#771 - Eddie Bravo

[0] It's just a perfect situation.

[1] And we're live.

[2] Yeah, and what?

[3] And it's a UFC.

[4] Yeah, yeah.

[5] We're talking about UFC, a fight companion podcast.

[6] They're so ridiculously fun.

[7] They're more fun than doing it live.

[8] Yeah.

[9] And what I was saying is what makes him super crazy special for me. I look forward to him so much is it's not just the best possible podcast situation, the most fun, the funest shit.

[10] We could talk about anything.

[11] We could talk about gay shit.

[12] It doesn't matter.

[13] It doesn't matter.

[14] We could do anything.

[15] We could talk about sucking dick.

[16] We could talk about that.

[17] And we can get away with it.

[18] And people starting to get sick of it, though, so we should probably pull it back.

[19] I don't.

[20] Give them more, Dick.

[21] Give them more.

[22] I don't give a fuck.

[23] People are getting pissed.

[24] Listen, some people are getting pissed.

[25] Those people you can't worry about.

[26] But the coolest thing, well, not the coolest thing, but it makes it extra cool.

[27] It's the best possible podcast situation, period.

[28] Yeah.

[29] And there's a UFC going on at the same fucking time.

[30] And we're all having fun.

[31] It's overload.

[32] It's like, you can't.

[33] take it it's like you we're doing a podcast the funnest shit ever while the greatest show that's ever been invented is on at the same time it's a combination of those things and if the fight gets boring if like for whatever reason it's stagnant we just start talking about fucking owls you ever seen an owl's dick but if people get upset about us talking about dicks look that's just where the conversation goes sometimes don't worry about that we're trying the best we can to be entertaining that's all we're trying it's there's going to be some slip -up If you feel like we're getting too much dick in there, you're allowed to express yourself.

[34] We might have a pretty strong gay following now.

[35] I hope we do.

[36] I hope we do.

[37] We probably do.

[38] We're making them feel comfortable.

[39] I hope they do feel comfortable.

[40] I'm just keeping it real.

[41] I see a guy like Alan Gibbonne.

[42] I just keep it real.

[43] He's a beautiful man. But even more important, though, who gives a fuck?

[44] You know, this is the thing that it's even remotely controversial that we would have a gay following.

[45] We'd probably have a following of Irish people too.

[46] You know what I mean?

[47] Who cares?

[48] Who gets a fuck?

[49] Speaking of the Irish.

[50] Speaking of Irish.

[51] I've got them right here.

[52] Oh, man. Hey, listen, man, this guy has balls.

[53] This is why I respect the fuck out of Connor McGregor, not just because he's an awesome fighter.

[54] And yeah, he lost an Atea's who's also an awesome fighter.

[55] But who the fuck will fight anybody?

[56] Who will just jump up in late class?

[57] The last guy was BJ.

[58] The last, BJ tried it.

[59] Yeah.

[60] And you know what?

[61] Even though BJ didn't, he had success once, at least at 170, he beat Matt Hughes.

[62] But at the end of the day, there's a really good reason why all elite boxers, wrestlers, fighters, weight cutting is so massively important to virtually everybody.

[63] There are some crazy people out there like Anthony Johnson.

[64] That's the exception.

[65] But generally, there's a really good reason most people are torturing themselves to get as light as possible.

[66] Because at the elite level, five pounds makes a big fucking difference.

[67] It makes a big difference.

[68] Just five pounds.

[69] And then 10 pounds?

[70] 10 pound different, elite level.

[71] Man, even the best guys aren't going up and weight.

[72] Look at Hoffa Mendez.

[73] No doubt.

[74] Probably pound for pound the best guy in Jiu -Jitsu.

[75] Probably him and Marcelo, Jean -Jacques, they're all up there.

[76] Bam, pound for pound.

[77] There's so many good guys now.

[78] Jesus, it's incredible now.

[79] You know what I mean?

[80] You know, even Marcelo.

[81] No one's trying to go up in weight.

[82] No one's trying to go.

[83] Let me, this year I'm going to try the weight category above me. No, everybody's on the crazy.

[84] died they need three months they get serious about it they're on Instagram posting their fucking broccoli every day and fucking selfies of their of their abs and shit you know they're killing themselves because not because it feels good it feels like shit they all love eating it's so important so everybody knows you just can't go up and goddamn wait BJ was BJ was the one that said fuck it he went up to light heavy weight and shit Fyoto Machita BJ is 5 foot 8 No, it wasn't even light heavyweight Bro, it was heavyweight Because Leota Machita was like 208 Okay I think that fight was like Technically a heavyweight fight Find that out But you know what if it's that close His BJ Pen I'm pretty sure that's out of shape machita You know what I mean?

[85] It was fat for sure That's out of shape Did you ever see when he used to fight Like kickbox and karate Yeah he was kind of chubby He was fat His first UFC fight Yeah that's not his real weight His real weight is 205 -184 So, but BJ did it and I always admired him.

[86] To me, to me, I looked, I'll always look at BJ as a living legend.

[87] Yeah, the guy didn't, he's not undefeated and he got his ass beat a few times.

[88] Who gives a fuck?

[89] Look what BJ did.

[90] He had the balls to step up and really he was a 45 or just like Connor.

[91] There's no reason.

[92] The whole time he was a four, and jujitsu, he was a 45er.

[93] He was always a 45 for fighting at 55, fought at 170, nobody else was.

[94] doing it and you know Connor here he comes Connor this guy he has so much power in his hands he had that courage to think he could finish what BJ started you know let me go up there and do that do what BJ did but you know he felt like he could fucking knock anybody out he really really believed he could fucking he if he lands you're going down and you know what he was doing great against Nate Diaz I this is my this is my this is my this is how I I'm at, I'm at this party, Slamy's house, and I didn't realize we were behind by a minute and a half.

[95] I thought we were live.

[96] I thought we were live, but we were behind by a minute and a half.

[97] Everyone's going nuts.

[98] I'm watching, going, oh, shit, Lizzie Borden is sitting next to me. My childhood idol, he's one of my greatest favorite lead singers of all time.

[99] He's sitting next to him and we're watching it.

[100] Everyone's going nuts.

[101] It looks like Connors.

[102] To me, I was like, Connor's going to win this thing, man. He was lightened, Nate up, cutting them all up.

[103] He was connecting.

[104] He looked really confident.

[105] Like, Conner looked on that whole first round.

[106] I was going, it was over in the first or second.

[107] Second.

[108] It was a second.

[109] So in that round, I get a call from Joey.

[110] Joey's like, oh, you know how much I won.

[111] You know how much I told you.

[112] I told you you, you never bet against Diaz.

[113] I go, what are you talking about?

[114] I thought I was watching.

[115] Are you talking about the Misha fight?

[116] He goes, no, motherfucker He got choked I go, who got choked?

[117] I'm holding the Haldi home got choked out I'm watching the Daytonias No, motherfucker What fight are you watching right now?

[118] I go, I'm watching the Connor fight As it's going on He goes, he choked him fucking out I'm like, dude, fuck And he goes, bye, boom He realized he fucked up And I'm like, and I knew that Diaz was going to win A minute before it happened?

[119] Did you pause it to pee or something?

[120] We were at a party And it was just behind Someone Rewan shit You know when you rewind shit You want to see something again, and you didn't fast forward it.

[121] So we thought it was live.

[122] So Joey called me hysterical, and he gave it away.

[123] And then once he realized he gave it away, he hung up and goes, oh, shit, bye.

[124] And I said, oh, shit, bye, you just fucked up the greatest fight ever.

[125] But the fight was so crazy and so fucking insane that even though I knew, even though I knew, I go, okay, somehow Nate is going to take him down and choke him out.

[126] but it doesn't look good right here.

[127] I'm like, how is he going to take Connor down?

[128] That's not going to be easy.

[129] Fuck, he's going to pull this off.

[130] How is he going to do it?

[131] I had no idea that Nate hurts Connor.

[132] Connor takes him down.

[133] You know, that's how it went down.

[134] The place I was at was going fucking nuts.

[135] Everybody was screaming at the top of their fucking lungs.

[136] Everyone was, ah!

[137] And then when he choked him out, dude, I'd never been in a party where everyone was going so good.

[138] crazy before, dude, everybody was losing their fucking mind.

[139] I was, too.

[140] Should have been at the UFC.

[141] Holy shit balls.

[142] Everybody was going crazy.

[143] Oh, my God.

[144] Jumped up and screamed.

[145] I never screamed so loud in my motherfucking life at any fight ever.

[146] Dude.

[147] That was fucking shocking.

[148] It was insane.

[149] It looked like Connor just had his hands down and goes, I got this motherfucker.

[150] He was Landon.

[151] He was tagging him.

[152] It looked like you heard him a couple times.

[153] He definitely tagged him a few times.

[154] You know what I mean?

[155] He was, I thought it was, it was over for Nate.

[156] I really did.

[157] And when he turned it around and the way it finished and, and when he put that fucking rear naked choke in, he put that motherfucker in like a super ninja.

[158] The way, first of all, the way he mounted.

[159] If you don't do jiu -jitsu, you would never know the way he fucking mounted.

[160] And his balance, you could see the balance, you could see the beauty in that mound.

[161] And the way he was riding him like a professional fucking, a champion rodeo fucking rider all his balance is all beautiful and then when he took his back the way he put that fucking hook in it was so efficient there wasn't no hiccup where he hit the you know this jaw and then he had to set up and then he had to feel it just went it was fucking insanity it was so perfect and so fucking like that technique was about as flawless and as beautiful little as you can get.

[162] Yeah, that was two big points was that we had never seen Connor face adversity and we had never seen him on the ground with a real Brazilian jiu -jitsu black belt like Nate.

[163] Nate's got a nasty ground game, man. His ground game is tight as fuck.

[164] But people are talking a lot of shit on Connor's jiu -jitsu.

[165] I know Connor's jiu -jitsu is good.

[166] He's come to my school.

[167] That guy's good just because he got mounted and choked down.

[168] Yeah, he was already hurt.

[169] But even if he wasn't hurt, I'd get mounted by my purple belt sometimes and I get my back there's some shit going on and add punches and fucking all this hype just because he got mounted and got his back taken does not mean connor's jujitsu sucks don't get it twisted he was a little hurt Nate Diaz is really good it's that Nate Diaz is really really good you know what I mean like Nate Diaz could probably do that to me doesn't mean I suck yeah you know what I mean he could probably get my back doesn't mean I suck I'm a height you know so well he got hurt it's real simple when you get tagged the way he got tagged then you're trying to take Nate Diaz down he got hurt he probably had no idea what the fuck he was doing you know i haven't had an mma fight but shab was telling me about when Travis brown hit him and that he's like dude i know how to get out of the mound but when Travis hit me he's like i didn't know what i was doing it was i was out of it i think that we unless you get punched in the face you can't judge his jiu jihitsu it's like judging is walking if you get head kicked conner's jujitsu is good Nate dia's jiu jiu jih T's just way better you know what i'm saying somebody punches you in the face And then you walk funny.

[170] Like, man, you need to work on your walking.

[171] No. They got memes of Connor like in like a kid's jihitsu class.

[172] They put it in a place.

[173] That's one that's going around.

[174] I think that's, you know what?

[175] He's hurt.

[176] He is good.

[177] Trust me. Very good.

[178] Connor's jiu -jitsu is very, very good.

[179] Trust me. He's not a joke.

[180] Especially in that first round was nasty.

[181] Stand -up, like, very good.

[182] He's just, look, first of all, Nate Diaz is not a real 170, although he did fight 170 twice.

[183] He fought Stung Gun Kim and he fought Rory, Roy McDonald.

[184] Remember that?

[185] Fought those guys at 170.

[186] So he did have two fights at 170, but he's a 155er.

[187] But he's a big 155er.

[188] He's big and long.

[189] I don't know if he could ever make 145.

[190] I just don't think he could do it.

[191] Connor barely can do it.

[192] You know, Connor barely can do it.

[193] When you see Connor at the way -ins, I mean, those photos from the way -ins are pretty legendary.

[194] I think it's insane that we do this, that we let these guys dehydrate them.

[195] So I was like that.

[196] I think whatever Nate walks around that, that's what he should fight at.

[197] And I don't know if Connor really walks around at 168, which would he weighed in and Nate raid 169.

[198] They were only one pound different.

[199] And Nate, you know, Nate had some body fat on him because he wasn't, he wasn't preparing for this at all.

[200] I think Connor, I think Connor could make some noise at 155.

[201] Shrink that up so we could see the two of those together?

[202] Can we do that?

[203] Look at the difference between how he weighed in before and how he weighed in this time.

[204] I mean, my God, he looks like he has some fucking crazy disease that, like, won't let food absorb in his body on the top one, you know?

[205] Like, he's got some crazy illness.

[206] And then on the bottom, he looks great, full -faced.

[207] But, you know, if he can make $1 .45, he's going to continue to do it.

[208] Do you think it's an accident that the ring card girls are, like, sitting right there?

[209] Is that an accident?

[210] It's perfect for the pictures, right?

[211] That's why they stand there.

[212] Ultimate man. It's to balance out the dude in underwear.

[213] You've got to put chicks in there somewhere.

[214] That's exactly when they do it.

[215] That's funny.

[216] That's funny.

[217] But I think he could completely dominate, continue to dominate the 145 division.

[218] And I think he could make a lot of epic fights at 155.

[219] Five went, beat some big names, but then lose to some other big names.

[220] Like he'll be one of the top guys at 55.

[221] I don't know if he'll just clean house like he did at 45.

[222] But I believe if he stayed at 55.

[223] he would do some serious damage.

[224] He's a bad motherfucker, dude.

[225] Yeah, he's a bad motherfucker.

[226] And the shit he's saying after the fight, perfect shit.

[227] Perfect shit.

[228] I love what he's doing.

[229] You know what?

[230] I love how he's handling it.

[231] I think he handled his loss better than anybody, ever, ever.

[232] He said, I'm humbling victory, and I'll be humble and defeat.

[233] No matter what happened in that fight, his next fight, whoever he's fighting, he's going to get fucked up.

[234] You know what I mean?

[235] Maybe.

[236] I mean, what if he fights Los Angeles, you know?

[237] Los Angeles was always going to be a tough fight.

[238] He's going to cut him up.

[239] I bet he tags him a few times.

[240] I bet you're right I bet he tags him He's gonna tag everybody He's gonna hit some people And just because he got knocked out A lot of people Half the people get knocked out And fights He got knocked out He got cracked and he got choked But I'm interested to see How he handles The physicality of Dosangos Who's a lot more physical than Nate You know, Dosangos is a beast I want to know if he could do To Connor What he was able to do to Nate What he was able to do To a lot of guys Like Pettus What he did to Pettus You know?

[241] That guy's strong as shit That was so bummed out when he broke his foot.

[242] I was like, God, that's a crazy fight.

[243] That's always going to be there.

[244] But fucking Nate, all of a sudden, Nate is a superstar, dude.

[245] That little stoner is going to be, he's probably, dude, he's super famous now.

[246] Everybody knows who Nate Diaz is.

[247] Come on, dude.

[248] He had the greatest all -time post -fight line.

[249] I got to say, I'm not surprised, motherfuckers.

[250] You know what's funny?

[251] You know what's, dude, in the beginning, Connor won the verbal battles.

[252] The first couple of press conferences, he kind of did.

[253] Connor came full blown.

[254] And then Nate won towards the end, dude.

[255] I felt that Nate was in Connor's head.

[256] I think it reversed it.

[257] I think he was pissing Connor off that he kept saying, fuck you.

[258] He just went gangster on him every time.

[259] My crew will fuck up your crew.

[260] Like I said, if you want to make this fucking serious, we're going to pass by you guys somewhere in the small fucking hotel.

[261] We'll jump you.

[262] We'll do that.

[263] You guys want to do that?

[264] We'll actually jump you guys and it'll be all over fucking Sherdog and shit.

[265] Well, do you know that, uh, Quagadija and Yohanna -Jech got in a full -blown street fight on the set of tough.

[266] Head kicks, everything.

[267] You know, those two bad -ass chicks.

[268] Claudea Gidea is a badass bitch.

[269] You've seen her fight, right?

[270] She's nasty.

[271] You know what?

[272] She's one that I have zero images in my head.

[273] She's nasty.

[274] She's nasty.

[275] Her and Yon Jacek had a, they had a really close first fight, split decision win for Yon Jacek.

[276] So they coached opposite side each other because she's the number one contender.

[277] Okay.

[278] When is that air?

[279] She's ferocious.

[280] She's ferocious.

[281] I like the ultimate fighter.

[282] Both of them are ferocious.

[283] Dude, Yon Jacek is ferocious.

[284] And Claudia Gidella, yeah, there it is.

[285] Dana -Gat -a -Berzat a full -blown -fits fight?

[286] Yeah, man. She's a Nova O 'Niao girl.

[287] She's good, dude.

[288] She's good.

[289] Jiu -Jitsu?

[290] Fuck, yeah.

[291] Real good Jiu -Jitsu and strong as shit.

[292] strong as shit when they fought the first time where she was winning was on the ground and she was doing well on the feet too but um yanna caught her with a big uppercut i think in the first round and rocked her but was she trying to take her down i'd have to go back and watch it again i remember specifics that yuana cracked her with a big uppercut and her but that claudea had overwhelmed her in some of the ground exchanges and a lot of people were thinking that you and jcheck was going to have more problems with grapplers like carla sparsa or like um you know Like Carl is a wrestler Or like Juliana Panet What's her now?

