Hour 1: The "First Name I Think Of" Metric

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[14] This is the Dan Levatore show with the Stugats podcast.

[15] Let's have this Devin Hester conversation because Stugats is in his wheelhouse in a couple of different places.

[16] And Hall of Fame, should you be in, should you not be in?

[17] This is something that it is rivers of content on God bless football.

[18] It is something that pays for Stugats' luxurious life because he likes talking about whether someone should be in the Hall of Fame or shouldn't be in a Hall of Fame.

[19] Football Hall of Fame, you treat with more respect than the Basketball Hall of Fame.

[20] Well, I do.

[21] I mean, they put the right people usually into the Football Hall of Fame.

[22] I mean, there are many people in the Basketball Hall of Fame that have no business being in a basketball Hall of Fame.

[23] As passionate as you've been in 18 months, it's for some reason mad that Joe Mauer, is a first ballot baseball Hall of Famer, but you don't complain a whole lot as far as I can remember about who is or isn't in the Football Hall of Fame.

[24] And this weekend, the Steve McMichael thing felt a little heartbreaking and generous and kind to somebody.

[25] I don't know how much of the audience knows who this person is, but seeing someone who was that kind of a menace ravaged by ALS and Bougchambi does great work with ALS.

[26] Tom Haberstro does great work with ALS.

[27] It is an uncommon prison of horror that you would not wish any of that among, on anybody you care about to have life slip away like that.

[28] So from his home, he was inducted into the Hall of Fame and it was just hard not to be ravaged by that, but that's not what you want to talk about.

[29] You want to talk about another Chicago bear.

[30] You want to talk about Devin Hester kick returner.

[31] Should he be in the Hall of Fame?

[32] You say no. No, I think Devin Hester actually should be in the Hall of Fame.

[33] I think where he got carried away was during his speech.

[34] He said, hopefully this opens the door for guys like Josh Cribbs.

[35] Josh Cribs is not a Hall of Famer.

[36] Devin Hester, you are.

[37] Josh Cribs, you are not.

[38] Okay?

[39] He's not a Hall of Famer.

[40] And I will start caring about the Hall of Fame the way I care about the other Hall of Fame if Josh Cribs gets in because he has no business getting in.

[41] He's not a Hall of Famer.

[42] We talked about this with Siciliano earlier.

[43] Eric Metcalf is more deserving because of the other things he did of making it to the Hall of Fame than Josh Cribs.

[44] So Josh Cribs, Devin Hester, I'm telling you, I got caught up in the air, he got carried away.

[45] He did not mean that.

[46] And if he had the chance to take it back, he would.

[47] Wait, you don't think he was reading some prepared remarks?

[48] You think he erred by saying that that he just was.

[49] Why do you feel so strongly that Josh Cribs isn't and Devin Hester is?

[50] Because Devin Hester, I associate Devin Hester, with.

[51] the greatest kick returner, punt returner of all time.

[52] But what's the metrics that you're using, like your eyes or when you think?

[53] This is the metric.

[54] Because like Josh Cribbs, up until recently, Josh Cribbs had the most kickoff returns for touchdowns ever.

[55] You ask the metric, I'm going to answer, okay?

[56] When I think about punt returning and kick returning, the first name I think of is Devin Hester.

[57] That's not a metric.

[58] That's my metric.

[59] It's my metric.

[60] It's my metric.

[61] But like, Josh Cribs is pretty high up.

[62] First thing I think.

[63] Don't you think it's a pretty good standard for no matter of the position, even if you're a specialist, that if over the course of an era, you were at one of the first or two names that people would rattle off, you should be a Hall of Famer regardless of the position.

[64] We're going to run into this with Adam Venetieri on the ballot.

[65] Hall of Famer.

[66] I think you should be a first ballot Hall of Famer.

[67] He should be a first ballot at Hall of Famer because the clutchness, the massive kicks, the fact that he was really good for a really long time.

[68] And over the course of an era, everybody would say that's the guy.

[69] But when I think kick returning, punt returning, the first name I think of is Devin Hester.

[70] The second one is Billy White Shoes Johnson.

[71] I mean, that's it.

[72] Billy White Shoes Johnson.

[73] I've never once thought about Josh Cribbs.

[74] Billy White Shoes Johnson, I think he kind of invented.

[75] You didn't think about Josh Cribbs like eight times when he was running it back for a touchdown?

[76] No, no. He was also into Andrews' Cincinnati.

[77] Silliano's Metcalf point, Josh Cribbs, I think, was a more impact player on offense than Devin Hesser was.

[78] Well -rounded, more well -rounded.

[79] Billy Whitechews -Johnson, I don't know if he invented the celebration or the spike, but I associated him with a knock -kneed dance of some sort that I believe, I think he sort of created the end zone celebration.

[80] Pioneer, yeah.

[81] But the metric that Stugats is using that is not a metric, which is when I think of kick returns, I think of Devin Hester, and therefore that's the only Hall of Famer.

[82] I'd like to put that off to the side for a second and return to it because I do like that, because I think I side with Stugats on this, your numbers be damned.

[83] Thank you.

[84] Because that's how people do the Hall of Fame.

[85] Like, that is how they do it.

[86] That's not how the voters do it.

[87] That's not people with...

