263 - Let Me Challenge You

[0] This is exactly right.

[1] And welcome to my favorite murder.

[2] That's Georgia Hartstark.

[3] That's Karen Kilgariff.

[4] Hi, guys.

[5] Here we are.

[6] Once again, just a couple of friends.

[7] And here we go.

[8] We're coding a podcast for you.

[9] Okay.

[10] You know what we should shout out?

[11] May I suggest?

[12] Please.

[13] it's basically almost very soon coming up on the one year anniversary of fucking coronavirus of the end of the world and the beginning of the lockdown we made it I mean we're making it look because should we just be a little honest the last time we went to record it was a bumpy ride for both of us we got 20 minutes in and I said should we just put up a lot it was it was like it was dark thing after dark thing that was just like no one wants to hear dark thing after dark thing it was it was like it's it was exactly the opposite of what you would go oh i'm to listen to a podcast whatever your 17 reasons might be none of them were on this list of this stuff we started talking about and it was that kind of thing where it was almost like an amazing example of anti -conversation where we both had like our own agendas and it was just like well i want to and then we shouldn't do that we shouldn't do what you're saying is not what we should be doing right now okay well can i say something and then it turned and then georgia goes uh i'm not into this can we do a live show and i was like yes that's the solution that was such a relief because there was part of me that like just wanted to close my computer and walk away because i was like this is so depressing right now and i don't know and then i and then we just kept both doubling down and being like well did you watch this and like well did you fucking did you drown your sorrows and this did you learn this lesson from this documentary it was just like could could we somehow re -approach why we love to do this and it's not about listing shows we watch on stream services it's not and i think that's what like everyone is like we're all just like we have nothing left to give you but um suggestions for what is is distracting us from the past year.

[14] Like, we haven't done anything else.

[15] It's much more fun to talk about real things that we can both get into instead of like, well, did you watch it or didn't you?

[16] That's what all podcasts should be called now.

[17] Let me challenge you.

[18] Did you or not watch it?

[19] And the answer is going to be no, because we watch completely different styles of everything.

[20] Yes.

[21] however did you watch this is the only one I have to ask the Woody Allen is a clear and present child molester documentary I did not allegedly I did not okay we'll talk about it next sorry I no it's good because that's what exactly what we're not doing moving on I mean no and I not to shut you down and not to be in a conversationally negative oh I'm here Oh, look who wants to be in the conversation.

[22] What's up?

[23] That's the first time she's ever, like, actually put her not, her, her muzzle into the conversation.

[24] You know why I made a deadly mistake.

[25] What did you do?

[26] I usually feed them before I start recording.

[27] She's like, excuse me, my, uh, I'm wearing his watch and it says 6 .10 right now.

[28] I will be with you shortly.

[29] I'm wearing a shark, a shark watch and I hear you speaking.

[30] And it's really, I see that you've pulled your, uh, your pocket watch out of your vest pocket.

[31] Mom, I've been learning about boundaries, and I just want you to know I've been really been triggered lately.

[32] I feel like everyone's going through a point in therapy because it's so quiet in our lives.

[33] You know, there's like outside noise and desperation.

[34] But like our inner lives are quiet.

[35] And so my therapy, okay, so all right.

[36] So I, Vince and I are in Ventura, California on a, just, I'm calling it an Airbnb breather.

[37] That's not good.

[38] That's not great.

[39] I'm working on it.

[40] But it's basically, it's basically the idea of let's go stare at different walls because we're so fucking sick of the walls we've been staring at.

[41] Yep.

[42] And my therapist was like, you're not allowed to read or listen to any self -help books or podcast on your trip because you've just got to stop it and you just need to read something fun and you're trying to absorb way too much like self -help learning shit and sometimes it just needs to ruminate what was my point that's a good well no that that's the point in and of itself that's a really good point it's like but you know what it is you're you basically went to the coast to like basically have a different experience so you actually have to be in that experience not trying to fix past experiences while you're having a present.

[43] Right.

[44] It's not constantly being like, yeah, I canceled my second appointment of the week in therapy and I'm just like, here we are.

[45] I love that you were like, what the fuck is she doing in Ventura?

[46] Like it doesn't make any, it's actually a lovely little beach side town.

[47] I wasn't like trying to be judgmental about Ventura.

[48] It's just like, it's just basically like that it's not a destination.

[49] Yeah.

[50] where you when you said that I was like she must have a cousin that lives there something like that that's the vibe it had it's to me it's the quieter less pretentious no offense Santa Barbara yes so that's what I forgot that it's right there on the hour away we I mean we really like it here it's like the one safe thing you can do is either go camping or go to the beach like go to the coast the empty ocean so nice one I mean that's really nice yeah go suck up some of those the negative ions get that good clean air.

[51] Yeah, the walls are so different over here.

[52] There's fucking there's like a sea fish seaside motif going on with this Airbnb person knows who they're fucking selling to.

[53] Yeah, they're like we know you're here for this big mouth bass or whatever thing on the wall.

[54] Yeah, there's a palm fron in the middle.

[55] Oh, and we left the puppy at home with our incredible trainer.

[56] So we're leaving the puppy at home to be better by the time we get that.

[57] Like nothing feels better.

[58] Good luck.

[59] Thank you.

[60] So the puppy's supposed to be less of a puppy in two days.

[61] Well, may I?

[62] Yeah, yeah.

[63] Sarah Du Bochet, we believe in you.

[64] Oh, speaking of decor, can I do one suggestion or what I've found that's made me really happy?

[65] This can be Decor Corner because I can actually tell you both too.

[66] Oh, great.

[67] Yeah.

[68] Okay.

[69] You know, I've told you about like, what was it called cottage core thank you cottage core and I've told you about you know why I could do that because there's only so many topics we've talked about you know that there was eight months ago that was one of three things I talked about I remember every word I remember every word okay well there's cottage core I've talked to you about beekeeping and the new hashtag obsession I have that I didn't know I was until I saw it is called hashtag clutter core and it's just pro clutter core or hashtag maximalism and it's just people like me you've been in my fucking house that are just Chotchky addicts and these people it's me it's just and I felt so guilty that for so long it's just shit everywhere like you fill your house with clutter but it's like meaningful clutter it's vintage clutter which you and I both love and I suddenly am like oh I don't feel guilty about it anymore it's an aesthetic it's like every single piece that you see in my house you can point to and I'll tell you a story about it it's just like it feels good so look up clutter core or it's basically somebody's risen up against Marie Kondo they're just like we will not suffer under the lash of this minimalism anymore listen I touch every single thing and they're all haunted and they give me joy and fuck you about it yeah fuck you about it for sure she seems really nice so like not fuck you but just Like, back off.

[70] No, not fuck her.

[71] Back off.

[72] Well, you just get to like what you like the end.

[73] And I think Marie would, I think that's what Marie is actually deeply all about.

[74] She's just kind of like figure out what you like and then do that.

[75] All I can think of this.

[76] So we tried to record yesterday.

[77] And my Wi -Fi went out like old school style.

[78] And it was, it felt like I was lying.

[79] I kept texting, accusing Georgia of accusing me. You were texting.

[80] screenshots of like it's not working like it's saying like we don't like you right now and screenshots of it and then you're like i'm not lying i'm not lying georgia i am not but it felt like the classic live like sorry my wife buys out anyway bye totally as i texted stephen of like holy shit i can't get this i can't do that whatever stephen texted back a marie condo um gif and it's her going i love mess and it made me laugh so hard again stephen is the king of The king of the gifts.

[81] So good.

[82] I love a guess.

[83] I was going to say, do you see my office?

[84] It just literally stacks of dinosaur toys.

[85] Devin is hashtag clutter core to the clutter core.

[86] To the dinosaur phone.

[87] Now, if you are less interested in clutter core or you're still looking, you're neither minimalist nor maximalist and you're not sure.

[88] My friend Dave Messmer, who I'm sure I've told many, many stories about he was my roommate.

[89] in college and in L .A. He's the one that lip sync groove is in the heart that time we were really stoned and he wouldn't stop.

[90] I think about that a lot, actually.

[91] He's one of the funniest people of all time.

[92] Thank you.

[93] And he told me about this Danish concept called Haighe.

[94] Haigah is the way he pronounced it, but I don't think that's accurate.

[95] Okay.

[96] But it's essentially the Danish way of living, which is about being cozy.

[97] Oh, I'm thinking immediately those really thick cable -knits, like obscenely large -knit, cable -knit blankets.

[98] Yes.

[99] And hot cocoa.

[100] That's one of the things they were like wrap a blanket around you.

[101] You get it cut, you out, drink soup or drink a big cup of tea.

[102] It's like big, big socks.

[103] That's what it's all about.

[104] And there's a book, I haven't read it, but is the first thing that came up.

[105] And that's what every, when I looked it up when he and I were talking about, it's called the Little Book of Haig, Danish Secrets to Happy Living, H. H -Y -Y -G -G -E.

[106] And the author is Mike M -E -I -K -W -I -K -I -N -G -E -N -G.

[107] You were saying his last name was Mike.

[108] Mike, Mike, I don't get it.

[109] And it might be a woman we don't know.

[110] Okay.

[111] But I love that idea because remember when we were in, we were somewhere, I think we were in Amsterdam, and we stayed in that hotel where I was like, I want this as an, apartment.

[112] Oh, yeah.

[113] It was just like everything was just perfectly.

[114] Definitely.

[115] Tilely.

[116] The color.

[117] Everything about it was.

[118] It was almost Mediterranean how like.

[119] Yeah.

[120] How perfect it was.

[121] Yeah.

[122] The tiles.

[123] The colors.

[124] The everything about it was so perfect.

[125] And I feel like.

[126] Oh, I'm going to look that.

[127] It's that vibe.

[128] Okay.

[129] I'm going to do the hashtag for sure.

[130] Um, there is, I do, when we bought our house, it had a woodburning fireplace, which I know is like, whenever you look at houses online.

[131] It's like woodburning fire, like original wood burning fireplace.

[132] But we immediately turned in a new gas fireplace because I was just like, I just want to fucking turn it on when I want to turn it on.

[133] Like to me, that's the like height of luxury.

[134] The height of luxury.

[135] So I know that like it kind of probably dinged our house a little bit like on the market.

[136] But who gives a shit?

[137] It was it was fucking work.

[138] Like now we just light fires all the time.

[139] Well, yeah.

[140] And also in LA just don't light fires because you'll burn everything down.

[141] Right.

[142] It's also really bad.

[143] the environment.

[144] So leave me alone, you hashtag fireplace purists.

[145] Let me say this.

[146] Let's talk about another positive, something that's happening on social media that's very positive.

[147] Our friend Kyle Russell, who has been doing the lip syncs of us.

[148] And he just keeps churning him out.

[149] And each one funnier than last.

[150] There was one I just watched.

[151] And I said this before.

