87 - Hither And Yon

[0] This is exactly right.

[1] Hey, this is exciting.

[2] An all -new season of only murders in the building is coming to Hulu on August 27th.

[3] Steve Martin, Martin Short, and Selena Gomez are back as your favorite podcaster, detectives.

[4] But there's a mystery hanging over everyone.

[5] Who killed Saz?

[6] And were they really after Charles?

[7] Why would someone want to kill Charles?

[8] This season, murder hits close to home.

[9] With a threat against one of their own, the stakes are higher than ever.

[10] Plus, the gang is going to Hollywood to turn their podcast into a major movie.

[11] Amid the glitz and glamour of Los Angeles, more mysteries and twists arise.

[12] Who knows what will happen once the cameras start to roll?

[13] Get ready for the stariest season yet with Merrill Streep, Zach Alfinacus, Eugene Levy, Eva Longoria, Melissa McCarthy, DeVine, Joy Randolph, Molly Shannon, and more.

[14] Only Murders in the Building premieres August 27th, streaming only on Hulu.

[15] Goodbye.

[16] Welcome to my favorite murder, a true crime podcast for people.

[17] who are into facts and percentages.

[18] That in itself is not a fact.

[19] That's right.

[20] That's Karen Kildegara.

[21] That's Georgia Hardstock.

[22] I'm welcome.

[23] And we're finally back in my apartment.

[24] Yeah, this is quite an adjustment.

[25] I know.

[26] I'm like, I've been really looking forward to this to just be like in our element.

[27] I was going to clean up the podcast loft.

[28] What happened?

[29] I mean, all you to do is look at it to know what happened.

[30] It's like a fucking bomb went off in there.

[31] An Australian gift bomb?

[32] Australian gift bomb.

[33] A we watch wrestling fucking merch bomb.

[34] Oh shit.

[35] There's empty fucking sparklets bottles up there.

[36] I always forget that there's two podcasts being being beamed out of this apartment.

[37] Yeah.

[38] So there's a lot.

[39] There's a lot going on, not just us.

[40] Yeah.

[41] And both Vince and I like are the keepers of the things.

[42] So it's just, and you know, there's also cat barf.

[43] I'm going to be honest right now.

[44] Okay.

[45] Yeah, good.

[46] I welcome that honesty.

[47] Yeah.

[48] I don't have a cat barfacquel in my house at the moment although I did open the door to a new my dog walker went on vacation and she told me she had a replacement but she didn't say the replacement was automatically coming she just gave me the number of the person I could call and so like 11 in the morning while I was wearing when I wear my black pajamas they become black with white hair pajamas and I was sitting there working on something and the doorbell rang and I was like what could possibly be happening right now.

[49] Isn't that the worst feeling when the doorbell rang?

[50] It's the worst.

[51] I sneak to the door quietly and look out the thing, people and then I'm like, uh -uh.

[52] Yeah, but like, I'm like front door on the sidewalk.

[53] Right.

[54] So it's whoever.

[55] And a lot of times it's people who are shilling for a church or real estate agency.

[56] Hey, are you thinking about selling your house?

[57] Hey, I think you should sell this piece of shit house and get out from, get out from underwater.

[58] um it's usually that one time it was the bug man did i tell you about that when i opened the door and the guy goes hey i just wanted to introduce myself um and then he stood back a little bit and goes the bug man and i just shut the door because he was like he started to say my neighbors used him to like perks and exterminate or something but he he was really young and good looking and he had like a uniform on and i was just like get out of here don't try to charm me you're gonna bug charm me like no never never um so this time was weird because it was too beautiful northern european looking people with accents oh my god so i was like and george immediately goes out because they have the the door open this is a boring story but long and short of it is i met the dog walker that i had no intention of calling because i didn't want to talk to a new person or have to make some kind of a new connection now i was going to be like fine i'll do it myself yeah and then they she she just showed up now every day to like it is her passion and you can't tell her like leave me alone no she's already they've already been in they've seen the worst of the worst it's a thing where you like know that someone's counting on the money that you're paying them yeah i've been in that position where you're going to show up no matter what where you i thought that i was getting this much money this week from this job that i thought i had and then someone tells you you're not and you're so broke that you're like well now i thought i could cover rent and i can't like that's happened to me and I burst into tears because I was like, you canceled on me and now I'm fucked.

[59] So what you went and did something?

[60] No, no, I never did it.

[61] But it's like, I don't, I wouldn't want to disappoint.

[62] I wouldn't want to do that to someone who's like, hi, I'm here.

[63] Like, I'm supposed to be.

[64] And you're like, no, actually, can take this week off.

[65] Yeah.

[66] I mean, I can't imagine anyone's paying rent with like dog walking.

[67] I don't know if that's a good plan.

[68] Although I have to say my dog walker makes bank because she has a bunch of dogs, aside from my too.

[69] and she does stuff like stays the night for a slightly higher rate that's where the money is yeah yeah well anyway so i didn't i didn't take away i didn't take away a rent well let her and her husband come in and take my dog that's good of you that's really good of you uh -huh a mitzvah it didn't feel great though because it was like i was hiring beautiful right i think they're danish people love to walk my pets while i sit home like a little pile of dirty laundry and write on my computer.

[70] Love it.

[71] Right.

[72] Can I do housekeeping?

[73] Sure.

[74] I bet we have a lot.

[75] Yeah.

[76] Really quickly, for the tour, we're going on this tour now.

[77] It started in Australia and who knows where.

[78] And who knows when.

[79] And who knows when and what.

[80] And how.

[81] And why.

[82] And why.

[83] And it could be, I mean, stay tuned.

[84] I mean.

[85] So the two that I want to mention, the, we have a late show in Detroit that's coming up on the 29th.

[86] Still tickets for the late show?

[87] Still tickets for the late show.

[88] Oh, nice.

[89] And then Toronto, on the 30th, there's still a couple tickets for that.

[90] And then, so if you go to my favoritemerder .com slash live, I'm not going to fucking say the dates.

[91] I'm going to tell, if you hear your city, go to my favorite murder .com slash live because nobody wants to fucking listen to this.

[92] San Diego, Anaheim, Minneapolis, Madison, Wisconsin, Tampa, Houston, Dallas, Louis, and Kansas City.

[93] if you've heard if I've called your name go to the fucking they all have tickets left yeah oh wow okay so I these people get so mad at us that it sells out but I know that's what I'm saying you're kind of really walking that line of like I can't imagine well we'll see you know what maybe you don't want to come that's okay there's the thing you don't have to come maybe have anxiety a lot of shit goes down I mean what we can guarantee you is an eventful you never know night you know what's cool about that is like I have an issue with going to any, maybe more so when I was younger, like any event alone, like just showing up anywhere alone freaked me out.

[94] I've seen a movie alone once like as an experiment because I was so scared and I'm written on my fucking ex -boyfriend with his girlfriend there.

[95] So like that's how great it went.

[96] What movie was it?

[97] It was there will be blood, which is like a movie you don't want to watch alone.

[98] Like you need to talk to someone about it after.

[99] Yeah, there's a lot.

[100] There's a lot.

[101] That was the only time I've ever gone to movie alone.

[102] That's how it went.

[103] You could hide behind because it's like a good movie with a good director.

[104] So you could be like, oh, I just had to see this film.

[105] Or I could be like, I was with my friend, but they got triggered and ran out.

[106] Yeah, that's right.

[107] I just ran.

[108] They hate milk.

[109] And milk shakes.

[110] And lots of things.

[111] So yeah, so people are always, people who we meet at the shows tell us that they came alone.

[112] Because it's such an event because so many people have anxiety and they're like, and it was incredible and I met awesome people.

[113] Yeah, that's true.

[114] So that to me is like the people who are scared of coming alone, like you're going to be sat next to someone who you're going to be best friends with.

[115] It's really true.

[116] Yeah.

[117] It's just everyone, we're all and then.

[118] Because everyone's the same pretty much.

[119] Oh my God.

[120] Same, has the same feel of person.

[121] It's hilarious to me. And also when people tell us they're alone when they come to meet us at the meet and greet, I always go, there'll be somebody that's alone and they'll be like, that girl over there's a lot.

[122] We always like yell over of like, go talk to her.

[123] And like, if you wear like a shirt that's like funny, that like relates to something murdery.

[124] Someone's going to come off you.

[125] Like, where did you get that?

[126] Be my best friend.

[127] Someone had a shirt on one of the meet and greets that said, the husband did it.

[128] Did I talk about this?

[129] And I bought us both.

[130] I bought us both.

[131] Yeah.

[132] Because that was the best shirt.

[133] And I wore to therapy just to be like, here's who I am.

[134] In your face.

[135] And then my therapist, this is how fucking sweet he is.

[136] He was like, oh, well, yeah, it's always the husband's fault.

[137] And I'm like, no, the husband murdered the wife.

[138] He just didn't get.

[139] Oh, he thought it meant like sighting.

[140] And I was like, no, no, no, no, no. And in fact, I bought a car this week.

[141] Oh, yeah.

[142] Yesterday, which was like exciting on a lot of levels and scary.

[143] And the car dealer was like a super normal dude.

[144] And we were like looking at the car and he opened the trunk.

[145] And Vince joked like, which I love that Vince said this.

[146] Oh, you can fit a few bodies in there.

[147] And then he points to the emergency latch and just goes, just make sure you disable that.

[148] Oh, my God.

[149] No. And it was like sold.

[150] That's a good sales.

[151] You're my guy.

[152] I bought the car from him.

[153] How old is he?

[154] He was, he definitely didn't listen to the podcast.

[155] Like, has ever, I tweeted it and people like, he must be like, no. It just was like a family man. Lots of people have good senses of humor.

[156] Yeah.

[157] And he was like 28 or so.

[158] That's hilarious.

[159] Yeah.

[160] I like that style.

[161] I do too.

[162] No. You're just going, like, you don't know if I'm going to be, I've had been locked in a trunk before in my life.

[163] but you're just fucking picking it up you know what it is it's if you've been locked in a truck before in your life the fact that you're making the joke first means you're okay with it which means he can do what he wants right and that it's actually additional relief that he would join in and not leave you hanging right or go oh my god what's wrong with you right it's just a classic like bullshit salesman personality it's why i like people like that and i hate myself for liking them because it's such an obvious like those smooth talkers are my favorite yeah and they're the they're the they're the most full of shit people who don't miss a beat right they don't react how thrilling yes exactly they go along with it it's like constant high -end improvising sure that makes you have to be smarter and quicker too but it also is like you're being heard it's exhausting it's thrilling we were talking about this the other day on the mini but I cannot get a sense of time or place oh because of being back I know that it's too long to complain about jet lives I'm still complaining about it because I'm still there.

[164] Well, it's not to just jetlock.

[165] It's just that it wasn't a vacation and we were constantly busy.

[166] And most people don't fly three times inside of their flight to and from home.

[167] No. No, the traveling that went on within the traveling was very intense.

[168] Studying.

[169] So much.

[170] When I went to write my murder for this week, it was not enjoyable because there were so many that we had to do for Australia.

[171] and so many that I researched for Australia and chose not to do for Australia because they were so intense there's some fucked up fucked up stories from down there I have like five that are half written that I was going to do from Australia yeah it's almost good though because now it feels like well we only have three in Detroit and Toronto how great is that that's a fucking walk in the park it's no big deal that's a cake walk in the park and we've never done Toronto never and we've gotten tons of suggestions since the beginning from Toronto.

[172] So, like, there's lots of choices.

[173] It doesn't have to be...

