#247 - Tito Ortiz

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[1] Punishment athletics since what?

[2] Ninety -nine.

[3] Is that when you started this company?

[4] Yeah, goddamn businessman, athlete.

[5] Is that the focus now?

[6] Now that you're completely done fighting.

[7] It's always my, my clothing company's always my focus.

[8] I've been my love.

[9] You know, I have love for something that I've never wanted to get rid of.

[10] People who try to come in and buy me out and I'd never want to sell out, you know?

[11] Right, because it represents your baby.

[12] You made it.

[13] Yeah, you know, it's punishment.

[14] I mean, every person who goes through work deals with some type of punishment.

[15] You know, you wake up at 5 in the morning, And you press the hour one o 'clock going, God, what am I doing this for?

[16] I'm going to realize you've got to pay bills.

[17] You've got to take care of your family.

[18] It's punishment.

[19] And that's what all life and walks of life go through is punishment.

[20] That's what my brand represents.

[21] You told me something once.

[22] We were talking about submissions.

[23] And you said, you know, the problem with submitting a guy is you can submit the guy and after he taps, he's okay.

[24] And he's like, yeah, man, he got lucky.

[25] Man, he got lucky.

[26] But when I get on top of you and punch you in the fucking head for 15 minutes.

[27] I'm punishing.

[28] Until the referee pulls me off.

[29] That is punishment.

[30] I'll never forget that because that really, that one quote really embodied your career, you know.

[31] I mean, you only submitted Yuki Kondo and Ryan Bader.

[32] Those are the only two guys, right?

[33] That's it.

[34] In M .MA, that's it.

[35] That's all I've ever done.

[36] Like I said, I always wanted to put on a show, man. You know, I thought it was, you know, those guys were going, oh, he caught me, got lucky with the arm triangle or with the arm bar.

[37] I mean, don't get me wrong.

[38] I would love to submit it, Machita.

[39] That would have been awesome.

[40] But I've always wanted to be dominating.

[41] Be on top of just polarize a guy and just try to finish them and make him not want to fight me again.

[42] The Yucy Konda one was the all elusive one -arm guillotine.

[43] No, that's actually called the cobra choke.

[44] Cobra choke.

[45] That's from Cal State Bakersfield.

[46] Is it a one -arm?

[47] One arm was sweet.

[48] Are you grabbing his chin?

[49] What I do is I'm hooking the chin.

[50] Right.

[51] I try to pin his chin across to his shoulder.

[52] And it's almost like a throat choke.

[53] And Cal State Bakersfield, a coach, Darrell Pope showed us that choke.

[54] And we choke guys unconscious in wrestling matches.

[55] And the referees don't know.

[56] what's happening because in college you're allowed to turn the chin wherever you want in high school rules you're not allowed to turn the chin wherever you want but I learned that and I do it's a lot of jiu jitzy guys because they'd pull guard they go oh you got my chin under my arm I'm fine but once you hook and kind of snuggle in guys don't go anywhere so it's like one of those old school catch wrestling moves exactly exactly there's is that the same one that um jake shield used on nick thompson in strike force he hit him with some sort of a one arm one and he posted out with his left arm and then he arched his back.

[57] It was pretty gnarly.

[58] Yeah, it's a little different because this one, this one you got a hook literally outside hip.

[59] You need a hooked outside hip to make it happen.

[60] And you hook the hip and what you do is you're compressing the lungs and compressing the chin and the neck at the same time.

[61] So it's like a compressive choke.

[62] Is it the hardest thing to me seems as an observer watching it seems it's hard for dudes to put new aspects to their game once they become successful.

[63] That seems to be the most hard But I think the hardest thing is Doing it in repetition Because everything you got to do in repetition To get better and better You have to do it in repetition Over and over again Guys think, well, okay, I know that move I don't need to do that anymore No, you'll lose it during going live Because in wrestling that I learned Was I would do it so much I was reaction It wasn't a factor of just doing it to do it You did it as reaction And so when I would go for a high crotch Guy would defend that Then I'd go to a single guy defend that I go to a double guy defend that and I'd go back to a high crotch and you're not even thinking you're not even chaining them together because that's how you've drilled it chain wrestling exactly and that's what it came in fighting the same thing but you kind of get caught up into the idea of okay well I'm going to do the submission defenses that was my first I didn't want to learn submissions because I wanted all the defenses first and when I learned all the defenses I was like okay I'm not going to get caught anymore then I started learning offenses then I started learning more stand -up and then it was just it was kind of like uh I didn't want to overstep my boundaries by doing too much at once.

[64] So I just kind of put it in a little, I guess, little schedules.

[65] It was like, this week I'll work on this, the next week I'll work on this.

[66] And then I had to go back to the first week a couple months later.

[67] So it's like, it's hard to absorb something new also, especially if you're trying to do like two different things new.

[68] Because when you, when you absorb something new, it becomes like an obsession where you're like thinking about it in a background.

[69] Well, you'll go for that move over and over and over and over and over again.

[70] And I mean, when I was in high school, I mean, I was known for a head and arm and a low single.

[71] I mean, that was people go, you tie up with him, he's going to head and arm throw you.

[72] You stand away from him.

[73] He's a little single you.

[74] And I was known for that.

[75] But then when I got it to be a junior and senior in high school, Paul Herrera was my coach who fought in the UFC, he goes, Tito, you're going to live by that.

[76] You're going to die by that.

[77] Let's learn high crotch.

[78] Let's learn double leg.

[79] Let's turn snapdown.

[80] And I started learning these different things in collegiate wrestling that I was like, oh, I'm starting to learn all this different stuff.

[81] So I wasn't just stuck to one thing.

[82] Yeah, it's funny when you see a guy like Cody McKenzie, you know, who's got this fucking ridiculous guillotine that nobody can run away from.

[83] But it's so weird to have one move like that.

[84] But someone will learn the defense to it.

[85] Yeah.

[86] I mean, you look at who was it?

[87] Yeah, from Strike Force, from Pride who came over here, the heavyweight.

[88] Nogera?

[89] No, the big guy who just got burnt for five.

[90] John Olive Iman?

[91] God, I can't think of it.

[92] He got burnt for steroids.

[93] Carwin?

[94] No. No, Carwin was never a pride guy.

[95] Oh, Uvereem?

[96] Overim.

[97] Overim.

[98] He had a sick amount of guillotines.

[99] He caught belfort with him over and over and over.

[100] And all of a sudden he got away from it.

[101] He stopped doing it.

[102] Yeah, he pretty much got away from the ground game period.

[103] When he became K -1 Grand Prix champion.

[104] And just to clarify, he didn't really get pop for steroids.

[105] You get popped for elevated testosterone to epitostosterone ratio.

[106] Your fighter has steroids.

[107] It's from testosterone.

[108] I mean, he admitted they shot him with testosterone.

[109] So, yeah, he was really trying to concentrate entirely on the kickboxing for a while.

[110] You know, when you see a guy that, I mean, he's one of the, like, the best examples ever of a guy whose career was in a shitter and then pulled out of it, and all of a sudden he's on top of the world.

[111] And amazing, dude.

[112] He's great.

[113] I mean, Anderson Silva.

[114] Look at Anderson Silva.

[115] Yeah.

[116] He was in pride and he was losing and getting submitted.

[117] And all of a sudden he came over.

[118] Ryo Chonin, Takasi submitted him.

[119] Yeah.

[120] And they came over to UFC and just hasn't been beaten since, I don't think.

[121] Yeah, it's interesting when you see guys, when you catch guys like in between camps and, you know, there's a split when they can't.

[122] That's when you really realize, like, how important it is to have the whole fucking package together.

[123] To have a coach that you will listen to, to have trainers who are looking out for you, to have a guy who's actually analyzing your training and say, you know, he looks like he's peeking a little early.

[124] We've got to take him back a little.

[125] Let's check his heart rate.

[126] guys who are really looking at you like a racehorse and when a guy doesn't have that like anderson silver went for a stretch in pride where he'd left hujima and uh he formed formed moitai dream team and he sort on his own for a little bit too and it was losing man he just wasn't the same dude just wasn't the same guy and then he surround himself to great people man he look at he does an awesome job but i mean it goes not to the fighter also man i mean we go through a lot mentally it's just battles that we go through in our own heads and you got to have that confidence man that confidence is what changes everything what is it what is it like when you know you go from i mean i was there i was very fortunate to be there for your very first fight in 1997 wasn't west alberton yes west all britain he came alabama yeah you came in as a replacement right yeah um actually um i watched jerry bowlander fight and we wrestled in high school he went to livermore high i went to honeyton and we're at the state mean i beat him and then i watched him win the uh lightweight At the time was lightweight, under 199, the lightweight tournament.

[127] And I was like, that kid looks familiar.

[128] I remembered, I was like, I called Tank at that time.

[129] I was training with Tank.

[130] Dude, I want to fight in the UFC.

[131] I could crush these guys.

[132] They see Bullander just cemented guys and just pretty much handing their ass to him.

[133] And he goes, huh, you think you could do this?

[134] Yeah.

[135] He goes, all right, we'll see about getting you fun.

[136] I get a call like two weeks later.

[137] It says UFC 13.

[138] How much training did you have, MMA training before that fight?

[139] Um, probably about two months.

[140] What did you do during that time?

[141] I wrestled.

[142] I wrestled and I mean, I had a street fight.

[143] I grew up in the 80s.

[144] We were punk rock era.

[145] We used to slam dance and there was no guns.

[146] People didn't have guns.

[147] Romance fought.

[148] You know, we fought.

[149] And I got in fist fights.

[150] Got my ass beat a bunch of times.

[151] My brother Marty and Jim and Mike and their brothers or their friends.

[152] But I just came from a wrestling background.

[153] I knew how I had a street fight.

[154] I mean, I had a fight.

[155] So that's how you looked at.

[156] You looked at it.

[157] Look, I got my wrestling.

[158] I got my wrestling.

[159] I got my wrestling.

[160] I'm going to take this guy down.

[161] I'm going to beat his head.

[162] At the time, I mean, I was a state champ.

[163] I was very confident, and I knew that guys couldn't stop my double.

[164] These guys weren't college wrestlers, and I knew I would dominate.

[165] What is it like to, there's got to be completely different mindsets from the first time you step into the octagon to as your career is progressing, to becoming a champion.

[166] You know, there's got to be a lot of differences in the way you approach things.

[167] It was, I don't know.

[168] I just really didn't think too much about it.

[169] You know, I didn't want to get lost.

[170] In the beginning, was it like all of a sudden, this is what I'm doing?

[171] All of a sudden, boom, I was like, I'm trying this out.

[172] And all of a sudden was like, wow, I was stepping in the cage and went, holy shit, well, what am I doing here?

[173] What's going on?

[174] And people listen to me and I'm going, you're Tito.

[175] Where T's, no, no, it was an average guide to me. It was like, okay, don't make a mistake.

[176] Keep your hands up because at the time.

[177] Well, everybody's an average guy.

[178] That's the secret at the end of the day, right?

[179] Everybody's just a person.

[180] Everybody's just a person.

[181] I mean, I'm just a person.

[182] And I just work really, really hard.

[183] You know, Paul Herrera, who fought in UFC, it was David versus Goliath, he was my high school wrestling coach.

[184] And I was training with him at the time, and I remember him saying, and this was a sign of cockiness.

[185] He's like, oh, what is Gary Goodrich going to do, arm wrestling to the ground?

[186] And then I was like, yeah, I wouldn't think of it that way.

[187] I would look and see what he really does.

[188] And I started watching, seeing some of the other kapikido or some of the fighting he did.

[189] That was one of the scariest chaos ever.

[190] That was, I was there in it.

[191] And it shook my heart.

[192] I was like, blam, he got blasted, and I was just like, holy shit.

[193] I remember at the time, my girlfriend, Kristen, she was like, I don't want you to what happened to Paul, happened to you, I'm going to train hard.

[194] I can, I can let me be too confident, I'm just going, I'm going to know I'm going to fight, I'm going to fight as hard as I possibly can.

[195] And I did.

[196] I worked my butt off, you know, I'd run four miles a day, six days a week.

[197] I would wrestle three hours a day with jujitsu, two hours a day.

[198] I would do my boxing.

[199] I didn't do kickboxing at the time.

[200] I just did boxing.

[201] I didn't spar that much because, I mean, at the time, I didn't really understand what Spartan was about.

[202] You know, we did a lot of wrestling.

[203] We did a lot of ground fighting stuff.

[204] But he did do much stand -up fighting.

[205] Yeah, not really, not really.

[206] I mean, Tank was the guy who I'd have the spar with, and I didn't want to get a punch in the face by him.

[207] Everybody saw what he did to guys.

[208] I never got a chance to spar with him.

[209] But I'd wrestle with them all the time.

[210] We'd do submission wrestling all the time, and I was a lot faster.

[211] But it was just one of those things.

[212] As it progressed, when I first started to, like, when I went to Cal State at Bakers, after I fought my first time.

[213] I took a year off.

[214] I went to Cal State Bakersfield to try to finish up to get my teaching degree and get my major in physical education, my minor special education teaching.

[215] And then me and the coach in Seattle, I was like, wow, man, this is something that I don't want to do.

[216] I got an opportunity to go back and fight for the UFC.

[217] And I was like, all right, I'm going to kill this coach at Goldmarry, Cal State Bakersfield, or I'm going to leave.

[218] So pack my stuff up, drop my stuff off at his school and say, you know what, you're a piece of shit.

[219] and I don't say anybody respects you.

[220] I'm either going to kick your ass or I'm out of here.

[221] So I packed my stuff in Newhall.

[222] We went back down in Huntington, got a job at Spanky's Adult Bookstore.

[223] They were one of your first sponsors.

[224] Yeah, I'm one of my first sponsors.

[225] Spankies on your shorts.

[226] Spanky's Triple X. My first sponsor is an adult novelty store.

[227] I worked there.

[228] I sold merchandise.

[229] I was buying high selling guys there.

[230] I was a great salesman.

[231] There are some interesting stories that would happen there.

[232] But beyond that, beyond that, you know, I started.

[233] trained him I got my first fight back so it was like an opportunity in the middle of a place it was the best door for you it was it was it was uh he actually the owner from the company knew that I fought and he goes there was a UFC in Brazil and I told him I wanted to go he's all how about I pay for your air ticket in your hotel to go out there me and one of my other friends went out there and I made my first little fighter cards and I had my phone number on it had my email address on it had a picture of me with my back to the pitcher um said Tito Ortiz on and I I remember walking up to John Peretti and going, I want to fight.

[234] I'll kick any of these guys.

[235] I'll kick that Frank Shermach's guy's ass.

[236] I'll kick his ass.

[237] I'll kick his ass.

[238] I go, I want to fight.

[239] He looked at me like, who in the hell are you?

[240] I go, I'm Tito Ortiz.

[241] I go, watch UFC 13.

[242] I go, I almost beat guy Matt's here in the finals.

[243] I go, I beat up guy, or West All -Bretton.

[244] And at the time, I was a young kid.

[245] I was cocky.

[246] How old were you?

[247] I was 22.

[248] I just turned 20.

[249] Yeah, I just turned 22.

[250] I was a young kid.

[251] And, I mean, at the time, I was hungry.

[252] man. Yeah, you can't judge a man on what the fuck comes out of his mouth when he's 22.

[253] Believe me, at that time, I didn't care.

[254] I didn't, I mean, I was the toughest guy in the world I thought.

[255] Well, you did not have a good childhood.

[256] No, I came from nothing.

[257] I mean, I think God has put me in the right ways, a lot of things, you know.

[258] But don't get me wrong.

[259] I don't go to church all the time.

[260] You know, I just believe in being a good person.

[261] You know, you treat people how you're going to be treated.

[262] You know, I never try to step on anybody to get ahead.

