#439 - Remi Warren, Dan Doty

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[3] So, because of two, these two men that are here today, one of them is responsible for turning me into a hunting nut.

[4] Dan Doty was a big part of that, the experience of going to Montana.

[5] And Remy Warren, if you've ever watched any of the shows on, is it the Sportsman's channel?

[6] Yeah, well, the meat eaters on the sportsmen's, I've done some stuff with Steve, and then, solo hunters is on outdoor channel.

[7] It's on outdoor channel.

[8] There's three channels on direct TV that are pretty much all hunting and fishing.

[9] What's the third one?

[10] I don't know.

[11] It's like pursuit or something like that.

[12] And so every time I tune in, if I'm looking for, like my dressing room this weekend, I was in Phoenix doing stand -up and we just had hunting shows on a dressing room all the time.

[13] I'm fucking bananas.

[14] I'm nuts.

[15] You really do.

[16] You just watch them all the time.

[17] Oh, dude, I'm sick.

[18] You don't really care what you is.

[19] You watch whatever?

[20] They're terrible.

[21] A lot of them are awful.

[22] I was telling you guys before that there was one that was watching where a kid was getting interviewed, and he had his hand up to block the son as their camera is interviewing him.

[23] And he was like, well, you know, we're going to go out today and hopefully we'll be successful.

[24] And I'm like, do you know there's a fucking sun's glaring in this kid's face?

[25] Can you move this camera?

[26] Can you move the couch?

[27] Like, what the fuck are you guys doing?

[28] And it's one of the things that I really did appreciate about your show, Meat Eater, that you produce, is that it's just so much better shot.

[29] It's so much more interesting.

[30] The narration is, it's articulate, it's fascinating, it's introspective, you know.

[31] It's a full picture.

[32] It's a great show.

[33] And I was trying to show this to my wife the other day.

[34] I'm like, this fucking show is too good to just be tucked away on a hunting channel.

[35] Because the hunting channel programs, for the most part, don't attract regular folks.

[36] But I really think that show is so well made that it could be on a travel channel or, you know, discovery.

[37] I agree with you.

[38] It's a great fucking show.

[39] What did your wife think?

[40] She thinks I'm fucking crazy.

[41] She doesn't want to talk to me. She doesn't want to sit in front of the couch watching animals die.

[42] You know, especially yesterday it was a rough one because I was watching the lion hunt that I was telling you about.

[43] Pigman was shooting lions with a bow and arrow.

[44] And these lions are just laying there sleeping.

[45] And he's creeping up on him and pumps an arrow into their heart.

[46] And she's like, I got to go.

[47] I can't watch this.

[48] Yes.

[49] It just shows like that, you know, the normal guy going, oh, I'm going to check this out.

[50] And then they turn on one of those shows.

[51] They're like, what the hell is going on here?

[52] you know but then comes along guy like dan dody just makes some awesome stuff that could be anywhere and you know i mean you can find these really good shows on there as well that are full of adventure and just being out there being a man you know there's no way i can sit here i can't take credit for that shit there's no there's no there's no you're not taking credit for but you are a part of it sure sure yeah but there's a huge like very crew very creative very like fantastic team that makes that show yes that's a very important thing and that's that shows how humble you you are that you brought that up that it that's a very important aspect of anything that comes out well there's a team behind it and especially a big time tv show there's a fucking team of people behind the scenes and and and we give a shit and steve you know has an incredibly intelligent way to to do what he does and to talk about what he does and we have people who can edit and shoot and run the show it's just it's it's a big deal and having uh you know bringing rami out there has been a perfect fit for us too it's i think i can't watch hunting tv i can barely watch our show.

[53] I love our show.

[54] I can barely watch our show, but I really, I could not sit like you and watch hunting TV in general.

[55] I just can't do it.

[56] I watch it all the time, but I'm obsessed right now with hunting.

[57] I mean, hopefully it'll calm down a little bit, but I'm obsessed.

[58] He never will, man. I was, like, born into it, and I'm, I'm more obsessed now than I was when I first got into it.

[59] How old do you know?

[60] I'm 28 now.

[61] And you've been hunting your entire life?

[62] Yeah, I mean, I don't remember a time where I wasn't hunting.

[63] I think, like, I remember a birthday party when I was a kid, you know, and And had to be like first grade and my, you know, got some kind of pellet gun or whatever.

[64] You know, we set up this little thing in the backyard, just all these balloons and targets.

[65] And I was a kid, when I was in first grade, man, I just sit there, pow, pow, pow, pow, all day long.

[66] Just shooting and stalking things and just.

[67] Where did you grow up?

[68] I grew up in Reno, Nevada.

[69] Oh, wow.

[70] Yeah, you got to have a gun if you live in Reno.

[71] Just for the people.

[72] Yeah.

[73] Just for the people.

[74] You have to hunt.

[75] Exactly.

[76] I mean, Johnny Cash even shot a guy in Reno, right?

[77] That's right, just to watch them die.

[78] I mean, it shows you.

[79] Johnny was a nice guy.

[80] It shows you what kind of an effect that fucking town has on you.

[81] Yeah, I first found out about you because of meat eater.

[82] The episode where you guys, well, there was a couple of them you went on.

[83] One of them you went to New Zealand, right?

[84] Yeah.

[85] And then there was another, was that the one where you had to travel that crazy fucking river?

[86] Yeah.

[87] Steve shot that shamby across the river and they had to cross it.

[88] And that was pretty woolly, man. That was one of those bad ass moments.

[89] our show in the last couple yeah it was that was hairy and that wasn't a bullshit fake that was nothing you know that iceberg was coming down to and we had that line across there and we're all looking each other like yeah we may film someone die here today this is part of my duties too is I'm kind of like the medical guy or officer on the crew too I was scared shitless that day yeah and Steve doesn't have a whole lot of fear Rami doesn't have much fear and that's fine but to manage that shit in the field that was sketchy man that was like but then the product that that sequence of that actual action in the moment to me that's the most exciting well it's so exciting and they didn't play it up with them some stupid cliffhanger at the like you know like oh jesus like pretend he slips a little bit yeah there was none of that it was just the drama of the real situation of trying to cross a freezing glacial river was more than enough oh yeah it was amazing it was fucking scary yeah yeah i mean you know like we before i mean we we kind of had to think about this, you know.

[90] I stuck my hand in there and we timed how long before your joints stopped moving, you know?

[91] And it was like 60 seconds in that water.

[92] You're done.

[93] You are done.

[94] Ice water.

[95] Literally.

[96] Just just warming out to not be ice anymore.

[97] God damn.

[98] And then the next day we get up and climbed up, you know, 3 ,000 feet up mountain and almost slipped off a cliff door.

[99] The integrity of your show, the fact that I know when I watched that, that all this is real.

[100] When we did that thing in Montana, when we went a mule deer hunting, There was no bullshit.

[101] There was no faking anything.

[102] There's no fake scenarios.

[103] There's a show that I really love.

[104] It's Alaska, The Last Frontier.

[105] But I watched it the other day, and they're fly fishing, and in the middle of fishing, all of a sudden the bear shows up, and the bear's eating some salmon.

[106] And they're like, oh, shit, a bear's here.

[107] We've got to get out of here.

[108] Then I look at the salmon, and the fucking salmon's been filleted.

[109] They've taken the fillets off the salmon and threw the carcasses out for the bear.

[110] bear they baited this fucking bear to come up to the river and I'm like God damn it you ran out of shit that's interesting I can't think at first they were just all homesteading and shit but then now they got to fake some some Hollywood producer Dick Wads gonna get a hold of it and try to fake things they underestimate the intelligence of the average American viewer man they it's like almost insulting to watch some of this stuff and say it's some guy that's never seen a salmon in his life thinks it's a good idea to do that and they think that nobody's going to know yeah Like, okay.

[111] It's me clean fillets on both sides.

[112] I mean, just like, so obvious that this thing came out of a cooler and someone chucked it.

[113] And Q Bigfoot.

[114] Yeah.

[115] I think they underestimate part of America's intelligence, and then they perfectly nail a lot of America's intelligence.

[116] Because people eat it up.

[117] You guys were the first time I found out about Duck Dynasty.

[118] When we're on that trip, you were goofing on it.

[119] You and Steve were going back and forth goofing on Duck Dynasty.

[120] Like, you done lost your redneck.

[121] And I ain't lost my redneck And I was like, what is this fucking show?

[122] And you're like, this is this unbelievably stupid show That's so obviously fake about these guys that have duck calls Which then became the biggest show on TV Dude, it crushed our show My sci -fi show that I was doing for a while When I first started doing it, the ratings were excellent And then we went up against Duck Dynasty And got stomped I mean, everybody It was like the highest rated premiere Ever in cable TV history for a show like that My dad loves it.

[123] My dad doesn't show me. Especially now that the guy done came out and stood up for heterosexuals.

[124] You know what?

[125] A man can't have his own opinion?

[126] Yeah, I think a man's ass is a shitty choice as well.

[127] Everybody gets all fucking crazy and riled up.

[128] God damn you taking away their First Amendment rights.

[129] How did that resolve?

[130] They just fucking, they backed off.

[131] I mean, I think it's A &E, right?

[132] It's just hilarious, right?

[133] A &E used to be like old plays.

[134] like masterpiece theater and shit, you know?

[135] And now it's this fucking fake show about these guys who just grew their beard out only for this show.

[136] Have you ever seen those photos of them?

[137] No. Oh, it came out since the show that they didn't used to look like that at all.

[138] They were normal guys.

[139] Like they had like a regular, you know, facial hair.

[140] And they grew it all out for the show.

[141] So they started on a hunting channel.

[142] They started with Duck Commander.

[143] Right.

[144] I think, right?

[145] So, like, when I was a kid, man, duck commander videos were the shit i mean it was like you know phil roberts would be out there and his duck blind and he would say some funny stuff and like i literally learned how to call ducks from duck commander videos like as a kid you know so like you see like you know and i don't know how many other people have had that experience but nobody ever taught me out of duck hunt you know and so i was like i was like any kind of hunting i could do i wanted to do so i would teach myself whatever did he have a beard books video oh yeah yeah this is what they looked like this is all those guys No shit.

[146] Yes, that's them.

[147] Why do we have one with a duck flying through?

[148] We can find...

[149] I mean, it's crazy.

[150] They're like golfers.

[151] They're like suburban, like, gated community golfers.

[152] I don't know.

[153] I don't know that much about their store.

[154] I don't know either, but...

[155] I mean, who cares?

[156] I mean, like, they're just selling duck blinds.

[157] And my point was that you guys don't do any fake shit, you know?

[158] And not doing fake shit, it's still a really fucking exciting show.

[159] Steve sent me the one from this upcoming season where he gets charged by the moose.

[160] Did you see that?

[161] Fuck, yeah, I did.

[162] I saw it five times.

[163] Yeah, no, isn't it?

[164] That fucking moment, man. Dude, that's crazy.

[165] That's awesome.

[166] He got fucking, he took a brisket show.

[167] I don't want to say anything.

[168] You know, I don't want to give it away because I don't want to spoil the drama when it comes on television.

[169] What I've said has not spoiled it at all, though.

[170] Holy shit.

[171] It's a great fucking show.

[172] It's not just a hunting show.

[173] It's a great show.

[174] And that's what I was trying to convince my wife.

[175] I'm like, this is a good fucking show.

[176] She's like, okay, crazy.

[177] you know whatever most people do once they do see it though that they don't get it yeah most people get it yeah they'll understand that it's not i mean there's there's so much explicit sort of conversation about what we're doing yeah it makes sense it's clear well we were in wisconsin freezing our dicks off we were in that that deer blind it was cold as fuck and dan dody steps outside of the blind and he's taking all these crazy shots and i was thinking man you fucking work hard dude you guys work hard everyone who you and Mo and everyone on that show, that is a fucking 24 -hour day job, too, because you don't get off at 9 o 'clock in the night, you know, boy, a long day, but at least I go back to my hotel room.

[178] The fuck you do, you're sleeping on the ground.

[179] Or in the basement.

[180] Yeah, or in the basement at Doug Duren's house, you know, in Wisconsin.

[181] It's called this fuck up there, too.

[182] Shit.

[183] I was think I go pretty hard, you know, and then these guys come to New Zealand, you got all film crew's coming.

[184] This is my first dealing with them, you know?

[185] And New Zealand's not for pussies, man. It's like the roughest place on the planet So they tell me there's film crews coming And I'm like, oh God, well, I don't know how this is going to work And these dudes are running around the truck I'm like, I thought I went pretty good And you know, if I put a GPS on them They hunt like a bird dog They're just out in front of you up back in Up the mountain, down the mountain You're like, holy cow Well, when we were in Montana, we were going through the badlands And it's high altitude, it's really cold And it's exhausting because it's all mud You're walking through the mud These guys are running in front of us Like, I'm exhausted just from hiking.

[186] They're running in front of us to film us being exhausted.

[187] You guys probably put out an extra 40 % more calories than anybody.

[188] Because you're also carrying this giant -ass fucking camera up this mountain.

[189] Like, the rifle at least is strapped to my shoulders.

[190] I'm moving my arms and shit.

[191] You guys have to carry this fucking thing as you're going up.

[192] I'm proud of my one -handed abilities.

[193] I learned this all from Mo. And his ethic and his way is why the show is what it is and why I learned.

[194] I didn't know how to shoot a camera for it.

[195] Mo, who's the director.

[196] You didn't know how to shoot a camera?

[197] I'm a director now.

[198] He was a director.

[199] He's not doing a whole lot with meat eater anymore, but, yeah, I didn't.

[200] He taught me every goddamn thing I know.

[201] I didn't know a thing about making TV, about shooting.

[202] Yeah, Mo goes to the gym and puts a big pack on, filled with shit, and gets on a stair climber to prepare for work.

[203] He says the best shape he was ever in was from surfing, and then he went out and kicked Steve's ass in the field.

[204] He was able to run laps around Steve, but it was surfing that they got him to that shape.

[205] That's interesting.

[206] I wouldn't feel like surfing would be that exhaustive.

[207] Oh, man. Yeah, I went surfing one time with my brother in the Dominican Republic.

[208] You know, and I'm thinking like, oh, yeah, this can't be that bad.

[209] I was so gassed by the time I got out to catch a wave.

[210] I was like, screw this.

[211] I'm going back.

[212] Just from swimming?

[213] Yeah.

[214] Yeah, swimming's no joke.

[215] You're just trying to paddle out there, man. Actually, that does make sense.

[216] I was just thinking of the surfing itself.

[217] I didn't take no account of swimming out to surf.

[218] But then you use all those muscles, like every muscle.

[219] you know you're trying to stay balanced and you stay on the way yeah everything it's yeah yeah i would imagine well i was surprised at how fucking hard the hiking was in montana that was the one thing that shocked me because i was in pretty good shape when i went there too luckily because i was thinking like as we were going up to sales like what if i was a fuckhead and i didn't work out all the time or i drank a lot or something like this is fucking hardcore shit you did well calanded well you both you both showed up we got lucky we got lucky that we were in shape you know You couldn't do that if you weren't in shape.

[220] It's fucking hard.

[221] You couldn't hunt like Randy hunts or like Steve.

[222] You couldn't hunt like we hunt.

[223] I mean, most people don't hunt that way.

[224] As you've sort of seen now, too, it's not.

[225] Not everybody hunts.

[226] I've taken a lot of dudes, and a lot of them puked the first day.

[227] Just dying.

[228] Just dying.

[229] Well, Steve was telling him about these big power lifter guys that he took out, you know, that they were saying, you know, you guys are in good shape?

[230] Yeah, we're in good shape.

[231] He goes, 30 minutes in, they're red in the face and throwing up.

[232] Oh, yeah.

[233] You know, there's, like, a huge difference between being hill fit and fit for other things.

[234] Because, like, I've been doing this my whole life.

[235] I do it, shit, about 200 more days a year.

[236] Like, a couple years ago, I was 324 days in the bush, you know?

[237] So it's like, it's nothing.

[238] It's just another day, you know, but you build up this kind of fitness, you know, for going uphill.

[239] I'm good at going uphill.

[240] Flat, don't like.

[241] It's like muscle memory.

[242] uphill, works every time.

[243] You just do it all the time.

[244] That's the case with everything.

[245] With martial arts, the more you get efficiency of movement, your body understands that movement can do it over and over again, then you have this massive endurance in it.

[246] Exactly.

[247] You know, like, legs is especially, when you think about, like, how ridiculous it is that your legs just carry around all day, and under normal circumstances, never get tired.

[248] You know, your legs, you walk to work, you sit down, you walk around the office, there's no problem.

[249] Think about if you had to carry 120 pounds with your arms.

[250] You know, it's ridiculous Just carrying it with your arms Forget about like moving constantly And shifting weight Your legs could do some pretty amazing things Which is why kickboxing It's such a great way to fight Because your legs can do shit That your upper body can just never do The amount of force that you can generate What do you think the ratio is of force From your leg to your arm?

[251] It's ridiculous It's off the charts It's several times 20 maybe It spends on what kind of kick But like a spinning back kick Have you ever seen someone who really knows how to kick a bag, kick a bag with a turning side kick or spinning back kick.

[252] It goes flying.

[253] I have a 150 pound bag and it launches through the air.

[254] I can't do that with a punch.

[255] If you kick somebody like that, it's like hitting them with a car.

[256] They just go flying.

[257] You could just do shit with your legs.

[258] You could never do with your arms.

[259] Think about it like all your weights in that foot that's spinning too.

[260] When you're punching, you know, both feet are planted.

[261] You know, you're pushing, you're using momentum.

[262] But you're like when you're spinning around, you throw every bit of weight into that foot.

[263] It's deadly.

[264] It's also the same.

[265] size your feet.

[266] It's so much bigger than the size of your hand.

[267] The bigger hands are, the hardy you can punch.

[268] And your big, your foot's way bigger than your fucking hand.

[269] It's heavier bone.

[270] Think about how much you can hit with your heel where it never bothers your heel at all.

[271] You could run on concrete with your heel and literally get away with it.

[272] You couldn't punch concrete once, you know, so the amount of force that you could generate with your legs and your feet.

[273] It's crazy.

[274] It's just a little more difficult to do because you're balancing on one leg.

[275] It's a little slower because the bones are heavier.

[276] But God damn, when it lands, it's ridiculous.

[277] You know, like the amount of have head kicks that land in the UFC and wound up being knockouts, it's pretty fucking high.

[278] You kick somebody in the head, it's usually not good.

[279] But it was just still very surprising to me, the endurance that you need to just walk up hills.

[280] You need some serious endurance.

[281] And Dan was telling me that you did some crazy V -O -Max test and wound up like an elite endurance athlete.

[282] Yeah, so we did this for actually this new show that we'll probably end up talking about here.

[283] We did this V -O -2 max test, which for people that don't know what that is, it measures your endurance capability.

[284] So it's essentially where, at what point your body goes anaerobic, how much oxygen you take in and then carbon dioxide out.

[285] And then what happens is your body, your muscles work on oxygen.

[286] So once your muscles can't take in any more oxygen, your body goes anaerobic, your endurance is over, you know?

[287] You get gas.

[288] You get gas.

[289] You just hit a wall.

[290] You hit a wall.

[291] So we did this.

[292] V -O -2 max test, right?

[293] And essentially, coming back, I mean, the average, what's an average guy, like 60?

[294] No, not even.

[295] I think like 40.

[296] 45.

[297] Yeah, so like an average guy is about 45.

[298] I had a V -O -2 max test at 4 ,500 feet elevation of 83 .6.

[299] So in comparing that maybe to elevation, that might have been like around 86, 87.

[300] But so like, people listen to, well, 86, 87 was that?

[301] So, Lance Armstrong, when he was blood doping, had a VO2 max test done, and it was around, what was it, 84, 84, I think.

[302] Wow.

[303] So, and, I mean, think about it, like, Lance Armstrong, we know him as he's done some serious endurance shit.

[304] Yeah.

[305] You know, and here's a guy myself that's just out there every day hiking up, I mean, I'm hiking at Monster Mountains.

[306] I've got a 40 -pound pack on, on average, and then when I'm packing stuff out, it might be my body weight.

[307] you know, through these mountains.

[308] But I'm doing it on top of that.

[309] Yeah, like an animal.

[310] Yeah, like, you know, I say I maxed my pack out about 150, 170 pounds, and I weigh about 150, 170 pounds somewhere in there.

[311] You know, so, I mean, you're really carrying a lot of weight, going uphill mostly, you know, up and down, obviously.

[312] And just doing it every day, day and day out.

[313] It's like there's no better type of endurance training.

[314] You think about it.

[315] I mean, I normally do about 20 miles a day and a lot of elevation gain.

[316] I did just one year.

[317] It wasn't my biggest year.

[318] It's just more of an average year.

[319] I tracked my elevation gain.

[320] And within one season, I would have done enough vertical up to climb ever 16 times.

[321] That's not the miles.

[322] That's just straight elevation gain.

[323] That's insane.

[324] I mean, thousands of miles every year.

[325] know, I think my, my largest year I've estimated that it'd probably be like summiting ever 60 times, something like that.

