Hour 1: HOW MANY CHICKEN WINGS?

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[14] This is the Dan Levatore show with the Stugats podcast.

[15] I read a story that produced more questions for me than answers, but I was interested in the story, and I suspect that you guys will be interested and have some of the same questions that I had.

[16] So this is a story that didn't answer any of the questions.

[17] It got me interested enough with the details to have a thousand more questions.

[18] about what it is that I was reading.

[19] An Illinois school district teacher, who is 68 years old, got nine years in prison because of what it is that she did between July of 2020 and February of 2022.

[20] Okay, so in less than two years, she stole 1 .5 million chicken wings.

[21] Nope.

[22] Not possible.

[23] Well, it's not possible to consume them in less than two years.

[24] I think it means saying not possible to steal them.

[25] How do you, 1 .5 million chicken wings.

[26] That means you're walking out with like a Santa Claus satchel of chicken wings every week.

[27] It was over time.

[28] It was, and it started with the pandemic and some of the fraud that started with the pandemic.

[29] Can we just state the obvious that nine years in prison for that is just absolutely insane?

[30] Right, bro.

[31] Free mom right now until it's backwards.

[32] She stole 11 ,000 cases of chicken wings, and now the questions begin.

[33] She had to be reselling them to local restaurants or something, right?

[34] You can't...

[35] Secondary market.

[36] It can't be the only thing you and your friends are eating.

[37] That doesn't seem...

[38] It doesn't seem possible in less than two years for a family to eat 1 .5 million chicken wings.

[39] Okay, so question, is there a fine for Dan for reading the Internet wrong?

[40] Yes.

[41] $17.

[42] Okay.

[43] Then it's $17 for you, Dan.

[44] because it's $1 .5 million worth of chicken wings, not $1 .5 million count of chicken wings.

[45] Okay, wait a minute.

[46] So if it's $1 .5 million per of chicken wings, it means it's more than $1 .5 million chicken wings.

[47] She stole a ton more than $1 .5 million, right?

[48] I don't think so, because it used to give a 20 -piece be like $30 from the store, and she must be the Avon Barsdale of chicken wings because she is moving them guys.

[49] Okay, so I'm sorry for reading that wrong.

[50] point five million dollars worth of chicken wings but that still seems and it still seems like too hard to eat logo did less than that for selling a senate seat like what nine years jesus allegedly wait no he was convicted how many more questions do you guys have about this story how do you get rid of one point five million dollars worth of chicken wings how long did henry rugs get is it even nine years exactly not nine years what are we doing now she's 68 by the way So nine years, that might be.

[51] This is like an average of $2 ,500 of chicken wings per day off the basic math.

[52] How is that possible?

[53] Per day stealing that many, I don't even understand what the execution would have been here.

[54] So in total, Liddell ordered more than 11 ,000 cases of wings from the school district's food provider, then picked up the order herself in a district cargo van.

[55] Legal papers filed as part of the case called a scheme, quote, massive fraud.

[56] We turn now to our fraud correspondent, Stugat.

[57] Oh, wow.

[58] He realized he was doing what there before he...

[59] You almost called Juju, our fraud.

[60] I was looking at Jujo.

[61] Are he dangerous, man?

[62] My bad, my bad, Juju.

[63] Stugats, what would you do with 11 ,000 cases of chicken wings that you stole over the span of about 18 months?

[64] I mean, the reason you steal something is to make money, so I would assume that she is selling them.

[65] she had another player involved here where she is buying these, well, she's stealing the boxes and then selling them out to someone else for a lot more money.

[66] That would be the reason.

[67] Otherwise, why would you do it?

[68] And also, you guys questioning whether or not she should get nine years in prison.

[69] That's $1 .5 million right there.

[70] I mean, I know it's not actual money, but it's worth of $1 .5 million.

[71] I mean, she stole $1 .5 million dollars?

[72] That's not that much.

[73] Nine years?

[74] I mean, if she stole $1 .5 million worth of chicken wings and you said she did it to make money.

[75] How much money did she make off of $1 .5 million?

[76] With the chicken wings, ladies and gentlemen, 11 ,000 cases of chicken wings for $1 .5 million.

[77] That means it's $733 per case.

[78] So $733 per case.

[79] Let's assume a very modest profit of $100 .00 bucks per cases is a modest profit, right?

[80] So $833 times $11 ,000, guys, she made.

[81] Oh, my God.

[82] Are you guys ready for any?

[83] for this, $9 .1 million.

[84] Nah, bro, not with that.

[85] Why would she still be working for the school?

[86] Because you would have to stay with the school.

[87] No, you have to stay with the school.

[88] You got to?

[89] Yeah, it's a giveaway.

[90] This is the best chicken crime I've seen since Gus Fring.

[91] I'm so confused about the logistics, but were they raw or were they cooked?

[92] Like, I don't know.

[93] I'm assuming that they're raw.

[94] I think they're raw.

[95] I don't think they're going to be cooked.

[96] Wait.

[97] But it is Chicago.

[98] go public schools, so I don't know if they're like cooking wings at the school, or maybe, wait, maybe was that even an option?

