#1455 - Lex Fridman

[0] Hello, Lex.

[1] You might be wondering why, what I'm wearing on my face.

[2] I'm not wondering.

[3] No?

[4] No. It's coronavirus time.

[5] Everybody out there's wearing a mask, so I'm assuming that's what you're wearing on your face.

[6] Yeah, so this is a homemade mask.

[7] It takes 30 seconds to make.

[8] 30 seconds.

[9] Did you time yourself?

[10] I don't know.

[11] If you have a bra, can you, like, cut a cup and, like, strap tied on?

[12] That would work, right?

[13] But there's no, yes, probably, but as far as I'm aware, there's no scientific study of, how effective bras are at filtering.

[14] How effective is that thing?

[15] So there is, I'm glad you asked you.

[16] So I'm part of this, and I'll take this off in a few minutes.

[17] I just want to, one, I want to talk about some of the science, and two, I want to remove some of the stigma that's around masks.

[18] So I'm part of this group of scientists that have put together a survey paper showing that masks work.

[19] and it started as a movement called masks for all hashtag in the Czech Republic that essentially one of the critical components of stopping the spread of coronavirus is everybody has to wear masks and the science is twofold so I mean I need to break this apart but you're going to take the mask off eventually right yeah so let's just take it off now so I can hear you because there's an audio it's you can't hear that so much better oh yeah nice so it's like taking a condom off the before and after so you probably shouldn't be wearing a mask when you're doing podcasts definitely not but everywhere else yes so when you're going out to the grocery store you should wear a mask everywhere everywhere and that's okay so some some questions do homemade masks work so there's a currently a shortage of n95 respirator masks which should be exclusively used as PPE personal protective equipment by health care workers.

[20] Okay, there's also a shortage of surgical masks, which are these non -volent fabric masks that work very well for the thing I'm talking about, but because there's a shortage of them, we should not be buying them and should be saving them for health care workers.

[21] And then the open question was whether homemade masks, like the one I just described, work to stop as a filtration mechanism.

[22] This is the confusing thing for the individual -centric society that we live in.

[23] Masks are the most, what are they actually effective for?

[24] What they're effective for is to prevent me if I'm infected, asymptomatic, from spreading the infection to you.

[25] So that's where the movement of masks for all started, which is your mask protects me, my mask protects you.

[26] And the idea there is not, I'm not protecting, I'm not creating a wall from the rest of society.

[27] I am contributing to the sort of the bigger aggregate picture of it by not allowing the infection to spread.

[28] So masks allow you to reduce that transmission rate to one to below one.

[29] So allowing you to decrease in transmission rate, while also long people to be in public.

[30] How much have you been studying this disease and the potential remedies and all the different things around it?

[31] A lot.

[32] A lot, yeah.

[33] What is your thoughts on hydroxychloroquine and zinc and Z -Pax?

[34] This is something that's been thought of as a potential remedy.

[35] Yeah, as a potential remedy.

[36] So on that side, I haven't studied.

[37] the actual so there's nothing clearly published yet the biggest problem so yeah when I say I know a lot what I and others have been doing is reading a lot of papers that are coming out in the hundreds every single day so people doing really strong studies across the board this is pretty unprecedented right where something a new disease comes out and everyone's scrambling to try to figure out what if anything can help it yeah there's a lot of aspects here that are unprecedented the scientific community has stepped up in a way that I've never seen.

[38] I couldn't imagine it was possible to do.

[39] Like everybody stop what they're doing and from whatever walks of life.

[40] So artificial intelligence community is really working on a lot of aspects of this, which I can talk about.

[41] Every it, the virologists bioinformatics folks, so everybody's working on this, looking at different angles and obviously people who are developing vaccines and any viral drugs are working on this.

[42] The thing is, to your question, we're all waiting for actual studies.

[43] So you can't really answer it.

[44] You can't say something that's promising or not.

[45] So what's happening now is there's incredible candidates for vaccines, for antiviral drugs.

[46] But in order to say anything at all, there has to be at least a little sign, a little signal that there is that this is something that can work for this particular.

[47] So one of the things is, if you look the virology of it, just the protein structure of a corona COVID -19 virus.

[48] There's a lot of elements to it that are different from even its other family member of SARS within the coronavirus family.

[49] So it's a totally open question, whether things that, from masks, what kind of things work for coronavirus versus SARS versus influenza versus rhinovirus, which is behind the common flu, and then what works on the coronavirus?

[50] So that's true for masks.

[51] That's true for drugs that's true for epidemiological models and so on.

[52] So there's a lot of uncertainty here and you have to actually do the test.

[53] On the mask side, I'm really paying attention.

[54] There's a guy named Jeremy Howard who brought a lot of us together from all kinds of expertise and we're putting together this giant paper showing that masks are effective and the same thing is happening in other domains.

[55] But masks, the powerful thing about masks, is it's something we can do that us individuals right now a lot of our us individuals are stuck trapped in our homes unable to do anything your only task is to remain to practice physical distancing social distancing to maintain a health immune system to uh maintain a health immune system seems to me to be the most important thing because there's so many people that are asymptomatic we don't know why whether it's genetic we don't know what what is causing some people to have virtually no symptoms whatsoever but I would think that maintaining a healthy immune system eating healthy foods in particular supplementing with vitamins but for me particularly I've ramped up my vitamin C in a big way vitamin D 4 ,000 I use a day exercise and sauna if you have access to a sauna and I know most people don't but if you don't have access to a sauna and you do have a bathtub take yourself a hot bath, you know, what you're looking for is heat shock proteins.

[56] One of the things that happens when you have a flu or when you have a fever, right?

[57] Your body is, your body, when it's, when your body has a fever, one of the things it's trying to do is trying to kill that virus.

[58] It's trying to overheat it.

[59] And that production of those heat shock proteins is very important.

[60] There was a study written on flus and viruses and regular sauna use, and it showed a significant decrease in infection with regular sauna use.

[61] So it might not help you if you have it now, but it will help you to keep a strong and healthy immune system.

[62] Heat and cold, those two things, shocking yourself with cold baths and shocking yourself with hot baths if you don't have access to a sauna.

[63] If you do have access to a sauna, I would recommend ice baths and sauna.

[64] It's just, it's very, very important for your immune system.

[65] It's a way that you're giving yourself a drug that your body makes, really.

[66] Yeah, I read a couple of studies, actually, on the use of, I don't know about sauna, but heat, like you said, hot water and then switching to cold for increasing the...

[67] Cidicines?

[68] No, the efficacy of natural killer.

[69] I think they'll call NK, the natural killer immune cells that are a...

[70] central for when, so there's this moment when you get the disease and you progress, a coronavirus, you progress from just being, having mild symptoms, to having to go to the hospital, to having to then go into a critical condition.

[71] So that transition, the natural killer cells are essential for that.

[72] And the variation from heat to cold and water helps.

[73] How strange is that?

[74] That's one of the strangest aspects of this disease that people seem to have mild symptoms and then almost overnight it turns on them yeah it's uh and so strange and it depends on the you know and we don't understand for some people that doesn't happen for some people it does yeah i mean it's going to be a long time before they sort this out and the real problem with that is in the meantime all these fucking nut jobs that want to blame this on 5g or you know or whatever fill in the blank with whatever crazy conspiracy theory people have.

[75] One that is interesting is that Wuhan apparently had some sort of bio -weapons lab there.

[76] That's interesting to me, because if that's the case, it's not outside of the realm of possibility that something could be accidentally released or purposefully released.

[77] Like if they do have a weapons lab there, I mean, why do they make weapons labs?

[78] Why is anyone making bio weapons?

[79] You're making bio weapons to the idea is you're making a disease that you can inflict on the enemy, right?

[80] Well, if you have a disease that can be inflicted on the enemy, that's just human beings.

[81] If that stuff gets out, it would be the biggest shock of all time if it turns out that this was actually a man -made disease that was leaked from a lab.

[82] I'm not saying it was.

[83] again, I'm a moron.

[84] I'm not the guy to come to when it comes to bio -weapons or viruses or any of these things, but I'm just speculating as a human being that if there is a bio -weapons lab in Wuhan, Google that.

[85] What does it say?

[86] No. I mean, I've heard that a few times, too.

[87] When I googled Bio -Weapon Lab in Wuhan...

[88] Crenshaw was talking about it yesterday.

[89] It comes up, it says experts, no, it is not a bioweapon, no coronavirus is not bioengineered.

[90] How did the outbreak start?

[91] It did not come from that.

[92] How do they know?

[93] Right.

[94] So first of all, bioengineering, let's break that apart, because it's a fascinating topic.

[95] I mean, one of the things that coronavirus is making us realize is, holy crap, there's things out there that can kill us on a scale that we've never before imagined.

[96] And nothing like that, hopefully, it will be happening here, but this is the dress rehearsal, right?

[97] Right.

[98] If it was something like, something that has like Spanish flu or that kind of potential for death.

[99] Yeah, so Spanish flu is influenza.

[100] I don't think we've seen the worst of influenza yet.

[101] No, I don't think so either.

[102] That was the scariest thing about talking to the guys at the CDC when Duncan Trussle and ideas showed down there.

[103] They were saying, we're not worried about some man -made stuff.

[104] We're worried about natural stuff.

[105] Natural viruses that mutate and jump from animals to humans like they believe this COVID -19 is.

[106] They're like, that's the scariest thing.

[107] And you can't stop it and it happens all the time.

[108] Yeah, if viruses weren't so terrible.

[109] that would almost be beautiful the the so so what is a virus it's a some genetic code RNA DNA wrapped in some protein so it's a it's a piece of computer code that goes into a human body or any kind of living organism and has them run that code in order to print stuff and it's able to mutate so So there's millions of viruses out there.

[110] Most of them infecting living organisms that are not human.

[111] And they're able to spread in these insane ways, in fact, infecting billions of organisms.

[112] I mean, that as a, in terms of a weapon, in terms of a natural pandemic, is terrifying.

[113] Yeah.

[114] Because they can, you know, a lot of people are worried about what's happening now with the coronavirus.

[115] The deadliest part of the Spanish flu was the second wave.

[116] when there was this was the second wave connected to the first world war two sorry the first world war is there was a mutation which made it a lot deadlier so a single mutation that then uh begins to propagate through the through society can can completely change the way we experienced this virus and it was particularly deadly because it was really devastating to young healthy people with strong immune systems it was devastating to everybody which is surprising Usually it's compromised immune system is what the virus is devastating too.

[117] Well, this one's weird in that it's so rare that it affects children.

[118] It's very strange that this virus has a small impact on children.

[119] You know, but God damn it, there was a story that I saw a video about this article that was written that was talking about a one -day -old baby that died from coronavirus, but when you go into the actual story itself, the doctor who was furious about this was reading this paper was saying that the article rather he was saying the baby was 22 weeks premature so like that's probably would kill the baby and that is so premature and he was like the idea that someone is using clickbait and and fear mongering at that scale during this crazy time when people are starving for information and terrified and running around trying to find out and especially people with newborns to read that oh my god I kill a newborn And then you go and realize, like, no, it's a complication.

[120] And we don't know, the baby tested positive for coronavirus, but it's also 22 weeks early.

[121] I mean, if that's the first baby that's dying from this, like we're very, very fortunate that it doesn't attack young people.

[122] It doesn't attack babies.

[123] Yeah, and that's a source of terror for people.

[124] So I've interacted with folks who have families.

[125] I mean, that seems to be one of the biggest things that people are afraid of.

[126] Well, what's bad for the flu?

[127] Well, what's bad for the flu?

[128] Children.

[129] Yes.

[130] It's devastating for children.

[131] Yeah, and to think, so both sides of it.

[132] One, children getting sick and two, parents getting sick and thereby not being able to take care of their children.

[133] Yes, good point.

[134] Yeah, so that's, and that can spread, that's, we're so sensitive now in terms of just on the verge of giving into the fear at a mass scale.

[135] And that's where information and sort of inspiring words and the silly old word love is important, like community and compassion and so on to sort of fight that fear.

[136] The silly old word love?

[137] Silly old word?

[138] Is it a silly old word?

[139] You're so Russian.

[140] It's silly.

[141] Russian John Wick says silly old word love.

[142] Yeah.

[143] There you go.

[144] It's click big title for the Joe Rogan experience.

[145] No, I just mean that there is a danger here of people beginning to panic when the economic impact hits.

[146] So there's 13 % unemployment, I believe, in the United States.

[147] So the Great Depression was 23%.

[148] So we have something like that.

[149] We're starting to creep towards that number.

[150] So that's 16 million people out of a job currently.

[151] Well, I don't think we have any idea.

[152] When the economics right now, we're in limbo.

[153] We really are in limbo because how many businesses are going to close because of this?

[154] How many people don't know that they're unemployed but are?

[155] How many businesses are barely hanging on and they might not make it to the end of the year?

[156] And if the economy takes a downturn because of all these people out of job, how many businesses that were barely hanging on before and they're still open now, we're going to be gone in a couple of weeks?

[157] We really don't know.

[158] I mean, how long do you think it's going to take before?

[159] businesses are up and running again.

[160] I know Wuhan is back up in business again, but there's a lot of criticism about that, and they're also saying they're seeing new cases.

[161] I think the question, I think it can be sooner than we think if we do the following things.

[162] So one, I'd hate to linger on this, and I'd love to talk to you about.

[163] You don't talk about masks again?

[164] Well, it's funny, but I know for a fact you're going to make fun of me, just like I'll make fun of you right back, for loving fanny packs.

[165] But just like fanny packs are exceptionally functional to carry on the things you need, masks will be, masks are required to slow the spread of this infection.

[166] Listen, I'm not an anti -mask person.

[167] And like one of the things you have to do is you have to start getting governors, so politicians to wear them, our president, Trump, to wear them.

[168] Well, this is the Boris Johnson question, right?

[169] Because that guy, not only was he not wearing masks, but you're shaking hands.

[170] and he was talking about it pretty openly, and now he's in intensive care.

[171] If he dies, that will be the biggest wake -up call for everyone.

[172] Yeah.

[173] I mean, I hope he doesn't die, but God damn, people are so mean over there.

[174] I don't know his policies.

[175] I don't know, I haven't been to England in a long time.

[176] I don't know how they feel about him, but fuck people.

[177] Some people hate him.

[178] Oh, like saying things like they would.

[179] They're hoping he dies.

[180] They hope he suffers and dies.

[181] I've read Twitter, Andrew Doyle.

[182] Andrew Boyle, rather, the guy who wrote Woke, Titiana McGrath, yeah, his, he, but it was actually his own personal account.

[183] He published some of the tweets that people have written about, we don't have to put it up there.

[184] I don't want to up these people's signal, but it's just so heartless.

[185] So, yeah, that's masks, but testing, really the big one is, there's three things.

[186] masks besides like washing hands and social distancing all that stuff masks testing and contact tracing so contact tracing contact so this is great let's talk about this first of all I'm going to keep I would we get it masks we don't get it we don't get it have you been wearing masks you know how weird it is like societally for us it's a weird step to take I don't know what it's like an open question what does it take to do that Yeah.

[187] No, it's weird.

[188] It's really weird.

[189] So you can't see the emotional expression of the people.

[190] You can't, like, there's a strange effect to it.

[191] And then the other effect is, as an individualistic society, you're wearing the mask not to protect yourself, but to protect others.

[192] And that's a weird thing for us to do.

[193] I don't think people are thinking that.

[194] I think they think they're protecting themselves.

[195] Well, you can sort of delude them or you can tell them the truth that the, that this, I mean, there's a nice positive aspect to it.

[196] is me wearing a mask says, I care about not getting you sick.

[197] Yes.

[198] That's a really powerful social signal for when you're hanging out with people.

[199] I think there's so much ignorance going on, though.

[200] I don't think people wear, there's a large percentage of people.

[201] This is my assumption, that are wearing that mask that are not wearing it because they think they're going to protect other people.

[202] They're worried about getting it.

[203] Yeah.

[204] And I don't think, I mean, this is what the WHO and the CDC, this is where I hate what they're doing.

[205] which is sort of there's truth and that there is ideas of how the truth will be misinterpreted by the public.

[206] And so you shouldn't tell people the truth.

[207] So there's a kind of sense, like the WHO and CDC have said that masks don't work, for example.

[208] Or they said that we shouldn't be wearing masks.

[209] We should save them for the health care workers.

[210] Well, we have to be honest about what the timeline, the WHO, what they've said.

[211] They're wrong about so much of it.

[212] They were initially saying that you couldn't transfer it from person to person.

[213] I mean, this was just at the beginning of the year.

[214] I mean, Dan Crenshaw went over the timeline of all the things that were wrong about what the World Health Organization said on the podcast yesterday.

[215] It's terrifying stuff.

[216] And, you know, and obviously newspapers were going off of that information, and they were printing misleading stuff as well.

[217] And the president didn't know.

[218] No one knows.

[219] The whole thing is very weird.

[220] If you're going based on what they were saying, it didn't look like it was going to be nearly as bad as it is.

[221] And then everyone has had to make adjustments.

[222] I'm actually, the one, look, I'm so, I'm so freaked out about the loss of life and the loss of jobs and how people are getting, it's really weird.

[223] Everything about it is weird.

[224] It's weird in our lifetime to be a part of something that's just affecting the entire world like this.

[225] But I've gotten a lot of messages from friends that are quarantined with their families and, like, we've never been closer.

[226] and that we realize that we're in this together because we realize that you know during these crazy times you realize what is important love that silly little word you were talking about love and community and friendship like my neighbors everyone's so nice everyone's waving now and everyone's like saying hi and you know talking from over the side of the yard and how's everything you guys all right need anything we're right here there's a lot of this like comfort and warmth that you know I think I experienced a little bit of that post 9 -11 where People get shocked.

[227] They get shook up, and then they realize what matters, you know.

[228] Yeah, that's one of the things I don't like about masks is it feels like you're protecting yourself from, like you're removing yourself from the community.

[229] There's that look.

[230] Like, get away from me, dirty people.

[231] Yeah, get away from me. So the germaphobe kind of idea, that's not what they are supposed to represent, but that's, I'm sitting here on the signs that says we have to all wear them.

[232] And then I'm thinking, like, how is that going to change interactions?

[233] It's I don't know what to do with that You're an MMA fan What do you think about the UFC's decision To have fights next weekend On an island I don't know we don't know where it is I'm trying to figure out what I'm doing If I'm going to it or not I don't know where it is Yeah I don't know where it is I don't even know if it's in America I literally right now As of right now I don't know shit I have no information Okay so first of off It's an island like I saw like it's it's it's literally the storyline of enter the dragon i mean this is enter the dragon this is like i don't know who the bruce lee is or the chuck norris should i get a chinese kung fu outfit and do commentary with a kung fu outfit on 100 would that be culturally appropriating at this no you know what i'll do i wear one of them brusley track suits that wouldn't be culturally appropriating well they'd just be fandom in a time of coronavirus uh you get a cultural appropriation pass I heard.

[234] Yeah, to me, I think that's great because if it's message correctly to show that we are while maintaining sort of social distancing all those kinds of things, we're trying to fight to bring our society back.

[235] Okay, let me pause it right there.

[236] There's no social distancing in a fucking cage fight.

[237] Yeah.

[238] Okay, they're on top of each other, sweating each other's mouths.

[239] There's not going to be, there's going to be, if.

[240] Tony Ferguson's fighting, there's going to be blood, for sure.

[241] Everybody fights Tony Ferguson, looks like they fell off a train.

[242] So there's going to be blood.

[243] The physical distancing you want to avoid is large crowds.

[244] Right.

[245] But one -on -one.

[246] One -on -one.

[247] So what if everybody gets tested?

[248] Yeah, exactly.

[249] You think that's accessible?

[250] How accessible are tests right now?

[251] So in America, it's 0 .7 % of the population have been tested.

[252] that in terms of testing everybody that's not accessible but in terms of testing special like events special events yeah so that's possible totally accessible what do you think they would do if like there's a lot of good fights in this car by the way uh jarzino rosenstrike is fighting front is frightening in gano yeah i mean come on ngano and rosent strike that is that is a fucking crazy fight what if one of those guys test positive what if you know would have Justin Gagey test positive.

[253] The guy was supposed to be fighting first.

[254] Do you go ahead or not?

[255] Obviously, you have to ask the opponent if they want to.

[256] Yeah.

[257] I'm a little bit Russian.

[258] I would go ahead.

[259] I'll go ahead and I don't know.

[260] So my main concern is how will the general public interpret it?

[261] Because you want to do everything you do now should be done in a way that, one, is positive, like inspires us towards the community, and two, gets us to do the right thing scientifically.

[262] I don't know if a COVID -infected person fighting would inspire others to say, oh, well, it's okay, if they're doing it, it's okay for me. Well, I don't think they would allow it.