[326] 60 times!

[327] Yeah, it's just so much, I mean, you know, you go do 3 ,000 feet a day, and you're doing it for 300 days, and you just starts adding up, you know?

[328] Did you see that chart?

[329] Did you see that the excellent category for 18 to 26 -year -old males was 60 in the highest care?

[330] Yeah, we'll put that up again, Jamie.

[331] So this 80 something, we're talking fucking freaks.

[332] It's crazy.

[333] Like, freak.

[334] Not just high, but like...

[335] The dudes that administered...

[336] I mean, this was like people might come and look, oh, was it a real...

[337] No, this was a legit test.

[338] These guys do, you know, professional athletes, everything.

[339] The guy that had done it, Rob, I mean, he looked at me and he's like, I've been doing this for 24 years.

[340] Highest I've ever seen was a 74.

[341] He's like, this is nuts, you know?

[342] And he kind of like, he's like, oh, you're a hunter, you know?

[343] And it kind of came in there.

[344] I just kind of like, you know, came in there and lowballed him.

[345] You know, he was like, do you work out much?

[346] I was like, no, I mean, I work.

[347] you know you don't really work out no you know you just climb up hills with shit on your back yeah I mean when I when I when it's like my off what I call my off season it's any day that I'm not out out in the woods um you know I'll do workouts because otherwise I just get lazy lethargic you know right place and like what do you do for a workout if you're if you're not hunting oh I mean it could be I like to run I mean I don't like to run I don't like to run if they tell you that they're lying but I think they like the high yeah they like the high I mean, I like, I like to run, I guess, you know, for as much as you like running.

[348] I'll do just like body weight stuff, you know, pull up, sit.

[349] Because the thing, the thing that I've learned for me is I'm just, my body type is endurance.

[350] That's it.

[351] I'm built for endurance.

[352] So for me to go do sit -ups, I'll be there all day.

[353] Like, it doesn't do shit, you know?

[354] It's just, so I would have to change my, because I went to my buddy Joe Dibble, he does, like, physical fitness, training, nutrition, everything.

[355] I was like, man, I want to get big.

[356] And so he's like, all right, let's do some stuff.

[357] And he's like, dude, for you to get big, you're going to have to change your complete, like, we have to completely change your muscles from these endurance muscles to muscles that are just like power.

[358] Yeah, but you're so young and in such good shape.

[359] I don't think it would be that hard.

[360] Yeah.

[361] The real issue with it is you run the risk of being injured.

[362] Right.

[363] Because if you want to get big, you have to do power lifting stuff.

[364] Yeah.

[365] Like, you have to do dead lifts and squats.

[366] And the only way to really get big is you got to start doing like sets of three.

[367] you know three reps max and you know when you get to that third you're like when you do that man you're there's everything's getting stressed to its limit and so your body starts freaking out and goes we gotta fucking get bigger and then if you're shoveling protein down your face and by the way farting up a fucking horrendous storm during the day why because you're gonna take in too much protein your body's not gonna know what to do with a lot of it if you want to really do it right you almost have to overload your system You can, I mean, there's a lot of different schools of thought when it comes to getting big, but almost universally they agree that you need a high level of protein in your body.

[368] And if you're eating like, you know, you're drinking like way protein and all that, you're just going to fart, man, all the time.

[369] My friend Tate, when Tate was when he was really big, when he was competing on the ultimate fighter, dude was just constantly pounding protein bars and he would fart.

[370] It was so bad that, like, people would run out of a room.

[371] I mean, I'm not kidding.

[372] They would run away.

[373] He farted once in the lobby of the comedy store in La Jolla, and people started screaming.

[374] They were screaming like, my God, what the fuck is that?

[375] And it's just impacted bowels filled with undigested protein, meating digestive enzymes and acids.

[376] That's no fun.

[377] Nah.

[378] Just open the gates of hell.

[379] I'm just going to stick to the hiking, I think.

[380] Yeah.

[381] For you to get bigger, you'd have to do some serious, like, you'd have to lift some serious weights.

[382] Especially if you can carry a pack that much, that heavy all the time, you would have to go heavy.

[383] You would have to be doing like 315 pounds and things like that.

[384] But then you'd be worthless in the mountains.

[385] Oh, yeah.

[386] You got all bulky.

[387] Yep.

[388] Yeah.

[389] It's like a, you know, it's a weight to leg ratio, in my opinion.

[390] It's like my legs can carry a lot of weight, but my body's light, like, my upper body, real light, you know.

[391] So I trade in that weight and throw something to my pack.

[392] But if your legs are that strong, I guarantee you your arms would adapt.

[393] If you force your arms to do things like a lot of chin -ups or things along those lines, I bet you'd fucking be able to bang off 20 of them.

[394] Because if you're in that kind of shape, dude, that's a huge advantage if you ever wanted to do jujitsu.

[395] If you ever wanted to learn a martial art, Jiu -jitsu, one of the big things about jiu -jitsu is just getting tired.

[396] Because, you know, you're straining against another grown man who's trying to kill you.

[397] You know, it's exhausting.

[398] And one of the big things that Jiu -Jitsu guys, like, universally try to figure out is what's the best kind of strength and conditioning workout.

[399] Like, a lot of guys run dunes.

[400] That's a big one, sand dunes.

[401] Oh, yeah.

[402] I've been curious about Jiu -Jitsu.

[403] I did Taekwondo as a kid.

[404] Yeah.

[405] I did Taekwondo for a long time.

[406] Did Taekwondo for a long time.

[407] My roommate Jake's, like, big into Jiu -Jitsu now.

[408] He went in over to Thailand, did some Muay, you know?

[409] So I've been like, I think that's going to be my inn to, if I didn't do it.

[410] Where you live?

[411] You live in Reno?

[412] You live in Reno?

[413] Yeah.

[414] I know there's got to be one near there.

[415] I just got my nephew into it.

[416] My nephew was a wrestler.

[417] Is that what you do, do you practice that?

[418] Yeah.

[419] Yeah, well, I started out in Taekwondo.

[420] I used to teach Taekwendo.

[421] It was a U .S. Open champion.

[422] I won the Massachusetts State title four years in a row.

[423] Before I ever became a comedian, that's what I used to do.

[424] I used to teach Taekwendo for a living.

[425] Wow.

[426] Yeah.

[427] And then I didn't get into Jitsu until 96.

[428] I found out about the UFC.

[429] And then I started in L .A. It's interesting.

[430] Yeah.

[431] My Taekwondo instructor when I was a kid was like my, I don't know, my gateway into becoming a real human I think you really he was a good guy mine as well yeah be becoming a man dealing with difficult shit same here yeah martial arts you know there's a lot of goofiness to martial arts there's a lot of sort of cult stuff you know a lot of times it can get really weird especially the the instructor winds up being abusive you know there was always this this weirdness of this one guy who was the you know the leader that everyone was terrified of and thought he was this this great master that could kill anyone on the planet dude if you knew about my master if he got in the UFC it would be be too deadly you know there's always that but no that's interesting actually so the same guy who was so good for me ended up marrying one of his young students how old how old was she?

[432] I think she was 17 oh Jesus Christ and he was in his deep 30s late 20s oh that's not type of what belt was she wicked black belt we tested for a black belt together yeah you'd be great a jiu jitsu just do it if you want to do it it's great martial art it's to me the best martial art because you can go full blast and you don't have to worry about brain trauma you know the thing about kickboxing is you can only spar so much just little sparring just little thumps you know just not even full blast just getting hit with jabs and stuff your your head gets rattled and that all that accumulates the cumulative damage inside your brain it's just not good my grandpa was a professional boxer and uh yeah i mean his end of life wasn't as good as his beginning of life you know what i'm saying i mean by the time it was over is my dad and me, probably the only guys he even knew the name of half the time.

[433] Yeah.

[434] But I have friends that I started out with that have brain damage now, and I knew them when I didn't.

[435] I knew them when they were fine.

[436] And now if I go back to Boston and I see them, I talk to them, I see it.

[437] I see it.

[438] They're always drunk.

[439] That's what it's like.

[440] It's like always being drunk.

[441] Like, hey, is everything good out there?

[442] You know, is it like it out there?

[443] Is it everything good out there?

[444] So, then they'll repeat stories.

[445] Like, they'll tell your story and then repeat it just to, a minute later and then try it again like a minute after that it's it's sad sad when you remember how a guy used to be fine and you're the same age as him and you're like oh fuck like this is what happens this is unavoidable you get hit in the head too many times is what happens but you don't get that in jiu -jitsu but you would have a giant advantage dude then you have fucking great endurance too man you'd have a giant and you're a big guy the endurance that you have is unusual for a guy as big as heavy as you are so that's the things that my body puts on muscle very very easily, but I tend to have a more endurance lifestyle, so my body's a little confused.

[446] It's like, what the fuck you're doing, man?

[447] Yeah, your dad's a stocky fellow as well.

[448] Yeah.

[449] And a hell of a fucking cook.

[450] He is, isn't he?

[451] Oh, dude.

[452] His dad hooked us up when we're in Wisconsin at Deer Camp.

[453] His dad was the chef.

[454] Nice.

[455] Oh, dude.

[456] He cooked everything, man. He made chili and really good food.

[457] Halibit Covecce.

[458] That was...

[459] I think, too, man, doesn't everything taste better after Hunting Day?

[460] I mean...

[461] Yeah.

[462] I mean, yeah.

[463] You just use up everything and no matter what you put you could put it like a nasty bologna sandwich i've enjoyed more bologna i've never eaten we ate bologna we ate deer that i shot we ate it maybe what two hours later yeah if even if even two hours it was amazing just fresh off the frying pan crackle boom like that it doesn't get any and delicious yeah fresh meat the heart's like the best it's the most tender out of a fresh kill is the heart and you wouldn't think it you know You know, but it's actually, like, compared to other organs, you know, the hearts and muscle.

[464] And, you know, off of what happens, like, when you shoot your deer, rigor comes into the animal.

[465] And that's why right off the bat, you know, that back steak might be a little chewy.

[466] And then you let it, you know, wait a week or whatever.

[467] And what's happening is that rigor is breaking down.

[468] And it's actually, you know, the meat's almost decomposing over time.

[469] That's when you get those, like, dry -aged steaks.

[470] You're just eating rotten meat.

[471] It's so good.

[472] Is that weird?

[473] But it takes that much time for the rigor to break down.

[474] Eating so much fresh meat on meat eater now, I have a taste for fresh meat.

[475] I have a taste for that sort of copper metallic.

[476] Can you put that close to your face?

[477] Yeah, yeah.

[478] I have a taste for fresh meat, that almost metal taste.

[479] And I do not like aged meat.

[480] I don't either.

[481] I'm 100 % with you.

[482] I don't eat aged meat anymore unless I have to if I'm in a restaurant.

[483] Somebody forces me. But if I eat beef, I try to eat.

[484] I have a ranch that I buy from that's near me. that's 100 % grass -fed.

[485] They don't supplement with corn at all.

[486] And it's a dark red meat.

[487] It's like a game meat.

[488] It's weird.

[489] It's like the cattle looks different.

[490] It's less fat on it.

[491] It looks natural.

[492] It's not supposed to.

[493] Yeah.

[494] It's supposed to.

[495] But the grossest thing is when you go to the butcher and you see the dry age situation.

[496] You see what they're doing?

[497] You're like, the fuck are you doing that meat?

[498] You're ruining a big percentage of it, first of all, because the outside, they cut it off.

[499] That rotten brown shit.

[500] Yeah.

[501] It's fucked.

[502] Yeah, I don't, you know, I'm not.

[503] Like, I'm the kind of guy that I eat wild.

[504] I eat stuff I kill.

[505] I eat game meat.

[506] I eat wild meat.

[507] And when you eat that, like, it's hard to explain to somebody that doesn't.

[508] Because when you eat that, it feels like food in your body.

[509] Like, you feel regenerated.

[510] It feels good.

[511] You know, like, I eat a lot of elk because I guide hunters for elk, and that's one thing that I always hunt.

[512] And an elk steak is red meat, but it has less cholesterol than skinless chicken.

[513] Wow.

[514] So people, so if your doctor's like, no. No, no red meat.

[515] No, it's not no red meat.

[516] It's no weird human mutated meat, which would be, like, corn -fed marbled beef.

[517] Yeah.

[518] I, like, I just always eat game meat.

[519] And then I wasn't even thinking about it.

[520] I had some clients show up, and they brought some steaks, like beefsteaks.

[521] So I just threw them on the grill.

[522] Like, I cook every, I mean, I cook all the time.

[523] And grills on fire.

[524] I'm like, holy shit, what's going on?

[525] And I realized, I haven't cooked a beef steak and probably ever.

[526] I don't know.

[527] You know, it's a weird thing.

[528] think like I just don't I've never cooked beef you just always eat game always eat game yeah I don't I wondered if it's a placebo effect you know eating game like how good it makes you feel afterwards but the reason why I don't think it is is because of my kids I fed my three -year -old and my five -year -old venison and they go at it like they're fucking starving it's crazy like and then they keep eating it and they're like this is so good and they're really confused because they think deer's really cute they're like this is deer and I'm like it's deer and they're like it's yummy and I go yeah it's yummy and but I'm watching them eat it and like it's they eat it way more voraciously is that a word than they do it doesn't sound like it can be it doesn't sound like it way more aggressively than they eat meat like if I give them steak if I just chop up beef steak like they don't they'll eat it but there's like what is this well you know who else gets it are our vegans and like raw food people on the other end of the spectrum they're very crunchy sort of hippie because they'll say the same thing I eat this food.

[529] It makes me feel alive.

[530] It just feels better somehow.

[531] It's the same thing with wild meat.

[532] Well, yeah, they're right.

[533] You know, vegans are right.

[534] I feel great when I eat a lot of like really fresh leafy vegetables.

[535] I drink kale shakes all the time in the morning and I feel fantastic.

[536] I feel all the nutrients in my body.

[537] The problem with vegans, of course, is just this crazy, self -righteous, moral high ground attitude about eating animals.

[538] I get the idea.

[539] I get the idea of not wanting to do harm but if you look at like real studies as far as like farming goes unless you're growing all of your own vegetables it's very likely you're participating in mass death you know the death of rabbits and rodents and the destruction of habitat in order to plant these crops and god forbid if you're using fucking pesticides and what what damage you're doing to the environment like it's not that goddamn simple no humans create so many externalities on everything i mean you you take a a plant that was never supposed to be here and plant it and you just wiped out something that should have been there you know i mean we cannot you can't go back from that yeah we fucked up a lot of things like that right yeah it's i don't know i i get where vegans are coming from i get someone wanting to be a nice person but it's just what i've always said is you know these animals don't live forever they're not bulletproof and they're made out of food yeah are you still going to try to be all wild game by the next year Yes, by 2014.

[540] I'm going pig hunting with Steve this weekend.

[541] We're going to hunt wild boar.

[542] I'm trying by the end of 2014 to be all wild game.

[543] Have you calculated how much you need?

[544] Yeah, I've got to kill some big shit.

[545] Yeah, that's where the elk comes into play.

[546] Like, freezer in my house, we've got two elk in it right now.

[547] We'll run through that for next season.

[548] Yeah, I want an elk for sure and maybe even a buffalo.

[549] There you go.

[550] The buffalo.

[551] You've got to get another.

[552] freezer.

[553] Yeah, that's a Partridge Family Tour Bus.

[554] Yeah.

[555] We killed a buffalo in Mexico.

[556] It was a young female.

[557] It was just the finest meat I've ever had.

[558] Really?

[559] By far in my entire life.

[560] Wow.

[561] Fantastic.

[562] That was wild, uh, that episode in Mexico because you got to see how these cultures learn how to preserve their meat in the absence of refrigerators and electricity.

[563] They came up with all these interesting methods in order to make sure that the meat didn't go bad.

[564] And one of them was they would take these very thin strips of steak and then hang it over like, like a hangar and it would all dry out and then they would chop it up and reconstitute it with water and then cook with it was called machaca yeah yeah i'd had machaca and eggs before at a mexican joint but i didn't know what the fuck it was and i just took i go what's good and guys like macha and eggs like all right man like beef jerky and eggs yeah well it's not though it's like a pulled yeah it's once they reconstituted then it's yeah once they get it wet again just soak it yeah they add water to it yeah i don't i don't know they stew it they stew it Oh, okay.

[565] Yeah, that makes sense.

[566] Yeah, but it was wild watching these different people and these different cultures try to preserve meat and figure out how they, you know, they would like try to figure out how to keep it to stay alive with the ones you're going to have to shoot another buffalo in a couple of days when everything starts rotten.

[567] Can you picture the little old lady on there that cut their meat up and dried?

[568] Can you picture her face?

[569] My grandpa has a crush on her.

[570] Really?

[571] Your grandma has a crush on her?

[572] Oh, yeah, you know, Charlie.

[573] Yeah, yeah, because when we did that Havillina, coyote, goose deer.

[574] That was a great episode.

[575] You guys ate a coyote.

[576] Yeah, that was interesting.

[577] It wasn't bad.

[578] It wasn't good.

[579] It wasn't bad.

[580] That was weird, though.

[581] What had gotten into the both of your heads?

[582] You and Steve Renella, shoot a fuck guy.

[583] When you got, like, me or Steve, like, you've been thinking about that since you're four years old.

[584] You're like, dude, I just want to eat a coyote one day.

[585] You know, and it's like, you get two of you together, and you're like, let's go eat some coyote.

[586] Let's see what it tastes like.

[587] Yeah, well, I might have to eat one.

[588] It's been sneaking around my yard.

[589] They're trying to figure out how to get to my chickens.

[590] Oh, yeah.

[591] Sneaky fucks.

[592] It's so weird.

[593] They'll get there.

[594] Oh, I know they will.

[595] These fucking creeps.

[596] I was in my yard.

[597] I was just about to let the chickens out.

[598] And I see this motherfucker looking through the fence.

[599] Just looking right at me and looking at the chickens and like, whoa, that's kind of creepy.

[600] It's like, imagine having a friend and you know that the friend is safe.

[601] But right outside the door, you could see a guy who wants to kill your friend.

[602] Yeah.

[603] And he's just like trying to figure out a way to get in.

[604] That's what it was.

[605] He's going to get in.

[606] kill your friend with his face.

[607] And these chickens are like my little friends.

[608] You know, they lay eggs.

[609] I say, hello girls.

[610] You know, I feed them.

[611] They buck and they come near you when you come out.

[612] And this cunty fucking dog wants to eat my friends.

[613] I had, we had some chickens, you know, we're deciding, okay, we're going to let them free.

[614] Because they got to get out and they got a peck and they got to get some bugs and they're just happier.

[615] Yeah.

[616] So we let the chickens out.

[617] Well, I didn't know their neighbor had a rooster.

[618] The rooster comes over, right?

[619] And he just claims my chickens.

[620] And so you'd go out to feed the chickens.

[621] the rooster would come attack you.

[622] I mean, he would just get up there, spur your legs, everything.

[623] So, I mean, this crazy rooster, and we could not keep him away from the chickens.

[624] I mean, he's raping my ladies.

[625] And I want, my goal was to eat unfertilized chicken eggs, you know?

[626] And so we're trying to think, like, we can't kill this dude's rooster.

[627] I mean, that's just not right.

[628] So I got this concrete rooster, and I put it out by the chicken coop.

[629] That rooster comes over and just starts fighting this concrete rooster.

[630] He kicked his own ass and just left.

[631] Never came back.

[632] So if you have rooster problems, man, just get a statue.

[633] That's amazing.

[634] That's amazing.

[635] What a dumb fucking animal.

[636] He was, like, scared to come back, you know?

[637] He just fought a rock, stupid.

[638] I was telling this story on the podcast.

[639] I don't know what it was, but I was going outside to close the coop at night because I forgot to close it.

[640] We have our lawn is, like, this large grassy area and there's an area where the chicken coop and they, you know, they just wander around the grass and eat bugs and shit.

[641] But right outside that is a fence and there's like this woods and shit.

[642] And I was stepping up to the fence and these deer just start, it's the middle of the night, like two o 'clock in the morning, just fucking hauling ass.

[643] Like, br -d -brum -brum -p -p -fucking, not because of me, because something was chasing them.

[644] I just happened to be close enough where it happened, and I don't know what it was, but I just stood there in silence and I'm hearing wild kingdom shit.

[645] You know, 100 pound deer at least Running away from whatever the fuck it was It's maybe coyotes You know maybe a mountain line I don't know I thought I saw a coyote like a silhouette Over the in the distance But it was you know like I said it's pretty dark out So it's hard to tell but no more than Couple me 150 feet at most from me It's like this crazy shit taking place Like right in my yard I live in suburbia you know I don't live in the woods Have you ever seen a lion or lion's sign?

[646] Seen two not in my neighborhood But I've seen two ever I saw one in Colorado that actually one, I've eaten my dog.

[647] I had a little dog get killed in Colorado by the mountain lion.

[648] What kind of dog?

[649] It's a little one.

[650] It was my wife's dog.

[651] It was a Pomeranian American Eskimo mix.

