and made fun of the lesbians, and then we left.

[882] Wait, did you actually go in the bar at some point?

[883] Oh, this was...

[884] This was way later.

[885] Way after that.

[886] Yeah, this was after...

[887] Dude got kicked out of the one bar.

[888] Oh, God.

[889] Yeah, remember that?

[890] Talking about Terry?

[891] Was that who that guy was?

[892] Big tall dude tried to fight the bartender?

[893] Yes, yes, yes.

[894] That was crazy.

[895] I had no idea what was going on.

[896] I asked around a little bit.

[897] He's well known.

[898] Yeah, no, it sounded like his ejection was...

[899] Warranted.

[900] Yeah, it was definitely warranted.

[901] It's not a new thing.

[902] And then I came...

[903] So then I crashed at a friend's house in the city.

[904] Got up in the morning, feeling awful.

[905] Just a good, proper old man hangover.

[906] You're feeling like your calves, and you're like, oh, one of my legs hurt.

[907] It's not like I was running or anything last night.

[908] Or were you?

[909] It's just all of these – no, because I can actually – I can plot the evening.

[910] So no danger of that, but I got a – A text from my friend saying, hey, we're going to go to the world's greatest omelet place.

[911] I said, I would love to go to the world's greatest omelet place with you, but I'm too hungover.

[912] This is my friend who is a paramedic.

[913] Oh, right.

[914] And so I said, do you think they would let you run an IV on me at the Omelet Express?

[915] And he said, no, but I've got the stuff here, so if you want to come to my house.

[916] We can do that here.

[917] I'm like, that sounds great.

[918] I will be there directly.

[919] I thought that doesn't work the day.

[920] I thought I had to do it the night before.

[921] What, the IV?

[922] Yeah, the flush.

[923] No, that works.

[924] Absolutely.

[925] It's not a flush.

[926] It's just – Oh, just saturating.

[927] It's just getting all the fluids back into you because the worst part about being hungover is the dehydration.

[928] So this just rehydrates you.

[929] It's a saline bag or something, right?

[930] Well, this he actually had.

[931] He had a saline bag that had like potassium and like – Electrolytes.

[932] Electrolytes, yeah, a bunch of like – it was actually way better than just pure salines.

[933] Although it turns out I would be – Recari sweat into bags.

[934] It turns out I would be a terrible junkie because my friend could not find my veins on either of my arms, which is why I now have sweet junkie arms going on here.

[935] Yikes.

[936] This is a clear sign that something went wrong.

[937] Something is up in your life that you've got to take care of.

[938] Spending too much time on gas station bathrooms.

[939] Yeah.

[940] So I was...

[941] brutally rebuffed for trying to do an end around on my hangover.

[942] Did you never get it in?

[943] No, he ran out of needles.

[944] He tried to do one arm and couldn't find it.

[945] Oh, man. And then tried to do the other and couldn't find it and didn't have any more needles.

[946] Was he at home?

[947] Yeah.

[948] Did he have, like, the orange wastebasket or something for the needles?

[949] I mean, he has the little, like, it's the little tube thing that's the medical waste seal.

[950] Okay.

[951] Yeah.

[952] So he has to throw needles.

[953] No, but by the time we were done, there's, like, his bathroom's covered in blood and there's just medical waste everywhere.

[954] Oh, God.

[955] And we were just laughing at, like, this is such a bad, nasty scene in here.

[956] Somebody walks in and just, huh?

[957] Everything about this just looks like...

[958] The wrong thing.

[959] And then he bought me breakfast to make up for it.

[960] So you did wind up going to the omelet place?

[961] Oh, hell yeah.

[962] And how was it?

[963] Oh, fucking so good.

[964] Great.

[965] Worth the blood.

[966] Love that omelet place.

[967] Don Taylor there.

[968] Don Taylor was repping large.

[969] Was he ever not there?

[970] So I had been talking to someone about Thai horse fighting and how Don Taylor had introduced me to the concept of Thai horse fighting.

[971] By showing me a picture of himself in a Thai magazine or a Thai newspaper.

[972] He's like, I was over there on business.

[973] Here, look at me in this magazine.

[974] Right, business.

[975] And then also above.

[976] No, it's like it's him and like two other people standing there.

[977] It's clearly some sort of.

[978] There's blood everywhere and all these dirty needles.

[979] But he's like, yeah, check this out.

[980] Here's an article above it about Thai horse fighting.

[981] It's a picture of these two horses fucking going at it.

[982] So I go to the place and I was telling this story.

[983] This was years ago that I saw this stuff.

[984] I was so blown away.

[985] I went to the restaurant and went into the men's room and he had all of that shit framed on the wall in there.

[986] So I was totally able to confirm, yes, this is where Thai horse fighting, my exposure to Thai horse fighting started right here.

[987] Thank you, Don Taylor.

[988] You're welcome.

[989] That guy's a baller.

[990] Still just walking around his restaurant.

[991] Keeping the law.

[992] Quality of the waitresses.

[993] Still high.

[994] Still exactly what you want.

[995] He has not changed anything about the way he does.

[996] It's stable.

[997] Omelette Express in Railroad Square, Santa Rosa.

[998] I cannot recommend it enough.

[999] Get the number one.

[1000] Number one.

[1001] And then I wheeled from there over to my dad's house and checked out a bunch of baby raccoons.

[1002] Aww.

[1003] My stepmom is working for a wildlife rescue place and so they have like four, I think nine week old baby raccoons.

[1004] If you want some adult raccoons, I got a storm drain in front of my house that's like at least 40 in there.

[1005] I want babies.

[1006] There's probably some babies.

[1007] Probably.

[1008] But these are orphaned, so they have to be hand -fed.

[1009] Are they going to be released back into the wild?

[1010] You're just going to go dump them in my storm drain, aren't you?

[1011] Fucking assholes.

[1012] That's the plan.

[1013] No, they'll be at their house for maybe a few more weeks, and then they will go back to the...

[1014] The wildlife rescue where they will be allowed to wild up more.

[1015] Basically, it's like they're trying to limit human interaction.

[1016] Even at my dad's, they're trying to limit human interaction there.

[1017] And then they'll train them how to tip over a trash can.

[1018] They'll do that even further.

[1019] And then I guess they have these huge tracks of property both in Sonoma and Mendocino County where people who own these pieces of property say, yes, you can go and release animals onto my property.

[1020] So that's where they will go eventually.

[1021] Baby raccoons.

[1022] Are they nursing rats back while they're at it, too?

[1023] Just like how many different suburban annoyances can they possibly nurture back down?

[1024] Not yet.

[1025] Fine, they were there.

[1026] They get that bus ticket.

[1027] Well, then that's why you've got to fight them.

[1028] Yeah.

[1029] If you want to be in the suburbs, guess what?

[1030] You've got to fight raccoons.

[1031] That's why you buy the mole bombs and start throwing them in your storm drain.

[1032] Those big raccoons are gnarly.

[1033] They do not fuck around.

[1034] One standing on top of the other one.

[1035] Wearing a trench coat.

[1036] Yeah.

[1037] Trying to get into an R -rated movie.

[1038] Coming up my door saying, hey, you want to donate?

[1039] Buy some Girl Scout cookies.

[1040] You are not Girl Scouts.

[1041] You are not.

[1042] You are two raccoons.

[1043] Wearing a Harpo.

[1044] Jesus, he's figured it out.

[1045] So, yeah, so all that stuff happened on Saturday, and it was a good time in general.

[1046] Then on Sunday, played the shit out of Trench.

[1047] Finished Trench.

[1048] I only have one gold star left to get.

[1049] Entrenched.

[1050] So that was good.

[1051] And then I also played a little bit of a video game that is called by the title of Bastion.

[1052] What's that?

[1053] It's just a game.

[1054] Is that what they changed Trench to in Europe?

[1055] That's right.

[1056] It's now called Bastion.

[1057] We're going to talk about Bastion.

[1058] This is time to talk about...

[1059] I think we can talk about Bastion.

[1060] We're going to do this.

[1061] As of today.

[1062] So I believe I am the one at the table who has not finished the game yet.

[1063] I believe from talking to Jeff that I'm about the halfway point.

[1064] Yeah.

[1065] Close to it.

[1066] So, you know, preface this as kind of we have everything that we've said about Bastion and talking about Supergiant games.

[1067] You know, we're pretty close to those dudes.

[1068] We've all known Greg for a really long time.

[1069] And, you know, we've been pretty close to the development process of this game.

[1070] We've been exposed to huge amounts of this game prior to it coming out.

[1071] Probably more than just about anyone outside of Supergiant games.

[1072] That said, that game's pretty fucking awesome.

[1073] Fucking awesome.

[1074] And it was actually something I realized this morning.

[1075] One of the things that's really impressive about it, that because I've seen that game so damn much, we've done those Building the Bastion videos, and Vinny, I'm sure you can attest to this too, I had kind of lost sight of just how awesome both the...

[1076] the art style in that game is, just how good all of the art assets look, but also how striking the, like, world coming up in front of you, like, that thing really is.

[1077] Yeah.

[1078] Because I've just seen it for so long, and then in time, it's like, oh, yeah, it's Bastion.

[1079] You know, you run around, and you're the kid.

[1080] It's like, oh, wait, no, it's this incredible thing where you're kind of, wherever you're going, the path is just, you know, building up under your feet, and it's incredible.

[1081] When you just let the game do its thing.

[1082] It kind of sucks you in and takes over for a bit.

[1083] I think that's the part we were kind of missing, having Amir and Greg and all those guys come by and show us bits and pieces of the game and then kind of jump out.

[1084] But once you just let yourself play the game and get into the world, very different.

[1085] I was actually really taken aback at how much.

[1086] I had not seen of that game having looked at all that footage and seen everything.

[1087] I also wasn't entirely sold.

[1088] Pleasantly surprised.

[1089] I wasn't entirely sold from what they had shown us on the combat.

[1090] They were clearly going for something that was deeper and more action -oriented than your average RPG.

[1091] I always felt like their goal of we're going to make this very...

[1092] responsive, very action -oriented combat system for this isometric perspective.

[1093] I always felt like those two things were kind of incongruous.

[1094] I'm not sure why, but that seemed like an odd combination to me. But getting to actually play it and feeling the difference of the weapons and kind of experiencing that depth, I was, again, very impressed with how all that stuff came together.

[1095] Yeah, there were a bunch of weapons that I hadn't seen before and stuff like that.

[1096] Yeah, it's funny.

[1097] It wasn't until right before E3 that I finally played a part of that game that wasn't just the demo area.

[1098] Right.

[1099] That had been the last part I had seen, and I played through that demo area probably three separate times, I guess, over the course of us seeing that game.

[1100] And then just out of context, saw this part that was way later in the game and played this part that was way later and died twice.

[1101] I was like, man, this is actually fucking hard.

[1102] Like, man, I didn't realize this game was going to be hard.

[1103] But it's actually just one of those things that as you get used to those weapons and get used to the combat and stuff, by the time you reach that point in the real game, it's actually not.

[1104] hard, you're perfectly well equipped to deal with that situation.

[1105] It's just a matter of getting familiar with the combat system.

[1106] There's almost a shocking degree of flexibility in the different options you have and the way that you can customize that.

[1107] Oh, and the way you can play that game.

[1108] I'm currently rocking just guns.

[1109] Just guns.

[1110] Double guns in both slots?

[1111] Yeah, all I have is fucking guns.

[1112] And guess what's awesome?

[1113] Because the narrator talks about it.

[1114] He has awesome shit to say about a dude who rolls around with just guns.

[1115] There are recorded lines for practically every combination of two weapons you can think of to put together.

[1116] Yeah, no, I had another good one where he was talking about just like the history of this specific weapon combination and like, yeah, just...

[1117] Yeah, that...

[1118] That narration stuff.

[1119] It's the kind of thing where people are going to be going around for weeks or months trying to emulate not just the gravelly tone of voice, but the style of speech.

[1120] But they're not going to do it well because it's really hard to do that well.

[1121] But that game does it really well.

[1122] It's something else.

[1123] I pretty much always had the hammer with me, except in situations where when you're finding new weapons, it's swapping them out.

[1124] I enjoyed most of the weapons, I'd say, but I kept coming back to the hammer and the pistols because that was the most effective combo for me. I just don't like the hammer.

[1125] You get that hammer upgraded?

[1126] You fuck shit up.

[1127] I don't doubt it, but I really like just the speed of the machete.

[1128] Huh.

[1129] I'd rather attack fast.

[1130] Bummer for me with the machete is you can't move while you're swinging it.

[1131] And you swing it so fast that means you stop moving constantly.

[1132] I did the hammer and the pistols on the first playthrough and I thought that was the combination.

[1133] Like that is the game -breaking weapon or whatever you're going to do with it because I was tearing it up at the end too.

[1134] And then the second playthrough I forced myself to use something else and then I thought that that was the combination.

[1135] There are multiple weapons where on the final upgrade slot you can choose to ignore armor, which I think is key.

[1136] That's the thing for me that I want out of whatever two.

[1137] weapons i've got yeah yeah the pistols can ignore all right now i'm just like at a distance these plant things are closing up and shelling up but fuck you die right like that's which is so great too because i i feel like that's what makes the game keep moving forward at a good pace because like At some point, you're like, oh, I've got to dodge block for these armored enemies.

[1138] I've got to turn around and do the whole dance.

[1139] And then at some point, you're like, no, not anymore.

[1140] I figured it out.

[1141] I've gotten good enough at this game now and have enough spirits equipped to not ever worry about it.

[1142] And these weapons will just tear through you.

[1143] Maybe you're ready to turn on some idols.

[1144] Yeah.

[1145] What do you think?

[1146] Yeah, definitely.

