#2073 - Derek, More Plates More Dates

[0] Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

[1] The Joe Rogan Experience.

[2] Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day.

[3] Good to see you again.

[4] Yeah, you as well.

[5] Do you do cold plunge?

[6] We're just talking about it?

[7] Yeah, it's something that I do occasionally, but I don't have one at my place, so it's not a regular part of my routine, but I would like it to be.

[8] And I guess I could do the cold shower thing.

[9] but it's...

[10] Do you live in a department?

[11] Yeah.

[12] From my understanding, it's not as, I don't know, effective overall to like, you want to be fully immersed and kind of get the full experience.

[13] Yeah, it's, I don't think it's as effective, but it's pretty effective.

[14] Especially you live in the fucking frozen communist shithole of Canada.

[15] Yeah, yeah.

[16] It's cold, you get real cold water.

[17] When's the last time you've been up there?

[18] I don't go up there anymore.

[19] You refuse, right?

[20] Yeah, just fucking, what they've done, gun up there.

[21] What they did with the trucker rally and what what Trudeau's doing with guns and what they're trying to clamp down on censorship on the internet.

[22] That guy can eat shit.

[23] Like that place needs 100 % an overall of government.

[24] They're sliding down that dangerous road of communism that scares the shit out of me. Yeah, it's funny because even though I'm in Canada, It seems like the political, the prevalence of political information and media is so much lesser than what goes on in the states because it's just far more interesting.

[25] But even the alternatives that I'm aware of on the political side of things that are trying to, you know, get Trudeau out and replace him, not much better from my understanding.

[26] It seems like everyone's, every time I go on Twitter, I see Jordan Peterson shitting on some other guy who's like the next best option, apparently.

[27] Well, he likes that Pierre guy.

[28] what's that guy's name i don't know pierre polivir what is his name there's the the the guy who's the reasonable republican type character or conservative character what is the yeah pierre polivir that guy's very smart okay he's very interesting there's a really funny video i don't have you ever saw it but um he's eating an apple and he's talking to this reporter and the reporter keeps asking him really stupid questions.

[29] Like, what do you mean by that?

[30] Like, what does that mean?

[31] And, like, he catches this reporter, like, says who?

[32] Who's saying this?

[33] And it's, have you seen that video?

[34] I've never seen that.

[35] Jamie Lerfrey.

[36] Currently, you're obviously taking the populist pathway.

[37] What does that mean?

[38] Well, appealing to people's more emotional levels, I would guess.

[39] I mean, certainly you tap, certainly you tap very strong ideological, language quite frequently like what uh left wing you know this and that right wing they know i mean it's like just buzzwords i never really talk about left or right anyways a lot i don't really believe in that okay taking it's it's a longer conversation but it's very interesting because it just shows you the level of the the level of sophistication these fucking dopey reporters that are covering this kind of shit now they are they are just trying to always play gotcha stuff the title was, does it hurt him?

[40] I wonder what the consensus is of like the average Canadian if they think it's not this guy's legit or if they're like, this guy doesn't care about us at all.

[41] It's a good question.

[42] I mean, I think propaganda affects everyone and I think Canadian propaganda is a little more tightened down and control.

[43] What they did with the truckers like for example, like the way Trudeau just openly labeled them as racist and misogynist.

[44] And then when people were donating to this trucker movement when they were trying to, you know, have this protest, they closed down people's bank accounts who donated.

[45] I mean, that is third world country shit.

[46] The fact that they think they can do that in Canada is insane.

[47] Have you seen the ban of news in Canada to where if you're located in Canada, you can't access news outlets now because the news outlets or the social media platforms featuring the news outlets refuse to pay Canada their own fee essentially.

[48] So if I'm in Canada and I go on Instagram and try to go to a, you know, a news page that's outside of Canadian media, it'll literally say can't view unavailable in Canada.

[49] Yeah, it's crazy.

[50] That's nuts.

[51] That's like China.

[52] I mean, it's literally like what they do in foreign countries that are run by dictators.

[53] Yeah, yeah, dude.

[54] The bills, it seems like every couple of weeks there's some new gong.

[55] show of a bill that everyone says is going to, you know, wipe out creators off social media or force you to make Canadian content only, which is like this super nebulous thing that you have no idea.

[56] Am I only going to be able to talk about like maple syrup and beavers and shit?

[57] Or like, what's it going to be?

[58] You don't know.

[59] So that's a concern as somebody on YouTube especially.

[60] Yeah.

[61] Yeah, but.

[62] Yeah, I've heard concerning things that my podcast at one point in time might not even be available in Canada because of this.

[63] Yeah.

[64] Like that's a concern, that this could be used in that manner to stop people from accessing podcast, especially if I'm openly critical of that shithole communist government.

[65] Oh, yeah, you definitely won't be on there.

[66] If you make Canadian enough content, then you'll get promoted, though.

[67] Yeah, okay.

[68] I'll start talking about hockey.

[69] Yeah, yeah.

[70] I'll start talking about George St. Pierre and hockey.

[71] Yeah.

[72] Does George still live in Canada?

[73] I believe he does He's here a lot He's here in Austin a lot Because he trains with the Donahir squad You know Gordon Ryan and those guys So they're all out here He's retired but like What's his current Lifestyle now Is it just like training And social media or Well you know Fortunately George is a man of leisure Because he made a shitload Of money fighting And so he's really well off And he doesn't have to do anything But he does enjoy Traveling and training And the guy still is involved in martial arts as just a vehicle for developing his life.

[74] So he is super fit.

[75] I mean, like top -notch fit.

[76] The guy still does this rigorous exercise routine.

[77] He still trains with all of the, like these guys are professional jiu -jitsu competitors.

[78] So with the Don of her team, it's a very unusual team.

[79] I know you've covered Gordon and his steroid use and all that jazz.

[80] Yeah, yeah.

[81] And what I like about Gordon is he's fucking super open about it.

[82] You know, like, he's not hiding shit.

[83] Yeah.

[84] He's like, look, everybody does it.

[85] This is what I do.

[86] I'm the best.

[87] Yeah.

[88] And everybody's like, but, but, but, no. Yeah.

[89] But what they do is they train 365 days a year.

[90] It's wild.

[91] Yes.

[92] And that's one of the reasons why you need steroids.

[93] Yeah.

[94] Like, that is not physically possible with a normal endocrine system.

[95] to be recovering from six and eight -hour workouts every day, 365 days a year.

[96] You're going to get breakdown.

[97] There's just no – I mean, I don't give a fuck how many ice baths you take.

[98] Yeah.

[99] You know, these guys are training all day long.

[100] They're doing different levels of training, right?

[101] So they're doing weightlifting training.

[102] So most of Gordon's work – Gordon's girlfriend was a professional bodybuilder.

[103] And so most of his is just size and build – it's not really like – functional training like you see the old videos of Alexander Corellan do you know who he is yeah yeah yeah so you see that guy doing kettlebells and fucking you know shield cast with giant steel plates over his head cord's not doing any of that stuff so a lot of bodybuilding stuff um they do that then they're doing drills where they're just they're analyzing positions and finding problems of these positions and they'll go over tape and I mean it's fucking meticulous man I mean you have to have I don't know if they're on Adderall but I would imagine that would help but something something is very different about the way they train and the and then they're drilling and then they're doing of course they're doing live sparring so they're doing they're rolling they're you know they're going from certain positions they have goals to get to a certain position or to avoid a certain position and they're advancing faster than any group of jih Tjutsu people on the planet Earth.

[104] But you have to be a fucking maniac.

[105] You have to be a 365 day a year, fully committed.

[106] You miss nothing.

[107] I don't give a fuck about your holidays.

[108] No one gives a fuck about Christmas.

[109] Fuck you, it's your birthday.

[110] Get in there.

[111] Everybody's in there.

[112] Is it the goal, like I've seen them on UFC Fight Pass and some of these new, more, they seem to be expanding in their reach, what is like the goal of the top guys in that sport is it typically to just stay at the top of the sport or do a lot of them transition to mama at some point a lot of them will transition but a lot of them don't want brain damage you know they just don't you know i don't think gordon makes so much money doing just jujitsu i mean he makes millions of dollars every year just selling videos it's crazy how he still has uh is it like actual dvds like he has he has like uh media he sells in like dvd format i think i don't believe so i think it's a digital download i would assume yeah yeah i could i could have sworn somebody said he like sold physical DVDs i'm sure he probably does that as well but i don't even know if i have a yeah i mean either that's why it seemed odd to me which is so crazy because i would have never thought that a physical media player was just going to go away oh yeah everything would just be in the fucking air yeah yeah no it's wild to see uh if you look at the evolution of consoles over in the past like 20 years it's like these little wild I guess now would be perceived as like totally foreign to Gen Z or whatever well I'm old as fuck dude when I was a kid I remember pong yeah I was a little kid and you could play a game on the television and it was nuts nobody could believe it and you had like this little dot that would go doot doot and you would like with your little scroll wheel you would roll your paddle up to hit the dot do do do do do and me and my sister would play pong and we were like this is crazy we're playing on tv we're playing a video game on tv when's the what's the last game that you were uh into or did you like stop yourself after uh it was doom right no it was quake sorry yeah well i didn't stop myself jamie and i and jeff a few years back we had a local area network room in our old studio in LA and it got to be a real problem where it's just too much fun so we would get out of a podcast at you know three -ish and I would be playing until six seven at night and I'd go home and I didn't feel good I'd get out of there I'd be frazzled your adrenaline's frying yeah yeah Jesus crap feel fucking terrible yeah it's like uh have you ever heard of a super smash bros yes okay so my girlfriend uh got me what was I guess the best and worst gift at the same time a couple years ago it was a Nintendo Switch for Christmas and that game and I haven't I pretty much swore off games years ago because I just knew once I got into them it's gonna fuck my days like it very much saps my bandwidth and the dopamine hit you get from it is insane it's like a drug essentially so I played it and it's probably the most addictive thing in my life right now so I need to I'm highly considering just getting rid of it and getting it out of my house it's almost like junk food where you have to keep it out of the house to not go ham on it with the games, it's the same thing dude and the graphics now and all the colors and the vibrancy and everything compared to Pong back in the day I can just imagine what it does to your expectation of like dopamine hits and then what other stuff in life feels like reward reward wise like proportionally to it it's probably like fucking night and day compared to the Pong days.

[113] Night and day We were playing Quake Champions, right?

[114] And this is a game that you play.

[115] You have headphones on, and you can hear sounds behind you.

[116] You can hear them to the right, to the left.

[117] Super sophisticated.

[118] When you're running through the water, you hear splashing sounds.

[119] You have immersive graphics.

[120] You're running through these tunnels and rockets are flying over your head and it lights the wall as the rockets are missing you.

[121] I mean, the shadows, everything.

[122] It's so insanely vivid and so fun.

[123] This is quake.

[124] Oh, damn.

[125] And this is how fast it moves, too.

[126] And when you shoot people, they turn it into fucking mist.

[127] Look at that.

[128] The enemy has the quad.

[129] Quad is quad power.

[130] That gives you four times of power.

[131] Imagine playing this?

[132] No, yeah.

[133] And for hours a day.

[134] And it's just.

[135] Just like playing in teams where there's no real end in sight because you never win the game.

[136] You just keep playing over and over and over.

[137] Over and over and over again.

[138] And then you can hop on these servers.

[139] So like if you're at home by yourself, you could just hop on a server and there's always people playing.

[140] What is the, is this the most recent iteration of the game?

[141] Yeah, this is the most recent.

[142] Okay.

[143] It's so exciting.

[144] It's wild because...

[145] This is what you're paying?

[146] Oh, yeah.

[147] dude so this game is brutal because it has in seemingly infinite amounts of maps there's probably like like look at that shit all the colors and stuff it's like you your brain doesn't even know what to process it at first and there's uh i don't know how many characters like almost 100 or something and it's essentially the main or the most sought after characters or protagonist and antagonist or whatever from major video games so you're basically getting to play with every most popular character of every game ever, essentially.

[148] So even if you win a game, the amount of iterations of maps and players and different things you can do, it never really gets stale.

[149] So you're just sitting there over and over grinding through this thing with no end in sight.

[150] And the wild thing, too, is oftentimes I'm just playing against a computer, but I'll actually get pissed off when I lose.

[151] Like, I have to avenge myself and go beat the computer.

[152] So I'll be like, I'm going to stay here, I beat this fucking guy, even though it's not even a human.

[153] And then I'll burn an hour.

[154] And I'll be like, and that was my mentally sharp, you know, one of however many hours.

[155] Well, there's so many of these games like this, and there's so many different styles of game.

[156] If you're into this style of game, or if you're into like half -life, you ever play Half -Life?

[157] Heard of it, seen it, never played it, though.

[158] It's a game about, like, some science experiment gone wrong that opens up some portal and aliens come out and you've got to fight them.

[159] It's in this laboratory, and it's, and it's, these games are so immersive.

[160] They're just so, it's like you're playing a movie that you're participating in with insane graphics, and they're really well mapped out and planned out, and they make them really challenging and exciting.

[161] And if you're a person that's into those things, like, you don't, fuck all your free time.

[162] It's gone.

[163] Yeah.

[164] It's gone.

[165] There's a lot of people that make good livings out of it, which is the crazy thing, though.

[166] No, that's what's weird now.

[167] So it's like how it's almost hard.

[168] I don't even know what it would be like as a parent to argue with your kid about if it's a good use of time or not.

[169] Because it's like the kid could be like, I'm making more money than every other fucking kid in my class.

[170] Yeah, I might be making more money than their parents.

[171] Yeah, literally.

[172] Yeah, if your dad has some, you got to get a job, some.

[173] Have you seen how many Twitch subscribers I have?

[174] Yeah.

[175] Well, yeah, you could, if you become popular and play games online, you can make a substantial living.

[176] So if your kid was playing golf And the kid said I want to be a professional golf Are you like well Are you winning tournaments Do you have a chance here Like maybe this is a good career path for you Johnny Yeah But no parent wants to go What the fuck are you doing?

[177] League of Legends Yeah My son's a league of Legends player on Twitch What?

[178] Yeah Oh what did you do Yeah And you get You sit there and just Rack up donations While you play Yeah The thing that's wild to me And obviously People enjoy doing this So I'm not, you know, shitting on it necessarily.

[179] But I can't fathom doing this myself is sitting there and watching somebody play for hours.

[180] But this is literally how it supports them as a creator is watching the live stream.

[181] So this means that there's thousands of people at home eating dinner or just sitting there and watching a guy play rather than playing themselves.

[182] I'm just like.

[183] I would have never imagined that that would be a gigantic thing like it is.

[184] Yeah.

[185] Because it's oftentimes when you're playing too, your commentary is surface level.

[186] because you're trying to focus, especially if you're really good.

[187] So you're just watching a guy concentrate and play and not really engage with you in any meaningful way and you're just sitting there as an observer and somehow finding it worthwhile to chuck money at the guy, sit there and watch them for hours.

[188] Like, I don't know.

[189] I just can't fathom it.

[190] And then there's a whole industry of hot girls like in their underwear playing video games.

[191] Yeah, or like I think there's a whole section on, I don't know if you've ever seen Twitch.

[192] It's a platform.

[193] I'm so not familiar with, but I should for, you know, to understand what's going on with the gaming market, but like, it's like hot tub streamers or like inflatable pool streamers and these chicks just like put on a live stream and then get in a bathing suit and sit in a like inflatable pool in their house and just like wait around and talk to you, I guess, and rack up millions over the year.

[194] Yeah, it's nuts.

[195] Some will sell the water that they were in.

[196] It's just like multi -level supply chain management.

[197] They'll sell the water.

[198] They bottled it up in front of you in Mason jars.

[199] This one's for you, Doug.

[200] It's funny because you say that as a joke, but it's actually what happens.

[201] Oh, my God.

[202] Yeah, and they make bank off it.

[203] The number of in -cells buying pond water.

[204] Twitch streamers.

[205] Yeah.

[206] No, I can't even...

[207] I can't imagine, like, what mindset you would have to be in to justify that purchase.

[208] You gotta be really obsessed with that person Like do you get the jar of the mason jar And then you like jerk off to the water I don't get it Yeah But we use the water to jerk off with Utility right there you go I guess I'm just guessing Maybe they put it on a shelf Well that's Debbie's water Yeah she's my favorite Twitch streamer It could be an investment I suppose But I can't imagine that playing out I don't believe that will be a worthwhile investment but it's like what are the numbers of men in 2023 that are single it's something absurd it's an enormously large number of people that are single today as opposed to in the past yeah i've seen uh chris williamson has like uh he often post like random statistics that he sees and sometimes the numbers i don't know where these surveys come from because they're often the most wildly specific things or we surveyed men and 40 % haven't talked to a girl in three years.

[209] I'm like, who are these dudes?

[210] But I believe it.

[211] So it's pretty wild.

[212] Some of the stats that...

[213] I see this headline, and I have a different interpretation of it, though.