[652] Cute dog, too.

[653] Sad.

[654] But I have a giant dog, and the giant dog would pal around with the two little dogs, and everything was cool, but the giant dog hurt his arm.

[655] So he was inside, his paw.

[656] And so he was inside, and the two little dogs were out by themselves.

[657] And the mountain line was like, okay, this has been waiting for this.

[658] Here we go.

[659] This year, in my hunting long, lodge my my girlfriend was doing some cook the cooking and stuff and so she leaves our little cabin to go to the lodge start breakfast like it dark you know she comes she's like i saw a mountain lion and freaked out you know it's like right here by the port and i'm like wasn't a mountain lion it was a deer you know it's like just run over it'll be fine okay so she runs over there and then all of a a week later these uh we we left some capes out disappearing like what that's yeah like elk cape you know like oh yeah so like we skinned we skinned an elk out had the head and the hide attached to it you know and just sitting there um underneath where we had all the meat hanging and this is just like right behind my cabin disappears and i'm thinking somebody's messing with us you know so we're me and my brother are all blaming everyone oh who's hiding these things next day it happens again after everybody left this time what the hell's going on well it snowed that night and sure enough came back there's been a cat living just like right behind the cabin in mountain lion stealing shit and i was like oh okay i guess it was kind of it must it was like right there by the porch hanging out at night you know i think that was what was going on with my dogs too because this thing what whatever was there had been circling around the house for a couple days the dogs would go fucking crazy at night not just normal crazy but fucking crazy like what are you fuckers barking at come on inside and i bring them inside and they'd be like real jumpy and looking around So it'd been around a while It was about 70 pounds Something like that Wasn't a big one You know Yeah And then another one I saw in Santa Monica Or not a Santa Monica Santa Barbara Just driving down the street at night I saw this thing run across the street And I thought it was a coyote And then I see its tail It's got this floppy cat tail It's like oh shit That's a mountain mine I still don't have a confirmed sighting And it pisses me off everywhere It's like the one thing I haven't I've experienced in the world I put this up on my Twitter Somebody sent me this It's one Jacking a deer underneath a feat or somewhere in Georgia.

[660] I was West Virginia.

[661] Yeah, the guy said it was West Virginia, but apparently it's not.

[662] Apparently it was Georgia, the original photo.

[663] A lot of people claim their friends sent that picture, but...

[664] Yeah.

[665] It's a big fucking animal, man. They are.

[666] They're just forearms on those fuckers.

[667] I've seen quite a few out in the wild.

[668] A couple years ago, I actually was fishing in the spring and found one caught in a log jam after a flood.

[669] Dead one, you know?

[670] Really?

[671] Yeah, I was the first, I've never seen Dead Lion anywhere.

[672] That was the first one.

[673] Like in a river.

[674] Steve found a crazy photo that his friend sent him of an elk that got killed by a tree.

[675] The tree fell, and the elk was literally open mouth like this.

[676] Mummified, right?

[677] Frozen solid.

[678] Like a mummy.

[679] Really?

[680] Frozen solid.

[681] And see if you could find that.

[682] It's on Steve Ronella's Twitter.

[683] But it's the freakyest image.

[684] It's just like it's screaming.

[685] Like as the log landed on it and killed it.

[686] You know, it's just its mouth stayed open as it died.

[687] That's crazy.

[688] Yeah.

[689] I guess if you're out there long enough, you see enough crazy shit.

[690] You do.

[691] Yeah, that's the thing.

[692] When you're out there all, I mean, you just never know what you're going to see from day to day.

[693] Okay.

[694] Here's the question.

[695] Bigfoot.

[696] Bigfoot.

[697] Yes or no. Yes or no. I want it.

[698] You know, I just can't buy it, man. I just don't buy it.

[699] It's, uh, I think, uh, my grandpa used to, like, get a little bit liquored up.

[700] And he would put on a gorilla suit.

[701] He would run in for, you know, boxers?

[702] Yeah.

[703] He was like one of the most crazy persons that ever walked the face of the earth, I think.

[704] But he would run in front of logging trucks, you know, and then they would freak out on the radios and stuff.

[705] And then he would go into the bar, and I mean, these dudes would be ghost white and talking about how they saw a big foot.

[706] And, you know, in their mind, they saw a big foot.

[707] You know, and he loved it.

[708] Like, he's the guy, you think, like, you see these tracks.

[709] He's the guy that would put Bigfoot feet on and walk around with his buddy for no reason.

[710] Like, they just love to do that.

[711] There's, it's like there's Bigfoot, but there's dudes that like to make people think there's big foot more than I think there's actually Bigfoot's.

[712] Yeah, I'm with you.

[713] I think there's a lot of people that like to fuck with people, and that's probably a lot of what people are seeing out there.

[714] I got approached at this one show by this dude that was a professional squash, squatch hunter, right?

[715] And he has a business card and everything.

[716] He works out of Colorado, and he's like, man, I'll take you.

[717] And he's like, for three grand or whatever, I'll take you out.

[718] And he's telling me about the family groups of these squashes, squashes, whatever we call him.

[719] And how he knows him and they're really elusive, but he sees him all the time.

[720] And, you know, he does these guided tours.

[721] I'm thinking to myself, who's crazier?

[722] That dude or the people that go with him, you know?

[723] And then the other thing is, what's, I don't know what's crazier, if he believes himself or if he's just straight up lying to you, you know?

[724] Like, does he believe his own BS?

[725] They're all a little delusional.

[726] For the sci -fi show, we went to Mount Rainier, up in Washington State, and we met a lot of people that had claimed to seen Bigfoot, and some of them were interesting.

[727] There was this one woman who was really interesting.

[728] She seemed like she was telling the truth.

[729] She saw a bunch of elk run away, and then she saw this thing.

[730] She's like, it was a gorilla.

[731] She's like, I'm looking at a gorilla.

[732] What the fuck?

[733] And she didn't have a website.

[734] She wasn't selling a book.

[735] She didn't seem like she was lying.

[736] I don't know what she really saw.

[737] She might have seen a brown bear, or a black bear that was, like, in the woods, in between, you know, trees.

[738] She might have saw it moving in a weird way, convinced herself that it was a gorilla.

[739] Yeah, I mean, here's the thing.

[740] I took criminal justice class and in the class.

[741] Everybody's sitting in there with 400 people in this room, and the teacher had somebody coming and steal a laptop from someone, you know, in the class, like, didn't tell anyone.

[742] And has everybody write down the description of somebody, the guy that came in, nobody's matched up.

[743] You know what I mean?

[744] Like, your mind tells you what you want to think.

[745] You know, you fill in the blanks, especially if adrenaline's going or it's new to you.

[746] I mean, now, if it was a guy that, say, I would say is in the woods all the time, like an expert at animals.

[747] I mean, most people in the wild, the deer runs away in a split second, they don't know if it's a white tail or a meal deer.

[748] Right.

[749] You know, I mean, like, how do these people have the expertise to identify a species when they, you know, or half a mile away, they don't have proper equipment?

[750] And they're going, oh, yeah, I saw a big foot.

[751] And you're seeing it for a half a second.

[752] A half a second, yeah.

[753] Maybe a two second period of time.

[754] Two seconds is one, two, boom, it's gone.

[755] And then your memory has to fill in all this.

[756] Yeah, what was it?

[757] And then you tell yourself what it was.

[758] If we spend enough time in the woods, I will get one on camera.

[759] Yeah, if they exist.

[760] If it exists.

[761] I will get it.

[762] How much time do you guys ever spend in the Pacific Northwest, which seems to be like the hotbed for sightings?

[763] Just southeast Alaska.

[764] We spend a lot of time there, but not much in Washington.

[765] If they're anywhere, they're in Canada.

[766] The only one I believe is, Les Stroud.

[767] Survivor Man?

[768] He told me he had an encounter, and Rinella mocked it.

[769] Rinella.

[770] What was his experience?

[771] Well, he said he was in his tent, and he said he had heard something earlier in the day that was weird.

[772] He'd heard something walking through the woods, but he didn't see anything.

[773] And then he said he was in his tent at night, and it was pitch black in Alaska, and in the middle of nowhere, flew two hours by plane to get there to land on this lake, and then to get out and be in his tent and he heard some stomping like you heard something that was clearly it seemed like bipedal that was walking around and he said it was like total silence and he heard this thing and then he heard it you know I think he said like less than 100 feet away from him go like make this crazy noise like a primate noise that he thought and he goes and reaches for his camera it hears his movement and just runs away.

[774] Interesting yeah it's very interesting the reason to me that it's interesting is because that fucking guy goes everywhere he'll go to the middle of nowhere and survive and he's not a bullshit artist he seems legit yeah if he if it ended up being that he wasn't legit i'd be pretty sad i would like then doubt my ability to his take on it was like look if you were you want another beer no i'm good whatever you want man no this water's good um his his take on it was that like how often do you see a wolverine if you're just hiking how often do you see uh you know there's a lot of animals that exist out there and these aren't even smart animals if this thing was living in the Pacific Northwest.

[775] He's like, it's so dense up there and there's so much area where people just don't get to that something could possibly live in small numbers there.

[776] There's a lot of woods up there, man. There's a lot.

[777] But the problem is everybody I talk to that believes they've seen it, almost everybody.

[778] It's just, they're kooky.

[779] They're fucking, they're nutty people, man. This is not like a doctor who is just on vacation and saw something and had this definitive sighting and the lack of trail can camera pictures, zero trail camera pictures.

[780] And there's crazy enough dudes that it'll dedicate their whole lives to finding it.

[781] You know?

[782] I mean, they exist.

[783] We've got a, we've got to, but now, did you hear about the, um, they, this, they were doing, uh, bear studies in the sierras.

[784] And one of the researchers got a trail camera picture of a wolverine.

[785] They didn't know wolverines were still in the sierras.

[786] Wow.

[787] And it's like, where's this wolverine come from?

[788] You know, I've been in this, I've spent a lot of my life in the Sierra.

[789] It's never seen a Wolverine, never seen a track, never even thought of seeing a Wolverine.

[790] And here they've got, you know, I mean, a legitimate biologist found it.

[791] Well, how about that mountain line they found in Connecticut?

[792] I didn't hear about that.

[793] They're everywhere, man. Mountain lines are everywhere now.

[794] Well, it came from South Dakota.

[795] It walked from South Dakota to Connecticut.

[796] They, when it died, it got hit by a car or something in Connecticut, whatever killed it in Connecticut, they did the lineage on this, they apparently had, knew where this animal came from.

[797] Yeah.

[798] And we're able to trace it.

[799] all the way back to South Dakota.

[800] So I walk a thousand fucking miles.

[801] That's a trip.

[802] Yeah, that's pretty crazy.

[803] There's a mountain lion in Connecticut.

[804] There's coyotes in the Bronx, like in the big park up there.

[805] Well, Chicago has a fucking whole population of them.

[806] Do you know that story?

[807] Chicago Park has a whole population of them.

[808] They have a whole population of coyotes that are apparently a part of the ecosystem there.

[809] Eating what garbage you think?

[810] Eating rats.

[811] Oh, shit.

[812] Rats?

[813] Well, that's good.

[814] Let me make sure that's not Chicago, not Detroit.

[815] I think most big cities have coyote population.

[816] Really?

[817] I've seen pictures of coyotes just carrying, like, license plates down the street.

[818] I didn't, yeah, it is, it is.

[819] They have them tracked.

[820] It's an ecological study of coyotes in the Chicago metropolitan area.

[821] I didn't even see one until I came to L .A. And I was staying in Burbank when I first moved here, and I was driving down the street, and I see three coyotes walking down the street.

[822] And I was like, this is some, like, apocalyptic shit.

[823] Yeah.

[824] These creepy little murderers.

[825] Oh.

[826] That's all.

[827] Look a little cute coyote puppies.

[828] Yum. In Chicago.

[829] They're all good until they get hungry and they start eating your kids.

[830] Or your lap dogs.

[831] Yeah.

[832] And then you realize, oh, these are creeps.

[833] These are creepy little predators that live amongst us.

[834] Yeah, I knew a lady who got our little dog snatched right off her leash.

[835] Trolling for coyotes.

[836] Yeah.

[837] Coyote fishing.

[838] One of the challenges that we're looking to do.

[839] for the new show is to harvest some coyotes and then take the skins and wrap ourselves in the skins and then get in close, like, sneaking on an animal using camouflage of the coyotes, like pretend to be a coyote.

[840] Well, let's talk about that new show.

[841] Why don't you, Jamie, let's play the clip that I emailed you?

[842] Apex Predator.

[843] Yeah, Apex Predator.

[844] This is a new show that Dan's producing.

[845] Rami's going to be a part of.

[846] Let's check this out now.

[847] It's on the media.

[848] There is but one law of the land.

[849] Kill or be killed.

[850] In life, there is death.

[851] But in death, there is life.

[852] It took man thousands of years to climb to the top of the food chain.

[853] But we didn't do it alone.

[854] Nature itself was our teacher, and those who hunted us became our guides.

[855] And though in today's world we have no natural predators, there are still many timeless lessons that nature can teach us to hone our hunting skills and earn the right to be called apex predator.

[856] If you look at humans, what's pushed us forward?

[857] The need to survive.

[858] How do we survive by eating?

[859] What do we eat, other animals?

[860] So what we're doing here is essentially something else.

[861] I like to call hunt science.

[862] The science of how things have hunted and how things have evolved.

[863] In order to do this, we need to break it down into pieces, dissect every bit of nature in an attempt to adapt and replicate the strategies, skills, and techniques of the most proficient hunters in the world.

[864] Concealment.

[865] Stealth.

[866] Tracking.

[867] Endurance, mental focus, and heightened sensory perception.

[868] By studying nature and analyzing the traits of the fiercest hunters on Earth, I'll devise unorthodox training techniques to push beyond my limits as a modern technical hunter and tap into the primal instinct of the apex predator.

[869] It's the first morning, the sun isn't even up yet, we've already got a herd elk.

[870] Every time I've seen wolves catch an elk They've started in a funnel like this Where one wolf will be on an opposite ridge And they'll kind of howl back and forth And then one will make their move By the time they get to the second one They've already started to wear it down We could keep them in this bowl We have the upper hand Let's get going Yeah So when the wolf's hunting The first thing he's going to do is sneak into the herd and then get the herd moving.

[871] Once he gets the herd moving, the pack's job is to cause confusion.

[872] What this will do is separate his prey and his intended target from the rest of the herd.

[873] Now he'll continue to push the elk to the point of exhaustion.

[874] The wolf's goal is to maintain his energy levels while wearing the elk down.

[875] Once the elk is on the move, the wolf's going to try to cut him off.

[876] We can stay high on the reach.

[877] Let's just keep hitting him back and forth from his canyon.

[878] We'll burst the energy and then let's just kind of pace our first.

[879] Disorient him.

[880] After he's cut the herd of elk off, then he's going to move in for the kill.

[881] Coming fall, 2014.

[882] Where are you guys going to have this on?

[883] What's it going to be on?

[884] That's a secret.

[885] That's a secret.

[886] Still in negotiation?

[887] Still trying to figure that out?

[888] It looks dope though.

[889] It looks very exciting.

[890] Thank you.

[891] I get excited about it.

[892] It seems like sneaking up on an elk with a bow might be one of the most fucking thrilling things ever.

[893] Yeah, so on that episode, what our goal was was, it wasn't just to sneak up on them.

[894] We actually pushed them and then ran them down.

[895] Exhausted them.

[896] Exhausted.

[897] Wow, like it's almost sort of a persistence hunting.

[898] Yeah, it was a persistent hunting thing.

[899] Well, what we did was we tried to do it like a pack of wolves would.

[900] So we went in here with the idea that the only way we're going to kill one is if we'd do it like a wolf would.

[901] Now, we have to have a bow because that's like the law and everything.

[902] I mean, we'd be like, hell, let's try spears, but it's not like.

[903] legal you know um so we so we got the herd we snuck in like the wolves would then we pushed them and then what we did was the the elk kind of have these escape routes and because i mean i've spent accumulation of just if you just counted the straight days it'd be like something like six years chasing these elk you know just like straight 365 days a year six years worth of if you added up all the time and uh so i mean i i really know this herd and how they move and elk in general you know i've studied elk for a long time and uh so what we did was while the elk would go up and down every ridge we would run up and catch them up you know like cut them off so they would like we'd be racing to the same place but they would be going a harder route you know so they would be like their tongues are hanging out they're tired and what we're trying to do is get in front of them hoping that by the time we catch up and run them long enough that they are tired and are just like walking past us and we can kill them you have to be in fucking crazy shape to get an elk tired yeah it was ambitious yeah fucking elk run fat they're huge they do the thing that we have going for us those i mean uh like humans can sweat yes animals can't they pant you know they've got they've got their tongues out they're tired fast they're a big animal you know we are really light we're mobile we can carry water we can refuel if an elk wants to refuel you know how much grass he has to eat because Because they don't break this.

[904] I mean, grass is the hardest thing to digest on the planet, you know?

[905] They need special enzymes to do it.

[906] We can just power down a shot blocks or whatever and just keep running.

[907] It's really fascinating to actually look at the science behind it and find out what a human is capable of compared to a four -legged animal.

[908] Because in endurance situations, we have a pretty good situation.

[909] Like, it's something that humans can do.

[910] Yeah, the sweat thing's the big part of it, right?

[911] It's a big part of it, but also, I mean, a little bit of, like, kind of how else.

[912] like wolves hunt is is a lot of intelligence you know they outsmart their prey um and a lot of it's the pack mentality hunting is a pack pushing them like we kind of created this pack and in that episode we created a pack where you know myself and my brother were hunters and then we also have you know we're filming this so we have guys with cameras so we incorporate them in the pack as part of the strategy and uh it gets a little wild it gets western you know wow i mean you're trying to film yourself and four other dudes, or three other dudes, chase elk through the mountains to the point where you can kill one like a wolfwood.

[913] Well, it's cool that you're taking a novel approach to another outdoors slash hunting type show.

[914] You know, this is a very novel approach.

[915] I like the science part of it the best.

[916] It's just like we're doing these little experiments, like learning about what an animal actually has in its biology and then like seeing if we can match it and learning about it in the process to me it's just fucking fascinating and in each episode too there's a huge training element it's not like we're trying to bullshit people you know yeah it's like if I'm gonna do this man I've got to learn something and try to adapt it and so you know we went out there and that's where that's where that V -O2 max test they were talking about earlier as part of this episode where it's like okay how do we stack up against wolves it's like dude you aren't gonna stack I mean we ended up we got like this 90 % wolf and raced it and it wasn't like I'm gonna beat a wolf oh no he's like It's like, let's see how bad I get my ass kicked in the mountains to know where I stand.

[917] Like, is this even going to be possible?

[918] Because if you tell, like, a normal hunter, like, yeah, we're going to run an elk down and kill it.

[919] Run it down.

[920] Yeah, bullshit.

[921] You know?

[922] Right.

[923] Now, how are we going to go about this?

[924] And is it even possible?

[925] After we race the dog, we're like, this isn't going to work.

[926] And then we went and did the VOTU max test.

[927] And everyone's like, well, if anyone on this planet's going to do it, it's probably going to be you, you know?

[928] Like, all right.

[929] You learned that, so Remy had an extraordinarily high V02 max score.

[930] but it wasn't a third of what a trained canine is.

[931] Like a dog that's in shape is something in the range of 300, which is just pretty nuts.

[932] Did you ever see the Werner Herzog film, Happy People, Life and the TIGA?

[933] You remember when the guy comes back to camp on his snowmobile and the dog falls him the entire way?

[934] Yeah.

[935] The dog runs the whole distance.

[936] It's like a full day of riding this fucking snowmobile.

[937] The dog is just full clip trotting next to him for the whole day.

[938] Yeah, I think those like I diderod canines are some of the, they're the most fit animal on the, planet.

[939] God.

[940] Yeah, I can imagine.

[941] And they don't have sweat either.

[942] It doesn't matter.

[943] They're just designed for that.

[944] And they got that pack thing going.

[945] I mean, they're all running together.

[946] Yeah.

[947] You know, it's just like, you know, when you go do something with like your friends that are pretty hardcore, you end up doing more than you wanted to, you know?

[948] It's like, it's like anytime I try to go do something, I'll go with guys that are better than me, you know, because it's just going to push you further than you think.

[949] So those dogs get in this pack and they just start pushing each other, pushing each other, pushing each other, you know.

[950] And that happened to us.

[951] you're out there.

[952] It's like, you know, here's Dan and Dom is another guy that was running the camera and here we're all out there just like kicking our own asses and everybody's doing it.

[953] Yeah.

[954] And it was awesome.

[955] Well, you can't really underestimate the power of influence.

[956] No. The power of, the influence of other bad motherfuckers that are around you.

[957] That's what I've always tell people, if you want to have a good life, surround yourself with a bunch of bad motherfuckers.

[958] Exactly.

[959] They're doing a bunch of badass shit.

