JRE MMA Show #81 with Dave Leduc

[0] Three, two, one.

[1] What's up, Dave?

[2] How are you, brother?

[3] And we're live, bitches.

[4] Yes, indeed.

[5] You wanted to say that, huh?

[6] You're playing on it?

[7] Thanks for doing this, man. I appreciate it.

[8] Thanks for having me. Dude, I've watched you fight a bunch of times online, and Letway is probably one of the most brutal combat sports in the world, and it's so interesting.

[9] Watching a guy like you, are you Quebecua?

[10] Is that what you said?

[11] You're good.

[12] How's your French?

[13] It's not bad.

[14] Okay.

[15] It's terrible.

[16] It's way worse than up.

[17] I don't know anything in French.

[18] But how do you go from Montreal to being the king of Letway?

[19] Yeah, it's a crazy journey, man. And like in a way to, it was, if you go there right away.

[20] Let's go there right away.

[21] Basically, when I was, I used to play baseball.

[22] I was a pitcher in Pennsylvania.

[23] I was doing a bunch of, like, university baseball, traveling team.

[24] And then I got into like a fight with my father.

[25] Shout out to my father.

[26] A fist fight?

[27] Your father?

[28] It never went physical, but it was, like, going very hard.

[29] And they said, like, both my parents said, Dave, please leave, like, you're, like, you're kicked out of the house.

[30] Wow.

[31] How old are you?

[32] 17, 18.

[33] Wow.

[34] So, like, I had no money, and I was, like, like, almost, like, industry, it was minus four fire nights.

[35] So for, for you guys, like, minus 20 degrees Celsius.

[36] It was like, like, like, okay, I call my friend, like, come pick me up.

[37] And I couched her for a few months and, uh, finally got a place, got my shit together.

[38] But then I had, like, a fire, you know, we didn't, we didn't speak for.

[39] many years now we actually have a good relationship now but so then and i believe that nothing good comes out of comfort right like hardship so i was i was i had a lot of like i said fuck baseball that's like i wanted to fight because of that yeah that's so crazy so because of getting angry at your dad that's what made you want to learn how to fight it's like uh resume it maybe like that a little bit i hope it doesn't take it the wrong way but uh yeah it had worked out so you shouldn't take it the wrong way i mean it all worked out well true and then actually funny enough my first love was grappling I was I did a lot of competition like no ghee I won some like in ghee but was mostly no ghee and then I actually had my league called the SFL was like a submission fight league once a month I had guys organized I was only I was not fighting I was just organizing it and got the guys fighting and submission only not IBGGF and where was this that?

[40] In Quebec in Quebec near Montreal so then we're doing this and then I said my coach my Sifu Patrick again shout out to my coach he said i said i'd never want to do anything other than grappling you said well you're tall and you know you're good reach maybe you should consider i know i want to do i only want to do no key he's like okay he lets me do my shit and then uh yeah eventually i started i started doing like i come from sand up background like uh sand up right which is a style of martial arts yeah so chinese martial arts all the army in china does that pretty much and it's pretty cool so wide stance spinning attacks you know and cool stuff a lot of throws i was actually with kung lee in San Jose last week.

[41] No shit.

[42] Yeah, we did some nice headbutt videos.

[43] Oh, wow.

[44] We need to do one together after.

[45] All right.

[46] Have you done a headbutt before?

[47] No, not really.

[48] I never headbutted a person.

[49] On the pads?

[50] I've fucked around, you know, and headbutted the bag, but just joking.

[51] I've never, I've seen your pad routines where you incorporate headbutts into the pads.

[52] Yeah.

[53] I feel like you fight like you train.

[54] So if you don't, if you don't train it, how the hell you're going to throw them in a fight?

[55] Sure.

[56] It has to become.

[57] Do a lot of people headbutt pads?

[58] Are you like?

[59] I'm teaching them now.

[60] Oh, okay.

[61] You see you originated it?

[62] I've never seen anybody do it, but you.

[63] I mean, I've seen people, headbutt people in fights, particularly in the UFC, the early days.

[64] Like, Mark Coleman, when he was the heavyweight champion, he was the godfather of ground and pound, big, gigantic wrestler, and he would take guys down and get on top of him.

[65] It didn't matter if you were in the guard.

[66] He had but the fuck out of you.

[67] Yeah.

[68] I mean, when they took away his head butts, you know, because they changed the rules, they took away fucking 20 % of his game.

[69] 20 % of his game, he'd control you at a bang, bang!

[70] He just slam his forehead and into your nose.

[71] You know, you couldn't see.

[72] Then he'd pound the shit out of you.

[73] Okay.

[74] I mean, that was one of the ways he became the champ.

[75] So they took it out from the UFC.

[76] They took it out of the rules.

[77] Which I don't totally understand why.

[78] If you can elbow in the face and the eye sockets in the nose, why can't you headbut?

[79] I don't know.

[80] It's because a head butt cuts, elbow cuts, and you actually can do way more than an elbow than a head butt.

[81] And so knees, knees cut as well.

[82] True.

[83] Yeah, I think it should be legal.

[84] I think so, too.

[85] Yeah.

[86] Well, obviously, you do.

[87] Yeah, I'm a big proponent.

[88] Because you're excellent at it.

[89] So how did you get, explain the path to Leipwe?

[90] Okay, so now we were basically at the, starting to do striking.

[91] So then I do a couple fight nights, and I love it.

[92] I start fighting, but then it's illegal in Canada.

[93] You can't do like full, even Muay is illegal.

[94] Moitai is illegal in Canada?

[95] Pro -mortai.

[96] What?

[97] Yeah, no elbows.

[98] But how come the UFC is legal?

[99] Tell me about it.

[100] Oh, my God.

[101] That's so crazy.

[102] You can do MMA, but you have to do headgear and shit for a, Muay.

[103] Wow.

[104] Even in France.

[105] Chin pads?

[106] I'm not sure.

[107] But there's no elbows guarantee.

[108] No elbows.

[109] So amateur Muay Thai, no elbows.

[110] Well, that's not Muay then.

[111] No, it's not.

[112] Oh, that's crazy.

[113] Even in France, I think Muay Thai, like Thai fight when you go there, they have elbow pads.

[114] Really?

[115] Yep.

[116] With San Chai was fighting with elbow pads last time.

[117] Yes.

[118] No, San Chai with elbow pads.

[119] It's hilarious.

[120] In France.

[121] Wow.

[122] That's crazy.

[123] And then what else?

[124] And then basically, I went to Thailand for the first time because my friends were there and it's just easier because Myanmar was like for those who don't know it used to be called Burma and now it's Myanmar and it was super hard to get visas and you know a bunch of things stuff like that so I go there I do my first pro Muay fight because then I was I was like partying and I was I want to get a fight so you give me a fight I win how much training had you done you did Sanda and then what else well did Sanda and grappling and MMA yeah so basically so no Muay no no never did Muitai before my first Muitai fight what I was a all that it was that is crazy it's not beautiful to watch but yeah wow how many people can say that i never did moitai before my first moitai i don't know but i got lucky i got a nice elbow in the clinch cloth and cut him up right here so you started thinking about elbows then yeah that's my elbows now yeah but like just to back up a little bit basically my coach si fu bat told show me back then back then a black magazine uh Burmese boxing probably the same that you saw or sure and then i'm like i want to do this right and starting watching videos but there was nothing it was like black and white it was super hard to find.

[125] There was nothing about Lithuay.

[126] So I just put it on the ice, but my dream was always to go to Myanmar one day.

[127] But at the time, you know, Tiger Mutai was super big.

[128] It's like easy.

[129] Yeah, fights every week.

[130] He was visas.

[131] Like, you don't even need to get a visa.

[132] It's 30 days for Canadians right away.

[133] Really?

[134] So I was like, okay, my friends are there.

[135] They invite me to Tiger and I have a good relationship with them now.

[136] Basically, uh, ended up winning their tryouts.

[137] And I do the, it was a big year.

[138] That year we had like Dan Hooker, myself.

[139] We went and Alec Rolosnowski was there, Peter Yan, so all the guys were...

[140] Oh, great.

[141] Great fighters.

[142] Yeah, a good fight.

[143] And then I was like, I was for me, they were for the MMA.

[144] I was for Muay Thai.

[145] So we got a scholarship.

[146] So, look, you're still following me?

[147] Yeah.

[148] So then, and then I go to, I get that little, like, I mean, thank you for giving me that room, guys, but it was like a shitty room with a toilet.

[149] It was a bed and a toilet, you know?

[150] But I'm happy at the time.

[151] I had no money.

[152] You know, I just like, I'm happy.

[153] I'm happy with this.

[154] We had like, actually, my wife is watching right now.

[155] We had, like, called it the black hole in the toilet.

[156] There was the, you mean AC was leaking and it was so, like, it was so disgusting.

[157] There was like, we called it a black hole.

[158] It was a, the mold.

[159] Oh, that's terrible for you.

[160] I know.

[161] Tell me about it.

[162] Yeah, that stuff, some of that mold can be toxic, right?

[163] Yeah.

[164] And my wife was not very happy about it.

[165] I'm sure they weren't testing that mold either.

[166] No, no. So then we get this.

[167] And then, like, I remember, like, it's yesterday.

[168] We're on the bed.

[169] And, like, I'm making one fight a month.

[170] in Thailand and I'm you know it's like I'm telling I'm I actually got myself in myself in the Max Muay Thai tournament it was I was trying to get my name you know in the Puket Stadium in the Pouquet circuit and then and then one time like with a manager pull me out and he's like you're not good enough because they wanted me to be super stadium like you know check block check block and I'm not I want I was wide stance I was super I was catching kicks punching back I was not like like they want me to do at all not good for gamblers because gamblers they want you to do they start gambling second round and i was knocking i was winning like the first round so they don't make money with me oh so they wanted you to for people don't understand what we're talking about in thailand it's traditional that the fighters fight slowly in the first round they just sort of feel each other out once the bets are all in place then they go hard in the second and third round but a lot of fighters would go over there especially from other countries and just fuck people up in the first round yeah and that's what you did yeah and they didn't like me for that so what did they tell you to do they tell you to slow down They didn't say me anything.

[171] You just pulled me out of the tournament and say, you're not good enough.

[172] Not good enough.

[173] Yeah, and I was winning.

[174] I was winning fights, yeah.

[175] So that's how I'm starting to get pissed a little bit.

[176] And then I'm making shit money, and I sold everything that I had at the time to go to Thailand.

[177] So I'm like, a bit in, you know, like, hardship.

[178] Like, I'm like, what am I going to do?

[179] And then I meet Irina, my wife, now we're married by the time we were just together.

[180] And she said, well, when do we want to have kids?

[181] You're going to buy, you have kids with $200 a month, you know, like, we need to do some.

[182] Is that what you were making for a fight?

[183] $200.

[184] It's $200.

[185] It's like $10 ,000 a fight in the Pucasium.

[186] It's like $10 ,000.

[187] Sorry, $6 ,000 is disgusting.

[188] Wow.

[189] That's what people get.

[190] Like, even.

[191] For a whole months, you were living off $200.

[192] I was getting in debt.

[193] Thank God I had credit before coming to Thailand.

[194] Be burning through that shit, too, though.

[195] Fast.

[196] 50 bucks a week?

[197] That's kind of crazy.

[198] Yeah, I was spending it like $500 a week.

[199] So I was getting debt pretty fast.

[200] Wow.

[201] Like fast.

[202] So by the time, you know, and I'm like, okay, what I'm going to do?

[203] So we're, like, we're crying on the bed.

[204] My wife is like, you know, I believe in you.

[205] You can do whatever you want.

[206] I think you're, you know, you can be champion.

[207] I said, I don't want to be just champion anywhere.

[208] I don't want to be, I want to be champion in like the most brutal shit in the world.

[209] But Le Tway was like it was almost unattainable at the time.

[210] Explain to people the rules of Leithway because we keep talking about it.

[211] True.

[212] So let's head.

[213] Head butts, no gloves.

[214] Take downs allowed.

[215] So suplex to the spot on the head, elbows to the back of the head.

[216] they don't care you know takedown's allowed so soccer kicks soccer kicks not I mean yes the body but you can hit on the way on the way down yeah you can kick him in the head can a body lock and on the way down you head butt and then you get back up the referee doesn't care a lot of times is that a rule though is it legal or is it gray line gray line a gray area so you can actually do a take down and then drop the knee like knee stump and then it's okay yeah they say that basically you're supposed to help her brother up so So when you fall down, you help him up and you fight.

[217] So the mentality is like, we fight for 15 minutes and we punch you turn in the face, face with elbows, headbutts and everything, and let's see the first who quits.

[218] Wow.

[219] But then if you go on the floor, we get up.

[220] They want action -packed, you know?

[221] Even though I love the ground, I think it's true that on the feet is more exciting sometimes.

[222] Well, it's easier for people to understand for sure.

[223] Yeah.

[224] Especially for people that don't train.

[225] They always want stand -up fights.

[226] True.

[227] So how did you wind up going over to Myanmar?

[228] So, okay, so just, again, I watched a vice documentary on prison fight, okay?

[229] Look at that.

[230] Oh, that's hilarious.

[231] So the prison fight thing, another, that's, again, for, it's for in Thailand.

[232] For those who don't know, it's sanctioned by the Thai Department of Correction.

[233] And they didn't do, I was on the last one ever in 2014.

[234] And basically, it's inmates fighting foreigners.

[235] And if the inmate wins, the sentence is reduced.

[236] Whoa.

[237] Yeah.

[238] Have you heard about this?

[239] No. Okay, prison fight, yeah, I did that.

[240] And we were, so basically we go into maximum security prison outside of Bangkok, maximum security prison.

[241] And it's like a movie, man. Like, they made a movie actually about it recently.

[242] I was on the real deal.

[243] Yeah, and I was with my Turkish friend, we go there, they take her away her phones, we go that big metal door, we go underneath, I have goosebumps talking about it.

[244] And then we go, we see 800 inmates.

[245] They're all there for either rape, gang rape, murder, drug trafficking, and they're all.

[246] And they can get their sentence reduced if they win a fight?

[247] Yeah.

[248] What if they win two fights?

[249] One guy actually, it was on Showtime.

[250] They did a documentary on Showtime.

[251] And he actually won the finale.

[252] You won against an American and he got released.

[253] A murder?

[254] You won.

[255] He was actually, what I heard, correct me if I'm wrong, but he went, he was in a bar and somebody talked about his girlfriend or touched his girlfriend.

[256] He went back, he took a knife and stabbed the guy in the neck.

[257] And he got in prison for that for murder, basically.

[258] And he got out for fighting well.

[259] Fighting very well.

[260] Holy shit.

[261] Don't go to that part of the world.

[262] With a squeamish stomach.

[263] Fudge.

[264] So it was, but actually those guys, they do some mistakes, but they were fighting in Lumpini.

[265] They were, like, high -level guys, you know?

[266] Really?

[267] Yeah, maybe not, like, all champions, but they were, like, you know.

[268] They knew how to fight.

[269] 100 fights and up.

[270] So I get a guy who was there for trafficking in Meth and Fitiman, Meth.

[271] It was like 10 years.

[272] And basically, me, actually, maybe you know, Anvaro Zanarov, he fights in glory, and he was actually, he fought for the belt.

[273] against he actually lost the belt recently but we were me and him at the time he was not in glory at the time we fought there and only you know me and another Iranian won the prison in the prison fight and what are the rules so it's it's a three -round fight mutar rules with gloves with big pillows eight ounce so at the time again my goal was always to go to Myanmar so look look at that so basically after this I go back to Canada and I'm like my head It's like, I don't want to be in minus four degrees Celsius, you know, and minus 20 in Celsius.

[274] So I'm like, how can I go back to Asia?

[275] And so I go to, I go back, I save money, I go back, and then losing my thoughts.

[276] Basically, when I get that situation with arena, right, well, we're like, we're stressing for money, we're stressing for the future, I called up the prison fight promoter.

[277] And at the time I said, you have a fight for me, like, I need to get money.

[278] to, you know, he's like, well, I don't promote Mutai anymore, I promote Lettuay.

[279] You want to get, you want to fight in Lentu?