[293] No, Jessica Panay Jessica Panay The second title defense That she had These girls try to wrestle with her Though You can't wrestle with her anymore She's she got better She's nasty She's really fucking slick Standing up And apparently They just went to war They just on the set Beat the shit out of each other You're Dana White What do you do with Misha Dude Blow her up She's huge.

[294] That fight was courageous.

[295] I don't know, man, but give her a world tour first.

[296] She won one of the greatest victories in the history of MMA.

[297] Damn, dude.

[298] Down on the scorecards.

[299] In the fourth round, with two minutes to go, she hits a takedown, takes her back, almost gets shook over the top, hangs on, hangs on.

[300] That was so dramatic.

[301] Dude, that was like the end of a movie right there.

[302] She fought so smart.

[303] She did everything that all the experts were saying.

[304] saying she was going to need to do she did everything yeah avoided the kicks she didn't rush in and she had to pull it off and like the what was there a minute left how much time i think it was like somewhere around two minutes to go when she went for the takedown when she when she got a hold of her so you're down to last round last round and she wasn't winning the round nothing really had happened that was like big and significant she had a takedown she was probably losing on the cards could be i didn't look at the cards but you know she won that one round for sure when she took her down.

[305] And that made everybody go, oh, shit.

[306] Was that the second?

[307] Was it the second round that she took her down?

[308] So was dominating her?

[309] Yeah, I think it was the second.

[310] Her, uh, Misha's wrestling surprised me. Her wrestling is a lot better than before.

[311] She's hustling, dude.

[312] She hustles.

[313] She keeps getting better.

[314] Because Holly Holmey needs her to take down.

[315] She works her take down defense.

[316] That's like her main shit.

[317] Um, she probably works on her take down defense more than her jiu -jitsu.

[318] So this is the cards?

[319] Yeah.

[320] So what is it saying basically?

[321] What do we got in here?

[322] Misha, this is hard to do.

[323] These are confusing.

[324] White, blue, pink.

[325] There's a pink card.

[326] I guess the different people.

[327] It just says the referee's names.

[328] Okay.

[329] So round nine, so 10 -9.

[330] Well, who's red and who's blue?

[331] Misha's blue.

[332] Yeah, Misha's blue on the left.

[333] Oh, okay.

[334] So, yeah, so it must have been the, hmm, that's interesting.

[335] Wait.

[336] Wait a minute.

[337] All three.

[338] had 10 -9 for the first.

[339] Right.

[340] All three had 10 -8 for the second.

[341] Right, that makes sense.

[342] And all three had 10 -9 for the third and for the fourth.

[343] So does that make it a draw?

[344] No. That means Holly was ahead?

[345] Well, how do they judge the fourth and then the fifth?

[346] She was ahead and the fourth.

[347] So Holly was ahead by one point, right?

[348] Yeah, yeah.

[349] Even though she'd won three rounds?

[350] Yeah, so I mean, she could have won that round, it would have been a draw, I guess.

[351] Wow.

[352] But she wasn't really winning the round right there.

[353] I'm surprised at the all -game.

[354] 108.

[355] That's good.

[356] That's very good.

[357] Good job.

[358] Who were their names?

[359] Marcos Rosales.

[360] Good job.

[361] Yeah.

[362] That was a real 10 -8.

[363] That's how a 10 -8 should look.

[364] Someone takes you down and beats shit out of you.

[365] But just what a finish.

[366] That was what was amazing about it.

[367] And you know, Holly fought smart.

[368] She used that sidekick a lot.

[369] She's so good with her movement.

[370] She caught Misha with a lot of punches too, man. But she wasn't going after her.

[371] She would catch her with punches and stay on the outside.

[372] She was fighting a smart fight.

[373] And she got to taken down she got dominated on the ground by Misha and that's when I was like wow Misha's fucking top game is solid as a rock like her control is excellent and she's fucking strong man she's strong because Holly's strong Holly's strong Holly home is strong I was really impressed with her ground and pound really impressed with her top game but then you know what man the next round Holly home got right back on her fucking bicycle and and probably in everyone's eyes won that round right all those judge's eyes I was, to me, it was, if that would have won a decision, I would have given it to Holly.

[374] Yeah.

[375] Just based on, you know.

[376] Depending upon how that fifth round ended.

[377] No real damage.

[378] She never knocked Misha down.

[379] She never hurt Misha, right?

[380] It was, does she ever hurt her?

[381] She tagged her a couple times where, you know, she snapped her head back a little bit, but it wasn't anything like boom.

[382] It was wrong.

[383] Yeah.

[384] Legs giving out.

[385] No. So it was about to be a semi -boring decision overall.

[386] Like, who would want to watch that fight?

[387] the second round was kind of cool it was gonna be one of those fights but just like that misha turned it into one of the greatest fights ever amazing yeah that comeback that's like a grand slam in the bottom of the ninth in the scramble to get to the back her scramble the way she held on as holly kept moving and changing and adjusting she kept holding on then finally the hail mary holly tries to flip her over the top and she hangs on yeah hangs on to the joke and sinks it in and gets the hooks in and and when holly goes to sleep punching in the air?

[388] You know those old NFL films like when you watch those at the Super Bowl from 1978 or something and they have that voice and they're doing the slow -mo and all these old memorable plays like epic plays in 20 years when they look back at that and they have some old like Orson Wells type narrator talking about you know about going through all that transition that was a lot of drama going on there.

[389] Man, she didn't just take her back and choke her.

[390] There was a lot of shit.

[391] There was a lot of shit to handle first.

[392] So much was going on.

[393] So much was happening.

[394] Yeah.

[395] It was incredible.

[396] Two rear naked chokes.

[397] The scramble, though.

[398] The scramble was just so epic because the drama building up.

[399] She's down on the cards most likely.

[400] We can't watch that?

[401] We're watched.

[402] No, we can never watch that.

[403] She's down on the cards most likely.

[404] She's about to lose a decision.

[405] Probably.

[406] Oh, my God.

[407] She's got a hold of her.

[408] Oh, my God.

[409] on her back oh my god oh my god she got that joke oh my god it just kept going and going and then when holly went to sleep it was like she didn't even tap she just went out she went out punching yeah she was throwing punches when she went out yeah do you know how badass you have to be to go out throwing punches how badass that girl is she went out she went out like throwing punches she didn't want to tap fuck that was a good fight who yeah to Amazing.

[410] Back to back, boom.

[411] The best fight of the night.

[412] Was that the biggest UFC ever?

[413] I mean, Jesus.

[414] Yeah, it was the biggest UFC ever.

[415] I mean, I would say it's the fight of the night, but he's not the fight of the night.

[416] It's the same.

[417] They're both equally insane.

[418] There's no, like, one better finale or one better end conclusion.

[419] I think the Conner fight was more exciting because all the way through there was a lot of damage going on.

[420] There was a lot of fire going on with the Holly fight.

[421] There was a lot of dancing around, taking shots.

[422] It was a lot of, you know.

[423] Definitely was, there was a lot less action overall.

[424] Yeah, but if you compress those, if you take out a couple of those rounds and compress it all into one round, then yeah.

[425] See, I don't think you've got to be pleased by it through the whole thing.

[426] I think what's most important is that after it ends, you have some, like, definitive conclusion.

[427] And if it takes a while to get that definitive conclusion, I mean, it's going to.

[428] You're right.

[429] If two fighters are tactical.

[430] You're right.

[431] But the end.

[432] It was because of that that made the end so good.

[433] Without that, then it wouldn't have been so juicy at the end.

[434] Exactly, because she had gone through the full five, when they were in the fifth round, and it was like, we've got to see, she's trying things and not working.

[435] She tries this, it works really good.

[436] Okay, now Holly's trying this, that's working.

[437] Misha's trying that, that's not working.

[438] Okay, now she's trying to start a kick.

[439] What is she got to do something different to get close to her?

[440] How is she going to figure it out?

[441] Down the score, shoots for the fucking takedown, grabs a hold of her, gets her neck, chokes her unconscious, oh my God.

[442] The place went insane.

[443] Because, yeah, you wouldn't have been that low from that stuff.

[444] Yeah, dude, the place went insane.

[445] It went insane.

[446] It was so epic.

[447] And then, damn, Misha Tate, man. God damn, she was so happy.

[448] She's so nice.

[449] You know, she's such a, like her and Holly, they're both so nice.

[450] It's so nice to see, like, nice people like that do really well in such a brutal, savage sport.

[451] You know, she's really nice.

[452] Like, one of you ever, you know, Misha Tate's never, like, raised her.

[453] voice at anybody she's never yelling at anybody she's like real friendly she's like real sweet to see her the ufc ban to my champ i was like wow this is crazy what i think i think holly is a little bit nicer though she's super nice too she seems like just some some country like wife you know what i mean she's the preacher's daughter yeah she really is yeah she really is right yeah she really is wow and she's tough as fuck dude she went out punching yeah i don't cold she's like throwing punches she just wants to get in her post -line interview she just wanted to get back into it she's like when do you she just she just wants to get back in you know what i'd love about the pre -fight speech when she was talking about the fight itself she was like you know what ronda's going to be out for a while she was i'm not fighting for money i'm not fighting for fame i want the action i want to fight like whoa how wild that's how you got to think if you want to be great right if you want something to focus on yeah if you want to be a holly home i guess you have to be like that.

[454] You want to be a 19 -time world's women boxing champion.

[455] You've got to be like a crazy motivated person.

[456] She's got to, she's got to fall in love with Jiu -Jitsu, though, because she's not the biggest fan of Jiu -Zitsu.

[457] She really needs that.

[458] You would say this before the fight.

[459] I know that's hard to swallow, you know, but you got to, you can't be one of those fighters that, and there's a bunch of them out there, that they didn't really want to get offensively good at J -Jitsu.

[460] They didn't really have a, they weren't attracted to passing the guard and taking the back and choking p .p. There's a lot of wrestlers out there that just wanted to keep it on the feet, do a little take -down defense, and if you have to take them down, stay in half guard, and pound them out, and just keep it simple and keep it like that.

[461] You know, if, um, there's a lot of wrestlers like that, not that she's a wrestler, and there's strikers, there's strikers like that, too.

[462] There's been quite a few throughout the year's champions that didn't really want to work on their jiu -tzu the right way, the right way, which is sparring with everybody and not picking or sparring a and just jumping in into the fire.

[463] That's how I know Connor's good because Connor does that.

[464] And he's going to get way better.

[465] He's actually good at Jiu -Jitsu.

[466] Just Nate is a lot better.

[467] But I think Holly needs to have somehow, somehow it needs to happen.

[468] I don't know how.

[469] But she needs to fall in love of Jiu -Jitsu because I think that's where people know.

[470] I mean, that's the spot.

[471] We haven't really seen her on her back.

[472] We haven't seen her reacted Jiu -Jitsu.

[473] Now we have.

[474] And Misha just exposed her.

[475] and she needs to take that she needs to take care of that and follow in love with Jiu -Jitsu and start getting on Instagram taking pictures with her ghee you know what I mean and she's got her blue belt and be all happy she's got to be really happy about it because she needs a there's a hole right there and that's where people are going to try to take her yeah she's not that hard to take down after all I thought she'd be harder to take down but you know Misha took her down well Misha mixes up her takedown times she goes up top and she goes down low whereas Rhonda's like upper body clinch she's really an upper body clinch So all Holly had to do it.

[476] Also, Ron did in that fight was so insanely aggressive.

[477] Her charging after her made it so much easier for counters.

[478] Misha was super crafty.

[479] Yep.

[480] She like very patient.

[481] Very patient.

[482] Very patient.

[483] Varyed her movement.

[484] Varyed her timing.

[485] Didn't do any like, like she didn't continue any patterns like with her standup.

[486] She moved around a lot.

[487] She did a lot of jukeen and a lot of, she did a lot of different stuff.

[488] Stayed on the outside, made Holly come after her.

[489] Like if you, if you're, if you're a really good.

[490] Counterstriker, like Holly is, for her, the best thing is Aranda, like someone's going to run at her.

[491] The best thing is someone running at her.

[492] She's so fleet, like her footwork, so excellent.

[493] She's so light on her feet that she's so good at just sliding out of the way and cracking you while you're coming in.

[494] It's like one of the things she's best at.

[495] So if you fight that way against her, that's the kind of fight that happens.

[496] She looks like a master.

[497] But if you look at her fight in the very first UFC fight with Raquel Pennington, she won't split decision yeah you know and that was a fight where Raquel fought more cautious a little smarter new new Holly's background coming in you know if you don't like if you don't engage with her it's like remember when Anderson was in his prime if guys came after him he just butchered him but if guys hung back sometimes the fight was boring right like Talas Laitis remember Talas Laitis like hung back and he kind of waited for Anderson same thing with Patrick Cote Patrick Cote hung back.

[498] He just fought smart.

[499] He's like, I'm not charging and running in anything.

[500] Come, come get me. Come get me. And Cotei, like, always had a big right hand.

[501] So everybody had to be real careful.

[502] You always had to be careful because a guy, if you're coming at him, he could always catch you.

[503] And if a guy like Cote catches you, he just had that stupid power in his hand.

[504] He could just knock, he knocked down Tito at 205.

[505] You remember that?

[506] He knocked him out.

[507] Down, knocked him down.

[508] Tito can take a shot.

[509] But he knocked him down at 205.

[510] And he fights at 170 now.

[511] You know?

[512] I mean, Patrick O' take and crack.

[513] So Anderson never won't.

[514] Remember Patrick blew his knee out in that fight?

[515] Yeah.

[516] He like went to throw a kick and his knee just gave out.

[517] That's right.

[518] Exploded.

[519] Yeah, he fought a very smart fight too.

[520] And that's that staying, when you fight a killer counterstriker like that, the big thing is like let them lead.

[521] They don't want to lead.

[522] Make it a boring fight.

[523] Let it be boring.

[524] Move around.

[525] Be patient.

[526] Misha did everything right, man. It's amazing.

[527] Ronda Misha 3 would be nice.

[528] Right?

[529] It's probably what it's going to happen.

[530] It's probably what's going to happen next, according to what I've led on the internets.

[531] Is that what of here?

[532] I wonder what Rhonda would want.

[533] Would she want a rematch with her after a loss or a title shot?

[534] If I was her, if I would guess, rather, if I was her, if I was her, I'd be a boy.

[535] Tough choice, right?

[536] I'm a boy.

[537] I can't be her.

[538] If I was her, honestly, I would probably, I would imagine if I was her, I'd want to avenge the loss because Holly was her first loss.

[539] and she doesn't feel like she did her best in that fight.

[540] And that fight was just, she had too much going on.

[541] If you hear her talk about it, it was just overwhelmed with obligations and shit.

[542] And just fought wrong, just didn't fight correctly.

[543] Just had real problems going into that.

[544] And then you have, like, her approach, like getting in Holly's face at the way in, trying to make it real emotional, you know, you fake -ass bitch and all that stuff.

[545] And then all that emotions when she fought in the ring, just running after Holly.

[546] And Holly just fall like a master.

[547] that was one of the best performances you'll ever see of a striker negating a person's aggression like she just did it so brilliantly catching her with elbows coming in catching her with straight lefts and then that fucking setup for the head kick when ronda's all stumbling and she just catches her with that head kick i mean just a spectacular mixed martial arts performance overall like one of the best like title winning efforts in any weight class as far as like a sheer domination It's right up there with T .J. Dill's shot Henan Borough 1, but probably more scary and impressive.

[548] It's one of the most spectacular highlight clips ever, where she's getting clipped.

[549] Yep.

[550] Wow.

[551] Amazing.

[552] Amazing.

[553] She's a badass, you know.

[554] So what I think about Holly is, you know, Holly get back on track, and I really hope that she takes that advice that you just gave.

[555] I think that would be real smart.

[556] She's got to somehow fall in love with it and not fight it no more.

[557] Well, I don't know if she fights it.

[558] I don't know what the deal is.

[559] Who knows?

[560] You know, she's just so good.

[561] good at kickboxing i think uh she just wants to stay sharp in that and that's what she wants to do to girls because she feels like she has this big advantage of them against them in that but obviously she needs a little work on it and i think she'll get better man she she can she can still improve you know and i think maybe there's also the overwhelming pressure that must come from being a champ like that experience probably takes a while to learn how to navigate i i hope i'm wrong and she's already in love with it that would be awesome if i was wrong you know i'm rooting for holly i like Holly.

[562] I think Holly with, of course, how could I not like her?

[563] I'm just being real.

[564] I'm sorry if it hurts anybody's feelings.

[565] No, no, no. I think what you're saying is important.

[566] And I hope, and I hope that I'm wrong.

[567] I hope like you have no idea.

[568] She's totally into it.

[569] She's been honest.

[570] She just hasn't worked on it that long or whatever or whatever.

[571] But that's, I would love to see Holly Holme with aggressive offer back and dangerous offer back.

[572] There's no reason why she couldn't be.

[573] She's super athletic.

[574] She has a crazy work ethic.

[575] She could do it.

[576] She could do it.

[577] and Brandon Thatch?

[578] There was a fight on the undercard.

[579] That's a super talented guy, man. Super talented karate guy.

[580] But Bahra Zada was able to take him down and he just didn't have any answers off his back.

