70 - Live at the Moontower Comedy Festival

[0] This is exactly right.

[1] Hey, this is exciting.

[2] An all -new season of only murders in the building is coming to Hulu on August 27th.

[3] Steve Martin, Martin Short, and Selena Gomez are back as your favorite podcaster, detectives.

[4] But there's a mystery hanging over everyone.

[5] Who killed Saz?

[6] And were they really after Charles?

[7] Why would someone want to kill Charles?

[8] This season, murder hits close to home.

[9] With a threat against one of their own, the stakes are higher than ever.

[10] Plus, the gang is going to Hollywood to turn their podcast into a major movie.

[11] Amid the glitz and glamour of Los Angeles, more mysteries and twists arise.

[12] Who knows what will happen once the cameras start to roll?

[13] Get ready for the stariest season yet with Merrill Streep, Zach Alfinacus, Eugene Levy, Eva Longoria, Melissa McCarthy, DeVine, Joy Randolph, Molly Shannon, and more.

[14] Only Martyrs in the Building, premieres August 27th, streaming only on Hulu.

[15] Goodbye.

[16] Just do that for a little longer.

[17] I'm trying to finish my mint.

[18] You don't mind.

[19] they love it they love it spit it over there what's up tech cowboy boots for you guys walk those things around Vince said yeah scared Vince said that they're culturally appropriating I'm culturally appropriating This is definitely a problematic way to start the show Sorry guys And I also wore my hair closer to God I guess that's the thing Yeah, they love that.

[20] I know how to...

[21] Pander.

[22] Yeah.

[23] What are you wearing tonight, Karen?

[24] Well, I'm wearing a dress that's a little too tight.

[25] And so it's got, I've got like a reverse spank situation where kind of like, you can't tell if it's a big stomach or a flop of material, and neither can I. I'm not sure what's happening down here.

[26] And I don't care anymore.

[27] Show everyone your fan.

[28] See, thanks.

[29] I really wanted to put my microphone next to that.

[30] microphone.

[31] Do you know how much the sound guy would hate me if I did that?

[32] Just like what do you think?

[33] Oh no. So obnoxious.

[34] This place is haunted, I heard.

[35] Stephen, is it?

[36] Stephen sent us this long text that I got after, like, we got off the plane, and it was like, it was like the history of this place, and here are all the ghosts.

[37] There's a projectionist that worked here when this was a movie theater, and he died while showing Casablanca, which everyone thinks is beautiful.

[38] because he died doing what he loved.

[39] I agree.

[40] I didn't mean to say it like that.

[41] That sounded argumentative and bizarre.

[42] So stupid.

[43] You guys think that's nice.

[44] What you don't know is...

[45] I was going to tell you on stage that...

[46] Saving it for this.

[47] Yeah.

[48] So Vince and I were on the airplane today and I couldn't like get into Wi -Fi.

[49] So he was like leaned over as a husband will do and was like, let me figure this out.

[50] And so he, like, figures all the stuff out.

[51] And then he goes to click on a website just to see if it's working and he pulls down my favorites page.

[52] Which, you know, most people are, like, Facebook and Twitter and, like, at Craigslist or whatever, like, normal things are.

[53] Yep.

[54] And then he stares at it for a minute and he goes, are these all serial killers?

[55] And I was just like, yeah.

[56] Yeah.

[57] And then we moved on.

[58] And that was it.

[59] Serial killers are my Google.

[60] Yeah.

[61] It's just, it's just the given.

[62] Yeah.

[63] I had a kind of fascinating thing happen.

[64] First of all, I was the last person on the plane.

[65] Oh my God.

[66] You give me a panic attack.

[67] I know.

[68] That's how different George and I are.

[69] I was standing in the security line like, oh, this sucks.

[70] And George is like, text, text, text.

[71] I'm on the plane.

[72] Where are you?

[73] I was like, fuck.

[74] So I walked right on last.

[75] but then a guy who looked like he was it could have been I mean he was on his way to the city but I was like is he coming to our festival he was really big and had a ton of tattoos and many on his neck my friend used to call those the job stoppers just something to consider but these guys look like they look like they were at a band it could have been Lincoln Park I'm not sure I'm really old.

[76] I'm incredibly old.

[77] And he didn't have, like, tattoos that are like, oh, he just, like, pays a lot of money and gets tattoos.

[78] Like, they look like prison tattoos, kind of.

[79] They look like defensive maneuvers the way a cuddlefish changes into a different thing in the ocean.

[80] They're like, don't get me. It was totally like, beware of me. I'm very scary.

[81] Well, he stands up, and he's like, I got to get off this plane.

[82] And he fucking takes off.

[83] He had to go.

[84] He couldn't handle.

[85] flying the plane.

[86] I think he may have had a teardrop tattoo, but he couldn't.

[87] A three -hour flight was not going to happen in his life.

[88] Just like he was panicking?

[89] Yeah.

[90] Oh.

[91] I know.

[92] That's sweet.

[93] You should have cradled him the whole flight.

[94] Could you come down here a second?

[95] You're going to love this.

[96] Hold your hand.

[97] I know it's a weird time for you, and it's probably very shaming to be a very large, mean -looking man that's literally like, get me off this plane right now.

[98] Bested by a panic attack.

[99] Man, that's a bummer.

[100] I mean, I've had it.

[101] I've had, and on a plane, I've actually had a seizure on a plane.

[102] No brag, no brag.

[103] Oh, no. It's pretty cool.

[104] I was, I had been bumped up to first class because they screwed up my ticket.

[105] Yeah.

[106] And I was flying home from England.

[107] Oh, my God.

[108] And I was sitting next to, I was sitting next to this man who was like, he was like a silver fox and he had like really expensive clothes on from what I could, tell, like, not Target, and it's like, I wanted to touch it, and he was, like, kind of being charming and talking to me, and I had the thought of my head of, like, why can't I have a sugar daddy?

[109] Why can't I be one of those girls?

[110] I would be the best kind, because you wouldn't see it coming.

[111] It'd be like, oh, is that your assistant?

[112] And you'd be like, yep, that's my assistant.

[113] I had this whole fantasy in my mind of how we were going to do it.

[114] but then I had a seizure Oh my God, that's the worst possible And then Not cool Like it's not how you want a guy to see you Foaming at the mouth With blue lips The last thing I heard was him go Excuse me, I think this young lady needs help Like he was already It's like we were no longer even close anymore He was immediately distancing himself from me Just because I was having a seizure You're like a common drug addict on a plane?

[115] That's...

[116] Ooh, that makes me. That's scary.

[117] I know.

[118] Sorry, I just dug that one up from deep, deep down inside.

[119] I've only done the normal throwing up thing on a plane before.

[120] Which, like everyone here has, probably, right?

[121] Nope.

[122] Just me. Well, I think they have some questions like I do.

[123] Was it in the aisle or in the bathroom?

[124] No, no, no. It was in a receptacle.

[125] Like, not in...

[126] Where?

[127] In your lap, though?

[128] Uh, I don't, yeah.

[129] Say.

[130] Yes.

[131] Into one of them bags?

[132] Yeah.

[133] You used a barf bag on plane?

[134] Yeah.

[135] That happened.

[136] That's what they're for, though, right?

[137] No, totally.

[138] Sorry.

[139] The tone is wrong.

[140] I'm a little nervous, so everything I'm saying isn't how I mean it.

[141] It's all coming out super weird, but did you have to, this is the question I've always had, because it's barf.

[142] I mean, it just comes out.

[143] So do you, like, make your own thing at the top?

[144] so it doesn't come out the side?

[145] Yeah, hopefully it won't be, like, overflow and you don't have to grab your neighbors.

[146] Right.

[147] But then they have, like, it's like you're at, like, the grocery store getting vegetables, and it has a little, like, twist -time, you know?

[148] It's, like, a bag of cookies from Trader Joe's or something.

[149] Oh, I don't want to eat these all at once.

[150] I'm just going to wrap it down, put it aside.

[151] I'm a good, like, good controlled barfer, though, so, like, it was fine.

[152] Yeah.

[153] Oh, from practice?

[154] Well, yeah.

[155] Yeah.