[99] Do they have wings at public school?

[100] I don't know.

[101] I never had wings at school, but I have been eating a lot of wings lately.

[102] I rediscovered in the last six months or so, wings are the best.

[103] They are a top...

[104] Yeah, they're good.

[105] I feel like I fall in and out of love with wings every couple years.

[106] I eat too many, and then I'm off wings, and then I have them for the first time, I'm like, holy shit.

[107] Wings are great and then I eat too many again and then I'm off again.

[108] The only thing that gets me off wings is when I have bad wings.

[109] Then I get gun -shy.

[110] I'm like, oh, I don't know.

[111] Should I order wings from this place?

[112] What if they mess it up?

[113] I don't know.

[114] But then you find that good wing place or that good wing order that comes out.

[115] The sauce is perfect.

[116] It's nice and crispy, the juicy on the inside.

[117] And you're like, I can't get enough.

[118] Your mouth is water.

[119] I'm picking barbecue sauce out of my cuticles for two weeks after.

[120] And you don't feel like you're eating terrible.

[121] You're like this is meat.

[122] It's chicken.

[123] It was fried.

[124] Who cares?

[125] We're going to forget that part.

[126] But a lot of times it's not fried.

[127] Sometimes there's smoked.

[128] Smoked wings?

[129] Grilled wings?

[130] Lemon pepper?

[131] Did you have chicken wings the night that you ate in that big group that infuriated you?

[132] No. Chicken wings, for me, that's a bar food.

[133] I want to eat that out of flanigans or at like a kudas.

[134] But I have realized recently that every time I go out to dinner in a group at a restaurant and the waiter brings the food and people just kind of.

[135] freeze because they don't know what they don't remember what they ordered and the waiter's like who got the fillet or whatever that pisses me off so much remember your order it's so good why are you not paying attention pay attention and then there's always one person that's got it all covered they ordered that yep that's me I'm the pointer yeah the oh the chicken pasta yeah that's that per it's like you're paying more why are all these people not paying attention who just here freezes like the waiter comes and everyone freezes they're like oh what's for me I don't want to be too pushy and be like oh that one's mine I'm the pushing one I'm like you got the salmon, you got the steak, this is the risotto, pay attention people.

[136] It's not that they don't pay attention Jessica, you just hit on it.

[137] It's people don't want to seem to be like the eager, hungry brus, there's mine, blah, blah, blah.

[138] They don't want to seem like that, so they're like, I don't know, did someone else have?

[139] Oh, I guess.

[140] They're just standing there holding like 17 plates.

[141] Like, come on.

[142] That happened to me in Tampa when I was with Mike and his friends watching Panthers Lightning.

[143] We were at a restaurant, we ordered a bunch of wings.

[144] I ordered mine well done, but apparently it came, and the wings came out and I was like, oh, medium garlic, those are mine.

[145] apparently those were Cowboy Carl's mine hadn't come out yet they came out five minutes later and they were like here's the well done medium garlic and I was like four wings in just like and then Cowboy Carl now has to eat well done wings oh he's got to eat four well done ring no you guys just kept the whole no he just kept the whole wait well done wings you don't do that oh I love well done yeah chicken wings all done yeah oh I never heard of that I like my medium rare little salmonella I'm a wings newbie I don't what teach me more teach me more of the It depends on the place.

[146] If a place has bigger wings, I like them well done.

[147] Because I don't like when you bite into the wing and you see like the pinkish.

[148] That's how you know it's.

[149] Like the tendons.

[150] Yeah.

[151] Yeah, I don't like that.

[152] I like mine crispy.

[153] I like my wings crispy.

[154] No, no, no. Well, when, mean, said, bad wings, I was about to say there is no such thing, but I would have been wrong.

[155] Because when you have some of that extra that you don't need in the wings, some inefficiency of this is, this is not all chewable.

[156] knuckles, chewable meat.

[157] Those, I have eaten, but undercooked wings, what I would rather err on overcooked than what Amin is saying.

[158] I have not heard a lot of people say that their favorite kind of wing is with a little bit of salmonilla, like a little bit of raw chicken wrist.

[159] It's an odd thing to want.

[160] That's how they serve them at the sizzler.

[161] I don't like when it's like it's tough because it's been cooked so much.

[162] I'm fighting.

[163] Shout out to John Tapper.

[164] Look how hard he's pulling just to get some wings out like you don't want that hard pull you want that to kind of flesh fall off the bone yeah you don't really get that with fried wings though do you no like that's a baked wing you're talking about fall off the bone right once you fry it you've hardened it some well depends do you guys eat the knuckles though we're split back here jess eats the knuckles i'm not leaving meat on the bone period only in a sandwich what's your favorite flavor of wings guys around the honey barbecue who i like i like mine hot with lemon pepper Lemon pepper.

[165] I like a spicy buffalo.

[166] Medium garlic kind of guy.

[167] I can't believe we skip pass only in a sandwich.

[168] That was so good.

[169] You eat the knuckles only in a sandwich.

[170] Knuckle sandwich.

[171] I thought first, I was like, oh, you put those in a sandwich.

