#1635 - Katie Spotz

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[3] Okay, hello, Katie.

[4] How are you?

[5] What's happening?

[6] Yeah, not much.

[7] Not much at all.

[8] This is very uneventful for you.

[9] It's funny that you're nervous to do this, but yet you're not nervous to row a boat.

[10] Well, you might have been nervous.

[11] Were you nervous to row across the Atlantic?

[12] I definitely was nervous, and I think, like, that is a good thing to be able to channel that energy to, you know, make sure bad that.

[13] things don't happen, but that was definitely more of my comfort zone than doing something like this.

[14] Is that the great, well, obviously it's the craziest thing you've ever done, right?

[15] I shouldn't say obviously.

[16] Well, I think that like the last endurance challenge, it was like running 33 hours straight.

[17] And I think that hit my physical limit more than the row did.

[18] Like after the row, I felt like my body could probably continue going.

[19] But it was just, yeah, more mentally challenging.

[20] How did you get started doing these kind of things?

[21] So I would definitely consider myself more like an accidental adventure.

[22] So I had to take a gym class to get my high school diploma.

[23] And through process of elimination, I wanted to find like the easiest A because at that point I was like a bench warmer and I didn't really excel in in those team.

[24] sports.

[25] So the EZA was a walking running class.

[26] And I signed up just like trying to do the bare minimum.

[27] And it was during that class where I was like, okay, I'm already forced to be here.

[28] I might as well try to run.

[29] And I set that target of running one mile straight.

[30] And I never thought I could do that.

[31] And so when I did run one mile straight, it was probably equivalent to people who run a marathon, you know, like just feeling like really elated and that's the seed that planted all the adventures to come.

[32] It's really just that one mile and realizing that I was limiting myself by what what I thought was possible and one mile turned into two, two into three and that was really how I did my first marathon and every event was like started from really that place.

[33] that one mile.

[34] So you were sort of an athletic underachiever or a not interested in athletics person?

[35] So in middle school, I like most people, did all the sports, all the team sports.

[36] And the focus was like, oh, hey, let's hang out, let's make friends.

[37] And my priority was definitely, like, just hanging out with friends.

[38] I didn't have that, like, competitive sense about it.

[39] And once it got too competitive, I kind of checked out because I was like, why are you guys making a big deal about this?

[40] Do you know what I mean?

[41] Like when you see it when like the parents are more invested and you're like, settle down.

[42] So when it became stressful and not fun, that's when I checked out and I didn't really have interest in that.

[43] And so when it became my own, when it became something that was very internally driven and not anything other than the pure curiosity.

[44] I would say that people who do athletic things, like, they could be driven by many things.

[45] And I would say at the core, one of the driving factors is just, like, a kid -like wonder of, like, can I climb a tree?

[46] Can I do this?

[47] Can I do that?

[48] And it's, like, I think curiosity is very underrated in that, like, it could really propel you.

[49] to see what's possible.

[50] And so curiosity time and time and again has like brought me to do things that I never imagined doing.

[51] Do you still think back to that first mile, like completing that first mile and that elation, the feeling of elation where you were like, oh my God, like a new doors opened?

[52] All the time.

[53] Like some of my friends now that like I'm more in ultra running, it's like we'll, we'll hear ourselves.

[54] I mean, I'm not exempt from this, but saying things like, oh, it's just a mile or just five mile or just a marathon or just whatever you want to adjust it.

[55] But like I still don't feel like I've lost sight of that because, I mean, I know this is kind of harsh, but like sometimes I say to my friends, like, we'll tell that to someone who can't walk.

[56] Like, it really is worthy of celebrating every step, every mile.

[57] And so I mean, yeah, I think.

[58] think there's like it's just one achievement opens the door to other ones and so yeah I definitely don't feel like I've lost that sense and I think that's important to keep just so I don't know it keeps you in that humble state rather than expecting that just because you did it you can yeah it really is interesting how people are limited by their own their previous experiences and what they've sort of established as their boundaries.

[59] Yeah.

[60] And then you see them expand past those boundaries, and then it changes them.

[61] Totally.

[62] It changes who you are.

[63] I mean, like, one of the things that I'll get now is like, oh, I could never run a marathon.

[64] And my first thing is like, oh, which ones have you tried?

[65] And of course, they're like, no, I've never tried.

[66] And I'm like, well, there you go.

[67] You actually have to try.

[68] And if you haven't tried, then you really don't know if that's truthful that you can't run a marathon so um yeah i think we get in our own ways more than than anything else and i'm not saying like you know there it was my first mile running was very like not graceful it was like basically i was like i want to get this over with as fast as possible so i was completely winded i didn't know how to pace myself and like um i don't know the whole like reason behind it but It's like you have that metal mouth.

[69] Do you know about that?

[70] Yeah.

[71] It's like when something, I don't, do you know the science behind that?

[72] I don't.

[73] But it's like there's like a metallic thing in your mouth.

[74] Yeah, it almost tastes.

[75] And it's because like you're pushing almost like too hard and it's like bursting something in your lungs.

[76] But yeah, so clearly.

[77] Really?

[78] It's bursting something in your lung?

[79] I think so.

[80] Maybe it's blood?

[81] Yeah.

[82] Because blood does have sort of a metallic copper -like taste to it.

[83] Anyways, I didn't know how to paste.

[84] myself because stuff like that would happen and be like oh okay so you went too hard too fast yeah and that's not what endurance is about so no it's about steady yeah right totally like um yeah like understanding aerobic and anaerobic and like just basically being able to talk the whole time and right so you start off with this first mile and then you eventually work your way up to all these challenges and then eventually you decide i am going to row across the atlantic ocean by myself yeah so okay so the row um i was on a bus right and i was like talking to someone sitting next to me and we were talking about endurance challenges and um i was a stubborn know -it -all 19 year old so of course I was like, oh, I've heard it all.

[85] I know people climb Mount Everest.

[86] I know people sail around the world.

[87] I know about all these things.

[88] And then he mentioned his friend rode across the Atlantic.

[89] And that was like that just stopped me in my tracks.

[90] Like, what?

[91] Like people can do that?

[92] Like I never, it was so far beyond anything I ever imagined.

[93] And I think like with endurance, what's so cool.

[94] about endurance is like at a certain point everyone's body hurts right so what makes endurance like a really cool experience is seeing how the human will and how like determination how a strong mind like you it's a requirement because everyone no matter how fast or slow you are is going through that that mental wall and so um yeah i found out about ocean rowing and i was really captivated not only buy that mental component because, like, if you do a marathon, you go home, you take your shower, you have people cheering you on, but ocean rolling, you're stripped raw of that.

[95] And something about that was intriguing to me because it's like, okay, how can you dig deep internally when you don't have the finish line, you know, whatever party and like the swag and the people and the nice cozy bed.

[96] And I just kind of, I liked that idea of like being so stripped raw that you have to dig deeper than you ever would if you didn't have all those other externals.

[97] So, yeah, I found out about it on a bus.

[98] I went home and went and Googled everything I could about ocean rowing.

[99] And it was at a time where I did my first ultramarathon.

[100] So it was like a hundred kilometer run or 62 miles and it was again one of those moments where I was like I never thought I could do that and my body proved otherwise so what are all the other things that I'm saying I can't do but maybe I can so it was really that information at that particular time where I was like really open to the idea of wow maybe it is possible but it was a matter of like researching everything it was like, oh, I got to do this.

[101] It was, oh, I got to find out everything.

[102] Because, I mean, if someone told you, someone rode across the Atlantic, wouldn't the first thing be like, is that really true?

[103] Like, so, I mean, that was the first place I looked.

[104] Like, are people legitimately doing that?

[105] How much time was it between you finding out about it and you actually doing it?

[106] Two years.

[107] That's not very long.

[108] No. What kind of training did you do?

[109] Um, so, like, physical training, like, compared to doing, like, I've trained for, like, iron mans and then train for adventures, like, purely physical to, like, these more adventure -type things.

[110] And, like, training for an Iron Man, 90 % is, like, what you're doing in the gym.

[111] For ocean rowing and for, like, the more adventure -type athletic pursuits, I would say that, like, 90 % was, like, the logistics.

[112] Like you could be the most fit person in the world, but if you don't have a boat, what does it matter?

[113] So I spent most of my time just like sorting out through all the logistics, the sponsorship, getting the gear, training with the gear.

[114] But yeah, like my training priorities for rowing and ocean were injury prevention.

[115] So I did a lot with like strengthening my core and my lower back.

[116] And then on the weekends is when I would do like a six to eight hours.

[117] row, training row, just to get more to get used to the boat and the equipment more than anything else.

[118] And you would go on a lake?

[119] Lake Erie, yeah, yes.

[120] Now, how fast do you go on this boat?

[121] Like, maybe I would go like 30 miles a day?

[122] No, no. How fast, like, per hour?

[123] Three, two or three miles.

[124] Two or three miles per hour.

[125] So basically like the speed of walking.

[126] Yeah, so my boat was a 19 foot row boat.

[127] It was like 400 pounds, but once it was fully loaded, it was 1 ,000 pounds.

[128] So it did have like a sliding seat.

[129] Yes.

[130] Okay, so I had a sliding seat.

[131] So that meant that like my legs and my back were the main source of like power.

[132] But I think the best like you mean a sliding seat like a rowing machine exactly so like so that helps you it means that like the power was coming from the most powerful parts of my body not in my arms so some people assume like oh it's just your upper body it's just your arms but in fact it's more your legs and back but um so this thing's going two or three miles an hour correct and how many miles is the Atlantic Ocean.

[133] How many miles are crossed?

[134] 3 ,000.

[135] Yeah, 3 ,000.

[136] So.

[137] Oh, my God.

[138] Don't think about it.

[139] Just don't even think about it.

[140] Oh, my God.

[141] That's so far.

[142] That's so far.

[143] It was the worst reaching the halfway point just because like...

[144] How long did it take you the whole trip?

[145] 70 days.

[146] 70 days.

[147] That's not that bad when you think about it.

[148] How far you went.

[149] Yeah, I would say so.

[150] Yeah, I anticipated it would be 70 or a hundred days.

[151] Oh my God, that's a big gap.

[152] I had 30 days of extra food.

[153] Oh, that's good.

[154] Yeah.

[155] Yeah.

[156] Was anybody monitoring you?

[157] I had like a tracker so people could like look online and see where I was.

[158] But there wasn't like a follow boat or anything like that.

[159] Oof.

[160] What were those nights like?

[161] It was pretty amazing.

[162] Yeah.

[163] So of course the stars were amazing, like shooting stars and just like, Like, yeah, breathtaking.

[164] And then what surprised me, like, I thought it was like, wait, is this real?

[165] Am I hallucinating?

[166] But the, I think the most stunning part was actually looking in the water because they had, like, this type of glowing plankton.

[167] So it was like a phosphorescence.

[168] So sometimes I would see things glowing in a distance.

[169] And then all around my boat, any time my oar hit the water, like, I would see all of that.

[170] Wow.

[171] Yeah, like I was so busy planning the trip and the logistics that I didn't know like what wildlife I'd see.

[172] And so that was definitely like a pleasant surprise to see that must have been really crazy.

[173] Yeah.

[174] Have you ever seen?

[175] No, no, I've seen it on video.

[176] See you can find a video of it.

[177] What is it called?

[178] It's bioluminescence, but there are like Puerto Rico is probably the closest place to hear that has really good bioluminescence too.

[179] like yeah so that it really looked like that yeah around my boat yes that's amazing very trippy that is so wild yeah so i could put my hand in the water and um did you take any photos or film i did have some uh film and uh yeah this sometimes i no like you can't really take good i mean yeah i didn't have really good bioluminescence photos oh look at that shore that's insane now you said the stars stars were amazing yes like how amazing I mean no light pollution at all yeah yeah I mean I mean it in some ways it felt like I was just like living this national geographic experience of like you know I had dolphins come right up to my boat I had um you know you Yeah, yeah, like, I think it was like the fourth way mark.

[180] I was like, I want to celebrate.

[181] My way of celebrating was very limited.

[182] It was like, oh, am I going to have two Snickers bars?

[183] Like, there's not really anything other than what I had, but the pot of dolphins surrounded my boat and were doing like flips and tricks.

[184] Really?

[185] Right at that moment that I was reaching it.

[186] So, yeah, the dolphins and sharks and birds.

[187] and I even had like fish following right underneath my boat, like because barnacles would grow.

[188] It was like on the side of my boat, I would scrub them off, but sometimes they would just keep following my boat.

[189] So every time I named them Ed Ed and Eddie, but I had like three gerados that would keep following and birds that came on my boat.

[190] Wow.

[191] Yeah.

[192] I didn't think that there would be that many birds out there, but.

[193] Yeah, how are they getting out there?

[194] I don't know.

[195] I didn't ask.

[196] I think some birds can actually fly right across the ocean, which is pretty amazing.

[197] Yeah.

[198] So the Dorado, that's a dolphin fish, right?

[199] Uh -huh.

[200] They were hanging out under your boat?

[201] Those are delicious.

[202] That's a Mahi -Mahy.

[203] Yep.

[204] And then I had a lot of flying fish.

[205] That was another unexpected thing, like to constantly be hit by them.

[206] Oh, really?

[207] Especially like morning and like, yeah.

[208] Did they have them wind up inside your boat?

[209] You had to chuck them back in?

[210] And I would wake up just because they would fly into the cabin and, like, yeah, flying fish.

[211] Wow.

[212] Have you seen flying fish?

[213] Yeah.

[214] Yeah, I've seen them in the wild.

[215] It's kind of cool.

[216] It's really cool.

[217] What did you eat?

[218] So everything had to be light just because I was pushing it.

[219] So I had like freeze dried meals, which aren't like the MREs that have.

[220] liquid in it.

[221] So I had a desalinator, so I would convert the salt water into drinking water.

[222] Really?

[223] Yeah, which is crazy because I was doing that journey to raise money for clean water, and yet I had a better source of water than a billion people.

[224] So that was just like, yeah.

[225] This desalinator, I did not know that they had a portable desalinator that's that small.

[226] It was.

[227] So I had the main desalinator, which works by reverse osmosis, and there were two solar panels that powered all the electronics.

[228] And I had a handheld one, which fortunately I didn't have to use that, but that would take two hours to pump the water that I'd need.

[229] And then as the whole day.

[230] Correct.

[231] And then as my third option, I did also have like ballast water that I could refill with salt water.

[232] So it would help maintain.

[233] the self -writing capability, because that was another thing.

[234] This rowboat wasn't like something you get in Dick's boarding good.

[235] It was like self -riding, so that meant that even if I had big waves, that it could flip and it would flip back over again because of the design of the boat, and then the ballast water helped with that self -writing capability.

[236] So your ballast water was fresh water just in case of a chance that you needed water, you can get that and replace it with salt water.

[237] And then, like, the last week of my journey, I started just using the ballast water because it was easier and I knew I was about to finish.

[238] When you say you replace it with salt water, did you have containers that you would take the ballast water out and put it into some sort of a drinkable container?

[239] Yes.

[240] And then, because you would have to get it all out and then put the salt water.

[241] You can't mix it, right?

[242] Correct.

[243] So I had my own, like, water containers, but they were in these, like, I think it was like a platypus type water containers.

[244] So, yeah.

[245] So who planned this stuff out for you as far as, like, the construction of the boat and the ballast water and all that, chas?

[246] Did you have to design all this yourself?

[247] So I was fortunate because I was able to buy it used.

[248] So there was another.

[249] Somebody quit?

[250] No. But he made it.

[251] His name's Paul Ridley, and he did it a year before me. Oh, so he actually did it.

[252] How many people have done it?

[253] I mean, I don't know.

[254] I know there's more people that have been to the moon.

[255] Really?

[256] There's not a lot of Americans.

[257] Most of the ocean rowers are from, like, the UK.

[258] But for solos, I don't know, a few hundred.

[259] Wow.

[260] Yeah.

[261] So the only other American.

[262] Wait a minute.

[263] A few hundred people have been to the moon.

[264] 450 to the moon no in space oh yeah i know there's not a lot it's a small handful yeah have been to the moon allegedly are you next now when you're um getting this from this guy who's done it yeah did he look at you and go katy don't do it um i think he was so excited to have someone lined up to buy it because there's not many people who want to buy it that it's like imagine you put that on ebay hey who wants to go across the fucking ocean by yourself uh i did it want to buy my boat you'd have to be a fan of his maybe would you ever row across the ocean no i would not katie are you sure thank you for asking yeah no i don't have that kind of time oh but there's like there's you have your whole life in front of you no no you well what That's one thing that you do want to do before, like, you know.

[265] That's not appealing to me. Oh.