[156] eating disorders Teenage girls Don't deal with them Junior high Go to therapy Very difficult time Just got real deep Real quick First of them God I wish I Knowing that about you Cool Lots of anorexics In the house tonight And Belimics Hey I actually had my dentist When I was in college My dentist Dr. Brown Who's my dentist All my life since I was a baby, and I was like...

[157] Baby teeth.

[158] I opened my mouth, and this is probably sophomore year in college, and he goes, oh, no, are you vomiting?

[159] Dr. Brown and I were the only ones that knew.

[160] I was like, it's still not working, Dr. Brown.

[161] This isn't the diet they promised it would be.

[162] He was like, don't drink 50 beers every night, Karen.

[163] I was like, sorry, I have no control over that part, Dr. Brown.

[164] None of this is real.

[165] None of that part of the conversation happens.

[166] It's called ad -living.

[167] That's right.

[168] And we love it.

[169] We love it.

[170] What a historic place to perform in that gorgeous song that I choose.

[171] And what a historic place to talk about barfing.

[172] Yes.

[173] It's pretty beautiful.

[174] This is the most beautiful place I've ever talked about barfing before.

[175] Now I want to see you do it myself.

[176] I have to say.

[177] I'll let you know next time.

[178] At some point on this tour, I want to see it.

[179] Okay.

[180] I've had too much red wine, you know, that sort of thing.

[181] That would be a bad one.

[182] I know.

[183] Because that's going to stain me as well as you.

[184] Wow.

[185] This is clearly my favorite murder.

[186] Yeah.

[187] About this show.

[188] I don't know why.

[189] Austin's cool people.

[190] Austin's cool people.

[191] You know that.

[192] It's comedy people.

[193] That's very important.

[194] Yeah.

[195] It's also Texas You guys have been showing up For this podcast since day one Like big time New York and I was like This is big at the weekend I feel the same way where it's like Oh my God, don't make them hate you I'm doing a great job Where it's all click click click I saw him life, that was it I got it out of my system It happens sometimes Yeah We'll think of something else We'll make croissants or something It'll be fine We'll be fine Oh, we got cookies backstage too Oh yeah, thanks for the cookies Yeah, they're so pretty We love them No Should be Very good state Somebody who clearly studied theater Was like You're welcome I used my diaphragm Project your voice There you go There you go Do you know You want to know a trick about song performance Yes This is one of the only things I learned in college because I took a class it was stage performance for musical theater singing stage performance I got the musical theater crowd I hear it what up nerds so you guys already know this so don't go get bored as I tell you this but as people in musical sing you just always have your arm going in a different direction and the thing is if like if you're going to sing about the horizon You don't point to the horizon.

[196] You, like, sing about the horizon, but you point down there.

[197] And then suddenly you're like, oh, my God, I love that.

[198] Is it because someone's going to, you point the horizon, and the people are going to be like, where's the horizon?

[199] Is there a horizon in here?

[200] Is it really a horizon?

[201] Okay, so it's just really...

[202] Just kind of go opposite of what you're talking about, and it creates a bit of a cognitive dissonance in the mind, and then the performance seems more important than it actually is.

[203] And you're not just singing about Oklahoma.

[204] I get it.

[205] That's really great.

[206] Thank you.

[207] I also need to learn how to sing and not just hurt people's ears when I sing.

[208] But I'll do it this while I'm doing it.

[209] Just give it a whirl.

[210] Yeah, I will.

[211] Next time at karaoke.

[212] Okay.

[213] Is Stephen under here?

[214] No. Steven's at home watching my cats, and he keeps sending me the cutest photos.

[215] Like, really cute photos.

[216] I feel like if there's anyone that was ever born to be a cat sitter, it's Stephen Ray Morris If you don't know him And maybe some of you don't Or you're like, who's this guy?

[217] It's just if you picture a cat sitter in your mind Just as fast as you can, that's him Add a mustache, boom It's so funny because sometimes I get depressed When I'm on the, like, when we're out touring Because I miss my cats and I'm like, are they okay?

[218] I don't know if they're feeding them And I wonder if he misses me, you know?

[219] Yeah And I drink too much red wine to forget it but like knowing Stephen's there like I barely thought about them I'm just like no they're actually they like him a little better than me yeah he and he loves them more than you he loves them way more than like I love you know and he just is taking so many selfies with the cats and I gave him my Instagram cat my cat Instagram password whoa I'm just like go crazy dude that's real commitment get me some followers work it Steve and work it let's get it together yeah let's hear it for Stephen Ray Morris he makes it It makes it all happen.

[220] I recently got asked if we were really as mean to him in real life as we are in the podcast.

[221] We are.

[222] But it doesn't matter because now he gets anything that we get sent, people send things to Stephen now too.

[223] So he's just, he's on the bandwagon.

[224] I think the dream is to start making enough money that Stephen not only is able to come on tour with us, but he is lower down on a half moon at the top of the show.

[225] Wouldn't that be good?

[226] Oh, my God.

[227] Holding a live, hairless cat.

[228] Oh, my God.

[229] Immediately, that needs to happen to me. Should we sit down?

[230] Look at these nice seats.

[231] I know.

[232] These are some good, young.

[233] I think these are kind of the nicest ones we've had in a while.

[234] Yeah.

[235] I'm going to do this, though.

[236] Last time I really felt like something rated, like, NC -17 was happening.

[237] Oh, no. While I was on stage show, I just like to do a little less of the direct, like, you didn't pay extra for those seats, did you?

[238] You don't get to have that.

[239] Everyone look away real quick.

[240] Uh -oh.

[241] There we go.

[242] These might be more form than function.

[243] All right.

[244] How's that?

[245] Did you hear that?

[246] I do.

[247] You can make it fart.

[248] Farfee.

[249] So.

[250] It feels a little unstable.

[251] Like, you know what I mean?

[252] Mm -hmm.

[253] So one of us might fall.

[254] Someone in the back that works here is crying.

[255] They're like, those are my good stools.

[256] I thought they would love them.

[257] I'm just like, yeah it's just a little oh this is perfect i'll sit like this a three -quarter and then when i tell my murder i'll just do this and i'll do that and i'll do this and then down over here and i just won't even look to you the whole time you're going to Sharon stone this thing I thought that's what I thought that's what you were doing I didn't mean to put you in a bad place no I mean no I might as Well, I can't sing and you don't want to see my underwear.

[258] Those are the two, those are my two rules in life.

[259] You've got to have at least two rules when you go on stage and not showing people your underwear should, maybe should be in there if that's your thing.

[260] Sure.

[261] Probably if you're a podcaster.

[262] Right, right, yeah, because, man, I don't spend enough money on lingerie because who cares?

[263] Who's going to, Target, again, bought mine from Target, Not like rich people.

[264] I mean, look, it works.

[265] Target works, and so we work it.

[266] Yeah.

[267] I mean, I need to get, look, I need to get eyedrops, bananas, and a brand new coat.

[268] Where am I going to go?

[269] I'm fucking going to Target.

[270] Should we do our murders?

[271] Yeah, you want to?

[272] Yeah, you guys want to do murder?

[273] Do you want to hear some?

[274] Bye.

[275] Now I'm ready.

[276] Well, Karen, let me tell you a tale of murder.

[277] That was cool.

[278] It's like when you get your haircut, they adjust you, and you're like, why, though?

[279] Yeah.

[280] Come back.

[281] Oh.

[282] Are you staying there?

[283] Why?

[284] I don't want to be up as high as I was.

[285] Okay, yeah.

[286] So how do we?

[287] Boop.

[288] Uh -oh.

[289] Boop.

[290] This is the part where I break my own nose with a chair.

[291] You just got to boop it a little.

[292] You can tell I've worked in an office for like 10 years because I know how to boop -boop these chairs perfectly.

[293] Oh, you did it real subtle?

[294] What?

[295] You mean you did little boops?

[296] Yeah.

[297] Nice.

[298] Good work.

[299] I'm new to chairs.

[300] This is the listening arm.

[301] Yes.

[302] Oh, interesting.

[303] Okay.

[304] I'm first, right?

[305] You're first this time, yeah.

[306] Right now.

[307] Oh, oh, oh.

[308] You just start reading mine.

[309] Stop it.

