#1480 - Kevin Hart

[0] You come in here moving and shaking, man. You come in here making deals.

[1] You're on the phone already.

[2] Got to do it, Joe.

[3] You're always moving.

[4] I mean, is there anything else to do?

[5] Is there anything else to do besides moving?

[6] No, no, especially not now, man. Hunters hunt.

[7] Yes.

[8] Those that don't get eight.

[9] The last time you were here, man, that was one of the most inspirational podcasts I've ever done.

[10] I left that.

[11] I literally had a shift in the way I was looking at things.

[12] Like, you put an extra gear in my step that day.

[13] I was like, oh, I love being around people like you.

[14] My guy.

[15] People around you, people like you, you're going for shit all the time.

[16] And it's infectious.

[17] It's like you give off energy.

[18] And when people around you, they want to get shit done too.

[19] It's contagious.

[20] Yes.

[21] It's contagious.

[22] It's not just me putting it out.

[23] I think that the last time I was here, our conversation was such a great conversation because there was, there was, we both had.

[24] point of views right and when we shared the point of views you elevated the other person's POV like when we were talking and I was telling you why I live the way I live why I am the way I am you springboarded then you said yeah because kept for me I've been doing this and and we had this yin -yang thing going and it and it drove the conversation I told you you know before we jumped on one of the the best interviews that I've ever done and from a feedback perspective with people that just loved what the discussion was loved the tone of the interview to things that was said felt inspired motivated after it was just great all around for me checked all the boxes it was for me too and I got a bunch of great responses from my friends that's when I know it's good when I get friends and my friends were all like pretty unanimous they're like that is a motivational motherfucker wow like that dude gets shit done when people hear stuff like you like someone who's oh, excited about life, excited about doing things.

[25] You know, there's something about that.

[26] It's fuel.

[27] It's fuel for, we need that.

[28] Everyone needs that.

[29] You know, I don't even, this is, this is not a cheesy segue.

[30] All right?

[31] This just makes sense from what you just said.

[32] What you just said is the reason why I did the decision.

[33] You said people need that it's fuel.

[34] Yes.

[35] I feel that in today's time, what people are most selfish with is information.

[36] Nobody wants to give information.

[37] You got to ask for it.

[38] If you ask for it, then, all right, maybe.

[39] Maybe I'll tell you some stuff, but it's a searching fine.

[40] You mean real good information?

[41] Real information.

[42] Information about how to get to success.

[43] That's the want from everybody across the board.

[44] On some level.

[45] Right.

[46] Okay, everybody's success is different.

[47] This doesn't mean fame and stars.

[48] I'm not talking about that level of success.

[49] for everything.

[50] I'm saying whatever your version of success is to get to it information from someone that's done it or that's partaking in it in some degree will only add to the value of your journey.

[51] It's only going to make it easier.

[52] It's not to say that you got to do what they said, but with that information, you're able to process it, maybe use it, maybe not.

[53] Right.

[54] But you got it.

[55] Right.

[56] That's what I wanted to do.

[57] I said, yo, I got a fucking, I got a life.

[58] I got a hell of a life that I've lived full of ups, downs, potholes, cobblestone speed bumps, flat row, U -turns, some smack brick walls that I ran into, you know, some revolving doors of back and forth and through it all, my mental has only gotten better because I feel like I've been in I've been in a mental gym, the mental fitness that coincides with life, you know it should get better you should get wiser you should get smarter you should be able to make better decisions and all of my decisions came from the massive amount of fuck -ups and I can now share those fuck -ups I can now share the rights and the wrongs and the way that I handle all of the things that I've done and people can just take that information and go wow I never looked at it like that what gives them a better view of the landscape yeah especially when someone like you you almost seem like an unattainable person.

[59] Like, how, how does he do that?

[60] How is he doing that?

[61] How does this guy go from Philadelphia to be one of the biggest movie stars in the world?

[62] How does he become one of the biggest stand -up comedy stars ever?

[63] How the fuck do you do that?

[64] You almost seem like an alien, you know, to people on the outside.

[65] But then when they hear you talk about your real life and talk about these fuck -ups, you talk about these successes and talk about the lessons that you've learned.

[66] Man, that's fuel for folks in a way that nothing else is because it's, there's a lot of people that are bullshitting online.

[67] There's a lot of these motivational speakers that haven't done shit.

[68] And it's a weird thing.

[69] It's like they're trying to give you motivation by like sort of reciting things that they think are going to work.

[70] That they think you want to hear.

[71] They haven't done anything.

[72] Someone who's done something.

[73] When you say it, people are going to listen.

[74] They're going to go, oh, and you're so honest about everything.

[75] That's everything to people because when you're pure, when your words are pure, people take them.

[76] right in they come right in there's no there's no there's no like oh this guy's kind of fucking selling me something I'm not selling shit yeah I got I got nothing to sell I had I had a I had a talk with Chase like a Chase J .B Morgan Chase a partner's of mine and we were doing this more not we were we are we're doing this thing called advanced and black pathways right where we're trying to cure financial literacy in the black community we've been we're on like year number two right now right and there was a conversation where where they wanted to have said bankers go and talk to the kids in the inner city.

[77] And I was like, you can't send a white man that works for J .P. Morgan Chase to the inner city of said community, hood, whatever, to talk to these young black kids that has no idea about the life that the black kids live in.

[78] I said, what you need is people that have actually come from these environments.

[79] They have made it out of the environments and now understand how money works.

[80] Because now when I talk to you, I'm not talking to you with hypotheticals.

[81] And I'm not preaching to you about what you should do and what you got to do.

[82] I said, I'm telling you what I did that didn't work.

[83] I'm telling you how I fucked off money and I'm telling you what I didn't know.

[84] Hey, guys, here's a fact.

[85] There is no education that comes with money in the black community.

[86] communities.

[87] It doesn't.

[88] You can go search for it.

[89] There isn't one.

[90] It does not exist.

[91] There is no one that is outright teaching the kids in a black community how to operate financially, how to set up for your future.

[92] There is nobody talking to you about ownership, homes, mortgages, investments, stocks, that doesn't exist.

[93] It doesn't exist.

[94] It's not until you get out of that environment that you meet some people that are planning their life accordingly that you start to ask questions it's not till maybe college and on the later side of it that you're with people that are getting jobs in the future that you start to do it there is no prep or education at a young age i said so you need a you need a fucking man that can go there and go hey man let me tell you why y 'all got to stop taking these free credit cards let me tell you why you got to stop putting a cable in somebody else's name and continuing to fuck it up.

[95] Let me tell you why you got to stop being okay with not having a bank account.

[96] Let me tell you why you got to stop using the check cash places.

[97] There's nobody giving that information.

[98] I said, that's what I am.

[99] So if we're going to have a relationship, let's build it off of something authentic.

[100] Let's build it off of something that people can go, I get that.

[101] Since then, to go back to your point, my relationship has been based on me telling the truth.

[102] I told J .P. Morgan Chase, I want to go to the inner city and I want to have these discussions, but let me have them my way.

[103] I don't want to have it in a J .P. Morgan Chase way.

[104] And I got to credit them for backing me because they align me with other people that share the same stories that have achieved certain levels of success that speak to the same thing.

[105] So everything that I've done, everything that I'm trying to do, when I do talk about it, I come proven.

[106] I'm only talking to.

[107] about this because I really got knowledge about it.

[108] I don't got knowledge about it because I'm the smartest motherfucking world.

[109] That's not what the knowledge is coming from, Joe.

[110] My knowledge is coming from.

[111] Hey, man, yo, don't walk through door number one.

[112] I walk through that monster in there.

[113] There's a bunch of shit in that door.

[114] It wasn't until I came out that door that I saw those monsters that I knew the other monsters weren't as bad in door number two.

[115] But door number three is finally where you should go.

[116] I messed up, man. I went to the first two doors wrong.

[117] Why can't I give that to somebody that that hasn't experienced those doors yet?

[118] Why can I just get that information and possibly prevent them from walking into those doors?

[119] And that's what's really valuable for people listening.

[120] Yeah, man. That's what's really valuable.

[121] Someone who's actually done it and done it wrong and done it right.

[122] And like, hey, listen, I fucked up.

[123] This is how I fucked up.

[124] That means so much to people.

[125] You're advancing people's possibilities.

[126] I think that's what life should be about.

[127] As adults, as adults, we have a job to do.

[128] Whether you want to admit it or not, your job is to set up the next generation.

[129] That's our job.

[130] Whether you want to fucking admit it or not.

[131] It's your kids, it's your friends, it's whomever.

[132] You're supposed to live a certain way, do certain things to set up for the next generation to come and to be able to do better.

[133] If you don't, then you're not doing your part.

[134] And if the world never fucking grows, you got to raise your hand and be responsible.

[135] Because you're a part of the lag.

[136] You're part of the delay.

[137] If we look up in 15, 20 years, and we're in the same spot, what that means that our fucking groundbreakers that was doing all the shit during that 15, 20 years, never shared the information so that these new people come through and break new ground.

[138] Yeah.

[139] Somebody got to do more than what the fuck I did.

[140] I don't care who it is.

[141] Right.

[142] But you got to do more.

[143] Right.

[144] Somebody got to fucking do more.

[145] Somebody got to break these records.

[146] You already blaze the trail.

[147] Keep going.

[148] All I did was show you, hey, man. Hey, they stopped here, but I kept going to the left.

[149] And I started haul ass and look what I found.

[150] Now that I'm over here, that means it's more.

[151] Did you have a time in your life where you realized that you were doing the right thing?

[152] Like a time in your life where you realized, like, in your, in your, comedy career in particular where you realize like i'm getting some fucking traction like this is really rolling like in the beginning you're probably like all of us were not sure what was going to happen you're trying you know you're doing open mics you're trying to make it but was there a time where you're like this approach is this is happening i've got traction it was when i think i think the the noticing of oh shit of something's happening right now and it's it's this is this is I think this is success I think I'm in it Was it around the time of your first special?

[153] It wasn't.

[154] It was when I did the Shaq All -Star Comedy Jam.

[155] I just told somebody this story.

[156] I was talking to Gary Owens, actually.

[157] A good friend of mine, comedian.

[158] And we were talking about the past and Gary was like, Kemp, there was a moment where you just fucking just ran past everyone.

[159] And he was like, I don't remember.

[160] exactly what it was that did it he said I just remember looking up and you were gone and I remember it was the shack all -star comedy jam the lineup was Cedgerty entertainer he was hosting it was D -ray Davis Tommy Davidson um and myself it's a hell of a lineup it was D -ray Davidson Tommy Davidson myself cedric D' Entertainer was the host and I closed out the show and I remember going to do the show I was in Phoenix, it was in the round and I had to do this is when I was about to tape Seriously Funny My next special, I have to grow a little man So seriously funny, I was taping in like four months It was already on the books So this is this is supposed to be it This is my big coming out party This has to be it, man You know, I feel like I'm ready I've been working hard My jokes are hitting I'm raw, I'm edgy This is it, this is the one I'm fucking funny, seriously That's why I titled that Seriously Funny I was ready.

[161] I get the call from Jeff Clanagan.

[162] Shaq's All -Star Comedy Jam.

[163] We're taping it, Kev.

[164] Dude, it's like 15, 20 minutes.

[165] You know, can you do it for me?

[166] And Jeff and I had a relationship.

[167] And I was like, Jeff, I'm about to tape my special.

[168] I don't want to burn that material.

[169] He's like, Kev, look, you can use some other stuff.

[170] 15, 20 minutes, we tape it.

[171] But, you know, these things get some good traction, good views.

[172] It's some good eye candy.

[173] You should just have it out there.

[174] All right, whatever.

[175] I wasn't even taking a series.

[176] this was not something that I was saying serious and this is an example of sometimes you don't know what it's going to be you don't know what the fuel and the rocket is going to be you just got to buckle up and be prepared for the takeoff now if it take off and you don't know where the seat belts are and you don't know where the lights and shit at well now you got a fucked up rocket ride you're going you're going crash it's over it's over if you're not ready I do it this thing airs and I remember watching it and at the end of the show something so small seems so fucking big I say good night I put up two fingers and as I'm walking off the stage they put it in slow motion they put me in slow motion walking off the stage and it was a separation from everything else that was on there it was almost like this guy is the guy It was a small tweak in editing.

[177] I had nothing to do with it.

[178] I just saw it.

[179] And the slow motion walk off, the crowd getting up, clapping, you see people's faces, slow motion, pointing, screaming, and I'm walking off with like a bob.

