#1542 - Cameron Hanes

[0] Check it out The Joe Rogan Experience Train by day Joe Rogan podcast by night All day Hello Camains What's up What's going on buddy Good to see you Oh man It's good to be here In the spaceship Look at this It's weird right It's very Polarizing People love it or hate it A lot of people hate it Oh really?

[1] Yeah I think it's cool I like it Yeah I don't love it Yeah I don't think it's perfect But I think it's interesting It's We did it really quickly.

[2] I mean, we decided to move here within six weeks.

[3] We were here.

[4] I said this on a video on my Instagram, but I should probably say it again.

[5] You live up there in Oregon.

[6] Yes.

[7] And I said something incorrect.

[8] I said about there was a guy who got, I know there was one guy who got arrested for lighting fires.

[9] And I thought I'd read some other shit about activists getting arrested for lighting fires or Antifa people.

[10] Shouldn't even call them activist.

[11] What do you call them?

[12] Crazy people.

[13] Idiots.

[14] Morons.

[15] But it's not true.

[16] So, sorry, if you heard me say that.

[17] Jamie informed me of it today.

[18] It's one thing about being out of the loop.

[19] You don't know when people are mad at you.

[20] But at this time, I agree with them.

[21] Like, they're mad at me for something that.

[22] Well, somebody did get arrested from a Maltov cocktail.

[23] I read that.

[24] That turns out to be true.

[25] He got arrested, and then he got out of jail and then lit some more things on fire.

[26] But see, here's the thing like, when you say Antifa, like, what does that mean, right?

[27] It could just be a crazy person.

[28] And that's what a lot of Antifa is.

[29] Like, that guy that shot that dude in Portland, the guy that shot that.

[30] the Trump supporter, that guy's a crazy person.

[31] He's dead now, right?

[32] He was a crazy person.

[33] Yeah.

[34] You know, just decided to pile on to this thing and become an activist.

[35] But that's what, when you don't have like an entry examination.

[36] Yeah.

[37] Anyone can just join up.

[38] Just show up.

[39] Yeah, you just show up and now you're Antifa.

[40] Yeah.

[41] And now you're a part of the resistance.

[42] Yeah.

[43] But I fucked up.

[44] I said that people, a lot of people were arrested.

[45] I read some shit about it.

[46] I don't remember where I read it about all these people getting arrested.

[47] for lighting wildfires, but it wasn't true.

[48] It was just just one guy that, for sure.

[49] I think they should have been arrested.

[50] Maybe that's a difference.

[51] Well, see, that's why it made sense to me, because they had been arrested for lighting fires in, or they hadn't been arrested.

[52] They had been seen lighting fires and throwing them into the mayor of Portland's apartment lobby.

[53] Yeah.

[54] And they were lighting fires out in the street in front of his apartment.

[55] It just, when someone said, oh, look at all these arrests.

[56] They're arresting people for lighting fires.

[57] Yeah.

[58] I just went, oh, that makes sense.

[59] And I just repeated it.

[60] I'm very upset with myself.

[61] I don't like when I repeat shit.

[62] That's not true.

[63] That's definitely not true.

[64] Yeah.

[65] I mean, it's a hard time, though.

[66] It's your spot up there, though.

[67] It is.

[68] That's your area.

[69] Yeah, it's, you know, people, and they find out, oh, you're from Oregon.

[70] So what do you think about, you know, it's just, it's kind of embarrassing to, to, to, just because I understand people have an opinion and they want change.

[71] And they, you know, maybe it's, maybe some of it is.

[72] valid but I don't agree with a hundred nights of burning or however many nights has been of just burning and ruining a city I don't I don't understand how that I mean eventually maybe one night have a protest do whatever get your message out talk to people but just destruction I don't get that I think it's exactly what we're just saying that you get enough people that join onto a movement and the movement has no like directive or leaders they're just there showing up And you're going to get morons that do things, like light books on fire and throw them into the lobby, like doing all the things that they were doing, trying to break into the federal building.

[73] It's just people are nuts, man. And people are there.

[74] Everyone's so many angry people right now, too.

[75] That's also part of the problem.

[76] So many people are angry.

[77] It's a crazy time.

[78] And so many people are out of work because of COVID because everything's shut down.

[79] So people are furious because of that.

[80] You know, they don't know what to do.

[81] It's just, it's one of those things where it doesn't seem like.

[82] like there's a solution on the horizon for a lot of people.

[83] And so then they're like, we got to burn this system down.

[84] Fuck this system.

[85] And it's like, whew.

[86] But Portland is a fun place.

[87] I love going up there.

[88] I've always loved Portland.

[89] Well, I'm proud to be from Oregon.

[90] I mean, Oregon is a great state.

[91] This, I don't know, it's really hard to support just destruction.

[92] Yeah.

[93] And it's just, it doesn't seem like it's helping anything.

[94] You know, and then, you know, all the conspiracy theories, oh, it's the fucking, you know, They're trying to bring down democracy.

[95] It's Russia and China involved.

[96] And George Soros is funding it.

[97] There's a million different versions of the conspiracy of Taua.

[98] There's so much chaos in the streets.

[99] You know, it's a weird time.

[100] Yeah.

[101] I mean, Eddie Bravo was right about a lot of stuff.

[102] Alex Jones was right about a lot of stuff.

[103] Right.

[104] Yeah.

[105] You know, it's it is crazy because you start, and I've even texted you about this, about wondering about, you know, people would always say, well, do the elites run the country and they're controlling this and media and this and that and then I then you start wondering or thinking or seeing and and you see all this and it's like maybe that's true maybe the elites have been controlling everything and they're still trying to with this COVID and the fear and everything they're doing just they can control people with fear and that's what's happening I get super suspicious when people use that term the elites yeah how do you get in that group I don't even know what that is there a meeting what is what is the elites what does that mean I don't like them I know that.

[106] I know enough about it, but...

[107] I don't know if they're real.

[108] I mean, there has to be, right?

[109] There is a Bilderberger meeting, right?

[110] Yeah.

[111] Or the Bilderberg group, they get together and they meet up.

[112] Mm -hmm.

[113] But what do they do?

[114] I don't know.

[115] You know, maybe they just talk about interest rates.

[116] Yeah.

[117] Yeah.

[118] Well, we were talking about this, and I would probably...

[119] I'm a bow hunter, all right?

[120] So I don't like the politics and trying to explain all this.

[121] You stay in your lane.

[122] I try to stay in my lane.

[123] But I do have thoughts on other things and we were talking about like if you even look at the movie 300 and Gladiator like the old time the the weird they would say boy lovers and you know it's like these politicians it's like a toned down version of that still it's like there's so politicians I don't know it's why Trump got elected they were so people are so sick of quote politicians but there still is that that influence and that them can't trolling and then just a so much different than the people you know yeah well I think that's how you become successful as a politician you have to be a politician you have to be like deeply embedded and again this is just guessing I'm a moron too I should stay in my lane I don't know what I'm saying yeah but I would imagine that the only way you really get successful as a politician is you have to be connected to all these other people that are connected to all these special interest groups and lobbies and that's why you have to go to these fundraisers and that's why you have to mingle and And then it becomes normal.

[124] You become a part of, you know, it becomes a normal part of the system.

[125] Yeah.

[126] And I would imagine that that's the case with almost any big business.

[127] Like, that's why guys get together, the big business man, get together in golf.

[128] Yeah.

[129] Right?

[130] They get together and they talk shit and they figure out their plan and they work out deals and stuff.

[131] Yeah.

[132] And some of them do it on Fuck Island with Jeffrey Epstein.

[133] You know, I think that's a lot of...

[134] No, wait.

[135] What do you mean?

[136] I haven't heard anything about that.

[137] Well, what is that?

[138] Well, it's a place.

[139] It's beautiful.

[140] There's a lot of beautiful trees.

[141] and the beautiful warm water.

[142] And why is it called Fuck Island?

[143] Oh, I don't call it that.

[144] I call it a nice place to meet nice people.

[145] Right.

[146] I mean, how crazy is that?

[147] That's just gone.

[148] It's like, hey, wasn't that a story?

[149] Yeah.

[150] Was that a thing?

[151] Just went away.

[152] But that sounds way crazier than Antifa lighting fires in Portland.

[153] Yeah, yeah.

[154] And it's true.

[155] That's a real one.

[156] Yeah, there's...

[157] I can talk about that, and they're like, well, yeah, it is what it is.

[158] Yeah.

[159] I'm so mad at myself for saying that story and they have it not be true.

[160] When Jamie showed it to me, I was like, did I say that?

[161] Yeah.

[162] What is it like working with a moron?

[163] Is it weird?

[164] No, really.

[165] Like having someone like me being a moron like I am, being responsible for steering the ship.

[166] And, you know, your livelihood is connected to this.

[167] This has got to be strange, right?

[168] You're hitting the buttons, man. Well, you got to take the good with the bat, I guess.

[169] Is that how you look at it?

[170] So how does a self -proclaimed moron have the president of the United States?

[171] Well, he's clearly a moron, too.

[172] There's no one that makes sense.

[173] Tweeting about you, mentioning you.

[174] When do, oh, actually, when does him and Biden get here?

[175] No, it's not going to happen.

[176] See, Joe Biden's a smart one.

[177] He's like, well, that guy's a moron.

[178] I'm not going on his podcast.

[179] If he's a smart one, we got problems.

[180] Trump is like, that makes sense to me. I'm in.

[181] Well, Trump is like, I mean, he's obviously deeply, again, way out of my lane, just talking nonsense.

[182] But he's obviously connected to business.

[183] He's a huge businessman, huge successful business.

[184] but not a politician in any way other than becoming president yeah which is fucking bananas yeah you know part of it is good man part of it's good just to expose this system just to let everybody know hey look what can happen yeah look how look how can go wrong he has a whole fake news has really got some traction now yeah fake news is a real thing now I was say fake news yeah I was pretty impressed with the the treaty we just signed with Israel I mean Remember, Jared Kushner got, he got beat up a lot and Trump for appointing and the whole family and how everybody's involved in his operation, basically.

[185] But, you know, like, Jared Kushner wasn't qualified.

[186] And then here we signed this great treaty with Israel.

[187] And how'd that happen?

[188] I don't know.

[189] See, if Jared Kushner was not married to Trump's daughter, I think people would look at him very differently.

[190] The problem is he's married to Trump's daughter.

[191] And he looks like Damien from the Oman.

[192] Have you ever seen photos of him and Damien side to side?

[193] No, I haven't.

[194] Dude, he looks like a goddamn horror movie.

[195] Like, he's the devil's son.

[196] Because it's perfect, like slick back hair, perfect angular features, thin and always wears a suit.

[197] Jamie, show me, what's up?

[198] Push some buttons.

[199] He looks very similar to the omen.

[200] Well, whatever he did, it was good.

[201] Come on, son.

[202] Look at that.

[203] Yeah.

[204] Look at him and look at Damien.

[205] Look at the Yeah, come on Come on, right there Come on That's almost exact Bro Is that Photoshop?

[206] No That looks like it could be Photoshop No And even showing off his watch Look at my watch The devil gave me this watch That's not Gucci Look at that Those two up in the That looks like a horror movie Like oh they're here They're bringing in the antichrist The one the far left With Donald Trump being blurry And him that one right there Click on that one Come on son That's some satanic shit If that was in a Stephen King movie You'd be like Oh, my God.

[207] They've got to stop him!

[208] They've got to stop him!

[209] Well, whatever powers he's used, it worked out good for this treaty.

[210] It's just got good features.

[211] Yeah.

[212] You know, the kid's getting a hard time because he's got good angular features.

[213] Yeah, yeah.

[214] I wish I looked that good.

[215] I do too.

[216] Smooth skin.

[217] Oh, man. It looks nice.

[218] It's young.

[219] Yeah.

[220] Pite.

[221] Yeah.

[222] Everything's smooth.

[223] No, no ruddiness to his skin.

[224] No. Yeah, I don't know.

[225] The problem is if you're married to the president's daughter, and then you get a big job in the White House, automatically you're fucked.

[226] Like, people are just going to say automatically, you don't deserve that position.

[227] There's no way.

[228] And Biden's son is the same thing.

[229] Probably, right, yeah.

[230] I mean, that doesn't come up too often either, and that's pretty scandalous.

[231] Right, that thing where, you know, someone got fired because Biden forced it through.

[232] How did that work?

[233] Do you remember that?

[234] Oh, no, I better.

[235] We should stay out of politics.

[236] Let's try to avoid the retractions.

[237] I just wish there was some.

[238] something going on that I was really excited about.

[239] Like this is good.

[240] Like El Conney.

[241] Oh, El County.

[242] We're doing that soon.

[243] I know.

[244] I know.

[245] We're days away.

[246] And the thing about it, so I was just in Colorado, no reception.

[247] You versus the animals reading the country, reading the wind.

[248] That's, I mean, that's life.

[249] That's none of this BS.

[250] Yeah.

[251] Well, that's the beautiful thing about the woods as a reset, is that when you're out there and quiet, you realize, oh, none of these animals out here give a fuck about me they don't know who I am they don't know what is happening in the world they're not aware of Kamala Harris and Joe Biden no Nancy Pelosi or Donald Trump they don't know nothing they just out there trying to eat grass and not get eaten they're and breed yeah and and you know John when John was their last year he was like 18 yards away from a mountain lion John oh Dudley yeah yeah Well, I saw, we saw, I think when I was there, I saw one, but the guys hunting saw two during the day, Mountain Lions, and just out doing, because the snow came, the weird snow snortment went from 90 degrees one day to 20 degrees the next day.

[252] How does that happen?

[253] I don't know.

[254] Jared Kushner.

[255] That's how.

[256] Satan.

[257] Yeah.

[258] It had to be.

[259] But anyway, the animals were, they didn't know what to do.

[260] So the lions were out hunting hard.

[261] They were like, this is great.

[262] Animals weren't moving because they didn't know.

[263] They were kind of caught off guards.

[264] Normally the seasons change as a gradual.

[265] I think the bull stopped bugling.

[266] The deer stopped moving.

[267] Normally the bucks are in velvet, so they're off feeding and just in their normal routine.

[268] Everything stopped because the snow and this cold temperature came.

[269] But the lions were, they're like, oh, yeah, now we're going to the hot pocket section and killing some deer and elk.

[270] and it was it was crazy but we saw two lions and then the bear were kind of gone for a little while but then they popped back out too and it was a good hunting for sure yeah um that video that you posted the bear eating the elk calf that's uh that's something that people need to see yeah need to see the it's like people who love wild animals i i understand it like but there's there's a real cruelty to the way they die in the wild yeah that if people get upset about hunters like you kind of I understand that you wouldn't want a beautiful animal to die I do understand that but you kind of need to know that they're going to die no matter what happens and this is the way they usually die yeah and it's a rough way to go you know bears eating animals like that it's it's so hard to watch too because the bears don't really kill him first no and and the bear this year was a hard year for the elk calves because so the cows were pregnant drop we call it dropping the calves so they were given birth and the bear were just following knowing that the calves are going to be dropped they'll be on the ground they can't stand up and they could just kill them pretty quick and so they were finding like two cat two dead elk calves a day every day and this was a hard year specifically because it was dry in southern Colorado so the grass didn't grow normally the grass would be taller there'd be more cover elk calves could hide better they were just laying on the open and the bears were like, oh, okay, there you are.

[271] Go kill them and start eating them.

[272] And it was just, they hammered them this year.

[273] I mean, normally I talked to the game warden there when I was on that hunt, great guy, legend, Bob's his name.

[274] And he's been there for many years.

[275] And he said that normally in that area, there's about, I think, 23 elk calves survive a year out of 100 and this year was down in the teens because of the grass was they couldn't hide so it's going to be a rough year it's tough to survive anyway i mean 23 out of 100 isn't you know don't quote me on these numbers but it was just the point is i want to make it was less this year because there wasn't the cover yeah it's a it's a rough world man the world that they live in you know when we were there with johnny hamilton and he was telling us that story i've told the story before on the podcast about how they were tracking a cat and And they found the cat's tracks and then elk tracks and then no more cat tracks.

[276] And then they found the elk about 100 yards later.

[277] The cat had jumped on the elk's back and taken out a big bull elk.

[278] Yeah.

[279] I mean, those, they are amazing creatures.

[280] They live in the snow.

[281] They live in cold weather, in the mountains.

[282] They live solo.

[283] They hunt solo.

[284] They only interact with other animals mostly when it's time to breed, right?

[285] Yeah.

[286] Cats?

[287] Yeah.

[288] Yeah.

[289] Yeah.

[290] And they kill cats specifically kill a lot of big bucks.

[291] And the reason why is because those big old bucks, they like being by themselves.

[292] They don't like being, they just kind of go off by themselves, bed, and they live a solo life, basically.

[293] That's easy target for a cat.

[294] So cats kill a lot of big bucks.

[295] Yeah, it makes sense.

[296] But they're, I love that they're there.

[297] This is the thing about predators.

[298] It's like, I don't want to get eaten by a mountain lion, but I love that they exist.

[299] I don't want to get eaten by a grizzly, but I love the fact that there are grizzly bears.

[300] Like all of it is, it's such an interesting world, the world of the wild, the world of predator and prey.

[301] And when you're out in there, you feel so vulnerable and you feel so fleshy.

[302] Like whenever I see, like, even when you're taking care of an elk that you killed and you feel their hide, you're like, God, I'm so weak.

[303] like everything that we have is so soft and they're just they live in this life that's so it's so robust and it's so if they survive like the bull i just killed the texterous um he just texted or sent me a messes on instagram of the ivory so that's the the back teeth of the bull they call them ivories they're ivory people make jewelry out of them but he said they're the most worn ivories he's ever seen so the the bull was very old and so you can imagine a bull that's in that country 10 12 years old where you're living outside every single day I mean we stay outside one time and it's just like oh my god I thought it was good at people do die people do die from hypothermia they're out every single day living in the mountains so when you see their hide they're built for that when their muscle I mean a seven 800 pound bull elk that never eats meat obviously just eating grass solid muscle you know those things are just built it's incredible um and also with all those lions and the bears trying to survive that johnny you mentioned johnny hamilton they took eight lions out of that country this year and we're still seeing them during the daylight every day they have so much food oh yeah that's the thing if it's good hunting lions are going to be there yeah it's it's just the the world that they live in so spectacular they're trying to introduce uh reintroduce wolves to Oh, God.

[304] Don't know about all that?

[305] Yeah, that's ridiculous.

[306] You think that's ridiculous?

[307] Yeah, no. I'd like to have a biologist sit down and talk to, like a biologist who's pro, reintroduction of wolves, sit down with something like you and have like a conversation about it.

[308] Yeah, here's the problem.

[309] Here's what they do.

[310] They say, it all sounds good.

[311] Hey, wolves are a big part of the whatever.

[312] Let's get them back in where they used to be.

[313] let's make, because even you said you like knowing there's grizzly bear out there and you don't, obviously you don't want to be attacked, but just knowing they're there and maybe seeing them and wolves are amazing animal.

[314] The problem is they make all these I don't know, I don't want to say promises, but they sell it a certain way.

[315] Like we're going to have this many packs of wolves and they'll breed this often and then so we'll have a carrying capacity of this many wolves.

[316] Well, so once a wolves are there, then it's oh no we can't kill wolves because they sell it like they're going to manage them you know because we're going to keep this many but then it's like once they're there they're like oh no we can't hunt wolves i was like well no i thought you were gonna i thought we're going to manage them so that then all everything goes back to and then you got all these protests with all these pro wolf advocates saying we can't hunt wolves so they're there they're breeding over and over and over you got all these wolves running around killing because that's what they do and we can't hunt them because now we've backtracked.

[317] Well, it is one of those things where they promise that, like, they have a number.

[318] Like if we have 2 ,000 wolves in this particular area, then we'll open it up to management.

[319] What management means is they'll have tags and they'll put tags available for hunters and they can go and hunt wolves.

[320] People that hear that, they're like, wait, why would you, like they hear, you don't eat wolves, why would you hunt wolves?

[321] Wolves are beautiful.

