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[4] Hello, Alex.
[5] How are you?
[6] I'm good, Conan.
[7] This is awesome.
[8] Hey, Sona.
[9] Hi.
[10] Okay, I'm, I just have to comment on this because I'm looking at Alex.
[11] You're, of course, all listening, but Alex is, I think it's fair to say, this is a very handsome man. Yeah, yeah, this is.
[12] You were taking it back by it.
[13] I kind of noticed that you saw him And you were like, oh.
[14] It's not my fault.
[15] We're on, we're on, we're on, we're on Zoom.
[16] And I just before, I got rattled for a second and just instinctively tried to kiss him.
[17] And then realized, what's the Zoom?
[18] I know.
[19] A little hard, yeah, with the computer screen and the internet and the cables and stuff.
[20] Yeah.
[21] And then there's the whole wife.
[22] And she's like, well, what's that all about?
[23] And I'm like, well, come on.
[24] You always, you always, you always, you always suspected, you know.
[25] And then.
[26] Also just very inappropriate to just meet someone right away and then just try to kiss that.
[27] Oh, you hear that.
[28] kind of weird.
[29] I consider it brave.
[30] It's popular in Europe.
[31] Okay.
[32] Let's get to the crux of the matter, Alex, here.
[33] Fine -looking fellow, and you look like you're wearing like safari gear.
[34] Constantly.
[35] I looked at the available wardrobe options in life and said, full Steve Irwin, let's go.
[36] That's cool.
[37] You have a Steve Irwin.
[38] You have a Steve Irwin vibe.
[39] And also, I'm looking at your room behind you, and is that, I mean, it looks like you've got really cool stuff.
[40] It looks like you're living in a very cool space.
[41] Yeah, this is our house.
[42] It's built 1918, so zero insulation.
[43] But we filled it with this weird.
[44] My wife is a very patient woman.
[45] I've just filled it with my brain everywhere.
[46] So she puts up with a lot.
[47] Got it.
[48] Very nice.
[49] Now, tell us what you do.
[50] First of all, what part of the world are you in?
[51] What do you do?
[52] Tell us about yourself.
[53] I'm in Sonoma, California, and I'm an anthropologist and professional safari guide.
[54] Oh, you are a safari guide.
[55] Hence this, oh, so the safari gear is, yeah, you've earned it.
[56] It's not an affectation.
[57] You are a safari guide so that you should be having and owning clothes like that.
[58] Where do you lead safaris?
[59] Mostly South Africa.
[60] Oh.
[61] Have you been?
[62] I've never been to South Africa.
[63] I've never been on a safari.
[64] I've never seen any, you know, African animals.
[65] I'm intrigued by the whole thing.
[66] Tell us what that's like.
[67] So how long have you been doing this for?
[68] So I kind of backpedal, I guess.
[69] I've been doing this for about five years, but I've been working in the public speaking arena as a park ranger for about 10 years off and on.
[70] I started with the California State Parks, eventually just decided, because it's been like a lifelong obsession, Africa is where I want to go.
[71] You know, as a kid, it was always African stories, African movies, African adventure tales, that kind of stuff.
[72] Also, I mean, they just win in every animal category.
[73] 100%.
[74] You can't be that.
[75] Yeah, like, what are you going to?
[76] Oh, look, there's another brown bear.
[77] You know, there's, if we, oh, look, there's the same kind of snake we saw two days ago and the day before that.
[78] You know, it gets old.
[79] But in Africa, you've hit the jackpot, right?
[80] Well, it's, I think it's perspective.
[81] Because if people from there came here, they'd be like, oh, my God, a bear, but.
[82] No, they wouldn't.
[83] No, they wouldn't.
[84] Yeah, I don't know if they would.
[85] Yeah, I don't know if they would.
[86] No, they wouldn't.
[87] Elephant, bear.
[88] Yeah, anyone who grew up seeing elephants, bears, rhinos, giraffes.
[89] I'm sorry, you say it's perspective, but it's not.
[90] They would come here and go, oh, look, a squirrel, how terrifying.
[91] And then they would laugh in our faces.
[92] They have squirrels in Africa.
[93] Yeah.
[94] Yeah, but I think they're 60 feet tall.
[95] They are.