[581] It's like one of those examples of a guy who's a really talented striker where you're not getting to see the full extent of his talent because he has a difficult time fighting off his back and he has a difficult time keeping guys from taking him down.

[582] So you know, guys are figuring that out with him and a couple guys have dominated him on the ground.

[583] And it's just unfortunate because he's so talented with his striking.

[584] Like when you see a guy like that, you just want to go, man, if you could figure out a way to find balance in your skill set, how good would he be?

[585] You know, he's so good standing up.

[586] But Bahra -Dazada, man, my God, that guy hits hard.

[587] He's got one of those weird punching power bodies.

[588] Like, it doesn't even make any sense.

[589] I'm not familiar with him.

[590] He's from Afghanistan.

[591] He was born in Afghanistan, grew up in Holland, I think.

[592] but he is I want to say he did I don't think you Who did he train with Um Oh Greg Jackson He was at Greg Jackson's camp for this But he's been out for like 800 days He had like some serious injuries man Like both in the labrums It's three years Almost three years Two years Two and yeah A little bit more than two years He had both his labrums Had to be operated on Broke his hand Fucked up his back Which one's the labrum Inside your shoulder Oh shit He had a bunch of shit Operated on You know he was out for a long time so to see him come back and but see thatch like in the beginning you see him on his back and he tries to he almost catches a triangle who just throws up his legs and you know if someone who had a really good triangle like Nate if Nate was in that same position he would got it he got the triangle for sure I mean it was all there or at least he would have secured it and Bahar Dezada would have to defend it but he couldn't secure it and I was like man that's just it was right there like you had the leg over he had the other leg here he was over like this there wasn't that much resistance like grab your fucking ankle lock that in like what he did and he just didn't and then you see him for the rest of the fight was having a real hard time fighting off his back we see a guy that's good he's so talented standing up man you watch him throw knees and punches you're like jesus this kid be a this kid could be a fucking force just got to really polish up that ground game and especially off of his back yeah you know this is a crazy sport man you can't just have one way to go anymore you got to have the whole thing you can't there's There's very few people that are going to exist in this sport at the upper echelons with just one way to go.

[593] You know, one of the things that's so scary about a guy like Nate is that Nate's boxing is just as good as his jiu -jitsu.

[594] You know, and sometimes you don't see the jiu -jitsu that much because he's so confident in his boxing and he throws down with guys.

[595] But guys go to the ground with him.

[596] I mean, he's choked out some good dudes.

[597] You know, he's fucking good.

[598] You've got to have some serious finishing power on the ground.

[599] ground whether it's on your back or you on top you have at least with you on top you better have finishing power maybe you just use your bottom game for sweeps there's nothing wrong with that uh you don't you don't have to finish the guy off your back but it's always good it's those better if you could finish if you're known to finish people off your back that's anytime i roll with anybody that's like even a purple belt who specialty is finishing people off his back and there's always those dudes when i'm going to roll with jeremiah i i'm going to roll with jeremiah i I almost rather have them mounting me. Like if I end up in Jeremiah's guard, I'm going to fuck that, mount me. It's easier to get out of the mouth than it is his rubber guard.

[600] Seriously.

[601] And there's a few guys like that.

[602] Like a boogie, anytime boogie put me in his guard, I go right to the mount.

[603] Like, check out this sweep.

[604] You're a bad motherfucker.

[605] Boom!

[606] That's funny.

[607] Isn't that crazy?

[608] Because that goes against conventional things.

[609] Oh, yeah.

[610] But I don't have the greatest posture in the world and my lower back's all fucked up.

[611] So I don't try to posture out of shit.

[612] I just, I go with everything, man. I'm like, you want to go that way?

[613] Let's go and let me see if I could hold on and get a little clinch and then go back this way, bam.

[614] You know, I don't, I'm too old to force my way through anything.

[615] That's probably the smart way to do it, though, right?

[616] It's the traditional way of jujitsu.

[617] My jiu -jitsu is becoming very survival now.

[618] My guys are fucking me up now.

[619] There's this phase where I'm getting tapped out all the goddamn time now, man. The only way I could tap out my certain purple belts is if I have gas.

[620] If I'm tired and I take around with one of my purple belts, I'll be fucking on survival mode the whole time, man. My guys are coming with fire now.

[621] Throwing leg locks, you leave your feet out.

[622] It's pretty crazy now.

[623] You're getting any leg injuries?

[624] No. No. Just my back, finally getting that displacement.

[625] But I mean other people in class getting any knee injuries or anything?

[626] No. It's a myth.

[627] Really?

[628] It's a myth.

[629] That's interesting.

[630] You'll hurt your arm or your shoulder at the same rate.

[631] You'll hurt your knee.

[632] We do leg locks all the goddamn time.

[633] That's so interesting because that was always the worry.

[634] Ten Planet has always been that way.

[635] We never banned reaping.

[636] I never frowned upon heel hooks.

[637] I personally never got really heavy on heel hooks.

[638] I was always heavy on leg compressions, a different style leglock.

[639] I was always doing those.

[640] Not really heel hook so much.

[641] But we've always had heel hook masters.

[642] Now, I probably, I wouldn't have asked that if that wasn't something that comes up all the time people talk about leg locks you know i kind of i know the answer because if it was i would have heard about it i think it's a myth i think it's a myth that leg locks are when we're brought up in jiu jutsu in the whole brazilian jihitsa community band heel hooks and and frowned upon them and and do you remember that time you were at a tournament and they started booing and screaming when you went for a guy's leg yes when i first during my white belt years and into my blue belt years, I saw Ken Shamrock instructional.

[643] He's wearing jeans and shit and he's got no shirt and he's wearing jeans.

[644] And he's like in a small little gym and he's got this Japanese guy and he's doing this toe hold from the top, from top half.

[645] And I was always playing half guard right away as a white belt.

[646] That's like the worst guard ever is a quarter guard.

[647] I mean it doesn't get any worse than that.

[648] Anything worse is you got your guard pass.

[649] So I was always playing the worst shit because it was small and weak.

[650] But you would go after toeholds yeah I learned it from Ken Shamrock started going after toeholds and I got pretty good at him I was tapping motherfuckers with them and I did this tournament it was the first Pan Ams and it was in L .A. and El Segundo 1996 or 97 the first Pan Ams I went for a toll hold and there was about 500 Brazilians that they shipped in because it was the first Pan Ams and there was like this big retreat and they took they had them all in this this hotel right down the street from the gym and it was mayhem and shit i'll never forget that and this we're in elsa gundo in la and there was 500 brazilians that got shipped in for the panams and of course they dominated and they killed everybody in jihitsu but i did wrestle a Brazilian and i put them in a toll and as soon as i put them in the toad the whole crowd went nuts it was a riot almost happened it was just a riot i don't know what what stopped them but they were throwing shoes at the mat that were throwing bottles at the water bottles at me and I was sitting there hole in the toehold and everyone's screaming and I don't forget Johnny Machado comes running like slow motion in these slides because you got to let it go let it go and I was like fuck and I let it go and then the guy beat me on points but uh so Johnny Machado slid in and told you got to let it go because everybody was going crazy yeah everyone was going crazy you weren't supposed to tack the legs back then you weren't supposed to tie it was dirty it was dirty back then and then in the parking lot like that mean joe green commercial remember that old mean joe green commercial where he's drinking a coke and there's like a little kid yeah well i felt like a little kid because i ran into eric paulson in the parking lot and he was getting the same reaction when he was going for leg locks and he was like a blue belt at the time and he he and uh i think we're the same age but for some reason i always felt like a little kid and he had all this knowledge he was a blue belt and jiu jitsu but he had trained in japan and fought and chudo and shit he was already like a professional fighter and was an expert at leglocks who just got in the jiu -jitsu.

[651] So he's competing at a blue belt fucking everybody up with leg locks, right?

[652] Is Eric Paulson?

[653] Young ass Eric Paulson is in 24.

[654] And we're in the parking lawn and he showed me this leg lock and he goes listen, check this out, man. Don't forget this.

[655] Because he saw a little of him and me because I was going for a toehold.

[656] Right.

[657] He goes, oh fuck look at that dude.

[658] He's getting a lot of heat too because he's going for a leg lock.

[659] So right away.

[660] But it was totally legal.

[661] That's what's crazy.

[662] You could have tapped the guy out and it would have been legal.

[663] I don't know.

[664] I don't remember what the rule set I don't remember but so might not have been legal I thought they were legal and maybe it's illegal but even if it was illegal the crowd erupted the Brazilians went nuts and we're throwing shoes and screaming and today though it's illegal for some some belt ranks right like in some tournaments yeah uh you can't do heel hooks Gracie Nationals and Gracie Worlds you can do heel hooks at purple belt and above white belt and blue belt no heel hooks you could do straight ankle locks and knee bars at blue and no legs at all at white zero legs at white uh straight ankle locks knee bars leg compression at blue and then they allow heel hooks full reaping and everything purple belt on those are the best rules i love those rules you don't need hill hooks for blue belts but like naga they let everybody heel hook so and it's there's not this like you know big epidemic going on where people are just getting their knees just ripped off it's not at any 10th planet school every now and then someone does get any knee injury just like they do get an arm injury or shoulder injury.

[665] Sometimes people get put in a heel hook and it fucks their knee up.

[666] Sometimes, but sometimes it happens with the arm at the same rate.

[667] We do heel hooks all the time.

[668] No one's getting every now and then someone gets hurt, but it's just part of the game.

[669] But it's every now and then someone gets hurt from everything.

[670] Yeah, yeah.

[671] You know, if people were get, trust me, as a businessman, if I saw that I'm walking around every night and I'm looking at what's going on.

[672] I know exactly how my, I know who's playing what, what everyone's different.

[673] style you know especially at like the purple belt level i i pretty much know where they're coming from no one's getting hurt everyone's doing your hooks and you just you you you uh man it's a different mother fucking world when you're going against leglock experts to know jujitsu like guys like eddie cummings yeah and gary tonin like black belted jujitsu that are fucking hyper super ultra leglocky yeah holy shit you better want to do that you better want to do that you're watch your shit.

[674] So, if you are not training leg locks, leg locks, you know, when everything, when it's submission only, when there's not all these stupid rules, when they just, when it's just like that jujitsu that you fell in love with.

[675] Everybody falls in love with the jujitsu that they walk into their dojo, and then they train for the first day, and they fucking love it.

[676] They love it.

[677] And they fall, they fell in love with what happened and what goes on every night in that class.

[678] There's no point.

[679] People are just rolling and they're trying to get the, submission.

[680] That's what you fall in love with.

[681] What you see at a tournament, that's not what you fall in love.

[682] No one goes to do a Jitsu tournament for the first fucking time.

[683] I love this.

[684] I'm going to do this.

[685] They fucking run.

[686] They're gone.

[687] That's how you turn people off to Jiu Jitsu.

[688] Their first experience is a points tournament where there's 12 matches going on at the same time.

[689] We'll see how long that lasts.

[690] People that like Jiu Jitsu can't even hang.

[691] Well, especially when that's with the geek.

[692] Exactly.

[693] Oh, my God.

[694] They'll be like, fuck this.

[695] They're playing Tug Award.

[696] this whole fucking time.

[697] John Jacques thinks it's boring.

[698] Yeah, yeah, exactly.

[699] John Jacques's like, hey, it's so boring.

[700] So many guys are just trying to get advantages and trying to, like, just score a point and hold on.

[701] Yeah.

[702] I think the rules that you've set up for EBI are the best rules.

[703] They're the best rules because you go a certain amount of time.

[704] What is it, 10 minutes?

[705] How many minutes you have?

[706] 10 -minute matches, 16 -man tournament, 10 -minute matches with overtime if there's no, no points, no advantages, all submission only.

[707] You have to get the submission, you know?

[708] Yeah.

[709] Yeah, and what's really interesting is you've got this idea that, you know, until I saw it, I was not sure what to think of it.

[710] I was like, hmm, all right, I don't know.

[711] I don't know how he was going to do this.

[712] The overtime set on paper sounds crazy.

[713] On paper, it sounds crazy, but in practice, it's the best thing.

[714] Because if you watch a jihitsu match, one of the things that happens, if you're a casual observer, if you watch like a Marcelo Garcia, some guy just attacks and strangled somebody like, whoa, that was amazing.

[715] That guy's awesome.

[716] Like I've showed some people that don't ever do Jiu -Jitsu.

[717] I've showed them like a Marcelo Garcia match and you watch him choke somebody and it's so spectacular to watch because his movements are so impressive.

[718] They're so fast and lethal, you know, but a lot of jiu -jitsu matches will end in nothing.

[719] Some guy gets on top and then he reverses the guy, guy goes for a leg lock, he doesn't get it.

[720] A guy goes for a choke, he doesn't get it.

[721] The other guy winds up on top.

[722] They reverse positions and you run out of time.

[723] So when you run out of time like that, for a lot of people it feels inconclusive.

[724] So you decide you're going to.

[725] to have how many different rounds of it do they do four rounds what's the most amount of rounds of overtime they can do well well first off let me let me say that uh you know if there's nothing wrong with the point game if you like the point game there's fucking nothing on you get really good at it you know what you're going to get good at passing and you're going to get good at sweeping and your wrestling's going to be good it's just it's like uh it's like a little uh subculture cerebral type thing positional thing fucking nothing wrong with it You could use that as a training tool, like getting good at points tournaments, just, you know, because you're going to work on your passing and you're sweeping and, you know, you might as well do points.

[726] And for MMA, like, if you're lethal with punches and you like to do that, it's not a bad strategy at all.

[727] Yeah, there's nothing wrong with that.

[728] I'm not trying to stomp that out.

[729] I want to make it clear.

[730] I'm not trying to compete against that at all.

[731] Let me explain what you do, though.

[732] I just, you just, my goal has always been to put, to create a jiu jitsu show.

[733] And I thought it would have been done by now.

[734] And a lot of people have tried to put a Jiu -Jitsu show together on that's so exciting that it can compete with, on the overall entertainment value with an MMA show, like your average MMA show.

[735] I go, Jiu -Jitsu is so so beautiful.

[736] We're obsessed with it.

[737] Why can't we say what's going wrong?

[738] What's going wrong?

[739] There's been a professional submission league.

[740] Hickson even had a show.

[741] They're Meta -Morris.

[742] There's Polaris.

[743] I mean, none of these shows.

[744] including mine, including mine, none of these shows are making any money.

[745] I haven't made any goddamn money with my show.

[746] We all know that in the Jiu -Jitsu community.

[747] There's no money there.

[748] These shows fail constantly.

[749] But what is it about it?

[750] The works of passion.

[751] And that's the reason why they're still around.

[752] Like when you go to an EBI and you're in the audience, that is an audience of Jiu -Jitsu enthusiasts.

[753] Like everybody is pumped.

[754] They're all very excited to be there.

[755] And there's a feeling of a camaraderie in that kind of a crowd that's very different than a crowd that just comes out to see like a UFC even because a lot of people in the audience at a UFC are gigantic fans a lot of them are fucking fanatical a lot of them are like you and me a lot of them but there's a lot of other people that are just there because it's an event there's a lot of other people that goes there because it's a scene there's a lot of people that are on their phone half the time they're not even paying attention to the fights this is that too at an eBI there's none of that no it's all jujitsu freaks yeah everybody and everybody's clapping for everything everybody knows when a heel hook's close everybody knows when a choke is close everybody knows Everybody knows what's going on.

[756] Everybody knows when a guy cinches up a triangle.

[757] Everybody knows.

[758] So there's a beauty to that.

[759] But let me explain what you do, because we didn't finish it.

[760] You have overtime.

[761] So when a fight goes to a draw, like at the end of it, the time runs out.

[762] What you do is you take these guys and you force them into dangerous positions.

[763] So you force a guy on a guy's back with over under and you start from there.

[764] You say, ready, go.

[765] And when you do that, then the guy on the bottom tries to get out, the guy in the top, in the good position, tries to finish.

[766] if the guy finishes you move on to another round and the other guy tries to do it if he can't finish him the guy who finished him won but he gets his chance in a bad position as well but if you have a stalemate over the rounds of that you just count out the time who got out the quickest which guy escaped from the other guy's bad position is the quickest and you calculate the time well traditionally overtime with jiu jitsu matches it usually went it came down to wrestling who had the better wrestling because if there would be overtime, there's no points or whatever, they go into overtime, there's three minute overtime, five minute overtime, or sudden death, whoever gets the first points win.

[767] It's really going to come down to who has the best wrestling because that overtime period, they both start on their feet.

[768] So what's the most important thing on your feet is the wrestling here.

[769] That's going to determine overall the superior wrestlers are going to win.

[770] That's always been the case, really, in all the overtimes.

[771] It always comes down to the wrestling generally.

[772] So I never really was a fan of that because I've seen plenty of wrestlers in submission tournaments.

[773] Not know anything about submitting, but they'll run away with the gold medals just based on the wrestling.

[774] And that's a beautiful thing.

[775] I wish I had that wrestling.

[776] But when it's a submission or jiu -tit -tournament, we should the best jiu -jitsu.

[777] Yeah, the best jiu -jitsu should win, not the best wrestling, the best at submitting should win.

[778] Like a guy like Marcelo Garcia should win.

[779] The overtimes should make it so the best wins, generally.

[780] So instead of starting on the feet, my overtime rounds, we start in terrible positions.

[781] And it's like extra innings.

[782] You get out of shit.

