#825 - Jeremy Stephens

[0] And totally.

[1] Five, four, three, two, one.

[2] Ta -t -da, Jeremy, motherfucking Stevens.

[3] What's up, buddy?

[4] Good to see you, man. Yeah, you too, man. Thanks for having me back.

[5] My pleasure, brother.

[6] What's cracking?

[7] Just see skulls.

[8] Skulls are cracking.

[9] Indeed, you're coming off of a fucking gigantic victory, man, over Henan Borough, who was just a little while ago, consensus top three -pound -for -pound fighter in the world, man. That was a big victory.

[10] Yeah, yeah.

[11] I think that's before USADA, you know, coming in.

[12] I feel like it's on level playing fields, and you kind of wonder who would be champions.

[13] For people who don't know what we're talking about, Usada, the U .S. anti -doping agency, was hired by the UFC to clean up the sport, and God damn, bodies are dropping.

[14] Massive, dude, massive bodies are dropping.

[15] I watched the documentary on the cyclist, Lance Armstrong, and just watch how that guy just lied and manipulated his way, And, you know, people were just calling the smoke and a long time before that.

[16] And then, you know, here comes Novitsky, who's a pretty, like, scary dude.

[17] If you ever met him, nice is a...

[18] Very nice guy.

[19] Awesome dude.

[20] But, you know, he means business, man. He does mean business.

[21] Catch the cheaters.

[22] And I'm actually happy because I've always took him pride in being a natural man. And if I feel like you need to start pumping steroids, maybe it's time for you to get out, you know.

[23] But I love it.

[24] Well, Lance Armstrong's defense, that entire sport was dirty.

[25] That's a different sport.

[26] because if you like when the it's really crazy because all the years he won they like took his titles away right yeah while he still has all those he's been on the podcast i talked to him he's a good dude man yeah he's in a bad he was in a bad spot if they took his title away and they gave it to the next person that didn't test positive it'd be 18th place that's how dirty that sport is yeah that's a dirty dirty dirty dirty sport yeah and i was asking him i'm like well what you know he's he doesn't know what they're doing today.

[27] But I'm like, well, how are they doing it today?

[28] If they're still breaking records, he's like, we'll find out one day.

[29] We'll find out eventually.

[30] Yeah.

[31] You know, one day they're going to figure out what the fuck these people are doing.

[32] But Novitsky was explaining all the weird little loopholes that people are finding, like, testosterone supplementation that comes from animals instead of from wild yams.

[33] Did you know that that's how they catch them?

[34] Yeah, yeah.

[35] No, I've heard of people doing stuff like that, but, I mean, that just seems insane.

[36] I mean, last time we were on the show you were talking about how somebody was pulling out their blood and refrigeration.

[37] raiding it and it was that doping basically like EPO that's well that's that is still going on that's definitely still going on and apparently the way they're supposed to be able to test that like you're not supposed to use an IV right yeah and the reason why you're not supposed to use an IV is that somehow another through intravenous fluids you can mask the effects of doping so they also have been able to detect minuscule um plastic particles from the tubes that they use to uh put IV fluids back into your body.

[38] They've been able to detect those apparently, but no one's ever been caught for that.

[39] So that's what they would do.

[40] They would either use blood, that's your own blood, or in Lance Armstrong's case, a lot of the people who were taking EPO, which makes your body produce more blood.

[41] But I think guys to this day are probably still putting blood back into their body.

[42] That's insane.

[43] It gives you an advantage, you know?

[44] That's kind of scary.

[45] You know, I mean, you cut drastic weight, and then you're pulling blood, And then, you know, with everything going on.

[46] Well, I know a dude that walked into a fighter's dressing room, not dressing room, hotel room.

[47] And they had bags of blood in the hotel room.

[48] They pulled his blood out so he could make weight.

[49] Yeah, you were telling me that last time.

[50] What the fuck.

[51] Yeah, that's freaky.

[52] That's freaky.

[53] Yeah.

[54] Because that's not sanitary.

[55] You're not in a hospital.

[56] You're in some hotel room where people have been farting and shooting loads all over the place.

[57] Who knows what's fucking shit all over the wall?

[58] Yeah.

[59] I mean, you're just going to fucking take.

[60] your blood out in that environment like that's creepy man yeah that was like you said that was like a long time ago too yeah that was a long time ago well people have been they've been definitely cheating forever yeah but now we're seeing the effects of it like people's physiques are changing the way they fight is changing the way they look their jaw yeah everything about them their attitude like their confidence like some of these guys like they've they're becoming different human beings yeah yeah i mean i i the level playing field people are getting knocked out you know their bodies are changing and they're seeing that their fight styles guys are going undefeated and just all these rampages are like man he must be in great shape he's just killing it in the fifth round and now he can't get past round one two you know and you're just like wow yeah in the in the end technique is king right technique and training and heart and courage and cardio and cardio yeah you look like a guy like mighty mouse where he fought bagotinov and bagotinov he out cardio the guy beat his ass especially going into the stretch was just completely outworking him.

[61] And at the end of the fight, Bagotinov pops hot for EPO.

[62] Yep.

[63] So even though this guy was on drugs, Mighty Mouse's technique and cardio and just his ability to understand how to pace himself through a five -round fight.

[64] Yeah.

[65] No, Marty Mouse says he's interesting.

[66] I know you've been a big fan of him and I've always enjoyed watching that guy.

[67] I mean, I can't fight like that guy, but to watch some of his techniques and the way he uses angles and footwork and how he lures you in and his clinch game is nasty.

[68] He's insane.

[69] He's insane.

[70] He's just a guy.

[71] nasty you know I wonder and maybe you could give some insight on this like you used to fight at 155 and now you got a cut to get down to 145 you're a pretty big guy but Mighty Mouse is not a big guy and I always wonder like could a guy like could a light heavyweight or a middle weight even could they possibly even fight like him or is that a gravity thing like is part of what's going on with him the fact that he's so light like he can move faster he's got like more options as far as like what he can do some people are uh blessed with uh better integrated in their body such as like a neutral spine a lot of people have like lumbar problems and neutral spine you ever watch mayweather he you don't ever see him lean and he's just always in constantly good posture and good position and just like in wrestling if you're in good position more than likely you're going to win the fight mighty mouse he just has that type of movement and integrates his whole body where his body moves as one it doesn't work against him there's not like a lot of rattle in his body safe he throws a kick he doesn't land awkward he doesn't it goes he goes right back to a neutral base and he's able to laterally move and constantly have his body working for him so i think him naturally he just has that type of gifts and benefits of his body he's able to integrate his body to work as one therefore you you don't waste a lot of energy he has really fluid movement look at a guy like uh anderson sylva he's able to beat people just by keeping his range and just his movement of his body he doesn't he doesn't swing like a mark hunt or or me where you know like all i'll throw a lot of powers and normally i miss you know i'm just trying to trying to reach him but them guys they just use fluid movement and that's i think uh some people are just blessed to have that integrated in their body in a good neutral spine and a good solid base and that's why they're able to connect on their shots a lot more it's as can be disconnected like a say like a short circuit if if there's like a small like little detail like this cord right here say it's like broken and you're not getting like the full amount of energy as where if you have a solid base and a good good spine you know how to integrate your body to use as one there's going to be a lot more of a sturdier connection and more flow and fluid movement i'm glad you brought that up because i've always i've always thought that about like efficiency that efficiency is very important and there are fighters that you see like a wasted movement or a lot of slop into the way they execute techniques and even if they have power like sometimes like they're they're so awkward with the way they do it that you got to think there's a lot of waste as far as like the energy expenditure but like so you think that that is uh you said blessed so you think that that's a natural ability i think uh natural some of it occurs that some people are able to integrate their body if you ever just look up people's postures some people just kind of they'll kind of bend over and it's posture and it's this thing's kind of actually is it popping out yeah it always does that we gotta tape that down jamie and uh you know that like like you said it's a lot of wasted a lot of wasted movement as some people are just more integrated with their body so they are a lot more efficient.

[72] You know, granted, then you got to have the skills, the cardio and everything else.

[73] But I feel like if you have a good base and plus the fight skills, I feel like you're going to be a lot more efficient and probably have longevity in your career as well with injuries and stuff.

[74] Do you think that that's from childhood?

[75] Like, I've always wondered, like, there's some children that start off doing like gymnastics or, like, there's been a lot of guys in jujitsu that have got into it that come from breakdancing, which is kind of interesting.

[76] This is a real recent.

[77] We've seen a lot of guys.

[78] But that ability to move your body, like at a young age, you develop, like, a real sense of, I want to add just coordination, you know, just dexterity, so many different attributes that you develop when you're young, and then your body grows into it.

[79] Yeah, it's intuition.

[80] You know, once you feel it, like I work with, like, a movement guy, a functional patterns for the long time.

[81] I learned how to integrate my body and to not waste movement and, you know, to activate my core, my glutes, my growing all the way to like my feet being on my two toes.

[82] If you ever notice people walk like duck -footed and stuff like that, it's like all problems in their hips.

[83] That's why you see like a lot of, so you have like foam rollers and stuff, people roll out.

[84] But, you know, once you release mal -fashire, there's corrective exercises you can do to kind of reprogram your mind that you've been working on such a dysfunction.

[85] You may not even know it.

[86] and there's there's ways to you that you can integrate your body and neurologically reprogram your mind of like you know this is how I should be walking this is how I should be integrated my body and this helps out with posture and breathing you know the ice man huff like says a lot of stuff about this and it's it's real interesting facts to facts to know because this is for everybody people who work down at a desk slouching over typing all the time got tight hip flexors they're lean in poor diet you know it like this goes to anybody you know to learn how to integrate your body power of posture and this guy Nadi Aguilar from functional patterns really he taught me a lot about this and movement and integrating your body and it just goes real deep well there's a that's a controversial subject right movement coaches like there's a lot of people that get involved with movement coaches and some people mock it and some people say well you should just be spending that time working on your fight training and your abilities you know your your skill set and then just do cardio and explosive of exercises.

[87] And then some people say, no, you know, that's good too, but the ability to move efficiently in odd ways and carry your balance.

[88] Now, your guy, you said it's functional patterns, that's what they call it?

[89] Yeah, you know, McConnell McGregor's been doing a lot of stuff with movement, and, you know, it's pretty good.

[90] That's great movement.

[91] Ito Portale.

[92] Yep, yep.

[93] That guy's a freak.

[94] Have you ever seen a move?

[95] Yes, but here's what he lacks.

[96] He lacks integrating your body.

[97] He doesn't understand the integration part as where Nadi Aguilar with functional patterns, he teaches you how to kind of just sit still, integrate your body and just hold these positions where I'm just standing still or on my toes without a lombard extension or, you know, if I'm slouching, he keeps a neutral spine throughout his whole movement.

[98] So he's using his body as one.

[99] And he has a little bit more of an integrated system as compared to just no one who knows even having to have a base and you just go into this movement and you're doing it all wrong.

[100] you're having like lumbard or you're slouching he believes in integrating that that technique so your body works like you said more efficiently instead of working against you well why do you think that connor's doing it wrong like what what leads you to think that just uh just by his posture you can watch his posture or watch his knee if his knee goes over his toe in like a certain movement or he has like a lumbart and a spine as compared if you watch like a naughty aguilar he'll teach you how to do that same type of movement, but you'll see the little minor details in little millimeters of a difference that makes you integrate your body so that your glutes are working with your core.

[101] As you walk and we walk into everybody just does these like, you know, dead lifts and it's not like a good rotate.

[102] As humans, we rotate, we walk, you know, in fighting, we move.

[103] And he he integrates everything as far as your core to your, you're growing to being on your power two toes so that We keep saying that power two toes.

[104] What do you mean by that?

[105] You know, like, say how you punch on, like, your main two fingers.

[106] The two knuckles that are index finger and then the ring finger, right?

[107] Yeah, and you know how you have, like, arches on your feet and you're kind of walking, like, look at my hands, and you're walking like that on the outside.

[108] Uh -huh.

[109] So then if I'm walking on the outside, my knees like this, say, this is good.

[110] So now I'm integrating everything up to my growing, my glute activated, but if I'm walking on the outside, your knee's going to, your knee's going to, your outer part of your knee is going to be taking more of the load and the damage.

[111] you know then you're not integrating you're growing and that's how people end up actually is this the guy this is him functional patterns functional patterns what is his background uh you know the guy's just a freak dude he knows a little bit about everything and right here you notice like he doesn't really have any lumbart extension which is like a lower back thing everything is really integrated and it's minor details in the core and he's not shrugging his shoulders he's using fluid movement and everything that he does is rotational.

[112] And what is his name again?

[113] I'm sorry?

[114] Nottie Aguilar.

[115] Nottie Aguilar.

[116] Yep.

[117] And where is he out of?

[118] He's out of Seattle.

[119] I met him in San Diego some years back.

[120] We used to, we worked a lot.

[121] And first we had to fix my body a lot.

[122] I was having elbow problems.

[123] I was having all types of problems.

[124] He taught me about mild faster release, and then I got into correctional exercises.

[125] And once he was able to fix my base, I was able to start moving and getting into movements like this.

[126] So what we're looking at folks, for the folks that are just listening is this guy doing all this crazy movements with kettlebells and dumbbells and jumping around back and forth and doing all these flips through the air right now.

[127] Really interesting stuff though because you see how his feet land and they don't bow out.

[128] They don't do this and I've watched Idol, I think that's his name.

[129] There's just these little details that he doesn't have that he has and that he integrates where his knees don't, his knees don't sway out.

[130] Everything is seriously in a functional pattern.

[131] Like everything, he doesn't muscle anything to where, like, you're lifting.

[132] Everything is a fluid movement.

[133] He's allowing the swing, almost like a cheat, to allow your body to rotate.

[134] And it's really, it's really changed my life working with this guy and the things that I've learned and the deficiencies in my body that I really wasn't aware of back then that I'm working with now.

[135] And, you know, I've been fighting for a long time and I've been able to keep healthy and injury -free by doing a lot.

[136] of these movements mild fascia release and working on my posture breathing you know people who are doing sprints at night that you know your nervous system still in like a flight or flight mode and you can't fall asleep you know there's such things is breathing to to help that out to I mean you've been here with Iceman Huff and hear his stuff so I mean breathing is huge so I've learned a lot through this guy actually so what you're saying is that doing sprints at night is not a good idea no it is but I'm talking about you know if you figure out a way to calm yourself down yeah and that's by breathing you know some people are like man I can't sleep at night but I ran.

[137] You know, it's like, okay, well, you can do that by breathing and just kind of calm in your nervous system down so that you can get that recovery.

[138] Because if not, you fall asleep, your body still thinks it's in fight or flight mode and that they're still sprinting.

[139] Right.

[140] As where you're able to breathe, calm yourself down, you get better sleep, better rest recovery, and the hormones are going to take over your body and repair it.

[141] What I think about these things is, obviously, this guy's very impressive.

[142] I like the way he's moving.

[143] He's obviously very athletic and very coordinated.

[144] And you see when he throws punches and kicks, he's obviously.

[145] has some martial arts background as well there's some of these guys though i equate it to yoga there there's a lot of real yoga people out there that are really good at yoga and they're dedicated to it and it's super important to them and then there's the fuckers that are fuckery there's just there's a lot of they're fake spiritual people and they they talk a lot of the yoga nonsense but they're really just fucking weirdos and i see that a lot of these movement coaches too like I've talked to a few of them, they're like, eh, okay, I, I smell fuckery.

[146] There's something, something going on.

[147] Like, there's an, it's a weird gig.

[148] Like, to do that for a living, what do you do?

[149] I teach functional movement.

[150] What does that mean?

[151] Just, you know, I show people how to move.

[152] I know how to move.

[153] What are you talking about?

[154] Yeah, yeah.

[155] Well, he doesn't, he was never, like, considered, like, a movement coach.

[156] Right.

[157] You know, he was never really considered, like, a strain conditioning coach.

[158] I went with him with, like, pain management, and then it got into correctional exercises.

[159] And this guy's, he's actually had Iceman Huffcom hang out with him.

[160] him.

[161] He's went and seen the guy with the Venus Project.

[162] I mean, this guy, he's smart, been all over.

[163] I mean, he kind of does it all.

[164] He's really self -sufficient.

[165] He has a really good brain and knowledge.

[166] He's not one of them like, fuckery guys.

[167] I mean, me and him had our issues and stuff before, but we're cool, but he's not one of them guys, but I know exactly what we were talking about.

[168] There's a lot of people in this business, MMA business.

[169] I'm sure you've dealt with a lot they're moving in now the lot of the they always have been the edo portals and you know the move nat guys they see these guys that are successful working with guys like carlos conder to you and then i see a few of these guys that are trying to be one of these guys and but this guy looks fucking legit as hell like you can tell by the way he's moving like that is a really athletic guy yeah i don't i don't go around doing touch butt shit you know and fights you know i stick to stick to what I know, but it is good to learn how to, you know, use pain management to stay healthy, mild faster release and integrate your body so that you are working efficiently and you're not working against yourself.

[170] I mean, it's awesome to go through these workouts that I do now.

[171] I mean, I have a different strength conditioning coach, and we stick to a lot of these functional movements, athletic movements, explosive movements, and we do it with a good integrated system to where, you know, if I go and I'm banging on this tire and I'm just recklessly, and then I wake up in the morning, I'm like, fuck, man, I got a spar.

[172] I'm feeling like crap.

[173] I mean, it's good to have your body working efficiently using the right things that need to be used instead of having all the muscles, you know, small muscle groups working.

[174] That's how you get injured these days.

[175] Yeah, I was reading this post once on a forum.

[176] I think it might have been the underground where someone was talking about lifting weights and how all their bad sparring sessions come after lifting weights.

[177] Like, yeah, duh.

[178] Like, you probably shouldn't be sparring after you lift up.

[179] Like, these dudes are talking about doing like mega squats and deadlifts and power.

[180] benching and then trying to stay loose and fluid.

[181] It's not going to happen.

[182] Your, your tissue's all broken down and you're exhausted and it's really a bad idea to spar when you're like that because then, you know, well, what about mental toughness?

[183] Well, you're not going to learn.

[184] Your body's all fucked up.

[185] You're supposed to be resting.

[186] Or if you're doing anything, you should be doing like light drilling.

[187] But something where you're forced to react quickly and move.

[188] That's a good way to get injured, right?

[189] Yeah, exactly.

[190] You know, people do that all the time.

[191] You hear about these guys getting injured all the time and you know just being self -sufficient learning about little stuff like this could could help you out you know such as things is just a little bit of foam rolling out and then a little bit of correctional exercises that that could just help you out a lot more efficiently and there's no I mean I've gotten in arguments where I've went out to uh Arizona to see some of my friends that ended up leaving alliance and I you know I got into an argument a little bit like a battle this guy's like trying to tell me to I need to widen my base to do this and I'm like wearing a fight that i'm gonna be you know 10 feet my my my my my my feet are this far apart i'm like no bro like i got to be within you know i i can be able to rotate move you know with if i'm spread my legs out you know that that ain't doing nothing for me and i've i just uh i see a lot of people doing a lot of meathead stuff yeah well this isn't it interesting because you're kind of it's a kind of an open -ended thing when you're a fighter because i see these guys trying all this different stuff and there's no right or wrong way like here's a perfect example.

[192] There's Robbie Lawler, who's a world champion, bad motherfucker, and then there's Stephen Wonderboy Thompson.

[193] Totally different stance, totally different way of moving, both guys super successful, and who fucking knows what would happen if they fought?

[194] We really don't know until they fight, right?

[195] Yeah, yeah.

[196] But if Wonderboy Matt Robby, he's like, oh man, you're doing it all wrong.

[197] Yeah, yeah.

[198] You know, if he's trying to coach him, but obviously he's not doing it all wrong.

[199] He's a world champion.

[200] He's not doing it all wrong.

[201] He's doing it perfect.

[202] But is it the best way, ultimately?

[203] You don't know, and you won't ever know until those two guys go out of it.

