#845 - TJ Dillashaw, Duane Ludwig & Bas Rutten

[0] Yes Slow down Twain Slow down You have an orange watch You are a fucking What is the orange thing I've always been attracted to orange I grew up in Colorado So the Broncos Orange has always been around me Ah So the favorite Ninja Turtle At the time Was Michelangelo With the orange And then really no Other fighters or gyms Were using orange So I wanted to make sure I did my own thing That is your own thing Yes sir Orange is I mean it's like I absolutely love orange I see some orange At a store A crowded people I see an orange shirt My eye just goes So if there's a fruit bowl and there's an orange right next to a banana.

[1] Ground the orange.

[2] Grown the orange.

[3] DJ, what is it like being around this guy?

[4] Oh, it's intense, man. I love it.

[5] You know, life's full of energy.

[6] You know, you can't be calm around him because he's got enough energy for both of us, you know?

[7] Yeah, no, he's a madman.

[8] We worked out today.

[9] And he's in the middle of, like, training.

[10] He just gets excited and starts hitting his pass together.

[11] I love it.

[12] I don't ever have to do road work because of this guy, you know?

[13] I mean, we hit Mitz for so long and so hard that I'm in too good of shape already, you know?

[14] That's interesting.

[15] Like, all the footwork drills and everything, I never really thought of that.

[16] Like, you probably don't have to do road work.

[17] It would be too much.

[18] I do too much training as it is.

[19] If I started doing road work, I think I'd over -trained myself.

[20] That's fascinating.

[21] You have to kind of regulate that, huh?

[22] Like, there's a standard model that, like, a lot of fighters fall, and roadwork is a big part of that.

[23] But you think with all the stuff that you do, if you did that as well, it might be too much?

[24] It'd be too many hours put into the day.

[25] I'm just too tired by the time I get home, or I'd have to, I mean, I could do it out of camp, you know, just to keep my mind.

[26] and kind of get some Zen going, but during camp it's too much.

[27] I train too much to be able to have to run as well.

[28] It's funny because everybody's got a different sort of way of doing it.

[29] Like Jeremy Stevens was on the podcast recently, and one of the things that he was saying is that he really ramped up his running to the point where that, what he was saying is that having like this long endurance base really helps him and fights because he knows that he is always going to recover, he can always push further and harder.

[30] To me, he seems like a kind of fighter that does need to, build on the cardio anyways you know i feel like each person's body's going to react differently to training and i'm someone that has endless cardio i feels like when i'm fighting and training so i need to stay more a little more fast twitch and i'm always putting size on instead of losing it and i feel like stevens has been trying to drop weight and get smaller and it helps with his weight cut i'm sure yeah i think it helps with his weight cut but i think with him it's also like a mental thing too he wants to break guys like he's such an aggressive guy like that's a big part of like his training is just being able to like have those extra gallons in the gas tank absolutely i mean i think that's what's kind hard it's hard for me to run because of my mind so crazy though too like i'll go i'm all over the place i'd rather hit mitts and be aggressive i'm too too aggressive of a person i guess well we were talking before the podcast about our friend cam haines who just ran 200 miles and we're like that shit is not good for you no way no way it's not good your body's not supposed to do that it might be good for his brain though because he's so fucking crazy like he needs to know that he can do something like that he ran for 78 hours that's why i want to hunt with him yeah because i just know it's like my dad when i grew up hunting we'll go hike 100 miles in a week to go go out the back country and have a backpack and sleep out in the middle of woods i just feel like that's how karenman haynes would do it you know just as hard as possible just to just to do it yeah um my friend adam green tree from australia came over flew over to uh america uh last week went to montana and then hiked some crazy amount of miles into the mountains, camped out, went in deeper and deeper because he kept encountering wolves and grizzly bears, camped out there, shot an elk, and for the last four days has been packing out this elk by himself.

[31] Wow.

[32] Four days.

[33] So if you've never shot an elk or you've ever seen an elk before, folks, an elk could weigh somewhere around 800 pounds, which is probably around 400 pounds of meat.

[34] that he's packing out.

[35] So four days of 100 pounds on his back.

[36] Well, you're in your hiking.

[37] You can't carry it all out.

[38] You've got to quarter it out.

[39] So not only say you hike five miles on your back, you go back and get the rest of the elk to hike that five miles again.

[40] So you're hiking the same trail, you know, two, three, four times, depending on how big the elk is, you know, when you quarter it out.

[41] Yeah, and I'm pretty sure he said he hiked 12 hours.

[42] So that could easily be, you know, who knows how many miles.

[43] At a high altitude, I'd imagine.

[44] Oh, that's right.

[45] Another piece of the puzzle.

[46] So he's got 100 pounds.

[47] on his back for 10 hours, 12 hours a day, for four days in a row.

[48] That's a ninja.

[49] That's a workout.

[50] I feel like there's nothing better than that.

[51] It's so primal.

[52] Hunt with a bow out in the middle of nowhere, especially, I mean, by yourself, that's crazy.

[53] Well, you also, you could get him on Instagram, Adam Green Tree Bowhunter on Instagram.

[54] He documented it all.

[55] You know, with the Instagram stories?

[56] So he was there.

[57] There he is.

[58] And a dude met him up there, a friend of his, hiked through the night to come.

[59] and meet him up there and help him, I think, on the third or fourth day.

[60] But he's got all these videos of him up there in the mountains.

[61] Oh, that's an awesome picture.

[62] Wow.

[63] Yeah.

[64] It's just so cool because, I mean, he's just out there survived.

[65] Look at this.

[66] We're looking right now for folks at home listening.

[67] We're looking at this tent that's covered in snow.

[68] The ground's covered in snow.

[69] And this is where he's been living for the past week.

[70] I mean, that is the high country.

[71] Because when you're on public land, most countries don't, or most, yeah, Most countries don't have the same sort of public land set up that we have in the United States where you can just go hike into the mountains and camp out in these national forests.

[72] And so he took advantage of all that and he's up there.

[73] Oh, where's he from?

[74] Australia.

[75] Oh, okay, okay.

[76] That's right.

[77] Yeah, all you have to do is come to Montana.

[78] You buy a tag.

[79] I think a tag for an elk is a thousand bucks.

[80] And, you know, he's up there with a pistol because his bears up there.

[81] So his kill site, a bear came in on his kill site when he came back.

[82] Yeah.

[83] There was a grizzly there, and there's a lot of grizzlies in Montana.

[84] Mendez was just up in Alaska and got an awesome moose, and his story is pretty cool, too.

[85] He got a real big moose, and then over the night in camp, a grizzly bear came in and tried to take his moose off and took a big chunk out of its neck.

[86] Oh, Jesus.

[87] Yeah, so his whole story of what he's got going up there was pretty cool.

[88] He went on an awesome hunting show up there.

[89] Wow, look at that thing.

[90] Wow.

[91] Good Lord.

[92] Yeah.

[93] We're looking at Chad Mendez's.

[94] It says a 63 -inch, do -it -your -your -your -South Alaska Moose hunt.

[95] is now live on his YouTube channel.

[96] 63 inches is the width of the horns, which is just insane.

[97] That isn't an enormous animal.

[98] So if an elk is 800 pounds, that's probably like 1 ,500, 1 ,600 pounds.

[99] That's an enormous animal.

[100] He's doing guided hunts, right?

[101] Yeah.

[102] He guides, yeah, he guides people.

[103] That's his passion.

[104] Yeah, that's what he wants to transition to after he's done fighting.

[105] He should.

[106] I mean, that's where his passion's at, and he's obviously extremely good on it, so no reason not to, that's cool.

[107] Well, here's a question.

[108] He got popped for some supplement thing.

[109] Like one of those, and a lot of people are getting popped for tainted supplements.

[110] If you buy things in the store, there's a lot of supplements that you get, like, at any nutrition store that have all these, like, if they're not steroids, they're peptides.

[111] There are all these things that sort of make your body produce more hormones that are illegal by USADA.

[112] And he got caught for that stuff, apparently.

[113] Is that what he got caught for?

[114] Yeah, yeah.

[115] But they proved it that it was a supplement.

[116] Oh, really?

[117] Yeah.

[118] Oh, cool.

[119] I haven't really asked him too much about it.

[120] It's a bummer.

[121] Yeah.

[122] That's good.

[123] At this level, you have to be mindful of what you're taking into the body.

[124] So, especially with the new guidelines.

[125] So it's just part of following the rules.

[126] Can't go in the cage and I poke somebody.

[127] Like, oh, I didn't know.

[128] Now there's so much going on with supplements now, you have to make sure you put in the research and the investigation.

[129] Speaking of eye poking, did you see that picture of Travis Brown's finger knuckle deep into Fabricio Verdum's eyeball?

[130] He didn't even say anything in the fight, right?

[131] Did Verdoom?

[132] I don't remember seeing Verdum.

[133] call home or anything on that?

[134] I don't remember.

[135] But I did see that jump, the jump psychic in the beginning.

[136] It was crazy.

[137] I got the end on his trainer.

[138] Like that was a cool, that fire right there was a cool fight.

[139] Well, it was a bummer to me to see Travis fight like that because I remember Travis earlier in his career was just, look at that picture.

[140] That is creepy.

[141] Fucking insane.

[142] Esther Lynn from all elbows on Instagram put this picture up and she's an M .MA photographer.

[143] She takes awesome pictures That's an awesome picture And this is insane I mean it is literally Knuckled deep in his eyeball It just it's hard to look at man His second knuckle though too Right?

[144] His middle knuckle It's like his finger Has disappeared in the eyeball I don't remember him stopping Or saying eye poke or anything I don't remember either He was focused But there was a bad one earlier in the night With Jimmy Rivera and Uriah Yeah That was a bad one And Jimmy Rivera after the fight said he couldn't see He said he still couldn't see Like, he said he couldn't tell what color things were out of his right eye.

[145] Yeah.

[146] Fucking eye pokes, man. Pride gloves, huh?

[147] Yeah.

[148] You got to redesign the gloves.

[149] A little bit of a curvature in there and not open it all the way.

[150] Sorry.

[151] No, I think you're right.

[152] Yeah.

[153] Most of the time, this is what I do.

[154] I obsess about martial arts and making things better.

[155] Someone's got to do something because the way things are going, we're just so many guys are getting eye gouged, so many guys getting damaged eyeballs.

[156] It's just, it's not worth it, man. And it seems like we're waiting for something terrible to happen.

[157] You know, like, look at Michael Bisping.

[158] I don't know if Bispings came from a kick though I feel like it might have come from Vitor's kick Was it that or was it in practice?

[159] I don't know Do you think it was in practice?

[160] I think he detached his retina a couple times So I think that's why it is the way it is now I think he's heard it multiple times and it was kind of where Because it's not completely fixed I think they fixed it enough to where he can fight and then when he's done fighting They'll probably fix his eye completely is what it seems like Well what they did is they stuck oil in his eye I don't understand it But one of his eyeballs apparently has oil in it that's protecting the retina.

[161] So that's why one of his eyeballs is black.

[162] Oh, yeah.

[163] I was wondering what was going on with his eyes.

[164] That's why.

[165] Yeah, one is black and one is his original eye color, which I'm not sure what it is.

[166] But it's very strange looking.

[167] But it's just, he's a fucking savage.

[168] I mean, he didn't even consider retiring.

[169] He's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, stick some oil in there.

[170] Let's get going.

[171] Whatever I can do.

[172] Put an eye patch on.

[173] Let's do this.

[174] Got to get back to the gym, mate.

[175] He does push it.

[176] That guy comes to fight each and every time.

[177] He's a fucking animal.

[178] Yes, sir.

[179] Michael Bisping is the middleweight champion in the world.

[180] And who saw that coming?

[181] He did.

[182] He did.

[183] I've seen that opening in Luke Rock Colts' Instagram videos leading up to the fight.

[184] I've seen the same thing his trainer saw.

[185] Really?

[186] Yeah.

[187] He was telling me weeks before the fight that things he was doing while he's hitting Mitz, dropping his right hand all the time with his left cross and kind of lean him back and kind of shoulder rolling and whatnot.

[188] And Duane called it out a couple weeks before the fight that he saw openings.

[189] You know, he didn't say he was going to get knocked down.

[190] out with it but he saw some openings there you know opening is there i mean that's it's pretty simple you can see where the openings are on that one for sure and uh i remember after bisping caught him and his trainer point at him and i'm not quite sure what he said left took but he was for sure saying like see i told you i told you like that was yeah so that's cool to jason perillo's very yes yeah he's a good boxing coach he understands the game i got respect for that guy um but it's cool to see something you've trained multiple times come out and actually work and then win the fight and then the title fight whew that's that's nice that's rewarding well it's It's, along the lines of, like, what we were talking about today when we were working out is there's so much depth to this sport.

[191] There's so many options and there's so many possibilities that to the outside, or people look at it, it looks brutal.

[192] You see that eye poke and you're like, oh, my God, this sport should be illegal.

[193] But to a person who really understands and watches it and appreciates it, it's like there's so, it's like this crazy language that you have to learn with all these different words and all these different ways of putting together sentences.

[194] And I like to use the language analogy because, like, if you're talking to someone and they only know a few words and they want to yell at you, but you're like some Sam Harris type dude who can just has an incredible language and you're just so eloquent, you spin them up like a web and they don't really don't know what the fuck to say.

[195] And that also happens in a fight when a guy has a very simple, like real obvious game.

[196] He does a couple of things and he does it well.

[197] As long as you engage him in that same sort of simple, obvious way, he's got a chance.

[198] But when you overflow him, like, Dwayne was showing me this switch series that he works on, which is really amazing, really, really interesting stuff.

[199] Thank you, sir.

[200] But one of the things I noticed is while you were demonstrated to me, because it's so unusual, it forced my brain to hiccup for a second and go, oh, okay.

[201] And if that happens in a fight, you're Fuxville, right?

[202] Oh, yeah, 100%.

[203] Those little hiccups, right?

[204] Those little moments where your brain is overloaded because it's got to think instead of just react because you're doing something unique?

[205] If you're thinking inside the octagon, you're going to get caught, you're going to be in trouble.

[206] You need to have a completely clear mind and just kind of react to things.

[207] And for me, it's just been kind of having fun out there.

[208] You know, the more fun I have and the more loose I stay, the better I'm going to fight.

[209] If I go in there with a game plan and thinking what I want to throw and what to watch out for, what he's good at, what he's not good at, then I'm going to be a little bit slower, you know?

[210] We were talking about your fight with Dominic Cruz that you seem so emotional.

[211] Like you wanted to kill that dude like you were so yeah I did I mean I definitely wanted to kill him You know it was so I mean it was obvious you were you were head hunting as opposed to like one of the things that I really enjoyed about Well your first and your second fight with hen and Borough But your first fight with Henan Borough was like here you are fighting for the title and you look like you're in a sparring session Yeah, you were just so loose like right away you could through every there's nothing attention to what you were doing everything was like flowing And I was like, look how, like, well, he's responding to the pressure.

[212] You were having a great time out there.

[213] Yeah, exactly.

[214] Not thinking about it, you know.

[215] And like you said, with the Cruz thing, I wanted to finish him.

[216] I wanted to go out there and put a point on it.

[217] And, you know, things you learn from.

[218] Those are the small mistakes you learn from, and you change him up next time.

[219] And you come out there a little more level -headed and, you know, play his game.

[220] Kind of like you were saying, you know, he's a point fighter, you know.

[221] And if you go out there and let him point -fight you, then that's what he's going to do, you know.

[222] So you've got to be able to react to how he fights and change.

[223] it up a little bit and that's why each training camp's a little bit different and uh you learn those things you know when you go and watch a fight after it's over do you see openings and you're like shit yeah yeah that's called regret i still have this but sorry yeah yeah i mean yeah 100 % you'll you'll start sweating because i'm getting mad that i didn't do something correctly you know like in the end of the first round i was watching the fight against cruz and i had a double leg locked up so deep and i just didn't finish it and that could have changed the entire fight Just one takedown in the beginning of the first round.

[224] I was all the way deep, hands under his butt perfectly.

[225] I just didn't pinch my elbows to finish it.

[226] So I went to lift him and he slid right through my arms.

[227] One difference I had to make was pinching my elbows in and, you know, it changes it.

[228] Just one of those things in the moment, isn't it fascinating how, like, you have to train perfectly and then you have to just let everything go automatic.

[229] Yeah, that's exactly it.

[230] You just, you hit the nail on the head is to train everything perfectly.

[231] Now it comes down to quality reps, but then what's a quality rep, hitting and not getting hit or getting the takedown, not getting taken down, things like that, right?

[232] So now it comes to the point of adapting to the athlete and the scenario.

[233] Yeah.

[234] What's correct, again, is making sure you have high success with that technique, whatever that technique may be.

[235] So just putting in the time of the reps so it comes out fluidly and there's no longer a thought, but the instant reaction.

[236] Well, and also having the right coaches, too, that can give you that information and can give you that, high -level technique because there's so many people out there that are talented people, but you see their game just doesn't evolve.

[237] It just hits this level, and it's sort of like the level that their coaches are capable of taking them to, and then they don't go any further.

[238] And in that code, you have to believe in trust in that coach and be able to take you to that level.

[239] Someone can be telling you the exact thing you need to do, but if you don't trust and believe that guy, if he doesn't get it through your head the right ways, then it's not going to make sense, you know, you're not going to do it because you don't believe in it.

[240] Well, I think it's amazing what's going on right now with MMA, that people who are casual people, like a perfect example, the other day I was at my daughter's school, and one of the dads came up to me. And this dude was just a new fan.

[241] He'd only been watching MMA for the past year, and he was just rapid firing questions at me, and he was obsessed with it.

[242] He's like, I was never into martial arts when I was a kid.

[243] I watched a little bit of boxing, and he's like, but man, the UFC has just got me hooked, and he's like, one of the things.

[244] that I love about it is how many different ways a fight can end.

[245] He's like, it's just, it's so crazy.

[246] Like, you'll watch a fight, and then all of a sudden, the guy's getting choked.

[247] It's like, what happened?

[248] And we were going over this about it, and this guy was a real smart.

[249] I think he's like a hedge fund manager or something like that, but he was obsessed with all the possibilities, you know, and I think casual fans are starting to understand now that this is a very intellectual pursuit.

[250] If you don't have a strong mind, and if you don't have this, full range of options and possibilities inside the octagon you're most likely limiting yourself agreed agreed i see that yeah possibilities are nice way to change things up and again like we said earlier confuse the brain get them thinking about something else and then you do something else so it's always nice but i think right now we're seeing like um there's a there's a pack right there's like the standard pack of of athletes that are doing things in a certain way and then there's a few that are moving away from the pack and they're expanding the potential of MMA.

[251] I think you're one of those people.

[252] I appreciate that.

[253] And I think you, for sure, are one of those coaches.

[254] And there's a few guys out there.

[255] I know you don't like to hear, but Dominic Cruz is one of them.

[256] He's also doing it.

[257] We were talking about him today that, like, his style is so fucking odd.

[258] You know, like...

[259] I mean, he's technically not sound, actually.

[260] You know, but he uses it the right ways.

[261] He's got awesome timing.

[262] Yeah.

[263] He's got great cardio.

[264] He's got a great chin.

[265] Yeah.

[266] And then he can get away with the bad things he does because he does them for the right way for himself, you know?

[267] Yeah, I don't necessarily.

[268] think you can say it's technically bad because he's so fucking successful and he knows how to do it.

[269] I just think it's not standard.

[270] You know, like he doesn't, like we were using Ramone Decker's as an example.

[271] He does not throw kicks and punches like Ramon Decker's.

[272] But what he does do is he throws him like Dominic Cruz where he's moving like a pendulum back and forth and his footwork is so weird and he's overwhelming your mind with possibilities and he doesn't do the same thing twice.

[273] He mixes things up so well that he's a tough nut to crack.

[274] Yeah, he's tricky.

[275] He was trickier than I expected, for sure.

[276] But, you know, a piece of that, again, game planning is the talks up to the fight to get them emotionally invested.

