MFM Minisode 188

[0] this is exactly right and welcome my favorite murder the minisode it's mini it's an episode we've explained it to you so many fucking times why don't you get it to listen basically it's so simple it's called reading email um we're gonna do it to you right now are you ready let's do it go first you want me to go first do it smith mix it up all right fine yeah this says freshen it up let's do it this says hello everyone oh hello i'll try to make this as brief as i can i was listening to Listening to your minisode number 186, when you read a story about a New Jersey man named Antone LeBlanc who was hanged after murdering a family, a doctor did experiments on his body and made keepsakes out of his skin.

[1] I thought this story sounded really familiar.

[2] Remember that one from a couple weeks ago?

[3] It was horrible.

[4] Yes.

[5] I live in Rollins, Wyoming, a small town on Interstate 80 in the middle of the high desert.

[6] George Parrott was known as Big Nose George, was also known as Big Nose George, was a cattle rustler and a highway man living in Wyoming.

[7] In 1878, he and his gang were planning to rob a train outside of Rollins.

[8] Local law enforcement caught wind of the plan and attempted to stop the robbery, but two law enforcement officials were killed in the ambush.

[9] Big Nose George and his gang fled to Miles City, Montana, and were bragging about killing the officers in a local bar.

[10] Big Nose George was arrested and returned to Rollins for trial.

[11] He was sentenced to hang on April 2, 1881, but attempted to escape from his jail cell.

[12] by filing down his shackles with a rock and hitting the jailer over the head fracturing his skull.

[13] Shit.

[14] Luckily, the jailer's wife was quick thinking and grabbed a pistol and forced George back into his cell.

[15] Shit, girl.

[16] I know.

[17] News of the attempted escape began to spread and the group of townspeople broke into the jail, held the jailer at gunpoint, and then it says, this poor guy had the worst day.

[18] Yeah.

[19] It's in the fucking head and then held up by downspeople.

[20] He's like, I'm doing my job.

[21] And broke George out of the jail so they could hang him themselves.

[22] He was lynched in the street on a telegraph pole with a mob of 200 people.

[23] This is the part that sounds a lot like the New Jersey story.

[24] After his death, Dr. John Eugene Osborne took possession of George's remains and attempted to do experiments on his brain for clues to his criminality.

[25] The doctor was also assisted by 15 -year -old Lillian Heath to commemorate the experience the doctor had George's skin from his thighs and chest sent to a tannery in Denver and made into a medical bag and a pair of shoes.

[26] Then it says, what the fuck?

[27] Which is your face is saying as well.

[28] It's so horrible.

[29] It's so insane and recent.

[30] It is.

[31] Was this a common practice in the 1800s?

[32] Question mark, question mark.

[33] Lillian decided to keep the skull cap and used it as an ashtray and doorstop throughout her life.

[34] George's body was later stored in a whiskey barrel.

[35] and buried near a medical office, the medical office.

[36] Dr. Osborne wore the skin shoes to the inaugural ball after being elected the first Democratic governor of the state of Wyoming.

[37] The story of Big Nose George was kind of forgotten until construction workers unearthed the barrel with human remains in 1950.

[38] Dr. Lillian Heath, yep, that teenage girl became Wyoming's first female doctor.

[39] Then in her 80s was able to identify the remains when the skull cap she had kept all those years.

[40] fit the remains perfectly.

[41] This fucking story.

[42] The skin shoes are on permanent display at the Carbon County Museum in Rollins, Wyoming.

[43] Wikipedia tells me that the shackles and skull cap are on display at the Union Pacific Museum in Omaha, Nebraska, and the medical bag made of his skin has never been found.

[44] I'm hoping one day someone writes in about a mysterious bag found out a pawn shop or in their grandmother's attic.

[45] Thank you for all you do.

[46] Stay sexy and always keep your skull ash tray in case you needed to identify a body.

[47] I think I don't think it sounds that recent to me like that's what the 1800s look like to me is just people fucking experimenting on people breaking people out of prison to kill them in a mob and a happy mob then experimenting on their brain and our body and then keeping a souvenir that's fucking morbid and creepy it's it's very like wild west where it's like you know what we're all going to keep to ourselves and then do whatever fucked up.

