14 - You Sexy Motherfourteen

[0] This is exactly right.

[1] Hey, this is exciting.

[2] An all -new season of only murders in the building is coming to Hulu on August 27th.

[3] Steve Martin, Martin Short, and Selena Gomez are back as your favorite podcaster, detectives.

[4] But there's a mystery hanging over everyone.

[5] Who killed Saz?

[6] And were they really after Charles?

[7] Why would someone want to kill Charles?

[8] This season, murder hits close to home.

[9] With a threat against one of their own, the stakes are higher than ever.

[10] Plus, the gang is going to Hollywood to turn their podcast into a major movie.

[11] Amid the glitz and glamour of Los Angeles, more mysteries and twists arise.

[12] Who knows what will happen once the cameras start to roll?

[13] Get ready for the stariest season yet with Merrill Streep, Zach Alfenakis, Eugene Levy, Eva Longoria, Melissa McCarthy, DeVine, Joy Randolph, Molly Shannon, and more.

[14] Only Martyrs in the Building, premieres August 27th, streaming only on Hulu.

[15] Goodbye.

[16] Okay, good, because we should do a podcast.

[17] I mean, we've had like an hour.

[18] deep conversation before this podcast even started.

[19] Yeah, we had to really connect and put some stuff on the table.

[20] Get some stuff.

[21] Air some dirty laundry.

[22] Not even not, like airsome.

[23] Dan, I think every episode I'm going to terribly sing a bad song.

[24] That'll be my new thing.

[25] Do you mind?

[26] No, because every episode, you sing a good song.

[27] My notebook is so far away.

[28] I'm trying to reach my notebook.

[29] Georgia just stood up and it looked like she was starting to start.

[30] to do stand -up comedy we're both laying on the couch and then she jumped up and like took a pose i was like can i make it to this dresser and get my notebook oops without and then yeah it looked like stand -up comedy oh are those because those are your notes from your uh you're watching your show with the famous lawyers hey let's get right into it okay i was i was trying to do a long introduction but now i can't remember their names by the way this is my favorite murder oh hi yes Hi, guys.

[31] With Karen and Georgia.

[32] Welcome to episode 14.

[33] That's Karen on Georgia.

[34] Yeah.

[35] Do you want to give a shout out real quick before you and start to the name of that?

[36] Because we have like, we started naming the episodes weird things and now we're just like on it.

[37] Now we're just trying to make each other laugh.

[38] And when we think of it, it's just a punt, basically a pun contest.

[39] The teens are hard.

[40] The teens are pretty tough.

[41] And last week, 13 going on Murdy.

[42] is the episode title that my friend Owen Elexen DMed me on Twitter and basically just said it was right after the number 12 dropped he just DMed and it said next week should be 13 going on Mertie and you texted me that and it's like yep there's no way it's not going to be can we have a contest for like so we don't have to think of them anymore like people writing us sure if you want to like 14 what is 14 what if we just open this whole podcast up and have other people do it What of all?

[43] Every week?

[44] It's a, what are they called?

[45] Moderated?

[46] It's all moderated.

[47] It's all moderated by other people.

[48] It's moderated, produced, and talked through, researched, and then performed by.

[49] Yeah.

[50] That'd be fun.

[51] But it's by Karen and Georgia.

[52] Yeah, we'll still own it.

[53] We'll own the copyright.

[54] Speaking of, I just bought the rights to Michael Ramstead's adorable drawing.

[55] Oh, yes.

[56] Of my favorite murder.

[57] The one, if you see the drawing of the two of us, lying, it's a cute little cartoony drawing of us, lying prone with, like, murder weapons around us.

[58] That's the one on the Facebook page.

[59] Yeah, Michael Ramstad, who's like, this fucking incredible, like, incredible artists drew it just for fun because he's a nice guy.

[60] Thanks, Michael Ramstad.

[61] And I was like, hey, can I buy that from you so we can make t -shirts?

[62] So in the next few weeks, hopefully.

[63] Oh, yeah, because we, we've got some spec t -shirts, right?

[64] Yeah, there's already a mock -up of the t -shirts.

[65] It's like, it's happening.

[66] You guys, you can have a t -shirt.

[67] Pretty soon.

[68] We'll all wear t -shirts around town.

[69] Yeah.

[70] And if we see you, we'll murder you.

[71] Yeah.

[72] That's how we'll know to murder each other.

[73] That'd be amazing.

[74] That was the thing.

[75] This whole thing turns into a craze cult where everyone just murders each other.

[76] What's that cosplay thing where you like, there's people, like, if you're wearing a certain thing, you have to murder, you have to like tag that person, but it's pretend murder and then you're out of the game.

[77] Have you heard of that?

[78] Um, is it Dungeons and Dragons?

[79] No. It's close, though.

[80] Is it LARPING?

[81] Yes.

[82] Is it really?

[83] Live action role playing.

[84] it's larping how does you know that is it the renaissance fair i love nerds i research their shit all the time i want to know what they do on the weekends larping what a grand idea live action role playing do you know that's so cool yeah uh well we're nerds too and you did something on the weekend we're murder nerds murder nerds um i did i did do something i went to see uh string and beuding the ticket of the weekend everyone was talking about this show.

[85] Did I say that right?

[86] I think so.

[87] Okay, so they were the defense attorneys for Stephen Avery from Netflix making a murderer.

[88] Um, who, of course, if you saw it, you fell in love with them and, uh, are obsessed with them as I am.

[89] They're good men trying to do good in an unjust world.

[90] Yeah.

[91] Defense attorneys as a whole, I think are good people.

[92] I hope so.

[93] You know?

[94] I mean, I wouldn't want to park next to them in a Trader Joe's parking lot.

[95] in general.

[96] But that's an LA lawyer thing.

[97] I like that they're defending his right to a fair trial.

[98] They're not being like, he's innocent.

[99] They're like, you're doing these things wrong.

[100] You're doing everything wrong state of Wisconsin.

[101] Like they're, they're, what I took away from this.

[102] And I was like, this might be stupid.

[103] I'm so sick of my, of making a murder.

[104] Like, we, I have read about it to death, like other theories and shit.

[105] I was up on the show like hardcore.

[106] I was like, this, I don't want to fucking hear audience questions about the cat getting burned for fucking two hours, you know, in an uncomfortable chair.

[107] I spilled a half a glass of wine on myself, like right when I walked in.

[108] Oh, good.

[109] Because that's what I did.

[110] Red or white?

[111] Oh, red, of course.

[112] Perfect.

[113] Why would I spill white wine on myself?

[114] And you were wearing your white lace blouse?

[115] Yeah.

[116] And I started screaming.

[117] I was Carrie.

[118] It was great.

[119] So you were trying to make it as difficult as possible from the outset.

[120] Yep.

[121] And then what happened?

[122] It was excellent.

[123] If you have a chance to see it, everyone, go.

[124] Like, it was a really, if you're interested in true crime and law, fascinating.

[125] A couple things I wrote down.

[126] Guess how many, okay, so witnesses who are exonerated because of a, because of, they were wrongfully convicted.

[127] Guess what out of 10, how many are overturned because of witness?

[128] misidentification.

[129] How many out of ten?

[130] I just said, I almost just said the number.