[1147] It's probably – well, maybe this has been done before.

[1148] I've never seen it.

[1149] But it's probably the coolest kind of – user -customizable difficulty system I've ever seen.

[1150] It's the Halo Skulls.

[1151] It's definitely been done before.

[1152] You're right.

[1153] It's totally that.

[1154] But the way that it's integrated into the fiction.

[1155] Well, the Halo Skulls, in a lot of cases, the skulls are just for laughs and stuff.

[1156] There are a few that are for laughs.

[1157] I know there are some that are certainly for difficulty, but this is just across the board.

[1158] It's just, this game's going to get hard as fuck if you turn all this stuff on.

[1159] Yeah, I turned them all on on the second playthrough and lasted about...

[1160] 20 seconds.

[1161] You get destroyed.

[1162] You beat all the arenas with all of them on?

[1163] You are looking at the current world champion of Bastion.

[1164] Number one on all four leaderboards.

[1165] The current retail champion.

[1166] Well, sure.

[1167] The way it ranks, there's the little combat challenge levels that you can spawn off of the Bastion.

[1168] I just feel like we should have the competition between you and one of the super giant guys on Thursday.

[1169] See how you hold up.

[1170] I don't know how they handle it because those leaderboards for those combat levels are...

[1171] at least looking at the leaderboard, they're purely ranked on how many of the idols you have turned on when you play through them.

[1172] I thought there were specific ones as well because I took number one by just turning on one idol and somebody else had three idols.

[1173] No, if you look at the leaderboard, it just shows a row of checkboxes for all ten of the idols.

[1174] And the more of those you have checked, the higher you are.

[1175] And there are some idols that give you a 10 % bonus and some that will give you a 5%.

[1176] Yeah, some are considered harder than others.

[1177] Okay, so that's what I mean.

[1178] Yeah, they are weighted in that way.

[1179] What I'm saying is what happens when 100 or 1 ,000 more people beat those levels with all 10 idols?

[1180] I don't know how it's going to sort.

[1181] that list or is it just like Braid where the first person who did it is just the first person?

[1182] Are you just number one forever now?

[1183] Is that what you're wondering?

[1184] I hope so.

[1185] But there's also a score associated.

[1186] No, not there.

[1187] There's a score associated with like the story.

[1188] So the story leaderboard has a score on it but these other three things do not have numbers.

[1189] You may not have even seen those yet where you're at.

[1190] You got the first story.

[1191] Okay.

[1192] I have to wait for...

[1193] Bastion arenas to come to Xbox Live Arcade next year.

[1194] But yeah, that game's really good.

[1195] I can't think of one thing about...

[1196] the game that is not...

[1197] And I think I was saying to you guys before where it's one of those things where I feel like nobody's really going to believe that we're saying that it's really good.

[1198] Whatever.

[1199] They can take what we say about this game however they want, but I will be...

[1200] But really, check it out.

[1201] It's really good.

[1202] No, dude, I will be shocked.

[1203] Okay, so by the time this podcast goes up, reviews will be out.

[1204] I will be shocked if our voices don't just join a chorus of people saying the exact same thing.

[1205] It's funny.

[1206] Like every...

[1207] I'm sorry.

[1208] It's just a well -realized piece of fiction.

[1209] and the mechanics are good.

[1210] And I feel like it's just long enough.

[1211] I was really fascinated by the story.

[1212] Definitely wanted to see it through twice.

[1213] They paint the world with such a broad brush.

[1214] They establish such a wide -ranging fiction.

[1215] They give so much depth to the factions and what happened before the game started and the characters' motivations and what their backstories are.

[1216] They fill in so much with so little.

[1217] And that narrator just works.

[1218] Again, I'm sure that there's a lot that maybe they speak with more specificity.

[1219] as things go on, but there's a, and this is probably all credit to Greg, but there's a good vagueness to a lot of what you're being shown or what kind of the nature of the world was before the calamity that I actually really appreciate, that you're able to draw a very specific world without...

[1220] using so much definite information.

[1221] It's like the game doesn't need a codex.

[1222] But at the same time, there are things I would like to know about.

[1223] The death is there to support it.

[1224] It's great that they don't just say, here's everything about the world and now you know everything about it.

[1225] Honestly, by the time you finish that game once or maybe twice, you kind of know everything that you need to know.

[1226] But there's room to keep going.

[1227] The framework is there to support more information.

[1228] So what I'm trying to say is real -time strategy game in the Bastion universe 2013.

[1229] Just read the novelization.

[1230] Read the book.

[1231] I heard they're getting Jenny McCarthy for it.

[1232] Finally.

[1233] See what they needed.

[1234] I mean, there's such an elegance to it.

[1235] There's like a...

[1236] Brevity is not really the right word, but it's just...

[1237] It's concise.

[1238] Yeah, concise.

[1239] It's efficient in a way.

[1240] I mean, because they convey so much information without ever getting in your face.

[1241] I mean, I guess that was kind of a design philosophy, right?

[1242] The loading screen tool tips end up being really handy in that game.

[1243] Yeah, like you get a lot of stuff.

[1244] They even use those.

[1245] quite well right i just like that for just like the and then the stranger came with you yeah like yeah oh okay there we don't need like a fucking cut scene or anything more than that's like that is enough information right let's move on uh but that narrator really does work yeah i mean in my personal opinion I thought maybe this will get weird.

[1246] Will there be repetitions?

[1247] But they must have recorded.

[1248] Hats off, guys.

[1249] So much.

[1250] Even through a second playthrough, he was still saying different things at certain points.

[1251] On New Game Plus, there's a lot of like...

[1252] References to the fact that you're playing it a second time.

[1253] Really?

[1254] Yeah.

[1255] And even just what you're doing.

[1256] It's cool.

[1257] It's really cool.

[1258] The narrator, the character of the narrator has got so much attitude.

[1259] There's such a well -realized personality type.

[1260] It's not just real boilerplate kind of third person.

[1261] He did this or whatever, you know.

[1262] But every time, like, you do something that he would acknowledge, like Denario would acknowledge, like, you know, you'd pass a point and be like, yeah, you know, he almost killed everything in the plays.

[1263] And you're like, fuck, now I need to play this again.

[1264] And you know how many times he almost fell to his death?

[1265] Yeah.

[1266] A couple of times, like, fuck, oh, damn it.

[1267] Six.

[1268] He's like, wow, dude, I've got to play through it again and not fall.

[1269] Just so it's not all glowing here, I will say I hate falling off the world.

[1270] I hate being in combat.

[1271] I never remember the first time you do it.

[1272] The very first time you do it.

[1273] The very first time you do it is great.

[1274] That was about 30 seconds.

[1275] game for me and that was when it clicked i was just like all right but i stopped i really did stop falling off at some point yeah you do uh for me it would still happen here and there you know you get in like a hectic moment and you're just like you know or there's like a stack of bodies around the edge of the world and you just run against it and fall yeah but it's not it's not you know the penalty is not bad it wasn't put an end to you no right no they're smart of of you know marginalizing the impact that he has.

[1276] That's why if you were using the goddamn hammer, you wouldn't be falling off the world because you'd be up in dudes' faces instead of rolling around like a girl with your guns.

[1277] I mean, they want you to be situationally aware.

[1278] You need to keep track of everything that's going on at all times, but they give you the tools to do it.

[1279] You get a lot of dudes at points.

[1280] Yeah, but one of the other aha moments when I first started playing the game was realizing that when you do that roll move, you can change direction mid -roll.

[1281] You can roll in an arc if you just use the stick, or you can almost reverse direction.

[1282] It is so snappy.

[1283] Practically roll around corners.

[1284] Animation frames don't get no priority in that game.

[1285] It's all about just doing stuff.

[1286] Canceling out of your hammer.

[1287] Yeah, like one of the tool tips popped up, and it was like, you can use the roll to cancel out of certain moves.

[1288] I was like...

[1289] All right.

[1290] I know who made this game.

[1291] Indeed.

[1292] And also the music.

[1293] It's fantastic.

[1294] Oh, yeah.

[1295] Again, I don't want to speak with specifics, but there are some pieces of music in there that are fucking incredible.

[1296] Amazing moments.

[1297] Largely because of the sound design.

[1298] Yeah, absolutely.

[1299] Yeah.

[1300] The last 30 minutes of the game has got some of my favorite music I've ever heard in a game.

[1301] So I feel like we were kind of just going down the entire team person by person.

[1302] Also, the production value, great.

[1303] The whole thing seems like it's really organized really well.

[1304] The programming could have been better.

[1305] I'm just going to say it.

[1306] But let me tell you, Andrew.

[1307] I was not impressed by the programming.

[1308] The way they specced out those budgets, I cannot tell you.

[1309] Incredible.

[1310] I will say that one of the weird downsides of the level of exposure that we've had is that I actually see Logan's face every time the narrator speaks.

[1311] Yeah, but I don't mind it.

[1312] It's a cool -looking dude.

[1313] Every four or five lines, I see him instead of the character.

[1314] I'm like, oh, wait, no. But I think Logan looks way cooler than the dude they have in the game.

[1315] Yeah, the only negative to that is an FMV Logan popping up in the corner.

[1316] Just head like.

[1317] Yeah.

[1318] Cut out against the background.

[1319] The only downside is that whenever they show the stranger, I'm like, that's not.

[1320] This is white dude with a mustache.

[1321] I don't know who that dude is.

[1322] It's not Logan.

[1323] Come on.

[1324] I feel like I got a little bit of a unique perspective on it because I purposely didn't watch any of those shows.

[1325] I tried to stay as far away from the game as I could because I wanted to evaluate the game purely on its own merits.

[1326] It's like, you hosted all those shows.

[1327] You had to cut all that video.

[1328] You set the whole thing up.

[1329] You guys.

[1330] by necessity, had to be involved in this stuff.

[1331] I mean, I played that demo version.

[1332] Like, what is now the demo cutoff?

[1333] Like, I played some version of that when we were still in Sausalito.

[1334] Right.

[1335] Like, on a laptop.

[1336] Right.

[1337] It was just like, oh, yeah, yeah.

[1338] Like, I hadn't touched that game before I got the final version, and it just fucking floored me. It's one of the best games I've played this year.

[1339] That's out on Wednesday.

[1340] 1 ,200 points.

[1341] 1 ,200 points.

[1342] 1 ,200 points.

[1343] 1 ,500.

[1344] Yeah, I think we think you should buy it, but we're not reviewing it for a reason.

[1345] So go ahead and look around, see what people think.

[1346] And remember, it's an Xbox Live Arcade game, so get the demo.

[1347] You can try it out for free.

[1348] That demo sold me on that thing.

[1349] Where does the demo cut off?

[1350] It cuts off when you build the first thing and when you leave the Bastion.

[1351] Really?

[1352] For the first time.

[1353] Okay.

[1354] Yeah, that's a decent look at what is in that game.

[1355] Yeah, if you're not sold by that point, I don't know what to tell you.

[1356] But that part of that game was enough to sell me on this whole idea of looking at this game as extensively as we did and doing all that stuff.

[1357] And it's definitely coming to PCs at some point.

[1358] Yeah, they're working on that.

[1359] PC later this year, I think, is the word.

[1360] It sounds like they might be looking into some kind of soundtrack stuff.

[1361] I don't know.

[1362] It's got cool music.

[1363] I've seen several people asking them on Twitter for that, people who have gotten it early and stuff.

[1364] But, yeah, we'll have those guys.

[1365] We'll have at least Greg and Amir and Gavin in the office for Thursday Night Throwdown, where we will not be playing Bastion.

[1366] but instead Command & Conquer Red Alert 3, the last game that a bunch of those dudes shipped before Bastion.

[1367] A lot of those dudes met together at EALA.

[1368] So we're going to take them down memory lane, see what they think about the last game they put together together.

[1369] So looking forward to that.

[1370] That will, of course, be the PC version.

[1371] Of course.

[1372] Of course.

[1373] Of course.

[1374] Fuck around with a 360 version of an RTS like that.

[1375] I'm not crazy.

[1376] Vinny Caravella.

[1377] Ryan Davis.

[1378] What's going on, man?

[1379] So is that it?

[1380] You played some Trench, played some Bastion?

[1381] Played some Trench, played some Bastion.

[1382] Homelets.

[1383] Had omelets, had burgers, had sushi.

[1384] I played...

[1385] Had some Euros.

[1386] That sounds like a pretty...

[1387] Yeah, it's good.

[1388] You had a weird food weekend.

[1389] Gastronomical.

[1390] I had a good weird food weekend.

[1391] Yeah, it was solid.

[1392] I enjoyed myself.

[1393] I watched two Final Destination movies to amp myself up for the next one that's coming out in a couple weeks.

[1394] Now you lost me. It's okay.

[1395] It's not for you.

[1396] That's for me. God, that last Final Destination movie is so fucking bad.

[1397] God damn it.

[1398] Is it the 3D one?

[1399] Yeah.

[1400] Ugh.

[1401] So, okay.

[1402] So bad.

[1403] And it was supposed to be the last one.

[1404] It was the one they called The Final Destination.

[1405] Made it for like 40 million bucks.

[1406] It grossed like $190 million.

[1407] You're like, well, I guess that's not the last one of those then.

[1408] And it was also one of those ones where the studio executives were quoted to say, we have no idea why this movie made a bunch of money.

[1409] It is completely baffling to us, but we're going to keep at it, I guess.

[1410] You always want to catch the last one, man. Yeah.

[1411] See the end.

[1412] 3D, that must be it.

[1413] Yeah, it's like if they go out and say, this is our final, if Prince goes out and says, this is the last time I'm going to play any of these songs, you're going to go.

[1414] He said that.

[1415] Huh?

[1416] He said that.

