Metta World Peace (former NBA player)

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[1] Experts on Expert.

[2] I'm Dax, Randall Shepard.

[3] I'm joined by Monica Lily Padman.

[4] It's Thursday.

[5] Hello.

[6] Hello.

[7] This gentleman that we talked to today is one of my favorite people to ever play basketball.

[8] Oh, so kind.

[9] Oh, my God.

[10] Meta World Peace.

[11] Meta World Peace.

[12] Previously known as Ron Artes, if you've not seen Malice in the Palace and you've got time, pause this right now and go watch it.

[13] Yes.

[14] It's so fucking good.

[15] Netflix but I don't think it would be hyperbole to say that meta is a total champion in the mental health space like just a brave brave amazing guy who's kind of opened up to everyone and I think helped so many people I'm fascinated by him love talking to him of course meta is not just the star of malas and the pales but he's also an NBA all -star and he's a champion he's got the ring.

[16] And he's a stargazer.

[17] Spoiler alert.

[18] He's a stargazer, which is my favorite thing.

[19] He plans his vacations around ideal times to gaze at stars.

[20] I love this guy.

[21] Me too.

[22] You're going to too.

[23] Enjoy MetaWorld War Peace.

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[27] He's an I'm chancer So I've been feeling shittier about myself this week Why?

[28] About your height?

[29] Because I'm so little.

[30] I feel like a little tiny baby boy.

[31] Or DeWayette is your height?

[32] Yeah, he's probably a little taller.

[33] He's a little taller.

[34] He's a inch and a half.

[35] No, he's short.

[36] How tall are you?

[37] Okay, he's inch and a half.

[38] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[39] How tall are you?

[40] Six, six.

[41] But you're also a beast.

[42] Not anymore.

[43] Come on now.

[44] Come on.

[45] Look at the width of those shoulders, Monica.

[46] I know.

[47] I used to be.

[48] And now I'm just like too much width.

[49] It's the stomach width.

[50] It is weird, though, hon, when you're used to burning fucking however many calories, you burn in a game or practice, and then you just shut the lever off, right?

[51] Shut it off, exactly.

[52] Yeah, and so, like, when that happens, does it cross your mind?

[53] Like, hmm, I got to add something to my schedule that's going to, like, replicate all that output.

[54] When you first retire, you're still in shape, right?

[55] The day after you retire, you're in shape.

[56] He's had practice yesterday, right?

[57] Yeah.

[58] Then a week passes, two weeks, a month.

[59] Maybe I should work out today, but you're still in shape.

[60] It's only a month.

[61] Yeah, you can glide on that a bit.

[62] You can glide on that, right?

[63] Then it gets to a year.

[64] Like, oh, something's really interesting happening here.

[65] I've never looked like this.

[66] Yeah.

[67] Then you get three, four years removed, and I'm like, whoa, something happened.

[68] And it's two things.

[69] You're also, like, aging.

[70] And aging.

[71] Yeah, what are you, 39 or something?

[72] 42.

[73] Yeah, 42, so, like, things are slowing down.

[74] And you're like, you couldn't have.

[75] ever even thought about what you ate for the first 30 years you were alive.

[76] I used to eat fish sandwiches for breakfast from McDonald's.

[77] Oh, yeah, baby.

[78] You know, like, the little cheese.

[79] There's always in a different...

[80] Phala fish for some cheese.

[81] It's always, like, in a different spot.

[82] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[83] Sometimes it's, like, out the sandwich, right?

[84] Yeah, filet a fish for breakfast, just to prime the pump.

[85] Just said, you know, I'm going to practice.

[86] Yeah, and then at night, what would you eat?

[87] At night, I would normally get, you know, a dinner, you know, or something.

[88] Right, you'd go somewhere, good.

[89] But for breakfast, it was like whatever.

[90] After practice, I worked so hard, I would go fast food immediately, which my favorite thing was the chicken sandwich from Burger King.

[91] Oh, my God!

[92] That's a very special sandwich.

[93] We call it the rectangle sandwich.

[94] Oh, my goodness.

[95] And you've got to get extra mayonnaise on that thing.

[96] Oh, baby.

[97] That's the greatest chicken sandwich.

[98] So good.

[99] Yes, and why is it a rectangle?

[100] I know, right?

[101] We had this experience.

[102] We started talking about the rectangle sandwich, and then we missed the rectangle sandwich, and then we're like, we're going to, let's get the rectangle sandwich.

[103] So we made a whole thing of it, and we made the mistake probably of ordering it on Postmates.

[104] So it had a little time before it got to us, and we had asked for extra many.

[105] So the time we got to, the lettuce was busted.

[106] It was gone.

[107] Yeah, the lettuce had turned.

[108] Did you like the whopper?

[109] You know, I like the whopper, but I prefer a Big Mac.

[110] The Big Mac is, yeah, it's on another level.

[111] Pro tip, you already know this probably, but you got to say extra cheese, extra sauce on that Big Mac.

[112] If you do that, it's a whole other thing.

[113] I never did that ever.

[114] Oh, my God, I pray that, I mean, of course, we want you to stay in shape.

[115] Yeah, I probably won't be going to McDonald.

[116] Okay.

[117] But you'll be in a pinch someday, you know, we all get in a pinch.

[118] Sure.

[119] Please go extra sauce, extra cheese.

[120] It's another, it's a whole other gear.

[121] Do you have a program now where you're like, fuck, I got to kind of watch what I eat and I got to exercise.

[122] And if so, what physical exercise are you willing to do?

[123] Willing?

[124] I don't want to get hurt, so that's one thing.

[125] Uh -huh.

[126] Right.

[127] Yeah, your knees are probably pretty banged up.

[128] No, and these is good.

[129] Okay, you had an ACL, though?

[130] I had a meniscus.

[131] Okay, so he had an MCL, and they said you were going to be out for seven weeks, and he was playing 12 days later.

[132] Five days.

[133] Five days, sorry, sorry.

[134] It was a meniscus, which is not quite an MCO.

[135] Look at the honesty here.

[136] I would never want to come back in five days after MCL.

[137] Okay, okay.

[138] You're asking to never play a game.

[139] Okay, okay.

[140] But it was pretty impressive, actually.

[141] I'm trying to paint a picture of you as like Wolverine or a vampire.

[142] Oh, right.

[143] Where you just healed.

[144] So knowing you don't want to get into.

[145] or what does that leave open for you?

[146] Like, light swimming?

[147] That means great.

[148] My wife wants me hiking, we hike now.

[149] Okay.

[150] So I didn't want to hike for the first, like, my first two, three years.

[151] She was going to hike.

[152] Let's go on a hike.

[153] I'm like, no, hiking's for people who hike.

[154] Say it, say it.

[155] I'm not a hiker.

[156] Hikers for people who hiked.

[157] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[158] But now I'm like, baby, you want to go on and hike?

[159] What part of the city do you live in?

[160] Sherman Oaks.

[161] You're in Sherman Oaks.

[162] So where do you hike there?

[163] Well, I'll go to Topanga.

[164] Okay.

[165] Which is a great hike.

[166] Yeah, yeah.

[167] I did the Encino hike the other day.

[168] It's an easy hike.

[169] Okay, I didn't even know Enino had a hike.

[170] Really beautiful.

[171] You got to try Griffith Park.

[172] Really?

[173] You hike up to the observatory.

[174] I want to say a couple things about hiking for people who don't want to hike like you.

[175] It's humbling the first time you hike.

[176] You can be in great, fucking shape, but hiking is such a weird, specific mix between, like, almost weightlifting and cardio, because you're...

[177] I agree.

[178] You're lifting your body up, this really steep vertical incline.

[179] But I would say this hike for me, if I would leave my door and...

[180] and put the pedal down, like, hike pretty fast.

[181] I can be back in about 55 minutes.

[182] For me, that's ideal.

[183] Right, right, right.

[184] I think it's three miles.

[185] And then when you get to the top, you're at the observatory, and you're looking at downtown L .A., downtown Century City.

[186] You can see Pasadena on the outside.

[187] I've got to try that one.

[188] You got it.

[189] And if you feel extra energized, your woman's, like, spurring you on, you can then go above that to go up towards the Hollywood sign.

[190] Have you been up there before, the Hollywood sign?

[191] I've been once in my life.

[192] What happened?

[193] I just seen the horses up there?

[194] Oh yeah, I think I have seen You rode horses up there No, I didn't ride the horses I was gonna say I can't see you on a horse But continue It's a different world I was doing something Might have been like a Jimmy Kimmel skit And I'm like this is a different world It's like horses and like barns and like Yeah yeah yeah yeah I think someone was killed up there Well they found a head A man had decapitated somebody Down in I want to say Korea town And then dumped Dump the head up by the sign People hiking to the sign Yeah they found the head That was only like what three years ago Yeah, it was not that long ago.

[195] I like it.

[196] I like chaos.

[197] So the fact that there's two mountain lion that live across street from my house, P -21 and P -22, people have surveillance of a lion in their backyard.

[198] Oh, wow.

[199] I like that.

[200] Also, you find a head up there every now and that.

[201] I was like, okay, things are happening in Griffith Park.

[202] Stay awake.

[203] They named the mountain lions?

[204] Yes, P -21.

[205] And they're protected?

[206] Presumably, yeah, I don't think you can.

[207] But we don't know.

[208] They're just roaming.

[209] Look, 60 Minutes did a whole story on P -21 or 22.

[210] And what's crazy is, I think P -22, it came from the Santa Monica Mountains.

[211] So it crossed the 405, then it crossed the 101 to get here.

[212] And then he was just hanging, hanging, hanging.

[213] And they're like, he'll leave eventually because he's got to find a female.

[214] Well, some female crossed the highways.

[215] And now they got a litter up there.

[216] It's a love story.

[217] Very dangerous, huh?

[218] Yeah, but they can, like, sometimes they find a head and they can feed on that.

[219] Oh, they probably did.

[220] Hey, those are some vicious cats.

[221] Yeah, would you be excited to see that and be like, I'm gonna wrestle that thing to the ground.

[222] Can I guess at this answer?

[223] All right, go.

[224] He'll fuck with a ton of stuff.

[225] He's not fucking with a cat.

[226] Because it's so outside of your world.

[227] I'm ready to go to war with a cat.

[228] Okay.

[229] Meaning, if it was to attack me, I probably won't say, oh, no. No, he'll fight back.

[230] Yeah, I probably would fight back.

[231] I got an idea.

[232] So what I'm going to do, it's never happened.

[233] I never wanted to happen.

[234] I'm putting my left arm out.

[235] This is incredible.

[236] You and I are about to be twins.

[237] So I'm putting my left arm out.

[238] Yes, you are.

[239] It's going to get destroyed.

[240] And then a foot.

[241] Okay.

[242] And I wanted to focus there while my right hand just clobbers it, right?

[243] Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

[244] I thought about this.

[245] Okay, so you're giving up half your body to protect the other half.

[246] But you know what else you can do?

[247] You go for the balls.

[248] Uh -huh.

[249] And you pluck the balls really hard.

[250] Yeah.

[251] Hopefully you pull them off.

[252] This is life or death, right?

[253] This is life or death.

[254] I have a scenario that if you hit anything's balls...

[255] Well, have you heard this about pit bulls that if a pit bulls eating your dog, You have to put your finger up their ass.

[256] Have you heard that?

[257] What?

[258] Apparently, the only two ways you can get like two gnarly dogs to stop fighting is either a hose that hate being sprayed with water or finger up the ass.

[259] Have you heard any tricks?

[260] I might have heard that one.

[261] Okay, so I have said exactly what you just said on here, probably a dozen times.

[262] So I take my daughter's hiking there, right?

[263] So I got a six and an eight -year -old.

[264] And the whole time I'm preparing to fight P -22.

[265] And I always say, left arm, offer up the bait.

[266] Give them something juicy.

[267] And I remember reading a story about an old man in Africa.

[268] He was like, I want to say he was 80, it made world news.

[269] He got attacked by either a cheater or a leopard.

[270] But, you know, their tongues are like sandpaper so they can get all the hair and everything.

[271] This guy pulled the tongue out of the cheetah, and it drowned on its own blood.

[272] An 80 -year -old man, a farmer who got attacked.

[273] And I was like, mental no, maybe pull the tongue out if necessary.

[274] My ultimate goal with the mountain lion in a life or death situation is to get its tail.

[275] Because if you get a hold of the tail, now you can swing it, swing it, swing it, and you can break its back on a tree.

[276] But you think you can lift it?

[277] Fuck, yes.

[278] I'm deadlifting like 400 pounds.

[279] I can certainly life or death.

[280] You've got to get it quick.

[281] Again, you've given it the arm, so it's distracted, and you fucking find that tail, and now it's on.