[783] Like if we were going at it and we went into overtime, you'd get a shot at my back, and then I'd get a shot at your back.

[784] If you finished me, it's not over yet.

[785] I get a shot at your back.

[786] If I finish you, we tie.

[787] We go an extra inning.

[788] It's an extra round.

[789] Three max, three max.

[790] But it could end in that first round.

[791] It could end in the second round.

[792] If it goes all three rounds and we're still tie, whether it's two submissions, a submission each or an escape each and another escape, and that's three total, or all escapes, we add all the combined escape and submission times together and whoever had the quickest or shortest time wins.

[793] So it encourages that when you're on my back, that I'm not going to just sit there and just hold the choke out.

[794] You should try to get the fuck out because if this goes, you know, to a triple overtime, this is going to matter.

[795] So what it does is opens up a submission for the guy Because the guy has to escape Yeah If it's confusing Just you can go see it live on You can see it on YouTube right You UFC fight pass You could see EBI 4 That's what we're at now But the ones that you have now Like there are some matches online If somebody want to go and look at it right now right Yes And then the new one The next one The absolute one This big crazy one Is going to be in April In L .A Sunday April 24th Is that the 4th?

[796] April 24th And that's an absolute one Right where you have all sorts of different weight classes represented.

[797] Yes.

[798] I'm sorry, dude.

[799] What are you doing?

[800] I want to make sure I got the day right.

[801] Yeah, Sunday, April 24th, downtown L .A. at the Orphium.

[802] It's going to be streamed live on UFC Fight Pass.

[803] Orphium is an awesome theater, too.

[804] If you've never been, it's one of those old classic downtown L .A. theaters.

[805] It's probably from the 30s or something, right?

[806] Like, when did they build that?

[807] I don't know.

[808] It's awesome.

[809] It's awesome.

[810] So to watch your show there, dude, it's so cool.

[811] It's so cool to see it blowing up.

[812] Like, last time we were there, we're sitting in the audience like, whoa, this is amazing.

[813] It's crazy, right?

[814] It's amazing.

[815] It's amazing.

[816] It's packed.

[817] I couldn't have done it without my partner, Victor Davila.

[818] He's the one guy.

[819] He's the, I never wanted to be a promoter, man. That's not something I ever thought I'd ever be like a promoter for a show.

[820] That's not what I was trying to do.

[821] I was trying to come up with an idea to, like, give it to another promoter to do it.

[822] Like, do the side, but nobody, everyone thought it was the dumbest idea.

[823] They thought I was losing my mind.

[824] They thought I smoked too much weed.

[825] So then I thought, you know what, I'm going to try to do it.

[826] And Victor, but the problem was it was too much work.

[827] I looked into it.

[828] I'm like, I can't do this shit.

[829] I was, you know.

[830] But Victor came in, Victor Davila.

[831] He's the Spanish commentator for the UFC.

[832] He came up to me and he said, hey, listen, let me do all the work.

[833] It'll be your idea.

[834] You run the show as an executive producer.

[835] let me produce it.

[836] I'll make it all happen.

[837] And I'm like, fuck.

[838] And he makes it really easy for me. That's awesome.

[839] Like, when you walked in and saw the stage, I didn't have anything to do with that.

[840] I like location.

[841] Well, he's got a background in production.

[842] I mean, and working on television, he knows a lot of shit.

[843] He's such a good dude, man. Victor's awesome.

[844] He's one of my greatest friends ever, man. He's the best.

[845] Yeah, so.

[846] We've known him forever, too, man. When did we meet Victor?

[847] Working at the UFC?

[848] But when?

[849] What year was it?

[850] Ooh That must have been 2008 -ish 2009 -ish Something like that I think it was even earlier Than that I think it was like Six 2006 or seven I want to say Thori was like A four years old His son was a big Brock Lesner fan It was back in the Brock Lesner days That's what I remember For sure Yeah there was definitely He's a kid's awesome man And he's training a lot now too Right Um Yes Yes he broke his arms so he's been out a little while and stuff but uh he helps he's uh an eBI um associate producer did he drug his arm in training yep yep yep arm crushed oh yeah arm crushed oh yeah arm crush is scary yep that's a scary one that's one our favorite bone arm crush is one of my favorite it's right you rarely see it in m .m. you know rarely so unusual you know when was the last time you saw a bicep crush in m mm. i think george sonaropolis did it did he I think so Back in the day, when we used to work together.

[851] I think he did it on George Roup.

[852] I don't know.

[853] I get the names all mixed up.

[854] It's a crazy sport, man. There's nothing crazier than MMA.

[855] You watch the combination of punching, kicking, and choking each other.

[856] You're seeing a lot more guys go for leg locks now.

[857] You notice that?

[858] In the last UFC, there was a guy.

[859] He didn't pull anything off, though.

[860] But forget who he was.

[861] But he was all over, dude's legs.

[862] And he couldn't get hit.

[863] a lot of angles, you know, back.

[864] You're talking about was it a Darren Elkins fight?

[865] Maybe, maybe.

[866] He was, um, fuck, who was he fighting?

[867] Maybe.

[868] God damn it.

[869] It was a great fight for Elkins.

[870] Why can't I remember who the hell he was fighting?

[871] Too many people in that last card.

[872] This weekend?

[873] Yeah.

[874] Skelly, I think.

[875] Chas Skelly.

[876] I think Chaz was like four and one in the UFC and Elkins just dominated him.

[877] Elkins moved to Sacramento, trained with Alpha Male, moved his family.

[878] He said, fuck it, I've got to make a run.

[879] Is this the fight that I'm talking about?

[880] You think so, yeah.

[881] And Elkins just ground and pounded him.

[882] There was a couple times where he's going for Elkins' legs, but Elkins just ground and pounded his shit.

[883] I think you're going to see a lot more leg locks now.

[884] I think with Ryan Hall in there, no matter what, you've got to watch your legs.

[885] Whether you could punch a guy in his face or not, you got to watch your legs with Ryan Hall.

[886] He'll take your leg off real quick.

[887] I think everybody's aware, too, of the trend in Jiu -Jitsu.

[888] And Gary Tonin's talking about, I mean, he's going to do M .A. It's strange seeing Ryan Hall in there.

[889] You know, it's strange because he's always been the Jiu -Jitsu guy, you know.

[890] And we're going to see him.

[891] He would do the M .MA, and he's in there now, and he's throwing down, and he's making some waves.

[892] Yeah, Gary Tonin is going to be really interesting because he's been striking for quite a while, like really trying to tighten it up, really working on getting that in order.

[893] And he's a smart guy.

[894] He's not going to jump into anything, like, kind of half -out.

[895] He'll have his striking in order for you as his first fight.

[896] He'll get some leg locks for sure in MMA.

[897] Well, he'll get a lot of chokes.

[898] He'll get all, everything.

[899] He's a bad motherfucker when it comes to Jiu -Jitsu and only getting better.

[900] I think the MMA fighters are always aware of trends, you know, and the big trend in Jiu -Jitsu, it's not like they're not going to pay attention to that.

[901] There's obviously a leg -lock bias going on right now in Jiu -Jitsu where people are training that really heavily.

[902] They realize I think there's a bunch of people kind of new leg -lock.

[903] and we're good at leg locks.

[904] But it seems like once Donahur and that crew got involved in it, there became like a whole new level of intensity when it comes to leg locks, right?

[905] Dan O 'Hur's crew, Gary Tonin, Eddie Cummings, and now Gordon Ryan, he just got his black belt from Tonin.

[906] And that all started from Dean Lister, right?

[907] That all started from Dean Lister.

[908] Yep, yep.

[909] Dean Lister went down to Henzos for a couple weeks, hung out with Dan and her, showed him on a lot of leg lock shit.

[910] I'm sure probably leg -locked a lot of the upper -level guys and made an impression.

[911] And then Dan O 'Hur being, like, you know, he's like an astrophysicist.

[912] He probably took that he probably took that shit that Dean Lister told him and just blew it up.

[913] He's such a wizard and just added so much stuff.

[914] And then Eddie Cummings is super smart too.

[915] So he's taking all the shit.

[916] Dan O 'Hur showed him and he's adding a lot of shit.

[917] That's it all on to Gary Tonin.

[918] And Gary Tonin already had rear naked chokes.

[919] He already had great defense His jiu -jitsu is solid as fuck He added leg locks Over the last few years And now fuck He's a fucking You wanna hear something even crazy than that I go to Donner I go how did Eddie Cummings hurt his leg He goes well he was rolling With some of the other students That we have in the gym That might be a little bit more advanced Than him with leg locks They just don't use them yet Or just they don't compete And I was like what You got guys in your gym That don't compete That are better than any Cummings At lead locks You know how scary that is?

[920] Yeah Oh, shit.

[921] How scary that is.

[922] But the way John Donaheur says it, very definitive.

[923] Perhaps we have guys that may be a little bit more advanced than him.

[924] They just, they don't compete.

[925] There's two kind of games now, man. There's that, because you can't shut down a leglock game, but you've got to have a solid, clinching, top, heavy game.

[926] You got to have that slow, smashing, destroying game to stop those leg locks.

[927] What's the best at stopping leg locks right now with that game?

[928] Well, I'd have to say I don't know who the best is, but I would say in Abu Dhabi, Lucas Lapri, he went against Gary Tonin, and he just hit him with a straight knee cut pass with that underhook and just didn't finish him, but he stayed out of leglock danger and he won't on points.

[929] When was this?

[930] His last year?

[931] This is his last year.

[932] That's impressive.

[933] So, I mean, technically he beat Gary Tonin.

[934] Technically, he avoided all the shit, smashed him down.

[935] I think he passed his guard.

[936] May have even took his back even to tell the truth.

[937] I don't remember.

[938] I shouldn't say that.

[939] But nonetheless, though, that's one kind of game right there because he for sure wasn't going to start playing leg locks with Gary Tonin.

[940] Fuck no. He knew the game was like, we got to stay away from that shit.

[941] And you got to be, you got to know how to stay away.

[942] and you've got to be able to put some heat on someone's leg locks.

[943] You've got to know how to get out of leg locks.

[944] If you're not working leg locks all the goddamn time, you're going to be so far behind.

[945] You really, really are.

[946] It's a whole new world growing out there.

[947] And in the sub -only world, the submission -only community, if you don't know leg locks, you will never survive.

[948] Isn't that interesting?

[949] You will never survive.

[950] So go back just to when you were competing in the tournament as a while.

[951] white belt and people screaming and booing when you're going for a leg lock.

[952] Could you imagine what it's like today, 2016?

[953] Nobody saw this coming.

[954] Yeah, yeah.

[955] But there's still tons of resistance on leg locks still.

[956] That's amazing.

[957] Yeah, there's still, there's still a jihitsu instructors out there posting the anti -leglock stuff.

[958] You know what?

[959] The problem is, it's the, the legs are the strongest muscles in the body, right?

[960] The legs are attached to the longest limbs.

[961] You can, you can move them in ways you can never move your arms you realize how limited your arms are when you're not using you know your your legs to go after legs and to hold positions you realize like how it's kind of silly almost to use your arms as opposed to your legs most of the community looks at it like in a negative way it's a positive thing you have you have a whole other game to learn it's a whole another game that's the problem they don't want to learn the whole new game they you know people get really good at one thing they get really good at one thing and then they want to stick quit that shit.

[962] Yeah, that's really what it is.

[963] You gotta get through that.

[964] Isn't that amazing, though, that the very thing that made Jiu -Jitsu so popular in the first place was that it had figured out a way to make something the most technically effective where a small guy like hoist can be a big guy like Dan Severin?

[965] Like, it was using the techniques that work.

[966] But then these new techniques at work, they're like, nope, I don't know those.

[967] No. You got to stick to the old shit.

[968] Only the old ones.

[969] Like, that's bullshit.

[970] We just got to figure out how to defend against these leg locks.

[971] Let's get the other boys.

[972] Let's work this through.

[973] Fuck this Muay kickbox and shit.

[974] That's never going to catch on.

[975] I mean, there was a lot of trends.

[976] There was a point in time where people weren't throwing any head kicks.

[977] Dean Lister's going to do this next, EBI, EBI 6.

[978] Dean Lister.

[979] Vinnie Magalash, who's one of those rare Brazilians, who's really into Samba, too.

[980] He's been preaching leg locks, and he's very good at leglocks.

[981] Very good.

[982] Yeah, amongst many other things.

[983] Vinny's good at everything.

[984] Vinny, we got Uri Samoas he's He's awesome He won Abu Dhabi right He was I don't know I don't remember I mean that's a shitty answer For someone who's putting him on the show All I know All I know is he's really good And he fought in Abu Dhabi And he's a 205 right Can you find that out Jamie You spell it Y -U -R -I Samones Y -U -R -I S -I -I -S -I -M -O -E -S Yuri Samoz Yeah, there's so much high -level talent now.

[985] Matthias Dines, he's from Marcello Garcia, he's in it.

[986] Bruno Bosto's is in it.

[987] These are like high -level dudes, man. Yeah, so if you listen, if you're thinking about, like, man, I never watched a jujuice tournament before, with the way these guys are talking about, it's making my dick hard.

[988] This is what you do.

[989] You go on UFC Fight Pass.

[990] If you don't have UFC Fight Pass, if you like fights, man, this is the, is this him?

[991] Yeah.

[992] Does it have a...

[993] He's one of the best guys in the world.

[994] Yeah.

[995] This next one, we're stacked now, we're stacked now, man. Yep, he won the Abu Dhabi, right?

[996] Does it say?

[997] Yeah.

[998] Did he win?

[999] Abu Dhabi champion, first thing.

[1000] Oh, shit.

[1001] I'm an idiot, dude.

[1002] He's a bad motherfucker.

[1003] Anyway, multiple time world champion as a purple belt and absolute.

[1004] He's just a bad motherfucker all around.

[1005] But what I was saying is if you've never watched a submission tournament, you've never seen guys try to submit each other, like, this sounds kind of interesting.

[1006] Get UFC Fight Pass.

[1007] I'm telling you, I don't want to be a, I don't want to sound like a shill.

[1008] I wish UFC would offer up like a free month of UFC Fight Pass so people would get addicted to it.

[1009] Yeah.

[1010] But if you're at home and you're bored and you're like, I don't know what to watch, what's on TV.

[1011] You just feel like vegging out in front of the television.

[1012] UFC Fight Pass will occupy your fucking time.

[1013] You can find the greatest fights of all time, all of them.

[1014] And we're doing five shows a year with them.

[1015] They want five, at least.

[1016] So we got to pump them out every two months.

[1017] And on top of that, you know, You've got the people that are UFC fans They're gonna leak into it You know that's a big one Yeah And they have a ton of different organizations as well They even have glory now Yep yep Yep yep So cool Um Gary Tonen and Eddie Cummings Are both in this absolute DJ Jackson Um Richie Martinez Amir Alam Rustam Chisiev He was in Abu Dhabi I think he was second or third This guy's is fucking That's a tank Resterer Rustam Chesiev He's got hair on his back He's just fucking Spell his name To Jamie So he just throws people up Yeah At R -U -S -T -A -M C -H -S -E -E -E -E -E -E -F C -H -S -E -E -V This guy's an animal Yeah He's like What everyone is afraid of When you think about Rust and wrestlers Yeah, exactly Everybody's afraid of a guy Who looks like He looks like a real live Wolverine Do you see the hair on his back?

[1018] He's got it on his back.

[1019] How big is he?

[1020] He's, dude, he's one of the...

[1021] Everyone's afraid of this dude.

[1022] Very hard to do anything to this guy.

[1023] And he keeps getting better and better.

[1024] He was in...

[1025] I think he was second or third in Abu Dhabi.

[1026] He's a fucking animal.

[1027] He's got hair on his back like a werewolf.

[1028] Look at his fucking back.

[1029] Nobody wants him, dude.

[1030] No one wants to be paired up with that guy.

[1031] I can't want to imagine.

[1032] He's really good, too.

[1033] His passing is getting spectacular.

[1034] I wonder how long a guy like that can be.

[1035] compete with that style we have like oh good no i was just gonna say like that kind of smashing crushing power style boy that's so taxing he used to he didn't used to pass as much he should just throw people around and get on top of him and wear him up but now he's really good at passing and finishing now he's yeah we got uh lucas rocha who's from gracie baha one of the top guys this this this is the most stacked we've ever been man this is super super stacked that's so awesome what a great way to kick it off yeah it's a great way to kick it off on fight pass it's gonna be fucking that's so fun isn't amazing that it just became something you know just I never planned on it man hasn't that how it works though that's how it works that shit that's this thing this podcast never planned on this either again yeah more shit like 10 planet wasn't even planned I know I have nothing about that I'm 32 years old I don't know none about no 10 10 plan on how crazy at 32 how crazy is it that we were like in love with that Zechari Hitching Guy's books, and now they think they might have actually found this planet.

[1036] Is that for real?

[1037] Oh, yeah.

[1038] I don't even pay attention to that.

[1039] They have no photographs of it, but they are pretty sure to the point where they're stepping out and saying there's a large planet probably about four times the size of Earth that's outside of our source.

[1040] That was conspiracy theory stuff.

[1041] No, not anymore.

[1042] It's real.

[1043] No, now it's mainstream scientists are saying this.

[1044] I think even Neil DeGrasse Tyson has addressed it.

[1045] People keep sending me shit, but I'm like, oh, it's another one of those things.