[263] That seems to be self -evident.

[264] Right?

[265] I mean, pretty much everybody who has a brain knows, treat people well, and good things happen to you.

[266] There's an ethic to the world, right?

[267] Yeah, I mean, when I was a kid, you know, I mean, I had a problem.

[268] I used to steal a lot when I was a kid because I never had anything.

[269] My parents were drug addicts.

[270] You know, we lived in motels.

[271] We lived in cars.

[272] We lived in people's garages.

[273] And everybody else always had something.

[274] And I never had anything.

[275] My parents could never buy them anything.

[276] So, you know, I would still put clothes on my back.

[277] I'd still put food in my mouth, you know?

[278] So that was always your reality growing up?

[279] Your parents were drug addicts your entire time of your child?

[280] Um, to, I was about six years old to about 13.

[281] Um, it was, it was.

[282] So that was just your reality.

[283] That's all you remember.

[284] I got to therapy right now.

[285] It's like, I'm talking to my therapist.

[286] And it's like, um, and I realize the things that I do and why I do them.

[287] It's like, okay, this is the reason why I do that.

[288] This is right the reason why I do that.

[289] It's a learning process.

[290] And I think each person as us individuals, we got to understand ourselves.

[291] And how we're brought up is usually is how we become, but you still have that opportunity to make those decisions.

[292] yeah you have the opportunity to change your behavior but you have to look at it and it's hard to do it's hard to look at yourself it's challenging to look in the mirror and to question yourself don't i mean people could say oh that guy's talking shit about me no maybe that person's speaking the truth about you you're just too in denial to really realize it and i'm still learning i'm human i'm still learning and i look at those things as uh it's a challenge it's a challenge from god you know i could be a quitter i could be a complete drug addict right now and be strung out on heroin as my parents were.

[293] Or I could be in prison right now and doing a life term for killing somebody for something.

[294] Or I could be dead.

[295] I could have been shot as one of my friends were when I grew up in Santa Ana.

[296] But I was able to make a choice of my future.

[297] And I think through my UFC career, people had kind of a bad image of me because of the bad boy image.

[298] But I was just trying to sell.

[299] I was just trying to do what Ali did.

[300] You know, I was trying to do what some of the bad guys were that got the most attention, you know, at Tyson's heyday, he had said some of the most negative things ever, and people loved him.

[301] And that's why he was selling, you know, 1 .5 million pay -per -views.

[302] I mean, I've done that.

[303] I've done that for the UFC and I have.

[304] There is a part of it that is show business that people kind of have to understand.

[305] It's like rappers.

[306] Do you think they're really going out shooting people?

[307] No. You know, black, black, black, let me get.

[308] Some of them, some of them from Atlanta, you never know.

[309] Some of them, some of them get a little caught up in the game.

[310] Yeah.

[311] But, you know.

[312] I think you got to find that.

[313] a happy medium, you know, where you realize that it's about yourself to make the decisions.

[314] It's not about others who made you make those decisions.

[315] How did you get out of the place where you were, where you were growing up with drug addict parents?

[316] How did you get out of that?

[317] What was your mindset like when you were separating from your parents and becoming your own person with that sort of a background?

[318] Well, my mom gave me $800 when I was 18.

[319] I graduated.

[320] She goes, time for me to be a man. And I wanted to move out, too, but she was like, here, time for you to be a man. I moved on with my brother Marty and his wife, Christine, and I was doing drugs.

[321] I mean, I was doing, I mean, Crystal, we smoked weed, we drank in the weekends.

[322] But I worked at an allied moving service, and I would work 16 -hour days, drugged out.

[323] I kind of forgot about wrestling a little bit.

[324] It was about a year after high school.

[325] I was at some club, and I was partying one of my coaches.

[326] Old coaches pulled up to me. He's like, Tito, is that you?

[327] Yeah.

[328] He goes, you doing all right, man?

[329] I'm fine.

[330] I'm looking at myself.

[331] What do you mean?

[332] I'm fine.

[333] Because he don't look so good, man. I'm good.

[334] No, I'm cool, man. I'm good.

[335] Because you ever thought about coming back and wrestling, going back to school?

[336] I was like, yeah, but I live on my own.

[337] I'm just trying to make ends meet.

[338] And he's like, you know what?

[339] I tell you what I'll do.

[340] You come to my, come to my office, and we'll see about getting you financial aid.

[341] I go, we need financial aid.

[342] He goes, you're Mexican, right?

[343] I go, yeah, he goes, we can get you financial aid.

[344] It'll pay for your schooling, pay for your books, and possibly give you some type of stipend to pay for your house or apartment.

[345] I go, really?

[346] So that was a Saturday night I was partying.

[347] I was at Rhino Room in Huntington Beach.

[348] I was drinking.

[349] We partied that night.

[350] Sunday rolled around.

[351] I was up still doing drugs, doing crystal.

[352] That night, I looked in the mirror, and I didn't recognize myself.

[353] I was 182 pounds.

[354] 183 pounds, 6 '2, sucked up.

[355] I mean, people see me when I make weight at 205, my size narrow, it's the big difference.

[356] But weighing 185 pounds, pitfalls all over my face, I look like a drug addict, and it scared me. I looked at myself and I said, you're turning into your parents to you.

[357] And I have these conversations with myself all the time, just to do a reality check to check myself.

[358] And I woke up that Monday morning, I called Allen Movement Service, and I said I can't come in today.

[359] They're like, what do you mean?

[360] you can't come in today.

[361] You can't, you can't call and say you're not coming in today.

[362] I go, I got to check out the school thing.

[363] You don't come in today.

[364] You're fired.

[365] I go, well, I guess I quit then.

[366] Walked into that office and the coach had a big smile on his face.

[367] I mean, Raul Doherty at Goldman's College, a big smile in his face, and he was like, showed up.

[368] I want to give this a try.

[369] That's amazing.

[370] So this is just based on your wrestling ability that he saw from high school.

[371] He said this kid's got some talent and let me give you an opportunity to get out of your situation.

[372] He knew you were in a bad spot.

[373] Yeah, I mean, I knew I was in a bad spot, too.

[374] I just wasn't.

[375] Isn't that one of the best things about competitive athletics, just that, you know, that you can't get an opportunity like that?

[376] Yeah, well, you know, I don't think you can only just in athletics.

[377] I think it's in general in life.

[378] There's always someone that gives somebody an opportunity, and I think people got to take that advantage and take that as a situation of maybe it's God giving you a chance.

[379] Maybe it's someone just looking out for you.

[380] I mean, I've done that through my whole career if I try to help guys come up.

[381] And, you know, I look at it.

[382] It was a gift.

[383] It was a gift to me. And it was a challenge.

[384] It was a challenge from God saying, you want to become a real person?

[385] How hard is it to kick that crystal?

[386] That was almost four months, three months.

[387] Four months to kick it?

[388] Yeah.

[389] I mean, my situation was when I would drink, I would like to party.

[390] That was it.

[391] I wasn't like I was, I had to do it to get up and go.

[392] I had, no. I mean, I hate the feeling the next day, the burnout feeling.

[393] at that, that suck.

[394] But what really what it was was, I didn't feel normal anymore.

[395] I didn't feel that I was able to cope on a normal feeling.

[396] So you just wanted an escape?

[397] I wanted escape.

[398] It was from, it's funny, I talked to my therapist.

[399] I wanted to get away from that child of always wanting the attention that my parents never gave me. And that was, it was weird because I was, the only way to push that stuff away where I didn't think about anymore was doing drugs.

[400] It helped me deal with it.

[401] I dealt with it.

[402] I dealt with it well.

[403] And all of a sudden when the drugs weren't around, then I had something else to deal with it.

[404] School.

[405] School kept my mind off of it.

[406] Wrestling kept my mind off it.

[407] The security that I had from my coaches and from at the time my girlfriend Kristen who backed me, I just, I felt great from it.

[408] You know, I felt great from winning tournaments.

[409] I felt grateful winning a match.

[410] I felt great when I ran four miles, when I lifted weights, when I would drill, when everybody, when there was no one else in the room, and I'd be drilling by myself, or I'd have my other guys with me, and I'd be drill by myself, the coach would be looking at me going, all right, our training's done.

[411] I'm like, no, no, no, I still got some work to do.

[412] And I always want to prevail, be better.

[413] I always want to do something better.

[414] And I think that's what it was, just hard work and dedication.

[415] And, I mean, here's another story that, I mean, I look back when I used to drugs, I mean, when I was growing up, when I was with gang of stuff, we used to sniff rubber smit.

[416] And when you hallucinate and so forth, when I was growing up, I would hallucinate that I was walking on a red carpet.

[417] And this is at the age of 12 years old, 12, 13.

[418] I would hallucinate that I'm on a red carpet and people are taking pictures going, Tito, this way, this way.

[419] Pictures, pictures, pictures at that age.

[420] And I mean, I'm assuming anything that I was going to be who I am today as a...

[421] Well, who you are today is probably because of that very hunger.

[422] I mean, it's the exact opposite of what your life was.

[423] You weren't treated as special at all, so you wanted to be.

[424] uber special you wanted to be but it was weird i looked at it and it was like maybe was that god show me that this is what could happen that it could be possible well you know it could be but i mean i think everybody's motivation when when you're in a bad situation is to improve and it's one of the weird paradoxes of life especially as a father because i want to do the best i can for my kids and provide them with the most love and give them the most experiences but everybody i know that's interesting had a fucked up life yeah right right It's kind of weird.

[425] I mean, look at everybody who's very, very successful.

[426] They have had a fucked up life.

[427] They don't want to be in that position.

[428] They don't want to put their family in that position.

[429] And I've worked so hard to make sure that doesn't happen for my surroundings now.

[430] Yeah.

[431] I look at it, yes, I have nice cars.

[432] Yes, I have nice house.

[433] And yes, I'm very financially comfortable.

[434] But my biggest thing is making sure my kids have nothing to worry about where they don't have to steal to eat.

[435] And I'm not convinced that you, you know, your situation or my situation is bad for children.

[436] And as long as they get enough attention, you communicate with them, I do think that they can see life for what it is.

[437] But you got to give them challenges.

[438] You have to give them challenges.

[439] You have to make sure that they're working hard for what they're getting.

[440] If you just give them everything they want and they don't, they say, well, my dad's didn't get it for me. Well, my dad's going to get it for me. No. My son, Jacob, who's with him right now, actually, he has all A's in school right now.

[441] He's in private school.

[442] He has all A's.

[443] He reads on a sixth grade level now.

[444] He's in the second grade.

[445] That's awesome.

[446] And our deal is, is Jacob, I'll buy you anything you want, but you've got to get all A's in school.

[447] And you've got to do four things for me. You've got to respect your mom.

[448] You got to respect your students.

[449] You've got to respect your teacher.

[450] And you have to respect me. And he goes, done deal, Dad.

[451] I promise you.

[452] And he's a great kid.

[453] And he has a good head on his shoulders.

[454] Well, that's amazing.

[455] You know, you're really lucky.

[456] I'm very lucky.

[457] And, well, it's not even that.

[458] It's also just the attitude and the fact that he gets to see how hard work pays off.

[459] You know, I think that's so important to, you know, to see, like, he's seen you struggle.

[460] He's seen you up and down, you know.

[461] He's seen you win and lose.

[462] He's been a part of the whole thing and seeing the actual pain and the actual effort that's involved in becoming excellent.

[463] Yeah, let me tell you, when I fought Rashad last year, it was the worst call I've ever had with him ever.

[464] And I was like, Jacob, did you watch the fight?

[465] He goes, no, dad, I can't watch the fight.

[466] And I go, what do you mean?

[467] He's all it hurts when you, when I watch you lose.

[468] And I was like, oh, maybe he started crying.

[469] I was like, what do you mean?

[470] He's like, I can't, I can't want you to lose.

[471] Like, you get hurt and it scares me. I just can't handle, I can't handle the pressure.

[472] I was like, okay, now I know I'm starting to get him.

[473] I was like, wow, this is starting to give me right now.

[474] And then I realized, okay, I mean, I got a couple more fights left than you and got to worry about it.

[475] And when I told him, my last fight was in July, and he was like, thank God, dad.

[476] Now we can spend time together.

[477] And that's how much time I'm away from when I'm training.

[478] You know, people understand that it, you know, I, it's not like I get in a cage and I fight.

[479] No. I'm putting in three months away.

[480] work in big bear in big bear three times a year that's nine months out of the year that's a long time you're away from the family and by the way if anybody wanted to buy tito artis's big bear house that shit's for sale right yeah that's for sale i'm trying to sell i'm trying to get rid of it's pretty fucking badass i saw some photos of it online pull them up right it's it's five stars you can get we'll try to get that motherfucker sold i bet we can say i bet there's some fans out there that probably don't even know that that's your training camp and used to be oscar delahua's The Delahoeia made it for himself.

[481] You know, it started with one home, and then he made another home right next to it.

[482] It's on an acre, half of land, and he made it right next to him.

[483] And it was 5 or 4 ,000 square feet, 4 ,500 square feet.

[484] Got its own jacuzzi in the room.

[485] Everything's set on the inside.

[486] I mean, it's got an arcade system.

[487] I mean, it's a manhouse for sure.

[488] It's dope.

[489] It's all wood, too.

[490] It's all logs.

[491] It's made with logs.

[492] It's, it's pimps.

[493] It's about as pimps as you get.

[494] I mean, I go there.

[495] It's pimped and it's rural.

[496] Yeah.

[497] It's like Woodsy Pimp.

[498] It's almost like better than my home.

[499] My house at home.

[500] I'm like, Jesus.

[501] Is that it?

[502] Yeah, that's it.

[503] Oh, come on, dude.

[504] Look at that place.

[505] That's fucking bad ass.

[506] But you got to understand.

[507] When I first went to Big Bear one, it was 2001, I stayed in a two -bedroom apartment with eight dudes.

[508] Dude, this is so sick.

[509] That's the room.

[510] What happens if your kid gets straight A's though and wants to buy this house?

[511] That's what he wants you to buy.

[512] One.

[513] You never know.

[514] I mean, I keep it.

[515] No, our job.

[516] is, you know, I mean, as a father, is making sure that he gets through school, you know.

[517] And he says he wants to be a fighter.

[518] But I tell him what's our deal.

[519] And our deal is to make sure that he gets his master degree first.

[520] If he gets his master degree, you see, he'll be buying this house for me. I already just keep up getting it.

[521] I've already paid for it by then.

[522] Go Google it, folks.

[523] Yeah.

[524] It's on YouTube.

[525] So what I was trying to get at when I was asking about the psychology of the difference between when you first were like, fuck it, let's give this a shot to when you actually have something to lose.

[526] It's not like this conversation that you have with your kid where he doesn't want you to fight anymore.

[527] You know, I can't watch.

[528] I don't want to watch you lose.

[529] Like, you know, it came down, I think, the couture fight.

[530] It was, I defended my world title at the time, five consecutive times.

[531] And I was up in Big Bear for three months.

[532] The whole time, three months.

[533] I never left the mountain.

[534] I didn't do any PR.

[535] I just sat up there and I busted my ass.

[536] And I thought I was prepared.

[537] I may over -trained myself a little bit.

[538] I was the first problem I had with my back.

[539] You know, I came down.

[540] I got injections with my back.

[541] I didn't want to pull out.

[542] I was like, I ain't pulled out.

[543] What did it feel like?

[544] It felt like someone stabbed me right above my tailbone.

[545] So did it feel like it was in the spine itself?

[546] It was in the spine.

[547] It was like right, like literally right on the spinal cord.

[548] So what happened was a bulged disc.

[549] The disc got bulged and pressed on my spinal cord.

[550] And my legs went completely numb.

[551] Oh.

[552] And it was the worst.