[310] Georgia always says that any time her paper is face up near me backstage and I go, and, like, anywhere near it, she'll go, don't read it.

[311] And I'm like, I am blind.

[312] I can't see anything.

[313] with no glasses on.

[314] I just love when it's a surprise.

[315] I don't know why.

[316] It doesn't make a difference, but I love it.

[317] It's our thing.

[318] It's our thing.

[319] Just like the underwear rule.

[320] It's ours.

[321] Ours and ours alone.

[322] Okay.

[323] One of the other reasons I'm nervous is because this murder, like when we knew we were coming to Austin, like a baby brat, said, I get this one!

[324] Like called it to Karen so hard, and she was like, go ahead.

[325] And then I took it on and I was like, this is hard.

[326] Shit, you know.

[327] What were you?

[328] Yeah.

[329] Wait, is this the one you told me you weren't going to do?

[330] I said I was going to do it.

[331] And then I said, never mind, I'm not doing it.

[332] And then I did it.

[333] And now you're about to do it?

[334] I know, I'm doing it.

[335] Okay.

[336] Hey, this is exciting.

[337] An all -new season of only murders in the building is coming to Hulu on August 27th.

[338] Steve Martin, Martin Short, and Selena Gomez are back as your favorite podcaster, detectives.

[339] But there's a mystery hanging over everyone.

[340] Who killed Saz?

[341] And were they really after Charles?

[342] Why would someone want to kill Charles?

[343] This season, murder hits close to home.

[344] With a threat against one of their own, the stakes are higher than ever.

[345] Plus, the gang is going to Hollywood to turn their podcast into a major movie.

[346] Amid the glitz and glamour of Los Angeles, more mysteries and twists arise.

[347] Who knows what will happen once the cameras start to roll?

[348] Get ready for the stariest season yet with Merrill Streep, Zach Alfenakis, Eugene Levy, Eva Longoria, Melissa McCarthy, DeVine, Joy Randolph, Molly Shannon, and more.

[349] Only murders in the building, premieres August 27th, streaming only on, Hulu.

[350] Goodbye.

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[352] Absolutely.

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[370] Goodbye.

[371] This is, this is the yogurt shop murder.

[372] We've got to figure out a way to explain to people who like work here or might just be passing through the room accidentally what that moment is about.

[373] Because it's not what it seems.

[374] It's not what it appears.

[375] That's a good point.

[376] Whatever.

[377] We'll worry about it later.

[378] It'll say, there may be cheering for murders.

[379] But it's not that exactly.

[380] It's not really that.

[381] Yeah.

[382] But we don't...

[383] Okay.

[384] Yeah, whatever.

[385] It's not our problem.

[386] Okay.

[387] So, in Austin, Texas, the early 90s, it's still a relatively small college town field where violent crime was fairly rare.

[388] And that all changed on December 6, 1991, when 13 -year -old Amy Ayers, 15 -year -old Sarah Harrison, when they went to, I can't believe it's yogurt in a strip mall.

[389] That's like a really unfortunate name.

[390] No, listen, I wanted to laugh too, but I'm a professional, so I didn't.

[391] But I heard a snicker, and then I was like, do we do that?

[392] Well, there's a whole run of yogurt.

[393] We can just visit this for one second.

[394] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[395] In the In the 80s and 90s, frozen yogurt was like the penicillin of America.

[396] It came so hard for us, and we all bought it 100%.

[397] In my mind, I was like, well, this is a diet.

[398] I'm going to eat this only.

[399] It's yogurt.

[400] And now I'm going to have, like, John Hughes High School experience.

[401] Didn't turn out that way.

[402] No. But I still love, I would get carib chips on mine.

[403] because I was a hippie.

[404] You are a big hippie.

[405] I aren't a big hippie.

[406] But the names also, so there was, I can't believe it's not yogurt.

[407] I can't believe it's yogurt.

[408] I can't believe it's yogurt.

[409] I had one across the street in my house called Frogan Yozert.

[410] It's just like, you just can't name it.

[411] Like, my frozen yogurt.

[412] I worked in one in high school called How Sweet It Is.

[413] Gotta.

[414] But then it was almost like a subtitle of We Have Yoged.

[415] You think that since I love pun so much, I'd love like a play on a name.

[416] But, you know, sometimes it's got to be simple.

[417] There's also the country's best yogurt, which if it's a chain, how can that be?

[418] But let's not argue right now.

[419] Is it a franchise or no?

[420] Okay.

[421] I can't believe it's yogurt in a strip mall off West Anderson Lane to visit Sarah's 17 -year -old sister, Jennifer, and their friend Eliza Thomas, also 17, as they closed up the shop around 11 p .m. Remember when you could just work at places by yourself until 11 p .m. Just like hanging out closing shops by yourself?

[422] I totally did that.

[423] Hey, I'm a sophomore.

[424] Of course I can do this business.

[425] Of course I should have the keys and work the safe.

[426] Totally.

[427] That's definitely something.

[428] Makes perfect sense.

[429] Well, so the girls were going to have a sleepover afterwards.

[430] So Amy and Sarah came by to help what?

[431] Just that they're like closing a business and then going to a sleepover.

[432] That should be the, hey.

[433] Like half of them can't drive.

[434] Yeah.

[435] And then they're.

[436] So they're helping to close up, which is so sweet.

[437] They're like, we'll help you mop so we can go hang out sooner.

[438] And so this was close to 11 p .m. when Amy and Sarah showed up.

[439] And let's cut to midnight about an hour later after the closed sign had been turned, the front door was locked, and the man who owned the shop next door called Party House, spotted flames and smoke, and called the fire department.

[440] Let's do the first picture.

[441] Please.

[442] That's, I can't believe it's yogurt.

[443] Exclamation, but.

[444] Fucked up, right?

[445] I mean, we really couldn't believe it was yogurt at the time.

[446] It just tasted so much like ice cream.

[447] It's like, am I a dairy queen?

[448] This is insane.

[449] My life is so much better now.

[450] And yogurt's healthy.

[451] I eat it all the time.

[452] And you're a hippie.

[453] I mean, all these things.

[454] That's such a 90s crime scene photo.

[455] Yeah.

[456] It's like such a bummer.

[457] It should have, like, the digital date down to the bottom.

[458] Like, your mom took the picture with her camera.

[459] Oh.

[460] This is, okay.

[461] But I think what's so crazy about it is that this is a really, like, almost suburban area, and there's, like, the strip malls, and, like, it's pretty safe, and you don't normally see 17 fire trucks at a spot.

[462] So I think everyone knew something was up.

[463] Yeah.

[464] Okay.

[465] You can take that off.

[466] Thanks.

[467] Burn it.

[468] Oh.

[469] I didn't mean it like that.

[470] I didn't, sorry.

[471] No, no. That does not count against me this time.

[472] Stephen, cut that.

[473] Stephen, that never happened in reality.

[474] Fuck.

[475] Sorry.

[476] Okay, you can take it down because I want everyone staring at me and not that horrible photo.

[477] Oh, no. Today's the day she turns into a diva.

[478] I've been waiting till Austin.

[479] and to really come out and hate you all.

[480] No, I love you all.

[481] Well, or we can leave it up.

[482] As they worked to put out the flames, the building was, of course, trampled by many firefighters because I thought it was just a fire.

[483] And then one of the firefighters went in the back door, spotted a human foot inside the back door of the storage room, like sticking out.

[484] And then shortly after that, they realized what was going on, the bodies of Sarah, Jennifer, and Eliza were all found together in the storage area.

[485] They'd all been stripped.

[486] They've all been stripped and two were bound and three girls were shot in the back and the three girls were shot in the back of the heads with 22 calibers.

[487] Eliza and Sarah had been stacked upon each other and Jennifer was laying next to them possibly having been moved by the high -powered fire hoses that had swept the scene.

[488] And then 13 -year -old Amy was found a few minutes later, lying alone.

[489] She was barely alive and she was near the bathrooms.

[490] She had initially shot with the 22 as well but had survived that and was shot again with a 38 and she died shortly after.

[491] Some of the girls had been raped but it would be years before DNA testing would become available.

[492] So investigators concluded that the fire was set to cover up the crime and the culprits had drenched styrofoam cups with lighter fluid and set them on fire.