[322] Wolves are like dogs.

[323] Yeah.

[324] But I understand that, and I'm on that perspective.

[325] I get that perspective.

[326] It makes a lot of sense to me. But people need to know that there was a reason why they wiped them out in the first place.

[327] Yeah.

[328] Like they were destroying cattle and they were, I understand too.

[329] Like, hey, they were here first.

[330] I get that.

[331] I get that perspective.

[332] But if you eat meat and you like having cattle, these ranchers, it's a struggle as a rancher as it is.

[333] And if ranchers get hit with wolves and wolves start taking out their calves and taking out their cattle, like it's it can be devastating they you know like in alaska they kill people's dogs they do a lot there's a lot of wild videos of wolves tearing apart dogs in people's backyards and wolves are just doing wolf things yeah that's what they do it's not it's not their fault but once they're there yeah they're not going anywhere well places where they exist they have a different perspective on them i remember i was in bc um and i ran into this man at the airport and uh i forget why he came up to me I think, like, I had a, maybe I had a hunting t -shirt on or something, something.

[334] Keep hammering.

[335] Maybe it was a keep hammering shirt.

[336] But he came up to me and he said, are you a hunter?

[337] And I said, yeah, yeah.

[338] And he goes, yeah, we do a lot of hunting up here.

[339] He goes, I do a lot of wolf hunting.

[340] And I was like, you wolf hunt, like, just right out of the gate at the airport.

[341] Yeah.

[342] I'm a wolf hunter.

[343] Yeah.

[344] And I go, why do you hunt wolves?

[345] Like, what do you hunt wolves for?

[346] This is like early on in my hunting days.

[347] and he's like if you don't hunt them man you got a real problem with their numbers he goes and he was telling me stories about friends that have ranches and they get attacked by wolves you know the cattle get attacked by wolves and he was telling me that they take barrels of frozen meat and that they freeze them with water and then they leave these big bricks of frozen meat and water out for wolves and then he's got stands set up where he uh who waits for wolves because it takes a long time for them to eat through the meat and the ice like this like a barrel filled with and you know he just kind of sets up shop and he goes and he goes some of them are just too smart he goes I'll set that up and they're like nope I know what that is yeah won't come anywhere near it he goes you'd be amazed how smart they are but it's just people that live like in bc and northern bc there's a lot of wolves they have wolf issues up there and those people they have a completely different attitude about what a wolf is yeah but it's the people that know wolves it's just the same thing in bc with the grizzly bears you know I mean, anybody who's out in the bush knows, hey, grizzlies are a big problem out here, but the people in the city make the decisions with the vote.

[348] Right.

[349] And that's what happened when they banned grizzly bear hunting in B .C. And that's what would likely happen in Colorado with wolves.

[350] Yeah.

[351] Most likely.

[352] Yeah.

[353] I mean, Colorado is Denver and Boulder.

[354] Yeah.

[355] Right.

[356] That's the big population centers.

[357] Very.

[358] And they're not going to be into shooting wolves.

[359] Anybody who's out there, like where I was and the guys I'm hunting with, there's no. No debate, no wolves.

[360] And it's, yeah.

[361] But some people say, like, the reason that's the case is because people want a lot of animals that they can hunt.

[362] Like, this is the argument, like, Steve Ronell has actually talked about this before with Alaska, that Alaska has done this sort of overmanagement of wolves in certain areas because they want to make sure that there's a high number of moose and caribou and deer so that people will come up there to hunt.

[363] Yeah.

[364] You know, because they're trying to maintain.

[365] And he's like, there's an argument that that's not.

[366] the natural ecosystem is that the natural ecosystem doesn't include skyscrapers that's true too so yeah i mean humans do infringe on that that's part of it so it's never going to be it's never going to be like caveman or native american times it's never going to be back to that yeah so we're trying to balance it as best we can and you know big game animals are a resource they're a resource for the states that they you know hunters do come in they contribute to a lot of things the habitat the conservation um different And that's hunting money.

[367] So if there's a bunch of wolves there and you can't hunt the wolves because these groups have protested and made it illegal, and then the wolves are killing all the deer and elk, yeah, that's not going to work.

[368] Yeah, it's, it's an interesting situation because I love the fact that there are places where there are wolves.

[369] Like whenever we've gone to BC to John and Jen's place up there.

[370] Alberta.

[371] Or I'd say, sorry, Alberta.

[372] Whenever we've gone up there in Canada, you, you, you, you.

[373] you know there's wolves in that area.

[374] And there's something cool about it.

[375] I remember we saw one once in the distance crossing, crossing a road.

[376] It's pretty far away.

[377] Yeah.

[378] But I remember, that was like the closest I've ever been to a wolf.

[379] But just seeing it crossing that road.

[380] And I'm like, look at that.

[381] I know.

[382] I don't.

[383] Yeah.

[384] And I think that we get a, we get our bear license, but then we also get a license for wolves.

[385] I think it's $25 or $50.

[386] It's pretty cheap.

[387] And there's always a hope that you'll see a wolf and be nice to get an arrow in one.

[388] and um well they want to control them because they destroy the oh yeah population of the the moose and the elk and and it's you know the argue it's for people that don't there aren't in that world they're like well why would why would you want to kill a wolf like why don't just let them sort it out like that's the california argument like what they want to do essentially the people that manage wildlife a lot of them at least in california they would like to eliminate hunting and let the animals all take care of themselves in some sort of normal wild way and force everyone to eat tofu force you to eat tofu until you grow breasts.

[389] I think that's the plan.

[390] I think it's written somewhere.

[391] I don't think that's true.

[392] But I do think that they don't like the idea of human beings.

[393] Like there's things that people will accept like deer hunting.

[394] People have deer hunted forever.

[395] A lot of people have eaten deer.

[396] Deer tastes good.

[397] That makes sense.

[398] But as soon as you move into things like mountain lions, Like, even if you tell people that mountain lions taste good, they don't want to hear that.

[399] No. They do not want to hear you're eating mountain lions.

[400] Well, they're not seeing lions, so they don't think there's anything out there.

[401] But California is riddled with mountain lions.

[402] Yeah, there's quite a few.

[403] Yeah.

[404] There's quite a few.

[405] And they also don't have bad experiences with them.

[406] I think the people that have bad experiences with them have a completely different attitude.

[407] Yeah, you have one on your back, you want to hunted.

[408] Yeah, now it's not, you're not in Disney.

[409] Yeah.

[410] You're not in a Disney movie.

[411] Now you're a part of the food chain, and you realize, like, oh, I'm way down here.

[412] I'm not up here.

[413] When I'm in my house and I've got a gun, I'm up here.

[414] But when you're out in the woods and you don't have a gun and you're hiking, and you realize you're being stalked.

[415] Yeah.

[416] There's a crazy video that I saw once from Colorado, this guy.

[417] And there's a mountain line slowly walking towards him on this trail.

[418] And he's trying to figure out what to do.

[419] And he's talking to it.

[420] And he's like saying, hey, get the fuck out of here.

[421] Yeah.

[422] And, you know, you realize, like, he got away.

[423] Yeah.

[424] The mountain line gave up on him, luckily.

[425] But that could have been the end of that guy's life.

[426] That thing is just slowly moving towards him And trying to figure out whether or not it could eat him And that's all it does It's not like I've never done this for I don't know if I can do this Like it takes down things every single day Yeah I mean it definitely yeah When a predator locks eyes on you like that It's definitely a different feeling I mean Yeah it's uh They're good at what they do I mean they kill Yeah um I remember that uh underarmor commercial that you did Where uh they had a wolf in the commercial with you.

[427] And you said they could only get the wolf to growl one time because after that it was over.

[428] Like you could not control the wolf.

[429] No. Yet we, to make it growl, to make it mad, we gave it meat and then took it away.

[430] So it was very upset.

[431] It didn't get the meat.

[432] But once it got in that, because it was obviously a tame wolf or a, it'd been in movies.

[433] Trained wolf.

[434] But once you introduced meat and it got in that mindset of of meat yeah then that was that was going to be it yeah this is the the commercial it's an awesome commercial how long ago was this commercial um i'm not sure quite a few years ago right yeah like four or five at least say 2013 damn seven years ago yeah it's a dope commercial yeah and it's cool the wolf was awesome i mean wolves are amazing how big was it it was tall i mean i'd say it's probably 120 130 pounds i guess, but they're a lot taller than what you, like, compared to a dog, a normal dog.

[435] How come they don't do more of these commercials?

[436] I don't know.

[437] So the whole idea is that you and the wolf are in competition and that you won out.

[438] Yeah, see, I got the bull, and it's mad.

[439] And so that's when it did that growling.

[440] Yeah, yeah.

[441] And then after effort did that, that was it.

[442] You could tell it's got a collar.

[443] Back that up a little bit.

[444] Back that up a little bit.

[445] Look, look at that.

[446] Yeah, it has.

[447] well it's just a little it's a little rope but that's it had his hair matted down right there yeah but it's a little rope that's someone's dog bro that's a husky no it was a wolf but it's yeah it had a little piece of rope on it have you ever heard the john dudley story that he told on the podcast yeah yeah that's a crazy story yeah being surrounded by yeah or something like that they fucked up and it was like that scene in the gray they killed an elk and they didn't realize they killed an elk literally in the wolf's den oh god like where they killed the elk there was like bones all over the place in the area and they're like oh shit and these wolves circled them and decided they were going to take the elk wow yeah what what where was that it was in bcc and it was him and a guide and the guide only had a certain amount of bullets oh and uh he only had a certain amount because john only uses a four hour quiver yeah so john shot the uh elk with one quiver or one arrow from his quiver and then he had three left and he killed two other wolves and he had one arrow and they had shot three wolves together like and the wolves were running at them running at them he killed two wolves that were running at him wow yeah and then one of them he thinks was the alpha male was sitting on the top of this ridge like at about I think he said about 50 60 yards staring at him and he drew back for that one and then he took off and then the whole pack just took off with them they'd abandoned the situation because they realized what was going on but when they shot one he said all the other ones started howling like they try to figure out who was dead yeah check in yeah which is crazy so like he's basically a weird little war with these wolves and they were they were making runs at them that'd be intense oh my god he said our back was to a tree and he goes the guide only has like a couple of bullets because the guide's bullets are just to scare off grizzlies yeah yeah he doesn't want to shoot it he just wants to scare it they're not hunting grizzlies yeah so he brings a couple i'll just grab a couple bullets put in my pocket and then here they are out in this situation where where they're literally getting run up on by a pack of wolves.

[448] Man, that's intense.

[449] I couldn't imagine.

[450] Wow.

[451] Yeah.

[452] I've seen what me and Roy, it wasn't our last hunt, the hunt before I was hunting brown bear up in Alaska.

[453] And I wanted to kill, in this area, there's so many brown bear.

[454] You could kill two, so I wanted to kill one spot in stock, and then hunting a tree, and you can bait them up there because there's so many.

[455] and they had just made this legal.

[456] So my goal was to hunt both ways.

[457] Anyway, I killed a bear on the spot and stock.

[458] And we were up in the tree trying to kill another bear.

[459] We were on this island.

[460] And it was, I thought we saw a flash of a bear earlier and it was getting dark.

[461] It's like, well, it never really, it gets dark for about an hour and a half at this time of year.

[462] This was in July.

[463] And so we were just going to stay in the tree the whole time.

[464] So we got in there at seven at night, and we're going to stay until five in the morning and just kind of ride out the darkness.

[465] And I saw a flash, and I thought we'd seen a bear earlier, but it didn't come in.

[466] And I thought, oh, the bear's coming back.

[467] Turns out it was a wolf.

[468] And it's a black wolf, and it came in there.

[469] I have it on video.

[470] I haven't even shared it yet.

[471] But it was a black wolf, and it stopped there at about 20 or 25 yards.

[472] And it was so just a wild wolf that.

[473] close is pretty amazing it's like their special animal it is there's something about them because they're so damn smart yeah it reminds me of that picture well the wolf in the picture i think did they send you one to that photographer the wolf i have on the snow the black one has head down yeah yeah yeah remind me of that old studio yeah yeah just such a incredible animal so yeah i love wolves i definitely don't think um wolves should be wiped out or anything like that but i just don't think wolves in Colorado is that's not that's not the thing we should do it's just reintroducing them just sets off a whole chain I need to talk to somebody there was a guy that is a pro he's a biologist and he's a pro wolf reintroduction yeah I need to have you want to be on with him sure yeah yeah it'd be an interesting conversation yeah maybe you can explain yeah there's a great video called how wolves I think it's called how wolves change rivers yeah yeah I've heard about it yeah really interesting video about this guy and talked about the reintroduction of wolves in the 1990s into yellowstone yeah yeah and about how it's changed the ecosystem for the better yeah but then I looked into the guy yeah and the guy is yeah he's an eccentric character yeah I'm not saying he's wrong but he's uh he's into what's called rewilding and he wants to reintroduce wild animals into places including like the UK he wants to reintroduce like he's like the UK used to have lions and elephants and all these different animals he wants to see if we could find this gentleman the guy it's his the concept is rewilding and apparently he was like this really depressed guy who's like urban you know doing the the the normal city thing in in england and uh got really into the idea of wildlife and reintroducing wildlife yeah i feel bad for them over there i mean no hunting.

[474] I mean, you know, me without hunting.

[475] Well, that's your source of food.

[476] It's also what you train for, which when I first met you and I was like, why does this guy train so hard?

[477] Like, what is he doing?

[478] And then you're like, oh, I trained for bow hunting.

[479] I'm like, what?

[480] Like, what is happening when you're bow hunt?

[481] Like, are you in a race?

[482] Like, what's going on?

[483] And then the first time you took me, I was like, oh, okay, I get it.

[484] fuck you have to be in like really crazy shape yeah to pull this off well you don't you don't have to but here what i know is like when hunting and you know how it is now you've done it for years but in the mountains um there's so many decisions yeah you can get up and down the mountains you can get around elk but there's so many decisions that you have to make and it's it's related on performance so the higher level of performance the better decisions you're going to make I mean, like on these last hunts, I pretty much have an arrow knocked.

[485] I've killed two bulls this year and a buck and a bear.

[486] I've had an arrow knocked pretty much all day, pretty ready to go.

[487] And that can be fatiguing.

[488] Just this walking around slowly is tiring.

[489] So when you're at a heightened level for eight hours or more, 15 hours on some days, and you're covering distance.

[490] And it's like, I want to be ready at all times for anything that happens.

[491] So I have an arrow knocked and I am ready.

[492] So to do that, it's exhausting.

[493] If I didn't train the way I do, I couldn't do that.

[494] So who knows what that would result in as far as success.

[495] But people don't realize that just, I mean, you know what it's like when you're hunting.

[496] It's like almost, you know, yoga poses all day.

[497] Essentially, I've heard people describe it as.

[498] Yeah.

[499] And, uh, because you're going so slow and so controlled and every footstep is, is controlled and, and, uh, um...

[500] Just freezing.

[501] Like, if you're in a situation and an elk sees you and you have to freeze and you're holding your bow in your hand, you don't realize how damn heavy that thing is.

[502] And they don't have anywhere to go.

[503] And they'll just stand there.

[504] They'll, they have nothing to do other than not let whatever they're unsure about kill them.

[505] And their vision is based on edge detection, right?

[506] I don't know.

[507] I think it's based on they see.

[508] see you movement.

[509] Like, that's why Camel works.

[510] Yeah.

[511] Because if you're, if you're standing there, they don't say, oh, there's a dude in Camo.

[512] They see the pattern and they see the edges.

[513] As long as you don't move.

[514] Right.

[515] They don't see anything funky.

[516] When they see movement with the edge detection, like moving edges, like this edge is moving towards that edge.

[517] Like, what is that?

[518] Yeah.

[519] But if you just stand still.

[520] Right.

[521] But if you got that bow in your hand, you're like, fucking, I can hold it like this.

[522] And you've got your bow out like this.

[523] And you're trying to hold it steady.

[524] Like, you got.

[525] maybe a minute, two minutes in you before that fucker starts to shake and then the elk is like, who?

[526] Yeah, and so you quickly realize when doing hunts like that what being in shape means.

[527] Yeah.

[528] Oh, dude, I learned.

[529] Like last year I thought I was in pretty good shape until I went up there with you.

[530] And I was like, got that one hill that we went up to to get the bull that we wind up getting.

[531] Fuck, that was hard.

[532] And to get up there.

[533] And then the only good thing is that was in good enough shape that even though I was exhausted, I got my heart rate back quick.

[534] Yeah, it recovered.

[535] It wasn't like I was beaten down once I got up there.

[536] Yeah, because you still have to, we had to get the wind right to get up the hill, essentially what it was.

[537] And that recovery is all related to how good a shape you're in.

[538] That thing that we had last year, I mean, I don't know if we ever played the clip, but that moment that we had up there was one of the wildest elk hunting moments.

[539] I don't know, I haven't been elk hunting for that long.

[540] That was the wildest thing I'd ever experienced.

[541] When you killed your bull?

[542] There was, how many bulls were up there?

[543] like nine just screaming is so like blah we'd pass some bowls but there was nine just on that one little hillside it was like it's what what i would call a rut fest yeah so there must have been some hot cows in there those bulls were coming in they can smell a hot cow which means the cow in estrus so she's ready to breed um ovulating i guess is what you'd say if for human but uh so she was in estrus means she's a hot cow mean those bulls are like okay i mean bulls kill each other yeah They kill each other all the time fighting.

[544] Well, tell the story about the one bull that you shot that you thought was in its bed, but was actually dead.

[545] Yes, yeah.

[546] No, so I snuck up and I saw this bull and its head was, I don't know, I mean, they get exhausted.

[547] So it's, they can lay their head down a little bit and rest.

[548] I mean, middle of the day, they up all night, rutting, chasing, fighting.

[549] So I saw this bull bedded and there's a big bull and I'm like, God, I don't know.

[550] I mean, it's not moving, but I don't know.

[551] Might as well, we've got to make sure.

[552] So I took my boots off and it started sneaking in, sneaking in, sneaking in.

[553] And I got to about 20 -some yards.

[554] And I'm like, I don't know, but I don't want to be wrong.

[555] So I shot the bull, never moved.

[556] And it was already dead.

[557] It had been killed the night before.

[558] It took a tying in the neck, it looked like.

[559] Wow.

[560] And it got, it was dead from fighting.

[561] Wow.

[562] Yeah.

[563] Now, if it got killed the night before, can you salvage the meat?

[564] meat?

[565] I don't think so.

[566] I mean, it didn't look good.

[567] Was it hot?

[568] It was a hot day?

[569] Yeah, it's hot.

[570] Yeah.

[571] Yeah.

[572] That's a bummer.

[573] Mm -hmm.

[574] I know.

[575] That's, I mean, that's life in the wild.

[576] It is life in the wild.

[577] Yeah.

[578] It's, uh, we, we stumbled across one that had been killed, had been, uh, poked in the side, but it would have been quite a while ago, and it was rotten.

[579] It smelled terrible.

[580] Mm -hmm.

[581] This one, I'm guessing it was a night before.

[582] It was, it wasn't that long, but the meat had turned.

[583] You realize that, you know, those antlers on their head, that's not just for looks.

[584] No. That's their weapons of war.

[585] No. This kid, Wes, on the last hunt that I just did in Colorado, he had some good footage of bulls fighting.

[586] Oh, my God.

[587] Dude, they're getting after it.

[588] It's wild.

[589] Yeah.

[590] That's what makes it, you know, between that being, they're so aggressive.

[591] Then the sounds they make of people haven't heard them if you hear a bull bugle at 20 or 30 yards, you can't believe how loud that is.

[592] is then you couple that with the antlers and the size of them and their aggressive nature and they're coming you can hear them coming through the trees and shit's breaking and as a hunter you're sitting there and it's a lot to absorb you know it's a lot I saw somebody yesterday commented that they've been practicing at 20 yards on a target and it's so small compared to a bull elk and it's like that must look like a house at 20 yards how could you miss and I'm like well people shoot over the back of bulls all the time at 20 yards because it's so intense.

