JRE MMA Show #28 with Georges St-Pierre

[0] Going to the contender after Freddy Roach.

[1] Oh, really?

[2] Yeah.

[3] Live?

[4] Boom.

[5] We're live.

[6] You want to wear headphones or no?

[7] It's better like this, right?

[8] Do you wear, are your caliphout ears?

[9] They keep you from wearing earbuds?

[10] Uh.

[11] You know, those little things that go in your ear?

[12] Does I need to do it?

[13] No, I don't need it.

[14] You don't need it.

[15] You don't have to.

[16] I don't know.

[17] I don't have to.

[18] Just keep this close to your face.

[19] And we're good.

[20] All right.

[21] There we go.

[22] What's up, man?

[23] How are you?

[24] Fantastic.

[25] You look good.

[26] I feel good.

[27] I feel good.

[28] if it would not be for my ulcer that I had would be, I feel better than than when I was 25.

[29] What did you have?

[30] You had colitis?

[31] Yeah, colitis, yeah.

[32] What is that?

[33] What causes that?

[34] We don't really know what it caused it, but the best the best theory is that before my last fight with Michael Bisping, I tried to put on weight, extra weight.

[35] So I followed a diet program that I was eating almost every two hours.

[36] And I think your system is like a car.

[37] You know, if you do a lot of mileage, it overuse it.

[38] And so that's what happened with the stress and everything.

[39] During my training camp, I had a big problem.

[40] You know, I couldn't sleep.

[41] I had crazy cramps, you know, sometimes.

[42] I had blood.

[43] Even like when I went to the bathroom, at one point I had to go do some tests because I was worried that it was something more, like, I mean, the colitis is very serious, but that it was like cancer or something because I had blood.

[44] So I did some tests.

[45] It came out negative and I said to myself I said this fight being delayed, not delayed but postponed so many times that if I do something, if I say that publicly, what is going on, I'm going to lose the opportunity to fight for the title at 185 so I keep it shot.

[46] And I told myself, I said, whatever it is, I'll deal with it after the fight.

[47] So I did the fight.

[48] Everything went well.

[49] And then after I went to do, it's called colonoscopy, they put a camera inside of you.

[50] Yeah.

[51] And I got diagnosed with ulcer colitis.

[52] That's probably the mix of the stress and also the fact that I was constantly eating.

[53] I was eating, and not only eating, Joe, I was trying to put on some weight.

[54] It was very hard.

[55] Sometimes I remember many times I was having breakfast, but I was regurgating my breakfast.

[56] Oh.

[57] Like chewing up.

[58] Because you were just eating too much food.

[59] Yeah, but I had to because I needed to keep myself in a certain weight.

[60] and the crazy thing about it is first now I realize it's a mistake I should never have done it but when I made the weight at 185 the day before the fight I could not go back up to 190 that's the highest I was going back up so the day of the fight I woke up and I had a little breakfast I threw up my breakfast again wow yeah I was really messed up then I went to weigh myself I was like 190 190 pounds.

[61] And what do you think Mike weighed?

[62] He felt very strong.

[63] I mean, it's not really the weight at this time because the way that you weigh right now, depending what you eat, you have a lot of stuff inside your intestine and everything.

[64] And also water retention.

[65] I felt like I had a lot of water retention.

[66] Unnecessary weight.

[67] Exactly.

[68] So it's like that way.

[69] It's like a bag that you carry on your shoulder.

[70] What I should have done, I think, is just stay the same way that I am.

[71] am, a natural weight.

[72] I think the body has a weight that it's best way to perform an athletic performance, and that's what I should have done.

[73] But it was a mistake of my part.

[74] It was a big mistake.

[75] So you were just thinking that because you're going up to 185 and you're fighting a guy in Bisping that used to fight at 205, he's a pretty big guy.

[76] Exactly.

[77] I thought that to perform better, I needed to elevate my weight, but by doing that, I create a big problem of health issues.

[78] And that colitis didn't exist before that?

[79] Not that I got diagnosed for, no. No. And I think that's what trigger it.

[80] And so after the fight, now they've gone back to a normal diet, has it changed?

[81] So after that fight, what happened, and it's very interesting, I got on medication, and I met a doctor, his name is Jason Fung, is in Toronto.

[82] People can research this amazing, amazing guy.

[83] And I met a doctor that treat people with cancer and diabetes with intermittent fasting.

[84] So I start doing a program of intermittent fasting and time restricted eating.

[85] And now my symptoms diminish.

[86] Like every week, every month, it diminish.

[87] So it's getting better.

[88] It's not 100 % now, but it's getting a lot better, a lot better.

[89] And I feel a lot better.

[90] A lot of people eat like that now.

[91] We had Ben Greenfield on yesterday, who, you know, he's a, A journalist does a lot of experimenting with his body, a lot of scientific stuff, and scientific research on diet and restricted eating is a big part of it.

[92] He does a lot of that.

[93] It's interesting because we're conditioned to think that, oh, I want to gain muscle, I want to get, you know, I need to eat more to accelerate my metabolism.

[94] But I never felt better in my life.

[95] If we would not be for that particular issue, I feel better now.

[96] I sleep better.

[97] inflammation, and I also did a test.

[98] In January, I went to McGill University to do a scan of my weight, my fat percentage, my muscle density, bone density.

[99] And in five months, I did it a few days ago, like not this week, the Tuesday of the last week.

[100] And my fat percentage has decreased, my muscle mass has increased.

[101] And my weight is at the same.

[102] Then it was in January.

[103] And you think this is all from restricted eating?

[104] My training did not have change.

[105] So the only thing has changed pretty much is the restricted time eating and intermittent fasting, yes.

[106] Yeah, that intermittent fasting gives your digestive system a break and it lets your body recuperate better.

[107] I think that's what it helped me the mostly.

[108] I think that's what it is.

[109] I felt like I was like I said like a car I was putting too much for nothing and I think as human being were overfed I'm very interested about paleontology and also history and I know that human being in Antar Gatherer time did not eat three mil a day no no they eat maybe a few times a week but when they eat they eat a lot because they need to do it fast so I think it's more natural for a human being to do so.

[110] And also, now I read a lot of stuff and I watch a lot of stuff on the internet about intermittent fasting and time restricted eating.

[111] And I just wish I knew that before.

[112] For so many years, I used to follow the rules.

[113] Oh, we need to eat at least three times a day.

[114] You know, I don't really care of what I eat, but I've, you know, even though in the morning I was not hungry, I was always forcing myself to eat, which is bad, you know.

[115] Yeah, what has changed in your diet?

[116] Like, what do you eat?

[117] Like, what's a normal meal for you?

[118] No, I don't really, I don't really watch what I eat anymore.

[119] It's more when I eat.

[120] I try to eat healthy, but I don't have a specific diet.

[121] Like, for example, like, oh, Tuesday I'm going to eat this, this, this.

[122] That's not how it works.

[123] I just try to eat healthy, you know?

[124] Like, I try to eat good.

[125] And, of course, I don't look at, oh, this is a dessert.

[126] But, you know, if I want a dessert, a chocolate, I'll get it.

[127] Well, I remember that from one of your old videos.

[128] Like, you were having a glass of wine during training camp.

[129] You're like, oh, there's nothing wrong with one glass of wine.

[130] Well, if you think about it, Joe, I don't think a glass of wine or anything.

[131] You know, before I fight, we have the tendency to be too much like, oh, what should I eat?

[132] What should I do this?

[133] Should I do that?

[134] I think it's, man, it's...

[135] Two tents?

[136] Two tents, exactly.

[137] I've met, when I went in Thailand, I met some.

[138] some world champion Thai boxer and they smoke, they get drunk before the fight.

[139] I'm like, you're fighting tomorrow, man. It's like, oh, it's like, it's no problem.

[140] But when you think about it, this is an extreme, this is to the other extreme.

[141] Yes.

[142] But I don't think it has that much of an effect.

[143] You know what I used to eat before, like, before a fight, my meal of choice, before I got into reading about eating and stuff like that?

[144] I was eating pasta before fight.

[145] Most of my fight, I eat like Fittuccini Alfredo.

[146] That's a lot of carbs.

[147] I mean, it seems like not bad idea.

[148] Yeah, yeah, but I mean, it's not bad.

[149] But if you eat, if you talk to, for example, a nutritionist, it would be like, oh, my God, he will grab his head.

[150] It will be like, are you serious?

[151] Oh, my God.

[152] Mike Tyson used to eat that.

[153] He used to eat steak and pasta before his fights.

[154] That was my thing.

[155] I used to eat pasta all the time, and there's no problem with that for me. And I felt great.

[156] but since I start reading about nutrition and stuff like that it's like oh you need to eat clean and then I'm like it never affect me I don't think it has that much of a big big effect you know it's more psychological I think well it's also you think about how much energy you're burning you know I think for the average person a bowl of pasta is not a good idea but for an athlete that's about to fight five five minute rounds against a world class fighter you have different energy requirements you know you have a different different nutrition requirements.

[157] You can burn off way more fuel.

[158] You know, like I was listening to Chad Mendez on a podcast the other day, and he was talking about how he's so hungry, he eats so much, he has to wakes up in the middle of the night, and he goes and eats sometimes.

[159] Wow.

[160] He just can't go a couple hours without eating.

[161] He just has this crazy metabolism.

[162] You know what?

[163] Since I discovered time restricted eating and intermittent fasting, now I feel better by a training with an empty stomach.

[164] I feel sharper up here.

[165] I feel more creative Especially in Jiu -Jitsu I feel better I feel lighter on my feet Really?

[166] Yeah man So like you do like first Jiu -Jitsu class in the morning No food in your stomach I never have a food I haven't eat today The coffee you give me Is the first thing I have So when will you eat It's 1224 right now After this I'm gonna I'm gonna go train with Freddie Roach And then I'll eat And then I'll eat And maybe I'll eat another time I'm a late eater That's one thing I'm not too good I don't like to eat too much early during the day.

[167] I'm not really hungry.

[168] I used to eat because everybody eat, but now I'm like, I'm not going to eat since I have discovered this.

[169] I don't eat when I'm not hungry.

[170] And the thing is why people eat is because they're a spike of insulin, you know?

[171] Yeah.

[172] So when you, like when I start doing intermittent fasting and time restricted eating, it was hard in the beginning because I was conditioned to eat all the time.

[173] Yeah.

[174] But my body acclimate to it.

[175] And now it's very easy.

[176] I can't eat once a is no problem like right now you know i could do it and i think it's good to be hungry in a way and i remember the doctor he said something to me he said would you rather be like a uh a lion that just uh had a full belly or an angry lion i'm like as a fighter i'd rather be like a angry lion and it makes sense to me if you look at nature it makes sense you know what i mean it doesn't make sense especially when you do time restricted eating your your body gets used to burning off fat too and using fat as fuel.

[177] It's true.

[178] That's why I think when I did the test to compare my fat percentage diminished.

[179] I don't have much fat, but it diminished.

[180] And the doctor, I met, I said to him, I say, yeah, I gain a lot of weight.

[181] He said, don't you think I'm going to lose muscle?

[182] He says to me, he believed that the weight that I put on, because now I'm about 185 pounds.

[183] And when I trained for Bisping, I went up to 197.

[184] When I after after the way in, I was I couldn't put back that weight up.

[185] So I was a 190.

[186] He believed that the extra weight that I had was more water retention and residual inside my body.

[187] It was not like a solid mass. And it makes sense to me because now I feel much better.

[188] And I'm just as strong and even stronger.

[189] Like when I do Olympic lifting, much stronger.

[190] Gymnastic, much stronger.

[191] Like I feel sharper.

[192] Yeah.

[193] And you said it reduced your inflammation as well.

[194] It does.

[195] I have sometimes elbows, you know, like problems.

[196] You used to have always that big inflated elbow, like a swollen elbow.

[197] What was that?

[198] It was a Bursitis or something like that?

[199] It was a Bursis.

[200] That was during my fight of Tia Gualvez, but I got a surgery to take away the residual, the bone chip inside my elbow.

[201] Is that from landing elbows or from getting it?

[202] I think it's just used, but now I don't have any problem anymore.

[203] And it used to be a chronic thing that I used to feel once in a while.

[204] Sometimes it came and it goes.

[205] But since I started this, it didn't come at all.

[206] I feel great.

[207] I can touch my two's shoulder like this.

[208] No problem.

[209] When you came back, it's very interesting because with a lot of people, they take time off and then they come back and you wonder what they're going to look like.

[210] But one of the things that I was very hopeful with you is that you've always been almost a martial artist first and a fighter second.

[211] in that you're always learning and you're always practicing like you would always take time in between camps and you would you know do jiu -jitsu in Brazil or you would be constantly practicing your moitai you're always trying to learn and improve your game and I was thinking when you came back it was like if you were saying that you were better than ever I'm like man he might be better than ever like you you're the one guy that I believed because a lot of times guys come back you're like man he's been out of the game a long time who knows how hard he's been Because a lot of fighters, when they're not in camp, when they're not preparing for a fight, they don't like to train that much.

[212] Because the grind of camp almost wears them.

[213] I'm like, you know how you see a lot of fighters after they retire?

[214] They get really fat.

[215] Yeah.

[216] And you're like, wow, how can he get fat?

[217] Like, I was looking at Maidana the other day.

[218] There's a picture of Maidana's Chino Maidana.

[219] He's got his Instagram page.

[220] He's fat as fuck.

[221] He's got a cigar.

[222] He's drinking a whiskey.

[223] I mean, he just fought Floyd May with her a couple years ago.

[224] He was ripped and they retire and they don't give a fuck anymore.

[225] They don't want to do this anymore.

[226] But I knew you were still training because I would see like in the Henzhou Gracie, the guys who were training with you there and I knew you were training with Donna Her.

[227] I knew you were constantly training and you look good.

[228] So I was like when I left off like more than four years ago, I knew I wanted to come back because I was not in an happy place.

[229] I had a lot of personal problems and I should have even stopped.

[230] earlier than after my fight with Hendricks if I would have stopped earlier I would have maybe come back earlier as well it was I was I was I felt like I was like kind of a feeling of a claustrophobic feeling you know like I was I couldn't breathe well I couldn't sleep well my mind too much pressure personal problems so much stuff a lot of stuff happened to me that it's still too early in my life and for the respect of some people I know I couldn't talk about it.

[231] One day I will all mix together.

[232] I knew it was a drug issue in the sport.

[233] I feel I felt it, I did feel well and I was trying to perform under those conditions and it was catching up to me. Yeah.

[234] And I did it.

[235] But the reason why I think I didn't lose the edge is a lot of people because we do an extreme sport.

[236] It's like what we do is kind of life and death situation.

[237] It's not because there's a referee, but the spirit is the same as a gladiator or a person in a war that goes to war, he thinks it's going to die.

[238] It's the same spirit, even though it's not the same thing, we'll go there in the same spirit that we're ready to give it all.

[239] It's such an extreme feeling that once you don't have that in your life, life kind of become boring.

[240] You feel like you're not alive anymore.

[241] So that's why when people stop, they retired, and they tried to come back.

[242] the people they fall into drugs because they want to catch up to that they want to feel alive again so they want they need that sensation yeah that they had previously but i couldn't get it back unless they do drugs or they do something crazy extravagant the thing with me is i knew i was going to come back uh and also i always like to train and keep myself in shape and i never did drugs you know like i never did other drugs i drink i'm not i drink sometimes for my birthday last Saturday I went out and I was completely wasted.

[243] Okay, it is what it is.

[244] I like to deteriorate myself sometime.

[245] I'm not perfect.

[246] Just have a little fun.

[247] Exactly.

[248] And what's the goal of doing this if you're not enjoying your life?

[249] What's the goal of it?

[250] You know, people to fight, say, no, I don't like to fight.

[251] And that's another thing I like to talk to you about people's like, why you do that if you don't like to fight?

[252] It's like because I like my lifestyle, you know, that it gives me. But that's why people, I believe, if you come back to what you say, that's why I think people they have a hard time to come back after so many years because they fall into that trap they need to feel alive so they find ways that it make them feel alive but it's deteriorate themselves and I didn't do that I did not do that and I would never will hopefully it's not my thing you know so when you decided to come back how far out did you decide like but you you took four years off how many years off how many years in where you're like, I think I'm ready to come back?

[253] When I see USADA and the drug testing program being implanted, implemented, then I saw a lot of a lot of people deflate.

[254] Yes.

[255] Did you feel vindicated?

[256] Huh?

[257] Like, did you feel vindicated when you saw like some of these people just?

[258] I feel a little bit of a, I mean it feels bad to wish people bad luck to get some kind of recognition, but that's not what I want to do.

[259] I don't wish people bad luck, but if you cheat, you cheat, man. And a lot of people got caught.

[260] And finally, a lot of people in the beginning, including my own friend, they think, like, I was talking to some of my own friend.

[261] They say, oh, you're paranoid.

[262] You become paranoid.

[263] You need to take a break.

[264] You're going crazy.

[265] Just retire, get out.

[266] You're paranoid.

[267] Because I was talking about it a long time before Hendricks.

[268] And everybody was disregarding me. But not when it happened.

[269] A lot of the champion fell.

[270] And a lot of the hero in the sport, they get pointed out with the finger as, hey, he's a cheater.

[271] So now it became real.

[272] So when I saw that happen, it was for me a beginning to start.

[273] And now it's time to come back, you know, because I'm a guy of a, if I said something, you know, that's become going to, I'm going to do it.

[274] I don't want to come back when the sport was dirty.

[275] That's one of my thing.

[276] And so when I When I decided to come back I had a big talk with one of my trainer John De Nair and I And Farras They're my two main guy And they're like my friend My brother with me I mean I'm undefeated with these two guys You know they're like With I need them when I fight That's some serious knowledge Between those two men They mix together is crazy You know they're two different person Very different They both have They both studied philosophy.

[277] It's a very interesting people for me to talk with because they have two different mentalities.

[278] You know, they see the world different ways.

[279] So I like to have both of their expertise.

[280] And so John, he told me, he said, listen, said, you always have three big criticizing, criticizes when you were fighting.

[281] It never went up of a weight class.

[282] You never people say that you're kind of boring you're too much cerebral technical you don't want to take unnecessary risks which make the fight boring and also you don't finish your opponent you know that was one of my big criticizing criticizes but decide to come back and we change the way I was training because the way you train reflects the way you fight you know people say oh I'm not going to train too hard I'm going to do this and training but when it's time to five I'm going to step up.

[283] There is no step up.

[284] You're just going to do what you did every day.

[285] So I decided to change a few things and to correct those three things and that's what happened.

[286] I'm happy.

[287] It worked out well, but that was my goal.

[288] I wanted to come back for something that excite me, something that was different, something that was unique and rare, you know, and I didn't want to come back to do the same thing I was doing before.

[289] And that's why I decided to come back.

[290] When you came back, first of all, you came back, you fought a very tough guy, right?

[291] You fought a big Michael Bisping at 185 pounds.

[292] But what was impressive to me is, like, you didn't look like you were gone.

[293] Like, right away, you felt like you felt right back into the groove again.

[294] You didn't look out of place.

[295] You didn't look uncomfortable.

[296] And you were showing things, especially different things with your kicking and your movement that we hadn't seen from you before.

[297] Like, you looked like you had improved.

[298] Oh, I was tested in the training.

[299] Even Ferris, some of the guys, Ferris went to tell them, like, he whispered to them, like, if you knocked out George and Sparring, I'll give you money or, you know, things like that.

[300] Yeah, man, he's like, he's crazy.

[301] Ferris is my worst end in training sometimes, you know.

[302] He tells people, he tells people, it's like, hey, if you beat you, if you hurt George, I'm going to glorify you.

[303] You know, I'm going to, I'm going to talk about you, you know, we're going to be happy.

[304] That's the opposite of what a lot of people think a training camp should be for a champion.

[305] It depends what kind of, you know, we don't train like this every day, but for my hard sparring, when I'm training for a fight, I have two days, for my last training camp, at two days that it was like hard sparing.

[306] We called it shootbox fight, shoot box fighting, which we put the big gloves, the shen pad, and his feet to floor.

[307] Once we touch the floor, we stop, and we go back up.

[308] And that was the area of expertise where Bisping was the most competent, the striking department.

[309] He's going on the floor, so I was bringing in a lot of good guys for sparing with me in that particular training.

[310] It's hard to find someone that is exactly the guy you're going to fight, but you can find a guy that does think better than him in a particular area.

[311] I cannot find a replica of Michael Bisping who's complete as much as Michael Bisping but I can find a guy for example I had a guy coming from Spain his name is Caesar, he's a K -1 fighter and he's big guy, he's like 205 pound and he's big and he's very, very good kickboxer so I had him during my training camp I flew him from Spain at a different bunch of guys that I that I was training with and all these guys that I was training with they are not like Michael Bisping but in a certain area that I was training with them it could be grappling or or shoot box or different area they could be just as good or maybe better than Michael Bisping so that's how I do my training camp you know I remember when you brought how do you say his last name?