[172] I didn't, that just went way over my head.

[173] Clearly a cover -up though from the government and mom in these wings.

[174] Something that's afoot.

[175] This is a story before the story.

[176] I don't believe the story yet.

[177] Let me see the next one.

[178] I thought you were actually referring to Ray Gunn.

[179] Me too.

[180] Raygun stole the wings.

[181] allegedly.

[182] I mean, $1 .5 million in the grand scheme of things, Stugat's like corporations steal quadruple a thousand times that in a year.

[183] They never go to jail.

[184] But this woman, oh, 1 .5 million dollars in chicken and, oh, we're putting her in jail for a decade when she's 70 years old.

[185] That's absurd.

[186] She works for her school.

[187] She shouldn't have done it.

[188] I agree.

[189] How about the kids?

[190] Don't steal.

[191] Don't commit fraud, but nine years.

[192] Come on.

[193] Guys, kids need their wings.

[194] I mean.

[195] Guys, I decided 100 bucks a profit per case was too much.

[196] I dropped it down to 50 bucks.

[197] case by your profit.

[198] $8 .6 million.

[199] Do we know if she resold the wings?

[200] I was not able to find them.

[201] Why would you steal them?

[202] She could have healed the hood.

[203] She could have been eating them or making them for people.

[204] That changes the story completely.

[205] If I'm her lawyer, I'm like, my sister was feeding the entire west out of Chicago out of her trunk.

[206] She gave them all away.

[207] He gave them all away.

[208] Jess, you're seeing why it is that I had more questions than the answers with this story.

[209] I'm not going to lie.

[210] It was a, you surprised us with this one.

[211] I did not hear this story.

[212] Well, you surprised me with this one because you've got Stugat in a position where he's the one being tough on crime.

[213] He's the one.

[214] He's the one shaking.

[215] I would steal the wings.

[216] Shaking a fist and wanting to be maximum prosecutor guy.

[217] Throwing, throwing this one, bury her under the jail.

[218] Just to close the loop, I don't, I don't mind being the eager person.

[219] at the table, helping the server make sure that they distribute the food and the entrees to the right places.

[220] I think it's worse to be the timid person who's just standing there, like, frozen while they're carrying a thousand plates and doesn't know, like, oh, what did I order again?

[221] I don't know.

[222] How about the server do their jobs?

[223] They should know.

[224] I'm helping them do their jobs.

[225] But why are we trying to figure it out?

[226] Well, not every restaurant has.

[227] I can't stand the server who says, listen, I got your order.

[228] Don't worry about it.

[229] I've committed it to memory.

[230] And then comes back and asks everyone what they order.

[231] I know like do your job write it down guys I did the math wrong I'm there to eat I I you know what you know what you know what I figured that this was all happening as it was happening 11 ,000 times whatever I know but no that look look I let it go three or four times I was a big thank you major penalty five minutes ruining comedy you're gonna do it okay great two gods to the rescue glad we've got a mathematician on the piece.

[232] The idea that Amin opened the bidding with, you know what I think is a good idea?

[233] To stop everyone so they can listen to me, count in my head as I do math.

[234] That that would be his starting point and that he would do it incorrectly.

[235] We will find out how erroneous all his math is in a second when Stugats gets to the bottom of the facts here.

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[248] Don Lebertard.

[249] Get someone's a conservative entity?

[250] Whoa!

[251] No!

[252] Oh, see, this is why...

[253] Stugats.

[254] Hers was better than mine.

[255] In the fifth sagaki.

[256] How is the fifth sagaki better than the third and the fourth sagaki already?

[257] This is the Dan Levitar show with the Stugats.

[258] Something that I don't think was covered very much during the Olympics, but I saw it everywhere, and I want to get your guys' thoughts on this, because it can be argued that Jimmy Fallon has ruined the Tonight Show's legacy.

[259] And a whole lot of people were angry at how much Jimmy Fallon was being thrown down their throats during the Olympics because Peacock was presenting and they've got a vested interest in getting third place back into first or second place.

[260] I do not find Jimmy Fallon in any way objectionable.

[261] I find him benign.

[262] I find him, you know, talented enough.

[263] He can't quite keep up with what some of the other folks have done during the history of late night, but I don't, I'm not bothered by him in any way.

[264] And in fact, it can be argued that what the position is if you're protecting the legacy of the Tonight Show.

[265] is be benign, be someone that everyone can stomach.

[266] Jay Leno, a lot of other comedians are mad at Jay Leno because they thought he was an edgier comedian than the one he presented on television when he had to be palatable to all of America and made the choice that would fill his airplane hangers with cars.

[267] But I always enjoyed Jay Leno.

[268] The Tonight Show version of Jay Leno was not the edgiest version.

[269] Jimmy Fallon is on as the lead of the Tonight Show.

[270] at least in part, because he's not supposed to bother people.

[271] Why does he bother so many people?

[272] Because it's all fluff.

[273] I mean, that's it.

[274] There are no opinions.

[275] He doesn't do anything.

[276] It's all, this is my friend.

[277] We're going to play a game.