[48] thing we've decided to rationalize it's just so inhumane we've all seen back to the future three we know what it was like back then we we georgia's favorite film like the whole can't the whole canon is my is all I know about history is from back to the future phrase we've all seen back to the future three I don't I might I might call you on that one okay okay here's my first one okay I'll I'll read you half the title nurse mom stories great okay okay So masked up MFM crew A few minisodes ago You asked for nurse mom stories I meant to write in earlier But dot dot dot quarantine life With a five year old Oh my God No bless you and bless your soul My mom was a nurse when my sisters and I were growing up She worked in both the ER and in labor and delivery Throughout her career in Denver and in Orange County Though her accounts from her time spent as an RN RN range from crazy car baby deliveries due to massive Denver snowstorms to having to do an emergency C -section solo as an RN due to a doctor not answering his pager.

[49] And then in parentheses, the 70s were a different time.

[50] A couple standout.

[51] Like the time in ambulance pulled up with a non -responsive individual, her and the ER team worked 15 minutes to try and revive him with no success.

[52] After 15 minutes flatlined, the man sat straight up, pulled the tube out of his mouth, threw it on the floor, and laid back down all while still flatlined.

[53] To this day, the hairs on the back of my mom's neck stand up when she recounts that story.

[54] What?

[55] But did he go on to live or was he still dead?

[56] I think he was still dead.

[57] He was, but he did a thing that only living people can do.

[58] Or can they?

[59] That's why they need to keep experimenting on bodies.

[60] You're justifying the last letter with the next letter.

[61] I'm justifying back to the future of the rate.

[62] That's right.

[63] I love for it.

[64] Okay, but the thing about my mom's time is an RN that stands out most of my sisters and I is how she worked in the ER alongside Jeffrey McDonald.

[65] No. The Jeffrey McDonald's still in prison for murdering his whole family.

[66] Not only did she work with him, they were friends.

[67] And here's how I found out that little detail.

[68] One night when I was only 10 years old, I was somehow permitted to stay up late watching TV with my parents before bed.

[69] That was a mistake.

[70] They were watching a made -for -TV movie called Fatal Vision, apparently about Jeffrey McDonald's murdering of his family.

[71] I was too scared to move, let alone go to bed.

[72] After the movie, my dad looks at me and says, oh, and your mom's friends with him.

[73] She says he didn't do it.

[74] Needless to say, I barely slept for years.

[75] And to this day, she says, quote, everyone loved him.

[76] He didn't kill his family.

[77] Oh, no. Uh -huh.

[78] Cheers to all the nurses out there.

[79] Many in my family included.

[80] Be considerate and wear a mask.

[81] And don't let your 10 -year -old stay up late watching movies about murderers, you know, Lori.

[82] the scariest thing I feel like in a kid's mind it's like my parents know this murderer that means that they might be in on it and murders too possibly although I believe that the Jeffrey McDonald's story is the one that Errol Morris went on to write a book and I think make a movie about um it's someone with the hippies right I did I did that one yeah yes you did and and and Horrill Morris's whole thing is that the whole case was botched and it is he is innocent I just, I wish I couldn't, I wish, I wish I could believe that because the way those poor children were killed is just horrific and the thought of, it's so awful.

[83] It's really awful, but I think there was, there, it's interesting.

[84] I, it's an interesting thing because I, I think, I'm still having to figure it out.

[85] Oh, my God.

[86] I mean, I, I, I did that case years ago and I still know the details of it.

[87] It's just so horrible.

[88] Yeah.

[89] So it's bad.

[90] Yeah, it's very bad.

[91] Okay.

[92] This one's called my dad's friend, the serial killer.

[93] Oh.

[94] Great.

[95] I probably should not told you that.

[96] we're in a theme now yeah it's good you told us yeah we're ready greetings fellow jew and gentiles too thank you thank you oh mazzles mazzledub well talking to my dad on the phone one sunday night he casually mentioned that he was once friends with a serial killer oh it's in the first line it doesn't matter naturally i said tell me everything in the early 80s my dad was living in a small apartment above a food co -op in o 'clair wisconsin where he also volunteered right regularly.