[312] Scarbosky so I'm Charles Scarbosky yeah what a character indeed when you brought him to work with you on the ultimate fighter, and he would be partying all night, drunk, and show up at the gym the next day, and still fuck everybody up.

[313] Yeah.

[314] And did that, did that guy influence your idea about just being more relaxed in training and just not worrying about it as much?

[315] Yeah, but he's a different, like, it's a total different extreme, you know, like, I don't believe in that extreme.

[316] But Jean -Charles, yeah.

[317] I remember the producer of their show, The Ultimate Fighter, when he was supposed to stay one week, and when he was about to stay, the producer was telling him, hey, can we keep him for the rest of their show?

[318] Because it was good TV, you know?

[319] So I'm like, I don't know, I'm going to ask him.

[320] And in the same time, like, a lot of the people on my team that were like, man, okay, that's enough now we got what we need.

[321] And I was like, yeah, I like him, but he's kind of a need to kind of babysit him in the same time.

[322] But the knowledge that this guy had and he gave us was just a big, a big edge, you know.

[323] But yeah, Joshel, he's a different extreme, Joe.

[324] I think there is a center line that you need to keep, you know.

[325] That's what I believe.

[326] I believe in life it's not white.

[327] It's not black.

[328] It's always gray.

[329] There's middle zone for everything, I believe.

[330] Yeah, no, I think you're right about that.

[331] So when you have a camp and you set up.

[332] up a camp and you have Donahur and Farras.

[333] Did they essentially, are they the architects of the whole camp?

[334] Do they get together and try to figure out what you're doing and when you're doing it?

[335] Is Farras the guy who handles more of the striking aspects of it or putting the grappling and the striking together?

[336] I am a little bit the head guy in a way.

[337] I believe as a fighter you need to be the head guy.

[338] You're the maestro.

[339] You have the people that work like with you.

[340] But you need to know how.

[341] to use these people good.

[342] For instance, I don't know nothing about business, but I have agents that are there to negotiate fight.

[343] They know his number.

[344] They know about investment.

[345] I have one another guy.

[346] He knows about fiscality.

[347] He's a lawyer and is good for a tax report.

[348] I don't know nothing, but I know how to get the good people to help me for that particular thing.

[349] So Ferris and John, for me, are the most competent people that I can have to help me. going to fight someone because in John especially in the grappling area but John is not only in grappling the difference with John and Ferras that makes them very unique as trainers they're not really only trainers they're teachers and I would say the same thing about Freddie Roach same thing about Freddie Roach they're not only trainer they're teachers the way I structure my my training camp there is like a pyramid the first layer the fund the the the fundamental the foundation is physical are you in shape are you uh how's your VO2 max are you in shape are you in good condition no injuries athleticism are you an athlete are you a good good athlete this is a physical layer this is the the wider one that's the bottom one it's like a pyramid then it goes up one layer the technical layer do you know what to do your knowledge do you know a number uh defense to triangle choke how to counter a jab or how do you you know technical aspect in terms of knowledge of fighting that's where the trainer comes into play also the physical the technical and a lot of the trainer they don't have the last layer or they only have one of those or two of those but they don't have the three layers that's where ferras john and also i would say freddie in boxing comes into play But in MMA, especially, Ferris and John, the tactical layer, which is the last one.

[350] That's what separate contenders and champion.

[351] There's the physical, the technical, and the tactical.

[352] Let's say we're equal.

[353] We're the same person.

[354] What's going to make the difference between me winning against you or you winning against me is the tactical.

[355] Because we're the same person.

[356] We're a complete replica.

[357] We're a clone.

[358] The difference is the tactical.

[359] I will know where I can take you out of your comfort zone and I can bring the fight where I'm the strongest and fight you to eliminate the odds where the fight will slope the odds of me winning to my advantage.

[360] That's where John and Ferris are master at this and Freddie Roche is master at this in boxing.

[361] That's why I'm so, I feel very lucky to have this guy with me in my corner because they're competent in these three layers.

[362] Physical, technical, and tactical, which most trainer can have only one, two or may, they don't have three.

[363] It's very rare to find three.

[364] The trainer can do these three things.

[365] So when you get to the tactical layer, is this something that you all agree on?

[366] Do you discuss it?

[367] Yeah.

[368] When you're approaching a fight, like say Michael Bisping.

[369] Yeah.

[370] Like, how do you do it?

[371] You say, this is what I see in his fights, and then Farras gives his input, and John gives his input, and then Freddie gives his input, and you start discussing what's the best way to handle it.

[372] So coming into that fight with Michael Bespain, Michael Besme was very well -prepared.

[373] He has a very good team with Jason Parrello.

[374] So we were expecting, you always have to gauge also to know you and to know your opponent.

[375] know sometimes knowing your opponent is easier than to knowing yourself you know so you have to be realistic about your strength and weaknesses and how you're gonna match up against your opponent with Michael Bisping what mess mess me up a little bit is and all of us is we were expecting Michael Bisping to come straight at me try to take me out right away instead of that it was moving especially more in the second round round.

[376] So the first round was I was doing well, but in the second round, he started moving away and be more, instead of coming at me, it was more trying to run away from me. And that's why a lot of people, they said to me, man, because I lost the second round against Michael Bisming, and people was like, man, what happened to you?

[377] He seems like you were, you slowed down a little bit.

[378] It's only that I slow down is also I got hit with a very strong right hand, right on the bottom by a guy who maybe outweigh me 20 pounds, you know?

[379] So it slows a man down.

[380] Something like my cardio was bad.

[381] It's not, my cardio was fine, but we get punch on the bottom.

[382] It slow a man down.

[383] And he cut me of guard.

[384] He changed his strategy from round one to round two.

[385] He became more like, it was more like a runner instead of a hunter kind of guy.

[386] And so he caught you with a counter shot?

[387] What he did is very smart.

[388] He couldn't get to me, if you look at the replay of the fight with Michael Bisping, he couldn't get to me straight to my head.

[389] He was trying to hit me with his jab, with his strike, tried to target my head then, but I was too fast for him.

[390] So I don't know if it's his trainer or him who decided to change.

[391] So he decided to be like a runner.

[392] So I decided to try to chase him a little bit more.

[393] And what happened to me, he jabbed my lead hand, which square me, and then he connect me straight on the chin.

[394] And at the same time, I was trying to throw a leg kick.

[395] So it was a perfect timing, beautiful execution.

[396] And I don't know if he practiced that, but it was very well done, very smart.

[397] Instead of I tried to target my head, he jabbed my hand and hit me with the rear hand.

[398] And that's why it hurt me. He hurt me. I tried to put a poker face on during the fight, but he hurt me. It's one of the strike that hurt me the most.

[399] Even though Michael Bisping is not known as a knockout guy, this shot really hurt me because the precision was, the timing was good.

[400] Yeah, I've never understood where people don't think he hits hard.

[401] I mean, look what he did to Brockhold.

[402] He hits fucking hard.

[403] I think it's what hurt someone in a fight.

[404] I mean, what can put away someone is not necessarily the power, but it's more precision than timing.

[405] And that particular right end was perfectly timed with great precision.

[406] So that's why I got hurt and you win the second round.

[407] Then I had to make adjustment for the third round.

[408] That's when Freddie, John, and Ferris come into play.

[409] they saw what it was doing and they say after the right hand just slip and come with the hook over the top and the right hand and that's what I did and then knock him down but in a fight whatever your trainer tells you if you didn't practice it it's not gonna work I mean you don't have time to think it's autopilot so I was on autopilot sometimes you just need some some kind of guidance that put your that put your autopilot in the right direction and that's what happened into that fight A reminder Yes a little reminder Hey We're not going this We're going this way Okay then you Then it's still the autopilot But it's different direction The crazy thing about Mike Is that he He has very poor vision In his right eye A lot of people Might not know about it But in the Vitor Belfort fight He damaged his retina very badly.

[410] He's had several surgeries, and he's got oil in his eye that's sort of like protecting it, and he'll have it fixed once he's done fighting.

[411] But, you know, if you look at him, one of his eyes is darker than the other eye.

[412] And that's that right eye.

[413] And did you particularly target things going to that right side, like things off of your left side?

[414] Yeah, it's a lot of things that would drill down with the left hook.

[415] That's why, like, when I hit him with the left hook, that was a lot of...

[416] Because he felt he would have a harder time seeing things coming out of hill his vision was more blurry he does but the thing is with michael is he adjust himself very well to this you know like like it's like he knows it and probably knows it himself but the way he fights he adjusted very well you know he put himself in a position that he cannot get hit often with this you know especially in my fight so i needed almost to wait for him to commit with the right hand to come over the top and if you look at the fight with kevin gasolum is the same thing he missed with the right hand and then he got countered It's always when he missed with the right hand that he got countered.

[417] The Calvin fight, I think, was a mistake.

[418] It was a mistake because he was not prepared for this.

[419] He didn't.

[420] Well, it's also he just got off of a crazy fight with you.

[421] It was bad.

[422] I think it was a bad mistake for his part.

[423] But look, to his credit, he tried to do something that I do, try to do all the time.

[424] He tried to do something unique and very special.

[425] And if he would have win, we would not have this discussion.

[426] We would have been, who would be saying, like, man, what a comeback.

[427] It's unbelievable.

[428] He lose a title, come back straight to fight Kelvin Gaston.

[429] What's amazing, you know what I mean?

[430] Yeah.

[431] I took a risk, man. And I can't blame him for it.

[432] I took a risk myself too.

[433] It's just sometimes you roll the dice, you know, and you expect things to go your way and it didn't go his way.

[434] Yeah.

[435] I felt bad, but it is what it is.

[436] Well, even he said that when he came out to that fight, the Kelvin Gaston fight, he just didn't feel like he had.

[437] He just didn't feel there.

[438] Of course, he didn't feel there because he didn't have the time to prepare for this.

[439] Like I said, you're not going to go into a fight and improvise everything.

[440] You're going to do the same thing you've been doing in training.

[441] What you've been doing in training?

[442] He didn't have enough time to prepare for that particular type of body, that particular type of, like I said, physical, technical and tactical, which is the most important one.

[443] You didn't have the tactical preparation.

[444] physical was not probably 100 % as well and the technical is there because it's his brain but you know it's like he didn't program his autopilot to react to a certain situation that Kelvin will give him he's a lefty, shorter, stalker you know, different style than me completely different it's like you couldn't have a different a most different style than me than this guy but he won the title that way he won the title on 11 days notice I agree It's like It worked for him in the past It worked for him in the past But you didn't get knocked down Or choked out before he fight Rock out That messed up your recuperation too You know what I mean He was fresh probably I don't know maybe he wasn't I don't know personally what he was doing How many weeks later was it He was not like maybe not even a month Or something like Yeah something like he was not He would not have been clear to fight If he would have been in America I don't think it would have been too clear to fight.

[445] I think it would not have been clear to fight.

[446] I think it was suspended, I think.

[447] I don't think so.

[448] I think because it was in China is the different, maybe the...

[449] Three weeks.

[450] Wow.

[451] Three weeks, yeah, man. Yeah, that seems pretty close.

[452] Yeah, because you heard him with that left hook and then you choked him unconscious.

[453] If it would be me, me, like, maybe I'm not as courageous as Michael Bisping, I would not take the fight.

[454] Even me, if I win the fight with Michael Bisping, I would not take the fight.

[455] word though?

[456] Courageous?

[457] You're pretty courageous guy.

[458] Is it courageous or is it tactical?

[459] Yeah, tactical.

[460] I would not have to take that risk, that risk.

[461] But it's, it's, it's, I'm not in his shoes.

[462] I don't know.

[463] Right, right, right.

[464] It's environment.

[465] Maybe he would have, you know, that toughness is paid off for him, though.

[466] I mean, he's one of the toughest fucking guys in the sport.

[467] He always has been.

[468] And that toughness is the reason why he's like, fuck it, I'll fight again.

[469] Yeah.

[470] Let's do it.

[471] He's just a fucking animal.

[472] He's a, he's a great example of hard work perseverance and you know like when you say like everything is possible it is an unbelievable it's an unbelievable fighter this guy you know and it's courageous and what I like about him too he stand for the same thing than I stand for against performance and enhancing drug and I think it's very important for me and for me it was like an honor to fighting him it was like a lot of guy he lost to this guy that they've been cut on performance and enhancing drugs and he's very open he talks about it all the time and I think he's a great model for the sport yeah I know I agree I agree and a great model for it's just an example of how you can achieve great things if you work hard and that's what he's done he's one of the guy that like I hate him when I wasn't training camp but I loved him as well in the same same time I remember at one point we're in a conference in Toronto and that is an hilarious story after the conference we go by the back kind of the back door of a mall and there's like I don't know if it's a it was staged or not I mean I'm not aware if it was stage I was not aware of it so there's a camera like I think it was TMZ or something it was a camera that follow us so there is kids following us to they're about to ask us they ask me to take pictures and then then i see a camera coming towards me and then i see michael that's after the the conference and michael he says to me say don't you f put your hand on me again because then and then i look in his face and like it's like what i like you don't put you my and then he create kind of a buzz for the fight and we start to shout at each other and kind of almost push each other and then jason perroo look, I'm, boys, leave it for the fight, boys.

[473] But it's not stage, it's true.

[474] And I'm like, man, what the hell is doing there?

[475] But then after I realized it was on TMZ, they were a camera right there.

[476] Then the kids who came to ask me for an autograph, they kind of get insimidating.

[477] They were like, they went back.

[478] Then I turned around, I say, it's okay, it's finished.

[479] Now you can come and go, eh, they went back to their parents.

[480] And I'm like, oh, God, what it is what it is, you know?

[481] But that was probably the best promotion of the old fight, like that particular incident, you know what I mean?

[482] So I hate him, and I love him the same way.

[483] Michael is kind of a guy that he's a pro at boosting the anticipation for a fight.

[484] You want to hate him, but you kind of love him in the same way for the human being that he is, you know?

[485] No, he's great at talking shit, for sure.

[486] That is a big thing these days.

[487] I mean, especially after Connor.

[488] You know, Connor McGregor has kind of changed the sport in a lot of ways.

[489] And that shit -talking is a huge factor now.

[490] It is.

[491] But sometimes you don't know when is real, when it's not, because it's not part of my personality.

[492] Same thing.

[493] At the ESPN in Boston, same thing.

[494] We do an interview.

[495] We go back and forth, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

[496] Kind of almost insulting each other, sort of speaking.

[497] Then the UFC does everything to separate us from me. one of each other, like, I'm like, I don't know if it's real or not.

[498] I don't even know if he's trying to push me, I'm going to push him back because I feel threatening.

[499] So you don't know if it's hype or if he's really ready to fight?

[500] Because I'm not an instigator.

[501] I don't like confrontation, but it is what it is.

[502] So I go to the bathroom in between who comes next to the bathroom with us.

[503] It's Michael Bisbik.

[504] Then there's the camera that follows us in the bathroom.

[505] We're taking a piss next to each other.

[506] We're like this.

[507] Then I turn around and see Michael Biss and I'm like, holy shit.

[508] Then the camera.

[509] Then he tell the camera to F out.

[510] It's like, get out!

[511] Then my camera goes out.

[512] Then he looks at me, look at it.

[513] Then he started laughing.

[514] Then I started laughing.

[515] Then I told him, I said, hey, you got a range over?

[516] He's like, yeah.

[517] But now he's in the garage.

[518] I'm like, yeah, you need to get rid of it because after a while he started breaking down.

[519] He's like, yeah, I know.

[520] Okay, game face, see you later.

[521] How do you want to hate a guy like this?

[522] You know what I mean?

[523] That's hilarious.

[524] But I hate him because when we insult each other, we say real insult and real things that we think about each other.

[525] But in a way, we have the respect.

[526] So that relationship that I have with Bisping was very unique.

[527] I didn't have the same relationship with Diaz, for example.

[528] Diaz, I didn't know if, like, if I meet him even in the street, maybe he hates my guts.

[529] Like, I don't know what he's going to.

[530] I don't know if he wanted to fight me or like I know.

[531] He might really want to fight you.

[532] Like, he's not a hype guy.

[533] No, I think he takes it personal.

[534] I think he's, man, it's a freaking sport, man. It's more to life than what it is.

[535] People are like, oh, fighting is my, no, man. Fighting is not my life, man. My life is my family, man, is my friend, the people I love.

[536] This is what I do in my life.

[537] It's not my life.

[538] Fighting is, fighting is over, it's over.

[539] I turn around and do something else, you know what I mean?

[540] Like, is what I do in my life.

[541] It's not my life.

[542] You know what I mean?

[543] It's not the end of the world, man. It's more to life than fighting.

[544] It's funny hearing that from you because you would expect to hear that from someone who isn't considered one of the greatest of all time.

[545] But you're considered one of the greatest of all time.

[546] So it would be very hard to argue your approach because it's been so successful.

[547] But people think they have to be super obsessed.

[548] I'm super obsessed, Joe, but that's why I become crazy and I stopped for four years.

[549] And when I came back, some of my circuit and the brain, then I start to analyze myself.

[550] I'm like, why I become crazy?

[551] Why did I stop?

[552] Because I'm taking this stuff too seriously, man. You have to take it for what it is, you know?

[553] Like, it's a world championship fight.

[554] I'm fighting, I was fighting Michael Bismay.

[555] After four years, people, oh, my God.

[556] The fight are promoted on drama.

[557] Yeah.

[558] And like John said, John Danner, he says, is like, fight are not won on drama.

[559] R1 are on mundane things that we do every day.

[560] That's how fight R1.

[561] How you program your cruise, your cruise driver, you know, your autopilot to win the fight.

[562] That's how you, you see it, I fight like an autopilot, you know.

[563] So when I fight, when I prepare myself for a fight, especially for the tactical part, I program like a computer.

[564] I want to react against that specific problem.

[565] How I'm going to take care of that that specific problem.

[566] The only way to program it is to do repetition, repetition, repetition, and repetition, and repetition.

[567] It's like, you said at one point, Eddie Bravo, he said, like, tying up your shoes.

[568] Yes.

[569] Because we've been doing it so many times.

[570] You can talk to someone, the same thing.

[571] Yes.

[572] When I get into a fight, I analyze again and I'm fighting.

[573] and I see what pattern he does the most often.

[574] So I want to program my computer to react to that pattern that would give me the advantage into the fight.

[575] I don't know when that pattern would occur.

[576] But I want to program myself that when it occurs, I have an answer for it right away.

[577] I don't have to think about it.

[578] I don't think.

[579] I just react.

[580] And that's my problem when I used to fight and I got a lot of criticism before I was thinking too much.

[581] Towards the end of my career, had so much pressure.

[582] I didn't perform as well.

[583] as I was earlier, especially my last fight before I stopped for the four years.

[584] I was thinking too much, overthinking, putting too much pressure.

[585] Like you said, it's too serious.

[586] You have to take it for what it is.

[587] It's only a fight.

[588] In 10 years, you know, it sucks if you lose, but man, it is what it is.

[589] You know what I mean?

[590] Don't take it for, don't make it bigger than what it is.

[591] It's only a fight.

[592] And sometimes it's something very therapeutic that I like to do before a fight.

[593] I drive a car.

[594] Like, when I fight in Vegas, for example, I drive a car or New York, same thing.

[595] I drive a car.

[596] When I used to fight in Vegas before my fights, I used to be very, very stressed.

[597] One of very therapeutic things that I like to do is drive my car around and see normal people.

[598] Then I go and I, again, I explain to you, why I drive and I see an old lady with her grocery store bag.

[599] And I'm thinking, like, she doesn't care if I win the fight Saturday or not.

[600] she's not even going to hear about it then I look oh he's another guy yelling to another guy because whatever problem or this guy is going to the bank to pay his mortgage stuff they don't care they don't care you know the effect that I have on the universe is so freaking small nobody cares I'm the only one putting the pressure on me nobody gives a damn about it so that's why they helped me to perform now that's how some younger guy they say I'm nervous.

[601] I heard you don't sleep well the night before.

[602] I said, yeah, it's true.

[603] I don't sleep well.

[604] What is your trick?

[605] How do you find a way to sleep well?

[606] I was like, I don't really sleep well either nowadays.

[607] But how do you feel better about it?

[608] I just know that I'm not going to sleep well and it's not going to affect the outcome of the competition.

[609] It's just a normal thing.

[610] You learn how to deal with it better.

[611] You're not going to change it.

[612] You just accept it.

[613] Yeah.

[614] The stress is your friend, man. That's going to make you react.

[615] That's going to be on the edge.

[616] Have you ever slay?

[617] well before a fight?

[618] Only one time.

[619] Which fight?

[620] When I fought Matt Serra.

[621] And I got knocked out.

[622] And then after that knocked out, I got so scared and it happened again.

[623] It's the most humiliating day of my career.

[624] I was so angry.

[625] Like I said, I was like putting too much on myself.

[626] It started there.

[627] It's like, I didn't even want to go to buy eggs at the grocery store because people, Oh, they look, oh, you got knocked outside.

[628] I thought everybody cares about me. Nobody cares about you.

[629] Nobody cares.

[630] It's only a small percentage of population.

[631] Nobody gives a damn.

[632] And even if they do, what?