[278] Get in, get out, see you later.

[279] It's like he's not trying.

[280] Honestly, Colbert gives opinions and does the fluff.

[281] Kimmel does the, you know, gives opinions and does the fluff.

[282] But, Stugan, I am telling you, Jimmy Fallon, the entire show is, this is my friend.

[283] We're going to play a game that involves music, and then we're done.

[284] But my point to you, though, Stugats, is that generally speaking before now, opinions are the things that polarize people.

[285] If the job is to be benign, how is Jimmy Fallon failing at being benign?

[286] Or has the culture around him changed so much that now what you expect from comedy is you need to get closer to the edge?

[287] Because that would represent a different televised experience than the one that all my life has been the one that works in late.

[288] knife in that slot.

[289] The tonight show has always been a gentle show that America can feel comfortable watching late at night without anyone getting too offended by anything.

[290] What he inherited, he's done that job.

[291] He's not the one who changed.

[292] We change the viewer and what the viewer wants change because he's doing what he's supposed to.

[293] He's been hired to be someone that middle America's not going to object to because of his opinions.

[294] But he should change with the Times.

[295] If that's what the audience wants, if they no longer want what Jimmy is providing, Jimmy needs to change.

[296] It's like journalism, Dan.

[297] You realize pretty early that, hey, people are going to stop reading newspapers eventually.

[298] And you were right.

[299] And you transition.

[300] You did what you had to do.

[301] You transition your career out of newspapers and into radio and into podcasting.

[302] And Jimmy is unwilling to change.

[303] He's still trotting out the same show he was doing five years ago.

[304] I think that's kind of about skill set though, right?

[305] Because he was hired to start on the Tonight Show in February of 2014.

[306] So it was right before everything really started ramping up politically in America to where we cared to turn to our late night hosts as beacons of journalism in any sort of way, as opposed to just looking at things like the Daily Show where they were doing that on purpose.

[307] Stephen Colbert comes in at that right time to be someone who can do that commentary because he came from the Colbert Report.

[308] So now you're in a situation with Jimmy where he was hired right before that all starts.

[309] And a lot of the things that people loved when he was on late night with Jimmy Fallon just carried over to Night Show.

[310] It was anticipated.

[311] But then people started, and this is more of a young viewership thing, but his sort of jovial, this kind of fake laugh, feels like a laugh track in a way that some of these other hosts don't have one.

[312] And I think that that kind of bothers the TV viewer who doesn't really like shows with laugh tracks anymore.

[313] It just feels jovial in that way.

[314] But he's still one of the five people in America who can do that job at that level.

[315] I sometimes think we're maybe a little too harsh on the content part.

[316] There's obviously been other sides of Jimmy Fallon and the behind the scene stuff that have evolved.

[317] But in terms of being able to do the job, like he's still doing it at a very high level.

[318] But he's not one of five people who can do it.

[319] There are plenty of people who can do it.

[320] But he is doing it, is more the point.

[321] You guys are talking about, like, oh, the political climate is changing what we demand of our hosts to be more polarizing, whatever.

[322] But I'm like, is Conan O 'Brien like that?

[323] Is Jimmy Kimmel like that?

[324] Like, was Gordon like that?

[325] I don't feel like any of those guys.

[326] Kimmel does, though.

[327] Kimmel does it now.

[328] He dips his toes, but I don't feel like he's, I think he's just the same.

[329] What you're talking about, cuddly and makes Middle America feel warm and fuzzy.

[330] I think Kimmel does that.

[331] Part of why Corden struggled, though, toward the end is because he was not doing some of those things.

[332] People felt the same way about Corden as they do about Fallon, and Kimmel has at least gone that direction going after Trump and things like that.

[333] I do think the politics have coarsened so much that the tonight show I'm talking about of Johnny Carson, you might make a politics joke, but it's the most harmless of presidential jokes that doesn't even mean anything.

[334] It's just a silly thing.

[335] Can't we laugh about this?

[336] different time in America.

[337] Now, Jimmy Kimmel does get involved aggressively.

[338] Colbert obviously does a lot of that.

[339] The thing that I wanted to ask you guys, though, because Norm McDonald brought this up one time, Norm McDonald, I've told you before, I really admire what it is that he did.

[340] And one of the things that he said about Bill Maher and others, Chappelle, do you want to be a funny guy?

[341] Or do you want to be a smart guy?

[342] Like, which is it that you're trying to be?

[343] Norm McDonald wanted them separated.

[344] And Joe Rogan's not doing comedy most successfully at the highest levels, even though he does do some stand -up.

[345] That's not what he is successful for.

[346] He took a different path that has a different lane, Bill Maher, John Oliver, John Stewart.

[347] They can all do stand -up.

[348] up comedy, but Norm McDonald is asking you which one is it that you want to be?

[349] That job, the Tonight Show, I think requires both a mean, and while I would say...

[350] It does now.

[351] It does now.

[352] And I think that Jimmy Fallon is fun to watch, but it's cotton candy.

[353] Can we also point out that he's probably the least funny?

[354] If it is just being funny and not necessarily smart.