[131] It's 11 out of 10.

[132] Well, eight.

[133] Is it some crazy high number?

[134] It's seven, which is still a lot.

[135] I shouldn't ask people that because it's like, if it's higher, then I'm like, oh, well.

[136] Sorry.

[137] I always ruined our games like this by overshooting.

[138] And then it's kind of like, well, it is still pretty high, though.

[139] It is seven.

[140] Yeah, that's crazy high.

[141] So seven out of ten.

[142] So seven out of ten.

[143] overturned convictions are because of witness misidentification.

[144] Yeah, they say eyewitness identification is one of the least reliable forms of what do you call it?

[145] Of testimony?

[146] Sure.

[147] I feel like by the clues, what's the word I'm looking for?

[148] Evidence.

[149] That's right.

[150] There we go.

[151] Ding, ding.

[152] We have a true crime podcast.

[153] We should know these nouns.

[154] I feel like by 2050, they're going to be like, how fucking antiquated was like 2010 and before that they fucking were relying on witness testimony?

[155] Yes, for sure.

[156] Well, because at that point, there will be so much CCTV cameras in every corner of our lives.

[157] That is a fair point.

[158] That's probably what it will be.

[159] How do you feel about CCTV?

[160] I like it.

[161] I don't know.

[162] I don't.

[163] It's fine.

[164] I mean, I understand why people have a problem with it.

[165] but the idea that you think and maybe there'll be a dystopian future where we live in some terrible government state where they watch everything you do and it's all you know 1984 but for right now that's how you fucking find the guy that walks up and hits someone on the back of the head and puts them in their car before anyone knows what happens I feel like if you're a true crime fan you agree with that and I feel like if the laws are fair in general then CCTV is okay you know what I mean?

[166] If laws are like, you can't smoke cigarettes and they're arresting people who are smoking cigarettes on C .C. You know, like, once the laws get a little fucking crazier, then, which is like, you can't really tell.

[167] Yeah.

[168] But I just, for now, any time I watch a British procedural, I'm always like, well, they're going to get this on CCC.

[169] There's no problem.

[170] Like, my, it's such a, it's such a comfort to me in my old age.

[171] The fact that they rely on, like, bank cameras.

[172] like they that you know when you see those that are like the bank camera caught the street for one second and saw this car drive by and that's how they knew this person wasn't where they said they were yeah like if you're going to rely on that and that's going to be admissible throw a camera up there fucking listen i want to be safe who i mean are people is it just not wanting to be monitored and not wanting to introduce the concept of a police state like that yeah but like it's already happening it's i'm I think keeping citizens, and it's almost like, I feel like people will do less horrible things outside if they know they're being watched.

[173] I know that's so naive.

[174] I think we're both, I think everyone in this whole conversation, whether they're forward against it, is being naive.

[175] Because if they don't think the government is already fucking following every single thing they say, they're stupid.

[176] But if we think it's going to be okay that closed captioning, or close captioning, brought to you by.

[177] I don't want deaf people to know what anyone is saying on parenthood.

[178] Speaking of, have you watched the new season of Happy Valley?

[179] Yes, I have.

[180] I had to put closed captioning on because it's so un...

[181] When the sister talks, you don't know what she's saying.

[182] What are, it's a British procedural drama you guys should watch.

[183] It's fucking great.

[184] It's so good.

[185] I think people have talked about it on the Facebook page, but yeah, but yeah, because...

[186] I'm not done what the season is, don't tell me. It's great.

[187] I won't tell you anything.

[188] but it is northern England, I believe.

[189] My Lord, what are they fucking saying?

[190] It's the craziest accent.

[191] And they said, there's a lot of talk like this, that kind of, it's borderline, Jordy, I think.

[192] What's that?

[193] It's a part, Welsh or something like that.

[194] It's a crazy British accent.

[195] Let me see if there's something else from that.

[196] I wrote a couple notes, but I had had red wine by then.

[197] One out of five.

[198] Oh, so seven out of ten of the overturned conventions are from, witness misidentification one out of five overturning convictions come from jailhouse informants which is like yeah dude yeah if you're giving someone a fucking lenient uh what's it called a sentencing lenient sentence because they're informing on someone but you know what i do love is i love when they like plant a cop as a prisoner yes and get that shit out yeah so then nobody there's nobody benefiting that could possibly be like right it's a lock right and if you're stupid enough to tell your cellmate which like so many people are stupid enough to tell their cellmate well they can't help it if you if they're that certain personality this the psychopath and the narcissist and all that that's what i find so fascinating is that it really is not every single killer is like that but there is that there's a certain pattern especially like like murders that make no sense like murders that aren't of like that aren't domestic abuse, that aren't, like, personal, these people are fucking crazy.

[199] Like, when it's not out of, quote, passion, which I hate saying that word, because killing your fucking spouse isn't passion.

[200] It's just, it's just pure evil.

[201] It should be called hysteria.

[202] That's really what it is.

[203] Yeah.

[204] That's, that, that is accurate.

[205] It's a man going hysterical.

[206] I read a thing recently, um, there's a chopper.

[207] Do you ever think that when you, there's a helicopter over your, house that it's like there's a loose criminal and they're going to park or.

[208] Oh, that's why I moved out of Silver Lake because there was helicopters in my, like, this searchlight in my backyard every night.

[209] I was like, I can't handle it.

[210] It's dumb.

[211] Crimes of passion and crimes of love.

[212] Like, you can't call it that.

[213] And the same way that someone I read recently that was like, you can't call, don't call it unconsensual sex because sex is sex and rape is rape.

[214] Use the word rape.

[215] Right.

[216] They so often use...

[217] It's not sex.

[218] Yeah.

[219] They use euphemisms, like, journalistically.

[220] Yeah.

[221] When it's like, when they're like, oh, they assaulted a child.

[222] You raped a child.

[223] Say the words together so that people understand what happened.

[224] Right.

[225] Molesting is like such a vague term.

[226] Yeah.

[227] I remember there was that documentary about that one priest who was like just sent from fucking church to church.

[228] Oh, that documentary is one of them.

[229] I think about it all the time.

[230] I wish I'd never watched it.

[231] Well, there's one kid in it who's like, like he's, you can tell he's like, became a drug addict, was so fucked up off it.

[232] And he says, that guy didn't molest me. He fucked me. Like, he says that.

[233] Yeah.

[234] That's like, that's like, that's like, people don't talk about that.

[235] I'm so sorry for listeners who are listening with their children.

[236] They're not.

[237] Well, there was one woman who said she was recommending it to her children, but I was assuming it was because they were all adults.

[238] Right.

[239] would hope one would fucking hope um yeah no it's all of that i feel like this there's just waves of change because so many people have voices these days if people get to talk about this enough so that it does affect change but yeah there's nothing that makes me angrier than it was like accused of a sexual assault of a minor or it's like why are you rewording child rape yeah that's so strange yeah they did it they need to get called what they did but have you seen any of that news about Dennis Hastert going to trial.

[240] He's that Republican, I think he was the Speaker of the House.

[241] And he's been molesting boys and raping boys.

[242] I just did it myself for years.

[243] Well, he was a wrestling coach in Illinois.

[244] It's just the crazy story.

[245] But he was one of the lead people that tried to get Clinton impeached when he had that affair.