[280] I'm like, yes, that's my, you know, I've always wanted to do this.

[281] So he's like, well, if you want, I have his guy, is T -O -O -T -O, T -O, T -O, T -O, he's an undefeated in L 'O -T -W, he's, 26 fights.

[282] Wow.

[283] That's his real name.

[284] He was undefeated in how many fights?

[285] 36 fights.

[286] That means it's all K -O, right?

[287] Because traditional L 'O -T -O -T -O, it's K -only to win.

[288] We forgot to say that.

[289] Really?

[290] There's no, there's no point system.

[291] No points.

[292] How many rounds?

[293] Five rounds.

[294] So what happens if you go five rounds?

[295] Whoa.

[296] Even if you're fucking the dude up.

[297] That's what happened.

[298] Wow.

[299] So, yeah, so basically I go, I said, I don't care.

[300] Let's fight.

[301] I want it because you're just, it's my dream.

[302] So he's like, well, how many fights you have?

[303] Well, I have 10 Muay fights.

[304] Well, Muay.

[305] Well, he's, you know, 50 fights in Lettwee, and you have 10 fights in Mutai.

[306] Well, let me do something.

[307] He lied on my record.

[308] He said, he had 40 fights.

[309] Okay.

[310] Okay, and then I go over, I go over there, I'm like, I don't care.

[311] Because my coach, Sifu Patrick and I, we were always, like, you know, eye gouging and, like, practicing, that's the mentality of it, like, aggressivity, like fish hooking in the clinch or in the grabbing.

[312] Can you do that in that way?

[313] No. No. But, I mean, you could probably, fish hook if, probably.

[314] Probably?

[315] I mean, they don't care, really.

[316] Really?

[317] Yeah.

[318] But as long as you know, I pox, you know.

[319] Right.

[320] So anyway, so I was always ready for that.

[321] I wanted that aggressive fights.

[322] So I go to the fight and some kind of energy comes in my body.

[323] I don't know.

[324] I don't believe in that stuff, but like I just disfigured him.

[325] Like, he didn't touch me much.

[326] I was using my push kick to the ties.

[327] I was keeping him at distance and then I went inside.

[328] I used my elbows and I, like, if you see the fight, it's, it was really puffed up.

[329] Like, it was pretty cool.

[330] And then that was my first fight and the crowd, like, they were throwing bottles.

[331] A little bit.

[332] Why would they throw him bottles?

[333] Because he's their champion.

[334] Yeah.

[335] But then they quickly saw that I did my Likamun, which is the challenge gesture, a very old challenge gesture.

[336] And they loved it.

[337] So they started in really...

[338] How does that work?

[339] So basically, before the fight, you put your arm like this and you...

[340] So explain to people that are just listening.

[341] You put one arm under your armpit.

[342] So, yeah, for those at home, so you put your left arm under your armpit and the other arm in the air.

[343] and you hit with your cupped hand on the triangle shaped of your elbow and you three times that actually gives me more goosebumps before because that's I triggered out to the fight right and this is a very old gesture from Myanmar from the Burmese army back in the this one they were in the trenches and they were fighting enemies you challenge with honor and courage your opponents and you do that and that simulates the wing of an eagle you know and So they saw you do that and they got fired up because you understand their rituals.

[344] Yes, because some of the times guys were coming from other disciplines, other country, and they were putting their white crew, they were doing a bunch of other things, you know.

[345] I embraced the culture.

[346] Oh, okay.

[347] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[348] So they liked it.

[349] It's okay.

[350] Because at first, they basically, they wanted another tall white dude to get fucked by their guys.

[351] Sure.

[352] I mean, like, I was sent there to lose.

[353] I was sent out to die.

[354] What weight are you competing at?

[355] I'm 180 right now, but, like, most of my weight is in the green area.

[356] I hear you.

[357] So, but, like, when you're fighting those guys, like, what weight do you have to get down to?

[358] So, traditionally, in Lithuay, the Burmese guys were never really over 180 pounds.

[359] So every, every weight category has a, you know, as a belt.

[360] There's only, and I fight open weight.

[361] So there was, like, I fought guys over 200 pounds, 190 pounds.

[362] That doesn't matter as long.

[363] And I think it's striking that it matters less than if there's wrestling involved.

[364] Right, sure, yeah.

[365] But, like, there's only, what's, it's easy for let's people understand in Lithuette.

[366] only one golden belt champion for each weight categories you know like it doesn't matter you know bellatory ufc uh one fc there's one champion in lettuay for it doesn't matter how many promotions and then do they have like a stadium champion like they have in thailand or the no no no stadiums changed all the time okay so how what is the organizing body so at the wLC uh this is the world litre championship it's like the major league of lettuay and uh yeah they now they're actually gonna do i'm i'm we're saying everything but i want to we'll be doing an event in the state next year really yes in the united states yes is it legal it got you know the first state to legalize that way Alabama Wyoming oh those crazy those bear knuckle motherfuckers up there but now cowboys Wyoming they don't give a fuck up in Wyoming man there's grizzly bears up there and there's only 80 people I'd never been there it's awesome it's beautiful no never been there okay never I've been neighboring towns you know neighboring states but Wyoming's gorgeous okay but they want to do it like in Miami in Florida they try to get in Florida they wouldn't let it go in Florida?

[367] They're trying to get it there.

[368] That would be more prestigious than doing my Wyoming.

[369] No, man. Wyoming's the shit.

[370] I love Wyoming.

[371] You're going to get a endorsements from Wyoming.

[372] No, because it's like it's, uh, it's one of the last truly wild places.

[373] Like there's beautiful cities and beautiful homes and stuff, Wyoming, but it's a gorgeous state and it's got real wildlife.

[374] They have wolves and grizzly bears and elk and it's just like a, it's just, I have never hunted there, but you definitely can.

[375] Where's the best place?

[376] Utah, Colorado's great.

[377] There's a lot of Montana.

[378] I've hunted in Montana.

[379] Did you ever go out of the country?

[380] Only, no, no, I've never hunted in other countries.

[381] If you had to go where it would it be, like out of the country.

[382] Australia is really good.

[383] I have a good buddy of mine, Adam Green Tree.

[384] He lives in Australia.

[385] There's a lot of hunting out there.

[386] And New Zealand, there's a lot of hunting in New Zealand.

[387] It's a nice trip as far, but it's nice.

[388] Africa's weird.

[389] Hunting in Africa is very strange.

[390] Like, it's got too many connotations.

[391] to it but there's a lot of wildlife there and it could be rough through some places oh yeah oh hell yeah had some stories i heard some sort yeah well it's obviously an enormous continent but some of the countries can definitely be rough but they there's a lot of these areas that are supported by people hunting wildlife and i if i did hunt i would only be hunting things like antelope things that you eat i would never hunt like an elephant or not shit of no desire how often do you hunt because i saw like i i want to do it too because it looks healthy oh oh Oh, it's the best meat in the world.

[392] I wish you were staying around here, man. I'd give you some.

[393] I have a freezer full of alpour out there.

[394] And it's like, how's the texture?

[395] It's like a lean meat.

[396] It's like venison.

[397] If you ever had venison, it's very lean.

[398] You have to cook it at low temperature slowly.

[399] No, no, no, it's not that chewy.

[400] I mean, it's more chewy than, say, like, a real fatty beef steak.

[401] But I love it, man. I love it.

[402] It's so good for your body.

[403] And it's like wild.

[404] Oh, yeah, 100 % wild.

[405] Yeah, just dodging mountain lions and trying to not get jacked by wolves and bears and shit.

[406] I followed the nature is metal because of you.

[407] Oh, dude, that's badass.

[408] Nature's metal is the best.

[409] The best Instagram.

[410] There's like Kyle Dunnigan's the funniest and nature's metal is the best.

[411] And one of the coolest is King Ledzik also.

[412] That's a pretty good one too.

[413] Yeah, right?

[414] The headwets.

[415] But nature's metal man, I watch on one bear attack a deer and he was screaming like a human.

[416] Yeah.

[417] Oh, in the backyard.

[418] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[419] That's awful.

[420] I always show that to people that think the bears like these cuddly little things.

[421] I'm like, bro, they eat deer.

[422] alive.

[423] They eat them while they're alive.

[424] I show that to people that think that we're over nature, you know?

[425] Like, we're mammals.

[426] Yeah, we're a part of nature.

[427] We just live in cities and we're very well protected.

[428] Yeah.

[429] But you, that's one of the things that I actually enjoy about hunting is when you're out there in the wild, the real wild, wandering through the mountains, you realize how vulnerable you are.

[430] You know, when you see bears or you see mountain lions.

[431] Well, I don't bring a gun.

[432] I hunt with a bow.

[433] But, I mean, even with a gun, You're still, I mean, if you don't shoot something, or if it comes from behind you, like a cat, like a mountain lion will fuck you up, man. You have a rifle and you don't even have one in the chamber and a mountain lion jumps in your back.

[434] Good luck.

[435] You're fucking a bullet and getting your safety off and getting some distance.

[436] There's no way you can, like, you can't, like, I poke the guy.

[437] A cat?

[438] People have survived by stabbing them.

[439] People have survived.

[440] You know, there's people that have been in life or death situations with cats and they've managed to stay.

[441] habit it's possible but it's not likely likely you're getting fucked up that's like if there's a simulation one day I want to try it you know and you can retry a simulation where you don't get actually your face ripped off and with a bear too it'll be nice do you see that video recently or the trainer did you see that?

[442] Yes trainer the bear just decides you know what fuck this game just just tears the guy apart it's that can happen in any moment you're not supposed to do that with bears say hi to them you see them hopefully you're in your car keep driving wave at them don't get out of the fucking car and definitely don't try to train them did you see one like when they're no hair oh yeah yeah it's not the most beautiful creature oh creepy looking yeah so anyway so let's keep yeah please go so uh we're talking about uh the prison fight i believe or something like that so yeah so i get yeah i know actually we're going to i i crossed over to let's way and then i you know i was giving a just to tell you how much, like, I really wasn't prepared how much, and it's kind of a crazy how it happened.

[443] My translator, Burmese translator, before entering the ring, told me, you know, if you want to protect your head, but don't forget, you put your hand on his head, right?

[444] I'm like, what do you mean?

[445] He's that, well, put your head.

[446] So if he strikes you, it's not going to cut you.

[447] And that's what I teach in my seminars, too, and I'm like, wow.

[448] And that's like literally before they called my name.

[449] So I go in the fight and actually stop the headbut from this.

[450] Yeah.

[451] And like to people at home that, you know, let's say I try to, you know, if I would put my hand on my head in a clinch right and if you would strike on my forehead and he would you could still strike me in the jaw if i put on my jaw i can still go to my temple but the goal is to and we can do it after a little bit like on the i would put on your head so this and if you strike me it's gonna it's gonna stun me but not cut me right that's the key but then again why it's so difference and what why is it so different is because you lose a limb that you could use for striking you have to put it on the head of your opponent so you have like one limb left of hit or whatever so completely different clinch and most people when they clinch in moitai whatever they clenched they hold the biceps right but then in the middle there's a head blood right it's really cool that there's still one martial art in the world that still like will not budge that we'll keep it raw that's that it's it's an effective technique and this has always been my problem with glory the glory doesn't allow elbows i'm like why not have full moitai rules allow the clinch allow knees to the body and the clench allow elbows knees to the face the plum I mean, all those techniques are very valid.

[452] To be able to cross over an elbow in the clinch, I mean, it's very skillful.

[453] It's real.

[454] Yeah.

[455] Yeah.

[456] So if you add elbows and then head, man, that's another element.

[457] Yeah, that's the thing.

[458] So that's why I think headbuts should be allowed in MMA, I believe.

[459] I think so, too.

[460] And if not, well, we have MMA, which is, like, the most generalist martial art with the grappling and the wrestling and the striking.

[461] But then in Lituay, we have, like, the most permissive striking sport on the feet.

[462] right yeah that's pretty exciting yeah well bare knuckle boxing is they've doing a lot of that in Wyoming by the way oh it's in the Wyoming yes that's where they do it I think that's the only state see if that's the only state that allows it I think it might be one of the only states that allows it but I was a big proponent of bare knuckle in MMA I was like why do you get to pad the knuckles up when you don't pad the shins and this and the elbows and it doesn't make any sense I agree but then the cuts the truth Mississippi and New Hampshire sure have also recently added it but Wyoming was the first yeah I needed Jamie in my life yeah there you go everybody does yeah so um the the cuts are huge and that's the thing but it's only hands right right if you would have your legs to push him away you would have your elbows you have the head butts you would I feel um it's even more realistic they would get less cut up yeah I get less cut too and I think you know in a way I actually think like if you look in general most Littlewood fights, I have a bit less cut than the bare knuckle boxing because it's really you're just standing in front of each other and you just punch it.

[463] Right.

[464] I want to be the new generation Lithuah fighter because the Burmese actually, they go in the pocket and it's a blood bat, you know, scar tissue everywhere, short careers.

[465] You don't fight like that.

[466] I don't want that.

[467] I want to go back to my wife and be, uh, hey, baby, I'm good, you know.

[468] So you fight, well, you also are very long, right?

[469] You're tall and long for your weight class.

[470] Yeah.

[471] So even though you're fighting large, well, how would you look at six?

[472] I'm 6 -2.

[473] 6 -2.

[474] So when you're fighting these guys, do you usually have a high advantage?

[475] Yeah, and that's a good point.

[476] So basically people say, because Tutu 2 and Tun -Tun -Minn, that's another guy, Tun -Tun -Minn.

[477] He was the legend, he was the former champ, the one I defeated for the Golden Belt.

[478] He was the open -weight champ.

[479] So 2 -2 was 75 K -G, and the other one was open -weight.

[480] So basically, Tun -Tum -min and him are both around 5 -9, 5 -10.

[481] And so, but the thing is, it's actually, and now after facing a...

[482] taller opponents like Americans and French and Australian, six foot and up, six foot three and everything.

[483] If you look at this like, he's like five nine would be about here, five ten, and then the headbut would go right away to my jaw.

[484] Okay?

[485] And a six, and if I want a headbut him at five ten, five nine, I would have to drop my level, then do a headbutt.

[486] So I look at slower.

[487] But if I, like I fought in August, you know, Seth Bezinski is like six three.

[488] I didn't get to, didn't get to.

[489] Seth Bezinski fought in that way?

[490] Yeah.

[491] I didn't know that.

[492] Yeah.

[493] You fought him?

[494] Yeah, last month.

[495] How did it go?

[496] Second round, I got him with a weave and then a hook in the pen.

[497] But I think he was pretty cautious of the head, but we didn't get in the pocket.

[498] So, yeah, it was in Burma.

[499] He's a cool guy.

[500] He's a very cool guy.

[501] He's a very cool guy.

[502] I didn't know he was doing that.

[503] Yeah, he was bigger than me, though.

[504] He's a big wood.

[505] It's a big fellow.

[506] He's not 170 anymore.

[507] No, I'm sure.

[508] So is there cutting weight in Lettwe?

[509] Well, in the WLC now, they're trying to put more strict weight class.

[510] And, but before, like I said, I fight, I fought open weight.

[511] But now open weight was very restrictive.

[512] As more, as the popularity of Lütway increases, there's more big guys than want to fight.

[513] Right.

[514] So now in WLC, I'm fighting cruiserweight, which was 190, 185 pounds.

[515] Dude, that guy headbutting, who is that supposed to be?

[516] The guy on your shirt.

[517] That's me. That's you?

[518] I got that by a fan.

[519] It's pretty cool, no?

[520] Yeah, that is cool.

[521] And it's the same face as I do when I headbutt.

[522] You're very angry face.

[523] Well, I try to be kind outside of the ring.

[524] Yeah, an angry inside of it.

[525] And we don't let anybody.

[526] So have other, like, big -name guys, like Seth, you know, Seth fought in the UFC for quite a long time?

[527] I think 11 fights and he did the ultimate fighter, too.

[528] Is there other guys at that level that are starting to make their way to left way?

[529] Well, we actually got a message that did it from Diego Sanchez.

[530] Diego is so fucking crazy.

[531] Of course he wants to do it.