[88] It's how they should be doing it.

[89] I mean...

[90] I'm not taking anything away from Devin Hester by saying guys like Brian Mitchell, guys like Josh Cribbs.

[91] They should be in this conversation, too, because they were, if you thought Hester was better, okay, but he wasn't much better.

[92] Okay, but I'd like to put this off to the side for a second and have a different conversation.

[93] I'd like to object vehemently to what you're saying about Adam Venetary.

[94] All I am willing to give you at the Hall of Fame for the Kickers is a place outback.

[95] Oh, man, that's disrespect.

[96] Really?

[97] With all due respect.

[98] With all due respect.

[99] Good question.

[100] Because red guys in there.

[101] I mean...

[102] No. They can put whoever they want in the Hall of Fame.

[103] I'm telling you, in my Hall of Fame, you get a guest house out back, you can have a bridge between the two places, a walkway, a skywalk of some sort if you want to put in some, if you'd like to put in a little airport, what is one of those treadmills that gets them from place to place?

[104] A walkway.

[105] No, a movie walkway, he's on.

[106] But you're out back, and you're closer to an outhouse than you are to a guest house.

[107] You guys don't play football.

[108] You're important.

[109] I'm not saying that the rules don't make you important, but you're not playing football.

[110] Go in the back.

[111] Even Mark Mosley?

[112] Everybody.

[113] He won an MVP.

[114] So all of you.

[115] He won an MVP.

[116] So you're anti -first ballot.

[117] I am telling, no, I'm anti -putting them in the place where the people collide.

[118] Put them in the back playing a different.

[119] So you're saying the structure itself is not connected to the house.

[120] It's connected by a walkway.

[121] By a breezeway.

[122] Hold on a second.

[123] They don't get a bust eater?

[124] They can have a bust, but it has to remain in the guest house.

[125] It can't come out in the front.

[126] Really?

[127] It's because they don't get hit?

[128] It's because they don't play football.

[129] Well, hold on a second now.

[130] So, like, is there going to be another house in the back for quarterbacks who now can't get hit?

[131] Like, in the future?

[132] Like, this generation of quarterbacks can't get hit.

[133] I didn't make the rules.

[134] Do they get?

[135] You are making the rules.

[136] I understand.

[137] I understand what you're saying.

[138] I'm asking a question.

[139] The quarterbacks get the master bedroom of the Hall of Fame house.

[140] They get the master bedroom.

[141] We say main bedroom now.

[142] Thank you.

[143] Primary bedroom.

[144] Yeah, Dan.

[145] My bad.

[146] My bad.

[147] My name.

[148] My main.

[149] I never spent your COVID nights looking.

[150] Looking at Zillow, apparently.

[151] Added to the list of places where I was unaware that we were using dirt.

[152] May I learn that for the rest of my career just like that.

[153] I'm learning it in real time.

[154] The main bedroom is what the quarterbacks get.

[155] Kickers, guest house.

[156] If you want to visit, walkway.

[157] You can bring your bus with you under your arm if you want.

[158] Can they visit the main house?

[159] The bus doesn't stay in the main house.

[160] Is there a pool?

[161] Is it a pool house?

[162] Over the walkway there's a pool They can be in the pool They could do So it's like the fresh prince of Belair Like where Hillary lived Yes What if a kicker wants to go to the main house Does the kicker need an invite from a quarterback?

[163] No they can visit the main house They just can't stay there They have the amenities Of the house It was a pretty sweet deal in Fresh Prince Pretty sweet deal They're adjacent Nobody else can get into the kicker's guest house Like it's not a place for anyone other than kickers What about long snappers?

[164] There are none of those in the Hall of Fame are there?

[165] That's a shame.

[166] Because if you're the greatest ever.

[167] They can be in the outhouse behind the kickers.

[168] The long snappers can be in the shed.

[169] They have collision contact.

[170] Like a lot of equipment.

[171] The shed is even better, Roy.

[172] Not so much anymore.

[173] The shed is even better because the outhouse, it's ancient.

[174] Does Ed Perry get in?

[175] Is it a wood shed?

[176] Wow.

[177] Right next to the wheatwhacker.

[178] If things go poorly inside the main house, they take them out behind the woodshed.

[179] Yeah, I got what you were doing there.

[180] Because Ed Perry was also TE3, TE2, sometimes.

[181] Yeah, but he can't be in the Hall of Fame for anything he did as a tight end.

[182] No, but as a long snapper, he was a name.

[183] That name can be in, I'm okay with what Roy is saying.

[184] When you think long snapping.

[185] Ryan Point Brand.

[186] The shed.

[187] There's some rust on it.

[188] Did Mike Leach put a kid in the shed once?

[189] I believe that was Craig James' son.

[190] Craig James' son.

[191] Complicated legacy.

[192] Well, that was, wait a minute, though.

[193] Yeah, that one was, I don't know what the real.

[194] story wears there, but I'm pretty sure Skipper or ESPN got sued by something that happened there.

[195] So good work, Billy.

[196] I'm pretty sure it's an outhouse that I have to put the long snappers in, but the long snappers aren't, it's empty.

[197] That's a shame.

[198] You'd agree that if you were the best at something, in NFL history, if I was the greatest long snapper in NFL history, I belong in that building or at least adjacent to the building.

