#1285 - B-Real

[0] three two one boom what's up brother how are you good to see you my friend always thanks for having a while man yeah we've both been busy it's crazy and in the meantime we became legal yes you guys were at the forefront man you guys were way ahead you were ahead of everybody you know we took a shot you know as stoners and advocates and whatnot you know we were stoners at first right you know that's how you start like you know your friend says hey man try this or you're the one who says try this right it's one or the other and you know eventually you start getting into the high times magazines and stuff like that and looking at the you know the centerfold pictures of the weed but also we like we like to read to occasionally so you know we'd get into some of the activism aspect of it as well and that's when we heard names like jack herrere who pretty much opened our eyes to everything.

[1] And then, you know, I think we became real advocates.

[2] You know, at first, you know, we thought we were, you know, sort of, we read the high times magazines that we were stoner, so we thought we were advocates.

[3] But like in reading what other freedom fighters were actually doing out there and protests and rallies and all that stuff, you know, we really weren't advocates like we thought.

[4] We became that later for sure.

[5] Yeah, Jack was way, way ahead of the curve.

[6] He's such an interesting story, rest in peace, because he was a Goldwater Republican.

[7] He was just a button -down old -school Republican.

[8] And then he got a girlfriend.

[9] And then his girlfriend got him smoking weed.

[10] Yeah.

[11] And then all of a sudden he's like, man, this is fucking amazing.

[12] God, why am I such a dick?

[13] What's wrong with me?

[14] Who am I?

[15] What am I doing my life?

[16] Absolutely.

[17] It totally flipped his life around.

[18] Yeah.

[19] The emperor wears no clothes.

[20] It's a fucking great book, man. Yeah, it holds strong to this day.

[21] because everything that he said in the book is sort of happening right now.

[22] All the stuff that they, you know, they tried to prevent from happening through all the anti -cannabis propaganda.

[23] Yeah.

[24] You see it now.

[25] And now you see those very companies trying to get into the industry.

[26] Yeah, they were always on the outside of waiting.

[27] You know, there was always at the launching block, not quite ready to run, but any minute now it's going to get legal.

[28] Yeah, exactly.

[29] I mean, you know, they're lying in wait with fields like acre.

[30] that no one can ever come close to probably right yeah i mean the the thing i heard maybe like five years ago before it was legal in denver or it was a bit longer than that before we got legalization here um that you know companies like philip morris and and you know companies like that were already buying land and already um trademarking names yeah you know for some of the cannabis that we know today so that when they come into the game, you know, they have ownership on some of the names and some of the brands and in trademarks and stuff like that to that.

[31] And obviously the acreage to, you know, grow vast sums of cannabis.

[32] Yeah.

[33] You know, who knows how true that is, but I don't doubt some of that.

[34] I don't doubt it either.

[35] The sneakiest shit was Ohio.

[36] Ohio was, they were trying to make it legal, but if they were going to make it legal, there was only like it was like two companies that were out james from oh i think like four but i i think that is how it went yeah they were the only one's going to be allowed to grow it and sell it like fuck fuck you monopoly that is not legal weed that is you being a cunt that's monopoly yeah that's crazy you know yeah because you know you had like people that got those uh licenses or permits or whatever that had no knowledge on on on the cannabis culture or or business how to cultivate and how to run retail stores or any of that.

[37] They didn't have any of that knowledge.

[38] And, you know, they'll usually give it to an insider because they know how much money they stand to make like that.

[39] That's like if there was just one distribution center, right?

[40] And everybody has to go through that distribution center.

[41] How much money does that distribution center make?

[42] Because you've got to pay for your shit to go there.

[43] And then, you know, who knows if it, well, you know if it passes because you know, as a cultivator what you did so you'll know it'll pass because it's clean but you still got to pay that fee every time and it's got to go through them fortunately here in california you know they've allowed people to have distribution licenses so that there's not one distribution center because that would be a monopoly for sure and that's what they wanted to supposedly you know the lobbyist that that put 64 together were trying to stop it from being a monopoly and uh corporations coming in and taking over and stuff like that you know so interesting because pot is such a non -corporate drug you know it's such a non -corporate thing that these corporations were trying to get a grip yeah on weed it just it seemed it seemed obscene you know it seemed it seemed disgusting yeah it's it's a little out of place you know a lot out of place right you know because you you think about where it comes from and it's been outlaw for so long it's kind of like you you know, the way alcohol was for so long.

[44] Way longer than alcohol, but it's been demonized longer, yes.

[45] And now, you know, you have people trying to come in and throw money into it.

[46] And they got, you know, and some of these guys don't realize it's not just about the money into it.

[47] You've got to do the diligence on what this business is.

[48] You can't cut corners on the cultivation.

[49] You know, you can't cut corners on quality because people, you know, they're, there's more information out there.

[50] Yeah.

[51] You know, so people know.

[52] Even if they're not a connoisseur, as a consumer, you know, they can read about shit.

[53] They can learn about stuff.

[54] So if you're getting over on them or if you're putting some shit quality product out there, I mean, people are going to know.

[55] And all that money that these guys put into trying to get into the cannabis business, they're just throwing it into the fire.

[56] Yeah.

[57] Some of them will come out of it.

[58] You know, they'll partner up with brands that exist and people that have knowledge.

[59] But, you know, it's, it's the corporations that come in in the next five years, it's going to be, it's going to be interesting.

[60] Because I do think that it's set up for them to come in.

[61] The taxes are so high right now for the consumer and for the cultivator and for the retail shop that you got to survive this wash right now that's happening.

[62] In order to still be, you know, doing business when the corporate structure comes in.

[63] Because please believe they're going to lobby so that those taxes come down because the margins are not right, you know, as 40 % taxes.

[64] Is that what it is now?

[65] It was 39 in Denver, right?

[66] Yeah, but here in California, it's, you know, 40%.

[67] But to the consumer, the consumer's like, who gives a fuck?

[68] If I could just pull in and get some weed real quick.

[69] They should give a fuck.

[70] They should.

[71] But in comparison to alcohol, like how much it costs, if you go out for a night for some drinks, it costs way more.

[72] You get high for a month on what it takes to get a few drinks in a night.

[73] Depending where you go, those fucking drinks are even double.

[74] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[75] And with less alcohol.

[76] Well, the other thing is that these companies, they don't understand the culture.

[77] It's a different culture.

[78] You can't bullshit us.

[79] You can't bullshit us with marketing and advertising.

[80] That shit is not going to work.

[81] You can't have, like, the most interesting man in the world selling weed.

[82] Stay thirsty, my friends.

[83] No. No, that ain't going to work.

[84] You've got to get somebody like Michael Phelps.

[85] Yeah, man. For right?

[86] Michael Phelps, man. I would buy weed from Michael Phelps.

[87] How funny was it that he got in trouble for that?

[88] You know, what I find it funny is how, you know, they put these stereotypes on stoners for so long, like they were lazy, unproductive and all that stuff.

[89] This guy is one of the most decorated Olympians.

[90] in the history.

[91] You know what I mean?

[92] What has he got?

[93] Like 15 gold fucking metals.

[94] Something preposterous.

[95] Yeah.

[96] Mr. Big Lungs.

[97] That's what we call him.

[98] Mr. Big Lungs.

[99] That guy probably could take a rip on a bong.

[100] Think about it.

[101] Oh my God.

[102] I mean, shit.

[103] Right.

[104] He had probably his crazy capacity.

[105] There it is.

[106] Probably snap a two gram bowl this guy.

[107] Who was the person who ratted him out?

[108] Some low...

[109] Some kid.

[110] Some dirt bag.

[111] A little dickhead.

[112] What a piece of shit.

[113] Yeah.

[114] Imagine it's going on a part of.

[115] trying to have a good time some kids there with his phone that's social network for you though they want to go viral so they'll they'll get you in that moment where you know you're supposed to be a friend but that was like before a lot of that shit was happening like what year was that let's guess what year was that 12 2012 well before yeah before uh let's just say before you know uh instagram kicked off but there was still youtube and twitter yeah you know if you wanted to put somebody on blast or you wanted to have a viral video YouTube has been there for a long time yeah Twitter was like 2007 right wasn't that I believe so yeah yeah I think when was Michael when was Michael Phelps when did he get in trouble I'm looking it's I'm seeing different stuff so I saw a picture of it on YouTube from 2009 so that means it would have been in 2008 Olympics but oh that seems that makes sense like it was a long time ago yeah that makes sense though because he didn't it came back right yeah He retired, and then he came back.

[116] Well, I think he was suspended.

[117] I think he was suspended.

[118] Yeah, 2009 is when he got caught.

[119] And then he had to, you know, do the suspension, and he came back and got some more medals.

[120] Like, ha, ha, fuck you, right?

[121] I love that.

[122] Was he suspended because of the weed?

[123] Yeah.

[124] Well, you know, hey, listen, in a lot of places, it's still on a banned substance list.

[125] Oh, yeah, Texas.

[126] Texas is real bad.

[127] February, 2000, well, 2009, he was only 23.

[128] I apologize for an incident where he's caught on camera to party, smoking a bomb that was allegedly marijuana.

[129] You know, he shouldn't have apologized for that.

[130] He shouldn't have had to have apologized for that.

[131] The thing is that they have those guys bent over a box because they're all just trying to get that sponsorship money.

[132] Right.

[133] Yeah, you have to be squeaky clean if you want to be on the Wheaties box.

[134] Yeah, if you're an Olympian.

[135] Yeah.

[136] They're not going to put Cypress Hill on the Wheaties box just yet.

[137] Wouldn't that be great, though, but take the TH out and add it.

[138] and put a D and I E -E -S at the end.

[139] Let's go.

[140] Wheaties.

[141] Yeah, I don't know, man. You guys were so far ahead of the curve, though.

[142] You know, I mean, you were, you had weed songs.

[143] Like, when?

[144] Like, what year?

[145] That was, uh, the first album was in 91.

[146] Yeah.

[147] And we started writing for that album probably, uh, four years prior.

[148] Wow.

[149] And, uh, you know, the weed songs, those came about because we were weed heads.

[150] You know, we just, fuck it, let's be ourselves, right?

[151] It's a different thing, though, for people that were fans.

[152] Because when I was listening to you, I was just getting ready to move from Boston to New York.

[153] And back then, you would hear about new hip -hop bands from, like, friends.

[154] Yeah.

[155] Like, you did, like, there was no word of mouth, yeah, for sure.

[156] I would hear about it, like, somebody that I think somebody I worked out with had it.

[157] And I was like, what the fuck is this?

[158] And then, like, that's Cypress Hill.

[159] It's like, damn.

[160] Yeah, we were trying to be different, you know, not sound like a typical West Coast, you know, group.

[161] Right.

[162] Because a lot of West Coast groups at that point, you know, what the labels were looking for were NWA, you know, types and, you know, things like that.

[163] Like either, you know, gangster, West Coast gangster rap.

[164] They were looking for that or either the Kid Frost Chicano type.

[165] Yeah.

[166] And we don't want to do that.

[167] We don't want to foothold ourselves like that.

[168] you know, Mugs being from New York, he wanted to sort of blend both worlds, right?

[169] So, you know, we went with the East Coast type sound with L .A. you know, type of slang mixed with with East Coast slang.

[170] And so people, you know, they were like, where the fuck are these guys from?

[171] And people thought we were from Cypress Hill, New York, because there's a Cypress Hill down there.

[172] And, you know, people just didn't really know at first because we were one of the first groups that didn't put our images on any of our first, you know any of our singles or our art covers we never did like the the shots like you know that that we're existing at that time where it's a clean shot of the group or the artist or whatever we were always on some you know because we were metalheads too you know before the hip hop we like the obscure metal album so we didn't we were like we're not going to put ourselves on the covers we're just going to do these crazy obscure covers and make people you know try to guess who we are be mysterious.

[173] Damn, we talk about longevity.

[174] I mean, you guys, you guys been around a long fucking time.

[175] It's crazy.

[176] It's crazy.

[177] You know, um, we, we didn't expect it.

[178] We didn't know how long our run would be.

[179] We just kept working, you know, we always had a strong work ethic.

[180] We were never the types just to sit around.

[181] We were always doing something, you know, Mugs is always making beats, um, you know, I'm always riding to something.

[182] I'm always into one project or another.

[183] So it's, always just about keeping busy and that that suited us well it's crazy 28 years later still banging it's crazy what you say it 28 years 28 years later from your first album man and again you guys never dropped off for a second not once you were always there you have to be consistent in hip hop you know in music in general especially like if if there's a time where radio stops playing your music or you know as m tv stop playing music videos and they went for more um reality show type programming you got you got to stick out there so for us it was you know constantly doing shows we didn't put out as many albums as we could have but we thought less was more you know instead of like driving the music into your heart like a steak or something like that we'd just you know let everything breathe for a while and there was there was a time where you know we sort of let go of doing everything it was like a six year period where we just kind of took off we we didn't we weren't away completely we're still doing like sporadic shows here and there to keep up the profile but we weren't like touring and working on music I was all fucking around competing in paintball tournaments that really yeah you get into paintball oh man uh yeah I had a team called stone assassins and and it was competitive paintball at the time I was you know training arts as I've done throughout my life and I was also playing competitive paintball.

[184] What kind of martial arts are you doing?

[185] Shodokon.

[186] I started off with Taekwondo and I got sort of, I mean, it's it's like, it was it was, the dojo was cool, you know, and I was progressing quickly, but I sort of fell out with the master there with the Sifu or whatever.

[187] I can't remember what it is.

[188] Sabonim.

[189] Yeah.

[190] And one of my partners who I grew up with was one of my partners in our Dr. Green Thumb brand and whatever.

[191] His father was a, was a, you know, sensei and his sensei and became my sense.

[192] I went from Taekwondo to Shodokan, and I started training with him.

[193] I mean, he had been in the dojo since he was five years old, training with his father.

[194] So, you know, I came into that.

[195] It took a little bit of convincing for me to go from one thing to another because it's such a different style.

[196] Um, but, you know, I adapted to it and I liked it and it was, um, very different.

[197] Less flash, but, uh, is very disciplined.

[198] And, and his father, you know, he was, you know, born in Japan, raised out there.

[199] And he, you know, their, their shit is kind of different.

[200] They go to, to, um, martial arts universities.

[201] And they get degrees in different martial arts.

[202] So they can go and take like, okay, hop keto and jujitsu.

[203] and Shoto Khan and all this and, you know, get their degrees, you know, they work their wear up in the belt system and all that stuff, but they become teachers through that university, I guess.

[204] That's fascinating.

[205] And, yeah, his father was one of the guys in one of the federations that he's one of the three or four sensees that have to come in and give you the black belt when you actually get it.