[593] Yeah, if you've never experienced it, the screaming alone, it's like when you're near it, they sound like something from Lord of the Rings.

[594] Yeah, yeah.

[595] What an animal, man. They have everything going for them.

[596] They do.

[597] The looks, the crazy antlers, the delicious meat, the crazy sounds they make, the wild places that they live and the romantic but short life that they live.

[598] They live this wild, crazy short life running away from mountain lions and bears and wolves and trying to get laid.

[599] Yeah.

[600] And then fight another elk to the death with swords that grow out of your head.

[601] Sounds like the life I want to live.

[602] No. No, I'd rather be the bow hunter, sleep in a nice place.

[603] Even if it's just a tent, some place with a sleeping bag.

[604] Shelter.

[605] I know.

[606] Yeah, we'll get up and do this again tomorrow.

[607] Yeah, drink out of a cooler.

[608] Meanwhile, they're out there surviving all night.

[609] Never lets up.

[610] to me it's my uh one of my favorite parts of the year is just the reset of just experiencing the woods the real wilderness yeah like where we're going in utah and the mountains what is it was that mountain range called um is it the unita unitas or unitas or something like that whatever it is it's it's a gorgeous mountain range yeah it's gorgeous and it's it's just it just reminds you you know of what life must have been like before human beings ever existed before they ever came to this part of the world and just walking around with those animals it's a reset it's a real reset and every time I eat that meat I think about those moments I know that connection and when we talk about it I mean at nauseam probably but that feeling that's pretty yeah that's yeah you need a winta how do you say it i don't know try it is that a native american word winter i'm not sure who made that word up why they put those letters together like that i'm not sure but that is what it looks like that's part of what it looks like yeah really looks like the um yeah like that right there that's that's super familiar to me yeah so gorgeous oh it's beautiful and we'll hike if like we'll start where you see the beginning at the bottom of the screen and we'll go all the way to that far mountain range and you know if you're if you're out of shape yeah it's a rough go of it you're just gonna make take a lot of shortcuts like into your decision making and make a lot of poor decisions yeah and chances are you're not gonna i mean you can kill people kill all the time i see it all time look this guy killed and he doesn't run a marathon a day or whatever that people want to say no you can get lucky yeah you can but if you're going to have sustained success for decades decades, multiple times a year, you're going to have to be at your best.

[611] Yeah.

[612] That's all there's to it.

[613] And I got to think that a guy like you who does ultramarathons and all this crazy working out, there has to be something to what you're eating.

[614] There has to be.

[615] Yeah.

[616] The fact that you're eating all this wild game is that your diet is, like, how much of your diets meet?

[617] Oh, probably, I would say, 40%.

[618] Just 40?

[619] Yeah, 40 to 50.

[620] What's the rest of it?

[621] carbs like potatoes and rice and fruits and vegetables just think about how much wild game you consume and how much how protein rich that is and how like that dark red meat that you get from the animals like how how good that is for you that has to have some sort of an effect on your your physical abilities because one of the things that people always marvel at with you is like how the fuck does this guy do so many things like how do you have the time To get up in the morning, I mean, there's been many times you've run a marathon a day.

[622] I know people are hearing this.

[623] Oh, this guy's full of shit.

[624] No, no, no. No, a marathon a day.

[625] You've run multiple marathons.

[626] You've done days where you got up at 3 o 'clock in the morning, more than one day where you ran a marathon and then went to work.

[627] Yeah.

[628] Or you've run 18, 19 miles, went to work and then finish the marathon off during your lunch break.

[629] And then you'll go lift weights.

[630] And then you'll shoot your bow or you shoot your bow and then you lift weights.

[631] and like it has to play a factor I know there's just overall endurance and discipline and the fact that you've just always given yourself this hard workload and your body's adapted to it I'm sure that has something to do with it but the fact that you're not injured all the time and the fact that you have all this energy I gotta think that that wild game plays a big factor and all that I would think I mean I eat wild game every day every single day and I know that has to help me recover But I think aside from that, I think we're, as humans, we're capable of so many amazing things.

[632] And it's like, I've, that's why the people who you've had on this podcast that I've, I've, like, been obsessed with connecting with because they're humans just like we are, but they goggins.

[633] They do incredible, it's like, how can the same species of whatever, so humans just like everybody else walking around here do such amazing things?

[634] I try to, I want to connect.

[635] I always want to connect with those people like Gagons, Courtney DeWalter, been running with Emma Coburn lately.

[636] She's an Olympic steeple chaser.

[637] She won the bronze at the last Olympic.

[638] I'm thinking she's going to win the gold at this Olympics, this coming year.

[639] So I try to think, well, how can they do that?

[640] They're the same species as we all are.

[641] There must be something.

[642] Courtney is a toughest person I've ever been around.

[643] I've been around some tough people but her mental toughness is unlike anything you've ever seen it's weird too because she seems so nice and normal she is but she's yeah she's you know couldn't get more you couldn't find a more sweet person but I've said this before where a dog will run itself to debt that's yeah I took that picture right there what is this it says we estimate I slept fewer than four hours during my 105 hours on the Colorado Trail is a combination of one -minute trail naps and longer attempts in the RV and sometimes they happen by accident during a group sunrise photo weekend at Bernie's anyway so she just passed out while she's doing this.

[644] Less than ideal overall sleep time but during the later days the coughing and the wheezing preventing me from being able to fall asleep.

[645] Sleep game needs me to work.

[646] Explain this whole thing that she was trying to accomplish.

[647] Right.

[648] Go to that one weekend of Bernie's one.

[649] Yeah.

[650] So right here.

[651] So we stopped with the sun coming up to take.

[652] a picture and she'd been going for 105 hours which i what is that over four days and slept for four hours so we stopped to take a picture and she fell asleep i mean just passed out but right after this picture she's up running so that that other picture on the trail that i took with her and maggie um like a lot of people will look at this and they'll say what kind of a human wants to do this this this was a three minute nap right here.

[653] So it was going to be three minutes or maybe six minutes, but something, Sun had just come up.

[654] And incidentally, I'd just seen a big group of bucks in the dark about two hours earlier, about, I think three in the morning.

[655] This is probably about five in the morning.

[656] But I laid my pack on her legs there and my coats on her legs.

[657] She's the closest one.

[658] Maggie's the second one.

[659] Who Maggie, in her own right, she won the, it's called Biggs Backyard ultra where they run four miles every hour for as long as you can do it get four miles on and she won it last year Courtney the year before was a first woman anyway so these women are insane but they took uh three minute naps or a six minute nap right here then back up and that's reset your body i mean it reset it's like a control alt delete so before this she Courtney was like so exhausted from all that this, Maggie would ask a question, and she'd answer barely audibly two minutes later.

[660] And so it was me, or Courtney, than me, than Maggie.

[661] And Maggie would say something to Courtney, nothing.

[662] Two minutes later, she'd like, I could barely hear it.

[663] She'd answer whatever Maggie said, because her brain was like, they said her oxygen level of her brain was at 70%, which that was because of the coughing and lung issues and the high altitude and the dust and everything so it just her brain wasn't working like let's explain what she was trying to do yeah she was okay she was trying to the fastest known time to run the entire Colorado trail from Durango to Denver is eight days and something like two hours I think she wanted to beat that by a day so she was trying to run 490 miles from Durango to Denver with 90 ,000 feet of elevation gain total in seven days and uh to do that i mean it's a you can't sleep is i don't know i don't know what the perfect answer is she uh she was about 22 hours i think at one point ahead of the record but she ended up in the emergency room just because her her she pushed so hard what I was going to say is animals will push look how fucked up she looks yeah she looks so tired yeah look at her eyes I know she just looks exhausted yeah so that her pulse oxygen was 70 which it's supposed to be in the 90s and if it's at 80 or 85 they say go immediately to the emergency room to the doctor and hers is 70 so her brain just wasn't getting enough oxygen and the doctor, I believe the doctor said that, because they said, well, what would happen if she keeps pushing?

[664] And he said, well, she'll die on the trail.

[665] So, well, that's the problem with someone who's that tough.

[666] Yeah.

[667] That's what I was saying.

[668] They literally could push themselves to the point where their heart stops.

[669] And animals do that.

[670] We know that.

[671] A dog will push itself.

[672] A horse will push itself so hard that they will die.

[673] Not my dog.

[674] No, your dog.

[675] I throw a ball from four or five times in a row and he just, he drops the ball and lays down.

[676] He's like, bro, we're done yeah right so some dogs yeah my dog like cashwood he's a lab and all he wants to do he'll do that totally run right so and horses do that horses die a lot or not a lot but horses die from pushing so most humans have that self -preservation mode where i mean most humans that's like the hint of discomfort yes i'm out yeah so but cordonie has that where um i don't know well goals are interesting because goals are what force you to pass your comfort zone and go into this crazy level where you realize you're you're only tapping into a very small percentage of what your body's capable of like even goggins what is his quote the most people quit at 40 % 40 % yeah i think he's 100 % accurate there yeah i don't know i'm throwing percentages around here 40 % 100 % it sounds good but I mean anybody knows he knows right but there's there's a thing that you do when you tap into like when you have a goal when you say I'm going to run 10 miles a day and I'm going to keep doing like my friend Lex Friedman um the scientist MIT guy yeah he was on the podcast last week one of the things that he was talking about was he did this challenge where he ran was it four miles every four hours four that was he did two challenges yeah that was the first one he did right earlier in the year before it was four hours four miles every four hours for 48 hours yeah or 48 miles whatever it and just talking about it I think Goggins yeah yeah godgins set that up yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah and uh and then there was some crazy push up sit up pull up challenge that they did as well and uh gogan said whatever you do i'm gonna do double yeah which just a nice little mind fuck when you're falling apart and you realize that Goggins is doing twice what you're doing.

[677] But there's something about a goal like that where you set it in motion and you realize you have to do it where it forces you out of your comfort zone.

[678] It forces you to realize what your body is actually capable of, which most people just never do.

[679] That's one of the great things about making someone compete.

[680] Like that's a great thing about training for a marathon or getting ready to do something is like when you have a goal and then you actually, and then you're committed to the thing and you actually have to go and do it, then, and only then, do you often find out what your body is actually capable?

[681] Yeah, yeah.

[682] And still, even during that goal or that performance, it's really hard to push.

[683] I mean, push and give all you got.

[684] I remember my kids, I would say, said, did you give all you got?

[685] Yeah.

[686] Well, I didn't see, you weren't throwing up.

[687] You didn't throw up at the end.

[688] You know, it's like, when you push, I don't even, I mean.

[689] It's not like I'm, I can say I do that every time either, but it's like, who really pushes with all they got?

[690] Well, and what is that line?

[691] Yeah.

[692] What's after that line?

[693] Do you die?

[694] I don't know.

[695] And would you be happy if you push so hard that you died?

[696] Like, well, this is a good way to die.

[697] Well, no. Then you know you gave your all.

[698] But isn't that, so that's what fascinates me with these people with the Goggins and Courtney and, you know, also in some respects, Emma is like put, is like.

[699] performing at this level and it's just incredible to me it's like so i want to know how can i take whatever mindset they have apply it to myself and what i do so that's all i've tried to do is like i and i've said a million times i'm definitely not talented i spend time around people who are the best of what they do and hoping a little bit i can pick up a little bit um get that mindset like Goggins flips that switch.

[700] Courtney just has no switch.

[701] It's just what is what is?

[702] What is?

[703] I want to know what that is.

[704] Like what when you say you're not talented because you're obviously very successful at both as a bowhunter.

[705] You're probably, I mean, if there's three top bohunters on the planet earth, you're in that top.

[706] I don't know how many people are the best bohunters on earth.

[707] But in my mind, you're, you're in that group.

[708] What is talent?

[709] Like if you're that good at bowhunting, and I've seen you shoot targets 150 yards away.

[710] shoot balloons I mean you seem to do some ridiculous shit you're obviously incredibly talented with a bow like what is talent what does that mean to you when you say I'm not talented uh to me I always equate talent to physical um like performance like say running 100 meters or like a freak athlete yeah okay I equate talent to athleticism right like uh like a like a Mike Tyson or uh you know Polo Costa yeah some just freak athlete or runners I I mean, runners, there's, like they've, you know, we've been running since the beginning of time.

[711] Right.

[712] If you're one of the fastest to humans to ever run.

[713] You have to be talented.

[714] That's, yeah, that's talent.

[715] Yeah, there's things that people get that you are never going to get, right?

[716] There's a certain amount of speed people can generate, a certain amount of power people can generate.

[717] There's things that people can do.

[718] But the kind of things that you're doing, it's not required, it just requires mental strength.

[719] You're doing endurance runs where these long ass mind torture runs.

[720] They don't require that sprinting shit.

[721] They just require that ability to keep going when you don't want to keep going.

[722] Right.

[723] The ability to maintain a pace that's painful.

[724] Right.

[725] And I was talking to the, because after my hunt in Colorado, I went and ran with Courtney.

[726] We did a 14 ,000 foot peak.

[727] And then I ran with Emma the next day.

[728] And two totally different athletes, Courtney's, you know, the, the eight seven days crazy emma's the 3 ,000 meters and i was talking to them both about pain because cordonie's pain isn't as intense but it's for a long time a week you know or days emma's pain so for she wants to break nine minutes in the steeple chase she never has 902s is her best i believe and uh she'll have to break nine minutes probably to win the gold medal what's a steeple chase that's 3 ,000 meters and it has the barrier like the water barrier so you jump over you jump over barriers and then there's a water barrier too have you ever seen them jump over over I don't think I've ever seen a steeple chase look up Emma here this is it right here yeah that's oh wow so you jump over water damn look how much air she gets yeah that's crazy yeah so that's her so it's like so she's she has nine minutes and you you can see her like there's a good video of her when the world championships emma coburn world championship so this steeple chase thing the water you have to jump over the water what if you land in the water they land in the water that's okay yeah just slows you down um they they can't really clear that water so they plan on on running and landing in the water what a weird thing to have a puddle in your run yeah yeah so so see so that's right and she's taller than like those the other girls they're usually from Ethiopia or Kenya that what a weird event you make them jump over a fence into a pond yeah that's so bizarre I never knew this existed how do I go this long here's another one yeah so they some don't have the water like just have that barrier there and I think there's four per lap how many people eat shit jumping over that barrier where'd she go just in front I think oh look at her Oh, so.

[729] Oh, I know.

[730] With them legs.

[731] Damn.

[732] Get some length.

[733] She can.

[734] So anyway, so she's got nine minutes of pain.

[735] And I was asking her about, because there's always a decision, like, I watched her watch, run this mile race.

[736] And she was kind of in back with about a lap to go.

[737] And there's always that decision, like, do I want to go now and have it hurt really bad or just kind of, ah, it wasn't my day?

[738] Like, how do you decide?

[739] to deal with that pain and so that's what I was asking her about because that's what fascinates me what she said she's so there she did at 919 so she's got it down to 902 yeah she's got 902 is her best now god damn i know look at all those ladies are beating down at the end of that that looks so exhausting so painful yeah so she's from this little town crested bute in Colorado and that's where i went and ran with her and it's that's 10 000 9000 feet what was her um her answer to that to like the pain deciding she's just so she like her her brain is so focused in on that time that nine minutes where it's just like and so it's just she knows that if she pushes now it's only going to last this amount of time you know it's just this is what she's got to do this is how it works she's been doing it her whole life and so it's just pushed through so like if she's so regimented on time from doing track her whole life she'll like say well can you meet me at um 10 and then we can get coffee and until about 1020 and then we'll go we should be able to get to the mountain by about 1030 and then we can run and we should be done i mean like everything is like so regimented because her brain works like that so when she thinks about that pain i think she just knows that it's going to be the certain amount of time and then it's going to be over and this is what she does so It's different than, say, Courtney, who's not going to, it won't be as intense because you don't with sprinting when you're exhausted.

[740] It just hurts.

[741] It's so easy to be like, that's what I was asking her about because when I watched her run a mile, that's not her event.

[742] Her event is 3 ,000 meters, which is more than a mile.

[743] So I said, you could easily said, well, this isn't my event.

[744] You know, you made that decision whether to go and pass all these other girls.

[745] and win or just be like it wasn't my night this isn't my event whatever and just a little bit less oh just so this decision on should i go or should i stay right here where it's comfortable this feels good i mean it's still hard it's still an effort but it's not the pain like going so when you make the right when you make this decision oh she almost went right there but didn't see that so when you make that decision, oh, this is, I think this is a world championships.

[746] Yeah, this was that the race we just watched, but this is the full race.

[747] So you hang back knowing.

[748] This is, no, this is, no, no, no, no, no, that was 2014.

[749] This is, so watch this.

[750] She passes right here.

[751] This is a world championships.

[752] Going over this water, that girl in the middle, didn't go over good.

[753] Emma did.

[754] And right here, so she's turning it on.

[755] But now it's, you know, now the finish line is there.

[756] But see how controlled and like fluid she is.

[757] And this is so fast.

[758] God damn.

[759] And so she went on that crazy run with you and Courtney as well?

[760] No, no, no, no. What was she doing?

[761] They're two different athletes.

[762] Um, no. She didn't run that, like she was sleeping up there with you guys, right?

[763] No, no, no, no, that was Maggie.

[764] Oh, Maggie.

[765] Yeah, yeah.

[766] She's, she's an ultra, this is Emma Coburn.

[767] Emma, Emma, Maggie.

[768] Those are such white girl names.

[769] I just conflate them all together in my head.

[770] Yeah, no, Emma lives in Crested Bute, so I went, I met Courtney and Leadville, and that's, we ran Mount Sherman, which is 14 ,000 feet.

[771] So I met her at 4 in the afternoon, Courtney and her husband, Kevin.

[772] And we did this big 11 -mile loop, and we did a 14 ,000 -foot peak.

[773] And then I stayed there at their house.

[774] And then the next morning I got up and drove and met Emma in Crested Butte, which is another small town.

[775] Colorado and it's high altitude and that's where that's where Emma grew up and her parents live and so I met her there the next day and we ran I don't know shorter distance but she runs so much faster you know five miles or whatever but for me running five miles at 10 ,000 feet with her at that pace it's like I mean she's got some length too oh yeah how tall is she uh I would say five seven but her long her legs are so long yeah yeah and running running she's she got that crazy long stride yeah and running she's run trails there at 10 ,000 or 9 ,000 feet and it's just like that training and to to go over those barriers you have to be athletic yeah like it's a different explosive she's more athletic than say the girls from kenya they're smaller they but they live Kenya's high elevation too so but if emma lives at the same elevation has the same talent um fastest mile ever run in colorado soil running 432 .7 yeah that's that's the one i that's the one i watched that's where i said she was in yeah she was in at the back and then i said that decision you made to turn it on no that's not it oh just a slow motion version of it oh yeah i think this yeah this was a couple years ago that she just she just broke that outside oh so this is the indoor version of it and then she broke yeah yeah but yeah so i just was interested in how how that decision is made now what when you talk to her about her training how much of her training is just running and how much of her training is like strength and conditioning does she do pliometrics does she because she's got to not just run she's got to jump over things yeah she she runs every day usually i think she runs about 70 or 80 miles a week when she's training and so it'll be about, you know, 10 miles a day, split up a couple times.

[776] And then she'll lift, I believe, three times a week.

[777] And so we lift it together, too.

[778] And it's just, you know, yeah, I mean, she's, she's strong, definitely strong.

[779] Oh, you have to be.

[780] You could see it in her legs, like in the fact that she's able to get over those hurdles while she's in the middle of this crazy runner.

[781] Yeah, yeah.

[782] Well, a 430 mile fast.

[783] There's something also so crazy about your goal in life, like what you do, the thing that you concentrate on the most is your physical body like you're banking on this you're banking on your tissue who is humans yeah any human that does that whether you're a fighter or a baseball player or a runner there's something crazy about banking on your body you know like I always when I look at professional athletes in particular I'm always like ooh like boy anything can go wrong and then it takes forever to fix it's not like you blow out a tire you go to the car shop and you go to the tire place you get a new tire yeah a knee.

[784] That's been the only secret to any success I've had is that longevity.

