#521 - Lewis, from Unbox Therapy

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[1] The Joe Rogan Experience.

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[3] Lewis, a lot of people don't want to think you're on speed when you're on coffee, but you're lying yourself, ladies and gentlemen.

[4] You're on a mild form of speed.

[5] That's a good point.

[6] Dr. Carl Hart said, you don't want a drug -free America.

[7] That's what you said.

[8] That's an unproductive America right there.

[9] I'll go with that guy said.

[10] Take coffee away from people.

[11] They're not working anymore.

[12] It's amazing, isn't it?

[13] Remember when you were young and there was no. Starbucks, they didn't exist?

[14] Right.

[15] Is there, there's something like that waiting for us out there?

[16] There's zero like a new thing that's going to just, you know?

[17] That's a good question.

[18] Some substance?

[19] I don't know.

[20] Because coffee was there forever.

[21] Right?

[22] Marijuana?

[23] Before, yeah, that's probably it.

[24] It's cafe.

[25] Isn't that what's happening in Colorado?

[26] Oh yeah.

[27] It's happening like crazy.

[28] Right.

[29] Colorado's going off.

[30] Washington State's going off now too because now they just started selling it.

[31] So now the same ripple effect, the same effect that's happening in Colorado, which is they're making way more money than they even planned.

[32] They had like an idea of how much money they would make and they're making way more, way more now.

[33] I mean, well that's something that's been tied up for too long and I think it makes a lot of sense.

[34] Fascinating.

[35] What a strange world we live in.

[36] You know, I mean now they have, have you seen the pot coin?

[37] It is a digital currency based on marijuana.

[38] Oh my goodness.

[39] Inevitable.

[40] You're going to be able to buy marijuana with his digital currency.

[41] I think you need your own currency now.

[42] No, that's when the government comes after you.

[43] You got to stay low, dude.

[44] JRE coin.

[45] You got to stay free and unambitious.

[46] That's true.

[47] No running for office.

[48] No trying to affect policy.

[49] Nothing crazy.

[50] But maybe coins can become that.

[51] Seriously, like where communities online could have a coin almost as a reward system for the best participants within that community.

[52] Well, I think ultimately we will have digital currency across the board for a variety of different things.

[53] And it could be really easy for communities, whether it's online communities or in towns to set up their own money.

[54] Because I remember there was a town and, man, I want to say like North Carolina, but there was a town that was in the news a while back where they had decided to make their own digital, not digital currency, but local currency.

[55] And it was being talked about in the news.

[56] And it was like everybody sort of agreed to what things would be worth.

[57] And they would all have their own way of trading goods.

[58] selling things and passing it back and forth through each other.

[59] I think that yeah, that like as an online thing, that could be everywhere.

[60] Yeah, the decentralization of the power, you know, why should some person in Missouri be concerned with what guys on Wall Street are doing, you know?

[61] Yeah, like what, why is that affecting you?

[62] Why are you allowing it to affect you?

[63] I guess.

[64] Does it have to be all international like this?

[65] I don't know, there's smarter people than me that would probably have something to say about that.

[66] But it But when the bailout happened, right, that was the conversation.

[67] It was, you know, dudes in suits taking money away from dudes and plaid shirts.

[68] Do you know who Michael Shermer is?

[69] No. He's a famous skeptic.

[70] Was he on the podcast?

[71] No. Oh, okay.

[72] He has to be on the podcast.

[73] He's a famous skeptic.

[74] Okay.

[75] He wrote this very strange article for Scientific America that's been chewed apart.

[76] And it's interesting because it's like his idea of, if you like Google, Michael Shermer, Scientific America.

[77] He apparently writes an article there, and he's got this myth of income inequality is like the title of the article.

[78] And look, this is how I know your ideas about finance are dumb.

[79] If I think they're dumb.

[80] This is how I know, because I'm clearly dumb.

[81] That's the litmus test.

[82] So if I read your dumb shit and I'm like, yo, this is some dumb shit, that's when you know that your shit is off.

[83] It's really strange.

[84] It's a weird analysis of the situation.

[85] And the idea that here's here's like one quote.

[86] Almost all of our studies participants, the authors concludes, grossly underestimated Americans' average household incomes and overestimated the level of income inequality.

[87] So both income inequality and social mobility, though not as ideal as we would like them to be in the land of equal opportunity, are not as large and immobile as most of us perceive them.

[88] He's getting destroyed in the comments.

[89] Yeah, whenever I see something like that, I always wonder if it's the audience dictating the message or the message being authentic.

[90] Because I always wonder, who are the people reading this magazine?

[91] They're probably fairly well off, right?

[92] Scientific American.

[93] So isn't it easier to reinforce what they want to hear than it is to stir something up?

[94] I don't know, but when I read this, is, when I read something that's so goofy like this, this is obviously like a libertarian slant.

[95] You know, there's a lot of people that, they lean libertarian.

[96] And libertarian almost has like a bit of a conservative context to it or a conservative bend to it.

[97] Because it's a lot of that, things are not as bad as everyone's perceiving.

[98] Pull yourself up by your bootstraps.

[99] The ability to, you know, to have more freedom will equal more, you know, less regulation and more freedom will equal more prosperity.

[100] It's an ideology.

[101] It's an ideology as much as being a conservative is, as much as being a liberal is.

[102] Like sometimes people, they get on that one team and then they just sort of adopt the ideas and the inclinations of the team.

[103] So this seems like what he's doing.

[104] And this is, again, coming from a moron.

[105] This seems like very libertarian in its slant.

[106] And it just whenever someone does something like this, it makes me question, like all the things that they think about.

[107] Like, you're supposed to be a guy who points out logical fallacies, who's involved in critical thinking, objective reasoning, and you say something like this.

[108] This is like, no, there's crazy inequality in this country.

[109] To deny that is insane.

[110] That's exactly what I was going to say is, I think the separation between rich and poor is such an obvious thing.

[111] I mean, how can you dispute?

[112] I watched, I can't remember the name of the documentary right now, but it followed a couple of people, Silicon Valley type entrepreneurs and tracked their incomes relative to those of individuals within the company and the sort of ratio over time how those have changed.

[113] But if you look at technology, which is sort of the angle that I'm looking at it from, the whole intent more often than not is to build efficiencies into your process.

[114] So if you're Amazon, for example figure out a way to run your warehouse without people figure out a figure out a way to have robots do to automate all of it right because essentially your bottom line is affected by how much you cannot like like the automakers for example get robots in there you know their technology appears to push in this direction of eliminating humans from the equation where it becomes tougher to pinpoint where the actual value is being added in the product that you're receiving so it's not like Amazon warehouses don't have humans in them.

[115] They do, and they're creating jobs, and they can go around and say, we open a new warehouse, so we hired 200 people or whatever it might be, but once upon a time, without the automation, how many people would that have been?

[116] Yeah, and what is going to happen when they, I mean, are they really testing drones for delivery?

[117] That's not bullshit.

[118] That's not bullshit.

[119] I mean, it's not, I think it's not nearly as close as the video makes it seem.

[120] But just the idea that they're testing it.

[121] The idea.

[122] That it's not, look, it's going to happen.

[123] It's like when they first made those photographs where you put the hood on and you stood up there and k -tunk, you know, they had that thing and like, was it like 1850 or something like that, yeah.

[124] The time between that and having it in your pocket was inevitable.

[125] Definitely.

[126] All those ideas are out there.

[127] Someone just has to uncover them.

[128] Definitely.

[129] So once we have drones that there are testing that are delivering products, it's a matter of time before the skies are filled with robot delivery trucks that are.

[130] They're landing places and dropping off TVs and...

[131] Definitely.

[132] I think the last time we were here, we were talking about self -driving cars and how, like, in an airplane, it's okay for that process to be automated, but in cars, we freak out about it.

[133] Yeah.

[134] I think it's the same thing with drones.

[135] People are afraid of what they don't know, afraid of the unknown.

[136] But maybe drones are a little bit further out, but what's happening right now is also interesting and exciting, and it's kind of flying under the radar in the sense that you have Amazon Prime, have Amazon fresh, you have all these ways of getting things that you need without necessarily the same ecosystem, the same chain that you once would have had where you had a delivery man brings it to a store and then the person in the store puts it on the shelf and then you have to go to the store to buy it and you have to go through a cashier instead of an automated checkout.

[137] Just a number of human beings involved in that process used to be a lot more so everybody in that value chain could take a little piece for themselves.

[138] But in this Amazon universe, It's all about eliminating those cogs and just doing A to B. So, yeah, a drone is maybe the end game.

[139] But even right now, there's a huge impact to that form of consumption.

[140] Yeah, it's so strange to watch the climate shift and change.

[141] It's so strange to watch just online shopping.

[142] I remember I did some online shopping a year ago.

[143] I mean, not a year ago, a while ago, rather.

[144] and I forget what it was that I bought but somebody said where'd you get that?

[145] I said I got it online and he was like oh man I wouldn't buy anything online put your credit card out there that how long ago is that long time ago oh okay yeah I mean I was on when when online shopping first existed I was buying things yeah same this is so crazy so cool you could find something online then shows up in your I think that now it's almost more common to shop online than it is to not shop online yeah I mean I don't know my mom's still says I would never put my credit card on there and my mom's not like super old but I think that we just do it so we think everyone does it and it depends on the item let's find out what percentage let's take a guess what percentage of Americans shop online I'd say 70 60 % oh that actually do it at all yeah frequently frequently I'd say 50 to 60 % what's frequently once a week first of all if you type in once every once a month if you type in what percentage of Americans the first question is are gay what what does i tell you about people using google search what percentage of americans are gay is first what percentage are christian to be honest with you though is that really that strange if you think about it yes do you have the answer to that question the gay part yeah uh how close how close would we actually be everyone's gay just need enough time alone yeah everyone's gay you just need enough time i'm just curious with that top so the search is a common Search, I'm just curious what the top result actually is.

[146] No, for Wikipedia?

[147] What do you think based on your own findings?

[148] Like, the people, I think, I would say...

[149] All of America?

[150] See, I don't have enough experience with all of America.

[151] Well, just humans, Canada.

[152] You guys are America North.

[153] No, no, no, I know, but I'm saying, like, I'm talking about urban, urban areas versus rural areas.

[154] Rural areas, they're all gay.

[155] All those farmers are gay as fuck.

[156] They might not even know it.

[157] See, that's what I'm talking about.

[158] I have city experience.

[159] I don't have any country experience.

[160] Do you think it's different?

[161] I do.

[162] I think they hide it more.

[163] In fact, I think the city -country thing is more defining than, say, the city you come from.

[164] Like, people say, oh, somebody from Chicago's like this, and somebody from New York is like that.

[165] In fact, I've been in marketing meetings where they have specific terms for those urban type of people.

[166] You're talking about black folk?

[167] No, no, no, no, not urban like that.

[168] But I mean, I mean the life experience of a person who lives in a high -rise versus the type of person who has a few acres.

[169] It's a totally different life experience and therefore the culture that you participate in is going to be a little bit different.

[170] So when people say to me for example, oh you know, you're Canadian, you've been to Toronto a lot so you know it's roughly the same kind of idea.

[171] But when you ask me like a question like that, statistically I would say Toronto's probably more like New York than New York is like Kansas City.

[172] Right.

[173] You know what I'm saying?

[174] Yeah, I agree with you on that.

[175] Except folks and well the big difference between Canadians and Americans is how nice everybody is there's way more nice people for whatever reason even in urban centers in Canada yeah I know I notice people say excuse me and sorry a lot more excuse me sorry pardon me how you doing smiling it's just a friendlier place I feel like it's probably because you don't have this background of conquerors you know it's a different kind of mentality that's set up the country whereas America is definitely a different culture for sure definitely but close oh yeah it's like a little bit twisted sort of you know and again it varies depending on where you are but one of the one of the things that comes up more than anything is guns gun the difference in the perception of guns crime etc that conversation always comes up when I'm talking to you know people from America asking me what the difference is and that famously that Michael Moore documentary what the hell which one was it?

[176] One of his first ones.

[177] Bowling for Columbine.

[178] Was it?

[179] Bullying for Columbine?

[180] Where he's from Michigan and he went over the border to Windsor from Detroit.

[181] And I don't know.

[182] He had some statistics in there and people weren't locking their doors in Windsor.

[183] And I don't know.

[184] Yeah, a lot of people thought that that was horseshit.

[185] I thought it was horseshit too.

[186] But he was trying to draw some kind of conclusion there that even though we're culturally identical, we don't shoot each other, which obviously is not true.

[187] But some of the statistics coming out of Chicago right.

[188] right now are crazy as far as the amount of people that are dying due to gang warfare etc like that at all so i don't know there is nothing like that in canada no no i think toronto i don't want to say a number because i don't know but murder figures i mean it's one of the safest thank rob ford i don't think he's kept you guys the safe by doing all your crack that's what he does keeping it off the street it's a strategy hanging out with the thugs yeah what is trying to calm everybody down towards overweight white people is that the prince That book about, I don't remember But a king needs to be down with the people You see, the minute he gets up on his high horse Up on a hill somewhere Too good for crack He can't relate anymore That's what I'm saying Free Rob Ford, that's what I say I think he's running again He's running against a porn star actually Perfect, the world's gonna end It's fucking aliens are gonna land Whenever either one of them win That's the perfect That's the perfect kind of way to look at politics is that if these people can be there and nothing actually happens, there's no actual effect of it, for me, it exposes politics as a whole.

[189] Well, politics, given the state of our culture, I think the most intelligent, most capable people don't want that job.

[190] No, no. They decide, no, I'll just get some puppet in place to do my bidding and pay them off.

[191] It's obviously not that planned out, it's like one guy's pulling strings.

[192] Of course.

[193] But most people don't want a job that doesn't, pay that well.

[194] It's going to take a shitload of your time, and everyone's going to hate you, no matter what you do.

[195] Yeah, what?

[196] Who wants that job that's smart?

[197] Not me. That's the problem.

[198] We have real issues.

[199] All right, saying actually that America's there's several different articles about shopping online, what the numbers were, but it's overtaking stores, it's saying now.

[200] Yeah.

[201] 40 % of consumers said the internet would be their favorite shopping destination.

[202] Wow.

[203] Yeah.

[204] Here's in 2013, it says more than 80 % of the online population has used the internet to purchase something.

[205] So at least once, and that's the only people that have used the internet.

[206] So that, of all, I'd probably say it would be a lot lower.

[207] I'd probably say like 60%.

[208] Globally?

[209] Like, yeah, there's some people who don't have access.

[210] How about how many people shop on their phone?

[211] What would you say there?

[212] Oh, that's growing rapidly.

[213] I know that for a fact.

[214] I don't know the number.

[215] Seven out of ten smartphone owners will use their smartphone for holiday shopping.

[216] Wow.

[217] Finding store locations and checking and comparing prices being the top two uses.

[218] Yeah.

[219] With 45 % the consumers saying they use social media to assist them with their holiday shopping.

[220] Definitely.

[221] Fascinating.

[222] I think social media is a huge, huge, huge factor in buying electronics.

[223] Huge.

[224] I mean, we're talking your friend Marcus?

[225] Marquez.

[226] Marquez.

[227] Who also has videos online.

[228] Right.

[229] Great, really in detail.

[230] videos about cell phones especially.

[231] He's helped me a lot.

[232] I've really enjoyed his videos.

[233] I was talking to him about it.

[234] I was like, there's never been a thing like this before.

[235] No. And they actually, we were involved in some report recently.

[236] It was some university report.

[237] I'm not remembering the name, but they did some tallying to figure out how many people watch videos like that prior to making a purchasing decision, the percentage in our world in the tech space.

[238] It's huge.

[239] The numbers were staggering.

[240] So, There's this really awkward thing going on right now where the influencers are becoming the retailers in a way.

[241] Wow.

[242] We're taking on that role where it used to be a guy in a blue shirt at a Best Buy who could give a shit about the job.

[243] Right.

[244] Who you kind of had to deal with whatever information he had.

[245] You didn't have a choice.

[246] And now it's like, why would we...

[247] It's not the best use of resources to take a bunch of unsophisticated individuals with a part -time job and put.

[248] them in that role, which is essentially a fairly sophisticated role.

[249] It's keeping up with all this shit, which is crazy.

[250] So let's take one guy, give him video as a platform, and then allow for him to reach millions.

[251] It's also the difference between someone taking on that role as a job and someone who's extremely passionate about electronics.

[252] Completely agree with that.

[253] That's for you, like a guy like you, you would probably, no matter what your job is, you would still be passionate about electronics.

[254] 100%.

[255] I'd still be having the exact same conference.

[256] I'd still be having the exact same conversations.

[257] Sometimes I feel like I might even be more passionate because I wouldn't be jaded by the whole thing.

[258] You know what I mean?

[259] Like I think in a weird way that might happen.

[260] But, you know, there's definitely, there's definitely this change happening right now where social media is allowing for individuals who you don't know in your personal life to take on the role where that used to be for somebody connected to you, you know, immediately connected to you.

[261] Now, the word of mouth marketing, which the sense was, which was the most powerful, is.

[262] still the most powerful is transitioning from word of mouth in real life, real words, to social media words.

[263] Because even though you might be unreachable to people in real life, you're not because of social media.

[264] So Joe Rogan is an influencer.

[265] I'm an influencer.

[266] Marquez is an influencer.

[267] And all of a sudden, you're managing this social group of a million friends.

[268] Essentially, that's the way they look at it.

[269] You know, you're building that connection.

[270] You have this two -way communication.

[271] You're producing hundreds of videos.

[272] You're pumping.

[273] out hundreds of tweets it's a you take on a different role and you're super responsible in a way like say if you choose a certain phone it turns out to be a piece of shit oh for sure a massive burden on you that would destroy like to be unjustly like there was no way it would be worth it because it would kind of like stain you forever yeah like your people's perceptions of your judgment and you know and most importantly if you're if you grew up invested in this you know like I did, just wanting to get my hands on the next thing, if you're actually excited, it's super hard to fake it.

[274] You know what I mean?

[275] To fake it, eat one way or the other way.

[276] There's something about the format, the third -party format.

[277] Like brands, they'll put out their own videos.

[278] They'll put out a feature video on their product.

[279] Nobody wants that.

[280] Nobody wants your super polished version of the way you want the thing to be interpreted.

[281] In conversations I've had, it's like i'm i'm playing the like unboxing videos in general i'm playing the role of you that's why traditionally they were shot point of view point of view because it's your head you're about to go experience this and when i was playing around with the google cardboard vr i was like oh shit can you imagine this idea being expanded on of consumption through someone else experience having experiences that would be unavailable to you through someone else's perspective because oftentimes I'm playing with items that people don't have the money to buy at least not immediately they may be thinking about it or they may just be watching it for entertainment there's all kinds of different viewers but I can imagine being a kid really wanting something and the closest I could get to it was that experience of getting it opening it etc and imagining that perspective as being mine you know well the unboxing videos are always very cool because you know you get to you get a real sense of the product like from from the purchase to your hands to discovering it.