[960] You're going to want to do badass shit and you're going to want to keep up with them and when you're going to be around them your standards will be higher yeah yeah if you're the most badass guy you know you aren't going anywhere you know that's one of the reasons why it's really dangerous in camps like a mixed martial arts camps that comes into play if you're the alpha dog of the camp because people sort of bait you and you know you kick everybody's ass and then you go in there with another alpha you're not used to dealing with that you don't you're not used to like rising to the occasion when you're confronted with an equal adversary and it comes down to you know focus and discipline and willpower yeah it's good to be king but i guess not to be king.

[961] No, no. It's good to be one bad motherfucker in a troop of other bad motherfuckers and all, you know, become a brotherhood and push each other.

[962] That's an interesting thing.

[963] Everybody wants that alleviation of pressure.

[964] They want to be the top dog.

[965] But there's that's a trap.

[966] It's a trap.

[967] Because if you become that, then you don't grow.

[968] And then you're done.

[969] Yeah.

[970] Yeah.

[971] It's time to die.

[972] There is no peace.

[973] There's no peace.

[974] No one gets peace.

[975] There will be no rest.

[976] You never get to retire you know like someone said to me what are you going to do when you retire i go die that'll be when i'm dead i'm not retiring from shit i'm the songs i'm alive i'm going to keep doing what i enjoy doing you know and maybe some of it won't make any money but i treated the same way as the shit that i do that does make money there's no retiring shut up bitch there's no there's no there's no there's no fucking boat you're going to get off and you're going to die you're going to live you're going to die while you're alive stay alive stay alive and keep moving yeah this idea that we just go out to pasture for a third of our life is like, okay.

[977] Those are your golden years, Reddy Warren?

[978] I don't know about that.

[979] I'm going to go hard as long as I can, you know?

[980] I'm riding this pitch right into the rocks.

[981] Fuck it.

[982] Just keep the throttle going.

[983] And when it hits the beach, you hope your momentum carries you're right into the rocks.

[984] Boom!

[985] Otherwise, fuck it, man. Those last few years are terrible.

[986] Yeah.

[987] You're all on antidepressants sitting around your porch drooling into your fucking lemonade get out of here man come on what are you trying to do my buddy always said he'd start doing heroin and he turned 83 it's good year it's good year yeah if I had like terminal cancer boom heroin's the first shit I'd try I want to know what the fuss is all about you know I'd get a fast car and see if I can drive across the country backwards your gears will blow out how long you think a good car can go in reverse.

[988] I don't know.

[989] Can you even go a mile?

[990] Oh, yeah.

[991] Yeah, maybe.

[992] They're not just, it's one gear, though.

[993] Like, if you had to drive in first gear across the country, how long would that last?

[994] You know, your transmission would explode.

[995] It'd be like, what are you doing, stupid?

[996] Look at the fucking revs in this thing.

[997] Boom!

[998] Something we give out.

[999] I don't know.

[1000] Whatever.

[1001] That means nothing.

[1002] being in this world where you hunt 200 plus 300 plus days a year what's the reaction when you talk to like a normal person who doesn't have anything to do with hunting and they find out you do so much of this hunting what is the standard reaction is there a typical reaction yeah actually I mean I think most people are like receptive of it and they're like that's badass because for a lot of reasons one it's like very few people do what they love every single day like i tell people i've never worked a day in my life you know i mean i love it so much if if i had to choose what i was going to do it'd be what i'm doing and i don't care who you are what you like like people respect that you know if somebody tells me something that they're into you know maybe like ballet it's like not my thing but if that's your thing and you're doing it and you love it that's cool like that's that crosses any barrier of what you know what you don't know you know yeah um because i think a lot of people aspire for that and then uh the other part is i mean a lot of people now more than ever i think uh this idea of hunting and kind of living maybe not necessarily living off the land but just being out there eating wild meats and other things it's like it's a trend that's popular now and people are interested in it i think i've uh like people find out they're like really you do that oh man what well do you eat it yeah you know like i'd like to try that or you know i mean Just also people ask, you know, a lot of crazy questions.

[1003] Like, what, uh, you know, like, what's the craziest thing you've ever seen?

[1004] What's the craziest thing you've ever done?

[1005] Because it's a wild life.

[1006] It's, uh, essentially, I mean, I compare my life to probably that of pioneers a long time ago.

[1007] That those were the guys that wrote the stories that people read, you know, they wanted to hear about real adventure.

[1008] And it's like, I mean, I tell people out there, I mean, it's, when you're out there, it's legit.

[1009] I mean, I've been in a lot of life or death situations.

[1010] I've seen a lot of, things that people will have never seen.

[1011] I've been places where I bet very few humans have ever been.

[1012] What is the most extreme life or death situation you think you've ever been in?

[1013] Is it one that stands out of there?

[1014] There have been so many.

[1015] Yeah, I mean, from a very early age, I've run into a few.

[1016] I was struck by lightning when I was a kid.

[1017] What?

[1018] Yeah, that was interesting.

[1019] Dude, maybe that's your V -O -Max.

[1020] That's it, dude.

[1021] He became a fucking mutant.

[1022] You got struck by lightning.

[1023] Yeah.

[1024] How old were you?

[1025] I was, I was like, it was before kindergarten.

[1026] It's like, it's like my first memory, you know?

[1027] Just a little kid.

[1028] And this wasn't even, I wasn't even out anywhere.

[1029] It was just backyard with my dad looking over the city.

[1030] We just got done putting up a basketball hoop.

[1031] Boom.

[1032] Fried.

[1033] Whoa.

[1034] So it was the basketball hoop itself that attracted the electricity because it was metal?

[1035] Yeah, it was over a mile away.

[1036] It was the clouds.

[1037] And they called like bolts over the blue.

[1038] It just.

[1039] Those lightning bolts can go up to a mile away from their center.

[1040] And it was one of those massive, like, in Nevada, lightning is, it just happens because there's so many independent mountain ranges.

[1041] Those clouds move, create this positive negative energy.

[1042] And then they're super powerful.

[1043] I mean, it was a, you know, it was a crazy experience, but I was, you know, I was pretty young.

[1044] I remember it.

[1045] My dad, me and my dad both got struck.

[1046] My dad was paralyzed for almost a month.

[1047] Whoa.

[1048] And then just like nerves grew back, you know.

[1049] Holy shit.

[1050] Yeah.

[1051] Your dad was paralyzed for a month.

[1052] Yeah, maybe a few weeks, three weeks, something like that.

[1053] From the neck down?

[1054] From the waist down?

[1055] No, from the waist down.

[1056] Oh, my God.

[1057] See, he got hit above the waist, and the doctor said that he wouldn't be a lot.

[1058] But he was, he was like, he's, you know, an athlete, too.

[1059] I mean, I think a lot of the VOTU max comes from my jeans.

[1060] I've got, like, on both sides of the family, just super athletes.

[1061] And my dad would run every day, and his heart could handle that burst.

[1062] I was, I got struck below, I got struck in my right leg.

[1063] right above the knee came out right below the knee left like a pencil -sized bruise all the way through my leg and uh you know i mean i i i woke up i didn't really know what was going on it's kind of like i remember it pretty well and when the movie saving private ryan came out when that bomb goes off right next to the guy you know and it's like everything's like quiet but weird he was exactly like that i think like anybody that's kind of had some kind of shell shock like that That clip in that movie is so realistic.

[1064] Like, the dude that made that clip had to have experienced that, you know?

[1065] It's so loud.

[1066] You can't hear anything.

[1067] You're like, everything's confusing.

[1068] I mean, you're, like, watching the rain fall in slow motion because your heart's going so fast.

[1069] All you feel is your heart.

[1070] You're, like, watching rain, like, lands on your skin explodes.

[1071] Lands on your skin explodes.

[1072] People are talking to you, but it's like they talked to you three seconds ago, you know, like a three second delay kind of thing.

[1073] And you're like, I don't know what's going on and then black out again.

[1074] wow and so what was the physical repercussions for you for me you know i i i remained pretty unscathed i had a twitch for until i was about 17 you know yeah twitch from that yeah so you know what did it look like what did the twitch like oh nothing pretty much unscathed just kind of just broken record yeah yeah i would twitch man and it was like i was the kid at school that had the twitch but it you know be like that could get hit by lighting you know he's like that's why he's got the twitch so what would you do like give me a example of the twas like um i don't know like not that bad but like i can't i can't even do it maybe if i do it i might incite some muscle memory and never comes back no it's like never there now does it um not really i mean you know like you feel it a little bit and you're like no no mental control oh so you feel it coming on you could give in it's like a sneeze yeah i mean i haven't felt it for a long time like i think i've been over of a hump long enough where it just doesn't come back.

[1075] Wow.

[1076] You know?

[1077] That's incredible.

[1078] Twelve years of twitching.

[1079] Yeah.

[1080] But yeah, that was a pretty harrowing experience as a child.

[1081] But in my recent years, I had a pretty crazy experience.

[1082] It's almost like kind of hard to talk about.

[1083] It's just one of those like weird deals.

[1084] But I was in Montana.

[1085] I've got like a, I'm an outfitter.

[1086] That's how I make my living is taking.

[1087] people on expeditions hunting or whatever all over the world and I've got a lodge based in Montana and so we're building this um this outdoor shower bathroom thing because we do this big fourth of July party every year right and so my place is right on the river and it's springtime and it's one of the highest runoffs we've ever had so the water is uh all spring runoff and they measure rivers in cubic feet per second So the river normally would say is like 300 CFS.

[1088] This weekend, it was flowing at 3 ,000 CFS.

[1089] So that's like the same size river, but that much water.

[1090] I mean, it's just ripping.

[1091] And it's that kind of water where you put your hand in it and it's ice cold.

[1092] Like, I mean, a lot like that glacial river that Steve crossed.

[1093] And so I'm out there building the thing and my family's helping me. And there have been rafts going by kind of a little bit throughout the day because it was a really nice day.

[1094] It was Father's Day.

[1095] And I hear somebody yell.

[1096] I was thinking, okay.

[1097] So I walk to the edge of the river and I see all the shit floating down.

[1098] I'm thinking, this is not good, you know?

[1099] Somebody must have turned their boat.

[1100] And here comes this lady floating face up.

[1101] And she just locks eyes with me and she says, help me, help me. I go, shit.

[1102] By this time, my mom had run up to the river too.

[1103] And I take my cell phone on my wallet on my pocket.

[1104] I throw it to my mom.

[1105] And I yell to her, call 911, you know.

[1106] and the lady i i yelled to i say kick to shore you know and i'm going and she's just like looking at me help me help me as she's floating down the river pretty quick well she hits a current and takes off you know in the background my mom's screaming don't go in the river don't go in the river and um she hits the current and eyes just start running and to this day i do not remember like i i've walked through that area a lot of times i don't know how i ran so fast like i don't remember like in when it was all over i don't remember running i just remember being at the end of there's like this i mean trees and shit falling everywhere and i don't know how i ran through it so fast but i end up hitting the highway and running down the highway and there's this corner where the river banks and there's a big cliff on one side and then it makes this giant rapid there well i see her and she goes under the rapid and at this point i hit the highway and this truck had pulled off and i um i yelled to the guy i say uh she pops up and she's coming close to the shore now and i yell to this guy who's standing there i say grab her because you just popped up well he reaches out and it was like i don't know if he freaked out or what like he grabs and just misses her and at this point i'm like oh shit you know i mean she was just alive and uh she's she's hitting the fast water again and i just jumped in and uh so i jump in and i i'm in the river with her and you know like my thought when i jumped in was I'm not getting out of this.

[1107] It was like the weirdest, weirdest deal ever.

[1108] So I jump in and I grab her foot.

[1109] When I grab her foot, she goes under.

[1110] So I kind of have to scoop her up under the water, and I start floating down the river with her holding her up.

[1111] And I catch the rocks.

[1112] And I just, luckily I was wearing my hunting boots that day.

[1113] They were like, you know, tall hunting boots, like nine -inch boots.

[1114] And I think that's the only reason I got out of the river because it made my ankles stiff enough.

[1115] I could catch the rocks on the bottom.

[1116] And then I drug her up on shore, and I tried not to move her, you know, because I didn't know if she had a broken knack or what.

[1117] So I get her up to the shore, and I check, you know, my first responder, you know, so I do all this stuff.

[1118] And I checked and make sure she's breathing or whatever.

[1119] There's, like, not really any signs of life, but her eyes are open.

[1120] And she's got a little bit of breath, tiny pulse.

[1121] So I just kind of, like, look at her.

[1122] It's like, you're looking at her, but nobody's home.

[1123] So I just grab her by the other.

[1124] the face and yell look at me look at me look at me and about after 10 times of yelling it it's like all a sudden boom someone comes to she takes a breath and it's like okay um i tell the other guy go grab some blankets and stuff and wrap her up and uh she looks at me and she says where's dave where's dave i'm like you know i don't know who's dave you know i mean by this time a lot of times passed I turn around, and on the bottom of the river is this guy, all his clothes are ripped off, and he's going down the river head first on the opposite side of the river.

[1125] I go, oh, shit.

[1126] He's dead.

[1127] Dead.

[1128] You know, he'd been five minutes behind her maybe.

[1129] And so at this point, it's like, you know, I just, like, I didn't really, you know, I mean, here's an able -body person that was completely screwed, you know, like, in the river, completely screwed.

[1130] You know, what's to mean that I, like, I have no special skill set that they don't have to get myself out of this, you know, just maybe a little bit of luck.

[1131] Um, you know, I went in for her, but, you know, I mean, I obviously knew this guy was gone.

[1132] So I threw something like that floated over the top of him because everything kind of floats at a constant rate.

[1133] We ended up pulling him out of the river two and a half miles down.

[1134] Um, he had died, obviously.

[1135] Um, which, you know, it's like, it's a really horrible experience.

[1136] The lady, uh, called me back the next, the next day, you know, because she just lost her husband.

[1137] It was father's day.

[1138] and yeah I mean it's like you're like okay and then you know you're going through all these weird emotions like I just jumped in a river and like didn't think I was coming out of it and like the emotional shit that you go through you know it's like really a weird deal and then so she calls and says I just want to hear your story and then I wanted to tell you my story you know because it's like I don't know you just like I feel this connection with this lady now you know and so she tells me her story and she says they were floating down the river they hit this back Eddie The raft got, there was a log that fell across the river.

[1139] The raft gets sucked under the log and spits them both up, you know, out, you know, everything's gone.

[1140] They're floating down the river.

[1141] They weren't wearing any life vests and they were holding hands floating down the river.

[1142] He says, I love you, and then just disappears.

[1143] Can you imagine that?

[1144] So she says, she tells me, and it must have been at some point after I saw her when she went under the water, she said that it was the most peaceful feeling she'd ever felt she said it was like everything was white she says she knows her husband didn't suffer she's like it was like she and then she heard this voice like way off in the distance and uh and just like latched onto it and then came too and so the doctors the doctors told her that even five more seconds in the water she would have been dead her body had completely given up and they said that it was like it was like this weird response I just started yelling at her.

[1145] I don't know why.

[1146] Like, I just, it was like, it felt like the right thing to do.

[1147] And they said, like, that, that voice, like, gave her something to latch on to and, like, let her body know that it's okay.

[1148] Like, you know, it was really weird.

[1149] Wow.

[1150] Holy shit.

[1151] Yeah.

[1152] That's crazy.

[1153] Yeah, that is, that's what you risk when you go rafting, right?

[1154] Yeah.

[1155] I mean, it's fun and exciting.

[1156] They were professionals, too.

[1157] I mean this is this guy is they were this is what they did for a living they were professionals wow so they weren't just tourists no they weren't tourists they were they were scouting it out before they took clients there oh my god yeah rivers will fuck you up man so fast you know i mean you just like it's kind of like any professional you get into a certain mindset where you get you get too comfortable and like i i've been guilty of it you know i mean we all have in some some respect you know it's like you ever take a motorcycle down the street without a helmet you know or what you know just just think you can get away with yeah did we wear them in montana life vest no but the water was fucking six inches deep we kept bottoming out yeah dude that water was not killing me if i fell in that water i was getting to the shore that wasn't that fast it wasn't that dangerous it wasn't that spooky that didn't bother me but if we were encountering some rapids i would have definitely wanted one but that was that water was it would have sucked if we fell in but most of it was like waist height yeah you know we would have been fine but if we were in some like serious I would have been shit in my pants, son.

[1158] Yeah.

[1159] I don't really, like, water and me don't really mix sometimes.

[1160] And that's why, like, crossing the thing with Steve, it's like, oh, shit, this looks a little hairy.

[1161] It brought up bad memories.

[1162] I'm not comfortable in water either.

[1163] My scariest wilderness thing was in the ocean with sharks.

[1164] Like, I've been charged by bears.

[1165] We've had that moose.

[1166] I've had all kinds of shit happen.

[1167] Well, you've been charged by bears?

[1168] Well, on the meat eater.

[1169] Oh, like the caribou one with Tim Ferriss?

[1170] Is that one?

[1171] No, no. We got charged this last fall.

[1172] Jesus fucking Christ.

[1173] Another one?

[1174] No, yeah.

[1175] you'll hear you'll hear about a Friday with Steve for sure but yeah we got charged we got by a mom gris and three Cubs oh that's right you guys told me about that Wisconsin she tracked us down in charge oh tracked you down in charge you fucking Christ but last year I was in Mexico with my brother spearfishing and had two bull sharks come after us very briefly we speared some fish the fish were about five feet away coming in these two monstrous fucking sharks come out of the depths and just like coming right at me and there was no there was no reaction because is, A, I'm not comfortable underwater.

[1176] B, what the fuck are you going to do?

[1177] I was, like, 15 feet under, I was, like, on a dive.

[1178] It was just kind of, like, suspended.

[1179] And it was just the most completely, everything stopped.

[1180] Actually, with the bears, everything stopped, too, but I felt like I still had some sort of presence in control.

[1181] But with the sharks, it's just like, where do you go?

[1182] We were around a bunch of armed people on the ground when the bear rushed.

[1183] Everyone had rifles.

[1184] Yeah, but you know, it's interesting is that didn't bring any peace.

[1185] there's just like this extra thing that happens this sort of extra sensory thing I think where it's that blissful moment of nothing and it's happened a few times in the woods when like shit really goes down the shark was a little different because it wasn't enjoyable the bear was somehow enjoyable a situation way previous where a kid went into anaphyactic shock I used to lead trips for teens basically fucked up teens in the wilderness and had one time a kid went anaphylactic shock and couldn't breathe.

[1186] I like threw him over my shoulder carried him through the desert away, jabbed him with an epipen.

[1187] And I remember coming out of that experience, just kind of like you said, the sort of you just go into this sort of weird connection with what's happening, but you also, like how you couldn't remember how you ran through that thing.

[1188] I can't remember what happened for two minutes but I brought this kid back, like revived him.

[1189] And that feeling of nothing is something of in a way sort of been chasing sense.

[1190] which is just like this pure action without thought, this like beautiful slow motion, almost nothingness.

[1191] And yet everything is like happening so fucking quickly.

[1192] It's amazing.

[1193] But the sharks, that didn't happen.

[1194] That was just shitting my pants.

[1195] That's a fascinating thing because in such an extreme situation, you're almost forced to abandon all your extra thinking and all your contemplation, worry, this, that, and the other thing.

[1196] And it becomes you're just a pure organism trying to examine.

[1197] exist and stay existing and you're running 100 % on instinct and a bear is looking at you.

[1198] It's a peak experience.

[1199] It's a perfectly peak experience, man. Do you think people get addicted to that?

[1200] You're you addicted to it?

[1201] Are you addicted to that?

[1202] No, I don't think so.

[1203] I think on a light level, like I'll put myself around it maybe, but no, I don't, you know, I don't need to jump off shit.

[1204] I don't need to climb the highest mountains.

[1205] But like the animal stuff and getting that close like that is something that I really, really fucking dig.

[1206] and I have in common with Ramby and Steve.

[1207] It's just like that experience to me is priceless.

[1208] Well, I'll tell you one thing that was really unusual to me about going to Montana and hunting when I killed that deer.

[1209] It was, this is the unexpected aspect of it.

[1210] It was almost psychedelic.

[1211] It's almost like you're in this weird world that's not your world.

[1212] And there's a being in there that exists there all the time.

[1213] and then all of a sudden you're it's almost like an illusion or a or hallucination it's very strange when you're in their world and you pluck one of them out of there and drag it away and it's like what did we just do for sure man you're just wild animal there's a huge connection in cultures between hunters and psychedelics like the journeys you take on on psychedelics i think there there's a clear connection between it you're i'm just agreeing with you that that the hunting experience that sort of intensity or that sort of connection with the natural state is so not what we're in every day here that you come away from it different well that's one of the things i'm endlessly thankful to you guys about is that experience in montana because the what you guys picked wasn't like wisconsin where when we were wisconsin there was a road that was only a mile away and there was a house and it was like you know it's a farm it's it's it's it's sort of wild yeah but not really it's a bunch of weird animals that hang around the farm that you can eat you know they're farm animals kind of but you got to shoot them you know you I thank you for that moment where you finished off that deer.

[1214] I think you brought to our show.