[785] Yeah.

[786] Because there's a lot of people who've been better than me for short span.

[787] But if you can just keep doing it.

[788] Keep grinding.

[789] Keep grinding.

[790] Keep hammering.

[791] I don't care what it is.

[792] You're going to get good.

[793] Yeah, that is the case.

[794] How do you avoid injuries?

[795] Because you train so much.

[796] I don't, I mean, I get massage and, um.

[797] You do those Norma Tech boots.

[798] Yeah.

[799] I got those.

[800] yeah thank you thank you those you sent those to me yeah the shit yeah the uh hypervolt the hammer with the ball on it that massage yeah yeah do that with uh eric comes over about three times a week you know you trained with eric too and goes through breaks down my hamstrings and calves and and hips especially so dude i had a lady that was giving me a massage and uh i had a theragon and uh i wound up just having her just used the theragon like she was giving me a massage didn't it was great and everything but there was just like one spot in my back and i was like just try this for a second and that worked yeah man like half the massage session was just her jackhammering me just working me with that and it was more effective than anything because you could do something with those things where you can push all the weight in like a massage but it's doing something that you're not going to be able to do with your hands right there's a girl who does my massager names aaron she is so amazing i mean i can say something that's bothering me. She can go, like, fill my leg, go right to it and just feel it.

[801] She just knows where the knots are.

[802] And then she'll do something else on some other side or some other place.

[803] And it's like, I've never, I've had a lot of massages.

[804] Definitely there's, just like we say, there's levels to everything.

[805] She's amazing.

[806] I mean.

[807] Some people just understand bodies.

[808] They're intuitive.

[809] Like, they know where you're tight, when you have strain.

[810] Like, did you pull your hamstring?

[811] Did you do this?

[812] Yeah.

[813] Like, do you have something going on with your back?

[814] Like, what do you mean?

[815] This side is tight, so it's probably, you're probably compensating for something that's on the other side, then you...

[816] Yeah.

[817] So, I mean, the only way you're going to, over, you know, 10, 20, 30 years to continue to do it is for maintenance, is taking care of your body.

[818] You say it is tissue, it is muscle, it is, have joints and ligaments.

[819] If those, something happens with those, you're training...

[820] You never even had any operations, have you?

[821] That's bananas.

[822] No. I've had a bunch.

[823] Mm -hmm.

[824] I'm amazed.

[825] Well.

[826] How are your knees okay?

[827] That's the other thing.

[828] How do you fuck are your knees okay?

[829] I don't know.

[830] People ask me that all time.

[831] I was like, how do you answer that?

[832] I mean, have you gotten an MRI?

[833] You don't have any meniscus problems, nothing?

[834] That's bananas.

[835] No, I mean, it's...

[836] You're my age.

[837] You've been running forever.

[838] You don't have any meniscus.

[839] I have all fucked up meniscus.

[840] But you also did a sport that was hard on your knees.

[841] Yeah.

[842] But running isn't?

[843] You know, everybody's different.

[844] Yeah.

[845] I mean, maybe I have a good.

[846] genetics yeah you obviously must yeah yeah I was pretty good with my right knee until like I heard it in a kicking contest with Joe Schilling I tore my meniscus like a year ago like a moron at the old studio yeah kicking that thing yeah yeah the registers how hard you yeah you did it then with with jeans on I remember seeing the video yeah nowhere on 52 years old slamming into that thing full clip as hard as I can yeah but that That's a problem when something shows you a number.

[847] Yeah.

[848] Oh, I know.

[849] It's a measurable.

[850] And you just wind up.

[851] It's a measurable.

[852] But to wind up like that, if I was coaching someone, it'd say, stop, you got to warm up.

[853] Let's jump rope.

[854] Let's get a sweat.

[855] Let's get going.

[856] Stretch out a little bit.

[857] Let's start slow.

[858] Like when I work out on a normal day, I never, I don't just walk up to a heavy bag and full blast start kicking it.

[859] I build up.

[860] But you can't have a contest with Joe showing and say, hold on.

[861] Let me warm up first.

[862] Exactly.

[863] He's too much of a hard man. we had to step up yeah and tear your knee yeah my knee's still fucked up I mean it's not fucked up to the point where I can't do things like I can still kick yeah I can still run I can still do all those things but I feel it where I didn't used to feel it before but that's why I'm amazed that you don't have any of these kind of injuries no I don't know I remember you had a fucked up foot at one point in time oh I have a I mean there's injuries there's being hurt and being injured you know I heard all the time I hurt every day but I haven't been injured.

[864] Yeah, that's the difference.

[865] Yeah.

[866] I mean, it's, I don't know.

[867] Are you taking CBD at all?

[868] Yeah, sometimes.

[869] Dude, I was getting arthritis in my toes.

[870] Yeah.

[871] And did it help?

[872] My big toes.

[873] Yeah.

[874] My big toes, like at the joint where my foot meets my big toe, it was very annoying.

[875] Yeah.

[876] And it's from kicking, you know, just from, because you're always like pushing off.

[877] Oh, right.

[878] Pushing off.

[879] and my my toes just got so tired of me doing that and they were getting sore and then uh i started doubling and tripling down on CBD particularly like CBD gummies that's my new trick because it's it's like I'm eating candy oh those uh CBD MD Gummies are like 1 ,500 milligrams I just chuck like fucking 10 of them down at a time do they have the THC in them no no zero zero high at all but it killed it like whatever like I was like god damn am I going to have to get some i was thinking i was going to have to get prp or something done to my my yeah and that helped it killed it i don't have any problem with it all now it's whatever it was it was gone away dave fully told me the same thing dave fully told me he was getting serious arthritis in his hands where his hands were like this he couldn't open up his fingers started taking CBD on a daily basis and then now his hands are fully functional like whatever it was he stopped in his tracks it's just inflammation yeah right hmm yeah i saw Well, when Trump and Biden get here, you're going to do the DMT question, right?

[880] Oh, well, I'm going to get high first.

[881] Both of them are going to get high.

[882] We're going to do mushrooms.

[883] I'm going to bring in a shaman.

[884] There was that Babylon B that I showed you today.

[885] They did have a thing that said, like, Trump was on here for an epic seven -hour interview with Rogan and said had the best marijuana possibly he's ever had.

[886] It was like tremendous.

[887] You know how Trump has these things.

[888] But, yeah, it was so funny.

[889] Amazing.

[890] amazing pot can you imagine getting that guy high I don't he doesn't even drink does he I don't think oh this is it yeah see that's the picture that's a great picture it is but what was a caption Jamie can you find that what did it say oh my god it's hilarious yeah lively seven hour interview with Joe Rogan imagine yeah imagine how many votes he would win if he did that well I bet a lot I bet he'd lose a lot too yeah he'd be like what is happening you need some more of that I'll have I don't know What some more coffee There might be a little bit We can get some more Okay Put the order in Yeah that guy He's not he's not taking anything But perhaps a few uppers To help put speeches You see with the Biden thing He Trump said he wanted to do a drug test Before debates Really?

[891] Yeah No What does he think Biden's on?

[892] Oh they got him Hopped up on something Really?

[893] Yeah If you're that tired Yeah I guarantee you They're doing something with them He, him talking, oh my God, it's just, it's painful.

[894] I mean, it's like, I feel embarrassed.

[895] Yeah, it's sad.

[896] It's sad.

[897] And then there's the tremendous pressure that's involved in that job.

[898] Yeah.

[899] I couldn't imagine.

[900] I mean, not being at your best.

[901] No. That's what I've always, I mean, I've always been, I just don't get how there's these people have been in politics for 50 years.

[902] And I'm like, okay, good job.

[903] Thank you.

[904] You did it.

[905] You served whoever.

[906] but isn't there somebody better I mean smarter younger like more energized why do we have these 80 year old guys I don't know it doesn't make any sense I mean there's got there's got to be people who are just like on the top of their game you can't be at the top of your game and you're 80 you got to wonder like what it is what it is with the powers of B that decided to go with him did they think that he's a known a known name a former vice president so that That brings them to it.

[907] But there was obviously some shenanigans because they were really worried about Bernie Sanders taking the nomination.

[908] They were really worried that he was going to enact some radical change to the Democratic Party.

[909] And they were not looking forward to that at all.

[910] So, you know, they stepped in, got Mayor Pete and Amy Klobuchar and all those other people to back out to back down.

[911] And then all the delegates went to Biden.

[912] And then Biden winds up being the guy.

[913] And you almost feel bad for the guy.

[914] Yeah, I mean, that can't be our best option for running.

[915] I mean, so whoever wins, you want to feel confident.

[916] Yeah.

[917] And I know people on the other side of where I am don't feel confident than Trump.

[918] I think they're banking on Harris.

[919] They're banking on people saying, well, she's young and healthy.

[920] She'll take over.

[921] She is young.

[922] I mean, so it goes to that point of being young and, you know, energetic.

[923] But, yeah, I mean, she's kept a lot of people in jail.

[924] Yeah.

[925] No. I don't know.

[926] I, man, politics.

[927] What a mess.

[928] It's gross.

[929] It's gross.

[930] And I don't know what the best way to do it is.

[931] You know, I think our founding fathers had some pretty brilliant ideas.

[932] How were they so dialed in so long ago?

[933] It's amazing.

[934] To note they write this Constitution not to protect, not to protect the government from the people from the government from overstepping.

[935] How did they know?

[936] I mean, maybe because it was the king and queen.

[937] Yeah, I think they saw just, I mean, people had an understanding of psychology back then, of just human beings and just the natural tendency of people to abuse power and to abuse influence.

[938] And I think they just came out with a really brilliant way to sort of have checks and balances to keep that from getting completely out of hand.

[939] Yeah.

[940] It's amazing.

[941] It really is amazing if you stop and think about that, you know.

[942] And how old does some, there's this.

[943] young man Madison Cawthorne he has I think he's like the I don't know I can't remember what seat he won but one of the youngest ever went an election I think it's in North Carolina but he mentioned something about the age of man who was Jefferson yeah like how old were they well people didn't live that long I know but they got like toothaches died right wasn't were they in their 20s I wonder let's let's Google how old was Thomas Jefferson when he drafted the Declaration of Independence?

[944] How old do you think is?

[945] It's close to 40, I believe.

[946] Close to 40.

[947] Still pretty amazing.

[948] Yeah.

[949] Or maybe you know, maybe.

[950] What if you go back and you actually look at him?

[951] He looks exactly like Jared Kushner.

[952] Wait.

[953] Everybody does.

[954] It's him.

[955] An age in 1776, Thomas Jefferson was 33.

[956] Wow.

[957] So young.

[958] And fucking smartest shit.

[959] Yeah.

[960] I mean, I think some of the guys were in their 20s.

[961] 40, 53, 46, 39, 35, 70 years old.

[962] Who's seven?

[963] Five, uh, Benjamin Franklin.

[964] Wow.

[965] Oh, shit.

[966] He had to be eating wild game meat.

[967] Yeah, for sure.

[968] It's a 30 -year -old.

[969] Well, he got electrocuted a bunch of times, right?

[970] 26.

[971] He had a kite.

[972] He was a lawyer.

[973] Who was 26?

[974] Jared Kushner.

[975] Thomas Lynch Jr. from South Carolina.

[976] Okay, see?

[977] He died three years later.

[978] He died three years later.

[979] Yeah, the stress of coming up with that fucking information.

[980] No, a 26 -year -old from South Carolina.

[981] Carolina, lawyer plantation owner.

[982] No, he had COVID.

[983] Edward Rutledge.

[984] Wow.

[985] Well, no, they're counting his death as COVID, guaranteed.

[986] Yeah, it is really amazing at how smart they were.

[987] But, you know, when you read, like, letters from, like, the Civil War era, if you read letters back home, like, the way people wrote back then was so eloquent.

[988] At least the ones that you, obviously, there's probably some morons that wrote some fucking scribbles too.

[989] But there were some letters that were written back then where the prose is so, it's so elegant, it's so well written, so, so beautifully crafted these, these letters that they would write.

[990] I know.

[991] You get to read them.

[992] You go, well, what has happened between then and now?

[993] I'd like to get letters like that.

[994] I mean, that would be, you'd feel special.

[995] If you had a letter like that, God, I know.

[996] The way they communicated back then was just different.

[997] Do you think people would have spiced up how they wrote just in case?

[998] someone they'd nope it wasn't going to be personal correspondence they wouldn't want people think they're dumb so they'd add in some they'd like spice it up but the problem is when a dummy writes things and tries to make them seem smart have you ever gotten an email from someone that's dumb that tries to be smart they just would have someone else write it for them back then like hey i can't write this but write a letter to my girlfriend make it sound good yeah tell her i miss her send it off perhaps i'm just why i'm wondering because people do that now yeah yeah they do they have ghost riders done it back then they're a little more we're a little more diabolical now I wonder if there was like a market for ghost writers back then, for letters back home.

[999] Had to be, because there's only so many people that could write.

[1000] I don't know about that.

[1001] I don't know.

[1002] I'm just saying, I don't know about that.

[1003] Or even the access to the tools to write and...

[1004] What a quill?

[1005] Feather?

[1006] To make it look good.

[1007] I wonder.

[1008] I don't know.

[1009] Just wondered.

[1010] Yeah, I mean, I think people were, it was a harder time.

[1011] And during harder times, people are more disciplined.

[1012] And people that are more disciplined probably are more, there are more, there are harder on their children about learning and grades.

[1013] It probably wasn't so flippant because it's like the consequences of not succeeding in life back then were literal starvation.

[1014] It was a different time.

[1015] And I think when you have those consequences, you have, you develop stronger people.

[1016] You develop people with, they just, they don't have any room for error.

[1017] There's no, you can't, you can't fuck off.

[1018] No. You won't make it.

[1019] No, I know.

[1020] It's, yeah, pretty amazing to think that we're still going, by the doctrine they came up with.

[1021] Amazing.

[1022] And it's the best one we have.

[1023] Like, no one's come up with a better doctrine.

[1024] Where is your pocket?

[1025] Didn't Tim Kennedy give you a pocket?

[1026] It's at home.

[1027] I have it framed.

[1028] You don't have it with you?

[1029] No, it's what is it in my pocket?

[1030] It's going to get like dumb on it and shit.

[1031] You need to reference it.

[1032] It'll get scratched up.

[1033] A pen will leak on it.

[1034] I can't have that.

[1035] Okay.

[1036] I thought that was a good gift and he gave you a gun.

[1037] That's cool.

[1038] Yeah, Jamie's been shooting everybody.

[1039] It's all he does now.

[1040] Well, that's what people with guns do.

[1041] That's what I've been hearing.

[1042] Joe Biden's going to put a stop that oh my god well he was watching some video where he was talking about making um gun manufacturers responsible for shootings it was the weirdest analogy that he was drawing and and then he went on and erroneously said that uh guns kill 150 million people a year and it was like what yeah that's or 150 million people since a certain amount of time that doesn't make any sense at all but the thing that he was saying was that imagine if drug companies weren't responsible for people dying of drugs well Hey, Joe, they're not.

[1043] Yeah.

[1044] I don't know if you know that.

[1045] But they're not.

[1046] I mean, do you know how many people die every year from drug overdoses?

[1047] I don't.

[1048] How many, a lot.

[1049] How many people are going to jail for that?

[1050] Is there any?

[1051] Nobody.

[1052] Are these drug companies really responsible for that?

[1053] Are they really being held accountable?

[1054] Yeah, I don't think they are.

[1055] Occasionally.

[1056] Maybe the street dealer's going to jail.

[1057] Yeah.

[1058] Well, occasionally drug companies get in trouble.

[1059] You know, like for opioid deaths or for misrepresenting the dangerous.

[1060] of the addictions to opioids or some of their drugs that's true sometimes they get fined yeah and they get in trouble but what he was saying was really weird it's like people say things just because they think that people want to hear solutions like hey there's all these guns and shooting someone better do something you know and then someone will come along and say something like that like guns are responsible for a hundred and fifty million people every year and here's what i'm going to do yeah yeah yeah i know do you remember when he got uh confronted by that guy at a at an auto factory doing that yeah yeah and the guy was like you're trying to take away guns he cuss him out you're full of shit yeah he cussed him out you got old grandpa on him well that's a problem with with you know how so when you get old you know I'm not I don't want to talk shit about old people but you can't think you're just not at your best so what happens what I see and maybe he has dementia maybe not but those guys get they're cranky they get mad they can't think of what they want to say fast enough, so instead they just get mad.

[1061] Yeah.

[1062] And that's what it seems like he does.

[1063] Yeah.

[1064] He like lashes out and it comes up.

[1065] You're full of shit.

[1066] Yeah.

[1067] Well, I think you also...

[1068] Dogface pony soldier.

[1069] Did you see that one?

[1070] Yeah, that was a good one too.

[1071] What is?

[1072] I don't even know what that is.

[1073] You're a lion dog face pony soldier.

[1074] That's a great thing to say to someone.

[1075] If I, the first time I've ever heard it.

[1076] It should be a good band.

[1077] Yeah.

[1078] Dog face pony soldier.

[1079] That would be a good band.

[1080] Good name for a band.

[1081] Like a weird funk band.

[1082] Yeah.

[1083] Dog face pony soldier.

[1084] I like it.

[1085] I can see them in Coachella.

[1086] It's a thing that, you know, when he gets mad like that, too, it's almost like it's a tough guy thing, too.

[1087] It's like he's around all these hard men that are working in the factory and he's like, you're full of shit.

[1088] I'll show you guys.

[1089] I'm a fucking man. It reminded me of Floyd Mayweather and he knocked out Victor Ortiz when they were kissing or whatever they did.

[1090] But Jim Gray.

[1091] Kissing.

[1092] Well.

[1093] Victor Ortiz's headbutton.

[1094] them.

[1095] I know, but then they made, then they made up.

[1096] No, Victor Ortiz went to make up with Floyd Mayweather.

[1097] They did.

[1098] Floyd Mayweather was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, boom.

[1099] Yeah, but it wasn't Jim Gray.

[1100] It was, it was an older, God, what's his name?

[1101] Larry Merchant?

[1102] Yes, Larry Merchant.

[1103] And Larry Merchant said that if he was 50 years younger, he'd kick Floyd's ass.

[1104] Oh, I remember that, yeah.

[1105] I was like, okay, no, you wouldn't have.

[1106] No, you wouldn't have.

[1107] But it reminded me if he got mad and then he was just going to kick his ass but what a crazy thing to say to literally one of the greatest boxers that's ever put on gloves yeah i mean you can make an argument of who the greatest boxer of all time is but you better have floyd mayweather in that argument he's going to be in there and probably if you're holding a microphone you probably weren't ever going to kick his ass what's up with the uh mayweather fighting logan paul you see yes yes well Logan paul wants to make some money.

[1108] Well, one thing I will tell you, Logan Paul is a really good athlete and he's an enormous man. Now, if it was an MMA fight, I would pick Logan Paul.

[1109] Well, Logan...

[1110] Listen to me. There's a video of Logan Paul wrestling with Paulo Costa.

[1111] It's a real live wrestling, like live wrestling sparring session where he is exhibiting real skill.

[1112] He knows how to scramble.

[1113] he's got real wrestling skill and I know he wrestled in high school I think he wrestling in college as well Oh did he?

[1114] Okay No didn't just in high school But he was good though right Did he go to college?

[1115] Went to OU He didn't wrestle The biggest party school in the country I just parted So he's from Ohio right That's why you know Ohio That's why I know yeah He knows everything Ohio How good was he in high school I remember hearing I don't know if he won state But I'll check that real quick Either way Yeah him with Paula Costa Paulo is the UFC's number one contender in the Middle East Division.

[1116] And the most beautiful man in the UFC.

[1117] Perfect specimen of a man. And a wrecking machine.

[1118] Just a fucking wrecking machine.

[1119] And the two of those guys are, they're doing a wrestling drill and sparring.

[1120] And Logan Paul is hanging in there, man, with an elite MMA world championship caliber fighter.

[1121] A guy who went to war with Yowell Romero and walked him down.

[1122] Right.

[1123] I mean, Paul Costa is.