[282] Whereas like other times you like the guy already has it out, it's already fully charged, he knows how to work it, so he's swiping back and forth and showing you all the things.

[283] But you would never be able to talk a producer of a television show into letting you film 20 minutes on a fucking new LG phone.

[284] They would go, no one's gonna watch that.

[285] You know, I've heard of, I think maybe it was Virgin.

[286] Somebody put put some tech videos in the airplanes, which were kind of extended in length.

[287] I don't know.

[288] People would definitely watch them.

[289] The world is changing, you know?

[290] It's totally changing.

[291] Those producers that are in that business, in that world, maybe they couldn't understand it.

[292] But the audience and the numbers, they don't lie.

[293] Well, the content delivery device of television.

[294] It's going to be on at 8 o 'clock.

[295] It's going to go from 8 to 9, and that's when you've got to be there or DVR it.

[296] I love this conversation.

[297] I feel like it's not us who need to be adapting to them.

[298] It's them that need to be adapting to us.

[299] Well, there's no need as technology has started to change what online video is.

[300] And now you have like Netflix documentaries and television shows and comedy specials.

[301] What is the difference between something that's on Netflix and something that's on television?

[302] It seems the same thing to me. And it's becoming more and more prominent.

[303] And it's going to get to a point where it's going to eclipse it because they don't have the limitations of you have to watch it at this time.

[304] It's only on then.

[305] You've got to sit through commercials.

[306] all the silly limitations.

[307] You're dealing with a more sophisticated delivery system, and in the past, sophisticated evolutions of systems are never held back.

[308] You can't stop them.

[309] You can try, but where's Blockbuster?

[310] Yeah.

[311] They fucked up.

[312] There was a bunch of dudes sitting around a table like this with gray hair saying, people like to go and rent a movie.

[313] You know, it's an outing.

[314] That's what they like to do.

[315] They do do it, and then the wife gets to pick.

[316] That's right.

[317] On Tuesday, and the husband gets to pick on Wednesday.

[318] Tonight's my night.

[319] The classics for seven -day rentals and late fees.

[320] Do you remember late fees?

[321] Yeah.

[322] Can you believe that we put up with that shit?

[323] I'll do you one better.

[324] How about rewind fees?

[325] Whoa.

[326] Now I can't go with you there.

[327] I can't get that far back.

[328] Remember the rewind fees?

[329] Yeah, that was bullshit.

[330] That was so bullshit.

[331] So you don't rewind and they're charging you money?

[332] They would charge you money if you didn't rewind.

[333] Did you rewind the video?

[334] You're like, I think I did.

[335] And then they look at it.

[336] No, you didn't.

[337] Like, who's considering user experience there?

[338] Like, how about some customer service well you know my friend figured out that most of the time the people that work at blockbuster are way too dumb to know whether it's fully watched or fully rewound they would like look at it so what he would do is just fast forward it to the very end and then say it's look it's totally rewound they would go oh okay because they didn't know if it was rewound or which side it was on couldn't this one does it go like that or is it like this like where's what's to start?

[339] Does it go clockwise?

[340] Does it go, okay?

[341] Getting back to that conversation about the internet as a delivery method, there's this thing happening now where online content creators with really large audiences are getting approached by traditional media.

[342] They are wanting to bring them over into that world to try and generate some interest in traditional media to an audience that generally isn't interested in that content.

[343] And there's problems occurring where those people aren't translating and vice versa or they're trying to mold them into something else there's a lot of really big content creators that have branched out in that way and there's some sort of feeling like once you've got once you're on tv you've made it you know which is still appealing to a lot of people but not not at all for me because when i see like like i said before a more sophisticated delivery system i want for me we've won when we've convinced them that when we've convinced them to come work with us not the other way around you know and and uh and i feel like there's a lot of people there's a lot of people that are undermining how cool all of this is by taking their services and saying and and saying oh i'm gonna i'm not gonna upload on my channel as much anymore because i have a show on this channel or because i'm working with this brand or because i'm in commercials now or whatever it is and that's a real thing that's happening with big youtube stars that's fascinating so big youtube stars are getting lured into the dark side that's right they're pulled over come with us That's right.

[344] We'll control the content, but we'll pay you.

[345] That's right.

[346] We'll give you a pay.

[347] Steady, steady money.

[348] Gold coins from the bottom of the mountain.

[349] Come with us.

[350] That is a real thing because their whole business is based around control.

[351] They have to control the assets.

[352] Like record deals.

[353] Think about record deals.

[354] Music companies.

[355] Yeah.

[356] All that shit got overhauled.

[357] Well, I heard there's, I don't know what podcast company it is, but one of the podcast networks got sold.

[358] Got sold to some radio conglomerate or something.

[359] shit like that.

[360] I remember when that happened, I was like, whoa, that's weird.

[361] Why would they want to buy a podcast network?

[362] Nerdists.

[363] Didn't they get bought by like Warner Brothers or some kind of form of Warner Brothers?

[364] I don't know.

[365] Find out what the actual...

[366] Well, who cares?

[367] Let them do whatever he wants to do.

[368] I've had offers to buy my channel.

[369] Really?

[370] Look, he's fair to say that with pursed lips.

[371] That's right.

[372] He said that very very serious tones.

[373] That's right.

[374] Yeah, well, hey, it's worth a lot of money.

[375] A lot of people are checking it out.

[376] We could just change the way you look at things, Louis.

[377] you're just a little too critical.

[378] Like, why are you so mean when it comes to certain devices that could generate millions of dollars?

[379] If you just flavored your things...

[380] I just can't imagine that life, being that person, though, really?

[381] Just a shell, you know?

[382] Well, it's also...

[383] It's completely contrary to what you're passionate about.

[384] What you're passionate about is innovation.

[385] What you're passionate about is the consumer experience.

[386] Like, I was kind of really interested in the last conversation that we had.

[387] You were talking about the user experience, the you...

[388] which I had never really thought of as a concept.

[389] But it's not just a user interface, but it's the experience.

[390] How does it make you feel?

[391] Start to finish.

[392] The beveled edges, the polished glass.

[393] The box that it comes in.

[394] Yeah, what is all that about?

[395] And that's something that you only would sort of get if you were truly passionate about this.

[396] Look at Apple.

[397] I mean, they're trying to control the experience start to finish from the retail perspective.

[398] There's a difference between walking into an Apple store and a Verizon store.

[399] Yeah, the Apple, they got it nailed.

[400] They do have that nail.

[401] Everything looks apply.

[402] You know, you go to the Apple store.

[403] It's totally apply.

[404] I feel like we shouldn't go off on Apple Talk again because people get upset.

[405] They can suck it.

[406] People get upset.

[407] The reality is that they make the best laptops.

[408] They make the best desktops.

[409] They make the best phones.

[410] They just do.

[411] The Android phones, the best thing about the Android phones is that they're open.

[412] Is that anybody could make things for them.

[413] Is that the screens are bigger.

[414] Is that, you know, there's a lot.

[415] You could watch Flash.

[416] on them there's a lot of really positives when it comes to android phones but when it comes to like who has made an android phone that can fuck with an iPhone the closest is like that htcm8 and i've i've had that it's good you know cammer c1 yeah it's good actually me and marquez we did an inadvertent camera test out the window of our hotel we check in he's three four floors above me so i'm 12 he's 15 we both snap the exact same photo unknowingly i use a 5 s He uses the M8, right?

[417] And we both post to Instagram within seconds of each other.

[418] I see mine go live and right underneath I see his.

[419] And you should check out.

[420] I'll show you the results.

[421] Yeah.

[422] Well, it's, I've seen a bunch of the results from videos like Marcus's.

[423] I'll show you the results.

[424] It's just, it's obvious.

[425] The iPhones have a better camera.

[426] It's a better, it's a slicker design.

[427] There's a lot of great things to it.

[428] But damn, the Android's fucking, it's close.

[429] Okay.

[430] It's getting really close.

[431] Check this out.

[432] Just scroll down to the next one.

[433] That's the iPhone.

[434] phone 5S on the top we essentially took the same and scroll down and that's the m8 oh my god that's incredibly different look at all the detail yeah but it's not the same time because the sun is different no no no dude come on really that's within seconds of one another that's insane look at the detail how come yours like look at you see your sun it doesn't show any like like what is that the the flare the flare flare but look at his flare yeah and look at the interesting part for me is if you scroll down a little more and you look in the shadow portion, there's no detail in the M8 shadows.

[435] It's terrible.

[436] Looks like shit.

[437] You go up to mine, look at the detail where the cars are parked and that building in the forefront.

[438] Yeah, that is fascinating that you guys did that accidentally.

[439] And then, yeah, because it just goes to show you like the mindset, you know, we both saw the cool shot.

[440] We're like, I'm going to take the shot and the difference in the output.

[441] Yeah.

[442] See, this sort of, the context of the user experience, like the, the passionate, you know, a person who's into electronics, you can't, you can't fake that.

[443] You can't, you know, it is.

[444] That's why it's so hard.

[445] There are so many users or guys like us that really, really like the interface on stock Android like we talked about last time.

[446] I have a Nexus with me as well pretty much all the time, but it's so hard to ditch the iPhone because when you want to make a photo, when you want to communicate through photography, there's just no other way right now.

[447] And it's not, that Sony one that takes very high, the one that has the extra, extra big fat lens.

[448] Yeah, the Nokia one.

[449] Yeah.

[450] Is there a Sony that has that as well?

[451] The Sony's have some great cameras too.

[452] The Sony's a waterproof one, right?

[453] They have a waterproof one, totally waterproof phone.

[454] Definitely.

[455] Why is this not waterproof?

[456] That's a good question.

[457] That's stupid.

[458] Back when, back then, like, when the, this really hasn't, the body hasn't changed much since the five.

[459] And back then, it really wasn't a thing.

[460] people weren't making it it just it's relatively recent samsung's is uh ip rated for dust and water uh so is i don't know if htc's is but definitely sonies is it's a relatively new thing that that's happening they can go you know a meter under water for 10 minutes yeah the hey the next one might be yeah the next one might be but it's it's for them that's not a huge priority it this doesn't seem like a huge but it gets everybody gets their phone ruined by pouring a drink on it like that's the number one reason phones get ruined.

[461] I would say cracked screens.

[462] I would say cracked screens are probably higher than water, but they're both high.

[463] Speaking of cracked screens, cracked screens almost universal, right?

[464] Doesn't everybody get a cracked screen?

[465] I've never had one, but I've had to move a turd to get my phone out of the toilet.

[466] Did you kill the phone, or did the phone survive?

[467] No, phone survive.

[468] How long was it in there?

[469] Did you push it about?

[470] It literally, like, I got up, and then it fell in the toilet, and I was like, ah, put my hand through turd, grabbed it, pulled it out and then and then uh just dried it off that you put it in a bag of rice you probably didn't even wash his hands as fuck no no i did the shaky thing and uh that's good enough hair dryer oh really what you should do if that happens is 24 hours in a bag of rice yeah it'll it'll pull away all the moisture what i usually end up just doing is then having something stop working and then uh take it to the apple or call the apple store and they will send you one with that the apple's great with that here's the weird thing though they put Or at least they used to.

[471] I don't know anymore.

[472] I used to do like some repairs on these things, crack them open and get crazy like that.

[473] But they used to put little litmus paper in there that would show.

[474] It would turn red.

[475] It used to be in the headphone jack.

[476] I don't know.

[477] They still do it.

[478] They still do it.

[479] But if you call, they don't.

[480] There's no way from that jacket.

[481] Well, here's a question.

[482] When you say if you drop something in the toilet, drop a phone in the toilet.

[483] Should you shut it off and throw it in the bag of rice?

[484] Or should you leave it on?

[485] Oftentimes it turns itself off.

[486] But yeah, if it's still on, turn it off.

[487] Quickly, shut it off.

[488] So shut it off, throw it in a bag of rice.

[489] What I usually do is just suck the water out of it.

[490] Oh, Christ.

[491] But I wasn't going to do it with the poop ones.

[492] Right.

[493] Why not?

[494] It's gross because when you suck it off, if you look at your iPhone, like there's the top part where your ear usually goes, but there's water that's in there.

[495] So you suck that and you're like pretty much sucking ear wax.

[496] It's gross.

[497] I never thought of sucking on my phone.

[498] ever deep into that well like I go like really hard how many times have you done this probably like five times so where's your phone wait a where is your ear going that you're getting ear wax on that if you look if you look there's like a little grill that's right there and if you look really close you could actually see their shit in there I was thinking about the jack itself I know but yeah you have to suck all of them there's the bottom one that you suck yeah it's like that power does that work can you really suck the water out will it really help that's what I always don't you mean getting Getting water away from it is going to be a positive thing.

[499] He's not like a guy on the phone.

[500] Customer service here.

[501] Dude, listen, I've been sucking on my phone.

[502] Is that cool?

[503] I'm just saying in the most polite way possible.

[504] I wouldn't recommend it, no. Here's the answer to our other question.

[505] 1 .7 % of American adults identify as gay or lesbian.

[506] 1 .7?

[507] See, I had heard 10%.

[508] That's the gays.

[509] They just want you to think that everyone's gay.

[510] Yeah, goddamn.

[511] Tough stat to get, though.

[512] Who's taking that?

[513] It's a good question.

[514] It's a really good question.

[515] Because what percentage of gays are in the closet versus out?

[516] That's a good question.

[517] I would wonder.

[518] What do you think?

[519] Again, impossible stat to get.

[520] I would say 50 -50.

[521] Yeah.

[522] Just take 20 friends that you know and then think, right, how many of those 20 people are gay?

[523] How many people are those do you think are in the closet?

[524] how many just like how it tastes we all know a few people that are in the closet yeah everybody does yeah in public figures too you speculate on it's really sad it's sad when someone's in the closet you know when you got a guy who's a friend like justin martindale who's out and happy and silly about it you know and nobody judges them it's like it's no different than judging someone who you know likes to drive a certain kind of car so like right it was a why do you give a fuck It's just, it's a weird, you know.

[525] Does it, is it more the individual, though?

[526] Like, is it possible that somebody's experience is exactly the way they want it without coming out?

[527] Like, could it be that there's too much pressure to come out, too?

[528] Sure.

[529] There's a lot of factors.

[530] I think it's all depends entirely on your environment, your family, your religious background, where you grew up.

[531] If you grew up in San Francisco, it's probably pretty easy to be gay.

[532] Right.

[533] If you grew up in Kentucky, it's probably pretty hard to come out.

[534] You're in a fucking deer stand with a bunch of buddies.

[535] You go, hey, man, some shit I'm being to get off my chest.

[536] You know, you're all listening to Garth Brooks songs and shit.

[537] And, like, one of you just happens to be gay.

[538] Like, that guy's fucked, man. Yeah, he leaves the community at that point.

[539] That's weird.

[540] You know, if we had a situation where one of our comedian friends came out as gay out of nowhere.

[541] Like, say if Ari just decided to tell us, you know what guys?

[542] You know what I'm going to fight this, but I'm pretty sure I'm gay.

[543] Whatever.

[544] we'd be like, whoa, that's weird.

[545] Okay.

[546] Wait, you had that one guy on.

[547] Which guy?

[548] He's 10 % gay.

[549] Oh, Brody.

[550] Brody?

[551] Yeah.

[552] He's 84 % gay, he determined.

[553] What would Ari with a lisp sound like?

[554] We wouldn't have a lisp.

[555] It's not like, I'm coming out of the closet guys.

[556] I'm tired talking normal.

[557] No, I think that happens, Joe.

[558] I think, I think.

[559] Once you're out, you can start to enhance it.

[560] I think, yeah, because you hide it and you breathe it in.

[561] You try to hide your guys.

[562] gayness but once a dad's like oh my god i'm so ready though well some gay guys would totally disagree with that because there's gay guys that like really gay men like really lispy femy gay men and there's gay men that like men that are men who like other men and they don't talk gay yeah yeah that's tough yeah like if sir gura was gay you know if sagura was living with a guy who looked exactly like him chrycher him and chrischer yeah if those two guys were bears they wouldn't be you know they wouldn't be obvious Right?

[563] That's a delicious couple.

[564] Just imagine.

[565] They're great whether or not they have sex or not.

[566] They're just two awesome guys.

[567] So what percentage do you think then are complete, like, flaming the whole way versus I think that's probably, you'd never know.

[568] I don't know, 1 .7 % if it's 1 .7.

[569] So let's round it off.

[570] Let's say it's 2 % that are in the closet, 2 % out of the closet, 4 % of all Americans gay.

[571] We're willing to say that?

[572] I'm willing to say that.

[573] I'm willing to say that.

[574] I'll go with that.

[575] I think that's probably about right.

[576] So 4 % of all Americans being gay I'd say super gay dudes It's like 1 % Yeah And that's mostly drug Connected to drug probably Like just raging like I want to fuck you in their eyes I don't know man I have some friends that are a gay couple That live in my neighborhood And they're pretty obviously gay But they're not like partiers or animals Or anything wacky They're not doing I don't think they're doing drugs You know what's weird about it to me is like I know for myself I don't really want to be defined by anything I don't want to be defined by one thing about myself then you're queer that's the queers oh okay perfect I'm gonna fit right in but the LBGG when somebody put like the last thing I want is some kind of label but in that world it seems like that's exactly what you know what I mean they want to be labeled yeah it's so it's so weird it's like I don't know I think because there's a lot of um they want to be identity First of all, they're proud to be out.

[577] Like, to be out is probably, like, a huge relief off of your back.

[578] Right.

[579] It's just, you know, just to be out and accept and not have to hide that shit anymore, not have to have that hovering over your head.

[580] That probably really fucks with people.

[581] So it's probably, like, an affirmation in a lot of ways to just say you're gay.

[582] But the queer thing is, I think they don't want to be, I don't want to butcher this, my queer friends.

[583] they don't want to be described as a he or a she or a gay or a straight they want to be them there's those folks too I mean otherwise why would it be queer why wouldn't it be bisexual like what are you are you I'm queer okay what does that mean are you gay you straight are you bisexual I'm just queer so you just all right I got it I think I got it I don't know if I have it you know it's it's so that's a real that's a thing yes queer that's who queer is no one's ever told me that before you know fucking Canadians we keep shit from you yeah I guess There's a lot of things we can...

[584] I'm sure if I investigated, I could figure it out.

[585] Maybe.

[586] Maybe.

[587] No, I mean, we have...

[588] There's one hell of a pride parade in Toronto.

[589] One hell of a pride parade.

[590] It's a queer pride, though.

[591] That's a fucking confusing parade.

[592] Because if you're truly queer, you wouldn't even show up for it because you don't even identify with it.

[593] You don't identify with that group that's running that parade.

[594] Wow.

[595] Yeah, I think people for the longest time have been suppressed and still are.

[596] But I mean, I think for the longest time they didn't have an outlet where they can identify with other people that have also been suppressed in very similar ways.