[204] And here's what's even crazier.

[205] He might beat Wonder Boy, but Wonder Boy might be able to beat a guy that can beat him.

[206] Yeah.

[207] It's weird.

[208] No, I mean, I live that life.

[209] Yeah, it's weird, right?

[210] It is insane.

[211] The home, we were just watching Holly Home.

[212] Yes, and then, like, she gets beat by Amish State, and then she beats Ronda Row.

[213] Yeah, type deal.

[214] Well, Rhonda Rousey fought the perfect fight for Holly, like charging at her, and Holly's a great counterstriker.

[215] Whereas Shevchenko, if you watch that fight, she did not lead at all.

[216] She just hung back and waited and forced Holly into her game.

[217] Yep.

[218] And, you know, it was just a bad night for Holly.

[219] I'm sure she'll be back, but it's interesting tactically.

[220] And if you look at it from a strategic standpoint, like utilizing your skills to the best to your ability in you know when you're inside the octagon figuring out what about what you do matches really good against what she does and chefchenko just nailed it she figured it out yeah crazy man that's the that's a fight game it is a fight game it's a crazy game man and it's it's interesting you see people jumping from one trainer to the other and just looking for that and it's almost like you got a certain amount of time it's like you're playing musical chairs it's like how much you got in your career you got maybe like a good solid if you're really really you're really you're Take care of yourself.

[221] You got like 15 years, unless you're Dan Anderson.

[222] That guy's a man, dude.

[223] Dude, he's fighting for the fucking title.

[224] He's going to fight Bisping for the title in London.

[225] That's going to be madness.

[226] Yeah.

[227] And he says if he wins, he's going to retire.

[228] Done.

[229] He should do.

[230] Mike drop.

[231] Walk away, carry out.

[232] The one thing that he hasn't been able to do is win the UFC gold.

[233] But look, man, he's got as good a shot as anybody.

[234] You watch that Lombard fight.

[235] Yeah, I did.

[236] I was there live, but I couldn't believe it, dude.

[237] I was going nuts.

[238] I've been a fan of his for so long.

[239] He's such an awesome guy.

[240] Real quiet, chill and just an amazing guy, dude.

[241] Just hard worker.

[242] I mean, it's awesome to see that.

[243] Did you see his Instagram post after he won?

[244] He had an American flag on and said smoked that Cuban.

[245] Oh, shit.

[246] Dude, that was crazy.

[247] I mean, Lombard's a scary dude.

[248] He dropped him, and I'm like, fuck, you know.

[249] I'm like, dude, he's getting dropped.

[250] I'm like, no. Well, Henderson heard him first.

[251] Henderson heard him first, and he moved in for the kill, but Lombard wasn't done.

[252] And Lombard cracked him, and Lombard had him on the ground.

[253] Had him in side control.

[254] It looked bad.

[255] And then the way he knocked him out, too, was so crazy with that back elbow.

[256] Yeah, instincts, man. Uh -huh.

[257] Yeah, no one's ever done that before.

[258] No one's ever knocked anybody.

[259] I mean, he was dead before he hit the ground.

[260] No one's ever knocked anybody out with a standing back elbow.

[261] You know, he's going to follow up with a couple blows.

[262] Oh, yeah, for sure.

[263] Yeah, you got to pull him off.

[264] Lombard's a scary dude.

[265] You know, I was down at ATT one time helping out Jorge Mazvedal, and they were like, hey, whatever you do, just don't spar Lombard.

[266] I'm like, man, guys, way bigger.

[267] I mean, like, he would spar you?

[268] He'd be like, yeah, he may try to ask you to spar him.

[269] Don't spar him.

[270] You know, and he just comes in.

[271] He's just a tank, you know, and I'm like, fuck, dude.

[272] I'm not trying to spar that guy, you know?

[273] Fuck.

[274] Hell no. He's a freak athlete, man. Him and Yuel Romero.

[275] Like, I don't know what kind of rice and beans they were feeding them down in Cuba.

[276] Them good rice and beans, dude.

[277] That's some, those guys are freaks, dude.

[278] Have you seen the new photos, the most recent photos of Husamar Paul Harris?

[279] Oh, yeah, yeah.

[280] He was grappling, dude.

[281] He's just looking.

[282] Fucking.

[283] He looks like he's 250 pounds.

[284] Dude, if that guy tripped and fell, I would seriously just run out the room, dude.

[285] I would, like, fuck that, dude.

[286] There's no way, man. I mean, those guys are tapping before, dude.

[287] Yeah, it doesn't matter.

[288] He just tears your shit apart.

[289] That's insane, man. He's so fucking thick right now.

[290] He's only like 5 '7, and he's probably no bullshit, 230 pounds.

[291] He's enormous right now.

[292] Yeah.

[293] God bless him, dude.

[294] That guy's scary, man. Well, now that he's not testing.

[295] Look at him right there.

[296] Jesus Christ.

[297] God.

[298] I mean, that's a legitimate 225 pounds at 5 .7.

[299] 5 .7.

[300] Yeah.

[301] I'm way bigger than it, man. That's crazy, dude.

[302] I'm short.

[303] I'm 5 '8, and I stand, I'm taller than that dude.

[304] But he's, like, a foot wider than me. Yeah, and you get after.

[305] I see you on the on -its and always getting after it.

[306] You know, maybe after I retire from fighting, I'm just going to get on the juice and just look like that.

[307] Just get jacked.

[308] Teach class.

[309] Just do fucking strong -man competition.

[310] ankle locks all day carry cars and shit yeah dude you ever get caught under your car Paul Harris might be the guy that you want right there yeah he's ridiculously big right now yeah that's definitely steroids 100 % for sure 100 % you don't gain that much weight I mean the last time he fought was like a year ago and he was fighting at 170 yeah and now I mean obviously a lot of guys that fight 170 they really weigh the 190s somewhere around there and then they cut weight to get down to 170 but that is just gigantic yeah dude that's That's too much, man. He's a fucking awesome jujitsu player, too.

[311] It's not just strong.

[312] He's got some serious, legit technique.

[313] Yeah, one of my guy who gave him a purple belt, Dean Lister, he's been still going at and competing.

[314] I know he just lost and everything, but...

[315] That's just outstanding.

[316] Dean's very good.

[317] Dude, he's a big dude, but he rolls like a little guy, and he's just freakishly strong, man. Yeah, he's very smart.

[318] Dean knows a lot about jujitsu, and he's one of the reasons why, you know, the whole John Donaheher, Henzo Gracie team got so good at leg locks.

[319] A lot of that was the influence of Dean Lister.

[320] Dean Lister went down there and did some training with them.

[321] And Dean has been a leglock master from the old days.

[322] Like he was one of those guys that was leglocking people in the early days of Abu Dhabi back in the early 2000s.

[323] You know, when people, like the leglock game has shifted over the last few years and it's become incredibly dominant.

[324] There's so many guys that are winning.

[325] Like, Jiu -Jitsu has become largely like a game of like 60, maybe even more.

[326] percent leg locks, especially no gay, like the Eddie Cummins, Gary Tonin, all these guys from John Donaheher's camp.

[327] There's so many guys down there that are just really talented at attacking legs.

[328] Yeah, and not a lot of people like that.

[329] It's a sophisticated game.

[330] Yeah, yeah, when you start playing with the legs, you know.

[331] It's scary.

[332] Yeah, it is.

[333] Yeah, nobody likes getting crippled.

[334] No. But, you know, like Eddie Bravo had a really good point.

[335] He's like, well, is it okay if someone yanks on your neck?

[336] Is it okay if someone breaks your arm?

[337] Like, it's, what is the difference?

[338] Like, just You just got to tap before you get fucked up.

[339] Yep.

[340] Which is easier said than done.

[341] If Paul Harris is on there, you tap all day, but that guy is ripping it to him.

[342] Yeah, he is tearing people's knees apart.

[343] Yeah, that's kind of bullshit.

[344] Yeah, it is kind of, well, it's definitely bullshit when people tap, right?

[345] It is definitely bullshit when people tap.

[346] Do you think there's anything that should be changed about the current rules?

[347] Like, if you look at MMA rules, like the way they stand right now, like there's some people that think that the knees on the ground issue, if you don't know the story, MMA has a rule where you can knee someone to the head if they're standing but if they put one hand on the ground you can't knee you in the head so a lot of guys will put a hand on the ground just to stop the knee and then they'll lift it up and then they put it down they play like a little like almost like a game of like now I'm safe like I'm holding you remember like old school wrestling you could hold onto the rope and they would let let go of a hold yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah the old 10 counts stuff like all that Didn't they have that in, like, pancreas, too?

[348] Where in pancreas, if someone was holding on to a submission, you could grab the rope and they would let go of a submission.

[349] I don't know.

[350] I don't really watch too much pancreas.

[351] I feel like that was a rule.

[352] You grab the rope, like, oh, I'm safe.

[353] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[354] I think there was something about that, where if you grabbed a hole of the ropes, they had to let go.

[355] No, I think that's a good rule.

[356] I mean, I actually just watched the fights over the weekend.

[357] Darren Elkins, he just got need hard in the temple.

[358] I mean it's a fucking shot dude Illegal knee, yeah And then the guy punches him after And he like falls down I'm like no way That was an illegal knee And then you know He just shakes it off Comes back and ends up beating the guy But Darren's an animal Yeah yeah He's a fucking animal I fought that guy He's tough dude He takes some shots You know Tough as nails He keeps coming Yeah it's like you hit him He's like Chris Leap And he just gets more fired up And keeps coming at you You know But you know As far as those rules I think that's kind of fair I mean unless you know I don't think UFC Fox wants to see people getting head stomped and in their pride rolls, you know, and you know damn well, them guys were juicing over there, so they're just taking people down.

[359] If that was the case, I'd just go juice up, take people down, and just start soccer kicking people all day, you know?

[360] That's scary.

[361] It is.

[362] You imagine somebody standing over you, and then you're just like, fuck, this guy's trying to stomp me out.

[363] I mean, that's a scary thought to be thinking.

[364] I don't know if I don't even want to be fighting.

[365] But do you think that if it was legal, that you wouldn't think that way?

[366] I mean, think all the stuff that you can do inside the octa.

[367] You know, think all the techniques that you do land.

[368] You know, like, that knee that you landed on Dennis Bermudez, that's about as powerful a knee as you could hit a dude with.

[369] On the ground, standing up, no matter where.

[370] I mean, that's a goddamn perfect knee you land on him.

[371] That was pretty fucking spectacular.

[372] Thank you.

[373] But if that wasn't legal, you know, and then you did that, everybody would be like, oh, shit, that shouldn't be legal.

[374] Like, perfect example is a Cyborg Santos -Michael Page fight.

[375] Michael Page hit Cyborg Santos with a knee so hard that he fractured his skin.

[376] His skull, his skull caved in, and the fucking MRIs are insane.

[377] I've never seen that.

[378] In all my years of watching fights and being involved in martial arts, I've never seen anybody's head caved in like that.

[379] Yeah, that's unfortunate, man. You know, I can imagine some trauma and some injuries, and, you know, and I've seen cyborg who's like, oh, I'll be fine, and I'll be fighting in three months.

[380] Yeah, that's what you said?

[381] And I'm like, bro.

[382] Yeah.

[383] No, what?

[384] No, dude.

[385] Like, look at his skull.

[386] That's insane.

[387] That is nuts.

[388] That's like, reminds me. that movie concussion with will smith and he's talking about the the football players that are taking these type of injuries you know and uh that that's bad man this whole fucking skull is crushed it's crazy i've never seen that i've never seen that happen i didn't i thought that that area was so hard because that's the area where i i guess like a lot of people break their their hand right here they don't really break it on that area yeah i mean a knee yeah and you're kind of coming into it that's what it is right he was moving into it and it was really just a perfect storm like him moving in for the takedown Michael Page leaping up at him and he's a bony dude you know he's a tall bony dude so that there's really not like a lot of quad or muscle that's going to hide that knee it's all bone on that dude's head yeah that's a nasty knee congrats to that guy that's pretty sick that guy's a bad motherfucker I want to see that guy in the UFC yeah you break dance and shit yeah well he's just he was a point karate guy for a long time and I've always said that there's something about that ability to just jump in real quick and get the fuck out of there that these point karate guys have their range is way different than like a boxing that's it's kind of interesting that you said mentioned robbie because if you ever watch robbie he doesn't play the kick game he gets in that boxing range that way if you throw a kick he's throwing hands right and you know uh wonder boy you know he he he's a tall rangey dude but he keeps they they keep that distance i mean you're a karate guy so that that range is a lot different than a moitai or a boxing yeah and they're able to move really uh skillfully well the point karate guys in particular, I think that's the next stage of, like, the elite fighters are the, like, the background they come from.

[389] We've seen guys that are successful that come from Muay, we've seen guys that are successful that come from wrestling, but I think that point karate is going to be the next stage, because these guys like Paige and Raymond Daniels, who fights out of glory.

[390] Yair Rodriguez, and my buddy Justin Lawrence is like that, comes from karate background, and he's just fast and nasty, and he keeps that weird range.

[391] and weird little Joe Rogan sidekicks and shit.

[392] Or Skaggins, who's fighting this weekend.

[393] He's fighting Ian McCall this weekend.

[394] Oh, he's fighting Ian McCall.

[395] Yeah, that'd be interesting.

[396] Yeah, Scoggins is something, too, man. He's got that crazy style, too, but he's got wrestling as well.

[397] Yeah, no, I first seen that guy fight, he is good, good cardio, good wrestling.

[398] I think if that guy just shows up with the right mindset, he's going to be one of the top guys.

[399] He's a young kid, too, right?

[400] Young kid.

[401] I think he's only like 25 or 26.

[402] Yeah, young.

[403] And super technical.

[404] Like, his karate especially, like, he's got that wide stance.

[405] moves in and out real quick that's what's real hard to deal with men because the karate style where they jump in and they're used to like leaping in and then they tag each other and get the fuck out of their quick and then they score a point and then everything stops and so they don't have to have like in their sport they didn't have to have like the kind of endurance that you would need to do like try doing that in a tie fight the tie's going to kick your legs but the thing about it is that these guys have developed this incredible ability to close distance really quickly, then they pick up all the other skills as well.

[406] But everybody else has to play catch up on that one thing that they can do, the leaping in and close the distance.

[407] Yeah.

[408] And you get a guy like Paige who's obviously a gifted athlete who's been doing it his whole life.

[409] I mean, he started martial arts, I think before he was five years old.

[410] Yeah.

[411] So he's got years and years of experience.

[412] Plus, his body kind of developed, like we were talking about people that start early with gymnastics or with break dancing.

[413] His body developed leaping in.

[414] throwing kicks, leaping in, throwing punches.

[415] He's got some sick dance moves.

[416] So he's always on rhythm.

[417] He's always on rhythm.

[418] That's interesting.

[419] He's interesting to see.

[420] I'm excited to see that guy in the future.

[421] Well, I'm excited to see a lot of those guys.

[422] Like I said, Raymond Daniels as well, there's a great karate match where the two of them fought in a point karate match.

[423] But he took a look at him here.

[424] You watch what Paige can do.

[425] Look at that.

[426] But he's hilarious, too.

[427] he just stands there, looks off in the distance as the referee stops to fight.

[428] He's obviously, until he fought Cyborg, he's fighting people that have really no business being in there with him.

[429] Cyborg took him down, though, in that first round and presented some real problems.

[430] But look at his distance, man. Yeah, yeah, that range, we were just talking about that.

[431] But look at, like, his ability to fucking leap in, but it's also his ability to get the fuck out of the way.

[432] Look at that.

[433] It attacks off of his back, too.

[434] He even won by a footlock.

[435] is?

[436] The fucker's got arm bars.

[437] I mean, that style of Roy Jones used to have.

[438] I mean, he would just do that weird.

[439] Yeah.

[440] I mean, just real athletic.

[441] Where Roy Jones was one of the greatest boxers of all time and didn't really use a jab.

[442] Instead, he used a leaping left hook.

[443] Yeah, a straight right or leaping left hook.

[444] Well, he used the left hook in place of the jab.

[445] But you look, like, Paige's got crazy shit.

[446] Like that right there.

[447] His ability to close the distance.

[448] And look how quickly he gets out of Dodge.

[449] He's just so used to that style of people leaping at him and getting out of the way.

[450] Look at that one, too.

[451] Nasty.

[452] I mean, part of me likes the fact that he's in Bellator because I think Bellator needs stars because I think UFC needs competition.

[453] And I like Scott Coker.

[454] I like Bellator.

[455] I like Jimmy Smith.

[456] I like the fact they're doing well.

[457] And I would like to see a real legitimate, I'd like to see a real legitimate, legitimate unification fight you know yeah start competing as teams that'd be that'd be sick yeah what are you uh are you ever you thinking about getting out of ufc anytime soon or well i was not gonna announce this until signed but i signed for at least one more year so what i decided to do was um i was on the fence man so i just do too much shit i'm just i'm too fucking busy yeah yeah after a while i'm like i don't know if i'm doing myself or anything i'm all the different things i do a disservice yeah and i was real close, I was like, either I'm just going to completely bail off of this, or I'm going to try to figure it out.

[458] So I had a conversation with Dana.

[459] We had a bunch of conversations, and what I decided to do was no more international travel, no more flying across the planet.

[460] Let Brian Stan take care of that for you.

[461] Brian's fucking awesome.

[462] I'm a big fan.

[463] Oh, he's a good dude.

[464] And as is Dan Hardy, he's fucking awesome and Kenny.

[465] I think those guys do a great job, but for me personally, it's just too much, like if I go to Brazil, that's five days out of my life that I can't do this and I can't do all the other stuff that I do and then on top of that there's the recovery time like when I come back I'm fucking toast no I get it that flying just fucks my head so I decided to only do pay -per -view no more Fox um so I'm cutting down a lot of the events but I'm doing at least a year so it's like a year by year thing but uh at least one more year you got a lot of fans support you do but you know you you probably want to start enjoying life a little bit and cutting down eventually, you know, and just relaxing and enjoying life a little bit, I bet.

[466] Well, you know what made me tip the other way?

[467] I was like, I was like real convinced that it was over.

[468] I'm like, I'm just going to be a fan.

[469] I'll just do fight companions.

[470] The Nate Diaz, Connor McGregor fight and the Holly Holmeycheon -Tate fight.

[471] That night was so crazy and so chaotic.

[472] I walked out of there.

[473] How could I not do this?

[474] How could I not be?

[475] Like, I'm sitting right there at Cage Side for the craziest shit in the sporting world ever.

[476] Yeah.

[477] So, So I decided, it was real recent, man. It was touching go, man. I just didn't know what I was going to do.

[478] One day I'd be like, I'm done.

[479] And the next day I'd be like, ah, I don't know.

[480] So I think the compromise is do less events figured out.

[481] But I don't want anybody to think that I don't appreciate it.

[482] I don't know how lucky I am or I don't think it's an amazing job.

[483] I definitely do.

[484] But I'm just, I'm almost too lucky.

[485] I have too many amazing jobs.

[486] You know?

[487] You've been on the road for you.

[488] That's a lot of traveling, dude.

[489] It's a lot of traveling, a lot of events, and I mean, shit, dude, you've done seeing it all, but...

[490] Well, one year was like 23 events.

[491] I was like, that's crazy.

[492] That's like every other week.

[493] Every other week, I'm flying.

[494] They're getting more and more and more.

[495] UFC is just getting freaking insane, you know, and then the big business deal and a lot of shit's going down.

[496] Even with the steroids, Mark Hunt's going crazy, you know.

[497] Someone needs to talk to Mark, man. Yeah, give him a call, Dana.

[498] Yeah, I feel like someone should have talked to Mark immediately and soothed it out with him.

[499] But here's what I can tell Mark, if Mark is listening, they tested this shit out of Brock Lesnar, and they didn't know.

[500] They didn't know.

[501] The only way they would have known is if Yusada told him.

[502] So Yusada tested him.

[503] He tested clean for a bunch of them.