[180] And it was almost like a coined, this is it.

[181] This is going to be the guy.

[182] I didn't do it.

[183] I didn't mean for it to happen.

[184] I didn't know it was going to happen.

[185] God bless the editors.

[186] God bless the Shack All -Star Comedy Jam.

[187] After that aired, I remember doing a show at Caroline's show.

[188] This is a true fucking story.

[189] Shout out to Lewis from Caroline's Comedy Club.

[190] I was just doing a weekend.

[191] Weekend, you're supposed to be doing, you know, three shows.

[192] We sold out 15 shows.

[193] We sold out 15 fucking shows.

[194] How did you do you do?

[195] do that we didn't know listen how how many days would we was there for like eight days we were there for like eight days you can lewis can confirm this caroline's comedy club that's crazy michael berkowitz can confirm this that's my public appearance agent we just kept getting calls we're gone we just put the tickets up for another show they're gone what uh what do you want to do we can add another you want to try to do a a wednesday night yeah Go ahead.

[196] It's gone.

[197] Kevin, we added the Wednesday.

[198] It's gone.

[199] What do you want to do?

[200] You want to see if we can add a late show Wednesday?

[201] Yeah, fuck it.

[202] I guess.

[203] It's gone.

[204] Tuesday.

[205] It went Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday.

[206] We was in that bitch till goddamn Wednesday.

[207] Holy shit.

[208] Fifteen shows, Caroline's Comedy Club.

[209] What did that feel like when it was happening?

[210] I'm going to say 12 to 15 shows.

[211] I remember.

[212] Because some of the days we could do one, some we could do two.

[213] But you don't know.

[214] I'm like, I can't even understand this.

[215] Caroline's Comedy Club is a big comedy club.

[216] This is New York City.

[217] This is the melting pot where you got some of everybody.

[218] After that is when me and Bert said, is this a New York thing?

[219] Is that the word get out in New York?

[220] And we found out the Shaq's All -Star Comedy Jam was playing on like showtime around a clock.

[221] It was just being pumped all day.

[222] all night and we put up some shows outside and the comedy club started flying.

[223] We was adding shows.

[224] We said, let's do small theaters.

[225] And then I did small theaters.

[226] And right after that moment, I taped Seriously Funny.

[227] So Shaq's All -Star Comedy Jam hit so hard that by time I was ready to do Seriously Funny, which was in three to four months, people were so hype and ready to see me do something else that that became a massive attraction.

[228] Wow.

[229] Seriously Funny took off and blew as well.

[230] That's crazy that it was something.

[231] something that you weren't even really thinking of.

[232] Not even thinking about it.

[233] Maybe that's why it was so free, you know.

[234] The shit that you don't.

[235] Yeah, the shit that's no. Now, by the way, seriously funny, I damn there shit at myself before the show.

[236] I damn there, defecated on myself before the show because I'm like, man, these people are here.

[237] The theater sold out so fast.

[238] I had LeBron, Shaq.

[239] The whole Cleveland Cavalier team was there at the time.

[240] It was unreal.

[241] I was like, this is, this is it.

[242] is my moment.

[243] I got to, I got to make this, I got to make this a thing.

[244] Wow.

[245] I got to make, I can't fuck this up.

[246] I cannot fuck this up.

[247] The show ended up going great and then from there the, the, the fucking star just continued to rise.

[248] And, and that's when the engine within myself started the click of go get, right?

[249] So there's something you always had, the go get.

[250] I got, I always had that.

[251] I always had that.

[252] I told you before, that's my mom.

[253] R -I -P Nancy Hart.

[254] Don't tell me I can't do something because now I'm pissed.

[255] Now I'm going to do it.

[256] Don't tell me that.

[257] And that's a gift and a curse.

[258] That's a gift in the curse.

[259] Like you saw in a doc, I don't know if you saw, but in my documentary, I put it all out there.

[260] That's a curse.

[261] Cav, don't put that video up.

[262] Don't do that.

[263] Don't tell me what the fuck not to do.

[264] I'm going to do it.

[265] And sometimes it don't do what you think it was going to do.

[266] You don't know everything.

[267] You don't know everything and you're not that great to think that you do know everything and you can get bitten the ass by thinking that but you got to get bit to go oh let me get better at that so my go get comes from me just saying what's my reason not to go after everything that I possibly can I will stand on a fucking building and say this man it's a game this thing is serious but it's got a game -like quality to it.

[268] This thing called life.

[269] It's got a game -like quality to it.

[270] And if you don't fucking see that, you better open your eyes.

[271] You better open your fucking eyes.

[272] Because in this life, the moves that we're making allow you to do more, to get more, to see more, travel more, explore, experience.

[273] Or some people are dealt a different hand and it's tougher.

[274] It's a darker road and it's, damn it, it's, fuck, I'm, I want to get out of this.

[275] I can't.

[276] I'm doing, ah, how do I get out?

[277] I made it.

[278] Oh, it looked like I wasn't supposed to get out, but I'm out.

[279] Everybody say you can't get out of this shit.

[280] I did.

[281] I'm out.

[282] I'm out.

[283] I wanted the people that got out.

[284] It's a fucking, it's got a real game -like quality to it.

[285] And that doesn't mean that you play with it.

[286] Understand what I'm saying here.

[287] It means that you can do what you put your mind to.

[288] And if you continue to put your mind to it, the game opens up new levels.

[289] Tell me I'm fucking saying something wrong.

[290] You're saying something right.

[291] You get a new level.

[292] And each new level that gets opened up, you're able to adapt a different mindset and a different approach.

[293] You can stop at that level or you can go, I want more levels.

[294] I want more fucking levels.

[295] I don't like seeing shit that I have no idea how to obtain or gain access to.

[296] That frustrates me. That frustrates me when people do things and I don't know how they do it or did it.

[297] Whether I'm going to do it or not, I want to know.

[298] When you're around people that work in different atmospheres, what do you do, man?

[299] Oh, man, I'm the guy that takes these labels right here.

[300] Simple labels right here.

[301] I have a manufacturing company where I do these, but I do them in bulk.

[302] So we do a thousand labels every 30 seconds.

[303] And I built a manufacturing lab.

[304] And this company here pays me X on a dollar.

[305] And I got 35 companies doing the same thing.

[306] I've built a multi -million dollar business based off labels.

[307] People don't understand how important labels are.

[308] I did at the young age.

[309] So I started manufacturing labels.

[310] you can manufacture fucking labels now I'm intrigued even if I didn't want to do that I'm intrigued that that's a thing I'm intrigued I'm intrigued that you found a way to do that this table is a handmade does a company do these is it fucking custom where's the word from if you really dig into everything it comes from a thought it comes from a broken down thought so you can be a person that's just around a bunch of brilliant thoughts and never ask questions or you can soak some of that shit up you know this pandemic showed me joe how our economy really fucking works once again i'm coming from the perspective of a young black man from the hood i'm from the bottom i don't know shit about stocks i don't know nothing about investments never have right but i know through this pandemic now that i'm at a point where i'm actually into stocks and I'm investing and putting a portfolio together well I really looked at the way that the world moves I really looked at how we move as people how are we fucking still going what are we using what are we fucking using this is what I said to my kids I said what are you still using what do you mean on a day to day what do we have to use tell me the things we have to use toothpaste who makes the toothpaste they told me who made the toothpaste Is that a company that you can invest in?

[311] Do you feel like everybody uses this toothpaste?

[312] If you do, that means that this is a company that's been successful.

[313] It may be successful for a long time because this is a necessary need of everyone.

[314] That's an investment, kids.

[315] What else do we use?

[316] What else do we use every day?

[317] Where do you go?

[318] What do you like?

[319] In the mornings, Starbucks?

[320] Is that an investment?

[321] Do you feel like everybody drank Starbucks?

[322] We drink it all the time.

[323] You feel like everybody else does too?

[324] I think so That's an investment That's what you put money in Because you feel like it's going to last It's going to grow What stores do we go to Where are we always at, Target?

[325] How many people are target when we go?

[326] A lot Is that an investment?

[327] I guess Why do you guess At this point you should know We talk about it all time Why do you think it's an investment dad?

[328] Why do you think it's not?

[329] I'm talking to you about putting money in places where you feel like it's going to grow.

[330] Do you feel like targets are going to shut down tomorrow?

[331] Or do you feel like they're going to open more stores?

[332] How do you feel?

[333] This is a thing that I watch, and this is a thing that I also watch people ignore.

[334] This is what's wrong with our world because we don't talk to people enough like this.

[335] We don't give them the simplicity behind the way we fucking move and the way the world goes around.

[336] if we did get the simplicity then we could have people taking $20 out there check and creating a portfolio we could have people taking $40 to $50 out there check and putting it in said thing said stock said whatever it is you can be doing it at a younger age you don't have to have the most crazy amount of money it can start off with the smallest amounts of money but you can learn it that can grow I watch it I pay attention that's what gets me fucking going, Joe.

[337] I pay attention to everything.

[338] My question is, why don't most of us?

[339] Why are we comfortable with letting the world just go by?

[340] I think a lot of people don't have the framework.

[341] They don't know how to operate in that realm.

[342] They don't know how to get going.

[343] They don't know how to get started.

[344] Yeah.

[345] But I love what you said about it being there's a game -like quality to life.

[346] That's such a perfect way to look at it.

[347] It really is.

[348] You played a game.

[349] Yeah.

[350] You played the game for how many years, Joe?

[351] How many years are you in your podcast?

[352] 11.

[353] 11 years, right?

[354] I'm going to give you a very true story.

[355] And to my brothers, the Plastic Cup boys, we got our radio show straight from the heart.

[356] I'm constantly preaching to us about it's not about now.

[357] It's about tomorrow.

[358] Our radio show is a good radio show, and we have a following, but it's not about now.

[359] It's about tomorrow.

[360] We got to put the work in.

[361] today so that when tomorrow comes, we are well equipped for the conversation that may be.

[362] I said, Joe had a fucking long ride of preparing for tomorrow.

[363] And when tomorrow hit, it had to hit correctly because Joe never not did the work on a day -to -day basis to prepare for tomorrow.

[364] I got everybody fired up just off the fact that you continue to do your thing, the way that you were, regardless of conversations, regardless of other offers and possibilities, you felt something else was on the horizon for tomorrow.

[365] But you knew it would come based off of your energy and effort that you put into the thing that you have.

[366] Realistically, I don't look at it that way.

[367] How do you look at it?

[368] I never look at a destination or a thing or something happening.

[369] I just keep doing it.

[370] I'm one of those weird grinders That's not weird That's a way for you to go But I trust the process But I don't ever look at it Like there's a destination Like a success moment Like a big thing A big thing hits I just keep doing it And those things Sort of find their own way Through management and agents And I've put very little thinking into that I put almost all my thinking into just doing the thing The best way that I can do it Metaphor for you then You're an amazing fucking fighter you are i mean i don't know how many black belts you fucking god just know i wouldn't fuck with you uh you but you got some shit with you right and if you are practicing a kick or a move if you do it let's say 200 000 times to make sure you get it perfect are you doing that and figuring that out for the unknown or is it for if i ever have to use it i wanted to be so fucking right yeah that's always there that's always there but the thing is always the technique the thing is always the process i think that's where i got this from podcasting and even from stand -up it's just the grind the process comes from martial arts the grind is like you got to be there every day if you're there three days a week it's not as good as five you got to be there five days a week and five might be better than seven because sometimes seven you burn out you want to keep enthusiasm because that's a fuel enthusiasm there's something about enthusiasm that like you got to balance discipline and enthusiasm discipline's critical you have to be able to show up but you also have to enjoy the shit out of it and so enjoying the shit out of it with discipline is the key but you got to ride those babies out you know you don't want to fuck every day take a couple days off want it want it you know like people fuck every day you don't even know what fucking feels like take three four days off and smoke a joint and make out with your woman.

[371] Get some energy back into it.

[372] Feel it.

[373] Do you feel like, and this is something that, you know, I never have a good, I have an okay answer, but I don't feel like it's ever the best answer.

[374] When people say, well, what do you do when you're not doing what you love, right?

[375] And what I've said in the past and, you know, in the present as well, is I think in order to do what you love, you got to get.

[376] through the obstacles of the things that you don't love.

[377] In life, right?

[378] As you're trying to come up, yeah.

[379] Yeah, that's what I was going to ask.

[380] Do you agree with that?