[206] Yeah, what was it, S -K -F -A or something like?

[207] I got You know, I'm just going For karate federation, something like that.

[208] Yeah, something like that.

[209] Yeah.

[210] So you could imagine when Leota Machita came on the scene, you know, we were like, yeah, someone representing the style that, you know, we were training under it.

[211] Yeah, a lot of people got excited when he came about.

[212] He was through the first guy to legitimize karate in the modern era of mixed martial arts.

[213] You showed, like, if you could do all those other things, if you could stuff take downs and you knew submissions and all those things on top of that.

[214] You could live.

[215] Yeah, you could, and you could do it in a weird way that people.

[216] didn't really understand his timing yeah you know wonder boy thompson similar to that too it's got a weird timing weird timing it's it's you know and then the faints with the hips he was good with that shit like you know he he would throw people off with that and you know we i just happened to go see his fight against rachad evans oh shit and uh man i mean it's surprised all of us i mean we thought he would win but we didn't know he would win in that fashion i mean yeah he was something special.

[217] Yeah.

[218] You know, I mean, and he's doing, he's over at Bellator now, right, with his brother.

[219] His brother, Chinzo's been over there for a while.

[220] His brother, I think his brother's a bantam weight or featherweight, one of those.

[221] But, yeah, that, I think it's good to go from Taekwendo to other styles because Taekwendo gives you a lot of dexterity.

[222] You want to move your legs easily.

[223] Yes, absolutely.

[224] It's a good foundation.

[225] Yeah, it's a good way to start off.

[226] It's good for little kids, too.

[227] For sure.

[228] That doesn't, you know, there's not a lot of head contact the coordination too yeah yeah and then when you learn if you learn if you really actually want to fight you want to learn moitai and all those other things you have way quicker legs yeah yeah they just move better yeah for me you know i was never good with all those flashy kicks like that so you know you're a big dude yeah it was harder for me taekwondo like the shodokon was definitely hard but it was more suited for someone myself it's a hard style shodokon's a hard style it is man and he you know he when he was training us he would not like let up Is he, oh, be real's here.

[229] Let me go light on him.

[230] Nah.

[231] Everything I did, like, you know, that I did outside of music when I try it.

[232] Like, for instance, paintball.

[233] When it went into paintball, there was a price on my head every game.

[234] Everybody wanted to give me extra shots.

[235] Of course.

[236] So, like, if I got hit, well, I'm walking out, I would get 10, 20 extra paint balls to my back.

[237] Oh.

[238] You know, and we'd give it right back to them.

[239] You know, in the very next game, when we played them guys again, we were, making sure to give them that right back.

[240] So you got deep into this.

[241] Oh, yeah, I was, man. It's addicting, man. I got to tell you, if there's any physical activity that is addicting, it is paintball, because it's chest with guns.

[242] Yeah.

[243] Because it's so fast and so close, and you've got to think of a strategy, you know, it's not all shooting straightway.

[244] It's all shooting angles and getting your guys to positions to get those guys out to keep moving up, to get their flag, wipe them out and bring the flag back.

[245] Now, are there restrictions on power, like the power of the guns?

[246] Yeah, yeah.

[247] I believe you can't shoot above 300 PSI.

[248] I think it's, I think it's the highest you can shoot is maybe 285, 290, at least at the time.

[249] If you go balls out, if you wanted to get the ultimate paintball gun, what is that?

[250] Oh, man. It's hard because we were using different guns at the time because it's like each year a better gun comes out.

[251] The technology gets better.

[252] So, you know, we were using it first when we started these guns called Angels and then we went over into these other guns.

[253] Fuck, I can't remember the name of them, but they were light.

[254] I mean, the best thing is to have a light gun with the trigger that you can fan, see, because that's the technique to get it to shoot like a oozy, right?

[255] You're not supposed to be able to pull the trigger and multiple balls come out with one pull.

[256] it's supposed to be that the gun shoots as fast as your two fingers or three can toggle so if you get a rhythm you could shoot that thing like a fucking oozy you know and everybody has a different position you know like mine i was like one of the quarterbacks which is the last three on the line see it's like a football field right you got the 50 and there's obstacles at the 50 and in between and it's mirrored on the other side the quarterbacks play the back and they shoot you're shoot a whole bunch of paint so that the other guys that are the front and mid guys can get into these different positions to shoot the other guys out so the guys in the back we're shooting the most paint so you have to use that fanning um style so using three fingers three fingers because the the trigger where you're where the the the base where you're pulling the trigger you can fit three fingers there yeah it's really for two but you could fit three yeah this this was our team right here stone assassins And we were always pretty stoned when we were playing.

[257] Did that help?

[258] Yeah.

[259] The furthest we went, we took third place in one tournament.

[260] Wow.

[261] So this is crazy.

[262] Like you guys have these barriers and shit?

[263] Yeah, these are all blow -up barriers right here.

[264] It looks like a football field.

[265] Yeah.

[266] That's what they would replicate, like a football, soccer field.

[267] And, you know, you put all these obstacles up, these blow -up obstacles.

[268] And they're all just positions to try to take to.

[269] get a better angle on the other side.

[270] And what's the ultimate goal to take everybody out?

[271] You get points for taking the other side out, but you get the maximum points getting their flag and bringing it back to your side.

[272] And, you know, you get points for how many guys on your side that are still alive.

[273] So, you know, you would get 100 % if all seven of your guys were alive, you killed all them and brought their flag.

[274] Did that ever happen?

[275] Oh, yeah.

[276] Damn, who are you playing?

[277] You know, you guys crawling around and shit?

[278] The thing about paintball, right, is that let's just say there's six tiers, right?

[279] There's the pros, there's the semi -pros, there's the amateurs, there's the novice, there's the rookie.

[280] And each tier had at least 200 teams competing in this.

[281] Wow.

[282] Per tournament.

[283] And these guys, back in that time, I don't know how it is now, because I haven't competed in a long time.

[284] But they would do five tournaments a year.

[285] One would be in Huntington Beach, the big.

[286] one and it was awesome they would throw it you know right next to a surfing tournament so like it would just be cross people crossing up watching the surfers and they come and watching the paintball then it would hit to you know Boston and Florida and Las Vegas and one other one other place I can't remember but we would do these tournaments I was doing them for like four or five years and the guy before me that was the the ambassador was one of the One of the Bejys.

[287] One of the Bejys, the one who passed away first.

[288] Barry Gibb?

[289] Was it Barry?

[290] No, he was the one that always wear the hat.

[291] He was the shorter one.

[292] So he was a paintball fiend?

[293] He was a paintball fiend like myself.

[294] He owned a store.

[295] He had a team, I think it was based out of Miami, and he would compete up until when he passed away.

[296] He was like the ambassador.

[297] And I came in and took his spot.

[298] Maurice.

[299] Yeah, Maurice.

[300] Maurice Gibb.

[301] That's crazy.

[302] I had no idea.

[303] Yeah.

[304] Wow, you guys are armored the fuck up, huh?

[305] Yeah.

[306] These things want to sting.

[307] Oh, man. I mean, I'd leave with at least 20 paintball bruises, you know, in one sitting.

[308] And, you know, you look like a leopard coming off after that.

[309] You know who else was a big paintball enthusiast was William Shatner.

[310] Really?

[311] Yeah, he would hold these crazy tournaments like in Treki style where it's a scenario game.

[312] Meaning that, okay, here's the castle.

[313] I'm going to be in the castle right here.

[314] You guys got to siege the castle.

[315] And if you guys can come get me out of here, you guys win this round.

[316] And they would, through the three days, they'd set up different scenarios.

[317] Like, there he goes, sir.

[318] William Shackner, play a payball.

[319] This is crazy.

[320] I would have never guessed.

[321] But how does he run?

[322] He can't run.

[323] He's like eight years old.

[324] He doesn't run.

[325] They put him in a central place and he'll shoot.

[326] Sometimes he would go out there.

[327] there but so he would just stay put yeah he would stay put you would have to protect him that's like old man paintball he would fight too he would he would fight too but he would he would you know they would be trying to protect him oh that's so crazy yeah wow and uh i mean there's a bunch of celebrities that did paintballed man will smith was paintballing before he did irobot really he did that he came down to the park where we would practice at we we played with him and his team.

[328] But it was a scenario game.

[329] Waukeen Phoenix Mackay Fyfer.

[330] I mean, you'd be surprised how many people are.

[331] It looks like fun.

[332] I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

[333] You let off steam.

[334] Yeah.

[335] How many people on a team?

[336] On a competition team you have 11 for the roster and 7 play at a time.

[337] And you can switch guys out.

[338] But now it's different.

[339] Now they do like 5 men and 3 men teams.

[340] I don't know anything about the new style.

[341] But, you know, they constantly call me back Because I'm in better shape than I was when I played I was a little bit heavier than That's why I was that quarterback I wasn't, you know, I wasn't running too fast then But, you know, they always hit me, man I'll always get hit on my DM on IG or Twitter Like, hey man, when you come back to the paintball Feeling like when I get time, which is probably never But it seems like a big time suck Loved it, man, I loved playing the game It was so addictive and it was hard to pull away from it.

[342] I would even at times be coming home from a tour straight into a tournament.

[343] Like I'd get off the plane, I'd have somebody have my paintball shit ready and boom, straight to the tournament.

[344] Can't tell you how many times I was doing that.

[345] Really?

[346] Yeah, it was fucking crazy.

[347] It's funny when things get in your blood, right?

[348] They get in your bones.

[349] Yeah, that got in my blood like martial arts did because I was always like an enthusiast, like, you know, for a long time, you know, And when I finally started training, I was training like seven days a week, man. I wouldn't give myself any time off because I wanted to learn fast and I wanted to absorb it, you know.

[350] Did you ever fuck with Jiu -Jitsu?

[351] No, I always wanted to, but I never did.

[352] You know, I thought about it.

[353] Come on down to 10th planet, man. You fit right in.

[354] I think I will, you know?

[355] Like a lot of people have asked me and invited me because they know, you know, I'm a UFC fan.

[356] I'm a mixed martial arts fan.

[357] I'm a boxing fan, you know, all that shit.

[358] You know, a couple of my cousins are, well, one of them was a champion professional boxer, which was Michael Carbohal.

[359] And his nephew was your cousin?

[360] Yeah, that's my cousin.

[361] I met my go, I met him one day at the comedy store.

[362] Long time ago, man. Yeah, when he was a chap, he was a beast.

[363] He was a beast.

[364] And his nephew is now boxing, Keenan Carboh.

[365] Oh, okay, cool.

[366] So, yeah, you know, we're rooting for family right there.

[367] It's from Arizona, right?

[368] Yeah, from AZ, yeah.

[369] Yeah.

[370] Yeah.

[371] So yeah, I've been invited to, you know, come fuck with some jujitsu.

[372] And I think I, you know, I think I will because, I mean, you got to know it.

[373] I think you, you know, it's something that would benefit anyone from to know that.

[374] Yeah.

[375] So that you don't actually, you know, get in a fight and have to hurt somebody bad or they hurt you, you know what I'm saying?

[376] Yeah.

[377] Just choke them.

[378] Just choke them out.

[379] I saw Everlast choke some.

[380] guy out one night and it was the fucking because you know he he he he fucks around a little bit you know he knows people that that teach jiu jitsu and they've taught him a couple things and we're at the rainbow one night where we were holding court um just smoking like it's amsterdam down there and we were having a conversation and he kept hearing some dude across this cross a couple tables over kept saying ever last this ever last that and he he's yo money say my name one more time and he goes everlast and he went back to talking to his people because he didn't think everlast was going to come up and do nothing everlast went and walked over to his table looked to his face turned him around real quick and started choking him to fuck out see my name again money say it oh jesus oh man it was it was hilarious but uh yeah man well 10th planet is downtown right near where your place is yeah yeah so your studio or you're set up that's that's real close to 10th planet jiu jitsu yeah just let me know i'll set it up i will man you got avoid any flat earth conversations to come up oh i you know plug your ears and keep moving i get those from i get those from time to time you know i get the flatter stay the fuck off of youtube man man yeah they get confused yeah that's that's the craziest shit because i always argue like this about the flat earth right so hey listen if we got a flat earth there's an edge right and there's always thrill seekers looking to do something thrilling and there's always a thrill seeker that fucks up and falls right off of that edge right so how many motherfuckers would be falling off the edge of the earth if we really had one oh for sure you know there would be climbers there'd be a bunch of dudes who would try to hang off the edge take selfies think about it right 12 people this year have died at the grand canyon that's the grand canyon is that really that many that many so far in this year and some people die of a heart attack there because you know it's too much for them to be on that little bridge that they have there that extends past the edge of a canyon they put in a little bridge way so that you can go and look down people have heart attacks doing that people have had heart attacks from that but the other guys are the ones trying to do selfies falling off fucking bridge and plummeting right so you got to think man if we had if we had a flat earth how many people would be visiting the edge and falling in a fuck off taking a selfie man there's no you know come on no doubt there'd be teams of people teams they would travel to flat earth and they would they would like rope we'd like like Alex Honnold would probably try to climb off the side we'd hear it on the news another person has died from falling off the edge of the earth yeah it would be a hundred That'd be our hundred The flat -out people would tell you, though, that the government guards that.

[381] Yeah, and are the edge.

[382] Yeah, you can't go near it, bro.

[383] Battleships.

[384] Well, there wouldn't be just one edge, though, right?

[385] That's true.

[386] But they didn't think that through.

[387] Yeah, no, there'd be several edges if we're flat.

[388] Yeah, but see, you've got to have that YouTube mentality.

[389] You've got to put your head in a little box and leave it in there.

[390] Yeah.

[391] If I could turn the oven box on and stick your head in it.

[392] The government's blocking the edge, man. You can't get near it.

[393] Yeah.

[394] It's like we're living in a dome.

[395] You know, that's the theory.

[396] Yeah, the dome.

[397] The dome theory.

[398] Yeah, there's no space.

[399] Space is fake.

[400] Fuck, man. People spoke too much.

[401] People want to believe in some crazy shit, you know?

[402] I wonder how much of them are stoners.

[403] Like most of them, right?

[404] How many of them are microdosing?

[405] Oh, yeah, probably.

[406] You know, because that's a thing now.

[407] Everybody's like fucking microdosing right now.

[408] And it's not bad for you.

[409] They say it's actually, you know, kind of good for you.

[410] Ron White's doing it.

[411] Ron White microdosis psilocybin every day.

[412] He goes, well, I never felt better in my life.

[413] And they like to talk when they're microdosing.

[414] Yeah, especially psilocybin.

[415] You just have these ideas.

[416] That's the thing.

