11 - What the Helleven

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[1] Hey, this is exciting.

[2] An all -new season of only murders in the building is coming to Hulu on August 27th.

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[4] But there's a mystery hanging over everyone.

[5] Who killed Saz?

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[7] Why would someone want to kill Charles?

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[16] Okay, we're recording.

[17] We're recording a podcast?

[18] We're recording.

[19] Yeah, put.

[20] Everybody clear your throat.

[21] What's your name?

[22] My name's Karen Colgera.

[23] That's cool.

[24] What's your name?

[25] Georgia Hard Stark.

[26] And what are we here to do?

[27] Talk about moita.

[28] Let's do accents the whole time.

[29] Lucky.

[30] That's all I got.

[31] I'll do British.

[32] Okay.

[33] I'm going to have to slide into it.

[34] It's going to take a while.

[35] I really have to concentrate.

[36] Hello, governor.

[37] What, do you got a murder for me?

[38] Oh, shoot.

[39] Shoot.

[40] Hi, everybody.

[41] Hi, welcome to my favorite murder with this is Karen and Georgia.

[42] And we're here to talk about your favorite murders and ours.

[43] Yep.

[44] That's what we do.

[45] If you just found this randomly, if you were just entering random words on iTunes and you found our podcast, welcome.

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[47] You might get bummed out.

[48] Or you might fall in love.

[49] You might fall in love with murder.

[50] Trigger warning.

[51] Should we do trigger warning?

[52] Yep.

[53] Murder, clearly.

[54] If you didn't figure that one out.

[55] And peanuts.

[56] Peanut warning.

[57] Oh, peanut.

[58] Not Lith again.

[59] There's also several large penises in this podcast.

[60] Keep your eye peeled.

[61] Okay.

[62] So before we get into this week's favorite murder.

[63] Oh, Georgia's got some papers.

[64] She's got some serious business over there.

[65] Well, I want to discuss.

[66] Okay.

[67] So we have a Facebook group for my favorite murder.

[68] That is unbelievably awesome.

[69] Pretty great.

[70] 2200 people now.

[71] This is our 11th episode.

[72] I mean, like, have 22 people.

[73] Nope.

[74] 2 ,200 people in it.

[75] And for the most part, they're cool.

[76] I had to kick a guy out this week.

[77] He was being a creeper.

[78] He was being a creep.

[79] Is it the guy that posted the thing about how to check yourself for ovarian cancer?

[80] What?

[81] Did you see that one?

[82] I think it was probably him.

[83] He posted like, hey, you guys like beards or like, what do you do if a guy's following you at night?

[84] Like, really inappropriate.

[85] Oh.

[86] It's just weird.

[87] Yes.

[88] And the majority of the people in the group are female.

[89] And they were all like, hey, Georgia, can you kick this guy out?

[90] Yeah.

[91] So I kicked him off.

[92] And then someone wrote something about, like, politics.

[93] And I deleted their post, but I didn't delete them.

[94] Oh, because you just didn't want to have it be a thing.

[95] Yeah.

[96] Yeah.

[97] So I wrote a thing like, let's just talk about murder everyone.

[98] Yeah.

[99] It's, we're not there to have it all turn into anything, really, except for a forum for what everybody's creepy, funny interest is.

[100] It's funny that in a Facebook group writing and talking about murder, I have to be like, you're inappropriate.

[101] You have to be so inappropriate to get kicked out of a fucking murder group.

[102] Yeah.

[103] Well, but the other thing, too, what I found, and I was on there for a little while, and then I told Georgia the story of how I, I'm so afraid because I went back to Facebook and I don't want them to alert all my lunatic like we need be back the people that I went to camp with who made me leave in the first place yeah Karen's back I was afraid it was going to go through all my email addresses and just be like yeah guess what everybody so I tried to change my email anyway what ended up happening is I got locked out of my own new Facebook done that thing so I'm it bums me out because I was on there for like three days going crazy I mean like I wanted to comment on what everybody was talking about I have liked it's getting overwhelming but there's so many great there's so much great shit and you can just like post one little thing and everyone just writes stuff and people are so funny and smart see that's the thing is that like I think maybe a creeper or an outsider of any kind it just shows immediately because everybody's just on task man or woman everybody there is there to have very specific types of conversations and they're not even all about murder no and they know their shit like one person will be like you get you get a lot of posts saying like what was the murder that triggered it for you and that made you obsessed with it or what was you know the hometown murder thing is people are obsessed with that yeah like a lot of really smart questions and then really smart answers it's great and I think yeah as soon as some guy was like writing something that clearly had nothing to do with it people were annoyed well and also that's like a weird dude that walks up to you and your friends at a bar of like hey what do you guys think of beers where it's like we think go fuck yourself and they don't get it Yeah.

[104] I've had, yeah, I've had those, I'm not nice about that anymore.

[105] You comfy?

[106] Yes.

[107] Well, I realized that I was facing, I was perpendicular to you, like looking at you out of the corner of my eyes.

[108] That's how I like to talk to people.

[109] That's kind of, I wasn't trying to be coy.

[110] Oh, so I didn't tell you this.

[111] I am listening to, and I know you are too, you must remember this podcast about Charlie Manson.

[112] Yes.

[113] Like a seven part?

[114] It's a seven parter.

[115] The last episode I listened to was Dennis Wilson.

[116] I love it.

[117] How many celebrity name drops are in that?

[118] So many.

[119] It's hilarious.

[120] It's like Angela Lansberry's daughter hung out with the Charles Manson family and like would charge food on her mom's credit card until Angela Lansberry was like, cancel the card.

[121] Get the hell out of there.

[122] Do you ever reconcile that you thought Charlie Manson was cool?

[123] Like do you ever reconcile like Anne Rule thinking that Ted Bundy was a nice guy?

[124] I don't think you ever.

[125] ever contrast yourself again?

[126] Or is it like a compartmentalizing?

[127] No, you can't.

[128] Here's why I think you could.

[129] First of all, Angela Lance Barry's daughter was very young.

[130] She was probably in our early 20s, if not teens.

[131] So you get a pass.

[132] If you're young and dumb and it's summertime and you're probably on acid, anybody with long hair and like a weird take on life is going to be interesting to you, I bet.

[133] It's funny how in past episodes you and I've been like, how close have you been to getting murdering?

[134] You're like, one time I walked to my car alone and like Angela Lansberg's I was like, well, I used to fucking take acid with Charlie Manson.

[135] I chilled out with Charlie Manson for a summer before I went to Europe.

[136] But Anne Rule has like the perfect excuse because Ted Bundy was the ultimate you had to really hang out with Ted Bundy before you caught on that something weird was happening.

[137] He had his act down pat.

[138] Good for him.

[139] So what's you supposed to?

[140] I mean, he acted like he cared about her.

[141] He wasn't like a creep to Anne Roel.

[142] He was sweet to her.

[143] Do you kind of wish like standing in front of us right now we're like okay let's say there's like five dudes and one of them is sociopath do you think after talking them for like you get to ask each one three questions yeah do you think you could pick out which one is a sociopath I think well sociopaths are hard though because their whole game in life is to win to beat people to be right so they want they want to trick you they're going to do anything they can to not get found out but I would think that the nicest dude or the like emo kid in the corner.