[553] It was a month before the fight, Fagatatatature.

[554] It was the worst pain ever, and people don't understand.

[555] And I get all the time, people make, Tito makes excuses and da -da -da -da -da.

[556] People, man, if you guys ever had back pain before, try to train on it.

[557] Try to run on it.

[558] Not only that.

[559] When someone says it's an excuse, really it's true.

[560] You know, you could say it's an excuse, but if you want to have all the information about a guy's performance, you really got to know, first of all, what goes wrong in training, how many different.

[561] dudes go into the cage fucked up already.

[562] I mean, how many, so many times when you see guys, you don't even know.

[563] They might have something wrong with their shoulder, they might have something wrong with their hip, you know, you never know.

[564] And, you know, to people get upset at you bringing that up, you've gone through knee surgeries, neck surgery, back surgery.

[565] I've got a ACL replacement.

[566] I fought six months later after it.

[567] I had back surgery, two -level fusion, my lower back, L -4 -5 S -1 fused.

[568] I fought a year later.

[569] Now, when they fuse it, is it like they did with Nate Quarry where it's like a flexible piece or something in between, like a plastic?

[570] No, they fuse.

[571] They put screws in it.

[572] Also, they bolt them together and they make it like one disc.

[573] It becomes like, two becomes one, right?

[574] Oh, yeah.

[575] Well, actually, four became one.

[576] Actually, no, two becomes one.

[577] And does that change your movement?

[578] No, I could touch my toe.

[579] My hands can touch the bottom of the ground when my feet flat.

[580] Not a problem at all.

[581] You know, it was a hard recovery, very, very hard recovery.

[582] Very, I mean, that was the worst pain I ever had in my life.

[583] I've had ACL surgery, like I said.

[584] I had my neck fused, C6C7 fused.

[585] I had meniscus, 50 % of meniscus taken out.

[586] And when you had that fuse, is it the same way?

[587] Same exact same way?

[588] Same exact thing.

[589] Dr. William Smith at Las Vegas who did my surgery, who's the best surgeon in the world.

[590] And I'll say that again, Dr. William Smith is the best surgeon in the world.

[591] I was able to bounce back and fight.

[592] I was able to bounce back and train.

[593] I was able now not to have back pain anymore.

[594] I mean, it was so bad where when my escalating, I actually was leaning so much of my right ass that when I got my back fixed, my seat was still leaning.

[595] It was dented?

[596] It was dented.

[597] And I would sit in normal and I was like, what the fuck?

[598] Jesus, that is just weird.

[599] And just little small things, I mean, getting up to go to the bathroom, sitting down to go to the bathroom was impossible.

[600] And it's the same thing in your lower back as it was your neck.

[601] Yeah.

[602] So was it the same kind of pain?

[603] It was different pain.

[604] The one in my butt, or excuse me, in my back would go down to my butt, would go down to my legs.

[605] My legs would go numb.

[606] The one that was in my neck would go through my whole body.

[607] It was going down my arms.

[608] And this was before I fought for us in UFC, was a UFC 106, where I had a ruptured disc.

[609] The disc was ruptured.

[610] And I still fought.

[611] I mean, I wasn't, I mean, I had no choice.

[612] I got to pay bills, right?

[613] But they went in and they fused it.

[614] They took a distal completely.

[615] They stuck in two bolts on a plate.

[616] By the way, Brian, that video's online.

[617] Yes, that video is online.

[618] You got to see it.

[619] People don't understand.

[620] People, you got to watch this because you'll see this guy is putting in the screws in my neck.

[621] He's hammering in his neck, like his neck is a chair.

[622] Yeah, and like putting in these bolts in here.

[623] Yeah.

[624] It's like he's screwing on the bolts.

[625] It's like he's hammering a leg in on a wooden chair.

[626] Donk.

[627] Theta or T surgery, maybe.

[628] Surgery.

[629] Neck surgery?

[630] Yeah, neck surgery.

[631] It was gnarly.

[632] But, you know, it was challenges, man. God gives me challenges.

[633] You know, I could, you know, as everyone calls me, or tries to, call me a pussy for making excuses, I could have been in a pussy and pulled out of my whole career.

[634] And I wasn't letting it happen.

[635] Listen, the people that call you a pussy are silly.

[636] You can't address them.

[637] They're silly.

[638] It's, look, there's so many.

[639] Is that the video?

[640] Oh, yeah.

[641] Oh, you don't even want to watch this.

[642] Look, that's the spacer.

[643] That thing that guy's screwing, that's to open the neck up.

[644] Oh, look how gnarly this is.

[645] That's me on the ground.

[646] I had them record it just so people understood what they're going through.

[647] This is so fucking crazy, man. So right now he's clipping out the disc.

[648] Oh, my God, this is nuts.

[649] Look how fucking wide your neck is open.

[650] You'll see the little two.

[651] This guy's in there with a hammer and pulling you.

[652] shit out.

[653] See the blood on the tube right there and suck it through the pipe and that's all the disc.

[654] So he's pulling the disc out.

[655] Oh my God.

[656] And he's like now he's just pulling the little disc pieces out.

[657] He's pulling chunks out.

[658] Yeah.

[659] So he's...

[660] Dude, I mean...

[661] Oh!

[662] The work they do now is just amazing.

[663] I mean, like I said, this Dr. William Smith and his God has gave him some blessed hands.

[664] Dude, it's like your head is a car.

[665] No, it's like doing, you're servicing a car that has a broken or a blown transmission.

[666] That motherfucker was straining as he was pulling shit out of there.

[667] Just wait until you see the Oh, here's the hammer part.

[668] Watch this.

[669] No, I can't watch it.

[670] Yeah, no, he's hammering in the bolts.

[671] Oh, Jesus.

[672] And then the rattest thing is, too, is when he screws them in, like, right, seen, right now he just screwing in the first little tip of the screws.

[673] And then he goes with his whole hand, he goes, right here, and now he's tightening it down.

[674] Oh, my God.

[675] And then, like, if people go online, you check us out in the audio for this.

[676] I mean, it is ridiculous.

[677] You can hear the squeaking?

[678] Oh, let's hear the squeaking.

[679] And he'll start tapping And like tap, tap, tap, tap.

[680] Oh, God.

[681] Oh.

[682] Jesus fucking Christ.

[683] And then you didn't hear him like...

[684] It's like he's changing the tire, but it's actually changing the neck.

[685] Oh.

[686] Look at this space or this fucking giant hunk of metal.

[687] They're sticking inside you.

[688] After I got this done and I watched this, I was like, you made me plan.

[689] I'm like, joking right now.

[690] Three millimeter punch.

[691] Were you watching this while you were healing up?

[692] Yeah.

[693] I was laying in bed.

[694] I was actually, I got it done.

[695] It was my son, my boy's second birthday, Jesse and Journey's second birthday, and they're having a party downstairs, and I was up in bed laying down.

[696] We're talking about, I just like, man, I wish I'd be downstairs with my family.

[697] But, you know, sacrifices we do to become fighters, huh?

[698] You couldn't even move around.

[699] How long were you in bed for?

[700] I was in bed for a week.

[701] A whole week.

[702] But no, I got, after after surgery, I got up.

[703] I got up.

[704] I had a neck brace on.

[705] I got up.

[706] I stood up.

[707] I walked to my car.

[708] I sat down.

[709] My friend Juan drove me back on Huntington Beach from Vegas.

[710] Holy shit.

[711] You drove?

[712] Like, you were in a car?

[713] I was in a car.

[714] You feel like your head would be like a weble.

[715] I don't know.

[716] I was in my phantom.

[717] It's a little different.

[718] You're in a fandom.

[719] Yeah.

[720] But the raddest thing is I had this during shooting the Ultimate Fighter.

[721] So they shot the Ultimate Fighter and I was getting kicked.

[722] out.

[723] I got kicked off because I had to get neck surgery.

[724] And back then, the ultimate fighter was shot six weeks before.

[725] Dana goes, you can't be seen in public.

[726] I was like, what do you mean they can't be seen in public?

[727] He goes, you got to wait until we show that you get kicked up before you can be seen in public.

[728] Are you serious?

[729] He goes, yeah, if you're being seen in a public, you're going to know you can have to get neck surgery or more.

[730] Okay.

[731] He goes, I had to stay in the house for an extra month and a half.

[732] And hide?

[733] Yeah, literally hide.

[734] I would go to my physical therapy.

[735] I had to pull through the back door, and I like, all right, no one's looking?

[736] All right, go, because at the time, paparazzi would be looking around and stuff.

[737] So I was like, all hilarious.

[738] And go, I'd run, make a run to the door and I'd get in.

[739] And everybody was all hush -hush when I was there.

[740] And it was like, it was the worst.

[741] I mean, not to be able to go out was hard because I had a neck brace on them.

[742] I couldn't take my neck brace off for seven weeks.

[743] So it was, how long was it after surgery before you could actually train?

[744] It was probably about two and a half months, three months where I was able to do a little bit of cardio stuff.

[745] That's it.

[746] Yeah.

[747] Yeah, I was able to hit the bag a little bit.

[748] So for two months, nothing, no movement at all, nothing.

[749] Well, a little, I mean, physical therapy, you know, at Joe Donahue down in Costa Mesa called Pro Sport.

[750] We did a lot of physical therapy stuff where I was doing a lot of movement, some shoulder workout stuff, a little arm paddling, biking.

[751] But all very low key.

[752] Very low, low, low key, you know, and the way of my doctor put it, he's a Tito, you can understand.

[753] All those nerve endings are starting to heal up again.

[754] For the first two, three with four weeks, you got to chill.

[755] You got to let those things just heal.

[756] So, I mean, I was eating painkillers like, no thing.

[757] I mean, I was like just handfuls of them, handfuls of them, handfuls of them.

[758] But he says, you don't want to feel any pain.

[759] He goes, when you feel pain, he gives irritation to the area that's trying to be healed, and they're not going to heal that fast.

[760] So I was like, all right, I'm never going to fill it then.

[761] So he's telling you to take as many pain, yeah.

[762] Sounds like a dude is selling painkillers.

[763] No, but, I mean, you have to put it to acknowledge it's not the factor of selling painkillers.

[764] I mean, he's not making money out of the painkillers.

[765] He's making...

[766] I'm totally kidding.

[767] Yeah, no, no, no. But just listeners don't understand that.

[768] Right.

[769] So it's important, actually, to take those pills.

[770] Take those pills.

[771] Doctors say take them, take them.

[772] When it's time to get off of them, stop taking them.

[773] How hard is that, though?

[774] It takes a week.

[775] It's hard.

[776] You know, you go through the little shakes and, you know, the sick feeling like you have the flu.

[777] How ridiculous is it that that shit is legal?

[778] Yeah.

[779] It's got to be another way to fucking stop pain than that.

[780] Dude.

[781] Rubber.

[782] cement.

[783] It's crazy because, you know, people, they'll take painkillers and then they try to get off them and they're in pain and they're like, I got to take painkillers to get rid of the pain.

[784] No, it's because your body is addicted.

[785] I know so many fucking people that have had problems with pain pills.

[786] I know a lot of people.

[787] I mean, there's a lot of kids that are in school.

[788] They get them from their parents and they're snorting them.

[789] Yeah, a lot of kids are smoking them and snorting in Adderall.

[790] So it's ridiculous.

[791] It's bizarre.

[792] We were growing up.

[793] I mean, kids while we were smoking weed.

[794] I mean, maybe the rich kids had cocaine.

[795] I mean, that was it, man. It's just, I've seen so many people that were normal people.

[796] And then they had a back injury or something.

[797] They got on pain pills.

[798] And they could not fucking get off.

[799] Well, that's what started.

[800] My dad, he had a hernia.

[801] He had a hernia and he had surgery.

[802] And he started taking painkillers.

[803] And my uncle, because the doctor said, we can't describe pain killers anymore.

[804] Well, I was still in pain.

[805] So my uncle hooked him up.

[806] It was trisps with heroin.

[807] Oh.

[808] Bam, all of a sudden, everything, life changed from that point along.

[809] My dad used to own business.

[810] When I was young, I mean, I remember when I was five.

[811] My dad had his own carpentry business, and he did well.

[812] I mean, we lived a great life, I thought.

[813] I mean, at the time.

[814] But, I mean, when I was six years old, everything changed.

[815] I mean, I remember perfect.

[816] Everything changed so fast.

[817] All of a sudden, we're in a house.

[818] I remember hearing my parents fight in all the time.

[819] All of a sudden, we were in a house.

[820] I remember with someone's garage, and then we went in someone's trailer, and when someone were in a car for a while then we're in a motels and it was it was challenging and i'm very thankful for my mom leaving my dad because i got a second chance in life i think do you feel like you could have ever been the guy you were if you didn't have such a shit childhood no no way there's no way you would have that drive right that's i wouldn't have the same drive no way but you'd still like the thing you'd still be a winner though right you'd figure something out i would i would you know i may be a little bit better in school you know If I got a different opportunity, I think if I would have got the same opportunity, I've given my son, being a straight -Aid student, I think I mean, my parents were very artistic, my dad was an artist, my dad was a carpenter, my mother's an artist, I think I have great brains.

[821] I mean, shit like I'm wearing right now.

[822] I mean, the business work I've done already, by all the damage I've done to my brain when I was younger, I'm on great capacity of just learning experience.

[823] And I think that my kids have that same opportunity now, but without the drugs around.

[824] Well, you certainly got out at MMA, too, without incurring some, like, speech problems or any of the shit that we're starting to see now from guys.

[825] I see some of the guys now.

[826] It just, like, makes me cringe.

[827] I'm just like, God, man. All those times, all those fights, and you think of guys are like, God, I just want you to see you guys stand up and just punch each other in the face.

[828] And I was like, okay, I look at boxers.

[829] Yeah.

[830] No. I mean, for perfect example, actually one of my buddies who I, back of the day, who used to box Fernando Vargas, and...

[831] I know Fernando.

[832] Has he changed?

[833] A lot.

[834] A lot.

[835] A lot.

[836] And, I mean, I love him.

[837] He's my boy.

[838] It's a great guy.

[839] Awesome guy.

[840] Stand -up, dude.

[841] Cool, cool cat.

[842] But there's no doubt he paid a price.

[843] He paid a price, man. I mean, these guys, they're getting a head to you.

[844] It's weird when you know a guy before he pays the price, and then you see the results.

[845] And then you go, oh, this is real.

[846] The Trinidad fight was the one that changed everything.

[847] I met Terry Norris once in Vegas.

[848] I didn't actually meet him.

[849] I was standing next to him, I should say, while he was talking to a fan.

[850] And he was, you know, someone's asking him, you know, what's going on with you?

[851] You're going to fight again?

[852] And he was talking, and it was almost like it was a joke.

[853] I was like, is he drunk?

[854] Like, what's going on?

[855] And then I realized, oh, Jesus, this is why you haven't seen him in years.

[856] He's fucking punched drunk.

[857] Yeah, it's just from taking so many blows.

[858] And, like, say, is it exciting to put a great fight on, yes.

[859] but to stand there and slug with guys well it's not just that it's also the gym wars you know yeah yep 100 % you're true yeah and I mean he he got hit too Terry Norris got hit by guys like Mugabe you know when Mugabe was a monster when he was Kio and everybody he Kioed Terry Norris it was ugly or did Terry, who did Terry Norris that was like a vicious Kail puncher I'm pretty sure Mugabe take Kio Norris too I don't want to say that I mean he looks like some of the guys now I mean guys that Tyson's fought I mean, they're not all there, man. I mean, you see a lot of these guys go through some things.

[860] I mean, football players and other guys have the concussion.

[861] Oh, Terry Norris, Coyote Mugabe.

[862] Jesus Christ, Joe, Rogan.

[863] I know, Joe.