[381] Like, getting over those hurdles and then eventually, they lead you to the thing where you're like, okay, now I'm ready to pursue said thing that I want to do.

[382] Or if you're in a job or, you know, a career, and you're like, I fucking hate my job.

[383] What I feel is like, you know, even if you hate your job, you're supposed to be using that job for something to get to something right and if you're if you're not then that should be the thing that you're figuring out like I don't like being here but now that I'm here I'm going to do all that I can to get said thing so that I can then be comfortable enough to move here yeah if you just go into those things with hate because you were talking about enthusiasms made me think about it if you just got hate and you're just angry about about what you're doing every day, then you're not even allowing yourself to figure out the plan of how to escape the thing that you hate to get to the thing that you love.

[384] Yeah, I think it's important to have those jobs that suck, man. They're, they like cement your foundation.

[385] Lifeguard.

[386] Because you don't want to go back to those fucking places.

[387] You don't want to go back to those terrible jobs.

[388] We're going to get up and be uninspired all day long.

[389] But if you can get through that, like that's this rigid structure of discipline that allows you to apply that discipline the things you love if you can apply discipline and learn how to apply it to something that sucks and get free have a game plan and get free once you get free you have that ability to get up and do things that suck guess what you're going to get up and do things you love even more and you're going to remember construction sites and delivering newspapers and all the stupid jobs that I work I think about those fucking things when I get up in the morning when I'm brushing my teeth I think about That's the fucking game, though.

[390] That's the game.

[391] That's why you got to get through it.

[392] You have to.

[393] Like, it's, it's, I say this, man, and it's like that, it's the story.

[394] You're just putting that story together.

[395] And I don't, I don't think, you know, without, without the stories, what do you talk about?

[396] What do you talk about?

[397] Right.

[398] You know, what is the interesting side of conversation about your, you know, what?

[399] growth or your journey if it's if it's just the easiest I just took the highway and got off of the exit and right there the exit I found the goal everybody else did it's no right or my dad was rich and I have a trust fund and I never have to work ever what is the what is the interesting side to that like I don't there's no there is no bonus in that like yeah I just fucking broke my goddamn back right the the dopest thing for me about doing that was not being able to walk, but then being told that if I'm patient, I can recover fully.

[400] I can get back to myself and me instantly thinking in my head I can actually be better than what I was.

[401] If he's telling me I can get back to 100%, I'm gonna be better.

[402] So the game instantly clicked on.

[403] All right, tomorrow we start.

[404] We play.

[405] New level.

[406] I can't fucking walk.

[407] God damn, here we go.

[408] Can't wipe my ass.

[409] I'm not fucking getting it.

[410] They say I can't get in the gym.

[411] PT is some weird shit.

[412] I'm just taking two steps on a fucking booster ball.

[413] And I'm, all right, this is a little discouraging.

[414] But I know they said I'm supposed to do it three days.

[415] I'm going to listen to them.

[416] But on those other four days, is there anything else that I can do to be working on?

[417] Kevin, you can strengthen your lungs up working on your breathing.

[418] Here's a breathing machine.

[419] Okay.

[420] What about my hands?

[421] Is there any way my sense is tennis ball?

[422] Can I be squeezing?

[423] I be doing anything?

[424] No, we don't have anything like that.

[425] We don't recommend it.

[426] So if I found something and I research, if it's just motor skills and working on, is that fine?

[427] Yeah, that's fine.

[428] But, you know, it's okay if that's what you want to do.

[429] Okay.

[430] I saw that, yeah, I'm not getting the same.

[431] The doctors are just telling me the stuff that I need to know.

[432] Stay within those lines, but I'm going to find other things that I can do because I'm playing the game now.

[433] I'm never going to overexert myself.

[434] But the game is to be better.

[435] How do I be better than what I was?

[436] Because if I do that, ooh, fuck, for me, I just beat me Yeah It ain't about nobody else I don't get fuck about nobody else I just beat me If I can keep Beating myself Paul's if I can keep doing that Then that means that I'm in a battle With the only person that fucking makes sense I'm in a battle With the only person That I really want to fucking beat And that's me I don't care about anybody else I have no worry or gripe about the next man or woman's journey or or or their level of success.

[437] That's not what I'm what I'm up against.

[438] Yeah.

[439] If I can continue to outdo me from the day before, then I'm ahead and I'm ahead.

[440] And that's what I, that's the newfound, the newfound energy that I got out of life now.

[441] You know, I'm on this amazing rocky story with myself.

[442] It's in my head.

[443] Nobody else is watching this movie but me. It's in my head.

[444] This is Rocky.

[445] This is the comeback.

[446] This is exactly what I saw the movie.

[447] I'm going to come back better than ever.

[448] I'm going to be 41.

[449] My body's going to be ripped up.

[450] I'm going to be about 8 % body fat.

[451] And then I'm ready.

[452] Ready for what, Kevin?

[453] Hmm.

[454] I don't fucking know.

[455] Ready to be better than you were before.

[456] I don't know.

[457] But that's what I want.

[458] I want that day to be like, yeah.

[459] Yeah.

[460] Now what?

[461] And then I figure out what?

[462] I figure out what that what is then.

[463] Yeah.

[464] Well, tell me when you got injured, what, you were explaining it to me before the podcast, but I didn't want to talk too much about it because I wanted to hear it now, so everybody could hear it.

[465] What, what exactly was the injury?

[466] I fractured, so I fractured my, my spine, right?

[467] And it's from my, it's either from my T10 to my L1 or from my L1 to my T10, whatever order that.

[468] goes in so I how many fractures is that I mean that's fucking that's your that's your spine that's about so you fractured basically everything everything I mean you got like this much space in my back so you got to think first of all I'm already small right so this is practically my whole back if you look at this right here if you look at this this is practically my whole back so all of this fractured and what what happens is they had to fuse my spine so they have to remove the discs in between?

[469] They basically had to fix, so the bones where it's fractured basically your spine is now out of whack.

[470] The things that keep your spine connected and that allow you the flexibility are out of whack.

[471] I got pieces of those bone fragments that are out of place out.

[472] So they got to fuse that shit back together.

[473] So I got eight screws.

[474] Do they take the disc material out and compress it and then screw them all?

[475] So So it was the bone all one piece now?

[476] I think I'm one.

[477] I don't know about the disc.

[478] I don't know.

[479] I don't have that answer.

[480] That's a little too technical for me. And I should know that because it was my body.

[481] But what I do know is that this thing that's my spine has eight screws.

[482] And these eight screws now hold it together.

[483] So through this time of healing, because I now have metal in my back, it was about getting your back to be comfortable with the metal, but also back to a normal level of flexibility.

[484] So where people fuck up, when you get this type of energy and you stay still, you allow that metal to get stiff.

[485] You don't, you don't, you're not moving it.

[486] So, so now your movements become robotic.

[487] Yeah.

[488] With it.

[489] So because as soon as I got out the hospital, I started.

[490] I didn't have days off.

[491] As soon as I got out, I started physical therapy.

[492] I did not wait I didn't I got off medication I said I'm not taking on meds you know my dad was on drugs I was like I'm not fucking around with that so I dealt with the pain but I said I gotta start now because every day that I wait makes it harder to go so because I was you know back and forth side to side doing all of those things I got I got my body to get accustomed to it and I got flexibility so now when you see me working out it looks as if I'm back and you know I'm probably not 98 % back to myself right now.

[493] But the work that I put into my core and my upper body over the years are what saved me outside of God, of course, in that situation.

[494] Because you know, I want to tell us people just for you to know this health and wellness shit is so much bigger than what you may think it is.

[495] Taking care of your body, you don't know when all of that stuff comes in to play and adds up correctly you know the the human body is amazing recovery the ability to snap back and go back to what it once was the body muscle memory all of that stuff plays a major factor so my healing was a lot faster because of the years of work that I put into it before now if I had enough and I didn't have that core well I'd be paralyzed I'd be fucking paralyzed I mean it's set up, you're literally talking about this much.

[496] Doctor, look me in the eyes, you're lucky to be walking, you're this much.

[497] If your core wasn't in the shape that it was, and if you didn't have the strength to take whatever that impact was and stay, you would have been snapped and you would never be walking again.

[498] So that instantly, thank God, I go, you know what?

[499] thank God for my trainer who jumped into my life at a certain time and changed my way of thinking boss Ronald Boss Everline and you know we've been rocking for seven years and and the consistency of four years before of every day every day so now I'm like you're not wasting your time ever so when those people say what are you working out for what are you getting in shape for why are you going every day.

[500] You don't know when you're going to need to fucking tap into all of the work that you've done.

[501] You don't know.

[502] You don't know if you'll ever need it.

[503] But to just know that you've taken care of yourself, to know that you've given yourself a chance to fucking not only survive, but perform.

[504] You've given yourself a chance to perform at a high level on the day to day by taking care of your engine.

[505] This is my machine.

[506] So I'm taking care of the engine.

[507] Just like any car.

[508] Oil changes, just like, you know, your brakes, your tires, the rotors, all of that shit.

[509] You're taking care of that.

[510] So it's a great ride every time.

[511] You got to do the same with your body.

[512] Don't ignore that shit, people.

[513] You know, we're dropping like flies right now.

[514] Heart attack, strokes.

[515] Yep.

[516] You know, kidney failure.

[517] You got people with diabetes.

[518] You got people getting legs or arms cut off from bad eating, from bad eating over the course of years.

[519] Take that shit serious.

[520] Don't wait till the end.

[521] That's serious.

[522] That's not a joke.

[523] So when I look at people dying around me, we have no control over when the day is going to come, but I'm going to try to help amplify my time here as much as I can.

[524] That's the big one, right?

[525] Amplify your time.

[526] You have energy.

[527] You have a different kind of energy than someone who's unhealthy.

[528] You have the ability to push forward.

[529] You have the ability to get shit done.

[530] You have more enthusiasm because your body feels good.

[531] Why do you not?

[532] Why?

[533] I want to be careful of the way I say this because I don't want to seem like I'm coming down on anybody that's not.

[534] But why don't you want to take care of yourself?

[535] I think they do.

[536] I think it's just habits are very hard to break.

[537] There's a lot of comfort in just the same thing every day.

[538] open up the cabinet, Twinkies, fuck it.

[539] I'll start tomorrow.

[540] Fuck it.

[541] I feel like eating those chips.

[542] And you just settle into it.

[543] And then there's this disappointment that comes from settling in.

[544] And it's comfort and it's disappointment at the same time.

[545] You're like, you're like, well, I guess that's me. And you accept it.

[546] And I think sometimes people are scared of improvement because they're scared of failure.

[547] So if they can just kind of slide into the same bullshit every day, it makes them feel less uneasy.

[548] you know what i what i say and what i will say goes back to the decision goes back to information it's not bad if you want those things i don't i don't think that people are supposed to live a robotic life and and you know i don't eat this ever and i don't do this well i was going to the rock in his fucking cheat days i mean this fucking cheat first of all he eats for a village that's son of a bitch well he is a village it's unreal what he puts down when he puts down and that's what i'm saying you should enjoy your yourself and enjoy your life but I think that there should be a give and take like all right I'm going to eat the way I want to eat I'm not compromising that because I love food but let me put a half hour in a day of walking let me yeah let me do something so where I'm active so there's at least a give and take that's what I would say to people out there I'm not saying in no way shape of form don't do ever and that's wrong and you're living you're going to destroy yourself that's no that's unrealistic that's unrealistic I think you should definitely be happy you should definitely do the things that you enjoy because like I said in my mind this is a game you plan the game be happy while you're playing it don't be miserable one way to play the game is to challenge yourself like give yourself a month write down for a month for one month I'm not drinking a single soda for one month I'm going to do something some exercise every day and I'm going to write down what it is for one month The fucking game.

[549] Yeah.

[550] Here's how I think.

[551] I don't know if that's a book title or not, or if it hasn't, has been or hasn't.

[552] But God damn it, that could be my next one, the game.

[553] Yeah.

[554] Now, I know you guys are hearing this.

[555] I think it may be, but maybe, you know, the game, the game of life.

[556] That's something, but it's something there.

[557] I just, there's, it's such a synergy within that.

[558] Maybe just call it game.

[559] Something.

[560] Yeah.

[561] It's there.

[562] Your statement of there's a game -like quality to life resonates.

[563] As soon as you said that, I was like, ooh, that's it.

[564] That's the way to look at it.

[565] Don't just look at it like life.

[566] Look at it like you're trying to succeed.

[567] You're trying to get ahead and win.

[568] The game -like quality of life.