[277] Yes.

[278] And then it becomes a bit trickier to find the head.

[279] Right.

[280] If that's the goal.

[281] When you were leading up to the fight, he was talking so much shit.

[282] And you could tell that you were getting so upset.

[283] But that is a big factor in fights, right?

[284] Because fights are so emotional.

[285] Because it's one of the only sports in the world where your health is on the line, like literally like this the option it's not like you might get in a car accident when you're racing cars that that's a possibility but the goal of mma is for you to fuck up someone's body yeah absolutely man um the thing you hit thing with him too that makes it pisses you off so much is that he'll attack anything and just talk about something doesn't even make sense just to talk and talk and not give you a chance to talk it's like uh high school girls just like just bickering at each other yeah i think that's what pisses you off the most you know because he's not even actually making a great point he's just making it and making it louder.

[286] Well, he's very articulate.

[287] Yeah.

[288] He's a good analyst because of that, you know?

[289] He does get at that.

[290] Agreed.

[291] So, if you get a chance to fight him again for the title.

[292] Yeah, I better.

[293] Which you're in line, right?

[294] Obviously.

[295] Well, you lost a very close decision to him, and then you beat Hafeel and Sunsau, which in my opinion was, we were talking about this today, was an excellent example of how far you progressed because you guys had a really tough fight.

[296] The first time you fought, it was a close fight.

[297] This fight was not close.

[298] You just ran away from him.

[299] I ran away with the fight, rather, not ran away from him, but ran, I mean, you were just, it was a clear victory.

[300] It was like you were just so much more technical.

[301] There were so many more options you were presenting to him, and he was basically the same fighter that he was back then.

[302] Maybe slightly better, but you're all way better fighter.

[303] I appreciate him, man. We've worked hard.

[304] We've worked long hours, worked really hard.

[305] You know, it's crazy how, like you said, the sport works out how quick things can change.

[306] You know, I mean, I could be on 11 -fight win streak right now, and a split decision lost to Hafeel.

[307] and Sal, you know, I thought I won that fight.

[308] A very close fight with Dominic Cruz that I felt I won as well.

[309] Those two fights go my way.

[310] I'm on 11 -fight win streak.

[311] You still have the belt, you know, known as hopefully one of the greatest compound fighters in the world, you know, and you still are.

[312] For sure.

[313] It's, what's interesting right now, too, is this new rule set that's going to go into place in January, you know, where they've changed this whole thing about down fighters, like being able to attack the downfighter.

[314] Yeah.

[315] Good call.

[316] You have to have four points down now.

[317] So if you, yeah, if you put a hand down on the ground and someone kicks you, that's, that's totally legit now, which I think it's a long time coming.

[318] I think that's a, I'm a little bummed out that didn't get rid of the 12 -6 elbow, but, you know, whatever.

[319] Which is one of the most ridiculous rules because that's really not going to hurt you any more than me putting a shin across your face, you know, like, or getting neat in the face and crushing your skull.

[320] You know, that stuff happens all the time, and now you're going to take away an elbow.

[321] You can't even really generate that much force with, I don't feel it.

[322] Well, it's not more force.

[323] Yeah.

[324] I mean, I think there's way more force in the elbow that comes down the side because it's more like a punch because you get your whole shoulder torts into it.

[325] Your shoulder dropping down is a weird movement.

[326] I mean, I guess there's some guys like Anderson Silva or, you know, Yotson Kly or some badass tie fighters that can generate ridiculous power with that.

[327] But I don't think it's any more than any other kind of elbow.

[328] No, absolutely not.

[329] No way.

[330] It's just some of the rules, I think, are a little bit archaic.

[331] I think we all agree, though, the gloves.

[332] Yes, sir.

[333] is probably, like, if there's going to be, like, one thing that needs to be changed, I mean, it would be really nice we could all get together and figure out a way to make it so there's less eye pokes.

[334] Well, here's three experts in the field right now.

[335] We're all saying pride -style gloves would be an example or like the shito gloves, but anything that doesn't allow the hand to fully open.

[336] Fuck, they own pride.

[337] Just use those goddamn gloves.

[338] Those are the sweetest gloves, too.

[339] I love the pride gloves.

[340] I collect all kinds of my memorabilia.

[341] Yeah.

[342] I'm all over the place.

[343] No, they're dope, man. By the way, show everybody your wallet.

[344] Oh, yeah, nice.

[345] I'm a boxing coach Trevor Whitman Who's by far the most technical Martialaris I've ever come across He took an old fight glove And where's the cameras there Made me a wallet out of the fight glove He made you see that yet Yeah I saw it on Instagram That is so dope It's nice He makes all my punchments My tie pads My belly shield My leg kick pads My kick shield I'm super impressed I was always impressed with Trevor As a coach Let me get a picture He's just a ninja I mean I'll take that same skill set and put that into martial arts or to developing technique or drills.

[346] That's so cool.

[347] It's the same things.

[348] You could put that same information to running a successful business or whatever it is.

[349] He's just a detailed guy.

[350] Yeah.

[351] It's just fun to see someone do something that cool.

[352] Yeah.

[353] That's unique, huh?

[354] So you guys are in Colorado now.

[355] You move to Colorado full time.

[356] You know, how much different is it living there?

[357] And what is it like now?

[358] Also, you're training at altitude all the time.

[359] That actually made a huge difference.

[360] I didn't even take into account when I first went out there.

[361] When I was cross -training and I was going back and forth from my camps, going from Sacramento to Colorado, it always, going back out there was so tough.

[362] And some people get affected by the altitude differently.

[363] You know, like Joseph Benevitas doesn't get affected by it at all.

[364] I feel like that guy.

[365] Mexicans.

[366] He never gets tired, man. Mexicans don't get tired.

[367] I don't know.

[368] There's a racist thing to say in a positive way.

[369] I tell you, the Mexicans have fucking incredible gas tanks.

[370] He goes.

[371] Joseph will come up.

[372] He'll be gone and Vegas will come out and he'll train exactly the same.

[373] For me, when I go to altitude, it messes with me big time.

[374] But I feel like I get the effects from it long term when I'm done with the camp.

[375] Like, I felt big differences when I train at altitude when I'm done with my camp.

[376] After I've been out there for six weeks, I'm in a camp, and you come back down to sea level.

[377] When we first start hitting mitts at wherever we go, it just feels awesome.

[378] Yeah, sea level, you feel like a Superman, right?

[379] Yeah, it's crazy how much of a difference it makes.

[380] Have you ever tried one of those altitude tents, those things that people sleep in?

[381] I have tried it.

[382] It's so hard to sleep in it.

[383] Is it?

[384] Yeah, it gets hot in there.

[385] And then your body doesn't recover as well.

[386] You know, if you're sleeping at really high altitude, you know, anything higher than we're at, if you're sleeping at a real high altitude, it's hard for your body to actually recover overnight when you're actually supposed to recover.

[387] You're supposed to, you know, have your testosterone built up when you're sleeping in oxygen, get into your muscles and recover over the night.

[388] And if you're sleeping at high altitude, it's really hard to do that.

[389] You wake up more sore, you wake up more tired, and it's hard to recover.

[390] Interesting.

[391] So what I had heard was that the best balance was training at sea level, but sleeping and living at altitude.

[392] I heard that as well.

[393] It seems like it wants to go back and forth all the time.

[394] That's what I heard when I was in school.

[395] You know, I was a kinesiology major, and I was really into the exercise physiology.

[396] They said, train low, sleep high.

[397] Yeah.

[398] So that your body, when you're sleeping and hanging out, you're rebuilding all these red blood cells.

[399] But then your threshold of working out at sea level, you can push it so much harder so your body's used to go in that hard, you know?

[400] But you train in lack of oxygen.

[401] You can't train as hard.

[402] So, I mean, that makes sense to me. But then when sleeping in altitude, I feel like you can't recover until you're acclimated.

[403] You know, once you're acclimated, you can recover, you know, because you have more red blood cells in your body, but until then.

[404] I wonder if anybody does it where, like, you live in San Bernardito and then train up in Big Bear and just keep going back and forth and then sleep.

[405] That was Tito's thing for a while, huh?

[406] But he lived up there, though, right?

[407] Yeah, Tito used to live up there for his camps.

[408] He was one of the first MMA fighters to incorporate that, you know?

[409] No, boss.

[410] Oh, boss did it?

[411] And boss did pop for his heavyweight title.

[412] He came to Colorado for his camp for his fight against Kevin Randleman.

[413] So since I've written So because there was a promoter in town That would hold shows They were called the Lone Wolf Invitational And he had a couple shows And then I think maybe his third show Boss was there He was just a special guest So then the shows after that We're now the boss root in invitational's But when he was there He would be a special guest at the show And then he would do a seminar the next day Then I'd fight on the show And then do a seminar That's how we came together And he noticed the effects of the altitude And then so he just did his next camp there.

[414] I wonder if there's a difference between like when when I think when they're studying how athletes perform while they sleep at a high altitude and train at low altitude.

[415] I wonder if there's a difference between the intensity level that MMA requires and the amount of like I don't think there's a sport in the world that requires you to train as much as MMA because there's so many different things you have to work on.

[416] Good point.

[417] Or it's hard like we do train with a lot of NFL players with Lauren Lindau and Denver.

[418] He trains a lot of Denver players and a lot of guys come before they do their combine and come and train with them.

[419] And you just kind of realize how much harder your strength conditioning is and how much harder you have to push.

[420] And that's just one workout, you know, and then maybe they're going to do some football drills and whatnot.

[421] We're going to hitmits and do some grappling and wrestling.

[422] It's a very tough sport to get ready for.

[423] I mean, I really don't know if there's many that are as hard or harder.

[424] That's what makes it fun, huh?

[425] It definitely makes it fun to watch.

[426] You know, it's really kind of crazy when you think about like the 10 minute rounds that pride had and how difficult five minute rounds are well you definitely need it if you're a grappler i mean who the fuck's going to beat damian may if every round's 10 minutes that's good point yeah yeah you're gonna be worn out that guy's a backpack man you cannot get him god he is such he's so on another level right now that's one of those guys that's so good at one thing but he's but he's incredible at it that he can get away with it most guys can't get away with just being good at one individual aspect of mama but he's one of those guys it he's just so dominant at jiu jiu jitza that he can get away with it See, that's the theory, too, or the concept is he's really good at the rear naked choke.

[427] Well, a few submissions, obviously, right?

[428] But let's say you're just ninja at the rear naked choke.

[429] Now, that's your one technique.

[430] Now, everyone's aware of that.

[431] So all you have to do is just have different entries for that rear naked choke, right?

[432] So different entries, and then obviously you finish the submission.

[433] But as far as the striking concept, the same techniques or combination, just different entries and different exits.

[434] Right.

[435] Again, that same technique itself.

[436] Yeah, there are as a few guys who have, like, just really excel that one particular, technique to the point where it gets ridiculous.

[437] Like, remember Cody McKenzie?

[438] He was catching everybody with that McKenzie teen, he would call it.

[439] The backwards guillotine thing, he came and showed that alpha -mela thing.

[440] It's crazy.

[441] But you have to be built for it, though.

[442] He's, like, perfectly built for his arms are long, you know?

[443] Skinny, yeah.

[444] Well, then there was Paul Sass.

[445] Remember Paul Sass?

[446] That's right, the triangle.

[447] 12 fights in a row by triangle.

[448] And everybody knew it was coming.

[449] He couldn't do shit about it.

[450] But you can use that to your advantage, though, as well.

[451] So I was helping Matt Brown train for Maya.

[452] and I didn't like how he was approaching the fight that he was so worried about what he was going to do he's like he's going to do these takedowns he's going to take her back he's going to do this like he was so entrenched in what Damia Maya was going to do to him in the fight rather than worrying about what he should do what aspects he should take to the fight to stay away from his game instead of really what he's going to do so you know you can use that to your advantage if you're a fighter that's so strong at one thing confuse someone and get them so worried about what you're going to do that they're actually thinking inside the fight rather than reacting and just doing what they're good at already Because if Matt would have fought, I feel like the way he should have in that fight, he could have picked Damia and Maya apart.

[453] Maybe.

[454] Yeah.

[455] Or maybe he would have got fucking grapple fucked again.

[456] Yeah.

[457] Maybe later on, yeah.

[458] That's my hope and thought at least.

[459] Yeah.

[460] Well, I'm a big Matt Brown fan, but I'm a big Damien Maya fan as well.

[461] For me, it's weird, you know, because I'm a fan of a lot of guys, and these guys oftentimes fight each other.

[462] And it's just like you just got to appreciate the event and appreciate the result.

[463] Appreciate the sport.

[464] Yeah.

[465] What's one of the cool things about MMA is that there are these outliers, like this one -trick pony like Damian Maya, but what a fucking trick.

[466] Nice.

[467] I mean, he can strike, and Damian striking has gotten leaps and bounds better.

[468] It's one of the reasons why he's gotten so better at applying his jiu -jitsu is because he's so much more comfortable with his stand -up.

[469] His distance is very good now.

[470] We understand striking really well now, but that jiu -jitsu is just so next level.

[471] It's making a happen.

[472] When he runs through a guy like Carlos Condit like that.

[473] Yeah.

[474] Or outgrapers Gunner Nelson.

[475] Outgrapers Gunner Nelson that easy, you know?

[476] Mald them.

[477] Yeah.

[478] Just mauled them.

[479] It's like you said, another level, for sure.

[480] And also goes to show you how fucking good Jake Shields is.

[481] Oh, you're right.

[482] Good call.

[483] People sleep on Jake Shields.

[484] Jake Shields beat him in essentially a grappling match.

[485] You know, and a lot of people forget, you know, Jake Shields was always a guy who kind of struggled with a stand -up because he wasn't like an explosive guy who was just sort of like competent.

[486] A bit awkward.

[487] Yeah.

[488] Awkward.

[489] But, again, he beat Tyron Woodley, the fucking Walterway champion.

[490] of the world.

[491] Beat him in essentially a stand -up fight.

[492] So did Nate Markorp.

[493] Yeah.

[494] He shields is smart with his grappling.

[495] He's come out to muscle farm, worked out with us and showed some technique, and his top game is just so tough.

[496] Ridiculous.

[497] He doesn't even have to use any strength.

[498] It's just all about his positioning the way he's on you.

[499] It's so tough.

[500] I mean, it's a chess match for, chest match for sure.

[501] Yeah, he gets slept on.

[502] He's fighting Fitch now.

[503] They're going to fight in the World Series of fighting.

[504] That's a very good fight.

[505] Very, very interesting fight.

[506] That's interesting.

[507] We have both ways.

[508] I was wondering about Fitch.

[509] That's good to see him back in there.

[510] He hasn't fought for a while, right?

[511] I don't know when the last time he tested positive after he fought Pal Harris Oh did he?

[512] Yeah I thought his knee got hurt A little bit of that too Yeah He tested positive for elevated testosterone Oh wow Yeah you can't have that You gotta follow the rules right The guidelines That's fast to happen Yeah But back to like styles It is so interesting That there are so many different styles And there's so many different people Like Wonderboy Who's a one trick pony In the other direction You know just his fucking striking It's just bizarre And his style is like really a karate based Almost like a sport karate style But it just incorporates the movement And he's operating for a longer distance And he likes to draw people in And get them extended before he catches them So dude he's like a cobra Yep exactly Like his movement like his back and forth Pivoting off the waist Yeah But he also He does another thing that fucks with people Is that front leg Yeah his front leg is so nasty Like he, when he fought Hendricks He'll want a front leg side To the body and you could see Hendricks got like stuck by it was a hard shot and he like kind of acknowledged it and then he got roundhouse kicked in the face with the same foot like right away quack it's like the zohan yeah it's just all up in your face all the time it never stops oh that'd be funny yeah see to me a dream fight is damien maya versus wonder boy this complete opposite styles that's a dream fight I want to see what the fight it's like I feel like now what we're watching too with Damien Maya is also we're watching this master who's 38.

[513] Oh, you're right.

[514] Good point.

[515] Yeah, he's still, well, he's up there for the competitive ages, but he seems healthy and making it happen.

[516] We should competing forever.

[517] It's one of those things where you got to wonder, like, how much more sand is left in that hourglass.

[518] Yeah, I mean...

[519] He pulled the ratting d 'cator trick, just fight until he's 50.

[520] Yeah, I mean, fuck, Randy almost came out of retirement for Fador.

[521] Oh, nice.

[522] He was thinking about fighting fans.

[523] I wouldn't want to see that just as an old fight fan.

[524] Yeah, yeah.

[525] Yeah, for sure.

[526] You got to think about Maya, though, too, being 38 and be able to push it that hard still, is that his style of fighting.

[527] Yeah, good call.

[528] You know, he's not getting hit very much.

[529] He's on your back.

[530] You know, his training's probably that way as well.

[531] And so he's able to go a little bit longer rather than someone that's going to be in front of you and slug it out.

[532] Yeah, good point.

[533] He's definitely taking less damage striking wise over the years.

[534] I think they did a stat on them where he got hit 13 times over the last four fights.

[535] No way.

[536] Yes.

[537] Wow.

[538] And like the, like, it's just that's, and most of them are the Matt Brown fight.

[539] Yeah.

[540] Oh, wow.

[541] It's just fucking crazy.

[542] how, like, technical he is when it comes to his jiu -jitsu.

[543] Yeah.

[544] That's why you don't play jiu -jitsu, right?

[545] So we got to punch him in the face while he kicks like Nate Marquard did.

[546] Yeah.

[547] Well, Nate caught him early in his career, too, though, before I really understood the stand -up game.

[548] Yeah.

[549] Yeah.

[550] Yeah, people sleep on Nate Marquart, too, man. You know, people forget how goddamn good Nate, especially in his prime.

[551] Yes, sir.

[552] And you watched that Tyron Woodley fight when you fought him in strike force.

[553] He looked really good then.

[554] That combination that he hit him with was like a fucking a video game.

[555] Yeah.

[556] Yep.

[557] He was sharp.

[558] He was working with Trevor Whitman.

[559] He's back with Trevor as well.

[560] Is he?

[561] Again, Trevor is by far the most technical, detailed martial artist instructed I've come across in any field.

[562] He really breaks things down.

[563] And I hear Shane Carwin's making a comeback.

[564] Oh, nice, really?

[565] Oh, that's a free agent.

[566] So you can go wherever he wants.

[567] Oh, interesting.

[568] Whenever that's going to go.

[569] Nice.

[570] Is he training with Trevor as well?

[571] I'm not sure.

[572] I don't actually spend too much time with Trevor, but hopefully if he's smart, he should.

[573] He will.

[574] I know he's really close with a wrestling coach at most of the Leicester Bowling.

[575] And I've been hearing it from Leicester that, you know, he's a free agent looking about getting back into working out and seeing how he's body holds up to see if, you know, how he's going to push it and what's going to happen?

[576] Yeah, he has some pretty significant back injuries, right?

[577] Yeah.

[578] It was his neck, right?

[579] Back in his neck, I believe.

[580] But, you know, you got to think that guy played football at a high level for a long time.

[581] Yeah.

[582] And all that crashing, big dudes smashing in each other.

[583] those guys are freaking natures man i can't that's so crazy to be able to be that big and that fast 230 pounds is run into somebody who's standing there it's not good for you yeah definitely not good for you you want to stay healthy that's for sure yeah because it goes back to uh keep keeping those same rules in line when you're training the the goal of the training is to get better right not to hurt each other so yeah just making sure you take care of your partner and learn using this time to improve and get better the better i get the better you get and so on yeah and And if you can get a good camp like that where everybody has their ego and check and you all grow together, that's massive.

[584] Yeah, new egos.

[585] They're to learn and get better overall.

[586] You know, that's something that I've had to obviously work on too because I'm so competitive and I want to be the best all the time.

[587] You know, even in the gym, no matter what, I'm like, I'm pushing, like, I want to train harder than you.

[588] I want to be better than you.

[589] And so it's something that we and me and doing have had to work with.