[532] He said, Dave, I'm not in UFC anymore.

[533] He's not?

[534] Oh, maybe I shouldn't say that.

[535] Oh, shit.

[536] He just dropped a scoop.

[537] Diego Sanchez is not in the U .S. Yeah, he said, I'm off with my contracts.

[538] You want to get me a liftway fight in WLC would be nice.

[539] Wow.

[540] Is that fucking psycho?

[541] Of course he wants to do it.

[542] Yeah, I think he would love it.

[543] Oh, yeah, you'd love it.

[544] He's perfect for it.

[545] Yeah.

[546] I'll corner him, too.

[547] Yeah, that's interesting.

[548] But so, yeah, apart from that, there's been, like, it was mostly strikers.

[549] And I had thought Cyrus Washington, maybe you know.

[550] Oh, yeah, sure, yeah.

[551] Also, they figured him, too.

[552] Yeah?

[553] Yeah.

[554] And we had a little bit of rivalry.

[555] He's a very good fighter.

[556] Very good fighter, but he was running around the entire freaking fight.

[557] He's a shorter guy, too, right?

[558] He was 5 -10, I believe.

[559] Is he?

[560] Yeah, 5 -11, I'm not sure.

[561] But you're a bit shorter than me, but, yeah.

[562] He's a guy that throws a lot of spinning techniques, too.

[563] Yeah, and I was aware of that, and I wanted to make sure that, you know, I keep my distance, but then I knew I had a better inside game than him.

[564] So I do want to, I want to go inside fast, yeah.

[565] Yeah, so him and a couple, yeah.

[566] But the biggest name was.

[567] the Burmese guys, you know, they're like 55 men people, for people at home, there's 55 men people in Myanmar, and their national sport is Lithuay.

[568] Yeah.

[569] And it's like a religion there.

[570] That is crazy.

[571] It's crazy.

[572] It's crazy that it's so popular there.

[573] And most people, unless you're a hardcore martial arts fan, you don't even know about it.

[574] Yeah.

[575] You know, there's a lot of UFC fans probably listening to this podcast, just hearing about Lettwe for the first time.

[576] Yeah.

[577] And it's, it's okay, because I had, like, again, Jim's that hosted a seminar with me, and he said he's a martialitis for 40 years and never heard about Lithuay.

[578] Wow.

[579] So it's okay.

[580] We're in that transition now, you know?

[581] But then in 20, 30 years, they're going to ask, hey, do you know about Latois?

[582] Yeah, I heard the podcast about the day.

[583] Well, it's also YouTube, I think.

[584] A lot of the videos of your fights and some other fights on YouTube, people go, whoa, they see the head butts and the body slams and the suplexes and shit.

[585] It just shows, like, wow, this is wild.

[586] This is a wild sport.

[587] It's pretty exciting.

[588] How long are the rounds?

[589] Are they normal length, three minutes?

[590] Five rounds of three minutes, yeah.

[591] Okay.

[592] Yeah, exactly.

[593] So it's very similar to Mointai.

[594] Yes, but then the crazy part, which my fights I fought in the traditional literary rules, is that you have an injury timeout.

[595] An injury timeout.

[596] So meaning that, let's say you knock me out, Joe, and then I have, they pull me out in my ring, in my corner, they slap my face, they bite my ear, they pull my head, whatever, they want to make me up.

[597] Bite your ear?

[598] But that helps you wake you up.

[599] Really?

[600] I don't know.

[601] It hurts, no?

[602] It wakes you up.

[603] Have they done that?

[604] Not to me. I never used my time.

[605] But you've seen people do that?

[606] I've seen them bite each other's ears.

[607] Yeah, they go, they just like, they mumbo, they just chew on the ear a little bit.

[608] Really?

[609] It hurts, no?

[610] Well, I'm sure it hurts, but, I mean, what about ice?

[611] It seems like that would be a better way to wake you up.

[612] They do everything, because let's say you have two minutes to get revived.

[613] Okay, so you get caoed.

[614] Yeah.

[615] And the fight's not over?

[616] Two minutes to get revived.

[617] Why isn't the fight over?

[618] I don't know.

[619] That's the traditional back 2 ,000 years ago.

[620] They want to give another chance.

[621] What?

[622] But the WLC, thankfully.

[623] Oh, my God, that is so crazy.

[624] Yeah.

[625] WLC's eliminating that?

[626] They're in with that.

[627] And I'm good with that.

[628] If you want guys to have a career out of Latwey, right?

[629] It's better for the brain.

[630] Oh, yeah, a lot better.

[631] Because I think only seen one time.

[632] Actually, it was Tunin with, I think, Cyrus, where actually, you get the only guy, you know, you get knocked out.

[633] He went back to his corner, got revived, and won the fight.

[634] What?

[635] Yeah.

[636] Do you win by decision?

[637] No, there's no decisions.

[638] Cyrus Washington's corner through in the towel.

[639] Wow.

[640] That is so ridiculous.

[641] That's really rare.

[642] So most of the time, when you use your timeout, you're out.

[643] You're going to just get knock out twice.

[644] Yeah, I would imagine.

[645] I mean, you just had a serious head.

[646] Oh, is that it right there?

[647] Show it to me in the beginning.

[648] Show it to me in the beginning.

[649] Nice out.

[650] You knocked, boom, elbow here.

[651] Oh, my God.

[652] He's out fucking cold.

[653] Yeah, look, they drag him out, and he actually finished him won the fight.

[654] That is insane.

[655] So they drag.

[656] That is fucking insane.

[657] That is fucking insane that they, oh my God.

[658] They're going to bite his ears soon.

[659] No, they're not going to bite his ears.

[660] Don't tell me they're going to bite his.

[661] They drag him He's out cold And this is one of the strongest Like he was This is two two men Yeah So they sit him down He's literally unconscious And he wakes up now He's starting to wake up When they got water That's hard though Like that's freaking heart Like can't think about What Jamie?

[662] They just bit his ear They just bit his ear Rewan Who's biting his ear They're pouring water on him He's gonna do it right there Anyway Anyway just like yeah That's the Oh he tried to bite his ear He really did Oh Jesus Christ So they just pouring water on them And they give him a chance to wake up Hey wake up bro That is so crazy What kind of By the ear right there Yeah Oh my guy that's biting his ears He's kissing him too He's making out with him He's like bro I'm gonna fuck you if you don't wake up And the crowd goes crazy Because they like you know They want him to keep going Yeah it's really about grit And about like heart And he goes back Look, after, like, 30 seconds, and he ends up winning.

[663] Are they gambling here as well?

[664] I'm not aware of it.

[665] I think a little bit, a little bit.

[666] It's not, but it's not only Thailand.

[667] I know there's no alcohol, sir.

[668] It's really about Lithu.

[669] But it's not like Thailand.

[670] Yeah.

[671] Okay, so here's Cyrus Washington.

[672] They put his mouthpiece in, and he's aware of the rules, right?

[673] So he knows he knocked him out.

[674] Yeah, but then it's a long time after that.

[675] How much time?

[676] It's a long time.

[677] Like how long?

[678] At the end of the fifth round.

[679] But how much time do they give him a break?

[680] Oh, it's a minute or two of a break for in between rounds.

[681] No, but I mean while he got knocked out to revive them.

[682] It was a two minute break.

[683] Just two minutes?

[684] Yeah.

[685] Oh, look at this.

[686] He's already back to it, you know?

[687] That is crazy.

[688] It was not going cold.

[689] That's crazy.

[690] Boy, this is so bad for your brain.

[691] I fought both of them.

[692] I fought Cyrus and I fought Tuntumin three times.

[693] So basically, oh, look, yeah, this is the end.

[694] So Cyrus just quit?

[695] He's out.

[696] Yeah, Tau was there like it's over.

[697] Wow.

[698] It's over.

[699] So Tintamin won the fight.

[700] Wow.

[701] That's crazy.

[702] Crazy.

[703] Welcome to the world of Lithuay.

[704] Wow, but that's so insane that they revive him.

[705] I mean, that motherfucker was out cold.

[706] So to the men now, like that, I have a big rivalry with him.

[707] We had a trilogy fight together, and he's one of the strongest guy I've ever saw in my life.

[708] Like, he's almost immune to, I don't know, he's tough.

[709] But think about, like, I was watching, when I got into Latvia, my coach showed me fights.

[710] I saw his fights, right?

[711] And I was like, it seems so far away to go actually there.

[712] I was a little kid from Montreal, you know, from Gatinau, actually.

[713] And then fast forward a couple years later, I'm fighting him for the most anticipated rematch in Lithu history, right?

[714] Like, it was like the, it was everywhere in the country, live on national TV.

[715] It was like 30 million people watching it, like almost the whole country.

[716] It was insane.

[717] And then 30 million people.

[718] It's crazy.

[719] People in the huts and have a. satellite and the people gather in the villages they have they don't have electricity but they have like they don't have a running bathrooms but they have a tv with a satellite and then we we fight in December last year and that's actually you showed my headbut last time that was that was him oh yeah you know the headbut knocked out the knockdown that you showed yeah and you said like this dude do it a lot yeah because people were saying oh headbut doesn't work like no no no no no I was during fight companion yeah I was telling them no no no you got to see Dave you're good man, that was good.

[720] I appreciated that.

[721] But, so yeah, that was the headbutt, my first headbutt knock down like this, like this.

[722] Really, I use headbutt, I use the head to create distance.

[723] So let's say we're in the clinch, right?

[724] And you, I would like put, I would put my forehead, the hard part of my skull on the jaw, on the Iroita, on the stern -o, on the mastoid muscle here.

[725] And I would just use it to push and then I couldn't bring it back.

[726] So create space and then headbutt.

[727] Now, the way you work the pads with headbutts, is that something that you invented?

[728] I was never told so I just I just started I wanted to get better right so I started doing it yeah I pretty much invented it Wow I mean cannot put invented but like I started doing it but you well you started actually doing pad work for headbutts though Yeah in a more refined way because they do that in Myanmar a little bit of head butts on the pad but like I wanted to know more refined way and following up with you want oh look this you do what show this cord neck flex that's so ridiculous actually that's I actually what is neck flex is that something like the iron neck like the same sort of a deal To be honest, I don't know if you're, that's for you.

[729] Okay.

[730] Look at that.

[731] So it's a chain for weights and then a cord.

[732] So this is my lifesaver man for my neck, to be honest.

[733] I used to have those, you know, the blighty thing in Thailand.

[734] Right.

[735] With the freaking concrete thing.

[736] Yeah.

[737] Explain what that is.

[738] So basically for people at home, like, it's like a cord.

[739] I was always the last guy after the gym to go train my neck because I feel like it helps head butt prevention and concussion and everything, right?

[740] Definitely helps concussion prevention.

[741] And I feel like if you would punch me in on the front, what absorbs is the, The impact would be my sternocledo mastered muscle.

[742] And so then I started doing this, but those, when you, when you bite a weight and you pull it up, it works the back of the neck.

[743] But then I was doing neck raises.

[744] I was on my back and I was doing neck raises for the front of the neck.

[745] But then I was getting a bit stronger, so I was putting like kettlebell on my forehead and like, you know, to get stronger.

[746] But then I can't carry this biteable neck on my trips, on my tours.

[747] Right.

[748] So then this guy reaches up.

[749] Like, well, you can bring that in your luggage, and then you can put a 45 pound on it if you want.

[750] Right.

[751] That's pretty practical, right?

[752] Yeah.

[753] So then I started, like, just doing my neck like this, and I like it's practical.

[754] Then I can, when I'm on tour right now, I can just do my neck everywhere, and any gym with a weight, you know?

[755] Have you ever used an iron neck?

[756] No, no, no. I have one out here.

[757] I want you to try it because I think it's the best for training your neck.

[758] Because it allows you to rotate.

[759] Okay.

[760] So you put it on, it's like a halo, and then it has a 50 -pound bungee cord.

[761] You like it?

[762] I love it.

[763] Grapplers love it.

[764] Like John Jack Machado, Sweatel.

[765] But can you do, like, heavy weights?

[766] Like, because this I can do, like, a 45 pounds on...

[767] No, you don't do weights?

[768] No. So the idea is that...

[769] You don't think it would be good to do weights?

[770] I don't know.

[771] See, it's very controversial.

[772] Some people think that when you're doing, like, the traditional...

[773] I have one of those head things, a leather thing with a chain like that.

[774] You put a plate on it and you do these.

[775] I've done these.

[776] But some people think that that motion with weights puts unnecessary pressure on your discs.

[777] Okay.

[778] So the idea with the iron neck is there's never any pressure on your disc because your neck is straight.

[779] So you get a halo.

[780] The halo sits on top of your head.

[781] It forms.

[782] I saw that picture.

[783] You pump it up so it gets tight to your head.

[784] But I feel like all those twisting can be a bit not detrimental for the disc.

[785] You know, you twist a lot more.

[786] You just got to try it.

[787] We'll try it afterwards.

[788] I'll show it to you.

[789] But I mean, I'm not a physiologist.

[790] So I don't know.

[791] But I've talked to people that I really respect and they don't like the weight thing.

[792] Okay.

[793] Well, I guess, because I use the weight and I feel like, like, actually, maybe you saw a video I did with Bass the other day in LA would No, I didn't see it I put it out It was eagle throat In the neck Oh Eagle throat to the neck is legit I tell people that Like if someone's fucking with you Like just grab their neck slam them in the neck like that But this I feel like as I'm doing more neck My muscle overlaps My trachea right Oh yeah All this stuff right here I want to feel you Yeah man Get in there girl Cut it up Tie it up Okay It's a little sign man Damn man You got a lot of muscle in now So you have a lot of muscle in now So you're You're doing a lot of this stuff.

[794] A lot of neck races.

[795] Are you doing it every day?

[796] Every two days and I do it like.

[797] Do you do neck bridges as well?

[798] Neck braces back in front.

[799] Yeah.

[800] Pendulum and everything.

[801] But I'm not, I'm not doing like side yet.

[802] I'm just doing frontal because I don't want to risk it.

[803] Yeah.

[804] Tyson was doing a lot of, you know, Tyson was doing a lot of, you know, Tyson had to get surgery on his neck.

[805] It's risky.

[806] The neck braids it, if you don't do it well, you can hurt your back.

[807] Yeah.

[808] Neck bridges are a lot of wrestlers want to fucking their neck up on that.

[809] I mean, you put a lot of weight.

[810] You know, you see.

[811] that arc when you're rolling back and forth.

[812] And the thing is, it's tremendous pressure on the discs.

[813] It's an unnatural pressure.

[814] This is the whole concept behind the iron neck.

[815] Okay.

[816] Is that you don't put that kind of pressure because you never have like a flexation of the neck while you're strengthening.

[817] Okay.

[818] But definitely, like, for example, when I, let's see, you buy the neck where I put the neck flex on my head.

[819] Like when I do this, I feel like, oh, my trap working.

[820] So I feel it's like any muscle, like bicep, build up muscle, and frontal will be neck raises.

[821] Are you doing trap work as well?

[822] Do you do shrugs and things like that?

[823] I'm not the biggest guy, you know, but I feel like a strong neck, a strong back, everything is crucial.

[824] And again, for people at home, when you do a headbutt, why I sit train your fucking neck, right?

[825] It's not because I'm going to do a whip with my head.

[826] That's actually when it's detrimental for your spine.

[827] When I do a headbutt, if you look at all my videos and headbutts, it's like my spine is rock solid and you use your legs.

[828] So your head is stable, your neck is stable, but it's strong, but then you push with your legs to create a good headbut.

[829] Yeah, you're developing real power with that headbutt.

[830] It's not just like a thump, like a thoughtless sort of a thumb.

[831] No, you're doing it like a technique.

[832] Yeah.

[833] And then you would actually people say, oh, and we can talk about this.

[834] But if you do headbutts, you know, it's going to be brain damage.

[835] Well, first of all, any martial art, any contact sport, there's a risk.

[836] We're not playing soccer here, right?

[837] And even if you are, soccer players get brain damage.