[569] That's it.

[570] It's a dope thing.

[571] I'm going to really harp on that.

[572] So you're recovering from your back injury.

[573] How long ago was the injury?

[574] How long ago was it crash now?

[575] September.

[576] So what is that?

[577] September, October, November, December, December, November, December.

[578] February, March, April, was this May?

[579] Yeah, so only eight months.

[580] Almost, it was about to be June, so I was about to be nine.

[581] I'm going to get into nine.

[582] And you said you're like 98%.

[583] 98 %?

[584] I'm down to probably 10 % body fat right now.

[585] And as far as like movement, you could basically do everything?

[586] I'm doing everything.

[587] Wow.

[588] Doing everything.

[589] I'm up to running again.

[590] I'm probably at, I'm probably at three, I can go three and a half miles straight before I'm like, oh.

[591] The back starts to bother you?

[592] Yeah, before I get.

[593] And what are you doing for the back?

[594] You're doing yoga?

[595] You're doing what kind of exercise you're doing?

[596] Physical therapy, you know, that's random.

[597] Shout out to Dr. Pat.

[598] You know, I make sure that getting the massages, getting the work done, because I'm doing so much within working out, I don't want to not take care of that as well.

[599] So from heating it, from, you know, treatment, just literally doing things to make sure that I'm constantly working on those muscles and not forgetting them.

[600] I'm getting older.

[601] I don't want to act like that's not the case or that's not a reality.

[602] I'm 40 now.

[603] So how do I take care of this machine?

[604] So at 50, I'm not moving as if I'm 70, you know?

[605] I'll say that's been a great adjustment, but one that's really made me feel better.

[606] Like stretching, you know, I didn't understand the importance.

[607] of stretching, of actually resting.

[608] You know, I was, got to get it.

[609] Let's go.

[610] Let's go time.

[611] Waits.

[612] Hit it.

[613] Clanging and banging, baby.

[614] Clanging and banging.

[615] But now, you know, make sure you get your rest time so that you can come back and give the energy.

[616] Your cardio changes, road machines.

[617] I'm on a bike.

[618] You know, I'm pelotonin.

[619] I'm hydroing.

[620] I'm running.

[621] So the workouts change.

[622] And you become more consistent.

[623] with your system, with my new system.

[624] So I think by July, my goal is for my 41st birthday, that's July 6, to be around 8, 8 .5 % body fat at the age 41.

[625] So it's all about looking good with the body fat?

[626] For me, for me, the body fat means that I've just been super focused.

[627] Like, I eat.

[628] I don't want people to think that I don't eat.

[629] I'm not a foodie, though, so it doesn't really count, but, you know, I'm not on some strict, crazy diet.

[630] You're not a foodie, like, you don't enjoy, like...

[631] I'm not a foodie, man. I don't eat red meat.

[632] Really?

[633] No red meat.

[634] No fish, no seafood.

[635] I'm a plant -based eater.

[636] Everything's plant.

[637] I'll go chicken every once in a while.

[638] I'll dabble into my chicken.

[639] And that's what people don't understand.

[640] I don't think people really get that or understand that.

[641] It's like, just because you make the...

[642] decision to go and try plant base doesn't mean that you have to engulf in that world learn it understand it and see if there's benefits that work for you i stop eating red meat so much because i learned that i didn't have to have it i thought that i needed it to survive that's what i was under the mindset like if i don't eat this i'm things are going to change for me that's what i thought but once i found out there was protein and things and other foods and other resources and then I started to learn more about the plant -based food space.

[643] I was like, I'm going to give it a try.

[644] And I started trying to Beyond Meat.

[645] And I fucking fell in love with the Beyond Meat.

[646] I was like, I don't feel a difference.

[647] Let me tell you something right now.

[648] Those Beyond Meat things are not good for you.

[649] I love them.

[650] I'm sure you do.

[651] I love them.

[652] I'm sure you enjoy them.

[653] That's fine.

[654] I love them.

[655] If you're going to be plant -based, that's not the way to go.

[656] In terms of, like, the overall health, it's not bad if you want just taste, if you enjoy, you know, just mouth pleasure, but they're not good for you.

[657] It's all oils.

[658] It's all this plant -based oils, and it's all processed and weird.

[659] Just eat vegetables.

[660] What you are is a very smart man, so I would never challenge the information that you may have that I don't have.

[661] So now, after being told such a thing, I would look and see for myself.

[662] But I can say to date, I love the beyond option because it's not only taking the place of the, meat I like the different versions of it that's available as long as you're enjoying it nothing wrong with something you're enjoying you're obviously very healthy yeah I can say I haven't seen I put it this way since since going plant base and jumping into that space and choosing that because there was a moment where you had the impossible you had the beyond and you had all the stuff that was out there and you're trying everything I like that one the most so after liking the beyond one the most Then I said, let me see if I can be more consistent.

[663] Since doing that, I've seen a significant change in just being more vibrant, more up and at it.

[664] Like, you know, my days were always long.

[665] So there used to be a wall that I would hit.

[666] You know, when I was eating and I was red meat, whether it be the burger patty without the bun, whether it was steak and eggs for protein, whatever it was, I would always hit a wall.

[667] a day where you know I'm dozing I'm dozing and I'm crashing I don't have those crashes maybe you weren't getting enough carbohydrates could be once again Joe you're very smart man so I'm not going to challenge your knowledge because I know that this is a space where you're well equipped you do your research you read you know I've heard you talk about things various times in this space I'll just say it's it's one of those things where I was like okay this is a pattern that I fell into it's been comfortable but I've seen the results that's all that matters and there There's bio -variability that everybody has to take into consideration.

[668] Like, your body's going to be different than Jamie's.

[669] It's going to be different than mine.

[670] Everybody's body's going to respond different to different kind of foods.

[671] It's really different, you know.

[672] Some people work great off of just fish.

[673] I know people that are on a carnivore diet and they're in the healthiest shape they've ever been in their life.

[674] All they eat is red meat.

[675] They just rib -eyes all day long.

[676] And you go, what the fuck?

[677] That doesn't even make any sense.

[678] Meanwhile, they look great.

[679] And they'll swear to you, they've never felt better.

[680] psoriasis is gone, joint pain gone, healthier than ever.

[681] And then I know other people that are all 100 % plant -based.

[682] And they're like, I got off my meds, I feel great.

[683] I think focus on eating properly, whether it's eating properly, plant -based or eating properly with a carnivore diet, just cutting out all the bullshit.

[684] Yeah.

[685] That's the, and focusing on the fact that you're eating for health and for vitality.

[686] Like, that's a big part of it.

[687] You just said the key thing, no. The key things you just said is people are doing.

[688] different things that work for them.

[689] There is no right or wrong way.

[690] And I think that's the biggest misconception.

[691] Right.

[692] The misconception is that you're doing it wrong.

[693] There's one way.

[694] There's only one, no, don't do that.

[695] Don't eat that.

[696] There's a lot of ways.

[697] There's so many different ways that can work for you.

[698] Don't be afraid to try or just experience what those options are and find your comfort space.

[699] That's why I say within that plant -based space, you know, people that go, yeah, man, I'm plant -based.

[700] but I feel bad because I ate a sudden thing It's like you don't have like it's not There is no rule Yeah To what you want to do for you And you gotta be open to making adjustments too Do you know C .T. Fletcher?

[701] I do know of him I don't know him But I know of him Love that guy of death Hawk He's as motivational as anybody He's ever lived He had a heart attack Had his heart replaced Got a new heart And he I don't think he's confirmed it But he believes it's an Asian woman And I don't know if that's how he feels or like he's had some weird feelings about having this other person's heart inside of his body And he went 100 % plant based just changed everything changed his entire diet and puts all these videos up about it He thinks his heart came from an Asian woman He believes his heart came from an Asian woman I don't think he's confirmed that because I don't think they tell you But I think he's he didn't just would you want to know do you want to know?

[702] Yeah, I'd kind of want to know Yeah maybe he knows now he didn't I don't believe he knew last time I saw him in he But, you know, the first time I met him, I mean, he's a powerful guy, you know, it's still your motherfucking set.

[703] Like, he's that guy.

[704] Yeah.

[705] And he's just always this, like, booming voice and just gigantic muscles, and he's all drive and go.

[706] And then when his heart failed, and then he had to have his heart replaced, I saw him about a year later.

[707] And he had this remarkable calm that had come over him.

[708] He was just, like, this different person, very loving and embracing.

[709] and had all this happiness and all this joy and all this appreciation.

[710] And now all he needs his plants.

[711] I mean, he's a, and he swears by it.

[712] It's that light.

[713] For him, that's the way to go.

[714] No, I'm talking about that light.

[715] Yeah.

[716] Oh, yes, yes.

[717] When you come close to that light.

[718] Yeah.

[719] And it's in that light that I'm talking about is death.

[720] Yes.

[721] If you come close to that light, when you do and if you are fortunate enough to come back from that light, you value life differently.

[722] You can't, there, there, there are no bad days for me. There are no bad days for me. My, my biggest cry in life came from the first day that I came home from the hospital.

[723] Because I never, I never had to see that house again.

[724] Like there was, there was an option of me never seen that home again.

[725] There was an option of me never walking on that driveway again.

[726] there was an option of me never seeing my wife and my kids again like the biggest and I mean it wasn't it wasn't like a like a buildup cry it was pull up get out feet touch the ground what the fuck just came over me boo who yeah like what the fuck what just happened and by the way a painful cry because my back my back was fucked up right So I'm crying hard and I'm in pain.

[727] But the realization of none of this has to be.

[728] You're not in control.

[729] Right.

[730] Hey, Kevin, you're not in control, buddy.

[731] You thought you were.

[732] You moved for a minute like, no, I got this.

[733] I'm going to do that.

[734] Don't worry about it.

[735] I got it.

[736] We'll be good.

[737] I'm going to make sure it happens.

[738] As if you were in control.

[739] That's what it is.

[740] It's literally that.

[741] Yeah.

[742] At any decision, at any decision, at any.

[743] giving time it can be over yeah and it's not until you get close to that light that you truly respect that there are no bad days amen miss me with any bullshit yeah i'm i'm smiling yeah because i have no reason to be angry because i don't have to be here you appreciate that sunshine because you've been in the pouring rain yeah man hey hey that's a fuck yes so when you talk about c t fletcher and you talk about his calm you know what man i've i've been on the other side he's he's been yeah let's go and that's great yeah that doesn't mean it is that he doesn't still have that but now there's a different energy and a different level of relaxation that can come because i know how fortunate i am to be taking these steps yeah it's not just a theory like every day really truly is a gift she's yeah and you take it for granted it's real you take it for fucking granted man i'm gonna tell you not being able to wipe my ass changed everything you got one of them bidets in your house you press the button I couldn't even do that really I couldn't do that I'm talking you you take it for granted you take it for granted man all of this all this conversation is clapping this easy oh hey come here all this shit here you just you just think it's okay you go go through go through a situation where it's compromised.

[744] How long did it take before you could start walking again, normal?

[745] Or semi -normal?

[746] I lied in the hospital because I didn't want them to know that I was having pain because I thought that they were going to stop me from letting me continue to try my walks.

[747] It was like day seven in the hospital, and I had the walker, and it was slow walks, but I was dragging.

[748] It was upper body.

[749] And I was masking it as if I was feet, right?

[750] Because I didn't want to stop trying.

[751] Like that was my, that was my, that was my fucking, my, my, my go get, my drive for anything was those that half hour 40 where I could get up and go walk.

[752] Because I was just laying in the bed all day.

[753] And, you know, God bless me, my wife and my kids.

[754] there was there's times like if this is the remote control and I'm in the bed and I just want to get to the control well I can't get to it if you didn't position the control down here by my hands so I could get it this here throws my whole fucking I so now I can't press the button to call nurse and every second is babe can you can you grab the control control for me have due and there was a time where my son my son was like fuck it my son just slept in the bed with me my son he was like I'm here dad I'm up my son didn't want to go to school my daughter didn't want to go to school they didn't want to leave my side they stayed there and middle of the night if they heard me you all right dad what you want they were up my son doubled as nurse my daughter doubled his nurse Nico doubled as it you know they they were there.

[755] My brother came and that's when the care about what was important really changed.

[756] The shit that I thought was important the things that you think are important you get to looking around at a hospital room was four walls.

[757] None of that shit that you think is important as in there.

[758] It's one of these people.

[759] None of the other shit was in there.

[760] None of it.