[1046] They're going to.

[1047] Here, Jamie will pull it up.

[1048] For real?

[1049] Well, Eddie turned me on to this.

[1050] He's like, dude, you ever heard her?

[1051] Zacharias hitching?

[1052] And we got so deep.

[1053] We used to do bong hits and talk about the Anunnaki and watch documentaries on it.

[1054] Some crazy stripper told me about him.

[1055] She's like, do you know that we used to mine world for gold?

[1056] And I'm like, Gina, what are you talking about?

[1057] Because why do you think we like gold so much?

[1058] We used to be slaves.

[1059] I'm like, oh my God, I just thought she was the craziest person ever.

[1060] And then I thought about it for five minutes.

[1061] I used to make music with her.

[1062] And I'm like, wait a minute.

[1063] It is kind of weird that the one fucking thing we all agree on is the gold is money.

[1064] That's the one thing we all agree on.

[1065] Nothing else.

[1066] Then I asked her, Gina, who is this guy who told you about this?

[1067] What is this guy's name?

[1068] And so she gave me his name.

[1069] I called him up.

[1070] I said, hey, I'm Gina's friend.

[1071] She said you were talking about some crazy motherfucker who wrote books about us being slaves and all that shit.

[1072] He goes, oh, yeah, some guy named him.

[1073] the Sitchin or Zacharias Sitchin and I'm like okay and I wrote it down then I looked into him and that's how I this is all pre -internet right it was that 99 2000 2000 it was 2000 you had the internet but it was harder to find shit back then the ninth planet does it exist a 10 ,000 year orbit in outer reaches of our solar system so they're trying to figure it out right now but um what they believe is, this is, they've been believing this for a while, is that apparently there's well, the reason why they declassified Pluto, they said that Pluto's not a planet anymore is because Pluto is a large body in the Kuiper Belt.

[1074] And the Kuiper Belt is a belt of just large asteroids and round things and shit floating around out there, which is really weird because the photos of Pluto that they've released recently, the really up -close photos that they just released, it's a fucking planet.

[1075] We're nitpicking here.

[1076] That's a goddamn planet.

[1077] don't think it's big enough to be a planet.

[1078] All right, whatever.

[1079] It looks like a fucking planet.

[1080] Pull up the photos of Pluto, the newest food.

[1081] They're amazing.

[1082] Yeah, exactly.

[1083] Have you seen them?

[1084] No, I haven't seen them, but to me it's like, it's there, right?

[1085] It's there.

[1086] You call it a planet.

[1087] You call it a dwarf.

[1088] You call it a dwarf, you call it.

[1089] You think they're going to call it a dwarf, you know, 10 ,000 years ago.

[1090] Yeah.

[1091] Who cares what you call it?

[1092] It's something.

[1093] It isn't like, oh, no, it never existed.

[1094] It was a black hole.

[1095] No, it's a body of mass. What they think is that there's so many of these out there.

[1096] They found another one.

[1097] Do you remember this?

[1098] one day.

[1099] Here it goes.

[1100] This is the photos.

[1101] Yeah, fine.

[1102] This is some of the photos.

[1103] I think those are color corrected to show like different things.

[1104] But there's some of the actual surface.

[1105] I think the far right one that you, uh, no, no, no, no, no. This is the moon, Jamie.

[1106] There's some, some from the far right one.

[1107] It says Pluto.

[1108] But that looks like the ones from that all images right there, that's Pluto?

[1109] The one down below above Planet X, that's Pluto?

[1110] It says Earth's Moon, though.

[1111] Yeah, but look, it shows all these different planets on this.

[1112] That's Earth's Moon.

[1113] Yeah, that's Google search, though, right?

[1114] Just go to the web search, the web search, and then just write recent photos of Pluto.

[1115] What is it, New Cassini?

[1116] Is that what it is?

[1117] It took the photographs?

[1118] What was the...

[1119] Yeah, the Cassini...

[1120] So there's a bunch of Pluto's, is what they're saying, right?

[1121] Yeah, there's a bunch of Pluto.

[1122] So they found another one.

[1123] You and I were at a bar once.

[1124] I remember this, because I saw it on my phone.

[1125] So it had to be an iPhone.

[1126] Someone had sent this to me, dude, you got to check this out.

[1127] I clicked on the link, and it went to a website that showed that there was a new planet.

[1128] And I was like, dude, they found it.

[1129] But it turned out it was right before they declassified Pulo.

[1130] They went, wait a minute, there's a bunch of these fucking things out there.

[1131] These aren't really planets.

[1132] And so they think, to make a long story short, there's a bunch of these things out there.

[1133] And then behind that is a thing called the galactic shelf, where it just drops off.

[1134] And that would indicate that there's a large, large mass. object out there, another planet.

[1135] What if they're like, there's nothing there?

[1136] Major, there's nothing that's just blackness.

[1137] What if, like, who knows like really what's out there?

[1138] You know, like scientists?

[1139] What do you mean?

[1140] Astronomers?

[1141] They have some pretty insane fucking telescopes now.

[1142] They can see some wild, wild shit.

[1143] They've identified hundreds of planets now, which is really weird because just a decade or so ago, they hadn't identified any outside of our solar system.

[1144] It's only hundreds?

[1145] I think it's probably hundreds.

[1146] Yeah, look at that.

[1147] Woo!

[1148] Look at the surface of that man that's crazy you could take a picture of Pluto yeah but look at it that is a circular round thing that looks like a planet so but whatever nitpicky that that's not a planet it's because there's a gang of those out there dude there's a gang of them they don't know how many there are they're going to find new ones this uh kiper belt there's a bunch of little tiny objects out there that are like Pluto size smaller than Pluto and they're i think they assume that they're going to find more because this object whatever it is it's outside outside like in the 10 ,000 year orbit around earth is big way bigger than us four times so it's outside all that those little ones outside all the little ones that's there's apparently there's a drop off there's like the belt I might be butchering this and if I am I apologize but what I've read and try to remember was that there's something called the galactic shelf and that would indicate something that has a lot of mass Something that has a lot of gravity Something that's big And so they think it's bigger than Earth I mean they're saying it's four times the size of Earth So it's something really big Just fucking nuts man It's just nuts to think there's another planet out there And what's even more nuts is What if there's fucking life forms on it What if this thing in this 10 ,000 year orbit around Earth Is heated by its core What if it gets its heat instead of from the sun What if it gets its heat internally and its life forces are all from it internally?

[1149] Maybe.

[1150] Imagine if that was a real story.

[1151] Imagine this Anunaki thing.

[1152] Everybody laughs out of it.

[1153] Everybody thinks it's funny.

[1154] But like when the 10 ,000 years rolls around, that motherfucker gets close, they really are a bunch of aliens living on that thing who made us.

[1155] Could you fucking imagine?

[1156] Nothing would ever mean anything again.

[1157] Your credit cards, how much gas is.

[1158] nobody would give a fuck it would all be so so back of your mind everything would be in the back of your mind except oh my god there's a planet out there and it's a bunch of fucking people who made us out of monkeys they came down they did genetic engineering experiments on monkeys just like we would do just like we would do if we if we've fucking found some planet in outer space especially if we were like scientists that were like thousands of years removed from us today like way way way way in the future maybe millions like a million years more evolved they look at these monkeys like we're just gonna help them out here it's gonna help them out we know where this is going anyway just grab them shoot some fucking woman where that'd be the the greatest thing to experience ever like what could you imagine how earth shattering it would be If there was a real life form from another planet that we could absolutely identify, a real civilization, and they were super advanced, and they were coming by to visit.

[1159] Jesus Christ, son.

[1160] I'd have some questions.

[1161] We have no idea what we're inside.

[1162] We have no idea what we're inside of.

[1163] No. Like, we're just, it's, you can't even, it's, it's, it's, aliens in space, and space.

[1164] is man remember how we were so into them like in the in the late 90 or the early 2000s yeah aliens were like fucking always on my mind yeah not anymore though I think it's because the history channel killed that that ancient aliens maybe that was the plan all along is you know what let's kill this whole fucking alien movement by putting it on history channel over and over again but what if I remember you called me up once man dude you called me up once It was a hilarious conversation.

[1165] You go, dude, I'm just not into fucking aliens anymore.

[1166] History Channel fucking killed it for me, man. Do you remember that?

[1167] Yeah.

[1168] How cool was that first season of ancient aliens, dude?

[1169] It was awesome.

[1170] Fuck, it was going mainstream.

[1171] Zacharias Hitchin went mainstream.

[1172] It was awesome, man. Oh, then they did another season.

[1173] Well, they just ran out of shit to talk about, unfortunately.

[1174] Did you start off as a special?

[1175] Did you start off as a special?

[1176] special?

[1177] Maybe.

[1178] Maybe then it turned into a series.

[1179] But fuck, those first ones are awesome, man. Boy, Sukolos.

[1180] He's awesome.

[1181] Oh, man. What was the last time we talked to him?

[1182] I haven't talked to him in a while, man. I wonder if the overall industry is kind of down.

[1183] He got upset when I was honest about, like, what I think about some of the stuff.

[1184] I just think, but some of it is just too bullshitty.

[1185] It's just too, it's like, could be.

[1186] It was aliens.

[1187] It's like, oh, come on, man. They went to, you guys, they're selling.

[1188] Yeah.

[1189] Look, there's a certain amount of that stuff that is absolutely fascinating.

[1190] When you look at some of the depictions of, like, aircrafts that, like, the Egyptians used to do, they used to make, like, these little model aircrafts with, like, a rudder.

[1191] What do you think is the most compelling evidence for you, if you had, like, a UFO skeptic right here, and you had, like, five minutes?

[1192] What's your go -to?

[1193] There's almost nothing.

[1194] Nothing, right?

[1195] Nothing.

[1196] That's what's fucked up.

[1197] There's nothing.

[1198] there's nothing there's nothing there's not one thing you can point to the disclosure project all the witnesses and stuff yeah that's interesting but they could all be crazy it could all be out of their mind you just never know you just never know there's all sorts of experiences that people can have too that are very very unusual weather condition things like ball lightning ball lightning is one that's really crazy because apparently there's swamp gas well there's ball lightning apparently moves like some alien spacecraft and apparently if you saw ball lightning and they've identified it it's like this really rare form of lightning that instead of coming down like really fast like a line it can move around and it's it's the same sort of idea it's like an electrical charge that breaks free you know i don't i'm not doing a good job of explaining it but i've seen videos on it and i've seen it explain and i think if you're flying around man and you saw that you'd probably think that was a UFO and if you saw a lot of the experimental aircraft that they did I talked about it with Shermer before you got here I think there's a lot of that stuff was just people seeing shit for sure most of the probably but the more the more um the more you get into how um fucked up like corporations are and how fucked up like we've been for so long the more you look at aliens like ah they are just just distracting us with the aliens They want us to think about fucking aliens.

[1199] You know what I mean?

[1200] It seems like a big distraction.

[1201] I think people love it.

[1202] I think that's why it's on.

[1203] I think it sells.

[1204] I don't even think they're trying to distract us.

[1205] I think it appeals to that archetype.

[1206] And it's one of the things that Shermer talked about before you got here in the earlier podcast.

[1207] We were talking about how it's like for a lot of people that are atheists that becomes their God.

[1208] And it kind of makes sense.

[1209] It's like, well, I don't believe in fairy tales, but I believe maybe we were created by aliens who ran experiments on monkeys and they're all written like how come we won't believe the bible but we believe the sumerian text well that's that's that's an easy question but how funny is that we don't we're not into the bible but we're into some with that those people were dummies but these people two thousand years before them dude they had it nailed what it is it's not gods it's aliens man they came for another planet well it all depends on the story yeah because an alien story actually kind of makes sense because we're just in space and shit.

[1210] There's a lot of politics and shit.

[1211] Look, I always think of it as would we do it?

[1212] Would we do it?

[1213] Do what?

[1214] Would we run experiments on some life form that we saw on some other?

[1215] Fuck, yeah, of course.

[1216] What do we do to monkeys?

[1217] We're doing them, we're just trying AIDS medicine on monkeys and shit.

[1218] We would do some weird shit with some monkeys from another planet too.

[1219] We're probably doing some weird ass shit on this planet that we don't know about.

[1220] Oh, for sure.

[1221] There's got to be clonium.

[1222] Men's everywhere.

[1223] Especially not in America, where you don't have any rules.

[1224] You know, like, you can go to some countries.

[1225] They'll do anything.

[1226] Like, China's started doing experiments on human embryos, like genetic experiments on human embryos.

[1227] Just raise hitmen.

[1228] You know what I mean?

[1229] Just genetically modified.

[1230] Supermen.

[1231] Yes.

[1232] Yeah, I mean, it's just a matter of time before they do something like that.

[1233] If they can do this genetic engineering and get through a few generations of it to the fact they got the kink signed out and start making a series of Alexander Corellins with an Einstein brain.

[1234] Yeah.

[1235] Can you imagine if they can have a brain beyond Einstein if you could create a human or a clone but you could do something so the brain develops like 10 times stronger and you're just like, you could read minds and shit.

[1236] Probably going to happen.

[1237] It's definitely going to happen.

[1238] And then when that does happen and we see some poor monkey on some other planet and we fucking flying around out there in space, we'd be like, let's fix that dude.

[1239] Just give them a little of our jizz.

[1240] Just squirt in there and see if you could figure it out from here.

[1241] Take that monkey, re -engineer it.

[1242] We give it a language.

[1243] They probably would have figured out language if you'd give them enough time.

[1244] Do you know they think that chimps are starting to enter into the Stone Age?

[1245] It looks like I was just watching a documentary of a monkey.

[1246] And everyone's seen those videos of monkeys with sticks and they're using it to eat ants and shit like that.

[1247] I was watching a video.

[1248] I was watching a video of a monkey who broke off a stick and started banging the bark to get some honey that was under the bark.

[1249] But the stick wasn't big enough.

[1250] So he throws it.

[1251] And then he helps him, grabs another one, carves it all out.

[1252] And then starts, pa, pa. Isn't that he should probably be using that as a weapon at this point if he's doing that?

[1253] You know what I mean?

[1254] What happens then when they learn how to use it as a weapon on each other and shit?

[1255] Well, what's amazing is what we're seeing is them learning it.

[1256] What if what we're seeing is like they, you know, when they're just starting to observe this now, what if in our lifetime they start using tools?

[1257] Yeah.

[1258] Like it seems like that's what's going on because they don't, either it's one of two things.

[1259] Either they just didn't have enough video of them back then and they didn't have enough people observing them to really realize they've probably been using these tools for a hundred years or so, or they just started doing it in our lifetime.

[1260] You know?

[1261] That could be possible.

[1262] Have you ever seen Snopes this?

[1263] I want you to Snopes this because I don't know if this is true.

[1264] There's an orangutan that's fishing with a spear.

[1265] He's hanging off of a fucking branch over this river, and he's got a spear.

[1266] There's a photo of it.

[1267] I just don't know if it's true.

[1268] It looks so good.

[1269] It's always one of those things.

[1270] Yeah.

[1271] It's one of those things That I've always wanted to Google And I'll get to that tomorrow I just never get to it I got other shit in my life to worry about But now that we're here People out these days But I remember I just remember So I have to get Do you see it Jamie?

[1272] I don't see it on Snopes But it says it's true Although the ape didn't sufficiently Didn't develop the skill enough To catch fish Whatever Show the picture This is what's crazy Look at this Come on son Are you fucking kidding me this is true okay if this is true that's a goddamn weapon that orangutan is sticking a long stick into the water trying to it's true although ape did not develop sufficient skill to catch any fish yet he's trying this is insane you would think humans would speed up that evolution right exactly man they're probably learning from watching fishermen and shit yeah I have to learn that water refraction thing and that might not be capable of doing that.

[1273] Oh, right.

[1274] Yeah, that's right.

[1275] Water refraction is, it's a big factor in bow fishing.

[1276] These people with fish with bows and arrows, when you look at a, like if you look at a fish, say if you look down in the water and you see like the fish would be where this laptop is, it's not really there.

[1277] It's like six inches lower than that.

[1278] But there's this weird refraction thing going on because you're looking through water.

[1279] So it's like looking through like a fun house mirror kind of.

[1280] So you have to learn how to shoot under And the orangutan might not be able to figure that out Very smart, Jamie Did you figure that on your own?

[1281] You fucking wizard Powerful Jamie Yeah, that's so That makes a lot of sense But how crazy is seeing him try that A orangutan by himself with a pole I mean he's not in a zoo He's not like at the circus Nobody taught him that Those things are smart as fuck man He's gonna be a crazy fucking karate dude He goes out to the jungle Starts teaching monkeys How do you Kendo Look at him Give them swords and shit.

[1282] You imagine if they got supplied the gorillas with swords?

[1283] Samurai swords.

[1284] I mean, that's planet of the apes is not that far off.

[1285] How hard it would it be to teach them?

[1286] Like if Jane Goodall got all evil and shit, she started teaching them how to fucking cut.

[1287] You know Jane Goodall believes in Bigfoot?

[1288] Does she?

[1289] Yeah, she might be great.

[1290] There's a comeback for Bigfoot right there.

[1291] She's not, not only does she believe, she's certain.

[1292] She's certain.

[1293] Is your videos they're talking about it?

[1294] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1295] Pull up Jane Goodall.

[1296] Gene Goodall believes in Bigfoot.