[263] I have a feeling that if someone did test positive, they would kick them off the card.

[264] Yeah, that's probably the right thing.

[265] I shouldn't say kick them off the card.

[266] I should say remove them from the card.

[267] I take it back.

[268] That's probably the right thing they'd do.

[269] I would imagine it has to be the right thing to do.

[270] And then you would also have to quarantine the people that worked with him in training camp and you'd have to test everybody.

[271] Yeah, that's, by the way, what contact tracing is.

[272] Once you find somebody who's...

[273] And there's a technology for...

[274] I mean, that's a really interesting infrastructure there.

[275] But I still...

[276] I love the idea that they're pushing forward and doing the fights.

[277] There's a lot of people that are very upset with it.

[278] It's very...

[279] It's very controversial.

[280] The whole thing's controversial.

[281] Why do you think they're upset?

[282] Because they don't want anybody to do anything out of the norm of social distancing and of quarantining and of, you know, what we're on lockdown right now.

[283] And for them, look, even Nevada, which relies almost entirely on casino money, I mean, Vegas at least, Vegas relies almost entirely on casino money, right?

[284] All the other businesses are so supported by the casinos.

[285] those casinos are all shut the fuck down cannot have the fights in Vegas but those are large crowds and physical spaces I think no I understand that we're going to be this is going to be a long this is not going to be a month this is not going to be two months how many months do you think this is going to be I I think before we're back to normal I think it will be a year and in terms of when it's going to reopen the economy I think it's summer, possibly late summer.

[286] Unless there's some sort of an effective remedy that we know for sure.

[287] Definitely, definitely.

[288] Any viral drugs or vaccine?

[289] Well, vaccine is going to take a long time.

[290] There is some really impressive work on vaccines.

[291] They're accelerating the crap.

[292] It's supposed to take 10, 15 years for vaccine.

[293] And then they're saying 18 months, obviously.

[294] But that's still a long time.

[295] That's a really long time.

[296] But they're, I mean, they're doing some impressive fast testing on vaccines.

[297] Obviously, mass -scale vaccines is something going to be exceptionally careful.

[298] I wonder what they're going to do with the U .S. election.

[299] Mail in.

[300] Oh, no, no, no. I have an idea.

[301] We'll just postpone it until...

[302] I'm just kidding.

[303] Postpontent is not a bad idea.

[304] No, it's a terrible idea.

[305] Oh, one thing I do have to say, because I can't believe this is still going on.

[306] Because there's a big dust up recently because I said that I wouldn't vote for Biden, that I'd vote for Trump.

[307] front before I voted for Biden.

[308] I just want people to know.

[309] First of all, folks, I'm barely paying attention, okay?

[310] If you're getting your political advice for me, I'm a moron, okay?

[311] I am a comedian slash cage fighting commentator.

[312] You know how you have friends that don't know much about fighting, and they'll say something like, I think Bruce Lee could kick John Jones' ass.

[313] Yeah, that's me with politics, okay?

[314] Don't listen to me for political advice.

[315] You want to people that are actually paying attention.

[316] Listen to guys who, that's their living.

[317] Guys like Kyle Kalinsky, listen to Jimmy Dorr.

[318] He does a fantastic job breaking down politics.

[319] He understands it, right?

[320] Listen to the people that, the Hill.

[321] Watch that show.

[322] It's fantastic.

[323] It's on YouTube.

[324] There's a lot of people.

[325] David Pacman, he understands politics.

[326] I'm not that guy, okay?

[327] But what I am saying is, I don't want to vote for someone that has a mental problem.

[328] He's got dementia.

[329] That's all I'm saying My parents called me My mom's like I heard you're a Trump supporter now I'm like I would never vote for a person Who obviously has dementia I said I would vote for Trump Before I'd vote for Biden That's what that means You know And there's been Fucking dozens of articles written about this I'm like Jesus Christ Trump tweeted He tweeted that He tweeted a clip of you Saying that you're Trump supporter No he didn't Yeah When did this happen Like shortly after Get the fuck out of here I'm pretty sure.

[330] Retweet or tweeted.

[331] I'm not sure.

[332] That's hilarious.

[333] I'm, uh...

[334] Could have been one of those faky Donald Trump accounts.

[335] No, I'm pretty sure.

[336] Maybe was Trump Jr.?

[337] Was it Donald Jr.?

[338] I have a programmatic way of following Twitter and I follow Trump.

[339] Okay, either way.

[340] I just want everybody to know.

[341] This is all I'm saying is I think the Democrats are making a horrible mistake by putting in a...

[342] He just had another huge stumble yesterday.

[343] The man is ill. I wish him no ill will.

[344] I'm not a Biden hater.

[345] What do you think?

[346] I just think it's wrong to take a guy that you clearly can tell is struggling.

[347] He's an older guy who's got some sort of a mental breakdown issue.

[348] He's got what appears to be, according to some experts who have analyzed what he's doing, it's some form of dementia.

[349] He has a problem maintaining conversations.

[350] That's all I'm saying.

[351] Yeah, that's all I'm saying, folks.

[352] Just, and also, I'm a fucking comedian slash cage fighting commentator.

[353] You don't need to come to me for that.

[354] What is this?

[355] Donald J. Trump retweeted.

[356] He he he, he, he.

[357] With an American flag in the background.

[358] Beautiful hair of Eric Weinstein.

[359] This is what, again, this is what I said.

[360] This is what I said.

[361] You shouldn't have that guy.

[362] I would vote for any of the other ones, any of them.

[363] Bring them back.

[364] Amy Klobuchar, bring her back.

[365] I'd vote for her before I'd vote for Biden.

[366] I'd vote for Buttigieg.

[367] I'd for sure vote for Tulsi.

[368] I love Tulsi Gabbard.

[369] I'd for sure vote for Bernie.

[370] That's all I'm saying, folks, is you shouldn't have someone who's clearly got something really wrong and just prop them up and weekend at Bernie style and fucking bring them up to the podium.

[371] It's crazy.

[372] Bring back Andrew Yang.

[373] Fuck yeah.

[374] Do you actually know...

[375] I love Andrea.

[376] I was trying to figure out if it's possible to bring back people at this state because so much has changed COVID changed everything right?

[377] Yes.

[378] You should be able to run stuff back.

[379] Well, what they should be able to do is someone should I don't know, I think they're just hoping and praying that Biden can hang in there long enough and people's hatred for Trump will get it to the finish line and that they could win and they can keep him from having these conversations where he stumbles a lot but it's not fair to him as a human being.

[380] It's not it's not fair to us that this is their only choice they're given us.

[381] I mean, there are so many people that were involved in those debates.

[382] Kamala Harris, bring her back, bring them all back, bring any of them back.

[383] They would be a way better spokesperson for the Democratic Party.

[384] This is just a terrible idea.

[385] That's all I'm saying.

[386] That's all I did say.

[387] But it's like I just can't believe that someone like me has any impact at all in people's political choices.

[388] It doesn't make any sense.

[389] Don't do that.

[390] Rely on people that are paying attention.

[391] Rely on people where that's their job.

[392] Let me hear the new one.

[393] Let's hear the new one.

[394] We cannot let this.

[395] We've never allowed any crisis from the Civil War straight through to that pandemic is 17, all the way around 16.

[396] We have never, never let our democracy second fiddle way that we can both have a democracy and elections and at the same time correct the public health.

[397] It's the case when we can't...

[398] Well, that's not too bad.

[399] He's just kind of stumbling for his words.

[400] There's been some real bad ones.

[401] But, you know, you got to think he's probably medicated.

[402] They're probably juicing him up to get him to that state of health anyway.

[403] Like, these people are not stupid.

[404] These people that are involved in running his campaign, they're probably giving him IV vitamin drips and doing everything they can to try to get him as healthy as possible.

[405] To bring him to that state.

[406] It's just not good.

[407] It's not fair.

[408] It's not fair for us.

[409] It's not fair for him.

[410] So to try to play, because I kind of agree with it.

[411] It's so, I cringe every time.

[412] It's sad.

[413] But I was, I think, what was it, 2016 when Hillary Clinton ran?

[414] I was, I liked Biden until I hear him talk.

[415] There's something there that he's just not good at it.

[416] We keep seeing things like this, just a little bit off.

[417] And to me, the question is, so I, obviously, I'm awkward at speaking.

[418] Yeah, but you also speak.

[419] Russian.

[420] No, I think that there's a brain thing there.

[421] Well, you might be too smart for us for regular conversation.

[422] That's a very nice way of putting it.

[423] But that, and he used to stutter.

[424] So one, do we need our presidential candidates to be eloquent?

[425] Is, to me, an open question.

[426] That's a good point.

[427] Because he might just be, like, I would vote for Biden if he just never talked.

[428] so back in the you know especially in 2016 and so on just every time because he's like he's kind of like a blue collar like he has a story with a son a vet dying i mean there's so much depth to him as a human being to his story he uh obviously as you've mentioned he's done quite a few shady things like lying and um and plagiarizing speeches and all that was back in 88 when he was running for president yeah I mean but in terms of his like long track record of just being as part of the system whatever the whatever you think about the system he just knows like at a time like this when you need government to work well no matter who you are yeah government needs to work well now so you have to ask yourself who is the person who will make government work well right I don't know if it's him you know I don't know I don't know idea to have one person have the kind of power that a president has.

[429] I mean, just imagine you're Donald Trump, right?

[430] You're not just responsible for dealing with international relations with North Korea.

[431] You're also responsible for the environment.

[432] You're also responsible for this COVID -19 outbreak.

[433] You're also responsible.

[434] I mean, you can keep going.

[435] It's crazy to think that one person should have responsibility for all the things that happen.

[436] to the United States of America.

[437] It's nuts.

[438] Yeah, it's totally crazy.

[439] But I think they don't have to be responsible.

[440] So to me, the best for president is to inspire the entire population, just to be a sort of talking head that inspires the world and the United States.

[441] And two hires the best people to take care of each of those things.

[442] Yeah.

[443] So attract, so inspire the best in the world to come work for him, whether that's military, whether that's the environment on the science side.

[444] And that's how you, to me, that's how you should elect the president, who inspires the best people in the world.

[445] I think you're right.

[446] Yeah.

[447] I just think that it's an impossible task for an individual.

[448] And I don't think, I think we should rethink it.

[449] But good luck with that.

[450] I mean, the crazy thing about the United States is really, I mean, I had a bit about it, that the United States was founded in 1776.

[451] People lived to be 100.

[452] That's three people ago.

[453] Three people.

[454] I'm like, this is how recently this is.

[455] And this is a bit about President Trump, about him being elected, about how crazy it.

[456] And the bit was about we went from Obama.

[457] I went from this really intelligent, very articulate person.

[458] And it's like we're involved in a relationship with a really, and now we're dating a whore.

[459] And this is this crazy bit that I had about it's like we're on the rebound.

[460] We're just in a nutty relationship now.

[461] But I just don't think anybody should be president.

[462] I just, I don't think it's a good position for human beings.

[463] I think it was a great idea when we're tribes, when we're a tribe of a few hundred people, or a mayor of, you know, a town.

[464] That's great.

[465] Yeah, mayors make sense.

[466] It makes sense that one person, it's a very stressful job, very difficult, but it seems tenable.

[467] It seems like a mayor can be, you know, a mayor can really control a city and do a good job.

[468] I just think when you get to the scale of the United States of America, it just seems nuts.

[469] It just seems nuts to have one person run the whole show.

[470] and then also clearly not because you know you have this gigantic organization behind it that requires all the money from the donors and special interest groups and lobbyists and all these moving pieces are involved to make sure that the people that get in place are going to suit your interests and fulfill your needs and oh and it's all going on right now while a fucking pandemic virus is sweeping the entire globe it's really weird it's a really weird time yeah And, I mean, I wish we could just rerun the whole thing because some of the ideas like Andrew Yang's ideas of the universal basic income.

[471] Yes.

[472] Obviously, he's right.

[473] You know, look, what he said about automation now applies to this virus.

[474] This virus, yeah.

[475] There's people that need money.

[476] Yeah.

[477] And this is where it's really weird.

[478] And I wish I'd brought this up with Dan Crenshaw yesterday.

[479] But a lot of Republicans want smaller government, right?

[480] They want less government.

[481] but this is a time where big government is necessary where you're dealing with something like a pandemic virus you're dealing with the situation where you have to look out for the welfare of all these people you have to restimulate the economy the government has to pour money into it this is a time where big government is necessary and this is a great argument for balance right this is a great argument for big government well the goal I think for both Republicans and Democrats is effective government and then Republicans would say that big government is actually you're increasing the bureaucracy not the effectiveness so this is the question now with testing how do you get at a large scale we're at 0 .7 % we need to test half the population yeah I don't know obviously I don't know but I would imagine if tests exist right we have a test so what we need to do is figure out a way to ramp that up and I'm sure that's being done right now we're just not aware of it I'm sure that they're trying to figure out a way to get it to everybody.

[482] I mean, some of that is just mass production of testing kits.

[483] So the main test they're using the osir molecular -based test.

[484] There's other ideas.

[485] Like in the artificial intelligence side, there's ideas of how to use CT scan, chest scans, and try to detect the early onset of COVID versus just regular pneumonia.

[486] Because there's a lot of sort of neighboring conditions here, too.

[487] Yeah.

[488] We're still something from flu, right?

[489] Yeah, that's the thing I was going to say.

[490] some enormous percentage, like 85 % of people that come in that are sick are not infected with this, because this is flu season.

[491] And the flu so far has killed an extraordinary number of people, which is really weird.

[492] Like, while this is going on, and this is not to diminish the deaths of the people that have died from COVID, because it's all horrible, right?

[493] Anyone that loses a loved one, I, you know, my heart reaches my ache for all of you.

[494] I feel terrible for anybody who loses someone that they care for, whether it's an old person or a young person, to a disease.

[495] It's horrible.

[496] But why is it that we're so terrified of COVID, clearly because it's new, but when the flu is killing more people right now than COVID is, and we're not worried about that at all.

[497] I mean, we should clearly be worried about both things.

[498] And this is, again, it's a great advertisement for strengthening your immune system.

[499] This is a great wake -up call for a lot of people that are unhealthy, that are eating on.

[500] unhealthy and living unhealthy please like if you value life and it's like it's so easy to just assume you're always going to be okay if you're okay now you know this is this the sort of mentality that a lot of us go through life with that everything's fine now it'll be fine and this is where preppers go off the rail the other way right they're like fuck the sky's falling it's all going to fall apart and those people I'm fascinated to see how they're going to freak out like now that this is real and that like it's probably a good idea to have stored food, it's probably a good idea to have a small supply of water that's going to last you a few weeks.

[501] This is all a good idea like how are those motherfuckers going to react to this?

[502] Well they're ready.

[503] What do you mean?

[504] Well they're going to go, they're going to ramp it up even further because now they're going to be justified.

[505] Like they were right.

[506] So what you might very well see especially in the South, so a lot of people have guns, right?

[507] And with with coronavirus there's um like you don't want to infected people in your town so you could very easily see people barricading roads and saying you're not allowed to enter the town yeah well you're seeing that in some places where people have vacation homes and they're leaving the big city and going to the vacation homes and the people that live in these small communities are freaking out because they don't want these infected people coming into their communities and infecting them and they're trying to keep them out of their homes out of their second homes which is like look you can't keep someone out of a fucking house that they own, okay?

[508] You can't just decide that you're going to throw the Constitution out the window and these people don't own their own property anymore.

[509] But it gets to this weird state where everybody's in a panic.

[510] So this, to me, is where the president is essential, is to when people are in a panic, there's so much uncertainties, to inspire the world and sort of take us back to reminding Americans, reminding the world what everyone did in World War II.

[511] Yeah.

[512] Sort of the huge things we've overcome as a civilization, that this is one of those cases.

[513] And sort of as opposed to trying to defend your little corner of this land, seeing us all together as a community and sort of inspire that.

[514] I think in trying to remove, I think in terms of winning elections, like if Donald Trump wants to win the election, it's just do that.

[515] Because in these times, difficult times, presidents are popular.

[516] And if you just forget the stupid red, blue divide and just inspire the whole country, he'll run away with it.

[517] It's true.

[518] but you know it's hard right now to even have that you know he's kind of um he's a guy that when someone comes at him he comes at them harder you know he describes himself as a counter puncher right someone hits him he hits him back even harder and the media just can't let him go like they there's a lot of there's a lot of currency in attacking him and coming up with a great gotcha moment that gets captured in video and then gets released online and so you get all these reporters that have this rare opportunity to talk to him and we talked about this one lady who just kept being upset that someone in the administration apparently she said had referred to it as the kung flu and he's like what did you say and and she said kung flu he said say that again kung flu so she said that and he goes who said that she didn't have she didn't know who he was like someone said it like you heard someone said it like is this really your question like is this really what what's what we're worried about is a joke someone might have made in the middle of a horrendous crisis that they call it the kung flu oh jesus let's stop the presses first of all kung fu is awesome okay there's nothing wrong with kung flu yeah is there anything wrong with saying that i mean look the flu it's not a flu it's a virus it's horrible that it's devastating all these people but is it more horrible if you call it kung flu is it so much more horrible that we have to i mean is it that racist well to me that's a beautiful moment to say let's put our Let's put this bullshit aside.

[519] Let's put this bullshit aside.

[520] Unfortunately, he was almost there.

[521] Yeah.

[522] And instead, he made it more like about himself and just didn't.

[523] There's so much opportunity.

[524] Well, with that conversation with that lady, I don't think he did.

[525] I think that conversation with that lady, he was like, who said this?

[526] You know, and then.

[527] But that lady represents a large percent of the population full of ridiculous ideas such as that.

[528] Yeah.

[529] And he gets a chance to speak to, like, inspire that part of the population and say, let's put this social justice warrior stuff aside.

[530] For a brief moment, as we fight a thing that threatens the economic well -being of our nation.

[531] Well, you hear very little about transgender people using restrooms right now.

[532] You know, you know, so there's a lot of things that you don't hear about.

[533] You don't hear about gender pronouns and a lot of stuff that was so supposedly important, just a small amount of time ago, and it's not to diminish the rights and the values of transgender people.

[534] It's just to say, I think a lot of what people were complaining about and the reasons why people we're up in arms about things.

[535] It's not just because we have real issues with discrimination, but more so that we don't have real problems.

[536] So we look to amplify problems that might not be nearly as big as they are, as we would like to think they are.

[537] You know, I mean, when we're dealing with something that's a real life -threatening, a real huge issue, no one gives a fuck about your gender pronouns.

[538] You know, no one gives a fuck of you're a they -them person.

[539] Are you they -them?

[540] Okay, congratulations.

[541] I don't know what to tell.

[542] tell you.

[543] But we're in the middle of something that is a new disease.

[544] It's killing people.

[545] And some people, it's not killing them at all.

[546] And they're spreading it around.

[547] And it's weird.

[548] So we don't have time for nonsense.

[549] And we're in a lot of ways because society is so, I want to say this in the best way possible, this is the greatest time ever to be alive, even now, even now with all this craziness.

[550] If you compare the world today with the way we're connected to each other, yeah, there's problems.

[551] There's always going to be problems.

[552] We're a bunch of, fuck, weird territorial monkeys living on a planet.

[553] You know, there's going to be problems.

[554] We're sorting through all these different things out.

[555] And there's varying levels of economic disparity, physical disparity, mental disparity.

[556] There's so much difference between all of us.

[557] There's no chance for complete total harmony.

[558] It's not going to exist with these territorial apes with thermonuclear weapons.

[559] It's not going to exist.

[560] You know, what's one of the first things that people did when all this happened?

[561] They went out and hoarded toilet paper and bought guns, okay?

[562] That should let you know.

[563] This is what people are all about.

[564] When the shit hits the fan, they want guns and they want to be able to wipe their ass.

[565] And this is what people panicked about.

[566] This is still one of the best times ever to be alive.

[567] And the thing that gives me hope is the way I feel in my community, the way I feel with my friends.

[568] I've had so many friends reach out and just say, are you okay?

[569] How's everything?

[570] if you need anything, I'm here.

[571] That's beautiful.

[572] I love that.

[573] I love this feeling of community that we have, real community.

[574] It's this like, especially in the stand -up comedy world, there's an incredible sense of community right now.

[575] People are reaching out to help people.

[576] People are donating to people.

[577] People are sending people money.

[578] People are really, they're checking in on each other.

[579] And it's like we're appreciating each other.

[580] We're appreciating each other in a way that I think is beautiful.

[581] And it makes me sad that it kind of, It has to coincide with a tragedy sometimes, but we're humans.

[582] Sometimes we need a wake -up call.

[583] We need a little something that lets us know, hey, you know, this is a temporary situation, this life in general.

[584] Everything about it is temporary.

[585] We are finite life forms on a finite planet that's heated by a finite star.