[838] With the ball From heading the ball Yeah for sure So I mean Let's do what we Life is short We don't know What's going to happen after So let's do what we love I love doing headbutts So you know So basically When I feel like If you hit with a hard part of your skull With like the horseshoe You know I feel like you're inflicting Maximum damage to your opponent But not to myself There's a great video of a girl Like a girl who's This fucking guy Is in her face Talking shit Outside of a bar And she grabs his collars she grabs his uh his collars and fucking slams her head into him and he goes out it's the best it's hilarious though it's hilarious because this guy's way bigger than her he's just being a dick and she's like oh yeah okay if i have a daughter one day if i have you know i want to teach your headbut and kick into grant it's not they know you don't want to physiologically move here it is here it is watch it this is a fucking hilarious video so this guy is like oh you see there they're they're in the middle of like this thing, let's see when does it actually happen.

[839] The guy is like pushing her and backing her up boom, look at that.

[840] Out cold bitch.

[841] Oh, that's a good one.

[842] She's like, fuck you.

[843] She got him and she's pushing her.

[844] Yeah, she's tiny, way small than him.

[845] I mean, I don't know what was being said, but he was pushing her and pushing her back.

[846] She's like, you're out, bitch.

[847] Love it.

[848] Boom.

[849] So girls learn out of their headbutt that's good self -defense.

[850] Probably wakes up in the middle of night when she has to pee and thinks about that.

[851] It's like, yeah, I got that motherfucker.

[852] I got it.

[853] Boom.

[854] She used her legs to do it.

[855] That girl, she did it well.

[856] Somebody taught her, or she just has good instincts.

[857] WLC get her a Lettwe contract.

[858] Do they have women that fight Lethlin?

[859] Yes, sir.

[860] One night she was, maybe you've heard it, but she was on the ultimate fighter.

[861] Shouad, Julia, she's a Lithuanian, and she went pretty far, I think, but she, from Lithuania, she won in Japan.

[862] Latu is getting pretty big in Japan.

[863] Really?

[864] Yeah.

[865] There's a, like, a Lithuan, Japan.

[866] I fought there three times.

[867] Times in Tokyo.

[868] No kidding.

[869] Latuays, yeah.

[870] Well, I know that the awareness of it is growing.

[871] Like, what is, is the Internet?

[872] Is that what's making people more aware of it?

[873] Some people say the Internet.

[874] Some people say, it's Dave, I don't know.

[875] Maybe you.

[876] Well, it's you too, I'm sure.

[877] You know, that there's like a face that speaks English that, you know, is the head guy.

[878] You couldn't have, like, two men speak in English, right?

[879] Right, right.

[880] It's hard to get excited about it.

[881] Sometimes that's all it takes is like someone who crosses over who becomes the best at it from another country, and then you can speak English clearly.

[882] And so that makes.

[883] Well, you obviously have an accent, but it's clear.

[884] You know, I actually learned English while watching Fear Factor.

[885] No, you didn't.

[886] I was watching it in Quebec.

[887] Maybe, but that's not how you learned English.

[888] That's why I swear so much.

[889] I'm joking.

[890] I never swore in Fear Factor.

[891] It doesn't even make any sense.

[892] How many fights have you had over there?

[893] I'm over 10.

[894] It's like I choose right now.

[895] At first, my first couple years, I was doing like six fights, like four or five fights, and I was getting like super nice.

[896] Not depressed, but like it was very redundant.

[897] You know, it's like every two months, same technique, same path session, same thing, same running, same heels.

[898] It was like, and I had like, whoa, and I was like getting injured everywhere.

[899] Like my elbows were hurt.

[900] My knuckles were swollen.

[901] So I'm like, I called my wife.

[902] I called her after training.

[903] I was like, can we just take a break?

[904] And I, and now I negotiated like a very good contract with the WLC and they take care of me. So I'm able to take, you know, one or two fights a year.

[905] Oh, that's great.

[906] So how many fights have you had?

[907] total uh i would say i would have to check i think wikipedia has it like maybe a 12 or 11 something like but then yeah yeah yeah so last this year i only fight once and so you're you're it's better you think yeah to do it that way i'm still like it's like a dog on a leash with a you put that i'm hungry to go fight right and i actually have a they fight like once every two months they fight very a lot right the bremese and um i feel like one guy actually fights four times this month like a young young burmese fighter he fights four times i'm like wow but i feel like i have a unwillingly I'm happy with it but like an ambassador right so I have not only for the sport for the country too right so I have to do a lot of other works so right now I'm working on my online academy so people can learn let's wave via videos I need to film like a lot of videos and you are really famous in Myanmar right like someone told me that you're wedding 30 million people watched your wedding on television there more than that I think but yeah that's fucking insane it was so the story that's like look so now we go back to the story when we when I when I when I when I went over after a prison fight i went to miyamar then after after uh we didn't even talk about the prison fight we kind of skipped over it i mean i i won like uh so it's no man i think the more important is the let'sway part so then i i just i will talk about it because that was my connection to the promoter oh okay then the promoter gets me into lettu and then i i uh i like beat up two two and then i get right away challenged by two men the open weight so like the the best in the country when you open weight champ you're the best in the world in lettuay right the biggest and the strongest.

[908] So he's a third, fourth, five generation, Lithuanian.

[909] His grandfather was a Lithuanian fighters.

[910] And they were all golden belts winners, right?

[911] So he's born in the, like, if you look where he lives, it's raw, man. It's the hut.

[912] It's in the jungle.

[913] And he's raised in the head of culture.

[914] Like, you know, he's an animal.

[915] He's a head hunter.

[916] He just goes for the head and he has a good right hand.

[917] So I'm like, and I knew right away after that fight with Tutu, he was fighting that night, too.

[918] So I go shake it hand.

[919] He doesn't know yes and no. English that's how bad he is and I say good fight he's like you just give me a head knock and I knew that we're going to meet so we meet and yeah and then where was I going with this basically what was your question Joe you said no no just got to just keep going so you meet him with the first fight just that's I think it's important to talk about this because I was only my second let we fight ever right and I'm fighting the best two legends in a row yeah exactly yeah so I'm like they want again they like oh two two didn't get him so let's get to two men to fuck him up right right so I I go back, I was a tiger at the time, and that was, you know, we'll go back to this later, but they were laughing at me because I was doing headbutts on the bags.

[920] And they were, it was all a big show every time I was doing headbutts, right?

[921] Like, oh, look at Dave doing this.

[922] I had to teach this guy with 300, my coach at the time, my pad holder at the time, I had to teach him out to hold pads for headbutts.

[923] And that's the way I developed a bit, the way to do, you know, jab cross hook, headbutt elbow, stuff like that.

[924] So then they were laughing, okay, cool, I don't care.

[925] I'm winning fights.

[926] I go there and first fight, that's the hard part, man. Like I, the first round, the first couple of rounds, the three rounds, I tip, I push kick his stomach and he grabs it and he sweeps my leg many times.

[927] So I actually sectioned the back of my leg.

[928] Like it was, I had to do physio, like my nerves.

[929] I think in the back of my right leg was like, sectioned or maybe not sectioned, but like severely damaged.

[930] Okay.

[931] So, yeah, section would be pretty bad.

[932] So.

[933] What would it mean by section?

[934] Does that mean like tear?

[935] Like tear the...

[936] Yeah, it was like damage.

[937] Is that from kicking the back of your leg?

[938] Because he did it many times in the same spot, right, on the back of my knee.

[939] Okay.

[940] Which there's a lot of nerves.

[941] So he's catching your teep kick and then kicking your other leg?

[942] Yes.

[943] Okay.

[944] So then many times and I don't...

[945] So it's tearing.

[946] Yeah.

[947] Yeah.

[948] And I don't really, I'm like, what the fuck?

[949] Like, because I want to go inside.

[950] I want to do my elbows and I can't because I...

[951] And so then adaptation, I think, is key in life as well, right?

[952] You need to adapt.

[953] And so again, this guy is separate.

[954] 70 fights, you know, I think he had, like, all by chaos, he's just smashing everyone.

[955] And then I started adapting.

[956] I went to the leg instead, the push kick to the leg instead of the stomach.

[957] And that, he couldn't catch it anymore.

[958] And then it was, it was making buckle up.

[959] So that was a big thing in my...

[960] So you're hitting him above the thigh, hyper extending the knee.

[961] And he can't get in.

[962] So he's a bull.

[963] They call him the bull.

[964] So he goes inside.

[965] He can't go inside if I'm pushing his leg too much.

[966] Right.

[967] So he's harming a hard time.

[968] he's gassing out a little bit because he usually knocks him out in the first round he goes far right so then i'm like i kind of i knocked him out a couple times like knocked him down a couple times at the end of the fight so it was a real draw right it was a real draw so we ended up the first fight as a draw but then right away automatic rematch we fight you again how long two months two months but then it was a it was a it was a added sweetener that was again i'm i'm very emotional today I have goosebumps.

[969] Because it changed my life, Joe.

[970] Basically, it was, if you win this fight, it's going to be December, 2011, 2016.

[971] If you win this fight, we're going to pay for your wedding.

[972] And it's for the golden belt.

[973] So the other one was only a challenge fight, you know.

[974] But when the, like, this was actually for, like, you can, it's for the title fight.

[975] So I got two draws and now it's like title fight.

[976] So I'm like, let's go.

[977] I train and I train hard.

[978] And yeah, we meet up.

[979] again and now i i because i i propose the arena uh after the other fight uh and began by way if you have a chance to go there beautiful 10 000 temples unESCO protected temples and uh you go to at 5 a m 4 a m and you see the sunrise on those like temples and like there's hot air balloon it's beautiful so i i propose to arena in russian i learned my i learned my script in russian and uh she says yes uh i don't know how tricked her to to to love me but so we go there but then it makes the news in Myanmar, right?

[980] So, oh, Dave got engaged in Bagan.

[981] So then the promoter calls me, so, hey, you got that fight in December?

[982] If you win, you want to get married in Myanmar?

[983] I said, yeah.

[984] So he's going to be a Myanmar traditional wedding.

[985] So full gold with like, like, I'll show you pictures.

[986] That's pretty cool.

[987] But it's going to be like we're going to make an event out of this.

[988] So obviously, it's not stupid.

[989] The guy he pays 20 grand, but he's going to make an, he's going to put it on television.

[990] Yeah, a bit like what they did with, you know, they helped Connor or whatever.

[991] Like they want to build a, build a, build a, fire you know sure sure so uh it's live on tv and it's a BBC freaking everything wow so uh i had a lot of pressure i had to win i don't want my wife to because the wedding was going to happen regardless right like but this could be a better wedding yeah i don't want to oh yeah that's not the most glamorous one maybe there's another one pretty cool man this one or yeah or wow yeah pretty cool so you have irina te de hova and uh david lezic in burmese language wow that was pictures from bbc yeah look at my hat maybe uh james you can go on the left and maybe you can see the hat this one yeah look at have like a hat it's pretty cool what is that a hat called I don't know the name but when you see my my my skirt it's called a lungi so this this is everybody in Myanmar has that it's also in India in India they call that the longi in Myanmar they call it the lungi most comfortable thing in the world you wear that it's like a kilt I have one for you have one for me It's directly from EMR It fits in that little tiny bag?

[992] Yeah, yeah So you're gonna Look, it's like a long thing This is directly from Burma And basically, yeah So it's like a kilt?

[993] It's like a kilt, no, a kilt would be knee up Right, and this is lower?

[994] This one is all the way down Oh, all the way down the ground And have a story for that Okay So this actually, like I don't give you expensive gifts That's a dollar by the way A dollar, nice, sweet So I don't know Do these guys wear underwear under this?

[995] So they free ball.

[996] Yeah.

[997] They commando.

[998] Now they wear on the wear.

[999] Okay.

[1000] But then the story with this, and we'll go back to the fight guys, it's just that people wear that, very comfortable.

[1001] But then when the, when like war happens, you put it up and it looks like almost like a diaper, right?

[1002] And you can kick, because this you can't kick with this.

[1003] Oh, I see.

[1004] And you put it up.

[1005] And then it show off your leg tats because they have a big tradition of leg tattoos.

[1006] Oh, okay.

[1007] That's where you get all your tattoos and your legs?

[1008] Yeah.

[1009] Is it come from being over there?

[1010] Yeah.

[1011] Okay.

[1012] Yeah, so I waited before having them because I wanted to make sure I deserve them.

[1013] Ah, interesting, okay, cool.

[1014] And basically, so I like that because when you don't know who's a fighter, unless you see it at your face, but then let's say the war was happening, boom, everybody gets their lungy up and they're ready for battle.

[1015] And you see, oh, he's a fighter, oh, he's a fighter, oh, he's a fighter, right?

[1016] Because the legs are tied up.

[1017] Got it.

[1018] Back in the days, everybody had, every fighter that was fighting in the two, it had the toquin, it's called.

[1019] Okay, so, back to the fight.

[1020] Yes.

[1021] So, because we're doing a big 101 about Myanmar right now, everything.

[1022] It's so many things to talk about.

[1023] So the fight, and then I started, I actually had a Canadian TV following me for that fight, and he usually told me that they, usually when we follow somebody, the guy never wins.

[1024] But I was, like, pretty happy.

[1025] So I ended up get him like a takedown.

[1026] I'm bloody, I get him with an elbow in the face.

[1027] His head is like open up, a pretty big gap in the head.

[1028] He's bleeding.

[1029] and then I get a takedown, but I'm using a lot of my teeth this time.

[1030] And, like, he bucksle them up, and I think the leg is, their legs are not going too well.

[1031] And then I do a takedown, and he, like, he falls on his leg, and then he has to use his timeout.

[1032] So, they bring him back, and he looks in pain.

[1033] And I tell my corner, and I'm a bit, like, I'm bleeding because he got me to cut, too.

[1034] That's also pretty rare, but I'm, and then I'm here, I say, which leg is it?

[1035] Which leg is it?

[1036] And my corner, at times, like, it's the right leg.

[1037] So I'm like, okay.

[1038] So I'm like, and then the two minutes ends up.

[1039] He goes back.

[1040] He's like, he looks limping a little bit.

[1041] So I'm like, I'm attacking the right leg.

[1042] So I try to hit it, but he's, and then I do another take down and he's bleeding more.

[1043] Then not long after that, it was over.

[1044] He was able to get up.

[1045] All right.

[1046] So, and actually when he fell down, it is a beautiful, it was a pretty intense moment.

[1047] He fells down and right in front of the Canadian TV crew.

[1048] and the blood like leaks on the floor and it's pretty intense like pretty cool because I'm excited about this because like there's not a lot of good quality videos about Lettwey you know what I'm right right so we got available online can Jamie pull that up I mean if you if you go to my like I don't know YouTube or something you could probably see the thing while we're talking but so this makes you the golden belt champion this is a giant moment for you and this also spreads the word about Lettwe in Canada Well, not automatically, right?

[1049] Because it happens in Myanmar.

[1050] Right.

[1051] So, and then, but then in Myanmar, it's just becoming like crazy people.

[1052] And we get married live on TV two days after the fight.

[1053] So it's like literally there.

[1054] Now, they don't resent you for beating up their champion now?

[1055] Well, okay, a little bit.

[1056] Because he's representing the entire Muslim community in Myanmar.

[1057] And I'm basically without even, because I don't adhere to anything.

[1058] But like, basically, I'm representing.

[1059] all like the 95 percenters which is like christian buddhist and like everybody else basically so yeah uh yeah they they they they were so happy they were pretty excited because i think they they knew that what was going to happen like we're going to promote their culture abroad you know yeah yeah yeah so they're just happy people are promoting the sport yeah yeah yeah is it hard to find jami yeah if you maybe google like new champion i don't know but it's uh it's uh it's uh so that was a big moment.

[1060] Now when you look at the level of fighters from Letwei versus Muay Thai, obviously there's more more Muay Thai fighters.

[1061] There's more fighters yeah.

[1062] What is the level like?

[1063] Well obviously the guys are fucking like everybody like Russians prior to coming they were coming and fighting and Tutuin was stopping them all the time if you look at if you look at all the fights they're smashing everyone bare knuckle because people are not used to for that.

[1064] Is this it right here?