[1297] It's insane.

[1298] When you listen to it, she's way smarter than me, and she knows way more about primates than I do.

[1299] So I talk shit, and I say, I don't think Bigfoot's real.

[1300] He might be, but I don't think it's real.

[1301] But when I hear someone as smart as her who basically lives in the jungle, I mean, she's in the jungle so goddamn much, she might as well live in the jungle.

[1302] And this is what she says.

[1303] Listen to this.

[1304] Might not be her talking, we'll see.

[1305] No, I'm pretty sure it is.

[1306] I know you do wonderful chimp calls.

[1307] Well, I'm going to do the greeting.

[1308] It's the kind of sound you'd hear.

[1309] If you went to Gombe and you climbed up onto the ridge.

[1310] How long is this video?

[1311] Five minutes.

[1312] He was calling out saying, here I am.

[1313] It's a wonderful day.

[1314] Where are you?

[1315] And each one has his or her own individual voice.

[1316] So you know exactly who's calling.

[1317] Where's Bigfoot, bro?

[1318] It's a pleasure to speak with you.

[1319] I don't know if you believe there are any undiscovered part of our...

[1320] Oh, here it is.

[1321] You're talking about a Yeti or Bigfoot or Susqueholt.

[1322] Is that what he's talking about?

[1323] Yes, he is.

[1324] Pretty much.

[1325] I'm out of the loop.

[1326] Go ahead.

[1327] Well, now, you'll be amazed when I tell you that I'm sure that they exist.

[1328] I've talked to so many Native Americans who've all described the same sounds, two who've seen them.

[1329] There was a little tiny snippet in the newspaper just last week, which says that British scientists have found what they believed to be a Yeti hair.

[1330] and that the scientists in the Natural History Museum in London couldn't identify it as any known animal.

[1331] Did you always have this belief that they existed?

[1332] Well, I'm a romantic, so I always wanted them to exist.

[1333] Animals were my passion from even before I could speak, apparently.

[1334] I think that's it.

[1335] Well, a couple people told her that they saw one, so.

[1336] That's what she said.

[1337] She didn't see it.

[1338] She's been in the jungle for 75 years.

[1339] But they're not supposed to be in the jungle, where she goes.

[1340] They're supposed to be in the woods.

[1341] Where is, what did she say, the university of what?

[1342] See if you can figure out what she said, like what university is that is testing a Yeti hair?

[1343] Because I think that's bullshit.

[1344] I would have heard about that.

[1345] It's not a no...

[1346] Like, when I was on the sci -fi show, we tested some stuff.

[1347] We tested hair.

[1348] There's a guy, Todd Disotel, from one big university in New York City.

[1349] I forget which one.

[1350] NYU, I guess.

[1351] Yeah, I guess he's an NYU guy.

[1352] And I hope I'm not wrong, Todd.

[1353] But he's a geneticist.

[1354] And so we ran tests on feces and on hair.

[1355] And the hair was bare hair and the bear shit, too.

[1356] And maybe some dog hairs, too.

[1357] What made him think it was bigfoot shit?

[1358] Not him.

[1359] He didn't think it was at all.

[1360] I think we got bigfoot shit.

[1361] No, no, he's dedicated to disproving it.

[1362] But there was other scientists that gave us stuff.

[1363] That's the one I'm talking about.

[1364] Like, what made him think it was bigfoot shit?

[1365] It doesn't smell like bear shit, bro.

[1366] Smell it, smell it.

[1367] How would they know?

[1368] Maybe the bear had fucking bad fish or something.

[1369] Well, they can't even agree on what it eats.

[1370] They were so sure it was Bigfoot shit.

[1371] They can't agree on what Bigfoot eats.

[1372] I'm good.

[1373] Who the fuck discovered that Bigfoot shit?

[1374] We got to find that dude.

[1375] I met that dude.

[1376] I met that dude.

[1377] The guy that found the shit.

[1378] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1379] I had a conversation with him, too.

[1380] He's a nice guy.

[1381] He's a teacher.

[1382] Okay.

[1383] In a school.

[1384] Where did he find it?

[1385] In Oregon.

[1386] Found it out in the woods.

[1387] He's like, this has got to be Bigfoot shit.

[1388] I'm going to take it with me. I would think Bigfoot would lay logs, like this big as my thigh.

[1389] Just giant.

[1390] Like, you ever see an elephant take a shit and you see his asshole open up and you go, good Lord.

[1391] Just flopping out of there.

[1392] This giant asshole.

[1393] That's what I imagine from Bigfoot.

[1394] Do you believe that there are, you know, some people believe in Bigfoot, but they also.

[1395] believe in a different kind of Bigfoot.

[1396] It's like a different kind of like a Christian church.

[1397] It's like Lutheran.

[1398] They believe, yes, we believe in Bigfoot, but we believe it's an interdimensional being.

[1399] I've heard that one.

[1400] What do you think the chances of that being real?

[1401] Probably 100%.

[1402] Dude, it's not just Bigfoot.

[1403] Listen, bro.

[1404] I don't believe it's interdimensional.

[1405] I believe it's real, okay?

[1406] I got to stop you right here, bro.

[1407] I'm one eighth Native American.

[1408] My grandmother's side.

[1409] And those are people, our people have long known of the existence of what we call the Omar.

[1410] I have a bunch of different names for it.

[1411] You know what?

[1412] Oman is a new name.

[1413] Every time I go up to Oregon and Washington or do a seminar, I ask the guys by show of hands who believes in Bigfoot.

[1414] And most of them do.

[1415] Most of them do.

[1416] Yeah, well, keep them up there.

[1417] Most of them have heard stories, you know.

[1418] I believed in it for the longest time.

[1419] And I don't disbelieve in it today.

[1420] I don't disbelieve in it, but that's one you can make fun of.

[1421] But if they found Bigfoot, I wouldn't be like, oh, fuck.

[1422] I'd be like, oh, shit, that's real.

[1423] I definitely don't disbelieve in it.

[1424] And you know what?

[1425] And I'll just say it.

[1426] I think maybe he is interdimensional, you know what I mean?

[1427] That's my gut feeling.

[1428] I'm going with my instincts.

[1429] Bro, you know, you can take your science, but the other day, it's all about faith, bro.

[1430] It's all about knowing in your heart.

[1431] It makes sense.

[1432] That's why you can't find.

[1433] I find him.

[1434] Motherfucker just disappears.

[1435] I know in my heart and I'll defend it with my life.

[1436] That's the only fucking answer.

[1437] I know, bro.

[1438] It's interdimensional, bro.

[1439] That's what I'm thinking, bro.

[1440] That's why they can't find him.

[1441] You can't put Bigfoot on camera, bro.

[1442] He knows about cameras.

[1443] It's not going to happen, man. He's not going to appear where's a camera or disbelief.

[1444] Just because he doesn't want to close doesn't mean he's primitive.

[1445] He's super intelligent.

[1446] They know you don't believe, bro.

[1447] He's at one with nature.

[1448] He's not going to be near you unless you're pure.

[1449] He's super intelligent.

[1450] You can't find him.

[1451] You've got to live with the society.

[1452] Sasquatch for them to...

[1453] Bigfoot, don't shit you in.

[1454] There's a bunch of dudes who've claimed to have had, like, friendships with Sasquatches.

[1455] Like, they move into the woods, and they stay there for months at a time.

[1456] And then they tell people they've had these stories.

[1457] And there's video recordings of what they call samurai talk.

[1458] You want to hear audio recordings that people think is a Sasquatch?

[1459] You want to laugh?

[1460] You ready to laugh hard?

[1461] I could do Sasquatch.

[1462] She didn't say it was at a university.

[1463] It's the Natural History Museum in London.

[1464] Okay.

[1465] Oh, okay.

[1466] No, no, no, no. Eddie, you kill me. Isn't that big foot?

[1467] Jesus Christ.

[1468] No. That's Bigfoot.

[1469] You just made that up.

[1470] You can't just make a noise and say it's big foot.

[1471] They have a, it's the dumbest recording ever.

[1472] Samurai chatter.

[1473] Listen to this.

[1474] Get ready for this shit.

[1475] You're going to boil gasket.

[1476] We had to analyze this on the show.

[1477] This is how, when I knew my show was retarded.

[1478] Listen to this.

[1479] and he was there one time with a friend and every evening they used to hear some absolutely bizarre noises and calls and they couldn't figure out what the hell it was and so they took up a tape recorder one time and this is what they recorded okay it is very bizarre indeed We decided to record the CD and a cassette available to people Oh, what a good move I do believe these creatures are trying to communicate with us though And we as we speak are having the linguistics people look into it They are very encouraged What they're saying so far is that humans Nobody's looking into that shit The range supersedes, what a human can do.

[1480] The range supersedes were shown by a previous study at the University of Wyoming to be spontaneous and no signs of being re -recorded or pre -recorded at altered speeds.

[1481] So the idea of a hopes is very improbable as far as professionals are concerned at this time.

[1482] What year was this?

[1483] That they made this video?

[1484] Got uploaded, 2013?

[1485] Look at that.

[1486] does anything look more like a man in a monkey shoot in that picture but here's the thing imagine if they really did sound like that I mean what does chimp sound stupid too if you heard that but like more complicated with an actual language like dolphin noises sound stupid if dolphins didn't make those noises and you heard the dolphin noise like you'd be like that's not a language what is that how weird Imagine if that shit's real.

[1487] Could you imagine?

[1488] There's like 20 of them.

[1489] They're all just living deep, deep, deep in the woods.

[1490] What's more believable?

[1491] Bigfoot or Loch Ness?

[1492] I think Loch Ness is probably a really big fish.

[1493] Like some kind of really big fish, like a sturgeon or some shit.

[1494] Something really big that there's not that many of them.

[1495] You see that video of that guy petting a great white shark?

[1496] a great white shark just yeah it's on my Instagram oh really yeah yeah yeah maybe I saw it on your Instagram you might have yeah that's insane that's crazy weirdest fucking videos I've ever seen in my life like I don't know how like it's like a little great white plan it's like yeah it's coming out of the water and he's touching its nose whoa I know what the fuck no wonder pirates are fucking scared and shit you know what I mean they probably dealt with that shit on the daily oh my god can you imagine can imagine a pirate fucking ends up on On the coast of South Africa.

[1497] Oh, my God.

[1498] Dude, the story's there.

[1499] Yeah, that's a crazy spot, right?

[1500] They're just a shitload of them there.

[1501] Look how insane this is.

[1502] This is so insane.

[1503] It just keeps opening its mouth and those gums.

[1504] Look at the gums and these fucking destructor teeth.

[1505] They are scarier than any monster in any movie ever.

[1506] And they're 100 % real.

[1507] Look at the fucking teeth on that thing, man. I mean, what the hell?

[1508] and they fly out of the water Oh my God Oh my God Those things are so insane Just imagine that Clamping down on you I mean it's it's cartoonish A shark's teeth are Cartoonish They're giant swords Serrated edge swords And there's rows of them in their mouth So if one snaps off Another one moves forward What a just spectacular secular animal just one of the craziest creations of nature or Thor did he make sharks was it Odin who makes the sharks who makes sharks yeah if it was a god which god would make sharks oh I don't know that's a good question that fucking thing I can't watch this Jamie I'm freaking out if I had if I had a hundred trillion dollars I'd build this fucking instead of an octagon it's just this giant fucking ocean and put Great White and Killer Whale in there to fight?

[1509] Killer Whales win every time.

[1510] Do you think so?

[1511] Every time?

[1512] Yeah, every time.

[1513] Great Whites are not smart, and they're not nearly as mobile.

[1514] They're not smart.

[1515] They just swim around.

[1516] How do you think you would dump them in the tank?

[1517] What would happen?

[1518] You never seen videos of killer whales?

[1519] How long would you think it would take before the killer whale attack the Great White?

[1520] You just dump them.

[1521] Quick.

[1522] In a big tank.

[1523] Would you pay to watch that?

[1524] You could watch it on YouTube.

[1525] I'm going to make this.

[1526] No, but there's never any good video of it.

[1527] I would never put...

[1528] There's no good video of a killer whale jack and...

[1529] It's like splashy and shit.

[1530] I would say yes, but you can never put a killer whale on a tank.

[1531] I think putting a killer whale on a tank is just beyond...

[1532] For ten minutes.

[1533] No, no, no, no. You can't do that.

[1534] You can't force it to fight.

[1535] I think it's like forcing a person to fight.

[1536] It's like picking up a slave.

[1537] With money, you can do anything.

[1538] Okay.

[1539] Well, you're going to go in a helicopter and pick up some guy from the middle of the fucking Bornyan jungle and make him fight in a cage fight.

[1540] Would you do that?

[1541] Would you drop him in there with a guy who's trying to kick his ass?

[1542] Or drop it in there with a wild dog or something crazy That wouldn't be that exciting I'm talking about the most exciting Possible match.

[1543] I know, but what I'm saying is dolphins and whales And killer whales are too smart It's fucked up to do that to them Oh, I see what you're saying That's why I would never do it.

[1544] A great way would never have a shot Never shot Maybe they get a fucking a rabid one from South Island They got to find a good one We found a good, we found a gamer Killer whales I think they could definitely get the babies Maybe you get a dumb killer whale Or a baby killer whale And a fucking full grown ferocious Great Wight This is the most ridiculous fucking conversation Probably the Great White would bite right through it Right?

[1545] If it was a baby But when they're grown fully grown adults I think killer whales are bigger And they're way smarter They're just way smarter And they just go right after the sharks They go after them and decide to fuck them up The video is this Apparently they were watching a mother And her daughter or her son You know the mother and her baby and a killer whale The killer whale was swimming around with its baby And the shark showed up And the killer whale was like Hold on, I'll be right back Just went and fuck that thing up They got that on video?

[1546] Yeah, they got it on video And then I think the killer whale Brought the shark up Didn't it bring the sharks back Can you see anything?

[1547] I'm trying to look it up now They're like at a recreated thing of it Oh really?

[1548] Because it wasn't that There's no way they could have a fucking video camera down there Yeah look how much bigger it is See that's what it showed at the end This is the dead shark at the end.

[1549] So this is the killer whale biting the fucking shit out of that shark.

[1550] They just don't have real good footage of how it went down.

[1551] That's footage from some Discovery Channel show.

[1552] They just pieced in.

[1553] Probably, right?

[1554] They do that shit all the time.

[1555] Dude, now when I'm watching the fucking Discovery Channel, it's like, you, like, dude, there's no way you got that shot.

[1556] You got that whole thing happening.

[1557] You see it now.

[1558] It seems fake now.

[1559] It seems like.

[1560] You see it now.

[1561] Yeah.

[1562] But killer whales versus sharks, I think, unless the shark is really big and the killer whale is really young.

[1563] And the killer whales is just way too smart.

[1564] They're like a person almost.

[1565] Just they don't move like us.

[1566] So we don't consider them like us.

[1567] But they have crazy languages.

[1568] Great White versus dolphin.

[1569] They kill dolphins.

[1570] They eat them.

[1571] Great whites kill dolphins.

[1572] They eat them.

[1573] Fuck, I didn't know that.

[1574] It's bullshit.

[1575] They kill them.

[1576] I thought they fucked sharks up.

[1577] They do.

[1578] They fucked dolphins up, too.

[1579] Chips, remember what show was it?

[1580] Let me make sure I'm correct about them eating them.

[1581] I know they kill them.

[1582] How could they catch a dolphin?

[1583] Maybe they don't eat them.

[1584] They kill them.

[1585] Dude, I'm telling you, they definitely kill dolphins.

[1586] They kill whales, too.

[1587] No, not Great Whites.

[1588] No, Orcas.

[1589] Did we say Great Whites?

[1590] Yes.

[1591] Oh, okay, I knew the Killer Whales.

[1592] Yeah, Killer whales.

[1593] Yes, for sure.

[1594] Great whites do, too, if they can.

[1595] If they can get them.

[1596] I was talking about Great Whites.

[1597] Oh, my God, I'm tired.

[1598] I thought you said, that's so stupid.

[1599] I thought you said Killer Whales.

[1600] but for sure a great white ain't going to kill no dolphin right a great white they can yeah if they bite them yeah they can get them if they fuck up if somebody fucks up but i think that the size difference between killer whales and great whites is just too big but it's just very disappointing when you find out that great whites are that killer whales rather not great whites i keep saying great whites the killer whales are killing dolphin and they kill other whales too yeah like uh you know the arctic the north pole's melting well there's like uh these there's like uh these these whales about there that killer whales can't get to because the ice they can hang in the ice because they don't have a dorsal fin or something and they could swim through the ice but now that all the ice is gone killer whales are coming up to eat them yeah is that crazy so they're eating other whales so much that it's fucking up the eskimo economy because they rely on those uh because they kill those whales but now the killer whales are killing the whales they kill isn't that nuts they rely on whales they kill yeah god so they need help they need to do something about the killer whale problem how many people are up there did they like it up there there's people that are living off wales are they enjoying themselves what is it what keeps about there there's no fence there's not a fence right i mean they stay it's fucking they should come to phoenix a hundred below zero they're like we're just gonna tough it out just not good too it's not good like as far as like the way their their their health is well it doesn't the population doesn't grow out there it's always said i think kids end up graduating and saying fuck that like Curtis Hembrough, Ted Planet, Austin head instructor from Alaska.

[1601] They all get the fuck out.

[1602] They don't stay.