[417] You have ideas and your mind becomes open to shit that normally, you know, you're closed off to, obviously, you know.

[418] Yeah.

[419] But, you know.

[420] I think they think that the earth is a disc.

[421] I think that's what I've heard recently.

[422] They think it's a disc.

[423] A disc.

[424] Some sort of a floating disk.

[425] and then we live in the firmament or something like that there's like some sort of a cover over the top of the disc and that's what the here it is what is this Jamie it's the cruise huh the cruise next year that they're out the flat earth cruise yeah oh my god is that real the best adventure yet they're gonna get to the fucking glaciers and they're gonna go I told you the wall the flat earth cruise I hope they jump out and get eaten by polar bears that's the funniest shit it has to use like GPS to get around so I mean good luck with that You know, how many scientists do they have on their side?

[426] All of them.

[427] That's the funniest shit.

[428] No, it's fucking ridiculous.

[429] There's gigantic satellites that take huge high -resolution photos of the Earth every 10 seconds from orbit from thousands of miles out.

[430] Those are doctored.

[431] Yeah, it's just the whole thing is so fucking stupid of all the shit to believe in, like to invest any energy in that.

[432] Like, why would someone lie about the shape of the Earth?

[433] That's the dumbest part about it.

[434] You want to know what I think is before the Internet and all these different platforms where you can get information, you know, our government and other governments could debunk any information on UFOs, anything, because, you know, there wasn't like the wide communication that exists now, right?

[435] So I think now they put in people who are saying this crazy, wild way out shit so that people are that are really trying to expose truth on certain things, they get looked at as whack jobs like the rest of those that are trying to say, oh, well, flat earth, or we're on a disc, or we're in a globe, or blah, blah, blah, blah.

[436] The government's spying on you.

[437] They'll throw all that together.

[438] The government is spying on you.

[439] Yeah, they are.

[440] That is for sure.

[441] No, they really are.

[442] That, it's, you know, since George Bush Jr. was president, they've been listening to our phone calls.

[443] I mean, that's a fact.

[444] I mean, that was one of the things they enacted.

[445] with the homeland security that they can record every American's call and you know whatever conversation mentioned certain keywords as we were saying earlier they would you know they would get shuffled off to a certain department and those guys were red flagged and looked at and that still happens today still to this day you don't need a warrant then you just listen I mean I'll tell you this right there was a I've been traveling what 20 some odd years at this point where when I when I I was coming back into the United States.

[446] For a long time, I would not get randomly checked or anything like that.

[447] They just let us go by.

[448] And I made a few posts somewhere, you know, with an abundant amount of cannabis, right?

[449] And right after that post, each time I came back into the United States, they send me into secondary for a search.

[450] And I started asking like, hey, I've been traveling.

[451] for X amount of years now every I've noticed that the last four times that I've come back from another country you guys are randomly you know checking my bags now what's the deal in my red flagged what's going on with my passport um well you know where I'm not really allowed to tell you this but I mean have you been what kind of postings have you made on your social networks really yeah and I said okay say no more and I already knew what it was because I had put like, you know, a post with like four, five, six pounds in it.

[452] What does five pounds of weed even look like?

[453] It's a lot.

[454] It's so light.

[455] That's like giant pillows filled with weed.

[456] So, you know, right then and there, I knew, you know, from that reaction that he had, that anybody with any sort of, um, that's involved in entertainment, music, athlete, you know, whatever, actor, actress, they're watching all of our.

[457] shit oh for sure they're listening and they're watching so especially someone like you who's been at the forefront of pushing cannabis legalization and always talked about it openly flagrantly even when it was a schedule one substance oh yeah everywhere you know yeah when did you get a medical card what year the the year that it was available the first year it was available was that like 95 or something 94 yeah i think i got my from from dr idleman he was like one of the Dr. Edelman hooked me up, too.

[458] Yeah, all right.

[459] We're Itelman brothers.

[460] All right.

[461] A lot of us are.

[462] I used to go to him even when it was way more expensive because I'm like, that guy's an OG.

[463] Yeah.

[464] Hey, bro, like he told me, he goes, my God.

[465] Because I lost track of him for a minute, you know, and when I went back to get a renewal some years back, and he's, Lewis, you've been with me a long time.

[466] I mean, is it what it looks like is that you're patient number four.

[467] I was number four on his first Because he keeps a list of all his patients, I guess You know And apparently I was number four Yeah even though there was doctors out here I'd always go travel to see him in Hollywood Just out of respect Yeah And he always had these He had like OG stoners in the waiting room Oh yeah Just people that were just like barely holding on to reality Oh yeah He had all sorts He had the hippies He had the new you know new gens hip hop people He had vitamin drips and shit, too, all kinds of weird stuff in his office?

[468] Yeah, he would try to sell you on some different technology anytime we can.

[469] This will help you stop smoking cigarettes.

[470] Well, I don't smoke cigarettes.

[471] Oh, yeah, he had like a thing that you put on your ear, like a little electrical thing.

[472] A little electrode.

[473] Yeah, they gave one to redband.

[474] It didn't work.

[475] Yeah.

[476] You know, you got to try something, right?

[477] Yeah, it was like a battery power thing, right?

[478] Give a little charge to your ear that somehow I'm supposed to stop you from smoking cigarettes.

[479] Yeah, I didn't get it.

[480] I didn't smoke cigarette.

[481] So I'm like, ah, I don't smoke cigarettes.

[482] Did you ever get your lungs checked out from all those years of weed smoking?

[483] Yeah, I mean, I, you know, I get physicals and stuff like that, and, uh, you know, occasionally I'll have my lungs checked and they tell me they're great.

[484] Isn't that amazing?

[485] It's crazy.

[486] You know, because I think if, if you keep active, you know, like you train and, and, uh, a lot of us train now, like this generation, they're not like lazy stoners.

[487] They don't just sit back and do nothing.

[488] There still are those.

[489] But, you know, I don't think it has the same carcinogens as, you know, people expected, you know, like a cigarette.

[490] It doesn't.

[491] And so, you know, you might look at someone's lungs who smokes cigarettes and you might see something there.

[492] I'm like, hey, you need to, you know, slow the fuck down over here.

[493] But every time that I've had my lungs checked or whatever for whatever, whether I've, you know, gotten sick or whatever, they're always telling me lungs are in good shape.

[494] And it's a funny thing because, you know, in, I think in 1987, you know, I was 17 and I was gang banging.

[495] I got shot and, you know, I got hit by a 22 and it, as hollow points do, it broke into three pieces, the hollow point.

[496] And one of them punctured my lung on my left side.

[497] And, you know, they were telling me, well, you know, Do you smoke?

[498] No, I don't really smoke because I didn't smoke cigarettes.

[499] I smoked weed, but I wasn't going to divulge that at the time.

[500] I was 17 and, you know, and they said, well, you know, well, that's good because you'll never smoke again.

[501] It was like they punctured your lung and blah, blah, blah.

[502] They thought I was going to have to work off one lung.

[503] But in the three days, you know, they were able to get the blood out of the lung and I was able to get it back, you know, through the exercise.

[504] as they told me, you know, to get it back to its regular size.

[505] And I've never had a problem since then, knock on wood.

[506] Did they take the piece of metal out?

[507] No, I still got the three pieces.

[508] That's like when I go do my physicals and they do the, you know, the MRIs and the X -rays and all that, the doctors, you know, sometimes they forget because they see so many patients.

[509] Mr. Freeze, these appeared to be bullet fragments.

[510] What is that?

[511] Well, you just said it, doctor bullet fragments.

[512] you've seen them a dozen times you know and yeah I was very lucky I was very lucky because you know punctured my lung and then two of the pieces one was by the heart one was by my spine but I was at Martin Luther King Hospital in Linwood and we call that place killer king because you go in there for something small and end up dying or come out you know gimped out or something so you know I wasn't going to allow them to try and get to those bullets or those fragments to open you up yeah no no because you know they didn't have a great success rate what kind of lung exercise they give you try to pump your lungs by god they give you this breathing apparatus that has like a ball in it right and it has two lines and you know the it's the first line you're trying to they're telling you every day for five minutes 10 minutes to blow that you know not all in one shot but like to keep practicing getting the ball up there and that will in help inflate the lung and get it back.

[513] So I had to do that for probably like three weeks.

[514] And, you know, the puncture wound, it healed itself pretty much.

[515] And the pieces are still in your lung?

[516] Not in the lung.

[517] No, it went past the lung.

[518] It shot past the lung.

[519] So, you know, it's, I got a piece up here and one off to the side in the back.

[520] Well, when it's really cold due to the nerve damage, I'll get like stinging, like, you know, like when you're when your hand falls asleep the little needles the yeah i'll get that here and then and then back here where it entered they had to they had to cut right in between a rib here to stick the tube in to put the the hose into the lung to get the blood out of the lung damn yeah i was you know i was living crazy before i got into the music the music saved my life pretty much really yeah how long were you gang banging for for for some years you know I started young.

[521] I was probably 13 years old.

[522] Whoa.

[523] Gang banging and I got out of it probably I didn't necessarily get out, but I changed up what I was doing because you don't never really get out per se unless they jump you out.

[524] And, you know, I was too into it to be jumped out like that.

[525] You know what I mean?

[526] That wasn't something I was going to do because, you know, for as negative as it was, it taught me a lot um so my my boys that i you know ran with they understood i was trying to do something different you know i made a choice to try the music and and leave that shit alone because there there was no way that you do both if you do both you see the results of that what's happening today with a lot of cats you know what i mean that they try to ride the line be professional and be in the music but they're still kind of in this world over here and when It bleeds in, one bleeds into the other.

[527] It, you know, it fucks everything up, you know.

[528] And so I chose, you know, I was going to do music and just talk about those life experiences and whatnot.

[529] And that was probably at 18 that I started taking on the music.

[530] And that's where it went, you know.

[531] Like when you said you learned a lot from it?

[532] Like, what did you learn from it?

[533] Well, you know, your street, you know, there's common sense and then there's common sense on the streets.

[534] And then there's being aware and looking out and, you know, not being a doormat and just it's a whole different type of schooling when you're gang banging, you know, that's the way you carry yourself, the way you communicate with someone and know whether they're disrespecting you or not and how you deal with that disrespect, which is, you know, a whole different world in the gang bang shit.

[535] but it's a it's a different kind of education you know i wouldn't i wouldn't take it back some of the things i would you know i definitely regretted while i was doing it for sure but um it made me see things from from a different perspective you know and and why you know things are the way they are in gangs and stuff like that from lack lack of opportunities you know for for these kids to be doing something you know because not everybody's good at sports you know but But there has to be other opportunities other than that to get kids interested in doing something else.

[536] Because falling into the gangs, it's easy.

[537] If you don't have a good home life at home, the guys on the street are your second family.

[538] And they eventually become your first family.

[539] You know what I mean?

[540] And if you don't have a father figure at home, one of the guys in the gang, you know, becomes your mentor.

[541] He could become like the guy you look up to as like your father.

[542] figure, you know, there's that.

[543] And then, you know, again, there's not enough programs out there to keep people into doing something different than falling into that.

[544] And then sometimes, you know, it's just, it's a matter of, you know, you growing up in this neighborhood.

[545] If you have to walk down that street and they approach you and say, hey, you live in this hood, you got to be with us.

[546] If you don't, we're going to make it hard for you.

[547] So there's that peer pressure.

[548] And then there's the legacy shit like so if my father was a gangster in this gang and he still lives in this neighborhood pressures on for me eventually to take up where father left off you know and uh it's it's it's all those things and then some people just start thrill seekers and they choose it and have nothing you know in common with none of that they just choose it for some people too it's so appealing to have somewhere that you belong right and that's the thing because if you don't feel like you belong in your school or you don't belong in your family and that that she can totally take hold and you end up there you know fortunately I had good friends that weren't gangbangers you know that they had talent for music which is mugs and Sen and Sen's brother Melo you know they were you know I did music as a hobby you know before I got in gangs and they got me back into the music because they recognize something in me and said Hey, we want you to come back where we got these opportunities over here.

[549] Come join us.

[550] Did you always have that style?

[551] No, I didn't.

[552] When did you develop that?

[553] Once we started working on our Cypress Hill demos, Mugs came to me and said, hey, man, you got to do something.

[554] You got to do something different.

[555] Otherwise, you're going to write for Sen. Because Sen had a good voice.

[556] His shit was locked in.

[557] My voice, I was rapping in a voice similar to the one I'm talking.

[558] And although the rhymes were good, it didn't cut through on the style like on on you know on the beats it just sounded like you know some regular shit so you know i don't want to be someone's writer you know i wanted to write for myself so you know there was a guy that we used to listen to um coming up was name was ram lz he was on this uh record called wild style and he was in the movie he was this uh rapper who is very uh obscure but he was an artist too you know like a graffiti artist but then also an um an artist, artist, you know, but he was also a rapper.

[559] And what he would do is he'd rap in a regular style, like his talking voice, this is the brother, they call the ram, bell.

[560] He had a deep voice like that.

[561] And then he would flip right in the middle, take it up town to Cypress Hill with the shotgun, blah, blah, blah, like that.

[562] And, you know, we were always freaking out on that he had two styles.

[563] So I tried throwing my voice in that sort of similar style.

[564] and it ended up sticking I didn't really like I didn't think anybody was going to like it I thought they were going to be like get the fuck out of here with that but they ended up liking it and I think the first song that came about in that style was the song Real Estate off our first album it's uh you know that was where I tried it the first time they liked it so then Kill a Man came next and I tried that song and that style and then hand on the pump and it just became a flow after that.

[565] And I really did not feel it at first.

[566] I was like, fuck, I can't believe they got me rapping in this voice, right?

[567] And it, it took, it took a minute to get used to that, you know, like doing it live, because, you know, I had a tendency, as rappers, you know, that don't know because there's no school for this unless you have somebody who's done it and they teach you, okay, this is what the get down is.

[568] And we didn't have that, really.

[569] It was all hands on learning.

[570] I, you know, for the first few years, man, I was, trying to do the voice and I'd end up, you know, getting overhyped because the crowd is hype and I'd start yelling the verses instead of like rapping them like on the record, I'd throw my voice out.

[571] My voice would get scratchy.

[572] I'd be sounding like Buster Rhymes and shit, you know what I mean?

[573] And it took me five years to actually harness how to actually do the shows with this voice.

[574] And I had to go to this opera singer coach.

[575] Really?

[576] Her name was something, Elizabeth Sabine or something like that.

[577] She tried.

[578] trained a lot of folks, but she, her shit was like to teach you the operatic way of singing, which is from the diaphragm, tighten the stomach, take little breaths, but those little breaths make your lungs expand, you know, a lot, and it's less projection from your throat and more from the bottom.