[1124] a monster.

[1125] He's a monster.

[1126] And Logan Paul is hanging in there.

[1127] I don't care what anybody says.

[1128] Like what I saw in that, I'm like, that kid is impressive.

[1129] No, he's got to be 6 -1.

[1130] He might actually did, let's see one.

[1131] He joined the wrestling team.

[1132] This says Ohio State in Athens, which is not just OU.

[1133] So he might have joined the team.

[1134] I don't know if he had a record if he performed with them or if he just trained.

[1135] Okay, so he did a little bit of wrestling in college, but he wrestled in high school as well.

[1136] Yeah.

[1137] Either way.

[1138] He's a big dude.

[1139] He's a big dude and he's a real athlete and one of the things that I saw you know I know he lost his boxing match they had to draw the first time that he lost the second time but when I'm seeing him throw punches like he's very athletic he throws punches with good technique you know but obviously the other kid that he boxed with did as well but there's such a difference between that and Floyd mayweather in a boxing match it's going to be hilarious yeah the only thing is that Floyd is so much smaller than him yeah he's got to be compared to Logan tiny that's why I said I got the one's a big guy I got the one I got the One punch, Logan, K .O. Oh, my God.

[1140] That's so hilarious.

[1141] Could you imagine if he did?

[1142] Could you imagine if he clips Floyd Mayweather in a temple and see Floyd Mayweather do a chicken dance?

[1143] Imagine what the crowd would do?

[1144] Imagine what anybody would do.

[1145] Would be a crowd?

[1146] Yeah.

[1147] I wonder when they're going to be able to have it.

[1148] Let's do it in China or some shit.

[1149] Fuck it.

[1150] I don't know.

[1151] I'm just pretty impressed with how Logan Paul has, for a young kid has made so much.

[1152] much money.

[1153] Yeah, just talking a lot of shit.

[1154] And turn these, these opportunities to fight Floyd?

[1155] What?

[1156] I know.

[1157] But the thing about it is like, who's going to sanction that?

[1158] The weight classes are so different.

[1159] Yeah.

[1160] Floyd is.

[1161] It could be 50 pounds different.

[1162] It could be 50 pounds plus.

[1163] Yeah.

[1164] It could be more.

[1165] I don't, I don't think Floyd walks around at more than 155 pounds.

[1166] Probably not.

[1167] Maybe 160 at the most.

[1168] Yeah.

[1169] You know, and when he's in shape, you know.

[1170] less than that probably but here's a crazy thing i'll watch the shit out of that i'll watch shit out of it too i mean everybody will what we were talking about mike tyson versus roy jones junior yeah like a lot of people like what it what are we doing what is happening here yeah i like the fact that they decided not to do it september 12th so it already would have happened yeah they decided to extend it deep into november give everybody a chance to like really train and ramp up the promotion and let everybody know and and it's more and more exciting every day roy jones jr was posting some shit on his instagram yeah dude he's still got some hand speed yeah see if you could find that and he he's coming in here soon see if i was looking for logan paul wrestling coast and all i'm finding them is like play sparring yeah there's a little bit of boxing play sparring but there's a bunch of wrestling scrambling in there that's really impressive not in the video i saw and it's on his vlog i'm telling you it's real i know i know i'm looking you have to do another retraction no no no just looking like i may have to i apologize i lied about Logan Paul wrestling Just doing it in advance Do it for everything Yeah Just in case That fight is going to be One of the most ridiculous things ever though If you can get a YouTube star To box The literal best boxer Of the last hundred years Never lost Yeah 50 and O So Yeah but back it up before that Yeah let them scramble The jujitsu train Okay so this is just Jiu Jitsu training They're rolling around the mat but they do some scrambles See, I don't know how much Logan is trained you doze But watch the wrestling Watch this though, seriously The kid can wrestle Like, come on, they're not showing it?

[1171] What kind of hoarse shit is this?

[1172] Is this because they want them to look good?

[1173] I don't know.

[1174] Oh, God damn it, I know it's there.

[1175] Hey, what about the full?

[1176] Oh, no. What do we got?

[1177] Come on, show me some shit.

[1178] That's it?

[1179] Well, it exists It's somewhere Hmm So they did a lot of sparring Like boxing sparring for sure Yeah This is just showing Let it go right here Let's see what happens here Come on Logan Show me some wrestling bro It's amazing that Paul Cross it can make 185 pounds That's amazing The dude walks around at 2 .30 and he's a tank I mean Yeah He could be a heavy way.

[1180] It's like to be close to the same way class, I guess.

[1181] At least there.

[1182] Close, similar.

[1183] Is he six two?

[1184] I swear it's real.

[1185] I swear it's not like the Antifa guys lighting fires in Portland.

[1186] It's real.

[1187] They did the, but they're getting arrested part.

[1188] Maybe I'll find it.

[1189] Yeah.

[1190] No, I don't do that.

[1191] There's videos of him wrestling from like high school.

[1192] Oh, no, he's, there's no videos of him wrestling Polo Costa.

[1193] That video right there was the best I could find.

[1194] Oh, fucking.

[1195] I'm looking in harder, but.

[1196] Son of a bitch.

[1197] Jamie, come on.

[1198] Jamie's punishing me for the Portland thing.

[1199] There's this video of him saying it's getting knocked out, but that was 100 % staged.

[1200] That's 100 % fake.

[1201] Yeah.

[1202] Well, he's smart.

[1203] He's getting a lot of attention.

[1204] I just think he's going to be whiffing at air.

[1205] Oh, yeah.

[1206] How would you ever hit Floyd?

[1207] But if that one connects, that's what I got my money on.

[1208] That would be so bananas.

[1209] I know.

[1210] Imagine Floyd goes 50 and 1 because he gets caoed by Logan Paul.

[1211] He's jacked.

[1212] I mean, he works out hard.

[1213] Yeah.

[1214] Oh, yeah.

[1215] Super nice kid, too.

[1216] He's training with Shannon the Cannon Briggs.

[1217] Is he?

[1218] Shannon the Cannon, at least he was, before that last fight that he did.

[1219] Shannon the Cannon was training with him.

[1220] Yeah.

[1221] Wow.

[1222] And he, he hunts, so that's good.

[1223] Does he?

[1224] Yeah.

[1225] Where's he hunt?

[1226] He hunted in Ohio before.

[1227] What do you?

[1228] Like, white tail?

[1229] Deer, yeah.

[1230] Oh, no kidding.

[1231] Yeah, his dad, because I went and did his podcast, took him a bow and was shot.

[1232] And, yeah, I mean, he's.

[1233] People got upset that you did his podcast.

[1234] hunters yeah that's weird the hunting industry is that's weird first of all for a lot of people that there's a hunting industry yeah yeah there is because that's what social media is done it's created like that's why I'm here him and his brother and I think the dad sharing hunting stories yeah oh yeah interesting you could find that but you can't find the fucking wrestling footage yeah I see I see it's not oh I see it's not how it works I get it Yeah, well, who's going to win Tyson Jones?

[1235] I do not want to say, because I do not know.

[1236] See if you can find Roy Jones Jr. training footage.

[1237] And then...

[1238] He's put up some new stuff, I think, yesterday or the day before.

[1239] That's pretty legit.

[1240] And then, you know, what we're going to get?

[1241] We're going to get Tyson, Logan, Paul.

[1242] Oh, my God.

[1243] That would be a murder.

[1244] Murder scene.

[1245] It's three days ago, I think.

[1246] he still got hand speed but he's still got the same style like hands down yeah look dude he looks fast it's fucked up yeah he does yeah I mean I wonder what he's gonna weigh I mean god damn dude yeah his hand speed is phenomenal yeah that's always his thing has been speed right not just hand speed but foot speed as well Roy's always been he's had a weird style when he was young which is one of the reasons why when he slowed down it was very difficult for him to be successful because Roy would, instead of jab people, he would leap in with a left hook.

[1247] Yeah.

[1248] He had a crazy left hook, man. Like a hook, kind of like a weird hook.

[1249] Mm -hmm.

[1250] Yeah, and he used that in lieu of a jab sometimes, like a lot of times.

[1251] Mm -hmm.

[1252] And he did crazy shit, like put his hands behind his back and then knock people out.

[1253] Yeah.

[1254] He was so good when he was young.

[1255] People, like that song he made, y 'all must have forgot.

[1256] Yeah.

[1257] A lot of people did forget.

[1258] Yeah, for sure.

[1259] I remember, man, when I was a, you know, younger man and Roy Jones Jr. was in his prime, you would just see who's getting executed this week.

[1260] Yeah.

[1261] And he, one time he had a fight the day he had a full basketball game.

[1262] So he had a full basketball game, played like he played like a semi -pro basketball.

[1263] And then after the basketball game had a fight.

[1264] Wow.

[1265] And won the fight.

[1266] People like, this is disrespectful.

[1267] Like this is the Roy Jones Jr. highlight.

[1268] I mean, come on, son.

[1269] He was so fast.

[1270] Look at this.

[1271] That fight with Vinnie Pazienza.

[1272] That was the only fight that CompuBox ever scored where there was no punches landed on Roy for an entire round.

[1273] Really?

[1274] Yeah.

[1275] He had a weird body, man. God, look at that.

[1276] Incredible.

[1277] But look how weird his body is like he has enormous biceps.

[1278] Like his biceps were huge, but he didn't have big triceps.

[1279] Oh.

[1280] He had a really unusual build.

[1281] Look, look at his biceps.

[1282] Bro, his biceps are bananas.

[1283] They're bananas.

[1284] And he had just preposterous speed.

[1285] timing and confidence and everything.

[1286] Oh, yeah.

[1287] Look at this guy.

[1288] He lit people on fire and pissed on their graves.

[1289] It was just incredible.

[1290] That would be, you know how terrible would be to fight somebody like that?

[1291] Oh man. Well, in his prime, he was so much better than everybody he was fighting.

[1292] It was just this weird.

[1293] And people were like, oh, Roy didn't fight anyone good.

[1294] Like, incorrect.

[1295] They were good.

[1296] They just weren't Roy Jones Jr. Roy Jones Jr. was on.

[1297] a totally different level for years.

[1298] The thing is, like, a fighter can only maintain that kind of RPM, that fucking T!

[1299] RPMs that he was at, you can only maintain that for a certain amount of time.

[1300] Yeah, yeah.

[1301] You know, Fador did it for a long time.

[1302] Anderson Silva did it for a long time.

[1303] The guys who are, like, at the very, very best, they can only hold on to it for a certain amount of years.

[1304] Yeah.

[1305] And then the knees go, the back goes, the joints go, the hands break.

[1306] Things just...

[1307] Yeah.

[1308] Yeah, but isn't it kind of conventional wisdom that the power can stay, though?

[1309] Oh, yeah.

[1310] So that's what, like, with Tyson, I mean, he looks fast there.

[1311] I'll say Jones looks fast.

[1312] I found it for you.

[1313] Oh, here, look at this.

[1314] Look at that.

[1315] Look at that.

[1316] Look at that.

[1317] Look at that.

[1318] Dude, but look at the scrambles, man. The kid can fucking wrestle.

[1319] Like, seriously, legit.

[1320] Oh, man. Look at these scrambles.

[1321] Like, watch this.

[1322] See that turnaround, that duck under?

[1323] Look at this.

[1324] And Paulo Costa is a beast, dude.

[1325] Jeez.

[1326] Just the scramble, the way he's spinning around and avoiding the take.

[1327] down that's athletic yes very a thank you Jamie okay thank you I knew it was real now find me some Antifa guys light and forest fires and we're good he's he's a real athlete yeah and he's a big kid yeah yeah but Floyd may well that was impressive very impressive so it was an MMA fight Floyd would be fucked yeah he would get takedown and smashed for sure 100 % bet the house yeah but it's not an MMA fight it's a boxing match and Floyd's the best of all time one time good luck one punch get out of here with that shit I just wonder if Roy Jones Jr. is going to be able to avoid Mike Tyson's the bum rush and avoid that style of that marauding, attacking style.

[1328] Because obviously when you see the Tyson training footage, he's still got that speed.

[1329] Yeah.

[1330] He still got that power.

[1331] He hits those myths.

[1332] It's still terrifying.

[1333] You know, I don't, I just, I don't want to see him get hit by those Tyson hooks.

[1334] If it's going to be, I mean, if that happens, it'll be in the first minute or two.

[1335] the weird thing is like some people are saying that it's not a fight they're like saying well it's just going to be a sparring match like you better tell that to Tyson because no i'll tell the story that i was telling you yeah this new studio there's a certain distance this uh this table's a certain width and this is the exact same with i don't remember what it is i don't remember how many inches it is but this is the exact same width of the old table the old studio yeah but when we moved to this new place, I'm like, maybe it'd be better if it was like a little more intimate.

[1336] I have a table that's like a little smaller.

[1337] And then I did the interview with Tyson.

[1338] Yeah.

[1339] And he was so, see, I had two interviews with Tyson.

[1340] One from like 11 months ago or 10 months ago where he was like smoking weed.

[1341] He's opening a ranch.

[1342] He's got this weed ranch.

[1343] He's like super chill.

[1344] And he's introspective and philosophical.

[1345] And he's talking about his past and all his mistakes and how weed makes him a nicer person.

[1346] He likes himself on weed.

[1347] And you felt comfortable.

[1348] comfortable at that distance.

[1349] Oh my god, it was great.

[1350] It was perfect conversation.

[1351] I really enjoyed it.

[1352] And then the next time was when he's fit and slimmed down.

[1353] Dude, you know these weird muscles that you have at the top of the form?

[1354] It's like he had a golf ball shoved under his skin.

[1355] He just like jacked and ready to go.

[1356] Different mindset then.

[1357] He felt different to be around, man. He was so keyed up.

[1358] I mean, he's in the middle of training camp.

[1359] Yeah.

[1360] And he was just super intense.

[1361] Different person.

[1362] And then we started talking about how it felt orgasmic to hurt people sometimes.

[1363] And I'm like, I think I need a wider table.

[1364] And Trump sent that out.

[1365] Yeah, Trump put that on his Twitter with no comment, no context, just posted that about Mike Tyson saying that's interesting.

[1366] But what?

[1367] How can what?

[1368] Imagine you're the leader of the free world.

[1369] Yeah.

[1370] And you go posting shit about how it feels like you want to come when you're beating people up.

[1371] it's Mike Tyson talking about it too and he's like I like it I'm gonna repost this yeah yeah but so that made me decide to widen this table because if I was a little closer to him so intense I might be nervous it might affect my ability to do the conversation a couple inches yeah yes what is it six extra inches Jamie that we widened the table yeah directly because of Mike Tyson interview I was like yikes so yeah so he's I think they call that the eye of the tiger yeah oh yeah the eye of the tiger he's ready he's ready oh man but the thing is like what what happens if roy can move away from him what happens if roy could avoid avoid the attack and how are they going to treat this are they are they going to treat it like a sparring session or are they going to treat it like war that's what originally the reports were saying it was not going to be a full out fight but i don't if tyson's looking that intimidation intimidating Can he scale it back?

[1372] I don't even think he knows what that means.

[1373] What does that mean?

[1374] I don't know.

[1375] I just, I can't imagine he's going to scale it back.

[1376] Yeah.

[1377] And Roy Jones Jr. was saying something recently, he thinks he might have made a mistake.

[1378] Yeah, I would think that too.

[1379] Yeah, but I don't know if he's being serious.

[1380] He probably watched the interview with Tyson 11 months ago and thought that, oh, I'll fight this guy.

[1381] This guy's cool.

[1382] If you watched this recent one, that's when he thought, I think I made a mistake.

[1383] Maybe.

[1384] But the fact that he would say that, I can't imagine he's being serious or unless he wants to make a lot of money and he's like you know it's the it'll make isn't it crazy how tyson he can make money for how long has it been you know his 85 is when he first broke in so how many years is this i know i mean it's been it's been a fucking while and he's still tyson i think the last time he fought was in the i want to say the early 2000s like 2005 maybe i can't i just know when he first came up is like 85 because i was I think I was a junior or senior or something like that.

[1385] But, yeah, 35 years ago.

[1386] I remember when he was on the cover of Sports Illustrated, he was 19 years old, said Kid Dynamite.

[1387] Yeah.

[1388] And it was him at 19 years old, the most exciting heavyweight prospect.

[1389] Yeah.

[1390] And Tyson would fight, it was an event.

[1391] It was an execution.

[1392] Yeah.

[1393] You'd watch people get executed.

[1394] Yeah.

[1395] I remember I watched the fight where he lost to Buster Douglas after I knew the result.

[1396] Oh.

[1397] And I still didn't believe it.

[1398] I was like, he's going to get up.

[1399] He's going to knock him out.

[1400] Like this is Mike Tyson He can't lose I was at some duplex And I remember him When he was On his hands and knees Looking for his mouthpiece I was like What is going on The world has gone crazy It's gone haywire Yeah It didn't seem real No That was crazy No he I can't imagine He's gonna dial it back Mm -mm See if you could find Roy's exact statement When he said He thinks he made a mistake Because that to me is like Huh Or is he selling it?

[1401] Right.

[1402] Is he selling it?

[1403] Yeah.

[1404] I don't know.

[1405] I don't know.

[1406] Roy's smart.

[1407] He's a great commentator.

[1408] He's one of the best commentators in the game.

[1409] I met him one time.

[1410] Me, you, him, and.

[1411] In Vegas, after fights.

[1412] We were eating steak.

[1413] Yeah.

[1414] That was, I think that was at Mandalay Bay.

[1415] Is that the place, that steakhouse, we always go?

[1416] That's the one of the MGM.

[1417] Did we eat there?

[1418] I think we ate the one at Mandalay Bay, if I remember correctly.

[1419] Yeah.

[1420] but uh yeah but he's been fighting much more recently roy jones on mike tyson exhibition match i made a mistake going in with him tyson is still one the strongest most explosive people who ever touched a boxing glove jones said i mean they got biden's performance for that what does it say here he said he's still mike tyson still one of the strongest most explosive people who ever touched a box glove if anything i made a mistake going in with him he's the bigger guy he's the explosive guy he said he's going to have all the first round fireworks, not me. I do have first -round fireworks, but he's known for more first -round fireworks than anybody to ever touch boxing other than maybe George Foreman.

[1421] Jones Apprehension Files remarks Tyson made last month where he called the match a search and destroy.

[1422] Oh, Jesus Christ!

[1423] Oh, Jesus Christ!

[1424] You imagine you're at home.

[1425] Look, I'm just going to check Twitter before I go to bed.

[1426] Yeah, you see that?

[1427] Search and destroy.

[1428] Jason says, this is search and destroy, and I'm looking forward to recapturing my glory Tyson told TMZ Sports the fighting game is what I'm about and hurting people is what I'm about oh my God yeah it's so interesting for me to see like Jamie and I talked about it right after Tyson left yeah Jamie was like okay that was a different person like from the from 11 months ago you mean yeah yeah everything everything everything he wasn't ready to fight back then and then all of a sudden yeah yeah he was yeah everything he just been saying the last five minutes but intense.

[1429] He was saying to us during the podcast the first time, he's like, I don't even work out.

[1430] He goes, if I work out, I'll reignite my ego.

[1431] He goes, I don't want to do that.

[1432] Yes.

[1433] And then one of the quotes that he said in this comeback, he said, the gods of war have reignited my ego.

[1434] God.

[1435] The gods of war.

[1436] What a fucking terrifying human.

[1437] What I remember is seeing some of those clips of him punching lately with all that power is his legs.

[1438] Yeah.

[1439] I mean, you know, that's where the power, I saw his, his quads or his hamstring, just the size of his legs.

[1440] I'm like, God, that's a thick kid.

[1441] Yeah.

[1442] Brindon Shab thick.

[1443] He's still got it.

[1444] He still got it.

[1445] Whatever it is.

[1446] It's crazy.

[1447] Yeah.

[1448] Yeah.

[1449] He still got it.

[1450] Well, I don't know.

[1451] Should be fun to watch.

[1452] There's a thing about, like, having that skill when you're young, as long as a body doesn't fall apart, as long as the shoulders still work right.