[504] And then he tested positive for the one that was like, I think, three weeks out of the fight.

[505] And then there was the other one that he tested for post -fight.

[506] So I don't know what was going on.

[507] I don't, I mean, it's just speculation.

[508] but it could have been that he was just really struggling in camp and his uh look here's what he took allegedly right he took estrogen blockers and the only reason that anybody takes estrogen blocker on purpose is to restart their testosterone after they do a steroid cycle that's that's why you take it when you take it on purpose yeah or unless you have some sort of a biological disorder i would Imagine where you have some sort of an excess of estrogen in your body, which I don't know why you would have that I don't I'm not a doctor.

[509] I don't know if I need to tell you that, but I'm not a doctor.

[510] No, no. Did you know I'm not a doctor?

[511] Allegedly.

[512] I'm not a doctor.

[513] So I don't know what the fuck was going on, man. With Brock, who knows?

[514] Maybe Brock was like, look, I'm one and done in this bitch.

[515] I'm just going to just take this shit.

[516] How much, how many weeks do they need to test me?

[517] Okay, so we're inside the window.

[518] Fuck it if we test positive after the fight, we test positive.

[519] Like, who knows?

[520] Who knows?

[521] Yeah, you know, but that's the third time that's happened to Mark Hunt, dude, you know, and he's talking about this fighters' union, which makes things very interesting, bro.

[522] Well, the problem of the fighters' union is fighters have been notoriously single -minded, and they think about themselves.

[523] It's going to be real hard.

[524] It's not like baseball players, you know, it's not like you could get, it's also with baseball players union or football, it's like you have a team, you know.

[525] The UFC is the team, you know.

[526] It's not like, you know, it's not like...

[527] They're the elite.

[528] It's, it's weird.

[529] It's a different thing.

[530] Like, boxing's not going to have a boxers union.

[531] Because then you're always going to have, look, you have ten contenders.

[532] Boxers make a shit ton of money, dude.

[533] They do make a shit ton of money, but the people that make a shit ton of money are the champions.

[534] Yeah.

[535] You know, those are the high -level people.

[536] And the high -level people in MMA make the same amount of money.

[537] The real argument is how much money should the people that are putting on the big shows like you, the guys who are putting on fucking incredible exciting fights how much should you make the headline a card I know if for me personally for my money if I'm watching Jeremy Stevens fight Connor McGregor I'm getting out my fucking popcorn I'm excited I'm paying my pay -per -view money for that let's make that happen let's make that happen 145 yeah I think he's gonna get whipped by Diaz you think so I think so do well he got whipped the first time but he was doing really well in that first round I mean, that first round was a big round for Connor, and then he got tired.

[538] Diaz had, what, 10 days, and he was drinking tequila out of Mexico, 11 days.

[539] Yeah, 11 days, and he was drinking tequila.

[540] Drinking tequila.

[541] I respect that, but I think it's going to be the same situation, I do.

[542] Well, there's a good argument there.

[543] There's a good argument for sure.

[544] Connor's got the one shot, man. He's just like me. He's like a replica of me. He's got that one shot and put your lights out, you know.

[545] But he's like you at 145, whereas Nate, who has been fighting at 155 and 1 -7, His whole career is a bigger guy.

[546] Like, Nate, when I stand next to him, Nate's a big guy, man. Oh, he's big.

[547] He's 55, he's huge.

[548] And he can take a shot.

[549] Yeah.

[550] He takes a fucking, the only guy to put him out was Josh Thompson.

[551] And I've said time and time again, Josh Thompson, one of the most underrated guys in the sport.

[552] Josh Thompson, the timing just wasn't right for him.

[553] Yep.

[554] Old school.

[555] Yeah, he's old school, but he's fucking good, man. He was fucking good.

[556] And when he fought Nate, he was just on his game and he had kicked him.

[557] Yeah.

[558] Josh Thompson had.

[559] kicks anybody he's finishing up yeah no he's an athletic dude man that guy's been around you know and then uh I think he was before the UFC cut out the 55 division you know and that's when I was kind of coming up I was like I'm gonna fight it 170 yeah I'm like fuck it I want to be in UFC I guess I got to go up to 170 yeah so I was taking fights at like 65 well explain people don't know what you're saying is that the UFC didn't have a 155 division for a while yeah they cut it out they got rid of it well this is you know a lot of people don't realize when they see the sport now and it's gigantic and it's huge When you were first fighting and first competing, man, it was, you had to really love what you're doing.

[560] It wasn't like there was some Ronda Rousey, Connor McGregor paydays that people were getting.

[561] You know, when you hear about the paydays these people are getting now, like John Jones's manager was saying that John missed out on at least $10 million for his fight with Daniel Cormier.

[562] And then John Anick was saying that over the two years, it's probably going to cost him as much as $30 to $40 million.

[563] Man, and you factor in all the super fights he could have had in two years?

[564] Yeah.

[565] Which is just fucking crazy.

[566] Yeah, dude, he's one of the pound for pound best, man. He's his own worst enemy, I guess, you know.

[567] Well, for him, it's another weird one.

[568] So that was an estrogen blocker thing.

[569] But I just...

[570] I'm not a doctor, but cycling off.

[571] Those people are cycling.

[572] But how the fuck?

[573] He changed, too, you know?

[574] And that's kind of crazy.

[575] He got real big and he was like into lifting a lot.

[576] And them lifters, man. Those guys love that stuff, so.

[577] Well, the lifters.

[578] two the problem is you get some bro science you know you get some dudes in the gym bro i'm telling you bro you cannot test positive bro this is what you're going to do you're going to drink three gallons of cat piss and you're going to go in there like three gallons yeah yeah dude do it to be a champion do it to be a champion yeah like they'll tell you some wacky shit this guy was telling me that if he was trying to tell me uh that all these ufc guys man they're tested positive i know how to get him off that man i go no you don't yeah you don't know how to beat you sada You fucking goofball.

[579] One of the richest guys, you know, he's giving speeches and high -fiving the president.

[580] If that guy can't beat Jeff Novitsky, I don't think anybody, you know, I mean...

[581] Well, here's the thing about Lance Armstrong, never tested positive.

[582] You have to realize that.

[583] Lance Armstrong never tested positive.

[584] They never caught him.

[585] He admitted guilt.

[586] He had admitted.

[587] Yeah.

[588] Yeah, he had admit it.

[589] But, you know, the walls were closing in.

[590] All these people were suing them.

[591] He was suing people.

[592] There's a lot of chaos going on.

[593] Yeah.

[594] He just wanted to come clean.

[595] There's no drug test that show that Lance Armstrong was doing anything.

[596] Yeah.

[597] He was definitely doing some shit, though, which is really kind of crazy.

[598] I don't get why people want to go ride a bike for that long.

[599] I mean, honestly, you know, since you saw this kind of came in, I've done a lot of cardio and stuff, but I'm like, you know, I've ran up to, like, a little bit over two hours or around two hours.

[600] And, you know, I don't want to go ride a bike for fucking seven, eight hours, and then get up to do it again.

[601] I'm like, for what?

[602] I'm going to do some EPO just so I can just go out and just get it for seven eight hours.

[603] It's a child's fucking method of transportation.

[604] I just do some porn, bro, and just go kill it for seven, eight hours.

[605] Like, why are you going to...

[606] I mean, that's just nuts, too.

[607] I don't...

[608] But to each their own.

[609] Look, what it is is a mental toughness thing.

[610] It's like their idea is like they're going to keep grinding it out.

[611] One of the people are going to slowly back off and fade, and they're going to keep going.

[612] That's the true breaking.

[613] That's what I find in running and doing these long runs and stuff throughout camp that sets a different pace.

[614] and that is right, the mental edge that you have from running and you're just like, it's insane.

[615] You almost got to be a madman, but you only know that when you actually complete that type of a long run and you endure that type of thing.

[616] Everybody else can kind of look back, man, you're crazy, like, what do you do that?

[617] But you are kind of crazy in your head and you're like, yeah, fuck, yeah, I am crazy, I did do that.

[618] You're going to put you on another level.

[619] Isn't it one of those things where you just constantly try to find your limit?

[620] I'm going to hold my breath for a minute.

[621] Hmm, I did it.

[622] Let me see if I could do two minutes.

[623] I did it.

[624] Okay.

[625] What's the world record?

[626] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[627] Then he started trying for whatever the fuck the world record is.

[628] And, like, I have my buddy Cam Haynes.

[629] He does ultramarathons.

[630] He's done 100 miles, and now he's doing 200 miles in August.

[631] He did 100 miles last month to get ready for 200 miles next month.

[632] Damn, dude.

[633] Yeah, like, what?

[634] That's intense.

[635] Two days.

[636] Two days of running.

[637] That's crazy.

[638] It's retarded, right?

[639] Yeah.

[640] He's retarded.

[641] But I bet, like, that guy's probably cool to hang out with.

[642] I bet he's just a wild madman, you know, when you go hang out with him and probably hear some of his ideas and his beliefs.

[643] Well, he's just mentally as tough as it gets.

[644] And he's just trying to find his limits.

[645] You know, he's always trying to find his limits.

[646] And he can't find his limits at 100 miles, which is fucking bananas.

[647] That's all trying for two.

[648] How does he?

[649] How does he?

[650] Hell yeah.

[651] You know what they say?

[652] They say that those marathon or ultra marathon guys, like a lot of them are older because it's not, it's not something that young guys excel at.

[653] Like, you're not going to find, like, a 20 -year -old.

[654] athlete that's really good at running a hundred miles it's dudes that have been divorced and had their heartbroken and went bankrupt and came home and their girlfriend was fucking their best friend like that kind of shit those guys i've been there in high school bad those guys have that extra gear those guys that are that are 30 30 years old and they're they're crying it's like bro get over it dude it's all right man if she's if she wants to go she's going to go and bang you know 30 black guys if she wants to so why does it be black guys always whenever everybody's worried.

[655] Did you see him crying?

[656] I mean, I went through that in high school, man. I was like, right, that's enough of that.

[657] Yeah.

[658] I'm glad I did because, I mean, some people mentally, they just don't get it.

[659] And then when they get a little bit older and they go through it, they're just like, whoa, whole life just changed.

[660] Yeah.

[661] You've got to learn how to get your heart broke and recover.

[662] Like, if you don't get your heart broke, you'll never understand what it's like to get your heart broken.

[663] Like, it's a really important thing.

[664] Like, when it's happening, you feel like the world's over.

[665] Yeah.

[666] You did what with him?

[667] Oh, no. But looking back, it's hilarious.

[668] Like, I look back on some heartbreaks that I had when I was like 19.

[669] I'm like, ah!

[670] Yeah.

[671] Like, I think it's funny now that I was being such a bitch, you know, that I was crying.

[672] I would write her like a look, take me back note.

[673] You took them to her favorite spot.

[674] Why?

[675] You let him touch you and do that?

[676] Oh, no. That shit sucked, dude.

[677] I remember that, man. Of course.

[678] Every guy's, every girl, too.

[679] It's funny.

[680] You look back at it, but, dude, when you're going through it, man, you're like, Fuck, I need to shoot myself right now.

[681] I fucking can't stand this, dude.

[682] Speaking of shoot myself, did you see that video, that fucking rapper that shot himself in the mouth?

[683] Radio, did you see that stupid asshole?

[684] This guy made a video of him.

[685] He put, like, a gun like next to his cheek and shot a hole through his face on camera.

[686] I think he's going to get more hits now.

[687] Yeah, for sure.

[688] You don't walk with the limb.

[689] He's saying he doesn't give a fuck.

[690] I don't give a fuck.

[691] I don't give a fuck.

[692] Want to see it?

[693] Watch.

[694] This guy.

[695] Yeah, go ahead, play it.

[696] Is that a starter pistol, or is that a bullet?

[697] Because here's the thing.

[698] He's in his car.

[699] This is one thing that leads me to think that this is a starter pistol.

[700] Because he's in his car, right?

[701] So where's that bullet going, man?

[702] Straight through his mouth.

[703] He said he swallowed it at the end of the video.

[704] Yeah, did he, though?

[705] Didn't go through his other cheek.

[706] Did he, though?

[707] I don't know.

[708] Let's watch.

[709] What's his name, Casper Knight?

[710] Is that his knight name?

[711] His hits are coming up Oh You did it You don't hurt bad Yes Shit fuck I don't get the fuck About nothing anymore Gangster I swallowed the bullet Shit Yeah Okay that guy didn't swallow anything Fuck we need to go He didn't swallow Run it go We need to go We need to go Whatever Fuck it If I die Fuck it You're not gonna die from that pussy.

[712] What is this guy thinking, man?

[713] He's not.

[714] People do this stuff nowadays and it's just really kind of disgusting.

[715] It's like, where does this guy's parents?

[716] They're at home doing meth.

[717] Oh, man. I swam the fucking bullet.

[718] You just shot yourself, idiot.

[719] He might...

[720] See, it's possible that that was a...

[721] a 22.

[722] It was a very small gun, obviously, because the sound, like, clap.

[723] It was a very, very low volume sound.

[724] So I think that was probably, like, if anything, it was a 22.

[725] And if he did swallow the bullet, I mean, maybe, I guess, maybe.

[726] It doesn't make sense.

[727] It doesn't look like it came out the other side, man. That's kind of disturbing to watch.

[728] It's not really that you just shot himself, but just his attitude.

[729] What the, what is wrong with you, man?

[730] Not good.

[731] Not good.

[732] That's not a goalie and individual.

[733] I don't care if I die.

[734] Well, the crazy thing is that guy might get like success for that like he made some post about it where he was like y 'all got played or something like that like what okay you see the post he wrote he's got a whole oh this is post after it a doctor stitched him up a doctor's like um okay um yeah well you could take a starter pistol by the way and it will blow a hole through your mouth there's a guy who uh it was an actor when i was on uh this tv show his friend was on the tv show with me and the guy had died he was uh playing around with uh a blank and you know he had a like for a movie and he put the thing up to his head and didn't realize that the amount of force that comes out just the air fractured his skull and killed him oh yeah from a blank brandon lee died like that right like brandon lee died because it wasn't a blank there was some sort of a particle that was inside the blank and it shot him in the chest and the conspiracy theory buckle up black helicopters the conspiracy theory is the same people that killed bruce lee wanted to kill brandon lee because bruce like this is what joey dyes believes listen dog i'm telling you you don't get away with those fucking chinese triads you can't you can't dodge that bullet because he was telling me that he was like exactly his voice this motherfucker He was saying that Bruce Lee had some sort of a deal to do movies for the Chinese triad.

[735] And he was doing all these movies for them.

[736] And then left to come to America to be a big -time movie star.

[737] And when he came over to America to be a big -time movie star, he fucked those people that he had this deal with.

[738] And they were like, oh, really?

[739] And then they came and got him.

[740] Man, dude, I'm honestly, dude, growing up, you know, not being racer or anything, but I've had a lot of Asian friends and stuff.

[741] man, and, dude, they get violent and they get into, like, wolf packs quick.

[742] Really?

[743] Like, I've seen, oh, yeah, I did security one time, man, and I've seen, like, two dudes fighting, and then it turned into the whole Asian community just throwing bottles, shooting out in the parking lot.

[744] Whoa.

[745] You know, just throwing cue balls, chairs, more bottles, and this guy's just laying down, like, fetus position.

[746] I've seen him just do a lot.

[747] I mean, they stick together.

[748] I've seen a guy actually stabs some dude.

[749] And then, get this, this guy comes out, and he's like, I just got stabbed, and he's come up to this police officer.

[750] Police officer pulls out this gun and he's like, get on the ground.

[751] He's like, bro, I just got stabbed.

[752] He's like, get on the ground.

[753] And the guy's like squirting blood out his back and then like 50 Honda Civics and Acura's like just all taken off.

[754] And the guy's like laying on the ground.

[755] Why is the cop telling him to get on the ground?

[756] I don't know, man. Des Moines, Iowa.

[757] I saw a fucking video yesterday of a cop.

[758] They just gave this kid like $180 ,000.

[759] A cop hit him.

[760] He's on his motorcycle.

[761] The kid stopped at a light.

[762] cop hits him from behind okay that he falls over get the cop gets out of the car with his fucking gun drawn the kid's like what the fuck the cop kicks him in the chest and breaks his collarbone and then tells him to get on his knees and the kid gets on his knees all captured on fucking video and what was the what was the cause of him getting pulled over nothing there was no cause he the cop rear ended him he was on a motorcycle watch this shit no this ain't it is it it goes way ahead oh that's what was this it you sure this is the same one because the other one was that it was at an intersection jamie oh this guy seems like he's flying are you sure it's the same video well that's the case and this kid it was a speeding thing oh oh okay well that changes everything yeah yeah so they they bumped him on purpose okay let's see how this goes down well I'm changing my fucking tune right here I said this was he's a speeding motorcyclist but Gee, he's not stopping.

[763] Oh, they fucking hit him on purpose.

[764] Boom.

[765] Oh, yeah, yeah.

[766] Oh, okay.

[767] This is different.

[768] This is different.

[769] It's like falling off your little bike.

[770] Yeah, it's a bump.

[771] So watch the cut.

[772] He's like, whoa, what do I do?

[773] Oh, a little front kick, a little 300.

[774] Fatso, a little gay karate kick.

[775] That was a terrible.

[776] He's like holding the gun gangster, too.

[777] Like, right here, he's like, what's up?

[778] He saw too many fucking boys in the hood movies.

[779] Hey, you know what, man?

[780] Okay, that I changed my tune.

[781] People need to shut their mouth when it comes to the authority.

[782] You know, and I think of like these other countries.

[783] I'm like, other countries don't do that because they will sever your head off.

[784] If you're filming them, they're going to cut your head.

[785] You know, people come here and they're like, they get in this mix.

[786] The cops try trying to like, hey, you know, like, you're coming with us.

[787] And then, like, people are recording it.

[788] And then they don't listen.

[789] And the cop has to use force, you know, and they're just, people just don't really respect.

[790] That's true.

[791] There is other sides.

[792] I mean, I do get it.

[793] Well, did you see the guy in Florida that got shot while he was lying down with his hands up talking to, he was a therapist and he's totally an arm lying on his back and the cop shot him.

[794] And he's like, why'd you shoot me?

[795] He's like, I don't know.

[796] And then the cop changed the story.

[797] The cop completely changed the story after it was over.

[798] You know, look, there's good and bad, but I didn't see the full video of this.

[799] I only saw the end, which really makes you think, like when you see a lot of these interactions that people have with cops, like what led the cop to be so fucking ramped up?

[800] Well, here now you understand.

[801] That guy was risking all sorts of people's lives by riding that motorcycle like a fucking maniac and then the cop got a hold of him he bumped him to knock him off the bike but that kid was fine but that kid got $180 ,000 for that breaking the law he gets 180 grand for a weak -ass bitch front kick terrible front kick too right yeah yeah I mean he had that that that Glock though the gangster Glock you know but you know some some people you know the cops they you know not all of them because I have uncles that are cops they're great people but they're just like us, you know, and it makes them no different.

[802] And some people, I feel like they get a little power power trips.

[803] 100%.

[804] I've been polite to cops and I've been treated very rudely.

[805] You know, and then there's times where I've been polite and they've been polite or they let me off on like a speeding ticket and I was speeding.

[806] You know, but there's times where I've seen cops just like look like maybe they got bullied in high school and they take advantage.

[807] But, I mean, that's just human nature.

[808] What do you got?

[809] It was in an unmarked Camaro that looked like this and he didn't have his siren out.

[810] said he only had his lights on.

[811] Oh, he didn't even know he was being chased.

[812] Oh, well, that's...

[813] That's what the motorcycle guy said.

[814] Well, that makes sort of sense.

[815] If you've seen the video of him in and out, I don't know how he got $180 ,000, he's lucky.

[816] Yeah, he's still driving like a douchebag.

[817] I mean, if you want to drive like that, go on a fucking raceway, man. You can take that bike on a raceway.

[818] You're not supposed to cut in and out of traffic the way he was doing, going ridiculously excessive speeds.