[246] Meanwhile, fully raping boys.

[247] Somewhere in his head.

[248] that makes sense to him.

[249] It has to.

[250] Otherwise, how do you live your life?

[251] Like, I feel like if you and I killed someone, we would be, if you and I stole something from a grocery store, we would be like so rack, well, whatever, steal shit, I don't care.

[252] Like, you know what I mean.

[253] Like, if I like, we have consciences.

[254] These are people who like are sociopathic or they're so, they just want what they want, so that they rationalize everything that they do.

[255] That's the bullshit.

[256] that these guys that are that these old guys that have been in power for so long they're used to it and you see these other Republicans defending him by saying there's one that said i think it was tom delay is that is that who it is i don't know anything about politics but he said we've all we we all have personality flaws oh that is not a personality it is not it's uh there's no excuse i think it's i think it's become so um normal in our culture that like there are molesters out there and there are yeah but I feel like that more and more there's like it just makes me think now we're going off on the craziest tangent but it makes me think of like the franklin credit union scandal where for so long the people that tried to report that they were like you're out of your mind you're talking about government officials well now these government officials it's in the light of day all of these rich white or old men who have been telling everybody how to live and what their value is for years and years are fucking monsters of the highest order.

[257] It's crazy.

[258] It's the people who are underrepresented and fucking striving just to make their families have a good life.

[259] You know what they say that like that are the good people is what I mean.

[260] Sometimes they're not.

[261] Anyways, um, they say that like if you want to get into politics, there's a part of you that's a narcissist to begin with.

[262] Yeah.

[263] Like, you can't want to get into politics without having a little bit of fucking narcissism.

[264] Sure.

[265] Which makes sense to me. Like, I don't want to lead a bunch of fucking people.

[266] And be a professional bullshitter and be on the take.

[267] And basically just lie to people so you can get to where you want to get into a place of power.

[268] Like, who wants to be in a place of power?

[269] Well, and also what that power means, which it seems like the more we learn about it, it means that you go off to like bohemian grove and sacrifice a six -year -old to a big wooden owl and shit where you're just like sorry what that's a rough episode if you guys want to hear more about this what we're talking about listen to the last podcast and the left episode bohemian grove bohemian grove and then what was the and the franklin credit union that the way those guys did that and researched it is amazing it's like a two or three -parter there's some shit that's hard to listen to like they get into the shit they get into it and And there's a couple, because they also have one that's like Satanism in the government.

[270] Because they did a whole run about like all the satanic panic in the 80s and all that shit.

[271] And how these things that were once considered conspiracies are actually proving to be 100 % true.

[272] Well, it just sounds so ridiculous and obvious.

[273] It sounds like we're jellaby offer of being like, no, the government is bad.

[274] I'm like, the government is Jerry Brown.

[275] You know, it's like, that was dead.

[276] It was dead on.

[277] One percent of our listeners were like, yes.

[278] She nailed that.

[279] The other ones don't know what the fuck I'm talking about.

[280] So good.

[281] Wait, anything else from the, it was at the Ace Hotel, you say?

[282] Yeah.

[283] It wasn't.

[284] They have this like feet up.

[285] Where are you pointing?

[286] They have this like gorgeous theater at the Ace Hotel that they like, they stole.

[287] It was like a gorgeous theater to begin with.

[288] And Ace Hotel was like, this is what I wrote because I love my little like, crazy notes false evidence the most dangerous tool the cops use said strang yes false evidence is the most dangerous he was these dudes were like is he this smaller one dean string string is a smaller one the other one looks like the eagle from the muppets yes sam the eagle and dean strang is like this sensitive poetry teacher that's just trying to yeah catch a break and can't believe he's like i'm just trying to teach you kids about poetry and you won't listen and like I mean these guys can't make a ton of money and I mean they're just justified like they're so admirable that they are you know like what the things they were saying about how they're used to not they used to not allow um like even recordings voice recordings in a fucking uh interrogation oh wow which is like it's common fucking sense that you would if you were a cock you would want this to be recorded at least audio if not video my cat is just smelling everything about you right now I love it um because you're not doing anything wrong and so you should it's the same thing with the fucking close captioning yes that's right but but I mean I was going to say you know in the it it immediately made me think of like LA confidential where it's like you can't record it if you're not doing it on the books and if cops are you know they there's always that mentality of by any means necessary you got to get this perp but that leaves out you could be wrong and that's the problem that that people i think that get into power like that they lose the ability to question their own judgment they lose the ability to be wrong right they're just like after the what they think is quote unquote the truth and it has to be their truth because they have to win well that's false confessions and they talked about Brendan Dassey, the nephew in making a murder who got, you know, who, quote, confessed.

[289] And, like, half of his testimony isn't, isn't video, you know, half of the shit that happened between them.

[290] And there's no parent there and there's no lawyer there.

[291] He should that shit should have all been stricken from the record.

[292] Like, that should not have been entered into anyone's what is the word?

[293] Entered into.

[294] Evidence?

[295] Evidence?

[296] Is the, did we miss the word evidence two times in the true crime?

[297] podcast.

[298] Guys, episode 14 is a real roller coaster.

[299] 14, uh, 14, we don't got it.

[300] Four, 14 the bell tolls.

[301] Nope.

[302] Stop it.

[303] Don't do that.

[304] Do not condescent to me. 14.

[305] The bell tolls.

[306] Okay.

[307] Write on our Facebook page or tweet at us what number 15 should be.

[308] Please.

[309] Yeah.

[310] please um but know that but you're now in the realm of comedy writing and so you might get your feelings hurt just know that we'll insult we're gonna we're gonna read the worst ones and go with the best one and we're gonna name first last and middle names oh it's gonna be a blood bath we'll not do any of that you imagine we just turn we never even make it to episode 20 because we turn on everyone in ourselves what if what if we turn this podcast into which podcast called what if then we just keep it's just a shit ton of conjecture for an hour and ten minutes.

[311] Like, what if?

[312] But we had to say it like that.

[313] Like, what if?

[314] No, what if?

[315] Like, no. You don't even know.

[316] You don't, what if?

[317] Just keep going higher.

[318] Yeah.

[319] Let's do that.

[320] All right, should we do our, did we do all of our house cleaning?

[321] Do we have any corrections?

[322] I feel like.

[323] For a corrections department.

[324] Like, a murder enema.

[325] Like, I just feel good right now.

[326] I got a true crime enema.

[327] that's good I know that'll clean you right out I mean not just whoosh you know what I'm saying wow um do you want me to go first this this year this year so this theme this theme is so last week we did 1980s murders which was like easy for both of us I feel like yeah and then we were like we're going to do 1990s murders and then I feel like both of us today were like what the I can't find a 90s murder I can't I was like I can't find one I don't have the will to live What did I do to my eyebrow?

[328] I have a lot of eyebrow problems this weekend.

[329] I did something to my right eyebrow.

[330] It's not filled in right now so you can see it.

[331] I just did some bottom plucking.

[332] You know how sensitive I am about eyebrows.

[333] It's got an arch.

[334] It's got a nice arch.

[335] This over here is okay.

[336] It looks like you're being like inquisitive.

[337] All the time.