[355] Subjective.

[356] He's not funny.

[357] but I don't think he's as funny as the guys were putting him up against.

[358] Like what you said about Jay Leno is true.

[359] People were frustrated because they knew, yo, Jay, you're a funny dude.

[360] Why are you dumbing yourself down like this?

[361] I don't think Jimmy Fallon's dumbing himself down.

[362] I think this is who he's always been.

[363] Like since he was on SNL.

[364] Like, again, subjective like Ju -Ju said, I just don't think he's that funny of a guy.

[365] Now, they've had some fun kind of conceits that they've done on that show.

[366] Like when they, you know, do the karaoke.

[367] I wear my tight pants.

[368] He does videos like that.

[369] But it's just like I think part of it is I don't think he's talented enough to raise the stakes even on the comedy side in order to avoid the political side.

[370] Like have you never seen fever pitch the movie with Drew Barrymore?

[371] Come on, brother.

[372] I love that movie.

[373] I haven't.

[374] Should I watch it?

[375] No. Oh, it's so good.

[376] But just in terms of talent, I mean, he can do impressions.

[377] He can sing.

[378] Like, Jimmy Fallon is undoubtedly talented.

[379] That's all he does, though.

[380] Right.

[381] I mean, that's the point.

[382] All he does is impressions and sings and, like, that's pretty impressive.

[383] He sings well for, I guess, a comedian.

[384] He's not Jamie Fox.

[385] Right?

[386] Jamie Fox sings and is a comedian.

[387] Agreed.

[388] It's funny or answering.

[389] I mean, come on.

[390] Yes, exactly.

[391] He's no Taylor.

[392] But, like, the impressions, what, like, how many?

[393] That's a good sign felt.

[394] What are you talking about?

[395] Do you guys watch late night?

[396] Like, I just, they've become less and less of a thing as cable has become less and less of a thing.

[397] And now everyone streams the content that they like.

[398] And I think it probably coincides with him being hired, not him specifically, but it happened around the same time.

[399] And also, he's got a bad reputation from everything I've read about it.

[400] The bad reputation stuff is recent as far as it's coming out, being public.

[401] So I don't want to go there because I think his demise has been happening for a while.

[402] But again, I go back to people consuming by clips, right?

[403] Most people probably are like, yeah, he's fine.

[404] Right, yeah.

[405] That's all he has to be.

[406] That's what I think of him.

[407] He's cool.

[408] Yeah.

[409] I'm going to tell you one thing.

[410] He was celebrating for that gold medal game.

[411] People were like, yo, did you play?

[412] Get off my screen.

[413] Stop, hey.

[414] No, I'm going to hit.

[415] He didn't say anything.

[416] Carmelo and his son, Steph Marbury.

[417] You know why they get to do that?

[418] Why?

[419] Because they are involved.

[420] They know these people.

[421] this dude coming in here he just ran out there like oh i'm cool too no you not man we know these people you don't know them he knows them they don't been all on his show and he'll interview one by one and had dinner with the fam man we done interviewed who here do you think they know us yes he was taking selfies with emmanuel macron i mean how many american celebrities are doing that 11000 cases of wings 1 .5 million dollars okay that is 136 dollars and 36 cents per box okay Okay, per case.

[422] If you upped it, okay, just $63, okay?

[423] Just $63.

[424] Well, no, it's $700 ,000.

[425] Yeah, I did all the math.

[426] I did, yeah.

[427] I hear the drums echo wing tonight, which she hears the whispers of some quiet conversation.

[428] Remix.

[429] She's coming in 1230 flight.

[430] Yeah, he's terrible.

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[449] The elephant went into a 7 -Eleven and bought a pack of cigarettes.

[450] But my question to Ron is this.

[451] Stugats.

[452] That joke didn't really land the way you wanted it to.

[453] Did we all?

[454] And we all just stared at you.

[455] This is the Don Lebertar show with a Stugats.

[456] Our friend Ron McGill has returned here on a Wednesday.

[457] I don't know.

[458] I'm disoriented.

[459] Why were you not here on a Tuesday.

[460] What happened?

[461] Were you busy filming some sort of giraffe surgery or some sort of emergency?

[462] What happened?

[463] Why weren't you here yesterday?

[464] You had people much more important than me that could only do yesterday, so on the movable nut, so to speak.

[465] Oh, my God.

[466] So we bumped you.

[467] It wasn't your fault and I came out here accusatory just because Charles Barkley knocked you off the guest list.

[468] That is not right to Ron McGill.

[469] There is no one.

[470] In the history of this program, I would argue, that is more important as a guest than Ron McGill.

[471] I don't know what happened there.

[472] That's not a decision.

[473] You got your very kind in saying that, but that's not true at all.

[474] Charles Barkley trumps Ron McGill on any platform, any day, anywhere.

[475] Except that was Monday, so I don't know.

[476] Ron, I saw that you were in Eater, Miami giving your best food places in Miami.

[477] I'm getting slammed for a couple of those, but they listen.

[478] I love them.

[479] Okay, so you had best takeout option hole in the wall, best burger, fudruckers.