[214] Most young men are single in 2023.

[215] Most women are not.

[216] It's like, when you ask, the guys are like, no, I'm not tied up.

[217] But the girls like, no, yeah, we're dating.

[218] So the guys are lying or the girls are delusional?

[219] They just don't view it the same way.

[220] What's happening?

[221] I would be highly skeptical that there's that many, like, player dudes that are...

[222] taking up the majority i'm not even saying players i just don't think that they're you know they're not locked they're not locked down you're not living with me you know right i haven't deleted my tinder account yet well that's the big thing right the options that young people have today dating single people have today with with these dating apps is just if anything seems like you're not in you know like i don't like the way she said this or i don't like the way he did that You'll, like, move on to the next swipe.

[223] Yeah.

[224] Like, you never get past this thing where, you know, you try to, like, manage how to hang out with each other.

[225] Because, you know, when you're dating, everyone has a different personality.

[226] Yeah.

[227] And some things that some people love, other people are like, hey, don't do that.

[228] And you're like, oh, all right.

[229] I didn't know.

[230] Yeah.

[231] I thought you liked it when I opened up the door.

[232] You know, like, whatever it is.

[233] It's like there's always going to be a thing that someone doesn't like.

[234] And everyone has so many options today.

[235] It's got to be, if you're an attractive person, a woman or a man, and you have a dating app today, like, the chances of you finding someone that makes you put away all those other options because those options in a dating app are just as addictive, I would imagine, as some video games.

[236] Oh, for sure.

[237] Because you're engaging with new people.

[238] Have you ever seen a girl go through her Tinder to show, like, how absurd it is for what.

[239] the demand is for them relative to dudes i haven't i've seen people talk about it online but i've never seen any way do it in person you could have like a six out of ten who would 20 years ago or whatever not get that much attention if it weren't for social media and everything going through her tinder and it's like match match match match match whereas for dudes it's like nothing nothing nothing nothing nothing maybe match nothing nothing nothing nothing so it's like literally 10 % of the dudes are getting 90 % of the chicks and that the supply demand ratio is not there so I think a lot of dudes are single I don't know if they want to admit it or not but it's because happened also recently with those apps they've been getting caught using bots to pump up their numbers I have heard of that the dating apps will have like AI people and they're just doing it so they get more engagement there's a lot of chicks that promote their only fans and social media on Tinder too and that's how they're going about it So they're not even looking to date.

[240] They're just looking to pump their socials or get a new only fan subscriber from some simp that thought they were interested.

[241] That's another one too, right?

[242] I mean, when do you bail out on that?

[243] So if you're a woman, let's say you're a woman and you're making, you know, some of these women are making $100 ,000 a month just showing their feet and whatever.

[244] Yeah, literally.

[245] And so all of a sudden you date this guy and you're really into him and it becomes a meaningful relationship.

[246] And then this conversation comes up like, hey, how long are you going to show your asshole?

[247] Yeah, on OnlyFans.

[248] As long as I want.

[249] And then she's like, well, I make $100 ,000 a month showing my asshole.

[250] And I'm only fans.

[251] She's like, oh, all right.

[252] Well, I don't know where this is going then.

[253] It's like, do you make that showing your asshole?

[254] No, I don't.

[255] No, I don't.

[256] So then the guy has to, like, be in this position where the woman literally makes like 10 times more than he does, showing her asshole.

[257] Yeah.

[258] And then he's got to somehow another convince her to abandon that so they can live a life like a fucking Norman Rockwell book.

[259] Let's just say, and maybe this is too extreme of a hypothetical, but let's just say you're in your 20s and you're dating somebody and she's an only fan girl.

[260] Yeah.

[261] Is that a deal breaker for you?

[262] No, if I'm in my 20s, it's not.

[263] No. First of all, I'd be like, how are you making so much money?

[264] This is crazy.

[265] Can I show my asshole if I was in my 20s?

[266] But they need to have to do it probably for gay guys because women are not going to pay.

[267] I would think that what I would do is just accept the fact that this isn't going anywhere.

[268] And then we're going to have some fun.

[269] Okay, well, what if it's somebody that you thought would have potential as a serious long -term thing?

[270] Would that be the deal breaker that?

[271] I think you'd probably know immediately that she has an only fan.

[272] I don't think you would take long.

[273] I think if you waited a long time, like if you're dating six to eight months, like, How do you have all these shoes like where'd you get this car like what do you do for work if it was one of those things?

[274] You know and then you oh you have an only fans and then you were already in love with this woman that would be that would be an issue I guess or maybe you just like shift gears and go okay I guess this is what I accept I mean it's possible it's feasible for a woman to have a completely disconnected approach to what her only fans is.

[275] is and think about only as a, this is just a business thing.

[276] I'm just making, I don't want to work at Wendy's.

[277] And so I'm doing this and I am making extraordinary amounts of money and I'm going to invest this money in real estate and smart.

[278] You could look at it that way.

[279] What would be the threshold of acceptable behavior on Onlyfans though?

[280] Because it's like, it ranges from like bananas in your pussy.

[281] Yeah, you could be just, from what I understand is a lot of fitness and industry girls too will just they're already almost nude on Instagram essentially right and they will just post different iterations of you know the same poses or whatever in the same kind of clothes but behind a paywall and I guess some of the money they make is from talking to the dudes or the guys thinking they're talking to them which is often like a that's what Andrew Tate did right those Andrew Tate's whole things like having people pretend yeah he gets he gets a lot of heat because I don't know I don't know if this is actually what he did but what people are saying is he would type on behalf of the girls which is like I don't know some people say it's kind of gay so because it's like you're talking to a dude about you know what what you'd want to do with him and this and that and speaking on behalf of the girl as if you are her which presumably a lot of girls outsourced to whoever they can get to do it or have I don't know some cookie cutter scripts or something yeah but um yeah it's kind of a weird but if you were doing that you would know exactly what to say to the guys because you know exactly what the guys want to hear yeah because if you're just running a scam i mean it's not really gay unless you're getting aroused thinking about these guys jerking off to your words which is a very gray area yeah yeah yeah it's a weird situation for sure it's definitely weird well it's also the the the the criticism that andrew tate has gotten about exploitation So supposedly he would get these girls to fall in love with them, and then he would get them to go and do this stuff for him.

[282] Yeah, it's wild how much content he has that exists from back then that he's so articulate and well -spoken when he speaks about it.

[283] But then some of those videos are so vulgar and whatnot that it's hard to, I can imagine the people who are, you know, very hard on them.

[284] You watch the old videos.

[285] It's pretty hard to side with them when you see those.

[286] Yes.

[287] Yeah.

[288] But also, you've got to think of what a person like that is trying to do when they're first getting attention.

[289] You're trying to be as outrageous as possible to get as much people to think about what you're saying and talk about what you're saying and engage with it.

[290] And the best way to do that is to be like a character and over the top, completely arrogant guy who's shirtless with sunglasses on, smoking a cigar, talking about hose.

[291] you know and pimping hose it's like is it a character or is it really you and then when you find out oh well no he actually does run these campsites and he does have these girls working for him okay but then some of the girls talk and go actually he's like really nice and he was kind and he gave me this business opportunity I want to making a lot of money with it and you're like oh okay this is complicated like how much of this is theater and how much of this is like if it's your real feelings that you know these women are subhuman human little robot flesh creatures that you just extract money from yeah yeah any interactions i've had with the guy before he was you know super famous and whatnot i've always been positive too like super nice guy very intelligent guy yeah super articulate extraordinarily intelligent yeah and you know his brother too yeah doesn't doesn't get as much credit but you know they're very very smart guys but boy but boy did they tap into there's this thing that's going on where men do not feel like there's anyone that represents men in popular culture.

[292] Like, what men actually talk about when they're alone, when men are just hanging out with men and not trying to impress women or trying to not get yelled at, the wild shit they talk about.

[293] And, you know, if you can be the most exaggerated form of that, this world champion kickboxers, standing there smoking a cigar, making fun of simps.

[294] and you know that's very appealing to admit because it doesn't exist yeah like if you're never going to see down on CNN or NBC or it's not no mainstream media platform is ever going to tap into this what is obviously a lucrative market young guys who don't want to be like their parents they don't want to be like their teachers they don't want to be like any of these people they see around them that seem neutered and pot -bellied and fucking depressing and it and talking about equity and inclusiveness.

[295] And they're like, Jesus, fucking Christ.

[296] And then they see this guy and like, oh, I like that guy.

[297] Yeah.

[298] No, he's definitely inspired discipline and taking action.

[299] And it's like a...

[300] Take responsibility for yourself.

[301] Yeah.

[302] So...

[303] I mean, it's like a more problematic version of like what Jocko does or different.

[304] You know what I mean?

[305] Yeah, yeah.

[306] But it's also, it's different.

[307] You know, because it's like, you know, he's in the, he really is in the pimping hose business.

[308] It's like, if you're running campsites like that, you're really, you know, farming those girls out to make shitloads of money for you.

[309] For a bunch of suckers.

[310] I can't even imagine what the life of an only fan's manager or something would be.

[311] There's got to be a lot of them.

[312] Oh, for sure.

[313] I assume.

[314] I know that there's a lot of people that they hire that manage the girls' DMs.

[315] So there's like companies, I guess Is this the case?

[316] I'm pretty, I've just been told this.

[317] There's got to be agencies that are, you know, turnkey.

[318] Yeah, we'll take care of it.

[319] I really got offered to be a recruiter for one of those.

[320] Oh, well.

[321] They wanted to use my verified account.

[322] I was like, what is going?

[323] Side hustle.

[324] I mean, that's sneaky, but what?

[325] What?

[326] So what do they want you to do?

[327] DM chicks to offer them like, you can be on only fans.

[328] I was like, oh God, Jamie.

[329] Do you know how bad that would turn out?

[330] Well, like, they don't fucking know that already.

[331] Like, why would I have to tell them?

[332] So if I could convince them to do it, yeah, the return is I get a kickback of their revenue.

[333] I just, like, I just remember that as you guys are talking about it.

[334] So when they contacted you, what did they say?

[335] Like, hey, Jamie, do you know a lot of girls that are willing to take their clothes on?

[336] Yeah, yeah.

[337] We've noticed your, it's one of these DMs I get from multiple accounts for various reasons.

[338] But, like, we've noticed your account.

[339] You're, you know, I have X amount of followers.

[340] You know, you could probably be doing this kind of stuff on Instagram.

[341] if you do you know and how much would they give you I don't remember I could check I feel like it was 10 20 % something like that that's lucrative yeah if you can get a bunch of really fucking I've heard these guys are making 50 % the managers do like they just split it that's surprise man that seems crazy they're not doing anything though the girls don't do anything besides make the content and then the managers are running the account they're not even just doing messages 70 % seems pretty high because without the girl you don't have anything I think lot of naivety around business operations though would definitely drive girls to think I don't want to deal with you know accounting yeah deal with this and I don't even know how so yeah by all means take 50 that's especially if someone can come to you with a pitch that says look you can do this and you can make $3 ,000 a month or you can do this with us and you can make $150 ,000 a month so yeah you'll get 50 % we'll get 50 % but it's a much higher number that you're going to be dealing and you're not going to get there on your own and we have this vast network and we can also introduce you through other girls like other girls are like this is my friend Cindy like you'll see them do that on their Instagram page follow her and then you know they're just like pumping each other up like comics would do like hey go see Mike he's playing at the ha ha I'm really funny guy yeah you know Cindy's got a great pussy check her out I wonder who the Joe Rogan of only fans chicks is there's got to be one yeah there's got to be like a ringleader of all Put some all on, put platforms 48 million last year, I think is what I read.

[342] Oh, not in that way, I guess.

[343] Yeah, different way, but she's the top of.

[344] Who is it?

[345] The rapper?

[346] Oh, wow.

[347] Jesus, $48 million?

[348] Yeah.

[349] God damn.

[350] So now you go, show your asshole, baby.

[351] I want a Ferrari.

[352] It's like for 48 million, like you better be.

[353] Well, also, you could just do that for three or four years, and you don't have to do shit for the rest of your life.

[354] Life.

[355] Izzy Azealia, the new queen of only fans, not even Cardi B, can match her racy content.

[356] Damn, she got a hot body.

[357] 48.

[358] There you go.

[359] 48 million.

[360] Good for her.

[361] Jesus.

[362] 45 for Cardi B. That's still pretty good.

[363] Here's the wild one.

[364] It's Taiga, who's a guy.

[365] Is this, like, self -reported, though?

[366] Like, how do they even get these figures?

[367] Dave's shown those.

[368] Most of these have come from them sharing the figure, like, online.

[369] They'll take a screenshot or something.

[370] But I don't know specifically each one.

[371] Scroll up, we can see the two of them.

[372] Oh, she's hot.

[373] I get it.

[374] It's like when you see, I don't know, like when you Google somebody's like net worth or something, it's like, you know, is that actually what it is?

[375] I feel like probably not.

[376] But that's right here.

[377] You can you say that.

[378] It says her net worth is 15, but she just made 40.

[379] Reportedly had a network prior to that.

[380] 48 million from the website were written a 320 % hike in our overall value.

[381] That's crazy.

[382] Wow.

[383] Wow.

[384] Yeah, I mean, it makes.

[385] sense if you're just a business person and especially if you're a celebrity in that world like the female rap world like what's the longevity of that you've you've got a few that hang in there but i mean how many like long -term rap females have been super successful i'm a little ignorant in that genre yeah i definitely don't follow it closely so i'm not sure either how's that tiger guy making all that money I would have to he's got me intrigued what do I have to do I don't I mean an extra 20 a year yeah that seems pretty insanely high for a dude who probably doesn't post like porn videos right like what have we we had one episode of the JRE only fans where we did it only in jockstraps how would that way probably would need a jockstrap camera maybe I don't know it would be like all gay guys you could say you're in a jockstrap right now nobody would know that's true that's true That's true.

[386] Women don't pay for guys, though.

[387] There's just like, there's, for Tyga, who's paying for him?

[388] I've only heard, there's a guy that's on the challenge.

[389] His name's Devin, this TV show on MTV, and he makes a lot of money doing that.

[390] But I think he said, yeah, it's just, it's all guys.

[391] I feel like unless there is, makes sense.

[392] Full -blown porn for gay dudes to buy, I would be very skeptical of 20 million.

[393] Even if he's like an A -List celebrity, like that seems insane.

[394] Is Tiga an A -List celeb?

[395] Like in the Kardashian world, so...

[396] He is?

[397] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[398] What does he look like?

[399] I don't know what A -list actually means, by the way.

[400] I don't know what it means anymore.

[401] It used to mean nothing.

[402] Yeah.

[403] It used to mean you are only movie stars.

[404] I think he might have been with Kendall.

[405] He's on the screen.

[406] That guy makes $20 million a year?

[407] He's had popular songs, but I would imagine $20 million in a year from OnlyFans.

[408] Do we have any examples of his OnlyFans content?

[409] You got to pay for that, bro.

[410] But there's got to be something.

[411] find on fucking Reddit.

[412] My understanding is they're pretty intense with making sure it stays off of behind the paywall.

[413] So it says he, this says he deleted his account.

[414] Oh, so his account is him and a bunch of chicks?

[415] That's what his thing is?

[416] Because it's like who's paying for that, you know?

[417] That's just like Instagram hype content.

[418] Well, if it's him and in a bunch of chicks, I could see how you can get guys to pay for that.

[419] Oh, is it?

[420] Oh, it's his rod.

[421] Hold up.

[422] Go back to that.

[423] Go back to that.

[424] I click too many things real fast.

[425] I didn't want to be staring at it.

[426] Go back to that.

[427] Maybe this one.

[428] Yeah.

[429] So he does show his cock.

[430] Well, assuming by this one picture.

[431] How do we not?

[432] And Reddit that it's also him.

[433] But that also could be a filter that makes his dick bigger.

[434] Yeah.

[435] I bet they have that.

[436] They have lip filters.

[437] For sure.

[438] They have filters for your eyes.

[439] You give you eyelashes.

[440] If girls are doing that, you'd be insane to not.

[441] do it.

[442] Yeah, you want to make some money or not, Tyga?

[443] Yeah.

[444] Get that dick filter running.

[445] Tyga starts OnlyFans model management company, and he's looking for clients.

[446] So he would also be incentivized to say he makes more from his own to exemplify how, you know, revenue driving he is.

[447] But are they allowing, like, self -declaration?

[448] Tommy Lee's got his cock out.

[449] Jesus.

[450] He's got that 60 -year -old fucking...

[451] He started this whole thing.

[452] Weathered cack.