[174] There's something about Australian true crime that is very dark.

[175] It's like...

[176] Oh, my God, it is!

[177] For some reason, maybe this is judgment.

[178] It feels darker than regular.

[179] It feels like the only murders there are huge murders.

[180] Yes.

[181] There's no, like...

[182] They don't have guns, so it's not like there's drive -bys.

[183] No, it's like a guy that's got, like, picked up a handful of red clay and painted his...

[184] race red and then hidden the bushes to intentionally kill the innocence.

[185] Like it's a lot of that over and over.

[186] Or killed his family on the next level of family killing.

[187] Yes.

[188] What is that familiar side?

[189] Yeah.

[190] Yeah.

[191] I just picked the story that's the best to tell in terms of you're not going to fucking believe right.

[192] Right.

[193] Also, I've dipped into like ghost stories and shit.

[194] I've gone when I can't go directly to it, which is a thing that like, I know a lot of mariners are like, I'm a murderino have been since day one.

[195] This is my jam which is great but not everybody does it 24 -7 and like I personally can't do it so I have yeah I definitely have like murder fatigue right now because I just don't want I don't want to read about another axe that makes I just don't want it I can't get enough I still can't get enough like I had to was researching a murder and then ended up you know watching six others on YouTube which is like has the most fucked up ones and then I was like this isn't even what you're talking about this week.

[196] I have to like make myself stop watching it.

[197] Oh, I did the same thing where I kept, there's all kinds of, somebody tweeted this actually, because there was a BuzzFeed list that's like 16 of the most fucked up murders you've never heard of.

[198] Jesus.

[199] Which as someone tweeted us and all murdering us say, yeah, right?

[200] Like try me basically.

[201] And they were most of of ones that we've all heard.

[202] But I always, I read those.

[203] I go through and I'm like, of course I've heard it, heard it, heard it, heard it, heard it.

[204] And I feel like now I'm at that point of like, it's almost like a magic the gathering level murder nerd thing where I feel like I've had my hands in it for so long that I just am like just for a little while like I don't want to play this game anymore just for a little while and maybe it's just the traveling it'll get before we started this podcast I would have to take long breaks from murder stuff because I would get really depressed so the only thing that's kept me from that now because we've been doing it nonstop is this it's a job now but i fucking would get dark and deep and depressed and scared of the world yeah because it's it's scary it's scary it's definitely scary on a positive note self -care everybody uh stephen should we talk about oh yeah our new merch so we've designed a shirt um for steve on behalf of step it pays true be it.

[205] Stephen's a surprise.

[206] He doesn't know about this.

[207] He doesn't know.

[208] No idea.

[209] This has been in the works.

[210] We've been talking about it.

[211] We've been thinking about it.

[212] We've been talking and thinking about it.

[213] And then, um, so I ask the great Chris Fairbanks, who is my co -host on Do You Need a Ride?

[214] My other podcast.

[215] Um, and he's also a stand -up, a hilarious stand -up comics.

[216] So fucking funny.

[217] And a, but he's, what's funny, the most interesting thing, I think, is he's a brilliant, great.

[218] graphic artist.

[219] I had no idea until you were like, we should talk to Chris Fairbanks.

[220] Yeah.

[221] He fucking, do you need a ride cover?

[222] I have no idea.

[223] Is the most intricate, fucking awesome cover I've ever seen.

[224] There's a monster eating a freeway in it.

[225] And that's just one of the thing that's happening.

[226] It's just like, it's bananas.

[227] And when you told me that, I was like, oh, fuck yeah, it's on.

[228] Yeah.

[229] So I asked Chris to do a Stephen cut that out design.

[230] Oh my gosh.

[231] And he's done it for us.

[232] And this is it.

[233] showing Stephen right now look look here you describe it Stephen there's the swoop uh with my hair and it's a Stephen all in red like tracing along my hair as a silhouette and it says Stephen and then it finishes on the other side it says cut that and then it says my favorite murder on the mustache yeah it's basically Stephen's silhouette hair it's his hair silhouette his hair mustache eyebrow silhouette it's his facial hair silhouette with Steve But yet, Stephen cut that and my favorite murder in the hair, intertwined as the hair.

[234] And it should be up by the time, by the time you're hearing these words in your face, this should be up on my favorite murder shirts.

[235] Fucking idiot, georgia .orgia .orgia.

[236] Dot com.

[237] My favorite murder shirts .com.

[238] Stephen, how do you feel?

[239] Well, I can never change my hair.

[240] That's right.

[241] Also very honored that a fellow mustache brother.

[242] Oh, yeah.

[243] Chris Fairbanks.

[244] That's why it's so good.

[245] That's right.

[246] Oh, my gosh.

[247] It's so amazing.

[248] When you sent it to me, I was like, yes, yes, yes.

[249] It's so fucking good.

[250] It's really good.

[251] And what's cool is that it's subtle and people who know will know.

[252] Yeah, exactly.

[253] Well, like any other shirt, you have to know it.

[254] You have to know it.

[255] You have to know the show to have it makes sense.

[256] Yeah.

[257] Even like, it's the fun of it.

[258] It's great.

[259] So hopefully we'll have that on totes and fucking mugs and stickers and shirts.

[260] I'm all red.

[261] And it's not just from the weird face mask.

[262] Jackie made me try yesterday.

[263] He is very red right now.

[264] He is.

[265] He gets embarrassed.

[266] Oh, my God.

[267] Stephen was heralded and lauded at all, all through Australia.

[268] People lost their shit.

[269] He basically had a secondary meet and greet line where people would walk away from us and then walk over to Stephen's meet and greet.

[270] And they'd like, I have a present for Stephen.

[271] I need to go give this to Stephen and have him sign this.

[272] Yeah.

[273] A couple people are like, can Stephen be in this photo?

[274] And we made him do.

[275] Now Stephen has a signature pose.

[276] Yeah.

[277] Which is on one knee with his chin on his biss in front of us.

[278] Child 90s, like, star prom thing.

[279] Yeah, it's perfect.

[280] And now you have MFF merch.

[281] Oh, my God.

[282] That's official.

[283] Elvis doesn't even have MFM merch.

[284] And he's a cat.

[285] I don't know.

[286] That wouldn't.

[287] That doesn't equivate.

[288] I'm a cat.

[289] It's fine.

[290] Yeah.

[291] You're basically a cat.

[292] Yeah.

[293] And then the other thing, oh, can I shout out a fucking podcast that I've been listening to that I really love?

[294] Podcast Corner.

[295] Of course.

[296] It's called The Fall Line.

[297] It's a female investigative journalist who every season.

[298] is going to talk about marginalized crimes and marginalized communities in Georgia.

[299] Whoa.

[300] Because I think that's where she's from.

[301] So that's kind of what she's doing.

[302] She kicking off with the Atlantic Child Killer?

[303] No. She's like doing ones that we don't know about that are, have been like bungled.

[304] Oh, yeah.

[305] So this is the 1990, the first one's the 1990 disappearance of these twin sisters, Danette and Jeanette Millbrook.

[306] There were 15 year old African American girls on their way home.

[307] good girls, they weren't going to be, the typical not runaways, fucking disappeared.

[308] Oh, course quote, the runaways and never got looked into.

[309] And so this is actually like reopening the case and they're looking into it again now and it might get another one of those ones again in Georgia where it might get solved.

[310] Yeah, that's amazing.

[311] They tried to do runaways in the 90s.

[312] Fuck.

[313] Yeah.

[314] I mean, it was a poor neighborhood in Georgia and, you know, in Georgia, African American community.

[315] But like the girls.

[316] had seizure medication and didn't have it with them like you don't run away without your seizure medication you sure don't no and they were good girls and not that bad girls don't also good disappear right but that's part of the when it's the disenfranchised cultures the people the larger media or the larger interpretation is always they were asking for it some of the assumption is they did something and they deserved it and that's why it Right.

[317] And then there, because I think the people think that way so they can just break off from any kind of care, emotional responsibility.

[318] And it's like, not my problem.

[319] I don't have to be a best.

[320] Well, it won't happen any or anyone I love because, well, this is a really good one because she, um, she looks into all the possibilities, including like a couple serial killers in the, in the town, one of which sounds so fucking likely.

[321] Wow.

[322] And, uh, it's just a real, it's one of those, you know, female investigative journalism podcast.

[323] And, and, podcast that has a ton of fucking empathy so it's like you feel it too that's great so that's the that sounds amazing yeah the fall line fall line and i think there's a a go fund me campaign trying to raise money to help with um like either you know a um a reward for information or to fund you know something like that oh that's good yeah look into it um that makes me think that um our friend joe thorny I believe what's her last name was.

[324] Someone just tweeted at me. She's number one.

[325] I know.

[326] She's got the number one podcast right now with her podcast, Zellet, which is about cults.

[327] She was the hometown, the end of the live Sydney show, which went up last week.

[328] She was the hometown murder, which we originally brought up because she said she could moonwalk.

[329] And we knew it'd be a heavy episode, like, because of what we were talking about.

[330] So we were like, come up and moonwalk, by the way, they have a hometown.

[331] And she totally did.

[332] And she was charming as fuck.

[333] And she's like, I also have a podcast called Zellet.

[334] about cults and I looked at her Instagram and it was like oh my god I'm number 46 on that comedy she's also it's about cults but it's comedy which is like so up our alley I'm I'm number 46 on the iTunes comedy podcast and then I looked at I'm like oh my gosh she's number three right below us and now she's number one she's fucking number one girl go girl that's how it happened with us like yeah I messaged her on Instagram was like I bet I know how you fucking feel right now you better fucking enjoy this it's the coolest thing it's ever happened.

[335] That's so good.

[336] Yeah, I'm so happy for her.

[337] Yeah, she deserves it.

[338] That's so funny.

[339] And it was purely because she sent the perfectly, the concept of the tweet was, you guys might not feel like talking by the time you get to the end.

[340] Let me come up and moonwalk for you.

[341] And just the idea of that was so hilarious to me. She can't have imagined that we would have picked that because it's not what we do.

[342] No, it's just like a sidebar.

[343] But it was so funny.

[344] It was so funny.

[345] And she definitely moonwalked too.

[346] I mean, that's why people were following.

[347] She moonwalked in high heels.

[348] Oh, my God.

[349] It was crazy.

[350] It was great.

[351] It was great.

[352] Happy for her.

[353] Um, anything else?

[354] I haven't watched the confession tapes.

[355] I don't want to talk about it.

[356] I get literally 40 tweets a day saying watch it.

[357] Confession, false confessions are not my thing because they stress me out so much.

[358] It's so stressful.

[359] And I can't wrap my head around them, even though I understand the ins and outs.

[360] It's just so hard.

[361] I get so angry and stressed out that I can't watch that.

[362] But I am watching our Jessica Beale one.

[363] The sinner.

[364] The sinner.

[365] I'm on episode three.

[366] I'm really suddenly getting into it.

[367] Like the first episode I was like, meh, second, okay, third, I'm fucking there.

[368] Yeah.

[369] It's good.

[370] How about that dirty, dirty, Bill Pullman is the car?

[371] Oh, he's so sexy.

[372] Oh, he's dirty.

[373] Oh, he's dirty.

[374] Oh, he's a dirty little.

[375] He's a slut.

[376] He wants to be shamed into submission.

[377] I also love that woman that plays as Dominatrix or girlfriend or whoever that woman is.

[378] Yeah.

[379] He just looks like a normal woman.

[380] The second I see women like that on TV, I'm like, oh, my God, there's just someone normal on TV.

