Fight Companion - June 28, 2014 (Part 2)

[0] all right back we're back perfect jamie on point right the time when the round starts i like how they're doing that when they have like a seven -eighth's commercial pretty ronda rousey all right second round very interesting who's better than herb dean is a referee i say no one that's good i think i think he's the best big john mccarthy gets a little bossy i've seen that happen a few times the hardest i i got to bring this up the hardest one i ever saw was a uh i want to say froto versus marlin saundro uh there was a nut shot and john says i don't think that was that bad you have two minutes yeah what is i'm there going you can't do that like that makes sense as the commentary i have to explain that the referee just said something that yeah that doesn't make sense doesn't make any sense and it's like thank yeah that's all you feel you're like you can't do that.

[1] Jeremy just tag cub with a nice right hand.

[2] So that's the knock on Big John.

[3] Well, how about the Strauss fight when James Strauss fought?

[4] Bobby Green.

[5] Bobby Green kicked him in the nuts.

[6] Two times had him hurt bad.

[7] Then kicked him in the nuts a third time.

[8] So hard you can hear the cup.

[9] You heard the pop of the cup.

[10] You heard the pop of the cup and Big John said it was a gut shot and stopped the fight.

[11] And you know, I think knew that he fucked up, but just didn't want to admit it.

[12] That was a mistake.

[13] That was just a mistake.

[14] I mean, everybody makes mistakes.

[15] Yeah.

[16] Especially when you're in something like your referee in MMA.

[17] I mean, he's still one of my all -time favorites.

[18] Yeah, seriously.

[19] And he did a great fucking job.

[20] Oh!

[21] Good, right.

[22] Popped him again.

[23] Jeremy's a monster, man. He just hit so hard.

[24] He smiled out of him.

[25] And they touched gloves afterwards.

[26] Yeah, Jeremy's power.

[27] That fucking power, something you guys go to do with, man. Ooh, and he goes to the body there.

[28] The problem is, if your cup swanston, you have to stay busy because you've got to outland the guy.

[29] You can't go one for one with Jeremy Stevens.

[30] Well, he's doing a lot of thinking here.

[31] And he's thinking a lot, yeah.

[32] Yeah, he's got to do it.

[33] a lot of thinking.

[34] You got this fucking monster in front of you.

[35] So that's the problem is you have to stay busy to Atlanta but you can't leave a vulnerability for a guy who it's that hard.

[36] You just can't.

[37] Yeah, and he's quick.

[38] Jeremy's not slow and he's a good counterfighter too.

[39] He's not just an aggressive guy.

[40] He's good at setting shit out.

[41] That was a nice inside leg kick.

[42] He's really come a long way since he went to Alliance too.

[43] Eric Del Fierro's doing a great job with him.

[44] It's just so fucking huge to have good coaching.

[45] Yeah.

[46] Are you been with Oyama your entire career?

[47] No, I started with Chris Brennan, and then I left Chris just to go to Jeremy Wayne.

[48] Team next generation?

[49] Team NG?

[50] Next generation back in the day.

[51] Remember those guys?

[52] I was a fucking kid, you know?

[53] I just...

[54] Oh!

[55] Another good right.

[56] He's in trouble now.

[57] He's in trouble.

[58] Damn, that was a hard fucking punch.

[59] Oh, shit.

[60] Holy shit.

[61] He's not smiling at this one.

[62] No, then he smiles.

[63] Yeah, dude, Jeremy Stevens can fucking bang.

[64] Wow.

[65] Cub is, uh, he's got to be very careful.

[66] he looks alternative now too right yeah i would i would be yeah he's got fucking cracked a couple times especially jeremy at 145 carrying all that power down isn't a weird thing power it's like you can't really you can only teach so much you can teach a guy to hit harder but you can never teach a guy to be like a Tommy hernes you either have that shit or you don't see my brother got the power in the family he hits a fucking truck but i just I don't know I didn't get it It's weird isn't it You just either you get it or you don't Like a Joe Oh we tried that cartwheel kick again Like a guy like George Foreman You can never teach a guy to punch like that They just You can either do it or you don't So strange Because you can get a guy stronger You can lift weights And you can be physically stronger I think you can take it to Like you said You can take it to a certain degree You can really turn over a punch Stuff like that But Yeah But you can never develop a Pino -Cuevas left hook.

[67] No. Like, you have that hook because you have that hook.

[68] Yeah, that power carries through technique.

[69] Yeah.

[70] And once your technique gets better, you just punch fucking harder and better.

[71] Yeah.

[72] You just get better.

[73] But there's certain guys, like, they have that Rocky Marciano thing.

[74] Yeah.

[75] Yeah.

[76] That Marciano, Jersey Joe Walcott knockout, there's like a classic photo.

[77] Up against the rope, his arms hanging there.

[78] And he's connecting on Walcott's face and Walcott's face is all distorted.

[79] Like, Marciano had that creepy power, that weird thing where guys can just fuck your world up with one shot.

[80] And you either have that or you don't.

[81] It's weird.

[82] You know, get great fighters who go their entire career without that one weapon, you know?

[83] Jeremy Stevens shoots her, gets a takedown too.

[84] That was one of the things that Cormier was talking about in the breakdown was Stevens should threaten with a takedown or two just to just to keep Cubs Swanson thinking.

[85] It's free Heizes people up a lot, man. Yeah.

[86] And he's right in front of his corner, too.

[87] There's Eric Tafiero, right in front of the Alliance team.

[88] Great fucking team in San Diego.

[89] It's a good round for Stevens.

[90] Huge round.

[91] Cubs 'ons got a bunch of roses on his leg.

[92] It's an interesting choice.

[93] Ooh.

[94] Another good right.

[95] Yeah.

[96] I would like to hear what Cubs Corner is telling him, man. I would love to hear what they have to say.

[97] I wonder what kind of advice they're giving him.

[98] you know what uh what accent is jackson using he's going russian is he going to russian that was hilarious that russian accent i think they have a game that they play oh my god he likes it when he talks to him like that he thinks it's funny at least that's what he said he's doing his best fucking lalka impression that was a big fucking win for henderson beating hobilov yeah finishing him yeah finishing him with a rear naked yeah lower down and come back with something look at this Oh, bang.

[99] Jeremy Stevens a motherfucker, and that's that right hand over the top that really clipped him.

[100] Two big rounds for Jeremy Stevens, right?

[101] Yeah.

[102] Jeremy looks fucking good, man. It's got to be the beard.

[103] It's a little bit of everything, man. He's just, he's amped up, man. The kid's motivated.

[104] Round three.

[105] Does you see when he wakes up in the morning with his kids?

[106] Fire it up.

[107] Like six in the morning.

[108] Shane's hours are you used to go down there.

[109] That's what he does?

[110] And, oh yeah.

[111] He gets up at like six and his kids are fucking chanting.

[112] marching around the house cooking breakfast they say fire it up fire it up really and chain didn't wake up early so the crow reference that that's what he does so he's got like a chant that he does in the morning wow oh it did just to get his kids up out of bed oh that's hilarious my mom he's just sing and i just like mom get out of my room you are an early morning person stop it I don't believe there are early morning people there's people that just wake up earlier than you and they want you to think they're early morning people so they have some sort of edge on you no if you have no reason to get it's sunday and you're up at five in the morning like my mom you're you love that shit you're an early morning person she will get up at five five 30 on a sunday for no reason that's ridiculous hey that's ridiculous my daughter woke me up at like 630 in the morning i don't know how they ever spoke to one another yeah my kids will climb on top of me at 5 30 in morning start asking me questions yeah and i'm like go away they're so cute though go hang out with grandpa my four -year -old she would just touch my face daddy give you kiss oh you're cute so sweet Can we go in the pool It's five of the fucking morning You want to swim?

[113] Nice right hand Another right hand I knew better than I'm trying to wake my dad up at six in the morning I got thrown through a window Seriously My dad did not play One daughter who is a fucking princess Is me and my dad living in the house So she's just got us fucking wrapped around her finger Like she just I'm like go go You know she wakes two and a half She'll wake up take her diaper off Come try and wake me up Come with a nice right hand there man Oh, good body kick like that hurt him.

[114] Oh, right uppercut.

[115] He is hurt.

[116] Another right hand.

[117] Yep.

[118] Oh!

[119] Oh, Jeremy's stunned, man. He's stunned.

[120] He is, and he's still trying to protect that body.

[121] Yep.

[122] Still hurting him.

[123] He can't bring his right hand up because he's keeping the elbow down there.

[124] He's reacting from the body.

[125] And Cub's season goes to the left hook.

[126] He went with the left hook upstairs.

[127] And he brought it from down low.

[128] Oh, uppercut.

[129] Oh, right hand.

[130] Oh, beautiful!

[131] That's the accuracy of Cub.

[132] He's got such good accuracy.

[133] And that's something you saw on the Siever fight.

[134] Oh, good takedown defense, too.

[135] Jeremy's in a little bit of trouble.

[136] See him breathe there?

[137] He's trying to breathe to get the flow back to his lungs because he is...

[138] That body shot's taking everything out of him.

[139] Yeah, that body shot really fucked him up, man. That kick.

[140] And Cubs switching that stance against, too.

[141] Looking for it again.

[142] Looking for that left kick.

[143] Cub needs a recharge, though, right now.

[144] Obvious with that left kick.

[145] Throw that thing.

[146] just hit the body because, were they going to block it?

[147] Yeah, even if you block it, you're hurting.

[148] Yeah.

[149] Well, I think he was throwing it up high just because he figured he was going to protect his ribs at all costs.

[150] Jeremy's still hurting, man. He's still hurting.

[151] You see the power difference.

[152] Cubb landed some great shots in sequence and couldn't get Stevens off his feet.

[153] Yeah.

[154] Man. Interesting.

[155] Very interesting.

[156] Very, very interesting.

[157] And interesting to see what kind of damage Jeremy is sustained from that kick to the body.

[158] you know a lot of guys get broken ribs from that kick to the body a lot do you remember that heath herring crocop picture yep there was a picture of crocop where he threw a left body kick and it's halfway into heath harring's abdomen it literally looks like he got thrown from a car and wrapped around a telephone pole like who did he leave the the toe the foot bruise on vandalay van der Leigh silver man that was first fight famous footprint Yeah, that was back when Van der Le and him had that weird rule thing.

[159] Or they were only fighting the ground for 30 seconds?

[160] They just wanted to stand and bludging each other.

[161] Well, it was the first time that Krocop had fought MMA.

[162] Yeah.

[163] So it's weird hybrid match.

[164] He wanted some weird rules.

[165] And if nothing happened, if nobody finished anybody, it was a draw.

[166] Yeah.

[167] So that's how that fight turned out, a draw.

[168] And then in the rematch...

[169] He just beat the career out of him.

[170] In the rematch, it was full Kroko.

[171] Yeah, there's the photo right there.

[172] Yeah, there's the picture.

[173] Look at that picture.

[174] Oh, my God.

[175] God.

[176] Oh my God.

[177] The photo of Mercos fucking chin halfway into Heath Herring's body is so terrifying.

[178] It's wrapping around.

[179] That's a perfect kick, too.

[180] Can you kick any better than that?

[181] No, it's about it.

[182] It's perfect.

[183] And here that Jeremy and Cub going at it in the third round.

[184] Jeremy cannot wait for this round to be over.

[185] This is amazing fight so far, though.

[186] Yeah, it is.

[187] Ooh, good need of the body by Cub.

[188] Do you think everyone always says, oh, hey, there's that Mexican actor?

[189] Ooh, a Mexican actor?

[190] Remember the cover you should be?

[191] We got from the end of watch.

[192] Payne up.

[193] Oh, that guy.

[194] I didn't see that movie.

[195] But I know who that guy is.

[196] I've seen him in other shit.

[197] Let me hear what they're saying.

[198] Give us some volume, Jamie.

[199] They're just talking about combination.

[200] I want to know about his body.

[201] Deep breath.

[202] Here it is.

[203] Slam.

[204] Yeah.

[205] Right to the liver, man. That look on your face.

[206] when you know it's coming and you can't stop it.

[207] There's that right hand over the top.

[208] Look how accurate Cub is.

[209] Yep.

[210] He's so fucking accurate in these wild meleys.

[211] It was one of the most impressive things I've ever seen as far as combinations of techniques landed was his fight with Siever.

[212] Yeah.

[213] Yeah, because everything was bunched up in one certain fucking box.

[214] Yeah.

[215] And he was, you know, Seaver was moving away and he was chasing after him, but he was still catching him with everything.

[216] There's a good kick by.

[217] a cub cubs coming on strong in that third round this is a very interesting fight now round two definitely you got to give to jeremy stevens round three definitely got to give to cub the first round i think stevens won but you're putting you're you're heading into subjective incompetence area you know when a fight is close it's like you would like experts to call it but they're not That's the weirdest thing about MMA judging.

[218] They're not experts at all.

[219] Some lady that got the job because she knew somebody than the...

[220] Yeah.

[221] I mean, for people who don't know anything about MMA that are listening to this, you would think that we're exaggerating, but we're not...

[222] We're not exaggerating.

[223] MMA judging is the worst out of any sport in the world that you can think of where you have like experts that are watching the contest at the highest level and they're aware of the subtle nuances of ebb and flow of the fight world.

[224] Well, that must be the case in MMA, surely, where there's billions of dollars on the line.

[225] Multinational corporations owned by Viacom and people called Zufa, and they would ensure that these things are judged correctly.

[226] Cold career.

[227] No, they're judged fucking terribly.

[228] They're the worst judged contests probably in all of professional sports is MMA.

[229] There's more incompetence in MMA judging and more judging being done by people who have no idea what they're watching.

[230] Just guesswork.

[231] We have no background in the sport.

[232] No background.

[233] Not even as an amateur.

[234] Not as an amateur competitor.

[235] Not even as a person who practices it.

[236] Not even a martial artist.

[237] No martial arts background at all.

[238] A lot of the delays sometimes will get on when there's a bad decision.

[239] There's a delay a lot of times our ring announcer, Michael C. Williams, is going around making sure that they knew it was the right person.

[240] Like, you know, they're the one with the gray shorts and they're the one with the red shorts, right?

[241] We had one where they had mixed it up.

[242] They had gotten the wrong person.

[243] He had to go around and go, uh, you know, they have the red shorts.

[244] Like, oh, hold on, and they scratched in and put different numbers in there.

[245] It has happened, man. Incompetence.

[246] It's just the sport was kind of like nudged in.

[247] And one of the big pieces of evidence that it was nudged in is the adoption of the 10 -point must system.

[248] It's just not a good system.

[249] There's too much going on in MMA.

[250] In boxing, that system makes sense because you're only boxing.

[251] But when you have boxing with knees, elbows, kicks, and then takedowns, and then submissions, and then ground and pound, all those variables that don't exist in a boxing scoring system.

[252] It's just the 10 points is just not enough.

[253] What if they do, like a 30 -point system for groundwork, takedowns, and then striking?

[254] And it's still all subjective, though.

[255] You'd have to know what the fuck is going on.

[256] Like, you'd have to know, like, sometimes a guy's caught in a guy's, like, a guy has a guy's back.

[257] And the guy's in a lot of trouble.

[258] And sometimes a guy's not in trouble at all.

[259] And you have to be able to differentiate between a guy who's defending really well and a guy who's not defending well at all, who's on the brink of getting finished at any second.

[260] There's a difference.

[261] Why is Cub smiling?

[262] Because he defended a takedown.

[263] Good.

[264] He punched the body there.

[265] In short range, he's digging that right hand to the body.

[266] How hard are those knees to the thigh when you're up against the cage like that?

[267] How much of those suck?

[268] I don't, I don't know.

[269] Do you don't feel them at the time?

[270] No. I mean...

[271] You're so amped up with adrenaline.

[272] Yeah, and you just kind of get past the pain thing.

[273] That's just, that's going to go away.

[274] When you're in training, do you wear knee pads when you're in training?

[275] Do you do those?

[276] Sometimes.

[277] Yeah, I won't knee without knee pads on.

[278] I mean, that's just not really fair.

[279] Right.

[280] They can get fuck each other up.

[281] rude.

[282] Yeah, exactly.

[283] It's just some rude shit to do to each other.

[284] It's like foot stomps and training.

[285] You have to be an asshole.

[286] Those fucking stupid front knee kicks.

[287] Oh yeah, those are brutal.

[288] Those oblique kicks and front leg side kicks that John Jones does to the thigh.

[289] They're effective, but they're assholes.

[290] Oh, Cub just...

[291] He's blitzgringing.

[292] Jeremy's starting to slow down a little bit.

[293] I noticed the ever training, remember I got kicked and need around the muscle.