[761] None of it was fucking in there.

[762] It's also got to make you feel great that there's that much love you know that they cared about you that much that's what got that's what gets you that's what gets you through it yeah so those little steps that i was taking you know the the discomfort of not being able to do the love and energy made me go it's going to be all right i'm gonna get there because you definitely feel defeated for a little bit and so how long before you were walking without a walker um i was stubborn man so probably two and a half weeks two wow two two and a half weeks i should had the walker though.

[763] Wow.

[764] I should have had the walker, but it was, I'm, I'm giving the perception that it's, that it's better than what it is.

[765] And I had the back brace on.

[766] You faked it till you made it.

[767] It was, I definitely, I definitely, I definitely was, was, hey, smiling.

[768] What's up, y 'all?

[769] Right.

[770] Good morning, everybody, giving this perception of.

[771] Bill Burt told me, he went to visit you.

[772] Yeah, Bill came to see me. And he said, he goes, see the fucking guys already walking around yeah it's crazy yeah i've given the perception because you don't i don't want you to to to worry yeah i got it's me yeah let me i'm going through it i'm gonna figure it out i don't want that worry placed on anybody else i told you i stopped fucking taking meds yeah so every night was a was a horrible night that's so much better for you though just accept that pain every night i did that with my knee surgery and it's obviously a much less painful thing But I was like I took that shit once for one of my knee surgeries one day and I was like this I feel so fucking stupid I slobbered on myself that's when I said no no I was talking a piece of sloppers Yeah I was by myself alone in my apartment and I was thinking this was you know back when I lived in New York And I was like I am not doing this again this is one day I'd rather I'd rather be in searing pain and have my senses Than to be stupid I felt so dumb felt dumb it just like just like I'm like, this is not me. I'm not into escape.

[773] I don't want to escape.

[774] I want to dig deep.

[775] Not that bad.

[776] Yeah, I'd rather just feel the pain.

[777] I'm not looking for it that bad.

[778] It's a sensation.

[779] It's a terrible sensation, but I know what it is.

[780] This is letting me know that there's a problem, and we'll fix that problem eventually.

[781] I don't like the look that comes with being high.

[782] Yeah.

[783] Like, when I see what people look like that, I don't like that look.

[784] The pill hide?

[785] See, I like the weed high.

[786] No, that's, that's, that's, I'm talking about this shit here.

[787] Oh, yeah.

[788] That, when you don't know what you, yeah, this shit here, you, you don't know what's going on with your hands.

[789] I don't like that.

[790] I don't want to look, I don't want to look like that.

[791] Yeah, I think that's people that are in so much pain all day just emotionally that they just need some sort of escape from it.

[792] One thing I would, I will not knock anybody that is dealing with any type of mental struggle because that is something that's so serious.

[793] Because nobody understands what that is except that person.

[794] Right.

[795] So I never talk as if that's an easy thing.

[796] I talk as if that's a thing that I don't fully know about.

[797] So you can only have some type of remorse and feeling of understanding for people that are battling any type of mental illness or mental health.

[798] Because that's just a different, it's a different monster and a different machine.

[799] So whatever the reasons to escape that are for you.

[800] you and from you, you know, that's something that's TBD, to be determined between you and whoever's trying to help you.

[801] People on the outside, we got no right.

[802] We got no right if you're not fucking dealing with the same thing.

[803] You got no right to judge that ever.

[804] There's no way we can understand what's going on.

[805] No way I can understand what's going on your head other than you telling me about it and me trying to decipher it and trying to put it into words.

[806] But that's one of the more interesting things about talking to people.

[807] It's like when you talk to people and you find out how they feel and think about things.

[808] It shifts your own ideas of what life is.

[809] And I'm trying to look at life through other people's eyes.

[810] And the only way you get that is for them talking.

[811] I mean, I'm dealing with it now with my kids.

[812] You know, I got two teenagers.

[813] So my daughter, you know, my daughter got mad.

[814] This is a while ago.

[815] She got so mad.

[816] She was just forget it.

[817] And it was like a little rage.

[818] I didn't attack her for it.

[819] I said, there's something that may you do that.

[820] It's bigger than just this.

[821] It's not about what we're dealing with now.

[822] I said that was that was something else that I've never seen and I said I'm gonna give you a second take some time to yourself I said and later if you want to talk about anything your dad is here I said let's talk if you want to and we got this thing called free speaking zone and our house free speaking zone means as a parent I can't get mad at you about what you said I gotta give you a conversation based off of what you said and I got to act as if you're not my child for that moment.

[823] You cannot abuse free speaking zone, though.

[824] You can't abuse it.

[825] That don't mean every time you're in trouble, free speaking zone, you're abusing it.

[826] And now you risk free speaking zone going away.

[827] I like that idea.

[828] So you got to use it correctly.

[829] So, you know, my daughter came to me and like the nicest voice.

[830] She was like, free speaking zone.

[831] And I was like, yeah, I said, what's up?

[832] And she just started talking to me about some things that were bothering her.

[833] And when we talk, what I found is I can relate to my daughter because I know for sure that where I come from, it's allowed me to see exactly what she's seeing plus so much more, plus so much more.

[834] And this was a time where the hair was an issue.

[835] My daughter went through a big hair thing.

[836] You know, she wanted her hair to be a certain way.

[837] and the hair wouldn't there was no way to her hair was going to be able to look like what she wanted it to so the discussion was honey as a young black girl your hair is not going to do what your friend's hair does you know my daughter goes to a private school so there's white girls here you got some mixed girls here and you know these girls are out and they can jump in the pool get out and their hair is a certain way and I'm like honey yours isn't going to do that.

[838] But if you want a different look, then that means that we can work on ways to obtain it, but honey, it's not going to happen overnight.

[839] And I had to make sure that my daughter understood how beautiful she was.

[840] I had to make sure that my daughter understood why it's okay for her hair to be different and be unique and not the same.

[841] I had to go into a full father programming of making you understand your value.

[842] and my daughter needed that but it wasn't it wasn't something that just came out of nowhere like dad I want to talk to you about my hair it was an anger that she later then came and wanted to discuss but if I didn't have the free speaking zone that's some shit that just would have been in and never talked about and never talked about yeah but I gave her something that she used as a as a reason to say what I don't like and don't judge me dad but this is really making me mad well it seems like you've developed this philosophy that applies not just to work and not just to success, but also to family and relationships, there's a lot of carryover in all of this.

[843] It's like accepting things for what they are, but looking at a positive way to improve them, even in terms of just communication with your family.

[844] I mean, that's priority.

[845] Priority number one.

[846] I mean, that's this.

[847] It's so, it's so dope to be able to build.

[848] what we're building because it's not a tradition this is not we don't have a family tradition we're the first right this is the first right I don't come from mom and dad same house kids dogs and dinner at night at 6 p .m. I don't come from that right I don't know how to do that so we are now learning that you know divorced ex -wife New wife, stepkids, new kid, brothers and sisters, coincide with ex -wife, new wife.

[849] Make sure that we all understand this is our world.

[850] How do we co -parent bumps, of course, figuring it out, of course.

[851] Kids, household, in our household, let's build something, dinners, let's make this a thing.

[852] conversations no phones let's make it a thing movie night taco tuesdays game night all this silly shit that you may look past are memories family trips family walks walking the dogs together all of this shit we're building so I'm fascinated at giving my kids stories to hold on to when they get older remember that time when we did said thing, said thing, sad thing, said thing.

[853] Where were we at that summer?

[854] Remember when such and such happened and you fell in the thing and dad had to come get you?

[855] Oh my God, you know what?

[856] Dad, you know what I want to go back to?

[857] You know what we want to do?

[858] We're building it.

[859] So my hope is that as I grow older, I'm able to look at a new era within the heart.

[860] Within this heart family name, this heart legacy, I'm looking at, I'm looking at generations.

[861] You know, I got two sons.

[862] I got two sons, man. That's an unbelievable thing because this name goes.

[863] I got a daughter.

[864] That's my oldest.

[865] I'm about to have another daughter.

[866] Like now it's like, fuck.

[867] Kev, you really, it's bigger than you.

[868] It's about this.

[869] And it's about what they have, but it's about what they remember.

[870] I'm doing my part in life, to go back to what we talked about earlier, by making this generation better than what I was.

[871] I'm giving you the fucking tools, guys.

[872] You don't got to do what I do, you don't got to be what I am, but I'm giving you the tools to at least want to aspire to be.

[873] Is there a struggle to find time, like to manage the time between work and family relationships?

[874] Not after that accident.

[875] No. Not after that fucking accident.

[876] accident was the the best eye -opening experience ever you know what I mean it's I was married to my career and dating my family right like I'm right I'm all about this work and all about this hustle granted there's nothing wrong with that it's a good thing but after a certain point you got to prioritize accordingly when you get to a certain point where the decisions that can be made are a little more controlled and you have the ability to maneuver differently because of the success that you've obtained make those adjustments I didn't make those adjustments I was still hustle hustle hustle granted great dad we're doing stuff I'm home I'm getting back home but my in and outs three days I'm out two days three days I'm out I got to go film the movie y 'all come down for the weekends all right i see you guys we'll eat dinner we'll do stuff and it's great crammed it all in all right y 'all got to go i'm working and it's not bad but now all right i'll film a movie after i'm done filming a movie well i got i need to take 30 days off i need to take 40 days off that's just with me and the fam now hey you go tour it was just bow year and a half we out four days out the fucking week I'm out year and a half I got to get it well now let's go a month and a half let's stop for three weeks I'm with the fam so I still have my three days a week that I was here but then I'm gonna stop for three weeks this is dedicated to fam time don't nobody do anything with me or talk to me I'm I'm home now my office I was in that office when we fucking open office open to nine I'm there at eight you know there's a chance that I may be in that office till fucking six now yo no matter what guys that day in the office has to end it like three I gotta be home for dinner I got dinner with the fam my priorities have changed but it brings me back to the decisions that you're now able to make based off of life's circumstances life's lessons.

[877] So because of all of the shit that I went through, because of the things that I now got to see, because of that hospital room in those four walls and me seeing my family and what that love did for me and to me, well, I'd be damned if I fucking look past that.

[878] I'd be damned if I not do what I'm supposed to do and give that the same amount of attention in return.

[879] Because my eyes got open.

[880] Fuck, is that why that happened?

[881] What are you saying to me?

[882] Was I supposed to What?

[883] Okay, I'm going to assume I'm going to assume and I'm going to look at the signs that are clearly being given and I'm going to try my best to do my part.

[884] I'm going to try my best to grow.

[885] So my time now is so valuable but the priority within my time are making sure that the people that I love and that love me have some time when it's all said and done I want to know that I made those adjustments I want to know that I did my part you achieved that balance absolutely yeah but it was learned yeah it was learned now this is information yes it's fucking information and there's one side of information that I had which was go get it I'm out I'm out I got to go get it I don't got time to be fucking staying here man it's shit to do which I still do I don't want to make a scene like that isn't in me but there's a balance there's now a balance that's the trickiest shit in life it's it yeah it's to find that balance find a balance not just be a fucking savage out there grinding and attacking all day but to have that balance and appreciate especially appreciate family right it's it's it's something that i've that i've had to learn and that i'm still learning it's not something that i've knocked out the park completely yet because it's a growing fucking it's a living thing.

[886] Yeah, you just, you gotta just keep being a sponge and being willing to fucking grow.

[887] Tell me about this Audible thing.

[888] Audible is an amazing partner of mine now.

[889] My first book, I can't make this up, Life Lessons, was New York Times number one bestseller, and I got bit.

[890] I got bit by the bug.

[891] Wow.

[892] As an author, I wanted to write a book.

[893] I did it.

[894] Look at the success that it had.

[895] The opportunity came up for me to voice that book on Audible and the Audible success was just as good if not greater than my hardcover.

[896] And people love the fact that the stories were real, but hearing my voice and hearing me be personable while being real was a bonus from other things than they've ever had the privilege of listening to.

[897] So I said I want to do another one, man, but I'm big on this motivation, self -help, inspiration thing.

[898] I'm really big on trying to do my part.

[899] So as I was telling you earlier, I said in my life, man, I got so many stories of all of my twist and turns and right moves and wrong moves and decision making that enhance those moves or that devalued them and made them incorrect.

[900] Ultimately, if I were to give information, it's just to open up people's eyes, to open up your eyes to the reality of you competing with you.

[901] I want people to understand that we lose because we are okay with ignoring our faults, right?