[282] So if you can somehow duck.

[283] Okay.

[284] And then as it passes you, because it's dumb.

[285] Yeah.

[286] Right, yeah, yeah.

[287] Then you get the tail and slow moat, you get the tail.

[288] And then right away, oh, wham.

[289] Then you saw slam and a slap it's back.

[290] throw it somewhere.

[291] Should I ask Mehta my riddle that I came up with?

[292] Yeah, that's what I thought you were going to do.

[293] I've thought about this so much that I've even created a riddle that I decided I know the right answer to.

[294] And it's not a riddle.

[295] Well, we'll let Mehta decide.

[296] Okay, here's the riddle.

[297] You are in a 10 foot by 10 foot by 10 foot tall cage, and there is a male lion in the cage.

[298] And you have 30 seconds before it wakes up.

[299] What do you do?

[300] And I'm in the cage.

[301] You're in the cage.

[302] It's a male lion?

[303] It's a fucking male.

[304] It's a 500 -pound lion.

[305] I think you've got to rip his balls off.

[306] Oh, that's really good.

[307] You know what I hate to say?

[308] What?

[309] You probably can't have to use your teeth.

[310] Oh, God.

[311] I'm going to have to start that there somehow.

[312] I hate to tell you that.

[313] The thing is, you have to act so fast.

[314] It'll wake up.

[315] Yeah, yeah.

[316] Well, you got 30 seconds.

[317] You can do a lot of stuff.

[318] Here's my answer.

[319] Is in that 30 seconds, I pop its eyeballs out.

[320] But I don't detach them.

[321] So it's still getting to see, but it's seeing the fucking ground.

[322] So it's so confused.

[323] Right.

[324] And then just for the remaining 20 seconds, it's just hammer that nose, try to get enough blood in there that it's all, the scent's all fucked up.

[325] And then I'm just going to climb up to the top of the cage and just ride it out.

[326] Yeah, just ride it out.

[327] I think that might save you.

[328] There's a chance that might save you.

[329] So it sounds like you kind of agree with this approach.

[330] The balls is good.

[331] If you can get them off, get them off, and then it's over.

[332] If I was in that situation, that's what I would probably focus on.

[333] Oh, all the balls.

[334] And the eyes.

[335] Have you ever seen one in real life?

[336] Yeah.

[337] I went to a safari.

[338] Me too.

[339] Where'd you go?

[340] In Kenya.

[341] Which one you did?

[342] I was in Tanzania and I was on this reserve called the Grimetti Reserve.

[343] But the first time we were next to one of those males, were you on like a Jeep with no doors?

[344] Yeah, a Jeep with no doors.

[345] My wife was like, this is scary.

[346] This is amazing.

[347] And I'm like, notice, the thing walked by and it looked right in my fucking eyes.

[348] Right.

[349] My heart rate was probably 180.

[350] She loved it.

[351] And I was like, this thing's going to snatch me out of this Jeep.

[352] It's amazing how, like, animals kind of understand you're a human, and I probably don't want to message you.

[353] So the guy said to me, they would never attack the car because it doesn't resemble their prey.

[354] And I said, until one figures it out.

[355] It seems like they're not interested, though.

[356] I know, but they'll stare at you, right?

[357] It's so weird.

[358] But you know what is interested?

[359] Camono dragons.

[360] Oh, you've been around a Camodo dragon?

[361] No, but I know they're interested.

[362] Oh, yeah.

[363] They might be the grossest animal on planet Earth, right?

[364] Well, they eat everything.

[365] They eat joints.

[366] they eat bones, they eat everything.

[367] They like it.

[368] Komodo Dragon virtually has poison.

[369] They have so much bacteria in their mouth that all they're going for is the prey comes by, they snatch it, they get a bite in it, and then the fucking thing will go septic within like 30 minutes because there's so much gnarly bacteria in their mouth.

[370] And when you see them, it's just coming out.

[371] Yeah, yeah.

[372] Slime, they are disgusting.

[373] Animals in general.

[374] Animals in general.

[375] I didn't know what you were going to talk about this, but I'm just like, this is right up my heart.

[376] We get into all sorts of topics here.

[377] So I just want to say, like, my outsiders' experience with you as someone on TV playing basketball.

[378] I was like, oh, this dude's just a hard ass, like, in a great way.

[379] I'm from Detroit, 88, 89 Pistons.

[380] That was our thing.

[381] I loved Rodman so much.

[382] You're younger than those guys.

[383] You came around.

[384] I was like, oh, my God, this guy's fierce as fuck.

[385] It's on with him.

[386] then the malice at the palace happens and I am from there I fucking hate those guys when that happened I was so ashamed for some of my people I grew up with and I got to be honest I loved the outcome of it I was like yeah that's right you go get in the cage and see what happens yeah and get dropped but then they also suffered well that's part two of the story is like first I'm just in there's a lot of psychology going on behind those dudes chucking shit at the players.

[387] It's crazy.

[388] For me, Justice was served.

[389] Like, oh, you picked a fight, you couldn't finish, and it got finished for you.

[390] That's life.

[391] Welcome to it.

[392] So I love that.

[393] I then saw probably the documentary about you first.

[394] Quiet Stone.

[395] I watched Quiet Storm.

[396] Then I loved you.

[397] As someone who's been engaged in mental health exploration for 20 years, so much trauma.

[398] Then he's in that situation.

[399] Now I felt terrible about it.

[400] It went from, oh, look, the right victors were the victors to no some fucking victims got forced to defend themselves as they've had to their whole life this is so much sadder this thing that I witnessed that I love was actually pretty heartbreaking especially knowing how much you were trying to keep it together at that moment of your life and then to see untold and to get yet another angle of it in the whole experience and I think the untold is so great people should watch that I don't well do you like it I thought it was really good yeah Jermaine put it together.

[401] He did.

[402] I did the Quiet Storm and then Jermaine did the Untold.

[403] That part's the heartbreaking part.

[404] Like it's another layer of the heartbreaking part to know what you were battling and then to have that event and then now to see Untold and realize like and there was a family there and some of the family's so hurt by it and some people can't get over it and like that then second chapter of it's again another round of fucking heartbreaking.

[405] Yeah.

[406] I just think that fans cannot be hitting players you know.

[407] No. That's like the moral of the story.

[408] You know what I mean?

[409] Well, how about this?

[410] Human beings can't be hitting other human beings.

[411] Right, right, right, right, right.

[412] And that's what pissed me up is like, oh, because you bought a ticket, you think you have like some...

[413] Ownership.

[414] Yes.

[415] I got to say, there's a lot of things.

[416] There's like a gladiator thing to it.

[417] There's like a Roman gross gladiator.

[418] Like, let's watch these guys kill each other.

[419] There's some racist shit going on that's just like, you're not a human.

[420] I can chuck shit at you.

[421] Yeah, that's what they feel, yeah.

[422] There's a lot of stuff, like you said earlier, from a psychologist's standpoint, that's happening in their minds that they think is okay.

[423] Yes.

[424] Which is, like, kind of weird.

[425] I would never accept that.

[426] You think you can do that to me. I'm going to show you that you can't.

[427] Yes.

[428] Alive on television.

[429] Yes.

[430] That's the justice part that I love.

[431] The rules are, they're the players.

[432] They're not allowed to come up here.

[433] I'm safe to do this.

[434] Well, guess what the rules are also?

[435] You're not allowed to fucking chuck shit at the players.

[436] So guess what, when you throw the rules out the window, the rules are out the window.

[437] Yeah.

[438] You just threw them out the window.

[439] Right.

[440] So guess what?

[441] Anything's now on the table.

[442] Yeah, everything's on the table.

[443] And I was really interesting.

[444] to me, and I don't pay attention to it anymore because to this day, I think everybody lives in, like, their own little world.

[445] Some people are grouped in together, but it's a group of people out there that I was just like, I can't believe that you would do that.

[446] Were any black people saying that to you?

[447] Oh, yeah.

[448] Oh, okay.

[449] The main thing was that I went crazy at that time.

[450] So it's not just like white people.

[451] When you're watching television and you're being entertained, you know, the celebrity should act a certain way.

[452] Right.

[453] The athletes should act a certain way.

[454] That's true.

[455] It is.

[456] It's so long as everyone else is acting the way they're supposed to act.

[457] But everybody should be acting a certain way.

[458] We're here to entertain you, right?

[459] So if I get mad at a player on the floor, that's because we're passionate giving it our all.

[460] And it's for you, the fan, for you to enjoy and be a part of it.

[461] Yeah.

[462] Right, but not for you to take it to the next level.

[463] But the majority of the people thought that that was pretty wild.

[464] Some people that sort of dot kind of changed their mind.

[465] A lot of people say, you know, I think differently of you now.

[466] I'm like, I don't want to care what you think.

[467] Yeah, yeah.

[468] I never cared what you think.

[469] So that's been me most of my life, which is like, I have had a bad history with reacting too quickly.

[470] Right, right.

[471] And over time, I have come to realize shit happened to me when I was young and I couldn't defend myself.

[472] And I made a pledge to myself, basically.

[473] It's like, when I'm 18, like, that shit's over.

[474] Like, even if you whoop my ass, I'm in it.

[475] Like, you're going to get hit too.

[476] I agree.

[477] I will never let anyone hurt me again without a fight.

[478] Now, someone who's not had that background, they can see it in a much more evolved healthy way.

[479] I'm not there, but I can see people that are there.

[480] And I think knowing your background, I think you're coming from it more like I am, which is like, I need to be telling all people at all time, if you come from me, you're going to have your hands full because people are always going to be coming for me. Right.

[481] And people aren't going to be coming for us.

[482] Right, right, right.

[483] But it's hard to snap out of that.

[484] It is.

[485] Now I'm older, so I probably wouldn't react.

[486] Like, if somebody was to throw something to me to this day, I probably would figure out a way to get that person.

[487] arrested for sure.

[488] I'm not the type of person that like to see people go to jail because I have to many friends go to jail.

[489] Yeah, yeah.

[490] But that's like the ultimate way to get you back.

[491] Right, right.

[492] You know what I'm saying?

[493] Sure.

[494] And I'm still passionate in that way.

[495] But when I did grow up, I did experience where certain people would take advantage of their power whether, you know, you can just hit someone, bully someone.

[496] And I told myself, like, never again.

[497] That's why I was always comfortable.

[498] I never had security because I was always ready.

[499] But having that shield, It's not a fun thing to be having that shield every day where you just, oh, I'm ready for anybody.

[500] It's too much.

[501] You pay the price.

[502] It's heavy, you're not vulnerable.

[503] So my dad, he died in 2012, and he would fight anybody over anything.

[504] It kind of amused me as a kid.

[505] You know, he's always in a fight at a gas station or stuff.

[506] He was banned from Costco because he got in fight over the samples a bunch of times.

[507] As I was looking at him dying way too young, I had this thought which was he never got back.

[508] bested.

[509] Like he always showed up.

[510] But then I was like, and now he's paying the ultimate price for that because he lived that way.

[511] Like it's so bad for your body to be in that state.

[512] And I really was looking at him and I'm like, I got to figure this out because I'm going to die from it.

[513] Even though I've won everything, I'm going to kill myself because of this.

[514] And it was somewhat of a shift for me and realizing like I'm the victim of this if I win.

[515] I agree.

[516] Like that's why I kind of went on this meditation.

[517] I didn't want to become weaker, but I wanted to get more of an understanding of like, what's happening now versus reacting based off what I know.

[518] It probably triggers the 29 feelings from your childhood where you were outpowered.

[519] Oh, for sure.

[520] So like the little thing that the other guy's doing that isn't a thing for him, it's a thing for you.

[521] That's why you got to be careful who you, you know, who you mess with.

[522] And for you, I'm sure it feels as it did for me, life or death.

[523] Yeah, well, that particular incident with the broad, it happens so quick.

[524] mentioned the physiology that's happening there, that no one is also taken into account that you're coming off of a basketball game.

[525] Like, your adrenaline is already at $3 ,000.

[526] Like, to ask anyone to be rational in that moment, you can't.

[527] No one could do it.

[528] Nobody.

[529] You're at 100 % just because that's what you need to be to do the thing.

[530] Yeah, you're going into the game, you're getting ready, you're getting pumped up.

[531] But you know, it was crazy on the flip side.

[532] When I got older, I started to, it was reversed.

[533] Before I was listening to, like, Mom deep, I listen to Eminem.

[534] So I'm getting ready for this game, listening to Slim Shady, you bring dead like Jim Brady, right?

[535] Or Mobb Deep pillow music, right?

[536] I'm ramping up.

[537] I get into the game, and I'm up.

[538] I'm ready to go.