[633] You make a mistake.

[634] You zig when you should have zag and you get clipped.

[635] So what?

[636] Everybody make a mistake.

[637] You have to take fight like it is.

[638] You know, it's a sporting event.

[639] That's why I don't take it personally.

[640] Like, when I have the problem with the diaspora, no problem, man. fight is not personal for me you're you're in my life now you won't be there in 10 years maybe maybe you will my who knows it's only like a chunk of life that we share together and then after he's gone no problem with that that's definitely a better attitude to look at that way that's what it is that's how athlete they should think you know and that that's that knowledge that I have is with years of years of competition you know all the the problem I have the colitis and all that that's because of that that BS that I got it like putting too much on me it's normal if I fight again it will be it will go back the same pattern I will not be I will be very stressed and it's normal to be stress but I will accept it I accept it better now than I used to do when I was younger now after you won the title there was thoughts of whether or not you would defend it if you were going to fight Robert Whitaker like what you were going to do what caused your decision what what made you decide to relinquish the belt So the reason why I relinquish the belt is I want to do some physical tests to see what is the problem with my health condition.

[641] Because during the camp, I knew I had a problem, but I didn't know what it was.

[642] I knew it was, you know, the blood test and everything for the cancer became negative.

[643] So after I want to do like, like I said, a colonoscopy, it came back that I had a ulcer inside my stomach.

[644] Then as a doctor, I say, how long it takes to get rid of this is all your life.

[645] But the symptom can go up, down, depending every people, whatever they do differently.

[646] Then I started researching who's the best doctor, how can I do this?

[647] And that's when I start reading about the fasting and stuff.

[648] And then I tried it, but I saw that a lot of, you know, in the sport of MMA, a lot of the guys are starving.

[649] They're not rich, you know.

[650] I'm lucky now.

[651] I have enough money for the rest of my life.

[652] need to fight anymore, you know, if I don't do nothing crazy like buying a private airplane and I'm not that kind of person or falling into drugs and stuff.

[653] Like, I think I'm good, you know, for me, my family and everything, I think I'm good.

[654] However, when I'm looking at the landscape, I see a lot of guys, like, for example, Connor McGregory, he hold on to the title for the attention, the sponsors, this, and that.

[655] And a lot of people do that, that kind, they kind of stole the division and I said to myself I said you know I stand for for the fighters I always did you know and publicly I said well I'm gonna keep the title until to see if I feel better or not and defend it because I don't even know if my like my weight it was dropping down it's like I'm not even a 185 I'm more I'm 170 or 155ers I'm not I don't have the size of a 1805ers so I'm like I I relinquished it right the way.

[656] I don't want to stall the division and make people wait because of me. The world don't go around me. You know what I mean?

[657] So for the respect, I did it.

[658] But I didn't know before the fight I was going to do it.

[659] It happened like, do, like this.

[660] People was like, oh, yeah, you know, no, I didn't know it was going.

[661] I didn't know it was going to have a colitis and all that stuff.

[662] It came up.

[663] I never tried it before.

[664] I didn't know what would be the outcome I would feel.

[665] I never did it.

[666] You know, it was a test in the same time, but I didn't know you know i have a lot of a i'm not a perfect man joe i have a lot of uh negative stuff about me but one thing that i'm not is i'm not a coward this i swear if i say i'm going to do something i'm going to do i'm not a coward you know and every of my fight every of my fight i was i'm scared i'm scared i'm terrified but whatever i feel i step and i and i i i i respect my contract and i do it you know and um i i didn't know the collided and all that, it would be illogical right now if I want to go back when I'm ready to go back 185, I'm not 185, you know.

[667] Right, right.

[668] It would be a stupid move.

[669] And so if you're going to fight again, it would be 170 or 155.

[670] Yes.

[671] Where are you leaning?

[672] Are you leaning towards 55 or 70?

[673] I don't know.

[674] I'm going to, I want to lean where, if I want, you know what, I've climbed the Everest many times I've climbed it once I lose to my youths and I climb it to why I lose then I got it then I lose to my sorrow and I climb it again I've done it like three times and I'm 37 years old I just turned 37 a few days ago I don't have much left and for what I have left I want to make the big fight the fight that the fan want to see that want to enjoy I also want personally for me to achieve something that is unique, that is rare, that maybe I've never been attempted before, you know, that would be something that excite me. And I'm not only driven by money, you know, like, like, it's good to have money, we like money, it drives us all, including myself, but it's not the unique thing that drive me. It need to be more than money, and they need to be some kind of, kind of achievement thing that comes with it that would exciting me so what would that be that would be a 155 pound title they they they offer me Nate Diaz now yeah and and and and and it was a it was a rumor they said it was a Dundale it's not a Dundale it's not on my part and I don't think it was on Nate Diaz part as well because from what I've heard his brother Nick said and even Nate says that's his big brother's fight it's not his fight Nate Diaz is an incredible fighter very well -rounded.

[675] However, if you put yourself in my shoes, there's nothing good that can come out of it except money, and money is not the only thing that drive me. If I beat Nate Diaz decisively, some people will say, most people will say, oh, he took an easy fight or whatever, like the criticism will say, oh, he's a, bully.

[676] You fought a 155.

[677] Yeah, he fought a smaller guy that compete at a smaller.

[678] Maybe he's not even smaller me. Maybe we're about the most 50 one a lot of 155 or guys are bigger than me right now.

[679] Nate's a big guy.

[680] He's a big guy.

[681] He's about the same size than me. But because I compete at 170 for most of my career and you won the title.

[682] Yes, it will make me look bad.

[683] It will make me look like a bully.

[684] And this is if I win decisively.

[685] If I, for example, if I win not decisively if I win like it's a war back and further people who say he suck you cannot even you know what I mean yeah and if I got beat oh my god forget it for my legacy it's the end of the world it's all the work I put in is finished and I could have a bad day yeah something that I discovered too during my career is being the strongest men in the world that's my that was my dream when I was young that's why I did UFC I wanted to be the stronger men in the world and I realized over the earth this it did not exist you cannot be the stronger men in the world this is an illusion.

[686] I love the younger guy.

[687] They say, oh, the badass, man. Now you're not, man. It doesn't exist.

[688] You would be a better fighter than this guy at that particular location, at that particular moment.

[689] Maybe in an hour, if the fight would occur an hour later or an hour before, or maybe in a different place where the altitude desire or lower, different scenario, different environment, you will lose that fight.

[690] It's always a question of odds, you know what I mean?

[691] So being the stronger man in the world, it does, its style makes fight.

[692] Maybe we're three guys, I beat you, you beat him, he beat me. Who's the best guy?

[693] It's no best guy.

[694] Right, that's MMA math, right?

[695] It is, it is like this.

[696] That's the way to see it.

[697] So there is no stronger men in the world.

[698] You say, oh, I'm the baddest man on the planet because I'm champion.

[699] Like, the belting is an illusion, the belting.

[700] The belting is a symbol, but it's an illusion.

[701] It doesn't exist.

[702] You're not the stronger man in the world.

[703] I know a lot of people will disagree with me, but it is what it is.

[704] If you ask most experienced fighter, most people will think the same way.

[705] Because we realize at one point, like, when we're young because of our confident, or maybe the cockiness or are confident, after it, not that it fades, but we see we have more experience with knowledge.

[706] We realize it's all BS.

[707] It's not true.

[708] So the UFC offered you Nate Diaz.

[709] Did you consider it at all?

[710] Or was it like a media?

[711] I consider it.

[712] I consider it.

[713] However, I analyze it.

[714] I talk with Ferris, with my trainer, and everybody.

[715] We were all on the same page on that.

[716] It's like, it's not worth it.

[717] But did the UFC announce it?

[718] Did they say that they were working on it?

[719] I think they announced it.

[720] I'm not sure.

[721] I think they said it was a done deal.

[722] Look, it's not the first time it happened.

[723] And I'm not, they have a business to run the UFC.

[724] And their biggest fear is someone take the title and run with it.

[725] And I've been doing it two times with Johnny Hendricks and with Michael Bisping.

[726] Right.

[727] Like I run.

[728] They say I run, but it's for reasons, you know, there's always a reason.

[729] And that's their biggest fear.

[730] Sure.

[731] So, and I understand that.

[732] They have a business to run.

[733] But it's it's like WWWE when Andre the Giant passed the torch to Al Cogan.

[734] He passed the torch because it's for the business and he agreed to pass the torch but the thing in this in this sport we're not in WWE is my life on the line here I don't care about the business I do what is the best for my interest to me sure you have to I have to be selfish and I am selfish I say it openly I am I say it to the fan to whatever I am selfish because it's a sport that I can die man you can die in this sport and this is the truth can get or not maybe not that but it could create your death in the next time to come in the next year maybe you get a blow that messed up something in your brain because of a trauma that create something else so it's a very serious sport man it's not like you play hockey play baseball play football you don't play fighting so you do it for yourself you do what is best for yourself the organization will do what is best for the organization they're not your friend.

[735] So that's what the relation to have with Dana and some of the guy in UFC.

[736] It's a very special relationship.

[737] Maybe one day we'll sit down and we'll talk about the good old day and have a blast, have a laugh.

[738] But right now I'm always on the defensive.

[739] When my phone ring, I see Danae and I'm like God damn.

[740] Then I say what I should say what I should not say, no, no, no, and I'm completely honest about it.

[741] It's like some fighters say, no man, I just I say if you do that's because you're a idiot if you do that.

[742] If you just take any fight to give you.

[743] Yeah, oh yeah, I'll fight.

[744] No, I mean, it doesn't work like that.

[745] The ascension to be champion is not a straight line.

[746] Is this?

[747] Oh, it's an obstacle there.

[748] You're not, oh, then you come back.

[749] Is it?

[750] It is what it is.

[751] It is what it is.

[752] And you need to be surrounded by smart people.

[753] And if you don't have smart people, you need to be smart enough to find those people that are competent that will help you in particular domain that you're not competent to make the job for you and complete your circle, you know?

[754] Yeah, Dana was saying for a while that you didn't want to fight.

[755] He was saying, George doesn't want to fight.

[756] He said before I didn't want to fight before I fought Bisping.

[757] He said that love to.

[758] Why do you think he was saying that?

[759] Do you think he was putting pressure on you psychologically, like fucking with your head?

[760] Yeah, so my ego will make me, okay, I'll show you that I can fight.

[761] Bring me this guy.

[762] Yeah, that's what it is, man. It's a freaking game.

[763] It's all a game.

[764] We say it's not a game.

[765] It's real game.

[766] It's all a game.

[767] It's all business.

[768] It's all a game.

[769] I like that.

[770] Dana, man, the sport was nowhere.

[771] The sport was gone, man. He didn't go nowhere.

[772] Because of Dana.

[773] We hold Dana.

[774] My living, I owe it to Dana White.

[775] When I do the UFC weigh -ins, when I introduce everybody, I point to him, I say, Dana White, without him, none of this would be possible.

[776] And you're right?

[777] 100%.

[778] 100%.

[779] He's the best pound -for -pound promoter of all time.

[780] I don't care about Duncan, whoever.

[781] Dana White is the best.

[782] He's better than all.

[783] sport included.

[784] I never seen anything like this.

[785] He can sell ice to an Eskimo if he wants to.

[786] He's incredibly good.

[787] And he's fun.

[788] And he's good at messing up with my head too because even though I sometimes my ego is like like Nate Diaz because the stuff he said too and the way they try, I don't know if the UFC tried to make him say stuff because some fighters are more like pawned on a chest on a check chess board than others.

[789] Me I'm not I don't follow wind.

[790] Everything analyze.

[791] I'm thinking.

[792] I was like, why you say that?

[793] Why?

[794] Okay, that's bigger.

[795] So a lot of stuff have been said, and my ego, I'm like, man, what an answer.

[796] And I want to say, all right, you think my schedule is too busy?

[797] I'll take the point and I kick your head.

[798] You know what I mean?

[799] But I should not do that.

[800] It's a stupid move.

[801] If I start acting like this, I'm brum.

[802] And a lot of guys, they don't have that self -control and self -discipline in them.

[803] It's all a game, man. It's all a game.

[804] Because it's not, it's all, it's all, it's all a game, man. It's all a game.

[805] What did Nate say that fucked with you?

[806] Okay.

[807] Nate Diaz and Nick is like kind of together in a way.

[808] They say that I took steroid when I fought his brother.

[809] I messed up my glove, my rap.

[810] I didn't make weight.

[811] And what did he say?

[812] Oh yeah, I put something in the IV of his brother.

[813] So he said if I want to take care of it, like if, I don't know.

[814] He said it in his own, like, word, like in English slang.

[815] Like, oh, if you want to take care of this, I'm there, you know.

[816] He said someone poisoned him recently.

[817] Who was that, was that, for which fight was that?

[818] Is that Anderson Silva?

[819] Okay, I got to confess, Joe.

[820] I got to confess.

[821] I got to confess.

[822] Okay.

[823] I was so scared during this fight, so we tried to poison.

[824] I was so scared of fighting Nick Diaz, so we poison his IV.

[825] But he survived.

[826] So I was even more terrified, you know.

[827] So all the Athletic Commission was on my payroll, so they tricked the win, and then I made it.

[828] And it went through, so I was even more terrified.

[829] So the alien abducted me and put the gamma ray to increase my strength like the Hulk, like a performance -enancing drug.

[830] And the fight was still happening.

[831] so right before I put some glass and cement in my gloves make sure and still had a crazy hard fight you know so I gotta confess with Nick Mal but it's completely insane you know did he say that was for your fight he said all that he said for my fight that I poison his IV that I was on steroid that my my rap was wrong and he said also what did he said that he said yeah the the way and like I didn't make weight like I tricked the athletic commission or they were on my like it's just funny I think he has a he has a problem of conspiration conspiracy he thinks everybody is against him you know paranoia yes I think that's why it is there might be the weed it could be weed I don't want to say nothing bad about weed I think it but but weed like all things can be good but also can be bad okay okay food is good for you I do you're for the weed stuff I do enjoy weed and you're a smart guy you have much better argument at an argument I'm for responsible use though of everything including drinking right I like a drink every now and that I like I like pot but I don't think you should smoke it all day yeah but I think that's why it is I think weed I don't if it's a weed but I think it's maybe weed with social environment and genetic can create some kind of disorder in the brain and make you have the conspiracy problem you think everybody is against you is could happen and it could happen I've seen a lot of my friends who smoke a lot they have this problem yeah sometimes they think they're paranoid yeah I think it's like all things you do too much of it it can fuck with your head everything could be good or a bad depending on you use yes so what fight is interesting to you there's this talk of Kabib at 155 is the champion now yes and Connor those are the two fights that I hear right right now right now as we speak now I I wouldn't want not want right now to put myself immediately in a training camp because the reason is my symptom is not gone your colitis I feel a little bit it's not it's not as bad as it was not even close it's much better but I want to get the rear of it before I get in into a training camp before I got put myself into a stress because that stress what it doesn't amplify everything so if you have like little issues that it will amplify it yeah and at least I need to take care of that my my health is a pass in front of my performance in sport this is very important and when I'm ready like I don't know I may I would like do something like I said unique rear something that is rare that never been done before that would be a 55 pound It could be 55, which is the first in MMA to have the three titles, never been done before.

[832] Or it could be maybe by that time it would be another guy.

[833] Maybe, I don't know, it would be someone who will come back and do something great.

[834] He will be the man to beat, you know what I mean?

[835] Right.

[836] We talk about the Diaz, brother.

[837] And also, I changed subject a little bit, but on the same way, it's sad for Nick Diaz that he doesn't fight because stylistically people might think I'm crazy but stylistically I think he can beat Tyrone Woodley I think he can he's a kind of guy that keep coming at you keep coming at you and he's good at taking shot surviving that keep coming, keep coming at you and remember when I fought him it's terrifying because you got tired and this guy keep coming at you and he makes you feel like you claustrophobic and you do things at him and he keep coming and he's very dangerous and they're laid it around like after like three four round like man it's like it's very he never gets tired.

[838] It doesn't get tired but it's it makes you it's exhausting also nervous on the nervous system and the mental system not only physically so not much physically it's on the nervous system you come at you and you fake and and there's like a reaction time and reset time when you fight, you know, like, and I, I studied this with my team when I was fighting guys, and Nate Diaz, he makes people tired.

[839] You make the, Nick, Nick, Nick, that's why he wins fight.

[840] He's kind of a slow guy, but people got more tired than him quickly, especially in their nervous system.

[841] Yeah.

[842] There is guy like BJPen, for example, when I fought BJPen, I knew that BJPen had the best reaction time of all fighter we have seen in UFC when he was at his best.

[843] I measure the guy we know in Ferrest measure it with the frame you know a frame like a picture when you throw a punch click click click click BGAPN had the best reaction time of all fighters BGAPN when he was in his best and when I fought him I knew if I go straight at him you have a better reaction time than me so my goal is he had a very good reaction time but a bad reset time so his reset time is kind of the endurance for the brain so you could react like a smart you could react very fast but after a while he got tired very very fast after a lot of faking it and then this I make him guess and stuff so he was getting very tired fast so because of that I could get him because of that I could I could fake him and make him tired and lower his reaction time and then get him later yeah so Nate Diaz that's why he's so good Nick Diaz sorry that's why he's so good and that's sad for him he can he doesn't fight we play his best yours are his best years are now.

[844] He should do now.

[845] That's why he should do, man. And he's only 33.

[846] Is that what we said?

[847] 33 or 34?

[848] I mean, he's in his...

[849] Yeah, he should do it now.

[850] He should do it.

[851] Man, he had an opportunity to make a lot money.

[852] He could, he could do it.

[853] They suspended him for pot after he fought Anderson Silva and then he had to pay a fine.

[854] He never paid the fine.

[855] Yeah, because he's Nick Diaz.

[856] Yeah.

[857] But I respect that because in his mind, he think he's wrong and he don't...

[858] Yeah.

[859] He has a line, he have a code, you know?

[860] Yeah.

[861] And that's same thing I have the code for me for the drug test policy.

[862] I didn't want to come back unless they do something.

[863] I say it to Lorenzo and Dana after my fight, my last fight.

[864] I say it in my code and they wouldn't have done it.

[865] I would not have come back.

[866] Did you think Hendrix was on something?

[867] This is a question.

[868] I don't have the evidence.

[869] I would never have.

[870] Like you don't have the evidence.

[871] We talk about fighters like they got cut.

[872] You don't have the evidence they were there before they got cut.

[873] I don't have the evidence.

[874] The only thing I can say is I didn't want to attack one particular individual and I wanted to change the system because if you attack one individual, another one will come.

[875] So in that particular case it was Hendricks and I wanted to change it and in the beginning he agreed with me to do it but then he changed his mind and that's when I got very angry.

[876] So he agreed with you to take random drug tests?

[877] He agreed, it was public, he agreed when we say you can, Look, you have the evidence that in the interview, he said he agreed to do a test.

[878] But then he said, oh, no, I did not agree because also the UFC told him to not agree.

[879] The UFC told him to not.

[880] The UFC told him, it's the truth.

[881] They told him to not do it because they were, they didn't want, they had a problem maybe with the VADA, the World Anti -Doping Agency.

[882] Yes, there's WADA that make the guideline, but they're VADA.

[883] That's Vada that I took.

[884] They had a problem with them.

[885] I don't know why it was.

[886] Is that Victor Conti?

[887] Did he have something to do with that?

[888] No, it was Mar -Marguerite something?

[889] It was a lady, but they had a problem, so they said to not do with the test.

[890] Not do it, period.

[891] I don't know if it was because.

[892] I think it was because of Vada.

[893] Because I made a little investigation on that, and I got very angry.

[894] That's why, like, psychologically, I said to myself, I shouldn't, I should not have.

[895] If I would have go back in time, I would not have to take that fight.

[896] I would not have to take that fight.

[897] That's why I respect a lot of fighters.

[898] They stand up for themselves.

[899] I didn't have the courage.

[900] I didn't do it when it was time to do it.

[901] And I should.

[902] I regret it.

[903] This is one thing I regret my career.

[904] I should have done it.

[905] I said, you don't want to sign, okay, take your belt.

[906] I'm gone.

[907] Yeah.

[908] I should have done that before.

[909] Maybe I would have come back earlier.

[910] Hmm.

[911] So.

[912] I wouldn't miss a paycheck, but wouldn't, you know, I had enough.

[913] I would have enough.

[914] You know what I mean?

[915] So you don't want to say whether or not you suspect that Johnny Hendricks is doing something, but there was people that were definitely doing something.

[916] Yes, I don't have the evidence.

[917] Maybe he did, maybe he didn't.

[918] I don't want to accuse, and a lot of guys, they do it, and I don't want to judge them because a lot of them, they have a family to feed and everything, and this could make the difference between winning a million dollar or not winning at all.

[919] You know what I mean?

[920] So everybody has a different reason why they do it.

[921] And it's just a system encourage it to do it.

[922] That's a problem.

[923] Yeah.

[924] And especially if there's no testing or the testing is very poor.

[925] Like the testing when you first started your career, I mean, basically you just had to pee after the way in and you were okay.