[1453] and the back's not completely blown out like especially if and I don't know what the deal is with TRT and growth hormone and all that stuff but if he still if he knows how to move his body and he learned how to move his body in a way very few human beings can do the way he has that that shell that that guard where he comes in that peekaboo style just bob it and weave it and throwing fucking bombs like that is in his makeup well it's like you kicking yeah It's like you with your, what it's a spinning back kid?

[1454] Yeah, all that shit.

[1455] Yeah, it's like you've done it since you were 15.

[1456] Yeah, so he's done the same thing.

[1457] So no matter what your body does, if you're stronger because of the TRT or whatever else, that's, that technique isn't going anywhere.

[1458] Yeah, your mind still knows how to do it.

[1459] I remember there was a video, look at this.

[1460] Mike Tyson gets more ramp with each intense training video.

[1461] Dude, this is a while ago, though.

[1462] This is a while ago.

[1463] He's way more jacked than this now.

[1464] Yeah.

[1465] That's what's crazy.

[1466] Like, he, this was months and months and months ago.

[1467] So this is September, it says, right here.

[1468] So here we go, September 17th.

[1469] It's not playing this video, so I was trying to hope it would just get on the rest.

[1470] Oh, here goes.

[1471] Oh, this is just a bunch of.

[1472] I heard this one now.

[1473] This is where I saw, look at his legs, dude.

[1474] Yeah.

[1475] No, he's exploding.

[1476] And it's also, he's an unstoppable force.

[1477] Oh, my God.

[1478] It's an unstoppable force.

[1479] Still got it.

[1480] Yeah.

[1481] It's the thing about him is you got to stop.

[1482] stop him from coming.

[1483] And you can't.

[1484] Do you ever see the most terrifying Mike Tyson fight for me is Marvis Frazier?

[1485] Did you ever see that fight?

[1486] I'm sure I did.

[1487] Marvis Frazier, who was Joe Frazier's son.

[1488] Yeah.

[1489] And there was all this shit talk leading up to this fight where Joe Frazier was like, my son's going to fuck you up.

[1490] And he's like, mm -hmm, okay.

[1491] You know, and there was this intensity because, you know, a lot of people had kind of compared Tyson in many ways to Frazier because they were both fairly short heavyweights.

[1492] They both had that sort of bobbing and weaving style.

[1493] Look how intense that is.

[1494] And the guy who's training him is Hafeo Cordero, who's a, that's King's MMA in Huntington Beach.

[1495] Hafeil Cordero is a legendary MMA coach, which is really interesting that he's the guy who's training Mike Tyson because...

[1496] Well, see that quote right there?

[1497] Look inside my soul and how bad I want it.

[1498] If Tyson's like, look inside...

[1499] You don't want that.

[1500] Look at his forearm.

[1501] See that what I'm talking about?

[1502] The muscles on his forearm?

[1503] Bro.

[1504] When he said, that's, that muscle is from this.

[1505] That's from clenching and something.

[1506] smashing.

[1507] Or you're doing chin -ups and shit.

[1508] But that's like the fist muscle.

[1509] Dude, fucking terrifying.

[1510] He's so terrifying.

[1511] Yeah.

[1512] But Hafeel Cordero, the guy who's training him, which is really interesting.

[1513] He's not necessarily known as a boxing trainer.

[1514] He's a Muay trainer.

[1515] Obviously, trained Anderson Silva, trained a lot of the Kuritiba guys, the shoot -de -box guys, like Maricio Shogun, who, uh, Ninja, who, like, Van der Le -Salva.

[1516] some of the all -time great MMA legends of the pioneers.

[1517] He was one of the trainers for those guys, like a main trainer for a lot of those guys.

[1518] I wonder why he went with him.

[1519] I think they just started out like hitting paths together.

[1520] Oh.

[1521] You know?

[1522] I think he just likes the guy and he started hitting paths together and he likes what he was bringing to the table.

[1523] Yeah.

[1524] I always wonder what would happen if, was it Cuss?

[1525] Custamano.

[1526] If he wouldn't have died.

[1527] Oh, yeah.

[1528] We'd be a different world.

[1529] I mean, because that's what kind of got Tyson, And then he was with Don King and that whole thing and unhealthy lifestyle.

[1530] But when he was with Custamato, it was like, it was just, you know, singular vision of.

[1531] Yeah, he probably would have been even greater than he was.

[1532] He probably would have maintained it much longer than he was that he did.

[1533] Yeah, I mean, Cuss probably would have kept him up in the Catskills.

[1534] Pulled him away from all the bullshit.

[1535] That's what I'm thinking.

[1536] Yeah, well, he just, we talked about it a bit, but what an amazing father figure Cuss was.

[1537] But we also talked about how Cuss hypnotized him.

[1538] Really?

[1539] Oh, yeah, man. When he was young, Cuss hypnotized him.

[1540] And that was part of his ability to, like, seek and destroy, is that Cuss told him things like, you don't exist.

[1541] Just the task.

[1542] The task exists.

[1543] You know, that there's a man in front of you.

[1544] You're breaking that man down.

[1545] That's the task.

[1546] You don't exist.

[1547] Like, crazy shit like that.

[1548] You're telling that to a 13 -year -old.

[1549] And then you have the perfect storm of this 13 -year -old is incredibly physically gifted.

[1550] Right?

[1551] He was 13 years old.

[1552] He weighed 190.

[1553] pounds and Teddy Atlas told me he would bring him to these smokers a smoker is like an amateur boxing event that they would do in boxing gyms right and he'd bring him to these smokers and everybody would lie like how many fights this guy have oh he's only had two fights yeah kids had like 30 fights right and so they'd bring Tyson he goes how old is the kid he goes he's 13 he was like that fucking kid is not 13 he's like okay he's 16 yeah how old do you want him to be yeah and he goes okay 16 year old farm he just smashed this poor guy right but he was 13 He was just smashing people.

[1554] Yeah.

[1555] It was the first thing that he ever did that got him real love and attention and accepted.

[1556] First thing he ever did were people like, you're special.

[1557] There's something to you.

[1558] And then he has this guy in Custamato who's a legend in boxing, one of the most respected, legendary trainers in boxing.

[1559] He had trained Jose Torres, Floyd Patterson.

[1560] There he is.

[1561] And he's giving this kid information and talking to this kid about what he can accomplish and what he could be.

[1562] incredible yeah i mean look at that yeah that was when he was full jack dempsey mode yeah that was when he was 19 he was awesome man yeah i just think uh i would not want to be in there with him no i just definitely not me but i mean if i was a body heavyweight boxer who's like anywhere near his age i just i don't i don't want none of that i wonder how we do like if he came back in shape i wonder how he'd do like against tyson fury the real problem is he He's, no matter what you do, he's still 54.

[1563] Yeah.

[1564] No matter what you do.

[1565] But those guys don't go.

[1566] Listen, listen, yes, they do.

[1567] They do.

[1568] They go hard.

[1569] Oh, fuck, yeah, they're hard.

[1570] Tyson Fury is six foot nine.

[1571] I know, I know.

[1572] He's huge.

[1573] Mike Tyson is pretty close to my size.

[1574] Okay?

[1575] Yeah, yeah.

[1576] When I stand next to him, it's not, we're not like in a different universe.

[1577] Tyson Fury is in a different universe in me. When I met him, I'm like, hello, giant.

[1578] Like, he's a giant.

[1579] And he's a big giant Like Deontay Wilder's a giant too But he's slender Deontay Wilder doesn't weigh much more than me Which is crazy Dude when he fought Tyson Fury the first time And he dropped him twice He weighed 209 Wow 209 Wow and he's six Six nine something crazy like that Six seven He's huge But he's a preposterous power puncher He's preposterous Yeah 40 knockouts or something Yeah like he knocked out everybody Except one dude and Tyson Fury yeah in the last fight and then well in both fights you know in the last fight he got stopped by Tyson Fury I love Tyson's Fury story though too it's amazing I mean yeah what a comeback yeah the fact that yeah yeah the fact that he was like literally accelerating his Ferrari towards a bridge they kill himself yeah yeah and then decided not to and just was like really fucked up dude boxing by itself just just that just getting hit in the head it's not good for your brain no it's just not and then you have cocaine and booze and chaos and fame and all those things that came after he beat Vladimir Klitschko.

[1580] Yeah.

[1581] And he didn't just beat Vladimir Klitsko.

[1582] He humiliated him.

[1583] He mocked him.

[1584] He taunted him.

[1585] He outboxed him.

[1586] He's such a good boxer.

[1587] He sang in the ring horrible songs.

[1588] Oh, God.

[1589] Yeah.

[1590] I mean, he's so...

[1591] He's so good.

[1592] He's so good, yeah.

[1593] I mean, technique -wise.

[1594] Yeah.

[1595] It's amazing.

[1596] Well, and then coming back and, um, you...

[1597] using that guy from Kronk.

[1598] Sugar Hill, right?

[1599] That's his trainer for the last fight?

[1600] I believe that's the gentleman from Kronk.

[1601] Kronk was Emmanuel Stewart's gym, which created Tommy Hearns and Gerald McClellan and all these fucking assassins.

[1602] And they had this real aggressive attacking style.

[1603] And he took on that style for the second fight with Diante.

[1604] So he came after him, which...

[1605] Yes, Sugar Hill.

[1606] Sugar Hill, Stewart.

[1607] And he...

[1608] Is that Emmanuel's son?

[1609] I don't know.

[1610] I don't know that.

[1611] But that would be amazing if it was.

[1612] Yeah.

[1613] I mean, but he had a different style.

[1614] He came after Deonté.

[1615] Yeah.

[1616] And he realized that Deonti does not fight as well going back.

[1617] Right.

[1618] But Deontay hits dudes in like the top of the head and puts him to sleep.

[1619] I know.

[1620] He hits guys and it's like, what happened?

[1621] Like they got shot with a sniper rifle.

[1622] Crazy.

[1623] Such big humans.

[1624] Like, you know, thinking of it now, you're right.

[1625] I mean, giants.

[1626] Giants.

[1627] Giants with skill, though.

[1628] Tyson's so big.

[1629] Tyson Fury, he's so huge.

[1630] Yeah.

[1631] All right.

[1632] So I'll go Logan Paul, Mike Tyson, if they both win.

[1633] You imagine they set that up.

[1634] Listen, that's a real thing that could happen.

[1635] It's not if they both win, because Logan's not going to win.

[1636] He's not going to win.

[1637] Dude, the one punt.

[1638] I can't imagine that happening.

[1639] I'm not a gambling man per se, but I would be willing to bet a million dollars that he's not going to knock out Floyd Mayweather.

[1640] I'd be like, I just can't imagine a world where that takes place.

[1641] Yeah.

[1642] It could happen.

[1643] Don't get me wrong.

[1644] It could happen.

[1645] Yeah, it's a fight game.

[1646] It would be the weirdest moment in all of boxing if Logan Paul connects with a big punch and knocks Floyd Mayweather out.

[1647] Oh, God.

[1648] It'd be, it'd be horrible.

[1649] In a lot of ways, in a lot of ways, it would be amazing.

[1650] It would be both horrible and amazing.

[1651] Yeah.

[1652] It's his nephew.

[1653] With you, okay.

[1654] So, you know, they devise a perfect strategy, Sugar Hill and Tyson Fury in the rematch.

[1655] But then there's going to be another fight in December.

[1656] So they're fighting again.

[1657] The third fight is going to be in December.

[1658] Who?

[1659] Wait.

[1660] Deonté Wilder and Tyson Fury.

[1661] Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1662] Yeah.

[1663] Right.

[1664] Yeah.

[1665] It's weird watching these fights with no audience, too.

[1666] Yeah.

[1667] It's weird.

[1668] How do you, I mean, do you like doing UFC with no?

[1669] I do like it.

[1670] Yeah.

[1671] I don't not like it.

[1672] I do like it.

[1673] Yeah.

[1674] The thing about it that's really strong.

[1675] is you hear everything.

[1676] You hear the grunt.

[1677] You hear deep breaths.

[1678] You hear shit talk.

[1679] You hear corners, coaching, like really clearly.

[1680] You know, like, you know, 3 -5, 3 -5.

[1681] Like, look for the left.

[1682] Move to the side.

[1683] Stay away from his right leg.

[1684] Like, all these things.

[1685] Get out of kicking range.

[1686] Like, you hear things that you don't necessarily hear unless those guys are miced up.

[1687] And we, you know, sometimes occasionally when there's a live crowd, we'll tune into those people.

[1688] Like you have, you tune into them.

[1689] And then, you know, the coach.

[1690] There'll be a camera on them and will listen to the corner while they're giving instructions.

[1691] But it's not most of the time.

[1692] It's just occasionally.

[1693] But during these big fights with no audience, you hear everything the coaches are saying, everything.

[1694] Yeah.

[1695] They have this date in December locked up for the Vegas new football stadium only because they're hoping to have fans there for it.

[1696] So I don't know how many, but it lines up with the NFL schedule so the venues open.

[1697] How is that possible?

[1698] Do you think they were hoping to have 15 ,000, I think?

[1699] So it'd be definitely distanced in there.

[1700] I don't know how, though.

[1701] Yeah, because the stadium probably holds.

[1702] Probably close to 80, 90.

[1703] Yeah.

[1704] So they'd be all spread out.

[1705] How weird.

[1706] I know.

[1707] But, I mean, would you want to go there?

[1708] 15 ,000 people, coughing?

[1709] There's a football game last night in Cleveland.

[1710] There's 6 ,000 people there, and they still had a fight in the stands.

[1711] You know what?

[1712] People get drunk, they can watch football.

[1713] That's what they want to do.

[1714] They're going to go to Vegas.

[1715] They're going to party.

[1716] They're going to be crazy.

[1717] Hey, Cleveland won.

[1718] They did.

[1719] They pulled out.

[1720] Hopes that fans be able to attend.

[1721] Yeah, maybe.

[1722] Well, at a certain point in time, I believe...

[1723] It's after the election.

[1724] So it would be over.

[1725] Yeah, after the election, it's all going to be fine, unless there's riots.

[1726] Who knows what's going to happen after the election?

[1727] I mean, the world could be filled with chaos after the election.

[1728] Man, I don't know.

[1729] Where are the fights this weekend?

[1730] They are taking place in Vegas.

[1731] This is at the Apex Center.

[1732] And then next weekend is Fight Island.

[1733] So the next few fights are at Fight Island But this one's at the APEC center Which is an awesome place for fights It's awesome The acoustics are amazing The way they have it set up is amazing You know And the UFC, kudos to the UFC For doing the right job Doing the best job they can They test the shit out of everybody Everybody wears masks Yeah, there it is Fight Night What's the card?

[1734] Let me see the card I know Cowboys on the card against Nico Price that is a tough fight and that dude comes that I don't how you say his last name Chamev he's a beast that kid is a beast Yeah That's an interesting fight Very confident Mm -hmm But Gerald Mirchart Has got a lot of experience man Yeah lots of fights You know Look at that 44 fights Forty four fights Johnny Walker and Ryan Span Mm -hmm Oh McKinzy Dern Kevin Holland Darren Stewart.

[1735] This is good fights.

[1736] Mackenzie Duren.

[1737] Yeah, good fights.

[1738] Who do you got in the headliner?

[1739] Colby.

[1740] It's a, it's, listen, Tyron Woodley is one of the greatest welterweights of all time.

[1741] There's no doubt about it.

[1742] But his last two fights have not been his best.

[1743] Yeah.

[1744] He lost two decisions in a row, but he also lost two decisions in a row to a guy in Camaro Usman, who I think is one of the greatest of all time.

[1745] I think Usman is just an unstoppable beast and you saw what he's the only guy to be able shut down colby yeah that's how good kamar usman is shut him down and outlasted him and then wanted to beating colby up and the final round broke his jaw stopped him um but if tyron woodley can regain the the form that he had when he beat darren till the form that he had we knocked out robbie lawler the form that he had when he was at the top of his game you know he gives everybody problems yeah but the question is like, what has been going on?

[1746] Is it just that he's meeting some of the best guys ever, like in Gilbert Burns, who's elite?

[1747] Gilbert Burns is elite.

[1748] Yeah.

[1749] And Camaro Usman is elite.

[1750] But you can make an argument that he's lost 10 rounds in a row, the last 10 rounds in a row, which is incredible.

[1751] If you think about before that fight, if you go back to before the fight with Camaro Usman, if someone told you Tyron Woodley before this fight is going to lose 10 rounds in a row, you'd be like, get the fuck out of here.

[1752] He's a destroyer.

[1753] Tyrone Woodley's a destroyer.

[1754] It's sometimes fighters, they have peaks and valleys, and sometimes they return better and stronger than ever, and sometimes it's the start of a downward slide.

[1755] And Colby is a real test to find out where he's at because there's going to be a lot of emotions coming into this fight.

[1756] And Tyron, for sure, is the bigger puncher, for sure.

[1757] Tyron is a legit one -punch knockout artist.

[1758] But Colby has a third lung.

[1759] He's got a crazy gas tank.

[1760] Yeah.

[1761] And it's, you can't just take him out.

[1762] You've got to beat him down.

[1763] Like, Usman beat him down.

[1764] And even then, he was protesting the stoppage with a jaw literally snapped in half, blood pouring out of his mouth and pissed that they stopped the fight.

[1765] He's a tough kid.

[1766] He's a fucking animal.

[1767] Yeah.

[1768] He's a fucking animal.

[1769] And he's an animal that wants the belt, you know, and he wants to get back in there with Usma.

[1770] And the striking looked pretty good in that fight.

[1771] Pretty fucking good.

[1772] And so we know he's a wrestler.

[1773] He's got, like, I think, the most takedowns right now.

[1774] of anybody active well he he has a crazy pace yeah you know we were talking about michael kiesa you were saying that michael kiesa said you can't just have a good camp has to be your best camp ever yeah if you're fighting colby you you better pack a fucking lunch yeah yeah he's he's got a pace that's just hard to believe man right and that's that's uh woodley's kryptonite in some ways it has been woodley's kryptonite it certainly was in the usmond fight but you know the thing about Woodley is, at least in those camps and in these moments in the past, he has had personal problems.

[1775] He's had career issues.

[1776] He's had distractions.

[1777] Like he was starting a rap career.

[1778] He was involved in a lot of other things that when, I think when a fighter is at their best, they're of a singular mission.

[1779] And that singular mission is like to seek and destroy and to just train and to just fight.

[1780] I think everything else on top of that, you can do it.

[1781] You can do it.

[1782] Maybe you'll be successful.

[1783] Maybe you win by knockout.

[1784] Maybe you'll maybe you're just better.

[1785] But maybe not.

[1786] Maybe you'll sap just a little bit of you and maybe maybe those exchanges where you could come out on top, you don't.

[1787] Right.

[1788] The other guy comes out on top and then you drop down a little bit and then you don't have the recovery because you haven't trained as hard as maybe you could have or the distractions have kept you from just being completely focused and centered on your game.

[1789] Yeah.

[1790] I think that you saw that with Ronda Rousey.

[1791] As Ronda Rousey got more and more more distractions, there was movie scripts, and there was television shows, there was all these different things that came to her.

[1792] And at the end of the day, there was also Holly Holm, who was the best striker she ever faced, and Holly stopped her.

[1793] And it changed the whole game.

[1794] Well, the thing about Colby Covington is that all that motherfucker does is train and talk shit.

[1795] He trains and talks shit and makes videos.

[1796] Yeah.

[1797] Makes videos with...

[1798] with girls with girls in their bikinis and he's talking shit in those videos too he's wearing a maga hat and there's so much emotions when you're fighting him but that's the only time he's not training yeah i mean he he is so focused on training and getting to be the best i mean you know him well let's tell people yeah you've trained with him multiple you've run together you've done he's trained at your gym yeah he has and he's just a hard -working kid he's got the best attitude the most respectful guy, you know, it's what he does on camera is a whole different thing.

[1799] But when he's there to train, that's all he cares about.

[1800] And that's what he does every single day.

[1801] It's like he's obsessed with being the best.