[1215] I think you brought to the public the most sort of poignant moment of what it means to take a life and to kill something in the wild.

[1216] Really?

[1217] Like your face, when you kill that animal, you look at it, you're frozen, and then you breathe out heavily.

[1218] That is it.

[1219] You told the story we've been trying to tell and have been telling over and over.

[1220] Perfectly.

[1221] Wow, well, you know, it was just 100 % the raw experience.

[1222] And what I was going to say is I thank you guys for introducing me to such a wild adventure.

[1223] It was completely wild.

[1224] No cell phones.

[1225] There was no internet.

[1226] There was no humans.

[1227] What did we see?

[1228] We were there for how many days?

[1229] Five days.

[1230] Did we see five people?

[1231] Maybe.

[1232] Maybe.

[1233] Three people on boats that were going down the same river.

[1234] It was their world.

[1235] And we just sort of found our way into their world.

[1236] and just it was very psychedelic very much so it's a trip man it's it's totally a trip to go into the wilderness like that and you i so my career before i was in tvs i took people into wilderness for the first time that's what i did and you frame it the same way for people well tell this story though because it wasn't just that you actually did it with troubled kids which i found really fascinating yeah i did that for about five years out of college i had both for private pay companies where families were just unhappy with how their teens were acting and then also for state correctional facilities.

[1237] So those are the ones I had the most fun in, probably, were the state ones.

[1238] So every 21 days, I'd go down around to Minnesota's different juvenile detention centers, pick up 10 kids from the hood, and drive them out to the wilderness for 21 days, and do these big, in the winter we would do cross -country ski treks, in the summer we'd canoe, in the shoulder seasons we would hike.

[1239] And it was just the most badass way to spend my time.

[1240] I did that for a long time.

[1241] And you had a good success in kind of getting to these kids because of that.

[1242] I mean, yanking them out of their world and putting them something completely different, giving them this alternate perspective of being in the wild that just sort of makes them like, what is the life I'm living?

[1243] Is the life I'm living just something I'm used to?

[1244] This is not the only option.

[1245] There's a lot of weirdness out there to this earth.

[1246] Absolutely.

[1247] They always left with something valuable.

[1248] They always left with something that they would look at and look at things in their normal life differently.

[1249] did it pull all the kids away from their you know habits and shit no but was it a worthwhile thing fuck yeah you know as an alternative to staying in prison or in jail it's like the alternative sentence to my 21 day program was maybe six weeks in the juby detention center fuck that you know like right come out in the woods and learn how to do shit be responsible for yourself be treated respectfully learn about nature get some fresh air like get in shape like that's that's that's good no matter 21 days too like even if you're in a crew or whatever man if you don't have the modern conveniences the importance of self -reliance is like you can teach yourself so you're your best teacher man you know i mean the idea of giving these kids some kind of self -reliance where they are in charge of themselves in this situation and they have to use their brains in their whatever and pay attention and like i don't see how that could be beneficial yeah how it could not be Yeah.

[1250] I've found it just beneficial just to be away from people, just to be away from the city, just to be away from cars, just to be away from planes flying overhead.

[1251] Because that's not natural, man. That's not what our bodies are, you know, accustomed to after hundreds of thousands of years.

[1252] Yeah.

[1253] It's not used to it.

[1254] It's weird.

[1255] The air's different.

[1256] Everything's different.

[1257] You feel different when you're not inundated with radio signals and TV signals and Wi -Fi.

[1258] It sounds like horse shit.

[1259] Yeah.

[1260] But it feels the fucking...

[1261] The quiet feels different out there.

[1262] It's a...

[1263] different quiet it's hard to explain to people that haven't experienced it too you know i mean it's one of those things like if you don't know you got to you can't really explain it you can say it but you know you don't really get it until you've done it which is why it feels like psychedelics it's kind of the same type of thing once you've done it then you can talk about it but if you're talking to somebody who hasn't done it then it's sort of a just a different way of experiencing things and you can share it which is what's really cool it's fun to share with you and brian and fun to share with all the people i've taken out in the woods is that that that forms a bond you know very quickly in a very strong way.

[1264] I mean, our Wolfpack on the Apex show, just the hunting shows, you know, it's different.

[1265] Something about that affects your relationships with the people you're out there with.

[1266] It's good for it.

[1267] 100%.

[1268] I think any time you've gone through something with someone that's, like, really intense, it's just your bond, your connection, your understanding of each other and the world that you live in is very, very unique.

[1269] Yeah.

[1270] There's something specific about dudes, I think, that need that or crave that.

[1271] Yeah.

[1272] I worked with young men mostly, pretty much probably 95%.

[1273] And I think that's a huge thing lacking in our culture.

[1274] It's just that, just that experience.

[1275] And it's, I think it's what we need.

[1276] We need to do that.

[1277] Well, it's certainly a part of who we used to be.

[1278] And I think tapping into that a lot of times can give people a sense of satisfaction that this doesn't exist in the modern manufactured world that we live in of cubicles and nine to fives and alarm clocks and all the nonsense that we've come to accept as being life.

[1279] Well, it's not.

[1280] And in fact, your body, your DNA itself, the epigenetics that shaped you as an individual are all based on ancestors that never went through anything even remotely close to what we're going through.

[1281] And when you do the stuff that they used to do, you feel great.

[1282] That was happy people.

[1283] That was what it was all about.

[1284] Wernherzog's documentary.

[1285] It's about these guys, there's no mental illness.

[1286] No one's depressed.

[1287] They're having a great fucking time.

[1288] All they do is hunting, fish, and trap.

[1289] That's it.

[1290] That's their whole life.

[1291] And we think that they're fucked up.

[1292] But meanwhile, they live as long as us, and they die just like we die.

[1293] But they're happy the fucking whole time.

[1294] And we think they're losers.

[1295] They live with an ease that you can't.

[1296] I spent a lot of time, like, in the jungle in South America and other places with indigenous people.

[1297] There is an ease with which they go through their day, with which they talk to each other, with which they eat their food, which is just like, it's, you know, I went there pretty young to South American side.

[1298] I was like, holy shit, I won't.

[1299] that i want to be around that i want to see what the fuck that is i want to like you know spend some time and just see what because it's different man it's just like we have this like uptight even the most relaxed of us here in america have this sort of uptight thing i got it fucking bad yeah it seems like a lot of people are just worried about uncertainty or and then they get in these patterns because it's it's certain you know what i mean it's like uh what's going to happen with the stock market what's going to happen with my 401k so they'd be getting these like we're such of patternable species.

[1300] I mean, like, I've seen, you know, I've been to a lot of countries.

[1301] I've spent a lot of time just, like, in the bush, just watching animals.

[1302] And certain animals have patterns because it's comfortable.

[1303] It's, like, predictable.

[1304] You know what I mean?

[1305] And there's no more patternable species than humans.

[1306] I mean, we just, we are like clockwork.

[1307] You know, it's because we don't like that uncertainty.

[1308] And then, you know, you throw yourself in a situation where every day it's uncertain, it's whatever, it's different.

[1309] and it's just like it's you get out of that you're happy you feel good you know like i've been doing the solo hunter's show and that a lot of that comes out of my thing has always been just it started out as i didn't have anybody to go hunting with so i would just go out in the woods by myself and i think my longest trip was almost a month just in the wild alone you know and it's like it's like where'd you go nevada wilderness wow yeah i think like Like Nevada, I think, is the most untouched place in the lower 48.

[1310] I thought you're going to say circus, circus.

[1311] Yeah.

[1312] I was on the Vegas strip between the palms.

[1313] I ate some acid, 100 times left behind.

[1314] One hunting for 30 days.

[1315] But, you know, it's like just short of a month.

[1316] And, you know, I think in that it was like a lot of uncertainty, a lot of, you know, everything was unpredictable.

[1317] But you're 100 % relying on yourself, which is just like this great.

[1318] You're happy, you know, but I think the other thing about it, too, is a lot of people don't like being alone.

[1319] And it's just, I don't know if you just don't like yourself or you just aren't familiar with yourself, you know?

[1320] I think people are running away from a lot of the issues that they have in their life.

[1321] And one of the ways that people run away is by keeping themselves busy or keeping themselves distracted.

[1322] So I think some people just don't like being alone because then they're like, okay, well, here I am.

[1323] And well, maybe we should just fucking think about who we are here while we're sitting here.

[1324] Yeah.

[1325] It doesn't take long any heads.

[1326] I don't really have to do that.

[1327] Yeah.

[1328] Turns out I think I'm kind of a fucking idiot.

[1329] And then it's also the forced re -evaluation of the momentum that your life has taken on, which is also uncomfortable because it doesn't seem like you can stop it and it's also, you know, it's so much of who you are.

[1330] And it's why so many people that live, like, terrible lives defend and embrace that life because they don't want to admit they've fucked up.

[1331] Yeah.

[1332] They don't want to admit that they've probably been living their life on the momentum of this like really shitty decision that they may when they were 18, you know, let's pick their college major or whatever, whatever it was.

[1333] You know, and I like what you said about the patterns, too, because that eliminating a lot of the fear and uncertainty is a lot of what people do, and it's a lot of why people get good jobs.

[1334] Yeah.

[1335] You know, I'm just going to get a good job that pays good.

[1336] I got dental and, you know, and then, whew, I don't have to worry about that anymore.

[1337] And, but in doing that, you kill all the fucking wild, crazy fun of life.

[1338] You don't have those experiences, man. You eliminate experience from life.

[1339] I wouldn't recommend you jumping in the river and saving people, but I think you jumping in the river and saving that woman probably elevated you as a human being.

[1340] Oh, yeah.

[1341] Fuck, yeah.

[1342] I mean, that day changed my life, you know?

[1343] I couldn't imagine it not.

[1344] You just look at everything different.

[1345] You're like, okay, at that given point, I mean, it was almost like, if I did, it was a weird feeling, man. It's like, thing like, I guess I don't care if I live or die almost, but you do, you know?

[1346] it's like it's a weird feeling and then so you live the rest of the day is like man good thing I made it out of that river you know I'm gonna really do something cool this year you know that's part I think that's the addiction the addiction to that thing so in that moment when the bear is charging you it's that uncertainty the idea of uncertainty but it's so fucking narrow it's like compressed into this perfect moment like you you are gonna die or you're not gonna die and you're not certain of it but it's so fucking acute that cops get that I think I think.

[1347] Yeah.

[1348] I can imagine, you know.

[1349] I mean, if somebody's shooting at you, like, that kind of, it's like, I'm going to work every day, but are they really just going to work or, you know, I mean, that kind of job where you're in the line of uncertainty and danger.

[1350] Yeah.

[1351] I had a friend who was a cop when I lived in Boston, and he was in a fairly safe area, but he was getting transferred.

[1352] And he asked to get transferred to a bad neighborhood.

[1353] And I go, why are you doing that?

[1354] And he goes, more action.

[1355] and I go more action he goes yeah he goes I'm uh you know I'm bored I go so you want to go where the crime is he goes that's why I'm a cop I'm like well you're you should be a cop then fella fucking got the right mindset but he would talk very similarly about it about that he appreciates the good aspects of his life because of the bad aspects of the things that he sees every day because of the thrill and the danger of you know not you know you fucking kick down a door and you're locked and loaded who knows what the fuck is going to happen you know who knows who knows what's going to happen when you get out of that and you're okay who the fucking lemonade tastes sweeter yeah it's like you get this adrenaline rush man i you know i mean i've had a lot of other experience maybe not as extreme as that but you know a lot of other experiences and every time it's like that rush of adrenaline it's like okay well i survived unscate you're like checking your body person like unscathed right on let's do this again guys you know well we made it we're fine let's one more time maybe one more time around but what about wild animals what's the the creepiest wild animal encounter you've ever had uh you know i had a bear um i was guiding this one guy in uh new mexico and i parked this my i bought this brand new four wheeler and uh parked it and we do this hike and we're sitting there like looking for elk and I hear something behind me I kind of like turn around and look behind my shoulder here's this bear standing all fours like right there okay so how far away 10 feet brown bear black bear black bear black bear yeah I mean yeah you know I mean black bear's like I'm not really afraid of bears it's not like something that I you know I mean I like when I'm in grizzly country I like pay attention you know but it's not like something that keeps me awake at night but you know this bear kind of comes around and like okay this is you know me he's close he's like kind of inquisitive the guy that's with me he's like you have a bear tag right i was like yeah he's like shoot it i'm not going to shoot this bear um but i was like if it does something you know i'll shoot it you know it's like take my pistol out of my holster and i'm standing on this rock and the bear looks up and i like stick the gun out and he like just looks at me like okay and then walks off he's like oh that's pretty cool it's the guy hands me his rifle and he's like just in case it comes back i was like do you want to come back he's like no i don't So I make this dying rabbit, and I was like, the bear comes charging in, you know.

[1356] You wanted to come back.

[1357] I don't know.

[1358] Well, let's see if you do.

[1359] This bear comes charging in.

[1360] I throw the gun up.

[1361] And as soon as I throw the gun up, the bear wheels around goes off.

[1362] All right, that was cool.

[1363] So we go back and hike up to the four -wheeler.

[1364] I look, and the bear, what had done is it got into this dude's pack.

[1365] And he left his pack on the four -wheeler, he tore the pack -up, and then followed our tracks down to us looking for food you know so i'm laughing at him like your pack got ripped up i told you not to leave it there you're you know you idiot and uh he's kind of getting pissed like that i'm thinking this is funny and i get to my brand new four wheeler bear tore the seed in half and was clawing and ripped it ripped so much that it tore the key out the four wheeler and so we couldn't find the four wheeler key and it ended up just i mean we're like on our hands and knees with flash like where is this damn key you know like a long ways of way from where we started and ended up finding the key but when i lived in colorado a bear got into this lady's car opened up the door of her car and ate her car i mean fucking ate they have pictures of it on the website they love leather they didn't even leather i think it was vinyl really the bear ate the fucking dashboard the bear ate the dashboard bear ate the seats they ate everything just so mangled the inside of the car was a new car they like that new car smell.

[1366] They also like shit.

[1367] I had a buddy who was like a back country ranger in the boundary waters wilderness in Minnesota.

[1368] It's big ass million acre wilderness.

[1369] There's latrines and all the campsites and he'd have to go around and fix latrines like every spring.

[1370] After the shit came unfrozen the bears would fucking crawl down in there and eat all the human feces and all the toilet paper.

[1371] Oh!

[1372] In the blue water?

[1373] No blue water.

[1374] That's natural.

[1375] No blue water.

[1376] Natural shit and water.

[1377] The bears would eat the shit.

[1378] What the fuck bears?

[1379] Jesus Christ.

[1380] It seems that they, if they, that's a weird thing, too, about watching hunting shows, is that if bears are eating the right thing, they're delicious.

[1381] Yeah.

[1382] But if they're eating the wrong thing, they're nasty.

[1383] You are what you eat.

[1384] Literally.

[1385] Literally.

[1386] When you catch a bear, or if you shoot a bear, rather, and the bear's been eating blueberries, that's the most delicious?

[1387] Oh, that's what I've been told.

[1388] It's fantastic.

[1389] It's fantastic.

[1390] You actually cut it open.

[1391] You got the bear.

[1392] You can smell it.

[1393] You can see it in the blood.

[1394] You can see it in the fat.

[1395] You see in the fat, the fat's kind of blue, right?

[1396] It's dark.

[1397] It smells like it.

[1398] Wow.

[1399] And it's delicious.

[1400] The flesh of the animal.

[1401] It changes the color of the flesh of the animal.

[1402] I guess, I can't say conclusively, I'd want to see another bear next to it that didn't have it.

[1403] Maybe it's somewhat in our heads.

[1404] But certainly the fat.

[1405] Absolutely.

[1406] Yeah, it looked like it.

[1407] It looked like it was, I would watch that one episode in Alaska.

[1408] Is that where you guys were?

[1409] And one, we've done one in British Columbia that it was feeding on blueberries and one Alaska, too.

[1410] Wow.

[1411] There are some amazing animals out there, though.

[1412] I saw a golden eagle.

[1413] go after um some big horn sheep like swooping on deer size like the babies you know and then i've also seen them knock a mountain goat off a cliff you saw it live yeah yeah they just where was that that was in montana they this one it didn't kill it but what they'll do is like it knocked it off but then it got its feet and it was okay but um what they'll do is they'll like they're the number one predators these mountain goats and they'll just grab them on the back and huck them off a cliff and then they go down and eat them it's like holy cow that's an episode that's brutal i've seen that it's crazy do it with hand gliding yeah look at it here it goes right here look at this there you go look at this yeah i've seen that that's a Himalayan tar right there I think that is so goddamn gangster look at it just pulled it off the mountain and just bashed against the rocks it's insane it's so crazy this year figured that out too they're so big That's kind of like a tool.

[1414] That's almost like as intelligent as using tools.

[1415] Birds amaze me, man. Like, ravens.

[1416] Have you seen this video that there's these ravens that figure it out to drop nuts in front of like traffic?

[1417] And then they go down when the lights change and pick them up so the cars break the nuts.

[1418] Yeah.

[1419] It's crazy.

[1420] You ever seen the one where the raven figures out the use of tools, not just a primary tool but a secondary tool.

[1421] They use a secondary tool to get the primary tool and then use the primary tool to get meat out of a puzzle?

[1422] Oh, my God.

[1423] Pull it up.

[1424] Ravens solved complex puzzle.

[1425] See if you can find it.

[1426] Because it's one of those things that shocked the scientists when they put it on, when they put the experiment on.

[1427] They couldn't believe how fast these ravens could figure it out.

[1428] I mean, it was unbelievably.

[1429] Well, that's coming.

[1430] Let me see if I can find it.

[1431] Let's see.

[1432] Yes, this is one of them.

[1433] This is one of several So what they figured out is they get this stick Look at this and they use this stick To get a second stick Along your stick Yeah they use it to get they figured out But they figured it out instantly And then they use that Now they get the second stick So he's got the second stick Now he uses the second stick To get something else Look They try to get a third stick I mean it's fucking mind blowing man Look at that And he's got a third stick And she uses the third stick to get whatever the fuck she was trying to get.

[1434] She's trying to get some food.

[1435] That's awesome.

[1436] And if she can't figure that out, then she'll go and try a fourth and a fifth stick.

[1437] Look at that.

[1438] She got her food.

[1439] That's nuts, man. And they figured it out within seconds.

[1440] I don't even think most people would figure that out.

[1441] No, I would starve to death.

[1442] I would starve to death.

[1443] Look at this fucking raven, the sneaky bastard.

[1444] I had a steak that was frozen, and I was trying to thaw it out.

[1445] So I said, maybe it'd better if I put out in the sun.

[1446] And I put it out in the sun in my backyard for 30 seconds.

[1447] and I came back and a raven was eating it Just gone I was like no he didn't eat the whole thing But he picked like some pieces out of the steak And I was like you creepy prick Like you're spying on me Like you're watching me He realized that I came out And I put that steak down He was like oh look at this stupid fuck You went in the house What?

[1448] Like immediately like he's probably peering Watching from the trees Thinking about what I'm doing Like look this dopey bitch He's probably following you in your car every day now I keep telling the story about an octopus That I need to figure out If it's legit and true or not But supposedly it was in a scientific laboratory.

[1449] One side of the room, there was a tank with octopus in it.

[1450] The other side of room was a tank with fish in it.

[1451] Both tanks had lids on them.

[1452] The octopus at night, the fish kept disappearing.

[1453] And they're like, what the fuck happened to the fish?

[1454] So the octopus would take the lid off their tank, crawl out, crawl across the room, take the lid off the other tank, grab a fish, put the lid back on, crawl back, put their own lid on?

[1455] Yes.

[1456] Yeah, that was real.

[1457] That is real?

[1458] That is real.

[1459] Is there a video?

[1460] Yeah.

[1461] I don't know if there's a video.

[1462] Yeah, there's a video.

[1463] There's a video.

[1464] Well, there's definitely a video of octopuses climbing out.

[1465] Look, there's one right there of an octopus walking on the ground or crawling or whatever the fuck you would call that squirming on the ground, and they can move across the wall.

[1466] Do they have predators?

[1467] Anything kill octopus?

[1468] Yeah, there must be.

[1469] But octopus kills sharks.

[1470] That's what's fucked up.

[1471] There was another video that they took from an aquarium, from a large aquarium, and they were trying to figure out why these sharks were missing.

[1472] Like, what the fuck is going on?

[1473] So they set up a camera, and they were worried when they introduced sharks that the octopus, who become food for the sharks.

[1474] But it's totally the opposite.

[1475] The sharks are swimming along, and the octopus, look at this, out of nowhere, leaps on this shark and just fucking jack something.

[1476] Look, here's a shark like, I'm the baddest motherfucker in this tank.

[1477] What are you bitches going to do about that?

[1478] And this thing that looks like a rock is just sitting there waiting for his opportunity to fuck up a shark.

[1479] And as the shark gets too close, it leaps out of nowhere and grabs a hold of them.

[1480] Check this out.

[1481] Swat!

[1482] Bitch, get over here.

[1483] Wraps them up.