[152] Kyle, thank you for making me like and appreciate my own thing because that's the part of this that is difficult is sometimes I just go like I don't want to hear my own voice anymore I don't want to think about it anymore it's the difficult thing and it's like I watch that and it makes me love us oh my god yeah and there was one where you're talk he's doing you talking over here and as I'm answering you he's putting on lip gloss it was black nail polish was black nail polish he's so good and then he just did the one where we're talking about baby Donna and he does it with a person named Courtney, who's at court underscore Agnew.

[153] It's so funny.

[154] It's like, it's that TikTok thing that it makes me feel like I'm 80 years old when I watch.

[155] Or I'm like, duet me. It's called duet me, which is a rad concept.

[156] Very cute.

[157] Which did you see?

[158] What's his name, Dave Hill.

[159] Do you know Dave Hill?

[160] Are you friends with him?

[161] Uh -huh.

[162] So that reminds me of the duet me thing, which is like a thing on TikTok where like one person will either like do an acting thing.

[163] and you can act against them on your own and record it or like play music.

[164] So Dave Hill, who's a fucking hilarious comedian who also happens to be a like shred on guitar in a way that like doesn't make sense and isn't fair.

[165] He's amazing.

[166] He did a duet me with Ed Shearan.

[167] It's on his Instagram and TikTok where Ed Sharon's like, duet me and starts strumming his little guitar.

[168] And then Dave Hill comes in and fucking turns it into a metal.

[169] song that's the most like just like nail work hand finger work I've never seen in my life it was so badass he's the best yeah he's in genuinely a hilarious hilarious comedian as well he's so funny yeah if you want to watch another you know our obsession with um what's the speed washing called oh power wash power washing so I follow this woman now on Instagram who found her calling, it's really interesting.

[170] Her name is Lady Tafos, T -A -P -H -O -S.

[171] She found her calling in it's not power washing because she uses all natural ingredients and like really gives care and love into cleaning old vintage headstones.

[172] Oh yes.

[173] Like cemetery.

[174] And she does, you know, like she'll do slaves who died hundreds of years ago and like tell their story and just like really caretake these old you know moss covered dirt covered stones that you can barely read and then cleans them and I didn't realize that it was like a thing that called to her that she had to do after her divorce and so there's this podcast called Divorce Club podcast where they just talk to people who who went through divorces and what you know how they came out on the other side that's really awesome as well so I recommend that as well okay a really beautiful thing of like yeah I was watching I saw one of those because it got I somehow saw it on Twitter and it is incredibly satisfying because it's like a cleaning video like a power washing video but then the thing underneath is like historical a beautiful mini monument to a person that may not have been even seen exactly because there was all that stuff covering it and you you know yeah I love that project.

[175] It's like a nice little tribute.

[176] Yeah.

[177] It's really nice.

[178] Totally.

[179] You know, what I was going to mention is since we're just going to do, I mean, what else can we do?

[180] We can't, this is all we can do.

[181] And you really, what is life, but suggestions.

[182] But a series of suggestions yourself and others.

[183] And to your friends.

[184] What do you do if you hang out with friends?

[185] You suggest things to them.

[186] That's right.

[187] This, if you liked the book attached, which I recommended about a month ago, which I loved and it felt like I blazed through it so quickly.

[188] There's another book that actually goes a little bit deeper and breaks it down a little bit more.

[189] And it's kind of full circle because I know I'm going to say her last name wrong again.

[190] Karloin Thiel or Thiel, who hosts Unfuck Your Brain, which is the other podcast I recommended.

[191] I listened to an episode she did where she talked about.

[192] She kind of believes in attachment theory but believes there's more too.

[193] it and then recommended this book.

[194] Okay.

[195] And this is a book called Insecure in Love by Leslie Becker Phelps.

[196] I own that because a friend went to couples therapy and they, and she immediately, her therapist was like, yeah, I'll need to read this shit.

[197] Yes.

[198] Insecure in love.

[199] It's fascinating and it is the detail work.

[200] You know what it is?

[201] Everybody wants some kind of a like, how the fuck do you do this?

[202] Like, how do you maintain a relationship with a person?

[203] And how do you actually past the initial what everyone likes part where you're like, you're attractive, you talk the way I like, we're the same, blah, blah, blah, yeah.

[204] Yeah, milestones and then it's like real.

[205] I totally get that.

[206] And when you get past that, it's like, then when the problems come up, it's like, bah, fuck it or whatever your approach is.

[207] These, it's like actually helpful information about why people do the things they do.

[208] So if you need that or you liked the other book, Insecure in Love by Leslie Becker -Felps.

[209] I think a good thing to remember, too, is that, like, nobody has that easy.

[210] You look around at other couples and you're like, how are they?

[211] They're such a perfect couple.

[212] They're so good at it.

[213] And that's like just an impossible.

[214] It's impossible.

[215] Every couple has things.

[216] Some couples are really lucky that they found someone whose attachment style exactly mirrors them, but it's never easy.

[217] So everyone has that.

[218] Right.

[219] If you're thinking that about anybody, it's because it's you're on Instagram and you're also probably lightly high because everyone is different levels of miserable, just admit it.

[220] Sorry.

[221] I was I just going to say based on that.

[222] Was it a book?

[223] Probably.

[224] Listen, let's see.

[225] Library.

[226] Look, listen.

[227] I'm listening to a podcast called Through the Cracks, which I highly recommend, which is a true.

[228] crime podcast.

[229] That's a really important story.

[230] Through the cracks.

[231] Yeah, through the cracks.

[232] It's really powerful and really well done.

[233] What network is it on?

[234] It's on W -A -M -U.

[235] Cool.

[236] What else did they do?

[237] I need a new one.

[238] Yeah, this one's important and powerful and it's great.

[239] Oh, it was Nina Simone's birthday last weekend.

[240] Oh, great singer and activist.

[241] And And amazing, like a prodigy piano player.

[242] And a bunch of people were posting different tweets about her.

[243] And it reminded me of the great.

[244] So Liz Garbus, who directed All Be Gone in the Dark, she directed a documentary about Nina Simone, like, I think five or more years ago.

[245] And it's called What Happened Miss Simone.

[246] And if you like Nina Simone or you're interested in both amazing music and kind of like civil rights action.

[247] She is just this incredible badass that I feel like I wish she was known more.

[248] So if you haven't seen that documentary by Liz Garbus, you absolutely should.

[249] Say the name of it again?

[250] It's so good.

[251] What happened, Ms. Simone?

[252] Okay.

[253] It's about her whole life.

[254] It's just really mind -blowing.

[255] Amazing.

[256] Yeah.

[257] What do you think?

[258] Should we do exactly right news?

[259] All right.

[260] Well, lots of great stuff.

[261] So much great stuff happening on exactly right.

[262] this week that we're just going to do a quick rundown of everything.

[263] So on this podcast will kill you.

[264] They're talking about human papilloma viruses, HPV.

[265] Very important.

[266] Everyone needs to know about that.

[267] That's right.

[268] And the murder squad was included in the Newsweek top 25 true crime podcast of 2021, which is really exciting, along with 10Fold More Wicked and my favorite murder.

[269] Hi.

[270] And Monday's episode, they have Melissa McCarty and Kelly McLeer from the Killer Jeans podcast.

[271] Then on Lady to Lady, they have Annalie Ashford from Masters of Sex and Kinky Boots on Broadway.

[272] And then on that's messed up, their special guest is comedian Margaret Cho.

[273] Yep.

[274] Friend of the pod.

[275] Friend of the network.

[276] Friend of America.

[277] And comedian Jay Jordan is on I Said No Gives with Bridger this week.

[278] He's hilarious.

[279] And on I saw what you did, Millie and Danielle discuss.

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[290] And it's getting less terrible.

[291] Let's be that way about it.

[292] Sure.

[293] This fly is going to come.

[294] Let's be that way about it.

[295] Let's be that way about it from now on.

[296] Okay.

[297] Karen, you know I'm all about vintage shopping.

[298] Absolutely.

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[317] Goodbye.

[318] All right.

[319] Speaking of sanity, we're putting up a quilt episode today.

[320] I love doing this because I look at the list of like live show episodes and stories we've done.

[321] And it's such a pity that these don't get to be told because.

[322] they're in a random live episode so now they do and we did yeah there's no pity we're taken back the night and we did so much fucking work on them plus the work not only the work we did of the the work and the performance but then the work the audience did of showing up and coming being so good to us the entire time time after time time after time can I shout out Sloan at Petcoe I want to give her a shout out for recognizing cookies even though I was covered up in my face mask and shabby sheet clothes that are just shabby.

[323] And I turn a corner and she goes, cookie!

[324] And it was the first time I had like run into a murderino in like over a year at that point.

[325] And so I was so happy to see her.

[326] She was so sweet.

[327] So thanks Sloan.

[328] It reminded me of live shows and I was like, I want to hug you, but I can't come near you.

[329] All right.

[330] So this is from the Vic Theater in Chicago, beautiful Chicago.

[331] So this is the Browns Chicken Massacre, which was a mass murder that occurred in January 8th, 1993 in Palatine, Illinois.

[332] And it's just a horrible one of those stories that are like, you know, who had the fucking gall to do this?

[333] And the way that the killers are caught is just a miraculous thing.

[334] So this story, I'm so glad I get to post it and tell it because I just, it's an incredible, awful.

[335] heroic story.

[336] Listen, we're going to do the Brown's Chicken Massacre.

[337] So...

[338] We've gotten a lot of tweets and emails about why won't you fucking do this.

[339] Yeah.

[340] Well, they're about to find out because it's horrified.

[341] Okay.

[342] That's what we're here for.

[343] On January 8, 1993, seven people were closing Brown's Chicken and Pasta in Palatine, a northwest suburb of Chicago, Illinois.

[344] Palatine, everybody?

[345] Palatine.

[346] Did someone say that?

[347] It's Palatoyne.

[348] Sorry.

[349] Who, by the way, like their 1986 commercial is Steve Carell.

[350] What?

[351] Like hosting it as like, the owner of this brown chicken?

[352] Are you serious?

[353] Steve Carell.

[354] Was he so good and funny?

[355] He was so cute.

[356] He looks exactly the same.

[357] Yeah, that guy's kind of.

[358] Gary, actually.

[359] He's a vampire.

[360] He's insanely talented.

[361] He doesn't age.

[362] Yeah.

[363] You heard it here first.

[364] Never, never, never not funny.

[365] Yeah.

[366] Vampire.

[367] We hate him.

[368] Spreading rumors.

[369] At this, okay, so Chicago, the store, the store owners were Richard and Lynn Ellen, Ellen Felt, who had spent their life savings to buy this franchise.

[370] The two daughter, their two daughters were scheduled to be at the restaurant that night working, but instead Guadalupe Maldonado, Michael C. Castro, and Rico L. Solis.

[371] The latter two are Palatine high school students who were working there part -time.

[372] One was a high school senior who just moved from the Philippines to escape the violence.

[373] And his Filipino -American friend, a high school junior who wanted to be a Marine, as well as Thomas Menez and Marcus Nelson, who were working the closing shift.