[199] Wait, so the shed, who goes in the...

[200] The building that doesn't have a living facility, though the owners told us that there would be an assisted living facility over there and they had all sorts of fanfare and press releases and then the owners just up and decided hey we're not going to fund this anymore here's an amusement park instead an assisted living facility would go to some old players i don't know what position it is that they would play that would also be on the property but the shed what goes in the shed because i believe there are broadcasters and writers and others that are also in the football hall of fame who do we put in the outhouse there are no long snappers in the Hall of Fame.

[201] You're putting Peter King in the outhouse?

[202] I mean, that's Dan.

[203] What are you doing?

[204] Frank the Ford.

[205] I said, I was asking about the shed.

[206] I don't know whether I put shed.

[207] That's better?

[208] I think they all belong in the same building.

[209] I think people can read the plaques and realize, oh, this person didn't get hit that much.

[210] I will, in my own mind, take inventory of that.

[211] You got to get hit some.

[212] I understand Billy's point about the quarterback.

[213] They've changed it more.

[214] I don't mean to throw a wet blanket on this.

[215] But if you read about Bernie Khosar the other day and what football has done to his body.

[216] The quarterbacks deserve their spot in the Hall of Fame.

[217] The kickers got to go out back.

[218] Yeah.

[219] No, I think Billy's saying Mahomes, not a Hall of Fame.

[220] Well, I didn't know.

[221] Well, you said quarterbacks that are playing these days.

[222] No, I asked Dan if by his standards, players not getting hit.

[223] Tom Brady, they change the rules all for Tom Brady.

[224] So you're saying he shouldn't be in the Hall of Fame.

[225] That's a hotter take than his Simone Biles day today.

[226] I can't believe you're running with that take, you guys.

[227] You said, well, no, that's not what I'm saying.

[228] He said it.

[229] I heard him said.

[230] We all heard you say that.

[231] I heard you say it three times.

[232] Asking the questions.

[233] Just asking a question.

[234] I'm asking by your rules.

[235] If they should have a separate house.

[236] That's all I'm asked.

[237] You sent Tom Brady to the kickers' guest house.

[238] I would never.

[239] I would never.

[240] You said he doesn't get hit.

[241] No, I didn't say that.

[242] That is what you said.

[243] No, I said present -day quarterbacks.

[244] He's not present -day quarterback.

[245] He's going to play this season.

[246] You don't think he's going to come out of the booth and play this season?

[247] He feels like he might be.

[248] He kind of had a statement that was a little bit like, come get me. You and.

[249] Stugatts have been saying for five years he's coming back and now that I'm putting him in the Hall of Fame you're trying to take him out now he's done.

[250] No, because I want him in the main house.

[251] You're trying to put him in a separate house if he comes back.

[252] Those are the rules.

[253] If a team that is competing for a championship suffers a quarterback injury and we're not crazy about their backup situation Tom Brady essentially said in that situation, I'm open for business.

[254] It's amazing.

[255] Rock Purdy, you better work on your conditioning.

[256] That's the guy.

[257] If Dak gets hurt this season?

[258] He better not for his sake.

[259] Do we know what ever happened to the ownership stake in the Raiders?

[260] I don't think that was ever finalized.

[261] Did it ever finalized?

[262] I don't know.

[263] Because if it got finalized, it would be more complicated because he would have to divest.

[264] Jerry Jones is all in at his age.

[265] They start two and three and deck gets hurt.

[266] It's Belichick and Brady who are going to be coaching and quarterbacking your Dallas Cowboys.

[267] Five games into the season.

[268] Or maybe the 49ers.

[269] Summer's the best time to run the way you want dial it up with new challenges and programs and bring your workouts with you to make the most of outside sunny days stugats guess what what you know what you can do with peloton what get the app go outside ride a bike well i thought you ride peloton inside well you do you can ride peloton inside if it's a rainy day or if it's cloudy you just don't want to get outside maybe it's too hot it's summertime go outside i record a lot from my office with you and you've noticed it's sitting there yet it hasn't been used what now's the time summer's the best time to start that push stu gotz right can we do it together not on the same bike but we could join a class together.

[270] I used to do that.

[271] We used to have Guillermo Ton.

[272] I'd invite people.

[273] We'd all take a class together.

[274] Same time.

[275] So I think you're starting to get concerned about my health and my age, Billy.

[276] I sense that with you.

[277] We're beyond starting.

[278] Whatever road lies ahead.

[279] Your training starts here with Peloton Tread and Tread Plus.

[280] It's not just a bike, a treadmill, too.

[281] I'm going to go outside.

[282] I'm going to get in shape.

[283] I'm going to do it with Billy Gill.

[284] I want to be in your class.

[285] I want you to be my instructor.

[286] You don't want to spend more time with me. No, I can schedule a class and we can ride together.

[287] I won't be the instructor of the class.

[288] We can have.

[289] Camila could be our instructor.

[290] I like the Grateful Dead class.

[291] My daughter, she uses the Peloton.

[292] She was on it once, and an instructor who was playing Grateful Dead tunes.

[293] Let's do that.

[294] Okay.

[295] Why don't we go for a run?

[296] Outside, guided run.

[297] Peloton.

[298] Me and you, that's something we can do together.