[381] They're letting someone not emaciated be on TV.

[382] Do you know what else I love about her character is that she works at a classy restaurant instead of like, because she looks like she'd work at a dive bar on the, you know, off the drag.

[383] Right.

[384] But it's like, nope, she works at a high -end restaurant.

[385] It's like, you're not.

[386] fucking making her this character that everyone thinks she is.

[387] No, she's like a self -possessed, self -actualized sex worker slash ex -girlfriend slash something else.

[388] It adds to the interest of like, yeah, this is how complex human beings actually are in real life.

[389] No matter what, and I think I'm, I think I'm really into it, but even if I'm not, the characters are really interesting.

[390] I think I'm really into it.

[391] Don't fight it.

[392] Just like it.

[393] No, I'm going to, I bought the, I bought the fucking season pass.

[394] I'm in.

[395] I'm going to get my money's working.

[396] It's great.

[397] It's really well acted.

[398] Yeah.

[399] I am watching something because, as I announced that I was just taking a light, a light axe break, um, there's a show called Toast of London.

[400] Don't make me spit this all over the way.

[401] You have, if you like, I'm imagining it right now.

[402] Do you, are, do you like peep show and shows like that?

[403] Oh, I love Peep Show.

[404] Oh, okay.

[405] This is Matt Berry, who, um.

[406] The bigger guy from Peep Show, right?

[407] No, no, no. He's not from Peep Show.

[408] But he just, it reminds me. of when you watch sometimes when I watch British comedy and it's so it's so intelligently funny that it makes me it like it makes me feel like screaming as I watch it as you don't because you have to be quiet the whole time because you're going to miss a fuck anything so you can't laugh out loud there's no laugh track yes you're just listening as hard as you can and they're so dry there's no like punchline and it's like saying everyone wants everyone to be this funny like we're doing it here why won't you allow people to do it there anyway it's called Toast of London he is like kind of a wash -up actor it's so hilarious from dark places yes Garth Morangy's dark place that's it yes okay I love him it's like a new series and it is please go watch the hilarious we just mentioned I think you have to go online probably right I think they're all on Netflix fuck dark places and peep show are two of the best shows Stephen we welcome to see if Garth Morangy's dark places is on Netflix just Just excellent.

[409] Also, there was a clip.

[410] We have to stop talking about this.

[411] But there's a scene from Matt Berry's sketch show where he goes and he's going to help this girl.

[412] She's carrying a big fish tank.

[413] Have you seen it?

[414] And they're walking and he's like, let me take that for you.

[415] He's being super fake sweet to her.

[416] And then she goes, he's like, oh, are you going off this?

[417] And she finally goes like, oh, my boyfriend's apartment's right over and he goes, fuck you and throws it down.

[418] And it's just to somebody did a super cut of all the times he does that.

[419] Oh, my God.

[420] And he's just throw, kick, he drop kicks a dog.

[421] The minute a girl says, a woman says, I have a boyfriend.

[422] My boyfriend.

[423] My boyfriend.

[424] Fuck you.

[425] It's so funny.

[426] And the fish, the fish tank had fish in it and he broke it and they were on the ground.

[427] Yeah, he smashed it as hard as you could.

[428] Listen.

[429] So good.

[430] So good.

[431] Well, go to YouTube.

[432] But Toast of London is on Netflix and Peep shows on, still on Netflix, right?

[433] And do you know the peep show, they're coming out with a new season?

[434] Oh my God.

[435] they're like doing a it's called something it's sorry it's not peep show but they're coming out with a new show good good hey should we sit down yeah should we talk about murder let's do it uh who the fuck is first and what are we basing it off of i mean Sydney the last show in Sydney I'm sorry the show at the opera house oh the opera house show we did at the opera house who went first that time I believe you did okay because you went you went last you did the shark arm.

[436] Shark arm wasn't Sidiso.

[437] Then I was first at second night.

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[470] Goodbye.

[471] All right, this is the, sorry, I just forgot what I was doing.

[472] This is the story of Jack Gilbert Graham and Flight 629.

[473] All right.

[474] So Jack Gilbert Graham, let's call him Jack, was born on.

[475] That's Flight 629 now.

[476] What?

[477] I was like, do I ignore that airplane flying into this place?

[478] Do we have some, like a black box that if we get blown up by an airplane right now, that they can find it?

[479] Can you save that?

[480] I don't think this would survive an airplane.

[481] Upload it right now, just in case.

[482] The apartment has a black box.

[483] That's all of the apartments came with black boxes.

[484] That's a thing.

[485] That's why you came here.

[486] That vintage ship painting, that's a black box.

[487] Oh, fuck, yeah.

[488] Well, so, so Jack is born on January 23rd, 1932 in Denver, Colorado.

[489] I was going to do this for Denver, but then I'm like, I'm saving the ship.

[490] out of this.

[491] He's a second child of Daisy Graham and her second husband.

[492] Jack is born during the Great Depression in 1937.

[493] His dad dies of pneumonia, which is a thing back in the Great Depression.

[494] It caused Daisy.

[495] Daisy then, his mother sent him to an orphanage because of their poverty.

[496] Super bummer.

[497] It was a thing back then.

[498] Yeah.

[499] And sometimes they just did it like it was a pawn shop where it was like, stay here for a little while.

[500] That's right.

[501] I'll come back and get you.

[502] Baby farmers.

[503] right weren't they called baby farmers in england no i didn't know that that makes sense where you just kind of drop them off and they grow your baby and then you come pick them back up they grow your baby poorly they grow your baby but a lot of times they what they would do is kill them and take the money yeah they would take the money be like sure sure we'll totally take care of it and get money from the state or whatever oh no so but then daisy goes and married and i had to quote this because it was so good well healed meaning rich as fuck yeah daisy marries a rich as fuck rancher named Earl King in 1941.

[504] She's now like fucking living the high life still doesn't get Jack from the orphanage.

[505] Oh.

[506] Yeah.

[507] Well, that's her old life.

[508] She wants to put all that behind her.

[509] She doesn't want to like stress out rancher guy.

[510] In his mansion.

[511] He ran away several times to be with her from the orphanage, but she always brought him back.

[512] Which is like, oh, no, you're going to raise a. Oh, that's.

[513] So he would actually get to his mother's house.

[514] and she would bring him back.

[515] The mansion.

[516] That's like something an orphan would make up.

[517] My mother lives nearby in a mansion.

[518] Right.

[519] And she must not just be able to come get me, so I'm going to make it easier for her and go there.

[520] And then she's all, no thanks.

[521] Nope.

[522] Then when Jack was eight years old, Daisy, she brought him home to the ranch to celebrate Christmas from the orphanage.

[523] Like, come on home from Christmas.

[524] Bies him a pony.

[525] And he's like, well, if you're buying me a pony, I'm clearly here to stay.

[526] Nope.

[527] Once Christmas was over, She takes him back to the fucking orphanage.

[528] Can you imagine living a lavish, whatever, week -long life in a mansion that your mother gets to stay in?

[529] Your mother.

[530] And he, there was an older half -sister, so I, but it doesn't say I wonder if she was actually living there, you know.

[531] Also, why don't they just send him to boarding school?

[532] Why does he have to be in an orphanage?

[533] Sure.

[534] Yeah.

[535] So the husband, the richest fuck.

[536] husband dies and she takes the money for inheritance, becomes a successful business woman, and still doesn't fucking get him from the orphanage.

[537] I know.

[538] Are you just telling me a super sad story this week?

[539] Yeah, that's it.

[540] Okay.

[541] It's just all about orphans.

[542] Just take that up.

[543] Yeah.

[544] Well, don't worry.

[545] It gets worse.

[546] Okay.

[547] When he's 16, he forges papers and he joins the Coast Guard.

[548] But his real age is found out and he's discharged, which is so sad.

[549] where it's like he might have had a good life if they had, like, he, he wanted to join the Coast Guard and be part of the military and they were like 16, which back then was like 27, in terms of like being on your own.

[550] You could probably drink already.

[551] I mean, but if it was still during, this is a little after the Depression, because maybe it's like no free lunches.

[552] Yeah.

[553] Come back when you're 18.

[554] Yeah.

[555] You have to get your own free lunch until.

[556] Yeah.

[557] Go get your free lunch at the orphanage.

[558] Because maybe they would get in trouble for, you That's true.

[559] Dangerous.

[560] I don't know.

[561] At 90, so finally at 19, he forged over four grand in checks to finance a road trip that got him, and it ended up, the forged checks got him two months in a Texas jail for bootlegging and running a police road block at 100 miles per hour, which sounds like fucking fun.

[562] Yes.

[563] Bootlegging.

[564] Yeah.

[565] At this point, he's like, who gives a fuck?

[566] Yeah.

[567] I'm going to go.

[568] Everyone in charge is crazy.

[569] I'm going to live my life.

[570] Yeah.

[571] he's extradited back to Denver his mom pays his debt and probation is granted so he then goes to the University of Denver which is later like he must be have some must be kind of smart yeah in a way I couldn't get into the university system here in California what did our Uber driver tell us when we were in Boulder it was the night before school started for the University of Boulder yes I think so whatever Whatever the local college were.

[572] She said to us, no, is he, he said to us, yeah, well, Boulder's known, Boulder College is known as a pretty easy to get into school.

[573] Insinuating that everyone there was stupid, which I was just like, okay, I don't feel so bad about going to community college and dropping out now.

[574] I went to SAC State where they were like, please come here.

[575] Please come and be one of the 200 ,000 people that go to this school.

[576] We need you.

[577] more than you need us.

[578] Yeah.

[579] Oh my god, I love it.

[580] But we should add this that then after our show and we all went downtown to like try to find a party.

[581] Yeah.

[582] Um, where people told us over and over again don't go downtown.

[583] Remember?

[584] Or like, you don't want to go down there.

[585] Because it was all college kids partying.

[586] College kids just running a muck in the street.

[587] All of them lovely, polite.

[588] Oh, yeah.

[589] My sister asked for directions at one point and the boy was like practically walked them to the door of the place they were trying to find.

[590] Yeah.

[591] Yeah.

[592] So we're not listening.

[593] in Boulder College.

[594] I mean, I just, I figure I'd put that out there, too.

[595] Colorado.

[596] That's very fair of you.

[597] I wasn't going to do that.

[598] I mean, we can't call everybody stupid and just walk away.

[599] You're right.

[600] Dude, dude, dude.

[601] Okay, so, attends Denver University, meets his wife, Gloria.

[602] Daisy, the mom, and Jack were estranged until 1954 when Jack was 22 years old, and Daisy at this point is running a successful restaurant.

[603] And in May of 1955, she builds a crown aid.

[604] She builds Crown A drive -in, which is what it was called, for him to manage.

[605] She just, like, builds a place so he'll have a fucking job.

[606] That's the big, that's the big get back.

[607] That's the big, sorry about the orphanage your whole life.

[608] Remember when I abandoned the shit out of you forever?

[609] Hey, well, then how about some middle management?

[610] Yeah.

[611] How about you clean up French fry grease every night?

[612] Good luck with that.

[613] And manage, like, roller skating waitresses who hate your guts.

[614] Love mommy.

[615] Love your mommy.

