Nicholas Braun

[0] Welcome, welcome to armchair expert.

[1] I'm Dan Shepard.

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[10] As you hear, whenever you hit play is when we started talking about this.

[11] We have, I want to say, our tallest guest in the attic.

[12] Now, we've had a couple basketball players that were taller, but they were over Zoom.

[13] Not Dwayne Wade.

[14] How do you?

[15] No, he's taller than Dwayne Wade.

[16] He is.

[17] For sure, yes.

[18] Meta World Peace was pretty tall.

[19] He was about this.

[20] I think Meadow World is 6 -6 or 6 -7.

[21] Okay, so the same.

[22] Wow.

[23] But this is an actor, which makes it more exciting.

[24] So tall.

[25] Yeah.

[26] Tallest actor?

[27] In the whole world.

[28] Oh my God.

[29] This is an exclusive.

[30] Nicholas Braun is an Emmy -nominated actor.

[31] I have not been nominated for an Emmy.

[32] You have won an Emmy.

[33] But for me, an Emmy is still quite elusive.

[34] You know him as Cousin Greg.

[35] Cousin Greg from Succession.

[36] Also, Sky High, Zola, How to Be Single, Minutemen.

[37] And he is here, of course, to promote the final, we say with great sorrow, the final season of Succession.

[38] And this was really fun for me. It was fun.

[39] And we've had a couple, as we referred to last time, of shy guests.

[40] I would put him in this category, but I do feel that we got him to open up.

[41] Would you say shy or nervous?

[42] I might say nervous.

[43] It is funny to watch young actors break out right now because we are in such a very specific time in space and climate quote in climates.

[44] Correct.

[45] And it's I just, the way I behaved when I was at his stage of my career was so fucking reckless.

[46] Yes.

[47] And there was almost like it felt like there was no penalty to be paid.

[48] I'd be on Loveline and giving out sex advice.

[49] Didn't think twice about whether that would be a thing or not.

[50] Yeah.

[51] So he to me seems most aware of the time.

[52] That's true.

[53] And we do talk about it a bit.

[54] That's all a big chunk of what it's about.

[55] Yeah, which is very interesting.

[56] Very fun to explore.

[57] Yeah.

[58] So please enjoy.

[59] We loved them so tall, so funny.

[60] Yes.

[61] Nicholas Braun.

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[66] There's a little sunkenness here, a lot of bodies.

[67] A lot of butts.

[68] That's right.

[69] That's right.

[70] Laderman was just sitting there.

[71] I just listened to it.

[72] Did you listen to it?

[73] Yeah.

[74] Are you old enough to love Letterman?

[75] Oh, yeah.

[76] Okay.

[77] You're younger than Monica.

[78] How old are you?

[79] I'm 34.

[80] Okay, barely, but still.

[81] How old are you?

[82] 88.

[83] I'm 35.

[84] I'm about to be 30.

[85] He'll be 35 before you turn 30.

[86] Okay, great.

[87] So we're a year apart.

[88] Yeah, exactly.

[89] May 1st.

[90] Yeah, spring baby.

[91] Coming up on it.

[92] 35.

[93] I know.

[94] Tell me. There's something weird about that number.

[95] There's something.

[96] You're in it.

[97] You're deep in it.

[98] Well, my eggs fell off.

[99] First things first.

[100] Yeah, her eggs went off a cliff.

[101] Her egg reserves.

[102] That's how it goes.

[103] They jump off after 35.

[104] Five.

[105] Yep.

[106] We lose them all.

[107] Oh, geez.

[108] Have you ever seen those nature shows where the Wilder Beast, none of them want to cross the river because there's crocodilia in there?

[109] And then they bunch up on the banks.

[110] And then finally, it just shoves them all over in a big avalanche of Wilderbeast.

[111] That's what's happening with Monica's eggs.

[112] We were bunching up at the river for so long that finally they're just cascading over.

[113] Right.

[114] Yeah.

[115] Yeah.

[116] I don't know if I should be talking about your eggs.

[117] Yeah, you should.

[118] Is it my jurisdiction to?

[119] I opened it up.

[120] to you so it is i've invited also men have really good opinions on women's reproductive rights and their eggs absolutely yeah would be happy to tell you what to do from here are you packing a lip right you bet i thought you were sorry is that a tin oh sure are you packing a fatty right yes that's right i used to pack a lot of lips yes why did you stop well i did it in boarding school because you could smoke you'd get caught no it's not the bear that bites your bed well codyx brother, bite your back.

[121] This is Copenhagen.

[122] That's Copenhagen.

[123] Aging.

[124] Yeah, yeah.

[125] Did you like Cody?

[126] No, you liked Grizzly.

[127] Grizzly was the cheap shit.

[128] I mean, we were high school kids, so we didn't.

[129] Oh, I can't believe you're packing a lip right now.

[130] Do you want to join me?

[131] Or would you get lightheaded?

[132] I mean, I haven't done it in a while.

[133] This feels like a scene out of success.

[134] I feel, yeah.

[135] Like, I'm going to give it to you.

[136] And then you're going to be going like, whoa, like you're going to be all fucked up from that.

[137] Yeah, yeah.

[138] The rum and Coke you had with Brian Cox.

[139] Mm -hmm.

[140] And remember how.

[141] strong that was strong for a man yeah well anyways it's here you're invited to have some if you want I might join you at some point are you gonna pack multiple yeah I'll probably do two over the course of this okay maybe on the second yeah or maybe a celebratory one at the end yeah yeah I have this thing in my head about packing I'm just gonna keep saying packing lips because that's what that's what I was that's what we called it packing fatties fat natchies we'd like see each other in the middle of our school and we just go you would signal to each other we'll snap our fingers and be like you have you got you carryin you have you have you have you got the grizzly bunch of fiends you know we buy that log of like eight or ten of them kids would deal them sometimes they don't sell these in california anymore because they're flavored so i have so many logs inside when i travel now i spend my whole trip going from gas station to gas station and just accumulating logs right it's such a satisfying thing to ask them for.

[142] Do you have a log?

[143] Yeah, can I get all those?

[144] Can you leave that package wrapped?

[145] Yes.

[146] That's what I'd love to know is what is above a log.

[147] Like a bundle?

[148] Maybe there's a sack of 10 logs or something.

[149] There's got to be.

[150] Yeah.

[151] Big box of logs.

[152] Oh, wait.

[153] How did you have access in boarding school to?

[154] Oh, this is so bad.

[155] All the kids in my boarding school are going to be like, fuck yeah.

[156] Are they going to be saying that a rat?

[157] The brotherhood is still alive.

[158] Was it a proper one we see in movies, like some elite children and some scholarship children.

[159] Definitely scholarship kids.

[160] I mean, it was small.

[161] It wasn't the best one.

[162] You know, it wasn't like Andover Exeter, Hotchkiss, like one of those that there's like a little bit more of that legacy boarding school thing where many generations have been there.

[163] I mean, there's some of that.

[164] Beautiful campus.

[165] Yeah, really nice.

[166] Great school.

[167] I love going there.

[168] You did love it.

[169] Yeah, yeah, I did.

[170] It was a journey because, I mean, I don't know how quickly we're going to dive in.

[171] We go straight to anal.

[172] Straight to the guy.

[173] Straight right into it.

[174] We're going to pass kissing and handholding.

[175] Just let's start to rip.

[176] Yeah.

[177] But I really wanted to go to boarding school.

[178] I wanted to leave Connecticut.

[179] And so I went and I think I was kind of doing like a fuck this thing in freshman year, even though I really wanted to be there.

[180] You wanted to, yeah, act like you hated boarding school?

[181] Yeah, exactly.

[182] Like, why are we even here?

[183] Six days of school a week?

[184] Like, what are they doing?

[185] It's like we all knew that ahead of time.

[186] But then, you know, you make some friends, you get into it.

[187] I would get, like, no sleep.

[188] And so it was sort of fun.

[189] Take caffeine pills at night and Adderall.

[190] Wow.

[191] You know, you're just sort of like, yeah, school's crazy.

[192] It's like college a little bit.

[193] Yeah.

[194] And it's not that hard.

[195] It's easy college.

[196] Yeah.

[197] It gets hard, but it got better and better as time went on and then senior year.

[198] I had a really good crew of friends.

[199] You ruled the school.

[200] Yeah, we were some of the rulers.

[201] Right, great.

[202] You got to acknowledge it's kind of a. an unconventional desire to want to go to boarding school.

[203] And you wanted to get out of Connecticut.

[204] Yeah.

[205] What were we trying to get away from in Connecticut?

[206] Had you had a rough junior high experience?

[207] I had a crew of friends, but then I also was kind of getting bullied a bit.

[208] 11, I made my first film, and so maybe that made me a bit of a...

[209] Target.

[210] Oh, he needs to be knocked down a notch or something.

[211] Yeah, he thinks he's the shit, and he's too tall.

[212] Yeah.

[213] How tall were you?

[214] I think he just predicted.

[215] Well, I am.

[216] I want to know if we tracked the same.

[217] Might have been like 5 -9 or 5 -10 by the end of eighth grade.

[218] And then, yeah, it was like 6 -1, 6 -4, 6 -6, 6.

[219] You know, by junior senior year, like probably 6 -5 -6.

[220] Okay, we're going back to junior high.

[221] But first, when do we get worried?

[222] Like, I got to imagine all the way up to 6 -2, you're getting pumped.

[223] Yeah, I think so.

[224] But I don't have a large frame, so I was just a bunch of bones.

[225] Just awkward body and the knees hurt.

[226] Yeah, shins.

[227] Yeah, maybe shins.

[228] I had a bunch of lower back stuff, but also I sagged my pants really low to sort of, I think, like, cover up that I was just like gangly as hell.

[229] I was in this town in Connecticut called Fairfield, which is sort of half extremely wealthy, and then half Bridgeport, Connecticut, which is working class and not super wealthy.

[230] It was this weird mix where I was sagging like Brooks Brothers pants.

[231] Oh, interesting.

[232] like a tilted sideways polo ralph lauren cap oh wow you know and so elevated hip -hop yeah like early kanei okay right right conservative hip -hop preppy yeah preppy hip -hop prep hop yeah oh wow that's cool so it's like abercrombie as well oh yeah holster sadged madras shorts hollister for sure yes that's about our time even though you're younger than me still have our time money would have I've been one great ahead of you.

[233] Oh, my God.

[234] You don't have liked him?

[235] It's this tall boy.

[236] Probably.

[237] Yeah, I liked all the tall white boys.

[238] Sure, sure.

[239] If you didn't like me, I would have really liked you.

[240] That's really the only, yeah.

[241] Turned on the afterburners.

[242] Wait, we didn't answer my question.

[243] How did you get the dip at the boarding school?

[244] Well, I also didn't find out why he wanted to leave Connecticut.

[245] I have so many questions.

[246] I know.

[247] He's leaving us.

[248] Hang it hard.

[249] Planting tons of seeds around this.

[250] You're going to come into bloom all at once.

[251] Okay.

[252] Well, because you can't leave the point.

[253] But we could go chronological.

[254] So why did you want to go so bad?

[255] Things weren't super enjoyable at home, to put it kind of vaguely.

[256] In a non -damming kind way.

[257] You want to get out of your house.

[258] I was just really unhappy and I was really not getting along with my brother at the time.

[259] like he and I were really at odds and we're best friends now and we have been for probably 10 years but when we were kids we were two years apart so it was that classic competitive thing where he didn't want to think that I'm better at things and that I know more things and you were in a movie and I was in a movie yeah I was doing that that thing you're a little Rontown money did you get any of that little cashies you were making did your parents let you have some of it I don't think they did in high school, my dad would send me a bit of money as like a stipend, you know, from my whatever that child protection.

[260] Yeah, yeah, Coogan account.

[261] Yeah, yeah.

[262] Exactly.

[263] You dispense a little when you're running low on logs.

[264] Yeah.

[265] I need some cash, dad.

[266] Run out and fetch yourself a nice log.

[267] That makes sense.

[268] Great.

[269] Okay.

[270] Now you leave the boarding school to get the dip.

[271] Aren't you under lock and key there?

[272] Yes.

[273] There's a path that went into downtown.

[274] And what's downtown is one convenience store and one diner and one pizza place and then a bunch of stuff that kids won't be going to so we would go to this convenience store and maybe some kids were 18 so they could legally buy them or we had fakes maybe at that point statute of limitations is up feel free to tell us the deeds here yeah were you sneaking out you can walk downtown if you You have a free period, you'd go.

[275] We didn't have to ask a guard to leave or something.

[276] Okay, okay.

[277] We had pretty free reign when we had free time.

[278] And then I think it was 7 p .m. We had to be back in the dorms.

[279] And then 8 p .m. It was study hall till 10 p .m. Sort of quiet.

[280] Basically, like, don't leave your room.

[281] Pop your addie.

[282] Pop those addies.

[283] Pop some addies and get the Game Boy out.

[284] Get it going, get the counterstrike going.

[285] A lot of counter strike.

[286] NHO6 on the rigged.

[287] PlayStation set up in the room.

[288] I've read a few books I've loved that are set in that world.

[289] I think Tobias Wolf wrote a great one, and I think, who else wrote a great boarding school?

[290] J .K. Rowling.

[291] Jay K. Rowling.

[292] I imagine it like Harry Potter.

[293] I really do.

[294] Yeah.

[295] Have you read any books that explore?

[296] Well, Catcher in the Rye.

[297] Yeah, yeah.

[298] That's, I guess, the original one that paints that picture for you.

[299] Were you identifying with that at all?

[300] I was.

[301] I was reading it at the time.

[302] Pretty romanticized.

[303] version of it.

[304] Of course.

[305] He was getting a lot more lit on the weekends.

[306] I don't remember it that well, but he was going to New York and getting really fucked up.

[307] God, I don't remember the intoxication part, but I remember the going downtown and it's time for a reread of it.

[308] Side note.

[309] Definitely.

[310] Yeah, we should all read it.

[311] The most memorable scene for me is him in the dean's office and he's loosely getting kicked out, I think, despite the fact that he's so smart because he's got so much shit with other people and all he can think about is how uncomfortable the chair is he's in and i remember thinking this is a brilliant writer because this is life no matter what's actually going you can be getting the worst news of your life you'll be far more distracted by like the comfort level of the chair you're in right that's why you got this one so i can concentrate on you yeah right like this is comfortable i guess she said that you were sweating in this one the goal of this was to prevent back sweat yesterday i really fucking sweat up a storm and this i was like oh Jesus.

[312] Oh, no. Now what?

[313] I need to get an uller on one of these.

[314] Yeah, yeah.

[315] Do you know what those are?

[316] Is it like a cooling?

[317] Yeah, it's a little bladder that goes over your mattress.

[318] I sleep with one every night.

[319] You do?

[320] Yeah, yeah.

[321] It's changed my life.

[322] I never wake up sweaty anymore.

[323] It's heaven.

[324] And I'm like, I gotta get them to engineer one for this enormous chair or go back to that one with an uller.

[325] You know what?

[326] I think maybe the uller's ruined you.

[327] You're so used to being cool.

[328] It's the sauna.

[329] The sauna has ruined me. I never was a sweater.

[330] I work out all the time.

[331] I never am sweating.

[332] And now I sauna every night.

[333] And now I sweat like a motherfather.

[334] I'd open up the valves.

[335] Yeah.

[336] Which is good for you to keep sweating all the time?

[337] Yeah, nightly.

[338] Yeah, 20 minutes.

[339] Toxins never stay in there.

[340] They don't see a chance.

[341] Yeah.

[342] Do your friends call you Nicholas or Nick?

[343] Nick.

[344] Okay.

[345] I want more friends, man. Yeah, we aren't.

[346] Let's drop into the nickname.

[347] That's great.