[144] So do you accuse Vince of being a sociopath all the time?

[145] No, because he is.

[146] No, because he's nice, but he's like, he's not a pushover.

[147] Oh, oh, got it, got it.

[148] Yeah.

[149] But that reminds me, okay, I put up in the Facebook group, because remember a couple episodes ago, we talked about how you hate 911 calls.

[150] Yes.

[151] And we talked about how when a husband kills his wife and then calls 911 and pretends like he didn't do it.

[152] Yeah.

[153] And I was like, can you guess which one was real and which one wasn't?

[154] And I said I could, right?

[155] Yeah.

[156] And so we have to wait till Dustin's recording us next time because Dustin's not here because I need someone to play.

[157] I don't want to listen.

[158] I want us both to play.

[159] I got a bunch of people to fucking put 911 calls in the comments.

[160] No. Of our Facebook group.

[161] So we can actually play the game that we made up.

[162] Yep.

[163] So we're going to have Dustin pick.

[164] I mean, it sounds like the worst game in the history of the world.

[165] Should we wait till Halloween?

[166] Yes.

[167] Some terrible holiday that's scary.

[168] Listen, there is enough that we could do it every fucking day.

[169] lives, which is so fucked up.

[170] I don't want to.

[171] I don't either.

[172] We have to for science podcasting.

[173] It's, here's the thing, though, it's, because when you listen to a person talk like that, it sends alarm bells.

[174] It's like very, um, I want to say reptilian, but it's like it's adrenaline.

[175] It's old.

[176] It's like alarm bells go off of like if a man shrieks, that's an unnatural sound.

[177] Definitely.

[178] They're not supposed to make that sound.

[179] I feel like we're going to have to both close our eyes give ourselves lay down on the ground kill ourselves and then listen to them and then put some stuff in our ears yeah yeah that sounds like a terrible horrible hilarious game that I might do one round of we'll have Dustin pick three out and one of them will one of them will be real so we don't have to listen to too many real ones perfect okay nice they're never real and everyone kills their wives it's very common practice.

[180] What else?

[181] Oh, I was going to say last week I called that podcast, the crime garage about 90 times.

[182] It's called the true crime garage.

[183] And they commented and we're like, hey guys.

[184] Did they comment?

[185] Didn't you see?

[186] Yeah, I think it was them.

[187] I was locked out, remember, locked out of Facebook?

[188] No, no, on our Twitter.

[189] My favorite murder.

[190] That Twitter?

[191] Twitter?

[192] They talk to us directly?

[193] Yeah.

[194] I have been off social media because of this goddamn job.

[195] This goddamn awesome job.

[196] you have yeah exactly it's not macdonald um yeah they they commented and we're like did they say get her name right were they mad they were like lull thank you oh nice they were cool they were cool oh good okay thank god yeah jesus wow we have a real reach speaking of which we found out oh my god dustin sent us a picture go ahead you do it he sent us a little screen grab uh and we are number 75 on the iTunes podcast list.

[197] Comedy podcast list.

[198] Is it comedy?

[199] Yeah.

[200] Which is fucking huge.

[201] It's humongous.

[202] We've done this once a week for 11 weeks.

[203] That's not a lot.

[204] Thank you so much.

[205] You guys, whoever, here's what I love is when people now only can see it on Twitter because I've been locked out of Facebook.

[206] God damn Facebook.

[207] But on Twitter, what I love is when people are like, you would like this.

[208] And it's our, you know, listeners recommending and telling people.

[209] Tell a friend.

[210] Always tell a friend.

[211] Everybody's doing a lot of great.

[212] It's like we got a street team.

[213] Totally.

[214] People are doing great work.

[215] Well, Dustin was telling me that the way you get your numbers up on and the way you get in those lists is that is people rating and reviewing and then downloading to, but you have to download from iTunes to get those numbers.

[216] Oh, okay.

[217] But like if you're doing it.

[218] Clearly.

[219] Apple, you know.

[220] So if you have a podcast thing up, which I do.

[221] So they register it.

[222] Yeah.

[223] Well, thank you for doing it.

[224] everybody.

[225] Thanks guys.

[226] It's really exciting and a huge compliment.

[227] For a podcast with two female hosts, neither of which are married to big podcasting big wigs, comedy big wigs.

[228] No offense to those who are.

[229] Careful flame war.

[230] Do I need to edit that out?

[231] I don't think so.

[232] It just ends on how you meant it.

[233] Or have a famouser male comedian on the podcast with them.

[234] Look at the At the end of the day Two girls who are talking about The one thing that they thought They weren't allowed to talk about Which is loving murder And it's working out nice We're glad that people like it Did I just flame war so hard?

[235] You did not There's so many people that could have been I know Truly And I don't care That was George That was Karen who said that I mean Yeah that's all me Karen it's your turn Is it my turn to go first this week?

[236] If you want I'm happy to If you don't Guys This week our theme is cannibalism, which I think I didn't realize how rough it was going to be.

[237] Well, and I kind of touched on it last week with the vampire Sacramento, but he was, I mean, what I realized in reading is, yes, it's rough, it's super gross.

[238] I have something to read you.

[239] And there's all different kinds.

[240] I have something to read Karen about when I was like, I don't know about cannibalism.

[241] And you said, and you texted me back.

[242] hold on let me see here i said what if the uh i we were talking about maybe it'll be cannibalism and i said what if the theme is what if they're innocent and you wrote i feel like cannibalism would be easier for me i was like okay cool yeah i didn't want to have to do a bunch of like yeah will they won't they what i enjoy is when you know for a fact someone has murdered 12 children they were caught with like human flesh in their oven some horrible Yeah.

[243] I like deep horror as opposed to like, could he be in jail?

[244] And that's just sad.

[245] But also I meant it because I basically off the top of my head was like, well, there's classic Albert Fish.

[246] Everybody, you know, that's that thing of like he's, you know, he's an all star.

[247] So.

[248] And there's Dahmer.

[249] Everyone knows Dahmer.

[250] Everybody knows Dahmer.

[251] And if you haven't heard last podcast on the left's Dahmer, I think it's a three part series, two or three part.

[252] It's very, perfectly researched, of course, Marcus Parks, but also hilariously funny.

[253] I got to say about speaking of, you must remember this.

[254] And Dahmer, I don't care about either of those cases.

[255] Manson or Dahmer?

[256] I'm really bored by arrest me. You must remember this.

[257] I know that's as a podcast.

[258] As a story.

[259] You're flaming out tonight.

[260] As a story.

[261] You're just like.

[262] And I'm like, I don't like anything, but when children get murdered.

[263] No, no, no. I 100 % agree with you that somebody, I think on Twitter recommended the You Must Remember this Manson series.

[264] And my SaaS remarked back immediately was I don't like hippies.

[265] It's someone that I know or talk to, so it wasn't like too mean.

[266] But that's my thing is that, yeah, Charles Manson is, it's just random.

[267] And then Jeffrey Dahmer is just like one guy being gross.

[268] and I like more of a planning, processy, a true serial killer.

[269] Oh, I guess he was in that way, but like as I've said a million times, I tend more toward like seven, the movie seven, where it's like notebooks, weird shit hung in your apartment.