[926] You have to be, even now it's still easy to even now.

[927] You think so?

[928] Yeah, man. Like how would someone rig the system?

[929] Now, okay, let's say I have a whereabout in my phone, okay?

[930] Now I'm saying it, and everybody knows that, especially the cheater, they know that.

[931] Look, I thought it true.

[932] It's not 100 % sure, but let's say I want to have an injection of a product that will last in my body for two days or one day.

[933] So I know that particular day I cannot be tested because if I am, I'm screwed.

[934] Right.

[935] So I put my whereabout that I'm traveling to the freaking...

[936] Antarctica.

[937] Or anywhere like somewhere that is believable.

[938] Yeah.

[939] And then I come back in two days after.

[940] But that substance will stain my body for a certain period of time.

[941] But the effect of it will last maybe a month.

[942] And now we talk about performance and enhancing drugs.

[943] Joe, people I misunderstand.

[944] They say, oh yeah, but it still doesn't make the difference.

[945] Yes, it does make the difference.

[946] difference in an athlete and the reason is in the 80s and before it was giving you more power more stamina more endurance now man with the technology they have stuff that will change your reaction time your confidence your reset time and this is a huge huge application man if you're if you play baseball or you're in fighting you see the things coming you have your reaction time you're sharper in the brain what makes a guy athletic it's not as muscle the reason why you're saying both is you run faster.

[947] There's many reasons why.

[948] But one of the main reason is because his brain, his nervous system is better.

[949] And if you make your nervous system better and more competent better, you're a better athlete, man. You're a better fighter.

[950] You're a better baseball player.

[951] You're a better person in a way.

[952] Of course, that effect is limited, but there's still the muscle memory thing that will last.

[953] You know, and he could laugh forever.

[954] So now with the technology, man, at one point, the sport, that's why I'm afraid.

[955] I'm afraid the sport becomes so messed up that with the gene doping and all that.

[956] At one point, it would be all, sport will be completely messed up.

[957] In the future, I talk, no, but sport will be, it won't be any normal people competing.

[958] It will be all like kind of a seaborg people.

[959] Yeah, cyborgs.

[960] But people are really worried about gene doping.

[961] Yeah, man. They're already starting to do that in China.

[962] But not only Jean, even the modern stuff, performance -enhancing drug, they do, man. It's very hard to catch up people.

[963] So like I said, it's easy to take something.

[964] I mean, there is always a chance that you get up, but that's how I would do it.

[965] That's how I would do.

[966] And I would pretend I'm going in Antarctica, get an injection, then I come back, and I'm good.

[967] Novitsky told me that they're starting, well, they have it, and they don't know whether not people are taking it, but they're taking testosterone as the right.

[968] from animals, not from wild yams.

[969] Like, the way they get testosterone now, if you get, like, a testosterone injection, they're getting it from wild yams.

[970] And some other...

[971] Yams.

[972] Yeah, the fruit, you know, the vegetable.

[973] Really?

[974] The tuber, you know, it's like...

[975] In Jamaica is the yam, yeah.

[976] Yeah, that's how they're getting testosterone.

[977] They're getting it from that.

[978] A plant?

[979] Really?

[980] Yeah, they're plant -based wild yam testosterone.

[981] But now they're able to get it from...

[982] animals.

[983] And the animal testosterone, you don't, like, they do carbon isotope tests.

[984] Yes.

[985] And the carbon isotope test don't detect the difference between an animal testosterone and human testosterone.

[986] But there's a current test.

[987] One of the things that they do is they freeze your piss and they freeze your blood for, I think, they're doing it for years.

[988] And this is how they've caught some of these Russian wrestlers and they've taken away gold medals from guys that won in the early 2000s for, they've found new tests.

[989] And with the new test, they've been able to determine that they were taking steroids.

[990] I think it's the same thing when Ben Johnson beat Carl Lewis.

[991] Yes.

[992] Yeah, yeah.

[993] Man, Ben Johnson is.

[994] Well, he was on some shit, but guess what?

[995] Carl Lewis was on some shit too.

[996] Yeah, I think nine out of the 10 or eight out of the...

[997] Like, the guy that finished like eight, Like, he was a Brazilian guy.

[998] Then he got an interview.

[999] He said, yeah, I was just a line fillers for the main guy.

[1000] He would have won the gold medal.

[1001] Right, because everybody else tested.

[1002] Man, that shit changed your life, man. That changed your life, man. You make you a better living, millionaire maybe, sponsorship.

[1003] Yeah.

[1004] That's just so bad, you know.

[1005] It's crazy.

[1006] Yeah, man, it's crazy.

[1007] How about Lance Armstrong?

[1008] I mean, when you go, the Tour de France, when he won, and then they took his title away, all the people that were below him were all.

[1009] also guilty.

[1010] So you take his title away.

[1011] What about the number two?

[1012] He's fucking guilty, too.

[1013] Number three.

[1014] They said that on one of the years that he won, you had to go back to 18th place to find a guy who's never caught taking anything.

[1015] That's a dirty sport.

[1016] But, man, you ask me if I think he was taking, I don't know.

[1017] But you have your suspicions.

[1018] I have a suspicion, but it's not right.

[1019] If you don't have the evidence to accuse someone.

[1020] Yes, I agree with you.

[1021] And even today, it's, if I think, there is some guys, if there's a lot of guy that takes steroid and performance and enhancing drug, yes.

[1022] Yes.

[1023] And I have an idea of who, who, who, who, who, who.

[1024] And I'm pretty like, just for my gut feeling, 99 .9 % sure.

[1025] But I don't have the evidence.

[1026] It's not what you think.

[1027] Right.

[1028] It's not what you know is what you can prove.

[1029] And I don't know.

[1030] Yeah.

[1031] Talking, you know, I'm in a game.

[1032] I'm talking to a lot of people in between fighters.

[1033] We know who does who.

[1034] There's only a few handful of people who do.

[1035] does the whole the whole team.

[1036] Yeah.

[1037] You know, one guy could do this team, this team, this team, and one other guy can do two teams.

[1038] The word goes around, Especially when your top elite fighter, the world goes, the word goes around, you know, like the people, they talk to me and they say if I would be interested, I've been offered before in different things, you know?

[1039] What have you been offered before?

[1040] I've been offered, man, to, sometimes to go train and, like, some deals, You know, like to go train and do something being part of a, you know, like they have a, they take sample of your blood.

[1041] They know what is missing.

[1042] Then they put the stuff that is missing, make you.

[1043] I said, no, I say, I rather stay in Montreal, you know, like I, and I don't say in Montreal could be a lot of cheater too.

[1044] That's the thing.

[1045] You accuse a gym of cheating.

[1046] You cannot accuse a gym of cheating because everybody is different, you know.

[1047] Right, right.

[1048] There's people cheating everywhere now.

[1049] You can't say, oh, these, these people are cheated.

[1050] and it doesn't work like that.

[1051] It works every individual, you know.

[1052] If you made the choice, if you decide to go that path, you have to be ready to face a consequence.

[1053] If you don't face a consequence during your competition years, maybe you'll face later after you're gone and you retire for your career.

[1054] A lot of people I know, excluding a lot.

[1055] Some of my friends, they were bodybuilders.

[1056] Now you see their body are messed up, man. Their hormones are all messed up.

[1057] They got back.

[1058] problem.

[1059] I don't want to be like that.

[1060] I don't want to be like that.

[1061] I want to be happy, you know?

[1062] I want to be healthy.

[1063] Yeah, they tear their joints apart too.

[1064] That's like I had Dorian Yates on the podcast.

[1065] He can't even do push -ups now.

[1066] I mean, and Dorian Yates was Mr. Olympia.

[1067] He was a fucking giant guy, but all that, everything just ripped apart.

[1068] It's like everything's all fucked up.

[1069] It just doesn't work right anymore, you know?

[1070] However, if you ask these people, would you do it again?

[1071] Maybe they say, yeah.

[1072] Maybe it was worth it.

[1073] Maybe it was worth it.

[1074] Maybe it wasn't.

[1075] I think it depends of every individual.

[1076] You know what I mean?

[1077] But for me, I'm happy with what I have so far.

[1078] I could get more maybe in the future, but I don't want to go that path to try to risk everything.

[1079] What did you think when testosterone replacement therapy was a thing?

[1080] And they were allowing people like Vitor and these people to take testosterone.

[1081] I was so freaking angry about this.

[1082] I think it was like, you know, it's a different case for every.

[1083] everybody, but I believe if you need to take the medication to compete, performance and medication to compete, you shouldn't be allowed.

[1084] It shouldn't be competing.

[1085] And Joe, I'm not against steroid.

[1086] I'm going to explain to it.

[1087] Like, people say, oh, he's against, I'm not against, like, steroid or testosterone.

[1088] I'm not against it.

[1089] If it's for the well -being, if it's an older man who he cannot have sex with his wife and he's like, man, he goes to see the doctor.

[1090] I was like, man, I lose the edge a little bit.

[1091] Can you...

[1092] The doctor was like, yeah, I put the cream that will increase your testosterone.

[1093] And the guy is happy, you have sex with his wife.

[1094] You're talking about competition.

[1095] Yes, in terms of competition, if me and you were fighting and we sign that we're not using any weapon.

[1096] And I'm talking about biological weapon.

[1097] We fight men to men as real martial artist by a code of honor.

[1098] And you behind or me, I go and inject myself something to make me stronger or more competent.

[1099] my my could also help my neuron to fire better to get something to be more to be better to enhance my performance now now I'm against that yeah this is a code of honor and if you don't respect that code man it should be out of martial art what are people taking that makes the reaction time better it makes their mind I don't know that the name but there there is many if you talk to a guy there's a lot of things a lot of things I know baseball player they take stuff for the reaction time like the pitcher.

[1100] Because in baseball, in tennis, and even in fighting, before you throw a punch, there is like an indication.

[1101] The body language, you read something.

[1102] Like before you throw a ball, there's a movement.

[1103] Before you punch, there's a, so you see better, you brain.

[1104] There's even medication you can take for exam.

[1105] You study in school.

[1106] There's an exam.

[1107] You have an exam tomorrow.

[1108] You're going to study the stuff that you need to know.

[1109] It will increase.

[1110] Then you go past the exam.

[1111] I know it sound crazy.

[1112] Go, go get it.

[1113] It's great.

[1114] Well, I know Adderall.

[1115] Adderall is one.

[1116] It makes you wise, man. It makes you better in the brain.

[1117] If you make your brain better, your nervous system better, man. You're a better fighter.

[1118] It's not only physical.

[1119] Physical enhancement.

[1120] It wasn't the 80s.

[1121] Now we're in the 2000 year now.

[1122] Now it's neurologic, man. That's when it's crazy dangerous.

[1123] And soon it will be like with the gene doping.

[1124] Forget it, man. The athlete will be born athlete.

[1125] You won't be, a guy like me or anybody that fighting in UFC won't be able to compete in USC anymore because they're not super human, you know what I mean?

[1126] No, I agree.

[1127] In the future, sport will be so messed up, it will be crazy.

[1128] We're all going to be gamers, play a video game.

[1129] Yeah, right?

[1130] Yeah, you're probably right.

[1131] We're all going to be gamers.

[1132] This will be end.

[1133] This thing that being an athlete will, it's not going to make any sense in the future, I believe.

[1134] You know, maybe it will be completely ridiculous.

[1135] It's like, oh, you're not born.

[1136] You're never going to be, you know what I mean?

[1137] And it will be real because you're not born to be an athlete.

[1138] You're not bred to be an athlete.

[1139] Yeah, with gene editing, they're going to be able to change your height.

[1140] They're going.

[1141] They can do it now.

[1142] They can do it now.

[1143] They haven't really shown that they can do it with humans in America at least.

[1144] It's crazy.

[1145] But they're absolutely experimenting with it all over the world.

[1146] The cow and every, like, it's insane.

[1147] Yeah.

[1148] They're doing a lot of crazy shit.

[1149] Yeah.

[1150] Yeah, and I think maybe it's 100 years, maybe it's 50 years, but whatever it is, in that amount of time, you're going to be dealing with people that are basically superheroes.

[1151] Yeah, the sport will be destroyed.

[1152] When that happened, sport will be destroyed.

[1153] Yeah, no, I agree with you.

[1154] The sport will be finished, like the 100 meter, can you believe?

[1155] Like, how freaking fast a human being can be to be closer to zero second?

[1156] Yeah.

[1157] Like, do you think we'll pass the bar of nine seconds one day?

[1158] It's theoretically not impossible in a way.

[1159] I mean, at one point, there's a line that you can't, like, you can diminish that time, but it's like a curve, you know, like you can't, you know.

[1160] But if we got that sort of performance -enhancing drug, that would be crazy.

[1161] But there'll probably be some sort of a side effect to it and some sort of a downside to it.

[1162] You know, they'll probably die younger, their tissue will diminish faster.

[1163] But who knows, maybe they'll be able to regenerate stuff.

[1164] If you talk to some doctor that knows, like I know you have done they said that steroid like performance enhancing drug if you do it if they do it well some people don't have any side effect of it right if you don't abuse it yes so man maybe it won't have any side effect maybe everybody will be on it maybe it will be like a iPhone will be like oh that's like who knows who knows the future who knows you know yeah it's totally possible I mean you might be in a lot of ways one of the last of the natural athletes Maybe it's a few more years before we get there, but yeah, man. When I think about it, it's going to be finished.

[1165] It's going to be, I don't know.

[1166] Maybe we're all going to be video game players or whatever.

[1167] When you see yourself competing again, how much longer do you think you'll wait out?

[1168] I mean, you're 37 now.

[1169] When do you think you'll be healthy enough?

[1170] When will your colitis feel good enough?

[1171] Like, do you have a time period?

[1172] It's hard to say maybe a few weeks.

[1173] Maybe take a few weeks.

[1174] maybe one, two, three months, max, maybe maximum.

[1175] Maybe less than that, maybe less than that.

[1176] A little bit of time off, just a little bit of time.

[1177] Yeah, yeah.

[1178] Yeah, I want to make sure I get past that because I feel like if I go back into it and it will start all over again, I don't want that.

[1179] It was bad, Joe, I couldn't sleep night.

[1180] I would, like, cramp, like bad cramp.

[1181] Like, I stay up all night and had the sparing the next day.

[1182] And, oh, my God, it was crazy, man. It's very bad.

[1183] He had blood.

[1184] I had to go in the bathroom.

[1185] I had blood, man. You feel like you want to go to the bathroom, but then I think come out out and it's the blood, the blood that come out, man, you look at the bathroom, you see the blood, you think, it's like, man, what's wrong?

[1186] You think, like the...

[1187] Cancer or something.

[1188] The dream catcher, the movie with...

[1189] Oh, Steve...

[1190] Yeah, you know what I mean?

[1191] Like, it's like, what the hell?

[1192] You know what I mean?

[1193] Oh, yeah.

[1194] It's crazy, man. You're like, what's happening with me?

[1195] Am I dying?

[1196] It was very...

[1197] I don't want to go back to this.

[1198] I want to make sure.

[1199] I take care of this stuff.

[1200] So just maybe even a few more months of just taking care of your body.

[1201] Maybe a month, week, I want to see when I feel good, I'll eat a little little bit time.

[1202] When I feel like a hundred percent, like I don't feel anything.

[1203] Like, sometimes I still feel when I'm going to eat.

[1204] I feel not that pain, but I feel inside is something different.

[1205] Right.

[1206] But it's diminishes every week.

[1207] It's every month.

[1208] It diminish.

[1209] I see a difference.

[1210] So if you do go back and you'd go back to 55.

[1211] Have you tried to make that cut before?

[1212] I never tried and I won't.

[1213] I'm going to explain to you.

[1214] I'm not a fan of weight cutting.

[1215] I think weight cutting should be like a marathon runner.

[1216] A marathon runner when you train for a marathon, he never does a marathon in this training.

[1217] He does half or maybe a quarter of it different things.

[1218] So it's not healthy to lose your weight.

[1219] You dehydrate yourself.

[1220] And starving is not that bad, but it's more the dehydration problem.

[1221] Me, I'm very worried about health issue, and I don't want this very important.

[1222] So when I do it, I go all in.

[1223] I'll do like the best thing fight.

[1224] I never tried to do, to get my weight much.

[1225] It's different, you know, when you go up and go down.

[1226] But I said, yes, I do it, and I go, and I, you know what I mean, and I do it.

[1227] I like the thrill of it, the excitement of the unknown.

[1228] It kind of excite me in a way.

[1229] I don't know if you know.

[1230] So it's kind of an experimentation, it's live, I cannot mess up.

[1231] That's what excite me. It's not the, oh, I know I can't, no, I don't know, man, I'm going to do it now.

[1232] It's happening now.

[1233] That's what excite me. Well, there's guys are your size, like Kevin Lee is your size.

[1234] Kevin Lee is about my size.

[1235] He's a big guy.

[1236] Kabib is about, I think, close to 200.

[1237] I saw a 24th, Ferguson, he was posting picture.

[1238] He was 200.

[1239] I never been naturally 200.

[1240] Like, when I fought Best Spring, at one point, I was almost 200.

[1241] like I was like big guy but I was like all like water retention I didn't feel right it was not feeling good man Kevin is a big guy and there was an article today I saw somewhere that was saying you know that Kevin really wants a 165 pound weight class like he can't really make 155 very much longer I think it will be the best man this guy I think he's good if I look all the new guy that are coming it's freaking scary man I'm 37 maybe I have one maybe one two maybe three I don't know I do my thing and I get out of here.

[1242] When do you think you're going to retire?

[1243] Do you have an idea?

[1244] Oh, I'm never going to...

[1245] 40?

[1246] It's impossible that I fight past 40.

[1247] Impossible.

[1248] I'm not going to fight in a cage at 4 years old, man. But he's like 37.

[1249] Man, it's like a kid that play...

[1250] Like, that's Arnors Ragnar, what he says to me. It's like a kid that play with a train.

[1251] He's 2 years old, 3 years old, 4 years old, 5 years old.

[1252] Then you look at the train when he gets 6 years old, he's like, What the hell I'm doing with that train?

[1253] At 40 years old, it's finished for me. Fighting in a cage, are you?

[1254] I've done it.

[1255] It's not interesting right now.

[1256] 40 years old, I'm a grown man. I'm not going to fight in a freaking cage at 40 years old.

[1257] But that's only 36 months from now.

[1258] You're saying it like it's forever.

[1259] Yeah, exactly.

[1260] So it has to happen fast.

[1261] It has to happen fast.

[1262] And if it don't happen, I'm happy.

[1263] I'm happy too.

[1264] Well, the comeback alone was like one of the greatest comebacks ever.

[1265] Yeah.

[1266] To come back after four years, win the title, beat the champion, and beat them definitively.

[1267] Rear naked choke, put him to sleep.

[1268] That's why, Joe, it need to be something that really excite me. Because I'm going to tell you something.

[1269] One of my friends, C .T. Fletcher, he says something.

[1270] I love C .T. Fletcher.

[1271] He's amazing.

[1272] He just had his heart transplant.

[1273] Yeah, he's doing good now.

[1274] He's better.

[1275] He said some love to C .T. C .T. You're the inspiration, man. Yeah, man. See, you're inspiration, man. We love that guy.

[1276] He says satisfaction is that death.

[1277] death blow and it's true now i'm happy i'm satisfied but if i see something and satisfaction is what does you say is death blow is finish if you're satisfied if you're a champion and you're satisfied retirement because you're going down you finish you're gonna get hurt yeah as an athlete especially in our game now i'm in everything i do i go further and further that's why i didn't want to fight nade diaz if i fight nade dyes if i fight nade dyes if it's been before it's been it's not excited for me and I would be going into that fight satisfy and if I do that I'm gonna it's very dangerous I want to do something that I'm like like the 155 I'm like I never did it before title like or beating a certain guy that he's on a freaking rise and well that would be Khabib then because like Kib Kabe Kabe could be already beaten Connor could be Kabe Kabe could be I don't know if they're new guy that do something that that is on And me, I come back, I'm like, oh, George never going to beat that.

[1278] When you say never, man, I love it.

[1279] You say never, as crazy it is, when you said never going to come back, I, like, it excite me. When you say, I cannot do that, it's never been done before.

[1280] That's mean if I do it, it would be the first time that excite me. That really turned me on.

[1281] There's a lot of things that turn me on in life, is women, dinosaurs, and this.

[1282] People that say, you don't, that really make me going crazy.

[1283] Dinosaurs.

[1284] No, no, but it's paleontology.

[1285] Since I'm kidding, I studied paleontology.

[1286] Wow, that's awesome, man. I traveled the world during those four years off, by the way.

[1287] Did you?

[1288] Yeah, yeah.

[1289] What did you do during those four years off?

[1290] I was, I went, I traveled a lot of the world on the site, on the site seeing.

[1291] Yeah, yeah.

[1292] I would never be, that made me realize, too, that I could never be a paleontologist.

[1293] I don't have the patience to go, like, a, will a toothbrush, yeah.

[1294] For hours, I would drive me. I like to get the knowledge of it, to be on the field, to get the knowledge.