[348] I wish I had an even shorter name to offer you, but it's just Dax, even if we're friends.

[349] Okay, because you've said your name out loud.

[350] Yeah, you just learned that.

[351] Oh, his name's Dax.

[352] No, it just reminded me I have to tell you this thing, which I'm sure you know that I'm going to tell you about your car, your Chevy Taho.

[353] I'm now just remembering.

[354] Your 2008 Chevy Taho hybrid, which you sold to May Whitman.

[355] Yes, yes, yes.

[356] She sold it to me. I'm now just remembering this was probably in like 2011 she sold it to me you know I've never met you so she said this was Dax's car and I was like okay cool and my brother I think named it the Daxie taxi oh and to the day I sold it it was the Daxie taxi and I had a serious XM subscription that I never paid for that probably I did you did or maybe continue to how many years did did you did you own it?

[357] I owned it from 2011 till last summer.

[358] Wasn't it a great vehicle?

[359] My favorite car I ever drove and I didn't want to sell it.

[360] Why did you sell it?

[361] It was kind of falling apart.

[362] That hybrid engine wasn't holding up.

[363] I live in New York mostly and so I'd put it in a garage in Williamsburg, which was also across from Manhattan.

[364] So I had to do this weird commute to get my car because it was like a cheaper garage there.

[365] Yeah.

[366] But then it was just so not worth.

[367] Anyway, I would get the car after like two months and they buried it behind 10 cars you know because they're like oh yeah this guy never drives his car yeah it's free money and then it was just flat tires or the engine one start or the battery was dead and then I'd have a triple a guy come down and long bunch of bullshit that would happen I was like I just have to let go of it okay understandable quick question so I got it I immediately lowered it and I put huge wheels on it okay and I loved it it was so cool And I was driving it for like, I want to say eight months, I loved it so much.

[368] May went with us up to the Sequoia National Park in it.

[369] And then I bought this diesel truck that's still sitting here.

[370] And when I bought it, it was so expensive.

[371] And I was like, I can't fucking own these two new cars.

[372] So I'm going to sell this to May. I didn't want to sell it.

[373] I would have kept that car forever.

[374] And then I think I took the wheels off, but I gave them to.

[375] I guess my long question for you is, did it have the gangster wheels on it when you got it or it had the stock wheels.

[376] It didn't, stock wheels.

[377] Okay.

[378] But very roomy for your size, right?

[379] Made for you.

[380] Yeah, perfect.

[381] I had an Audi before that, but it gave me really bad back problems.

[382] And then as soon as I sold that, got the Tahoe, they went away.

[383] You booked Succession shortly there.

[384] Yeah.

[385] My spine straightened out and got healthy again.

[386] He started flourishing.

[387] Wow, that's so cool.

[388] Yeah.

[389] Well, you'll certainly be the only guest that ever happens with because I tend to buy shit and never sell it.

[390] That's one of the only things I've ever sold.

[391] old.

[392] They just kind of start piling up.

[393] But we've already talked about it.

[394] You were acting at a young age, like 11, 12 year in things.

[395] And I read that your father weirdly got you into this because he late in life was gifted some lessons or workshop or something.

[396] Yeah.

[397] There was a friend of his.

[398] My dad was in the music industry.

[399] This guy was in advertising and he gave up advertising at 50 years old or something and started acting.

[400] And a few years later, my dad and him were talking.

[401] And my dad He designed record albums in the 60s, 70s, 80s.

[402] The sleeves?

[403] Yeah, he designed Rolling Stones albums.

[404] Oh, really?

[405] Were they framed around your house, like the ones he had done?

[406] Kind of, but they were also kind of like away.

[407] They were kind of in storage.

[408] He was modest about it.

[409] Yeah, well, I think it was a different era of life that he felt was a different guy, maybe.

[410] He got sober.

[411] He's been sober 40 years.

[412] No shit.

[413] On April 1st.

[414] So before you were even born, he had gotten sober.

[415] Mm -hmm.

[416] And then in the 90s, record albums weren't a thing anymore.

[417] CDs were a thing.

[418] And I don't think he was enjoying the CD experience anymore.

[419] Not enough real estate.

[420] Yeah.

[421] You need a bigger medium.

[422] Yeah.

[423] So that's when he was having the conversation with this guy.

[424] And he was like, well, what would you want to do if you weren't doing this?

[425] And he said, I'd like to be an actor.

[426] I've always wanted to be an actor.

[427] And this is at probably 55?

[428] Exactly.

[429] That's a wild choice to make.

[430] I applaud it.

[431] Yeah.

[432] Yeah.

[433] It's a big change.

[434] It was a huge thing.

[435] So for a little while, he didn't quite leave his job.

[436] He was at Time Warner, so sort of corporate design job.

[437] Three nights a week, he would go to an acting class at night from 7 p .m. to midnight.

[438] With all teenagers, let's be honest.

[439] Like, who's in that class?

[440] Totally.

[441] Yes.

[442] I never thought about that.

[443] Yeah.

[444] You know how old you would feel?

[445] Yeah.

[446] It's not like a bunch of 55 -year -olds all learning.

[447] No. He's one of three that started acting in that 55 group.

[448] that would be interesting to see what kind of crew he was doing scenes with so then he started encouraging you or you took your own interest in it I just know there's a great element I read that he would be putting you through these like Meisner exercises yeah which reminded me of something so specific my dad too sober he died sober in conjunction with sobriety was like exploring a lot of new things right like course of miracles and ACOA all these different groups on a spiritual path.

[449] He was dancing with meditation for a while, and I lived with him in 9th and 10th grade, and his greatest request was always that I would sit back to back with him in the morning and meditate with him.

[450] And I just this morning was trying to imagine what I felt like when he would ask me to do that with him.

[451] But I would.

[452] I would oblige him, and we would sit back to back.

[453] And it was fine.

[454] And then a couple times he'd be like, yeah, do you feel the burning in, like he was having a whole ride.

[455] I necessarily wasn't on with him.

[456] But anyways, I just, for whatever reason, read this thing with you, it just brought me immediately back to, like, teenage sons and dads.

[457] It's such a funny.

[458] Was it like skin to skin?

[459] Yeah.

[460] Yeah.

[461] Yeah.

[462] Yeah.

[463] Yeah.

[464] Shirts off.

[465] Yes, because my father, among many other things, I never lived with him.

[466] I never lived with well, I had stepdad's, but I'd never seen a dude naked.

[467] And I moved in with him in ninth grade.

[468] And this motherfucker was naked, 75 % of the day.

[469] Like, he only put clothes on to leave the house.

[470] He was so comfortable.

[471] And he was heavy.

[472] He was like 300 pounds.

[473] Wow.

[474] Okay, that's too much about me. Back to your dad.

[475] Did it resemble that at all?

[476] Like, hey, tiger.

[477] You need to be an actor, boy.

[478] I can't remember a specific day or moment where it happened, but he must have known that I was interested in it.

[479] I mean, I really was five or six years old.

[480] When this started?

[481] Yeah.

[482] Oh.

[483] I have an older half -brother named Tim.

[484] He was producing for Good Morning America at the time.

[485] He was like a segment producer.

[486] And he invited me to do like a kid reporter thing.

[487] introduced the Sax Fifth Avenue, Christmas windows in New York.

[488] That was first grade.

[489] And you were on Good Morning America?

[490] Yeah.

[491] Oh, my goodness.

[492] Was it the most thrilling thing ever?

[493] Totally.

[494] Would you give yourself out of ten?

[495] How'd you do?

[496] I mean, for a little seven -year -old, I think I did eight, nine.

[497] Go ahead, nine.

[498] Yeah, maybe nine.

[499] I mean, I think I kind of killed it.

[500] Were you making jokes?

[501] Was it improvised?

[502] Maybe an eight.

[503] Not done calculating that.

[504] I don't think I was being very funny.

[505] I guess I was probably being led around by my brother and being like, now you'll do this.

[506] And here's what you should do.

[507] And I think I was doing the thing he suggested well enough.

[508] You were a serious actor.

[509] Yeah, yeah.

[510] I was being super dramatic.

[511] Yeah.

[512] So knowing that, it must have started at five or six years.

[513] You get a little taste of that, showbiz.

[514] You see yourself on television at six or seven.

[515] That's a powerful elixir there.

[516] It is.

[517] Yeah, I didn't think about the moment I would have watched.

[518] that.

[519] He had to have.

[520] Yeah, they put a VHS tape in and fucking recorded it.

[521] Or your brother just got a copy probably.

[522] Yeah, I'm sure we watched it a million times.

[523] I remember walking down the street in New York outside the Sacks Fifth Avenue store and doing like a walk and talk with the book that the windows are based on that year and people are staring at you on the street.

[524] It's not closed off.

[525] So I'm just walking amongst the New Yorkers pushing past me and I'm doing this thing.

[526] Also, a group starts to form too.

[527] Once you start filming a thing on the street, people start to watch.

[528] Yeah, it's a cute little kid.

[529] Yeah.

[530] I'm watching.

[531] Yeah.

[532] What's this little guy doing?

[533] You'll see how he does.

[534] A lot of fresh.

[535] I'm sure I was blowing it a lot of times because the one they used, I'm pretty stiff.

[536] Okay.

[537] But we got it.

[538] We got it.

[539] Okay.

[540] Explain one of these Meisner routines you would do with your father.

[541] He's also, I think it's worth noting he was 48 when he had you.

[542] He's an older dad.

[543] Were you insecure about that?

[544] Like, were you embarrassed?

[545] when you'd have friends over?

[546] I wouldn't really have friends over because he lived in New York.

[547] I was doing the see -em on the weekend thing every other weekend.

[548] We would take the train, me and my brother from Connecticut, about an hour train ride and meet him in the city.

[549] I think my little brother was having to endure it as well.

[550] He did not like acting, never acted, doesn't...

[551] Respect it, yeah.

[552] Yeah.

[553] Respect it, hate.

[554] Yeah, yeah, embarrassing endeavor, really.

[555] Yes, yeah, he says it to me all the time.

[556] I guess we would sit across from each other, kind of similar to sitting back to back.

[557] Maybe more intimate.

[558] Yeah, staring at each other.

[559] Yes, that's hard.

[560] That's the point of it.

[561] You have to like make eye contact and repeat.

[562] Exactly.

[563] That was the repetition exercise.

[564] It's like cringy to think about doing with your dad.

[565] Totally.

[566] There's nothing I'd rather do less than staring to my dad's.

[567] Can you give me an example?

[568] I'm willing to do it with one of you.

[569] I've never done it.

[570] God, it's been so long since I learned how to do it.

[571] It's a pretty cringy exercise.

[572] Yeah, yeah.

[573] What do you just take one line and you say it back?

[574] over and over again.

[575] It's like you observe something and someone, right?

[576] That's how we did it.

[577] It'd be like, oh, we can't do it.

[578] We'll do it for 30 seconds.

[579] Okay.

[580] It'd be like, so you want to talk to me right now?

[581] So you want to talk to me right now?

[582] So you want to talk to me right now?

[583] So you want to talk to me right now?

[584] Oh, so you want to talk to me right now?

[585] So, you want to talk to me right now.

[586] So you want to talk to me right now?

[587] So you want to talk to me?

[588] So you want to talk to me right now?

[589] So you want to talk to me right now?

[590] So you want to talk to me right now?

[591] So you want to talk to me right now.

[592] Okay, okay.

[593] It's hard for me not to have things.

[594] I know.

[595] I'm getting secure.

[596] Yeah, yeah.

[597] That's too.

[598] Also, I feel like if I'm going to be the acting teacher here, I feel like everyone.

[599] Remember what was my first time?

[600] You did great.

[601] Jack, that was great.

[602] That was good.

[603] Stuff was happening.

[604] Stuff was really happening.

[605] I got angry and then I got sensitive.

[606] I feel like when you.

[607] first do it, you're not really supposed to add emotion.

[608] But then emotion comes, but you're not like supposed to change it up.

[609] Oh, we were forcing it.

[610] Yeah.

[611] We were on an expedited kind of Yeah, just demonstrated.

[612] I went to theater school.

[613] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[614] That's really good to know.

[615] That was crazy.

[616] I hated it and loved it.

[617] The brother must have been absolutely annoyed beyond the leave.

[618] Like it's hard enough to be in it, but I think even observing its work.

[619] I'm sure which you just experienced.

[620] What I thought you were going to say was basically every time anyone does this exercise, they go to anger.

[621] Yes.

[622] Also, yes, because it's the easy go -to.

[623] It's like, let's ramp it up quickly.

[624] And it does feel like you have to.

[625] You just have to keep it.

[626] Let's do it again.

[627] Okay, I'm just kidding.

[628] Don't do it.

[629] Let's never do it again in our whole lives.

[630] There's one I wish I had done.

[631] See, no, that's what you're not supposed to do.

[632] Especially now that I know where everyone takes it.

[633] Are you ready?

[634] So, you want to talk to me?

[635] I can't look at it.

[636] That was my very flirty one with you.

[637] It's really nice.

[638] I don't even know if I had the line right, but.

[639] So.

[640] So you want to talk to me right now?

[641] Oh, my God.

[642] That means I'm buying drugs off you.

[643] Yeah, that one.

[644] That was good.

[645] Do you have?

[646] Yeah, I got some, I got a log, burning a hole in my pants.

[647] That was intimate.

[648] Okay, how do you end up procuring an agent and ending up booking stuff at this young age?

[649] My dad and I would both look in the back of backstage magazine or newspaper and there would be open calls and he would submit me. I had headshots.

[650] He took headshots of me at six or seven.

[651] Yeah, he took them.

[652] Uh -huh.

[653] In Central Park.

[654] He was invested in your escalation here, it seems.

[655] He was.

[656] Well, I'm sure there's a thousand ways that this could have been.

[657] But I'm choosing to see it as like how adorable he wanted to have.

[658] have a hobby with his kid or was he what we would call a stage dad no he wasn't right he didn't want you to go generate a living or anything no he had his own career he was trying to launch and was he successful did he end up getting roles on things yeah for periods i mean he did some small roles in big films he was in a scene in swordfish you know with john travolta and then he would do a bunch of guest stars and good sized things if you make it into the union i think that's huge.

[659] If you end up on television, that's enormous.

[660] It is.

[661] It took me fucking nine years out here to get on television.

[662] This is a hard job when you don't work for a month or six months.

[663] I've never had like a year drought, luckily, but friends have.

[664] And when I have a drought for a few months, I'm like, maybe I shouldn't do this career.

[665] I should quit this.

[666] I can't do this with my life.

[667] And there's also maybe some weird voice in your head that also is like you're some kind of a boxer where you're like, maybe I go out.

[668] on a high note here.

[669] And it actually appears that I just retired.

[670] Like you're...

[671] And no one cares about the announcement.

[672] Yeah.

[673] Because I certainly had year -long hiatuses post having been the lead of movies.

[674] And that's grueling.

[675] But you're doing something that similarly, my thing was writing.

[676] I was writing as much as I was ever acting.

[677] So when acting wasn't working, I had just focused on writing and then I would do that.

[678] But you have music to some degree, right?

[679] You can gobble up that anxiety time in between projects.

[680] Yep.

[681] I played piano as a kid and I sang through boarding school.

[682] I did Acapella.

[683] You did?

[684] I love Acapella.

[685] Monica, we've had some debates about this.

[686] She thinks they're sexy.

[687] Yeah, I do.

[688] It's hot.

[689] Yeah, she thinks it's really hot.

[690] Do you have a lot of groupies?

[691] I think the female Acapella group were our groupies.

[692] Sure.

[693] Yeah.

[694] Because they get it.

[695] Because they got it.

[696] They were living it.

[697] Wow.

[698] What was the name of your group?

[699] The group, we were called the Octet.

[700] Wonderful.

[701] But we had like 12 or 14 members because I think we weren't good enough.