[493] There was about $540 missing from the register but investigators didn't think the motive was robbery because there was also a bank bag underneath the cash register and it had money in it and nobody took it.

[494] So I've been reading the book Who Killed These Girls by Beverly Lowry, which is a new book simply about this crime.

[495] It's really good and don't read it before you go to bed.

[496] And so she says that some of the shortcomings of the less than experienced Austin PD, they talk about that a lot, fire and water damage, the lack of multiple views, victims, the amount of people traipsing through the scene, all should have been handled by investigators who had experience in these kind of crime scenes, but they weren't.

[497] Because Austin at the time didn't have that.

[498] Well, also, when you think it's a fire, you're not treating it like a crime scene.

[499] No. It's the exact opposite of how you would treat a crime scene.

[500] Right.

[501] But as soon as that happened, it should have been locked down.

[502] They should have gotten someone in who was in, you know, but anyways.

[503] Yeah.

[504] The bodies weren't swab for traces of an accelerant.

[505] The bathrooms weren't dusted from fingerprints, the trash bags weren't combed through, the metal shelves and mops that were next to the girls when the fire started, somehow ended up in the alley, and then they disappeared, most likely taken to the dump.

[506] So that's what happened.

[507] During the investigation, Darrow Croft, who seems like a badass, he was a former cop who ran a security company now, and he had been in the yogurt shop around 10 o 'clock that evening buying yogurt.

[508] And while he was there, he told investigators that he was approached by a man wearing a military fatigue -style jacket.

[509] And he was telling the other customers to go ahead of him for some reason.

[510] And he asked Daryl if he was a cop because he saw his car that had lights, the security lights on it.

[511] And when he said no, he offered Daryl to go ahead of him.

[512] And I think like a normal Texan man, he was like, no, you know, like gruff is go ahead kind of a thing.

[513] So then the man So Daryl said that when the man did go to the counter In front of him he ordered only a can of soda And then after he paid He moved around the counter and went to the back of the store And when Daryl asked where he'd gone Eliza told him that she'd allowed him to go to the back To use the bathroom so she didn't know him Daryl hung around for a counter for a few minutes To see if the man ever returned but he didn't He stayed in the back and then Daryl said there was just something that didn't feel right And when the man just didn't return Darrell left the store that was around 10 p .m. He's got to have some guilt over, you know what I mean?

[514] I didn't know what was it.

[515] What's everyone doing?

[516] There was a hubbub.

[517] Well, also that's the thing of, if he stays in the store and now he's the weird guy in the store.

[518] Totally.

[519] But I think he knew them, the girls.

[520] Oh, he did.

[521] Like small town, you knew them.

[522] Even weirder.

[523] Well, yeah, he also, he knew them for the gym.

[524] So that would be weird, too.

[525] Yeah.

[526] Yeah.

[527] Fair enough.

[528] There was also a couple, an older couple, that visited the store closer to closing time than Daryl on the same night of the murders.

[529] They saw the two men sitting in a booth acting strangely.

[530] The woman said they made her uncomfortable.

[531] The couple left around 1045 as the girls began to close up shop.

[532] They closed at 11.

[533] And they left the two men alone in the shop.

[534] So the policy of the store was to lock the door 10 minutes before actual closing.

[535] time, but you leave the key in the lock, so everyone who's finishing up, you can just easily let them out, but nobody knew can come in.

[536] So the door is locked.

[537] So these two creepy dudes were the last customers in the store last night, that night.

[538] And about an hour later, the fire was first noticed.

[539] So that's okay.

[540] Eight days after the murder, however, Jennifer, Eliza, Amy, and, sorry, eight days after the murders, investigators picked up a 16 -year -old named Maurice Pierce, the North Cross Mall, which is just a couple of blocks from the crime scene.

[541] He was carrying a 22 -caliber handgun.

[542] During questioning, he said that he'd lent the gun to a friend, Forrest Wellburn, who was 15, and that they'd use it to commit the yogurt shop murders.

[543] And Welborn denied any involvement, but told investigators that he and Pierce and a pair of acquaintances, Robert Springsteen and Mike Scott, had taken a joyride to San Antonio in a stolen SUV not long after the crime and so it put these two other boys Robert and Mike on the radar as well I have a photo of it and you can put it the next one no that's not it there we go that's them it's like it just reminds me of Paradise Lost mm -hmm yeah what do you think guilty or not guilty Oh shit You're just saying that because of the mullet It's not fair Anti -mullet It made sense back then Other people were doing it Yeah that's right Okay So So Wellborn's brought in for questioning by the detective He passes a polygraph test The ballistics of the gun Didn't match up to the bullets that had been used There was no evidence to link any of them to the crime, and detectives noted that Pierce seemed to have a mental illness, but anyways, they were dismissed as suspects, and the case stalled.

[544] So was Pierce, the one that said he did it?

[545] Yeah, and that has the mental illness.

[546] So that's almost exactly the crime you just named.

[547] Paradise Lost, yeah.

[548] I was like, Innocence, something.

[549] It just happened, and we can't remember.

[550] Yeah, that's right.

[551] That's right.

[552] Okay.

[553] So five years, later, and around 342 suspects and 50 false confessions, or confessions that didn't pan out, a new detective Paul Johnson takes over.

[554] And he, okay, obviously it's one of those, the city's freaking the fuck out.

[555] Why, I mean, you caught them murders, you guys are inept, that sort of thing, and so the cops do the thing that they always do, where they're like, it's this guy, you know, because they're like, we got someone.

[556] So Paul Johnson did that.

[557] He, um, he focused on, on the boys, the four boys.

[558] Let's see.

[559] He brought in Pierce Scott Springsteen and well -born for questioning five years later.

[560] All of them denied any involvement in the murders at first, but after a series of intense interrogations, Scott broke down and admitted that he helped carry out the murders, saying he shot one of the girls in the head at Pierce's insistence.

[561] The police theory was that the four guys, this four teenagers, planned to rob the yogurt shop.

[562] Three of them would go in, one of them would wait in the car, but that something went right, and the killing started.

[563] Then the detective that had originally dismissed the boys as suspect was never consulted by the new cop.

[564] So in 1999, all four men charged with capital murder.

[565] Springsteen admitted to shooting one of the girls, but Pearson Wellborn never admitted to killing, and they were let go.

[566] So the crazy one who started at all was let go.

[567] Despite having nothing but confessions to use against them, which by then they had both recanted, saying that police had, of course, coerced their statements.

[568] And there was even a photo of Paul Johnson holding a gun in the interrogation room to the back of one of their heads.

[569] What?

[570] Yeah.

[571] Who took a picture of that?

[572] It was a selfie.

[573] It was surveillance video of the fucking thing.

[574] Oh, oh, shit, yeah.

[575] So, like, that's kind of coercion.

[576] Did he not know?

[577] I mean...

[578] Jesus.

[579] Well, he had already put people away for false confessions that later were exonerated.

[580] by DNA and people admitting to it, so this was kind of his thing.

[581] And here he is now.

[582] You get to say your side of things.

[583] I wonder what his hometown murder is.

[584] Okay.

[585] So, but they're sentenced to, so Springsteen sentenced to death.

[586] Scott's sentenced to life in prison without parole in 2001 and two.

[587] Then, in 2007, so that was 2001, new DNA evidence not available during the original trials revealed a male's DNA on the youngest victim, Amy.

[588] When the DNA was tested, it didn't match any of the 14s.

[589] Convictions were overturned.

[590] The cases were thrown out more than 10 years after they were arrested.

[591] So they were in jail for a decade?

[592] Yeah.

[593] All right.

[594] So what really happened?

[595] So it wasn't until 2011 that Carlos Garcia, the lead defense attorney for Mike Scott, put the crime scene photos into sequence, looking for details that he might have previously missed.

[596] This is fucking bananas.

[597] When he looked closely at a specific crime scene photo, go!

[598] Sorry, sorry, sorry.

[599] When he looked at a specific crime scene photo of the dining area of the store, which wasn't that badly damaged by the fire, it showed the room, mostly clean for the night.

[600] Tables had chairs stacked on them, the napkin holders were full, except for one table.

[601] A booth in the back, barely visible, and also the booth that the elderly woman told the investigators that the two sketchy men were sitting in close to closing time had no chairs on top of it, and the napkin holder was empty.