[819] That video, like, when he's cutting off, cars and stuff like that that's that's how people die and not necessarily you that happens here in la all the time i was driving down here from san diego and i mean i do that all the time but people those bikers man they zone in and out and i don't hear them coming behind me because they're flying and i'm in between traffic and they come by and almost like scrape your mirrors and then like they're getting mad at you and you're like bro i don't see you yeah you know i got a little bit of music playing it's not like real loud but it's like i can't hear you into like you're right there that's why it's good to have harleys those harley davidson's are so loud yeah like there's a I saw a bumper sticker that said loud pipes save lives.

[820] They really do.

[821] It makes a big difference.

[822] It makes sense that they have those loud pipes like that.

[823] But, you know, I think that cops are just like you and me. And one of the things that I think we should all take into consideration is the amount of people that they deal with on a daily basis that are criminals, that are violent, that are dangerous, that there's just so much shit they have to deal with.

[824] I just don't think most people are qualified for that job.

[825] I think that job should be for people that are like ex -military that are solid as a fucking rock.

[826] I think it should be super high paying and should be a really well -respected job.

[827] And I think those people should be like integrated in whatever community that they're enforcing.

[828] Yeah.

[829] You know, I was actually telling this, I don't even know if I told my coach today, but I was thinking I was like, man, I want to go and like help out the cops and a little bit of like hand, like, our combat and go in and go in and help them out because, I mean, a lot of people don't know.

[830] I mean, if you come up to me and I'm not thinking anything, but I can just quickly pull out a gun and shit.

[831] shoot you and sometimes those cops don't know you know and they're trying to be nice and then they get killed on the spot or you know they may not know and they kill them and maybe it wasn't a gun but i mean that's a quick little within you have to make a huge decision in just such a matter of seconds yeah it's going to be me going home and you know not just like a fight you know it's like yeah it's going to be me going home the winter and feed my family as compared to you you know that's that's life or death situation so it's it's definitely scary i feel like they definitely need a little bit better education on the training and uh you know if anybody in San Diego is listening to this or any police, you know, I'd love to come help.

[832] You know, I'm sure, like, Dominicruz and the guys, we'd love to come help and, you know, and have you guys come into the gym and just keep the community safe.

[833] Well, I think it should be, it should be mandatory.

[834] The cops have at least some sort of martial arts training because, you know, I was talking to Big John McCarthy about this, where he was telling me how few police officers can even physically defend themselves.

[835] He's like, there's a lot of guys that just don't, they don't know anything and they don't work out at all.

[836] Overweight, yeah.

[837] Yeah, and if shit goes down, like, they're helpless.

[838] And these are supposed to be the people that are supposed to serve and protect.

[839] You know, and John, obviously, he's a giant dude, and plus a black belt in Brazilian jiu -jitsu and been around martial arts whole life.

[840] But, you know, when you're dealing with someone who is an explosive, dangerous person that might be a felon their whole life, and you're someone who has no experience at all in any kind of hand -to -hand combat situation, you're in a bad spot.

[841] Yeah.

[842] You know, a lot of them don't know, and I've even been in, like, training with, like, the Army and Military and Wounded Warriors program.

[843] I mean, I've trained a lot of people, and a lot of people don't even know the basis of just hand fighting, and how hand fighting is very important, especially if someone's holding a gun.

[844] You know, they don't even know that or no chokes, and it's like, wow, that's crazy.

[845] They don't know basic stuff, you know?

[846] Yeah.

[847] Because what if they ran into a guy like me out there, you know, like one of those villains, like the guy from Morocco who robbed a bank, you know, he's just like a legit criminal.

[848] I mean, which some are.

[849] Oh, Lee Murray?

[850] Yeah, Lee Murray.

[851] You know, and then you run to that guy, and he's, like, he's, like, being all cool, and then, boom, all of a sudden he's, like, trying to snap your neck.

[852] Well, that guy was crazy because he was super skilled, but a fucking legit gangster, criminal, criminal, pulled off the biggest...

[853] 80 million...

[854] Armed heist in European history, right?

[855] Never found a single dollar.

[856] Is that true?

[857] Yeah.

[858] They never found the money?

[859] Never found the money.

[860] Oh, my God.

[861] Yeah.

[862] Who's got the money?

[863] Lee Murray.

[864] Allegedly.

[865] Lee?

[866] Well, he's in jail now, right?

[867] In Morocco.

[868] Yeah, Pat Militich, an old training coach of mine, he keeps in touch with him as like a pen pal.

[869] I don't know if he still does or not, but...

[870] Dear Lee.

[871] Yeah, dear Lee.

[872] I was watching Pat today.

[873] I was watching him.

[874] He was, I watched Lion Fight.

[875] I'm a big fan of Lion Fight.

[876] He was doing commentary for Lion Fight.

[877] Yeah.

[878] Pat was saying that he was about to do a hundred mile run.

[879] I was going to ask him about like do a four mile a 10 mile and then he's basically like building up like 15 20 miles that he's going to do a hundred mile run but like you just do that slowly just by building like a little base and getting himself ready for that but that's uh why was he doing that i don't know he's getting older just fuck it a divorce or i don't know man you never know maybe he's this uh looking for a new challenge yeah retired from fighting you know i mean uh i seen don fry recently just get knocked out recently but you know i mean i feel like yeah he got knocked out by one of uh was it dog the bounty hunter's uh security guys or something oh that was really old oh that's an old oh that's an old yeah yeah that video was from a long time ago don was really drunk oh yeah yeah and he got in some sort of a fight in a hotel with some dude yeah i seen that i think that was really old there's always that dog in you you know i mean you've probably been away from competition for a while but i mean you still like to grapple and and just get after it like in your gym always see you hitting it but i mean just as a man or a competitor you always have that type of i mean eventually you got to let it go and eventually your time's going to pass but i mean you're always going to have that drive and you know running or doing something like that or swimming is always going to probably keep that passion that drive that's still in you so it's probably good to kind of release that and go out there i mean it's definitely i think it's definitely good to push yourself in some sort of a way because i think we're a lot of guys it's really um a classic story with boxers especially they stop competing and then they get into hard drugs and it happened with Joe Lewis it happened with it's that white guy Irish dude which one Floyd knocked him out he was doing cocaine with some hookers they got him on video what's his name man oh Ricky Hatton Ricky Hatton yeah I was thinking of God damn it the dude who Cassius Clay beat for the time Sunny Liston Sunny Liston he died of a drug overdose too yeah a lot of those guys they stop fighting and then there's also the the thought of you know you have a long career of getting hit in the head and then you you'd want to self -medicate after it's over like a lot of these guys they have issues with their their their systems like their endocrine systems they have issues with their pituitary gland a lot of depression comes in and they start they start trying to fix that with alcohol or fix that feeling with cocaine or prescription and stuff like that drugs yeah yeah those are the worst man well prescription drugs are a real problem because a lot of guys get injured and then you know they go to a doctor they got a you know a problem their lumbar or something like that or trying to mask it yeah yeah it's dangerous man i watched that episode ballers and uh the rock johnson he's always smashing them vicodins and you know those NFL guys and talks about that you've seen that show it's pretty sick show the rock's the man and uh you kind of see that and you're like man that kind of makes sense that you know most likely that they are shooting them up and get back on the field.

[880] You got to win the game.

[881] And, you know, when you're in that moment, you're not thinking about it.

[882] But then in the longevity, you know, like that movie Concussion, you know, the one guy from the Steelers was going down the opposite way and smashed it into a car, was wanting to kill his family and just snaps out, you know, and that's just crazy, man. Well, you know, head injuries are no fucking joke, man. And that was one of the things that Brock was talking about with WWE that earlier in his career, he had issues where he was, you know, those guys are.

[883] fucking flipping each other and landing on people could say that's fake wrestling they use that term fake wrestling yeah those fucking flips are real man the impact is real those guys getting body slammed that's all that all counts cutting themselves and then you know tax like mankind used to do and falling off the cages and the tables and then those uh those metal chairs and they would just bash them over yeah that's real that's real that's real yeah yeah that's i'm like dude that's crazy it is crazy and do you see that a lot of those guys are suing the w w w e now like jimmy super Superfly Snooka was wearing a suit and going to court, and they're suing the WWE for head injuries.

[884] Superfly's still around?

[885] Superfly's still around.

[886] That guy's probably got some head injuries.

[887] Didn't he used to jump off the rope and do like the head butt?

[888] Yeah, that was his thing.

[889] He was one of the most dangerous moves.

[890] He would get the Superfly.

[891] He would stand on the top ring and fly to the air.

[892] His jungle chodeys.

[893] Boom.

[894] His fucking brain jostling around inside his coconut.

[895] Yeah, he had that Gene Simmons hair, dude.

[896] That's sick.

[897] That's tight.

[898] He was my favorite, man. My manager was just telling me about Jake the Snake.

[899] There's a documentary on Netflix, and it's just sad that that guy, he went to alcoholism, to depression, was in a trailer, just went from having everything to those injuries and self -medication into drug and alcohol addiction and stuff.

[900] It's a hard road.

[901] That life of being a pro wrestler is so fucking difficult.

[902] They don't get nearly enough credit for what they do.

[903] Those guys are on the road, sometimes 260.

[904] plus days a year and they are throwing each other through fucking doors and smashing each over in the head and fucking all the stunts that they have to do all the flips and all the craziness while lifting like meatheads too juicing up and juicing up lifting like crazy that's crazy man yeah it is crazy but it's a lifestyle yeah I mean they choose it I guess you gotta love it yeah you do you know when you got you got to love it and that's ultimately their decision it is I guess but But I think Superfly was saying that, well, see, don't one know, it's kind of crazy that this is really recent.

[905] But, you know, when I was a kid, I was in high school in the 80s, and Superfly was the man, you know, he was like the big deal in the 80s when I was in high school.

[906] So no one knew shit about concussions back then.

[907] No. No one knew anything about CTE.

[908] We never heard of that term.

[909] Yeah.

[910] We heard of brain damage.

[911] Like, guys get punched drunk.

[912] That's what we heard.

[913] But we always thought, oh, you could kind of tell.

[914] see a guy like starting to slur his words it's time to stop and you'll get better you know yeah but that's we didn't know that you get it from playing football you never heard of that right no nobody even talked about it then well the NFL covered it up yeah yeah well that was I didn't see that movie concussion but that's what it's based on right yeah and you know but at the same time you know the guys they want to go out there they want to play they want to they want to they want to compete you know it's just a natural drive but I mean you are putting yourself at risk but you know at the same time we could all just go out of here and get in a car accident and die just so of that you know there's a lot of things that people do that they really really enjoy that are risky are we supposed to tell people they can't fucking surf anymore because there's sharks out there yeah yeah I mean what are we supposed to do you tell people they can't race cars anymore you can't it's uh I mean no one could talk about it better than you I mean you're a professional cage fight it's one of the most dangerous jobs in all sports I started just fighting for just kind of defend myself going through different schools and getting bullied and you know I started fighting fighting fighting but then And once I kind of got into the sport, and my uncle who kind of led me into this, my grandpa, and then I started fighting at 16 years old, and I was fighting, like, grown men and adults.

[915] And in MMA fights?

[916] MMA.

[917] And at Noholds bars.

[918] Like, we'd go to a bar, and there'd be, like, pool tables, people would be drinking beer.

[919] I couldn't even get in.

[920] You had to be, like, 18 to get in.

[921] I was 16, but my grandpa, he was super cool, nice guy.

[922] He allowed me to come in, and I was fighting these grown men.

[923] I was like, gosh.

[924] Your grandpa brought you to fight in a cage when you were 16?

[925] Because he knew he was legit, man. Grandpa must be gangster.

[926] He was.

[927] He's passed away, but yeah, he was gangster.

[928] What a great grandpa.

[929] Yeah, he boxed and wrestled throughout his life and was a competitor.

[930] Wow.

[931] He's seen me getting a couple of street fights, you know.

[932] And he's like, you know, he knew I was wrestling.

[933] I'd always kind of get scrapping wrestle because I used to just cross -face people real hard.

[934] And I'd always kind of get into a little scrap and match or whatever.

[935] And he invited me out there, and Josh Neer was the man out there at the time, and I was 16 years old.

[936] And I go out there and I just start fighting.

[937] And then like once I did that And then like my first fight And then my older sister, she was there And like she, there was like these strippers that were there I mean had huge boobs You know, I never seen anything like that And she's like oh this is my brother he just won They're like oh hey like what's up you know And I'm like man like this is the life right Just knock somebody out And now the girls are hit me up you know And then like I was like the man in school And I did it and I did it just because I loved it And you know now I look back today And I'm like man here I am making thousands of dollars Traveling the world meeting people sent down here the podcast, Joe Rogan.

[938] I'm like, damn, dude, this fighting really took me very far.

[939] I feel like I found my passion.

[940] Well, you caught a wave.

[941] You know, you caught it like right when it was taken off.

[942] And like we were talking about, you were in the UFC before there was even a 155 -pound division.

[943] You were thinking about fighting 170.

[944] Yeah.

[945] And Josh Neer.

[946] Josh Neer was old school as fuck.

[947] Yeah.

[948] That's a tough dude.

[949] That's another dude doesn't get enough credit.

[950] Josh Neer, he's a talented motherfucker man and tough as nails.

[951] Yeah.

[952] My best man. That's my guy, dude.

[953] My right -hand man. It's a good dude.

[954] Yeah.

[955] Good fighter.

[956] around.

[957] Do you ever see that video?

[958] I'm sure you've seen it.

[959] Hell of a father too, dude.

[960] He's a good dude.

[961] He's actually pretty smart with his money.

[962] A lot of people thought he was stupid just because he's quiet or people like, what's up with him?

[963] I'm like, I just don't want to talk to people.

[964] He just thinks a lot of people are bullshit, you know, which mainly motherfuckers are, you know.

[965] Yeah, for sure.

[966] He just, he's real conservative.

[967] But once you get to know him, dude, he's the funniest dude.

[968] He's always pranking people.

[969] Oh, really?

[970] Yeah, he's a jokester.

[971] And he was really good with his money.

[972] And he, he, uh, he paved the way for a lot of Iowa guys, you know, coming out of Des Moines.

[973] You know, he went up to Milititch.

[974] I followed him.

[975] And I I wouldn't be here today if it wasn't for him.

[976] That's a good story, man. The guy's an animal.

[977] Yeah, I was always a big fan of the way he fights, too.

[978] He fought very, very smart and very tough.

[979] Technical, relentless, dude.

[980] Do you see that?

[981] I'm sure you've seen it.

[982] I was going to say, the video of some dude came into the gym and challenged him, some big ass dude, and he beat the fuck out of the guy.

[983] Yeah, he had a story about that.

[984] The guy was kind of bullying him.

[985] He said that the guy was huge.

[986] Real cool.

[987] Yeah, he said he met him out at the bar.

[988] And he's like, hey, let me buy you a drink.

[989] Let me buy you a drink.

[990] And he's being cool at the bar, and he's just like, man, this guy's kind of weird.

[991] So he kind of separated.

[992] Didn't have any conversation.

[993] The guy was being all cool.

[994] He says, as he was leaving, he's like, man, I went to go get some girls, you know.

[995] He's like, this guy, there's a lot of dudes at the bar.

[996] He, like, I left.

[997] He's like, I look on my phone.

[998] It's on Facebook.

[999] This guy's like, if you, dude, I'll beat your ass, blah, blah, blah, like, you don't know me, da, da.

[1000] And Josh was like, okay, bro, I don't even know you, but, you know, I thought everything was cool.

[1001] So out of nowhere, he meets the guy, says, all right, man, I'm going to get out of here.

[1002] and then the guy just starts talking crazy shit after he left.

[1003] And then he keeps harassing Josh, and Josh is like, okay, bro, like, I don't get while you're coming at me, but you want to come to the gym, sign the waiver, we can go at it.

[1004] And so Josh is, by the way, way, way bigger than him.

[1005] Way bigger.

[1006] I think he's got some issues.

[1007] Well, Josh fought like 55.

[1008] Do you fight 70 toward the end?

[1009] This guy's like 220 at least.

[1010] Yeah, right?

[1011] Big dude.

[1012] Enormous dude.

[1013] And he comes in, I guess Josh, like, sparred a little bit, but he's kind of like conserving, and he's like, because I figured this guy was going to come in.

[1014] and he said he came in and then he's like let's go.

[1015] And then they're like they laced up and then they fought and then Josh just kind of just walked forward just kept his hands up, let the guy kind of bomb and get tired and he eventually took him down and started putting it on him.

[1016] Yeah he beat the shit out of him but didn't the guy have boxing gloves on when there's something weird like Josh had MMA gloves?

[1017] He's like he was smaller and he the guy chose the boxing so he chose what he wanted to do.

[1018] So it was like an old school UFC event like a crap like it was like going down and then the guy was like wasn't someone trying to press charges on josh no no charges were ever pressed there was some weirdness going on because it was all over the the internet and everybody was talking about what neer did was kind of fucked up and i'm like well i don't know man when a guy comes to your gym and wants to fight like that that's a weird predicament for a professional fighter to be in but it's real common like dojo wars have always been common dyes was in them i mean uh that's how they say the graces back in the day they would uh these boxers and uh weightlifters i mean there's a lot of old school video of guys would just come in, like, you think you're the man with this jujitsu stuff, like, let's see it.

[1019] Then they would get beat up and tapped out, you know, and then they obviously had a respect for it.

[1020] That happens in all sorts of martial arts schools.

[1021] That happened in my Taekwendo school all the time.

[1022] Once or twice, like, a year, some guy would come in out of nowhere that wanted a fight.

[1023] And then they would put him in there with a blackbell and you'd get kicked in the head.

[1024] It was common.

[1025] It was super common.

[1026] It's like, I think that's always going to be the case.

[1027] If you have a place that teaches people how to fight, there's always going to be some fucking wakadoo who thinks he knows how to fight wants to go in there and do get out.

[1028] I don't get it.

[1029] And I've seen Dominic Cruz on a video not that long ago, an old school video, beat some Mike Thug.

[1030] He comes in and then he's like, he's like, no, just stand with me. You know, and this and that.

[1031] Did you ever see that video?

[1032] There's a video of a dojo war where these karate guys beat this homeless guy, like almost to death.

[1033] And the word was that they beat him to death.

[1034] but they dragged the guy out and threw him in a dumpster but this is a see I don't know if anybody ever like definitively because this was like something that took place in like the 1980s and I don't know if they ever it's a fucking very disturbing video to watch because the guy like he was getting his ass kicked and the guy kept beating him up this is it yeah so I think the guy who's the homeless guy who's uh...

[1035] is you wearing the bell bottoms right there?

[1036] Yeah that dude That dude, see it says right there, mentally challenged man beaten to death by MMA fighter.

[1037] See, it wasn't MMA because there wasn't even MMA back then.

[1038] So the guy behind him, the black guy with the black belt in the white ghee is the guy who beat the fuck out of him.

[1039] And this guy, I guess he was just a crazy person and these guys exist that pretended he knew martial arts.

[1040] And I think he thought he was just going to go in there and work out or something.

[1041] something and so he's like throwing these little he's got like a little something throwing some kicks but look he's not it's not even like he's really trying to hit him it seems it's weird touch butt actually he's kind of crazy but the other guy is like taking his time and he winds up beating the fuck out of him oh a little inside inside like kick so i don't know what style of karate it is but this is super old school i mean the the video is shitty as fuck see what But he's throwing, the other guy's throwing, but he's like doing like karate, like, oh, they tried a wheel kick to the leg.

[1042] Sweep the leg.

[1043] Yeah.

[1044] It's weird, man. It's weird because it's not, oh, see, he just connected.

[1045] Left hook.

[1046] The guy just doesn't really know how to fight, but he sort of knows how to look like he's fighting.

[1047] He just crushed him with that punch.

[1048] He's done right there.

[1049] Why he's going to keep pounding him?

[1050] Oh, he beats the fuck out of this guy.