[480] But then I came across best pizza and you said Costco.

[481] Is Costco pizza a thing?

[482] I've only ever heard of the Costco hot dog and the rotisserie chicken.

[483] Jessa, you haven't tried the Costco pizza?

[484] It's the bomb.

[485] It's one of the biggest pizzas.

[486] First of all, it's huge, okay?

[487] It's just over $10 for this huge pizza that is twice as big as what you get at any of these pizza shops and half the price.

[488] And it's fantastic.

[489] I guess it's one of the greatest secrets ever unless you've had it.

[490] Is there like a local pizza option that you?

[491] this is Eater Miami.

[492] Like, the best we can do in Miami is Costco.

[493] Well, I like, I like Mama Mia's pizza.

[494] Mama Mia makes a good pizza.

[495] You know, it's a local option.

[496] But, you know, again, for the price, listen, I work at a zoo, you know.

[497] I don't, I try to be as frugal as I can.

[498] So the Costco pizza at 1075, brother, that's the bomb on a bag of chips.

[499] That piece that can last me five days.

[500] All right.

[501] I'm sold.

[502] Are you a chicken wing guy at all?

[503] I am a chicken wing guy.

[504] What's your favorite kind of wing?

[505] I like baked wings I don't like really spicy wings I like a good sauce with them you know even a good ranch dressing I'm kind of simple that way but I like it to be baked and crispy and hole in a wall does a good job with those too I was going to ask what your favorite wing was in Miami but I guess you just gave us the answer and cake south cake south also does a really good job with wings this interview with Ron is presented by LinkedIn Jobs put it on the poll please at Levitard show is Costco pizza the bomb if you're on a budget, and also put on the poll, chicken wings.

[506] I want chicken wings, the most delightful of appetizers, yes or no. Can you tell me, Ron, if you think Sugatz earlier this week said that they're not even close, a burger and a sloppy Joe.

[507] And I really can't think of anything closer to a burger except maybe a slider than a sloppy Joe.

[508] So do you believe that a burger and a Sloppy Joe belong in the same breath?

[509] No, I don't.

[510] I have to agree with Sue got on that one.

[511] Slopi Joe is just a bunch of whole saucy, messy meat.

[512] A burger you bite into, you get the juicy.

[513] It's not just a bunch of sloppy sauce with a bunch of ripped off meat from something else.

[514] It's totally different.

[515] The only thing common is they have two pieces of bread.

[516] Yeah, but it's a hamburger bun.

[517] It's a hamburger bun, but how many things can you put on a hamburger bun?

[518] You can put a turkey sandwich on a hamburger bun.

[519] You can put an egg salad sandwich on a hamburger bun.

[520] You put anything in a hamburger bites.

[521] It doesn't give me any credibility.

[522] But it's meat in between hamburger bunt.

[523] Yeah, but it's ground meat.

[524] So is turkey, so is chicken.

[525] So as everything else meat between hamburger buns.

[526] You tell me. So is ground beef, is it not?

[527] It's beef, yes.

[528] Yeah, but it's ground beef, yeah.

[529] So is a burger.

[530] No, it's just a patty.

[531] But it's just a pound his ass.

[532] We'll have to continue this debate.

[533] I will have to agree to disagree.

[534] What?

[535] I have an actual animal question for Ron, other than these weird food questions you guys are coming with.

[536] Ron, my cousin told me that dolphins will often use pufferfish to get high, and they'll pass it along.

[537] And he also told me making dolphins the only other animal besides humans that get high recreationally.

[538] Is this true?

[539] I have heard that same comment about using pufferfish to basically in just an enlightening drug, so to speak.

[540] I will say that they're not the only animals that get high.

[541] I know certain primates that will chew on certain leaves, eat certain horticultural products that will elevate their happiness, so to speak.

[542] So, you know, it depends on the meaning of getting high.

[543] Are they rolling up a dubie and smoking it?

[544] No, but they are getting the elements in other ways.

[545] They're grabbing a puffer fish and sucking on it, apparently.

[546] There you go.

[547] Are dolphins the only animal that tries to have sex with humans?

[548] No. Haven't you ever had a dog hump your leg?

[549] Yep.

[550] My bad.

[551] I feel like a real fool.

[552] I feel like a real idiot.

[553] That's sloppy jokes.

[554] I mean.

[555] Okay, follow up, though.

[556] When your dog's humping your leg, are they trying to have sex with you?

[557] Are they trying to get you to play with them?

[558] Because I have always been told that it's like, because my female dog will hump my leg and I don't think she's trying to have sex with me. What's the difference?

[559] That's a dominance thing, but it also can be pleasurable for the animal.

[560] it's almost a form of masturbation so to speak you never you never wanted to look at willow that right got her ass willow let's look at this video together here with Ron McGill walk walk us through these tactics to fend off a bear because we've got in Tahoe we've got a beer a bear and a beach cooler you tell me what's happening here Ron and how it is that we avoid situations like this?

[561] Well, you've got to make sure your beach cooler is closed, first of all.

[562] And that's not a way to do it.

[563] Get away a bear.