[590] And I've always had to work on it, you know, I just got to, you know, stay controlled.

[591] Control the fire.

[592] Yeah.

[593] How do you control yourself when it comes to, like, the amount of work you do?

[594] Do you monitor your heart rate?

[595] Do you check, like, do you have any sort of markers that you check to make sure that you're not overtrained?

[596] I know a lot of guys do it off their heart rate, and it's a good way to do it.

[597] Mine's just kind of off a feel for the most of how am I waking up in the morning and how am I feeling?

[598] Am I eager to still feeling like I'm the best in the world?

[599] That's kind of like my body lets me know mentally of what I should be doing, what I shouldn't.

[600] It's taken a while to learn that.

[601] I wish I would have known this during wrestling because I believe I messed up my wrestling career in college by just pushing too hard for too long and redlining my body.

[602] So it's all just off a feel now.

[603] And I kind of lay out my whole camp that way.

[604] You know, I know what days I'm going to do three practices, what day I'm going to do one, and just kind of go off a feel.

[605] You know, if I need to rest a whole weekend or just rest Sunday, it's all off of just my energy levels and how much I'm willing to do.

[606] Do you have a nutritionist that works with you?

[607] I do.

[608] They're perfecting athletes.

[609] I'm actually teaming up with them now, too, and we're doing programs for little kids and for wrestlers as well because the wrestling, the wrestling world does not know enough.

[610] I mean, they've cut weight for the longest amount of time, but they just do it the wrong ways.

[611] but yeah perfecting athletes has helped me out a lot with my career and they actually have been able to boost my hormones with the way I eat you know and that's how so um so my nutritionist michel she used to be a fertility doctor she's real holistic she's into acupuncture and doing all that and the the foods that they're feeding you are the right things for your endocrine system and boosting your testosterone and making you just a healthier human being i mean if you eat and live healthier your body's going to produce more testosterone and live the right way and that's what they've done with me. What I've heard is that more fats, like eating more fats.

[612] And I've seen it in a lot of different athletes, especially athletes that start following ketogenic diets that ramps up their hormone production because fats are a precursor for hormones.

[613] So a lot of coconut oil, a lot of avocados, saturated fats from healthy meats, especially like grass -fed meat.

[614] I feel like you can't get enough of it.

[615] I mean, if you're working out as much as I am during camp or even just working out all the good fats are one of the best things for you yeah that's the other thing to take into consideration when people talk about athletes and people talk about people that exercise and are fit and want to follow a healthy diet there's such a different caloric requirement for someone like you who's training what do you train two or three times a day yeah two or three or three just to switch it up sometimes i'll do one just one hard one just depends why i'm at but yeah you know i'd say on average three times a day so your body's just a blast furnace it's hard for me to hold on to weight.

[616] You know, it's, I gotta try, I gotta try as hard as I can to keep my weight up.

[617] So when I'm out of season, like right now, I'm trying to lift as, lift heavy and stay as big as I can.

[618] And then when I get into camp, you know, change it up.

[619] I'm doing a lot of hypertrophy right now.

[620] A lot of hypertrophy training.

[621] I'll get closer to camp.

[622] I'll start doing more strength training.

[623] And then when I get in camp, like closer to my fight, I'm doing more power training.

[624] So when you say hypertrophy, like what kind of training?

[625] Like what, like, what, like, deadlift, like what kind of stuff?

[626] Yeah, I mean, obviously I'll do deadlifts and stuff.

[627] But it all depends on the reps you're doing really and how much weight you're going to do.

[628] So if I want some my hypertrophy, I find a weight that's hard for me to do 10 to 12 times.

[629] You know, that's what's going to make my muscles build the most, like higher reps and start building size.

[630] And then when I want to get strength, I'm going to start doing less reps, you know, around like six.

[631] And that's hard to do at six.

[632] And then that's when I'm going to start building more strength.

[633] You know, power is, you know, three quick, hard explosive, you know, dead lifts and cleans and stuff like that.

[634] And then, like, big breaks in between sets?

[635] Yeah, all depends on the breaks as well too yeah so when you're getting down to 145 or 135 rather how difficult is that for you like what are you walking around at uh during camp walking around like 150 i usually show up five days before my fight at 152 i usually train what i'm gonna fight at so i walk into the cage 150 15 probably i'm training like that my whole entire camp five days before the fight i'm weighing 150 and then i just lose it all with water weight so that's not that much not 15 pounds like and it seems like a lot to people listening probably but we know guys who are losing 25 30 which I think's too much I think it's not healthy for your brain it's too hard to recover hydration on your brain you know have you ever thought that if you didn't do the hypertrophy training and you didn't do all the power training and you just did more aerobic like you might drop down to 145 naturally and then might be able to cut to 125 yeah yeah I mean I thought of that I could make 25s I mean it's definitely wouldn't be fun and I don't really I don't really want to have to but yeah it's definitely something than I could do.

[636] I mean, you know, I'm trying...

[637] Mighty Mouse needs a super fight.

[638] He does, man. And I'm a huge fan of the guy, too.

[639] You know, he's so good that I would love to fight him.

[640] And I do feel I have a really good style for Mighty Mouse, too.

[641] Because I know he's talking about doing a super fight.

[642] Yeah.

[643] Yeah, I mean, he's in an interesting position because he's really essentially cleared out his weight class.

[644] I mean, he's fighting Wilson Hayes, and Wilson's a very tough fighter.

[645] Is he fighting Wilson?

[646] No, no. Is he?

[647] Yeah.

[648] He doesn't fight the winner of the show that the Benamedius was just...

[649] So Benavides just wrapped up filming a show at the Henry Sehuda.

[650] I think Dmitzsche is supposed to fight the winner of the show.

[651] I think you're right.

[652] But what did I read today?

[653] He was supposed to fight in Hayes, but he got hurt and pulled out of the fight.

[654] And now I think he's supposed to fight the winner of the ultimate fight.

[655] No, I think you're right, but I read something today.

[656] I forgot about that, but I read something today about him fighting Wilson.

[657] So maybe it was just an older article or something like that, or maybe it was confused.

[658] Yeah, possibly.

[659] But my point is, even if he fights the winner of the show, good luck to those guys.

[660] Yeah.

[661] Good luck.

[662] You're fighting a fucking human buzzsaw.

[663] Yeah.

[664] Yeah, he's on another level again.

[665] Endless cardio, plunging from all angles.

[666] Yeah, he's good, man. And he's, in my opinion, one of the best examples or the best example ever of a guy who has so many possibilities.

[667] Right.

[668] His language, the language of fighting, his language has the richest vocabulary of any fighter.

[669] I mean, the way he fucked Suhudo up in a clinch with those knees to the body, like, who does it better than that I've never seen a guy you did good break a guy down better with needs of the body like that you'd have to go to Anderson versus Rich Franklin oh nice good call but that was like almost like a more brutality oriented thing I mean when Anderson did it was just grab a hold of you and just ragdall you with when he was doing it when Mighty Mouse was doing it was almost like it was crazy to watch it's like Jesus Christ like these things are coming they're landing like that he's firing them off like with no hesitation.

[670] There's no wind up.

[671] There's no exertion.

[672] Everything seems effortless.

[673] And it looks like he could do it all day.

[674] It looks like a real fucking problem when you're in there with him.

[675] One of the, I think, I'm assuming, makes sense, is Matt Hume, his being his coach, who's obviously the wizard, right?

[676] Very intelligent in the fight world.

[677] But with the background of Suhudo missing weight so much, attacking the body, assuming that maybe he had a hard cut and maybe ate too much or drank too much and attacking the body as far as the game plan so it's very smart of him then also obviously he did it with the correct timing and accuracy so yeah it was good so hoodo really struggles to get done 25 that's right here yeah he looked big on the show he's a little bit yeah i just 25 yeah i i find that yeah he maybe i mean maybe like the exact example we're talking about with tj like that maybe they were like very similar in size and he just decides to go down there and uh good call yeah it just doesn't have the correct maybe not the correct path to actually make it happen if he's actually missing weight that he needs to get i don't know what his deal is he doesn't miss it in a long time but he did he did a few times back in the past yeah but he missed a couple of the ufc weights huh yep yeah and they made him fight at 135 that's right fought a fight at 135 and then he showed them that he could make 25 again and did it and then because he's going to be fighting a benavitas now and i'm not sure when that fight is maybe december but benavidis is coming out to colorado in about one week he just texted me the other day um he actually bought a condo in Colorado, so he's going to be training with us full time until the fight, and that's going to be good.

[678] Benavides is a very creative martial artist.

[679] We and him, when we train, we flow.

[680] We create a whole much of new rhythms and paths and patterns.

[681] It's good.

[682] I love it as a martial artist finding the next level of the game.

[683] It happens a lot with him, also with TJ.

[684] It's fun to work with that level of athlete just to play with the game itself of overall expanding the level of martial arts.

[685] That's where I'm fascinated by.

[686] What's the next level?

[687] Where are we at?

[688] What can we create?

[689] Yeah.

[690] Benavitas is also one of those guys that if you saw him like in a silhouette, if you couldn't see who he was, if you couldn't see any detail, but you saw him move around, you would know it was him.

[691] Yeah.

[692] He's got a very distinct picture.

[693] Yeah.

[694] He's got a very distinct picture.

[695] He's got a very distinct.

[696] He's unique.

[697] Oh, he's one of my favorite people in the world, man. He's awesome.

[698] I love that dude.

[699] He's such a character, man. He is.

[700] Yeah, he's a little bit.

[701] I'm going on spinning kicks and stuff.

[702] He's got him.

[703] He's such a good dude.

[704] He is really good.

[705] What do you got here for notes, dude?

[706] It's going on.

[707] Just made just for me to slow down and make sure I take my third.

[708] time and yeah that's my main thing slow down and think i get so wrapped up and just getting i get put myself into fight mode when i talk and i just got to make sure i'm being calm and being collective and making sure i'm getting the points and the messages across with with what i'm doing because now obviously on the podcast this podcast has helped change my life over the years and i'm sure you get this all the time but you literally help change people's lives for the better and i thank you for that and thank you for having me on and the exposure for us it's it's bad ass but uh to use this time properly to help influence others and not to try to tear anybody's name down, but to help uplift and inspire and help people become better to human beings.

[709] That's what I feel my messages on this earth is to help people become better.

[710] And my vehicle, my tool is martial arts.

[711] So I love it.

[712] Whether it's general fitness or training the highest level of ninjas to compete for the belt, it's my service back to the world to help make sure we're all together.

[713] Well, it's interesting to see you really flourish as a coach too, because very few fighters have taken to it the way you have where not only were you a very good fighter, an excellent fighter, but you've surpassed that as a coach.

[714] That's really rare.

[715] I feel that.

[716] I agree with that.

[717] I appreciate that.

[718] I just put my time and energy and my OCDness into developing others.

[719] Like that's literally what it is.

[720] I'm obsessed with it, and there's only one way to be great is to be obsessive, you know, and then to have fellow ninjas like TJ and Benavitas to play along with with this tool of martial arts to see what the next layer is.

[721] I love it.

[722] I mean, I need this.

[723] this level of dedication and athleticism in order to do that.

[724] So because of them, I'm at the level that I'm at.

[725] So it's a win -win.

[726] Like, every relationship should be.

[727] Read the note, slow down.

[728] Like, every relationship should be.

[729] It should be a win -win, not a one -sided path.

[730] So, you know, not long ago, T .J. asked me why I'm always so, you know, hyper and excited and love and life is because his goals are my goals.

[731] Like, one of my dreams is to see him with the belt again.

[732] Like, that's something that I obsess of is to make sure he's wearing the belt, that it's in his proper place.

[733] And same thing for Benavitas, I would absolutely love to have Benavitas be wearing the belt.

[734] So for me, to help others become better brings me a lot of joy, and I love that.

[735] Isn't it funny that that passion and that intensity and focus has a negative connotation?

[736] People call it OCD.

[737] Yeah.

[738] Like, we're weird with our definitions.

[739] It works for me. But it would mean, but why is that like necessarily negative?

[740] It's not, yeah.

[741] Well, I, for me, because I have so many things going on, there's so many other elements throughout the world with my wife, my family, my business.

[742] I'm lucky and I'm blessed that everything in my circle and my bubble works with each other well because I mean I take my kids to go and train my wife goes and trains people ask me this quite a bit are you going to have your kids fight no I'm not going to have them fight if they choose to I will support their path whatever that is whatever their passions I will support that but they do have to train because they look at it as a form of insurance I'm not always going to be around to protect them and I want to make sure that they can handle potential confrontations if they can if they need to by either talking about it you know trying to diffuse the situation or if it does come to come to a physical confrontation they can handle themselves properly but just being healthy and happy and confident with your walk and you're talking be able to help other people that's what i make it sure it's mandatory that my kids do train martial arts and my wife as well el guapo just texted he's here he's the man carter's definitely going to fight yeah boss yeah little boss so my uh so i have my daughter jade my little boy dway bang ledwig and then my third child is carter boss ledwig but we all refer to him as boss well um little boss.

[743] He's the man. So, Sensei ruins my main, my most influential martial artist to make an impact on me. And he's changed my life with what he's done for me, his care and his passion in my martial art journey.

[744] And then he's the first guy to take combinations and put them into one coat.

[745] Oh, shit.

[746] Ladies and gentlemen, the great boss rooting is here.

[747] Boss Rutin, ladies and gentlemen, former UFC heavyweight champion.

[748] one of the baddest man that ever lived.

[749] Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

[750] Good to see here.

[751] Thank you for coming.

[752] Have a seat.

[753] Good, brother.

[754] Long time, no, C. I know Carter's going to fight just because how aggressive he is.

[755] I remember, like, the first time ever going to Dwayne's house and watching his little two -year -old, two -year -old pride -stomp his dog.

[756] He knows what a pride -stomp is.

[757] We have big pit bulls.

[758] We have big, big, huge pit bulls, but one of them was, so she doesn't mind.

[759] A dangerous move of a two -year -old kid stomping a pit bull.

[760] Yeah, but people have the misconception of pit bulls being bad dogs, but they were known in the past as nanny dogs.

[761] My kids can actually physically rough up my pit bulls, and they don't care.

[762] They're big enough.

[763] They're strong enough.

[764] They're composed of it, and they're females.

[765] They're just about it.

[766] The females, that does definitely helps.

[767] So that helps for sure, yeah.

[768] Tell them the story that you pretty much went naked and I heard from your wife yesterday.

[769] The pit bulls separating the pebbles.

[770] So the two dogs.

[771] Do you have two females?

[772] We have two females.

[773] Oh, that's not good.

[774] Yeah.

[775] So the story was.

[776] would prove your point correct.

[777] I'm about to hop in the shower and my wife tells me the dogs are fighting out back so I grab my towel I wrap it on I run outside to separate the dogs because they'll fight because there's the neighbor's dog barks and they'll bark at that and they'll bark at each other and then they start arguing and fighting right so anyways I run outside with my towel on to get the dog separate them while I'm separating the dogs the towel falls off but I still have to separate the dogs and the neighbors behind me now it's a show boom and they have a get together so I'm in the back naked just rolling with the dog is separating them and making sure everything is good did anybody have their phone out uh I'm not sure I'm not sure but uh his wife winks at me now and it's a little bit strange it's good to be wanted no she doesn't she doesn't know uh it's always nice to feel wanted that's a savage scene the dude separating his fighting pit bulls naked it's funny now because my wife will go on sausage yeah that would have been good uh it's a joke now as I'll say the dog's fighting and go rip my shirt off like I'm yeah but uh yeah I was good one i had two females that fought to the death oh that's right i heard that i came home as a dead dog in my living room not good yeah how was the other dog was healthy she's fucked up she was fucked up i put her down after that she she killed another dog too she was crazy rescue dog i got her a little too late i got her when she was about nine 10 months old and she'd already been indoctrinated into the world of violence yeah as much as i travel and move around i want the pit bulls there because no one's in her break into my house with the pit bulls and my wife having the gun and everything so We're good.

[778] Or if they do, they're not going to have a good night.

[779] That's a warning, guys.

[780] Yeah, yes, sir.

[781] Yeah, and females are, like, super protective.

[782] They both of them are, yep, yeah.

[783] Yeah, they genuinely love our kids.

[784] Yeah, but females together, like, they're like chicks together.

[785] Like, try having two wives.

[786] Good luck with that shit.

[787] Well, they go together to the restroom, right?

[788] That's what they do.

[789] They go together and stab each other.

[790] It's just something about females.

[791] They just, two men can, they get together, and one of them will decide, or two male dogs.

[792] one of them will decide like okay that guy's the king and I'll just fucking cower when he growls at me but females they fucking they never decide who the alpha is they just go nah that bitch got lucky last time we're going again we're going again right now it's women it's all the time with women if you think about it when my wife comes back for she went out with other women they all this always stress like oh so so so so as cancer so and so is this with us with guys that never comes up right do we ever go oh did you hear about him he got no we're like party have a great time so much sorrow that is so true women always want to tell you who's sick who's got a problem oh she's got chronic fatigue syndrome oh they read on the internet oh i have a headache and they read on the attic oh this could be cancer oh yeah i think i'm cancer right oh yeah all the time my wife's good my wife uh she's on point with stuff she's good about the good positive stuff and lifestyle and take care in the family and she's good she's programmed herself wisely i feel Well, they say that there's, it's like a natural sort of evolutionary path that women get together and talk a lot.

[793] Like, that's one of the reasons why gossip exists so much with women because women would be, you know, gathering food and talking.

[794] And that was one of the ways they figured out who was full of shit and who wasn't.

[795] Whereas the men would be out hunting and they'd be like, shut the fuck out.

[796] Oh, interesting.

[797] Yeah, that's why men value, it's also why men, they value quiet, men who know when to be quiet.

[798] That's important.

[799] And also, they don't value men who wear shiny shit and are really loud and have a lot of junk on and stuff like that.

[800] Because those assholes would get in, they would fuck up hunting parties.

[801] Interesting.

[802] I agree with that.

[803] I don't know if it's right, but it makes sense.

[804] It makes sense to me. I'm believing it.

[805] Women are programmed to do more things simultaneously at the same time.

[806] That's why they can really take care of kids, but they can do anything.

[807] We don't.

[808] We just have one focus and that's it.

[809] That's why with the military and women, I always think it's a dangerous thing.

[810] reason I'm saying a dangerous thing is because the natural inclination for a guy is to protect a woman you know so if something happens everybody wants to automatically that's an instinct that's built into the guy to protect a woman which could of course make a big trouble in the great right I see what opposed to treating them as an equal on the battlefield that's it protect them yeah well maybe training will take that away you know if they train like a guy then they go okay my wife is down she's like She'll fight.

[811] She fought me. Yeah, she's, too, yeah.

[812] I'm afraid of her.

[813] I can't, like, I can't, like, if I, like, play too rough with the kids, like, I'll see her looking at me, watching over across the gym.

[814] I'm like, oh, shit, I think they're playing nice with him, you know?

[815] Like, she'll come and fuck me up, man. She's, she's awesome.

[816] Well, watch the keeper.

[817] Well, there's strange times because we're asking women to take on a lot of the traits and characteristics of men.

[818] You know, it's, and some of them want to, and I understand that, but for some, they feel like they're required to and I don't necessarily know if that's what they want you know I just but I think society wants a woman to be a breadwinner they want women to contribute and compete with men in the workplace in a lot of ways and a lot of women want to do that too quality yeah yeah and then you like when you see that and then when it comes to the military it's very difficult to say like oh women shouldn't be on the battlefield because then all sudden you say what are you sexist you know but but you know it's not traditionally a female open option Yeah.

[819] If that's the path you want to go, then go ahead.

[820] I want to be me, you be you, we'll have fun.

[821] Yeah, I get that.

[822] I mean, there's some women that I think to probably gravitate dirt's killing people.

[823] They'd probably think it would be a lot of fun.

[824] Well, if you're a feminist, then also when you see a spider, don't let us get rid of the spider.