[1603] Well, Alaska is one thing.

[1604] Like, Anchorage is badass.

[1605] But this is like where the people are eating whales and shit, they're like north of that.

[1606] You know, they're like way up there.

[1607] They're like in the frozen parts.

[1608] Anchorage is actually close to the coast, so it's not a bad place to live.

[1609] Yeah.

[1610] I've never been to Anchorage.

[1611] It's fucking great, man. Is it like Vancouver?

[1612] Like a colder Vancouver where it's only dark.

[1613] for like an hour in the summer it's weird you go outside of like four o 'clock in the morning it's bright out bright out like five o 'clock at night bright out and it's like four in the morning you're like what the fuck is going on here i got a little of that in Sweden because when you go to Sweden it's kind of north so it's like uh the sun's still out and it's 11 o 'clock at night right and the sun is still you know in your face but i didn't uh I've never been that north never been to Alaska it's crazy up there you did comedy up there yeah did comedy in Anchorage Ari.

[1614] It's beautiful.

[1615] People are badass, too.

[1616] You get in some bow and arrowing?

[1617] No, we were fishing.

[1618] We went salmon fishing while we're up there.

[1619] It's beautiful, man. Just beautiful.

[1620] That was the first time I saw an actual live in the flesh eagle, like outside of the zoo.

[1621] Like watching a big -ass eagle fly right over your head is a trip.

[1622] We had an eagle fly, you know, shit, 100 yards over our head.

[1623] They'll take a baby, won't they?

[1624] They probably avoid people But if you leave your kid out in the lawn Yeah Yeah If you just stand back and if they're hungry Especially if there's something wrong with them Like they're too tired to go get a salmon And they're getting old I mean eagles get old too That's when like a lot of animals get dangerous When they get older like cats Big cats they get dangerous They get older they can't catch dogs anymore You know and they're fucking hungry man They're got to figure something out fucking eagle taking your baby can you imagine how you'd feel you're looking up you've seen an eagle fly off with your kid there's that video right that's fake it's it ended up being fake I think I believed it I believed it I believed that just like I believe the orangutan fishing video oh man oh wait a minute so it's not real no it is it is real he just didn't didn't pull it off but it really was trying to do it the orangutan was yeah man there's just so many videos like that and so many it's hard to know what is right and what's not, you know?

[1625] With the photoshopping skills like Photoshop's team.

[1626] Oh, my God.

[1627] Oh, man, that guy's obsessed.

[1628] He's so good.

[1629] Like, things like that, right?

[1630] Like, you look at those pictures, like, okay, that could be real or not real.

[1631] You know, it's so good.

[1632] Photos don't mean shit.

[1633] You have photo evidence, really, really do.

[1634] Well, when is it going to be?

[1635] How long is it going to be before?

[1636] We, I guess it's probably already happened, right?

[1637] where they've proven that photographs that are used in propaganda are faked.

[1638] It must have happened.

[1639] Didn't it happen like during the Iraq war.

[1640] Wasn't there like some faked photos of missiles or something like that?

[1641] God damn it.

[1642] I bet they do this shit all the time.

[1643] They green screen and they pretend they're in Lebanon and shit when they're really in Virginia.

[1644] They've been busted.

[1645] Pretending they're in the Iraq war and bombs are going off and they got helmets on and shit.

[1646] They have been busted doing that.

[1647] Yeah, they have.

[1648] Yeah.

[1649] It's like on YouTube.

[1650] They left the cameras rolling for The tape is like an hour You can go on YouTube CNN During the 91 Operation Freedom War They were fake in the news That's so funny It's so ridiculous You know what And good for them They're supposed to be doing that shit They're supposed to be doing that shit You run that empire You know what I mean?

[1651] I don't think that's what they're doing man They're trying to put together They're saving money They're cutting their entertainment man They're trying to put together entertainment.

[1652] Hey, what about Operation Mockingbird?

[1653] You take that, that was real.

[1654] And that was a real...

[1655] Which one was that?

[1656] The CIA infiltrating, broadcasting and journalism and they take, for propaganda purposes.

[1657] This is a real operation.

[1658] Well, there's been some real operations that are undeniable, that are pretty fucking crazy.

[1659] And then how crazy is it that at CNN you know that's it's rumored that based on how they present stuff like that's based on how it's going down what they show and what they're pushing and based on the agenda you know any any retard will say now you can't believe Fox News even retards say that even retard say you can't believe Fox News everybody knows that well CNN's just like that it's just the other side so that's easy to believe and then Anderson Cooper was in the CIA he denied it for a long time then he came out and said I was just there for a summer well he was like an intern Right.

[1660] Is that what he said?

[1661] Once you're in, you're in, you're in.

[1662] He's in, da -da -dun, you're in.

[1663] He was in.

[1664] How can you deny it at first?

[1665] And then his family comes from super wealthy background, the Vanderbiltz and all that shit.

[1666] It's all connected.

[1667] It's like, I don't know, man. I was going to say the other one that's really crazy is Operation Midnight Climax.

[1668] You ever hear about that one?

[1669] Nope.

[1670] The government ran brothels in San Francisco in New York, and they got, guys who came in to get laid and they dosed them with LSD so they could study them That's not a conspiracy theory No, no, that's real.

[1671] That's 100 % real Freedom of Information Act.

[1672] Operation Midnight Climax, how the CIA dose San Francisco citizens with LSD.

[1673] Now how crazy does that sound?

[1674] How crazy?

[1675] If we said that happened today, like what's going on today, it would be thought as a crazy man. But it's happened before unless that's not true.

[1676] No, no, this is true.

[1677] Well, then it happened before.

[1678] Yeah.

[1679] How come it happen again?

[1680] Blow this up a little bigger so I can read it.

[1681] Here it goes.

[1682] You're crazy if you think they'll do it again.

[1683] Lift it up so you consider nuts.

[1684] That's crazier than any conspiracy, I believe, and that's the craziest one.

[1685] Listen to what it says.

[1686] It's been over 50 years, but Wayne Ritchie says he can still remember how it felt to be dosed with acid.

[1687] He was drinking bourbon and soda with other federal officers on a holiday party in 1957 at the U .S. Post Office building on 7th and Mission Streets.

[1688] They were cracking jokes and swapping stories.

[1689] Suddenly the room began to spin.

[1690] The red and green lights on the Christmas street.

[1691] tree in the corner spiraled wildly.

[1692] Ritchie's body temperature rose.

[1693] His gaze fixed on the dizzying colors around him.

[1694] He got jacked.

[1695] Somebody dosed him.

[1696] But that's not, this is in, this guy is not the guy.

[1697] I think this is, he's talking about being dosed at a party.

[1698] He's not talking about Operation Midnight Climax, is he?

[1699] Because Midnight Climax was about brothels.

[1700] That's why they were calling it Operation Midnight Climax.

[1701] And they figured these guys...

[1702] But this guy's talking about getting, feeling the...

[1703] Yeah, he definitely, well, he's a...

[1704] Let's see here.

[1705] Anyway, he was high.

[1706] They were participating against their will in these studies is what it was, essentially, whatever.

[1707] Just go Google into it, look into it, folks.

[1708] Google into it.

[1709] I don't think that's a real term.

[1710] But it's really interesting because what had happened was they were doing these studies on soldiers and they just couldn't get people to do it anymore.

[1711] People were like, get the fuck out of here.

[1712] Like, they didn't want to do it anymore.

[1713] So then they just started to figure, well, let's just try it on some other people.

[1714] They figured if they did it in a whorehouse, nobody would say anything.

[1715] You know, guys don't want to admit they were there in the first place.

[1716] Just dose them up with acid.

[1717] They walk out of there all crazy.

[1718] Not stupid.

[1719] Smart.

[1720] God damn it.

[1721] They do a lot of smart fucking shit.

[1722] God damn it.

[1723] It's all set up so brilliantly.

[1724] I mean, just the fact, everybody knows that there's corruption at the top levels in the CIA.

[1725] Not everybody, but there's a lot of corrupt.

[1726] Everybody knows that.

[1727] And it's okay.

[1728] It's like the people that are really running shit, like the corporations and the international bankers, like, they, the CIA is right there with nobody to sue, no one to throw in jail, no one's accountable.

[1729] It's just right there.

[1730] They're involved in all their shit, just like what you're just supposed.

[1731] They're involved in that shit.

[1732] No one's accountable.

[1733] Well, you know what I think is going to happen?

[1734] What I see as possible to happen, the same thing that's happening with performance -enhancing drugs in the UFC.

[1735] that was someone like Jeff Novitsky, when they have these USADA guys that are just showing up at your house, 4 o 'clock at the morning, taking random tests.

[1736] They have all these crazy things they could test for that no one even knew about, you know?

[1737] So slowly but surely, everybody's forced to be natural and compete naturally.

[1738] And that's what we're seeing right now in the UFC.

[1739] It's just too risky.

[1740] They're too good.

[1741] They're too sophisticated, right?

[1742] So as far as we know, everybody's fighting natural.

[1743] But we also know that they definitely didn't They cheated like a motherfucker Everybody did And other organizations we know it We know guys who did it We know guys that would just be juiced out of their fucking mind And everybody else was juiced out of their mind too And that's how the game was being done Everybody was competing on that level So we know that So in a lot of ways I think That's because of something like You know The new understanding of how to test people And something like the UFC Hiring Ovidsky to go after this right But that's dangerous Right?

[1744] It's information.

[1745] All that information as it does come out, they're forced to do it straight and narrow.

[1746] I think that's going to be the case with government at a certain point in time.

[1747] I think the people that are making a fuck load of money in corporations are going to make a fuck load of money anyway.

[1748] But they're not going to be able to manipulate environmental laws the way they're doing now and get away with it.

[1749] It'll be more transparent.

[1750] They're not be able to influence politicians to influence laws to make it favor their business.

[1751] It just won't be able to do it so easily.

[1752] I think there's always going to be money to be made.

[1753] There's always going to be people buying cars and buildings and it's so they're always always going to be commerce but i think they'll be less fuckery in the future that's what i think corporate fuckery they're still gonna make a ton i don't think i don't think you can hide things forever when it comes to like some of the practices that some corporations that are unscrupous will engage in that aren't necessarily ethical like how about the BP oil spill right like how about how the other you know the way they cleaned it up and And they made people, there was people in that town that, I mean, what, how much of a loss was that to them?

[1754] How could you possibly compensate them for that?

[1755] I don't know too much about the BP oil spill.

[1756] BP oil spill is pretty fucking crazy.

[1757] I know it killed the Gulf and all that, but I don't know the details.

[1758] I don't know there was some kind of, you know, of the rapport.

[1759] I don't know anything about, I haven't looked into it.

[1760] It was one of those things that they pulled the oil out of the ground, those platforms exploded.

[1761] It was exploded.

[1762] Killed a lot of animals and ruined a lot of industry.

[1763] Shooting fucking oil into the ocean.

[1764] Yeah.

[1765] It's crazy.

[1766] It's amazing how many gallons were being pumped into the ocean.

[1767] And even more amazing how the ocean just sort of absorbs it.

[1768] What do you think of Trump?

[1769] That's a long question.

[1770] I don't know if we have time for this.

[1771] I think it's, this is a strange time.

[1772] It's a strange to see a president that is, okay.

[1773] Whatever you like him or don't like him, whether you support his beliefs or you think he's the worst thing ever, I'm just looking at it as objectively, like as a performance piece.

[1774] There's never been a guy that understands how to manipulate the media the way he does.

[1775] Never.

[1776] No one even close.

[1777] Everything he does is a big story.

[1778] He says outrageous things, and because he says outrageous things, they tune in to make sure he says more outrageous things.

[1779] The more outrageous things he says, the more people go, he's saying outrageous things.

[1780] Let's tune in.

[1781] He's the biggest show in town.

[1782] Like, it's not even close.

[1783] It's not even close who generates more attention.

[1784] Who's got people more riled up about him.

[1785] People are bored as fuck.

[1786] They're bored.

[1787] They're bored.

[1788] They hired Obama.

[1789] They thought everything was going to change.

[1790] And it, I guess, did a little in some fronts.

[1791] And it was good socially.

[1792] And the world's evolving in that way in that direction anyway.

[1793] that's all good.

[1794] But Guantanamo Bay still open.

[1795] People are still in Afghanistan.

[1796] It seems like the, you know, it's still chaos everywhere.

[1797] I don't know if anybody could have ever fixed it, right?

[1798] We're just bored.

[1799] We're bored.

[1800] Like, what is this?

[1801] What are we doing?

[1802] What is this world?

[1803] Why are we in the Middle East?

[1804] What is going on?

[1805] Why don't have to worry about war?

[1806] Why don't have to worry about gas?

[1807] Why don't have to worry about global warming?

[1808] What's going to happen with the polar bears?

[1809] God damn it.

[1810] And then all of a sudden this guy comes along telling you how big his dick is.

[1811] He says, I'm going to build up a fuck wall a million miles high, keep the Mexicans out.

[1812] It sounds like Joey Diaz.

[1813] The first wall they built, they didn't finish.

[1814] Yeah.

[1815] They already put up a wall.

[1816] It's crazy.

[1817] And everybody cheers.

[1818] You know, and the Mexican president calls me up and says, who's going to pay for that wall?

[1819] You're going to pay for that wall.

[1820] And the wall just got 10 feet higher.

[1821] He hangs up the phone and everybody's cheering.

[1822] He pulls his dick off.

[1823] He just jerks off from the front.

[1824] He really said that?

[1825] Yes.

[1826] Yeah, he told the guy, the wall just got 10 feet higher.

[1827] You know what I told him?

[1828] The wall just got 10 feet higher.

[1829] And everybody goes, yeah.

[1830] Oh, I would love to see that clip.

[1831] Can you find that clip?

[1832] He's like a movie from the 80s.

[1833] And yesterday, the top person, President of Mexico, said, we will never, ever pay for that wall.

[1834] And the press called me up.

[1835] And they said Calderon, the head man, top person.

[1836] He said he won't pay.

[1837] He won't pay for it.

[1838] And you know what I said?

[1839] I said, the wall just got 10 feet higher.

[1840] He fucked it up by keep saying it's true It's true, it's true He's so strange It's just so bizarre I feel like I feel like almost like I'm watching Like one of them late night Televangelis shows When somebody wants your money Like you can't have my money Look at you You already have money You can't get my money It feels like it's fake It feels like this is the final piece Of the simulation theory Yeah The final piece of the show where it's going to reveal that this has all been a comedy all along, all been a strange comedy.

[1841] I mean, do you think he's really...

[1842] He's better than the other ones, except for Bernie.

[1843] He's better than all the other people on the Republican side.

[1844] I mean, Marco Rubio seems like a reasonable guy in a lot of ways, the way he talks.

[1845] I don't know exactly what his beliefs are, but him and Trump, they get into these insult competitions, and it looks so foolish.

[1846] It's like, just because Trump does it, just don't do it better than him.

[1847] Don't do it better than him.

[1848] Talk about how ridiculous it is.

[1849] And don't allow that guy to like, they're talking about how big his hands are and they're going back and forth with each other and insulting his hair and insulting his spray tan.

[1850] Like, they're like, it's like they're roasting against each other.

[1851] Like, this is not presidential.

[1852] Like, you understand you guys have a limited amount of time.

[1853] And this way they're doing it.

[1854] The fake tan.

[1855] Yeah.

[1856] And Trump was bagging on Rubio wearing men.

[1857] makeup.

[1858] The whole thing is ridiculous.

[1859] Like, this is a terrible way to have these people together.

[1860] Like, to have these people all competing, then what you're going to get is who's the best at, like, giving you a sound bite under pressure.

[1861] You're not going to get who's the best leader.

[1862] You're going to get, so who's the best at doing that debate thing?

[1863] That's what you're going to get.

[1864] Because it's a weird thing.

[1865] You're standing up there on a podium.

[1866] You're right next to a guy who's talking shit about you.

[1867] What he's saying is not even true.

[1868] And you're like, you can't even respond.

[1869] You've got to wait.

[1870] Like, fuck you, man. It's a stupid way to talk.

[1871] And the fact that they time them, they give them like, ready you go.

[1872] No, this is what you do.

[1873] You let them talk for a long period of time.

[1874] If they're long -winded and boring people don't like them anymore.

[1875] That's what happens.

[1876] You put them in a long form.

[1877] Have them talk for hours and hours.

[1878] Let them talk on a podcast.

[1879] Every fucking presidential candidate should have a long -form podcast that they have to do every day.

[1880] And we see whether or not people want to listen to you, not like have someone barking at you on the left and borrow.

[1881] Tell me what the fuck you can do.

[1882] And And then have someone talk to them that understands what can and can't be done.

[1883] Have someone who's a real political expert sitting down and asking them some hard questions and do it all the time.

[1884] And that and based on that and their qualifications, but based on like back and forth bullshit bickering with each other and insulting each other on our spray tans and you're, that's so crazy.

[1885] This is the, you guys are going to run the greatest army of the world has ever known and you're acting like assholes.

[1886] This is so stupid.

[1887] Like this isn't just like a bunch of guys, you know, trying to win a game show.

[1888] This is, if you win, you run the world.

[1889] Like, and you're insulting each other on makeup and tan?

[1890] You should be saying, do you know how fucking stupid it is that we're talking about?

[1891] We have a five -minute time period that you get to talk in or whatever the fuck it is.