[374] So inside, the friars have been shut off, the floors are mopped, everything's being closed down for the night, and the employees are finishing up, and as they're closing, a Ford Tempo pulls up, carrying two men, and the Ellen Feltz had a policy that they allowed last -minute customers to order.

[375] They were nice fucking people.

[376] Yeah, that's, oh.

[377] I know.

[378] That's the nicest people when you go up, and you're like, go, please, please.

[379] I'm so hungry.

[380] Please, I just...

[381] Can you open?

[382] Do you want me to do that?

[383] I can't open this fucking water.

[384] This is a trick water I put out for you.

[385] I don't know.

[386] Wasn't a trick water?

[387] Everyone's like, I want to get trick water.

[388] She's such a practical joker.

[389] So, one of them orders a fucking four -piece chicken meal.

[390] And they go to sit down and eat it.

[391] What?

[392] fucking four -piece chicken man like what the fuck who does that like first of all what's that too many pieces what's the problem they're closing the store I don't go into like a clothing store a half hour before they close because you know every single hanger has been like you know meticulously and then you're just like I don't want a shit for tomorrow you're a fucking asshole I know but once you're in that door and they actually let you in then you're just like um okay I'm gonna get coleslaw um two beans No, that's such a dick move.

[393] So, okay, so they sit down to eat their fucking food.

[394] It's like, at least take it to go.

[395] That is super lame.

[396] Yeah, but they're not there for chicken.

[397] Okay.

[398] It's the final day's sale.

[399] It's rung up at 908 p .m. And as eight minutes past closing, and as they eat in a booth, everyone continues their last minute closing rituals.

[400] By 11 p .m. that night, the families of the workers are starting to worry that their sons haven't come home.

[401] And after driving by Browns, which is dark inside, although Castro's car is still in the parking lot, it's about 1145, and police say, but he calls the police at 1145, but police say the log, in the log it says it's called it 102 a .m. So there's a discrepancy there.

[402] After many attempts by the families of all these boys to get the police to take their worries seriously, because they're like, they went and had sandwiches and booze.

[403] And they're like, they don't drink.

[404] or eat sandwiches.

[405] Wrong and wrong.

[406] I'm guessing that part.

[407] Including going to the police station to file a missing persons report, Castro's father returns to Brown's third time along with Guadalupe Maldonado's brother who was also worried after Guadalupe hadn't come home to tuck his sons in as was his ritual.

[408] And they also had a police officer with them.

[409] It's just after 3 a .m. And they finally tried the green.

[410] employee entrance door which is open unexpectedly and inside they spot a jacket hanging just inside and that's when Guadalupe's brother spots an arm poking out of the walk -in freezer door it's propped open there's blood on the tile floor and the officer sees it gets the men out of there saying this is a crime scene when all said and done seven people were dead the assailant store stole less than 2 ,000 dollars from the restaurant.

[411] The case remained unsolved for nearly nearly nine years.

[412] Oh, let's get the photo of the restaurant.

[413] We have like two photos.

[414] So that's it.

[415] And then there's another one.

[416] There we go.

[417] Yeah, that's it.

[418] Okay.

[419] Fuck, man. So the case...

[420] Oh, and then...

[421] Sorry, what year was it?

[422] Ninety -three.

[423] Oh, recently.

[424] Yeah.

[425] The case remained Recently?

[426] Is that what you're laughing?

[427] That wasn't a slam.

[428] I was sorry.

[429] Like, what a shitty truck?

[430] Is that what you thought I was saying?

[431] I wasn't.

[432] I think it said it was recently, because we're both like, that was 10 years ago.

[433] Oh, I got it.

[434] You know what I mean?

[435] It's not like 1980s.

[436] Sorry, what year is it?

[437] Fuck!

[438] I'm stone cold, sober.

[439] I swear to guys.

[440] God, I swear to you.

[441] I will vouch for you.

[442] It's true.

[443] I'm the fucked up one.

[444] Real fucked up.

[445] Poyote.

[446] She's back on me. Do people still do peyote?

[447] I'm on peyote.

[448] That'd be amazing to do peyote before a show.

[449] I don't know.

[450] I'm just going to see what it opens up.

[451] Yeah.

[452] Look a coyote.

[453] I'm like, you could have just had a glass of champagne.

[454] No, I won't drink on stage.

[455] I want to do a peyote.

[456] It's natural.

[457] Everyone's like, the four boys.

[458] are like, they're in the middle of a really fucking depressing story.

[459] What the fuck is wrong with them?

[460] It's inappropriate.

[461] It's what it is.

[462] Dan, Kevin and Kevin and Dave.

[463] We apologize to you.

[464] You're right.

[465] You're right.

[466] You're sorry.

[467] Your feelings get so hurt all the time.

[468] Listen, your girlfriend is not at fault.

[469] She usually listens on our way to work.

[470] What?

[471] What about the other night we were at a meet and greet, a girl lead over to George and goes, I'm on a Tinder date right now.

[472] And I was like This is the last one of Say goodbye to him That was cute I like when you get excited to tell me something You do nails Yeah I have to do nails I'm sorry No I like it It's intense I'm used to not being listened to As a youngest child So like in my family If you were like mom dad or whatever It was as if nothing was happening You have to be like I will drop blood from you Another thing I wouldn't have noticed about myself until right now.

[473] What a great experience and journey that we're on together.

[474] Back into the mass murder, okay.

[475] The case remained unsolved for nearly nine years until 2002 when Anne Lockett came forward and implicated her former boyfriend James Degorsky and his friend Juan Luna.

[476] It's lead 4842 in the murder investigation.

[477] Is that crazy?

[478] Jesus Christ.

[479] Yeah, yeah.

[480] And how long after?

[481] How many years after?

[482] Nine.

[483] Fuck.

[484] That's such a long time to wait.

[485] It is.

[486] Lockett says she told, she was told about the massacre over a pot smoking session.

[487] Guys, that would freak me out so bad.

[488] Oh my God, can you imagine?

[489] I'm like, I'm trying to play Mario Kart.

[490] What are you doing?

[491] Yeah.

[492] I mean, I think a lot of us, They're like, yeah, no murder shit during pot.

[493] That does that, those two things don't go together.

[494] I can't even watch Planet Earth without freaking a fuck out.

[495] Right?

[496] There's a lot of true crime in Planet Earth, though.

[497] I swear to God.

[498] Mm -hmm.

[499] It's a lot of those.

[500] She said that, they said that they wanted to do something big.

[501] Juan Luna was a former employee of the restaurant, so he would have known that they serve people, you know what I mean?

[502] And he had left on good terms for a new job a couple months earlier.

[503] So he was questioned but wasn't suspected.

[504] But according to Anne Lockett, he knew there would be money in the store.

[505] And he was 18 at the time of the murders.

[506] He was now, nine years later, married with a young son.

[507] The details of the murder came out, and here are the details.

[508] Lynn Eldenfeldt, who was 49, the owner.

[509] She was the first victim when her throat was slashed.

[510] and they're all so two of them are in a freezer like walk -in freezer at the time getting everything together to close and then the murderers put that four of them in another walk -in freezer and throw Lynn after her fucking throat is slashed into that freezer.

[511] Can you fucking imagine being like we're getting robbed and then you're like oh no this is bigger than that and you have a panic attack what the fuck So then Marcus Castro who's the youngest victim at 16 was shot six times and then and Guadalupe Maldonado who's 46 Enrico Salas who's 17 had bullet wounds in the back of their heads and Thomas Menace who's 32 who's shot twice in the upper back and once in the temple and then Richard Ellen felt 50 was shot five times so in April 2002, the Palantine Police Office Department matched the DNA sample.

[512] Are you ready for this?

[513] Yeah.

[514] So she says it's Juan Luna.

[515] The DNA sample from Are you ready for that?

[516] What the fuck?

[517] I demand that there be a towel on the table at all time so I can shake it at you.

[518] A punctuation towel.

[519] This is awful.

[520] They find the DNA from the eaten chicken that was thrown in the garbage can't.

[521] Oh, shit.

[522] The night of the murder.

[523] Yes, you stupid fucks.

[524] Especially because, and I was like, did they test all the chicken bones?

[525] They had already taken the trash out because they were closing.

[526] Oh, my God.

[527] And so they threw their chicken in there.

[528] They took the DNA.

[529] I'm sorry, but those cops were like, thank fucking God.

[530] Yeah.

[531] They're like, it's 93.

[532] I don't know what this is for.

[533] I'm going to take it anyways.

[534] Chicken bone.

[535] Yeah.

[536] No, not that one.

[537] Some skin.

[538] Yeah.

[539] Oh, you eat.

[540] dark meat?

[541] What a monster.

[542] Then yeah, isn't that fucked out?

[543] Yes.

[544] The chicken was okay, and the chicken was supposedly kept in the freezer for most of the time since the crime.

[545] The Palantyme Police Department took the two suspects into custody on May 16th 2002, and Luna confesses to the crime during an interrogation although a lawyer would later claim that he was coerced to do so through corporal punishment and threats of deportation.

[546] Then they both go to trial.

[547] So, Luna's put on trial in 2007.

[548] He's found guilty of seven counts of murder, and he's sentenced to life in prison without parole on May 17, 2007.

[549] The stated...

[550] No, it gets shitty.

[551] Just when you thought.

[552] Yeah, this isn't the end.

[553] There's two more...

[554] Okay.

[555] But a lot of that is her poetry.

[556] Now that she has you here.

[557] Yeah.

[558] It's just quarry lyrics.

[559] Listen to the words.

[560] It's actually really beautiful.

[561] Okay, the state that's not the death penalty, which was available at the time, but the jury voted 11 to 1 in favor, they fell short 11 to 1.

[562] So one person was like, no. Can't do it.

[563] Then, so James Degorski, the other guy, was found guilty September 2009 on all seven counts of murder.

[564] but it's largely based on the testimony of Anne Lockett because there's no physical evidence as well as a friend of hers.

[565] And they both said that he had confessed to them.

[566] And then October 20, 2009, he sentenced to life in prison without parole.

[567] Again, a couple of the jurors voted no to the death penalty.

[568] Okay.

[569] So now it gets fucking fucked up.

[570] So it turns out that there's a petition in the circuit court that Lockett, Ann Lockett, misled jurors.

[571] believing that she had a much closer relationship with Degorsky at the time of the crime than she actually did.

[572] They say that she was...

[573] Sorry, is there a live sheep in here?

[574] Because that's not cool at all.

[575] Now, I don't know if...

[576] Was that Oprah goat?

[577] That was the weirdest fucking sound.

[578] Creepy.

[579] Haunted.

[580] I'm telling you.

[581] This place is haunted.

[582] Let's not make noises like that, guys.

[583] So I don't know how much of this, I believe, and it's really complicated, but supposedly people say she wasn't dating him at the time, people meaning their lawyers, I'm sure, and that she was actually involved with a man she had met while both were hospitalized for psychiatric issues.

[584] So basically all the dirt's coming up on her.

[585] Yeah, yeah.