[702] Oh, I see.

[703] Fill in.

[704] Yeah.

[705] So it would be great to have eight.

[706] That's the goal.

[707] That's a dream.

[708] Yeah.

[709] But eight, they have to be eight really good singers.

[710] Or you have 14, like, pretty good singers.

[711] And they allow you to just add on because this would be like saying, you know, the Chicago Bowls, they only can play with five.

[712] But the Pistons, they should get six or seven players to round it out because they don't have a shooter unless they bring in the six.

[713] Yeah, let's add a few skills that were missing out of these boys.

[714] Yeah.

[715] We didn't have any technique, really.

[716] We were all in choir.

[717] You had to be in choir in order to be in the octet.

[718] Choir really was hard for me. I would try to not attend choir practice as much as possible.

[719] Loved Acapella.

[720] You felt like you were in a band instead of a class?

[721] That's exactly the actual sessions matter more.

[722] I was just impatient when people couldn't get their parts in choir.

[723] Really, you were like, I'm too good for this.

[724] Too good for this.

[725] I don't know.

[726] I just.

[727] They shouldn't be here.

[728] The Sopranos for 10 minutes.

[729] Just try and get it.

[730] It's like when I just watched you guys do Misenberg.

[731] It's that same thing.

[732] Yeah.

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[734] This is too much.

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[751] You were on Law & Order at 14.

[752] Maybe.

[753] It was before high school.

[754] So maybe it was 8th grade 14.

[755] I shot one single scene.

[756] And then it was just kid and internet cafe.

[757] Okay.

[758] But it was exciting.

[759] I'd auditioned for Law & Order probably five times before getting kid and internet cafe.

[760] So it was big.

[761] Fuck, yeah.

[762] That's a exciting day.

[763] It was.

[764] I missed school.

[765] I came into the city the night before and stayed at my brother Tim's house and memorized my five lines over and over.

[766] And what would we give that performance?

[767] We gave the window dressing one and an eight or nine.

[768] Oh, I'd give it a six.

[769] I don't think I was very good.

[770] Yeah.

[771] I was so depressed afterwards.

[772] I thought I bombed it.

[773] I thought it was horrible.

[774] Oh, man. I'd done the movie at 11 years old.

[775] And this is my my next job, I think, and it matters so much to put this on your resume.

[776] I mean, I'm just the kind of person that just wants to nail it every scene, every day, every line, everything.

[777] I walk away from every scene and every day running through to see if I did it.

[778] Right.

[779] You shit the bed or not.

[780] Yeah.

[781] Still?

[782] Yes.

[783] I believe it.

[784] But you must at this point have had the experience where you gave yourself a C and you watch it and you're like, oh no, that's actually one of the better scenes I'm in.

[785] And then a scene you thought you fucking reinvented everything.

[786] You watch it in, you're like, it's just average.

[787] Absolutely.

[788] I think you can build a healthy relationship with this job based on those two experiences where you can tell yourself, like, I actually don't know when I'm as good as much as I think I am.

[789] So it's almost pointless for me to evaluate.

[790] The director will tell me. Yeah, but even a director telling me I killed it, you know.

[791] Yeah, I don't know.

[792] Not that they use that term.

[793] Well, you fucking killed.

[794] But you fucking killed that fourth take.

[795] Yeah.

[796] It kind of doesn't matter what anybody says to me. Maybe if another actor in the scene tells me something.

[797] Also, you don't want to fish from an actor that you're doing a scene with about just yourself.

[798] Yes.

[799] You want to maybe first be like, you were awesome.

[800] You were locked in and hope you get a thing back from them.

[801] Yeah.

[802] I'm going to run through it and I'm going to scrutinize it.

[803] And you have those days that you feel like I'm meant to do this.

[804] This is what I'm supposed to be doing.

[805] I brought it home.

[806] People were laughing or they didn't even say anything, but I just know I was dialed.

[807] And then other days where I go home, like it was Law & Order SVU.

[808] I mean, I think I cried to my mom that night.

[809] Yeah.

[810] He was like, I just was bad.

[811] I was so bad today.

[812] It's such a heartbreaking career.

[813] It is.

[814] It's all about yourself.

[815] That's something I get kind of exhausted by is how much you're thinking about yourself.

[816] every part of being an actor is how can I do better what do I not have but you can't help it you're right there's so much self -exploration and there's a kind of principle in a a that I totally believe in which is the root of almost all my problems are me thinking about myself and evaluating what I need what could make me happier what that person has right and that the act of service is good for them but fuck that it's actually good for you because it's very hard to think about yourself and all your little trivial needs and desires while you're actually engaged in helping someone.

[817] So it's like this great freedom from yourself.

[818] And you're right, this job is so inward facing.

[819] You're not even at a clerk's desk dealing with customers.

[820] You're in your bedroom going like, when was I mad like this?

[821] My life is what will inform the work that I will do.

[822] Yeah.

[823] Even with success, I feel like it's still about you because what do I look like here?

[824] What are these pictures look like?

[825] Yeah, it's the weird part of doing this.

[826] And yeah, even in success, like that doesn't go away and maybe it even gets bigger.

[827] Yeah.

[828] Now it's being magnified.

[829] Yeah, you can justify the need to be thinking about yourself because people care.

[830] Yes.

[831] I should be thinking about this.

[832] Yeah, because Twitter will say something about it or I'll hate the pictures if I take a bad picture on a red carpet.

[833] And before I'd go to a carpet as a teenager and they don't know your name.

[834] And that picture, probably will get deleted after you take it on the carpet.

[835] They might even just be making the flash go off to make you feel good.

[836] Yeah, or not even take a picture.

[837] Sometimes they didn't even pull their camera up.

[838] This is horrible.

[839] Yeah.

[840] You would imagine if you started getting some success, you would become less self -conscious and probably feel more like you belong there.

[841] And that you would have some kind of confidence about the overall career you're building.

[842] But I think it just gets scarier and scarier.

[843] You know, you rack up all these different things between 2001 and 2012, let's say.

[844] There's no pressure.

[845] You just, you want to get some working at some paychecks.

[846] Now you have something to fuck up.

[847] Now you have an opportunity.

[848] Now your foot's like in the real door.

[849] And now it's like, well, God, what I pursue and how I am in the thing is going to either take this from me. It's about securing that this thing you build doesn't get taken.

[850] It's terrifying, right?

[851] Yeah.

[852] you're thinking about the fact that people will watch this as opposed to, I hope they watch this.

[853] I'd be like, I'm on a guest star for Without a Trace next week.

[854] So tune in on CBS on a Wednesday.

[855] You're like praying a girl you likes happens to see that.

[856] Yes.

[857] Or as this show in particular, every single human being in show business watches succession and loves it.

[858] Like every single peer watches it, which is radical.

[859] in a lot of ways.

[860] Very gratifying.

[861] It's a lot of things.

[862] It's changed everything.

[863] You know, it's changed my life, my success, what I'm allowed to do.

[864] See, I do this thing where I maybe try to lie to myself or convince myself that people maybe don't watch it.

[865] Like in this room, I'm kind of like, maybe you guys have seen some of it, but you probably haven't seen 30 episodes.

[866] We love it.

[867] It's undeniably so good.

[868] Oh, my God.

[869] It's so perfect.

[870] I don't watch comedy, too aware of how the sausage is being made.

[871] I really only like dramas for the most part.

[872] So this thing is the ultimate Trojan horse because it brought me in because it was a slick drama.

[873] Slowly I'm learning it's the best comedy on television and it tricked me. I didn't know when it started that it really was a comedy.

[874] Like we did a table read.

[875] Everyone was laughing the whole time in episode three and then four or five.

[876] You know, it continued and all the table rees and Adam McKay directed the pilot.

[877] It's not like we didn't know.

[878] It's not like Matthew and I didn't think our scene was funny in the baseball field and my stuff at the amusement park was funny.

[879] Yes.

[880] But I felt like the pilot was 80 % super dramatic.

[881] The family dynamic stuff and the trust and the will, I think, is the main thing in the pilot that they're talking about.

[882] And that was heavy.

[883] But yeah, it became funny.

[884] And now it's just, I mean, this season is fucking hilarious.

[885] It is.

[886] I mean, it's still drama at its core.

[887] Sure.

[888] Well, you guys have reached this sweet spot where it's like the characters are so fleshed out now that we expect certain things.

[889] So it's like you can parachute into funny shit quicker.

[890] It just gets more efficient.

[891] Our anticipation is such when you and Tom will interact.

[892] Did Jesse Armstrong know it was a comedy right out of the gates?

[893] Or did he start seeing what was working and also was flexible and allowed it to be what it was at its greatest?

[894] Probably both.

[895] He worked on mainly comedies before.

[896] But I think he also did try a bunch of things, try relationship dynamics, and give characters certain traits or put them in certain situations and then see if they felt good.

[897] There's been a bunch of things that they've planted that they just cut him out.

[898] But he is super flexible.

[899] Like I think the Jerry Roman relationship came out of a random improv and, you know, just a moment.

[900] Yeah.

[901] Where they flirted with each other.

[902] And so that just got built out of that.

[903] If Matthew and I didn't spark like we did, I don't know if that relationship would be as important to the show as it is.

[904] Yeah.

[905] So he really followed his gut.

[906] All the writers did.

[907] And by the way, my stomach is gurgling hard because I haven't eaten in like 16 hours.

[908] So I don't know if this mic picks up gurgles.

[909] I can't hear it.

[910] But would you like a kind bar or something?

[911] Or do you need to take a shit?

[912] Both are options.

[913] Maybe both.

[914] Do you want to eat a kind bar and shit at the same time?

[915] There's not even a door on this bathroom.

[916] That would be so.

[917] Keep the mic in there and just keep talking.

[918] But I will say it fast -track things between you and Monica because if she could handle that whole thing, you guys could leave here and get married.

[919] That's true.

[920] You would really be fast forward.

[921] If that happened in there?

[922] Yeah, if you go take a huge shit right now.

[923] And then when you come out, she's like, yeah, great.

[924] I think that puts you like 80 % of the way there to marriage.

[925] Who are you comfortable around me, if that's something.

[926] And she's very accepting, we'll have learned.

[927] That's cool.

[928] That probably feel good to me. too.

[929] Of course.

[930] Everyone's winning.

[931] I'm the only loser.

[932] I am worried now that you do need a kind bar.

[933] Yeah, do you want a kind bar?

[934] Can we get him a kind bar?

[935] Yeah, I will.

[936] Eat one.

[937] Definitely.

[938] There we go.

[939] That's right.

[940] Do you have kids, Rob?

[941] You know not to offer choices to anybody.

[942] You just hand them something.

[943] Okay, yeah.

[944] I'll just take a look at them.

[945] You know better.

[946] See you with the...

[947] You made Wabi drop all those kind bars.

[948] My kids are not aware that any options in the world exists.

[949] You want a bowl of Cheerios?

[950] Do you want cereal?

[951] That could be 25 minutes.

[952] That's really smart.

[953] Good parenting.

[954] Well, really just with Delta.

[955] She has a heart type.

[956] Yeah.

[957] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[958] What's that, it's called something?

[959] Decision fatigue.

[960] Oh, decision fatigue.

[961] Yeah.

[962] The saddest thing to watch our eight -year -old is on Halloween night, and she lays out her candy on the floor, and we'll tell her, like, you can have four.

[963] And she can't.

[964] She ends up not eating anything.

[965] It's so sweet.

[966] I mean, we don't eat.

[967] even do that now because like if you introduce that it'll totally short -circuit her but yeah she can't if you give her a lot of options we're all fucked we're going to be here for the rest of the day she's so sweet it matters so much what candy are you going to eat that night it's important i can't figure out if it's that it's like i don't want to choose wrong or i want the best it's the same right if you choose wrong one feels more depressing from her point of view You know, she's going to do it wrong.

[968] Yeah.

[969] I don't want her to be motivated of doing it wrong, but I don't mind if she's taking a lot of times she wants to do it right.

[970] Every candy in front of her is, like, amazing.

[971] What am I going to give myself?

[972] Because they're all going to be incredible.

[973] And I only get so many.

[974] Maybe it's even about what order.

[975] Like, I want this to be the final taste I have in my mouth before bed so that it lasts.

[976] Don't you think this comes from you?

[977] Yeah.

[978] The more we're talking about, it's very cute.

[979] Well, my whole thing was after Halloween, I had an older brother, and he and his friends, they'd draw a whole map of our neighborhood, Oxford Acres, and then they would draw their route so that they never double back.

[980] So they had it all mapped out, and then I was privy to that, and we used pillowcases.

[981] And the goal was to fill a fucking pillowcase.

[982] And you ran the whole time.

[983] So I was just like trying to keep up, and I would have way too much candy.

[984] And I'm such a hoarder and a good saver that, like, I'd put myself.

[985] on a schedule, I never would get through the candy bike the next Halloween candy from the previous year.

[986] I just was trying to keep it forever.

[987] And your parents wouldn't throw it away eventually?

[988] No. That's rotten candy.

[989] You shouldn't be eating that.

[990] My mom, A, it was free calories.

[991] This is 80s.

[992] The 80s.

[993] My mom was a single mom that was really stretching things to make ends meet.

[994] So it was like, yeah, man, they just brought a sack of calories.

[995] I don't have to make dinner for it.

[996] for the next month.

[997] How's your belly feel now?

[998] And did you just grab your belly as your tummy?

[999] I can just try to go back in town.

[1000] Did I say that?

[1001] I don't.

[1002] I'm trying to remember.

[1003] The way you padded your belly makes me think you said tummy.

[1004] I don't think I did.

[1005] Okay.

[1006] I'm going to say one thing critical about you right now.

[1007] I think I've been pretty complimentary thus far.

[1008] Yeah.

[1009] We've been together for an hour now.

[1010] You haven't said anything about my shirt.

[1011] I had to dig so fucking deep in my closet to find this.

[1012] it was first of all covered up by the mic i couldn't have seen the full i'm scared i just saw pa and er and panther football would be about friday night lights yes because i did the friday night lights thing on my instagram the tim riggins you also did a like with a magazine a story where you celebrated tim riggins that's the thing where i dressed it didn't emanate from your instagram you might have posted the magazine article you did right right but i'm like how did you find that i read the source material Oh, you did, okay.

[1013] Yeah, the article.

[1014] W. Mac, maybe, or I don't know.

[1015] I had never seen the title when I clicked on it.

[1016] Wow.

[1017] Okay.

[1018] Damn.

[1019] That's a deep cut.

[1020] Yes, and I'm just patiently waiting for you.

[1021] What happened?

[1022] I don't understand.

[1023] He had to say what his favorite TV show was.

[1024] And it was Friday Night Lights and his adoration for Tim Riggins and the fantasy of what it would be like to be to Briggins.

[1025] And I totally relate.

[1026] And I'm so in love with Tim Riggins.

[1027] It's like when I would see scenes with he and Minkie Kelly, who was Lila Garrity, Bud Garrity's daughter.

[1028] Oh, I love it.

[1029] I wanted Riggins' top to come off, and I wanted to see that chassis.

[1030] He's so gorgeous, though, isn't he?

[1031] So, so hot.

[1032] He's so far from me as a guy.

[1033] You just wish that you could be that guy.

[1034] And I guess drink beers for breakfast and show up to school, work on cars.

[1035] So much of it's about a jawline.

[1036] The jaw line does a lot of the lifting.

[1037] It's huge.

[1038] A face and a jawline, I mean, they can really define the type of character you can play.

[1039] Yeah, they open up a lot of different avenues.

[1040] Yeah.

[1041] I don't know if Greg would be Greg with a super strong jawline and good apps.

[1042] Right.

[1043] I don't know.

[1044] I like to tell myself.

[1045] Do you?

[1046] I'd like to see them later.

[1047] Let's talk about that for one second.