[1484] Wow.

[1485] Makes him useless and just starts eating.

[1486] Yeah, once those, I think once sharks, they have to keep moving.

[1487] Sharks always have to be swimming, you know?

[1488] That octopus just turns them upside down and puts them in a submission hold.

[1489] That shark's done.

[1490] Isn't it an interesting how nature balances itself out?

[1491] Yeah.

[1492] It's like, yeah, it makes it so sharks are awesome and they have big giant teeth.

[1493] But let's throw a little monkey wrench in and you can't sleep and you have to keep moving.

[1494] And if you pause, you die.

[1495] How about that?

[1496] You know, like people.

[1497] Oh, okay, you're going to be figure out cars and guns and all that.

[1498] But let's make your skin so that, like, you could kind of pinch your way through it.

[1499] And then you pull parts out and you just bleed out and you just die.

[1500] Real easy.

[1501] I had this unique experience this year.

[1502] I was out, I'm just looking around, and I see these bear tracks in the snow.

[1503] So I'm like, okay.

[1504] So I'm actually out there just taking picture of these bear tracks.

[1505] because they froze in the ice.

[1506] So it was like a really cool looking track.

[1507] And I'm just like on a road and buddies with me. And he's like, I get in the truck.

[1508] And he's like, there's the bear.

[1509] Like what?

[1510] And I'll look up, you know, because I'm looking at it.

[1511] And it's like 30, 40 feet away from the truck.

[1512] So I'm like, yeah, okay.

[1513] And it's like, I've never seen, like, bears always run away.

[1514] I'm like, never seen a bear either.

[1515] And it walks off below the road.

[1516] And I'm like, there's something weird with this bear, right?

[1517] So we get out of the truck.

[1518] and I look and it's like below the road.

[1519] So I sneak up and just start petting the bear on the ass.

[1520] And my buddy's filming it with his iPhone, right?

[1521] Where's that video?

[1522] I've got to get it from him.

[1523] So I'm petting this live bear, right?

[1524] And just like, I'm just like, hey, bear.

[1525] I'm just like talking to this bear.

[1526] How can you eat that story in your pocket?

[1527] I know.

[1528] Well, this happened this year.

[1529] And so I'm petting this bear.

[1530] And then the bear looks back at me. And he's like, looking at me. And I'm like, there's, like, I thought it was like wounded or something.

[1531] I'm not really sure what's going on with the bear.

[1532] His eyes are red.

[1533] The bear's blind.

[1534] Just a blind bear.

[1535] It's like never seen that.

[1536] So the bear like, it's like having trouble moving around.

[1537] We're thinking like, I don't know, has this bear been shot or like whatever.

[1538] So then we're watching this bear and I'm videoing it.

[1539] And the bear walks up, hits its head on a tree, walks in a circle, hits its head on a tree again.

[1540] 100 % blind.

[1541] Wow.

[1542] Yeah.

[1543] So we're like, and these two other guys that were with me. and both of them are vets and they're like freaking out like oh that bear's suffering you know what can we do you know and it's like as humans we we feel sorry for things you know we feel sorry for it but you know like looking at it like that bear didn't feel sorry for itself is just nature it was an old bear and uh you know it's just that's what happens when bears get old they go blind and they starve to death and die you know but i mean it's like crazy to see how this bear was just like at the end it was probably a 30 -year -old bear.

[1544] Did you watch the last episode of Meat Eater?

[1545] Which...

[1546] It was a spring bear.

[1547] Yeah, it was one where...

[1548] No, I didn't see that one.

[1549] Steve went bear hunting and had a lock on a bear and just decided he didn't want to shoot it.

[1550] I just decided, you know, he did it twice.

[1551] Two times in the episode, he's like, you know what?

[1552] I don't...

[1553] I don't need to shoot this bear.

[1554] Well, here's the thing.

[1555] People, like, that don't hunt, don't get it necessarily, like...

[1556] I love animals, you know?

[1557] It's like, I, it's almost hard for me to believe how someone else that doesn't spend as much time in nature loves animals like I do.

[1558] Because I'm around them all the time.

[1559] I don't want to see these animals disappear.

[1560] It's like people think, oh, you're just out there to kill these animals.

[1561] No, that's not it.

[1562] Like, I think, you know, like hunters have words and then everybody else has these words that don't mean the same thing as us.

[1563] Like hunters have this word like trophy hunting or whatever where they're looking for a large animal.

[1564] but for me like it doesn't mean that I'm not eating it or whatever people have this different word for it than I do like when I was when I said I was hunting for 30 days I could have killed probably a hundred different deer and chose not to I did not kill a deer on that trip and why I was looking for a big but not because it was big because it was a challenge for me to hunt the most mature animal right and it made me be out there longer it put my skills instead of against any deer against one deer and in that certain scenario i failed i was actually hunting one particular year i ended up hunting that deer for three years i never got that deer i never did you know i probably put in three months of time and scouting i saw them only twice in those three months and was hunting one particular deer because it was huge and to me it was like the challenge of it and i got to be in nature i mean i know more about those deer now i would sit there and watch them study their patterns like where they would go what their bachelor groups were just like any nature channel whatever and for me i love those deer like i don't want to see those deer disappear i don't want to see their habitat being infringed upon i don't want to see like you know it's not about killing these deer it's about being a part of this system and prolonging it like being out there hunting and enjoying it and just you know doing my thing yeah people who have never experienced that probably don't understand why it's so fascinating and wonderful when you're out there.

[1565] But it is regardless.

[1566] I would suggest to those people to keep an eye out for our British Columbia grizzly episodes coming up because that was an experience of us sitting on these beautiful ridgetops watching grizzly bears for almost two weeks.

[1567] Of just like, and that observation is just like Remy's saying, it's just something like something changes, how you feel about the animals, how you feel about the land, and how you feel about your interaction out there.

[1568] It's pretty magical just to be there.

[1569] Well, when we were in Montana, I felt that way about the sheep because we weren't going to hunt them, but they were everywhere.

[1570] We saw a lot of them.

[1571] And we sat many times.

[1572] We spent hours just sitting there watching these sheep crawl up the side of this mountain, kind of freaking out.

[1573] Like, look at how they do that.

[1574] They're just crawling up this cliff.

[1575] Oh, yeah.

[1576] The fuck are they doing that.

[1577] And since we weren't hunting them, they just became objects of wilderness fascination.

[1578] You know, they weren't, It wasn't like the same quick heart -beated thing.

[1579] Like, oh, there's a deer, this is a deer, deer, there wasn't any of that.

[1580] It was just like, look at these crazy fucks with their giant balls.

[1581] Remember Steve?

[1582] Like, fucking giant balls.

[1583] Steve, there's a video.

[1584] Pull the video up because I've got to take a leak of Steve talking about big horn sheep balls.

[1585] It's on his YouTube channel where he has a goal of shooting one of those and then eating their balls.

[1586] Like right away.

[1587] Pull it up if you can.

[1588] But yeah, just being out there.

[1589] I remember we found mountain line shit, too.

[1590] That was pretty fascinating.

[1591] We found this big rope of shit with deer hair in it, and it was like, ooh.

[1592] Yeah.

[1593] Like, this is out here, too, huh?

[1594] Do you have any draw for bear to hunt a bear?

[1595] Does that attract you at all?

[1596] Only one I would eat.

[1597] I wouldn't want to hunt a grizzly bear unless I could eat it.

[1598] I've heard conflicting stories about whether or not you can eat a grizzly bear.

[1599] I watched an episode of one show where they ate a bear steak.

[1600] It was a brown bear, and they said it was good.

[1601] What show?

[1602] Do you know what show of that?

[1603] That was Alaska, the last frontier.

[1604] Okay.

[1605] The guy shot a bear that was eating their cows and wound up cooking it and eating it and had a little campfire and just eating the bear steak.

[1606] Really?

[1607] What is the, do you have grizzly?

[1608] I've never eaten grizzly, no. I've never, I mean, I've never been grizzly hunting.

[1609] It's just not something I've done.

[1610] You know, really, like, I've never been like a bear hunter, predator hunter kind of guy.

[1611] I mean, I stick to a lot of deer and elk and.

[1612] stuff in New Zealand and stuff like that.

[1613] I mean, I've hunted bears and I gave you some bear salami.

[1614] Yeah.

[1615] It's really, I mean, you'll eat it.

[1616] Like, anybody that eats that and says that's not good salami is crazy.

[1617] Like, it's good, you know.

[1618] So you like bears, it's just not something you go after a lot.

[1619] Yeah, it's not my thing.

[1620] There's guys that, like, like it and hunt them.

[1621] What's the difference between going after a predator and going after something that's a game animal?

[1622] Does it get you sort of, you feel like they're almost like a kin?

[1623] uh sometimes you know you just kind of feel like that like they're out there doing their thing like you are sometimes you know i mean i don't have anything against it you know it's not like i've bear hunted and it's been fun and exciting um and i obviously eat everything i shoot so um have you killed the lion mountain line yeah i've killed the mountain line that to me in the past almost three years now hunting constantly with steve has was the most exciting just like balls out fun experience i've had just chasing mountain lions in the we were in arizona twice with dogs I never thought I would enjoy it I was actually kind of opposed to it to begin with We never saw a line We never killed the line, never did anything But it was the most like I got fucking fired up Isn't that crazy?

[1624] You didn't see a line You didn't kill a line But yet it was incredibly exciting It was the dogs Like watching hounds do their thing It's just it's like adrenaline all day long And it's just it's a beautiful These dogs are You think I wonder what their VOT2 Max would be like Some of these dogs could run for fucking Ever ever ever They're designed for that.

[1625] Do you have that video?

[1626] Yeah.

[1627] Yeah, play it because I got a piss.

[1628] We'll be right back, folks.

[1629] From the joint to the bone, these are the parts of the animal that harken back to the most original forms of cooking.

[1630] Hunt it, chop it up, and cook it.

[1631] You really don't get more primal than a testicle in my mind.

[1632] I would bring this down and share it with the guys that I'm cooking for, but it's just never going to go far enough and never be going to be guys at a real jealousy and get a slice.

[1633] So I'm not going to eat it myself.

[1634] It's going to be kind of like the cook spec.

[1635] That's the deer nut.

[1636] Look for one that Joe Rogan is into with the sheet.

[1637] The only way I've ever cooked these from game is in butter.

[1638] I do like butter balls, butternut.

[1639] Basically I'm just like poaching this thing in butter.

[1640] And a little red hot.

[1641] No, it's, it was in Montana.

[1642] It was one of the trailers for when Joe and Brian came out to Montana first.

[1643] It's like something wax and poetic about sheep balls.

[1644] Another big horn rap.

[1645] When you go home.

[1646] and tell people what a bad spot I took you to.

[1647] And you say, boy, we didn't see a lot of big horns, though.

[1648] What they're going to say is something like, what kind of dumbass hunts mule deer in big horn country?

[1649] You've never seen a scrotum.

[1650] He's seen a scrodom on a big horn ran.

[1651] It's a sight of behold.

[1652] I'd love to show you if you turned right.

[1653] I'll look, sure.

[1654] It's just, it's like a church bell.

[1655] This is like a church bell hanging down between his legs.

[1656] Wow, what a cool -looking animal.

[1657] Yeah, they're sweet.

[1658] Were you able to see that church bell on this?

[1659] Yeah.

[1660] It's impressive.

[1661] Yeah, it's huge.

[1662] If I ever draw a big horn tag, the first thing I'm going to do, I'm going to, when I kill one, and then punch my tag, and I'm going to eat the contents of that sack.

[1663] Just straight up, just...

[1664] Raw?

[1665] Just right there, like apples.

[1666] Why?

[1667] I just feel cold to do that.

[1668] I'm sitting in a cactus.

[1669] It looks so nice out right there.

[1670] It was so fucking cold as shit.

[1671] It was so cold.

[1672] I had cactus in my legs for three months.

[1673] I did.

[1674] It was a funny video of Callan plucking my legs.

[1675] That's also on the same channel.

[1676] Plucking cactus out of my legs in front of the fire.

[1677] When I sat down to shoot that deer, I must have got at least 50 or 60 cactus needles in my leg It was crazy They last forever But it wasn't a bad last forever It was like a welcome sign Dan Doty off to the can Yeah the um This is this Brian Callan And my leg out And I mean he must have pulled No BS at least 50 of those things out of me No I mean this way It looked like I had like little zits all over me for like a couple of weeks afterwards.

[1678] It took a while for them to all pop through the skin.

[1679] Like, I'd be taking a shower, and I'd wash, and I'd feel like, like, it felt like stubble.

[1680] But it was really just a cactus thorn.

[1681] It was stuck inside of me. When your face is level to your friend's ass and you're pulling quills out of his ass, that's a real friend.

[1682] I have a new appreciation for his glute and upper thigh development.

[1683] What was that movie where the guy sits on the cactus and he thinks a rattlesnake?

[1684] And his buddy's like, you know, he's going to, like, suck the venom out.

[1685] Oh, that was, wasn't that a Dan Aykroyd movie or something?

[1686] Oh, gosh, I can't remember.

[1687] I don't remember.

[1688] That's always the joke, right?

[1689] Suck the venom out.

[1690] Can you actually do that?

[1691] It's not recommended.

[1692] It's not, right?

[1693] No, I mean, I think you can actually do that, yes.

[1694] Should the normal person, no. It would be a real extreme situation.

[1695] You'd prefer to, like, suck it out with something else.

[1696] but because what can happen is then the venom's in your mouth.

[1697] You know, it can travel your bloodstream pretty easily through your mouth if you don't do it right.

[1698] It is possible, but...

[1699] So what do you do, how do you do it?

[1700] What I would suggest is, like, say you're in the middle of nowhere, you get bit by a rattlesnake.

[1701] First thing you're going to do is, like, put the area...

[1702] You don't want it below your heart, so, you know, I mean, just kind of keep it like it's in your hand.

[1703] It's normally a leg or whatever.

[1704] I would maybe make, like, a tournigan, not super tight, but, you know, I mean, a little bit.

[1705] And then you could use, like, sterilize a knife or something, cut it open.

[1706] Heat, like, water in a metal bottle or something.

[1707] And then, like, if you have, like, a, I kind of have, like, this metal canteen or something or hot water pour it into a nowgene bottle, like, boiling water.

[1708] And then stick it up against it on the outside.

[1709] And as that water cools, it creates, like, a suction.

[1710] And it'll actually, like, suck the blood in the venom out.

[1711] It's like a makeshift suction cup, you know?

[1712] So do you cut?

[1713] The wound open?

[1714] You can cut.

[1715] I don't know.

[1716] Sometimes they say don't do it.

[1717] Sometimes, you know, I think I would...

[1718] They say don't.

[1719] They say don't, but I would.

[1720] A lot of people say you just dress it like a wound and get where you need to go.

[1721] Yeah, but we're talking like, you can't get where you need to go.

[1722] Yeah.

[1723] It's not going to kill you.

[1724] Rattles thinks they're not going to kill you.

[1725] But don't they do massive damage to your tissue?

[1726] Yeah, my grandpa's the same grandpa, the crazy grandpa.

[1727] He's been a bit three times.

[1728] Tell him the story of the...

[1729] Tell him the guerrilla suit on.

[1730] This is the craziest story.

[1731] And, you know, some of these stories are like, is this true?

[1732] But this has been confirmed by, like, the dude who this happened to.

[1733] He was a, you know, he's a professional boxer, and he thought he was, you know, pretty quick.

[1734] I don't know what he'd do.

[1735] He's like, I'm quicker than a snake, you know.

[1736] So he gets hammered by a rattlesnake.

[1737] I think he caught a rattlesnake.

[1738] He thought he killed it.

[1739] He put in a bucket.

[1740] And then it bit him.

[1741] So, and he was, I can't, I don't know where he's at.

[1742] So he gets bit by this rattlesnake.

[1743] So he's driving himself into the hospital.

[1744] He blacks out while he's driving, runs through the front of a gas station, right?

[1745] Through the convenience store, the whole deal.

[1746] And he breaks through.

[1747] The owner runs up.

[1748] He opens the door.

[1749] My grandpa rolls out of the truck holding a live rattlesnake.

[1750] There will be a movie made about your rattlesnake.

[1751] I like that it would be the the craziest movie and you'd be like there's no way any of this and it's like he was that's what I'm getting at when you live like in this wild life a lot of crazy things happen I mean he's just one of those guys that just never he just lived life you know and he just shit just always happened like he had so many crazy I could go on for days about just some of the most unbelievable stories you know like that is awesome he just kept it floored the whole time he just he lived on the edge you know this One of my favorite stories is he went into a bar.

[1752] I think it was up in Virginia City, Nevada.

[1753] It was like a bike, you know, like, anyways, there was like this biker group that was in there, kind of taking over the bar and kicking people out, right?

[1754] So he goes out, him and his buddy were in there.

[1755] He tells the buddy, go warm up the truck.

[1756] The guy, he said, go warm up the truck, park it at that corner right there.

[1757] He's standing there, you know how bikers line up their motorcycles all along the edge?

[1758] He goes and kicks over one bicycle and kicks him all over in domino fashion.

[1759] Tells a guy walking and say, hey, somebody kicked your bikes over out there.

[1760] And he's standing at the door.

[1761] And as these dudes are running out, he's one hit and I'm knocking him out.

[1762] He said he knocked about four of them out and then ran to the truck and grow up.

[1763] They're just running into punches.

[1764] I mean, he's just like a mountain man cowboy his whole life, you know?

[1765] It's refreshing to know the crazy assholes like that actually existed and did live that life.

[1766] and then they have like grandkids like me you know well all things considered you came out great exactly you know that's that's a very unusual thing for a 28 year old guy 28 yeah 28 year old guy to live his most you know a giant chunk of your life to be in the woods and living in the wilderness yeah it's definitely it's uh one of those things i think like i graduate high school and i knew what i always i knew what i always loved and i was like i'm gonna make this my life and people are how you can do that i'm just going to start doing it you know know it's like I think after high school I remember I actually graduated high school with like a lot of college credits so I was like well instead of go to school the fall semester I'm going to uh travel around and hunt as much as I can and then I'll write a book okay did you write a book no still haven't wrote a book I'm still living it you started at all you know I have I've started some stuff because I've got like a lot of just like a lot of crazy things have happened and so what I did was while I went to college every I would take six months off in the fall and work as a guide and hunt and travel and essentially do what I'm doing.

[1767] How far in advance are you booked for guide stuff?

[1768] Almost two years.

[1769] You booked two years in advance?

[1770] Like this year's full.

[1771] Next year we, you know, we've got openings like 2015.

[1772] I guess we start booking now, you know?

[1773] And the New Zealand stuff is kind of like you can pretty much come whenever.

[1774] If you're like ready to go, you just go.

[1775] So your guide stuff is a lot of repeat businesses?

[1776] people that have been with you many, many times.

[1777] They just book everything in advance.

[1778] Exactly.

[1779] And then what happens is because I've got so many like repeat guys.

[1780] You know, I have other guides that work for me. It's like a fairly good size operation.

[1781] And then, you know, like repeats book every year.

[1782] But the new guys that want in, they've got to go like a year or two out.

[1783] So they get all their buddies together and go a year or two out.

[1784] And so you get kind of like backlogged that way, you know.

[1785] Wow.

[1786] That's wild.

[1787] So that's actually a pretty fucking stable business.

[1788] Well, yes and no. because you got like a lot of at any given moment the regulations could change and I'd be out of business you know like you know how you I mean hunting's very very regulated and it should be I mean it's if you do it right it's the purpose of it is for conservation and so I mean they're look at numbers and tags and all this and so at any moment where I do my stuff could change that's why that's why I started doing things in New Zealand because every all the animals in New Zealand are not supposed to be there so environmentalists in America don't want any animals.

[1789] dead you know environmentalists in new zealand want all the non -native animals dead because they eat the native grasses and they aren't supposed to be there this that and the other thing you know so it's like there's no regulation yeah you guys killed a canadian goose with a high -powered rifle yeah which was delicious i bet it was but you know i mean you think about it like himalayan tar are just like they're one of the coolest animals on the planet to me they just the country they live in is so rough and you know new zealand the southern alps is almost identical to the Amalayas, like, that's where Sir Edmund Hillary trained was on Mount Cook in New Zealand for his first ascent to Everest.

[1790] I mean, it's, like, where me and Steve went hunting in that episode, that was in the Mount Cook area.

[1791] I mean, we were hunting some of the roughest mountains in the world, and you're hunting an animal that on its home range is almost gone, and here, there's, like, there's too many.

[1792] It's overpopulated.

[1793] Wow, that is fascinating.

[1794] Yeah, it's like a cool story.

[1795] No predator.

[1796] You can even shoot cars in New Zealand.

[1797] I don't know if we should tell that story.

[1798] I think we did.

[1799] I think Steve told that story.

[1800] What happened?

[1801] Somebody shot a car.

[1802] No, no, not somebody in shit.

[1803] Okay, well, we had this.

[1804] None of us, none of us professionals.

[1805] This was like some other dude we hired, right, as a packer for that episode.