[453] So Tommy Lee, joins only fans so Tommy Lee's showing his hog okay I guess you can kind of get away with that of your Tommy Lee yeah I guess I had a meeting with Tommy Lee once when he wanted to fight kid rock oh a buddy of mine is one of Tommy Lee's bodyguards okay Tommy wants to meet you I'm like okay so I go to one of their concerts when they when they were doing that show rock star supernova do you remember rock star supernova no when was that it was like a television show where they put together a band they like made a band okay and Tommy Lee was a part of it who else was in that was that really handsome guy Dave Navarro wasn't he in that too um I don't know but Tommy Lee Lee was a part of it right the pictures I don't oh there's their names so Lucas Rossi Gilby Clark Tommy Lee Johnny Colt Jason News said for Metallica yeah so they had this thing so anyway we went to the concert good show and then afterwards I got to meet Tommy and Tommy was like I want to fight Kid Rock to kick his fucking ass because like Kid Rock dated Pamela Anderson and Tommy used to be married to Pamela Anderson so they had so they were trying to set up a fight like Kid Rock and Tommy Lee in a fight so what were you going to do I was going to like introduce him to trainers and I just wanted to he asked he just wanted to talk to me about I did not know what he wanted to talk about and so then when I got there I was like hmm Okay.

[454] What do you, what's your lifestyle?

[455] Like, how committed are you to, like, how much can you train?

[456] Like, how much time do you think you need to prepare?

[457] Like, do you have any experience at all in combat sports?

[458] Like, do you just think you're going to kick his ass because you hate him?

[459] You know?

[460] And kid rock, like, I don't put my money on that motherfucker.

[461] Like, he seems, he seems like a guy who's hit people in the head with a rock before.

[462] So who, uh, why didn't that happen?

[463] Oh, I don't know.

[464] A lot of people, there's a lot of those things that people talk.

[465] about that never actually take place because like the reality of it Elon versus duck I was supposed to fight um Wesley Snipes oh yeah yeah that was real like those lawyers in negotiation I was training twice a day for six months that was fucking hard I was so tired all the time and I only got like a taste of what it's like to you know to train like an MMA fighter because I was I was training knowing that the fight was eventually going to take place so I was building up a base.

[466] So I was kickboxing every morning, and then I was doing jiu -jitsu every night, and I was doing it for six months.

[467] So why did it fall through?

[468] I think because he knew I was going to kill him.

[469] I think in the beginning he thought that he would be able to stuff takedowns, and he would kick my ass, and then he found out, no, I'm a taekwondo champion.

[470] I'm a kickboxer.

[471] I'm way better at standing up than I am on the ground.

[472] And then I don't know what happened, but there was a bunch of different demands, like at First, it was going to be 50 -50, and then, you know, he wanted it to be 60, 40, and I'd agreed to everything.

[473] I said, just, and then finally it was like, okay, give me just this amount of money and give him whatever the fuck else you want.

[474] I'm like, I'm going to fucking strangle that guy.

[475] Like, let me get a hold of him.

[476] And it never happened.

[477] But I just wanted to do, I just like, this would be a perfect thing to do.

[478] Like, he's never fought never made before.

[479] I've never done it before.

[480] This would be fun and it'll make a lot of money.

[481] And just, I just, the idea of this guy who had never had any competitive.

[482] to fights at all ever that he thought he could do that like okay like you're not going to know what that feels like i might have done it a long time ago but i've done it i know what that feels like when the referee's looking at you are you ready and then that's a moment that if you've never experienced that moment ever in your life and the bell goes ding and you're like oh shit is this real there's just going to be too much weirdness for him to process you know and i guess it wouldn't be good to have that uh blemish on his uh history just no no i just you know i think he was doing a lot of blow if i had a guess because he was in a bad situation where he owed a lot of taxes and um he had some advisor those like you know one of those dudes that tells you you know it's unconstitutional to pay taxes look right here there's a few of those guys out there that will get you convinced that you know they're not going to prosecute you because then then it'll have to be revealed the taxes are against the constitution and there's a there's a lot of wacky people that people fall under the you know the influence of unfortunately and he wound up going to jail oh geez yeah he went up going to jail for tax evasion damn dude what's time do wesley's times doing jail with the taxes are a weird one right because if you owe taxes like if they find that you you don't just pay them back they put you in a cage yeah did it to Lauren hill from the Fugis.

[483] Dude, it's like the most odd.

[484] Yeah.

[485] Here it goes.

[486] Snipes is convicted on misdemeanor charges of willful failure to file federal income tax returns in 2008 was sentenced to three years in prison.

[487] After an unsuccessful appeal, he served 28 months in federal prison.

[488] God damn.

[489] I think Shakira is also dealing with something like that right now.

[490] Yeah, I think she got off, though.

[491] Not really?

[492] Didn't something happen where she won her case?

[493] I think that's, was that in Spain?

[494] Yeah, something like that.

[495] It's like, I wonder what, like, getting off, like, even entails in that.

[496] Because if they determined you owed a bunch of money and haven't paid, how do you, you just did, and they didn't catch it somehow?

[497] Right.

[498] How much paperwork do you have?

[499] She struck a deal.

[500] She struck a deal.

[501] A lot of money to pay.

[502] Oh, damn.

[503] Yeah.

[504] Accepted the charges.

[505] She accepted the charges and a fine of 50 % of the amount owed more than 7 .3 million.

[506] Is that pounds?

[507] What is that little mark?

[508] Euros.

[509] So she got to not pay taxes and then paid half the amount.

[510] How does that make sense?

[511] I don't know.

[512] And an extra 500.

[513] Oh, you just pay an extra of $438K and you don't have to go to prison.

[514] Yeah.

[515] That's got to be unique to where she is, I would think, right?

[516] Yeah, I think in America, they try to make an example of people, especially famous people.

[517] Hey, kids, pay your fucking taxes.

[518] The IRS does not fuck around.

[519] Yeah.

[520] And it's a, they're a shady institution.

[521] They, they go after you.

[522] Yeah.

[523] Have you ever had a situation that was like, fuck, I need to get an accountant?

[524] No. Usually there's some sort of, like from day one, you're pretty dialed.

[525] I've had a business manager for 25 years.

[526] Oh, damn.

[527] Yeah.

[528] Luckily.

[529] Yeah, I've always wondered how you oversee so much stuff or if you just have, like, how you built the team under you.

[530] Yeah, you have to have people.

[531] You have to have real people that really know what they're.

[532] the fuck they're doing, that do this for a lot of other, you know, high -income people.

[533] Yeah.

[534] Yeah, they know what they're doing.

[535] They make sure you pay all your fucking taxes and you don't have to think about it.

[536] And you don't, that is the last place you want to be is in the hole to the government.

[537] When you're in the hold of the IRS, they start auditing you and find out you've been lying about this.

[538] Or, you know, maybe you've been deducting things you can't deduct.

[539] Like, shh -you -stark, you start going up your ass with a microscope is not good.

[540] And if they find out that you did willfully not pay taxes like Snipes, they fucking put you in jail, man. And they do it to make an example out of you.

[541] Because if you're a famous person like, you know, Lauren Hill or someone like that, how long did she go away for?

[542] I think she did a year.

[543] Oh, geez.

[544] Yeah, it's crazy, man. They'll take fucking superstars.

[545] And I don't know what her deal was.

[546] If it was a similar situation where someone had told her she doesn't have to pay taxes.

[547] Because, like, you would think that people that are making millions of dollars, well, you'd have to have some sophisticated people around you.

[548] But that's not the case.

[549] No. It's like...

[550] Often not.

[551] Here it is.

[552] Federal judge's sentenced Lawrence Hill to three months in prison and three more in house arrest for failing to pay taxes on close to a million dollars in earnings.

[553] Damn.

[554] Which is crazy because she could have easily made that million dollars back for the government.

[555] And they're like, no, go to jail.

[556] Jesus.

[557] go to jail so how do you vet because obviously you have some of the financial advising people that will tell you weird tax strategies and things that are sketchy like how do you vet that dude 25 years ago who has been great i got very fortunate he's very conservative he doesn't fuck around at all he's like you don't want that smoke you want to pay your fucking taxes you know he does everything by the book you know and they're really good and they've been around forever.

[558] It's like that's what you need.

[559] It's like you would think athletes at the highest level of the game wouldn't be involved in shady gym bros that might be handing them stuff that's going to pop for USADA.

[560] But yet it happens all the time.

[561] Yeah.

[562] All the time.

[563] There's a lot of weird guys that wind up being sick of fans and hang out in camp that could tell you, you know, this stuff, they're using it in Holland and no one can test for it in America.

[564] And you're like, oh, no one can test for it.

[565] The next thing you're taking it.

[566] Anything about this that just was going on right in the background of stuff that's very important in life?

[567] I did hear about it, but I didn't hear the detail.

[568] So it says Glenn Big Baby Davis convicted an NBA insurance fraud scheme.

[569] And what was the scheme?

[570] My understanding, without getting too into details, is that once these players, not graduate, but when they retire, they're still afforded some sort of...

[571] Pension?

[572] It's part of the pension, I guess.

[573] and based off of how they go and file things, they get payments for certain levels of whatever it is, doctors, dentists, whatever it is.

[574] Fraudulent invoices were created over X amount of years, and they were just taking the money, I guess.

[575] And then they like, I guess a few players got wrapped up into it, but I remember reading about it.

[576] It was just like $1 ,500 here, $2 ,000 here.

[577] And it just adds up.

[578] Yeah.

[579] But these are guys that, you know, You know, NBA champions made millions of dollars.

[580] The thing is you make those millions of dollars and then your career's over.

[581] And you're like, oh, shit.

[582] Yeah.

[583] And you got this lifestyle and you got a house and a big mortgage and a Rolls Royce or something.

[584] You're like, oh.

[585] Yeah, I can just, how many pro athletes do you know that have, you know, been crushing it and then got weighing over their head with lifestyle?

[586] A lot.

[587] I know a lot of fighters like that.

[588] And with fighters, it's also you're compounding.

[589] the issue of traumatic brain injury because one of the things that happens with people that have been hit in the head a bunch is they become very impulsive they make risky decisions they gamble a lot they're real something gets knocked loose that's a real thing it happens with football players it happens with a lot of fighters and those people they lose their impulse control it's part of getting hit in the head a lot it makes you a little bit more reckless which is really wild damn yeah so they if anyone needs that high level advancement it's those guys but they would also need someone that they would be willing to listen to right because a lot of these people are also very headstrong you know strong strong egos they've been doing it their own way they become champions that way and to like adjust that shift in the way you think and say oh I'm kind of a fuck up I'm a little while with my mom I need someone to invest my money and then find something someone's willing to do it when your career is already at this point where, hey, in three years from now, you're going to be making zero money.

[590] Like, if you're a 36 -year -old fighter, for example, and you're competing in the UFC, the odds of you being competing in the UFC in three years are so low, there's only a few guys.

[591] There's guys like Jan Bojovich, who's a world champion in his 40s, Glover Tashara, world champion in his 40s.

[592] Like, most fighters, by the Time 40 rolls around, like Daniel Cormier is another example, rare, very rare to be elite at that age.

[593] Most of those guys are done.

[594] And when I see a fighter and I see like a guy who's like on the way up 28 and he's fighting a guy who is established at 36, I'm like, ooh, this might be the one because this might be the time with the wheels fall off.

[595] Because all those years of punishment on the body, you never know what's going on with injuries.

[596] Like, it could be a neck and a back, a hip, a knee, something that fucks with them, it's not enable them to train properly.

[597] They can't make specific movements when they want to because it's painful.

[598] So even though they look good and they're fighting, they might be compromised, like, pretty significantly.

[599] Yeah.

[600] There's guys that fight and they have fucking bulging discs in her neck that are giving them, like, nerve pains in their hands.

[601] And if they get caught in a guillotine, they're fucked.

[602] Yeah, didn't you, uh, you said recently Usman, his knee.

[603] are just destroyed absolutely decimated destroyed yeah we were talking about yesterday with Daniel if you if you see the difference between Usman's upper body he looks like a Greek god yeah and then you get down to his lower body there's almost no muscle tone they're thin legs they're they're tiny legs and a lot of that is because he can't do anything with him his knees are bone on bone his cartilage is worn out he almost no meniscus they're just destroyed he has to walk backwards downstairs damn dude yeah and he's a world champion.

[604] Has he tried?

[605] I'm assuming he's done like pretty much everything.

[606] You probably sent him down to.

[607] Yeah, he's gone to Columbia, got stem cells.

[608] But the problem is, and it's a big problem with these athletes, is that if you do get, like my friend Shane Dorian, do you know he is?

[609] Yeah.

[610] Big wave surfer.

[611] Shane just went down to Tijuana to the CPI, which is a great place to get stem cells in Mexico.

[612] He went down there and they told him once you have this procedure, so he got a bunch of injections directly into the discs of his back to to mitigate disc degeneration disease, which is just essentially like compression of your body, smashing down the discs.

[613] They told him you're not doing anything for eight weeks, nothing.

[614] So for a guy like him, it's like super fit and very active is like, what can I do?

[615] You can walk.

[616] You have to give these cells time to actually do their work.

[617] And if you're constantly putting stress on those joints after they've had stem cells, you just completely aggravating all these pre -existing injuries and conditions.

[618] And stem cells are never going to get a chance to do their job.

[619] Like, you've got to give this tissue a chance to re -proliferate.

[620] You've got to give your body a chance to heal.

[621] And it's got, they have to go to work.

[622] And if you're constantly beating your body up during that process, it's not going to work.

[623] You recently had it done and you're taking how much, you have to do the same thing, eight weeks off.

[624] Yeah, you have to, you, if you're doing something like that you, have like a pretty significant injury like I would imagine this is the the longest I've heard anybody be asked to take off and that's I think because they're going into his discs but I had a torn MCL on my left knee and uh I got stem cells in it and then like a few weeks later I was training hard again like kicking the bag and doing moitai and kicking pads and it just kept getting it kept flaring up it just what and then I said okay I see what the fuck is going on here and I know how hard headed I am I got to take a year off of moitai And I took a whole year.

[625] One year, I didn't kick at all.

[626] And all I did is those knees over toes guys things and stem cells.

[627] And now it's great.

[628] But I had to give it that time.

[629] I was just always re -agravating the same injury.

[630] It would get a little bit better to the point where it didn't hurt anymore.

[631] And then when you're throwing kicks, the amount of torque that is on those joints, when you're going full power, you're taking the mass of your body.

[632] which in my case is 200 pounds you're exploding off the ground and then you're slamming your shin into this hard pad over and over and over and over again it's just brutal punishment on your joints if you've got some sort of a compromise if something's wrong there what was the recent treatment you had done like what was it for I had it done just a couple days ago because I have I think what is overuse I think it's probably like some sort of tendinitis in my lower back and it's from archery it's from you know when you're pulling a bow back i have two bows one is uh 80 pounds to pull back and one is 90 and so i'm pulling 80 or 90 pounds 150 times a day damn over and over and over again so it's this motion where my right arm pulls back and i'm anchoring in and then i'm locking it down and a lot of that stability and locking it down and like maintain your posture is in my right lower back.

[633] That's where, like, everything sort of, like, balances out.

[634] That's, like, the fulcrum or the point where all the stress of my upper back and my legs meet, and that's what kind of keeps the stable.

[635] And that was getting overused to the point where I would draw my bow back.

[636] And I could do it a few times.

[637] And then, like, on the 10th time, the 11th time, it would start to flare up.

[638] And it was becoming an issue.

[639] So I got some stem cell shot into that.

[640] So do you have to take how much time off of the bow now?

[641] I have to take some time off.

[642] I'll take a couple weeks off.

[643] Okay.

[644] But I have an easy bow, too.

[645] I have one bow that I keep at the studio that's only 60 pounds.

[646] And so that one doesn't seem to bother me. So I could do that.

[647] It's just like as soon as something bothers me, I stop.

[648] And then I'm doing the ice bass and I'm rolling it out.

[649] I'm shooting BPC 157 in there.

[650] And it's better.

[651] It's already pretty significantly better.

[652] Nice.

[653] Yeah.

[654] Yeah, that's, uh, is that, so part of your daily routine is like 150 shots.

[655] No, no, no, no, no, no, no. You said every day, you're 100 to 150.

[656] Oh, yo, shots with the error.

[657] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yes, yes.

[658] I thought you might have DPC 157.

[659] That would be insane.

[660] No, no, yeah, every day is like 100, at least 100 shots.

[661] So that's just here, or where do you?

[662] I have a range here at the studio, that's an indoor range, and then I have at my house, I have an outdoor range.

[663] You got to show me around after.

[664] I don't think I've ever even seen, though.

[665] You know?

[666] Oh yeah, we got a great gym.

[667] It's like a real gym gym.

[668] Yeah, yeah.

[669] That you would like pay a membership for.

[670] Is it?

[671] It's pretty dope.

[672] Public or?

[673] No, no. I'm assuming.

[674] Comedians and my security staff are the only ones who use it.

[675] And so it's like, you know, I've been doing these comedian workouts where I take these guys that, you know, they've been talking about it for a while.

[676] They don't work out at all.

[677] And I'm like, look, come down, we'll have a fun time, we'll laugh around a bit and we'll, I'll start you off real light.

[678] I started them out with just buy.