[579] And she taught me that technique, and I never went horse again after that.

[580] I like, would, you know, people often compliment me on, you know, sounding so close to how the records are.

[581] There's once in a while where I might get excited and start saying it louder than it might be, but I'm always sort of right there.

[582] And I got to, you know, I got to give all props to her because if she hadn't showed me that technique, I'd probably still be yelling and screaming my shit out, walking out my voice, you know.

[583] Yeah, that brings up an interesting point.

[584] Is this her?

[585] Yeah, she's teaching somebody how to sing heavy metal right here.

[586] No way.

[587] let me hear so go we can't play this on YouTube we'll get kicked off YouTube and she was and she was an opera singer at one time wow but she went on to teach people the technique no kidding man that is wild see because if you try to keep your breath and in sustain a long note like that from your chest you won't sustain that note long enough but if you tighten it from your diaphragm yeah if you tighten up almost it's almost like if you're going to take a shit instead of from the throat that makes sense yeah you know like it it allows you it allows your lungs to expand while you're breathing through from your diaphragm so that's what she taught a lot of singers and it's a another method is to cheat the word like pronounce it you know like you're kind of like it's it's like what these mumble rappers do when they they pronounce the word and they kind of mumble it and they sort of cheat it you know what the word is but they didn't pronounce it all the way right so so in other words if she's going to you were going to sing the line come come with me so it sounds a little bit cleaner you'd say gum with me but in the way you would say it is more with a g but it's so tucked in that you hear come with me and it's just just a cheating way of saying it to get the line a little bit cleaner and fucking, you know, in the breath.

[588] And she taught me all that shit and it worked for rap.

[589] I didn't know if it would because, I mean, it was, she primarily taught singers.

[590] I was probably the first rapper that she taught this technique to and it stuck, man. How'd you find her?

[591] One of my friends had heard of her, you know, because, I mean, in the industry, you know, know, become friends with other, you know, your peers and stuff like that.

[592] And, you know, I knew a couple singers and they, they were, you know, noting my problem is to, you know, screaming my verses and coming back with the raspy voice.

[593] So they were like, here, why don't you try this person right here?

[594] This person taught or gave this technique to so and so.

[595] And it was another singer I can't remember.

[596] but um i thought well you know what have i got to lose i mean if it doesn't work it doesn't work but maybe i learned something from it that i could use somewhere else right and fuck she she taught me the the warm up she taught me uh you know the certain words that you can cheat to to you know for for certain breath control purposes because the way you pronounce certain things you know sort of add to that and just the the tightening of the diaphragm man like If I hadn't learned that, it would have took me a lot longer to do the shows the way that I can do them now.

[597] So do you warm up before shows?

[598] I don't necessarily need to.

[599] Like from the first song on, my voice like gets in, like the first few bars, it warms up right then and there.

[600] And it's not really like singing where I got to sustain notes and stuff like that.

[601] So I don't have to do those same kind of warmups.

[602] If I was going to sing some shit, yes, I would definitely have to get my, you know, get the pitch.

[603] and the throat warmed up to do those different, you know, melodies or whatever the hell.

[604] But fortunately, I don't sing.

[605] Yeah, the whole rap world has always been fascinating to me, like, how someone gets in.

[606] Like, how do you get started?

[607] Are there open mics?

[608] Like, what?

[609] Yeah, back in the day, man, someone had to be the guy endorsing you, you know, like saying to, you know, these guys over here, hey, man, listen to these artists right, or this artist right here.

[610] they're the new shit they're going to be the one and then you would have to do a couple showcases and stuff like that and you know win some people over i mean we we definitely did our share of showcases in the beginning but we were getting passed on left and right because you know people thought you know what are they talking about with this cannabis shit and we and we didn't sound like a west coast group you know because we're trying to sell our shit to west coast labels here and they did not get us.

[611] It wasn't until, you know, mugs had, you know, he'd previously been in a group called 73, and he had worked with these guys called the Rhyme Syndicate, which was Ice T's guys.

[612] So he kind of, you know, he was the guy that people knew.

[613] And then Sendog's brother, Mellow Manase, eventually would get in the door.

[614] And so people started hearing about us through, you know, through more mugs than Mello.

[615] Mellow didn't really do shit, for us, you know, all truth told.

[616] But Mugs, you know, they kept hearing about a group that he was forming outside of 783, which came to be Cypress Hill.

[617] And so, you know, the guys that worked on him, worked with him on the 783 records, which was Joe Niccolo of Roughhouse Records, you know, he wanted to sign whatever Mugs was doing.

[618] And, you know, he eventually ended up signing us.

[619] and they had a distribution deal with Sony music so we put out our records through Roughhouse Columbia or Roughhouse Sony something like that and that's how we got put on you know and again it had to be word of mouth because if nobody heard of you you had to have some really fucking dope music for them to even like consider you if you didn't have like someone back in you it was tough you know you had to have someone come speak on your behalf have and say, hey, these guys are the new, new shit.

[620] And fortunately for us, once we put out our snippet tape, like when Sony put out our snippet tape, guys like EPMD, right?

[621] And they were one of our favorite groups in the world, man. It was the top five for Cyprus.

[622] There was, you know, public enemy, Beastie Boys, EPMD.

[623] Love EPMD.

[624] Yeah, fuck.

[625] They were the shit.

[626] And those were the guys that took our snippet tape, and they were showing our snippet tape to other rappers like, hey, guys, look at these new fucking guys.

[627] Because, you know, Buster Rhyme told me this story, yo, yo, son, I heard your shit from EPMD way back in the day.

[628] They was playing for a public enemy and I just happened to be in the room and what?

[629] And, you know, Ice Cube when we met him for the first time, you know?

[630] And we had our ups and downs with him, but he's one of my homies.

[631] He told me, yeah, man, the first time I heard of y 'all was through EPMD.

[632] We was on tour, was doing the show, and they came in what y 'all taping.

[633] That's how I heard of y 'all.

[634] And, you know, they were like our first street team, man. Fucking EPMD.

[635] Our favorite, one of our top three favorite groups was out there, like, with our snippet tape, telling people, hey, these guys are the new shit.

[636] Are they still together?

[637] They do stuff occasionally, but I think they do more work, you know, individually now.

[638] I know Eric Serman is putting out a record right now.

[639] He was just promoting it on, on, uh, some radio show and uh i mean those guys still active stay active i mean he's a producer so he's always making music but as a rapper they don't put out as much stuff as they used to but yeah they're still active you know who i miss cool g rap coogee rap i still bust out a lot of guys don't have a style if he doesn't you know if he had never come out so many people were influenced by him yeah bad motherfuckers a lot of people forgot about him a lot of people forgot about him a lot of people forgot about him and he was one of the baddest dudes i mean a lot of people you know would talk about big daddy cane and rock him sure but you couldn't talk about them without talking about coogee rap because he was like one of those guys like spitting mad verses man like his bar work was incredible yeah he was incredible i still listen to that song cockblocking yeah every now and then i'll throw that on and i got to tell you you know like if if you hear songs that he does today he is still fucking current like his he's still got that style that that cuts through like you know some of the older artists they they sort of lose the style that that people love and they don't know how to transition into you know what their style would be right now you know like updating whatever that style is you know a lot of a lot of the older artists had troubles doing that you know but my man coogee rap not a fucking street blues he's still ill Bill.

[640] Yeah, he was fantastic.

[641] Yeah.

[642] Yeah, I always got confused why he didn't get bigger.

[643] I didn't get it.

[644] I was like, this guy's so good.

[645] You know, I think it was, it was just the wave that came after him.

[646] You know, it's, it's like he was such an underground force.

[647] And if you were an underground force, you know, you had to make a conscious decision whether, okay, I'm going to go main, if I go mainstream, I'm going to lose these hardcore fans.

[648] I might.

[649] gain, you know, these mainstream fans, but how long are they going to stay with me as opposed to these core fans that, you know, that they're...

[650] But with his style, he couldn't just keep them?

[651] Because, like...

[652] I thought he could.

[653] A lot of guys kept them, right?

[654] You want to know something?

[655] I think it was due to, you know, the record company not wanting to take the chance.

[656] Because as an artist, you want everybody to hear your shit.

[657] Right.

[658] You know, for us, we didn't play those games.

[659] We said, fuck it.

[660] You know, if we felt it was the right look for us, we were going to take it, you know, no matter what anybody thought, you know.

[661] And again, you face scrutiny for shit like that.

[662] But in the end, you know, if you didn't play yourself, people remember that, you know.

[663] And we said, fuck it.

[664] We're going to take our music mainstream, even though that was not our intent.

[665] You know, we always meant ourselves to be a more underground group.

[666] But insane in the brain didn't allow that.

[667] It propelled us, you know?

[668] So we were like, okay, well, we're going to take our underground asses up into this mainstream and show them how we do it.

[669] And it kicked the door open for a lot of other underground acts to go into the mainstream.

[670] And we prove that if you do it right, and if you stay on your game, and if you keep working and stay present and put out quality music, that you can sustain those mainstream.

[671] fans that you gain right there and the core yeah you guys sustained so well that people covered your shit yeah like rage that was awesome machine when they covered pistol grip pump on my left at all times holy shit what one of my favorite bands sack dilla rocha yelling that yeah that that shit was awesome i mean he took a a totally different take on it but like a cover but it was a cover but it was his take yeah it was badass it was one of my favorites man you know and it was an honor to me because you know like I was really good friends with them to begin with I saw them come out the gate before they exploded and became rage against the machine and so for them to cover one of our songs we were like man fuck yeah you know because they they helped us get better you know there was a lot of groups that we look to it for influence even if they were doing different style of music like public enemy was an influence to us rage against the machine was an inspiration to us to like push the envelope a little bit more on what we were doing not necessarily like how they were because they had their own sound just like we had our own sound so they made us push you know in groups like that made us better so when we heard this guy fucking doing or this band doing a cover and then they asked us to come play this song with them which which would be their last night as rage against the machine for a long time this was like their last show right here we got to do that with them that must have been amazing and i was wearing a dad hat before dad hats were cool i will not wear one right now ever i don't know what i was thinking but fuck it that's hilarious that's hilarious no it was a fun show man i went into the mosh pit oh did you yeah before that song before they called this up for that song for most of their set i was in the mosh pit and there was a u u s .c front lineman down there record shopping the mosh pit bro i was in there with them they were protected me i was like oh shit be real you're up in i'm like yeah that we're a record shop together it was it was awesome there's a video of dana white in a mosh pit once i don't know what the fuck he was thinking he must have been drunk he jumped in the mosh pit like years ago he's a big dude though he's a big dude he's jumping around there moshing around yeah i dated a girl got c oed in the mosh pit once oh man hey it's it's it's crazy man i used to go into a lot of different mosh pits and there he's in the rage mosh pit.

[672] But most of it is safe, but every now and then, you're running to a dickhead.

[673] I'll tell you, man, the craziest mosh pits, you know, that I saw.

[674] Well, the craziest mosh pits I've gone into, there was Olympus get mosh pit that was crazy.

[675] But the craziest was, was the rage mosh pit.

[676] But the ones that I seen from outside of it, not being in it that were crazy was there was a sound garden mosh pit that I see.

[677] Sound garden.

[678] Yeah, at Lollapalooza.

[679] early on it was uh when they had bad motor finger out oh man that fucking mosh pit was like a whirlpool of chaos bro i was loving it and i was on mushrooms watching this shit so it was fucking amazing and uh then and then a slayer mosh pit man their fucking shit is brutal yeah that sounds like just the pace of slayer it's crazy but i got to tell you since joining prophets of rage And us, you know, when we tour Europe and stuff like that, and we do a combination of, you know, Rage Against Machine songs, Public Enemy and Cypress Hill, along with our own material, the mosh pits are fucking crazy, man. But, you know, there was one thing that I saw that was not brutal, but it was cool as fuck.

[680] And it was in, I believe it was Sweden or Switzerland, but there, you know, out of like the 60, 70 ,000 people that were out, there there was like maybe 5 ,000 concentrated people who sat down on their ass right and we're like the fuck are these people doing our like are they protesting our set what the fuck is going on right and what was crazy is you know you're not going to stop playing you just keep going so we start on on um i believe the song was guerrilla radio that we were playing at that that point all of a sudden we see him start doing this they're rowing they were row it was like a viking it was like a viking row it was a fucking move it was a move that the crowd was doing so there's five thousand people out of the 30 thousand that are sitting in you know like next to each other lines rows you know just fucking of people rowing on beat dog it was the fucking there they go fucking vikings man how crazy that DNA just stuck with those people and that was just the little section of it man if you were to see from stage there was it was spotted like spotted groups and they sat down and they sat down and we're rowing that's so fucking crazy yeah have you ever seen the there was a they did a viking chant once at a soccer game crazy oh man it's wow because the whole fucking arena did it and you feel it you feel that shit like woo you got to think man when they they were going to wars back in the day they rallied all their guys up just like that yeah they're all this fucking They're out of tune though This fucking boat's gonna go sideways Yeah You know I don't I don't know where that move comes from But it looks cool when you see it It's fucking It's gotta be an old school Viking thing Yeah They probably do it when they get drunk Yeah I mean you know Think about it You know they used to conquest motherfuckers So they're like fucking rowing Rowing and rowing Imagine it here Like see if you can find that The Viking one at a soccer game Because it's like I think it's at a World Cup Or something like that They're like, yeah, yeah, yeah, you hear it in the crowd, and he's like, oh, my God, imagine hearing that shit over the water.

[681] When they're coming to get you.

[682] Coming towards your village.

[683] Like, grab the baby, we're going to live in the woods.

[684] Fuck, you've got to get out of here.

[685] Yeah, yeah, and those are big dudes.

[686] Yeah.

[687] Here it is.

[688] Oh, yeah.

[689] Look at that.

[690] Oh, tuned in together, man. They're all in sick.

[691] Look at the hands.

[692] That's spooky.

[693] Yeah.

[694] Those motherfuckers, if somebody reignites them, they'll take over the world again.

[695] They will take over the world again if there's enough of them.

[696] Imagine that horde coming at you, bro.

[697] A fucking crazy line of DNA, you know, a line of people that just were conquerors.

[698] Stirty motherfuckers.

[699] Stirty giant motherfuckers who did mushrooms.

[700] Yeah.

[701] They would blaze up mushroom their fucking heads into oblivion and you just go slash people.

[702] Go get them.

[703] It's crazy, man. is another one is another one so that's like their thing the viking club i guess the NFL Vikings sort of adopted this recently they do it in their football game yeah but look at that dork with the glasses put your fucking hands down man stop listen bro is he he's a Viking they're trying to figure out the beat you stop that sorry look he's like oh you hill hi he like it he's a spliking so when when you first start rapping Like, you rapping with kids in your neighborhood?