[586] None of this is going to last.

[587] It's going to last for a long time, but it's not going to last.

[588] Enjoy this.

[589] Enjoy this.

[590] And let's enforce and let's encourage good.

[591] values, healthy values, community values.

[592] We can get through this and be a better country.

[593] I really believe this.

[594] I really believe this.

[595] I think the survivors of this can get through this as long as we can retain these lessons.

[596] It's so easy.

[597] Once something happens and then that thing normalizes and we get back to air quotes regular life, it's so easy to forget the lessons.

[598] But if we can reinforce those, we can remind ourselves of this and we can have these moments, you know, like so many cultures do, where they have.

[599] these religious ceremonies.

[600] You know, I was talking to Eric Weinstein.

[601] We was talking about Jews and they were talking.

[602] What was the fucking, was it Passover?

[603] Yes, it's Passover.

[604] And he was talking about how they tell the story every year.

[605] And the reason why they tell the story every year is to remind everybody, to remind people that you're here because others went through some horrendous shit.

[606] And let's let's thank them.

[607] Let's praise them.

[608] And let's remind ourselves, we're very, very fortunate and remind ourselves that we're a community and the scale of world war two did that from from where i came from in russia that's where that's why i have my guitar here uh you going to play a song well maybe come right now okay well okay i'll spark up a joint i want to hear this but the reason i actually messaged jamie and asked do you think it's okay if i play uh play a song on jerry come on man your poem that you read last time was the shit Well, but I message him without having a song.

[609] You didn't have a song?

[610] No, no, I was just, I was thinking about, so I've been reading a lot about World War II recently before the coronavirus, and then I found out, I learned about my grandfather, who was at age 17, which actually tells you a lot.

[611] You have to be 18 to be in the Army, and he's sort of faked his doctor.

[612] That was what everybody did.

[613] Young kids wanted to fight for their country.

[614] It's an interesting kind of story.

[615] you're not they weren't they weren't dodging the draft they everybody wanted to fight for their country at that stage in 1941 when germany invaded the the soviet union the order from Stalin was that if you get captured you have to kill yourself so there's no surrender so you have to i mean that's the spirit that you're fighting with and so the only way out is if you're a soldier, is death or severe injury.

[616] And in terms of being lucky, I've been thinking about my grandfather a lot who was severely injured.

[617] He was on a machine gun.

[618] He fought, actually, alongside Mikhail Kalashnikov, AK -47 event.

[619] Really?

[620] Yeah.

[621] So that's AK -47 came from World War II.

[622] That's a design from there.

[623] And so you're, your job is so Germany in the fall of 1941 is marching towards Moscow and your job is basically to be a human just a thing that slows them down long enough to where they don't reach Moscow until winter which would give an advantage which allow Moscow to defend easier so winter is very difficult to fight even in World War II in Russia so your basic job job is to slow down the troops.

[624] So you're sitting there with a machine gun, which is exceptionally difficult to carry, and you're just emptying all your bullets.

[625] And so most people are dead.

[626] How heavy is that machine gun?

[627] That was one of the huge criticisms.

[628] There's a particular model, I forget, but most machine guns at the start of, they were using basically World War I weapons in World War II.

[629] And the machine guns that they were using had this giant metal shield that, you know, that you hide behind as you're shooting.

[630] And that shield would turn out to be exceptionally heavy.

[631] So it's not something you can carry easily.

[632] So I would venture to say it's probably like 200 pounds, that kind of thing.

[633] Fuck!

[634] Yeah, so you're dragging it, you know, through the mud, through all of that.

[635] And while bullets are flying.

[636] That's it right there?

[637] I don't know the exact...

[638] Pretty close, probably.

[639] Yeah, probably.

[640] Wow.

[641] But you have to look at Soviet Union where the equipment was not going.

[642] great so you're basically throwing human bodies and i mean the so i was thinking about how lucky because i'm alive because the bullets like he got hurt uh his leg he got hurt in his leg and i'm alive because he got hurt because uh severely where he couldn't continue because that's the only way out and sort of most of his most of his brothers are dead right and that's you're talking about 75 million people died in war two most of them in europe and 50 million of them 50 million is civilians so people without a gun 50 million 50 million died and it's different than the virus i mean it's different there's something particularly ruthless it's something ruthless about war but the stories they tell is of brotherhood as you've known from jock and everybody is that the kind of friendship the kind of connection that it's incredible there and this is our little a little bit a war war two moment because it's a global have you ever read a sebastian younger's book uh tribe yeah it's a great book on that i highly recommend it to people to try to understand why that tribal connection why the the community connection of people that have gone through war is so strong they actually prefer war in a lot of ways some of them do at least to being home they prefer prefer that that camaraderie what do you do when you tuning this up how are you doing this i never understood this there's a thing jimmy thinks it's funny well i think that's funny so you can do it by ear but i'm actually kind of scared chillis so guitar tuning yeah but i don't know what's going on so like this is a low e okay that was out of tune a And there's a little mechanism You just attach to guitar I think it's actually It doesn't go by audio but by vibration Oh that thing is telling you if it's correct What is it doing?

[643] What does it look like?

[644] Like when you see a reading on it or something?

[645] Oh, whoa Oh, that's electronic That looks like a little galaxy watch And when it hits blue that's on tune A D G B E Perfect tune Oh, that's dope Do you know what terrifying this is?

[646] Okay Come on, bro You're a bad motherfucker Here's the lyrics Is this lyrics?

[647] Yeah Should I sing along?

[648] No, don't Please It's bad enough for me to sing Although I do want to play A silly song later on Okay Is it a weird Al Yankovic's song?

[649] No, it has to do with that He had the best tweet about this Did you read that?

[650] He goes, We're all Howie Mandel now I imagine howie Mandel is Right?

[651] He's probably completely freaked out.

[652] We should probably get him in right after it's over.

[653] What's this song about?

[654] About my grandfather, about the time we're in, about love.

[655] Did you write this song?

[656] Yeah.

[657] Okay.

[658] Oh, okay.

[659] Oh, the other thing is I'm a huge Hendricks fan.

[660] So I wanted to play, like last time I chickened out, I wanted to play Hendrix.

[661] You know, Hey Joe or Voodie Child or you know, But your videos get taken down, as I've learned now.

[662] They don't get taken down.

[663] It's revenue sharing.

[664] Well, someone tries to steal your money with that, with the music part.

[665] Yeah, we did that when Gary Clark Jr. sang that Allman Brothers song with Suzanne Santo, which was crazy.

[666] They sang Midnight Rider.

[667] They did a version of it that's so different than the original, but they're like, fuck you, pay me. Yeah.

[668] So you can't even do your own.

[669] Mechanical licensing.

[670] Yeah.

[671] And a lot of it's automated, actually.

[672] Well, I don't know.

[673] I've said this before.

[674] One of the things I love about music is I have zero talent.

[675] I have none.

[676] I don't know how to play anything.

[677] That's why Jamie thinks it's funny.

[678] I don't know what tuning is.

[679] I love things that I don't know nothing about.

[680] And I know that there's a rabbit hole of learning music that, like, do you see the movie Groundhog Day?

[681] Yeah.

[682] Great movie.

[683] Saw it last night.

[684] We have Family Night.

[685] You're watching movies.

[686] You're going like old school movies.

[687] Like I saw you watching Adam Sandler or something.

[688] I'm an Adam Sandler junkie right now.

[689] now.

[690] I've watched them all.

[691] Dude, his fucking movies are so overrated.

[692] It's insane.

[693] Underrated.

[694] Is it over?

[695] Yeah, I'm saying that a lot.

[696] Underrated.

[697] Underrated.

[698] Yeah, I got the names right of the movies.

[699] Yeah, I got the names right.

[700] I saw the Burt Kreiser thing.

[701] Excuse me, his movies are so fucking underrated.

[702] They're amazing.

[703] Look, the fucking Zohan, don't mess with the Zohan is one of the funniest movies I've ever seen.

[704] Yeah.

[705] I was crying, laughing the movie.

[706] He just goes for it.

[707] These movies are so silly.

[708] They're so good.

[709] But his serious movies are really good.

[710] Like, his latest one is I heard it's amazing.

[711] I haven't had a chance to see it, uncut gems.

[712] But anyway, in Groundhog Day, which is a Bill Murray movie, different thing, but another old school movie from like 90 something, Bill Murray lives the same life over and over again.

[713] And no matter what he does, kills himself, keeps waking up, same guy over and over again.

[714] But he learns how to play the piano, because he's like, fuck it, I should just learn a bunch of things.

[715] And so by the end of the movie, spoiler alert, I mean, it's a fucking 30 -year -old movie, but he knows how to play the piano.

[716] He knows how to do a million different things.

[717] And I remember thinking like that is really almost what it takes to be an adult and learn how to play the piano.

[718] You must have an unlimited amount of time because to delve into music, like to really learn how to play.

[719] Like if you're a Hendricks fan, I'm a huge Hendricks fan, right?

[720] That's the reason why this podcast is named the Joe Rogan experience.

[721] I stole the name from Hendricks.

[722] But the idea of me learning how to play guitar being a Hendricks fan trying to be as good as Hendricks.

[723] are trying to mimic like what he that's too much there's too that's too far I'm like you're walking to the sun like that's too far you're never going to get there there's that that's you much time that's how I look at it yeah look at it like it's an impossible time hog well let's see if you can comment on this because for me because people ask me about guitar like how the hell do you because I do like you know I'm a scientist that doing you ask stuff like how do you have time for the guitar and the way I've learned guitar and I won't show off the things I can do today, I'll just show off my terrible voice, is to practice every day for, I would say about five years to practice for like 30 minutes a day.

[724] So you just have to, you shouldn't look, I mean, you know this, you shouldn't look how far to go to learn Hendricks.

[725] Right.

[726] Because Hendricks particularly is exceptionally easy scales and chords.

[727] You can learn in a day everything he uses.

[728] And then just slowly practice.

[729] Because you use the basic blue scale, He's a basic blues musician.

[730] How dare you?

[731] Well, it's like a lot of comedians or basic comedians, but they master the timing.

[732] Yeah, I think fundamentals is a word that doesn't offend people that means the same thing.

[733] Yeah.

[734] In jiu -jitsu, you're a jiu -jitsu, black belt, you understand.

[735] That's a thing that, for whatever reason, is it's bothered so many people that Vinnie Magalesh was talking about Minotaro.

[736] They were on the Ultimate Fighter together when Minotara was one of the coaches and Vinnie Magdalas was working with someone else and he was saying that Nogera, who's Minotaro Nogera, who's a legend.

[737] I mean, just a fucking legend.

[738] When he was in his prime man, he's one of my all -time favorite fighters ever.

[739] His fight with Bob Sapp was probably one of the most legendary fights in all of mixed martial arts and one of the best examples of technique over brawn.

[740] I mean, and he's an unbelievably tough guy.

[741] Minotaro was just an all -time great, but Magalesh, who's a legit world champion, Vinnie Magalesh, was talking about Minotaro's Jiu -Jitsu game, and he said it's very basic, but Minotaro got offended by that, and was really upset at him, but he tried to say, like, I didn't, and I've talked to him about it personally, he's like, I didn't mean it in a bad way.

[742] He took it in a bad way, but I was just saying it's the basics.

[743] It's like he does arm bars, triangles, rare naked chokes, guillotines, but it's like razor sharp.

[744] Hodger Gracie is a great example of that.

[745] Crone, Crone Gracie is a great example of that.

[746] Fundamentals just sharpened to a fucking razor's edge where they just have the perfect guard pass, but standard guard passes, right?

[747] The perfect rear naked choke, the perfect triangle choke.

[748] They just know those fundamentals that you get taught when you're a blue belt, but they have them down to just the most refined way possible.

[749] So that's basics in jiu -jitsu.

[750] It gets discussed like that.

[751] And some people, for whatever reason, they get sensitive about it.

[752] And even the modern guys, even Gordon Ryan and all the Donahar Death Squad people, they have actually very fundamental jiu -jitsu.

[753] Oh, unquestionably.

[754] They have those techniques for sure.

[755] The difference between the Donahir people is there's two differences.

[756] One, they have a phenomenally dedicated group of people that have come out of Henzos because Henzo is an amazing guy and he fostered an incredible sense of community.

[757] Also, he's legacy.

[758] I mean, Henzo is Henzo Gracie.

[759] He's a legend, right?

[760] And he comes from the most famous family in the history of martial arts.

[761] And he is easily one of the nicest and friendliest ones of those, that incredible family.

[762] So he's got this gym that's just filled with all these people that are, first of all, honored to be there to train with a legend in a legend school and two they all have this incredible sense of community because of Henzhou and because of the people that Hensau is taught there and then you have Donahar who's this wizard this New Zealand fucking psychopathic genius character he's awesome he finds the system behind everything which is amazing I mean listening to him talk he's a modern day philosopher warrior he's a different thing man he's a different thing Donahar is a different thing and he's a mean genius you know and he breaks jujitsu down and i say mean genius only compliments only compliments i'm saying i mean he's like he you know knows how to teach you how to fuck people up man and he does it in like an incredibly scientific systematic way the way he he makes his system and how these guys can progress from being a beginner to just a few years later being able to tap really high level black belts is sensational and that's what people the reason i brought them up is people people often don't think of footlocks or the lower half of the body as a part of the basics quote unquote but I think Donahar is one of the people who with Dean Lister and so on who helped discover the basics of footlocks Yeah that's that famous quote from Lister Why would you ignore 50 % of the body?

[763] Yeah And Donahir talked about it on my podcast And he's like, why would you?

[764] You see that fucking genius brain spinning?

[765] That was the greatest podcast ever I enjoyed the shit out of it man He was correcting your flawed breakdown of different fights.

[766] It was great.

[767] I love his breakdown also of Gordon Ryan versus Cyborg.

[768] That was very, very interesting.

[769] Very, very interesting because that was a big moment.

[770] When Gordon Ryan tapped Cyborg, everybody was like, whoa, holy shit.

[771] People knew he was for real.

[772] It wasn't like people were doubting.

[773] He was an amazing grappler.

[774] But when he pretty easily tapped Cyborg, it was a real wake -up call for a lot of folks.

[775] Yes.

[776] But on the point of basics, it's interested with compared to music, this is what's mysterious to me about watching Jiu -Jitsu, watching Haja Gracie, is you watch him do basics and destroy some of the greatest black belts ever.

[777] But I can't see, I can't see what he's doing, actually.

[778] So when you roll, I rolled with Thalo Hubero and Shanzhi Hibero.

[779] Both guys, another example of that style.

[780] Crushing pressure passes, too.

[781] Their top game is just fucking, it's horrendous.

[782] But they're doing the same stuff I do, but it feels different.

[783] And only by feeling it do I discover it.

[784] The cool thing about music is I can actually, it's more, it reveals itself clear, but you can hear the difference between Hendricks.

[785] Like, Stevie Ray Vaughn playing a bend.

[786] Like, I played Comfortably Numb, a cover of Comfortly Numb, and I put up a video.

[787] And a bunch of people were like, your bends are not quite, like, David Gilmore, the way you bend this, you know, yeah, that sound, that special sound, the Gary Clark Jr. sound, the Stevie Ray Vaughn sound, the Jimmy Hendricks sound.

[788] They're playing some basic shit.

[789] I know how to play all of it.

[790] I know, like, one of the first things I learned is Texas Flood by Steve Ray Vaughn.

[791] I know how to play it, but there's got to be a soul in there that requires, like, decades of playing the same stupid bends.

[792] And then also, you know dating a few questionable women having an alcohol problem drugs so on all of that's in there isn't that interesting that it is in there yeah so that in the same with jihitsu in order to do that ex -joke from mount that hadger does there's something in there like he's been through some wars in order to achieve that sure brilliant simplicity no doubt yeah it's um there's a thing about music too that it seems that there's a big difference between doing it and figuring it you know like paying trying to keep track of what the chords are and what the notes are and someone who knows knows they know no they get they're deep in it so they there's no wondering whether or not they can play it it's just simply an expression of mood in the midst of playing it that you get from like some of stevie ray vaughn's shit is a good example that he had a very bluesy moody version of uh guitar playing you know like some of his stuff like you could you could you could feel like pain in it you know you could feel pain and some of uh some of his of course along with his voice too right he had that live hard voice yeah but it was uh it was a more of aggressive kind of pain if you look like a b b king that's more blues there's this like soulful like mellow pain and the thrill is gone on.

[793] Yes.

[794] Yes.

[795] Yes.

[796] And all of it's the same stupid bends.

[797] It's all the same music.

[798] But they, yeah, achieving that, I mean, but the whole point of guitar is to discover music is to discover your own sound.

[799] Did you see that the, I mean, when you say your own song, I was going to show you something, do when you say your own sound, like, Is it a combination of a bunch of other people's sounds that you've kind of put together and adopted as your own sound?

[800] Is it the classic sounds that you've reworked to become your own?

[801] Like, what is your own sound as a musician?

[802] I think it's your own sound, I think it's probably similar to comedy, is your own sound is discovered only once you get technically just good enough.

[803] to mimic others and then you can just put all the technical bullshit aside and be good enough to try to hear your own voice like what so when I played the David Gilmore uh solo for a comfortably numb it doesn't feel like me to me does it not feel like you to you because you feel like you're imitating somebody or you're you're just trying to do the music you're not feeling it like What do you?

[804] No, no, I'm feeling it.

[805] I'm feeling it, but I feel like I'm visiting a good friend.

[806] Like, I feel like it's not home.

[807] And that's something you develop over time.

[808] Like, there is a home.

[809] There is a something.

[810] That's a great way of putting it, visiting a good friend.

[811] And I think the early days, I really want to make clear because this is embarrassed.

[812] I don't, I'm not playing guitar enough these days to be impressive.

[813] Don't, get out of your own head.

[814] Get out of your own head.

[815] Dude, I love acoustic music.

[816] Did you, I posted when Bill Withers died.

[817] I posted, Ain't No Sunshine, the acoustic version.

[818] There you go.

[819] There's a...

[820] God damn.

[821] God damn, that was good.

[822] That fucking acoustic version.

[823] You know, I started...

[824] It's so sad when someone dies.

[825] You, that's when you really get into him.

[826] I've been on this crazy Bill Withers kick for the past couple days since he died.

[827] That used me. song god damn is that a good song i don't know that one oh i wish we could play it yeah i wish we could play it god after the show i'll play it for you fuck there's so much of his stuff you know it just like it just makes you want to close your eyes and rock your head back and forth you know it's just and when when a guy dies you go oh yeah oh grandma's hands oh yeah yeah oh lean on me oh shit you know that's one of the things i i did you know self -isolation now is uh for the first time and a long time i this will sound weird is i actually uh like laid in bed and listened to music for like just listen maybe a lot of people do this i don't usually do usually i'm doing something else i actually like laid there for the explicit purpose of just listening yeah it's kind of it's amazing it's an amazing experience yeah it's there's there's some real value in that.

[828] And we just put music on while we do other shit.

[829] Like working out and stuff.

[830] You know who's really into that?

[831] Just listening to music is Henry Rollins.

[832] When I did the podcast with him he really improved.

[833] Did we do two?

[834] We did two, right?

[835] Was Rollins on twice?

[836] Anyway.

[837] Maybe.

[838] I think he was.

[839] I love him.

[840] It's like giant speakers or something.

[841] Well, he has these crazy fucking Yes, he was.

[842] Thank you.

[843] He's He's got speakers that are worth like a quarter of a million dollars or something preposterous.

[844] He's dumped all of his money into speakers.

[845] He said, I fucking love him.

[846] He's so unique.

[847] And he just picks out a record.

[848] And he treats these records in the creation of these records with reverence, right?

[849] And it's really interesting to me because he's a guy who became famous as a musician and doesn't even do music anymore.

[850] He basically does spoken word.

[851] He does, like, his version of, like, kind of stand -up, and he's always writing.

[852] He's very inspirational in terms of his work ethic.

[853] He's always writing.

[854] He writes constantly for a bunch of different publications weekly.

[855] And then he also puts together a radio show every week.

[856] So he puts together a playlist and he puts it on the radio and he narrates it and talks through it and guides people through his musical selections.

[857] But he'll just sit there.

[858] And that was, like, listening to him talk about that was one of the first times I've ever actually considered.

[859] or like, oh, yeah, there's like real value and just sitting down and just listening to music.

[860] And one of the things that worries me about Henry is, so he's not, I don't think, married and doesn't have family.

[861] So while that life seems appealing, I was, because I'm in danger of going that direction.

[862] How old are you?

[863] 36.

[864] Come on, man, you're fine.

[865] No, but I'm so loved so many things about this world, just like Henry, right?

[866] Right.

[867] that it's easy to let life slip away.

[868] I mean, it's a funny thing.