[270] Obsessive.

[271] Well, he had shit all over I guess I'm less interested in serial killers these days than I am in either one -off murders or even multiple murders, but not a serial killer.

[272] I just don't think I'm as interested anymore in that as much as people who fucking snap I guess sociopaths and psychopaths bore me because there's no explanation there's no like understanding them I hate being so far away from I hate saying I don't understand at all how they could have done that I want like a well I've been pissed off or I've been with this person who is a psychopath like I understand That's fascinating because I'm exactly the opposite.

[273] That's why this is a perfect fact I can do.

[274] Hello, yang and gang.

[275] Take a shot.

[276] Karen just saying something.

[277] I have to do it.

[278] It's one of my oldest habits.

[279] I love it.

[280] Yeah, I guess I like the psychological what the hell is going on and people don't really have the answer.

[281] I like the fact that the human brain is such a mystery.

[282] Yeah.

[283] And what is what's behind everything.

[284] I don't like when the trial is.

[285] open and close.

[286] I want it to be so complicated and so insane and weird and circumstantial and this and that that we don't really know completely and also it was like a temporary insanity or you know, which I don't believe in at all.

[287] Right.

[288] I also like when we were talking about the staircase, stories like that and if you haven't seen the staircase, it's a documentary series, it's amazing and you should definitely see it if you care about true crime because it's got everything.

[289] What I love about it is it's something great to talk about.

[290] Everyone I know has a completely different opinion, and there's still new stuff coming in.

[291] The thing about the blood spedder expert, just being a complete fraud, is amazing.

[292] And it's like, the story's always developing.

[293] I love that.

[294] I did like the jinx, is that he killed circumstantially.

[295] He killed because the circumstances demanded it.

[296] His wife was going to leave him.

[297] His neighbor was going to snitch on him.

[298] his best friend was figuring his shit out yeah so he had to kill you know like I mean he didn't clearly but I love that that person's brain thought these ways he wasn't a psychopath who enjoyed murder it was like this he's such a fucking narcissist that these were the that was the means to the end but I think there's you could argue he did enjoy some of it because he was so tricky when he killed the woman who was his good friend I can't remember her name now that whole thing where He flew into, like, way northern California and drove down.

[299] So it's like, I wasn't in Los Angeles.

[300] But just the fact, you know, he shot her in the back of the head, meaning he couldn't look her in the face when he killed her.

[301] True.

[302] Because there were emotions there.

[303] Yeah, he knew her and he, like, he had grown up with her.

[304] Totally.

[305] What a creep.

[306] He walked her down the aisle when she got married.

[307] Oh, shit.

[308] Yeah.

[309] So he, like, little things like that, you know, it's not like those little things, I think, are the.

[310] And so the serial killers, like, even Ted Bundy, which I've read all about when I was like 14 and like, serial killer, like the occult shit.

[311] But then got older and was like, this isn't how life is.

[312] Life is ugly and weird and creepy and spur the moment and you make stupid.

[313] And Ted Bundy's beautiful.

[314] And Ted Bundy is calculated.

[315] Oh, yes, like organized.

[316] Right.

[317] Yes, yes, yes.

[318] I get it.

[319] Yeah.

[320] That makes sense.

[321] And wait, what about cannibalism?

[322] oh I guess I was saying like in the in the first pass of looking at different all the choices we had and I know people were posting so if you whatever you find here if it does it does not satisfy you go to our Facebook page because people started posting stories what they like and that's always a great thing too is that no matter what happens here there's a bunch of options on the Facebook page and sometimes we'll we'll have our murder but the thing that we're that either can't and I are focusing on is a part of it that we find interesting.

[323] Yeah.

[324] Like we don't have, we're not going to tell you from start to finish the murder.

[325] We can't do a seven part series.

[326] We don't have the attention span.

[327] I'm sorry, what?

[328] But I was going to say, uh, do you see how cute my cat is?

[329] I do.

[330] Oh, I'm sorry.

[331] You were serious.

[332] I thought we were both joking.

[333] No, well, I was just going to say, I love, you must remember this because I, those ones that are like fully produced.

[334] She's got music cues.

[335] Her speaking voice is perfect.

[336] The writing is amazing.

[337] I just keep thinking of how she's, she's taking so much research and making it a fascinating story.

[338] She is doing a great fucking job.

[339] I just don't care about Manson.

[340] But I'm going to listen to the whole thing because it's still history.

[341] I didn't think I cared about Manson.

[342] I started listening to it because I had a long drive home one night and I was like, I'm not, I'm not going to listen to the radio.

[343] And by the end of the first episode, I was like, I am in this.

[344] I want to hear whatever you have to tell me. Because she folds in all the Angela Lansberry shit that you didn't even know was in there in the first place.

[345] The connections and like why he came to L .A., which is like, I didn't understand, didn't know why he came to Los Angeles and like, what a fucking little, you know, where he met a lot of the Manson followers.

[346] Yeah.

[347] Well, but the podcast I love even more because it's, there's no explanation and it's empty is someone knows something.

[348] Did you listen to the new episode?

[349] No, I'm not caught up.

[350] my lord are you mad at me no i'm like i'm that was a i can't deal with this podcast sigh because it's so good oh oh don't tell me i'm not going to tell you but you need to listen to the listen if you haven't listened to someone knows something listen from the very beginning it's the whole season is one is about one story and it's fucking incredible it's really good oh also i was going to say uh oh people were talking on the for the four minutes i was on the Facebook page.

[351] I'm just going to keep harping on it, like, as if I got kicked out on a personal level.

[352] Well, I did write a letter to Facebook.

[353] It was like, can you get this bitch out of here?

[354] Dia, Facebook.

[355] At one point, there was a whole thread about people liking or not liking certain podcasts.

[356] And I actually made this comment, but I don't think it ended up on there, which has started my problem of how I ended up getting kicked off.

[357] But what I was saying is, this is kind of the beauty of it.

[358] There's a million true crime podcast to listen to.

[359] And you and it really is like having to sit with people for an hour.

[360] So like, I remember there was a guy on the Facebook page that talked about how he didn't love our female ramblings and I could not stop laughing.

[361] He said that?

[362] Yeah, but it was like it was as if he liked it anyway where I was like, well, what the fuck else is there of not female ramblings on this fucking podcast?

[363] Our ramblings of being scared of being murdered when we're walking on the street?

[364] But still, my point is that everybody's looking for a certain thing in a podcast.

[365] And so, like, I love last podcast on the left because it's all the comedy I love.

[366] I adore Henry Sabrowski.

[367] Then you've got all this fucking research.

[368] So you're really being, there's so much takeaway.

[369] Like, there's just all, there's so many choices.

[370] So, uh, we know that when you fly, you have a lot of choices in the air.

[371] And thank you for flying with us.

[372] It is nice that like we, you can talk of, we talk about, we talk about, I do like that we talk about other podcasts and how much we like them and we promote them because I, you know, Yeah, we're not the only ones.

[373] We're doing something very specific, I think.

[374] Yeah.

[375] And, and, yeah.

[376] And even, like, I guess lore, someone did.

[377] Last week, mine was who put Bella and the witch elm.

[378] And I think they did it too.