[1065] That's not another one but yeah if you go on it's that's that's uh one of the that's another fight i fought a tie guy what happened jim i took it off i took it i was fine this there's another one more important but uh yeah the guys are like uh they what i was going to get out of you seen the level rise with all these new fighters getting into the game well as like for example that was like uh you know the lumpini champion came to miamr and all like sayok i don't know you know mutai like sayok you know this guy i've heard the name yeah so he's like a He's a Lumpini champion?

[1066] I think he's former champion everywhere.

[1067] Yeah, so he went to Myanmar many times to fight, and he drawed with Tuntunmin and all these.

[1068] So he's considered one of the best multi -fighter ever, right?

[1069] What is the difference, like, when Thai fighters come over there?

[1070] What gets in their way?

[1071] Well, that's the thing.

[1072] They're very technical, and that brings me up to something else, but basically, they're very technical, and they do very well for the first couple rounds, but then when the pain threshold starts to kick in, when they start to clinch and then they get ahead, but they're like, whoa, what's happening?

[1073] here, right?

[1074] And that's good that you ask me this.

[1075] If you look at Myanmar and then Thailand, two neighboring countries, they were fighting for thousands of years old.

[1076] And if you look at back in the days, the Tongtu Empire, I think, I don't know the exact date, but at that time, the Burmese Empire was like all of Southeast Asia, the biggest empire in Saudi East Asia.

[1077] So they were owning all of Thailand almost, like Chiang Mai, all these things, like, you know, I'm not sure, Vietnam and Laos, all these things.

[1078] So it was very, very powerful.

[1079] So that's why they say that Lithuay is the ancestor of all the Muay, Muilau, Muay, because it makes sense.

[1080] While they were owning all these colonies, right, they were dropping their seeds of their martial arts.

[1081] So then as they retreat, eventually they pushed them away and it became, you know, Burma as we go.

[1082] We have, and now they're starting a thing called Moir Baran.

[1083] Yeah.

[1084] In Thailand.

[1085] So then, but then it's very suspicious like, how come you have that sport now with no gloves and headbutts?

[1086] Moir Baran is that.

[1087] Yeah.

[1088] And, you know, but you were colonized for a long time by Lithu, by Myanmar.

[1089] right so then uh so it's basically their version of it yeah and they added big ropes instead of doing bare knuckle let's way it was only a bit of gauze they added big ropes right so then at but at one point the king of thailand did a great thing to to attract tourism which removed the headbut and adding a scoring system and uh added gloves eight ounce glove and a beautiful intricates and it becomes beautiful umutai as we know very very you know technical very nice but then and then what happened is that if i let's see your your muita guys hey You have big ounce, eight ounce love, and you, by the way, if you punch, you don't score a lot of points, you know?

[1090] It's elbows and knees and kicks that score points.

[1091] So what's going to happen over hundreds of years, the guys are going to practice their kicks.

[1092] And I think the Thai guys are the strongest kickers in the world, I believe.

[1093] And yeah, so then if you go, but you grow across in me, I was like, hey, by the way, guys, no gloves, no scoring system.

[1094] And if you, if you, it's K only to win, they swing for the freaking fence, right?

[1095] So that's the two different type of So you have way less kicks in Latwe Because you're viralized You prefer like, you know, no gloves Because you can draw blood right away with a punch Makes sense So yeah, it's just a history course Have you thought about fighting more Maitai Or maybe even fighting MMA or do you Yeah Yeah but not moitai though Not moitai though I don't want to do it again How come?

[1096] Well I represent Latwee Yeah so you enjoy it more Yeah it's freeing You know like you can do headbutts There's no glove I don't want to put on, like, I would consider maybe I have offers, but one championship and Bella Tour.

[1097] I was actually with Kung Day today in San Jose, Kung Lee, for those who don't know, he's a legend of martial arts, Sanda, a specialist, and he actually calls Scott Cooker in front of me. He's like, oh, get him a fight.

[1098] Like I said, well, give me a couple years.

[1099] I have a lot of things to do that I want to be happy with my literary career, you know, more things to do, but it's a possibility.

[1100] And how old are you now?

[1101] 27.

[1102] 27.

[1103] So you're still young.

[1104] I mean, you could make that transition into MMA if you wanted to.

[1105] We can go to this, actually.

[1106] I actually fought MMA two times.

[1107] Yeah.

[1108] I was, I was, so I'm a stupid one when I was younger.

[1109] So in that transition before going to prison fight, it's a after prison fight, but like in that transition, like I had a year or two before raising enough money to go back.

[1110] And like I said, my first love was grappling, right?

[1111] So I was doing, I did some fight nights, amateur MMA.

[1112] And I was, I won my first MMA fight by Gietti.

[1113] and then I went here again another guillotine so they gave me like the octopus I'm a choking guy and then third fight was against GSP's prodigy like a Japanese guy so I went by decision so I was undefeated in MMA and amateur but then I go back from Thailand I'm super excited I'm doing my striking and I did some stupid decision like nobody wanted to fight Murnier is a good fighter he's a good fighter and he's in UFC now what's his name Jonathan Munier, he fought Colby, Colvin, not long ago.

[1114] And so nobody wanted to fight him.

[1115] And, you know, he was like, you know, it's going to be a striking fight.

[1116] Because people were saying he was a great striker, so I'll say, let's go.

[1117] I'm the best striker, so let's do something.

[1118] So nobody was accepting the fight.

[1119] So I accepted a fight, but I think it was a bit early from my pre -review.

[1120] He was already on the Raider for UFC, right?

[1121] So I took the fight at 170, but I was 170.

[1122] So he was a big boy.

[1123] I think he dropped down to, like, from 190.

[1124] And, but then on the feet, I'm like, I'm winning.

[1125] I'm doing some good spinning, spitting punches and everything.

[1126] But then Firas is in his corner and he's like, down, bring him down.

[1127] So I'm just stupid.

[1128] I went on the floor.

[1129] And for me, I treated it as a BJJ competition.

[1130] So when I'm on the floor, I'm on the floor.

[1131] You know, I wasn't very developed yet.

[1132] I didn't have the ring experience yet.

[1133] And again, it was the better fighter that night for sure.

[1134] I almost had the arm bar, actually, and I let it go.

[1135] The referee, I virtually stopped the fight because of elbow.

[1136] in the clinch in the in the in the in the guard but uh i yeah i was a bit disappointed for this and uh so it was just a bad you know initially in early in my career now i'm a complete different fighter i fought you know in front of thousands of people i've i've have uh so again he's a great fighter but i know that it would it would be a different thing nowadays it's crazy that you you became this lettwee champion without really training lettwe like you didn't really go to a traditional lettwee gym or learn it from them you basically had your own Everything together.

[1137] Yeah, I think so.

[1138] I think it's, like I said, a pattern martial art in my, in Canada.

[1139] We do a lot of like, you know, Sanda and a lot of Sancho.

[1140] And my coach, Sifu Pat, is, he did like two pro fights, but he's a great coach.

[1141] He's a very great coach.

[1142] And he just built me up for it.

[1143] Because in Jekundo, he's a Sifu, right?

[1144] So in Jekindu, there's a lot of, of, in the pocket, there's a lot of headbutts, actually, stuff.

[1145] Everything goes, you know, everything goes, yeah.

[1146] So, yeah, I guess.

[1147] that's why I kind of did everything What do you want to do as far as your career?

[1148] Do you want to establish some sort of dominance in Lettwey before you leave and go do something else?

[1149] Well, to be honest, the only reason why I would consider go back to the MMA would be because I have ego and I think all fighters have ego and I want to avenge my loss and stuff like that.

[1150] But honestly, I'm super happy with doing this my goal was to be champion.

[1151] Now I've done it, so I don't need 25 bells to be happy.

[1152] you know right so but now you do how long do you're doing this yeah like you just mean basically you're the beacon right now and a lot of people are going drawn to you because you become the most really the most worldwide famous left way fighter ever and because of that you're going to get these guys that come like the set bazinskies and guys who have fought other organizations and come to you is that what you would like to do just just be that guy and have everybody come to you and challenge you yeah until like i'm i'm i don't have that that hungriness anymore if i It would be nice if there was broadcast of this.

[1153] That's on UFC Fight Pass now.

[1154] Is it really?

[1155] My last fight was said it was on UFC Fight Pass.

[1156] No shit.

[1157] Yes, sir.

[1158] Dude, UFC Pipass has everything, huh?

[1159] I know.

[1160] That's amazing.

[1161] From Burma, they transmitted it from being one.

[1162] Wow, that's incredible.

[1163] Who's doing the commentary?

[1164] Is that Robin Black?

[1165] All right, my man Robin.

[1166] He was good.

[1167] It was epic with this one.

[1168] He's excellent.

[1169] He's excellent.

[1170] So actually, next one, hopefully you can make it.

[1171] It would be in either Wyoming or Florida.

[1172] When is it going to be?

[1173] June.

[1174] 100 % in June we don't know which state though okay so it's plenty of time between now and then do you know who you be fighting no no no idea so yeah that's the thing so if it's going to be they're probably going to try to do it on pay -per -view or something right is it does it have anything to do with the bare -knuckle fighting guys no they have anything to do with it different it's going to be a UFC fight pass I believe and then people can watch it live there it's going to be pretty exciting to like it's the first historic debut of lettuay yeah 2 ,000 years old of sport in the US I'm so excited that is very exciting yeah it's it's very you know it's Like, there's different styles of MMA, or rather of martial arts, that enter into MMA and become effective.

[1175] Letway, the only thing that's missing is the headbutts from MMA.

[1176] You know, you have this one element of your game that you wouldn't really be able to apply.

[1177] You know what?

[1178] I was joking the other day, a long time.

[1179] Before I received these serious offers from other MMMA promotion, I was like, if I go one day, I'm just going to headbut the guy and get disqualified, and then it's going to go viral.

[1180] It's going to help that.

[1181] That's before I. Well, I think one.

[1182] F .C. would probably allow headbutts for a fight.

[1183] Oh, by the way, one FC is actually partnered up with WLC.

[1184] So they're very friend with the CEO.

[1185] Yeah, that's the thing.

[1186] That makes sense.

[1187] Well, it makes sense because they allow soccer kicks on the ground, even inside a cage.

[1188] But they actually had a Lettwey, not an exhibition fight, but Lettwey Super Fight, inside of one of their shows in one championship.

[1189] Oh, really?

[1190] In Myanmar.

[1191] Oh, that makes sense.

[1192] So just to showcase the culture.

[1193] Sure, sure.

[1194] I just see I feel like if someone like you fought over there I mean they have such open rules I mean they have Moitai fights with MMA gloves they have regular kickboxing they have regular moitai but they message me for that they wanted me to fight Muay I don't want to fight Muay Thai I said I want to fight Latuia well if you want to fight Latuay go to WLC and that's when we started getting along well they're doing grappling competitions in one FC as well they seem to be open to almost any martial yeah yeah for sure and also e -sports now like that's the future What?

[1195] He's a good...

[1196] Shatry, he's a good fight.

[1197] They're doing esports?

[1198] Yeah, he's a lot of won e -sports.

[1199] No. He's ahead of the wave, yeah, because it's going to be the future.

[1200] Wow.

[1201] What games?

[1202] I don't know.

[1203] Fighting games like street -fighting games?

[1204] Oh, my God.

[1205] That would be hilarious?

[1206] If it became huge, would they have the UFC and one -fc?

[1207] Fighting Shaday.

[1208] The UFC.

[1209] No, but I mean, if they had the UFC video game, if they were playing the UFC video game on this sport in one FC, that would be hilarious.

[1210] They really would.

[1211] Yeah.

[1212] Oh my God, look at that That's e -sport?

[1213] Yes Oh shit, okay One championship launches Asia's biggest e -sport world championship Wow Shatree is just A visionary for this Yeah Look at the size of that fucking arena That nothing shocks me more Than the massive popularity Of e -sports In terms of as a spectator sport Not in terms of people playing it I get that Look at a total price Like $500 ,000 and like For e -sports No no go to the other side Go to the other side Jamie Let me see that picture look at that oh my god look at that that's a game fucking crazy world of warcraft i don't know is that what it is yeah yeah yeah i don't know it too is what it's called what is doda i don't know it's it's a game i don't play it's a we don't even know the game and they win half a million dollars for this they're like 14 years old 15 years old these guys yeah i mean there's real money in video games now where before where parents would say you're wasting your time go play golf you can make money you can make money playing video games you play games i do but i get addicted to yeah i have real problems like like a day non -stop oh yeah fucking giant problems we set up a lambie's laughing why you're laughing it's true he knows yeah i just want to see how much he gets in to tell you but yeah i'm serious with it i have a real problem are you an extremist like if you do something you do it like yeah i got real problems man it's effective like look if i want to get good at something my brain it's good because my obsessiveness allows me to really concentrate on excellence okay but the problem is like there's no benefit for me getting really good at Quake Championship you know that's the game we're playing right was it Quake champions Quake champions yeah that's what we're playing we got a land room set up back there and we play it dude I heard about twitch sweaty hand yeah fuck Twitch we're out there playing but I'm just we're just playing against each other okay for fun yeah man but it's not fun the problem is I mean it is the game what is the game is it's a first person shooter no you've rocket launchers and rail guns it's definitely fun Don't get me wrong.

[1214] But what's not fun is the amount of time that it takes and how crazy I get.

[1215] Or in the middle of the night, I'm thinking about playing it.

[1216] Like, it'll be 3 o 'clock in the morning.

[1217] I've come down here.

[1218] Like, I had to do something I've worked out.

[1219] I can't, like, I'll leave my house.

[1220] I'll come down here to work out.

[1221] I'll work out at the gym and say, fuck it, let me jump online.

[1222] Get out.

[1223] Next you know, I'm here for four hours.

[1224] Just playing quake.

[1225] Yeah.

[1226] Jamie knows.

[1227] He's seen it.

[1228] Is it like a real, is it monsters or real people?

[1229] Well, it's, you know, robots and people with like, you know, cyborgs and shit with crazy outfits on but that's the point is it's a first person shooter so you're in this 3D environment and it's a mouse and a keyboard and you're running down these hallways and there's a lot of strategy involved a lot of fast twitch movements and aim but it's very very addictive and it's graphically very intense beautiful it's crazy how little boys we are depending it doesn't matter right yes what's up the uh one of the companies that makes one of the really big e -sports games just announced that they're working on their first first person shoot i think it's their first first person shooter.

[1230] They did announce a title that just sort of showed a couple of things they're working on.

[1231] It's going to, not that you're going to get back into it, but it could get you back into it.

[1232] We have it right there, man. I can't do it.

[1233] I had a quick cold turkey.

[1234] How many months were we going out of every day?

[1235] Solid three, four.

[1236] Every day, man. Hours and hours every day.

[1237] Jamie, like, laughed.

[1238] He's like, you guys put in more time.

[1239] Me and Jeff, who works here, we're playing so much.

[1240] We put in more time in like, how was there?

[1241] Yeah, like, And like three or, I had the game on my computer at home for about a year playing it just off and on here and there.

[1242] Probably put in like 30 or 40 hours over time playing.

[1243] They passed me in like three weeks.

[1244] Joe, you have a problem.

[1245] I'm telling you, I got a problem.

[1246] But I had a problem like that with everything, with Jiu -Jitsu, with Taekwondo, with Muay Thai, everything that I get into.

[1247] I get into too much.

[1248] It's a good trait, but as long as you can handle it.

[1249] You got to know how to handle it.

[1250] Like for me, it's like I got to know when to cut things off.

[1251] like stop stop stop stop stop so for me with the video games it's like no cut it out because it was just eating i don't have any time man and i have kids i have family and i have three jobs i just don't i don't have a time for these fucking video games but i like them too much no i feel like now i got that my phone on the airplane because we took like literally like 20 airplanes just like this last couple weeks oh you play games on your phone yeah like castle defense i just like i don't have any games on my phone except my kids play games on my phone sometimes i don't have any fucking what are you doing an airplane you just sleep i read okay i read or i write i write you know comedy material and stuff i'll write things about i'll watch a movie maybe but i don't play any games i just i don't i just don't trust myself okay okay it's just get too addicted yeah you should fucking play it with us sometimes oh my god if we had more time today yeah man i'm telling you it's super addictive i think obsession is key for any success yeah and i think every successful people is eccentric a little bit yes i'm fucking weird of course yeah we're both crazy i think it's important I think you have to be crazy to dedicate massive amounts of time to something and be obsessed.