[869] Because taking in one way, family and kids and wife is a kind of distraction.

[870] It's just one of, just yet another passion in a sea of passions, right?

[871] It can often just be a distraction.

[872] But at the same time, the ability to share that over a long life to share your passions, Seems to be, like everything I've seen, I don't have the experience, right?

[873] But everything I've seen it is a profound and additive.

[874] It's a profound thing to be able to share your passions with others close to you.

[875] I guess that doesn't have to be family.

[876] It is that, but there's something different on top of that.

[877] That's my friend Ray, Ray, who goes by, what does he go, Raganoff?

[878] How do you say it?

[879] Ray, his name is Ray Capo.

[880] he said something to me once when he was really when we were both really young but like more than more than 10 years ago more than probably like when I was training with him probably 2013 like 15 16 years ago somewhere around that range but we were younger and he was talking about children and having children and that for him it was there was part of it that was for his own personal edification like he thought of children as being important for his own like growth as a human and you know raise a deeply spiritual guy as a yoga teacher and he's like and I never thought of it that way I was like you look at it like for your own and I'm like okay and I think as a man and in raising these little girls and seeing these daughters grow up and for for sure I've learned a lot about human beings but also Also, I learned a lot myself about my perception of humans, of babies to people.

[881] And I've talked about this on stage briefly, but it's too weird to sort of articulate in a joke.

[882] I used to always think of people as being a static thing.

[883] Like, I'd see a guy and he's a 55 -year -old, you know, truck driver.

[884] And I would think that guy has always been that guy.

[885] And now I go, oh, you used to be a baby.

[886] like I knew like if you asked me hey was this guy ever a baby I would say well of course he was a baby but I had never intellectualized it I never looked at it and it instantly gave me so much more compassion and so much more like acceptance of people like a relaxed acceptance like a forgiveness of a lot of stupid shit that people do and have done I I almost immediately in raising kids shifted that and thought, oh, you guys just got fucked over.

[887] You meet an asshole.

[888] You're like, oh, your dad's probably a piece of shit.

[889] And you probably grew up in a terrible neighborhood.

[890] And you're probably, you know, ruined by your older brothers who are assholes.

[891] And maybe you lived in a neighborhood where kids were stealing from you and beating you up.

[892] Fuck.

[893] Like, that's how you get to be this guy.

[894] You don't get to be this guy because you just choose to be a piece of shit.

[895] You know, that's not what happens to people.

[896] You become something from your circumstance.

[897] your genetics, there's so much involved in who you are.

[898] And we, I don't think there's any, there's not much value in being mad at someone for who they are, you know, you could kind of be mad at the impact that it has in your life, their stupidity, and we're all, you know, justified in doing that.

[899] But I think one of the things about having children of your own is you realize when you see someone who's a mess, like, okay, I kind of, I kind of see, I understand how that can happened now was before I would just be mad that it's there it's kind of amazing though that a lot of us I mean at least for me you remain from the from the self from the ego perspective you remain the same person like there's a lot of parts of me that it's still like sometimes I feel like I'm the same 12 year old kid yeah yeah for sure yeah and especially when there's trauma then that stuff stuff gets stuck right like uh you had that Eric Weinstein on, right, a couple of days ago.

[900] He just released this unplugging theoretical physics, right?

[901] His geometric unity lecture.

[902] Yeah.

[903] And that's something he's been holding on for more than 30 years, and there's been a lot of, you know, that's something that's been occupying his mind space.

[904] He's just a 20 -year -old kid releasing this now.

[905] That's why it's such a liberating step.

[906] And for a lot of us, it's, I'm the same, Probably this guitar is the same 12 -year -old, 13 -year -old kid who fell in love with music, and the same just goes to everything else.

[907] Like, how old do you feel?

[908] When I'm talking to my mom, I feel like I'm like 15.

[909] 15?

[910] Yeah, for real.

[911] You sound different?

[912] No, I sound the same because I always sound like a 15 -year -old.

[913] Well played, yeah, true.

[914] I just, I feel like my mom's kid.

[915] you know I talk to her now it's like they're real worried about this stuff they're really worried about coronavirus how is she society -wide or just individual she's like literally she's worried about it physically you know she's a woman in her 70s it's just you know my stepdad too it's like their feelings are justified it's dangerous it's dangerous for them it's different than it is for us you know and even for us it's not universally going to be okay.

[916] There's people that are very young that have had serious complications and even have died.

[917] Guys in their early 30s, dead.

[918] So, you know, everybody's a little weirded out.

[919] But when I talk to my mom, it's, I always feel like I felt when I lived in the house.

[920] You know, I mean, I'm, you, you, I don't know if you ever experienced this, but one of the things that I experienced is when I went back home, when I went back to Newton, I grew up in Newton Upper Falls, when I went back, when I was a grown man with a television show, I was on TV, I felt like a loser, still felt like a loser.

[921] I'd go back to that town and I feel like I felt when I was in high school there.

[922] I felt like an outcast and I felt like a weirdo and I felt like a loser.

[923] And so I'd go back there and all of a sudden I'm like, oh, I'm a loser.

[924] I'm going to get out of here.

[925] There's like a part of you.

[926] I mean, I went to back again with my family a few years back and I didn't have that feeling anymore you know and then you were the father that helped too but it's also a lot of thinking you know years and years and years of thinking and years of trying to appreciate um all the things you've learned and process them correctly do your best to have the best most balanced perspective on what this all is so then when I was going back I was just really what I was tripping out more than anything is about the concept of memories you know because I have this weird database where I can go to this strange part of the planet Earth, to this weird patch of land known as Newton Upper Falls, and I can go.

[927] And it was surprisingly rural.

[928] That was what was really weird.

[929] Like, I kind of remembered it, but then I didn't, like, my wife grew up in a terrible neighborhood.

[930] And when we went together, and she grew up in a really just crime -ridden when she was really young.

[931] And so when I took her to where I was like, you grew up easy.

[932] This is nothing.

[933] Like, we were laughing about it.

[934] But it was a lot of fields, a lot of, like the Charles River was right behind my house.

[935] I could go right across the street and hang out in the Charles River.

[936] A lot of woods.

[937] There was a lot of rural shit there that I kind of forgot about.

[938] But it's a kind of time travel, just going back there.

[939] It is.

[940] It's also like you're accessing files.

[941] Like, I stood in front of my old house, and I'm accessing these files.

[942] I'm like, whoa.

[943] And I remember there's stairs that I always, there's these stairs that leave.

[944] I lived next to a place called Echo Bridge.

[945] Echo Bridge is kind of a famous landmark because you can go under Echo Bridge and yell and Echo Bridge echoes and has this crazy, like, thing.

[946] So we'd get drunk and go into there and sing Billy Squire songs like, Lonely is a night when you find yourself alone.

[947] That was my, you know, 1980s -style high school experience.

[948] But going back there as a grown man, you know, And a grown man who's at least gained some grasp of perspective, you know.

[949] I was in my 40s at the time.

[950] And wandering around this town, it just was very interesting to, this, the concept of memory was very stunning to me. The concept of accessing all these different moments where I'm thinking about different times in my life.

[951] I was in these different areas and different things happen and interacted with people.

[952] And I can kind of pull those up.

[953] And so memory is such a strange thing, man. It's so strange because we all know it's flawed.

[954] We all know it's filled with holes.

[955] It's like a terrible representation of reality.

[956] Like if you bought memory, like if you said, you know, hey, I'm going to get a memory, this guy was, he fucking won the Heisman in college.

[957] and I'm going to download his memories.

[958] It should be awesome.

[959] You get that guy's memories like, this is nothing.

[960] You barely remember anything.

[961] You have a slideshow and a narrative.

[962] You have a weird, blurry slide show that you can kind of play in the back of your head, and then you have a narrative of how it all went down.

[963] But that narrative, I mean, it's terrible in terms of accuracy, but in terms of its power and influence on your life is amazing.

[964] Oh, undeniable.

[965] undeniable but you know pro and con right um physical things that's what psychiatry is about is rewriting narratives that uh that are the cons yeah exactly sure and perspectives about that too that's where psychedelic drugs come and political psychedelic too yeah yeah and yeah i'm i still feel like a loser when i go back to my parents i become a 13 and i find myself like defending like basically saying you know mom and dad i'm not a loser like in my head like i'm trying to justify well how about these poor people that have to move back in with their parents because they lose their house because of this fucking crisis and maybe lost the and lose their dream if they're doing a small business yeah how many restaurants are going under right now that i mean it's it might be a it might be more than 50 % of small businesses god damn and that and i don't think we've felt the pain like there's people suffering right now quietly and we haven't seen it's so weird it's such a crazy subject because i could feel the opportunities for people to get outraged at us even talking about it yeah in this sort of speculative way that we're doing like now like how many people are gonna like it's almost like people could think that it's not it doesn't give enough respect to the the enormity of the moment because it's so so scary for all of us when we're all in the middle of this shit right Yeah, man. It's fucking crazy.

[966] This is the craziest time I've ever experienced being alive, driving down the streets in L .A. and there's no one on the road.

[967] You know, drive to a grocery store.

[968] There's fucking no one out there.

[969] There's people headed to hardware stores and grocery stores.

[970] Or gun stores.

[971] It just feels one of the unfortunate things is it feels like we don't know what's happening out there.

[972] Yeah, it's new.

[973] But here's the good thing.

[974] This is one thing that I want to crack home to people.

[975] It is not good that all these people are out of work, but look at how much compliance we have when we know we have to work together to save lives.

[976] Yeah, that's amazing.

[977] Yes, it's not like all these bars are like, fuck you, we're open.

[978] You know, it's not like people are just flood in the streets.

[979] I mean, you had a bunch of young people that are having spring break that got in trouble and people were mad at them, but you've got to realize these are 18 -year -old people.

[980] They don't even have their fucking brains aren't even formed.

[981] Their brains are mush.

[982] You know, this is, you can't fault them.

[983] You would be doing the exact same thing.

[984] We would all be doing the exact same thing.

[985] Those are children.

[986] But for the adults, like a man, it's kind of incredible.

[987] They shut everything down.

[988] They really did.

[989] It's shut down.

[990] Everybody shut down.

[991] You do a few things.

[992] You go home and everybody settles.

[993] There's not this mass traveling and constant interaction with people, this swarm of interactions that could lead to the spread of a virus.

[994] Instead, there's pretty fucking incredible levels of compliance.

[995] If you look at the United States overall, you look at this human race, it's stuck on this continent together.

[996] Overall, there is a stunning level of compliance that I think is beautiful.

[997] I think it's beautiful.

[998] I think it's people realizing, okay, it's time to realize that some shit has actually happened, and we got a band together, and we've got to figure this out.

[999] And you've got the usual suspects, conspiracy theories, and 5G, and fucking, they just pulled the David Ike interview.

[1000] David Ike did an interview with London Reel.

[1001] Yeah.

[1002] I don't know what he said.

[1003] I didn't watch it.

[1004] I watched a small clip of it.

[1005] It's somebody to put up.

[1006] I want to see what kind of wackiness he was saying.

[1007] You know, he's a guy who thinks that all the elites are lizard people.

[1008] Do you know that?

[1009] No, no. I never fully investigated that.

[1010] He's a conspiracy guy.

[1011] Like a heavy -duty conspiracy.

[1012] But he used to, I don't know if he goes into the lizard people shit anymore.

[1013] But he used to think they were literally like transformers.

[1014] Like they were transforming the lizard people behind closed doors.

[1015] well YouTube took his video down which I found very interesting apparently the London Real conversation yes they deleted it yeah YouTube pulled it so the question is like when when it comes to these kind of like there's so many wacky theories that are online right about everything it's craziness right about about virtually everything at what point in time do these media companies have a responsibility to pull that stuff down and how do they decide who who how do they know who's right and who's wrong i'm not saying he's right i don't even know what he said but how do they make the distinction that what he's saying is incorrect and and there's so much incorrect shit that's online are you going to pull all that too like is it just because it's COVID -19 it's because it's global pandemic and we need to make sure that the right information gets out there yeah so having talk to YouTube engineers and execs, they kind of have, there's policies, there's these quote -unquote policies, right?

[1016] So you want to remain science -based, fact -based, you want to avoid conspiracy theories and so on, which to me always feels the policy, okay, a lot of people agree with that policy, even conspiracy theories agree with it in the sense that let's remove lies and keep only the truth on our platform.

[1017] Yeah.

[1018] But the point is, how do you, how open -minded are you to what the truth is right and let's go let's get to something that's like a universally accepted story well not universally accepted but universally recognized story the Kennedy assassination and universally understood is it university I mean what I mean is it's it's a story that everybody knows right and it's the story is questioned almost universe okay here's a better one Epstein Epstein's killer that's one nobody thinks that that guy hung himself no one how about that guy so if you have various theories or various stories that people come out and talk about with that one yeah and I just actually yesterday listened to Eric Weinstein's solo podcast on Jeffrey Epstein yeah I don't know if you've listened to caught it he talks about his kind of conspiracy view of it I wish I was there when he met him that would have been fascinating to see because Eric is too smart he's almost like too smart he's one of those guys you talk to him like oh you poor bastard you're burdened you're burdened trying to make sense of the world around apes you know and all the trauma in the yet like we were talking about he's still also the 13 the 20 year old kid so he's seeing he had a few run -ins with authority which makes it which makes him suspicious of authority and I think our life experience defines that so you can see Epstein in a lot of different ways depending on how you've experienced.

[1019] Yeah, for sure.

[1020] I mean, but.

[1021] If you were there, I can tell you, very nice.

[1022] A little CBD Kilcliffe on your, I like it.

[1023] I know actually quite a lot of people that have met Epstein.

[1024] Do you really?

[1025] Yeah, because you're in the scientific community, right?

[1026] Yeah, and especially at MIT.

[1027] He was a big donor.

[1028] He tainted a lot of people's reputations by knowing him.

[1029] weird way basically if you took a picture with him your reputation is tainted yeah yeah whether you knew them or not but i think i i i do think that uh outside of conspiracy theories that he was an exceptionally charming person so he was good you know at charming people at charming people yeah i don't mean to make it sound yeah i know what you're positive or negative it is what it is is the devil is going to be charming so right right right And the other thing is he genuinely showed curiosity towards scientific ideas, even out there, big scientific ideas, especially.

[1030] What do you think that was, though?

[1031] Have you ever thought about that?

[1032] Do you think that it's possible that, look, I mean, if you just look at it from perspective of is the big theory, the big theory, right, is that he's some sort of a intelligence operative, right?

[1033] Yes.

[1034] So if he's an intelligence operative, don't you think it's a part of his job to try to infiltrate the scientific communities?

[1035] I mean, there must have been a directive.

[1036] If he really is an intelligence operative, it's not like they're like, hey, go pursue your interest.

[1037] Hey, I hear you have a really big love of science.

[1038] Just feel free to do that on the side.

[1039] No, what the fuck was he doing?

[1040] If he's an intelligence operative, what is the intelligence having sex with underage girls?

[1041] It can't be that.

[1042] Well, the idea of Eric that Eric pushes forward, by the way, I'm talking to him on the podcast I do tomorrow, which is why I'm talking about him a lot.

[1043] So I've been preparing for like a three -hour conversation with Eric Weinstein, which will kill most.

[1044] Have you met him before?

[1045] Yeah, yeah, I already did a podcast over the months.

[1046] And I've met him, and I hung out with him and you and at the comedy story.

[1047] That's right.

[1048] That's right.

[1049] But it's always an overwhelmingly intense experience intellectually.

[1050] And in a podcast form, you have to call people out in their bullshit, which is very, very.

[1051] hard to do with Eric Weinstein.

[1052] Yeah, that theory, boy, I checked out 10 minutes into that theory.

[1053] Oh, the geometricity.

[1054] Yeah, and I tried to go back to it and listen to it again.

[1055] I'm like, while he was talking, I'm like, okay, I'm so far behind here of what he's, I'm just going to try to keep up, but recognize that I'm not going to, and then go back and then listen to it again.

[1056] Well, he hates putting stuff into words simply.

[1057] Yeah.

[1058] He's like allergic to saying simple stuff because it's not beautiful and witty.

[1059] So he always like drenches every in humor and wit and this like beautiful language well he talks to the initiated he when when he's describing complex things he describes him to people that understand complex things no but it's also i mean this is the criticism i have this one i'm going to nail tomorrow and always tell him is he almost he he hates explaining the basics of something he just skips ahead right even for the initiated it's nice to go to the basics to explain like what like what or the ground we're standing on.

[1060] He skips right into the depth of things, which is beautiful, but sometimes requires you listen.

[1061] Again, he's too smart.

[1062] He's hanging out with apes like me. But he, on Epstein, he thinks that, yeah, his arm, it's possible that Epstein is, sorry, what was the term used of the intelligence?

[1063] Intelligence community, is it operative?

[1064] Operative of the intelligence community.

[1065] But the pedophile thing is a mess.

[1066] up on the part of the intelligent.

[1067] So they didn't know.

[1068] They didn't know.

[1069] They didn't know.

[1070] Well, it could also be that he felt like he'd get me, remember when this was all started out, when he started out doing that, it was all before social media, right?

[1071] So he probably thought that he had this incredible amount of power because of the fact that he was connected by the intelligence community, if he was.

[1072] He probably thought he could get away with it.

[1073] Makes you wonder of all the horrible things that happened in this world before social media before the spread of information was possible.

[1074] Oh, craziness.

[1075] Just sheer craziness, you know?

[1076] And it's like, look, how about the Catholic Church?

[1077] And they just...

[1078] Still might be going on, right?

[1079] It's 100 % going on.

[1080] It's not, hey, guys, the fucking heat's too hot.

[1081] Let's stop fucking kids.

[1082] No, they're still getting away with it somehow or another.

[1083] You know, the Vatican is still its own country.

[1084] You know that, right?

[1085] It's like, it's sort of recognized as a country.

[1086] They have their own laws.

[1087] They don't extradite people.

[1088] so there's a bunch of sex criminals that live in the Vatican and there was a recent thing with Australia where they they acquitted some I believe it was a cardinal that was accused of sex crimes with children it's awful man the idea that that one church is so connected to that like there's not another church you go oh kid fuckers Catholic church kid fuckers they're like that They go hand in hand.

[1089] You don't, there's nothing like that with like Mormons.

[1090] There's nothing like that with Presbyterians.

[1091] But the Catholic Church is like inexorably connected to child molesters.

[1092] That is fucking crazy.

[1093] And that we all know that they have shielded these people and moved these people around.

[1094] There's been horrendous documentary.

[1095] So if you watch them, your jaw drops.

[1096] You can't believe.

[1097] Did you ever hear no evil?

[1098] Do you ever watch that documentary?

[1099] That's not the one where the Boston Globe, the one that won the Oscar I don't know if that was a documentary sorry yeah it was a documentary yeah yeah no it was all about this well there's a bunch of them I mean I don't even want to get into depth about it because I get disgusted there's quite a few documentaries about sex crimes in the Catholic Church and one of them one of the more horrendous crimes involved that guy Ratzinger that they had to kick out as a pope you know that guy was personally responsible for moving a priest who was molesting kids moved him to a new place where he molested a hundred deaf kids.

[1100] Yeah.

[1101] Just imagine.

[1102] Just imagine that you could be, that that person can exist inside the structure of the Catholic religion or the Catholic Church.

[1103] And that doesn't mean they're all like that.

[1104] I mean, I'm sure there's a large amount of beautiful people that are involved in the Catholic Church.

[1105] You know, there's probably a large amount of people that really only want to do the work of God and become a better person.

[1106] and that's why they're in it.

[1107] But you also can't deny that this is a thing that exists.

[1108] And even in 2020, this is still an issue.

[1109] That's crazy, man. And one of those issues, just like influenza, that we kind of, we've accepted as a thing that...

[1110] Yes.

[1111] Because it's not new.

[1112] Yes.

[1113] Yes.

[1114] What is that?

[1115] That's...

[1116] It's so weird.

[1117] That's so true.

[1118] What you just said, you just nailed it.

[1119] Yeah, it's just...

[1120] And there's all kinds of other types of suffering that's just in the background.

[1121] Malaria.

[1122] Yeah.

[1123] All the problems that only Bill Gates worries.

[1124] Well, everybody, apparently people that were at his, were you at his 2015 speech when he was talking about it?

[1125] Have you listened to that speech?

[1126] No, I have not.

[1127] He's like spot on predicting everything.

[1128] Really?

[1129] Yeah, I mean, and he's still right, forget coronavirus.

[1130] I mean, basically, the thing in this century that's likely to kill 500 million people is natural pandemics.

[1131] Yeah.

[1132] I mean, what we're going through now is nothing.

[1133] So, like World War II, for example, like the stories, just thinking, like learning more about my grandfather, what was going through Russia and Europe, we take for granted now that we can go to the grocery store.