[294] When they find that space in between the muscles, oh, man. It was always terrible the next day.

[295] That's the accuracy of real tie box.

[296] Yeah, real tie guys?

[297] That one spot, and they kick it twice, and you're like, fuck, I'm, I'm over this.

[298] Ernesto Huss used to always get that spot right above the knee, where the bone meets the top of the quad, or the bottom on the quad.

[299] Stop to Eagle Grove Chanchin with kicks in K -1.

[300] Yeah, there's a few of those guys that tried to venture forth into K -1 from MMA.

[301] Didn't always work out so great.

[302] Oftentimes disastrous results.

[303] But Rampage did that.

[304] A lot of people forget.

[305] Rampage fought Mike Bernardo, and beat him and beat him in fucking K -1 Rampage was a beast in his prime I mean it's kind of sucks now hearing him talk about retirement and he's still fighting but you could tell he's kind of on his way out doing it for the money job security yeah well it's a lot of money he's got a bunch of kids too there's a lot going on you got to keep that money coming in it's but it's he's one of those guys he was the first guy ever rolled with ever.

[306] Rampage?

[307] Was Rampage?

[308] Really?

[309] I'm sure that was fun.

[310] Yeah.

[311] He brings it up a lot when we're hanging out and every time I see him and, uh...

[312] Nice.

[313] Look at that.

[314] Nice neat.

[315] Naturally, one of the most just incredibly strong people.

[316] Yeah, he's so strong.

[317] Oh my God.

[318] Yeah, I rolled with him before when we were filming that, uh, UFC, whatever the fuck it was, show for Spike.

[319] Yeah.

[320] So strong.

[321] It's ridiculous.

[322] Here we go.

[323] Final round here.

[324] Who do you think that last round one too?

[325] It's a good question.

[326] That's a close one.

[327] It was close.

[328] I wasn't really paying attention enough to score it.

[329] You know, I don't like...

[330] I mean, sometimes a round's obvious, but even when I'm doing commentary, I don't know because when I'm doing commentary, I'm trying to point out all these different things about a round, and I'm not doing it...

[331] I think if you're going to score around, you should shut the fuck up, and you should have a piece of paper in front of you, and you should be marking things down.

[332] You know, Eddie Bravo used to do it in between fights, in between rounds, he would talk about the round, and, you know, they'd have, like, unofficial scorekeeper, like, they have Harold Letterman for the UFC, or for boxing, and Eddie used to have two columns, one for each guy, and he would have all these marks down as far as, like, hard kicks that were landed, punches that were landed, near submissions, and he had a whole system that he would do, and it was a very accurate system.

[333] I agreed with every one of his little, little in -fight in -between round things.

[334] creativity being smart and being knowledgeable what the fuck's going on control there's a lot of variables I just think that there's too many variables for a 10 point must system we need our own system and I don't know what the hell it's going to be I would like them to come up with better fucking gloves and I would like them to come up with a better scoring system those are my two number one gripes I have to score mine for belator and I have some fighters get pissed to me man sorry dude why do they make you score it they just did it's always a good idea and I was like I don't mind doing it you know you should probably tell them well I don't know do whatever the fuck you want but I would probably tell them I don't want to do that anymore I don't mind doing it just you know just who I think won and why you know it's just a good template for right here's why I think in explaining the scorecard it does make me break it down what I'm thinking while I'm watching it right so I do like it do you write things down when you're scoring like when you're doing commentary do you write anything down yeah yeah sometimes I do most of the time i do yeah i i just try to when i'm doing commentary since i don't have to score i just try to be oh another good one down he's hitting him hard with that left oh another right hand cob is on him man oh cartwheel kick beautiful double jabb look at him hand oh he's taken over jeremy's a bloody mess too he's so creative like look what he just did there He ducks down and wings that overhand.

[335] Oh, left hook.

[336] Right on the dot every time.

[337] He's so accurate, man. And punching him with your head off of the, you know, the B -line.

[338] You can punch in the same area and still have your head off of, you know, whatever line you're going.

[339] Another lead right.

[340] Two minutes to go, though.

[341] Good combinations.

[342] This round is still kicking.

[343] Jeremy's got a lot of blood coming out of that nose.

[344] Oh, splattering everywhere.

[345] Yeah, his face is a mess.

[346] Oh.

[347] Cubs throws a lot of off -speed stuff, too.

[348] He does things.

[349] He's really hard to figure out what he's going to do.

[350] Yeah.

[351] Very sneaky with the way he moves at you.

[352] He'll, like, slow, slow, fast, you know?

[353] He does a lot of that.

[354] Nice left hook there.

[355] And it's hard to see, a lot of times it's hard to see punches that come from the hip like that.

[356] Very difficult, especially when you have good head movement.

[357] And he's got very good movement, very good waist movement.

[358] Back and forth.

[359] Damn.

[360] Yeah, I'm happy.

[361] I don't have to score this fucking thing.

[362] I really am I just get to watch it Not to worry about it Well that's I just don't know man I just I think if I was going to score rounds And do my best at it I really would shut the fuck up Yeah you'd have to Yeah Which I'm sure some people would like I cannot I gotta talk and score it soon Nice left took again by Cub This is all Cub this round Yeah totally Jeremy's got to know that I mean This is a very interesting situation I think him all might hinge on the fourth round that was real close yeah right because three and five are definitely cub i would say one and two or stevens right now well this is a perfect we just looked up at the clock this is a perfect example why one round being a ten nine and this round being a ten nine is ridiculous so that the round that was really close if that was a ten nine for either one of those guys and then this is a ten nine round for cub that's fucking crazy that highlights how fucked up the system is, because Cub is schooling him in this round, and Cub also schooled him in that other round.

[363] Oh!

[364] Jeremy lands that right hand.

[365] Woo!

[366] Still dangerous.

[367] Still dangerous.

[368] Fucking 24 minutes, 24 and a half minutes in?

[369] Yep.

[370] Yeah.

[371] Another good one.

[372] He carries that fucking power, and he'll switch it up, too.

[373] Get you thinking about that overhand and come with that uppercut.

[374] Oh, you heard him!

[375] He heard him.

[376] He heard him.

[377] It was a stumble there, man. Damn, Jeremy Stevens is swinging.

[378] I hate to see somebody lose this.

[379] That's a great fight.

[380] That's a great fight.

[381] Look at these guys.

[382] That was fucking awesome.

[383] Fantastic fight.

[384] I love this too.

[385] I love this.

[386] Yeah.

[387] I love these guys walking around holding each other's arms up.

[388] I love that.

[389] Especially after a fight.

[390] And there was a moment of pause when the bell rang where they were still like, fuck you.

[391] Ah, a good fight.

[392] Because Jeremy was chasing after him moving in for the kill in that last minute.

[393] Wow.

[394] Amazing fight.

[395] I still gave that last round A CUB, but that highlights why, you know, it's like, what is that?

[396] Is that a 109 round?

[397] Is that a 108?

[398] What is a 10 -8?

[399] You know, what the fuck?

[400] Why do we still have this 10 -point system?

[401] It's fucking goofy.

[402] So what do you think?

[403] Have you had a judge?

[404] If you had a guess.

[405] I think Cubs did more damage.

[406] I would say Cubs.

[407] Yeah, I would say Cubs too.

[408] Cubs as, I mean, the problem is when you're looking at that whole 10 -point must system, is it going to be looked like that at the judges?

[409] So it's saying right now that Jeremy broke his hand?

[410] Is that what they said?

[411] That's what says right now.

[412] Dana White tweeted.

[413] He broke his hand.

[414] In the third round.

[415] Wonder which hand?

[416] He was throwing both there at the end.

[417] So I was trying to pay attention.

[418] He's so crazy.

[419] He probably didn't bother him at all.

[420] It goes numb.

[421] Yeah.

[422] Yeah, you don't really feel it.

[423] He probably knew it and just kept bombing with it.

[424] Fuck, I mean, I crushed my hand and broke my knuckle in like five pieces.

[425] and then broke my hand too impacted it and it's just you don't feel it i mean it's not like i'm like fuck yeah bro pain you know it's it just went numb and i think i you know i threw a hundred and something punches make that show that fist make that fist that's where it goes a little bruise right now it's a little swan but if i can land it in his fucking eye socket and when you're training what do you what do you do to wrap your hands um with boxing gloves on it it it's the padding's there so it helps out a lot but if i still put it in someone's forehead or something or catch it on an overhand, which is how I broke it, it fucking hurts.

[426] My finger's going to break like this.

[427] I mean, it's all fucking bruise right now, but, you know, it's...

[428] All right, here it is.

[429] Here it is.

[430] Cubs Swanson.

[431] I thought so.

[432] I thought that was justified.

[433] Yeah, I think that's justified.

[434] It's close.

[435] I think it's justified in terms of the overall fight.

[436] Yeah.

[437] If you look at the overall fight, I think that Cubs Swanson won the overall fight.

[438] Definitely, Jeremy had some moments, and definitely Jeremy scored a lot and had Cub heard at one point in time but it's a good fight man yeah really good that's that's the kind of fight that you want to see when you see a guy who's fighting for like a world title next yeah he fights another top guy in the division two hungry young lions and both guys had moments you know jeremy had some big moments in that fight but cub had more moments it's a big win for him man. And Jeremy Stevens being the harder hitter, he stepped forward and landed some good shots.

[439] Cubs had to do a lot of things to keep that pressure on.

[440] He didn't have that one -shot power.

[441] He had to show a lot of accuracy, threw a lot of jabs, mixed a lot of kicks in there, a lot of head movement.

[442] Yeah.

[443] He had to do a lot more because he didn't have that power.

[444] Yeah, that's an interesting time.

[445] I like seeing that person.

[446] Yeah, I do too.

[447] Well, that's a kind of fight, too, that makes a guy really grow.

[448] That's some serious fucking experience you get there.

[449] Exactly.

[450] Mentally, just your fight IQ goes up, fucking a lot of points when you fought like who's who do you think is you see emacall when you fought mighty mouse when you fought benavides what fight do you have any fights that you look back on you say that's the fight that really i took the most from huh i would say me and joe i don't think either of us fought to our full potential in that fight how come i don't know we just kind of stood there we didn't really neither of us moved like we should have we didn't get after it you know um you know i'm pretty disappointed my ufc career so i don't know are you really yeah you have a down note dude you are you are you just because you're a perfectionist because you're constantly striving to improve yeah i should be world champion it's not good enough and i think that i everyone knows i'm the only threat to demetrius listen to you and you know it's i fucking molested him once on the ground i'll do it again i get my fucking hands on you i'm gonna i i i think that you know what i don't have the best pure jiu jitsu i don't have the best pure wrestling i don't have the best pure striking but when it comes to getting in a fucking fist fight and having it end up on the ground i'll fuck up anybody in my way class i don't think there's anybody who can do it want to scramble with me you want to you know with submissions and shit like that and punches i'll fuck you up what do you think that separates you what do you think it is oh man i don't want to sound like jean the bell too much but i get off on it you know It's, and it's maybe not as sexual as Gene Gine likes it to be, but I thoroughly enjoy fucking people up, man. It's a good time.

[451] It's, you know, I got...

[452] Always entertaining.

[453] I got a lot of pent -up aggression I like to perform.

[454] I think performing has become the biggest part.

[455] Just putting on a show.

[456] Yeah, and if someone's, you know, their well -being is at stake during that, I'm fuck, I'm sorry.

[457] Sorry, I'm not sorry.

[458] And what car do you on next?

[459] July 19th in Ireland.

[460] I'm fighting Brad Pickett.

[461] Finally.

[462] I get to fight an Englishman in Ireland, and I'm...

[463] I have a super, it's, well, it's Gaelic.

[464] It's, you know, it's Irish, Scottish Wales, I think is what Gaelic is.

[465] Oh, your last name?

[466] Yeah, it's Ian McCall.

[467] You don't get any more Irish than that, but sorry I'm not Irish.

[468] Yeah, they're going to be bummed out.

[469] Like, what the fuck, man?

[470] You're confusing us.

[471] We want to root for you.

[472] Yeah, seriously.

[473] You don't look Irish.

[474] You're Mexican or something.

[475] That's hilarious, man. That's a good fight, though.

[476] I love that fight.

[477] Brad Pickett's fun.

[478] He's a fun guy.

[479] I mean, we're going to get a bonus.

[480] Did Pickett fight fly weight yet?

[481] You once.

[482] Who would he fight?

[483] Neil Siri, the Irish guy.

[484] Did he win or lose?

[485] He won, but he looked like shit.

[486] Did he?

[487] Yeah, I mean, he...

[488] Tough weight cut?

[489] I think that's what was a big part of it.

[490] And, you know, you're supposed to be a boxer, and you get cracked, and you turn into a wrestler.

[491] But I'm not going to get a wrestle by an Englishman.

[492] That would be embarrassing, wouldn't it?

[493] Yeah, you know, but I talk shit, but I got fucking taken out by a Brazilian, so I've...

[494] I jumped into it.

[495] But so, again, I say stupid shit all the time.

[496] Yeah.

[497] You're comfortable with saying stupid shit.

[498] shit.

[499] Yeah, because it's entertainment.

[500] You know, I think people get butt hurt on Twitter that should I say, and I'm like, motherfucker, you got a problem, you can text me or something.

[501] Some people that I know have gotten hurt.

[502] The internet is filled with people that are not just butt hurt, but looking to be butt hurt.

[503] And I'm just playing the game.

[504] Yeah.

[505] People have said the most horrible shit to me online.

[506] I mean, with recent events, especially shit that's been said to me, I'm like, Jesus Christ, you guys are mean.

[507] Good thing I don't have feelings.

[508] If I had a heart, man, this would really suck.

[509] Not just mean, but mean, and they don't even know you.

[510] Like, it's not like they're angry at you and they're trying to get back to you because you did something to them that they can't forgive.

[511] It's like, no, you don't have any relationship with them at all.

[512] They just reach out to you and just try to shit on you because their life is fucking miserable.

[513] Have we ever met before?

[514] No. You're saying some shit that if you were in person, I'd break this fucking mug over your head and stick it in the neck.

[515] You want to fuck with me?

[516] I mean, like, for what?

[517] For what reason?

[518] Just to try to get a, just a rise out of you.

[519] To ruin my day.

[520] Well, it's because...

[521] They just want a response from you, because they don't have anything going on in their lives.

[522] And they just want to...

[523] Oh, I got your Rogan mad, and he said something to me. It's a big deal to them.

[524] It's definitely that.

[525] That's a fact, for sure.

[526] And that's a sure sign that you're a loser.

[527] Because that's something that winners don't do.

[528] I've always said that Michael Jordan is not leaving YouTube comments.

[529] No. He's not like shitting all over someone's fucking video.

[530] You know what I mean?

[531] The fucking song blows.

[532] I hope they're dying of fire.

[533] You know, that kind of...

[534] attitude is almost always perpetrated by losers and it's just a matter of thinking a certain way that you will constantly chase down an Ian McCall and shit all over him and try to hurt his feelings try to try to reach him online and try to recognize me I'm here I know things about you in a bad relationship I know about your relationship he's a fucking supposed to be a comedian and he called out Louis C .K. for a fight to fight Louis C. Who?

[535] Some fucking guy, I don't know his name.

[536] I don't...

[537] Fight Louis C .K. He wants to fight him and he called out me and he says, check this guy out calling out Louis C. And I was like, oh, so I retweeted it.

[538] And then I watched it.

[539] And I was like, is that you?

[540] You're a fucking douchebag.

[541] You're a horrible person.

[542] You're a piece of shit.

[543] And I'm sorry, I fucking retweeted that.

[544] But, like, you're the kind of guy that I'm going to fucking spit in my hand and slap you in the mouth with it.

[545] So he's calling out Louis C .K. Because Louis C .K. because he calls me out.

[546] I was like, do you know who the fuck you're talking to?

[547] Like, it's just weird.

[548] There's a lot of idiots out there.

[549] But those idiots think that that's the way that they can become famous.

[550] That's the way they can get a name.

[551] You know, Craig Carton?

[552] He used to do the MMA uncensored show.

[553] He is, everybody hates the guy because he's like a New York loudmouth, like radio host.

[554] And everybody hates him, and we were doing a shoot.

[555] I was on the show, and he's actually a nice guy in real life.

[556] And he goes, not one time with all the hate I get has anyone in real life in person ever said anything to me. I go, really?

[557] He goes, not once.

[558] And he is hated.

[559] Not like there are some people out there that don't like you and me, Joe.

[560] I'm talking like most people don't like Craig Carton.

[561] He's like an obnoxious New York.

[562] And they don't.

[563] Most people I talk to a letter, MMA fans like you a lot.

[564] They think you do really well.

[565] But, yeah, there are some people that just get fucking universally hated.