[96] They're actually known for that, and big, sharp teeth.
[97] Yes, they're more of a velociraptor than a squirrel there.
[98] But anyway, so, okay, so you lead these tours, and you are, what's that like?
[99] I mean, you're taking people, I've never been on one, I've always wanted to go, but are you the guy that's driving the Land Rover with no, you know, hood on it?
[100] I mean, no ceiling on it, roof.
[101] Are you the one that's driving the Land Rover right up to the Rhino?
[102] Like getting a little too close?
[103] Totally.
[104] I started doing that and then have now evolved to very smartly.
[105] And March of 2020 started my own Safari company.
[106] Great time to start a travel company.
[107] So kind of shifted roles.
[108] from being primarily the guy driving the truck to now it's more of a hosting role.
[109] My job is to entertain the guests, make them feel comfortable, happy, you know, just bring them through their whole experience.
[110] But ultimately, yeah, the guy physically driving the car and showing people wildlife.
[111] And I have to say, I've learned so much about doing my job from listening to you guys on this podcast.
[112] Because when you guys start talking about comedy and stand -up, I'm like, all of that is exactly what I'm doing.
[113] Because it's all based in live performance.
[114] You're in front of people.
[115] and it's making people happy.
[116] It's making people engaged and, you know, try to laugh at something or feel like they're being interchanged.
[117] So I've learned a hell of a lot about my job from you guys.
[118] Okay, I have to say, Alex, no one has ever said that they've learned anything from this podcast.
[119] I'm the first thing.
[120] And I think this is a real mark of your low character.
[121] It is.
[122] How am I going to...
[123] Oh.
[124] No, I'm sorry.
[125] I just...
[126] So, I mean, do you get scared when you're driving up to these incredibly unpredictable animals that can kill you in half a second.
[127] Do you have fear or no?
[128] No, I'm going to go with the macho answer.
[129] No, I have no fear.
[130] Sure.
[131] I mean, it's once you get comfortable around big animals that you start to realize you can read patterns, you can read their behaviors, you know, they're just like us.
[132] So it's more about personal space at that point.
[133] Like you don't want to get right up next to something.
[134] If you don't have to, you've got to read what it's doing.
[135] It's hard to translate to people that have maybe never seen it because, you know, you're talking about a 10 ,000 pound elephant, and people automatically are like, oh my God, that's the scariest thing I've ever seen in my life.
[136] But it's also the most majestic thing you've ever seen.
[137] And now I'm going to take you in a car and get as physically as close to it as I possibly can just to freak you out.
[138] Because if I've got my A game on, I'm reading the animal and understanding what's happening while still giving it enough space to feel comfortable.
[139] Have you ever completely misread an animal?
[140] Not yet.
[141] Okay.
[142] All right.
[143] Like, you're like, trust me. I'm, this water buffalo is not vibing me at all.
[144] He seems really, whoa, I'm sorry.
[145] You're dead.
[146] I've had weird encounters.
[147] Like when I was at Guiding Academy, so that was two months of living in the bush in a small pup tent and total immersive experience.
[148] They want you exposed every single day to just anything that could go wrong.
[149] So snake in the tent, been there, done that.
[150] No water in camp, been there, done that.
[151] I got up one night to go to the bathroom, which we had like latrines built outside.
[152] And it was one of those moonlit nights you're under that just epic African starry sky.
[153] and, you know, spider senses tingle and you're like, what is that shadow?
[154] And I look, and there's just a lion standing there about eight feet away from me and we're both equally freaked out by each other.
[155] So it was this weird moment of like, I'm going to go my way if you go your way and I just zip the tent up and peed my pants.
[156] Oh, my God.
[157] Mission accomplished then.
[158] Yeah, either way.
[159] Either way.
[160] Yeah.
[161] Well, I'm sorry.
[162] My main question was going to be, did you eventually get to empty the urine?
[163] And he answered my question.
[164] So, I mean, so you've not been attacked, you've not been charged.
[165] You've pretty much had a charmed life as a safari guy.
[166] Well, no, that's not to say that.
[167] There's been situations that could get ugly fast.
[168] And everybody says animals, you know, animals, oh, that's a dangerous animal.
[169] And I'm like, is it though?
[170] I mean, any person could be dangerous.