[864] Come on, dude.

[865] It was Julian Jackson.

[866] Who the fuck was?

[867] Was it that Mugabe, like, knocked out where it was really ugly?

[868] Oh, I don't remember.

[869] Look, Terry Norris had gotten stopped a bunch of times in his career.

[870] And, you know, the fights where he got.

[871] got stopped, it wasn't even just that damage that really did it to him.

[872] I think it was Julian Jackson knocked out Terry Norris.

[873] There was really the gym wars, right?

[874] The gym wars are the things that people don't see but they accumulate and a lot of times, it might as well be a fucking fight.

[875] I mean, I've been in gyms, we're watching dudes who are high -level guys.

[876] They're fighting.

[877] We're fighting.

[878] We're fighting.

[879] I mean, Rampage.

[880] Me and Rampage were training partners.

[881] Yeah.

[882] We would spar, we would fight.

[883] We would kick each other's asses.

[884] We would fight.

[885] I mean, It was just that type of thing where we got the best of each other.

[886] And it was like, all right, cool.

[887] And when it's over, like, good job.

[888] Good job.

[889] All right, good job.

[890] Some guys can handle that, but some guys are not that durable.

[891] And you slowly see it slipping away on them and you know exactly what's causing it.

[892] I mean, my biggest thing was, when my trainers are, I'd be like, okay, we're sparring three times a week.

[893] I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, why are we sparring so much for?

[894] I mean, like, we don't want to spar.

[895] I go, no, I just want to get my ass whipped every day.

[896] I go, let's do twice a week.

[897] All right, we'll do twice a week.

[898] I mean, there was, I mean, don't get me wrong.

[899] There was times, I mean, years and years and years that we do three times a week.

[900] I mean, sometimes four times a week.

[901] But, I mean, I don't like to get hit.

[902] Did you tell me a guy who likes to get hit?

[903] I'm going to show you a stupid man. Yeah.

[904] Well, I think that it's a weird aspect of MMA, you know, the guys who just want to stand there and bang.

[905] They just want to stand and bang.

[906] I'm like, man, you don't know what you're saying.

[907] Like, you're saying something crazy.

[908] Like, you got a ticket, okay?

[909] And there's only so many places you can punch a hole in that ticket.

[910] And you're just going to give up all these tickets on purpose.

[911] That's crazy.

[912] Just to put on a show, cool.

[913] Fans love you.

[914] Awesome.

[915] Great.

[916] But when it's time to cash in that check.

[917] Yeah.

[918] Are you sure you can count those numbers on there?

[919] Well, it's like I love the fights between Atorogadi and Mickey Ward.

[920] They were fucking amazing fights.

[921] But if you know anything about brain damage and you know anything about what causes it, those are the type of fights that those guys are going to pay for.

[922] Pull up, Brian, pull up a video.

[923] Jackson, K .O. Terry Norris.

[924] Julian Jackson versus Terry Norris.

[925] This is the fight that I was talking about, it was frightening.

[926] Really?

[927] Yeah.

[928] Well, Julian Jackson was another murderous puncher.

[929] You're knocking guys out and they're blowing snobbles.

[930] Yeah.

[931] Your brain ain't working all the way there.

[932] Yeah.

[933] That's not good.

[934] Hello, hello.

[935] They're like, mama, dad, dad?

[936] No, we're not in their home.

[937] It seems like the guys with the grappling -based styles that are trying to initiate grappling more avoid a lot more damage than the guys who are striking on.

[938] I mean, if you can put on a show, I mean, I have done a great job in my career of being the dominant person on top.

[939] Yeah, well, not only that, I mean, look at a guy like Anderson Silver, it barely gets hit and everybody loves watching him fight.

[940] You don't, you don't have to slug it out with people.

[941] It's true.

[942] It's very true.

[943] You know, and, you know, people like watching submissions, too.

[944] It's people like watching a guy figure out how to be a killer.

[945] Yeah.

[946] And in MMA, you never know.

[947] Yeah, you never know.

[948] But people can't figure out how to beat Anderson yet.

[949] Not yet.

[950] It's been very impressive.

[951] Maybe John Jones would, you know.

[952] What's the catch weight there?

[953] I don't know.

[954] I don't think you should be one.

[955] You think 205?

[956] I don't think John Jones can get any lower than 205 and be healthy.

[957] Yeah.

[958] That's Terry Norris getting killed.

[959] Watch this shit.

[960] Julian Jackson was ridiculous.

[961] Julian Jackson was one of the most murderous power punchers of all times.

[962] See, stuff like that just kissing a little bit.

[963] You realize how there's only four boxers than you're dying.

[964] Stuff like this is what does it.

[965] The fucking power that guy.

[966] Right hook.

[967] Ooh, another right hook.

[968] Another right in combination of Terry.

[969] Jesus.

[970] Yeah, poor Terry took a few of those in his career.

[971] Man. He just, I watched him fight Dana Rosenblatt.

[972] It was like one of his last fights.

[973] Dana was a friend of mine from Boston, and Dana beat him by decision.

[974] But I remember watching Terry in a fight, I'm like, he can't pull the trigger.

[975] His body is just, he just couldn't pull the trigger.

[976] That's one of the things, too, that I talked to Jason Prolo about, because Jason, you know, he's worked some great guys.

[977] I mean, and he goes, you can tell when a guy loses it.

[978] Because when he hits pads, when he spars, it's not there.

[979] Yeah.

[980] You just lose your timing.

[981] You lose everything.

[982] I mean, what was they say, what Jason telling me, he says, first goes your legs, then your body, then you're mine.

[983] Yeah.

[984] I mean, you see it.

[985] I mean, all fighters do that.

[986] I mean, thank God my legs are gone.

[987] Thank God my body's gone, because my head's still here.

[988] So now it's time to use my head instead of my body and my damn legs anymore.

[989] Did you ever get to?

[990] I mean, I remember in my brief time of kickboxing, there was moments where I would lay in bed at night and I have fucking headaches.

[991] And I'd be sitting there when my head is throbbing, going, what the fuck am I doing in my head right now?

[992] Like, what is the...

[993] Did you ever wonder about, like, what's the...

[994] Like, where are you at?

[995] Like, what's the tally?

[996] What do you owe?

[997] You know what I mean?

[998] No, you know, I always felt like I was smoking weed after I sparred.

[999] Just like dizzy, silly?

[1000] Yeah, people say some silly shit after they spar.

[1001] Like sometimes the funniest conversations you get in with guys who just got done sparring and then they go eat.

[1002] Yeah, and it's like, double, double, do you're almost like hammered.

[1003] Yeah, no, seriously.

[1004] That's what they call it punch drunk, I guess.

[1005] Well, no, yeah, sort of, but that's a different feeling.

[1006] That's like a sort of post -workout, post -getting -punched in the head feeling.

[1007] Your adrenaline is rushing.

[1008] You got cracked with some good shots.

[1009] You kind of get that iron taste in your mouth.

[1010] Blood, yeah, copper.

[1011] Yeah, that doesn't taste.

[1012] Do you, um, did you ever, like, say, like, how many times can I fight?

[1013] How many, did you ever, like, try to, like, sit down and look at it and say, realistically, how much, damn, there's, because we all know there's, there's certain guys, like even boxers that got out in time and you listen to them talk, and they're fine, you know, they have no problems at all.

[1014] Well, that was my thing.

[1015] I never wanted to take too much abuse, you know?

[1016] I mean, I think Liddell's only one wants to really hurt me. Literally.

[1017] I mean, Van der Le Sill hit me with one punch within our title five when we fought, that made me feel like the world upside, went upside down.

[1018] Chuck caught me, you know, in our first fight with a couple good shots, two good shots, a good right hand, a good left hook.

[1019] And it just feels like your legs get dropped.

[1020] Your legs come out from under you.

[1021] They stop working.

[1022] Stop working.

[1023] Just everything goes, bing.

[1024] I mean, I've never been out unconscious ever in my career.

[1025] You know, I think Rampage and when we're sparring, maybe see some twinkle bells where everything felt like it's been there.

[1026] I'm like, well, this has been here before.

[1027] Wait a second.

[1028] I'm not been here before.

[1029] Right.

[1030] But, I mean, I've never been unconscious where I'm on the ground.

[1031] I'm waking and going, oh, whoa, what would happen?

[1032] Thank God.

[1033] That's some scary shit.

[1034] Yeah, that's some scary shit.

[1035] You know, I've been able to get up right after, like, boom.

[1036] You know, like I said, first time you and Chuck fought, I popped right on my feet.

[1037] I was fine.

[1038] I mean, the judge was trying to keep me down.

[1039] I was like, get the fuck away from me. Let me stand in my feet, get away from me. You know, a little embarrassed, but at the same time, it's just one of those things as fighters and as men, you don't want to be in that position.

[1040] Yeah, you don't want to, yeah.

[1041] You still didn't want to accept losing, too.

[1042] Yeah, I mean, losing though it just happened.

[1043] Yeah, I mean, people understand, I mean, as a fighter, I mean, at heart as a fighter, when I lose, it's like a loved one dying.

[1044] That's how much pain it is.

[1045] It's just like it sucks.

[1046] Fighting is so lonely, and people don't understand it unless you're a fighter.

[1047] The only, the loneliest feeling there is in the world is laying in bed before a fight and going, you have to go out there and fight.

[1048] You got to put on a show.

[1049] You got to make it fun for the fans to watch.

[1050] and everything lies on you.

[1051] There's no one that could save you.

[1052] There's no one that could boost you.

[1053] There's no one that could help you throw punches.

[1054] There's no one that could help you take a guy down.

[1055] It's only you by yourself.

[1056] And there can be your family, wives, girlfriends, brothers, sisters, dads, mothers, going good luck, kick some ass.

[1057] That's as far as it goes, right there.

[1058] Goes no further than that.

[1059] You're the one that got to get in the gym and train every day.

[1060] You're the one that got to push yourself in spine, and do the extra drilling, do all these extra things.

[1061] And, you know, I never really understood it until I started working with Jason Pro.

[1062] And he explained it to me, he goes, man, isn't this a lonely sport?

[1063] And I was like, fuck, I've never heard it that way.

[1064] But yes, it is, man. It's lonely, but it all comes back into that one gigantic moment of the exact opposite of lonely when you win.

[1065] Yeah, when you win.

[1066] Everybody wants to be your best friend.

[1067] Everybody wants to be a part of the joy.

[1068] Not only that, the moment that you actually win.

[1069] Like when you tapped Ryan Bader Let me tell you something man That was about as happy As I've ever seen you Because you had gone through a drought For a few years And it's like you wanted that W And when you tagged him You dropped him And you grabbed a hold of that neck And pulled guard And fucking crushed it And he tapped Dude you were so happy You jumped up That was like watching Discovery Channel And you see a lion chasing a gazelle And trying to eat For the first time of his life I was that lion Just finally got it Fucking finally got it I remember locking my hands and I was working with Ferdice who we were doing at the time and I remember just hooking the guillotine wrapping one leg over wrapping the other leg over and we were just thinking producer goes keep her elbow down to you whenever you get the guillotine keep her elbow down I kept my elbow down and I just squeezed everything together and it wasn't the fact of pulling his head towards me or my body towards me would just doing a crunch and just crunching everything together just smushing it off and I'm just squeezing the shit out of him and I remember I'm not letting go to the refus me off because I'm not going There was something where he didn't tap or whatever.

[1070] The referee has to rip me off.

[1071] And I remember, and three days before that, I did the Ultimate Fighter with Michael Bisbing.

[1072] And all the guys are on the show, they're like, Tito, man, please do the Grave Digger.

[1073] Please do the Grave Digger.

[1074] Show us how you do it.

[1075] I was like, nope, I got to wait until this weekend, because when I drop Bader, I'm going to drop them, I'm going to beat him, and I'm going to do something, whatever I do.

[1076] But when I get it done, I'll do the Graveigger for you guys.

[1077] It's crazy that that was only the second submission in your career.

[1078] It really is crazy.

[1079] Because I always tell people you have a very underrated ground game.

[1080] When you pulled that triangle off on Machita, I was like, oh, shit.

[1081] Like, that was a wrinkle that a lot, look, there's a lot of dominant dudes, top dominant, especially, that don't have that wrinkle in their game.

[1082] They don't have that aspect of game.

[1083] You locked that thing up fucking sweet.

[1084] And if it wasn't Machita, if it wasn't a real Brazilian Jiu -Jitsu blackbell, you would have had that shit.

[1085] I would have.

[1086] You went for a tumble with it.

[1087] You went for the arm, too.

[1088] And that was my mess up.

[1089] You know, when we drill, I drill all the triangle.

[1090] other from the triangle, I go far and bar because the guy pulls away.

[1091] And I blew it by doing that.

[1092] I probably should have never did that.

[1093] I should have stayed at the triangle the whole time.

[1094] And all the time to ever catch guys now in triangles, I just make sure I hold on to it and don't let go.

[1095] And I know now to grab him onto my shin, don't let anything else go.

[1096] Just grab your shin, just hold on and wait the guy out.

[1097] And for you too, gable grip around the back of the head.

[1098] Pull the neck.

[1099] You pull the neck.

[1100] It can't handle it.

[1101] No, after a certain point in time, you have to, you have to tap.

[1102] There's a guy from Brazil that I moved out here who teaches in my school at Punishment.

[1103] training center Ricardo Abru and we go over that stuff he's like Tito I promise oh cyborg you know that guy no no no right now he's an 85 pounder he's an up -accombing kid he's he's 26 years old and he's amazing amazing who's that so the other's abru cyborg abru you know I'm talking about Brazilian jizu guy yeah I think he might be I think he's the same last yeah same last name but this kid he's an up -and -comer he's three no he's amazing trying to get him to find the next strike force card but he still got the good former fights until he's UFC status, I think.

[1104] He just needs to build this confidence a little bit.

[1105] But it's just one of those things I can say, man, you get those submissions and you do it over and over again.

[1106] You used to just making sure you don't make the same mistakes twice.

[1107] And my whole life I've never done that.

[1108] You know, I try to make same mistakes more than once.

[1109] There's so few guys that are big guys that have a strong guard.

[1110] You know, for every Fabrice over Doom, there's, you know, 100 guys, the turtles when they put them on their back.

[1111] And when I went to Abu Dhabi was when I started learning, you know, I started realizing.

[1112] I mean, I was a wrestler.

[1113] I mean, I'm going to my back.

[1114] It took me a good two years.

[1115] Just to be comfortable.

[1116] To be okay to go to my back and be okay with it.

[1117] But it was one of those things that when I sort of started fighting, I was going to my back.

[1118] The guys weren't taking me down.

[1119] No way.

[1120] I was defending, defending.

[1121] But then you get a little lazy when you start doing jitza.

[1122] You started going, okay, I'll pull guard.

[1123] I teach my guys now, don't pull guard.

[1124] That's the least.

[1125] That's the last thing you guys can do.

[1126] What do you do if you can't take a guy down, though, and the guy's fucking you up kickboxing.

[1127] Then pull guard.

[1128] And you better be fucking tougher in both of those things.

[1129] You've got to figure something out.

[1130] You're going to get to smash you on top.

[1131] Well, there's guys who you can't do that too.

[1132] Like, look at that Paul Sask guy.

[1133] You watch that kid out of Great Britain?

[1134] Not yet, no. Ooh, his triangles are nasty.

[1135] I think he's got eight or nine wins by triangle.

[1136] And he just catches everybody.

[1137] He just caught Jacob Volkman with a triangle.

[1138] But, I mean, you're getting that motherfucker's guard.

[1139] You're in quicksand.

[1140] Well, if someone fights him, give me an opportunity.

[1141] I'll show you a defense for a triangle that.

[1142] Yeah, but you can get out.

[1143] I just love watching a guy.

