#634 - Abby Martin

[0] Wow, we're alive, Abby Martin.

[1] How do you feel about that?

[2] I feel great.

[3] You've done that live shit before.

[4] Hell yeah.

[5] Hell yeah.

[6] You're free of the Russians.

[7] Free.

[8] Abby Martin, formerly of Russia today, the lone standing voice.

[9] You were like the person, everybody would say, Russia, today.

[10] Who the fuck's going to watch that?

[11] Well, that chick seems to be speaking her mind.

[12] Yeah.

[13] Gave a lot of credibility to the network when you have dissent against the funder.

[14] Yeah, that's a weird place to be, though, huh?

[15] Like that whole Crimea thing when you were protesting.

[16] test of what you were talking and speaking, I guess, in editorial fashion on your show about what was going on with the Russian invasion of Ukraine, the Crimea situation.

[17] They were like, well, you should go there yourself and see it.

[18] And you were like, fuck that.

[19] Was that when you were starting to think, like, man, maybe I should not be here?

[20] Well, the problem was waking up to a press release saying that I was already going to be shipped there without asking me. So that was one that shipped.

[21] Shipped.

[22] Yeah.

[23] So I just said, no, I'm not going to.

[24] I just didn't want it to be a vetted press experience for me. You know, I wanted to make my own contacts on the ground in Kiev.

[25] Plus it was like a war zone at the time.

[26] I mean, maybe not Crimea, but Ukraine, even though it's part of it.

[27] Yeah.

[28] So I wanted to get training and also make my own contacts instead of just going with like vetted Russians and just like going around Russians there and being like, look, everything's great.

[29] They're all happy.

[30] Like we vetted everyone already.

[31] So here's your experience.

[32] It has to be a weird gig working for Russia.

[33] Like the Russian sponsored news network in America, living in Washington, D .C. Like, what a...

[34] Block from the White House.

[35] Yeah.

[36] It's great.

[37] You're in the belly of the beast, and you're also working for the, quote, enemy, right?

[38] It's amazing.

[39] Whenever I meet guys at bars and they'd be like, what do you do?

[40] I'm like, I work for Putin's propaganda machine.

[41] I just, like, shut it down right there and just make everyone really uncomfortable.

[42] Yeah, they'd be like, I don't want to text this, check.

[43] I'll get on a list, you know?

[44] I think they would put you on some sort of a list, right?

[45] I'm assuming that everybody who's friends with you is on some sort of a list.

[46] Well, I think I don't like to live in fear of the NSA, but I think that obviously, you know, when you have John Kerry out there all the time fear -mongering about Russia today and bringing it up saying that using Russia today as an example why the U .S. State Department propaganda apparatus needs tens of millions of dollars more funding, which is called the Broadcasting Board of Governors.

[47] So it's Radio Free Europe and Voice of America, and it's what the U .S. does to put their propaganda.

[48] began out to the rest of the world.

[49] And so John Kerry's using Russia today as an example of how good Russia is at putting these counter -talking points out there and using it to get more money.

[50] So you know that they're paying attention and you know that they are really bothered by it, but if they did anything like sanction the station or tried to shut it down, it would look really fucking bad.

[51] They can't go that far.

[52] It just shows you that the world is really just these odd shades of gray.

[53] It's not really black and white because obviously Putin is a dictator.

[54] I mean, there can be no doubt at a certain point after a certain amount of assassinations and certain amount of taking oligarchs money and throwing them into jail and all the crazy shit that guy's done.

[55] He's essentially some sort of a new dictator, a new style of dictator.

[56] And yet Russia today reported on some real shit and gave you a lot of freedom to report.

[57] poured on real shit, which is weird, you know, it's, it's, it gets everybody in this strange predicament, like, do I, can I pay attention to Russia today?

[58] Do I, do I trust it?

[59] First of all, Putin's not a dictator because he was elected, but he did, but, but, but here's what's weird, is that he created this new position.

[60] So you have Mev and then you have Putin basically re -emerging, right?

[61] It's like Bush coming back and just being like, yo, yeah, I'm going to fucking just create this position and just come back into government.

[62] government.

[63] So he did kind of create this caveat to come back in and have like a giant sphere of influence still.

[64] But I mean, he does have a huge, he has huge support there.

[65] And I think in due part to this Cold War resurrection going on in the West.

[66] So when you have Russia being bombarded with attacks constantly, it kind of reinforces that homeland feel to the people in Russia.

[67] And they're like, fuck y 'all.

[68] You guys are just like constantly attacking us.

[69] So we're going to kind of maintain this strength here and really be nationalistic.

[70] So it's almost like help.

[71] Putin.

[72] What I don't understand about the whole thing is that we're not looking at communism.

[73] This is not the Cold War.

[74] So I don't understand what the U .S. is getting out of it when you have like an oligarchy and an uber capitalist nation that's basically in line economically with the U .S. I mean, it's run by oligarchs just like the U .S. is.

[75] We're not talking about like communism versus capitalism anymore.

[76] So what are we getting out of it to kind of continue to like create this dueling narrative?

[77] Well, I think, first of all, people are nervous about Putin.

[78] I mean, he's, he's a, when you look at him, you know, at least the image that's being betrayed through the media, he's this very macho guy.

[79] He's seeing him with his shirt off, riding horses and shit, and you have one guy, who was the guy recently that said Putin could be worth as much as $200 billion?

[80] When you look at all the money that he's stolen, all the different people's money that he's taken, all these oligarchs that he threw.

[81] in jail and takes their companies, they think that he can be worth as much as $200 billion.

[82] You know what?

[83] People have said that about Hugo Chavez and Maduro, too, and they take all of the nationalized, like, assets into account.