[1048] Yeah.

[1049] Your options have changed throughout your life pretty dramatically.

[1050] In terms of women?

[1051] They changed in my life.

[1052] Yeah, once I got on television and I had some money and stuff, there's a different scope of people.

[1053] interested to me. That was discernible in your life?

[1054] Yeah, I think so.

[1055] Did you have a girlfriend in high school?

[1056] I had a girlfriend in high school junior year.

[1057] We broke up for summer.

[1058] I went and made this movie Sky High Disney movie.

[1059] Disney, 2005.

[1060] My kids love it.

[1061] Kids who are now adults who were Disney age back then, they still love it.

[1062] I missed the first two months of school filming that movie, and I came back and my best friend had started dating her.

[1063] Oh.

[1064] Oh.

[1065] That one went out the window.

[1066] And he was my roommate too so they would come in oh they had this thing called parietals i still don't even know what that word is parietals which was permission to have the girl come into your to your dorm and vice versa parietals are the bones on the top of your skull this is called your parietal crest these are your par is a weird word they were using to say visitation p -a -r -i -e -t -l that's what i think it was It, I -T -I -L is the one I'm talking about.

[1067] Did it change you, that experience?

[1068] Did it make you hate?

[1069] Women.

[1070] Or friends.

[1071] Or anyone.

[1072] I'm a really jealous person romantically.

[1073] And so, yeah, that did her.

[1074] It hurt.

[1075] That did her.

[1076] Even though I think I had broken up with her going into summer.

[1077] So when I saw them together, canoodling in the student union and her sitting on his lap and them kissing.

[1078] Her coming to the room.

[1079] Oh, yeah.

[1080] All that stuff was like brutal.

[1081] You chose something over her, and she felt like she needed to choose something over you.

[1082] Yeah, for herself.

[1083] Yeah, she needed to do the right thing for herself.

[1084] And I'm proud of her.

[1085] Yeah, me too.

[1086] Great move.

[1087] Now, guys, I hate to do another thing.

[1088] You have to pee.

[1089] I have to pee.

[1090] We'll step up so you can go.

[1091] Oh, thank you very much.

[1092] That's what we do.

[1093] I've got to get the right size lipper, though, before I...

[1094] Oh, yeah.

[1095] Get that fatty tangle.

[1096] Okay, I know why you peed when you did.

[1097] Because we're talking about romance, and you're getting nervous.

[1098] And you don't want to acknowledge that your options.

[1099] went through the roof.

[1100] When that power hits you, in so many ways, it's the fairy tale one's been having since they were 12 years old, that girls would like you.

[1101] Definitely.

[1102] I'm still not very good at believing that.

[1103] But you have to be aware of what's happening right now, right?

[1104] We're like on Dumois, like go to this bar.

[1105] Cousin Greg is at this bar.

[1106] Yes.

[1107] Tell me about that.

[1108] I don't know about that.

[1109] What's Dumae.

[1110] See and be seen account?

[1111] Kind of.

[1112] Yeah, they'll post like this person was here, It's like kind of gossipy, I guess.

[1113] He was with a girl or he was making out with somebody.

[1114] It's like shoot your shot.

[1115] Cousin Greg is there.

[1116] Oh, wow.

[1117] Yeah, because I own this bar called Raze.

[1118] I'm a part owner in this bar called Rays.

[1119] Oh, in real life.

[1120] In real life.

[1121] So that was the first bar I was invested in.

[1122] And so I would go there a pretty good amount.

[1123] You got to keep them in business.

[1124] Yeah, exactly.

[1125] That was in July of 2019.

[1126] So that was kind of as things were taking.

[1127] off with the show.

[1128] Yeah, I guess it was a place that I frequented and they knew I could be there.

[1129] You're so nervous.

[1130] I know.

[1131] I'm really, I'm really tolling the line here.

[1132] Because I don't...

[1133] Just tell me your fears.

[1134] Yeah.

[1135] Like what is it you're afraid of that you'll sound like what?

[1136] A player?

[1137] Not a player.

[1138] I've seen it so many times where you say a thing and then it gets snatched up and thrown into the internet.

[1139] Twitter culture and TikTok videos.

[1140] You know, people who go to race to find me, put up TikTok.

[1141] and stuff.

[1142] So it is nice when I'm like, okay, well, that girl's looking at me or that girl's looking at me, that girl.

[1143] Yes, of course.

[1144] You're a person.

[1145] Of course it's going to feel good.

[1146] But I trust almost no stranger girl that I meet.

[1147] It definitely has happened since 2019 because I was sort of like, oh, cool.

[1148] Like, we're at the bar and I meet this girl.

[1149] Or I'm somewhere else and I meet a girl, whatever.

[1150] I want you two to talk right now.

[1151] Great.

[1152] Because you guys have the same thing.

[1153] And I'm always mad at Monica about it.

[1154] Which is, she's like, I'm like, that guy's in love with you.

[1155] And she's like, he likes the show.

[1156] And I'm like, yeah, but you're you on the show.

[1157] So, like, what's the fear?

[1158] Yeah, what I wanted to say was that in 2019, I was sort of like, cool, this is fun.

[1159] We can hook up or we can date.

[1160] It can be the common route of dating or just hooking up.

[1161] Let's add, you're 31 at the time in 2019.

[1162] Yep, that was fun.

[1163] And yeah, Dumois would see me and things like that, but I didn't really care that much.

[1164] It's not shameful for me to be with a girl as a single man. Exactly.

[1165] Oh, God, they saw me with a girl.

[1166] No. Well, that's the thing I don't think we should succumb to.

[1167] There is this weird bent right now, which would be like being sexual is somehow predatorial.

[1168] And I fucking hate that.

[1169] It's like, no, no, no. First of all, we look at the statistics and the younger generations are having sex less.

[1170] That's not a good thing.

[1171] It's a very bad thing.

[1172] In exploring all these different power dynamics that needed to be explored, It did put a whole haze over anyone just fucking, which is a lovely activity for single people to have.

[1173] Yes, or people are fucking.

[1174] They're out there.

[1175] They're doing it, but men can't talk about that they did.

[1176] It's way better for men in general, but for me as a person of some level of fame to just keep my mouth shut, never talk about it.

[1177] Because it is just this dance right now.

[1178] And you say one thing about like, that was cool, that that happened.

[1179] It's like, what, oh, you know.

[1180] This guy's a misogynist.

[1181] He likes sex with women.

[1182] Yeah, exactly.

[1183] What an animal.

[1184] What a sicko.

[1185] Yeah, this sick fuck gets his jollies off by having intercourse with women.

[1186] But can I tell you one thing, I'll just add.

[1187] A lot of it you participate in.

[1188] I don't know this about you specifically.

[1189] Yeah.

[1190] But what people really sense is they can smell if someone's shameable.

[1191] That's also part of it.

[1192] If I sense you're shameable, then we start up the shame machine.

[1193] It's almost like when it appears someone's trying to keep a secret from all of us that I think is what actually gives it its fuel.

[1194] Does that make any sense to you?

[1195] 100%.

[1196] It does.

[1197] I think about a version of being myself where I just say like exactly what I do and I say it pridefully.

[1198] Yes.

[1199] And I'm just not there.

[1200] There is too much at stake to be that guy.

[1201] To find out.

[1202] To risk it.

[1203] Exactly.

[1204] If it would weather well or not.

[1205] That's it.

[1206] Yeah, I mean, if there's objectively nothing wrong, it's not like someone's not consenting.

[1207] I mean, I think that's the fear that people put is like, oh, he's somehow made people have sex with him.

[1208] And that's not true.

[1209] The reason they're posting it is so that they can come find you.

[1210] Well, that's where we got really.

[1211] They're seeking you out.

[1212] Yes, yes, yes.

[1213] They're literally coming to a place to meet me and whatever.

[1214] Yeah.

[1215] And it is weird that I have to sort of not acknowledge that or.

[1216] be aware of it.

[1217] Or I guess I'm pretending to not be.

[1218] It's very curious.

[1219] Here's what happened.

[1220] We conflated some shit.

[1221] So I think in the Me Too movement, we started looking at power dynamics.

[1222] Obviously, bosses, employees, that's a rough one.

[1223] That probably does need to be checked pretty regularly.

[1224] Although I do absolutely think a boss in a subordinate can fall in love.

[1225] I think if you reverse it and it's a female that's the boss and I don't give a fuck.

[1226] No one gives a fuck.

[1227] Definitely.

[1228] Bad situations out there.

[1229] But we go to work, most of us, for 50.

[1230] hours, 60 hours, 70 hours.

[1231] On a set, it's 14 hour days, 15 hour days sometimes.

[1232] It's your whole life.

[1233] Really hard conditions.

[1234] But you're getting to bond with people and see them do the thing they love.

[1235] Having a relationship with someone you meet at work makes total sense.

[1236] Not everybody's at the same level.

[1237] Right.

[1238] You got to pray that you meet someone you like that's exactly on the lateral line you're on.

[1239] Right.

[1240] Because if they're above you, then they're in trouble.

[1241] If they're below you, you're in trouble.

[1242] That seems a little insane to me. It's nuanced.

[1243] I mean, I think, yes, all this can happen.

[1244] and it totally makes sense.

[1245] But the problem is when the superior, when they fall out of love, or if the subordinate breaks up or does something, quote, wrong, that can then affect their career because the other person has full control and full power.

[1246] It's very hard for people to separate their personal lives and their professional ones.

[1247] I agree, but to me, that's the zone that needs to be policed, not the hooking up.

[1248] It's human nature.

[1249] I'm just saying if you've had an affair with someone at work and then you guys break up and then you fire the person, that's the issue.

[1250] To me, it wasn't the falling in love.

[1251] It was the how you then treated the person post being in love.

[1252] But can we tell someone to completely compartmentalize?

[1253] I don't even know if it's possible for that boss, even if they don't fire, if they are cold, if they, I mean, anything normal, like a normal thing that would go down between two people in a relationship.

[1254] If that's your boss, that makes you really uncomfortable at work every day.

[1255] That sucks.

[1256] So I guess you just can't break up.

[1257] If you're going to hook up at work, our new rule, we just figured it out.

[1258] You better to get married.

[1259] You got to stay until the job ends.

[1260] That's right.

[1261] Yeah.

[1262] That solves everything.

[1263] We figured it out.

[1264] But at any rate, so I think that power dynamic, which is totally true and needs to be monitored, got applied to anyone in life who has status, which I think is bullshit, because someone at the bar that likes you because you have status, they don't work for you.

[1265] Yeah, no, that's true.

[1266] You don't have any power over their life.

[1267] You're not offering them opportunity.

[1268] No, I agree.

[1269] But they somehow wanted to shine that light on anyone that just has status, like, implying you could only be with someone of lateral or superior status or you would somehow be predatory.

[1270] That's the thing that I think got weirdly planted in all this.

[1271] Yeah, you're right.

[1272] I think it's complete horseshit.

[1273] Well, it's also attractive to someone.

[1274] that someone else is successful at what they do.

[1275] Yes.

[1276] I'm attracted to people with high status.

[1277] Every human being is attracted to people with high status.

[1278] Yes.

[1279] We're a social primate.

[1280] The notion that we're not attracted to status is preposterous.

[1281] So then what you're saying is, well, you can't explore your attraction because it's based on this status thing.

[1282] That's not how it works.

[1283] Yeah, I'm so scared of this conversation.

[1284] I am so scared.

[1285] Monica, you can say everything and we will agree.

[1286] No, I know, no. I know, Daxx, I know you're saying things that are true, too, but it just is tough.

[1287] We don't necessarily have to kill the conversation.

[1288] I'm just saying midway through this.

[1289] But what is, I think what you guys could both explore, which I think it would be really fun for me to hear, is like the core insecurity.

[1290] This is so condescending.

[1291] I would take this as condescending.

[1292] I recognize that.

[1293] But my hunch is you both have the same fear, and it's not actually the fear you think it is.

[1294] What you guys would say is, no, I don't trust this person because they're attracted to.

[1295] either me on TV, which I'm not, they're attracted to Greg and they're attracted to succession and that's not me. So I don't trust their motives or I don't believe them.

[1296] When some person from the world, not a celebrity, has an experience and has had an experience with me, they talk about it.

[1297] Of course.

[1298] And then it's their story.

[1299] And it's not something they're going to keep secret because, oh yeah, it was just like dating another guy from a dating app or something.

[1300] I don't need to tell that story to anybody or lots of people.

[1301] But when they have hooked up with a celebrity it's a great story for them to share with all absolutely that's part of the reason why i've had to be increasingly kind of paranoid because if you have a hookup and maybe it's weird or maybe it's awkward yeah as many are which is the nature of dating and hooking up is that two people are not always good for each other and the chemistry is not always there and they kiss horribly and they don't know how to touch each other and one's really sweaty and one's not They don't care.

[1302] And one, you know, at some point, one of them doesn't want to be there anymore.

[1303] And that goes both ways.

[1304] Remove the fame aspect from it.

[1305] I'm a man attracted to or hoping to date a girl.

[1306] And we're allowed to fail at it.

[1307] Yes.

[1308] But when adding the fame back in and we fail at it, now they have a story.

[1309] And they can say any story, really, because I'm not there to be like, actually, she was a bad kisser.

[1310] Right, right, right.

[1311] Actually, I was really tired that night.

[1312] And your character is so specific on succession.

[1313] So there's maybe an inclination for some people to want to know is he like him or make that connection.

[1314] And then that would make me paranoid too of like, why are they here?

[1315] Are they here to see if I'm cousin Greg or are they here to hang out with me?

[1316] Yeah, they sometimes say, hi, Greg.

[1317] Right.

[1318] They don't know I'm Nick.

[1319] They don't know there's a person behind it.

[1320] Right.

[1321] They've watched 30 hours of me on TV.

[1322] I go, hey, Greg.

[1323] And I have to be like, oh, yeah, names Nick.

[1324] I mean, those are the ones to just really stay away from.

[1325] Yeah.

[1326] Yeah, yeah.

[1327] Yeah, that's a pretty easy filter.

[1328] Yeah, yeah.

[1329] I guess what's gotten harder about it is you don't want there to be any disappointment.

[1330] Talk about driving home from set, worrying about whether you said your line correctly.

[1331] gosh, that was a weird one, or we had a bad vibe, or whatever.

[1332] And if you just want to stop talking, it feels like I have to have kind of a breakup.

[1333] You want to leave them totally good, no matter what extent you had a thing.

[1334] And so it's just not for me right now.

[1335] I mean, you're in a different phase.

[1336] You're a person who, like, speaks their truth every time you sit down in this chair.

[1337] I guess I would imagine I've never even done a long -form podcast.

[1338] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1339] It's my first one.

[1340] Yeah.

[1341] I haven't spoken about the nuance of it, and it's, I don't know.

[1342] Totally.

[1343] By the way, I'm in a relationship now.

[1344] Oh, you know.

[1345] I moved on from this chapter of my life and hopefully for a long time because we have a very good thing.

[1346] Okay, great.

[1347] Thank God.

[1348] I didn't get famous in the era that you did.

[1349] Meeting some girl I thought was so beautiful and she wanted me to take my clothes off.

[1350] This is incredible.

[1351] I loved it.

[1352] Totally.

[1353] So much.

[1354] I had a side issue with it, which is just I'm a fucking addict.

[1355] So my issue is an internal one where I'll start regulating my own self -esteem with other people, which I think is unethical, and I didn't want to be that person.

[1356] But I fuck, fuck, fuck, and it was so fun.

[1357] Absolutely.

[1358] A ton of people generally do like it.

[1359] It's a real good time.

[1360] You could say a large percentage of people like to have sex.

[1361] You could say that.

[1362] I think it's fair to say that.

[1363] And when you're using sex addictively as I did, like any other drug you would be.