[1802] And it's, it's tough to, you know, when you're at your prime and you're as good as he is, we talked about talent.

[1803] And then also you train and you eliminate those distractions.

[1804] It's a, that's a package.

[1805] Yeah.

[1806] And I think that training with you also, when, you know, Mount Pisca.

[1807] Pigska.

[1808] How do you say that?

[1809] Piska.

[1810] Why has it got a P -I -S -G -A -H?

[1811] P -I -S -G -A -H.

[1812] How's that P -S -G -A -H?

[1813] Yeah.

[1814] But this should be a G -I -S -G -A -H.

[1815] Yeah, but how do you say it?

[1816] You're not saying it with a G. Pisca.

[1817] Yeah.

[1818] I thought you were saying Piscca.

[1819] Say it again.

[1820] Maybe I do.

[1821] Pisca.

[1822] Yeah, see?

[1823] There's no G in there.

[1824] Whatever.

[1825] You're not saying the G. It's just like people who say Oregon.

[1826] It's Oregon.

[1827] Oregon.

[1828] So, but gun, good, and still G. Okay.

[1829] This guy, that's a K in there.

[1830] I'm just saying that when you're from there, you just say, okay.

[1831] I get it.

[1832] But when he runs that with you and he realizes, like, while there's levels to endurance, there's levels to cardio, I mean, that has got to help him.

[1833] I mean, the guy, your age, you're so much older than him, and you're, like, way outpacing him when you guys are running together.

[1834] Like, that's got to let him know, like, Jesus Christ, like, as much as you think you're pushing it, the grind never stops.

[1835] Yeah.

[1836] And someone like you who does that grind.

[1837] every fucking day you get to this level of endurance and people that think they're in good shape like i talked to a bunch of the sorenx guys that went running with you yeah like yeah i thought i was in pretty good shape yeah it's just it's different but yeah colby is always has been known as versus cardio so he does really well but he'll he'll admit too that i mean i'm only doing that so i'm not hitting paths i'm not wrestling so it's like it's easy for me to focus on on endurance but he does say that so it has opened his eyes he said to there is another level and that's where he's been obsessed with Giddy.

[1838] Yeah, the other level of endurance and conditioning has always been this place where people reach and then realize it.

[1839] I remember Tito Ortiz fought Frank Shamrock.

[1840] This was back when Tito Ortiz was at the top, before he was really at the top of his game.

[1841] Training a big bear?

[1842] I think he was training a big bear.

[1843] I don't know if he was training a big bear back then because this was the fight where Frank Shamrock outworked him.

[1844] And Frank Shamrock wound up beating him down and stopping him.

[1845] Oh, okay.

[1846] And when it happened, Tito became this cardio monster afterwards and focused on cardio.

[1847] It was a great lesson.

[1848] He realized like, wow, like I fell apart because I got exhausted.

[1849] And before he was able to smash these people because he's this really big, strong kid.

[1850] He was a very good wrestler, just tough as fuck, and he's ready to scrap.

[1851] And he wound up running into a guy.

[1852] guy in shamrock that was trained better was smarter was just had a better game plan it was an insane cardio and frank just outworked him and and wound up stopping him and then tito became this guy who realized like oh cardio's everything right cardios and okay i remember kendall grove who uh was a great fighter from hawai i remember still around um he trained with tito on the ultimate fighter and then said to me he goes dude it open my eyes he goes cardio is everything Cardio is everything.

[1853] And you realize that these guys that have a certain amount of conditioning, they have a certain amount of ability.

[1854] If you add extreme cardio, then the other guy gets tired and you don't.

[1855] And when you see someone tired and you're not tired, it's amazing.

[1856] It's amazing that feeling.

[1857] You're like, ah, what's up?

[1858] It's got to feel good.

[1859] Oh, it feels amazing.

[1860] And just saying, fatigue makes cowards of us all.

[1861] Yep.

[1862] You know, so as a fighter, when you're fresh, you could be a whole different fighter than when you're tired.

[1863] All of a sudden, being choked out wouldn't be that bad.

[1864] Let me get out of here.

[1865] Yep, yep.

[1866] And that is what happens, too.

[1867] Your brain starts looking for ways out.

[1868] You know, you give up your back.

[1869] You give up an arm.

[1870] You know, like you see guys getting mounted and you see them like literally reach up and they're kind of giving an arm.

[1871] Yeah.

[1872] They're just so tired.

[1873] They're like, take my neck.

[1874] And that's what, that's a big thing to me, the difference in the fight is I, Colby was tired as a fifth round he was beat up he never gave up that's true but neither did tyrant you got to realize tyrant fought Gilbert Burns Gilbert Burns put a beat on him in the first round Tyron never looked for a way out he kept trying to win that fight yeah Gilbert was a step ahead of him and Gilbert wound up winning basically every round but tyrant never looked for a way out did you think that I felt like he didn't he sort of gave up against oosman I don't think he gave up I think that's all he had I think that's all he had didn't look like I he was doing shit in that fight well i think first of all he's trying to stay alive because usman put a beating on him i think it was one round i think it was the fourth round he unloaded this horrific combination on him and i talked to usman about it and he was like i was trying to take him out yeah it was then i realized he wasn't going anywhere i was like oh shit i've been tired my gas take out yeah yeah but you know i think tyrant's trying to win with everything he had but i don't think he had enough that day and i talked to him about that fight afterwards and he said that wasn't me because I wasn't there anybody who knows me knows that that wasn't me yeah but so so how do you do do you go to a fight and that's not you you know what we talked about about distractions and about all these different things and you know it's it's hard being a professional prize fighter is one of the most difficult things that anybody could do in athletics I couldn't I mean I'm sitting on the couch talking shit I don't but you're not sitting on the couch you do difficult things I mean you've done the moab 240 you've run 240 fucking miles in the mountains you know what difficult things are the thing about fighting is that you're you're getting hit and someone is hitting you the thing there's there's battles and so maybe as difficult if not more difficult the battles that play out in your own mind when you're running for three days in the mountains yeah but there's something about people hitting you and about knowing that this guy like when you're sparring say and you realize that a guy is faster than you.

[1875] They're like, oh, okay.

[1876] Like, I'm trying to do this and I'm getting cracked as I'm coming at his timing's better and you have to readdress and you're constantly thinking.

[1877] Yeah.

[1878] It's a crazy management battle because you're estimating what you can do and you're calculating what you need to, like you need to faint your way in.

[1879] You need to redirect or misdirect.

[1880] You're trying to figure it out.

[1881] So it's draining.

[1882] It's exhausting.

[1883] And then you're getting bang, then you're getting dinged up.

[1884] And you're trying to win, but you just don't have it.

[1885] Right.

[1886] You know, and that's what I saw with Tyrone Woodley.

[1887] I never saw any quit.

[1888] There was no quit because he could have quit.

[1889] He could have found a way out.

[1890] He's a champion.

[1891] Yeah.

[1892] He could have found a way out in either one of those fights.

[1893] The thing about this Colby Covington fight is, you got to be ready.

[1894] You got to be ready.

[1895] And if he's ready, and if we're getting the Tyron Woodley that knocked out Robbie Lawler, if we're getting the Tyrone Woodley that stopped Carlos Condi, we're getting the real Tyron Woodley.

[1896] If we're getting that guy, it's going to be an interesting fight because they fucking hate each other.

[1897] they fucking hate each other and tyrant does not want to lose three fights in a row no no and colby says he's expecting the best tyron woodley and he calls him tyrone yeah tyrone woodley you pussyed out this should have been you all that shit this is your ass kicking yeah why'd you let this man take this ass beating for you yeah i mean it's gonna be so he's expecting the best yeah and he says he says he's gonna end the fight when he if and when he wins a title I want to get him in here, in here.

[1898] I want him to tell the story of why he created his character, because it's a really interesting story.

[1899] Because if you talk to Colby outside the Octagon, like you said, he's a very respectful dude.

[1900] He's really smart and nice, and he's very smart.

[1901] He's, like, he's there.

[1902] Like, he's a very articulate, like, really engaging person.

[1903] He's charismatic.

[1904] But what he realized was he was about to get cut.

[1905] And the UFC, just they were literally telling him, Like, we don't like your style.

[1906] We don't like the way you're fighting.

[1907] We're going to cut you.

[1908] So he goes to Brazil.

[1909] He's fighting Damien Maian, in Brazil, and he starts talking bad shit.

[1910] Yeah.

[1911] He calls him a bunch of filthy animals and said the place is a dump.

[1912] And everybody goes nuts.

[1913] And he wins.

[1914] And he was after he beat up.

[1915] I mean, he said it on the mic afterwards.

[1916] Yeah.

[1917] After he won.

[1918] Yeah.

[1919] And beat, I don't, Maya's never been beat up like that, has he?

[1920] Um, Tyron beat him up pretty bad.

[1921] And Gilbert Burns knocked him out.

[1922] his last fight.

[1923] But Damien Ma is 41, I think.

[1924] You know, he's one of the greatest jujitsu artists that's ever competed in MMA.

[1925] There it is.

[1926] Look at that.

[1927] Is this right now?

[1928] Yeah, early today.

[1929] Oh, shit.

[1930] Look how focused.

[1931] Colby looks.

[1932] God damn.

[1933] He's so focused.

[1934] Oh.

[1935] Ooh.

[1936] Oh.

[1937] This is intense.

[1938] This is intense.

[1939] That's, that's.

[1940] Looks good.

[1941] Tyrant is a show on that says legalized being black.

[1942] What?

[1943] It's illegal.

[1944] Did you know?

[1945] Colby looked good there, didn't you?

[1946] Yeah, he looks really, really intense.

[1947] Yeah.

[1948] It's hard to see if Tyrant's intense because he's got glasses on.

[1949] He's wearing sunglasses.

[1950] It's a crazy fight, man. It's a crazy fight.

[1951] But yeah, Colby in Brazil knew.

[1952] They said, what he says is UFC said they were going to cut him, win or lose.

[1953] Yeah.

[1954] And so he made that.

[1955] He started talking crazy shit.

[1956] Everybody went nuts and then a lot of eyes on him.

[1957] And they're like, you like what you're doing.

[1958] So they basically, it was a career saving move that turned him into a star.

[1959] And out of nowhere, look, I talked to him before that.

[1960] He was not that guy.

[1961] Before that, he was just a guy who was training and fighting and doing really well.

[1962] Well, that's who he still is.

[1963] And he had a great style.

[1964] I mean, his style was that style of like really high pace.

[1965] Yeah.

[1966] Stays on people.

[1967] He only had one loss previous to the Camaro Ousper.

[1968] on fight and that was a fight that he took with a fucked up rib yeah he was hurt yeah needed money needed the cash which is this the the life of a young up -and -coming prize fighter yeah but uh he's special he's not you know he tricks people with the cheap suits and the maga hat yeah and all that trash talk like this is a that is a facade but the thing is that makes it harder like to talk all that shit and then go and fight pressure on yourself yeah people want you to lose man you put And he's good at it.

[1969] He's good at dealing with that.

[1970] And I've heard stories about him back in college wrestling, and he still had that confidence where he'd be wrestling and talking to the crowd.

[1971] That's amazing.

[1972] Yeah, while he's wrestling during the match against, you know, best wrestlers in the country.

[1973] I mean, well, there's something about that that distracts the opponent, too.

[1974] You know, people do that.

[1975] Like Floyd Mayweather does a lot of that in sports.

[1976] Yeah.

[1977] James Tony was famous for that.

[1978] James Tony, who was like, without a doubt, one of the best defensive boxers of his era.

[1979] He was an amazing boxer.

[1980] And James Tony would talk mad shit during fights.

[1981] That's it, bitch.

[1982] So you got bitch.

[1983] This is it, bitch?

[1984] So you got bitch.

[1985] And then you popped you with a jab and hook you.

[1986] Come on, bitch.

[1987] Come on, bitch.

[1988] You ain't got shit.

[1989] You ain't got shit.

[1990] Pop, pop, pop.

[1991] He got shit.

[1992] Pop, pop.

[1993] Yeah.

[1994] And he did that in sparring.

[1995] There's, see, Google, James Tony talking shit during sparring.

[1996] It was legendary.

[1997] People would go to wildcard gym just to watch James Tony box and talk shit to people.

[1998] Wow.

[1999] And he would get like world championship caliber fighters and like, come on bitch, let's spar, bitch.

[2000] He would like take guys that maybe he would fight in the future.

[2001] You know, like he didn't care.

[2002] He was like, come on, get in here.

[2003] And he had that like shoulder roll style.

[2004] Kind of like Floyd.

[2005] Yeah, but he's thick, you know, he's a big thick dude.

[2006] So get up in here and get on top of guys and push him up against the rope and talk shit and hook him.

[2007] That'd be rough.

[2008] His fight with Roy Jones Jr. It was when they were both in their prime, and James Tony was a destroyer.

[2009] And Roy Jones Jr. just was too fast, too slick.

[2010] See, if you could hear this, can we hear some of this?

[2011] He just talks shit.

[2012] Oh, that's Danny Green, who is a world -class fighter.

[2013] I don't know where the shit talking is, but...

[2014] God damn, James Tony looks good here.

[2015] Look how big he is.

[2016] I don't know if there's shit talking in this or if it's just like regular boxing sparring But Danny Green I believe when these guys sparred Danny Green was the top contender Rogan made this video famous 12 years ago I was talking about six months ago It says 12 years after I uploaded it Oh that's hilarious That's good That's hilarious Well I made it famous again I love watching boxing sparring matches.

[2017] I love, I love, I love, I love, like, watching anything.

[2018] Here's.

[2019] Said you're scared to get hit, you're European.

[2020] Yeah.

[2021] Oh, God.

[2022] See, that fucks with people's heads.

[2023] Yeah, definitely.

[2024] Then you take a stiff jab.

[2025] Yeah.

[2026] He's talking shit to, ooh.

[2027] Come on.

[2028] Oh, God, those punches are stout.

[2029] Yeah, well, he was just, he was fantastic at like these like really tight like in close combat fights of like giving you his shoulder and pop you with short hooks and turning angles on you he was just super skillful he just wasn't the most disciplined guy yeah so like a lot of times he would show up for fights he didn't have big camps he brought it up because it was uh radio rahim he filmed those oh that's right that's what that was that's right um he also fought in the ufc he fought randy kotour yeah i remember that randy kotr just hit him with a low ankle and took him down mounted him i think he arm i think he arm triangled him i think he got him in a head an arm choke but isn't that so i mean you said you like watching training yeah like i mean that's how you you watched me shooting when you first wanted to have me on the on the podcast years ago so what is it about it's like watching people put in work for uh for discipline is that what you're is you like to see is that what everybody likes to see i get inspired by greatness but people that are great at anything even great at the shit that I don't ever want to do like if I see a guy play the harp it's fucking awesome man I get fired up yeah me too I just love watching people put in work I think there's something that's an incredible resource that we have today with videos whether it's YouTube videos or any kind of video on Instagram or what have you where you can watch them and you get you get fired up like that's a boundless resource you know you need discipline to get things done in this life but inspiration's nice yeah it's nice give you a little extra juice you won't get there without discipline yeah like if you only trained when you're inspired fuck good luck you're not gonna you're not gonna get fat yeah that's right you need discipline but inspiration's nice yeah it's nice to have there's something about it to me um i just take advantage of it i think it's a it's an amazing resource so whether it's watching a guy like you shoot and watching your dedication and your training footage and all that stuff.

[2030] Like, I love the fact you're always putting the Sorenix Lab on on Instagram and you do those long videos where you and, who's in there with you?

[2031] Is it Eric the trainer dude?

[2032] No, that's Eric.

[2033] Nick the trainer dude.

[2034] Eric McCormick is outlaw strength.

[2035] Outlaw strength, that's right.

[2036] But that you do it with these guys and you have these, you bring people in the train with you and you have these.

[2037] It just, I need to know that other people are working.

[2038] Yeah.

[2039] I like it.

[2040] I want to see it.

[2041] I want to see motion.

[2042] It makes me want to put my fucking shoes.

[2043] on and go it's weird because those videos sometimes they'll get for me is a lot but 200 ,000 views on just lifting yeah crazy but so people aren't unlike you I mean they want that too they love it those Goggins videos I put a Goggins video on my page of the day got two million views yeah because it's just him talking shit about himself yeah which is what's hilarious he's talking shit about his own like lack of motivation is that or he said he videoed himself being a bitch yeah he was a sound like a straight bitch god i love that guy stay hard i love that guy how could he not make somebody want to work harder i mean you are gonna work harder than you were gonna work out for sure you're not gonna probably work out as hard as him but you're gonna work out harder than you would of knowing that there's dudes like that out there yeah i think that's what that's what people need to realize and i think you provide that as well because people have this idea of how hard they're working and it's usually grossly inflated yeah you know most most people they don't have the experience of driving themselves on a daily basis to excellence they kind of put in some work and then they pat themselves on the back they think they did a good job right even guys who kind of work out kind of hard like i'm pucking in there hustling are you are you really let me show you some videos bro here's here's yeah here's my friend that gets up at three in the morning and runs a marathon before work well every place i've went this year it's like um to a crowd where i haven't been around they've talked about truett doing pull -ups that's your son it's hilarious they'll be like so now uh did he do chin -ups too and pull -ups and switch around i'm like nope just just pull -ups so push -ups do you do any nope just just pull -ups and that pull -ups are so hard and how many pull -ups did he do he did 4100 in 24 hours yeah 17 hours like 35 minutes.

[2044] 4 ,100 pull -ups.

[2045] Yeah, yeah.

[2046] That's a lot of pull -ups.

[2047] His motivating factor was Goggins.

[2048] I mean, he was all about Gaggans.

[2049] Gagin's previous world record was 4 ,032.

[2050] And so I just told him, I said, well, you know, we look up to Gagins is like a god to us.

[2051] You know, I mean, he's so such a badass and just knowing him is an honor.

[2052] But I said, well, if that's the goal to beat Gagins, you also have to beat his time.

[2053] Otherwise, what's a point?

[2054] So he was able to do that, and it was all about just trying to live up to the example Goggins said, and he got it done.

[2055] But a lot of people bring that up.

[2056] The Gagons pull -up, like what Gagin's record was for pull -ups, how did he calculate it out?

[2057] Did he say if I do five every X amount of seconds?

[2058] Five a minute.

[2059] Five a minute.

[2060] You do five a minute.

[2061] There's 60 minutes in an hour.

[2062] There's X -Ry -Rond.

[2063] So you calculated it all out, and he said, as long as I can keep that pace.

[2064] I can do this.

[2065] That's what Truitt was doing.

[2066] He wanted to do five a minute.

[2067] Yeah.

[2068] So then he fell behind a little bit.

[2069] And I was having him get back up on it.

[2070] Because I showed up when he was about maybe 2 ,000 in.

[2071] I flew in.

[2072] And, you know, and he was doing pretty good, but he started to fall behind.

[2073] So then I was getting him back up on that bar.

[2074] And, you know, I'd look at the clock and say, you don't have, you got to get back up there now.

[2075] Let's go.

[2076] Did you play him the scene where Adrian tells Rocky and Rocky?

[2077] And Rocky.

[2078] No, no. Just win.

[2079] The one that Gagins likes is round 14, I think, and when Apollo had Rocky hurt.

[2080] And then Rocky gets up and Apollo had his hands up.

[2081] And then he looks back and Rockies up and Apollo just shakes his head.

[2082] And then he's like, I can't.

[2083] This fucker won't quit.

[2084] So that's what Gagin.

[2085] Gagin's, he replayed that over and over.

[2086] That's amazing.

[2087] Yeah, yeah.

[2088] Isn't that funny?

[2089] But anyway, Gaggans is like, he's so powerful to so many people, including my son.

[2090] So, I mean, it's, it's, um...

[2091] Well, I got to say, you raised two savage sons.

[2092] You did a pretty fucking good job.

[2093] Yeah.

[2094] You really did.

[2095] Thank you.

[2096] You have two amazing sons.

[2097] Yeah.

[2098] Tanner right now is, uh...

[2099] He's a stud.

[2100] Last time I saw him, was like, look at you, man. Yeah.