[338] I constantly want to know something that I want to furrow my brow today to be like, oh, I understand to someone.

[339] And they're like, are you mad at me?

[340] because I have Botox So I can't throw my brow correctly And I was like maybe I need to lay up the boat Are you mad at me?

[341] I was like no I'm concerned You just can't tell because I have fucking What are they called?

[342] I have just like chemical Gautulism in your muscles In my forehead You know what?

[343] LA 25 And you do Girl you're wrinkle free I because I can't live another day with wrinkles.

[344] No, I don't care.

[345] Well, you're on that TV, I tell you, there's nothing worse.

[346] There's nothing worse than seeing how your face does on.

[347] HG.

[348] What is it called?

[349] HD.

[350] HD TV?

[351] Oh, man. Take a look at your face on HG TV.

[352] Tiny house hunters wrinkles, the worst kind.

[353] We got, we were drinking and watching like, you live in what?

[354] Like, it's something like, and I was screaming at the TV as I do when I drink and watch TV and smoke.

[355] about how everyone has a trust fund and go fuck yourself.

[356] Like, I was angry at these people with their stupid fucking, that's what you think about as you're fucking four, like, they're, what do they live in?

[357] Is it like, we turn this fucking TV and then like a six -story open concept, fuck you.

[358] I wish I was here for that.

[359] Just screaming.

[360] Yeah.

[361] Well, they think they intentionally cast kind of awful people so that you hate watch it.

[362] Because if you like the people, then you're just watching people buy shit or like consider buying shit.

[363] Yeah, but I live with someone.

[364] And so them having to hear me scream at the TV about the only way you could have, you could live like this is with a trust fund.

[365] Yeah.

[366] Like, you need to mention that up top.

[367] Hey, this is exciting.

[368] An all new season of only murders in the building is coming to Hulu on August 27th.

[369] Steve Martin, Martin Short, and Selena Gomez are back as your favorite podcaster detectives.

[370] But there's a mystery hanging over everyone.

[371] Who killed Saz?

[372] And were they really after Charles?

[373] Why would someone want to kill Charles?

[374] This season, murder hits close to home.

[375] With a threat against one of their own, the stakes are higher than ever.

[376] Plus, the gang is going to Hollywood to turn their podcast into a major movie.

[377] Amid the glitz and glamour of Los Angeles, more mysteries and twists arise.

[378] Who knows what will happen once the cameras start to roll?

[379] Get ready for the stariest season yet with Merrill Streep, Zach Alfenakis, Eugene Levy, Eva Longoria, Melissa McCarthy, Devine, Joy Randolph, Molly Shannon, and more.

[380] Only Martyrs in the Building, premieres August 27th, streaming only on Hulu.

[381] Goodbye.

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[403] Well, also to watch people buying like second homes on the beach, there's those ones that are like beachcomers or whatever where I'm like, pardon me, I drove by, you know, six homeless people literally laying on the sidewalk on my way over here.

[404] And these motherfuckers are buying a fun second home.

[405] There's only so much everyone needs.

[406] Like you need a basic maximum of shit.

[407] And the rest of it is you being an asshole.

[408] You're not going to be any happier in the Bahamas.

[409] No. It won't work.

[410] You know why?

[411] I'm going to go to your fucking estate sale.

[412] And you're going to be in a home and I'm going to buy your shit.

[413] Oh my God.

[414] This is getting deep.

[415] This is going.

[416] exactly where I need it to be.

[417] Finally, we're taking down the real monsters of this world, the people on HGTV.

[418] I mean, I'm happy for them.

[419] No, you know what?

[420] Lots of love going out to them.

[421] Here's what we always say.

[422] Do Lizzie's.

[423] Wishing them well.

[424] Oh, Lizzie is.

[425] I just, you got to come from a place of love.

[426] Lizzie Cooperman.

[427] I love her.

[428] Lizzie Cuperman, legendary comedian.

[429] She's a fucking amazing.

[430] Good friend.

[431] You want to go first or do me go first?

[432] I'll totally go first.

[433] Please go first.

[434] um first of all somebody um tweeted this on the Twitter page at my fave murder if you'd love to join us over there i think i got locked out somehow on my phone and i can't figure out how to get back you keep doing that i do it and then i don't try to fix it that's my thing you try twice me like fuck this i'm like no you know what fuck it um but somebody did tweet this and it made me realize because someone said something about murderpedia i think they were just mentioning it but they could have been saying I'm on to you how you use that in all your research which I absolutely I don't think they were but they could have been because I absolutely do and murderpedia just as a recommendation if you ever want to know about a killer it's this amazing website where they have compiled tons of articles in one spot so you can read like local newspaper articles about the person that you are researching and there are links to every article can you tell I'm furring my brow in anger right now you cannot I can't.

[435] But I also don't have my glasses on.

[436] And I'm wearing a French sleeve t -shirt, so I'm slightly uncomfortable because I have an intense farmer's tan.

[437] There's so much going on in this apartment.

[438] We should get someone to paint it.

[439] Allie says this apartment is like a YouTube channel, and so it's really hard to pay attention to anything in here because there's just like cats and like cute vintage things.

[440] It's so true.

[441] It's kind of aqua.

[442] It's very aqua.

[443] It's like if you had a seizure issue.

[444] Well, you do.

[445] Oh, shit.

[446] No, no, it's fine.

[447] If you were Karen.

[448] I haven't in ears.

[449] And I wouldn't in here.

[450] It's pleasing.

[451] Okay, good.

[452] I'm glad.

[453] So anyway, I get all my research off MurderPedia.

[454] Probably should have said that.

[455] Probably should cite research, but, you know, whatever.

[456] We're doing it a lot.

[457] Credit here, credit there.

[458] So, here's what I looked up.

[459] I was trying to do, I literally looked up MySpace murder just to see if there ever was one.

[460] and there was, but it didn't happen in the 90s.

[461] Somebody actually committed a Myspace murder in 2003, where I was like, you're a day late in a dollar short, Mr. Myspace hanging on to Myspace, way longer than necessary.

[462] I also, because somebody suggested on the Facebook page, looked, very lightly looked into the Swedish black metal murders of Norway, sorry, not, oh, summer in Sweden.

[463] And I thought, oh, that'd be kind of funny and interesting and whatever.

[464] It's so dark.

[465] Yeah.

[466] It's just a culture of people who are all trying to out, like, crazy each other.

[467] Like, we don't want to support those people.

[468] I just, it's, here's the one thing I will say about it that I do support.

[469] Part of the reason they started burning churches, because they have some amazing, really, really old churches.

[470] But they were burning them because they had a kind of, like, really.

[471] oppressive Christian culture in those countries that really fucked up a lot of people.

[472] And so that I support, but...

[473] But did they think it through in that way?

[474] And like, this is what the message we're sending.

[475] No, it was probably just a bunch of fucking...

[476] I mean, 20 -year -olds.

[477] It's hard to say because the stories I read around, like, there was church arson, but then it went into, like, stories that I don't even want to repeat because they're just...