[566] There's some people.

[567] I talk to a lot of people that fucking hate John Jones, you know.

[568] And they're talking to me about how John Jones is hated.

[569] All my friends hate John Jones.

[570] He's so fucking cocky.

[571] And I'm like, let me help you out here.

[572] Here's what's going on.

[573] you know and i know that john jones is awesome and that's one of the things that's bothering you is that john jones knows he's awesome does he do things that are debatable yeah he got in an accident with a bentley when he was drunk with a bunch of strippers in his car sounds to me like he was having a good time he's young and dumb the end of a night you can't get mad at that a lot of us have had so what do you mad at the fact that he thinks he's going to win every fight guess what he won every fight so he's job you know like what do you mad at i don't understand you're mad that he's ducking gustavson He wanted to fight Daniel fucking Cormier Olympic wrestler Undefeated both as a heavyweight And as a light heavyweight A guy who's been running through people Destroyed Dan Henderson He wants to fight him And you think he's a coward Yeah That makes a lot of sense People are fucking stupid Look the simple The simple phrase of Go ahead and explain yourself Yeah tears most people completely No just take that Take that logic a bit further I just want to hear you Express it one piece at a time Also And everything falls apart The other thing that fucks people up is the platform of being able to do like a Twitter post or a blog entry or, you know, anything where you're not addressing a human.

[574] A person's not challenging what you say.

[575] Like if you're saying something, even if you're saying something to me, if you're not talking to John Jones, you're saying something to me that doesn't make any sense.

[576] I go, wait, hold on.

[577] What?

[578] I'll stop you at the first paragraph and go, that's not even true.

[579] That doesn't make sense.

[580] Well, here's why.

[581] but instead they get to just blah blah blah blah through a whole entire blog entry and justify their thoughts or unchecked and by the end of it you know somebody reads it they'll get angry they'll have all these opinions on it but it would have never happened if they were interacting with someone there was an experiment at Stanford University where they put people in masks and had them shock people and what it is at a control group where one subject didn't have masks on and they were behind this glass and they were shocking people when they would answer questions certain way.

[582] Then they took a group of people and put masks on them and did the same experiment and people would hit the button like incessantly when they wouldn't even ask a question they would just shock them.

[583] As soon as they became anonymous they would hit that fucking thing when they said the right answer when they didn't even talk in and they realized when you make people and this is like 1972 and they realize when you make people anonymous they will do horrible shit incessantly and as soon as they put masks on they would hit the shock button constantly throughout the experiment.

[584] Why do you think the KKK wore masks?

[585] Yeah.

[586] People are shitty.

[587] People could be really fucking shitty.

[588] But also awesome.

[589] You know?

[590] People are pretty fucking awesome.

[591] All my favorite people are people.

[592] The way I look at it personally, that's a good fucking way.

[593] That's a great statement.

[594] My favorite people are animals.

[595] I'm throwing that out there right now.

[596] I like pets and shit.

[597] I'm into monkeys and shit.

[598] Yeah.

[599] Because monkeys do have shit.

[600] They do have shit and they fling it.

[601] My thing is, like, I like, Like, you know, if I like something, I'm a reasonable, normal human being, and I don't like pickles, and I like the Pittsburgh Steelers, I've never gone online and talked about either one of those subjects.

[602] Most people that like something, or don't like, just go, oh, yeah, I'm like, you know, Jimmy Smith's all right.

[603] They're not going to get on a forum and yell about me. It's the vast majority of people that like something and just enjoy it generally don't make a big deal about it.

[604] We're talking to a very slender part of the population.

[605] that it's just loud and obnoxious about stuff.

[606] Yeah, no matter what you do.

[607] They all have a fucking computer in the smartphone.

[608] Right.

[609] So every asshole has a fucking voice now online.

[610] Everybody's got an opinion.

[611] This thing about being anonymous to be able to reach people, this is unprecedented in human culture.

[612] It's never happened before.

[613] So people don't know how to fucking deal with it.

[614] They don't know how to manage it.

[615] It's just, it's not an ability that anybody's ever had in history.

[616] So this ability is something that's going to take a long time for people to manage and use.

[617] And I think what's going to change it more than anything is it's somewhere along the line, we're going to lose an anonymity.

[618] I think everyone's going to know who everyone else is.

[619] You're going to be accountable.

[620] So at the NSA.

[621] Yeah.

[622] It's exactly.

[623] Like if you're doing death threats to the government, they know who you are immediately.

[624] You could try to hide behind a proxy, but if you're, they're going to find you.

[625] They're going to find you really quickly.

[626] And ultimately, that kind of ability is going to trickle down to the common man. Everyone's going to have that ability to do.

[627] And the world is going to know that you're a cunt for doing that, too.

[628] Have you found out, like, you remember that Reddit thing that happened a while back where there was a guy who would post all kinds of fucked up shit on Reddit?

[629] And he, like, creep shots, like upskirt shots and stuff and underage shots and all this different weird, creepy shit.

[630] And then they found out who he was in real life.

[631] And they contacted his employer and showed him all the stuff that he put online.

[632] They fired that fucking guy.

[633] It could.

[634] And the guy had, like, a wife and kids and the whole deal and, you know, like lost his job.

[635] and got outed on the internet.

[636] And, you know, millions of people hated that guy after that.

[637] So many people got a hold of the articles and retweeted things and Facebook did.

[638] And it was a big issue, a big issue about freedom of speech and privacy, but also a big issue about outing fuckheads.

[639] Yeah.

[640] Good.

[641] Fuck them.

[642] Yep.

[643] Yeah.

[644] Fuck them all.

[645] Fuck them all, says Ian McCall.

[646] That rhymes.

[647] That rhymes really well.

[648] So the fights are over, gentlemen.

[649] I guess the podcast is over, too.

[650] This has been a great time.

[651] Yes.

[652] It has been, man. It's a good, fucking fun three hours.

[653] We put this together this afternoon, too.

[654] Yeah, I got to call it's after what you're doing tonight.

[655] Like, nothing, bro.

[656] What's going on?

[657] He was like, I am there.

[658] I am there.

[659] Yeah, this is a lot of fun, man. One, my seat, man, I'll be there.

[660] And I really wanted to do it with you, too, because I don't know how many people know that we were really friendly with each other.

[661] Yeah.

[662] You know, despite the fact that we're supposed to be some...

[663] We're supposed to knock, I guess we're supposed to be rivals or some shit are knocking along.

[664] Well, it's because the whole Bjorn, Dana thing.

[665] That's so goofy to me. It's, you know, when I was talking, I mean, the way I see it is, if there's a rivalry between the U .S. and Belator, at what level does that really happen?

[666] Like, when I see Kenny or you, it's like, hey, what's, like, we're peers.

[667] We do the same job.

[668] We like, hey, how's it going, man?

[669] We talk about fights or whatever.

[670] And, you know, I know, I know a lot of the technical people that have worked on both shows.

[671] It's not like they don't get along.

[672] It's not the director sees my director and starts a fight or something.

[673] Fuck you.

[674] Yeah, it doesn't might work that way.

[675] It's really, you know, it's funny.

[676] I ran as some dudes last night.

[677] Industry's not so small.

[678] Like Frosty, man. I love that.

[679] guy.

[680] Yeah, great guy.

[681] He's a great guy.

[682] It's my boy.

[683] I love him.

[684] I ran into some guys last night that are just jujitsu guys, and we talk jujitsu until 2 o 'clock in the fucking morning.

[685] That's like when you run into someone who likes what you like and you start talking, like, I mean, I don't understand.

[686] I don't know.

[687] I've never understood that, though.

[688] I've support other people's podcasts.

[689] I've always supported other comedians.

[690] I just, I don't, I don't see that.

[691] I think the main competition is always with yourself.

[692] And when you bring in someone else who's good or you have someone around you that's good and you have to compare yourself to them, I think it makes you better.

[693] So I think it's important.

[694] Very true.

[695] You see that a lot in MMA, man. How many times you see guys that are training, they're in the same goddamn weight class, and they're helping each other out, and you know that one day they might have to fight each other.

[696] Like, Yariah and T .J. Dillshaw.

[697] After Yariah loses to Henan Borough, he says, hey, you know, there's a guy in my camp.

[698] I'd love to see him fight for the title next.

[699] I love to see him.

[700] I love to see T .J. Dillshaw get a shot.

[701] Same fucking weight class, beating each other's asses every day and still supporting him.

[702] That's fucking, that's a, Brotherhood right there.

[703] That's where it's at, right?

[704] Community's not that big.

[705] I think that's what people don't get is community is not that big.

[706] No. We all know one another.

[707] At least there's like two degrees of separation in this entire sport.

[708] Maybe.

[709] How many of us are there?

[710] Not a lot of us out there.

[711] Jason Chambers, who's a friend of mine who does one FC.

[712] There's you.

[713] Jimmy Smith.

[714] Who I fought Jason Chambers.

[715] Like it's just like there's only one degree of separation and you guys both had a TV show where you're traveling around doing different martial arts.

[716] He did human weapon.

[717] I did Fight Quest.

[718] He called me, sent me a message as soon as Feikwis came out and goes, hey, man, great to see you on TV, man. Hope we get to hang out soon.

[719] I was like, hey, good luck with your thing too, bro.

[720] Yeah.

[721] Jason's a great.

[722] It's like, what?

[723] We're going to, you know, we're going to, you know, fight over again, we already did once.

[724] So you're like, it's ridiculous.

[725] It doesn't work that way.

[726] No, you know?

[727] Anthony Bourdain and Andrews Zimmerman.

[728] Yeah, they're going to, like, they have a brawl.

[729] I'm the only one of those cooks, you fucking cuckin.

[730] What are you traveling?

[731] You beat your shit.

[732] I mean, how many of us are there?

[733] Now there's a couple of fighters to do it, Kenny and Brian Stan, and Frank Mirr used to do it until what he said, he wanted to kill Brock Lesnar in the ring.

[734] Yeah.

[735] Oh, first MMA death in ring.

[736] Not smart.

[737] Well, not the smart, but still, I don't think it's like, you know, the guy's a great commentator.

[738] He was really good.

[739] Yeah, I thought it was.

[740] I enjoyed his commentary.

[741] But, I mean, there's only, the point being, there's maybe 10 of us worldwide.

[742] I mean, I don't know who does that Indian promotion.

[743] Do you still have that Indian promotion?

[744] Super Fight League?

[745] Something.

[746] I know there's one was big for a little while.

[747] The Arab Emirates.

[748] The UAE.

[749] UAE.

[750] One of my buddies is fighting out there soon.

[751] Is it a new organization?

[752] I think so.

[753] You know how much money they have.

[754] It's hard to think of any job where there are fewer people doing it than MMA commentary.

[755] There are a dozen of us in the whole world.

[756] I never thought about that.

[757] That's fucking.

[758] Like how many jobs are there?

[759] Yeah, there are 10 of us.

[760] Yeah, no shit.

[761] I mean, CEO, there's, you know, several hundred.

[762] That was why, you know.

[763] We can run in each where there.

[764] into each other and talk ship, talk shop rather.

[765] Just what we do, generally.

[766] How many of us are there?

[767] That's interesting.

[768] Yeah, it's probably as far as...

[769] Dozens of us?

[770] They do major promotions that anyone has seen.

[771] President of the United States is probably, you know, that's a singular pursuit.

[772] That's a biggie.

[773] When you run into former presidents, you're fucking, but there's a former presidents.

[774] As far as people doing the job currently, man, yeah.

[775] Yeah.

[776] I guess boxing commentators, but there's probably way more of them.

[777] Yeah.

[778] Yeah, there's just more boxing on TV, too.

[779] Well, they always do more guys, too.

[780] Like, I was listening to some boxing last night, and there was like four guys talking.

[781] Like three -man booths, which I don't like in M .M .A. But they do them in boxing.

[782] Well, it can fuck up, especially if, you know, you got too many people talking over each other when action happens or they don't, like, specific roles.

[783] Like, especially when it comes to, I think you and I both do something very different than other sports, too, where there's a color guy and a play -by -play.

[784] But we both do play -by -play.

[785] we do color but we also do play by play especially when shit goes to the ground because the play by play guy doesn't really know what the fuck is happening well they do a little but you kind of have to do that where you have to explain every nuance of the position and then start to explain what could be bad if this happens and what could be good if that happens or MMA is a color medium it's Jeff Blattnick who I love love Jeff Blatnick he was I thought he was great as a wrestling he was a great guy too I love that too I love that too being.

[786] When he started doing color commentary for the UFC, it became a color medium just because if you watch boxing, my mom knows what's happening in boxing match.

[787] I mean, they would ask Emmanuel Stewart little stuff or, you know, it was George Foreman for a while with HBO.

[788] But the play -by -play guy, that's the voice of HBO is Jim Lampley, basically.

[789] With MMA, color guys have to talk a lot more just because there's a lot more the audience doesn't know.

[790] The audience has never done jujitsu.

[791] The audience has never done moitai.

[792] The audience knows boxing a little bit.

[793] They've never wrestled.

[794] So there's so many facets that the fans have just never been a part of that we have to break down and explain.

[795] And I think it's made it, the color guys have to do a lot more in MMA than they do in boxing, a lot more.

[796] Yeah, it's a completely different gig.

[797] And that's also, it's also a gig that would be really cumbersome with a bunch of people talking.

[798] Yeah.

[799] If you had like three or four people in the booth.

[800] We've done three in the UFC before, but it didn't work that well.

[801] and Dana didn't like it and so they went back to two Yeah, it's brief The times I've done in Belta They'll have a guy Like somebody jump in for a round or two Yeah, I think what would be cool Yeah I think what would be cool As a guy doing the Harold Letterman gig Though that Eddie Bravo used to do Yeah You know Eddie's too busy these days He wouldn't do it But someone who's like a real experience guy Like a, you know That would be a good thing to do Like to have like a Dominic Cruz Or you know Someone along that lines Who's really good at breaking things down It's very analytical Give some I think it would help give people some insight and also give some insight as to really what's wrong with the scoring where you could see if you get a real expert it breaks down exactly what they thought about each individual aspect of the fight and then you see in contrast how shitty the judge's perceptions of the fight were yeah I'd probably say sign me up but I'd probably say some stupid shit you would definitely say some stupid shit I would say some dumb shit well you know what I'd like I like that Josh Barnett has a blog now or has a podcast now I think you know you'd be great at something like that too man we've thought about it i've had a few people kind of hit me up about it we have a business called uh direct endorsement where we do live streaming for only for an hour and we take an athlete not just fighting but fighting skateboarding motocross whatever it is they pick a charity we pick a product say it's this mug everyone buys the mug we as we're doing the the you know the the podcast that person's signing while we're talking asking questions we get into what the charity is and it's just it's you know Like, whatever percentage they want, usually 20 % goes to the charity they pick.

[802] Oh, that's very cool.

[803] It's a cool little thing.

[804] We only had three of them.

[805] We did myself.

[806] We did Greg Lutska for skateboarding and Kyle Loza from motocross.

[807] And we'd like to, you know, get on the ball and start doing more.

[808] We might do Donald Logue for acting and just some, you know, just to kind of, just to hit different surfaces just because I don't have, I don't really hang out with fighters that much.

[809] Yeah, no, that's interesting.

[810] So, like, you only hang out with fighters when you're training when you get outside of training.

[811] Yeah, I mean, realistically, I only hang out people at the gym.

[812] If I'm not at the gym, I'm at home with my kid.

[813] But a lot of people that are fighters find that they're the only people that understand them, that other fighters, like, it's such a crazy lifestyle, the training is so brutal.

[814] It's almost like you need someone to commiserate with, or you need someone who understands what you're going through.

[815] You don't feel like that?

[816] I do, but I don't want to talk about it.

[817] I want to just fucking forget about it.

[818] I want to hang out with my kid and my girlfriend and her kid and just, not have to worry about the fucking misery that I put myself through.

[819] Right.

[820] For greatness, you know, it's a lot of fun.

[821] I love my job.

[822] Don't get me wrong, but I usually don't want to talk about it, you know, unless it's something like this.

[823] So you preserve your interest in it?

[824] Yeah, because otherwise, you know, I do, I've been watching more fights lately now that I, you know, me and my dad live together and that's fucking all he does.

[825] My daughter loves watching fights.

[826] That's hilarious.

[827] A two -and -a -half -year -old loves watching fights.

[828] And she knows, you know, she sees, you know, Uncle Shane's on the TV, you know, this person's on the TV.

[829] There's Romy.

[830] There's, you know, coach or whatever.

[831] Wow.

[832] That is cute.

[833] Um, when you, when you're in between camps, like, say, like, after a fight and you don't have anything scheduled for a while, how much time do you spend training and working on things and how much is just, just decompressing?