[586] So then, let's see, he says, that man in a sworn statement, says that she had never mentioned to Gorski or his involvement in the murder.

[587] and instead he says that she had called him a few months after their own breakup asking if he knew anything about the murders.

[588] He said she told me that whoever came forward with information would be entitled to reward money and that if I heard who might have done the murders, I should contact her.

[589] And then, yeah, and it turns out that soon after that conversation, he was inexplicably questioned three separate times about his involvement.

[590] the woman, let's see, so the Cook County jury was also never told that Lockett would split nearly $100 ,000 reward money with her friend that had also, uh -oh, yeah, so the...

[591] That's a lot of pot.

[592] You can buy fucking, like, six bags of pot with them.

[593] Yeah.

[594] Okay, and then really quickly, I want to add this little part of a hometown murder that we got but from Sam from Chicago said, oh my God, there's more than one probably.

[595] They would not get their answer.

[596] Okay, my friend's neighbor called in a tip incriminating her then boyfriend, Juan Luna, who worked at the churches back in high school.

[597] The police arrested him and his accomplice, but they say at the time they were at the Crosstown basketball game.

[598] So when they got questioned back in high school, they said that they were a basketball game.

[599] and then her friend, Sam's friend, said that he was trying to get interviewed by the cops to let them know that he wasn't with both Luna and the other guy, he was just with Luna.

[600] So she's saying that he has an alibi.

[601] And then, okay, almost done.

[602] March 2014, okay, here's fucked up.

[603] In March 2014, a jury awarded James Degorski $400 ,051 in college.

[604] compensation and punitive damages for having been beaten by a sheriff's department in Cook County Jail in May 2020, 2002.

[605] We can do this.

[606] It didn't happen in the future.

[607] I am not psychic.

[608] It was a future sheriff beating?

[609] Yeah.

[610] A lot of metal.

[611] So he got that much money when he was questioned by police, he got beaten and gave his confession then.

[612] He suffered facial fractures that required surgery and the deputy was eventually dismissed.

[613] That's a little bit extreme.

[614] And I guess the Palatine Police Department had obtained confessions to the slings from at least five others who were never charged.

[615] So it's possible they had a, like a, you know, pattern?

[616] Pattern.

[617] Anyways, the building, wow.

[618] Something's happening.

[619] How long does it take for peyote to kick in?

[620] I mean.

[621] Girl, I think you're right on time.

[622] Cool.

[623] Uh, the building was raised, the church's chicken, church is chicken.

[624] Did we start the gas too early?

[625] I mean, there are podcasters who tour night after night, and they handle their shit just fine.

[626] I don't even, I've never even, okay, never seen a church of church's chicken.

[627] I don't.

[628] It was that sheep, it fucked you up.

[629] I really did.

[630] It's your animal familiar coming to tell you to go to church's chicken.

[631] The building was torn down in April 2002 after having briefly been a dry cleaning establishment and then a deli and then standing vacant for many years.

[632] So another place you don't want to walk by on your way to the grocery store, like H .H. Helms' Murder Castle.

[633] Can you imagine working at that dry cleaner?

[634] Or the Chase branch that is now there?

[635] That evil fucking place.

[636] In the location?

[637] You can't figure out why you have such bad vibes.

[638] You're like, was it the murder or is it just you fucking guys?

[639] Big Banks or murder?

[640] I mean, we should dig up the ground in there too just while we're at it.

[641] Yeah, right.

[642] So that was the Browns Chicken Massacre.

[643] Yes.

[644] I agree to do this again with you sometime.

[645] Nice.

[646] And thank you, Chicago.

[647] We miss you.

[648] We haven't been there in so long.

[649] Our Chicago murdering nerds have been there since early days.

[650] That's right.

[651] Please know that we wish we could come back soon.

[652] We are hoping to come back very soon.

[653] What do you got for us, Karen Kilgariff?

[654] Well, mine is from May 5th of 2019.

[655] It was this last time we were on the road.

[656] Oh, remember the time.

[657] Remember our Dallas -Urving, Texas show in that huge play, that huge theater.

[658] We had the best series.

[659] of shows.

[660] I had cowboy boots and I accidentally flashed the audience my underpants.

[661] Yeah, I said, Georgia, are you wearing a circle?

[662] Is your dress have a circle skirt?

[663] She went, it sure does and spun in a circle.

[664] I did the best, like, childhood twirl.

[665] Yeah.

[666] But she, we were about eight feet above the front row and we just heard this woo.

[667] Did I just flex?

[668] Stephen, do you think we can edit that in?

[669] Yeah, I can find it.

[670] Okay.

[671] On the top of the show.

[672] Yeah.

[673] Please put that in.

[674] So hilarious.

[675] So you'll get that experience first.

[676] I guess, spoiler alert.

[677] But do you remember on our first tour ever?

[678] I had to borrow tights from you then.

[679] And I still have them in my drawer, hot pink tights.

[680] Oh, my God.

[681] From 2016.

[682] That's right.

[683] We go back three fucking years.

[684] Thank you.

[685] Thank you so much.

[686] We've laughed.

[687] We've grown.

[688] We've loved.

[689] I've taken two full pairs of Georgia's tights.

[690] And that's how you know, something.

[691] That's how you know something.

[692] How about your outfit?

[693] Oh, this is.

[694] Yeah.

[695] Bow to your partner.

[696] Did I just show you my underwear?

[697] Did you really?

[698] And it was on the big screen.

[699] Last two nights I did that.

[700] And no one saw my ass.

[701] Can we roll that tape back on the big screen, please?

[702] No, never again.

[703] So this was an exciting show for us.

[704] us not only for being there, for being in the road, but also because our great hero, journalist, Skip Hollinsworth was in the audience that night and, or he was in the audience the night before.

[705] Right.

[706] And then I did his story, or it was the night before and then he was in the next night.

[707] Whatever.

[708] He was around.

[709] We got to meet him on that weekend.

[710] Yes.

[711] But it was a real honor because oftentimes when we would do shows in Texas for all the years that we've done live shows in Texas.

[712] We pull stories from the amazing magazine Texas Monthly.

[713] Their journalists write these incredible, you know, like immersive, deep dive stories about these different crimes that happen in Texas.

[714] And they've got some amazing ones.

[715] That's right.

[716] So this one is definitely one of my favorites.

[717] It's by the legendary journalist Skip Hollinsworth.

[718] It's the story of the legendary bank robber cowboy Bob.

[719] So last night, if you were lucky enough to be here, we uh no I just mean it like we were so excited because um the true crime or I guess just general journalist Skip Hollinsworth was a secret special guest and he came out and chatted with everybody and my story tonight is entirely taken from an amazing article that he wrote for the legendary magazine Texas Monthly it's so good such a good fucking magazine do you ever do the thing where you read one article on their website.

[720] And then at the bottom, they're like, you might also like this.

[721] And then you're like, goodbye the rest of the day.

[722] It's my favorite.

[723] I love it.

[724] It's so good.

[725] So this I got.

[726] It's a 2005 article by Skip Hollinsworth that was in the Texas Monthly about the legend of bank robber cowboy Bob.

[727] I love this so much.

[728] I'm excited for this.

[729] Okay.

[730] Can we also say what a lovely human being Skip was?

[731] He came backstage afterwards with his kids.

[732] and like her friends and he was just so nice.

[733] He's the best.

[734] Yeah, he has a really cool family.

[735] And he doesn't hate us.

[736] Okay, I'm excited.

[737] Okay.

[738] So one morning in May of 1991, a bearded man with a cowboy hat enters the American Federal Bank just off West Airport Freeway in Irving, Texas.

[739] What?

[740] Seriously?

[741] Yeah.

[742] I had a whole other one prepared and then I started reading this article and I was like, whoops, I have to switch mine now.

[743] When it's his turn in line, he approaches the counter, he's greeted by the female teller, and without saying a word, he hands her a note.

[744] And that note says, this is a bank robbery, give me your money, no marked bills or die packs.

[745] So the teller hands him the cash, he calmly puts it into his bag, and then without looking around or relying anything out of the ordinary is happening, he turns and very casually walks out of the bank.

[746] No one notices, no one but the teller knows that it's happening.

[747] because he has none of the normal indicators of bank robbers, which is obviously you'd kind of check over your shoulder maybe or at least look out of the corner of your eye.

[748] Stick him up.

[749] There's none of that.

[750] Stick him up.

[751] It's total silence.

[752] The entire thing happens in silence.

[753] Creepy.

[754] And then when he goes out to the parking lot, so he leaves.

[755] The police arrive almost immediately.

[756] And when they review the security camera footage, they see a thin man with a full beard.

[757] cowboy hat wearing sunglasses and gloves and he keeps his head down tip down perfectly enough so the entire time so his face is obscured they can't get any like defining features from his face um and uh of course he doesn't fidget so they they immediately are like oh this guy's a professional he's done this before there's no fidgeting there's no nervousness at all and when he um goes out to his brown 1975 Pontiac Grand Prix in the parking lot, he drives away normally like anyone else would.

[758] So there's no, they say that normally bank robbers will peel out or drive away fast and then drive through a red light and just try to get away as fast as they can.

[759] And that's what makes eyewitnesses notice and then write your license rate number down.

[760] So of course, none of that happened.

[761] He just drove away.

[762] So there were no eyewitnesses.

[763] So not only are the police stuck with no leads, but they realize that this is someone who knows exactly what they're doing.

[764] And so here is a clip of that footage from that robbery.

[765] Oh, man. His gloves and his big old hat.

[766] Okay, so seven months later in December of 1991, the same mysterious man hits another bank in Irving this time at Savings of America.

[767] Love it.

[768] No, no one's there.

[769] Do they have really bad rates or something.

[770] Again, the bearded sunglasses cowboy -hatted man passes a note to the teller.

[771] This time he makes off with $1 ,258 but a witness sees him drive out of the parking lot and does write down the license plate number.

[772] Nosey.

[773] Right.

[774] Why?

[775] I know.

[776] But out.

[777] Why did they write it down?

[778] I don't...

[779] It must have been someone from inside the bank that ran forward, is my personal theory.

[780] That's it.

[781] But we don't know, Skip and I don't know.

[782] So the police get the license.

[783] They trace it immediately to a house that's actually right close to the bank, so they speed over there.

[784] When they get there, they find an old lady sitting in her living room who says, I haven't left the house all day.

[785] Uh -oh.

[786] Or I haven't left the house all day.

[787] Get out.

[788] It's probably more like it, right?

[789] So once they go outside, they see that the old lady's red Chevrolet is missing its license, one license plate.

[790] I wanted the old lady to be the bank robber so bad just now.

[791] I was here for that.

[792] So a month later in January of 1992, the robber strikes again.

[793] And this time, it's at the Texas Heritage Bank in Garland.

[794] He uses the exact same M .O. This time he leaves with $3 ,000.

[795] He strikes a fourth time in May of 1992 at the Nation's Bank in Mesquite.