[597] So whether it's being gay or whether it's being transgender or whether it's being...

[598] They didn't have a community before to support them.

[599] They just had scattered groups of people all across the country with no way to communicate with each other.

[600] Yeah.

[601] Now that you can...

[602] I think it's like...

[603] It's probably the time that we're in it.

[604] I don't think it'll be like that forever.

[605] At some point...

[606] What do you mean?

[607] Well, at some point, I feel like the...

[608] It won't be as exciting as it is now.

[609] To be a queer?

[610] Here's what I mean by that is since it's...

[611] only recently become as accepted as it is now right right 50 years ago i don't know what they were going to do to somebody who came out right or a hundred years ago or whatever it was obviously a tougher time so eventually it'll be so commonplace that it won't even drum up nearly the discussion that it does now yeah but as long as it's only 4 % of the population it's always going to be a marginalized group i mean i guess so i can go with you on that but do you think it's always going to be Is this something that's is a growing figure, shrinking figure?

[612] That's where it becomes a real problem, the Christian community, because that means a bunch of queers are indoctrinating all the youngans.

[613] That's what's going on.

[614] They're spreading their queer.

[615] Well, there's a lot of people that believe that if you sexually indoctrinate someone to world of homosexuality, very young in life, that they'll identify with that.

[616] This is a deep conversation, dude.

[617] It's a deep conversation, but it has more to do with sex.

[618] What is it with the pedophile stuff?

[619] I'm not saying pedophilia.

[620] No, no, no, no, but the likelihood of a person who was molested by a pedophile turning into a pedophile themselves.

[621] Yeah.

[622] I think that's documented.

[623] That is documented.

[624] I don't know if those are totally related, you know.

[625] No, just how young experiences that you have when you're young help shape your perception of so many things.

[626] It does.

[627] And also, women who have been molested at a young age tend to lean more towards prostitution and towards pornography.

[628] and towards a lot of things along those lines that their ideas about sexuality get morphed but yeah it's it's interesting man um the the four percent thing like you know what that's there's another question like what makes someone gay i mean how many people are gay because of a choice how many people are like i'm trying to fucking dealing with chicks i'm just going to learn to start liking dudes how many of them i feel like the company line is that people are born gay but i always had difficulty with that.

[629] I mean, I have difficulty believing people are born anything.

[630] Oh, you need to meet this kid that lives on my street.

[631] Like, no, but by this I mean, by this I mean that some percentage, some percentage of our existence is nature and some percentage of our existence is nurture.

[632] Right?

[633] It's a mixture.

[634] It's not anyone, it's not concrete.

[635] You don't come out with a concrete perspective on anything.

[636] Except this kid on my street.

[637] He's five, and he's gay as fuck.

[638] Well, but five, but by five, I think we underestimate how quickly characters built on a individual between the ages of one to two or two to three we look at a five -year -old and for us as adults five years is nothing it's a blank but for them it's so yes it's such a huge span and so much is happening in that period of time oh yeah and your childhood being traumatic is incredibly hard to get over it's just the fact that it happened 15 years ago it set the boundaries and the framework sort of the building blocks of your personality and to kind to go back and repair that shit very difficult to do yeah some people never do some people most people I think never do but as opposed to um someone who's born and raised and a really like I have friends that grew up fucked up and they're just there's something about the fucked up inness that they encountered that just they're gone they're never going to come all the way back they're never going to look at themselves objectively they're never going to step back and try to fix many or any of the personality issues they might have developed because of like a protective mechanism they sort of developed as a young person.

[639] They're just not going to do it.

[640] A shut off button.

[641] Yeah, there's just whatever it is they're done.

[642] They're done grow and changing.

[643] And then other people like you meet them and they're consistently exploring their personality and their life and improving upon themselves doing new things.

[644] You know, I love when I talk to someone like dude, I took up scuba diving.

[645] I'm like, what?

[646] That's awesome.

[647] Tell me about scuba diving, you know?

[648] Like people, I mean, and that's not the best example, but about someone who's like consistently and constantly trying to expand their experiences and try to, and analyzing their life.

[649] Then there's other people that are just in a sea of bad decision making and alcoholism and drug abuse and gambling and this and that.

[650] It seems like it can come out in so many different ways, but it ultimately stems from being happy or not being happy, you know, finding a way to get there.

[651] Right.

[652] I mean, shit can happen to you and you have that moment of interpretation where you can take it one way or take it down.

[653] down a different path and the more severe the experience the the harder it is to take it in a positive way is weird that is i don't know you know what i mean like like for example failure like that's the main way you learn how to do something so you so i'm going to learn how to ride a bike well if i fall off that bike i'm going to learn really quickly to stay focused so that that doesn't happen because there's pain on the other end of it so here's this really negative thing that actually acts as the mechanism for getting me from A to B and getting better at something.

[654] But the pain portion on its own, when you can't justify it, when you can't figure out the end message, when you can't figure out what I've learned because of this, that's when it's the toughest to digest.

[655] Yeah, I think there's a lot of folks that try to stay as comfortable as possible, as much as possible, too.

[656] So they're terrified of that pain.

[657] So instead, they just don't experience much.

[658] They just have like a very narrow world of, you know, and then maybe they'll experience like a little bit of emotional pain online every now and again, you know what I mean?

[659] Like they'll put up a YouTube video and then read the comments and that's enough.

[660] No bike riding for them because that would be some real life pain.

[661] See, I have two little kids.

[662] I have a four -year -old and a two -year -old and just like my life has changed a lot since having them just in analyzing their behavior and then analyzing my own in contrast to theirs.

[663] Like, again, yeah, adults are constantly trying to find ways to avoid pain, to avoid not feeling great all the time.

[664] Yeah.

[665] Like, we're complete, you know, risk avoidance.

[666] I mean, the average person, whatever, 9 to 5 type individual, them, they put themselves out there for no reason.

[667] My 4 -year -old, there's a swing set.

[668] He could go on the swing, or he could pick one of the posts going to the top and climb all the way to the top and sit.

[669] He's 4, you know?

[670] like what is driving him to do that because the adult mind would say oh you're going to break your wrist or leg or whatever and he might and someone's going to blame me for it fine but that it's the drive portion in and of itself this just wanting to experiment that's the most exciting that's the part that I want to tap into that's the part that's contagious you see him do that and it's like shit why do why should I fall in line even if it's not directly related why does the next thing I do need to be the status quo right like Like what we did today.

[671] What we did today is not your average tech video.

[672] Right.

[673] Well, tell people what you could do today.

[674] I was wondering if you were going to talk about it or not.

[675] Yeah, for sure.

[676] We could talk about anything and everything.

[677] What we did today, we ran a little test, a little experiment.

[678] Do people know, most people know, behind this studio is in a little mini archery range.

[679] If you don't know that, you should know that.

[680] There's a couple pictures on Joe's Instagram feed.

[681] That's how I knew about it.

[682] A little mini archery range.

[683] and the experiment involved bringing some technology components out here to figure out how they would resist the impact of an arrow, right?

[684] Yes.

[685] Have I done a good job so far?

[686] I feel like I'm dancing around the subject.

[687] Okay, the upcoming iPhone, the iPhone 6, supposedly has a Sapphire display or a display that's partially made of Sapphire.

[688] Here's the problem with Sapphire.

[689] How technical do you want to get about it?

[690] Get in there.

[691] Okay.

[692] say sapphires are really hard material they've been using it on watch faces for a long time it doesn't scratch easily if you buy a Rolex or something it's probably got a sapphire face or something like that but it's really expensive and it's really brittle so for a flexible surface it would be shit shitty and what a lot of people don't realize is that even if you have a stiff phone like an iPhone there's a certain amount of flex that it can put up with without chipping or shattering like something like this you know you can put some force on it you could sit on it and it, et cetera.

[693] It doesn't crack when you bend over type stuff or chip very easily, although people crack them anyways, smash them anyways.

[694] So companies came out with things like gorilla glass, which are these flexible kinds of glass that are made out of laminated, poly type bullshit, a little bit of everything in there, some glass, some minerals, some plastic.

[695] This new Sapphire one, which is supposed to be patented by Apple, is supposed to be the strongest we've ever seen.

[696] So fewer people are going to end up in the Apple store with a cracked iPhone, essentially that's that's the way it's looking right now so my buddy marquez who we talked about earlier got his hands on and through a very similar source to who i've gotten my hands on components from before got his hands on this glass supposedly allegedly allegedly whatever no no no definitiveness there but what we think is the the upcoming glass put it through its paces scratched it with a knife scratched it with keys would not scratch right very durable but But I was unimpressed because I said, well, we need to bust the thing.

[697] We need to take the thing to the point of destruction.

[698] This is not enough.

[699] And I wasn't the only one.

[700] There were people in the comments that were like, well, dude, he did a great video.

[701] So he doesn't deserve it.

[702] But they were like, well, dude, sure, you bent it and scratched it.

[703] But at what point is it going to be destroyed?

[704] And so we wanted to test that.

[705] So I sent him a message where I said, listen, me, you, let's figure out how to get this done.

[706] I think maybe we should go to a gun range That's what I said to him at first I said he said on DM I said you ever been to a gun range He said I like where this is going Then I responded with I think I can do one better I said what do you think about an arrow He said sold right I said let me reach out to Let me reach out to Joe So then I sent a message to Joe It was kind of vague I liked the way it was phrased though I said leaked iPhone sapphire screen In Arrow and a high speed camera that was it dot dot dot what you think about that and he responded with fuck yeah you hear me folks no hesitation fuck yeah right in the dm that's what i love about this guy right here so we came down and we did it we made it happen and the video is going to go live i have a shit ton of data to look through because this camera's shooting at 960 fps which i i'm going to have the calculation wrong here but essentially an eight second clip is an enormous amount of footage it's like minutes worth over over a minute 960 frames per second that's what we shot it at 960 yeah it turned out to be what was it was like one minute a video equals one second was that the yeah is that is that it i don't know yeah i don't want to go on record right as because i'm going to be wrong if i do go on record but for those that are really into this shit we were shooting on an FS 700 at the highest frame rate possible and basically we're going to try and give you guys the most accurate representation of the impact that we can and I mean I'm not going to spill it here we got to leave a little reason to go check out the video but interesting results yes we're not going to spill it but guess who wins we did some other stuff too it's not the phone we didn't we didn't stop at the at the sapphire the upcoming sapphire we had more fun than that so plenty of incentive to head over to unbox therapy hit the subscribe button right now so you're ready when the video goes live because we're about to take over the internet and we're counting on you guys to help us get there oh we'll definitely promote it we shot some shit we shot quite a bunch of shit yeah definitely it was uh it was worth doing definitely for sure yeah so yeah we brought a lot of cool people down there i should shout everybody out we brought We brought Austin Evans, we brought John from TLD, we brought Marquez, of course.

[707] Who else am I missing right now?

[708] I don't think anybody.

[709] No?

[710] I probably am in an episode right now.

[711] Josh, also from TLD, was there.

[712] Anyway, we made it happen.

[713] A bunch of cool people, way too many cameras were in the back there.

[714] You're going to see it all.

[715] We got behind the scenes, we got in front of the scenes, this is destruction at its best.

[716] It was awesome.

[717] It went down.

[718] go watch a video what is it about men that we were talking about this like men wanting to shoot things and blow them up like if you had to compare like the numbers just the sheer numbers forget about how many people are gay the sheer number of things that go blown up by men you know like what is like butt holes things that get yeah no chicks to stick and firecrackers up to butt things that get like blown up in a field how many things get blown up in a field that are growing up, I used to blow up fish.

[719] You know, I used to put firecrackers in their mouth and just blow them up after fishing.

[720] That's so rude.

[721] You should be on some watch list somewhere.

[722] If you weren't before, you are now.

[723] Yeah.

[724] Men, like, how many different, like, how many different, like, refrigerators have been, like, stuff full of dynamite?

[725] Definitely.

[726] It's all men, right?

[727] When I was a kid, I had an obsession with, like, opening stuff like this up, they would buy me, my parents would buy me some awesome piece of technology, and I would want to get inside of it, like keyboards and Walkmans.

[728] I used to open those up.

[729] Wow.

[730] To just see what they were made of.

[731] I don't know if this is an extension of that, but ultimately you get to see what the thing is made of.

[732] You know what I mean?

[733] That's part of it, I think, for sure, to see inside once you shoot it, look inside.

[734] But blowing things up, it's also just to just blow things up.

[735] No, you're right.

[736] You're right.

[737] I'm stretching on that.

[738] I was trying to put a spin on it.

[739] There are two different desires.

[740] Like your desire is like the, desire to see the wiring under the board yeah but all but also like when the also when the arrow hits it like we're so used to seeing this in the context of oh don't drop it right oh oh don't spill on it right to see it in that light where fuck you you know this thing right that you've been so concerned about for so long you know you're gentle with it you baby we fucking baby these things true you know and so to take the to take this thing that's on your conscience all the time where is it do you have it is in my pocket right who doesn't do the slap the slap you got you slap to wallet phone you don't leave that premises until it's in there so to say fuck it even for a minute even for a second that's a win or you're just destroying things and they're just getting off on the fact you destroyed things yeah but but if it was i mean it was cool but like let's say we put some i don't know a fucking banana there wouldn't have been quite the same yeah no definitely more valuable things are cool to see explode for whatever we're rebelling against our instincts that's right yeah i guess yeah um what's i gonna say oh exploding things i don't know whatever i lost it i lost whatever it was it's exciting i mean there's also this just from a very straight up primal perspective this idea of the impending doom like as if as a viewer you get to wait you get to watch but you know the outcome you already know what the fuck's gonna happen but you need to see it happen anyways i know what i was going to say blend tech blenders you ever seen that yeah with a blend yeah that's crazy yeah they blend the fucking iphone they blend the shit out of that i dude blends my vitamin mix couldn't take i have a vitamin mix not a blend tech and it couldn't do a pineapple i cut a pineapple in there and just overheat kept on overheating but luckily there's a sensor in there that you just have to unplug it and wait 30 minutes and shit but i'm like wait a second why can't this shit do a pineapple but like a guy you got a man up and get you got a man up and get The Blentech, man. Yeah.

[741] I don't know.

[742] I enjoyed the Vitamix.

[743] You know what I like about the Vitamix?

[744] That plungeer thing.

[745] Yeah, the plunder thing is nice.

[746] But I never used it for anything other than kale shags.

[747] Right.

[748] But it's perfect for kale shakes.

[749] It works great.

[750] But the Blentech is better.

[751] Even for kale shakes because it really liquefies it.

[752] It brings it down to like a much smaller, smaller size particle.

[753] I use my Blintech though every day or my Vitamix.

[754] Every day.

[755] Even if I'm just getting like, hey, I'm going to get some apple juice, I put some apple juice and ice in it and make it like a frozen it's good man it's good i mean you you should look if the more you could give your digestive system a break blend shit up like that like vegetables it's good for you it's good helps you poop too god good lord that's the best thing about those kale shakes the poops are fantastic i need help there man wild ride i guess i got to jump on a kale train just a wild log ride like like you're working on the yukon and there's a river and then the the logs broke loose and they went down current like that's what it's like when you take a shit it's just like oh hang on just hang on perfect and then you think like why isn't my shit always like this sometimes you know you go and I think I gotta take a shit I definitely have to take a shit all right let me just sit here and wait for this come out right how long should a shit how long should you be in there for how long should you be sitting down for it's really truly dependent on your diet right I think the easier it is for you to shit for you for Joe Rogan and experience in the bathroom, what's the perfect length of time?

[756] Depends in if I have my phone with me. Because sometimes I'll drag it out.

[757] Even when I'm done or a good magazine or a book that I'm into, I'll drag it out.

[758] Like, I'm done shitting.

[759] I'm finished.

[760] I just don't feel like pulling my pants out.

[761] What kind of, have you said, what's your record for time after you've been finished for still chilling with the phone?

[762] My leg's going numb all the time.

[763] Tell you that.

[764] Especially when you got that iPhone.

[765] R .R. used to have a joke about it.

[766] It's so true.

[767] You know, you've got that iPhone resting on your elbows, resting in your thighs, and then you're leaning forward.

[768] And you're just cutting off all that blood.

[769] You're choking out your legs, essentially.

[770] Have you ever masturbated on the toilet?

[771] No. Not shitting, but just sitting on the toilet.

[772] No. Like I had when the girl was over and I couldn't masturbate in front of her, so I would go to the bathroom like I might take a shower and then just try to masturbate while sitting on the toilet.

[773] Why don't you just have sex with her?

[774] She's right there.

[775] I don't know.

[776] You weren't into it.

[777] Too much work.

[778] Too much work.

[779] Too much work.

[780] So what happened?

[781] What was the outcome?

[782] It's really hard.

[783] I've only done it once.

[784] I've tried like three times.

[785] I don't know.

[786] It's something about the sitting on the toilet.

[787] It's not, it takes you out of it.

[788] The position.

[789] I remember somebody sending me something, not a product.

[790] They want it to send me a product because they say we don't sit on the toilet properly.

[791] And it's this thing to adjust the way you sit.

[792] Oh, like a squat thing.

[793] That's what it was.

[794] Like a platform.

[795] That's what it was.

[796] Imagine that review.

[797] My God.

[798] Yeah.

[799] That is supposedly the way you're supposed to shit.

[800] I did, I looked it up.

[801] I went to their website.

[802] website and I was like holy shit everyone's shitting the wrong way yeah we are that is true it is easier for your bowels to work if you're if like you can also sort of adjust your posture stand over top yeah because I think probably the way I'm doing it with my phone where I'm leaning forward and it's probably the worst worst like yeah we should do is like probably straighten up and like mimic the squatting the the perfect technique with Joe Rogan yeah this is how you shit I know your mom never taught you this I'm here for you yeah I think like a squatting sort of a thing like that like with a straight back would be the way to do it we gotta fix the morning pee boner problem because that shit like I still like I'm not good at it what do you mean like where you have to like do that weird position to stand over the toilet and push your boner down just to pee into you know yeah well you just got to just go outside is that what you do yeah see outside really that's what you do get close Get one with nature.

[803] Do you have a piss pot?

[804] Have we talked about this?

[805] I have a piss pot.

[806] No, it's outside.

[807] I like to pee outside.

[808] For some reason, it's just more comforting.

[809] I'll just walk outside and pee.

[810] Can you carry it in a pot?

[811] How come you don't have a...

[812] No, there's just a pot out there.

[813] It's a pot that's like a planted pot.

[814] Oh, okay.

[815] So you're hitting in there.

[816] A little fertilizer for the plant.

[817] It's not good for it.

[818] No, not at all.

[819] Dog piss kills lawns.

[820] I know that.

[821] Definitely yellow disaster.

[822] No, no, no. Yeah, like it stops being green.

[823] I don't know what's in a dog's piss.

[824] It's pneumonia.

[825] But it doesn't seem to be the same as a human.