[2101] I remember when you were young.

[2102] Yeah.

[2103] I know.

[2104] Just a few years ago, he was a, a boy.

[2105] Now is this big savage man. Yeah.

[2106] Yeah.

[2107] He's, uh...

[2108] And he's a ranger.

[2109] Yep.

[2110] He's in the army.

[2111] He's a beast.

[2112] yeah I mean I feel no Tanner and Truitt you should be you should be very proud you did an amazing job and it's your example that you've set and that's a that's a powerful thing it's it's not just powerful because you set that example but you also set an example to them and they will set examples to other people and it's a butterfly effect and it'll pass on you know there's a thing that you're doing that when putting putting out the kind of work that you do and the consistency that you do people know that they can always come to your Instagram page and they're going to get this like consistent message and consistent work ethic and that's very it's it's fuel for people and it's uh it's it's wind it's like wind on the sale it pushes people and you probably have no idea how many countless people you've inspired by doing that thank you yeah it's pretty amazing yeah i mean i i i feel lucky uh just to have the life that i have i mean it's uh you know I don't know I never would have envisioned this coming from where I came from do you also feel motivated because so many people are watching because so many people look up to you yeah I mean I I I'm going to do what I do it's you know you can't fake it for this long I'm going to do what I do but I also know that I'm I got to hold myself accountable because people are paying attention and I want to help them I want to be I want to be like you said that wind in their sale and so I owe it to well I was I think for the most part.

[2113] I feel like I owe it to Roy to give the best I have every day.

[2114] I think about him often.

[2115] Some people don't know who Roy is.

[2116] Yeah, Roy is my hunting partner who got me started in bow hunting back in 1988.

[2117] And he died sheep hunting in 2015.

[2118] And he fell.

[2119] And so it's, you know, I think of the side of a mountain.

[2120] Yeah, I felt, I think about how he lived his life and how tough he was and and how what he meant to me and I just you know so I want to honor him I want to honor his memory and like I always say when I talk about Roy's legends never die and I don't want his legend to die so to me you know it's and I've talked about this before but even I've had a lot of hunting success and it just feels it's it's not quite the same because Roy's not here because I'm not able to share it with him and that was our we'd call and update if we weren't hunting together which We had two amazing hunts his last year right before he fell.

[2121] And it's like, it's a little, it's just different.

[2122] It's not the same.

[2123] And so I do it for him.

[2124] I do it to, I mean, for my life, you know, I feel like I got to give it the best I have.

[2125] And I do it, you know, to hopefully be the wind and people sail.

[2126] And, yeah, I mean.

[2127] We're all connected in this weird way, right?

[2128] That's what's interesting about, uh, social media.

[2129] There's a lot of negative aspects of social media, but there's some positive aspects, too, that are undeniable.

[2130] And one of them is that we all do inspire and motivate each other.

[2131] And whether people inspire and motivate you because they look up to you or because they follow you because they're interested in what you do, or because you look up to them and you see them and you see how hard they're working and it makes you want to get after it.

[2132] We imitate our atmosphere, you know, and if you are following good, positive, people, good supportive, positive people that are out there really putting in work.

[2133] Like, it makes you want to be one of those people.

[2134] Yeah, I think so.

[2135] I mean, that's how it works on me. I do, I tell, you know, we have a mutual friend, Aaron Snyder.

[2136] I do tell him, I miss the days a little bit where he used to talk shit about me because he used to.

[2137] Because it motivates you.

[2138] Yeah, because I'm like, I told him, I texted him, I'm like, God, I miss the days where he used to talk shit.

[2139] I said, I need that.

[2140] I need the old Aaron back.

[2141] now he's super supportive you know and he's like Gaggins tells me that he goes I like shit talking yeah he goes I like the haters because I think about them fucking haters when I get up in the morning yeah because I need those motherfuckers he says that I asked him specifically I asked Gagin specifically about that and about people who don't like him he's like good he goes I like it like that fuck them yeah I mean so you need it's weird it's a weird journey we're on where different things can motivate you at different times but I do some weird way like reading hate sometimes i don't know why well sometimes you need an extra a little bit of gas need to extra a little juice yeah and that sometimes people want to prove people wrong yeah sometimes that's uh that's good yeah and it's also knowing that they're just bitches you're not you know there's something about knowing that there's weak bitches out there in the world like oh look at you look at you cutie i couldn't imagine being one of those guys I could, I could, I could if everything went totally wrong, you know, if you just make bad decisions, you go on bad paths, you got, you got bad friends, you get a bad job, you get a bad girlfriend or a bad wife, bad life, and bad habits.

[2142] It could easily happen.

[2143] Drugs and alcohol and stealing and lying, and next year you know, you hate yourself, and you're 35, and you don't know why.

[2144] You just like wish you were someone different and special, and then you see some guy out there just kick an ass.

[2145] Yeah.

[2146] Fuck him.

[2147] Fuck you loser He's faking it he's doing this like I've heard people say all kinds of crazy shit There's this one dude that I follow He's a martial arts guy People always accusing him of speeding up his videos Oh You know because he's so fast Yeah There's people like that man They just don't want to believe that you And then there's other people that go God damn that guy's fast Yeah I want to work out harder Right And it's on who you are You know Yeah and where you are in life Yeah Find this guy on Instagram Erickson Samuel he's uh he's on uh instagram and he's got these uh crazy videos of him doing kicks see if you could find it and just kick after kick after kick and it's super fast oh my god he's ridiculous yeah he's so it's not sped up right no no no no no haters are saying yeah they're just haters yeah uh er i see okay um there's there's a bunch of really good ones go to the if you look at the grid, go to the second down on the left -hand side.

[2148] Yeah, watch this.

[2149] Oh, this is just him doing a jump -spitting kick.

[2150] But there's some other ones, like the middle one in the top row.

[2151] Go to the middle one in the top row.

[2152] That one there.

[2153] No, it's not.

[2154] It's a bit.

[2155] Watch how fast this motherfucker is.

[2156] So he does a lot of these.

[2157] He's just really talented, really skillful, but he had to do a video addressing people that say that he's speeding up his videos.

[2158] Yeah.

[2159] but that's how it always is these aren't the best videos he's got some other ones in there that are better is he good yeah he's good does he compete uh i don't he's definitely fought in mama i don't know what his record are i just like watching his videos i had some somebody yesterday said they were gonna kill me and skin me like i do the animals interesting yeah with a sweet person they must be a compassionate vegan yeah so that's always fun yeah i wonder yeah i wonder what they would say if they met you people they they get these ideas in their head that a person who hunts or a person who is a meat eater is causing all this terrible harm to the world and that they are a good person and that this person is bad and they're going to threaten that person and then somehow or another that's going to make it all all better or that they're showing you that you know they're there to stand up for the animals and there's a lot of like mentally ill people too yeah there's a lot of that there's also a lot of people that they don't understand the harm they're doing.

[2160] They're not seeing the harm they're doing just by buying vegetables that grow in a monocrop situation.

[2161] You know how much shit gets poisoned?

[2162] Yeah.

[2163] How many animals get ground up when they're using the combines?

[2164] Do you know what kind of damage it does to just an ecosystem when you run a monocrop operation like most of the food that you buy?

[2165] Like human beings cause damage.

[2166] We cause damage.

[2167] I mean, if you're living, you're causing death.

[2168] And you got to think like you personally are causing a small amount of damage.

[2169] Like you personally, for the food that you eat, are causing a small amount of damage.

[2170] But if you stop and think about L .A., like 20 million people, and all the corn and all the soybeans and all the almonds you need for 20 million people, like that adds up.

[2171] And it adds up to devastation.

[2172] It's crazy on wildlife and wildlife displacement and just how unnatural it is to have massive fields of any one particular crop.

[2173] And all the animals that want to eat that stuff that get wiped out and killed and poison bugs and poison worms and all these different things that wind up getting wiped out so much death and then then because i kill a bull elk yeah and and honor every ounce of that meat like it was gold and you know and that's what i always say is people you know americans throw away 40 % of their food did you know that yeah i've heard of that 40 % so part of that's say, consider like gold, and then you got people judging you that are, you know, have a double bacon cheeseburger and they're like, oh, God, I'm stuffed.

[2174] I can't eat another bite, take this away.

[2175] It's like, what are you doing?

[2176] You paid for the death of that cow, and you're so stuffed, you're such a glutton that you're pushing it away and throwing in the garbage, but yet you're judging me?

[2177] Well, people just love to judge people because it's better than looking at themselves.

[2178] Yeah.

[2179] You know, the thing about judging and attacking people online, it's a fun, for people that don't have other hobbies?

[2180] I guess so.

[2181] I mean, that's what, I guess if I had to, if I could, if people could have a purpose, I mean, I just don't think people feel like to have a real purpose in life.

[2182] So that's where, you know, as you know, Bo Honey's given me a purpose.

[2183] It's like, oh, this is what I do.

[2184] So everything revolves around what I do.

[2185] And so it's, I know people don't have, don't feel like they have a purpose.

[2186] That's what I, it'd be nice.

[2187] I think we'd be a lot happier society.

[2188] if people felt like they had, they were here for a reason and had a purpose.

[2189] Yeah.

[2190] And, you know, there's no shortcuts in terms of your growth as a person.

[2191] And when you do have a purpose and you're pursuing that purpose and you realize each step along the way, whether you're improving or whether you need to improve and you've got, you've got a task in front of you.

[2192] And you have this direction and you have this goal in life, this focus.

[2193] It gives you real live feedback on how good you're doing, where you need to improve, how you're growing, where you're failing.

[2194] And some people never get that.

[2195] They don't have that.

[2196] They just show up.

[2197] They do the most, they do the least amount that they can do to not get fired.

[2198] And they go home and then they just sit around.

[2199] And they watch things happen on television and they talk shit.

[2200] That is sadly a lot of people's.

[2201] And this is their existence, and this is this unfulfilled life.

[2202] This is this unfulfilled time here.

[2203] And it's a miserable time because the more you seek this comfort, the more you seek this laziness and this sloth and just laying around doing nothing, the more depressed you're going to be because you're not going to get that good feedback.

[2204] You're not going to get that growth.

[2205] You're not going to get that feeling of accomplishment.

[2206] You're not going to get any of the things that make life exciting.

[2207] one of the reasons why people go why you get happy when you shoot an elk like the video that you and me uh that from last year from my last year's hunt i'm like do you know how hard that is to do so hard you would know you shoot an animal that's 67 yards away and you have to make sure that you hit it right if you don't hit it right you're you're wounding it and then this and it's also it's so difficult just to keep your nerves together when you're you have this so many hard aspects to doing that and hundreds and hundreds of hours of practice have to be in place like you have you can't like be learning that day and doing that that that shit has to be dialed in but out of context it's for some people they're like whoa what's going on these guys are laughing exactly out of context why you're happy yeah you're happy because it is an incredibly difficult thing to do and there's a massive amount of relief when you see that arrow boom go right into the pump station you're like oh we did it we did it all the practice paid off and then then it's just about respecting the animal and finding the animal and you know and and taking it apart and then eating it and when you're eating that animal you're thinking when you're serving it to your family and your friends you're thinking about that moment you're thinking about the hard work that it took to to make that happen and it's all the more enjoyable yeah and it there is a switch there's a switch from what it's almost like relief and happiness a little bit that you performed as you have practiced for you said hours and hours hundreds of hours and then that arrow went right where it's supposed to and you know that that's going to result in a humane death for the animal so then you switch because we went from that feeling good smiling to then the death of the animals we walked up and it's a complete night and day difference yeah it was uh then it was that that's where the respect came in and you're like here's this dead animal and it's then that's you're not smiling no you're not and for people who haven't been involved and don't know what it's like to take the life of something i mean everybody takes a life of something to live as we just talked about but when you haven't done it firsthand that can be hard to to understand yeah and i think our relationship with animals and food is skewed in this country because people are so aware of the horrors of factory farming you know you think about that and a lot of people they equate that with eating meat and it's it's a really torturous and sick reality that that is how a lot of the food in this country is that's how it's made yeah that's how it's grown that's how it's harvested it's these but the difference between factory farming and hunting elk in the mountains could not be further apart yeah couldn't be further apart no it couldn't you shoot one elk to eat it for a year it was uh i mean and the challenge i think especially what we do with the bow the challenge is what makes it so rewarding to me i remember i my first hunt this year um just a couple weeks ago in oregon it was 100 100 degrees 90 degrees full moon the worst hunting conditions you know as people who don't know but a full moon means animals are out feeding because they can see at night that means they're not out during the day and then the heat keeps them suppressed their activity suppressed.

[2208] The bulls weren't really rutting.

[2209] And my buddy who's a lineman, Kevin Acres, he's a lineman for PGEE, hardworking guy, manual labor.

[2210] We just love El Cunning.

[2211] He comes down every year to hunt with me just because we enjoy the challenge and he loves elk hunting.

[2212] And we're on day five and I remember he goes, he goes, man, this is almost turning into flirting with a grind.

[2213] A little bit of a grind on this hunt.

[2214] And I was just like, no what I said it's only day five dude I said I wish it was hotter I wish there's two moons and we were just having you know just joking around he's always always has a good attitude too and it's just that challenge so then when you have overcome that and you say you wish it was hotter we'd quote jaco all the time and he says yeah I wish it was hotter he goes that would make the the water source more valuable good good wanted to be hot so anyway when you have that mindset And you've got to keep pushing.

[2215] And on that hunt, I was just covering mile after mile after mile looking for fresh sign because that Elkhorn moving.

[2216] So I'd do, you know, 10, 13 miles a day, just looking for a fresh track.

[2217] And finally we saw Ron Hofsus, who has logged down there forever.

[2218] He saw a fresh rub.

[2219] A bull had torn up a tree.

[2220] And that was a bull had moved.

[2221] So we were like, okay, all right.

[2222] Now we're on to something.

[2223] A bull had been here last night because it was just from the, rub wasn't there the day before it was there then so i'm like there's a bull in here we're gonna i'll find his track we're gonna find where they are and we went through and uh sure enough um that fifth evening of that hunt is when i got uh saw there's a bull up on the ridge bugling had actually funny i mean we were going through blackberries and there's a bear about 10 feet away and i had a a bear tag too and i look at the bear and it looked like a pretty good bear and i'm like I know the bull was about 150 yards up the ridge and there's a couple of satellite bulls and I'm like, God, I could kill this bear as long as it doesn't death moan really loud, I could go kill.

[2224] So I come to full draw on the bear and it looks through the blackberries that 10 feet away and sees me and takes off.

[2225] So I didn't, I had to let up.

[2226] 10 feet away.

[2227] 10 feet, yeah, he was like from us to Jamie.

[2228] I mean, right in the black, right there, feeding because he was in the middle of blackbirds.

[2229] Now a bear that's eating nothing but blackbirds are probably insane and delicious.

[2230] It'd be so good.

[2231] and there's so i you know i had a bear tag a mountain line tag a deer tag and elk tag so i'm like i'm ready to make something happen anyway i was going to kill this bear um but he took off and so then i was focused back up on the bull and i get up there and the bull hadn't bugled in a while but i saw there was a spike and a satellite bull on a cow and i take i look up over the blackberries up on top of the ridge and i see his antlers and i was just like jesus that's a big bull so i turned out to Kevin, he was behind me, I'd go, giant bull.

[2232] He didn't really know what I said, and I was just like, just stay here.

[2233] So I took off my boots and snuck up there, and I was 55 yards from him.

[2234] And he was just laying there, and I'm like, there's no way he's going to, he's kind of facing cordering to me. There's no way he's just going to stay here with, this is a rut.

[2235] I mean, he's feeling that there's other bulls around here.

[2236] So I stayed there at 55 yards, ranged him a few times, just to verify.

[2237] He ends up standing up and turning to face uphill.

[2238] I come back, 55, hold perfect.

[2239] and hit him with a perfect arrow and he went 30 yards and was dead in seconds.

[2240] But so when you go from the point to all that was that whole challenge of not seeing anything, sweating your ass off, covering 13 miles a day looking for fresh sign, when that culminates in a giant 7 by 6 bowl falling in 30 yards, it, I mean, there's relief, happiness.

[2241] It's, as you say, you've just achieved this, this goal that I don't know, even know it's so hard to explain how difficult it is but that's what people see so they see that and in context you can't capture a week of hunting and sweating your ass off and and being in the sun also you can't explain how many people fail at this everyone 10 % success rate yeah that's on good hunters that's on any elk so but you start talking about big bulls i mean it's less than one percent you know of of hunters especially bow hunting Bow hunting for big bulls.

[2242] And it's like, so that, it's hard not to feel happy, you know.

[2243] But it's not, it's not that you're happy with the death of the animal.

[2244] You're happy because you worked your ass off and you achieved a goal.

[2245] And that's, that would be anybody.

[2246] That would be anybody.

[2247] Now, when you transition to you walk up and the animal's dead, then there's reverence, you know.

[2248] And so there's that change.

[2249] And I think, People do it just like, you know now, because now you've done it.

[2250] But you can't blame people who haven't done it for not knowing.

[2251] No, and it's so hard when you watch, if you ever watch a hunting television show, most of them, I mean, there's a few that do a good job of sort of explaining, capturing what it's like, but most of them don't.

[2252] There's a lot of flashing music and, you know, the kill shot and everybody's celebrating.

[2253] High fives and fist bump.

[2254] People don't know.

[2255] They don't know.

[2256] You're seeing 22 minutes of something that probably took many, many days and a lot of struggle and so much training to get to that point where you could pull that off.

[2257] Both cardio, hill running, all the different things you have to do, and then shooting the bow constantly.

[2258] Like with a rifle, you can pick up a rifle and not having shot for years.

[2259] And as long as you understand the principles of shooting a gun correctly and getting a surprise shot, you can, if you're shooting off sticks, you could put that cross -term.

[2260] hair on an animal and pull pull pull blam and shoot the animal it can be done you know I would recommend you practice but you can pull it off yeah there's no fucking way you're gonna be able to pull off a long shot with a bow if you don't practice no you just can't do it no and people who even practice every day fail because it's nerves nerves are crazy nerves nerves are a weird thing man it's like it protects you because like it's an animal I got to run like like when you're in a situation where you need that adrenaline because your body's got to the fuck out of there and do superhuman things as fast as you can right then in a situation like elk hunting now you have to keep those nerves calm it's the weirdest thing for someone like especially i know i've like uh there's a few fighters that have gotten into bow hunting and fighters are used to just in the moment just fighting like moving quick and reacting but bow hunting you have to stay calm you have to keep your heart rate and check you have to be in the moment and just concentrate on the shot process and don't get caught up in it don't let that anxiety get you that's hard that's hard for people there's so many little mental games going on and there's and there's also not knowing exactly when to hurry when to slow down right which you can get away with you're reading the animal you're reading their body language you don't know whether to to close the gap between you and them quickly or it's time to be patient you don't know what the wind's going to do there's so many things that's why I always say like the better shape I'm in I can make better decisions on all those micro decisions yeah you know and that's that's what leads ultimately to success it's not it's not running 10 miles a day but that plays into all better decisions a thousand times and there's some I mean I think that any really difficult thing that you do in this life it elevates your ability to do difficult things it elevates your understanding of who you are as a person and where you stand right now in this moment and there's very few of those things that also sustain you with food and this is the crazy combination what bow hunting is it's both a physical pursuit a mental challenge and sustenance it's all these things together so powerful an amazing combination changed my life it's really did It's changed how I feel about food.

[2261] It's changed my relationship with meat.

[2262] And that's why you offered to write the forward of my book.

[2263] Yes, I'm excited to do it.

[2264] I've already got ideas.

[2265] I'll tell you after I'm done.

[2266] I don't want to tell you anything.

[2267] I just want you to read it when it's done.

[2268] Let's get the fuck out of here.

[2269] We're going hunting next week, buddy.

[2270] I'm excited.

[2271] I can't wait.

[2272] Here we go.

[2273] All right.

[2274] Goodbye, everybody.

[2275] Thank you.

[2276] And keep hammering.

[2277] Keep hammering.

[2278] Please.