[825] They all want to pay power, power in it, and there's some of them, you know, oh, no, no, I do everything myself.

[826] A spider, we can't take a spider.

[827] I said, well, that's your job right now as well.

[828] Yeah, I guess so.

[829] I was reading something about arachnophobia, where they were thinking that a rachnophobia, where they were thinking that arachnophobia which is a fear of spiders and a bunch of different like snake phobias and a bunch different phobias might literally be the memory of your ancestors like someone you know in like someone your ancestors know died in front of them got bit by a spider or they almost died and they got bit by spider and that shit is just hardwired in your DNA I see that some people will see a fucking spider and they can't move they freak out and it doesn't make any sense my daughter freaks out when a wasp comes by she'll just freeze I'm like whole shit I got to go pick her up or swap the the wasp away we have wasps in our area so she just freezes out you fly around you don't know where they're going my daughter's got good footwork she lives yeah she does a hummingbird that makes a lot of noise yeah sometimes when you're like meditating and they're flying in front of them I go when you meditate they come and fuck with you they and I open my eyes this guy came back twice and I look at him I go what's up and he's right in front of me here and he goes maybe he sensed your chi for sure that for sure or he's female maybe it was not a he it's Sensei boss is that Sensei boss sorry if I should be glad El Guapo is meditating in the yard we were just talking about Sensei before he arrived as far as I like to go back to this but again he's the first one that I was aware of that actually did elevation training when he came to Colorado so already said that but also what he did is he took combinations and then chunk them together with hence numbers like four if you say four in the root and system is jab cross cross so again is that same idea of taking the combination and chunking it together because if I would say jump across across that's a lot more time than me just saying four right and that concept is what it took to continue the to develop the system and just the idea to be able to communicate TJ on the pads or in the cage with limited time just calling simple commands or combinations so we can actually make sure that the fights don't take place not getting too sidetracked you know he's got a really interesting system is uh mark henry mark henry who trains edson barbosa frankie edgar he's a fantastic trainer like one of the most underrated guys in the business.

[830] Rashad Evans told me that he will name combinations after his daughter, like Rashad's daughter, like certain things.

[831] And they changes them with every camp.

[832] With every camp, the names change, so no one's ever going to be able to pattern you.

[833] The other corners are not going to have any fucking idea what he's calling out.

[834] Tyson used to do that.

[835] Tyson?

[836] He used to change the numbers all the time because they would have the number system, but then every time he would change the number so nobody could pick up.

[837] I feel like we do too much shit If you change If you're gonna change shit up on me man I'll be so lost We're always adding He's got a system We do an online system We do his own academy Which he teaches You know the basic stuff I mean boss We got a boss combo We do You know we got my combo Stuff like that We'll put it online But then we always switch shit up So each camp My combo might be different You know But if he completely switched All of it up I'd be lost We would do too much as it is I'd be lost Yeah we did the boss combo today Right, like when you're trying to remember all these different things and put them all, like the Ramon Deckers, there's like 50 shots in a row.

[838] Yeah, that sounds like Decker's.

[839] Yeah, it does.

[840] The Decker's, like, stuff like that, the Tyson and the Decker's, those things kind of tie together.

[841] You're doing things you're supposed to do naturally anyways.

[842] Like, you know, you're returning with the same punch and slipping and then rolling into the body and kicking inside and then kicking the head.

[843] Those are supposed to come together no matter what.

[844] He's just making it a combo.

[845] So once you stop thinking about the combo, you just naturally.

[846] start to do it.

[847] Put on the reps. With the Tyson, he's falling the hooks up with coming to the body and then the uppercut.

[848] So it's kind of stuff that ties together and it's a lot easier to remember.

[849] It has to flow, has to flow.

[850] Natural intuition.

[851] Yeah, boss, before you got here, we were talking about the level of MMA right now is so fascinating because there's so much depth and people are getting so much better and there's so many different styles and it just seems like such an exciting time right now for MMA.

[852] It is.

[853] It is really exciting.

[854] For me, the first big change that happened in MMA was that everybody and I was in shape.

[855] Finally.

[856] You remember we had all these guys running out of gas.

[857] I got, dude, that's like being a painter, like half a can of paint, do a job.

[858] He said, I'll run out of paint.

[859] I'm sorry.

[860] You know, it's the dumbest thing there is.

[861] Go run a hill.

[862] You know what one guy one time told me?

[863] I said, yeah, but on my heavyweight, I said, K. Velascus.

[864] And he goes, yeah, but he trains really hard.

[865] Also, he's Mexican.

[866] And I look at him.

[867] Are you kidding?

[868] Yeah.

[869] You just gave the answer.

[870] Just train really hard.

[871] Nice.

[872] That's the thing.

[873] And there's a science behind it now, too.

[874] You know how to train when.

[875] to train that hard and which ways to do it, how to make your body bigger if you need to or faster if you need more endurance to train that way.

[876] So, I mean, it's just like all these other sports.

[877] It's becoming a real sport.

[878] But to back up my Mexican theory.

[879] I talked to Crazy Bob Cook and Crazy Bob Cook said, Cain will take like a month off or two months off, get hurt, you know, something like that, has to rest up an injury, not trained, come back and outwork everybody.

[880] Oh, so not fair, man. That's Benavis too.

[881] That is not happening.

[882] We were talking about Gilbert Melendez, another one, fantastic cardio.

[883] A lot of Mexicans have crazy fucking cardio man I always had good cardio just it might just be the well it's because you don't love a heart too he has a good cardio because he doesn't calm down yeah I don't you know if he shows up here early for the podcast he's out in the parking lot shadow boxing you know what I mean he's not scared the neighbors he's not on his phone hanging out like you know most people waiting for whatever he's got to do to happen he's always doing something always crazy but he goes 100 % the thing with Dwayne is when you hold focus in with Typats for Dwayne you cannot say oh you cannot take a break for five seconds and say listen make sure that you do it you go he wants to keep keep going keep going hard the whole time i said guys step back do this different now okay just relax constantly he's in my face you know he wants to go 100 % all the time he does that to me holding me so on the other end of it like i'll be hitting mitts will be going for like an hour hour and a half i'm just like you know dead tired of so my my faints and my fork have gotten so good because how much he's in my face like he'll come at me at nonstop want me to throw combos and I am so dead tired I'll faint and move you know what I mean like give me some time let me breathe let me breathe you know it's good for the GoPro good cause of developing your skill set in martial arts as a whole so there's a purpose to it we were talking about how interesting it's been how Dwayne has transitioned so well into becoming a trainer you know was that a challenge for you going from being a great fighter to being a great trainer no no it wasn't it's for me it's always been like um riding shotgun you know or for that matter we were talking about if a student fights I'm more nervous than the student at that moment then I would be when I would fight for myself because then I'm in control so no but sometimes it's difficult if you don't have the right student right if your student is not responding and it's yeah it's very hard it's what you have those you know it's but a lot of them don't a lot of these fighters don't listen to their corners still till this day top fighters I mean you hear the corner constantly screaming they don't do what they're doing.

[884] They think they can see it better, you know, but once there is a trust, you know, and there was always a good trust between Duane and myself, and the same with him and TJ.

[885] Then he knows what you're seeing.

[886] That's probably going to work, you know, and he will do it.

[887] Like, if I would say four to Duane in a fight, it will come out less than a second later.

[888] I will just shout four, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, and come out right away.

[889] If you, if you could enhance my voice when he's fighting, it's a video game.

[890] He does, it's just a perfect listening.

[891] Get a bowhorn.

[892] The UFC shall allow bowhorns.

[893] No, no, I did that.

[894] In the UFC, I brought a megaphone because I thought everybody was screaming and they actually put it in the contract after that.

[895] That you were not allowed anymore.

[896] Watch my fight against Kwasaki.

[897] Short combinations.

[898] You hear like this loud voice.

[899] Because I figured in Japan they're quiet, but here everybody's going to scream, I'm not going to hear them.

[900] So Avi, Avi Rubin, the old owner of the Beverly Hills Jizzer Club, says, I'm going to bring a megaphone.

[901] They go, yeah, that's a good idea.

[902] That is a great idea.

[903] It's not just like a tube, like a roll of toilet paper or something like that?

[904] Yeah.

[905] Could that work?

[906] Well, I'll try it.

[907] Depends.

[908] One of those orange cones.

[909] Yeah, nice.

[910] I always did it when I've seen them.

[911] I like those cones.

[912] The reason why I brought that up about training fighters is because there's an interesting parallel between you two guys.

[913] Both great fighters and then both wind up having great students, you having Dwayne as a student and Dwayne as a student and a bunch.

[914] Yeah, I mean, there's a lot to that.

[915] There is, you know, but it's all connection.

[916] And that's with everything in life.

[917] You know, once there is a connection, that is, if people, you know, if I don't care for him, you know, if he's not a good guy.

[918] You know, and that's what some fighters also, they come in, they just work out, they're gone again.

[919] You know, they don't build a relationship.

[920] And once that happens, it will, it hurts their fighting.

[921] I guarantee you that.

[922] Yeah, I'm sure.

[923] And for fighters, it's really a problem when you build a relationship with the wrong trainer.

[924] And then you've got to leave that guy.

[925] And, you know, you have this tight bond with someone who doesn't really know enough.

[926] Yeah.

[927] That's a hard one.

[928] Yeah.

[929] I've seen that many times.

[930] And when they leave, people get super butt hurt, it gets to be a real problem.

[931] Yeah, but if it's real, it's real.

[932] And I always say, you know, I say to my daughter, so you say, what do I tell the guy?

[933] I said, just tell the truth, you know, can't go wrong with the truth.

[934] The guy, sorry, you know.

[935] It's like on Inside M .MA, I would say about the certified, oh, he, that guy, that sucked or this sucked.

[936] And they say, yeah, but what if we're going to get him on the show?

[937] I said, I'll say the same thing.

[938] And if he tells me that I'm wrong, he can't say because it did suck.

[939] You know, you've got just got to be honest.

[940] There's nothing you can do.

[941] Yeah, it doesn't mean they suck as a human being.

[942] No. It just means that in that moment, that was the wrong thing to do or they didn't execute it properly or, you know.

[943] Yeah, and then I have to be on point to as far as a trainer with the fighters.

[944] I'm coaching, I've got to make sure I'm calling the right commands at the right time as well.

[945] And that goes back to the relationship that you have and making sure you have that connection.

[946] When you also have to know your fighter's capabilities.

[947] Exactly, exactly.

[948] You know, you have to, when you have a great racehorse, you know, everything becomes so much more interesting because you have all these options and there's so much mental behind it too like duane knows how to coach me too you know like not everyone responds to negative energy not some people respond to negative energy right like danie castillo you got to tell danie castillo like you're doing that like an idiot come on yeah he responds to fix that you know and he's like okay yeah and he'll do it better with me and dway and it's a little more you know you know got to pump the guy up maybe a little bit tell him what he's doing right instead of what he's doing wrong you know so you got to know how to coach each fighter and once you build that relationship like is talking about, you don't let it go.

[949] There's very few things that are as painful as listening to bad corner work.

[950] Oh, that's fun.

[951] I had a guy.

[952] Went down to his liver and the corner, cross, who cross?

[953] I go, he just, you don't want him to throw a right hand right now.

[954] You know, let him keep that here so the liver is protected.

[955] And I go, yeah, that's an idiot.

[956] Exactly.

[957] Who does that?

[958] Yeah, I see that.

[959] Did you watch the fights this weekend?

[960] Yeah, I did.

[961] What did you think about Stipe and Alston?

[962] Man, that was crazy.

[963] That was so crazy.

[964] I made the four, three or four last punches he gave, I mean, they're on an inch.

[965] They're all exact at the same spot.

[966] He's got really good precision.

[967] Yeah, it just stopped him.

[968] And he got hit hard.

[969] He waved it off.

[970] But then the guillotine, and we know, 11 guillotines, I believe, that he had before.

[971] And tight ones.

[972] He put me in at one time.

[973] I said, I want to feel it.

[974] I go, whoa, this is a really tight guilty.

[975] But he got out.

[976] Yeah.

[977] He's a freak athlete.

[978] He really is.

[979] And he's a very likable guy.

[980] He's awesome.

[981] Yeah.

[982] Steve is a good guy.

[983] Well, we were talking about his composure.

[984] Yes, sir.

[985] He's so composed.

[986] Like in Brazil when he fought Fabricio, when he was like in a stare -down, he's just dead -faced.

[987] He's got his own dead face.

[988] It's not like a Fador dead face or a cane dead face.

[989] He's got his own dead face.

[990] But those guys, they can just stay completely calm, you know, in that incredible environment of being there in Brazil, 45 ,000 plus people screaming for Fabrizio over doom and he just shuts his lights out.

[991] Yeah, that's one of the things that's our own, our main battle, right, is being able to control ourselves.

[992] And he looks to have mastered that ability to control his own emotions and make sure he's directing the energy in the right path.

[993] So, Steve A, good job, good ass, hopper.

[994] He's a bad motherfucker.

[995] It would be interesting to see if someone got into his head the way, like, you and Dominic were going after each other, or the way Connor got into Aldo's head.

[996] Right.

[997] Yes, good point.

[998] That was a master class and fucking with someone's head.

[999] Absolutely.

[1000] I mean, Connor took Aldo completely out of his element.

[1001] Or he was just so frazzled by the time they actually met each other inside the octagon.

[1002] I think with the ovarym and the steep is the same as Holman and Rousey.

[1003] You know, Rousie is intimidating everybody the way she is.

[1004] And when she's at the stare down, that's when she lost it because she realized Holly didn't care at all.

[1005] She was just there, I'm going to hurt you.

[1006] And that's the same with Steve.

[1007] Everybody is intimidated by Overeem, and you should be because he's a monster.

[1008] But I think Overeem could see in his face already, he's not in that.

[1009] This guy has absolutely, you know, and then when you fight a guy like that, that little voice starts playing in your mind when it gets bad, you know, and that's why maybe we saw these crazy things of running away, you know, which I say it's a good thing because I said the same thing against Colonel McGregor, but you know, for a big, huge heavyweight, it doesn't look good, you know, and now you set yourself up more as a victim because he's following you in.

[1010] And that all is an input in your own brain.

[1011] Because now you start telling you say, oh, I know everybody thinks I'm hurt or that I'm, you should.

[1012] Or that I'm, I'm afraid.

[1013] Am I afraid?

[1014] You know, there's the whole doubt thing that goes on in the mind.

[1015] There's always these two voices, I say.

[1016] So one voice wants to quit and the other voice wants to go, right?

[1017] You know, you're a really bad situation and then say, okay, call it quits, call it quits.

[1018] And then suddenly the other one goes, no, no, no, no, no, wait, wait.

[1019] We're not going to know.

[1020] Let's just see what happens, you know?

[1021] And then suddenly you come out of the situation.

[1022] Like, I was about to tap in my second fight, but then the audience started cheering for him.

[1023] And then my ego took over, I go, okay, I get out of the situation.

[1024] And then 30 seconds later, I knocked him out to the need to the least, And I go, okay, this is the last time I'm going to think like that because the bad voice, stay away from the bad voice.

[1025] Yeah, focus on what you can control on that yourself, right?

[1026] Did you ever use any psychological training?

[1027] Did you ever talk to a sports psychologist or anything like that, or is it all self -taught?

[1028] All self -taught, but what I did a lot is talking to myself and people might laugh about that, but I'm very honest to myself.

[1029] Like people say, oh, are you nervous to fight?

[1030] No, no, why not?

[1031] What can happen?

[1032] What can really happen?

[1033] He's going to knock me out?

[1034] Well, it's going to be hard because it's never happened before.

[1035] before, but if it happens, well, I'm not going to feel it.

[1036] Apparently, you know, you're going to go down.

[1037] Submission.

[1038] Is the submission?

[1039] Is that really so bad?

[1040] I'm going to tap.

[1041] So what is so really so bad?

[1042] Well, the really bad thing is listening to all the crap that all the not so good fans are going to tell you afterwards on social media.

[1043] But if you just care, remember last time I told the story from in the room, if you take a fighter and who's normally a nervous fighter, this is what I tell my students who are nervous when they have to compete.

[1044] I say, okay, imagine now, the guys right here, we with you in the room.

[1045] We locked the door.

[1046] Nobody can go in there.

[1047] You guys fight.

[1048] And when you come out, you're not allowed to say who won or lose.

[1049] Do you really care if you would lose?

[1050] And he goes, no, because everybody can lose.

[1051] I say, well, that's the mindset you should have when you go to a fight.

[1052] That's my mindset.

[1053] You know, winning or losing, I'm going to win.

[1054] I'm going to do everything in my power to win.

[1055] But if I lose, so what?

[1056] You know, we're human.

[1057] We come out of it.

[1058] I say, you make, you overcomplicate things.

[1059] Certain combinations when I say, four, and then I do four punches to the head.

[1060] And then I say, I'm going to, we stay with this combination, the only thing we're going to change are the heights.

[1061] So now I'm going to say you do the four punch, it's a left, right straight, left hook, right straight.

[1062] I'm going to say, okay, body, head, head, head.

[1063] Now you're the first one has to go to the body, head, head, head, head, body, head, head, head, body, body, body.

[1064] I mean, now you can make like 12 combinations from just a four punch, you know, and, but some people, when I tell it to my students, sometimes they overthink it.

[1065] They're going to, oh, no, I say, no, just think body had do the same combination but they start thinking oh that's a liver shot that no that's not liver shut the body just you know keep it simple and once you can keep it simple it's much easier to to do well it's one of the things that we were talking about earlier was the the amount of fighting that is mental and the amount that is your attitude and how you feel about things and how you go into things and just your enthusiasm like Travis brown we were talking about Travis brown who earlier in his career was this fucking stone cold killer I mean he had out all his crazy footwork.

[1066] He'd throw a lot of kicks.

[1067] And, like, remember he knocked out Stefan's True with that Superman punch?

[1068] Oh, that's right, yeah.

[1069] God damn, he was so unpredictable and wild.

[1070] I was like, this motherfucker's going to be the heavyweight champ.

[1071] Like, just give him out, give him some time.

[1072] And then he moved to Jackson's.

[1073] He's training at a great camp.

[1074] But he just doesn't seem, I mean, maybe there's a few losses in a row.

[1075] He doesn't seem to have that fire anymore.

[1076] Did he lose when he was at Jackson's?

[1077] He changed camps.

[1078] Yes.

[1079] Right?

[1080] He started losing after he changed camps.

[1081] Most of the time, and this is what I tell people, like my stretch routine, and every time when I say this, they ask me, what is your stretch routine?

[1082] I do the same stretch routine as I did 23 years ago when I started.

[1083] Same routine.

[1084] And the reason is, it never got me an injury.

[1085] So if it's a winning combination, don't break it.

[1086] And it's the same with your team.

[1087] If it's a winning combination, do not break it.

[1088] Once you break, how many fighters you see changing camp or firing a trainer or firing a manager or somebody who always helped them and suddenly they start losing, you broke the spell.

[1089] whatever you want to call it, the mystical thing that was going on.

[1090] That was working.

[1091] Don't break it.

[1092] Why would you?

[1093] Yeah, but it's so rare that you find the perfect person.

[1094] Like, if you're with Johnny McFuckstick in Columbus, Ohio, and he's a shitty coach, and you've been with him forever, and you've got this some weird bond with him, and then Farras is a hobby wants to train you, and you're like, God damn.

[1095] Yeah, but what do you do?

[1096] There's a lot of intangible.

[1097] Not everybody runs into boss rooting right off the bat.

[1098] You know, because I tell all my students, I say, listen, I teach straight out two times a week, go anywhere you want.

[1099] Any gym?

[1100] I don't mind, guys.

[1101] You want to spar with other guys go anywhere you want.

[1102] But the problem is if you have that guy you're talking about who doesn't know anything, he's going to be butt hurt.

[1103] He's going to be, okay, you cannot go, you cannot go.

[1104] But a good coach will say go.

[1105] Yes.

[1106] Just train everywhere.