[826] Like when you pee on the grass, like if you pee on your grass, it doesn't seem to kill the grass that a dog...

[827] It tastes the same, though.

[828] Shit.

[829] Now, but you could smell dog pee.

[830] It smells like regular pee.

[831] Yeah, it definitely does.

[832] Cat pee's disgusting.

[833] I don't know what you're into, man. Dirty little animals.

[834] My cat, my oldest cat, oh, she's a problem.

[835] She shits in front of the toilet now.

[836] She's old.

[837] She's 18.

[838] Right.

[839] Mines just starts shitting in front of my.

[840] toilet and it's like gray shit or something they're mess they're getting old when they get old man cats fall apart yeah they hang in there for a long time like my cat's 18 fucking years old she's hanging in there but every night meow mom mom mom mom well she doesn't know what's going on she's 18 because she's probably got some sort of uh neurological issue yeah some Alzheimer's kidney Alzheimer's or something like that but she'll she's just a racist as fuck but she's screaming in words at the night i don't know if she can um she remembers where the litter boxes there's two litter boxes in the house but sometimes she's in the bathroom and she'll just shit in the wrong bathroom on the floor hmm this is all new like over the last and mine's also having problems jumping on little counters like you know it's just like falls all the time and i think she's starting to get blind or something they just get weak too so at what point tomorrow bullets no I got a letter.

[841] I don't want her to suffer.

[842] You know, if I thought she was suffering, like most of the time she's cool.

[843] She's, she has a problem shitting and, you know, she pees in the wrong spot sometimes.

[844] It's a weird one, though, man, putting an animal down.

[845] I put my dog down.

[846] Well, I mean, I didn't put it down personally.

[847] But you've been there.

[848] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[849] It's horrible.

[850] It's weird.

[851] It's hard, it's hard, it's hard.

[852] It's weird because, you know, you don't do that to people.

[853] Well, you know.

[854] Uthanasia?

[855] Some people say it's more humane.

[856] Well, it is more humane.

[857] Yeah.

[858] It's certainly more humane.

[859] If you knew that someone that you loved dearly was suffering in some horrible way, and they would probably stay alive for months or maybe even a year in this state before their body eventually gave out, and there's no hope to bring them back.

[860] The problem is there's so many people that would kill their parents.

[861] There's so many people that would kill loved ones, kill, if they had the choice, like people have had, there's been situations where a husband or a wife had been in critical condition, and the wife had been arguing to pull the plug or the husband had been arguing to pull the plug and the massive controversy the family gets involved everybody's angry you know so it's you can't just do that you know it's it's a what about the person themselves making the call like if they're still cognizant how can you tell they're cognizant they want to kill themselves i mean it's like suicide's illegal which is hilarious not everywhere no other countries you mean yeah yeah um but in america essentially it's illegal everywhere You know, euthanasia is illegal, the Kavorkian guy who...

[862] See, I don't have a problem with it.

[863] If a person could pass a psychological evaluation that they're cognizantly there, a basic psychological evaluation, they say, listen, I'm sick of suffering or whatever.

[864] But there needs to be suicide houses.

[865] Like, you know, they could go in and it's just like a big hole in the ground and fall in or something.

[866] Suicide houses.

[867] Like, there should be a...

[868] Well, how about that suicide forest in Japan?

[869] Yeah.

[870] Yeah, that's weird.

[871] the way people choose to do it through they choose to do it with as little pain as possible very few people jump into volcanoes right now how many people how long would that take maybe instant yeah he went head first I think so yeah you basically would just burst into flames yeah I mean that's what they used to do right the bad people they would throw them into volcanoes didn't they used to do that I don't know I never heard about it I'm sure it's happening Kimamaamaia seems like they used to sacrifice to the volcano gods but i don't know if that's a real thing or not well sacrifice certainly a real thing so you got to assume sacrifice ball volcano would be like the most you want to think about a cool way to do it definitely and although how about like that brave heart shit where they the torture and what making everybody watch the torture like that might be more badass because you you're intentionally keeping a guy alive yeah but that's killing someone that's not like human sacrifice oh it's like i guess you're saying it's a form of punishment but they're never sacrificing the cool people they're always sacrificing the assholes they don't like anyway but by whose standards are they an asshole that's a problem the king or whoever he doesn't give a fuck about them right but the king by the time the guy gets to be a king who knows whether he's a good guy or not his judgment oh i guarantee you he is not joe versus the volcano what is that meg ryan movie yeah but tom hanks and meg ryan and they something about sacrificing something You sacrificed your fucking hour and a half of your life.

[872] It was.

[873] I don't know where the connection was that was a sacrifice.

[874] Meg Ryan Tom Hanks movie.

[875] Oh, Christ.

[876] Try watching.

[877] Like, that was Sleepless in Seattle.

[878] That was like one of the first internet -based love affair movies.

[879] You've Got Mail.

[880] Remember that?

[881] Wait, me, isn't that You've Got Mail?

[882] Sleepless in Seattle.

[883] They were having an online correspondence, right?

[884] I think that was You've Got Mail.

[885] I think that's You Got Mail.

[886] Is it?

[887] Yeah.

[888] What was Sleepless in Seattle?

[889] That was one where she had, she had, squirted in the deli or something.

[890] Remember she had an orgasm in the restaurant?

[891] Oh, you're right.

[892] You're right.

[893] But wasn't that also, like, oh, that was like they send each other actual letters?

[894] Is that what it was?

[895] I don't remember.

[896] That was Billy Crystal, right?

[897] Yeah.

[898] So You've Got Mail was the first online?

[899] What year was you've got mail?

[900] I would say 95, 6.

[901] Okay, let's find out.

[902] Sleepless in Seattle.

[903] 95, 95.

[904] But you see, you've got mail.

[905] That was an AOL thing that it said.

[906] You've got mail.

[907] So it's.

[908] Sleepless in Seattle was 1993.

[909] Yeah.

[910] Okay, this is a radio talk show that they called in.

[911] That's what it was.

[912] You've got mail in 1998.

[913] Interesting.

[914] So 93 Sleepless in Seattle was radio, so that was before AOL.

[915] Yeah, that was before AOL.

[916] So 98 was essentially, you've got mail, was like right when four years into the internet invasion in our culture.

[917] That was probably AOL number 5 .0.

[918] A really confusing time.

[919] I still know people, like old people who, you know.

[920] their perception of who AOL is and what they do is all confused.

[921] Well, you know what I mean?

[922] I don't want to call anybody out, but, you know, like, AOL was a service provider.

[923] They had a browser, right?

[924] At one time, like, you would get a disc that comes along with your service.

[925] You sign up and you get a CD that you have to put in and install their software.

[926] Do you remember that?

[927] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[928] And then they essentially became a media company, which is what they are now.

[929] They own some tech sites That's the reason I'm familiar And they have, of course, their own website But does anybody still use AOL as a website?

[930] That's what I was wondering Yeah A lot of people do I think a lot of people still actually use AOL Bobcat Goldwood He sent me a fucking AOL email address There you go I was like, no way They're still out there He's like I'm old school Back in day, it was awesome And the member directory search got me late You used to be able to just type in your address And it would find anybody who had AOL around you Based on your mom And I found out, like, girls that live down the street for me, and then I just started hooking up with them.

[931] So I just used to get away.

[932] They could probably fucking sue them.

[933] Super stalker.

[934] Well, that's what internet privacy back then is not.

[935] No, no, I knew what the fuck was going on.

[936] You could just send them a message.

[937] And I used to, like, you know, anyone could get a message to anyone.

[938] So, like, if your mom was on AOL and she had an account, like somebody, a stranger could just be like, hey, lady, you want to fuck.

[939] And no one, isn't it funny that, like, given the option, like, message boards and AOL, given the option to use your actual nail.

[940] Like, I have a message board, and my message board has, shit.

[941] We'll look at it right now.

[942] Shit.

[943] I want to say, like, at least 10 million posts.

[944] How many millions?

[945] Okay, 7 million posts in the main forum.

[946] Whoa.

[947] Half a million posts in the podcast forum.

[948] Combat Sports Forum is 697 ,000.

[949] The cunt farm is 1 ,700 ,000.

[950] That's the OG message board right there.

[951] So it's been around a long fucking time.

[952] There's a lot of posts on it.

[953] But, like, the actual number of people that use a real name, it's almost none.

[954] Oh, on a message board, definitely, yeah, giving the opportunity.

[955] Yeah, I mean, I use my real name, but if I'll go through the podcast forum or any of the forum, it's all crazy names.

[956] Shazam, Biz, Wally Rider, Derpa.

[957] I mean, everyone's got these Wacking King Phoenix.

[958] That's not your name, motherfucker.

[959] People used to do that with email, too.

[960] So how many do you think I got the number here?

[961] here still use AOL per year.

[962] As a service provider?

[963] As a service.

[964] They pay for a service.

[965] Okay.

[966] I would say I'm going to say four million.

[967] Okay.

[968] What do you think?

[969] This is obviously a U .S. numbers.

[970] How many people are currently subscribers to the internet through AOL?

[971] You said four million?

[972] I said four.

[973] And to think there's probably nothing really to subscribe to any more, it's just AOL still charging them.

[974] Yeah, I got to think it's, I got to feel like it's less than that.

[975] I don't know, two million.

[976] I got to feel like I'm underestimating.

[977] I feel like if I had to do it again, I would say 10.

[978] Okay, go.

[979] Do you want 10?

[980] I'll take 10.

[981] Take 10.

[982] Okay, it's 2 .5 million.

[983] Shit.

[984] Pretty close.

[985] I got greedy.

[986] It's amazing that it's two.

[987] Two and a half million.

[988] It's still a lot of people.

[989] What was it in its heyday?

[990] That's good question.

[991] I remember, wait a minute, what was that merger?

[992] It was time in AOL.

[993] Time Media in AOL, right?

[994] Yeah.

[995] That was like the epitome of the dot com.

[996] fallout like that acquisition where they value they valued aOL at some enormous figure i think i'm right about that i'm talking about a lot of things today worms welcome to the podcast i got air well now it's just that's a oh yeah you could just do all the it's just a news site similar to yahoo wow it looks so weird yeah it looks so odd yep and see there's an example remember how we were talking about traditional media before there's an example of a company he's eventually losing its foothold in an incredibly short span of time where they were the way to get on the internet and then a decade later they're a news site yeah whoa wait a minute and they started buying up you know media properties websites that are successful etc trying to get back into the game in some way but that's a that's another that's an example of how how the acceleration is happening now where adaptation is more necessary than ever you can never rest on what you're currently doing.

[997] You always have to be moving on to the next thing or you turn into a well.

[998] Yeah, and there's also going to be times where whatever you used to do just doesn't exist anymore.

[999] It's going to go away.

[1000] If Blockbuster tried to stay open in some way, shape, or form, it wouldn't have made it.

[1001] Nobody needs that anymore.

[1002] So it went away.

[1003] No. There's going to be a lot of those kind of things when things turn digital.

[1004] Like, record stores they still exist, but it's because records have become kind of cool like an actual record it'll always it'll be there in some format but it just won't be the status quo like comic book stores yeah like comic book stores are cool because to have a physical copy of spider man one is pretty dope but you know what you can get that Marvel has an app that you can get on your iPad right and you watch comic books on an iPad are better comicsology it's Marvel I think it's Marvel has one there's also another really big one I think is called comicsology or something like that they were recently purchased by amazon anyway i'm sorry it's the best way to look at comic books because you flip frame by frame so you don't have spoilers like you know sometimes you'd be reading a comic book and you see the next page yeah you see the explosion that's in the next page and you go oh damn that's going to happen it's actually better what's it is better because you're literally going frame by frame every frame is in a unique frame and you put it down and pick it back up you're right where you left off yeah dude reading comic books and also it's It's not like a limited edition, you can't get it.

[1005] They could reproduce every goddamn comic book that ever existed in a digital form.

[1006] And they'd be fools not to.

[1007] Yeah, and they could do like Netflix, like subscription packages where you just read all you can.

[1008] Yeah.

[1009] You know, not actually have to buy them as one if you're willing to pay a monthly fee or something like that.

[1010] Yeah, and it would make it accessible to the average fan.

[1011] And the real big wig sort of comic book collectors that are willing to pay, how much is Spider -Man one worth?

[1012] Oh, I have no idea.

[1013] It's probably an insane amount of money, right?

[1014] Spider -Man 1?

[1015] Insane amounts.

[1016] A million bucks?

[1017] I don't know.

[1018] Something crazy like that.

[1019] Most people are not going to have it, but you could easily get it if you're a regular kid who had an iPad.

[1020] Like, they could just upload it digitally, and it'd be great.

[1021] Yeah, no problem.

[1022] And it would make things.

[1023] There's this fear, though, that it brings down, it has a potential to bring down the overall economic value of that independent marketplace, where if people aren't going out and spending $8 per, you know, per.

[1024] comic then overall there might be less money there less incentive to get into it less like this is this is the music business argument right about independent stuff I don't think that that makes any sense though because I think that you're just going to make people more excited you're dealing with 350 million people in this country alone right getting more access to the comic book and I think it's going to make them more excited about it the physical copy is still going to be worth a massive amount of money I don't think it undervalues it at all.

[1025] I think, in fact, it probably makes it more exciting to actually hold the copy of it.

[1026] Right.

[1027] But there will be fewer comic bookstores than there were before.

[1028] Will there be?

[1029] I don't know.

[1030] I don't even know how many exist.

[1031] I think that people still love to have the physical thing in front of them.

[1032] Yeah, I do too.

[1033] I don't know.

[1034] I think it's a mix.

[1035] If you look at, like, well, for example, movies, could you sustain a big budget, Michael Bay?

[1036] How much money does he spend?

[1037] on Transformers.

[1038] If people aren't going to go to the movie theater and spend $15 and another 10 on popcorn, is Michael Bay able to make his movies anymore?

[1039] Yeah.

[1040] He is?

[1041] Yeah.

[1042] At the same budget?

[1043] You buy them online.

[1044] Right, but that's what I mean is the consumption medium.

[1045] Once you're online, your expectation is that it's not going to cost you as much as it costs you at the theater.

[1046] It's the context of the theater that pulls that money out of your pocket.

[1047] The highest number, Spider -Man 1 has generated, is...

[1048] For the grade, you know, they grade them from 0 .5, which is a complete magazine, 1 .0, which is very poor.

[1049] 0 .5 is fetched as much as $1 ,600 for a complete, shitty, torn apart Spider -Man.

[1050] Wow.

[1051] For the highest grade, for a perfect copy, $1 .1 million.

[1052] I was close on that estimate, too.

[1053] You were dead on.

[1054] And that's Amazing Fantasy.

[1055] It's only the, that is the original Spider -Man.

[1056] Amazing Fantasy had Spider -Man on the cover, and it was the very first time that we were introduced to Spider -Man.

[1057] It's only the third comic book to break $1 million.

[1058] The other two are Action Comics No. 1, and Detective Comics No. 27.

[1059] Amazing.

[1060] Many million bucks for some paper.

[1061] See, but people, but look at there.

[1062] It's like the shitty version of it that's all fucked up is only worth $1 ,600, but the best, perfect, crisp clean.

[1063] That's a huge gap.

[1064] Yeah.

[1065] I think there's always going to be that.

[1066] I completely agree with you that that's always going to exist, too.

[1067] I guess the part I'm talking about is just more mass consumption, that if the mass consumption medium was paper that needed to be distributed everywhere, the average cost of consumption for the average user would be higher than it is in a subscription -based model.

[1068] Like Netflix, for example, is $8 a month, but what did you spend on rentals before Netflix existed?

[1069] A lot more.

[1070] A lot more.

[1071] Yeah, that's true.

[1072] That's a good way of looking at it.

[1073] And also, the amount of comics that are released, like new ones that are digitally, released right now the amount of apps just for viewing comic books is you know there's a couple but it's not like the same i mean if you used to be able to go to any grocery store anywhere and there would be an aisle that had comic books there'd be like a thing that spun around that little rack yeah that had comic books on it yeah like that slowly is going to be did yeah so it's kind of like our amazon conversation from earlier where streamlining the delivery method inevitably cuts money from that transaction cuts money out it kind of does i guess but you can't think that no no i'm not supporting that no i know you know yeah i'm just saying that that's the counter argument in all this stuff and probably the better analogy is the michael bay one is this idea that the traditional model as fucked up as it is and maybe the most original ideas aren't getting out it generates a fuck ton of money yeah it's interesting but it's an inevitable part of innovation like the horseshoe maker of the 1800s is probably so pissed when cars came along He's like, I bought this fucking house with horseshoes.

[1074] My whole kingdom is from horseshoes.

[1075] I'd like to see his reaction.

[1076] He's probably so mad.

[1077] You know, the guy's probably going ape shit right now.

[1078] You don't need a fucking car.

[1079] Okay, hey, he's not that expensive.

[1080] All of a sudden he became Jerry Seinfeld.

[1081] I don't know.

[1082] What was that?

[1083] Why do you need hay?

[1084] He strikes me as a horseshoe kind of game.

[1085] He's a car guy.

[1086] He's the opposite of a horseshoe guy.

[1087] He's got like a million car.

[1088] Right, but he's got old ones.

[1089] Yeah, but old Porsches.

[1090] That's his main thing, though.

[1091] Porsche's is his main thing.

[1092] Porsche's his main thing.

[1093] He's got some ungodly number of Porsche 9 -11.

[1094] Who's got better cars overall, him or Leno?

[1095] Leno.

[1096] Wow.

[1097] Leno has more car.

[1098] Yeah, Leno is a gangster.

[1099] He has a full -time staff that takes care of his cars.

[1100] They're in a warehouse.

[1101] He has an online show.

[1102] Yeah, he's got some giant place.

[1103] airport.

[1104] Wow.

[1105] He also has a show, a web show that he does, like all based on cars, breaking down cars.

[1106] Seinfeld has that Cars and Coffee show.

[1107] I've watched it.

[1108] He's pretty close.

[1109] It's a close second.

[1110] His show is more, I mean, it's a little bit about the car, but more about hanging out with unique individuals.

[1111] I don't mind that show.

[1112] No, it's not bad.

[1113] You think about a traditional media guy from 90, the 90s, I think it's a decent transition.

[1114] It's definitely better than that marriage ref thing, whatever that was on TV.

[1115] That was dog shit.

[1116] But you can't fix marriages Who the fuck told you to fix marriages This is how you fix them You break them You break them And you tell the people Get your shit together Meet somebody else And don't let this happen again Don't let it get to the point Where you're on TV Working out your grievances Sniping at each other In front of America But his coffee Comedians in Cars or whatever It kind of has like a podcast vibe To it a little bit Very much so It's probably edited a little too much For my taste But Otherwise I feel like you're sort of getting an uncensored version of both individuals.

[1117] Pretty much, yeah.

[1118] And it's also a passion project, whereas he doesn't need any money.

[1119] Exactly.

[1120] Probably doesn't make much from it.