[97] He became friends with a man named Alvin who stopped into the co -op from time to time while my dad was volunteering.

[98] My dad also worked a second shift at a local hospital and Alvin sang late nights at a restaurant in downtown Eau Claire.

[99] On his way home from the restaurant, Alvin would check to see if the lights in my dad's apartment were on and would stop by to hang out, I guess until my dad decided it was time to go to sleep.

[100] One day Alvin told my dad that he was leaving O 'Clair and moving to a rural town about 15 miles away.

[101] My dad thought this was a little strange but didn't think much of it.

[102] A short time after Alvin moved away, my dad learned that he had been arrested for murder.

[103] It turns out that Alvin murdered four men in Wisconsin and Minnesota between 1985 and 1988.

[104] One of the victims, a 33 -year -old man from Minnesota named Daniel Lundgren, was killed in what police believed to be a car accident in 1986.

[105] However, when Alvin later admitted to killing the other victims, he told police that he had also shot and killed Lundgren, who was his roommate at the time.

[106] Lungren's body was exhumed and the medical examiner confirmed that there were three bullet holes in his head.

[107] Police at the time said that Alvin likely shot Lungren in the car and that Lungen drove a short distance before crashing.

[108] It's not clear how the three bullet holes were completely missed the first time around.

[109] I guess if you get in a car accident, they're not going to like search your scalp for bullet holes, right?

[110] Right, exactly.

[111] This is kind of reminded me of the beginning of Fargo too.

[112] Oh, yeah.

[113] It's like it's that you'd have to really, if you're assuming it's a car accident, it's car accident.

[114] Totally.

[115] That's what everyone's doing, I bet.

[116] Yes, 100%.

[117] Well, I look into it.

[118] Don't look into it.

[119] Yeah, you've got better things to do.

[120] Elvin was arrested at the funeral of his last victim, 27 -year -old Timothy Hayden.

[121] He was found not guilty by reason of mental disease or defect in all four killings and has been confined to a mental institution in Madison, Wisconsin, ever since.

[122] We've been there.

[123] Oh, yeah, we love Madison.

[124] It's very charming.

[125] I'll ask my question now.

[126] Okay.

[127] Stay sexy.

[128] And never trust a person who suddenly decides to move to a shack in the middle of nowhere.

[129] Arella.

[130] Ariela.

[131] Great job, Ariella.

[132] Okay, here's my question.

[133] How does he get off a reason of insanity when he is the foresight to go and be at the funeral of a victim?

[134] And to fake the death as a car accident.

[135] That's planning.

[136] Which takes some forethought.

[137] What else don't we know?

[138] I want to know.

[139] Yeah.

[140] This whole door.

[141] Because obviously there's some bad stuff going on.

[142] Yeah.

[143] Wow.

[144] Yeah.

[145] And also just it's like that's like something from a movie where they're always like, oh, they come back and they go to the funeral.

[146] So take pictures.

[147] Yeah.

[148] He actually did it.

[149] But I wonder why I didn't kill her dad because it sounds like he was like a young man living alone as like the other victims were as well.

[150] Right.

[151] Just got fucking lucky.

[152] He, yeah.

[153] Crazy.

[154] All right.

[155] Okay.

[156] The subject line of this is scientists who worked the grim sleeper case.

[157] And then, so the opening is this, parenthesis, insert awkward and anxious filled opening here.

[158] Perfect.

[159] You fucking nailed it.

[160] You've been dead on.

[161] Welcome.

[162] I'm about a month behind since there's only so much death and chaos a girl can take during 2020.

[163] I mean, for real.

[164] Are you sure about that?

[165] Ask us at the end of the year.

[166] Let's pause and thank everyone for hanging in there with us while the world melts.

[167] Thanks.

[168] Okay.

[169] I just listened to episode 230 about the grim sleep.

[170] Leaper.

[171] Look, listen.

[172] I am a scientist that specializes in DNA and serology as they relate to forensic science.