[1417] Yeah, yeah.

[1418] And then everyone went – well, whatever.

[1419] Everyone showed up for Prince anyway.

[1420] What did you do?

[1421] I played some more of The Witcher 1.

[1422] Make good progress.

[1423] I am in Chapter 2.

[1424] I can't believe that you're – I think there are only four chapters.

[1425] I can't believe this – charade that you continue to put on about, I'm going to finish The Witcher before I play The Witcher 2.

[1426] I'm not fake.

[1427] That's going to happen.

[1428] Got to, man. I have faith.

[1429] And also the books.

[1430] So they need to translate the other three.

[1431] I was going to say, yeah, there's only two that you can read so far.

[1432] I think there are three.

[1433] You do only have like four months now, though.

[1434] Because unfortunately the game takes place after all the books and everything.

[1435] So it's like, shit!

[1436] Well, okay.

[1437] None of this really makes sense.

[1438] But I played through Shadows of the Damned.

[1439] Through.

[1440] Through.

[1441] Yeah.

[1442] I tried to get you to play some Trenched, and you're like, no. I'm deep in it.

[1443] Finishing it up here.

[1444] Trenched is one of the best experiences I have had with a video game this year, but I don't know.

[1445] Well, I mean, you haven't finished it yet.

[1446] You just finished it.

[1447] I just finished it this weekend.

[1448] But anyone in our position, I don't know how they could play more Trenched.

[1449] Yeah, jumping back in with all golds and max level and all that stuff, there was definitely like...

[1450] At some point, I was like, man, what am I doing?

[1451] I don't know why you were playing.

[1452] You sent that invite yesterday.

[1453] Well, I had just finished Bastion.

[1454] I had just gotten all the Bastion achievements, and I was sitting there, and I was like, all right, yeah, sure.

[1455] I'll jump in for one quick one.

[1456] Do you ever get game invite anxiety when somebody sends you an invite, and you're like, man, I should go play.

[1457] I don't really want to play, but...

[1458] They want me to play.

[1459] Don't feel that way.

[1460] I, cause I am, I mass spam.

[1461] Like anyone that's online, I'm like, I'm just going to troll for whoever is available.

[1462] Even if they're not, you're watching Hulu.

[1463] Fuck you.

[1464] I'm going to send an invite just so that I, you did get a full party.

[1465] So that was just so that I mess up your office webisode that you're watching.

[1466] That was fun.

[1467] I do feel obligated to respond though.

[1468] Don't, you don't even need to feel that.

[1469] It's it's with me. It's okay.

[1470] I get it, man. I'm playing some shadows of them.

[1471] I get it.

[1472] I know what you're playing.

[1473] I can see.

[1474] Well, here's the reason I'm not joining you.

[1475] Because I'm playing Shadows of the Damned.

[1476] Not anymore.

[1477] Not anymore.

[1478] Now you have no more excuses to come and help me get my last gold star.

[1479] So that game's a lot of fun.

[1480] Shadows of the Damned?

[1481] Yeah.

[1482] We were talking about it earlier, not selling well.

[1483] And it's a really tight little package.

[1484] There's some really stupid stuff in it.

[1485] It's a hot little number.

[1486] Yeah, and there's some really kind of bad parts.

[1487] Look at the way it's dressed.

[1488] Where it falls down.

[1489] It's asking for it.

[1490] Oh, man. Wait, is it a ghost?

[1491] And then some of the jokes are okay and then they beat them to death a couple of times.

[1492] So there's this one part where – Beat that boner to death.

[1493] The gun, the boner gun becomes the big boner and you do this like weird turdy kind of sequence.

[1494] And like almost – there's like two samples.

[1495] One is taste my big boner and the other one is yeah.

[1496] And you probably fire about like – a thousand shots.

[1497] So he's like, taste my big boner.

[1498] Taste my big boner.

[1499] Taste my big boner.

[1500] Yeah.

[1501] Taste my big boner.

[1502] And you're just, it's like the world's most awesome soundboard.

[1503] Yeah.

[1504] Exactly.

[1505] So it seems like someone clicked the button a bunch of times really rapidly and then like, uh -oh, I think we overloaded it.

[1506] And they walked out of the Spencer's GIFs and then it was just sat there and played for the next 20 minutes.

[1507] So then you beat that part and you got to do that sequence two more times.

[1508] So they stack those turret sequences on top of each other.

[1509] So that stuff is kind of weird.

[1510] Turret sequences making games dumb sense.

[1511] Yeah.

[1512] Two years ago.

[1513] You can kind of see why.

[1514] Beachhead 2000.

[1515] Beachhead 2000.

[1516] Why'd they throw it in for some variety, but I don't know.

[1517] The pacing on that stuff could get better.

[1518] But interesting.

[1519] I recommend you guys try it out if you haven't tried it out yet.

[1520] Did you play it?

[1521] No, I bought it like three weeks ago.

[1522] I still haven't put it in.

[1523] I got my copy on Friday.

[1524] I have not played it.

[1525] I mean, I played it for the quick look, but I've not started an honest, real playthrough for myself.

[1526] Did you play any of it?

[1527] No. I don't think I want to.

[1528] Maybe you should try it.

[1529] Just from what I played of it before it came out, like, it seems like a game I want to watch somebody play through just to absorb the humor and stuff, but, like, the gameplay was not really doing it.

[1530] I don't think it was necessarily that funny.

[1531] The goat head thing is kind of, like, spooking me off it a little bit, like, if that's really, like, one of the main...

[1532] There's a lot of that stuff.

[1533] Yeah.

[1534] But it's not.

[1535] It's solid.

[1536] Yeah.

[1537] It seemed like the kind of game where you would tolerate what it wanted you to play just to see the other crazy stuff.

[1538] There's a lot of crazy stuff.

[1539] But I have tolerated far worse from Suda51.

[1540] Yeah.

[1541] So, like, I am happy and eager to play a game of his that is...

[1542] Sure.

[1543] But I'd rather seek out a game that I really enjoy playing.

[1544] Well, like, the gameplay is pretty good.

[1545] Now you're just being crazy.

[1546] It's not, like, terrible.

[1547] Well, it's no matter of what you enjoy, what it is you enjoy about the experience.

[1548] I'm just largely kind of over third -person shooters in general.

[1549] Lately Then you might not like this one But yeah I made it through that And almost And I'm not like I hunt for achievements or stuff, but I almost got them all in that one playthrough.

[1550] Yeah, I saw people saying it was pretty easy.

[1551] That's right.

[1552] So the difficulty beating it on difficulty settings does not stack.

[1553] So you have to beat it on easy, medium, hard.

[1554] So those are the ones I'm missing.

[1555] There should be a lot of TRC in place that says you cannot do this.

[1556] And the only other one I missed was collect all the hidden collectible gems to power up.

[1557] And that was it.

[1558] And everything else I kind of got in it.

[1559] So it was kind of weird kind of making it through there.

[1560] But, yeah, that's a fun game.

[1561] And that was it because that game is kind of long.

[1562] I was going to say you burned through that in a weekend.

[1563] Yeah.

[1564] That was fairly long.

[1565] Yeah.

[1566] So, yeah.

[1567] And then The Witcher.

[1568] And The Witcher.

[1569] I'm really enjoying The Witcher.

[1570] How old is it?

[1571] I can't wait to play The Witcher 2.

[1572] It's out now.

[1573] Yeah, I've heard.

[1574] You could just start playing it.

[1575] 2007, Brad?

[1576] 6 or 7.

[1577] 6 or 7.

[1578] I would say.

[1579] Could be 7.

[1580] Could be 6.

[1581] 7 for The Witcher when it came out.

[1582] I just like that universe.

[1583] It's cool.

[1584] You should play The Witcher 2.

[1585] I know.

[1586] I can't wait.

[1587] It's going to be fantastic.

[1588] You could start right now.

[1589] No, I can't.

[1590] I would not know everything.

[1591] Doesn't your save file carry on?

[1592] I think it does.

[1593] You know who else doesn't know everything?

[1594] The Witcher!

[1595] He always gets amnesia.

[1596] Yeah.

[1597] It's a shame.

[1598] Yeah.

[1599] You start with The Witcher 2.

[1600] Does he start with amnesia and The Witcher 2?

[1601] Fat amnesia.

[1602] It's a shame.

[1603] Well, there's a lot of stuff in the books that they don't want to carry over.

[1604] Yeah, it's fine.

[1605] That's it.

[1606] You do anything on Game of Thrones?

[1607] I ate a chicken.

[1608] A whole one?

[1609] Yep, a whole chicken.

[1610] Just bought it at the store and just ate it right there out in front of the safe way in the parking lot.

[1611] Got into an argument with my wife where there's the government's responsibility to regulate business.

[1612] That was heated.

[1613] Nice.

[1614] We were listening to the radio show.

[1615] I was getting real pissed because there was a story on something about fracking, getting gas out of the rocks, and about this company that did these real bad things.

[1616] So we just got into a fight.

[1617] I was like, it's not in the Constitution for government to regulate business.

[1618] She's like, it totally is.

[1619] That's how we fight.

[1620] And you slept on the couch.

[1621] Yeah.

[1622] Then she sent me away.

[1623] You slept on the chicken.

[1624] I walked out.

[1625] I'm out of here.

[1626] Let's get some chicken.

[1627] Slam the door.

[1628] I'm going to go eat a bucket of chicken by myself.

[1629] I feel better.

[1630] I feel worse.

[1631] You understand me, bucket of chicken.

[1632] I feel worse about this than I did about the other things.

[1633] That's right.

[1634] Come back.

[1635] I'm sorry.

[1636] Yeah.

[1637] It was a pretty mellow weekend.

[1638] Did some music stuff.

[1639] That was fun.

[1640] Music stuff?

[1641] Yeah.

[1642] Wrote some tunes.

[1643] Jamming.

[1644] Jammed.

[1645] Did some jamming.

[1646] Nice.

[1647] Jeff Kirsten.

[1648] Hello.

[1649] Other than Bastion, you playing anything now?

[1650] I played about 22 hours of Terraria.

[1651] Damn.

[1652] What?

[1653] Wow.

[1654] Yeah.

[1655] Wow.

[1656] Like actively actually?

[1657] Yeah.

[1658] Is it all on one area or do you start over?

[1659] I have a local world going and then a friend of mine has a server running.

[1660] So I've only seen a smidge of that game.

[1661] I didn't watch the quick look at all.

[1662] It's 2D Minecraft, right?

[1663] Yep.

[1664] But with a little more structure.

[1665] A little more game.

[1666] A little more gaminess.

[1667] Yeah.

[1668] There are dudes to fight each world as a dungeon.

[1669] Basically, there's items that you can get and interact with to cause things to happen.

[1670] As an example, at night, things attack.

[1671] Sort of like Minecraft.

[1672] There'll be zombies and floating eyeballs.

[1673] And sometimes these floating eyeballs will drop a lens.

[1674] And if you get six lenses and then go dig down deep into the earth and find a demon altar, you could turn that into the suspicious looking eye.

[1675] And then if you take that up above ground, or I guess you could probably do it anywhere, but you go up above ground, get a good spot where you're ready and fortified and down to fight, and then use the suspicious looking eye at night, it summons a gigantic floating eye boss.

[1676] So they're like crazy bosses to fight that you summon that way, like shadow orbs you break underground and all kinds of crazy weapons, some of which you can craft, some of which are just drops.

[1677] So it's like, you know, you're kind of like looking in chests and digging around random drops and building all this stuff.

[1678] So I built some stuff, killed some dudes, built some more stuff, basically just, you know, hung out with a few friends on this server, just talking shit.

[1679] And then while one guy was gone last night, Me and this other dude filled his castle full of lava.

[1680] Because fuck him.

[1681] Nicely done.

[1682] So it is like Minecraft.

[1683] He built a stupid wall in the house that I built.

[1684] And granted, it was easily removable in about 15 seconds, but...

[1685] Still decided he had to pay.

[1686] Punishment was still in order.

[1687] So we filled this whole castle full of lava, and now it's totally unusable.

[1688] That sounds like a cool castle.

[1689] Full of lava.

[1690] It's pretty fucked up.

[1691] Because the lava's not under the castle.

[1692] It is inside the castle.

[1693] Oh, no. Plus, it's like a door.

[1694] Like, if you just go open.

[1695] I mean, it's 2D, so you can see it all.

[1696] It's just a door you open.

[1697] It's just like lava on the other side.

[1698] I open this door.

[1699] Like, oh, Jesus!

[1700] It's the worst.

[1701] I should have touched the door handle to see if it was hot on the other side or what.

[1702] But it was just lava.

[1703] Yeah.

[1704] So I kind of feel like I've gotten most of what I'm going to get out of that.

[1705] Because I crafted a whole bunch of the higher level items and went and did all the stuff.

[1706] The thing that's different from Minecraft is that your inventory carries over from server to server.

[1707] Your character is the same wherever you take it.

[1708] Which is nice because going and finding gear over and over again, not cool.

[1709] But at the same time, now I have a lot of...

[1710] pretty good gear, and yeah, there's some stuff that's a little bit better, but I don't really care, and I don't necessarily want to go build a bunch of castles over and over again, so I might be done with it, but it's kind of awesome.

[1711] It's one of those things where they're definitely adding a whole bunch of stuff to it over time.

[1712] But that game is out.

[1713] It is out.

[1714] It is not beta.

[1715] It is 105 is the version number.

[1716] They do not donate to get early access.

[1717] At some point, I think they were.

[1718] calling it a beta or something like that, but it is definitely above version 1 .0.

[1719] I wonder if Minecraft will ever come out as a game.

[1720] Like, officially final.

[1721] Like, we're done!