[379] Last week?

[380] Yeah, I think so.

[381] Wow.

[382] So, but I love lore.

[383] I keep hearing about that one.

[384] Yeah, I do too.

[385] But I guarantee it's not the same thing that we did.

[386] And ours is probably, no. All right.

[387] People love your Banksy comment, by the way.

[388] Which was what was it?

[389] People were doing graffiti about who put Bella and the witch.

[390] And you go, that's where Banksie started.

[391] Jesus.

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[413] Hey, this is exciting.

[414] An all -new season of only murders in the building is coming to Hulu on August 27th.

[415] Steve Martin, Martin Short, and Selena Gomez are back as your favorite podcaster detectives.

[416] But there's a mystery hanging over everyone, who killed Saz?

[417] And were they really after Charles?

[418] Why would someone want to kill Charles?

[419] This season, murder hits close to home.

[420] With a threat against one of their own, the stakes are higher than ever.

[421] Plus, the gang is going to Hollywood to turn their podcast into a major movie.

[422] Amid the glitz and glamour of Los Angeles, more mysteries and twists arise.

[423] Who knows what will happen once the cameras start to roll?

[424] Get ready for the stariest season yet with Merrill Streep, Zach Alfenakis, Eugene Levy, Eva Longoria, Melissa McCarthy, Dayvine, Joy Randolph, Molly Shannon, and more.

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[426] Goodbye.

[427] Okay, Karen.

[428] So let's get into cannibalism.

[429] No, let's keep on talking about podcasting instead of actually doing it.

[430] That's what's really interesting.

[431] So I'm basically saying that when I looked, it's like Albert Fish, check.

[432] We've heard about it.

[433] We know about it.

[434] He's a fucking creepy old man. Then there was the guy.

[435] I did Albert.

[436] Did you really?

[437] No. Yes.

[438] did you really?

[439] I'm sorry but I'm sure it's going to be great okay go ahead shit sorry no you're I'm sorry now I'm afraid to say my second example but this is I'm just saying my thinking yeah I was trying to be exciting I get it you went classic I did go classic you did a classic I basically what I was saying is I don't I didn't feel like doing the serious homework because Albert Fisch killed fucking 400 people yeah there was a lot of info so I kind of I summarize okay good I I went uh which I think you might like because this is what you're just saying you like kind of a one hit wonder killer dig it it's the cannibal bus killer from manitoba and this was a thing that i remember it happened in 2008 when it came on the news i was by myself in my house of course and i was staring at the tv like what is happening and so here in a nutshell if you've never heard it it's insane on a grey town bus and they were going between Manitoba and Brandon, which I believe is a very small town, and it's a very long space between the two cities from what I gathered.

[440] So not a lot of places to stop and get food.

[441] Exactly.

[442] So you're hungry.

[443] It's just all these people on this bus.

[444] And at noon, a man named Vincent Lee got on the bus, and he went and he sat next to a guy named Tim McLean.

[445] Tim was asleep wearing headphones listening to music.

[446] He's a carnival worker.

[447] And he was 22.

[448] And at some point, an hour into the trip, at first, Lee was sitting up near the front, near the bus driver.

[449] And then he went back and sat next to McLean.

[450] Then he pulled out a machete.

[451] No. He started stabbing him.

[452] Don't.

[453] And he began to decapitate him.

[454] Have you ever seen a machete?

[455] No, in real life.

[456] Aren't those, like, really big?

[457] They're quite large.

[458] He had a concealed machete on his person.

[459] Okay, so he begins to decapitate him.

[460] So the bus driver, everyone, of course, now this is me filling in the blank.

[461] I would imagine started screaming.

[462] Sure.

[463] Right?

[464] But she could probably do that quietly.

[465] Oh my God.

[466] Yeah.

[467] Or like the staring where you can't scream because you can't take in what's happening.

[468] No, I mean he probably stab him, machete him quietly.

[469] Oh, no. No, he didn't.

[470] He didn't.

[471] No, because he was standing.

[472] Okay, he's one crazy.

[473] And everyone was around.

[474] You know what I mean?

[475] Like, it's a bus filled with people.

[476] The bus driver pulls over, opens the door.

[477] everyone runs off he there was they didn't the chronology didn't seem clear to me but it sounded like a couple of the men and the bus driver tried to go back to do something about it that's what I was going to say yeah and the killer had decapitated him and was holding his head up he was already decat and so they got off the bus was he decapitated was he was his head off before he died you die you die Once you cut that jugular, it goes very quickly.

[478] And also, he was stabbed in the chest and in the neck.

[479] I fucking hate cannibals.

[480] I hate this topic.

[481] This is, it's a terrible fucking topic.

[482] And this is, I think, the worst of.

[483] I went as bad as you can go.

[484] I did too.

[485] Yeah, yours is horrible.

[486] So let me get through mine.

[487] So we can get to you.

[488] Sorry.

[489] No, no, no. So they lock, they close the bus doors.

[490] and um they in the and barricade it somehow i think someone said that they threw up like a crowbar or something so that the bus doors wouldn't open the fucking guy vincently holds out the decapitated head and there's witness that eyewitness statements that say that he looked completely calm like nothing was happening and held it out and they this one guy said dropped it on the ground i don't know if that meant he held it out of the bus window and dropped it on the ground.

[491] But usually Greyhound bus windows don't work like that.

[492] So held it out and then dropped it inside the bus or whatever.

[493] And he was completely calm while he was doing this.

[494] Completely calm.

[495] And then started banging his own head against the window really hard over and over.

[496] And so what is happening?

[497] And this is as I was putting this together, I was like, well, cops come.

[498] Like this is a one -off.

[499] This is, you know, whatever, a crazy attack.

[500] like a berserk moment at the end.

[501] But they're so far out in the middle of nowhere it takes the cops it's this happened they got on the bus at noon and the cops showed up at 8 .30 at night.

[502] No. So I think there were a couple like an hour or so into this trip but like they were they had to sit on the side of the road.

[503] What would you have done?

[504] I would have latered so hard.

[505] Well yeah you just fucking go running but you're out in the middle of nowhere And what was that?

[506] I don't know.

[507] Someone's getting murdered.

[508] That was a weird.

[509] I think it.

[510] Hopefully it was laughing.

[511] It was laughing because my neighbors liked to play beer pong.

[512] Oh, okay.

[513] Yeah, we're fine.

[514] Jesus Christ.

[515] So.

[516] No, it was a, it was a maniacal.

[517] It sounded like a human -sized chicken.

[518] It was a maniacal human chicken cackle.

[519] And I'm just picturing this.

[520] So it's like you're sitting.

[521] So there's a guy having a psychotic episode, trapped on the bus and so as he he's either pacing back and forth on the bus or what has as they say in the Wikipedia article defiling the body so I went into a couple poor guy articles I know it's great but it was over for him fast I just let's both hold on to that family like no there it's awful for them it's terrible imagine living your life for 22 years just to be a defiled on a greyhound bus of all places I'm sure he did other great stuff though probably I mean to focus on that but here's a thing.

[522] So he's either, because let's not go too far down that, because it's going to ruin this part where I say, where I say he was either pacing up and down or defiling the body, which meant he poked out the eyes.