[173] Hot for holes all day every day.

[174] Yeah.

[175] In parentheses.

[176] Amazing.

[177] All day every day.

[178] As well as clinical diagnostics.

[179] I've also recently founded and built my own laboratory called Lander Labs because I saw a need in my community and decided to fill it.

[180] Dude.

[181] A few years ago, I was working in another forensic laboratory when a new case came across my lab bench.

[182] A presumed homicide linked to the grim sleeper.

[183] At this point, Lonnie Franklin Jr. had been arrested, but had not yet begun trial.

[184] I had very little information to go off of before I began my analysis.

[185] Usually a victim's name was written on the evidence packaging, but not this time.

[186] All I was told was that she was a sex worker.

[187] There was nothing else to give this woman humanity.

[188] No report came with the evidentiary item.

[189] The date written on the evidence package was from the mid -80s, and the package had never been opened.

[190] I was a little bit.

[191] I was a report.

[192] I was a born in 1989 and baffled by the fact that I was working on a homicide that was forgotten about before I was even born.

[193] This woman who deserved a name had to wait until I grew up, went to college, became certified and randomly picked a box in an evidence room before her case was even opened.

[194] I'll never forget it.

[195] The item was a pair of blood spattered purple jeans.

[196] It was my job to figure out where her killer would have left his DNA on this item of evidence.

[197] I had to think like he did.

[198] I used an alternate light source to see if there were any bodily fluids on the jeans.

[199] Nothing.

[200] So I assumed I would only find touch DNA, which doesn't stay valid for long.

[201] But I tried my best.

[202] I swabbed the button and zipper.

[203] I swabbed the top of the jeans.

[204] I swabbed the side belt loops.

[205] I swabbed the bottom cuffs.

[206] All these areas I chose because I figured those would be spots he grabbed when he was trying to remove her clothing.

[207] Guess what?

[208] We were able to get a full DNA profile from those swabs.

[209] The DNA was consistent with Lonnie Franklin Jr., aka the grim sleeper.

[210] In 2016, he was convicted of killing 10 women.

[211] Since I don't know her name, I hope my lady in purple was one of those victims, but I don't know.

[212] Maybe she wasn't and is still among those stacks of photos he had of unidentified victims.

[213] Either way, I remember her.

[214] I saw a part of her most intimate moment, evidence of her death, that based on the evidence packaging, only one other person had witnessed.

[215] Let's remember her together from a raging stemist stay safe stay sexy don't get murdered annie wow fucking a annie oh my god i've chills well done wow what a beautiful thing to think that there are people working in like forensic criminal justice that are caring that much about the people and the cases that they're working on that's the goal is that everybody in law enforcement eventually gets the training and the vetting that is needed so that people like this are the people that are working in law enforcement.

[216] Amen.

[217] That's that's the dream.

[218] That's amazing.

[219] That's amazing.

[220] Thank you, Annie.

[221] Thank you.

[222] Great job.

[223] Great job.

[224] Great fucking work you're doing.

[225] We are proud to have you as a listener.

[226] Yeah.

[227] For real.

[228] And now I know why you can't listen all the time.

[229] For real.

[230] Fair enough.

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[253] My last one is that time I saved my friend from being abducted.

[254] Hello, Elvis and Co. This story begins about six years ago when I was 18 years old and my only hobby was being drunk at clubs.

[255] Hey.

[256] I was out clubbing with some work friends, several espresso martini's in and heading to the dance floor.

[257] Espresso martinis.

[258] Disgummer.

[259] Vodka and coffee.

[260] What is wrong with you?

[261] Cofy coffee liqueur.

[262] So you're just like vomiting coffee.

[263] Couple beans down in the bottom.

[264] Just make yourself perfectly nauseous for later.

[265] God.

[266] It's like when you and when you finally get home, you can't fall asleep because, okay.

[267] Because you've got the spins extra bad.

[268] That's right.

[269] When we realized we had lost one of our group, we'll call her Sarah.

[270] After 15 minutes of searching, I finally found her back at the bar looking very lost and confused.