[1295] fast.

[1296] But I don't like to work to get the knowledge which make me not a real paleontologist.

[1297] The paleontologist is willing to put the work into it.

[1298] In MMA, I'm willing to put the work into it to become the champion, you know?

[1299] Yeah.

[1300] But in panellotology, that's how I, because at one point I thought I liked both equally, now I realize no, I like the sport better.

[1301] The problem with the sport of MMA is so exciting.

[1302] And paleontology is probably very exciting once you find like a T -Rex head or something like that.

[1303] It's the knowledge, man. Yeah, the knowledge is exciting.

[1304] I mean, I have a thing, every month, every time they have a discovery is in my phone.

[1305] Oh, a can app.

[1306] Yes.

[1307] And every time it's a new discovery or something, like, boom.

[1308] And my friend, they make fun of me. They're like, man, you fight in a cage, you meet up people, you like paleontology, what's wrong with you?

[1309] Because they make fun of me. I went in Argentina in Patagonia.

[1310] I was there with paleontologists, biologists, and microbiologists on site, you know.

[1311] And I had that blast, man. It was amazing.

[1312] But people were like, Georgia is gone in a freaking bad land, like, alone, isolated for the rest of the world to do that kind of stuff.

[1313] You know, so they were making fun.

[1314] Did you find anything?

[1315] I did not find it But I went on site I saw eggs I saw sauropod Remains Titanosaurs They're still in the ground When you were there Like they're finding It's excavating it Yeah but Joe it takes It's a long process man This that's mean It has been covered For at least like 66 million years Man You talk about like And the place where I was It was early to Cretaceous And I was like Cretaceous But it was like a hundred million years So that's mean It did not get exposed to oxygen for 100 million years.

[1316] That's why you got, so you, it's like a crime scene, man. Where you go on this thing, it's freaking there, man. It's like a crime scene that you discover, but like a hundred million years crime scene, man. You see these sauropods, man, these titanosaurs.

[1317] It's insane, man. Well, it's crazy, too, that it's not even really a bone anymore.

[1318] The mineral has replaced the bone, and you just get the shape of the bone that's sort of been fossilized.

[1319] Yeah.

[1320] You know, like, that's why if you see, like, Megalodon teeth, they're black.

[1321] I have in my house, the Megalodon teeth.

[1322] Crazy, right?

[1323] Yeah, it's insane, man. Megalodon is, like, the strongest bite force ever recorded, man. It's crazy.

[1324] It's a big fucking animal.

[1325] Yeah, it was a huge fish.

[1326] Yeah, you feed on whales.

[1327] Like, it's crazy, but, like, this is one of the things that really excite me. So during those four years, I was doing, man, I had a blast.

[1328] I didn't have that time to do it before that, and I felt like, it was missing in my life.

[1329] Really?

[1330] Paleontology was missing in your life.

[1331] That's fascinating.

[1332] I went in Alberta.

[1333] I went also in Dakota, in the United States.

[1334] I want to go in Egypt.

[1335] And then Egypt and Morocco, there was some site that there were, once upon a time, it was like, like I'm talking about this, probably nobody cares, but I love it.

[1336] There were like three giant apex predator living in the same, like a giant crocodile, Sarko Sushis, carcarrondotosaurus, and spinosaurs.

[1337] These two live in the same area.

[1338] Wow.

[1339] I wonder what happened.

[1340] Like three alpha, freaking predator living the same time.

[1341] I wonder if they interact with each other and it must have been a crazy time, man. I have a friend and one of his good friends has a ranch in Montana and he found something on the ranch and he called this paleontologist and they went to his ranch and they shut the place down.

[1342] You got a T -Rex here.

[1343] Really?

[1344] Yeah.

[1345] They gave him over a million dollars for it.

[1346] Yeah.

[1347] And they excavated this T -Rex in his ranch, and apparently it was a really good specimen.

[1348] In Canada, if you find something, it belongs to the government.

[1349] Oh, fucking Canada.

[1350] Let's say you find a bone in your backyard, it doesn't belong to you.

[1351] Oh, that's fucked up.

[1352] Yeah, that sucks, man. It's very bad.

[1353] That's America's got you guys beat for that.

[1354] When I was young, Joe, I remember I used to live.

[1355] in countryside.

[1356] I used to go and try to go to find bones, but I didn't know back then.

[1357] I was not educated, so I thought maybe I could find dinosaurs.

[1358] I was spending hours in trying to find dinosaurs.

[1359] Every work I took, I thought it was a dinosaur.

[1360] I used to bring it back.

[1361] And my mom said, yeah, yeah, it's a dinosaur state.

[1362] Yeah, right there, because it was kind of a triangular shape.

[1363] But then I found out that all the place where I come from, it was all erosion.

[1364] So there's nothing from Cretaceous or Jurassic or Triassic back that it's all like before that so it's all gone yeah so it's just crazy man it's been a long time i was in montana once and uh there's this area that used to be the great western inland sea and this uh this area like the ground is like this mucky ground especially when it rains it's essentially silt like the bottom of a lake you know that's because it was a it was a like a sea in between inland cutting the the the cutting the america in half yeah Yeah.

[1365] Appalachio and La Ramedia, the two continent cut.

[1366] Yeah, you know all about that shit, huh?

[1367] I can know this, man. I know as much as M .MA with this stuff.

[1368] Really?

[1369] Almost, yeah.

[1370] Wow.

[1371] Like, maybe not, but I am passionate with this, man, a long time.

[1372] It's fascinating when you're walking around this area in Montana.

[1373] It's called the Missouri Breaks.

[1374] And because this ground, it does feel like, you know, if you've ever seen a lake bed, if the water recedes, it's got that silty sort of weird mud, this is all, the whole ground.

[1375] is like this.

[1376] It sticks to your boots.

[1377] Like it gets heavy and clumps on the bottom of your boots.

[1378] It's like this muck.

[1379] Maybe, man, we don't know what the future will look like, man. Sometimes I'm thinking, Drew, I'm like, you know what people talk about the environment?

[1380] They say, oh, the pollution will make, we have hot hair and ice age, hot hair.

[1381] It's been going forever.

[1382] But sometimes I'm thinking, I'm like, yeah, okay, of course the pollution and the human has an effect on the climate.

[1383] But I wonder how much of a, how big we have an effect.

[1384] Some people say it's debatable.

[1385] Is it that big or is not that big?

[1386] Some says it's, yes, it is bad.

[1387] Some says, yeah, it's bad, but we don't have that much of an effect as, you know, I don't know about that.

[1388] I would like to have a clearance or to, to, for that.

[1389] I think we have an effect, but I like, I wonder how now we're going in a hot here, the glacier are for, are melting, but the hot here will, will go to an ice age, you know that, right?

[1390] Because of the current and everything.

[1391] So I wonder how much of an effect and how long it'll take, because we don't have any record of how long everything it takes.

[1392] We know a little bit, but not that much, you know.

[1393] It's a fascinating subject, for sure.

[1394] Yeah, man, it would be, are we going to live through that time?

[1395] Probably not, but I'm like, you know what I mean?

[1396] It's like how long it will take.

[1397] I'm very interesting about that.

[1398] That's why I love this thing.

[1399] Learning from the past make you understand something, the present and the future.

[1400] I mean, I think it's really interesting.

[1401] Yeah, no, I'm very fascinated by it.

[1402] Are you still interested in aliens?

[1403] Yeah, man. Still?

[1404] So that's the thing.

[1405] When I first came on your show, you cut me really off guard.

[1406] Because most people that we talk about aliens, they completely think you're crazy or you disregard.

[1407] It's like, oh, you're going to talk about, like, you know, most people that attract with, you know, they, so you feel like, ridiculous.

[1408] Right.

[1409] Then I, and then after I found out, you read a lot about that stuff, like the Sumerian text, the creation tablets, Zacharization and all that stuff.

[1410] And I do too.

[1411] I mean, I don't know if there is, like, if there is alien.

[1412] Like, I think there would be life form.

[1413] I don't know if it's intelligence.

[1414] We don't have evidence for it.

[1415] Right.

[1416] And I think our ego as human being want us to believe that the alien came and interact with us.

[1417] that's our ego but if they're that far in advance from us and they come from a different world maybe they don't want to interact because we have nothing to offer them they're not going to kidnap a farmer and ask him what kind of suspension is wearing you know what i mean like they they think about you know what i mean it's but think about what you just said about paleontology i mean we're paying attention to stupid fucking lizards that lived 65 million years ago it's true i mean don't you think they would be curious this weird monkey with nuclear weapons yeah but we don't communicate with it.

[1418] We don't interact.

[1419] There's ways that they can learn from us without communicate.

[1420] I don't know.

[1421] I mean, I think it's our ego that make us, we want to feel special.

[1422] We want to feel that, like, oh, we're different, you know, like we're different beings than, for example, a dog or, yeah, we can think because we're smart, but, like, I don't know how this has been giving to us.

[1423] Like, I don't know, you know.

[1424] And you were talking about it Like when I was young I used to have Like we talked about it last time You said oh You were talking about like the experience I said I remember that I remembered But I can't recall it When I was young I had I don't know if it's dream I remember I used to dry I used to draw Figure of monster I say my mom is the monster They come get me at night I was That's why we talked last time right right but I was I was very uncomfortable and I didn't want to talk about it because I was like man how the hell he knows it you know everything man this guy he knows everything he made research and stuff so I made I made the drawing and and then my my mom even now today I said hey I want to I want to see the drawing you know like and I and I and I show the drawing and I'm like and then after I remember later I remember I remember that I remember but I couldn't remember.

[1425] You understand what I mean?

[1426] I remembered that I remembered that something that happened, but now I can't remember what exactly happened.

[1427] Right.

[1428] Could be a nightmare, could be another sleep paralysis or...

[1429] Paralysis, yeah.

[1430] My imagination, I don't have evidence, you know what I mean?

[1431] That's what we talked about it last time.

[1432] And that's what happened to me. And I hope it's nightmare.

[1433] It's nightmare, you know what I mean?

[1434] But the thing is, later on, documentary on TV, I saw some people that had the similar experiences me, loss of memory and things like this, when they were young.

[1435] And they claim they get a, they get a hypnosis and stuff, then they go back and time and they explain, they get abducted by him, and then I start to freak out about it because I said, man, is that what happened to me?

[1436] But there is more a lot more logical explanation.

[1437] You know what I mean?

[1438] But that's why, when you brought that back, I freaked out.

[1439] I was like, how the hell he knows this?

[1440] Like, how the hell knows this.

[1441] I didn't want to talk about it, but then he then it was also, my agent was there, he's like, hey, we need in 10 minutes.

[1442] I'm like, I didn't, we were misinformed.

[1443] We didn't know that podcast was like that long and this.

[1444] All these things in my head, I didn't know what to make of it, you know?

[1445] So that's what it was.

[1446] Yeah.

[1447] It's entirely possible that we're experiencing something when we're dreaming.

[1448] That we're, when we're sleeping.

[1449] When we're unconscious that maybe there's dimensions that consciousness travels to that are non -finding.

[1450] physical that like this this dimension when we're in right now we could touch this table move this microphone around these are physical dimensions but it's entirely possible that whatever your spirit is or your consciousness or your your mind when when when you're you're thinking of your thoughts and your soul that you said you're a soul yeah whatever that means you believe is that is a soul you believe i don't know what that means okay okay it's a weird word right it's a really it has religious connotations, but the idea of whatever your essence is as a human being, there's something inside of all of us that makes us conscious and aware and there.

[1451] And then that something is not there when you're sleeping.

[1452] And so is it dormant?

[1453] Is it just recovering, which is the scientific version of it?

[1454] Or is it possible that while you're in this dream state and your body shuts off, that your mind and your consciousness travels to a non -physical dimension that you can only access through the chemicals that are released in your brain, which we know produce psychedelic experiences.

[1455] So if you took the chemicals that are released during your brain or inside your brain like dimethythotryptamine and there's all sorts of different psychedelic chemicals that are produced by the mind, If you take these outside of, you know, the dream state, if you take these drugs, you have these crazy, fantastic experiences.

[1456] And we know these are produced by the brain.

[1457] They produce.

[1458] They're produced by the brain also.

[1459] Yes, they're produced by the brain.

[1460] They're produced by the liver and the lungs.

[1461] We believe they're produced by your third eye, which is your pineal gland.

[1462] They've shown, the Cottonwood Research Foundation has shown that this is done in rats.

[1463] The rats produce dimethythotamine in their pineal gland.

[1464] It doesn't necessarily mean that people do, but it's logical to.

[1465] imply that people probably or conclude that people probably do it as well.

[1466] So those chemicals that are producing these psychedelic experiences are being released by the brain, but we don't know why and we don't know what they're doing.

[1467] When you sleep, like you have a guy, Matthew Walker.

[1468] Yes, it was amazing, right?

[1469] When you sleep, your guardian, your logic is not there.

[1470] That part of your brain is gone.

[1471] So that's probably the most logical experience, but it's kind of a freaking scary thought of thinking that man is like it makes you wonder sometimes sometimes you're at night that you're at night alone and you're thinking man and me I'm a guy that think a lot you know I'm thinking about all kinds of scenario like in a fight I think about all scenario but in life on the same way I'm thinking what if this happened for real or what if like man it's scary talk man it's it's it's it's nothing more scary in the world Well, what is scarier?

[1472] Is it scary to think that when you die, you're just gone and nothing happens?

[1473] Or is it scary to think that your consciousness leaves this physical dimension and goes into what's essentially a well of souls?

[1474] Just a dimension, a non -physical dimension of consciousness where all consciousness interacts with each other and it's just geometric patterns that don't have a physical being attached to them?

[1475] it's hard for me to believe the consciousness is not material material because let's say you would say sometimes people have they say oh he's a good person he's a bad person I don't believe there is good and bad person I believe there's no people no baby born good or bad I believe is your environment and that makes that shape you and it has a lot to do with it genes have a lot to do so when you say the the mind let's say I'm a certain I'm a person I'm a certain way you know me and as a lot to a certain way.

[1476] And it happened to me. I know I have a friend that happened to him.

[1477] He was my best friend and he's dead now unfortunately.

[1478] He wasn't a certain way.

[1479] But he got a car accident.

[1480] I remember after his car accident, he changed, man. He was not the same guy.

[1481] He became a little bit paranoid.

[1482] He had some kind of dementia.

[1483] Yeah.

[1484] So the person I knew was kind of dead.

[1485] Yes.

[1486] But it was physically the DNA, everything was the same.

[1487] But the person is different.

[1488] So when you say the soul, the mind, it would be really not materialistic, that would not have changed.

[1489] But his personality was completely different.

[1490] He had the short temper.

[1491] I remember he had a girlfriend.

[1492] He was extremely jealous.

[1493] He was starting to beat her and stuff.

[1494] It was completely different, completely different person that you knew before.

[1495] So if they say the mind, your brain is materialism.

[1496] but your mind is not.

[1497] So if you have an accident, like my friend, I mean, you have some sort of dementia or something, that's mean if it's not materialism, it would not happen.

[1498] It's possible, but it's also possible.

[1499] It's hard to say.

[1500] And you have the explanation that are like, oh, subjective and objective.

[1501] If I pinch you, you say I'm hurt.

[1502] There is no objective way for me to tell you that you really hurt.

[1503] Because even if I, go where I open your brain, I can't see it.

[1504] You know, the only way I know is because of my experience, but it can't prove it.

[1505] Right.

[1506] It's like, fucking, who knows?

[1507] Who really knows?

[1508] I don't know.

[1509] It's also possible that when you think of consciousness or the soul or the, what's going on in the mind, that is, it's expressed through the body.

[1510] And then what the body is damaged, that consciousness is damaged as well, because your consciousness is now being expressed through a lack of certain hormones, your mind itself, the very brain, might be an antenna or something that uses consciousness in order to move through life.

[1511] But that consciousness is independent from the brain and that the brain being damaged is just expressing consciousness in a fucked up way.

[1512] Because you've got dementia or Parkinson's or what other neurological disorders that people have, but at the center of it, it's still the same thing.

[1513] It's one of the things that people say when they have, like Bahamah Ali.

[1514] Let's say you die, you finish.

[1515] The best out of you will, you mean will still exist?

[1516] Not necessarily the best out of you, but you independent of the body.

[1517] These are just theories.

[1518] Okay, okay.

[1519] But there are people that believe that consciousness is non -local and that the body actually is just like an antenna for your consciousness.

[1520] Now, if the body is damaged, if your hormonal balance is all fucked up, your neurological system is out of whack.

[1521] you.

[1522] Like one of the things that Muhammad Ali said when they were talking to him about his Parkinson's is that he's still in there.

[1523] He just can't express himself because his body had been damaged by so many fights and so many hard sparring sessions and so many blows to the head that he wasn't capable of expressing himself, but inside he was still the same guy.

[1524] But he was trapped.

[1525] His consciousness was trapped in a broken body.

[1526] I see.

[1527] It's like a prison, like a, like a locomotion system.

[1528] And, you know, when you think about CTE, like a lot of these football players, like, you know, that Aaron Hernandez guy that was a murderer, and he was a football player, and they examined his brain after he was dead.

[1529] And, like, this is one of the worst cases of CTE we've ever seen after he killed himself in prison.

[1530] They examined him.

[1531] And the idea is that your consciousness is supposed to be expressing itself through a healthy brain, right?

[1532] through healthy hormones, a healthy endocrine system, a healthy neurological system, and that in that way, your brain can, your consciousness can express itself and do so without any physical hindrances.

[1533] Then there's also psychological hindrances.

[1534] Yeah, but what is LT?

[1535] Yeah, but what age are you LT?

[1536] The moment you start breathing and living, there's some sort of change that occur in your body.

[1537] Yeah, sure.

[1538] So what is the LT state?

[1539] That's a good question.

[1540] 12, one years old, and one years old, you're not the same person at 15, and 15, you're not the same as 30.

[1541] I think it's...

[1542] 30, you're not the same as 60.

[1543] I think they're not, there's no independence.

[1544] I think they're all connected.

[1545] And I think that, you know, the physical vitality of the body is important.

[1546] The vitality of the mind's important.

[1547] But I think there's probably something, you know, when the first time I saw a real dead body, like up close, was my grandfather.

[1548] my grandfather died and uh you know went to the funeral they had the open casket it was very strange but one thing that i realized when i was standing there i'm like he's not even there he's not here like he's not here this this body i mean this might have been where my grandfather lived he might have lived in this body but he's not here anymore yeah it was a very strange feeling to me because it was like internally i realized i'm like i i get the fact that he's dead and he's not moving that this is his body he's been embalmed and they put makeup on you and all this weird shit But it was also this feeling like he's not there.

[1549] He's gone.

[1550] You know, but what is the body then?

[1551] Is the body a vehicle for whatever you are?

[1552] Yeah.

[1553] You say, maybe one day will know my, maybe we won't.

[1554] It's very, it's a really, it's one of those philosophical questions.

[1555] It's conceptual.

[1556] It's also, you know, people have their ideological reasons for believing one thing or another.

[1557] There's people that are nihilists that think, you know, it's over, when it's over.

[1558] And then you go to black and that's it.

[1559] You're done.

[1560] End of story.

[1561] Nothing happens when you're dead.

[1562] Well, you don't know that because you've never died.

[1563] We can't know.

[1564] Yeah, it's a real, it's a real open -ended questions.

[1565] I'm on the same page as you for this.

[1566] I do not know.

[1567] Yeah.

[1568] A lot of idea has been presented to me. A lot of the idea I rejected because it didn't make sense to me logically.

[1569] Like the sense, like all the, do you believe in free will?

[1570] Right.

[1571] That's a good one.

[1572] If my phone is there and it falls, there's a reason why it falls, the asymmetry of phone make it fall maybe i i blow me it's a reason i won't say my phone only fell but if you if you do something wrong for example you kill someone you just not decide like kill someone like there's a reason why you do something and if you go back the reason there's a reason of the reason of the reason it's like it's like a domino yep yep sometimes i'm thinking i'm like man it make me think like i have no choice.

[1573] Right.

[1574] Like, oh, you're world champion.

[1575] You work for it.

[1576] I said, yeah, but I have no, no, I don't deserve any props because I have no choice.

[1577] Right.

[1578] You are the product of your life experiences.

[1579] To me, that's what makes the most sense for me. People think I'm crazy, but I have an argument with a lot, sometimes like a lot of religious people, they say, oh, yeah, this or that, but like, I, I, that's why I believe.

[1580] I believe sometimes, like, it doesn't mean I don't believe in God or I don't, It doesn't mean I'm different, like in my belief, but I believe I have no choice.

[1581] If I do something, I have no choice.

[1582] But you do have ethics and you do have morals and you do make decisions.

[1583] So that's where it gets slippery.

[1584] I don't think I made a decision.

[1585] No?

[1586] And then it was a cause to that decision.

[1587] There's a cause to everything.

[1588] And by definition, there is a cause.

[1589] There is no free will.

[1590] Well, it's a good argument.

[1591] I've heard it.

[1592] I mean, Sam Harris argued it to me the best and made me really reconfirmed.