[523] Nope.

[524] Uh -huh.

[525] He was cutting off body parts.

[526] Um, when, when they, when the cops finally got there and they finally, it was 1 .30 in the morning when they finally tased him.

[527] Because they couldn't figure out how to, oh, one point, sorry, at one point, um, the killer tried to drive the bus away and the bus driver had like a, uh, uh, one of those things, like a remote making the bus not drive away.

[528] You know, those things.

[529] Um, uh, were people, do you think people were watching?

[530] I feel like I wouldn't watch.

[531] They said that people were sitting, huddled on the side of the road, crying and vomiting.

[532] Yeah.

[533] Freaking out.

[534] Sounds about right.

[535] But you're like, kind of stuck there.

[536] I'm sure you're trying not to go away from And you don't know where this guy's going to go Like I would Are people driving by?

[537] Can you hitchhike?

[538] I mean maybe But like You're also in a state of shock That's like the craziest thing to witness close up So when they got him Off the bus They had to bag up the body It was so badly Attacked And his nose And his nose nose ears and tongue was in this killer's pockets pockets he'd put them in his pockets oh my lord uh and he had also been eating him in that period of time and at one point he started screaming i will be on this bus forever what was so what did we find out about him so it turns out this was a man who had very bad schizophrenia he was a chinese immigrant who moved to canada who was like a computer engineer in China moved to Canada and of course had a bunch of shitty jobs three jobs at a time doing a lot of traveling in 2004 he started and when he was like I think in his early 30s he started hearing the quote unquote voice of God and so he had already been picked up once before for like the voice of God had been telling him to go here and go there and like the cops picked him up but he didn't know what schizophrenia was and so he was untreated for any mental problem so when this came around.

[539] He'd already been doing a bunch of weird shit.

[540] He had the machete on him.

[541] He had sold his laptop for 60 bucks to a kid at a bus stop.

[542] Well, that's how you know he's crazy.

[543] It's 60 bucks.

[544] It was a Dell.

[545] But he and he had become convinced that God wanted him to kill because aliens were going to attack.

[546] And it was the only way that people could be saved.

[547] The voice had told him that this guy sitting on this bus, he had to be killed to save everybody else.

[548] I mean, how do you argue with that?

[549] Reality is subjective.

[550] Yeah, and he's, he has no idea.

[551] Like, he's not in anywhere close to reality anymore.

[552] Yeah, there's no break.

[553] I mean like, oh, shit, I'm not doing well.

[554] No, no, no. No, he's fully like doing what the voices tell him mode.

[555] And on top of all of that, I mean, not just like, you've seen schizophrenic people on the street.

[556] He's in, he's way past.

[557] that because he fucking ate parts of this guy.

[558] So now he's so that happened in 2008.

[559] The most recent article I found was from February 26, 2016.

[560] He has been in a mental hospital all this time and slowly but surely since he's been on this medication.

[561] Oh, when he was arrested, he just kept telling people to kill him.

[562] So he was like he knew what he did.

[563] He like became aware slowly but surely or maybe that was in court when he first appeared in court he said you should kill me i want to die um then i read another interview with him that was from like two years ago where someone said are you happy and he said no and then he said i will never be happy um but the most recent article i can live with that i can live with him never being happy well how could you be i mean like it's a horrifying thing even if you get sane you have the realization that you did this thing yeah go on so yeah he's in a prison but he just won the right to live on his own and he's changed his name to Will Baker explain my face right now yeah George's entire face dropped four inches when I just said he won the right to live on his own yeah they in Canada it's like basically he's solely but surely and he's thoroughly monitored so it just means he doesn't live in a group home I just rolled my eyes so hard my head hurts I know it's you should see these Reddit the conversations that people are having between we you know mentally ill people need to be able to learn to live in reality and people going he ate this man's eyes like crazy as someone with like basic run -of -the -mill depression and anxiety i know that the first instinct when you start taking pills and they work is that you say i'm fine now and you stop taking them yeah yes that's yeah that's the instinct and with this guy which several people argued on reddit when he stops taking his pills people get eaten and macheteed on a bus.

[564] I can't breathe.

[565] It's crazy.

[566] It's very terrible.

[567] At the time, a greyhound was running an ad campaign that was, there's a reason you've never heard of bus rage, and they had to cancel that campaign.

[568] And also bullshit from the beginning.

[569] Have you been on a fucking greyhound?

[570] Yeah, exactly.

[571] The Greyhound is one of the scariest ways.

[572] I took one right in my life, and it was very pleasant.

[573] It was from San Francisco to here, but I fucking know how not normal that is.

[574] How old are you?

[575] 27.

[576] Because when I was like in eighth grade, I took the Rahan bus from Petaluma to Yucaya.

[577] Your parents let you do that?

[578] Yeah.

[579] I think my mom thought it would be like good experience or whatever, which is like, yeah, you'd think, oh yeah, nothing can happen.

[580] Like what would happen.

[581] Anything can fucking happen.

[582] Anything.

[583] I mean, whatever.

[584] Especially when we clearly have known from this podcast from the beginning that everything terrible that has ever happened happens in Northern California.

[585] That's, it's, there's like, there's like the early meth era.

[586] Oh, totally.

[587] I mean, we did meth before anybody did math.

[588] Oh, man. You and I are like original math heads.

[589] We're, which is why we got over it.

[590] O -G meth crew.

[591] Yeah, it's like biker meth.

[592] Totally.

[593] And, um, there was also PETA tried to run an ad in the local newspaper about comparing this murder to, um, eating animals.

[594] And the newspaper was like, get fuck your stuff.

[595] self, which I love.

[596] Go fuck yourself is like what I'm going to say when someone sneezes from now on.

[597] Go fuck yourself.

[598] Did she just say?

[599] She didn't just...

[600] She did not say that to me. And I guess in closing and in summation, if you go read the details of this, there's...

[601] What was his name again so we can look it up?

[602] His name, the killer's name was Vincent Lee L .I is how he spell his last name, L .I. But he has legally changed.

[603] it to Will Baker now.

[604] And I'm sure that people are, there's death threats left right and center for this guy.

[605] So I don't it's such a terrible scenario.

[606] But yeah, I feel like, I was trying to suss out my feelings on it.

[607] It's like I, yeah, I feel like after you machete and eat a person on a bus, you don't, you just don't get to ever leave a mental hospital, even if your pills work.

[608] No. Even if you're sad.

[609] Totally.

[610] Especially if you're sad.

[611] Yeah.

[612] This is, okay, I got to say part of the reason I did I chose Albert Fish is because I didn't want to choose someone who's still alive because the majority of those people who have fucking done this are out of prison.

[613] Yeah.

[614] And I didn't want to piss off some satanic fucking vampire cannibalist person.

[615] Yeah.

[616] That makes sense.

[617] I highly doubt he can get a passport though.

[618] So I feel really guilty about what I said about Albert Fish because I couldn't be more interested.

[619] Oh, I know.

[620] I don't care.

[621] I mean, I care.

[622] Are you going to stop texting me?

[623] I need you in my life.

[624] I meant that I know that you weren't being negative about it.

[625] Okay.

[626] Okay.

[627] The reason, is there anything you want to add to that?