[478] It's just dark for darkness's sake, and then they were, like, recorded, or they were, like, record you know it's crazy shit that it's just like I don't enjoy any of that because it's like we want the intricacies of fucked up things that have happened in the past we don't really want to like highlight highlight people doing things to get attention it's that's a real fuck you dad feel to all of their crimes so I was like yeah we did that with to ourselves we don't need to talk about it with other people also you can't there's like tons of really good books about it and you can go in down into that but that's also the part of it i'm not interested in the gore yeah i like the story i like learning about the psychology the gore is just you know yeah whatever i like acoustic a folk rock music murders and i'm gonna say i like when someone from beachwood sparks murdered someone have you ever heard of the austin city limits murders they're insane all right so here's what i landed on okay and this This, I think this guy has it all because I tried to look, I was trying to look for someone that, something that would spark a memory where I'd be like, oh, I do remember that and I liked it.

[479] So I was looking at San Francisco murderers or San Francisco serial killers.

[480] Oh, well, of course the zodiac is all over that shit and you can't get past it.

[481] Nightstocker a little bit too.

[482] Richard Ramirez was up there for a while.

[483] But then I stumbled upon a killer named Joseph Nassau.

[484] and so this story has a little of all the things that we like and it pulls in a murder we've already talked about that he might be responsible for there's a lot going on but here's what basically what happened when this guy was 76 years old his parole or probation officers did a random visit at his house in Reno and because he was like it was some weapons violation or whatever and so they got to search the whole house because he had weapons and ammo and they found hundreds if not thousands of photographs of nude women who were posed in very unnatural positions who appeared dead or unconscious with mannequin parts and lingerie strewn about in every picture so the cops like find this stash and then they're like holy shit we've got to really search this house and they end up finding newspaper clippings the identification of women like identification that he shouldn't have like clearly it's starting to look like serial killer what do we call them evidence no I'm just going to keep whenever we forget something so serial killer when they get a pride when they get a thing when they...

[485] Yeah, that's...

[486] What's the prize?

[487] Oh my God, why?

[488] Why is this happening?

[489] What does it call when they walk a...

[490] Not a token.

[491] Token.

[492] Is it a token?

[493] It's a token.

[494] Let's call it a token.

[495] Everyone knows the word we're looking for them.

[496] Yes.

[497] Which is so stupid.

[498] That's how you get found out, bro.

[499] Exactly.

[500] But also, and he also did it the best way of getting found out.

[501] He kept a rape diary.

[502] Abs of fucking tively don't do that.

[503] Well, here, we're glad he did, though.

[504] because he'd been doing it since the 50s.

[505] Holy shit.

[506] And he had these, it was every little interaction he would have with a woman he would write down in it leading up into these rapes where in his bizarre and strangely casual phrasing of like picked up a hot redhead, she really fought me, a lot of that kind of shit.

[507] Oh, yeah.

[508] So they go through the years, they're going through, then they find, they stumble on this list of 10 women, names and locations.

[509] and they start to put together these names and descriptions of these women and locations are starting to match up to missing women in these same towns.

[510] Can I say that's my dream?

[511] Like, I'm in the wrong.

[512] That's my dream job?

[513] Is what matching that shit up?

[514] Is it being a detective to find those things?

[515] Yeah.

[516] I'm in the wrong fucking profession.

[517] Go on.

[518] You mean eating dessert on TV isn't giving you the same feeling?

[519] Shockingly, I don't feel fulfilled and that I'm contributing to society.

[520] what if you were a detective but you still you had to get even more Botox for some reason you felt the pressure in your I was giving too much away to what are they called to criminals when I'm like in the room with them and I'm like no way like no you have to get Botox so you stop fill your whole face yeah stop firming your brow and seize up all your muscles so so basically they start lining these things up this guy has been raping and murdering and dumping women's bodies since the 70s.

[521] So they were like, these are real.

[522] These are real.

[523] And they basically end up whatever the within the same country version of extraditing is.

[524] They move them, they take them from Nevada into California because some of these murders happened around San Francisco, basically.

[525] And what they come to find out is that, oh, and.

[526] He referred to that rape journal as his dream diary detailing his fantasies.

[527] And he said that he used the word rape loosely, quote, like how guys talk.

[528] So what they start to realize is he's lived in close proximity, like in the same city, as where these women have all been taken from and dumped.

[529] He is wherever it's happening, he's lived in the same place.

[530] I love when they make those connections.

[531] It's like a puzzle piece and it takes a shit ton of legwork of like interviewing people.

[532] And it's fascinating.

[533] It's so, and it must be so fucking satisfying.

[534] Yeah.

[535] So it turns out, the other thing that's a detail that's taking place as they, as all these facts and evidence on furls is that the women have double initials.

[536] Same first and last name.

[537] We talked about this.

[538] Initials, which is the same as the alphabet murder.

[539] So these are the women that we're talking about here, it's in 80s and 90s.

[540] But in the 70s, there were a series of child murders called the Alphabet Murders in Rochester, New York.

[541] I remember talking about this.

[542] Or around there.

[543] Yeah.

[544] You talked about it.

[545] So it was little girls between the ages of 10 and 12.

[546] And they all had the same first and last initial, which I have to.

[547] I would be totally have been at risk.

[548] So Carmen Cologne, age 10, was found in November 18th, 1971 in Riga, New York.

[549] Wanda Wachowitz was 11.

[550] She was found April 3rd in Webster, New York.

[551] And Michelle Manza was 11, and she was found November 28th.

[552] 1973 in Macedon, New York.

[553] And did they find that he was living there then?

[554] They found out that he is a New York State native and that he was visiting the area.

[555] He was visiting relatives in that area at the same time.

[556] But they say that the two cases are not connected because in the 70s, these little girls were prepubescent.

[557] And these other women are older and probably prostitutes.

[558] Yeah.

[559] He only wanted to murder, he wanted to murder women of a certain age not, what the fuck?

[560] Yeah.

[561] It doesn't.

[562] And it's like, when you murder a child, people get more outraged about it.

[563] So he stopped doing that because people, because it was like more obvious.

[564] People were all over that shit.

[565] Right.

[566] So there's like, well, why don't I I can't murder children anymore because because it gets too suspicious.

[567] Also, he's old at this point.

[568] So he was arrested when he was 77.

[569] These murders happened when he was in his mid to late 50s.

[570] And also, he probably can't get around little kids as much, but you sure can't hire a prostitute anytime you want.

[571] Like, there's a logic problem that I have with it that's so irritating because there's, and the other thing was there was DNA found on the last little girl, Wanda.

[572] How is there no DNA on the other ones?

[573] That seems impossible.

[574] Well, he's proven to have killed these four women that were on his list.

[575] And his DNA is on them.

[576] But they did find, they don't have any DNA on these little girls from the 70s for the alphabet murders, except for one on Wanda.

[577] And his DNA doesn't match what was found on her.

[578] Except for my thing is, test it again.

[579] Do something, look further.

[580] into it.

[581] It seems impossible to me that before there was DNA testing, that like every single murder, like before people thought about leaving DNA aside from fingerprints, that there has to be a DNA on every crime scene.

[582] You know what I mean?

[583] And it was just handled wrong or wasn't taken or it was lost or it was destroyed or it's too old.

[584] Yeah.

[585] You know, like before we thought about these things.

[586] It's just amazing that that was recently actually.

[587] Yeah.

[588] Like, DNA is as new as the OJ trial.

[589] Totally.

[590] It's crazy to think about that.