[539] And then I started to listen to, like, more music that centered me later in my career.

[540] I listened to Alberta Hunter.

[541] She's an artist that started her career like in 1880s, but she recorded her first record in 1920s.

[542] Oh, my God.

[543] Like, real soothing, real music, classical.

[544] But I was listening to stuff like that to get, centered and be just as strong.

[545] Yeah.

[546] And I performed better.

[547] Well, isn't that crazy?

[548] Yeah, that's the shift in your story, right?

[549] Like, that's you going, like, I need to do this to do that.

[550] And then learning like, no, no, I don't need, I have it.

[551] I don't have to wake up the tiger.

[552] It'll wake up.

[553] It's there.

[554] Like, naturally, if you want to win at something, you're going to do it because that's who you are.

[555] Right.

[556] But to trust that, it's scary, I'm sure.

[557] Right.

[558] Because when you're young, it's like, okay, I'm in an NBA, and I want to make it.

[559] In order to make it, I got to do what I know.

[560] Yes.

[561] There's going to be players that can score 35 points a game.

[562] And you had all the equipment to be the best defensive player in the league, which you were.

[563] You were named defensive player of the year.

[564] So like Rodman on the Pistons, he was scoring like 12, 13 points a game when they were winning in the 80s.

[565] And then he just became a specialist.

[566] And he became so fucking valuable as that specialist.

[567] It felt like you kind of had a similar.

[568] It was similar.

[569] He was an amazing defender.

[570] He was a really good one.

[571] wing defender, a really good rebounder.

[572] Later in his career, he became just a rebounder and not really scoring the ball at all.

[573] I was good on the wing defending, good post -defense, and then I was also a go -to guy on offense.

[574] So it was like just a little bit different, but he was a way better rebounder than I was.

[575] Yeah, yeah.

[576] My career average was, what, 5 .5 rebounds?

[577] Yeah, he averaged over 10, I think.

[578] Over 10.

[579] Yeah, yeah, he's a monster.

[580] Yeah, but emotionally, I think we were kind of similar.

[581] Yeah.

[582] I always wanted to play against him.

[583] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[584] I got to tell you, you never played against him.

[585] No, I wanted to play against him because I just wanted to compete against Rodman.

[586] That would have been like, because he's just so crazy, and I just wanted to play against him so bad.

[587] I'm glad to hear that.

[588] I was close.

[589] I was right there.

[590] He retired one year before I got there.

[591] Oh, man. He's the other guy I have fallen in love with through these documentaries where I'm like, oh, my God, this guy's fucking story is so heartbreaking.

[592] I'm sure you've watched the ducks on him.

[593] Yeah, for sure.

[594] It's a 30 for 31.

[595] Yeah.

[596] Did you see it?

[597] Yeah.

[598] The part where he goes to, I guess, Oklahoma or Arkansas, wherever he plays college, and he's living with this white family.

[599] And he's saying, you know, occasionally she drops the N -word.

[600] But they weren't racist.

[601] And in that moment I was like, the racism was so fucking bad that that wasn't even racist.

[602] Like he couldn't even see it.

[603] Like he couldn't see it.

[604] And it breaks my fucking heart.

[605] Like here's these people that are supposed to be being so kind to him and loving.

[606] And they're also doing that.

[607] It's so twisted.

[608] They actually came across looking really.

[609] really well in that doc, because everybody make mistakes in life.

[610] No matter what it is, it could be anything.

[611] But when you admit it, that's why I liked it.

[612] Versus like on our documentary, those guys didn't admit anything on untold.

[613] They were just assholes.

[614] Right, right, right.

[615] They were like, well, I didn't do it.

[616] I didn't start it.

[617] I couldn't beat him.

[618] He caught me. I wasn't looking like, hey, we're beyond that.

[619] Yeah.

[620] Right?

[621] Just like admit that you came on the court.

[622] But in that documentary, even though what they did was wrong, like the fact that they was there on camera.

[623] That's true.

[624] That's true.

[625] And owned up to it.

[626] Like, that's very important.

[627] That's a great point.

[628] Their behavior didn't shock me or anything.

[629] It was my sadness that for him, that little amount of kindness, you could have written anything off.

[630] Like, that's how little kindness he had been shown in his life.

[631] Yeah, his life was rough.

[632] And, like, how soft he is in that interview versus the persona and just seeing the difference of like, oh, this is who he is versus the armor.

[633] The armor, yeah, that he's putting up and showing everyone, you can't hurt me. Then you just see this, like, human.

[634] He's suffering.

[635] He's quite hurt all the time.

[636] He was.

[637] That's why I represented him all the time.

[638] I wore his number 91.

[639] Oh, really?

[640] When I got in the bra, I was wearing number 91.

[641] Oh, okay, I didn't know that.

[642] I was just doing it to honor him.

[643] I wanted to win a title in his jersey.

[644] That was my goal.

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[661] I notice you switch jerseys all the time, like more than any other player I think I've read about.

[662] Initially, it was like Jordan was the first one.

[663] 23, I was a defensive player of the year.

[664] We didn't want a title, but I didn't want to wait because I wanted to get all the Chicago Bulls numbers.

[665] Okay.

[666] So then Robben was next, which I got Robin.

[667] And then the next year was going to be Pippin.

[668] But then after that, it was just like...

[669] You're not going to wear Luke.

[670] No, I was going to go to Tony.

[671] Okay.

[672] I was going to go to BJ Armstrong.

[673] And then whatever happened, After that, what about Steve Kirk?

[674] He was way down the list.

[675] He was way down the list.

[676] He was first.

[677] Although I've come to love that guy so much.

[678] I mean, he's a great coach.

[679] I remember during the height of the Kaepernick debate, everyone's kind of talking really carefully about this.

[680] Every time they're trying to interview coaches, like, what do you think about that?

[681] They asked him, and he just, he gave it to you.

[682] It was like, no, this is insanely racist.

[683] This is the best part of our country, a nonviolent protest.

[684] He has an opinion for sure.

[685] Yeah, and he'll tell it to you.

[686] Yeah, he's not afraid to say it.

[687] didn't care about him as a player.

[688] I lived in Detroit.

[689] I hated the fucking Bulls.

[690] But as a coach in hearing him just as a person, I'm like, this guy's impressive.

[691] I like him.

[692] Now, Queensbridge, is that where you grew up?

[693] Is that what it's called?

[694] Who else came out of there?

[695] Mob Deep, M .C. Shan, Roxanne Chonte.

[696] You have Vern Fleming.

[697] Who's Vernon, Pace's?

[698] Oh, okay.

[699] Sean Green, Indiana Pacers.

[700] Oh, yeah, yeah.

[701] That's crazy, right?

[702] Yeah.

[703] Then we have Naz.

[704] Nause is from there?

[705] You have Noss.

[706] He's probably the biggest star from Queensbridge.

[707] Molly Maugh, who, like, produced records on Big Daddy Kane, Karras One.

[708] A lot of people.

[709] Big Daddy Kain.

[710] We had a few other people from Queensbridge, like Hank Carter, who Mr. Bloomberg named the hospital after Hank Carter in Harlem.

[711] So he does a lot of big stuff on that side.

[712] Queeniebridge is really unique.

[713] Yeah, what do you think about that?

[714] Pound for pound per capita.

[715] You can't even find a town as that many stars.

[716] Plainsbridge is different.

[717] The thing about Queensbridge is they did so much to keep us down.

[718] It was so many times where I was close to going to jail.

[719] Really?

[720] Yeah, you know, you get caught with crack, you're going to jail.

[721] That could be anybody.

[722] Could have been nice.

[723] Could it be me. You get caught with a gun, anything, right?

[724] You get caught robbing somebody.

[725] So you always want ed shells.

[726] But you hear those stories, but the stories you don't hear is the other talented group of people that went to jail.

[727] Yes.

[728] The other talented basketball players that went to jail.

[729] To be that talented from a town like that is other people you're competing against.

[730] Oh, yeah, the level of competition, you're starting at, like, damn near college level or something.

[731] Correct.

[732] Yeah.

[733] Like, when we were playing in 13 years old, the basketball games was Division 2, Division 1 games every day, right?

[734] The rapids, look at the rapids I just mentioned.

[735] Yeah.

[736] And now I'm not talking about the hundreds that you didn't hear about.

[737] So this is who Nas is, like, competing against.

[738] And it's that competitive.

[739] Oh, my God.

[740] Which is very unique.

[741] And a couple years ago, they even stopped us from playing basketball.

[742] We had to stop playing basketball at 9 p .m. When I grew up, I was outside at 3 a .m. Oh, no, yeah.

[743] But then when they started getting new people into the neighborhood, they started gentrifying it.

[744] people's like, the basketball's is too loud.

[745] I'm like, you moved in our neighborhood.

[746] And you're telling us the basketball, we got to stop at 9 p .m. When I used to play and I was learning how to shoot, I couldn't shoot at first.

[747] So you all night, dang, clang, dang, dong, all night at 3 a .m. But everybody knew, like, yo, I'm putting in this work.

[748] Do you think you have some OCD stuff?

[749] My version of it was, like, I had ticks as a kid, and then I did things twice.

[750] Like, I had to do everything twice.

[751] I was like, if I scuff my heel, I had to scuff my left side.

[752] I had to keep everything level, and I was pretty busy in my brain.

[753] Like, there was always something.

[754] I had to count something.

[755] I had to, and I just, to practice shots over and over and over again at 3 in the morning is a little...

[756] Oh, for sure.

[757] I was obsessed.

[758] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[759] I'm very, very, very obsessed.

[760] What's your parent situation?

[761] They broke up when I was 13.

[762] That's pretty late.

[763] It was late.

[764] And what was your relationship with your dad like?

[765] I mean, my dad was on the court with me all the time.

[766] He was real tough, right?

[767] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[768] We played basketball.

[769] He was a big, strong man, and I was a young kid.

[770] And he took me out to that court, and he was not, you know, wasn't taking it easy.

[771] Yeah.

[772] Do you think in a healthy way or an unhealthy way?

[773] It was very healthy.

[774] I appreciate it because it was like at the limit of it could have got worse.

[775] Yeah.

[776] Because I've gotten spankans from this man. Yeah, yeah.

[777] So it could have gotten worse.

[778] Yeah.

[779] And he was really strong, cut up, quick temper.

[780] Yeah, yeah.

[781] A Ron Artez type.

[782] Great.

[783] Senior.

[784] Senior.

[785] Had he played any sport?

[786] Like, had he played on the college level or anything?

[787] Yeah, he did.

[788] he played basketball and he boxed but when he had me he kind of stopped sports and wanted to get a job and he boxed at what weight heavyweight oh my god okay he's over 200 pounds how tall is he six two oh man my dad's similar right and so my dad would have these fights with my brother who's five years older they were so fucking bloody there'd be broken furniture their clothes would be fucking torn off both people would be bleeding and i was like i don't want to tangle with this dude i felt like that's coming and i don't want to do it and then the time it finally happened we got in a fight like two in the morning and he had just had he just had hernia surgery so he had all these fucking staples across like from the bottom of his rib cage down to his belly button just all these staples and he had this big basketball in his belly he had a huge gut and he was yelling me I'm yelling to him and he fucking shoves me on my bed and I'm looking at him like if this goes down like his whole his inner is gonna come like he's gonna open up I'm like, I can't fight this.

[789] And he didn't give a fuck.

[790] He would have loved to have getting those insights going.

[791] Being a war.

[792] Yes.

[793] He was seeing a whole other thing, right?

[794] And I just narrowly avoided that situation.

[795] You don't want problems with your dad.

[796] I'm the same way.

[797] Even to this day, I'm like, I don't even think I could take my mind.

[798] I don't even think about that.

[799] I don't even want him to think I'm thinking about it.

[800] Okay.

[801] Yeah, I guess the boxing really just rules the whole thing out.

[802] I've never talked back to my dad.

[803] Ever.

[804] I've never for my dad.

[805] Okay.

[806] That was the last eight, and my mom also.

[807] And do you have siblings?

[808] Ten.

[809] Ten siblings.

[810] What?

[811] Ten?

[812] I got 44 nieces and nephews.

[813] I might have more now.

[814] And between five and eight great nieces and nephews?

[815] No shit.

[816] We're a family.

[817] We make babies.

[818] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[819] Man, my one sister had eight babies.

[820] Oh, my gosh.

[821] Another sister had three.

[822] One of my sisters had three babies with the same guy.

[823] And the rest of us is just like, you know.

[824] Patching against.

[825] other here and there.

[826] Playing puzzles.

[827] Do you ever have have like a family reunion?

[828] How many people are there?

[829] We did.

[830] One family reunion we had.

[831] It was insane.

[832] It was in Indiana.