[266] People like you are appealing to me. People that do things like that.

[267] You're very appealing.

[268] I like talking to you.

[269] Okay.

[270] I don't want to do it.

[271] I get it.

[272] I know it's got to be mind bending and very, very difficult.

[273] I'm very aware of that.

[274] Okay.

[275] That's an enormous amount of time.

[276] You're right.

[277] I have three jobs.

[278] Yeah?

[279] I have no desire to take 70 days off of any of them.

[280] Okay.

[281] All right.

[282] But I get it.

[283] yeah yeah i mean yeah i guess that makes sense but you you're interesting because when i said when you said that to me would you do it and all of a sudden you you're like probing you're like looking into my brain you you wanted to see what's going on in my soul i could tell like you're like would you do it maybe you're a quitter no it's just like maybe you wouldn't do it because you don't have the courage that's not that is definitely not true Because most people who do want to do these things, do you know what the limiting factor is?

[284] Well, the perceived limiting factor.

[285] Because there's always a way or there's always a limit, right?

[286] So money can be a limiting factor for a lot of adventurous things.

[287] And I hope that when people, like, see some of the things I've done, they are encouraged to know you can do things on a shoestring.

[288] You don't have to, you know.

[289] But that's just, yeah.

[290] Well, there's also taking 70 days off work.

[291] Yeah.

[292] That's very difficult for a lot of people to pull off.

[293] That's true.

[294] It's hard for people to get a week off work.

[295] Yeah, yeah, but you could look at it a different way.

[296] How old are you, Katie?

[297] 33.

[298] How old were when you did it?

[299] 22.

[300] So when you were young and what were you doing for a job when you did this?

[301] So I just graduated from college and I was working for a nonprofit for a year before.

[302] hand.

[303] So I was planning this during my senior year.

[304] So did you stack some money aside?

[305] So there's no way I would have been able to do it without sponsors.

[306] So there were some Cleveland companies that were able to partner up.

[307] And the purpose behind it, there's definitely a purpose behind why I do what I do.

[308] And that's always been water.

[309] And so there were also some companies that shared the vision and passion that, you know, everyone on our planet should have clean water and there's ways to do that.

[310] So, yeah.

[311] We do some work with Fight for the Forgotten.

[312] It's my friend Justin Wren's organization.

[313] Do you know where they're?

[314] Uh -huh.

[315] They build wells with the pygmies.

[316] Yep, yep.

[317] Yeah, he's pretty amazing guy, but he's been going over there for years, and he spends months every year over there in Africa building wells.

[318] And he's immeasurably helped the lives of countless people over there.

[319] Yeah, it's amazing.

[320] It's just something that we just take for granted.

[321] Here.

[322] Water.

[323] It's right there on the table.

[324] You might drink it.

[325] You might not.

[326] We might throw in the sink.

[327] Yeah.

[328] Yeah.

[329] I...

[330] Delicious water.

[331] I mean, that is one thing.

[332] That is very universal.

[333] It's crazy that some people don't even drink it.

[334] You know, John Daly, the golfer, I was watching an interview.

[335] You know who he is?

[336] I don't golf, but he's a famous golfer, famous for being a guy who just gets hammered all the time.

[337] He smokes cigarettes, but he's a really good golfer.

[338] Just a big fat guy who doesn't take care of.

[339] himself but he does not drink any water at all and they did an interview with them and they said how much Diet Coke do you drink a day and he said somewhere in the neighborhood of 12 large Diet Coke's a day so he goes to McDonald's and he gets those extra large things of Diet Coke he says McDonald's has the best fountain drinks but he says he hates water he doesn't drink any water I'm like, wow.

[340] If you were thirsty, like there, what is it?

[341] It's 26 to 20 weekends.

[342] Diago, good day.

[343] Now I have 10 to 12 at most.

[344] I only smoke two packs of cigarettes a day, not three, so I'll be all right.

[345] 17 terrible pieces of health advice from John Dale.

[346] He's quite a character.

[347] Like, what are about his teeth?

[348] His teeth can't be good.

[349] Oh, I don't know.

[350] It's good question.

[351] Look, he's out there where the cigarette is.

[352] Well, look at his stomach.

[353] Dentist.

[354] 1991 to 2017.

[355] He's fat now, but still a really good golfer.

[356] Golf is such a strange game.

[357] You can make a living as an athlete and not even be remotely athletic or in shape or even healthy.

[358] You just have to be able to do a few moves.

[359] Yeah, there's some sports you can get away with.

[360] Not rowing across the ocean, Katie.

[361] Yeah, well.

[362] How many cigarettes did you smoke while you were rowing across the ocean?

[363] I definitely did not.

[364] I'm going to eat some breaths.

[365] but but but water so water is that's what you were doing it for yeah doing it to raise money correct yeah what's the organization um right now i'm working with an organization called h2 o for life and they partner with schools here in the united states to help schools uh get clean water all around the world and um what's also really cool about them is they create service learning opportunities for schools here.

[366] And I think that, that, you know, sometimes when I'm involved with clean water, it's like, well, what are you doing here?

[367] And H2O for Life does do things here to help kids feel part of something bigger, to help kids develop empathy and concern and care for other people.

[368] So I think what they do is pretty unique in that they can both help others outside the United States and both help fill that need for kids here to feel part of something.

[369] So the row raised 150 ,000 for water projects.

[370] And then through all the different adventures, it's been about 400 ,000.

[371] That's awesome.

[372] Yeah.

[373] It is really cool to like see the impact.

[374] And I keep tabs on the different projects.

[375] And right now it's 20 ,000 people that have gotten clean water through adventures.

[376] And Yeah.

[377] I mean, it really doesn't take much to help with clean water.

[378] And I, yeah, you could support, I mean, there's so many great causes to get behind.

[379] What's also encouraging about clean water is there are solutions.

[380] It's not this unknown.

[381] It's not this, we're putting money into research to figure out if it will work.

[382] There are wells, boreholes, rainwater harvesting.

[383] There's so many different solutions tailored to the communities that that work.

[384] So what made it, like when you were thinking about doing this, what made clean water?

[385] What made that the thing that you chose to have as your main charitable organization?

[386] So I was living in Australia and they were experiencing a pretty significant drought.

[387] And Australia is very developed.

[388] And to see the major headlines, to see the rules like, oh, you can't water your grass right now.

[389] You can't wash your car right now.

[390] And just to see that happening and somewhere so developed, it had it in the back of my mind, like, wow, water isn't something that should be taken for granted.

[391] And it isn't just this unlimited resource.

[392] And so I was studying environmental science, and I remember one of my professors mentioned that the wars of the future would be on water, and in some countries it's already the case.

[393] And to me, that was kind of like that one sentence that I couldn't unlearn.

[394] I couldn't stop thinking about.

[395] And it just hit me at a core of like, that is so wrong.

[396] And I, yeah, I was 19 or 20.

[397] And at that point, I felt like I had like a little bit because of traveling like I had a little bit of a sense of what was going on in the world but to know at that point one and six people didn't have clean water I was like wow I didn't even know about one sixth of our planet and what their daily struggle is and like the fact that it's a problem that has a solution and it's something that like I don't know what cause could have as big as impact as water because you think like okay if you what can you live without um you can't even survive three days without without water so um and just like thinking about health half of the hospital beds are filled because of unsafe drinking water if you think about environment if you think about education um half of the hospital beds in the world is that what you mean yeah and like half Yeah.

[398] Like, for children in the world, the greatest killer is diarrheal disease.

[399] And that is because of unsafe drinking water.

[400] And that is like, there's this documentary that came out recently, well, within the last year called, I think it's Brave Blue World.

[401] And Matt Damon shared something at the beginning about like, imagine that right now we find the cure for all child.

[402] cancers.

[403] And then imagine in 50 years from now, these kids are still dying from this very cancer that we have a cure for.

[404] And that is what's happening with clean water.

[405] And I mean, if you, it just, I don't know, it's still boils my blood just like thinking about like how wrong it is.

[406] And when you, when you see how wrong it is, I mean, I feel like, of course I would want to support that and do something and like when I first started learning about it I was I the first water project I was able to fund was in Haiti and I was learning about how some places they don't even name give their kids a name until they're five years old because okay so who's affected by the water crisis women and children children their bodies aren't strong enough to withstand and to fight back all the bacteria and like viruses and all the things yeah exactly so so they won't even give their kids names until they they think they'll be able to live right so like just thinking about that is like these are these are real people like these are i don't know i i i real people today yeah exactly this is not real people five thousand years ago and like just the idea of not even giving your child a name because of that fear of like they might not even live so you don't even want to get like my friend lex lex friedman yeah he's a scientist that works with artificial intelligence he posted something on his instagram it's uh yesterday it's a crazy statistic about um children and infant mortality from uh i believe was 200 years ago look at this in 1840 43 percent died before the age of five today it's four percent just imagine that and that was all over the world 43 percent but that's not the case everywhere yeah obviously if you're not naming your kids it's probably uh that's probably where the gap is because it's not five percent of american children die before that age yeah so yeah water has has always been something that um has given me hope just seeing that there there's there's definitely real change as possible.

[407] It also seems like it's financially possible.

[408] Oh, yeah.

[409] You're not talking about giving everybody diamonds.

[410] Correct.

[411] Like, I mean, with these water projects, it's not just clean water.

[412] Like, that's the pretty part, but, like, they also need, like, latrines.

[413] And so most of these charities that are working to solve the water crisis are not just doing water.

[414] They're doing sanitation.

[415] and hygiene education.

[416] So on average, it's like about, I mean, it depends.

[417] Like rainwater harvesting is a lot cheaper than building wells.

[418] And so, but on average it's like $50 for one person to get clean water.

[419] So, yeah.

[420] For their life?

[421] Depending.

[422] Like, it's hard to, at least 10 years, though, for most of the water projects.

[423] God, that seems like a hurdle.

[424] That's so easy to get over.

[425] Correct.

[426] For the, yeah.

[427] Yeah.

[428] Yeah.

[429] So, I mean...

[430] There's just not a financial incentive for people to do it.

[431] That's what it is.

[432] Yeah, I mean, it's kind of like, it's not because there's a lack.

[433] Like, the solution is there.

[434] It's just like the motivation to, you know, put resources and energy towards it.

[435] But I've definitely felt very encouraged just seeing how many people have been supportive.

[436] and yeah, I mean, just, yeah, you could say, like, I raise this much, but truthfully, it's, I witnessed the generosity of others who believed in a similar thing that I did.

[437] When you say that obviously children, but why are women more affected by it than men?

[438] Because it's their responsibility to go and collect the water, so on average it's like four miles every single day that they have to go.

[439] And it's not just the fact that it's a long walk, but when you're coming back, you're carrying the jerry cans, which could be 40 pounds.

[440] It could also be dangerous.

[441] They could be attacked.

[442] There could be wild animals.

[443] So they are the ones who are responsible for collecting it.

[444] And the men are out hunting or something?

[445] Yeah.

[446] Yeah.

[447] And also, like, for females, if there aren't any, like, latrines, like, latrines, like, Like once they hit puberty and they're having their menstrual cycle, they will just not go to school anymore because they don't have a way to, you know, take care of themselves.

[448] So women and children are definitely the ones who are affected the most.

[449] Well, all in all, it's poor people.

[450] And this organization has been around for how long doing this?

[451] Um, H2O for Life over a decade.

[452] Yeah.

[453] So they have partners in the field building, building all the different projects.

[454] And there's been maybe 40 or 50 projects that were funded through all the different adventures.

[455] And then I have been able to visit some of them in Kenya and South Africa after the fact, after the projects were built.

[456] And yeah.

[457] Now, how do you, like, how did you get connected with them?

[458] And how does it work?

[459] Like, does do your sponsors pay X amount per what happens when you complete this?

[460] Like, how does that work?

[461] Um, so for the row, there were corporate sponsors that helped pay for the cost of the event.

[462] And then I did things like sponsor a mile.

[463] Um, sometimes like I'll do work with rotary clubs.

[464] They've been super supportive and a good partner on hosting different events.

[465] I don't even know what a rotary club is, but I know that word.

[466] Okay, so there's 30 ,000 rotary clubs all around the world.

[467] What's a rotary club?

[468] My dad used to be in one, but it's just like a group of guys that meets and hangs.

[469] It doesn't have to be guys, a group of people that meets, have lunch, talk about business sort of stuff.

[470] That's what it is?

[471] In a neighborhood, sort of like community.

[472] Until this moment in my life, I've never even thought what's a rotary club.

[473] Oh, well, let me tell you.

[474] I know the name.

[475] Yeah, she knows more probably than.

[476] So Rotary Clubs, you probably have seen their signs like, oh, we're meeting every Tuesday at 8.

[477] So it's usually like leaders in the community get together once a week and they do local and global service projects.

[478] So it's a service organization.

[479] So there's your local one, then there's districts and then they meet for like global conferences.

[480] But basically, yeah, their focus is how can we make?

[481] make our community better locally and globally.

[482] And so we've partnered on different like fundraisers.

[483] And then so there's partnering with schools, partnering with rotary clubs, and then part of like whenever I do speaking, I do it in return for donations to the cause.

[484] And then finally, some corporate sponsors will do like a matching fund challenge.

[485] So whatever other individuals raised they'll match that so it's definitely like seeing who's interested and who's also passionate about it but there's definitely never been like this is how it's always been like it's kind of working with what interests of others that that um yeah also want to do something so you have a series of sponsors and you have a series of sponsors for all your adventures Usually, yes.

[486] Some of my, like, smaller adventures were more, like, on a shoestring.

[487] How do you go about acquiring these sponsors?

[488] So, a lot, like, because, especially for my first adventures, I didn't, that wasn't my network.

[489] It was a lot of, like, cold, cold calling and just looking for companies that I thought would also share that the same vision but uh yeah it really just like sending emails or asking to set up meetings but um so you do it all yourself i do but of course like no one ever does anything by themselves like everyone's always supported sure sure but no i don't have like a agent or anything like seems like you should I don't I mean I maybe I don't know but it seems like these things that you're doing especially the rowing across the ocean it's pretty high profile right it feels like someone can get involved and sort of boost your signal yeah um yeah I mean I'm open I don't know are you going to do something else crazy um I definitely feel called to do like some So with ocean rowing, most people go from like one island to another because you're right within the trade winds.

[490] So it takes about 100 miles offshore until you're right in those trade winds.

[491] And so I was very intentional about the row and going mainland to mainland.

[492] And the reason behind that is just because I've always thought it would be so cool to go around the whole world by human power.

[493] like um and when i you know when that idea came or whatever uh i i basically said okay so what's the hardest part what's the part you're most likely to fail and if you're going around the whole world the row is the part that you're most likely to fail half of the people do um and it's the most expensive and i would never want to go on this around the world trip and then fail at the last like leg you know and so that that was always like the original vision of just like going completely around the world by human power and um i think realistically it would be done in legs so um i would like to do the next leg which would be cycling from where i landed in south america so i landed in georgetown guiana um and then cycling from south america to north america and that would take probably about a year But yeah, so that was always like something, but it's not, the reason I haven't done it is because I have a lot of other things that I've done and am doing that I'm interested in.

[494] And I always thought like a journey like that is something that you could do much older.

[495] And like, because like there's a certain kind of fitness you need for an Iron Man versus cycle tour.

[496] you really like you're not racing correct and like I kind of wanted my 20s to be more racing and more pushing like I really enjoyed doing Iron Man after Iron Man after Iron Man and just like feeling fast and like the more I do endurance the I'm losing that speed and so it's kind of like a balance and so I, yeah, I think the around the world trip certainly would be something I'd love to explore doing.

[497] I am also aware that, like, for endurance being in my 30s is probably the best for recovery.

[498] So although I think people could cycle around the world in their 60s and 70s, I think I would enjoy it more now just because of that ability to recover and, like, sleeping in a tent and dealing with all like the climate and just kind of living wild like that.

[499] But yeah, yeah, that would be one of the, like, challenges that I could see pursuing and probably in legs rather than just doing the whole thing because it would be like three years.

[500] Now, when you think about doing something like that, do you get concerned about your safety?

[501] Oh, yeah, absolutely.

[502] Yeah, like I, of course, like I don't do these things.

[503] because I don't, like, have concern.

[504] I definitely was concerned about the ocean, and I think that's why I spent so much time, like, researching it and asking all those questions and looking at what were the backups.

[505] And I definitely took it very seriously and took those risks very seriously, but I don't know.

[506] Did you encounter any hairy moments when you were out there?

[507] Yeah, I had, like, 30 -foot waves at...

[508] Holy shit.

[509] Yes.

[510] Yes, but...

[511] 30 feet is a lot.