[84] And they just say that Maduro owns, like, billions of dollars with the wealth because of the nationalization of products.

[85] So I don't necessarily take that at face value and say that, like, Putin has, you know, is amassed this giant wealth that he has.

[86] The problem with the propaganda wars is that you don't know what's fucking true.

[87] Right.

[88] Of course.

[89] I mean.

[90] Investor.

[91] Putin could be the world's richest man with 200 billion stolen.

[92] Who's Hermitage Capital Management?

[93] I don't know.

[94] Bill Prouder, CEO of Hermitage Capital Management.

[95] It's so, so crazy.

[96] Scroll down, Jamie?

[97] Yeah.

[98] Wow.

[99] Wow.

[100] Yeah.

[101] What I love about the propaganda war, though, is that you have all these like establishment journalists who will immediately say that Putin, and he very may well have killed that dude, you know, I don't know.

[102] But to immediately come on the media and say that Putin's politically assassinate all these people in the street right in front of the Kremlin, but then you can never, ever question any sort of political assassinations that have taken place in this country.

[103] So it's like a way to just project all of these issues when it comes to either false flag terrorism or political assassinations or just suspicious deaths outwardly and then just say like well that's fucking bat shit if you ever apply that to our political system here well that would be sort of like if ran paul was assassinated if ran paul was running against Putin or against Obama and was it was like second term and he was you know campaigning and running against Obama and then was murdered and street that would be what it would be more like it's it's a lot more brutal and open than any of the political assassinations that may or may not have taken place under the United States?

[104] Like, can you think of a similar political assassination that you could attribute to the United States, like maybe Vince Foster, which allegedly was an assassination?

[105] I mean, all of the, you know, of course, obviously other than the Kennedy's MLK, which of course a court case found that the government was complicit in his assassination as well, a Memphis Tennessee court jury found that.

[106] But yeah, I mean, actually there was an embassy road bombing of a fucking just car bomb exploded and killed some leader and it came back to some complicity within the U .S. government and another government working together.

[107] So there has been shit like that happened, but yeah, I mean, nothing just as overt of, you know, that guy being just off in front of the Kremlin.

[108] Who was that guy?

[109] That guy was a very vocal supporter and he thought that his fame would protect him.

[110] That was what he thought.

[111] Mm -hmm.

[112] That didn't work.

[113] No. No. I don't know what the fuck is going on there, man. It's so, it's so, you know, it's hard.

[114] It's, and this is when people would give me shit all the time.

[115] Why aren't you talking about Russia every day?

[116] And it's like, look, it's extremely hard to talk about any country that you don't understand fully.

[117] I've never been there.

[118] And also, you're looking at a country that, you know, the Soviet Union collapsed not that long ago and they're figuring shit out.

[119] And so it's kind of, it's kind of like our more.

[120] moral imposition on the Middle East and being like, you guys are so barbaric and why haven't you evolved like to where we are?

[121] And it's like, well, first of all, there's so many different factors playing into that on a completely different political evolution.

[122] So it's just like, just hold your fucking like judgment for a second and try to understand how these countries are the way they are.

[123] Of course, you can, you know, you can call it like criminal activity in other countries, but it just seems like people have a lot of shit to say without really understanding all of these different dynamics that go into global affairs.

[124] including myself yeah I don't understand Russia at all it's a fascinating place though it's interesting to think that when we were kids when I was a kid we were always worried about going to war with Russia that was the big fear that was hanging over everyone's head it was like people really would go to sleep at night terrified of potential nuclear war and we always thought we were one incident away and then for a long time it went away you know when the Soviet Union collapsed Russia became this new sort of much more peaceful place it was it seemed like that was never going to happen again and now it's all ramping up again and now like they just sold missiles to Russia or to Iran rather it was in the news in the last couple weeks they lifted their embargo of selling what scares me is there are two proxy wars going on right now between the US and Russia Ukraine and Syria I mean that is happening that is real and now you know we have Ukraine, obviously the U .S. is openly endorsing and funding the Ukrainian government with lethal aid.

[125] And then you have Russia arming these rebels there.

[126] So basically the U .S. and Russia are fighting a war in Ukraine and then you have the Assad factor where Russia is funding Assad and then you have the U .S. openly funding these fucking jihadist Islamic terrorists essentially on the ground in Syria.

[127] That scares me because the war is already happening.

[128] It's just through different mediums.

[129] Jesus.

[130] I know.

[131] So you were working for Russia Today.

[132] First of all, how did you get that gig?

[133] How does one get a gig and like working for Russia today?

[134] And was there any hesitation on your part?

[135] So I came from anti -war activism and long story short, realized that media was really the platform that we needed to be fighting because I saw both parties selling the Iraq War.

[136] And I was like, what the fuck is going on?

[137] So then going back to Oakland and the police state just showed up in my backyard once Occupy Oakland happened.

[138] There was like seven police helicopters flying around the city at all times.

[139] There was tens of thousands.

[140] it felt like stormtroopers to respond to like 80 hippies camping out in a park.

[141] So I was like, this is fucking crazy.

[142] And then Russia today was the only legitimate news organization covering the Occupy movement.

[143] So during that time, the mainstream media was ridiculing Occupy so hard.

[144] And I just kept seeing videos pop up of like Russia today, this little like Russian with the green logo.

[145] And I was like, what is this network?

[146] Why is it the only one covering Occupy?

[147] I didn't really give a shit, though, because I was just like, this is great that this network is covering it.

[148] I don't know why, but that's amazing.

[149] So I became kind of the liaison in Oakland for RT and DC in New York and Moscow, and I was just like kind of conveying what I was seen.

[150] And a lot of my videos went viral from my website media routes that I was covering, you know, the police raids and them tear gassing people.