[1722] Well, I mean, they're going to release it on other platforms, and those versions, just by virtue of being less immediately updatable than the core PC version, when they put it out and sell it on the Android or on Xbox, it'll be done there.

[1723] I thought, didn't we all get discounts when you buy it?

[1724] Dude, you'll get it.

[1725] Yeah, buy it now.

[1726] You'll get updates for life.

[1727] Xbox version coming on a disc, have they said?

[1728] I don't think so.

[1729] It's Kinect, right?

[1730] It is Kinect, yeah.

[1731] Chop, chop, chop.

[1732] Yeah, totally.

[1733] Awesome.

[1734] So it is coming on a disc then.

[1735] Yeah, I guess so.

[1736] Yeah, so I played a whole lot of that and fought giant eyeballs and huge worm, giant skull head.

[1737] The eyeballs have legs?

[1738] No. They have rail guns mounted on top of them.

[1739] No, no. It's a flying eyeball that shoots tiny flying eyeballs at you.

[1740] That's pretty bad, too.

[1741] Pretty fucked up.

[1742] When you take down half its hit points, it turns into a giant bleeding mouth that also flies around.

[1743] I gotta play that game.

[1744] Yeah, I don't know.

[1745] It's pretty weird.

[1746] Sounds like Shadows of the Damned.

[1747] Yeah, a little bit.

[1748] I was gonna say, it's freaking me out more than Shadows of the Damned does.

[1749] Don't give me a big boner if that's...

[1750] There's my big boner.

[1751] Goofy fun.

[1752] I'm serious.

[1753] No. Goofy fun.

[1754] What did you eat this weekend?

[1755] What did I eat this weekend?

[1756] It's a hot topic.

[1757] I had a box of crackers sitting around, so I had some of that.

[1758] Ritz crackers.

[1759] They're like those buttery ones, the club crackers.

[1760] They're club cracker minis, so they weren't there.

[1761] Oh, no, I was thinking about sociables.

[1762] That's a different kind of cracker.

[1763] Is that not like a Ritz?

[1764] It's close to that.

[1765] Similar to that?

[1766] It's similar to a Ritz.

[1767] It's like a cross between a saltine and a Ritz.

[1768] It's like saltier than Ritz.

[1769] It's like a saltine form factor.

[1770] A little bit of that buttery kind of.

[1771] Yeah, that buttery kind of thicker Ritz element.

[1772] Top five crackers.

[1773] Chicken and a biscuit.

[1774] Yes.

[1775] Oh, man. Kevin Costner.

[1776] Chicken and a biscuit.

[1777] All five slots.

[1778] Chicken and a biscuit is kind of terrible.

[1779] What are you talking about?

[1780] In quantity.

[1781] I will happily eat a handful of chicken and a biscuit, but if you sat me down with a box, no. The flavor just gets to be too much.

[1782] They're also greasy as hell.

[1783] Any of those Nabisco, what are the vegetable flavored ones?

[1784] Like a wheat thin?

[1785] No, it's comparable.

[1786] Triscuit?

[1787] Yeah, like a Triscuit.

[1788] I couldn't come up with Triscuit.

[1789] Oh, is that what you did?

[1790] You're joking.

[1791] I am.

[1792] You're joshing.

[1793] I am.

[1794] No, it's the one that's got, like, vegetables.

[1795] It's, like, the way that the chicken in a biscuit is supposed to taste like chicken.

[1796] Chips Ahoy.

[1797] I don't know.

[1798] I don't think I've seen that.

[1799] Anyways, same thing of, like, you have a couple, like, these are really good, and you have, like, six more, and you're like, oh, God, I want to die.

[1800] Yeah.

[1801] Does a Triscuit count as a cracker?

[1802] Yeah.

[1803] Yeah, of course.

[1804] Okay, that's up there.

[1805] Does a Nips count as a cracker?

[1806] Nips.

[1807] Like a Cheezo.

[1808] Yeah, I guess so.

[1809] I mean.

[1810] Well, he said crackers.

[1811] He's allowed to.

[1812] He is one.

[1813] Cheese it?

[1814] Is that a cracker?

[1815] Definitely a cracker.

[1816] And also, what are you doing talking about cheese nips before cheese it?

[1817] I don't know.

[1818] I'm going through my brain.

[1819] It's a mess up there.

[1820] Everything's out of order.

[1821] I think a Triscuit is only as good as what you put on it.

[1822] I'll eat a Roche.

[1823] Some of the flavored Triscuits are amazing.

[1824] I don't care for the flavored Triscuits.

[1825] I find them overbearing with the flavors.

[1826] But even, like, one of those rosemary olive oil ones.

[1827] I bought this bag of tortilla chips that were, like, black bean and cheese flavored.

[1828] And they were actually apparently made out of, like, mostly plant sterols or whatever.

[1829] So they were just, like, weird cholesterol -lowering chips.

[1830] I didn't buy them for that reason.

[1831] I bought them because my roommate bought them for that reason.

[1832] And I ate half the bag.

[1833] And I was like, it's pretty good.

[1834] So I bought another bag.

[1835] I bought them because they were available at the grocery outlet.

[1836] I ate them all, too.

[1837] No, I don't know.

[1838] Those are all right.

[1839] What?

[1840] I don't know.

[1841] Terraria is pretty cool.

[1842] It sounded like that chip anecdote was going somewhere.

[1843] I think they taste good.

[1844] Okay.

[1845] Chips are good?

[1846] Chips are good.

[1847] We're not talking about chips.

[1848] We're talking about crackers.

[1849] I think chips and crackers are interchangeable in most cases.

[1850] I couldn't be more wrong.

[1851] In terms of it's a bag or a box that I reach my hand into and pull food out and stuff the food in my mouth.

[1852] And then rub the crumbs on my pants.

[1853] They're pretty much identical.

[1854] Well, then that's true of Taco Bell.

[1855] Taco Bell is the same as crackers for you, then.

[1856] I don't have to wipe Taco Bell on my pants when I'm done.

[1857] Then you're not doing it right.

[1858] I guess not.

[1859] Is a bagel chip a cracker or a chip?

[1860] It's a chip.

[1861] That's a chip?

[1862] It's fucking called a bagel chip.

[1863] Yeah, but the format is more like a cracker, I have to say.

[1864] Yeah.

[1865] I don't know.

[1866] It's just a hearty chip.

[1867] Triscuits are also good.

[1868] Yeah, triscuits are good.

[1869] I don't like the reduced salt ones because the salt's what helps make them good.

[1870] You know what makes better?

[1871] You put a little piece of cheddar cheese on there, a little piece of summer sausage right on top of that.

[1872] Cheese on a cracker?

[1873] Who does that?

[1874] That was just paving the way for the summer sausage.

[1875] That just takes so much work.

[1876] I don't have time to put cheese and sausage on a cracker.

[1877] When I was younger, it was definitely wheat thin over Triscuit.

[1878] But as I've gotten older, I prefer Triscuit to a wheat thin.

[1879] I prefer a Triscuit.

[1880] I like the texture.

[1881] Something I learned about myself.

[1882] They make like Triscuit chips or Triscuit like a wheat thin.

[1883] It's like shredded wheat in cracker form.

[1884] I really don't like the white cheddar wheat thins.

[1885] White cheddar.

[1886] When I was a kid, it was Ritz crackers with American cheese on top.

[1887] I learned something about myself, too, when I realized, yep, that's pretty white trashy.

[1888] What?

[1889] Yeah, we used to do that.

[1890] Ritz crackers are classy as shit.

[1891] What are you talking about?

[1892] Tear up a little bit of the bologna?

[1893] No, no. And the American cheese.

[1894] Just tear up some American cheese.

[1895] Single serving.

[1896] I'll tear up some American cheese right now.

[1897] You know, I never really, other than in the grilled cheese format, where I still find it to be king, there was never a lot of American cheese in my life.

[1898] I never ate the processed Kraft single or cheese.

[1899] That was like a ham and cheese sandwich.

[1900] Not straight into my gullet, no. It was always...

[1901] Never wrapped one around a cheese stick?

[1902] Or a banana?

[1903] You know, like Mr. Rogers would?

[1904] Nope, nope.

[1905] Done neither of those.

[1906] I don't know how much more Terraria I'll play.

[1907] All right.

[1908] It sounds like you played a lot.

[1909] Yeah.

[1910] How late did you stay up?

[1911] I don't know, like two.

[1912] Nothing super late.

[1913] Not too crazy.

[1914] It was just one of those things where I was just like, oh, the whole day is gone.

[1915] Yeah.

[1916] Oh, well.

[1917] I was supposed to call somebody.

[1918] Go out.

[1919] I hate when we couldn't do that.

[1920] Didn't do that.

[1921] See, that's why I was happy with mine.

[1922] I had the good balance of Saturday went and did stuff and saw people and went places and walked and had clothes on.

[1923] Angrier and angrier at the weekend as it realized that nothing was going to get done.

[1924] This is just going to be over.

[1925] This is just going to be over.

[1926] Yeah, of course it's 8 o 'clock already.

[1927] Fuck.

[1928] I hate Sunday.

[1929] Also, Sunday was when I realized that Sunday morning does not stop at noon.

[1930] When someone talks about Sunday.

[1931] Sunday morning, I think, can be allowed to go through pretty much the whole day if you need it to.

[1932] In terms of what?

[1933] Yeah, what's the context?

[1934] I'm going to get you this artificial heart by Sunday morning.

[1935] In terms of how you...

[1936] you know, the Sunday morning attitude.

[1937] Like pajamas?

[1938] I'm saying, yeah.

[1939] You're not talking like breakfast served all morning kind of thing.

[1940] I'm talking about Sunday morning is a state of mind.

[1941] It is not a time of day.

[1942] If you can commit to it, you can have Sunday morning whenever the fuck you want.

[1943] It would just be easy like Sunday morning all day.

[1944] Yeah, pajama pants, yesterday's shirt.

[1945] You know, why wear a shirt?

[1946] Does it end at 12 o 'clock midnight?

[1947] Sunday?

[1948] Is that the magic hour?

[1949] I think it ends whenever you wake up Monday morning.

[1950] What if you have the week off?

[1951] If you're unemployed and you can work it right, you can have Sunday morning forever.

[1952] You need special pants for that.

[1953] You need to head down to the Kmart to get those pants.

[1954] Unemployment shorts.

[1955] You burn those pants when you are done.

[1956] Unemployment shorts.

[1957] Hey, Brad.

[1958] Hi.

[1959] How's it going?

[1960] It's pretty good.

[1961] How was your weekend?

[1962] Fairly productive.

[1963] Yeah?

[1964] Cleaned the house.

[1965] Nice.

[1966] See?

[1967] He's a good man. I had some pork belly last night.

[1968] Oh, that was good.

[1969] How was it prepared?

[1970] So good.

[1971] I don't know.

[1972] Pork belly is basically bacon, right?

[1973] More or less, yeah.

[1974] Is that the cut?

[1975] Yeah.

[1976] This was a way thicker cut, though, than that.

[1977] Right.

[1978] Prepared in some sort of Chinese fashion.

[1979] Ah, okay.

[1980] I'm wondering if it was a...

[1981] That's all I know.

[1982] A barbecue or if it was a...

[1983] Maybe.

[1984] A crock pot kind of slow cook situation.

[1985] I don't know how it was made.

[1986] It just showed up at my house and I ate it.

[1987] That's the best kind.

[1988] I know.

[1989] I know.

[1990] You can't really beat that.

[1991] Video games?

[1992] Any games?

[1993] Games you want to talk about?

[1994] Not really.

[1995] I could keep talking about Bastion.

[1996] All right.

[1997] It's pretty awesome.

[1998] It's pretty good.

[1999] What's up with Bastion?

[2000] The only thing I wanted to say that I didn't say.

[2001] Yeah, if there's anything, please.

[2002] I was going to allay one of the concerns I saw expressed on some forums and stuff about how pervasive the narrator is and whether that's annoying.

[2003] It's not.

[2004] So I just want to set the record straight.

[2005] Actually, I saw some silly stuff where people were like, oh, does he just go like, oh, and he critted for 37 damage.

[2006] It's nothing like that.

[2007] That'd be funny.

[2008] It's totally nothing like that.

[2009] How dumb would that be?

[2010] I don't know.

[2011] Well, I mean, if you step back and look at that feature on paper, it could be executed very poorly.

[2012] Absolutely.

[2013] So it would be really annoying.

[2014] Yeah.

[2015] They just don't do it that way.

[2016] It's probably like 90 % sort of abstract filling in story and stuff.

[2017] It's very rarely talking about what you're doing that moment.

[2018] Although when it does do that, it's really effective.

[2019] Yeah.

[2020] But anyway.

[2021] All right.

[2022] Are you playing any other games over the weekend?

[2023] I've played the next Summer of Arcade game from Dust.

[2024] Did we talk about that last week?

[2025] No. I can't talk a lot about that.

[2026] Yeah.

[2027] That game's pretty cool.

[2028] I think last week we couldn't talk about it at all.

[2029] Okay.

[2030] It's a God game.

[2031] Yeah.

[2032] Did you play Populous?

[2033] Yes.

[2034] Did you play Black and White?

[2035] A little bit.

[2036] It's kind of like that.

[2037] Wasn't there a Black and White 2?

[2038] I think Populous is great and one of the greatest games ever made.

[2039] I think Black and White is not.

[2040] I love Black and White.

[2041] When you say it's like that game and that game, I go like, ah, but which one?

[2042] I think it's less like Black and White from what I've seen.

[2043] Do I have a giant idiot monkey?

[2044] There's no creature and you're not directly interacting with people.

[2045] I think that was the frustrating part.

[2046] I hate interacting with people.

[2047] It's way less sort of...