[1107] If you can find something better, please do.

[1108] Perfect example is Duke Rufus, who's a great coach.

[1109] And Petis, Anthony Petis, started training at Jackson's.

[1110] He just wanted new looks.

[1111] He wanted different things.

[1112] He wanted to mix things up.

[1113] And he had some great success doing that.

[1114] And he also cares about Anthony Pettis.

[1115] He wants him to do that.

[1116] He cares about his career.

[1117] He wants him to do that.

[1118] to grow.

[1119] And so he's like, yes, please go do this.

[1120] Yeah, and Dwayne's told me. Every time I went up and trained with Farras at TriStar.

[1121] He loved it.

[1122] He loved the idea.

[1123] Go up there, get some new looks, get some new technique, grow, you know.

[1124] Those are real friends.

[1125] Those are real people that care about you and they want you to have the best thing in your life.

[1126] I sent Dwayne to other camps.

[1127] Right?

[1128] I mean, he went to Chuck Schamp also.

[1129] Yep.

[1130] Yep.

[1131] To train.

[1132] Well, there's a small handful, maybe half a dozen or more, of really truly elite camps right now.

[1133] You know, there's American Top Team, of course.

[1134] There's a few that you could go over.

[1135] of places where you really kind of can't go wrong.

[1136] It's really just a matter of finding the right combination for you, too, right?

[1137] I mean, some camps are more grappling heavy and you might be more of a striker.

[1138] We've seen that happen too, you know, the guys just kind of get the wrong formula.

[1139] It's the thing, if you're a great striker, go to a more grappling -oriented camp.

[1140] That's what I always say.

[1141] You got the striking.

[1142] That's what I decided, okay, this is it.

[1143] Forget about striking three times a day submissions.

[1144] That was it.

[1145] Never lost again.

[1146] It's just doing what you're not comfortable.

[1147] at and do that a lot and make sure you get comfortable at it and that's it wonder boy's a great example of that you started training with wideman who was a great wrestler and it just completely changed his confidence and his stand up and now he's so loose standing up you're getting to see the same wonder boy that was i mean i think he was like 57 and oh as a kickboxer something fucking crazy like that and you see those skills now because good luck taking that guy down correct you know he's getting mauled by chris wyven all time wideman who's a big 185 you know exactly yeah that There's so many levels to mix martial arts, so many areas.

[1148] We could obviously take the three easy ones with the striking, the wrestling, and then the grappling, right?

[1149] So with those now, what's your style?

[1150] What's your skill set?

[1151] Now, with that being said, you've got to make sure you're getting with the best people in those three areas also.

[1152] But now we can take it in the fourth account, which since I said earlier is the conditioning aspect now.

[1153] So there's a lot of pieces of the puzzle, and you can't just go to one guy.

[1154] You can't just go to a boxing coach.

[1155] Well, if the boxing coach isn't really familiar with MMA because things are different, And as we point out today with the distances, right?

[1156] And then using the switches because of the further distance.

[1157] So you've got to make sure you have the correct people that understand the mixed martial arts game.

[1158] Because if you go to an expert karate guy who doesn't understand MMA, that's not going to work.

[1159] No matter how much you guys love each other, it's not going to work.

[1160] You have to have MMA in the mix.

[1161] Yeah, you go to a wrestling coach who doesn't know how to strike.

[1162] He's not going to learn how to close the distances with punches to build a time your takedowns.

[1163] He's going to want to grab a hold of you and move you around to shoot on you.

[1164] He might also not understand where you're in vulnerable positions for submissions.

[1165] Like a lot of wrestlers are still shoot that double with the neck on the outside.

[1166] Yeah, yeah.

[1167] And, I mean, they just haven't figured the distance out or the difference in the technique out.

[1168] Yep, agreed.

[1169] Yeah, that's why I love this trio and this lineage because I'm taking what Sense has done as much as I can than what I've done and then adding that up and I'll pass again at TJ's way and this is a direct line of lineage of martial arts information that's been expedited and it's awesome to have an actual martial art family and just keep passed along with the knowledge.

[1170] It's fun for me as a martial art nerd.

[1171] It's also interesting because TJ has that wrestling background as well.

[1172] And I think that's a big factor in his success because he's incorporating all of your techniques and your techniques.

[1173] And then on top of that, you've got that elite of athleticism and then the wrestling base.

[1174] So you've got awesome takedown defense and takedowns.

[1175] And also, I really firmly believe there's something about wrestlers that fucking grind of dieting and starving yourself and dehydrating yourself and the mental toughness that you get from certain wrestlers, it's like it's off the charts.

[1176] I've still, still to this day, never done anything harder than wrestling, even with all the aspects of martial arts and fighting.

[1177] Like, fighting to me is, it's a lot easier than a grind of a wrestling season.

[1178] You know, I wrestle at Cal State Fullerton where we started way to her.

[1179] Like I said, I overworked myself and pushed through a ninth month's season being completely strict on everything, my diet, my, you know, I'm not going out and having fun with my friends because I'm wrestling and then wrestling every weekend and just such a hard practice.

[1180] Like still today, we do two days a week of wrestling practice.

[1181] I'm like, damn, I don't want to go wrestling.

[1182] I just love wrestling I'm gonna get hurt I'm gonna have to go really hard like man wrestling I've done you know it's tough man and it definitely does breed mental toughness and then you're learning how to compete on your own every weekend when you're training a team elevation you're doing wrestling practice are you doing strictly wrestling are you putting wrestling shoes on and you're doing like full on wrestling like you know a competition between your teammates are you doing that kind we do that as well as we do in May wrestling as well you know there's different forms of it but yeah I'll go throw my wrestling shoes on and we're doing matches you know it depends on where we're at we'll do situations and yeah we're doing full -on real wrestling practices is there a benefit to having wrestling shoes on though because you're not going to fight with them on your defense will become way better if you wear shoes so it's so much easier to get out of a takedown without it you can't like a single leg you should not get taken down in a single leg if you do you're i mean it's so easy to slide your leg out on a single leg but with a wrestling shoe on i can't i can't just go to that easy defense i have to use my hips I have to cover his head.

[1183] I have to use all these positions that have a better defense with my shoes on.

[1184] So it's the difference between, like, grappling with ghee and no ghee?

[1185] Is it that kind of a thing?

[1186] Yeah, I mean, so in college I shot high singles.

[1187] That's what I shot.

[1188] I shoot a high single.

[1189] A guy tried to turn and kick out.

[1190] I would catch his shoe and then take his back.

[1191] And MMA, a guy turns and kicks out all the time.

[1192] So a high single leg is not going to work anymore.

[1193] So, yeah, I mean, like with a ghee on, you can't get away with certain things.

[1194] You can't just slip out of a submission.

[1195] You can't just slip out of an arm bar and roll out of it.

[1196] You actually have to have the real technique of getting out of it.

[1197] if this guy is so good at it, you know?

[1198] So, yeah, it's learning you to do the defense the right way instead of using the cheat moves, you know?

[1199] That's interesting.

[1200] Would it be okay if you did it with no shoes on and your opponent did it with shoes on because that way you would have the slipperiness of being barefoot?

[1201] So if I'm wrestling against a kid that I know is coming in from, like, in college and he's really good, I am not wearing shoes.

[1202] I'm not going to wear shoes like Chad Mendes, like one of the best wrestlers in the world at practice, he'll never ever wear shoes now he doesn't his defense is ridiculous he just pushes you off his leg like the way he'll stand now too is because he'll only let you shoot a single leg because he knows how easy it is to get out of it and uh he'll he'll never ever wear shoes again wrestling ever since grappling but don't you think the the injuries the twisting knees come from shoes wearing shoes because a lot of guys they do it on the wrestling mat and that's still okay that because it might slip a little bit but as soon as you step on the judo mat with shoes you're planting your feet and then with upper body motion rotation something's going to a twist because a lot of injuries happen with wrestling, right?

[1203] Yeah, you got better, you got a better traction.

[1204] So you got to know, I mean, I've wrestled my entire life.

[1205] I guess I kind of know my positioning with wrestling shoes on and stuff.

[1206] But I think it creates better habits to have your shoes on while wrestling, you know, because you're not going to be able to get away with a, we call it a stanky leg where you just whip your leg out.

[1207] If I have a grip and it's a, what you want is the grip above your knee, but as soon as I get your grip below my knee just by pushing it down, I'm just sliding my leg out.

[1208] There's got to be a similar situation to wearing gloves, right?

[1209] Like when you're trying to limp arm at a certain positions, you have those, yeah.

[1210] Real naked is really hard to finish with gloves on, yeah.

[1211] Any kind of grappling we do at elevation is with our gloves on, you know, because I'm catching certain moves and wrist, I can wrist ride differently.

[1212] I can't chokes are different.

[1213] I can't slide it as easy behind your head.

[1214] You've got to learn all those things with gloves on as well.

[1215] Some people think that it would be a safer sport without gloves.

[1216] Probably.

[1217] It's going to be less more bloody, though.

[1218] A lot more bloody, right?

[1219] A lot more bloody, that's the thing, the guts and everything.

[1220] into breaking hands yeah but you would learn a lot more effective striking like you really couldn't just unload on a guy and just hit anything so for ross i was up training up at try star he's like hey i recommend like at least like once a day once every other day hitting the back with no gloves on you know get that proper technique of knowing how to hit something with no gloves on so you don't have that padding or protecting if i got a 16 or 10 ounce glove i'm able to just go away on that bag and punch it as hard as i want i don't have to punch right but if i don't have gloves on and i'm hitting that as hard as i can i have to hit it correct that's to have your right knuckle placement to put it on that bag yeah i mean that's what a lot of karate and traditional martial arts guys believe they believe that those gloves are actually giving you the sort of false sense of of your abilities you know because your wrists are all wrapped up your hands are all wrapped up you know you get thysen how many times did he break his hands in a street fight all the time Mitch blood green because they they perfectly tape his hands up in training and then when he has to hit without on the other side you know hitting a bag and but because if you do it wrong like if you're hitting a back bare knuckle because I had a guy who told me my my coach is a really good coach because he lets us hit the back until our hands bleed I say your coach is an idiot that's what your coach is I said because if this happens four weeks before the fight guess what's going to happen every single workout when you hit you're going to reopen the cuts it's going to hurt every first of your workout right yeah so yeah if you do perfect and the impact is perfect but as soon as you hit and you slide a little bit and you shave a knuckle off well four weeks before the fight you That's not going to heal anymore because you reopen it every time.

[1221] One of the interesting things about MMA is how we're still kind of learning and there's no right approach for everybody.

[1222] Everybody's approach is different.

[1223] Like the approach for Damien Maia is going to be different than the approach for Wonderboy.

[1224] It's going to be different than your approach.

[1225] And it's so difficult to figure out who's right.

[1226] I mean, it's really based on the success of the past.

[1227] Well, if we take away the gloves, everyone's going to turn into Wonderboy's kicking with Damien Maia's grappling.

[1228] Yeah.

[1229] If we take away the gloves.

[1230] Well, there'll be a lot more chokes.

[1231] A lot more chokes and a lot more kicks if they take away the gloves.

[1232] There we go.

[1233] Yeah, I mean, it would be so much easier to sink chokes in, so much harder to defend.

[1234] Yeah.

[1235] So we definitely have to change up the commands then.

[1236] Now, when it comes to, like, if you look at football or baseball or any professional sport, they pretty much have protocols that are very similar.

[1237] Like, most teams have pretty similar protocols as far as, like, training and how they prepare their athletes.

[1238] But with MMA, it's wildly different.

[1239] Like, how, who decides, like for you, who decides when you're doing strength and conditioning, when you're doing hill sprints, when you're doing sparring?

[1240] Like, how do you guys work that out?

[1241] I find someone that I trust completely and then work together with them.

[1242] For my striking and my MMA with Duane, it's something we team up together and think of like, what if I do this?

[1243] What if I do that?

[1244] And then kind of make a perfect plan for myself.

[1245] My strength conditioning coach Lauren and Dow, I believe in him completely of watching him train athletes and peeking me the right way and how I feel person.

[1246] It's all trial and air.

[1247] You know, where I'm at right now, I trust in every single coach that for different aspects.

[1248] Leicester bowling for my wrestling.

[1249] He's been around the game for so long and knows how fighting works that I'm going to trust him in my wrestling techniques and help him pick me apart.

[1250] You know, Elliot Marshall is my jiu -jitsu coach.

[1251] I really believe in Colorado at Elevation Fight Team with me and Dwayne.

[1252] We really got a pretty good to figure it out.

[1253] But someone's going to come in and have a different mindset of what they want to do.

[1254] And if it doesn't work for you, it doesn't work for you.

[1255] Yeah, it's just it's the trial and error and the learning.

[1256] as you go along is so interesting because you know you lose a fight and then you go god what did we fuck up on where did we go wrong do better yeah and then you know maybe you know you get that Joe Silva call like hey you know we have a fight in eight weeks you ready ready to take it I had Joe Silva call me when I was up on a ladder doing the electrical work in the mountains to fight in two weeks and it was against Jonathan Goulet so I said sure I take the fight and then I text boss right away or I call him and I say can you train me is like sure And so go out for weeks So yeah, going back to the point That worked out well The fastest K -O in history Ever We had a fight for that dude We had a fight for that one Yes sir Mr. Rogan, thank you sir I appreciate that So many people were hating on him Having the fastest K -O in history There's a lot of fucking A lot of debate I was like the referee It's wrong It was a wrong call They were saying it was like 11 seconds Or something like that Like bullshit That was sick We played it over and over and over again That was fun We were working on that exact technique just pulling down the jab.

[1257] We're going overhand it right in the back with Sensei and it just wrapped it out, ripped it out.

[1258] It was so fun because I'm leaning over the cage and I'm saying, Dwayne, he's going to come up straight forward.

[1259] I want you to step to the side and just knock him out.

[1260] You will hear me say that, repeating it over and over.

[1261] I say, I don't know what, because every time I have that, I have one time I said he's opening with a right low kick.

[1262] I went you to the counter it.

[1263] And then the guy opens with the right low kick.

[1264] How do you know?

[1265] I have no clue.

[1266] Every time it works with us.

[1267] We end Spilliver, how he knocked them out.

[1268] That combination we worked in the dressing room before.

[1269] I mean, it's all the time with Goulet for some reason, I go, he's going to come straight at you, just move out and just go.

[1270] Don't you think it's kind of data chunking?

[1271] You've seen so many fights and trained so many people.

[1272] You just see things, and you don't even know what you're seeing.

[1273] You just like, you know how sometimes you'll see a guy, like I call it all the time.

[1274] I'll see a guy lift his heel up and he's about throw a right kick.

[1275] Like you just know, for whatever reason.

[1276] Twist a little bit because back kick is coming.

[1277] And then the funny part is when he does a back kick nine out of ten times, the other one throws a back kick.

[1278] So I always thought, I'm going to do this on purpose.

[1279] And hopefully when he makes one, I'm going to catch it this night.

[1280] A little off beats.

[1281] Yeah, off beats, yes, sir.

[1282] Like, I could do this too.

[1283] Yeah, well, it's crazy when people throw back kicks.

[1284] Well, like, probably the most ill -advised back kick of all time is Chris Wydenn versus Luke Rockwell.

[1285] Maybe the most ill -advised back kick.

[1286] That was called at the moment?

[1287] What do you mean?

[1288] His corner called it at the moment?

[1289] I don't know if he called it.

[1290] I think maybe it's better as Luke had been knocked out.

[1291] by Vitor right yeah with a wheel kick so maybe I'm just guessing that Chris decided to throw a wheel kick but it was like you can see it coming it wasn't fast no if you don't know 100 % how to kick I said don't kick and he shouldn't have done it it was way too slow and they saw it coming off a memory of that though when Vitor Belford did it I think I remember correctly Rockhold was against the cage correct because he's trying to circle off right yeah so he was aware of the cage now Wideman's back was against a cage I thought he was close with the cage, then Luke was in that fight.

[1292] I don't believe so.

[1293] No?

[1294] I believe it was the same thing.

[1295] He was moving towards Rockhold.

[1296] I don't remember, though.

[1297] But I remember, Vitor threw it before, and it was the first time I'd ever seen him throw a wheel kick.

[1298] He threw it right before against Rockhold and missed, and he threw it again and landed it.

[1299] Got him.

[1300] He was just, that was, T, R .T. Tor.

[1301] He was just, it was a different Vitor.

[1302] He told me. He told me before, he says, boss, my kicks are going to be, they're getting really good right now.

[1303] I'm going to knock somebody out with it.

[1304] spinning banking through the head i said go for it dude and then you knocked him out well vitor has had so many hand surgeries i believe he's had eight different hand surgeries he's broken his hand so many times that i think he just started concentrating more on kicks you know just see that made a big difference this is going back to uh patterns and you know people lift the heel up you know they're going to throw something yeah well figure out what they're going to do but in that same theory is paying attention to what combinations and what techniques actually land and then chunking those together and making those the system so just being having going back to the language and the vocabulary of high percentage combinations drill them and rep them out so just it's not too bad yeah and know how to really deliver a technique before you attempt it like the first time i ever saw kane velasquez throw a wheel kick ever was in the travis brown fight and it looked fucking perfect it's like what is this guy been hiding this forever like he never threw a wheel kick and all of a sudden it's a perfect wheel kick but it's probably because he had practiced it and drilled it to the point where he's got it down it's like all right time to unleash the wheel kick he has a lifelong martial artist in his corner however you're like this so i'm sure he's seen a million back kicks and can correct him on what to do properly rather than what he's doing wrong yeah it's but it's just it was it's interesting when you see a guy like out of nowhere yes sir pull a technique that you've never seen before well high level athletes i could show tj anything right or watch videos and see something he could pull it off right away it's a great visual learner i'm a great visual learner so the sensei like i can learn by watching tapes and watching somebody do something i can just mimic it so can tj so can sense it's just the way it is i wonder what the next technique that we're going to see that we couldn't believe someone's pulling off inside the eye guy.

[1305] It's been a clothesline, boss with his close line, and elbows to the color bones.

[1306] I saw somebody land a clothesline recently.

[1307] Do that?

[1308] That's fight.

[1309] It's going to be over.

[1310] I saw someone do that, and I was thinking to you, because you've talked about that so many times that, like, go up to a bag.

[1311] They attach to us both on the Twitter feed, right?

[1312] It was a Twitter somebody else.

[1313] It's a close line.

[1314] But the close line, if you really do it, they can cover up with their hands, but you're still going to hit them.

[1315] You loop around, and you loop around to the back of the head, which still outset the Mohawk.

[1316] Yes.

[1317] There's still a legal punch.

[1318] Well, you know, feet is completely legal.

[1319] He moved his head or didn't move his head, and it's his fault.

[1320] Well, also, you know, Eddie Bravo and I had a conversation about this.

[1321] Like, when you hit a guy with a head kick, a lot of times it's landing on the back of the head.

[1322] A lot of times.

[1323] Yeah, it's coming over the shoulder.

[1324] A lot of times, like, the foot is impacting, the instep is hitting the back of the head before anything.

[1325] And nobody's ready for that impact.

[1326] Everybody's impact ready for the side center of the front.

[1327] with Tyson his hooks he was always the smallest guy shortest guy but he would hit his hook almost to the back of the head his hooks was so short and that you know you I always say it you know just hit yourself really gentle with the palm in the back of your head your brain is simply not ready for that yeah um one of the best head kick chaos I've ever seen that came from the back of the head was Ernesto Hughes versus Maurice Smith did you ever see that conversation yeah yeah Jamie find that because it's such a crazy combination the way Hoost gets his leg up, they're in the middle of a clinch, and Maurice, I believe, picks his knee up and Hoost comes over the top and down behind his head.

[1328] Soxio Gajira style.

[1329] Yeah, yeah.

[1330] He used to do this.

[1331] Yeah, he just did a seminar.

[1332] Kicking over to defense.

[1333] Yep.

[1334] Yeah.

[1335] And just like what you say before is say you take a punchment and put it on the head.