[602] Let's get the phone out What, for real?

[603] Yeah.

[604] Right back there.

[605] Oh, no. Isn't that fucked up?

[606] I got chills like in the weirdest way up my neck when you said that.

[607] Look at the napkin holder.

[608] It's fucking empty, man. Dude.

[609] Every table has a chair on it.

[610] Oh, so look at that picture.

[611] I can't believe that's yogurt.

[612] I fucking can't believe it.

[613] Oh, my God.

[614] So, like, yeah, so they close and lock the door while these guys finish up.

[615] But that cop in the office, he flips down that picture is he, like, screaming aloud by himself?

[616] I think everyone kind of went, oh, fuck, we really missed something.

[617] I think everyone kind of lost their mind.

[618] So good for this dude.

[619] You fucking finding it.

[620] It's pretty amazing.

[621] So, so clearly they had been sitting there at closing time.

[622] The girls were cleaning up around them.

[623] They let the last stragglers.

[624] day and at 11 o 'clock the no sale button was pressed on the register so that's when they think everything started.

[625] They asked for change they did something.

[626] They held a gun up to their faces probably and I was like giving all your money.

[627] That's true too.

[628] One of those.

[629] Change for the meter.

[630] They started off nice.

[631] What the fuck am I talking about?

[632] Can I get some quarter for the meter, it's 11 o 'clock at night, and I love yogurt.

[633] Oh, I still can't believe it's yogurt.

[634] I cannot believe this.

[635] This is crazy.

[636] I need change.

[637] So the defense lawyers believe that's the table where the killers sat.

[638] He was still in the door when the fire started, which means the last customer had never been let out.

[639] There was a rag on the counter of someone who had been wiping down the counter, and there was also an unopened can of Coke sitting near the register.

[640] Remember he ordered a can of Coke?

[641] the guy who they found.

[642] And the register had no sale at 11 o 'clock, and the money was stolen, so that's when that probably started.

[643] And the killers likely escaped out of the back door after they started the fire.

[644] So they had an hour to do all of this.

[645] Neither Darrell Croft or the older married couple were called to testify at the teen's trial, so it's not known exactly what they saw because there's no testimony.

[646] So who killed these girls?

[647] The book has a fucking detailed bananas theory.

[648] and it made me sick and not be able to sleep.

[649] So if you're a creep like me, go read it.

[650] If you don't like crime scene photos, there's not a single one in there, but it's like reads like, okay.

[651] Oh no, you talking about this before the picture came up, I was like, oh, I want to go home.

[652] There's like something about that that's just so fucking, it's like the thing that's there that people cannot see.

[653] You want to say like, how did they not say this?

[654] But like, I don't, would any of us?

[655] No. Like it doesn't necessarily mean anything unless you put all of the stuff together like there was two guys who were there at the end of it and like and they didn't let people you know it's just well also you have the shock and horror of a town like this and then four teenage girls being brutally murdered in a way that's just there's so much grief there's so much horror and loss that like I think details always get missed in that situation because it's everyone's just going.

[656] fix it, solve it right now, this has to be over.

[657] And everyone in town, and I think a lot of, I've read a lot of like, hometown murders that people wrote and they're like, this is when we stopped being able to go out.

[658] This is when the town wasn't the same anymore.

[659] And I remember being this age and it happening.

[660] And it's just, it's such a horrible.

[661] I mean, I've kind of followed it since it happened.

[662] And I remember seeing that recently and it's just one of those things that keeps unfolding and getting more and more gross and horrible.

[663] So, many people, think that the serial killer Ken McDuff was the one the men in the yogurt stores that night.

[664] He had kidnapped and killed Colleen Reed on December 29th, 1991 in Austin with an accomplice.

[665] That's 23 days after the yogurt shot murder.

[666] He had a history of multiple murders involving teenagers, but he was soon ruled out of the crime, and I literally couldn't find anything more on this than someone saying he flat out said, had I done it, I would tell you because I'd be proud of it and then they're like so it probably wasn't him goodbye like I feel like that's a trick I feel like that's a trick he would use yeah it's just and it's sound if you read about his and I was scared that maybe you were doing that murder and I was like stealing your whatever so much fear around me I know listen but this guy is a fucking monster animal and from the other crimes he's committed he is absolutely capable of the details that I read about in the book.

[667] It's not, this is a crime that is not for teenagers, you know, in my mind, it could be wrong, but it's the sadistic serial killer who got let out after 11 years as a known serial killer because there was overcrowding in Texas prisons.

[668] Well, yeah, let the serial killers go first because there are people who smoke potty legally.

[669] So you've got to, you've got to teach them.

[670] Yeah.

[671] You've got to teach them.

[672] It's so easy to have the answers when you, you have a pretty dress on and a great stool.

[673] Yeah, so this Ken McDuff motherfucker is crazy.

[674] Well, that's incredible also that, like, a suspect that big would be in town.

[675] I mean...

[676] In town.

[677] And he killed this other girl with an accomplice.

[678] So he works with two people, like the two of them regularly.

[679] It just, it fits.

[680] And he's a rapist, and he's just sadistic.

[681] So it doesn't...

[682] It adds up.

[683] But it's rumored that he had...

[684] admitted to, the day he was put to death, some people say he admitted to the yogurt shop murders.

[685] So, they think he did it.

[686] But what is jailhouse gossip?

[687] Like, no one can confirm it?

[688] Ken?

[689] Detectives are, I know.

[690] This guy's a fucking creeper, too.

[691] If you see his photo, you're just like, oh, I would never, like, let you in my store.

[692] I don't have it.

[693] Sorry.

[694] And I was trying so hard.

[695] There's like, this guy, Daryl, has a description of what the guy looked like and I was looking for photos of him and I was like, please have a point he knows please have a point he knows and lady didn't and I was like well I'm not showing that photo then because he could have punched himself in the nose it doesn't line up with what I want it to so I'm not going to even acknowledge it because I don't have to because that's the way our podcast that's the way so detectives are still working on finding more evidence in the murders but for now it remains an unsolved mystery and I have the photo of the girls if you want to see them I know, I'm sorry.

[696] That's Amy right there.

[697] That's Jennifer, her sister, Sarah, and that's Eliza.

[698] Sweet baby, angels.

[699] Isn't it horrify?

[700] They're sisters.

[701] We love sisters.

[702] I just, this one hurts me bad.

[703] I know, I'm sorry.

[704] No, I mean, I hope yours is funny.

[705] Now pull us up.

[706] No, it's just like, that's what everybody looked like at my high school.

[707] I know.

[708] We worked in, the yogurt shop we worked at is because the Knowles sisters work there.

[709] And so we, it was like, oh, do you want to work at the yoga shop?

[710] Susie Knowles can get you a job there.

[711] Well, that's what happened with these two girls.

[712] They were best friends and she's like, let me get you the job at the yogurt shop.

[713] And I wasn't going to post a photo, I mean, because it's so sad, but I'm like, that's not fair to them.

[714] You got to like acknowledge.

[715] We've got to power through it.

[716] Yeah.

[717] It's just, yeah, it could be all of us and any of us.

[718] I know.

[719] Yeah.

[720] So that's the yogurt shop murders.

[721] You're not as excited as you We're in the beginning, I can tell.

[722] See how fucked up these live shows are?

[723] That guy's leaving.

[724] He can't fucking take it.

[725] I'm sorry.

[726] I'm so sorry.

[727] You too?

[728] Oh, we're fucks.

[729] The whole fucking front row.

[730] This is bullshit.

[731] They're like, actually, we could just see George's underwear and it's freaking us out a little bit.

[732] So we're going to go stand in the back.

[733] We're fine with the murder.

[734] It's just that where are you getting those stripes?

[735] Yeah, those are clearly from four years ago.

[736] at least two years ago everyone's when I'll pick up a pair that's literally there's like weird shreds coming off with them where you're just like well first of all hey where did I buy these and secondly did I only pay 99 cents for them and why won't I throw them away everything you're saying and then I think about like friends who like buy expensive lingerie and then I pull out underwear and it's got the target you know when you rip the tag off and it has the thread still in it yeah I don't cut that out It's just like, all of my underwear have a little thread from the tag I pulled off on it, and that's just what I do.