[2048] It's mechanical in that video game -y way that black and white was where you have a number that represents how much lumber you have and stuff like that.

[2049] It's not nearly that sort of dense with numbers and stuff.

[2050] But it is about you looking from an overhead perspective and wielding omnipotent powers.

[2051] Is there more to it than mere terrain manipulation?

[2052] That's kind of the stuff that I saw back before E3 was just literally like, pick up the sand, put it over here.

[2053] Pick up this lava and move it over here.

[2054] That's definitely the basis of the game.

[2055] Yes.

[2056] Okay.

[2057] Yes.

[2058] Cool.

[2059] You get powers that let you do different things, like turn water to jelly briefly.

[2060] What flavor?

[2061] Water.

[2062] Water -flavored jelly.

[2063] Yes.

[2064] Boring, boring jelly.

[2065] Oh, you put it on our rifts.

[2066] Plain gelatin.

[2067] All right.

[2068] Maybe get some summer sausage on there.

[2069] That's right.

[2070] It's a water -based loop.

[2071] I'm sitting here.

[2072] I'm searching my brain because I can only talk up to a certain level.

[2073] Essentially, I'm trying to think what's past that level.

[2074] I'm not sure how much I can say.

[2075] Review next week.

[2076] Get into more depth on that.

[2077] I played the first half hour or so of Captain America.

[2078] The Super Soldier?

[2079] Yes, Captain America.

[2080] The first Avenger?

[2081] No, not the Super Soldier.

[2082] Captain America's Super Soldier.

[2083] Should be a review and a quick look of that up on the site.

[2084] There is a review.

[2085] Yes, there is.

[2086] There is a review.

[2087] And it's probably a quick look.

[2088] Yeah.

[2089] Yeah.

[2090] These things.

[2091] They've happened already.

[2092] I heard it compared somewhat to Batman.

[2093] Yes.

[2094] So that's kind of the.

[2095] Yeah.

[2096] So the combat.

[2097] Wow.

[2098] Really?

[2099] The combat.

[2100] Is lifted.

[2101] Really?

[2102] In a lot of ways.

[2103] Oh, man. Out of Batman.

[2104] That combat is amazing.

[2105] I've been waiting for somebody to rip that off.

[2106] It is not executed as well, but yeah.

[2107] It is like when you hit the jump button and you were near a dude, you definitely flip over him and kind of give him a little push as you're going.

[2108] And push in different directions as you're doing melee attacks.

[2109] You bounce from guy to guy to guy.

[2110] You know, it's got counters.

[2111] Guys will kind of flash yellow if you can counter them, red if not.

[2112] But there's some cool stuff you can do with the shield from sitting in on the quick look.

[2113] Um, like when guys shoot at you with bullets from a gun, if you time that just right, you just send those bullets right back at them with that shield and smoke them, which is, which looked pretty satisfying.

[2114] Also, there's a ridiculous upgrade where you can make the shield ricochet like up to three times.

[2115] And then, so it's just like bouncing off dudes and killing them all.

[2116] Like a battering.

[2117] Looks kind of silly.

[2118] Like Captain America's goddamn shield.

[2119] And it's like there's some open world stuff in there, but there's no real reason.

[2120] You're not gaining abilities like you do in Arkham Asylum or anything like that.

[2121] So it's not to say that this game is...

[2122] Yeah, it's not trying to be Arkham Asylum.

[2123] No. But the combat is very inspired by the likes of Arkham Asylum.

[2124] And it was one of those things where when I first started playing it, I was like, this...

[2125] this is the worst kind of rip -off.

[2126] There are definitely some parts of it that look kind of grungy, and the frame rate at the beginning is kind of bad.

[2127] But even at the first half hour, I was kind of warming up to it a little bit, and it sounds like it's okay.

[2128] Yeah.

[2129] Isn't this the guys who did Punch -Out on the Wii?

[2130] I guess, yeah, Next Level Games.

[2131] They did that.

[2132] It's kind of weird.

[2133] Oh, this is them again?

[2134] Yeah, I guess so.

[2135] They keep showing up in weird places.

[2136] Yeah, like that.

[2137] This is definitely Next Level Games.

[2138] That seemed like kind of a prestige project, and then this is just sort of...

[2139] Kicking it with a movie license.

[2140] Movie games.

[2141] Yeah.

[2142] I don't know.

[2143] Got to pay them bills.

[2144] Oh, yeah.

[2145] For sure.

[2146] For sure.

[2147] I just, you know.

[2148] I don't know if, you know, I don't, I haven't really been following the, is the movie out this week?

[2149] Yeah.

[2150] Is it really?

[2151] Yeah.

[2152] Does he not have the wings on the side of his?

[2153] Yeah.

[2154] So, yeah.

[2155] I'm not down with that.

[2156] Well, this is like World War II cap.

[2157] Oh, so you can't have wings on them.

[2158] You're not with cap is what you're saying?

[2159] I guess not.

[2160] The difference is that he is not in his full -blown, I am a motherfucking superhero, look at my spandex mode yet.

[2161] They're trying to style it like...

[2162] This guy would actually go out with soldiers in the field in World War II.

[2163] So there are these wings painted on.

[2164] That's on the outfit too.

[2165] I think there might be unlockable costumes in the game.

[2166] So maybe you do get that.

[2167] But full modeled wings.

[2168] That's a part of Captain America to me. And when he doesn't have those, it just looks like a dude.

[2169] Actually, I really like the look, the way that they've styled.

[2170] Captain America for that movie.

[2171] Also, those are not Nazis.

[2172] No, though it's Hydra.

[2173] Yeah.

[2174] No Nazis.

[2175] Has it always been that way?

[2176] No, no, no. Just for this movie.

[2177] No. No, no. Like the first Captain America comic book has him punching out motherfucking Hitler.

[2178] Wow.

[2179] So it's like, no, they were not afraid of talking about Nazis then, but Marvel for this movie is like...

[2180] This is not Nazis.

[2181] This is Hydra.

[2182] Why?

[2183] It's World War II?

[2184] Because it's a fucking comic book movie.

[2185] You don't have a dude named Captain America go and fight fucking Nazis.

[2186] There are not a lot of shades of gray in that particular conflict.

[2187] I think they could probably get away with that.

[2188] Obviously Nazis are a decent punching bag.

[2189] They want to make it totally fantastical and not at all serious.

[2190] I don't know.

[2191] Indiana Jones pulled it off.

[2192] But Indiana Jones was also a more serious movie.

[2193] Think about the other shit that inhabits the universe.

[2194] that Captain America is also in.

[2195] Like Norse gods?

[2196] Yeah, like Thor and like fucking Iron Man. Yeah, I guess.

[2197] But it does take place during World War II.

[2198] Yeah.

[2199] And they are fighting Nazis.

[2200] Yeah, it's just that Captain America is not out there fighting Nazis.

[2201] He is fighting Hydra.

[2202] Oh, okay.

[2203] So World War II is happening.

[2204] Yeah.

[2205] It's not like Nazis don't exist.

[2206] Oh, I thought that's what they were trying to do.

[2207] This is the focus.

[2208] Okay.

[2209] Don't buy that.

[2210] Yeah.

[2211] That's weird in kind of a different way.

[2212] But I mean, it's definitely more plausible.

[2213] I'm sorry.

[2214] The part where they're kind of like talking in, you know, vague German sounding accents and actually saying like Heil Hydra.

[2215] That was the part where I was like, all right, guys, just own up to it.

[2216] Stop screwing around.

[2217] You want to give your Nazis weird cattle prods and fantastical weapons that don't exist?

[2218] Like, fine.

[2219] We've all seen that.

[2220] The Nazis were deep into the occult and they made robot suits that Hitler ran around in.

[2221] It's in the hand.

[2222] Read your Bibles.

[2223] It felt like they were tiptoeing around it with this Hydra stuff.

[2224] I don't follow the comic enough to know if that's a thing from it.

[2225] I don't care enough to find out.

[2226] That stuck out to me as weird, but whatever.

[2227] I think it's more of just like...

[2228] Not having a bunch of giant swastikas all over your game.

[2229] Sure, yeah.

[2230] Like, this is a good, like, all right, we're not fighting the Nazis directly.

[2231] Scams for Kids, Kanda, it's Hydra.

[2232] We want to release in Europe and Germany and all those places without painting it all out.

[2233] Places where America is awesome.

[2234] That's right.

[2235] Especially when he's a captain.

[2236] Captain America.

[2237] Where that movie is coming out under the name Captain America almost everywhere.

[2238] There's only like three regions where they opted to go with First Avenger as the full title.

[2239] Capitano.

[2240] Americano.

[2241] You would think.

[2242] I hope.

[2243] Captain America.

[2244] I want Capitano.

[2245] Capitano Italiano.

[2246] I played a little bit of Cthulhu Saves the World.

[2247] It's a weird Steam downloadable game.

[2248] Maybe we'll quick look at that.

[2249] I think we won't.

[2250] Do you want to say anything about it now?

[2251] I can't tell if it's funny or not.

[2252] You brought it up.

[2253] Yeah, I played that first 10 minutes or so, Breath of Death 7, and couldn't decide if it was funny or not either.

[2254] I kind of liked what it was going for, but by the end of that chunk of time, which was just me figuring out, should we do a quick look at this or not?

[2255] By the end of it, I was like, alright, I get it.

[2256] RPG conventions are hilarious.

[2257] So yeah, it was an intimate explosion, man. But that was it.

[2258] That's really it.

[2259] Are you sure?

[2260] That's really it.

[2261] Is that really it?

[2262] And a little more Puzzle Agent 2.

[2263] But that's really it.

[2264] Damn it.

[2265] I played some more Puzzle Agent 2.

[2266] See?

[2267] It's good.

[2268] It's good.

[2269] Terraria.

[2270] Tell me about Terraria, Jeff.

[2271] I was going to call it a video game, but now I'm not so sure.

[2272] It's art. Oh, okay.

[2273] Yeah.

[2274] Well, I love art. Yeah, I know you do.

[2275] All right.

[2276] Let's move on.

[2277] To a break.

[2278] Yeah, let's move on to a break.

[2279] Good call.

[2280] We're going to take a break.

[2281] We're going to come back with game news of the world.

[2282] Whatever we haven't done yet.

[2283] Yeah.

[2284] Nice going.

[2285] Now we have no idea what's going on.

[2286] I'm keeping you on your toes.

[2287] You don't know.

[2288] I know.

[2289] My toes are tired.

[2290] Come back for more toes.

[2291] And we're back with the top plays in baseball for today, Jeff Gerstman.

[2292] This week in baseball.

[2293] What's going on?

[2294] Coming in at number 10.

[2295] Number 10.

[2296] It's second half ball now, so it matters more.

[2297] But ironically, I'm watching way less.

[2298] Do you know Hulhauser has an actual Twitter account?

[2299] Really?

[2300] And it sounds just like everything Hulhauser ever does.

[2301] Great.

[2302] Just everything's just always so excited and confused.

[2303] I would have it no other way.

[2304] Childlike wonder in Hugh Hauser.

[2305] That sounds fantastic.

[2306] Are we past the...

[2307] Did the All -Star game happen yet?

[2308] Yeah, All -Star game happened.

[2309] No one gave a shit?

[2310] Yeah, no one gave a shit.

[2311] They've reached the same point that football did where it's like most of the players that you would want to play in that game, most of the players that the fans are voting in are like, oh, I'm not going to go play in that.

[2312] I'll get hurt.

[2313] Or, you know, why play more baseball than I need to?

[2314] I've got to stay healthy from a team.

[2315] I mean, it's kind of fair because they play a lot of fucking baseball.

[2316] They do.

[2317] Yeah.

[2318] But, you know, at the same time, that used to be one of my favorite things about baseball was the All -Star games.

[2319] You know, the home run derby and all that stuff.

[2320] And just like, oh, man, these are like the two best possible teams they could put together.

[2321] And if the people that are getting voted in are not playing, then at some point it's like, why even have the game?

[2322] You know, maybe they should just start having it.

[2323] Like they started in the Pro Bowl, like in that off week between the end of the playoffs and the Super Bowl.

[2324] Maybe they need to do something like that.

[2325] So it's like any player that's not in the World Series.

[2326] Maybe they have it between game four and five or something like that.

[2327] Whenever they're traveling or something like that.

[2328] Just throw the All -Star game in there.

[2329] The very real concern is that you may keep your team from getting to the World Series if you fuck up.

[2330] So you go.

[2331] Have it way late postseason.

[2332] In the middle of the World Series.

[2333] Throw it in there or something like that.

[2334] Just get old guys.

[2335] Just get guys who aren't playing.

[2336] Legends game.

[2337] Legends game.

[2338] Now you're talking.

[2339] True All -Stars.

[2340] What's Oral Hershizer doing these days?

[2341] Not much.

[2342] Announcing somewhere, I think.

[2343] Oh, okay.

[2344] Yeah.

[2345] Get him out of here.

[2346] Get him off his ass.

[2347] Off -Broadway.

[2348] Yeah, he's announcing off -Broadway.

[2349] Yeah.

[2350] Here comes the actor.

[2351] He's get onto the stage.

[2352] Oh, he delivered that line with such panache.

[2353] Nah, you're giving Oral Hershiser way too much credit.

[2354] No, I don't think he's an announcer.

[2355] He might just be like a desk guy at ESPN that is talking about highlights.

[2356] Analyst, I think they call them.

[2357] Baseball analyst.

[2358] This game is good.

[2359] Alright, great.

[2360] Thanks for analyzing it for us.

[2361] Good work.

[2362] It's also how I analyze games, too.

[2363] That's good.

[2364] That's pretty good.

[2365] It could have been better.

[2366] It's fun.

[2367] I don't know.