[171] Instead, I'd rather call animals hazardous.
[172] And again, it's about reading them.
[173] So I've been in situations where we haven't, and I wasn't, on driving, but we haven't correctly read what was happening and been charged by things.
[174] And usually that's kind of a, hey, you're up in my business moment, that kind of thing.
[175] I've been stalked by leopards on foot.
[176] I've had crazy situations with rhinos.
[177] And it's more of like a, I don't know, it's like a gamble.
[178] Like you chose to be in that environment.
[179] So part of - I love how you're being kind of vague.
[180] You said crazy situations with rhinos.
[181] And you're not specific.
[182] So to me, that means maybe you got in on a timeshare with a rhino and it didn't financially turned out to be like a bad move and the rhino's like no i'm using it memorial day weekend and you're like no we talked about this you used it no this is completely you can't have memorial day and labor day and the rino's like hey what the fuck you know you didn't say anything so I'm assuming it wasn't a timeshare problem with the rhino that's usually the way it goes down no um my favorite and I don't know favorites a weird term there was in Guiding Academy of all things.
[183] We were out learning about guiding people on foot, which is a whole other experience because you're vulnerable, you're, you know, totally exposed.
[184] And our instructor stopped to look at a tree.
[185] And he's going on or not, it's an ancient leadwood tree.
[186] Leadwoods live for hundreds and hundreds of years.
[187] So he's talking about it and we're all fascinated.
[188] And then wasps started coming out of it and stung my leg, which felt kind of like having a cigarette lighter just shoved into your skin.
[189] Right.
[190] Right.
[191] So my leg starts swelling.
[192] I can't walk.
[193] And there's a saying in South Africa, which is TIA.
[194] This is Africa.
[195] Just go with it.
[196] So our instructor looked at my leg and went, TIA, we're going to go find a black rhino.
[197] So I'm hobbling on the trail to find this black rhino, which we did find.
[198] And I would have to say that's probably been the most frightening experience in my life.
[199] Because black rhinos...
[200] So you got...
[201] Okay.
[202] So, I'm sorry, keep going.
[203] Keep going.
[204] I didn't mean to interrupt me. No, no, no. Black rhinos are known for being a little bit more territorial, whereas a white rhino is going to be kind of chill most of the time.
[205] The joke is the chubby unicorn.
[206] So to find a black rhino on foot, totally exposed with a swollen leg with a wasp sting in it, I was like, if this dude freaks out, I'm not going to make it back to camp.
[207] My God, you are so cool.
[208] Well, no, listen.
[209] That is so, don't you want to, Conan, do you want to kind of want to be Alex a little bit?
[210] I was going a different way, Sona.
[211] I mean, I think Alex is cool, but I think I encounter dangers like that all the time.
[212] In my life.
[213] I, Alex, on my show over the years.
[214] Oh, my God.
[215] No, a celebrity comes out.
[216] I don't, I have to read that celebrity.
[217] I have to figure out, you know, is Will Ferrell, is Carmen Elektra, you know, are these people in the right mood?
[218] And they attack occasionally.
[219] You and I have both dealt with the exact same level of danger.
[220] I would say Harrison Ford has the exact same energy.
[221] is a grumpy rhinos.
[222] So you've done, yeah, you've basically done my job.
[223] He really does.
[224] And his skin is exactly the same.
[225] You know, it's very, very thick, leathery, and would make a really good couch.
[226] Oh my gosh.
[227] And the poaching of Harrison Ford's skin has been a major, it has been a major, yeah, and it's got to stop.
[228] We've got to save our Harrison Ford's.
[229] Their skin, do not buy a Harrison Ford coat.
[230] Don't get a Harrison Ford golf bag.
[231] Don't buy those Harrison Ford shoes you've been eyeing.
[232] We've got to stop it now.
[233] You seem like you live a thrilling existence.
[234] And I'm curious, of all the animals you've encountered in life, what's the one that frightens you most?
[235] Man. It gives you the most paws.
[236] Oh, for God's sake.
[237] I had to.
[238] We do suck.
[239] The most dangerous piece of all.
[240] Is it?
[241] No, of the, in the animal kingdom, which one frightens you the most?
[242] To be honest, baboons, they're, I mean, can I swear, they're just big, motherfuckers.