[704] Are you, like, aspiring to be a rapper and writing shit down and trying things on your friends?

[705] Like, how do you get started?

[706] Well, the way that I started, I was writing, you know, like, poetry first.

[707] Really?

[708] Yeah.

[709] Like, what kind of poetry?

[710] Just, like, you know, like hood stuff, you know, just stuff that rhymed, but, like, just sort of writing it down.

[711] Like, it was almost like writing raps, but it's just, you know, it's without saying it, right?

[712] Because you read it and shit like that, whatever.

[713] But I would just write poetry about, you know, everyday shit.

[714] You know what I mean?

[715] Nothing, you know, it wasn't like doing like the, I don't know if there's like categories of poetry.

[716] But, you know, it was just stuff that would happen from day to day, you know.

[717] And I had a knack for writing.

[718] I realized that.

[719] And I always wanted to be a journalist.

[720] That's, you know, what, the thing that I thought I was going to be at school, right?

[721] Do you write now?

[722] uh i was for a while but i i looked at what kind of stuff just again everyday stuff or you know i'd like randomly pick something to write about so if it was can about the cannabis industry i'd write something about that if it was about the music industry i'd write something about that like i every now and then i would uh there was a back in the early 2000s there was a magazine called industry insider magazine and occasionally i would write articles for that I wasn't really that great because, you know, I was so spotty in school that, you know, my, you know, it needed work, you know, but they left it raw the way that I would put it out there.

[723] And people got my point, and that was cool.

[724] But I looked at it in the way that the music that I've done in a lot of the songs serve as a certain form of journalism for me, you know, like, you know, bringing up certain issues that people don't necessarily hear.

[725] Like, throw your set in air is a song on Tebbels Boom, and it's a song about how you would get, you know, inducted into a gang, how you get put into a gang, how you fall into it.

[726] And some people might think, you know, by hearing it that it was glorifying it and praising it, but it wasn't.

[727] It was basically, this is how it is.

[728] So you know the signs to look for if your kids are, you know, fucking around with the wrong people, you know, and that's, you know, I took it like, okay, you know, maybe I'm not a journalist like I intended to be, but this is my way of it.

[729] You know, I can enlighten people with certain things.

[730] And, you know, like anything, somebody's going to read something or hear something and maybe misinterpret what you say.

[731] But, you know, it's all about who's listening and who's reading and who's watching and stuff like that and their interpretation of it.

[732] And some get it.

[733] Some don't.

[734] And that's just the nature of it.

[735] But like most people get it.

[736] And I've, I've come across people that have come to me and come and said, hey, man, your, your, your, your, your songs on Temple of Boom, man, you know, they, they, they helped to get me through these times or you, these songs raised me. They taught me this, this and that.

[737] That's awesome.

[738] And to me, you know, that, that's, that's the impact right there.

[739] That's the shit that means more than anything.

[740] Right, because I'm sure you remember songs that got you through, right?

[741] Oh, yeah, for sure.

[742] You know, there was songs from KRS one in Public Enemy that, you know, you know, it's, you know, know, got me through and fired me up, you know, and inspired and stuff like that.

[743] Keros one's another one people forget about, man. I'll be in my car just going, whoop, whoop, that's the son of the police.

[744] Yeah, I mean, he taught me how to be a bullhorn, you know what I mean?

[745] Like, tell, you know, like, tell the truth, you know, your truth, get the word out.

[746] And not be fearful of what might happen because he could have been one of the biggest stars in hip hop he chose not to be he chose to be a voice and sometimes in being that voice you know you get objects put in front of you and certain opportunities don't you know get put on your table because he says some great shit man he's talking about getting mad at the president it's like being man at the manager at McDonald's yeah you know for the way the corporation's being run yeah it's it's he he is very insightful in the shit that he says, and he is very unafraid to state it and state his opinion.

[747] For you to get, like, people coming up to you, when they first started coming up to you, telling you that your music got them through things, that it means so much of them.

[748] When that first started happening, that must have been surreal.

[749] You know, yeah, because as an artist, especially as a young artist, that's not something you think about, oh, well, these songs are gonna...

[750] Well, it depends on the artist you are, right?

[751] Well, you guys hit.

[752] How old were you, like, 23 or something like?

[753] how old were you when that was like uh we released in 91 and it really started going for us in 92 so 22 you're a kid yeah that's so crazy yeah there goes the baby fro wow wow look at the baby fro yeah but i mean think about that man that is so crazy for you to go from the guy who yo m tv raps yeah who remembers that i did a bungee jump at this spring break with trech from Nottie by nature.

[754] Was that the one that was in Cancun?

[755] No, that was Daytona Beach right there.

[756] Oh, okay.

[757] When MTV was still, when MTV was still loud over there.

[758] It was back when MTV had music.

[759] Yeah, when they had music format.

[760] MTV was music videos.

[761] Good luck finding a fucking music video now.

[762] I guess they still have.

[763] You gotta go to YouTube.

[764] Yeah, exactly.

[765] That's wild.

[766] What was it like when it first started popping off?

[767] and you were 22 years old, did it feel real?

[768] It was a crazy thing because it's not something that I had ever envisioned happening.

[769] You know, I didn't think that, you know, the music would blow up like that.

[770] You know, we were doing it to obviously try and make a name for ourselves and make music that people like, but fuck, we didn't see that coming at all much, especially with Insane in the Brain when they told me, when, like when Killam Man started going, and it was like surreal because you know we didn't think that song would take just because it you know of of the chorus itself you know fuck what the song is about that you know we knew that the chorus was you know what they were going to hear more than anything and so you know we we thought we're going to have a good underground album we didn't realize it would blow up we didn't think they were going to put kill a man in the juice movie yeah and that would blow that song up even more so than it was it was getting um because we had released funky fill ones first and it was a double a side single funky fillwin and kill a man on the other a side which means um at that time that dj's had the option of which song they wanted to go whereas most of the time you had an a side b side and the a side is most definitely the one that the record company wants you to push we gave it a double a side because we thought maybe the djs would like kill a man more they went with funky philwin the record company because they figured it would be easier to market right and then the DJ started flipping the record course and we started getting traction behind that our record was out like six months had dropped off the chart and they flipped the record our shit slowly starts to go back up the chart we got back on the chart and started climbing and we were getting a whole lot of mixed show play and then we started doing a lot of promotional shows that being one of them and it started going and Killiman started getting us going and I mean we toured for probably a year and a half like a lot of just a lot of promotional shows not getting paid you know just you know Sony having us out there promoting the record and by the time you know our record got back back up into the middle of the charts I mean it was still rising but and they saw that they were like we got to get them off the road and making a new record so that's when we got out there with Black Sunday and with Black Sunday and insane coming out again that's not a song I thought would blow up when they chose that for the single I'm like well all right there's better songs but fuck it that's the one okay so it comes out boom it explodes and now we have our Black Sunday charting at number one coming in and our first album had come all the way from the bottom to hit number five so we had two two albums in the top 10 of the 200 songs, you know, on the chart, which no one had ever done in hip -hop before.

[771] We had one in five slot.

[772] And, you know, fuck, we definitely didn't think that was going to happen.

[773] I mean, you know, it was all a surprise.

[774] And it went from one minute you could go to a mall and be, you know, unassuming and nobody even knows who the fuck you are.

[775] And, you know, you're getting about your day to now.

[776] You go.

[777] to the mall and the whole fucking mall is swarming on you like fucking you're like you know paul mccartney or something it was the craziest shit they they would ask us to leave the malls like really yeah like uh we used i used to go to this one called uh the mona bello it was in monabello i can't remember what the name of the mall was but it was in monabello the only one down there at the time and we knew everybody there you know as we're coming up because that's where we'd go shop so you know you make friends and people in the shop and stuff like that and uh when we come back off a tour this time and go try to go to that mall you know one of our friends fucked up and wore a cypress hill jacket oh and that's like a fucking billboard when you're standing next to one of us right so before you know it boom we get swooped and and you know the pre cell phone too yeah and the mall security goes hey man you know i know it's fucked up but you guys got to go Really?

[778] It's like, yeah, man, it's a commotion.

[779] You guys got to go.

[780] They're telling me. I was like, they think somebody's going to fight.

[781] I'm like, wow.

[782] All right.

[783] I never went back to that mall after that.

[784] Wow.

[785] All right.

[786] Cool.

[787] Because, you know, one, I didn't want to cause them problems too.

[788] It was now it was tough to go somewhere at that time and not get, you know.

[789] Swarmed.

[790] Not get swarmed.

[791] It was, it was quite, quite an experience.

[792] man like you know because you only ever hear about it till it happens and you might you know if you have friends in the in the industry and it's happening for them you might see it indirectly you know like through that through their shit and uh you know we had friends in the business you know for kid frost was one of my friends um before we got out there and is he still around yeah yeah he still does stuff you know um i don't know if he's putting out so much new music these days but he's he's still here and there he's doing some of the cannabis industry stuff too because he's a big connoisseur i gotta tell you my man smokes used to smoke like a train man like him and i would trade joints off left and right but you know for a time you know i would go hang with him at his gigs i'd be his bodyguard because i was the one that was not afraid to carry the hammer meaning the magnum in my waistline you know i was we were cowboys man we were always armed at that time from 89 to probably 97 or 98 we were holding pistols on our hip like cowboys and you know he knew that so he asked me he would ask me to go to the gigs you know to you know double as his bodyguard I wasn't his bodyguard but I was his bodyguard you know what I mean right right and um I'd see the way he handled it and I'd see the way you know people crowded around him and and and uh you know I I learned how to deal with it watching, you know, how he would do it in a negative way or a positive way.

[793] Because, you know, he was sometimes embraced the crowd.

[794] Sometimes he's like, fuck off me, you know, like a lot of artists are, you know.

[795] And that sort of prepared me so that when, you know, we got in our lane, you know, I knew how to sort of deal with it.

[796] And I, you know, was always courteous and cool and respectful and never the guy that was like, no, man, fuck that.

[797] get out of here because I see it and some of my homies were like that you know and I didn't I hated the feeling that when the fans would walk away just totally fucking wind out of their sales and shit like that now they don't like this artist ever again you know and I saw that and I never wanted to have anyone walk away with that experience I always embraced it even when it was a pain in the ass you know so when was your first time ever getting on stage do you remember first time there used to be a club called Radiotron here in the 80s right and it was the hip hop club if you were into hip hop any aspect of it whether it was rapping breakdancing popping graffiti all the people went to that spot and um it was hard to get in there and it was hard to get on the mic no less um but we had a homie who was like a legendary DJ out here when when um the a m station was playing hip hop his name was Tony G. And he was the leader of the Mixmaster show, the head Mixmaster.

[798] And he had a residency at the Radiotron.

[799] So we grew up with one of his boys that was his, like, his, uh, protege.

[800] So they invited us over.

[801] And myself and San got on the mic and Mello.

[802] And I froze the fuck up.

[803] I tell you, I froze up.

[804] I forgot every rap I ever wrote or.

[805] ever memorized i was like uh it was it would be one of the two times that i would freeze in my life and and it was that was the first time i was on stage and and all those people looking at me waiting expecting something i totally blew it you know and i told myself okay i got to get over the nervousness and then the other thing we were doing like was uh it was like um they they wanted rappers to do this PSA for some bullshit right and They wanted us to write this rap and put all this certain information in there.

[806] And I had it.

[807] I had it memorized.

[808] I had it locked in.

[809] The minute they said, go.

[810] And they were filming it.

[811] You know, this was to film it, I kept fucking it up horribly.

[812] I didn't even get through it.

[813] I was like, I'm sorry, I can't do it.

[814] Fuck.

[815] You know, I was getting mad at myself doing like, fuck, what's wrong with me?

[816] Were you high?

[817] No, I wasn't.

[818] Maybe that was a problem.

[819] That was probably the problem, you know, because when I'm not high is when shit like this happens right so those were the two times that i totally fucked it up and i like from the last time i said i'll never do that again i'm going to be prepared and i'm going to get through the anxiety or whatever it is and um so those were the first two times but the first time on stage where i actually pulled it off was probably one of our first showcases it was at a it was at this place off of the 10 and it wasn't a showcase it was actually a competition you know how they used to do uh competitions at clubs like fucking uh what they call it uh forgot what they used to call them but you know different bands would it was like a battle of the bands right so we went in and uh i'm coming off of that horrible fucking deal that had just happened you know maybe a month or two before and i totally got over it and we were performing real estate you know in this showcase and we lost But we made the biggest impression there because the song, you know, we performed it like, you know, the way that it's supposed to be.

[820] And then at the end, Sendog jumped on the big judge's table and he, you know, he grabbed his balls right in front of the fucking female judge.

[821] And then as he jumps off the table, it breaks in half into her lap.

[822] Oh, no. And everybody loved it.

[823] We lost to these dudes who are like new edition wannabes.

[824] We called them Titsy rolls, but we don't.

[825] remember they won but in reality we won because that's everybody was talking about us at the end you know like how raw that was and after that show I realized you know this is this is how I'm supposed to do it and I seen KRS one uh do a show one time where the sound went out he didn't have a stage he was on a couple of tables that were put together and he just got up in front of the whole club no microphone no music and just started rapping his verses and people were rapping right along with him not giving a fuck that the sound turned off but the fact that he just continued to do the show and that right there taught me a lot about how you control shit on stage yeah sometimes when when things go wrong it's a great opportunity oh yeah yeah did a show at the improv last month like maybe last month or the month before the power went out and they're like like, what do you want to do?

[826] I said, fuck it.

[827] Let's do a show.

[828] I could yell.

[829] So we just did, everybody just did the show with no microphone.

[830] But that was a, you know, the improv's a small room.

[831] It's only 180 people.

[832] Yeah, I mean, that that place was, you know, a small place too.

[833] But, I mean, it goes to show you, man. Like, if you got it, you can do it.

[834] Yeah.

[835] It's probably better sometimes because it's unique.

[836] Yeah, because people will remember that, you know, the other way, yeah, you know, it probably would have been a great show and people would be talking about.

[837] it, but they'll remember the fact that you got over that adversity and were able to still deliver.

[838] And that's the shit that KRS 1 did for me. He showed me through the adversity.

[839] He kept doing the show and the people were still with him.

[840] And I thought, okay, one day that's going to be me and I'm going to do what the teacher does.

[841] And, you know, that had been one of the most important things that I learned, you know, in watching others do shows and stuff.