[833] It was in Indiana house.

[834] And it looked like, what was that movie?

[835] That we love, the kid movie.

[836] We had the big house party.

[837] Crazy out of control house.

[838] Oh, oh, oh, oh.

[839] X, something.

[840] Yeah, yeah, Project X. Project X. That's what it looked like?

[841] Yes.

[842] Like Project X. It was insane.

[843] Is addiction?

[844] prevalent at all in your family?

[845] Nah, no addiction.

[846] The only thing my family was, my auntie was in psychiatric ward.

[847] My little sister, she was also in a psychiatric ward.

[848] Then my brothers was on medication, not in the ward.

[849] Then one of my little brother was in psychiatric ward.

[850] So it's mental health.

[851] That's really what's plagued.

[852] Yeah, and, you know, I think what it is, for sure, chemical, I was diagnosed with depression, anxiety and stuff.

[853] I had outlet.

[854] Right.

[855] You know what I'm saying?

[856] I was always active.

[857] I did have a quick temper, but I was always active.

[858] Tag, football, baseball, sports, friends.

[859] Never was tech to stay in the house.

[860] You have, like, crazy energy level.

[861] When I was young.

[862] But I did, what my mom did for me was send me to a social worker at 13 years old.

[863] Versus, typically my parents would send you to a doctor.

[864] What was your behavior at that time that they were worried about the day, fighting?

[865] Yeah, I was fighting a lot because, you know, somebody in my, I don't think I ever started a fight, but, like, this one kid skipped in front of me at the lunch line, I was pissed.

[866] All they did was skip in front of me, I wailed on them.

[867] It was, like, stuff like that.

[868] This one kid was picking on this girl, wailed on them, you know?

[869] She was just my friend.

[870] It was kind of nice.

[871] But it wasn't like...

[872] All these things are like, they're complicated.

[873] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[874] And then in kindergarten, I got suspended in kindergarten preschool kid.

[875] Every single year I was in school.

[876] And you were enormous...

[877] In kindergarten, I was the same height.

[878] I didn't start towering until I was, like, 13.

[879] Okay.

[880] Then I was like, I just shut up.

[881] Yeah.

[882] That's actually when I kind of stopped fighting, because I was like, I'm like, you can't beat me anymore.

[883] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[884] You know what I mean?

[885] Like, guys want to fight me?

[886] I'm like, I'm telling you.

[887] So when you went to the social worker, what was that?

[888] It was great, man. Everybody had a different issue.

[889] And the social worker would bring us together, get popcorn, go to the park.

[890] It was incredible.

[891] And I remember thinking, like, when people see you walking in this building, they know where you're going.

[892] We got this big neighborhood.

[893] Oh, you're going to the crazy house, right?

[894] So you would go different ways so people wouldn't see you go in there.

[895] And then we get into the room.

[896] We're there for a couple hours.

[897] You might watch a movie.

[898] Hey, so how was your day today?

[899] It was just beautiful.

[900] Yeah, it was a place that you could, like, talk.

[901] People to ask you about you and how you're doing.

[902] All my other brothers, well, my older brother went to jail for drug trafficking.

[903] But then my other brothers, some of them was taking medication.

[904] And it couldn't get off.

[905] Uh -huh.

[906] It's hard to get off.

[907] When do you get really serious about your mental health?

[908] Because so from 13 to, I don't know how old you are at Malice, Palis.

[909] 23 at that point.

[910] That's it?

[911] Oh, yeah.

[912] Oh, my gosh.

[913] Wow.

[914] So that's just a nine -year or 10 -year period right there.

[915] Oh, yeah.

[916] And so at what points in that 10 -year period are you aware, like, oh, I have something going on that other people aren't wrestling with the whole time?

[917] Oh, I didn't know when I was a teenager.

[918] Right.

[919] I just thought that I was a tough kid.

[920] Then I think the other dynamic in the neighborhood is violent dynamic.

[921] Can I add you saw a kid at 12 years old get stabbed?

[922] I didn't see it, but one of our idols died in the basketball game.

[923] At a YMCA game, right?

[924] Yeah, he got the table leg.

[925] They threw it.

[926] There was a fight.

[927] Then they broke the leg through it.

[928] Went through his heart.

[929] He died right in the court.

[930] Which was like, and he was like really good.

[931] His name is Lloyd Newton.

[932] He looked him up.

[933] He was really good basketball player.

[934] He was like our idol, you know?

[935] Like we looked up to Nas.

[936] We looked up to Lloyd.

[937] You know what I'm saying?

[938] Yeah.

[939] We were on edge after that.

[940] And we were talking about a bunch of Division I basketball players in my neighborhood.

[941] Dope dealers, though.

[942] But dope in basketball.

[943] So the way we play is different.

[944] You might have to stop the game to make a sale to a dope fee.

[945] Share, share.

[946] Well, you might have to put your gun in the garbage.

[947] Like, police is coming, you know, like that.

[948] Yeah, yeah.

[949] So it's like that whole dynamic.

[950] You're juggling a lot of stuff.

[951] You're juggling a lot of stuff.

[952] And you've got to be aware of, like, enemies.

[953] Yeah, people come on the block, so I spray the block up.

[954] It's been said.

[955] But yeah, you're in the war zone.

[956] Like, you're just standing, operating things like, maximum awareness.

[957] To the credit of the hustlers, like, they never really shot at the basketball court.

[958] Like, if they saw us playing the basketball, some would wait.

[959] But we did have a few people that were, if they had a problem with somebody in the game, Like, get the hell off the court.

[960] Like, move, because they're going to spray.

[961] Now you've worked with enough people.

[962] Like, you know, like, what that does to your brain chemistry, right?

[963] To be in that state, your brain adjusts.

[964] It can live in arousal better.

[965] I was in it.

[966] I wanted to be a hustler.

[967] I wanted to.

[968] I look up to that stuff.

[969] I was like, when I got my first check, the first thing that was in my mind was like, okay, how can I flip like 100 grand?

[970] Of course, right.

[971] Because before, we was on flipping like 1 ,500.

[972] And I remember talking to myself, I'm like, oh my goodness, what the fuck am I thinking?

[973] Like, I'm making money right now.

[974] I remember talking to my friends and like, y 'all have to stay away from me. You know what I'm saying?

[975] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[976] Because I'm going to keep coming back to this neighborhood, but we're not doing this anymore.

[977] That's the whole other dynamic that I was struggling with.

[978] And then right before I went to college, my brother goes to jail for drug trafficking.

[979] So then he was like my protector.

[980] So I knew like I was okay, but when he went away, he's like, okay, if anything goes down, I got to hold myself down.

[981] Until my brother come home.

[982] There's no one, yeah, looking out for you.

[983] You know what I'm saying?

[984] So it was like so many different.

[985] things, but then when I was 21, I got a nervous breakdown in Chicago.

[986] Just walk me through that.

[987] Like, where were you at?

[988] What were you doing?

[989] I was driving to a game.

[990] Winter time, dark early, and I pulled over and just nervous breakdown.

[991] Start crying.

[992] I let it all out before I got to the game.

[993] And then when I stopped crying, I went to the game.

[994] And it felt good.

[995] But then before that, I was drinking a lot.

[996] Uh -huh.

[997] Because I was just trying to forget about stuff.

[998] Yeah, of course.

[999] You know, like, it's just drinking, but that doesn't work, right?

[1000] I feel like drinking, you should do it when you're happy, right?

[1001] Well, it is a depressant, so if you're already depressed, it's definitely not helping.

[1002] Yeah, so then after I went that nervous breakdown, I was getting so much trouble in Chicago.

[1003] Like when you're not playing?

[1004] I get in trouble when I play.

[1005] Oh, okay, okay.

[1006] I never got in trouble outside of the game because that's my life.

[1007] But then if I'm not able to focus on the game because something else happened, I brought that baggage with me to the game.

[1008] Right, and you'd be so frustrated when you got on the court.

[1009] Yeah, I was a young parent, at 16 years old.

[1010] So I really, you know, and I chose to be a parent.

[1011] I planned a baby, but I wasn't ready.

[1012] No, no 16.

[1013] I thought I was ready.

[1014] You could be planning since you were six.

[1015] It don't mean you're ready at 16.

[1016] The fact that you desired a baby at 16 says a lot.

[1017] Yeah, we planned it.

[1018] I remember.

[1019] But you know what that says.

[1020] Like, I want to nurture something and I want that thing to love me and count on me. Like, you want that.

[1021] You're not getting that at some level.

[1022] Yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure.

[1023] Can I guess something?

[1024] Yeah.

[1025] So you have the outside of your apartment.

[1026] armor and personality.

[1027] But there's this, like, super sweet human being inside of there that no one's getting to see.

[1028] Right, you can't really show yourself.

[1029] You can't show your softness.

[1030] I didn't realize you can.

[1031] You can, yeah.

[1032] You know what I'm saying?

[1033] I didn't realize you can.

[1034] And you help so many other people.

[1035] And I was very parental, like, with people.

[1036] I had, you know, making money, like, okay, you need somebody to eat?

[1037] Come on.

[1038] You need something?

[1039] Come on.

[1040] Yeah, right.

[1041] Very, like, nurturing.

[1042] And it's just my mother, because my mother, when anybody that needed a place to stay, my mother and dad would take you in.

[1043] We had 17 people living with us in a one -bedroom apartment.

[1044] Oh, my God.

[1045] Oh, my God.

[1046] My mother's like, I know we don't got it, but you can come stay with us.

[1047] Oh, wow.

[1048] And I saw that.

[1049] And I'm like, oh, wow, I thought that was amazing.

[1050] We used to put mattresses all over our one -bedroom apartment.

[1051] Oh, man. Yeah, there's, like, I think we often focus on, like, the bad side of all that.

[1052] But also, I'll say this.

[1053] I lived in Santa Monica for 10 years in a one -bedroom apartment, and below me, a family lived, And there had to be nine of them in the same one -bedroom apartment.

[1054] At first I was like, oh, these four people, you know, where the fuck they sleep?

[1055] Where they, who are the line for the shower, blah, blah, blah, all these things.

[1056] I heard more laughing from that house.

[1057] Yeah, yeah.

[1058] I came to, like, love those people in a way.

[1059] I'd be in my apartment by myself, and I'd hear them being a family and laughing, and it would, like, lift me up.

[1060] And I'm like, oh, they're kind of having a fucking great time down there.

[1061] It's like all the things.

[1062] It's, like, rough, but it's got to be great as well.

[1063] That was our greatest time.

[1064] I thought that was my funnest time living.

[1065] Our apartment burned down, so we had to crunch in a little bit.

[1066] But that was the funnest time we had.

[1067] I don't remember any drama in that apartment.

[1068] Right.

[1069] Okay, so back to the nervous breakdown in Chicago.

[1070] At that point, are you thinking, I need to get help, or that's not even...

[1071] No. You don't even know A, that help exists.

[1072] I don't know how to ask for help.

[1073] I don't trust nobody.

[1074] Right.

[1075] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1076] This is when the NBA really started to get involved with me. Uh -huh.

[1077] Way before people know that the NBA was involved in mental health.

[1078] NBA always been helping me out a lot, and Chicago was helping me out also, the Bulls.

[1079] I played for Tim Floyd and Bill Carrey.

[1080] So they was always, like, keeping it under wraps because you don't want people to know, hey, Meta World Peace had a nervous breakdown.

[1081] A lot of the tests at the time.

[1082] But then when I became, you know, like 27, I started to really talk about it.

[1083] Like, this is okay.

[1084] Like, talk about what you're going through, so people know that you're going through something, and it's okay, and you're going to get through it.

[1085] So that's when I really started to speak out.

[1086] I was young and I was really championing it and I'm wearing it and being proud about it.

[1087] Yeah.

[1088] Because I can't fault myself for going through what I went through as a child.

[1089] I'm not going to feel bad about that.

[1090] No. Yeah, you didn't sign up for that.

[1091] When did you start getting help that started changing?

[1092] What was, like, the most powerful aspect of the...

[1093] I had many different therapists, but I think the most powerful one was the one that was teaching me how to meditate and teaching me how to breathe.

[1094] When I started to do those exercises, I was like, this is incredible.

[1095] This is what I want.

[1096] Isn't that what you were doing on the scorers table?

[1097] I was chilling, yeah.

[1098] But at that point in time, I didn't have the therapist I had.

[1099] when I was with the Lakers.

[1100] I was still 23 at that time, so I still didn't understand what I was going through.

[1101] Even from a therapy standpoint, I didn't really understand what it was doing for me. I just said, okay, I'm going to do it.

[1102] Right.

[1103] And I just gave in to it.

[1104] You surrendered to it.

[1105] Surrendered to it.