[834] I live a very active lifestyle.

[835] Like, everything I do is outdoors.

[836] You know, I'm in Tahoe, Reno a lot.

[837] It's high altitude, so we're always going on hikes and I'm always doing, you know, high altitude beakerum with my, you know, girlfriend.

[838] And, and, you know, And we just, she doesn't let me fucking sit still.

[839] Like, she always has something to do with the kids or with me and her or fucking, even if we're traveling, like went to Costa Rica for a surf trip.

[840] So we surfed and went jungle hiking and tried to find fucking sloss and monkeys and shit.

[841] You know, so it's like, it keeps my attention going and I'm always fit, you know?

[842] That's cool.

[843] That's a cool vacation.

[844] Yeah.

[845] Except for the diseases and the bugs that can kill you.

[846] See any of those?

[847] Oh, everything wants to kill you down there.

[848] Everything in Costa Rica wants to kill you, right?

[849] Yeah.

[850] I mean, it's not like you go to Hawaii like I went to Hilo I hung out BJ and we went to WIPO I'm looking around like where's your bugs yeah well there's fucking mosquitoes but besides that I'm like there's nothing here that wants to kill me even the mosquitoes I think came from people they brought him over on boats and shit you know he's like no bra he's cool you know we're just gonna hang out and you know farm some farm some taro okay bj's been there his whole life and still trains there that's crazy yeah we we finished building the gym in ypeo his little dojo.

[851] I call him my Miyagi.

[852] And then he one morning, like, woke up.

[853] It's like, hey, bro.

[854] I want to go bless the gym?

[855] Like, yeah.

[856] It's like, all right, grab your shit, let's go.

[857] And we just fucking drove to YPO and he's got a, you know, little shitty old truck.

[858] He doesn't care about and drives it through the river and it's got no, no, electrical's been shorted, so it's no, no radio or anything.

[859] He just drives through the most fucking beautiful country you can.

[860] And then we go in there and we just beat the shit out of each other.

[861] For, you know, half an hour We had some shirtless fucking hippie dude Doing the time for us We used to like wrestle in high school It was all stocky So can you just tell us when five minutes is up Okay, ready, go How many people live in Hilo?

[862] Oh, I have no idea.

[863] Not that many, right?

[864] Like 30 ,000 or something crazy?

[865] Probably.

[866] Because just the Big Island itself, not a lot of people live in the Big Island.

[867] No, and the Big Island's fucking huge.

[868] Yeah, I think the Big Island only has 100 ,000 people on it.

[869] Probably, and I mean, it's, it's desolate it and on the big island alone there's like every single climate in the world except for like one or two it's it's it's it's there's so much going on there it's so fucking beautiful you look you feel like you're in drastic park yeah and especially getting to hang out with him it's yeah he's a fucking savage man it's it's a good time what do you think about this fight with him and frankie edgar he like i said when i was out there this was a while ago two months ago or something he was 160 pounds i got tired first and i don't i don't get fucking tired I mean, granted, I just tore my hip and my groin, but I still don't get tired much.

[870] And he was, I still stayed in shape.

[871] And, I mean, he fucking, he was going after me for a half an hour.

[872] Wow.

[873] And I was just like, after, I was like, wow, I'm fucking, I'm excited.

[874] Because he, it's my favorite fighter of all time.

[875] I mean, he's a fucking savage.

[876] When you can make another man cry, another man who deserves a title shot at your title, and you can beat him up so bad that he cries, and then you fucking lick his blood off your gloves and bang your head after her.

[877] I like I like you.

[878] Oh, the Joe Stevenson The problem is I'm throwing the counter here Is that he's always had trouble With fights where he wasn't on top Is this mentally when the ball starts rolling the other way It rolls bad The momentum goes the other way for him And so Edgar's a guy You gotta outwork And that's, it hasn't always been physical with BJ It's when I'm not on top And I'm not dominating When I'm not licking the guy's blood off my hands I start questioning myself And I start rolling backwards And if he's got those mental demons in check, then he's got a great shot it's the same Frankie Edgar always shows up and that's 100 % consistent so consistent so hard BJ was so good when he's with the Marinovich's when he fought Diego Sanchez he was in incredible shape he had a fucking full six pack I mean he was in shape and chasing after Diego deep into the fight fourth and fifth round going ahead head kicked him sliced him open that was the only time BJ's ever thrown a head kick in a fight fucking landed perfectly you know I mean that was a that was him at his best because he had tremendous stamina.

[879] Do you know what he's doing now for strength and conditioning?

[880] I'm farming.

[881] Farming?

[882] What are we doing?

[883] We're going to go farm.

[884] Manual labor.

[885] I don't need fucking strengthening.

[886] We don't need strength and conditioning.

[887] Do you really say that?

[888] We just built roads in YPO and fucking farm taro and beat the shit out of each other.

[889] Build roads?

[890] We built like a fucking, and like with like a unimog you know like Mercedes unimogs, you can put a fucking additioning around the back and like tics no i don't know what a utomog is a big uh like a tractor kind of vehicle big mercedes unamog he's got three of them out there and he has a farm yeah he's got a farm and you go into white peel valley and it's there i mean not even a hundred people live there and it's this huge fucking garden of eden i mean it's massive and it's so beautiful and just there's nothing there is he growing weed i wish what's he farmman tarrow you know if you say if you say it quietly into a mic they can still hear you it makes Only if you bring it up.

[891] What is he?

[892] What is tarot again?

[893] Terro is, they're trying to make it.

[894] They're trying to make it the Hawaiian superfood.

[895] A tarot, and it's, it's a really starchy, starchy vegetable that, you know, that's why Hawaiians punch so hard.

[896] That's what they tell me. From taro?

[897] Yeah.

[898] My first fight was in Hawaii.

[899] I've never heard of taro before.

[900] How have I never heard of this before?

[901] It tastes like, like, like, bland as fuck.

[902] Put sugar in it and it tastes like sugar.

[903] But it's supposed to give you superpowers.

[904] Hmm.

[905] You know, it's, it's.

[906] I've had it before.

[907] I don't remember where, but I've had it before, yeah.

[908] What's, what's your impression of it?

[909] It's like a, like a, like a more bland kind of yam.

[910] Yeah.

[911] Is it the best way to describe it?

[912] Huh.

[913] Yeah.

[914] But it's super the soupy, like goat, gooey.

[915] Huh.

[916] It's weird.

[917] They mashed it up.

[918] I had it matched up with something.

[919] It was like a tarot kind of stew.

[920] Is it supposed to be good for you?

[921] Like, actually, like, well, yeah, it looks like a yam.

[922] That's it.

[923] It's supposed to be good for you.

[924] It's fucking weird and purple.

[925] That's a Unimog, too, for you.

[926] That's a Unimog.

[927] Oh, okay.

[928] So the local Does anybody else eat it?

[929] Is it anything like You know everybody's eating like Bok choy now is the new kale Everybody's telling you You gotta get a hold of some bok choy Everybody eats poe in Hawaii Yeah But you know Hawaiians are fucking They believe in like mermaids and shit Bro, they're fucking They're crazy They're crazy people I can't believe And I love the death Don't give me wrong I love Hawaiians I do too They're my favorite fucking people on the planet Like That's the only place I vacation I lived with two fucking Hawaiians for, you know, I live with Shane and Rich, Rich, who, you know, Rich, he used to run Strike Force.

[930] He was, to be the matchmaker for Strike Force.

[931] And they're both fucking Hawaiian.

[932] And then, I don't know, I just really like fucking Hawaiian.

[933] I try to vacation other places.

[934] I'm like, this isn't as good as Hawaii.

[935] Why am I going anywhere where Hawaii is right there?

[936] It's going to Hawaii.

[937] Yeah, it's cheap.

[938] Well, it's kind of cheap.

[939] It's still America, but it's not, you know?

[940] It's like you're protected by the Constitution, allegedly.

[941] Go to BJs and go, have him take you to YPO, and you feel like you're in French Polynesia or something.

[942] Because the people talking, you're just like, oh me tinkum go buy some fish you know fuck around smoke some weed bro it's cool you're like what did he just say that english you're a phrase book that pigeon way of talking right and then bj starts rattling off stuff and then you start drinking you know like homemade sake down in the valley and then you just it just turns into it right man chote food yeah what plate lunches chote man chop food how am i supposed to fucking make weight with this this is delicious but it's it's not on my diet yeah i remember one of the one of the uh countdown shows It was BJ when he was, he had apparently burned off too many calories, he said, so it's time to load up.

[943] So we had one of those local moko burgers with an egg on it and everything.

[944] And you get fucking, get your Mac salad and your fucking chicken katsu or whatever.

[945] And it's just, you know, they are island people.

[946] They're fucking crazy.

[947] And it's just so entertaining to hang out with them.

[948] Just go out there and I'm like, oh my God, okay, what are we doing today?

[949] Do you think you could live there, though?

[950] Yeah, but like BJ, I want to move to Reno.

[951] You know, and that's pretty, just, you know, because it's...

[952] You might be the only guy on the planet that wants to move to me there.

[953] I've never heard, I want to move to Reno.

[954] I think I've never heard that expression in my life.

[955] I want to move to Reno.

[956] And it's fucking...

[957] Your girlfriend lives there?

[958] Yeah.

[959] Oh, okay.

[960] Well, then I would move.

[961] Yeah.

[962] But it's, you know, it's wilderness enough where you're, I mean, you've fucking seen Nevada, parts of Nevada, and you're like, where the fuck am I. Right.

[963] Yeah.

[964] There's parts of Nevada where they have crazy elk hunting.

[965] Yeah.

[966] Where they're bugling elks, and you hear these elk's like, fucking.

[967] 1 ,200 -pound beasts come rolling over the hill 30 and 40 of them at a time.

[968] Her cousins are all trappers and hunters out there.

[969] They're like the two of the best young guys out there.

[970] Isn't that funny that people don't think about that when they think of Nevada?

[971] You think of only Vegas and then nuclear waste.

[972] The safari club is the biggest fucking hunting club in the world.

[973] Incredible nature out in Nevada.

[974] Yeah.

[975] Oh, especially up near Lake Tahoe.

[976] Taho is, it's fucking 7 ,000 feet.

[977] And you go hiking and you go running and do whatever the fuck you want to do, you get in shape quick.

[978] Yeah, and it's just beautiful too.

[979] It's inspiring.

[980] how beautiful it is, man. Yeah.

[981] My grandparents have a spot right on the lake down there, and it's, it's fucking incredible.

[982] I mean, it is so nice, and, you know, I just pull into Grandpa's yard and go down on the dock and just like, oh.

[983] And plus, you know, my girlfriend, she's the face of Harrison Harvey's up there.

[984] What is that?

[985] She's the big hotels up there.

[986] Oh, I see, I see.

[987] They pay her to just fucking stand around.

[988] Oh, that's cool.

[989] So, it's a sweet gig.

[990] Yeah, it doesn't suck.

[991] Isn't it all methed out up there, though?

[992] Isn't Reno kind of messed out?

[993] There's parts of Reno that are shit.

[994] Don't came me wrong.

[995] There is Reno 9 -1 there.

[996] But if you go to the river, without the madcap hilarity, like...

[997] The free fun, if you go to the free fun, like the river, and people have blow -up mattresses going down and shit, but if you can just, you know, say that's hilarious and then kind of, you know, have your own life, do your own thing.

[998] Right.

[999] I just like seclusion.

[1000] I'm becoming more secluded.

[1001] And again, back to, like, BJ has, he'll go stir crazy, and then he'll go train over here.

[1002] He'll go train in Brazil.

[1003] And he gets away, and you get away from your family and kids.

[1004] Right, yeah.

[1005] Yeah.

[1006] Yeah, I think that also, too, you live in a place in Orange County that is super congested.

[1007] There's so many people down there.

[1008] Yeah, I'm not a fan of that either.

[1009] So when you go somewhere else, like you take a place where, like, Reno, which is just, especially near Tahoe, where it's just all nature and beautiful.

[1010] And you feel like, you relax.

[1011] You're not stuck in traffic for 20 minutes.

[1012] You're going to go two miles in 20 minutes.

[1013] I mean, that's a, if you're in Vegas and, you know, you're trying to.

[1014] go down the strip and you're trying to go from one in the strip to the other end on a Friday night.

[1015] Good fucking luck.

[1016] You know, it might take you, you know, hours.

[1017] And that's every day in Orange County.

[1018] Every day.

[1019] I mean, you can go, you can get traffic in Orange County at 4 o 'clock in the morning.

[1020] You can somehow or another run into traffic.

[1021] That's why I got here an hour early because I never know.

[1022] I was in fucking Irvine and I'm like, oh, I got to go now.

[1023] I don't know.

[1024] I mean, it's, yeah, when I texted you, I think it was like two in the afternoon.

[1025] I'm like, I wonder if that's enough time for him to get out here.

[1026] Yeah, seriously.

[1027] Yeah, it's so fucking stupid.

[1028] So you go to a place like Reno and you feel that nature and you go, I could live like this, though.

[1029] Yeah.

[1030] I got a fucking, I was a hot girlfriend.

[1031] I got, you know, she got a cute kid.

[1032] I got a cute kid.

[1033] And cost of living is super low.

[1034] And all I need is a nice little all -wheel drive, you know, Subaru or something, or Audi and just hit that fucking Kingsbury grade.

[1035] Wah, blah, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, you know.

[1036] Drive fast.

[1037] Would you train up there?

[1038] Yeah, I would.

[1039] my training camps down in in uh orange county still but if i could just get away and i mean there there is gyms up there what what is there are high level gyms there's a uh there's uh reno or nevada moitai which is i think the best gym up there um and they have charles gracie jitzu so they got some good oh that's nice and that's all in reno yeah and how many people live in reno uh it's getting bigger and it's getting i mean like the food's getting really good really and yeah there's and my girlfriend like I said is kind of the face of the area and she's always around other hot that's what I get to see I get to see hot women all the time because she runs a promotional company so I go up this is all kind of coming together slowly I get it yeah I understand I want to reno I didn't get it the caliber of ass that comes out of even her little town of Minden is fucking incredible I'm like wow this place is great that's interesting because I think of it's biased of course but I think I've never been to Reno but I think of Reno I might have been to Reno but I don't remember it but I think of Doug Stanhope recorded a CD there once, because Doug likes to go to fucked up places and record things.

[1040] He did one of them in Oslo, Norway.

[1041] Like, I don't know why fuck he did that.

[1042] They barely even understood what he was saying.

[1043] But he recorded his first CD in Reno, and the voice that's chalked off on a list of places I don't need to go to.

[1044] Listen to that CD, I'm like, yeah, I don't need to go there.

[1045] It's changed very recently where it's becoming cool.

[1046] It's becoming kind of Portland -ish, but minus the fucking douchey, let's save the world kind of shit.

[1047] When did that happen?

[1048] Recently, super recently.

[1049] Like how many years?

[1050] Past five years maybe.

[1051] What caused it?

[1052] People probably realized.

[1053] People realize that we're fucking everything up and we're douchebags and everyone's like, okay, but it's just, it's so outdoorsy and it's so, it's, it's still got the fucking casinos and they're starting to become nicer.

[1054] But there's always something going on.

[1055] The only other guy I know that lives in Reno is my friend Remy, who's, he's, there's a show called Solo Hunters.

[1056] Yeah.

[1057] Where he goes hunting by him, he's a guide, and he's kind of a famous hunter, and he goes by himself and just brings, like, these cameras and go -pros and shit and films everything, and then edits it all together, these crazy, crazy hunts that he goes on.

[1058] I want to kill something with a sword.

[1059] That is possible, but not likely.

[1060] You're really good with the sword?

[1061] Yes.

[1062] I got a black belt in Sansu when I was younger, Kung Fu Sansu.

[1063] So I was just good with weapons.

[1064] It was all, like, thrite strokes and groin shit, and, like, I was just good with a weapon.

[1065] Have you ever, like, put on the kendo gear and done that?

[1066] No. That looks fun.

[1067] That doesn't want to beat the shit out of each other with pillows on your body.

[1068] Well, I think it looks like...

[1069] Oh, you're the end of Kendo sticks.

[1070] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1071] David Lee Roth moved to Japan, and he practices Kendo all day.

[1072] He does Kendo every day.

[1073] Well, it's because he's David Lee Roth.

[1074] He's a gangster.

[1075] Yeah.

[1076] He's fucking awesome.

[1077] Diamond Dave, dude.

[1078] Fucking high kicking and shit.

[1079] Took his dog.

[1080] Yeah, took his dog, got on a fucking plane at, like, what, 60?

[1081] Is he 60?

[1082] Moved to fucking Japan.