[616] fucking but daisy and jack they still had a shitty relationship they're often seen arguing and in 1955 daisy's restaurant her other restaurant has a gas explosion it causes severe damage closes her restaurant for good huh hmm hmm hmm and the most interesting kind of explosion right gas line would i bring it up if it wasn't relevant probably probably probably yeah maybe not maybe not maybe not we there's always the choice we won't know we'll never know there's a third choice and we don't know it yet um then okay so daisy at this point's a 53 year old widow 53 at that point is fucking old as shit yeah she's like right for the hills lady you're done for you retire already would you um so so she tells jack jack's 23 at this point he's got a wife they have a baby he's like made good and made a family and works for his mother like he's clearly trying to fucking play ball make her want him still you know And she's like, oh, by the way, the holiday's coming up, even though you have a new baby.

[617] I'm going to instead go to Alaska and visit your older sister.

[618] Oh, my God.

[619] I hate her.

[620] The people close to you are the ones that can hurt you the most.

[621] Oh, for sure.

[622] And they do.

[623] And why do we let them?

[624] Because you just, that's life.

[625] That's like, it's a series of insults and injuries.

[626] Yeah.

[627] And you're trying to fix yourself so that you fit into what they are.

[628] want from you even though they have no fucking clue what they want from you, because they're broken too.

[629] And then you realize you fix yourself for yourself and you drive through a fucking police roadblock.

[630] Just like, this is my movie.

[631] And for the first time in your life, you have fun.

[632] That's right.

[633] You're drinking fucking shitty bathtub gin.

[634] Yes.

[635] You're having the best life.

[636] You're just going for it.

[637] Yeah.

[638] And then in Texas of all places which had to be fun.

[639] Yes.

[640] Go watch everyone go watch Paper Moon.

[641] I bet that's what his life was like.

[642] That movie is so amazing.

[643] Friday Night Lights.

[644] Oh, yeah.

[645] They weren't bootlegging in that movie.

[646] They could have been.

[647] There was that one season where the brother stole copper wiring.

[648] There was that one season where they had, what's it called?

[649] Prohibition.

[650] What?

[651] What did you say?

[652] I just said pot.

[653] Oh.

[654] They took some pot?

[655] They took pot.

[656] That, that, okay.

[657] And that, I wrote, and that as they say, was the final fucking straw for him.

[658] Yeah.

[659] And I was like, or maybe it was.

[660] the pony years and years ago that was the final straw and he just like hadn't planned it yet that the straw went in and then it was it just waited it was benign until it became malignant yeah it just got heavier over the years okay november 1st 1955 jack's like okay you want to go to alaska great let me take you to the airport oh i'll take you to the airport to go to alaska um that's so loaded because i just was like it's literally loaded it's literally loaded it oh all right i'm gonna let you go what we're gonna say well just just going to the airport by itself like the morning we were leaving for our trip you were like come to my house if you want to ride with us come to my house we're leaving at 730 da da da and then i was just like i am so stressed and now i'm adding another thing to be stressed about they're waiting for me yes and i'm gonna screw this up there's no way i'm gonna be on time no i think it's better that you not that you would have done anything wrong you were there at the exact same time as us it's that thing of we were which i think we did very well with the anxiety of travel oh my god we did we had such a good friendship trip it was so fun it was so good we had the best time stephen thank you for being a kitten in the in the group of like just stevens here stevens there can get mad when stevens but it's like yeah we're i think we're both aware but also it's that thing of like just travel anxiety not knowing things walking up you never know what the fuck you're doing or where you're supposed to be walking toward which is great that we have vince who could not let who could not be in charge if he tried.

[661] Yes.

[662] And so it's the best.

[663] Yeah.

[664] He would never, if it was up to one of us, he would lose his fucking mind.

[665] Yeah.

[666] He would lose his mind.

[667] Me too.

[668] Yeah.

[669] Me too.

[670] Between Vince and then an Australian tour manager Nick, who was a genius.

[671] We love you.

[672] You're never going to listen to this podcast.

[673] He's too punk rock.

[674] He doesn't give a shit.

[675] He was so punk rock.

[676] Yeah.

[677] He was the best.

[678] He's the best.

[679] I want him to always travel with us.

[680] Okay, so sorry, I'm just, I'm setting the table of, I now have travel anxiety, just hearing about this.

[681] Can you, okay, picture this.

[682] Everyone's a little scared of flying, you're anxious at the airport.

[683] Traveling is new.

[684] It's 1955.

[685] Like, passenger traveling is pretty new.

[686] And sitting at the, in the airport before you get on your plane is a fucking, like, cigarette machine that instead of cigarettes sells life insurance.

[687] What?

[688] For before you get on the plane.

[689] I swear to fucking God.

[690] This was a thing until the 80s.

[691] Oh, my God.

[692] So you go in there, and in this case, Jack puts in $1 .50 and gets out a life insurance policy for his mother is about to fly to Alaska for $37 ,500, which at that time is, this time, it would be almost $350 ,000.

[693] And it's just like, good luck.

[694] Like, everyone just bought some, and it was like, hope you don't die.

[695] it's so perfect like it's so perfect if he has any bad intentions he didn't fucking put that machine there like he's just using it like everybody else everyone does it that day everyone's like it's a thing of like oh better do it for good luck though you know what I mean like of course when I don't do it it's gonna it's like having your numbers on roulette where it's like you always do 13 yeah but like this one time it's like well but if 13 comes up so I just always put it on 13 same with renting a car yeah it's gonna be the time you don't get rental insurance exactly I did that I did that where it was like, why did you bring up rental insurance, dude?

[696] Because now I have to get it.

[697] Yep.

[698] All right.

[699] Okay.

[700] Right.

[701] So I think they did away with that on purpose because it's terrifying to everyone.

[702] That's terrifying.

[703] It also opens the door to people who should not be able to just buy life insurance policies hither and yawn.

[704] But also.

[705] Hither and yawn!

[706] That was a, I got to stop on that.

[707] I've never heard that, but I know what you meant.

[708] It didn't really apply to what I was saying, but.

[709] Well, hither and thither.

[710] It's like here and there.

[711] But I want to now see all those machines that they made in the 50s when they were like making, like life is going to be easier because we have these machines.

[712] I have like a photo, like a drawing of like a heavy family on their way to the walk and do it, you know, because you'd walk on the tarmac walking in the day.

[713] Oh God, I bet we could find it.

[714] I could bet we could find one in like American Pickers.

[715] You know that show?

[716] An insurance machine?

[717] I bet they have.

[718] They must have kept them.

[719] And I bet there's some that have like, it's some mechanics.

[720] airplane mechanic who they were closing down that and they he took it home because he's a hoarder and it still has the papers you would get oh could you imagine yes I need that for the podcast loft it's such a good idea yeah you need to put that up there can someone please bring us that actually we yeah okay it's just around the same time as automats which are the most hilarious there when cafeterias they pretended to be automated but it was just people putting dishes into those You like press, it's like pressing D7, and it's like a hand coming out and handing you the, like, the cream corn or whatever the fuck.

[721] The plates just there.

[722] Yeah.

[723] So you just have a bunch of plates.

[724] Like one of my, one of my time travel, like, plans is I would go to an automat because I love cafeterias more than anything.

[725] Yes.

[726] A thousand percent.

[727] I would do the exact same thing.

[728] When we time travel.

[729] And then we're going to go shopping at fucking May company.

[730] Oh, okay.

[731] Okay.

[732] When they run the things, like, you know, that they used to run the money along wires above.

[733] Yeah.

[734] They would drop it down.

[735] So be like, anyway, okay.

[736] But I want dresses.

[737] Yes, you can go do that.

[738] Well, I go look at the dresses and girdles.

[739] Go ahead.

[740] Okay, great.

[741] Okay, well, here's where it gets crazy.

[742] Okay, before, okay, here's what happened.

[743] Wait, let's go back to before.

[744] Wait, no. Jack says to Daisy that he left a surprise Christmas gift in her suitcase.

[745] Spoiler alert, it wasn't a puppy.

[746] I wrote that.

[747] so that's kind of corny.

[748] Instead, in Daisy's large tan Samsonite suitcase, alongside the photo album of Jack and Gloria's wedding that Daisy was going to show to her daughter in Alaska, he had placed a neat bundle of explosives.

[749] Oh, shit.

[750] Less than an hour after the flight took off, the United Airlines flight became the first confirmed sabotage of a commercial aircraft in the United States when it exploded mid -air.

[751] have you not seen this crown to remember no oh my god uh it crashed into farmland and sugar beet fields near longmont colorado and daisy and the 43 other passengers and crew all died oh god uh the youngest passenger was 13 month old james fitchpatrick the second the eldest was 81 year old leila mclean five children lost both their parents in the crash pregnant 22 year old carroll Bynum and her husband both died.

[752] It was the worst mass murder in U .S. history at the time and remains the worst in Colorado and was one of the largest investigations in the FBI history.

[753] Oh, my God.

[754] The FBI obtained.

[755] So can I really quickly, I just want to say also, and I know that's fucking sidebar nation over here, but I just finished, what's weird about this, that I was planning on doing this, and then I didn't realize until today when I think.

[756] finish this audio book I've been listening to that is so fucking good, but it's about a plane crash, that sabotage, that goes, the whole story, you don't find out what happened until the very end.

[757] And in my car at like 2 o 'clock today, I found out, and I almost had a pullover because I was crying.

[758] Wow.

[759] Because it was so good.

[760] Was it a true story?

[761] No, no, no. It's a novel.

[762] Yeah, it's a novel.

[763] It's called Before the Fall by Noah Holly, H -A -W, L -E -Y.

[764] Oh, spoiler alert.

[765] What did I say?

[766] the you said what the ending was what did I say you said that it was the explosion oh no it's not an explosion though it's just a it's just a plane crash oh okay that's not no no no so the explosion isn't part of it it's a plane crash that that they have to then so I'm about to talk about how they figured out what had happened on the in the plane crash by putting it in the hangar so this same kind of thing happened while they had a piece together to figure out what happened in the plane crash and they do it by interviews and then going back to the day of the crash and and who did what and what happened and all the characters are really good it's not an explosion that's a spoiler alert yeah i thought that's what you were i was like what i don't know what i just said the name of the book it's called before the fall um and uh the audiobook is great the reader is really good i you know it's hard to find that that name sounds familiar noah holly i bet he did something really cool i feel like it's the guy that i could be wrong but that might be the guy that does that does Fargo now yes really yes okay coming back Karen just fucking oh my god your memory is bananas is it though your memory in certain ways it is um Noah Holly is it Holly it's H -A -W -L -E -Y but he's uh not he does a lot of things but he is the reason that fucking Fargo series is so magical because it's being written.

[767] It's a novelist writing a TV show.

[768] So it's like, I had no idea.

[769] Well, now I'm even more proud of myself for finding this fucking book.

[770] Nice one.

[771] He's got other ones here.

[772] Oh, I'm going to download all of them.

[773] Yeah.

[774] Great audiobook, which sometimes I'll be like, don't get the audio book, read the book.

[775] It's better.

[776] But this was a great audio book.

[777] And it's just weird that I'm doing this story at the same time as this, because I literally, I don't cry at books and movies, and I almost had to pull over because I was just like so taken aback by it.

[778] Awesome.

[779] I love a good author, like someone that really does it, right?

[780] I'm so happy that we put that, you put that together.

[781] Okay.

[782] So the FBI obtained use of a nearby barn.

[783] They reassembled the fragments of the airplane collected from the site, and they were able to determine that the explosives were used, which is so incredible to me that a flight, a plane can blow up and crash, and they can still put it together and figure out what happened.

[784] They put it together like a huge puzzle.

[785] It's incredible to me. It's crazy.

[786] I, those people must be so smart.

[787] They went, yeah.

[788] I'm not going to say it.