[1364] into, you start learning how to prolong the whole thing.

[1365] To me, so much of it is like trying to live in that build up for as long as humanly possible so that you're just in that zone of dopamine and approval and all that.

[1366] Pre -sex.

[1367] Yes, yes, yes.

[1368] That becomes more of the goal for me. It's like, how long can we live in this bubble?

[1369] We're going to get in this bubble together.

[1370] We're talking, we know what's going to happen eventually.

[1371] We were talking.

[1372] Now we're looking at each other in a very interesting way now this is very clear to you and me we want to touch each other now we're in the bubble and it's like everything that's happening between now and then is euphoric and lovely and makes you forget about the whole outside world and the bubble's very intoxicating and powerful i would think as a sex addict you would want to just get to the sex part quickly you're like oh this can happen let's go but you're saying the opposite right in the same way that as someone who was an alcoholic, I don't want to go to the bar, drink 11 shots, and then be throwing up and pass out of my car 45 minutes later.

[1373] That's not the goal.

[1374] I want to try to get 14 hours out of this.

[1375] So I got to learn to have a shot, then I'm nurse a beer for 45 minutes, then a shot, then a nurse a beer.

[1376] Hey, six shots and six beers later, it's time for a hamburger.

[1377] It's about prolonging the feeling.

[1378] Yes, living in the feeling as long as humanly possible.

[1379] I'm kind of like a different thing.

[1380] Okay.

[1381] I'm kind of like...

[1382] You're probably not a sex addict.

[1383] I don't want to spend too much time on this, like kind of all around.

[1384] I just thought that it's kind of like when I smoked weed.

[1385] Yeah.

[1386] I'd be like, oh man, this first 30 minutes, we're cracking up.

[1387] This is the first hour in high school or college.

[1388] I kind of stopped smoking around then, but we'd be watching something, and it's like amazing.

[1389] And then the next six hours are just anxiety and panic and self -criticism.

[1390] and get me off this drug.

[1391] I don't want to be on this drug anymore.

[1392] I can't pick up my phone.

[1393] I can't even text.

[1394] I'm not a person inside my actual self.

[1395] So I'm just wasting time.

[1396] Oh my God, this is five hours.

[1397] I can't return a call.

[1398] I can't even think straight.

[1399] I'm just like gulping in a way that I'm imagining my uvula falling into my stomach when I'm swallowing or my hands are detached from my body.

[1400] All these horrible things are just happening while on And we, and I just want to be done with it.

[1401] You know, if I don't know the person well, if we don't have chemistry, we're actually viving, you know, and sometimes you sign up for a dinner with somebody, because that's what you do for dates is you usually get dinner.

[1402] Sure.

[1403] It was a common one.

[1404] Yeah.

[1405] Yeah.

[1406] That's like one of the main ones is like, get dinner.

[1407] And then you're at the dinner for like three hours.

[1408] And you pretend in the beginning, you're like, yeah, yeah, we're so.

[1409] busy learning about each other.

[1410] We can't even order.

[1411] We haven't even looked at the menu.

[1412] I'm like, let's look at the fucking menu.

[1413] We got to get the food going.

[1414] Let's get the food on the table so we can move through because I'm not feeling it.

[1415] I know I'm not feeling it.

[1416] Yeah.

[1417] So that's why dating was just hard in general because I was like it mostly is hard.

[1418] Stay tuned for more armchair expert if you dare.

[1419] Okay.

[1420] Boy, we really...

[1421] We went on a ride.

[1422] I want you to know something.

[1423] I want to flatter you.

[1424] This morning, I was learning you did music, and then I searched Spotify for antibodies.

[1425] Oh, gosh.

[1426] And it just started.

[1427] My wife was getting ready in the bathroom.

[1428] And I'm only playing it over my phone.

[1429] I'm shocked she even heard it.

[1430] And she came in and started doing all the lyrics really aggressively.

[1431] Pants off, pants off, pants off.

[1432] Yeah.

[1433] I'm like, you know this song?

[1434] She's like, I love this.

[1435] that song.

[1436] Oh my God.

[1437] Yeah, she's obsessed with that song.

[1438] Apparently, she's on Instagram a lot that I'm not watching.

[1439] And in those moments, she's heavily frequenting your page and learning of antibodies.

[1440] Yes.

[1441] And then memorizing the whole song.

[1442] That's awesome.

[1443] She does love your Instagram.

[1444] She sends stuff out from your Instagram.

[1445] Forwards.

[1446] She forwards.

[1447] She does a lot of forwarding.

[1448] Yeah.

[1449] That's cool.

[1450] Are you flattered?

[1451] That's good.

[1452] Yeah.

[1453] I just am not very active.

[1454] So I'm like, Okay, good.

[1455] When I become active, they get sent.

[1456] They do.

[1457] Well, then, she's like, well, you've seen the Kim Kardashian video, haven't you?

[1458] I'm like, no. And then she pulls up on her computer.

[1459] She wants me to watch it full screen.

[1460] And then I watch this whole thing, which is fucking brilliant.

[1461] You've seen it?

[1462] I'm sure I have.

[1463] She loved it.

[1464] I'm sure she said it.

[1465] Do you want to explain it or do you want me to explain it?

[1466] It's the day that they've gotten divorced, Kanye and Kim Kardashian.

[1467] Mm -hmm, mm -hmm.

[1468] I'm saying how sad I am and how.

[1469] it's so shitty for them and man i hope kim finds someone and how would she even find someone it could even happen through like a video that like goes on the internet like somebody talking right just into their phone but it's so subtle trying to court her you're getting hints that it's coming like you get a sense this is where we're going but it's perfectly unraveled that it's a pitch to basically date him was very very funny yeah i met kim After that, a pretty long time after that, but we were at the same restaurant and I was with the Succession cast and she came in with like three bodyguards at the Sunset Tower.

[1470] I was like, oh, wow, there she is.

[1471] How do I even cut through the bodyguards to introduce myself?

[1472] She waved me over.

[1473] You specifically.

[1474] Yeah.

[1475] So then the big guys let you in.

[1476] Yeah.

[1477] And I was like, hey, how you doing?

[1478] And she was really warm, really nice.

[1479] We were going to do a thing on Ellen, but it didn't end up happening.

[1480] And she was like, yeah, I wanted to do that thing on Ellen with you.

[1481] I was like, did you see, see the video I put up?

[1482] She's like, oh my God, I love the video.

[1483] And all her friends at the table had seen it too.

[1484] And so that actually got to her.

[1485] I never heard from her or got a response.

[1486] But that was pretty crazy, pretty cool.

[1487] I love that.

[1488] It doesn't always go as seamlessly as yours went.

[1489] Yeah, it could have been a dinner where I'm just looking over once a minute to just sort of catch her eye and it never happens.

[1490] And I'm like, oh, well, she hated that video.

[1491] Oh, no. Okay, we've talked about Succession in that all three of us really, really love it.

[1492] I have a similar attraction to Shiv as I did to Lila Garrity.

[1493] I find her so attractive.

[1494] It's crazy.

[1495] Yeah, Sarah Snook.

[1496] Sarah Snook, yeah.

[1497] Oh, beautiful.

[1498] In addition to being brilliant on the show, that slight lovesick feeling when you're watching something.

[1499] Oh, wow.

[1500] Yeah, I love that feeling.

[1501] Oh, that's cool.

[1502] Yeah.

[1503] I'll let her know.

[1504] Please do.

[1505] Let me make a video.

[1506] Make her a little video.

[1507] And then you just be watching it next to her and see if it.

[1508] It could be like You could start out talking about how Lila Garrity was so unattainable And you never thought there would be somebody who you'd feel that way towards again Like it just felt impossible because Lila was just like perfect And then you started watching this show a few years ago And realized that same feeling was happening again in your gut and in your loins And you said it's back after 20 years That feeling is back Spring has finally arrived Yeah After 20 years.

[1509] And this time, maybe I'll go for it.

[1510] Yes.

[1511] But she is pregnant and has a husband.

[1512] I live in Australia.

[1513] I got a couple things happening over here too.

[1514] Yeah, you've got your own stuff going on.

[1515] Yeah, I'm juggling a lot of balls.

[1516] It's going to be challenging, but, you know, love always finds a way, I guess.

[1517] Yeah.

[1518] Okay, four season, what I need to ask you really quick, why in the fuck are they ending at this season?

[1519] Like, this is the final season.

[1520] I did want to mention you've been nominated twice.

[1521] for that show, which you so deserve.

[1522] But someone said, oh, yeah, this is the final season.

[1523] I'm like, why?

[1524] It's a fucking great show that everyone loves.

[1525] I'm sure all the actors would love to keep doing it.

[1526] And I'm like, well, I guess maybe Jesse Armstrong said, it's going to run its course.

[1527] And I was like, well, what it's based on, the Murdox, that hasn't run its course.

[1528] He still hasn't picked a successor.

[1529] Did you watch the five -part documentary about Murdoch that CNN did?

[1530] No. It's incredible.

[1531] You have to watch it.

[1532] I had heard that the show was loosely based on the Murdox.

[1533] And I was like, I don't know.

[1534] There's no way.

[1535] This is so crazy and extreme.

[1536] I watch this five -part doc.

[1537] It's not extreme at all.

[1538] It's almost identical, and it's still going on.

[1539] How do you feel about this being the last?

[1540] Are you convinced yourself that's right?

[1541] I think you'd rather be on something that's great the whole time than be on something that's great for four seasons and then pretty good for the last one or the last two.

[1542] I would take a pretty good version of the show over no version of the show, if I'm being honest with you.

[1543] I like the great version, but I'd be okay with the pretty good version.

[1544] I don't know.

[1545] Oh, he's explored so much.

[1546] This season is very, very good.

[1547] This is our best season, I would say.

[1548] Not like I should be ranking them or something, but I was just blown away by the scripts.

[1549] And maybe knowing it's the end, it's even more exciting when I'm reading them.

[1550] But I think it goes into some territory that's new and incredibly realistic and horrible.

[1551] It's been a big chapter of our lives already.

[1552] It has been six and a half years since we shot the pilot.

[1553] And so it's felt longer than four.

[1554] And shooting hour -long episodes is a serious endeavor.

[1555] Yeah, you're on the show for nine months to make ten episodes, right?

[1556] Exactly.

[1557] It's 12 or 13 or 14 days per episode.

[1558] Right.

[1559] Standard network TV, you get eight for a drama.

[1560] For a drama, yeah.

[1561] It's long, and I think it's hard for the writers.

[1562] I mean, Jesse is, I wouldn't say, like, hard on himself.

[1563] He's writing five movies in nine months.

[1564] Yeah, and he's writing them as the show goes on.

[1565] We don't come in and have the script.

[1566] and we're going to do them.

[1567] He's writing episode to episode.

[1568] They break the story in the writer's room for four or five months and they start writing, but even on like episode three, Jesse hasn't written six.

[1569] Then you're on episode five.

[1570] He's breaking eight, nine.

[1571] He hasn't even started right in the finale.

[1572] You know, so so much is happening and changing, which every showrunner's doing, but he's doing all these things, going into the edit, breaking the next story, writing.

[1573] He wrote five episodes this season, I think.

[1574] It's just a monstrous amount of work.

[1575] And it might be time to stop.

[1576] I shouldn't speak for him, but I do know how hard it is.

[1577] You guys get to go to such amazing locations on the show.

[1578] Did you get to go a bunch of places this year?

[1579] We went to Norway.

[1580] Oh, that's cool.

[1581] Was that so fun?

[1582] So fun.

[1583] We did Sweden, Norway, Finland, and I really liked Norway quite a bit.

[1584] Yeah, me too.

[1585] In Finland, even the most, maybe.

[1586] Where were you at in Norway?

[1587] I won't remember the names.

[1588] Okay, great.

[1589] They were out there deep in the...

[1590] Fjords.

[1591] Fjords.

[1592] Best.

[1593] Only word to describe it.

[1594] Yeah.

[1595] We're in the fjords.

[1596] The most beautiful place I think I've ever been to.

[1597] All right.

[1598] Well, this has been fun, Nicholas.

[1599] Really great.

[1600] You really get lost in the conversation in these podcasts, see?

[1601] And then you drive home.

[1602] You'll be trying to remember a two -hour conversation.

[1603] Yeah, yeah.

[1604] Let's walk through everything that's coming because it's coming.

[1605] You'll be really nervous.

[1606] Yeah.

[1607] Well, yeah, I'm going to do what I usually do after doing anything.

[1608] Anything.

[1609] Yeah.

[1610] Yeah.

[1611] And it's a lot.

[1612] I'll be packing a lip probably.

[1613] Sure, sure, sure.

[1614] And sweating a little bit.

[1615] Everyone is likable and lovable, and you need not worry.

[1616] And that's all what's coming.

[1617] You need not worry.

[1618] You need not worry.

[1619] We've never lost a man. We've never taken anyone out.

[1620] Well, Nick, my new friend, Nick, thanks for coming in.

[1621] I hope everybody, I don't even need to tell people.

[1622] A lot of people are here to promote something.

[1623] It really doesn't need any promotion.

[1624] Everyone's going to watch Succession.

[1625] I'm so excited.

[1626] Fourth and final, so really important.

[1627] Also, Cat Person, does that have a release date?

[1628] Cat Person doesn't have a release date.

[1629] They're figuring it out.

[1630] but so much of this conversation is what cat person is about oh really cat person is about an older guy and a younger girl and they meet she's working at a movie theater he's a customer a little bit of that sort of customer waiter waitress person who has to serve them dynamic she's a college girl and he's an older dude who's struggling dating and gets the balls to ask her out and it's about the sort of optimism you have when you're going on a date and trying to date someone and projecting this image onto them that you hope that they are and she's imagining like he's this big older hunky guy and he's having his probably like porn fetish about her being 18 or 19 because he's a guy who does watch a lot of porn and he's kind of a version of a guy that he's not, he's like a fake alpha but anyway things aren't the way they seem and it's based on a short story from the New Yorker and it's pretty controversial that short story because it's having this nuanced conversation like you know she did want to go to his house but then she really didn't once she was there right he pretended he was an alpha and then wasn't and he's embarrassed and ashamed and overcompensates and anyway I won't go too deep into it but maybe we'll have a part two to the conversation someday but the movie hopefully like triggers all this kind of conversation yeah Ooh, tasty.

[1631] I can see it.

[1632] All right.

[1633] Well, Nick, good luck with everything.

[1634] This was so much fun.

[1635] Everyone watched Succession and Cat Person when it comes out.

[1636] Love you.

[1637] Love you.

[1638] Bye.

[1639] And now my favorite part of the show, the fact check with my soulmate Monica Padman.

[1640] We're discussing the fact that I have a little thing in my nose and I'm certain is going to turn into a cold since everyone in my house has been sick.

[1641] Yeah.

[1642] And then complaining about it because I was already sick for fucking like five weeks.

[1643] Yeah.

[1644] At any rate.

[1645] Not fun.

[1646] Tough shit, here we are.

[1647] But then we were discussing about remedies.

[1648] Yes.

[1649] You were suggesting I pound some vitamin C. Correct.

[1650] And oregano oil.

[1651] And I, we both were saying that we like oregano oil because we hate it.

[1652] Yeah.

[1653] Has a bad taste or it has a good taste.

[1654] Bad taste and burns.

[1655] Yeah.

[1656] So you're convinced, well, this has to be working.

[1657] So are you taking it in the droplet?

[1658] Mm -hmm.

[1659] Yeah, I take the pills.

[1660] You should try the dropper.

[1661] No, I have, and I don't like that because it tastes bad.

[1662] Yeah.

[1663] The pills are better.

[1664] And it really burns, too, with that dropper, which I like.

[1665] Well, if you want to avoid the chemical burn but still get the advantages, yeah, I would go for the pills.