[1051] It's way worse than this.

[1052] Oh.

[1053] He head kicks him when he's down.

[1054] There's that knee we're talking about.

[1055] Yeah.

[1056] The need a downed opponent.

[1057] Is that black dynamite?

[1058] And he's like, I'm done, I'm done.

[1059] He's like, nope.

[1060] So then he comes back.

[1061] See, now he's almost kind of like fighting for his life.

[1062] But he's fighting a guy that's a trained martial artist that's probably been doing this forever because he's a black belt.

[1063] He should have just kind of knocked him and let it be, dude.

[1064] Yeah, he's.

[1065] Oh, they got sound effects.

[1066] Oh, yeah, it's unnecessary right there.

[1067] He's out, he's out.

[1068] He's out.

[1069] Dude, back at the head.

[1070] Oh my god, dude's done.

[1071] You hear that?

[1072] What the...

[1073] See, if it stomps, his head stumps?

[1074] Dude, drag him out the back door.

[1075] Damn, that's crazy.

[1076] Look at the blood.

[1077] Blood coming out of his head.

[1078] Is that guy ever getting any trouble for that?

[1079] I don't know.

[1080] I don't know what the story is behind that.

[1081] There's the trail of the Kung Fu master.

[1082] This is Snapchat today where you're snitching on yourself right here.

[1083] Basically.

[1084] Evidence.

[1085] This is the blood Departing My Dojo Wow man Yeah That's kind of messed up It's taken on 13 December 1984 There it goes Told the date 7 p .m. What is this guy trying to go to jet?

[1086] I mean Snapchat Boy I guess you Kind of make the argument That it was a fight So what happens They show where they put the guy Is this outside?

[1087] What is this just blood on the ground?

[1088] guy to die or no he didn't know I don't know because I don't know if anybody's ever we'll see if you can find out whatever data is on it that's insane but my point is like those kind of things they've they've happened throughout the history of martial art schools I saw a bunch of dojo wars back in my taekwondo days but I never saw anybody get beaten to death like that or if the guy was beat he could have easily died he got stomped on the head twice while he's unconscious and that was a big guy that stomped him and he stomped him on the temple.

[1089] You could die for that.

[1090] The guy was knocked out with the knees on the ground.

[1091] Mm -hmm.

[1092] So he's just like trying to get out.

[1093] But you can just clear his day.

[1094] The guy's out of his wits.

[1095] He's knee him in the back of the head and a couple stomped that.

[1096] That's kind of necessary.

[1097] Well, the stumps too, whereas his head was flat completely on the ground.

[1098] That guy just stomped his head.

[1099] Yeah.

[1100] Weird.

[1101] Yeah.

[1102] And it's a guy, obviously, a karate guy who knows how to kick and he's stomping you.

[1103] That's not like a regular person stomping you.

[1104] The guy's going to get some force behind those stumps.

[1105] Yeah, I don't know what happened.

[1106] See what we find out.

[1107] Sorry to be a Moodbreaker.

[1108] What's next for you, brother?

[1109] What's going on?

[1110] Man, I want the big fights, man. I was hoping to get Aldo, you know?

[1111] But, I mean, you know, I know Max Holloway is in front of me and the guys who are in front of me right now coming off loss, yeah.

[1112] What are they?

[1113] I don't like the rankings, man. I don't.

[1114] I just want to fight, man. I've been, dude, I'm the type of guy that I just go up.

[1115] Sean Shelby sees me and he looks at me and then he just like runs the other way.

[1116] What are the rankings?

[1117] I think I'm number like seven But like Dennis Bermuda is number six I think he's in front of me See how's that work?

[1118] See here's a that's a perfect example I don't ever pay attention to that man Honestly I've been fighting everybody in the 55 and 45 division It's like Well the rankings are based on People's input But it's not It's the input of writers You know like here's a perfect example When Connor McGregor knocked out Jose Aldo Some Brazilian writer Put him lower On the list than he was before He's just jealous Yeah, well there's a lot of other nutty shit Like here's a perfect example When you're Raya Hall Knocked out Gagar Musassi Yeah He was ranked below him After the fight Below him on the fucking rankings Well what the fuck is the point of the rankings If you fight a guy You knock him out You stop him He jumps spinning back kicked him in the head And then put him away What the fuck?

[1119] What more does a guy have to do To get ranked ahead of a guy You know what I guess they're ideas that Mosasi has more experience.

[1120] If you watch Yariah Hall fight and you can't tell he's a motherfucker.

[1121] Yeah, yeah.

[1122] He's a beast.

[1123] Then stop.

[1124] Stop watching fights.

[1125] Stop commenting.

[1126] Stop writing shit.

[1127] Yeah.

[1128] That's crazy.

[1129] He won.

[1130] He moves ahead.

[1131] That's it.

[1132] Yep.

[1133] I believe that too, man. So how the fuck is Dennis Bermuda ahead of you?

[1134] I don't know.

[1135] I think because maybe he beat Max and then I lost to Max, which is a...

[1136] When did he beat Max?

[1137] Holloway?

[1138] Yeah, he beat Holloway.

[1139] When did he beat Holloway?

[1140] A couple years ago before Connor did.

[1141] Yeah, Bermudas is a beast, dude.

[1142] He is very good.

[1143] He's very good.

[1144] No doubt about it.

[1145] I'm not saying, he gave you one of the best craps ever.

[1146] I'm not saying there's anything wrong with Bermudas.

[1147] He's an awesome fighter.

[1148] Yeah.

[1149] But I did not know that he beat Holloway.

[1150] I thought Holloway's only loss was to Connor.

[1151] Connor and Dennis.

[1152] Oh, no shit, man. And then he lost a poor year.

[1153] Well, also, Holloway is really young.

[1154] You know, I mean, you think when he fought Dennis, I mean, I don't even know he fought Dennis.

[1155] I'm trying to remember that fight.

[1156] He was young.

[1157] He was.

[1158] Connor, he was really young, too.

[1159] I mean, he's a young kid.

[1160] Yeah, talented.

[1161] Very talented.

[1162] I was trained with that guy back and forth, so it's kind of weird fighting him, and that's why maybe the fight would just didn't play.

[1163] He knew I had the power, and then he just kind of played the, just moving around game, and it was just weird, man. I really couldn't get into my style of fighting, my rhythm, and it was just kind of like.

[1164] He's clever.

[1165] Yeah, yeah, and he moves a lot.

[1166] Yeah, he's clever in not being there for the big shots.

[1167] He rarely gets hit with big shots.

[1168] He mixes good.

[1169] with switch stances and everything, but just overall, we never really got into a fight.

[1170] I felt like we just really didn't get in that type of engagement.

[1171] And it was just weird because I trained with this guy before.

[1172] I, like, I knew who he was and, like, I'm in there.

[1173] And things are going so slow that I know exactly everything's going on.

[1174] I really just couldn't be in the moment.

[1175] I'm kind of like, man, like, I know everything.

[1176] Like, I'm seeing people in the front row.

[1177] I just felt really weird.

[1178] Oh, wow.

[1179] So, like, you weren't zoned in?

[1180] Yeah, just didn't have, like, the focus.

[1181] I don't know.

[1182] Maybe it was just, yeah, he's like, Shandled him.

[1183] Yeah, yeah, right?

[1184] His little tattoos had him in the zone or something, dude.

[1185] I don't know.

[1186] That was just a weird thing.

[1187] Smart for him, man. He's a very clever guy.

[1188] I like the way he fights.

[1189] I like the way he fought Cubb Swanson.

[1190] I was super impressed with that because Cub is dangerous as fuck.

[1191] Yep.

[1192] That's another good one.

[1193] The way he fought Ricardo Lamas.

[1194] He was like, let's just do it right here.

[1195] Fuck, that was crazy.

[1196] Throw it down.

[1197] The end of the fight.

[1198] I'm like, bro, why didn't we do that?

[1199] You know, like, come on, man. Yeah, well, there's certain levels of knockout power.

[1200] Yeah, honestly, man, back in the day, dude, I used to throw him around a lot, so I think he just knew that he just wasn't going to try to engage with me, and he just was going to stay away.

[1201] Power's a weird thing, isn't it?

[1202] It's like some guys like you just have certain, yeah, there's just no getting around that.

[1203] There's, like, there's certain guys that no matter what they do, they'll have great technique, they'll win fights, they'll even knock guys out, but they'll never just be able to just step in and rumble.

[1204] Johnson somebody yeah savage you know that's just what makes rumble johnson him and that's what makes him me and Robbie law were probably three in the same yep and I don't try to be a movement guy I don't try to do do this and that I like to be in the fight getting after it because I feel like I can break people that or I'm gonna knock you out if not I'm gonna be in shape to go all the rounds do you ever think that maybe if you could be a movement guy could do all those other things you could have that as well because it's not like your power is ever going to go away you're always going to have that, like when you knocked out Dosanjos with that uppercut, like, that's, that's classic Jeremy Stevens, you know, when you knocked out Bermudas with that flying knee.

[1205] You've got that power.

[1206] Like, if you incorporated all those other techniques that you see these other guys doing as well, like, you know, have you ever thought of that?

[1207] Like, maybe just expanding what you do.

[1208] And also, I work on that all the time.

[1209] Because people expect a certain kind of fight from you.

[1210] Because you're so aggressive, you're so, you know, moving forward all the time that if you fought in a different way it would probably fuck people up yeah i mean i'm always trying to work on everything because i feel like you have to be adapting using the charles darwin theory it's not the strongest or the smartest this person who's willing to adapt to change that's going to be around the longest and uh you got so many young talented kids coming up uh you know like just young you know like little max holloway's yaya rodriguez like these little uh pedis getting better working your game in all angles jujitsu wrestling who is yaya are fighting he's fighting someone good caseras yeah that's interesting those uh little barn barbers i like cassarice he's a funny dude i see that fight going like uh that uh that tony ferguson and that other guy i see that fight a little funky fight just action going on craziness yeah like real legit fight yeah i yeah rodriguez is no fucking joke yeah dude that's what i'm saying you gotta be those kicks got to be on your toes man that dude throws some wild, the Andrew Feeley fight caught him with that fucking flying roundhouse kick Dude, god damn he's good Yeah, yeah He's also like He practices that shit so often Like you've ever see him hit pads He's karate, crudy Yeah, well taekwendo, yeah He'll throw like all that spinning shit In practice all the time Yeah Like it's a part of his normal combinations First nature You know he's not just trying to do that shit Or try to try not to be Or try to be exciting or something Right, right, right Just kind of harnesses his own What did you think of Aldo versus Edgar, the second fight?

[1211] Oh, it was boring, dude.

[1212] Did you think it was boring?

[1213] I think as a fighter, there was a lot of stuff going on at a high level and good stuff going on, but I just thought it was boring.

[1214] I just felt like Aldo just fought to just get by and win.

[1215] But Frankie didn't look like himself, man. I think he got caught a bunch of times.

[1216] I think Aldo looked masterful.

[1217] I thought it was a brilliant fight.

[1218] Yeah.

[1219] I mean, if you're going to fight Frankie, that's the way to fight him.

[1220] Yeah.

[1221] I mean, he threw very little kicks, countered with punches and movement.

[1222] I thought he looked great.

[1223] Yeah.

[1224] As far as, like, I don't mean, that's what I'm saying.

[1225] As, like, I look at that and I'm like, I see the type of level that is at, but it's just like, it was a boring fight.

[1226] But then I also felt like it was kind of weird.

[1227] I didn't see Frankie moving like he did.

[1228] And it made me kind of think maybe he was injured.

[1229] I just think he just got caught.

[1230] He got hit with some big shots.

[1231] He's a little guy, too, and Jose is a lot bigger than him, and he's had his number.

[1232] Well, Aldo looked big in that fight, too.

[1233] Like, he looked smaller for the McGregor fight, and I think he concentrated a lot more on strength and conditioning for this fight, and he looked like Aldo of old.

[1234] He looked like the Aldo that knocked out Mendez in Brazil.

[1235] He looked thick.

[1236] So I think, yeah, I think maybe, you know, he's had issues back and forth with making 145, so maybe he's got it dialed in better.

[1237] I don't know.

[1238] I bet he did, because he did look great that fight, and he did fight a smart fight, And I just felt like he could have finished Frankie.

[1239] I felt like he could have did a little bit more.

[1240] But then I also heard that he didn't want to throw kicks and he only used his left hand because he had like some snitches telling him like that Frankie was going to take him down off kicks, you know, which...

[1241] But that's obvious, isn't it?

[1242] I mean, obviously Frankie's going to try to take him down off kicks because Aldo's got that nasty left right leg kick.

[1243] Yeah.

[1244] You know, he's always throwing kicks.

[1245] Yeah.

[1246] I don't think he ever really took him down.

[1247] I mean, Aldo just gets right back up, you know.

[1248] Well, I mean, he just fought a great fight If you want to beat Frankie I mean, I liked it I enjoyed it I thought it was a really good fight But I see your point, it wasn't like Oh shit, oh shit Yeah, yeah I just think stylistically that doesn't really play out With Frankie and him I think you put me in Aldo in there Or me like McGregor I think you're going to see a lot of high level action We're going to be kicking and punching each other Neeing each other in the face And it's going to be exciting you know at the same time but still very skilled in a method of madness type of way yeah how old you know man 30 30 30 so when you think about your career do you have it mapped out like what you're trying to accomplish and when you when do you have an exit strategy do you know when you're when you're going to be done yeah yeah yeah prime right now like athletic prime is like 30 to 34 right yeah exactly i mean look at robbie lawler i look up to that guy a lot in the way the way he's kind of handled his career and who's to say within you know what if i go in there in the next like three, four fights, I'm just getting K -O'd.

[1249] And then it's like, okay, it's like the Sam Stott's like, man, maybe it's time for me to hang up, you know, then I would definitely leave.

[1250] If I'm, if I'm getting ruined like that and hurting myself, I don't want to be brain dead or talking about killing my family because I have trauma injuries or anything like that, so definitely not.

[1251] But I definitely want to, I have an extra strategy and things that I want to do.

[1252] But as of right now, I feel healthy.

[1253] I want to keep fighting.

[1254] That's like I said, I tell Sean Shelby, I'm like, man, keep me active, dude.

[1255] I don't want to fight twice a year.

[1256] You know, that's rough to live off of.

[1257] and I just want to keep fighting because I just want to be right back in the mix.

[1258] Even if I had to go out of top 10 right now because everybody else is kind of lost and I've already fought people where they already got fights, you know, let somebody else from like the 11 or 12, 13th guy in the rankings who's coming off a win, let's me and him fight and then we can get right back in the mix so that we can get those Josie Aldo's, those conners because I want to keep the featherweight exciting, the featherweight division.

[1259] That's why I moved down here.

[1260] I feel like a lot more athletic, explosive, and I want those exciting fights.

[1261] I haven't fought them guys and I feel like those are great fights for me to.

[1262] go out there and really excel, make some big money, and win, and really just shock the world.

[1263] Well, you've been killing it at featherweight.

[1264] And what do you walk around at?

[1265] What do you weigh?

[1266] Right now, I'm probably like 175, 177.

[1267] Damn.

[1268] I know.

[1269] I just ran an hour yesterday.

[1270] You got to lose 30 pounds?

[1271] You get around for.

[1272] Holy shit.

[1273] Dude, you know what's funny, man, is I do all this work.

[1274] I get down and then, like, you know, they give me this time off.

[1275] I go home.

[1276] I eat a little bit of food.

[1277] And when I'm, when I'm at home, like, training, that's the worst.

[1278] Like, if I'm traveling, like, I'm actually all right, because I'm not eating everything.

[1279] But when I get home, and my Mexican Mamasita is right there just cooking me all the good foods, bro.

[1280] I'm just grubbing down.

[1281] And then I'm like, all right, cool.

[1282] You know, no one's, I'm just training, doing my thing, and then, you know.

[1283] What kind of diet do you follow?

[1284] Do you have a nutritionist or anything?

[1285] Yeah, George Lockhart, Fitness V. Oh, you have George.

[1286] Yeah, I feel he's just brilliant.

[1287] I've been working with him for.

[1288] He's a guy that doesn't get enough credit, you know?

[1289] He doesn't.

[1290] He's worked with a lot of athletes and a lot of fighters and done a fantastic job.

[1291] He's really good.

[1292] And military, too.

[1293] And he knows what he's doing, man. he doesn't charge me $10 ,000 a camp so I think he's great I've been working with him since beginning I've preached this guy and he's amazing man he's he's really actually had him a lot in my corner and him coming to the last fight seeing me work out and he's just like man dude he's like you're on your stuff dude and everything that he gives me the diet and I just I feel good man I feel good at featherweight so when you work with a guy like George Lockhart what is like what's the protocol like how has he set up your camp like it's all it's all computerized I can basically just go in the computer, type in my weight, the times that I'm training, the hours that I'm training to, the intensity, and then I type in my weight.

[1294] I wake up in the morning, weigh myself, and then I type that into the computer, and then the computer just goes off of day -to -day basics.

[1295] Like, say, if I don't have kefir, I can substitute for egg whites, and it's all computerized.

[1296] If I need any help or I'm like, hey, I'm not doing this, he'll adjust a little bit of things for me. It's basically right there on the computer.

[1297] Do you get blood work done where you find your nutrient levels or find what you need or what you need to supplement with?

[1298] I have a long time ago and I haven't done that recently but you know it's nutritionist like George Lockhart I feel great I honestly I feel amazing when I'm feeling good and I'm in that right mindset and training hard I feel good but no I haven't gotten the the blood work done a while but I did do that so it's interesting it's all computerized so you you write your weight you type your weight in and you type like what you like say if you got a strength and conditioning day and he adjusts your caloric intake accordingly yep calorie intake You know, it depends on what you're doing.

[1299] And it's a program that does all this?

[1300] Yeah, he has it all program.

[1301] Wow.

[1302] I'm not for sure the exact details how he does that.

[1303] You know, that's his thing and why he makes his money.

[1304] So does it show you immediately or do you send him the information, then he sends it back to you?

[1305] Immediately.

[1306] I just click it in.

[1307] And then it shows you.

[1308] Yep, it shows me right there.

[1309] And then by like Saturday or Sunday, it adjust for like the work week so they can see how much how much I'm losing if I need to lower the calorie intake or if like maybe like I'm feeling kind of lethargic in my week.

[1310] weight's good.

[1311] He'll up a little bit of carbs for me. You know, if I call him like, hey, man, you know, I've been doing good.

[1312] I've been killing it this week.

[1313] But, you know, I'm just, my weights down.

[1314] He's like, oh, wait, it's good.

[1315] Okay, let's get a little bit more half of a sweet potato or a little bit more oatmeal before practice or something like that.

[1316] So he's, he's very smart, man. He's very real calculated in his approach.

[1317] And it's, it's interesting to learn from.

[1318] And the nutrition and everything that I get, all natural, all natural.

[1319] What's George's background?

[1320] He's a military guy.

[1321] He actually used to be, he told me that he was actually a chunkier kid growing up and then he just got into diet and nutrition and losing weight and then he got into the military and helping out the military with nutrition.

[1322] That's interesting that he's devised computer program.

[1323] I haven't heard of anybody else that does that where you can enter in all the data and it gives you instant results.

[1324] Yeah, just check that out.

[1325] That is, that's very interesting.

[1326] I want to check out his stuff.

[1327] I'm going to go look at this after the fitnessvt .com and I've been trying to get people on this a long time ago.

[1328] like man it's simple it's easy to sign up what is v t stand for i'm not for sure fitness vt i'm not for sure with that okay um so when you uh when you work with him so like say if you start now and you're 177 pounds how much time do you need to get down to 145 and what do you weigh before you start the big cut before you dehydrate yourself uh i would only need nine weeks nine 10 weeks and i'll be ready to go and then you know the the the thing with now without the ivs is is I've been putting in a lot of road work, you know, on top of things.

[1329] I've just been putting in extra credit, the road work, the runs, the swims, the, the cycling.