[1121] Although they're still getting those Accura ads in there.

[1122] They are, sure.

[1123] They're nice and smooth, too.

[1124] Yeah, they're good ads.

[1125] He's good at it.

[1126] He's good at the show.

[1127] He really loves cars, but that's why it's a passion project.

[1128] He really is a guy like he was driving a 1973 Porsche 9 -11 R .S. which is a very rare car.

[1129] It's worth a million dollars.

[1130] Yeah, and he was driving it around with someone.

[1131] I forget who it was.

[1132] It was in the car with him.

[1133] But I think he's the guy who hosts Seth Myers.

[1134] Is that his name?

[1135] Yeah, that guy.

[1136] I think it was him.

[1137] One of those, some comedian character, whoever it was.

[1138] Sure.

[1139] And, you know, you could tell as he's describing the car.

[1140] Like, these are Jerry's words.

[1141] These are real car nut.

[1142] There's such a difference between that and someone who is just doing that gig.

[1143] Like, there's plenty of those guys online.

[1144] that are doing the car gig because they could have been a weathercaster or they could have been...

[1145] Journalism school.

[1146] Yeah, not even that.

[1147] I mean, it could have been a fucking top 40 DJ or something.

[1148] But instead, they're reviewing cars.

[1149] This is the new automatic transition.

[1150] Transmission.

[1151] It's a seven -speed dual clutch setup.

[1152] Yeah.

[1153] It is a difference between that and like Matt Farrah, who's a friend of mine who has a show called Drive.

[1154] He's on that and smoking tires.

[1155] Pretty much if you've got a script and a teleprompter, you're doing it wrong.

[1156] Yeah.

[1157] Yeah, and that's the thing about, like, if you can pursue your interests, you'll never work a day in your life.

[1158] If you can actually find a job where you're doing what you love, unless it becomes a burden, which also you can fuck up.

[1159] True.

[1160] You can fuck up, and the thing that you love can become your, you know, it's like marrying your mistress.

[1161] Yeah.

[1162] At least you're still doing it your way and fucking up your way.

[1163] Yeah.

[1164] You know, it's still, it's so different than having somebody else tell you what's right and wrong to experience it.

[1165] self like sort of like the bicycle thing someone can tell you you can you're going to fall but it's you're never going to learn as fast as experiencing the failure and and and uh iterating based on it you know that's something that i think makes like youtube for example so great is that the content producer themselves is keeping track of so many different we're producers we're creative we're content creators writers whatever whatever wearing all these different hats so you get to essentially see so many different perspectives on the output what eventually becomes the video and that job used to take that's a super common question I get when I talk to people is you do this you mean you do all that on your own all of it like where's the what about the camera guy what about this guy what about that guy etc and but there is some level of control and creativity and imagination that can come free when you know how to do everything you know what I mean when you aren't seeing physical barriers everywhere You're like, I know how to do that.

[1166] Well, you're also seeing you in an undirected atmosphere.

[1167] Exactly.

[1168] It's really you.

[1169] And you're an interesting guy.

[1170] You're a passionate guy about all these different things that you're reviewing.

[1171] So it draws you in.

[1172] There's no, there's no fakeness to it all.

[1173] There's no very produced layer.

[1174] In the back, all of us had ideas.

[1175] You know what I mean?

[1176] Everyone was directing everyone else and themselves and the whole thing.

[1177] And if in a more regimented environment, it just sucks the life out of everything.

[1178] Well, we were talking about that.

[1179] If we had a producer back there that was calling the shot.

[1180] With a clipboard.

[1181] Meanwhile, I was just five guys laughing hysterically.

[1182] And just like, and trying to make the best video too.

[1183] Like everybody's idea was clearly about trying to like, maybe we could get this shot.

[1184] What about that?

[1185] Maybe we could do that or this.

[1186] And it became like we were ramping it up and escalating it to make it better.

[1187] And I feel like I feel like that's what exposes the traditional media model.

[1188] in the sense that like if we're having fun it's going to come through coming back to the social media kind of element we're these guys friends we need to get as close to the experience of having them here as we can for them to get the most out of the video and every time you put this business person or whoever in between that communication spectrum all of a sudden there's this filter and audiences are more sophisticated than ever and that's why I feel like YouTube is the place it's the ultimate battleground because everybody has equal access to viewership and so you can come with your big budget and you can come with your fancy voice the one you were doing there the fancy voice you can come with your million dollars in fact bring it a million dollars bring it and the organic shit will win in fact in fact a couple of years ago a couple of years ago Google thought we need more premium content on YouTube so they launched this premium content initiative spent an enormous amount of money like a hundred million dollars to convince traditional media people to bring their content to YouTube.

[1189] Almost everything within that initiative bombed.

[1190] Wow.

[1191] Because it wasn't passion -based.

[1192] Because it wasn't passion -based and it wasn't organic to the platform.

[1193] It was this really weird kind of Frankenstein version of it, you know?

[1194] And I'm really passionate about it.

[1195] I'm really passionate about people that are web -native remaining that way, you know, and a fat paycheck not necessarily changing that.

[1196] Yeah, I don't think it would change that for you.

[1197] you really do enjoy it and love it and the only thing that would change is if it became a burden, you know, if it became you were beholden to another company you were beholden to if you had Sony sponsors unblocked, you know, I mean, imagine Sony sponsored unbox therapy?

[1198] Well, dude, I mean, it's not impossible.

[1199] At all.

[1200] I mean, on the web there's this advertising is the web.

[1201] And no one wants to talk about that.

[1202] You know, people want to run ad block and pretend that it doesn't exist.

[1203] every site you love every video you love everything important and interesting on the web or the or a lot of it the vast majority of it is supported by the fact that brands are paying to be in your face Google exists because they're an advertising company first and foremost that's how they keep the doors open right but there's this really weird thing where people you know haters whoever people want to come on there and pretend that it's actually something else they're participating in but if it wasn't for advertising and real money finding it's way to the web none of us would be here right now you need it you need it to survive and you need it to invest back in the content i'm out here in l .A. right now shooting fucking arrows it's not free i get a ten thousand dollar camera back there it's not free if you want to see cool shit it's going to cost you but at least in this environment you know it's spent on the actual thing and not spent on some woman walking around with a clipboard right well i've been to certain youtube shows that are super overproduced yeah have you ever seen youtube shows where they do it like a Hollywood show where they have makeup artists and producers and there's a there's a guy that's holding the camera there's another guy directing it and someone who's overviewing the thing yep i've seen like six seven people i've been i've been on the same sets man and what is that that's the blockbuster effect those those are the traditional people taking the easiest path to secure their position without being imaginative it's also people that think that you have to do that in order to be legit you have to have all those roles that's right if yeah if there's not today we had probably five people holding cameras yeah you know what i mean not everybody not because it was their job but because it was exciting to try and get an interesting frame themselves yeah you know we wasted everybody on the actual subject matter instead of having somebody putting powder on our faces and there was also there wasn't the the the voice of reason didn't exist no there was no one person it was no say look look we can't that that's too far i'm gonna lose our sponsors we're gonna exactly i think once you've had the real version once you've had the uncensored version once you've had you on the podcast and you've had me and my show it's really hard to ingest us in another format you know yeah it's well it'd be really hard it'd be really hard to recreate that too like to recreate someone who's really interested in what they're talking about really passionate about it's i don't think you can recreate it you either into it or you're not yeah you can't fake that it comes through You know, that's a big issue in mixed martial arts, too.

[1204] In mixed martial arts, there was a bunch of those sort of sports guys that got into mixed martial arts and were doing commentary on it, but really didn't know what the fuck they were talking about.

[1205] But they were more sports, and they would say, like, ridiculous shit.

[1206] And the hardcore fans would go crazy.

[1207] They'd go after them.

[1208] They're like, you're not really a fan.

[1209] You fucking weird faker guy who doesn't even understand what you're talking about.

[1210] And it just shone through.

[1211] And then there's other guys that do it that they clearly love it.

[1212] And those are the ones that are usually embraced, for the most part.

[1213] The only problem from a business perspective is when the guy, if the guy you're employing knows more about the thing than you do, who's really in the power position?

[1214] Right.

[1215] You see, there's something really enticing about putting a puppet in.

[1216] It's true, yeah.

[1217] Or putting an expert in who will do your bidding.

[1218] putting it yeah exactly an expert the way you see it a well compensated expert who knows that to be a company man an expert actor yeah and when it comes to electronics and things that's when it gets really squirly because of Sony knows that you've been beholding to LG and they try to lure you from the LG side and then and then LG finds out that you well you fucking went over to Sony huh you goddamn turncoat like you you've relationships and the whole fucking thing yeah how does that work like when you get stuff like i know top gear okay you know that show top gear from the bbc great show great show well they had a problem with american uh with doing it in america because they shit on some cars i mean they jeremy clarkson takes open dumps on some cars and portures like for years and years until like the nine nine seven turbo was the first Porsche he praised right he would shit on them how stupid they were and they were basically overgrown Beatles and like, I mean, it would constantly do that and because of that, like a lot of American car companies didn't want to donate their cars to them and they had a real issue doing that show on American TV.

[1219] We kind of dipped into that in the last conversation about how when your subject matter comes from a company, like if, you know, if you want to go shoot a rom -com movie, the subject matter are the actors that you hire.

[1220] But in this case, these are our actors.

[1221] These is what makes the video or breaks the video.

[1222] I mean, I can sit there and talk about what I've heard all I want.

[1223] But without it in my hands, I have no interpretation to share with you.

[1224] So it's a very big deal maintaining these relationships and making sure that you're going to get your hands on this stuff.

[1225] And therefore, it is important what people say and how they say it.

[1226] And so I was ranting last show on tech journalism.

[1227] And somebody had a really good point in the YouTube comments about journalism in general.

[1228] They're like, wait a minute.

[1229] Think about politics.

[1230] Think about commercials on CNN.

[1231] Think about the agenda of anybody trying to get a message out there.

[1232] If you can shroud it under the heading of journalism, it's going to get past the filtration system that much easier.

[1233] See, it's the best advertising, real advertising, is stuff you don't even know is there.

[1234] Oh, like we just said.

[1235] Product placement.

[1236] I remember when I first found out about product placement.

[1237] I think it was on news radio.

[1238] There's two, there's different.

[1239] types of product placement one there's free product that they just give you free product and so you drink their sodas on the set and you wear their clothes like Nike will give you free sneakers if you're on a television show like things along those lines so there's that kind and then there's also like where you are supposed to be holding up a Coca -Cola while you're in the like man we've got to find this fucking killer before he kills again it's refreshing it's really helping me fight crime You know, that's like the low, the lo -fi version.

[1240] That's, that's like the unsophisticated version of it.

[1241] But that unsophisticated version rears its ugly head pretty often, sometimes offensively.

[1242] Yeah, on cable TV.

[1243] And the internet, yeah, the internet will react.

[1244] The internet won't put up with that shit, man. Product placement, you fuckheads.

[1245] The internet won't put up with that shit.

[1246] And ultimately, I don't think it functions nearly as well.

[1247] Here's the thing.

[1248] I always get pissed off when I'm watching a movie or something, and they've completely covered up the logos on everything.

[1249] Because watching that movie for me It's all about the suspension of this belief I have to believe that what I'm looking at Is potentially possible Like if it's an Apple laptop But the Apple part is blurred out Every reality show ever Is that as bad as when it's a Sony show And everyone's got a Sony I was watching a movie the other day Where everyone had Sony everything Sony Vio laptops The worst right now is music videos Music videos is not longer a viable business To invest that much money in a video And all you're going to get is a little bit of ad revenue of YouTube.

[1250] So they're all supported heavily by product placement.

[1251] You'll see beats audio.

[1252] You'll see special phones and like super heavy duty in the frame, you know.

[1253] But for me, if we can all agree that the audience themselves is becoming more sophisticated, we need to get better at hiding the Easter eggs in our entertainment because you're going to fuck up my suspension of disbelief.

[1254] Yeah, using them so blatantly obvious.

[1255] Like I said with this movie I saw the other day, every time they took a photograph it was a Sony camera every time what fucking movie was it god damn it yeah you need to call this out right now yeah i'm trying to remember what movie it is i just saw it yeah well here's the problem with the blatant call out is that all of a sudden as a consumer your guard is up right we are bombarded with brand messages on a daily basis and so because of it we build up this force field right i don't know i don't remember what the figure is you're inundated with thousands of brand messages before you even get to work in the morning type thing yeah and so your guard is up and so it doesn't pass into that other portion of you that subconscious portion of your mind that controls your purchasing decisions so not only are you fucking up my entertainment by not allowing for the suspension of disbelief but you're not also you're also not selling me your product because i saw what you did there right yeah and if i do buy it like i'm buying it in spite of what you did because exactly like it's so good i'll buy it anyway but god you idiots oh deliver us from evil that's what it was what's it about oh it's a silly fucking movie it's supposedly it's an eric banna movie it's based on um the real life instances of a new york city police detective who had a serious thing where a guy was possessed like get the fuck out of here it's so ridiculous so but and that had product placement yeah really blatantly obvious product placement it was pretty silly yeah like so much so like every time they use the phone you got to see the Sony logo clearly in place and that's a that see brands themselves the people making those calls they're the wrong fucking people they're the wrong people that there's some meeting somewhere and they're going okay we can have the phone in for three frames or eight frames I don't go we'll take eight frames because we want as much of this as we can get well it's not a question of quantity it's not you just got to plant the seed man well if you're teaching them how to be fuck at I don't think you should do that But I don't think that's fuckhead at all Because my life experience I don't care about advertising Like I personally think good advertising Is one of the most sophisticated art forms that exists Right I have enormous respect for good advertising The problem with advertising It's context Like for example Women, they're going to read Vogue magazine Right Vogue magazine is as much about the people They choose to let advertise in there As it is about anything they write on their own It's all about context The experience of picking it up, going through the pages, finding things that are attractive, what's pulling you in.

[1256] And knowing that for $3 or $4, you are now completely consumed in the culture of all this really expensive stuff in these really expensive brands, and it's all connected.

[1257] See, their narrative, the narrative on Vogue magazine is not about what they're putting into it.

[1258] It's about who else is there.

[1259] Who's at the party?

[1260] Gucci's there.

[1261] Louis Vuitton is there, et cetera.

[1262] It's about building that entire thing up.

[1263] And for the mail perspective, DuPont Registry, even better example.

[1264] Perfect.

[1265] DuPont Registry is an ad book.

[1266] You're buying an ad book.

[1267] Everything in that magazine is an advertisement.

[1268] And we like it.

[1269] Everything, and we love it.

[1270] And it's there at every fucking newsstand, you see a DuPont Registry, and it's got some new car on that costs way too much fucking money for 99 .999 % of the people that ever buy that magazine to afford.

[1271] That's right.

[1272] Probably more than that.

[1273] Like Bugatti Veyron, a million five, and it's on the cover.

[1274] And you're like, what?

[1275] Who's this magazine for?

[1276] It's an ad for a car that costs more than most people's fucking houses.

[1277] What else is the Rob Report?

[1278] Yes, that's another one.

[1279] All the Rob Report is everything, though.

[1280] It's like yachts and planes, vacation homes in Hawaii and all this crazy shit.

[1281] But that's the thing is like ultimately people want to be told what to get.

[1282] You know, we don't have the time.

[1283] It's the reason that channels like mine exist.

[1284] you don't have that there are so many the product sphere is so huge now that keeping tabs on all of it is very difficult to do and in some ways we're reverting back to the informational type of advertising that existed in previous times you know you break the show and the guy comes out and he goes I'm I got the new Colgate toothpaste and the host of the show is actually showing you what it is and what it does right see advertising has moved so far in the abstract direction right where it's like your advertising advertising for beer, but everyone's partying all the fucking time.

[1285] It's like, what am I buying?

[1286] I'm buying a party in a bottle, right?

[1287] I'm buying a party in a bottle, right?

[1288] I'm buying it.

[1289] I'm hanging out with these guys, Lou.

[1290] That's their dream come true.

[1291] The problem is beer is not representative of the massive sphere that we have to purchase within.

[1292] We need to buy complicated shit, too.

[1293] Right.

[1294] And you can't just tell me my life's better because I have it.

[1295] I need evidence, man. That's the place where you come in.

[1296] And then Marcus, anybody who, that's how you say his name?

[1297] Marquez.

[1298] Marquez.

[1299] I say Marquez, he doesn't care if he's Marcus or Marquez, or if we want to shout out his channel, it's MKBHD.

[1300] Awesome reviews.

[1301] Yeah.

[1302] Awesome reviews.

[1303] But the kind of in -depth coverage of electronics just did not exist, even on like the screensavers, even on, they just couldn't.

[1304] There's no way you can.

[1305] No. No one has that time.

[1306] And it highlights the issues that people have with traditional media.

[1307] You know, it highlights the issues that people have with having a very.

[1308] very specific time where you have to tune into something it's true that's that was a that's a huge barrier to creativity oh it's a mess because you have to build this messaging that's suitable for this huge amount of people at one time like you know the super pole right you spend a million dollars for commercial because everybody's paying attention at that time but it's not targeted at all right you're not reaching anybody specifically i mean maybe more dudes are watching it than women though i was amazed at the female figures there's a lot of women watching it too Everyone in the house is watching it.

[1309] But ultimately, part of it is the shotgun approach.

[1310] Part of it is just getting the name of your goddamn thing to as many people as possible.

[1311] But I think real decision making happens at a much deeper level.

[1312] Personally, that's my feeling.

[1313] So awareness is point A, but knowledge is the next step.

[1314] So, fine, make your introduction at the Super Bowl, but that's not enough.

[1315] You can't stop there.

[1316] Yeah, and I think that also the kind of advertising, like the difference between advertising and informative entertainment, which is essentially what you're doing.

[1317] I mean, when you're doing your things.

[1318] What I'm doing, yeah, but brands are trying to do what I do now.

[1319] Like, Samsung will do their own unboxing videos.

[1320] Really?

[1321] Hell yes.

[1322] And who does it for them?

[1323] Some random employee.

[1324] Fucking scrubs.

[1325] Yeah.

[1326] No, seriously.

[1327] So it's not someone.

[1328] If you want a major mind blow, look one up later, look up the, I believe it was the S5 or the Note 3, a Korean girl did it for me. Yeah, not good.

[1329] Not a good job.

[1330] It's the whole thing.

[1331] It feels, the whole thing feels so bizarre.

[1332] Again, again, you're hitting that, you're hitting that force field.

[1333] You're hitting that sensor.

[1334] People are alerted.

[1335] You know, we're all, that's what I love about it.

[1336] I love that sophisticated advertising or not sophisticated, I don't even know if it's just advertising, but sophisticated content drives a more sophisticated viewer.

[1337] I love that.

[1338] That all these people out there that experience my content now are going to hold everything else up to that standard.

[1339] Right.

[1340] You see?

[1341] Yeah.