[1144] Oh, yeah?

[1145] You can get, I mean, someone can lock a triangle on you and you're going to get out.

[1146] Is that that sort of roll where you roll towards where the foot is locked up?

[1147] I do as I put, right hand goes on top of the shin, left hand comes on top of that, and I do a tripod, put the knee down, and literally his legs will open up.

[1148] He has no choice to get it.

[1149] I want to see you try that on Fabricio.

[1150] We're doing it.

[1151] It works.

[1152] Really?

[1153] It'll work on Fabricio.

[1154] It works on Fabricio.

[1155] All right, I got to see that.

[1156] I gotta see It's amazing It's good Good shit It's mad of the mic Isn't what on him Yeah That's a good sure For you Brian It's dangerous Dangerous Dangerous How much When you were In the middle Of training for fights And then you know The fight would be over How much time Would you spend Like working on your skills We just constantly Making sure You're always in shape Like Did you have a set Thing that you did Well I would take a month off Always Always Always take a month off Just let I would enjoy myself.

[1157] Enjoy yourself.

[1158] Enjoy yourself.

[1159] Enjoy myself.

[1160] It was, because I was, when I started wrestling in high school, that was my deal.

[1161] I'd go through a whole season of wrestling.

[1162] Summer would start, and right before I actually, right at, right, in summer first started, we'd have freestyle wrestling.

[1163] And during freestyle, you know, for the first month, I would work really hard.

[1164] And then as soon as I was over, I'd have a month and a half to chip before school started.

[1165] So I was like, all right, I get the party, get the drink, have fun with my friends.

[1166] And then as soon as school started, again, wrestling started.

[1167] So I couldn't drink.

[1168] I had to stick to school.

[1169] I had to get a good grade.

[1170] So I would do that.

[1171] So I followed right into college.

[1172] When I got in college, you did the same thing.

[1173] When I got into fighting, I did the same thing.

[1174] As soon as a fight was over, I'd have a party with my friends for the first month.

[1175] And as soon as that month was over, okay, there's my date.

[1176] I'd have a contract signed for another fight, and I started training.

[1177] Did you feel more pressure once you became the champ?

[1178] Yes.

[1179] That's when the walls were closing in.

[1180] That's when all the contenders were running at you.

[1181] I would, I don't know.

[1182] Yeah, yeah.

[1183] It came down with that, but I always wanted to learn.

[1184] I was always going out to learn.

[1185] You know, I'd go out to John Lewis's.

[1186] I'd go out to work with all different guys all the time.

[1187] I want to learn.

[1188] I mean, that's to be one thing I could say to guys who are listening, is don't ever stop learning.

[1189] Don't ever think just because you're with one school that you can't go with other guys to learn.

[1190] Because when your coach says you can't do that, that coach is not right for you.

[1191] You know, because if you're not learning enough in your gym you're only as good as a guys you're with you gotta go out and you learn from other guys it's hard to learn new shit and and try it on fights yes right because you know you're worried about doing something where you're not like you're double you're ground and pound that shit's in your head it's it's cement it's not going anywhere I get a guy against a fence I'm taking them down right but you jump in the arm bar on somebody yeah it's like fuck should I really be doing this am I'm gonna give up one position for another position right now no I probably shouldn't do that But it was just one of those things, you know, I got set in my own ways, you know, I got comfortable.

[1192] You know, the guys I trained with, I would bring guys around me. And, you know, I started team punishment.

[1193] We first started, it was, you know, Rico Rodriguez, Rampage, myself, Liddell, Tiki, Rob, Fabiano Iha, John Lewis.

[1194] I mean, there were so many guys.

[1195] There's a name from the past, Fabiano Iha.

[1196] Fabiano I. Ha, right?

[1197] The guy turned out to be a scumbag, too.

[1198] It was just one of those things, man, that you just kind of look.

[1199] you just try to bring the best guys around you and when I didn't have the best guys around me anymore I was like all right I'll just give the guys that I needed that I thought I needed at the time you know did you run all your camps did you have a head trainer ever did you always always had a head trainer always always had a head trainer a guy who always told us what we needed to do I always did that I mean there was a you know a couple times that I had to do things myself just because my injuries.

[1200] After the Couture fight, there were so many injuries that came back to back to back to back to back that we're always guiding around things to make the right things happen.

[1201] Well, it's also got to be very hard for you to develop any sort of a real relationship with a head trainer because you really were a part of the whole transitionary phase of mixed martial arts even being recognized as a sport.

[1202] I mean, 97 when you first did it I was there, man. We were in the fucking middle of nowhere.

[1203] And it was a weird half -fold gymnasium and And so to get a professional, like, real head coach, like, it's almost like you've got to train them.

[1204] It's like, how many guys were there?

[1205] I mean, there was two really good guys.

[1206] I mean, there was, it was funny because back in the day, there was a kickboxer trainer that I would use, you know, John Spencer.

[1207] There was a ground guy that I would use, John Lober, and I would do the wrestling.

[1208] You know, I mean, I came from college wrestling, so I'm when I wrestling, we just drilled.

[1209] We drill all the time.

[1210] And then as I got a little bit better, or excuse me, was I, right before I fought my world title, I trained with Colin Olayama, who was a kickboxing trainer, and I would have Fabio Nihan with do a jiu -jitsu, RICO Rodriguez, do our jihitsu, rampages and sparring, so we had great sparring, great wrestling, some of the guys in the college and so forth.

[1211] And then about when I fought, who was it, Vitor Belfort, me and Colin didn't get along.

[1212] There was some things back and forth.

[1213] Due to Rampage, Rampage was in his ear saying shit and saying, oh, you could beat Tito.

[1214] And it was never about that.

[1215] Me and Rampage are always good friends.

[1216] And it just got too personal between me and Colin.

[1217] So, Saul Solis came about because of Rico Riders.

[1218] Great trainer.

[1219] He was one of the guys who pretty much invented the MMA training game.

[1220] He was the first guy to do it.

[1221] And the other guys caught onto us when we did the Ultimate Fighter.

[1222] That's when people caught onto it when I can't have him come in.

[1223] and do the ultimate fighter in season three.

[1224] Well, that was a great time for you, too, man, because people really got to see how much attention and how much focus you put on coaching kids.

[1225] This is such a direct contrast.

[1226] My friend Tate was on that season.

[1227] Tate Fletcher, he was, unfortunately, he was on Ken Shamrock's team.

[1228] And he was like, Ken Shamrock, like, barely fucking paid attention to that.

[1229] I mean, I came from a wrestling background.

[1230] I mean, if any collegiate wrestlers are out there, you know, you guys got coaches, wrestling's a family.

[1231] You know, it's a family.

[1232] It's not just about coming in and training.

[1233] It's, you know, you're okay with your girlfriend.

[1234] You know, you're okay with your friends.

[1235] You're okay with your family.

[1236] That was my family.

[1237] My family was wrestling.

[1238] That's what saved me was wrestling, you know.

[1239] Wrestling saves lives.

[1240] So you were bringing everybody together.

[1241] Yeah, everything was always always a family deal.

[1242] You know, and with Saul Salis, like I say, he doesn't get as much credit as he does as he should, I think, because he was one of the first guys to kind of start the MMA training game, I think, behind all of it.

[1243] I mean, when I deal with a fighter, he's seen all the stuff we did.

[1244] He did half the stuff.

[1245] You know, he, I just had the mentality to have the positive outlooks on things I would say to the guys, to get them going, to get them pushing forward to push harder in practice.

[1246] And it wasn't like, you guys better show or you guys are pussies and you guys ain't going to be a part of this.

[1247] And no, it was like, what do we need to do to make you guys better?

[1248] What do we need to do to make this better?

[1249] What can I be on a positive influence to you guys to make you guys love to be here?

[1250] And they did.

[1251] You know, you look at Kendall Grove.

[1252] I get Michael Bisbing, Hamel.

[1253] I mean, these guys, a camel from my team, but they understood it.

[1254] You know, Bisming now, I mean, it's a huge start.

[1255] He understood it.

[1256] I mean, I was a couple of times that pulled Bisbing around.

[1257] I go, be the asshole, dude.

[1258] People hate you.

[1259] They're talking about you, right?

[1260] I think it annoys him, though.

[1261] I mean, it works.

[1262] He's getting paid.

[1263] And people got to understand that.

[1264] You know, I couldn't hear enough for Dan, I said, stop talking about money.

[1265] I'm paying for my family.

[1266] I'm paying for my kids.

[1267] This is a business to me. From day one, this is...

[1268] Dana tells you to stop talking about money?

[1269] Yeah, he always says that.

[1270] He said, he said, you need to talk about money.

[1271] Fans want to hear that.

[1272] And I hear fans saying that, oh, she was talking about fucking money again.

[1273] What do you guys do for a living?

[1274] You know, you guys get in the cage fighting, you guys get in a gym training.

[1275] You guys get away from your family three months at a time.

[1276] If Floyd Mayweather wasn't talking about money, I would think there's something wrong with them.

[1277] Like, check his temperature.

[1278] Yeah, right.

[1279] You might be sick.

[1280] Floyd's a smart cat.

[1281] When you're making $120 million on a fight, you're doing something right there.

[1282] I mean, that's smart business.

[1283] And you look at Delahoya.

[1284] I mean, the guy made almost a billion dollars last year.

[1285] What are these fighters doing different than us, MMA fighters are doing?

[1286] Maybe I think we're kind of being, they're being businessman, and us fighters are just being fighters?

[1287] Or excuse me, those fighters are just being fighters?

[1288] I'm being a businessman.

[1289] I understand it says that.

[1290] Some people, though, can't do that with their personality.

[1291] Their personality lends itself to competing, and that's about it.

[1292] They like to be stone -faced and stoic, pha -or -like, let their work do the talking for them.

[1293] but for folks don't understand if you want to be if you want to get paid attention to look when I go to the expos and you know when you're signing I know that your fucking lines are longer than anybody's man I'm signing for eight hours yeah ridiculous those lines are ridiculous I've watched that man and there's a certain amount of you know entertainment to it there's a showbiz aspect to it people have to appreciate I mean I'm two different people man I think you know I think maybe it's because When I was a kid, I always wanted to be that person who had the money.

[1294] I wanted to be that kid who was accepted in society, I think.

[1295] Right.

[1296] You wanted to feel normal, right?

[1297] I wanted to feel normal.

[1298] And I was always dying for that normalcy.

[1299] And I never had it.

[1300] That's the drive, right?

[1301] And that was the drive.

[1302] And that's what I looked at now.

[1303] And it was just, all the fighters that come up now, guys, please, if you're listening, please, and I can't explain this enough to you guys, this is a business.

[1304] No more than that.

[1305] You come in and you bust your.

[1306] ass and in 15 years if you last that long you'll have a business in front of you that you go able to I made a clothing company I made a nutrition like punishment nutrition I was able to build a gym I was able to not just that but make my name a brand I was thankful for Lorenza Petita Frank Fortita Dana White forgive me the opportunities that I've had through my career to expose the way I have of myself but the way that to that for that to happen was to have a good head my shoulders to never step on anybody to get ahead.

[1307] And I think, you know, God overlooks us.

[1308] You know, like I say, I'm not going to go to church.

[1309] I don't believe.

[1310] I'll worship God.

[1311] You're the best person in the world because of that.

[1312] No. Have open hands and help people around you and be respectful.

[1313] Don't step on people to get ahead.

[1314] And I really think good things will happen.

[1315] And my whole career, I look at it, you know, I could have made a left or I could have made a right and I went the right way and I'm thankful because of it, you know, because I had three choices.

[1316] in life.

[1317] Dead or in prison or where I am right now.

[1318] And I'm pretty, I'm thankful to be where I am right now.

[1319] I'm not a religious person, but I recognize that when a person becomes religious or when a person adopts the ideals of religion, of wanting to do the right thing, like the really simple ideals, wanting to do the right thing, treat your brothers if they were yourself, to go through life with that idea that you are aspiring to the wants and desires of a higher power that's all knowing.

[1320] I'm like, you're going to do better.

[1321] It's like, it's really simple.

[1322] It's not, it's not whether or not you're believing in fairy tales.

[1323] It's the idea that you're aspiring to a higher connection with your brothers and sisters on this planet, with the universe itself.

[1324] And if you can call that God, you can call that anything you want, man, call that anything you want.

[1325] I have that battle a lot of time with people who were like, oh, you don't believe in Jesus.

[1326] I was like, what, some guy who someone talked about?

[1327] Yeah, maybe, who knows?

[1328] You don't know either, bitch.

[1329] They don't know.

[1330] They don't know.

[1331] You don't know.

[1332] If you were born in 1972, you do not know about Jesus.

[1333] Prove that shit.

[1334] All I got to say is, you know, before I go to bed at night and I brush my teeth and I look who's around me, it's myself.

[1335] I look in the mirror and I said, did you do something today to help somebody?

[1336] Most of the days, yes.

[1337] Some of the days, no. Am I going to do something tomorrow to help somebody?

[1338] Yeah.

[1339] I'm going to try.

[1340] And every day I do that, I believe in myself of saying, you're going to be a better person by doing that.

[1341] I don't need to answer somebody else.

[1342] I ain't got to go, God, please help me. Because, I mean, don't get me wrong.

[1343] There's been times that I've been challenged.

[1344] I was like, why are you doing this to me right now?

[1345] You know, there's been times where I'm just like, going, man, the challenge I've been through my relationships, you know, personal stuff.

[1346] You know, why is my parents treat you like this?

[1347] Why?

[1348] And all I kept, the question that comes in my mind is I'm challenging you.

[1349] What type of man are you?

[1350] What type of character do you have that you could prove else through this?

[1351] with every moment of adversity in your life comes an opportunity to grow and learn 100 % and every time I've had I mean two years ago I mean I went to the worst stuff from I ever had my life and just to kind of correct my character it was a factor that I it was a challenge you know it was a true challenge that I look back on I was just like that's a gift for trying to help somebody and I looked and I looked and I always realized that I made myself better I made myself mentally stronger because I went through the things I did well I don't don't know what you're referring to that you went through some personal thing but um yeah i mean it's it's just a part of life it's what i said about it's weird that all the interesting people i know all the fuck childhoods it's like adversity can really make you a more interesting introspective more more well -rounded person they really if you allow it to or if you allow you you just decide that oh life hates me life hates me god's not doing anything for me so i'm just Stop being a fucking pussy You step up and be a man Exactly That sounds like a meathead thing to say But that is reality It's not that I know it's reality Don't be a fucking pussy Don't be a pussy Step up and be a man Step up and make the right choices Make the right choice for yourself Don't do it because someone else told you Don't do it because you're doing it To show someone wrong No do it because you look in the mirror And you're by yourself And you say are you going to do something better today Is this an attitude And is this a philosophy that you've sort of developed Through trial and error through your life when you sort of slowly patched it together and pieced it together 100 % and I think it all becomes down to my children I want to make sure I'm a good dad so you feel like just having these children having these kids that look up to you makes you an even better person makes you aspire to a higher call yeah I think so I it really started was I was an assistant coach at um marina high school in Huntington beach um working with the kids and watch them going coach coach coach coach and it wasn't a factor just telling them how to work hard.

[1352] I would help with their relationships.

[1353] They would ask me, he was like, this girls give you problems, they're done.

[1354] So you felt like you could provide a service that you didn't get when you were a kid?

[1355] 100%.

[1356] Because I went through those same type of trials when I was a kid.

[1357] I always wondered, why?

[1358] Why?

[1359] And I was always the kid asking the questions.

[1360] Why?

[1361] Why?

[1362] I always was challenged by that.

[1363] And I think through my life, I've lived through what people have gone through and have quit and have never made it past.

[1364] And I've made it past because I I believe that I was able to do it.