[628] I'm sorry, I cut you off.

[629] No, no, no. Um, no, um, no, just, you know, watch out for machetes.

[630] That is a good one off one because I do, it is interesting that this person just, they didn't just snap.

[631] No. No, that's untreated a mental illness, advanced mental illness.

[632] If you think God is talking to you, if you think aliens are doing anything, you need pills.

[633] Listen, we all wish aliens and go.

[634] existed but you're probably just mentally ill it could be that or look even if even if they do or whatever but if god is telling you stuff that's when you got it like you really have to go to the doctor please my cat tells me stuff all the time oh I'm sure that's fine but it's usually sweet stuff yeah kill your neighbor kill your neighbor in the sweetest voice I love you kill your name all right so I did Albert fish because it troubled me so much when I first heard about it because I think it was like it was one of his first kidnapping was in 1924 so yeah his first kidnapping was in 1924 which is like one of the earliest recorded nope it's just or an early kidnapping which I'm always fascinated with vintage oh did you think I was arguing with you yeah I was going like holy fuck like nope I thought you were shaking your head no no no I was thinking about like that's back before phone probably most people had phones their house right this is like so early days of like if a kid goes missing they're like they're at their friends well they yeah and because especially you know these are all in a lot of people are immigrants child labor is a thing so kids kids aren't kids they're tiny hands to do day labor with it's like the dark ages yeah 1924 yeah in new york city so yeah so it's actually i'm sorry it's hamilton howard quote albert fish uh born in 1870.

[635] He's known as the gray man, the werewolf of Wisteria, the Brooklyn vampire, the moon maniac, and the boogeyman.

[636] Oh, he's the boogeyman.

[637] Yeah.

[638] I've heard a lot about him.

[639] Yes.

[640] So he was born, his mom put him into an orphanage pretty early and he was immediately treated sadistically.

[641] So he was like bred to be a serial killer.

[642] Yeah.

[643] Um, Then he began to enjoy the physical pain, which is like, oh, you're doubly.

[644] And then he remarked on his time at the orphanage, I was there until I was nearly nine.

[645] And that's when I got started wrong.

[646] We were unmercifully whipped.

[647] I saw boys doing many things that they should not have done.

[648] I don't know what accent I was going for in that whole entire thing.

[649] I liked it.

[650] It was a light British.

[651] Thank you.

[652] It was kind of like a Catherine Hepburn thing.

[653] Oh, thank you.

[654] You know, high class.

[655] Yeah.

[656] I'm wearing pants.

[657] so okay so there's all this there's all i'm gonna paraphrase it there's a lot of shit about him being into weird stuff like drinking urine and learning about eating bodies and how good it tasted and like lots of little things like that as a kid as a kid and as he grew up um he had he had six children that he never physically attacked supposedly wow which is burnanas um although he did encourage them and their friends how embarrassing would this be.

[658] To peddle his buttocks with the same nail -studded paddle he used to abuse himself.

[659] Sounds like a real fun guy.

[660] Like, so you're at your friend's house like, hey, come over and we'll play with this hoop and stick like we like to in the 20s.

[661] And then the dad comes down.

[662] I was like, guys, come over here.

[663] Paddle my butt.

[664] Oh.

[665] With nails in a bore?

[666] How did that even, I mean, I'm telling.

[667] I'm telling.

[668] I'm telling.

[669] Yeah.

[670] Yeah.

[671] Yeah.

[672] So he got into raw meat.

[673] He started suffering from psychosis.

[674] He got into raw meat.

[675] He started eating raw meat because he was like obsessed with cannibalism.

[676] He felt that God was commanding him to torture and sexually mutilate children.

[677] Ding, ding, red flag.

[678] Hey, call the cops on yourself.

[679] Well, yeah.

[680] So the murder that really stuck out for me of him that I've always was so troubled with.

[681] And when I think back about murder, I think, of this was Grace Budd.

[682] Basically, Fish saw a classified ad in the Sunday edition of the New York world that read, Young Man, 18, wishes, position in country.

[683] So he basically answered an ad for someone needing work in Manhattan.

[684] He visited the family under the pretense of hiring this guy.

[685] And later, he confessed that he was actually going to kill this guy.

[686] And then he met the daughter, Grace Budd, and was like, nope, going to kill this one and eat her instead.

[687] So, let's see.

[688] He met Grace and he made up a story about having to attend his niece's birthday party.

[689] And this is the fucking time.

[690] They just let her go with this nicely dressed, probably old man. Who came to their house to respond to a one.

[691] wanted ad?

[692] Yeah, but he had come a couple times.

[693] Okay.

[694] Which is like trusted.

[695] That's friends.

[696] Yep.

[697] And like you let your kids go places.

[698] And that thing of like always trusting authority.

[699] Yeah.

[700] It's like, oh, he's got a pocket watch.

[701] Nothing can happen.

[702] Yeah.

[703] My mom's doctor as a child made out with her as a small child.

[704] And you, because you just, and she didn't tell anyone, because you just fucking trust authority.

[705] You trust grownups.

[706] Wow.

[707] Should I not have told that.

[708] It's okay.

[709] My mom doesn't have the last name.

[710] me. So it's fine.

[711] Yeah.

[712] You just trust people.

[713] Well, it's mind -blowing.

[714] It's just mind -blowing of like a doctor, you would never, I would never think that.

[715] Yeah, it's that thing of like, I wonder would I have said something back then, you know, if an older person had done something inappropriate.

[716] You trust, you trust them.

[717] And if they're good, they know how to shame you and to keep your mouth shut.

[718] Totally.

[719] Well, he convinced the parents to let Grace accompany him to the party that evening.

[720] And Grace left with fish and never returned.

[721] And thanks.

[722] he sent them a fucking letter.

[723] I'm going to read a part of it.

[724] Okay.

[725] So he was talking about cannibalism and about the olden days and saying that there was a famine in China, meat of any kind was from one to three dollars or pounds.

[726] So great was the suffering among the very poor that all children under 12 were sold for food in order to keep others from starving.

[727] A boy or girl under 14 was not safe in the street.

[728] You could go in any shop and ask for steak.

[729] And part of the naked body of a boy or girl would be.

[730] brought out and just what you wanted cut from it.

[731] This is why I had a problem with cannibalism is the majority of it was with children.

[732] Yes.

[733] Sorry, this is his letter to the family.

[734] This is word for word.

[735] This is part of his letter.

[736] I don't think I've ever read any of this before.

[737] And then here's more.

[738] On Sunday, June 3rd, 1928, I called on you.

[739] I brought pot, cheese, and strawberries.

[740] We had lunch.

[741] Grace sat in my lap and kissed me. I made up my mind to eat her.

[742] On the pretense of taking her to a party, you said, she could go.

[743] I took her to an empty house in Westchester.

[744] I had already picked out.

[745] There's some fucked up things about it that I'm not reading because they really, really troubled me more so than him eating her.

[746] I know.

[747] Basically, he says how sweet and tender her little ass was roasted in the oven.

[748] It's so, it troubled me to my core and it probably is troubling people listening to this right now, which is why I'm like, why am I reading this one?

[749] Well, I'm Because everyone's already read it.

[750] Here's the thing about Albert Fish.