[1330] You know, I'm into all that now as far as pushing cardio pace.

[1331] But, you know, a lot of people just, they work out, they work out, and then they just do these drastic weight cuts.

[1332] And I used to do these.

[1333] And, you know, I'd still feel fine, but I was cutting so much weight, man, and it really started to hurt.

[1334] I mean, I'm laying in my deathbed, and it was like a nasty baptism.

[1335] and uh and now now you know with the with these runs and burning fats i've learned how to stay smart and and learn like okay now you need three weeks hard and then like a week of recovery like on runs and and running like after say say we do like 75 minutes of just straight wrestling and then i'll go run another 45 to an hour just at a real low pace that i'm just burning fats burning calories and like throughout the week i'm burning like a like a pound and a half to two pounds per week just depending on my body fat and as Slowly I get down, I just keep niching, niche, and then come time to the weight cut, I'm only cutting, you know, 12 pounds.

[1336] You know, granted, I've cut a lot over the time, but I've burned a lot of body fat.

[1337] And then at that point, your body starts to just rejuvenate and you're recovering, and you're burning more than you're eating.

[1338] And then I'm dropping weight, it makes the weight cut a lot easier.

[1339] And then once I do the water loads and more towards the weight cut, it's just that much easier.

[1340] And it's a lot easier going in.

[1341] You know, I'm not like, man, man, I've got to cut another 15 pounds.

[1342] I'm already fucking dying, dude.

[1343] shit sucks dude well i'm looking at a guy like you you know if i if i didn't know any better like if i wasn't uh involved in the sport um and i saw a guy like you that's 177 is saying 175 whatever you're at and i and someone said you're going to fight at 145 i'd be like what like you're not he doesn't have any fat to lose like i'm looking at you like you don't have you're not fat at all at 175 i've always been solid i've never been like a real fluffed up or anything or you know i've always just been like one of those solid guys i've never You never seen me get tossed around or anything like that.

[1344] It's always just been solid.

[1345] Well, that's why it's crazy to think that you could even get down to $1 .45.

[1346] And I don't really lift a lot of weights.

[1347] I do a lot of more footwork, explosions with medicine balls and kettlebells and a lot of sprints.

[1348] You know, I focus cardio.

[1349] Cardio is king, man. It really is, right?

[1350] And it helps your mental out a lot and helps weight cuts a lot easier.

[1351] A lot of people don't do that.

[1352] They just train, train, train, kill themselves.

[1353] Excuse me. And then they go to cut all that weight.

[1354] they don't understand how does cardio help your your mental state the runs and the weight cuts yeah just like uh i don't know man you just go through breakthroughs like when you don't want to run and it's like you're tired after 75 minutes you're like man fuck dude i got to do this run but then when you do it and then you're like man i don't want to do it like you got 20 more minutes and you just like 20 more minutes and i'm okay i'm gonna pick up the pace a little bit or i'm gonna keep going through sometimes you'll just kind of get ran down ran down and then like all of a sudden like you'll hit that that final run or or next run and then boom you have a breakthrough next thing you You know, next week, you're recovering a little bit faster.

[1355] You notice that the fresh guys that are coming in, they're getting more tired than you in just one round.

[1356] And you start having these little mental breakthroughs and these little psychological steps.

[1357] You ever read The Art of War?

[1358] It's just like little moves like that that you can kind of see that are approaching your game.

[1359] And it's just the psychological effect that, like, hey, man, I've done this cardio and then I ran for this amount.

[1360] I mean, the last camp I ran to Brazil and back, basically.

[1361] It's how much I ran, so I was like, dude, there's no way that this guy's going to push a pace that I can't handle, you know?

[1362] And it's just these mental breakthroughs that the runs really help.

[1363] That's interesting.

[1364] So what kind of strength and conditioning, like what kind of cardio do you do outside of running?

[1365] Sprints.

[1366] A lot of sprints.

[1367] But that's running too, right?

[1368] You heard, like, Dominic Cruz.

[1369] I mean, that guy just moves, moves, moves, moves, moves.

[1370] Yeah, sprints, that's just part of running.

[1371] And then, you know, just strength conditioning.

[1372] mixing in sprints with a lot of explosive movements, a lot of footwork, lateral drills.

[1373] What's his name again?

[1374] Nadi Aguilar does?

[1375] I mean, I work with George Castro now at Alliance in May. He's been with me for a while, and he's a guy that really, he's like my big brother.

[1376] When I don't want to do shit and he's like, no, like we're going to get this done.

[1377] He's that little voice that's like, yeah, you can, but it's real voice.

[1378] He's that dude who can turn it all the way up, somebody that can really push me. You know, some guys are just like, if this guy was over here, no offense, if he's like yelling, I'm going to be like, do these sprints.

[1379] I'm like, come on, bro.

[1380] But you've seen George Castro.

[1381] You looked him right in the eye.

[1382] Yeah, yeah.

[1383] He's offended.

[1384] And, you know, George Cowdy, he's just that guy.

[1385] He's like, my big brother, he's like, hey, let's get this done.

[1386] You know him really well.

[1387] You want to win?

[1388] He's like, do you want to win?

[1389] I'm like, yeah.

[1390] And he just, he just, I connect with him mentally.

[1391] It's like, I can, I can, I can feel, bro.

[1392] He's like, he's got a big heart.

[1393] He cares.

[1394] He generally is really pushing you to the top.

[1395] And, man, we've been dominant lately.

[1396] So when you're doing, you're doing sprints, and what are the kind of things you're doing, like, conditioning -wise?

[1397] We hit the track.

[1398] We hit the track usually about every Saturday.

[1399] You know, we're doing a lot of lateral drills.

[1400] We're doing 100 -yard sprints.

[1401] We're running around full -track sprint.

[1402] So a lot of his legs?

[1403] A lot of legs, cardio, man. Cardio is king.

[1404] A lot of running.

[1405] Do you do the aerodyne?

[1406] Are you doing anything with your arms?

[1407] Yep.

[1408] We do the aerodines.

[1409] We do, you know, lateral drills, explosive, medicine balls, throws, kettlebells.

[1410] What is that wheel with your hands that you do?

[1411] That's like a bike with your hands.

[1412] A lot of guys do.

[1413] Do you do that thing?

[1414] No, no. You know the thing I'm talking about?

[1415] Yeah, Brock Lesnar had that thing.

[1416] Yeah, I've never done that.

[1417] I just used the old school speed bag.

[1418] Oh, is that what you did?

[1419] Yeah.

[1420] That or just get my, Miguel Reyes, my boxing coach, he'll have you throwing like 5 ,000 punches in a round.

[1421] You know, that guy's the man. He's Mexican style.

[1422] He's from Tijuana.

[1423] You know, he's an old school tie boxer.

[1424] Yeah, it's isn't funny how many fucking badass fighters came out of Mexico It's kind of crazy when you really stop and think about it They live in a different world man You're talking about drug lords If you go down in their gym and they'll probably shoot you Like hey I want to challenge you See you And ain't nobody gonna care Or mention a damn thing or put it on camera Yeah You know so I mean that's a different world They live in down there Do you monitor your heart rate Yep yeah I sure do Yep I do the VO2 Max and all that I know what zones to kind of stay in when I'm like just kind of slowly doing my runs but then at the same time you can't be a pussy and manage your heart way you got to fucking get after it you know you got you got to break yourself dude I mean there's so many times that I wanted to quit and that I just felt like crying and it was just done I pushed myself but then boom I had those mental breakthroughs like you know what I fucking finished you dude I did it most people went home after after wrestling I mean there's times where I find myself in the gym still running like on the treadmill or running at the beach and no one's around no one i'll hit up some of my friends like uh no no you know i have like one guy come in you like run with me a few times but sometimes i find myself alone or my strength conditioning coach who'll put us through a workout and then i'll go run like another 45 75 or an hour and a half and i'll look to my left look to my right and no one's there just like my coach and i'll be like where they at george where they at like the ds you know because his name's george i'm like where they at george and he's like that's why you're fucking savage you that's where you're going to win and that's really what it comes down to but as far as the heart rate i get it I do it.

[1425] I follow that program, but then there's also a time to kill yourself on sprints.

[1426] You know, not like sparring.

[1427] I don't spar all the time.

[1428] I barely spar at all.

[1429] I spar probably once a week.

[1430] Right now, I haven't sparred since my fight.

[1431] I've done tie drills and drilling and wrestling and strain conditioning.

[1432] I've already been doing sprints and running.

[1433] I just ran an hour easily yesterday.

[1434] And I just don't spar, spar, spar, spar, spar, spar, spar, sparr.

[1435] That's smart.

[1436] Preserve.

[1437] Yeah.

[1438] I mean, you can only get hit so many times.

[1439] Well, already know, I'm tough.

[1440] I already know I can fight.

[1441] Right.

[1442] But, you know, when it comes time to end camp, you know, I do my sparring or, you know, probably by Friday, I'll spar two rounds, take a round off, spar around, be done.

[1443] You know, Alliance is one of the best gyms in the world, and Eric Del Fierro doesn't get enough credit.

[1444] He's one of those guys.

[1445] He's just a quiet guy, doesn't need a lot of attention.

[1446] I always put him in the category, like, Mark Henry's another one of those guys, doesn't get enough credit.

[1447] Just sort of, like, lays back is not like one of those guys that puts a lot of the spotlight on himself.

[1448] but he's done a phenomenal job that gym is amazing yeah so many great fighters come out of there as well we actually got dorms now so these young mexican fighters and people from all over are starting to come into the gym we have these little dorms right next to the gym that are open now that are available uh we got dominic cruz just won the title you got me winning you got phil davis winning he's about to fight for a title justin lawrence is back i mean ross pearson's there i mean he's fighting Jorge Masvedol coming up.

[1449] So all these guys were putting on good win streaks.

[1450] So Pearson's fight, is he fighting at 170?

[1451] Yeah, I think so.

[1452] So Ross is moving to 170?

[1453] No, I think he's just...

[1454] Because Masvedal is 170.

[1455] Yeah, yeah.

[1456] Unless Ross Fadol's going down to 55 again.

[1457] No, he's fine at 170.

[1458] Oh.

[1459] Yeah, because he just had that close fight with, you know, I think he maybe lost the first or two rounds.

[1460] And then at the end, you know, Ross was putting it on him.

[1461] I guess he just hit up Joe.

[1462] He was like, hey, I heard old boy backed out.

[1463] I'm ready to go.

[1464] weight's good and Joe's like yeah because Ross was fighting at 45 for a little bit tried 45 yeah god damn he was skinny he didn't like that yeah he didn't like that at all he's cutting a lot of weight and I don't know if he was doing it properly or whatnot but he just didn't like it and he likes fighting at 55 ross likes to lift and he's a big dude he's got some big legs on him he's a power guy and uh you know 45 stuff dude yeah I would imagine it's uh it takes everything I got but I kind of like putting it to that point where it's it's breaking the edge you know because there's a point where like I'm nice I'm fine you know like you fight you know the whole weighing thing we'll get into that a little bit later about how you can weigh in early and then you eat I kind of like that edge you know where I feel like I'm dying and then like I look that guy in the eye who's you know I think about who he could beat me or this and that you know I'm training for him the whole camp and I kind of like that that edge that switch of that that meanness you know like it's on motherfucker like I've been training a long time you know I've put everything into this and it really takes all I got 45 so I kind of like that switch for me and some people may be different you you like the fact that you know that he's got to go through that as well so I like the fact that I have to it takes everything I have in all the discipline and all hard training to make 145 pounds and once I'm there I feel mean I feel ferocious I feel mentally strong and it takes everything I got and I like doing that because I'm going to be at my best and I'm going to perform at my best when when it's like that It's a good mental switch for me to have.

[1465] I like that.

[1466] That's my style.

[1467] That's interesting.

[1468] You know, Connor McGregor's coach was talking about that he thinks that Connor not cutting weight was probably a bad thing for him.

[1469] And that, you know, fighting Diaz and just being able to eat whatever he wanted, not go through the grueling pattern that he's gone through all his other fights.

[1470] Yeah.

[1471] Look at his demeanor, though, at the Wayans.

[1472] Where at 45, he looks like a savage.

[1473] I mean, he looks like death like we all do.

[1474] But he looks like he's like, you know what?

[1475] I'm ready.

[1476] I'm ready to get after.

[1477] He looks mean.

[1478] When he came in and fought Diaz, he's, like, smiling and he's all happy, just like, oh.

[1479] Body fat, yeah.

[1480] You see his demeanor.

[1481] He's like, oh, you know, nothing's going on.

[1482] It's like, okay, now these guys that are weighing in, does that take away a little bit of the intensity?

[1483] You know, I was kind of asking Dominic that a little bit.

[1484] And he's just like, no, I'm still going to get after it.

[1485] You know, because I was like, man, if I go back and I already eat a steak and I come in, like, am I going to be that intense at the, at the weighing in?

[1486] Oh, you mean, what you're saying is because there's new way in, rules where you can weigh in way earlier.

[1487] So when they announce the weigh -ins now, like say if the fighters weigh in at 4 o 'clock, you've already weighed in.

[1488] You wait in at 10 o 'clock in the morning.

[1489] So you've already had a chance to rehydrate, get some food, and then you get back on this.

[1490] The good thing is everybody looks way healthier when they weigh in.

[1491] Because, man, like Connor is a perfect example.

[1492] Some guys would weigh in.

[1493] James Irvin was probably the worst ever.

[1494] James Irvin, when he would fight at 185, like Jesus Christ, he'd see him.

[1495] He was so drained.

[1496] Oh my God, man. He was so drained.

[1497] He looked crazy.

[1498] It looked like he was about to die.

[1499] Yeah.

[1500] The first time I made 45, I remember seeing you and Dana and you had like, Dana was like, you're right?

[1501] And I was like, yeah.

[1502] I'm right.

[1503] And that was the IV days, right?

[1504] Yeah.

[1505] How much of a difference is it using an IV and not using an IV?

[1506] I don't really feel a difference to be honest.

[1507] Really?

[1508] Yeah.

[1509] I mean, George Lockhart, you may be changing that for me because of his nutrition that he, that he's there.

[1510] His whole team's there.

[1511] just feed me coming in, knocking on my hotel room, and, like, eat this, do this at this times, and it just makes it easier.

[1512] And then, you know, they rehydrate me properly, and I believe in those guys in my team and the rehydration.

[1513] And I feel the same.

[1514] If not, I feel better.

[1515] So that's interesting.

[1516] You feel better.

[1517] Hmm.

[1518] Yeah, some guys have said that.

[1519] Like, Joe Silva was actually telling me that it's actually more effective to do it orally.

[1520] Orally, yep.

[1521] Yeah.

[1522] A lot of doctors said that.

[1523] One of my doctors, Brad Archer's back home, said that he gave me a lot of.

[1524] of tips, you know, because when this came in, I'm like, I'm freaking out.

[1525] I'm like, fuck, dude, they're taking me these ivies.

[1526] I might have to go back 55.

[1527] You know, I'm freaking out, you know, and they were sending me all this stuff, you know, and I read a lot about it because I was like, all right, well, do this.

[1528] And then I met Daryl Christian, one of my wrestling coaches, who's a phenom, Olympian, and he's just like, we got to put in this roadwork, dude.

[1529] He's like, we've got to start building you a cardio base.

[1530] He's like, you've always just killed yourself, killed yourself, and then had to kill yourself making weight.

[1531] He's like, you never build a cardio base.

[1532] You never had a solid foundation.

[1533] So then we're we started these heart rate monitors, V -O -2s, and putting in these run programs, putting in these different sprints.

[1534] But you were always in good shape.

[1535] Like, what do you mean by you didn't have a cardio base?

[1536] I was more or less just sprint.

[1537] It was just top -heavy.

[1538] I never really had a low intensity.

[1539] And what is it?

[1540] Like the V -O -2 max, the reason why people do that is because a lot of people wanted to know how they would build endurance.

[1541] And people think that you just need to sprint, sprint, sprint, sprint, sprint, and you're going to be in good shape.

[1542] Granted, you might be in good shape.

[1543] But none of them had a low -based cardio where they would just run at, like, say, like a 4 .8 or 5 .0 on a treadmill for a long period of time.

[1544] And that's actually how you build the anaerobic system a lot better is through low -based cardio.

[1545] It's not high -based.

[1546] Aerobic.

[1547] Yeah.

[1548] Aerobic system is like exploding.

[1549] Yeah.

[1550] They find that you can expand recovery and work harder in a lactic threshold by doing the low -based cardio.

[1551] Like Diaz does.

[1552] Yeah, it's just constant pressure because you got that guy who's going to sprint and he's going to head out and then like he's going to drop down in that round and the guy might be here.

[1553] But then he's going to sprint, but then he just can't, he's just going to slowly start to pull.

[1554] And that's how Diaz, he slowly just kind of just passes you.

[1555] The guy may sprint and be punching and punching him, but he just sticks, pop, pop, pop, pop.

[1556] Yeah, well, Diaz is hitting you with 50 % punches, but he's hitting you with 30 times more than you're throwing.

[1557] Constant, and then in the rounds, he's able to recover even better while you're already at lactic threshold.

[1558] then you try to fire up the heart rate again and it's like dude your body's like man it's just shot and they found out through those VO2s and those runs that the aerobic base is built more through low base cardio and that's what he's talking about building the base because you can't just build a house low pace cardio low base and you can't just build a house without a base and you need that base and that's what I really started learning and honestly I feel a lot more efficient I feel a lot more healthier and my cardio even a lot better in the fights I believe That's interesting.

[1559] So the long runs and the long cardio, it was sort of like a solid foundation and then sprints on top of that, explosion on top of that.

[1560] Got to do it all, man. Do you follow like a Tabata protocol or anything like that?

[1561] Do you know what that is?

[1562] No, what's Tabata?

[1563] Tabata is an endurance protocol that, I don't know why it's called Tabata, but I believe it's like 20 -second sprints followed by 10 seconds or.

[1564] rest and 20 seconds sprints.

[1565] There's some sort, my friend John Rollo told me about it and a lot of athletes apparently follow it.

[1566] Here it is.

[1567] What is Tabata?

[1568] Tabbata training is the most popular, one of the most popular forms of high intensity interval training consists of eight rounds of ultra high intensity exercises in a specific 20 seconds on, 10 seconds off interval.

[1569] So when it says eight rounds, so I guess eight 20 second sprints and eight 10 second rests.

[1570] I do a little bit of tabata training.

[1571] for sure.

[1572] I mean, we even go even doing 30 seconds, 45 seconds, and then, you know, eventually it peaks off in itself.

[1573] But yeah, for sure, 100 % be doing that as well.

[1574] And then low -based training.

[1575] That's interesting that you're a big proponent of that long, slow style, because that was one of the things that some people that weren't fighters, but were strength and conditioning people would say that that's not going to benefit you.

[1576] Yeah.

[1577] You know, they would say that's not what you need to do in a fight because a fight is, you know, explosion.

[1578] It's fast.

[1579] You don't have that slow running thing, but old school, like old school boxers, they all ran like that.

[1580] They all ran long miles.

[1581] Yeah.

[1582] And they ran slow.

[1583] Like, you ever see Mike Tyson in his early days?

[1584] Yep.

[1585] Just slowly run.

[1586] Yeah, he was in 4 a .m. Yeah, he was just run five miles.

[1587] So, I mean, five miles, you could probably get done within low, low pace, you know, 35, 45 minutes.

[1588] Mm -hmm.

[1589] You know, that's kind of interesting because my strength conditioning coach now, George Castro, he used to work out with Don Fry.

[1590] And he'd just be like, he'd be like, man, one day I was stretching.

[1591] And then Don's like, what the fuck you do?

[1592] get to gloves on get the ring and he was like take off your shirt let's do this you know and then like they just go but there was no there was no structure to it but now you know we're meeting these coaches and the the scientists and behind it you know and uh you know my olympian coach darrell christian he's just like dude he's like you cannot build high base cardio by sprint sprint sprint killing yourself he's like we got to build this low base and he's also a spinal surgeon you know he's also been in the game for a long time and he's like that's how all these fighters and top -notch guys would stay in shape all year round It was drilling, drilling, drilling, drilling, and he's like, we would just do long runs.