[1083] He's taking Kendo less.

[1084] Under some great fucking samurai warrior character.

[1085] They tried to do it for Fight Quest.

[1086] That was one of the ones that they tried to do.

[1087] And apparently the association is unbelievably strict.

[1088] Really?

[1089] It isn't like, oh, we have our Kendall School.

[1090] We do what we want.

[1091] No, it's like the hierarchy is very, very rigid.

[1092] And they were like, no fuck him.

[1093] I just want a pig to run at me and just soon, and then just have it slide.

[1094] Yeah, that was being the fucking, you do not want a pig to run at you.

[1095] Those motherfuckers, when we were at Tahoe Ranch when I was pig hunting, they had a skull.

[1096] from this one really big boar that they killed.

[1097] It was a 450 -pound boar, and the fucking teeth were, like, two fingers, and they were sticking out like this, these tusks, and they would tell you that they run by you.

[1098] They just run at you, and literally tear at the side of you with these tusks.

[1099] They use these tusks almost like as...

[1100] You remember those carts, those chariots?

[1101] They used to have those wheels with the blades sticking off of them.

[1102] That's what the hogs do.

[1103] They run by you and just slice you up.

[1104] They will fuck you up.

[1105] I'll rethinking my idea.

[1106] Yeah, you don't want a sword Always best with the rifle Yeah, rifles to move for pig Bone arrow is good But there's a very small window To get a bore with a bone arrow Jared Allen with a fucking spear Well they have difficult organs to reach And they also have an incredibly dense upper body Like their upper body The thick skin around their neck and cape It's like it literally is like some sort of Like a shield that they're wearing Like we touched they When I was in camp There was a I killed a female pig, but there was a guy there that killed a big boar, and they were explaining to me, this is why shot placement is critical when it comes to archery, like, touch this, and it was like a saddle, like a horse saddle.

[1107] That's what it felt like around the neck, because they're constantly cutting each other up and fucking each other up.

[1108] So they have like this thick meat all around their body.

[1109] Can you eat that meat, or is that just the shit?

[1110] Fuck, yeah.

[1111] I was going to say it's got to be good.

[1112] Well, the pork is very good.

[1113] I love wild pork.

[1114] I love wild boar.

[1115] That's awesome.

[1116] Especially smoked.

[1117] I smoked a ham, and I'm telling you, it's one of the best things I've ever eat and it was delicious and super healthy much healthier than a pig that you'd get in a grocery store because these pigs are just eating acorns and they're running around they're real muscular so it's like a dense rich dark protein super good for you man their meats all oxygenated and fucking if you wind up going up to reno you'll get a lot of elk there's a lot of elk up in reno there's a lot of people that have you know a lot of hunters up there too yeah I'd want to go kill it myself I would just go with my girlfriend's cousins they fucking that's their thing one of them took me fishing over the winter out to the rivers he's like yeah throw it there and I missed no no throw it right there and I missed again he's like give me that threw right in the spot and caught a fish did he see it or you just know where the pool was he saw it and I mean he's like we're driving by and he's like we're driving from the highway and it's 100 feet down to see the river and he's like oh you see the fish coming up like no man he's driving yeah we're driving in his train to the road bitch he's like you see that I don't fucking get your fucking eyes off the river I'm like I don't know man so he went down there and he just wherever he tells you put it if you can let once you land it in that exact spot you pull in a fucking fish i'm like how many times you caught that fish he'll look at it and be like maybe not this one i don't know and then like he's like i've seen fish with you know talon marks on on that i've caught before talon marks from an eagle yeah there's a bunch up in real oh fuck yeah there's a bunch up down that area wow i've seen like 10 in one spot in tahoe no shit my god my grandparents have had spots all over the lake but like right on the lake so you just sit in their backyard and the fucking in the winter especially because it's all white you know you can just see the These big, fucking birds.

[1118] I saw my first live eagle last summer in Alaska.

[1119] Really?

[1120] It's incredible.

[1121] Alaska's fucking amazing.

[1122] It flew over our boat.

[1123] Me and my friend Ari Shafir, we went up there fishing, and we did a gig up there.

[1124] Fucking had a great time.

[1125] But when we were taking the boat to the spot on the river, these fucking eagle flew over our head.

[1126] It's huge eagle.

[1127] Just woof, woof.

[1128] Big ass fucking legs and shit tucked up inside big, fucking talons.

[1129] There's such big birds, man. About to fucking snatch you up.

[1130] take you home just looking for the same shit I'm looking for trying to steal some salmon but they're so big and there's so many of them you see them up there the people say they're like pigeons like they think of them as like pigeons a nuisance bird yeah yeah the american eagle god damn it our national bird is a nuisance bird that's a problem too because if it got if they got so overpopulated they would never get so overpopulated in america or down i mean Alaska's not really America it's kind of America but whatever mother Russia But if they got down here and they got that overpopulated and they started like stealing cats and shit Become a real problem Like people might get angry That might be an issue Like the wolves now?

[1131] Dude in my neighborhood I have a problem with owls I mean I don't have a problem with owls But there is an owl problem There's an owl problem They'll fuck up some cats Like if you leave your cat outside An owl catches your cat slipping You'll cut fucking swoop down owls People don't think of owls as being like vicious predators They are They're ruthless All birds are And they're big Owls are big.

[1132] I had an owl on my back porch.

[1133] This motherfucker was three feet tall.

[1134] It was like this tall.

[1135] It was sitting there.

[1136] I'm like, God damn, I didn't know owls were that big.

[1137] Creepy fucker with his backwards head.

[1138] What else I want time, dude?

[1139] There was a four -foot, four -and -a -half -foot raccoon beating this shit out of my sister's dog.

[1140] Oh, no. Smacking the shit out of it.

[1141] Yelping, I'm like, I had to go out there and save my sister's dog.

[1142] Dude, raccoons will fuck you up.

[1143] Fucking huge, dude.

[1144] They're fucking vicious.

[1145] Have you ever seen that video of Kevin Rose?

[1146] He's from, what is he from?

[1147] Dig.

[1148] From Dig .com.

[1149] He created Dig.

[1150] And his dog was getting attacked by a raccoon.

[1151] So he picked the raccoon up, and they got it on security camera.

[1152] Picked a raccoon up and threw it down a flight of stairs.

[1153] But it's pretty fucking gangster, the way he does it.

[1154] He grabs a raccoon by its back tip.

[1155] See if you can find it.

[1156] See if you can find it.

[1157] He's got it.

[1158] No fear of rabies.

[1159] Fuck rabies.

[1160] I think he just loved his dog, so he just fucking did it.

[1161] You know, he just had to do it.

[1162] And look it, this is, you had it.

[1163] Oh, shit.

[1164] That's, so the, he runs up to the raccoon.

[1165] Isn't that crazy?

[1166] Look at him throwing that thing.

[1167] Look at that thing's leg and it's twirling, too.

[1168] He's got balls, man. He's got balls, dude, because he didn't, like, trying to underhand it.

[1169] He brought it behind his head and flung it.

[1170] He fucking hated that raccoon.

[1171] that guy's badass they will fuck your pets up if you are not careful that is wild man that he did that meanwhile the raccoon probably walked it off like it was nothing this is my dog toaster crying and yelping in pain I discovered a raccoon attack him I do not encourage animal violence I want to get the wild animals far away from us as possible toaster is okay but it has some claw and bite marks look at it there's a dog and the raccoon are going at it man and he sees that shit and he just runs up and grabs that motherfucker and whips it.

[1172] He runs after it, too.

[1173] He's a bad motherfucker.

[1174] Kevin Rose is a bad motherfucker.

[1175] That is gangster.

[1176] But it looks like he owns a poodle.

[1177] I'm just going to throw that out there.

[1178] His dog's kind of a...

[1179] Oh, hey.

[1180] What are you going to do about bad things?

[1181] Throw that out there, a little counterpoint.

[1182] I'm not even sure if he's straight.

[1183] I'm not even sure if he's straight.

[1184] So, you know, whatever.

[1185] Whatever.

[1186] He went after that raccoon after he threw it.

[1187] He's a fucking crazy prick.

[1188] That guy's a madman.

[1189] I'd take that raccoon Turn him into a hat Oh, done deal Stomp on his little head Dude, my dad's from Kentucky He was hunting since he was like three He's eating everything There is in the woods Oh a million times Raccoons, squirrels, snakes All kinds of shit I ate beaver when I was in Wisconsin And I don't mean what you think I was gonna say I did a beer all the time Duh I had a I had a beaver stew Steve Rinella He slow simmered a beaver He caught a beaver killed it turned its body into mittens saw that on your Instagram yeah that's the same beaver I ate some of that beaver it was really delicious yeah tasted good it tasted like beef like like a beef pot roast that's what it tasted like man I have eaten no no no I will eat anything like I will eat anything and my daddy did eat things that I will not touch and my mom will eat things like I have parents that are even worse I'm known for eating anything like balut in the philippines i'm eating all kinds of shit doesn't really i don't doesn't bother me the only thing i refused to eat what i drank is holding a turtle blood one time what yeah why the fuck he drank turtle blood it was like a thing for the gym like really when i fought kiokishin they said it's a thing in our gym first they gave me a curry that was so it was the hottest thing i've ever eaten and i like spicy food it burned from like the moment all you'd feel where all your intestines were like it went all the way through my intestines burning everything and I just kept eating it and other guys were eating and they were meditating and they had towels on their heads like blocking out the pain and they're crying and stuff and I'm eating it I'm just man it's fucking hot and I just kept eating it and the instructor turns to our transit and goes oh they didn't have some shit in Japanese and the instructor turned to me was you're very tough a lot of people pass out have to go to the emergency room like a lot of people die they're like what she goes no no no they have to pump them or they'll die it starts burning and I I was like, are you fucking kidding me?

[1190] And I finished it, I ate the thing.

[1191] How was your ass?

[1192] Oh, man. Oh, my goodness.

[1193] I was just, oh, that's a great question.

[1194] It burned on the way out.

[1195] It burned on the way out.

[1196] It didn't burn as bad as it did on the way down.

[1197] Like, it was burning like, oh, this is uncomfortable.

[1198] We're not, oh, shit, I'm in big trouble burning.

[1199] And then the next night, we went to this old school sushi place in the middle of Tokyo, and they have a thing where it's like a mug, like a beer, Stein full of turtle blood Because they have this turtle soup and they put the blood in this thing And they usually mix with alcohol But I don't drink so they had to mix it with some kind of juice And they mix it all up and like here you go And I went all right and I drank this whole mug of turtle blood man Just chugged it An entire stine of turtle blood I chugged the whole thing How many ounces?

[1200] Like a beer mug like a beer stein Oh it's like 24 It was a lot It was a lot Yeah it was a lot And I just chugged it man I was like all right There you go and set it down taste like it actually wasn't bad it wasn't that strong so it tasted like whatever like an apple juice or something so usually put booze in there and i won't drink so they had uh like apple juice mixed with the turtle blood it tasted more like apple juice so i just drank the whole thing oh so it wasn't bad at all then it was actually to me no like i didn't i didn't think the blood taste was that strong but i'm sure it would gross out a lot of people and they couldn't get through it i didn't really care your mouth was still burning from the fucking yeah from that curry i didn't taste shit man that was the deal they put they just hazed us pretty bad out on that show.

[1201] They cut out a lot of it on the show.

[1202] Why?

[1203] Because you could only fit so much in the TV show.

[1204] Like, when I went to Gracie Huamata in Brazil, I fought everyone in the room for three and a half hours.

[1205] Whoa.

[1206] Okay, by the time I was done, I was like, that had gear burn all over my face.

[1207] And, you know, we're dealing, you know, 15 black belts.

[1208] It wasn't like...

[1209] How many times did you tap?

[1210] I don't even remember.

[1211] Because the first 45 minutes, I'm doing fine.

[1212] Right.

[1213] And then after that, your body just starts giving up.

[1214] out on you and they don't stop and they're all and then i look around and i realize that nobody else is fighting but me i'm like i'm in the middle and they're all waiting on the mat just to face me and so i'm just riding the snake for three and out three and a half hours that is some annoying shit when you see it's sitting there waiting to roll with you and he's not rolling he's waiting for you to get tired and then as soon as your turn is up the bell rings and then he's like you want to go you're like what have you been doing for the past fucking 10 minutes imagine a whole class full of that guy and i mean Like I said, 15 blackbells.

[1215] And it wasn't, I mean, this is the original Gracie Academy.

[1216] It wasn't like a bunch of chumps here.

[1217] I mean, these guys were amazing.

[1218] That's good as it gets.

[1219] Then the next day I came in, and they did the exact same thing to me. Oh, my goodness.

[1220] I couldn't.

[1221] I wasn't moving great by the end of that.

[1222] And then I got, not food poisoning.

[1223] They made me swim out in Ypanema Beach.

[1224] They won a shot of me swimming.

[1225] And they said, okay, we want you to swim from here to here.

[1226] And I went, all right.

[1227] And then that night, I got sicker than I've ever been in my whole life.

[1228] the sound guy got sick listening to me puke he was like he was holding the mic going like he got sick he literally got sick listening to me get sick because I was shitting and puking and like from the water in your mouth the mother they had me swim where the favela runoff goes nobody told like the producers didn't research anything they just said swim from there to there because it would look good and I went all right fine well when I went back to fucking Brazil and I went to go I went yeah I swam out there and the local looks at me and he goes you can't swim out there that's where the favela runs off and I went and they go no no no no you can't swim out there he was American no no no you can't swim out there and I'm like oh gee that's why I got so sick you swam in favela shit water yeah and the next day I had to fight the guy for the final fight and fight quest and I remember standing there and I was so sick that I was sweat you know you're so sick you're swang like you can't stand still and I was swaying around and because they wanted footage to cut I fought the guy for 24 minutes oh my god like it wasn't like a seven you know I was a pro bell at the time wasn't a seven minute match they had us do it three times so and this guy was like ready for he was amazing not only was he really good I was sicker than a goddamn dog so it was just terrible so that happened a lot like there are a lot of things that didn't make the cut that were like that sounds like a better version of the show it was rough man that's the problem with having a show that's got to be an hour it's got a fit between this time like no it should be fucking hours and hours long you should have to watch all of it just watch what i mean that that sounds like a lot of entertaining shit went down yeah a lot of so it was cool man it was an experience of a lifetime doing that kind of stuff i would have liked to have seen the video of the guy telling you that that's where the favela runoff goes i was so knowing that you were sick i mean that's a month ago they missed out to brazil and i was like no i was what i was like going back to there for vacation.

[1229] I did an M -1 show and decided to stay for a few weeks.

[1230] And yeah, I went back to that beach and a local said, no, no, you can't swim out there.

[1231] That's shit water, basically.

[1232] I was like, fuck.

[1233] They missed that opportunity.

[1234] I got so goddamn sick.

[1235] It was horrible.

[1236] Yeah, that's not.

[1237] It was so bad.

[1238] I was in, I was in the emergency room in Rio and I can't, I was lying on the floor because I couldn't sit up and a doctor came by and said, get him in a room right now.

[1239] And I'm in the emergency room in Rio so it wasn't like you know I'm out in the middle nowhere like this is it packed emergency room in a major city and they went get him in an emergency room right now get him in a room and you got to fight the next day fought the next day god damn oh god it was all I fought like ass you should have just shit all over the dude I should have just shit all over but I didn't I kept my kept your butt hole clenched up and kept rolling man you know that sound like it was a fun show to do though it was it was a blast to do it really was it really was was it was um it was just the disconnect between the the people who made the show the producers and everything weren't fighters they weren't martial arts didn't understand anything and and right so doug got when we're doing kill kitchen in japan he got concussed so badly he didn't he couldn't see out of his eye he had a hemorrhage behind his eye and he couldn't see out of it and and they they would go to me and go what do you think's wrong with doug and i go i'm not a medical professional I can't you know his knee was like grapefruit sized or like a melon sized and they were like what's wrong with him and I go I'm not Dr. Smith I go they're like nine things that could be wrong to create those symptoms he needs an MRI and they went oh he'd be all right and he fought like they didn't this is what isn't they weren't staff could have been anything but they did these weren't sanctioned athletic events so they didn't test if we were if we could get out there and fight, we fought.

[1240] That is a problem with reality TV.

[1241] That's the problem with reality TV is there's no, you know, I remember, you know, a producer doesn't know, like, is that safe?

[1242] They don't know.

[1243] We shot on the edge of a volcano one time.

[1244] And there were all these signs going, like, there was a guardrail to keep you from going out with this poisonous gas.

[1245] Well, the camera guy goes, oh, it'd be a great shot if we got out there.

[1246] And this is in Indonesia.

[1247] And he just turns to the guy, the ranger.