[1666] It's like a fish oil pill, you know, it's like you can see it in there.

[1667] The oil.

[1668] And when you burp, you taste it.

[1669] Yes.

[1670] But you would never trust any, if someone gave you something that tasted like a chocolate malt, Yeah.

[1671] From big boys in particular, my favorite mall.

[1672] You go, well, this isn't going to do anything for me because I enjoyed it.

[1673] Right.

[1674] We have a thing, right?

[1675] I know.

[1676] We think only things that hurt are good for it, which is largely true.

[1677] No. Yeah, like exercise hurts.

[1678] Yeah, broccoli.

[1679] Good food tastes like shit.

[1680] Yeah.

[1681] So we kind of know.

[1682] We know.

[1683] We know what's happening in the world, right?

[1684] I think you're right.

[1685] I'm trying to be optimistic, but there's no room for it today.

[1686] No. But you know what doesn't hurt, but is good for you and...

[1687] Electrolites?

[1688] Yes, electrolights.

[1689] And hairplay.

[1690] Oh, yeah.

[1691] Hairplay is lovely.

[1692] And it doesn't hurt.

[1693] It's not bad for you.

[1694] Well, physical touch in general is one of the few get out of jail free cards we have.

[1695] It feels good and is good.

[1696] Yeah, love language.

[1697] Mm -hmm.

[1698] Okay, well, this is for Nicholas Braun.

[1699] This is for Nick Braun.

[1700] He was so...

[1701] We talked about it in the intro, but he was so tall.

[1702] The picture of you guys next to each other is comical.

[1703] Yeah, it's the thing that, you know, we've said before with me and Jess, which is how are they the same species?

[1704] How are they the same species?

[1705] Yeah.

[1706] But it really doesn't get any more exaggerated, any other place than dogs.

[1707] That's the one that makes absolutely zero sense.

[1708] That, in fact, a St. Bernard is the same species as a chihuahua.

[1709] Yeah.

[1710] And that they can have a fertile offspring makes no sense.

[1711] One of them is 20x the size.

[1712] Can they?

[1713] Yeah.

[1714] They can.

[1715] He can get his little dinger up there.

[1716] If you make a little ramp.

[1717] That's when I. Yeah, if you make a ramp for him.

[1718] Okay.

[1719] And then get her standing upright as she would and get him on a ramp.

[1720] He would put it in there and he would spread his seat.

[1721] They get him on a ramp.

[1722] I'm trying to build him a little.

[1723] Okay.

[1724] Well, you know where they wave the checkered flag from in a race?

[1725] The little tower.

[1726] Yeah.

[1727] Yeah.

[1728] So it's that tower.

[1729] But his size.

[1730] And it brings him up to her haunches.

[1731] Oh, you, oh my God.

[1732] I have it, I have it reversed.

[1733] Is the big boy and the chihuahua?

[1734] That's what I had.

[1735] No, I've got the chihuahua is the guy.

[1736] Oh.

[1737] And he can definitely hump away and spread his seed.

[1738] No, he can, but what about opposite?

[1739] Like, would his PPP be too big for the chihuahua hole?

[1740] If the chihuahua, yeah.

[1741] Or the baby would just destroy.

[1742] Right.

[1743] Like, I don't think it could sustain a baby.

[1744] Oh, that big?

[1745] That's a curious thought.

[1746] Well, they can all reproduce.

[1747] I know that.

[1748] Yeah.

[1749] If they couldn't, then they wouldn't be the same species.

[1750] Yeah, it's like, in theory they can, but can they?

[1751] And I bet they have.

[1752] I bet those big dogs hump those little dogs all the time.

[1753] They're easy pickings.

[1754] They hump, but I don't know if they can produce off, like if that little body can sustain a Bernard box.

[1755] Yeah, there's no way.

[1756] Inside of a. See if there's a great Dane job.

[1757] Chihuahua mix.

[1758] Or maybe even Yorkie.

[1759] Aren't those real tiny, too?

[1760] Yeah.

[1761] Ooh, you just made a puke sign.

[1762] Yeah.

[1763] You know, you always think this about certain dogs because they end up getting represented by the people who own them more than themselves.

[1764] Yeah.

[1765] Right.

[1766] Bar rats and blowouts and shit.

[1767] You're like, come on, a dog shouldn't have a blowout.

[1768] Yeah.

[1769] But then you meet these little Yorkies and stuff sometimes.

[1770] And they're such fun little rascals.

[1771] They're nice little guys.

[1772] You love those guys?

[1773] Well, I'm just saying they too suffer from stereotyping.

[1774] That's right.

[1775] Yeah.

[1776] They don't have control over it.

[1777] But they...

[1778] Like, they don't pick who they go to.

[1779] And if your owner puts barrettes and boots on your feet and a Chanel coat...

[1780] Ew.

[1781] What are you going to do?

[1782] It's not your fault.

[1783] It's not your fault.

[1784] But also, they're jumpy and stuff.

[1785] I don't want to have a good time.

[1786] I know.

[1787] I don't...

[1788] You don't want that.

[1789] No. Okay.

[1790] I like a docile.

[1791] Sedated dog.

[1792] Yeah.

[1793] I don't like them when they're small.

[1794] It's like you could step on, they feel fragile.

[1795] Okay, you're afraid of breaking it.

[1796] How do you think that Doberman feels when he gets a hold of that, you're?

[1797] So what I'm saying?

[1798] That's irresponsible of that.

[1799] What did you find anything, Rob?

[1800] It says it's very rare to find a Great Dane Chihuahua mix.

[1801] Are there picks?

[1802] No, you can.

[1803] A St. Bernard can mate with a chihuahua, but it's likely it would be through artificial insemination.

[1804] Okay, but still then it can carry it.

[1805] They highly recommend Chihuahua's only made with dogs of similar size.

[1806] They.

[1807] Petkeen .com.

[1808] Oh, my God.

[1809] The American Breeders Association.

[1810] Oh.

[1811] Okay.

[1812] So let's do some house cleaning.

[1813] Okay.

[1814] I'm going through one of those cycles that is based on nothing.

[1815] Okay.

[1816] Which is so often the case where I just, for a few weeks, decide everything's going to end and be destroyed and it's really not rooted in any i didn't read anything i didn't see anything but i just have that prevailing thought it's been gloomy this week i think you're more susceptible to sad than you think yeah and maybe i even gave it to you could have caught it from you that i sit very close to you do is it contagious now we know they called the STD of mood disorder um it is really it i think it does have an effect though yeah but you can relate right like there's no basis for just this this impending doom feeling i have for no real objective reason and that's hot that was the best part of the paris that's hot she she was so quick on it she was lightning's fast it makes me wonder how often she says it when she oh she was at the met gala oh my god we can talk about the met gala yes of course danny ricardo was there daddy went i saw that he looked very Handsome.

[1817] His tux was so cool.

[1818] It was corduroy t. Tom Brown, I think.

[1819] Yeah, T. Brown.

[1820] Tom Brown.

[1821] Tom with an H. Fombrown.

[1822] Yeah, but don't.

[1823] I don't like when thoms are foam.

[1824] I know.

[1825] Okay.

[1826] I don't like the English language at all.

[1827] I know.

[1828] You know, I'm trying to help Lincoln with these spelling sheets and you got a dyslexic leading a confused kid.

[1829] And mostly all she's hearing from me is like, first of all, let's acknowledge.

[1830] you're right to be annoyed by this.

[1831] This makes no sense.

[1832] Okay.

[1833] It all unravels into me. So it's six or seven minutes of just like, you're right, it's shitty.

[1834] Yes, it doesn't, no rhyme or reason to it.

[1835] Every fourth word you read breaks one of our rules.

[1836] Yeah.

[1837] But you know what a rule break that I really appreciated was corduroy tucks, Tham Brown on D. Ricardo.

[1838] That is a good looking tuxedo.

[1839] Very.

[1840] It was like thick, Let me look it up again.

[1841] I forget.

[1842] And it had a cool patch.

[1843] Okay, Paris was at the Met Gala Obvi.

[1844] And some people were yelling, can I get it?

[1845] That's hot?

[1846] But I didn't hear her give it.

[1847] Good for her.

[1848] And I was happy.

[1849] Yeah.

[1850] That she didn't.

[1851] And that she gave us one.

[1852] I earned mine.

[1853] I wonder if you got to talk to Anne Hathaway.

[1854] Isn't she?

[1855] Apparently they became best days.

[1856] Isn't she what?

[1857] Oh, I was thinking of Anne Hage.

[1858] And I said, isn't she passed?

[1859] No. Anne Hathaway's my current style icon.

[1860] She is?

[1861] Mm -hmm.

[1862] She's been killing it.

[1863] Oh, my God.

[1864] It's something you can kill it.

[1865] Yeah.

[1866] And Ricardo is chummy with her?

[1867] I said, I wonder.

[1868] Oh, you wonder.

[1869] There was much of articles.

[1870] I know.

[1871] What is this?

[1872] I know.

[1873] Anne Hathaway admits she's a huge F1 fan.

[1874] After Daniel Ricardo photo bombs her.

[1875] Tannie.

[1876] Listen, these F1 boys are, they're taking over Hollywood.

[1877] Because you know, there's tons of rumors right now.

[1878] I know about Taylor and Alfonso.

[1879] Alonzo, Fernando.

[1880] Jesus Christ.

[1881] That's the first time I've ever done it and you do it four times a day.

[1882] You're right.

[1883] I do.

[1884] Alonzo and Taylor.

[1885] I know I've seen it.

[1886] Yeah.

[1887] So if Alonzo is bagging Tama.

[1888] And then Ricardo ends up with Anne.

[1889] Oh, he won't because he is a girlfriend.

[1890] And she's married.

[1891] She is?

[1892] Yeah, and he's kids and stuff.

[1893] Oh, okay.

[1894] Which is even more why it's like, more scandalous.

[1895] No, it's just, she's so iconic.

[1896] Mm. So she's really going for it.

[1897] She's in like in a season of fashion.

[1898] It's incredible.

[1899] Now she's like Revealing or something?

[1900] No, because everything, she's weird.

[1901] She's perfect.

[1902] Okay.

[1903] You don't see any side boo or anything like that?

[1904] You might.

[1905] Yeah.

[1906] Is she done the thing you like?

[1907] No pants?

[1908] Oh, no pants?

[1909] Probably, yeah.

[1910] Okay, but not that you know for sure.

[1911] Just probably.

[1912] Not off the top of my head, but yeah.

[1913] Okay, my best dressed was her and...

[1914] Did you like Jenna Ortega's?

[1915] Yes, she did a Wednesday thing, which was cute.

[1916] And Langenfeldter did her, whatever that guy's name is?

[1917] Carl Leng.

[1918] No, oh, Dax, no, no. I think he made her dress.

[1919] She was Tom Brown.

[1920] There's a photo of him with Danny and Jenna and Scarsgard and Monet, like all doing Tom I need to teach everyone something.

[1921] Carl Lingenfelder.

[1922] Carl Lagerfeld was the theme.

[1923] Yeah, one of the biggest designers ever.

[1924] Chanel, Chloe.

[1925] Silver ponytail, big sunglasses.

[1926] Of leather gloves, always.

[1927] Yes.

[1928] So he was the theme.

[1929] The exhibit was all Carl Lagerfeld stuff.

[1930] So everything is an homage to him or inspired by him or whatever.

[1931] Well, that explains.

[1932] Because her dress did look like something he would have designed.

[1933] Which then great for Tom.

[1934] Are you sure it was Tom Brown?

[1935] Yeah, yeah.

[1936] There's a photo of the big group.

[1937] I know, but I...

[1938] It says all wearing Tom Brown.

[1939] Okay.

[1940] Well, you really don't trust Roevy when it comes of fashion.

[1941] Well, I mean, you guys didn't know about Carl Lagerfeld.

[1942] I knew about this.

[1943] Rob knows about us.

[1944] He's super abrasive all the cutting edge fashion.

[1945] I don't think he's...

[1946] No, it's because Rachel posted about an ass if it was her grandma.

[1947] Her grandma?

[1948] It looked like an old lady.

[1949] Jenna?

[1950] No. With that guy.

[1951] Wait, what?

[1952] The guy, the theme guy.

[1953] Who's the guy?

[1954] Carl Longerfeld.

[1955] She posted a photo with him.

[1956] Oh.

[1957] And I thought it was her and her grandpa together.

[1958] I see, I see, I see, I see.

[1959] And then she broke it down for you?

[1960] Yes.

[1961] Yeah, yeah.

[1962] I thought you said she was like being mean and saying someone like her grandma.

[1963] No, no, no. She would never.

[1964] Anyway, okay.

[1965] Anne, J -Lo.

[1966] She looked incredible.

[1967] Jay -Lo did?

[1968] It's crazy.

[1969] Witchcraft.

[1970] Yeah.

[1971] Yeah, and Rihanna, duh, obviously.

[1972] With her even bigger baby bump?

[1973] Yeah, look at her.

[1974] Okay, show me. She's so cool.

[1975] I want this to not, I have such conflicting feelings about the Met Gala and then what big news it is.

[1976] Okay, so this is her.

[1977] What in the fucking A?

[1978] What's going on?

[1979] It's all these rosettes.

[1980] But is she wearing a blonde wig?

[1981] I couldn't see you very good from here.

[1982] Oh, you need to get, it's a whole piece.

[1983] Right, she's like been buried.

[1984] Yeah, but then it comes down, you know.

[1985] And her man's got a kilt on.

[1986] Yeah, then you can drop it like it's hot.

[1987] Yeah, then you drop it.

[1988] And then also the sunglasses have eyelashes on them.

[1989] Oh, my gosh.

[1990] Valentino.

[1991] Obviously not.

[1992] I guess this would be as dumb of a question of you going like, why would you watch cars go in a circle?

[1993] Because when you say it that way, then yes, it's preposterous.

[1994] Right.

[1995] So it doesn't even feel.

[1996] ethical to phrase it this way, but so many news cycles about what clothing people put on seems a little it's hard for me to strap into.

[1997] It was two cats.

[1998] Hmm?

[1999] It was two cats.

[2000] Yeah, Doja Cat was a cat.

[2001] Oh, she was?

[2002] She had prosthetics.

[2003] Oh, wow.

[2004] The interview, she just meowed.

[2005] She was really in character, for sure.

[2006] And then also, Jared Leto wore a full costume.

[2007] Like a mascot.

[2008] What?

[2009] And Lil Nas X also was a cat in full crystals.

[2010] I'll show you.

[2011] Okay, well, this is him.

[2012] I eat the lunch.

[2013] What on earth?

[2014] What is going on?

[2015] And then this is Doja Cat.

[2016] Wait, that's really on the, wait, what's on the right?

[2017] Why is it?

[2018] That's Jared Leto on the right.

[2019] And that's Doge.

[2020] What are people?

[2021] doing they did it because he had this like he had a cat movie no he had a cat that was like iconic i think her name was chopet or something oh boy so these people went as chopet oh my god he gets wait wait oh carlangenfeld her headache please have some respect he had a cat i think you're saying jared letto had a cat no car god this is insane no carlagerfeld had a cat chopette or something okay very famous cat yes and so the people who did cat homage is that was for for oh my god I didn't realize that I feel like I'm 95 years old like these are the resources being used okay well I'm gonna go as a two by four depends on the theme and then we'll have to talk about that you have well maybe the um let's see it's Jesus no maybe the next year will be about Tom Villa home in this old house he'll be the theme and I can go as a hammer or a two by four okay the theme is always a fashion theme yeah Tom Villa Don Villa Don Villa Tom Villa He was very fashionable Does that say Jesus I can't remember No Bob Bob there we go We're back we're back Yes it could be Bob via He always wore the very predictable checkered button up shirt when he worked with wood but I'll go as a hammer Anna Winterer will never come on if she hears this Oh, okay Anyway Anywho There were a lot It was very fun And I would you say this The best Metball ever It's definitely the one I've Followed the closest I was trying to watch it live On Vogue YouTube The interviewers are just talking And then waiting for people to come It just wasn't what I was looking for Moving for you So then I don't I did other ways of deep diving.