[1252] To acquire excellence in anything, I believe it requires a real, genuine obsession, where that becomes a primary focus of your life.

[1253] But when you have a finite amount of time like I do, because I already have a career, I have things that I must do, and I don't want to slack off and become a bad podcaster and become a bad comedian and fall apart in the other things that I'm focusing on because I'm focusing on a game.

[1254] That's true.

[1255] Just can't.

[1256] Imagine, yeah, I know.

[1257] It doesn't help me. See, Jiu -Jitsu helps me. Like when I train, I feel more calm.

[1258] I get better perspective.

[1259] I feel like there's something that I gain.

[1260] And also, you can only do it a certain amount of hours a day.

[1261] You can't do Jiu -Jitsu six hours in a row.

[1262] You can't, but you can play video games 10 hours in a row, 12 hours in a row.

[1263] You just keep going.

[1264] You hear this guy was like playing video games?

[1265] and they die People die They die They have fucking heart attacks And die It's very intense Like sometimes we leave And I don't even feel good Like we leave And I feel all fucked up And you're sad You're unhappy about yourself You're like why did I do this You wasted a lot of time And also like your system Is so taxed Because it's so intense You know And we're talking mad shit to each other It's a lot of fun What's up Did you see that Just made me think of this There An article about The amount of calories that chess masters burned?

[1266] Yes, I saw that.

[1267] I was just thinking about the same thing, like 7 ,000 in a tournament or something insane.

[1268] They lose incredible amounts of weight during these tournaments and they're, well, they're just realizing now that this is a calorie thing, that your brain, when you're under intense focus, your brain burns off a shitload of calories.

[1269] So that's why I lose a lot of calories, I think.

[1270] Yes, Mark, aren't, right?

[1271] Thank you.

[1272] Yeah, but I really think that that's the same thing with video games as well.

[1273] I mean, I get out of here, man. I'm fucking exhausted sometimes When we were in those rambling places.

[1274] You should go into that esport thing.

[1275] Fuck that.

[1276] There's not enough lives to live, you know.

[1277] That's why I don't understand when people say they're bored.

[1278] I'm like, how can you be bored?

[1279] There's so many things to do.

[1280] True.

[1281] You know, there's so many things you can get obsessed with.

[1282] Yeah.

[1283] You know?

[1284] What's your opinion?

[1285] I wanted to pick your brain on that because I'm, me and my wife, we have a pact, okay?

[1286] And people are going to think we're crazy, but I don't give a shit.

[1287] We have, since we met in 2016 in Thailand, we never, had a night apart.

[1288] Whoa, I know, I know.

[1289] No nights apart at all?

[1290] And I loved it because I said, I don't know, we have only one life, and I love her to that.

[1291] She's my life partner.

[1292] She's my, you know, she always believed in me. I think she's the reason why I became champion because prior to meeting her, I was just no ambition, no nothing, you know?

[1293] I mean, and then my point is, is that the reason behind that is that I want to, you need more coffee, eh?

[1294] No. I need to, I want to spend as much time as I can because you don't know if there's something after.

[1295] so what do you think I think you should be happy and if you're happy doing that that's great I mean not about that I'm super happy with that that's my goal in life is to like to have as much as much time as I can with her but I mean do you think because it's so hard it's helping no no not this about the afterlife like I'm like for for science I think it leads to that we're going to just cease existing Yeah, but that's not science, honestly.

[1296] Okay.

[1297] Well, science is the study of how the brain works and the study of where, you know, where the memory is located and what parts of the brain are affected by injury and studies on fMRI where they're measuring areas of the brain that are active during specific activities.

[1298] That's real science.

[1299] There's no real science about what happens when you die.

[1300] It's pure speculation.

[1301] I mean, like, our physical body, I'm saying we're going to just like, it's going to die, right?

[1302] And then my point is, I know there's absolutely no science about that, but my point is I'm doing speculations that if we do stop existing, we do stop living and breeding, what's our essence?

[1303] Where is it going, right?

[1304] Is there an energy?

[1305] There's a spirit.

[1306] It's so hard to say.

[1307] Well, no one can really say.

[1308] It's pure speculation.

[1309] And I'm always skeptical of people that think they know for sure nothing happens.

[1310] As much as I'm skeptical of people that think for sure they know what happens.

[1311] It's just comforting for some.

[1312] people to have an answer, whether it's the lights go out, and that's it.

[1313] I mean, that's Richard Dawkins' perspective.

[1314] Oh, yeah, is it?

[1315] Yeah, but other people's perspective, but he's never done psychedelics.

[1316] And it's like, he's got this very reductionist perspective, scientific, based on what we know right now.

[1317] So he's adamant that if you, when you die, you die, yeah, but that's nonsense.

[1318] He doesn't know.

[1319] I mean, you don't know.

[1320] I mean, I understand that he's a man of science and logic and this is how he likes to frame the world.

[1321] But the reality is no one has any idea.

[1322] And most people don't want to adhere to that train of thought because it's very scary.

[1323] Well, it's also, if you've done psychedelic drugs, you know that there's a very strange thing that can happen to your brain and to your consciousness when it interacts with certain molecules.

[1324] What is that?

[1325] Never tried it.

[1326] Well, some people believe that that is a portal to the afterlife and that what happens when you die and during periods of extreme stress, your brain produces psychedelic chemicals.

[1327] We don't know what the soul is.

[1328] But is that a real thing?

[1329] Is it nonsense?

[1330] We don't know.

[1331] Is your consciousness, your consciousness is clearly affected by injury, injury to the brain, and it's clearly affected by age.

[1332] It's clearly affected by deterioration.

[1333] It's clearly affected by some exogenous chemicals.

[1334] Okay.

[1335] But is that you or is that something that your brain is housing?

[1336] I mean, what happens when you die?

[1337] Does that, does it transfer?

[1338] to something else do you does your brain you know house consciousness or does your body house consciousness or is consciousness a part of it and when your brain shuts off there's no activity does the consciousness cease or do you transcend no one knows I think Penn and Teller he has a no what's this what's the big guy's name?

[1339] Penn Pagin yeah I think I like what he said he said we don't know that's the real answer the real answer is we don't know yeah Anybody's saying other thing that that is, I mean, I don't know.

[1340] Maybe they know something we don't know.

[1341] It's interesting.

[1342] It's interesting to think of.

[1343] You know, and there's a lot of people that don't believe that you are the same person every day.

[1344] There's a lot of people that believe that when you go to sleep, that you wake up in the morning and you assume that all of your memories of your life, they're accurate and that you are absolutely the person that you were when you went to bed the day before.

[1345] But you don't even know that.

[1346] Oh, that's a great, oh, I can't ever thought about that.

[1347] You know that you have some memories that you can call upon.

[1348] Unless you record them like you do.

[1349] But even if you record them, like, who the fuck is recording it?

[1350] You sure that's you?

[1351] I mean, are you the same person?

[1352] I mean, there's all these ideas of many worlds, these quantum physicists, like to bring up that there's a bunch of different interactions that are happening simultaneously.

[1353] and that it's so hard to even it's so hard to even to even conceive of the possibility of multiple dimensions and then the possibility of infinite universes that we travel back and forth through all these different things and that based on the decisions that you make based on who the fuck knows all the infinite number of variables that you're life moves in a bunch of different directions.

[1354] You know, the idea of an infinite universe also means there's an infinite number of David Ledoux out there.

[1355] I know.

[1356] That's what's really crazy.

[1357] There's an infinite number of young Jamies.

[1358] There's an infinite number of, you know, fill in the blank.

[1359] Neil deGrasse Tyson's, Mike Tyson, Van der Holyfield, is an infinite number of them.

[1360] And they're all doing different things and all slightly different lives.

[1361] How was it when you did that, when you did the MT?

[1362] I've done it a bunch of times.

[1363] It's very strange.

[1364] I'm scared of that.

[1365] You should be scared.

[1366] Okay.

[1367] I'm scared.

[1368] And what does it look like?

[1369] What does it look like?

[1370] Looks like well it depends on the purity of it.

[1371] When you get it really pure, it's almost like a white looking crystal.

[1372] Sometimes it's a little bit yellowish.

[1373] It's more of a yellowish looking crystal.

[1374] It's yeah and you freebase it.

[1375] That's something that our brain creates.

[1376] Yes, your brain produces it.

[1377] It's one of the reasons why your body can bring it back to baseline so quickly.

[1378] Your body knows what to do with it.

[1379] It has it.

[1380] It's a part of your your whole, you know, chemical system.

[1381] How did you come up?

[1382] Like, how did you read about this?

[1383] How do you come over with this?

[1384] I don't remember how I first heard of it.

[1385] I think I heard of it listening to Terrence McKenna talk about it.

[1386] I think that was the first thing I ever heard of it.

[1387] And when, you know, when I first did it, I couldn't even believe, I couldn't believe that this is a possibility.

[1388] That this is something that exists on earth that so many people don't even know about.

[1389] Did you like you need to lock the doors when you do it like you need to I mean I did it in a you know I did it in my living room with some friends Okay how long does it last about 15 20 minutes?

[1390] Oh it's short it's like a three day thing I'm gonna no no no no okay it feels like it's three days okay it feels like forever and then instant It feels like it just happened and it also feels like forever but it's uh it's very strange it feels like you've been there before when you go there Really yeah it's like you leave the world you leave this space and you go to some incredible dimension that seems more real than this.

[1391] It's very, very intense.

[1392] Do you think it's like something that people should experience?

[1393] I think that's up to people.

[1394] Yeah, good point.

[1395] I know we have to be careful what we say to people, but I understand, but yeah.

[1396] I used to think people need to do it.

[1397] I used to think people need to do everything.

[1398] I think you do whatever you want.

[1399] And also having children, there's a lot of people that say, you should have children.

[1400] I don't know about that, man. I think everybody has a different path.

[1401] I think you can be a complete person without ever having children.

[1402] I don't think that that's necessary.

[1403] For me, it was very educational.

[1404] It helped me a lot.

[1405] I love it.

[1406] I'm very happy to be a father.

[1407] I've learned a lot.

[1408] But I don't think it's necessary.

[1409] I think you can be a complete person without a lot of experiences.

[1410] I think what's more important is, like, what kind of experiences are you having with the people that you're around with and are you being fulfilled?

[1411] Like if you inherently, like inside of you, you always wanted to be a chess master, but you never pursued it.

[1412] You're going to have that regret and that longing for something.

[1413] For you, let way, if you didn't pursue that, if you didn't go after that, if you instead decide to get a job in accounting or something like that, you would have this longing to do something.

[1414] And I think everyone has a different makeup, a different psychological makeup, different personality, different interests.

[1415] And I think there's a lot of people that are interested in things that I have no desire to do.

[1416] and to them it's their whole life and I'm not interested in it at all but I'm not them.

[1417] It's like finding out what it is what it is for you what is it in your life that attracts you.

[1418] I've been very, very, very fortunate and one of the things that I've been very fortunate is I'm, I would say I'm a risk taker but it's more that I don't I don't have any interest in doing safe things in terms of like I don't have any interest in like taking an easy job a safe job I know I'm going to get a paycheck every week that's never interested me that seems like prison I've never been able to do it and I always thought that I was a loser because I couldn't do that because other people could work hard and they can get a good job and they would get a pension security I felt like when I was young there was something wrong with me that I couldn't do that because I grew up in New England and in Boston everybody worked hard there's like a hard blue collar sort of environment where every I couldn't do it man I couldn't do it these guys all showed up for work every day at 7 a .m. I wanted to kill myself.

[1419] Did you do it a little bit?

[1420] Did you try it?

[1421] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1422] I tried.

[1423] I did a lot of construction gigs and a lot of different small jobs.

[1424] But it's the reason, same reason why I left because I felt like it was missing something.

[1425] I wanted to see the world.

[1426] I wanted to leave.

[1427] Yes.

[1428] Well, that's you though.

[1429] But look, now you're fulfilled.

[1430] You're a fulfilled person.

[1431] You're living your life.

[1432] But that's you.

[1433] For other person, that would be torture.

[1434] If you had some guy that really just wants to be a mathematician and someone's like, no, no, no, you're going to go to Myanmar.

[1435] You're going to be a fucking Lettwey champion.

[1436] be like, what?

[1437] I'm not headbutting anybody.

[1438] The fuck you're not, man. You're better.

[1439] Is I going to headbutt you?

[1440] No. You're going to fight in prison.

[1441] I'm not fighting in prison.

[1442] For the record, guys, I wasn't incarcerated by the way.

[1443] You're fighting somebody who was in prison.

[1444] But that, you know, everyone has their own path.

[1445] Some people, like, do you know what Alex Honnold is?

[1446] No. He's the guy who, they made that movie, he's free solo about.

[1447] He's the guy who climbs all these mountains with no ropes.

[1448] Oh, my God.

[1449] My friend did it, and he fell.

[1450] and he got disfigured but now it's healing up but he did it no rope how far he fall look I have to show you the picture it was a bad fall it was a bad it looked like he got bitten by a dog it was like and yeah I guess they look for a rush that's an amazing rush they must get I think so but Alex the way he described it he said it's not really a rush he said it's pretty mellow okay because if every if you get a rush like you're in trouble Yeah, true.

[1451] You know, he's like the whole thing, but it's obviously there's something about that intense challenge that's appealing to him that doesn't attract me at all.

[1452] Not even a little bit.

[1453] I have no fucking desire.

[1454] I don't want to even climb with ropes, but this guy loves it.

[1455] Did you do bungee before?

[1456] Did you try bungee?

[1457] No, never done that either.

[1458] No, fuck that.

[1459] Skydiving, no?

[1460] No, fuck you.

[1461] You do DMT or you don't do skydiving.

[1462] That's just, some people love it, man. I get it.

[1463] Look, my friend Andy, he's a world champion.

[1464] And he holds the world record in wearing one of those wingsuits.

[1465] My friend Andy Stump.

[1466] That was a goal of mine for a while.

[1467] Oh, but he's had a bunch of friends that have died, man. They've had to carry them off the mountain because they fucking hit the ground.

[1468] You know, guys who have jumped and then they hear a crash.

[1469] And then they realize that guy just slammed into a fucking tree.

[1470] This is a really horrible video for a guy slamming into a bridge.

[1471] He was trying to go through a bridge.

[1472] He was trying to make it through the gap of a bridge.

[1473] And he misjudged and he slammed right into the bridge while these people were on it filming.

[1474] it you see him come in and he just misjudges it and bam he hits the bridge it's horrific man if he has a strong neck he's fine ah see i think everybody is different some people are put on this life to be a poet some people put on this right to be an author okay what i mean whoever you are okay how you feel what is what is the thing that you're drawn to for some people it's architecture They want to build houses.

[1475] They're fascinated by the construction methods.

[1476] They're fascinated by design.

[1477] And they're just really drawn to want to build houses.

[1478] Some people want to make music.

[1479] Some people are drawn to lyrics and they're drawn to musical notes and bars and changes.

[1480] And that's their thing.

[1481] Everybody has a – I mean, some people have many things, you know.

[1482] And for some people, that's their problem is they have so many things.

[1483] It's hard to focus on one.

[1484] But really the key, I think, to happiness in life is being – honest with yourself and finding whatever it is that's attractive to you.

[1485] Whatever it is that draws you, whether it's animation or sculpture or making clothes, what, it's, everyone has a thing.

[1486] While you were talking there, I felt like I was another dimension.

[1487] It felt like, I was like, I lost myself.

[1488] Really?

[1489] Yeah.

[1490] That's the effect you talked about it.

[1491] I was on, I was like, I don't know, I'm thinking, I think I'm, I think I'm crazy.

[1492] Yeah, you're definitely crazy.

[1493] Yeah, a little bit.

[1494] Yeah, of course, to be really great at anything.

[1495] I think I think you have to be crazy.

[1496] You're like, you're doing something and then you have the feeling like you're, you don't know, I don't know.

[1497] You're carried away.

[1498] Yeah, you're getting carried away in the thoughts.