[1106] I was learning at that point.

[1107] That was the greatest moment of my life.

[1108] Right, right.

[1109] You know, like normally I'm ready to fight the players.

[1110] I'm ready to go.

[1111] Yeah.

[1112] You're doing, like, the impossible for yourself.

[1113] Yeah.

[1114] Yeah.

[1115] Like, no fighting.

[1116] I'm happy.

[1117] Yeah.

[1118] Yeah, right?

[1119] But I was going to continue to work on it.

[1120] But when the guy threw something from the stand, that's like, at that point, I didn't know I had to prepare for that.

[1121] No. So that's like really has nothing much to do with, like, mental health, you know what I'm saying?

[1122] I can only compare it to being an addict, which is, as an addict, I have to be ahead of everywhere I'm at.

[1123] Like, I can't show up at a party, and then all of a sudden there's Coke on the table, and then I make a plan.

[1124] No way.

[1125] I got to have a plan before I get there.

[1126] Like, if Coke comes out, here's what I do.

[1127] If all this shit, it's not like that.

[1128] Marks has been years, but your plan was probably, this is an important game.

[1129] This is playoff shit.

[1130] It's going to get heated.

[1131] When it does, I'm not going to do the thing because I can't get thrown out, blah, blah, blah.

[1132] I'm prepared.

[1133] You had a game plan.

[1134] I know.

[1135] And then the game plan was going pretty well.

[1136] You're on the scores table and you're kind of like executing the game plan.

[1137] But you hadn't prepared for the knucklehead and the fucking eighth row.

[1138] I've never even thought about that.

[1139] Yeah.

[1140] Why would you?

[1141] Yeah.

[1142] I never even thought about like somebody throwing something I mean.

[1143] Yeah, of course not.

[1144] Like, you had prepared enough what you would think you prepared enough for to get through it, knowing yourself.

[1145] And I still had that edge, but I was trying to – my whole thing was when you played a game, do whatever it takes to stay on the floor.

[1146] Because the season prior, Richard Hamilton elbowed me, like, kind of in my groin.

[1147] The refs didn't see it.

[1148] I elbowed him in his face.

[1149] Sure, sure.

[1150] And this is one game to go to the final.

[1151] I get flagrant foul.

[1152] Games tied.

[1153] Oh.

[1154] They hit two free throws, score point, go up for, win for, go beat the Lakers.

[1155] the finals.

[1156] So when I saw that, I had to look in the mirror.

[1157] That's got to be rough.

[1158] Yeah.

[1159] That was rough because we was the best team in the league.

[1160] Well, what's funny is, you know, when you're a fan, because I've watched all this, I've had people I was in love with and it would happen to Rodman all the time, right?

[1161] Because you'd be like, man, stay in this game, man. I know it feels so important, stay in this game.

[1162] And on the outside, that's what you're thinking, like, please don't have a meltdown now.

[1163] And what you're not, I don't think, as you get older and maybe you understand stuff, is like, that's assuming the person's in control of their emotions or that that's not necessarily the case for a lot of us.

[1164] No, it's not.

[1165] If you look at how I play defense, like you talk about someone like that's not getting tired.

[1166] Like the intensity.

[1167] It's kind of unparalleled.

[1168] I kind of miss it.

[1169] Yeah.

[1170] But it's crazy.

[1171] Like, in that moment, I remember seeing guys get tired and I'm just, and I'm tired, but I'm biting the way, just grinding and grinding them down.

[1172] Unless it was Kobe.

[1173] It was hard to grind Kobe down.

[1174] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1175] It was hard to grind LeBron down.

[1176] Sometimes I would do it maybe 20.

[1177] 70 % of the times to those guys.

[1178] Uh -huh.

[1179] But it was like, you're talking about that level of intensity.

[1180] It was beautiful, actually.

[1181] I'm sure you were like, you were in a state of flow.

[1182] Oh, man, that was great time.

[1183] You didn't have any worldly problems.

[1184] You just had that moment in front of you.

[1185] This is an unhealthy backwards question.

[1186] Like, we're getting somewhere and we're connecting, but I got to go backwards.

[1187] A, is, was there anyone you were afraid to fight in the NBA?

[1188] And B, how would the Ben Wallace fight have gone?

[1189] I mean, at the time...

[1190] This is totally counterproductive.

[1191] No, I know where it is.

[1192] But it's kind of hard to say because, like, the Ben Wallace's...

[1193] It's something people are intrigued in.

[1194] Of course, because Ben Halls is a beast.

[1195] Honestly, I would never fight right now.

[1196] But back then, I was really upset because it wasn't like I was scared of Ben Wallace.

[1197] It was just that.

[1198] At that moment, I remember getting a flagrant in the finals.

[1199] So it was like, whatever.

[1200] I'll take it.

[1201] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1202] Whatever.

[1203] I was prepared to take that and be the guy that never fought Ben.

[1204] And that's what Rodman got great at, is he actually would push everyone to the point where they were going to swing, and then he didn't.

[1205] Well, I wasn't even pushing Ben to the point I just fouled them Monica, just so you know Ben Wallace He looked like the ultimate warrior Big time wrestler I mean he was jacked He was very muscular But I was heavier than Ben Oh you were Yeah Ben's 240 Oh really I'm 260 Oh dang So you're dense But he had the show though man He had great His body looked incredible though That's why You know The last person I'm worried about Somebody in the NBA That's not as heavy as me That's true That's true And I'm just as strong As like damn there Everybody in the NBA Yeah yeah With the exception of Shaq.

[1206] That's, and y 'all me. Stay tuned for more armchair expert, if you dare.

[1207] So really quick, just let's divergent basketball port for one second.

[1208] Covering Shaq, you did that.

[1209] Did you ever do that?

[1210] Maybe for one game.

[1211] One game.

[1212] In my life.

[1213] And it's just, there's nothing you can do, right?

[1214] There's 330 pounds.

[1215] Not one thing you can do.

[1216] Maybe more.

[1217] He can just walk right through you, right?

[1218] Oh, my God.

[1219] It's like a fucking Gazelle garden an elephant.

[1220] You know what you can do?

[1221] The league did it.

[1222] They changed the rules.

[1223] Because he would take two steps.

[1224] It took the whole league to change, to stop him.

[1225] Right, right, right.

[1226] Took the whole league to stop him.

[1227] And then what was it like defending Kobe?

[1228] Kobe's just mentally tough.

[1229] He had your energy level, too.

[1230] He just kind of.

[1231] I didn't know he did.

[1232] I thought nobody did.

[1233] He did.

[1234] Like, he saw a documentary, Germaine says nobody has the intention he's run a test.

[1235] You know, I prepared for this that no one will outwork me. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1236] And it was showing, but until I got with the Lakers, I'm like, oh, wow.

[1237] He is a hard worker.

[1238] Yeah.

[1239] He is crazy.

[1240] Yeah, he's nuts.

[1241] I always want to be the craziest and the hardest worker.

[1242] Well, and the other thing you kind of got to give him credit for is, like, your environment made you tough.

[1243] He was in Europe and shit.

[1244] He somehow found all that toughness just in his horror.

[1245] No, but his dad's from Philly.

[1246] Okay.

[1247] But he was raised in Philly, too.

[1248] Okay.

[1249] My dad's from Philly.

[1250] And that's a rough area.

[1251] So he knows what it is.

[1252] But Kobe was shocked you because he was so cute and he was so young and he was so talented, so much finesse.

[1253] But when it was time to throw it down, he always threw down.

[1254] But the thing about Kobe is his.

[1255] family's very tough.

[1256] So it was definitely points in time where he had issues with his family, uncles, cousins.

[1257] Right, right, right.

[1258] And he's from Philly.

[1259] Yeah.

[1260] But he put in all that into the game.

[1261] His dad is professional.

[1262] So any time he probably was going to act out, his dad was probably there to say, hey, son, you're messing it up.

[1263] Right.

[1264] Take all that and put it into the game.

[1265] Like, I tell my son.

[1266] You have a son that's in the NBA now?

[1267] No, he's got one in the G League and one that was at UCI on scholarship.

[1268] But now he's at USC for Cinematic Arts.

[1269] Oh, okay.

[1270] Really smart.

[1271] How fun to watch that.

[1272] Yeah, it's really smart.

[1273] But he's really intense with education.

[1274] He attacks it.

[1275] A's.

[1276] Graduated at 15.

[1277] My other son is also, like, really aggressive.

[1278] But I would tell them, put it in the game.

[1279] Don't worry about anybody that's trying to fight you.

[1280] You know what I mean?

[1281] So I'm giving him a different knowledge.

[1282] Right.

[1283] Stored up and unleash it there.

[1284] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1285] Who is the hardest person to defend other than Kobe?

[1286] My hardest personal challenge is probably, I would say Jordan number one, even as old age.

[1287] Man, Jordan's older.

[1288] Even as old age.

[1289] I could see that going the other way, right?

[1290] Because, like, we grew up with he's a god.

[1291] And so your expectations, it's almost like if everyone tells you a movie's the best movie ever made, even if it's a great fucking movie, you get there and you're like, it's a good movie.

[1292] But even with the expectation, he delivered.

[1293] He delivered.

[1294] I played against him in the summertime, and I played against him in NBA.

[1295] Uh -huh.

[1296] And I was like, wow.

[1297] Uh -huh.

[1298] That's really tough.

[1299] And then I think when LeBron and Kobe...

[1300] LeBron's got the weight as well, though, right?

[1301] LeBron's heavy.

[1302] He's heavier than me. Yeah, yeah.

[1303] When he came into the league, he wasn't as heavy as me. but he grew heavier than me. I don't know what it's like for those guys defending him.

[1304] I feel sorry for the other players.

[1305] They had no shot.

[1306] Yeah.

[1307] I mean one time LeBron was coming down to court and I knew how strong this kid is.

[1308] But I stood there.

[1309] It was a study done on me that, NBA players, but feet on the ground, I could deliver a force.

[1310] Whereas, like, if you're trying to back me down, you can't.

[1311] I don't know why, but you just can't because I'm not moving my feet.

[1312] Right, you're planted.

[1313] It's planted.

[1314] I didn't realize that until they told me. I'm like, oh, wow.

[1315] He said you had the strongest, like anger, whatever.

[1316] So one time LeBron was running down at me, full speed, and I just stood there.

[1317] I took it.

[1318] I didn't move my feet.

[1319] He backed up.

[1320] It wasn't like an offensive fall.

[1321] It was they called a foul on me. Oh, they called a foul on me. I didn't move my feet.

[1322] You didn't move.

[1323] I can't guard LeBron when he's moving.

[1324] He's quick and athletic.

[1325] I'm like hair planted.

[1326] Yeah.

[1327] But LeBron is hair and there.

[1328] I can't guard that.

[1329] Well, I don't think anyone really can.

[1330] And then he's bringing 280 pounds.

[1331] Wow, I didn't realize it was that big.

[1332] Oh, he's a huge.

[1333] Wow.

[1334] He's a different monster.

[1335] It's a monster.

[1336] Okay, so I got to assume, like, when you change your name, it's like a declaration that I've kind of passed through something, and this is where I'm now going.

[1337] Is that safe to say?

[1338] When I changed my name, I was like, yeah, I passed through a period of time, and then I said, oh, wow.

[1339] Not only did I pass my therapy sessions, my mandated sessions, and then my own personal session.

[1340] And then I was like, I want to reach more high -town.

[1341] I didn't want to stop my sessions.

[1342] I was feeling, I was like, wow, like, this is, my last session was over.

[1343] I told my, are you, are you Henday?

[1344] parents are technically Hindu, but we're not very religious.

[1345] Okay, my therapist is, as I was asking.

[1346] Oh, she is, yeah.

[1347] So.

[1348] Very peaceful religion.

[1349] Right, absolutely.

[1350] And I met her king right as a hindus.

[1351] Yeah, yeah.

[1352] So I'm like, hey, let's keep doing our sessions.

[1353] I wanted to reach higher.

[1354] Like, where else can I go?

[1355] And then that's when Medi came.

[1356] I studied Buddhism and different things like that.

[1357] Then I became Buddhist, kind of dropped my other religions and turned to that faith.

[1358] I really love it.

[1359] And then that was more to give myself an identity that I can get back to that I know who I was when I was a kid.

[1360] Yeah, before everything else.

[1361] Yeah, before the armor, before all that stuff.

[1362] Who was you when you was young?

[1363] Yeah.

[1364] What did you want to be?

[1365] Yeah.

[1366] I remember wanting to be half a month, like basically a kid.

[1367] Yeah.

[1368] Not wanting to fight.

[1369] Not wanting to be in violent trouble, you know?

[1370] Get back to that.