[2022] Okay.

[2023] But I feel like more people who aren't into fashion were talking about it.

[2024] Oh, well, me. I'm talking about it.

[2025] Yeah, exactly.

[2026] And I of course noticed that Ricardo, well, I knew he was going because he had asked us about it.

[2027] Oh, he did?

[2028] Yeah, what it was all about.

[2029] He had never been, and he maybe was a little nervous.

[2030] I talked to him, and he had the greatest time ever.

[2031] He loved it.

[2032] Oh, my God.

[2033] Did he bring his girlfriend?

[2034] You're normally not allowed to bring plus ones.

[2035] Nope.

[2036] Just him.

[2037] Him and Ann.

[2038] Anne didn't have her husband because no plus ones.

[2039] Hmm.

[2040] Did J -Lo go without Ben?

[2041] Yeah, he would have been able to go, but...

[2042] Yeah.

[2043] He didn't go.

[2044] No, there's always going to be rumors.

[2045] Oh, that'd be cute.

[2046] He could have said Carl Logan, love Dunkin' Donuts.

[2047] He probably did.

[2048] Everyone's talking about his cat.

[2049] They should be talking about how much he loved Dunkin' Donuts.

[2050] Exactly.

[2051] Wouldn't have been the weirdest one.

[2052] No. If he did that.

[2053] What was the rest of Jared's night like?

[2054] Like, you show up in that outfit on the red carpet, fine.

[2055] But now you've got to go through a three -hour dinner.

[2056] Exactly.

[2057] And when you go, pee -pee or puty?

[2058] I think he changed.

[2059] Because there's another outfit I saw him.

[2060] A lot of people do changes.

[2061] He was a werewolf inside.

[2062] Okay, I forgot.

[2063] Oh, we got on this because of Paris.

[2064] That's hot.

[2065] People wanted her to say it.

[2066] She didn't say it.

[2067] So you should feel great.

[2068] Oh, okay, good, good.

[2069] But we got on that because you said you felt like everything was going to disappear.

[2070] Yes, yes.

[2071] Everything is going to disappear.

[2072] Everyone's going to stop listening to the podcast in the next year.

[2073] Okay.

[2074] You can never sell ads on anything.

[2075] Everything's going to crumble and everything's going to go away.

[2076] That's good.

[2077] I think it's okay.

[2078] It's okay.

[2079] It's okay.

[2080] Okay.

[2081] Don't worry.

[2082] Okay.

[2083] Everything's fine.

[2084] All right.

[2085] And it will be sunny again.

[2086] Yeah, like the boom's over.

[2087] The boom's over.

[2088] I know, but just, there's a boom and it's over.

[2089] Okay, but there's nothing.

[2090] Like, if it is, it is, honestly.

[2091] I know, then I try to get to that point in my head.

[2092] Like, well, just be grateful you had a boom.

[2093] Yeah.

[2094] But that also doesn't feel very good.

[2095] Remember when we did this, it was for fun?

[2096] We can keep that up.

[2097] Yeah.

[2098] The boom's also not over.

[2099] It's not.

[2100] Okay.

[2101] And also, it's gloomy out.

[2102] It's gloomy.

[2103] And you haven't had enough electrolytes today.

[2104] Guarantee it.

[2105] I take one look at you and I know you haven't had enough electrolytes.

[2106] As soon as you walked out, I was like, oh, he has not had This dude is running real low on lecties.

[2107] But you're in a pretty good mood today.

[2108] No. This is kind of a flip.

[2109] We flip the script a little bit.

[2110] No, I'm just trying to be more content.

[2111] I had therapy this morning.

[2112] That probably helped.

[2113] Yeah.

[2114] And I didn't go to therapy on Friday because I drove a monster truck.

[2115] Yeah.

[2116] You can't skip.

[2117] And I got to skip this week too.

[2118] Oh, God.

[2119] Why don't you reschedule?

[2120] Ask for not a Friday.

[2121] That's a good idea.

[2122] I should have done that.

[2123] Yeah, just reschedule.

[2124] Therapy.

[2125] Orange wine.

[2126] Right, I saw a post of yours that you're, you, I already knew.

[2127] What I like about those posts is like I get to hear at first.

[2128] Yeah.

[2129] So I had heard a week ago that you were orange wine.

[2130] A couple days ago.

[2131] Like Monday.

[2132] Thursday.

[2133] No, it was Monday.

[2134] Oh.

[2135] Oh, my God.

[2136] By the way, can I dig it a little proof in my defense?

[2137] I believe you.

[2138] I believe you.

[2139] Like when we posted whatever interview it was in this, I was in that chair.

[2140] Oh, I know.

[2141] That's all people talk about.

[2142] How old is this?

[2143] Like, people do.

[2144] Well, I saw a lot of comments, but I heard them say, what happened to the chair?

[2145] Did you get rid of it?

[2146] So I didn't hear any how old is this.

[2147] And then a lot of people were correcting them.

[2148] Like, they recorded this one a while ago.

[2149] That's okay.

[2150] Okay, but okay.

[2151] And they said, I'm done listening now that I know that I know that.

[2152] Well, does I don't want to hear something.

[2153] To me saying the chair is a problem.

[2154] I'd rather just not know it was two months old.

[2155] It doesn't help it for me. If I watch an episode of six minutes, I'm like, we recorded this last year.

[2156] I know.

[2157] Okay, I don't think we need to start each episode by saying the date we recorded.

[2158] But I don't think it's as, again, I guess this is, I don't think it's as doomsday as you think.

[2159] Yeah, yeah.

[2160] But also, that's fine.

[2161] Thursday, I told you about my own.

[2162] No, you can't do that when I post it on.

[2163] See, it's not going to add up.

[2164] It gets tricky.

[2165] But just, no, they're listening on Monday.

[2166] You posted a week ago, I knew before that.

[2167] That's all that matters.

[2168] You knew before I posted.

[2169] I knew before you posted.

[2170] And does that make you feel like in?

[2171] Yes, of course.

[2172] Yeah, I like feeling in.

[2173] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[2174] Like, oh, yeah, I already knew that about her.

[2175] Actually, this is a ding, ding, ding.

[2176] I had a bad dream, okay?

[2177] I had a really bad dream last night, but I don't want to talk about that.

[2178] Okay.

[2179] But speaking of, it just really doesn't feel good to find out stuff on Instagram.

[2180] Right?

[2181] Like, we live in this age where it doesn't.

[2182] It doesn't.

[2183] And I understand we can try to rise above and...

[2184] It doesn't bother me. You just said you liked hearing about orange wine first.

[2185] Which is different than I was bothered to learn it on Instagram.

[2186] Well, you didn't learn it on Instagram.

[2187] You learned it.

[2188] I know.

[2189] But I often learn things on Instagram, and it doesn't bother me. personally.

[2190] Okay, then that's fine.

[2191] But I think many people do get pangs when they learn stuff on Instagram.

[2192] I think you're right.

[2193] So my dream, I had a dream that, because it was right after you went to Monster Truck.

[2194] It was that day, that night, you went to Monster Trucks with Kristen.

[2195] And I saw that on Instagram.

[2196] I mean, I knew you were going to Monster Trucks, but I saw it on Instagram.

[2197] And then I had a dream that I saw on Instagram that you guys went to Monster Jam.

[2198] But But then there was a picture, and I saw the back of, like, Ace's head.

[2199] And I was like, oh, I guess Ace must have gone and Charlie must have gone.

[2200] This is my dream.

[2201] Oh, okay, great.

[2202] This is my dream.

[2203] This is my dream.

[2204] And I was like, oh, I guess they must have gone, too.

[2205] And then there's another picture, and Molly and Eric were there.

[2206] And I was like, okay, Molly and Eric were there, too.

[2207] And then there's so many pictures and everyone was there.

[2208] Okay.

[2209] Except me. And I freaked out in the dream.

[2210] Okay.

[2211] And got really upset.

[2212] And then that was the dream.

[2213] Sure.

[2214] But, you know, that of that exact event you just described is likely to happen.

[2215] Why?

[2216] Because you don't like monster trucks and kids do.

[2217] So I invite, like when I go to Monster Jam, I invite whoever's got kids.

[2218] Because I know their kids want to see Monster Jam.

[2219] But the parents don't.

[2220] Like, Molly's no different than me. But they've got to bring their kids.

[2221] That's why they get invited.

[2222] So why wouldn't you bring just Eric and the kids and why would you bring every single person except?

[2223] I wouldn't.

[2224] I'm only explaining that I don't invite you to things I don't think you'll like for starters.

[2225] Okay.

[2226] Right?

[2227] Like I don't invite you to things I don't.

[2228] don't think you.

[2229] I don't ask you if you want to go to the motorcycle track when I go.

[2230] I don't ask you if you want to see monster trucks.

[2231] But I do invite all the kids when I go to Monster Jam.

[2232] I assume all the kids want to go.

[2233] And so whatever parent joins the kid, they join the kids.

[2234] So that picture could end up happening that series of pictures.

[2235] But it would have everything to do with me recognizing you don't like Monster Jam and that the little kids like it.

[2236] like hanging out with all my friends at a fun thing.

[2237] Even if it's Monster Gym.

[2238] Yeah.

[2239] I mean, I go to baseball games and stuff with friends, if it's a friend event.

[2240] And baseball isn't my thing.

[2241] It's about going as a group of people and having that be a fun experience.

[2242] Right, which would be different.

[2243] Like, if I'm trying to schedule a pod hang, it's going to be designed in a specific way.

[2244] It's going to involve all the things we all like.

[2245] So if I'm going to the dirt bike track.

[2246] or Monster Jam or something.

[2247] I don't even think of Pod.

[2248] Like, I don't think everyone's going to...

[2249] I don't think the wives are going to want to be there, you know?

[2250] So I guess for me, that would be then...

[2251] But, like, Eric could end up there because Dahlia may want to go with Lincoln and watch the Monster Truss.

[2252] Yeah.

[2253] So Eric might end up there.

[2254] That's fine, but if it's every single person in our group except me, I will feel left out.

[2255] And if Eric is bringing Dolly's...

[2256] and Lily amazing.

[2257] But if Molly, if they're going as a family and then all the families are going and then now it's every single person except me who just doesn't happen to have a family, that feels shitty.

[2258] Right.

[2259] I bet it does.

[2260] I see and hear that.

[2261] But also relevant in your evaluation, was I not invited to this or is this a kid thing that I wouldn't expect any of the adults.

[2262] The adults have to go.

[2263] That wouldn't be like, let's get the pod together and go somewhere.

[2264] This is like kid -driven.

[2265] Like if they go to the climbing gym.

[2266] It doesn't really feel like it's like that, but I guess I get that.

[2267] I mean, but I'm invited to like kids' birthday parties and stuff.

[2268] Right, because the kids will have their party and the adults all play spades.

[2269] Right.

[2270] But like the climbing gym, if you go to the climbing gym, climbing, like, you're not going to do anything but stare at your kids going, look at me, look at me, look over here.

[2271] That's what you're doing.

[2272] There's no social.

[2273] But there is at something like an event.

[2274] There is.

[2275] There's social stuff.

[2276] There's everyone's sitting and chatting and laughing and that's true.

[2277] Yeah, yeah.

[2278] Well, none of it's ever happened, but I just, I could see where I would be thinking I'm being thoughtful.

[2279] And this is something you're going to have to do because you have kids.

[2280] It's, you have to.

[2281] Well, one person has to.

[2282] Right.

[2283] I would not be as triggered if it was like Eric was there with the kids and Charlie was there with the kids and Ryan was there with the kids Ryan or even if Amy was there with the kid but if it wasn't like everyone's decided to go right and I'm not sure that situation would feel I could understand yeah so anyway okay Nicholas Braun okay Nicholas Browne Meisner I wanted to read a little bit about Meisner oh great remember you guys did that myzner exercise The goal of the Meisner approach is for the actor to not focus on themselves and instead concentrate on the other actors in the immediate environment.

[2284] To this end, some exercises for the Meisner technique are rooted in repetition so that the words are deemed insignificant compared to the underlying emotion.

[2285] In the Meisner technique, there is a greater focus on the other actor as opposed to one's internal thoughts or feelings associated with the character.

[2286] The Meisner technique is different from method acting taught by Strausberg, although both developed from early teachings of Stanislavski.

[2287] Okay, the magazine is W. Magazine where he's like Tim Riggins.

[2288] It's called Nicholas Braun is ready to play ball.

[2289] Oh, parietal.

[2290] Parietal rules.

[2291] Campus regulations governing visits between members of opposite sexes to each other's dormitories or rooms.

[2292] Isn't that weird?

[2293] It is.

[2294] First time I ever heard that.

[2295] Same.

[2296] Parietal.

[2297] I've only heard it in reference to the skull.

[2298] Parietal.

[2299] crest, sagittal crust, occipital bun.

[2300] These are all big protrusions from early hominid's heads.

[2301] The bun?

[2302] Yeah, occipital bun and back.

[2303] Oh, it's like a hair bun.

[2304] Extended bit of the skull with lots of ligament attachments.

[2305] It's like a gorilla because it's got that big heavy head and that thick trapezius.

[2306] Did it have hair?

[2307] Early hominids.

[2308] Yeah.

[2309] I mean, we have hair.

[2310] I know.

[2311] They're hairier than us.

[2312] Okay, okay.

[2313] But it's really curious.

[2314] Hair is misleading.

[2315] Okay.

[2316] I'd have to double check this, but I remember learning that we actually have more hair per square inch than a chimpanzee.

[2317] What?

[2318] Yes.

[2319] But our hairs are very tiny and fine.

[2320] But they're fully covered too, right?

[2321] But each one of their hairs is thick and robust and grows long.

[2322] Oh.

[2323] And we just have all these little microscopic hairs, but bless you, Rob.

[2324] We've lost sight of what we're trying to do with that.

[2325] I know.

[2326] We don't know.

[2327] Any, yeah, okay, weird about hair.

[2328] Yeah, right?

[2329] Yeah.

[2330] But yeah, so we were hairier, but in quotes, hairier.

[2331] We had thicker, coarser, more coverage.

[2332] I am going to get my arms lasered.

[2333] You are?

[2334] Yeah.

[2335] When?

[2336] Well, I made an appointment, but I canceled because I was too tired to, go.

[2337] Can I do it?

[2338] How much are these machines?

[2339] Should I buy one?

[2340] If you have one, I'd love it.

[2341] You would allow that?

[2342] I would.

[2343] I don't think you could really mess that up.

[2344] Well, I want you to try a patch first.

[2345] On my own arm?

[2346] No, on mine.

[2347] Oh, okay.

[2348] They have different kinds of lasers and your skin type can matter.

[2349] Okay, your skin type will dictate what type of laser I need to buy.

[2350] Yep.

[2351] Okay, your skin appears to be caramel colored, brown.

[2352] It's brown.

[2353] It's not caramel colored.

[2354] Caramel is really yellowish.

[2355] Yeah.

[2356] Carmel's.

[2357] It's more amber colored.

[2358] Yeah.

[2359] And mine is more chocolate colored.

[2360] Oh, chocolate.

[2361] Okay.

[2362] So in the future, chocolate brown.

[2363] Yeah.

[2364] Like a chocolate brown lab.

[2365] That's the only time you hear.

[2366] Maybe you don't need to put a dog on it.

[2367] Well, that's when you hear chocolate brown is in describing a Labrador.

[2368] I know.

[2369] If I get a dog, I should probably get a brown dog, right?

[2370] I don't know about that logic.