[842] like that and what i would do when i got up there you know and uh i applied all those those you know lessons man you know and and it's made me who i am as my part of cypress hill and when i do my solo stuff and when i'm with profits of rage that you know that got me prepped for everything that i do now in terms of music now how did you well it's good that you for you to tell people that you had a real hard time your first time performing oh yeah there's probably a lot of people out there.

[843] They'll get anxious.

[844] Yeah, a lot of people will never say that.

[845] They'll lie, you know, but I think that's important.

[846] And there's nothing wrong with those feelings, man. It's good.

[847] You're gonna learn, man. You're a kid.

[848] It's like, you liken it to, to, like, college stars that are coming into the professional sports now, like basketball players, for instance.

[849] You get this number one draft pick.

[850] He comes to a team and everybody has these high expectations.

[851] No one knows that this kid, you know some people own the space like lebron and coby and kevin garnett who came straight from high school and they own the space the minute they got in it i mean Kobe had to work yeah it wasn't the greatest you know when he when he started he had to work to get to where he was at and and uh a lot of these guys do some of them you know again they come in and they already got it you know like lebron he was you know playing a grown man's game right when he got into the league thrown into the fire but he was ready for that he got better and and learned the role and learned who he was as he's gone but he was one of those rare thing rare people that can just jump into it some people have to get better at it yeah and you know it's the same thing with music like you get thrown on on that big stage for the first time if you're not prepped for it you're going to definitely be nervous now you could either embrace that and it'll be your first show and you could do a good one or you can do a horrible one but either way you can learn from that and if you don't learn from it then the run is short if you learn from it you know you learn how to get better and sustain a longer career how did you learn how to get over the anxiety like your first show having a the first show suck like that what was it how did you learn like how did you take classes did you read a book we you know what we did that that helped me was that we rehearsed a lot because for me it was like more remembering the songs it wasn't like the nerve to go out in front of people because we came from the break dance in b -boy culture the popping and stuff like that so much of that is going against someone battling someone in front of a crowd and if you can be in friend of a crowd doing that because that's vulnerable I mean you know because in a battle you could either win or you lose and if you lose you know obviously you can lose in an embarrassing way or you lose in a close battle but either way people are sitting there watching you judging you either cheering you or booing you one you know any one of those so that helped me be able to get on stage and perform in front of people it for more for me it was more about knowing the songs making sure that I know them through the nervousness you know and so for us we did a lot of rehearsals in the early days just so that those first shows that we did that we were locked in and we made an impression and you know when we did that and we saw the results of how people were reacting to our show it gave me more confidence so you know I'd I'd rehearse the songs in my head you know, when I wasn't around the other guys, I'd be kicking the songs or be on a treadmill working out, saying the songs, you know, getting them in my head and just gave me the confidence that I know this fucking shit.

[852] I go up there, I'll rock this fucking thing.

[853] I'm not going to forget it because that's always the problem for me. It was never getting in front of people.

[854] It was, do I know my shit?

[855] And now I know it in such a way that like, you know, it's second nature.

[856] Do I still get those nervous butterflies yeah for sure some shows depending who's watching who's on the side stage or how big the crowd is and whatnot yeah i still get some of that but you know i i do a quick meditation before i go out there you know just in my head real quick and then our band prayer and then that's that's the that's the switch right there and we go and we're ready and it but it took me a while to get to that you know because it takes work it's like anything if you're an athlete if you're a boxer, you're only going to get better by boxing all the time, training all the time, not over -training, but making sure that you're in there putting in the work.

[857] And it's the same thing when you're rocking stages, you know.

[858] A lot of us sometimes forget to go and put the time in and rehearse.

[859] And you could see that when there's a sloppy show or someone's out of breath or they're not saying the whole line, or they said the line wrong, or they're changing up fragments of the song to make it easier for their performance.

[860] and it doesn't necessarily fit.

[861] That's when you know somebody ain't putting in the work.

[862] But for us, you know, we always, you know, that was a part of the draw for Cyprus.

[863] That's how we won a lot of people over was the energy of our live show.

[864] So, but it took that, the rehearsals, man. And I would tell any artist coming up right now, man, before you start doing your shows, because you may get a hit like that fast these days.

[865] And you may be called to go do that.

[866] show now if you don't do that show right and you suck as good as that song is you're never going to sell tickets when they fucking say hey so -and -so's performing at the you know this place ah fuck that i'd rather just listen to the record he sucks live you know so rehearse man rehearse and then after that hey take you know do what you will but those they fucking help man you know for your confidence on performing the song that's a wise thing to tell people man man, be a professional.

[867] Be a pro.

[868] You can be a professional.

[869] Decide you're a professional.

[870] Put in that fucking work.

[871] That work does give you confidence.

[872] And it works with fighting.

[873] It works with comedy.

[874] I'm sure it works with everything.

[875] Yeah, man. You've got to be proficient.

[876] You've got to be red D. Professional and official at the same time.

[877] Proficial.

[878] What is the meditation that you do?

[879] Just the self -awareness.

[880] You know what I mean?

[881] Like the circular breathing, you know, and concentrating on that and in the moment.

[882] And then, you know, just letting that clear my head.

[883] You know what I mean?

[884] Just focusing on the breathing.

[885] I mean, that's what they tell you pretty much in any meditation to focus on the breathing and all these things are going to come through your head.

[886] But if you keep on focusing on that, you know, everything sort of goes away.

[887] And you're reset.

[888] So, you know, I'll do that when I feel maybe some sort of anxiety before going on.

[889] And if I don't feel that, I don't necessarily do the meditation.

[890] We'll just do the prayer and that sort of like, you know, sets it all in.

[891] But yeah, like some shows, man, I'll have to like go in a room and just sit there and, you know, do the breathing, man. And it helps.

[892] People might think, what the fuck is I going to do?

[893] It's going to reset your mind and give you some clarity.

[894] You know, for me, at least that's what it did.

[895] What's the biggest crowd you guys ever performed in front of?

[896] um i think the biggest was woodstock 94 i think it was 93 94 and that was like 380 some odd thousand people that's so crazy oh my god we've done some big ones like that's a country yeah that's a small european country we we've done some like you know like at uh you know 100 000 people and 150 000 people oh my god i got to see this that's fucking Fucking insane.

[897] That is insane.

[898] And I had just cut my hair right there.

[899] I was like, you know.

[900] Whew.

[901] Oh, my God.

[902] See the little guy next to Mugs?

[903] Mm -hmm.

[904] He was our miniature knockout guy.

[905] He knew Jiu -Jitsu Taekwondo Shoto Khan.

[906] He trained with my boy Kenji, and he was like our unofficial security.

[907] Oh, that's hilarious, because unassuming, right?

[908] Yeah, he's a little guy.

[909] I mean, he even did a, he even did a few MMA fights.

[910] Look at the size of that fucking crowd.

[911] That is insane.

[912] I almost lost my shit right here because, you know, seeing 300 and some odd thousand people jumping around to your shit, you know, it could give you some equilibrium problems.

[913] I would imagine.

[914] Because it looks like waves crashing into each other when it's that big.

[915] I mean, that's got to be one of the biggest concerts ever.

[916] Yeah.

[917] anybody's ever performed in front of In North America for sure I mean in all of human history Yeah it was one of the biggest How the fuck I mean how do you get it More than 380 ,000 people together Yeah it's crazy That's probably only happen a few times It's crazy I mean every band they had on this This particular bill was huge at the time You know so it was Yeah it was it was pretty crazy Trying to just get there We like some of us had to get in through boat Some of us had to get in through helicopter Why?

[918] Is there so many people?

[919] Because they had started parking on the roads like the old school woodstock, and they jammed up the highways and stuff like that.

[920] They parked, like, they pretty much shut the shit down.

[921] And I went in through helicopter and some of the other guys went in through the boat.

[922] A helicopter, that's when you know you're on top of the world.

[923] You're flying into a show in a fucking helicopter.

[924] And I'll tell you, that's when you realize why you can never get away from the cops when they're in the helicopter.

[925] If I can see everything.

[926] Well, that's a funny thing, man, when you watch those dudes that are trying to escape.

[927] from the cops on the ground and then you watch the cops in the helicopter the spotlight just stays in the car the entire time look at that aerial that's yeah that's and that's just the piece of it right there and they had a rotating stage what are you doing you have to take a shit like how long does it take to get from the front row to the back I'll tell you we walked around in that shit right there and it was super muddy and crazy and people were like butt naked with mud smeared all over their fucking bodies and it was like people went primal I swear to God there they go right there they were having mudslide parties Oh man that looks awesome People made babies that day in their tent I'm sure they did For sure they did I'm sure there's a lot of people out there right now It was it was fucking crazy man I gotta tell you there was there was people out Totally hippied out Like straight up butt naked And there was a good portion of them I mean not in terms of the whole Concert I mean there's a small percentage but, like, you've seen just naked people walking around free out there.

[928] It was crazy as fuck.

[929] We're like, are we, is this really happening?

[930] Shit, man. And then the mud was so thick, man. It was the type where, like, if you walk through it with your shoes and your shoes weren't tight or you weren't wearing boots, it was sucking the shoe right off of your foot.

[931] It happened to me a number of times.

[932] Hell, in that show, I jumped into the crowd because normally I would jump into the crowd and you know just be floating you know stage dive style but I would still be doing the song right and uh on that particular show they took my shoes and socks I got back on stage with no shoes and socks and you know about 15 years later you know I had one guy with one shoe come to the show and fucking have me sign it oh and then the other shoe some of some chick had it and had me sign it Some years later So I caught up with both shoes What about the socks?

[933] Didn't catch up with the socks Didn't catch up with the socks But the shoes yeah Caught up with them Do they have a limited amount of tickets For Woodstock?

[934] I mean what the fuck do they do When you get that many people I think they probably started With some sort of limit And then it became chaos And then it became chaos You know like something they couldn't handle Imagine if you lived there And that shit descended upon your tail off I know they were pissed off They had a break For like fucking 25 years They had a break They sold 164 ,000 tickets But the crowd estimated size was 550 ,000 Okay well shit I was too short It's 200 ,000 short Oh my God Yeah Because the rest rushed the gate You know they took the fence And you know Took it down and they just fucking rolled To roll on it I would imagine yeah You know because when it's an event That everybody wants to get to They're going to find a way to it And it's outside And it's outside And with those numbers, man, that's just, you can't stop that number.

[935] No, and it, you know, it's, it's a great part of their history because, I mean, you know, that one was a good one where no one got hurt.

[936] There was no crazy, no crazy shit happening like the next one after that.

[937] I mean, they had so many.

[938] What happened to the next one?

[939] Well, shit.

[940] They had a bunch of women say that they had gotten raped or molested at, at the one the following year.

[941] um and uh there was fires and shit at the end yeah and then there was fires there was a whole bunch of people lost their fucking mind at that one and they had some great bands too so you know they don't do that anymore right woodstocks no they're doing it enough they're doing what are you doing you fucking idiots move sell your house yeah do something do something it's crazy though because this is a fires holy shit man yeah they had bonfires yeah i believe when limp biscuit or corn went on it was either limp biscuit or corn and and the fires just fucking started.

[942] People were pissed too because they were charging so much for water and like they couldn't get to the bathrooms like you were asking like they didn't have the facilities set up as well.

[943] Yeah, they didn't have adequate facilities for what the fuck was popping.

[944] I mean, you know, you know, Jesus Christ, look at the fucking what it looks like after it's over.

[945] Listen, a thousand Andy Gumps for 500 ,000 people is not going to do it.

[946] You imagine.

[947] You need like 10 ,000 Andy Gumps.

[948] Yeah, imagine being the dude who gets in there after a 5 ,000th dude that's taking a shit there they totally took over the fucking highway right there crazy they shut down the fucking highway they just parked their cars they made yeah they made the highway the parking that is crazy look at that yeah at least it was kind of orderly like what they did sort of sort of they shut down i'll tell you this though they were cold -blooded um the the organizers because oh look at the fucking no but that is so crazy oh yeah it's like a airplane these guys had some fucking moxie i'll tell you you that hey listen you know after every band was done with their set they expected you to leave right away because the next wave of bands was coming and they were getting your spot so like if you had a dressing room once your set was done you were expected to get the fuck out so you had a helicopter out of there if if yeah it was best if you did because if you didn't take the ride when when you were supposed to you were getting stuck there they couldn't guarantee that they could give you the ride back to your shit after that you know because they had all the other bands to think of and they might not have room for you when they take the other bands so it was like yeah look at that fucking picture oh my god yeah oh my god oh yes that's what pack look it looks like Pacman oh my good that is it doesn't look at the stage right that's insane that picture is insane yeah it was that that's that's the one i'll remember the most i mean we've we've done some huge gigs but like That one by far, you know, never have we played for another 500 ,000, you know.

[949] What does it sound like when 500 ,000 people scream?

[950] Much like that Viking chant.

[951] I mean, we had a small nation right there.

[952] Yeah, that's crazy.

[953] Real, legitimately.

[954] Like, when you leave there and then you go do a regular gig afterwards, does it feel weird?

[955] Yeah, well, it depends.

[956] But, yeah.

[957] It takes them adjusting?

[958] It does take some adjusting, you know, especially if the next gig isn't as hype as that.

[959] You're like, fuck, we just came from Woodstock.

[960] But fortunately, the smaller gigs that we had after that, you know, in terms of playing festivals, they were like, you know, in between 30 ,000, 70 ,000, 100 ,000.

[961] And we felt that that gave us such an experience that we can handle any fucking stage.

[962] So it became easier for us to do festivals after that.

[963] and the reaction that we would get at these festivals were smaller versions of what we did there, you know, and it was, it was a great experience because we had been doing like a couple of European festivals before that, so it sort of prepared us for that, but we didn't, we didn't, I mean, the fucking numbers, we were definitely not prepared for it.

[964] We're like, whoa, what the fuck.

[965] Yeah, that's like, that transcends reality.

[966] Yeah, I mean, listen, we know that that's not.

[967] our show they're not all there for us you know because it's a mixed bag right a bunch of different artists and you're winning over people if anything you're you're you're there playing for your your base of people that might have come to see you but you're winning everybody else over if you're doing it right and uh for us it was like a victory because we saw you know half a million people up there jumping up and down to all our shit and they knew the words and they were singing with us and you know that It was like a big notch under the belt and a boost for our confidence knowing that we can get in front of anybody, play with anyone, and get that reaction.

[968] I mean, because after that, you know, we were getting booked on metal -driven festivals and stuff where we're the only hip -hop on it, but it's all straight -up metal.

[969] I mean, we were playing shows co -headlining under Metallica, right?

[970] As Metallica, Cypress Hill, biohazard, deaf tones, fear factory, and all that stuff, you know what I mean?

[971] And we'd be in that mix playing those festivals with those guys and with hip -hop music.