[737] I want to know that people who wear, like, fancy lingerie around, so what kind of day do you have where that's, that's something that you can make work underneath until the night time.

[738] I don't.

[739] If I lived alone and when I did, oh, they would just be a mess.

[740] I would wear them.

[741] Like, I wear somewhat not.

[742] I have to throw them away.

[743] sometimes because I'm like, Vince is just going to think I'm this person.

[744] But I totally am that person.

[745] You just wear his seven -year -old underwear.

[746] I don't know.

[747] I mean, sometimes it feels like a victory to have seven -year -old underwear.

[748] Because you're just like, you pick it up, and then you're just like, oh, my God.

[749] Remember when you had fucking purple hair or whatever?

[750] Yeah.

[751] Oh, very good memories in these.

[752] Moving on.

[753] That was a sidebar.

[754] Yeah, underwear sidebar.

[755] Well, because we're in Austin I'm going to do the servant girl Annihilator.

[756] Yeah.

[757] It's the one that, listen, if you Google Austin serial killer, that's what comes up.

[758] It's like the first seven results.

[759] And this will lighten the mood a little, I feel like.

[760] Would you say?

[761] I think this will light in the mood a little bit too.

[762] Yes, for sure.

[763] Yeah.

[764] Vintage murders, everyone's like, okay.

[765] Vintage, there's annihilation.

[766] It's what everybody likes.

[767] Yeah.

[768] All right.

[769] sometimes when I'm writing this and I'm under pressure because it's 505 and we have to be here at 6 because the show starts at 7.

[770] I emailed this to Vince at like 545 I was like can you print this for me?

[771] Do you find that you're more you let yourself be more flowery and interesting as you write your as you put it together?

[772] No, I started it like two weeks ago and I was like this is going to be so detailed and interesting and then I kept going back and be like I don't have as much stuff as I thought I did, and like, fuck, and, like, copying a past new shit.

[773] Oh, okay.

[774] No. Oh, because I get, well, my only point was just, I do stuff like, the year of 1885 was a difficult one for Austin, Texas.

[775] Now that guy leaves.

[776] It's fine, it's fine, it's fine.

[777] He was just here with this girlfriend anyway.

[778] Never been into it.

[779] Now she has to watch football.

[780] It's a trade -off.

[781] thing happens a lot.

[782] Or wrestling, maybe.

[783] Yeah, maybe some wrestling.

[784] Maybe professional wrestling.

[785] Okay.

[786] In 1895, here in your beautiful town, there was an unprecedented axe murder crime spree that had the entire city in a panic.

[787] By the end of the year, there was a citywide curfew.

[788] Strangers were forced to identify themselves or be run out of town.

[789] Georgia!

[790] You're just like, it's good.

[791] Karen, my middle name's Lynn?

[792] No, ow, out, out.

[793] We don't know you.

[794] Citizens formed a vigilance committee to patrol the streets at night.

[795] Downtown saloons were being forced to close at midnight.

[796] What?

[797] Insanity.

[798] A horror.

[799] It said saloons and other raucous businesses.

[800] What's that, you guys?

[801] Yeah.

[802] It's like...

[803] Whorehouse.

[804] We're talking about horse up.

[805] I mean, sex worker house.

[806] Sex Workers' apartment building.

[807] At one point, the city hired Pinkerton detectives to come and try to find this man, but they couldn't do it.

[808] If the Pinkerton people can't find it, you'd back.

[809] If the Pinkertons can't find it?

[810] 400 men were arrested.

[811] No one was ever officially charged for all the crimes.

[812] To this day, no one knows for sure who this servant girl annihilator was.

[813] So it all started on the night of December 30th, 1884.

[814] at 901 West Pecan Street or Pecan.

[815] I don't know how you guys do it.

[816] Pecan?

[817] Pecan.

[818] Pecan.

[819] Pecan?

[820] Pecan.

[821] Pecan?

[822] It's actually, it's an almond.

[823] Oh, Almond Street.

[824] Yeah.

[825] Sorry, I'm from California.

[826] A 901 West Picran Street.

[827] A 25 -year -old woman named Molly Smith, who was working in that household as a cook, was attacked with an axe while she slept.

[828] Then the intruder dragged her unconscious body out of the house into the backyard, raped her, and then murdered her in the backyard.

[829] Why?

[830] I mean, I, why to a lot of that?

[831] No, just, yeah, philosophically and emotionally.

[832] Yeah, yeah.

[833] Okay.

[834] And then also just stay inside.

[835] Like, why did you move the body?

[836] Yeah, just stay inside.

[837] That was my main why, but that sounds shitty.

[838] Is that the main wine?

[839] Yeah.

[840] I actually really wanted to, uh, but it turns out I had to take a shower.

[841] I wanted to do a thing where I looked at what the full, when the full moons were because there's a, there's a lot of theories about that part of it.

[842] When this gets really bad and this axe murderer in your town repeatedly kills a ton of people, everybody goes nuts with the theories and it's kind of awesome.

[843] Okay, so we'll get to it a little bit.

[844] So Molly was the first victim five months later on May 7, 1885, at 302 East Cypress Street.

[845] Dr. Lucian B. Johnson has employed a cook name Eliza Shelley.

[846] Eliza is a 30 -year -old mother of two young children, one is six years old, named Georgia.

[847] Oh, my God.

[848] And one is six months old.

[849] Eliza's husband is in prison, and she lives in Dr. Johnson's home, working for them with her children.

[850] And she is described later as an excellent woman.

[851] On the night of May 7th, an intruder breaks in and attacks Eliza as she sleeps, murdering her with an axe.

[852] So two weeks later, on May 23rd, at 302 East Lyndon Street in the home of Sophia Whitman.

[853] So basically, Sophia had her house up in the front, and then there were apartments in the back.

[854] and back there a widow named Irene Cross lived with her son Washington and her nine -year -old nephew Douglas.

[855] And...

[856] Do you think Douglas Washington?

[857] No, Washington was the other son's name.

[858] It's okay.

[859] We've got to be able to talk about stuff like this.

[860] So that night, Sam and Truder breaks into Irene's apartment, murders her in bed with a knife.

[861] her son Washington, who was adult, I think he was 24, was gone.

[862] He was out for the night.

[863] Douglas, the nine -year -old nephew, is one of the only real eyewitnesses of the servant girl annihilator.

[864] And when he talked to the police, he described the police to the police.

[865] The person he saw was, quote, a big, chunky negro man who was barefooted with his pants rolled up.

[866] What?

[867] So, three months go by.

[868] Now we're at 300 East Cedar Street, and it's the home of a man named Valentine Weed.

[869] It's all one wants for Valentine.

[870] I mean, only great things are happening in that house with Valentine Weed.

[871] She's so pissed.

[872] A block, so this is, and this house is exactly a block north of where Eliza Kelly was murdered.

[873] So a woman named Rebecca Ramey, who was a 50 -year -old widowed mother of three, got her job as a domestic servant for the weed family.

[874] She lived on the property with her 11 -year -old daughter, Mary.

[875] And Rebecca actually came from a very prominent Austin family.

[876] Her brother, Edward Carrington, ran the Carrington grocery store, which was one of the first black -owned businesses in Austin.

[877] And she also had another brother who ran the nearby blacksmith shop.

[878] I couldn't drag and drop this picture to give it to Stephen to put in our thing.

[879] Oh, I bet I have a picture, too.

[880] You can throw up really whatever you have.

[881] Oh, look, there's your town.

[882] Remember when it was just a grid?

[883] Where are we?

[884] It was so easy to ride your bike around.

[885] With your big beard or whatever.

[886] Well, but there was a picture of Rebecca's family, and they all had these amazing, like, you know, like the Coke model lady.

[887] They all had like those tiny waist high neck dresses with a big hat now.

[888] Super like, you know, don't fuck with me. It was awesome.

[889] Don't fuck with me. I'm about to faint from my organ to be fucking smash.

[890] Seriously, please don't fuck with me because I will pass out.

[891] Okay, so she she is when she is widowed, she has to start working for herself so she gets this job and she works for the weeds.

[892] So dumb.