[796] they're all over there this time the teller puts the cash together but as the teller tries to put the cash together he tries to sneak a die pack into the wad of cash dude don't be a hero the robber clocks it and takes it out and hands it back to the teller and walks away that's so much more creepy than if he'd like punched him in the face or whatever yeah no just like you can go ahead and keep that.

[797] Yeah.

[798] Here's your chain.

[799] Oh, sorry.

[800] So this time he makes off with $5 ,317.

[801] So the FBI agent assigned to this case is a man named Steve Powell, and he's going crazy because he's like, shit, we can't get this guy.

[802] And he can't figure out who this, as I wrote, smooth -ass bank robber is.

[803] So until they can identify him, he decides to give the bank robber the nickname, Cowboy Bull.

[804] Bob.

[805] So four months after that last hit in September of 1992, Cowboy Bob robs the first Gibraltar Bank in Mesquite, taking $1 ,700.

[806] And the police get the license plate number and track the car.

[807] And with FBI agents following closely behind them, but once again, they track the plates to a nearby resident, who then realizes his own plates have been stolen.

[808] So it's exact same thing.

[809] So as they're investigating that robbery, they please get a call from Mesquite's first interstate bank, a mile away, saying Cowboy Bob has just come through and stolen a whopping $13 ,706.

[810] He's like, finally, I got a fucking payday.

[811] For real.

[812] He keeps on getting these tellers who had just dropped everything down the little forever tube.

[813] And so he's like, oh, I got a lazy one that didn't cash out.

[814] And that was his biggest hit, yeah.

[815] So according to the teller, Cowboy Bob was so pleased with the amount of money that he got on this one that he tipped his hat to her as he walked away.

[816] Damn!

[817] Yeah, because he's a classy motherfucker, yeah.

[818] So in just a year and a half, Cowboy Bob has stolen a total of about $26 ,000 from six different banks around the Dallas area, the larger area.

[819] So the FBI wonder if they're dealing with a criminal mastermind And if they'll ever be able to catch him Or if it's just someone who leaves you who doesn't want to get a job Because it's not that much money It's like what you'd make in a year, dude Right So witness So on this On that last hit a witness has taken Again taken down the license plate number So this time police trace it To a man named Pete Talas Who works at a Ford Auto Parts factory in Carrollton so you said mesquite you already cheered for you can't cheer for two different places but they're both of those cities are amazing in different ways okay um so when they go talk to pete he says yes that is i own a brown 1975 pontiac grand prix yes um but i gave it to my mom and my sister because they didn't have enough money to get a car of their own um and when they tell pete that the Grand Prix has just been used in a bank robbery, Pete says, bullshit, that car can't go fast enough.

[820] Okay.

[821] So, he's right.

[822] I mean, he's right.

[823] So the police get Pete's mom and sisters a dress, and they head over to the apartment complex where they live.

[824] And in the parking lot, when they pull in, they spot Cowboy Bob's car, the Brown Grand Prix.

[825] And so they huddle up and they start discussing what they should do.

[826] and they're like this is obviously where he's sold up and now we have to make our plan and they're talking about should we just bust down the door you like storm in and catch him because we could catch him with the money or do we slow play it they're trying to figure it out and they see a woman walk out of the apartment and up toward the car and she's wearing shorts and a t -shirt and they're like oh I bet you that's Cowboy Bob's girlfriend so they decide she gets in the car and drives away So they let her drive off.

[827] And they decide what they're going to do is Agent Powell is going to stop her around the corner so Cowboy Bob can't see them talking from the apartment.

[828] So they wait until she's like a little farther away.

[829] And they pull the car over.

[830] And inside, that's where they meet Peggy Joe Talas.

[831] So she politely introduces herself.

[832] She explains, yes, the car is hers.

[833] She got it from her brother.

[834] And that they ask her, have you used it at any time today?

[835] And she goes, yeah, I just got, I went out and picked up some.

[836] fertilizer earlier this morning.

[837] And so Agent Powell and his team searched the trunk.

[838] They do find a bag of fertilizer in the trunk.

[839] And then he asked if they can search her apartment.

[840] And she says, I mean, there's nothing in there but my mom, who's like an old kind of sick lady.

[841] But they're like, that's fine.

[842] Let's check it out.

[843] So at the apartment, the officers ring the doorbell and Peggy Joe's mom, Helen, answers the door and then is shocked as a team of FBI agents and police officers storm past her with the guns drawn and go into the apartment.

[844] But once they get there, they just see that it's this really neat, tidy apartment that the two ladies live in together, and there's nothing, no cowboy bob, no piles of money, nothing.

[845] So they're looking around, they go into Peggy Joe's bedroom, they think maybe they're hiding, Like, if it is her boyfriend that she's hiding him somewhere in the closet or whatever.

[846] But, no, they just see that her bed is nicely made, and they open the closet, and all her clothes are very perfectly ironed and hung up.

[847] And it's like, oh, yeah, we really got this wrong.

[848] And then an officer notices a styrofoam mannequin head up on the shelf in the closet with a fake beard pinned into it.

[849] Uh -huh.

[850] Okay.

[851] And then next to that, a cowboy hat.

[852] hat.

[853] And then they check under Peggy Joe's bed and there's a bag full of cash under there.

[854] It's okay that I'm mad at them for not hiding that shit better?

[855] Yes.

[856] Like pull up some floorboards and shove your shit under there.

[857] Sealing.

[858] Move a ceiling thing.

[859] So basically then Officer Powell turns to Peggy Joe and starts asking or sorry what is the stuff and why do you have it in your room?

[860] And as She's, as he's talking to her, he notices that she's got a little bit of fake beard glue on top of her lip.

[861] And it turns out, Cowboy Bob is Peggy Joe Talas.

[862] Peggy!

[863] Yeah.

[864] What the fuck?

[865] What a twist.

[866] And he's like, her?

[867] She fucking, she's the one that's been beating me this whole time.

[868] Oh, wait.

[869] The lip glue part is like too good to be.

[870] true.

[871] Isn't it the best?

[872] Yeah.

[873] Where he's kind of like, so anyway, why do you have the, hold on a second.

[874] Oh my God.

[875] I want to see it all line up for him and like a movie.

[876] So wait, let's take it.

[877] What in the fuck?

[878] Okay.

[879] Oh, wait.

[880] There she is.

[881] Okay.

[882] The little girl or the mom?

[883] Yep, that's her.

[884] She's eight years old and she loves money.

[885] That's Peggy Joe up there.

[886] Peggy.

[887] That's her niece, I believe.

[888] I mean, don't do crimes, but.

[889] If you're going to do it, be cool.

[890] So, Agent Powell arrests Peggy Joe.

[891] They bring her down to the station.

[892] So they're stunned to find that this polite, very pretty, seemingly, very standardly normal woman has been the man robbing banks and styming the cops and the FBI for a year and a half.

[893] When they asked Peggy Joe why she did it, she doesn't say anything.

[894] And she also doesn't really talk to her defense attorney.

[895] all she'll say is that she robbed the first bank to help pay for her sick mother's medication for the degenerative bone disease that she has and that um but then when they ask her why she kept on doing it she just stares at the wall and shrugs like she stares away oh honey so in court the judge takes into consideration that peggy jo was never violent in any of these crimes um and she never used a weapon she never brandished a weapon uh never threatened anybody and seemed...

[896] You can rob a bank by just being like, I want things.

[897] Yes.

[898] What?

[899] Yes.

[900] I feel like we shouldn't be telling everyone that.

[901] I mean, because...

[902] If you don't know by now, come on.

[903] Yeah, and they have to give it you.

[904] You're going to get caught because they have everything, but you can.

[905] She never used a weapon, and other than that, she seemed to be a mild -mannered law -abiding citizen, so she's given a 33 -month sentence.

[906] Wow.

[907] And the first, Anyone that's never had a child, that's two and a half years in jail.

[908] Thank you.

[909] Right?

[910] Yeah.

[911] Oh, he's 54 months old.

[912] Really?

[913] I don't...

[914] You do the fucking math for me. I came over here to visit you.

[915] Clearly I have a very specific idea in mind.

[916] Peggy Joe serves her time without complaint.

[917] She doesn't...

[918] When her friends go to visit her in jail, she won't talk about...

[919] having done it, she just is like, how are you, what's going on with you, and kind of is just like not talking about it.

[920] And then when she's released, all she says about it is that she assures her family and friends that she won't ever do anything like that again.

[921] I pinkie swear, I won't rob a fucking bank again?

[922] I promise that I won't commit a felony ever again in a wig, mask, cowboy hat, and posing as a man. When she gets out, she's approached by a true crime author about collaborating to write her story and possibly turn it into a movie and she says no because she's the fucking coolest person of all time.

[923] Oh my god.

[924] She said she just wants to put the whole thing behind her and she doesn't she's like thinks that's lame so let's talk a little bit about who Peggy Joe Talas is.

[925] She was born in 1945 and she grows up the youngest of three children in Grand Prairie she's a well -liked spirit free -spirited child, but when she's four years old, her father dies from cancer.

[926] So that's when her mother gets a job as a nurse's aide to support the family.

[927] So I skip this picture, but this is her as a kid.

[928] So after the 10th grade, and then we go through that.

[929] So after the 10th grade, though, she drops out of school explaining to her mom that there's too much else to do in life than waste her days sitting in school.

[930] Yes, girl, yes.

[931] Fucking.

[932] When I was like, I remember in sixth grade, my desk was by the window, and all I would do is stare out the window and go, what are they all doing out there?

[933] I was obsessed with what the town did while we were in school.

[934] Like, all the adults are free to do whatever the fuck they want with no kids around.

[935] Do you ever still get that feeling when you're out, an adult, out in the world on like a Tuesday afternoon?

[936] Yeah.

[937] And you're just like, I could do whatever I want.

[938] No school.

[939] I don't have to go to school.

[940] I do it still.

[941] I'm 38.

[942] I do get that every once in a mile.

[943] Cure gratitude.

[944] And I'll never have to do algebra again.

[945] Okay, so she tells her friends, and everyone knows this about her.

[946] She's clearly a free spirit, and she is all about adventure.

[947] So she actually decides, because it's like the early 70s, she decides up and drive out to San Francisco to see, quote, to see what's going on out there.

[948] Okay.

[949] Oh, it's just a cultural revolution, Peggy Joe.

[950] No big deal.

[951] So she gets out there, and when she comes back, like, a month or two later, I think it was, she's got books by Lawrence for Linguetti.

[952] She's like into the beat poets, and she's like, she's just all about that kind of doing whatever you want, living your life.

[953] So in her 20s, she gets her own apartment in North Dallas, and she works as a receptionist, and at that job, she makes friends with a girl she works with.

[954] named Cherry Young.

[955] And so the two spend evenings going out to bars and concerts and basically looking for more adventure.

[956] And Peggy Joe tells Cherry, she doesn't really have any career goals at all.

[957] She doesn't really care about having a career.

[958] She's not interested in getting married.

[959] She doesn't care about having kids.

[960] All she wants to do is have adventures.