[1365] I mean, there was times, I mean, don't get me wrong.

[1366] I mean, I'd ask for people for advice.

[1367] I mean, I would ask for strength.

[1368] You know, I'd say, God, please help me through this right now.

[1369] And like I say, I don't go to church, but I, someone has to believe with something a little bit bigger to answer to.

[1370] When you were a kid and you were, when you were a kid and you were an athlete, when you were coming up, was there anyone who you looked up to, anyone who you drew inspiration from, that you looked at their work ethic, like it was a Dan Gable type character?

[1371] I watched Hulk Hogan and Muhammad Ali.

[1372] Hulk Hogan and Muhammad Ali.

[1373] That's a good goddamn combination.

[1374] You see 24 -inch potthons right here.

[1375] I remember Howard Kosell said something to Muhammad Ali, and Muhammad was irritated at him.

[1376] And he goes, you're being very truculent, champ.

[1377] And he goes, whatever trucklet means, if it's good, I'm that.

[1378] Well, I would watch that.

[1379] I mean, this sport is M .M .A. It's so new.

[1380] I mean, there's so much stuff that people haven't touched, you know, Mark on.

[1381] Why can't I do the things that Ali did in boxing in MMA?

[1382] That's my question.

[1383] I always ask myself.

[1384] Why can I do what Hokel we did in Professor Russell?

[1385] As far as showmanship and championship champion style.

[1386] I mean, I won world titles.

[1387] I defend a world titles.

[1388] I made this, or excuse me, I'll retract that.

[1389] I help make this sport what it is today.

[1390] I pushed it to the next level.

[1391] Maybe I said some shit I should have said.

[1392] Do you have any regrets?

[1393] If you look back.

[1394] I have regrets.

[1395] One, and I just think it's just something that I learned, and I think it was the only way I knew at the time was the shit that I said towards Dana.

[1396] I'm a human man. I make mistakes, and I was just to fit up from my family.

[1397] I'd say, man, it's business.

[1398] It was nothing personal towards me. It was nothing personal, and it was never towards the Fratida family.

[1399] I love them.

[1400] I very thank for everything they've been given to me and gave to me what I have.

[1401] It wasn't for them.

[1402] I wouldn't have anything I have right now.

[1403] And Dana was my manager.

[1404] And he taught me to fight for things.

[1405] I remember when I fought for pay -per -view.

[1406] I fought for those things because he told me to fight for those things.

[1407] He's like, Bosca's doing it.

[1408] Why can't you do it?

[1409] We're going to get this from Baum -Myerwitz.

[1410] We're going to do this.

[1411] If he's not going to do it, we'll walk away.

[1412] We'll go to pride.

[1413] I looked at him like, I don't want to go fight Japan.

[1414] I want to stay here in the States.

[1415] He's like, don't worry about it.

[1416] They'll answer.

[1417] We sat for a week and a half.

[1418] Is it weird watching Dana go from being a manager to a promoter?

[1419] Different person.

[1420] Complete opposite role.

[1421] He's different man. Totally different.

[1422] He's not the same person.

[1423] That's not Dana.

[1424] I love him.

[1425] I miss his friendship.

[1426] And, I mean, me and him were boys.

[1427] And I see him change.

[1428] And he's become famous.

[1429] It's crazy.

[1430] Crazy.

[1431] Crazy.

[1432] I can't say nothing about it because he's given.

[1433] so much to me. I've said everything that I wanted to through my career and it was nothing ever towards personal towards him.

[1434] It was always business and it was no more than that.

[1435] I was defending for my family.

[1436] I was defending for as a business.

[1437] Tito Ortiz brand, punishment brand was a business to me and I wasn't going to get walked over on.

[1438] I wasn't get walked over on.

[1439] Well, I don't know the specifics of your dispute.

[1440] How much time we got?

[1441] Let's talk about it.

[1442] I'm joking.

[1443] I'm joking.

[1444] But I've known Dana from the beginning when they first bought the organization.

[1445] He's definitely different.

[1446] You know, he's more confident now.

[1447] He's more successful now.

[1448] But me and him is he, we have a very different relationship.

[1449] When I was growing up, they call that cockiness.

[1450] But you said confidence, I guess I'm out.

[1451] You know, it's also that hubris is how he gets things done.

[1452] I mean, that's why he's so good at what he does.

[1453] I know he does an awesome job with UFC.

[1454] I mean, if wasn't for him, we wouldn't be where we are today, that's for sure.

[1455] He's got a whole lot of doesn't give a fuck.

[1456] I appreciate that.

[1457] Yeah, no, he can fucking cut the drive.

[1458] I appreciate how much the guy works for it.

[1459] And I also appreciate, I like watching people grow.

[1460] I like watching a guy who's not, you can call it cocky, but my relationship with a dude's very different than yours.

[1461] I've never really had a dispute with him.

[1462] Me and him, we always get along great.

[1463] We talk, but I can still see.

[1464] I think you have to have an unflappable belief in yourself to run a company like that.

[1465] And, you know, you could say that's negative all you want, but I think in order to do what he does, you've got to be like that.

[1466] I think he's the perfect guy for the job.

[1467] It's a business.

[1468] Yeah.

[1469] I think along with you, he's one of the more integral reasons why this sport has become when it's become.

[1470] It's a, you've got to have someone who's nuts running the fucking thing.

[1471] You know, it's a crazy sport, man. This ain't a normal sport.

[1472] No. You know, it's nuts.

[1473] I think it should be about the fighters a little more, but that's just my opinion.

[1474] Well, it is an opportunity, and it's an opportunity that you have capitalized on better than most.

[1475] And that opportunity to really, like you said, make a brand, make a name for yourself.

[1476] And fighters, I mean, I can capitalize on it.

[1477] I can't explain this until fighters more enough is do something different that the other fighters are doing.

[1478] When I first started it, I was the first got to make fighter cards.

[1479] All of a sudden, Rampage started doing it.

[1480] I mean, I helped Rambage do it.

[1481] When you say fighter cards is cards with your...

[1482] So you can hand out to people.

[1483] I make 10 ,000 those.

[1484] I'm at my 16th edition of doing them.

[1485] I just didn't...

[1486] I have one more.

[1487] I'm doing my last one.

[1488] My retirement from my last one.

[1489] But I made 10 ,000 of each one.

[1490] and wherever I would go, I'd pass them out.

[1491] I would literally sit there and put them on every single chair in the front row.

[1492] That's fine.

[1493] And it was branding.

[1494] I was, I understood by doing that.

[1495] I mean, there was a part, I think it was five years ago where I got a letter from the U .S. saying, you can't do that anymore, Tito.

[1496] I was like, what do you mean I can't do it anymore?

[1497] He was, you can't do that anymore.

[1498] It's free.

[1499] I was like, but you can't do that anymore.

[1500] You can't promote yourself.

[1501] I was like, okay, I'll keep my mouth on shit then.

[1502] That was just.

[1503] They said you couldn't put cards on chairs?

[1504] What's up with that?

[1505] Because people don't want to sweep up.

[1506] A lot of people throw in those cards.

[1507] I mean, there's popcorn on the floor.

[1508] Come on Joe.

[1509] You know, why didn't you need to put more paper on the ground, Brian?

[1510] People are supposed to put them in their pocket.

[1511] Listen, that's what happens when a business becomes big.

[1512] They all have to start developing corporate rules.

[1513] Yeah, I know.

[1514] But I say, I mean, as fighters, like I say, I want to be an inspiration of fighters, man. And you guys got to promote yourself.

[1515] I mean, the UFC will do their part, yes.

[1516] Do you think that's a big part of your legacy?

[1517] Like, that's one definite thing that you added to the game.

[1518] Yeah.

[1519] Promotion.

[1520] It was about promoting.

[1521] It was old Colgan, dude.

[1522] Yeah.

[1523] I followed his footsteps.

[1524] Well, you were the only guy who was doing it, really.

[1525] There was no one who was doing it like you were doing it.

[1526] Dan Henderson started making fighter cards.

[1527] Randy Gattour started making fighter cards.

[1528] I was making them for him.

[1529] I was getting them done for him.

[1530] That's funny.

[1531] They understand it.

[1532] It was about Ladell had a fighter cards.

[1533] I have fighter cards with me on Chuck Ladell.

[1534] Chuck Ladell's fighter cards.

[1535] And there's fans that came up to me and showed him.

[1536] And you see a little team punishment logo on him.

[1537] That's funny.

[1538] That was funny.

[1539] I was back with me, and Chuck Ledell, we're never friends.

[1540] It's got to be a strange thing for you to have watched going from where you did that first fight in 1997 to, like, you know, seeing Roger worked on a couple of Sports Illustrated and seeing all this.

[1541] It's cool, dude.

[1542] What is it like to watch this all, like, I mean, you literally got on the train at the first stop.

[1543] This last month has been really heart -wrenching for me. It's just one of those things just going, wow, I've helped get this work.

[1544] it is today.

[1545] And it's over.

[1546] But I'm okay with it.

[1547] I'm cool with it.

[1548] You're happy with it.

[1549] You seem like you're happy with it.

[1550] I'm really, really happy.

[1551] And there's people come up to me and like, so when you're coming back, when you fight, I'm like, I'm like, I'm done.

[1552] And it was like, it was funny.

[1553] I was sitting with my therapist.

[1554] And he's like, so fighters, I mean, we just kind of met a couple months ago.

[1555] He's like, so fighters, we know, no boxers after they fight.

[1556] They want to come back and do it.

[1557] I go, no, dude.

[1558] I'm done.

[1559] I'm done.

[1560] I made my money.

[1561] My kids are, their, their futures is done.

[1562] They go to college.

[1563] to any university they want to get their master's.

[1564] I'm done.

[1565] I've done what I wanted to do.

[1566] My clothing company is doing awesome.

[1567] My nutrition, my punishment is doing awesome.

[1568] You know, my gym's starting to grow.

[1569] You know, I'm going to start doing, trying to do some acting.

[1570] I think I use my brain for a lot more than just fighting.

[1571] And I'm sick of all the pressure.

[1572] I'm sick of being expected so much of.

[1573] I've been doing 15.

[1574] When you say the pressure, You mean the psychological pressure of performing getting in there and throwing knowing you're going to get hurt?

[1575] No, not knowing you're going to get hurt, knowing that you've got to not letting my fans down, not letting my family down, not letting my kids down, not letting so many people around me down, you know.

[1576] And people always think about, well, you shouldn't think about losing.

[1577] I don't think about losing.

[1578] Not the fact of losing.

[1579] That goes through my mind.

[1580] Of course, that's just maybe 5 % of a thought.

[1581] No, it's thinking about, what if I get bounced on my head again?

[1582] and I'm paralyzed.

[1583] I had that happen once, 554s, UFC 106, I got bounced my head by Aaron Rosa, and my arms and legs were completely numb for two minutes.

[1584] I was laying in the middle of the cage up in Big Bear for two minutes paralyzed.

[1585] That's some scary shit.

[1586] People don't understand that.

[1587] People don't see that.

[1588] People don't understand that.

[1589] My trainer's want to see that.

[1590] My trainers see that shit.

[1591] The fans don't see that.

[1592] How did you deal with that?

[1593] Well, two minutes later, I got up, Paramedics came.

[1594] I got up and said, we're taking an emergency.

[1595] I'm going, no, no, no, I'm cool.

[1596] I'm good.

[1597] I'm good.

[1598] Test my arms.

[1599] I'm good.

[1600] I'm okay, okay.

[1601] Went laid in bed for, you know, a couple days.

[1602] Woke up that next day, and I just had pains going on my arms, so I went on got injections.

[1603] I got a cortisone injections with my neck.

[1604] They gave me 15 shots.

[1605] So this is the same neck injury that you wound up getting surgery?

[1606] Yeah, that's what it started?

[1607] This was three weeks before USC 106.

[1608] This was when I found out that Brocklister pulled out.

[1609] and I became the main of it.

[1610] So I was a pull -out.

[1611] I had to pay for my family, of course, but at the same time, I didn't want to lay data down because if I would have pulled down, he goes, oh, here's Tito again, fucking pulling out of match.

[1612] He's going to go blast me on fucking the internet, blast me on the media saying Tito's being a pussy again.

[1613] And that's the only thought that's ever came about my fans of having that question is because of him blasting me. And it sucks, man. I just wish it never came about that part.

[1614] But I look at it, I had to get a surgery, you know.

[1615] I thought it would go away after I got my injections.

[1616] It felt better.

[1617] You know, in the third round of that fight, when I fought for the second time, I remember the third round, going, fuck, I ain't got nothing left.

[1618] Don't get knocked down.

[1619] Don't get taken down.

[1620] You got the match one.

[1621] They ended up giving him the match.

[1622] And I remember after he was going, God, I think God, this is over.

[1623] I had a fractious.

[1624] My eyebrow, bone was cracked.

[1625] I was pretty beat up after that fight.

[1626] And I remember three weeks before, a month and a half before that fight even happened, Dana asked if I do the ultimate fighter.

[1627] I said, of course I'll do it.

[1628] No problem at all.

[1629] And the situation came about.

[1630] It was already signed for me to do it.

[1631] And I thought if I took a month off, I came back and shot it in January that I'd be okay.

[1632] I can get through the camp and then I would fight shot.

[1633] I was sparring with the guys I was training with for the ultimate fighter and I got hit with a couple shots.

[1634] And between training, I went home to watch TV, laid down, went to go get up, and I couldn't stand up.

[1635] I was like, what the fuck?

[1636] I started to feel same pain sickness of my stomach called it was a dry hevian.

[1637] One of the doctors said, you got a ruptured disc in C6, C7.

[1638] And I told Dana, I called, told him, and he was like, oh, okay, sure.

[1639] I was like, what do you mean okay, sure?

[1640] I said, dude, they got a ruptured disc on my neck.

[1641] He's like, all right, well, we've got to have the UFC doctors to make sure.

[1642] I go, all right, so kind of question to me. They showed ruptured disc.

[1643] They went in, did surgery.

[1644] Five days before the Ultimate Fighter, Seasoning 11 was over.

[1645] He goes, we've got to let you go.

[1646] I go, what do mean we got to let me go?

[1647] You're not going to be fighting, so we're going to promote the next fight.

[1648] I go, so you're going to fucking fire me on television?

[1649] He goes, yeah, that's the way it's supposed to be.

[1650] He goes, I would do that with anyone.

[1651] I go, dude, that's fucking, are you serious right now?

[1652] He goes, yeah.

[1653] The show, though, is to promote a fight, right?

[1654] That was the idea of it.

[1655] Okay, then here's a question for you.

[1656] Maybe they should work with you?

[1657] Yes.

[1658] Would you be happier?

[1659] I would have been a way happier.

[1660] When Rich came in, you trained along with him?

[1661] 100%.

[1662] Instead of making a limelight of sitting chucked down and fucking saying that Teetot's playing the fight and Chuck getting him.

[1663] Oh, I told you he'd pull out.

[1664] He's a fucking pussy.

[1665] He'd pull out.

[1666] Come on, dude.

[1667] Be real, man. Are you fucking serious?

[1668] And that really pissed me off.

[1669] That was just over the board of doing that.

[1670] Just to destroy my image.

[1671] And that's what they've always tried to do.

[1672] And I took it a heart.

[1673] I'm being real, dude.

[1674] I don't give a fuck what people say.

[1675] When they came about and Dana says that I came out and I was one of the only USC fires should I destroy the company.

[1676] Bullshit.

[1677] I've never been there.

[1678] I've always tried to help this company prevail and get better.

[1679] He's only the type guy that's ever trying to destroy me. And thank God of my fans.

[1680] I thank God I could fucking fight well.

[1681] Thank God I've always spoke on mine.

[1682] The fans that supported me that I was able to become who I am.