[512] Yes, it is.

[513] What's this roof?

[514] Maybe 10.

[515] Yeah.

[516] 10.

[517] Three times the size of this roof.

[518] But let me...

[519] Fuck that.

[520] Okay, but here's the thing about that.

[521] You're in a little rowboat.

[522] 30 foot waves is crazy.

[523] These boats are designed for it.

[524] So it's kind of like, what's the point of having this fancy boat if you don't get to see the full possibilities and capabilities of it?

[525] It's not crazy.

[526] I could have been in a like rinky -dank kayak at that point if I didn't like so when you row an ocean you're not like hey what's hurricane season let's go like I wasn't out there when so I worked with a weather guy and we knew that it could be like that so I had a backup like place so here's what happened I was about to land I had to land.

[527] had these big waves.

[528] And then I was like, oh, no. You're about to land.

[529] So is it the end?

[530] Correct.

[531] And it's known because it's like the continental shelf.

[532] So it jumps from being thousands of feet deep to pretty shallow.

[533] So it's known to have these like waves and winds.

[534] And it's just known for that kind of thing.

[535] So I had an option of landing there, but I would need a to tow me in because I could crash into cliffs or crash into something because it's so impossible to be precise when you have those big waves.

[536] So that's kind of, that's where the detour happened.

[537] So I ended up two countries west of my original destination because I didn't want to tow.

[538] Like, how terrible would that be?

[539] Thode sucked.

[540] Yeah.

[541] Like, oh, here I did it.

[542] If you did have to get towed, would you go back and do it again?

[543] I don't know.

[544] I don't know.

[545] I don't I don't even want to think about that.

[546] Like, so that's, yeah.

[547] I mean, that's not solo.

[548] You got that.

[549] No. Yeah.

[550] See, I think you'd do it again.

[551] Or I would just go from where they pick me up.

[552] That seems lame.

[553] I know, but.

[554] It doesn't seem.

[555] A guy who's not even willing to go across a lake.

[556] Don't listen to me. Maybe someday.

[557] You never know.

[558] Maybe not.

[559] How about that?

[560] Okay.

[561] How many Iron Man have you done?

[562] Five.

[563] Does it bother you?

[564] It's an Iron Man, not an iron person?

[565] No, it doesn't.

[566] Why is an Iron Man if you're doing it?

[567] I don't know.

[568] It seems weird.

[569] You should ask them, I don't know.

[570] Seems kind of weird.

[571] Yeah.

[572] And I'm not even one of those people.

[573] Yeah.

[574] You know, that complains about that kind of shit.

[575] But why does it have to be Iron Man if, like, all sexists can do it?

[576] I don't know.

[577] Or is your non -binary?

[578] I don't know.

[579] What if you're asexual?

[580] I don't know.

[581] What if you're like a zir?

[582] And you're like, I'm just in.

[583] iron thing i'm an iron they why don't they just call it iron they no doesn't sound good it's a problem right you're a woman like if i was a guy and i was competing in an iron woman championship i'm like yeah i took third place an iron woman they'd be like why are you in a woman's contest well it's hoping for everybody they just call it iron woman what the fuck is that yeah i don't know right wouldn't you now that you're thinking about it someone should start attacking them on Twitter, and they would change their name.

[584] It's possible.

[585] Well, they're changing so many names because of, you know, social justice warriors attacking people.

[586] There was a recent one that they're changing, they're changing the word man, they're taking the word manna or something.

[587] God damn it.

[588] I forget what it is.

[589] I mean, what would we have to call it so we would call it?

[590] It's not Iron Man or not?

[591] Iron Human.

[592] Oh, okay.

[593] It's wrong with Iron Human.

[594] That has man in it too.

[595] by the way.

[596] Because it doesn't sound...

[597] It's good?

[598] No. Why?

[599] It sounds dope.

[600] I like it better.

[601] It's not as punchy.

[602] Oh, Iron Man's more punchy?

[603] I don't know.

[604] Like sometimes when things are shorter.

[605] Hmm.

[606] I get it.

[607] I get it.

[608] Yeah.

[609] Still.

[610] I mean, there's things in this world that are definitely worth changing and I would like to focus on water.

[611] But if you want to take that one up, I'll focus on water.

[612] Are you focused on that one?

[613] I'm going to row across the ocean to get through the name of Iron Man. Change it to Iron Human.

[614] No. Just saying.

[615] Yeah.

[616] How many have you done?

[617] Five.

[618] Wow.

[619] You know they make them longer, too.

[620] There's like, they like make them, I think, three times as long.

[621] Oh, really?

[622] Yeah.

[623] That's a thing.

[624] That's ridiculous.

[625] Yeah.

[626] I, um, the longest I've, like, biked once was like 375 miles and 24 hours.

[627] and the longest I've run is 138 and I think that's it like I don't think I would like to go any further my buddy cam he does a lot of them cam haines he's done the moab 240 and the big foot whatever this bigfoot two it's like 205 or something like that yeah the moab 240 is a three -day yes three -day jam yeah and they're they're trying to do something even crazier yeah they I believe it wow I mean I have seen like 200 is the new 100 yeah Yeah, these people are out of their fucking minds.

[628] I mean...

[629] He's got his son doing it now.

[630] Yeah, he's crazy.

[631] I...

[632] Son, Truit.

[633] I think Truit's like...

[634] He's in his early 20s.

[635] He's a kid that broke Gagins' chin -up record.

[636] Oh, really?

[637] Was he mad about that?

[638] Was he mad?

[639] No, he loves it.

[640] Is he going to try to break it again?

[641] I'm sure.

[642] I'm sure he'll break it...

[643] Who broke his?

[644] Yeah, he has to.

[645] I think another guy holds...

[646] Gagins held the world record.

[647] And then Truett broke Gagin's record, but I don't believe...

[648] that was the world record anymore.

[649] I think there was another guy who broke the world record.

[650] Gotcha.

[651] So it's like a little hot.

[652] It's an insane amount of chin -ups.

[653] It's like thousands of chin -ups.

[654] 54 -year -old Mark Jordan.

[655] Oh, Jesus.

[656] He's older than me. 4, 210.

[657] Let me see what this savage looks like.

[658] That's insane.

[659] Jesus Christ, look at the build on that man. See, that's an even bigger problem, right?

[660] Because that guy has to carry all that weight.

[661] Like, he's heavier.

[662] Because when you look at Goggins or Truett, they're smaller guys like guggins is uh is that true it there i think so yeah i don't know if that's true it no it's not no this is 2017 oh okay most pull -ups in one minute so see savages keep breaking it yeah i think what's impressive that guy's jack though that's what's nuts so how thick that dude is 4300 actually it says that's so much that's so much oh my goodness that is so much Texas man yeah Corpus Christi Mark Jordan shout out to Mark yeah usually they're not that muscular because that's he's carrying around I'm sure he's got muscular legs too carrying around a lot of weight it's easier for slimmer people to do chin -ups I have a question okay um so since you like meet all these people that do fit things who is a person that you've met or like a record that you admire or I don't know like the coolest the coolest the coolest human feet the person who you have the most respect for for doing I don't know maybe you Katie no might be no can't be because there's so many cool things what you did it's pretty cool by yourself alone in the ocean for fucking days and days and days and days and days and days with phosphoruminousant water and the stars and dolphins are playing with you what you did is pretty fucking cool well thank you pretty cool you know that's uh that's up there okay but what's what's you know um Eddie isard impressed me the most because what he did he had zero training and he wasn't in shape and he's a comedian he just did it on pure will and he he's done multiple ones of these but I shouldn't say he anymore because now he wants to be called the she she I just call him her Eddie Eddie ran the entire length around the UK yeah and but with zero training and they documented it in a documentary I mean Eddie's feet were falling off I mean the skin was just completely removed it was it's horrific to watch when you see like them trying to tape up the toes and deal with all the blisters.

[663] And then running the next day, Eddie's out there huffing it.

[664] I mean, but not in shape, not like a person like you or like Cam Haines or David Goggins, a person that is just through sheer will decides they're going to run around the entire length of the UK and do it all for charity.

[665] And then since then, Eddie's done, she's run through Africa and did a recent one, where they were doing it on on zoom that one was on a treadmill and did it was like 26 marathons 31 and 32 days yeah something crazy like that 32 and 32 days that's pretty damn impressive because he's not an athlete per se hmm it sounds like you he sounds pretty athletic yeah she used to be called he it's confusing because because she still likes girls.

[666] Or as Eddie says, fancies the ladies.

[667] But whatever.

[668] When you're that badass, I don't give a fuck what you call yourself or who you are.

[669] I'll say whatever you want.

[670] What was the distance for the UK run?

[671] Good question.

[672] Totally more than 1 ,100 miles.

[673] 43 marathons and 51 days, 27 miles a day at least.

[674] You've got to understand that this is not an in -shaped person.

[675] I'm surprised that there was an injury to stop that.

[676] I think, like, injury is definitely one of the biggest, like, you know, challenges.

[677] Oh, yeah, for sure.

[678] How old was Eddie at the time?

[679] It was in 2009, so a little bit younger, but...

[680] 40?

[681] Let me see if it says in that thing.

[682] Probably 40, not young.

[683] I only trained for five weeks right before it, and then...

[684] That's really...

[685] It's not saying.

[686] I'll check something else.

[687] Like, usually you taper two.

[688] or three weeks so that's like no it's nuts yeah that's not and if you watch the documentary you just see it's just sheer will yeah it was 47 at the time you could say he was 47 in the time because he was a he then 47 year old actor was 47 at the time that's not young um it's super impressive that's probably the most impressive thing yeah I'd be curious there's just because of that because I know like my friend Cam Haynes he runs every day he's in great shape He just ran 100 miles like it was nothing.

[689] Just did it like last weekend, the 100 mile race.

[690] And he doesn't even tell anybody.

[691] He just goes and does him because he does it so much.

[692] He runs literally when he prepares for these things, he runs a marathon a day.

[693] Every day.

[694] But so him doing that, not as impressive as Eddie doing it, just because Eddie's not in shape.

[695] Yeah.

[696] That makes sense.

[697] I mean, like, even in Iron Man's, like, of course, there's these people who finish in eight, nine hours, but sometimes the most impressive thing.

[698] Like one of the races I did, my friends and I, we stayed until the last person came.

[699] And this person was out there for 17 hours, like, and they made it just within like 20 more seconds to go.

[700] And like, yeah, it's almost just as inspiring, if not more, just see that person who's just barely made it than the one who's just like, oh, I can do that again.

[701] Yeah.

[702] But there's not.

[703] one person that's the most impressive it's there's a lot of it one of the more interesting things about doing a podcast is that that you can talk to people from all walks of life and so my understanding of human beings is very broad in a sense that like oh i met someone like her oh i know a person like that oh that guy yeah that's like this person like there's if you just live in the same place and communicate with the same people and you don't get out and you don't travel and you don't meet really unique and interesting people, you have an idea, you have a little box that you look at, you put human beings in, my box is enormous.

[704] So what I think of what's possible with people is enormous.

[705] Yeah.

[706] You know, so it's made me very, very open -minded in terms of what's possible, in terms of just the different kinds of people, different styles of human being, because that's kind of what's like.

[707] There's different styles of human being, different ways that people talk, different ways people protect themselves with their speech and with their manner of talking, they shield themselves, and then other people that are just wide open.

[708] Some people that really, because they're really good at one thing, they think they know it all about everything.

[709] That's an unusual thing.

[710] What's that like, what's that called, the Dunnings Kruger effect?

[711] But then there's other people that are...

[712] What does that mean?

[713] I think it means when you have an expertise in one subject, you grossly overestimate your understanding of other subjects?

[714] Let's see if you can find the definition of that.

[715] I've never heard that.

[716] You never heard that?

[717] It's a commonly used phrase because it's very common amongst really brilliant people, unfortunately.

[718] There's brilliant people that dismiss other disciplines and other works and other fields of interest because it's not inside of the, here it is it's a hypothetical cognitive bias stating that people with low ability at a task overestimate their ability okay yeah it would be an amateur chess player overestimating their performance in the upcoming chess tournament compared to their competent counterparts hmm i think i fucked that up then because i thought that it had to do with someone being really good at something else and that's why the dunning kruger effect takes into the position that's how i've always thought of it so what the way i'm looking at it i'm looking at the dunning kruger effect based on people that are good at other things and so like usually like maybe someone is a great mathematician but they have a kind of funky view about religion or maybe there's someone who is a brilliant psychologist but they maybe have a dismissive view of martial arts or people that practice it.

[719] I know people that are into athletics and they're athletic trainers and they dismiss yoga.

[720] They have zero experience in yoga and I've had arguments with people about that.

[721] Like guys who are like professional trainers that train elite athletes and they dismiss yoga.

[722] What do they have against yoga?

[723] It's not that they have anything against it.

[724] It's that they don't understand what they're talking about because they believe that because they're so good at this one thing, maybe pliometrics explosive training that you talk to them about yoga and they'll be dismissive of them like well how often are you doing it you know like listen I've done a lot of shit yoga's hard it's good it's I don't think it's the only thing you should do yeah yeah yeah I talked to this one lady she used to go to my yoga class and she was in her 50s and she was fucking shredded she had like this crazy six -back and super jacked and I go you don't just do yoga and she goes no no no no I do a lot of weightlifting and I do a lot of crossfit and stuff like that.

[725] She goes, I don't think you should just do yoga.

[726] She goes, but I think you should do yoga.

[727] Yeah, for sure.

[728] I was like, yeah, kind of agree.

[729] Like, because I think just doing yoga, you get one of them weird guru bodies, you know.

[730] Well, you're real bendy, but it doesn't seem like you can help anybody move a couch.

[731] Yeah.

[732] You know, like, I think weightlifting is, especially as you get older, I think it's imperative.

[733] I really think it's important.

[734] And some sort of resistance training just to keep your bone density and keep your muscles and tendons strong.

[735] and but yoga has some profound mental benefits for sure psychological benefits yeah and it's hard it's fucking hard like holding on those posts but i like to do hot yoga too so holding on to those poses when it's 105 degrees and you watch you're watching sweat pour off of you and your heart's pounding out of your chest yes but sometimes when you do those hot yoga classes you would be sweating if you were just sitting there so i think sometimes you know what i mean like it is hard but if you were sitting there you probably would be sweating too so it could be well that's because it's harder when it's hot exactly because it makes your body produce heat shock proteins which makes it better the idea see this is where another thing that people get screwed up they say oh no no it's not that hard it just seems hard because it's hot yeah no no it's fucking hard and it's harder because it's hot so your body has to work harder it feels harder because it is because it's more difficult for your body so because it's more difficult for your body your body has to produce these cytokines and that is a massive and it's massive for anti -inflamm inflammation benefits and there's actually a study they're doing at Harvard right now about hot yoga and they're trying to find out if hot yoga has similar benefits to that was it finland that did that yoga that uh sauna study i keep fucking up i always say Norway to finland finland right Yeah, there's a study that they did out of Finland that showed a 40 % decrease in all -cause mortality for people that did sauna.

[736] I think it's at 170 degrees, 20 minutes, four times a week.

[737] 40 % decrease of all -cause mortality, heart attack, stroke, cancer, everything, across the board.

[738] Yeah.

[739] Because of the heat shock protein benefit because of the fact that your body is kind of freaking out because of that heat, so it produces those cytokines, and that has massive benefit.

[740] for your health and psychological benefits.

[741] So one of the coaches I worked with for Iron Man, like I used to do hot yoga a lot.

[742] And his concern for me in doing that on top of Iron Man training was just like, okay, so you are already so dehydration is already so hard with training, whatever, 20 hours of sweating by running and biking and swimming.

[743] so that's the only thing that I've heard like I don't know have you heard anything about that like you definitely can get dehydrated if you don't plan accordingly but what you really need is an electrolyte supplement yes so I do I use liquid IV I just take I'll do two of those in a day is generally what I do because I work out a lot but when I do the sauna I do one after the sauna if but if I do a hot yoga class I'll do it before the yoga class so I'll do like an hour before the yoga class I'll drink 32 ounces of water with liquid IV.

[744] The only problem is having to pee.

[745] That's the problem.

[746] We talked about that before the podcast.

[747] He drink a lot of water.

[748] My daughter, my 10 -year -old, has decided to drink massive amounts of water now.

[749] So she has this jug.

[750] It is so big.

[751] It's huge.

[752] And she was laughing.

[753] And I go, why are you doing this?

[754] And she goes, well, water's really good for you.

[755] And I just want to see if I can drink this every day.

[756] And I go, well, you definitely can drink.

[757] get every day.

[758] So I go, how many times do you have to pee at class?

[759] She goes, oh, every class.