[2368] I didn't really like it.

[2369] It's a little dated.

[2370] Alright, let's talk about news.

[2371] Okay.

[2372] Emails.

[2373] No. You already did that already.

[2374] Fuck you.

[2375] Doing it again.

[2376] I know your muscle memory.

[2377] No, we're out.

[2378] I ran through them all.

[2379] Bring that beat back.

[2380] There are no. You want me to rewind that?

[2381] Yeah.

[2382] Can't.

[2383] I can't rewind it, and I'm sure that is much to Jeff Green's chagrin since I can't rewind it back to before Electronic Arts bought PopCap.

[2384] Whoa.

[2385] That happened last week.

[2386] Nice.

[2387] Thank you.

[2388] For $750 million.

[2389] That's a lot of money.

[2390] Yeah.

[2391] Or like starting price of $750 million, where if PopCap performs to a certain expectation, they can get way more.

[2392] They get up to like a billion.

[2393] Now that's a big, you're talking about a billion dollars.

[2394] I actually saw 1 .3 at the outside.

[2395] Yeah, 1 .3 on the outside.

[2396] Yeah, you're right.

[2397] Which is even bigger than over.

[2398] But I'm saying once you hit a billion, you say 1 .3, I'm like, I give a shit about that .3.

[2399] You're talking about a billion.

[2400] Oh, yay, $300 million.

[2401] Yeah.

[2402] I don't know if you noticed, I already have a billion dollars here.

[2403] Do you know how much that is?

[2404] I don't even know how much that is.

[2405] I have the billion dollars.

[2406] What do I do with a billion dollars?

[2407] What am I going to go buy with a billion dollars?

[2408] Nah, I'll make plans versus zombies, too.

[2409] That's what.

[2410] I'll be on my yacht.

[2411] I'll leave that to someone in the EA casual group.

[2412] Suck it!

[2413] You guys have fun.

[2414] I'm going to work out the rest of this contract.

[2415] Zombie 2 and then peace.

[2416] That's it?

[2417] PopCap is wholly owned by Electronic Arts.

[2418] I'm sure there's still paperwork and things of that nature.

[2419] And, you know, they've said, like, oh, the secret here is we're not going to mess them up.

[2420] We're just going to let them do what they do.

[2421] Uh -huh.

[2422] Which, sure.

[2423] Yeah.

[2424] For now.

[2425] Not at all a common phrase whenever someone is buying someone else.

[2426] Yeah, no one ever says, hey, we're going to come in here and dismantle this whole fucking organization.

[2427] This thing we bought, we bought it because we think it could really use some fixing.

[2428] I've got some really good ideas.

[2429] Nor does EA not have a consistent and deplorable track record doing the exact opposite.

[2430] Well.

[2431] Have they done it recently?

[2432] I don't know.

[2433] Remember Bullfrog?

[2434] No. What's that?

[2435] Tell me all about it.

[2436] Remember Origin?

[2437] Yeah, that's where I can go to get exclusive videos of all of EA's hot new games.

[2438] Remember Westwood?

[2439] Westwood did themselves in with Earth and Beyond.

[2440] I think.

[2441] Yeah.

[2442] They nailed their own coffin with their crazy space MMO that didn't pan out.

[2443] I'm just saying.

[2444] Litany of...

[2445] Oh, no. Acquisitions is part.

[2446] All your examples are so old.

[2447] The business had not reached a maturation point.

[2448] How many developers have they been acquiring?

[2449] Chillingo.

[2450] Playfish.

[2451] They're all social.

[2452] The guys in that mobile area, I don't know if they're fucking them up or not.

[2453] Criterion and Dice are two examples of developer relationships that have not been...

[2454] Awful.

[2455] But whatever, you're right.

[2456] Yes, the common, yes, the knee -jerk reaction, the track record is that there is a trail of scorched earth and broken dreams behind everything EA buys.

[2457] Absolutely.

[2458] Or anything that acquisitions.

[2459] Anything that anyone buys.

[2460] Anytime someone acquires someone else.

[2461] Anytime a big company buys a little company.

[2462] Someone's sad about it.

[2463] There are a lot of reasons internally, and I'm sure it makes a lot of great sense for everyone involved.

[2464] Sometimes shit don't pan out.

[2465] I'm trying to think of any case where that's...

[2466] Not actually true.

[2467] Blizzard, maybe?

[2468] I guess?

[2469] Not yet.

[2470] For now.

[2471] That's the thing.

[2472] It's all that gravy train.

[2473] It's great until it's not.

[2474] It's one of those things where it's...

[2475] Even the ones that didn't go that way still could.

[2476] Indeed.

[2477] We're not done with anything yet.

[2478] But, yeah.

[2479] PopCap.

[2480] That must have been a good paycheck for them, then.

[2481] Because I can't imagine why they would want to be bought.

[2482] They seemed like they were doing A -OK.

[2483] Pure profit from the outside.

[2484] Because when you...

[2485] The company's founded by three people.

[2486] And then when you're like, here's a billion dollars.

[2487] They come at you with a figure of that size.

[2488] You say, okay.

[2489] Well, right.

[2490] That's the only reason I can think.

[2491] And then those principles get signed to contracts where they have to work there for X amount of time.

[2492] Later.

[2493] Yeah.

[2494] Technically.

[2495] Technically.

[2496] Yeah, technically I work for EA.

[2497] And maybe they stay.

[2498] If they're having a great time and making great games and hitting all their marks, maybe those guys stay on after the fact.

[2499] But that's – yeah.

[2500] You build a company and sell it and then work out that contract and then all the money you got for selling it is the money you disappear with.

[2501] I don't understand how PopCap – did they like pay out developers or is it like we buy your – They made both.

[2502] So it was all internal stuff?

[2503] They never like – Like, hey, you guys are doing pretty well over there.

[2504] That's how they got Jeff Green on, man. Publisher stuff.

[2505] All internals.

[2506] Just all internals.

[2507] That's what he's all about.

[2508] He's just holding up a giant check.

[2509] That's all he's into.

[2510] Woo!

[2511] 25 bucks!

[2512] I really do want a giant check at some point.

[2513] Jeff Green's giant check.

[2514] So Jeff Green now back, EA.

[2515] Back home.

[2516] He works for PopCap.

[2517] So, and, you know, if what EA is saying is we're not going to fuck with PopCap, I'm not sure what that's going to mean.

[2518] Those are only stipulations we get to fuck with Jeff Green.

[2519] That's right.

[2520] That's right.

[2521] It's like a billion dollars, but also we get to make Jeff Green come back and work for us.

[2522] And then there was just some amount of like, he said what?

[2523] Oh, we'll show him.

[2524] He's just like one meeting where like, Jeff, somebody wants to see you in an office.

[2525] Door shuts.

[2526] Lights are off.

[2527] I told you I'd get you back, motherfucker.

[2528] Oh, John Riccitello!

[2529] Told you you can never leave.

[2530] How much did we pay?

[2531] I don't care.

[2532] You're back with me. Martin Sheen comes out of the wall.

[2533] That's right.

[2534] So maybe this is the counter Old Republic move that keeps Riccitello in at EA even if...

[2535] Old Republic is a complete disaster.

[2536] Because this is, you know, PopCap at this point just looks like money.

[2537] Granted, they've spent a ton of money for them.

[2538] Yeah.

[2539] But it's a very desirable space to be in right now.

[2540] How well did Bejeweled 3 do?

[2541] Any idea?

[2542] I don't know.

[2543] I guess they're a private company and they don't really sell through traditional.

[2544] They do.

[2545] I mean, there was a boxed version of Bejeweled 3.

[2546] But now rip that shit out of WoW because we're putting it in Old Republic.

[2547] Yeah, exactly.

[2548] You got Bejeweled and WoW?

[2549] We got Peggle, motherfucker!

[2550] Play it.

[2551] Isn't Peggle and WoW also?

[2552] Yeah, you can get all that stuff.

[2553] Not anymore.

[2554] No. It'll probably still be there.

[2555] Yeah.

[2556] Whatever.

[2557] Revenue stream.

[2558] That's right.

[2559] Get that money.

[2560] Well, congratulations to the new extremely, extremely wealthy.

[2561] Because those guys were already ridiculously wealthy.

[2562] Yeah, I know.

[2563] Like, oh, the guys that sold all those copies of Bejeweled and Plants vs. Zombies and all that other super popular stuff.

[2564] Right.

[2565] Yeah.

[2566] The guys that owned the company that was a company that had to be bought for upwards of a billion dollars.

[2567] I bet that they already were doing okay.

[2568] But now you're like unreasonably rich.

[2569] Now you can buy super yachts.

[2570] Now you can buy a boat that's big enough to land a helicopter on.

[2571] So congratulations.

[2572] I know, right?

[2573] It's a brass ring.

[2574] Negotiations are just higher.

[2575] No, think higher.

[2576] No, more.

[2577] Higher.

[2578] I've got a number in my head.

[2579] Higher.

[2580] And it's a lot.

[2581] Would you guys really buy yachts?

[2582] If I had that much money, I probably would.

[2583] I'm not literally asking if you would buy yachts.

[2584] I'm just asking.

[2585] I don't know that I would ever.

[2586] Whatever lavish equivalent you have in your mind.

[2587] Owning a boat sounds like a hassle.

[2588] Right.

[2589] But not when you're that rich.

[2590] When you're that rich, it doesn't fucking matter.

[2591] You're not scraping barnacles on anything.

[2592] I'm not talking about boats.

[2593] Just abstractly.

[2594] Airship.

[2595] A blimp.

[2596] I would buy.

[2597] I've said it before.

[2598] When we make all our money off this website, I'm going to buy a disused missile silo and move into it.

[2599] Well, that's what I'm talking about.

[2600] Ridiculous expenditure.

[2601] What is your weird, grand fucking...

[2602] I'll have one.

[2603] You have to have two people turn the keys.

[2604] That's what you're asking.

[2605] That's what I'm asking.

[2606] Space travel.

[2607] Really?

[2608] Just up and down?

[2609] Yeah.

[2610] We can't do that anymore.

[2611] You're going to have to go to China or India.

[2612] I don't know.

[2613] I had to have gone to Russia anyway, so I'll still do that.

[2614] Oh, you're talking about Richard Garriott style?

[2615] Yeah.

[2616] Okay, because the Virgin Galactic stuff I've seen does not look especially appealing.

[2617] No, it's not quite.

[2618] You're talking about straight up...

[2619] Space, space.

[2620] I'm talking about going to fucking space.

[2621] You're talking about actual state space program.

[2622] Yeah.

[2623] Okay.

[2624] Yeah, you might be into something there.

[2625] Yeah.

[2626] Go to space.

[2627] Really?

[2628] Yeah!

[2629] I don't know.

[2630] Go to fucking space!

[2631] I'd go to the space station and hang out.

[2632] I don't think I just want to go.

[2633] I wouldn't want to build some shit in space.

[2634] I wouldn't want to have a thing in space.

[2635] I don't know.

[2636] I don't think there's...

[2637] I bet there are less than like 10 private individuals on the planet who could fund something like that.

[2638] Well, then...

[2639] I went to the space station and I filled it with lava.

[2640] We're going to need to sign up for more subscribers.

[2641] That ain't even PopCap acquisition money.

[2642] Giantbomb .com slash world tour.

[2643] I don't know.

[2644] I just asked because...

[2645] The world tour will go to space if we get space tour.

[2646] I think a submarine would be cool.

[2647] The big appeal of being that rich to me is knowing that I will never not be able to feed myself and pay rent again.

[2648] That is honestly all.

[2649] And that's not billionaire money.

[2650] That's definitely whatever weird money dreams I've got are mostly centered around the concept of not having to worry about money, not necessarily going out and doing stupid shit.

[2651] I think American nature, or maybe human nature, is to always live X percent above your means.

[2652] So even at that point, you would have a house that Like, fuck, man. I have this giant goddamn house.

[2653] Why would I buy this ranch and this big house and I could hardly make the payments on this $8 million mortgage?

[2654] I must be the outlier because I would totally go Warren Buffett style.

[2655] Two bedroom.

[2656] Brick ranch house.

[2657] What's all that money if you're not using it then?

[2658] I don't know.

[2659] Just in case.

[2660] Altruism.

[2661] Swimming it.

[2662] Just the giant Scrooge.

[2663] Scrooge McDuck fucking money bank.

[2664] I'd change it all into quarters.

[2665] All right.

[2666] I'd start a website about video games.

[2667] Yeah.

[2668] That's a terrible way to lose all your money, man. I'd start a website about video game websites.

[2669] Now you're talking.

[2670] Let me know if you're hiring.

[2671] I know a thing or two about video game websites.

[2672] Fuck you do.

[2673] I'd maybe start a restaurant.

[2674] Because those always lose money and fail.

[2675] Yeah.

[2676] What is it?

[2677] What's the thing?

[2678] Yeah, like open a bar or something.

[2679] What is it?

[2680] Like 10 % of restaurants succeed or something like that?

[2681] Within like the first three years or something, they're all failed.

[2682] So I'd probably do something stupid like that.

[2683] Yeah, okay.

[2684] I'd get behind that for sure.

[2685] Put a little roller rink in it.

[2686] Wow.

[2687] Yeah.

[2688] Restaurant and a roller rink.

[2689] Now is it more roller rink or more restaurant?

[2690] Depends what you want.

[2691] Depends what you want to do.

[2692] Could you put some hammocks in the corner?

[2693] Sure.

[2694] It would be like a super fancy restaurant that also has a roller rink.

[2695] I've never gone to the rink.

[2696] Yep.

[2697] You've got food, roller skates.

[2698] Can I eat on the rink?

[2699] No. That's a safety hazard.