[564] Somebody.

[565] Well, it worked.

[566] Somebody threw a chair.

[567] This is not smart, though.

[568] Okay, that bear can turn around and do something.

[569] Let the bear do his thing and get away.

[570] Do not try to do something like that because that bear comes at him.

[571] That rake is going to do nothing to save him.

[572] That rake is going to do nothing to save him.

[573] So don't be stupid.

[574] If the bear is at the food, let him have the food and wait till he goes away.

[575] What an idiot this guy is.

[576] He's really playing with fire.

[577] He's an idiot.

[578] Oh, it worked, it seems like.

[579] No, you know what?

[580] It worked that time, but maybe not another time.

[581] And you want to take that chance?

[582] That's stupid.

[583] That's just stupidity.

[584] Let them have the freaking whatever you got in the damn cooler.

[585] And don't make the same mistake twice.

[586] Make sure your coolers and everything are locked and closed.

[587] Like, what's he saving there?

[588] Like, oh, have three more Miller lights.

[589] I have three more Miller lights in there.

[590] What's he saving there?

[591] Some wings.

[592] Ron, has working with animals given you more faith in nature and less faith in humanity?

[593] Absolutely.

[594] I learn something from animals almost every day that I wish other animals, the other humans could learn.

[595] I want to show you another video here.

[596] It's a woman surrounded by orcas.

[597] It's a boat in New Zealand.

[598] She seems pretty anxious.

[599] Let's see what, how is someone supposed to remain calm in this situation?

[600] My wife wants to do whale watching things.

[601] I don't like to be at a different place on the food shop.

[602] chain than I presently am, and when I'm in the ocean, I am not at the top of the food chain anymore.

[603] So I ask you this video that we're showing you, can you tell me how one remains or supposed to remain calm in this situation?

[604] You know, that's a fine line between pure excitement and pure fear.

[605] I'm going to be honest with you.

[606] I think I told you the story that I was in the Galapagos Islands once, and while swimming, snorkeling, photographing seat turtles, I had an orker swim right over me. Stop for a moment, look at me and keep on swimming.

[607] It was very one of those moments that was so exhilarating, and yet, I'm not going to lie to you, that my heart started racing.

[608] But you know that saying that I love to say is that life isn't measured by the number of times, the number of breaths that you take.

[609] It's measured by the number of times your breath is taken away.

[610] This woman, or whoever this was in this, this board, will never forget this moment.

[611] And it also reflects it as indicative that these animals are not malicious monsters, okay?

[612] It's a pretty great moment.

[613] You know, it could have gone south.

[614] I'm not going to lie to you.

[615] You never know.

[616] But that was an incredible moment, and maybe those orcas knew she had a camera and say, you know what, maybe she can show the world that were not these monsters that many times were painted to be.

[617] I mean, you're talking out of both sides of your mouth now.

[618] The bear was like, that thing could kill you.

[619] And these orkers, it's like, see.

[620] No, no, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

[621] Now, what he's doing is playing the results.

[622] Run.

[623] Those orcas next time, just like next time the bear would kill him, next time those orcas could just kill that lady.

[624] But listen, but Chris, look at the situation, Chris.

[625] She's on a board in the middle of the ocean.

[626] What are her options?

[627] Don't do that as a hobby No, that's not true.

[628] That's not true.

[629] Come on, you know, you have a bad car accident and you never drive again?

[630] You have a bad car accident and you never drive again?

[631] Come on, Chris.

[632] We have to get in the car to go to work.

[633] You get eaten by orchards, you never go in the water again?

[634] Come on.

[635] Do we know if it's...

[636] You're eating by orchards, you're never going to go into water again because you're done.

[637] But the bottom line is this, guys.

[638] These animals are not these malicious monsters.

[639] We tend to sensationalize these things.

[640] You know, the term killer whale is probably a bad connotation in many ways.

[641] They're very smart cetations.

[642] We've heard these instances.

[643] now with these certain pods are going after some boats out in Portugal.

[644] Hey, you never know what spurred them on.

[645] You know, just like with people, there are some bad apples in every group.

[646] Braun, I have to drive.

[647] I don't need to be near Orcas.

[648] Orcas.

[649] If it's something you love, what was that near Orcas?

[650] I got it, Chris.

[651] And being close to those animals that's exhilarating, you know, listen, again, I don't want to be in front of a television with a remote control feeling self, just feeling, you know, safe, just going through a bunch of boring shows.

[652] I want to go out there and live life and experience those things that make my heart Pete faster.

[653] Ron, I just recently bought a new kitten and we're slowly introducing our kitten to our cat.

[654] And I was wondering if at the zoo you have to do the same sort of thing with lions or tigers because bears become a meat and green territorial.

[655] Yeah, where, you know, we're keeping the kitten basically in a separate room for the minute.

[656] And then we're going to put a little screen up so that they can kind of sniff each other.

[657] But they can't be near each other until, I guess, a week or so in, it sort of depends on.

[658] on how they're feeling.

[659] Listen, absolutely, we do that with the animals here at the zoo.

[660] And many times it takes not just a week.