[1134] We still have food.

[1135] We're kind of talking about it.

[1136] But, like, imagine there's no food.

[1137] No food.

[1138] No food.

[1139] That's it.

[1140] You're starving.

[1141] So millions of people are going to die from start.

[1142] Imagine what you're going to do for your family if there's no food.

[1143] Especially, so World War II had the nice, the horrible, but the nice property that there was an enemy.

[1144] But with the coronavirus, the enemy is other people.

[1145] Yeah.

[1146] Yeah.

[1147] And that, when things get really bad, not coronavirus, I shouldn't say that because that's not going to get bad.

[1148] But a natural pandemic, it's, it can do, it can wreck, I mean, it can destroy societies in ways we can't imagine.

[1149] Bill Gates was basically in his very polite nerd way saying that we should really be worried about.

[1150] We should really be investing in a huge infrastructure for vaccine development, for testing, all those kinds of things.

[1151] Yeah, I think because of his charities, you know, he's sort of looked into it a lot deeper than a lot of other folks have and because he has an infinite amount of time and money he's probably sitting around thinking like what is how come people aren't looking at that hey do you think he's ever done psychedelics if i had a guess yes i mean so many people of his era did you know it was a big part of steve jobs and his his revelations although i think he probably should have done more of it Steve jobs yeah relax them make them a little bit nicer that intensity that passion is what fuels great engineer so he it does that's the problem right it's like to get something that great you almost have to have that maniacal vision behind it what do you want a nice guy or an iPhone I think you want the iPhone that's a great meme that's a great meme Steve Jobs looking looking angry it just says what do you want a nice guy or an iPhone Bill Gates once coily defended LSD use by saying, I never missed a day of work.

[1152] Oh, there you go.

[1153] Yeah, of course he did it.

[1154] Yeah, of course he did it.

[1155] They all tried it back then.

[1156] Why wouldn't they?

[1157] You know?

[1158] Yeah.

[1159] I think he got in a little beef with Elon.

[1160] About...

[1161] About...

[1162] I think he said that the Tesla...

[1163] He said something bad about Tesla not being...

[1164] Oh, no, no, no. He was actually defending...

[1165] He was talking good about Tycans.

[1166] yeah about Porsche taikens and Elon said he was very unimpressed with him but because you're reminding me with memes somebody replied with a meme of uh not a meme a real video of bill gates jumping over a chair and uh they said i don't know i find him impressive and Elon said yeah that's pretty impressive I love when uh tech CEOs of major companies have the that can be silly like that Elon's very silly He responds to people on Twitter He gets silly He's having fun He's having a good time This is Bill Gates Jumping over a chair That's a pretty good jump For a nerd Not bad What do you mean for a nerd I hate that word by the way I love nerd Yeah It's a good word No but you don't use it You don't mean I don't mean in a positive way Yeah Yes I do Okay let me I do often You do often Yeah yeah yeah I mean who like is wearing glasses with a fucking sweater with a collared shirt underneath it.

[1167] It looks like a nerd.

[1168] So you use it positively in that, I mean, a silly kind of way, but you don't think of a nerd as somebody as an ideal of a man or an idea, like a...

[1169] Oh, there's nothing wrong with nerds.

[1170] No, I disagree.

[1171] My perspective is never like that, look, I'm a nerd about a lot of things.

[1172] I mean, there's certain things that I'm a nerd about, for sure.

[1173] No, I totally, I guess what I'm speaking to, and that's relevant for our time, is that science is not admired in ways, because I've seen the alternative, especially in the Soviet Union.

[1174] The way people admire scientists is the way they admire great athletes, great, great creators of all kinds.

[1175] And nerd sometimes diminishes that in ways.

[1176] that it seems like a peculiar quirk of a human being is just like it's it connects it to like you know going to comic con conventions kind of nerd versus that's a different that's a dork the dork yeah so when you're a comic con dork we've i think we've gone over this recently dork is rarely positive dwarf is good if it's self -deprecating car yourself a dork i'm such a fucking dork um but it's very rare that dork is positive whereas nerd is often positive nerd is like guy he's a science nerd heavy heavy science nerd like that's that's just a fun way of saying someone's really smart about a certain thing but i know what you're saying yeah there but i don't think the way around that is to eliminate words or even stop using certain words i think the way around that is just to appreciate people that are really great at science yeah that's the way around that it's not the words don't really matter it's perceptions that matter and i don't think necessarily that science has a bad perception it just doesn't have a glamorous enough perception how many people can name oscar winners that are just really good at lying they're just really good pretenders and we can name them but how many people can name Nobel prize winners right science is very few right exactly and i guess the thing i was also speaking to and definitely keep using word and it doesn't oh i'm gonna preventing words is uh i don't let nerds tell me what to do see there you go no the the thing so that's actually the point i was trying to make it wasn't the is nerd is synonymous with weak that i always hated as a person who loves fighting like i like the appreciate like um i like the fact that people are complimenting sort of the pursuit of your scientific curiosity, that is great.

[1177] But I just never liked, it's the thing I've experienced in this country is nerd as an image is seen as weakness as a kid that gets picked on.

[1178] And I always, it always annoyed me because, to me, intelligence, and nerds annoyed me. Nerds annoy me because they, like, lean into it.

[1179] Like most people I know are kind of like don't work out much.

[1180] Yeah.

[1181] And they kind of lean into that idea.

[1182] Do you think they lean into that because they were bullied by people who work out a lot?

[1183] So they think of those people who work out as like I don't want to get into their thing.

[1184] Those people suck.

[1185] They were always mean to me. Yeah, something like that.

[1186] And you kind of create a narrative where like jiu -jitsu or fighting is like a brute thing, just like you talked about with Greek statutes having small penises.

[1187] You say all those barbarians with their big penises.

[1188] Yeah, that's what he's telling me. That's what the professor was giving us a tour was telling me. I think you can be a noble person and have a big penis.

[1189] Whoa, you're trying to...

[1190] Is it a humble brag?

[1191] It was an analogy to...

[1192] You get to let people know?

[1193] It's all right.

[1194] No, I agree with you, man. But that's what people...

[1195] My mom listens to this, so...

[1196] That's what people don't want, right?

[1197] You don't want a guy with a bigger dick than you.

[1198] smart.

[1199] That's like the same thing you don't want a guy who's or a woman or a guy.

[1200] You don't want a woman who's hot and smart.

[1201] You know, like when people think of really beautiful women, they automatically assume that woman's dumb.

[1202] And oftentimes that is not the case.

[1203] Sometimes people just have awesome bone structure.

[1204] And if they, you know, stimulated themselves in mentally, if they pursued things, if they had an interest in certain scientific or, you know, esoteric ideas.

[1205] And you underestimated them you would be you'd feel really humiliated if a super smart but super hot girl put you in your place let you know not only am i hot but i'm fucking smart than you stupid like that too men don't ever want to think that they almost always love to assume that someone who is pretty is dumb yeah i love it i love seeing um like i love seeing women who dress up like like pretty like sexually they're not trying to, and are also brilliant.

[1206] Yeah.

[1207] And it's like an effute to society that I can be both things.

[1208] Listen, man, women like dressing like that.

[1209] We're different.

[1210] You know, for us to try to imagine why they like doing it.

[1211] Well, they're trying to look sexually attractive.

[1212] Yes, for sure.

[1213] Why are they trying to do that?

[1214] They actually like it, too.

[1215] They like dressing like that.

[1216] If we, if, for, I often wonder, like if, if women were into us dressing like women like how many people would do it if that became a new thing like girls really want to fuck guys who wear skirts isn't that a big deal in scot that's a different thing different you mean like a mini skirt i'm like like fucking the hot little latex jammy like you know hugs your curves i think you see some dudes and new skirts to do that that would be like the maybe not a lot of people wouldn't maybe they wouldn't have to shave their legs no if you had to like they're like in you have to shave your legs to show off those maybe that would be the end but it depends right why do girls do it yeah they don't all yeah by the way how many people find it what their woman really looks like now they can't do their eyelashes they can't do the eyebrows they can't do their hair they can't do their nails who well your your haircut is the right haircut oh this is what everybody should get yeah wish I did it when I was younger it's liberating yes for the moments I did it I was like of course yeah god damn it especially for someone that's losing their hair.

[1217] I'm like, please, just shave your fucking head and just accept it.

[1218] Even if you got a weird shaped head, that's you.

[1219] Accept it.

[1220] Yeah, I'm not going to do any better with some weird hair hanging off the back of it.

[1221] I'm growing it out.

[1222] You should.

[1223] Yeah.

[1224] You got a beautiful head of hair.

[1225] Look at it.

[1226] So thick.

[1227] It's like a brush.

[1228] Yeah.

[1229] You could use your hair to brush other people's hair.

[1230] Thanks for the idea.

[1231] But it's, yeah, the fact that the barbers are all closed.

[1232] I mean, all of these little aspects of society just kind of, it's kicking in.

[1233] Mm -hmm.

[1234] It's, it's like...

[1235] I'm hoping things restart and normalize.

[1236] You know, I'm hoping the economists can figure out some sort of a stimulus package to get things rolling again.

[1237] I hope we have the resources.

[1238] It's, I'm hopeful.

[1239] And I'm also hopeful that the positive aspects of it will stick.

[1240] This is my perspective.

[1241] The keto diet is pretty good for this.

[1242] Is it?

[1243] I've been enjoying it.

[1244] Why is that?

[1245] Well, I don't know.

[1246] I feel like I can not eat for a long periods of time.

[1247] Oh, yeah.

[1248] They're like fasting, I guess.

[1249] And, but it does, I mean, I like it.

[1250] You're not so, you lack the discipline to, to stay in keto.

[1251] I just saw your Instagram post today.

[1252] Well, I was very rarely keto.

[1253] I did carnivore, though.

[1254] That was my favorite diet.

[1255] Yeah, that's what I'm still doing carnivore, just eating burger patis.

[1256] I just decided while this is all going on, if we might have an issue with food, I'm not going to be picky.

[1257] I'm just going to eat.

[1258] For sure.

[1259] That's just my perspective during this thing.

[1260] Once everything normalizes, if and when that happens, I'm going to go back to carnivore, I think.

[1261] But like right now, I'm like, I'm just going to eat.

[1262] I'm not going to worry about that.

[1263] I'm just going to be thankful that I have food.

[1264] Yeah, carnivore is amazing.

[1265] It's great for, I've been running longer and longer distances.

[1266] I did, you know, David Gagons.

[1267] Yeah, I wanted to talk to you about that.

[1268] Tell everybody what you did, because it's crazy.

[1269] You ran four miles every day or every hour.

[1270] Every four hours.

[1271] Every four hours.

[1272] Yeah.

[1273] It's not that crazy.

[1274] It's crazy for me. I'm not a runner.

[1275] So it's 48 miles over a period of 48 hours or two days.

[1276] The mileage is not that crazy because I was doing like a 9 - or 10 -minute mile.

[1277] So it's not, you know, I'm just running old lady pace.

[1278] It's a lot of time.

[1279] The time is in the mind.

[1280] The thing that really pushed me to.

[1281] And, okay, I decided to do after each time to record myself saying something that I'm grateful for, which is a stupid fucking idea.

[1282] Why?

[1283] No, it's a beautiful idea.

[1284] but the recording part because I hated life and I hated everything like halfway through like so I had to be positive when I'm recording myself so you could only sleep for a couple hours at a time a couple hours at a time when you tired all the time like how did that work I wasn't tired I was like high I was like unsure what's happening I was delirious because your body is exhausted in a way that's like like after a good workout but it continues going farther and farther into that direction A runner's high, right?

[1285] Yeah, it's a high, but there's an exhaustion, too.

[1286] And it was, I was a carnivore.

[1287] I was hungry, but also overeating.

[1288] Like, for some reason, really wanted a full oven -roasted chicken.

[1289] So I, one of the runs I ran by the grocery store picked up an oven -roasted chicken and just ate the whole thing.

[1290] And then just the whole experience just is a mind.

[1291] But don't you think you're burning off?

[1292] an insane amount of calories running four miles every four hours?

[1293] Four miles every four hours.

[1294] It's not that insane.

[1295] I would say it's probably the whole thing is probably, I don't know, 10 ,000 calories.

[1296] So over two days.

[1297] It's not too crazy.

[1298] Yeah, but you're basically running a marathon a day.

[1299] Yeah.

[1300] That's crazy.

[1301] For two days.

[1302] Yeah, that's crazy, dude.

[1303] Why are you trying to downplay it?

[1304] No, it was great.

[1305] I mean, the whole thing was crazy.

[1306] What do you think, Jamie?

[1307] I'm not wrong here, right?

[1308] It's in the middle of it.

[1309] I understand what he's saying, though, also, because you get a little break.

[1310] Four miles isn't the longest round.

[1311] That's like a 5K.

[1312] You can get it done in less than an hour.

[1313] It's 45 minutes.

[1314] That's even long if you're going at his pace.

[1315] Is that what you're doing about 45 minutes?

[1316] 45, yeah.

[1317] Sometimes I would stop.

[1318] It's cool.

[1319] You get pretty far through an audiobook.

[1320] But the sleep thing was crazy.

[1321] I think the only reason I did it, which is a good lesson, is I saw Gaggins post this on Instagram.

[1322] And I announced on social media that I'm going to do it, which is the only reason I did it.

[1323] I mean, it's a good thing to, it's nice.

[1324] It's nice to just announce that you can do it because then you feel like such a...

[1325] You're accountable.

[1326] Yeah.

[1327] So, I mean, I thought maybe I could just delete the tweet.

[1328] Just to walk back.

[1329] That was great about our sober October challenges.

[1330] You have to do it, you know.

[1331] The first one was so easy.

[1332] The yoga one was just 15 hot yogas in a month.

[1333] It was a yoga every other day.

[1334] Not that big a deal, but it seemed like it.

[1335] It's hanging over your head.

[1336] But that's nothing compared to what you did.

[1337] Well, the nice thing also, David Gaggins on his Instagram went live every four hours.

[1338] So every four hours beforehand, I'm just like sitting here watching this crazy shirtless man, like screaming.

[1339] Stay hard!

[1340] Yes.

[1341] Of course, he was making it seem like it's going to be easy.

[1342] And let me kind of walk it back.

[1343] Like the gratitude thing was the feeling.

[1344] was hard and but it's actually a really cool experience so before the run I wrote down 12 things I'm really grateful for like family like family friends my childhood like and I and as I ran I thought about it like what I'm gonna say and that thinking it's weird it was all for doing like recording myself right but the result was like pretty profound for myself as an experience it's kind of similar with podcasts like you and i wouldn't have this conversation without microphones right right especially wouldn't have it this long this long sitting across from each other yeah but recording yourself was like i really have to now think that i'm thankful for my family and think like really put that to mind that was yeah that was big and and also just uh by the way if people are thinking about that 40 because there's so many people messaged me about the the challenge if you're thinking of doing it please don't do it bitch don't listen to him I think I think just running 48 miles is a better challenge because this was torture so if you okay just okay if people are thinking of doing it realize that you're not doing a test of run it's not a running test it's not a marathon test it's a test of it's a mental test of how much you want to do something really stupid i guess that's a marathon test but like the you have so much more time to think about how stupid the thing you're doing is that makes it a really big mental challenge would you if you had the option halfway into it to just finish the run just keep going until it's over 100 % yeah really i would just do it so you think it might have been more torture to do it with those breaks and the rest and the food and relaxing for a little bit yeah yeah the torch hangs over your it hangs over your head the fact that you have to wake up in three hours and like so i'd never slept in my bed i just laid face down on the on the carpeted floor did you substitute any of those runs for jiu jitsu i was i substituted one of them for jihitsu but at the end i ran eight miles because i thought it was um like a cop out a cop out but did jihitsu i felt so jihitsu i did um shout out to broadway jiu jihitsu they're all closed now Yeah, jujitsu gym is going to be a while before they open up again, right?

[1345] Yeah, and I hope it doesn't, they don't close, like...

[1346] I know, man, it's just so many people are going to be freaked out by germs.

[1347] Yeah, but I, I, um, so it feels weird to talk about, but, uh, yeah, I felt really, really good.

[1348] When did you do this?

[1349] Pretty close to this whole outbreak, uh, maybe a month ago, two, a month and a half ago.

[1350] Yeah, it was like February then?

[1351] Yeah, February.

[1352] End of February ,ish.

[1353] And I actually gave a big talk to a large audience in Philadelphia, like on March 8th or something like that.

[1354] I was in Vegas for the UFC that weekend.

[1355] That was the last weekend I traveled.

[1356] So I guess it was March 7th.

[1357] That might be the last time.

[1358] Isn't that weird?

[1359] Like, what was the last time you did a stand -up?

[1360] That week.

[1361] I did some shows at the improv, and then I was supposed to do.

[1362] some shows at the comedy store and we were talking about it and they said it's two the room's too big because they were limiting the crowds down to 200 people that was the first thing they did so they were going to move the crowd uh they were going to move uh my show to another date and then open up the original room which is a smaller room of 150 people and uh they were asking me if i wanted to go in there or if i wanted to just cancel and reschedule we were working all that out and then they contacted us and they were asking me and a bunch of other comics like what do you think we should do here you know because there's part of us that thinks we should just shut down and uh they shut down before the order was given to shut down they decided this is you know the comedy store doesn't want anybody to get sick and they were worried about people losing income but they were also saying like this is probably the right idea to just shut down and then the improv shut down shortly after but they all shut down before they were required to they just shut down because it just seemed like the walls are closing in but did you realize at that time this might be the last time way man because it might be I am I don't want to say anything but it might be a long time before you do stand -up comedy what do you think another six months I think it's okay here's what I think all right now I think it would be longer than six months for sure really Yeah.

[1363] Why do you think that?

[1364] Because gatherings of large groups.

[1365] I'm hoping there'll be a lot of interesting innovations of what gatherings or large groups will look like.

[1366] Like I can see you're doing stand up to a small audience that's tuned in, like people remotely tune in at a larger scale.

[1367] What?

[1368] Like something like.

[1369] Online?

[1370] You can't do it.

[1371] No, not online only because you have to have some.

[1372] You can't do online, period.

[1373] Because people record it.

[1374] Record it.

[1375] You're working on your new stuff.

[1376] So you're always...

[1377] Stand -up comedy is like...

[1378] People are assholes.

[1379] No, they're not.

[1380] They're very good, which is one of the reasons why most sets don't get leaked.

[1381] You know, when they leak the Louis C .K. set, it's like almost understandable.

[1382] Almost.

[1383] His special just went live.

[1384] Yeah.

[1385] You can get it.

[1386] I haven't watched all of it.

[1387] I've watched half of it.

[1388] It's weird to...

[1389] Sorry to interrupt.

[1390] No, that's okay.

[1391] It was weird to watch because it's good.

[1392] It's intense, like, his other specials, right?

[1393] He talked about pedophilia and everything.

[1394] But it feels weird to see a crowd.

[1395] To see a crowd and to listen to a comedian in this time not mentioned the coronavirus, right?

[1396] So, like, it made me realize that I have a hunger as probably a lot of people to hear, like, a comedian talk about, like, we want to see stand -up comedy about the virus.

[1397] Yeah.

[1398] I guess a podcast is a kind of replacement, but, like, because we're.

[1399] We want some normalcy, right?

[1400] We're all alone with our thoughts and our paranoia and then news media, which in many cases is accelerating our anxiety because there's value in developing stories and writing stories that get people outraged or clickbait.

[1401] So there's that.

[1402] And we need people just talking, just talking, just people that are just like you talking about stuff, various walks of life.

[1403] that helps us this is a certain e -community that we're all a part of you know and uh i feel very connected to that now you know because this podcast is it's kind of taken on a different form over the last few years which is one of the reasons why i actually have to address people talking about politics and me i'm like you guys are out of your fucking mind if you're listening to me but i have to accept that that this is part of the new form this thing is taken.

[1404] And another form this thing is taken is that it's sort of like an electronic campfire in a lot of ways.

[1405] You know, there's a great value to people just sitting around shooting the shit.

[1406] And I know there's a lot of people at home that can't, you're not chiming in.

[1407] You wish you would.

[1408] You probably have some things to say.

[1409] It's one of the reasons why comments get so aggressive sometimes.

[1410] Because people are listening, they have something to say, and they can't.

[1411] You just keep talking, and they're like, fuck.

[1412] And they're like, but maybe you should fucking listen to your guest.

[1413] Or maybe you should, blah, maybe you should, blah.

[1414] It's really they have a thing in them that they want to express too.

[1415] Like you're talking, they have some interesting shit to say too, and a lot of them do.

[1416] Yeah.

[1417] By the way, on that point, I know you don't check comments, but I'm actually, I kind of enjoy checking, especially yours.