[2700] Maybe I'm a separate eating rink.

[2701] No, what I'm saying is that the rink is where the tables go and then everyone has a roller skate outside.

[2702] Your tables are on roller skates and they get pushed around.

[2703] Well, then that's appropriate for them to be.

[2704] You actually just sit in a stationary chair and then the table comes to you.

[2705] That's right.

[2706] It's pushed you by waiters who are also on roller skates.

[2707] It's like Demisum.

[2708] It's like a buffet, but you're always sitting in the rolly chairs and you just kind of roll around to the different areas.

[2709] And it's just the most authentic Basque food that you could possibly find.

[2710] But no hats allowed.

[2711] I don't know how to roller skate.

[2712] What does this mean for me?

[2713] Well, you sit in a chair.

[2714] Okay.

[2715] I can do that.

[2716] Yeah.

[2717] It's like sitting in a chair right now.

[2718] You get the experience.

[2719] And that has wheels on it.

[2720] What?

[2721] It's like you're roller skating on your butt.

[2722] Butt skates.

[2723] This is an idea.

[2724] Start.

[2725] Get my, what is that, Kickstarter?

[2726] Follow your dreams.

[2727] Kickstarter.

[2728] Kickstarter to buy me my missile silo.

[2729] Or I will do a webcast?

[2730] What will you get from this?

[2731] Fucking nothing.

[2732] Just do a semi -regular.

[2733] Radiation poisoning.

[2734] Live video stream.

[2735] Do you want the sort of below ground missile silo that does not betray its existence to the outside world?

[2736] Yeah, I want like a shack.

[2737] And then you walk inside the shack and there's a...

[2738] fucking metal door in the ground.

[2739] So you used to be like a drive -in theater and it's not a drive -in anymore?

[2740] Yeah.

[2741] I want spies like us.

[2742] It just folds down.

[2743] There's a two -way mirror.

[2744] Yep.

[2745] I feel like even the shack is too much.

[2746] No, you just want like an invisible way to get into that thing.

[2747] I just want like a rock and then you move the rock aside and there's the hole.

[2748] Yeah.

[2749] And you got to climb down all these.

[2750] Is it functional?

[2751] Does it launch anything?

[2752] Is there a missile in there?

[2753] No. No, no. Because where the missile was is where you live.

[2754] Yeah.

[2755] In the silo?

[2756] Yeah.

[2757] It seems cold.

[2758] Yeah.

[2759] It can be.

[2760] It seems...

[2761] I think the lack of daylight would be an issue.

[2762] I'd much rather have...

[2763] We used to open up the hole at the top.

[2764] Get a bunch of moon roofs put in.

[2765] I'm saying, you know, there's a giant hole where they had to let the missile out.

[2766] Open that door.

[2767] Although I imagine it's probably...

[2768] Incredible amount of work to get those doors working.

[2769] Whatever.

[2770] You're buying a fucking missile silo.

[2771] The feasibility of all of this means nothing.

[2772] I bet they're pretty cheap.

[2773] They're not as expensive as you would think.

[2774] But I mean as far as just the absurdity of whatever you have to do to get it into a livable condition.

[2775] Yeah.

[2776] Bring a mattress down.

[2777] Done.

[2778] Figure it out.

[2779] How do you get food delivered though?

[2780] How do you get Comcast in there and install your – Yeah.

[2781] Well, I think that's the thing is you'd probably have to have like a garage or some other above ground place to park your car or something like that.

[2782] So then it's like a Batcave style thing of – Right.

[2783] All this food for this tiny little house.

[2784] This is crazy.

[2785] And then who knows?

[2786] Yep.

[2787] Well, I imagine everyone in the area probably knows because like I remember when – Don went out and built that missile silo for the government.

[2788] Well, maybe he can launch your spaceship out of it.

[2789] You know, like on the missile.

[2790] You guys could work together.

[2791] I got to go to Russia.

[2792] Well, they can come to you.

[2793] No, man. We'll build our own rocket ship.

[2794] Just like explorers.

[2795] You get that bubble technology.

[2796] Just find aliens that only know I love Lucy and...

[2797] Yeah.

[2798] I have a lot of weird dreams.

[2799] It's only a matter of time before I dream schematics to something.

[2800] It's probably going to be some kind of spacecraft.

[2801] No, all of your dreams are like sex violence dreams.

[2802] That doesn't lead to space exploration.

[2803] How do you know that?

[2804] Because he talks about them.

[2805] About beating...

[2806] What was it?

[2807] A marmoset?

[2808] It was a possum.

[2809] A possum to death on his bed with a...

[2810] It wasn't my bed.

[2811] It was a bed.

[2812] Even worse, anonymous beds covered in bloody possums that you beat with police batons?

[2813] Police batons, yeah.

[2814] This is the worst podcast ever.

[2815] Zynga wanted to buy PopCap.

[2816] They didn't.

[2817] Yeah.

[2818] But they did get Mark Turmel.

[2819] They did, yeah.

[2820] The creator of Smash TV.

[2821] Yes.

[2822] And he's an NFL blitz.

[2823] Whoa.

[2824] Had that happen.

[2825] Giant check.

[2826] He went to work.

[2827] Yeah, they brought out the giant novelty checks as Zynga is wont to do.

[2828] And it said PopCap crossed out and then it said Mark Trammell.

[2829] Here you go.

[2830] The sum just said big money, big prizes, I love it.

[2831] He's like, well, I guess I can't really turn this down.

[2832] Now you're speaking my language.

[2833] I guess that's it for Blitz.

[2834] Don't be so sure.

[2835] On your iPhone.

[2836] Hmm.

[2837] But they've been pulling more...

[2838] Yeah, a high -level EA Sports guy went over there a little while ago, and some of his guys, it looks like, left with him.

[2839] I don't know if this is part of that or something different.

[2840] So Zynga is owned by itself.

[2841] Zynga is not...

[2842] Zynga is eventually going to go public.

[2843] Yeah, Zynga's too big.

[2844] Well, not too big to get bought.

[2845] But big enough to IPO?

[2846] Absolutely, yes.

[2847] Hmm.

[2848] Hmm.

[2849] And then what will we have?

[2850] Huh?

[2851] I want to get in your midst of sight.

[2852] I didn't take the possum baton thing as a sex violence dream.

[2853] That just, I don't know.

[2854] There's no sex in that.

[2855] It was on a bed.

[2856] A lot of things happen on a bed.

[2857] I review most of my video games on a bed.

[2858] I think we'll come back next week.

[2859] Our time is up here, Jeff, but we'll come back next week.

[2860] Oh, wow.

[2861] We'll pick up from there.

[2862] That music means what a breakthrough.

[2863] I wonder what the future for Zynga is.

[2864] They're not particularly well -loved for the games themselves by a lot of people.

[2865] Well, it's like they have a bunch of the EA LA guys, like the CNC guys.

[2866] Some of them split off.

[2867] There's the guys that went and made Bastion, but then there's also a bunch of other dudes that went and formed an LA studio for Zynga.

[2868] And as far as I know, they haven't done anything yet, or at least publicly.

[2869] Saw that it looked like they were changing offices, going to a bigger office.

[2870] Yeah.

[2871] I wonder, like, you know, it can't just be Facebook games forever because, like, it's going to be Google Plus games.

[2872] Right.

[2873] But, you know, just as they are so fucking all in on that format right now on the You Play This on Facebook.

[2874] And I think even, like, it's part of the some of the stuff that they were.

[2875] Was that them?

[2876] Like, Zynga, some part of their financial something or other part of disclosing.

[2877] for getting ready for an IPO, that they were like, yeah, and, you know, one of our risk factors is, what if Facebook goes away?

[2878] We'd be pretty much fucked.

[2879] Admitting that a lot of their success is dependent on women sitting around not watching soap operas and instead playing Zynga games.

[2880] So that's, yeah, that's another dream.

[2881] So I wonder where it goes.

[2882] Like, I wonder, like...

[2883] If they're aware of that and they realize they need to diversify, like, yeah, you can get some Zynga games on Android and iOS devices and whatever.

[2884] But I feel like if you're going to be that big and that strong, it needs to be more than that.

[2885] It needs to go further than that.

[2886] That was one of the things on some panel talking to the Zynga dude, I guess, about what are they displacing when all this time spent on their games.

[2887] And the guy's answer was literally soap operas.

[2888] There aren't really soap operas anymore.

[2889] Yeah, more and more are going away.

[2890] Makes sense.

[2891] And that is apparently the target demographic.

[2892] I don't think I'm out here being sexist and making weird assumptions about that.

[2893] That is what the Zynga guy said.

[2894] That is a market plan.

[2895] That is what they're doing.

[2896] That is a business plan.

[2897] That is what they're doing.

[2898] All my children is going away because mafia wars is way better.

[2899] It makes sense because it's an untapped market.

[2900] That's the thing.

[2901] Do you want to scrabble over the same guy who's trying to buy Call of Duty or just go where there's – Wait, scrabble?

[2902] No, Words with Friends.

[2903] Sorry.

[2904] Yes.

[2905] Do you want to just Words with Friends over, you know, who's playing Call of Duty or just go over here where no one's marketing games?

[2906] I uninstalled my With Friends games.

[2907] Yeah?

[2908] Yeah.

[2909] Why?

[2910] I'd had enough.

[2911] Think about getting into hanging with friends.

[2912] It sucks.

[2913] No one hangs.

[2914] When you win, you stop hanging.

[2915] I mean, it's not hang man with friends.

[2916] It's hanging with friends.

[2917] Is there a G on the end of hanging?

[2918] Yeah, there is.

[2919] Oh, it's hanging?

[2920] It's hanging.

[2921] I'm out.

[2922] Yeah.

[2923] I'm out.

[2924] It's not like hanging with Mr. Cooper.

[2925] Yeah.

[2926] But with Scrabble tiles and sort of hangman.

[2927] That's what I would do with my money is I would bring back hanging with Mr. Cooper.

[2928] Yeah, all right.

[2929] As long as you had a clear goal.

[2930] Mark Curry, I'm going to give you a career again.

[2931] Would you start with a movie to kick it off or just go right into it?

[2932] No, I launched a TV network.

[2933] It's like Paramount in the fucking 70s when they were going to bring back Star Trek and that was going to be – they were going to start a new TV network and they were going to have a new Star Trek show and that was going to be the anchor for it.

[2934] I'm starting a new television network.

[2935] Hang with Mr. Cooper.

[2936] That's probably actually the ridiculous thing.

[2937] I probably wouldn't be too far off.

[2938] Like if I had like stupid money, like – All kinds of ridiculous money.

[2939] That you weren't worrying about it.

[2940] Yeah.

[2941] I would probably actually start some sort of ridiculous content network that appeals to you, me. Yeah.

[2942] And it would literally be like me saying, like, come along for the ride if you want.

[2943] And I'll host a talk show and you can call in and we can talk about video games or whatever.

[2944] But primarily, yeah, it's going to be like, I thought it would be really funny to do a sitcom starring this guy.

[2945] And I fully funded it.

[2946] The production thereof.

[2947] It's money making money right there.

[2948] Exactly.

[2949] That'd be...

[2950] That's how you turn billions into trillions, kid.

[2951] Microsoft is going to publish Skulls of the Shogun.

[2952] So, yeah.

[2953] Props to those guys.

[2954] Any guys getting theirs.

[2955] Getting publishing deals.

[2956] Getting deals lately.

[2957] Yeah.

[2958] Yeah.

[2959] Feels good.

[2960] Yeah.

[2961] And that's kind of all the news.

[2962] So, EA bought PopCap.

[2963] Zynga bought Mark Trammell.

[2964] Or, you know, they're renting Mark Trammell for the time being.

[2965] It's leased with an option to buy.

[2966] Indeed.

[2967] And Microsoft is doing a deal with the Skulls of Showdown guys.

[2968] Bravo to those guys.

[2969] Just saw a story right before we came back in here.

[2970] Yes.

[2971] The voice actor for Morden Solis, Mass Effect 2, has not yet been approached to record any dialogue for Mass Effect 3.

[2972] However, you'll remember that Morden was in the E3 demo and spoke lines.

[2973] Yeah.

[2974] So this guy confirmed that that was not him.

[2975] Well, guess what?

[2976] Good enough.

[2977] Sounded a lot like that, which is weird.

[2978] Which is weird, because I saw that, and I was like, fuck, this is the best character in the game.

[2979] They're going to fuck this up.

[2980] And then I went back and watched that thing.

[2981] I couldn't tell the difference.

[2982] And you're like, oh, yeah, this is good enough.

[2983] I don't know how they, I don't know what the deal is.

[2984] Must be really disheartening.

[2985] If that guy heard you say that, I'd be like, oh, I'm not special at all.

[2986] Unless, I don't know, maybe it's lines they recorded for two that they had lying around stuck in there.

[2987] I don't know.

[2988] DLC that never got produced.

[2989] It sure sounded like him, but he said it was not him.

[2990] I mean, that character always sounded a little processed.

[2991] Maybe a little bit.

[2992] Like, there's definitely something being done to that voice.

[2993] It's just Casey Hudson now.

[2994] He's doing all the voices.

[2995] I can do this.

[2996] I don't know.

[2997] This might just be a really talented voice actor.

[2998] Fine, leave.

[2999] I don't care.

[3000] Go.

[3001] James Vega, your thoughts?

[3002] Is that the guy from the trailer that they redesigned to not look like that guy?

[3003] Wait, was he in the trailer?

[3004] That wasn't him in the trailer, was it?

[3005] It's like the British guy.

[3006] I heard someone saying, and I cannot confirm this is in fact the case, or if it's just internet crazy talk, but that this is a redesigned version of Jason Statham from those first Mass Effect trailers.

[3007] A bald British guy.