[1342] So you are literally pushing the entire marketplace by not fitting within a particular paradigm.

[1343] That's so interesting, man. And it's also kind of redefining how we view.

[1344] the information that we get on on each product like it used to be the only information that you got about a new Chevy truck was either reading about it in a magazine because you're so intrigued that you pick up a Chevy truck magazine or you'd get an ad you'd see an ad for a Chevy truck now you go online any Chevy truck review everyone does and there's so many reviews for I've been looking at a new SUV my my lease is up on my SUV I'm thinking about something else to get or a truck or whatever and I'm reading all these different reviews and you get lost man it's almost an overload because you like look up the Toyota Land Cruiser okay the Land Cruiser you binge you binge on it you binge on it how much time did you spend oh lots of hours how much time will you put into this purchase quite a bit more than anything else because it's my the family vehicle so it's I want to make sure they're safe and they're big and they can carry all our shit if we're going anywhere seats fold in a million different ways that's big you know entertainment things so I have a four -year -old and a six -year -old.

[1345] They get their little party on, the back seat, and everything's groovy.

[1346] iPhone connection.

[1347] Got to look at those.

[1348] Everybody has that, pretty much.

[1349] What's the new one?

[1350] What's the thing called?

[1351] CarPlay.

[1352] Car play, yeah.

[1353] What's that?

[1354] Well, that's what, that's, well, we sort of had that conversation about Google.

[1355] They're doing their own version, but Apple has it there, in -car software, and they have a few automakers they've aligned with to put essentially an iPhone experience in your dash.

[1356] So you no longer have that dumb unit.

[1357] You know what they're doing also for a lot of back seats.

[1358] They have this thing where you lock in an iPad.

[1359] Oh, right.

[1360] And the kids watch...

[1361] Just fuck it.

[1362] Just paste it right in there.

[1363] The kids watch their iPad, and they also have games that they can play on it.

[1364] And they also have their own individual ear jack.

[1365] Oh, definitely.

[1366] Or they can go Bluetooth within the device.

[1367] So they have wireless headphones.

[1368] You know, mommy and daddy don't have to listen to the fucking frozen for the hundredth time.

[1369] That's the thing about kids, Matt.

[1370] It's cute.

[1371] It's adorable.

[1372] But once they love something, they just want to watch it over and over and over and over and over.

[1373] I went through Tangled.

[1374] I went through a period of watching Tangled.

[1375] I probably saw it 100 times.

[1376] Wow.

[1377] Mine don't do that yet.

[1378] No?

[1379] Mine are American.

[1380] They're different than yours.

[1381] My kids are different.

[1382] They have different DNA.

[1383] No, they're not.

[1384] They're different.

[1385] You want to know, mine, my two -year -old especially, you got to remember, they've had all the technology, all the video games since day one.

[1386] So no Waldorf school for your kids.

[1387] Fuck no. Do you know about Waldorf school?

[1388] They make you play with wooden toys.

[1389] I had a friend who went there, yeah.

[1390] No electronics.

[1391] Yeah, no, no, none of that.

[1392] Nice kids.

[1393] Well, that's subjective.

[1394] Nice is a subjective word.

[1395] Right, I agree.

[1396] But no, listen, I'm immersed in it.

[1397] I want to connect with them.

[1398] How am I?

[1399] In fact, Will's been in a bunch of my videos, my four -year -old lately, which is amazing because half of this shit, he sees it come in the house, you know, and he doesn't get to participate.

[1400] in that part of it so i think i have the in that sense i have the coolest job i get to do shit with him but um and most of and every time it's him driving it not me so for the audience it's like you're exploiting him or whatever this is him nagging me weeks on end let's make another video four years old he likes it he loves it that's funny loves it but they're so into this world that uh like youtube for example they full give them an ipad they know how to navigate youtube and it's the craziest part and i and i've talked about this before as well is like the consumption thing that i'm in like the product world the the the tech world it exists for different spectrums too like makeup and beauty and kids shit my they research their toys man they they research the stuff they want yeah so they're watching plato sets they're watching car sets they're watching lego lego man so they're getting started even earlier than me not only that those toys get reviewed now with a star rating system that's right like if you go to amazon and you look up children's toys you'll see a rating system in comments that the parents and the children will even like tell the parents what they like or don't like about a toy and the parents talk about like the build quality which you used to you know you used to have to like reconsumer reports or find out of right if it was even safe or there's a dangerous toys that broke and stabbed you and you felt oh uh the high chairs recall of fucking high chair because people are falling over or whatever now all that shit's out in the open it's amazing see but here's the thing it's like if if the blockbuster guys are on one end of the spectrum poor fucking blockbuster guys i keep on calling them out they still exist those are real guys they're listening right now probably not poor bastards anyway if the blockbuster guys are on one end of the spectrum and my kids are on the other because i'm already completely sensitized to the traditional media messaging like it's not going to fucking work on me it should sure as fuck isn't going to work on them.

[1401] Yeah.

[1402] They know how to get around it.

[1403] Not only that, they're from the job.

[1404] How old are you?

[1405] 29.

[1406] I'm 46.

[1407] Right.

[1408] So, obviously, I dealt with a lot of years where there was no influence whatsoever by the common person with social media and the ability to spread in from me. Like, a guy like you didn't exist when I was young.

[1409] My job didn't exist when I was in high school.

[1410] My guidance counselor couldn't have told me what the fuck I was going to be doing because YouTube wasn't even a thing.

[1411] You probably wouldn't have told you to do it anyway.

[1412] Even today, what guidance counselor is going to tell you, hey, man, you should make some YouTube videos.

[1413] I get that question more than anything else from young people.

[1414] How do I do what you do?

[1415] It's a number one question.

[1416] You just start doing it, right?

[1417] That's it.

[1418] I mean, those people that are asking that question, you guys are knuckleheads.

[1419] Stop with the questions.

[1420] Just go do something.

[1421] That's the problem with people.

[1422] They like to talk about shit so much.

[1423] They don't actually do shit.

[1424] I've been reading Stephen King's book on writing, which is a great book.

[1425] I was reading it this weekend.

[1426] and one of the great things about the book is he says like you don't talk about writing so much like you should just go write just get it done like a lot of times people and this is also in Stephen Pressfield's book The War of Art a lot of times people will distract themselves from the actual work at hand by talking about it definitely no I I completely feel that way in fact in my studio I tried to create it in such a fashion where the friction between me starting something and not starting something is at the lowest level possible you've done the same thing here obviously I mean Jesus you just sit down and go yeah you know and that's the key because human beings we will naturally find ways out of doing what we know we're supposed to be doing but this is easy to do this is like at all the things that I do that require me to do it whether it's writing being the most difficult stand up being the least difficult this is the easiest stand up being the least difficult oh oh to get me to do oh okay I love doing stand up right right really fun right you know it's probably the most difficult to get right this is probably the easiest out of all the things that I do I don't know I don't know but at all the things that I do you no no it might be to you but I mean to the average person I think this format is it requires a certain openness about yourself because to do a set are you are you revealing as much about yourself in a comedy set as you are in a three -hour conversation you definitely reveal more in a three -hour conversation I would think I would think so too.

[1427] You can, especially when you do 500 of them.

[1428] That's what I'm saying.

[1429] Yeah.

[1430] Yeah, that's what I get a sense.

[1431] And a lot of people I know, the barrier that's holding them back in the first place is insecurity about who they are or what they have to share or whether or not anyone gives a fuck.

[1432] Well, that's a much tougher place to put them in this seat where they're expected to show who they are for three hours instead of mastering this really perfect little box, this little thing that represents them.

[1433] Right.

[1434] Like, I think, uh, I make most of my videos are three to five minutes long and I think a person could listen to this podcast right here and know more about me than if they watched 500 of them oh most certainly what's the longest you've ever done a video for is anything that's like really complex that warrants much longer you know you can get up into like 10 15 maybe 15 like what would be 15 like a new phone or something like really complicated some kind of comparison like something versus something else but you don't like limit yourself like you well there's this it let's And if you're, you had to be smart in anything that you do if you're investing a lot of time in it.

[1435] And so there is definitely a retention issue.

[1436] We, if we're willing to identify the fact that consumption habits are changing and the web is the driving force behind that, and we also need to be cognizant of the fact that we need to fit within a certain, fit within certain boundaries, even though those boundaries are loose and no one's going to fucking tell you one way or the other, a lot of the conversations I have in brainstorming that I do is about hyper -focusing and iterating.

[1437] and finding better ways of reaching people.

[1438] And we just, I think a lot of us, I'm speaking, I guess, for the community as a whole, have figured out that three to five minutes is just what makes sense.

[1439] Three to five minutes is a song length as well.

[1440] Yeah, it's really weird, it's really weird that it lines up that way.

[1441] Three minutes is what they say, right?

[1442] You see, like, something, yeah, for sure.

[1443] Something weird, we don't have YouTube up there right now, but, like, if you look at the YouTube interface, it's, A lot of thought goes into the way things are laid out.

[1444] People freak out whenever anything changes and why the fuck is that.

[1445] They're Google's stupid.

[1446] People love saying this shit like that.

[1447] Yeah, YouTube does a pretty decent job of setting up, like if you watch, click on one of those videos, Brian.

[1448] Like one of your videos, you would look on the right.

[1449] And you get suggested stuff.

[1450] That's what sends you down those fucking rabbit holes, man. That's where shit gets weird.

[1451] But here, see, so here's the thing about this frame right now that we're looking at.

[1452] at what point does this video become less enticing than the juicy shit on the right right you see he full screened it so he kind of killed it but full screening it definitely does full screening it does right but why is youtube not by default a full screen interface well because they're about view times as a whole yeah did we talk about this last time did that did we I don't remember but that totally makes sense the way they're designed I think it's the perfect design Also, the comments, as inane and retarded and fucking aggravating as they can be, they engage people and get people to spend more time.

[1453] There's some folks that just do not have an outlet.

[1454] And I think that's sometimes reflected in the angry and anger and vitriol that you see exhibited on YouTube page.

[1455] It's not even representative oftentimes of what they're actually reviewing.

[1456] It's a reflection of their own life, is that people don't feel like they are heard.

[1457] They don't feel like they matter They don't feel like they have a voice And then finally when they do have a voice Like What they're saying is no one wants to fuck me My boss is an asshole I pick the shitty career You know I don't like Where I live I sort of feel like People within those communities Don't get enough recognition though So like Which communities So like my Let's say my best viewers Let's say your best viewers Anyone's The best They're all the same to me Louis Get the fuck out of my face right now.

[1458] They're all awesome people.

[1459] Get out of my face right now.

[1460] How dare you?

[1461] Listen, there are people who are fucking Joe Rogan diehards.

[1462] Those people matter more to you than the 100 ,000 others that are fair weather type viewers.

[1463] They're evangelists for you.

[1464] They're out there saying to their buddies, you fucking hear the podcast, go check out the podcast.

[1465] You need to hear this podcast.

[1466] Check out this guest he had on, so on and so forth.

[1467] Don't tell them they're important.

[1468] Then they're going to want more attention.

[1469] No, no, no. What are you doing?

[1470] You're fucking up everything.

[1471] There's a way that this can work.

[1472] There's a way that it can work.

[1473] Yeah, mushrooms.

[1474] Everybody's got to get on mushrooms together at the same time.

[1475] No, no, no, no. Here's how it works.

[1476] We need to find a way to reward the most important in our own communities.

[1477] Okay, because here's why.

[1478] It's not fair that they're out there as evangelists for our brands, and yet they get nothing out of it.

[1479] What are you talking about?

[1480] They get the entertainment out of it.

[1481] That's the whole exchange.

[1482] That's fine.

[1483] Give them something other than the entertainment.

[1484] Then it changes and morphs.

[1485] That's fine.

[1486] They get the entertainment out of it, but so does somebody else who shuts the fuck up immediately after they watch it.

[1487] The part they're doing on their own time is not about the entertainment anymore.

[1488] Right, but don't you do that as well and don't I do that as well?

[1489] Do what?

[1490] But you talk about things that you enjoy, and the benefit of that is that you support the things that you enjoy.

[1491] Like Game of Thrones, for instance.

[1492] I'm a big evangelist of Game of Thrones.

[1493] I can't stop talking.

[1494] They've never paid me. They wouldn't.

[1495] Did I say pay?

[1496] What do you mean?

[1497] By reward.

[1498] There are ways to recognize without necessarily paying somebody.

[1499] Like, who's, let's put it this way.

[1500] Who's your most engaged Twitter follower?

[1501] Who do you talk to more than anyone else?

[1502] I don't think I have a one.

[1503] You probably do.

[1504] No, but I don't.

[1505] I'm saying we don't have an accurate way of figuring out.

[1506] I would, like, you know what would be interesting to me?

[1507] To know who has tweeted at Joe Rogan more than any other user.

[1508] You're going to attract a psycho.

[1509] No. Lewis, it's me. I am the one.

[1510] I am Highlander You're essentially sending out a bad signal to crazy people No, no, no, no, I'm not Calling all crazy people No, I'm not, because in the real world stuff like this Has existed for the longest time Like, take for example a forum A forum's not in the real world, but it's an older platform In a forum Game of Thrones sent me a box See, that counts, that fucking counts by the way It's true Well, they did that after I talked about them forever That fucking counts They didn't just send it just to me either by the way okay no no I know um but like what are you talking about like in what what way would you reward them so what do you got plan in the old days on a forum a forum on the old days what old days mine's been around since 1998 I thought I had the oldest forum on the net or it's one of the oldest forums to me when I get in a forum I feel like I'm in the old internet okay and the reason is because social media to me has sort of sort of absorbed some of what forums used to be for socializing right right so I kind of look at social networks as like forum 2 .0 or whatever right but anyway forums still exist and that's cool but on a forum the people who participate like crazy in some forums they have they have like five stars or something right or they're a reps a contributor a rep a moderator mm -hmm like moderators take lots of pride in being moderators even though they're not getting paid to be moderators right now granted you can have circumstances where things get fucking creepy and weird that's that's going to happen that's inevitably going to happen but for each one of them there's a hundred cool people who want to participate in your community and just get a little bit of recognition for that participation like i really want to know who has tweeted at unbox therapy more than anyone else i don't know who that person is not because not because i want to stock them but because i want to find a way to thank them for stalking you See, you're taking the totally negative approach on this.

[1511] I can't help it.

[1512] It's right there.

[1513] Be optimistic.

[1514] Normally you're the optimistic one, right, on the podcast?

[1515] And the person in this seat is the pessimistic one.

[1516] Not necessarily.

[1517] But I think that I agree in form of what you're saying.

[1518] But I think that the beauty and the purity of the relationship between someone who likes your show and someone who comments on your show, someone who enjoys your show.

[1519] is that your show gets more recognition, more hits, and it continues to grow.

[1520] And they get better content because of it.

[1521] And they enjoy it.

[1522] They enjoy it.

[1523] It makes their life interesting.

[1524] You know, I try as much as possible.

[1525] Like, if you look at my Twitter, one of the things that is about my Twitter that's important to me is anything that I find that's interesting online, I share.

[1526] Right.

[1527] So not everything because it would be a constant stream.

[1528] I put that up.

[1529] I just fucking around.

[1530] How dare you?

[1531] But it would be a constant stream of videos and content.

[1532] I can't do everything.

[1533] But things that I think are fascinating or important.

[1534] Like I put up something from Science Magazine about widespread contamination of the marine environment by microplastics, which I think is really a sad.

[1535] Of course, yeah.

[1536] You know, reversible but needs to be addressed part of our society and the use of plastics.

[1537] our relationship with the oceans.

[1538] Things along those lines.

[1539] Sexy photos on Facebook may cause women to be seen as less competent.

[1540] That's from the Science World Report.

[1541] That's another thing that I tweeted.

[1542] Fascinating, right?

[1543] Interesting.

[1544] So I put a lot of that online.

[1545] So I feel like that is...

[1546] You're adding value for people.

[1547] I completely agree.

[1548] It gives them an incentive also, selfishly, to tweet me these interesting things so that I retweet them because I do that all the time too.

[1549] Ten followers.

[1550] Yeah, a lot of followers.

[1551] And recognition.

[1552] And people, you know, people like to be engaged.

[1553] That's a perfect example.

[1554] I mean, that's part of the reason that I love Twitter.

[1555] Yeah.

[1556] Is that you, they know you see them.

[1557] Mm -hmm.

[1558] But see, in YouTube comments, I mean, you can reply.

[1559] It's impossible to reply to everyone.

[1560] But on Twitter, you see, one guy gets retweeted.

[1561] You think, well, I could get retweeted at some point later.

[1562] Right.

[1563] Something that's been a big conversation lately is the favorite button.

[1564] Are you a fan of the favorite button?

[1565] No. It doesn't make any sense to me. Yeah.

[1566] Well, it doesn't make a lot of sense to a lot of people.

[1567] People use it for different reasons Some people use it to save tweets But that's not the way I use it at all I could care less about saving tweets most of the time I could use it that way But the majority of how I use it is as a recognition piece So you're cool You sent me some cool shit I can't retweet it right now but I see you But why can't you retweet it's just as easy To press retweet as just to press favor Because ultimately you need to curate your feed If you retweet everything everyone sends you You're fucked Right but if you see someone's feed and face Favorites come up.

[1568] No, so like, so what I mean, no, favorites, well, favorites do come up, but it's kind of, you have to go there to get it.

[1569] Right.

[1570] Meaning if you favorite something, it's not going to go on your feed.

[1571] Right.

[1572] So favorites are a little tougher to get your hands on.

[1573] I see what you're saying.

[1574] So you're letting someone know that you see them, you give them a response by favoriting their tweet, but you don't put it on your feed.

[1575] So they can, they know that you see them.

[1576] That makes sense.

[1577] Actually, that's the best use of it that I've ever heard.

[1578] I do it as a bookmark where it's a bookmark where it's.

[1579] That's what it was intended for.

[1580] Yeah, that's how I've used it.

[1581] It's the only way I've ever used to it.

[1582] It's intended as a bookmark, and there's this growing group of people.

[1583] I don't know how many, but when I talk about it on Twitter, a lot of people said they're doing the same thing.

[1584] It's a movement to try and generate essentially a like button on Twitter where it doesn't exist.

[1585] Okay, so the favorite becomes a like button.

[1586] Sort of.

[1587] I like that.

[1588] I like that because I can actually use that way more because the way I use it now, I just, I just don't, I can't.

[1589] There's no way I can tweet everything that comes my way.

[1590] even see everything that comes your way.

[1591] No, it's not possible.

[1592] But if you're sitting on Twitter and somebody takes the effort to, like they thought of you, they saw this cool thing, they thought of you, you hit the star button, and it's like there's an exchange there.

[1593] There's some recognition, it's not a dollar value, but that's the kind of stuff I'm talking about.

[1594] I'm talking about nurturing a community.

[1595] That makes sense.

[1596] That totally makes sense.