[151] One of my videos helped Scott Olson win his court case, the guy who got shot with the tear gas canistered his face, like in point blank range.

[152] Anyway, so RT just really liked the videos that I was doing and asked me to come there for an interview.

[153] And I just said there's no way I want to move to D .C. That sounds horrible.

[154] But I just couldn't pass up the opportunity.

[155] And they said that they wanted me to have a show and just do exactly what I was doing and just rant and have an international platform to do so.

[156] The only hesitation that I had, I mean, I talked to someone who initially interviewed me for RT and I asked her, why do you work here?

[157] Like, why is Russia today covering things that activists care about?

[158] Like, what is going on here?

[159] And she was like, look, if I have to work for the Russian government to tell the truth about what's happening in my country, that's what I'm going to do because we have to get the information out there.

[160] At that time, the cold, well, Russia was not in the news like militarily or like this crazy Cold War renaissance and resurrection in terms of like propaganda wars.

[161] So at that time, I was like, that's great.

[162] And I mean, the editorial freedom that RT gives is completely unmatched.

[163] And of course people are going to levy that that gross generalization that everything on the network's propaganda.

[164] The problem is everything's propaganda.

[165] Every fucking thing is propaganda.

[166] Tell me one media source that is not used in some way to push a viewpoint or a bias.

[167] Everyone has bias.

[168] There is no such thing as like neutrality.

[169] You know, everyone comes with an opinion.

[170] Everyone comes with a bias.

[171] And I'd rather know the bias, which is Russia today.

[172] You may not get the truth about Russia from going to Russia and watching Russia today.

[173] But you will get the fucking truth about the U .S. government.

[174] And you look at the truth about corporations because it's state -funded so you can talk about those things without worrying about advertisers and sponsorship.

[175] So I always tell people navigate around the bias.

[176] No, I'm not going to tell people that there is no bias.

[177] That's fucking stupid.

[178] Of course there is.

[179] It's Russia today.

[180] It's funded by the Russian government.

[181] So there's a lot of factors that go into that, but I'd much rather know the bias blatantly in front of my face than not know the tens of thousands of special interests and conflicts of interest going into the entire corporate media apparatus and all these other agencies.

[182] I mean, and that's even scarier because you have people on those channels that have been fired for criticizing the U .S. government, and it's not even state -funded media.

[183] It's just corporate media.

[184] The other thing about what you were doing that I thought was really interesting was you weren't, like, easily definable.

[185] You know, there's liberals and there's conservatives, and they're on television, and they kind of stick to a narrative because it makes their career more defined.

[186] like who they are you know if you look at like the best examples are the really ridiculous Republican guys like Hannity guys like they're they're they're putting on a show like that the Bill O 'Reilly's those guys are putting on a show whether they realize it or not like you could you will know their opinions like long in advance before you ever hear it from their mouth because you know what they're gonna be it's it's real simple cut and dry there's gonna be no surprises no subtlety there's no nuance there's no consideration of all the objective facts that go into all these different things and objective reasoning.

[187] There's none of that.

[188] It's just this is a Republican.

[189] This is a Democrat.

[190] This is Alan Combs.

[191] And he's going to argue with this guy because this guy is Joe Scarborough and he's a no -nonsense Republican.

[192] Who has a dead intern that has not explained.

[193] What happened?

[194] Joe Scarborough, who used to be like a congressman and one day his intern was just found dead in his office.

[195] What?

[196] Yeah.

[197] And he was like having an affair with her.

[198] I don't know.

[199] I swear to fucking God.

[200] Wait a minute.

[201] He was having an affair with her?

[202] That's what they say.

[203] Who are they?

[204] That's that fucking they.

[205] That's what they say.

[206] They say, the experts say that, Joe.

[207] See what you can find, Jamie.

[208] Yeah, find that shit.

[209] Because every time Joe Scarborough will like tweet something out, all the responses are like, what about your dead intern Joe?

[210] Like, no one has let him live it down.

[211] So when did this take place?

[212] 2001.

[213] Okay, so it was a long time ago.

[214] Yeah, but 14 years.

[215] And now, do you know that?

[216] Lori.

[217] Office worker.

[218] His co -anchor, whatever, on that show, Morning Joe is Brzezinski's daughter.

[219] Did you know that?

[220] Is a big new Brzezinski's daughter?

[221] Who?

[222] Who's Brzezinski?

[223] He is like an oligarch, like neoliberal strategist who wrote a book called The Grand Chess Board.

[224] It's like this giant like overlooking policy base.

[225] I mean, Obama's read his book.

[226] He's very influential global leader in terms of like policymaking and foreign policy.

[227] And he's kind of like an overseer of a lot of political ideology and thought that has been applied.

[228] Brazinski's daughter it just shows you the incestual nature of the whole corporate media that you have like Andrea Mitchell and all these people have really close connections to the political establishment and very high places.

[229] The Gary Condit thing everybody knew about.

[230] Everybody heard about that scandal.

[231] Chandra Levy, she disappeared, she found was turned up murdered and he was never charged and it was all very creepy.

[232] I never heard a word of this.

[233] So she was 28 years old.

[234] She was dead.

[235] She was found dead.

[236] No foul play or any outward indication of suicide.

[237] Well, what does that mean?

[238] Right.

[239] Well, she was just found on the ground and they said that she like hit her head on the desk and just died.

[240] It makes no sense, really.

[241] Really makes no sense.

[242] How convenient.

[243] She was found slumped next to a desk in the floor of the Republican Congressman Joe Scarborough's Fort Walton Beach office where Lori had served as consultant services.