[591] But they did save some things, but it's like, yeah, if her body was found in 1973, then maybe you're going to have some problems with that DNA.

[592] But, like, everything else, the cops are saying, yeah, there's, those other things are just a coincidence.

[593] Well, is it a coincidence that one of his victims in 1978?

[594] was also named Carmen Cologne.

[595] Are you kidding me?

[596] The same exact name as the first victim in the Rochester ones?

[597] Same exact name.

[598] I wonder if sometimes psychological profiles that we make, that psychologists and detectives make, this is what the person is like, this is what they're into, this is what they're after, this is how they are, are like, detrimental because it makes them narrow -sided.

[599] What's the word?

[600] Like near -sighted or far -sighted, flawed in their sight.

[601] Right.

[602] Problematic.

[603] Evidence.

[604] With seeing evidence.

[605] Yeah, because...

[606] Totally.

[607] How could that...

[608] These are so many coincidences.

[609] They have now written off four coincidences.

[610] You can't write that shit off.

[611] It's crazy.

[612] So the bodies of the grown women, which this was only seven years later.

[613] So the last little girl, or less, because the last little girl, Michelle, in Rochester was found in 1973.

[614] Well, in 1970s.

[615] 77, Roxanne Rogash was found in Fairfax, California, which is like 15 minutes away from Petaluma, from where I grew up.

[616] You guys have all the murders.

[617] We have tons of, NorCal, baby.

[618] But this girl was only 18.

[619] Yeah, that's not an adult.

[620] It's, I mean, and also they were saying she, they assumed she was a prostitute, but there was no proof of it.

[621] Her parents said she was not.

[622] And so it's just a weird police theory.

[623] This is a perfect link.

[624] this is only five years later and this girl is like basically his bridge into older women it's just and the word prostitute it's so it's so like definitive that this person has been selling their puss on the fucking sidewalk like that's what that means you know like that's what you picture yeah instead of like maybe she was on drugs and like dating a lot of people but like maybe she was wearing hot pants because it was fucking 1977 right but that doesn't make her a quote sex worker it's a human being that got killed.

[625] I mean and yeah and it's that thing of it makes very clear of like the problematic parts of the word prostitute because it immediately makes you go doesn't matter doesn't count she lived a she lived a high high risk lifestyle high risk lifestyle so that's what she gets right well so okay so this girl was uh Roxanne was 18 um And she was dumped by the side of the road, strangled and nude on January 10, 1977.

[626] Carmen Cologne, the second one, the older one in California, was found August 13, 1978, on the Carcina's Highway.

[627] And she was 22.

[628] She was 30 miles away from the first victim.

[629] So it was clearly, he's in that area.

[630] then in 1981, the body of Sherley Patton, who doesn't have the same initials, but she was also 56, and she washed ashore near the Naval Depot and Tiburon, and Nassau managed the place she used to live.

[631] And he also had a photo of her, and he was considered a prime suspect, but then gave investigators elusive answers and was never charged anytime in the next 30 years.

[632] Duh, bro.

[633] Like, to speak in fucking NorCal terms.

[634] Duh, bro.

[635] Duh.

[636] And then a woman named Pamela Parsons in 1993 was found in Yuba County.

[637] She was 38.

[638] And she also lived near him.

[639] And then a woman named Tracy Tofoya was found dead in 1994 in Yuba County.

[640] She was drugged, raped, strangled.

[641] and her body was left near a cemetery.

[642] So this guy had pictures, he had descriptions of them, like all the shit, it was just like a lock.

[643] He represented himself in court, of course.

[644] I'm sorry, but that means you're fucking guilty as shit.

[645] It means you're guilty and it means you're crazy.

[646] And so, of course, he was convicted of all four murders in 2013.

[647] He's in jail.

[648] He's, I think he's, what do you call it, up for the death penalty, but I couldn't find whether or not he's gotten it yet.

[649] But that woman, when he was being tried, the woman who he raped, one of the early rapes that was in Berkeley, she was waiting at a bus stop, and he picked her up and raped her.

[650] And when she went to the police and she said this in court, which I just couldn't get out of my mind, when she went to the police to report it they said they told her that they thought she was just trying to make her boyfriend jealous by making up this story can't even so that's what we're coming from that was 50 almost 60 years ago and this is where we are now I mean like that's the kind of thing we're like we're coming from a dead stop of cops not even listening when people are like repeated rapes in this entire area There's a reason people have gotten this old piece of shit has been getting away with murdering women for years and years.

[651] What gets me in every case of serial murders or multiple murders or even, I don't want to say that you have to be murdered to be important like rapists, you know, because that is devastating to your entire life.

[652] is the people that are subsequent to them to the rapists and murders getting paroled early.

[653] The people after this person should have been caught or was caught, that's on the state.

[654] That's on the judge and that, you know, like.

[655] You mean like the victims afterwards?

[656] Yeah.

[657] Like that is, those are the people that like, fuck me up.

[658] Like, that should have been fucking stopped.

[659] And the family of the victims that had happened to beforehand, they must feel guilty that, you know, this person didn't stay in jail or this person was never caught.

[660] Even though they were like, here's all this evidence.

[661] Like, it's nightmarish.

[662] It's just ridiculous.

[663] It's just, it's, it's, because when it's so cut and dry, like this man had all the evidence in his home.

[664] Yeah.

[665] He got, he's going to jail for the rest of his, you know, very short.

[666] short life hopefully um but like that it went on for years if those parole officers hadn't done that search nobody would have ever known those people would have just died it's the same thing about like child abuse cases where they're like where they're um with a child protection agency is like nope they're fine and like close a case and then the kid dies and it's like this is on you and there's no there's nothing you can say that gets you out of this Like, I don't care if your boss was this way.

[667] I don't care if you had a huge caseload.

[668] Well, the problem is they don't.

[669] That kind of shit.

[670] Human life is undervalued.

[671] Right.

[672] So they don't pay people who are supposed to be protecting those voiceless people enough.

[673] And they have too many.

[674] Even though you're right.

[675] No, no, I'm wrong.

[676] I'm going to get angry letters on this.

[677] It's just like, but we have to start putting money to the things that are important.

[678] services for people who need help as opposed to just fucking like everything just goes to the one person we can't get into this shit this is just crazy I feel like I'm going to get in trouble for saying that and I think that social workers are trying so hard and they're working against a bureaucracy that is undervaluing them and I fucking I'm sorry well I think well no I think probably the point is that this system is to blame yeah the system that's supporting you know that one person having 30 caseloads yeah it doesn't doesn't even make sense.

[679] No, you're right.

[680] I feel like, I feel like I want to edit that out because I feel like a dick for saying that.

[681] And, and teachers should be paid more?

[682] I mean, you know, let's, now we're, let's just get rid of it.

[683] So that's, uh, that's our friend Joseph Nassau, the great NorCal and possibly, I really, I'm going to say it like a detective.

[684] I like him for those alphabet murders in the 70s.

[685] Oh, yeah, I get it.

[686] Like you like him?

[687] Oh, I like him for it like cop style i agree i thought you'd like that too because we've talked about that no i do i like it i like you for liking that what's yours okay so because you're from the you're a 90s kid right yeah and this one happened when i was 16 uh so in 19 in may of 97 right before i turned 17 and so this this thing that happened this the person who did it was someone that like I would have dated.