[679] body weight exercises like we're going to do.

[680] I do like a series of 100 pushups and 100 body weight squats every day.

[681] And what I do is that's how I warm up from my cold plunge.

[682] So I start the cold plunge.

[683] That's the first thing I do.

[684] And then I do once I'm done with 100 body weight squats and 100 pushups, then I can start working out because I'm pretty warm by then.

[685] And then I'll start doing my other stuff.

[686] And so what I would do with these guys is I would start them out with the body weight squats and the pushups.

[687] And I'm like, don't, you don't have to do sets of 20.

[688] I'm like, if you could do five, if you could do 10, do five because we're going to do five sets.

[689] And so you'll wind up doing 25 pushups and you wind up doing 25 bodyweight squats, which is not a lot, but I'm just trying to build them on a base.

[690] And then I had them doing very light kettlebells, you know, like 10 kilograms and you're doing swings.

[691] And, you know, I'm teaching them how to rack and cleans and presses.

[692] And then I worked them into windmills.

[693] And then once I got them going for a little, and then one day the rock came, so we had a serious workout.

[694] And I'm like, just everybody try to keep up, but we're going to get after it today.

[695] Who chooses what?

[696] Me. Me. So the Rock does your...

[697] Yeah, he did my workout.

[698] Yeah, which is cool to see him do because he, you know, I think what he mostly does is stuff that generate size.

[699] I think he does a lot of machines.

[700] Yeah, it seems like a very bodybuilding focus.

[701] And longevity for his joints and whatnot because he's in his 50s now.

[702] And he did football, pro wrestling for years.

[703] I mean, it beats your fucking buddy.

[704] Out of all those guys that are retired pro wrestling, He is unquestionably in the best condition like he's not like Hulk Hogan comes in.

[705] He's he's got a crutch You know and he's fucked up.

[706] He's got to walk with a cane his back he's had like seven I think he lost Four or five inches of height due to back surgeries Because they're just fusing all his you got a thing you got a little space in between each spinal column and then that goes away That goes away that goes away so everything is compressed and then that creates all sorts of problems in your body because everything's kind of out of a line now and then your back is one stiff rod because everything's fused it's fucked but the rocks avoided all that like he's in pretty good he's not that mobile like we had him doing like windmills you know what a windmill is he clean press with a kettlebell and then you go down like this with your hand all the way down to the ground and then all the way back up that was a struggle for him oh he's pretty tall too yeah he's huge dude But he's just, he's doing mostly like bench press, squats.

[707] He's doing things with machines, leg curls, leg extensions.

[708] I think he does a lot of machine stuff, which is probably the safest way to do that shit.

[709] Does he usually train on his own with no workout partner?

[710] Yeah, he does.

[711] It seems like every video he's like in a gym that's like been propped up somewhere.

[712] And it's still like all the equipment is there, but there's no one there.

[713] And it's like a mobile facility, I guess.

[714] Yeah, that's what he does.

[715] I mean, he has that, and then he has this enormous place at his house.

[716] Yeah, so it's all, see it, it's all machines.

[717] I mean, it does have some dumbbells, but the vast majority of it is utilizing is, you know, machines, which, you know, you really can't get strong and you really can't get big with those.

[718] Yeah.

[719] But what those things don't seem to do is allow for coordination through use of movement that would give you functional strength.

[720] Yeah, yeah.

[721] A lot of it is you become very limited in your ability to do actual athletic maneuvers too.

[722] Like even when I first started bodybuilding, I was teaching swimming lessons and was a lifeguard.

[723] And I would go to, I had to teach the kids certain different kinds of strokes and whatnot.

[724] And my backstroke in particular, the mobility of my shoulder and actually being able to get it past my ear even.

[725] It was like I was like smashing my head with my delt.

[726] And I couldn't even like keep a straight arm because I was.

[727] It was so inflexible, and it was, that was the first time I noticed, damn, this is really limiting.

[728] Yeah.

[729] Like, you become athletic looking and, like, you could do things at a high level because you just, you look good objectively, but the actual athletic performance capacity is dramatically hindered if you don't focus on that stuff.

[730] Well, certainly with bodybuilding, right?

[731] I mean, if you see those guys that are competing in the Mr. Olympia, I can't imagine that there's much that they can do.

[732] Yeah, like that Tom Havland guy.

[733] Oh, yeah, yeah, he's a great example of jacked as fuck, huge, and does a lot of, like, functional type stuff.

[734] Yes.

[735] Yeah.

[736] What is his deal?

[737] Yeah, he's an interesting character for sure.

[738] Yeah.

[739] I think he's former special forces.

[740] He kind of, I think he used to compete in certain strength events, powerlifting potentially.

[741] there is some videos on YouTube from a long time ago and his face is actually showing which a lot of people don't know about but yeah he's like 6 -8, 350 right now I think Yeah he's trying to get to 400 pounds That was his thing Yeah I think he did before I don't know if he's still trying to get the 400 But yeah the guy is a fucking freak show for sure A real freak show Yeah and he's like it's his equipment It's like you don't even know where it came from It's like is this a fucking piece of like railroad equipment I know a lot of it's like shit he built And what's really crazy is most of the stuff he's wearing work boots and like a fucking lumberjack shirt or some shit.

[742] Like look at this.

[743] Like how odd is it that he wears all these clothes while he trains?

[744] Yeah, like there's definitely a, I wouldn't want to work out in jeans personally.

[745] Right.

[746] That would be the last thing I don't want to wear.

[747] Like why is he doing that?

[748] I don't know.

[749] What is the mentality about?

[750] Like I guess it's got to be you just like the way it looks, man, I guess.

[751] Because it's certainly not for function or comfort or anything.

[752] Right.

[753] Like, why is he wearing work boots?

[754] Why is he wearing jeans?

[755] I mean, why is he never show his face?

[756] It's like the ultimate blue collar, you know.

[757] This one's wild.

[758] He carries a log while he's got offset weight.

[759] So the chain is wrapped around his right arm and then he's dragging 100 pounds behind him.

[760] When Goggins ask who's going to carry the boats and logs, I show them this guy.

[761] I mean, what a strange thing to do But he also is a big advocate of carrying things Like one of the things he said If you want to get strong Take something heavy and carry it around Yeah, yeah And it's like stuff that actually would translate Into you know, real life Yeah, look at this shit This guy will carry your groceries, bro I mean this is insane This farmers carry He's like, how much weight is that 410 pounds Farmers carry Yeah What's that, Jamie?

[762] Each hand four and ten?

[763] It says, Farmers walk with 800 Oh my God Now look at that Look at those Those are not weights Those are like gears Like what are those things That he's got on the sides He's got like One plate And then the other thing looks like a gear So everything he does Is like these really awkward movements but then he supplements that with traditional stuff like Zertr's squads, deadlifts Yeah, I don't know why he's I think his Instagram's private now too Yeah I don't know Burned or intake intake Today's calories 6 ,389 Jeez Louise Which is like you know For his size yeah I can believe it 100 % he's fucking 69 or whatever he is Yeah I don't understand his like branding though around the whole don't show my face private Instagram like I don't know what it is because like obviously the posts are to document progress and or inspire people or bring attention to programs or something but then it's like I don't know maybe he got a lot of harassment or something now you get to see him with a shirt off oh there we go fucking guys the house gee look at the size of that motherfucker I think that's why he wears all those clothes that's very distracting from what he's doing if he's just trying to show you how strong he is you just like look how like look at this he's doing an axle with two wheels on it yeah like what imagine just driving by and seeing this guy just walking around in the fucking field yeah carrying logs and shit yeah look at he's got two wheels on each side he's doing these shrugs very strange stuff yeah he's pulling things with his neck I mean he literally looks like a superhero yeah yeah I'm what is his jailhouse strong is that does he have programs that you can buy I think I think so because he's got a website because that's one of things that he ever says book series what is it go to it I'm trying to do everything I want so long no worries no frills training gas station ready Amazon selling book series jail how strong well Instagram Is Jailhouse Strong a website?

[764] You go to Jailhousestrong .com?

[765] It's just like a Facebook profile.

[766] Go to Jailhousestrong .com, see if there's a website.

[767] Peril.

[768] Okay.

[769] So Jail How Strong is just his apparel.

[770] It's all him.

[771] It's all his giant back.

[772] I guess so.

[773] Yeah.

[774] It's definitely not overly promotional, though.

[775] No. I wouldn't even know that he has anything.

[776] Yeah, that's what's really strange about it.

[777] It's like, what is he doing?

[778] I don't know.

[779] Yeah, I don't know, man. He's getting people to talk about it.

[780] For sure.

[781] Maybe that's part of the mystique.

[782] Brian Callen sent it to me first.

[783] He goes, you need to see this freak.

[784] Yeah.

[785] And he goes, you're Tom Haviland?

[786] I go, no. He just reads me all the details of, like, how big this guy is, and all of his videos of him from behind, lifting insane amounts of weight.

[787] Oh, geez.

[788] I feel like every year I'm going to be asking the same question as Brian Callen on TRT yet.

[789] Not yet.

[790] Oh, my God.

[791] I don't get it.

[792] He's falling apart.

[793] He's waiting to die.

[794] Literally.

[795] I don't understand it.

[796] He claims his testosterone's fine.

[797] Oh, really?

[798] Okay.

[799] Okay.

[800] I don't know who he's going to.

[801] Certain friends listen and certain friends are stubborn and they just don't listen.

[802] And they're like, okay, do whatever you want to do.

[803] With all these comedian guys, I was telling them forever, as long as they would listen.

[804] I'm like, if you have more energy, you'll be able to do more things in your life.

[805] Like, forget about what you look like, but you will most certainly look better if you lift weights and work out and eat well.

[806] But maybe more importantly, you'll have more energy for everything you do in life, including go on stage.

[807] Like, I'm 56 years old.

[808] I still do two shows a night, Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday.

[809] That's six hours of comedy in three days.

[810] And I don't get that hard.

[811] I'm fine, because I'm fit.

[812] I eat well.

[813] I'm healthy.

[814] I'm like, I have energy.

[815] Like, you don't have energy.

[816] Like, you guys get tired doing one show.

[817] What's your current, I don't know, like supplementation and or, like, drugs for, you know, staying dialed or mentally sharp?

[818] Or is there, is it just perfect diet or?

[819] Well, for supplementation, I've recently had Gary Brecker on the podcast.

[820] Oh, yeah.

[821] And I started taking all the different methylated vitamins and things that he recommends.

[822] I just started doing it.

[823] I can't tell.

[824] I feel great.

[825] but I can't tell if it's been an improvement.

[826] I also ordered one of his light beds, which seemed Dana White's face looks like he's 10 years younger.

[827] And there's a thing that happened to him that happens to everyone when you lose body fat.

[828] I notice when I get on the carnivore diet like your cheeks get kind of sucked in and you kind of look like shit because it's like you don't have face fat anymore which kind of fills your face out more.

[829] So your face starts getting kind of sunken in.

[830] His face did that at first and then it plumped up again.

[831] And I'm like, what's going on with that?

[832] And he's like, it's the red light bed.

[833] Like, the red light bed increases collagen in your skin, and you use it every day.

[834] And he uses it.

[835] He's got a routine that Gary Brecker does.

[836] What does he call it?

[837] The superhuman protocol something?

[838] I forget what he calls it.

[839] Is Dana still, like, I'm pretty sure he was on a keto diet when he was dieting down.

[840] Is he still on keto?

[841] He says he's going to be on that forever.

[842] He's like, dude, I feel so good.

[843] I have so much energy and so much mental clarity because I'm staying keto forever.

[844] He hasn't added carbs cyclically around working on me?

[845] Because that would definitely be like, he's holding less water in his face too when you have no carbs.

[846] Right.

[847] So that would be a big, you know, suck out of there.

[848] Yeah.

[849] Well, that's what happened with me for sure.

[850] When I got on the carnivore diet, that's one of the things I lost a shitload of body fat.

[851] Like, I got really ripped, like, pretty easily.

[852] I'm like, this is kind of extraordinary.

[853] And also, the thing that's the most beneficial to me is the mental focus and clarity, which I did.

[854] I mean, I did it once before in like four or five years ago.

[855] I did it for a month and I lost 12 pounds.

[856] But I kind of always went off it on it, eat pizza, have pasta, you know, one or two days a week, I'll fuck off.

[857] But I've been really good at it for the last couple months.

[858] Like I had a slice of pizza last night and then on Saturday night I had some sushi.

[859] The majority of my diet, though, and that's rare.

[860] I won't do that again for another month or so.

[861] The majority of my diet is all just meat and eggs and gain.

[862] meat and bacon and it's it's all just healthy fat i'll still eat avocados and avocado oil and i'll occasionally have a piece of fruit but the vast majority of my diet is just animal based so you don't like i feel like what last time i was here we were talking about like fruit and adding it in around your workouts and whatnot like is that sometimes i'll still do that i'll have like a banana before i work out okay but it's not every day it's like once a week something like that like or i'll have like berries and yogurt but most of my food is animal -based and when I do that I have a 100 % recognition that there's an extra gear that I have mentally like when I do the pot one that when I first started doing it again I remember I came home once from my club and I was a little drunk and I was like I can't drink every night at this fucking club like it's just too it's too fun I'm hanging out with these comedians we're at the bar we're all laughing you know Does anybody want to get a shot?

[863] All right, do a shot.

[864] And then I get home, I'm like, God damn, I've got to clean my act up.

[865] And I'm like, you know what?

[866] I really need to go back to that carnivore diet because that's when I felt my best.

[867] So I go back to it.

[868] And then within two weeks, I notice a clear difference in my mental clarity.

[869] And this is someone with me who already takes, I take this alpha brain black label.

[870] I take neurogum.

[871] I'm already taking things and enhance my focus.

[872] But this is a difference, like a noticeable difference.

[873] And so that's when I do.

[874] decided, okay, this is how I'm going to eat from now on, because this just seems to be for sure the way my body optimizes performance.

[875] There's no other thing that I do that has that big of an impact.

[876] Yeah, that's, when you wake up, is it like your waking energy levels or heightened too?

[877] Or is it just a stability of those that don't wildly fluctuate throughout the day and they stay constant?

[878] Yeah, it's the stability.

[879] I'm always tired when I wake up.

[880] But then I get in the Coal plunge and I wake right the fuck up.

[881] There's nothing.

[882] It's like the on switch.

[883] When you wake up in the morning and, you know, and I always, I'll look at my phone.

[884] I'll fucking pet the dog.

[885] I'm trying to put it off.

[886] Do you still have the mental battles in the morning?

[887] Yeah.

[888] Yeah.

[889] I mean, I always win, but they're there every fucking day.

[890] Every day when I get up to that cold plunge, I'm like, should I listen to music?

[891] Maybe I'll listen to music this time.

[892] And then I'll get my, I'll go, I'll go get my headphones.

[893] So then I get my AirPods and then what song do I listen to it?

[894] So it's all procrastination.

[895] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[896] But then once you get in there, all that shit's bullshit.

[897] And then you're just freezing your dick off for three minutes.

[898] Fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck.

[899] And today it was just covered in ice.

[900] I'm just pushing the ice aside and climbing in.

[901] But when I get out after three minutes, it's just this rush of endorphins.

[902] It's you just feel fucking amazing.

[903] You feel great.

[904] And then my mind's firing and then I'm in a great mood.

[905] I just got to get through it.

[906] Do you still train right after?

[907] Yes.

[908] Okay.

[909] Today I didn't because today I was up really late last night.

[910] Like a bunch of people.

[911] Like Daniel Cormier came to the club last night, Gordon Ryan and my friend Anthony from the UFC and there was just like a shit, Michael Bisping was there.

[912] So we were all at the bar until like 2 o 'clock in the morning.

[913] We were all just laughing and having fun.

[914] So I came home and then I had some food, watched a little YouTube.

[915] but I didn't get to bed until like 4 .30.

[916] So I woke up at 11, just got in the cold plunge, did whatever shit I had to do to the house and then made it to the studio today.

[917] But today's the rare day where I didn't work out right after the cold plunge.

[918] What's like a typical day in the life is it like wake up, cold plunge, workout, then eat something in podcast?

[919] Or like, okay.

[920] Yeah.

[921] And then after that.

[922] Yeah, I mean, usually my first meal is at noon.

[923] You know, usually my first meal.

[924] I'm generally waking up in the morning, saying goodbye to my kids, getting the cold plunge, starting my workout routine, and then my workout routine is always followed by sauna.

[925] So cold plunge starts it off.

[926] I heat my body back up through bodyweight squats and push -ups, and then depending upon the day, I create my own routines.

[927] And I found that that's the best way to do it for me, where I know, like, I write it all down on a whiteboard.

[928] and then I know like what I have been doing and I know like okay I'm doing pretty well with this weight let's ramp this weight up a little bit let's change the reps let's add in these let's add in one or two extra you know kettlebell movements to this routine you know and so I'm working out for an hour and a half or so and then when that's over I do the sauna for 20 to 25 minutes and then I eat is that typically here like you come here typically here or when I'm doing these comedian boot camp things, when I'm bringing the comics in.