[244] So how do they know that she, is there any evidence at all that they had an affair or is it just bullshit talk or just talk rather just talk yeah hmm what they say that's what they say that's what they say that's what they say yeah well it's just crazy yeah it's just weird right i mean who just dies at 28 with like no i mean what a bummer what happened did she have a heart attack like when when someone does die like that it's all like how does the person who is guilty or accused, rather, how do they react?

[245] Right.

[246] You know, are they bummed out that that person's gone, or are they immediately like, like, it wasn't me?

[247] Tell you one thing, definitely wasn't me. I have a feeling how Joe reacted that day.

[248] This is very strange.

[249] It is.

[250] I didn't know that.

[251] It is.

[252] Okay.

[253] But I think that when you're looking at RT, and I wasn't easily definable, because my whole angle was coming outside of party lines because I'm so disgusted with both parties and I think that that's why people are so disillusioned because they they're watching the media and they just think that there's just two camps two parties that, you know, and it's bullshit and both are perpetuating really disastrous policies on a domestic and foreign policy front they're indistinguishable when it comes to war so.

[254] Look at this.

[255] Look at this.

[256] They found some shit?

[257] The medical examiner the medical examiner Dr. Michael Berkland said She had a past medical history that was significant, but it remains to be seen whether that played a role in her death.

[258] Soon after, a member of the immediate family reached out, rejected out of hand that Lori had any significant medical problem.

[259] She was, in fact, quite an athlete, having recently run an 8K in a very respectable time, and she belonged to the Northwest Florida Track Club.

[260] As a result of the mandatory autopsy, however, it was deemed inconclusive.

[261] Dr. Berkland ordered more specific toxicology tests.

[262] the results were expected by the middle of the following week.

[263] And the first or second day of August, Dr. Berklin commented on the time.

[264] This turns over several puzzle pieces in the case of her death and reveals more of the picture.

[265] Now, listen to this.

[266] Berklin turns out as a very interesting background himself.

[267] Recently relocated to Florida as a matter of public record that Dr. Berklin's medical license in the state of Missouri was revoked in 1998 as the result of Berklin reporting false information regarding a brain tissue sample.

[268] in a 1996 autopsy report.

[269] Berklin does not deny the charges.

[270] It's also a matter of public record he was suspended from his position as medical examiner in the state of Florida in July of 1999.

[271] Motherfucker.

[272] And then look at down below, it says basically that she would have never killed herself.

[273] I'm sorry, was it a suicide or not?

[274] Like, I thought that they ruled it out.

[275] What is going on here?

[276] Jesus Christ.

[277] Look, it says Lori died as a result of a blow to the head.

[278] Because of an undiagnosed heart.

[279] Condition caused her to collapse and fall That's what I'm saying Hitting her head on the desk Sounds very sketchy It's super hard to kill somebody By hitting their head in the desk Like you gotta really Fucking whack your head Like it can happen Boy, but it's not likely It's if you fall and just bang your head off the desk That's where your skull's for Right Your skulls can't hear you When you talk You're not on a microphone Abby's friends getting a little excited here She falls Hits her head Dies This shady fucking medical examiner the whole thing is weird isn't it boy someone needs to look into that so cold files those those TV shows they bust everybody need to look into that but there's not much you could do after all this time you know we're talking about like 14 years later yeah it's still sketch though well you ever look into the Vince Foster I read a book The Strange Death of Vince Foster that was the guy that was involved in what it was called Whitewater was the the Clinton scandal, the real estate scandal the Clintons were involved in.

[280] He had some knowledge of that.

[281] He was found, he committed suicide, but he still had the gun in his hand, which never happens.

[282] The gun goes flying out of everyone's hand.

[283] When you shoot yourself, the gun goes flying.

[284] He still had the gun in his hand.

[285] There was a lot of blood missing from his body, but almost none at the seat in the crime.

[286] They're almost absolutely convinced that his body was moved, and that somehow or another, he was moved to the spot where they found him.

[287] But yet, that was it.

[288] guy killed himself shot himself in the head here's the gun we're good we're good we're good that's insane man yeah well i think if you're one of those cats that's willing to send people to war if you're and you have to be to be a president almost every single i guess let's say every single president responsible for someone's death even even you know think of like the most i guess jimmy carter would be the most peaceful guy he had to be responsible for someone dying right yeah Gerald Ford had to be responsible for someone dying.

[289] Reagan, for sure.

[290] They're all the response.

[291] I guess it's not the hard of just fucking, this guy is going to sing, and he's going to fuck up everything, and he's going to ruin America.

[292] Let's just take them out.

[293] Well, perfect example of this is the anthrax attacks.

[294] Have you heard what the fuck is going on with this?

[295] No. Oh, my God, man. All right.

[296] So first of all, when the anthrax letter, you know what happened, right?

[297] We'll explain it for folks who don't know.

[298] So right after 9 -11, the nation was in a complete, like, traumatized state of hysteria and fear, right?

[299] So literally, like, weeks later, I think it was, like, October, maybe even late September.

[300] I think it was October, though.

[301] The first anthrax letters were sent in the mail, and they said, like, death to America, death to Israel, like, on these letters.

[302] And they were sent oddly enough to, like, Tom Dashel and other, like, people who were opposed to the Patriot Act at the time.

[303] and also it killed five postal workers.

[304] It got sent to, like, reporters and congressman's office, and five postal workers ended up dying.

[305] Some of them were fake.

[306] Basically, what came out after Cheney and Rumsfeld and all these assholes went all over the media and started tying anthrax to Saddam immediately, and immediately saying that it was all Islamic terrorism, weeks later it came out that it wasn't Islamic terrorism.