[961] So she basically says her plan is to work just enough to pay the bills and then have a little bit left over to go out and have fun.

[962] This is literally me until I was 29 years old.

[963] Hell yeah.

[964] And accidentally got a cool job.

[965] I know.

[966] We're kind of doing it right now.

[967] Don't tell them.

[968] Don't tell them.

[969] We basically robbed a bank.

[970] Okay.

[971] But you gave us the money so nicely.

[972] It seemed like you were really voluntary about it.

[973] So thank you for being a part of this emotional felony.

[974] Okay.

[975] She was obsessed with the movie Butchcast.

[976] and the Sundance Kid.

[977] She saw it a bunch of times and if you don't know because you're a millennial that is a beautiful and amazing Paul Newman and fucking Robert Redford movie about those two bandits who at the end of the movie they go and re -robbed the same train that they've already robbed and therefore draw basically get into this huge gunfight and at the very end spoiler alert they jump off a cliff so but definitely go see it Wait, you're thinking of Thelma and Louise.

[978] Oh, shit.

[979] So this is a quote from Skip's article from Cherry talking about her friend Peggy Joe, quote.

[980] She told me she was saving a little so that she could someday go to Mexico, just live on a beach in a hacienda, and wear bathing suits night and day.

[981] She was beautiful and she was rambunctious.

[982] And she always told me that deep down she was wild at heart.

[983] And that was very true because one night, Peggy J. Joe and Cherry got into a fight at a restaurant.

[984] They were, like, out for the night in Fort Worth.

[985] And, right?

[986] You guys know what it's like to party in Fort Worth so much that you fight with your friend.

[987] And walk away.

[988] I have to say, sorry, but I ate, like, I ate an apple before we came out here.

[989] I noticed that.

[990] I can't stop spitting.

[991] I'm spinning so much.

[992] Guys in the back, trust me on this.

[993] I'm spitting.

[994] Okay.

[995] Okay.

[996] Okay.

[997] So they get into a fight at this bar restaurant in Fort Worth, and then they both walk away from each other really fast.

[998] And Cherry just kind of like walks in one direction.

[999] And Peggy Joe walks out into the parking lot and there's a truck sitting there with the keys in ignition.

[1000] She just gets into it and drives away.

[1001] Yes.

[1002] Yes.

[1003] That's what she's like.

[1004] Wow.

[1005] She's my fucking hero.

[1006] So when she gets arrested for that, she actually gets the police chaser.

[1007] You can't do that.

[1008] You can't take that guy's truck.

[1009] He won't have it.

[1010] Not in Fort Worth.

[1011] She gets arrested.

[1012] She's given five months probation for that.

[1013] So sometime in the mid -70s, she meets a man, and he lives in a different town.

[1014] And she falls in love with them.

[1015] it's like he's the one so one day she goes to meet him and she goes to see him in that town and when she gets there she sees his car on the street and so she thinks oh yeah here he is I'm going to go see and gets out of her car and walks over and as she's walking toward the car she sees a woman go get into the car herself and she walks up and goes what are you doing and she was well I'm getting into my husband's car and that's how she finds out this motherfucker was married the whole time oh you very fucking married Ben What a crock of shit.

[1016] Okay.

[1017] Just keep that in mind, youngsters.

[1018] Please.

[1019] I'm begging you.

[1020] After that, she decides, she tells Cherry, I'm fucking never doing that again.

[1021] Like, I'm never going to be hurt again.

[1022] And she decides she's just going to spend time with her family and take care of her mother, who had just been diagnosed with that bone disease.

[1023] So that's this.

[1024] Oh, that's her later.

[1025] Shit, sorry.

[1026] Got it.

[1027] So, okay, so when Peggy Joe is in her 40s, she gets a really bad back injury, and then a little bit after that, she's forced to have an emergency mastectomy.

[1028] So that's when she realized, like after that, those kind of really scary, life -threatening situation, she realizes that she hasn't really done as much as she's wanted to do with her life.

[1029] and she always thought I'll do it I'll do it later I want to have an invention I want to be that kind of person but I have to do it later right um and now she's in her 40s realizing that she doesn't make enough money her mom doesn't make enough with social security for them to cover these medical bills and the cost of living and that's when the string of bank robberies begins it all comes together in the perfect storm of and a fake beard um so now we'll go back to the present after she's been arrested so they released her from jail, and she moves, so basically she just has to get out of town because the neighbors are talking about her, and it's like, did you hear Peggy Joe?

[1030] So Peggy Joe's Cowboy Bob.

[1031] She moves her mom into a small two -bedroom house in Garland to get away, and she becomes a cashier at the Harbor Bay Marina at Lake Ray Hubbard.

[1032] so apparently everyone there loves her she's the coolest person ever she um anybody that that they interview for this article they just have nothing but nice things to say about her she's kind she's a model employee um she even uses her own money to help poorer customers pay for whatever they're trying to buy um bait and whatnot you know stuff you buy at the lake the necessities Mm -hmm.

[1033] She works all day, and then she goes home and tends to her mother at night.

[1034] And in 2002, her mother, Helen, passes away at the age of 83.

[1035] So in spring of 2004, Peggy decides she's going to get that adventure that she had been looking for, and she buys herself an RV, because a guy at the marina is selling his RV for $5 ,900.

[1036] And so she's like, I got some cash hidden away under my beard.

[1037] Oh, shit.

[1038] Did she?

[1039] Okay.

[1040] So, I don't know if that's, I'm sure they seized all the money they could, but I would hope that she would stick some, like in the bathroom back under a tampon box or somewhere, they wouldn't work.

[1041] Look.

[1042] Now everyone knows where to look in your house with the break in.

[1043] Just all sorts of, there's no tampons, but there's tons of cash.

[1044] It's all fives.

[1045] So her plan is she's going to save up a little bit more money and a little time, and then she's finally going to go and move down to Mexico and live on.

[1046] the beach like she's always wanted to do all her life.

[1047] And she tells a friend, she wants to do it now, quote, before life runs out on her.

[1048] So she sells off her furniture.

[1049] She moves out of the house and garland.

[1050] She starts living in that RV.

[1051] So she's basically like, I'm going to get a little more money before I go.

[1052] And in late summer of 2004, she hits the road.

[1053] She doesn't tell anyone where she's going or if she plans on coming back.

[1054] She doesn't, you know, the family.

[1055] Her older sister died of cancer also.

[1056] So she really doesn't have much family left except for her brother Pete.

[1057] And she just kind of is like, peace, I'm doing this thing.

[1058] Do you think she was mad at him for accidentally turning her in in the first place with the car thing, remember?

[1059] That doesn't seem to be what Peggy Joe's like.

[1060] So no one really knows where she is for the next couple months, but they say they spot her, they spot the RV in different places around town.

[1061] And she's oftentimes camping out, like at lakes and in camping areas, just chilling out in the RV.

[1062] She likes to have a smoke every once in a while.

[1063] So in October 2004, an older man in a dark floppy hat, baggy clothes and gloves, robs the guarantee bank on the south side of the city, but gets away without a trace.

[1064] And one teller tells the FBI agent that's investigating that she was surprised that when the man spoke, he had such a high -pitched voice.

[1065] Shut your face.

[1066] She promised everyone she wouldn't do it again, she got out.

[1067] Sorry, she's a free spirit.

[1068] But at this point, Agent Steve Powell is retired.

[1069] He lives on his ranch, and he's the only one that would know what that meant.

[1070] And all the new young guns are like, all right, cool, we're looking for a guy with a high voice.

[1071] Let's do this.

[1072] So through late 2004 and early 2005, Peggy Joe's family only hears from her from time to time from pay phones around the city.

[1073] And then on Thursday, May 5th, 2005, Peggy Jotalis puts on a black, a big black.

[1074] Wait, that's today.

[1075] What?

[1076] Oh, my God.

[1077] Oh, happy Cinco de Mayo, everybody.

[1078] Shit, we dropped that ball.

[1079] We really did.

[1080] See, that's, do you see the noise you were making and how weird that is out of the blue to us?

[1081] That's where I was like, they're ooing something.

[1082] They fit.

[1083] That's kind of a good thing.

[1084] I was like, someone puked again.

[1085] Well, we're just going to have to get through it.

[1086] Snap, snap, snap, snap, snap, snap.

[1087] No, someone puked a date out of their mouth.

[1088] It was amazing.

[1089] Here, I'll say that again the way I showed up.

[1090] And then, on Thursday, May 5th.

[1091] 2005.

[1092] Peggy Joe Talas puts on a big black straw hat and a large pair of sunglasses.

[1093] she parks her RV in a jack -in -the -box parking lot across from that same guarantee bank that had just been robbed the previous October, and she walks inside.

[1094] She asks the teller to hand over the cash, and she walks out like she's done so many times before, but this time she does not notice the dipak that the teller puts into the cash.

[1095] And as she gets outside, that die -pack explodes red ink all over her, and the puff of red smoke goes up into the air.

[1096] It's like an arrow pointing at her.

[1097] For real.

[1098] It's a cursor.

[1099] So she basically tries to, like, speedwalk with red smoke coming out from behind her.

[1100] Dollar bill.

[1101] About dollar bills trailing after.

[1102] My money!

[1103] Oh, my God.

[1104] What a bummer.

[1105] That's trailing behind her.

[1106] So now witnesses see a person walking out of a bank with red dye all over the place, and they're like, do, do, do do, do.

[1107] everybody calls the cops the cops are already in the neighborhood because they have been investigating the bank robberies that have been happening in that area and so they immediately are there and they basically get to that jack -in -the -box parking lot as peggy joe is pulling out in the RV so now we are in a low -speed police pursuit holy shit because it's a fucking RV okay So, um, this RV cannot even reach the speed limit when she gets on to the highway.

[1108] Oh, no. Like the minimum limit.

[1109] So she starts, she tries to get on the highway to get away.

[1110] It's not happening.

[1111] So she pulls off and goes into a residential area.

[1112] Like side streets.

[1113] Yes.

[1114] I'll lose them in this humongous, giant two -story car.

[1115] Oh.

[1116] So pretty soon, the police are able to box her in.

[1117] and surround the vehicle.

[1118] And, of course, they're like, you're surrounded, come out with your hands up.

[1119] They don't know who's in this RV.

[1120] Oh, I don't know.

[1121] It's her.

[1122] They have no idea.

[1123] And there were theories that there were gangs going around and robbing these banks, and there were people working in teams.

[1124] So they're like, well, if it's an RV, a bunch of people are in there, probably.

[1125] So Peggy Joe stands up.

[1126] She pulls the curtains, and she goes and sits back at the table, and she fucking smokes a sig and tries to make a decision about what she's going to do.

[1127] It's important to have curtains and a table in your car.

[1128] That's right.

[1129] So you can think.

[1130] And convenient, yet it's so good for thinking.

[1131] Then she played solitaire.

[1132] All the stuff people do in RVs.

[1133] Thought.

[1134] So nothing happens for like 10 minutes.