[1593] consider.

[1594] And Robert Sapolsky, who is a famous scientist and deals with a lot of the functions of the human brain in terms of like our motivations for things, his take was that in the future that will be, you know, when we look back today at like people that burn people for witchcraft and stuff like that, how foolish they are.

[1595] Yeah.

[1596] He thinks we will have the same reaction to people judging and punishing people based on their behaviors.

[1597] I agree 100%.

[1598] Wow.

[1599] Just look, go back in time, back in the, I think it's ancient Greek.

[1600] The men that were teaching knowledge to kids in exchange of sexual favor.

[1601] You know, it happened.

[1602] Now we call that pedophilia.

[1603] It's wrong.

[1604] We put the people in prison.

[1605] But back in the day, it was normal.

[1606] You know what I mean?

[1607] Sometimes our conception of good and bad or choice, you know, that I choose, like I don't.

[1608] I don't know, man. I don't believe there is good and bad.

[1609] I don't believe the choice.

[1610] I have a hard time to believe I choose something.

[1611] Well, there's certainly things that you think are more positive than negative, right?

[1612] Like being kind to people and friendly to people's more positive than being, you know, a murderer.

[1613] Yeah.

[1614] Let's say you have a gun.

[1615] Let's say you want to kill someone.

[1616] Hey, George, can you borrow me a gun, please?

[1617] I was like, oh, yeah, I'm nice, a nice gesture.

[1618] I will give you a gun.

[1619] but then you go kill someone.

[1620] So is my gesture is nice or is not nice?

[1621] Good, bad.

[1622] It all depends on all you see, Joe.

[1623] It all depends on why you're giving the person the gun, right?

[1624] Hey, this guy raped a little kid.

[1625] Give me your gun.

[1626] I'm going to go kill him.

[1627] It's like, oh, yeah, I'll do a good thing and I'll let you borrow my gun so you can go kill this bad person.

[1628] Okay, then my argument is, okay, you want to go.

[1629] You said, George, give me your gun.

[1630] I want to go kill this guy.

[1631] I said, okay, I go give you the gun.

[1632] This guy is Adolf Hitler.

[1633] You go kill him.

[1634] It's a good thing.

[1635] or bad things to certain people would be good so certain people will be bad it depends what's good bad yeah so I sometimes I'm thinking like man all this we who knows we don't know we freaking don't know man that's like the interesting thing about life is that there's a lot of things in life that are messy there's not there's not a simple answer yeah yeah so we have choices it's like a pool game yeah if mathematically I can like I thought add this talk with Ferris, and Ferris is very smart, he has a degree in philosophy.

[1636] It's like fighting.

[1637] You fight a guy.

[1638] You study his pattern.

[1639] You know, like when you do this, he do that.

[1640] When you do this, he do that.

[1641] So if you do this, you think he will do that, but maybe he won't because the environment has changed since then.

[1642] But you know, it's the same thing.

[1643] So if you play a pool, if I can measure the strength that I hit the ball, ricochet on certain ball.

[1644] If I can measure everything precisely, I will know where all the balls are ending up on the table.

[1645] You agree with that, right?

[1646] If I know all the data of the universe and I, boom, I can predict.

[1647] Do you agree with that?

[1648] It would be the same thing with you.

[1649] If I know you by heart, I know your genetic background.

[1650] I know all the data of the universe.

[1651] It's impossible to know.

[1652] If I would know, I would know specifically what would you do exactly right now.

[1653] If I do that, you will know, you know what I mean, how you would exactly react or what you're about to say to me. It's impossible.

[1654] So that's why I don't believe in free will.

[1655] I believe it's all, it could be measurable.

[1656] It's impossible to measure.

[1657] Right.

[1658] And then when you see people that are doing good things and achieving good things, it motivates you to do good things and achieve things.

[1659] And that also changes all the people around you and makes them move in a certain direction as well.

[1660] And if you look at certain cultures that are extremely negative and crime -bridden and fucked up, they produce extremely negative crime -bridden, fucked -up people.

[1661] Yeah, it's like there's all this going on there.

[1662] Is it the fault of those people?

[1663] And that's one of the things that people really criticize, and I think rightly so, about, like, hardcore right -wing people that think everyone should be responsible for their own actions.

[1664] I don't care if you grow up in a crime -bidden neighborhood.

[1665] You stop doing crime and you be a good person, and that's not an easy task.

[1666] The brain has no way to know if an information is relevant or not.

[1667] If you grew up in a Democrat system with Democrat value, you'll be, if you're smart, you'll be a smarter Democrat.

[1668] If you grew up in this same, but in a Republicanism, you'll be a smarter Republican.

[1669] However, maybe there are things in your environment that will make you switch, you know, that I don't.

[1670] Maybe you hate your dad.

[1671] You're like, fuck him, I'm going to be a Democrat.

[1672] Exactly.

[1673] We don't know.

[1674] but your brain has no way so sometimes there's a show on TV like evil genius the guy oh he how comes he's so smart but he's an evil like like that comes to to what we talk about it we don't good bad there's no good bad there is no that's when I fight like I fight the guys like Nick Diaz or if I swear it's true let's say I drive my car and I see he has a problem with his car man I would stop to help him like even though he was not nice or whoever it is, I will do it because for me, it's, I don't think, you know, it's not that I'm nice, it's the way I think, you know, the, it's who you are.

[1675] Yeah, exactly, I have no choice to be like I am.

[1676] It is what it is, you know.

[1677] I've gotten better at that as I've gotten older, better at forgiving people and not holding grudges and not being upset at people, and if I see someone that I had a problem with in the past, just give them a hug, you know, I don't care.

[1678] Yeah.

[1679] I think it's, it's not healthy to carry around grudges.

[1680] And it makes you feel good sometimes too.

[1681] Yeah, it feels real good.

[1682] And it feels real bad to keep that hate and anger inside of you.

[1683] It festers away.

[1684] And you think of, well, if he says this, then I'm going to say that.

[1685] Fuck him.

[1686] And he shouldn't have done this.

[1687] Well, I shouldn't have done that because he did this.

[1688] And you have these little stupid arguments in your head instead of just saying hi and just being friendly or saying you're sorry or saying, hey, man, I don't have a problem with you.

[1689] There was a guy that a few years ago, I drove my car on the street in Montreal.

[1690] in the evening, I see a tall guy coming at me, and he asked for, he beg for money, put down my window, this guy, I swear, it's true story, he's a guy that used to bully me in school.

[1691] Whoa.

[1692] I say, I don't want to say his name, but I say, hey, wait a second, I park my name.

[1693] I park my car, park the car, go talk to him, and say, what the hell you're doing here, man?

[1694] He's like, and he thought I would be angry, because when he see me, he saw his reaction, Like, shoot, like, now I'm world champion, you know?

[1695] Like, I can beat him up, you know?

[1696] Back in the day, he was, like, three years older than me, was bigger.

[1697] He was beating me up in the bus, this guy.

[1698] Now he see me, he's like kind of a scare.

[1699] I get out of my car.

[1700] You don't know, he don't know if he should run or not.

[1701] I go to him, I say, what you do here, man?

[1702] It's like, you're, you, it's like, yeah, I know, but things doesn't go well for me, you know.

[1703] I'm like, I'm like, all right.

[1704] It's like, man, you're a tall guy, you're good looking.

[1705] It's like, what you're doing here, man?

[1706] It's like, I give him what I have left on me, you know.

[1707] Like, I don't remember, like, a hundred something, you know.

[1708] I give him.

[1709] I say, get out of here, man. It's like, you're full of potential.

[1710] It's like, get out of here, man. When I was young and when I wanted to be like you, you're a tall guy, man, you're good -looking.

[1711] It's like, full of potential.

[1712] So he, so I shake his eyes, like, no problem.

[1713] Then he said, thank you, George.

[1714] You get out, then I don't hear about him.

[1715] Few weeks, few months later, I go to my apartment.

[1716] for having dinner.

[1717] Then my dad said, hey, you know who come to the house a few days ago?

[1718] This guy.

[1719] I'm like, yeah, I met him.

[1720] He said, yeah, he said you met him in the street.

[1721] But now he said, he came to thank you.

[1722] He came.

[1723] He wanted to talk to you.

[1724] But I said, you don't live here.

[1725] And I didn't want to give you a number.

[1726] But he said, he said, look, he said, George, he talked to me. And he said, he changed my life.

[1727] Now I have a job.

[1728] And I feel good.

[1729] I just wanted to say thank you to him.

[1730] And it feels so good.

[1731] Just when I met him and I didn't get angry at him, because it was still there.

[1732] He did very bad stuff to me when I was young, but when I see him, it made me feel good.

[1733] I can't have a relief now.

[1734] And this guy when I was young, he was beating me up in the bus all the time.

[1735] It was ridiculized me. I had like, I did ask pens that you can tight like this.

[1736] It was like taken off.

[1737] So I was like an underwear in front of everybody in front of the girl.

[1738] He was beating me up all the time.

[1739] And he was stronger than me. He was like three, four years older than me. It was tall and strong guy.

[1740] He's an hockey player back in a day.

[1741] And I couldn't beat him.

[1742] Even with martial art, he was always stronger than me. He hurt me a lot back in a day.

[1743] So my dad one time, I got beat up in the bus.

[1744] I told him, because I came back with a black eye.

[1745] One time in my life, I told my dad what happened.

[1746] I never said anything, but I said my dad to say, yeah, he's a guy in the bus.

[1747] He beat me up.

[1748] He said, I tell him the name of the guy.

[1749] So my dad, what he did, he found out where I'm from countryside so everybody knows who everybody lives he goes to the house I can talk to the dad he says listen can you tell your son to stop hitting my son in the bus because he need to be focused on the school and the dad when my dad came back he said hey I want to talk to his dad he's going to stop so he said his dad was like drinking and stuff and he was beating the shit out of his son so the way this guy learned to communicate through his dad was beating him up he was drunk and beating him up that's the way he was communicating with me he was beating me up because he learned the same way from his dad to communicate so I was just happened to be at the right the wrong time at the right time in his life at the perfect you know I was the guy that was getting beat so we say good and bad he was not a bad person to my version of life from my perspective he was a terrible person back then he was terrible I wanted to kill him he made my school time miserable man I was humiliated all the time I was getting beat up and I was very proud person so I used to to go fight him all the time because I was proud and at one point I fought him so many times he said oh this guy is completely insane I stopped bothering him because I was never never giving up, even though I was getting beat up all the time.

[1750] But to my own eyes, he was a bad person.

[1751] But through his eyes, it was a different story.

[1752] And to his father was a different story.

[1753] Everybody was a different story.

[1754] Just to say that when I met him, that what we talk about, it feels so good.

[1755] Just to meet him in the street and make kind of a piece and give him money.

[1756] Like, yeah, you beat me up, you didn't.

[1757] But you know what?

[1758] Even though you did that, I give you the money.

[1759] And now it made me feel like I'm...

[1760] kind of a revenge better than a revenge it makes me feel like yeah man you see without me you wouldn't have nothing maybe to sleep or eat tonight so i give it to you i still give it to you if you do that to me that make me feel much better than if i would like beat them up yeah and don't you think that maybe that guy and him doing that to you was one of the reasons why you became a champion because you you got into martial arts very heavily because of being yeah because i was beating up in school.

[1761] Maybe it was.

[1762] But he was not the only guy that was beating me up.

[1763] All his friend.

[1764] But he was kind of the guy that was all the girl liked and he was like the taller, stronger guy.

[1765] So he was kind of the alpha guy at the time.

[1766] Maybe it was an influence.

[1767] Like I said, I don't believe only one thing influenced me, but it's many things, many cause that make that happen.

[1768] But maybe it's one of the cause, yes.

[1769] Yeah.

[1770] That's crazy.

[1771] I could be wrong.

[1772] I could be right.

[1773] But that's what, That's my philosophy in life.

[1774] That's how I think.

[1775] So everybody says, oh, George, you're a true martial artist.

[1776] You're a good guy.

[1777] That's why I thank you.

[1778] I don't have the time to explain to them everything I just told you.

[1779] Right, right, right.

[1780] But that's how I think.

[1781] When they say you're a good guy, I was like, thank you.

[1782] I'm not a fucking good guy.

[1783] I'm me, I'm myself.

[1784] I am the, yeah, I am.

[1785] But it makes me happy when people say that.

[1786] But you are a good guy and you try to be a good guy.

[1787] I try to be a good guy because that's who you are.

[1788] Yeah, I try to be, but that's who you are.

[1789] I try to be good.

[1790] good model, good role model.

[1791] I think it's important for me through my value that have been raised, you know.

[1792] But doesn't mean, like, I don't like other guys.

[1793] I like the guys that I like the most to watch their fight, they're not the good guy.

[1794] My favorite fighters to watch are not the good guys.

[1795] Charles Sonan, I like to watch him.

[1796] Nick Diaz, I like to watch Nick Diaz.

[1797] I like Connor McGregor when he fights.

[1798] I like him.

[1799] The good guys are boring, man. They're boring guys.

[1800] They make me fall asleep.

[1801] I like the drama.

[1802] I like, even though I don't act like it, I like it.

[1803] I know it's completely contradictory.

[1804] I love the Tito Ortiz back in the D. It was my favorite.

[1805] Man, Tito Ortiz, man, he was amazing.

[1806] Came with his flag, like bad guy, man. I loved it, man. Star Wars, I love the Sitt Lord.

[1807] They're much more charismatic than the Jedi.

[1808] Are you kidding me?

[1809] Jedi, the new Karatea, the new Karatea.

[1810] I watched the first episode.

[1811] I'm hoping Daniel San get beat up all the time, you know.

[1812] Johnny Lawrence, I hope he smashed his head.

[1813] He didn't do it.

[1814] So, you know what I mean?

[1815] Like, that make me a bad person?

[1816] No, it's just, like, you know, it's different.

[1817] The way, that's how you see things, you know?

[1818] Right.

[1819] When you see a lion chasing the gazelle, do you root for the gazelle?

[1820] I hope the lion catches the gazelle.

[1821] Yes, exactly.

[1822] Exactly.

[1823] Is that good or bad?

[1824] Like, people, and don't eat meat, it's not natural.

[1825] Right.

[1826] It's like, what is natural?

[1827] Well, what is not natural, man?

[1828] Yeah, it's an interesting conversation.

[1829] When you talk about this, people think, oh, St. Pierre is just, you just get hit in the head too many times, but it's just not.

[1830] Now, my English is good.

[1831] I can communicate it through it with you.

[1832] Like, it's easier.

[1833] I feel more comfortable.

[1834] And it is what it is.

[1835] But that's why I like it, because you're a person, too.

[1836] I'm kind of a big fan of you, too.

[1837] And I know you.

[1838] I didn't know that in the beginning when I first to know you, but now I know that you guys.

[1839] get interested in the same thing that I am interested.

[1840] And what I like about you, Joe, is you don't give a damn.

[1841] You do whatever, you have no bus.

[1842] You do whatever you want, whenever you want with who you want.

[1843] And me, I respect that.

[1844] It's kind of a code.

[1845] You have your own code that you do, and I respect that.

[1846] I like human being like this.

[1847] I like to be with human being like this.

[1848] Guys, I have no code.

[1849] I don't like this.

[1850] I don't like.

[1851] Me, my circle of friend is short.

[1852] You know, I have a few guys I like.

[1853] I keep the, I'm diplomatic with a lot of people, but I'm not friend with a lot of people.

[1854] I'm diplomatic because I have to be for my work, for my business, for the person I am, and I don't like confrontations.

[1855] I'm diplomatic, but doesn't mean I like everybody, you know.

[1856] Well, I think your relationships that you have with people, the exchanges you have with people, it's very important to keep only positive, influential, strong people around you because you learn and you grow from those people.

[1857] They give you fuel.

[1858] When you're around people who are inspirational or doing interesting things, who live their life by a code, who are ambitious, who succeed, who try hard, difficult things, those are the people that inspire and give you energy.

[1859] And I feel better around them.

[1860] I feel like I get energy from them versus people that are always making excuses and people that are always falling short, people that fail all the time and people that complain all the time.

[1861] Those people are the opposite.

[1862] And those people, they take away from you.

[1863] and you're around them, you're just like, ugh, I just got to get away from this guy.

[1864] However, it doesn't mean that the good people that you have in your life will always be the good people for different situations.

[1865] Right.

[1866] I remember before a fight, my family is I stay the hell away from them.

[1867] I'm going to explain to you who are.

[1868] They eat their soup.

[1869] They look at me. Are you okay?

[1870] You feel good?

[1871] You're not sick, eh?

[1872] And before I fight, I need to feel like I'm going to war with my soldier.

[1873] I need to feel that what I'm doing, it's normal.

[1874] Even though he's not.

[1875] So when I hang out with my family, they have a normal life.

[1876] So what I do, they see me like an outcast.

[1877] Like, man, he's completely insane.

[1878] He's about to go fight in a cage.

[1879] You can die.

[1880] Oh, my God.

[1881] And I feel that.

[1882] love me so my family before the fight stay away from them I stay away from a lot of the people that I love that are my circle of friend or real people I love like family and I bring back closer to people like like Ferraz John the fighters guys even guys that are maybe not as much as my friend they like you understand the mentality yes so it make me feel normal it make me feel strong because we go in war.

[1883] When you go in war, you don't bring your wife, you're a kid, your family, you bring the people that you go in war with.

[1884] You know what I mean?

[1885] It's very important for me. So it's depending what's going on, I believe, good and bad people, you know?

[1886] It's not always good and not always bad, depending on their context, you know?

[1887] Yeah.

[1888] No, that makes a lot of sense.

[1889] That makes a lot of sense.

[1890] Especially them being nervous about your fight, like being nervous.

[1891] That energy is contagious.

[1892] Pro, I'm already nervous like it is.

[1893] I don't want to be more nervous.

[1894] And I hate, I hate, like, I hate fighting.

[1895] People say, no, you don't.

[1896] I really do.

[1897] And I know you, maybe a lot of people don't believe me, but I'm going to try and explain the best I can.

[1898] In every jobs, there is no perfect job.

[1899] Do you agree?

[1900] There's no perfect job that you like every, everything about.

[1901] it's impossible my job as a professional athlete and mixed martial art on 365 days I fight normally when I was very active I used to fight twice a year approximately not more than that I never wanted to more than that because I wanted to stretch especially when you want to stretch when you're a champion because it's better for for advertising the the also for longevity and everything so more time more money more business wise and everything and longer So we're about twice a year.

[1902] In 265 days, there's two days that I hate the most.

[1903] It's the day that I'm fighting.

[1904] It's freaking unbearable.

[1905] The feeling of uncertainty that if you don't know if you're going to be humiliated, you're going to be the victor, we're going to be the loser.

[1906] I care so much about it that is freaking unbearable.

[1907] As much as I try to dismiss it, it's unbearable.

[1908] However, I like the fact that I'm a free man, I'm my own bus.

[1909] I do whatever whatever I have.

[1910] I have access to certain things, like VIP stuff that most people don't.

[1911] My quality of life, the money, I didn't have it before now.

[1912] I do.

[1913] I love my job.

[1914] I'm very happy about my job.

[1915] But there is a thing about my job that I hate the most is fighting.

[1916] I freaking hate.

[1917] I love the study of fighting.

[1918] I love the science of it.

[1919] How I'm the tactical, the physical.

[1920] I love to train.

[1921] I love to walk.

[1922] in a room, I feel strong.

[1923] I know if something happened, I'm the man, even though it's an illusion because with a bullet and nobody's faster than this.

[1924] But I like that lifestyle.

[1925] I do it for a lifestyle for what it is.

[1926] I don't do it for the fight.

[1927] I freaking hate to fight.

[1928] I had this talk with Rari McDonnell at one point.

[1929] I was like, hey, why are you like fighting?

[1930] Oh, I guess I like to fight.

[1931] So you like to fight?

[1932] It's like, fuck, no, I ain't all like to fight.

[1933] And everybody in the room turned around, they look at me like I'm crazy.

[1934] I'm like, you guys are all crazy.

[1935] I like to fight in a cage for a million of people, maybe get humiliated, knocked out, or die.

[1936] Are you crazy?

[1937] I don't like to fight.

[1938] Are you nuts?

[1939] I like to win.

[1940] When you win, the feeling is unbelievable.

[1941] It's so good that it's worth this.

[1942] Yeah.

[1943] But I hate it, man. Do you hate the day of the fight up until the fight?

[1944] But once the fight starts, how do you feel?

[1945] Once it starts?

[1946] no no no no when it starts it's gone all this is gone all the anticipation's gone I like I hate the day the buildup the day you're dead and the closer get to the day I start I love it but I start to hate it more it's like a build a hate that build up like a bubble of hate and by the time that it's time to freaking walk out the like the many second that is time to walk out and like Bert Watson used to be the guy used to kick out the door St. Pierre, you're ready Ah!

[1947] No, he's not there anymore unfortunately.

[1948] I used to like Bertie used to give me the...

[1949] We're rolling.

[1950] We're rolling, bobo!

[1951] So I used...