[972] And, you know, the boost that it gave us into confidence.

[973] It was like, fuck that.

[974] We can play with any of these motherfuckers.

[975] It doesn't matter who it is.

[976] And we went to those metal festivals with our hip -hop and got metal reaction.

[977] mosh pits stage dives everything what you know and in it felt good to be able to hang up there with them metallica i mean yeah what they do to a crowd is crazy but we realized that if we were playing on the same venue going before them we can in a festival form we can fucking hang with anyone and and uh that's that pretty much put us over the top with doing festivals like yeah we're we're gonna fucking rule this shit people are going to going to have to, people are going to have to up their game when we're on that festival with them.

[978] That's the way we took it.

[979] I would imagine you couldn't sleep for days after that show.

[980] The adrenaline was crazy.

[981] I got to tell you, the adrenaline was crazy.

[982] Like when you're in the helicopter leaving, were you like, what the fuck just happened?

[983] Yeah, we were tripping out, man. I mean, we were like totally in awe of the response that we got and the, you know, the enormity of the fucking crowd, man. I mean, it was fucking huge.

[984] It must be a partisan.

[985] something that that, I mean, that's like something that no one there is ever going to forget.

[986] We took it for granted.

[987] I've got to tell you when we fucking, well, they want you to do, okay, we'll do with stock, whatever.

[988] And when we got there, that's when we saw just how fucking crazy it was.

[989] I think this, yeah, see.

[990] Oh, this is you, so they steal your shoes?

[991] Yeah, they're going to start coming.

[992] Watch.

[993] I have to hold my shirt forward so that I don't get choked out.

[994] And there goes, there goes the first shoe.

[995] There's a tiny.

[996] You're not to take that first one.

[997] That is so ridiculous.

[998] What were you thinking when they were taking a shoe?

[999] Like, God damn it.

[1000] I was like, oh, fuck.

[1001] There goes one shoe.

[1002] There goes one white sock.

[1003] Yeah, there goes the other shoe.

[1004] That is so ridiculous.

[1005] And there is no fucking security that can stop 500 ,000 people and save all that shit.

[1006] No. You're at the mercy of the fans.

[1007] Somebody's going to grab from my sock pretty soon.

[1008] That is so wild.

[1009] They're just stealing socks.

[1010] Look at it.

[1011] It's still your pants.

[1012] Hey, listen.

[1013] And, you know, they tried.

[1014] Anybody grab your dick?

[1015] No, you know, they tried to grab the weed in my pocket.

[1016] Because sometimes, you know, when your adrenaline is kicking, you're not really thinking, you know, what's in my pocket and shit like that.

[1017] But yeah, you know, throughout, I had chicks trying to grab my shit for sure.

[1018] Of course.

[1019] For sure.

[1020] Yeah.

[1021] That was a little, you know, crazy for me, you know, but it is what it is.

[1022] If you're going to stand close, you know, shit like this happens, right?

[1023] Yeah, man, I mean, if you're going to stage dive, you got to assume some weird shit is going to happen.

[1024] Yeah, I mean, for me, you know, people were mostly respectful, you know, but they would go through my pockets to see if I had weed.

[1025] In one night.

[1026] They rabiddy are your pockets out?

[1027] Yeah, I did.

[1028] I had some, I had like an ounce of weed at one show, and I jumped in and I totally forgot.

[1029] I had it in my pocket.

[1030] Boom, if I can took my goddamn weed.

[1031] I'm like, I hope you enjoyed that.

[1032] I bet they did extra.

[1033] I know they did.

[1034] Are they rolling that joint?

[1035] This is Be Real's weed, man. I know they do.

[1036] Straight from California.

[1037] This is the real shit.

[1038] California weed to this day still holds up.

[1039] Yeah.

[1040] I mean, you got some good Colorado weed.

[1041] There's some good weed all over the country, but most weed is just, it's like okay.

[1042] It's okay other places.

[1043] Yeah.

[1044] Colorado and California and then the rest is kind of Seattle's got real good weed.

[1045] Seattle actually blow your fucking mind.

[1046] They'll blow your mind.

[1047] Yeah, I got to say.

[1048] Oregon, they'll blow your mind.

[1049] People have stepped up.

[1050] They're still behind California.

[1051] You know, in terms of how much good weed there is here.

[1052] Like, I mean, there's so much, you know, from north to south and in Central Cal, there's so many different strains that are fucking good, right?

[1053] You go to other places, and they have a few strains that are good.

[1054] But that's because they're still, you know, they're still trying to catch up in terms of knowledge and cultivation and stuff like that and how to make the strains that they have, you know, maximize the full.

[1055] flavor and in the high and all that stuff some have caught up and some are still lagging a little behind but i got to tell you man when this last trip i just had to vancouver i was just there um for 420 and uh they had some shit that california boys would be like yo this is fire right here you know they had uh animal cookies that were really good wedding cake which is a strain It's, you know, popular here in Cali, you know, via the jungle boys and, and, uh, burner and stuff like that when they were, when they were working together on exotics.

[1056] And, uh, and they also had this, this joint called black diamond and tri octane.

[1057] And all of them, man, I got to say all of them burn sweet.

[1058] They tasted good.

[1059] They had that white ash that people are looking for now, you know, people think, you know, when they see white ash, it's the purest.

[1060] um news flash even if it has a little bit of black ash it's still you know there's still you know people clean flush their roots you know what i mean it's just that some of the nutrients if you're using salts as your nutrients you know which most people are these days your ash comes out white if you're using nutrients that are already pre -made like an advanced nutrients and in the others sometimes you know you might have a little bit of black ash because some of the components into those nutrients doesn't mean it's not clean it just looks prettier when it's white but anyway these guys they're shit all white ash and the taste was fucking beautiful and the high was definitely there and i got to say guys in vancouver man they've stepped it up well they've been running weed through vancouver for a long time did you ever see that what was adam scourgy's documentary he had the culture high and then before that there was another one, the documentary that was all about uncovering how much of Vancouver's entire economy is based on marijuana.

[1061] And if you pulled it out, like when they talk about the union, that's it, the business behind getting high, when, if you pulled weed out of Vancouver, you took it out of their economy, their economy would essentially collapse.

[1062] I mean, it's responsible for so many people being wealthy up there.

[1063] And it's so, it was, now it's 100 % legal throughout the entire country.

[1064] but back then in 2007 i was in that documentary that was 12 years ago it was just tolerated yeah was was weirdly tolerated where it wasn't legal but they didn't ever arrest anybody for it but there was a lot of gangsters a lot of hell's angels were involved a lot of dudes were selling weed and they had flashy diamond colored what covered watches and shit there was a lot of that yeah yeah yeah you know it's still sort of um i mean you know listen the black market's always It's going to be, you know, anywhere, especially right now that the taxes are so high to buy cannabis and to grow it and all that stuff.

[1065] Everything that involves it, it's pretty expensive right now.

[1066] So they're encouraging organized crime.

[1067] Right.

[1068] In a certain way, yeah.

[1069] Which my point was, you know, when the corporations come in, that shit comes down.

[1070] And then the black market has a bigger problem at that point because then prices of cannabis will come down.

[1071] but you know it's always going to exist and you know we sort of went through the same thing when when 215 came about here in california where it was you know cops didn't know what the fuck to do when they caught you with it they didn't want to do anything you know because they knew as well as we were this shit is eventually going to be legal they don't want to be wasting their time and putting people in jail for for cannabis because you know there's other people that need to be in jail for real for real crimes um but um yeah i think what's happening in vancouver now is that now that it's legal yeah people are still making money and they're still you know they're still on top of the game but it's it's it's harder to make the money right now well at least well maybe not for canada because it's federally legal but you still got to jump through a number of hoops you know in terms of regulation and fines and fees and and shit like that to operate, you know, and they're a little bit different than ours.

[1072] Obviously, we're not, ours isn't like federal yet.

[1073] But, uh, I mean, you know, from what they were saying is that like, you know, in a few years, all these companies will be making a whole lot of money.

[1074] Right.

[1075] Now, they're making money, but it's basically about survival, getting past a certain time when all the, all the legislation, all the rules and all the regulations are finally set and place and they're not going to change from year to year like they like they have been so you know well Denver had it real weird for a while where they weren't allowed to use banks yeah you know like us yeah right now here in cali we can't use banks yeah what do they do with that so they can can they use credit cards here they used to be able to yeah you can use credit cards um but realistically it's it's if you're making money from from cannabis in terms of if you're a cultivator or your uh or whatever if you're a business entity in the cannabis world they won't take your money if they know it's coming from the cannabis cannabis culture right but you know in the last in the last two months they've you know Forbes just put out a story about that the federal government is going to start allowing banks to uh to allow banking in the cannabis in the cannabis it's not going anywhere they'd be crazy to not you're just leaving money on the table you're leaving a whole lot of money on the table.

[1076] California considers plan to encourage marijuana banking.

[1077] Yeah.

[1078] Yeah.

[1079] And that just came out yesterday.

[1080] You know, the Forbes story came out like maybe last week or something, but this is, you know, one of the residuals of it is that, you know, in places like California, that we had problems with banking.

[1081] Yeah.

[1082] That is no longer going to exist.

[1083] So now if you needed to expand your business or something, you can get a business loan now or you can actually put your money in the fucking bank you know whereas before you had to fucking buy some sort of vault or some shit and keep it there and uh you know obviously that ain't safe because you got pirates out there still to this day trying to figure out okay where do they keep their money because it's not in the bank well when i was in colorado when it first became legal and they were having a real hard time they couldn't use credit cards every it was all cash and they just had spec ops guys everywhere bulletproof vests just covered with guns just ready to rock and at any moment's notice and they were worried that they were going to get you know yeah someone was going to try to take over the store and take all the money yeah i mean there's still issues that they got to worry about moving into the future in terms of transportation right you know because throughout throughout the history of doing any sort of business terms of products going from one side of the nation to the other you know trucks get hijacked a lot yeah for electronics for any sort of goods so you know when you're transport supporting cannabis from state to state, they're going to have to have that, you know, figured out too because there's, you know, people that are going to be trying to jack those trucks and hitting that into the black market.

[1084] You know what else is weird?

[1085] There's people that they post up on people's private land and start these grow, these grow centers.

[1086] They put up a garden in people's land.

[1087] Like, I have a friend who works on a ranch in like central California, and they were doing this run they were checking gates and uh checking fences where the cattle are and they found like a fucking acre of weed they're like what the fuck is this and there was some dudes there they had campground set up and shit and yeah it was like they were just they were cartel dudes they just like set up a spot yeah find a spot set up they don't know who fucking owns it and if they you know they get dropped off there apparently they i think if i remember the story they got the guys and the guys basically explained how it worked that they get dropped off and they get you know they leave them with seeds and this and that and then new guys come in every couple weeks or a couple months and they live there yeah just watch the weed until it grows to the point where they can cultivate it and then they move on after it's done yeah but they do that all over the place oh yeah people find them in like state parks and forests and shit yeah like hiking that's why it happens mostly up north and in central cow down here we don't really i mean the way they patrol the state parks is slightly different down here in the south they'll They'll catch that shit.

[1088] Yeah, I think that's why they did it at the ranch.

[1089] Because it was Tahone Ranch, which is like 270 ,000 acres.

[1090] Yeah.

[1091] It's a huge place.

[1092] Yeah, it's like, I believe natives own that ranch, right?

[1093] Yeah, you can find, to this day, these stones where they ground up acorns, where they have like a little, like a pivot, like a hole where they ground it up.

[1094] I took pictures of it and shit.

[1095] It's pretty cool.

[1096] Because you've got to think, like, that's probably a thousand years old.

[1097] Yeah.

[1098] Someone who's probably grinding acorns in there, a thousand years ago.

[1099] thousand years ago yeah i've never been up north to humboldt i've never been up to that area oh man it's it's uh it's unique there's a lot of nice flavors up there um if you're in the glass a lot of good glass blowers out there that's a long standing weed culture oh yeah i mean that shit is generational right there was like from the 70s you've heard about humboldt yeah and in i'll tell you man you know it as quiet as is they've been in cannabis culture you know you would think that that that'd be one place that's like celebrated and whatnot but i mean they still are coming up with you know incredible flavors down there you know in terms of uh you know breeding certain certain um certain strains and creating new strains in doing it outside you know like yeah as they call sungrown or or a greenhouse you know which is not something we do here in the south in the south we we do hydro it's you know indoor because we don't have the same type of um moisture and shit up well we don't have the space neither you know the forestage and the moisture and uh you know we have we have insects that would eat those outdoor crops if they're not in a greenhouse you know what i mean like fruit worms and shit like that up there and you know up north after dark you know it gets cold so some of those those insects can't live and that environment but in the south it doesn't get as cold as it does up there so they can live here so you know if you're going to do a greenhouse here you it's got to be a greenhouse it can't just be outdoor exposed because they will get they will get fucked with for sure those photos that i've seen of that area it's everything's so fucking green it's crazy it's like seattle almost yeah it's awesome man we were just there not too long ago playing a show up in yourica this fucking guy look at that guy in the middle of this forest of weed yeah on a half hillside no less you know it's not even a flat ground he's just he got it going yeah that looks like he's just in the woods yeah he just started growing it in the woods that's crazy well i bet it has a different feel to it right oh yeah out there with nature like i mean i don't want to get too hippie too hippie -dippy but i would think that something that lives in nature with all those other trees and shits communicating with those trees oh yeah i would think so and you probably get more of like a natural feel for the weed yeah they're probably You know that deer.

[1100] Damn, look at the weed plant.

[1101] It's like the fucking bushes.

[1102] Jesus Christ.

[1103] It's a California blacktail right there.

[1104] Columbia blacktail.

[1105] It's a big deer.

[1106] That is a big deer for that part of the.

[1107] Probably eating the weed plants.

[1108] Probably.

[1109] It's probably healthy as fuck.

[1110] I mean, if he's eating the seeds and shit, you know?

[1111] Easy, yeah.

[1112] Probably fertilizing some of that shit out there.

[1113] For the longest time, we used to have to get, you know, I'm one of the owners of Onet.

[1114] And when we made hemp protein, we used to have to buy our shit from Canada.

[1115] It was so stupid.

[1116] stupid.

[1117] I was like, this is so ridiculous.

[1118] You have to buy hemp from another country to bring into this country.

[1119] Stupid.

[1120] Well, that's going to change for sure.

[1121] Yes.

[1122] Well, it's got to change.

[1123] I mean, for everything, for clothing, even building houses.

[1124] You ever see that hemp crete that that shit they make?

[1125] It's like hemp concrete.

[1126] Yeah, it's crazy.

[1127] It's lighter.

[1128] It's better.

[1129] It's got better insulation values.