[243] They're insane.
[244] And I don't know if you ever heard one, but often in the morning is gorgeous in Africa.
[245] Just all the animals are making sounds.
[246] And then, you know, you're sipping your coffee, you're listening to the birds.
[247] There's lions off in the distance, you know, doing their, ooh, what kind of thing.
[248] And then you hear Christopher Walken just shouting into the woods.
[249] Because baboons, when they start shouting, sound exactly like Christopher Walker.
[250] and I can't get that image out of the air.
[251] Occasionally it's been proven to be Christopher Walker.
[252] It has.
[253] Yeah, he's out there.
[254] But they're just big, be -eyed.
[255] When I was last there just a few weeks ago, I was in a camp called Skakuza, which is kind of the main capital of the giant Kruger National Park.
[256] And I came around this corner, and there's just this huge, like as big as I am, six -foot, just baboon pummeling this smaller little baboon.
[257] And I'm just like, what is this?
[258] That's called the O 'Brien House.
[259] circa 1971.
[260] That's the Neil Baboon beating up on the Conan or Luke baboon.
[261] And that happened all the time.
[262] All the time.
[263] So again, there's no danger you've faced that I have not myself experienced.
[264] And I'm sorry, sorry.
[265] Now, Alex, my producer just texted me and said that you once wrote into our show or tried to somehow participate in my late night show.
[266] Is that correct?
[267] I did.
[268] So 10 years ago, you guys did a segment called Fan Corrections.
[269] Yes.
[270] And this has always been a story, and I'm sure you hear this all the time, but it's been a story that I'm like, if I ever get to talk to Conan, I want to tell him this story, which is, you guys did that segment, fan corrections.
[271] And this guy And let me explain to anyone who doesn't know.
[272] Fan corrections was me boasting that our show was pretty much mistake proof.
[273] And I dared fans to find errors on our show.
[274] So they would find things in sketches that didn't line up historically or didn't quite make sense and they would try to prove that I was wrong and then we would always cheat and shoot something that proved that we were actually right and then we would mock the fan for writing in.
[275] It's why I have no fans anymore.
[276] Anyway, tell me what your fan correction story is.
[277] Well, whoever wrote in, whatever it was, it was about Beethoven.
[278] So you got up and you said, we can't be wrong.
[279] We've got rare archival foot.
[280] of Beethoven in Vienna in 1820.
[281] And me being the super nerd that I am, I was like, I can't not point this out.
[282] Because, you know, I'm thinking, if I was a producer, I'm going to look for who's got something different to say.
[283] So I'm thinking, I'll correct the correction.
[284] So I, you know, I'm thinking like, okay, the film camera wasn't invented until 1832 in France by Joseph Neips.
[285] And the, no, the standard camera, the film camera was invented until the 1870s by Thomas Edison.
[286] Right.
[287] So I thought, here's what I'm going to do.
[288] I'm going to make a video and I'm going to just try to outline that.
[289] And the video was absolute garbage.
[290] Just looking at it, I'm like, this is pathetic.
[291] I see why you guys didn't pick it.
[292] But I was in my dad's library, which faces our neighbor's house.
[293] And I'm trying to record this video.
[294] And the whole time I'm doing it, there's this alarm that keeps going off.
[295] And I can see people across the fence line shuffling around.
[296] And I'm just getting really frustrated because they're ruining every take I'm trying to record.
[297] You're trying to record something for the Conan O 'Brien show, which is of paramount importance, and your neighbors have an alarm going off, which is very annoying.
[298] Yeah, so I'm there just getting more and more frustrated, and you can see it in the end product of the video.
[299] It's total crap.
[300] But long story short, my neighbor's house was being robbed.
[301] Oh, my God.
[302] And I watched the entire robbery and could identify everybody and did nothing because I was upset about trying to record this bit for your show.
[303] Oh, my God.
[304] The police even showed up and they were like, does anybody know anything?
[305] And I didn't want to come forward because I thought I'd go to jail.
[306] Oh my God.
[307] So a crime was committed right in front of you and you did nothing.
[308] Absolutely nothing.
[309] Because you thought it was more important to get a fan video into submission for our show.
[310] Yep.
[311] That's how dedicated I was.
[312] Oh.