[751] You read those first two, you read the byline of Albert Fish, which is like cannibal molested and killed 400 children or whatever that crazy number is, you're going to get to this part no matter what.

[752] He was a fucking sadist.

[753] Yeah.

[754] Like when it comes to torture and molestation and all this.

[755] And torturing the family.

[756] Yeah.

[757] He wrote multiple letters to people, kids who had kidnapped their families.

[758] A psychiatrist described him as looking like a meek and innocuous little old man, gentle and benevolent, friendly and polite.

[759] If you wanted someone to entrust your child to, he would be the one you chose.

[760] And if you look him up, which you can, there's a fucking his mugshot and a couple shots from him in the court.

[761] He looks like a little old meek man. I'm going to look him up right now.

[762] Do it.

[763] Just so I get the visual.

[764] He boasted that he had children in every state and that one time stated that the number was about a hundred.

[765] It's not known whether he was referring to rapes or cannibalism, nor is it known if the statement was truthful.

[766] He confessed to molesting more than 400 children over 20 years and is believed to have murdered somewhere between six and 15 children.

[767] He confessed all these and he was electrocuted.

[768] When he was electrocuted in Sing Sing, he said that the electrocution would be the supreme thrill of my life.

[769] just before the switch was slipped he was a fucking asshole he was an asshole before the switch was slipped he said I don't even know why I'm here and legend has it and I think this isn't a legend this is true that his execution took longer because he was really into stuffing needles up his penis and the numerous needles inserted into his privates disrupted the flow of electricity how on you know how fucking orphanage and being raped and tortured as a child are you looking on him right now.

[770] Yeah, but there's also people, this is why I love the internet.

[771] Oh, no. His face is very disturbing.

[772] The eyes are dead.

[773] Like, the eyes are no good.

[774] But then people are making what look like inspirational posters.

[775] Because he looks like Albert Einstein a little bit.

[776] Yeah.

[777] It's like he says none of us are saints.

[778] Albert Fish is the quote.

[779] He's a little, like he's a little Henry Fordy looking.

[780] So you wouldn't know.

[781] Yeah.

[782] And he does look.

[783] His, his cheeks are all sunken.

[784] Yeah.

[785] So he looks like he couldn't do anything to anybody.

[786] He looks weak.

[787] Totally.

[788] That's hilariously hideous.

[789] Man, I'm so glad we live in these days and times when you drive your children from your front door to wherever they're going and back again.

[790] And you don't ever let your daughter take a greyhound bus to you, Kaya.

[791] Oh my God.

[792] Are you kidding me?

[793] I would never.

[794] It's so crazy.

[795] How old were you when you did that?

[796] I believe I was 12.

[797] So your niece is 11 My niece is 9 Okay Let's say she's Yeah In two, three years That she's gonna take She's gonna take a four -hour Greyhound bus If you heard your sister let her do that Never Would you come and Fucking smack your sister in the face?

[798] I would call the police on my own sister I don't even know what I would do The funniest thing is The Greyhound bus Like the bus is The mode of transportation for people Who have lost their driver's license for some terrible reason.

[799] Like there's not great, it's not a great collection of souls.

[800] No. I mean, look at an airplane and that's expensive.

[801] Yes.

[802] It's a bunch of fucking assholes and depraved human beings.

[803] And you can't.

[804] Taking their shoes off and sticking them on the wall in front of you.

[805] And then add to that that you can stop and get fucking fried chicken and bring it on, not that I don't like fried chicken, but like.

[806] But it doesn't smell good after.

[807] Well, this is the thing.

[808] There was a guy that took his shoes off next to me when I flew back from New York.

[809] Nope.

[810] A couple weekends ago.

[811] And I wanted to turn to him and say, you are high if you don't think your feet smell.

[812] My feet are right in front of your face right now.

[813] Yeah, but you're, you're clearly, your shoes have been off all day.

[814] This guy literally was like, take both shoes off, like, first time his shoes had been off in a while.

[815] No. And they stunk.

[816] And I was just like, what are you doing?

[817] Oh, and then he took out his machete.

[818] And then he stabbed me in the neck, severed my head, held it out, dropped it on the ground.

[819] I hope we never get stabbed.

[820] Yeah.

[821] I hope.

[822] You know what I hope?

[823] I never.

[824] And if you haven't seen 10 Cloverfield Lane, I recommend it.

[825] It was a real thrill ride.

[826] Yeah, I want to see that.

[827] But here's a spoiler alert.

[828] So if this was going to bug you, don't listen for the next 15 seconds.

[829] It has those things that makes me so angry in a movie where suddenly someone gets teaboned in their car.

[830] It's like a real life car accident.

[831] Out of nowhere.

[832] That's what I hope doesn't happen to me because it makes me so mad.

[833] Like when that happens in a movie.

[834] When they surprise the show.

[835] shit out of you.

[836] And it's so fucking loud and it's so real.

[837] Yeah.

[838] It's glass everywhere.

[839] Yeah.

[840] That's why I hate, I was watching a TV show the other day.

[841] And it, like, there's no, there was no car accident in it.

[842] There was no reason for me to, it's like a togetherness on HBO.

[843] Like, there's no reason for there to be a car accident.

[844] But the guy was not looking at the road so much that I couldn't concentrate on what they were saying because I was wanting for them to get fucking teaboned.

[845] Just look at the road or like have this conversation and not a car.

[846] Yes.

[847] Or just, People have conversations looking forward all the time.

[848] Wait, Albert Fish molested how many kids?

[849] Hundreds, right?

[850] Yeah.

[851] He says that he, do, do, do it.

[852] One time stated the number was about 100.

[853] He confessed to molesting more than 400 children over 20 years.

[854] So he's probably lying.

[855] Yeah, how does he even get around that many kids?

[856] Although he did have six of his own.

[857] Right.

[858] But supposedly he didn't quote, abuse.

[859] them but what does that mean well but they but their friends would come on right having paddling sessions well they're weird to is that his wife left him and left the children do you think she was just so I mean who the fuck leaves their children with what is probably a psychopath and she knows it yeah that's horrifying only or she was just like I gotta get out but you gotta wonder what happened like someone we know is an ancestor of alberfish because we've been in New York a lot that's right we know a lot of people that's true like he probably still but that you know they all change their name this guy's so famous but probably like there's someone who's like a third cousin I want to talk about how weird it it sorry go ahead I was like I don't know what cousin third great cousin I don't know yeah some distant relative just how weird it is that somebody would get off on eating someone what connection like like when people get molested and then they become molesters it's because it happened to them they it's association or whatever but like you've never eaten a person before the first time you eat a person it's got I would imagine in my mind it's this narcissistic it's the ultimate taboo yes that's true and you're gonna break it yeah and and this means you're on top so yeah that's true especially a child that's what really about this cannibalism thing is like so many parents who've eaten their children that I couldn't, it was very hard for me to pick one.

[860] Yeah.

[861] Just one.

[862] That's very true.

[863] Also, you know, it's interesting.

[864] Have you ever heard of the family, Sonny Bean, which was the Scottish family that lived in a huge cave, and they would, this was like in the 1600s, I think.

[865] Oh, my God, no. And they would pick travelers off of the road.