[760] I have to get up and pee multiple times and she's laughing.

[761] I go multiple times during class.

[762] I go, what do you teachers think about this?

[763] She goes, they laugh.

[764] They think it's funny because they know that I have this giant jug of water on my table.

[765] I'm like, okay.

[766] She might be going over hydration, hyponotremia like that.

[767] No, she's not doing that because she's doing it through the entire day.

[768] But that is a danger.

[769] But that's when you're forcing water into your body.

[770] I mean, people have died from that.

[771] I've had hypotremia.

[772] Did you really?

[773] Biking across America.

[774] Wow.

[775] What happened?

[776] It was, I mean, yeah, I, I've had, like, I mean, if you do endurance stuff, of course, some things happen.

[777] Like, I've had rabdo, I've had.

[778] When you had rabdo, would they have to, rabdomylosis, would you have to do to fix that?

[779] So that was the thing.

[780] like I this is going to sound so stupid but I was like but I don't feel like it like and I've had like internal bleeding I was like I don't feel anything like so what they they just give you IV and that I was yeah that was as far just drink water uh they gave me like two liters of IV and that's it that was all and then yeah I I think I was just monitoring and Rapto is your muscle start to break down Yeah.

[781] So, yeah, whenever you're working out, you're ideally breaking down your muscles because that's how they grow stronger.

[782] So from my understanding, I mean, I'm not like a, you know, this, yeah, but from my understanding is that it's like when your muscles are breaking down, it's in your bloodstream, and your kidneys are trying really hard to filter it out, filter out.

[783] And if there's so much breakdown, it's beyond your kidney's ability to filter, filter, filter.

[784] So it could cause kidney failure.

[785] So it's clogging your pipes, basically.

[786] So, like, yeah, I know that, like, the stuff I do, no doctor would be like, yeah, that sounds great.

[787] Go run 100 miles.

[788] But I just tell you not to do everything, though.

[789] That's true.

[790] They don't want the liability of being like.

[791] It's not just that.

[792] It's just like, like, when I. I got my first knee surgery.

[793] I remember my doctor saying, well, no more martial arts for you.

[794] I was like, fuck out of here.

[795] Like, what are you talking about?

[796] Watch me. I was like, at the time, I was 22 or something like that.

[797] I'm like, you're fucking crazy.

[798] Like, what are you saying?

[799] Are you fixing my knee or not?

[800] Is it fixed?

[801] Like, it'll be more vulnerable now.

[802] Okay.

[803] Yeah.

[804] And then what I get it fixed again?

[805] Like, in my mind, I was like, I don't even know what you're saying.

[806] I'm going to stop working out.

[807] I can't do martial arts.

[808] Ever, ever again?

[809] then it happened again when i got my second knee surgery had a meniscus scope and the doctor same thing they were like well you you really need to stop this i'm like oh okay i do meanwhile i don't look because here i'm still doing it 20 years later and i'm not in pain like you guys are out of your fucking minds yeah they just they're so risk averse they just want to avoid any kind of real problems you're going to have with your body but i think your body's supposed to be used absolutely you got to use that damn thing.

[810] I mean, like, I'm really into rollerblading right now.

[811] Oh, boy.

[812] I could go on about the benefits of rollerblading.

[813] I think Raven was talking to people before this.

[814] Okay.

[815] Rollerblading is so great.

[816] And some people are like, oh, my balance is so terrible.

[817] I'm like, well, you should probably rollerblade because how do you improve your balance by doing things that are challenging your balance?

[818] Like, you don't get better by avoiding it.

[819] So, but that's what people say.

[820] Oh, I can't roller blade because of that.

[821] No, you should rollerblade.

[822] Just wear your helmet.

[823] It gets, you know.

[824] Knee pads, elbow pads.

[825] Do what you got to do.

[826] Do you have the hand things too?

[827] I don't.

[828] I just have the helmet.

[829] Ooh, what about your hands?

[830] Don't you worry about the soft tissue in your fingers?

[831] No, not at all.

[832] I rode across the Atlantic.

[833] I'm used to the, you know, having tough kills.

[834] Rough stuff.

[835] Yeah.

[836] But running, and I think most endurance athletes end up doing the same.

[837] repetitive thing, right?

[838] Right.

[839] And what most weaknesses are your hips.

[840] Like, and a lot of people have knee issues, which is because of weak hips.

[841] And so I think what's really great about roller blading is it targets, it targets the very areas that are often very like underdeveloped with running and biking and repetitive.

[842] And then I think there's the stabilizing muscles.

[843] And like you'll get that with like the Pilates and things like, you know, one -legged type drills.

[844] And I don't necessarily think the stabilizers, like, from my experience, like, if my quads are really strong and I'm trying to run, I'm going to rely on my quads.

[845] And I'm not going to be like hamstrings work really hard because I already know my quads are really strong.

[846] But with rollerblading, I think it gets into all these little stabilizing.

[847] muscles and I so the areas that I'm really sore from rollerblading is like my low back and that's another area that matters a lot with like running because like I think running you could definitely think about like your strength and your muscle but but what's also from my understanding is like 30 % of your run efficiency happens like because of your form and yeah low back definitely helps with form and I don't know I was just like thinking about like what sports are fun and I don't think you could be in a bad mood while rollerblading yeah it seems like it's a good time I yeah it's it's I just it looks festive you can't be angry while you're rollerblading no and you could like listen to music and like jam out have fun jam out I jam out there you go that's what my friend and are doing every weekend now so that's your thing uh for now you're a rollerblade across america um no are you thinking about it no i thought about it here's the thing it's really okay so i have the three -wheeled rollerblades there's four wheels which is what most people probably have used but three wheels are a lot faster and it's really hard to stop is the two in the front or in the back no it's it's it's not skating it's like oh in line yeah Oh, like a blade.

[848] Yes.

[849] Oh, okay.

[850] So I cannot stop very well.

[851] Well, that sucks.

[852] And so I would not want to go across America if I didn't know how to stop it.

[853] Why don't you go roller skating?

[854] Is that too easy?

[855] Oh, no, I don't.

[856] I feel like it's slower.

[857] Oh, you want to go fast?

[858] I mean, it does feel like Ricky Bobby.

[859] Well, I mean, who wants to go slow?

[860] I get it.

[861] Like, so I think roller blading is really fun and people should try it if they haven't.

[862] It seems like a good time.

[863] Yeah.

[864] And there are certain things that like, so like gymnastics, it like, it's very artistic and fun to watch.

[865] But I'm sure for the gymnasts, it's not actually fun and artistic to do.

[866] But I think like ice skating and rollerblading, like it's fun for the person and for the person watching.

[867] I don't know.

[868] I think gymnastics are fun.

[869] My middle daughter does gymnastics.

[870] She's really good at it.

[871] She loves it.

[872] We have to stop her from doing it in the house.

[873] She does like back handsprings in the hallway.

[874] Wow.

[875] And they go, hey, hey, hey, come on.

[876] That's pretty cool.

[877] Yeah.

[878] She loves it.

[879] Like, she gets out on the trampoline, does flips and all kinds of shit.

[880] Oh, okay.

[881] She goes, bananas.

[882] You can't stop her.

[883] She loves it.

[884] I've never really been.

[885] I always assumed that because it just looks so hard.

[886] I think a lot of things that look hard when you finish them is a feeling of elation.

[887] Does that sound familiar?

[888] Yes.

[889] I think when you do.

[890] don't think you could ever do a backflip and then all of a sudden you can hit two in a row or do a tuck and do a forward one and you know and you start doing it and then you get better and your form gets better it's like everything else it's like martial arts you know like martial arts are really hard but when you get good at it it's like wow it feels like you're in a real live video game you know yeah do you have anything that you're like you know like my little thing is like the splits i've never worked my way into that oh you should be able to do that you're an My hamstrings are really tight.

[891] Yeah, you could do it.

[892] I mean, it would take time.

[893] I think it's fascinating.

[894] When I talk to someone like you that is willing to row across the fucking ocean, and you're saying it would take time to do the splits.

[895] Because my body, yeah, because I trained it to do one thing.

[896] Yeah, no, I understand.

[897] Yeah.

[898] Yeah, but it's just a matter of stretching.

[899] Yeah.

[900] It's easy.

[901] I mean, it's patience.

[902] It's just consistency.

[903] That's true.

[904] I've been doing it my whole life.

[905] I've been stretching my whole life.

[906] So even though I'm a meathead, I'm very flexible.

[907] Do you do any of the yin yoga?

[908] Yin yoga?

[909] What is that?

[910] Oh, okay.

[911] So that's like the one where you're just like holding things for three minutes.

[912] Oh, wow.

[913] From my understanding, it's like one of the best types of yoga for runners, because yeah like it's the least muscular so it's like it would be like nappy time yoga oh okay that was mostly on the floor yeah yeah yeah but it's like probably the best stretching yoga yeah just stretch just make yourself stretch yeah just decide I have an hour and a half right now that I'm gonna do nothing but stretch it's very it you'd be amazed at how much tension you carry in your muscles too like whenever i have a show like a comedy show and i'm a little tense i stretch i feel way better afterwards yeah it's like all this and then just like oh it just just the you have more mobility everything moves better yeah yeah i definitely like the tennis ball too for like my back oh yeah oh we have these things those hype have you tried those fucking hyper -ice balls there are these things they're hard and they vibrate like crazy and you roll on them and it just just say well try it afterwards afterwards it's one of our sponsors which you get on it and roll around on it it just loosens everything up it's like oh it's so much better than a tennis ball because I was using lacrosse balls for a while those are nice this is like that times 100 yeah it's awesome because the vibration is crazy it's like what the fuck is in here that makes this thing vibrate like that and they have a roller that does the same thing i'll show you later yeah my friend has the wand one that she uses like it's some kind of um Alex Honnold was here the other day you know who he is the free solo climber he's great and we were talking about flexibility he's like yeah I'm not really that flexible and I'm like well wouldn't it help you yeah I would be flexible he's like yeah yeah yeah you definitely would and I'm like why are you fucking stretching and he's like oh it's really hard you know I'm like no it's not like you fucking climb L cap with no ropes.

[914] It's the same thing with you.

[915] It's like people are crazy.

[916] Like people have this thing that they do that's really difficult, that they don't think is difficult, and then they'll look at something else, and then be like, I can never play piano.

[917] You know, it's like, it's kind of the same thing.

[918] Like we put limitations on yourself.

[919] Like you say, I would like to be able to do the splits.

[920] I swear to God, if you lived in Austin, I could get you to do the splits in 30 days.

[921] 100 % Depending on how fucked up you are How much time would this You need an hour and a half a day To do the splits?

[922] Oof Like you could run 70 days across the fucking ocean It's not It's just like that would be 10 miles of running Yeah well you could do that too It's not stopping you from doing that I mean there's only so much time Yeah it's 24 hours Yeah you know how many times there isn't a day You just do it But if you wanted that, that's this thing that you keep saying.

[923] You're saying you wish you could do the splits.

[924] Well, it's just one of the, like, yeah, in the future.

[925] Not right now.

[926] It's easy.

[927] I do it every day.

[928] You can do it.

[929] Stretch.

[930] All right.

[931] I'll let you know when I achieve my.

[932] It's so important because it prevents injuries.

[933] It allows you to have more range of motion.

[934] It's like, and it's something that everybody loses, you get older.

[935] Yeah, for sure.

[936] Yeah.

[937] Like, I do do.

[938] weights two or three times a week and then do like a yoga once a week.

[939] But I, yeah, I would definitely be more on the cardio side of the fence.

[940] Oh, yeah, I would imagine.

[941] Well, a lot of runners are like real tight.

[942] A lot of runners.

[943] A lot of runners are very tight hamstrings because it's, when you're done with all that running, you don't want to fucking stretch.

[944] You're like, I'm done.

[945] Let me have some fruit loops or whatever.

[946] Exactly.

[947] Yeah.

[948] Watermelon for me, but yeah.

[949] Watermelon, yeah.

[950] You just want something, you know.

[951] You don't want to like force yourself.

[952] into it but uh gagan's told me that he had such a problem with his soass muscles that it was actually preventing him from running like he was he was trying to figure out what was wrong with him and then he realized it was just tightness of his muscle and so then he started stretching and then he got obsessed with stretching and i think he told me he stretches two hours every day now something bananas like that but that's very gagginses yes that he would do something that hard to hours a day but it's just it's everything stretching's everything so important because it sucks there's the thing about it too that sucks you know one one sucks for me the most is when um sitting down grabbing my toes and flattening my body to my thighs because it's just it sucks it sucks to breathe it's not fun it's painful but but once I do it I'm like I did it yeah a lot of those stretch is it's like really bad for the first 30 seconds and then sometimes it gets better or not but yeah you loosen up yeah yeah same thing we're doing the splits the door one's really great where you like lean into it and get your shoulders which one is that how do you put your you're like in the door frame oh yeah that's great that one's really good yeah yeah hanging is great by your hands on chin up bar yeah my god that's so good for your shoulders it's like so many people have shoulder pain and a lot is just like everything's sort of impacted and tightened up and it's hard to stretch those things but just hanging from a chin up bar it's like everything sort of like yeah stretches and it feels great for you to lower back too you know one of my friends is really into the inversion oh yeah love those you know what's the best one um teeter makes the ones that you hang by your ankles but they also make this thing called the decks do you know what that is it's the shit you put your legs in it almost like a leg curl thing and then it it hinges forward and so you're hanging just from your hips so there's no um the thing about the inversion table is you're hanging by your ankles it's great it does loosen everything up but this specifically targets your back that's how it works it's phenomenal it reminds me of that like ab crunch yes exactly exactly and you can do back extensions on that thing too you could use it for that as well if you want to but that oh sorry no it's okay this is like definitely good for like one of the things with ultra running that i noticed like there's a lot of weird things that like and one of them like is the swollen hands and like swollen feet and usually every time after a long run i'm always like putting putting my feet up yeah i'm sure Just to try to balance it out.

[953] That thing, though, you feel your back going like, pop, pop, pop, pop.

[954] You feel everything just sort of loosening up and decompressing.

[955] Yeah.

[956] Love that thing.

[957] Cool.

[958] You know, it's a great piece of equipment that I just started using recently?

[959] Let me guess.

[960] Go ahead.

[961] Give me a hint.

[962] It's for your legs.

[963] Is it, uh...

[964] Wait, is it the ones...

[965] Sound like...

[966] Is it like the ones that...

[967] puff up and give you a massage no those are great though normatech those are the shit yeah those are no this is an actual weightlifting thing oh maybe i never even heard of it then it's called monkey feet you know what monkey feet are i have yoga toes totally different yoga toes stretches your toes out that's great for your feet it's really good those are legit i like that i do too yeah monkey feet's a different thing it's a it's actually a harness that you put onto the bottom of your sneaker or your shoe and then underneath it you can hold the dumbbell so it's almost like you can hold something with your foot because this thing grasps the dumbbell at the bottom i need to see this yeah and you what it's great for is like your hip flexors you can lift like this you're lifting weights like up with your legs and doing leg curls with it it's phenomenal it's really good and it's amazing how fucking weak your legs are in those ways like even if you do a lot of squats yes like i can squat and deadlift and put some pretty heavy weight on the rack but this is like 25 pounds it's difficult for me to do a leg curl yeah i'm like oh this is shocking yes because i was like i was like these dumbbells like 25 pounds i'm like they're probably not going to be enough that's what i was thinking i'm probably going to have to curl like 75 80 pounds no 25 pounds i'm like five reps in i'm like oh shit like i'm falling apart here seven eight i'm like that's crazy 25 pounds is nothing i thought like my legs carry me around all day yeah but it's such an odd way for you to lift weights with your legs totally like i've been doing so so this is it oh wow yeah so you hook that thing onto your sneaker yeah and then the barbell or the dumbbell rather at the bottom hooks onto this thing and it's easy to take on and off it's really well engineered i love it how is this what if you just have like ankle weights how is this better than ankle weights oh ankle weights are okay but it's hard to get ankle weights in 25 35 pounds right okay most ankle weights like 5 10 this is better and uh i just i just think it's phenomenal i've been using it recently over the last like few weeks and uh i'm i'm very impressed and i'm impressed and i'm impressed and how fucking sore my thighs are afterwards.

[968] Yeah.

[969] Because I'm doing this thing.

[970] There's this guy, he's got a, it's called knees over toes.

[971] He's got this protocol for strengthening your knees.

[972] And it's crazy what this guy can accomplish physically, like what he's capable of.

[973] And this is a guy that's had a ton of different surgeries and one of his, his key moves, like these kind of moves.