[1683] And the only reason that happened was because I worked hard to get where I am.

[1684] And I look at the situation that I've been portrayed and over the last eight years it's been bad.

[1685] But I've been able to to survive and you look at other fighters like Matt Lundland he was a champ people forget about him because he tried to stand up there's other fighters to try to do the same thing as stand up they forgot about well in the defense of the UFC Matt Lillen wore a shirt that was forbidden it was a casino shirt and wore it to a casino right isn't that what happened at a way -ins that's why they banned him I don't you know I don't know I don't want to speak to the specifics of his details well you leave the same situation as Rika Rodriguez and he had fucking power or a station on his back, right?

[1686] Yeah, yeah.

[1687] Rico stayed around.

[1688] But just to kind of go back on the conversation about the ultimate fighter now with Dominic Cruz and...

[1689] You're in favor?

[1690] Mm -hmm.

[1691] Why didn't Dominic Cruz go home?

[1692] Well, you heard himself on the show.

[1693] Okay.

[1694] Why didn't he go home?

[1695] Well, I think it was late in the season, wasn't it?

[1696] Yeah, but mine was five days left.

[1697] I don't know, man. That's got a question on me. I know that you...

[1698] I'm just looking at it.

[1699] So, yeah, no, I'm just looking at some issues.

[1700] Yeah, but I'm just looking at the real, real questions that, you know, the things that were...

[1701] I think it's unfair to bring this up unless he was here as well, you know, because I don't know all the details of it.

[1702] I'm sorry that it happened with you.

[1703] Yeah, it's just, just things that I always think about that just, I think my fans are really bummed about.

[1704] Yeah.

[1705] They have those same questions.

[1706] So you feel like you're just unfairly portrayed as far as, like, your injuries, and they try to make fun of your character or...

[1707] 100%.

[1708] 100%.

[1709] And it was to downplay me. And, you know, like I said, man, that's behind me now.

[1710] But the so things that I still hear all the time for my fans and I still hear from my family.

[1711] And it hurts my feelings.

[1712] And when my kids start talking about it and they get made in front of school for things like that, that's my kids, man. And it's just, that's challenging.

[1713] Well, what do kids say to your kids school?

[1714] Pick on my kid.

[1715] Just saying, oh, your dad's a pussy.

[1716] Whoa.

[1717] Yeah, like gnarly stuff.

[1718] That's hilarious.

[1719] It's hilarious.

[1720] It's hilarious that kids would actually have the balls to say that a former light heavyweight champion of the UFC is somehow a pussy.

[1721] But the ratest thing is the only association that they get that from is from Dana.

[1722] Because my dad, my kids all, he's a champion.

[1723] What are you talking about?

[1724] How can you say that?

[1725] He's all, that's what Dana White says.

[1726] And it's like, this is 10 -year -old kids, man. They're just always trying to talk shit.

[1727] Take their names down, go to the school, and just give them a wink.

[1728] Yeah, no, no, no, no, no. No, the raddest thing is, actually, it's a private school, and I went and talked for a career day at my school, and I kind of told my story about me coming up and everything, how my real name's my real name is Jacob.

[1729] Of course, all listeners, you don't know, my true name, not my true name's Tito, but my real name's Jake, my birth name.

[1730] You have a true and a real name?

[1731] I have a fake name.

[1732] What's your fake name?

[1733] What's your stage name?

[1734] Burbank, bad boy, Brian Redband.

[1735] Yeah.

[1736] That's a quadruple B right there.

[1737] That's a perfect bad boy I water the lawn before seven You don't give a fuck right Yeah, don't give a fuck Dude, you get all kinds of town ordinances and shit But like I say my name's Jacob In the Bible Jacob wrestled against an angel And Jacob lost to the angel And the angel The angel saved his life Well, wrestling saved his life Wrestling saved my life My son's name is Jacob He loves wrestling now He just took second in the state just this year at 10 years old.

[1738] That's pretty awesome.

[1739] I know, that's really awesome.

[1740] I don't know what has to do with some other dude named Jacob that was born a billion years ago.

[1741] Yeah.

[1742] Or not.

[1743] He wrestled against an angel.

[1744] Did he really, though?

[1745] Yes.

[1746] In the Bible read.

[1747] Yeah.

[1748] I don't think it happened.

[1749] You really think he wrestled an angel?

[1750] Of course he did.

[1751] He was probably sleeping.

[1752] He had a crazy fucking dream and he told some people about it.

[1753] He probably ate some mushrooms and, like, smoking some weed, right?

[1754] He's like, dude, I was wrestling a dude with wings.

[1755] It was really fucked up because.

[1756] I just remember that story.

[1757] He's pinning me down with the wings.

[1758] I just, I associate it.

[1759] I mean, like I say, I'm not really a Bible thumping person, but that story just hit me right at home because wrestling saved my life.

[1760] And I made a shirt actually, people go to Punishment .com and says wrestling saved lives.

[1761] Yeah, I've seen that shirt.

[1762] I've seen a lot of people wearing it lately.

[1763] That's one of the cool things about Punishment Athletics.

[1764] You sponsor many fighters.

[1765] Yeah, I sponsor a lot of fighters wearing your shirts.

[1766] I try to give them an opportunity to know that they can make a piece of, other shirts that we make personally for them.

[1767] We give them a big chunk so they could help promote.

[1768] And that's what it comes down to.

[1769] I want to show guys as business -wise to promote what you've got to do to do it.

[1770] People say, oh, I'm just going to wear a shirt and I'm going to sell a bunch.

[1771] No, you've got to get on Twitter, you got to follow, you got to post pictures about it.

[1772] You've got to make the interest for the social media for people to understand who you truly are.

[1773] And I think that's what it really comes down to that I've helped.

[1774] Now, you talked about counseling that you've gone through counseling.

[1775] Did you do any while you're fighting?

[1776] Did you do any sports psychology?

[1777] No. No?

[1778] I tried it when I got married with my next Kristen.

[1779] We were going through relationship counseling and I started to get soft, I think, because I started realizing why I was reacting the way I was.

[1780] You started to get soft?

[1781] I thought, I think it was just myself.

[1782] I started getting to my feeling touch, you know, my...

[1783] You thought it was going to fuck you up as a fighter?

[1784] Yeah, I thought it was.

[1785] I stopped.

[1786] That's hilarious.

[1787] You know, I took yoga when I was young and I stopped taking it because I thought if you were enlightened it would be bad for you as a comedian you wouldn't be as funny because a lot of my fucking comedy was like being mean about people yeah comedy is fucking funny dude I I've never laughed so fucking hard in my life that shit is funny oh thank you funny funny funny I know that that thing like you know for me uh my child who's not nearly as hard as yours uh but I had a bad dad my parents divorced when I was five and my mom remarried my stepdad who was a great guy.

[1788] So from seven on, my childhood was pretty goddamn good, you know, everybody's nice, nobody beat me up, but my father was a terrible person and I have these crazy memories of my dad beating up my mom and I didn't realize until I was a grown man that that was why I was angry all the time.

[1789] I really didn't realize that, you know, a person looks at their father, a child, especially a boy you look to, this is the person has already done it.

[1790] This is my goal.

[1791] You know, I want to be like him.

[1792] This is my superhero.

[1793] When you see a terrible person in place of that, and you just feel like the world fucked you with a shitty deck of cards.

[1794] You're going to repay the world back by being that same fucking person.

[1795] Somehow or another.

[1796] I'm very thankful that my dad was actually good until I was about six because I remember the loving feeling of my father.

[1797] But then the abstinence after I was six, of my mother and my father um and i i'm like i said i talk to my therapist and that's why i've always looking for a mother figure around me i know my girlfriend christen i mean i i started dating her to my second year i was my first year at high school and uh i was waiting the whole time you know i mean it was just me and i was always looking for that mother figure you know what i mean and jennon together she's perfect for me i mean We don't have the same associations in life coming up business -wise are, you know, we're never supposed to be successful.

[1798] We didn't have loving parents and da -da -da, but we still are missing that same type of role models in our life.

[1799] You know, her mother died at the age of three.

[1800] Her father's never around.

[1801] So I think we just kind of work hard to be the best parents that we possibly can be.

[1802] And I think work on each other and making that happen is what it comes down to, I think, you know, learning from it well you know also learning from how about you talking about it man you know this shit wasn't available when your parents were coming up nor when my parents were coming up we didn't have anybody sitting around talking real about relationships or real about being raised by cunts dude seriously i mean and i mean any people who are parents now who have fucked up parents make a difference yeah don't keep that cycle going fuck the cycle fuck the cycle fuck the cycle No. You can grow and learn.

[1803] Grow and learn and read.

[1804] And move on.

[1805] Find someone else who has a great family and try to be something like that.

[1806] Well, this conversation alone, I'm sure.

[1807] Look, this podcast gets heard by a lot of people over the world.

[1808] I guarantee you it's going to speak to a lot of people.

[1809] I hope so.

[1810] And like I said, I can't rehearse this over and over and over and over again is be truthful to yourself.

[1811] And don't step on people to get ahead.

[1812] And I'm telling you good things happen for that.

[1813] Good things happen.

[1814] And you've got to embrace the losses.

[1815] You've got to embrace the losses that life hands you because you're not perfect.

[1816] No one is.

[1817] You're not born perfect.

[1818] You've got to embrace the losses as far as the relationships.

[1819] You've got to embrace them in your social life as well as embrace them in your business life.

[1820] You've got to learn.

[1821] And the only way to learn is to try and fail.

[1822] It's the only way.

[1823] That's the only way to do it, man. Just keep getting up, keep moving forward, learn, grow, continue to analyze yourself, right?

[1824] I mean, it's a learning process.

[1825] I mean, like say, every day, you know, test yourself.

[1826] But what's beautiful in this day and age, what's beautiful in this era of endless information is that kids are listening right now, people who you can influence, and I guarantee you, they're going to get something out of this.

[1827] I guarantee you.

[1828] Even parents, you're going to get a direction.

[1829] Even parents.

[1830] Even parents.

[1831] Even old people, man. No one's too old to learn.

[1832] When I did The Apprentice, I had a whole different demographic when I did that show.

[1833] I was like, holy shit.

[1834] I walked in the airport, and there's like 80 -year -old.

[1835] old ladies coming to but hi Tito how are you I watch you're such a nice guy I started watching the ultimate and you're a different person why that's my fight game he's like but you're still a really nice guy thank you who were you on the celebrity apprentice with Lennox Lewis who wanted that y 'all Pierce Morgan wanted that year Lennox Lewis what was he like he's a cool cat he's a bad motherfucker yeah he's a bad motherfucker He's laid back.

[1836] Cool.

[1837] Nice guy.

[1838] I went out part of a couple times.

[1839] Really?

[1840] He's a cool dude.

[1841] Really, really, really, really cool guy.

[1842] Chess playing bad motherfucker.

[1843] He's calm.

[1844] He's calm.

[1845] Collective.

[1846] He's just like cool.

[1847] Yeah.

[1848] He's just, he's cool, man. You know what I really loved about Lennox Lewis, man?

[1849] He had some fucking bad losses.

[1850] Like, Hassee Rockman knocked him out.

[1851] Like, he got, and he came back.

[1852] He'd come back.

[1853] Yeah, I mean, he was a real human dude.

[1854] He wasn't a, like, when Tyson was the king, it was like, it was Tyson the Destroyer, and then it all fell apart.

[1855] But with Lennox Lewis is like, you know, he stumbled and got back up.

[1856] Stumbled, Vladimir Klitschko was another one.

[1857] Got stopped a bunch of times.

[1858] Corey Sanders knocked him out.

[1859] You know, it looked like he was losing it.

[1860] It looked like Vladimir was never going to be the dominant guy that he is today.

[1861] I love even an over -room store.

[1862] I love a guy who moves forward.

[1863] There's Tito and the Celebrity Apprentice.

[1864] What is that like?

[1865] It was a lot of work, man. That was me walking out.

[1866] And let me tell you, after eight straight weeks, I was like, thank God I'm going home right now.

[1867] Because I had an opportunity to sell out and step over Amarosa and call her out and just make it look like shit.

[1868] And I didn't.

[1869] I was straight up, dude.

[1870] You know, I think Trump's seen that.

[1871] Trump goes, you know what to him?

[1872] You're an awesome guy.

[1873] You got some great things ahead of you.

[1874] Because you didn't call it Amarosa?

[1875] Yeah.

[1876] If you were really, if you wanted to serve the public, you should call around.

[1877] You should choked her out.

[1878] Yeah, I know, but we had her on Fear Factor, that bitch is crazy.

[1879] Yeah, no, she was, she's a cool, she's a cool, she's, she's actually a cool lady, dude.

[1880] She's actually was a cool lady, but when the cameras came on, she was, yeah, she's hustling.

[1881] Yeah, she was hustling.

[1882] Yeah, she was hustling for sure.

[1883] Did Steve Baldwin try to sell you on Jesus for about a half a second?

[1884] But not really, no, he's a cool dude, and then he realized that I was with Jenna and he was like, okay.

[1885] Who was that pretty girl?

[1886] the blonde oh that's uh daughter that's his daughter yeah she's a really cool girl really really nice girl she seems really really cool that would be a great person a date trump's daughter yeah no she's very now and who are all the other people though who's that um she's a model super model um that was some guy from oh pierce morgue was on the show he wanted he wanted that did he really yeah no he was a cool cat is he cool guy yeah he's a pretty cool cat he's smart he's very very crafty you did for sure yeah he's like the anti larry king It's like completely, like he really is paying attention.

[1887] Yeah, no, he's asking questions and really paying attention.

[1888] No, he's a smart guy, dude.

[1889] I'm serious, he's crafty.

[1890] He comes with some, he has some great ideas as we're, when he was a project manager or whatever.

[1891] But he was a really good, dude.

[1892] He has some good connections.

[1893] He has some really great donations.

[1894] But to me, being on that show was put a lot on the MMA, of course, but for charity.

[1895] My charity was seeing Jews Children's Hospital.

[1896] I raised over, I think it was $90 ,000.

[1897] just from the show but then $100 ,000 were donated to the St. Jude's Hospital under my name so I mean raising that much money for St. Jude's, that was my biggest thing.

[1898] Help kids man, I want to help us.

[1899] That's awesome, man. I think this podcast is going to help a lot of people, man. I think it's a good example.

[1900] Just people understand where I come from, you know, and I think people get so associated automatically with the ultimate fighting Well, it's so easy to point too.

[1901] It's so easy to point.

[1902] Fuck this guy.

[1903] This guy sucks.

[1904] This guy sucks.

[1905] Fuck this guy.

[1906] It's so easy for people to do that.

[1907] People don't understand until they get in the cage and they fight.

[1908] When they get in the gym and they lift weights and like, oh, I'm sore right now.

[1909] Man. You don't even know what sore is, bitch.

[1910] I don't even know what sore is.

[1911] Oh, I fucking, I ran three miles a day.

[1912] I'm sorry.

[1913] You don't even know what sore is.

[1914] Well, not only you, you came along in a time where the ultimate, you know, fighter didn't exist or, you know, the ultimate fighting in MMA It was in its, like, really, it's infancy when you came along, but you also came along in an age where the Internet was at its infancy.

[1915] So it was the first time where athletes could get shit on every day by a million YouTube people and Twitter people.

[1916] And that's another thing, too, like I said, the fighters who are listening, is don't listen to fans.

[1917] Don't listen to them, tell you, man, because it got to me. I got to a point where I was like, you know what?

[1918] And I have.

[1919] I block people like no other.