[307] After, you know, I have Colin Powell holding up the vial of anthrax at the U .N., Like using all of this to connect to Saddam Hussein, saying that there's, like, anthrax labs there.

[308] And you have Judith Miller at the New York Times basically printing like all this bullshit about anthrax and bioterror coming from Iraq all at the same time.

[309] Then it comes out that it came.

[310] It was a high grade like anthrax strain, the Ames strain that came from a U .S. bioweapons lab within our own country, within our own government facilities.

[311] then they blame this guy called Stephen Hatfield for years they blame this guy who worked within the lab and it was like case closed they basically ruined this guy's fucking life they made him a person of interest multiple times John Ashcroft came out there and he said this is a person of interest they never said what evidence they had against him years later after everyone like just thinks that it's this guy it comes out that it's not this guy he had to settle with the US government taxpayer funded settlement of like I don't know like six million million dollars for being falsely accused as the anthrax perpetrator for years and years.

[312] You know, they're stalking this guy.

[313] They're like threatening his family, searching through his garbage, makes him, you know, ruins his life essentially.

[314] And then next, they blame this other guy named Bruce Ivins.

[315] Once again, he had, like, there is no actual evidence that this guy did it.

[316] So Bruce Evans was just another guy who worked within, he was like a specialist in anthrax, and they tried to pin it on him, tried to threaten his hospitalized daughter, bribe her, searched his trash, like stalked him for months and months.

[317] And he was like, he was a toxicologist as well.

[318] He ended up dying, committing suicide by taking an overdose of Tylenol, which is actually a really insane, horrible way to die.

[319] And it would toxify your liver take like three days to die.

[320] And that would be really awful for someone who's a toxicologist and like knows how to kill yourself quickly.

[321] Why would you kill yourself that way?

[322] way.

[323] And then, so that was case closed, right?

[324] So here we are with no actual proof that Bruce Evans really did the anthrax.

[325] All of his coworkers are like he didn't do it.

[326] There is no proof he would never have done this.

[327] He was helping the government with the investigation.

[328] Here you have, fast forward a couple of years, the FBI agent in charge of the anthrax case, this just came out a couple weeks ago.

[329] The FBI agent is now suing the government.

[330] He's suing the FBI because he's saying you purposefully hid evidence that proved that Bruce Evans was not the perpetrator.

[331] There's exculpatory evidence that shows that he was not.

[332] I am suing you guys for fucking up the investigation.

[333] You put all these, like, low -level interns to run this investigation, and it was totally botched from the get -go.

[334] Obama administration shut this down.

[335] He shut down the case.

[336] He said they didn't want to reopen the anthrax case.

[337] Okay, best -case scenario on the anthrax attacks is that there's still a bioweapons terrorist running around free.

[338] That's the best -case scenario.

[339] Worse -case scenario is that the government is completely.

[340] And either way, the government's complicit because they are not investigating who the actual perpetrators or wanting to find them.

[341] So whoever did it is out there?

[342] Yes.

[343] Whoa.

[344] Yeah, I had not looked into that at all.

[345] It's almost just too much shit going on.

[346] You can't pay attention to everything.

[347] And if you do pay attention to it, you can't keep paying attention to it because some new shit comes on.

[348] Yeah.

[349] But I mean, this is huge.

[350] This is the U .S. government being complicit in a bioterror attack.

[351] We went to Dunkin.

[352] It's unbelievable.

[353] Duncan Trussle and I went to the Center for Disease Control in Galveston, the big lab that they have where they keep all the anthrax and all the Ebola locked behind four foot thick concrete walls and bulletproof glass and everybody wears spacesuits.

[354] It's fucking creepy.

[355] It's so creepy.

[356] And they're working on this stuff and trying to find cures for it.

[357] I did this episode of that sci -fi show I did where we talked about weaponized diseases and viruses.

[358] And I talked to guys from the Soviet Union and talked to guys that used to run the weapons division of the Soviet Union, the weaponized disease version.

[359] And they were telling me they had trenches of anthrax, like trenches.

[360] They had enough anthrax to kill the entire country.

[361] Why?

[362] Exactly.

[363] I don't know.

[364] I don't know.

[365] I don't understand it.

[366] I mean, I think during the Cold War when everything was really crazy, I think they were just ramping it up.

[367] And everybody was preparing for mutual self -destruction.

[368] I guess my biggest question about it is why was there no, like, if the government had nothing to do with it, why botched the investigation so hard?

[369] Why hide evidence to just try to pin it on this guy?

[370] Why was the Bush administration and press people on CIPRO, which is like a really intense antibiotic for anthrax strain before the attacks even happened?

[371] They were?

[372] Yeah.

[373] And why?

[374] Who gave it to them?

[375] Exactly.

[376] Exactly.

[377] Exactly.

[378] These are all questions that I have that I've never been addressed.

[379] And also, why would the letters be sent to people who are opposing the Patriot Act?

[380] And also, why would they frame Muslims in the letters?

[381] Like, nothing about it makes any sense at all.

[382] Very strange, man. Very strange.

[383] John Ashcroft was a, and still is a creepy motherfucker.

[384] All of them are.

[385] Somebody sent me a vinyl album of John Ashcroft was, Ashcroft, was in some sort of a religious band where they were singing religious music, like some Christian band back in the day.

[386] I just saw that.

[387] Yeah.

[388] And he, he had a song.

[389] Did you ever see The Let the Eagle Soar?

[390] Oh, my God.

[391] Did you ever see it?

[392] Let's watch it.

[393] Let's watch it.

[394] Let's watch it.

[395] It's the idea that this maniac somehow or another got into office, if you've never seen it, if you've seen the guy sing the Bank of America song, the guy was like super psyched to work for Bank of America.

[396] You ever seen the Bank of America song?