[1248] and says, can we just go, we're just going to go right out there.

[1249] Is that cool?

[1250] And the guy just kind of threw his hands and went, yeah, go ahead.

[1251] And he goes, and then so we went out there and he goes, all right, well, how about that one?

[1252] And so we did this shot, and I turn around, and we are 60 yards behind.

[1253] Do not cross poisonous gas.

[1254] Don't go over this line.

[1255] And the camera guy somehow talked his dude into letting us get all the way out there.

[1256] And the guy starts talking, and our translator turns to us and goes, yeah, there are rivers of poisonous gas around where you're shooting.

[1257] If you fall, that's it for you, pay.

[1258] Basically.

[1259] And I'm like doing stuff on the top of this mountain.

[1260] And they're like, yeah, if you fall out, that's it for you.

[1261] And the producers don't give a fuck.

[1262] If they do not care.

[1263] If it's good for the show, God damn it, get your ass out there and do it.

[1264] That's the attitude.

[1265] That's the attitude.

[1266] So it was this combination of fighting in reality TV.

[1267] So it was, it was interesting because they don't know that.

[1268] And I had to go, hey, Doug needs a concussion check.

[1269] And they went, well, I go, or I said we need concussion checks.

[1270] After we fought five guys in the kill.

[1271] location final I said we need concussion checks and they said well how do you know I said listen to me I just fought five guys in a row I you know I'm telling you we need to get checked out to make sure we don't have a concussion and they're like fighting me on it and I went look we need to go to mystery and we need we get concussion checks we both got kicked in the head they're fighting you I feel fine but I the whole point is I shouldn't know the difference right if a guy's telling you doesn't need a concussion check he needs a concussion check so they went and they took us there and dug blue his nose get blood in his nose and his cheeks start it's blowing up like a balloon.

[1272] He had cracked his orbital bone.

[1273] And so air was getting out through his cheek.

[1274] And so he goes, is there something wrong my cheek?

[1275] And I hit it, I pushed it, and it was going like Rice Krispies.

[1276] Because there was air bubbles in there.

[1277] And I went, I think you crack your orbital bone, bro.

[1278] It's like, oh, shit, okay.

[1279] And then we fought again in like 10 days.

[1280] We were in another country doing the same shit.

[1281] You fought again with a broken orbital bone?

[1282] 10 days later.

[1283] We had 10 days between shoots.

[1284] That's a good way to die in Indonesia.

[1285] Yeah.

[1286] So that's when we started the next one.

[1287] What the fuck, man That was just our lives, man How old were you then?

[1288] I turned 30 during the show So I was 29 for most of it So you were young enough to be talked to And it's something really fucking stupid But I also But also like defensively Like the proud Doug really got beat on my My co -host in the show Because I fought professionally When I'm in deep shit in the show I would put my hands up and move my head And you know I've been around the block enough to know That when I was out gun I was fighting a heavyweight Okay, fine I can cover up cover up and not get hurt straight defense he had no idea how to do that and would just get hammered when i was what was his background none he was a he was a military guy he had been in he he had been in in iraq and and had been a bodyguard in iraq and had done like some amateur fights so he just didn't have the wherewithal to go you know when you're fighting six guys i'm going to make it look good for three of those guys and then for the rest i'm slipping and moving and you know i'm i'm working on me using my defensive skills he didn't have that skill set.

[1289] So when the water got too deep he would just get hammered and hammered and I'd have to talk to producers and go you can't one time we were in Indonesia and he's a real jovial guy is a lot like you.

[1290] He's a joker.

[1291] He's smaller guys who's funny and he was just depressed to the point of like he wasn't the same dude and the producers went what's wrong with Doug and I said he's getting beaten up every fucking week.

[1292] You can't put him through this physically and mentally every week like he's starting to break down and we're on like week six whatever was i go he you can't it's like at the gym like when you get hazed yeah that's fine if you haze a guy every day for a month he starts just falling apart you you can't i mean every good coach knows that like you put you go with guys are a higher level but there at a certain point you know give him those give him those times where he's feeling good and if you don't have those you start breaking down and doug started just breaking down well there's also your your whole that was tough system gets fucked up because of head trauma bad that's that's what they're finding out out man about head trauma head trauma and pituitary gland just doesn't produce the chemicals needs when it gets smashed by a shin kick it just doesn't work the right way which is the big argument about this TRT shit because they're saying if these guys need TRT it could be because they're getting kicked in the head all the time it's either that or steroids or there's a medical issue on top of that so how many people have that medical issue it's a small percentage most of them hypogandia Yeah, gonadism.

[1293] Hyponadism.

[1294] Either, most of them, it's either steroid abuse or they've getting hit in the head too much, or weight cutting.

[1295] Weight cutting is a big one, too.

[1296] I had a doctor telling me, he goes, no functioning athlete should need TRT.

[1297] He's like, if you need TRT, something's wrong.

[1298] You've been, your endocrine system is screwed.

[1299] There's something that's happened to fuck you up.

[1300] Yeah.

[1301] A prime, you shouldn't be thinking about TRT therapy until you're like 45, 50, until you're literally not, you know, I'm not producing enough stress when I'm getting too old.

[1302] He's like a prime athlete shouldn't have that And the only doctors I've talked to have given me They said It shouldn't happen if you're that age Unless something's wrong Yeah there were guys in the UFC that had in their 20s Yeah What?

[1303] What?

[1304] Maybe like Antonio Silva Because he's got fucking He's a very extreme example He's a special case period Yeah You know He makes sense that he would need it But you know It's Fuck, and it's such a crazy situation because they let it through for a while.

[1305] Yeah.

[1306] You know, so a guy like Chal Sondon is kind of like the canary in the coal mine.

[1307] He's kind of like one of the first guys, you know, and had the issue after the Anderson Silva fight where he said, they said it was clear, but it wasn't cleared, and almost won the title, and then it was suspended for a long time, and then came back, and then failed that test, and then failed this new test.

[1308] But the problem of this new test, the last test he had, that obviously was things to deal with the TRT therapy, what I've read in, and the argument's going to be, how does this affect his legacy in that he had, in that did he retire because he knew he had pissed off for this other test and didn't want that becoming public?

[1309] And it just raises all these questions about, well, he's on all this other stuff.

[1310] He knew he took the test already, the one in Oregon.

[1311] Was he retiring because I was.

[1312] Oh, man, I pissed out for this one, too, and trying to get out.

[1313] I mean, it just casts a lot.

[1314] There's a serious doubt on his legacy when you throw in the new test.

[1315] A guy announced today, that's huge.

[1316] Okay, but do you question Vandale's legacy?

[1317] A little bit.

[1318] I mean, we're all sitting here talking about when Vandali was at his best, motherfucker was juiced beyond.

[1319] We're sitting here talking about, man, when Vandle was at his best, he was a walking pharmacy.

[1320] We're assuming that.

[1321] assuming but that's legacy when you say van der Le Silva Joe what do you think of this roided out beast killing people in pride different time different time but it's still what we're thinking about it's still in our head it's still part of the conversation we just had about a prime Van der Leigh involved pharmaceutical products that's legacy yeah you got a good point it is it's what you talk about he's still my favorite yeah fucking man I'm putting my flag on this bitch Van der Leigh fan till the day I die I love the guy to death but Like I said, when you say legacy, you're thinking, what do I think of when I think of that?

[1322] No, absolutely, it's true.

[1323] I mean, look, it's something that has to be considered.

[1324] And with Chale, you know, there's more than one situation, more than one instance of it.

[1325] So it's, you know, it's a part of his legacy.

[1326] But I think Chale's legacy ultimately is going to be more of a self -promoter than even of a fighter.

[1327] I mean, he's just, I think he's the best shit talker ever.

[1328] By far.

[1329] His mouth is bronzed.

[1330] fucking he's the greatest.

[1331] I love his shit talking.

[1332] And it made him.

[1333] I mean, you think about he has a victory over Shogun, huge victory, submission win.

[1334] The Anderson fight, the first one, very close fight, get submitted in the final round.

[1335] I mean, there's a lot of good moments in his career.

[1336] Leading up to the Anderson Silva fight, I remember he had beaten Nate Marquart.

[1337] That was a great fight.

[1338] Great fight.

[1339] He had beaten, I want to say Yushin Okami before that.

[1340] Yeah, he beat Okami.

[1341] Yeah.

[1342] Decisions.

[1343] I mean, you know, he had, he had.

[1344] I remember not thinking he had much of a shot.

[1345] I remember thinking, oh, those are good wins against solid guys, but they weren't blowouts.

[1346] He didn't destroy those guys.

[1347] They were decision wins.

[1348] His mouth sold that fight.

[1349] Yeah.

[1350] I don't remember a lot of people thinking before he started talking that he had a great shot.

[1351] His mouth made that fight.

[1352] I've heard from more than one person that they were worried that Anderson Silva, because remember he had fought Talas latest, this goofy, weird fight, the Damien Maya fight, the weird crowning kind of fight.

[1353] That Dana was furious at Anderson Silva, and they were worried about him putting his fight on an undercar.

[1354] He was threatening to put on a car.

[1355] I don't know how real that is.

[1356] But Shail went, fuck it, I've got to sell this thing.

[1357] And that's when the mouth came out, because he hadn't really done that before.

[1358] Yeah, it was before that fight.

[1359] That's interesting.

[1360] It all came out.

[1361] And his teammate, one of his teammates, his old coach told me, he goes, they were worried Anderson Silva versus Shale was going to be on an undercard because his other performances had been so weird that they were going to kind of punish him.

[1362] So that Shail went, fuck, I got to sell this thing And just started running his mouth off And made a fight that on paper I don't think was super compelling Into like must see TV And then it became must be a thing You can't The problem with the character And I tell this to fighters all the time If it's not you Be careful, it becomes you Like if it's not you If you aren't comfortable Mayhem Miller became a dude Mayhem became a person It used to be a nickname When I first met him Now it's a guy it's a I'm mayhem I gotta be and it's like if you aren't comfortable being that guy please don't start because you can't just stop imagine not wanting to be Hulk Hogan and when people come up to you and go hey you have to be Hulk he can't be whatever he's gonna do it right now I can't not be that guy so I tell fighters I go be careful with that shit that's a very good piece of guys you cannot stop the ultimate warrior died the ultimate The Ultimate Warrior died in a fucking basement in his mom's basing.

[1363] Mom, fucking, me, oh, you know?

[1364] Oh, seriously.

[1365] You can't just turn it off.

[1366] You can't go, you know what?

[1367] I'm really sick of this schick.

[1368] He can't.

[1369] He's got to be that guy or else don't start.

[1370] Don't create a character to hype a fight.

[1371] And for the rest of your life, you are Hulk Hogan or you're the ultimate warrior or some character you don't believe in.

[1372] Because it won't go away.

[1373] That is hilarious.

[1374] People will talk to you and be disappointed that, man, you're pretty normal.

[1375] I'm just, one of the things that I really liked is that people, fans of FightQuest met me and went, wow, you're not that different.

[1376] Like, you're not any different.

[1377] Yeah.

[1378] Like, the show is just you doing stuff.

[1379] People who see my commentary and meet me in real life go, well, you're not any different, really.

[1380] I don't have to create a guy that I have to be when people come up and I've got to be FightQuist Jimmy.

[1381] Like, I don't have to be that guy.

[1382] Bobcat Goldway.

[1383] struggled with that forever.

[1384] Bobcat for the longest time, you know, his comedy, he would do that, like he would deliver his punchlines like this.

[1385] And then after a while, I mean, he was hilarious, but after a while, he got tired of fucking doing that.

[1386] He had a great comedy DVD called Is He Like That All the Time.

[1387] Do you remember that?

[1388] Yeah.

[1389] Bobcat go through it.

[1390] Is he liked that all the time?

[1391] And he's a really, really smart guy with, you know, insightful things to say.

[1392] about stuff but I don't think he does that at all anymore though now he's just he's allowed to be himself now but people it took a there was a transitionary period he's been on the podcast for he's great I love him he made a bigfoot movie man really yeah a horror movie it's good it's coming out soon where we're gonna have some sort of a release party I'm in where we uh...

[1393] I don't even know shit I'm in all right Bobcat I'm in dude done Ian and I were in bro it'll be a screening somewhere i'll let you guys know when it when it takes place but uh bob i've seen i've seen it already it's really fucking good he had a really good bigfoot movie it's called willow creek that is not easy to pull off to a really good big movie scary it got 93 on rotten tomatoes that's good 93 fucking percent on rotten tomatoes that's huge or i mdb one of those things whatever it is but it's it's good it's like a blair witch style filming like these people that went out looking to make a film about uh bigfoot and then they You know, they pieced together this documentary based on their unedited footage.

[1394] That's fucking good.

[1395] That's crazy.

[1396] Yeah, Bob, he's a big believer in Bigfoot, man. I wish Bigfoot was real.

[1397] I should, too.

[1398] That'd be awesome.

[1399] I have a theory that if he's real, he has to be gay.

[1400] That's why there's only 10 of them.

[1401] Otherwise, they'd be everywhere.

[1402] Because no one's eating Bigfoot babies.

[1403] Who's keeping them from breeding?

[1404] That is way too much logic for most people.

[1405] Because most people, when you start talking about, you know, you need a breeding population of something.

[1406] They look at you with this blank stare and you go, there has to be enough of them to have genetic variety and have babies.

[1407] Does this make sense to anybody?

[1408] There's not one big foot.

[1409] Like, oh, of course you can't find, but you've got to be a population.

[1410] I know them.

[1411] The Pacific Northwest is so vast.

[1412] There could be thousands of them.

[1413] I believe there's about 10 ,000 Sasquatch in North America, approximately.

[1414] When I did that show for sci -fi, Joe Rogan questions everything.

[1415] I talked to all those fucking goofballs.

[1416] I talked to those people in depth for hours.

[1417] I went squatching.

[1418] I went out in the woods with those people for days.

[1419] Just poking around.

[1420] Just poking around, looking at animals.

[1421] there's a lot of shit out there there's a lot of weird shit out there like you know there's things you'll never see like you could live the rest of your life and never see a mountain lion I live the rest of your life and never see a wolverine and we know that they're real so in their logic they're like but there are people who are very credible witnesses who tell it here's the problem man I went bear hunting recently and when I was hunting I saw a squirrel for a half a second I thought that squirrel was a wolf for one half of one second I was like I'm not this a fucking squirrel you asshole That highlights And this is in You know Fairly good light You know And you're And you've been in the woods Yeah I'm hunting I'm wearing camo I got a fucking bow in my hand I'm there for the full experience And I thought a squirrel It was a wolf I mean it was only for A half a second But it happened Yeah I really I was like No it's not a fucking wolf You asshole It was that much time But Oh that's awesome that's what happens man you see a bear okay and you see a bear standing up on on its back feet which they do i've seen bears do it they stand up in their back feet it's weird to see because they're big as fuck when you see a seven foot tall bear standing up on his back feet and he's near a tree and if you see that from really far away and if you're in the woods the problem also is you're not seeing it's not like it's in a field you're seeing it in between trees so you're not getting a good view of it you're getting a view of it from Even if it's in the Pacific Northwest, especially, it's so dense, if it's 20 yards away from you, you're looking at a sliver of it through a dozen trees, at least, probably more like 100 trees.

[1422] Depth perceptions just fuck.

[1423] It's all fucked.

[1424] The perceptions fuck what you're looking at is fucked.

[1425] And then if you convince yourself that it was a guy standing up that was like black and covered with hair, you're like, oh my God, I saw Bigfoot.

[1426] And then you start painting it in your head that it was Bigfoot.

[1427] It's a bear, you dumb fuck.

[1428] It's a black bear.

[1429] A big, tall black bear that was scratch.

[1430] scratching his back on a tree, or we saw them rubbing their pussies on trees.

[1431] Yep.

[1432] The females, they backed their pussy up to trees, and they start rubbing their pussies on trees.

[1433] They start twerking that bare ass.

[1434] They get horny, and they start freaking.

[1435] Sometimes you got to just find a way.

[1436] Well, my favorite is there's nothing like that in the fossil record.

[1437] And they look at you with another blank stare.

[1438] You know, we've found every creature that's in the woods now.

[1439] Millions of years of versions of those creatures.

[1440] You know, we've never seen anything like a Bigfoot.

[1441] That's where you're wrong.

[1442] Gigantipitheus?

[1443] Yeah.

[1444] Yeah, but it is so incredible.

[1445] Have you seen one of those things?

[1446] It is unbelievably gigantic.

[1447] There's no transitional, and I've heard that same theory.

[1448] There's no transitional species that they found, like, to go from there to anything Bigfoot -sized.

[1449] Well, Bigfoot would be that big.