[1336] You're going to let me just hit the punchment?

[1337] Like if you have your hands up?

[1338] Yeah.

[1339] It makes no sense.

[1340] Yeah.

[1341] So you know having your hands up, you think the guy's protected now don't punch him.

[1342] Right.

[1343] Put your hands up.

[1344] Let me punch you.

[1345] Let me punch your hands, right?

[1346] That's something especially kick block my kick yeah come on it's a misconception of people when they put a hands up but this is what goes on if I want to hit kick you in the head that I see you put your hand up a normal person automatically takes the power of the kick because he sees his defendant right but if he just would not care and just kick as hard as he can on the defense he will kick him out he's going to knock him out this last weekend we saw yancey maderos fought Sean Spencer Spencer blocked the kick and he took it right to the head check this out real quick this is uh Mori Smith versus Ernesto who's play play the whole thing so you could see the combination see boom look how he does it in the clinch with the knee boom yeah that is uh rommel decker's kind of style you know like the push and the kick to the head he started with that at all the way he was able to bring it up and around like that too it's just crazy if you realize he was in a clinch he'll block the shoulder almost pull his hand down for him yeah kind of guides his hand out of the way so his kicks and it come up and lay me in the head that's also where like flexibility is so critical like there's no more important thing when it comes to kicking technique than flexibility because if you don't have the flexibility your body's all stiff and it doesn't move right and you just can't there's no no one can do that unless that you're flexible yeah got a stretch can I do the stretch this is a complete animal man this such a good guy and all that all the fights he's awesome he came in and all this who is that one Croatian dude that kept knocking him out he knocked him out yeah that fucking guy hit so hard what an animal yeah Yeah.

[1347] His K, he was the first K -1 champion.

[1348] He was an animal.

[1349] That's right.

[1350] That's right.

[1351] Satake.

[1352] He knocked him out.

[1353] His muscles also, when you see it, he's like a different kind of muscle it almost looks like.

[1354] He's very strong.

[1355] Yeah, there's some dudes like that.

[1356] Took a long time for him to break the ice with me. And suddenly he came to me and he goes, you're a funny guy.

[1357] But it took like four times of meeting him.

[1358] He had no clue what to expect.

[1359] That's a hard part of the world.

[1360] Croatian is a hard part of the world Probably tough to relax in that area Gotta be on guard the whole time I think to this day The greatest stare down of all time Was Crow Cop versus Vandalay Van der Leigh would mean mug everybody And it would work He looked at Crow Cop And Crocop looked at him like Motherfucker I'll cut your head off Yeah It was like oh he did almost He wasn't a little too high With the gig That was the second fight That was the second fight But in the first fight I mean you never saw the eyes of a killer more than that one time.

[1361] Because, I mean, he was ahead of an anti -terrorist squadron in Croatia.

[1362] But you see, I go back again.

[1363] That was Vendelay, always intimidating somebody, and now you have suddenly a guy who does not care.

[1364] Not only that, your strong suit is striking, and you're taking on one of the most explosive structures to ever compete in MMA, and a guy who was a legit K -1 -level striker.

[1365] But it was interesting how that that style really worked really well.

[1366] Like, here it is.

[1367] Like, look at this, stare -down.

[1368] Look at the fuck out of here.

[1369] Look at that fucking stare -down.

[1370] I mean, that's goddamn terrifying, and I'm not even there.

[1371] Yeah.

[1372] That is legit as fuck.

[1373] He's not believing in Vandale very much.

[1374] But it's interesting because Kro -K -K -1, but he was never the elite of the elite.

[1375] Right, agreed.

[1376] But his style, that explosive one -shot style, translated so well to MMA, whereas maybe, like, Ernesto style, would not have translated that well because he was more technical and he would set things up more what I say no single kicks I always say because they can be countered and I always say or you kick like Miracle Krookup because if you then kick really hard on the defense you're buying yourself a little bit more time because you force them to block it but some of these guys with the left kicks if they're the orthodox they can't kick I say take the kick it's going to give you a rash I mean it's not going to do anything it's not going to kick a muscle just counter the kick well when Krocop is a full blast kick you're going to be forced to block and then you can counter which buys him a little bit of time to get out of the way again.

[1377] That was T .J. and his last half of the senseo just went for the kick and just step in through the cross time him on the way in.

[1378] Well, there's levels to everything, right?

[1379] And there's levels to kicking and Edson Barbosa's switch kick.

[1380] Nice, yes.

[1381] That's one of those things where I watched that and I go, what the fuck?

[1382] I've never seen anybody switch kick that fast.

[1383] He just whack!

[1384] Quitch.

[1385] Or is his inside leg kick?

[1386] He can win a whole fight with it.

[1387] It's a bunch of old Benny the jet video.

[1388] His spinning back kick to the body?

[1389] Oh yeah.

[1390] he's back in to the body against Fujiwara.

[1391] I mean, I saw that Kings of the Square Ring when you see him you can hear the impact on the body it goes.

[1392] You see the guy crumble.

[1393] Benny the Jet was insane.

[1394] Bad motherfucker.

[1395] By far the best American kickboxer ever.

[1396] Yeah, he's without that one of them for sure.

[1397] I would say him and then I would say Rick Rufus.

[1398] Such a pioneer too.

[1399] He was doing that back when there was really no one at that level.

[1400] I mean, he was at such a high level.

[1401] Such a wild dude, too.

[1402] Again, Mexican.

[1403] Was he a Native American?

[1404] Is he?

[1405] Is he?

[1406] Oh, is he?

[1407] I think so.

[1408] Or maybe a mix, but I'm pretty sure.

[1409] Because he's come out with the headdress and stuff as well.

[1410] Blinky Rodriguez, who was his brother -in -law, was Mexican.

[1411] I saw him in Holland coming in.

[1412] He was fighting Spang.

[1413] Ewan Spang, was a big, black guy, strong, strong kickboxer, and Benny never fought with low kicks.

[1414] And Spong is murdering him in the first round.

[1415] Everybody's for Spang.

[1416] and keep going, and he gets low kick, low kick, I don't know how he stayed in the fight, Benny, right?

[1417] In the second round, he starts coming in a little bit, and it was five rounds, five at the time, because tie boxing in the third round, and now Benny DeJet starts coming back, and suddenly Spang starts spinning out his mouthpiece because he needed an extra break and then he did it again, and he did it again, and there it was like Rocky versus Ivan Drago.

[1418] You saw literally the whole audience changed from being for the Dutch guy to be for Benny the Jet, because they realized this guy is so tough, and he keeps hanging in there, and then Benny DeJat stopped him in the fourth round.

[1419] It was the craziest thing.

[1420] People were going nuts.

[1421] When he spit out his mouthpiece, Ewan sprung, everybody, boom!

[1422] He was a new hero there.

[1423] It was the coolest thing I've ever seen.

[1424] Did you watch Glory this weekend?

[1425] No, but I heard it was really good, right?

[1426] Jason Wilnes knocked out Simon Marcus.

[1427] Oh, wow.

[1428] Fucking crazy.

[1429] And Marcus was lighting him up early in the fight.

[1430] Lighten him up.

[1431] He's like 44 and 2, right, Marcus?

[1432] So that three then, I guess.

[1433] Three now, yeah.

[1434] lost two Schilling in that crazy fight where they went that extra round, and Schilling knocked him out with a right hook, which was an insane fight.

[1435] That was the tournament, too.

[1436] That was the first fight of that tournament, and Schilling fought two more times after that fucking crazy fight.

[1437] But the Willness fight, Simon Marcus was lighting him up, man, with Muay.

[1438] And Willness is more of a boxer style, and he was moving in, and he had some success with combinations, but then he caught him at the end of the round with a shot, And Simon Marcus was kind of playing with him and lowered his hands.

[1439] It was smiling.

[1440] And he got hit with a couple of shots.

[1441] And the referee gave him a real questionable standing eight count.

[1442] And the commentators are screaming.

[1443] Joseph Valtolini was screaming like, that's ridiculous.

[1444] They shouldn't do this.

[1445] That's not a – the eight counts no good.

[1446] He wasn't about to go down.

[1447] There's no standing eight count in kickboxing.

[1448] Like, why did they count him?

[1449] Like, they're saying that the ropes held him up.

[1450] Then the next round, Willness just fucking dropped him legit and heard him bad and then dropped him again and finished him off.

[1451] For Hoover.

[1452] I'm looking forward to him fighting Bada -Hari now.

[1453] December 10th, right?

[1454] God damn, that's going to be nuts.

[1455] Bader Haris is one of the scariest motherfuckers ever walk to face the planet.

[1456] I have no clue how he's still out.

[1457] Out of jail?

[1458] I guess he's got money.

[1459] Oh, that's right.

[1460] Yeah, because they said, oh, he's bank robbery.

[1461] First they said it was maybe going to be in Morocco.

[1462] I go, don't do it in Morocco.

[1463] Because if you beat him, that's going to be a problem, I think.

[1464] Yeah.

[1465] Didn't he rob a bank, right?

[1466] No, no, not him, but he's just beat up something.

[1467] Oh, Lee Murray.

[1468] He went to Morocco.

[1469] Okay, okay, sorry.

[1470] With brass knuckles.

[1471] My story's better.

[1472] Well, he beat some guy up at a nightclub where he stomped his shin.

[1473] They held a guy down, and he allegedly stomped on his shin and snapped it in half.

[1474] See, that's not being a good person.

[1475] I don't think that's what he was going for, do we?

[1476] No, I don't think so.

[1477] I don't think he was going for the good person.

[1478] Yeah.

[1479] Stories like that, you have many of them from him in Holland.

[1480] Oh, man, that's not good.

[1481] Yeah, not good.

[1482] Obviously, I'm a huge fan of MMA.

[1483] I think that MMA is the most exciting sport in the world.

[1484] But there's some things that you see in kickboxing that you just don't see in MMA because there's no threat of the takedown.

[1485] So you see these wild technical exchanges.

[1486] And in my opinion, we need more of that.

[1487] You know, it's not enough eyes on it.

[1488] Just don't think enough people are paying attention.

[1489] Phenomenal show, glory.

[1490] It's a phenomenal show.

[1491] That's why.

[1492] understand the numbers about why there's not many more people watching it and especially the guys who are complaining about not understanding mixed martial arts well punching and kicking everybody can understand that and I 85 % knockout ratio yes sir yeah it's a great show I love glory but I like lion fight better I like traditional moitai I just feel like glory would be even better if they just went moitai because why why take away elbows why no elbows I'm not a big fan of elbows just because the cuts, it cuts too easy, right?

[1493] But then also limiting the clinch time, because the clinch time can be boring, right?

[1494] So I think like the K1 rules are more, I like the K1 rules or glory rules better for that aspect, for the higher -up -paced fight.

[1495] But or just in the clinch, keep elbows, but in the clinch, just don't allow them to play around as long.

[1496] See, I understand what you're saying about elbows, but part of me is like, look, it's a striking contest.

[1497] Why would you eliminate one of the best weapons in striking, which is elbows?

[1498] And lion fight has these, I mean, look, they get cut.

[1499] up like for sure like do you see gaston balanos is one of his face ninja i mean his he gets cut the fuck up his opponents cut the fuck up they're blasting each other with spinning elbows but it's fun as hell to watch yeah it's yeah definitely fun to watch i'm not trying to be in there anymore at all yeah i'm done yeah i'm good much easier just uh coaching tj and coaching the guys and teaching martial arts and eating what i want and hanging out i i totally respect that i just think, like, as a person who appreciates the purity of the art, I just feel like there's no reason to take out those clinch battles, and there's no reason to take out those elbows.

[1500] Because the guys who are good at those clinch battles, you know, they just start fucking blasting each other with knees to the body, and it has a significant toll, and then the elbow battles that they have inside the clinch.

[1501] To me, it's a really important part of stand -up striking.

[1502] I see that.

[1503] Yes, sir.

[1504] Agreed.

[1505] We had a, we were talking about earlier, Sex and Gen Jura.

[1506] He just did a seminar at my academy, and he showed some really cool clinch elbow knee techniques.

[1507] It was nice to get it from an actual pure Muay Thai fighter to see his look and his perspective of what can happen in the clinch.

[1508] That was eye -opening.

[1509] It was cool.

[1510] Yeah, I think if we didn't have those guys, we wouldn't know that.

[1511] Exactly.

[1512] We would have only the level of striking that we see in MMA.

[1513] And I think, you know, when you go and you watch like a Ramon Decker's fight, you know, and you watch like him in his prime, you realize, oh, okay, this is possible.

[1514] Like there's levels to this fucking thing Jordan mean, right?

[1515] His elbows Oh man He retired Yeah No he's coming back He is I heard Yeah I talked His father is The Boston MMA system also Yeah And he told me He's gonna be back Yeah he's a black bummer to you right Yeah His father's a fucking savage There's a picture of him on his Instagram page He's like 50s He's fucking jacked He's just cream He's fucking jacked Yeah Jordan is a very very talented guy But he had so many fights You know, as a young man, I mean, I think he was only 24 or 25 when he retired, right?

[1516] That's what I tell everybody.

[1517] It's because they start competing too young.

[1518] He competed when he was 15, 16 years old.

[1519] They have to lie about his age, you know.

[1520] You're going to burn out.

[1521] You shouldn't do that.

[1522] Everybody's asking me, I met this girl now in Visalia, 12 -year -old, Jenna.

[1523] I mean, it started following her.

[1524] I sent her a whole bunch of gear and stuff, you know, I said because she says, watch me, I'm going to be the next run to arouse.

[1525] So I go, yeah, I want to see that.

[1526] But it's, you know, it's the training.

[1527] I told her start sparring maybe when you're 15 years old wait with that because your brain is still wiring everything to your nerves you know at that age and it stops at 14 just give it two more years you know till all the connections are there and then maybe start sparring but competing I would just wait wait for competing don't go in this early do jihitsu wrestling do all that but striking to the head I think they should wait with that even doing those things at a young age you make sure they're fun you know like I almost got burnt out of wrestling in eighth grade I wanted to quit I want to be done with wrestling.

[1528] That's too much.

[1529] It was just because every weekend I'm competing that I'm so nervous as a little kid.

[1530] I'm putting so much pressure on myself.

[1531] They're like, I got to win this tournament.

[1532] I got to do good.

[1533] My dad was my coach.

[1534] I wanted to impress him.

[1535] All this stuff, you know.

[1536] It's like eighth grade I was almost just gave it up, you know.

[1537] Wow.

[1538] But you've got to learn to have fun with everything.

[1539] As long as everything's fun, like you can compete, do all that stuff.

[1540] I mean, obviously kickboxing is a little different because you're going through some brain trauma.

[1541] But even with the wrestling and jiu -jitsu, make sure it's fun.

[1542] If you got a little kid that wants to do M .A. Or a little kid that wants to get involved in grappling and wrestling, make sure it's fun.

[1543] You know, go to and practice, playing some games, doing some things as well as learning technique, because little kids will get burned out way too fast.

[1544] Enjoy the journey.

[1545] How many times?

[1546] Because we hit it in striking a lot, right?

[1547] AKA, they were striking, they get injuries and injuries there, and how many times should we can spar?

[1548] We sparred two times a day.

[1549] Do we ever get injured?

[1550] No, we never stay pretty safe, yeah.

[1551] And we go.

[1552] If people watch, they've got to go, oh, these guys are crazy.

[1553] But we know exactly what we hit, where we kick it.

[1554] It's all about sparring partners.

[1555] Now, if you decide to you, great sparring partner doesn't show up and you get somebody from the club somewhere, yeah, who has this weird, he doesn't, he's not as professional, yeah, you get injured.

[1556] But I never been injured in sparring.

[1557] Yeah, but you're a freak.

[1558] You're boss -rutin, settle down.

[1559] But same with you.

[1560] You never get injured, right?

[1561] We will spar at heart.

[1562] What did you think about cowboy Saroni deciding no more sparring?

[1563] He doesn't spar.

[1564] He just does drills.

[1565] He was talking about that and looked sensational in his last fight.

[1566] He looked sensational because he's still, he still was sparring before that you know it's closer but the further you stare away it's like a loller he said he never spotted finally he started sparring he started sparring and he became much better see I look at that I think your reflexes need reflexes need to be tested all the time if you're going to fight well then you're going to have to fight in training because that's what's going to happen unexpected things unexpected techniques you know you need to be prepared for that if you just spar you don't know what I'm going to throw at you you can visualize a counter on my right straight well what if I said it up as a one -two instead of just the right straight.

[1567] And with that being said, sorry, is we're talking about sparring, but it's not just full -on fight sparring, but there's a whole level of sparring drills that you can play with and mimic scenarios going back to the patterns, right?

[1568] Like, what's a typical pattern, the jab, the cross, a rear low kick, learning how to deal with those things in the motion.

[1569] But while you're doing that drill, you have to have the clear mind like you're in the fight, but know that you're going to be countering the jab.

[1570] You're sitting something up in the jab.

[1571] But not just going in fighting guys, I don't want this to be misled where everyone's just fighting and sparring hard, but to do actual sparring drills, because there's a full path between hitting mits and actual sparring, and then that's the web of the sparring drills.

[1572] Yeah, I think Cowboy also had an issue with cutting the weight, too.

[1573] Yes, sir.

[1574] Yeah, he looks at $1 .70.

[1575] Cutting weight was just too much for him.

[1576] At 170, he's a fucking assassin.

[1577] It's so good.

[1578] He went up to 170, there was a lot less pressure on him at first, too.

[1579] You know, you got to go into a fight with just having fun and not thinking about, like, I'm supposed to win this fight.

[1580] For him, he's going to a completely different weight class.

[1581] What is there to lose, you know?

[1582] Right.

[1583] And so I think that's what's what's helped him.

[1584] a lot too and I think he's kind of catching his groove he looked awesome he was really good yeah right body left took right high kick I loved it and it were all full hits if you saw the body shot it dug in there yeah right and then wrap it up with the high kick I loved it and the technique the technical aspect there was so there was no wind up there's no muscle behind it everything's just perfect pop pop crack head kick it was just god damn he's another guy as far as developing somebody I used to help him out when he was first training in Colorado and he was so wrapped up into his own style I would try to I say, no, do this and do that.

[1585] But then I realized, look, everyone needs to be their own athlete.

[1586] You know, you got to do what's good for you.

[1587] It feels natural.

[1588] Go ahead.

[1589] But, um, and then he's just a prime example of someone you have to allow to be themselves, you know?

[1590] Right.

[1591] But just kind of guide a little bit here and there.

[1592] But, you know, he went down to Jackson's and look what he's done.

[1593] He's amazing now.

[1594] Well, he's such an individual.

[1595] Yes, sir.

[1596] As we all are, yeah.

[1597] Put cowboy in some other boxes.

[1598] He's just, he's a fucking wild man. What have you, who's the weirdest guy you've ever worked with where you're like, Jesus, I don't even know if I can fucking help this guy.

[1599] Uh, We all had those.

[1600] Faber.

[1601] Faber?

[1602] Yeah.

[1603] But he's not going to try to learn new things, though.

[1604] Yeah, he's set in the past.

[1605] So, you know, I've got to respect that.

[1606] And he's been successful.

[1607] There you go.

[1608] But the game has changed.

[1609] Now look at the results.

[1610] The game has changed.

[1611] You have to change along with it.

[1612] Like, the definition of insanity is doing the same thing, expecting different results.

[1613] You have to evolve.

[1614] You have to let the eagle go and continue to develop and train and learn.

[1615] That has to happen.

[1616] Well, you guys had personality conflicts.

[1617] For whatever reason, you know, no blame.

[1618] But whatever they are.

[1619] where you guys had.

[1620] But it was a great time when we were together.

[1621] Like, look what happened.

[1622] Look at what flourished, right?

[1623] Yeah.

[1624] I became much better as a martial art instructor, being able to work with all the athletes, right?

[1625] Everyone, we worked together, everybody arose.

[1626] So it was a good time.

[1627] It was a good win -win.

[1628] It worked out.