[1952] It's like a bubble that built up in my stomach that hate, hate, hate, hate, and I freaking hate hate.

[1953] I'm even in the locker room before the fight and I fucking ate it.

[1954] My last fight, I...

[1955] It's crazy.

[1956] I saw my friend Amen got knocked out and I go at the dinner everybody's like dead people like this and I see something is wrong I say what's wrong they told themselves before I get in the room don't tell them that amen lost don't tell him he's going to affect him so I get in the room and my friend Eddie who wasn't there when they when they tell each other first thing he says to me he's like in the room is like hey amen lost I'm like oh he's okay physically he's like yeah it's okay and everybody's like holy shit so amen lost I remember Joe DeFi lost, Mickey Gall lost.

[1957] So I go in my locker room.

[1958] I see one guy with the ice bag.

[1959] The other guy is all fucked up like this.

[1960] And I'm like, man, all my locker room lose, man. Holy shit.

[1961] I freaking hate this job, man. Then I'm thinking, it's like everybody tried to make me take like, oh, it's going to be good.

[1962] As one of my agents, like, don't worry, he's going to be fine.

[1963] It's like, it's okay, man. Don't talk to me like this.

[1964] I choose to be here.

[1965] I'm a warrior and say go sit now It's got to be fine Like I want to be a warrior I don't want to be like Yeah Oh it's gonna be fine Don't worry How the fuck do you know They go like this Yeah Yeah Like when I found my news The first time They go like this guy They grab me like Don't worry It's got to be fine They look each other Like He's funny by a dude He slams He slam everybody On his head Holy shit I'm feeling like I'm going to Like a cemetery Like someone just like So I'm in the locker room, everybody freaking lose.

[1966] I'm like, damn.

[1967] Then I'm like, shake it up.

[1968] I go in the bathroom by myself.

[1969] I go, I go look myself in the mirror.

[1970] And that's why I do before the fight.

[1971] I use James Lange theory.

[1972] James Lange is a, they say that the spirit can dictate your mind.

[1973] You say you're thirsty.

[1974] Your mind tells I'm thirsty.

[1975] You grab the water and your spirit can dictate your mind, but your mind can dictate your spirit.

[1976] So I go in the bathroom, I close the door.

[1977] people think I go to bathroom to piss or whatever but I don't close the door and I say now I see a lot of negative shit I go in front of the mirror I say to myself I say I say try to convince myself like a kid you know like I'm the greatest I'm the strongest and I think of it looking at me and I'm this I'm beautiful I'm strong I'm this and I'm faster I'm stronger I'm gonna win it's like these young guy they lose but I'm gonna show them the way to do it you know maybe they fell but I won't.

[1978] I'm going to show everybody how it should be done, man. So I come back in the gym with the glory to show them that I achieve it, and that's how it should be done.

[1979] They're going to follow me, man. So I try to boost myself, man. Open the door, go back.

[1980] I still hate my job, but I'm a different person than when I get in the door.

[1981] So I play with mind games like this with myself all the time.

[1982] It's stuff that I try to change your attitude.

[1983] And it's very important for a fighter because, the confidence is a key for a fighter.

[1984] Some guy, they do stuff very basic in a fight, but they do it.

[1985] When they do it, they do it so good, and they believe in it.

[1986] They don't hesitate, and you have no room for hesitation in a fight.

[1987] You go 100%.

[1988] And when you go 100 % with confidence, that's when the magic can happen.

[1989] You know what I mean?

[1990] If you have the skills, but you don't have the confidence, as John says that, you have the skills and you have no confidence, It's like having money and you don't spend it.

[1991] That's what John DeNanard told me. But if you have the confidence without the skills, it's not good too.

[1992] It's like a dream that cannot be achieved.

[1993] You don't have any way together.

[1994] But if you have both, that's when the magic can happen.

[1995] I remember when John says that to me all the time.

[1996] So you have the skill and you have the confidence.

[1997] And confidence is not a choice.

[1998] Confidence is not a state of mind.

[1999] It's a choice, man. You can build it in your head.

[2000] When something bad happened, you build it.

[2001] and work, try to work on your person to build it.

[2002] This is something you can work on yourself, you know?

[2003] And that's why I've been doing.

[2004] Yeah, it's like all these other things you're saying.

[2005] There's no one answer to how all this is done.

[2006] All those pieces have to come together.

[2007] All those pieces have to be together in order for you to be able to just go out there and do it.

[2008] But I love the fact that you say that you don't like it.

[2009] I freaking hate it, man. I hate it probably even in the locker room when I got there, when I got there that night, like every other night, I'm finding, ask my agent, ask even Ferris.

[2010] I always tell him, I look at him, I was like, so what the hell I'm doing here?

[2011] What the, I'm so stupid.

[2012] Oh, my God.

[2013] And we always laugh at it because now it's become at the point that I know it.

[2014] People are like, with experience, do you become more courageous?

[2015] Do you become, how do you say, do you lose the fear?

[2016] You don't lose the fear, you never lose the fear.

[2017] You learn how to deal with it.

[2018] You accept it Before I did not accept it In my earlier fight Like Matthews My first time I found my youth I was fighting this monument This oh my God I didn't sleep for the week Man I came like a freaking zombie I was like oh my God Like even in the start down I couldn't even look at him I look up like this It was like I couldn't imagine myself I knew I was going to lose The confidence was not there I have the skill was not the confidence So it's very important the confidence, you know, for a fighter confidence.

[2019] It's very important.

[2020] That's why you have guys in the gym that are very good in the gym.

[2021] They get into a fight.

[2022] They're a shitty fighter.

[2023] They're king in the gym.

[2024] They go in a fight.

[2025] All that stuff crush them.

[2026] You have guys, they're normal in the gym.

[2027] I've seen guys in the UFC, they fight in UFC.

[2028] They're freaking bad.

[2029] I can't say for the respect, but I spar with them.

[2030] And they suck.

[2031] When they fight, they do stuff that it's amazing.

[2032] I'm like, I didn't even know it.

[2033] That wasn't his repertoire of technique that he just did a catat -gat -a -gat -me or something.

[2034] I'm like, man, it's amazing.

[2035] I didn't even know he knew that.

[2036] Right.

[2037] Because of confidence, man. And when you have both the skin and the confidence, like you see like John Jones, man, his magic, man. You go there, pa -p -p -pap -past spinning freaking elbows and stuff.

[2038] Like, he don't hesitate he goes, man. Yeah, Rodriguez is amazing.

[2039] Like, bam, man, and stuff like that.

[2040] It's just beautiful to watch, you know.

[2041] And I really like that.

[2042] The new generation, man, is.

[2043] scary as hell oh my god what which fight excites you more Connor or Kabib those are the two fights if I was gonna make a fight for you right right now right now it's like the big fight the thing is with Kabibi called me out physically now it's not good time for me I need to weigh a little bit however I feel the 155 division now is Connor is the champion there's Ferguson but I think Ferguson is out and and there's other guys too but there's the two guy Connor and Kabib but Kabib now I think he's that champion but he need to fight maybe the corner or or to be like The real champion he's the real child I don't like to say the real not champion well it's a problem and my opinion on the belt is really different than most people think I don't even think it should be a belt you know I think it should be fight you know but it is what it is I agree with you on that make fun fight there's no belt like I said You cannot be the strongest man in the world.

[2044] It's an illusion.

[2045] The belt, it claims, elevate someone like he thinks he's a god, he's the strongest man in the...

[2046] Now he's not.

[2047] What's a good marketing tool?

[2048] That eight -ranked guy that can beat you, but maybe he cannot beat the seven other in front of you.

[2049] You know what I mean?

[2050] The six other.

[2051] So, I don't know how he could be done.

[2052] It's bad to criticize a system if you don't suggest any alternative.

[2053] I know it's bad what I do, but it's...

[2054] Well, the problem is the systems in flux anyway, right?

[2055] Because Tony was the interim champion, and he didn't do anything to lose it.

[2056] All he did is fall down while doing press obligations to tear his knee apart.

[2057] Then you have Connor, who just didn't defend it, and then they stripped him.

[2058] And so you're going to give it to Khabib, but he's fighting Al Aiaquinta, who ordinarily wouldn't be fighting for the title.

[2059] So why is he have the potential to fight for the title?

[2060] It doesn't make any sense.

[2061] They just had to do it for this event because they had this big event in Brooklyn and they had to have a champion.

[2062] So they decided this is how they're gonna do it.

[2063] But you gotta be careful when you make decisions like that.

[2064] Because you, in many people's eyes, in the eyes of the purists, you delegitimize.

[2065] They lose value.

[2066] Yes.

[2067] I agree 100 %.

[2068] He lose value too, especially like what I did make lose value too.

[2069] Fight and drinks left, fight Bespin left.

[2070] They freaking hate my guts.

[2071] That's why I hate it.

[2072] I don't think so though because I think.

[2073] It's not good for the brand It's not good and I know it's not good I'm not stupid, I realize it But I had no choice man I go back there Not in condition, you know what I mean?

[2074] Yeah, but I think it all worked out Robbie Lawler won the title And then Robbie Lawler lost the title The Tyrone Woodley Nobody doesn't think that Tyrone Woodley Is the legitimate champion Because you retired No, I mean, it's a clear path It makes sense No, no, I understand The same thing Like I said, it's not WWWI man I have to do what is the best for me And I don't regret my decision I regret that I stayed too long I should have retired maybe take my first stop after Diaz because Diaz was the fight the big fight and you know what I mean it was the main guy you know to fight then after I should but there's always a guy Joe that's the thing there's always another freaking guy that's the way this sport you know we always believe that after that wall it would be no wall but no man it's always another another another another another another and then I realize that And every fight are more expected than other and are bigger than other.

[2075] And it is what it is, man. It is what it is.

[2076] It's a hard, very hard life mentally.

[2077] Like, depending on you wire, psychologically, for me, it was a lot to take.

[2078] It's a lot to take for me. I have a theory about that.

[2079] One of the reasons why it's a lot to take is because you're smart.

[2080] I think smart people, they entertain all the possibilities.

[2081] They think about all the possibilities.

[2082] They're aware of all the variables.

[2083] I'm a thinker.

[2084] I think a lot.

[2085] Yes.

[2086] I mean, it's good because it's prepared you very well and it's made you this incredible martial artist but it also creates a lot of anxiety because you're aware of all the possibilities whereas a person who doesn't think that much is I'm just gonna go in there and fuck people up like that person might have an easier path to fight but they might also have a shorter limited potential because they're not aware of all the possibilities and they're not aware of all their flaws and not aware of all their strengths and weaknesses they just know what they've done that's worked and they just keep doing that.

[2087] And instead of developing this incredibly well -rounded game, they have a very, very limited game.

[2088] But that limited game works on some people.

[2089] I agree.

[2090] It's the sport in general, it's kind of not fair when you look at it.

[2091] Like, you look like Demetrius Johnson.

[2092] It's probably right now the best ever.

[2093] The best ever, yeah, I agree.

[2094] Like, man, when I talk about confidence and skills, man, what is the better guy than this?

[2095] what better guy than this Dominic Cruz Freaking amazing Man T .J. DeLesha That's one fight Look, I don't watch every fight I don't watch every fight because I'm not a fan of every fighter but if there's a fight that I will pay my home ticket to sit in front and fly myself is Dominic Dimitras Johnson against T .J. DeLesha Absolutely.

[2096] Man, they asked to be done this is has to be done crazy I agree I don't there's always things and factor that we don't know why it doesn't happen maybe we don't know everything unfortunately and yeah like like back in a day me and Anderson Silva is a lot of things why it didn't happen is there's stuff that people don't know that that back in a day I thought and then I wanted to take care of it didn't happen but there's this fight man is just crazy man sometimes it's sad in the sport like like you have a fight like mewether mewether paquiao and it did not happen it suck but it is what it is you know well i think that demetrius wants t j dillshaw to fight once at 125 pounds show that he can make the weight especially when he's dealing with this incredibly long win streak he's defended his title more than any other champion ever so he doesn't want someone to come along and break his win streak that doesn't even make the weight this as a i have thought about this because I've been in a similar situation this is a way to take care of this with the lawyers you write in the contract that if you don't make weight is no fight and the purse you make the guy paying you a purse not the UFC dealers show would take the purse give the purse you know what I mean yeah no I do but you need to be game enough to do it it's a freaking risk yeah yeah but I think Demetrius is worried that the UFC will pressure him into fighting TJ even if TJ doesn't make the weight.

[2097] So we have TJ misses his weight.

[2098] For sure, it will make him look bad in terms with the fan base and his brand.

[2099] I agree.

[2100] However, he can make it through the lawyer to the, if it's that much weight difference, there's no fight.

[2101] You know, there's always fights, man, Joe, there's something I've learned.

[2102] Fight can be negotiated the way you want.

[2103] I can negotiate a fight like depending the laws.

[2104] Okay, I want you to wear pink speedos when I fight you.

[2105] It's in the contract.

[2106] You have to wear a pink speedos.

[2107] I want you to wear a pink speedos.

[2108] I want you to wear this or any like a fifth rounder if it's everything could be done if it's written and by the law agreed.

[2109] Yeah.

[2110] It could be worked out.

[2111] I don't think to me Tristan.

[2112] I hope it will be worked out man. I'm saying this guys, let's do it man. Let's go.

[2113] Well I think right now the rematch is set for Cody Garbrandt versus T .J. Dilleshaw and Mighty Mouse just went through shoulder surgery.

[2114] Yeah.

[2115] So he's rehabilitating his shoulder.

[2116] That's going to take quite a while.

[2117] And there's Dominic Cruz doing the mix, man. It's amazing.

[2118] Yeah, yeah.

[2119] Like, he's amazing.

[2120] I like to watch him a lot.

[2121] Yeah, there's a lot of talent.

[2122] There's a lot of talent in the UFC right now.

[2123] The smaller guy are so much better than the bigger guy.

[2124] Like, I'm telling you the truth.

[2125] Like, if I would have the same size as this guy, man, I don't want to fight this guy, man. They would beat their shit out of me. Like, no, man. Well, they don't have gravity fucking with them.

[2126] I agree.

[2127] They don't have the gravity.

[2128] They don't have the size.

[2129] Yeah.

[2130] But they're so good, man. It's so good to watch them.

[2131] I'm learning a lot.

[2132] I watch a lot more of these guys than, in terms of, For learning, man. How beautiful was that armbar that Dimitras Johnson did?

[2133] A shit, man, it slammed to the arm bar in the air.

[2134] I practiced it now.

[2135] I practice it now.

[2136] I've been trading.

[2137] Yeah, I've learned from these guys, man. I learned from a lot of these guys.

[2138] DJ De LaSho, he switched, man, every time.

[2139] He's changing.

[2140] That's beautiful.

[2141] Dominic Cruz, man, his footwork.

[2142] Man, it's insane.

[2143] Have you ever trained with Dwayne, Ludwig?

[2144] Long time ago, yes.

[2145] I have a spar.

[2146] We train when I was.

[2147] I was in Denver helping Nathan Marquard for a fight.

[2148] I sparred, man, it was crazy.

[2149] I sport with Edwain, Nate.

[2150] Shane Carwin, too.

[2151] Oh, my God.

[2152] You spar with Shane Carwin?

[2153] Yeah, man. That was not smart, but I did, yeah.

[2154] Fuck that.

[2155] Yeah, yeah, that was not smart.

[2156] I was back in the day, maybe.

[2157] I should have been smart.

[2158] His hand is as big as your head.

[2159] Thanks God, I didn't get hurt, but oh, my God.

[2160] It was, yeah.

[2161] At one point, I remember in a training, he was in ground and pound him with another guy.

[2162] That is like, a light everywhere.

[2163] They knock him out.

[2164] Yeah.

[2165] He's a big monster, but that was stupid of my point.

[2166] When you're young, you do stupid shit.

[2167] I shouldn't not have done it.

[2168] Yeah, fuck that, huh?

[2169] What did he weigh back then?

[2170] He weighs, me or him?

[2171] The same, Carwin, he's maybe like...

[2172] 270?

[2173] Yeah, he's a big guy.

[2174] Fucking huge.

[2175] No, I know it.

[2176] That was stupid, but I did it, and then, you know, you move, man. You got a fucking move.

[2177] Yeah, man. Hit and run, man. Hit and run.

[2178] Don't try to stand in the pocket with this guy, And if you go for a takedown, you go in and out and then quick, man. Holy shit.

[2179] Your timing has to be perfect.

[2180] Yeah.

[2181] Fuck that.

[2182] You only one round?

[2183] Yeah, one round.

[2184] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[2185] As far as we went with everybody, you know.

[2186] And there's this thing, like, when we train with other guys, especially I went with, I train with everybody.

[2187] I train with John Jones.

[2188] I train with spark with everybody.

[2189] It's a good experience.

[2190] You know, and there's guys that spark.

[2191] like it's their life depend on it like it's a real fight there's other guys of course depending if you get ready for a fight or not and and if you you know depending the situation but there is when it's just aspiring for sparring that you're not in training camp or whatever you spar but there's still guys that I see younger guy they they they they they lose a lot of their their years of fighting in the gym because they fight in the gym and it's not good for your brain man yeah holy shit I never be a big been a big fan of this You know, I feel like even now in my last sparring, guys, they come hard at me. But I have to go hard because otherwise they're going to hurt me. But that's not because of me. That's because my freaking trainer is telling them, you got to put him away.

[2192] We're going to praise it.

[2193] You know what I mean?

[2194] So why does Farras do that?

[2195] He's completely crazy, Ferras, man. He's insane.

[2196] I love him to death, but, man, he's completely insane.

[2197] He's my sensee.

[2198] He's my, he's Paimae.

[2199] I call him Paimee.

[2200] John, I call him the Emperor.

[2201] The Emperor, John, like Star Wars.

[2202] They all have nickname That's hilarious Yeah man They're they're tough guy John is another one Like when I'm in training camp He put me with Gordon Ryan And Gary Tony one after Jake Schill Like hey go Go go go go there man I get smashed I get out like a pretzel Like Sometimes it's not good for my confidence Sometimes it is Sometimes it is Sometimes I'm like shit man It's hard to It's a hard life There's a darkness Inside John's brain Yeah man And it's hard It's a hard man I mean I made a lot of good change, my last, for preparation.

[2203] Like, you know, I used to train, like, on the ground.

[2204] I fight the wing fight around of five minutes.

[2205] You're never going to spend five minutes on the ground when you train for an MMA fight.

[2206] So I did three -minute round with one -minute break.

[2207] It makes you, and starting from scrambling position.

[2208] Like, for example, head and arm control, then go.

[2209] Right.

[2210] Or mount position, go.

[2211] We didn't start, like, shaken, and, yeah, because you lose time while you're making.

[2212] So we start from position, control, and go.

[2213] So it makes you.

[2214] more active and when you fight make you more opportunistic that's how and now I teach I try start to help Ferris like I do it because I love it at 12 Ferris and that's how I teach that the people now no more five minute round when you train for an MMFA two minute round three minute round three minute round you will never spend the entire five minute round right the minute that you're going to spend on the ground you have to be very economic and very apportion is when you see something boom that's all when I get in that with Bisping, I see the neck, boom.

[2215] I let him stand up, do the leg drag out of right away.

[2216] I probably would not have react the same way.

[2217] A few years ago, it would be more taking a position and safe kind of mentality.

[2218] You know what I mean?

[2219] That was a deep choke, too.

[2220] That choke was deep.

[2221] Yeah.

[2222] It was this way.

[2223] But I practiced it a lot because I learned the pattern of Bisping that when you do this, he liked to do this so I predict we've worked on it you know like what I mean like it's stuff that we were he wasn't in my like I said like my autopilot already in my hard disc so it's just reaction you don't have time to think which before when you don't train like this you train in five minutes it's slower pace so you're thinking more Jitsu is more it's not much of a dynamic it's more isometric sport sometimes you're dynamic but it's more isometric and position so you don't want to be like this for him you want to be like bang bang bang bang fast and you know what I mean make you make you more you know what I mean more efficient what kind of training you're doing now I mean you're going to train with Freddie Roach now yeah but how much time are you spending training I try I train normally twice a day every day still yeah I don't train hard every day twice a day um some days I do once a day I try to train at least four days a week that are twice a day and maybe two days that are once a day depending what I do for example I only gonna train once a day today is with Freddie tomorrow I do this new thing now it's that really changed my life too I train in a pool I don't lift weight you don't live weights no man I don't believe I still don't believe in conditioning you say conditioning I don't believe I believe I believe it's an illusion everybody has a it's efficiency if someone get tired more than the others because it's more efficient because everybody at a certain level is in shape, you know what I mean?

[2224] But I train in the pool.

[2225] I do, for example, I have resistance stuff, equipment, and I train in the pool.

[2226] So it's like my weight training I do in a pool.

[2227] For example, you do flies.

[2228] So you have protagonist, antagonist, muscle that works all the time.

[2229] And it's like doing flies.

[2230] But instead of that, you have protagonists and antagonists.

[2231] You do a fly and a pool in the same time.

[2232] Push, pool.

[2233] And you're doing it with rubber bands?