[974] where they would always tell you don't ever have your knees over your toes when you squat and he's like no the reason why is because your knees aren't stable build your way up to that but then work those muscles and you get phenomenal strength what he calls dense strength in your legs like look what he could do with his hamstrings that's wild oh it's wild he goes all the way down forward and then can lift himself up and he can also go all the way back like so like he can like be on his knees and fall all the way back so his back touches the back of his heels and then without using his hands come back up like go yeah watch watch him do this because this is fucking crazy watch this all the way down now watch he goes all the way to bottom and then comes all the way back up again that's incredibly difficult to do so I've been doing this guy's workouts and he has them all available for free on his on his Instagram you can see how he's doing it or you can and sign up for their program and they'll put you...

[975] What does ATG stand for?

[976] What is it?

[977] Athletic Truth Group, I think.

[978] Yeah, click on that.

[979] On that one, click on that because there's a guy that's doing that guy that guy in the middle.

[980] Watch that guy.

[981] Watch this, because this is crazy.

[982] Now, this is what they hope you do.

[983] You can go from your toes all the way down to your knees like that, but watch.

[984] He goes all the way to the bottom.

[985] This is completely controlled.

[986] Now watch.

[987] He goes all the way down and back, and then all the way back up.

[988] It's incredible.

[989] I bet they have really good fail videos about this one.

[990] Yeah, but it's a slow build.

[991] That's why you need to follow the program.

[992] But look what it says in his quote there, Jamie, if you can pull it.

[993] This is not an example of a training session of how I got here.

[994] This is simply a test of what I've been working on for the past three years with Athletic Truth Group at Athletic Truth Group on Instagram because I never worked through pain on this entire journey to get to this point, which is really amazing.

[995] But as a person has been doing athletics and stretching my whole life, I'm super impressed by that movement.

[996] That's a very, very difficult movement to control, and that guy's doing it super slow.

[997] They do a lot of split squats, and the idea of these split squats, and they're working their way to that place where you can put weight, and as it goes lower and lower and lower, you're putting more and more pressure on the knee and on the surrounding stabilizing muscles.

[998] But I've had a big improvement just from doing this.

[999] I've been doing this following this protocol for the past few months.

[1000] And just my knees just feel stronger.

[1001] Like everything around it feels more stable and stronger.

[1002] I think what's encouraging about that too is him saying he never felt pain through it.

[1003] And I think, I mean, that's so cliche, but like no pain.

[1004] no gain like that's a message that doesn't always apply and is actually take it from a woman who rode across the entire fucking ocean okay that no pain no gain is for nonsense people i mean like pain is some our body giving us a helpful message yes like hey dude stop it settle down yeah well there's so many guys that you know um especially guys they just want to be uh they want to be uh they want to to be the person who can take the most pain, you know?

[1005] Yeah.

[1006] They want to pump each other up.

[1007] Let's go.

[1008] Let's go.

[1009] Let's go.

[1010] I mean, pain tolerance is a helpful thing for, like, doing athletic things for sure.

[1011] Especially for events, right?

[1012] Like when you're doing these 100 -mile runs, you're going to experience discomfort.

[1013] But I would say, like, even in a 100 -mile run, I think what's hardest is the first 10 miles because what I don't have is endorphins.

[1014] and endorphins give you energy, endorphins mask pain, endorphins.

[1015] Like, I think, yeah, what's, you know, some, yeah, like, you assume that the farther you go, the harder it is, but sometimes the farther I go, the easier it gets, which is kind of cool to experience.

[1016] That makes sense, I guess, up to a point.

[1017] Yes.

[1018] But those, like, Moab 240s.

[1019] Yes.

[1020] Yeah, after a while I would imagine, like, Jesus.

[1021] I think anything after 24 hours is when things start getting weird, just, like, hallucinating and, like, sometimes it's the blurred vision.

[1022] Mm -hmm.

[1023] Yeah.

[1024] Just because it's messing with your body's natural systems of, like, we need sleep.

[1025] Yeah.

[1026] But it's cool to see how you can take these extreme things and make it tolerable for your body.

[1027] And, like, even liquids, like, I don't eat food when I do these things.

[1028] Nothing?

[1029] No, just all sports drinks.

[1030] Gels?

[1031] Do you take any protein gels or?

[1032] No. It's mainly like sports drink.

[1033] One of them is called Perpetuum, which has a little bit of protein.

[1034] And then sometimes I get like this flavoredless sports drink.

[1035] And I don't know if this is true.

[1036] But like I read certain things about like 30 % of what you consume is used to break down and use it.

[1037] Like, if you're eating food, there's a large, well, a percent that is used to be able to break down that food.

[1038] So, like, I think it's really helpful to do, like, liquid -based because you're not, you don't have to break that down.

[1039] So more energy can go to movement rather than food.

[1040] And is this something that you've experienced through trial and error?

[1041] Yeah, yeah.

[1042] I've definitely, I think the hardest thing is just, like, getting enough.

[1043] calories in and getting enough and not also having like GI issues because I think that's common just like right just yeah I know a lot of people do those little eat cheeseburgers and all kinds of stuff while they're running yeah I have I have done that for like iron man's but the more I do it the more I just kind of treat it like a little science experiment where it's like okay what's 30 % of what I'm burning and what's like yeah and if you adjust to the liquid only I think it ends up being a lot better less can go wrong yeah um when you say not getting enough calories like when you have a drink like how many calories are in one of those drinks uh I want to say like 300 at least 300 calories yeah it would seem like you need a lot more than that well I've heard that like if you take in too much your body can't even use it so while you're running you mean uh -huh yeah but yeah that and bananas and that's pretty much it bananas is a big one yep bananas and sports drink that's all i need now did you learn how to eat for these things did you did you start off did you have some bad ideas that you had to like flush out um one time i did do an Iron Man and the coach that I was working with is like, it's like you went to the buffet and just had a little bit of everything.

[1044] And like, because I think I had like, um, like those, uh, I'm not like turkey jerky, but like just like that kind of thing and then fruity things.

[1045] And, um, yeah, I think I was so nervous and I was like, okay, I need to make sure I have sugar and salt and this and so um that definitely like it's not that i had to stop but it just was like i didn't feel as good and um like yeah i've definitely felt nauseous during some of these races but it doesn't help like with iron man that you're like kind of hunched over and like it's hard to keep anything down and so but yeah a lot of people don't can't you can't even keep things down when they're working out at that level so yeah i can only imagine what what is your diet like normally um right now i am vegetarian so um i mean it's nothing special it's just kind of generally healthy so vegetarian so you include eggs i do yeah it's a good move yeah do you have chickens if you have chickens it's the best move because then it's like your pets they give you food yeah i don't know like i read something recently about like uh like the conditions for people who are working at like yeah animal processing plants and how like it kind of like there's a certain kind of like PTSD that they experience and how like how mentally it affects if your job is to kill animals all day.

[1046] Oh, yeah.

[1047] How can you?

[1048] I just, yeah, I think.

[1049] Oh, that's not good.

[1050] No. You can't imagine that being good for someone to kill all day long and like how that messes with them psychologically.

[1051] So for me. One of the first things they look for in serial killers.

[1052] Exactly.

[1053] Like I was, detour animals.

[1054] Yeah, exactly.

[1055] So once I started reading stuff like that, I was like, that's okay.

[1056] I don't want to, like, and I know I could, like, hunt and do those things, but being vegetarians.

[1057] I bet you'd enjoy that, the hunting thing, because it's really difficult.

[1058] I bet you'd find that quite challenging, like an elk hunt.

[1059] I don't know.

[1060] Like, I feel like I would feel for the animal, though.

[1061] You would feel for the animal.

[1062] Yeah, I don't know if I could do that.

[1063] But you would eat it for a whole year.

[1064] Probably more.

[1065] Yeah.

[1066] Yeah.

[1067] If you shot like a, that's why, like, large animals are the way to go.

[1068] Yeah.

[1069] It's one death, and you can eat it all year.

[1070] Yeah.

[1071] One of my friends just, he got in the lottery.

[1072] Like in Maine, you have a lottery that you could, yeah, and he got in it.

[1073] Yeah.

[1074] Yeah, it's a hard tag to get in Maine.

[1075] So once in a lifetime tag, right?

[1076] Yeah, he's been trying to get on it for years and finally did.

[1077] Maine has some whopper moose, too.

[1078] Like, if you shoot a moose, you might eat it for two years.

[1079] Yeah.

[1080] Because you're talking about an animal that could be, you know, 1 ,500 pounds, plus and that's on the hoof probably like 600 pounds of meat yeah which is crazy it's a pound of meat almost every day for two years that's wild it's wild yeah it's um the best meat in the world for you too it's also just you understand where meat comes from you have a much deeper connection to your food yeah than if you're uh just going and buying chick filet totally yeah there's a we're we're we're fucking weird what we're doing with animals is weird in this country and our solution might be even weirder there's two solutions right one of them is to pretend that this slop that's pushed into a patty is is some kind of a meat product when it's beyond meat yeah it's beyond good for you that shit's terrible for you if you want to eat vegetarian you should eat actual real whole food like eat real vegetables yeah vegetables are good for you that shit's not good for you like that they've done these studies on rats and with one of those substitute meat burgers have shown like increasing rat liver cancer and all these problems these rats are having the other one that's weird is lab grown meat like that's strange to me um but sounds like it might be a way better alternative than factory farming if they can get it right but it just seems like wow like we're we're moving so close to like headless things you know that you just like saw parts off of and they're twitching and trying to get away but it doesn't matter because they don't have a head so what do you worry about it's just nerves yeah like it's it's the connection that you have to your food when you grow your own vegetables when you harvest your own meat that it's a different thing like food becomes a different thing it becomes a different thing it becomes a different thing it becomes a spiritual thing and that sounds crazy to people for people to hear like if i eat a piece of elk from an animal that i kill i'm connected to that i remember the arrow hitting the animal.

[1081] I remember carrying it out.

[1082] I remember stalking it.

[1083] I remember everything.

[1084] And I eat it for a year.

[1085] I give it to my friends.

[1086] You know, it's like the food is, it's a different thing.

[1087] If you grow a garden and you have a salad that you pulled from your garden, where you're eating that salad, like, you're connected to that.

[1088] Like, you planted it.

[1089] You cleaned it.

[1090] You harvest it.

[1091] Like of a leaf drops on the ground, you pick it up and you wash it off.

[1092] You don't throw it away.

[1093] Like you, this is, you grew that leaf there's something we're we're doing ourselves a severe disservice and i know most people can't be involved in all of the preparation or the harvesting of their food they just don't have the time yeah they have a family they have a job they have this they have a that i get it but if you can if you can find the time to grow your own food if you can find the time if you eat meat to hunt i highly recommend it totally like uh the college that i went to actually is It was a farm school.

[1094] So we worked the farm, and then we had, like, a community service component and, like, ran the school.

[1095] But we had our own plots of land, and the cafeteria was all from, like, the cattle.

[1096] And so it was very crunchy granola.

[1097] And, like, but once you taste food, that's like that it's hard not to eat that again.

[1098] Taste better, and you just feel better about it.

[1099] Yeah.

[1100] you appreciate it yes you appreciate it yeah we're like some spoiled trust fund kids their perception of money you know like it's always there like that's how we feel about meat and food it's weird yeah it's not and it's real recent you know human beings have only been allowed to have this luxury over the last 100 years and not really even 100 years it's really been over the last 50 or 60 and correspondingly we've gotten way fatter if you look at people from the 19th 1930s and 1940s, my goodness, those people look slim.

[1101] You know, I mean, they weren't healthy.

[1102] It's hard to get food back then.

[1103] It was difficult, right?

[1104] Like, a lot of people were fucking starving in the 1800s, right?

[1105] But people now, it's like, this is not the better option to be eating so much that you're fat.

[1106] Like, we're so weird that our poor people are fat.

[1107] Well, it's, I mean.

[1108] That's never happened before.

[1109] Usually, like, the cheaper food is the not healthy.

[1110] be like it's harder to like yeah i mean i i i wouldn't you agree that like it's having poor people having to be dealing with obesity is usually because of the like what is the it's like called a food desert when there's places that they don't even have yeah fresh foods so i think yeah like if you lack financial resources that's even more reason that you wouldn't be able to access that but yeah not only that that's a terrible cycle to try to get out of if you grow up in that environment you live in that environment and you grow up eating that way and your family eats that way and the people around you eat that way and everyone around you is poor it's super hard to get out of that totally i mean you're you kind of adjust to that and then like i don't know like how certain fast foods have things that make it so that you're more addicted to oh yeah for sure a lot of sugar the sugar and all that stuff it's also you know what we were talking about before that i've uh from having all these conversations with people my my box the like my understanding of human beings is way wider it's way different because i've experienced all these people if you only experience a small number of people your box would be very small and you put people in well if you your environment is so important and if your environment is very limiting and if you're only experiencing bad food and shitty people and poverty and being in this weird crime -ridden area that's your box like it's very hard for a person like that to escape it's very hard for a person like that to recalibrate their view of the world and I don't understand why we don't put more effort into trying to expand the box that these people live in the perspective that these people have because it would benefit everybody.

[1111] Yeah.

[1112] And I don't, it's like, I've always said this.

[1113] And I was saying this when Trump was in office and he was like, make America great again.

[1114] This is how you make American great again.

[1115] Make it so there's less losers.

[1116] Less people lose at life.

[1117] And I don't mean losers like there's something wrong with them.

[1118] I mean like they got a bad hand.

[1119] Right.

[1120] If you're playing poker and you have four aces and I have a one, I'm fucked.

[1121] Right?

[1122] And that's a lot of people's lives.

[1123] Well, if you have more people who have better hands, then you have a better, stronger country.

[1124] Because you have more competition, you have more opportunity, you have more exceptional people.

[1125] Through that competition, more people are going to rise, more people are going to innovate, more people are going to create businesses and chase their dreams, and it's going to inspire more people.

[1126] You're going to have less crime.

[1127] It's great for everybody.

[1128] Totally.

[1129] But for whatever reason, there's zero political emphasis on this.

[1130] Zero.

[1131] It's never a factor.

[1132] Whenever people running for president, they're never saying, what we've got to do is take these impoverished communities and fucking fix that.

[1133] We need to fix that because it can be fixed.

[1134] If we can go to Afghanistan and send thousands of troops and nuclear bombs, tell me we can't fix Chicago.

[1135] Tell me we can't fix House outta Chicago.

[1136] Tell me we can't fix Detroit or Baltimore or pick your impoverished neighborhood that's been crime -ridden for decade after decade after decade with almost no federal emphasis on repair yeah so if there's one area you think our country could improve the most and what change would you think well there's a bunch of areas right but that's a big one a big one is the the way people grow up and the environment they grow up in and the the people that grow up without hope and that they're what they're imitating because people imitate their atmosphere when they're children they grow up you're seeing people that are constantly going to jail, constantly involved in violence, constantly involved in crime, and that, you become acclimated to that.

[1137] That's what you're used to.

[1138] Yeah.

[1139] That needs to be fixed.

[1140] If you grow up in, you know, pick a nice place, you know, some Boulder, Colorado or whatever, it's not like that, right?

[1141] It's beautiful, it's kind people, everybody's friendly, it's different, right?

[1142] Because you don't have the same pressure.

[1143] You don't have gangs in Boulder.

[1144] You don't have all the, you know, so these places, it's just, it's just literally a matter of, you got to, the universe gave you a shitty roll of the dice.

[1145] Yes.

[1146] And you were born into a bad neighborhood.

[1147] I agree.

[1148] I guess one of my encouragements in that is like, sometimes, like, when you have, like, like you said, Boulder, Colorado, everyone's friendly and do, like, the nice things, right?

[1149] Not everyone, but you, but the nice things, like sometimes there's the diamond in the rough.

[1150] And sometimes under that pressure, something can be born that wouldn't be born without all the chaos and all the.

[1151] And so maybe those, while I would never wish poverty, while I would never wish crime and all those heartaches, I have seen the stories.

[1152] I have, you know, I think anyone can identify.

[1153] with, oh, this thing was really hard, but then this beautiful thing came from it.

[1154] So, yes, and I think some of the biggest redemption stories come from places where something is so broken that someone rises to do something about it.

[1155] Or, I don't know.

[1156] You know what I mean, right?

[1157] I do know what you're saying.

[1158] That through, yeah, through pressure, you create diamonds.

[1159] Yeah.

[1160] That is true.

[1161] But I don't want everyone to have to do that.

[1162] I feel like you can make your own pressure.

[1163] Yeah.

[1164] Look at you.

[1165] You know, you've made your own pressure, right?

[1166] I think that challenges are very good for people.

[1167] But I don't necessarily think the kind of challenges that you get if you're born in the South Side of Chicago and, you know, you're watching people get shot all the time.