[789] I'm done with that.

[790] I'm done with Boulder.

[791] And then they, and they determined that it had, and they determined that it, which piece of luggage it had come from.

[792] Oh, fuck.

[793] Yeah.

[794] Like, it went off in that piece of luggage, and they figured out what piece of luggage it came from.

[795] And they figured out was Daisy's tan, Samsonite.

[796] All right.

[797] They, so they started looking into her family and looked into Jack when they found out about his criminal past with the bootlegging shit.

[798] They also determined that Daisy's restaurant had been damaged by, quote, a suspicious explosion as well.

[799] And that Jack had received the insurance settlements, which is like, dude, change your ammo a little bit.

[800] Yeah.

[801] You know what I mean?

[802] Don't keep exploding things.

[803] Yeah.

[804] Locals also suspected Jack of deliberate causing his new pickup truck to be stuck by, to be stuck, to be struck.

[805] struck by a train that year for insurance money.

[806] So this guy was like after insurance money and into explosions.

[807] They also found that when she died, a large part of Daisy's estate would go to Jack.

[808] So insurance money again.

[809] After a few days of questioning, Jack said, okay, where do you want me to start?

[810] And then in great detail, he described building and planting the bomb that killed his mother and 43 others on flight 629.

[811] It was constructed of 25, 626.

[812] of dynamite, a six -volt battery, two electric primer caps in case one of them failed, and a timer set to detonate in about 90 minutes after he planted it, or turned it on.

[813] Working in an electronic shot for just two weeks, he had given Jack all the expertise he needed to build the bomb.

[814] So this guy must have been fucking smart.

[815] Yeah.

[816] I then, he said, I then took the sack of dynamite with the battery and timer attached and placed it in my mother's large suitcase.

[817] Based on all the evidence, found at Jack's house, he was arrested charge of sabotage, and later that was changed to murder.

[818] After they arrest, some newspaper people, radio station people were able to sneak cameras and recording into the jail, and Jack told them, I loved my mother very much.

[819] She meant a lot to me. It's very hard for me to tell exactly how I feel.

[820] She left so much of herself behind, which I'm like, no, she fucking didn't, dude.

[821] I'm in.

[822] Is that insensitive?

[823] It's insane of him to say.

[824] Yeah.

[825] It's super bizarre.

[826] I think he must have not had our emotions, our feelings that we have.

[827] I don't want to call him the sociopath because people are like, that's not really...

[828] Well, it may or may not apply, but he's definitely was insanely damaged and abused as a child.

[829] The emotional attachments you have are were broken at some point his mother repeatedly rejected him that's like there's some serial killers that that it only happens once and they yeah and it still doesn't mean she he didn't love her it could mean that he loved her more in a really in a way that we don't feel love but that feels like love to someone else well it's all he knew yeah it's i mean he lived in an orphaned he had that thing of like you if you don't have emotional attachments to not just your parents but to like a caregiver as a young child, you can't have those to anyone, or it's really hard to change that.

[830] That's right.

[831] It's sad.

[832] Yeah.

[833] But he's also a murderer and murdered a bunch of innocent people.

[834] I mean, the plan of that, the coldness of the plan of revenge on his mom, but then just like total devastation on all these other people.

[835] So many families.

[836] It's so, it's so evil.

[837] Yeah.

[838] Um, when asked why he had signed the confession and confessed, he said that the FBI threatened to point out, um, inconsistencies and statements made by his wife, Gloria, but he wanted to keep her out of it.

[839] He just like, didn't want her to have anything to do with it.

[840] So he was like, I'm going to confess.

[841] So she doesn't, you know, maybe she was lying for him.

[842] Maybe she was covering for him.

[843] Um, he also told prison doctors that he realized, he said, he realized that there were about 50 or 60 people.

[844] people carried on the plane, but the number of people to be killed made no difference to me. It could have been a thousand.

[845] When their time comes, when their time comes, there's nothing they can do about it.

[846] It's almost like he's God.

[847] Yeah.

[848] And their time at count when really he had just decided.

[849] Yeah, yeah.

[850] He's pretending that that was, he was some kind of like the arbiter of fate or something.

[851] Right.

[852] Just like, no, dude.

[853] You've just, yeah.

[854] The trial resulted in Colorado becoming the first state to officially sanction the use of television cameras to broadcast criminal trials, no federal statute at the time on the books that made a crime to blow up an airplane because it was so fucking new.

[855] And that led directly to federal laws criminalizing airline sabotage and the formation of the federal aviation administration.

[856] At the time, though, on the day of Jack's confession, they wanted to quickly prosecute Jack.

[857] The simple as possible way was premeditated murder of a single victim, his mother.

[858] So none of the other victims, they couldn't, they didn't try him for those.

[859] Despite the number of victims, uh, he's charged with only one kind of first degree murder.

[860] He recanted his confession.

[861] Um, but because of all the evidence, he was found guilty, attempted suicide.

[862] And on May 5th, 1956, he was, uh, convicted of the death of the murder sentenced to death, executed.

[863] in the gas chamber in January of 1957.

[864] And before his execution, he said about the bombing.

[865] As far as feeling remorse for these people, I don't.

[866] I can't help it.

[867] Everybody pays their way and takes their chances.

[868] That's just the way it goes.

[869] And about his mother's murder, he said, I watched her go off for the last time when she was getting on the plane.

[870] I felt happier than I'd ever felt before in my life.

[871] Fuck, dude.

[872] And that's fucking our friend.

[873] Jack Gilbert Graham and Flight 629.

[874] I like in those kind of quotes where you can really, it really almost surmises the insanity of the person.

[875] Where it's like you are totally cut off from empathy.

[876] You don't give a fuck about anybody, but your revenge.

[877] Not even in a way of like, you're about to die.

[878] It doesn't matter.

[879] Apologize to the families.

[880] Even if you don't fucking mean it.

[881] Like, you can't even give them some kind of closure.

[882] No, because he doesn't.

[883] He doesn't care.

[884] He doesn't have a connection to care about those families.

[885] It's impossible for us to understand.

[886] Well, and also it's, but the thing I think it's interesting is, like, family is the source of his insanity or his damage.

[887] So he doesn't care about those families because he never had a family.

[888] He's like, go fuck your, he's probably more mad that they had families.

[889] He's probably thinking that they feel the same way about their families as he does about his because he doesn't know what it's like to feel any feelings about your family.

[890] Yeah, only just negative or shitty or, like.

[891] yeah crazy oh and go look him up go look at his photo he looks like if our friend Matt Bronger um was playing a yokel with a widow's peak oh like grease back air yeah our friend comedian Matt Bronger playing a role as a yokel nice yeah wow that was good thank you thank you it's fun to base them on TV shows yeah you're fucking right very very hard work gets done for you yeah and it's just a retail dude that's all I do it up so nice I do the opposite stupid thing where I'm like I'm gonna do this hard one and then it's like it's so hard that nobody's ever made a documentary about it except for some fucking person who has like there's so you looked on YouTube for your murder and there's just these people and I don't want to insult other people but I am they make these like story they tell the story on video with pictures and things like that but it's a computer voice yeah and then the murder when it's so weird well i feel like it might be a lot of there's like students it feels to me like students that have to do a presentation for a class or something because there's oftentimes the wording is very odd but it's almost like people who are trying to sound news person yeah um but it's the it's at that point it's the um it's the automated voice which i'm like just be any human can read the wikipedia page it doesn't matter.

[892] Someone's going to like your voice.

[893] Just read it.

[894] Maybe they have a weird high voice.

[895] Maybe.

[896] Or a strangely low voice.

[897] Well, maybe, I mean, I have a fucking Lisp and, and what's it called?

[898] Auto Tune?

[899] No. What's it called?

[900] When you have like the thing or you don't even Oh, you're from California?

[901] Yeah.

[902] I have a Lisp and an auto tune.

[903] Never had a problem with either of those.

[904] What of my voice this entire time was auto tuned?

[905] It would be tough.

[906] It would be a rough one.

[907] That would be tough to keep it natural.

[908] Okay, yay.

[909] Now I got to be told the story.

[910] I love going first because then I get to sit back and I fucking be told a story.

[911] You just get to relax.

[912] I went.

[913] I don't know what I was doing.

[914] Here's what I actually did.

[915] Okay.

[916] Let me hear your process.

[917] Would you want to go behind the scenes?

[918] I do.

[919] And just go behind the music for a second.

[920] I do.

[921] Pop -up video time.

[922] I wanted to do a supernatural murder.

[923] But that's like a made -up thing.

[924] it is essentially yeah but that's what i wanted i just wanted to be a little bit off the planet a little bit and so i eventually found this story of a man named carl pruit who found and this was like in the 30s he found his wife in bed with another man he strangles her with a rusty chain then he commits suicide the family has him buried far away i wrote this whole fucking thing up until i found um buried far away uh and then a kid people start noticing that there are rings appearing on his gravestone rings rings and concentric rings that are linked like a chain basically like a chain so a bunch of kids are playing in the cemetery and they the boy throws a rock at the headstone great place to play by the way yeah that's where the good times are it throws a rock at the headstone chips it they all go to ride their bikes home he falls off his bike and the bike chain wraps around his neck and strangles him to death right so when the mother this is season two of stranger things.

[925] The mother finds out and here's all the town gossip of it was because he was, he desecrated the headstone of the killer.

[926] Good old of the chain killer.

[927] And so she goes down with an axe to take the headstone apart.

[928] The next day she's found hanging in her own clothesline.

[929] Oh my goodness.

[930] So then it basically goes on and on.

[931] I'm like, this is the best.

[932] This is going to be amazing.

[933] I get to the end of the article.

[934] And the person who wrote the article begins to deconstruct ghost stories in America and how this is fake like Carl Pruitt never existed this person never existed can't find any of these people in any public record and then I had to start over I was really mad because it was so perfect and yet it was such a creepy pasta like oh and then the then these people every single thing was someone strangled with the chain if they tried to touch the headstone Jesus I don't know how I don't know how you can find a murder that gets you out of the murder world well no you can't i'm just i don't even know what i'm doing so then i went all the way in and i'm doing son of sam oh that was not the direction i thought was gonna happen i just fucking turn that car around but you know why i'm okay you know i understand it's because he doesn't mutilate anyone that's right where it's almost like he listen murder is murder and it's fucking horrible and awful and son of sam is a monster but when you don't have to talk about someone when for us, I don't mean like there's certain murders, but when we don't have to talk about women getting their boobs cut off and being raped and savage, which I'm doing right now, it's almost like a relief.

[935] It is because it still qualifies and he's very famous and everybody knows who he is, but he did, he was on a murder spree in the 70s that was so strangely distant and odd.

[936] Disconnected.

[937] Totally disconnected and yet very specific.