[1499] Yeah, I have that all the time, man. It's a crazy life.

[1500] It is a crazy life, but it's a really crazy life if you follow your passions.

[1501] Yeah.

[1502] And it's a fucking crazy, boring life if you don't.

[1503] Well said.

[1504] And there's a lot of people out there that, unfortunately, whether it's their family, sometimes your family, they'll try to influence you in a way to get you to do something that's safer.

[1505] I mean, my own family did that.

[1506] They were always trying to get me to, the big one was graduate from college, graduate from university, get a degree, you know, have a safe, you know, don't just try to do comedy.

[1507] Because I know Gary V is a big proponent of that, like, you know, quit school and how do you do, like, because a lot of people are stuck with the parents think.

[1508] So you just said, fuck it, I'm going to do it regardless.

[1509] Yeah, I think my parents gave up on trying to control me very young.

[1510] I was, you know, like they didn't even want me to do martial arts when I started doing martial arts.

[1511] When did you start?

[1512] Really heavily when I was 15.

[1513] I started when I was 14, but really heavily when I was 15.

[1514] That's when I just became obsessed with Taekwondo and competing.

[1515] And, you know, at first they didn't want me to do it.

[1516] But then that was like the first thing that I ever did that made me feel like I wasn't a loser.

[1517] You know, it was like the first thing that I ever did that I got really good at.

[1518] Like good at and like started getting recognition from it and started winning tournaments.

[1519] And then I realized like, wow, if I focus on something and become obsessed with something, I can get really good at it.

[1520] And so that led to learning how to do that in applying that sort of same energy to other things in life.

[1521] You know, I think sometimes people just have to find a thing, whatever that thing is that really floats your boat.

[1522] And then find the time, find the time to pursue it and set up your life so that you have the time to pursue it.

[1523] And now they're scared sometimes, oh, wait, if I do this, there's not going to be income around it.

[1524] But they just have persevered and money will come.

[1525] And just everything is possible, I think.

[1526] And it's crazy that, but now that I kind of lived it, it's true.

[1527] You can do whatever you can do whatever you want.

[1528] Well, now, do you live in Myanmar now?

[1529] No, now we actually, we lived in Dubai for a year.

[1530] So we lived in Thailand for three years.

[1531] Then we kind of left for Myanmar for a few months.

[1532] What brought you to Dubai?

[1533] Yeah, exactly.

[1534] We went to Myanmar for a few months trying to open a gym.

[1535] So I want to open the first Latuit gym.

[1536] It's on the ice for now.

[1537] It will happen when the Zuk -Lithui Gym.

[1538] But for now, this.

[1539] And then, like, it's very poor, right?

[1540] It's, like, 50 years behind Thailand.

[1541] It's a beautiful, very raw, very rich country.

[1542] Not rich, like, meaning the culture is rich.

[1543] Yes.

[1544] And then we kind of got there.

[1545] There's a real estate bubble there.

[1546] So the place we had was a two -bedroom apartment, $2 ,000 a month in Myanmar.

[1547] And it was not even downtown.

[1548] It was, like, okay, and then electricity cuts happens all the time.

[1549] You need a big -ass generator.

[1550] And then when it cuts, you don't have Wi -Fi.

[1551] I was like, my wife, she's Russian.

[1552] She really raised their standards of living, so I have to, I want to give her the best life possible, right?

[1553] So then we get a call to do a seminar in Dubai.

[1554] We go there and she's like, raining season is approaching, Dave, and when it rains, I don't want to be in Myanmar because then everything stops, right?

[1555] So I'm like, okay, so imagine like, and then I paid a deposit on the department before leaving the seminar.

[1556] So it's like you're in Cleveland and you just, you pay for a place because you're there.

[1557] So you went to Dubai to do a seminar?

[1558] He said, all right, we'll stay here for a little bit.

[1559] Yeah, Dubai is very nice, right?

[1560] Yeah, yeah.

[1561] But it's a bit like, for me, it's a bit like fake.

[1562] Like, everything, it's a concrete jungle, the best way to put it.

[1563] Nothing grows there, nothing organic.

[1564] You get the raspberries and they perish in a few days.

[1565] Like it's, so.

[1566] Well, it's the desert, really.

[1567] Yeah, nothing grows.

[1568] Yeah.

[1569] But it's cool if you want to party like Mayweather, you just go there and you party.

[1570] Does Mayweather party in Dubai?

[1571] Everybody does.

[1572] Does it?

[1573] Rapper.

[1574] I've only been there once for the way -ins.

[1575] Yeah, there was a fight.

[1576] There was a fight in Abu Dhabi, and we had the wayans in Dubai, and we went there for a day.

[1577] But I remember seeing, no, I didn't go to that one.

[1578] This was several years ago when Anderson Silva fought Damien Maya.

[1579] And I remember thinking, man, there's fucking Ferraris everywhere and Lamborghinis and Rolls Royces.

[1580] There's a lot of money.

[1581] Dubai has a lot of money.

[1582] You know, this crazy thing is that you get a nice car.

[1583] Like, I get a, I have a sponsor there.

[1584] I drive with a cool cars.

[1585] I'm not a big of McClaren.

[1586] You got a McLaren?

[1587] Not me as the, is my, yeah.

[1588] sponsor.

[1589] Which one?

[1590] I had the 320 something S. I'm not sure.

[1591] You don't even know what it is.

[1592] I don't care.

[1593] I'm not a materialist guy.

[1594] Like, I found my sandals on the floor.

[1595] Like I still wear.

[1596] I don't, I don't, I don't like, I give all my money to my wife.

[1597] Well, there's probably somebody else's.

[1598] It was, it was, it was, they had holes in it.

[1599] So I don't, I don't, I think you actually, I really don't care about, uh, clothing.

[1600] Like, this is a a t -shirt from a, you know, a fan and, uh, I, yeah, anyway, I'm, I'm not a very, a very big materialist.

[1601] So you have a sponsor that gave you a McLarenter drive.

[1602] Yeah, when I'm there, yeah.

[1603] So, So now we actually left there and now we buy a place in, we have a house that we want to grow there in Cyprus.

[1604] So now we live in Cyprus.

[1605] Where is that outside of France?

[1606] It's Mediterranean.

[1607] So next to Jordan, Egypt, Turkey.

[1608] It's like the most eastern country in Europe.

[1609] In EU.

[1610] What brought you there?

[1611] You know what?

[1612] And it was, I was in Dubai with my wife like, I don't see we can have a kids here.

[1613] It's a bit like, you know, everybody, they're going to grow with bad values, I believe.

[1614] It's all about materialistic, about like, you know, everything is about the money.

[1615] you want a car you need to pay like to have the one one one it's a million dollars for that like it's all just bad values i believe for me oh you mean the license plates yes oh one one one license plate so it's not enough to have a nice rule source you need to have the one for the so that's an extra million that's hilarious they pay a million bucks for the license plate what a bunch of dip sheds thank you that is the dumbest fucking thing who gives a fuck what your license plate said a million dollars that's when you're just running out of shit to buy and you start you know like people go buy exclusive things there's only three of these purses like well they should make more it's so not important in our human life like it's so not important this but the license plate thing is so weird you know they have an issue with that in the united states they have an issue with people from other countries that bring their cars over here okay like really rich people from saudi arabia oh yeah they call it saudi arabian summer because uh in summer in saudi arabia it's so fucking hot that summer in America seems like nothing.

[1616] So summer in LA, which gets to be 105 degrees, they fucking spit on that.

[1617] They laugh at that.

[1618] Like, that ain't shit.

[1619] So they bring these expensive cars like Lamborghinis and Ferraris and save them from the summer.

[1620] And they bring them over here and they bring them over here with Saudi Arabian plates.

[1621] So they have like embassy plates and they have like consulate plates.

[1622] And, you know, it became an issue in parts of Beverly Hills because like They're not even registered, and they're not even registered in America.

[1623] I don't know what the fuck they do, but they're driving these things around.

[1624] Like I was at a hotel in Beverly Hills.

[1625] I went to a restaurant there, and there was a car that was parked there, like a Lamborghini that had like Saudi Arabian license plate.

[1626] I'm like, this is crazy.

[1627] Like, how do you have a Saudi Arabia plate in America?

[1628] Like, how the fuck does this even get over here?

[1629] The guy was saying, no, it's like the whole thing about license plates.

[1630] It's like a sign of opulence.

[1631] that they're able to ship their vehicle from there, not buy a car here and register it here, but ship it from there.

[1632] Do you drive their own car here?

[1633] That's what it is.

[1634] They bring it over here on a boat.

[1635] Oh, my God.

[1636] Yeah.

[1637] So they load their shit up on boats, have it brought up here.

[1638] They pick it up at the dock and then drive it around with Saudi Arabian plates.

[1639] Status, I guess.

[1640] When you deal with things like oil money, I think it gets to this level that you and I will never understand.

[1641] No. A level of money that just doesn't.

[1642] You're born into it, too.

[1643] Yeah.

[1644] But, like, again, I'm also a bit grateful because, you know, the highest suicide rate is in trust fund babies.

[1645] People are born with too much and they never worked for it.

[1646] So then they're unhappy.

[1647] So I think it's okay to work for your goals.

[1648] You know, you feel more happy with it.

[1649] I think so, too.

[1650] To go back to what we said, like, we just Google with my wife.

[1651] We were in Dubai, we just Google.

[1652] So where do we want to live?

[1653] So I said, what's important for us?

[1654] No snow?

[1655] Yeah.

[1656] So we just Google, what's the best weather in the world?

[1657] We have the luxury to say that.

[1658] So I said, cool.

[1659] We Googled it.

[1660] It gave us Spain, Cyprus, and Costa Rica.

[1661] Costa Rica was a bit too like A lot of bugs Yeah monkeys Crockettiles Cyprus So what's it like in Cyprus It's like amazing What language do they speak?

[1662] Greek and English It used to be Greek It's a Greek and actually Turkish Invaded four years ago So half the island is Turkish Wow They took it back from like years ago They said oh it's our part of the island So they took half of the island And the other half the north is all Greek Beautiful So did you learn Turkish?

[1663] Did you learn Greek?

[1664] No it is.

[1665] It's speaking English pretty well.

[1666] And actually half the people there, it's a million people in the island.

[1667] That's the country, a million people in the country.

[1668] And most of it are Russian, so my Russian is getting pretty good.

[1669] Oh, wow.

[1670] And your wife speak Russian as well?

[1671] She's born there.

[1672] Oh, that helps.

[1673] But she taught me, so.

[1674] Wow, that's, you lived in international life, my man. The nomad.

[1675] Yeah, you're all over the fucking place.

[1676] You travel everywhere.

[1677] Yeah, but so now when you're training, are you training, you're training in Cyprus?

[1678] Do you have your own gym?

[1679] That's the hard part.

[1680] So right now, I would like, in my last training camp, I came back to Canada in Montreal, with Sifu Patrick, we train hard.

[1681] And then now I'm like, where am I going to do my next training camp?

[1682] You know, I have to fly maybe, because the high level of striking in Turkey, you know, glory, I have a friend that fought.

[1683] So I'm like, maybe I'm just going to fly the guy for a month, train with me in Cyprus, and then fight, you know.

[1684] Oh, but if the fight is in June in the States, I will actually probably do my training camp again with my bad note guys in Montreal.

[1685] I think I will do my training camp in Montreal again.

[1686] And that's good, too, because it'll be the spring.

[1687] It'd be fairly warm.

[1688] Oh, yeah, true.

[1689] I don't want snow, man. I get it, man. I grew up in Boston.

[1690] I get it, which is not...

[1691] Yeah, not as cold as Montreal, though.

[1692] Your area is...

[1693] Quebec is quite a bit colder.

[1694] I remember thinking that Boston was cold, and then I went up to Montreal in December.

[1695] In December?

[1696] In December?

[1697] I was like, what the fuck, man?

[1698] This is real cold.

[1699] That's next level cold.

[1700] Yeah.

[1701] You don't have a Boston accent, but...

[1702] No, I got rid of it.

[1703] I heard myself on TV.

[1704] I won the base.

[1705] state games when I was 19 and I heard myself on TV and I was like oh my god that fucking accent's got to go Boston pack your car okay working really had there's like a it's like it's a weird accent it's a strange every accent is weird Australian is weird too yeah everything I think everything flooring to us is weird but Boston is particularly gross when women have that accent okay it's just like you know some accents are hot with women like English is hot You know, Georgia, Texas, that's hot.

[1706] Russian's hot.

[1707] Boston's gross.

[1708] It's gross.

[1709] Even New York is better than Bob.

[1710] Something about Boston is just like when women have it.

[1711] Men can have it, it's cool.

[1712] It reminds me and my friends.

[1713] I like it.

[1714] I like when I hear it on men, but I hear it on women.

[1715] Maybe that's what the problem is.

[1716] It reminds me of girls that I dated when I was young.

[1717] I was like, oh, let me get the fuck away from you.

[1718] You touched it right there.

[1719] And that's what is.

[1720] Where you going?

[1721] Yeah.

[1722] Yeah.

[1723] So when you are, that will be definitely your next fight.

[1724] We'll be in June.

[1725] June in the States.

[1726] 100%.

[1727] So you have a lot of time to think about that, man. We're only here, it's not even November yet.

[1728] November, yeah.

[1729] So then actually now I'm in the middle of the, like, my, you stole my name, Joe.

[1730] I called it the Dave Luzook Experience.

[1731] Well, I stole it from Jimmy Hendricks.

[1732] I sold it from Gary.

[1733] He had it before I was born, you know.

[1734] I mean, Hendricks had the Jimmy Hendricks experience.

[1735] I think in the late 60s.

[1736] It's good.

[1737] Yeah.

[1738] It's fucking good.

[1739] Yeah.

[1740] But you're, you're, it's a worldwide brand now.

[1741] It's amazing what you've built.

[1742] It's crazy.

[1743] Congratulations for this.

[1744] Thank you.

[1745] I don't know how it happened.

[1746] Just happened.

[1747] Well, you're a personal, you know, personal, a guy.

[1748] Everybody loves you.

[1749] It's, you deserve it.

[1750] Well, I think it's, it's just, it's one of those things.

[1751] You just keep doing it.

[1752] If you just keep doing things, you just get better at doing it.

[1753] Consistency.

[1754] And I need your advice on that because I started a thing called Let's With Tuesday.

[1755] I did 35 episodes.

[1756] And while I was in Asia and I was killing it.

[1757] And it was pretty cool.

[1758] But then I. What is it?

[1759] Is it on YouTube?

[1760] Yeah, YouTube.

[1761] Yeah.

[1762] Yeah, I got a decent amount of views, not your views, but like...

[1763] But is it, um, instructional?

[1764] Yeah.

[1765] So I was, it was, when I was doing my, my first fights, I was teaching, you know, the headpots and the culture and, I'm going to start it again, but...

[1766] Is it on YouTube right now?

[1767] Yeah, pull some of that up, Jen.

[1768] Go on the, how to build your hands, then why I'd like this one.

[1769] Build your hands.

[1770] It's like a two -minute video.

[1771] What do you do?

[1772] So my push -ups, I, it's basically, you can do some push -ups on your knuckle with some, like, microjumps to create some, like, micro -fractions, yeah.

[1773] And then finger, finger push -ups.

[1774] up for all the tendons, the ligaments.

[1775] Well, you're doing that.

[1776] You're doing it with these knuckles.

[1777] You're not even doing it with the front too?

[1778] Yeah, I guess it depends.

[1779] If I'm doing it, if I'm doing my tricep, it would be those two.

[1780] Yeah, I would just sit on the table.

[1781] It's hard to say.

[1782] That's the thing about, they would always tell you in karate or anything else when you're punching that if you're going to punch with bare knuckle.

[1783] Okay, good.

[1784] Yeah.

[1785] Yeah.

[1786] That's all fucked up, huh?

[1787] Yeah, they get hard as shit of using anything to, you like a macawara or something.

[1788] Pounding on something.

[1789] I just do, I actually want to save.