[1806] And after we crossed the river, we sent him back, hiked back to the vehicles to charge batteries.

[1807] And he's sitting in the car like fucking around with something.

[1808] And apparently he comes back, like, we're like, what?

[1809] happen to Ben, dude.

[1810] We're back in the hut.

[1811] Ben's like, Remy, I need to have a word.

[1812] No, he opens the door.

[1813] We're all in this little warming hunt.

[1814] And it's the most sheepish face that I could ever imagine.

[1815] Peaks in.

[1816] It's just, Remy, can I talk to you for a minute?

[1817] I was like, you didn't run the truck out of diesel, did you?

[1818] No. But I need to have a word.

[1819] Okay.

[1820] So we go outside.

[1821] He's like, I don't know to tell you this, man. I shot your car.

[1822] He blew the fuel line.

[1823] He severed the fuel line with a shotgun from inside.

[1824] He was sitting in the driver's seat.

[1825] He fired through the floor blew the fuel line.

[1826] We had to tow this truck, what was it, like 30 miles?

[1827] 30 miles down like a river bed.

[1828] No roads, yeah.

[1829] No roads.

[1830] We had two river crossings where the truck is tied to the truck in front, just dragging across a river where the water's like flowing over the truck.

[1831] And so, I mean, here's the thing.

[1832] The dude was Australian.

[1833] I mean, I like the guy.

[1834] He's a friend.

[1835] But Ozies don't have semi -automatic weapons, and he thought it would be trying to figure out how it works.

[1836] Oops.

[1837] In a truck with a loaded gun?

[1838] He didn't, obviously, it was an accident.

[1839] He didn't know it was loaded.

[1840] His ears were ringing.

[1841] Oh, my God.

[1842] It was scary.

[1843] You know, I was like, you know, I'm like, when it comes to firearm safety or any kind of safety like that, I am the biggest stickler on the planet because you don't get second chances with that kind of stuff.

[1844] Like, it's not something to mess around with.

[1845] And any real, like any hunter, any gun owner knows that that's key.

[1846] Like, you don't mess around with guns.

[1847] It's 100 % the law, you know.

[1848] in my mind, in my friend's mind and everybody else's mind, but he was by himself, he was just kind of bored and messing around.

[1849] Like, what's this do?

[1850] What's this button do, huh?

[1851] What's this do?

[1852] Oh, okay.

[1853] Boom.

[1854] Oh.

[1855] Yeah.

[1856] I don't even know how the fuck you could have done that.

[1857] It makes no sense.

[1858] I'm just trying to play it over and over again.

[1859] But let me tell you, like, the Australian jokes that were flying after.

[1860] They're like, oh, yeah.

[1861] Ozies are so good at shooting.

[1862] They can hit a truck on while it's running, you know?

[1863] Now, you guys, in the New Zealand one, you hunted tar, you hunted, what's the animal?

[1864] Shammie?

[1865] Is that the same stuff that shammie cloth has made?

[1866] Yeah, that is.

[1867] Yeah, that is it, why does it absorb water like that?

[1868] Like, shammie cloths they used to clean a car?

[1869] Yeah, it's the leather.

[1870] It's just absorb and it just soaks up the water.

[1871] And I think it has to do with where they live.

[1872] Their bodies are designed to soak up that water and, like, wool, their hides are real woolly.

[1873] so wool's one of the only fabrics that when it gets wet it retains it's like our value of insulation so what they do is they get wet they expand and they their skin is like a wet suit you know how you get a wet suit you're like it's freezing out but water gets inside and it keeps you warm they're kind of a stinky critter they got they got a smell to them yeah i don't know i think tar definitely smell a little they both were those things like tar was good tar is good yeah tar is one of my favorite animals but it's also like when you go on a tar hunt it's uh it in my opinion it's like it's an expedition you don't just like roll out and go i'm gonna go shoot a tar today no you're like you better be you're in the shit you know i mean like when we got up there i was getting on these guys like we have to leave before the sun yeah before the shade hits this mountain otherwise we sleep here because you will die because what happens is the the snow melts is within in like an hour of the shade hitting where the snow melts it'll turn to ice and you can't stop yourself and you'll just go off a 3 ,000 foot cliff yeah they're looking at it right actually that's a tar right there so I don't think we have the shot directly below those tar actually I don't know that's across that was across the river but where we climbed up to was literally probably 1 ,500 foot cliff like just right down fuck it was well I remember that being a concern with where you shot the animal yeah because you don't want to go off the fly off the edge turn it a hamburger.

[1874] What happens when a tar flies off a cliff drops 1 ,500 feet?

[1875] Do you just leave it down there or do you go down and get it?

[1876] You go get it.

[1877] So this year, for the solo hunters deal, I did this trip on my own and I crossed the river.

[1878] The river was so, like, crazy.

[1879] The water is flowing over the hood and it's full inside the vehicle.

[1880] Like my ankles, you fill the truck up with water to cross because it keeps the weight down, keeps it from floating and flipping.

[1881] What?

[1882] So I've got a snorkel on my truck.

[1883] And some of this I don't, like, couldn't really cut.

[1884] Because when you don't have a camera guy, it's, like, freaking impossible to cover everything, you know.

[1885] It's like, I really wish I would have covered that.

[1886] But when you're like, I might die, I'm not going to dick around with, you know, whatever.

[1887] So some of the good crossing I didn't catch, but I did get some of the other stuff.

[1888] Anyways, I mean, you go across the river and you're floating down the river and the water's going over.

[1889] And your heart is, like, literally in your throat.

[1890] It's the scariest shit ever.

[1891] And then you get off and, well, you don't get off, but.

[1892] You can get out.

[1893] This is why I'm alive.

[1894] I'm not quite, so the cab of the vehicle is full?

[1895] Yeah, yeah.

[1896] How are you breathing?

[1897] No, no, no, not fully full.

[1898] Just partially full.

[1899] Like where you'd be sitting.

[1900] So, like, where your feet.

[1901] You know what I mean?

[1902] Yeah, so I've got holes in the floor.

[1903] So, like, when I do severe river crossings, the level fills up.

[1904] So then, like, it keeps it down.

[1905] So it's not full there.

[1906] Do you have a special vehicle for this?

[1907] No, it's just a Toyota.

[1908] just a Toyota like forerunner diesel though Toyota four runner and you put some quite of exhaust snorkel so that it can be deep underwater because otherwise where the exhaust tips are if water gets in there and stops the combustion is that what?

[1909] Exactly if water gets in the engine then it doesn't work needs air, you know, breathe so the snorkels up like right at the top of the left window and so what I, you cross kind of like at a 45 so you go up river and then you 45 down you know because that's the safest and then you just kind of like are floating down driving you hear i mean you're it's grinding and water's over the hood and everything and you're looking at your window and the water's maybe halfway up the window it's just like muddy water so then you cross and uh and then i i hiked up to this spot and uh you know i'm tar hunting and that's like my favorite thing to do is just an adventure every time and uh i get up there and i i had actually bow hunted up there like a week before it was unsuccessful just really bad weather so i went back with a rifle and um i shoot this tar and i thought like oh it looks pretty good well it fell into a waterfall like the top of a waterfall so then i had to film myself scaling down climbing and then i huck it off the waterfall and then go down to the next bit to where i could cut it up and pack it out wow and if you'd never seen a tar before they don't look like a real animal it looks like something out of star It's like a gorilla with horns.

[1910] Yeah.

[1911] It's like a lion gorilla horns.

[1912] Goat.

[1913] It's crazy.

[1914] They're cool.

[1915] Yeah, they have very, very bizarre hair.

[1916] See if you can pull up one.

[1917] They might even have one from the show.

[1918] There might be a video.

[1919] You guys have more videos online now, and I understand that Meat Eater is now going to have digital downloads available, so you could download.

[1920] I believe we're working on it.

[1921] It's not up yet.

[1922] It's not something you go right now and download, but we're working.

[1923] We're getting there.

[1924] I've been trying to get people to watch the show.

[1925] There it is right there.

[1926] That's the tar.

[1927] And that's one of the weird situations where they weren't sure if it was a good place to shoot it because it was right near the edge of that cliff.

[1928] It's tough to tell from there.

[1929] What I've done, if anybody wants to check out those solo hunter episodes from last year, that waterfall bull will be on this season.

[1930] But last year, if you go to the Solo Hunter's website, I mean it's SoloHuntersTV .com, we've got every episode up online right now.

[1931] Oh, great.

[1932] So you can just watch everything.

[1933] It's a great show.

[1934] I've got DVR.

[1935] I don't know how many episodes on the DVR.

[1936] So you can just go online and just check them all out.

[1937] It's a great show, man, because it's, again, a unique perspective.

[1938] We're talking about how Dan is so into making sure that it doesn't look, that meat eater doesn't look like the average hunting show.

[1939] With Soul Hunters is so unusual to see a guy wandering through, whether it's you or what's the other guy's name, Tim Barnett?

[1940] I watched another one.

[1941] I watched two of them last night, one with you, in Africa, another one with him shooting a moose, and he was trying to drag this fucking moose out of the water by himself.

[1942] And it was just like, God damn, that thing is 1 ,200 pounds.

[1943] It's fucking huge.

[1944] And he's, I mean, he doesn't really a weak guy, but, I mean, how the fuck are you going to drag that thing out of the water?

[1945] It's like a lot of this, like inches.

[1946] It's hernia waiting to have it.

[1947] Yeah, that's the last thing you want to have in Alaska, too.

[1948] No. That's the nice thing.

[1949] Like, if you're by yourself, you want them in the water.

[1950] Yeah, a little buoyancy goes a long ways.

[1951] Well, I was amazed that, I mean, when we were in Wisconsin, we shot that deer.

[1952] How hard it is to drag a deer?

[1953] It wasn't even a big deer.

[1954] What did that deer weigh that I shot?

[1955] 130 pounds or something, maybe?

[1956] Oh, maybe a little more than that, I would say.

[1957] That mulee?

[1958] Maybe 150.

[1959] No, the other one, the one in Wisconsin.

[1960] Oh, yeah, 130, 120.

[1961] So we're dragging it out.

[1962] I'm like, this is fucking exhausting.

[1963] This little, and there's two of us.

[1964] There's two of us dragging this little deer.

[1965] I'm like, God damn, this is a fucking moose?

[1966] Yeah, that's crazy.

[1967] I think solo is impressive in a lot of ways.

[1968] I think the camera works impressive.

[1969] If Remy wasn't the hunter dude he was, I'd hire him to be my cameraman because he's better than most people.

[1970] Well, you also have an artistic perspective on it that I thought was really unusual, and I didn't expect in watching the show where you talked about macro shots and really close -ups of just pulling arrows out of the ground and seeing flowers and distant shots.

[1971] It's very artistic as well as being...

[1972] See, I like doing it because it's like I'm kind of a...

[1973] I'm creative guy.

[1974] I like designing things and being creative.

[1975] And so it's a way for me to, like, tell the story of exactly what's happening with no filters.

[1976] Nobody else is there.

[1977] I'm filming it.

[1978] It's my story.

[1979] It's my world.

[1980] Like, that's the closest way to get into my brain.

[1981] You know what I mean?

[1982] Because I'm, and obviously, like, things get edited, too, you know.

[1983] But, like, I film what I like, you know.

[1984] And so, and I think, like, as it's grown, you'll see more and more of that because I like every bit of nature, you know.

[1985] So I think you're going to see, like, an individual.

[1986] adventure you're going to see you know plants and animals and all kinds of stuff who does the um the production uh tim does the production so he edits it he does everything yeah so it's a two -man show yeah exactly sometimes a one -man show when it's his show right like it's him getting a moose he does the whole thing yeah yeah yeah it's fucking great show yeah again another thing that's great about it is this is a zero redneck aspect to it yeah we try that yeah can't believe here we are again oh wow man i'll tell you what alaska i'll tell you what alaska is a beautiful they're up for some awards too right now our show are they should be is that for this week the shot show that'll be shot show this week what is shot stand for don't know it's uh something something something something hunting it's tactical and hunting shooting hunting outdoor trade gun i think that's it are we still going to try to do a bunch of episodes of media this year.

[1987] I'll do four of them.

[1988] I got some propositions for you, man. What do you want to do?

[1989] You say what you want to do and I'll make it happen.

[1990] I want to do whatever we can do.

[1991] Let's do it.

[1992] I'm not even interested in money.

[1993] I'm just trying to have fun.

[1994] At this point in my life, this is what I want to do.

[1995] I like hunting.

[1996] I do a lot of exciting shit.

[1997] I mean, my whole life has been exciting shit from martial arts to doing stand -up comedy, working for the UFC.

[1998] So I know what exciting shit is.

[1999] So when I get into hunting and I'm fucking like, this is crazy.

[2000] This is even more exciting than I'm used to be excited.

[2001] Yeah.

[2002] You know, that's how exciting how you is.

[2003] Well, let's do it.

[2004] You come up with your dream list of what you want to do.

[2005] And the other thing that I want to do is, I don't know if it's a show.

[2006] I don't know if it's just part of meat eater, but I want to teach people how to hunt through video.

[2007] I want to do like a how -to thing, like first blood, write a passage, something, just like taking people on their first hunts, explaining the skills.

[2008] I think people would absolutely love that.

[2009] I think they'd be entertained.

[2010] Well, I think that was one of the more interesting aspects of the first episode that I did with you guys.

[2011] One of the things that I found interesting is like the first episode, boy, when I was about to shoot that deer, I was fucking tweaking.

[2012] My heart was pounding.

[2013] I was breathing.

[2014] I was trying to stay calm.

[2015] It was so nerve -wracking.

[2016] I had only shot a rifle maybe five times before that.

[2017] Like literally I shot Steve's rifle five times two days before that.

[2018] You know, and this animal's 200 yards away and I'm trying to stay calm.

[2019] The second deer was like an assassination.

[2020] There was no heartbeat, there was no weirdness, there was no, but I had shot 90 rounds the two days before and 20 rounds the day before of 300 wind mags.

[2021] It was just boom, boom, boom, I was so locked in on just shooting something.

[2022] See what's going to happen to you is what happens like to most hunters is you're going to do this for a while, right?

[2023] And you're going to be like, what's next?

[2024] And then you're going to go bow hunting.

[2025] I've got a bow.

[2026] It's a new world, man. Yeah, I'm sure.

[2027] It's insane.

[2028] It's crazy.

[2029] I just picked up one last week.

[2030] I got a bow tech experience.

[2031] I set up targets in my back yard.

[2032] It's fun to shoot, too.

[2033] Fuck yeah.

[2034] It's exciting.

[2035] This is the discipline of archery.

[2036] Yeah.

[2037] But I mean, it's like the most, when you're stalking animals, like, in being close.

[2038] I mean, it's the most predator prey primal thing you can do.

[2039] How much elk hunting do you do with bow and arrow?

[2040] Oh, I mean, that's pretty much.

[2041] That's your thing?

[2042] Well, I personally am a bow hunter.

[2043] I started like rifle hunting again.

[2044] And just because filming myself, bow hunting was near impossible in some situations.

[2045] And I still do it.

[2046] Like, it's stupid, but I still do it.

[2047] But, I mean, my thing is bow hunting.

[2048] And that's why, like, this new Apex Predator show, like, if I'm going to be hunting something, it will be with a bow, with my hands, or with a spear.

[2049] Pretty much.

[2050] Or with a gun and very specific.

[2051] If we're learning about, like, long -distance archer fish shit or something.

[2052] I mean, we could talk about something.

[2053] And you can even throw some in because some of these we haven't even, like, decided on but there's a fish called an archer fish right and this fish is a master of ballistics so like this would be one of the rare episodes where we use a rifle like we look at this archer fish and this thing will shoot a stream of water like six feet or more and knock these little bugs off and they are compensating for the drop of the water and the reflection of the yeah look this is crazy the skin of the earth reflection of everything.

[2054] They're like...

[2055] The spin of the earth.

[2056] They're like masters of ballistics.

[2057] And by the time they get to adult level, they're one -shot kills, most of them.

[2058] Look at this.

[2059] Yeah, it's amazing.

[2060] It's amazing.

[2061] They're spitting and knocking birds off of twigs.

[2062] And then they eat it.

[2063] Nature is a motherfucker, dude.

[2064] It's so weird.

[2065] That's why I'm so pumped about this Apex show is because I'm just...

[2066] I love nature, and I love what it can teach us, you know?

[2067] I look at it, like, human hunters are at the top of the food chain, like, but how did we get there?

[2068] You know, so this show, like this new show, the Apex Predator Show is not me being an Apex Predator.

[2069] It's my quest to see how we became an Apex Predator, you know?

[2070] So I'm going to like look at every bit of nature.

[2071] And in some way, we've adapted.

[2072] I mean, you look at like a simple moth camouflage itself.

[2073] And then look at all modern camouflage comes from the way that we saw Mothside.

[2074] Or, you know, I mean, There's, like, lions walk quietly.

[2075] And so we're thinking about doing this episode where I train hard my feet and then go in the Sonoran Desert and hunt barefoot like a mountain lion would.

[2076] What I'm most excited for is learning how a crocodile can stay still and, like, submerge ourselves underwater.

[2077] See, the thing is that I'm so jealous about Rami getting to do this that I have to do it along with them because otherwise I'm just too jealous about it.

[2078] You're going to get in the water as well?

[2079] Yeah, we're going to submerge underwater and then grab a pit.

[2080] pig.

[2081] Oh, my God.

[2082] You're going to try to grab a pig with your hands?

[2083] Yeah, just like live.

[2084] Take a bite of your finger, son.

[2085] Oh, my God.

[2086] Just from the waterhole, just like an alligator, crocodile one.

[2087] Wow.

[2088] Have you seen this video of this?

[2089] What the fuck?

[2090] There's this video of this jaguar swimming across and grabbing this Cayman.

[2091] Yeah, that's the most amazing.

[2092] I have seen that.

[2093] We need to do that episode.

[2094] Just like, bam.

[2095] I mean, that's beautiful, yeah.

[2096] Yeah, you better be careful.

[2097] You're not a jaguar.

[2098] that's that's the point though i mean you know it's like we we can look at nature and it's it's like one of these things it's like it can teach us so much and i i think it has in the past that we just don't know about it you know i mean you look at like how wolves hunt and then you look at these tribes that hunt very similarly and you know it's like they had to have learned it somehow you know and i think like looking at nature learning these things um it just makes it's like put us in the spot to where we are where we don't have predators But dragging a pig into the water seems fraught with peril.

[2099] Yeah, it does.

[2100] The idea of sneaking up on a pig in the water, they're fucking, they smell everything too, right?

[2101] That's where, I mean, that's where, like, alligators and crocodiles have the advantage because they move the, like, the pigs don't even know that they're there.

[2102] It's like a log, you know, and then they're grabbed by surprise.

[2103] Look at the cat.

[2104] And pulled in.

[2105] Boom.

[2106] cats are such evil fox they really are so when you shot a mountain line did you eat it?

[2107] Oh yeah yeah what does that taste like?

[2108] It's like pork really?

[2109] It's like the closest wild animal to pork even wild pork is in his porkiest mountain lion.

[2110] How much of it do you eat?

[2111] Do you eat the whole island?

[2112] Yeah yeah you can eat the whole thing.

[2113] The legs everything?

[2114] Yeah whatever the legs are darker meat.

[2115] Yeah the legs are darker meat but I was actually out checkering last year this weekend this guy was telling me that some dude makes like some chili concarnay in this national festival and really secretly uses mountain line meat and wins every time wow i ate mountain line once i had burgers a buddy brought me a couple packages and that same night i had a dream that i was getting eaten by a mountain man karma bitch wow that's a weird thing so if it tastes that good why don't more people hunt mountain lions?

[2116] It's not easy.

[2117] It's incredibly hard.

[2118] Yeah, you need...

[2119] It's the hardest thing to do?

[2120] Yeah.

[2121] Yeah.

[2122] It's specialized.

[2123] I mean, what's more elusive?

[2124] There's probably something more elusive, but in North America, you don't...

[2125] Nobody sees mountain lions.

[2126] I mean, rarely.

[2127] You know, naturally, you don't...

[2128] Yeah.

[2129] And if you do, it's like, it's a freaky moment.

[2130] Yeah.

[2131] It's a weird.

[2132] I mean, it is weird that a big cat that just runs around killing things with its face just lives amongst us.

[2133] Yeah, you know, like, in North America, we're pretty i've spent a lot of time in africa and like in north america the animal's disposition is fear of humans you know whereas like in africa there's so much competition that large predators are more aggressive um so you know like a mountain line would be so lethal but they just are they're afraid you know they don't they don't see humans normally as food unless it's like rare circumstances old mountain lion can't hunt anymore yeah desperate Exactly.

[2134] Or, you know, I mean, like, it's mostly, like, women and children that get attacked by mountain lions, you know?

[2135] I mean, it's just one of those things that they aren't that aggressive.

[2136] Even when they're, like, chased or whatever, they try to be reclusive and don't attack you.

[2137] Like, a wounded mountain lion isn't the first instinct to attack.