[397] It's equally, maybe more creepy.

[398] But the Ashcroft, at least the Bank of American guy, is just working out of bank.

[399] And he loves Bank of America in some strange way.

[400] Remember when John Ashcroft hid the titties of the Lady Justice of Purple Drap?

[401] Yeah, he was a fucking creepy.

[402] Like Haley Bob Comet style, like the cult, the purple velvet.

[403] So bizarre, man. Let's hear him.

[404] Let's hear him.

[405] Do you, you've heard Carl Rove rapping, right?

[406] I'm MC Rowe and I'm...

[407] What?

[408] Yeah, it's super weird.

[409] Really?

[410] Yeah.

[411] No. Let's go to Ashcroft first.

[412] Carl Rove wrapped?

[413] Yeah, it's disgusting.

[414] He just looks like porky pig on stage just running around.

[415] This eagle's place is in the sky.

[416] Do we have the video?

[417] We need to see this.

[418] He's like it's some like pharmaceutical.

[419] No, like some like think tank.

[420] Oh my God.

[421] Oh, she's cried a bit more what we've put her through.

[422] Wow.

[423] I didn't realize that he actually sang this much.

[424] Oh, yeah.

[425] I had no idea.

[426] Doors.

[427] In the do's the damps, the watch fires of a nation, that we started she's far too young to die die she's not yet begun to fly it's time to let this is five minutes long it's so bad too it seems like he must have wrote it right let the oh like she's never swore before how is she different Is she doing a parody?

[428] No, no, no. I want to know how her soaring this time is different than her other soaring.

[429] How can she soar like she's never soared before?

[430] It's fucking soaring, okay, dude?

[431] It's not like complex math.

[432] She's just flying around.

[433] Yeah, she's a fucking bird, bro.

[434] I mean, what is she doing so different, you fuck?

[435] Let her soar like she's never soared before.

[436] What did she do?

[437] Is she getting crazy?

[438] She's flying down like two inches above the ground and then back up to the sky and then down again.

[439] She's soaring like she's never soared before.

[440] This bitch is crazy.

[441] Look at him.

[442] That's a mentally ill person.

[443] Right.

[444] That's what that is.

[445] That's a person who has a mental illness.

[446] First of all, he's socially retarded.

[447] He doesn't realize that this is a ridiculous thing that he's doing.

[448] He doesn't realize how awful it is in terms of like the artistic value of his work.

[449] Right.

[450] Unbelievably bad music.

[451] And he's a fucking creep.

[452] Rapping it up.

[453] All those things together.

[454] God damn.

[455] So here's Carl Rove rapping.

[456] What has that?

[457] this radio television you know those stupid the correspondent dinner that everyone goes to and it's like a giant circle jerk besides fuck we just want to ask you some questions about a lot of people want to ask me a question oh look in hair this is so creepy like what do you like to do for fun when you're not working besides fuck dudes besides skin babies do you have any hobbies like to go home Jerk off, jerk off, actually.

[458] Tear the tops off small animals.

[459] Is that what he said, tear the tops off small animals?

[460] Is that what he said, tear the tops off small animals?

[461] That's what he said.

[462] The thing is he's not joking.

[463] Isn't it?

[464] This is like, okay, so do you actually have any hobbies that you can...

[465] Other than tearing the tops off small animals?

[466] I'm a practicing philatelist.

[467] Oh.

[468] A practicing philatelist.

[469] What does that mean?

[470] with stamps.

[471] God, I hope it's stamps.

[472] This is so awkward.

[473] Who's the dude, area, you know?

[474] Probably some, like, douchebag journalist who's like, this is like the highlight of his life.

[475] What's that?

[476] There are two guys from whose lines.

[477] Oh, really?

[478] Oh, yeah.

[479] So you just take stamps, like from letters or?

[480] This is so fucking weird.

[481] You might want to try the booze.

[482] Hey, uh, hey, uh, I think we are ready.

[483] So, kick it.

[484] Okay, here he goes.

[485] Well, they brought a black on stage for this?

[486] What the fuck?

[487] This is so bad.

[488] Oh God, I can't.

[489] I can't.

[490] This is just the comedian, though.

[491] Right, this is not even, yeah.

[492] I had a weird memory of him actually rapping, I guess.

[493] Maybe he does later.

[494] He's so hideous.

[495] They're really getting into it.

[496] Look at him dancing.

[497] Black guy does not want any part of this.

[498] Look at him.

[499] He's like barely moving.

[500] They totally made him come up there just because he's black.

[501] I know.

[502] He realizes while he's up there, he's like, I know why they brought me up here.

[503] These fucks.

[504] It's not Wayne Brady, is it?

[505] His Wayne Brady was on whose lines is it anywhere, but the contrast is not so good.

[506] I hate to be racist, but we can't tell if it's Wayne Brady.

[507] No, it's not Wayne Brady.

[508] How many chins does Carl Rove have?

[509] Well, it's just one sloping, bulbous, cancerous tumor -like chin.

[510] This is so painful.

[511] Yeah.

[512] Well, he only says MC Rove.

[513] Yeah.

[514] Wow.

[515] Sorry to put you through that.

[516] Those press dinners are just strange.

[517] They're horrible.

[518] Really weird.

[519] It's like the antithesis of what journalists should be doing, you know, going and like, I don't even know, just going and honoring politicians and schmoozing with them and rubbing elbows with them.

[520] It's just strange.

[521] They get co -opted, right?

[522] Oh, yeah.

[523] Well, they must.

[524] I remember when Dennis Miller said that he wouldn't make jokes about George Bush.

[525] And he goes, she's my friend.

[526] He gets a pass.