[902] It's not until you can accept your faults, your bullshit, that you can grow and do better.

[903] We point the finger a lot by we, myself included.

[904] I'm an example of it.

[905] Yo, I didn't do that because nobody told me. I didn't get up.

[906] I didn't hear the alarm.

[907] Why didn't you call me and get me up?

[908] Yo, I didn't know he was going to go eat.

[909] Didn't nobody tell me he was going to go eat?

[910] I would have came to eat, I didn't tell me. I ain't know we had a test today.

[911] Why didn't you tell me we had a test today?

[912] I didn't study because there ain't nobody reach out and tell me. There's so many things that we place the blame on others for that are truly our responsibility.

[913] And it becomes a habit.

[914] It's a force of habit.

[915] So it's not until you break that habit, that you can do bigger and better shit.

[916] So this audible original of mine called the decision is about making you look at shit differently.

[917] Making you realize the tone of today and making you understand how much you're a part of it.

[918] I got a big thing on social media in there where I'm like, social media is mind fuck people into people now thinking that it's what the world thinks.

[919] Social media has mind fuck people into thinking that the comments below a post are what the world must be feeling and thinking about you.

[920] The insecurity levels have raised.

[921] to an all -time high because my belief is now I posted something people are saying these things underneath I don't want to go outside because this is how they feel so I've now put this shit in my head that as soon as I walk outside if you look at me you talk about my post ain't you I don't what post you fuck is you talking about right you saw my post didn't you and that's why you're looking at me like that I don't what do you what we now think that this is the way of the world right And we're so engulfed into it that the negative is so loud that you don't even see the positive.

[922] Even if it's overwhelmingly positive, just a few negatives.

[923] You don't see it.

[924] You don't see it.

[925] There was a black billionaire that paid off student loans.

[926] It was a story for about a day and a half.

[927] Another story popped up of reality tar.

[928] Suck somebody dick in the bathroom.

[929] It went on for three weeks.

[930] It was fucking crazy news.

[931] It was breaking fucking news.

[932] what this all over the place the reason why is because we spread the negative as people we've fallen in love with bad information and bad conversation yeah we're intrigued by it well it's a natural human instinct because those are the things that can kill you like from the days when we were you know living in small villages worried about animals attacking us you had to be always worried about negative negative is the thing you had to concentrate on because that could take your life positive was something that's great that's good and all but really got to concentrate on negative and unfortunately that human instinct is carried over into this time where we don't really have the same fear of danger that we had before for the most part but we still concentrate on these negative things you still concentrate on negative comments negative stories these negative things carry more weight because we have a natural inclination to keep an eye out for danger it's a it's like our human reward system's been hijacked it's been hijacked by social media, this new thing that we're not prepared for, reading anonymous, written things that are negative.

[933] And, you know, there's a book called The Codling of the American Mind by Jonathan Haidt, and he wrote about this with children, about how many, especially girls, so many girls are experiencing super high levels of self -harm, suicide, depression, all because of social media, because they're writing things and their friends are commenting on them, and people are anonymous.

[934] I'm saying, you stupid fat bitch.

[935] And it fucks with their head in a way that other generations before didn't have to deal with.

[936] Before social media, there was nothing that could affect them in this way.

[937] And, you know, it's tough because there's gifts and there's curses to it, of course.

[938] Like, there's an amazing benefit behind it.

[939] And, of course, now we're seeing the, you know, the bad within it.

[940] So what I encourage any and everybody that do is just understand who you are.

[941] truly understand who you are learn yourself yeah learn yourself learn your pros and your kinds get your flaws get them out the way but with you not to nobody else nobody this is a you and you thing of the shit that you know you need to work on and I'm telling you people when you really look yourself in the mirror and you start to pick yourself apart by yourself Yeah.

[942] There's only room for improvement.

[943] It's easy to ignore your bullshit.

[944] Also, other people can't tell you things you don't already know.

[945] Fuck.

[946] You're a thousand percent right.

[947] Yeah.

[948] You're a thousand percent right.

[949] And that's what this is.

[950] My audiobook is not a live like me tutorial.

[951] It's not a do what I did tutorial.

[952] I would never do that.

[953] because I don't have all the answers.

[954] All I have is stories and information that you can now be privy to that can allow you to make different fucking turns on this road of life.

[955] What was the motivation to do this?

[956] Was there a one thing or was it a buildup?

[957] Me being one of the only black guys in our entertainment space because there's a handful of us that get to look behind a curtain.

[958] there's a curtain there's another room and there's a curtain and then that room is some shit you're like god damn I didn't know y 'all was fucking doing this back here I didn't know y 'all was getting this type of money back here y 'all been doing this for how long this is how it happens there's a there's a room that you get in and the information and understanding that comes in it the end it's unreal the stuff that you start to discover but it's a discovery it's a discovery You've got to stumble upon this treasure of information and discovery.

[959] And if you don't, maybe you're in the right environment and you hear some stuff and you can ask some questions.

[960] But nine times out of ten, it's not offered.

[961] It's a search and find.

[962] And when I was constantly in those situations and I find myself saying, so how, but why?

[963] Well, then what did you do?

[964] Right.

[965] Damn, after that, then what?

[966] What the fuck did you, how did that even work?

[967] I was in a room with Jeff Bezos and Robert Kraft.

[968] This was the Patriots that won the Super Bowl.

[969] And we're in like this little private room after.

[970] And Tom Brady is like giving a speech, thanking Robert for all.

[971] Robert thinks Tom.

[972] And I'm with my wife and a friend.

[973] And Jeff Bezos walks in.

[974] My friend goes, they go to Jeff Bezos.

[975] I said, oh shit, I'm going to say, what's up?

[976] I said, that's a motherfucker.

[977] I would love to pick his brain.

[978] That's an interesting individual.

[979] No, don't do that.

[980] What do you mean?

[981] Don't do that.

[982] Who said, don't do that?

[983] My friend.

[984] No, no, no, no. Don't do that.

[985] Why?

[986] What are you talking about?

[987] Why are you going to do that?

[988] Kevin's a room full of people.

[989] Don't look like the dude that's thirsty.

[990] Thirsty for what?

[991] For fucking information?

[992] Dickface?

[993] We got into like little, we got into like a little fucking smack.

[994] For what?

[995] For fucking information?

[996] I want to fucking say hey I want to see my face I want to ask him some questions I ain't going to see this man no more I don't know him we're not on a phone number to phone number basis I'm gonna say what's up to him all right I have to you I'm just saying and this environment is just chill it's relaxed and that shit starts to click to me that's the problem everybody's too cool everybody's too fucking cool right everybody wants you to think that they know you don't know you don't know shit we don't know shit There's one Jeff Bezos.

[997] There's fucking one almost trillionaire.

[998] Hey, Jeff!

[999] Come here, man. Hey, man. First of all, explain a trillion to me. What is that?

[1000] How many zero?

[1001] What is that?

[1002] First of all, do you know how excited he must be to talk to you, too?

[1003] Who knows?

[1004] I'm going to fucking find out.

[1005] I'm going to fucking find out.

[1006] You know what I did, Joe?

[1007] What?

[1008] Hey, man, I'll be right back, babe.

[1009] Come on.

[1010] Took my wife with me. Hey, Jeff, I'm Kevin Hart.

[1011] How you doing, man?

[1012] Hey, Kevin.

[1013] How are you?

[1014] Jeff, this is my wife, Eniko.

[1015] Hey, hey, man. I admire you.

[1016] I don't fucking know anything about that world and death, but I admire you.

[1017] I admire you for being a guy that fucking created and accomplish some shit.

[1018] That is a phenomenon.

[1019] I want to shake your hand.

[1020] I would love to talk one day.

[1021] Kev, amen.

[1022] Good meaning you.

[1023] Quite sure we'll bump past one day.

[1024] Hey, if we do or don't, you're going to remember this.

[1025] I just want to tell you.

[1026] tell you I admire you.

[1027] I don't need shit.

[1028] I'm not asking for anything, but what I did, I set myself up for another conversation for when I got the opportunity.

[1029] You're talking here, but I'm going to come over, man. I admire you.

[1030] I want to fucking ask you a bunch of questions about this Amazon shit and ask you how you came up with it.

[1031] I don't think this is the time of place, but I want you to see my face.

[1032] Have you ever seen the photo of him sitting at his desk and there's a banner behind him, a plastic nylon, like hanging banner that says Amazon .com.

[1033] It's in like the 1990s when people are like, what the fuck you're doing?

[1034] Selling books on the internet and this is this shitty looking IKEA desk.

[1035] Look at this.

[1036] Look at him.

[1037] This is him here.

[1038] Jesus Christ.

[1039] Amazon .com.

[1040] And marker.

[1041] Yeah, it looks like spray paint.

[1042] Spray paint.

[1043] Look at this shit here.

[1044] Look at that shitty bullshit desk, that dorky looking dude.

[1045] Look at the cords.

[1046] Yeah.

[1047] Now he's off buff and jacked and shit.

[1048] Jesus.

[1049] Now he's a savage that's basically conquering the business world.

[1050] world.

[1051] Richest man, well, richest man publicly, I think there's a bunch of them oil billion or trillion.

[1052] Yeah, that's got some shit too.

[1053] They don't have to.

[1054] Yeah, they just shut up.

[1055] They don't want to say anything.

[1056] Yeah.

[1057] Either way, I was in a room with that man. Yeah.

[1058] I didn't, there wasn't a level of cool that I had that, that would keep me from just going and saying hello or asking a question for that matter.

[1059] Right.

[1060] And it's being in those spaces, that intrigued the thought.

[1061] I was like, dude, this is what I'm going to do.

[1062] I'm going to do my part.

[1063] I'm going to do my part and say it.

[1064] I'm going to say, hey, when it comes to producing and production, here's what I've done.

[1065] Here's the walls that I've hit, and here's where it's really hurt me. But here's what I've learned.

[1066] And here's why I do it this way.

[1067] My ambition is fueled from possibility.

[1068] I'm giving you all this shit.

[1069] I'm giving you all this shit.

[1070] What I'm going to do?

[1071] I'm going to die and take it with me?

[1072] Yeah.

[1073] I'm going to keep it in the coffin with me. I'm like, what am I'm going to do?

[1074] What am I'm doing?

[1075] Yeah.

[1076] I'm going to fucking give it.

[1077] Well, also, the possibility that some young kid could listen to this audio thing, listen to you talk about these things, and then one day succeed and run into you, the same way you ran into Jeff Bezos.

[1078] Oh, my God.

[1079] Run into you.

[1080] Kevin Hart.

[1081] Oh, my God.

[1082] I got where I am because I listened.

[1083] I listened to you talk about your life.

[1084] I listened to you talk about your fuckups.

[1085] And you made me feel like you were human.

[1086] Like, I thought you were just Kevin Hart.

[1087] Like when people see you, you're Kevin Hart, you're walking the red carpet, you're in Jumanji, you're all over the place.

[1088] It's fucking comedy specials for 50 ,000 people in arenas and shit.

[1089] People don't know that you're a human.

[1090] You don't seem like a human because you're not like a human that they know.

[1091] But when you talk and you talk about your life and some kid might just get a spark off of that and blow that spark, make that ember flame up and take over.

[1092] And next thing you know, you're running into that person at some other Super Bowl party.

[1093] I can't even, dude, I can't even tell you that's the, for me, that's, that's what it's about.

[1094] Yeah.

[1095] That's what it's about.

[1096] You're offering fuel.

[1097] That's, that's, that's, that's as strong as anything else.

[1098] Yeah.

[1099] And it's going to, it's going to impact some people.

[1100] You know, there's going to be people that don't have room for it, right?

[1101] They're all closed up.

[1102] It's a, you know, there's like a cup.

[1103] There's no room in their cup.

[1104] They're full of their own shit.

[1105] They're not, it's not going to get in there.

[1106] But there's other people, they're going to have a spot for you.

[1107] They're going to have a spot, and you're going to make that engine better.

[1108] You're going to make the whole engine of their life better.

[1109] There's things that I think about all the time when I'm working out or when I'm tired.

[1110] I think about inspirational things that people have said, and they get me through.

[1111] They shift, shifts my mind, steals me up, makes me think about things in a different way, and I can accomplish more because of those thoughts.

[1112] I can accomplish more because of that energy that some person, and you did that to me, man. You did that to me the last time we had a conversation.

[1113] I remember leaving our conversation going, that motherfucker is motivational.

[1114] And I got a lot of text messages from a lot of friends.