[271] Sarah kept saying, you left me. Where did you go?

[272] Assuming she had just had too much to drink, we decided we should leave and make sure she gets home okay.

[273] Once we got out to the front of the club, however, we turned around and she was gone again.

[274] Taking it back, I went back in to find her and found her standing alone near the dance floor, once again looking confused and saying, where did you go?

[275] At this point, I realized something was wrong.

[276] And that may be her drink had been spiked making sure to keep hold of her hand we walked back out towards the main strip where we could get a taxi home whilst walking however i ran into some other mates at which point my dumb drunk self let go of sarah to hug them and say hello after a brief chat my friend points further down the road and says where's sarah going to my horror i turn around to see my friend being led down the road by two men who would grab hold of her hands sarah was looking back at me super confused but seemed unable to pull away from them.

[277] I ran after them, managing to catch up and snatched Sarah back from their grasp.

[278] The two men turned around and began laughing and telling me they were simply joking around.

[279] Now, at 18 years old, I was extremely shy and deeply afraid of confrontation.

[280] I still am.

[281] But in that moment, and probably thanks to all the espresso martinis, I channeled my impressive, I channeled an impressive amount of fuck you energy and just let loose.

[282] I pushed one of them in the chest and began waiting.

[283] leaving my finger in their faces.

[284] The other hand now firmly grasping onto Sarah's hand and yelled, fuck you, you fucking rapists.

[285] Yes.

[286] At this point, they stopped laughing and swiftly turned around to walk away.

[287] That's right.

[288] They did.

[289] I continued to shout some more fuck yous and assholes as they left and then finally went and hopped into a taxi to take Sarah home.

[290] The next day, Sarah couldn't remember anything, confirming my fear that her drink had been spiked.

[291] Yeah, for sure.

[292] I was so relieved that we had managed to get her home safely because who knows what could have happened.

[293] SSDGM and never underestimate the value of a fuck you energy.

[294] Emma from Brisbane, Australia.

[295] Good job Emma.

[296] Emma.

[297] That's how you keep track of your friends.

[298] It's well and also it's a good idea to have a friend if there's one person for some reason that isn't drinking or isn't going to get shit face.

[299] Yeah.

[300] Because there needs to be somebody with big the big picture.

[301] Yes.

[302] Like that was heart like I felt like I was going to have a heart attack the whole time.

[303] it's like drunk girls trying to help drunk girls is please please get someone that's in the mix there that like would see that immediately keeps an eye yeah yeah easy for me to say but of course it's so scary watch your drinks yeah it's me coffee martini you start using it as as your as your bar name how about espresso more expresso martini just saying the word espresso espresso like an 18 year old what express so martini please send us your story what so sorry what were you to say send us your espresso martini stories no but let's say I want them tell us the most disgusting martini you've ever had yes well I mean yeah tell us your stories of how bad you got this bins and then barfed on an espresso martini do you think an espresso martini has just the flavor of coffee beans in it and maybe a visual bean or two or do you think it has espresso in it I would guess it's espresso so liqueur, liqueur.

[304] I used to be a mixologist.

[305] I should know this.

[306] Is this true?

[307] Yeah.

[308] When you had your little twisty mustache?

[309] No, but you know, I had all those cooking channel shows about making cocktails.

[310] You don't know.

[311] You don't know who I am.

[312] Have we met?

[313] You didn't make them professionally.

[314] No. Behind a bar every night.

[315] No, I never worked in a bar.

[316] I'm sorry.

[317] I don't mean to take away the label of mixologist.

[318] I know that you combined something and and chicken nuggets.

[319] So I'm not taking anything away.

[320] I wish you wouldn't.

[321] Otherwise, I'm going to sit you down and make you watch fucking back to the future three with me. Is that from this episode?

[322] And I'm going to make you make me an espresso martini, see how far we get.

[323] Okay.

[324] Are ready for this last one?

[325] Oh, yeah.

[326] Let's do it.

[327] It's the subject line is nursing home confessions.

[328] Howdy.

[329] I am from a sleepy town in southern Indiana and I work as a nursing assistant in a nursing home.