[688] And I remember it happening.

[689] He was from Southern California, the person who did it.

[690] And the girl was from, the girl he killed was from Orange County.

[691] And it was such a like, I would have hung out with this guy.

[692] You know, like this guy would have been my friend.

[693] And it made me realize that the people you think are cool because they're one of you.

[694] You don't know who they are at all.

[695] And I'll get into it.

[696] But so May 25th, 1997, Jeremy Strohmeyer, who was 18, and David Cash, his friend, who was 17, they were at the prima donna resort and casino in Primin, Nevada, which we've all been to.

[697] It's the casino with the giant roller coaster right before you drive into Vegas.

[698] Yes.

[699] It's fucking cool because it's like going into a Denny's from the 80s.

[700] With a roller coaster that goes through the restaurant.

[701] Right.

[702] Yeah.

[703] And it's just like, it's like Natsbury Farm.

[704] It's just like quaint and it doesn't mean to be, you know?

[705] So they're there.

[706] They're from Long Beach.

[707] At 4 a .m. Strohmeyer begins to make, quote, playful contact with seven -year -old Cherise Iverson, who was roaming the casino alone, which is something that I did.

[708] Like, my dad took us to Vegas on regular.

[709] occasion, not really, but he took us a few times and was like, go play in the arcade.

[710] And you just fucking walked away.

[711] But he didn't do that at 4 a .m. No, not at 4 a .m. 4 a .m. is yeah.

[712] So the dad was gambling and drinking.

[713] Um, they told him to keep a closer eye on his daughter and he ignored them and told his son to go watch the kid, which is like my parents were divorced.

[714] If like I had gotten lost, my mom would have killed my dad.

[715] Like, yeah, I get But it, like, it was from the killer being my age to the kid being, you know, in that situation.

[716] In that situation is, like, understandable.

[717] So Stromeyer, who's being playful with Cherise, they lead, he leads her into the women's restroom.

[718] And while in the restroom, they begin to begin having a playful wet paper towel fight, like, jokingly.

[719] Like, he's playing with this, this 18 -year -old guy is playing.

[720] playing with the seven -year -old girl, like, they're buddies, you know?

[721] And, like, when you're a little kid, you, like, want to make friends with the older kids.

[722] And then he leads her into a bathroom.

[723] And then his, so this is not, like, this is really troubling to me is that the friend, last name is Cash, he walks into the restroom to look for his friend, Strohmeyer, and he peered over from a neighboring stall and saw Stromeyer restraining the girl and threatening to kill him.

[724] her if she didn't stay quiet.

[725] Cash told the police that he tried to get Stormeyer's attention by calling his name and tapping him on the head and Strohmeyer stare at him blankly.

[726] So do you know what Cass did?

[727] He walked away.

[728] He left, which is so troubling to me. Like, it's more troubling this murderous fucking kid whose dad was in prison and his mother was a schizophrenic.

[729] The fact that this fucking guy walked away.

[730] he ends up he strangle he molests and kills her I don't want to say in the way because it's like he it's so troubling um they find out who he is by putting surveillance camera surveillance video up and people from his high school in Long Beach are like that's this dude they surveillance is the cops surveillance his house and identify him he runs away and he ingests a bunch of drugs and writes a like a suicide note pretty much confessing to it.

[731] Like there's no question during any of this and the trial that he did this.

[732] There's no like maybe he didn't do it.

[733] Like he clearly did this.

[734] So let's see.

[735] So his defense attorney who represented the Menendez brothers.

[736] Yeah.

[737] The woman?

[738] Yeah.

[739] Leslie Abrams.

[740] Yeah.

[741] He called this, so Sturmeyer claimed he was high on alcohol and drugs at the time.

[742] I didn't remember committing it.

[743] And, but apparently he hoarded pornography, including pornographic images of children and admitted fantasizing about sex with young girls.

[744] And in a chat room, which, God, remember those?

[745] He wrote, I fantasized about having sex with five and six -year -old girls all the time.

[746] They couldn't prove the message came for him, but right before the trial, um, Hours before it was going to start, he entered a plea on his behalf.

[747] So his plea that he was guilty to four charges, first degree murder, first degree kidnapping, sexual assault in a mire, on a minor with substantial bodily harm and sexual assault on a mire.

[748] That's your plea.

[749] Like if that is first degree murder and kidnapping and is your plea, you are a fucked up individual.

[750] you know like manslaughter isn't what you go for right like you go for fucking first degree and you and you plead guilty to it so he was sentenced to four life terms um one for each of the crime he pleaded to he pleaded guilty to to be served consecutively so this motherfucker is never getting out do you think that he did that just to get it over with like he he knows he's guilty he's just basically he's coming in saying this is all the shit i did let's just get this over with?

[751] I think it was a death penalty.

[752] It was a death penalty case and he had confessed to it.

[753] There was like the confession was admissible in court.

[754] It was a death penalty case.

[755] I think he knows he would have gotten death for this.

[756] So this is his way of staying alive.

[757] Okay.

[758] So the post -trial shit's really interesting to me too.

[759] So Jeremy Strohmeyer is just appealing the shit out of it.

[760] It really bothers me that this guy is so clearly guilty.

[761] There's no conspiracy.

[762] There's no fucking question.

[763] His friends saw it.

[764] His shitty friends saw it.

[765] There's like, there's fucking surveillance tapes.

[766] But he keeps appealing it instead of fucking, this is what I don't understand about sociopaths.

[767] Like, just admit your guilt.

[768] Like, no, they can't.

[769] Let your, let the family heal from this.

[770] They don't care about the family.

[771] They don't care about anybody.

[772] Don't make them testify every four years.

[773] They don't.

[774] care about those people but they can't lose they can't it's about getting anything you want all the time it's the sociopathic mind is so fascinating because they don't there is no mercy and there is no logic beyond how do i get what i want there's no fault no well what's interesting is that the fucking david cash uh so shereef iverscherise iverson's mother demanded that cash the friend be charged as an accessory which like fucking clearly no authority stated there was not enough evidence connecting him to the actual crime so he never got prosecuted and i remember like frequent news updates of like him going to berkeley and his fellow students being like get this fucking kid out of here wow um he got into berkeley yeah so he would this wasn't some dip shit no these were like these were like hacky sack college kids both of them these were like skater college kids that like we would have been like like flirting with you know what i mean like so but here's what cash says uh in the weeks following stromeyer's arrest he says quote i'm not going to get upset over someone else's life i just worry about myself first i'm not going to lose sleep over somebody else's problems.

[775] Like, he took no responsibility for this.

[776] So, like, he didn't do it, but he's clearly a sociopath as well.

[777] Either that or he's in such an insanely deep denial because it's, yeah.

[778] Yeah, that makes sense.

[779] It's like, that's like saying it's not my problem where it's like, it's a hundred percent your problem.

[780] There's no, you can't just deny your way out of it.

[781] And I fucked up goes so far, you know?

[782] Yeah, but that's like, I should.

[783] have done something.

[784] I'm sorry.

[785] It goes so far.

[786] But that's not who you're dealing with.

[787] I know.

[788] I know.