[938] He was like, I don't know if a lot of people know this i certainly didn't before i started reading about it he he only shot women with long dark hair no i didn't know that i didn't either he's a total fucking ted bundy in that style so it's just interesting like it's it's a it's definitely a thing where you can dip in but you don't have to go into there's not even a stab which which is there let me stop you okay let you know what why don't you do your murder and i'll stop because that's what's interesting so he also was the product of an illicit affair and his mother gave him away right after he was born to a couple named Pearl and Nathan Berkowitz who lived in the Bronx and he was a troubled youth neighbors say he was a bully he was he was an asshole he was really spoiled he was really difficult and he from an early age began engaging in petty larceny and arson um our sin our sin our friend um so there's not i couldn't find anything i actually looked it up specifically of like did something happen to him that he never talked about yeah um but his mother died of breast cancer when he was 14 that's it man that's got to be a huge well shock um then his father remarries he doesn't like his new stepmother um so in 1971 when he's 18 he joins the army and he serves for four years he's given an honorary discharge in 1974 and while he's serving in the army he has his first and only sexual encounter with a sex worker huh um the result of that encounter gave him a venereal disease oh shit and the um psychiatrists or whoever say that after that whoever word on the street um was that because of that um um experience specific experience he became enraged with women um which we know can't be true like you had that boiling down somewhere ready to burst it's not like oh great with women and then you're like oh shit crabs no exactly right well yeah and that's probably not crabs no shit crabs i hate it's already a problem he's one of those people that yeah if you're a bully that that doesn't get along and as an asshole, everybody, you're not also a lady killer.

[939] That's probably not happening.

[940] I just love that they can blame it on this one.

[941] Like, they're blaming it on the woman.

[942] Right.

[943] You know what I mean?

[944] Which is just like, of course.

[945] It's not that.

[946] Also, when he gets out of the army, he looks up his birth mother and his birth mother explains how she gave him away because he was illegitimate.

[947] A forensic anthropologist, Elliot Leighton, described this as the primary crisis of his life, finding out that he was an illegitimate child that his father didn't want him, um, shattered his sense of identity on top of that, the old VD, little crabs that he started a spate of arson fires, um, in the early 70s, um, that he actually, well, we can talk about this later, but that was his, his first crime was arson and he would go and light these fires all over the Bronx and, um, and the surrounding area.

[948] If only I knew what that, what city is that involved?

[949] Manhattan.

[950] Let's call it.

[951] No, he kept it over in like, in his, in the Bronx area.

[952] And boroughs, other boroughs.

[953] Other boroughs.

[954] And then other boroughs.

[955] Brooklyn.

[956] Let's say Brooklyn.

[957] There's Queens.

[958] There's Queens and Queens comes up quite a bit in this story.

[959] Did he go to Long Island?

[960] I don't know.

[961] I doubt he would make that drive.

[962] Okay.

[963] He did become a mailman.

[964] So Christmas of 1975, he stabs two women with a hunting night on the streets of New York City.

[965] Jesus.

[966] But they fight back, this was Christmas Eve night, they fight back and he flees the scene, they're not killed.

[967] Wow.

[968] That's his first attempt.

[969] And that's when he switches over to a 44 caliber bulldog snub -nosed shotgun.

[970] No or kind of a handgun.

[971] A gun.

[972] It's a 44 caliber gun that he uses for the rest of his time.

[973] So July 29th, 1976, this is in Pelham Bay, the Bronx, 1 .10 a .m. and Donna Loria, who's 18, and Jody Valenti, who's 19, are sitting in Jody Valenti's car outside Donna Loria's apartment.

[974] And they're talking about the night they just spent at Peach Trees, which was the local disco.

[975] Oh, peach trees.

[976] Oh, this is, if you see the movie Son of Sam, the Spike Lee movie, starring John Leguizamo, it's actually really hilarious and great because disco exploded, like, in this period of time.

[977] And so, you know, around New York City.

[978] people were just at discos every night and that lifestyle was like a big deal it's just clubbing yes it's disco music it's clubbing with polyester oh man i'm so glad i i hope when we go back in time we don't end up there i mean i can feather my hair so i feel okay about it you'd probably be a good a good disco queen i might be good but i don't want i i don't want to show my arms and that's a that's a big going to be a big problem at the disco i hate disco music and cocaine so i feel like i just be like in the sitting in the corner being like can we go we're such opposites i know can we go to a dive bar please okay so they were at peach trees they're sitting in the car talking about it jody opens the car door to get out to walk up to her house and sees a man walking really fast toward the car that's so scary that image it's so scary a man walking fast towards you is like just punch at one in the morning at one in the morning right outside your house punch he pulls a 44 caliber handgun out of a paper bag kneels down and fires five times into the car Donna Loria was hit in the neck and killed instantly Jodie Valenti was hit in the thigh and then she leaned on the horn and the attacker turned and walked quickly away which is also creepy.

[979] Yeah, that you don't run because you know not to run because that's suspicious.

[980] Yeah, you just walk quickly away like your business is done here.

[981] Okay, so Jody describes him as a white male in his 30s with a fair complexion about 5 '9 weighing 160 pounds short dark curly hair in the quote mod style good for her for no one like remembering all these details so um also loria's father also saw him and told the police a similar looking man was sitting in a yellow compact car wow all night he had been cruising the area um hours before the shooting and several neighbors actually saw a man in a yellow car cruising the area so um about three months later, Carl De Niro, who is 20, and Rosemary Keenan, the old Italian -Irish combination, it's fire.

[982] 18, they were talking outside Keenan's house when, according to Keenan, it felt like the car exploded.

[983] So what had happened was that car was fired on five times.

[984] De Niro, Carl De Niro, who's in the driver's seat, puts it into driving speeds away.

[985] Fuck, yeah.

[986] And only later do they realize.

[987] he's been shot in the head.

[988] Oh my God.

[989] He ended up getting, he survived.

[990] Holy shit.

[991] He ended up having to get a plate in his head to replace the skull, the part of his skull that was blown away.

[992] They, the police did not attack, did not link this attack to the Loria Valenti attack because they were in two different precincts.

[993] Okay.

[994] So they were just separate shootings.

[995] Weird, right?

[996] Crazy.

[997] But I mean, this was New York in the late 70s, so there was tons of crime.

[998] that's true um but rosemary keenan's father was a new york city um i i can't remember if his detective or a police officer but basically once the daughter of one of their own they they turned up um the intensity on this specific investigation and she didn't die she didn't die neither of them died okay but they could they didn't have that much um evidence there wasn't a lot a lot to go on right so a month later donna damasi and joanne lomino had just walked home from a movie theater and they were talking on joanne's front porch and they see a man in army fatigues approaching them i guess it's like vietnam so it's not that weird i mean not really but here's what's weird and this is the part i hate okay he's uh asking for directions in a high pitched voice he before he finished it so he starts asking the question before he finishes a sentence he pulls out the gun and shoots both of them um donna was shot in the neck but recovered joanne's hit in the spine and she was paralyzed.

[999] A neighbor claims to have seen a blonde man running away from the scene clutching a gun.

[1000] Okay, so January 30th, 1977, this is at the Forest Hills Long Island Railroad Station in Queens at 240 in the morning.

[1001] Christina Frund and her fiancé John Deal had just seen Rocky and they were about to go to a disco.

[1002] It's at a dance hall in Wikipedia, but I would assume that means a disco.

[1003] Yeah.

[1004] And as they're sitting in the car, three gunshots.

[1005] Someone shoots into the car three times.

[1006] In a panic, deal drives away.

[1007] He suffered minor superficial injuries, but Christina Fronde was shot, a friend was shot twice and died several hours later in the hospital.

[1008] Neither of them saw their attacker.

[1009] So now the police make their first public acknowledgement that the Frond deal shooting was similar to the other incident.

[1010] and all of the crimes could be associated because all of the victims had been struck with 44 caliber bullets.

[1011] The shootings seemed to target young women with long black hair.

[1012] And the police announced that they were looking for multiple suspects.

[1013] Can you imagine, like, if, let's say that happened right now in L .A., if that was going on, I wouldn't want to leave the house.

[1014] Do you know that actually, it wasn't here, but it was a little while later after a couple more of these murders when they when this the that fact of that it was um women with long dark hair there was a rush on women getting their hair cut really short like dorothy hamill and died lighter and that's why that trend i mean like that's in new york city all women got their hair cut and died and they said that there was a shortage of wigs at beauty supply stores because everyone was just going bad shit like in one day once they made that announcement ever got their hair cut.

[1015] I love that idea.

[1016] Okay, so March 8th, Columbia College is still 1977.

[1017] At 7 .30 in the evening, Virginia Vokshirichian walks home from her classes at Columbia.

[1018] A man walks toward her.

[1019] And when he gets close, he pulls out a gun and fires into her face.

[1020] She put up her books to protect herself, but she was killed instantly.

[1021] And moments later, a neighbor, one of her.

[1022] her neighbors rounds the corner.

[1023] He hears the gunshots.

[1024] And then he nearly collides with the person who just he described as a short husky boy, age 16 to 18, clean shaven wearing a sweater and a watch cap, sprinting away from the scene.

[1025] Um, uh, and other neighbors, um, matching that same description, uh, reported a teenager loitering in the area for about an hour before this shooting.

[1026] Um, In the following days, the media report police claims that this, quote, chubby teenager was the suspect.

[1027] There are no direct witnesses to her murder.

[1028] And she lived about a block away from where Christine Freund and her fiance, John Deal, were shot.

[1029] March 10, 1977, NYPD holds a press conference stating that the weapon used in Virginia, Vauxhire Cherians, Voscarricians, I think is Voscarricians.

[1030] is also a 44 bulldog the same weapon used in all the other shootings and of course this whole story the New York Daily News and the post go crazy on the daily it's just constant front page what's it called fear mongering well you should be afraid well I mean they were finally justified it also went international they were naming there's they name in the Wikipedia article like all the you know the Vatican had an article about it in the Vatican newspaper or whatever.

[1031] So April 17th, this is a month later, basically, in the Bronx.

[1032] It's 3 a .m. and Valentina Suriani, who's 18, and Alexander Esau, who's 20, are sitting in Valentina's car kissing, and each one is shot twice.

[1033] Suriani died instantly.

[1034] Esau died a few hours later in the hospital.

[1035] And it says, again, it's a 44, and they were only parked a few blocks away from the Lauria Valenti shooting.

[1036] So then at the crime scene, they find a handwritten letter.

[1037] And it's from the killer, and it's addressed to police captain Joseph Borrelli.

[1038] And this is where the name son of Sam comes from is this letter.

[1039] Okay.

[1040] So basically it reads, I'm just going to do pieces because it's really long.

[1041] It starts out, I am deeply hurt by you're calling me a woman hater.

[1042] I am not.

[1043] But I am a monster.

[1044] I am the son of Sam.

[1045] I am a little brat.

[1046] When Father Sam gets drunk, he gets mean.

[1047] He beats his family.

[1048] Sometimes he ties me up to the back of the house.

[1049] Other times he locks me in the garage.

[1050] Sam loves to drink blood.

[1051] Go out and kill commands Father Sam.

[1052] Behind our house some rest.

[1053] I don't know this at all.

[1054] It's just fucking crazy.

[1055] Nonsense.

[1056] Yeah.

[1057] But it ends like this.

[1058] I want to make love to the world.

[1059] I love people.

[1060] I don't belong on earth.

[1061] Return me to Yahoo's.

[1062] To the people of Queens, I love you.

[1063] And I want to wish all of you a happy Easter.

[1064] What the shit.

[1065] May God bless you in this life and in the next.

[1066] And for now, I say goodbye and good night.

[1067] Police, let me haunt you with these words.

[1068] I'll be back.

[1069] I'll be back.

[1070] To be interpreted as bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang.

[1071] bang, ugh, yours in murder, Mr. Monster.

[1072] So I am, that is, I can't even, yeah, it's nuts.

[1073] I bet that was like even scarier to them that were like, oh, we're not, this isn't a calculated person, this is a fucking lunatic, how are we going to track down a lunatic because you can't use logic?

[1074] That's right.

[1075] Also, yeah, that wasn't mailed or anything.

[1076] It was left at the murder scene.

[1077] So it's somebody that kills people and then draw.