[929] So what I do is I'll tell them, don't try to keep up with me. I want you to just do, like, can you do a chin up?

[930] Okay, if you can do a chin up, I want you to do one chin up.

[931] If you can do three chin -ups, I want you to do two.

[932] Just do two, stop.

[933] I'm going to give you like five minutes of rest, and then we're going to do dips.

[934] I'm trying to, like, get them through these routines where they're not, like, struggling to pick up a fork the next day.

[935] So, you know, I started incorporating the torque sled.

[936] Do you ever use that?

[937] No, no. I think's fucking fantastic.

[938] We have a 40 -yard strip of AstroTurf, and then we have this torque sled.

[939] And it's a resistance base.

[940] It's a really phenomenal sled because you don't have to put weight on it.

[941] Oh, nice.

[942] You just reach down and crank the gears up.

[943] Oh, that's way better.

[944] So you could put up a tremendous amount of resistance on it.

[945] So it's really hard to push, and then we push it all the way down, and then we pull it all the way back.

[946] Yeah, finding a, I would like to do sled, but public gyms often, it's, uh, you're that guy when you're like walking through the fucking middle of the entire walkway.

[947] Right.

[948] So there's only so much you can do with the flexibility on that.

[949] But, um, yeah, I would like to do it at some point.

[950] Yeah, you kind of almost have to take the sled out into the parking lot or something.

[951] A place to do it.

[952] I used to do it in my yard.

[953] I had one that I would do outside.

[954] Just I would, uh, strap this, uh, weight thing around my waist, uh, weight belt.

[955] and clip the cord to the sled, and then I would stack, like, you know, like 90 pounds on the sled, and then just do a lot of it's doing it backwards.

[956] So I'd pull it backwards, which is really good for your knees.

[957] That's like what Ben Patrick, the Knee Over Toes guy, what he recommends.

[958] So I would do that a lot.

[959] But then I got the torque sled.

[960] It's just so much better.

[961] Yeah, I might...

[962] That thing's the shit.

[963] Because you can change the gearing.

[964] And so, like, for a lighter person, you can make a little bit easier.

[965] and then if you really want to go hard you could crank that bitch way the fuck up and it's fucking hard to do yeah I might start doing a reverse it's like reverse treadmill walking that's my favorite this way yeah reverse treadmill walking is great too apparently it's like maybe it's not as good as this obviously but it's like I've had Patelor tendonitis for years and I've kind of just like left it essentially and the knees over toe stuff that's kind of like the next best alternative to sled work It seems like.

[966] Yeah.

[967] So I should.

[968] Yeah, the knees over toe stuff is great.

[969] I do, like with my body weight squats, I do them on a slant board.

[970] Oh, nice.

[971] So my knee's going way down, and I'm going all the way, you know, ass to heels and all the way back up.

[972] And it's made a giant difference in my ability, because when I go elk hunting, my ability to move around through the woods, my legs have gotten way bigger just from doing that every day.

[973] But also I add, you know, like goblet squats with kettlebells.

[974] I'm doing lunges.

[975] I'm adding a bunch of other things to it, but the consistent one every day is the body weight squats.

[976] Not a day goes by where I'm not doing 100 body weight squats and 100 push -ups.

[977] Because it's pretty easy to do.

[978] It takes 10 minutes.

[979] You could just do it.

[980] Just force yourself to do it.

[981] Who do you think it's the most improved comedian body composition -wise?

[982] Zero of them.

[983] They still eat terrible, but they feel better, which is the most important thing.

[984] So I've got them feeling better.

[985] Now, in January, January...

[986] They usually do like a November or October competition with certain...

[987] October.

[988] Yeah, sober October.

[989] But that's with Burke Kreischer and Tom Seguera and Ari Shafir.

[990] Okay.

[991] But what I'm doing with these guys is in January, we're going to do a carnivore diet only.

[992] So January is apparently world carnivore month.

[993] That's when I first started trying.

[994] I'm like, okay.

[995] It's a thing where, like, if...

[996] you know the other people are doing it and you're being held accountable and you declare that you're going to do it, hop on and try it.

[997] So I'm going to tell these guys, for the whole month of January, I want you to eat nothing but meat and eggs.

[998] Just nothing but meat, eggs, fish, fat, get all your healthy fats meats and eggs.

[999] And you can have some avocados.

[1000] I want you to eat bacon.

[1001] But I want you to just completely cut out all sugar, all bread, all pasta.

[1002] all rice all bullshit and let's see how you feel at the end of the month but you got to commit to it and so they're all on board for that that is where they're going to see radical body change because they're just going to they're going to reduce their body fat your satiety level from just eating meat is so different it's it's crazy people that have a problem overeating like i have a problem overeating like if if i have a pizza in front of me i will eat that fucking whole pizza if i have a bowl of ice cream or a carton of ice i'll eat the whole carton It's something I've noticed is a portion control of like men versus women.

[1003] I don't know what it is, but like dudes, it's whatever is in front of me, I will decimate the whole thing.

[1004] But for girls, it's like, oh, I'll have a little piece of this, a little piece of that.

[1005] I can't happen in the house.

[1006] Do you wonder if they're doing that around us and how they are?

[1007] Because it's not bad for a guy to overeat in front of a woman.

[1008] Ah, right.

[1009] You know, like if a guy has a, sits down for it with a 22 -ounce cowboy rib eye and a side of mashed potatoes, like no one, no woman is.

[1010] is going to go, what are you doing?

[1011] Yep.

[1012] You know?

[1013] So you think they secretly want to decimate it, too?

[1014] I think so.

[1015] I think especially when it comes to, like, carbs and pasta, I think it's just human.

[1016] What do you do for, because this is interesting, because Peter Attia, for example, is known as, like, one of the foremost longevity experts.

[1017] He's seen as, you know, the go -to guy for a lot of, I don't know, people seek education from his content and whatnot.

[1018] Yeah.

[1019] But even him with his dialed in practice.

[1020] this is and whatnot, if the stuff is in his house, he will still go off the rails.

[1021] So last time I talked to him, he was mentioning how him and his wife were having an argument about keeping drumsticks in the freezer for their kids because when it's there, he just slams three of them and it like pisses him off.

[1022] So now he has this deal where he just takes his kids to ice cream whenever they want ice cream rather than having it physically in the house.

[1023] Obviously, you have kids.

[1024] How do you handle that?

[1025] Well, believe it or not, my kids eat really well.

[1026] especially my youngest daughter has really gotten into fitness and it's kind of this strange shift where she gets up in the morning and hits the gym before she goes to school and she'll run 10 miles wow it's nuts dude it's been watching gogging shit i don't know what it is man but something switched in her you know it's been pretty recently like over the last five months she's super consistent you know i mean it's it's very strange like i'll get it's up if I have to get up early and it's like 6 .30 in the morning.

[1027] And, uh, she's in the fucking gym.

[1028] She's in a gym riding the treadmill.

[1029] Probably helps you as well for like, well, it's inspiring.

[1030] Yeah.

[1031] And I'm, I'm proud of her.

[1032] It's because no one's telling her to do this.

[1033] And then she's, you know what happened?

[1034] She got a fit bit.

[1035] She said, I want to get a fit bit.

[1036] And so we got her a fit bit.

[1037] And then she's like, hmm, what's the, what's a, what's a step goal that more, most people have?

[1038] And so she's been getting like 28 ,000 steps in a day.

[1039] Holy shit.

[1040] Dude, she's a maniac.

[1041] It's nuts.

[1042] And her body's changing.

[1043] The only time I get that is if I'm in Europe on a vacation or some shit.

[1044] Yeah.

[1045] It's pretty amazing.

[1046] Well, she does sports.

[1047] You know, she does volleyball and basketball and soccer.

[1048] She does a lot of different sports.

[1049] Okay.

[1050] But she's noticing also that it's an improvement in her sports.

[1051] So she's not getting tired.

[1052] When the other girls are getting tired, she's like, let's fucking go.

[1053] You know, it's like it's kind of interesting.

[1054] But it's also, it's so weird how your kids will just, like something will snap into them and then they'll be really into this thing.

[1055] And then that becomes the new part of their life.

[1056] Yeah, I think that's one of the biggest reasons for using those trackers and whatnot, like gamifying it is I think for some people kind of the thing they need to make it interesting enough to follow and want to beat personal records and whatnot.

[1057] Yeah.

[1058] So it's kind of interesting because that, I don't know, you're obviously familiar with Brian.

[1059] Johnson we talked about him before the not Brian Johnson liver king Brian Johnson the the the billionaire vegan longevity dude he has like this age tracker that tracks his chronological versus biological age and he has like this leaderboard where people are also competing against each other for rate of aging and this leaderboard is constantly shifting with all these people who are getting on board trying to optimize whatever biomarkers they can and you know their uh exercise regimens supplementation diet etc and it's the biological clocks are kind of not founded in science necessarily but is it measuring telomeres like what are they measuring it's it's like a methylation so it's as much as you could point to the results of it and it would show an outcome that reflects a rate of aging that is potentially slower than what your normal chronological aging would be which is like one year equals one year you could be 0 .6 per year if you were doing everything amazingly potentially but still that is highly manipulatable via like very very acute changes so if you do something for example if you're super healthy for even one or a few days you could change the result of that plus minus like 10 years so so often like I think there was one study where the same guys tried multiple pull different tests and each test had a different result based on just what they were doing at the time.

[1060] So it was like, obviously if it was a legit tracker, it would, your age biologically would not shift 10 years every day.

[1061] It would make no sense.

[1062] Right.

[1063] So anyway, this leaderboard though, although the science is kind of, you know, not necessarily founded, it's cool to see the gamification of it where people are at least trending with things that are improving their state of, uh, like quality of life, performance, et cetera.

[1064] So as much as like the whole, like the problem with it, obviously is when people start to monetize the age clocks and start to sell you supplements and shit around it to try and help your biological age drop faster or whatever.

[1065] But overall, people are tracking this stuff and getting meticulous about trying to beat each other.

[1066] They're competing to get as healthy as possible, doing all the right thing.

[1067] So, yeah, it's pretty interesting.

[1068] And he's constantly talking about how he's like, you know, top ranked and fill in the blank metric.

[1069] Isn't he on a vegan diet as well?

[1070] Yeah, which is a, it's really interesting because, like, some of the stuff he does, I think, is great.

[1071] He's putting out good information, but then sometimes it's like, I think his total calorie intake is like 2 ,250.

[1072] His protein is like barely 100 grams, which for your body weight is not that great.

[1073] And then obviously the value of the protein from the vegan diet is questionable, depending where you're getting it.

[1074] And then on top of that, he's using testosterone to maintain his hormones as they're suppressed via the diet model he's on.

[1075] So he like, he has all these metrics that he tout says, you know, check out my improvements in these biomarkers.

[1076] And you'll say, I'm top 0 .01 % in grip strength for my age or top 1 % in, you know, liver markers or what have you.

[1077] But then you'll be like, I'm top 1 % in testosterone.

[1078] And it's like.

[1079] Yeah, you put it in there.

[1080] Yeah, like no shit, buddy.

[1081] You could be higher than that if you want Yeah, you can manually change it tomorrow You could be top 0 .01 % So but yeah Overall the stuff he's doing is It's interesting and people Overall like the gamification of it I think is good to keep people I don't know make it more interesting And want to actually improve I wonder what led him to try the vegan diet Because if he's so meticulous About monitoring his nutrition His supplement intake He's got to know that the most nutrient dense form of food is meat Yeah, but he has like 7 ,000 supplements, so you can just make up for it.

[1082] Can you?

[1083] I don't know, dude.

[1084] I guess he kind of could?

[1085] I was definitely personally kidding.

[1086] What he eats daily?

[1087] Nutty pudding, extra virgin olive oil.

[1088] So, like, my understanding is based on whoever he has on his team interpreting nutrition literature and drug literature as well will dictate its choices of what he's doing.

[1089] And I think he also has like an ethical stance on.

[1090] meat consumption to some extent, but that makes sense.

[1091] He also claims that every calorie he eats has intent behind it to where it's driving like the highest value from a longevity perspective, which is questionable, obviously, when you're looking at like, like what the fuck are some of these meals, right?

[1092] Yeah.

[1093] Is this dinner at 11 a .m.?

[1094] Yeah, what time is he get up?

[1095] 1 a .m.?

[1096] So maybe as one of those, uh, restricted.

[1097] calorie eating days he intermittent fast for a big chunk of the day and then he compresses it and make sure it's far enough away from going to sleep to not mess with his sleep quality and then he has apparently like one of the best whoop sleep scores on earth supposedly is what he claims which you know i wouldn't doubt is legit but i mean like that's an example too of gamification which is is cool in my opinion is when you can track trends in oh last night my heart rate elevated by X amount, which is abnormal, why did it happen?

[1098] Oh, maybe it was that I ate, you know, this snack that's shitty for me five minutes before I went to sleep.

[1099] And then my body temperature elevated, it was harder to get to sleep.

[1100] And my heart rate's trying to, you know, I'm metabolizing food while I'm literally trying to sleep at the same time.

[1101] Like there's stuff you can see in the feedback, which is cool because you wouldn't dig into it yourself otherwise necessarily.

[1102] So when you have it in this nice, laid out, like visually friendly format too, and it's giving you notifications, hey, tonight, you should.

[1103] probably stop eating two hours before sleep, or what happened yesterday, your HRV is lower and perhaps focus more on recovery, like that kind of stuff, I think is cool.

[1104] It is cool, and that is one of the aspects of these fitness trackers that some people have said can be an issue because they have the same sort of addictive qualities that video games do because you're chasing numbers.

[1105] You're chasing steps per day, calories burned.

[1106] It could go off the rails, for sure, for some people.

[1107] Yeah.

[1108] But at the same time, too, I know a lot of people who would never get 10 ,000 steps if it wasn't on a tracker of some sort.

[1109] Yeah.

[1110] The trackers are, we used to use, when we did the Sobor October Fitness Challenge, we used the MyZones tracker.

[1111] Okay.

[1112] Have you seen that one?

[1113] No, no. It's a, you're wearing a chest strap, and it gives you points based on how much energy you exert and how much time you spent at, like, 80 % max heart rate.

[1114] so what we realized when we started doing this challenge like the challenge was for someone to get the highest score by the end of the month what we realized is like burning it out in the red you don't burn you can't go as far so you can't do as many calories in a day and you can't get as many points in a day it's just too hard your body breaks down but you can stay in the yellow for a pretty long time and the yellow is like 140 beats per minute and so it ramped up where we're getting a certain score like 200 a day 300 a day and then one day Ari realized you can watch movies on an iPad while you're on a treadmill and you just keep going isn't it weird how sometimes common sense stuff totally escapes you and then all of a sudden you realize one day I could have been fucking yeah doing listening to music when I'm in the cold flunge or something yeah and well instead of just straight suffering through the cardio you're getting engaged with this film and it just becomes normal yeah so you're just breathing heavy while you're watching you know apocalypse now or something that's like got you riveted and so Ari racked up a big score one day like 400 points we're like what the fuck did you do he's like sorry boys game change I realize you watch movies while you're on cardio and then we started going really crazy and one day I did seven hours of cardio because I wanted to break the guys because Burke Kreischer was talking shit so I did seven hours of cardio and I ramped up an eleven hundred score for the dead I set off the fire alarm in my gym from sweating.

[1115] Holy shit, dude.

[1116] Yeah, I got a video of it.

[1117] There's puddles of sweat on the ground where it looked like I threw water everywhere.

[1118] Yeah.

[1119] So I'm constantly drinking water and electrolytes, like constantly, and sugar.

[1120] I was drinking, like, cans of Coca -Cola, root beer.

[1121] I just needed some form of, like, quick, easy calories while I was doing it.

[1122] Here, give me some volume on this.

[1123] From my work, and I set off the fucking fire alarm.

[1124] Holy shit Jesus Christ Yeah that was when I was watching John Wick like 50 times in a row But yeah like that was I mean that was October in California So it's like wasn't that hot out It was like normal temperature out And I'd made that room so hot just from my body weight That the steam from my body set off the fire alarm have you uh have you ever got a walking uh like a standing desk before no so one of the most wild things i've seen and maybe this is more common than i know but ben greenfield the like longevity biohacking dude you've had him on a couple times i think yeah yeah he uh essentially every time he's doing a podcast he's walking on like a treadmill with his desk in front of him or walking outside so the guy is literally never not in motion essentially like he is i don't know how many steps he gets in a day but a lot of people maybe in that space like the biohacking niche are literally like raising their desks shoving a treadmill underneath it and then like making sure they're getting steps while doing emails or while podcasting which is pretty wild i think that makes sense i mean if you could just walk around and do podcasting you could do that but for me my desk at home in particular is for writing and I couldn't imagine writing standing personally I need I need no distractions when I'm writing I need a blanks like I use focus mode on Microsoft Word where you don't see anything no notifications pop up you don't see your tray you don't see anything I just see the text on the screen that's it that's the only way I can do it and then I have to really like lock in for hours just doing that if I was walking it would just be another thing that my body would be occupied in that would take away the resources from thinking.