[1168] Absolutely.

[1169] I don't think that's...

[1170] But out of those environments comes to pretty amazing, exceptional people because they've risen through all these obstacles and through that adversity, they've gained tremendous character.

[1171] Totally.

[1172] You get amazing artists.

[1173] right you get amazing musicians and comedians and those kinds of people that have come from these horrible environments that is true it's almost like you hear that more than you hear like oh everything was perfect this thing happened like this great from exceptional people you mean yeah i i would say that's a common thread do you want to have children someday um i don't know you don't know One of the things that's ironic is, for me at least, all my favorite people came from a fucked up environment, all of them.

[1174] All of them came from either crime -ridden neighborhoods or horrible uprings or chaos, and through that they've developed this amazing character.

[1175] Because most of my favorite people are either fighters, martial artists, or stand -up comedians.

[1176] That's most of the group that I hang around with.

[1177] And they're all from chaos, all of them.

[1178] But through that, I'm just so lucky that I know these exceptional people that are just, they're so, they're so battle tested, you know, and then some people are just made out of jello.

[1179] Some people, they're little bags, little skinny, fucking thin, walled, like, Ziploc bags of jello, just, there's no character and no form, and they just don't have any ability to weather the storm.

[1180] Because they never have had to Yeah It's like the character has to be tested for it to So as a parent It's so fucked up because I don't want my kids to struggle My babies I don't want them to have a hard time I want them to be happy And I want them to be loved And I want them to have good friends And I want them to pursue their dreams And have a good time That's what I want everybody to have a good time But all my favorite people Came from madness So it's weird So I think I encourage my kids to do difficult things And they do They do difficult things They're interested in challenges And you develop character Through those challenges And I think that's why sports are so important For people Because some of the most fucked up people that I know In terms of psychologically And their ability to cope And adapt and form relationships They never competed and they don't know how to lose and they consider because I think there's something in human beings where competing is an inherent it's a part of your DNA in some strange way and I think like it comes from survival I think it comes from stealing and conquering and taking from one person because you don't have enough and there's this weird sort of thing that humans evolved doing when they were just scratching and scrounging before civilization came along And civilization came along and then it calmed down a little bit because it's like it's less important to do that and more important that everybody stick together and keep the wall strong to keep the invaders from coming in.

[1181] But if you don't know how to lose, if you don't know how to pick yourself back up and try again, if you don't, you're not going to be good at relationships.

[1182] You're not going to be good at compromise.

[1183] You're not going to be good at understanding defeat.

[1184] You're not going to be good at understanding objective analysis of your own behavior, objective analysis of your skill set.

[1185] The people who can't do that are almost all people that have never had those super uncomfortable moments where you do lose.

[1186] I think those are hugely valuable lessons for people.

[1187] I was listening to a TED Talk and it was about like this guy who set out on a quest to fail.

[1188] And like at the end it was so hard for him.

[1189] to like um or be rejected and like yeah it's almost like our society is so like all about success and like just kind of i know that ted talk you're talking about yeah and he had to try to go to the neighbors and he wanted to like plant a shrub in their front yard and they're like no but this lady down the street would love it and like okay yeah yeah yeah but like that is a beautiful thing and like i think yeah on any journey to be successful it's like you have to really get comfortable being unsuccessful or failure just being okay with failure that's yeah it's it's important the you only get the peaks if you've experienced the valleys you just you don't get those peaks if you're just on a fucking peak all the time what's the biggest failure that was hard for you to bounce back from I've had a lot of them I don't know where to start As a comedian you have a lot of them Because you bomb a lot Especially in the beginning There's a lot of bombing And then before that I was a martial artist I'm still a martial artist I used to fight So I lost Losing in fights is not That's the worst But you're not just losing in fights But just like losing in training Because you're training And you get your ass kicked in the gym That's terrible I mean when you lose It hurts for you like when I lose yeah it's yeah it doesn't have the same even when you win it hurts a lot yeah yeah and it just hurts it hurts everywhere like your arms hurt and you realize oh I got kicked there like you're like why how come I can't pick something up with my left arm and then you realize like oh yeah I took a shin to my elbow no my elbows fucked up for a couple weeks or I didn't tap out to this arm and now I can't do a chin up for a few weeks because I decided I was going to try to be a meathead and muscle out of something instead of tapping and now I can't do a chin up like and now my neck doesn't work so good because someone caught me in a guillotine and yeah there's always that I think martial arts are a great vehicle in that for that what I always say is that's I learned this from my Taekwendo instructor when I was a kid that martial arts is a vehicle for developing your human potential because it's not what you think you're doing is you're trying to win exchanges and fights and sparring rounds, but what you're really trying to do is get better.

[1190] You're trying to get better, and the problem is presenting itself in the form of this thinking, intelligent person that also can do all the things you can do.

[1191] So you're not kicking an inanimate object.

[1192] You're trying to kick a person who knows that you're trying to kick them, and they know how to kick you, and they're trying to kick you.

[1193] And so you're both doing it at the same time.

[1194] And it's this wild exchange of bones.

[1195] technique and the consequences are terrible if you fuck up do you have like a lot of adrenaline when you go until these fights like well i haven't done it a long time now i just spar but uh and i hardly ever i like i haven't kickbox barred in more than a year and the uh jiu jitsu sparring is not as scary because the jihitsu sparring is you're just trying to choke each other it's like and you can always tap it's it's the consequences the only the really the scary thing about jujitsu is injuring yourself right It's like you get an ankle rolls and then your knee pops or, you know, so you get caught in a funny thing and your neck gets fucked up.

[1196] That's what's scary about jiu -jitsu.

[1197] It's like the car.

[1198] And what's scary for a lot of people that do jiu -jitsu is the idea that you're going to get hurt and you're not going to be able to do it.

[1199] Yeah.

[1200] Because people get so addicted to it.

[1201] Oh, yeah.

[1202] Like, I feel like the hardest thing is not actually starting at stopping.

[1203] Like, and like for me, now I'm at a place where it's like I'm not afraid of going.

[1204] I'm going, I'm afraid of going too far, going so far that, like, I mean, Rabda was the last one and, like, I, yeah, just knowing the limit and, like, where.

[1205] Have you ever tired any martial arts?

[1206] No. You're really strong.

[1207] I'm sure you'd be great at Jiu -Jitsu.

[1208] Well, thank you.

[1209] If you could fucking row across the entire, I mean, my goodness, what kind of core strength and leg strength and shoulder strength you must have.

[1210] You must be strong as fuck.

[1211] I mean.

[1212] You have to be.

[1213] To do Iron Mazz, do all that stuff, and to have that kind of endurance, you'd probably be amazing at Jiu -Jitsu.

[1214] We've just got to work on your flexibility.

[1215] Oh, okay.

[1216] No, but you probably would love it.

[1217] I don't know about injury, though.

[1218] You know, I don't want to.

[1219] You don't get injured all the time, you know.

[1220] It seems like you get more injured than ultra stuff.

[1221] Well, I would imagine you guys get a lot of stress fractures, and Goggins sent me some pictures of his fucking knees.

[1222] where he got his knees drained, and it was like these three giant tubes of blood that were in his knees.

[1223] I mean, giant fucking syringes of blood and pus in his knees.

[1224] Yeah, I never experienced anything like that.

[1225] Well, he's crazy, though.

[1226] If he's hurt, you're never going to hear about it.

[1227] He's just going to keep going.

[1228] What was that?

[1229] Yeah, I said if he's hurt, you're never going to hear about it.

[1230] He's just going to keep going.

[1231] So he's got all this, you know, injuries compound and just has to.

[1232] to get his knees drained.

[1233] Yeah.

[1234] My friend's a doctor, worked on him, and they sent me pictures of the pus and the blood.

[1235] But why?

[1236] Because his knees swole up from running, because he's constantly running, like ridiculous miles.

[1237] I know people who run ridiculous miles and do not have whatever that.

[1238] They should run with David Goggins.

[1239] He sends me text messages out of nowhere.

[1240] Stay hard!

[1241] Just out of nowhere.

[1242] just tells you to stay hard like okay have you ever seen his videos online okay here's the thing you could have fun you could stay hard but you could have fun he doesn't have any fun he's not interested in having he's not interested in having he does have fun I've had fun with them I've taken him to UFC fights he's had dinner together he's fun he's great to hang out with you could run 100 miles and have fun he's not interested in that he's interested in killing demons like some of these like Even professional triathletes, like Christy Wellington, she always looks like she's having fun.

[1243] Yeah.

[1244] Huge smile.

[1245] David Goggins is interested in taking those demons inside of his head and making them his bitch.

[1246] He could have fun too.

[1247] He's missing out on time.

[1248] Make those demons, your bitch!

[1249] Those demons ain't going away!

[1250] You ever seen his videos that he has on Instagram?

[1251] Yeah, I see.

[1252] I have seen some of his stuff.

[1253] They get you uncomfortable?

[1254] Well, I'm just like, we could have fun.

[1255] No, no, no. There's no fun.

[1256] His fun is his fun.

[1257] His fun is making demons as bitch.

[1258] Okay.

[1259] Well, I just mean like you could do the same thing and you could do them in different ways.

[1260] Yeah, yeah.

[1261] And I prefer doing it in a fun way.

[1262] This is a new one?

[1263] Pretty new.

[1264] We go to that one that I had out, that I put up on my Instagram because it's hilarious because it was so one of the more recent.

[1265] I put a bunch of them up, but one of the more recent ones that I put up where he was talking about making his demons as bitch.

[1266] that like you know he came from a place i think what's encouraging for his story is like he was like 300 pounds yeah yeah he developed this mindset because he was just embarrassed by how weak he felt he just felt like he was weak and he's soft and he allowed himself to get horribly out of shape there it is right there i think i've seen this one I'm training for life.

[1267] 2020 was a perfect example of that.

[1268] A lot of people lost jobs, lost businesses, lost family members.

[1269] A lot of folks spend a lot of time in the hospital, on ventilators.

[1270] That should have caused a lot of demons in your brain.

[1271] Folks see how much that work out.

[1272] And they think I'm running from demons.

[1273] It's not demons.

[1274] It's discipline.

[1275] And I'm a disciple of discipline.

[1276] You cannot run your demons.

[1277] They always find you.

[1278] Only way to beat them motherfuckers is look at them out of the eye and make them your bitch.

[1279] My sense is the only thing that gets you through hard times.

[1280] Merry fucking Christmas.

[1281] You will not see a video like that.

[1282] I love that guy, so much.

[1283] I love him so much.

[1284] I'm just so happy he's out there.

[1285] Make him, you bitch!

[1286] Look those demons into eye!

[1287] While he's running!

[1288] And you know, he's really thinking those thoughts.

[1289] That is not insincere.

[1290] You know, there's a lot of people that have these, like, hype up, motivational things.

[1291] What you need to do with your life is you need to get everything together.

[1292] You need to get out there and get pumped up and have some positive energy and go out there and attack the world.

[1293] You know, they're full of shit.

[1294] There's like, these are empty promises.

[1295] This is a hollow vessel.

[1296] That dude is thinking that while he's saying it, while he's doing it.

[1297] He's in there, he's running, while he's saying those words, he's thinking, I'm making those demons, my bitch.

[1298] And he's doing it.

[1299] Yeah.

[1300] And you know how people saw that video and just said, fuck it, I'm going out.

[1301] And they just put the running shoes on.

[1302] They just start running or they hit the gym.

[1303] They started doing chin ups.

[1304] He started doing something.

[1305] Like, that guy is it, he is an engine of motivation.

[1306] he makes things happen yeah his just his life leading by example yeah makes things happen yeah I see it I know but you're not that way but you don't have to be that way you can have a good time and smile through your trials and tribulations I mean I think what is also underrated is habit like there's motivation and then there's habit and like I don't know here's what I've experienced about motivation like most people like think you have to be motivated before you run a hundred miles or before you run a mile or before you do things but I find that motivation happens while or after you begin like running one mile makes it easier to run the next mile or like whatever it is if you're writing a paper it's a lot easier after you write the first page so like I don't even think motivation is that important.

[1307] Like you don't need to wait to be motivated to do anything.

[1308] You just do it.

[1309] And then motivation, it's kind of like motivation equals movement.

[1310] And it's easier to move once you kick the ball.

[1311] And so the ball just keeps moving.

[1312] So even motivation, it's like, yes, of course, it's important.

[1313] But if you just say, oh, I'm just going to do it and motivation will eventually show up it's kind of like your friend that's always late to the party like oh that's motivation like usually I don't know I don't know if motivation do you see what I mean I do see what you mean yeah no I completely agree with you that motivation is not it's not primary discipline is primary correct exactly like motivation is like feelings like um like we don't like we don't say, oh, do I feel like rushing my teeth today?

[1314] Do I feel like doing this?

[1315] Sometimes it's just like you make a choice.

[1316] And whether you feel or don't feel, you've already just made a commitment and you just understand that sometimes you feel or don't feel, but, eh.

[1317] I completely agree with you.

[1318] I feel like motivation is like, for me, it's dessert.

[1319] What's important is the food.

[1320] Yes.

[1321] But I like dessert too.

[1322] That's true.

[1323] So motivation is dessert.

[1324] So sometimes I just like motivation sometimes i just want to listen to some fucking crazy music and watch fights on the tv and work out like a monster just go crazy totally and i need motivation like that's my motivation like ah and go crazy but the bulk of the work gets done where i like have a cup of coffee i get up in the morning and i don't want to do it yeah i'm not feeling like oh i'm gonna go work out like a fucking savage no i'm not thinking that but i have a schedule and so like especially like my kickboxing workout days i know exactly what i have to do so i start the timer and i have three rounds of shadow boxing with weights so i do the three rounds and then i have six rounds on the reckon ball bag and then i have six rounds on the tie bag and then by the time i'm done with a reckon ball bag i am nine rounds in i'm soaked with sweat music is playing and now i'm going now i'm going now i'm bah bam Now everything is like super energetic, but it's because I made myself do it.

[1325] Because in the beginning, like, I work out most of the time at like 9 in the morning.

[1326] I don't want to work out 9 in the morning.

[1327] I don't want to do that.

[1328] I don't want to do that.

[1329] But I have to do that.

[1330] So I do that.

[1331] And just one foot in front of the other, and next thing you know, it's happening.

[1332] What I love about the kickboxing workout days when I do those is I have a timer.

[1333] I have this title.

[1334] There's a company that makes this boxing timer.

[1335] and it just shows me a red light when I don't have to go and a green light when I go.

[1336] And the green light goes on, it goes, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding.

[1337] And then I have three rounds of savagery.

[1338] And then after that, it'll give me a whole minute where I could drink water and rest.

[1339] I know it's coming.

[1340] Here it comes.

[1341] And ding, ding, ding, round starts again.

[1342] And then, so I'm on a schedule.

[1343] Like, I can't deviate.

[1344] The schedule's clear.

[1345] It's right in front of you.

[1346] You have to do it.

[1347] those things so that's like like schedules are really important like you can't say oh I'm gonna work out what am I gonna do hmm you know fucking write it out bitch yeah write down what you're gonna do and then just go do that and then once you start doing it once you're a couple steps in three four movements in you know you're on your third set you're on your fifth set then you're in it then you're in it then you're sweating then everything's going but for someone who's maybe thinking like I gotta get my shit together I don't know wrong with me you watch a video like that that is where where motivation comes in motivation is like those embers those very first few embers you can't heat your fucking house with embers you need logs you need a fire you need to chop the wood you need to do all that work yeah but sometimes people just need a video they need something that's true and just i think just seeing someone else do it yeah because then you're not the person like if you see someone else then you're like okay if he's doing it i can too but yeah i've i've watched videos like that when i was training to do like pull -ups and just seeing because yeah i felt like how many phillips can you do in a row uh right now i don't think i could do more than the couple but like what was that at your best like 10 that's pretty good oh cool don't you think the most um push -ups was like 50 and then the most wow that's a lot I was happy about that one.

[1348] That's pretty good.

[1349] Because, like, it was for Coast Guard training, and that was the maximum that the females could do.

[1350] So I was like, that's the maximum they let you do?

[1351] That you can get, to get, like, we get tested on, like, for officer training, we were tested for running, sit -ups, and push -ups.

[1352] So push -ups, you're at the top of the food chain.

[1353] Yeah, that's impressive.

[1354] That's 50s a lot.

[1355] But for a woman, 10 chin -ups is a lot.

[1356] That's, you know, strict chin -ups, that's a lot.

[1357] I was definitely training for that and, like, for a summer.

[1358] When I see those CrossFit, those kipping ones?

[1359] Yeah, no. And I was like, I don't know if that's the way to do it.