[1371] Don't let nobody set the narrative.

[1372] And then now is like, and keep going.

[1373] Then you get introduced to like Tibetan music.

[1374] You get introduced to singing bowls.

[1375] You get introduced to Stargate.

[1376] You can't stargauge in New York City.

[1377] No, no, no, no, no. You don't even know that as this many stars grow to Pennsylvania, go to Deft Valley.

[1378] Josh Petrie is like, oh, now I'm connecting.

[1379] And I recommend a place for you that blew our fucking mind.

[1380] Hawaii?

[1381] Sedona.

[1382] Is that a...

[1383] Arizona.

[1384] They say there's like...

[1385] Vortex.

[1386] Like, yeah, yeah, like energy vortex is there.

[1387] We went there and like, energy vortex is whatever.

[1388] And we had...

[1389] I was shooting, so we brought like two families.

[1390] We rented two houses.

[1391] Yeah, they make maybe 15 to 20 of us.

[1392] It was so far.

[1393] And every single night, the sun would go down and we were on this road that no cars came down.

[1394] We would all go out there and lay on the asphalt.

[1395] It would be warm from the day.

[1396] And we just lay in her back and look at the stars for two and a half, three hours.

[1397] And it was better than any movie we had ever watched.

[1398] We were like, I can't believe how fascinating is this.

[1399] I'm going to try that.

[1400] I'm telling you, the fucking stars in Sedona blew our mind.

[1401] I go stargazing for my birthday, every birthday.

[1402] Oh, really?

[1403] My birthday is tomorrow, so I'm going to go.

[1404] Oh, my gosh.

[1405] Happy birthday.

[1406] 43 tomorrow or 42?

[1407] So you're going to Joshua Tree.

[1408] Last year, it was Death Valley.

[1409] Nice.

[1410] Yeah, it's good star.

[1411] Out there, good stars.

[1412] I'm a try Sedona.

[1413] Oh, my God.

[1414] It'll blow your mind.

[1415] Imagine if you've never seen that.

[1416] It's people that have never seen that.

[1417] Yes.

[1418] And it's only a drive.

[1419] It's not expensive.

[1420] Right.

[1421] It's free to look at the sky.

[1422] It's free to look at the sky.

[1423] It really makes you feel very small and human and know your place in the world.

[1424] I mean, yeah, right?

[1425] Yeah, it's a great way to achieve humility.

[1426] It's like, oh man, we're a dot.

[1427] Look at all these dots.

[1428] We're one of the dots.

[1429] Right this tiny.

[1430] Oh my God.

[1431] And we think everything is so goddamn important.

[1432] Yeah, I know, it's true.

[1433] I imagine having you as a son would be so hard because even like the way you're attacking the Buddhism and everything else, like you're just on fire.

[1434] You're like fucking top speed.

[1435] I'm on fire.

[1436] And if you don't have something to devour, I imagine you're in trouble.

[1437] Like you've got to have good stuff to devour because you just, you're that way.

[1438] You're passionate.

[1439] Yeah, and I, yeah, it's true.

[1440] I need to put this tour at something.

[1441] And putting it towards nothing is not good because then it's just bad.

[1442] You don't have the luxury of being lazy, I don't think.

[1443] If you just sit around, you're fucked.

[1444] Yeah, I do not.

[1445] Yeah, because even if you're sitting, it's got to be intentional.

[1446] Like, oh, I'm sitting to meditate or I'm sitting to watch the stars.

[1447] Sometimes I need a break.

[1448] So I do enjoy those moments like, I might watch YouTube, my watching.

[1449] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1450] I might play spades.

[1451] Oh, we love spades so much.

[1452] That's what we're doing at Joshua Street.

[1453] It was a spade strip.

[1454] No way.

[1455] I just found out.

[1456] Hold on.

[1457] Hold on.

[1458] That's all we do.

[1459] That's all.

[1460] That's literally all our friends.

[1461] I say Spades probably 30 hours a week.

[1462] Our whole weekend of Spades.

[1463] I just read some basketball players got a Spade's tournament.

[1464] Dwayne Wade.

[1465] Oh my God, he was just fucking here.

[1466] I didn't ask him to get invited.

[1467] It's called Wade Spades.

[1468] I'm going to fuck.

[1469] It's the greatest thing of me. We have to join that.

[1470] You're not going to believe what you see when I join this.

[1471] Let's play.

[1472] No, no, no, let's tell you something.

[1473] My friends is coming here from Canada to play Spades.

[1474] No, we end.

[1475] I would travel the world to place.

[1476] Oh, we're in it.

[1477] That's all we do it.

[1478] And do like, Do you play with jokers and too high and too low?

[1479] Yes.

[1480] Okay.

[1481] That's the only way to play.

[1482] Everybody got different rules.

[1483] So what's your rules?

[1484] What's our rule?

[1485] This is how we playing?

[1486] Okay, let's play.

[1487] Well, let me drop one on you on and see if you like.

[1488] And maybe you already play this way.

[1489] If you're down by 200, you can go blind -nale with one card pass.

[1490] So you and I are down 200.

[1491] We're playing against Monica and Rob, and we say we're going to go blind -nale.

[1492] And then you've got a bid first, whatever you're going to say, we're going to get five.

[1493] And then, after all the bidding's done, if I'm going blind, I take my highest card, I slide it to you and you give me your shittiest card to help me with my nil.

[1494] I don't mind that way.

[1495] It's fun.

[1496] We incorporated that like eight months ago.

[1497] It's kind of fun.

[1498] Right, I never heard that rule.

[1499] Yeah, we just invented it.

[1500] We're like, oh, that's what space is.

[1501] That's what space is.

[1502] Yeah, we had read that people do that with two cards.

[1503] We tried it with two cards.

[1504] It's too easy.

[1505] It's too easy.

[1506] We're like, that's a gimme.

[1507] But you can still get totally fucked over with one card switching.

[1508] And it can even out the score pretty quickly, and then that's a bummer.

[1509] People get addicted the first time they play.

[1510] Oh, yeah.

[1511] Me. The first time you're like, I'm never dropping this game.

[1512] You can't.

[1513] It's truly amazing.

[1514] I can't believe you're into spades.

[1515] My screen time is mostly spades games.

[1516] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1517] What app do we use?

[1518] We use that.

[1519] I don't like the app.

[1520] I like playing in person.

[1521] Me too, but I do if I'm on the toilet, sometimes you'll pull out the space.

[1522] The people coming from Canada, they probably play Yucre as well.

[1523] All I know is that they play space.

[1524] Okay, that's all that matters.

[1525] I'm having a lunch at my house tomorrow, and we're going to set up a space table.

[1526] Come if you want.

[1527] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1528] I'm going, and then we went to Hawaii.

[1529] A group of us, all we do is play Spades.

[1530] Yes.

[1531] We did the same fucking thing.

[1532] Literally, we're on the beach just playing.

[1533] We got a fucking board that's magnetizing the cards have some magnets so that they wouldn't blow away in fucking Hawaii.

[1534] Where did you get that from?

[1535] Our friend Amy got it.

[1536] Because we knew we got to be playing Spades a whole time.

[1537] He was in Canada at a winery and we brought the car and sit on winery.

[1538] They were like, you ready?

[1539] Yeah.

[1540] Everyone just has them in our purse just like at any moment.

[1541] I'm telling you.

[1542] I haven't been this addicted to something since cocaine.

[1543] Like, it's all I want to do.

[1544] It's so cool, because I always tell people you don't need money to play.

[1545] No?

[1546] Right.

[1547] It's already competitive.

[1548] Yes.

[1549] You don't need no money.

[1550] Totally.

[1551] Within our pod, we now play for countries.

[1552] So, like, if we are playing, we'd be playing for...

[1553] Lithuania.

[1554] Yeah, Lithuania.

[1555] And so we play...

[1556] Two out of three.

[1557] Two out of three.

[1558] Whoever wins, we get like a...

[1559] A pin on the map.

[1560] And there's whatever.

[1561] There's 180 countries, whatever it is.

[1562] So we're going for world domination.

[1563] Once the countries are won...

[1564] then you'll start invading like a Lithuania versus Germany and then I'll pick up Germany and ultimately we're going to try to do world domination with Spades.

[1565] We got to do it.

[1566] Yes.

[1567] We got to do it.

[1568] I cannot believe you're that into it.

[1569] I love that.

[1570] I love that.

[1571] And I'm furious I didn't fucking bring it up to Dwayne.

[1572] I know.

[1573] We love it.

[1574] Oh, me too.

[1575] And my wife used to be like, why you play Spade so much and she is addicted.

[1576] Yep, yep.

[1577] Yes.

[1578] Can we play some spades?

[1579] I know, that's we're always trying to get at least four people together for hanging out so that we can play.

[1580] She's too competitive.

[1581] I don't play with my wife.

[1582] No, you know what?

[1583] That's not true.

[1584] I play with my wife.

[1585] You, as your partner?

[1586] I can't let her play with, like, certain family members because she takes advantage.

[1587] Her energy is, like, it's real competitive.

[1588] So I got to play with her to show her like, you're not that good.

[1589] Oh, you have to bring it down a bit?

[1590] Okay, so what's really funny is in our pod, there's basically five family.

[1591] There's five sets of adults.

[1592] No one can play with their spouse.

[1593] Like, no one plays with their spouse as a partner.

[1594] We can also not play as partner.

[1595] But although we just started playing together, and it's going to, Enter back in, but we have had so many major fights.

[1596] Oh, the worst, the worst, the worst.

[1597] She'd be like, why'd you bid six?

[1598] And I'm like, because I had fucking, you know, I go through the thing.

[1599] I'm so sorry, it didn't work out.

[1600] Or like, why did you throw the king?

[1601] Because I only have one.

[1602] I can't say it right now, but I have one.

[1603] Exactly.

[1604] That's funny, eh?

[1605] We got to have another podcast about space.

[1606] No talking, right?

[1607] That's part of the fight.

[1608] I hate talking.

[1609] Yeah, no talking.

[1610] I hate talking.

[1611] But some people in the group don't hate talking, and then.

[1612] There's like a level of talking.

[1613] I'm comfortable with.

[1614] Spade's language.

[1615] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1616] Now, look, I don't want any cheating.

[1617] Like, here's the worst crime I'll make.

[1618] You tell me what your reaction would be.

[1619] It's like, someone leads something, my partner's going to go, they're thinking for a long time.

[1620] And I'll go, do you remember the last hand?

[1621] That's all I'll say.

[1622] That's okay.

[1623] I still don't like that.

[1624] She didn't like that.

[1625] That'll be my level of talking.

[1626] I just want to go like, do you remember the last hand?

[1627] That's all I'll say.

[1628] But you can't be like, throw this.

[1629] And I'm not going to say, I'm not going to say you remember I'm out of diamonds.

[1630] But I'm kind of queuing you like, remember the last hand?

[1631] I mean, that's actually a little iffy.

[1632] Yeah, it is.

[1633] It is.

[1634] That's when I'm feeling the most desperate, I might say, do you remember the hand?

[1635] I don't do that often.

[1636] But occasionally.

[1637] You'll get glares from me if that's happening.

[1638] We will, but also let's add this.

[1639] We all know kind of how our level of play is.

[1640] So there are some partners that, like, I expect her to have to help a little bit.

[1641] There's different levels.

[1642] No, it's true.

[1643] It's true.

[1644] It's true.

[1645] Like, I don't mind if you say to so -and -so.

[1646] I know, but I can't, my own personal.

[1647] Like new people, like new.

[1648] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1649] Yeah, that's true.

[1650] Or, like, a mom who's been helping her kids, like, 12 times.

[1651] They've interrupted us.

[1652] Like, the kid had a cut, and then she did this, then she did that, blah, blah, blah.

[1653] I'd rather let my partner just get it on their own.

[1654] Yeah, yeah.

[1655] My wife's separate.

[1656] I mean, she's different.

[1657] She wants to teach and talk for the whole game.

[1658] Oh, my God.

[1659] Is your wife, Kristen Bell?

[1660] No. I can't wait to play with you.

[1661] You have to come back.

[1662] Yeah, we got to play.

[1663] Yes, we got to play.

[1664] We got to play.

[1665] This has been so fun, meta.

[1666] I had fun, too.

[1667] I just like you.

[1668] I got to bring up one thing before you leave.

[1669] Yeah.

[1670] So I did this show punked in 2003.

[1671] Okay.

[1672] Then they rebooted it in 2010.

[1673] I came back, like, they asked me to come back and, like, I don't know, shepherd these folks or whatever.

[1674] And it was flattering.

[1675] And then I punked you.

[1676] And I didn't know you yet.

[1677] Okay, I didn't know your story yet.

[1678] Was it the parking lot?