[527] like it's a pass like you're a fucking comic man you're a comic and he's the president you can't goof on him at all well it's just like when Eddie Murphy said he wasn't going to make fun of Bill Cosby well I think he just didn't want to do a sketch which is kind of understandable if you're Eddie Murphy especially because he's fucking he's talking about it while he's got his foot pushing against his own closet you know trying to keep that bitch shut What skeleton fingers are poking out of it That's true I mean he's a guy who's been arrested with transvestites Maybe you might want to shut the fuck up about a scandal You know, I mean It just doesn't seem like a smart thing to do If you've got a little dirt That you're trying to cover up your own stuff You might want to shut the fuck up The Cosby thing was a very dark one though It just keeps going I've worked at this place that told me that Cosby wanted the first of all they wanted people to watch him eat he wanted people sit and watch him eat and he wanted the security guard to tuck him into bed at night like the security no not security guard at the casino they wanted him to tuck him into bed at night like he has all these bizarre demands that he wants people to do they said that he was very strange they said he was very strange like you got this weird feeling around him like you never really there was no real connection with him It was entirely about you being in the presence of Bill Cosby And a bunch of stuff that you had to do In order to make Cosby happy And then, you know, he would leave and everybody would go like, whoa The thing that's so creepy about is that he could have fucked all these women, I'm sure But instead he wanted to rape their lifeless bodies He wanted to rape like a dead body Allegedly That's allegedly sorry, you know, when it comes to be 30 women When it gets 100 then we could say He did it You want to hear a really creepy story about Cosby?

[528] So he interviewed this, or this woman from AP interviewed him years ago before Hannibal Burris resurrected the serial rapist shit.

[529] And the woman said he was super condescending and crazy and fucking nuts because he's Bill Cosby and he thinks he's God.

[530] And after the interview was over, he was like, I'm going to send you fruit to let you know what I thought of the interview.

[531] He told this woman, and she was like, all right, you fucking weirdo, like just forgot about it.

[532] So a couple weeks later, AP, AP gets a box.

[533] for this woman like he sent this to a news organization and it was directed to her and she opened the box and it was just a dead dried up apple and it said like this is what i thought of the interview bill cosby whoa what did she ask him about that was so upsetting nothing no she probably just didn't treat him with reverence exactly like the king but but also think about how long it takes to get an apple that's rotted he must have like sent an intern out and he was like go dig in the dumpster and find me a rotted apple that should takes like months to rot.

[534] You can put an apple in your fridge for like six months and it won't rot.

[535] That's a really good point.

[536] Like he is, you gotta find a rotten apple.

[537] Yeah.

[538] And set it to a news already.

[539] I think that those guys that were around a long time ago like that, those guys were, like, today, almost anything you do get scrutinized and gets criticized by not just the press, but like, say if you were a Bill Cosby type character, like say like Kevin Hart, who's a. a huge, famous comedian.

[540] If he did a bunch of really creepy shit or said a bunch of really creepy shit, people could talk about it on social media and it would start chitter chatter.

[541] But back then, you could kind of get away with doing anything and then the publicist would just hush it up.

[542] So, you know, I don't, I'm certainly not exonerating him.

[543] I'm not making any excuses for him.

[544] But I wonder what the climate was like when he was famous in the 60s, in the 70s, in the 80s.

[545] like he was a giant huge fucking superstar and I wonder like how much enabling was going on how many people just would cover up for anything that happened and Ray Dunovan like you know just going and sweep up all your problems and if you're a creepy old guy that's just not connected at all yeah to regular people yeah he hasn't been a regular person I think Richard Pryor and him were like the two most famous black comedians and the first famous black comedians in the world and and he was he was he was was a god at that time and definitely i think there's a conspiracy of silence in hollywood when you look at things like jimmy saville from the bbc he was just like straight up raping little children yeah and he was like visiting hospitals he was like fucking ordained by the royal family to be like you know a lord or whatever and he's just treated like royalty and then you have gion gamesi in um the cbc in canada the radio host of q yeah that's a weird one punch women randomly yeah what does that guy's deal.

[546] He would, he would say that it was like bondage or playing.

[547] BDSM, yeah.

[548] So this is, I'm super fascinated with this because it just goes back to how these things are able to happen for so long and why they're covered up.

[549] And Gian Gamesi is a really interesting case because he's like this, you know, attractive, like, kind of hipster looking guy who's like had like rape culture debates and like, is like a feminist, you know, and like puts himself off as like this guy who really cares about women's issues.

[550] Super sensitive.

[551] Super sensitive.

[552] So then it came out that he just, like, would coerce these women who he met at book events and, like, makes them feel special, of course.

[553] And then they, he would go on a date with them and randomly just punch him in the face.

[554] Just fucking sock him in the face.

[555] Or, like, he would just, like, be hooking up with someone and then just, like, rape them with his hand.

[556] Like, and they'd just be like, what the fuck, like, start strangling them and just, like, rape them.

[557] I like, how you doing?

[558] Yeah.

[559] And then what's...

[560] his hand -miming thing going.

[561] And then he has this bear that he would turn around and be like, my bear can't see this.

[562] What?

[563] Yeah.

[564] Whoa, whoa, and many women had the same story.

[565] Like, he would have this stuffed animal bear and be like, this bear, my little bear can't see me. What the fuck?

[566] What if the bear had a camera on it or something?

[567] Yeah, dude, it's all sick.

[568] And that's the thing is, how did no one know this?

[569] And the thing is they did.

[570] You're telling me that people at BBC didn't know that Jimmy Saville was like, why were they bringing all these little kids and like, you know what I mean?

[571] just like, don't tell me that you didn't know what was going on.