[3008] I don't know if that's the case or not.

[3009] This guy is neither bald nor looks to be British.

[3010] He's a character.

[3011] I'm saying it's a redesign of that dude.

[3012] A full redesign of that dude.

[3013] I don't see how that's possible.

[3014] Yeah.

[3015] Because they went totally the wrong way.

[3016] It's a new character from Aspect 3.

[3017] Oh, you mean that teaser trailer when everything else?

[3018] No, this is just a shot.

[3019] I don't know that this guy's been in any video ever.

[3020] I don't think he has.

[3021] No, I'm not saying he has been.

[3022] I'm just saying that that's a conclusion that some people are jumping to.

[3023] I don't know if that's rooted in any sort of reality or not.

[3024] There's only been two shots of this character put out.

[3025] The Mass Effect fan community was in a minor uproar over the dude bro -iness of this guy.

[3026] He's just like total space marine, like neck tattoo and faux hawk and space eyepiece and stuff.

[3027] I don't know.

[3028] What about fucking tattoo lady from 2?

[3029] She was not great either.

[3030] I thought she was fine.

[3031] She was a good character, but if you're going to take someone to task for neck tattoos, roll it back in.

[3032] It's more than that.

[3033] Take a look at the guy.

[3034] He just looks like he's the fifth guy in Killzone.

[3035] He's practically the fifth guy in Delta Squad.

[3036] None of those people want a character in their game that reminds them of someone that beat them up in high school.

[3037] I get it.

[3038] It's not even like that.

[3039] You're allowed to have tough guy assholes in your sci -fi universe.

[3040] That could happen.

[3041] Not on Shepard Squad.

[3042] The whole thing is that he's a guy who, as an Earthling, is totally unfamiliar with galactic politics.

[3043] I don't know.

[3044] I have no idea.

[3045] Space racist.

[3046] He does not look like he belongs in a Mass Effect game.

[3047] He could literally be your space racist.

[3048] That'd be an interesting character in that team.

[3049] You can hang out with space racist Shepard.

[3050] This guy again.

[3051] Earth, Uber, Alice, Shepard.

[3052] That's all I got for news.

[3053] That's it.

[3054] Uh -huh.

[3055] Emails.

[3056] Let's take another one.

[3057] That's the other new thing.

[3058] Someone else just say emails now.

[3059] Shaking it up.

[3060] It's just you saying it over and over again.

[3061] It's okay.

[3062] I'm fine.

[3063] You can keep saying it.

[3064] No, I don't want to.

[3065] I don't care.

[3066] We're talking about some of the new releases that are coming out this week.

[3067] Lay it on me. Call of Juarez, The Cartel, coming out for PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360.

[3068] It's modern day now.

[3069] I mean, Call of Juarez.

[3070] Thank God.

[3071] Ubisoft.

[3072] Sorry.

[3073] It's zero day.

[3074] Ubisoft.

[3075] Bring the thunder this week.

[3076] Three releases.

[3077] Four releases.

[3078] Whoa.

[3079] From the French giant.

[3080] I love that book.

[3081] André.

[3082] Les French giant, please.

[3083] They've also got Smurfs for the Nintendo DS.

[3084] I guess that movie's coming out.

[3085] Holy crap.

[3086] Les Giants Antiques Français.

[3087] That's probably this week.

[3088] I can't believe the trailers for that movie.

[3089] I know.

[3090] Wait, what?

[3091] The Smurfs.

[3092] They're putting out a Smurfs game?

[3093] Yeah, Smurfs movie to go along with the Smurfs game.

[3094] No, strike that.

[3095] They're putting out two Smurfs games.

[3096] Smurfs blue and Smurfs red.

[3097] Nope, it's Smurfs.

[3098] Smurf this, Smurf that.

[3099] Smurfs for Nintendo DS.

[3100] It's just Smurfs.

[3101] All right.

[3102] But then there's also, for the Nintendo Wii, Smurfs dance party.

[3103] Oh, finally.

[3104] Wait, were those Smurfs red or purple?

[3105] What?

[3106] Remember that episode of Smurfs where they all turned evil?

[3107] Yeah.

[3108] And they all ran around making that sound, which I think went something like, Good night.

[3109] Yes.

[3110] I haven't thought about this in like 20 years, but it just popped into my head.

[3111] I'm pretty sure they were purple.

[3112] Not red.

[3113] That'd be really confusing.

[3114] Evil Smurfs.

[3115] What color were their hats?

[3116] I think still white.

[3117] Still white?

[3118] I think so.

[3119] For a colorblind kid.

[3120] Yeah, blue versus purple sounds like about the worst possible way to run this.

[3121] That's how they get you.

[3122] It's like, oh, green guys versus brown guys.

[3123] Shit.

[3124] Can't tell until you shoot everybody in your face.

[3125] And then also Just Dance Summer Party for Nintendo Wii.

[3126] I saw the box art for that.

[3127] It said limited edition on it.

[3128] And I was like, what?

[3129] Yeah.

[3130] Are they only going to sell it in the summer?

[3131] It's only summer jams, man. So they've dropped the sequel numbering from the series now?

[3132] Yeah, Just Dance is blown up.

[3133] Now they can just crank about as fast as possible.

[3134] But the Smurfs one is not a Just Dance game.

[3135] But there's still like Just Dance 3 is still coming.

[3136] I have to imagine that the Smurfs dance game must leverage Just Dance technology.

[3137] Yeah, that has to be.

[3138] Like silhouetted Smurfs.

[3139] Why would you build that again?

[3140] Yeah.

[3141] I don't know.

[3142] That's a great question.

[3143] Well, I mean, whatever.

[3144] They are building.

[3145] I mean, the Black Eyed Peas game is not at all Just Dance.

[3146] It's new.

[3147] On 360 and stuff.

[3148] Well, that's because even Just Dance 3 is starting to just rip off the Dance Central.

[3149] So that's three games.

[3150] No, it's four games.

[3151] Call of Juarez, The Cartel, Smurfs, Smurfs Dance Party, and Just Dance Summer Party.

[3152] So that's one game.

[3153] It's four SKUs.

[3154] What do you want from me?

[3155] And then also Captain America Super Soldier for Xbox 360.

[3156] Nintendo DS, Nintendo Wii, and PlayStation 3.

[3157] On Steam in North America this week, we've got IL -2 Sturmavik Cliffs of Dover.

[3158] This came out in Europe a while ago, but just not getting it in the U .S. I wonder if it just took a long time to localize or if someone just woke up one morning and said, oh, fuck, I knew I forgot something.

[3159] Oh, we forgot to put that out, didn't we?

[3160] Yeah, I don't know.

[3161] Good question.

[3162] PSN Limbo coming to PlayStation Network this week.

[3163] Deadblock come to PlayStation Network this week.

[3164] All right.

[3165] I can say with some confidence that you do not want to get Deadblock.

[3166] Limbo, though.

[3167] Yeah.

[3168] I like Limbo.

[3169] And I heard someone saying that they were adding something or doing some bonus shit for Limbo on PlayStation Network.

[3170] There's maybe some content or something.

[3171] It's a flashlight you can use to see everything.

[3172] That's right.

[3173] You can just turn into Light World and you can just see everything that's in there.

[3174] Just hit the square button.

[3175] Oh, that's what that looks like.

[3176] Crazy.

[3177] That kid has a mustache.

[3178] That's weird.

[3179] That kid's a robot.

[3180] With a mustache.

[3181] I never thought that he was a robot.

[3182] But the one I'm most excited about, PlayStation Network this week, Fast Draw Showdown.

[3183] Yep.

[3184] From Digital Leisure.

[3185] Yep.

[3186] Digital Leisure.

[3187] For your leisure, this is a contemporary to Mad Dog McCree.

[3188] Sure.

[3189] FMV light gun game coming to PlayStation Network.

[3190] Already released as a WiiWare game.

[3191] Yeah, it came out last year as a WiiWare game.

[3192] Or maybe even the year before that.

[3193] God.

[3194] Yeah, a while ago as a WiiWare game.

[3195] Has WiiWare been around that long?

[3196] Mm -hmm.

[3197] Man. Truly a rich and storied history of amazing software.

[3198] Gosh, no, I know.

[3199] It's always the worst, though, when you, like, oh, there's this new game.

[3200] Oh, wait, it came out on WiiWare a while ago.

[3201] Well, that's why I don't know about it.

[3202] It's still effectively new to most people.

[3203] I'm excited about this because this gives me a reason to bust out my Mad Dog and Creelage disc later this week.

[3204] Yeah.

[3205] So we can do a compare and contrast.

[3206] Speaking of WiiWare, did you guys see the Netflix?

[3207] Did we talk about the Netflix on 3DS last week?

[3208] No, no, because it happened on, like, Thursday.

[3209] But, yeah, Netflix is now on 3DS.

[3210] I haven't gotten it yet because I got the press release from Nintendo in the morning.

[3211] I can't find my 3DS.

[3212] I can't.

[3213] I think that's a record for how long it's taken me to, like, misplace a handheld.

[3214] And it's like I misplace it and then don't notice for a long time.

[3215] And then it's like, oh, this game showed up.

[3216] I should find that.

[3217] Oh, wait.

[3218] When was the last time I even saw it?

[3219] Fuck.

[3220] I had it in my bag for a while and then the battery died.

[3221] So I took it out of the bag and then I don't know.

[3222] Something.

[3223] We got that Pac -Man Galaga thing.

[3224] I wanted to play that.

[3225] Nah.

[3226] I want to see it for myself.

[3227] Fair enough.

[3228] I need to know.

[3229] It's important.

[3230] Yeah.

[3231] Oh, yeah.

[3232] And Bastion, of course, for Xbox Live Arcade.

[3233] Sure.

[3234] Fifteen bucks.

[3235] Kicking off that summer of arcade.

[3236] Yeah.

[3237] For real.

[3238] That's the only problem.

[3239] It's kind of an...

[3240] E -mail!

[3241] Anticlimactic way to end the show.

[3242] I don't mind starting with emails.

[3243] I've got to figure out how.

[3244] I've got to say I don't like starting with emails.

[3245] No. I was into it.

[3246] I liked it because it caught everyone off guard.

[3247] I'm not going to start with emails again next week because you'll be expecting it and that won't be fun.

[3248] It won't have the intended effect.

[3249] I think the default order of the show has a flow to it that has peaks and valleys built in naturally, not in terms of quality, but in terms of whether this is about video games, yes or no. So we had all of our Let's Not Talk About Video Games content up front.

[3250] We always have a ton of Let's Not Talk About Video Games content up front.

[3251] I'm saying we had all of it.

[3252] That's a good point.

[3253] That's a good point.

[3254] You know what?

[3255] Valid.

[3256] So I need to keep what you've been playing and the email segment separate.

[3257] Yes.

[3258] Is the issue.

[3259] Going directly from one end to the other is the problem.

[3260] Just read emails.

[3261] Do not even questions.

[3262] What did you get in your inbox?

[3263] I should check my email.

[3264] Yeah.

[3265] Some good press releases that always flip through.

[3266] What's Walgreens doing?

[3267] Anything on sale?

[3268] It's the first email in my inbox, so let's take a look here.

[3269] Oh, friends and family sale.

[3270] Extra $10 off.

[3271] $50 online.

[3272] Back to school scale.

[3273] 20 % on contact lenses.

[3274] You still get those?

[3275] Yeah.

[3276] Somehow I managed to opt out of them.

[3277] Did you get out of the horrible loop?

[3278] I get them in eight different ways, too.

[3279] It's terrible.

[3280] I haven't seen Walgreens' email in a couple months.

[3281] I don't know how we got on that list.

[3282] It's the worst.

[3283] Who bought something from Walgreens with our email?

[3284] You know what is a climactic way to end this show?

[3285] All of us are leaving.

[3286] That's...

[3287] That's the only natural conclusion you could reach.

[3288] I've got one more email, you guys, and we're going to end on that.

[3289] I've got something, too.

[3290] Emails!

[3291] This comes from Sam Wooster in Kingston, Ontario.

[3292] Hey Bombardiers, I was just watching Gross Point Blank for the first time the other day and noticed the arcade machine in the Ultramark shootout scene is for Doom 2.

[3293] Did Doom 2 ever actually come out for arcades or is this some kind of apocryphal interpretation of what arcades were like in the mid -90s?

[3294] Is this half -assed product placement or just a case of the filmmakers not really understanding video games?

[3295] Yeah, I think it's the filmmakers not understanding video games and wanting something that they recognize as a video game there for that scene.

[3296] It's really weird that they would go to the trouble of ginning up that machine with that game.

[3297] As opposed to just go rent a machine from somewhere.

[3298] Well, it's good.

[3299] The thing is it works well in that scene because the guys playing the arcade machine is completely...

[3300] It's a violent game.

[3301] It's the joke.

[3302] The joke hinges on that game.

[3303] He's totally into this crazy violent game, and then behind him there's a crazy gunfight happening in his convenience store.

[3304] That's fair.

[3305] What movie were we talking about?

[3306] Gross Point Blank.

[3307] Gross Point Blank.

[3308] Does that movie hold up?

[3309] Yeah.

[3310] Really?

[3311] I think it does.

[3312] Yeah, totally.

[3313] I think it does.

[3314] I really like that movie.

[3315] Yeah.

[3316] Because it's more, I mean, it's a little bit of 90s character stuff, but it's also, it's a crime fiction movie as well.

[3317] Yeah, that's fair.

[3318] It kind of balances those parts pretty well, I think.

[3319] Yeah.

[3320] I still like it.

[3321] Jeff, what do you got?

[3322] I got some stuff from last week.

[3323] This is from Thursday.

[3324] And this is out on DSiWare Extreme...