[1892] And you're going to spend your time insulting each other on hand size and you guys are babies.

[1893] You know you can't be the king.

[1894] No, you guys are not the best.

[1895] There's no way you could be the best.

[1896] So, like, he is involved in that.

[1897] And Ted Cruz is, like, super religious, which always makes me go, man, I don't know about that.

[1898] Ben Carson is super reasonable, but super religious.

[1899] Trump is the guy that stands out is at least he's a rich guy that doesn't give a fuck.

[1900] Are there anything, any good things that Trump says that you agree with?

[1901] You know what, man?

[1902] I honestly have been so blown away by the bad things that he said that I've barely paid attention to the good things.

[1903] But the shit that he said about Mexico Well, someone's doing all the raping Like, you know, bringing over murderers and rapists And I was like, oh my God Like you just That's a whole country You're talking about millions of people You're talking about, you know, like Well, someone's doing the raping He says some crazy shit And it works, man, it works As far as like if it's all a PR campaign And he just gets in there And he says, ladies and gentlemen, look, I said what I said And I did what I did to prove a point That our media system is corrupt This whole system is broken It needs to be fixed It's like a bad computer It needs to be rebuilt This is not good Like you can't have a guy Just juke the system Like I just did That would be the most amazing thing If he gets into office He says this is a very important position So no more insults, no more bullshit And now that I'm here I'm gonna just hire the best people We'll try to figure out What the fuck's wrong with this country How amazing would that be We said look I had to insult these dummies In order to get in there I couldn't let Hillary talk shit I had to go in there guns blazing I had to take out Ben Sanders And fucking Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio But now that all that's done we can all work together what do you think of Hillary what is your opinion I don't I don't know I don't know how you can be entrenched in the system for as long as she's been entrenched in the system and not be not be the past that's the system right the system is these special interest groups and lobbyists and you know making deals and having you know sitting down with all these people with these In one hand, she knows more about government than any of them.

[1904] She knows more about government than for sure, Trump, right?

[1905] I mean, he knows about influence.

[1906] He knows how to influence politicians.

[1907] He donates money to politicians.

[1908] He understands all that.

[1909] But as far as, like, being in the boardrooms when the shit goes down, Hillary's like, she's been, like, right in there.

[1910] So as far as, like, qualifications, no one's got more qualifications for president than Hillary does.

[1911] The problem is, do you, here's, here, we all agree.

[1912] I think we all agree, and this is not a knock against Hillary.

[1913] This is, we all agree that this system is fucked.

[1914] It's ridiculous.

[1915] Representative government is kind of crazy.

[1916] The idea that you can have a bunch of people, they vote, and they vote for one person, that person represents that state, and then the state, they all get to get the president, you get the electoral college and all this wackiness.

[1917] We all agree that that's kind of crazy, right?

[1918] We all agree that it doesn't make much sense.

[1919] There's a lot of things we don't get to vote on.

[1920] There's a lot of decisions.

[1921] the country goes one way or another way that we were really unhappy with, and it would be nice if we had like a giant public debate.

[1922] So the only person that's going to change that, the only person who's going to knock that off its ass, is Trump, because he's the only guy who's got his own money like that from the Republican side.

[1923] He's the only guy.

[1924] In the Democrat side, Hillary's got a shitload of money, but she's kind of a part of the system.

[1925] And Bernie Sanders, you know, he's got some good idea socially, wants to make marijuana legal, you know, he wants to help people, wants to, wants to, like, unite us, wants to pay for student education, which I think is a great idea.

[1926] Wants to raise up the minimum wage, I think that's a great idea, too, even though I don't know shit about economics.

[1927] So it's like, there's not a lot of great choices.

[1928] I guess, like, Hillary would be the best choice on paper because she's been there.

[1929] Right, on paper.

[1930] No, not even on paper.

[1931] She's a crook.

[1932] You think she's a crook?

[1933] Do you know we're on the air?

[1934] I'm like, we're live.

[1935] Oh, is that bad?

[1936] This is live.

[1937] Isn't this debate talking, right?

[1938] Oh, yeah, yeah.

[1939] But you can't say she's a crook.

[1940] She's got to say allegedly.

[1941] Allegedly, allegedly.

[1942] Allegedly.

[1943] What makes you say allegedly she's a crook?

[1944] Oh, man. Watch that documentary, the Clinton Chronicles and all the stuff that, you know, the white water scandal and all that stuff.

[1945] I mean, dude, dude, she's in the Bilderberg group.

[1946] Come on.

[1947] Is she?

[1948] She's deep.

[1949] Her and Bill are deep, deep, deep.

[1950] That's not a concern.

[1951] She's in the Bilderberg group?

[1952] The Bilderberg group is not a conspiracy theory anymore.

[1953] No. The Rothschilder's or the Rockfellers refer to it as the Bilderberg group.

[1954] They started it.

[1955] Yeah.

[1956] It's they flaunt it now.

[1957] And she's in it, her and Bill, they're very powerful and they're deep, deep, deep in the top.

[1958] They're way up there.

[1959] They needed Bill to run everything through Arkansas.

[1960] They had to bring them in.

[1961] They ran everything through Arkansas.

[1962] That's not a conspiracy theory.

[1963] They ran all their stuff through Arkansas.

[1964] They needed the governor to cooperate, and that was Bill Clinton, and to show their appreciation, he became the next president.

[1965] He went from Arkansas, obscure.

[1966] Then he went to it, and now he's part of the Bilderberg group, just like that, some Arkansas governor, just like that.

[1967] Dude, that Narcos on Netflix, I finally finished it.

[1968] Dude, come on.

[1969] Dude.

[1970] I wouldn't have gone into it if it wasn't for you.

[1971] I really wasn't interested in it.

[1972] Oh.

[1973] I just was like, oh, yeah, more drug stuff.

[1974] You gotta trust me more, man. Oh, my God.

[1975] I did trust you.

[1976] Not more.

[1977] That's why I did it.

[1978] And then Cartel land is next.

[1979] I hear you.

[1980] You're not the only one.

[1981] Sounds like a generic, dumb, a run -on -the -mill documentary.

[1982] It's not.

[1983] It's special.

[1984] Damn.

[1985] It's a special documentary that's going to blow your mind.

[1986] And again, that how big oil conquered the world, like the history of the Rockefellers.

[1987] Fuck.

[1988] Fuck.

[1989] That's the craziest shit.

[1990] Netflix has the most awesome show.

[1991] That's where it all, it's, you know, the conspiracy theorists, whatever you want to call them, they claim that it's all connected, 9 -11, JFK, like it's the same people, and they're all connected, it's the same family, it's the same secret society, and it goes back.

[1992] Well, most of it, most of it started with John D. Rockefeller and Standard Oil, and when you learn that shit, holy fuck, the history.

[1993] And you know, the craziest thing about the whole thing is he was so into monopolizing oil and everything.

[1994] Once it was, it wasn't just oil banking.

[1995] He got into everything, big farmer.

[1996] He had control of everything.

[1997] He was so, John Rockefeller was so dominant.

[1998] He was the first billionaire.

[1999] He was ruling the world, man. And the one thing is that all hemp or marijuana conspiracy theorists, they all are aware of the reefer madness propaganda.

[2000] We all know that as weed enthusiasts.

[2001] We know about the propaganda that the government, you know.

[2002] And then finally, it worked after 10 years of all this.

[2003] propaganda that made weed look like it killed you and stuff and made you do crazy shit, they made it illegal.

[2004] And we all know that that's from big industry like DuPont and the Rockefellers and all that.

[2005] We all know that, that they were trying to shut down the industry.

[2006] They were blaming it on the Mexican smoking weed.

[2007] But we all know that as weed enthusiasts.

[2008] But you know what you don't know is, you know, alcohol prohibition was also because of John Rockefeller.

[2009] He was, he supported anti -alcohol groups and blew him up and donated millions to blow him up.

[2010] to get to outlaw alcohol because he saw it as a threat to gasoline.

[2011] Whoa.

[2012] Yes, and this is not a conspiracy theory.

[2013] Alcohol prohibition was all backed by John D. Rockefeller.

[2014] Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

[2015] It was a threat to gasoline?

[2016] Yes, alcohol.

[2017] Because they thought people were going to make, like, ethanol?

[2018] No, no, no. He just wanted to ban eth...

[2019] He wanted to crush the ethanol business, right?

[2020] Right, that's what I'm saying.

[2021] So, but the way he did it is to create this hysteria with drink.

[2022] Everyone has a drinking problem.

[2023] Everyone wants killing each other.

[2024] So he did the same thing.

[2025] He did both of them.

[2026] He did the same.

[2027] You're going to find out about this.

[2028] This is not a conspiracy theory.

[2029] So he, so they made, they were, they were.

[2030] Good with this, Jamie.

[2031] How big oil conquered the world.

[2032] But, but he, he funded the anti -saloon league.

[2033] It was run by one of his good friends.

[2034] And that was to, and you know what ended up happening?

[2035] Same thing.

[2036] They outlawed alcohol.

[2037] You couldn't drink alcohol.

[2038] But they said, what about the alcohol?

[2039] alcohol for cars.

[2040] And they wrote in the law that you could still make alcohol for cars, but you got to put petroleum in it so that people don't drink it.

[2041] So it made it, it killed the business.

[2042] So now they got to put oil in it if you want to sell it.

[2043] And then it killed, it killed all.

[2044] He, dude, he killed everything.

[2045] And he got busted for everything.

[2046] John D. Rockefeller's dad was named.

[2047] They called him Devil Bill.

[2048] His dad, they know all about his dad.

[2049] This is not a conspiracy theory.

[2050] Their family, historians will tell you about his father.

[2051] He created him.

[2052] rapist snake oil salesman running from the law changed his name devil bill devil bill that was his name so he had a bunch of sons and john d rockefeller was one and he was known he wanted to he was quoted as saying i cheat my sons every day i want him as sharp as can be he just beat the living fucking trust out of them and just drowned all their trust so john d rockefeller grew up not trusting anybody.

[2053] Look at this.

[2054] Rockefeller Ford and the secret history of alcohol.

[2055] Wow.

[2056] It's a secret history regarding alcohol that you won't hear in the six o 'clock news.

[2057] Cars and everything else running on internal combustion engines can run on alcohol at least as well as they can run on gasoline.

[2058] Indeed, engines were built back in 1870 that could run using alcohol or gasoline, a New York Times article from 1908 enthusiastically states, Autowists discuss alcohol as fuel Great future ahead for use in commercial wagons As Professor Locke, Lack, Locke.

[2059] What is it?

[2060] How do you say that?

[2061] Loke.

[2062] Locke.

[2063] Tests with motor truck, ER, Hewitt tells engineers of his results with gasoline and alcohol in the same engine.

[2064] Henry Ford said that alcohol was a cleaner, nicer, better fuel for automobiles than gasoline.

[2065] Wow.

[2066] Holy shit.

[2067] Wow, this is nuts, man. Yeah, it's the same thing.

[2068] It's a...

[2069] This is fucking bananas.

[2070] Gas propaganda.

[2071] Oh my God.

[2072] Or alcohol propaganda.

[2073] That is so crazy because you can make alcohol without fossil fuels.

[2074] So if you made alcohol today, you could fuel...

[2075] I mean, people can make alcohol, right?

[2076] People make alcohol, they moonshine.

[2077] Apparently anything, any vegetable that ferments, you can use his fuel.

[2078] It's really simple.

[2079] Anything.

[2080] Do you know Neil Young has that?

[2081] Well, he has diesel, though.

[2082] He doesn't make alcohol fuel, but he makes diesel.

[2083] He makes biodiesel.

[2084] giant ranch.

[2085] I think it's...

[2086] Northern California.

[2087] Isn't it the same thing?

[2088] If it ferments, it's...

[2089] Maybe you call it diesel, but it's fermented vegetable matter.

[2090] I don't know.

[2091] I'm just guessing.

[2092] I don't know.

[2093] But that's what Henry Ford said.

[2094] Henry Ford said, anything that you could ferment apples, anything, you could turn into biofuel.

[2095] That's crazy.

[2096] And John D. Rockefeller, that's what he was all about.

[2097] He's the richest man on the world was raised by a psychopath.

[2098] And he...

[2099] Dude, he got busted for monopolizing oil.

[2100] They finally indicted him.

[2101] He had to break apart.

[2102] Standard oil and it made him a billionaire.

[2103] That's what made him rich is when he got busted.

[2104] When he had to sell everything off, he just took over education.

[2105] Dude, when you learn how we took.

[2106] Is this in a documentary?

[2107] Yeah.

[2108] What is it?

[2109] How big oil conquered the world on YouTube.

[2110] Oh my God.

[2111] I'm scared.

[2112] You actually learn where it all comes from.

[2113] 100%.

[2114] It's all 100%.

[2115] It's a psycho.

[2116] Yeah.

[2117] One dude.

[2118] One dude.

[2119] And all his sons.

[2120] Now his sons and his grandson.

[2121] It kind of makes sense, right?

[2122] I mean, if you think about it, I mean, the really super ambitious people in business are a lot of times the most cutthroat, the most, you mean, how competitive do you got to be to be like a William Randolph Hearst or one of these motherfuckers?

[2123] You know how he took over universities?

[2124] Dude, he wanted to take over the world.

[2125] He wasn't just trying to sell gas.

[2126] He's trying to take over the world.

[2127] Our education system is all based on Rockefeller Foundation shit.

[2128] Like, he strategically wanted to make school so that we got back.

[2129] People just smart enough, this isn't conspiracies there, just smart enough to work, they didn't want anybody too smart.

[2130] That's why the school systems were designed.

[2131] Did he say this somewhere?

[2132] Dude, watch a documentary and then you come back and tell me. Now you just opened up a new rabbit hole.

[2133] This is how we did it.

[2134] This is how we did it.

[2135] He would just donate.

[2136] He'd go to a university, like the University of Chicago and just say, I'm going to give you millions of dollars.

[2137] And they said, oh, shit.

[2138] He goes, but I got to have a couple of my people on your board to make sure it's spent right.

[2139] And they're like, okay, so he gets his people in, and then they just take over.

[2140] And they design, they design history.

[2141] John D. Rockefeller got 20 historians and designed the history.

[2142] They designed it.

[2143] That's why when people, you know, you make fun of history in ninth grade books, you make fun of that history.

[2144] It's a joke, right?

[2145] It was put together by Rockefeller.

[2146] To look at that number.

[2147] His peak wealth was $3 ,18 .3 billion, based on the 2017.

[2148] US dollar oh my god he lived in 98 he was a motherfucker bro look at his dad lived to be 98 years old oh my god his dad big bill rockefellow was a devil bill yeah they called him a lot of things shipless man who spent most of his times thinking up schemes to avoid actual work nevertheless thanks to the guidelines of his mom eliza a homemaker and devout baptist john d grew up to be quite a hardworking man okay interesting man interesting shit yeah check that out but what's called big oil what is it how big oil conquered the world that's if you're a conspiracy theorist you know most people don't go beyond jfk there's so much in just jfk and then all this you know if you want to get into watergate and the iran contra and all the 9 -11 there's so much information that's it's so hard to get into multiple things so but once you once you got that covered go back and find out how it all started and you'd learn when you go when you Find out that George Sr .'s dad, Prescott Bush, started the CIA, and then you go back and his dad, Samuel Bush, was Frank Rockefeller's right -hand man and how the Bushes and the Rockefellers have always ran shit.

[2149] When you go back, Samuel Bush, George Sr., think about how old he is, his grandfather ran with Rockefeller.

[2150] You have to do a podcast.

[2151] You and Michael Shermer.

[2152] Who's that?

[2153] The guy who just left.

[2154] Oh, man. He didn't want to talk.

[2155] I just...

[2156] Eddie grabbed him from the moment he walked in.

[2157] You think Tower 7 went down on its own?

[2158] The moment you walked in the door.

[2159] Don't ignore Tower 7.

[2160] People say...

[2161] I don't want to ignore Tower 7, but I do got to wrap up this podcast.

[2162] I do have to end.

[2163] I got to get the fuck out of here.

[2164] I'm so sorry.

[2165] I would love to talk about the podcast.

[2166] It's way late.

[2167] I got to get out of here.

[2168] But we sort of broke down the UFC.

[2169] We did for a while.

[2170] We totally did.

[2171] Connor and Nate are both fucking legends right now.

[2172] Both of them.

[2173] Holly Holme, Misha Tate.

[2174] Both legends right now.

[2175] We're going to look back at this 20 years from now and have an old man narrate the highlights and it's going to be fucking insane sitting in your wheelchair thinking about this shit.

[2176] Yeah, it was classic.

[2177] Classic shit.

[2178] I think it was the greatest two fights ever in UFC history.

[2179] That was the greatest UFC ever.

[2180] That was the greatest UFC ever, no doubt.

[2181] You know, people keep saying, oh, you keep saying it's the greatest ever because they keep getting better.

[2182] Those were the two highlights to me that made me, I mean, it was bananas.

[2183] Chaos.

[2184] Even in Connor's defeat, he looked like a falky.

[2185] and just like global Barbarian And he handled the loss Like a champ Right after the loss Yeah Right after the loss He handled it like a champ All right You fucks We'll be back tomorrow Tomorrow's Chris Bell Right From prescription thugs You ever see that?

[2186] I heard about that I want to see that I'm watching it tonight Yeah That's all Rockabiller too That's all Thank you Bye bye Big Kiss