[2138] Which is, like, a wounded leopard's first instinct is attack, you know, which is completely different.

[2139] Yeah, fuck cats, dude.

[2140] That's all I have to say.

[2141] It's fucking.

[2142] cats.

[2143] The cats creep me out.

[2144] They really do.

[2145] They creep me out because they try to catch you from behind.

[2146] They're sneaking up on you.

[2147] Is this that one that they spotted in Hollywood?

[2148] This fucking cat, they've spotted him in the Hollywood Hills.

[2149] They got him on game cameras and shit.

[2150] That's a big fucking cat, too.

[2151] Look at that thing.

[2152] Is he collared?

[2153] Yeah, he's collared.

[2154] Yeah, but these are recent pictures that they've taken of him in Griffith Park, right?

[2155] Where the Hollywood sign is.

[2156] Fucking bottom blind.

[2157] Big one, too.

[2158] Big 15 At what point is he like, hmm, that hiker looks good.

[2159] Whenever he gets running out of rabbits, cats, rabbits, dogs, all that kind of shit.

[2160] Oh, yeah.

[2161] Yeah, it's an interesting thing when, you know, you have encroaching cities and, you know, the urban sprawl starts making its way into these territories and you start having to deal with the consequences of crossing the feeding grounds of these animals.

[2162] Yeah.

[2163] It gets weird, you know, with bears, it gets weird with cats.

[2164] Yeah, it's like one of those, it's one of those weird things that you deal with, because, you know, I've never, I mean, I kind of associate myself with, I mean, I sleep a lot on the ground or wherever.

[2165] And it's like in that situation, you know, you feel like you're in their world.

[2166] So it's like, it's like, oh, they're in our world.

[2167] You know, but really it's like, no, we just, we just like can't stay away.

[2168] You know, we just moved our little communities out there.

[2169] And we're putting this nice, fluffy, dinner out in front of them every night you know it's it's hard for them to say now yeah one of them got shot in santa monica a couple of years ago yeah i heard that 90 pound cat in someone's backyard really yeah and they found it in the backyard and they had they had to shoot it yeah fucking santa monica man that's that's uh i mean it had to walk through a lot of streets to get there that's not the outskirts the other thing too is what's it i mean it has to be eating pets or something because it's only there if it has food and it's how long is it going to survive i mean like you look around it's like what is there to eat here I mean like do homeless people I'm surprised like you know people sleeping out a night you know if there's a cat I don't know they probably smell so fucking bad the cat's like I'm not gonna eat this guy maybe a bear would eat him because bears eat human shit I think it's a lot of work for a mountain to eat a human I think that's why they don't do it really yeah a lot of work to catch us or to yeah I don't know I guess that's just an assumption I have that here's the thing those humans are the only predators that stand up right every animal on the planet knows the the human predator profile you know like um like when you're when you're stocking a deer or whatever trying to sneak up and like get real close like bow distance you don't stand up you crawl because sometimes they'll look at you crawling and it's not a threat but if you stand up and give like that profile they know your predator even like in africa you know if you see a line and you let it see your human file, they hightail it because they know that's not right.

[2170] That's, that's our predator, you know?

[2171] Well, I also think there's a study recently that they published a report about it in the Telegraph today, actually.

[2172] I put it on my Twitter page that memories can be passed down to later generations through genetic switches that allow the offspring to inherit the experience of their ancestors according to new research that may explain how phobias can develop.

[2173] So if you think about animals, I mean, every animal in North America's ancestors got killed by us.

[2174] Every fucking deer, every mountain lion, every bear, they see us, fuck that.

[2175] That switch goes off, that genetic switch, and they just peel out of it.

[2176] The same way, everyone's afraid of big crazy teeth, you know, even little kids that have never experienced monsters before.

[2177] Serpent snakes.

[2178] Yeah, spiders, all those, and they think that that might be the root of things like irrational ones like arachnophobia, affidia fear of spiders and snakes and heights you know the weird ones that like they might have been you know just a memory that's stuck in the DNA.

[2179] Yeah because that's always like you think about like the snakes that have certain colorations and animals know not to touch them then there's other animals that like are similar to those colorations and then don't get touched somewhere along the line everything needs to know that like that's poisonous.

[2180] Yeah no shit.

[2181] What is have you ever had a situation where you were in a place where you shot an animal and you were trying to get it out of there, but some predators were moving in and making a play on the animal, like wolves or anything along those lines?

[2182] Yeah, I had a client shoot an elk once with a bow, and it ran off, and it took us a while to find it, and when we came up to it, like a bear had claimed it, and so it was like a bear, and then...

[2183] What kind of bear?

[2184] It was just black bear.

[2185] It was a big black bear And we end up just scaring it off You know and it didn't really Didn't really do anything But most of the time Human scent is a pretty big deterrent Animals don't like the way we smell You know if you can get your scent around They're gone That's interesting Generally speaking And this bear this fall actually Attract us by scent But generally I get your wind at them And they'll go away Now when you go bow hunting Do you bring a gun or anything Just in case Uh, no, I don't.

[2186] And, uh, that's like my maybe, just like I were talking earlier, just like getting complacent.

[2187] I, I forego a lot of safety nets.

[2188] Just.

[2189] The travel light?

[2190] Yeah.

[2191] You know, I forego like a lot of things.

[2192] Like in a lot of trips, man, I won't even bring enough food.

[2193] Yeah, I saw that.

[2194] That was the next question I was going to ask you.

[2195] You try to just shoot things and eat them along the way.

[2196] Yeah.

[2197] Yeah.

[2198] Yeah.

[2199] I mean, like, it's kind of like one of those things for me. It's like part of the adventure, part of the trip.

[2200] And it's also like a personal experience.

[2201] I mean, there is one hunt.

[2202] I mean, you know, I, like, mention it.

[2203] Like, I don't say it was a solo hunter or whatever.

[2204] I'll mention it, but I don't play it up in the show because it's like, I don't know.

[2205] I mean, it's almost like too dramatic and playing things up that don't make any sense to most people.

[2206] So it's just my personal thing.

[2207] Like, there was one deer hunt where literally I was starving.

[2208] And I was going probably 3 ,000 vertical or more a day, lots of miles, over 12 ,000 feet in elevation.

[2209] I mean, my body was eating itself.

[2210] and it was really weird.

[2211] I mean, yeah, it's something weird to talk about, but, like, there was nothing left.

[2212] It was just, like, you had to go to the bathroom.

[2213] It was just, like, mucus coming out, you know?

[2214] Just, like, white, like, spit.

[2215] It would just be, like, spitting.

[2216] Like, no, just water, nothing.

[2217] Wow.

[2218] Absolutely nothing.

[2219] And, you know, you feel the ill effects of it.

[2220] But for me, it's like, okay, that's part of it, like, hunting, like, you're hungry.

[2221] And I think for Apex, we're going to do it.

[2222] I want to do a hunt where, because we hunted, each episode we're setting up like an experiment so there's a lot of hunt science involved a lot of science involved and uh so what i'm going to do is do this experiment where i like fast for three days and then do a blind before like i'm full i go into a room and then see how i can pick up sense you know like maybe have like three room five rooms one has like an animal scent another food scent two blank you know see if i can see it or i mean smell it and then um and then like starve myself for three days which really if like for hunger isn't that long and then um and then see if i can smell things i did an article a little while or probably two years ago and uh like as we get hungry our olfactor senses which are our first senses to develop our sense of smell is like our first one and as we get hungry we start noticing different things and there's like when you're hungry you're actually like doing more exploratory sniffing just like smelling the air because it's our first It's funny.

[2223] It's like, that's our first scent to finding food because we can find the invisible.

[2224] That totally makes sense.

[2225] And it also makes sense the same way sex feels better when you haven't got laid in a while.

[2226] You're like, oh, this is great.

[2227] But if you fucking twice a day, every day, you're like, all right, here we go again.

[2228] You know, like, I'm stuffed my face with another fucking cheeseburger.

[2229] Or I'm starving to death and I smell something amazing.

[2230] You know, someone's got a pot roast in the oven.

[2231] Oh, my God, I haven't eaten in days.

[2232] Holy shit, this smells good.

[2233] Yeah.

[2234] Probably do, that's one of the things I think that people enjoy about fasting.

[2235] that they don't really talk about.

[2236] It says, yeah, it gives your digestive system a break, but it also makes you really appreciate the food when you actually can finally eat.

[2237] The same thing with hunting or hiking all day, why food tastes so good.

[2238] It's just because you burn calories, you need calories, and your body is just like...

[2239] Yeah, that's a big one.

[2240] The burning calories, like, you want to stuff your fucking face when you get back.

[2241] You can't eat enough, generally.

[2242] And fats, you want fats.

[2243] That's the weird things.

[2244] You find your body craving fat, animal fat.

[2245] Yeah, your body wants what it needs, you know?

[2246] Yeah.

[2247] And I think that's going to be part of it, too, is I really think that that experiment will go well.

[2248] Like, we'll smell things that I wouldn't smell when I'm full.

[2249] And then also, then we'll go, I'll, like, starve myself and then go hunting.

[2250] Because a large population of predators actually don't hunt until they're starving.

[2251] Wow.

[2252] Yeah.

[2253] Like a wolf.

[2254] They'll feast or famine.

[2255] They'll feast until they're gorged.

[2256] Starved gorge.

[2257] It's like, it's a really weird deal, but, you know, they hunt better when they're hungry.

[2258] I know people can hunt wolves now.

[2259] Does anybody eat wolf?

[2260] Apparently, I mean, Steve was telling me, and I've read, like, some people say it's, like, there was a few explorers back in the day.

[2261] They were like, Wolf's the best thing.

[2262] I think it was Stephenson.

[2263] Stephenson, yeah, that's his favorite one.

[2264] Wolves the best, maybe because you fucking hate them because they're trying to kill you and you kill them, and then you get to eat them.

[2265] Well, my guess is he was pretty hungry when you hit that wolf.

[2266] Yeah, exactly.

[2267] It's pretty good.

[2268] Wow.

[2269] Wolf would be the best.

[2270] Imagine if it was unbelievably delicious?

[2271] I don't know.

[2272] It's not logical, though, because they're eating other meat generally.

[2273] But so are mountain lions.

[2274] You know, mountain lions are you?

[2275] Yeah, but you don't eat the mountain line legs.

[2276] You eat the loins mostly.

[2277] I don't think, you don't eat the legs?

[2278] You can't.

[2279] You can't.

[2280] I think, you know, you make it into, like, some kind of Mexican dish.

[2281] Everything tastes good, you know.

[2282] No, why wouldn't eat the legs?

[2283] Is it too tough?

[2284] Too muscular?

[2285] Is that what it is?

[2286] I think so.

[2287] I just gamey.

[2288] So the loin, meaning the muscle that covers the spine area, right?

[2289] The back strap.

[2290] The back strap.

[2291] That's the soft.

[2292] softest for some reason.

[2293] Yeah, it's the most tender.

[2294] It's the largest piece of meat without any connective tissues or ligaments, stuff like that, you know, which make it chewy or whatever.

[2295] And muscles get worked or like I think of a chicken.

[2296] It's like dark meat.

[2297] So you have a difference in your aerobic and anaerobic muscles.

[2298] And that, like the amount of blood and oxygen that's put in there and the amount of use changes like the flavor in meats.

[2299] That's why a lot of people like love beef.

[2300] but if you think about the way those animals are, they're, like, putting these lots where they don't move and their muscles aren't real.

[2301] I mean, it's like they try to make them all better tasting by not working them.

[2302] Yeah, isn't that fascinating?

[2303] Like, I think Kobe beef tastes gross.

[2304] It's terrible.

[2305] I don't like it.

[2306] You know, someone at a restaurant told me that I have to try it.

[2307] It's amazing.

[2308] They, you know, told me the whole process.

[2309] They massage this animal, and they give it beer and all this different stuff to make it.

[2310] I'm going, okay.

[2311] It was a greasy mess.

[2312] Yeah.

[2313] It was just like dasty, greasy disease.

[2314] It was like eating an alcoholic.

[2315] People always ask me, like, what's the weirdest thing you've ever eaten?

[2316] You know, and I've eaten like coyote.

[2317] Who knows what?

[2318] You know, I've eaten like pretty much most weird species on the planet raw, you know?

[2319] And I'm like thinking about it.

[2320] I'm like slim jims.

[2321] Yeah, who knows what that's made out of?

[2322] It's all dicks and assholes, right?

[2323] Cow dicks and cow assholes.

[2324] Yeah, slim jims are fucking, all that.

[2325] mystery weird shit we do we package things into tube forms what's strange thing yeah we always make it look like dicks you know it never looks like a frisbee you turn them into dicks is it easy to just roll it or what's the reason to get mystery meat and dick form all the time it's an old practice though people have been making sausages for hundreds of years right always like dicks though why when you make sausage you're like this is the most ridiculous thing I've ever done.

[2326] Do you, when you make venison sausage, do you add pork fat to it?

[2327] Sometimes.

[2328] Yeah, I think, like, if I, it's something I'm going to give out or whatever, I add pork fat because it gives it that extra consistency.

[2329] A lot of times on my ground meat, I don't add anything.

[2330] I just like it, how it is.

[2331] Yeah, this trip, last trip, we had meat sent to a processor, a butcher, and he turned it into sausage and a bunch of different things, and they added fat to it.

[2332] But this trip, we did ourselves, and I didn't have.

[2333] add anything to the ground venison and i just cook it with grass -fed butter and garlic salt yeah just cook it leave it fairly rare and it's unfucking believably delicious it's so good i cook up some kale and uh and then i i that's like my favorite new meal ground venison and kale it's fucking insanely good that plus tomatoes that's my like favorite meal of all time it's i can eat that twice a day every yeah especially if you grow your own i've been doing that lately too growing my own cauliflower broccoli tomatoes and my own ultimate goal is to be responsible for all my food, all my vegetables and all meat game meat.

[2334] Have you noticed how much more you care about that food, too?

[2335] It's like insane.

[2336] Like you just think about like, you take, like, when I take an elk steak out or whatever, I like take it out, I like treat it like a baby.

[2337] You know what I mean?

[2338] You like defrost it.

[2339] You like marinate it.

[2340] You like massage.

[2341] You know, it's like even with like a tomato you grow, you like pick it gently.

[2342] You like carry it inside and why.

[2343] You know, it's like the ones you get from the groceries or you just throw on the counter in a bag.

[2344] Like it doesn't mean shit.

[2345] Yeah, the meaning behind our food is definitely something that we've lost in our transition from hunter -gatherers to this weird sort of agricultural -based society.

[2346] And not even agriculture where you're connected to the agriculture.

[2347] We just go to a place, give them paper, and they give you the fruits of their labor.

[2348] It's weird.

[2349] Yeah, you put it really well, I think, this last time in Wisconsin, just about the weirdness we have here in this country about just meat in general and the consumption.

[2350] It's a consumption of it.

[2351] It's weird.

[2352] There's a disconnect that goes quite deep that, you know, we're looking at it.

[2353] People are looking at it.

[2354] I think it's being recognized, but it's pretty fucking.

[2355] Think about, like, the people that live a long time on this planet.

[2356] They're all people that eat food from where they're at.

[2357] You know what I mean?

[2358] There's just something to be said for people that eat things that are from where they are.

[2359] You know, it's like if you have deer in your backyard and things that you can grow around there, there's just something to be said for having that kind of diet.

[2360] You know, I think that it's like weird for humans to eat a orange from South America any time of the year, you know?

[2361] I don't know.

[2362] Well, I think it's, I would love to see some sort of a study on the nutritional aspects of wild game over beef and what they are.

[2363] I mean, I know you said that elk has very low cholesterol in comparison to even chicken.

[2364] Per gram.

[2365] Well, elk's even more so than venison, but, or deer, a lot of people call it venison or what.

[2366] whatever but um yeah the the amount of protein per gram is like double in uh in game meat as well really yeah so you get more protein less cholesterol less fat because think about it um wild animals store their fat on the outside of their muscle because it needs to be readily accessible so they burn it the quickest whereas like meat is not supposed to have fat inside of it it's not supposed to be marbled that's something that we've created it's something that we created by feeding them this high protein corn and everything and not letting a move.

[2367] So when you eat something where the fat's inside, that's completely unnatural.

[2368] I mean, you could get any animal marbled like that if you treat them the same way, but because game animals keep the fat on the outside, there's relatively zero fat inside the meat itself.

[2369] Because it just doesn't make sense because they would need to burn it and they can't access it as quickly.

[2370] So that's why, like, and then if you look at it, well, if it's not fat mixed in there, what is it?

[2371] Well, it's protein.

[2372] It's pure protein.

[2373] So for the same amount of steak that you have for beef in first wild game you're going to have more protein less cholesterol less fat do you ever worry that someday that because of the the negative attitudes about hunting and the sort of disconnect that we experience now as opposed to in the past just you know 100 years ago there's a massive disconnect between now and then do you ever worry that there's going to come a day where they'll stop hunting um yeah i mean of course you worry about that you know but you think about it And maybe I think that there will be a lot of resurgence of certain things when we kind of, people start saying, hey, this is really messed up.

[2374] This is really messed.

[2375] I mean, everything in our society changes at some point, you know, and for better or worse.

[2376] I mean, governments are always changing and the ideas behind things are always changing.

[2377] And you look at like our food.

[2378] And at some point, I mean, you're really starting to see it now where people are like, what exactly am I putting into my body?

[2379] You know, it's kind of like beef actually.

[2380] nobody ate beef everybody like the original americans when beef was around because they would they would drive the cattle from texas north before the rail lines and so beef was the gamiest meat on the planet nobody liked beef and it wasn't until the rail cars where they could ship them up and then put them in feedlots that people started liking beef over game meat so i think that and then people would be like well why do we actually like this this you know and if if people really understood what they're eating and you know like the benefits of other things i think that there's popularity in that but on on the flip side like as you've experienced hunting isn't one of those things like oh i'm just going to go out and go hunting you know i mean you need somebody to show you it's very it's like a hard thing to do and a lot of people don't realize that like uh you know you might hear this person like is against hunting like oh how hard is it to go out and kill something with a rifle you're like well to do it the way i do it like as a true predator out in the mountains hunting and stalking and and it's not that easy.

[2381] As you've seen, I mean, it could be, there are a lot of times you come back with nothing, you know?

[2382] Oh, no doubt.

[2383] And that's one of the things that I really appreciate about both meat eater and solo hunters is that you guys show unsuccessful hunts.

[2384] Yeah.

[2385] And, you know, and it's not like you're, like, all depressed, and it's like, look, you know, this is a part of it.

[2386] It's hunting.

[2387] It's not killing.

[2388] You know, it's not that.

[2389] It's not like you're going to the pen, finding a cow that you enjoy and shooting it in the head.

[2390] You're going out there into its world, and you may or may not be successful.

[2391] And there's a lot of factors there.

[2392] There are.

[2393] Those factors, the lack of success on occasional hunts make the successful hunts feel even better.

[2394] Yep.

[2395] What a better way to end it.

[2396] Perfect.

[2397] So the show is called Apex Predator.

[2398] You guys are in the middle of negotiation, and you'll keep us updated on what it is.

[2399] For sure.

[2400] Let us know who picks it up or what winds up happening.

[2401] We'll promote the fuck out of that.

[2402] Awesome.

[2403] Daniel Doty on Twitter.

[2404] Yeah.

[2405] Right.

[2406] And do you have a Twitter?

[2407] Apparently, I do.

[2408] Have you ever used it?

[2409] I will now.

[2410] At Remy Warren.

[2411] At R -E -W -A -R -E -N.

[2412] Okay.

[2413] R -E -M -I -W -A -R -E -N.

[2414] And, of course, Meat -Eater TV is the Meat -Eater Twitter.

[2415] Steve Rinella will be here with us on Friday, and we're going to talk some more with him about probably a lot of same subjects, and we're also going to go hunting.

[2416] Steve and I are going out this weekend.

[2417] So thank you.

[2418] Thank you to everybody tuning in.

[2419] thanks to all our sponsors.

[2420] Dr. Rick Strassman, unfortunately, had to cancel.

[2421] We'll try to get him back again.

[2422] He's in the middle of publishing a book, though.

[2423] So this week, you won't be on.

[2424] But we got a lot of people on this week.

[2425] It should be a lot of fun, a lot of people, including Steve Renella.

[2426] Domarer is going to be on tomorrow.

[2427] Brian Denning.

[2428] We've got a lot of people coming on.

[2429] Lots of fun, ladies and gentlemen.

[2430] So thank you.

[2431] Thanks for everybody that came out to Phoenix this weekend.

[2432] Tom Schur and I had a great fucking time.

[2433] It was a lot of fun.

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[2457] All right, we will see you tomorrow, two podcasts tomorrow.

[2458] One of them will be in the A, actually noon with Dom Irera and the other one with Brian Dunning.

[2459] and that is at 3 p .m. He is a skeptic and a very intelligent guy.

[2460] We should have a lot of fun on that one.

[2461] Then Rinell is on Friday.

[2462] All right, until then, we'll see you.

[2463] Big kiss.

[2464] M -hmm.