[1790] my hand as much as possible because I either getting some of fucked up for the fights I put my hands in the ice bucket after every fight so I just like save them but I do my I save information but then these and then on the wrist yeah you try these ones yeah yeah it's pretty cool it's hard yeah yeah yeah so you have a fingertip pushups knuckle push ups and then wrist push up so this is uh that's a how to build your hands you can show the beginning it'll be that's uh for people cool video too though that's the that's two too that's me just let this just let this roll jamie so we can see some of this So the headbutt right there, boom.

[1791] Damn.

[1792] Oh, that's a nice thing.

[1793] Did Cyrus try to headbut you?

[1794] Did he?

[1795] Couldn't.

[1796] It was a one -sided fight completely.

[1797] So he didn't, did he prepare for headbutts and things like that?

[1798] He went to Myanmar before me. So you know you spoke about it last time, I think.

[1799] So that would me and Tutu, that's my fake roundhouse is a psychic.

[1800] Oh, nice.

[1801] Super annoying.

[1802] That's a good move, man. Fake roundhouse hit a sidekick for a fake, especially for, a long tall guy like you yeah but anyway so that's what else that's yeah that's the pushups so do you punch the bag bear knuckle a lot with no wrist wraps or anything like that yeah exactly actually the one you see the good quality of view that's um jeff is jeffson like he was he was here with israel he's personal guy oh it's uh with israel ad sonya yeah man we met me and jeff and tiger at the time so i was uh i miss those high quality videos now i would do it in my phone i think well it's interesting because you're one of the only guys that's speaking English that's talking about this that's talking about this sport and that competes in the sport is a champion of the sport I mean as far as like the history of the sport you're probably one of the really the only guys who's an English speaker that's been a champion yeah so the ligament the push -ups on their hands I think it's a very hard way I do it in my seminars people have a hard time doing it and I think it's key because if you do like you fight with no gloves with only gas you really you can feel it you can feel it fucking training yeah basically Basically, you know, if you hit the teat or something, you need to have, you know, you don't want to get this.

[1803] Because why I started doing these is because I fight in Japan and my second fight in Japan.

[1804] And I was always like a dream of mine because of a street fighter, right?

[1805] And super Nintendo street fighter.

[1806] And like, Japan, you know, when you're good.

[1807] So I was like, I was always thinking like either Gile or American or Sagat.

[1808] And then, yeah, that's the one.

[1809] That's on the knuckles.

[1810] So you do some little jumps and the way, I'm going to tell it right way, I think.

[1811] What is that surface?

[1812] Is that concrete?

[1813] Yeah, that's concrete, yeah.

[1814] For the craziest of it.

[1815] Like, it's not very pleasant this one, but it's...

[1816] Interesting, and you're not using the front two knuckles.

[1817] Well, I guess, yeah, I mean, the big one touches, if you look at the big one in the middle, but not the far...

[1818] When I fight, you're right, but when I fight, it's only the big one that pops out anyway.

[1819] I don't, but...

[1820] And have you broken your hands fighting left way?

[1821] No. Actually, I was going there, so when I fight in Japan, I had the second round, I dislocated my finger.

[1822] It was pretty bad, like broken, dislocated, and my corner man, he's a former golden belt guy, doesn't speak a word of English again.

[1823] And I'm like, pop it out so I can at least I can close my fist and finish the fight.

[1824] So he doesn't understand nothing.

[1825] And you can see like it's pretty bad.

[1826] So I ended up fighting the whole fight like this.

[1827] Oh, no. I couldn't close it.

[1828] So I'm like, okay.

[1829] And then, but I'm thankful it happened because that was the first fight I landed like my elbows and my first headbutts.

[1830] My first like solid headbutt.

[1831] Because you had an injury.

[1832] I had no choice.

[1833] I couldn't do my cross anymore.

[1834] So elbows, headbutts.

[1835] Did you try to pull it out yourself?

[1836] I didn't know at the time.

[1837] I tried it, but it was, the doctor required, needed, he used a lot of force to do it.

[1838] I think it was, I was, so I didn't want to make a big scene out of it because all the Japanese people watching it, they knew about it because the commentary was talking about it.

[1839] Yeah.

[1840] It's like, David San, fingers, but my Turkish opponent, he didn't know.

[1841] Right.

[1842] So I was like, I don't want to, you know.

[1843] So, but yeah, it was, we finished.

[1844] fight and there was uh now i'm like i never will happen again i starting training these so what do you do in the off season so if you're not if you don't have a training camp so if you don't have someone coming to you to get you prepared for a fight you don't have a fight until june you want to stay sharp so what kind of work are you doing well it's funny after we're done today i'm going to go with gulcourt i'm going to do a private with him oh interesting i like i like to stay sharp with this so you're going to learn leg locks and all that we're school at patnold martial art is actually affiliated with Goucah, Highestan Academy in Montreal and Gatno, Quebec.

[1845] Well, Gokar's Academy is one of the very first around this area and even in the country that was concentrating on leg locks.

[1846] A lot of those guys were killer leglock guys.

[1847] With, I think, Mani Gaborian, and I think he trained Ronda, he's Silva as well, Anderson.

[1848] So I really like him, and he's, I think he's 56, and he's still competing.

[1849] He's still competing.

[1850] Cochar still competes?

[1851] Yeah.

[1852] You did, like, the master, not a long ago.

[1853] Interesting.

[1854] Anyway, so I'm going to go there, but I try to, yeah, right now, like on the tour, especially on the tour right now, I can't even, I can't even, I did some weights in the hotel room, but like, we did literally do a state every day.

[1855] Oh, wow.

[1856] So you're just worn out.

[1857] So tonight we're leaving for Texas, then New York, then Indiana.

[1858] But when you get back, when you get back to Cyprus, so what do you do to stay sharp?

[1859] Because you don't have a gym there, right?

[1860] Yeah.

[1861] Do you have a gym that you train in Cyprus?

[1862] We are in our place, in the basement, we have a full -on gym, like private, not.

[1863] as cool as you but not as big but we have everything i need and then but you don't have sparring partners you don't have someone to hold pads yeah i would have uh i'm gonna i'm gonna because we just literally moved in about the place a month ago a month ago we dropped the luggage and we left for the tour that seems so crazy though for a guy who's a world champion and a professional fighter to not be in a place that has professional trainers but there's gyms fighters because i i want to I am a big proponent of like I want to relax I want to have fun I want to relax I want to I want to enjoy life grow old with my wife sure so I feel like this is the best one of the best America is an amazing country but I feel this is the best country like because it's very there's no traffic LA does a lot of traffic right you think crazy huh so no traffic good food you walk in the streets in Cyprus and you can pick olives later we made a test olives and I give it to my wife then a date then a fig then a quantity we had about a million fruits in a in a in a a 10 -minute walk.

[1864] It's free on the street.

[1865] Just growing off trees.

[1866] Yeah.

[1867] Organic.

[1868] So I'm like, this is cool.

[1869] You know, it's fresh.

[1870] And also I studied because I want to live as long as I can.

[1871] Because again, we don't know what's going to happen after.

[1872] So I'm like, in Japan, one of the islands has one of the highest longevity, you know, they die late.

[1873] Yes.

[1874] So because they're near a body of water and they have a lot of seafood.

[1875] Right.

[1876] So I want to be on a body of water.

[1877] And this is an island.

[1878] Right.

[1879] So, yes.

[1880] Well, it sounds like the quality of life is beautiful there.

[1881] But I just, the only thing that I would be concerned with is that training.

[1882] I know.

[1883] And then, and also sparring partners.

[1884] I know.

[1885] And someone to hold paths, someone to coach you.

[1886] I know.

[1887] I mean, that's what, right now, so far, it's been amazing.

[1888] Like I said, I've been in, like, in Dubai.

[1889] All my training camps back in Canada, we're good.

[1890] And now, you're right.

[1891] After in January, we go back, I'm going to fill my academy, like my videos.

[1892] Uh -huh.

[1893] Which is also going to take a big part of it.

[1894] And then I have to stay sharp.

[1895] So I'm going to have to look around and see what the gyms are.

[1896] I didn't even look it into it yet.

[1897] Jesus.

[1898] Yeah, I know, I know.

[1899] But Turkey has a lot of high -level fighters.

[1900] It's a 30 -minute flight.

[1901] Yeah, and even wrestlers and a lot of...

[1902] So it's a 30 -minute flight to Turkey.

[1903] Well, I do that.

[1904] Yeah, and maybe you could fly people that'll come to you.

[1905] But that's one thing, it seems like you, now that your profile is getting bigger, people would probably be more willing to come to you to train, to learn, and then train with you.

[1906] Just the thing is, like, I viralize or I put on a high esteem quality of life.

[1907] You know, I want to, yes, fighting is cool, but it's, I'm 27.

[1908] Maybe I'm going to retire at 35, let's say, right?

[1909] Like, I'm going to do as much as I can.

[1910] But like, the rest, the other 70 years after that, if I live until 105, right?

[1911] You know, it's not going to be, it's going to be, I'm not going to be competing in the ring anymore.

[1912] So I value that a lot because it's the biggest part of my life, right?

[1913] Yeah.

[1914] I've only been fighting professionally since 2013.

[1915] So, but yeah, I will...

[1916] Is that the goal, 35?

[1917] Is it the goal?

[1918] I think it's perfect.

[1919] Yeah, it's good.

[1920] More than that, I think you...

[1921] I don't know, maybe...

[1922] Because I'm actually excited to see when I'm going to hit 30, my testosterone, like, you know, I'm going to be stronger at 30, 31, 32, because...

[1923] Well, you'd definitely be smarter.

[1924] You know, that's the thing that happens.

[1925] In terms of life experience, you know, you have enough...

[1926] I mean, they say the best fighters are really in their early 30s because their body is still strong, but their experience level is much higher.

[1927] Okay.

[1928] So, like, when you're 20, you're probably...

[1929] You might be stronger or faster, but you don't know as much.

[1930] You don't have as much experience.

[1931] You don't, your technique is not as sharp.

[1932] And as you get older, you just develop more experience.

[1933] As long as you're dedicated and focused.

[1934] But then again, the thing that I'm saying is the one thing that I would be concerned with is the lack of time, training in a high level environment, which I think is one of the most crucial things.

[1935] Yeah, so so far I've not had that problem, but when I'll be, when I'll be like actually moving there, I need to, I need to fly some guys.

[1936] and yeah but you got to let us know when you do fight and it's in the United States we'll promote it we'll let everybody know and hopefully you'll have an opponent that people will recognize as well absolutely I want to I want to I want to be a good fight excited yeah yeah but it was so what's your okay perfect yeah yeah I actually have something you know when you Jamie you felt last time you did the the chin long video the he shared a video of two guys kicking the balls over the head remember oh yeah yeah yeah Yeah, that crazy sport.

[1937] It's like volleyball with your feet.

[1938] Yeah.

[1939] So this is like, it's Southeast Asia, and they have that, I have that ball with me for you.

[1940] Oh.

[1941] What's the ball they use?

[1942] It's, uh, oh, that's it.

[1943] Wow, that's crazy.

[1944] You can see it?

[1945] That's the ball of the kick?

[1946] Yeah.

[1947] And you can, it looks strong, it looks hard, but you can do head butts with this.

[1948] Oh, yeah, I'm sure.

[1949] Because that's what they do.

[1950] You can use all your body.

[1951] It's very light.

[1952] Yeah.

[1953] Traditional Saudi Asia sport, Sepak Traka.

[1954] Man, it, watching those guys.

[1955] guys is incredible the leg dexterity no no what is the game called again it's uh in miamara it's called chin loan when you go in circle that's spectacular wow it's amazing watch those guys oh they're so they're playing on a court yeah i've only seen it played like on the grass and outside oh my god look at these fucking guys that's incredible look at the fucking flexibility that's insane oh my god that is incredible um wow look at this dude oh shit look at that kick that's malaysia yeah wow so it's super popular in saudi east asia and the flexible and it can use your head too wow what a sport so they they m r like it's part of the culture after every every training we go in a circle and we do we do that so it kind of helps you can you know like oh yeah and your flexibility i'm sure i don't know if you can see on YouTube, there's one, it's with, it's, uh, Dave, it's in my video, it's like Dave and me, and I've tried it and, uh, I can only do my, like, with my right leg, like a hacky sack and my head butt.

[1956] That's it.

[1957] You can see, maybe Dave and Myanmar or something.

[1958] There's in my, and, uh, yeah, they, they're, they use their legs like crazy.

[1959] And I think it helps you, I think become a better fighter, I believe.

[1960] Oh, I would imagine.

[1961] You know what I mean?

[1962] Yeah.

[1963] The leg, just the dexterity and flexibility and range of motion.

[1964] motion those guys have.

[1965] I mean, they're almost like, it's like watching a ballerina slash kickboxer play soccer with their feet, but you're playing volleyball.

[1966] Yeah.

[1967] And this, this is plastic, but usually it's made of a ratan.

[1968] Oh, okay.

[1969] You know, like some kind of bamboo, yeah.

[1970] And, yeah, and, but at first, you know, it doesn't hurt.

[1971] Right.

[1972] But I, I, uh, now I'm, I can enjoy it.

[1973] Like, this time I did a seminar and I actually, like, I made them play a little bit.

[1974] It's just part of the culture because it's cool.

[1975] Yeah, it's, it's, uh, it's pretty wild game.

[1976] And that's a very popular game over there.

[1977] Yeah, yeah, everywhere in the street.

[1978] I usually when I'm walking my wife and she's like, oh, not again, I see a couple like, you know, locals playing.

[1979] I just stop.

[1980] I drop everything.

[1981] I put my laundry up because I always wear my lungy and I start playing with them.

[1982] And they're all excited because, oh shit, like they do some pictures.

[1983] So you're like a big celebrity over there?

[1984] Like when you walked on the street, do people recognize you?

[1985] Yeah, yeah.

[1986] Yeah, they love us there.

[1987] It's pretty cool.

[1988] But I again, we we I really I really like them they're so kind like honestly have you traveled in Asia a lot of yeah Thailand and that's how I felt everyone was so nice there okay well but imagine like 40 years before that when they they were untouched by tourism uh -huh you know even like that's how me yeah yeah so they they kind like they're they shake your hand like this oh wow look at this yeah that's my video I was I was in the forest with them and their guy in the red was uh he's sponsored by the country to play that.

[1989] Wow.

[1990] It's like we're going to see that.

[1991] Yeah.

[1992] He's good.

[1993] That's a wild fucking game.

[1994] I put the laundry.

[1995] You see like I tied it up, but then you have to lift it up like this.

[1996] It's so cool that you have that video.

[1997] And you lift it up and then if you have your leg tats, then you show your ward tats, right?

[1998] Ah, I see.

[1999] So then.

[2000] So this is before you had leg tats too.

[2001] Yeah, before.

[2002] I look naked almost.

[2003] Wow.

[2004] Look the head.

[2005] Yes.

[2006] That's the only strike I can can do in Southwarka.

[2007] They play that all the time.

[2008] It seems like there's a steep learning curve to this game.

[2009] Oh, yeah.

[2010] Headbutt right there.

[2011] Yeah.

[2012] Pretty crazy game, man. So that's the, and you see the Tanaka on their skin?

[2013] Yes.

[2014] This is specific from Myanmar, and it's like, it's a root that they break up and it's good for SPF and it's really, and it makes your skin better.

[2015] So it's, uh.

[2016] And so they rub it on their face.

[2017] Yeah.

[2018] And they have such like a soft skin.

[2019] It's crazy.

[2020] I think it helps.

[2021] It helps like a nice skin, yeah.

[2022] But listen, David, thanks for coming by, man, and let us know when June rolls around, when the fight is set.

[2023] You know how people can watch it.

[2024] Will it be on pay -per -view?

[2025] Yeah, I believe it's going to be on U .S .C. Fight Pass.

[2026] I'm not sure for pay -per -view yet.

[2027] But it's super excited.

[2028] Yeah, hopefully you can talk about it.

[2029] It's going to be a...

[2030] We definitely will.

[2031] Pretty cool.

[2032] Historic debut.

[2033] All right, man. Thank you, brother.

[2034] Thank you.

[2035] Thank you.

[2036] Appreciate it, man. It was fun.

[2037] Really fun having you on.

[2038] Bye, everybody.

[2039] Great, very interesting.