[1125] Did you ever get a burner phone that has no apps and stuff?

[1126] I think you were talking about that before.

[1127] I have a phone that has no apps.

[1128] Has it made a big difference?

[1129] It makes a difference.

[1130] But my friends still send me these fucking Instagram links.

[1131] Oh, to that number?

[1132] I have two numbers now.

[1133] Okay.

[1134] And the old one still has, you know, Instagram on it and all that jazz.

[1135] But it significantly cuts down on my use of it significantly.

[1136] Yeah.

[1137] Because most of the time, see, this is what I found.

[1138] Now, if you have two phones and one phone, if you have an iPhone, and one phone, the I message is hooked up to your number and the other one, the I message is hooked up to your email account, you still get all the text messages from the old number because they're going to the I message email account.

[1139] So that's how this phone is set up.

[1140] So you really can't call me. Okay.

[1141] But you can send me text messages and the text message will go there.

[1142] But I also found that if someone calls me on the other one and I have this phone hanged up to the email account, the phone with the email account will ring.

[1143] They're not even calling the same number.

[1144] Oh, Jesus.

[1145] Yeah.

[1146] That's annoying.

[1147] I didn't know that.

[1148] Did you know that, Jamie?

[1149] It's a setting.

[1150] It's a setting.

[1151] You got to turn off or on, I suppose.

[1152] So I toggle it.

[1153] Okay.

[1154] Yeah.

[1155] So I'll switch it back just to the phone number and then nothing comes through.

[1156] You know, it's a good hack.

[1157] I saw Alex Formosie, if you guys know him.

[1158] He's like a business entrepreneur content creator.

[1159] Super jacked.

[1160] Yeah, super fucking jacked.

[1161] And he has this hack that he mentioned where you basically go into your color filter settings and you set it to gray scale.

[1162] And just like that, Instagram is like 50 % less enticing to fuck around on.

[1163] That makes sense.

[1164] Yeah.

[1165] So next time you're on the toilet, you pull out your phone, it's like, oh, shit, it's black and white.

[1166] I don't care about this.

[1167] Yeah, it's a time suck, boy.

[1168] And I always trick myself into thinking that I'm going to get something out of it for material.

[1169] There's got to be something that I connect with here that's kind of like, what?

[1170] And I'll get one of those every 10 days, 15 days.

[1171] Yeah.

[1172] But those other days is just nonsense.

[1173] Yeah.

[1174] It's just looking at muscle cars and fucking nonsense.

[1175] Yeah, the, I don't know if it's the algorithms are changing or what, but the Explorer feeds are, kind of fucked up now for mine are all murder dude my twitter at least is basically that yeah yeah twitter's wild under elon you see that that interview he did with the new york times the other day oh yeah he would like told him to go fuck yourself yeah let me be clear go fuck yourself dude you don't have a time on my platform go fuck yourself how much has he changed since you first met him to now because at least based on podcast uh behavior He seems wildly different and more loose and broish.

[1176] He's having fun.

[1177] Yeah.

[1178] He's a fun guy to be around.

[1179] Like, and he was here, last time he was here, he brought his son, and, you know, he's hanging out with his kid.

[1180] He's, like, a fun guy.

[1181] He's not, like, people have this idea.

[1182] He's this, like, fucking serious, driven businessman, which he most certainly also is.

[1183] But he manages it all really well.

[1184] Like, he's always laughing.

[1185] He's having a good time.

[1186] camera the first time you met him too or did it kind of was like a warm up period well i think it was a warm up period he has to get to know you yeah and know he can trust you i mean when you're the richest guy in the world's probably a lot of people cutting angles on you and it probably gets really odd but what i did notice is that the first time we did the podcast when i first met him he was super loose and relaxed like he has his fucking he brought he brought me a a blow torch that uh not a what is it not a flamethrower boring kind of yeah yeah i forget what the company name is.

[1187] So we, so he's, there's famous photos of him in my studio, firing off this fucking flame throw with 17 feet of fire coming off the end of this in the middle of our lobby.

[1188] And I'm like, what the fuck are you doing?

[1189] He's just wild.

[1190] But I guess when you have that much money, you're not, you really have zero concerns.

[1191] Like you could just be, if you're that guy, you could just be kind of a silly guy.

[1192] He's just fun.

[1193] He just likes to have a good time.

[1194] And on the podcast, though, it took a while to loosen him up.

[1195] I think the, there's also like, there's a thing that happens to people when they come on podcasts, at least this one, where the scale of it hits them.

[1196] Yeah, it's like the UFC championship of podcasting, essentially.

[1197] Yeah, it's like just the numbers of people that will be paying attention.

[1198] Yeah.

[1199] You know, but once we started drinking, we had a couple glasses of whiskey and then things got loose.

[1200] then we're having a good time, you know?

[1201] Yeah, one thing that's really good about this, I'm sure you've heard this a million times, but how chill the setup is with you guys, it's like I've been on podcast where it's like, I feel like I'm on a, I don't know, like the news or something, or it's some like big production.

[1202] And it's pretty intimidating when you have seven camera crew guys running around you every two seconds, and there's, you know, seven different camera angles that you're thinking about and, oh, don't shift this way too much.

[1203] Oh, don't do that.

[1204] Yeah, and here it's, I think a lot of people would be surprised how, like, chill and laid back the whole setup is.

[1205] It's by design.

[1206] Yeah, like, it's definitely the most conducive to a real conversation, I feel like.

[1207] Yeah, you don't want a bunch of people in the room with you.

[1208] Like, I've done people shows where they have people in the room.

[1209] I go, do you understand that these people are distracting?

[1210] Yeah, and it's like, it's going to take away for the conversation.

[1211] I think a lot of people, and I'm not a pro podcaster by any means, but I think they're of the opinion that higher production value consistently, no matter how high it gets, equals better without thinking about the detriment that has the actual conversation and becomes very manufactured.

[1212] Yeah.

[1213] Well, I think particularly with this kind of podcast, you have to be aware of what are you making?

[1214] Well, what you're making is a conversation that you want to be as easy to listen to as possible.

[1215] So you want the person who's the guest to be as comfortable as possible.

[1216] You want to give them as much space.

[1217] You don't want to interrupt.

[1218] You want them to be, you want them to feel good.

[1219] You want everybody to be having fun and be friendly and to have them.

[1220] be the most relaxed so you can have an enjoyable conversation that you would digest if you're on a road trip or you're on a treadmill like that's what I'm trying to do and the only way to do that is to make people comfortable and the only way to make people comfortable is to not distract them so when I do some people's podcasts and they have like literally a glass wall and there's a control room and you see people running back and forth and they're holding up pieces of paper and their timing things and there's five different people on the keyboards and I don't know why they want to do that.

[1221] I don't understand, like, obviously not everybody's Jamie.

[1222] And one of the things about having a guy like Jamie, it streamlines the process so well, because Jamie does a job of three people, at least.

[1223] There should be three people doing what he does.

[1224] There should be one person that's Googling, one person that's switching the cameras, another person that's monitoring the sound levels and overseeing everything and making sure the lighting is good and everything's going smooth.

[1225] You'd have multiple people doing what he does.

[1226] So you mentioned 25 years ago You got a great financial advisor How did you guys meet to get this whole set up?

[1227] I just met Jamie at a comedy club Yeah Jamie came to a show at the Ice House And you know we were just talking Just hanging out He told me he's a professional audio engineer And he was saying we have problems with our sound And I said what would you do to fix it?

[1228] He goes, I could take a look at it And you know that was kind of this extent of the conversation right?

[1229] Yeah, mostly Pretty much and then Jamie said he took a one -way ticket from Ohio to come to L .A. Because this is what he wants to do.

[1230] And I was like, really?

[1231] But it was like, it seemed to me, and I, for whatever reason, I tend to follow instincts.

[1232] Even if people say, don't do that.

[1233] What do you do?

[1234] I'm like, I don't know.

[1235] This seemed like the thing to do.

[1236] And like, with him, I was like, I think I'm going to hire that dude.

[1237] And then right away, God didn't even know.

[1238] I didn't know.

[1239] about him.

[1240] He could have been a fucking serial killer.

[1241] He could have been a fucking caught artist.

[1242] I mean, did we do a background check on you?

[1243] You'd have to tell me that.

[1244] There was talks of it, but I don't know.

[1245] I think we probably did to make sure you're not a criminal.

[1246] I did sign something.

[1247] Yeah.

[1248] But then right away, I was like, yep, I was right.

[1249] He's the man. What episode did you come in on?

[1250] Jamie's been here for nine years.

[1251] Yeah, no. 11.

[1252] 11 years.

[1253] But like there was some episode number where prior to that, I don't remember.

[1254] The audio was shitty.

[1255] and everything It came in around 300 300 was when I started Yeah But again Not everybody's Jamie Yeah But Jamie and I are like Kind of telepathic In this weird way They're like I'll be talking about something And Jamie will already have it pulled up Like I'll start the conversation I'll like Did you see this new jet And then all of a sudden Jamie's got the video And you'll see Gasco How the fuck did you do that?

[1256] Did you guys plan this?

[1257] I'm like he's the man he's like we have like the best working relationship in that regard and you know like I have other friends that run podcasts and they're always complaining they're like you know the producer chimes in too much and interrupt sentences they get things wrong they fuck this up they do that wrong they don't show up on time they're late with their video editing or whatever the fuck it is there's always something yeah and Jamie and I just have it dialed in but again it's a skeleton crew we have one guy who's a video editor we have one guy who's a booking agent so it's like because everyone would be wondering who has a podcast like how do you find a Jamie or something that is like high -level positions even for like companies you have I've always wondered how do you find the people to run those so you can actually do what you do best yeah well with the com the comedy club's a good example with the comedy club when I started that and I came out here to Austin it was like the universe had opened every it was like you know when you're driving sometimes you hit every green light yeah it's like it's right yeah it feels like it's meant to be it's amazing yeah that's how the comedy club was it's like I realized that you know I had always had this idea that I wanted eventually get out of L .A and as my youngest daughter started getting older I was like I do not want them growing up in this fucked up, materialistic, fame -driven, bizarre world of L .A. Because it's not conducive to becoming a healthy human being and developing discipline and being present and just having like a well -adjusted, well -balanced adult human being.

[1258] I'm like, this is a fucking mess over here.

[1259] Like I see these people that are adults that are raising their kids.

[1260] These are grown -up babies raising babies.

[1261] I mean, this is fucking madness.

[1262] I got to get out of here.

[1263] And so when the pandemic hit and then the riots were hitting and then there was fucking zero police presence and there were keeping all these businesses locked down and all these restaurants, these guys I knew that run restaurants, they were all going under.

[1264] The comedy store was going, that was fucked.

[1265] They weren't letting them host any shows.

[1266] There was no stand up to be done.

[1267] And we came out here in May of 2020 and initially I was thinking maybe we'll get a vacation house and we can visit here and go.

[1268] And then my kids wanted to live here, like, right away.

[1269] Because when we were in L .A., everybody had a mask on, and you couldn't go to a restaurant.

[1270] We came out here.

[1271] We're eating in a restaurant in May of 2020.

[1272] And I remember my kids, like, I can't believe we can sit down in a restaurant.

[1273] We don't have to wear masks.

[1274] Like, they checked your forehead when you get in there to the temperature.

[1275] It was all nonsense.

[1276] Like, what's your temperature?

[1277] Make sure you're not.

[1278] And then you sit down and you eat.

[1279] And everybody was fine.

[1280] And then a few weeks later, they just let loose everything.

[1281] They're like, yeah, no restrictions.

[1282] Go back to life.

[1283] And Gavin Newsom's like, everyone's going to die.

[1284] What are you doing?

[1285] And they kept everything locked down forever.

[1286] Kept kids out of school forever.

[1287] So we came out here.

[1288] And when we came out here, we started doing stand -up.

[1289] So I started doing stand -up with Dave Chappelle at Stubbs, which is outdoor venue.

[1290] We did it very responsibly.

[1291] We tested the entire audience.

[1292] The audience had to get there an hour before the show.

[1293] Everybody got tested.

[1294] We really only wound up filtering a small handful of people out that tested positive for COVID.

[1295] over the course of, like, however many shows we did there.

[1296] And then we started doing shows indoors.

[1297] And when we started doing shows indoors, that's when I was realizing, we really need a comedy club, like a real comedy club here, because comics from LA started moving to Austin, before I even had a club, because they realized that I was doing shows here and that we could all do shows together.

[1298] So I'd like, come down, do a couple shows.

[1299] So I'd fly them in, they do the podcast, they do a few shows at the club, and they go, this is fucking amazing.

[1300] It's like we're doing comedy again And then they started moving here And then the comedy store was shut down So because the comedy store were shut down All of the best employees were unemployed So I contacted the talent manager I contacted the manager I contacted the bar manager I contacted all these people And I said hey I'm gonna open up a comedy club But I want to hire you now And so I'm gonna pay you You'll fly to Austin I'll give you money to relocate and then you'll get free money for like a year and a half.

[1301] You'll get paid a full salary.

[1302] You'll insurance, everything.

[1303] Just come here and we're going to build this club together.

[1304] And so everything aligned perfectly.

[1305] So that when the club was open, we were dialed in, the people had already lived here.

[1306] Like, Carrie, our bar manager is amazing.

[1307] And she literally recruited the best waitresses and bartenders, brought everybody in.

[1308] they we got up and running and we were smooth within a week so it was like finding her though is that you or me i knew her okay she was a good friend she was my friend at the comedy store for years like we would always hang out together and you know have drinks after club she was just cool as shit and she was really disciplined and she was really good at keeping creeps out of the comics bar and making sure that everybody wasn't being infringed on because there's a comics bar at the comedy store, and it's literally Mitzie's bar.

[1309] She has a bar from her home that is in the comedy store, comedian's bar.

[1310] And that was our place we'd go in between shows and after shows.

[1311] And we would all hang out there, and it was just fun.

[1312] It was just laughs and this.

[1313] And I'm like, that's gone now when we're in Austin.

[1314] I'm like, I need to recreate that.

[1315] And I needed Carrie.

[1316] I needed Adam, who's a talent coordinator.

[1317] It needed all these different people that understood how to run a club.

[1318] that had been doing it at the highest level at the store.

[1319] And they were all available because they were unemployed.

[1320] So it was like everything was perfect.

[1321] Everything was perfect.

[1322] It was like all these doors just opened up and then bam.

[1323] And so when people say, how did you put together this comedy club?

[1324] I'm like, I don't know if I could have done it any other way.

[1325] Because if I had to start from scratch and all these people were employed and they didn't want to move and L .A. was going great.

[1326] I wouldn't be able to recruit them.

[1327] I wouldn't be able to say, hey, leave your whole life.

[1328] and all your friends and come to Texas.

[1329] Yeah.

[1330] But it was attractive, you know, three years ago.

[1331] So overseeing it all is it kind of just, like you have high -level people who take care of it and you can just focus on your comedy and the fun shit, essentially?

[1332] I mean, there's a few issues that I have to deal with.

[1333] There's some decisions that have to be made and there's problems that have arisen, but nothing major.

[1334] It's so pretty manageable.

[1335] But it's because the team is really good.

[1336] And if I didn't have good people, and also people that are legitimately my friends.

[1337] Like if we never work together again, I would still call them, we'd talk, we'd hang out.

[1338] They're all my friends.

[1339] So when we started working together, putting together this club, it was pretty easy.

[1340] It was like, again, it was like the universe set everything up, said, you know what the world needs is a new hub of comedy.

[1341] And I think you could do that.

[1342] So we're going to like align all these things so you could do this.

[1343] thing that's completely separate from Hollywood, which was always the problem in California.

[1344] You would see these talented comics that would start watering down their material because they were starting to get television shows.

[1345] And so guys who were wild when they were younger, they would say hilarious, funny shit that was like really risque.

[1346] They curbed that.

[1347] And they started becoming a little mediocre, just a little soft around the edges, a little, they nerfed all the hard parts of their act.

[1348] And because they were connected to this machine, this fucking woke bullshit leftist machine that wants you to subscribe to a very predetermined pattern of ideas and notions.

[1349] And if you didn't, you were out.

[1350] And if you did, if you, you know, you wanted to talk about Christianity or conservative, you're gone.

[1351] They're not going to hire you.

[1352] They're going to hire another person.

[1353] You're not going to run the daily show if you're also running a white, right wing website that uncovers political, you know, discrepancies in the Democratic Party.

[1354] They won't hire you.

[1355] Do those shows still do well?

[1356] No. No, they're dead.

[1357] They're dead.

[1358] They're useless.

[1359] I mean, if you go on the Tonight Show now, no one watches.