[313] I wonder worldwide how many crimes have gone unsolved, unstopped, because we were engaging people in idiocy.
[314] And otherwise they would have said, no, no, no, stop this right now and saved a lot of, or that warehouse looks like it's starting to catch fire.
[315] But, you know, I'm going to wait 40 minutes because I've got to make this stupid tape of me with the masturbating bear for the Conan contest, you know?
[316] Wow.
[317] Probably dozens of experiences worldwide, dozens.
[318] I think hundreds of thousands, hundreds of thousands.
[319] No, dozens.
[320] I think dozens.
[321] Tens.
[322] Tens.
[323] A few.
[324] Two, I think this is a handful.
[325] Yeah.
[326] Wow.
[327] So, Alex, how often do you go a year or two?
[328] When's the season to go?
[329] If I were to go with you to South Africa, when would I go?
[330] June through November, mostly.
[331] Okay.
[332] And that's, so this is kind of a tricky question to answer.
[333] I like summertime.
[334] In fact, my whole goal is to never see snow and ice again in my entire life, except for the ice in my gin and tonic.
[335] but people want to go.
[336] Wow, Sona, I'm sorry, Alex, Sona is laughing at every single joke you make.
[337] I do that when, I'm sorry, because you're handsome, Alex.
[338] I laugh at everything a handsome person says.
[339] Even if it's a good -looking woman or a good -looking man, I'll just laugh.
[340] I just want to point out, Sona, that you're married.
[341] I am.
[342] With two children.
[343] And with two children and TAC, and here you are, like, you know, Alex will say things like, yeah, well, any who, and you'll be like, any who.
[344] You sound a bit jealous.
[345] Don't be jealous.
[346] You're so, yeah, you are a little, you're so angry right now because you have to work so hard for it.
[347] I'm as angry as the black rhino.
[348] Ooh, boy.
[349] You know what, you can read, I know you can read every kind of beast, Alex.
[350] Look at me right now.
[351] You see that I feel threatened comedically.
[352] I can see it in your eyes.
[353] Yeah, and so if I were you, I'd give me space.
[354] I'd back up that range roe over another 15 feet.
[355] I'd get out of here because...
[356] What are you going to do?
[357] exciting everybody.
[358] No, no, no. No. What am I going to do?
[359] Sona, you've seen me charge.
[360] You've seen me tackle three writers at a time.
[361] Yes.
[362] I'm a monster.
[363] That's true.
[364] Yeah, you are.
[365] Much larger.
[366] You're a baboon.
[367] I'm a baboon.
[368] This is really cool, Alex.
[369] I would love to go on a safari.
[370] You've got me psyched about this, you know?
[371] I want to do it.
[372] I think you'd be a lot of fun on Safari, quite honestly.
[373] You'd need SPF like 10 ,000 because the African Sun would probably let you on fire, I think you would really enjoy it because I would get a giant hat like a really big hat pith helmet like an oversized one you need a big hat with the net with the netting that hangs off of it you know on the side oh that's not cool it's a bit colonial okay so it's a bad it's no longer PC well I'm just saying like it's a look it's a dated look right right you'll look you'll look dumb is what you're saying well I'm trying to be nice about it but I've definitely I'll I'll definitely take people out who've shown up in Pith Helm and the tall knee -high leather boots and you're just like, guys, that's a bit overkill.
[374] Well, I see a future where you and I, and of course a doting sauna go off into the wild.
[375] You know, we're on the, we're out there and in southern Africa, we're out there on the savannah and we're risking life and limb to get closer to nature.
[376] I think that's going to happen.
[377] You're on fire.
[378] Honestly, I think you'd really enjoy it because to do a safari right.
[379] It's a weird, quirky academic experience that should leave you feeling just totally floored because I feel what's the Hemingway quote?
[380] Is it something like, I only envy the man who's not yet been to Africa?
[381] It's a landscape that's going to hit you deep.
[382] The Hummingway quote I always think of is I'll have four more drinks, please.
[383] I like that one.
[384] I usually save it for five o 'clock, but unless you're going to full Churchill.
[385] He didn't.
[386] Neither one of those guys did.
[387] Yeah, no, I can't agree more.
[388] I want to go there.
[389] I want to see.
[390] I want to experience.