[1135] And of course the cops are like, come out of the hands.

[1136] It's getting like more and more tents.

[1137] So what she finally makes, she puts out her cigarette, and she makes her decision.

[1138] She goes into her bedroom.

[1139] and she picks up a toy gun.

[1140] What?

[1141] And she walks out to the front of the RV and opens the door.

[1142] Smoke one more cigarette and think about that for a little longer.

[1143] Which one are you going to?

[1144] That's video of it happening.

[1145] Holy shit.

[1146] That was on the news.

[1147] So that's her leaning out of the RV door talking to the cops.

[1148] As a woman?

[1149] Or like, does she take off her?

[1150] Yeah, as herself.

[1151] Okay.

[1152] She took off.

[1153] I think the hat is on.

[1154] Like, that's the floppy hat and the sunglasses.

[1155] But she wasn't passing them notes or anything.

[1156] She was just like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1157] It's me. So the police are shocked to see a 60 -year -old woman standing in the doorway of the bank robber gang RV.

[1158] And she says to them, you're going to have to kill me. And they say, we're not going to do that.

[1159] Just put the gun down and come out.

[1160] That doesn't have to be that way.

[1161] And she says to them, quote, you mean to tell me if I'm.

[1162] come out of here with a gun and pointed at y 'all you're not going to shoot me and the cop that's closest to her says do not raise that gun please just put it down and come out she doesn't she steps out and raises the gun and Peggy Joe Talas is shot four times and killed on sight oh my god then the police throw a can of tear gas into the RV getting ready for the fucking bank robbery gang that they think is having their grandma drive them around in an RV They're prepped for accomplices, as well they should be.

[1163] But instead, they find the empty RV, the snubbed out cigarette.

[1164] And when they go into her bedroom, they find her 357 magnum that she actually owned, that she left inside.

[1165] Wow.

[1166] So the FBI record, all those agents that were there do the record check.

[1167] They realize that the dead woman is none other than Peggy Joe Tallis, Cowboy Bob.

[1168] So they call Agent Steve Powell, retired agent Steve Powell, and leave him a message saying we have some bad news for you.

[1169] And when saying they have some bad news about his old nemesis, and when he calls back, he just says, say it isn't so.

[1170] Do you think they had fallen in love?

[1171] Maybe lightly.

[1172] Yes.

[1173] Right?

[1174] Would that be amazing.

[1175] I mean.

[1176] Because that's why would you be so passionate to catch somebody?

[1177] Yeah.

[1178] When it was like, oh my God.

[1179] And then he's also questioning his sexuality, which is just.

[1180] hot.

[1181] Maybe I like beards, he thinks to himself, secretly.

[1182] What?

[1183] I never knew that about myself.

[1184] Right.

[1185] And then he sees the glue on her upper lip.

[1186] And then he's like, I'm into glue.

[1187] That's what I like.

[1188] I love sniffing glue.

[1189] I've never been able to release.

[1190] Oh, my God.

[1191] So, this is a, this is a quote from Skips article from her friend Cherry again, quote.

[1192] I might cry during this.

[1193] Sometimes I can't get over the sadness that she's gone.

[1194] But then I think about her walking out of that bank, 60 years old, that bag full of money, and I have to say that she went out doing what she loved.

[1195] Robbing fucking banks.

[1196] Robbing fucking banks.

[1197] What the fuck.

[1198] We'll never understand it, but she was doing what she loved.

[1199] I wish I could write her a note and say, good for you, my sweet peg, good for you.

[1200] I tell you, this is my favorite person of all.

[1201] fucking time.

[1202] When I tell you, because listen, and I think we all know this, it's kind, the way this society is set up is kind of a scam in lots of different ways, especially the banking system.

[1203] And the medical fucking system.

[1204] The medical system, the banking system.

[1205] It goes.

[1206] The invisibility of women over the age of 20, fucking seven.

[1207] That's right.

[1208] The whole fucking thing.

[1209] It goes.

[1210] Why not?

[1211] All the way to the top.

[1212] If you can fucking Listen, if you can take advantage of the things that normally oppress you and turn them around and get $3 ,473 every once in a while.

[1213] Without hurting anyone, without threatening anyone, without making it traumatic in any way.

[1214] Right.

[1215] You fucking get that paper, girl.

[1216] All right.

[1217] Just saying, I'm very inspired.

[1218] I'm just saying.

[1219] Are we bank robbers now?

[1220] I mean, we'd have to think of something different because Peggy already did it, but.

[1221] We just told everyone.

[1222] They wouldn't tell, Anna.

[1223] They won't tell.

[1224] Okay, so then I searched our email and found an email that someone wrote into us.

[1225] Yes, yes, yes.

[1226] And it starts like this.

[1227] Dear all, or should I say, y 'all.

[1228] Longtime listener, first time to get my lazy ass to finally write this email.

[1229] Honestly, I can't believe if I did it on a Monday, but here we are.

[1230] Is this from her, from Peggy Joe?

[1231] Oh.

[1232] Like, it sounds like her already.

[1233] I grew up in a small town in North Texas called Rockwall.

[1234] It sits on the outskirts of Dallas and is surrounded by a very large man -made lake that is used on the reg for speedboats, fishing, jet skiing, etc. There are a few marinas along the waters bank, but one was the most popular, mainly because the woman Peggy, who ran the bait and convenience shop, located on site, was pretty legit.

[1235] She was pleasant, friendly, and would even spot you if you were a little short, on docking fees.

[1236] Oh my God.

[1237] Mostly the younger crowd populated this location, as it was also easy at the time to score some cheap beers, although we were underage.

[1238] So fucking Peggy Joe's like, you can have it, go ahead.

[1239] Smoke, smoke.

[1240] Smoke.

[1241] Don't tell your mother it's from me. Flash forward a number of years, and my boyfriend, who was a habitual wakeboarder and was on the lake daily, received a text from an old friend mentioning that old Peggy Joe from the marina.

[1242] had died.

[1243] Well, she didn't just die.

[1244] She was shot and killed by the FBI.

[1245] Little did anyone know, Peggy Jotales was another character that was well known in the eyes of the law.

[1246] And she basically goes on and explains word for word exactly what I've just said.

[1247] And basically, it ends with, it's inevitably she died at the scene, which was discovered after the handgun was a child's toy.

[1248] And all the, it's very sad because also all the cops and the agents that were there they were like, there was nothing that indicated that that gun was a toy at all.

[1249] You know, sometimes they have like the orange safety caps and shit like that.

[1250] I mean, it was, a lot of them were super fucked up about that whole thing.

[1251] She did, it's, it was suicide by cop.

[1252] I mean, that's, clearly.

[1253] She was like, I'm fucking butch -casseting this thing.

[1254] And it was her choice to do so.

[1255] And the last line is pretty crazy shit for a small Texas town, but then again, I guess sometimes that's the best place to hide.

[1256] I hope to make it to the Austin show in November.

[1257] J .K. Just saw it's already sold out.

[1258] Oh, I wish you could go back in time and like give her a ticket.

[1259] SSDGM page.

[1260] And that is the insane story of the bank robber.

[1261] Peggy Joe Talis.

[1262] Wow.

[1263] Fucking lover.

[1264] Epic.

[1265] so good epic amazing great job thank you I know that one wasn't like I usually like to do a lot more jokes but fucking I don't know I just think that's so there's something about that story that's so awesome it's like a person like it's never it's not over you can you know try to do felonies and stuff but you can you can do whatever you want at any stage of life you want you fucking do it you can reinvent yourself you can reinvent yourself or you can not reinvent yourself and do what you love to do in your 20s even in your 60s.

[1266] Yes.

[1267] Rob Bank.

[1268] Why fucking not.

[1269] Boom.

[1270] You delivered.

[1271] I feel like everyone was on the edge of their seat.

[1272] I had never heard that story before.

[1273] So it was still one of my favorites.

[1274] I'm so, I can't believe we never posted that whole episode.

[1275] I'm so glad we get to bring, breathe life back into that story.

[1276] We can't.

[1277] Look, these quilts are more than just me needing to have a vacation inventor.

[1278] her not there it's not just vacation it's actually all right and then for the hometown what should we do now the hometown is going to be from a show that we did in December 8th of 2017 so if you were at the St. Louis Missouri show that we did at the Powell Symphony Hall you will remember this story that Mindy told us how funny is it that she was pregnant and now her kid is three I don't know math is a toddler four years old thank you that's crazy all right going to be four this year oh my god and in the 90th percentile we're guessing so enjoy this story from Mindy oh let's tell them about this oh yes okay so we I was going to for a little while I wanted my big thing to be that I was going to buy a blouse in the casino clothing store you know they always have those or like they're just like three things of each color like come on if you spilled something on your top come in here and get so i went in there as positive i was going to do it and the only black shirt they had had these big white rings that were cut through so that your skin would show i was like i simply can't do that but then we just started actually shopping around this store and they had some they had some pretty good stuff so we were like okay we're going to do we're going to do a hometown let's get this insane gift for the hometown person We got a little hometown murder prize.

[1279] I'll model it for the front.

[1280] Will you tell them what it is?

[1281] This is a gorgeous piece.

[1282] This is probably from the 1600s, I would think.

[1283] Real diamonds, real diamonds, and probably jade.

[1284] Also, what's nice is that the actual ring finger part is, it's stretchy like a watch.

[1285] So it's going to fit anybody.

[1286] And essentially, it's an octopus with a diamond -encrusted arms holding a fish.

[1287] with a diamond eye.

[1288] It's classic.

[1289] It's beautiful.

[1290] We're going to start the bidding at $2.

[1291] The best thing about it is the fish is screaming in terror.

[1292] His mouth is open and his eye is this big.

[1293] Poor guy.

[1294] This is a violent moment captured in jade.

[1295] And we can't wait to give it to whoever has.

[1296] Now let me tell you really quickly the rules of hometown.

[1297] We've developed over the live shows.

[1298] You've heard me say this if you've ever listened to a live show.

[1299] You can't be so drunk that you lose your place in your own story.

[1300] We love if you're drunk and God bless, but you've got to deliver the narrative.

[1301] It's important, beginning and middle end.

[1302] It's good that it's from St. Louis, so everybody can know it and have fun with it.

[1303] Or I think Missouri and John, like close by.

[1304] Close by.

[1305] Certainly don't go out of state.

[1306] What was the third one?

[1307] You know, just give it, you're all.

[1308] Give it a go.

[1309] Just kidding.

[1310] And it's you're on the tree.

[1311] on this.

[1312] Oh, yeah.

[1313] It's your thing.

[1314] George's been picking some great ones lately, so don't let her down.

[1315] Okay, who has a hometown?

[1316] Right there.

[1317] What's exciting about this is that she's already won that ring.

[1318] Yeah.

[1319] That ring is yours.

[1320] You can start planning outfits around it now.

[1321] Just as you walk, think about what you're going to wear.

[1322] So come here and there.

[1323] I absolutely should have chosen someone.

[1324] I pick up the pace.