[893] I have a horrible pun, but I'm not going to...

[894] Do it, do it.

[895] An intruder breaks into her bedroom window, beats her until she's unconscious, then goes into 11 -year -old Mary's room, drags her out into the backyard, rapes her, and murders her with a fucking axe.

[896] All right.

[897] Fuck.

[898] So this is when the rumors begin.

[899] Because people start talking about this must be a supernatural being.

[900] Because everyone's saying that the nights, these attacks occur, no dogs bark.

[901] So there are dogs in the next -door neighbor's yards.

[902] When he pulls people out into those yards, no dogs are barking.

[903] And they can't figure out why.

[904] You can't figure out why.

[905] You gave a mistake.

[906] Oh.

[907] For a mistake.

[908] Well, hold on.

[909] I should just solve the motherfucking crime.

[910] Well, good night, everybody.

[911] Thanks so much.

[912] I mean, you guys have seen cartoons, right?

[913] Where they're like, try to sneak in, and they're just like, there's a T -bone, you know?

[914] A steak, and then the dog eats it and pulls out a cat skeleton for, I mean, fish skeleton, forget it.

[915] All right.

[916] Okay.

[917] So among those, because also there was many nights, it was either a full moon or there was just a lot of moonlight.

[918] So people don't understand how this person is getting away with it.

[919] A lot of people think he might be invisible.

[920] There's an invisibility factor to it.

[921] Look, I'm at, here he is now.

[922] Nothing.

[923] Moving on.

[924] Why is every page upside down?

[925] I don't know.

[926] It's because it makes sense.

[927] A month later on the night of, is that right?

[928] Yes.

[929] Yes, his three months went by.

[930] So a month later, and this is also that thing, They're spaced out in this really interesting way where he, like, has a bunch of murders then rests for three months and has a classic serial killer.

[931] On the night of September 28th at the residence of William B. Dunham's house.

[932] It's at 2408, Guadalupe Street.

[933] Do you live there?

[934] Guadalupe?

[935] I'm not talking to you anymore.

[936] So...

[937] Man. 25...

[938] I was nervous about Texas.

[939] Oh, this is nothing.

[940] that we've had what we had before.

[941] So in this house, in the back, there's a cabin in the back of the house where 25 -year -old Orange Washington and his girlfriend, 20 -year -old Gracie Vance, are sleeping, and the intruder once again breaks in and he murders Orange in his sleep and then drags Gracie into the backyard, rapes her, and murders her.

[942] Three months later, Christmas Eve, a a 203 Water Street.

[943] It's the home of Moses Hancock.

[944] So 41 -year -old Susan Hancock, who is the mother of two girls, it's Christmas Eve.

[945] They're out at a Christmas party, and she is asleep in one of their rooms.

[946] It's not a happy marriage.

[947] Moses is asleep in the other room.

[948] Let's not talk about it.

[949] It's none of our business.

[950] So an intruder breaks into the house, into the room, grabs her, drags her into the backyard.

[951] What the fuck is up with that?

[952] Right?

[953] He wants to be outside.

[954] Creepy.

[955] He wants to be under the moon like a fucking werewolf, which brings us back to the supernatural element of trying to introduce him to this podcast.

[956] In two months, we're going to be all werewolves.

[957] I can't wait.

[958] And no one ever listened again.

[959] Okay, so her husband, Moses, is sleeping the other room.

[960] He wakes up because he hears a noise, goes outside.

[961] There's a man murdering his wife in the backyard.

[962] He tries to attack the man. The man turns around, starts hitting him with the axe, and then runs away.

[963] So he's very badly injured.

[964] Four days later, Mrs. Hancock dies from her injuries.

[965] So then when he recovers, Mr. Hancock is arrested for the murder of his wife.

[966] He got a fucking hatchet in the face.

[967] Yeah, but anyone can do that.

[968] His daughters both come to his defense.

[969] They say he's never been.

[970] He's a lovely friend.

[971] He's never been bad to any of us, but a family of Susan Hancock attests that Moses was a vicious drunk and that Susan was about to leave him.

[972] And later they find this letter that she wrote to him but never gave to him in her belongings that read, Dear husband, I've lived with you for 18 years and have always tried to make you a good wife and help you all I could.

[973] I've loved you and followed you day and night.

[974] You won't quit whiskey and I am so nervous, I can't stand it.

[975] You know, it almost kills me for you to drink.

[976] and Lena is almost crazy and will lose her mind.

[977] She fucking puts it on her daughter.

[978] Lena is a nut.

[979] And it's your fault.

[980] If I was to do anything to disgrace you and our children, you would leave me. You would have quit me long ago.

[981] Which is a good point.

[982] And then she says, take care of yourself.

[983] Write me at Waco.

[984] I will answer every letter.

[985] Your wife until death, Sue Hancock.

[986] But then she doesn't leave him.

[987] She stays.

[988] Oh, honey.

[989] So everyone's like, oh how convenient that now your wife has been murdered in the backyard um but moses hancock is never convicted uh for the murder of his wife on the very same night christmas eve um at 302 hickory street eula phillips who is a 17 year old wife and mother of one what the fuck oh want to hear about it she was she got married off in an arranged marriage when she was no 14 and then had a baby a year later and so strangely enough it turned out she wasn't that happy in the marriage because she had to marry a guy that was, I think he was 21 when she was 14 I mean it doesn't matter what age, it's correct, sucks yeah yeah it does matter a little bit that's right you're right we've gone into an area where when you're 14 you probably have a retainer and you won't stop talking about Skittles and you shouldn't have your own baby.

[990] Uh -huh.

[991] Maybe.

[992] Some do it and some do it great.

[993] So she had actually already taken the baby and left her husband, James, because he was also a huge drinker.

[994] What's going on, Austin?

[995] That's all anyone did in the 1800s.

[996] And still do.

[997] Rock on.

[998] than single sad tear for me not being able to.

[999] I had all mine already.

[1000] Not me. Barf's red wine.

[1001] You pull out a drink from down here.

[1002] Okay, so she left him, and while she was gone, she ended up having an affair with a wealthy, well -connected man named John Dickinson.

[1003] Got it, girl.

[1004] But then James...

[1005] That's right.

[1006] but then James got a job he stopped drinking got his whole act together and he went and found her and he was like please take me back I want to make this work are you wealthy yet yeah and she's like well I'm 17 so okay yeah so she goes back but then this night on this night of Christmas Eve she had snuck out of the house and she had gone to one of the basically the 1800s version of a no -tell motel, and they didn't, no one knows who she was going there to meet, but she went there, asked for a room, and the person that ran it said, no rooms tonight, and so she went back home, and within an hour she was dead.

[1007] She was attacked with an axe while she was sleeping.

[1008] She was dragged into the backyard.

[1009] She was raped and murdered.

[1010] Her husband heard her being attacked, runs outside.

[1011] He's also attacked, and he's very badly wound up.

[1012] wounded, but he is arrested, tried, and convicted for her murder.

[1013] Wow.

[1014] Do we think he did it?

[1015] It do.

[1016] Okay.

[1017] He, the prosecution painted him as a violent, jealous drunk.

[1018] Um, but eventually the case is overturned because the, uh, his lawyer, uh, argues that he never knew about her affair.

[1019] So how could he be jealous?

[1020] Hey.

[1021] All right.

[1022] Wrap that up.

[1023] Nice little easy, peasy, you old drunk.

[1024] Okay.

[1025] So here's a couple things, a couple interesting trivia facts.

[1026] All of the victims that were left behind, that their husbands didn't come upon them, they were all posed in the same manner.

[1027] I could not find what that manner was on the internet.

[1028] Maybe someone knows.

[1029] I like to picture it was kind of a beachy thing like this, but that's more of a defense mechanism because this is fucking horrifying.

[1030] This is worse.

[1031] Six of the murdered women had a sharp object inserted into their ear.

[1032] Ear!

[1033] The worst.

[1034] Oh, ear.

[1035] The worst.

[1036] Have you like...

[1037] Yeah.

[1038] It's not the same thing as having yourself with a cute tip, Georgia.

[1039] Just don't even say it out loud.

[1040] But it's so bad that that's as bad as you want to imagine it being.

[1041] That's how bad that is.