[1679] Yes, the parking lot.

[1680] God darn it.

[1681] So that was me. And I don't know anything about you other than you knocked some guys.

[1682] out in Detroit.

[1683] So I'm like, all right, this punked episode's got the potential for he and I end up in a fight, right?

[1684] Oh, my gosh.

[1685] But I will say, you are completely unflappable.

[1686] You didn't get revved up, man. You were in your fucking zone.

[1687] Like, you were so peaceful.

[1688] I was so pissed.

[1689] I remember that day.

[1690] Okay.

[1691] So I then watched a documentary about you.

[1692] And then I'm riddled with guilt.

[1693] I'm like, oh, my God, I'm like triggering this person with all this.

[1694] trauma for fucking entertainment.

[1695] You know it was crazy about that day?

[1696] So, I was punked that day.

[1697] It was like at the parking center next to the Staple Center.

[1698] Yeah, the parking lot.

[1699] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1700] Yeah, and then you, um, oh, you was in front of behind me. Yeah, it was in front of you.

[1701] Yeah, then you backed up, and then the lady behind me screaming, oh, my goodness.

[1702] Oh, my God.

[1703] This is terrible.

[1704] I was going to try to go through the side.

[1705] I could have made it through, by the way.

[1706] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1707] But I could have made it through.

[1708] I could have made it through and fucked you all.

[1709] He basically trapped you.

[1710] Like, were you knocking on my window?

[1711] I'm probably.

[1712] I can barely remember.

[1713] I think it was you.

[1714] I think somebody knocking on my window.

[1715] Hey, can you move?

[1716] I'm like, get this fucking God out of here.

[1717] Well, you know what?

[1718] I think we thought might happen.

[1719] I think what we thought was going to happen is that I would kind of be the relief from it.

[1720] Like, you'd recognize me as the punk dude, and you'd be like, oh, we got punk.

[1721] But you didn't recognize me at all.

[1722] Yeah, yeah, yeah, you didn't know who the fuck I was.

[1723] I was as another asshole in the scenario.

[1724] But anyways, I watched the docs about you later, and I just kind of fell in love with your.

[1725] spirit and who you were and what you've gone through.

[1726] And I was like, oh, my God.

[1727] When I was a part of the fucking problem, I didn't know.

[1728] That was probably my most stressful punk because Jimmy did me three times.

[1729] Oh, my God.

[1730] I caught him all the last time.

[1731] I caught him, I caught him.

[1732] Because the last time he had a water bottle, TV, they take the label off the water.

[1733] Right, yeah, yeah.

[1734] So I saw it.

[1735] Ah, good.

[1736] That's a good glue.

[1737] This is a punk.

[1738] Yeah.

[1739] But the other ones, they got me really good.

[1740] All right, Matt, I adore you, man. I hope you'll come back.

[1741] Thanks for having me. Yeah, my pleasure.

[1742] And now my favorite part of the show, the fact check with my soulmate Monica Padman.

[1743] Yesterday was the Super Bowl.

[1744] Sunday was the Super Bowl.

[1745] Yes.

[1746] Hit me with your thoughts.

[1747] Half -time show, insane.

[1748] End of the game.

[1749] Insane.

[1750] Really fun to have a home team in the game.

[1751] Yeah, really was.

[1752] I take that for granted.

[1753] Like, I don't really care, obviously.

[1754] Sure.

[1755] on a daily basis about football, but...

[1756] This was a triple whammy for you.

[1757] Yes, like, I can get invested in my home turf.

[1758] Well, Matt Stafford, let's start there.

[1759] Yep, quarterback for the Rams and was quarterback at Georgia when I was at Georgia.

[1760] Go dogs.

[1761] Go dogs.

[1762] It was just nice to see Matt Stafford's jersey playing for my team again.

[1763] I know.

[1764] I liked it.

[1765] And that the Super Bowl was in L .A. just to begin with, that would have given us a different interest.

[1766] And then you add that our team's there.

[1767] and then you add that your quarterback's there.

[1768] It was nice.

[1769] Okay, so for me, the highlight was the halftime show.

[1770] I think I could do 45 minutes on the halftime show right now.

[1771] Okay.

[1772] I was laughing uncontrollably, crying, dancing, yelling.

[1773] Yeah.

[1774] Oh, my God.

[1775] Just the fucking notion that all those kids from that neighborhood blocks away growing up in South Central or Long Beach, fucking oppressed welfare kids all that shit standing there ruling the fucking world I was like crying I'm like oh my God and then even Eminem fucking white trash get up there son all of them fucking owning it and owning it because their souls are so beautiful yes the forgiveness for them to be there after the shittiness of the Kaepernack NFL's reaction to that the resilience it was It was like the most trium, I was watching it going, black artists are the best treasure America has had for over 100 years.

[1776] Forget the brain trust.

[1777] This is the spirit trust of America.

[1778] 100%.

[1779] I agree.

[1780] Oh, my God.

[1781] It was transcendent.

[1782] Oh, it was such a moment of power.

[1783] I just loved it.

[1784] And fucking Mary Jay just fucking ripping that shit up in the middle.

[1785] I know.

[1786] And then you should have heard me when it occurred to me that fucking Anderson Pack was playing the goddamn drums.

[1787] on that song?

[1788] I thought about you.

[1789] Oh, my God.

[1790] I lost it.

[1791] Of course he found his way into there.

[1792] Of course, he was invited.

[1793] He's the next gen of this exact thing.

[1794] California.

[1795] It was a emotional time.

[1796] I think that's the best thing I've ever watched on television, that halftime show.

[1797] It was definitely the best half -time show I've ever seen.

[1798] As you pointed out, it was similar to the time I teared up watching the Olympians on the airplane.

[1799] It was a, what are they called?

[1800] Not a flash mob.

[1801] Yeah, it was kind of similar to a flash mob.

[1802] It was Olympians on a plane who did a choreographed dance out of nowhere.

[1803] This is crazy.

[1804] Here's my number.

[1805] And you cried.

[1806] Call me, baby, I did.

[1807] These beautiful people sharing their hearts with us.

[1808] I think it's nice that you cried over that.

[1809] It's a scary world.

[1810] When people share their heart, especially those guys.

[1811] I'm sorry, I got to go back to those guys.

[1812] Go back.

[1813] To fucking open up your heart in what was a war zone in the 80s, It's that much more impressive to me. Totally.

[1814] Yeah, I agree.

[1815] I mean, this is a huge ding, ding, nang, because this is metal world peace.

[1816] I know.

[1817] It feels really, really like we planned it.

[1818] It's in line.

[1819] Another guy who, not in the most supportive environment, opened up his heart.

[1820] Yes.

[1821] Chose to choose peace and love and all of these things, despite so much trauma and hatred and negativity and anger.

[1822] And to think of all the places that there's, stigmatism against mental health, the sports world's got to be the roughest.

[1823] Yeah, for sure.

[1824] It's the roughest to be openly gay.

[1825] It's the roughest to, you know, all that kind of stuff, exuding fucking strength.

[1826] Yeah.

[1827] It's hard.

[1828] I know.

[1829] So impressive.

[1830] Okay, so I do, I do want to, because he's been on this show, I want to shout out Josh Hutcherson, who happened to be at the party I was at, and he was the only person there who was rooting for Cincinnati.

[1831] and it was really sad.

[1832] I felt really codependent about that.

[1833] Sure.

[1834] And then he lost.

[1835] And then, this was the worst.

[1836] So he was like, you know, depressed.

[1837] Like, it was really sad.

[1838] He's from there.

[1839] I mean, he's like 20 miles over the border.

[1840] So, yeah, he lives in a suburb of Cincinnati, but in Kentucky.

[1841] Not lives, but grew up.

[1842] Got it.

[1843] I was like, I know he's from Kentucky from our show.

[1844] So I couldn't remember why the connection.

[1845] By anyway, he was depressed.

[1846] and his wife was like consoling him and then we do all this betting at these games so there's a bet that I won't explain where you win money first quarter second quarter third quarter fourth quarter and the fourth quarter is the biggest pot so Cameron came up and was like Josh you won you won the 160 bucks and he was like oh great like he got happy again and then turns out it was another Josh Oh my God But you know It was like a lot of highs and lows for him Okay Well you know what we said We were like Let's just give it to him Because Josh Elwell had left Yeah fuck him Also we'll send him 160 I know I'm gonna say this is a very easy to solve problem I know but it was also I mean it was also just like Insult to injury Yeah and salt in the wound Not funny but Like cosmically funny Unavoidably funny Yeah Yeah.

[1847] But I hope he's doing good today.

[1848] Well, I went over to someone's house quickly after the game and this person had a female friend over and she was from France.

[1849] Oh.

[1850] And of course I came in like exuberant with the halftime show and the spectacular sack at the end.

[1851] And Cooper Cup.

[1852] Other than Brady in a Super Bowl, I don't think I've ever seen a performance like that from a fucking offensive.

[1853] Like they just were finally like, yeah, fuck it.

[1854] I don't care if you put nine guys on him.

[1855] He's going to catch this motherfucker.

[1856] And he did like 75 % of the time.

[1857] It was incredible.

[1858] So I walked in there so hot, like just on fire for all those things.

[1859] Yeah.

[1860] And I just glanced at her and I realized this is so weird to her.

[1861] Yes.

[1862] I mean.

[1863] Of course.

[1864] Of course it's crazy.

[1865] It's so silly.

[1866] Like it was a game.

[1867] Yeah.

[1868] In the strictest sense of it.

[1869] And I feel like I was in a land battle and we were victorious.

[1870] That's what it does.

[1871] That's what sports do.

[1872] It's so fascinating what it does to our brains.

[1873] It's an excuse to get very tribal.

[1874] They say it's like a great exercise of tribalism, like one of the not destructive versions.

[1875] Speaking of great sports stories, I just revisited Moneyball.

[1876] For like the fourth time?

[1877] Well.

[1878] In the last couple weeks?

[1879] I hadn't watched it.

[1880] Then I watched it a few days ago.

[1881] Then I've been watching it every day.

[1882] Yeah, right, right, right.

[1883] Um, boy, is that movie good?

[1884] I mean, it holds up Everyone is so good in it Jonah is so good in it Good job Jonah Chris Pratt is in it Who's not in it?

[1885] Brad Pitty is in it The big dog's in it It was crazy and it's just like so hard one I just love a sports story so much It's so good Oh you watched it maybe because of Mike sure Because he had brought it up in the interview Was that the inception?

[1886] I don't know maybe without me knowing subconscious It popped up on my thing, and then I was like, oh, I'll turn that on in the background, and then I was up.

[1887] One of the players from it just died.

[1888] Jeremy Jombie.

[1889] Oh, no, he's a huge player.

[1890] Because of that.

[1891] That's...

[1892] That's rough.

[1893] That's rough.

[1894] Oh, I have a technical question for you.

[1895] What is the time horizon for us saying it holds up?

[1896] Because that movie wasn't that long ago.

[1897] Like, you can't say...

[1898] Oh, really?

[1899] What was it, 12 years?

[1900] 10 years ago?

[1901] 2011.

[1902] Yeah, it's like 10 years ago.

[1903] We can't say that like Hurt Locker held up or Avatar held up.

[1904] Okay, but cinema is changing so fast.

[1905] Well, it's going away, so yeah, in that sense.

[1906] It's changing so rapidly that it does feel older.

[1907] Yes.

[1908] That genre went away.

[1909] Yeah.

[1910] The mid -budget drama without effects, not a comedy.

[1911] Yeah.

[1912] That did disappear.

[1913] That's now our television we watch.

[1914] That would be a TV show now.

[1915] That would be a 10 -episode -limited series.

[1916] Well, I guess, and also because it was the time when we were watching long movies, we accepted long movies.

[1917] Our attention spans weren't as tiny as they are now.

[1918] Like, that movie's long.

[1919] It's like three hours.

[1920] Is it?

[1921] It's really, well, it felt.

[1922] It felt like it.

[1923] That's not the greatest.

[1924] 2 .15.

[1925] Oh, my God.

[1926] 215.

[1927] 13.

[1928] I am 2 .13.

[1929] That's still long for movies now.

[1930] Okay, listen, I am just having a realization.

[1931] Real -time realization.

[1932] I should have known this.

[1933] I can't, but Aaron Sorkin wrote Moneyball.

[1934] Yes.

[1935] I didn't know that.

[1936] Oh, yeah, that's why you love it.

[1937] The Sork doctor.

[1938] Wow.

[1939] Wow.

[1940] Wow.

[1941] Yeah, A .S. God.

[1942] I just love everything.

[1943] Everything.

[1944] Yes.

[1945] Everything he's written.

[1946] He can do it.