[1325] Go there.

[1326] Wait.

[1327] Go over there to the...

[1328] Oh, are there steps?

[1329] Oh, they're taking photos with Vince.

[1330] It's fucking mayhem in here.

[1331] Yeah.

[1332] I should have invited someone closer to the...

[1333] There's a lit sign up there.

[1334] Oh.

[1335] Whoa.

[1336] I don't know my glasses.

[1337] What does that say?

[1338] It says, I almost got murdered.

[1339] Oh, shit.

[1340] There's a light up sign in the very back that says I almost got murdered.

[1341] Let's send this girl.

[1342] Okay, here she comes.

[1343] You should bring that everywhere you go.

[1344] I would.

[1345] It's great.

[1346] How are you?

[1347] Are you mad at me?

[1348] No. I'm really happy.

[1349] Okay.

[1350] Also, I'm pregnant.

[1351] You guys always talk about pregnant people.

[1352] But when you're walking up the aisle and you were like, hurry up.

[1353] And I want to be like, I think she's pregnant.

[1354] No, I wear this really awesome shirt that my husband bought me for our two -year anniversary.

[1355] Yay.

[1356] Because we really like Star Wars.

[1357] Yes.

[1358] It says it's no moon.

[1359] Okay.

[1360] I'm glad you're actually pregnant.

[1361] That's no one.

[1362] It's true.

[1363] Awesome.

[1364] Mindy, where are you from?

[1365] Um, I'm actually from Creafcore.

[1366] Okay.

[1367] What's that?

[1368] What's that?

[1369] It's local.

[1370] It's, um, about 15 minutes down 40 from here.

[1371] It's real close.

[1372] Free decor?

[1373] Creve core.

[1374] It's West County.

[1375] Will you spell it?

[1376] C -R -E -E -C -O -E -U -R.

[1377] I have to picture it.

[1378] Something hard?

[1379] So it's in St. Louis, we have this thing.

[1380] Let her tell it.

[1381] Where there's all kinds of, um, French words that we say wrong.

[1382] Oh, nice.

[1383] We love that.

[1384] So it should be crevcore, meaning broken heart.

[1385] But we say cref core because that's how we do.

[1386] Well, good.

[1387] You're psyched.

[1388] We support that 100%.

[1389] So I'm here with my sister -in -law who came all the way from Vegas.

[1390] Whoa.

[1391] And her friend, who's my friend now, Cat, and they're sitting right behind your uncle.

[1392] We're sitting here to your uncle.

[1393] Thanks for taking care of him.

[1394] What's your murder?

[1395] Okay.

[1396] Or do you want to talk about your family more?

[1397] I mean, no. It also happened in Crevecore.

[1398] Okay.

[1399] And so when I was in second grade, I was friends with this girl, and I'm going to not say her real name because she's a real person.

[1400] So I'll just call her Julie.

[1401] And so Julie and I were real tight, we're hanging out all the time.

[1402] She was real, she was a real quirky girl.

[1403] She liked NASA.

[1404] I thought she was going to be an astronaut.

[1405] Huh.

[1406] She's not.

[1407] But anyway.

[1408] So I was always both.

[1409] going to her house.

[1410] And she had this house that my parents called it, the compound, because her mom lived there and both of her grandparents and then her mom's friend.

[1411] And, okay, so it's 1987, so 80s.

[1412] And not a lot of people were divorced then, so I'm like, mom, what's up with, you know, who's the friend?

[1413] And my mom's like, oh, don't worry about it, but I kept asking about it.

[1414] I'm like seven years old.

[1415] And finally, she's like, okay, Mindy, um, she's, She doesn't have a dad, so that's her mom's boyfriend.

[1416] And I was like, oh, okay, well, where's her dad?

[1417] And my mom's like, okay, Mindy.

[1418] You're seven, you're old enough to know.

[1419] Yeah, she was like, her grandpa killed her dad.

[1420] And I was like with the grandpa that he's at the house.

[1421] And I'm always there and we're hanging out.

[1422] And she had these, it was one of these amazing families where you'd go there and there was always a project.

[1423] like we would for her birthday I would like sit on her grandpa's lap and he would help me iron these bows that we were making in you know those big 80s bows you weren't in her with the headbands and so we would be doing this and I'm hanging out with her grandpa and I'm like oh okay this murdering isn't that big a deal because I'm hanging out with him and so anyhow and like her mom would sit at the piano and they would all sing together and it was like so I don't like this very happy family picture right?

[1424] And I'm like, it's only the grandpa, like, fine, whatever.

[1425] And so, um, seven -year -old.

[1426] Yeah.

[1427] Yeah.

[1428] So anyway, a couple nights ago, I knew I was coming here.

[1429] So I was like, parents, I'm like, you need to get this story straight.

[1430] And my dad's a lawyer.

[1431] And he's like, okay, so here's the real deal.

[1432] What happened was when Julie was five, she started reporting to her mom and grandparents that she was being sexually abused by what was her divorced dad.

[1433] And, the mom and the grandparents were like, well, we can't have this, but 80s couldn't do anything about it.

[1434] So he still had this visitation rights, whatever.

[1435] So they planned this thing where when he came back, they were in the kitchen, and the grandpa stabbed him, in my dad's words, probably a bunch of times with a kitchen knife.

[1436] Oh, my God.

[1437] We're not done yet.

[1438] Because then the whole family, probably not including Julie, comes together and they chop him up into little pieces.

[1439] I told you, the piano thing, red flag.

[1440] I told you.

[1441] You're pushing it, you're pushing it.

[1442] You're trying to put this show on.

[1443] So they chopped him up in little pieces.

[1444] They put him in a bag.

[1445] And we were talking about this in the car.

[1446] We decided he had to be chopped into little pieces because he might not have fit in the bag they had specifically picked.

[1447] So then they drive out on like family.

[1448] road trip to St. Charles, if you guys know, which by the way is where I work, and they drive out to St. Charles, they find like a back road and they just bury him there.

[1449] And then they go about living their lives.

[1450] And one day some guy, and I guess he was like a hunter with a dog or something, and he found the body and called the police and they put this all together and they figure out this, this is Julie's dad.

[1451] And so they show up at the compound, which is just starting for it.

[1452] But they show up there, and they are like, what has happened here?

[1453] And the whole family is like, we have no idea what you're talking about.

[1454] And so.

[1455] With they're British?

[1456] It's a British fan.

[1457] Oh, they just became British.

[1458] Just for that moment.

[1459] So my, according to my dad, who knows this from like, at lawyers, other lawyers, whatever.

[1460] Apparently, they, like, systematically would pull, like, each member of the family and jail them for 48 hours and, like, grill them.

[1461] Nobody would break.

[1462] Wow.

[1463] Everybody had no idea what happened.

[1464] So, they would do this for months and months.

[1465] Like, they would hide this from Julie somehow, and so this happened, started when she was five, we're the same age.

[1466] So seven, second grade, it's still happening.

[1467] Like, the whole family's still living in the house, the police are stalking and bothering them all the time.

[1468] They can't get anything out of them.

[1469] And, like, my dad, meanwhile, is going to these lawyer, like, corporate parties.

[1470] He sees her grandparents and her parent there.

[1471] They're all hanging out.

[1472] I'm going there all the time.

[1473] It turns out my parents know that this family, like, chopped this guy up and buried him somewhere.

[1474] And they're, like, sending me over there all the time.

[1475] It sounds like a really safe place, honestly.

[1476] No one's going to fuck with you.

[1477] It actually sounds like the safest place a little girl could be.

[1478] Yeah, we're getting to that.

[1479] So I guess at some point, her grandpa decided that he would agree to, he's like, I didn't do it, but I'm going to plead to second -degree murder so that you'll leave my family alone.

[1480] So they came to some agreement that if he was there in jail for seven years, then when it was all over it, they would leave the whole family alone.

[1481] and at that point Julie switched schools and just we didn't see them anymore and I'm like I go to college I come back and waitressing at Cecil Whitaker's pizza and I wait on their family and it's the mom and the grandparents and obviously meanwhile I don't know all that happened whatever and they're all happy and the mom's like trying to get me to take a class that she teaches and the grandparents are like updating me on Julie telling me how everything's going and everything is all good and so anyway so when I'm asking my parents about this I'm like wait you knew the whole thing when I was seven and you sent me over there repeatedly and they were like well we knew you'd be safe they were right they have no shame they don't even regret it oh shit Mindy that was amazing thank you no I don't mind a child molester getting chopped up.

[1482] No. We've heard much worse than that.

[1483] Hey, where's that ring?

[1484] Oh my God.

[1485] Look what you just get.

[1486] Here.

[1487] Okay, can you just describe what you're seeing to the people right now?

[1488] I don't know if I could do a better job than you guys did.

[1489] Okay, then see you later.

[1490] Okay, it's like a lime green.

[1491] And it's almost as if this thing is wearing a, it's, oh, he's, he has the fish, but it looks like he's wearing the fish.

[1492] It does look like a little fish ring.

[1493] Maybe the fish is, yeah.

[1494] also a ring.

[1495] Yeah, like the octopus is wearing a ring and so am I. Okay.

[1496] That's better than the fish being killed.

[1497] I like that.

[1498] Thank you so much.

[1499] That was amazing.

[1500] All right.

[1501] Thanks, Mindy.

[1502] Way to go.

[1503] And for our fucking hooray, we wanted to recognize and shout out and give some support to our Texas murderinos and everyone in Texas.

[1504] Yeah, we know you guys down there are really going through some.

[1505] really heavy shit.

[1506] It's really heavy to see the news coming out of Texas.

[1507] It's really horrible to see so many people stranded, abandoned, not have food, not have water.

[1508] Like, it's just kind of insane and we're really feeling for you.

[1509] And especially because, and we used to talk about this early days, that Texas murderinos showed up early and strong and they are network when they first started giving us the numbers and telling us like, where, where the big populations of murderinos were, they were just like Texas all over Texas.

[1510] And we were like, what?

[1511] What?

[1512] Us?

[1513] Really?

[1514] They don't hate our guts?

[1515] Okay.

[1516] And in fact, you love us and we love you.

[1517] So we're going to donate $10 ,000 to the Texas Relief fundraiser so that you guys get taken care of because you deserve it.

[1518] And in the name of, we're going to donate that money in the name of the murderinos of Texas.

[1519] Yep.

[1520] So thanks to you guys.

[1521] and we're thinking of you and fuck hold on tight and uh take care of each other yeah definitely yeah so thanks for listening thanks for being here take care of yourself it's a bumpy out there it's been a bumpy year but look at you you got through it you're still here a year later and and can we're continuing on yeah we're just going to keep plowing through because that's what we do you know and that's you'll find some light take that out that You'll find some light at the end of your disgusting, dark, ugly tunnel.

[1522] Yeah.

[1523] So take care of yourselves, guys.

[1524] Yep.

[1525] And stay sexy.

[1526] And don't get murdered.

[1527] Goodbye.

[1528] Elvis, do you want a cookie?