[1078] something intentionally all of it is he's them yeah Jesus um so several psychiatrists are consulted and there's a psychological profile drawn up based on this letter and he's described as neurotic probably suffering from paranoid schizophrenia who believes himself to be the victim of demonic possession so may 30th 1977 so at that time the daily news had a columnist is a very famous man named Jimmy Breslin who was like super famous in New York a lot of people out not that many people outside know him but he was like he was like one of those like tough you know reporters of New York that I was you know hard -boiled he was I would call him hard -boiled yeah okay someone to call me hard -boiled one day they will they will um so the son of Sam sends Jimmy Breslin a letter oh shit and uh on the back of the envelope he wrote the phrases is blood and family, darkness and death, absolute depravity, and just 44, with a dot in front of it.

[1079] So like 44 caliber.

[1080] And then I'll just read you how it starts, because it's just more blatherer, but it starts, hello from the gutters of NYC, which are filled with dog manure, vomit, stale wine, urine, and blood.

[1081] I mean, is he wrong?

[1082] I know.

[1083] He's fucking dead on.

[1084] It's summertime, so he's probably very frustrated.

[1085] Hello from the sewers of NYC, which swallow up these delicacies when they are washed away by the sweeper trucks.

[1086] Hello from the cracks in the sidewalks of NYC and from all the ants that dwell in these cracks and feed in the dried blood of the dead that is settled into these cracks.

[1087] This is poetry.

[1088] Eh, is it?

[1089] J .B., I'm just dropping you a line to let you know that I appreciate your interest in those recent and horrendous 44 caliber killings.

[1090] I also want to tell you that I read your column daily and I find it quite informative.

[1091] Tell me, Jim, what will you have for July, 29.

[1092] Mm -hmm.

[1093] Oh, see, this one he seems smart.

[1094] Right.

[1095] Almost as if he might be putting on an ass of some kind.

[1096] Okay.

[1097] So the Daily News publishes this letter a week after they get it with a column from Jimmy Breslin urging the killer to surrender himself.

[1098] And this article made that day's paper the highest selling edition of the Daily News ever.

[1099] They sold more than 1 .1 million copies.

[1100] Wow.

[1101] Oh, and it's after that that with Jimmy Breslin's column, this is when all the women get their haircut, which I just, that's in the movie, too.

[1102] Yeah.

[1103] And it's hilarious.

[1104] I saw it when it came out, but I don't remember it much.

[1105] Yeah, it's good movie.

[1106] I liked it.

[1107] I just remember that from Ted Bundy, too, like did a bunch of girls.

[1108] Yes.

[1109] Who had the same haircut.

[1110] Hell yes.

[1111] Change that fucking shit out of it.

[1112] Hey, highlights, everybody.

[1113] Yeah.

[1114] How about a high -lit bob?

[1115] Yeah.

[1116] I'm brave.

[1117] I also love Son of Summer of Sam, the movie, because it's almost entirely focused on disco.

[1118] Yeah.

[1119] The murders almost seem like an after -law.

[1120] The murders almost seem like they're powering disco.

[1121] You know what I mean?

[1122] Like, disco is a response to the murders.

[1123] That's right.

[1124] Or disco is because the murders are creating disco.

[1125] Listen, John Likizamo is just a dream.

[1126] Listen.

[1127] did you want to finish that look okay look oh no that's it i interrupted you to then say nothing okay so now we're in june 26 1977 this is in bayside queens um so yeah it's like for people i i am from california so when we talk about all these different parts of all these different boroughs in new york queens as a borough bayside is a part of queens okay right right i mean The Bronx is a borough, and then the part of the Bronx that I was talking about, the Forest Hills, Long Island Railroad.

[1128] It's like the Upper East Side is part of Manhattan, but it's so neighborhood.

[1129] Right.

[1130] Yeah, Manhattan's a borough, and then the Upper East Side is part of that.

[1131] Williamsburg is like, let's go on for an hour and name neighborhoods.

[1132] I'm going to say the wrong thing for sure here, and I only can picture the people I know who live in New York being very mad at me. Well, so they think they're better than us?

[1133] Also, maybe I'm doing it for attention.

[1134] Maybe I want you to be mad at me. Maybe I like it.

[1135] All right.

[1136] The morning of June 26, 1977, it's 3 a .m. Judy Placito and Sal Lupo, which that I think Saoupo might have been the main character in Summer of Sam.

[1137] Oh.

[1138] It just sounds familiar to me. Okay.

[1139] But I could be making it up.

[1140] No, I trust you on name recognition.

[1141] This is where that all falls apart.

[1142] Yeah.

[1143] Okay.

[1144] They've just left the Elephus Disco, and they're sitting in the car.

[1145] and the car's hit by three gun gunshot blasts.

[1146] So Judy, Sal Lupo is wounded in the right forearm.

[1147] Judy Placito is shot in the right temple, in the shoulder, and in the back of the neck.

[1148] They both survive.

[1149] Which is incredible.

[1150] These people who are surviving these mortal up -close gun blasts, is bananas.

[1151] It's crazy.

[1152] So Sal Lupo tells the police they, had just been discussing the case of son of Sam right before the gunshots hit okay so about a month later it's july 31st 1977 stacey moskowitz who doesn't know stacey moskowitz and i mean like the second i read that name i was like i went to junior high with her so stacey and her boyfriend bobby violante are taking a walk in the park late at night very brave but they go back to their car when they see a man watching them.

[1153] Oh, no. But then when they get back into the car, they were so into each other that they start making out, so they don't leave right away.

[1154] They're kissing in the car when they're hit by bullets.

[1155] Stacey Moskowitz was shot once in the head.

[1156] Bobby Violente had been shot twice in the face.

[1157] Stacey was killed while Bobby Violente would survive, but he lost most of his vision, but he survived from being shot in the head.

[1158] So...

[1159] These people on the fucking burrows have some survivability.

[1160] For real.

[1161] I mean, it's the New York City, baby.

[1162] Yeah.

[1163] Okay, so this is the shooting that brings out the most witnesses of any of the other son of Sam murders.

[1164] There was actually a direct eyewitness.

[1165] So during the shooting, 19 -year -old Tommy Zeno was parked three cars down or three cars in front of Bobby Vialanti's vehicle.

[1166] And moments before the shooting, Zano caught peripheral glimpse of the shooter's approach and then happened to glance in his rearview mirror just in time to see the actual shooting.

[1167] Oh, my God.

[1168] He clearly saw the perpetrator for several seconds due to bright street light in the full moon, and later described him as being 25 to 30 years old, 5 foot 7 to 5 foot 9 inches with shaggy hair that was dark blonde or light brown, but he said that the shooter's hair looked like a wig.

[1169] So about a minute after the shooting, a woman in her boyfriend's car on the other side of the park saw a white male wearing a light colored cheap nylon wig sprinting out of the park and get into a small and he got into a small light colored car that drove away and she said he looked like he just robbed a bank and she also got part of his license plate 4GUR or 4GVR there were other witnesses one including a woman who saw light car speed away from the park 20 seconds after the gunshots and at least two witnesses to describe a yellow Volkswagen driving quickly from the neighborhood with its lights off.

[1170] One of a neighborhood resident, here's the gunshots, here's Bobby Vienti's calls for help, glances out her apartment window to see a man walking casually away from the crime scene while everyone else was running toward the sounds of the screaming.

[1171] Oh my God, I'm so excited right now.

[1172] This is like, so tense.

[1173] Yes.

[1174] And multiple other residents.

[1175] So this, he was seen.

[1176] by tons of people that night.

[1177] They witnessed a scruffy -looking man with dark stringing hair and stubble driving a small yellow car recklessly away from the scene.

[1178] He almost crashed into a car.

[1179] He ran a red light, almost crashed into a guy.

[1180] The guy started following him because he was so pissed that the guy almost killed him.

[1181] New York.

[1182] But he could only, he only followed him so far and then he lost him.

[1183] And then later found that it was son of Sam.

[1184] Okay, so, on the same night local resident Cecilia Davis is walking her dog this is like the woman that brings it all together which I love.

[1185] Cecilia.

[1186] She's walking her dog at the scene of the Moskowitz Violanti shooting.

[1187] So she sees patrol officer Michael Katano ticket a car, a yellow car by a fire hydrant.

[1188] And then moments after that cop left a young man walks past her and studies her with some interest and she feels concerned because he's got a dark object in his hand.

[1189] So she said he was wielding a dark object.

[1190] She doesn't know what it is.

[1191] She just runs home only to hear shots fired moments later.

[1192] So she calls the police.

[1193] She doesn't say anything for four days and then she calls the police and they start checking every car that got ticketed that night in that area.

[1194] What are the fucking chances, man?

[1195] And not only did they ticket it, but someone saw it happen and then knew about the murders.

[1196] And someone saw, what she saw happen was a guy that gave her weird vibes.

[1197] Totally.

[1198] And then she put all of it together where it's like, yeah, you got away from the man that was endangering you.

[1199] Then you stayed with it.

[1200] Yeah.

[1201] Witnessed something and then reported it.

[1202] Totally.

[1203] Love it.

[1204] Love it, love it.

[1205] Way to go, Cecilia.

[1206] Cecilia.

[1207] And her dog.

[1208] Marty.

[1209] Most of the dog.

[1210] Marty.

[1211] I got so excited that that was actually the dog's name.

[1212] I'm like, oh, no, wait, she made it up.

[1213] I'm like, oh, sorry, it's your dad's name.

[1214] Okay, so the next day, police investigate, they go and they check Berkowitz's car.

[1215] It's one of the several that got ticketed that night.

[1216] And they see, it's parked outside his apartment building at 35 Pine Street in Yonkers.

[1217] And they see there's a rifle in the back seat.

[1218] What?

[1219] Uh -huh.

[1220] Hide your rifle.

[1221] Yeah, right?

[1222] So they search the car.

[1223] They're like, that's probable cause.

[1224] They search the car and they find a duffel bag filled with ammunition.

[1225] Maps of the crime scenes.

[1226] A threatening letter addressed to Inspector Timothy Dowd of the Omega Task Force.

[1227] So they know they probably have their man. They put it together.

[1228] They put in a request for a search warrant, but they know they're very concerned with going into his apartment without having it because they don't want to lose the case.

[1229] Right.

[1230] So they wait outside David Berkowitz's apartment until 10 o 'clock at night.

[1231] And when he comes out and gets into his car, and he had a paper bag with him, and that 44 was inside the bag.

[1232] Oh, my God.

[1233] He gets in the car, sits down, and then Detective John Falotico approaches the driver's side and puts the gun right against, right next to Berkowitz's temple, and then Detective Sergeant William Gardella covers.

[1234] from the passenger side with his gun inside the car.

[1235] Oh, my God.

[1236] And David Berkowitz has taken into custody for the son of Sam murders.

[1237] They say it's reported that he was very calm and very serene, almost seemed happy.

[1238] Wow.

[1239] So when they search his apartment the next day, apartment 70, they find the walls are covered in satanic graffiti.

[1240] The whole apartment is a complete mess.

[1241] There's liquor bottles everywhere.

[1242] And they also find three stenographers notebooks where, um, Berkowitz had meticulously recorded hundreds of arson fires that he had set.

[1243] Hundreds?

[1244] He had been recording it since he was 21.

[1245] Some sources allege that the number of arson fires he recorded was over 1 ,400.

[1246] Yeah.

[1247] Does he recorded or set?

[1248] Well, he wrote them into these notebooks.

[1249] Yeah.