[789] And then, listen to this shit.

[790] This is the craziest shit to me. So his parents, or his adoptive parents, they adopted him as an infant.

[791] This is cash or?

[792] No, this is Strohmeyer, the killer.

[793] Yeah.

[794] In 1999, they sued Los Angeles County and its adoption workers for one million dollars claiming that the social workers deliberately withheld crucial information that would have stopped them from adopting him as an infant.

[795] Specifically, they claimed that they were never told that Stromeyer's biological mother had severe mental problems, including that she suffered from schizophrenic, suffered from chronic schizophrenia, and had been hospitalized more than 60 times prior to Stromire's birth.

[796] Shit.

[797] However, they state that they continue to support their adopted son.

[798] so basically they were like he's not ours anymore in the most like indirect way like they're basically like this isn't what we asked for except for it was totally fine up until that point yeah if he hadn't had any wins they would have been like it's because we raised him right yeah i mean i don't want to talk shit on adoption because i think it's fucking amazing and i would totally do it and like but this is your kid you can't sue the fucking city for a million dollars because something went wrong when he was fucking 17.

[799] Well, also, this is just, this seems, I would love to know like what, what kind of like a tax bracket of people were talking about.

[800] Yeah.

[801] Because it's like everybody's running to talk about how it's not their problem.

[802] It's not their fault.

[803] It's not their problem.

[804] It's not their fault.

[805] It's like, sorry, you guys are ground zero.

[806] Yeah.

[807] You touched his fucking head.

[808] You saw him raping a child.

[809] It's 100 % your problem.

[810] Nobody wants to take any responsibility for any part of this.

[811] And it's so frustrating.

[812] Remorse is something that we can all connect with.

[813] Remorse is something we can all like understand and feel.

[814] Even if it's shit that we would never do, it's like, I fucked up.

[815] I was, you know, thinking wrong.

[816] I was crazy.

[817] it wasn't right.

[818] And like, yeah, that doesn't get you out of punishment, but it goes so far for so many things.

[819] Yeah, but you're talking about, you expect something from people who are fucking child rapists and killers.

[820] These aren't, these aren't noble, moral people in any way.

[821] Think of the kind of parents that would sue the city because their son was a murderer.

[822] Like those people - fucking 17 years too late.

[823] You couldn't have raised your kid right if that's your first fucking instinct.

[824] Yeah.

[825] No, it's no good.

[826] I totally remember that story and I'm it you know I'm really glad that you didn't talk about details because I feel like there was a time where I knew the details of what he did to her and I am glad I can't remember it right now I remember the news that I remember seeing the surveillance footage on the news I just want to like talk about this girl and how awful it was for her and like it's just so like the person at the fucking center of this while these people are fucking getting their appeals and suing the city and saying that like they walked away because they couldn't deal with what was happening.

[827] Yeah.

[828] And you know, none of it is fair to this fucking kid who didn't understand.

[829] That father, that's a hugely problematic family.

[830] Anybody that's up at 4 a .m. at a casino, they didn't, so why doesn't that guy have a room or a car?

[831] that those kids can be in like it doesn't make sense why are you taking your kid to Vegas to begin with but yeah and then also four in the morning yeah no child should be a week like that's that should there should be a system in in place where if you work at a casino and it's past 2 a .m. and you see anyone that looks younger than 18 there's immediately there's we name names we need you know we need driver's licenses we need action to be taken well the, I mean, the end of it is that there's a Cherise Iverson bill introduced after this that provides a fine and possibly jail time for anyone who fails to report a crime of the nature that led to the creation of the bill.

[832] So like unless, like, if someone dies and you don't tell on them, basically, you could get fined, which is like, fuck you.

[833] And then there's increased security in Nevada Casinos.

[834] New Vietta?

[835] And also they've increased security in their arcades in casinos which is like, well, your security guards could be fucking perverts, so that doesn't really do anything.

[836] Don't trust anyone.

[837] Yeah, I mean, you got to tighten up your game.

[838] There's not kids in casinos do not mix.

[839] I don't care what circus circus test told you.

[840] My dad took us to Circus Circus as a kid and it was like, go play fucking video games.

[841] That's what it's built for.

[842] Meanwhile, what the fuck?

[843] Like, it's, there's nothing about that that makes sense.

[844] In the thing we talk about a lot, which is like, I should have been killed mode.

[845] Yeah.

[846] I should have been kidnapped.

[847] I mean, I was a really cute kid, but like.

[848] You were pretty precious.

[849] I've seen pictures.

[850] Pretty darling.

[851] I should have been kidnapped and killed.

[852] Oh, yeah.

[853] Yeah.

[854] And I would have been if I was like, we had kittens in the van.

[855] I'd be like, fucking kitten.

[856] And even now, I'd be like, kitten?

[857] Maybe next week should be, that could have been me. Yeah.

[858] That's the one I wanted to do today.

[859] And I was like, I'm so excited.

[860] I got my 90s murdered.

[861] And I was like, 1985.

[862] God damn it.

[863] Let's do that next week.

[864] Okay.

[865] Next week is I should have, that should have been me. This could have been me. This could have been me. Or should have or whatever.

[866] Should have been.

[867] Yeah.

[868] This will be.

[869] No. This, God, no. When I write my autobiography and lie, it's going to be me. This totally almost could have maybe happen to me. Oh, I have a, I have Glenys's story, but we've gone so long now, I feel like.

[870] Should we save it for next week?

[871] Let's save it for next week.

[872] Let's have a, let's have a memorial real quick.

[873] Yeah, so somebody wrote on the Facebook page very earnestly, which I understand, the day that Michelle McNamara died, they posted a thing kind of saying, Karen of Georgia, you need to do an special episode about Michelle McNamara.

[874] And I understand where that was coming from.

[875] But I guess the thing I need that person to understand and everybody to understand is Michelle was a real person that I knew.

[876] And she was a friend.

[877] I've been friends with her husband for almost 30 years.

[878] It's not the kind of thing that's very easy to turn around and be, and podcast about as if it's some piece of news.

[879] It's, for me, it is a personal loss.

[880] I mean, in the way that I have a friend who is now a widower with a seven -year -old child, it's such a massive tragedy.

[881] And Michelle was such a brilliant woman.

[882] She was such a talented writer.

[883] She was so into everything that we're all into.

[884] And she made such great contents.

[885] She was an author.

[886] she wrote these really cool articles.

[887] You can find her old blog was called True Crime Diary, which we've talked about on the podcast before.

[888] But she also, it's very easy to find the article she wrote about the Golden State Killer, which was her terminology that she renamed the East Area Rapist and the original Nightstocker, the Golden State Killer, and she was writing a book on it.

[889] And it's just, it's such a massive loss.

[890] and it's such a real thing that's happening in our lives that it's not something that we can just kind of turn around and present as if it's something distant because it's not.

[891] So I loved Michelle and I love Patton and it's just an incomprehensible tragedy that is the kind of shit you just never.

[892] want to happen and that happens um so hug the people that you love tell the people that you love that you love them live the life that you want to live and um and just be cool to people i guess is what i would say that was beautiful that's on that and uh thanks for listening guys Thanks, guys.

[893] Well, always stays sexy.

[894] Always stay sexy.

[895] Bye.