[2371] Well, because, like, it's like nobody wants these brown people and dogs.

[2372] No, people, they like.

[2373] I don't think there's a issue of getting rid of brown dogs.

[2374] There's no race.

[2375] There's no interspecies racism, to my knowledge.

[2376] I'm not sure.

[2377] I don't think so.

[2378] It's not like snow monkeys are coveted.

[2379] In breeding, I wonder if there's a color that's most likely to be bred.

[2380] Ooh.

[2381] Of dog?

[2382] Yeah.

[2383] I did see a really cute brown dog with.

[2384] lots of hendrils.

[2385] It's probably a doodle.

[2386] Yeah, but like big.

[2387] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[2388] I like when they get that kind of woolly carpet thing.

[2389] Yeah.

[2390] I like that.

[2391] I like doodles.

[2392] I like them if they're big.

[2393] Every doodle I meet I like.

[2394] Really?

[2395] Yeah, they're really calm.

[2396] Does they get older?

[2397] They're chill.

[2398] Should I get one?

[2399] A doodle?

[2400] Perhaps.

[2401] This thought has come into my head like four times in the past two years.

[2402] Which is a lot for me Once every six months you have a thought Should you get a doodle?

[2403] Should I get a dog?

[2404] Oh, a doggle.

[2405] That you hate.

[2406] Right.

[2407] But that would be fun Because then you would love dogs.

[2408] I know.

[2409] Yeah.

[2410] And I don't want to be so stubborn that I rob myself of joy.

[2411] Right.

[2412] But also I don't like dogs.

[2413] Maybe wait until you get in your house.

[2414] Yeah.

[2415] What about also the saying Keep your friends close or enemies closer?

[2416] Since you hate dogs so much, don't you think you should have them closest to you?

[2417] That's not a bad.

[2418] point yeah but we hate dogs it's like if i well hold on you and i are little we're not exactly at the same point on the spectrum you know i know well you used to be on mine i hate no i i don't like my dog there are several dogs i don't like i don't like all dogs but there's some dogs i've liked a lot me too mac shaky whiskey -ish on one is light barking days yeah i really liked mistletoe, the lasso -opsa that my neighbor had when I was living in Tennessee.

[2419] When you taught yourself to ride a bike in the garage?

[2420] Yes.

[2421] And I got obsessed with that dog.

[2422] We would play.

[2423] And then in the game, I would have to go downstairs.

[2424] Like, you know, I'd make that up.

[2425] If I'm the mom, I have to go down to get groceries or something.

[2426] And then really I would just go find the dog.

[2427] Oh.

[2428] Yeah, that's weird, right?

[2429] Wait, you would tell your mom you're going downstairs, but then you would sneak out and sneak out and bring the dog.

[2430] I'm sorry, I didn't give enough to you.

[2431] I would be at my friend Sherry Goss's house.

[2432] They had a dog named Mistletoe.

[2433] Great.

[2434] And you'd make excuses to go hang out with the dog.

[2435] Exactly.

[2436] Because we'd be playing house, and I would be, if I was the mom, I'd say, I'm going down to get groceries.

[2437] And then, really, I would go and look for the dog.

[2438] And what would you guys do when you got together?

[2439] I would just scratch them and stuff?

[2440] Yeah.

[2441] Her.

[2442] Like try to hold her.

[2443] I got like obsessed with her.

[2444] It was weird.

[2445] You did.

[2446] So maybe you just feel maybe this is the same as the dairy queen.

[2447] This could be the exact same repeating story of your life.

[2448] Is this a breakthrough?

[2449] Yes.

[2450] Like the you couldn't have this dog you wanted.

[2451] then you hate all dogs.

[2452] That is true because I wanted a dog really bad when I was little.

[2453] Your parents were like absolutely nuts.

[2454] It's preposterous.

[2455] Yeah.

[2456] So this is what's happening.

[2457] Oh my God.

[2458] They were horrible.

[2459] No. You're the only person.

[2460] and I know I had almost perfect parents.

[2461] I know, they're really good.

[2462] Yeah.

[2463] But they did not want to have a dog.

[2464] And then I got old.

[2465] At one point, my mom got into dogs.

[2466] Oh, really?

[2467] Yes, and she thought about getting one.

[2468] But then she decided not to because she didn't want its butt on the bed.

[2469] Oh, the bed.

[2470] And, like, have its poopy butt on the bed.

[2471] Oh, okay.

[2472] Very specific fear.

[2473] Anyways, so I've liked some dogs.

[2474] But you used to be more on my page because, like, when everyone had their dog.

[2475] dogs over it, you were like, fuck that.

[2476] Yeah, it's insane.

[2477] There's a point where there's like six dogs.

[2478] They're all fucking barking and knocking shit over.

[2479] And that's a preposterous scenario.

[2480] I agree.

[2481] But not if you're Kristen.

[2482] Yeah, they don't even hear it.

[2483] They don't.

[2484] They're like snarling at each other.

[2485] Dogs are fighting and one of the dogs is attacking a child, literally.

[2486] Like, the whole thing's a mess.

[2487] So, yeah, completely out of control dog, Sitch, I can't stand.

[2488] So, but that's my point.

[2489] So if I have one, I can't bring a place.

[2490] You gotta leave your dog at home.

[2491] We got enough here.

[2492] That's what I tell people.

[2493] Can I bring my dog over?

[2494] Oh, you know, we got enough here.

[2495] I know.

[2496] But if it becomes my soulmate, I think I'll feel bad not bringing it places.

[2497] Yeah.

[2498] I can see that.

[2499] I just am not going to get one.

[2500] Well, at least get a doodle in case you got to bring it to work.

[2501] I don't sneeze and everything.

[2502] Well, they're hypoelogenic.

[2503] Oh, okay.

[2504] Let's see what else.

[2505] Oh, percentage of people who like sex.

[2506] There's a percentage of people who like sex.

[2507] Yeah.

[2508] Okay.

[2509] This is a poll.

[2510] Can you tell me, can we start with what the source is?

[2511] Because sometimes we'll, like, we go ahead in an argument and really late in the game.

[2512] I find out the sources, sentientan animals .com.

[2513] And I just think it would be.

[2514] Sorry.

[2515] I think you would help frame how I take this information a little bit.

[2516] I understand.

[2517] Thank you.

[2518] This is, it says poll.

[2519] Oh.

[2520] You're not going to tell me where.

[2521] ABC.

[2522] ABC News.

[2523] Dot go.

[2524] Great.

[2525] That's, okay, great.

[2526] So I'm going to give this a real shot.

[2527] Okay.

[2528] This was 2004.

[2529] Some time has passed.

[2530] People like sex less, I think.

[2531] I think you're right.

[2532] But let's still...

[2533] 84 % of all women and 95 % of men enjoy sex.

[2534] Okay, that's encouraging.

[2535] According to this 2004.

[2536] Okay.

[2537] Well, that's good.

[2538] I'd like it updated.

[2539] Okay, hold on.

[2540] Hold on.

[2541] In 2019, New York Post, a poll of 2 ,000 sexually active Americans saw as many as 92 % say they feel at least satisfied overall with the quality of their sex lives.

[2542] But that doesn't mean...

[2543] That's a little different, yeah.

[2544] In fact, that could be inversely proportional.

[2545] If you love sex and you're not having it, then you're very dissatisfied.

[2546] Okay, in 2015, it says 53 % of women of those surveyed, want more sex than they're currently getting from their partner.

[2547] Oh, that is...

[2548] That was 2015.

[2549] That's a shocking statistic.

[2550] Oh, 500 women between the ages of 18 and 65.

[2551] Not a huge sample.

[2552] It's not.

[2553] It's not.

[2554] Over 60 % of women want sex three to five times a week.

[2555] Whoa.

[2556] Majority of women put emotional connection above all else when it comes to sex.

[2557] Duh.

[2558] Most women orgasm at least once during sex.

[2559] 38 .6 had an orgasm.

[2560] Once 10 .2 had multiple orgasms.

[2561] Hmm, where they, what's day they're way of?

[2562] Afrido.

[2563] Now he's not even doing the voice, he's just doing the character.

[2564] Or as I love.

[2565] Give me everyone's number, especially the people with multiples.

[2566] Okay, multiples.

[2567] Okay, in 2019, science alert .com.

[2568] Percentage of American adults not having sex has reached a record high.

[2569] This was March 2019.

[2570] I remember reading this.

[2571] Yeah.

[2572] Record high.

[2573] American adults not having sex.

[2574] The share of U .S. adults reporting no sex in the past year reached an all -time high in 2018, underscoring a three -decade trend line marked by an aging population and higher numbers of unattached people.

[2575] 2014, 35 % of men aged 18 to 34 were living in their parents' home.

[2576] 35 % compared with 29 % of women in that age group.

[2577] That's a lot, too, kind of.

[2578] Anyway.

[2579] Yeah, I don't know.

[2580] I don't know if, like, because in Europe, people live with their parents forever, it's not a thing.

[2581] Right.

[2582] So I can't tell, like, my knee jerk is like, you should get the fuck out of it.

[2583] But I don't know if that's just a stupid American cultural.

[2584] I do think it is cultural.

[2585] Yeah.

[2586] But if it's stopping you from having relationships, I think that's an issue.

[2587] Yeah.

[2588] I had great relationships while I lived with my mom.

[2589] yeah but your mom is pretty lenient yeah but but it was so fun how old were you when what you were a kid what are you talking about when you live with your mom yeah what we're talking about adults yeah but i'm saying i had girlfriends and we had sex and we were in relationships and i lived with my mom and they were great but that oh my god good thing i're really you're like sentientanels dot or you're giving only some info no as an adult is it attractive i mean look now we're getting into is it attractive right for someone not to have their own for someone to bring a girl home to their parents house and it's not the hottest it's not unless that you're kink then congrats sure and 30 % of the male population is at your disposal and we can adjust but societally i think what it shows is like you don't have your shit together which is not exactly right that's not true necessarily right but um you know women like to see that you have your shit together sure that's right you can afford an apartment that part might be vestigal though i mean you can imagine that's yeah like it made a lot of sense in the 50s to have that viewpoint but if you're totally capable of supporting yourself and someone else you're attracted to then really that feels like maybe that that part needs to catch up to the reality of i agree but it's a weird catch 22 because the attraction is in that i know but it would be hard to really understand how much of that was just handed to you as a cultural thing and how much of that is like instinctual yeah because we're in the look we're it started in the 50s and it certainly didn't even in my childhood my mother was still an anomaly yeah to be in a management position as a female she was Certainly, it was an anomaly to own a business.

[2590] So how could I be post all that?

[2591] There's no way I could be.

[2592] How could you be post all that?

[2593] Yeah.

[2594] Yeah, maybe future, maybe it will change.

[2595] Yeah, girls will be like, yeah, I'm going to go buy my own shit, do my own thing.

[2596] Yeah.

[2597] And.

[2598] Well, I have that, but I still want a partner.

[2599] But you're stuck with what you grew up in.

[2600] Every TV show you watch, the dad came home from work in the TV show.

[2601] It's like all these little things you wouldn't even realize you were hardwired to think.

[2602] Yeah.

[2603] I don't need anyone to take care of me, but I want them to be able to take care of themselves.

[2604] You don't want a dependent.

[2605] Correct.

[2606] Which is fine.

[2607] You don't.

[2608] But on the other hand, you just really quickly think about what the males thought all the way to 1990.

[2609] Yeah, but they wanted it.

[2610] They expected to have a dependent.

[2611] That's how it worked.

[2612] That was just not even in the calculation.

[2613] You know, I'm going to go work and I'm going to support everyone in the family.

[2614] Yeah.

[2615] Then that's that.

[2616] But they wanted it because they wanted the wife to take care of the kids in the house.

[2617] Like that was part of the deal.

[2618] It was, but also they didn't even want it.

[2619] It's what was.

[2620] It's what was.

[2621] No, I know.

[2622] I know.

[2623] I know.

[2624] But I guess if I had a dependent husband, I know I'm also going to be taking care of stuff, too.

[2625] Uh -huh, yeah, because that part hasn't really.

[2626] Exactly.

[2627] It hasn't fully stitched.

[2628] But what if you didn't have any kind of...

[2629] The doodle.

[2630] I mean, I'm still going to have to take its poop out.

[2631] No, that will assume everything in the home front is split 50 -50, the workload.

[2632] Yeah.

[2633] You want it split 80 -20?

[2634] Well, if he's just sitting.

[2635] Yeah, see, this is...

[2636] No, I'm saying that's why the men were okay with this scenario.

[2637] If they had to come home and still do a ton of shit.

[2638] They were getting a slave.

[2639] Exactly.

[2640] Washed all their clothes, cooked their meals, cleaned their house, raised their kids, yes.

[2641] So that's why that, quote, worked out for them.

[2642] Uh -huh.

[2643] And why they felt fine about working all day.

[2644] But I would guess, even if you got a slave out of the deal, I don't think you'd be up for it.

[2645] No, that's so...

[2646] Yeah, it's not hot.

[2647] Right.

[2648] Right.

[2649] So that's the part that needs like, you know what I'm saying?

[2650] If A doesn't equal C and B doesn't equal D, then B doesn't equal.

[2651] And none of it equals anything because it shouldn't have been attractive any way to have a wife just do absolutely everything for you and bring you your Coke.

[2652] Yeah.

[2653] I don't like that.

[2654] I know, yeah.

[2655] But I do think you could be a product of your.

[2656] Of course.

[2657] Of course I am.

[2658] There's no way I'm not.

[2659] Everyone is.

[2660] I'm just saying if it didn't bother guys at all, I know humans are capable of not.

[2661] including that in their evaluation of the person for their mate fitness.

[2662] You like men that are driven because your dad was.

[2663] But if you grew up and you had a stay -at -home dad, you might have no problem meeting a dude that all you thought about was, do I get along with this person in my horny for him?

[2664] Maybe.

[2665] You know?

[2666] Maybe.

[2667] Maybe.

[2668] Yeah, I mean, I did, I feel like I did grow up in a house where everything was really equal.

[2669] Uh -huh.

[2670] Both people worked.

[2671] Both people did the shitty.

[2672] stuff.

[2673] Yeah.

[2674] They both did all of that.

[2675] So I expect that.

[2676] Yeah.

[2677] That's appealing.

[2678] Yeah, that's right.

[2679] Yeah.

[2680] But now there's a whole bunch of...

[2681] Well, they didn't.

[2682] But there's a...

[2683] I'm kidding.

[2684] I'm kidding.

[2685] I even...

[2686] My children have many friends whose fathers are stay -at -home dads.

[2687] Yeah.

[2688] And also, one of my best...

[2689] One of my best friends, her dad was a stay -at -home dad.

[2690] He was amazing.

[2691] And he was great.

[2692] And he did a ton of stuff, though.

[2693] So does she like...

[2694] No, she has her husband's a hard driver, hard charger.

[2695] Stay at home dads are great.

[2696] I mean, I have nothing.

[2697] I have no. Say at home dads is also not even what we're talking about.

[2698] We were talking about men who live at their parents.

[2699] Same kind of thing.

[2700] No, because all of that.

[2701] Well, it's different.

[2702] No, because my friends who were stay -at -home dads, they had apartments by them.

[2703] Like, they didn't just go.

[2704] Before they were a stay -at -home dad, they had their own places.

[2705] They had, yes, they proved that they.

[2706] could just like be in the world alone.

[2707] Would it be okay for any male to leave his mom's house and join his wife's house?

[2708] That's what I think that's the, that's this conversation.

[2709] Right.

[2710] You're going to go straight from living at your house.

[2711] Well, that's what a lot of women did.

[2712] Right.

[2713] And then it's not ideal.

[2714] All right.

[2715] We haven't solved anything, but.

[2716] All right.

[2717] Bye.

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