[1130] It's harder to burn.

[1131] This is the type of shit that Jack Herrera was trying to tell people in Emperor wears no clothes.

[1132] Yeah, he really was.

[1133] All this stuff that We use today, hemp can be, you know, the alternative at a cheaper cost.

[1134] Including plastic.

[1135] Bio -degradable plastic.

[1136] All these people that are worried about plastic bottles and everything, how bad they are for the environment.

[1137] Hemp bottles, you could make plastic at a hemp, and it would be biodegradable.

[1138] Yeah.

[1139] It sounds like horseshit.

[1140] There's so many things that you could do with weed that it sounds like you're making things up.

[1141] It sounds like you're making it up, but it's actual fact.

[1142] Yeah.

[1143] And, dude, over the last, like, couple of months.

[1144] I've been fucking around pretty heavily with CBD, like every day.

[1145] Oh, yeah.

[1146] I've been taking this.

[1147] This is a, it's a one in one.

[1148] It's 10 milligrams of CBD, 10 milligrams of THC.

[1149] I take this.

[1150] That's the perfect fucking balance.

[1151] Take one in the morning, one in the afternoon.

[1152] Boo!

[1153] All day long.

[1154] All full of don't give a fuck juice.

[1155] There you go.

[1156] We all need that.

[1157] Yeah, man, it's awesome.

[1158] It's an interesting time.

[1159] Yeah.

[1160] You know, for someone who was, you know, you used to have to hide it before.

[1161] Yeah, and, you know, that's the beauty of it now, is that you don't have to hide it.

[1162] And people that used to, you know, you got people now that you never thought were smokers.

[1163] And, you know, now they're coming out and just being totally free with it.

[1164] And that's great, man, you know.

[1165] What is that?

[1166] A hemp laptop?

[1167] What the fuck is that?

[1168] A hemp top.

[1169] It might just be a cover, but, yeah.

[1170] That's pretty cool.

[1171] But how could it be a cover if it's, like, the USB ports and everything like that?

[1172] They have those, like, skin covers.

[1173] It could just be a look -alike, but it looks like it is amazing.

[1174] They should make it.

[1175] I don't know.

[1176] They shouldn't make that.

[1177] It's a miracle plant of our time.

[1178] It is.

[1179] I got to agree.

[1180] It is.

[1181] It is.

[1182] Well, listen, brother, you're a bad motherfucker.

[1183] I really appreciate you.

[1184] Thank you, brother.

[1185] Forever for a long time.

[1186] So it's cool to get in here.

[1187] And we're in a hot box this week too.

[1188] Yeah, we're going to get in that smoke box.

[1189] People have been asking for you for a long time.

[1190] I got to tell you.

[1191] And I say this, you know, in some of the smoke boxes, you know, like, because it's the real of the shit.

[1192] Like, we just had Mike Tyson in there, you know.

[1193] And how weird is it to smoke weed with Mike Tyson?

[1194] I've smoked with him before.

[1195] And I've smoked with him on a couple separate occasions aside from there.

[1196] But one of the places that I smoked with him was at that fucking Leota Machita Rashad Evans' fight.

[1197] When we all left, you know, after the fight, we were sort of getting to our cars.

[1198] And he ran into me and my partner, Kenji, and we were smoking a fat one right there.

[1199] And they'd be real.

[1200] How are you doing that?

[1201] I'm getting ahead of that.

[1202] I was like, all right, fuck yeah, champ, here you go.

[1203] And, you know, we always knew he smoked out.

[1204] What was crazy about this interview real quick, that I'll say it.

[1205] Like, because you asked me this in this interview, like, what did you do for the anxieties before, like, you know, let's say we're going to go on stage or do the shit, right?

[1206] So I asked him that similar question.

[1207] I said, you know, as artists, as athletes, before we're going to go do our thing in front of a mass amount of people, you get this nervous energy.

[1208] what did you do to you know deal with that and he said are you to get hypnotized before fight you know and he was saying how he would the guys that work with him would uh instill these certain words like calmness you know that would be a reoccurring word that they would do in the hypnotizing him before a fight so that he would always be calm in the fight and never fight desperate in always be in control of the situation no matter what happened and that's how he would you know get that nervous energy down and and uh be able to fight with such focus but the other interesting thing he said was that he never fought i mean he was smoking the whole time you know he's a big weed head since he was like 10 years old apparently but he said that he was smoking you know but not necessarily when he was training they would give him pharmaceuticals when he was training You know, shit that he wouldn't feel nothing, but he didn't have focus.

[1209] What kind of pharmaceuticals?

[1210] He said some of it was fentanyl, some percocet, some.

[1211] Fentanyl wasn't even around back then.

[1212] Well, a form of it, you know, like whatever.

[1213] Yeah, it was an opiate that was whatever, the fentanyl of that time, whatever.

[1214] I can't remember what he called it.

[1215] But there was two or three prescription drugs that they would give him it.

[1216] And he said he wouldn't feel nothing.

[1217] He felt good.

[1218] Like there's no pain, no nothing.

[1219] but the focus that he had was was not not there right he said that he smoked weed in one fight like he smoked weed before one particular fight and and he used the whizinator to get through the urine test somehow he fucking he says it in the interview and you know he said that the fight that he had where he was smoked out was with Andrew Galata and he said he'd never had so much focus in a fight That it made him realize he should have been smoking weed through every goddamn fight because he focused on everything he was supposed to.

[1220] He said he broke his cheek here.

[1221] He broke his orbital.

[1222] Yeah, he broke his orbital.

[1223] He broke a rib and part of his back with a body shot.

[1224] Jesus Christ.

[1225] And he said, you know, that was the fight.

[1226] That was the one and only fight that he, you know, smoked out beforehand.

[1227] And Andrew Galada got flatlined.

[1228] And Andrew Galada left the ring.

[1229] He was like, fuck this.

[1230] And Andrew Galada had been through wars.

[1231] Oh, yeah, man. Those Riddick Bo fights were crazy.

[1232] The Riddick Bo fights.

[1233] I mean, because Riddick Bo was really good, you know, but he didn't hit like Mike.

[1234] No, no, no, no. I don't think no one hit like Mike.

[1235] If you look at like some of his early training.

[1236] Oh, crazy looks.

[1237] He was so crazy back then.

[1238] If you look at some of Mike's early training in his footwork, it's almost like, you know, almost like martial arts based.

[1239] the way that he attacked and then he shifts on his attack and his footwork.

[1240] Customato.

[1241] Costumato was a master.

[1242] A master.

[1243] Yeah, it wasn't until he switched up and got rid of Camvin Rooney and where the destruction starts happening.

[1244] I think it was also his life was just too crazy.

[1245] It was just too crazy.

[1246] No one could manage that from the time when he's 20 to, you know, by the time he retired.

[1247] I mean, it was probably just a whirlwind of chaos.

[1248] And it's crazy because he realizes that, like, looking back at it, and he says that he doesn't train anymore because it awakens a beast in him.

[1249] Yeah, I know.

[1250] He said that.

[1251] It made me nervous.

[1252] Because he said that to you, too, right?

[1253] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1254] Because I was watching, you know, your interview with him.

[1255] And one of our guys that was in the back seat asked him, hey, do you ever train?

[1256] Do you ever, you know, he was like, nah, I don't do that no more.

[1257] Yeah, he goes every now and I get on the treadmill, and I do some running on the treadmill, but that's it.

[1258] I would imagine that if he got back in training, he'd get in shape real quick.

[1259] Oh, I'm sure.

[1260] But, you know, it would awaken a beast.

[1261] Yeah, they're all like, you can't quit.

[1262] You can't quit.

[1263] He's like, fuck you.

[1264] In between rounds, he just got up and left.

[1265] He's like, push that guy away.

[1266] He's like, you're not filling these punches.

[1267] He knew something was wrong.

[1268] Well, he knew his rib was broke.

[1269] Well, his eyeball was broke, too.

[1270] Look, they're trying to put the mouthpiece.

[1271] Put it in!

[1272] It's Lou Dova.

[1273] Yeah, it's Lou Dova.

[1274] No, it's not Lou Dova.

[1275] No, it's not.

[1276] Who is that guy?

[1277] It looked like Lou Dover for something.

[1278] second.

[1279] Yeah, I mean, you could tell his fucking face is busted right there.

[1280] It did look fairly normal, but I'm sure it felt like shit.

[1281] You know, like, it doesn't swell up real bad until later.

[1282] Listen, you know, if Andrew Galada, you know, who's been in wars, you know, with Riddick Bo and other fighters, like, he was a, no slouch.

[1283] If he's telling you, I've had enough of this shit.

[1284] Let him go.

[1285] Let him go.

[1286] Because he knows.

[1287] Yeah.

[1288] Once they found out that his back was broken and his face was broken, they're probably like, oh, okay, sorry.

[1289] Yeah, I mean, think about that.

[1290] His corner guy was like trying to put his mouthpiece back in.

[1291] It's so stupid.

[1292] Once a guy doesn't want to fight, you can't make him fight more.

[1293] I mean, it's like he's already flipped that switch inside of his head.

[1294] You know what?

[1295] I told Mike that he didn't realize this is the last thing because I know we both got to go.

[1296] But I said, do you know that all the dudes you fought to get to that title, including, you know, the dudes that you took titles from, they all stopped fighting after you beat them?

[1297] none of them wanted to come back and get nothing they didn't want no part of that heavyweight title after that he retired so many boxers oh yeah right he doesn't even realize that bruce selden tony tubs go down the line all of them he didn't retire larry holmes larry holmes wait until he went to jail and he's like i'm gonna come back yeah yep yeah that's the only guy bone crusher smith yep uh tyrell biggs he definitely retired tyrell bigs they were rivals at one point in time yeah he fucked tyrell biggs Pretty good.

[1298] Leon Spinks.

[1299] Michael.

[1300] Yeah, Michael.

[1301] Yeah, he said, you know what?

[1302] I had this title too long.

[1303] Yeah, it's like, that's a wrap.

[1304] Yeah.

[1305] Enough, check please.

[1306] And he told me just like, I think, you know what?

[1307] I didn't even realize that.

[1308] Yeah, man. He really did.

[1309] He retired a lot of people.

[1310] So we all saw it.

[1311] He was a force in nature.

[1312] Yeah, and I told him, the other thing I told him real quick to was, you know, like that explanation that he had on his documentary where he, as he's coming to the ring, he knew he had the fight one.

[1313] He could see it in their eyes.

[1314] and then once he steps into the ring he's a god they're done right and i told him you know i was at that bruce selden fight and um i saw exactly what you explained in bruce selden because bruce selden was knocking fools out left and right he was like a really good heavyweight the minute he got in there with mikey fanboyed out tasted that glove didn't want no more yeah it was an experience it wasn't just that you were fighting a guy who knew how to fight but you were fighting Mike Tyson, he was this, this thing, this cultural phenomenon.

[1315] He was thought to be at that time, everybody was thinking he's the greatest heavyweight of all time, as a destroyer.

[1316] Yeah.

[1317] No one had an answer for him.

[1318] No, you know, Selden, Selden, he pretty much, you know, he was a fan, that was his idol, and he totally got rocked.

[1319] He was so huge at the time that when Buster Douglas beat him, even though I knew he beat him, I watched the fight afterwards, I couldn't believe it.

[1320] I'm like, this is, he's going to get up.

[1321] It was Bruce Seldon.

[1322] Look how Jack Bruce Seldon was.

[1323] Yeah, he's a big boy, man. Fucking tank.

[1324] And he was knocking people out of me, he looked 29 knockets, and he was fighting good guys.

[1325] Oh, yeah.

[1326] Because I was the WBA heavyweight champion at the time.

[1327] Yeah, I mean, I followed his career too, you know what I mean?

[1328] And yeah, he totally fam -boid out on Mike, man, Mike.

[1329] Well, look at the stair down.

[1330] You see him in the stair down.

[1331] You look at that.

[1332] Yeah.

[1333] It's like, oh, no, you made a tremendous mistake from getting here tonight.

[1334] Tremendous mistake, bro.

[1335] Look that.

[1336] Look how much bigger, Selden.

[1337] too he's a big boy bro he wasn't taking none of that shit Tyson's footwork and his ability to close the distance and bobbing and weaving i mean it was like there was nobody before him like that no man there'll never be another guy like that as a heavyweight he was just so fast too because realistically the guys who trained him yeah they had a certain technique and nobody uses it well it was not just that it was what what mike talked about in the podcast about being hypnotized yeah i mean from the time he was a little boy and you know the fact that he had nothing before that everything was his life was shit it was all pain and suffering and poverty and then all of a sudden some guy comes along and rescues him and takes him teaches him out of box and then all of a sudden he gets recognition and in and positive feedback and he felt like he was something special boom he fucking hit that canvas hard and he don't want it i we kind of forget sometimes what it was like watching those fights to you go back and watch them now i mean there's there's amazing fighting right now like the like terence crawford who just won uh saturday night amazing amazing boxers but what mike was was something he was something completely different yeah he was something that like transcended sports yeah everybody wanted to see him fight you know if you believe in conspiracy theories right he didn't even hit him right there he just fell on purpose right if you believe in conspiracy theories right you think about it like this right Mike was knocking guys out in the first round and people were paying a whole lot of money for tickets and pay -per -view, you know, when you look at it, it looks like they were trying to slow his role and put in a guy like Evanderholi -Field who was a brawler.

[1338] He could box, but he could brawl and take the fight 11 rounds and, you know, make it a fucking great pay -per -view where Mike would totally ruin the pay -per -view and knock your ass out in a minute.

[1339] And when you look at it, the way boxing was for such a long time, I wouldn't put it past it that, you know, a lot of the shit that happened to him was manipulated so that it would slow his role.

[1340] What kind of shit?

[1341] Like, what do you mean?

[1342] Well, you know, the people that he had around him.

[1343] I mean, you had Dodd King around him.

[1344] He took all his people that he trusted away from him, put different trainers in his corner, different people that were influencing him.

[1345] And it just took him backwards, man. And all the people that actually helped got him there were fucking gone.

[1346] And those were the guys that was actually giving him guide.

[1347] as to you know how to conduct yourself be a man and all that stuff and he got around the vultures man and they and to me i think don king being don king he stood more money he stood a chance to make more money with someone taking out the fight you know 11 to 12 rounds as opposed to one well he just he gave mike the worst deals ever to yeah and the whole thing was terrible he stole money from him to this day mike hates him yeah and it's all terrible anyway thank you my man thank you my man I'll see you in a couple days.

[1348] Yeah, for sure.

[1349] I'm looking forward to it.

[1350] Right on.

[1351] Bye, everybody.

[1352] Woo.

[1353] Yeah.