[1593] Anytime we get a break, we had to be doing long runs, like, every other day.

[1594] And he's like, that's where we were able to make weight, stay on task, and be in shape all the time.

[1595] Well, it totally makes sense, man. And it really makes sense when you talk about the Diaz brothers.

[1596] You know, I was saying Diaz, but really both Diaz brothers.

[1597] Nate is a little different than Nick, because Nate will explode more than Nick.

[1598] Nate is like a little more firepower when he goes after dudes.

[1599] but both those guys are known for doing triathlons and you know nick even more so than and you know what they smoke weed too yeah and then they and then they go out and then they'll just run forever yeah and that that's okay you know you're just building that base building that cardio and they just and they have those mental breakthroughs like dude i ran three hours after practice like what the fuck are you going to do to me right i'm gonna keep pacing on you and you'll see it i i can break people in the gym by constant pressure, pace, and then, like, I can recover within 20, 30 seconds why they're like, you know, and their body's just breaking down, and, you know, and it truly does work, and it's just a simple science.

[1600] Isn't it funny because the glamour stuff is explosions, right?

[1601] The glamour stuff is cleans and snatches.

[1602] Let this tire.

[1603] Throwing fucking tires around a parking lot and sledgehammer in a tire.

[1604] There's on it kettlebells that look like they're 10 pounds that way, like 100?

[1605] Well, have you ever done the Keith Webber Extreme kettlebell cardio workout?

[1606] No. Dude.

[1607] Is that on the fucker?

[1608] Yeah, what's crazy about it is it's 40, it's, he'll, you do it with a 35 pound kettlebell.

[1609] And like, bitch ass, 35 pound kettlebell.

[1610] What the fuck's not going to do?

[1611] Yep.

[1612] It seems like nothing.

[1613] It's not like glamorous.

[1614] Because it's light.

[1615] But man, it breaks you.

[1616] Keith Weber.

[1617] Yeah.

[1618] We have it.

[1619] I'll have on it send you one, man. All right.

[1620] I think there's one, two, and I think he has a three.

[1621] out now but damn he's a stud I've had that guy in here too he's a fucking master when it comes to these these workouts and it's the same thing it's 45 minutes man yeah and it's just breaks you down I do it and when I start out like for the first 20 seconds I'm like how am I even going to get tired doing this yeah yeah two minutes later I'm like oh my god I got to do 38 more minutes of this yeah yeah the fuck I'm going to do this yeah it's the glamorous shit is like explosions right The glamour shit is ridiculous Hit in the back Yeah, yeah, yeah But is that slow?

[1622] It's more fun to do anyway Is this it?

[1623] Aubrey doing it It's not a video See, it seems like It seems like not that big a deal Right?

[1624] Like what are you doing?

[1625] You get this little bitch -ass weight You only doing 35 pounds But Long periods of time Doing just Difficult shit like this And it's constantly moving and squatting and throwing it around.

[1626] I think there's something real to running, man. I think running is something, there's something about long, slow running.

[1627] It's the mental.

[1628] Mm -hmm.

[1629] I think it is that too.

[1630] Challenge anybody go out on a run and don't take your phone.

[1631] Just go out on a run where you have to run like, say you run two, two and a half miles.

[1632] You don't listen to music?

[1633] And you have to go back.

[1634] I do.

[1635] But a lot of people, they just, they'll run like 15 minutes and like they're done.

[1636] When you say don't take your phone, well, do you really try to challenge yourself.

[1637] Like one time, just, you know, Because sometimes I listen to music and sometimes I just like to listen to my thoughts.

[1638] Like, what am I thinking right now?

[1639] What are my thoughts?

[1640] What are my thoughts bringing me?

[1641] And it's hard, dude.

[1642] It's mentally, you'll find out it's more mentally than anything than the physical.

[1643] Do you get addicted to that runner's high?

[1644] Yeah, I do.

[1645] You know, sex is better, dude.

[1646] You know, sex sleep.

[1647] Sex is better sleep.

[1648] Yeah, yeah, dude.

[1649] Especially when you do an incline sprints, I just feel like your testosterone's a little boosted up.

[1650] Oh, my girl appreciates a good sprint.

[1651] Holla.

[1652] Anytime you're doing, like, real intense stuff, like high -intensity things like sprinting, they say it's really good for your testosterone.

[1653] Yeah, and natural.

[1654] Hill sprints in particular, right?

[1655] Yep.

[1656] Hill sprints or inclines, treadmills, you know, even working with kettlebells.

[1657] You ever hit, like, a good kettlebell session, and you're just like, man, I feel freaking good.

[1658] You know, like your testosterone's moving.

[1659] You just feel, you know, a lot more besey.

[1660] Yeah, it's interesting.

[1661] how high intensity stuff does that it like spikes your endocrine system yeah i love that i like that feel man it's it's a natural good feeling that i have i'm 30 years old and never injected anything in my life and uh i like i like that high and the the mental aspect of it and that's kind of interesting too because people who do take steroids just like man now that that that little that little edge that they got that little high that they were getting and they're just like yeah i'm killing it but then when they stop doing that mentally they get fucked dude and they're like dude like man am i still the same guy my body looks different i never really put in the work well dan gable used to say that you know and then like what you think about like you're like man is that their mental's got to be broken you know like what what the hell do you ever see dan gable uh or hear him talk about that when he was competing against the russians back during the doping days where the russians he knew they were all on steroids but his philosophy was they just got banned from the olympics too they didn't actually they changed it they were about to get banned totally but they pulled back and they got a real problem with brazil Do you hear those Australian people who're staying in the Olympic Village You're like this fucking place The toilets are all backed up There's electrical wires hanging out of the fucking walls It's not safe And what's over the Dan Gable thing though Because that guy's interested to do it Dan Gable was a fucking animal Right one of the best wrestlers ever Dan said that when he was competing That he felt like It didn't matter if those guys did steroids Because they didn't do the work So they knew that they didn't do the work So in their head If one thing went wrong they would unfold and fall apart, and he would break them.

[1662] He felt like he had a mental advantage over guys that did steroids, the guys that cheated, that they were not going to be able to beat him.

[1663] It didn't matter.

[1664] And he was right.

[1665] I mean, he beat everybody.

[1666] No, I believe that.

[1667] Like I said, when you're doing these runs and these mental breakthroughs and you're really putting in the work, and then what's all said and done, and then you're peeking and everything kind of wears off and everything's just flowing, right?

[1668] It's like, you just look in the mirror and you're like, look at that guy, and you're just like, dude, there's nothing.

[1669] that you can do that's going to break me. I've already been broken down many of times.

[1670] The same thing the Army does.

[1671] They break you down to build you up.

[1672] And then when you're in that complete, when you've pushed yourself passion limits and you've had those mental breakthroughs of where you've thought about quitting, but then you kept going and then you did it again and again and again and you keep pushing.

[1673] Like your boy did the 100 miles.

[1674] Now he's going to do 200.

[1675] You know, just mentally he has an advantage over a lot of people.

[1676] You get comfortable in that horrible state.

[1677] Yeah, being uncomfortable.

[1678] Uncomfortable.

[1679] Yeah.

[1680] Yeah, Dan Gable, though, there's a cautionary tale on that as well because Dan Gable's had like two hip replacements, knee replacements.

[1681] Like his body broke.

[1682] He's so tough.

[1683] He broke his body.

[1684] Yep.

[1685] And that's a, that is, you know, I've always wondered about guys like maybe Kane Velasquez or these guys that are constantly getting injured.

[1686] Like, they're almost too tough.

[1687] Yep.

[1688] Maybe they're not training right.

[1689] You know, you've got to stay up on rehab.

[1690] As much as you're training, man, I'm at home.

[1691] You know, everybody's talking about Netflix and chill.

[1692] When I go home, I'm on a, I'm on a lacrosse.

[1693] cross ball.

[1694] I'm on a foam roller.

[1695] I got a bow staff stick that I had tipped, you know, getting into my neck, getting into the, like a bow staff?

[1696] A boss staff?

[1697] Yeah, and I had my...

[1698] You mean like a like a, like, like, guys like hit each other with?

[1699] Yeah, yeah, and I had it like tipped out so that like I can like dig into my neck my pecks, I can put it in the wall so it has like a point at the top.

[1700] You know, like that shaved down like a pencil?

[1701] Yeah, pretty much.

[1702] So you're jabbing yourself with a fucking vampire steak?

[1703] Yep, right into all my muscles that are sore and it...

[1704] And you do it yourself?

[1705] Yeah, myal fascia release.

[1706] Oh, wow.

[1707] And you just stick it in your neck?

[1708] Yep, neck, pecks, sub -scaf.

[1709] You know, I get in my, you know, breaking up my abdominals.

[1710] Wow.

[1711] I get into my calves, you know, when I'm at home, you know, because I get, like, rehab from my therapist, like, once a week when I'm in camp.

[1712] But on the outside, like, I'm constantly maintenance in my body, the injuries, you know, when I'm throwing those bombs of right hands and stuff, I'm like, man, I'm freaking sore.

[1713] My neck's jacked.

[1714] Have you ever used one of these things, man?

[1715] this is uh oh yeah one of those uh i got one of supernovas that's i like that one but i like the big one even better yep the wad uh supernova from uh rogue fitness they have those i live by that big one man i like the little one but honestly these are more pinpoint the big ones will break up like the the bigger areas and it's good but then once you break that down you want to get even more pinpoint yeah and lacrosse ball you can use a lacrosse ball is just as good yeah in a lot of ways that one's got a little bit more texture to it so some people like that but yeah this is this is legit right here rogue yeah so when rogue fitness they got a lot of great shit man i have um one of those uh reverse hyper machines from them too in the back you ever use that reverse hyper yeah hyper they like vibrates or whatever no no no reverse hyper is uh it's a it's a it's a decompression machine oh you uh it's a you lift with it it's uh louis simmons from west side barbell invented it and what it is is you uh here you show it right here it's like you you go it pulls you down show them in a video if you can you you lean your body over this platform and then when um you let the weight down it actually it's like a um an active decompression for your back that's louis simmons he's uh pretty pretty much a legendary power lifter guy but also super smart dude and so like when she's lifting it it up there when it's going down it's decompressing her spine so it's it's strengthening it on the up but on the down it's pulling it apart it's so because the the distance that the weight travels underneath you it acts for an active decompression of the back it's phenomenal man i was having some back issues and that thing helped me a lot yep do you do um any yoga or anything like that yeah i do hot yoga you know when i'm in camp uh every friday i like at 4 30 i I go and do a hot yoga, and I do an hour and a half.

[1716] And that in itself is a mental thing you got to get through.

[1717] Because I look over, I'm like, damn, it's got to be like an hour.

[1718] How much we have half hour?

[1719] I look over, we're in there 10 minutes.

[1720] And I'm like, you know, then I look over.

[1721] I'm like, man, this old guy's doing it.

[1722] I can do it, right?

[1723] Yeah.

[1724] You know, my girl's in there.

[1725] You know, I got to be the man. So I'm like, you know, I got to step up.

[1726] And to get through the damn things, dude, it's intense.

[1727] I do that twice a week.

[1728] And I've done it.

[1729] It's phenomenal.

[1730] I'm going on my back and just like focus on breathing because I'm like, I'm going to pass out.

[1731] You know, and you're already cutting weight and got a full week of training.

[1732] You're probably dehydrated too when you're in there, right?

[1733] I always try to drink a lot of water.

[1734] I mean, I'm drinking water constantly.

[1735] I try to get over a gallon a day.

[1736] I got an alkaline machine.

[1737] Alkaline machine.

[1738] Yeah.

[1739] What is that?

[1740] It keeps your body in higher alkaline, which your body naturally is like a five or whatever.

[1741] They say to be over a five or better because your cancer cannot survive in a higher alkaline.

[1742] like homostasis type stuff.

[1743] Like if your body's like broken down, that's how you're able to get sick is if your immune system is broken down.

[1744] Well, this actually helps with faster rehydration, recovery, and keeps your body in a higher alkalized state.

[1745] See, I've heard that's bullshit.

[1746] I've heard that's, yeah, I don't know.

[1747] Jamie, look that up.

[1748] Because I've heard that you really can't change the alkaline state of your body or of your blood.

[1749] I don't know if that's...

[1750] There's things that you can do.

[1751] I mean, wheatgrass keeps you in higher alkaline.

[1752] and I mean I but is it your blood that's more alkaline like what it what is getting more alkaline your blood yeah I don't know if that's true but what about the honest supplements that say that uh you know they're from higher uh higher altitude and that they're getting it from these grass no that's cordyceps mushrooms that's difference cordyceps mushroom is a mushroom that aids in oxygen utilization that doesn't have anything to do with see what what people do um there there's like a lot to talk about alkaline, like making your blood alkaline and how it changes.

[1753] But I remember reading something that that's horseshit.

[1754] But first of all, what you're doing is all healthy.

[1755] Like if you're telling me you're taking wheatgrass juice, you're getting phytonutrients, you're getting all sorts of minerals, you're getting healthy vitamins for sure.

[1756] It's definitely really good for you.

[1757] So, I mean, wheatgrass juice is phenomenal.

[1758] I mean, I try to keep my body in that state and I'm always drinking that water.

[1759] But do you test your blood?

[1760] I mean, how do you know that you're in it?

[1761] alkaline state.

[1762] Are you testing yourself?

[1763] Oh, I have tested, I've tested the water of like taking strips and tested it out, but no, I haven't tested my blood to see if I am.

[1764] The only time I've done that was with, when I took like the piss test, test my rehydration and stuff.

[1765] The guy, he'll even let you, like, looking in the scope, the Usada guy, you know, he comes in, he's like, hurry, pull your pants down, start peeing.

[1766] And then he'll put it in there.

[1767] And the guy, he was like, the last time I did it, he's like, look at the light, see that.

[1768] And like, I was pretty high.

[1769] And he's like, this is good.

[1770] He's like, that means you're really hydrated.

[1771] He's like, that's really good.

[1772] Well, it's definitely good to be hydrated.

[1773] Drinking a lot of water, especially when you're training as much as you are.

[1774] It's very, very, very important.

[1775] They say that just a small percentage of dehydration has a big impact on athletic performance.

[1776] Yeah, 30%.

[1777] Really?

[1778] To be a little bit dehydrated, will decrease it by 30%.

[1779] Totally.

[1780] These are little facts, too, that I've learned in the fitness VT Lockhart.

[1781] You know, the sumer wrestlers, don't only eat twice a day but they're eating only twice a day their body conserves a lot more because they're like oh this is the only food that we're going to get and they hold on to it as compared if like we eat 45ers we eat like five six times a day so our body's constantly pushing it out like oh we're going to get more we get more right and with just like water water water's like gas the more you put in the more you're going to burn off right that's a that's a counterintuitive thing that uh you hear about guys cutting weight they drink a ton of water before they have to dehydrate themselves so your body's used to expending that water it doesn't try to hold onto it is that the idea behind it yep yeah just keeps it's like oh we're going to get more and more so it'll just keep it expending out pushing out pushing out do you fuck around with um distilled water no i haven't a long time i haven't i heard that's kind of dangerous that's not good for your body right uh because your body can actually it strips you of minerals because you're yep you your water supposed to be attached to all these minerals and when you're just drinking only distilled water your body kind of freaks out yep that can be dangerous too much of that.

[1782] And I've heard of people kind of like convulsing.

[1783] I think I sent somebody from the Ultimate Fighter Show one time like water load and then fell asleep and then he was like grrr.

[1784] You know that'd probably freak me out a little bit but what's fucked up is if you could drink too much water you can die.

[1785] Yeah.

[1786] I remember I was in Sacramento I think and there was a maybe with San Jose I don't remember but it was a local radio show had a contest to drink the most water to win a PlayStation and this lady drank so much water, she died.

[1787] Yeah.

[1788] I was like, I didn't know you could fucking die from water.

[1789] Yeah, yeah.

[1790] Apparently like frats, like people like pledging for frats, people have died from it too.

[1791] Yeah, yeah, were they hazing type stuff?

[1792] Yeah, yeah, exactly.

[1793] That's crazy, man. You find anything about alkaline?

[1794] I found a website talking about it.

[1795] I don't know if this is how legit.

[1796] It's a precise nutrition .com.

[1797] It just talks about the claims of alkaline water and it really says there's no legit studies that even say that it'll do anything to you.

[1798] Or that you can even make it change to an alkaline state.

[1799] Yeah, see, that's what I've seen, that the variables, the variation is so small that it's, like, you're not going to get that from, like, water.

[1800] I've tested the water before.

[1801] I've never tested my own blood.

[1802] You know, I've only seen that I was rehydrated at a high alkaline.

[1803] I mean, there might be some sort of benefits to it anyway, even if you can't, like, change the actual state of your blood.

[1804] I mean, there's some sort of benefit for it.

[1805] biologically.

[1806] Maybe ask George.

[1807] Maybe he would know.

[1808] He'd probably know more than we would.

[1809] The only thing it does say that might be why it's kidney patients should avoid alkaline water, which is why athletes and exercises are one subgroup who might benefit from drinking it.

[1810] I don't know what that statement really means, but...

[1811] I don't know.

[1812] It doesn't make sense to me. That's the only thing that really adds in there.

[1813] Do you ever fuck around with cryotherapy?

[1814] Oh, I've done it.

[1815] Yeah, I don't really find the difference.

[1816] I find more or less mild fashion having somebody dig in with like an elbow or something.

[1817] a lot more beneficial.

[1818] I've done cryotherapy.

[1819] What about both?

[1820] I mean, I don't think they're mutually exclusive.

[1821] Anything that you can do for rehab.

[1822] I mean, I've done the float tanks and stuff like that.

[1823] It's time to where I can get my mind at ease and it's pitch black.

[1824] I don't have my kids running around.

[1825] You know, asking for juice and take me here, take me there, you know, any of that so it's good.

[1826] I mean, any type of recovery that you can do, I mean, if you're a high -level athlete and you're out there just banging on your body, I mean, any mild fast release, cryotherapy, float, you know, any type of meditation, Floats phenomenal for magnesium too Because that like Epsom salts baths Even though the floating is great Because your body absorbs magnesium But float tanks is filled with Epsom salts You get a lot of magnesium from that way And you're able to relax too Yeah oh yeah And you just kind of calm down In a crazy way because it's like zero gravity Like you feel everything sort of stretching out And unwinding Yeah you got one of those in your house right?

[1827] Yeah my basement Dude that's awesome dude Right?

[1828] It's pretty dope Yeah Taking edibles and just getting in the zone huh People come over and they go, what the fuck is that?

[1829] It looks like I got a big meat locker down on my base.

[1830] Yeah, what the hell are you doing, man?

[1831] Come on in, man. Let me show you some shit.

[1832] Like, you got hookers in there?

[1833] What do you got?

[1834] Dead people.

[1835] But it's, there's a bunch of different things that people have shown that have some sort of benefit.

[1836] And it's about finding, like, I guess, wit really jives with you, right?

[1837] Yeah, for sure.

[1838] I mean, look at a guy like Dana White, just traveling all the time.

[1839] You know, I mean, how do you stay healthy all the time?

[1840] You know, like traveling.

[1841] You know, you got to take vice.

[1842] vitamins with you for sure.

[1843] I take probiotics as well.

[1844] You know, I do, that's a big thing.

[1845] On it has this thing, total gut health.

[1846] That's huge.

[1847] Yeah, the chlorrella or whatever.

[1848] Well, total gut health is a combination of probiotics and a bunch of other stuff that's in there that, well, pull it up.

[1849] Pull up on it total gut health so you could see what all the different ingredients are.

[1850] But I'm a big believer in probiotics.

[1851] I eat a lot of kimchi.