[1418] Like, I'm a fan of yours.

[1419] I like being a fan of cool people.

[1420] And I'll just go on your Instagram and just comment.

[1421] And there'll be some, there's always some percentage of people who are, who are so shitty.

[1422] But most of them, that's where I disagree with you, I think most of them are really cool.

[1423] Yes, I think so too.

[1424] No, I think so too.

[1425] But also there's this giant, I think most people, not most, but there's a big percentage of the population who just enjoy being shitty, but they also enjoy being nice.

[1426] Sometimes, yeah, because they're not being shitty for real.

[1427] They're just shit posting.

[1428] Yeah, so as long as you're able to inspire them to be nice, or at least more, because shit posting done well has a humor behind it and actually a love and respect behind it that's kind of obvious.

[1429] Yes.

[1430] Look, one person has to take the hit, whether it's you or me or whoever it is or they're shitting on.

[1431] If they're saying something funny and one person takes the hit, but a thousand people reading those comments go, bah, that's so true.

[1432] Hey, man, I get it.

[1433] I'm not trying to stop anybody from commenting.

[1434] You know, there was a time where the comments were blocked off because the streaming didn't allow comments because we didn't have a chat in the streaming.

[1435] Because you have a chat in a streaming, it devolves into racial slurs and ethnic slurs and anti -Semitic slurs.

[1436] It's fucking chaos sometimes because people just want to see if you're reading that while you're talking, they want you to react.

[1437] So they'll write some horrible shit just so that you react sometimes.

[1438] So we can't have that.

[1439] I'm not going to read that.

[1440] So I'm like, just shut off the chat.

[1441] Let's just, we'll stream the show live, but then we were uploading it, comments were shut off because of some sort of a flaw in the way it was processed.

[1442] So, like, you had to have the chat on for comments to be on or something like that, but they fixed that.

[1443] But I was, I really wanted people to know, like, if you want to talk about what we're talking about, I want you to be able to.

[1444] I can't read it because I don't have the time and it's, I don't think it's healthy.

[1445] It's not.

[1446] It's like, it does something bad to your mind, but I feel like that's a technology problem.

[1447] because my dream would be for somebody like you two be able to read comments every once in a while in a way that is healthy.

[1448] No, I could.

[1449] I could.

[1450] That's not the problem.

[1451] The problem is for me personally.

[1452] There is so little time to just process life that any time that I spend trying to rationalize or trying to accept or trying to process someone's comments, like there's not enough time for that.

[1453] I want to, I would love to do, I try very hard to do my best.

[1454] That's what I try to do with everything.

[1455] And with this podcast, I try to do my best.

[1456] And I know sometimes I talk too much, or I talk too much, or I stumble through my words, or I'm overbearing, or this or that.

[1457] Yeah, it's a balancing act.

[1458] Like, sometimes you stumble.

[1459] It's weird.

[1460] It's all live.

[1461] You know, everything I'm doing is live with no script that millions of people get to see and listen to.

[1462] How do you get that signal, though?

[1463] So one of the things I enjoy before I block them is people who criticize, like, who are truly rude.

[1464] But within - Do you enjoy that?

[1465] No, I don't enjoy it.

[1466] But I think it's constructive in the sense that within the rudeness, there's often, like, opportunity to improve.

[1467] Often not.

[1468] Often they're just like - Oh, so you're saying they're rude, but they have a valid point.

[1469] Because I find that rude people are more likely, like, I'm so fortunate to be part of, of a community who are really nice to me and just in general nice, I find that they're unable to tell me sort of constructive criticisms in following, like, if I mumble or if I'm not articulate with my ideas, or if I'm, if I use a certain word too much, or if I'm too stuck in a certain kind of perspective, you need the asshole to come along to call you like a liberal douchebag or something.

[1470] Yes.

[1471] Well, that's what friends are for.

[1472] You know, friends are for busting balls.

[1473] I mean, that's one of things about comedians that a lot of people had a hard time.

[1474] When we started doing podcasts, one of the things that a lot of people had a hard time with was how mean we are to each other.

[1475] Like me and Brian Callan and Eddie Bravo and Brennan Chob, and we start goofing on each other or other comics that come in here and goof on each other.

[1476] When we goofing on each other, we goof on each other, we goof on each other, but there's fun in that.

[1477] Like, we all enjoy it.

[1478] Like, comedians to each other, some of the fucking meanest people ever.

[1479] Like when no one's around, we say, some of the fucking group chats I'm in where people shitting on each other, it is hilarious.

[1480] It's so mean, but really fucking funny.

[1481] And we also do that as an exercise because it calluses you to other people's insults.

[1482] And to that, like, it's a thing that men do to each other.

[1483] They shit on each other.

[1484] First of all, to keep each other in check, and they expect you to do that to them.

[1485] But also to kind of toughen you to people that don't love you.

[1486] they're going to talk shit.

[1487] You know, you're used to it.

[1488] You know, look, if you grow up in a place like, you know, that is filled with people that are always drunk and it's cold out, like Boston, people talk a lot of shit.

[1489] Talk a lot of shit to each other.

[1490] That's one of the reasons why so many great comics came out of Boston.

[1491] It's because it's fucking cold.

[1492] And people don't have time for your bullshit.

[1493] And because of that, because of that lack of attention span or short attention span, like you, you, you, you, you, you, learn how to come out of the gate fast and you learn how to appreciate people's time and it's a way to show love isn't that weird for uh but as it's funny because people like i love most i'm closest with you know talk a lot of shit but like you have to earn that right yes it's it's funny like people some people walk into my life talking like like busted my ball and it's like well we're not there yet we're not right right right it's an interesting kind of uh well you have to know that they love you you know that that has to be underlying it all by the way i do think you guys are too rough on calend i'm just the i'm just a fan who showed up to comment in person he loves it he loves it he gets such a kick out of it he he brings it on himself but by the way he has the thickest skin of any fucking human i've ever met in my life never in all my years of knowing that guy and I've known count for 25 years, 25 fucking years.

[1494] Never have I seen him get upset at someone mocking him or insulting him, getting legitimately insulted by it.

[1495] I've never seen him, never.

[1496] It just goes like this.

[1497] Boing, bounces off, like rhino skin.

[1498] Like, he literally loses zero enthusiasm.

[1499] I mean, and it's not that he's not an introspective guy.

[1500] It's not that he's not an objective guy.

[1501] He has a unique ability to handle insults.

[1502] And he'll even re -broadcast those.

[1503] Like if his friends are shitting on him, he'll be like, can you believe these guys?

[1504] Like, openly disrespecting my age and my looks.

[1505] He's, he, he, it doesn't bother him.

[1506] He's got a great perspective.

[1507] He's a very unique guy, Brian Callan.

[1508] Very, very unique.

[1509] I don't know anyone like him.

[1510] So the, the silly song I have is written by him, actually.

[1511] It is?

[1512] Yeah.

[1513] I'm not kind of.

[1514] I talked to him, I texted him back and forth, but he uses words, whatever.

[1515] I'll tell you later.

[1516] Do you want to do the silly song first?

[1517] No, let me do the serious song first.

[1518] All right, here we go.

[1519] Should we calm ourselves?

[1520] Should we light some sage?

[1521] And I also have a question for you.

[1522] A big one?

[1523] You're going to go to the question first?

[1524] No, no, no. Oh, I'm going to leave me in anticipation.

[1525] No, I've got to ask you something about Trump.

[1526] Oh, really?

[1527] Yeah.

[1528] Demons.

[1529] Be gone.

[1530] See, Duncan Trusel was, speaking of demons be gone.

[1531] With a mask thing, he wore a mask.

[1532] Oh, yeah.

[1533] He was early on that.

[1534] Well, he also wore a gilly.

[1535] suit so let's not get carried away okay so my voice is terrible so this is more like a poem don't get in your own head man let it go my granddad was a soldier on the front in 41 the bullets took his brothers but his stubborn luck held on the sky was filled with fire Hate and love were all there And the world never the same Some days will sink in sadness And the way of them to talk Don't lose yourself to madness The way out is love When the New York Towers crumble We were all New Yorkers too For a moment all just human Not the same old red or blue And the wicket go on scheming For the power in the pain But the heart that longs for freedom Is a fire they'll never tame Some days will sink in sadness The weight of them too tough Don't lose yourself to madness The way out is long The virus took our comfort That was never ours to own When the enemy is inside us We're together but alone This life is so damn fragile A leaf caught by the wind but every breath that's tragic ignites a hope within some days will sink in sadness the way of them too tough don't lose yourself to madness the way out is love Lex Friedman ladies and gentlemen when's the album coming out?

[1536] No album ever What made you decide to want to come In front of millions of people and sing a song?

[1537] I don't know You just had the thought in your head?

[1538] I'm thinking about my...

[1539] Mix it up?

[1540] Mix it up.

[1541] A challenge like that four miles every...

[1542] Well, it's, okay, I'll tell you what...

[1543] Four hours.

[1544] It's kind of a challenge.

[1545] It scares the shit, I mean, it's the scariest thing ever.

[1546] But I also wanted to be a...

[1547] Because I kept thinking about for...

[1548] Last time I came on, I really wanted to play Hendricks.

[1549] And I actually had my guitar.

[1550] and I chickened out.

[1551] So I thought, okay, because it's actually technically really difficult to play in front of a lot of, you know, because you're not going to let me like try a few times, right?

[1552] Right.

[1553] I have to do it like without any mistakes.

[1554] And what happens if you try to play Hendricks, Hendrix on acoustic guitar is really tough to play because it's, it doesn't have, like it's easier to play Voodoo Chal with distortion because you can mess up and you can, it's also a nice blue scale, so you can let a ring, you can just jam out.

[1555] You can go Gary Clark Jr. mode.

[1556] But with acoustic, every mess -up has a, like, it's silence after.

[1557] So acoustic doesn't ring for a long time when you play individual notes.

[1558] It dies quickly.

[1559] So you can hear mess -ups really easily.

[1560] So I knew if I mess up, it's going to just sound bad, and I knew all would freak out and so on.

[1561] So I just thought to do something where I just strum chords, where I can't screw it up at all.

[1562] And then the virus thing just made me think, like I was talking to my dad a lot about my grandfather and just brought it, it made it so real to me because I studied World War II a lot, especially the Holocaust and all that, but like the fact that just learning about my grandfather just made it so real to me, it kind of connected everything together.

[1563] Plus there's a book I recommend people read is by Albert Camus.

[1564] called The Plague, that he wrote right after World War II, is, I don't know if you know if he is, he's like an existentialist philosopher, existentialists believe that, you know, you have to live, like life is absurd, life is suffering, and there's no meaning to it all.

[1565] You just have to live the moment and take each moment as it comes and live it to the fullest kind of idea.

[1566] So he described this town that got overtaken by the plague in the book, The Plague, and that kind of similar to bubonic plague, basically similar characteristics, and writes about how everybody reacts in different ways.

[1567] The main character is a doctor who basically sees the absurdity of the suffering around him, that there's no meaning to it all.

[1568] That's the thing about the virus.

[1569] Like with the Nazis and with wars, there's an enemy you can kind of trace back and understand what was happening but the virus it just seems like it comes out of nowhere yeah and it breaks the spine of the way we think of regular life like some people try to cling on to regular life as if nothing is happening which by the way it's kind of like what a lot of our society is doing right now we're not yet we haven't really felt the pain yet and and hopefully won't but there's this kind of dull the calm before the storm kind period.

[1570] And then some people become more religious.

[1571] They start to search for the bigger meaning of life outside of the material possessions.

[1572] And then the doctor represents the idea that no matter what he gives themselves fully to his craft of helping other human beings.

[1573] And overall, there's this story that this idea that suffering is just part of life and the only way there's a natural temptation when there's cruelty and suffering all around you to isolate yourself and to to withdraw from life because anything you do in life is going to lead to suffering you know dating like if you get married it's going to lead to suffering because eventually you're going to lose the people you love so there's a natural desire to withdraw but in fact what he found the doctrine what he saw around him is that love and compassion like giving yourself fully to the love of other human beings and to its community is the only way to deal with that kind of suffering that's uh to me it's a really profound story about like about love being the right response in a time of uh crisis of crisis that hits everybody like you want to kind of hide from it but it actually where more suffering happens.

[1574] So it's a kind of profound book that I recommend people to read.

[1575] Most people have read like in him in high school for this book called The Stranger.

[1576] But that one in particular seems so connected to us.

[1577] Oh, sorry.

[1578] He wrote in as an allegory for World War II.

[1579] So the plague in that case is the Nazis.

[1580] that it just hits out of nowhere.

[1581] His book was really popular.

[1582] I think in 1947 he wrote it as a kind of allegory of World War II, a way to talk about the virus that first infects the rats and then it affects the weaker humans and then affects everybody.

[1583] It was a connection and an allegory analogy to the Nazis.

[1584] And so I saw the connection to you now and the Nazis, of course, the scale there with World War II was much more intense and and finally just how like fragile this whole damn thing is like that my grandfather had probably single digit percentage chance of living you know like most people died most soldiers died in the especially in those early years of 1941 when the Nazis I think basically Stalin was using Russian soldiers and just human beings as human shields.

[1585] Yeah, just through bodies at the problem.

[1586] So the fact that my dad, my grandfather survived seems crazy.

[1587] Like, and I do all these things.

[1588] I'm here talking to you, wearing a stupid tie.

[1589] Like all of that is connected to like he somehow survived.

[1590] Like all those look ripple effects.

[1591] Me doing research, you know, I hope to impact like billions people one day.

[1592] You know, those like little ripple effects, like how fortunate I am to be part of that.

[1593] I mean, it just all seemed to be connected to me. So I wrote this.

[1594] Well, you have to go back before him, right?

[1595] I mean, he is here because someone want to fight with a rock, you know?

[1596] Some time in history, there was probably one of his ancestors that clubbed someone to death of the rock who was breaking into his house.

[1597] And not that many humans ago, as you put it.

[1598] Not that many humans go.

[1599] Not that many.

[1600] You know, if you go, like, let's think.

[1601] I mean, they're constantly pushing back the age of the oldest human.

[1602] They recently pushed it back even further.

[1603] See what that study said.

[1604] The age of the oldest human, they bump back another half a million years or so.

[1605] I think it was, I think they're talking about Australia Pythicus and another ancient human all lived together.

[1606] at the same time.

[1607] There's quite a few, quite a few different styles of human that, that live together at that same time.

[1608] By the way, at that time, sorry to interrupt, but at that time, along with humans lived, millions of viruses.

[1609] Oh, yeah, of course, yeah.

[1610] So they, they too, not to give any shout -outs to viruses, but they too survive because their grandparents have clubbed somebody over the head.

[1611] Well, Bill Hicks called people a virus with shoes.

[1612] You know, he was joking around, obviously.

[1613] But there's truth to that.

[1614] There's something to that in that what is, what is, if you stopped and think if you were a cow or a carrot or tomato plant or avocados or chickens or think of the things we fucking consume and think of the living things that we pull out of the ground and shove into our bodies and consume.

[1615] now think of that was something else think of that was you know if there was a population of animals like tuna that just got wiped out by something the way we wiped them out you go whoa like oh yeah there's a tuna virus and it's literally killed 80 % of all the tuna in the ocean we're down to like 20 % capacity in tuna like fuck man what happened yeah it's called sushi it's called people This virus with boats literally goes hundreds of miles out into sea with these giant fucking fiber nets that it's created.

[1616] And it sucks these things into the nets and pulls them out with giant cranes and dumped them into a refrigerated hull and then brings them back to shore to get cut up and sold.

[1617] Like, fuck, man. But at the same time, it's...

[1618] Tuna's delicious.

[1619] Not that, but also if you zoom out, it's kind of beautiful.

[1620] the way that life propagates is just beautiful.

[1621] So I've been reading a lot on viruses, and the way they work is incredible.

[1622] I would say viruses, there's obviously debate on whether the living or not.

[1623] It's just definitional, but they're like the simplest example of the beauty and power of the evolutionary process.

[1624] Because we humans are kind of complicated in terms of killing too, no, there's a lot of things going on in our bodies.

[1625] Like, viruses are the simplest possible.

[1626] I think they're living.

[1627] I think it's the simplest possible life form that just shows that anything is possible.

[1628] Like, all the damage that's being caused now with the coronavirus, that was like one, there's like one guy that mutated.

[1629] It jumped from a certain speed, we can trace the evolutionary path backwards.

[1630] There was a recent CNN article that was wondering, how long it's been around.

[1631] They were saying, see if you can find this.

[1632] Was COVID -19 around in humans longer than is currently believed?

[1633] They think it might have existed for months, if not years, before it broke loose and became a pandemic.

[1634] Oh, did it mutate?

[1635] Because it...

[1636] I don't know.

[1637] I didn't read the article.

[1638] So what...

[1639] Video, not an article.

[1640] Oh, it's not?

[1641] Yeah.

[1642] You say CNN?

[1643] CNN.

[1644] Fake news.

[1645] Yeah, fake news.

[1646] You heard me, bitch.

[1647] Yeah.

[1648] Where'd you learn that?

[1649] CNN?

[1650] They're still just, it's the news, folks.

[1651] It's the news.

[1652] Leading scientists tell CNN that it's, listen, CNN's trying to do their best, but they have perception that other people don't agree with, just like everybody else.

[1653] Leading scientists tell CNN that it's possible the virus didn't just come from bats in the past months, but it may have existed in humans many months, even years before it grew into a deadly pandemic.

[1654] CNN's Nick Paulton Walsh reports.

[1655] By the way, CNN is not doing a good job.

[1656] I think the entire...

[1657] What are they doing bad?

[1658] The incentive, like, they're choking out the investigative, deep investigative journalism.

[1659] It's exactly what you just said.

[1660] The clickbait, like, look at the title.

[1661] Look at the...

[1662] I think they're trying to stay alive.

[1663] Well, yeah, but that's a problem.

[1664] I think it is a problem, but I think in the defense of particularly online journalism, I think they're trying to stay alive.

[1665] I don't think it's a good time for journalism now But from what I understand The only thing that keeps New York Times functional Is the podcast The podcast, yeah The podcast is huge And that podcast earns a lot of money But that's not That means they need to innovate They need to become the podcast Does it?

[1666] Well, we need the fucking New York Times though The problem is they need to figure out a way To make money off of it But we need the top of the food chain Journalism, right?

[1667] And that's what the Times has always represented We need them So when someone has done something for the Times, it's not so good or flawed, yeah, okay, but it's still not, that one person, that one article, whatever it is, is not The Times.

[1668] The Times stands for something, right?

[1669] What the New York Times is supposed to stand for, what it always did when I was a kid, and it does now to a lot of people still, it's the cream of the crop.

[1670] It's the very best journalism.

[1671] It's the very best.

[1672] It's the ones that have the deepest insight, the ones that nail it.

[1673] and we'd like it free of bias but it's run by humans you know this is the problem with CNN it's the problem with any news source but we still need news sources but it's run by humans they need high salaries and there's a huge amount of people involved in making that system that is a CNN so there's several mechanisms of innovation required first like this podcast here podcast in general require very few people to run now that there's an infrastructure to community communicate with a lot of people and then there's the Wikipedia model yeah so like Wikipedia is thousands of contributors that creates extremely strong factual information yeah and that's not like like this is very little money required to run Wikipedia incredibly so so there are some journalists out there that are online though that are thriving because of the problems with legacy media it's an opportunity.

[1674] It represents, for God's like Tim Poole, my friend Tim Poole.

[1675] YouTube.

[1676] Tim Poole's a fantastic journalist.

[1677] He's, he's really objective.

[1678] You might disagree with him or you might not find his perspective to be in the line with yours, but that guy is, he holds those journalistic ethics at the highest level.

[1679] I mean, it's the highest standard with him.

[1680] It's everything.

[1681] And when you read his take on, or see him make a take on things, He is giving you the most honest, objective take on it possible, and it's really hard to get that from a network.

[1682] First of all, it's really hard to get what he does for a network because you're going to get these giant chunks where he can talk about something for as long as it takes to describe what the issue is.

[1683] Whereas CNN has a segment, man. That segment is fucking seven minutes long.

[1684] You better be done by seven minutes.

[1685] We're going a commercial, and then we're coming back with Don Lemon, and he's got a sassy take on things.

[1686] And then Andrew Cooper's got new glasses.

[1687] Look at that, handsome bastard.

[1688] And then they're all going to talk about shit, and you've got to listen.

[1689] And it's Trump is bad, coronavirus deadly.

[1690] And holy shit, Chris Cuomo's got it.

[1691] Let's go to Chris.

[1692] He's in his basement.

[1693] And then you see Chris in his basement with Sanjay Gupta.

[1694] And they're holding up chest x -rays.

[1695] You know, they have, there's segments, man. Segments are bullshit.