[1360] It's like, it used to be when Johnny Carson was running the Tonight Show, if you were a comic and you got on the Tonight Show, you would be headlining clubs all across the country because 20 million people were watching.

[1361] And if you had a big splash with like a great routine and they'd go, hey, he's going to be at the Charlotte Funny Bone tomorrow night.

[1362] and then people would go see you.

[1363] And it was the best way for comics to get discovered was The Tonight Show.

[1364] Now it's a non -starter.

[1365] It does nothing.

[1366] It does nothing.

[1367] What's the best way to get discovered now?

[1368] Podcasts.

[1369] 100%.

[1370] YouTube videos, TikTok videos, podcasts.

[1371] I mean, this guy I had on the other day, Ralph Barbosa, very talented young comedian, just started putting some stuff out on TikTok, went from being a guy who was trying to get opening acts like he was trying to like middle for friends like my friend Brian Simpson some other comics that were more established to all of a sudden selling out like five shows in a row on a weekend and then you know doing theaters and like like that it went from struggling to killing it in over a course of a couple of months yeah it's like that uh Matt rife as well yeah same thing yeah yeah guys exploded exploded and all just from crowdwork videos and you know stuff that he puts on TikTok and YouTube and Instagram.

[1372] So in general, maybe it's a stupid question, but people who are at, you know, you're the comedy, it's the mothership, right?

[1373] Yeah.

[1374] Was it all again?

[1375] Comedy mothership?

[1376] Yeah.

[1377] Okay.

[1378] So if they're performing there on a semi -regular basis or what have you, what material are people doing new stuff to test it out constantly?

[1379] Or it's like, what are you doing to not burn through existing stuff that is, you know, Oh, and putting it up on Instagram and stuff like that.

[1380] Yeah, because it's like guys like Matt Wright, for example, their crowdwork videos go bonkers.

[1381] Yeah.

[1382] But then I'm assuming that stuff is not part of the actual, like, main thing.

[1383] Right.

[1384] And this is like a totally inept, you know, not, no idea how this works.

[1385] That's why I'm totally oblivious in asking like this.

[1386] But is it only testing new stuff and crowdwork at these shows?

[1387] Or like, how do you even decide what you should put out when you're doing these, uh...

[1388] These videos?

[1389] Yeah, or like even when they're performing at your place.

[1390] It's like, oh, are they hesitant to use good jokes?

[1391] Because it will get used up before they can do a Netflix special or something.

[1392] Well, I think what most of these guys are doing is they're filming stuff, like, especially if you're filming unusual moments in the crowd.

[1393] Like, Andrew Schultz is great at that.

[1394] He's got a lot of these videos where he's not burning material because it's just a unique situation in the crowd.

[1395] And he's really good at crowd work.

[1396] and so he'll put these videos up but he also has really good stand -up material some of these guys are good at working the crowd but then they're material shitty like the best guys are like Andrew like Schultz is great at stand -up like regular stay his material's brilliant and also he's great at fucking around the crowd because he's real loose so he'll make a lot of videos of just crowd work those videos go viral then he eventually puts the material together where he puts out a stand -up special that makes him even bigger and then it all compounds on each other that seems wild how people could be like situationally funny like context dependent so that that's like what if you're the guy who's good at crowd work but not have good material or vice versa there are guys like that huh yeah there's there's both kinds of guys yeah there's guys that are really good at material and then something happens in the crowd and they fall apart yeah you know that's that's a that's a that's a crutch too That's not good.

[1397] You don't want to be in that situation.

[1398] You want to be loose.

[1399] Or when something goes down, you can go, what?

[1400] What are you talking about, man?

[1401] Like, what is it?

[1402] And for the most part, one of the things that's really good at the club, we keep people from yelling out shit, and we keep people from interrupting.

[1403] The most important thing is the stand -up and the environment that the comics are able to be comfortable in doing their material, so it's the best show for everybody.

[1404] So if you get some loud person that just needs a lot of attention, they can distract from the show.

[1405] I've had guys yell things out and they completely interrupt a bit that it's got a build point and they'll stop it right there and you can't really restart it so that bit's done now so you have to abandon it so you have to stop people from doing that and you got to kick them out.

[1406] I wonder how many people that are trying to come up create like synthetically create crowdwork situations tell their buddy like hey go to the show and yell out this fucking I'm sure they do I'm sure that's the case but the best guys don't need that like guys like shultz he doesn't need that he doesn't do that he just he'll see some interesting couple and then he'll start talking to them and joke it around he's super friendly and so it feels loose and they're enjoying everyone's smiling you know and he it's great it's a different skill set you can't fake it to make it like you can only get so far by faking you have to be genuinely impulsively funny to make that work right and he's genuinely impulsively funny he also has a shitload of charisma which also adds to that because it's like everyone's enjoying it it's like a good time and he's really he's kind -spirited so he's not mean while he's doing this and even if he says something mean he says it in a way that you're laughing you know and then and then he's like i mean i don't mean anything bad by it like it's like you got to like him but what the comics that the uh the mothership are doing that's so interesting is that there is two nights of open mic nights so people that are just fucking rank amateurs that have never been on stage have an opportunity to perform there and they get a couple of minutes and if you're good and you come back and the talent coordinator sees you and it says how much material have you got how long you've been doing it and then maybe you'll get on kill tony and kill tony is the cornerstone of the stand -up community because kill tony is this wild youtube show where you have one minute and you have one minute to perform in front of a live audience, they pull your name out of a bucket, and then they read it, and they go, you know, Tommy Jones, come on down, and Tommy Jones gets on stage.

[1407] And people have careers from that now.

[1408] Guys like Hans Kim and David Lucas and William Montgomery, they're headlining on the road, selling out weekends.

[1409] And it all came out of this show.

[1410] And one of the things about the show is, you only have one minute.

[1411] So you don't have any time to fucking, to be virtue signaling or to be to get claptor or woke or talk about your trauma shut the fuck up and be funny you have one minute so it teaches you economy of words you got to get to the point quickly you got to edit your jokes well so they're not rambling and you'll see people that don't know how to do that too which is also awesome about the show yeah because they'll you know tony and the guests will just destroy that person and and make fun of it all it's like a roast yeah oh yeah 100 percent and And Tony's like the best roaster alive.

[1412] So he's like the perfect host for this kind of a show.

[1413] Yeah.

[1414] But so that is our Monday night show.

[1415] So every Monday night we have Kill Tony.

[1416] It's packed.

[1417] It sells out six months in advance.

[1418] It's an amazing show to go watch if you're in town.

[1419] It's so fucking funny.

[1420] And it gets better every time.

[1421] And he's got like this amazing band, these local artists, local musicians that play in the band.

[1422] And they're really fucking good.

[1423] And so the whole show's just, and he's been doing the show for 10 years.

[1424] So it's just super dialed in.

[1425] What's the wait list like to be on the, you know, the open mic?

[1426] The wait list, I don't know.

[1427] The wait list to be on Kill Tony is anybody can sign up hundreds of people sign up every week and they only pull like three or four.

[1428] Do you have to put like an audition or like some sort of breakdown?

[1429] Nope, not for Kill Tony.

[1430] All you have to do is write your fucking name down.

[1431] Damn.

[1432] Yeah, you write your name down.

[1433] It goes in the bucket.

[1434] They pull your name out and then you're on.

[1435] Damn.

[1436] That's great.

[1437] And every now and then, you get a banger.

[1438] Every now and then someone will come up and they fucking kill and the audience loves them.

[1439] And you're like, holy shit, man. There's a guy with cerebral palsy that does stand up through his phone.

[1440] So he has his phone connected to a speaker, a Bluetooth speaker.

[1441] And he sets the microphone by the Bluetooth speaker.

[1442] And he has his phone with talk to text.

[1443] So he will type very quick.

[1444] And you only use one hand.

[1445] Like his other hand's fucked.

[1446] So he's using his one hand and typing out a response, and then it'll play out through the phone.

[1447] That's crazy.

[1448] And he's fucking hilarious.

[1449] Was he on America's Got Talent?

[1450] Yeah, he was on the finals.

[1451] Yeah, kids in America's Got Talent from Kill Tony.

[1452] Huh.

[1453] Yeah.

[1454] How popular are those shows now?

[1455] America's Got Talent.

[1456] Still?

[1457] Yeah.

[1458] For sure.

[1459] Yeah, I think those are pretty proud.

[1460] I always wonder like the really...

[1461] This is the kid.

[1462] See how his left hand is like completely fucked?

[1463] Yeah, yeah.

[1464] Audio's low.

[1465] I got a text and my phone died.

[1466] Please hold.

[1467] Hi.

[1468] I'm so happy to be back for the finals.

[1469] I'm sure you can hear the excitement in my voice.

[1470] This is part of, I heard Rabbyn explain that they had some audio issues during this final that kind of fucked over in this whole bit.

[1471] Oh, I'm sure.

[1472] Dude, have you seen Simon Cowell recently?

[1473] Yeah, what's going on with him?

[1474] I don't know, man. He looks worse than Aaron.

[1475] Yeah.

[1476] It's, uh, it's, uh, I feel like there's a point where the plastic surgery, no matter how little of wrinkles you've managed to.

[1477] Jesus.

[1478] That's probably a generous picture compared to some of the ones I've seen.

[1479] Well, he used to be a good looking guy.

[1480] Like that was what he used to look like.

[1481] Yeah.

[1482] Right?

[1483] And now show what he looks like now?

[1484] Like what, his like eyes are sinking.

[1485] His forehead looks botoxed.

[1486] It looks like he's got some fillers in.

[1487] his cheeks.

[1488] The thing that's so weird about plastic surgery is it's like, objectively, you couldn't really tell why the skin looks old, but it just like does, even though there's no wrinkles at all.

[1489] Look how good he looked back then.

[1490] Yeah.

[1491] Handsome.

[1492] He also went on a vegan diet too.

[1493] Oh, really?

[1494] Yeah.

[1495] And didn't he like get significantly hurt?

[1496] Yeah, he got into a bad accident, I think, on like an e -bike.

[1497] Yeah, fucked up his back and surgery Yeah, so maybe I shouldn't have said anything Well, maybe when you see people like that It's a combination of multiple things So if he's on pills because of his surgery He might be like, you know And then he's got Botox and his Just get old, buddy Just get old and keep you smile Some of the celebrity stories about Why like some Like injury or something That resulted in them getting a surgery to look the way they did though is like obviously manufactured and totally fabricated oh really like zach effron have you seen his before and after but isn't that just he got juiced up to no dude no look at his face before and after and you'll be like what the fuck a cowl announced he he began eating animal based foods again in order to rebuild his strength after his surgery uh -huh where we heard that before so he fell he broke his back when he fell off his electric motorcycle oh yeah a motorcycle Many press sources confused with an electric bike.

[1498] The incident occurred when he was testing in his home in Malibu.

[1499] Taking to the hospital, underwent back surgery overnight.

[1500] Oh, serious shit.

[1501] After the accident, he began eating animal -based foods again in order to rebuild his strength.

[1502] But clearly he's got some Botoxy thing, filler thing going on with his mug.

[1503] Yeah, yeah.

[1504] I don't know how old he is.

[1505] There's a difference between, like, watching someone age, which is, you know, oh, he looks old, to what are you doing?

[1506] Yeah Like Madonna Yeah It's not even a human anymore It's like when you see Well I guess Maybe that's Someone said that Madonna had Gotten plastic surgery On her face And then when they saw her That one time At the Grammys Her face was swollen still And then it hadn't gone down yet Apparently when you really get A lot of nipping And tuckin It takes a long ass time Happened from a fall Oh yeah It was like He had his jaw wired shut Ten years ago Breaking in a fall He almost died in 2022, or he revealed he almost died in, sorry, in 2022.

[1507] During the incident, almost died by breaking his jaw.

[1508] And then it was responsible for facial swelling apparently in the viral 2021 video for Bill Nye's Earth Day musical.

[1509] Like basically a couple years ago, he showed up looking unrecognizable and then he claimed it was from an injury 10 years ago.

[1510] Well, it says he had a potentially life -threatening illness, a form of typhoid or similar bacterial infection while filming the adventure series, killing Zach Efron and pop out in New Guinea.

[1511] Oh, wow.

[1512] Yeah, yeah.

[1513] Someone was telling me that he looks different, but I thought he just got super jacked for the movie.

[1514] He's talking about before and after.

[1515] He's talking about why his face is messed up.

[1516] And it's because of the job even we were wired?

[1517] Like, he definitely took shit for his recent role.

[1518] Like, there's no question about that.

[1519] But it's like, this is beyond, dude.

[1520] It's like...

[1521] So you think you got plastic surgery as well?

[1522] Oh, heavy duty.

[1523] Yeah?

[1524] Like, what kind of stuff?

[1525] Look at that.

[1526] Hmm.

[1527] Like, tell me that's from hitting your jaw on a fountain.

[1528] Wow.

[1529] Yeah.

[1530] Well, that to me looks like roids.

[1531] That's like Camille Nangiani, that same sort of thing.

[1532] Well, that looks different.

[1533] That looks very different.

[1534] It's like actual mass accumulated, not just body fat loss, and it's not like his.

[1535] He's gained muscle for the recent role, but his face, even when he's out of prep for body type roles, he still has, looks the same.

[1536] so yeah like kumail obviously he lost a shit ton of fat and gained muscle around his face so there is some development there but this is like next level stuff dude at least i think so and i think a lot of people think the same he definitely looks different yeah like it's yeah yeah it's um so what do you think he's got going on here like cheek implants like what is it um i think uh i think there's like fillers you can get to make this bone pop out way more make it look like there's more more structure to it and that seems to me pretty clear there's some sort of fillers or something and that's what you see in the cheeks potentially but I think mainly the jaw area it's just so much more substantially pronounced it's I don't know you couldn't chalk it up to roids hmm so maybe when his jaw broke like to gain that much mass on your face and then not proportionally on the rest of your body it would make no sense hmm he said uh he slipped hit the corner of a fountain passed out and woke up with his chin broke hanging off his face whoa yeah in 2013 yeah so i don't know anyway it's like it's weird too though because the guy is objectively one of the better looking guys in hollywood before whatever he did so it's like whoa would have what in your mindset would have motivated you to to do this to begin with like obviously i've seen it with women many many times where oh yeah they like fuck up their lips or whatever yeah they just start going in yeah a little bit of this my nose a little too long and this is this this girl that i knew and i hadn't seen her for a while and uh i saw her like two years later and looked like someone punched her in the face oh yeah because she just had swollen cheeks because she had decided to put filler in her face.

[1537] And I don't know her that well.

[1538] So it's not like I can say, hey, what the fuck are you doing?

[1539] Like, don't do that.

[1540] Like, whatever you're doing, you've got to stop doing that.

[1541] Yeah.

[1542] So it's just one of those things.

[1543] Like, okay, this is what you're doing now, huh?

[1544] You're just like, you know what?

[1545] It makes, like, this stick up and that takes away the crow's feet, you know, because it, like, stretches everything out.

[1546] Right, right.

[1547] But it also makes it look like your face is swollen.

[1548] Yeah, it's weird.

[1549] because it's like, I've seen some young, very attractive girls get plastic surgery, and they almost end up looking like an older woman trying to look young, even though they were young to begin with and looked young.

[1550] Yes.

[1551] I'm like, what are you doing?

[1552] Yeah, it's weird.

[1553] Yeah.

[1554] Well, you know, it's body dysmorphia.

[1555] You don't see yourself the way other people see you.

[1556] Yeah, by the same token, why would a guy take, why do you want to gain a bunch of muscle and take steroids or anything?

[1557] It could be seen just as fucked up by...

[1558] I don't know I think when guys get jacked looks good Oh well yeah I mean There's a difference sure sure I'm just saying Like there's a level of body dysmorphia at both levels for sure Well if there was something available for women Like there is for men like so men can take steroids and they can get jacked And you can get a guy that is just you know fucking pretty normal looking physique And within 24 months he looks like a fucking superhero Yeah men want that If there was a thing like that for women Where you could take this and instead of of like cosmetic changes, you would literally be more of a woman.

[1559] Because these guys are actually physically stronger, they can move faster, they have more power.

[1560] They're a different version of a human being than they were before.

[1561] But women don't have that.

[1562] They just have appearance shit.

[1563] You can make your tits look bigger.

[1564] You can suck your waist in.

[1565] You can get your ass stuffed with fat.

[1566] And it's not the same.

[1567] There you go, Jeff Bezos.

[1568] Not that he did, but if you could go from that, looking like that.

[1569] I fully support his jackedness I like the way he lives yeah yeah but you when you you think about if there was a thing like that for women so you could take a woman who has you know like a twiggy body just like kind of long and thin and not voluptuous and they could all the sudden take a steroid that turns them into Jennifer Lopez yeah they would all take it yeah but I think it's less more less well known and educated about at scale among women nor do they care to learn about it.

[1570] They know plastic surgery, they know stuff they see in magazines, they know the celebrities they follow, but guys, we like, we follow bodybuilders and people in fitness industry and whatnot.