[866] And so people would go and disappear in, like, the, I can't remember, it was like, the Scottish Highlands are northern England.

[867] and they end up the cops find this cave and it's this huge family and all these bones and basically they are just eating people or whatever and so for years I heard the story and was like that's so fascinating they should make a movie about it blah blah blah I think they may have tried to well of course because this is the era that we live in now it's always the era of that didn't really happen and apparently that was the whole sonny bean family lore was made up by the British political people to be like this is what the Scottish are like That's why they need to be Savages.

[868] Yeah, they're savages They need to be invaded And they need to be ruled Not surprised by that at all Yeah Oh my Lord That scared the shit out of me Hi Vince, come in Hi We're talking about cannibals And then the door unlocked And their pizza came in Hi That's how they get you They open the door with a key Karen, do that scare you?

[869] It scared me a lot.

[870] Okay, I'm going to read you a couple things.

[871] Or should we save it for the minisode?

[872] No, do it.

[873] Okay.

[874] So I put, I, who was watching a murder show today?

[875] 48 hours on ID.

[876] And they said something that made me laugh.

[877] And so I put it on the Facebook group and I said, does this make you guys laugh?

[878] What makes you laugh?

[879] And it was that they quote said, Life seemed to move a little slower there when they were described.

[880] the town which is like fucking grisly murder happened and I'm like well if life seems to move a little slower in your town chances are someone's going to get murdered and I said what are other classic triggers and here's what some people wrote so like the things that they say in these murders so think of this as in Keith Morrison's voice quiet and unassuming means they're going to be killing people he mostly kept to himself is deaf, a murderer.

[881] This is what people wrote.

[882] She lit up a room when she walked in.

[883] You're going to get murdered.

[884] He was such a nice guy, Toots murderer.

[885] She really did get along with everyone.

[886] Murdered.

[887] Murdered.

[888] Vivacious.

[889] Murdered.

[890] Full of potential.

[891] Murdered as hell.

[892] Unassuming equals assume murder.

[893] Very successful father plus charity volunteering, tennis playing mom equals one of the kids is going to off them for the money.

[894] yes she had everything going for her if someone has suffered years of bad luck and shitty life circumstances only to find that lately everything is working out and that life is indeed worth living murder um quote from the outside it was picture perfect equals dad is stealing money and everyone is about to be murdered yes if she loves to run she's gonna get murdered like jogging yeah she had just turned her life around she got off drugs got sober and got a very good job equals she's a goner Yes.

[895] Yeah.

[896] If he'd give you the shirt off his back, he's going to get murdered.

[897] Yeah, he is.

[898] Someone wrote, World Wind Romance equals Molly, you in danger, girl.

[899] Instant best friends with everyone.

[900] Never met a stranger means, it says every date line opening ever.

[901] Never met a stranger.

[902] Meet a fucking stranger right now on that day.

[903] You do it all.

[904] You know what?

[905] You should meet strangers.

[906] You're an idiot.

[907] Someone says, it was such a nice night for sleeping with the windows open.

[908] And then I'll read one more.

[909] Oh, he loved her very much and wanted to show her the view from his favorite mountain peak slash hiking trail.

[910] And so that your smile better not light up a room.

[911] That's so true.

[912] My version of that, but it's not going to be the poetic version, but it's just basically the guy that's the doctor.

[913] Yeah.

[914] Any doctor on any of their shows.

[915] Yeah.

[916] did it they always they always they always kill everybody like super nice doctor with the rich wife another the maybe she yeah maybe she comes from a rich family and like what why are you getting in debt yes yeah and then he's got now he's got a 21 year old and he's going to kill his wife if one of you got if one of the married couple got the other one into debt the one who got into debt is going to kill the other one yes the one who owes yep yeah yeah Yep, does the deed.

[917] Yeah.

[918] Why not?

[919] Just kill them.

[920] So that means everyone get into debt before your love one can.

[921] So they'll kill you.

[922] It's a race to the bottom.

[923] If you're worth nothing to them, why would they kill you?

[924] And ask for no money when you divorce them.

[925] Otherwise, you're going to die.

[926] That's hilarious.

[927] This is what we learned.

[928] That's like City Confidential isn't on anymore.

[929] But I used to love that one because the narrator was like, it was a sleepy little towel.

[930] Sleepy little enclave.

[931] It was an enclave.

[932] It was an enclave.

[933] and he always sounded a little drunk, which I loved.

[934] That was that guy that was from Star Wars.

[935] Was it really?

[936] Yes.

[937] I don't...

[938] Oh, shit, I didn't know that.

[939] Well, should we tell everyone where to find us?

[940] Yes.

[941] Okay.

[942] We are at...

[943] What's your address?

[944] My home address is...

[945] Karen Kilgariff at Twitter.

[946] Karen Kilgher at Twitter.

[947] G. Hardstock at Twitter.

[948] We're at My Fave Murder.

[949] My Fave Murder.

[950] At Twitter.

[951] And then you can email us your hometown murder, which we're probably going to do a little episode eventually of a bunch of your stories at My Favorite Murder at Gmail.

[952] And please join the Facebook group at My Favorite Murder Facebook group.

[953] I don't know.

[954] It's a closed group.

[955] So you have to join to fucking get into the murder action.

[956] Oh, and here's an important thing that was making me laugh.

[957] People wrote this a lot.

[958] If you are from Canada or the UK or Europe of any kind, there's no you in favorite, you fool.

[959] People kept writing.

[960] Well, I didn't realize you guys.

[961] spelled favorite incorrectly.

[962] Incorrect.

[963] Yeah, fair enough.

[964] Fine.

[965] We spelled it second, so.

[966] We already kissed their ass in the beginning for listening.

[967] You know what?

[968] We saved your asses in Vietnam.

[969] No, I'm kidding.

[970] I don't know.

[971] That doesn't even mean any.

[972] What do I believe that?

[973] We saved your asses in Vietnam in the Korean War.

[974] We saved you.

[975] That is the best thing to say to somebody, a French person.

[976] we saved your ass.

[977] Oh, I thought you were talking about our listeners.

[978] You know, you guys, we saved your asses in Vietnam.

[979] Yeah.

[980] But to say to a French person who, who they has to hear that about World War 2 all the time, which isn't true.

[981] And you just get the war wrong?

[982] Yeah.

[983] Completely wrong.

[984] I love it.

[985] We saved your asses in the Civil War.

[986] You should be thanking me. You should be thanking me for your freedom.

[987] Yeah.

[988] I think that's all, right?

[989] That's everything.

[990] Oh, tonight's the last episode of.

[991] the Simpsons It's Overgirl We're gonna watch that so hard Molly you in danger girl OJ you in danger girl OJ you in danger girl Okay we're gonna watch We're both gonna watch that And then we're gonna talk about it next week Yes Because I bet it's gonna be good Do you think he gets off?

[992] What if he does?

[993] What if they take it in a new direction?

[994] I mean why the fuck not It's a creative reimagining Yeah All right that's it for us Thanks for listening so much Please rate review and subscribe and tell a friend about it.

[995] Yeah.

[996] And most of all, stay sexy.

[997] Okay.

[998] Bye.

[999] We saved you in Vietnam.

[1000] Bye.