[572] Well, like the Sandusky case, the Sandusky case where, I mean, everyone kind of knew that guy was a child rapist.

[573] Everyone knew it.

[574] Yeah, exactly.

[575] It was just this weird thing where no one was saying anything.

[576] Everybody wanted to keep their job.

[577] And he had reached this prominent position of power where it was almost, you know, no one knew what exactly to do.

[578] See, that guy was just a coach.

[579] Didn't someone see him raping someone?

[580] And then they're like, oh, I made it pretend like I didn't see that one.

[581] Yeah, no, he, he, he was.

[582] reported it and i don't know exactly what happened but that's where the whole paterno joe paterno thing ended so awfully where joe paterno was like a god in that state i mean he was the man at penn state and when it all went down joe paterno got sick like really quickly afterwards and then died of cancer he was dead within right that was really crazy yeah he was dead quick after that i mean He must have been devastating to him as a person to realize, like, how horribly he had fucked up and let this monster be amongst him for so long and not do anything about it.

[583] I'm just happy that Bill Cosby's alive to see these women coming out because I really do believe that he raped them.

[584] And I think it's great that, you know, unlike Jimmy Saville, who's just dead and, like, no one, you know, he was just glorified until he died.

[585] And then it comes out after that he's a fucking pedophile.

[586] Well, the Savile thing is very strange, too, because there's this thing going on right now in the U .K., where they're investigating all of these royals and all these politicians, all these people that are involved in child pornography and child rape, and you're aware of all this stuff?

[587] Like, what exactly is going on with that?

[588] I don't know enough to really lay it down, but there is a lot of weird sex ring, like, child pornography and stuff going on with, with British royalty and also politicians.

[589] It's really strange, and I haven't really dug into it.

[590] And Clinton's tied to it.

[591] That was a different one.

[592] That was Clinton was tied to this other guy, and he had spent time at this guy's compound.

[593] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[594] This guy was getting child prostitutes and, like, underage prostitutes.

[595] It's insane.

[596] What the fuck, man. It's insane.

[597] It just shows you, like, this, all this culture of suppression.

[598] Like, did John Ashcrofts the world?

[599] Let the egosore.

[600] All that is like, you're creating a diamond.

[601] You know, you're creating something.

[602] This weird culture of suppression that these people operate under by being this fake thing.

[603] This operating politician, this operating president, this operating game show host, talk show host, you know, whatever the thing is that you're pretending to be, Joe Scarborough or all these different characters.

[604] Not a murderer, yeah.

[605] Yeah, they're not themselves.

[606] Bill Cosby, who was always Mr. Clean.

[607] There's that famous bit that Eddie Murphy did about Bill Cosby calling him up and telling him to stop swearing.

[608] And Richard Price saying, do the people laugh?

[609] Do you get paid?

[610] Tell Bill to have a Coke and a smile and shut the fuck up.

[611] And that is a real incident.

[612] Those Bill Cosby used to call comedians.

[613] He did it to Chris Rock.

[614] He would tell them to stop.

[615] Pull your pants up, black people.

[616] What a fucking.

[617] How about stop braving people?

[618] Yeah, just stop braving people.

[619] and drugging them too don't even drug them don't rape them or drug them either or I'll still drug them I'll just jerk off on them no that's still kind of rape you fucking asshole psychotic dude it's also what kind of a person gets what kind of a person sees a naked person like completely and just can do that can just what a necrophiliac I don't know yeah what the fuck man yeah that's what's so crazy about it I would love to somebody took Bill Cosby and gave him like Ibogaine or some you know some sort of psychedelic and made him talk about it I've always said that if someone actually wants to do like functional terrorism they should just dose the punch bowl at the White House like correspondence dinner with acid I mean that would be like a really good strategy if you were to if you wanted to fuck with the establishment not that not that I would ever or suggesting that even it's just a theoretical we lived in a different dimension and the same human beings existed in that dimension.

[620] It'd be interesting to see what would take place.

[621] But then again, here's D .C., which overwhelmingly passed marijuana legalization.

[622] So why is everyone such douchebags still, if everyone smokes weed?

[623] That's the people, though.

[624] That's not the politicians.

[625] So how about this fucking Chris Christie fuck, this fat slob?

[626] What happened?

[627] He said that if he becomes president, he will actively go after all the states that have legalized marijuana, and he would put a stop to it.

[628] And he cites something about the the cites some nonsense about addiction addiction which what difference is addiction mean if no one's dying you dumb ass like you know what people die from being fat as fuck right okay you're fat as fuck right 300 ,000 people die in this country as a direct result of obesity every year it's like right below cigarettes and this guy is talking about I mean you want to talk about the kettle calling the pot black like dude look at yourself You are a walking poster boy for American excess.

[629] People that are starving in other countries can look upon you and you are a symbol of American greed.

[630] Crack down and not permit legal marijuana as president.

[631] Well, guess what, fucker?

[632] That's why you'll never be president.

[633] When you've got a giant percentage of America that believes in personal freedom, especially when it comes to something as innocuous as marijuana, when you can die from fucking Tylenol, like you just said, You could be a goddamn toxicologist and die from Tylenol.

[634] No one's ever died from pot.

[635] A lot of people thought they were dying.

[636] These people are just going against the current.

[637] The gay marriage thing in marijuana, it's like, dude, you guys are fighting a losing battle.

[638] Like, what are you doing?

[639] This is not where the fight needs to be.

[640] Dude, look up Jared Polis and the DEA.

[641] I forget her name, but it is one of the best clips I've ever seen because it shows you, you've seen that, right?

[642] Where she's just like, he's like his crack more damaging than marijuana.

[643] and she's like, I don't know.

[644] Yeah, this is amazing.

[645] Yeah, play this.