[299] Okay.

[300] Turn on the app.

[301] Me and you, go outside.

[302] Enjoy the summer.

[303] Call yourself a runner with Peloton at one peloton .com slash running.

[304] All right.

[305] Don Lebertard.

[306] Did you watch me at NC State?

[307] I was all the CST.

[308] I don't have necessarily the mobility.

[309] but no one can see over the line like me. Michael, the ACC Network job is a good job.

[310] It's a stable job.

[311] I'm not ready to pack it in.

[312] I've got a lot of good football left in me. My footwork is underrated.

[313] I can step up in the pocket with the best of them.

[314] No one can scan the field like me. But wouldn't it be nice to be around the family more often and I have to worry about any injuries?

[315] Babe, just give me one more season.

[316] Still got...

[317] Tell you what?

[318] I'm not going to therapy.

[319] I'm not.

[320] therapy is not happening sorry you need to work on you there's one person pulling the rope for this family right here and it's Mike Lennon this is the Dan Levitar show with the Stugats McLevin actually had a take on Bill Belichick's media career that I hadn't really considered I know that this very busy schedule of his is really just him angling for his next job a public perception And McLevin had very inspired takes in that.

[321] He was like, well, this is a little strange at a dude that was so not media -friendly, just gets welcomed in with open arms, just be the guy.

[322] But can we trust you with football analysis?

[323] What's your agenda?

[324] Are you actually going to be critical?

[325] Are you only going to be critical of the jobs that you want?

[326] How is this going to work?

[327] I could trust Belichick.

[328] I mean, we've been trusting John Fox for years.

[329] The reason we're so excited as a coach with this resume is never available to broadcast.

[330] It was Parcells probably with the last one.

[331] No, but there has never been in the history of coaching, not Jimmy Johnson, not anybody.

[332] There's never been somebody who gets all the broadcasting jobs and gets to lord over with giant voice your every Sunday because he's in so many places and anyone he criticizes is going to get aggregated and feed the media machine on a job that you just saw how JJ Reddick used it.

[333] You could just dump a media career.

[334] No, I want to go do this.

[335] You kidding me?

[336] Like Bill Bel -J.

[337] J .J. Reddick was very critical often.

[338] He didn't really pull punches.

[339] Do we think a dude that wasn't media -friendly at all will give us what we're hoping for?

[340] Because Omaha has tapped into us.

[341] It's why I'm super excited to have Tom Brady's live thoughts as a game is happening because I've never had someone that great tell me what's happening.

[342] I've never had a coach this great way in week to week with five weekly appearances.

[343] Are you going to give me what I want, which is, you know, honesty?

[344] Okay, but let's parse this for a second, Stu Gutz, because we around here have been talking for a long time about what comparatively, to who Belichick and Brady are, all of the people who are dominating the media space, J .J. Reddick, Pat McAfee, whoever's coming in here, all the smoke, all of the people who coming in here, none of them have the pedigree that Manning has in the, football space and now content space.

[345] Brady has, because Manning's over here just making quarterbacks and receivers for Netflix.

[346] Like he's, Manning is being paid, God know, like 700 million over nine years for whatever he's going to make.

[347] And Belichick and Brady want in that game, like they want to be the ones who are the power brokers of not necessarily making all of the content, but Belichick is going to have his voice remain in the game, even though no one would give him the.

[348] power to run a franchise.

[349] He's going to remain relevant this season with whatever he's doing with media work that isn't to lose at this game he's playing where he's going to, he is going to control power and narrative through the media space to be able to see if he can get one of these good positions because he's not going to end his career the way.

[350] You think he's just going to wander away to do media the rest of his life?

[351] I mean, he's 14 wins away from becoming the all -time winning his coach in the history of the NFL.

[352] Now, this is all, look, man, these people are giant economies.

[353] They're not small economies.

[354] Well, maybe now that the Bank of Japan raised interest rates.

[355] It's all collapsing.

[356] Belichick's not doing what Brady and Manny are doing.

[357] No, Brady's all in.

[358] Belichick is renting.

[359] He's doing what Herm Edwards did.

[360] No, what these guys are all trying to do.

[361] Ruin Arizona State?

[362] Is control...

[363] Do you imagine Bill Belichick putting on one of those jerseys?

[364] They're trying to control money and power.

[365] like there and and no I think you're dead on with Belichick he's trying to keep himself in the game control the narrative and stay relevant until he gets a job so should but but if we're calling it out do you think that the consumer at large is going to meet Belichick's media uh media appearances as with any sort of skepticism with any sort of wondering what is your agenda here because it should be part of it because by all accounts he tried to get hired this offseason really wants to get this record really wants to keep coaching, but it's, none of the, this stuff is going to be met with skepticism.

[366] My point is, even if it is, it doesn't matter.

[367] Noise around Belichick, whether it's deflategate or not, like anything around Belichick in terms of noise that keeps his name every week with us talking about it.

[368] The, the idea that the giants have arrived at the media games, Stugats and the amount of work Belichick's taking on, like the amount he's taking on, he's going to be everywhere.

[369] I would say, though, that if, If you're aware of what his agenda is, that doesn't mean it's going to be less entertaining.

[370] In many respects, it could actually be more entertaining if you think that he has an agenda.