[1450] See, the thing about Gigantipithecus, it's really fascinating, is they didn't even know it existed until the 1920.

[1451] Some guy was in an apothecary shop in China, and they found a tooth.

[1452] Yeah.

[1453] They found a tooth.

[1454] unknown primate tooth, try to figure out what it was, ask the guy, where'd you get this?

[1455] They take them to this place.

[1456] They find more bones, and they find a jaw bone that seems to indicate a bipedal hominid because of the position of the jawbone.

[1457] When animals that are walking on R4s, their jaws positioned differently than someone's standing straight up.

[1458] But based on jaw bones and a couple other pieces, they put together this enormous primate that they think is between 8 and 10 feet tall, which is what a lot of people say the Bigfoot is, between 8 and 10 feet tall.

[1459] The other thing that's weird is that the giganopithful, existed as recently as 100 ,000 years ago documented and lived in Asia, which is exactly where the Bering Strait connected to the North American landmass before the last Ice Age.

[1460] So if something did walk across during the Ice Age and followed people, which is what they think happened, the people walked across that and came to North America.

[1461] That's why when they test Native Americans, they test their DNA, they find that a lot of them are related to people from Siberia, which is kind of fascinating.

[1462] So the animal, if it did exist at the time, and did cam, they don't know if existed, you know, 15, 20 ,000 years ago.

[1463] They know it existed 100 ,000 years ago.

[1464] That's a long, long gap.

[1465] But if that thing did come and lived in the Pacific Northwest, the idea is that a small amount of them would still be there.

[1466] There is a thing in Siberia.

[1467] They call them Alma's, that's their word for the wild man, that are like either big Neanderthal or small, I can remember.

[1468] say the word gigantopithecus yeah gigantopithecus um so the russians have their own kind of bigfoot called an alma and in the mid -1800s there's a story of a one called zana that they had captured and some crazy fucker had sex with it and they produced half alma kids and their descendants are still living in this village in in the steps of russia yeah so likely stories out there totally likely crazy stories out there probably definitely happened i'd fucking Neanderthals were short as fuck Neanderthals were short and strong as shit They're super like dense Five feet tall 200 pounds Yep Dense as fuck Yeah they were weird built Break your shit They were built way more like a gorilla Than they were like a person Yeah They had like way dense thick muscles And it's interesting that we don't know What they really looked like either We have these ideas that they make You know We don't know what the color their skin was It's just total speculation As to what color their skin was You know we don't know what they looked like They could have looked like some sort of an ape.

[1469] We do know that they fuck people, though, and that people fuck them.

[1470] We know there was a whole lot of fucking going on.

[1471] Chromagnon either pushed them out or interbred with them.

[1472] They're competing theories.

[1473] Fucked them into extinction.

[1474] Fucked them into extinction, man. Took all those crazy freak Neanderthal bitches and fucked that shit out of them kill their husbands and just...

[1475] That's a good way.

[1476] Sounds like a good set of genocide right there.

[1477] Just fucking and killing everything.

[1478] It is interesting because they think now, they're starting to think that Neanderthals are way smarter than we thought they were.

[1479] Because their brains are actually larger.

[1480] than homo sapiens.

[1481] And they thought that those brains that were larger was to compensate for the extra muscle mass and all the different functions that their body was able to perform that ours weren't.

[1482] Because they were way stronger than people.

[1483] Yeah.

[1484] Then, like, they were...

[1485] If we had a Neanderthal that was fighting in the UFC, he would make Hussimal Parharez look like Brad Pickett.

[1486] Just teaching fucking leg locks?

[1487] Yeah.

[1488] Teach him leg locks and set it out there.

[1489] Imagine what those fucking things would look like?

[1490] Just thick fucking...

[1491] fucking five foot tall, 200 pound, dense ass, thick bones, giant elbows and shit.

[1492] Fuck you up.

[1493] Extra long arm, short legs.

[1494] Ra.

[1495] Ah.

[1496] You got a punch it just catches you and pulls you in.

[1497] You punch it.

[1498] That was it for you.

[1499] Our design sucks so hard, the jawbone of the modern human.

[1500] Yeah.

[1501] You know, you see guys get rock.

[1502] Like Shilling and Simon Marcus.

[1503] Perfect shot on the job.

[1504] Prank.

[1505] Shuts everything off.

[1506] Not the Anderthals.

[1507] Nope.

[1508] It's like punching a forehead.

[1509] Part of the part of the reason their heads were shaped differently is they had extra attachments here for neck muscles also for biting raw meat just chewing through fucking wood through hide when they didn't have time to invent knives just fucking chewing through a fucking woolly mammoth's face yeah that's not a good way to live they don't know what fucking kill those people off it's fascinating they could have also died off at the end of the ice age they think, because Neanderthals, I don't know if they know when the last ones existed, but they think it's as recently as 40 ,000 years ago.

[1510] I think that was the most recent explanations or ideas.

[1511] But that's also like 10 ,000 years ago is when the woolly mammoth died off and the Sabretooth Tiger.

[1512] And that's also that coincided with the end of the Ice Age.

[1513] And so there's a bunch of guys that think that that happened because of asteroidal impacts.

[1514] Then it might have wiped off a gigantic slice of the population.

[1515] and Neanderthal might have been too stupid to survive.

[1516] I don't know if that makes any sense, though.

[1517] I like the fucking theory better.

[1518] The fucking theory is a little more awesome, I must say.

[1519] Can you imagine if we found Neanderthals, though?

[1520] And they would be technically human.

[1521] So if some, like, shoot the box type dude went out there and recruited him.

[1522] Van Deleu recruited him, you know, brought him back to America.

[1523] He's probably the closest thing to...

[1524] To Neanderthal?

[1525] To Neanderthal.

[1526] What did you think about Van der Leight?

[1527] running out on his drug test.

[1528] That's stupid.

[1529] But the idea of I ran out because I was on diuretics, I don't, come on, that's...

[1530] I don't buy that.

[1531] It's a little fishy.

[1532] It's a little fishy, dude.

[1533] And, you know, it's also coming from a guy who we sort of already decided.

[1534] Strongly suspect.

[1535] In our non -medical opinions.

[1536] It's been rumored, according to our friend Phil Barone, he believes it.

[1537] I know people who have seen the contracts.

[1538] Yeah.

[1539] Yeah.

[1540] And who were told by officials that we test for these drugs.

[1541] Yeah.

[1542] But we don't test for steroids.

[1543] Well, Jason Chambers, they told him to get on steroids.

[1544] Yeah.

[1545] They wanted them to get up to 185 pounds.

[1546] Jason's like, I weigh on 170.

[1547] I weigh 170 right now.

[1548] And it was like, a bigger.

[1549] Oh, 185.

[1550] Much bigger.

[1551] Chamberson.

[1552] Wow.

[1553] Come, come, come.

[1554] Get to strats.

[1555] Yeah, they told him to get on steroids.

[1556] Yeah.

[1557] They don't, they did not play, man. And he was like, I'm fucking, I don't think, this is not a good idea.

[1558] Not the best idea.

[1559] yeah but those were interesting times man like one of my favorite times ever I used to love getting up in the middle of the night or staying up in the middle of the night and watching those cards take place live from Japan what time would they start it would start like stupid late at night right I would give the tapes from little Tokyo at the like little rental stores that do Japanese stuff that's how you get them that's how I used to get I was at UCLA man and I would ride my bike to downtown I didn't have a card time and I would go to these video stores and they would barely speak English And I would go, I remember saying, like, I want, I've used, MMA didn't really exist at the time.

[1560] I was like, pride.

[1561] And he looked at me and he goes, and he didn't really understand me. Gay pride.

[1562] And I said, give up, give up, give up, give up.

[1563] Yep, yep, yep, yep, I remember that, man. Yes, he got the fucking scream.

[1564] For years, gofunga, call.

[1565] The only words I knew in Japanese, five minutes left.

[1566] That was only one I knew in Japanese.

[1567] But I looked at me, and I go, and I go, shit, I'm trying to think of a name.

[1568] And I just went, Rumanasato, and he goes, Sato Ruminana, yeah, and he points to this area where he had all these chuto and pride tapes.

[1569] Like his whole section.

[1570] I remember going back there and back over and over again just to, like, because he had all of them.

[1571] And you couldn't find him anywhere.

[1572] Ruminasato, bro.

[1573] That ass fucking grappler, man. Ruminasato, dude.

[1574] Charles Taylor, flying arm bar?

[1575] Dude.

[1576] He's fucking so cool.

[1577] Back in the day.

[1578] And he would do grappling competitions, too.

[1579] Yeah.

[1580] He was a bad motherfucker.

[1581] Bad Mammajama.

[1582] And Ka Uno beat him twice.

[1583] And did a submission tournament.

[1584] flying fucking triangle like three out of four people what okay but think about the level of jiu -jitsu then and then the level of guys now where do you where do you put him i think that he was back then he was he was at the level we're at now almost that level back then wow but he was you know a lot of those guys that the japanese aren't that strong not not physically imposing so i think that's what they have trouble in the u .s. once you get the super athletes who are physically imposing that just get just as good sure they're slick but you know and they have that like one shot one kill I'll die before I give up kind of attitude it just they just can't deal with the physical strength of you know American fucking muscle shit like that I totally agree with that I think like you look at the guys like there's no Japanese Mark Coleman's no Fujita was as close as it got but yeah that's as close as it got yeah he was pretty He was pretty close, I guess, but it was just a different sort of thing, right?

[1585] That judo kid, but he never panned out to beat.

[1586] Ishi?

[1587] Ishi, yeah.

[1588] Well, they made him fight Fadoor and, like, I mean, how many fights was he in?

[1589] Yoshida in his first fight?

[1590] Yeah, Yoshita in his first fight, Fador within the first couple of years.

[1591] That was, that was another pride thing.

[1592] Like, they would feed guys to the goddamn wolves.

[1593] Yeah.

[1594] Feed him to Fador.

[1595] Feed him to Fador, what are you thinking?

[1596] They love that shit.

[1597] And the knockout's brutal, too.

[1598] I mean, he just really is helpless, and Fader's just sniping him.

[1599] Yeah.

[1600] Just, you know, pulling back and watching it.

[1601] It was exciting to watch.

[1602] Hey, no one put a gun to his head.

[1603] Allegedly, I mean, maybe they did.

[1604] I don't know.

[1605] Never know, dude.

[1606] Yakuza scandal.

[1607] Fucking one guy with missing a finger.

[1608] Dude, well, you know, it's, that was another knock on Japanese fighters.

[1609] They come to the U .S. and, oh, they're big in Japan and they can do well here.

[1610] It's big physical wrestlers, man. It's hard to overcome that.

[1611] With that Japanese, like you said, kind of balls out submission style.

[1612] We're going hard for the submission.

[1613] If you don't get it, you could put your head through the ground.

[1614] Also, the weight -cutting aspect.

[1615] They didn't really, they weren't cutting weight.

[1616] Not nothing like Americans were cutting weight.

[1617] So you would see guys weigh in and they'd see the guy they were fighting.

[1618] Like, that's crazy.

[1619] Like Sakurai and Matt Hughes, perfect example.

[1620] Matt Hughes was a big fucking welterweight at the time.

[1621] I mean, he had these garden hose muscles that would connect the back of his head to his neck.

[1622] Just these thick -ass neck, fucking country strong and shit.

[1623] And Sakurai was just not able to deal with that.

[1624] just, it was just a different kind of athlete.

[1625] And he had good fucking passing ability, good jujitsu.

[1626] Very good jiu -jitsu.

[1627] He was the first wrestler, in my opinion, that really learned how to not just take guys down and ground a pound him, but learn how to hit things like that far side arm bar that he hit on George St. Pierre, when George St. Pierre went for that Camorra, he had good jiu -jitsu.

[1628] Yeah, he did.

[1629] He had real solid skills.

[1630] Good defensive skills, too.

[1631] You know, like the Frank Trigg, rear -naked chokes.

[1632] He could put guys away.

[1633] He could choke guys.

[1634] and that Sakurai was just not big enough to fuck with him Couldn't handle him Sakarai had some good fucking kicks though too Big ass legs Good leg kicks Fast, fast accurate Love watching a car fight But Sato he was one of the first guys too He saw get a little chinny He started to go towards the end of his career Just When Carl Uno?

[1635] Yep Clipped him, Bing, where am I In their rematch Knocked him right out Yeah how about Carl Uno know how what a badass motherfucker that guy was love that guy he looked when he looked good he looked fucking phenomenal just super amazing and then some days you're just like what fuck is this guy well how about when bj just charged at him ran a fence pop pop pop just caoed him within the first 15 20 seconds and just left him there i mean it was like one of the weird assault yeah he's like i gotta get out of here for the cops get me like ran out of the cage and the back like what the fuck is he going he's going crazy he lo He'll!

[1636] I did it for mana.

[1637] Nuts, man. Yeah, he went crazy, man. Do you think he has a, you know, the, the odds are 10 to 1 against him?

[1638] I would take it.

[1639] 10 to 1?

[1640] 10 to 1?

[1641] That bad?

[1642] 10 to 1.

[1643] Yeah.

[1644] Yeah, I'd take that 10 to 1?

[1645] I mean, it's, put a couple hundred bucks on it?

[1646] Yeah, I would.

[1647] Yeah.

[1648] Yeah, you never fucking know.

[1649] I mean, especially listening to what you're saying, man. Listening to what you're saying about him being in that good of shape, that was always a thing that held him back.

[1650] back.

[1651] And if there's one loss that fucks with him, it's not the losses to Nick Diaz or Rory McDonald.

[1652] The guys are just too fucking big.

[1653] He shouldn't have been fighting those guys.

[1654] Shouldn't have been fighting.

[1655] Never should have fought at 170.

[1656] And now that he's fighting on 145 and you're like, wait a minute, you used to fight at 1 70s.

[1657] You fought Machita.

[1658] Yeah, 2 .05.

[1659] What the fuck, man?

[1660] You fought heavyweight.

[1661] I mean, Machita was over 205.

[1662] Machita was essentially a heavyweight.

[1663] It was ridiculous.

[1664] Yeah.

[1665] And here he is fighting at 145.

[1666] Is there ever a guy like that that went from heavyweight down to 145?

[1667] Speaking of size disadvantage and then he fucking ends up choking out Matt Hughes and knocking out Matt Hughes.

[1668] Yeah, but I think he knocked him out with one punch.

[1669] I think that him choking out Matt Hughes could have been, I don't know, in many ways, kind of the worst thing ever happened to him is that he kept flirting with 170 against these gigantic dudes.

[1670] That success, I don't know, maybe set his sights too high.

[1671] We're going, dude, that was he, Matt Hughes.

[1672] is the only guy he ever beat at 170.

[1673] That's interesting.

[1674] Everybody forgets.

[1675] Matt Hughes is the only guy he ever beat at 170 pounds.

[1676] If you're going to beat only one guy.

[1677] Go and that's a pretty impressive guy.

[1678] It is.

[1679] But he kept going back to the well at 170.

[1680] Like, bro, you just can't physically handle those guys.

[1681] Well, especially George St. Pierre figured out a way to tire him out first and then beat him up.

[1682] Grease your back up and you get.

[1683] Grease your chest.

[1684] Remember he had that guy that was doing like voodoo on him and shit, rubbing his chest?

[1685] And they caught him.

[1686] putting Vaseline on his back.

[1687] Like, what are you motherfuckers doing?

[1688] Pretending that touching his nipples and his forehead and his fucking giving him the holy trinity.

[1689] Greasing.

[1690] You have grease on your hands.

[1691] Isn't that interesting about the UFC, too, is that they have corner men, but they don't have it like boxing has their own cut men.

[1692] The UFC, they bring, they have staff cut men that work for the entire card.

[1693] I think that's probably the way to do it.

[1694] Smarter.

[1695] Yeah, because you run in those Panama Lewis -type situations where you...

[1696] Yep, Louis Resto.

[1697] Yeah, Irish Billy.

[1698] Come on.

[1699] Come on.

[1700] Give me the bottle I made.

[1701] The one I mix.

[1702] Aaron Pryor.

[1703] Aaron Pryor.

[1704] Aaron the Hague.

[1705] Argueo was fucking so good.

[1706] Yeah, the Louis Resto thing, man. That was the crazy shit ever.

[1707] Yep.

[1708] What was the dude's name?

[1709] The Billy...

[1710] Irish Billy Collins.

[1711] Billy Collins.

[1712] Yeah.

[1713] That was crazy.

[1714] That kid committed suicide after that.

[1715] Killed himself.

[1716] Drove his car into a...

[1717] Off a bridge.

[1718] People don't know what we're talking about.

[1719] They took Louis Resto's...

[1720] Took the padding out of his gloves.