[1696] Yeah.

[1697] It's dumb.

[1698] You have these standards that you've created a long fucking time ago.

[1699] And this is the biggest handicap that legacy media has.

[1700] other than their inability to be free like a guy like Tim Poole is.

[1701] He's an independent.

[1702] They can't be free like he is.

[1703] You have too many working pieces, too many producers, too many people that are telling you what direction of the set.

[1704] There's people that bring you the segments.

[1705] You're a talking head.

[1706] There's a lot of shit going on there, man. A lot of shit going on there.

[1707] Well, but you have to innovate and you have to make more.

[1708] I actually disagree with you about Tim Poole.

[1709] I mean, I think it's impossible to be perfectly objective or whatever.

[1710] He's just one voice.

[1711] He tries to be perfectly objective.

[1712] He tries to be as objective as he can be.

[1713] No, I know.

[1714] You need to aspire to it and not be polluted by other influences.

[1715] But I can see people, like, I think I'm objective, but I have very different views than Tim Poole on some things and not others.

[1716] Well, there's subjective objectivity, isn't there?

[1717] I don't know.

[1718] Only one of us is just smoked.

[1719] Is it possible?

[1720] But people can look at things.

[1721] Like you have an idea, a subjective idea of what something means when you're looking at it objectively.

[1722] So you're looking at a thing objectively.

[1723] You're being honest about what it says.

[1724] But you also have preconceived notions of what each individual aspect of that certain thing means and what's good and what's bad.

[1725] That's where the subjective aspect of objectivity comes in.

[1726] When you look at certain things that happen, there's certain ways you can look at something and not have a bias, but look at something and you have a preconceived.

[1727] idea of what aspects of it should or should not be tolerated and maybe sometimes it takes someone else to come along and say okay well why do you hold these beliefs so yeah you're absolutely right but the problem is that based on your skill set and your momentum in history you might look at a very particular aspect objectively yeah and not see the bigger picture for sure so like Tim Poole has revealed and has focused on certain aspects of problems in the system and he continues to focus on them maybe not seeing the bigger picture that's impossible for any one person to see the bigger picture I think like I tend to I tend to see in a lot of things the beauty of things and focus on the positive you talk about that even with viruses even with viruses there's you can but is that not objective like if I beauty is not an objective word but I just mean well it's kind of is what we're just saying There's a subjective aspect to your objective view of a virus.

[1728] Right, but it's choosing on which parts I focus in on.

[1729] And also the other thing is choosing the ways you talk about it.

[1730] So the ways you reveal that objectivity.

[1731] You can be positive, you can be negative, you can be very cold and fact -based.

[1732] You can be very flamboyant and very kind of excited, use a lot of visuals, all those kinds of things.

[1733] And all of that changes the way the message is carried.

[1734] is why we should have thousands of Tim Pools as opposed to sort of...

[1735] Well, I think they're going to spring up out of the void that's been created by this distrust in legacy media.

[1736] Especially now...

[1737] I don't know if you've been paying attention, but, like, YouTube, there's so many people, like, my brother has not, like, put the camera on themselves, right?

[1738] And say their opinions.

[1739] Yeah.

[1740] You know, say, like, he's doing, like, a bunch of reviews of scientific papers, like, they're all, like, they started a show.

[1741] Like, there's so many just, there's thousands of shows springing up.

[1742] Dude, there's 900 ,000 podcasts.

[1743] Yeah, it's crazy.

[1744] Oh, it's over a million now, I think.

[1745] It's hit a million.

[1746] When did they hit a million?

[1747] Probably last week.

[1748] I'm for sure people starting podcasts right now.

[1749] It's a crazy number.

[1750] Well, especially now, right?

[1751] While they're on lockdown, people are doing like the lockdown chronicles.

[1752] I think it's a symbol of where we're going, right?

[1753] You're becoming, look, when I do this thing, I'm doing this thing four or five days a week.

[1754] becoming more connected with people in some weird way that no one ever thought it was ever going to happen before where there's people that are listening to my voice right now in their ear while they're running right a lot not a small amount if you could see the actual number of people right now with earbuds in running listening to this podcast you'd be like whoa that's kind of crazy stay hard you're running stay hard motherfucker but run faster right now this kind of connection is is a it's a dip into the next dimension that's what this is and it seemed like it wasn't it seemed like it was just a radio show you're doing on the internet but then somewhere along the line became this weird thing and that's what it is now podcasts are a weird thing especially one that reaches the numbers of people that this one reaches and for that to be in my hands is a weird position and i'm uh you know while it's happening i'm like oh look how fucking strange this is Huh.

[1755] I didn't anticipate this.

[1756] I always anticipated this being some weirdo, fringe thing that very few people would connect with, which is why I never tried to censor it at all.

[1757] I tried to do a vast majority of it completely high out of my mind and hang out with fun people and just talk shit and have a good time and not have a different perspective.

[1758] Some people have a public voice and a private voice.

[1759] I try to have the same voice.

[1760] Just be me. just do that um this is why i tell people when they say what what's joe like behind the scenes that'd be awesome if you're totally different but i just tell them it's the same same guy it's just this is awesome wouldn't it be a bummer if someone was like a super dick behind the scenes yeah and i've yeah that'd be a bummer or like you don't have to be a super dick but it's just a totally different person like put it on an act yeah like a minute you put on that miniskirt dick off the tattoos hug those curves baby but the point is i what i think this is is a step into the way humans are going and this is just one step that we didn't think was a step it's a podcast i thought it was just like a radio show that you do on the internet but it's it's not for some reason it's more involved and more entangled and more intense and then and then also it has an impact right i can get guys like austral home on to talk about stuff we can get an understanding of these things by the way he was wrong about masks but he didn't know at that time yeah that was not that long ago isn't that interesting that they didn't know about masks And for example, he was incorrect about a few things, but it doesn't, I'm not going to point him out, it doesn't matter because he was stating the best available knowledge at the time.

[1761] Well, he was also incorrect about CWD with chronic wasting disease, not being an elk and some other ungulates.

[1762] He was wrong about that.

[1763] My friend Doug Duren corrected that to me, sent a text to me about it, that he'd listened to a few of the aspects of that podcast, and he was like he's incorrect about several things.

[1764] He was correct in the dangers of CWD, which is chronic wasting disease, which is a disease that they are absolutely terrified, I was going to make the jump from animals to people.

[1765] It's very similar to like a mad cow disease, but it has its own preons.

[1766] And that he also sent me a text to explain that preons are not actually alive.

[1767] They're not a living thing.

[1768] It's like a protein or a type of protein.

[1769] Is that what it is?

[1770] Prion.

[1771] No sure.

[1772] Whatever the fuck it is.

[1773] can't kill it.

[1774] It's almost impossible to kill.

[1775] They can sterilize it for three cycles of like medical sterilization techniques and for three cycles of like insane temperatures.

[1776] And there's still trace elements of preons on the medical equipment.

[1777] It's a crazy thing.

[1778] If that gets into people, we have a real huge problem.

[1779] So this is a real dress rehearsal.

[1780] If you've seen all these people that are recovering from this, there's nobody recovering from chronic waste and disease.

[1781] No one.

[1782] every deer that gets it dies they all die and they die in a horrible way their body rots away and they're walking around like a skeleton and they're vomiting all this goo and slime that comes out of them that's infected with CWD and these animals come along and eat those leaves that they were eating and that they threw up on and then they get it too it's crazy and the stuff even can get apparently into the DNA of some plants the one of the really interesting things that's amazing on a positive note is that it seems like we haven't seen a virus that's both or any kind of thing that jumps to humans that's both deadly and spreads easily.

[1783] So like there's viruses that...

[1784] Like Ebola.

[1785] Like Ebola, like that kills, like crazy but doesn't spread too easily.

[1786] And there's viruses that spread easily but don't kill.

[1787] There's no...

[1788] In terms of biology, in terms of biology, there's no good reason why that should be the fact.

[1789] But isn't that just how the world works in general and systems?

[1790] I mean, look at humans.

[1791] We have a spectacular ability to control our environment.

[1792] We have the ability to use materials from the outside world and construct them into weapons that lets you kill at distance.

[1793] But we're made out of jelly donuts.

[1794] We're like this soft bag of shit.

[1795] Like even a really hard person, a knife goes right through them.

[1796] you know we're really mushy whereas like a water buffalo is dumb as fuck but god damn are they tough you know there's a balance to this there is but that's a kind of romantic notion that i don't know if it applies like the biology and the physics of it doesn't make sense it doesn't but when would it change when would it become something that does tip that scale and become something more catastrophic well if you were looking at objectively outside the system you would say well when one part of the system becomes overbearingly powerful.

[1797] That's us.

[1798] That's humans.

[1799] I mean, we're, we're that virus.

[1800] Well, we are on everything.

[1801] We are rats on a sinking ship.

[1802] We're on every little patch of land.

[1803] You find spots in Antarctica.

[1804] You find people taking shits, digging holes in the ground to bury it.

[1805] And hopefully soon on Mars and the rest of the solar system.

[1806] If you want to do that, yeah, there's the numbers that we have right now are fucking incredible.

[1807] We've propagated the whole globe.

[1808] Well, ants are still biomass -wise, yeah.

[1809] Far -head of us.

[1810] Yeah, but they don't do shit.

[1811] And viruses are really ahead of us.

[1812] Yeah.

[1813] Like most viruses are running the show.

[1814] We're just like a little fun.

[1815] Right, but in terms of the impact on the planet, I don't think you can make it.

[1816] Like ants might have the same, they have the same biomass as us, right?

[1817] In total volume, yeah.

[1818] Yeah.

[1819] So there's the weight of ants is the same as the weight of all the people.

[1820] That's how many ants there are, which is pretty crazy.

[1821] We stop and think about it.

[1822] But they don't have the same impact in terms of what their impact on other creatures, like the tuna that we're pulling out of sea, their impact on the pollution.

[1823] But viruses, in the other hand.

[1824] Viruses can, they can ruin a whole species.

[1825] A whole, even, you know, certain like microorganisms.

[1826] They can just kill everything.

[1827] Yeah.

[1828] And.

[1829] Well, plagues.

[1830] What is the most?

[1831] devastating historical plague black death and how many did that kill 200 million 200 million mostly in europe that number is crazy well spanish fluids is 50 million 200 million makes you just step and go whoa no social media though so we don't i mean it's death that's forgotten well not only that death it was probably left to rot out in the streets and horrendous and smells and people didn't understand viruses and diseases back then smallpox i would say like when i talked to virologists they say smallpox is the scariest of them all until we develop the vaccine but smallpox you you uh native americans you i mean they decimated smallpox estimated probably i don't know what the number is but more than 50 million yeah the number's supposed to be stunning in some places as many as 90 percent were killed by European diseases, small packs, and the like, 90%.

[1832] That's, I mean, imagine something that just comes to American, wipes out 90 % of us.

[1833] And then you understand what it must have been like for the Native Americans when they encounter the European diseases that the Europeans had already developed antibodies for.

[1834] Just everyone around you is dying.

[1835] Imagine that.

[1836] 90%.

[1837] You know, I mean, we're looking at something that's, right, what is the global death rate?

[1838] I mean, it's kind of thrown off because of Italy.

[1839] because Italy has a very high death rate in terms of people that get infected.

[1840] Well, you often confuse death rate.

[1841] So if you look at the deaths divided by the population, that number is, okay, I want to be careful saying small, ever.

[1842] But it's a very small percentage.

[1843] No, I understand.

[1844] What I'm saying, though, is overall the number of people, the percentage of people that have died from this and then compare that to the impact that smallpox had on Native Americans.

[1845] and you'd be like, whoa.

[1846] The difference between 90 % of the population gets killed and the high in Italy is, what is the percentage of death?

[1847] I think it's 10 % of people who get it are dying.

[1848] Right?

[1849] No. It's definitely a way lower than that.

[1850] In Italy, I thought it was 10%.

[1851] I mean, it's possible.

[1852] I haven't been too close to following it.

[1853] I think Italy is an outlier, and it's really high.

[1854] Usually the way they get that number is dividing by the number of cases.

[1855] Okay, Italy, Corona, no, this list, look, it's right there, man. Coronavirus cases, 135 ,000, deaths, 17 ,000.

[1856] The problem is those cases were the reported cases.

[1857] So you don't know.

[1858] Right.

[1859] Right, you're saying there's a lot of people that just weren't tested.

[1860] They weren't tested.

[1861] Right, but isn't that kind of like the Nielsen's?

[1862] Like, you kind of look at it.

[1863] You have to just divide by.

[1864] And then, you know, no, no, because I don't know how the news this works, but this is not randomly sampled.

[1865] So if they randomly sample the population and then look at the deaths per, that would be more statistically accurate.

[1866] This is just people who have reported.

[1867] So that it could.

[1868] But don't you think that a bunch of people could have died from the coronavirus and they didn't attribute to them to that?

[1869] Yes.

[1870] So it could be higher than that.

[1871] It could be higher.

[1872] Okay.

[1873] That's what I'm thinking too.

[1874] But that's what they're saying in America as well, by the way.

[1875] Yeah.

[1876] You're saying there's a bunch of people that die and they don't know what to do and they don't have the tests.

[1877] But it's currently given the tests, it's much more likely that the number is lower, meaning that it's just we're not testing, we're not testing nearly enough.

[1878] So if we randomly, so Iceland did this random.

[1879] The test is lower, I'm sorry, for deaths or for infections?

[1880] For deaths.

[1881] For infections as well, though, right?

[1882] Yeah, for infections, yeah.

[1883] Oh, sorry, yeah, for infections.

[1884] but you need the infection number to calculate the percentage of the deaths correctly.

[1885] So you have to test, I don't know what the percentage is, but it's a very large percentage of population, probably 20, 30 % of the population.

[1886] You have to sample randomly, not people who are showing symptoms, not people who are, like, no, just sample randomly.

[1887] You know, get that number accurately.

[1888] There's something about every apocalyptic movie, is something that happens where you realize that these people have accepted a new normal.

[1889] You know?

[1890] Yeah.

[1891] Whether it's Mad Max or a quiet place.

[1892] You ever see that scary movie?

[1893] Is that what it's called, Jamie?

[1894] Quiet Place is a movie about aliens that come here, and you've got to be real quiet around them to fuck you up.

[1895] So what do you think is the new normal here?

[1896] Well, how about social distancing?

[1897] I've been watching a lot of movies because we have movie night at home every night and, you know, watching movies where people are hugging and shaking hands.

[1898] It feels weird.

[1899] It's weird.

[1900] Like that, that's the new normal.

[1901] Like, if that was in a movie or a dystopian version of the future on a Hulu show, like the Handmaid Tales, that's that, Handmaid's Tale?

[1902] Handmaid's Tale.

[1903] I had to quit that one.

[1904] I was like, this is too, I'm not going to get anything good out of this.

[1905] This is going to bum me out.

[1906] Too much touching you?

[1907] No, no, it's just too, the dystopian version of the future is too depressing.

[1908] It was too awful.

[1909] Great, great show, but I'm like, cool.

[1910] You don't think we'll come back to hugging and, I don't know, man. I don't know, but I'm saying if there was a movie or a television show where people behaved with social distancing and everyone was afraid of everyone's viruses, like the reality that we're experiencing right now, if there's a television show like that, you'd be like, what?

[1911] What kind of weird fucking show is this?

[1912] You would think it's so strange that there's a virus that makes New York City quiet.

[1913] Like drive down New York City, you see a car.

[1914] There's a second car.

[1915] Yeah.

[1916] There's a third car.

[1917] It's deserted.

[1918] My friend John Joseph sent me some videos of him, uh, Ryan.

[1919] ride this bike around New York and he's like look how fucking crazy this is there's no one out here there's no one out here and he's you know turning his phone and showing all these empty streets it's weird it's weird to see real weird yeah like you know like airports all that so you flew here by yourself on a plane I'm by myself there was no one else on the plane with you but they still fly yeah and nobody behaved like that's nobody treated me special wow yeah what was surreal is um that the airport's empty but they're fully staffed because you still want to give I think I think part of the stimulus package is giving money to the airline so you want to make sure people stay employed and make sure the planes are still running that's so crazy that they're flying with one guy and you had a private flight private flight across the current did you lay back and take up all the seats and switch seats in the middle of flight like no I just trying not to get freaked out I watched what is it Tiger King No. Do you get any booze?

[1920] Are they serving booze on the plane?

[1921] No, no, no, no, no liquids, nothing.

[1922] They don't serve anything.

[1923] No. Because they don't want to touch you, right?

[1924] Yeah, I don't think they've interacted with me at all.

[1925] No interaction with you.

[1926] No. You, the one guy on the plane, they don't even ask.

[1927] How you doing?

[1928] You all right?

[1929] No, they were all wearing masks.

[1930] I was wearing a mask.

[1931] Oh.

[1932] It was, but they were friendly.

[1933] I would say the least friendly.

[1934] And that was weird going to the airport is there's nobody.

[1935] Everybody's working, and it's just me and my stupid mask.

[1936] It was definitely, it was surreal.

[1937] But it seemed okay.

[1938] The thing that I don't like is how people behave at grocery stores.

[1939] It's the thing you've said, actually, is they like, they don't want to get close to you.

[1940] It's strange.

[1941] It's so strange.

[1942] They're almost like afraid of this.

[1943] And that really worries me because it has a potential of just separating us, damaging the sense of community.

[1944] There's long -term ramifications If we keep this and not hugging each other shit up And we'll have to all be aware of that fact Like this is This has to be temporary Well once they come up with a A remedy, a cure If you just know that all you have to do is go to the doctor And the doctor's going to give you a thing And you're going to be fine Like staff infections Have you gotten staff from JGSV yet?

[1945] No Well it can fucking kill you You have to take care of it Staff can kill you And there's a lot of people that don't even know what it is and you get infected and then it gets systemic gets into your blood and you know there's a lot of people that just don't know any better and they're not good at going to the doctor and they develop some sort of infection and by the time they go somewhere and take care of it it's really bad and they're in trouble like they could die you know but thank god they have fucking medicine for that at least they can give you a fighting chance so people aren't afraid of jiu jihitsu you still do jiu jizu even though people get staff.

[1946] You know, I know a bunch of people that have gotten staff from training a lot.

[1947] They could all be dead if it wasn't for remedies, right?

[1948] If it wasn't for antibiotics, if it wasn't for, you know, taking the proper care and treating it, apparently some people have treated staff organically.

[1949] And Rhonda Pactcher was actually talking about, I think she had MRSA at one point.

[1950] And as part of the treatment, along with antibiotics, she introduced garlic into, into the actual wound itself.

[1951] And apparently that had a pretty profound effect.

[1952] Oh, man. I'd love to see the studies on that.

[1953] I wish I remember what she said about that.

[1954] She usually comes with studies.

[1955] Oh, she's got a fuckload.

[1956] She's got studies about everything.

[1957] She's the smartest people I've ever talked to.

[1958] Actually, I haven't followed what she's saying now on the virus.

[1959] I'd be curious to see.

[1960] She's talking about different nutrients that support your immune system, particularly vitamin D. She takes a lot of vitamin D. But she's just talked about all the various forms, whether it's through sauna or cold plunges.

[1961] She doesn't want to turn me on to that, all that stuff, heat shock proteins, cold shock proteins, and the impact of it.

[1962] And there's some videos that you could find online of her talking about it.

[1963] She's also written some articles about it, and she's just a huge fan of that hormetic response and how important that is to your system, keeps your system healthy.

[1964] Dude, I've been doing it seven days a week, which I wasn't doing before.

[1965] Sawna?

[1966] Yeah, seven days a week.

[1967] I do it now.

[1968] And you just do salt, you jump in.

[1969] Do you do the cold?

[1970] No, I haven't been doing cold.

[1971] I want to get a cold plunge thing here.

[1972] I think I'm going to get something and replace one of my, not in this room, bathroom out there.

[1973] What's a cold plunge?

[1974] You mean like a tub full of ice water?

[1975] Yeah, like that one of them big steel tubs and you throw bags of ice in there.

[1976] And I'm going to get an ice machine and just turn that room into a freeze your dick off room.

[1977] Yeah.

[1978] That's my next move.

[1979] I've done it a few times.

[1980] It's awesome.

[1981] It's tough.

[1982] It's tough.

[1983] It's tough for you, right?

[1984] It's good for you.

[1985] Yeah.

[1986] Well, I think that those making your body deal with those responses makes it stronger.

[1987] I'll tell you what, man. I've been working out a lot because of this lockdown.

[1988] I've been doing a lot of Muay Thai too, a lot of hitting, punching, and kicking shit.

[1989] And that always makes me really sore.

[1990] It makes my joint sore.

[1991] And that fucking sauna every day is kind of knocked all that out.