[1597] I think nurturing a community also comes from being engaged, from, you know, reading your comments and maybe commenting on them in another podcast or another video cast, whatever you would like to call it, or Twitter, you know, engaging with people as much as possible, answering questions as much as possible.

[1598] But with me, there's a certain balance of engaging and still getting work done.

[1599] Like my thing is all about producing content.

[1600] Yeah.

[1601] I produce hours of a podcast, three days a week, most of the time.

[1602] And then there's the writing of comedy and of random thoughts that have to take place if it doesn't take place my comedy will suffer and probably my conversations that I have on podcast will suffer I need to think about ideas by myself as well as have them in a conversation with people and then there's also the researching of shit the reading of articles the watching of documentaries the reading of magazines or books the amount of time that's left over to just engage with people online is pretty minimal and if you change the balance in a way all the content that you put out suffers right and i think it's easy to forget that the content in and of itself is a communication yes meaning that like it's it's similar to what i said before about the best buy thing how essentially we took a traditional model this guy in his best by store and we said this is much more dynamic and it's much more streamlined to take one guy who really knows and give that to everyone well video is this way of having one message suitable or sent to hundreds thousands millions of people where as a personalized tweet I'm sorry if you were to sit there all day and answer every tweet you ever got you'd never make another thing in your life exactly and ultimately the reason people care about you in the first place is because of all the cool shit you made yeah there's a balance yeah there's a balance and it may be who know maybe it's like a weekly ask me anything sort of a thing like they do on reddit like I've done oh yeah definitely kind of fun some of the guys that we had with us Big proponents of Ask Me Videos as well.

[1603] Yeah.

[1604] And you just, you get thousands of questions in on Twitter and you pick a few and address them.

[1605] It's huge.

[1606] Yeah, I think that might be a better way to do it even because writing things, like one of the issues that I have with blog entries, and I do enjoy reading people's blogs.

[1607] But one of the issues that I have is that if you give someone a free, you know, a page where it's just an open platform to write things and to write about a subject, they're not opposed.

[1608] You know, it's just their thoughts, and it's a way to express thoughts, but they might be saying some incorrect and not factual shit or distorted shit, and they use that as the base for other statements, and they use that as a base to further expand upon these thoughts that were based almost entirely on something incorrect in the first place or distorted in the first place or biased in the first place.

[1609] So it creates this piece, like say if someone was writing something about you, like a really biased piece about Lewis from Unus.

[1610] box therapy.

[1611] Thanks for giving them the idea.

[1612] But you know what I'm saying?

[1613] They did do that and a lot of it was based on some incorrect assumptions about you and some incorrect information or distorted perceptions.

[1614] It probably exists.

[1615] Sure, I'm sure it does.

[1616] But my point being that that's a really bad way to communicate ideas.

[1617] It's good for just trying to shame someone or trying to, you know, just throw mud on their name, but or to praise someone or to pump someone up and create them, you know create some art but the the best way to express an idea is to have that idea sort of vetted out with another person yeah you know and that that doesn't really that that doesn't really happen when you do it in that form no yeah and and another thing too like well building on that is the fact that video in and of itself is the closest thing we have to real life yes to actually meeting somebody yes so you can you know you can you know you can take all of those things that are happening within communication that aren't necessarily the words themselves and you can put those into the overall sort of scenario and the line that you're going to draw based on their perspective you guys were talking recently about uh your buddy on twitter who had the radio show and said some stuff and then got kicked off the radio show anthony yeah yeah and you know how context in so many ways dictates in terms of interpretation.

[1618] So if video is the best, right, video is this modern form of communication and writing is fucking super old, you look at the, first of all, one of them is way better, but look at the reason why writing was invented.

[1619] Writing was invented because you didn't have, what was your alternative?

[1620] Right, but I don't think it's way better.

[1621] Well, because I think writing has its place too for some things.

[1622] It's not, yeah, I don't think, I agree with you.

[1623] I don't think it's a question of better or worse, but look what television did to newspapers.

[1624] Mm -hmm.

[1625] Yeah.

[1626] Or the web did to newspapers.

[1627] Right.

[1628] So it's not better or worse, or maybe it's the comic book discussion all over again.

[1629] Something will win out.

[1630] It will happen.

[1631] Is TV better for people than newspapers?

[1632] It doesn't really matter anymore.

[1633] It's a moot point because people chose TV.

[1634] Right, but that's just because it's passive.

[1635] You just sit there.

[1636] That's right.

[1637] And it just comes to you.

[1638] When given the choice between video, here's something that Google's testing is instead of giving you text -based search results on a Google search.

[1639] They give you video results.

[1640] They give you, you can, you Google something, and there's a video option for Google to serve up.

[1641] They'll grab it.

[1642] That's a lot of my traffic.

[1643] It comes from Google searches, not YouTube searches.

[1644] So Google knows that their objective is to answer your question in the way that you want to have it answered, if that makes sense.

[1645] Right.

[1646] The most suitable format for you to ingest, and oftentimes that means video because retention times are better on video.

[1647] People, I don't want to say are lazy.

[1648] People just like sophisticated delivery models.

[1649] Documentaries, for me, are an amazing way to learn.

[1650] Well, it's also you can't hide when, if someone writes something in print, but they're full of shit, it's hard.

[1651] Yeah.

[1652] It's hard to see that.

[1653] They're exposing less about themselves.

[1654] How much would you like if you ever read, like, you ever read a really crazy Tumblr site?

[1655] Right.

[1656] And you're like, oh my God, I would so much rather hear you say this.

[1657] Yeah.

[1658] You know, like some crazy radical feminist ranting.

[1659] Anti -male ranting.

[1660] But here's the thing about that, too, is when you write something, it's nothing like plastering your face on something.

[1661] Right.

[1662] I think these people wouldn't say half the shit they said if it was their face in front of everyone.

[1663] Most likely.

[1664] And so if you would expose the craziness would come out of it.

[1665] You would see it.

[1666] You'd be like, oh, you're a fucking banana head.

[1667] Oh, sorry.

[1668] I can stop watching this now.

[1669] Now I know what I'm dealing with.

[1670] Or I can watch this with a more level perspective because I know you're nuts.

[1671] That's why I'm saying video is the ultimate.

[1672] The ultimate in terms of bits and bytes.

[1673] Think about the information.

[1674] I write down a bunch of shit on this notepad.

[1675] If I would have put that into bits and bytes, take a photograph, or type it out, that's nothing.

[1676] An SMS message in terms of size, there's not very much data there.

[1677] Yeah.

[1678] That's true.

[1679] That's what held the web back.

[1680] That's why newspapers exist.

[1681] That's why we had to send each other letters.

[1682] We didn't have the bandwidth.

[1683] Now that we have the bandwidth, we can transport ourselves.

[1684] the closest thing we can get to it across the other way and so we have to stand up for the shit that we actually believe in we have to be authentic we have to all these other things immediately fall into line because it's so much harder to fake when you have access to all that extra data well then how come like a sort of 15 second thing on on Twitter hasn't taken off like a 140 character thing like a 15 second video thing oh like fine and shit yeah Like, those, you know, I mean, they're kind of silly.

[1685] Instagram's pretty big, though.

[1686] Yeah, right.

[1687] But, I mean, how many people express themselves on it?

[1688] They have videos where they do things.

[1689] Like, they'll skateboard jump, woo, or they'll fucking ride a motorcycle, whoo.

[1690] You know, they'll have that.

[1691] But how many of them are of people staring at the camera and saying something for 140 characters, you know?

[1692] There's a huge community.

[1693] I mean, Instagram's a humongous.

[1694] But Instagram is mostly pictures.

[1695] Yeah.

[1696] Mostly pictures with context underneath it.

[1697] How many, why, if we're talking about the purest expression, the closest thing you can get to an actual person, being an actual video.

[1698] I like this.

[1699] Why isn't that taking off?

[1700] Why isn't it a pure video communication?

[1701] YouTube.

[1702] Fine.

[1703] Yeah, but 15 seconds.

[1704] Why do you want it to be 15 seconds?

[1705] Because, yeah, that's what I know.

[1706] That's why.

[1707] No, no, I know that.

[1708] Because of like, one of the things that made Twitter stand out is the fact that it's 140 characters.

[1709] Forces concision.

[1710] I see what you're saying.

[1711] So can we force concision with video?

[1712] Is that possible?

[1713] Well, we're talking about ultimate expression.

[1714] Right.

[1715] The ultimate experience of somebody and who they are and what they are.

[1716] What you do over here, three hours, if we're agreeing that it's all about faking it or not faking it, it's only going to get astronomically harder the longer you have to hold it up.

[1717] Right.

[1718] I agree with that.

[1719] But what I'm saying is take out that.

[1720] I definitely agree that to get across a more elaborate.

[1721] point of view or discuss something in depth you would want a YouTube video that's the benefit of youtube but like what about something where i guess a lot of twitter is a sharing of links but take away the sharing of links i went to see the new captain american movie today oh my god did it suck a fat dick boom done that's it vine but do they use it for that yeah people use it for that most of vine is like comedy stuff the vast majority people joking around little tiny seven second skits right Like, some of the popular ones that I recognize is this thing where people really like Jordan shoes.

[1722] I don't know.

[1723] You probably maybe saw this passed around where if a guy's really into sneakers, if he gets a little mark on his Jordans, he freaks out.

[1724] You know, that kind of paradigm.

[1725] Right, right.

[1726] That kind of whatever that is.

[1727] So that's like a thing.

[1728] But on Vine, there's some channels that are dedicated to that, like, what I would do.

[1729] You know, I don't know.

[1730] Really?

[1731] But funny, in a funny way, whatever, a skit.

[1732] I'm doing a terrible job of describing it.

[1733] I use Vine all the time.

[1734] I was pretty much reviewing Spider -Man 3 when I was watching it using Vine and Instagram and stuff like that.

[1735] While you were watching it.

[1736] So you're watching it at home?

[1737] I think there's an issue right now of expectations.

[1738] And I think that when a person logs onto Twitter, they have obvious expectations of what's going to be there, the context of it.

[1739] And I think that right now, YouTube is synonymous with video.

[1740] And it's going to be difficult for any player at any length to come in there and change that.

[1741] I started taking pictures, tweets of drawings, of writings rather than I made.

[1742] I just said I was going to do it for the rest of my tweets from now on.

[1743] It's just even a picture of shit that I wrote down.

[1744] So people could see my handwriting, but I only did it once.

[1745] Yeah.

[1746] I was like, this is stupid.

[1747] It takes way longer to write things.

[1748] Well, not only that, but the problem is there that a lot of what makes the web so good in finding shit you care about is the fact that text is searchable.

[1749] Yeah.

[1750] You take a picture.

[1751] Right.

[1752] All that data is gone.

[1753] That's true.

[1754] But what I was going to say is, how infuriating would it be to people if you made a YouTube video of a bunch of shit you wrote?

[1755] Like page after page, the things you wrote?

[1756] That was a thing.

[1757] Was?

[1758] Is.

[1759] Really?

[1760] The people, super depressed people.

[1761] Oh.

[1762] It says, because they don't have a voice and then they throw the page.

[1763] Oh, wow.

[1764] Leftovers.

[1765] Yeah.

[1766] Did you ever see that one where a woman left a job and she wrote this, the page after page, like a tumbler thing of all these cards?

[1767] like shitting on her boss.

[1768] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1769] And then, so the boss wrote back and did the exact same thing, the same form.

[1770] She was dancing around and shit too.

[1771] Annihilated her, yeah.

[1772] Yeah, yeah, she was wearing, like, sexy outfits and stuff like that.

[1773] And he was talking about how fucking stupid she was and incompetent and a bad employee and selfish.

[1774] But see, that's interesting.

[1775] When people take old tech and introduce it into a new format, the reason that they're doing it is because they're trying to imply, I don't know if they're just, They try and make it more serious than it is, but ultimately I think it's because that person is not the best at expressing themselves in the real form.

[1776] Well, that's weird, because the original version of that was Bob Dylan.

[1777] Bob Dylan, with that song, what was that he did that?

[1778] There was a music video, an old Bob Dylan music video, and then In Excess did it.

[1779] I've seen it.

[1780] Do you think Bob Dylan was great at expressing himself?

[1781] Oh, yeah.

[1782] You don't think he was great at expressing himself?

[1783] No, no, see, but I appreciate it.

[1784] abstract representation but it's it's not the same as sitting in a room with somebody right we never sat in a room with bob dillon that's true good point but that was his art form was expressing himself through music and he did a great lyric did a great job there yeah you know and if you look at look at the lyrics and whatnot incredibly sophisticated and deep and meaningful and all the rest of it but i think i i i don't know i'm drawing a separation myself i think art has always been a way for those for people to communicate in a format that's more comfortable for them you're going to go to their party they're not going to come to yours talking is something we all have to do right you know it's interesting as well as if you went back to Bob Dylan's heyday you went to the 60s and the 70s and said okay we're going to make short films where you just talk about shit and then people could take it and watch it and be like what seems brutal right it seems terrible it seems like why would we just do a song it's like why would we want our why would we want our Bob Dylan in that form but it's the same for celebrities nowadays it's like once upon a time a celebrity was like vapor like what are they doing their spare time now Charlie Sheen arguing with his ex -wife on Twitter yeah exactly do they eat Cheerios like what are they real you know but now this exposure in so many ways has forced them to be real people for us and we can shit all over them.

[1785] Yeah.

[1786] Well, the shitting all over them also.

[1787] We have the access to shit all over.

[1788] That's right.

[1789] That's right.

[1790] And again, it's much like the traditional brand thing coming into YouTube.

[1791] It's like the traditional people have to come to our party now.

[1792] You see, they just got a profile like anyone else.

[1793] Well, sort of.

[1794] And then there's people that exploit that opening.

[1795] Like, if you have like an article, a TMZ article about Kim and Kanye, that is essentially a portal for hate.

[1796] That's all that is.

[1797] What that exists is you open up the comments, and then just let the floodgates of hell just open up on the photo of Kim and Kanye kissing in front of some fucking fountain somewhere.

[1798] That is so fucked up to me that people give a shit about that.

[1799] Give a shit.

[1800] It's probably second only to porn.

[1801] Wow.

[1802] If you thought about the amount of internet space that's used to just shit on random targets of hate, whether it's like some ridiculous celebrities, like it used to be Paris Hilton, and that bitch just evaporated.

[1803] She vanished.

[1804] Don't people realize that piggybacking on that is so fucking low?

[1805] Who?

[1806] The people that are commenting?

[1807] Or the people that are making it?

[1808] All of it.

[1809] All of it.

[1810] Well, the people that are making it was TMZ or any of these.

[1811] They're making a lot of money.

[1812] Have you ever seen there's a Morgan Spurlock has that show Inside Man?

[1813] You ever see that show?

[1814] No, I've seen these documentaries, though.

[1815] Good show.

[1816] It's on CNN, and he does a bunch of different jobs, like, and just will go inside and see what it's like to be.

[1817] different people's lives and one of me did was hung out with a bunch of paparazzi and the way they see it it's like look this is a gig you know sure you wanted to be famous this comes with the gig you know what let's leave them out let's go boil it down all the way to the consumption because that's what drives everything else that's the fuel right why is that something the human beings want to consume because it's fascinating why is that fascinating because we're stupid as fuck because why why does it matter Why does it matter what Kim Kardashian and Connie West are doing?

[1818] Well, this has actually been studied by sociologists, and their conclusion is that gossip was a way of keeping monitoring behavior and the sort of reactions to our own behavior and how people perceived us in the community.

[1819] And it's sort of to elevate themselves by trial and error what we talked about earlier, learning from your mistakes.

[1820] Well, those mistakes sometimes are socially being ostracized.

[1821] because your acts or your words or you know those things existed in communities to kind of keep people in check right well now we live in communities where i've been in the same house for 10 years i barely know my fucking neighbors dude i mean barely i wait there's a few people in my neighborhood that i'm pretty friendly with that i've seen over the times that we've had conversations but we don't hang out we don't know no one's knocking on my door and coming over for dinner you know this we have these weird environments that we live in now and we have this desire to find out what everyone else is up to and the only real way to do that is through gossip and when there's no gossip you just go to the gossip of the kings and queens and who's the kings and queens movie stars rock stars those people that you see in movies low form of communication though well but so compelling so then it becomes well if it's so low why do so many people engage in it what is the draw what is the there's some sort of base human attraction to finding out what Tiger Woods texted to all those freaky bitches on his hit list.

[1822] Yeah.

[1823] You know, there's some strange thing to finding out about...

[1824] I guess it makes people feel better about themselves.

[1825] Gets it seems excited.

[1826] Yeah.

[1827] Finding out some dirt.

[1828] Right.

[1829] But at the same time, they can point and say, you're the fucked up one so my life's more normal or my life's better.

[1830] Well, it takes the focus on their fucked -upness.

[1831] You know, remember when Britney Spears was, like, imploding or whatever it was?

[1832] Shaved her head and went nutty.

[1833] And it was an opportunity for people to point in and say, look how fucking crazy she is.

[1834] The photos of her with a fucking umbrella, wheelie.

[1835] it at photographers exactly yeah yeah it definitely makes you especially when it's that bad yeah do you remember david haselhoff his daughter released a video of him unbelievably drunk like scrounging around yes i do for a hamburger i recall that it was so insane yeah you see this poor fucking guy in the throes of sickness i see shit like scrambling up food like that i see shit like that as traps like if i'm on the web that's like a bear trap to me i get stuck in it you know that link bait and shit yeah if see the web is consumed in these tidbits and all you need to do is grip a person on the lowest common denominator and you win and it's like if the consumers themselves don't man the fuck up and see a trap when it's there and not click on it you know I mean obviously it's obviously a discussion that you're not you can't get to the bottom of but it's like you are essentially supporting the kind of shit you don't really like.

[1836] I was reading this thing on pornography recently or watching this thing.

[1837] It's a TED talk on pornography.

[1838] Somebody sent it to me on Twitter and they said, this guy's the biggest white knight ever.

[1839] And I expected it to be just like a Tumblr website where some dude was like arguing about being a male feminist or something, something along those lines.

[1840] But it was a guy who actually made these like pretty intense, detailed points about what's the real issue with watching pornography.

[1841] And it was pretty fascinating because it was really indebted.

[1842] And he was talking about a lot of shit that's, you know, pretty undeniable and uniquely undeniable.

[1843] Like one of the things he was talking about is that the, that a lot of sex in porn is nothing like sex in real life in that there's no hands.

[1844] And what he meant was there's no caressing and massaging, rubbing and holding and all the thing that people do when they make love.

[1845] They make love.

[1846] No, it's not to say that.

[1847] Very sensitive.

[1848] Instead, it's like people are doing things at odd angles.

[1849] He was a little white nighty, for sure.

[1850] But it's undeniable that when you take, don't just have this idea in your head that there might be something wrong with watching porn, but have it so much so that you've concocted a TED talk.