[1852] I eat different sorts of sourcrow, organic sourcrow, natural sourcrow I think fermented foods and kiefer, you were talking about kiefer earlier I drink that stuff too so all the different stuff that's in there it's hard for me to read that Jamie probiotics like kombucha oh yeah I love that shit I drink that every day dude I need a sponsorship of kombucha dude i know right a lot of money on g t's kombucha hala at jeremy stevens acidophilus is in there it's also the um the good thing about these is they're in little packets so you could take them with you and uh the actual live culture that's in him lives off the substrate that's in the packets so it's uh it's actually a little ecosystem here just i love on it man i just gave uh my buddy some of mine and uh we were doing these runs the day and he's just like, man, I've been getting these dreams now.

[1853] I can remember my dreams.

[1854] He's like, I'm sleeping better.

[1855] He's like, I feel so good.

[1856] You know, he's always like, Killing.

[1857] Yeah, I think it's coline.

[1858] And it's also, I think that is also triptophan.

[1859] Triptophan, which produces, it's the building blocks are serotonin.

[1860] Triptophan, which your body converts to 5HTP and 5HTP, your body converts to serotonin.

[1861] That's big for dreams.

[1862] Yeah, and you wake up a lot happier.

[1863] Yeah.

[1864] motivated.

[1865] Well, a lot of people that are into lucid dreaming, they take that shit.

[1866] They'll take like, uh, triptophan or 5HTP or alpha brain, which contains coline.

[1867] They'll take these different neutropics before they go to sleep on purpose so that they could have trippy dreams.

[1868] I did that the other day, dude, and here's a weird thing.

[1869] I'm actually a big dreamer and I get into these dreams and I kind of figure out like what they're about and I had two teeth fall out.

[1870] And, uh, one of them you're, you know, the thing that they say is money is coming and death.

[1871] Whoa.

[1872] And I just had my bonus banged in my bank account and then my grandma right now is at the hospice i just found out today i actually got to fly out tonight to get there early in the morning to see her and i'm like dude the two teeth money and then now my grandma's sick so oh dreams dude that's crazy you ever you ever done dreams because i think last time i was talking about the show where i knew i was flying i could just that's a common one yeah and it's real it means like you're in you're in control of your life there's there's good power good energy that you're in good uh like you're in a good energy in your life man that's pretty sweet well you can definitely adjust the way you approach certain situations right you could look at things in a positive way or we all know people that look at things like oh the world's fucking closing in on me and you're like whoa whoa whoa you live in america you're not in Ethiopia you have both your feet you're not paralyzed you don't have malaria what the fuck are you complaining about yeah exactly like it's it's a perspective issue with a lot of people, but the way you approach different scenarios in your life has a huge impact on how you feel.

[1873] And as an athlete, especially I would imagine as a fighter, it's very important to maintain a healthy mindset and to keep your stress levels at a very low level while you're training and while you're going through camp.

[1874] And like the last, like we've all seen fighters that go through camps and they have fucking crazy relationship problems at the same time.

[1875] And it fucks them up, man. Right?

[1876] You're laughing, right?

[1877] Yeah, yeah, no, because, I mean, dude, my, like, I get hungry, you know, I'm getting angry.

[1878] You know, my girls are just like, all right, you got to stay away from him.

[1879] You know, just give them some food.

[1880] But that's reasonable, right?

[1881] And that's just crankiness from cutting weight.

[1882] But, like, crazy people in your life.

[1883] Like, if you're dating some crazy girl, or if you're a girl and you're dating a crazy guy.

[1884] Yeah.

[1885] And they, like, a lot of people, if they're not getting enough attention from you, they start drama.

[1886] They cause issues.

[1887] Like, if you're focusing too much on other things, they get upset at you and you're like okay cut those people off a long time ago joe yeah yeah very important right yeah yeah yeah i gotta ask you man what do you think about what do you think about god what is your theory on that you believe you believe in god do you know him no i don't i don't know i mean he's the omnipresent he's like everything i am i definitely uh am open to all sorts of possibilities post life i don't think that i have any sort of lock on what happens that i haven't experienced so for me to say that there's no god or that there isn't some omnipresent entity or energy or something that is the guiding force of the universe that would be ridiculous what do i know i mean i think human beings we are in some sort of strange state of development where we're aware of our own existence we're aware of life we're aware of certain rules the universe seems to follow where the universe seems to be Everything seems to be constantly in motion and changing, you know, whether it is the orbit of planets, whether it is the biological life on planets, whether it's the life of stars.

[1888] Things have a life, and they come and they go, and then even galaxies themselves, every galaxy, in the center of every galaxy is a supermassive black hole that's one half of one percent of the entire mass of the galaxy.

[1889] And that supermassive black hole is sucking that galaxy into its fucking center, into the event horizon.

[1890] When you see these spiral galaxies, at the center of those spiral galaxies is a black hole that's absorbing all the matter, slowly but surely, of that galaxy.

[1891] And no one knows what is going on in that black hole.

[1892] They don't understand what it is.

[1893] They have theories, but one of the theories of black holes is that inside every black hole, is potentially a whole other universe.

[1894] So there's hundreds of billions of galaxies.

[1895] Each galaxy has a supermassive black hole in the center of it.

[1896] And inside each one of those galaxies may be hundreds of millions of other galaxies, hundreds of millions of other universes.

[1897] So the idea that anybody could sit here and tell you, there's no God, man. I know there's no God.

[1898] I think it's incredibly arrogant when people say there is no God.

[1899] What I think is that religion clearly shows the hand of man. It clearly shows the manipulation of other human beings where they have taken some universal rules.

[1900] Like there are some universal golden rules.

[1901] Treat others the way you would like to be treated.

[1902] Understanding that loving each other, brothers and sisters and friends and community has massive benefits and you feel connected to each other.

[1903] And it is the right way to be.

[1904] There's a benefit to that.

[1905] feel it we know it the love that you have for your children like i know the love that i have for my children or the love that i have for my wife or my friends or you know people that are close to me when i see there's there's there's there's a beauty in that that is it's magical yeah and i don't know if that beauty and that magic is to in it's to enforce a sense of community so that we can continue to breed so that we're rewarded uh these natural reward systems so that we can continue to foster life and that we can continue to evolve and grow.

[1906] I don't know.

[1907] I don't know what it is, but I know that the best things in life are, they're connected to love.

[1908] And I would think that if there's any guiding force, any beautiful force of the universe, it is that love.

[1909] And even the love of the beauty of the universe itself, there's love that I get when, like, last night, I went out on my porch and I smoked a little dup, and I looked up at the stars, and I fell in love with the stars, man. And I feel love when I look out into the universe.

[1910] I mean, I think it's one of my favorite things to do is look at stars.

[1911] Just look up and go, fuck.

[1912] Dude, I'm the big same way.

[1913] That's funny.

[1914] I'm always looking up at the moon.

[1915] Like, man, it's full moon tonight.

[1916] Look, the stars.

[1917] You hear of the crazy thing floating in the sky.

[1918] One quarter of the size of the earth.

[1919] And it's just floating up there.

[1920] Especially when you're out in the middle of nowhere.

[1921] Like, I'd sound in the woods.

[1922] You'd look up and just pure dark.

[1923] Oh, man. Look at that, dude.

[1924] Man. That's sick.

[1925] When I was a kid, I went, I was in camp once, a Boy Scout camp in New Hampshire.

[1926] I was living in Boston?

[1927] Yeah.

[1928] For a little while to these fucking kids.

[1929] I went to Boy Scout camp with criminals, man. These fucking kids.

[1930] I lived in Jamaica Plain, which is kind of a sketchy.

[1931] It's gentrified now, but in the late 1970s, it was kind of sketchy.

[1932] Where's it at?

[1933] Jamaica Plains is a suburb of Boston.

[1934] Oh, Boston.

[1935] And it was just not a good neighborhood.

[1936] We didn't have any money.

[1937] But the kids that I went to Boy Scout camp with, They would, like, take other kids and fucking tie them up and leave them in the woods and shit.

[1938] It was, like, it was so sketchy.

[1939] But they gave us rifles, too, man. We have 22s and bows and arrows.

[1940] So we're out there, and it was not that organized.

[1941] It was weird.

[1942] I remember I was out there, we were doing something, and I heard, and I go, what is that?

[1943] And the guy goes, oh, I was a ricochet.

[1944] I go, a ricochet, like, as in a bullet.

[1945] Like, yeah, someone hit a rock, and it ricocheted.

[1946] I'm like, I'm out.

[1947] I'm like fuck this And I just From the rest of the time I was there for two weeks I just went fishing I just abandoned everybody I went fishing They didn't even know I was gone Like I could have drowned out there No one cared But I remember Going outside And for the first time In my life Being in a place Where there was no lights There was no city There was nothing We're just in the woods And you look up And just be like Fuck Yeah Like look at all those stars Like those are out there All the time How come I don't see them all the time?

[1948] time yeah no i mean kids these days probably don't even see them at all the iPads or anything that's going on have you been to i know they don't even bother have you been to uh the big island nope dude there's um there's an observatory at the top of uh mona is it monoloa the um the keck observatory in the big island and the way the big island is set up they have special diffused lighting so that the street lights don't provide um light pollution yeah so you could see everything and you go through the clouds and dude it looks like that oh when you when you're up there i think it's like i want to say like 13 000 feet above uh sea level but when you look up at the sky dude you see the milky way like the full milky way it's incredible like see if you can find it just go do google images of from the kek observatory because it maybe that's a good one yeah that's what exactly what it looks like dude you sit up there and you look up and you like what like If you're going to go there, you've got to go when it's no moon.

[1949] Because I went the last time I went, we fucked up, and it was a full moon.

[1950] It was still beautiful, but it was a full moon, and you just don't see as many stars.

[1951] Yeah, yeah.

[1952] If you can get up there, and you don't have to go to the very top, you go to, there's like a visitor center.

[1953] That's all you need to do.

[1954] They have some telescopes, but you don't even want to look at the telescope.

[1955] Just look up, man. Yeah, yeah, just look up and enjoy it.

[1956] It's amazing.

[1957] Yeah, that's sick.

[1958] I really feel like there's something going on with people today.

[1959] And one of the things with the arrogance of human beings and the ridiculous way we behave, I think part of it is connected to the fact that we don't see space anymore.

[1960] I think space is so humbling and I think it's psychedelic.

[1961] When I don't even have to do, I don't have to smoke pot.

[1962] I don't have to do anything.

[1963] When I go to Hawaii and I look up, I get high.

[1964] I feel like I just like, it puts me in perspective.

[1965] It lets me know, like, you're in a magical place.

[1966] You're on this strange circular spaceship.

[1967] that's hurling through infinity and above you is an infinite number of giant explosions, huge fireballs in the sky that is floating there.

[1968] No one knows why.

[1969] So that's what I think about God.

[1970] That is, you know, I just think a lot of people, they use religion and God as a scaffolding to try to be a good person and to try to have rules and to try to have structure in their life and to try to give themselves something to look forward to, which I think, think is a good thing.

[1971] I think there's a lot of good things that religion provides people.

[1972] But I also think it provides people with a lot of excuses to be shitty to people, a lot of hate, you know, a lot of, I mean, especially ancient religions that suppress women or suppress gay people or suppress people's rights in any way, shape, or form based on this idea that, you know, its ancient scripture tells them they're not supposed to do certain things.

[1973] I think that's all ridiculous.

[1974] But I think that's not really God.

[1975] That's the hand of man. So if it's, the problem with even the term God is that it's kind of been co -opted by religion, which has definitely been co -opted by man. You can learn a lot from ancient religious texts and ancient knowledge that people knew they figured things out a long time ago and they were trying to figure out a way to pass that down onto other people.

[1976] But the problem is in the translation.

[1977] Like, none of the ancient religions were ever written in English.

[1978] None of them.

[1979] No. They were written in all sorts of different.

[1980] Like, the Bible.

[1981] Here's a perfect example.

[1982] The original Bible was written in ancient Hebrew.

[1983] Well, actually, Aramaic, if you go to the Dead Sea Scrolls were in Aramaic.

[1984] And the Dead Sea Scrolls contain a lot of the stories that are in the ancient Bibles.

[1985] And it's like, it's really convoluted the translation between Aramaic to Latin, to Greek, to back to English.

[1986] It's like you lose a lot.

[1987] And then in ancient Hebrew, and in ancient Hebrew also, the words double as numbers.

[1988] Letters double as numbers.

[1989] Like, there's no numbers in ancient Hebrew.

[1990] It's like the letter A is also the number one.

[1991] Yep.

[1992] So words also have numerical value.

[1993] Like the word God and the word love, they have the same numerical value.

[1994] Because the numbers in the letters, like what the, it means something.

[1995] Yeah.

[1996] It's not like you can say, ah, go fuck yourself.

[1997] Like it's not like just a phonetic language.

[1998] It's a language that also has mathematics incorporated to it.

[1999] And that meant something.

[2000] It was a part of, so when you take these ancient Hebrew sentences and you translate them to English, and you don't just translate them to English, you translate them to Latin, you translate them to Greek, and then you translate them to English.

[2001] A lot's lost in the process.

[2002] But I think these people were trying to figure some things out about life, and I think we could probably learn something from them.

[2003] But for sure, Sure, a lot of it was people manipulating the other people around them and saying, God says this.

[2004] You have to do that.

[2005] Or you will die in a fiery fucking pit in the middle of the earth.

[2006] Or it will just decapitate your ass.

[2007] Yeah.

[2008] There was a lot of horse shit involved in religion.

[2009] So it's not all bad.

[2010] It's not all good, but it's interesting.

[2011] Yeah.

[2012] Yeah and yang.

[2013] There's a lot going on, Jeremy's deans.

[2014] There is a lot going on.

[2015] There's so much going on.

[2016] It's crazy life, brother.

[2017] Yeah, right.

[2018] So back to you and your career, because we're going to wrap this up.

[2019] You know, it's like 420, hollow 420 for all your people out there.

[2020] If you're looking at your career right now and looking at your future, you're trying to just get a big fight right now.

[2021] So you're calling these guys, have they set anything up?

[2022] No, man, like I said, man, I hassle Sean Shelby, dude, and I'm like, yo, dude, he just like.

[2023] What does he say?

[2024] He's just, you know, he just kind of looks like, man, this guy's crazy.

[2025] He's like, he's always, he's like, I'll get you something, I'll get you something.

[2026] But the division is kind of in a funk right now.

[2027] Either everybody's got fights or I've already fought people or, you know, they're coming off losses.

[2028] Normally, like, they try to prepare you with the win.

[2029] So I told Sean, I go, hey, man, if I ain't going to get, like, a Frankie or an Aldo fight, I'm like, give me somebody outside real quick.

[2030] Let me just go get a good win.

[2031] And like you said, I'm still right there in the mix.

[2032] So then when it all pans out, I'm right there.

[2033] And I want those big.

[2034] But you being so big, though, here's my question.

[2035] Like, if, let's say there's a big title fight coming up.

[2036] Say if Aldo, who just won the interim title is going to defend his title against someone else in the top 10.

[2037] And, you know, you see that coming up.

[2038] do you, and you don't have a fight scheduled, do you start training thinking maybe someone can get injured and you might get that call?

[2039] Because MMA, particularly the UFC, is notorious for last -minute fallouts or guys get injured.

[2040] Yep.

[2041] Right after my fight was right before UFC 200.

[2042] So I, right as I got done, you know, I was 100 % healthy, had no injuries.

[2043] I was like, hey, you know, I just want to let you know.

[2044] I know maybe some people are ahead of me, but I go, let you know I'm going to be ready and 100 % focused, and, you know, I didn't do anything.

[2045] I went out and enjoyed myself one time, and then I was training.

[2046] I was back to doing sprint strike right away.

[2047] And then about two weeks before that fight or so, I ended up going to Mexico on a vacation.

[2048] My cousin got married, and then I just went out and enjoyed myself.

[2049] But for like two weeks straight, I was continuing to spend.

[2050] Yeah, I stayed on point.

[2051] Just in case.

[2052] Yeah, because, I mean, things happen, you know, and I want to be that guy to step up.

[2053] And I let them know, and I let everybody else know that, hey, I'm ready.

[2054] I'm ready to take that next step.

[2055] and you can rely on me. It's tricky, though, because you're so big.

[2056] You know, if, like, if something was scheduled for two weeks from now and then all of a sudden you got this call, you really can't make weight in two weeks.

[2057] No, not now.

[2058] Yeah.

[2059] Not now.

[2060] So, you know, like I said, I was preparing for $200.

[2061] It didn't happen.

[2062] So now I've taken my time off.

[2063] I've enjoyed myself.

[2064] I've traveled.

[2065] And, you know, I've been back in the gym.

[2066] But you're not fat.

[2067] This is where it's so confusing.

[2068] Like, I'm looking at you right now.

[2069] You're fucking in shape.

[2070] You're fit.

[2071] Dude, I just ran the other day.

[2072] And I am in shape.

[2073] just, I, my coach, we just, we just, I stay on my diet.

[2074] I've been enjoying myself like on the weekends and I love lava cakes and ice cream.

[2075] And, uh, who doesn't?

[2076] Yeah, you know, and I, and I, you know, I have to enjoy myself, you know, a little bit because there's got to be a yin and yang.

[2077] There's got to be a dark side and then there's got to be the good side.

[2078] Right.

[2079] And as of right now, I've been back on the diet and everything's going good.

[2080] I've been, I've been doing my runs.

[2081] I just really haven't been that dialed in like, hey, I have a set date and I'm doing things in particular.

[2082] as I was training right after my fight, I was ready and set and still striving toward that goal.

[2083] It just didn't happen that way, that's fine, but get me a fight.

[2084] I need Sean Shelby to get me a fight, and I want those exciting fights.

[2085] I think a lot of people want to see me and Jose Auto get after it.

[2086] They want to see me and Connor McGregor.

[2087] He's a heavy -handed guy.

[2088] He's an exciting guy.

[2089] He's an interesting dude, and people want to see the live...

[2090] They want to see the live fights.

[2091] They don't want to see the laying in prey.

[2092] And there's nothing wrong with that.

[2093] You've got to win.

[2094] I understand and people got to provide for their family, but I like to personally get into legit fist fights to where I like to scrap it, no matter where the fight goes.

[2095] If you're taking me down, I'm trying to elbow you in the head.

[2096] I'm trying to get back up.

[2097] I'm trying to put you to sleep.

[2098] So I feel like I'm an exciting fighter.

[2099] I've been in the game a long time.

[2100] I'm ready for that next level of competition and just staying focused and dialed in.

[2101] Oh, you're definitely a fan favorite.

[2102] And you're a favorite of mine, man. I'm a big fan.

[2103] I got to sign their shorts for you, by the way.

[2104] Sign them.

[2105] I want to see him in that new building, man. I hope you get that.

[2106] Well, we fucked up, man. We were in the process of buying a building, and it looks like it fell through somehow or another.

[2107] This guy that owns a building is such a twat burger.

[2108] I don't know what, but we'll figure it out.

[2109] You'll get something better, trust me, dude.

[2110] When we do get it, what we're going to do is we're going to set up a gallery.

[2111] And I'll definitely, I got Jeremy Stevens shorts and handwraps from his last fight.

[2112] We'll put those in a frame, and we'll get you to sign that and put that up there.

[2113] Hell, yeah.

[2114] I appreciate it, man. I've always been a fan, dude.

[2115] I know you always represented me very well.

[2116] I watched that podcast that you were doing, dude.

[2117] I just thought that was awesome and a lot of people like hey man Joe Rogan gives you a lot of love and I kept my shorts and I was like man I got to get back on the podcast and I was like you know what this guy actually offered me some money and I was going to sell them and I was like nah man I got to give him to my man Joe oh thank you brother I appreciate that very much man I appreciate you have me on here too all right you can find Jeremy on Twitter Lil Heathen MMA Instagram yep little heathen MMA and across the board man All right man look forward to seeing you soon brother Hey thank you guys appreciate Folks, we'll be back tomorrow with Justin Wren, Fight for the Forgotten, building wells in the Congo, bitch.