[1250] And they believe that they correspond to real fires that happened around the Bronx and Queens and Manhattan, Manhattan, Brooklyn.

[1251] Don't for, certainly don't forget Long Island.

[1252] Is Long Island a borough?

[1253] I think so.

[1254] What about Coney Island?

[1255] I think that's a neighborhood.

[1256] And what about the islands where the Statue of Liberty lives?

[1257] Oh, you mean Liberty Island?

[1258] Freedom Island.

[1259] All right.

[1260] Now people are legit mad.

[1261] Angry.

[1262] Like even they know.

[1263] he is questioned for half an hour and then immediately cops to everything and explains to the cops in great detail all of the crimes that he perpetrated and when they ask him why he says his neighbor Sam Carr's black lab Harvey was possessed by an ancient demon and Harvey made him do it because he wanted the blood of pretty young girls what yeah so wait okay so that's why he called himself son of Sam is the neighbor's name was Sam.

[1264] Sam Carr and Sam Carr's dog like it was he was but I don't go to so but later so you know I'm I've been listening to the audio book of those who fight monsters which is the guy from the who basically started the FBI Vicar all that John E. Douglas I think his name is but he interviewed David Berkowitz years later when they were putting together their when they decided they were going to start profiling serial killers so they could get profiles of them, whatever.

[1265] But he basically got David Berkowitz to admit that all of this shit was fake.

[1266] The whole thing about the dog talking to him and everything was completely, it was completely made up so that he didn't seem responsible and that he could get off on the insanity plea and it was purely because he was so angry at women he had never had success with women he was just an angry man he was very angry he was very like a spoiled child I think it was that thing he didn't know how to handle he wasn't it wasn't titled and didn't get it yeah and so he just wanted everyone to pay for his loneliness and lack of popularity which seems like such a narrative of a lot of spree killers that are just like they feel entitled and they're pissed off that everyone else doesn't know they're they should be getting everything they want it makes me think of that boy um in santa barbara that just thinking of that all those kids in santa barbara yeah it's the exact same thing where everybody else it's not anything that has to do with them they don't take any personal responsibility it's everybody else that everyone else has to pay right it's i guess narcissism and you know a lot of other yeah fucked up shit but um um um Um, anyway, he, he basically, he is tried, found guilty on June 12th, 1978 he's sentenced to six life terms totaling a maximum of 365 years in prison.

[1267] He, they send him to Attica in 1987.

[1268] He becomes a born again Christian.

[1269] Oh, good luck with that.

[1270] And before his first parole hearing in 2002, he sent a letter to the governor of New York.

[1271] Wait, he lived that.

[1272] How did I not?

[1273] He's still alive.

[1274] I'm sorry.

[1275] He's still alive.

[1276] He's still alive?

[1277] Yeah.

[1278] How do I make that know that?

[1279] He was only in his 30s when he was a...

[1280] But I would have said that they put him to death or something.

[1281] No. It's, um, he admitted to everything so they didn't give him the death penalty.

[1282] Okay, go on.

[1283] Jesus Christ, you just blew my mind.

[1284] I know, is that crazy?

[1285] Um, he sent a letter to George Pataki, who is the governor of New York at the time, asking, um, to have his parole hearing canceled.

[1286] He said, in all honesty, I believe I deserve to be in prison for the rest of my life.

[1287] I have with God's help.

[1288] long ago come to terms with my situation and I've accepted my punishment.

[1289] Wow.

[1290] Then in 1993 he went into this weird thing where he was claiming to be responsible for satanic cult killings.

[1291] I think he may have gotten bored.

[1292] He was trying to say that he didn't, he wasn't the only one responsible for the son of Sam murders that there were other people and it was because of this satanic cult and blah, blah, blah.

[1293] And when that story came out, Jimmy Breslin himself made this statement When they talked to David Berkowitz that night Which is like the night he got arrested He recalled everything step by step by step The guy has 1 ,000 % recall and that's it He's the guy and there's nothing else to look at For sure So Wow That's your son of a son of a son of a fucking hitter Heavy hitter which I always avoid because it's so much research Me too I know I miss big things and you know Sorry, Spike Lee.

[1294] I was going to do a heavy hitter this week, actually.

[1295] Or like, I was going to, I was going to do a heavy hitter this week.

[1296] You know, the thing where you're like, should I do this one or should I do that one?

[1297] I finish this one.

[1298] But I went to this one.

[1299] Yes.

[1300] And then it was just like, no, Georgia, you need more than 16 hours before you decide to do a heavy hitter.

[1301] I mean, you really do.

[1302] And I think my Wikipedia recitation proves that.

[1303] Yeah.

[1304] No, that was great.

[1305] People that shoot from a distant.

[1306] Like, there is something very, I mean, obviously, we're.

[1307] saying this.

[1308] It's just so lame.

[1309] It's just so cowardly and meek to like stand from a distance and shoot a person and then just be like, I am the son of Sam.

[1310] It's emotionally detached in a way that you don't expect from most serial killers.

[1311] Right.

[1312] Who are just like in it for the suffering and seeing the suffering of others.

[1313] Yeah, he was, he wanted to end lives because it was about his failures as a man. Right.

[1314] He could have been a mafia hitman.

[1315] Yeah.

[1316] If you got fucking painted his apartment and got his shit together.

[1317] It's tough listening to dogs.

[1318] Yeah.

[1319] That poor dog was like, dude, I fucking love everyone.

[1320] Don't bring me into this bitch.

[1321] All I want are treats.

[1322] I just want them to bring me inside everyone's while.

[1323] That's why I'm barking?

[1324] Why am I in the back?

[1325] Give me a scratch behind the ear.

[1326] Everyone's in a blue.

[1327] And then don't bring me into your stories.

[1328] I'm not satanic.

[1329] I am.

[1330] I love the idea of being possessed by an ancient demon.

[1331] Yeah.

[1332] Not a recent demon.

[1333] I mean, the dog maybe was an ancient demon, but it was also like, but I'm past that.

[1334] I'm born again.

[1335] Yeah, he'd gotten healthy.

[1336] Well, shit, man. That's that, man. We're back.

[1337] We're off the road for a little while.

[1338] You mean a week?

[1339] Yeah, but still.

[1340] Yeah.

[1341] Sorry, I just really bummed you out there.

[1342] I don't know.

[1343] I'm looking forward to the, you know, Detroit, Toronto.

[1344] That's going to be fun.

[1345] And then we're just doing these, like, fun low weekends of, like, cool cities yeah weekends are good it's our weekend that's that's the enjoyable kind get in we get out yeah we have our fun we get out yeah um well i think should we say one thing that makes us happy oh good idea is it sleeping all week because that's mine oh dude sleeping can it be can it either has to be something oh my new car oh yeah yeah can that be mine this is yes okay this is the first new car i've ever had in my life nice it's it feels so It's a toy to Corolla, which is my first car I ever had.

[1346] Oh, wow.

[1347] My hand me down, shitty little car that was just like the most basic you could get at the time.

[1348] And this one has like, fucking a moon roof and a fucking, an automatic, like your seat moves automatically.

[1349] I've never had a car with - It shapes it to you as you get in.

[1350] Yeah.

[1351] Or it has like the when you need to move it forward, it's just like you don't have to crank it, you know?

[1352] You don't have to do that while you're driving and accidentally almost hit your face.

[1353] on the steering wheel or crash right or crash yeah it has like it has adult things that I never thought I would ever have in my life but it's a toy out so it wasn't fucking crazy expensive as a cooch warmer which is like to me the next level of fucking class you can have those all the time you just you don't have to wait to get into your car what do you mean you can fucking slip something you can do an icy hot pack right into your underwear you try to get me a yeast infection over it's just like it feels it feels grown up and I'm like I didn't think I'd ever care about it something like this and I'm really just like pleased and grateful it's great it's it's nice it's nice to like be like oh I earned something yeah I earned it I think I earned it and I'm really happy about it yeah that's good yeah I guess mine would be so this this is Thursday so tomorrow I am playing a show with my friends the band Sure Sure at the satellite in L .A. So if you live in the L .A. area Stephen and I will be there.

[1354] These guys are coming.

[1355] I think I can only put one name on the guest.

[1356] I'm coming.

[1357] But if you are around and I absolutely guarantee that you will love this band, Sure, Sure.

[1358] They are so fucking good.

[1359] They're going to be famous.

[1360] I just...

[1361] You played them for me and I was like it was one of those things like, this reminds me of a little of this.

[1362] And it was all like classic bands that you love.

[1363] Yes.

[1364] It's really fucking good.

[1365] Yeah.

[1366] It's not, I told them, because we did a show together like four years ago.

[1367] And it was just because my friend Kevin is in the band and he was like, do you want to do a show with us?

[1368] And I told him after the show, I was like, I was so scared to see your band because when do you go see a band and you're like, that was the best thing ever.

[1369] It's not that often.

[1370] Yeah.

[1371] It's intimidating when you go see a friend who's like, come see me do this thing.

[1372] You're like, all right.

[1373] And you're like, Oh my God, you're so talented.

[1374] Yes.

[1375] It's just so exciting when people are great and their, their music is just so listenable.

[1376] I mean, I've already given the recommendation, but.

[1377] And you're playing music first?

[1378] And I am opening for them, yeah.

[1379] So I'm going to do a couple of my old, moldy oldies.

[1380] You have some, you have some, like, classic songs, then you have some comedy songs, too, right?

[1381] Yeah.

[1382] Are you going to do?

[1383] I don't think I have classic songs.

[1384] You don't do a lot of, like, well, then you have, like, sad ones.

[1385] Classic songs like, like, goodbye yellow, but.

[1386] road or something?

[1387] Yeah.

[1388] No, just like not outright comedy.

[1389] Some of my comedy songs make you sad.

[1390] Exactly.

[1391] Yeah, but I can still hide behind the comedy part, so that's good.

[1392] Yeah, I'm only going to do a handful.

[1393] If I was at the show and someone did, like, if they're, I would be like, get off this day.

[1394] I just want to see this band, please.

[1395] So I know that.

[1396] I'm excited to see you play.

[1397] I'm excited to play, because I haven't done it in a while.

[1398] I haven't seen you play since I've known you.

[1399] Oh, yeah, you got it.

[1400] I did a show I was right I did a show when we were in Denver I got to do for the High Plains Comedy Festival I got to go do a variety show after our show which was super fun and a bunch of people that were at our show came to that show too and I thought it was going to be kind of shitty because I hadn't played publicly in a really long time and it was super fun so I'm super looking forward to it but more than that if you like good music I would recommend being at this show.

[1401] I think, yeah.

[1402] I think it's going to, I'm excited.

[1403] I mean, Stephen.

[1404] How long was that?

[1405] Stephen.

[1406] Stephen.

[1407] Um, fuck.

[1408] I like this episode.

[1409] Yeah, that's a good one.

[1410] Yeah.

[1411] Um, thanks for listening.

[1412] I don't know.

[1413] I feel like we have to sign off.

[1414] Yeah.

[1415] Right.

[1416] Review, subscribe.

[1417] But it's like, well, you've already done that.

[1418] Yeah, you do that so much.

[1419] We appreciate that.

[1420] It's so nice.

[1421] Thank you guys for listening.

[1422] Thank you for being here with us and stay sexy.

[1423] And don't get murdered.

[1424] Bye Bye Elvis get out of the cat box Hey you want a cookie You want a cookie Oh that Yeah Elvis You want a cookie Okay You want a cookie All right He's like yeah What do I do I don't know how you keep asking me