[1851] And, you know, you've presented yourself as this moral alternative, this moral and ethical alternative to all the other men out there.

[1852] There's certainly like a progressive brownie point sort of a pull of that initiative.

[1853] The something regarding the pornography thing, though, that I think is interesting and maybe a reason why, from a discussion standpoint, there's something there, is because at once upon a time, the consumption of porn, I don't know, when I was a kid, I guess, I don't know, because I sort of missed it, you had to physically go and get a videotape or buy a magazine.

[1854] Well, I'll tell you, son, because I was around back then.

[1855] When I was young, they had video stores, and this was before Blockbuster even took off.

[1856] It was mom and pop video stores, and you would go to these local video stores, and, you know, I used to have them.

[1857] They'd watch you walk into the back.

[1858] Sometimes you have memberships to these video stores, remember those?

[1859] And you had a card, and they would punch your card, and every tenth video you got a fucking discount or a free video.

[1860] There was a, like, you would push beads aside or, like, saloon doors, and you would go into this area, and it was all dicks and fucking asses.

[1861] And mostly not, like, really hardcore shit like you're seeing today.

[1862] Right.

[1863] Like, they would actually, like, the covers of these videos would sort of be concocted knowing that they were going to be placed on a shelf somewhere.

[1864] Yeah.

[1865] That someone could kind of just get to, as opposed to typing in, you know, suckmycock .com or whatever the hell it is.

[1866] And you're going to go right there.

[1867] You know what to expect.

[1868] So American pornography consumption, pre -internet, post -internet.

[1869] well I think it's a lot like our gossip consumption is we have access to it we're going to consume more of it but the amplification level on porn I think is like nothing else I think it's like both of them I think both of them have massive amplification levels because of the access let's put it this way but you could always go to a grocery store and walk out the door with a gossip magazine right super easy access the saloon door thing yeah I mean there's like what to in every town it's was it was in a corner somewhere that's true But a magazine is very finite.

[1870] You know, maybe there's two or three of them on the shelf.

[1871] Yeah, that's true.

[1872] You get from front to back and you have to stop consuming it.

[1873] There's not a lot of stuff there as far as content.

[1874] There are parallels there.

[1875] I mean, I think probably the pornography one.

[1876] I think both of them are based on human instincts.

[1877] They're both kind of fucking similar.

[1878] They're both based on some weird.

[1879] Oh, how about this?

[1880] Gossip is porn for girls, for women.

[1881] Huh.

[1882] But it's not.

[1883] I don't think it is porn for them.

[1884] I don't know.

[1885] Well, there's obviously still porn for women.

[1886] But I'll tell you one thing that you can be sure of.

[1887] There's a man who's really into gossip.

[1888] That guy's a bitch.

[1889] That's a fact.

[1890] If there's a man out there who's really into, like, this girl's shoes or that girl's dress and look at her stupid car.

[1891] I think there's gossip.

[1892] I think guys and girls like gossip for the same reason that, like, if you go to a movie and you like Brad Pitt movies, you also want to know what Brad Pitt's doing in real life.

[1893] Like, is he doing drugs and drinking?

[1894] But that's only if you like someone who's a movie star.

[1895] When you talk about Kim Kardashian and her family, they don't do anything.

[1896] Well, Kanye is one of the biggest rappers ever.

[1897] He's a recent addition to that fucking circus.

[1898] I'm going to use this opportunity to go pee.

[1899] Before that, yeah, please do.

[1900] Before that, there was nothing.

[1901] I mean, if you stop and think about it, she contributed nothing.

[1902] All she was doing was being a point of gossip.

[1903] So in that sense, she's way big.

[1904] bigger gossip star than any Angelina Jolie story.

[1905] You know, if you looked at the number of people that are paid attention to Kim Kardashian versus paying attention to Angelina Jolie, I'd be willing to better like five or six to one in Kim's favorite.

[1906] So I think it's more of, ooh, look at her.

[1907] And if you can do things to keep eyes on you, that's your business.

[1908] Whether it's hate or love, your business is to keep that sort of weird gossipy energy up.

[1909] yeah i mean i i go to it every day to watch because it's what do you go to watch tmz stuff like that i'll i love that shit because it's just like oh my god look what happened here look what happened there you know and it's just because you watch them on tv and you watch them in movies and like make -believe world and so it's weird seeing them outside of make -believer of oh shit tom cruises got AIDS you know so i mean that's can't say that allegedly but that's not even true Scientologist cured him of it.

[1910] He wore that big gold medal around his neck.

[1911] By the way, do you follow Yoko Ono on Twitter?

[1912] Of course I don't.

[1913] Should I?

[1914] Yeah, of course.

[1915] Write down a sad memory, put it in a box, burn the box, and sprinkle the ashes in a field, give some ashes to a friend who shared the sadness.

[1916] Oh my God.

[1917] Yeah, your friend who had a sad memory, here's some ashes.

[1918] That's rude.

[1919] Meanwhile, she's 4 .7 million fucking Twitter followers?

[1920] That's hilarious.

[1921] That shows you how Twitter is.

[1922] crazy.

[1923] Yoko Ono has more than 4 million Twitter followers because she used to fuck one of the best musicians ever.

[1924] That's hilarious.

[1925] Look at this one.

[1926] Imagine what would happen to your room when you move away.

[1927] Imagine if there is anything in the room that you could take with you when you die.

[1928] Shut the fuck up.

[1929] Just shut the fuck up.

[1930] How many retweets?

[1931] How many retweets?

[1932] Call your answer phone every day and complain and moan about your life and people around you.

[1933] listen to the tape at the end of the year.

[1934] What?

[1935] Wow.

[1936] She doesn't even know how to say voicemail.

[1937] Call your answer phone.

[1938] That's not an answer phone, dummy.

[1939] It's goddamn voicemail.

[1940] What planet are you living on?

[1941] You can't agree to the same descriptives.

[1942] Could that be a translation thing maybe?

[1943] What?

[1944] She speaks English.

[1945] Well, sort of.

[1946] The fuck, she speaks, she's been around.

[1947] She's been speaking English longer than I've been alive.

[1948] Okay?

[1949] Yeah, but people never really fully grab it if they didn't, you know?

[1950] I don't understand how people could be in this country for so long and communicate with people.

[1951] Like, I have people in my life that I know that work in certain places that I visit that speak Spanish mostly.

[1952] And I've been communicating with them for years.

[1953] And they still don't know to talk English.

[1954] I've met them for you.

[1955] How hard is it, man?

[1956] Is it that fucking hard?

[1957] My daughter's four.

[1958] And I can talk to her.

[1959] I've known you for 15 fucking years.

[1960] I've been coming to this place.

[1961] And I still can't understand you.

[1962] But that exposes this thing.

[1963] thing, we were talking about earlier, but how when you're young, you have capabilities to learn that will never be replicated again.

[1964] That's not true either, because I know people that have picked up languages late into their 50s and they're fucking awesome at it.

[1965] Well, I know people that have...

[1966] There's always going to be outlier, so it's going to be special people, but the average immigrant is never going to sound like a fluent person who grew up here.

[1967] Yeah, but that's mostly because they keep themselves in communities that are other immigrants and they speak their native language.

[1968] Yeah, that helps it.

[1969] They don't attempt to do it, but if you immerse yourself in whatever culture, Spanish culture and want to learn how to speak Spanish, I know people that have learned in their adulthood learn how to speak Spanish, they speak perfect Spanish.

[1970] Right.

[1971] They just chose to do it.

[1972] It's not impossible to do.

[1973] It's like, it's all just a matter of focus.

[1974] If you can get good at swimming into your 30s.

[1975] Very few, you'll see very few Western people learn how to speak Asian languages.

[1976] Right, but I think that is more of a time and interest thing than it is of an ability.

[1977] Yeah.

[1978] I sense a challenge here.

[1979] I'm not doing it.

[1980] I have no time and I have no interest.

[1981] See, I just sort of proved my point.

[1982] Well, yeah, but I don't know.

[1983] I think a lot of people like to walk around too and say, hey, I learned another language and who's testing it?

[1984] I'm not testing their theory.

[1985] I'll go, okay, fine.

[1986] You can tell somebody you're hungry in another language, good, great.

[1987] Right.

[1988] Who's really patrolling that?

[1989] Well, there's a Canadian comedian.

[1990] I don't know his name, but he learned Chinese, learned Mandarin, I think it was, and went to China and started doing stand -up.

[1991] Chinese.

[1992] And there was a video that they put online.

[1993] It was fascinating.

[1994] A white guy.

[1995] Yeah, a white guy.

[1996] The accent was amazing.

[1997] Obviously, I don't know whether or not he's saying, but he was talking like he was from China.

[1998] I'm sure.

[1999] I mean, if you're going to put somebody into a test to figure out if they're actually fluent in the language, put him on a stage in front of a bunch of people and see if he can make them laugh.

[2000] You know, like if the guy was able to put that together, I'd say he's probably pretty fluent well i think there's also like a situation where he just recognized that there was a big market that wasn't being tapped into it right like there's millions of people they have this new freedom now billions yeah billion how many billions are in china's one at least one right at least one yeah so all these people that don't have access to stand -up comedy you know in their language really there's no such thing as chinese stand -up comedy i wouldn't say there's no such thing but it's certainly not nearly as popular as English -speaking comedy as in Canada.

[2001] So there's a lot of goddamn Canadian comedians.

[2002] Like if you wanted to learn stand -up comedy and you wanted to perform it in Canada, there's many, many, many venues, many places to do it.

[2003] But there's also many comedians.

[2004] Whereas if you wanted to learn Chinese and just tap...

[2005] I mean, maybe his motivation to learn Chinese was totally unrelated to his doing stand -up in China.

[2006] I mean, might be just a person like...

[2007] My friend John was super into languages.

[2008] He spoke like five different languages.

[2009] He just loved learning languages and he would practice them with people that, you know, spoke it.

[2010] It could be that.

[2011] But also, it's like the amount of competition that you have over there is probably none.

[2012] Yeah, there's a huge advantage.

[2013] Well, there's a huge advantage to being white over there in general.

[2014] I know a couple buddies went over there to teach English in Korea and it's like you're a stud, you know?

[2015] Whoa.

[2016] Because you're the guy, you know what I mean?

[2017] You're the guy that they see on TV.

[2018] You're Tom Cruise for a minute.

[2019] Really?

[2020] Yeah, because they're really homogenous societies.

[2021] Like, you walk around Japan, you're not seeing this mixed, this mix -up of ethnicity that you have in North America.

[2022] We have a very strange cultural experience compared to the rest of the world.

[2023] Yeah, that kind of makes sense.

[2024] It kind of makes sense in the fact that there's so much content, again, that gets distributed by Americans.

[2025] But that's also why it's really crazy in Korea, the amount of people getting surgery to change their appearance to a Western American.

[2026] appearance that's crazy who boy we've gotten into it a few times on the podcast we won't get into it again because you shared a bunch of links and a bunch of images but it's apparently as popular as like braces right like that people get like some serious plastic surgery in India they trying to get lighter yeah you know what they use in a lot of those places they use some sort of an injection that uh yeah I heard of a chemical hold on a second I've said it before and I know what it is Philippines, they do it?

[2027] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, lighter skin.

[2028] I forget what it's called.

[2029] It's actually also an amino acid or something like that.

[2030] Yeah, but it's harmful, right?

[2031] It's actually a good thing for you.

[2032] It's, like, healthy if you take it, like, as a dietary supplement.

[2033] What the fuck is it called?

[2034] Glutothion.

[2035] Glutothionion, which is glutathione is, what is it originally used for?

[2036] I forget what it's originally used for.

[2037] But it's also been shown to aid in the body's absorption of alcohol.

[2038] So Dr. Mark Gordon, who had been on my podcast before, told me that it would greatly decrease the effect that alcohol is on your body.

[2039] The glutathione helps in some way to digest alcohol.

[2040] It's an antioxidant in plants, animals, fungi, and some bacteria, preventing damage to important cellular components caused by reactive.

[2041] oxygen species such as free radicals and peroxides.

[2042] So somehow or another, they inject this stuff into their body, and it makes you turn more pale in some strange way.

[2043] That's the stuff Michael Jackson was on?

[2044] I don't know what the fuck they do.

[2045] And they actually have pills, too.

[2046] I don't know.

[2047] Skin whitening at home.

[2048] There's a video.

[2049] There's a video how to whiten your skin.

[2050] after eight weeks I managed to get my skin a few turns wider and also got rid of my freckles whoa what else are you doing what are you doing your eyes what are you doing your fucking brain what's going on there I don't know man like that's a that's a really far end of the spectrum kind of scenario in which you can you can immediately see the Western influence on the rest of the world in a physical way well how about people that tan though what about people that get nutty and they they don't feel comfortable unless they're super super tan.

[2051] That's a, is that, how many people are into that?

[2052] A lot.

[2053] Yeah.

[2054] Remember that tan ladies?

[2055] I love tanning.

[2056] Remember that tan lady that was on TV?

[2057] She was like insanely dark.

[2058] Yeah, so it took her daughter tanning and burned her daughter.

[2059] Yeah, but do, is there such a thing as white people trying to look like some other race?

[2060] There's such a thing as white people trying to look darker for sure.

[2061] Well, darker, but you know what I mean?

[2062] Eye surgeries or, ah, fuck, I guess everyone.

[2063] Well, a Brazilian guy just got an operation recently to deliver.

[2064] Korean.

[2065] Get the fuck out of here.

[2066] Yeah, yeah, it was a big news piece.

[2067] Wow.

[2068] Got some plastic surgery.

[2069] There's enough people on the planet, I guess.

[2070] For sure.

[2071] Everyone's tried something.

[2072] Not only they tried it, there's probably a forum about it.

[2073] There's a Reddit sub forum.

[2074] It's nasty.

[2075] Look, people are, and also, it's like what we're talking about before.

[2076] There's a lot of people that are just not, they're not comfortable with who they are.

[2077] Yeah.

[2078] So they think that maybe if I look Korean, I'd feel better.

[2079] Maybe if I was a few shades, wider, I'd feel better.

[2080] Right.

[2081] Maybe I was tan.

[2082] I think it gets particularly strange or interesting when it's a huge group of people that are doing it.

[2083] Right.

[2084] Like Koreans.

[2085] When you have a trend when it sort of changes.

[2086] Yeah, and that's also what we're talking about.

[2087] It's like where's the content coming from?

[2088] Most of it's from the West.

[2089] These features, this Brad Pitt face that you're seeing on your big screen over and over again.

[2090] It's sort of making you want, why are my eyes so small?

[2091] But that's great.

[2092] the physical manifestation of influence the physical manifestation wow but isn't it all the physical manifestation of influence when it comes to like cultural ideas yeah what's attractive what do you choose to wear what are your clothes how about you put a plate in your lip who how did that get started how you got a bone through your nose who a fuck else has a bone through their nose is that your thing you're the only guy no it's a tradition well who the fuck we look great we have bones in our nose you do not look great come here yeah so ultimately we all do things because of other people and what they're doing well there was a thing on um this television show where this guy was going to his guy was going to Africa and he was visiting with these people that are regularly being around crocodiles and they have these markings that they scar their skin in the the form of crocodile like crocodile ridges and they have them across their bodies really crazy shit and they they sort of mimic the skin of a crocodile whoa yeah what's the what's just the what I'm coming of age thing with men And they do this and it sort of represents strength And they cover themselves these crocodile scars It was so weird to look at these key Lloyd scars All around this guy's body And this should somehow or another become a part of their culture Like war paint or weird, you know, facial paint Or how about what we think of as normal When a woman wears ridiculous lipstick And blue -colored eyeliner and, you know, lashes I gotta say I'm happy as hell That that's not us Like our sex If you've ever watched it going down The way he's saying it You're like a fucking assault Like a woman's getting beat up by her makeup You're watching it going down bro It's hard to watch It is It is you can't just get out of bed And get to your shit You can't just move on with your life Like I put no thought I mean not no I mean I got to look in the mirror And make sure I'm not fucked up Or for some reason you know But the idea that there's preparation Just to leave the house facial preparation Yeah And some women If they don't have their makeup on And another girl is around She has her makeup on They get like upset Like God, I should have put my fucking makeup on God, I didn't put my makeup on You should have told me Bitch has her makeup on Look at her lips They're crazy colors like from space Look at her eyes She closes her eyes She's the heavens She's winning The heavens in her eyelids God damn it her skin is perfect It's covered in fucking powder How dare she Skin colored powder all over your face Yeah we lucked out man Look at her nails We lucked out in all kinds of areas.

[2093] Mm -hmm.

[2094] Except...

[2095] How about urinating?

[2096] How about urinating?

[2097] That's awesome.

[2098] Except we die in war more often.

[2099] We have jobs that are far more dangerous.

[2100] We're more likely to be murdered.

[2101] Right, right.

[2102] There's a lot of shit that's not so hot about that.

[2103] You know what else?

[2104] You have to be tough to a degree.

[2105] Do you think so?

[2106] Well, let's put it this way.

[2107] Let's say, growing up, you know, there's going to be circumstances in which you could be physically threatened and that's socially acceptable.

[2108] For a woman, it's really never I mean.

[2109] Unless you're being threatened by another woman.

[2110] Or unless it's like an actual crime.

[2111] But if two boys who are 10 years old decide to duke it out, it's not a crime.

[2112] You know, I think that's a lot of it is there's a real problem with people and violent interactions that could, a lot of the problems could be resolved with the introduction of martial arts early in people's lives.

[2113] Like the amount of actual violence that you see like other than sparring in an actual martial arts environment is almost non -existent.

[2114] It's very, very rare.

[2115] And a rare gym, we see people arguing or fighting.

[2116] Most of the time, it's just you're getting it all out.

[2117] You're getting it all out of your system.

[2118] I agree with that, but I think maybe what I should have said was this idea that a man needs to stick up for himself.

[2119] Like all this, the Chicago stuff I was talking about earlier, they had like 50 murders last month or something crazy.

[2120] And I'm guarantee they're all men shooting men.

[2121] Yeah, but that's a poverty, crime, gang, and drug war going on.

[2122] But it has both sexes exist there.

[2123] Yeah, that's true.

[2124] Well, there's actually a lot of girls that are involved in gang crime as well in Chicago.

[2125] I'm sure, I'm sure.

[2126] There's a big article recently about this one girl who died, and she was like 19 years old, and she had all these photos of her online with guns, holding up guns and shit, making gang signs.

[2127] I'm sure that's there, too.

[2128] But I think the tough guy thing is a thing.

[2129] It's definitely a thing.

[2130] It is.

[2131] It's a jungle out there.

[2132] We're out of time, dude.

[2133] We fucking killed it.

[2134] Yeah.

[2135] Hey, thanks again.

[2136] Lots fun.

[2137] Thank you.

[2138] Both things we did today were really fun.

[2139] Fantastic.

[2140] I can't wait to see it.

[2141] It was fun to do podcast with you.

[2142] Again, we've got to do this more often.

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