[1947] Wow.

[1948] Did you have any favorite commercials?

[1949] There were a lot of great ones.

[1950] I think I liked, oh, it was a Mickelope commercial with the bowling alley.

[1951] That was gangster.

[1952] Oh, do you remember that one?

[1953] You know, with Jimmy Butler?

[1954] Yes.

[1955] For me, most importantly, Steve Buscemi.

[1956] Oh, cool.

[1957] Steve Buscemi.

[1958] It was Peyton Manning.

[1959] He was kind of the hot shot bowler.

[1960] It was totally a Big Lebowski ripoff, which is why Buscemi was in it.

[1961] But it was done really perfectly.

[1962] And so he's the hot dog, and he kind of dethroned some other football player.

[1963] And he's feeling it, feeling, feeling it, and then also.

[1964] and slow -mo of Serena walking in.

[1965] And it looks like Jackie Brown.

[1966] Like, everything's bouncing, the hair's flowing.

[1967] It's sexy as hell.

[1968] They killed that one, cinematically.

[1969] That's fun.

[1970] That's probably my favorite.

[1971] What was your favorite?

[1972] I don't know.

[1973] Okay.

[1974] I just didn't know if you had any favorites.

[1975] But did you see any of them?

[1976] I barely.

[1977] They were, you know.

[1978] What did you do most of it?

[1979] What percentage of the game did you watch?

[1980] I watched the whole game.

[1981] But not the commercials.

[1982] Well, they're on.

[1983] But, like, you know, it's kind of chaos because everyone's screaming for the bets.

[1984] So I'm not, I'm just not paying that much attention.

[1985] You're probably disassociating because it's overwhelming.

[1986] That's right.

[1987] You kind of leave for a minute.

[1988] That's right.

[1989] And the game's back on.

[1990] You come back.

[1991] That's right.

[1992] How were emotions when it wasn't looking good for...

[1993] It got really intense.

[1994] It got really intense in that room for everyone.

[1995] Everyone got so into it.

[1996] Like, regardless of your caring level, once it got really dicey towards the end, it was like, oh shit, we all care so much.

[1997] See, I am uncomfortable with people's bummed out emotions.

[1998] Uh -huh.

[1999] And I want to fix them, and I can't.

[2000] Yeah.

[2001] And so it's just, like, I can watch any Super Bowl with a group of people if it's not their team in it.

[2002] Right.

[2003] If no one, yeah, the stakes.

[2004] The stakes.

[2005] I feel the opposite.

[2006] Oh.

[2007] Like, I enjoy when stakes are high in a sporting event.

[2008] Yeah.

[2009] Feeling like everyone cares about the same thing.

[2010] kind of deeply, I like.

[2011] What was the spread, do you know?

[2012] I do not.

[2013] Neither.

[2014] I want to find that out for us if you want.

[2015] Facts.

[2016] Yeah, here's some facts, some meta facts.

[2017] Meta facts.

[2018] The decapitated man in Hollywood.

[2019] Oh, by the sign?

[2020] Yeah.

[2021] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[2022] Did they find that person?

[2023] There's a CNN article saying mystery solved with an arrest.

[2024] Okay.

[2025] The discovery two years ago of a man's decapitated head near the Hollywood sign began a murder mystery.

[2026] police now believed is solved.

[2027] Gabriel Compos Martinez, 38, was charged with the death of 66 -year -old Hervey Medellin.

[2028] Ervé Medellín.

[2029] Meta -World piece ofine.

[2030] Whose head and several other body parts were found by a woman walking her dog in Hollywood's Griffith Park on this.

[2031] Those dogs will find those parts.

[2032] They think it's food.

[2033] Yeah.

[2034] I mean, it is food.

[2035] Yeah, I mean, yeah.

[2036] Anyway, so that's a bummer.

[2037] Yeah, also a very ghoulish event to happen across the street from your house.

[2038] Yeah, I don't like thinking about that.

[2039] That's what I'm saying.

[2040] It's like, oh, yeah, I guess in my neighborhood, there's two mountain lions that are in people's yards.

[2041] Yep.

[2042] And they ate a koala bear.

[2043] There's, you know, severed heads are up there.

[2044] Griffith Park is mixed messages in general.

[2045] That place should be Central Park.

[2046] It's like the most incredible piece of land right in the middle of Los Angeles.

[2047] And parts of it are incredible.

[2048] Yes.

[2049] And then other parts are a little, I don't think they have their arms around it.

[2050] I agree.

[2051] That's what I'm saying.

[2052] It's mixed messages because it is gorgeous.

[2053] The hike is incredible.

[2054] Yeah.

[2055] There's an adorable cafe.

[2056] Train town or whatever that's called is.

[2057] Travel town.

[2058] Travel town is the cutest.

[2059] Oh, travel town.

[2060] Yeah.

[2061] And it's a little, there are patches that are interesting.

[2062] It's seedy, yeah.

[2063] Well, for a while, like a few weeks ago, part of my morning routine after my coffee walk was to go to go.

[2064] Griffith and just sit on that grass.

[2065] There's a grassy mold.

[2066] No, like literally like right off Los Fields Boulevard.

[2067] Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[2068] And it's mixed messages because it's like, oh, there's that person studying for like probably a college test.

[2069] And there's that person who's chosen to live here.

[2070] Well, a guy barbecuing a seagull over a campfire you're not supposed to have.

[2071] I would have these long streaks of hiking early in the morning.

[2072] Like if I was committed to hiking, very often when I would walk up there, There's an area that a bunch of retired, I'm assuming retired, Russian men would have this, like, early morning kind of cookout and vodka drinking.

[2073] Oh, my God.

[2074] And I would go by there, like, eight in the morning, there would be like nine of these gray -haired old Russian guys.

[2075] And you just hear them and they'd be doing shots and just raging at nine in the morning or eight in the morning.

[2076] I was like, fuck, that looks like a good retired act.

[2077] Good for them.

[2078] They're up and at them.

[2079] They're barbecuing and drinking vodka.

[2080] they're having a tailgate but there's nothing to watch that's right and i'm like are these guys in bed by noon like are they on swing shift who parties at nine i love it that is great you know like your first thought is like oh these guys have a drinking problem you know it's nine in the morning they've got a couple bottles of vodka on the table and then my next thought is like they're 70 they made it like whatever didn't take them out yeah keep at it up and at them um are mountain lines protected Yes, in California 1990, California Wildlife Protection Act Established that mountain lions are, quote, specially protected mammal.

[2081] I don't know, though, that you're not allowed to blast them in your yard if they're attacking someone.

[2082] I don't think you would get in trouble in that scenario.

[2083] Maybe I should type, can you kill a mountain lion's self -defense?

[2084] Yeah, let's find out.

[2085] Most states have designated hunting seasons for mountain lions and killing one without a tag is a violation unless the hunter can prove self -defense.

[2086] Oh, okay.

[2087] I mean, I think you can always claim self -defense if there's a mountain line near you.

[2088] It would be hard not to be scared for your life.

[2089] Yeah.

[2090] Or mostly your children's lives.

[2091] I would beat the fuck out of a mountain lion.

[2092] As you know, this is a great fantasy of mine.

[2093] I know.

[2094] I know you love that.

[2095] I have to remind you.

[2096] Yeah, remind us all.

[2097] Okay, so the mountain lion's approaching.

[2098] It does its textbook leap towards me. I put out my right forearm, offer the bait.

[2099] Yeah.

[2100] He's going to latch onto that.

[2101] It's right in front of your neck where he wants to go.

[2102] Or she, I don't want to be sexist.

[2103] Sure.

[2104] So she locks her jaws onto your arm.

[2105] And then they're 120 pounds if they're healthy.

[2106] And now you're going to flip.

[2107] You're going to rotate your arm clockwise as you're looking at it.

[2108] Rotate the cat onto its back.

[2109] You're going to get a hold of its tail.

[2110] Okay.

[2111] And then you're going to swing this thing by the tail into a tree and break its back.

[2112] That is the move.

[2113] Okay, I'm grateful you said it because in case anyone runs into the scenario, they can do that.

[2114] Don't sue me if you die.

[2115] Okay, but can you revise it for a smaller person like me?

[2116] Like, I can't do that.

[2117] Why not?

[2118] Because I don't have the strength.

[2119] Well, a very old farmer in Africa killed a cheetah that attacked him by putting his hand in the cheetah's mouth because all these big cats, their tongues are like sandpaper.

[2120] They have actually tiny little barbs on them so that they can rip the fur off the animal before they eat it.

[2121] So you can get your hand on the tongue, which is what this old timer in Africa did, and it's a perfect grip.

[2122] He pulled the tongue out of the cat, which caused it to drown on its own blood and die.

[2123] Okay, but do you think that man has superhuman strength because I feel like that would also be really hard to pull out a tongue?

[2124] Not if your life dependent on it.

[2125] That's true.

[2126] I guess.

[2127] Because you could, if you got a hold of it, and then you put your feet, your heels into its chest, and you use your legs, you could rip that tongue out.

[2128] You'd have to do it so fast, though, because you have to do it before the mouth clamps.

[2129] Yeah, so that is curious.

[2130] You would think it would bite down in your arm and then you couldn't pull your arm backwards.

[2131] But I imagine when they have your fucking hand down their throat, they're going to open their mouth like they're going to throw up.

[2132] That's my guess.

[2133] Just gagging.

[2134] Yeah.

[2135] Wow.

[2136] It's kind of sexual, actually.

[2137] I think about it.

[2138] There was no report if the man was found with an erection after this.

[2139] I think it's safe to assume he had one, though.

[2140] Probably the first one in a decade.

[2141] This is a real story.

[2142] You guys could go over this.

[2143] Yeah, no, I believe it.

[2144] I was so proud of that guy.

[2145] I don't want any cheetahs to die.

[2146] But if it's between him and the cheetah, it's got to be a cheetah.

[2147] It's got to be him.

[2148] I'm feeling this, too, like, in my coffee line, there are so many dogs.

[2149] And one of the dogs the other day jumped up and scared this.

[2150] Asian man. It's nice to hear another Asian call out another Asian man. It was a nice Asian man. Okay.

[2151] And it's okay to be a nice Asian man. Exactly.

[2152] It's preferred.

[2153] Yeah.

[2154] And this dog really scared him.

[2155] And then I was like, don't we just have to choose people?

[2156] Yeah, I'm not even going to, you know, if you get me on this topic.

[2157] Sure.

[2158] It's a bad hot button topic for me. I know.

[2159] Yeah, once dogs bite and attack, humans they need to not be around humans is my kind of thought philosophy yeah or just be around the one human they don't bite which is fine right just don't take your show on the road again if you want to live with manacore yeah um great sure but don't bring manacore to marro but also don't live with manacore also don't but if you do minimally don't take manacore out for a walk because there's very kind Asian men around.

[2160] And me. And Asian ladies that aren't Asian.

[2161] There's lovely subcontinants walking to and fro.

[2162] Okay, the rule, so we haven't learned yet, but remember he told us about Big Whiz fun game?

[2163] That's a step up from spades.

[2164] Yeah, people are probably wondering if we've since learned it.

[2165] We have not.

[2166] But we will.

[2167] That's it for meta.

[2168] That's it for the Super Bowl.

[2169] Do you want Super Bowl odds?

[2170] Yeah, Super Bowl odds.

[2171] AMs were negative 190.

[2172] There wasn't a point spread.

[2173] That's a payout spread.

[2174] Was there a point spread?

[2175] Negative 190 and then plus 160 for the Bengals?

[2176] What I believe that means is that if you bet $100, you're going to subtract that percentage if you're favored, and if you're the underdog, you're going to add that percentage.

[2177] So if you bet $100, you'll win $120 or you'll win $80, depending on whether you're – maybe they don't do point spreads anymore.

[2178] What would it be?

[2179] Did you type in actually point spread?

[2180] Did spread.

[2181] Spread Cincinnati plus four and a half.

[2182] Oh, so then if Josh bet on the Bengals with that spread, he still won.

[2183] Oh.

[2184] Right?

[2185] Because what was the final score of the game?

[2186] 20 to 23?

[2187] Yeah, something like that.

[2188] Yeah.

[2189] But maybe he just bet that they'd win.

[2190] Is that a thing?

[2191] Without a spread.

[2192] That would have been a foolish bet.

[2193] Okay.

[2194] There was a great S &L sketch.

[2195] Did you ever see it was great moments in betting history?

[2196] Mm -mm.

[2197] And it was like, and the Colts lost by seven, beating the spread by one point.

[2198] Like, it's all about these teams that lost miserably, but they beat the spread and then celebrating them.

[2199] That's really funny.

[2200] Oh, boy, oh, boy.

[2201] All right.

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