[371] I'll take a recent experience.

[372] Jesse Marsh was covering U .S. men's national team soccer games.

[373] He wanted Greg Burhalter's job.

[374] Everybody knew they didn't like each other.

[375] And it made for really captivating content because you knew come halftime, if they were level at zero with Jamaica, Jesse Marsh was going to take a big steaming shit all over Greg Burrhalter's performance, and he did it, it was great.

[376] So you'll be watching on a weekly basis to see who Belichick is unfairly criticizing because that's the job he wants.

[377] Or fairly.

[378] I'm coming out on the other end of this.

[379] No, it has to be unfairly for you to have.

[380] As long as we can all acknowledge, because he's lived a pretty charm of existence in the media space because everyone's just excited to have him here, wondering how this is going to work out.

[381] But if we're all acknowledging that there is a bias and he's going to be going for certain jobs that he likes.

[382] I'm in on this.

[383] Be great if the Cowboys are 3 -0 and he's like, I'm McCarthy.

[384] They should have won that game by 40.

[385] You think he's going to go after coaches?

[386] I feel like he's going to do that coaching fraternity stuff where he doesn't really take shots at any of the coach.

[387] Well, we're going to be curious to find out.

[388] The part that I find interesting about the economy of this, Stugats, because I'm listening the other day at 3 o 'clock in the afternoon and Rich Gannon is doing a show on satellite radio because football breeds just a giant economy of stuff where Charlie Weiss is over here doing something because you can get these guys paid for anything.

[389] The idea that we're headed into a football season that can feel like pro wrestling because it doesn't matter what the content is as long as you're supplying it.

[390] Monday ratings are giant everywhere.

[391] What did Belichick say?

[392] What did Brady say?

[393] The Patriots are going to dominate football while not being in it.

[394] Like they're going to be able to control everything that's being spoken about because they don't have to go to satellite radio where Rich Gannon is.

[395] They get all the best jobs and all the best platforms and Brady's coming in.

[396] I'll give you three hours on Sunday.

[397] I'll give you a guest hit here and there and you're going to pay me $375 million to do it.

[398] I can't believe we're at that part of the timeline.

[399] When I was growing up and all these old Steelers had TV jobs.

[400] I was wondering, like, what did they do?

[401] And then in the 90s, Jimmy, Michael Irvin, Aikman, they started getting all theirs.

[402] We're at that part of the Patriot story now, where they're getting the jobs.

[403] But for now.

[404] But until they both come back and went to Super Bowl together.

[405] With the Cowboys.

[406] With the Cowboys.

[407] With the Cowboys, yes, bringing Jerry Jones into the mix.

[408] All in.

[409] It is all professional wrestling now, though.

[410] Like, they can change.

[411] They've all realized what the media can do for them after not, not, not, having a relationship.

[412] These two guys, after not having much of a relationship for 20 years with the media, when they show does anything.

[413] They don't have to join the media anymore.

[414] They create the media.

[415] They are the media.

[416] The Calses are their own media, their own entity.

[417] They control whatever it is, messaging that they want to get out there.

[418] It's in their control.

[419] Yeah, but the part that's ingenious about this, though, is that you know how fascinated we are with the gossip, drama, and transaction.

[420] You've got a coach lording over the proceedings who couldn't get a job who's 14 victories from being the winningest coach of all time.

[421] There's no way that he sits out the rest of his career.

[422] He's going to be looking for a prime spot.

[423] And on top of that, you have the absurdity of a 45 -year -old quarterback every time he talks to Jim Gray saying, I'm never going to say never.

[424] And it's like, what?

[425] What?

[426] So Brady's going to feel the itch.

[427] 11 games into the season he's going to say, I don't know.

[428] Somebody's seven.

[429] Jared Gough went down.

[430] Somebody's seven and four and they're close and I can just get in there and play seven games.

[431] Kim Brock, Purdy throw a slant if he's looking over his own shoulder.

[432] That's going to be hanging over the whole season.

[433] You know, Brady's like really regretting that one because the Niners made overtures.

[434] Like, damn, I could have done it against Mahomes again.

[435] I picture he wishes he had that one.

[436] back well he could get it back like here i am downing him out like oh you missed your window time one hit away your windows for all i know five years more from now it's going to happen it's going to be brady and bellichick and dallas and their season's going to be ended by one of those kickers that i wouldn't put in the outhouse behind the hall of fame when you're hiring for your small business you want to find quality professionals that are right for the role that's why you have to check out linkedin jobs linkedon jobs have as a tools to help find the right professionals for your team, faster and for free.

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[450] Common thread was Stugatch chumming it up with Aaron Rogers.

[451] Yep.

[452] I mean, I met my quarterback.

[453] Yeah, as you know, as you know.

[454] Stugats didn't talk to Aaron Rogers.

[455] Sugats thought country music superstar Jake Owen was Aaron Rogers.

[456] They had a 20 -minute conversation.

[457] Identical twins.

[458] I mean, Jesus.

[459] Stugats.

[460] Listen, I will never have the relationship with Aaron Rogers that I have with the guy that I thought was Aaron Rogers.

[461] I mean, that is the greatest conversation I've ever had with my cornerback.

[462] Levitar show with the Stugats.