[1992] I feel great, you know, and I've been throwing a lot of power kicks and punches and all this shit and everything feels good.

[1993] Everything feels real good.

[1994] I just think there's a giant benefit to doing that at a regular basis.

[1995] You can buy one and put in your backyard.

[1996] If you have that kind of scratch, I say do it.

[1997] I'm telling you.

[1998] What's the temperature of the water?

[1999] Well, sauna is dry.

[2000] Oh, is it a sauna, it's dry sauna?

[2001] Oh, you mean like a dry sand.

[2002] sauna yeah not a jacuzzi bro those are probably good for you too but uh man i thought it was like a wet one it was uh no like a steam room yeah the problem with that is you can't get as hot because you'll cook you know okay like if you have 190 degree air you're okay if you get in 190 degree water you're gonna die oh with the steam room you're essentially i mean you're in a liquid exactly you're gonna die you're going to get cooked so heat going dry up on the heat dry heat you can tolerate i mean i throw a little water on it um there's actually a little scale in the sauna it's like the top of it is the degrees and the bottom of it is the humidity and you're supposed to calculate those and find out exactly how how hot it feels but um either way you throw a little bit of water i throw three scrups three little spoonfuls of water on that bit sit there and just sit there and fucking suffer and when you get out of there, everything just feels looser and more relaxed.

[2003] As soon as your body comes back to a normal temperature, you just feel so much better.

[2004] It's so valuable, man. Well, exercise right now, I highly recommend.

[2005] What are you doing?

[2006] Because you can't go to Jiu -Jitsu, and you were doing a lot of that, so what are you doing for your exercise?

[2007] So body weight.

[2008] I do have a cowbell, but I kind of avoid it because it's like hell.

[2009] It's too intense for me. How much does it weigh?

[2010] the 30 30 30 pounds yeah so it's hell um i'm trying to remember if it's kilograms or pounds it's probably 35 pounds it's probably if it's 30 kilograms that's heavy as fuck yeah no it's not 30 never mind 30 kilograms is what 65 pounds yeah so what that is so it's something that kills me if i do like swings and basic stuff for 30 minutes okay like probably 35 pounds yeah but i don't like kettle keith weber do you ever done his uh series he's been on the podcast before is this extreme kettlebell cardio workout that we sell it on it but I found out about it we sell it because I found out about it.

[2011] I found out about it I believe through I think if I just found it on the internet I got a DVD and it's brutal man and I was like one little 35 pound kettlebell I'm like bitch ass little wave the fuck's that I'm going to do dude four minutes in I'm like how long is this?

[2012] 40 minutes there's no fucking way And I is some of the sorrest that I had been in a long time was just one 35 pound kettlebell doing this this extreme kettlebell cardio routineity put together.

[2013] It's got two of them too.

[2014] I think he might have three.

[2015] He definitely has two of them.

[2016] They're fucking brutal.

[2017] But it's mostly swing bait like you're most in your feet.

[2018] Oh, no, bro.

[2019] You're doing everything, bitch.

[2020] Okay.

[2021] You're doing, you're doing windmills.

[2022] You're doing hot potatoes.

[2023] You're doing Renegade Rose.

[2024] You know, you're doing everything, man. You're doing cleans, overhead presses, and squats, and it's just a nonstop.

[2025] And he gives you these little breaks that last like 10 or 15 seconds, and then boom, you're moving to the next exercise.

[2026] And you're like, holy shit.

[2027] And you realize how much work you can get in with just a kettlebell.

[2028] Just a little bit, yeah.

[2029] Yeah, like people like, oh, I got no room for a gym.

[2030] If you can afford a kettlebell, please just buy a kettle.

[2031] You don't have to buy it on a kettlebell on it.

[2032] They're probably out of stock.

[2033] stock it on it yeah we i mean people really because there's no gyms are all closed so you don't know what to do so you know who else makes great shit rogue maybe rogue has them they make awesome kettlebells they make awesome everywhere they here is this keith weber my man so this fucking workout goes on for and he's shredded look at my boy keith look at him showing you how to get your fuck muscles going but he's um this is him uh explaining the correct way to do kettlebell swings but um i i i i I don't, I mean, you can get a lot of his workouts online.

[2034] There's a lot of workouts online from people.

[2035] If you've got a YouTube account, or a computer that gets online, go to YouTube and find these kettlebell workouts that people put online for free.

[2036] Because they put a great workout up there for free just so that you subscribe to their page.

[2037] You know, they'll give you some value, and what you're giving them is a large audience.

[2038] It's some fucking great workouts, body weight workouts as well that are free.

[2039] free videos online follow along and you could do everything from your living room and you can get blasted I mean you could have a crazy workout from a lot of videos there's so many of them I do I do more chill kind of working out so I run for longer distances so I what I recommend if you're not as intense is uh as run I got I run about six to eight miles every day and push -ups and body weight squats.

[2040] I love body -weight squats.

[2041] Body -weight squats are always surprising to me how much they can kill you.

[2042] Like everyone who thinks they're badass, even can squat a lot, right?

[2043] Even if you can squat like, I don't know, 400, 500, 600 pounds, try to do 50 bodyweight squats.

[2044] like something happens what's the most you've ever done in a row I don't I've I know I usually start suffering at 20 and maybe I've done 40 before I don't know but I have a yeah why you can get up you can get up to really high numbers and it's a glorious form of torture and it's crazy how much it develops your legs particularly the quads like right above the knee, you know, these little muscles that are on the side, like, that hurts from Hindu squats more than fucking anything I've done ever.

[2045] It targets those so uniquely, because when you're at the bottom, when your heel is up and you're on the ball, your foot, and you rise up, it's like all that muscle for the whole beginning of the rise.

[2046] It's all that part of the quad right by the knee.

[2047] It's a really unique way to target that muscle.

[2048] And guys who do it a lot, like a lot of those dudes, are really in a catch -react.

[2049] wrestling they would do like 500 a day every day they all have these like preposterous legs and that was like a big part of the development of their strength was just doing ridiculous numbers of hindu squats and you can also do like i usually uh i used to do them a lot like especially when i competed in the jjitsu wrestling i would do a lot of them and i would also like jump so like you you explode into the squads as opposed to sort of slow but that you know do you ever hear carl gotch yeah the catch wrestling guy yeah yeah carl gotch was famous for his body weight conditioning programs he was a just a stickler for having his wrestlers be an insane physical condition it was a prerequisite for training with him like that's awesome yeah no he had a preposterous workout i think he was really into clubs too was it like i think he was really into those club bells and a bunch of other those other kinds of workouts too but i actually uh competed in a couple of cats match wrestling tournaments.

[2050] Did you realize?

[2051] That's cool.

[2052] What are the rules?

[2053] You can get pinned, right?

[2054] Yeah, you can be a pin.

[2055] It felt so weird because I won a couple matches by pin, and it felt like this is so stupid.

[2056] This is so stupid.

[2057] I didn't even submit the guy.

[2058] It felt, oh, and I did a lot of interesting things, so I would, I pulled butterfly guard a few times, so meaning you can get pinned, but you don't get points for an almost.

[2059] almost pinned.

[2060] Okay.

[2061] So you can play guard as long as you don't get your back.

[2062] You have to elevate.

[2063] You have to elevate regularly.

[2064] So I don't think you can get pinned if you didn't get past the legs.

[2065] Oh, okay.

[2066] So as long as you're in the butterfly guard, even if you're flat on your back, if you have him in your butterfly guard, he's not pinning you.

[2067] Yeah.

[2068] Of course, it was confusing the refs and stuff.

[2069] But it was just that it was cool because the guys that did it, it felt more like, like, like you see back in like tank abbot days and it was more ghetto it was uh people wearing wrestling shoes and you can kind of see them they just got off of their like uh wrestling shoes yeah so you can you heel hook them yeah i think so i'm trying i think yeah full out everything's legal that is a weird choice to wear wrestling shoes someone can heel hook you unless you're like a heel hook dean lister master one of those gary tonin type dudes that knows how to do it from every angle.

[2070] Like for them, actually, I would say like if pride was still around, pride let you wear wrestling shoes, there is a significant advantage from being able to wear wrestling shoes, significant, not just for your wrestling, but also for your striking.

[2071] And Crow cop wore wrestling shoes for a little bit.

[2072] Crow cop head kicked someone with wrestling shoes on.

[2073] I remember, I don't remember who it was.

[2074] Might have been Mark Hunt.

[2075] And I remember thinking, fuck, man, he could kick people.

[2076] with shoes on, that almost seems nuts.

[2077] Because the amount of traction that you can get from a rubber sole with texture on the bottom of it versus just your foot, your slippery -ass bullshit foot, that's slipping around on the canvas.

[2078] With your wrestling shoes on, you get traction when it's wet.

[2079] You get traction everywhere, you know?

[2080] Like, even if there's like a puddle on the floor, you get traction with a wrestling shoe where you wouldn't get it with a bare foot.

[2081] Yeah.

[2082] But at the same time, it's kind of weird that we're bare feet.

[2083] It is kind of weird, but it's not.

[2084] I think you should be bare, well, I should be naked.

[2085] I used to think, yes, you should have a heart on or you can't fight.

[2086] I used to think that you should have to have no gloves, but then I've been watching this bare -knuckle boxing and people's faces get fucked up so bad.

[2087] You see Chris Lieben?

[2088] You fought Dakota Cochran, and his face looked like someone hit him with a machete.

[2089] It was crazy.

[2090] The most enormous scar I've ever seen on a man's face in a fight.

[2091] So now I'm starting to rethink that.

[2092] Like maybe those knuckles are just...

[2093] Yeah, something about blood.

[2094] No, it's not that.

[2095] It's about damage to your tissue.

[2096] I'm not worried about the blood.

[2097] I'm worried about scarring people up for life.

[2098] What about Yohanna?

[2099] Her injury.

[2100] Crazy, right?

[2101] Yeah, it was crazy.

[2102] Yohanna and Wei Lee.

[2103] I didn't check in.

[2104] Is she okay?

[2105] Yep, she's fine now.

[2106] Her swelling has all gone down, but she had black eyes for a couple weeks.

[2107] I mean all that fluid she had in her forehead She's so tough, man She's so tough She's such a savage That was a great fight She's so admirable Like watching the way she fought that fight Both of them are But it was such a back and forth Brawl of a fight It was so perfectly matched That was a draw or I mean you can make the argument You want a won You could make the argument Wayley won You can make the argument It was a draw You can make any of those arguments Because that's how close the fight was it's all like what you think about this one there's a lot of people that thought you want to want it but the most important thing is juana fought like a champion i mean they both fought like champions wayley fought like a champion it was about as good a fight as you're ever going to get so evenly matched so perfect so much heart and conditioning and skill they had everything everything spectacular fight i actually forgot the other fight on the card that's how good that fight was the other fight was the other fight was the other fight was was style bender versus yo romero it was forgetful it was it was a fight that was forgettable uh it seemed like huge huge beforehand by the way who you got in terms of do you think ferguson and uh could be will go down who knows man not a fucking not if something happens this weekend justin gaugie's a monster justin gaugie is a monster he's a monster he's a terrifying individual he is i mean in a sport that's violent.

[2108] It's an inherently violent sport.

[2109] He stands out as the most violent.

[2110] You know how crazy it is?

[2111] I mean, you watched his knockout of Edson Barbosa.

[2112] You watch how that motherfucker attacks people.

[2113] There's a reckless abandon to his calculated wildness.

[2114] That is, it's terrifying.

[2115] He's something special and he's better all the time.

[2116] The question is, how much has he been training?

[2117] he's taking a fight on very short notice he's taking the fight on essentially two weeks notice also it might be kind of weird to train now in these coronavirus times sure training partners i don't know well ray longo who i respect very much said that fighters shouldn't be fighting because i don't know if he said they shouldn't be fighting but he said he definitely felt like it wasn't fair to the fighters because they don't have a full camp they're not going to be able to show who they really are it's a really good point man it's a really good point man it's a really good point this is a, you know, a wild situation where there's a guy who's going to fight for the interim title.

[2118] He gets the call.

[2119] Look, that's also how Nate Diaz beat Connor McGregor in their first fight.

[2120] Remember that?

[2121] That was 11 days out.

[2122] Yeah.

[2123] They call Nate Diaz.

[2124] He's eating tacos.

[2125] Fucking drinking tequila in Mexico.

[2126] And probably doing triathlons, but.

[2127] Well, on the side, for sure.

[2128] Well, he's never out of shape, really, like at a normal person out of shape.

[2129] shape like you or I would get.

[2130] But for Justin Gagee, it really depends entirely on how much time he's been spending in the gym.

[2131] Now, he's a man with a plan, right?

[2132] He's trying to be the UFC lightweight champion.

[2133] So he's probably not getting too out of shape.

[2134] And he probably knew that in this case, there is a potential that one of those guys could drop out because they've already made that fight four fucking times and it fell apart.

[2135] So this is the fifth time that's falling apart, which is nuts.

[2136] That's crazy.

[2137] So it might be the Justin Gage.

[2138] knew that this was a possibility that he could be called in as a replacement he might be in full camp mode we really don't know we'd have to talk to him Connor McGregor knew all along Connor McGregor knew he called it knew I called it he's uh he was another one that I'm sure was probably getting ready but um I'd love to see him fight in 2020 but Connor McGregor versus Tony Ferguson would be fire yeah who why didn't that have Do you have to be on standby for last minute fill -ins?

[2139] I think there are some people that they asked to be on standby.

[2140] They have definitely done that before, and they've asked guys to make weight, and there's a lot of guys that have been through a full camp, and they're paid for a full camp, and they're paid to make weight.

[2141] This is something that's happened several times in the UFC's history, where guys show up because they're there to fight and step in if something falls apart, especially if you have a guy who maybe struggles with weight cutting, and you might fall apart and get pulled from a fight or someone who's maybe injured or sick and they're like a little nervous with this fight.

[2142] We're getting super fights every week?

[2143] Do you think?

[2144] I don't know, man. If they build Into the Dragon Island.

[2145] You're going to commentate, right?

[2146] Yeah, Into the Dragon Island?

[2147] I don't know.

[2148] I don't know how we're going to do it.

[2149] I don't know how it's going to be done on.

[2150] Please wear the track suit.

[2151] Please.

[2152] I want to dress like Bruce Lee.

[2153] Yeah, I didn't want to really quick ask you.

[2154] Did you consider interviewing Trump on this?

[2155] Well, he's never asked to do it.

[2156] And I've never asked him to do it.

[2157] I don't know.

[2158] Because, well, what makes you, why do you ask?

[2159] I'm trying to stay out of politics, bro.

[2160] It's too sketch.

[2161] You think it's politics interviewing somebody like Trump?

[2162] No, it's not politics at all.

[2163] What?

[2164] No, meaning, well.

[2165] It's a political thing.

[2166] I mean, just even having him on.

[2167] is oh it's a statement well it's no it's he's the he's a politician he's a professional president I mean that's it is no but but the the nature of long -form conversation is such that you're not doing talking points why do you ask okay so I'd love to see him on the show first of all and I actually was in the works of interviewing him a year a year ago for what for the AI podcast that I do really but it was more of a supposed to be about the AI initiative, that that would be a short, I mean, I imagine it would be a short thing about saying how.

[2168] Were you going to be in person?

[2169] In person, yeah.

[2170] That would be an interesting conversation.

[2171] But very different, like I would like this kind of conversation.

[2172] I just wanted to talk, not wanted, but I think what they wanted is to talk with the NSF and certain heads of the administration and just saying this is a really, it's important for us as a country to stay ahead on the innovation in terms of artificial intelligence.

[2173] So that kind of conversation.

[2174] It's a little bit less about getting into the human story of a human being, which I think Trump is one of the most interesting people who have been in office.

[2175] Yeah, if you're studying humans, he's definitely one of the most interesting.

[2176] The reason I bring that up is I was thinking, I had this kind of question of if there's a person I talked, because I thought Trump would be incredible.

[2177] There's a bunch of people in this world which are incredible for this podcast.

[2178] Like, only you can have that conversation.

[2179] So I started asking myself, like, what is the conversation I could have that only I can do?

[2180] Not only, but, like, I'm especially well -equipped for.

[2181] Yeah, I would say it's well -equipped better.

[2182] I don't think there's anybody that only I can talk to.

[2183] Right.

[2184] I misspoke.

[2185] I know what you're saying, though.

[2186] And for that, that's why, and now I think there's agreement now is I'll interview Vladimir Putin.

[2187] Holy shit.

[2188] I think he has not been interviewed well.

[2189] I have all the connections.

[2190] And you speak Russian.

[2191] Yeah, so it would be a mix of Russian English, yeah.

[2192] Well, that would be the big thing, though, was to talk to him in Russian and then relay it in a way that makes us understand it.

[2193] That's actually an interesting question.

[2194] I would probably talk in English with a translator.

[2195] Why would you do that?

[2196] Because the ultimate result has to be in English.

[2197] Not has to be, but we have to translate.

[2198] on the fly because the how do I put it uh translators won't do a good job of translating so I'll understand everything he's saying in Russian and he'll actually understand everything I'm saying in English he speaks pretty good English okay but he's not allowed I mean not not allowed so you think that would be better than subtitles yes I think it's more human it's more real it's like uh you with Joey Diaz and um you well you well yeah you didn't do subtitles for that no that was He also speaks pretty good.

[2199] Joey's perfect, and he's perfectly bilingual.

[2200] So that was a great situation.

[2201] You know, and also Joey's from Cuba.

[2202] So together, that was amazing.

[2203] So the translator that Putin has, it is actually really good translators.

[2204] They're not some generic folks.

[2205] I'm sure.

[2206] They're friends.

[2207] Like, they're not friends, but.

[2208] They know each other.

[2209] They know each other well.

[2210] So that's, it's almost, it's a very similar situation, except that person is not a Joey G. But it's, that creates that kind of, uh, atmosphere where you can, when there's some uncertainty about the statements that you're making, you can play with that.

[2211] But it's an interesting thing.

[2212] Do you think he would do that?

[2213] The interview?

[2214] Yeah.

[2215] Yeah.

[2216] Well, there's two parts.

[2217] I know I have all the right connections for it.

[2218] I think he would do it because he will understand who I am.

[2219] And the second part is I have a little bit of a Connem and Greger situation going on where anything, everything I've done in my life that I decided I'm going to do always happens.

[2220] everything yeah everything I think that is do you have some mystic shit going on in there mystic lex should we call you mystic lex like mystic mac no that's wrong yeah that's his thing mystic mac dude we're three hours and 20 minutes in if you believe it or not that's a good place to end on Putin but can I do this silly song?

[2221] Yeah we'll end on a silly song no pressure it's been an amazing podcast so far this song doesn't if it doesn't hold up we're just going to cut the power just cut it off blame it on Brian Callan yeah we'll blame it on Calin good call so I did this video where I played the Joe Rogan Experience theme okay so what many people think can you hear the guitar by the way what many people think is Brian Red Band shout out to Red Band was the one who came up with that from like Garage man but um it turns out there's actually words to the song oh that brian callan wrote brian callan he's sang it in a few episodes oh okay i know this stupid song yeah yeah we'll end with this lex friedman thank you for being here i appreciate the fuck out of you uh tell everybody your instagram friedman spelled weird like friedman yeah f r i d m a nlex fridman instagram do you use the Twitter as well?

[2222] The Twitters, yeah.

[2223] Same thing on Twitter.

[2224] Same thing on Twitter.

[2225] Listen to the artificial intelligence podcast.

[2226] Yeah.

[2227] It's been fun, buddy.

[2228] If anyone wants to do any weddings or bar mitzvahs from musician -wise.

[2229] He'll sing his ass off.

[2230] Come get some.

[2231] Okay.

[2232] Thanks for being here, man. I appreciate it.

[2233] Let's go.

[2234] This is the stupidest thing I've ever done.

[2235] So this is a story.

[2236] Okay.

[2237] In the desert.

[2238] I met a man With an eagle perching on his hand And he asked me, son, what can I do for you?

[2239] Definitely the stupidest.

[2240] Father, I said, I'm looking for The meaning I should be living for He put a finger to my lips, says, Let the old man speak.

[2241] They call me Brian Callaghan In this cruel world, there is a man You should listen to As he journey on through life His name is Joe Rogan Joe Rogan shoulders for days and a really wide bag Joe Rogan Joe Rogan barrel of snakes for a bag Then he mounted his horse And he looked to the sky And he rode to the sunset With a tear in his eye And the legend goes The old man rides on Singing the words To this terrible song Joe Rogan Joe Rogan Shoulders for days And I really went back I already regret this Joe Rogan Joe Rogan A barrel of snakes For a bag You fucked up You should have never done that song It was terrible People are going to never forgive you for that Thank you buddy I regret nothing Thank you brother Thank you brother Bye everybody Stay safe