[2234] No, no, no, no, it's a resistance equipment.

[2235] No, no, resistance equipment is like a...

[2236] Shit, I wish I wouldn't know you.

[2237] Like a cable?

[2238] No, it's not a cable.

[2239] It's like a resistant, it's like a handle.

[2240] It's a new thing.

[2241] The Russian developed this, like in the 80s, a long time ago, where we just start to learn now about it.

[2242] And the Russian were way more advanced than us.

[2243] It's Gavin McMillan that made me discover this form of training when I rehab my ACL.

[2244] So he hates weight training He said weight training They load up your joint It damage your joint You know Depending how you do it But when you go heavy It damage your joint And it's true That's why I look young And I feel better at 37 now If it wouldn't be for this My ulcer I feel better now at 37 That I feel at 25 Mark my word is true The only difference is Let's I go out Like my birthday Was May 19 last Saturday I got completely wasted drunk, it takes me more days to recuperate because I'm 37 than when I was 25.

[2245] But strength -wise I feel just more powerful better.

[2246] Yeah, man, there's hope for the older man. There's hope that we can last better, we can have a better living.

[2247] It's kind of crazy that you don't believe in strength and conditioning.

[2248] I don't think that is the thing that everybody does today.

[2249] No, I don't.

[2250] Everybody is involved with strength and conditioning.

[2251] Because sometimes they mixed up their performance and strength conditioning because of the steroid, I believe.

[2252] A lot of people, they say, oh, my new nutrition is because of this, or my new training, make me be stronger.

[2253] Look, I'm a better fighter.

[2254] Oh, man, maybe it's because you're taking something.

[2255] You know what I mean?

[2256] Yeah.

[2257] I believe in, like, in UFC, let's say I spark with some Pro Boxer, okay?

[2258] For example, like.

[2259] Did you see right here?

[2260] Yeah, this is one, an example.

[2261] So you've got, look, ankle weights on?

[2262] Is that what it is?

[2263] Yeah.

[2264] Oh, wow.

[2265] But they create a resistance on the way up.

[2266] You see?

[2267] So it's a, so it doesn't load up my joint.

[2268] And you just explode.

[2269] Yeah, this is like pistol squat, but there's like a hundred like exercise like this.

[2270] Like I say 100, maybe not 100, but there's so many.

[2271] Yeah, man. There's stuff you can do with your every part of your body you can do an exercise.

[2272] And this is something the Russians got it to.

[2273] Yes.

[2274] And also the NFL football player, a lot to train with that because it increase your power.

[2275] It works.

[2276] So the thing that you don't have is the stability.

[2277] But if you want to increase your power, it helped for increasing the power for, muscle the fiber of the muscle you know what i mean yeah it won't make you a better fighter but it will longevity wise keep your your your car your your your car your vehicle your vehicle healthier that's why i do strong conditioning i don't do for making me a better fighter i do it because i want to look good i want to be muscular i want to i want to be uh balance i want to be have a longer long longevity It's not going to make me hit harder or stronger.

[2278] Hell no. Freddie Roche might help me hit stronger, for example.

[2279] You know what I mean?

[2280] John Dannar will make me be more creative, have better ambars, and Ferras will make me, you know what I mean, like better fighter in terms of giving me knowledge and different things.

[2281] That's what I believe could be wrong, Joe.

[2282] I know we think different ways in that regard.

[2283] We argue before about this, but that's why I believe.

[2284] I'm open -minded.

[2285] A lot of times when I'm arguing, I'm just playing the devil's advocate.

[2286] I don't think there's any one way to do.

[2287] these things like example I spar for example or your jiu -suitzzi guy make an experimentation go wrestle with a real wrestler like a high -level wrestler pure wrestler wrestle with him you're gonna get much you're gonna get tired much quicker than him for sure it's not because he's got a better cardio than you you know or maybe he is like depending but then after that go on the ground sit down and shake his hand and start rolling on the ground I guarantee he's gonna get more tired than you because if you never done Jiu -Jitsu is going to spend a lot more energy you're going to be much more efficient than him even though maybe he has a better cardio than you if you take a V -O -2 max test maybe he's going to score better however you're more efficient it's all about efficiency they try to sell you the product they try to sell you the program it's all freaking that for advertising our life is made of advertising that's why I was angry and I like we talk about intermittent fasting like there's no pills for this there's nobody that makes money that's why nobody talks about it but it's so efficient the oldest remedy in the world you know what I mean in three days you can rebuild your immune system and your gut all of it in three days of fasting you do it take I Malaya salt with the water you go train it's perfect you go in autophagy phase is the best you know what I mean but nobody talks about the same thing in cardio and all that they have to commercialize oh it's the money is it's all about selling you the thing our life it's all about branding everywhere we go it's freaking commercial we're surrounded by commercial if you want it and there's something we don't even realize it because it's so present in our life so it's not gonna make me a better fighter I do it because I felt good develop my muscle and it's good for me to be you know to have muscle for my brand for me for advertising for even for myself feel good you know what I mean Joe feels solid, you know what I mean?

[2288] Yeah, that's a real truth.

[2289] It's not going to make me hit.

[2290] You think this is going to make me have a better hook?

[2291] No, man, it doesn't transcend like that.

[2292] Timing, precision, forms, you know, everything.

[2293] It's not...

[2294] If Joe Lewis had the smallest arm, I think, one of the smallest arm, he hit like crazy.

[2295] Yeah, he did.

[2296] You know what I mean?

[2297] And you look at his build, he wasn't like a Mike Tyson or Lennox Lewis.

[2298] My friend had Donis Stevenson.

[2299] Like, I mean, he's built, he's an athlete, but, man, I spar with him many times, and he hit, like, a fucking truck.

[2300] He's probably the heaviest hitter I've ever seen in my life.

[2301] You know what I mean?

[2302] Yeah.

[2303] And he's not, like, he's strong, he's athletic, but there's a guy that more, more, more, more, look, look stronger than him.

[2304] Bodybuilder.

[2305] Yeah, because that's because of his form.

[2306] The way he transfers his weight is, is vector of force, everything, his technique, is timing, his precision.

[2307] Everything is a, perfect.

[2308] It's bone structure, too, a little bit, too, right?

[2309] Especially power.

[2310] You're freaking back.

[2311] man like this something is not because you're there and I said the person the human being that have hit that had produced the highest amount of force that I ever witness in my life is you man with your free I'm not saying it is this is true I never seen a human being physically capable of hitting something with that much force than you is a perfect example of what we argue it's not because you're stronger yeah you're strong guy you're a good athletic guy but you know like you're older you're older than me you know like you know what i mean like why because it's your form the technique the vector of force your technique everything is all freaking perfect timing that's why it's when you turn and you make that spin like i don't care who you are if you francis and gandu you hit that shit on the face you're gonna be dead you know not dead but you're gonna be knocked out man yeah this is crazy you know what i mean when you did that it was completely insane you know yeah that's the one jeez i'm still working on it by the way but i i can't do like you do with my knee coming out i feel like when i do inspiring the guys they they see it and they so i have to keep my my knee tuck in yeah i think you're just thinking that maybe it's because they're yours of karate i learn in a different way so my my brain is wire so much in a certain way yeah the problem with karate is that lower knee The knee down by the other knee versus up by the hip.

[2312] When you bring it up by the hip, there's much more leverage.

[2313] It's a tremendous amount of force.

[2314] And the alignment of your lower leg, the supporting leg, and the kicking leg is better to generate force.

[2315] Whereas the kicking leg is almost independent of the lower leg if you're going up.

[2316] Because they're not moving in the same direction.

[2317] One leg is going up, the other leg is going forward.

[2318] So it's like, it's all goofy.

[2319] But when the hip is up, when you turn, The hip is up.

[2320] This is pushing and this is going forward.

[2321] It's just boom.

[2322] It's where the power comes from.

[2323] However, you come from Taekwondo.

[2324] Is all the Olympic athlete, like, champion?

[2325] They don't do it like that.

[2326] Yeah.

[2327] No, no, no, no, exactly.

[2328] You do it in a different ways, right?

[2329] But, man, I never seen anybody hit as hard.

[2330] Like, I don't care if it's a punch.

[2331] I never see a strike, a blow from a human being that hard.

[2332] Man, I remember the bag when you were working in.

[2333] It was a freaking hole almost in the bag.

[2334] It was like a curves in the bag, like with your footprint in it.

[2335] I'm like, it's completely insane, man. It's a lot of power.

[2336] I was with Eddie Bravo and I remember we were freaking out.

[2337] Then you were going back and forward, and, like, you were...

[2338] Well, you know, we work together because of Donahur.

[2339] Yeah.

[2340] Because John came up to me and just asking me because I was a commentator.

[2341] He said, I need someone to help George with the fundamentals of his spinning back kick.

[2342] He needs like a technique refresher.

[2343] Do you know anybody?

[2344] And I said, this is going to sound crazy.

[2345] I just got to listen to me. But I have a really good spinning back kick.

[2346] So that's how you put it out.

[2347] He's a smart guy.

[2348] He put it to me just asking if I knew a Tyco one guy.

[2349] He knew.

[2350] He knew.

[2351] He told me he's going to ask you, he's going to ask if you could work with me. That's funny because he said it to me, asking me if I knew somebody.

[2352] No, no, but you want to put it this way.

[2353] It's John is smart guy.

[2354] John is very smart guy at, if he would have said, he would have kind of, because I remember he said that to me and I say, because he's like my son, so he's like, so I say, yeah, yeah, yeah, right.

[2355] I'm like, and then I was rolling my, I was like, what the fuck, is Joe Rogel?

[2356] I didn't know your background, you know?

[2357] Like, I knew, I know you did some martial art. That's what I thought he was going to think.

[2358] No, but he knew that, because the word gets around, the word gets around, that you have a very strong spinning bag cake.

[2359] He saw, he somehow told him or he's seen it Because he told me I remember he told me Then I was like Yeah I'll do it When I go Train with Freddie Rhodes And then I couldn't believe I called him the same night I said what the fuck was that Man It's like This should be an illegal If he ever fights man This should be illegal He can kill someone with this man It's insane man Well it's fucked up It almost feels like a lie Because it was so long ago It was a different life Like I stopped fighting I'm 50 years old I stopped fighting when I was 21 So I haven't fought in forever So it's just, I keep doing it and training, but I haven't done it so long.

[2360] So when I tell someone that I can do it, I'm like, is this, is that true?

[2361] I like saying, is it true?

[2362] How many people did you, did you ever light up someone with that particular?

[2363] There's a video of me when I was 19 from a Taekwondo tournament, making a guy fly through the air.

[2364] Are you serious?

[2365] Yeah, Jamie.

[2366] Oh, my God.

[2367] Is he okay now?

[2368] Is he alive?

[2369] I don't know.

[2370] Here it is right here.

[2371] Are you kidding me, man. yeah that's how fucking scratchy VHS video from 1986 bro you realize you didn't even cut him like you know we talk about precision like there was like like your technique is freaking but it's so powerful like you got him wear on the shoulder on the no no I caught him on the body it wasn't in the shoulder you can see it again but yeah that it's okay okay okay it's just his arm it's underneath his arm oh my god but I saw him coming forward always because it's incredibly incredibly powerful a guy would do the same thing hit him in the same spot it would probably not get put away like there oh okay okay see as you see like the impact it goes right into his body and then I extend and then when I extended he was I was kind of like oh yeah okay I see no no that was that was perfect and he just sailed through the air it's just it's a crazy it's got so much power yeah it's just a crazy technique and And I was raised in a Taekwondo school that came from the old school Taekwondo before tournaments.

[2372] See, General Che, Chey, He trained, he was the inventor of Taekwondo, the founder of Taekwendo, and he trained a small handful of elite instructors.

[2373] And one of them was Jayhun Kim, who was my instructor.

[2374] So my Taekwondo background was old school Taekwondo.

[2375] Before Olympic, it was even even a consideration.

[2376] And so everyone trained for power.

[2377] It was a different thing.

[2378] Breaking, yeah.

[2379] Yeah, it was just, you had to be able to defend yourself in the street.

[2380] My instructor's idea was if you couldn't hurt someone with a kick, like, why even practice it?

[2381] And these taekwondo guys in tournaments, they were tapping each other.

[2382] They were just moving really fast, trying to score points.

[2383] And he hated that shit.

[2384] He hated that shit.

[2385] And he felt like you had to load up more.

[2386] There had to be more power into those techniques.

[2387] And it wasn't quite as fast.

[2388] as like the really quick style, Olympic point style taekwondo?

[2389] Yeah.

[2390] But that Olympic point style wouldn't hurt anybody.

[2391] You couldn't keep them off of you.

[2392] But the thing is hard for me. Like, I try to practice your ways, but I have a hard.

[2393] I don't know if it's my hips or the way.

[2394] No, no, it's just reps. It's just repetition.

[2395] Okay, okay.

[2396] We'll go over here after we're done.

[2397] We're done anyway now.

[2398] It's freaking hard, man. We have this gym here.

[2399] I'll just give you a refresher.

[2400] Yeah.

[2401] A lot of it comes from the front leg sidekick.

[2402] Nobody I know, you know, I go back, I went back to karate training because I've done Moetai, but I was coming from karate background, we've done it straight, not like you, straight.

[2403] Then in Moetai, then I haven't done it for a kick, like back kick for a long time because they don't really do that much in Moitay.

[2404] But I went back to karate, my last fight.

[2405] And when I start to redo it, I've been taught again with the knee.

[2406] The knee down.

[2407] Yeah, but I like your, I like the way you do it, man. It's crazy.

[2408] The knee has to be higher.

[2409] Yeah, the knee has to be higher to get the full power into it.

[2410] I just don't have the same efficiency with it.

[2411] Yeah, but it can be done.

[2412] You can learn that efficiency.

[2413] Shit.

[2414] 100%.

[2415] It's freaking nuts, man. Yeah, but it comes from learning first the right way to do the front leg sidekick.

[2416] See, the front leg sidekick, you develop that, boom, that knee comes up, and then boom, it's all in thrusting that hip and popping it forward.

[2417] And then once you develop the speed from doing that, then you do it with the turn.

[2418] Then it's turn, boom.

[2419] It's the same thing.

[2420] It's that twist of the hip and the extension of the leg.

[2421] but then it's also the turn first so the turn first boom and then the extension of the leg that's why that power comes from it's all in a straight line okay and then the 360 when the right leg is forward and you step forward and then throw that that was that's like getting hit by a train that's that's the one that i that's the strongest i ever seen is that that's that shit's crazy it's so you're running it somewhere you're not even in your prime now no 50 shit yeah but when i was 19 i could do it like a laser beam that's so fast yeah you know like in that video.

[2422] I mean, I was just, that's all I did, though.

[2423] I mean, but from the time I was 15 to the time I was 21, I didn't do shit.

[2424] I barely did any homework.

[2425] I didn't pay attention at all.

[2426] All I did was fight.

[2427] That's all I did was do Taekwondo.

[2428] That's all I did.

[2429] I just wanted to be in the Olympics.

[2430] I wanted to be a Taekwendo champion.

[2431] Wow.

[2432] Yeah, that's all I wanted to do.

[2433] But then the problem was, I started sparring with kickboxers and getting fucked up.

[2434] And I realized that Taekwondo does no hands.

[2435] Like the hand texting, he's useless.

[2436] And when I I would be in a boxing ring and I would be sparring with someone.

[2437] They'd just get me in a corner and start fucking me up.

[2438] And I was like, oh, I don't know how to do this.

[2439] Like, I need to learn how to box.

[2440] And so I realized Taekwondo, in a lot of situations, is not effective.

[2441] It's not useful.

[2442] Yeah.

[2443] Like, I needed to learn how to box first.

[2444] And so then I started training that.

[2445] And then I started training with Muay guys, getting leg kicked.

[2446] I'm like, ah, fuck.

[2447] Now this is because we were doing, like, above the waist kickboxing.

[2448] And then I saw Rick Rufus when he fought that.

[2449] a tie fighter.

[2450] You know, there's a really important fight when Rick fought this guy and the guy just chopped his fucking legs out front of him.

[2451] I saw that fight.

[2452] However, you put the same fight in the M .MA contest.

[2453] Like, I mean, Rick Rufus beat the shit out of him the first, I think, few minutes.

[2454] Yeah.

[2455] He killed the guy.

[2456] But the guy used kind of the rules to stand back up.

[2457] Then you okay.

[2458] You put that in the MMA context.

[2459] That's why the striking in MMA, people say, let's say my weather goes into M .M .A. He'll knock everybody out if they stay standing up.

[2460] I don't agree with that at all, man. No, he'll get killed.

[2461] His legs.

[2462] Not only the leg, Joe.

[2463] I think even the hand, like Randy Couture beat Victor Bidtor.

[2464] Remember with the, how do you say that in English?

[2465] The uppercut.

[2466] The dirty boxing.

[2467] Dirty boxing, glitching is very different.

[2468] Even the distance, the timing.

[2469] It's just a small glove, you know.

[2470] It changed everything, man. Sure, sure.

[2471] Man, I sparrow a lot with much better decorated pure wrestler than me in MMA.

[2472] I put them all down, all of them.

[2473] Not because I'm a better wrestler, is because my timing I learned from Karatee out to close the gap in Karatee.

[2474] But I use that, I use a karate for the takedown.

[2475] Some use Karatee for blitzing and like Wonderboy.

[2476] Just depend on you use your tool, you know what I mean?

[2477] What do you think about Wonderboy tilt?

[2478] That's this weekend.

[2479] Oh, man, I'm going to watch this fight.

[2480] I think two things can happen.

[2481] How long are you going to be in town for?

[2482] I leave on Friday.

[2483] I got to go back on Friday, unfortunately.

[2484] Yeah, yeah.

[2485] Fights on Sunday.

[2486] It's here?

[2487] Yeah, no, it's in England, but it's early morning.

[2488] Oh, yeah, it's true.

[2489] We're going to do a fight companion.

[2490] We're going to come in here and watch it.

[2491] Yeah, I got to bounce, man. I wish, no, seriously, it's because I really got to bounce, but this weekend I have something important this weekend.

[2492] But, man, I need to be a much old Saturday, But shit, I would have, ah, man. We'll do another time for sure.

[2493] Normally, I watch fight with people that doesn't know nothing about fight.

[2494] It's fucking depressing.

[2495] Fight companions are fun.

[2496] We drink a couple beers, watch the fights.

[2497] My fight companion are different than, you know, most of my friends are not really fighters.

[2498] Or, like, normal guys geeks or whatever.

[2499] They think they know, but they don't know nothing about fighting.

[2500] Is that annoying?

[2501] I have the way they all freaking out.

[2502] And I try to be diplomatic.

[2503] I'm sitting here and everybody's like, hey, why you didn't do this?

[2504] Why he didn't do that?

[2505] I'm like, I used to try to correct them.

[2506] I used to.

[2507] But I put so much effort and energy that I just gave up at one point.

[2508] I'm like, yeah, man, why he didn't do this?

[2509] Like the fight, Tyrone would live with Wonderboy.

[2510] Like, I was watching the fight.

[2511] He's like, it's so boring.

[2512] I can't believe it.

[2513] It's like, dude, you just don't understand that if Wonderboy, you go with Wonderboy and you charge him like this, you know what I mean?

[2514] Like, I don't want to talk about.

[2515] my friend and I don't want to talk about for Darantil if he listened to this is what the boy is my friend but they just don't freaking get it they don't understand they're not educated about the culture like it's the same thing on the floor oh yeah why don't you do it like and they have a few fight in the street you know it's funny they're my boys man I like but a lot of them like sometimes I listen not all of them but some of them are like oh jeez man what the hell is this it's frustrating they think they know but they don't know man. A lot of them they think they know what they don't know.

[2516] I still love you guys, but oh my God, sometimes it's annoying, you know?

[2517] Well, listen, George, let's wrap this up, man. Thank you for coming here.

[2518] I really appreciate it, brother.

[2519] It's always great to see you.

[2520] Thank you, man. Thank you.

[2521] Is it the real time?

[2522] That's the real time.

[2523] Holy shoot.

[2524] Are you serious?

[2525] Yeah, we did three hours.

[2526] Oh my God.

[2527] Are you serious?

[2528] Yeah.

[2529] You're sure.

[2530] No, it can't be the real time.

[2531] It's a time warp in here, man. Dude, that's insane.

[2532] I need to be to the content.

[2533] Let me check.

[2534] Where do you got to go?

[2535] I go to the contender or Freddie Roach.

[2536] What time is supposed to be there?

[2537] Yeah, I'm checking.

[2538] But you needed to train with me. I think I needed to be there at 4 .30 before.

[2539] You couldn't leave right now?

[2540] I think it closed at 4 .30.

[2541] If you leave now, you can be there by 4 .30.

[2542] Yeah, but I miss the freaking backkick and instructional landing, which I want to do it.

[2543] I'll give you a quick one.

[2544] Real quick.

[2545] Fuck.

[2546] Let's fucking do it.

[2547] You don't mind, Joey, sir?

[2548] No. Bye, everybody.

[2549] You don't might now?