[1042] Yeah, that's how I can even go too.

[1043] Here's my favorite at several of the crime scenes bloody footprints were found and the right foot was missing a left toe.

[1044] Ooh.

[1045] No, that doesn't work.

[1046] The right foot was missing a big toe.

[1047] Shut the fuck up.

[1048] Oh my God.

[1049] Perfectionism with the words and the details.

[1050] I didn't catch it.

[1051] I was like, uh -huh.

[1052] It's right there.

[1053] I wrote it right there on the page.

[1054] Do do, do.

[1055] Oh, I'm missing a left.

[1056] I can do it whenever I want, even 20 minutes before.

[1057] Left toe, send, print, record forever.

[1058] If you guys hadn't made a collective Austin -based groan, we would have been like, great, no left -toe.

[1059] Sounds good.

[1060] If you're new to the podcast, this is basically what it's like.

[1061] What happened just now of someone saying something wrong, the other one not knowing it, and then moving on.

[1062] It's like living Twitter.

[1063] But the best kind.

[1064] Yeah.

[1065] Okay.

[1066] There were lots of quote -unquote eyewitnesses during this murder spree.

[1067] So the killer was variously reported to have been a white or dark complexioned or yellow man. Pick one.

[1068] Wearing lamp black to conceal his actual skin color.

[1069] Which, because there were so many lamps around.

[1070] They were just like, did it do?

[1071] So many murders.

[1072] He was also described as a man wearing a Mother Hubbard -style dress.

[1073] Yikes.

[1074] So much worse.

[1075] Yes.

[1076] This is your kind of story.

[1077] Is Mother Hubbard?

[1078] Now that's Mother Goose is the one with all the kids underneath.

[1079] He's like, I'm an axe murder, and I have children under my dress.

[1080] Oh, no. How fucked up is that?

[1081] They're into it.

[1082] They're into murder, too.

[1083] They all come out and they're like, They love murder.

[1084] Fuck.

[1085] He was also described as being a man wearing a slouch hat.

[1086] That's pretty hip.

[1087] I don't know what that is.

[1088] What if it's just a cat in the hat, hat?

[1089] That motherfucker, he's always up to no good.

[1090] It's just the cat in the hat.

[1091] Like, I did some murders in the 1800s.

[1092] No big deal.

[1093] Whoop, fishbowl.

[1094] Also, a man wearing a hat and a white rag that covered the lower part of his face.

[1095] That's the elephant man. Get it together.

[1096] Eyewitnesses.

[1097] There is also a story about a Malay cook.

[1098] I'm assuming that means Malaysian, but I'm not sure.

[1099] And it's fun to walk the line of this could be intensely offensive and racist.

[1100] But I found it on...

[1101] I think they would have corrected us.

[1102] There would have been a huge Malay response by now.

[1103] Malaysian.

[1104] Um, so the story was that there was a Malay cook calling himself Maurice.

[1105] And, uh, had to, had to, can't not.

[1106] Um, he had worked at the Pearl House in 1885, and he left sometime in January of 1886, which is exactly the time frame of these acts murders.

[1107] And, um, the last, uh, in the killing of Miss Hancock and Miss Yula Phillips, um, the former occurred on Christmas Eve that was just before the Malay departed and then that's when the murders ended.

[1108] Wow.

[1109] So they think he did it and they also think that he went, he got on a boat and he went to England and he became...

[1110] Jack the Rippet!

[1111] Shut up!

[1112] Don't you love it?

[1113] I love it.

[1114] The Malay that you never saw coming is actually the star of the show?

[1115] Oh my God.

[1116] Just a low -key Malay named Maurice that's like, guess fucking what?

[1117] My name's not Jack.

[1118] But people love to theorize.

[1119] Don't we?

[1120] Especially when we don't know anything that's real.

[1121] Okay.

[1122] I also introduced the idea that the servant girl annihilator could also be the Axeman of New Orleans.

[1123] Yeah.

[1124] Remember that?

[1125] That was my very bold and brave theory that I pulled off of Wikipedia.

[1126] because he was in he was doing it in 1914 1916 who knows all competing theories anything's possible here's the most interesting love it love it in February of 1886 at a saloon in East Austin a 19 year old cook named Nathan Elgin was verbally and then physically attacking a woman in a bar with such viciousness that it scared the rest of the patrons of the bar into silence.

[1127] Oh my God.

[1128] He then dragged her out of the bar and down the street to his sister's house and inside.

[1129] What?

[1130] Can you?

[1131] Oh my God.

[1132] Right?

[1133] So many questions.

[1134] Yeah.

[1135] Of how are you just sitting there?

[1136] Yeah.

[1137] Right.

[1138] And okay go on.

[1139] But also how scary was that guy that everyone's like, I've got two guns right now and I'm still too scared to go after you.

[1140] I'm made of guns.

[1141] It's what I do.

[1142] for a living.

[1143] I'm a cowboy in Austin, Texas.

[1144] You go ahead and take her.

[1145] That's fine.

[1146] So, the barkeeper and another man chase him, and somebody else goes and gets the sheriff, they all end up at this house.

[1147] And inside, he's attacking this woman, he's on her, he's got a knife, and they start to tussle with him.

[1148] He basically essentially brandishes the knife, and the sheriff shoots him dead.

[1149] I think I have a picture of that sheriff if you want to skip ahead.

[1150] It's pretty epic.

[1151] Okay.

[1152] Is that him?

[1153] No. It's not.

[1154] There he is.

[1155] Oh, shit.

[1156] We saw him walking down the street today.

[1157] Remember?

[1158] Now he roast coffee beans for a living, but he used to be the sheriff.

[1159] Wow.

[1160] I love him so much.

[1161] The Austin Vampire.

[1162] The hip vampire that's been alive for 10 ,000 years.

[1163] Just doing right by everybody.

[1164] Anyhow, here's the thing.

[1165] He shoots him.

[1166] I had his name on here somewhere.

[1167] It's long gone.

[1168] The sheriff shoots this guy.

[1169] And then, when they take off his shoe...

[1170] No. No big toe on his right foot.

[1171] Motherfuckers.

[1172] It's totally him.

[1173] Well, they don't know and they couldn't prove it because the guy was dead.

[1174] but there were no more axe murders after that day.

[1175] Poor Malaysian guys, like, that kind of drove me out of Austin.

[1176] I really wanted to stay here.

[1177] I never killed anyone.

[1178] And this guy, he's like beating people in public, Maurice.

[1179] Maurice is like, it's freezing in London.

[1180] What the fuck you guys?

[1181] I was a really good cook.

[1182] Yeah.

[1183] It's rude.

[1184] Wow.

[1185] Yeah.

[1186] Dude.

[1187] Yeah.

[1188] That's it.

[1189] I think we're, yeah.

[1190] Yeah, you guys, we don't have time to do a hometown murder, and we're so sorry.

[1191] You're not allowed to.

[1192] And I'm so bum because I know from Twitter that we have a crime scene investigator on the fucking office.

[1193] I'm so in the office.

[1194] Can we bring the house lights up for one second just so we can look at a crime scene investigator in real life?

[1195] Can we turn them up and see her?

[1196] Just slightly, slightly.

[1197] And then don't stand up if you're not a crime scene investigator.

[1198] She's wearing a toxic masculinity shirt.

[1199] I bet she can't wear that to work.

[1200] I almost in school.

[1201] I'm like, can I just ask you a quick question?

[1202] Don't answer for her.

[1203] Do you steal crime scene tape and, like, take it to your home like we do post -it notes?

[1204] Do you just read?

[1205] No. She's not talking to me. We're very excited.

[1206] You're here.

[1207] Thank you for sending us that message.

[1208] It's always very exciting when actual professionals are like, we don't hate what you're doing.

[1209] It's very fun.

[1210] We're going to be back here a lot, I feel like.

[1211] We really love Austin.

[1212] Texas.

[1213] How can we not?

[1214] We could do the rest of our shows here, and we'd be fine.

[1215] It would be very cool.

[1216] And you guys are awesome.

[1217] And our numbers are so bafflingly high in Texas that all the people that work in Farrell are like, are one of you from Texas?

[1218] Like, why?

[1219] And we don't know, but we love you for it.

[1220] Yeah.