[463] I don't know about you guys, but I love the original Beetlejuice movie, and I'm very much looking forward to Tim Burton's reprisal.

[464] There aren't many of these that I look forward to, because most sequels that are made are not for me, and I tend to generally say, oh, don't make another one of those.

[465] You got it right the first time.

[466] But it's got a ton of star power.

[467] They're trying to do it big with Winona Ryder and Willem Defoe and Michael Keaton's going to come back and Justin Thoreau is a part of it.

[468] Like they're not messing around with what they're trying to do.

[469] And for people of a certain age, that movie, quirkily made, is hard to understand how it gets made, if not for the giant creativity of all the things Tim Burton is.

[470] Because you just saw something come to life in the original that was unlike most movies you'd ever seen, as most Tim Burton movies are.

[471] But how do you guys feel in general about Beetlejuice being reprised?

[472] I'm super excited for Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice.

[473] I won't say it one more time.

[474] But my wife and I watched this movie annually.

[475] It was a brief re -release in a local theater, and we went, and that's how we celebrated Halloween, watched a re -release of Beetlejuice.

[476] This is very high on the rewatchability rankings for me. It's a very original film in Michael Keaton's performance, and it brings it all the way home.

[477] In a moment of vulnerability, I had a moment of vulnerability, I had.

[478] this with Mike the other day when I hadn't seen Twister, the original, and I went to watch it and me and Mike bonded over the new, you know, the Twister.

[479] I haven't really seen Beetlejuice.

[480] Really?

[481] Yeah.

[482] I've seen like of it.

[483] Like I've seen like clips of it online and stuff, but I've never sat down and watched the actual movie.

[484] I'm embarrassed to admit this, but I hadn't watched Interstellar start to finish.

[485] I'd only watched bits and pieces.

[486] Yeah.

[487] I haven't had a reaction to a movie like that in my entire life.

[488] Not since Whitefang.

[489] I've told you that I cried during White Fang when Ethan Hawk is yelling at White Fang.

[490] Go on.

[491] Get out of here.

[492] Go!

[493] When he's trying to protect White Fang from everything.

[494] And I cried when I was a little kid then.

[495] I'm seeing that as a father of a daughter, Waterworks, Waterworks, tears streaming down my face.

[496] I think he's Sir Christopher Nolan now.

[497] Is he?

[498] He should be.

[499] If he's not, he should be.

[500] We haven't had a filmmaker come along like this, not since Tarantino.

[501] They're just like totally shocked.

[502] This is a, he's a genius.

[503] It is hard to believe.

[504] Not unlike Tim Burton.

[505] It is hard to believe the things that Christopher Nolan tackles in scope and size, the degree of difficulty is so far reaching as it's hard to fathom.

[506] I then watched something immediately afterwards called the science of interstellar.

[507] And let me tell you something.

[508] If you yourself haven't listened to Matthew McConae, try to explain interstellar travel to you while you're three gummies deep.

[509] How did you make, how did you?

[510] How did you make Beetlejuice about Interstellar, though, because we've got the...

[511] Well, he made it about Twister.

[512] Christopher Nolan's a CBE, by the way.

[513] What is that?

[514] So it is...

[515] CBE and OBE.

[516] Kind of like John Amici.

[517] John Amici's an OBE.

[518] He's OBE.

[519] Which one's better?

[520] Which one's better?

[521] OBE or CBE?

[522] Well, Christopher Nolan has a sir in front of his name, so I think CBE is better.

[523] So that's official knighthood?

[524] Yeah.

[525] They did that right now after I pounded the table for it.

[526] But again, though, we weren't talking about...

[527] bureaucracy there works way different.

[528] No, it's just the thread, Dan.

[529] Like, I had never seen Beetlejuice.

[530] I saw Twister and then Twister.

[531] So many in our audience are probably watching us right now, having not watched Beetlejuice.

[532] Because, you know, if you're younger, Tony's younger, and he missed doubt on that.

[533] Don't circle back to it.

[534] It holds up practical effects.

[535] And I got very excited when I read that this movie is going to bring back practical effects.

[536] Everything is so CGI these days.

[537] Mike, the combination of, gummies and I was talking about Beetlejuice and you decided to make it about interstellar and Christopher Nolan.

[538] And something called Whitefang.

[539] Go ahead and check out the therapy couch.

[540] You've been a little, you've been uneven lately.

[541] You've, uh, you're somehow you want to be with us, but you don't want to be with us topically.

[542] You want to go off on your own.

[543] No one wants to be with me. I mean, I threw out the old NFL vets that were promised something and then, I guess hadn't read it.

[544] Like, the owners just said, Dad, we'll take all the fanfare.

[545] All right, fine.

[546] I was trying to chum the waters.

[547] I didn't even believe I didn't even believe in that Bill Belichick segment I had no belief in it All right therapy couch Therapy couch talk to the therapist all about it And thank you for all of your good work around here As I will ask the I will ask the rest of the crew Do you have a movie that you would give me That you're embarrassed that you cried during?

[548] You didn't know what was going on in your life You just started crying and you wouldn't want to admit it This is a question I love asking the toughest of our athletes For many years to God's like a movie that might surprise us that you cried during because I'm a shame to admit there's legitimate shame as I say this but years ago at least in part because of the time in my life I don't even remember the scene Ratatooie got me I started yeah it got me I was just watching Which part?