[1629] Time for me to go home and do my own thing and things laid where they were.

[1630] Yeah.

[1631] You asked about why, you know, him as a good coach.

[1632] And the reason of that is what I already mentioned with the training.

[1633] He's always there.

[1634] He's always there on time.

[1635] He always coached full out.

[1636] And that work addict, he talked to be a coach.

[1637] He will always be there with the guys cutting weight, doing everything.

[1638] I guarantee you, they can call you at 3 o 'clock in the middle of the night the day before the fight.

[1639] As long as he's not naked breaking up pit bull fights.

[1640] Just give me 30 seconds, I got this.

[1641] But that's it, you know, that's it.

[1642] If you have that drive, you're so focused on one thing, he just put that focus on training.

[1643] I'll be training all day long, right?

[1644] I'll get home and want to just like relax, veg job, maybe watch some TV, just do nothing, right?

[1645] And then maybe it would be like 12 o 'clock at night.

[1646] I'll get a text from Duane, like, on something on my fight, what I should be doing, should be thinking about.

[1647] I'm like, God.

[1648] Sorry.

[1649] Now I've got to think about this all night.

[1650] So he's, the reason why he's so great, he's like you said, he's constantly thinking about it, and he cares how well I do.

[1651] Before you fought Hannan Barrow, I was eating lunch in Vegas at the hotel.

[1652] I had a bunch of my friends with me. We're all getting ready for the fights.

[1653] Dwayne comes over.

[1654] Hey, man, come on, sit down.

[1655] How are you feeling?

[1656] Boom, sits down and just, this we're going to do it.

[1657] He's going to sit.

[1658] The whole thing is his movement, switches, get to the side.

[1659] The whole thing, Barrow, Brow, Brow, is his style.

[1660] He just was like a fucking hundred miles an hour And then he just putting food in my mouth going And then he visits Kevin James Whiteman and me In Vegas we're also in Vegas That's right yeah And we still got the same thing Same thing What do you think this is good?

[1661] This is good, this is good Boom But that's why you're so fucking good you know And I don't like the term OCD man I've dedicated my life to the arts OCD is those weirdos who wash their hands 100 times before you leave the house Yep.

[1662] This is a different thing.

[1663] This is just, it's a positive obsession.

[1664] Yes, sir.

[1665] Yeah.

[1666] Again, I've dedicated my life to the arts.

[1667] Yeah, man. So it's fun.

[1668] I love it.

[1669] Yeah, pretty much everybody at this table has.

[1670] Your method, though, is so uniquely Dwayne.

[1671] And I really love your system.

[1672] I think that's so critical is that you've taken all your stuff and you've written it out and you put it into like this system where you can really learn.

[1673] And that's something I learned from Rob Cayman, too.

[1674] Rob Cayman, who's amazing.

[1675] Yes, sir.

[1676] He has a system, and one of the things that I learned when I was training with him, it's like, this guy has this system the same way a lot of jiu -jitsu guys have a system.

[1677] Nice.

[1678] You know, and it's like his system of breaking things down and movement and strikes, that it's all, like, it's all, it has a pattern to it.

[1679] Yes, sir.

[1680] And you could follow this pattern as a progression to it.

[1681] And with the way the world is today, you can learn it all from him online, you know?

[1682] Yeah.

[1683] Like, he's so good at, like, breaking things down and be able to film it, and show it to people that I can go on his online academy and learn exactly what I'm doing.

[1684] Yeah, all you need is a willing participant.

[1685] Someone to train with you is going to do the same amount of work that you are.

[1686] Agreed.

[1687] Yeah, it's fun.

[1688] I love it.

[1689] I definitely love it.

[1690] It gives me thrive and passion and a purpose, you know, to put energy into other humans and to watch them flourish and grow and get better.

[1691] And that's a feedback for me. It's obvious.

[1692] I might be just doing it for myself, but it's a good service back first.

[1693] But I love to see people do good.

[1694] Well, I'm glad you're around, dude, because it makes it interesting.

[1695] And this is such a suck of fucking exciting time for MNA, man. So much good shit is going on, Bosnia.

[1696] Are you loving doing that show, the MMA show?

[1697] I love it.

[1698] You know, last time I heard you on the broadcasting, you're talking about the different levels of a knockdown, right?

[1699] And we had Herb Dean and Big Joe McCarthy, and Joe McCarthy was talking about the five levels of a knockdown.

[1700] You know, once you start staggering, when you fall back, when you crumble, there's all different sides, you know.

[1701] And I think that, I love those conversations.

[1702] The roundtable sit down with some professionals and talk about problems that we have right now and then figuring it out And I love that And the show also is great I see new talent Like Connor McGregor in the beginning We had them on You know So we see these guys come on the show But also once a while we got Mark Colman or you know Or Don Fry You know I see my old buddies again It's just a fun show Boss before you got here We were talking about iPokes And we showed the Fabricio Ver Doom Travis Brown eye poke Did you see that?

[1703] Have you seen it?

[1704] Yeah I heard about it Fucking crazy like knuckle deep into Fabricio's eye.

[1705] What do you think could help that?

[1706] What do you think could fix that?

[1707] I think penalties.

[1708] I truly believe so.

[1709] Because if you look at pancreas, which was open -hand striking, we never stabbed each other in the eye.

[1710] And we have open hands.

[1711] How is that even possible?

[1712] Right.

[1713] So now, because we arch our hands backwards, because we want to hit with the palm.

[1714] And it's just the fact when it happens, it won't happen in training, right?

[1715] And especially not at that cap.

[1716] Oh, no, not anymore, of course.

[1717] But because if they come from Greg Jackson, Winkle, John, I would say, well, Mike Winkle.

[1718] John lost an eye, you know, with a nail.

[1719] It was a foot nail, okay, but your toe nail, but still, you know.

[1720] Holding pads for somebody.

[1721] Holding pads.

[1722] Yeah, that's what happened.

[1723] It's very dangerous, yeah.

[1724] No, but I think once you say, listen, if you're known to do that, that happened with you in the past, referee should be allowed to go before there.

[1725] You say, listen, when I poke, I'm going to give you a red card.

[1726] And I think that will stop it because people are going to get more, become more careful.

[1727] Red card, which in pride would cost you a 10 % of your...

[1728] 10 % yeah purse I think the point deduction I think one point every time I think uh you know no warnings for an eye poke because even if you take a I think the gloves too but I think that if you even if you take a point away from a guy like if you if you warn them like that person you poked in the eye is still damaged by that yeah so even if he says it's an accident like it doesn't matter one point either way even if it's an accident I'm saying even if it's obviously an accident both if your fingers go into someone's eye and you know it's going to cause a point everyone is going to curl their nothing.

[1729] back be more accountable for yeah sir i see that yeah so gloves gloves and uh penalties or a beating afterwards if you do you're gonna be tight up their shin i hate to believe anybody's doing it on purpose but someone must be doing it on purpose some i feel are kind of aware of that there are some they have to be yeah for sure you know as i mean how often is that happening in training i don't know but uh it's some of them do look deliberate it's like kicks in the bills i mean christoph sezinski was one time fighting and he got kicked six times i believe in might even be seven in the pills and he goes back to the corner the pills are the balls ladies gentlemen and I go kick him back yeah that's my answer I say he's not getting a warning so do it back yes sir right then he knows how it feels and hopefully he's gonna stop but Christopher's two nights of a guy he didn't do it just there's a few fights where you go ooh I got a wonder why not that's purpose on purpose rather um did you see uh Czech Congo versus Krocop oh yeah way laid him in the sack wham like more than once I mean it was Several good blows.

[1730] Most of the time it's bad technique.

[1731] Most of the time it's with the lead leg and they don't step open the right foot so the angle cannot go like a 90 -degree angle into the muscle and it kick straight up.

[1732] And Beach goes, look, look, if everybody who gets kicked in the pills, I guarantee you, the leg that they're standing on, the toes are pointing forward.

[1733] If they will point to the side, it will be okay.

[1734] Well, with check, I believe it was knees in the clinch.

[1735] Oh.

[1736] I think it was just right to the sack.

[1737] Yeah.

[1738] A tieboxer should know that.

[1739] I never need anybody in pill.

[1740] I did once, actually, but that was on purpose.

[1741] Yeah, see?

[1742] That was against Renee Rose.

[1743] You know, if I could fight video from that, that is the best.

[1744] So I fight René Rosie.

[1745] You heard about him, right?

[1746] The tall guy from a total psychopath, they say.

[1747] And it does always illegal thing.

[1748] So we're fighting him, and the first round, I beat the crap out of him.

[1749] And the second round, we come out, and we're clinching, and he bites in my ear.

[1750] And I'm shouting, let go, let go, let go.

[1751] And then you see my knee going all the way back.

[1752] And then I knee him as high.

[1753] He comes loose from the ground.

[1754] That's how I knee him in the pills.

[1755] He goes down, and I wanted to attack him on the ground, but they pulled me off, and then Coral Hammers was in my corner.

[1756] Now, he brought all his friends.

[1757] He had Hell's Angels with him, and I had all my bouncer friends with me. And they all started fighting.

[1758] They threw a chair into the ring.

[1759] It bounced off Cor Hammers' back.

[1760] It lands behind me. If you see the video, man, it lands behind me. I look behind me, I see the chair.

[1761] I sit in the chair while I watch everybody fighting.

[1762] And then later they cleared everybody, everybody tore down because the referee took, he says, why did you do it?

[1763] I said, look at my ear.

[1764] And it was a hole straight through my ear.

[1765] He bit straight through my ear a hole in there.

[1766] And then he grabbed the microphone and he announced to everybody, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

[1767] He's got a hole in his ear.

[1768] He bit his ear.

[1769] That's why he did.

[1770] And then everybody calmed down.

[1771] Oh, wow.

[1772] Did you continue to fight?

[1773] No, no, no, that was it.

[1774] It was a hard knee.

[1775] Wow.

[1776] It's like the Wild Wild West.

[1777] That was a good one.

[1778] Eddie Bravo thinks he should be able to hit a guy in the back of the head.

[1779] He thinks that when you take a guy's back, that when the old days of MMA, when a guy had two hooks in, you almost didn't go to the rear naked choke.

[1780] You just blast a guy in the back of the head with elbows.

[1781] Yeah, that's right?

[1782] But then we go again before rules.

[1783] Right?

[1784] What was that?

[1785] Hensow and...

[1786] Hensow and...

[1787] Yeah, what's his name?

[1788] Stryker.

[1789] Yeah.

[1790] From Holland.

[1791] Spikers.

[1792] Spikers.

[1793] Spikers.

[1794] Ben Spikers.

[1795] Yeah, the judo guy.

[1796] Apparently that guy was fucking with Hensow.

[1797] kept calling his room, calling his hotel room all night.

[1798] So Henzzo was like, oh, okay.

[1799] All right.

[1800] And did you see what he stepped on his face, yeah, at the end?

[1801] Steps on his face after he smashed him.

[1802] Yeah, yeah, don't mess with Hendo.

[1803] That's what guys would do.

[1804] They would take someone's back.

[1805] I remember Half Gracie fought somebody, I forget who it was.

[1806] But he got a hooks in and just boom, boom, boom, right to the base of the skull.

[1807] And like, it's so effective, though.

[1808] I know, but it's the longevity of the baby.

[1809] It keeps your spine intact.

[1810] Right, but if, here it is.

[1811] Here's Henzo.

[1812] Oh, nice.

[1813] Oh, this is, this is actually, okay.

[1814] Look at that cage.

[1815] Just duct tape around it.

[1816] So he gets his back, he flattens him out, and then here it comes.

[1817] Boom, boom, boom.

[1818] Yep, well, I do it, baby.

[1819] Yeah, I mean, that is the way to open up that choke, man. You can't defend once someone starts raining those elbows down.

[1820] And, you know, you can cover that shit up all you want.

[1821] Now he's tapping.

[1822] Now watch this.

[1823] When he goes away, what he's going to do?

[1824] He gets up, he steps on his head.

[1825] That's right, yeah.

[1826] That's my Hanzo!

[1827] Hanzo's awesome.

[1828] World Combat Championship.

[1829] He's a master.

[1830] That was, I think, the same, look at it, he helps him up.

[1831] Hey, roll over, buddy.

[1832] We're pals now.

[1833] Oh, it's just the people's, wow.

[1834] Yeah.

[1835] He beat the fuck out of that, dude.

[1836] That was a good one.

[1837] That was, I think, the same event where Marillo Bustamante fought Tom Erickson, and they fought for, like, fucking 90 minutes.

[1838] It was one of those crazy fight.

[1839] It was, like, 45 -minute fight, I think it was, honestly.

[1840] Wow.

[1841] It was a crazy fight because they didn't have.

[1842] like an ending to those things.

[1843] They didn't, you know, you just fought.

[1844] He had only 90 minutes for Saccharab and Hoyce, remember that?

[1845] Yeah.

[1846] That's right.

[1847] But they did rounds.

[1848] They did rounds.

[1849] I don't think Marillo and Erickson did rounds.

[1850] I think it was just one long, I don't remember.

[1851] But I remember like Erickson at the time, he's like the forgotten heavyweight.

[1852] Like when he was in his prime, he was fucking terrifying because he was a natural 300 -pound gorilla, an enormous wrestler.

[1853] And he could hit so fucking hard.

[1854] I remember he knocked out Kevin Randolph.

[1855] He hit Kevin Random, and like a left hook and knocked him out.

[1856] But I was like, Jesus Christ, he was one of the scariest guys for his time.

[1857] But just, like, kind of missed the window, you know?

[1858] Like, he was really scary in the early days of MMA.

[1859] Nobody wanted to fight him.

[1860] Yeah.

[1861] Buster Monta, though, super tough, man. What a great guy.

[1862] Remember we tapped Matt Linlin twice?

[1863] Yeah.

[1864] You had to tap him twice?

[1865] Lynn Lynn was like, nothing happened.

[1866] I didn't tap.

[1867] Yeah.

[1868] And they believed him.

[1869] Big John made him start yet.

[1870] Big John actually talked about that on our show.

[1871] He said, yeah, that was a bad one for me because, you know, I didn't see it.

[1872] Yeah.

[1873] You know, and that's what people should understand at home.

[1874] You know, these, same as the referees, especially, O'Dine and Big John, they're so invested.

[1875] They love the sport so much.

[1876] They're so much there for the fighters.

[1877] So when they make a bad call, it hurts them as well, you know.

[1878] But then to get the avalanche of all the people on the Internet, you know, come on, everybody's human.

[1879] And we were talking about, I believe, four calls or three calls.

[1880] that they were talking about with Herb Dean.

[1881] Herb Dean had over 7 ,500 matches he did.

[1882] Like, oh, the odds are great.

[1883] I like those odds.

[1884] Only four mistakes in 7 ,500 matches.

[1885] You're doing a good job.

[1886] Well, both of those guys are the gold standard.

[1887] I mean, Hurtedin and John McCarthy.

[1888] That's the gold standard.

[1889] I mean, you know who was really good before he went away for selling weed?

[1890] He was Josh Rosenthal.

[1891] Yeah, he did my last fight.

[1892] He is very good.

[1893] He's a very good referee.

[1894] He went away for something like that.

[1895] It's so crazy.

[1896] Well, he went away for selling weed, and he had kind of a little bit of an arsenal.

[1897] I don't feel illegal guns are Something going on Only 12 acres of wheat Hey, nothing wrong with that It's just helping the world But the real problem was I believe guns are involved And that's one things But yeah, look, you're going to sell weed illegally You gotta protect yourself It's unfortunate The whole thing's unfortunate But he was a very good referee Very good referee, very good martial artist too Yeah, he always trained And I respect that obviously He's having people in the field If you're going to work in the field should actually train in the field.

[1898] I just want I wanted to bring up to you.

[1899] What did you think about the Travis Brown -Frabricio Verduem fight where Travis called time?

[1900] Like he got his finger jammed.

[1901] Fabricio threw a punch and Travis's finger apparently broke and there's some photos of it now online.

[1902] It's fucking nasty.

[1903] It shows you how tough Travis is that he continued with his finger smashed and it was a compound fracture with the bone broke through the skin.

[1904] That's one picture but there's some even better ones that he released today.

[1905] where you could see it after the fight it was a nasty break so it was a weird thing where Fabricio threw this punch and he threw like one of those Chuck Ladell style overhands that come over the top and it landed on the fingers of Travis and snapped one of his finger so Travis calls time which you really can't do he's like my fingers fucked up he calls time like scroll up though and you see it the actual opening yeah here comes the boom he says time out right given James said You didn't talk about that.

[1906] So you cannot do that.

[1907] Against Maurice Smith.

[1908] Did they stop it?

[1909] Did they give me a time?

[1910] Tell the story.

[1911] Oh, that's right.

[1912] You did that, boss.

[1913] You did that in a fight.

[1914] Yeah, yeah.

[1915] Maurice.

[1916] No, I like that, yeah.

[1917] I kicked him in the head, and then I got excited.

[1918] I wanted to give him another kick in the head, but I slip, and I fall on the ground.

[1919] And Maurice wants to jump atop of me, and I put my hand up.

[1920] I say, wait.

[1921] And he stops, and I'm getting up, and I go, thank you.

[1922] That's composure, huh?

[1923] That's ninja.

[1924] It's a trick.

[1925] You know, another one, a whole funny, if anybody, was with Jason Delusha.

[1926] I dropped him with his liver shot, right?

[1927] And then I walked towards him, and you see what I'm doing, I stretch my arm above me, and I wave with my hand, and you see him looking up to my hand, and then I liver kick him again.

[1928] I just put my hand up.

[1929] I said, yeah, look at this.

[1930] And he actually looked there.

[1931] That's good composure, right?

[1932] We actually use that stuff all the time.

[1933] The bird.

[1934] The bird.

[1935] So there's Master Tom.

[1936] Master Tong, he's my first striking coach at Alpha Mail.

[1937] And when Dwayne first started to come to teach at Alpha Mail, I was thinking it was my second fight you were there.

[1938] We were in San Jose against Hugo Viana.

[1939] And we're in the hotel room, day of the fight, just kind of hanging out, just waiting.

[1940] And Master Tong is just in the bed.

[1941] He sleeps all day long.

[1942] And then he's in the bed just hanging out.

[1943] Dwayne comes to hang out with us.

[1944] And he's telling Master Tong a story.

[1945] And Master Tong is kind of looking at him like he's paying attention.

[1946] But then he looks at Dwayne and he goes, bird and we're inside a hotel room right and Dwayne like looks over look if there's a bird and as Dwayne turns back to start talking to him again he's rolled over on the bed and looking the other direction I and sleeping so he like faked him off me he's like hey look over there while I turn over and go to sleep couldn't deal with the barrage of the of the Luddway talking fast he can he doesn't understand it so he turns around no is max the fucking guy the fucking guy well he was supposed to corner Tj in that fight she said what's that he was supposed to corner you on that fight and we couldn't find the fucking guy I'm about to walk out for my fight And Master Tong's nowhere to be found I'm like what the hell I'm going out to my fight Where's Master Tong?

[1947] And then so Danny just corners me And after the fight I get back And Master Tong's like Oh Tj I go smoke Way up in the rafter So supposedly he says He went up into the rafters To smoke his cigarette And he was too scared to get down So he couldn't come down to come corner me That's a great reason What the next day And I go and I go say Like where the fuck were you Like what's up with ties and cigarettes Or gambling or everything I don't know.

[1948] It's just a cold.

[1949] Like the really good fighters that smoke cigarettes.

[1950] Yeah, I mean, he was smoking while he's fighting.

[1951] I mean, that guy is so talented.

[1952] It's crazy.

[1953] I wish he, if he had half the work ethic that Dwayne had, he'd be amazing, you know.

[1954] He's such a good trainer.

[1955] He's such a good fighter.

[1956] But just this, I don't know, man. He's such a freak, though.

[1957] I would see him in the corner with a tank top on and the gold chains and sunglasses.

[1958] He's loving life.

[1959] Big smiles in his face.