[330] Thank you.

[331] That's God's work right there.

[332] Earlier this week, one of my residents confessed to me that she killed her husband in the 50s.

[333] I will call her Glenda in this story.

[334] Wow.

[335] Yep.

[336] It started when I came into her room with her favorite nightgown to get her ready for bed.

[337] Glenda said, absence makes the heart grow fonder, referring to the nightgown.

[338] You know how old ladies love sleepwear.

[339] I'm an old lady then.

[340] Then she said, you know who else is absent?

[341] My husband.

[342] I responded with, oh, did he?

[343] pass away a while ago, assuming she was a widow like so many of my residents.

[344] She said, yes, he's dead and I killed him and got away with it.

[345] And then I picked my jaw up off the floor and got the rest of the story.

[346] Glenda married her husband when she was 15 and he was, yeah, and he was 30.

[347] Oh, no. Uh -huh.

[348] Perenthesies, yeah, not chill.

[349] Her husband was an abusive alcoholic police officer that started beating her immediately after they got married.

[350] She stayed in the marriage because she had two.

[351] little kids and it was the 50s so she couldn't really provide for them on her own and she couldn't call the cops because he was a cop.

[352] Then one day, her husband got suddenly sick with flu -like sickness.

[353] She stayed by his side as a dutiful wife caring for him as he belittled her.

[354] She said all of a sudden she realized how sick she was of him beating on her in front of her babies.

[355] So when he fell asleep, she covered his face with a pillow and held on for dear life until he stopped moving.

[356] In her own words, I just held it there as hard as I could until.

[357] at least stop squirming and then held it there a little longer to be sure.

[358] Oh, my God.

[359] Just be like, Linda, I'm going to step out of the room for a second and then run up the middle of the street.

[360] Why don't you put your nightgown on while I'm...

[361] Fuck.

[362] Screaming.

[363] And then she turned, she turned to the nurse and there's a little bit of blood in the point of her mouth.

[364] I held her hand as she told the story and I asked her if she ever regretted what she did and she gave me the most heartbreaking response.

[365] I feel bad sometimes.

[366] but then I remember how bad it hurt when he hit me and how much it scared my babies.

[367] She said she called the cops in the morning and nervously waited while the coroner declared that he probably died from quote a heart attack or something.

[368] No one ever suspected foul play from tiny little Glenda because apparently murdering husbands was something else they didn't think women could do in the 50s.

[369] I asked Glenda if she ever told anyone about this and she thought for a second and said, nope, I think you're the first one.

[370] I could see the pain in her eyes as she told the story and it's clear to me that she knew this was the only way to keep herself and her baby safe from such an awful man I don't know why I inspired her to come clean my best guess is that she this has been weighing on her for a long time and since she's now in her late 80s she had to get it off her chest I let her know that her secret was safe with me other than to email my murder friends where I would change her name Glenda then became successful her kids became successful also and became successful today Glenda frequently asked me for kisses and loves when I paint her nails.

[371] Stay sexy.

[372] Don't get murdered.

[373] Wear a mask.

[374] And if you have loved ones in a nursing home, don't forget about them because they still love you.

[375] Also, be kind and patient with health care workers because although our country is acting like this pandemic is over, we are still being greatly affected.

[376] Sarah.

[377] Wow.

[378] Shit.

[379] Wow.

[380] Big.

[381] Thanks for sending that to us.

[382] Yeah.

[383] And entrusting us with that story, incredible story.

[384] bravery and how many times has this happened it's how many times has this been like this secret you know totally spoken thing i was thinking that there was a possibility that when they came when the corner came they knew what a pricky was yeah they were just like yeah part attack see you yeah wow you know that's happened before definitely oh my god that's heavy right well okay i'm glad their lives turned out good i am too that was amazing please tell us your stories whatever you want them to be don't make them up tell it to us though at my and we'll even we'll we'll copy edit further if you get sloppy yeah you just tell people all the details my favorite murder at g -mail or go to our website and fucking tell us your hometown stories tell it's everything and stay sexy and don't get murdered goodbye Elvis do you want a cookie