[391] So maybe our paths will cross again, Alec.
[392] That would be really cool.
[393] Absolute pleasure talking to you, sir.
[394] I look forward to our burgeoning friendship.
[395] I did have one question for you, if you don't mind.
[396] Oh, sure.
[397] Aside from the obvious, what animal do you most identify with?
[398] The obvious.
[399] Wait a minute.
[400] What's the obvious?
[401] An ostrich.
[402] Okay.
[403] Fuck you, man. No, it's all, it's all legs, torso, tall.
[404] Okay, that's, I'm sorry, man. You stepped over a line.
[405] I'm sorry.
[406] That's so, oh my God.
[407] That's so, that's just what you did was just, I can't breathe.
[408] What you just did was wrong.
[409] I thought you were going to say leopard, speed, agility, grace.
[410] None of those things.
[411] You are none of those things.
[412] Um, all right.
[413] You know that.
[414] What animal do I associate with the most?
[415] what animal doesn't live that long and is pitied by the other animals?
[416] I'm trying to think.
[417] I honestly, I haven't thought about it.
[418] I don't think I have a spirit animal.
[419] There's not an animal.
[420] I don't know.
[421] Is there an animal in the animal kingdom that just overthinks things, spends too much time in its head?
[422] That's what I'd be.
[423] That's a good question.
[424] Is there one in Africa that like really just like, oh man, those toucans, they just sit around and regret everything.
[425] and overdo it.
[426] The honey badger is really, really insightful.
[427] That's an animal that spends a ton of, you can see it in their face.
[428] The gear is shifting and moving.
[429] When I last had some guests, we were having dinner at the lodge, and this honey badger came crashing out of the kitchen and ran through the middle of the restaurant with a big, I don't know, piece of meat or whatever in its mouth.
[430] That's me. That's you.
[431] I'm honey badger.
[432] Yeah.
[433] I like that.
[434] I'm a honey badger.
[435] That's my new, that should be my, logo now, Honey Badger.
[436] Honey Badger with like a sort of a red pompadour sitting on its head.
[437] Shifty expression.
[438] It's funny, actually.
[439] I have a friend who's been on your show when you guys used to bring animals on the show.
[440] Her name's Lynette.
[441] She lives out here in Sonoma.
[442] And she has a wildlife rescue ranch.
[443] So I guess shows down in LA when they need animals for TV.
[444] She often goes down for that.
[445] So she brought out a serval called Nandi for when you had David Mizajuski on.
[446] So she's got all these great photos with you.
[447] you.
[448] And she always says, of everybody she's worked with, you are the absolute nicest.
[449] She said, you're the only.
[450] Oh, that's nice.
[451] She said, you're the only one that ever would, like, ask in rehearsal, like, is it okay if I do this?
[452] Or is, you know, you were just, she said very kind with the animal's kind with her.
[453] And, yeah, she's just, she always says amazing things about you.
[454] Well, that's nice.
[455] But she, this accidentally turned into some kind of a revelation that I'm not a terrible guy after all.
[456] You know, you know what?
[457] They're going to cut this.
[458] They're going to cut this out.
[459] That's what's going to happen.
[460] We're going to cut it.
[461] Damn it.
[462] Yeah.
[463] Damn it.
[464] Well, that's nice.
[465] No one's ever going to hear.
[466] Please tell her I said hi.
[467] I will.
[468] And she's got a cockatoo, which is a bird from Australia that has this fun kind of yellow pompadour thing that pops up when they get excited.
[469] And every time I'm out at the ranch, we always joke that it's Conan because when they get super going, it's just this big pompadour.
[470] Mine becomes, I hate to say it, it's crass, but my hair becomes erect when I'm aroused.
[471] That's what the cockatoo does.
[472] Yeah, exactly.
[473] And it's been, it's many times it's saved me in dangerous situations.
[474] Okay, we're going to let that go.
[475] We should end this, probably at that point.
[476] Yeah, Alex, thank you so much for talking to us.
[477] You're an impressive guy and stay safe.
[478] And I hope our paths do cross one day.
[479] Me too.
[480] This was an absolute pleasure.
[481] Thank you both so much.
[482] Conan O 'Brien needs a fan.
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[487] Music by Jimmy Vivino.
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