S1: Bonus Ep 3 - Parole

[0] I'm John Walsack, host of the new podcast, Missing in Arizona.

[1] And I'm Robert Fisher, one of the most wanted men in the world.

[2] We cloned his voice using AI.

[3] In 2001, police say I killed my family and rigged my house to explode.

[4] Before escaping into the wilderness.

[5] Police believe he is alive and hiding somewhere.

[6] Join me. I'm going down in the cave.

[7] As I track down clues.

[8] I'm going to call the police and have you removed.

[9] Hunting.

[10] One of the most dangerous fugitives in the world.

[11] Robert Fisher.

[12] Do you recognize my voice?

[13] Listen to missing in Arizona every Wednesday.

[14] on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your favorite shows.

[15] The podium is back with fresh angles and deep dives into Olympic and Paralympic stories you know, and those you'll be hard -pressed to forget.

[16] I did something in 88 that hasn't been beaten.

[17] Oh, gosh, the U .S. Olympic trials is the hardest and most competitive meat in the world.

[18] We are athletes who are going out there, smashing into each other, full force.

[19] Listen to the podium on the IHeart app or your favorite podcast, weekly and every day during the Games to hear the Olympics like you've never quite heard them before.

[20] In 2020, in a small California mountain town, five women disappeared.

[21] I found out what happened to all of them, except one, a woman known as Dia, whose estate is worth millions of dollars.

[22] I'm Lucy Sheriff.

[23] Over the past four years, I've spoken with Dia's family and friends, and I've discovered that everyone has a different version of events.

[24] hear the story on where's dear listen on the iHeart radio app apple podcasts or wherever you listen to podcasts i'm andrea gunning and this is betrayal bonus episode three parole this is a conversation jenn and i recorded on thursday july 28th i wanted us get on a call because like as of i think about an hour ago Spencer was released from prison.

[25] Yeah.

[26] It's crazy because there were moments during all of this where he was going to get parole.

[27] And then a year ago, he got his parole revoked after the victim wrote a letter to the parole board.

[28] And then they granted him parole.

[29] And he was supposed to get out in June.

[30] And then they denied him transitional housing.

[31] And now all of a sudden, he is asked.

[32] And so how much time did he actually do behind bars?

[33] He got charged on six counts of sexual assault of a student.

[34] He was sentenced for each of those counts to 20 years, but only to serve five of those years in prison.

[35] And he was serving all six counts at the same time concurrently.

[36] and he got out in four years and one month.

[37] It feels like a long time ago that the police came and arrested him from our house.

[38] And now he's walking out of those prison walls.

[39] It's almost like a lifetime ago.

[40] I'm a different person now.

[41] I've just gone through a lot and I think I'm stronger for it.

[42] Oh, there's no question.

[43] I mean, we've talked a lot about the person you were when that happened in 2018 and the person that you are now and you're still Jen, but there's been so much more to your foundation and strength that you've accumulated over the last four years.

[44] But when did you find out?

[45] So it's weird.

[46] I thought the state was going to give me 72 hours notice before he got out.

[47] Instead, Rachel called me last week and said, I got a message that he was getting out.

[48] So that's how I found out.

[49] I think she knew how important it was to me to know as well.

[50] So it's one of those things where whoever had gotten the information first would have called the other.

[51] She and I stay in touch.

[52] We support each other.

[53] How was she doing with the news?

[54] Was it tough?

[55] Yeah, I think it's tough for her right now.

[56] She's still feeling nervousness, fear, and, you know, just the unknown.

[57] You know, when someone who has sexually assaulted you gets out of prison, I can imagine makes it feel more real.

[58] I saw her for ice cream a few days later.

[59] Oh, no way.

[60] Yeah, we had a really nice time.

[61] We made each other laugh.

[62] We supported one another.

[63] you know, it just helps to know you're not alone out there.

[64] Do you ever mentally dress rehearsed running into him and what you would potentially say?

[65] Oh yeah, it's my Charlotte moment from Sex and the City when she runs into Mr. Big.

[66] You know, you've been playing that in your head.

[67] When I think about seeing him face to face, that's when I get scared.

[68] And I don't know what I would say anymore because I am.

[69] different now or I see it differently.

[70] I may be able to have a conversation with him, but it's going to come from a different place now.

[71] I don't know what that is yet, but it'll probably happen one day, and I'll figure it out before then.

[72] Yeah.

[73] You know, what do you say or what do you ask someone that has spent almost his entire life lying and manipulating?

[74] Yeah.

[75] Gosh, whoever picked him up and is allowing him to live in their home, I pray keeps their eyes open for the safety of other people, physically and mentally and emotionally.

[76] Yeah.

[77] There's still going to be people in his life that love him and care for him.

[78] I just hope now they're equipped with all the information so that they can hold him accountable for getting help.

[79] Because this issue that he has is not something that can just go away in six months.

[80] This is going to take, from what I understand, intensive, intensive therapy and work to, to, I have, I, I don't know if you ever overcome it.

[81] Just, what do you call it?

[82] Live a normal life.

[83] I always go back to November of 2019.

[84] And I think about what that gem would be like.

[85] If we hadn't gone through everything, if you hadn't put in the work, we hadn't gone through this process.

[86] That Jen may still be here today, but she is not.

[87] Nope.

[88] And I just know how much people have been impacted.

[89] I see emails of people who are.

[90] getting out of relationships or trying to fix their toxic work environment, just because they've heard you and are empowered.

[91] You've empowered people.

[92] And I'm just so proud of you.

[93] You have no idea.

[94] Oh, thank you, friend.

[95] If you'd like to reach out to the betrayal team, email us at betrayal pod at gmail .com.

[96] That's betrayal p .od at gmail .com.

[97] I'm John Walsack, host of the new podcast Missing in Arizona.

[98] And I'm Robert Fisher.

[99] One of the most wanted men in the world.

[100] We cloned his voice using AI.

[101] In 2001, Police say I killed my family and rigged my house to explode.

[102] Before escaping into the wilderness.

[103] Police believe he is alive and hiding somewhere.

[104] Join me. I'm going down in the cave.

[105] As I track down clues.

[106] I'm going to call the police and have you removed.

[107] Hunting.

[108] One of the most dangerous fugitives in the world.

[109] Robert Fisher.

[110] Do you recognize my voice?

[111] Listen to missing in Arizona every Wednesday on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your favorite shows.

[112] The podium is back with fresh angles and deep dives into Olympic and Paralympic stories you know, and those you'll be hard -pressed to forget.

[113] I did something in 88 that hasn't been beaten.

[114] Gosh, the U .S. only of the trials is the hardest and most competitive meat in the world.

[115] We are athletes who are going out there, smashing into each other, full force.

[116] Listen to The Podium on the IHeart app or your favorite podcast platform weekly and every day during the games to hear the Olympics like you've never quite heard them before.

[117] In 2020, in a small California mountain town, five women disappeared.

[118] I found out what happened to all of them, except one, a woman known as Dia, whose estate is worth millions of dollars.

[119] I'm Lucy Sheriff.

[120] Over the past four years, I've spoken with Dia's family and friends, and I've discovered that everyone has a different version of events.

[121] Hear the story on Where's Deer?

[122] Listen on the IHeart Radio app.

[123] podcasts or wherever you listen to podcasts.