[549] I don't even remember it was just When he's tasting the ratatooie I don't know spoiler alert You taste the ratatoo That's the whole movies He's tasting the ratatooey Takes him back to his childhood then I really don't even remember the scene I just remember the shame involved with How is it that this damn cartoon got me I'm alone in my house.

[550] I'm 47 years old.

[551] Like, what is happening here?

[552] A cartoon rat.

[553] It's happened into something, though.

[554] As you get older, man, those things happen.

[555] Does it happen to you?

[556] Do you have one?

[557] I've laughed at like sitcoms.

[558] I've laughed at, you know, I've watched full house and I laugh at a speech that.

[559] But laugh?

[560] I'm not talking about it.

[561] I'm sorry.

[562] I've cried when Bob Sagitt is having a serious conversation with the kids on full house.

[563] And music plays.

[564] It's a pretty bad precedent.

[565] It brings me back to a time.

[566] It's weird.

[567] It's a pretty good idea, I thought.

[568] And I've been wanting to talk ACCC for three months.

[569] months and no one will let me. It's just I'm running out of, running out of patience and I'm generally hurt by it.

[570] I came in with, like, I was really bought in on the, on the team type atmosphere we were trying to build today.

[571] You were saying, Stegas.

[572] The last dance is another movie.

[573] I cry every single time.

[574] I'm embarrassed.

[575] But when Jordan wins that sixth and, you know, he's hobbling around and you know it's the last dance.

[576] You know, everyone knew it was the last dance.

[577] That's what the name of the movie is.

[578] Right.

[579] It just makes me weep.

[580] It does.

[581] I mean, he retired too early.

[582] I mean, We were robbed.

[583] We were.

[584] Roy, do you have something that you have cried during a movie that you would admit to us that would bring some shame to you?

[585] I see your eyes are darting around.

[586] Are you trying to decide whether you have had it happen or whether you're trying to deflect because you're always big, tough, bravado guy who never cries?

[587] I know what the movie is.

[588] It's soul, the Jamie Foxx, a pixel movie.

[589] What happens?

[590] Well, I mean, Jamie Fox's character dies and he's trying to get back in the world world, that sort of thing.

[591] I mean, that was a pretty emotional movie.

[592] Spoiler alert.

[593] Someone died.

[594] Did this have any of a Beatles used, Dan?

[595] Is that what you're asking?

[596] No. Oh.

[597] Did you have one for us?

[598] Do you have a...

[599] I'm trying to think of the last time I cried in a movie.

[600] Maybe the Gerard Butler vehicle, P .S. I love you.

[601] Really?

[602] Yeah.

[603] Yeah, because he leaves her a video and a note because he's dead.

[604] Right?

[605] And then she opens the note and reads it and that has the video and then he sets up very...

[606] The plot holes in the movie, you know, they come to...

[607] life after you've seen it for a little bit?

[608] Not a great movie.

[609] It's like, how does this guy a year in advance set up all these different things for his wife, for his girlfriend, whatever it was?

[610] But there was a moment that got me here.

[611] But that movie, it seems like the idea of that movie is to make you cry.

[612] Is it not?

[613] I think Dan's looking for a movie where you weren't expecting to cry that you actually started crying.

[614] I don't think I've cried in any other movie.

[615] Huh?

[616] Ever?

[617] Ever?

[618] Like P .S. I Love You at like 17 really got me?

[619] That was kind of it.

[620] College game day?

[621] Renaldi, weekly tears.

[622] Weekly tears, yeah.

[623] How about Rudy?

[624] I mean...

[625] Never seen Rudy.

[626] What?

[627] You're actually not missing out.

[628] That's what I'm saying.

[629] I've gone this far without it.

[630] Like, I'm good.

[631] Rudy's not that good.

[632] Rudy, one of the most overrated movies.

[633] It's a proper game, if you want to be honest.

[634] Yeah, but when the custodian, he finally gets into a game and the custodian who housed him inside the stadium, says, I'll be there if he ever play.

[635] He lived inside the stadium?

[636] He did.

[637] He lived in the custodian's office.

[638] Not Rudy.

[639] No, not Rudy.

[640] Well, he did.

[641] He let him stay there for a little bit.

[642] He gave him the key.

[643] He left him the key, you remember.

[644] And then Rudy finally plays, and he's walking out, and he's fist pumping.

[645] If you're not crying then, man, I'm telling you.

[646] You're not alive.

[647] Rudy is overrated.

[648] Wow.

[649] Propaganda film.

[650] I put it on the poll, please, Juju, at Lebitard show.

[651] Is Rudy a propaganda film?

[652] Is it not?

[653] What's the argument against it?

[654] I'm not.

[655] You don't think it's overrated.

[656] I'm saying it's both overrated and a propaganda show.

[657] Is it not?

[658] I'm saying it's both overrated and a propaganda.

[659] to film, it's ridiculous, it's total nonsense, and it's just people want to believe in Notre Dame, and you can hit all the heartstrings with all the sports things by just putting an underdog in there and telling a story that would never happen.