[1960] Sun's out, guns out.

[1961] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1962] Big ass belt buckle on.

[1963] And he would make sure to be in the camera for the decisions.

[1964] He's like, positioning himself so you can see him.

[1965] He wants to be a superstar, you know?

[1966] Wasn't there like an issue with him gambling against one of your fighters?

[1967] Against Faber, apparently.

[1968] No, not joking you.

[1969] This is from pills.

[1970] When he fought Barrow in New Jersey, it was both, it was me and Tong.

[1971] And no one knows if this actually happened, right?

[1972] But allegedly, let's use the word.

[1973] So allegedly, he gambled on Burrout to beat Faber, and he's cornering Faber.

[1974] Like, what the fuck, man?

[1975] I go to New Jersey to corner my...

[1976] I do two seminars.

[1977] I get up super early, do two seminars before his fight, come back, fight, do everything I need to do.

[1978] And then after the fights, which apparently he gambled against Faber, I'm leaving the hotel to go, I got to get up super early and take off to go back home, and I'm walking out down the hall.

[1979] And he's got a track record of hitting people up for money all the time, Tong.

[1980] and uh well he's he's an addict he gambles yeah so he legitimately apparently has a problem gambling not budgeting his shit right so anyway i fly to a or fly to new jersey do two seminars corner like i'm just i'm working my ass off i'm leaving the hotel after the fight down to the next morning and he's following me down the hotel oh dwayne oh dway uh uh can i have a little bit of money and i'm like and then i like i gave him the crow cop stare i was like no motherfucker i got up early came out here i worked my ass off two seminars corner and do what I needed to do while you were sleeping in.

[1981] Don't ask me for money, motherfucker.

[1982] Like, I got genuinely mad because he's, you know, just being lazy ass and asking me for money.

[1983] So, um, I told him no. It's like that bull when he says, you know, the world's worst best friend, you know, he put, when he bets against him at the Deadpool.

[1984] Oh, that's right.

[1985] Yeah, that's right.

[1986] But on the positive side, Master Tong's a badass motherfucker.

[1987] He's so bad, man. He's such a talented dude.

[1988] I think he is one of the best guys in the world to hold Mitz.

[1989] Yeah, he can catch the Mitz.

[1990] I wouldn't say he's like super structured.

[1991] gonna like he maybe it's like his understanding of english you know you can't like break something down like this is why you should do it and tell me like why i'm doing things and when to do it and he just kind of shows you he makes you do it on the midst without even you knowing it he makes you do things you're supposed to do the right way just by holding them and having a very limited vocabulary he's helped tj a lot oh he's my first trainer and i i i picked up on a stand -up very quick with him and i think he's a great trainer he's just an addict he's got nasty moitai too oh dude he's so yeah very good moitai he's good I love the guy, man. It's a problem, man. People get that, that's a scary bug.

[1992] That's a very scary, yeah.

[1993] I never did that.

[1994] Get a bug, it would be a good bug.

[1995] I mean, if you got a trainer that's bending against you, I'm as bad as a guy.

[1996] Is that confirmed, though?

[1997] So Master Tong was coaching out in Texas.

[1998] He was out of gym in Texas, and that's when Dwayne first got here.

[1999] So Master Strong was kind of, they were kind of mad and just kind of left.

[2000] That's why we needed a new coach.

[2001] You know, that's why we brought Dway in.

[2002] And then when Faber was going to fight Barawi, brought him back for eight weeks for his camp.

[2003] And he was out here training him.

[2004] Faber went in that fight with the hurt hamstring, and Massetong knew that as well.

[2005] He tore his hamstring a little bit and went into the fight, a little injured.

[2006] And so when Masterong went back to Texas, he was bragging that he made $5 ,000 because he bet all this money that Faber wasn't going to win the fight.

[2007] And then it got back to Faber, because Faber knew the trainer out in Texas.

[2008] And so it came back to him when he found out about it.

[2009] And, you know, allegedly, who knows if it's really true, but Massetong was bragging about it, you know?

[2010] That hurts.

[2011] Wow.

[2012] That's loyalty.

[2013] Yeah, you love him.

[2014] I mean, I love the guy, you know?

[2015] And if I'd come to find out, he bet against you, that's rough.

[2016] What if he gave you four?

[2017] He won five and gave you four.

[2018] Like, that's what you're supposed to do.

[2019] Like, listen, dog, you know and I know that you came to that fight a little fucked up.

[2020] So, like, here's a taste.

[2021] Given the majority of it.

[2022] Right?

[2023] Not even half.

[2024] Like, most of it.

[2025] But he still won a thousand bucks.

[2026] People with a gamble product problem don't do that.

[2027] I know.

[2028] They want to keep it all.

[2029] They want to gambling away again.

[2030] Well, because he had nothing to show for it afterwards.

[2031] He guaranteed you went and gambled it somewhere else.

[2032] Oh, man. I mean, when he was coaching it off a meal, in the beginning before he went got there i mean he's making good money you know i know he's he supports his family and stuff but he should have had been a lot more well off than he was you know but he's an addict it's a serious problem man it's like you wouldn't actually think that it's a problem it's it's a serious problem so that goes back why i always tell my guys i mean for myself you're going to create habits let them be good habits and i got that from sensea create good habits right yeah your habit is train like a motherfucker like a motherfucker get obsessed with that that's right i don't get obsessed with blackjack i'm i invest in other humans poker for that man Anything.

[2033] Yeah.

[2034] It's weird.

[2035] Once you gamble because you need it, you always lose.

[2036] Trust me. I enjoy gambling on fights.

[2037] I used to do it all the time.

[2038] When I first started working for the UFC, I would gamble on fights.

[2039] And then I was like, can I get in trouble for this?

[2040] I was like, I wasn't sure.

[2041] I was like, I can't affect the outcome.

[2042] You should mention it before the fight.

[2043] You say, I put my money on him.

[2044] I'd make it more enticing.

[2045] I was going to love that.

[2046] People would get mad at me, though.

[2047] What the fuck, bro?

[2048] Bet against me?

[2049] But I was right.

[2050] Yeah, but what the fuck, bro.

[2051] The best is one of the time when Diego Sanchez won a fight And then at the time you're going to interview him He's like, hey, you told me I was weird before And you're like, yeah, you're weird And then he's like just got quiet Because he tried to call you out but you're like Yeah, you're a weird guy It's a bad thing Diego's weird as fuck Have they seen his interview before he fought Joe Lozon At UFC 200 He was doing an interview before Joe Lozon He had like this whole like Had it been planned out It was almost like a freestyle rap It put it on his Instagram It is one of the funniest interviews I've ever seen is, I wish I remember exactly who we did.

[2052] I don't have to look that up.

[2053] He's so odd.

[2054] But awesome.

[2055] Yeah, he's awesome.

[2056] And a good thing about him, a long time ago, this is before the Ultimate Fighter, this guy would send me videotapes from the East Coast.

[2057] That's right.

[2058] And with a note, and he says, boss, okay, this one I won, but I still, can you break it down where I have to work on?

[2059] And I would write everything down and send it back to him.

[2060] And then I saw him with the Ultimate Fighter.

[2061] And then later I met him in an elevator.

[2062] I say, man, you always used to send him.

[2063] me the tapes.

[2064] She said, yeah, thank you very much.

[2065] But you see, I really appreciate it about a guy like that.

[2066] Yeah, no, he's a, he's a really, really dedicated guy.

[2067] You know, Diego Sanchez is a fucking warrior.

[2068] And he's a guy who's won more third rounds of fights where he lost the first two.

[2069] The Martin Camden fight, I'll never forget that fight.

[2070] Because his face was hanging off of his skull, and he's chasing Martin Camman.

[2071] Martin Camden who fought at 185, who's a big fucking guy for 170, and Diego's just, ah!

[2072] I just running out of a mask of blood, the Jake Ellenberger fight.

[2073] The end of the fight, he's on Ellenberger's back, beating the shit out of him.

[2074] That's right.

[2075] Lost the first two rounds, comes back in the third like a fucking savage.

[2076] If every fight was 100 rounds long, Diego Sanchez might be undefeated.

[2077] Mexican.

[2078] Yeah.

[2079] Mexican!

[2080] That's right.

[2081] Fantastic endurance.

[2082] He always had a crazy cardio.

[2083] Fuck you, Donald Trump.

[2084] Oh, that's good.

[2085] I mean, think about who had more endurance than Julio Cesar Chavez, right?

[2086] Well, yeah, you're right, but people fail to mention that he trained it was the Mexico City or was 7 ,000 feet elevation.

[2087] People don't take that into account.

[2088] And his fights, a lot of his fights were there as well.

[2089] Yeah, that's a good point because a lot of people don't realize how high Mexico City is.

[2090] I didn't know until the first time I went there.

[2091] I just did a fucking elliptical machine there and I was like, holy shit.

[2092] I said it, I said it to Kane Velasquez on our show.

[2093] Are you going to go out like three weeks ahead because of the elevation?

[2094] And he says, no, we will.

[2095] I said, do you think that's a smart idea?

[2096] because you should be training there.

[2097] When I trained for the Redmond fight at Colorado.

[2098] Dude, but my first week, eight days, nine days were really not nice.

[2099] They were not fun.

[2100] I mean, I got tired so fast.

[2101] It took really a while for me to get into it.

[2102] And Colorado was 2 ,000 feet below Mexico City, which is crazy.

[2103] Yeah, yeah, we're a heavyweight title fight there.

[2104] You remember the second you, was the second UFC there when everybody ran out of gas?

[2105] Yeah.

[2106] It was the most horrible thing ever.

[2107] The first two UFCs were in Colorado.

[2108] Oh, the first one, too.

[2109] McNacles, and then the other arena downtown.

[2110] I forgot which I was.

[2111] Do you remember Ben Rothwell and Mark Hunt in Colorado?

[2112] Oh, yeah.

[2113] Yes, sir.

[2114] Yeah.

[2115] Almost poor guys, he almost died.

[2116] Yeah.

[2117] They both almost died.

[2118] There's only one way to prepare for that.

[2119] You have to be in that element because you literally have less red blood cells.

[2120] Yeah.

[2121] I talked to a guy who's an endurance athlete who lives in Boulder, and he told me you have to live there for three years.

[2122] He said to reach the full potential He's like for those guys When you're talking about like bikers Or triathletes or something like that Like for them Every last second is in because you're doing the same activity Over and over and over again It's not like fighting where your creativity Your explosiveness all these different things Come in a factor It's just biking.

[2123] You're just biking You're just running.

[2124] You're just swimming.

[2125] These are the things you're doing And so every little second Every little ounce of extra endurance So they optimize everything in that regard And he was saying to really hit your full potential, you need to live at altitude and train an altitude for three years.

[2126] So, okay, so it lives at trains are nice, yeah?

[2127] I see that.

[2128] Three years.

[2129] Wow.

[2130] Yeah, well, full potential.

[2131] Go from the 99 % that you had at one year and to 100 % after three years.

[2132] You know, it could be like that as well.

[2133] But I understand what he's saying.

[2134] What threshold.

[2135] You know, if you have like only 10 days or two weeks to train high altitude, I almost would say don't do it because your first week is going to be the worst week.

[2136] You can't think straight.

[2137] you know you it's better to just stay but if you have to fight at high altitude always go there beforehand man I'm telling you three four weeks at least there's the first bank center which is right by my academy that had a couple of UFC's there when you walk out of the dressing room there's a big metal sign on the wall and it says extreme elevation if you if you feel lightheadedness or dizzy please rest and drink water so that's what like the fighters see as they're walking out to the cage is that big ass fucking signs right to my father I was like yes yeah it's crazy for people who don't live there to take fights at altitude it really is especially with fighters can't afford like if you're training for a fight in Mexico City you can't afford to go anywhere I mean if you if you're on the undercard you're making you know what's like the lowest paid guys in the UFC make?

[2138] 8 ,000 is it 8 me?

[2139] It's crazy crazy.

[2140] You got on the O2 trainer.

[2141] They get those lungs that will help, they will strengthen them for sure yeah because a lot of people say oh this part that you know it mimics high altitude can't you cannot it doesn't oh you have to wear it like eight hours a day you know but otherwise it won't but it makes your whole inspiratory system much stronger and it's easy for you to pull in well you're talking about your own personal o2 trainer where you put it in your mouth and you you have like different filters on it too right stronger yeah stronger i'm now in with a guy who is the trainer the scientist behind usane bald three other gold medalists on track and field actually um uh the dominic cruz as well is training there this guy's a higher IQ than freaking einstein had he has like over 25 medical journals that that wherein it's proven that only inspiratory training works.

[2142] So what happened was he did a review of my competition.

[2143] Explain what this thing is to people that are listening and I don't know.

[2144] It's a device that I invented because I was an asthma patient and I realized that after an asthma attack for like a week in bed or eight days in bed, I would resume my track and field and I would break my running times.

[2145] And it always puzzled me. It puzzled me. Why am I stronger after an attack?

[2146] This is crazy.

[2147] The medicine, medication.

[2148] And then I realized when I saw, I went to the doctor's office and I saw a poster on the wall with a pair of lungs on there.

[2149] And it showed where it's inflamed when you have bronchitis.

[2150] And what happens is you think as a kid it's infected in the lungs.

[2151] It's not.

[2152] It's in the air pipes that go to the lungs.

[2153] So that was my aha moment.

[2154] I realized, oh, I've been working out my lungs unknowingly because I've been pulling air through that infected hole.

[2155] So unknowingly, I made my whole lung system, my inspiratory system, stronger.

[2156] So why don't I come up with something that controls the air intake?

[2157] And that was it.

[2158] And then finally, I started, oh, there you got it.

[2159] I started making it.

[2160] And it's a very simple device.

[2161] It starts with a whole of 15 millimeter.

[2162] You start training with it.

[2163] And once you feel that you get the same air as you did before, you go to 14 millimeter.

[2164] And now with this guy, what this guy does with it, because when my lawyer called me and he said, listen, did you read that review about our competition?

[2165] it's horrible, they slam this.

[2166] I say, I know, because they control the air in and out.

[2167] It's not a good way to do it.

[2168] I said, contact that guy.

[2169] I want to send him an O2 trainer.

[2170] And when he contacted him, he said, Basruta will lie.

[2171] He said, Basruta from the O2 trainer?

[2172] Yeah, we're already using it.

[2173] Inspiratory trainers.

[2174] I love the product.

[2175] So what is the difference?

[2176] The difference is when you control the air out as well, you cannot completely empty your lungs.

[2177] Because you do it with resistance.

[2178] But if you complete, and air out is all with force, it's all done by your core and your diaphragm and your intercom.

[2179] muscle muscles here in your ribs.

[2180] But breathing in is also done with that.

[2181] It's much harder to breathe in.

[2182] But as soon as I start stopping the airflow out, I cannot completely exhale anymore before I take a new breath.

[2183] And that's what I started with.

[2184] So now we're going to come out with all these medical journals with Usain Bolt, all these people that he trains, all do inspiratory muscle training.

[2185] So they all use that kind of a device?

[2186] All use, yeah.

[2187] Wow.

[2188] So like those masks that you wear that control in and out, those are no good.

[2189] That was the...

[2190] That's the competition.

[2191] That was the competition, yeah.

[2192] So it's something that just controls in, and then you can breathe out with your own mouth.

[2193] Like, so you breathe in through it, and then when you breathe out, how does it work when you breathe out freely?

[2194] How does that work?

[2195] Because it gets two valves.

[2196] One side is where they have the holes on, and on the other side you have a flap.

[2197] And if I breathe in, the flap closes.

[2198] Oh, that's brilliant.

[2199] Yeah, and then...

[2200] And the only thing that this, the scientist said, is that, well, you can use...

[2201] it like you did, boss, with training, because it cured me from my asthma.

[2202] On my website, you will read a lot of people cured it for an asthma.

[2203] I don't use an inhaler anymore.

[2204] And I used an inhaler my entire life, even before World Title Fights, always had an inhaler with me, because if I would sneeze, for instance, very aggressively three times, my lung would close.

[2205] I have to open them up with an inhaler.

[2206] I haven't used an inhaler for two and a half, three years now anymore.

[2207] So it works with everything.

[2208] We're actually looking for an FDA improvement.

[2209] Everything is going to happen now because the results are just crazy good.

[2210] that's fascinating yeah oh and what he said what I wanted to say is what he does he lets them in the morning do 30 repetitions so they take a smaller tiny hole and you you lean over with the otter trainer and once you you breathe out you every bit of air goes out of your lungs and then you while you're breathing in you're sitting straight up and then you breathe everything out again you do so it's like weight lifting in the morning that's it for you for your inside so that's all you're doing is just 30 repetitions that's it and that'll build you up if you go for six weeks, two times a day, 30 minutes, 30 repetitions, and after that, just one time a day, the increase you're going to have, you're not going to have any lactate acid in your core, which, by the way, is the most important thing in fighting.

[2211] That's why everybody gets tired, I always say, because their muscles start pumping, you know, just like your biceps are pumping, and they start pushing your lungs backwards.

[2212] So now your lungs cannot freely inhale anymore because you're pushing them backwards with your core.

[2213] And that's the reason when you see guys, you know, that's why I used to do, I actually said that at the seminar last Saturday.

[2214] I said, that's why, before a fight, I would do a lot of apps, but constant stretching apps.

[2215] Apps, stretching.

[2216] Apps stretching.

[2217] And I was for that reason, because I know if this gets tight, your core gets tight, everything goes downhill.

[2218] That's why the guys in the beginning with the steroids, where they, well, in the beginning, they're still doing it apparently, but you saw guys, because if you use steroids, you pump much harder, right?

[2219] So they're very strong until the core builds up with lacted acid.

[2220] Now the lungs can, breathe in anymore, and that's why you see them going strong, strong, strong, strong, strong, and then suddenly they drop, and it's over with them.

[2221] That's the reason.

[2222] So your protocol for this O2 trainer is you do it 30 times, like 30 breaths?

[2223] 30 breaths in the morning, 30 in the evening, after six weeks, you increase your whole spirit, they say you've got 15 to 20 percent you will gain.

[2224] It's incredible.

[2225] 15 to 20 percent in how long, how much time?

[2226] Well, six weeks.

[2227] In six weeks.

[2228] You're going to, yeah, you'll be amazed.

[2229] Once we're going to come out with all these journals, you're going to like it.

[2230] So 15 to 20 % lung capacity?

[2231] Yeah, look, this is inspiratory, right?

[2232] This is other devices.

[2233] Now, they can, they're still air in there because they can completely empty their lungs.

[2234] We're looking at a video for folks who are just listening to this.

[2235] We're looking at a video on Boss Rutan O2 Trainer, which is online on YouTube, right?

[2236] Is it just O2Trainer?

[2237] What is your O2Trader .com?

[2238] site crashed right now.

[2239] Oh, okay.

[2240] So the site crash because we swamped it?

[2241] We swamped your site, boss.

[2242] You swamped my side, boom.

[2243] Nice.

[2244] Selling some O2 trainers.

[2245] I love the flap, though.

[2246] That's amazing.

[2247] Dude, I'm buying one of these.

[2248] It's such a...

[2249] I'll get you on.

[2250] It's such an easy...

[2251] Score!

[2252] It's such an easy thing.

[2253] Are you using the body exit system?

[2254] It's right back here.

[2255] You want to see it?

[2256] Yeah, no, I crushed it.

[2257] Come on back.

[2258] Come on back.

[2259] I'll take you back here.

[2260] We've got to end this podcast anyway, but I'll show you in the back.

[2261] Because I've got to get the fuck out of here.

[2262] Boss Rutan, you're a fucking gem of a human being It's a pleasure to know you An honor to make your acquaintance Same, I could say for both of you gentlemen It was an honor to train with you today Bang Ludwig, you're a fucking genius And T .J. You're a bad motherfucker And I can't wait to see you fight for the title again And I really hope it is soon And thank you everybody That's it.

[2263] This fucking podcast is over.

[2264] Jihad Woo -hoo!