[1360] No. I mean, there's probably a benefit in that there's something to it.

[1361] It does look weird, though.

[1362] Well, you know, there's a guy named Fador Emilian Anko.

[1363] He was probably one of the greatest heavyweight fighters of all time.

[1364] used to be the heavyweight champion of pride and i used to watch him do that he always did those kipping pull -ups i would probably have made fun of them if i didn't see fadoe doing them oh i'm like maybe there's something to it yeah maybe but it seems like it's not as not as hard i mean when i was like specifically trying to do it i would definitely be um like when i was going down that was when I would try to take as much time versus even going up.

[1365] Yeah, me too.

[1366] Yeah.

[1367] Because that seems like the way to do it.

[1368] Do you ever do CrossFit or anything like that?

[1369] I have done it in the like sometimes in the winters.

[1370] I'll do it but I mainly like doing body weight.

[1371] Like right now I'm doing a lot of bar.

[1372] Which like you were saying earlier are like with B -A -R -R -E right for people at home yes what does she mean she goes to the bar what does that but like some of these workouts I'm only using like five pound weights and I could like totally blow out like my muscle groups and stuff I have these egg weights that I shadow box with they're five pounds five pounds in each hand you can it's hard especially the ones where you're like that oh yeah you don't need a lot of weight for a lot of exercise especially when your shoulders are extended with weight like when you do eyes wise and teas you know those you don't need like 15 pounds is a lot when you're doing those yeah it seems like it shouldn't be but it is you know definitely the shoulder stuff yeah can tell like all you need is fine yeah a small amount of weight i use uh do you know what club bells are you ever use those they're these um like it's like a club like a small baseball bat made out of steel and I do the crazy workout with them with 15 pounds where it's called you know what a shield cast is do you know this is fancy stuff no shield cast is like you if you had it in your hand like this like this if this was the bar you'd go like this around and then you hold it oh yeah yes yeah and it's amazing for shoulder mobility and shoulder strength and endurance and it's really good stuff and it's 15 pounds it's like if someone's like all right we're going to work out hard today pick up the 15 pounds people are get out of here bitch that's uh he's doing a two -hander one so he's doing it with it that looks like a heavier club that looks like probably maybe 25 or maybe even 35 pounds which is a great way to work out too for the 35 pounds and again people would say 35 pounds I need shit bro I need heavier have you been able to do workouts with people on your show like David Guggins?

[1373] I've worked out with some people in the show.

[1374] Cam Haynes is a good buddy of mine.

[1375] We've worked out a bunch of times.

[1376] The runner?

[1377] Yeah.

[1378] Well, he's a bow hunter.

[1379] You know, he's a weird guy.

[1380] He, in a good way.

[1381] He got into running so he could have more endurance for bow hunting because he hunts elk in the mountains.

[1382] He considers that the ultimate challenge.

[1383] Yeah, so all of his endurance and all of his 100 -mile races and all that shit.

[1384] He got into all that, all of his crazy workout routines and lifting weights routines.

[1385] He got into that entirely to be the best bow hunter on earth.

[1386] And he arguably is the best.

[1387] He's certainly in the top three.

[1388] Like, this is a tight argument for who's number one.

[1389] I tend to think he's number one.

[1390] Because he's just, there's no one else who could do the stuff that he does on top of that, the physical things he does on top of that.

[1391] So he can get to places that other people, like sometimes like you'll see an elk.

[1392] They'll cross a ridge and you have to get to them before they get to like a valley where they'll be out in the open.

[1393] He can get there quicker than anybody can.

[1394] And he can get there and not be tired, right?

[1395] So he could literally run after this animal, and his heart rate will be at a total manageable level.

[1396] Whereas, like, if I went after it, I'd be fucking dead, you know, like, or fat guy is fucked, right?

[1397] He can get to places quicker.

[1398] And so his idea was, I need to be in the best possible shape that I can to be the most successful.

[1399] I can.

[1400] It's something that generally has, like, a less than 10 % success rate.

[1401] is bow hunting for elk.

[1402] So very, for the average person, not for a person like him, but the average person.

[1403] But even a person like him, he's never unsuccessful.

[1404] Like every year he's successful, which is just nuts.

[1405] Like most people, you know, every year or two, you come up empty because it's hard.

[1406] It's a hard thing to do.

[1407] Even if you're really good at it and you practice all the time, it's a difficult pursuit.

[1408] So his thing is very different than other people's thing because he's not doing it just to test himself.

[1409] He is definitely doing that.

[1410] but he's also doing it because he wants to be the best bow hunter on earth so is that common for bow hunters to also train with like doing running it is because of him oh so he's changed the world like literally the world of bow hunting is forever changed because of him 100 % yeah he's got countless people out there men and women that are training they're doing like rucking up hills with weights on their back, you know, they're doing all kinds of crazy, you know, different weightlifting workouts and running workouts and all these different things so that they can be fit.

[1411] In fact, since he started doing it, I mean, he's been doing it for decades, but they've actually developed these athletic contests that have to do with getting fit just for hunting.

[1412] So there's like a whole, like there's a bunch of different organizations that provide various workouts specifically designed for mountain hunters because you're dealing with high altitude very steep inclines very difficult terrain you have to be fit like it's the number one problem when i've talked to my friends that are that are um uh guides that take people like that know the terrain to take people professionally to hunt like what's the number one problem he's like fitness number one problem with the clients is fitness huh there's a lot of these people just can't keep up.

[1413] I wonder if they have like similar workouts to like firefighters and like just carrying gear.

[1414] Sure.

[1415] Sure.

[1416] They say it's legs and lungs.

[1417] Those are the two most important things for an Alconnor to be successful.

[1418] Legs and lungs.

[1419] You have to have leg endurance and you have to have cardiovascular fitness.

[1420] That makes sense.

[1421] And those are things that every, most men I hate to work on.

[1422] You know, everybody just wants to be fucking jacked.

[1423] They don't want to look good, but that's, it's pretty easy it's like lifting weights like that kind of lifting weights like to be pumped is it's not easy you know if it was easy everybody do it but it's way easier than running up hills like running up hills is fucking terrible it is the worst but running downhills it's really fun you like running downhills so i officiated my friend's wedding on mount reneer and the last three miles were like snowfields and we brought tarps and we were like lounging down.

[1424] Oh, wow.

[1425] It was amazing.

[1426] That sounds fun.

[1427] Then the rest of it, you could like run down.

[1428] It's, yeah, running down hills is really cool.

[1429] You should try.

[1430] Okay.

[1431] See, you're...

[1432] You just feel like you're flying.

[1433] Yeah, I get it.

[1434] It seems like a lot of pounding, though.

[1435] Is it pounding on your knees?

[1436] I think it's kind of like similar to if you were like jumping on a trampoline or very light and springy as long as you're not locking out your knees.

[1437] Yeah, I say yes, but like I'm also a midfoot runner, so I think that makes, that helps.

[1438] As opposed to a heel runner.

[1439] Yeah, heel striker.

[1440] I think like heel striking is like three times the impact.

[1441] Yeah, must be terrible for you.

[1442] Isn't it amazing that that's all because of Nike?

[1443] Yeah.

[1444] Then they made the running shoe and made the heel part fat so you could run on your heels and they change people's gait.

[1445] Yeah, well, it's changed.

[1446] Now shoes are different for sure.

[1447] but it's pretty bizarre that they did that yeah like people forever ran on the balls their feet yeah I mean yeah and now looking back it's like well yeah that makes sense it's where all the padding is and how we walk when we're not in shoes like yeah I mean it's what's crazy is that your foot is designed as a spring yeah like it actually reduces the the impact it actually catches you yeah and let's it you know let's just decelerate they're definitely getting better with like the wider toe boxes too so that you can actually use your toes and splay them out yes yeah wider toebox is big I have wide feet so for me that's very important like narrow running shoes I was running on those uh vibrams for a while those five toe shoes you don't like those you can look you face you don't like the way they look or you don't like the way they feel I don't like the little toe jam ones?

[1448] Yeah, the toe shoes.

[1449] No. You don't like the way they look?

[1450] I don't like the way they feel.

[1451] Like, toe jam.

[1452] To jam.

[1453] Their toe jam shoes.

[1454] Like, because they feel like something stuck in between your toes.

[1455] Like, it's not supposed to be there.

[1456] But do you think there's any benefit to each toe being able to articulate?

[1457] Yes, absolutely.

[1458] Like, you're using different muscles and your feet and your legs.

[1459] And so, yeah, absolutely.

[1460] Because if you don't have that, you know, yeah, yeah, of course.

[1461] Have you ever seen that image of, it's the early 1900s, Native American Thorpe?

[1462] Jim Thorpe.

[1463] Jim Thorpe, when he won the Olympics.

[1464] He won the Olympics and someone that's stolen his shoes.

[1465] So he found a pair of shoes in the garbage, and they were mismatch, and one of them was bigger than the other one.

[1466] So on one of them, he wore two socks.

[1467] He had, like, extra socks on one of them.

[1468] and they're two different colors, and he won the fucking gold medal with these shoes.

[1469] He needs an extra medal for that.

[1470] And they look like shoes that people wore when they would, like, work in an office or something.

[1471] That's him.

[1472] That is hilarious.

[1473] That's him.

[1474] When he won the fucking gold medal in the Olympics with those shoes on.

[1475] He might have been better off being barefoot, though, like that point.

[1476] I don't know.

[1477] Looks like he's got spikes in them things.

[1478] See?

[1479] Wow.

[1480] Doesn't that look like spikes in the front of both of them?

[1481] Totally does, right?

[1482] Yeah.

[1483] I've definitely done like...

[1484] 1912 Olympics.

[1485] Jim, pull that up a little...

[1486] Jim and American Indian from Oklahoma were representing the U .S. in track and field.

[1487] In the morning of his competitions, his shoes were stolen.

[1488] Probably by the fucking Russians.

[1489] Jim ended up finding two shoes in a garbage can.

[1490] That's the pair he's wearing this photo.

[1491] But one of the shoes was too big, so he'd wear an extra sock.

[1492] We're in those shoes, Jim won two gold medals that day.

[1493] Isn't that amazing?

[1494] Yeah.

[1495] it's not a hard man right there so there you go you're like I don't know what to say to that but I mean what people wore back then but the other thing about shoes back then is they're basically minimalist shoes if you look at it right yeah like when Jesse Owens ran if you look at his shoes those were what you would consider a minimalist shoe today yeah right like all the padding all that jazz that's kind of non -existent back then yeah i mean i i know that people do the barefoot stuff and um i think that just being on concrete like the last ultra i did was like running across main and it was all concrete and even then i had edema which is like swelling of your um ankles and stuff so i bad um yeah it was pretty bad like it was bruised What do you do when you get out of there when something like that's over?

[1496] How do you recover from?

[1497] So I, like, the first 100 -mileer I did, I remember waking up and, like, I had to go to the bathroom.

[1498] And I was like, okay, time to go to the bathroom.

[1499] And I remember, like, telling my legs to move and they didn't.

[1500] So I was, like, physically.

[1501] Oh, wow.

[1502] Yeah.

[1503] I didn't.

[1504] That was the first.

[1505] So usually it takes, like, two days for me to be able to, like, walk again.

[1506] like normally um stairs are usually really hard but uh usually like for a lot of these events um i don't sleep well the first night just because i still have so much like adrenaline and so much like just really amped up but then yeah it's just a matter of like sleeping a lot and um doing like light walks and um but do you use those normatac boots uh I have, like there's a treadmill gym in Portland that I've used them after some of my...

[1507] You don't have a trip?

[1508] No. Can we get you up here?

[1509] I don't know, can you?

[1510] Yeah, yeah, I'll get you up here.

[1511] Woo!

[1512] Yeah.

[1513] I'm thinking of doing another running adventure.

[1514] Okay.

[1515] What are you going to do?

[1516] It's a world record.

[1517] A world record?

[1518] Yeah, I can't.

[1519] You can't tell anybody?

[1520] Can we help?

[1521] Can we, like, sponsor you or something?

[1522] Yeah, that'd be amazing.

[1523] All right, we're in.

[1524] All right.

[1525] It's in June.

[1526] In June?

[1527] Okay.

[1528] All right.

[1529] Well, we'll talk off the air.

[1530] All right.

[1531] You can't spill the beans on the program.

[1532] But when you announce it, then can you spill the beans?

[1533] Sure.

[1534] Okay, so you want to come back right before you do it?

[1535] Sure.

[1536] Okay.

[1537] Let's do it.

[1538] We'll pump it up.

[1539] All right, sounds good.

[1540] I'll get Norma Tech to hook you up.

[1541] Okay.

[1542] Yeah, that would be amazing.

[1543] Yeah, you need those.

[1544] How do you not have those?

[1545] Well, I like, I'm a little bit of like on a shoestring kind of.

[1546] of adventure sometimes but um we'll take care of it oh my god thank you so much no problem um yeah so i have used those but um foam rolling and like putting your legs up the wall is usually what i do but uh yeah i'd say within a week those rollers are not telling you about same company yeah yeah high prices same company yeah they make the normatic boots they make those crazy rollers that vibrate.

[1547] You're going to throw those regular rollers out.

[1548] Wait until you try these things.

[1549] Okay.

[1550] It's bananas.

[1551] Yeah.

[1552] You're like, yikes.

[1553] But, yeah, for, like, my last run, I like, I like running too much to run for at least three weeks until afterwards.

[1554] So you run?

[1555] So, like, after running across Maine, I stopped running for three weeks until my body was, like, completely healed because I think when I say I love running too much to run immediately after it's because I don't want to get burnt out and I think I think three weeks is a respectable amount of time to give my body a chance to recover but I mean I know ice baths also help with like recovery do you do that for my run across Maine I didn't just because I was in so much pain that, like, just a little extra pain would have just put me over the edge.

[1556] Wow.

[1557] Like, you know what I mean?

[1558] Like, if you have sunburn and just someone touches it and you're just like, ah, like, that is...

[1559] Do you think that would have maybe relieve some of that pain with the ice bath?

[1560] No, because of, like, chafing and, like, there's a lot of little injuries that happen that you might not be aware of until after the fact.

[1561] And, like, just little things like that.

[1562] So, yeah, really just sleep.

[1563] and eating as you can tolerate it.

[1564] So you just chill for a while.

[1565] Yeah.

[1566] Just decide, look, did something crazy.

[1567] It's time to let it all come back together.

[1568] Yes.

[1569] Yeah.

[1570] But usually, I mean, that's what's amazing about our bodies is like, I don't need to tell it what to do.

[1571] If you give it enough time, we'll figure out how to rebuild and how to, yeah, heal itself.

[1572] So when you think about doing something like this new thing that you can't talk about yet, when you plan, excuse me, when you plan something like this out, did you just say, okay, I need a wacky challenge?

[1573] I need something, something that really pushes me, something that's going to really get the fires going.

[1574] So sometimes I feel like, like the bus in Australia, I do feel like sometimes these ideas find me when I least expect it.

[1575] I don't really have a bucket list, but I am driven by, like, that curious, insatiable, like, need to find out.

[1576] And, like, I don't think I'll run across Maine ever again in my life because I think what's beautiful about adventure is, like, and I don't think I'll row the Atlantic again because I came, yeah, and I had a pure experience.

[1577] I didn't read about how everyone else did it.

[1578] and no one else had run across Maine so I didn't read about who else ran this or that just because there's something so pure about doing something that hasn't been done before or like off the beaten path because you have no preconceived notion of what you are going to experience so one of the driving factors for me is just like um the curiosity to find out and like I now that I ran across Maine or did this or that there's no no, there's not that, like, ooh, I wonder, like, it's, it's, so I think, yeah, I don't necessarily think I'll be doing the same of anything, but with running, there's still, like, cycling, I answered a lot of those questions already.

[1579] Swimming, I did, like, a 325 -mile swim, so I feel like I answered those questions, but I don't think the questions have been answered about, like, the around the world trip because that has more to do with decision -making on your feet and dealing with people, finding out where to sleep, finding out where, like, I don't know, there's different challenges that aren't really as much physical.

[1580] Like, of course, riding your bike 60, 80 miles a day, there's real physical challenges.

[1581] But for that adventure, I'm driven by meeting people and seeing parts of the worlds that you never would and these chance encounters that you would never have had you not been on this road at this time.

[1582] So for running, I do feel like there are those questions of like, I've done like one really long run, but I'm curious to see how my body responds to doing one after another.

[1583] And, like, I think what I didn't experience in Maine is running on, like, fatigue the next day.

[1584] And so that's kind of where, like, cycling across America, I've done that a couple times.

[1585] And I've got to learn what that feels like and also doing, like, 200 -mile bike rides at one go.