[1115] A lot of people go, that was a great one.

[1116] But it was a shift.

[1117] Like when someone is really getting after it in their life and you're around them, there's a shift in your own life.

[1118] And it's a tangible thing.

[1119] It's like if you could see it on a meter, you know, it's almost like your meter goes up.

[1120] And you feel it, but you don't quantify.

[1121] You don't it's not something you put on a scale.

[1122] It's not something you can see on a meter, but it's real and you got to believe it's real and know it's real.

[1123] And when you're doing this, when you're putting out this audiobook and even these conversations that you put out, when you people know what you've accomplished and you put these conversations out, it resonates, man. It's so valuable.

[1124] Did you, did you see a, did you watch the Jordan Duck?

[1125] No, I didn't.

[1126] You don't watch the Jordan Duck.

[1127] No, everybody's been telling me that.

[1128] No, you have to.

[1129] I know I have to.

[1130] You have to watch the Jordan Duck.

[1131] Listen, you, because he's, he's an alien.

[1132] He's one of us.

[1133] He's one of, he's one of those aliens that other aliens identify with.

[1134] And for people listening, when I say aliens, you know, it's a metaphor.

[1135] People, that doesn't mean it, we're fucking embracing aliens here.

[1136] I just get so much shit for everything that's that, okay?

[1137] It's a metaphor, okay?

[1138] but he he's different he's fucking different and what this shows you is how different mj was that man was a fucking winner he was a winner and and that's that's it like that's it mj won there is no other conversation when you watch this doc and you watch how he approached his days and why he approached it and the things that he did and his reason for doing him and ultimately what he wanted and what his priority and what his goals were you go fuck he did it we know why he did it it's not a coincidence that he's a champion It's destiny.

[1139] He, there was no other option.

[1140] It was champion or bus.

[1141] There was no six -time MVP's All -Star and the defensive player the year and, you know, most likable player in the league and most marketable.

[1142] No. No. If it's not a champion attached to my name with several fucking trophies attached, there is.

[1143] no other conversations and you motherfuckers around me if you do not understand why I am the way I am then this is not the place for you do your job I've never heard Michael Jordan talk the way the documentary showed him talk do your fucking job when I pass you the ball hit the fucking shot that person now has to get better because I'm so nervous that if Mike passed me the ball and I missed this fucking shot, I'm never going to get a shot again.

[1144] Yeah.

[1145] Do your fucking job.

[1146] When Mike is talking to you like that, I thought we was just playing basketball.

[1147] I thought I was out here having a good time.

[1148] Oh, wait, this is my job.

[1149] This is my profession.

[1150] I'm supposed to do this, this, and this.

[1151] If I don't do this, I'm failing at my job.

[1152] You see these players today.

[1153] you see the way that they are I promise you man rest in peace Kobe Bryant every bit of the same they give my guy LJ Flack and shit I promise you LeBron James is nothing short of that I promise you these people that are winning fucking win because there is no other option you have to watch this doc and Joe you got to text me after okay text me after and just go holy fucking shit holy shit man I get it kev and the fuel that you're talking about and that meter I promise you your meter fucking I got it after the dot I got up I was with my laptop hat I got it shit I'm over here watching the dot let me think of what the next thing is it instantly instantly fuel fuel instant fuel last time I felt that was the Tyson documentary I was strong That was strong.

[1154] Dude, there's the time when he's talking about walking into the ring as he steps in the ring, like all the nervousness, all the things are going through, he says, and that is his confidence builds as he gets towards the ring and he steps through the ropes, I'm a God.

[1155] When he says that, I'm like, holy shit.

[1156] If I cook pumps from popping up, I was like, oh, my God.

[1157] That's the Dosecchi's man to me. Yeah.

[1158] That's the Dosecchi's man to me. It's crazy he's fighting again?

[1159] That is the Dosecchi's man to me, the most interesting man in America.

[1160] That, Mike Tyson, is that there are so many different levels and pieces of death to Mike Tyson in his story.

[1161] I mean, it's one of the strongest docs I've ever seen.

[1162] Well, he's one of those guys, one of those super winners that just, I mean, when he was young, I mean, everyone knows the story, but if you don't, he was basically had no love in his life until he met Custamato and Custamato became a father figure but also Custamato was a hypnotist and a psychologist in a lot of ways and a fantastic boxing coach as well and took this young kid and showed him that you're going to get love from accomplishment and you're going to conquer and you're going to become the greatest heavyweight boxer of all time and through his tutelage up until the moment that he died Mike Tyson was just a just a phenom a thing that that we had never seen before.

[1163] He was the pit bull with no leash that respected one person.

[1164] Yes.

[1165] And anybody else at any given time feared to fuck out of this pit bull because nobody else knew, hey man. Yeah.

[1166] Who's, what is?

[1167] Hey.

[1168] Yeah.

[1169] Somebody got to get this.

[1170] Hey, who?

[1171] Yeah.

[1172] What is this wit?

[1173] Who?

[1174] until this day if I see Mike there's still there's a little nervousness for no reason for sure and it's not like he's coming in with this thing like I'm killing everybody no but there's a he's a most loving man in the world you talk to him he saw a spoken but there's still a little thing like is Mike going to hit me my friend Kevin Lee said it best Kevin Lee fights for the UFC he said when he's sitting next to him he goes he goes that's a lion he goes I'm sitting next to him like Mike Tyson he goes that's a lion he's like He's sitting next to him, like, okay?

[1175] I hope everything's cool.

[1176] Oh, my God.

[1177] You know, this fight, man, I just, you know, wish him the best.

[1178] I know he's back to training and stuff.

[1179] You know, you just want him to be safe and healthy in his time.

[1180] But, you know, that's the man. I don't ever count out.

[1181] But, God damn, seeing him just put up those little displays of...

[1182] Terrified.

[1183] It's what?

[1184] Terrified.

[1185] Heat -seeking missiles coming from his shoulders.

[1186] Well, not only that, he wasn't doing anything like a year ago.

[1187] When I had him in here for the podcast, he said he didn't want to stoke his ego.

[1188] He didn't want to work out.

[1189] He goes, because if I work out, my ego fires up.

[1190] There he is.

[1191] Look at this shit here.

[1192] But, you know, that's interesting, but that's just shadowboxing.

[1193] What was crazy is he's training with Hafeel Cordero, who's one of the best MMA trainers, one of the best striking trainers in the world.

[1194] He came from a legendary camp out of Brazil, Curitiba, Brazil, called Shoot the Box.

[1195] It's like the legendary team of marauders from Brazil.

[1196] They were like the golden glory days of pride.

[1197] Pride was a competitor to the UFC was defined in a lot of ways.

[1198] The glory days were defined by this one team from Brazil that Hafeo Caldera was a part of.

[1199] And then that guy training Mike Tyson now, and he's been super successful training mixed martial arts fighters too.

[1200] But I found it very interesting that Mike chose to train with that guy and to see the way they're going at.

[1201] I mean, he's not boxing.

[1202] He's trying to destroy motherfuckers.

[1203] Listen, you, you, I respect the trainer.

[1204] I respect the trainer for standing in that, in the way of that shit.

[1205] Like that's, one, one, one accidental, oops, oops.

[1206] Missiles.

[1207] Just missiles are coming right in his head.

[1208] Boom, boom, boom.

[1209] You got to just, you got to just bow down.

[1210] Yeah.

[1211] And, you know what, man?

[1212] we're still in the presence of greatness and as people I don't I don't think we should ever forget that Well what's crazy is he's 53 years old He's doing this and he's only been doing this again For like less than a year So it's only been like four or five months He's really been training hard And everything's just coming back It's I mean I wonder I wonder what it is I wonder if he just was bored I mean I really wonder This is the crazy shit Jesus Christ I mean that's If you saw that guy If you saw that guy training and he was a 22 -year -old kid, you're like, man, this motherfucker's going to be something.

[1213] Because he's just got an intensity that you rarely see from any fighter.

[1214] There's a fury that burns inside of him.

[1215] You can't manufacture that.

[1216] You either have that or you don't, and he found a way to read it.

[1217] Reignited.

[1218] I swear you beat me to it.

[1219] You beat me to it.

[1220] But isn't that what we hope for?

[1221] Or, you know, we hope that we get, you know, I think at that age 50, that's a, that's a very pivotal, pivotal, pivotal, how do you say that word, pivotal, pivotal, right?

[1222] That's a very pivotal word, pivotal point in your life.

[1223] Because, you know, from when you're born to 50, that's, okay, all my years of fun are out the way, my, my craziness, my, my, my craziness, my.

[1224] growth, my maturity, and now I'm supposed to start to be a little complacent.

[1225] And, you know, I'm now at that hill where I'm looking on the other side of life.

[1226] Like now it's time to go on that other side.

[1227] And when you're on the other side, you know, even if you're still on a high about living and about career and everything, you're on the other side.

[1228] It's a different thing when you're on the other side.

[1229] I made it here.

[1230] Now, how many more years?

[1231] It's, it's, It's a blessing to get more time after this because I made it to the top.

[1232] And now, you know, on this other side, is it relaxing?

[1233] Is it not?

[1234] Am I comfortable?

[1235] Am I a little depressed that I'm getting old?

[1236] Am I not?

[1237] Whatever those emotions and feelings are, they're real.

[1238] And a lot of people experience it had them.

[1239] So to find something else to make you go, I'm ready again, Will Smith did it.

[1240] Will Smith kicked in.

[1241] Yeah.

[1242] Will Smith, something clicked.

[1243] something clicked on will Smith for years will Smith wasn't around and will to talk to you will to talk to you will tell you but something clicked and he said at this age at 50 I'm going to go get it again I'm a go after it again because I can like it's something in there that will Smith realizes that he has and at any given moment I can't can.

[1244] And that's what Will Smith showed us.

[1245] Will Smith wasn't on social media.

[1246] Will Smith wasn't in this, you know, in the generation X, you know, he wasn't in our face.

[1247] He wasn't up in the fucking vlogs and shit in YouTube on the day to day.

[1248] He didn't have more movies coming out.

[1249] It was very far feeling in between.

[1250] And then he said, I'll do it when the fuck I want.

[1251] And he turned it on.

[1252] 30 -something million followers 40 -something million followers whatever vlogs on YouTube I'm on Snapchat I'm on it all Twitter TikTok I'm gonna show you how to do it I got my own team we showed you guys a new way to do this shit I'm producing it different than it was I'm back to doing movies here's my new movies we're using a new technology Jim and I man young me old me he's fucking doing what he wants because he said he can everybody doesn't have that everybody can't do that you got a lot of people to try but they don't do that you don't go from being number one and saying I'm not going to do it and I have some failures or whatever in here and it fall up fucking I'm ready to be number one again that's some of our favorite stories though or someone who comes back like Dave Chappelle's a perfect example of that I can do what the fuck I want not only that Dave did it in a legendary way they are from all this money to do this Comedy Central show in a different way.

[1253] They want him to change it and tone it down.

[1254] They want to make it more suitable for advertisers, too many voices.

[1255] And he's like, you know what, I'm just going to go to Africa.

[1256] I'm out.

[1257] He just went to Africa.

[1258] I'm out.

[1259] Just took off and then came back and said, I quit.

[1260] And then stop doing stand -up.

[1261] He was doing, I don't know if you know, he was doing stand -up in a park in Seattle.

[1262] He'd show up with a fucking box and just do it.

[1263] Plug a microphone into it and just start doing stand -up and people would gather around like what the fuck is happening here no he didn't want any money he would just show up at shows if he wanted to do a show he would show up at a comedy club no money just show up do a show after the show is over are you ready to laugh it's a great dave chapelle story i'm in seattle i think i was in seattle sold out got like some arena fucking thing i'm doing in seattle and we got two shows same night we do about 30 000 people right it's fucking great day in seattle i get word that dave chappelle is in seattle and dave chappelle randomly put up a theater show and he's performing tonight yeah he's performing tonight called date david you fucking in seattle yeah wouldn't you book a show here i would have fucking came dude i'm here i'm at the theater oh i didn't even know man what did you mean dave i'm at the fucking arena I'm going to see if I can get down there to you.

[1264] All right, man, yeah, I just put them up.

[1265] What time do you think you're going to get here?

[1266] I don't know.

[1267] After my show, I'll push the time back, man. Dave, what?

[1268] Push the time back.

[1269] What did you put on stuff?

[1270] I don't know, man. I just tell them I'll do it and I'll show up, man. I just call them telling them I'm going to push it back, man. I get to the fucking theater.