[660] That would never happen in that form, that wouldn't be true in any way, and would just be almost entirely fraudulent to lift up the spirit that all of us want to believe in, which is the tiny guy, wouldn't get totally trampled and have all his ligaments torn by a giant athlete's cement mixer rolling over him.

[661] And Vince Vaughn as a football player?

[662] Yeah.

[663] Well, thank you for bringing up Vince Vaughn.

[664] Did any of you bring or see him on Hot Ones?

[665] Hot Ones is one of the great simple ideas in the history of television.

[666] It is so smart.

[667] It is for sale or has it been already sold?

[668] It seems like a great, just an inspired idea.

[669] There are not many of these that we have had an easy, recreatable idea that celebrities all want to be a part of to market their latest thing and they just sit in front of the host whose name escapes me, and they eat hot things and then try to get through the interview.

[670] What did, what happened with Vince Vaughn?

[671] Conan O 'Brien has resurrected himself for all to see in a way that was not, not I love him and he never went anywhere for me, but on hot ones, a whole lot of people discovered Conan O 'Brien.

[672] So BuzzFeed, I think, has been taking in offers because they're trying to sell hot ones.

[673] Hot ones, great concept, great light watching.

[674] it appears on fast channels.

[675] We appear on a fast channel on Draft King's Network.

[676] There's an entire fast channels dedicated to just Hot Ones re -airs.

[677] And I've been watching some of those things.

[678] But Vince Vaughn made news because he was recently on an episode of Hot Ones.

[679] He's promoting an upcoming show that he did with our good friend Bill Lawrence on Apple TV that I'm excited to see.

[680] So they, as you do during Hot One, Sean's asking you a question and you respond while you're eating very spicy foods.

[681] Did Bill Lawrence ever come here with Vince Vaughn?

[682] Before I left, I was told Vince Vaughn may show up today.

[683] And then we were just waiting around.

[684] And then Roy said, no, he may come up at some point in the next few weeks.

[685] So Vince Vaughn did not appear last week.

[686] We have a range of dates now.

[687] September 3rd through the 5th is the date that Apple gave him.

[688] Okay.

[689] We got double -hooked.

[690] We couldn't have them in today.

[691] We have a Beetleju segment that we're doing.

[692] Regardless, you were saying, Mike.

[693] So he was asked about R -rated comedies.

[694] And Vince Vaughn, I mean, he had a great epic run in R -rated comedies about 20 years ago and everybody got really close like wedding crashers too got close to to being made and I think right before they were about to start production on it they decided we're not going to do this so we've all been wondering where the great R -rated comedy is going and a lot of people kept using the same excuse the times have changed everyone's PC but it's two different letters put together that Vince Vaughn was really concentrating at and he put it on IP that Hollywood is obsessed with IP so here's Vince Vaughan.

[695] on Hot On Hot On, explaining why those great R -rated comedies are no more.

[696] Hollywood, no longer making the kinds of R -rated, wide -release, theatrical comedies that were such a tower of strength in your career.

[697] How have you seen Hollywood's interest in making those kinds of films change over the course of your career?

[698] And what do you think are the forces at play?

[699] Well, they just overthink it.

[700] And it's like, it's crazy.

[701] You get these rules.

[702] It's like if you did geometry and you said 87 degrees was a right angle, then all your answers were messed up.

[703] of 90 degrees so there became some idea of concept like they would say something like you have to have an IP right so for some reason battleship which is like a game we used to play like a graph became a vehicle for storytelling do you know what I mean yeah I know it's so weird yeah whereas like an IP like John Hughes from our neck of the woods right and IP was a girl's turning 16 like every girl turns 16 or I'm going to cut school you know life situations or old school what if I got to go back and, you know, be in a fraternity now at this stage of the game.

[704] The people in charge don't want to get fired more so than they're looking to do something great.

[705] So they want to kind of, you know, follow a set of rules that somehow, like, it's set in stone that don't really translate.

[706] But as long as they follow them, they're not going to lose their job because they can say, well, look, I crunched the numbers.

[707] Yeah, I made a movie off the board game payday.

[708] So you can't, even though the movie didn't work, you can't let me go, right?

[709] people want to laugh people want to you look at stuff that feels a little bit like it's you know dangerous or pushing the envelope and I think you're going to see more of it in the film space sooner than later would be my guess the music underneath yeah a bit much right dramatic yeah eat some wings rudy -esque make me laugh make me a bicycle clown a bit much I mean what is he talking about seriously so you guys weren't listening to anything he was saying it's a bit long I mean it trailed off there at the end did you not The music had to be there just to keep me focused on something, right?

[710] Okay, so you stopped listening the way that, Roy, what were you laughing about during the end of what Vince Vaughan was saying?

[711] Stugat said in my ear, what was he talking about?

[712] Which is what he repeated on it.

[713] Yeah, well, they weren't listening, and so the music distracted.

[714] You also have 14 seconds of attention span.

[715] Yeah, he's great.

[716] Well, he said something interesting there that I don't.

[717] He did?

[718] Yes, well, you weren't listening, Stugan.

[719] It's confusing.

[720] A needle in a haystack, you know?

[721] In the middle of it, he did say that the leadership that we are presently seeing throughout creativity is a bunch of people who don't want to get fired instead of people who are trying to make something great, which brings us all around to the original Beetlejuice and Tim Burton, who dares to make great things.

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