[1586] And those are very different things.

[1587] But for running, I haven't experienced a multi -day running adventure.

[1588] So that's a hint.

[1589] that's a hint that is why don't you talk to eddie okay eddie isard okay you should link up find out yeah i mean i've talked to people about like their experiences if they have done ultra like more of the multi -day events and what i've been encouraged by is like i've heard that the and from biking across america like there's only so much you can do to train and if any anything you might over train or like just be so burnt out that you don't even want to do it anymore.

[1590] So I, from what I've heard is like the training happens almost during like your body adapts and you need kind of a basic level of fitness.

[1591] But, um.

[1592] And will.

[1593] Yeah.

[1594] Oh, yeah, definitely.

[1595] Yeah.

[1596] But yeah.

[1597] That's what you saw with Eddie Izard in that documentary.

[1598] that there was no real serious fitness level in the beginning.

[1599] Yeah.

[1600] I mean, like.

[1601] Which is kind of crazy.

[1602] It is.

[1603] But, yeah, I definitely, like, after doing marathons and stuff, you see all walks of life.

[1604] And even myself, people would be like, I think in triathlon, if you're over 140 pounds for some of those races, you're considered Athena and, like, plus size.

[1605] So, like, Athena?

[1606] That means, like, bigger people.

[1607] Athena?

[1608] Really?

[1609] Yes.

[1610] Have you heard of that before?

[1611] You have.

[1612] You said it like it was a normal thing.

[1613] Well, like Athena, you're considered Athena.

[1614] Yeah, like, it's like, plus, like, if you're over 140 pounds, some of these races, you're considered plus size.

[1615] That's how, like, tiny these people are.

[1616] So even myself, I wouldn't fit the box.

[1617] Like, I'm not a twig, and I probably, yeah, like, yes, Athena.

[1618] Why is the Athena category so useless?

[1619] Look at that.

[1620] 140 pounds.

[1621] Fit is feminist.

[1622] Wow.

[1623] More than 140 pounds, so I am a plus -sized triathletes.

[1624] Clydesdale, how fucking rude.

[1625] Clydesdale are an attempt to equalize companion competition, rather, for non -elite running and multi -sport events between big and small people.

[1626] For men, Clydesdale is anyone over 200 pounds?

[1627] I'm a fucking Clydesdale.

[1628] I'm an Athena.

[1629] Minimum way for Athena.

[1630] Athena and the division runner is either 140 or 150.

[1631] You're in Athena.

[1632] Yep.

[1633] So I'm a plus size.

[1634] You're a sturdy gal.

[1635] That's what it means.

[1636] Well, that makes sense, too, because, like, Zach bitter.

[1637] You know, Zach won the world record for 24 hours or for running 100 miles.

[1638] he ran 100 miles in 11 hours on a track which is crazy but Zach is a rail you know he's a very small guy yeah like if you had like a big like the dude who won the chin up competition if you had that guy try to do that it's too big yeah I think who knows if he can do that maybe you can do anything maybe it's a mine thing I mean I don't know if you could do it the way Zach did it though yeah I think what I have going for me is not getting injured like because you're sturdy I guess yeah Is that a weird word for girls?

[1639] Didn't like that word.

[1640] I don't know.

[1641] It's a weird one, right?

[1642] Like, I mean it in a complimentary way.

[1643] Like, you're a stout, strong woman.

[1644] Stout's bad, too.

[1645] Said that.

[1646] I fucked that up, too.

[1647] Sturdy and stout.

[1648] Both of them, a lot of chicks don't want to hear that.

[1649] That's what I like right now.

[1650] I like them sturdy.

[1651] I've definitely heard, like, if I do speaking, Some people are like, you don't look like you could do that.

[1652] I'm like, hmm, okay.

[1653] What is that supposed to mean?

[1654] I know, exactly.

[1655] Homegirl who won Moab 240, the one who'd been on the show.

[1656] Yeah, Courtney DeWalter.

[1657] She's very small.

[1658] Like, what is Courtney way about?

[1659] I don't know.

[1660] She's a tiny.

[1661] She's a savage.

[1662] She's also experienced that thing that you were talking about, like, blurred vision to the point where she had, I think it was corneal edema.

[1663] it's called where she her eyes were bleeding so she couldn't see and she tripped and fell and smashed her head on a rock so blood was pouring down to her head couldn't see oh she could barely see her feet in front of her and still one wow I did watch her that lady's a savage she's cool she's savage and when we had her in here I'm like what do you eat she's like candy drinks drinks beer drinks beer eats candy I mean just need calories yeah just need the calories Yeah, it's just for, I mean, just that alone, that example, the fact that she was literally going blind, never considered stopping, fell, smashed her head.

[1664] So, like, there's a picture of her running where she's kind of blind with blood pouring out of her forehead and still wins a race.

[1665] Like, that, that is a tough person.

[1666] You know, I think it's really cool.

[1667] Also, in ultra running, you'll see it more that women are holding their own and, like, compared to men.

[1668] Once, she fucking won.

[1669] She beat the first guy.

[1670] the guy who came in second place by 10 hours.

[1671] Wow.

[1672] Ten fucking hours.

[1673] Imagine you train so hard.

[1674] You're like, I'm a beast.

[1675] I'm just going out there and kick ass.

[1676] Yeah.

[1677] Like, well, it came in first for men.

[1678] Oh, you came in first for men.

[1679] Oh, interesting.

[1680] What is, what's first for women?

[1681] 10 hours quaker, whatever.

[1682] Do you know what that's called?

[1683] 10 hours?

[1684] Being chicked.

[1685] Oh, is that what they call it?

[1686] Yeah.

[1687] Who calls it that?

[1688] I don't know, but I've seen shirts that say, like, I was chicked and I liked it kind of stuff Yeah guys are cucks You don't like it It's all weird Right But that is the term Yeah that's a guy trying to impress women This femininity Yeah He probably hates it He doesn't like it Full shit I can't trust that guy Guy's a liar Right?

[1689] Am I wrong?

[1690] There's no way he likes it Did you race because you want to lose What the fuck are you talking about?

[1691] You like being chicked I was chicked and I liked it stay home right what the fuck is that yeah women can hold their own oh yeah they can well Courtney certainly fucking can I think she wins they say something about like how uh females have a really high pain tolerance so that's why it helps in ultras because of yeah makes sense completely and being able to yeah completely handle that yeah yeah most men don't do not have a high pain tolerance but I think women have probably they've probably experienced pain differently because of the whole childbirth thing right yeah I would guess if you could if there was like a way where you could experience with like a microchip experience what it's like to be a guy for a day they could plug into a guy's brain be a guy for a day would you do it why wouldn't I that'd be interesting would be fast wouldn't anyone want to do it yeah I would do I would do it for a day it'd be a woman for a day wouldn't want to want a guy having sex with me but like that That's where I draw the line.

[1692] I don't want to like it.

[1693] What are you going to do?

[1694] What are you curious to know?

[1695] I don't want to hear girls talk shit.

[1696] I want to know guys are around.

[1697] I want to hear what kind of things they say.

[1698] Oh.

[1699] Hmm.

[1700] You know?

[1701] Yeah.

[1702] When girls talk about sex or girls talk about work or girls talk about life.

[1703] So you want to hear the girl talk?

[1704] Yeah.

[1705] I think it would be interesting for a little while.

[1706] I'll probably get bored.

[1707] Yeah.

[1708] But maybe I wouldn't because I'd be a girl.

[1709] I just want to like know how much like, I want to do.

[1710] like pull -ups and stuff.

[1711] I want to like run around and see one.

[1712] That's hilarious.

[1713] You want to know what it's like to be a gorilla.

[1714] Well, I just want to know.

[1715] If you were a guy for a day, you just be like Rha -Rah!

[1716] Time to smash.

[1717] I want to see.

[1718] That is the rarest.

[1719] Have you polled women?

[1720] What would you do if you were a man for a day?

[1721] I don't know it's like to do fucking pull -ups and shit.

[1722] That's hilarious.

[1723] Well, it's true that like you guys have more.

[1724] muscle and like I just want to smash smash things you want to punch a bag with some fucking deadlift some serious weight it'd be interesting to see what is capable what that the capability would be because you could probably do more things oh yeah for sure yeah but I don't know what else I would be interested in doing I would I think it would be interesting to feel the difference in the hips like men and women have a totally different hip structure you know and that's one of the reasons why women have more ACL injuries and it's also it's difficult more difficult for them to generate force like kicking yeah like if you watch a really elite woman kick uh even though you're carrying your body weight around yeah versus a really elite man kick there's a big difference in the amount of power that the men can generate and i'm sure a lot of that has to do with testosterone i'm sure there's a lot of variability but when i talked to a kinesiologist he was explaining to me that it's also the way the hips are strong structure because a woman's especially if she has particularly wide hips your bones angle in a different way whereas a man's are straight it's better for generating force interesting yeah hmm I know I already said there was a TED talk about this but there was another TED talk about about a lot of TED talks about a lot of cool shit they talk about a man who became a woman so they could say what is better and worse being male and female how did you do that like like it It was...

[1725] Trans.

[1726] Yeah, exactly.

[1727] And, like, the one thing that was being joked about is, like, the hair is the same, but now that I'm a woman, it's like $100 to cut my hair when it was only $10.

[1728] Like, so there were, there, I mean, that is interesting because they could say definitively what are the differences.

[1729] And that was, yeah, one of them.

[1730] You could, but you couldn't.

[1731] Yeah.

[1732] Because the chromosomes are different.

[1733] There's a lot.

[1734] Like your perception and how you identify is different, but not necessarily.

[1735] You can't get pregnant.

[1736] Yeah.

[1737] You don't have a menstrual cycle.

[1738] So not a physical sense, but just like societal, like how you are.

[1739] I want to know what PMS is like.

[1740] I want to know what that chaos is like because I've seen it before.

[1741] What the fuck is happening to you?

[1742] I think you could recreate that.

[1743] Just like, don't like be hangary or something.

[1744] Like, don't.

[1745] No way.

[1746] It's like.

[1747] There's no way.

[1748] It's just hangary.

[1749] There's no. fucking way.

[1750] There's no way.

[1751] Just be hangary for a few days.

[1752] If it's just hangary, then men are getting abused all across this country.

[1753] I think, I think with some women, PMS is pretty radical.

[1754] I think it varies wildly.

[1755] Hmm.

[1756] I would agree.

[1757] Like, yeah, I'm sure everyone it's different.

[1758] Yeah.

[1759] But I don't know if that's what you would want to experience.

[1760] Oh, yeah, for sure.

[1761] I want to know how nutty it gets.

[1762] Just feel what it feels like, you know.

[1763] It probably feels crazy.

[1764] crazy to be pregnant too walking around with a baby inside of you a little thing yeah growing inside your body a little person you know because how many children as a man is an amazing thing it's amazing some probably my favorite thing about life legitimately it's so strange like every time I hug them every time I talk to them part of me is going I can't believe you're real like you didn't exist and now you exist and now you're 10 and you and I are having a conversation about life and we're talking about things yeah but But I didn't, they didn't come out of my body.

[1765] You know what I mean?

[1766] Yeah.

[1767] Like I think for a woman, it's like exponentially crazier.

[1768] Yeah.

[1769] Because they literally developed inside of your body and they came out of you.

[1770] And now here they are.

[1771] Yeah.

[1772] That's got to be crazy.

[1773] I would like to know what that feels like.

[1774] It must be nuts.

[1775] Yeah.

[1776] It must be nuts.

[1777] I would agree.

[1778] Yeah.

[1779] You don't want that, huh?

[1780] Um, I mean, I feel so passionate about these.

[1781] upcoming like adventures um maybe after but yeah my vision is so like this and that that it's hard for me to see that at least right now i'm not one of those people that thinks everybody should have kids and not that i think some people shouldn't have kids that's not what i mean i mean i i used to get insulted by the idea that you couldn't live a fulfilled life without procreating I was always like, that seems like someone who's done something who thinks everybody should do something.

[1782] Yeah.

[1783] Like, there's a thing that people do when they've done it, like, you're not even a man yet unless you've had a kid.

[1784] And then, you know, you have kids, like, no, that's not real.

[1785] Does people really say that?

[1786] Oh, yeah, people are crazy.

[1787] But they only say it because they kind of want to have a leg up on people who haven't done something they've done.

[1788] Oh, I see that now.

[1789] You know what I mean?

[1790] Yeah.

[1791] And also people are very, they think about their life in a very biased way in that that's the only way to do it.

[1792] You know, there's a lot of people that are really silly like that.

[1793] Like they, no matter what they're doing, they think that this is, if you're not doing this, you're a fool or you're fucking up or you're missing something.

[1794] Yeah.

[1795] And there's a tremendous amount of pressure, I think more so on women to procreate than men.

[1796] Yeah.

[1797] I mean, I definitely, like, am attached to my body, like, and what it can do.

[1798] And I think that, I mean, I have a lot of friends that are athletes and have had kids, and I've seen how they have been able to, like, balance that, like, kind of regaining their body and being able to incorporate fitness.

[1799] But, I mean, yeah, I guess that would be one of my fears about it, is just like having to let go of what my body is capable of.

[1800] But by saying that, I also think that there might be an even greater appreciation for my body because it's a human, not an iron man. Like, I'm pretty sure a human is a little bit more.

[1801] Like, but, yeah, from where I stand now, it's like, but will I be able to run?

[1802] So this is so these feats and these adventures are incredibly important to you, obviously.

[1803] Yeah.

[1804] Yeah, I mean, right now, I am very aware that things change, and I am very cause and charity and like that is also a huge like focus for my, for me and, but yeah, I, my, a big part of my identity is these, these challenges and a big part of where I get joy and excitement is around my body's ability to do these things.

[1805] But, I mean, I have had injuries enough to know that I am more than just running or biking.

[1806] Do you have an idea of when you want to stop?

[1807] Are you a lifer?

[1808] I might be a lifer.

[1809] Yeah?

[1810] Yeah.

[1811] I mean, I've been doing challenges for a decade now.

[1812] I think that, like, I've reached a limit in certain – and I think what, might be exciting to go back to is trying to get more speed.

[1813] Like, I've definitely lost speed and traded it for endurance.

[1814] And so, um, after doing a few more, I think it would be fun to kind of develop what I've put off because like training last year, I didn't do any speed work.

[1815] Um, it was all endurance.

[1816] It was basically like doing an ultramarathon every weekend and then recovering.

[1817] And then like, that's all you really.

[1818] So is this, this, this, speed like a challenge that you haven't been addressing is that why it's itching at you um well you give up like i i feel like i'm too young to be saying i used to be that fast like i should be able to go fast um but it's kind of like you pick your you pick your battle do you want to be fast or do you want to go far and some people can do both but i think with my body it's it's kind of like you choose.

[1819] I mean, there's like fast twitch and slow twitch, and if you develop your slow twitch, then, yeah.

[1820] So, like, I think it's very empowering to, at least, like, most of my running is nine, ten minute miles.

[1821] That's pretty, like, I mean, that's a chill.

[1822] I mean, I'm not, I can talk, everything, but still, like, I've been doing that pace so much that it's really hard to do seven and eights anymore and it'd be nice to feel that again by doing less you seem like a person that will never find your limits you're just always want to push you always want to try to figure it out well it's our body like it has so many so like yeah no it's cool I like your attitude I like the way you approach these things it's very cool I mean our bodies are really amazing you made it all the way to the end without peeing too well I thought about it for the last half hour I'm sure you have.

[1823] It's a challenge.

[1824] Sometimes I can tell when people are kind of squirming a little bit and they've got a look on their face and they're like, hmm, maybe not yet.

[1825] Hang in there, hang in there.

[1826] Could you tell?

[1827] Yeah, a little bit.

[1828] Was it?

[1829] No, not bad.

[1830] Most people would never be able to tell.

[1831] But I'm just assuming around two hours -ish, two and a half.

[1832] You get this big jug of water.

[1833] You're an athlete.

[1834] I'm sure you drink a ton of water.

[1835] I'm like, you've got to be ready.

[1836] You got any minute now.

[1837] You picked talking about going in the bathroom too early.

[1838] If you would have waited until a two -hour mark, I could have been like, oh, that reminds me. Good thing.

[1839] Yeah.

[1840] Well, you made it.

[1841] Dude, you did it.

[1842] So let us know what this challenge is, when you can spill the beans, and we'd be happy to help you there.

[1843] Oh, that's so nice.

[1844] And it was a really cool talking to you.

[1845] I really enjoyed it.

[1846] Yeah, you too.

[1847] Thank you very much.

[1848] Thank you.

[1849] Thank you.

[1850] Bye, everybody.