[1271] I rush after our show.

[1272] Dave has a. a trailer and there's like a little motor thing on the back of the trailer it's like a little bus fucking motor trend like bus and then there's like a little the things that you pull shit in attached to it I said what are you doing here he's like I don't know man we've been doing cross country we're taking our bikes man we ride across country so I just when I need money I just book a show and just tell what what What?

[1273] What the fuck?

[1274] He's so different.

[1275] He's so different and he's so him.

[1276] But the freedom.

[1277] Yeah.

[1278] Dave has a level of freedom.

[1279] Me and Chris Rock talk about it, man. No one's like him.

[1280] His level of freedom, I put myself in this place.

[1281] You know, I got the corporate relationships and the CEO hat and the companies.

[1282] So, you know, I can't do certain things because the consequences aren't just for me. It's for the people that are underneath this umbrella if something were to happen.

[1283] It's, I have to be, I have to be responsible.

[1284] I have to, I have to understand that it's not just about me. Right.

[1285] And I'm envious and jealous of Dave's ability to go and be free as a comic in the times where we desperately need to be.

[1286] Yes.

[1287] We desperately need to be and Dave can be.

[1288] and I bow down to him.

[1289] I don't give a fuck about these numbers, anything I got.

[1290] Dave, in my opinion, you're the goat.

[1291] In my opinion, your last special has allowed you to surpass the Richard Pryor, in my opinion.

[1292] Dave Chappelle, I got to witness do groundbreaking.

[1293] controversial movement as a comedian in the times where comedy was being frowned upon comedians were being held accountable for doing what we thought we would never be ridiculed for the one person that stood on a pedestal that got the attention that no others can get outside of myself a rock a Seinfeld he said in the time where the fucking fire is the hottest I'm going to do what nobody else will you got to fucking applaud that he stood up for comedy he stood up for comedy whether you want to see that or not right he did that yes he did it when there's the most pressure when it was the most fucking pressure and when the times of we can cancel you.

[1294] By the way, which is the stupidest shit that I've ever fucking witnessed in my 40 years of life.

[1295] The whole idea of I can kill you today with the goddamn click of a button and I can end your life.

[1296] By the way, this is a real feeling that people had.

[1297] I'm in control of your life.

[1298] If I want your life to stop and be over, I'll cancel you.

[1299] And that means you can't live no more.

[1300] This is how ridiculous it is.

[1301] Think about the meaning of council culture.

[1302] So you're saying that my life is over I can no longer survive or provide for myself.

[1303] Cancel.

[1304] I don't know.

[1305] Figure it out.

[1306] You're canceled.

[1307] Dave Chappelle said, fuck all that.

[1308] Do what you're going to do.

[1309] I'm going to do me. That is epic.

[1310] That is groundbreaking.

[1311] That is goat -like behavior.

[1312] So I bow down to Mr. Chappelle.

[1313] He's very important.

[1314] He's one of the most important figures in the history of comedy.

[1315] Absolutely.

[1316] Because of the fact that he's willing to do this when the scrutiny is the highest.

[1317] You know?

[1318] And also just his story, the way he did it, the way he walked away for 10 years, and then came back and immediately went right to the top.

[1319] You know?

[1320] That is my, that is my brother from another mother.

[1321] I love him.

[1322] Chris Rock, me, I give you one more.

[1323] Me and Chris Rock were at the comedy cellar.

[1324] I call Chris.

[1325] Hey, Chris, come down to the cellar, man. I'm working some jokes tonight.

[1326] I'll see what you think.

[1327] All right, Kev.

[1328] I'll come down.

[1329] Chris comes down.

[1330] He says, yeah, I'm going to get up.

[1331] too i got some shit i'm working on too so tell me what you think but i go on stage chris rock sits in the back of the cellar get off stage chris like funny shit kev dope i said yeah you like it right got some stuff got some notes he said y 'all i'm about to go out aren't done i'm sitting here watch you chris goes up chris got some funny shit fuck chris funny i like it man chris have a nice conversation to go upstairs we're about to eat dave comes in what up d 'n't what you're doing i was gonna go up oh fuck man chris went up we're gonna come down and watch you all right Dave goes on stage.

[1332] Dave does about an hour.

[1333] There's a moment where Dave is probably at about 40, 45 minutes in.

[1334] Me and Chris both look at each other.

[1335] And at the same time, without saying the word, bawled up the material that we just worked on.

[1336] We fucking, without saying it, without saying it, I ripped the page that I had in my little book and Chris just bawled up his little fucking thing.

[1337] And we were like, he's unbelievable.

[1338] We came in.

[1339] crafted we got some shit that we wanted to fucking work on Dave just went up there and talked it's like he's living like a legend you know what I mean like if you wanted to have a legend of a comedian you would talk about a guy who created the greatest sketch show of all time I mean it only went for two seasons but when you talk about sketches like Clayton Bigsby when you talk about the Rick James shit these are so classic they're unstoppable and then he goes away he goes away like fucking mountain man he vanishes he's in a farm in ohio you hear where is he he's on a farm he got a fucking farm he's on a farm in ohio what is he doing comedy sometimes randomly just shows up at his barn he does this for 10 years i was in denver right and this is before his comeback i was in denver and um i'm doing stand -up and uh i get off stage and i open the green room and dave's there i go dave what he doing and he goes oh hey joe i just decided to fly into denver i go you don't have a show schedule nothing goes no man i heard you were here i decided flying i go do you want to go up he goes oh should i go fuck yeah hold on a second i run back people are leaving people are getting up i go come back come back tell everybody to come back i go dave chapelle's here and like what they all come back sit down and he does 40 minutes and destroys i love the the best part of that story is you want to go up.

[1340] Should I?

[1341] Dave.

[1342] Dave, you just took a flight to Denver.

[1343] Yeah, Dave, why not?

[1344] I guess.

[1345] So then he takes me out.

[1346] We go out on the town to all these fucking spots that I didn't even know existed in Denver.

[1347] He knows where all these after -hours places are.

[1348] You go behind an alley.

[1349] You knock on a door.

[1350] They open it up.

[1351] Everything's velvet line.

[1352] There's a small private bar.

[1353] He's plugged in.

[1354] He's one of one.

[1355] One of one.

[1356] One of one.

[1357] One of one.

[1358] This is what the fuck it should be.

[1359] Like you see, this is, this is us embracing.

[1360] This is us embracing.

[1361] We're embracing someone.

[1362] Yes.

[1363] Embracing, God, there's nothing wrong with that world.

[1364] It's important.

[1365] There's nothing wrong with embracing someone that's doing fucking what you can deem as great shit.

[1366] You're supposed to.

[1367] You're supposed to.

[1368] You have to.

[1369] You have to, you have to sing praise, shower praise on people that are doing it the right.

[1370] way yeah no one's ever done it better than Dave he's doing it the right way no and even like I said even the legendary story it's like a he's like a character in a book you know what I'm saying a mountain man he's like a mountain man he goes off to a farm outside a date in Ohio who the fuck does that by the way tells me keff you got to come down to the farm Dave I don't what I don't no one has that kind of time I don't want to what do you want me to do down there Dave what do you got to come down man It's a good time.

[1371] We're going to have a good time, man. It's the barn, fires, music, Dave.

[1372] It's a farm.

[1373] You got to promise me. All right, I'm coming, Dave.

[1374] I fucking, like, literally, I can only hope to be remotely close to as creative as he is at that point in my career and find his jello.

[1375] Like, he's in an amazing jello right now.

[1376] He knows who he is, right?

[1377] And he's not compromising him.

[1378] And no one can tell him.

[1379] him any different.

[1380] He is who he is.

[1381] I mean, he just, he's unapologetically himself and he gets it.

[1382] Part of his brilliance is not just being in a brilliant observer and a brilliant orator and a describer of life, but also in being who he is perfectly.

[1383] Like he doesn't have any conflict in being who he is.

[1384] He knows how to do it.

[1385] He knows how to do it right.

[1386] And he's okay with not having.

[1387] And when he walks on stage, man, he strolls on that stage, like he belongs there.

[1388] He's okay.

[1389] Yeah.

[1390] He doesn't get the fuck.

[1391] You know Eddie Murphy?

[1392] I've met Eddie Murphy.

[1393] I don't know him very well, but I knew his brother Charlie very well.

[1394] Listen, Eddie, we had a dinner one night, and it was Eddie Murphy, Dave Chappelle, me, Chris Rock, Chris Tucker.

[1395] Holy shit.

[1396] And Dwayne Wade, Gabriel, you.

[1397] and usher head came.

[1398] So we're at this dinner and me and Chris was like, yo, we should get, let's just put a dinner together where we all just come out because me and Chris love to fucking just hear Eddie go.

[1399] Like Eddie is pound for pound the funniest person you can ever be around, like effortlessly.

[1400] Not trying, just in story.

[1401] This dinner goes down to history is the funniest night of my life in conversation.

[1402] And you got to see comics be in awe of one another.

[1403] You got to see us appreciate each other.

[1404] Like everybody talked and this wasn't a one -up story.

[1405] This was a conversation.

[1406] But you saw why the goats were the goats.

[1407] Yes.

[1408] You saw why the goats were the goats.

[1409] You clearly saw that I was young in class and I'm the guy that's coming up in the rear and I'm like, I'm happy to be there.

[1410] You must be ecstatic to be there.

[1411] Man, I'm fucking smiling.

[1412] Look at air to air.

[1413] There's a picture of it.

[1414] That's it right there.

[1415] Holy shit.

[1416] I'm smiling air to air.

[1417] Wow.

[1418] Damn, Jamie.

[1419] Skills.

[1420] I'm smiling air to fucking air.

[1421] And I remember there was a moment where we were talking and Eddie would say something and then Chris said like, Like, come on, man, you know damn well.

[1422] Eddie, anybody doing that?

[1423] And then you'll fucking hear, Dave, shut up.

[1424] Damn it, Chris, which is rock.

[1425] And then I'm just there quiet.

[1426] I'm just fucking quiet.

[1427] Wow.

[1428] And then I would have moments where I would tune in.

[1429] But literally, you saw why the goats were the goats.

[1430] Wow.

[1431] I'm telling me one of the most epic dinners, I have this picture framed in my house.

[1432] That's amazing.

[1433] That's an amazing picture.

[1434] Framed in my fucking house.

[1435] God, I hope Eddie comes back.

[1436] I know he's been talking about it.

[1437] He's been talking about it.

[1438] Did you see that one thing that he did?

[1439] There was some sort of an award show where he came up and talked on the podium and he was doing material and he was talking about them taking away Bill Cosby's degrees.

[1440] No. You never seen it?

[1441] Oh, Jamie, find it, find it.

[1442] Recent?

[1443] It's recent?

[1444] It's like within the last couple of years.

[1445] Bro, his timing is on point.

[1446] It's like he would just get up there right now and murder.

[1447] Well, you saw it also in his SNL sketch.

[1448] He did the one SNL sketch where he did the It was like the holiday The holiday family And it was like the black family And his daughter brought the white guy home And it was the black family's reaction to it Because he was staying there over the weekend So Eddie was the dad But you saw his timing It's still there man He's still fucking Eddie Murphy Hey we'll play this and we'll wrap this up We'll just end it on this Your shit is available on Audible Yes sir Now?

[1449] Right now You're a brilliant person I really appreciate you i appreciate you being here i fuck with you joe i'm serious man i i want to say this i couldn't be happier for you and for all of your listeners all of your supporters i want to thank y 'all for staying with this man and riding with this man through the years because you know to build something and have that something means something that's valuable dude you you serve a very strong purpose in today's time I'm a fan and I'm happy to call myself a friend I fuck what you Joe I mean that man I appreciate you Eddie Murphy ladies and gentlemen listen to us Bill did you make Bill give his back no because I know there was a big outcry from people it was trying to get Bill to give his trophies back you know you you f*** up when they want you to give your trophies back his trophy back to him he should do one show we just come out and just talk crazy now I would like to talk to some of the people who feel that I should give back my...

[1450] Oh, it's only a piece of it, huh?

[1451] Oh, my God.

[1452] The whole thing's on there, but it's...

[1453] Oh, my God.

[1454] Mark Twain's speech.

[1455] Wow.

[1456] Well, if we play more, they'll probably pull it down anyway.

[1457] That's good enough.

[1458] Oh, my God.

[1459] It was brilliant.

[1460] Strong.

[1461] Thank you so much, thank you, brother.

[1462] Bye, everybody.