[1721] That was back in the day where...

[1722] and those were made at a horsehair and they didn't have those foam pads like they had today and sometimes they still use those horsehair gloves like that was what uh my donna was trying to use with floyd mayweather and they were like bitch you're not using these fucking gloves did you ever see that video or floyd mayweather but the day after i know that a problem with the gloves they had a real problem where may what mayweather was putting it was real simple we ain't using these motherfucking gloves like it's real i feel my fucking knuckle we ain't using these motherfucking gloves and you know uh they're like don't be scared and why you're scared like be scared bitch Giant Skiy, I have 49 fucking fights.

[1723] We're not using these gloves.

[1724] Also, dude, my hands are worth $78 million.

[1725] I'm not breaking them because...

[1726] And not letting him, like, have those gloves.

[1727] That was the big thing.

[1728] My Donna's a vicious fucking puncher.

[1729] But, so they took the horsehair out of the gloves.

[1730] They made a small hole and then pulled the horsehair out.

[1731] And it was essentially just taped up knuckles.

[1732] And he beat the shit out of Billy Collins.

[1733] Who was undefeated at the time?

[1734] And a really good fighter.

[1735] A little more journeyman.

[1736] and big upset his eyes were so badly swollen they took a photo after the fight and the promoter said why don't you take it with his eyes open and goes those are open like that's as far as he could open them i mean they were like but isn't that interesting that years later mama fighters were fighting bare -knuckled yeah banned for life both banned for life louis and panama louis and they both did time for assault yeah and then panama louis went to work with tyson afterwards but couldn't work the corner.

[1737] Cannot work to corner.

[1738] Worked somehow or in his camp, but couldn't work the corner.

[1739] He can train guys.

[1740] He can't ever corner anybody.

[1741] So is he still doing that to this day?

[1742] To this day, he's still alive?

[1743] He's still doing it.

[1744] Louis Resto never got it.

[1745] Well, Billy Collins killed himself.

[1746] Spiled into depression, killed himself.

[1747] Louis Resto, in and out of trouble, homeless, drug addict, never got it, you know, just...

[1748] I saw a documentary where he tried to talk to Billy Collins' dad, and he wouldn't have it.

[1749] Oh, the mom, the mom forgave him.

[1750] The mom and sister forgave him, but the dad wouldn't have it.

[1751] And he confessed during the thing, too, that they'd wrapped his hand in, like, this plaster stuff.

[1752] The same shit that probably...

[1753] Margarito.

[1754] Yeah.

[1755] That margarito shit.

[1756] That was in the fucking 2000s.

[1757] Bleeding out of his ears, bleeding out of his eyes, his mouth, his nose.

[1758] I mean, and then he...

[1759] That's fucking...

[1760] That's assault with a deadly weapon.

[1761] I don't get why...

[1762] And also, I never got why Louis Resto and Panama Lewis went to jails.

[1763] jail band for life.

[1764] Margarito gets caught trying to do the same thing and it's not attempted to assault like it's not you got suspension but dude Louis Resto did time for that I mean Panama Lewis did time for it was Shane Mosey that beat the fuck out of him right beat the piss out of him after they found out they wouldn't let him use the wraps yeah they put new wraps and he got the shit kicked out of him and it was almost like Shane was like torturing him like he was punishing him for that and that was a it was a great fight for Shane it was Shane's last great fight too by the way yeah totally he fucking pistol Wept in bad.

[1765] Apparently, Shane's a little punchy now.

[1766] People who have talked to him and interviewing him now, they say that he had a few too many, you know?

[1767] Probably that Margarito fight should have been the last one.

[1768] Didn't help.

[1769] But he fought Canello after that.

[1770] Fought Mayweather.

[1771] Yeah.

[1772] Mayweather, Canello.

[1773] But the Canello one apparently was, that was a beating.

[1774] That was a beating.

[1775] That was a fucking tough, man. Fuck, yeah.

[1776] And better all the time.

[1777] Yeah.

[1778] That Floyd Mayweather fight was a good fight for him.

[1779] It was.

[1780] Taught him a lot of shit.

[1781] You got to, you know, when you're in with a guy like that, that moves.

[1782] like Floyd does, until you see that, you don't know what the fuck that is.

[1783] You're not going to get that in training.

[1784] Who's going to be your sparring partner that's undefeated world champion, one of the eight or ten best fighters that's ever walked to face the planet?

[1785] The first time you see something, you don't want it to be in a fight.

[1786] Yeah.

[1787] You want to have seen that before at some point in training.

[1788] You know, I play chess.

[1789] I really like, yeah, that's Billy Collins after the fight.

[1790] Wow.

[1791] With his eyes open, his eyes are open right now.

[1792] That's so fucked.

[1793] That's as good as it would get.

[1794] Oh, my God.

[1795] That's so fucked.

[1796] That's so fucked.

[1797] Jesus.

[1798] Never the same.

[1799] Yeah, he went blind, right?

[1800] He lost some of his vision.

[1801] He lost some of his vision, and he was trying to sue.

[1802] He tried to sue basically the commission for not catching the gloves.

[1803] Because his dad, at the end of the fight, you see it.

[1804] Louis Resto goes up and shakes hands with Billy Collins' dad, who's his trainer, and he feels the glove.

[1805] And he goes, way to say.

[1806] and he gets a commissioner, but he starts yelling, this glove's half the padding's out of it.

[1807] He shook hands and felt the glove.

[1808] Yeah.

[1809] And he tried to sue the athletic commission for letting Louis Resto fight with the padding removed from the glove and not protecting his son.

[1810] So it kept Billy Collins from fighting because they were suing.

[1811] And so he was just sitting around and just getting worse and, you know, got depressed.

[1812] And that was all she wrote.

[1813] Wow.

[1814] That's fucking shame.

[1815] Yeah.

[1816] Yeah.

[1817] And Panama Lewis is the same fucking guy who gave Richard.

[1818] Aaron Pryor, that bottle he mixed, and he came out against Alexis Argueo and just supercharged.

[1819] Like whatever it was, it was in that bottle.

[1820] Louis Resto said that he used to give him, they were asthma pills, crushed up asthma pills.

[1821] So you would get your breathing back.

[1822] Basically amphetamines.

[1823] Crushed up amphetamines, they used to treat asthma.

[1824] Isn't it interesting that both Aaron Pryor and...

[1825] Any more trivia, just let me know.

[1826] There you go, trivia master.

[1827] but both Aaron Pryor and Louis Resto became drug addicts.

[1828] Yeah.

[1829] Isn't that interesting?

[1830] And Alexis Argueale.

[1831] Did he really?

[1832] Big struggles with cocaine.

[1833] Really?

[1834] Big struggles.

[1835] Killed himself in Nicaragua.

[1836] Wasn't he like a politician in Nicaragua?

[1837] Yeah, there's some suspicion about his death.

[1838] Wasn't like a gunshot wound to the chest?

[1839] Yeah, which is pretty weird for suicide.

[1840] Yeah.

[1841] But that's the official story of Nicaragua's that he killed himself.

[1842] Well, a lot of boxers, especially, they wind up with depression.

[1843] You know, from just a repeated trauma.

[1844] And cocaine.

[1845] Cocaine also.

[1846] Cocaine's no bueno.

[1847] Who was it?

[1848] Arturo Gotti.

[1849] I saw a thing about his supposed suicide.

[1850] Oh, that wasn't no fucking suicide.

[1851] That bitch killed him.

[1852] But not once.

[1853] But what I thought was interesting.

[1854] I saw a very even -handed documentary about his alleged suicide slash murder, whatever you think.

[1855] And not once did they go, did they mention pugilistic dementia, which causes, depression and suicidal tendency they didn't once go maybe he got hit in the head one too many fucking times you know what I mean he didn't they never once brought it up I thought it deserved mentioning that you know his brain had to be putting at that point but didn't he have a big wasn't there like at some point in time wasn't there during the the incident whatever killed him wasn't there a head trauma like a big thing he had gotten in a fight that night that's why they had argued he had gotten in a fight on the street in Brazil and they interviewed a cab driver The cab driver who drove him from where he was, from where the fight was, to his apartment.

[1856] And the guy said, there was blood on the back of my seat.

[1857] They had beaten him up pretty good.

[1858] Like, he had hit the ground, and he had gotten a fight with all these Brazilians.

[1859] He had been mouthing off at this club, and his wife left him.

[1860] And that's why they were arguing that night.

[1861] And so he had gotten a fight with, like, three dudes on the street.

[1862] So the cab driver said, yeah, there was blood on my seat.

[1863] He had, you know, nobody beat him.

[1864] And then he said, oh, she had people beat him up.

[1865] he was beat up in the cab when he was in the back of my my cab and then he was found on the ground and the only thing that makes zero sense to me zero of all the whole story i can see both sides of it the only thing that makes zero sense is the wife claimed to have seen in the morning and thought he was asleep if you see the photos of arturo god which i have on the ground he's dead in a pool of his own blood clearly like you couldn't walk past us and think he's okay well you know The other story is that she saw him and thought he was all right.

[1866] You know, he always fucking seen him.

[1867] That's what they said.

[1868] He always used to pass out and fall asleep drunk.

[1869] I'm like, I don't know how you could walk past that and go, ah, he's fine.

[1870] You know.

[1871] You okay, honey?

[1872] You okay?

[1873] All right, good.

[1874] I'll make some coffee.

[1875] And that's her story, but.

[1876] Hooked up with the wrong bitch.

[1877] It's a very interesting, it's an interesting case to say the least.

[1878] It's a sad case.

[1879] It's a very sad case.

[1880] But, you know, when she got out of jail, did you ever see the photos of her out of jail?

[1881] was like smiling and laughing when they released her that yeah that was yeah that was that was family was not pleased about that one although if i got left the if i got let out of a brazilian juror for any reason i'd be smiling and happy too so i don't i don't take i don't hold that so much against because i'd be thrilled that i'm not you know indicted for murder in brazil i'd be thrilled um isn't it kind of fucked up that he's no like he was a guy who was like sort of his career was dwindling down he wasn't going to be like the top of the food chain Floyd May were the type fighter but he found another guy that was on his level and that it became one of the first trilogies one of the first series of fights where everyone knew these guys weren't going to win a title so it was like one of the first fights where it was just an awesome fight because they matched up together well you know it wasn't an awesome vibe but Mickey Ward wasn't going to be a world champion Arturo Gotti wasn't he had a title at one point in time but he wasn't going to be the best in the world.

[1882] Everyone knew.

[1883] And that was the thing about boxers is we always wanted to see an undefeated fighter.

[1884] And we always wanted to see a guy fight for the title.

[1885] Like the thing about Rocky Marciano was always that Marciano died 49 at 0.

[1886] He was the best.

[1887] Marciano never lost.

[1888] Well, in boxing, that was like the first duo, those two guys going out of the first matchup where we knew that they weren't going to get a world title, but we still wanted to see it.

[1889] You know, what's different in combat sports that's unique in combat sports is different than in other, especially team sports, popularity and ability just don't go together.

[1890] The best guy isn't the most popular guy, and Arturo Gotti was that guy that I would pay to watch that guy fight no matter what, no matter when, even though there were much better guys out there, watching Arturo Gotti fight was really something special.

[1891] And when he got with Mickey Ward, and they had that amazing trilogy, um the problem is god he can i mean did you see the mayweather fight that was like humiliate i was like hard to watch yeah that's hard to watch he had just too many after that after the micky war trilogy yeah it was also god he had already taken a lot of punishment his career he wasn't he just had no business being in the ring with mayweather me neither is way too sharp in his prime yeah i mean i think mayweather was better i mean he was so sharp then unbelievable he's still sharp he's amazing now i don't even know why i'm saying this he's amazing now but even like a younger even faster version of Mayweather.

[1892] She just killed him.

[1893] So good.

[1894] You know what's really incredible is fucking Hopkins winning a world title of 49?

[1895] That's one of the weirdest examples in boxing of all time.

[1896] We want to talk about a guy that just never faded off.

[1897] Still wicked good.

[1898] I mean, knock that Russian dude down in the 10th round at 49.

[1899] But style -wise, he's the kind of guy, if you looked at all his fights, the big knock on Hopkins, he never took a lot of risks.

[1900] He never took him damage.

[1901] He's fighting at 50 because he never took those And talks great.

[1902] It's great.

[1903] Yeah.

[1904] Yeah, his brain isn't putting.

[1905] I was just amazed that his body's holding up.

[1906] It doesn't look totally the same.

[1907] Like he doesn't look as muscular.

[1908] He's a little more smooth.

[1909] It's a little more soft, but not much of a difference.

[1910] I think that's part of the reason he's moving up in weight class a lot is, you know, speed is the first thing to go.

[1911] And I think he realizes I can beat these cruisers.

[1912] I can out -slick these cruisers.

[1913] I don't know if he do that against Ganadi Golovkin, guys at middleweight, super middle -weight, Andre Ward.

[1914] right those guys are fast and i think he i think he's smart he's a really smart guy in his boxing IQ is amazing i think he realizes i move up i can out slick these guys that's a good point super middle weight oh the last guy that he had real problems with was jermaine taylor and jame taylor was way fast 160 lightning fast and then you know look look at the performances that he's had at light heavyweight and uh you know look at uh what's his name for pittsburgh the the the white kid Um, Kelly Pavlik, is I mean?

[1915] He's from, uh, Youngstown, Ohio.

[1916] Yeah.

[1917] Kelly Pavlik was a slower guy.

[1918] Yeah.

[1919] You know, and Kelly Pavlik didn't have that sort of made him look like a fool.

[1920] It was a beautiful performance.

[1921] I made him look ridiculous for 12 rounds.

[1922] And everybody was shocked that he was doing it at what, like 43 back then?

[1923] I was like, this is incredible.

[1924] Six years later, you would think there's no way he's going to win a world title six years from that.

[1925] But I think that's why he's moving up and staying in these weight classes where he doesn't worry about that kind of speed.

[1926] Yeah, that's a good point, man That's the hardest thing to deal with at that age Yeah, that's a good point Because he's so good at being in the right place To make a guy move And you also, you know how like you see a guy Like today, we saw like there was one point in time Where Cubs Watson winds up And I'm seeing him getting ready to throw a kick It's because we've seen a guy getting ready to throw a kick We've seen the subtle changes And when a guy's getting ready to throw a kick And you could spot it Bernard Hopkins, he's seen so many guys in front of him do things so many guys try to hit him with punches he knows what they're going to do before and they know what they're going to do so when he's stepping and forcing guys into positions where he knows what they're going to do once they get into that position they don't even know what they're going to do he's like two and three steps ahead of him so because of that boxing knowledge that he has you get to see like this really pure sort of a a pure execution of boxing from him dismantling yeah the executioner not anymore now he's the alien i had to say that he's the alien be through the softball i gotta hit it should he calls him yeah he wears a rubber mask he goes into the the ring with a rubber he wears a rubber fucking alien mask he calls himself the alien this is officially the longest podcast we've ever done it's fucking five hours boys oh shit it's midnight it's after midnight wow yeah so people listening they've been trying to get us to stop forever it's over folks go on go sleep we're having a sleepover uh follow jimmy on twitter it's uh Jimmy Smith M .M .A. Know it.

[1927] And follow Ian on Twitter, but is not Ian.

[1928] It is Uncle Creepy MMA.

[1929] And Uncle Creepy MMA also on Instagram, where you can see him and wrestle with a 500 -pound barrel.

[1930] Yes.

[1931] And you will see him July...

[1932] 19th.

[1933] Taking on Brad Pickett and dominating in his flyweight bout.

[1934] Yes.

[1935] July 19th.

[1936] In Dublin.

[1937] In Dublin.

[1938] Yeah, Dublin, Ireland.

[1939] Great fucking place to do a fight.

[1940] I know.

[1941] No, it's going to be fun.

[1942] I've got my...

[1943] I've got to bring you a new shirt.

[1944] I'll bring you both shirts.

[1945] I'm in, dude.

[1946] I'm in, I'm in.

[1947] I ripped off the, uh, the, uh, fighting Irish shirt.

[1948] Glorious.

[1949] Yeah, it's glorious.

[1950] All right.

[1951] Well, uh, thank you guys.

[1952] It was a lot of fun.

[1953] Thank you for the invite.

[1954] Awesome, awesome fight.

[1955] Cubs Swanson and Jeremy Stevens was great.

[1956] There's, uh, Bernard Hopkins coming out with his alien outfit.

[1957] What?

[1958] What?

[1959] Oh, that's hilarious.

[1960] All right, my friends, uh, we'll be back on Monday with, uh, crash from the float lab.

[1961] And until then, uh, Go fuck yourselves.

[1962] All right.

[1963] Big kiss.