[1920] No negative stuff Since the beta fight I have no more negative stuff I don't battle back and forth people I don't call people out I don't say shit It's not worth it I just block them No reading them Let's just block them Fuck the negative All about positive baby That's what I'm talking about And I live my life since like that And life has been so much better Because when you involve yourself Into a positive environment It just spawns more Positive positivity And it sounds kind of hippie but it's true it's true yeah it is if you involve yourself enough in negative energy negative's going to come about you and everything around you can see it goes god man this stuff won't stop leaving me alone it's like stop dwelling on it yeah you know and i was right before the beta fight it was funny because everyone dain everyone it was just talking shit and just you're done and da -da -da -da i just you know what i'm believing myself i remember just think of myself I'm going to believe myself And no more fans Can't talk I can't listen to them I just say you know what I watch this beta fight I remember doing an interview I'm going to the guy So what are you going to do after this fight since your career is going to be done I looked down and I go When I win you'll see I go what I go watch When I win you'll see It was actually a showdown Joe from Canada I go when I win you'll see And no one understood it I go just watch Watch when I win How annoying is it talking to reporters that are telling you You're going to lose ignorance is bliss it's so stupid first of all like people always say you know what's going to happen in this fight I always say I don't know that's why they got a fight the only reason to watch is because you don't know you don't know what the fuck is going to happen and that's one thing about UFC and I think that's why Dana and Joseph do such a great job it's not like boxing fighters aren't built you don't see a UFC guy built no way boxers are built to be 28 No. When you say built for the uninitiated, what you were saying is set up with easy fights.

[1921] Set up with easy fights.

[1922] So they're slowly tested.

[1923] To they're slowly tested.

[1924] And then they're 28 and now and they're built to become world champions.

[1925] And they're built in their last.

[1926] Or at least to have a good financial run at the title.

[1927] A highly respected, well -ranked contender.

[1928] Exactly.

[1929] And it's smart.

[1930] That's smart business.

[1931] If there's two situations, you can have a WWW.

[1932] or you can have a professional wrestling.

[1933] Right.

[1934] Or, excuse me, professional boxing.

[1935] As in WWE, they're watching guys in and out so fast that you don't really get a chance to catch on.

[1936] Well, it's not real, though.

[1937] It's not fighting.

[1938] But still, it's making money.

[1939] Uh -huh.

[1940] Okay, I see what you're saying.

[1941] Okay, so they're having guys that are getting put in every single week of all different guys.

[1942] So you're not building one single person.

[1943] Now, as in boxing, how you have guys like Delahoya, guys have, like, Ali, And they were built coming up.

[1944] You know, Delaware had some easy fights his first six, seven, eight fights, ten fights, 15 fights.

[1945] Then all of a sudden when he's 20 and O, then now he starts fighting guys who at the tail end of their career, now he's knocking guys out.

[1946] And holy shit.

[1947] Well, also, I think you have to take into account that boxing has been around for so long.

[1948] They really have their situation down as far as, like, how to develop a fighter correctly.

[1949] Yeah.

[1950] If you wanted to look at it from the point of view of the fighter, that's the way to do it.

[1951] it.

[1952] I mean, the way to do it is to be tested slowly where, you know, or, you know, there's this fucking John Jones type dudes that just jump into the deep end of the pool after three years in and dominate.

[1953] There's exceptions for guys like that.

[1954] Guys like John Jones is just a tremendous athlete.

[1955] That guy, respect for that guy.

[1956] I like no other.

[1957] He's amazing.

[1958] I watch that kid and I'm just like.

[1959] Is it weird seeing like the next level coming up?

[1960] Like seeing the Roy McDonald's.

[1961] It's crazy.

[1962] It's cool.

[1963] It's good to see it.

[1964] It's wild.

[1965] It's cool because you can gather the would Donald come up to me. You're like, I've been like six years old.

[1966] I'm like, fuck.

[1967] I'm really that old.

[1968] Mike McDonald.

[1969] I think he's only 21.

[1970] Yeah.

[1971] And it's crazy.

[1972] He's like kids come to my gym at Punishment Train Center Huntington Beach and they, they're 10 year old kids who do kickboxing, jit -su and they're doing MMA classes now.

[1973] I'm just like, are you joking me?

[1974] And parents are calling.

[1975] I was like, yes, do you do UFC at your gym?

[1976] I'm like, excuse me?

[1977] Do you do the UFC fighting style at your gym?

[1978] I'm not, M .M .A. Mix martial arts.

[1979] Yes, do you do that?

[1980] Yes, we do.

[1981] We're bringing our kid down.

[1982] It's like, I mean, I teach classes on Tuesdays and Thursdays.

[1983] And it's crazy, dude.

[1984] The kids is like, you know.

[1985] You teach kids classes?

[1986] I teach kids classes.

[1987] Oh, that's badass.

[1988] So it's in Huntington Beach.

[1989] Where at?

[1990] How can they find it?

[1991] What is the website?

[1992] It's actually Punishment Training Center .com.

[1993] Punishment training center .com.

[1994] So that is also one of the fucking cool things about the sport is that you can go and take classes.

[1995] Your kid can from a former world champion.

[1996] That's amazing.

[1997] To me, it's just, like I say, I've always wanted to be a coach.

[1998] I love it.

[1999] I dig it.

[2000] I love seeing a kid progress.

[2001] You know, I remember when I first started at Marina High School.

[2002] We were last in the league.

[2003] I was there for two years, and when I left, we're a second in the league.

[2004] And just to watch a kid progress and just seeing his attitude and just how they respond to things.

[2005] And from the negative to the positive and just being an involvement around them, they're just like, wow.

[2006] It's crazy.

[2007] Can you imagine if you were a young boxing?

[2008] there you can see it out there.

[2009] Oh, beautiful.

[2010] And I painted myself.

[2011] Oh, that's a nice -ass place, man. No, I painted myself.

[2012] You painted that place?

[2013] The floor, see the red floor on the left.

[2014] All the red flooring.

[2015] I did all the red, and that's carpet on the right.

[2016] Holy shit, that place is fucking huge.

[2017] How many square feet is that?

[2018] It's actually 10 ,000 square feet.

[2019] If that's what she said, she's talking about her pussy, because I said that place is fucking huge.

[2020] It doesn't even make sense.

[2021] That was huge.

[2022] No, I said that place is fucking huge.

[2023] Almost works.

[2024] Almost works.

[2025] That's a massive fucking gym, man. Yeah, no, but the color.

[2026] It was red, black and white.

[2027] I really just kind of, I put my heart into it, man. What I want for training and get the next level of fighters, of course.

[2028] You know, we do girls kickboxing there also.

[2029] We do kids wrestling, kids jiu -jitsu.

[2030] And you've only been open for about two years now?

[2031] No, one year.

[2032] One year?

[2033] One year now.

[2034] Wow.

[2035] And we're still building, man. It's a class that I've really, our school that I've really just tried it to give for, you know, the youth.

[2036] Look at that.

[2037] Jiu -Jitsu, kids, Moy Thai adults, kids wrestling.

[2038] That's fucking awesome, man. And it's the women come in, they dig it.

[2039] The women come in and they do kickboxing.

[2040] It's like, all of a sudden, the girls now, it's a rad thing.

[2041] The girls are coming in and I want to do a MMA fight.

[2042] And it's like, you're a girl.

[2043] Like, no, but I want to do an MMA fight.

[2044] I'm going to be like Ronnie Rosie.

[2045] It's crazy.

[2046] It's like, cool.

[2047] It's like.

[2048] Well, you stuck to Huntington Beach, huh?

[2049] Yeah, I ain't going.

[2050] You got to understand.

[2051] When I lived in Huntington, from the age of 7 to 13, I moved to San Ana.

[2052] That was my parents had the drug problem.

[2053] I moved to San Anna.

[2054] And then I actually, when I was 13, my mother separated with my father, and she got remarried and moved me back to Huntington.

[2055] And all the time I grew up, all the kids lived in the harbor, Huntington Harbor, and all the rich Prissy kids.

[2056] And I remember fishing one of the docks back there.

[2057] And I was like, one day guys I was fishing with, my friend Dave Cottle, who's a friend of mine, I go, one day I'm going to buy a house here.

[2058] I look through, he goes, shut the fuck up.

[2059] Just whatever.

[2060] I go, dude, I'm serious.

[2061] One day I'm going to buy a house here.

[2062] Well, we shot that one, Bad Blood DVD, B and Chuck.

[2063] They shot it, and I told that story, and he was with me on the boat.

[2064] And the week prior to that, I took all my boat to ruin fish.

[2065] He was, God, do you remember that one time that we're sitting in the fucking doctor fish for bat rays?

[2066] You told me you're going to get a house here?

[2067] Yeah, I thought I never forgot that.

[2068] He goes, dude, that is crazy shit.

[2069] But it's just one of those things.

[2070] And I'm not leaving Huntington.

[2071] I live in the harbor.

[2072] I want a fishing boat.

[2073] now my kids are the rich little prissy kids but he's not the prissy kids they're the rich little rich kid but it's just an opportunity you know i'm changing the cycle and i look at it's i worked hard to get wearing him today you know what's so great about huntington beach um no crime really yeah crime is very very like i think it was 93 or no 94 to 97 is the safest world in the united States.

[2074] Safest part of the United States?

[2075] Safe as city in the United States.

[2076] Really?

[2077] Yes.

[2078] And but the HPPD does an awesome job down there.

[2079] And the city are the little town I live in, or not town, a little area that I live in.

[2080] It's really nice.

[2081] No gangs at all.

[2082] No gangs there at all.

[2083] Crime is pretty much nil.

[2084] There's downtown kids get a little crazy, but like I say HPPD does an amazing job down.

[2085] making sure is very safe so to you it's also like sort of a sentimental thing because that represented the good times in your life when you were younger and now you're back there yeah and you know um you know i have h and a bee behind my arms i know it's the only tattoos i've ever had and uh forever you had that shit back in the day when i first met you when i was 18 i got it was the first tattoos ever got wow i like to beach represent yeah it's forever you know i look at it and i don't forget where i came from you know i remember when i first became the world champion and I was in Vegas and I was partying.

[2086] I was actually at Cheetah as a strip club and I seen Diamond Dollar's page there.

[2087] This one he was in WWU and I was like, I want to get in WWU one day.

[2088] And he's like, let me tell you one thing, son.

[2089] You're the champion right now, right?

[2090] I go, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[2091] He goes, I give you one word of advice.

[2092] No matter how famous you ever get, don't ever forget where you came from.

[2093] He goes, you'll be more successful.

[2094] You never forget where you came from.

[2095] And I always kept, I mean, shit, this is 14 years ago.

[2096] So because of one conversation with Dallas Diamond Page, you have repped Huntington Beach, hard since then.

[2097] No, I've repped it no matter what.

[2098] I just never forgot where I came from.

[2099] I just always been an idea in my head is no matter how famous you get and how much, never, never, no matter how much money you make, don't ever forget where you came from.

[2100] Because there's guys that will make millions and they'll bounce and say, fucking, I don't, I forget that neighborhood.

[2101] I don't need that anymore.

[2102] That's me. I'm the first out.

[2103] As soon as I get some money, fuck you.

[2104] No, I bet there's, don't get me wrong.

[2105] There's places that I would say grab your stuff and get the fuck out of there because there is some towns, you know, I mean, in Detroit, I mean, there's San An.

[2106] I mean, there's places in the United States that's really hard.

[2107] And I advise for, as parents, to get your kids out of as soon as possible.

[2108] If you get that opportunity, please do.

[2109] I like moving, man. I think it's good.

[2110] I wish I didn't have so many good friends in L .A. I'd like to live in a bunch of different places all over the country When the weather's 7 degrees you're around There's no crime There's a beach And I could drive an hour and a half I go to the snow You also drive five hours To get to L .A. The fucking Huntington Beach traffic is brutal, isn't it?

[2111] No, from 4 until 7 Yeah Yeah But thank God I started driving a period of 330 Because I missed all of it You know, it took me an hour Yeah Listen man, thank you very much for doing this A lot of fun talking to you Anything else you want to say to these people You know, I just, you know, I just really appreciate all my fans through my career, you know.

[2112] I appreciate you doing what you've done.

[2113] You know, this is, I think the fans are very appreciative for having me on here.

[2114] I am, of course, you know, and thank for Lorenzo Fretita, Dana White, Frank Furtita for saving the UFC and give me an opportunity to give my family what I've always wanted.

[2115] That's just being a loving father and to give them things that I'd never had as a kid, and that's love and well.

[2116] Tito Ortiz, bitches.

[2117] Congratulations.

[2118] on a fantastic career and good luck in the future and I know whatever energy that you put into becoming a champion you put into anything else you choose to focus on you're still a young man man you're crazy you got a crazy opportunity you got a whole new life now yeah a whole new life and I'm excited people say retirement it's not retirement I'm just graduating from fighting I'm going on yeah but when they retire they're old men you're a young dude with some fucking crazy parts some bionic parts yeah no I got some good stuff coming up I got some some shows I'm doing working on now with the possibility with NBC so good well keep us posted man And if you ever needed anything promoted, come on back, man. And let me know.

[2119] We'll blow it up on Twitter.

[2120] Before the year's over, for sure, I'm going to do that.

[2121] Okay.

[2122] And Huntington Beach Training Center?

[2123] Punishment Athletics.

[2124] Punishment Training Center.

[2125] Punishment Training Center.

[2126] Yes.

[2127] And then Punishment Athletics, of course, my clothing company.

[2128] Of course, Punishment Nutrition.

[2129] Ladies and gentlemen, if you want to get some fucking classes from Tito Ortiz himself.

[2130] Yes.

[2131] What days?

[2132] What days are you teaching them?

[2133] Tuesday, Thursday, Thursdays.

[2134] Tuesdays and Thursdays.

[2135] Yeah, Tuesdays and Thursdays.

[2136] Go on down.

[2137] Check it out, bitches.

[2138] and thanks to Onit .com for sponsors.

[2139] Thanks to Alienware MMA too because Alienware, we've been using these computers here for a couple months now.

[2140] They hooked us up with them and we're supporting them because they support fighters.

[2141] What's up, Alienware?

[2142] I need some stuff.

[2143] Hook Tito Ortiz up, bitches.

[2144] But Alienware sponsors a lot of up -and -coming fighters and so we support them.

[2145] If you follow them on Twitter, it's Alienware MMA on Twitter.

[2146] Just show them some love, ladies and gentlemen.

[2147] I'm doing this right now.

[2148] Let's do this.

[2149] Let's do it.

[2150] All right.

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[2152] It should be a lot of fucking fun.

[2153] We have a Death Squad show tomorrow.

[2154] Joe Rogan, Don Marrera, we got a possible Doug Benson, Brody Stevens, Ian Edwards, Christina Pizzyzky, and a possible Tom Segura.

[2155] Oh, that's a beautiful lineup.

[2156] Ian Edwards, if you've never seen him before, is fucking hilarious.

[2157] And, of course, Don Marrera, all -time great.

[2158] So we'll see you dirty bitches on Wednesday.

[2159] That's even before this the next podcast.

[2160] So tomorrow.

[2161] Yeah, tomorrow at the Ice House.

[2162] There's some tickets still available.

[2163] We just announced it today.

[2164] Go to Ice Housecom and get your tickets you dirty freaks and the Ice House Chronicles podcast that we air simultaneously.

[2165] How revolutionary is this, ladies and gentlemen?

[2166] We have a fucking podcast that we do while we're doing a comedy show.

[2167] The green room of stand -up comedians, or stand -up comedy clubs rather, has always been the most fun for stand -up comedians.

[2168] It's a place where we fuck around before we go on stage.

[2169] Everybody's laughing and joking around and what we decided to do was turn that into a podcast.

[2170] So it's called the Ice House Chronicles and it's only available through the Death Squad label on iTunes.

[2171] So go check that out and support Desquad .tv dirty bitches.

[2172] All right, we'll see you soon.

[2173] See you tomorrow.

[2174] Ice South Chronicles.

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