[661] It can take months sometimes to make those introductions.

[662] You know, the people have these misconceptions.

[663] Oh, heck, it's a male and female.

[664] Put them together.

[665] They'll do what comes naturally.

[666] Couldn't be further from the truth.

[667] Many times they'll try to kill each other.

[668] Just like humans.

[669] Just like with people, you know, they generally have to kind of like each other and get along to be able to be paired together.

[670] So yes, whenever we have a new animal, it goes through a quarantine period, and then it goes to a very subtle introduction period, where we, for instance, with our birds, birds are the worst.

[671] Pound for pound, birds are the most aggressive vertebrates on the planet.

[672] So when we go into our big aviary, for instance, we'll put a bird in a smaller introduction cage, and it's able to be seen by the other birds, it's able to see the other birds, the keepers that can watch the reaction with the other birds, whether they're being aggressive through the cage or not, and then they can decide, using their judgment and experience, when is the best time to release that bird into the aviary?

[673] How many whales, Ron, would be a threat as killers to humans.

[674] One.

[675] So that's the only one.

[676] And how often do orcas actually kill human beings?

[677] How rare is that and how afraid?

[678] I know you tell us that the animals are usually more afraid of us than we are of them.

[679] But I had not considered actually and this is my fault.

[680] I had not considered the orca as a killer whale any more dangerous than any other whale to humans.

[681] I didn't think whales were dangerous to humans.

[682] Well, well, you know, orcas are are carnivores, their cetaceans, unlike the big whales, the pelagic whales, the humpbacks, things like that, which tend to feed on plankton.

[683] They're not feeding on things like the killer whales, which feed on seals and sea lions.

[684] So theoretically, a person could be prey, but I personally don't know of any attack by a killer whale that's killed a human being.

[685] I don't know of any.

[686] There may be some, but I don't know in the back of my mind of any.

[687] I saw an animal this week I had never seen before.

[688] I'd be curious if the room has ever seen this.

[689] I am about to show you a monkey that looks like an old man. You guys tell me. Oh, it's Jimmy Durrani monkey.

[690] I bet you's Jimmy Durante monkey.

[691] Yeah, what, okay, I should have said that.

[692] That would have been funnier.

[693] There you go.

[694] I'm about to show you a monkey that looks like Jimmy Durante.

[695] Can you guys put up a photo at some point of Jimmy Durante so that people can see this monkey that looks like Jimmy Durante?

[696] That's one of the bigger noses you will find in the animal kingdom.

[697] That nose seems to be almost, yeah, I think longer than his entire face.

[698] What the hell is that, Ron?

[699] That's a proboscis monkey.

[700] I actually was able to photograph those things in Borneo.

[701] The males are the ones that develop those big noses.

[702] Those big noses are a bit of a sexual attraction to the females.

[703] The bigger nose usually gets the more females.

[704] They're a spectacular primate out of Borneo, out of Indonesia, those areas.

[705] And like I said, it's the males that get the big noses.

[706] The females actually have a little cute nose.

[707] He also looks like Mel Brooks, by the way, but continue.

[708] Jewish, yeah.

[709] Well, I...

[710] All right.

[711] Thank you, Ron.

[712] good talking to you.

[713] Go ahead and put you...

[714] Yes.

[715] Yes.

[716] Oh, I'm sorry.

[717] Yes.

[718] I wanted to let the listeners know that, listen, if you want to take an amazing trip, I'm going to announce this trip.

[719] I'm going to lead a trip to the Galapagos Islands, December 12th to the 20th, right before Christmas.

[720] It's going to be an incredible trip.

[721] Only 12 people.

[722] I'm taking.

[723] Go to the zoo.

[724] Go to the zoo's website.

[725] It'll tell you how to direct to that trip.

[726] I'm going to lead this trip.

[727] I've been the Galapica several times.

[728] It is the trip of a lifetime.

[729] If you've never been there, what a great holiday treat for you.

[730] Book that trip, man. Do you want to give them the website?

[731] website information in the event that they don't end up in the right place for whatever reason?

[732] Sure.

[733] Go to zoomiami .org and it'll navigate through there.

[734] I don't know exactly how to navigate, but it'll tell you the Galapagos trip.

[735] It's like $8 ,200 per person.

[736] Oh, go under travel program, under support travel program under the Zoom Miami .org.

[737] But it's like I said, it's $8 ,200 per person.

[738] It's going to be eight days in two in Kito and six on the Galapagas Island.

[739] Oh, you already got it up there.

[740] Look at that.

[741] You guys are amazing.

[742] But I'm going to tell you, this trip is going to be incredible.

[743] I've been there several times.

[744] This is the best itinerary I've ever put together right before the holidays.

[745] You're back before Christmas.

[746] And it's just 12 people limited to that I'm going to be leading on this trip.

[747] Incredible trip.

[748] Book it if you want it, maybe.

[749] Durante was Italian man referred to his nose as the schnazola.

[750] All right, very good.

[751] Thank you, Ron.

[752] Good information there, Jeremy.

[753] I appreciate it.

[754] Thanks, guys.

[755] Have a good one.

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