[1571] It's a bit of a different like exposure, I feel like, but it's actually hard to convince women that getting a muscular ass is better than injecting like fake synthetic fucking blubber.

[1572] Right.

[1573] You know?

[1574] So it's a whole different element of mindset for sure.

[1575] Have you seen the Madonna videos of her on tour now?

[1576] Have you seen these, Jamie?

[1577] Here, I'm going to send this to you because it's fucking bananas.

[1578] Like, I don't know what the hell she is doing, but it is very strange.

[1579] How old is she know?

[1580] She's in her 60s.

[1581] Like, probably deep in her 60s, right?

[1582] Here, I'm going to send this to you, Jamie.

[1583] But, I mean, it looks like she's wearing a fucking diaper.

[1584] There you go, I've sent it to you.

[1585] This is something that's, this is madness.

[1586] I mean, like, she's thin.

[1587] I bet her body would look good if she just was this 65 -year -old woman who's thin and fit.

[1588] But instead, look at her butt.

[1589] Oh, geez.

[1590] Yeah, what, what's going on there?

[1591] That is so insane.

[1592] It's so insane because, first of all, it doesn't make sense.

[1593] Like, you could not develop an ass like that.

[1594] that and have such thin thighs yeah it's not possible and the only way that looks good to have an ass like that is to have those fucking quarter horse thighs that go with it yeah like when you see a woman who has a big butt that she's developed from squats and then she has the legs to go with it that's hot yeah that's hot this is just fucking sad and also like when she moves around on stage now she moves around like someone with arthritis yeah i wouldn't even know how you could focus on your performance knowing that you have like a fucking diaper sitting on you you know it's like i'd be thinking about does this look you know yeah well i think she's probably delusional at this point i mean you got to imagine what it's like you go from being the object of total desire to everyone like when madonna was 27 years old she'd walk in the room everybody like holy shit it's madonna she was so hot and she had this incredible body and she was so talented and And she was just desired by everyone.

[1595] You go from that to being a monster.

[1596] Yeah.

[1597] You mean, when you see her in the Grammys, when her face was all swollen, you've seen those images?

[1598] I think so.

[1599] Find those images.

[1600] Yeah, those are extreme.

[1601] Because they were so nuts that that was the entire topic of conversation for most people after the Grammys.

[1602] It was like, what the fuck did Madonna do?

[1603] Oh, my God.

[1604] Yeah.

[1605] That's wild.

[1606] That's wild.

[1607] I mean, that's pure insanity.

[1608] It's like Adam's family.

[1609] shit exactly it's all fillers and I mean your head is not supposed to be that big like why is her chin stick out that much hey and that's all things that were done to mitigate yeah that's what she used to look like crazy yeah so that was her when she was young so she goes from that to being that and what is that well that's this that's the worst journey that a person who whose identity is wrapped around them being attractive can ever go through Because not only that, your Father Time's fucking you, and then you're fucking yourself by trying to compete with Father Time, and now you're becoming a monster.

[1610] Yeah.

[1611] So now when people see you, instead of going, whoa, that's Madonna.

[1612] They're like, yikes.

[1613] Yeah.

[1614] It's a cautionary tale now.

[1615] Yeah, that's like, and it overshadows their musical achievements, for sure, too.

[1616] A hundred percent, because then it becomes a subject of attention.

[1617] Yeah, like Michael Jackson.

[1618] Exactly.

[1619] Exactly.

[1620] Like, what are they doing now?

[1621] What's this?

[1622] Yeah.

[1623] The Michael Jackson one is the greatest example.

[1624] for sure because it was so nuts yeah I mean his nose caved in and you know there's there's pictures of him like like it looks like some skin grafting around his nose yeah because it's just collapsing yeah there was some speculation around if he was like castrated as a child too yes that was what his doctor said the doctor that was convicted of giving him what was it prophenol that used to take anesthesia to put himself under because he couldn't sleep Have you ever heard of the castrati?

[1625] Yes.

[1626] So, like, they, I suspect that he, similar to them, it was like a more modern version of that and was castrated in his youth to preserve the angelic kind of like singing voice.

[1627] That's what his doctor said.

[1628] Yeah.

[1629] His doctor said that his father had done chemical castration on him, which is what they do to some sex offenders.

[1630] They give him chemical castration.

[1631] And they did it to him while he was going through puberty so he wouldn't develop a deeper voice.

[1632] Which then begs the question, too.

[1633] there's all this like all the scrutiny on him for like the pedophilia stuff it's like did the guy even have sexual desire at all right you know it's kind of weird i think probably a lot of that stuff was he was emotionally stunted they say that like your emotional age is often wrapped up in the age that you became famous so if you're a child star you're kind of fucked for life yeah i don't know anyone that's made it through unscathed every childhood star I've ever sat down and talked to everyone I've ever met in the real world they're always fucked I've met a lot of really cool actors like you hang out like Scott Eastwood if you were hanging out with Scott Eastwood he's like a regular guy you would not know that he's a movie star Chris Pratt completely normal I've been around that guy a couple dozen times I'm in mixed company I've been in Elkunting camp with him he's super normal, just a cool guy.

[1634] Yeah.

[1635] You know, there's people that are like that, that make it through fame, and they're still cool.

[1636] They're fun to be around.

[1637] Matthew McConae, great guy, great guy to be around.

[1638] I mean, you know, wise and says a lot of cool shit, and he's very interesting, but you can hang with him.

[1639] Yeah.

[1640] He's not a weirdo.

[1641] Yeah.

[1642] And he got famous pretty young, but he's smart, and he navigated those waters and turned out to be a really exemplary man. But there's a lot that don't, man. There's a lot that they become famous at a young age, and they're just fucking broken forever.

[1643] The Corey Feldman's of the world and the, you know, fill in the blank.

[1644] There's so many versions of childhood stars that are just destroyed as adults.

[1645] It's like someone made concrete, but they didn't put all the water in.

[1646] And so the concrete is just brittle and just doesn't have structure to it.

[1647] They didn't go through the normal process of being a, you know, young person trying to figure out your way in the world and making mistakes and learning and seeing other people make mistakes and having good things happening and realize, oh, that's because I put in the work and I did this and then you developed this process and then you, you mature over the learning experiences and you become a person.

[1648] You become a fully adult woman or a fully adult man. You don't go through that if you're famous when you're young.

[1649] You're fucked.

[1650] You're fucked.

[1651] Everyone who does it is fucked.

[1652] Yeah, yeah.

[1653] Some people, I haven't met any, like, huge celebrities.

[1654] really but some of them you can just feel more relatable when they speak even in the i don't know conversations that are published online and whatnot yeah especially in podcasts when you see them show up you can sort of see if that's a person that even has like a human interaction capacity with a average joe kind of thing yes some of them they they'll do podcasts and you can tell that they're in like PR mode yeah and they're putting together it's almost like they have a routine that they're doing Yeah, yeah.

[1655] You know?

[1656] And with actors, you never even know if it's acting the whole fucking time anyway.

[1657] Right.

[1658] You kind of know.

[1659] Do you?

[1660] Yeah, because they're off script.

[1661] And then, you know, if I feel like someone's acting, I'll prod them about little things.

[1662] I'll try to get them to talk about ghosts.

[1663] I'll try, you know what ridiculous shit do you believe in?

[1664] You know, what do you think, do you believe in the healing power of crystals?

[1665] You know, like there's something, you could fuck with them a little bit.

[1666] And maybe antagonize them slightly.

[1667] like joking around and see how they react to that just try to get them off of whatever they're on whatever this rant you're on that you've prepared that you know you think is going to be a good monologue that's going to get you to relate to people like what else yeah i definitely think a lot of now obviously this is just totally unfounded advice from a random guy but a lot of these celebrities become so much more humanized when they do the podcasts that they've been invited on that it seems worthwhile to do once in a while because it's like certain guys they'll have like a weird mystique around them and they have rumors that circulate and go fucking wild like i don't like tom cruise for example yeah you can't help but think that guy is a wacko if you don't know him probably or of like i don't know if he's ever done public stuff well i know he did that matt lauer interview on the today show and it was a giant problem because he was telling matt lauer that you don't need psychiatric medicine and that you know that antidepressants are terrible for you and he was talking about brook shields and you know and then matt lower was arguing about it and he seemed like a fucking complete cook so is he like the head of scientology or like what is that it seems like it yeah there's another guy i don't even know what it goes into that or what can be said about that without getting fucking assassinated well there's the main guy and then he's got this wife that seems to be missing oh it is david miscovage okay so he's got that this wife that there have been no sighting of her for like over a decade.

[1668] Holy shit.

[1669] Yeah, there's some weird shit going on.

[1670] Like, Scientology is wild.

[1671] Like, in my mind, I picture Tom Cruise and like an emperor Palpatine hood, like, walking around a palace of, like, Scientology people.

[1672] And I'm assuming that's not what happens.

[1673] I'm assuming it is.

[1674] Okay.

[1675] You never know.

[1676] I mean, did you ever see the time where he receives an award, some sort of, like, greatest human ever award and he gets a like way bigger than the Olympic gold medal it's like a fucking dinner plate a gold dinner plate around his chest and they salute El Ron Hubbard to LRH have you seen that no I haven't it's leaked internal video of one of these celebrations whoever leaked it's dead for sure yeah they killed that guy they threw him off the fucking sea org yeah yeah yeah fed up to the sharks see if you can find that video because it's so bonkers he gets this fucking award for being like a really good actor Look at this.

[1677] This is like Tom Creed, the Freedom Medal of Honor of Valor.

[1678] Freedom Medal of Valor.

[1679] So I guess this is cell phone footage.

[1680] Look, they're saluting.

[1681] This was like the real live stream.

[1682] Yes.

[1683] Produced, but it was taken or something.

[1684] Yeah, somehow or another somebody got a hold of this and put it out to the general public.

[1685] So David Miskiewicz is give, look at that fucking dinner place.

[1686] He's got out of his deck.

[1687] He's given the freedom medal of valor to the Mission Impossible guy, and everyone's cheering.

[1688] They salute each other, which is my favorite part.

[1689] So, El Ron Hubbard is a fictional author that is dead now?

[1690] Or is he alive?

[1691] Yes, he's dead.

[1692] Not only is he a fictional author.

[1693] He is a guy.

[1694] Please put his speech up here.

[1695] We'll talk about El Ron in a minute.

[1696] Give me here.

[1697] Say something.

[1698] This is so crazy.

[1699] Look at him.

[1700] International Association of Scientologists.

[1701] They got air horns and everything.

[1702] So he's the top dog.

[1703] Yeah, that's what I would think, yeah.

[1704] Try to skip ahead and say six to.

[1705] Yeah, how long are they cheer for?

[1706] It might be like North Korea, where you have to cheer or they kill you?

[1707] You're welcome.

[1708] Really, really honored to be here with you.

[1709] Thank you, sir.

[1710] That was this whole speech.

[1711] I give you for your trust.

[1712] I give you for your confidence.

[1713] Like this is acting.

[1714] Yeah.

[1715] In me. I've personally, personally been very privileged to see what you do to help, to protect, to serve all of us.

[1716] See, what's that mean?

[1717] Protect and serve?

[1718] Protect my fucking gay rumors.

[1719] I don't know.

[1720] It's pretty kooky But at the end of it They salute El Ron Hubbard And they say To LRH And they all like Point to his fucking photograph And they salute it Which is one of my favorite There it is Like that Watch this To LRH They all stand up And salute Oh dude Okay So Elron Hubbard Was Not just a writer Not just a writer Of fiction But the single man Who wrote The Most fiction in human history he has the most published words of any human that has ever lived and if you ever read his stuff this motherfucker never made a second draft in his life they are terrible books terrible stories it's like the dumbest science fiction that you have ever read like some person with a mental illness is just rambling and writing all this stuff down and I think he initially wrote for like those pulp magazines like science fiction magazines back in the day and then wound up writing dionetics and you know Lawrence Wright covered him and the whole movement pretty extensively in going clear I read the book and there was a HBO documentary series on going clear all about Scientology and you know it was all of it a lot of it was like people that were former members of Scientology like Leah Remini that you know a certain point in time they were like but they're What the fuck am I doing?

[1721] Like, what is this?

[1722] And like, especially when you get to the highest levels of knowledge and then they allow you to go and read these scrolls that are just like so obviously crazy.

[1723] Like the Thetans came down and their frozen souls and they threw them in a volcano and the, you know, you're a container for this like.

[1724] But you only get access to this literature if you're like.

[1725] Exactly.

[1726] Somebody has released some of it.

[1727] There's people that have released some of it online.

[1728] Like you could find it.

[1729] I don't know if Scientology's had that stuff removed.

[1730] out of his Wikipedia.

[1731] Okay, here is.

[1732] October 1984, American judge issued a ruling writing of Hubbard that the evidence portrays a man who has been virtually a pathological liar when it comes to his history, background, and achievements.

[1733] In private affirmations, Hubbard wrote to himself, you can tell all the romantic tales you wish, you know which ones were lies, you are gallant and dashing and need to tell no lies at all.

[1734] You have enough real experiences to make anecdotes forever, stick to your true adventures, or if you wish, as you will, tell adventures which happen to others.

[1735] People accept them better.

[1736] I don't know what that means.

[1737] Oh, he wrote that to himself.

[1738] He wrote that to himself.

[1739] He also, like, gave himself a bunch of medals.

[1740] So there's, like, there's a photograph of him wearing, like, this C -org jacket on, and it's, like, littered with medals, like he was fucking overseas.

[1741] He claimed to have been wounded in combat, but was never awarded a Purple Heart.

[1742] Like, he lied, apparently.

[1743] about his military background and a bunch of different things.

[1744] And it appears, at least what Lawrence Wright is saying, that what he created Scientology for was sort of to self -analyze his own mental health issues.

[1745] And he utilized a lot of existing psychological literature to try to concoct Dianetics.

[1746] And Dianetics was a book that they would sell late -night TV.

[1747] Like, I bought it.

[1748] And this was like 1994.

[1749] I was reading Anthony Robin stuff.

[1750] And I was always trying to like better myself so reading self -help shit so I see this commercial for um dionetics it's like dionetics this book will unlock all the power of your minds like the commercial had like a volcano and all this different shit and like oh okay I'll try that out and for years after I ordered that book I don't think I ever read it either opening up a couple times and I lost interest For years, I got invited to seminars and programs and these different things that they would do.

[1751] They would just use this mailing list that they got from the suckers that ordered Dianetics, and then they would just try to get them to join Scientology.

[1752] Damn.

[1753] So it was like a big funnel system.

[1754] Yeah.

[1755] And it was super effective, too, because they were really good at recruiting famous actors.

[1756] So they had a ton of famous actors.

[1757] You know, it was obviously John Travolta and Christy Alley and Tom Cruise and that famously chef from South Park.

[1758] What was that guy's name?

[1759] The singer.

[1760] Isaac Hayes.

[1761] So Isaac Hayes wound up leaving South Park because South Park was shitting on Scientology.

[1762] So is this sort of like the steroid use celebrity thing where you just don't ask them about it?

[1763] like in interviews for like the Scientology people like you would think if I'm having a chance to talk to Tom Cruise or whoever else I might ask a few things about this fucking yeah you know well I think in order to get access to Tom Cruise you have to be vetted as a person who's not gonna push him you're not gonna ask him any weird questions about Scientology or anything I think they're very controlling and obviously getting an interview with Tom Cruise is a big get so you have to agree to all these things I would imagine that that's part of the program right right that's just a guess though but the point is El Ron Hubbard literally wrote that if you really want to make money you start a religion that's crazy and that's what he did you literally I mean is like the religion all of his works consolidated or is it just a specific subsect of his random publishings I think it's not all of his work because most of his work is just pure fiction yeah and then you know he had the the stuff where it were at least Lawrence Wright's assertionist that he was trying to to psychologically manage his own issues.

[1764] So was his assertion that his fictional work is to be disregarded as connected to this, and this is actually real?

[1765] Yes.

[1766] But meanwhile, his fictional work mirrors, like, the nonsense in his fictional work mirrors the nonsense in Scientology.

[1767] It just seems so fucking kooky.

[1768] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1769] Like, what do they believe?

[1770] Like, what are the Thetons thing?

[1771] Like, there's something really kooky about what the underlying principles of Scientology and what their core belief is.

[1772] With the point where some of the people in going clear, like they're talking about seeing it.

[1773] Well, this combines two of our favorite stories from this podcast, the Trapped in the Closet thing, R. Kelly.

[1774] Oh, yeah.

[1775] This is the Trapped in the Closet episode of South Park.

[1776] Right.

[1777] And it's Tom Cruise.

[1778] Show, yeah.

[1779] Yeah.

[1780] They show it in full cartoon.

[1781] Oh, and they explain.

[1782] Yeah, this is exactly, on the screen, it says like this is exactly what's in their book or something like that.

[1783] We'll play that then.

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